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1. Welcome!
   Welcome to the BoundaryPoint! Hope to see some good discussions about our common obsession! Bill Hanrahan
   Jun 07, 2000 @ 11:41 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
2. Nice Work
   Thanks for starting this forum. I think it will be a good one. I noticed that the address for the Corner Corner is incorrect. It shows my email address
   Jun 07, 2000 @ 12:23 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
3. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Nice Work
   Sounds good Brian. Sorry about the incorrect URL...I ll correct that right away. Bill ... From: bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com [mailto:bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com]
   Jun 07, 2000 @ 13:25 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
4. testing
   hi all just wanted to test & toast the new facility & to be present for day 1 the image posted at http://www.angelfire.com/md2/polystate3/mickey.jpg has been
   Jun 08, 2000 @ 03:34 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
5. RE: [BoundaryPoint] testing
   Mike, thanks for that one...I ll be on the lookout for more of them in the Kissimmee area! Bill ... From: michael donner [mailto:m@discovernet.net] Sent:
   Jun 08, 2000 @ 12:22 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
6. "Boundaries of the United States and the Several States" - USGS
   For those new to pointing and bounding , the following is an excellent resource which was originally referred to me by Mike Donner: Boundaries of the United
   Jun 08, 2000 @ 12:45 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
7. More on the boundary "bible"
   More info on the boundary bible as passed along from Mike Donner (thanks as usual, Michael!): ...I just learned the bible is momentarily out of print. The
   Jun 08, 2000 @ 17:25 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
8. Looking for UK boundary info...
   Does anyone have any information sources (monographs, books, photos, maps) of UK boundary demarcation on the national level (i.e., England/Scotland/Wales and
   Jun 08, 2000 @ 17:27 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
9. New links
   Please check out the new links in the, well, Links section. Please feel free to add your own, especially links to boundary corner sites.
   Jun 08, 2000 @ 20:58 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
10. list of multinational points
    hail new members & we would love to hear from you all for a list of the world class or multinational points i have been trying to make for several years
    Jun 09, 2000 @ 18:47 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
11. Re: list of multinational points
    OK, I ve got to ask...what is bcwazazi ? (I m assuming that it s a new Canada/US quadpoint as a result of the new territries, but I can t make it fit. I m
    Jun 10, 2000 @ 14:35 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
12. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: list of multinational points
    hahahaha already a funhouse mirror owing mainly to my terrible shorthand but let me explain first in order to simplify & codify the names of the multipoints
    Jun 10, 2000 @ 16:29 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
13. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: list of multinational points
    Re: the new Canadian territories...I remember Nunavit but for some reason, couldn t come up with it at the time...just a sign of old age. (I actually
    Jun 10, 2000 @ 16:44 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
14. Re: list of multinational points
    Just as an aside, I note that http://www.state.gov/www/regions/independent_states.html list Canada as having no long-form name . Whatever happened to the
    Jun 10, 2000 @ 16:49 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
15. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: list of multinational points
    The website www.nunavut.com is an excellent resource for information about Nunavut, the newest Canadian territory. The actual
    Jun 10, 2000 @ 17:22 - Tom Edwards (GEOGRAPHER) ("Tom Edwards (GEOGRAPHER)" <tomedw@...>)
16. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: list of multinational points
    What is the source of supposed standard 2-letter codes for countries? David
    Jun 10, 2000 @ 19:37 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
17. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: list of multinational points
    The 2-letter country codes that appear on the State Dept s list below are the 2-letter codes from the FIPS 10-4 standard used in the US Government (Federal
    Jun 10, 2000 @ 19:49 - Tom Edwards (GEOGRAPHER) ("Tom Edwards (GEOGRAPHER)" <tomedw@...>)
18. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: list of multinational points
    wow & thanxx for both the q & a so for purposes of giving the best possible names to the multinational points do you agree it seems more propitious to ignore
    Jun 10, 2000 @ 20:54 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
19. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: list of multinational points
    If I were creating names for boundary turning points based on 2-letter abbreviations, I would adopt the ISO standard over FIPS (particularly for sharing such
    Jun 10, 2000 @ 21:01 - Tom Edwards (GEOGRAPHER) ("Tom Edwards (GEOGRAPHER)" <tomedw@...>)
20. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: list of multinational points
    thank you again tom these pages are helpful as well as interesting when i find a complete & easy to read tabulation of the iso diglyphs i think i will not
    Jun 10, 2000 @ 23:07 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
21. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: list of multinational points
    Thank you. What a great resource! Bill ... From: Tom Edwards (GEOGRAPHER) [mailto:tomedw@microsoft.com] Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 1:22 PM To:
    Jun 11, 2000 @ 00:32 - Jane Hanrahan ("Jane Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
22. New poll for BoundaryPoint
    Enter your vote today! Check out the new poll for the BoundaryPoint group: Anonymous poll: What is your primary involvement with regard to geopolitical
    Jun 11, 2000 @ 02:56 - BoundaryPoint@egroups.com (BoundaryPoint@egroups.com )
23. naming the multinational points
    the iso diglyph list is looking pretty good at http://www.din.de/gremien/nas/nabd/iso3166ma/codlstp1/en_listp1.html & i would have just moved forward right
    Jun 11, 2000 @ 13:25 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
24. Re: [BoundaryPoint] naming the multinational points
    Sorry if, as a newcomer to this list, I am out of touch, but why not PRONOUNCE and use the full names of the countires involved?? The 6-letter codes are handy
    Jun 11, 2000 @ 13:48 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
25. Re: [BoundaryPoint] naming the multinational points
    david you are right & thanx for being here m
    Jun 11, 2000 @ 14:08 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
26. Corners
    Hi This is my first mail to the group. Does anyone have information on the corner of France/Switzerland/Germany? It should be within the city of Basel, but so
    Jun 11, 2000 @ 15:04 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
27. Re: [BoundaryPoint] naming the multinational points
    another good idea or several & have no fear on my account as i dont think i have any issues in that regard i suppose i lied by even filling in the poll form &
    Jun 11, 2000 @ 15:08 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
28. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Corners
    Jesper, unfortunately, I don t have any info on those points,but will be following any responses with interest. Just wanted to thank you for posting your site
    Jun 11, 2000 @ 15:05 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
29. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Corners
    hey jesper i wish i could help you as well as you have me but all i can say at this point is that i am pretty sure i have seen an ibru land boundary roster
    Jun 11, 2000 @ 19:37 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
30. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Corners
    jesper mapquest dot com which is usually pretty fair to good for zeroing in on the multipoints but not absolutely reliable shows the france germany switzerland
    Jun 11, 2000 @ 21:15 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
31. question for brian in our state of the art lab
    dude the foregoing poignancies do make it seem that both frgmsz & chksmgrs are now knocking for admission into the world class at least i would like to have &
    Jun 11, 2000 @ 21:52 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
32. [No Subject]
    dear fellow pointers & bounders come to think more about it a simple photo collection of the multinational points might make a nice issue or first issue & a
    Jun 12, 2000 @ 14:53 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
33. France-Germany-Switzerland
    I found a nice interactive map of Basel on the internet at http://stadtplan.bsonline.ch/karte.cfm?PosX=4166&PosY=833&ParaZoom=1000&Jump=4 it clearly shows the
    Jun 12, 2000 @ 15:41 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
34. Re: [BoundaryPoint] France-Germany-Switzerland
    ... p=4 ... I would have been very proud of have a tripoint in my city, but Basel doesn t seem interested in promoting the point. I have checked out several
    Jun 12, 2000 @ 15:53 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
35. Re: [BoundaryPoint] France-Germany-Switzerland
    ... thanxx lets keep zeroing in on this one then a prize for the first photo an award for the first visit m
    Jun 12, 2000 @ 18:07 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
36. Re: [BoundaryPoint] France-Germany-Switzerland
    Peter Hering (a member of this group) tells me that he actually has a photo of the spot. Jesper
    Jun 12, 2000 @ 18:24 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
37. Re: [BoundaryPoint] France-Germany-Switzerland
    yess
    Jun 12, 2000 @ 18:37 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
38. Re: [BoundaryPoint] France-Germany-Switzerland
    but can get to a scanner before late this month ... From: michael donner To: BoundaryPoint@egroups.com Date:
    Jun 12, 2000 @ 18:34 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
39. Re: [BoundaryPoint] France-Germany-Switzerland
    well thats great m
    Jun 12, 2000 @ 19:12 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
40. Re: Corners
    Hey, I ll pay extra for that room! Jesper, if you want to pass along your friend s e-mail address, we can invite himto join the group. Bill
    Jun 11, 2000 @ 17:55 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
41. France-Germany-Switzerland
    Hi, I should probably introduce myself. My name is Robert Kerr, and I am a Doctoral candidate at the University of Oregon studying political geography. I have
    Jun 12, 2000 @ 20:30 - Robert Kerr ("Robert Kerr" <kerrrm@...>)
42. RE: [BoundaryPoint] France-Germany-Switzerland
    I forgot to ask...can anyone translate the German? Bill ... From: Robert Kerr [mailto:kerrrm@darkwing.uoregon.edu] Sent: Monday, June 12, 2000 4:30 PM To:
    Jun 12, 2000 @ 20:58 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
43. RE: [BoundaryPoint] France-Germany-Switzerland
    Rob, thanks for that information...and it s great to have you here. Given that the actual tripoint is in the Rhine (in mid channel?), that s some witness sign!
    Jun 12, 2000 @ 20:57 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
44. RE: [BoundaryPoint] France-Germany-Switzerland
    from altavista.com...somewhat disjointed...but... Tja, that asked certainly themselves already many. If one regards this object however somewhat more near,
    Jun 12, 2000 @ 21:05 - Beckett, Bob ("Beckett, Bob" <Bob.Beckett@...>)
45. RE: [BoundaryPoint] France-Germany-Switzerland
    Danke! (That didn t take long!)
    Jun 12, 2000 @ 21:11 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
46. Re: [BoundaryPoint] France-Germany-Switzerland
    welcome & thanx robert & everyone this is looking like the real stuff i have a hunch the man & woman facing left are looking to the point any greater truth on
    Jun 12, 2000 @ 21:26 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
47. Re: [BoundaryPoint] France-Germany-Switzerland
    correction it now appears we may already have a winner i couldnt beam davids map up on my primitive computer but after studying the mapquest serving for basel
    Jun 13, 2000 @ 00:05 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
48. hey
    hey you up yet wake up awready man you mean you been sleepin here on the frgm quai all frgm nite without a frgmap or a frgmgps no frgm boats anywhere in sight
    Jun 13, 2000 @ 13:03 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
49. Introduction
    Hello, all members of BoundaryGroup. I d like to introduce myself: Peter Hering, residing in a little Copenhagen suburb: Olstykke. I ve always been mad about
    Jun 13, 2000 @ 15:01 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
50. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Introduction
    truly awesome thank you & welcome peter i wash your feet baby can you or anyone tell me the exact geocoordinates of the france germany switzerland point m
    Jun 13, 2000 @ 15:20 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
51. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Introduction
    Hi guys I feel very lucky to stay so close to Peter. I look forward to seeing is photos. But I think he is right, we are not many. One thing that annoys me is
    Jun 13, 2000 @ 16:20 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
52. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Introduction
    there is a small town (among many, i presume) that straddles the usa-canada border. it is called estcourt station. the border actually runs through a a number
    Jun 13, 2000 @ 16:25 - Beckett, Bob ("Beckett, Bob" <Bob.Beckett@...>)
53. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Introduction
    re: In my quest for borders I have checked out travel guide books (also on Basel). It s shocking to read loads of books on Rome, and still being uncertain on
    Jun 13, 2000 @ 16:32 - Beckett, Bob ("Beckett, Bob" <Bob.Beckett@...>)
54. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Introduction
    Jesper, I found the lack of available internet information about the IE/GB border itself to be a surprise. It s hard to believe that a boundary this
    Jun 13, 2000 @ 16:47 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
55. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Introduction
    Peter, welcome...and thank you very much for that information! (Out of curiosity, is the border marked inside the room?) Have a great holiday! Bill ... From:
    Jun 13, 2000 @ 16:49 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
56. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border Pictures
    I appreciate that for a military reason photographing a border could be illegal, but I never though finding pictures of borders were so hard. I have been to
    Jun 13, 2000 @ 17:52 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
57. Hotel Franco-Suisse
    I d like to draw your attention to a place called La Cure on the Swiss/French border. For all border freaks it must be the ultimate dream spending a night in
    Jun 13, 2000 @ 18:02 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
58. IE/GB
    Just tell me if I am to much, but I really enjoy this group. I found this on mapquest on te IE/GB border : http://home.worldonline.dk/~jesniel/IE-GB-gif I
    Jun 13, 2000 @ 18:07 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
59. RE: [BoundaryPoint] IE/GB
    I tried the link, but it didn t work...( page could not be found )... (Thanks for trying!) Bill ... From: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen [mailto:jesniel@image.dk]
    Jun 13, 2000 @ 18:17 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
60. Re: [BoundaryPoint] IE/GB
    Sorry Should be http://home.worldonline.dk/~jesniel/IE-GB.gif Jesper I tried the link, but it didn t work...( page could not be found )... (Thanks for trying!)
    Jun 13, 2000 @ 18:27 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
61. RE: [BoundaryPoint] IE/GB
    That one worked! I think the IE/GB border was only finalized in about 1925 or so. However, it presumably follows the borders ofthe respective counties...the
    Jun 13, 2000 @ 18:29 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
62. Re: [BoundaryPoint] IE/GB
    yes you are to much & i rejoice every time i see your names downloading m
    Jun 13, 2000 @ 18:40 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
63. dear mom
    well here we are already on day 5 of our trip lounging carelessly on a beautiful wharf along the rhine in basel in the shadow of an exquisite trinational
    Jun 13, 2000 @ 20:57 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
65. Map of Estcourt
    A topo map showing Estcourt Maine can be found here . The dashed line running
    Jun 13, 2000 @ 21:06 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
66. Let's Try the Hyperlink Again
    The Estcourt map is at: http://www.realmbuilder.com/tristate/MapDetail.asp?MapID=236 BJB
    Jun 13, 2000 @ 21:08 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
67. Meaningful Subject Titles
    May I suggest that we start using meaningful subject titles? I think it would add a lot to the value of the message lists and would also make it easier to
    Jun 13, 2000 @ 22:17 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
68. you certainly may frgmsz chdefr
    do you mean like this m
    Jun 13, 2000 @ 22:35 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
69. Not Really
    ... think
    Jun 14, 2000 @ 01:54 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
70. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Not Really
    1 ok then what do you mean 2 perhaps something more like this 3 btw thanx for the fast direct answer 4 excuse me excuse me ladies & gentlemen yess it is my
    Jun 14, 2000 @ 07:02 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
71. re. IE/GB
    Greetings. I have posted in the list s files section the text of a short article from the International Boundaries Research Unit s Boundary & Security
    Jun 14, 2000 @ 11:44 - m.a.pratt@durham.ac.uk (m.a.pratt@...)
72. RE: [BoundaryPoint] you certainly may frgmsz chdefr
    Yeah, but the classic is chickmugger. ... From: michael donner [mailto:m@discovernet.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 6:36 PM To: BoundaryPoint@egroups.com
    Jun 14, 2000 @ 11:53 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
73. RE: [BoundaryPoint] re. IE/GB
    Thank you Martin...this is just what I was looking for. Bill ... From: m.a.pratt@durham.ac.uk [mailto:m.a.pratt@durham.ac.uk] Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000
    Jun 14, 2000 @ 11:54 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
74. RE: [BoundaryPoint] re. IE/GB
    m a r t i n m a r t i n s a i n t m a r t i n i should say major easy rider of the international boundaries research unit probably a homeboy to everyone on
    Jun 14, 2000 @ 12:42 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
75. Derby Line
    Here s another interesting straddle: http://www.pbpub.com/haskell.htm BJB ... usa-canada ... through a a ... the line ... now, nobody ... borders ... (that s
    Jun 14, 2000 @ 15:10 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
76. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Derby Line
    I visited Derby Line in the late seventies (long before I ever thought to put anything down in writing, unfortunately). In addition to the library, several
    Jun 14, 2000 @ 15:46 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
77. RE: [BoundaryPoint] you certainly may frgmsz chdefr
    well i realize i am too fond of them all but the meaning i meant to convey by the above subject title was first to answer the question clearly & emphatically
    Jun 14, 2000 @ 17:16 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
78. Re: Map of Estcourt
    Check out: http://www.destinationmaine.com/winter/estcourt/estphoto.htm forEstcourt info. Bill
    Jun 14, 2000 @ 19:09 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
79. Sleeper
    Another idea would be to sleep in France while your mistress sleeps next to you in Switzerland and your wife sleeps back in the US. BJB ... now, nobody has
    Jun 14, 2000 @ 21:23 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
80. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Sleeper
    ... hahahahaha meanwhile back in the usa at the colorado kansas nebraska tri state point a comment in the guest register there under 2 names broke the mann act
    Jun 15, 2000 @ 05:19 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
81. day 7
    gentlepointers good morning again it must be about day 9 by now the most wonderful thing happened again during the night it was reported that hrh the first
    Jun 15, 2000 @ 10:58 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
82. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Sleeper
    Just make sure you know where all the egress points are. Bill ... From: Brian Butler [mailto:bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 5:24 PM
    Jun 15, 2000 @ 11:48 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
83. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Sleeper
    ha haha hahahahahahahaa
    Jun 15, 2000 @ 11:58 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
84. Austria-Germany-Switzerland
    ... Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:20:45 +0200 From: Barry Smith To: David Mark Subject: 100th Oddity? Lake
    Jun 15, 2000 @ 13:21 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
85. vas ist das
    vas ist das vas tagen ist das ist das donnerstag guten morgen you helpen sie me please danka danka danka ah no ist basil but bozzle ah si i mean da psst hey
    Jun 15, 2000 @ 13:22 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
86. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Austria-Germany-Switzerland
    yess yess thank you dude i kiss your butt
    Jun 15, 2000 @ 13:24 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
88. code77 tlingit frgmsz chdefr +++ anglo us2ctmany caus2menbqc nt
    nt no text but elucidations2 1 us2ctmany is unauthorized code for ctmany or the connecticut massachusetts new york tri state point of the united states 2
    Jun 16, 2000 @ 04:00 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
89. code88 code88 all heaven has broken loose
    ... gregg your gang of harley dry pointers rumble on among the very most welcome & beloved to me personally of all the gathering multitudes now still pouring &
    Jun 16, 2000 @ 20:32 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
90. Calendar function suggestion
    If anyone is planning a field expedition, I d encourage you to use the group s Calendar function to let the group know about the planned trip,points to be
    Jun 16, 2000 @ 21:01 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
91. Re: FW: Whoops...message #87
    ... bill i have no idea how to answer you except to come out of the closet or the rain or whatever it is i am in hopefully intermittently communicado while on
    Jun 17, 2000 @ 01:40 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
92. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: FW: Whoops...message #87
    OK...have a good hunt...be safe. B ... From: michael donner [mailto:m@discovernet.net] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2000 9:40 PM To: BoundaryPoint@egroups.com
    Jun 17, 2000 @ 01:39 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
93. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: FW: Whoops...message #87
    thanx thanx & remember gang you are always safe when you are having fun mick
    Jun 17, 2000 @ 02:13 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
94. Re: re. IE/GB
    For anyone interested in the books that Martin refers to, I finally located Bad Blood from a UK bookseller; total cost plus shipping is GBP 8.50. (It
    Jun 17, 2000 @ 15:08 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
95. Jack Parsell's "Tri State Corners In The United States" available direct
    Fellow pointers, Great news...our very own Jack Parsell s book, Tri State Corners in the United States is available directly from the author for $7.50
    Jun 17, 2000 @ 16:34 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
96. Quiet
    Hi Just because I am a bit quiet the last days - sorry - all discussion seams to cease. I will return badly soon. Jesper
    Jun 18, 2000 @ 16:38 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
97. Have Suggestion re: Message Posting
    It looks like the Boundary Point site is off to a good start. I finished reading the archive today and enjoyed it. I would like to make one suggestion about
    Jun 18, 2000 @ 19:57 - gbutler@ix.netcom.com (gbutler@...)
98. Scanners for Pointers
    I m a diehard 35mm man for field work but would like to purchase a good scanner in order to share some of my photo material with the digital world. So far, my
    Jun 18, 2000 @ 20:12 - gbutler@ix.netcom.com (gbutler@...)
99. Re: code88 code88 all heaven has broken loose
    Thank you for the warm personal welcome. I look forward to being a productive member of the forum. This is the type of venue you had been hoping for, I think.
    Jun 18, 2000 @ 22:11 - gbutler@ix.netcom.com (gbutler@...)
100. Live report from Mike Donner on the road...
     I received a live telephone report tonight from our own court jester, Mike Donner, who as of this writing is on the road in Deer Isle, Maine. Mike was heading
     Jun 18, 2000 @ 22:54 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
101. Re: Live report from Mike Donner on the road...
     Go Mike Go...! When (if) you get to the Castaway Lounge, north on Joe Batt s Arm, tell em I sent you. They re pretty good folk. Check out the back window and
     Jun 19, 2000 @ 00:37 - gbutler@ix.netcom.com (gbutler@...)
102. Re: Jack Parsell's "Tri State Corners In The United States" available direct
     I agree, Mr. Parsell s book is an invaluable tool. Get one and keep it in your saddlebag next to your topos, Pub 909 and extra film, especially if you get near
     Jun 19, 2000 @ 10:33 - gbutler@ix.netcom.com (gbutler@...)
103. About Wheels, Then I Lurk
     The amount of joy in travel across land seems to be inversely proportional to the number of wheels you use. I have doubled my pleasure by motor-bicycling
     Jun 19, 2000 @ 10:50 - gbutler@ix.netcom.com (gbutler@...)
104. RE: [BoundaryPoint] About Wheels, Then I Lurk
     Tried ballooning...while you can t divide by zero, you also can t steer effectively either. I prefer to travel without using wheels...except at the very start
     Jun 19, 2000 @ 11:28 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
105. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Quiet
     hahahahaha man i have been looking all over basel for you say what ... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your
     Jun 19, 2000 @ 12:43 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
106. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: code88 code88 all heaven has broken loose
     right it must have been the black hole ... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN
     Jun 19, 2000 @ 12:45 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
107. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Live report from Mike Donner on the road...
     hahahahaha yeehaw indeed ... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at
     Jun 19, 2000 @ 12:47 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
108. RE: [BoundaryPoint] About Wheels, Then I Lurk
     agreed could water wings be far behind ... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN
     Jun 19, 2000 @ 12:49 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
109. dear mom 2
     st stephen new brunswick canada & all is swell love m ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail
     Jun 19, 2000 @ 12:53 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
110. code77 jewish holliston ringalevio class a
     jewish lord holliston hisself class e chinese takeout class a strange flavored chicken at china ting brian tlingit menbqc no freeakin canoe anglo ca2nfnuqc
     Jun 19, 2000 @ 12:58 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
111. excommunicado on the planes of serendippity
     excoimmunicado 1 no cell phone 2 no lap top 3no vcr camcorder or webcam 4to tape recorder 5no rolling papers the planes of serendipity 1st no very clear plan
     Jun 19, 2000 @ 13:02 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
112. Re: naming the multinational points
     ... [I m a newbie so I apologize if this has already been covered or solved] I think this system will leave a handful of ambiguities. I can think of 4 off the
     Jun 19, 2000 @ 16:30 - rhall@quadritek.com (rhall@...)
113. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: naming the multinational points
     dear randy thank you very much for this help toward 2 of my desires namely both determining & naming the multipoints i also like the directional suffixes you
     Jun 20, 2000 @ 17:56 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
114. dear mom 3
     port aux basques newfoundland & all is swell love m ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from
     Jun 20, 2000 @ 17:58 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
115. code77 jewish ca2crnbnsn
     several probable firsts were recorded yesterday at or near a point commonly called irwins point situated in the municipality of baie verte new brunswick canada
     Jun 20, 2000 @ 18:09 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
116. apologies for class designations of visits to multipoints etc
     i realize i neglected to give this information earlier class a absolutely been there class b been there pretty well usually the best one can do for unmarked
     Jun 20, 2000 @ 18:35 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
117. Tripoint Egypt-Libya-Sudan
     Just getting back to the tripoints! Accordin to my map the tripoint is the mountain J. Uwienat. Being a very straight border one could speculate the tripoint
     Jun 20, 2000 @ 19:32 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
118. Re: dear mom 3
     You are getting closer to Joe Batt s Arm! Check your map. It s on an island on the north coast of Newfoundland, near Dildo Run (no joke). ...
     Jun 21, 2000 @ 16:44 - gbutler@ix.netcom.com (gbutler@...)
119. crnfqcs or crown fix has been sighted
     lanse au clair labrador still looking for a decent map but just took a class d photo of the crownwaters newfoundland&labrador quebec tripoint with iceberg also
     Jun 22, 2000 @ 18:04 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
120. Why Joe Batt's Arm Is Important
     Joe Batt was a scoundrel. A pirate, no less. As punishment he was marooned on the north shore of Fogo island. The year is not important. This was considered a
     Jun 24, 2000 @ 08:41 - gbutler@ix.netcom.com (gbutler@...)
121. Tripoint Norway-Sweden-Finland
     Hi Why is the debate again not alive? Anyway, I will just point out that I have a link to the finose tripoint on my site, which is not found on Corner Corner.
     Jun 24, 2000 @ 16:52 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
122. Denmark - Sweden
     Next weekend Copenhagen becomes a border town. They are opening the bridge between Copenhagen, DK- Malmö, SE Jesper
     Jun 24, 2000 @ 17:10 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
123. Ukraine-Hungary-Slovakia
     Is the Basel tripoint the only build on tripoint? I am wondering if the Ukraine-Hungary-Slovakia is a bit simular? Lets investigate? Are there any build on
     Jun 24, 2000 @ 17:23 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
124. Velkommen hjem
     Hej Peter Velkommen hjem. Håber du ikke er alr for deprimeret efter de rødhvides indsats. Jeg vil gerne se alle de billeder du har af grænser. I denne uge
     Jun 26, 2000 @ 18:42 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
125. BoundaryPoint-subscribe@egroups.com
     
     Jun 27, 2000 @ 01:11 - han@cori.ac.vn (han@...)
126. [No Subject]
     BoundaryPoint-subscribe@egroups.com
     Jun 27, 2000 @ 01:10 - han@cori.ac.vn (han@...)
127. Re: About Wheels, Then I Lurk
     Bill, thanks for the uplifting thought. Hey, what about a personal derigible that you COULD steer? That would be getting pretty damned close to division by
     Jun 27, 2000 @ 03:57 - gbutler@ix.netcom.com (gbutler@...)
128. The beauty of euro-points (from an amero-eurist???)
     They (the euro points and borders) change about every twenty-to-fifty years. There are more fresh dead bodies (and many old ones too) at every point. There are
     Jun 27, 2000 @ 04:43 - gbutler@ix.netcom.com (gbutler@...)
129. crnfqcs or rather crnfpqs etc
     a second try on thursday at the crown waters newfoundland&labrador quebec south tripoint was closely attended by 3 bounding leviathans but our photo proved to
     Jun 27, 2000 @ 16:14 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
130. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: About Wheels, Then I Lurk
     I d be all for it if I could get some speed up on the damn thing, but then again, parking can be somewhat of a problem...a ground crew of one usually gets
     Jun 27, 2000 @ 21:42 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
131. Re: crnfqcs or rather crnfpqs etc
     In my way of thinking, getting to the literal end of the road qualifies as a point in itself. Go Mike and Jane, go! BH
     Jun 28, 2000 @ 00:57 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
132. nfnuqc or nfnupq or whatever continued
     the attempt at a newfoundland&labrador nunavut quebec tripoint promised earlier was in fact just a droll feint as readers of the corner corner pages under
     Jun 27, 2000 @ 16:24 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
133. crown waters new brunswick nova scotia south or crnbnss
     the second thursday of the chdefr tlingit was spent in blissful approach of ca2crnbnss at a point situated in one of the far reaches of the bay of fundy here
     Jun 30, 2000 @ 14:08 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
134. caus2crmenb & crmeus
     unscheduled bonus tries following the recent relative success at crnbnss aka crown bonuses have since been accomplished at the international intersecondary
     Jul 03, 2000 @ 14:11 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
135. Re: Logos, No Photos
     ... hahaha & thanx i noticed the angelfire has phosphorized everything at boundarypoint too i was going to say damn but i gotta believe it is for the better
     Jul 04, 2000 @ 18:54 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
136. Re: crnfqcs or rather crnfpqs etc
     
     Jul 05, 2000 @ 05:52 - mick donner ("mick donner" <m@...>)
137. Re: Velkommen hjem
     ... . wrote: Hej Peter Velkommen hjem. Håber du ikke er alr for deprimeret = efter de rødhvides indsats. Jeg vil gerne se alle de billeder du har af
     Jul 05, 2000 @ 06:21 - mick donner ("mick donner" <m@...>)
138. Re: Ukraine-Hungary-Slovakia
     
     Jul 05, 2000 @ 07:27 - mick donner ("mick donner" <m@...>)
139. Re: Tripoint Norway-Sweden-Finland
     
     Jul 05, 2000 @ 07:49 - mick donner ("mick donner" <m@...>)
140. apologies
     gentle people i have just noticed my recent atrocious handiwork obviously i havent mastered the controls yet anyone needing a translation of my last few posts
     Jul 05, 2000 @ 08:01 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
141. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: crnfqcs or rather crnfpqs etc
     Welcome home Mike and Jane...you guys do good work! BH
     Jul 05, 2000 @ 12:18 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
142. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Velkommen hjem
     Sorry E-mail was meant for Peter and not the group. I went ex-border hunting last weekend. I went quite south in Jutland and tried to find the Danish-German
     Jul 05, 2000 @ 18:25 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
143. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Ukraine-Hungary-Slovakia
     ... wrote: Is the Basel tripoint the only build on tripoint? I am wondering if the Ukraine-Hungary-Slovakia is a bit simular? Lets
     Jul 05, 2000 @ 18:28 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
144. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Tripoint Norway-Sweden-Finland
     for this beauty of a finose photo it is probably our first photo of an actual trinational pointreceived to date at boundarypointalso it is very curious that
     Jul 05, 2000 @ 18:34 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
145. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: crnfqcs or rather crnfpqs etc
     ... thanx pal it feels fine to us2 but i dont know if its really woyld class yet so this afternoon i am actually not napping at all but only lurking here in
     Jul 06, 2000 @ 04:00 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
146. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Velkommen hjem
     ghost boundaries are too kewl duud i have been chasing a couple of local ones myself for some years now without any so called success they are the mileposts of
     Jul 06, 2000 @ 04:00 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
147. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Ukraine-Hungary-Slovakia
     ahh i see we might say metro area tripoints fascinating question too as there are a great many tristate areas or tristates commonly referred to here new york
     Jul 06, 2000 @ 04:00 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
148. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Tripoint Norway-Sweden-Finland
     glad to explain & i do apologize again for my overcompression i would like to collect & cocreate with anyone else who is interested a file or perhaps
     Jul 06, 2000 @ 04:00 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
149. Re: Why Joe Batt's Arm Is Important
     gregg i salute your earlier request by snipping it but this scribbling of yours was truly one the funniest things i have seen lately i am in tears again
     Jul 06, 2000 @ 04:00 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
150. Re: Tripoint Egypt-Libya-Sudan
     i know trinational mountain peaks are not rare but my own unreliable map places this uwaynat peak on the libya sudan boundary perhaps 40km south of the
     Jul 06, 2000 @ 04:00 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
151. Re: naming the multinational points
     randy you & others have persuaded me about iso3166 & i could only think of the andorra & liechtenstein & swaziland tripoint pairs without looking at a map tho
     Jul 06, 2000 @ 04:01 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
152. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Jack Parsell's "Tri State Corners In The United States" available direct
     & i would like to add to your & greggs subsequent appreciatiation that without jacks book i could not have bagged ksmook if indeed i did bag it because the
     Jul 06, 2000 @ 04:01 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
153. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Austria-Germany-Switzerland
     david &or barry &or anyone else this is too intriguing for me to just let it lie there do you suppose anything can be said about the nationality of any part or
     Jul 06, 2000 @ 04:01 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
154. ksmook marker
     As i recall the pin was in the center of the road and centered on the tower. Also, in 1991 there was a tall pole supported by guy wires marking the pin.
     Jul 06, 2000 @ 05:37 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
155. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Tripoint Norway-Sweden-Finland
     Hi David, the webmaster of http://www.mapping.com told me that there might excist a book on European tripoints. I will run through my old mails to see more. I
     Jul 06, 2000 @ 18:19 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
156. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Ukraine-Hungary-Slovakia
     Being a European I find international tripoints alot more interesting that national. But I guess living in the North America international tripoints are very
     Jul 06, 2000 @ 18:23 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
157. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Tripoint Norway-Sweden-Finland
     Jesper, no it s not dead...tomorrow is our first month s anniversary. We re just getting started! Bill
     Jul 06, 2000 @ 18:34 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
158. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: naming the multinational points
     ... Indeed. ... Indeed. ... Indeed. ... Look to the place that named a race... -- randy the mapsurfer
     Jul 06, 2000 @ 18:46 - rhall@quadritek.com (rhall@...)
159. multinational or national
     i agree with you jesper tho i havent visited a single multinational point yet everyone can have a world class adventure pointing anywhere on any level but the
     Jul 07, 2000 @ 01:22 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
160. multinational pairs etc
     great i like the interplay & you have jogged my memory but my only map of the caucasus shows just the soviet union there with subdivisions unreadable still i
     Jul 07, 2000 @ 01:24 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
161. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ksmook marker
     thank you sir this is very good news indeed for it means i can upgrade my personal scorecard on this point without even having to leave the house from a rather
     Jul 07, 2000 @ 12:31 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
162. fry day at friggumses chowdifer
     quick chat at the entrance with basil tlingit especially see chief chef turtle yesterday frog today tomorrow the world but its bozzle you honkey the fleas are
     Jul 07, 2000 @ 15:09 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
163. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: naming the multinational points
     How about Singapore?
     Jul 07, 2000 @ 17:44 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
164. Re: [BoundaryPoint] multinational or national
     ... Me too, I never visited a tripoint myself. I have been to three continents, but actually only passed a few borders, and most as a child, and before I got
     Jul 07, 2000 @ 17:58 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
165. Re: [BoundaryPoint] multinational pairs etc
     I like the idea of making Corner Corner the full source of all multinational tripoints. There are still a lot missing, and I think we can all make Corner
     Jul 07, 2000 @ 18:09 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
166. Old email from Davis Smith
     Does anyone know this: I seem to recall a story in a magazine or newspaper about somebody who went looking for places where three or four countries meet. I
     Jul 07, 2000 @ 18:22 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
167. RE: [BoundaryPoint] multinational or national
     Jesper: Yes, when you cross the US/Mexico line at Tijuana, the actual boundary line on the main highway is marked by a series of orange/white stripes painted
     Jul 07, 2000 @ 19:19 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
168. fry day continued
     the hot crispy orange bird with scallion has flown very well & the frogs are so grateful none croaked well i dont honestly know what they appreciate or know
     Jul 07, 2000 @ 19:29 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
169. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: naming the multinational points
     hey nice call either way i mean i am not sure if you mean for multinational pairs or metro areas or both but i think you are probably at least doubly right &
     Jul 07, 2000 @ 19:57 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
170. Congratulations
     Congratulations on one months of border talk. Anyway here is my ICQ number 24611271, hope you will keep in touch and that you will submit your ICQ no as well.
     Jul 07, 2000 @ 20:06 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
171. Re: [BoundaryPoint] multinational pairs etc
     ... Somewhere to the north of the peacock throne An ancient enemy divides its rivals home In this place methinks its best To seek what s indeed weirder than
     Jul 07, 2000 @ 21:00 - rhall@quadritek.com (rhall@...)
172. dedk
     Here is a page on the German-Danish border http://www.acu.dk/lejrskoler/F.025.html The last photo show a boundary marker (don t know the meaning though - Peter
     Jul 07, 2000 @ 21:17 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
173. RE: [BoundaryPoint] dedk
     Nice one! Jesper, can we put the link on the BP link page? Also, could you provide an English translation of the captions? Bill
     Jul 07, 2000 @ 21:56 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
174. fry day ends but party has only just begun
     well i realized after my fry day continued post of earlier today that jesper had already answered several of the questions i was raising in it so i thank you
     Jul 08, 2000 @ 05:06 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
175. Re: [BoundaryPoint] multinational or national
     ... hahahahaha hahahahaha man you are to much another virgin with a small pecker & i thought you great danes were all alike ... hey me too but i hitchhiked to
     Jul 08, 2000 @ 06:39 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
176. Re: [BoundaryPoint] multinational pairs etc
     ... great i do too assuming brian wants & can handle the increased load because it will soon be a flood i think ... absolutely ... a little of both i would
     Jul 08, 2000 @ 07:10 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
177. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Old email from Davis Smith
     ... truly awesome i want to believe i want to believe a first euro nt to dovetail with jacks yankee gospel yeehaw evoe & a hearty welcome to david who was also
     Jul 08, 2000 @ 07:22 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
178. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Congratulations
     thank you my brother & husband & congratulations to you & to all of us foregathered here in what may already be or soon become the worlds largest marriage we
     Jul 08, 2000 @ 07:31 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
179. Re: [BoundaryPoint] multinational pairs etc
     ... ahh of course it is armenia that has the pair of azeri irani tripoints but isnt there an azeri pair or something like that also i admit i am a little
     Jul 08, 2000 @ 08:33 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
180. dayo
     day ay ay yo daylight come chow defer frig gumses day is a day is a day is a day is a day ay ay yo daylight come & me wanna go zone 4 oclock humor going on 5
     Jul 08, 2000 @ 09:13 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
181. zzzzz nt well a gnat
     & then i dreamt it was wens day evening somewhere east of hawaii while somewhere west the moslems were already rejoicing in the sabbath & totally allah akbar
     Jul 09, 2000 @ 13:47 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
182. 4 crows & a squirrel
     back at the apartment in the morning after coffee i decide to walk over to chowdifer central to see if i can find any trace of the nant & the gnat & to see
     Jul 09, 2000 @ 16:28 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
183. goodspeed men & men be quick
     real word from the water beetles & rumor of red ants as well have been trickling into the chowdifer all week to the effect that brian who was last heard from
     Jul 09, 2000 @ 17:47 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
184. denmark & the singaporean twins idmysge & idmysgw
     jesper i trust i didnt scare you off with the ravings of my danish nor the passions of my barbarian patriotism & i am also glad in your momentary absence to
     Jul 09, 2000 @ 23:13 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
185. fry out is off
     patience friends jespers & my emails are both presently fried hence the silence maybe we should tone down the party a tad but its back to the pole & friggumses
     Jul 10, 2000 @ 14:03 - m@discovernet.net (m@...)
186. Re: [BoundaryPoint] denmark & the singaporean twins idmysge & idmysgw
     ... Dunno about Singapore but I ll admit I didn t think about islands. One could wonder about any weirdnesses in all those Pacific Island groups. There s at
     Jul 10, 2000 @ 16:34 - rhall@quadritek.com (rhall@...)
187. Re: denmark & the singaporean twins idmysge & idmysgw
     
     Jul 10, 2000 @ 19:48 - mick donner ("mick donner" <m@...>)
188. testing something like your regular mike donner
     actually this is not jane at all but just mike using her computer & email again thanxx to all for your understanding as i have been scrambling to unfry my own
     Jul 10, 2000 @ 23:31 - jane capellaro (jane capellaro <j@...>)
189. trinational point twins list in progress
     confirmed adesfre & adesfrw andorra france spain amazire & amazirw armenia azerbaijan iran atchlin & atchlis austria liechtenstein switzerland btcnine &
     Jul 11, 2000 @ 00:11 - jane capellaro (jane capellaro <j@...>)
190. Re: [BoundaryPoint] trinational point twins list in progress
     ... My wall map of the world shows this is a triplet, although I have yet to confirm on a more detailed map. ... I think if you grant some of these, then you
     Jul 11, 2000 @ 13:44 - rhall@quadritek.com (rhall@...)
191. Re: [BoundaryPoint] trinational point twins list in progress
     thanxxx janey & randy & all first revise follows look for uncaretted insertions ... bahryun & bahryus bosnia croatia yugoslavia ... & possibly compound ...
     Jul 11, 2000 @ 14:25 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
192. Re: [BoundaryPoint] trinational point twins list in progress
     ... If we have an imminent category, need we an unimminent category, or would it be better to avoid anything that can be misconstrued as a political view
     Jul 11, 2000 @ 15:02 - rhall@quadritek.com (rhall@...)
193. Re: [BoundaryPoint] trinational point twins list in progress
     now you have me completely stumped randy & i am only guessing at your meaning here i assume you are saying tp for east timor & that you are questioning the
     Jul 11, 2000 @ 16:38 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
194. Re: [BoundaryPoint] trinational point twins list in progress
     great search there jesper & greater still to have you back i have been wondering too where is our multinationally greatest dane & sib peter who promised to
     Jul 11, 2000 @ 16:41 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
195. Re: [BoundaryPoint] trinational point twins list in progress
     One expected yu s southernmost component to have its own iso code. tp had its iso code long before at least some people thought perhaps it should; that is what
     Jul 11, 2000 @ 19:38 - rhall@quadritek.com (rhall@...)
196. Re: [BoundaryPoint] trinational point twins list in progress
     hahahahaha ahh thank you randy & no i wasnt confused just stumped i do feel fairly confident tho that i understand you better now & also that you mean by
     Jul 11, 2000 @ 22:46 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
197. an unexpected visit from woody woodpecker
     during this evenings promenade au frgmsz janey added she would call bozzle woody & after the mosquitoeses ate us a while & the spiderses lurked & the bunny ran
     Jul 12, 2000 @ 00:24 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
198. Re: [BoundaryPoint] trinational point twins list in progress
     well then your anglo numero uno pilgrimage to our global treasury & treasuror & frankly treasure holds channel 1 on my screen & i am thrilled also to realize
     Jul 12, 2000 @ 13:11 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
199. Re: [BoundaryPoint] trinational point twins list in progress
     second revise following owes much & is dedicated to the mapsurfer i love look for uncaretted insertions ... eminent imminent immanent ... more confirmations &
     Jul 12, 2000 @ 15:29 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
200. akcause & akcausw & caus2nyonqc & perhaps more
     as i have been intimating lately & mumbling out loud i am currently gathering data & seeking especially any detail maps of the akwesasne mohawk reservations of
     Jul 12, 2000 @ 16:10 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
201. Re: [BoundaryPoint] trinational point twins list in progress
     ... Traveler s Century Club ... Soviet Union; if I recall correctly ... The best sitcom (besides perhaps Seinfeld) ever made which always started with that
     Jul 12, 2000 @ 21:19 - rhall@quadritek.com (rhall@...)
202. Re: akcause & akcausw & caus2nyonqc & perhaps more
     subsequent findings on the above subjects including corrections to the original message repeated at bottom first thanx to the following official mohawk maps
     Jul 13, 2000 @ 00:18 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
203. Another yarn about JB's Arm
     Joe Batt s Arm is the farthest north I ever went on a company tab (no lie). Why would a company send me (or anyone) there? Because there are circuits to be
     Jul 13, 2000 @ 03:58 - gbutler@ix.netcom.com (gbutler@...)
204. ok great
     you actually do sound & check out great to this md my friend of course with a few expletives deleted to protect the innocent & hopefully not betray any
     Jul 13, 2000 @ 11:53 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
205. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Another yarn about JB's Arm
     hahahahaha hahahahaha major victuals for thought here too gregg hey can you imagine the navy van was mistaken there for a victuals truck newfy for roadside
     Jul 13, 2000 @ 13:07 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
206. Re: [BoundaryPoint] trinational point twins list in progress
     ... this rewarded my quick browse especially to see others nearly as geo wingo as ourselves in fact we should let them know about us in case they ever do get
     Jul 13, 2000 @ 14:18 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
207. Re: [BoundaryPoint] trinational point twins list in progress
     ... Sorry, their list has 307, not 331 as reported earlier. -- randy the mapsurfer
     Jul 13, 2000 @ 21:06 - rhall@quadritek.com (rhall@...)
208. RE: [BoundaryPoint] ok great
     I wouldn t take the on the FAA for love or money. When the time comes for Okeechobee, I can help with the fixed wing (either me or a friend, depending on the
     Jul 14, 2000 @ 12:01 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
209. off the record
     dear goctor dumby oops i mean doctor gumby of course & i didnt intend to mutilate but only to fondle you it is so good to hear from you again after all this
     Jul 14, 2000 @ 16:46 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
210. Re: [BoundaryPoint] trinational point twins list in progress
     third revise follows the most major changes are owing to discontinuation of some of the more fantastic notions & also to a recent realization that countries
     Jul 14, 2000 @ 19:57 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
211. Re: ok great
     hahahahaha hahahahahaha i know but dont you think okeechobee will need water wings or vertical landing bill sometimes you remind me of donald duck man if you
     Jul 14, 2000 @ 21:14 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
212. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ok great
     Water wings or vertical landing if you want to get right to the spot on the surface...if you want to fly over the spot that s a different matter I guess. Quack
     Jul 14, 2000 @ 21:18 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
213. Hi - I am back
     Dear group, I returned from my soccer trip to Holland and Belgium 10 days ago, an experience not to be missed... Very soon I ll call myself the owner of a
     Jul 15, 2000 @ 16:04 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
214. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Hi - I am back
     Peter, Congratulations on a great trip! I for one am eagerly awaiting the photos! Regarding Point Roberts: check out the Links section on the BoundaryPoint
     Jul 15, 2000 @ 22:31 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
215. Thanks Bill...
     Hi Bill, thank you so much for your immediate reply... yes, I think our group is pretty much alive!! Jesper came by yesterday and we had a long discussion on
     Jul 16, 2000 @ 12:25 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
216. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Thanks Bill...
     ... The basic point is that the European powers often negotiated boundaries without knowing the local geography. Or when the new USofA negotiated about the
     Jul 16, 2000 @ 12:58 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
217. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Hi - I am back
     welcome back in excelsis peter & bless you for atczhu our first original multinational pure gold in 213 messages i think i am not speaking out of school when i
     Jul 18, 2000 @ 03:22 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
218. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Thanks Bill...
     & specifically re the pt roberts & nw angle exclaves or enclaves uncannily i chanced to make visits also yesterday within or very close to all 3 of the
     Jul 18, 2000 @ 03:23 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
219. pix at last & last words on crown waters for now
     as promised photos of the recent crown waters quintipop are now hanging at http://www.angelfire.com/md2/polystate with a few more words hopefully not too
     Jul 18, 2000 @ 05:13 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
220. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Thanks Bill...
     I don t think these should be considered enclaves or exclaves, since the political units in question are connected through territorial waters under state and
     Jul 18, 2000 @ 16:50 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
221. Tripoints in Europe - and thanks...
     Hi everybody - first of all thank you David for your comprehensive info on map drawing policy in the last century - and thanks Michael for your encouraging
     Jul 18, 2000 @ 18:31 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
222. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Thanks Bill...
     thanx david & you are absolutely right i was using these words only in their most crude & indeed ignorant senses while groping for truer words yet each new
     Jul 18, 2000 @ 22:02 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
223. first attempted hexapopper in history
     early sunday morning jane & i were heading wnw from mt mansfield vt & back again toward the international mohawk aka akwesasne reservation for a new
     Jul 19, 2000 @ 21:17 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
224. octopopper
     ... peter interested is hardly the word fascinated magnetized & compelled would be more accurate in my case so i send you many big thanxx both for dreaming &
     Jul 20, 2000 @ 06:54 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
225. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoints in Europe - and thanks...
     ... all wonderful indeed peter we all count on our host for everything here & thanx for these wonderful hints of what must be things to come but will you tell
     Jul 20, 2000 @ 13:54 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
226. maritime multinationals
     i have finally figured out or at least i think it is true that jrv prescotts 1985 book re international maritime boundaries plus periodic united nations unclos
     Jul 20, 2000 @ 15:25 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
227. Sv: [BoundaryPoint] maritime multinationals
     Hi Michael, thanks for your comments on my count of Europ. Tps. Indeed, it s a matter of interpretation - should Tps in water be part of the count...! In this
     Jul 21, 2000 @ 18:37 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
228. gcebe & tps in h2o etc
     yesterday peter wrote in http://www.egroups.com/message/BoundaryPoint/227 ... wonderful my friend & thank you & thanx especially for acknowledging us all
     Jul 22, 2000 @ 11:23 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
229. Tp Switzerl.-Germany-France near Basel
     Hi Michael, thanks for your nice remarks they warmed my heart... The promised list on Tps in Europe is under construction , it will be submitted
     Jul 23, 2000 @ 14:08 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
230. Tripoints in Europe
     Tripoints in Europe a- Northern EUR: d- Eastern EUR: 1 - Finland / Norway / Russia 21- Estonia /
     Jul 23, 2000 @ 18:43 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
231. Tripoints in Europe - 2 , sorry!
     Sorry, but the last 4 lines in my mail got lost: c - South West. Europe: 19- Andorra / France / Spain (2 !) 41- Albania / Greece / Macedonia 42-
     Jul 23, 2000 @ 18:47 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
232. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoints in Europe
     nice work peter this is truly huge to behold & contemplate & we are now well on our way to covering the whole world my most pleasant surprise was to see a pair
     Jul 24, 2000 @ 08:52 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
233. nyqcvt plus nyonqc & other mohawks
     pix from last sundays 6 tripoint tour of mohawk land etc along the real canadian american frontier are hanging now at
     Jul 24, 2000 @ 08:55 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
234. excuuuuse me
     peter i have just realized you are absolutely right about moldova having a pair of dry twin tps with romania & ukraine please forgive my stupidity best m the
     Jul 24, 2000 @ 21:54 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
235. Re: [BoundaryPoint] trinational point twins list in progress
     fourth revise follows only one new pair here so please look for the single uncaretted insertion dedicated to peter who just quietly pointed out this not very
     Jul 24, 2000 @ 22:14 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
236. Re: [BoundaryPoint] excuuuuse me
     additional correction since both of the twin tps moldova romania ukraine are probably situated in rivers i wish i had not called them dry for i think
     Jul 25, 2000 @ 13:16 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
237. Tps Moldova-Ukraine-Romania
     Hi Michael, concerning this Tp: The river Prut forms the entire border between Moldova and Romania. The northern Tp is very close to a Moldovian town called
     Jul 25, 2000 @ 14:09 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
239. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Great Central Europ. Border Expedition 2001
     Warning everbody!! Peter s document has a virus! Jesper
     Jul 26, 2000 @ 10:31 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
240. warning - virus !?!
     Hi everybody, as Jesper told you - the attachment to my last mail probably contains a virus - don t ask me how, don t ask me why...I ll be running a new
     Jul 26, 2000 @ 11:19 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
241. now it's ok - file scanned + cleaned !!!
     Hi everybody - I just had my harddisc cleaned - yes, there was a virus (ethan?) in some of my files. Had to run the mcafee-anti-virus programme - so now my PC
     Jul 26, 2000 @ 13:12 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
242. Re: warning - virus !?!
     ... contains a virus - ... virus programme very soon - apparently my Norton AntiVirus didn t help...! ... The original message (#238) with the suspected
     Jul 26, 2000 @ 13:49 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
243. RE: [BoundaryPoint] now it's ok - file scanned + cleaned !!!
     Peter, nice job!!! (I ve also taken the liberty of uploading the itinerary - in MS Word 97 format - to the files section.) Bill
     Jul 26, 2000 @ 13:58 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
244. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Great Central Europ. Border Expedition 2001
     another fantastic job peter i am impressed & excited btw i find attachments & files like this hard to receive & read with my primitive equipment but it is
     Jul 27, 2000 @ 01:55 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
245. to Bill and Michael
     Thanks, Bill for your message, I think it s just perfect that our GCEBE is now visible on our site s file. Michael, did you solve your attachment - reading
     Jul 27, 2000 @ 18:59 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
246. Re: [BoundaryPoint] trinational point twins list in progress
     fifth & likely final revise for a while follows lots of news here indeed nearly a doubling of the previous roster thanx to the totally awesome prescott book i
     Jul 28, 2000 @ 16:05 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
247. maritime tps actual & probable & improbable per prescott 1985 etc
     following is a first & still very rough list of the maritime tps another case in point of standing on the shoulders of giants unless indicated as actualities
     Jul 28, 2000 @ 18:49 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
248. some nice links - and an internat. quadruplet-point !
     Hi everybody - by surfing around last night I found two very exiting sites that might interest you all: 1- The university of Tuebingen/Germany did some
     Jul 29, 2000 @ 16:36 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
249. Re: [BoundaryPoint] some nice links - and an internat. quadruplet-point !
     thanxx peter for both of these delightful items the twin towns are fantastic & beautiful & the question about the quadripoints is quite wonderful too but
     Jul 30, 2000 @ 05:14 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
250. Tripoint Austria/Germany/Switzerland in Lake Constance
     I just read an interesting article on this tp, written by a Swiss lady, Frau Marianne Spiess - on: www.mms-spiess.ch on borders, border drawing problems etc.
     Jul 31, 2000 @ 16:59 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
251. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoint Austria/Germany/Switzerland in Lake Constance
     peter this is wonderful news from atchde in fact i would call it mind boggling to staggering tell me if i am all wet but it appears to me switzerland sensibly
     Jul 31, 2000 @ 20:54 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
252. was atchde plus bwnazmzw then ctmany next idmtwy
     you are welcome peter glad you like bwnazmzw & long may it & we live twin lakes connecticut is a tiny village also known as taconic ct 06079 where i used to
     Jul 31, 2000 @ 20:55 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
253. progress or retrogress reports on convocations previously crowed
     gentlebounders 1 happily the chdefr or basle tlingit & award & prize were promoted last week for the gcebe is alive & well & likely to visit this point in
     Jul 31, 2000 @ 21:55 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
254. topozone.com
     www.topozone.com pretty much takes care of topographic map needs for the US. The coverage is complete and you can t beat the free price.
     Aug 01, 2000 @ 01:21 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
255. Re: [BoundaryPoint] topozone.com
     that is incredible brian i have long been wishing for this but it is far better than i could ever have imagined so how did you manage to pull it off great to
     Aug 01, 2000 @ 02:22 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
256. Re: topozone.com
     I didn t have anything to do with creating the site. Someone told me about it and then I read something about it in the local newspaper. It is a pretty nifty
     Aug 01, 2000 @ 11:26 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
257. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: topozone.com
     Brian, what are the minimum contour intervals in the Topo! CD-ROM? Bill
     Aug 01, 2000 @ 11:35 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
258. Thanks Michael - from Peter
     Hi Michael, thanks for your comments on my research on Tp atchge ! I find the non-existence of valid agreements on how to divide the lake confusing myself -
     Aug 01, 2000 @ 21:13 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
259. Re: topozone.com
     The contour interval varies because the maps on Topo! are actual high resolution scans of the paper topo maps. In most locations the contour interval is 10
     Aug 01, 2000 @ 22:27 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
260. Dogs and Bogs
     Tomorrow morning Gregg and I (with large dogs) are driving up to northern Maine to begin attempts on five points as follows: 1. Northermost point in Maine -
     Aug 01, 2000 @ 22:47 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
261. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: topozone.com
     Thanks..the reason I asked is that I need 5-10 intervals here in Florida as is typical on the paper maps. I had tried Topo USA by Delorme, but I think that
     Aug 01, 2000 @ 22:50 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
262. Michael Donner's address
     I just got back from the Highpointers convention in Hawaii and found message about Michael s impending trip to idmtwy. Also found in my land mail copies of
     Aug 02, 2000 @ 02:06 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
263. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Thanks Michael - from Peter
     ... you are most welcome peter & i agree nothing but the truth indeed i am so glad you said that for truth is all everyone would salute & this really is
     Aug 02, 2000 @ 05:06 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
264. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Michael Donner's address
     that is wonderful jack i didnt realize you are a high pointer too fantastic you must have really enjoyed ctmany & the ct hi pt being only a quarter of a mile
     Aug 02, 2000 @ 05:06 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
265. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Dogs and Bogs
     yess another quinti go men go dogs go men men be nimble menbqc yess hmm mes & nhe sound positively delightful too yess mes yess mes nhe nhe nhe nhe nhe nhe
     Aug 02, 2000 @ 05:06 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
266. us2ohpawv & the 3 great lakes virgins
     just wanting to add to my preliminary report on idmtwy that i have also just selected her 4 journeymate points & all of these are really ducky too like it
     Aug 02, 2000 @ 05:06 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
267. Hi - I am also back
     Hi I am back now, got a brand new computer. I hope I have been missed. I do have a lot of catching up to be done. Jesper
     Aug 02, 2000 @ 21:19 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
268. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Hi - I am also back
     nice going jesper or rather nice returning & congrats on your new machine peter kept us posted so we knew you were really there just out of sight a little
     Aug 03, 2000 @ 01:47 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
269. men mee mes & mew
     now that our men brian & gregg are probably well on their way north to men men meaning here the northernmost point of maine & on their way east also to mee
     Aug 03, 2000 @ 02:14 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
270. To Brian & Gregg - safe trip a. lots of border pictures..!
     Hi Brian & Gregg, most interesting to read about your trip north..! Especially Estcourt Station is one of my favourits, I ll visit this village for sure on my
     Aug 03, 2000 @ 07:12 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
271. Re: [BoundaryPoint] men mee mes & mew
     I had once heard that there are 5 unresolved boundry disputes between US and CA, with at least one or two of them involving ME. I have never had the
     Aug 03, 2000 @ 12:57 - rhall@quadritek.com (rhall@...)
272. Re: [BoundaryPoint] men mee mes & mew
     hey randy great one too i am cribbing from a 1997 ibru bulletin by david h gray which seems to indicate canada did then have 5 maritime disputes 1 of them
     Aug 03, 2000 @ 14:21 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
273. nhe & mes & menhus extra
     i just noticed bus&ss p61 says a redefined menh interstate compact line thru the isles of shoals was awaiting supreme court consent when that book went to
     Aug 03, 2000 @ 18:18 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
274. menhus manhus marius & 15 more
     the search for menhus if not also for mes & nhe has led me to ask the new hampshire state library online reference department about the menh interstate
     Aug 04, 2000 @ 06:44 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
275. Re: [BoundaryPoint] menhus manhus marius & 15 more
     It s time for me to contribute a bit Here s a link: http://search.corbis.com/default.asp?q=boundary+marker&v=1&s=boundary+marker&image1.x=9&image1.y=4 Jesper
     Aug 04, 2000 @ 12:26 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
276. Re: [BoundaryPoint] menhus manhus marius & 15 more
     hahahaha a big mac of a 4 bagger too thank you jesper i was craving a spot of rock myself hey i think i ate one of those already urp & i like the way you
     Aug 04, 2000 @ 15:40 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
277. China-Kyrgyzstan-Tajikistan Tripoint Agreed
     Legal experts from the three countries have reportedly agreed in principle on the location where their boundaries meet. The official treaty will be signed at
     Aug 04, 2000 @ 19:48 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
278. Re: [BoundaryPoint] China-Kyrgyzstan-Tajikistan Tripoint Agreed
     another nice catch jesper i think you have brought us to the roof of the world now & the tripoint itself could well be among the loftiest of the premier class
     Aug 05, 2000 @ 02:29 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
279. nyrius njnyus denjus & the chase continues
     still flushed with yesterdays success at marius i continued cruising southwest down the atlantic seaboard this morning on the magic carpet express setting my
     Aug 05, 2000 @ 02:31 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
280. Re: [BoundaryPoint] nyrius njnyus denjus & the chase continuesI think USGS would say that they are no AUTHORITIES on the positions of legal boundaries. Frankly, I am surprised that they even bother to put on the "
     I think USGS would say that they are no AUTHORITIES on the positions of legal boundaries. Frankly, I am surprised that they even bother to put on the 3 mile
     Aug 05, 2000 @ 13:00 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
281. Re: [BoundaryPoint] nyrius njnyus denjus & the chase continuesI think USGS would say that they are no AUTHORITIES on the positions of legal boundaries. Frankly, I am surprised that they even bother to put on the "
     ... indeed they have told me they are no authorities themselves but then added inexplicably except in the case of west virginia mainly tho i think they are
     Aug 05, 2000 @ 16:04 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
282. maritime boundary between new hampshire & maine
     david said good question someone should check a law library if they are interested thanx my friend hows this for a dumb start excuse me again back soon
     Aug 05, 2000 @ 16:50 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
283. Re: [BoundaryPoint] nyrius njnyus denjus & the chase continuesI think USGS would say that they are no AUTHORITIES on the positions of legal boundaries. Frankly, I am surprised that they even bother to put on the "
     ... well idmtwy is legend & it may even have been i who first farted over it idaho montana wyoming njnypa is more subtle new jersey new york pennsylvania but
     Aug 05, 2000 @ 16:50 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
284. the american coastal honor guard or the 18 u s marines
     well you know how i have been enthusing so down & across & up the coasts of my country lately & it has really been a wild tear thanx to brian & gregg & the
     Aug 05, 2000 @ 23:37 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
285. Re: [BoundaryPoint] the american coastal honor guard or the 18 u s marines
     ... I count 61 sets of 3 or more states (not counting DC) that share at least one common point. 1 set is the set of 4 states that meet at the Four Corners 1
     Aug 05, 2000 @ 23:50 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
286. Maine Trip Report
     Gregg and I are back from our expedition. We successfully visited the northernmost point in Maine at Estcourt, the Maine - New Brunswick - Québec tri-point,
     Aug 06, 2000 @ 01:45 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
287. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Maine Trip Report
     What a great trip! Congratulations...I m envious..can t wait to see the photos! Bill
     Aug 06, 2000 @ 01:58 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
288. Re: the american coastal honor guard or the 18 u s marines
     Mike, I m glad you are interested in researching all the details of these 3-mile-out-to-sea points but I think you are buffing a turd. BJB
     Aug 06, 2000 @ 02:03 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
289. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: the american coastal honor guard or the 18 u s marines
     ... hahahahaha hahahahaha thank you my friend hahahaha & who did you say would swim for it in the buff hahaha thank you thank you that was an enormously
     Aug 06, 2000 @ 04:22 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
290. Re: [BoundaryPoint] the american coastal honor guard or the 18 u s marines
     another interesting & very substantial agreement david & i think we benefit greatly also from having these 2 different viewpoints in fact i so appreciate what
     Aug 06, 2000 @ 04:27 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
291. political week in america rainbow on your trypointing dial
     87 lunatic fringe very good 86 ultra radical all wet 83 liberal ahhh violets 65 moderate what me worry 61 conservative ahhh roses 30
     Aug 06, 2000 @ 15:18 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
292. Re: [BoundaryPoint] the american coastal honor guard or the 18 u s marines
     ... Personally I only find the points interesting if there are three or more regions or partitions AT THE SAME LEVEL in the political hierarchy come together.
     Aug 06, 2000 @ 15:56 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
293. Germany and Luxemburg overlap (fwd)
     ... Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 12:35:31 +0200 From: Barry Smith To: David Mark Subject: Germany and Luxemburg
     Aug 06, 2000 @ 16:04 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
295. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Preliminary MENBQC Photo
     bad link ... From: Brian Butler To: Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 8:10 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint]
     Aug 06, 2000 @ 18:13 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
296. Preliminary MENBQC Photo
     I have posted a preliminary photo of the Maine - New Brunswick - Quebec tri-point monument at http://www.bjbsoftware.com/tristate/photo/menbqccone.html.
     Aug 06, 2000 @ 18:16 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
297. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Germany and Luxemburg overlap (fwd)
     another bolt of bliss from barry smith who is this angel of ours anyway david i hope he realizes how much he is appreciated around here can you or he say what
     Aug 06, 2000 @ 19:27 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
298. continued haply ever after
     ... i am multi glad you said that because it is good to learn your interests & tastes & it confirms & encourages my own subjective impressions & assessments
     Aug 06, 2000 @ 19:28 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
299. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Preliminary MENBQC Photo
     It works if you remove the period at the end (at least it did for me). Re: the photo...it s finger lickin good. Bill ... From: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen
     Aug 06, 2000 @ 20:23 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
300. RE: [BoundaryPoint] political week in america rainbow on your trypointing dial
     hahahaha! Very good, Mick! ... From: michael donner [mailto:m@discovernet.net] Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 11:18 AM To: BoundaryPoint@egroups.com Subject:
     Aug 06, 2000 @ 20:24 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
301. Re: [BoundaryPoint] continued haply ever after
     ... As a first cut I d find someone who has loaded up international boundaries in a geographic information system, and then get a listing of all the nodes .
     Aug 06, 2000 @ 20:34 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
302. Re: [BoundaryPoint] continued haply ever after
     ... California - Baja California - Arizona Baja California - Arizona - Sonora Arizona - Sonora - New Mexico Sonora - New Mexico - Chihuahua New Mexico -
     Aug 06, 2000 @ 20:45 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
303. Re: [BoundaryPoint] continued haply ever after
     ... Sticking to my same level principle, the only tri-Province points that Canada may have are wet ones in the Gulf of St. Lawrence or the Cabot Strait. And
     Aug 06, 2000 @ 21:19 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
304. grad students 1st approximation of tri country pts
     yess yesss high fives all around this is better than a fondest dream david i trust it will be a wet one too please keep us posted huge thanX m
     Aug 06, 2000 @ 22:30 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
305. RE: [BoundaryPoint] political week in america rainbow on your trypointing dial
     ... thanx bill very good to see you laughing regularly here again m
     Aug 06, 2000 @ 22:33 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
306. RE: [BoundaryPoint] political week in america rainbow on your trypointing dial
     Glad to be back...it seems I ve got a lot of reading to catch up on. B
     Aug 06, 2000 @ 22:27 - Jane Hanrahan ("Jane Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
307. canadian tripoints
     david earlier today ... well i think we can safely rule these out since they would require allocating or breaking the queens waters just mentioning which is
     Aug 06, 2000 @ 23:01 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
308. RE: [BoundaryPoint] political week in america rainbow on your trypointing dial
     hahahaha well that is largely my doing but it truly is all optional & sort of like background music if anything m
     Aug 06, 2000 @ 23:07 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
309. state rummy maine connecticut utah
     an earlier try at a state cardinal meld or news tour in this case encompassing the state of connecticut was made by jane & me mostly last year it is reported
     Aug 07, 2000 @ 01:11 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
310. Re: state rummy maine connecticut utah
     Maybe he lives nearby with his 7 wives and 42 children. BJB
     Aug 07, 2000 @ 13:51 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
311. news tour gap at cts or southernmost connecticut
     haha the 7 wives had 7 cats too i think http://www.topozone/com/map.asp?lat=40.9715&lon=-73.63&size=s&s=50 shows distance a bit under 2 nautical miles south
     Aug 07, 2000 @ 14:50 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
312. Re: [BoundaryPoint] some nice links - and an internat. quadruplet-point !
     Hi Peter Nice pictures of the new borders in the new East. I remember once a programme on tv of the border split of Czechoslovakia, but have not been able to
     Aug 07, 2000 @ 15:49 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
313. St Martin/St. Maarten
     I have found some info on what I think is the smallest border on an island. http://www.image.dk/~jesniel/border/stmartin.htm Jesper
     Aug 07, 2000 @ 17:09 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
314. Re: [BoundaryPoint] St Martin/St. Maarten
     ... yes & what a paradisal abode for the boundary patron that monument was really more a freakin pyramid too nice reach jesper & i think a righteous moment
     Aug 07, 2000 @ 18:25 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
315. Corner Corner Construction
     Over the couple of months I will be substantially rebuilding the Corner Corner site because it will be moving to a new server with different capabilities.
     Aug 07, 2000 @ 20:09 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
316. Corner Corner Construction Link Correction
     Sorry for the bad link to the Corner Corner. It contained a typographical error. It should have been: http://www.realmbuilder.com/tristate BJB
     Aug 07, 2000 @ 20:12 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
317. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Corner Corner Construction Link Correction
     On the technical side, I could appreciate some meta tags, so we could get the site registered in search engines. And perhaps get more boundary friends. Jesper
     Aug 07, 2000 @ 21:40 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
318. Quick GIS list of MultiCountry points
     Emil Boasson is a PhD student here at Buffalo geography, who is from Iceland. He obtained this draft list of multi-country points using a GIS. He found
     Aug 07, 2000 @ 23:23 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
319. Re: Quick list (fwd)
     ... Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 19:39:19 -0400 From: Emil Boasson To: David Mark Subject: Re: Quick list There are
     Aug 07, 2000 @ 23:35 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
320. Re: [BoundaryPoint] some nice links - and an internat. quadruplet-point !
     ... I have it in my notes that Namibia s Caprivi Strip ALMOST reaches a four-country point with Botswana, Zambia, and Zimbabwe. Clockwise around the possible
     Aug 08, 2000 @ 01:30 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
321. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Corner Corner Construction
     wonderful news & presents all around brian & it is beginning to feel like we are really on the move now with developments like this on top of everything else
     Aug 08, 2000 @ 02:36 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
322. Re: [BoundaryPoint] some nice links - and an internat. quadruplet-point !
     dear david & emil 165 thanxx & more for this whole enormous contribution & advance i am sincerely staggered by it with very best wishes m about the quadripoint
     Aug 08, 2000 @ 02:37 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
323. Re: Quick GIS list of MultiCountry points
     oops misdirected previously
     Aug 08, 2000 @ 04:20 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
324. Re: Quick GIS list of MultiCountry points
     from david offlist still i think this is very good news to share ... ok beautiful here is the question then ignoring 3mile & 3league data in this case because
     Aug 08, 2000 @ 14:50 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
325. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Quick GIS list of MultiCountry points
     well it does appear then that emil & peter in messages 230 & 231 agree completely about europe after the 4 sets of twins there are factored in & i know emil
     Aug 08, 2000 @ 19:03 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
326. Europ. tripoints + Lake Constance
     Hello everybody, thanks David for your quick list, supplied by Emil. Compared to my own list, sent to the group on July 23 (tripoints in Europe) a few remarks:
     Aug 08, 2000 @ 19:50 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
327. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Europ. tripoints + Lake Constance
     oh no hahahahaha & i was counting on you peter but i say the more the merrier & no matter anyway as i am counting on you once again & delighted you are back
     Aug 08, 2000 @ 22:29 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
328. Re: Quick GIS list of MultiCountry Points
     a further check of the quick gis list against some maps of asia & africa indicates we are not quite as close as i had imagined to getting a complete draft list
     Aug 09, 2000 @ 04:49 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
329. question for peter
     good morning sire & sires & dames what do you think of barry smiths bedelu tripoint line or joints & what are you counting it or them as also his brilliant
     Aug 09, 2000 @ 14:04 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
330. Tp BeDeLu - reply to Michael
     Dear Michael, thanks for your inquiry about the Tp BeDeLu (I m about to learn the abbrevs...- you see...): In my humble opinion this point - or pair of joint
     Aug 09, 2000 @ 14:58 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
331. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tp BeDeLu - reply to Michael
     multi awesome once again master ... awesome how you have increased them ... imho you have nothing to be humble about tho ... very very well in fact we may
     Aug 09, 2000 @ 16:07 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
332. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tp BeDeLu - reply to Michael
     The normal positional accuracy of topographic maps is often considered to be about 0.5 mm (1/50 inch), and so a 1:25,000 scale map can show positions only to
     Aug 09, 2000 @ 16:42 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
333. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tp BeDeLu - reply to Michael
     ... indeed that illuminates & enhances no more than 1 point on any normal map to represent this 1 &or perhaps these 2 & 3 points on the earth indeed these 1
     Aug 09, 2000 @ 17:53 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
334. notice the following material is highly optional & not rec
     ommended for insensitive audiences interim report on new hampshire state library promise to answer any reasonable question within a week for probably less than
     Aug 09, 2000 @ 21:55 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
335. MENBQC Photos Posted
     Photos of our expedition to the Maine - New Brunswick - Quebec tripoint are now posted on the Corner Corner at
     Aug 10, 2000 @ 13:06 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
336. MEN Photos Posted
     Photos of our visit to the northermost point in Maine are posted on the Corner Corner at http://www.realmbuilder.com/tristate/PointDetail.asp?PointID=250
     Aug 10, 2000 @ 13:07 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
337. photos devoured
     brian thanx for the pix & good to be here again i am wondering if you happen to also have a view from quoddy head facing east southeast toward grandma nan
     Aug 10, 2000 @ 15:20 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
338. isles of shoals off again
     i mean postponed again not on the road again shucks because the ferry island is a private religious community uh oh no pets allowed either oh no & the
     Aug 10, 2000 @ 16:02 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
339. Re: MEE Photos Not Developed Yet
     brian offline earlier today ... mermaids & gentle jellies i trust i am within school to share the above good news with you because i know how darned bashful
     Aug 10, 2000 @ 20:54 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
340. Corner Corner Offline
     The Corner Corner has moved to a new server with new capabilities. The site will be down for a while and will re-emerge as a [hopefully] improved version. The
     Aug 11, 2000 @ 15:33 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
341. questions for the amazing one
     & while we are waiting for mee to be properly disposed of only in toon town of course & not seriously i believe according to the rules of kibbitzing &
     Aug 11, 2000 @ 18:47 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
342. message from hrh jack the 1st king for life of us2
     friend roamers & countrypersons this is going to need several instalments but i will take leave to transcribe at length first from jacks letter to me for
     Aug 11, 2000 @ 21:18 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
343. about the enclosures from jack
     ... this casts a whole new light on the try for the point of beginning & anyone pursuing this point or topic really should read all 12 pages what they say in a
     Aug 12, 2000 @ 07:04 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
344. Estcourt station,Me. again and again...
     Thanks to Brian + Gregg for their most interesting report on their trip north - and the nice pictures...! I shall most certainly visit that place on my next
     Aug 12, 2000 @ 08:55 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
345. Re: Estcourt station,Me. again and again...
     This part of the boundary line between Canada and the United States was established in 1842 by the Treaty of Washington. The houses in question are certainly
     Aug 12, 2000 @ 12:17 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
346. Re: questions for the amazing one
     As is often the case, Mike, I have no idea what you are trying to say.
     Aug 12, 2000 @ 12:22 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
347. brass pin at ksmook
     For micheal, and others who are interested, here are pictures taken June 1991 at ksmook. You are familiar with the stone cairn which is also shown in 1999
     Aug 12, 2000 @ 14:32 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@gisco.net>)
348. Southernmost point in US
     Here is one that nobody has mentioned so far. South Cape (Ka Loe) is at the extreme southern tip of the big island. The only town in that vicinity is Naalehu
     Aug 12, 2000 @ 15:34 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@gisco.net>)
349. good day all
     yes i agree with you brian in this case i too admittedly was still groping for what i was trying to say when peters & jacks blockbusters began to arrive
     Aug 12, 2000 @ 17:22 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
350. Re: [BoundaryPoint] brass pin at ksmook
     hahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha this is the best one yet jack hahahahaha i have been waiting to see the pix til now or wouldve been back sooner & i will have
     Aug 12, 2000 @ 21:46 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
351. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Southernmost point in US
     ... who uss ... awe right we got uss & we got use youse yess jack i tink we gotta go for dose alaskan cards now too for your news tour yesss if i may offer
     Aug 12, 2000 @ 23:12 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
352. Corner Corner Silent
     By now the Internet routers are aware of the Corner Corner s new IP address (but same domain name). You will note that the site has been severely truncated.
     Aug 13, 2000 @ 01:50 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
353. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Estcourt station,Me. again and again...
     glad to re escort & station you both again & again i could not rightly follow or place you tho nor is it absolutely necessary to clarify but i thought the link
     Aug 13, 2000 @ 03:55 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
354. http://www.angelfire.com/md2/polystate2/index4.html nant
     na no analysis nt no text
     Aug 13, 2000 @ 03:57 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
355. oops link is in text
     http://www.angelfire.com/md2/polystate2/index4.html
     Aug 13, 2000 @ 04:02 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
356. Yemen-Saudi Frontier
     hot dahm saint lawrence of arabia mohawks
     Aug 13, 2000 @ 14:48 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
357. 4coner pt link in text below
     http://www.angelfire.com/md/onner/index2.html see you later out to play m
     Aug 13, 2000 @ 16:00 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
358. Jerusalem
     Perhaps Jerusalem (and Israel) is worth a visit for the BoundaryFreak. http://cliffie.nosc.mil/~NATLAS/Cities/Jerusalem.jpg Spot any tripoints? Jesper
     Aug 13, 2000 @ 19:07 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
359. Re: Jerusalem
     I didn t see any tri-points on your map, but for some major boundary definitions in this vicinity check out Joshua 10 - Joshua 22. But I don t know if they
     Aug 14, 2000 @ 01:17 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
360. Re: Estcourt station,Me. again and again...
     I think construction on the boundary is probably regulated to the point of prohibition. The boundary environs you mention on the Mohawk reservation sound
     Aug 14, 2000 @ 01:22 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
361. Re: 4coner pt link in text below
     Nice cones, Jane.
     Aug 14, 2000 @ 01:25 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
362. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Jerusalem
     hahahahaha yes jesper you have done it again hahaha this map makes it look like spratly islanders vacationing in baarle came over to the holey land for swiss
     Aug 14, 2000 @ 04:40 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
363. St. Maarten
     Just another link to St. Martin/St Maarten http://www.st-maarten.com/home.html Jesper ... From: Jack Parsell To: Bill Hanrahan Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000
     Aug 14, 2000 @ 13:07 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
364. Re: [BoundaryPoint] St. Maarten
     just indeed jesper for what a freakin nother map this is & story juxtaposing wonderland & paradise yet & with a jerusalem hearty joke for tri country as if the
     Aug 14, 2000 @ 16:18 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
365. gcebe - reply to Michael
     Dear Michael, thanks for your encouraging words about next year s expedition. As I stated before, the itinerary sent to the group was purely ment as a rough
     Aug 14, 2000 @ 20:52 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
366. Three or four Countries 161 node
     Trying again. Had not confirmed to egroups. originally setny Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 21:12:15 -0400 To: BoundaryPoint@egroups.com Dear all Thank you all for
     Aug 14, 2000 @ 21:47 - Emil Boasson (Emil Boasson <eb3@...>)
367. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Three or four Countries 161 node
     dear emil a very warm welcome back & thanxx for taking the trouble to join the group in earnest too & for your persistent efforts on our behalf it is very
     Aug 15, 2000 @ 04:43 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
368. Re: [BoundaryPoint] gcebe - reply to Michael
     various recent sovereign threads ... thank you my liege by night & by day do we also adore the many mansions of your & our multicountrydom indeed ours is no
     Aug 15, 2000 @ 18:21 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
369. Tri-Country Nodes
     For your enjoyment I have posted several maps with the Tri-Country Nodes on this site: http://www.geog.buffalo.edu/~eb3/Tri/World.html The site also includes
     Aug 15, 2000 @ 22:44 - Emil Boasson (Emil Boasson <eb3@...>)
370. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tri-Country Nodes
     very nice pointing indeed emil so thanxx & kudos to you & to david also for getting this going it is great to see at last & so vividly the overall
     Aug 16, 2000 @ 13:47 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
371. Update and correction
     Dear all, David with his sharp eye has pointed out a mistake in the URL I gave you yesterday. The correct one with access to several frames is:
     Aug 16, 2000 @ 14:48 - Emil Boasson (Emil Boasson <eb3@...>)
372. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Estcourt station,Me. again and again...
     this goes back a few days to a question i was asking brian about whether he thought the caus international boundary commission was being disingenuous in
     Aug 16, 2000 @ 22:57 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
373. the gis & the akcauses & a question for bill
     ye gads i realize from the resounding silence that my recent endeavor to be at cause rather than merely at effect in the game of amassing tri country gold may
     Aug 17, 2000 @ 14:02 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
374. great job, Emil - thanks !
     Great job, Emil - I enjoy your work - could a count on you for next year s GCEBE - would be great...! Peter
     Aug 17, 2000 @ 14:55 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
375. questions for jack & peter
     as pontiff max of canada it was of course no problem for me to liberate my mohawks unilaterally so in canadian everyones land that is already a simple fact of
     Aug 17, 2000 @ 17:15 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
376. Sv: [BoundaryPoint] questions for jack & peter
     All the confirmation and blessings you wish my son Peter ... From: michael donner To: Sent: Thursday, August
     Aug 17, 2000 @ 18:53 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
377. first 2 gold dots at least
     hahahahahahahaha ahhh hahahaha so it will be written & so it will be done & the mohawks will have their pair of golden dots or do you think they should be
     Aug 18, 2000 @ 18:18 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
378. Re: [BoundaryPoint] first 2 gold dots at least
     Is this the Caribbean counterpart for Peter s French/Swiss hotel? Jesper http://www2.gobeach.com/sxmvillas/arcadia.htm
     Aug 19, 2000 @ 18:21 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
379. Cyprus
     Cyprus border http://www.nicosia.org.cy/line.htm Jesper
     Aug 19, 2000 @ 19:45 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
380. Unknown border
     Can anyone identify this border Peter - the expert? http://198.174.169.200/unicycling/btdt/border.jpg
     Aug 19, 2000 @ 22:19 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
381. a gold dot moves about 3500 feet
     whoops it now appears from the usgs topo at http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=45.0008&lon=-74.5603&s=25&size=m i was mistaken last month to conclude that the
     Aug 20, 2000 @ 13:49 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
382. st martin unicycles & more
     multi thanxxx to jesper for yesterdays tri boundary treat especially the unicycles & the extra blast of paradise the map in the previous st martin link
     Aug 20, 2000 @ 13:58 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
383. gcebe
     this mornings contraband run has helped me to face & fess up to the following realities in relation to gcebe i realize now my enthusiasm may have been more an
     Aug 20, 2000 @ 14:29 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
384. another cancellation & continuation
     only the semicenturial conflagration of the west could have stopped me from presenting myself to the forest service at idmtwy for the necessary gate key & that
     Aug 20, 2000 @ 15:02 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
385. Sv: [BoundaryPoint] Unknown border
     Well, shouldn t be that difficult: the sign clearly says Staatsgrenze , an expression only used by the Austrians. Topography taken into consideration, this
     Aug 20, 2000 @ 15:02 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
386. Sv: [BoundaryPoint] gcebe
     Dear Michael, I just read your mail and must admit that I m really confused ! What has contraband to do with your possible participation in the GCEBE...?
     Aug 20, 2000 @ 15:07 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
387. Re: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] gcebe
     dear peter thank you i just mean i can foresee at each of the numerous customs searches we & our luggage & vehicle will inevitably endure i would be subject
     Aug 20, 2000 @ 17:57 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
388. Documents?
     Dear Boundaries Members: Greetings from Vietnam Thank you very much for the course of contacts you have been maintaining for my organization. I would like to
     Aug 21, 2000 @ 02:39 - han@cori.ac.vn (han@...)
389. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Documents?
     dear pho hoang han thank you for this interesting question which i imagine you may have intended to direct also or especially to the international
     Aug 21, 2000 @ 13:25 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
390. a tangent about americas forgotten exclaves
     thanxx to information provided by boundarypoint member arif samad & http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=40.6973&lon=-74.041&s=50&size=s it is now possible to
     Aug 21, 2000 @ 18:10 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
391. Sv: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] gcebe
     Dear Michael, thanks for your mail. I m still a bit confused, please enlighten me about your reasons for withdrawing from our expedition at this early
     Aug 21, 2000 @ 18:40 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
392. Re: Sv: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] gcebe
     If I remember Peter Herring is one of the best Sherry type of vine and made in Danmark. There are several Western European Countries not communist countries
     Aug 21, 2000 @ 19:08 - Emil Boasson (Emil Boasson <eb3@...>)
393. Re: Sv: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] gcebe
     I would like to contribute to the border control issue. A colleague of mine returned from the yearly European car holiday - driving all the way from Denmark to
     Aug 21, 2000 @ 19:26 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
394. Re: Sv: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] gcebe
     ... And you better bring your passport if you are traveling to li (unless arriving from ch), but I didn t need anything to enter gl from is or to enter is from
     Aug 21, 2000 @ 19:28 - rhall@quadritek.com (rhall@...)
395. Re: Sv: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] gcebe
     thanxxxx again peter & now emil & jesper & randy too for whatever the outcome it is a great pleasure to be raising so much dust about this or anything
     Aug 21, 2000 @ 22:00 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
396. Re: Sv: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] gcebe
     ... This stirs up the Icelanders national pride. Usually we would like to keep our feet in two boats, as the Chines say. One one occasion we sense we are
     Aug 21, 2000 @ 22:27 - Emil Boasson (Emil Boasson <eb3@...>)
397. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Documents?
     Dear Mr. Donnor Thank you very much for you thoughtfull advice, i will try my best to keep contact and ofcourse to sharethings woith our members. Thank you han
     Aug 24, 2000 @ 01:41 - han@cori.ac.vn (han@...)
398. Sv: Sv: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] gcebe
     Dear Emil, thanks for reminding me of the resemblance of my name and the Sherry. Some facts: Peter Heering is a Liqueur made of cherries and is spelt with a
     Aug 22, 2000 @ 09:43 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
399. Peter Heering
     Kære Peter Thanks for correcting my spelling of Peter Heering. I guess that discussion on that excellent liqueur is a bit out of point and beyond the
     Aug 22, 2000 @ 13:51 - Emil Boasson (Emil Boasson <eb3@...>)
400. Cutting Through the Crap
     I believe Mike is asking the question Will anyone be concerned if I try to carry illegal drugs across national boundaries during the GCEBE? Mike, pardon me
     Aug 22, 2000 @ 15:28 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
401. Re: Sv: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] gcebe
     hey you guys ecstatic to see you so beside the point & yourselves indeed the point & the pointer are one so anything we can learn about one another is very
     Aug 22, 2000 @ 17:07 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
402. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cutting Through the Crap
     thank you my wizard i wish i had said that & you are permanently pardoned for anything m
     Aug 22, 2000 @ 17:08 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
403. Sv: [BoundaryPoint] Peter Heering
     Kære Emil, jeg havde helt overset at du - naturligvis - også taler dansk. In exchange for my explaining the somehow confusing realities about the Heerings
     Aug 22, 2000 @ 18:10 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
404. Re: [BoundaryPoint] a tangent about americas forgotten exclaves
     By a May 26 1998 ruling of the US Supreme Court, Ellis Island is now divided between two states. New York retains only about 5 acres (including the main
     Aug 22, 2000 @ 18:15 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
405. Re: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] Peter Heering
     You mentioned North cape, and I have a question: ... Why would you call North Cape the Northernmost point of Continental Europe , since it is on an island??
     Aug 22, 2000 @ 19:42 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
406. Re: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] Peter Heering
     i agree if i may butt in so the true 7 continents of the world mateys are in size places 1 afroeurasia 2 america 3 antarctica 4 australia 5 greenland 6 new
     Aug 22, 2000 @ 20:15 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
407. Re: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] Peter Heering
     You are right my name is not highly Nordic, but my ancestors arrived around 1100 years ago from Norway and Ireland. Some of them were rather religious and
     Aug 22, 2000 @ 20:56 - Emil Boasson (Emil Boasson <eb3@...>)
408. Re: [BoundaryPoint] a tangent about americas forgotten exclaves
     another delicious one david & so 1 of our 3 great exclave bubbles has a st martins line now too & probably both entire islands are entirely federal besides
     Aug 22, 2000 @ 21:18 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
409. hey ive got to tell you
     just because we have a gusher going here lately too there was an incredibly interesting oilpatch memo that just blew thru ibru ooh i hope you guys keep that up
     Aug 22, 2000 @ 21:54 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
410. Re: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] Peter Heering
     & so the only real trans ultracontinental superpowers still standing in the world are again in size places 1 australia 2 denmark 3 indonesia
     Aug 22, 2000 @ 22:26 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
411. Sv: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] Peter Heering
     Dear Mark, thanks for your mail. Technically you re right, absolutely - because the North Cape is situated on Magerøya (øya meens island in Norwegian). -
     Aug 23, 2000 @ 08:17 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
412. the truth first about st martin
     http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=48.995&lon=-100.21&size=s&s=25 shows 2 international islands smaller than st martin the westerly of these is the smallest
     Aug 23, 2000 @ 15:43 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
413. how much truth can we stand
     the true continents & their owners continued the exercise of determining the true continents & their controlling countries which was so well begun yesterday
     Aug 23, 2000 @ 16:46 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
414. Re: [BoundaryPoint] the truth first about st martin
     Michael That is a very great map. That eastern island looks extremely interesting. I would like to see a closer look at the island. I wonder if there any
     Aug 23, 2000 @ 17:10 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
415. Re: [BoundaryPoint] the truth first about st martin
     How about the border on the island between Namibia-Zimbabwe-Zambia-Botswana? J
     Aug 23, 2000 @ 17:14 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
416. continents
     No one here is going to redefine the continents. I still think it is a more interesting question to find out the boundries of the actual ones. Questions like
     Aug 23, 2000 @ 18:01 - rhall@quadritek.com (rhall@...)
417. Re: [BoundaryPoint] the truth first about st martin
     thanx jesper glad you like it ... the topo shows monuments 706 & 707 off to either side of the lake & the ibc monument list at
     Aug 23, 2000 @ 21:43 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
418. Re: [BoundaryPoint] continents
     good man i just wanted to know what they really tasted like urrp i didnt mean to redefine them i am sure columbia still owns new york & i know i wasnt neat on
     Aug 23, 2000 @ 23:29 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
420. Quebec/Vermont Island/Peninsula Boundaries
     I found the following maps on my CD-ROM: http://www.realmbuilder.com/tristate/ProvinceIsland.html shows the island in Lake Memphemagog that Mike mentioned.
     Aug 24, 2000 @ 15:03 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
421. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Quebec/Vermont Island/Peninsula Boundaries
     wonderful cherries on the sundaes brian i am pretty sure that yours is the elusive correct island too while my guess for jesper was very probably off here we
     Aug 24, 2000 @ 17:19 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
422. US tripoints on Corner Corner
     Great tripoint shots on Corner Corner A pity they are so tiny though. Anybody we know on the photos? I would also like to more explanations, for some of them
     Aug 24, 2000 @ 18:07 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
423. Scandinavian border islands
     I had no luck finding the Scandinavian border island, but I think a found another one. Go to http://www.hvor.no and search for mosvikøya in sted. Jesper
     Aug 24, 2000 @ 19:55 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
424. Re: US tripoints on Corner Corner
     ... I decided to put up some thumbnail photos while I am working on the site. Sorry for the small size, but anything bigger would create a huge download
     Aug 24, 2000 @ 20:00 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
425. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: US tripoints on Corner Corner
     ... I thought you had a beard (from the photo posted to the egroups-site) Do you have an (online) photo of Mike?! Jesper
     Aug 24, 2000 @ 20:14 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
426. Re: [BoundaryPoint] continents
     randy just wanting to add i really did appreciate your many questions even tho i probably cant really answer most of them & enjoyed the adventures behind them
     Aug 25, 2000 @ 01:40 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
427. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: US tripoints on Corner Corner
     glad to chirp in here too ... yes i was already under arrest as a suspicious character there in the uptight blufftop community of east dubuque illinois when
     Aug 25, 2000 @ 01:42 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
428. Re: US tripoints on Corner Corner
     ... the ... access ... site) ... I do have a beard sometimes (like now). I just added names to the photos that show people or animals. Unfortunately, knowing
     Aug 25, 2000 @ 02:52 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
429. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: US tripoints on Corner Corner
     the unknown good looking person at aznvut is red rogers father of the mormon mind meld there he is a pilgrim in progress but he is back again & looking even
     Aug 25, 2000 @ 11:00 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
430. Re: US tripoints on Corner Corner
     Photo captions updated to include Red Rogers. BJB
     Aug 25, 2000 @ 12:36 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
431. Jack Parsell's Book On-Line
     Jack Parsell s excellent book, Tri-state Corners in the United States is now available on-line in PDF format at the Corner Corner
     Aug 25, 2000 @ 20:53 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
432. michael donner
     I am starting to view Mike as somebody like bigfoot. There is something mysterious about him - he is always writing in non-capital letters, and the only first
     Aug 26, 2000 @ 14:03 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
433. St. Marten and ruler borders
     Thanks for the follow up on St Martin and the border island. I was positively surprised to realize that even Scandinavia have these small border islands. Peter
     Aug 26, 2000 @ 14:19 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
434. Hisön, International islands
     I found this http://www.brastad.nu/Pages/Restext.htm looking for the split island Hison or Hisön. This site is about a school expedition along the NO-SE
     Aug 26, 2000 @ 15:41 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
435. Lake Constance - at last !
     Hi everybody! Remember our concern about Lake Constance... it wasn t quite clear wether this tripoint GeSuAt was officially recognised... Now I have officiaL
     Aug 27, 2000 @ 18:46 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
436. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
     Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File :
     Aug 28, 2000 @ 12:49 - BoundaryPoint@egroups.com ( <BoundaryPoint@egroups.com>)
437. laorospo: The Blue Dot Mystery
     laorospo: The Blue Dot Mystery has been uploaded to the FILES section and is available for download. Although on a tertiary (county) level, laorospo is the
     Aug 28, 2000 @ 12:54 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
438. Re: Hisön, International islands
     ... I have contacted the two Swedish municipalities, and they both confirm an administrative tripoint. Can you beat that in N-America? Jesper
     Aug 28, 2000 @ 19:10 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
439. hey poignant ones
     first multi mega salutes & thanxxx to jack & brian & bill & jesper & peter for the many recent great gifts & developments serious as well as humorous i will
     Sep 05, 2000 @ 00:01 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
440. Re: Fwd: [BoundaryPoint] Re: His–n , International islands
     ... i dont think we can that is positively awesome an insular international or first class trisubdivisional point i know the much larger islands of
     Sep 05, 2000 @ 19:59 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
441. enormously entertained
     ... hahahahaha that is too much i admit i wear a size 12 or 13 shoe if i ever wear any & would you believe harry is my father but that is hugely funny &
     Sep 05, 2000 @ 20:00 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
442. Michael's journeys
     Congratulations on getting at least close to where we think the original marker at ohpawv was located. I have been there twice and the second time gave up
     Sep 06, 2000 @ 05:01 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
443. Re: Fwd: [BoundaryPoint] Lake Constance - at last !
     ... peter right on & nice work to even contemplate all these wonderfully creative possibilities so lets keep this ball rolling now i have been trying to
     Sep 06, 2000 @ 07:06 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
444. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Michael's journeys
     from jack ... thank you my liege it was our second try there too the management even gave us free run of the place this time rather than the more usual
     Sep 06, 2000 @ 09:43 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
445. Re: Fwd: [BoundaryPoint] laorospo: The Blue Dot Mystery
     ... thanx bill this was great for me to relive in any sequence even while unsure if i got all the text or if you included pix because of my lame file download
     Sep 06, 2000 @ 09:45 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
446. Re: Fwd: [BoundaryPoint] laorospo: The Blue Dot Mystery
     Mike, it s great to have you back...however brief your trip! I know we re all eagerly awaiting the pictures! Speaking of photos, I had intended to post the
     Sep 06, 2000 @ 10:52 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
447. laorospo 1
     
     Sep 06, 2000 @ 11:02 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@kua.net>)
448. FW: laorospo 2
     
     Sep 06, 2000 @ 11:02 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@kua.net>)
449. FW: laorospo 3
     
     Sep 06, 2000 @ 11:03 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@kua.net>)
450. laorospo 4
     
     Sep 06, 2000 @ 11:03 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@kua.net>)
451. laorospo 5
     
     Sep 06, 2000 @ 11:04 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@kua.net>)
452. laorospo 6
     
     Sep 06, 2000 @ 11:04 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@kua.net>)
453. laorospo 7
     
     Sep 06, 2000 @ 11:05 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@kua.net>)
454. laorospo 8
     
     Sep 06, 2000 @ 11:05 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@kua.net>)
455. laorospo 9
     
     Sep 06, 2000 @ 11:06 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@kua.net>)
456. laorospo 10
     
     Sep 06, 2000 @ 11:06 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@kua.net>)
457. laorospo photos
     The individual photos of laorospo (tertiary quadpoint of four Florida counties) refer to the Blue Dot Mystery file posted in the files section. The photo
     Sep 06, 2000 @ 11:18 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
458. Monaco
     Does anyone know greater maps of Monaco than this? http://www.tripprep.com/destina/destina_maps/political/121_political.html Jesper
     Sep 06, 2000 @ 20:00 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
459. Re: Fwd: [BoundaryPoint] laorospo: The Blue Dot Mystery
     thanxx my fellow character jane is already blissfully at play with the pictures so something should be happening soon & i have a feeling everyone is saying
     Sep 07, 2000 @ 19:34 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
460. Re: Book
     ... no i only got an official photocopy of the 1954 edition & wonder if your query after 1964 wasnt really doing double duty because if you do know of anything
     Sep 07, 2000 @ 19:35 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
461. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Monaco
     ... certainly no handsomer nor more intriguing than this but you got me wanting to see again the topless bathing beauties on the beach & the curved facade of
     Sep 07, 2000 @ 19:35 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
462. Re: Fwd: [BoundaryPoint] laorospo: The Blue Dot Mystery
     Wonderfully summarized! (But now I m curious about the supposed IBRU gaffe...!!)
     Sep 08, 2000 @ 01:17 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
463. Re: Book
     I had always assumed that the Manitoba-Saskatchewan
     Sep 08, 2000 @ 01:28 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
464. Re: Book
     ... ahh thanx i will follow up on that date ... a rare case where i am not sure i understand you for tho i dont pretend to grasp all this new nicholson data
     Sep 08, 2000 @ 05:00 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
465. Re: Fwd: [BoundaryPoint] laorospo: The Blue Dot Mystery
     ... thanxx mlord well you know when you learned of the corner corner thru ibru it was as a result of a link given there by a generally appreciative gentleman
     Sep 08, 2000 @ 05:00 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
466. the book
     hahahahaha wait the joke is on me i just learned the boundaries of canada 1954 has no 1964 update but a much enlarged & improved 1979 edition that may still be
     Sep 08, 2000 @ 15:07 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
467. early nypa rushes
     mice roar at http://www.angelfire.com/md2/polystate4/index.html & jump page
     Sep 08, 2000 @ 18:01 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
468. Re: [BoundaryPoint] early nypa rushes
     Still haven t seen that close up shot of mike though :-) Jesper ... From: michael donner To: Sent: Friday,
     Sep 08, 2000 @ 18:12 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
469. Cyprus
     I was here (not my photo though) http://www.hellas.org/cyprus/images/cyfrou-1.jpg This is were Greek Cyprus stops. You climp up the stairs, the wall is the
     Sep 08, 2000 @ 20:27 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
470. New border link found
     http://garnet.acns.fsu.edu/~phensel/territory.html enjoy - jesper
     Sep 08, 2000 @ 20:29 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
471. I did it again
     I found another photographed tripoint on the net!! FINORU http://www.pasvik-cafe.no/images600/galleriet/roysa.jpg http://www.pasvik-cafe.no/treriksroysa.htm
     Sep 09, 2000 @ 12:18 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
472. FINORU
     Just a little detail of the FINORU point: not only do three countrys meet, also three time zones!! Jesper
     Sep 09, 2000 @ 12:22 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
473. FINOSE
     Another angle of the old FINOSE-point Jesper
     Sep 09, 2000 @ 12:23 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
474. Re: [BoundaryPoint] I did it again
     ... you certainly did & what a fineroo so out of a total of about 160 continental trinationals this pushes our collection well into the teens i believe for
     Sep 09, 2000 @ 17:19 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
475. Re: [BoundaryPoint] FINOSE
     ... did you mean to link to something here i love to hear you talking in iso anyway
     Sep 09, 2000 @ 17:20 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
476. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New border link found
     ... haha overload achieved & we are swimming in it now thanx to you
     Sep 09, 2000 @ 17:20 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
477. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cyprus
     jesper ... yes it was just dont touch & go there for years but then it all seems to have hardened up like crazy glue while nobody was noticing on this map
     Sep 09, 2000 @ 17:20 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
478. Re: [BoundaryPoint] early nypa rushes
     ... hahaha we are married only a few weeks & you keep asking for head already ok ok but i am not responsible this one of me wearing my quadripointing head goes
     Sep 09, 2000 @ 17:21 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
479. daily caus line
     in view of the lingering uncertainties about the status of many canadian american tripoints some comprehensive reassessment of them is long overdue & yet such
     Sep 09, 2000 @ 17:22 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
480. Re: [BoundaryPoint] early nypa rushes
     Link doesn t work JN ... From: michael donner To: Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2000 7:21 PM Subject: Re:
     Sep 09, 2000 @ 17:22 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
481. Re: [BoundaryPoint] FINOSE
     Sorry http://www.fagmed.uit.no/~royal/bilder-html/bilder-m-html/07m.html Jesper
     Sep 09, 2000 @ 17:23 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
482. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cyprus
     I haven t been able to find a good Cyprus map online. I have a much better one, that I will bring to Peter one day to scan, so we can post it for the group.
     Sep 09, 2000 @ 17:26 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
483. RE: [BoundaryPoint] early nypa rushes
     Ha ha! We love ya, Mick! we are married only a few weeks & you keep asking for head already ok ok but i am not responsible this one of me wearing my
     Sep 09, 2000 @ 18:19 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
484. Re: [BoundaryPoint] early nypa rushes
     ... whoops please try me again at http://www.mohawk.net/~barbaria/md2.gif m
     Sep 09, 2000 @ 18:41 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
485. Re: [BoundaryPoint] FINOSE
     positively stunning & deserves to be made into the first tri country jigsaw puzzle also it is now clear this is our first confirmed marked wet point tho very
     Sep 09, 2000 @ 19:08 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
486. RE: [BoundaryPoint] early nypa rushes
     ... i should have signed it msasquatch
     Sep 09, 2000 @ 21:24 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
487. more nafta fare
     my fellow naftafarians please engorge a moment if you would on the delicate pastels shapes lines & points of
     Sep 09, 2000 @ 22:46 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
488. Photo essay web site on select CAUS border points
     Photo essay web site on select CAUS border points: http://www.geocities.com/jidanni/1994us_can_border.htm
     Sep 10, 2000 @ 06:17 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
490. File - Tijuana crossing.jpg
     File : Tijuana crossing.jpg Description : Tijuana border crossing
     Sep 10, 2000 @ 08:03 - BoundaryPoint@egroups.com (BoundaryPoint@egroups.com )
491. Re: [BoundaryPoint] more nafta fare
     Interesting border line between 14 and 32! Jesper ... From: michael donner To: Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000
     Sep 10, 2000 @ 14:31 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
492. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: FINORU
     Bill, Yes the link is under e-mail named I did it again , but I will post it again for you: http://www.pasvik-cafe.no/images600/galleriet/roysa.jpg
     Sep 10, 2000 @ 14:35 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
493. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: FINORU
     Thanks Jesper...I had subsequently found it after I had posted the message. I d bet that that FINORU wasn t too accessible a few years back! Bill
     Sep 10, 2000 @ 16:21 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
494. San Marino
     http://www.inthenet.sm/geografia.htm
     Sep 10, 2000 @ 19:20 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
495. Re: [BoundaryPoint] San Marino
     from jesper ... ahh very nice that makes the world cup independent country swallowing totals as follows italy 2 south africa 1
     Sep 10, 2000 @ 22:42 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
496. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Photo essay web site on select CAUS border points
     ... delicious of you to send out for chinese too some beauties here & lets not forget to add these mbndsk & mtndsk tripoint photos to the corner corner when we
     Sep 10, 2000 @ 22:42 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
497. Re: [BoundaryPoint] more nafta fare
     ... y ... it almost crosses itself there are actually several necks or waists of these states jalisco & zacatecas each only a few miles wide but i think none
     Sep 10, 2000 @ 22:43 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
498. Re: [BoundaryPoint] File - Tijuana crossing.jpg
     ... thanx bill for this timely help getting back into mexico & indeed at just the right point to begin our comprehensive inspection tour of the major mexican
     Sep 10, 2000 @ 22:43 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
499. mexico & nafta supertotals
     entonces mis amigos there were a few delightful surprises last night south of the border mainly the following 1 mexico does appear on closer examination to
     Sep 10, 2000 @ 22:43 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
500. RE: [BoundaryPoint] File - Tijuana crossing.jpg
     I m not sure why that one came up...it was actually posted quite a while ago...I guess the software must like that shot. ... From: michael donner
     Sep 10, 2000 @ 23:03 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
501. RE: [BoundaryPoint] File - Tijuana crossing.jpg
     oh no hahahahaha thats too much well it sure was a big help to me & i was wanting a do over on this one too ... Re: [BoundaryPoint] File - Tijuana
     Sep 11, 2000 @ 00:13 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
502. backwards home run with rain delay
     under the title polystates or whatever composed this time by jc are the balance of the pix of all 3 bases of our nypa & ohpawv trip at
     Sep 11, 2000 @ 02:51 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
503. Mike's photograph - congrats !
     Hi again - hopefully all of you have had a great weekend.. Mike - at last .... a picture of the one and only Michael - congratulations - four Mikes in one
     Sep 11, 2000 @ 10:03 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
504. meanwhile back at the world class
     good god peter it is really you at last thank you i broke up with my wife so i dont know if she can yet awesome news about the imminent doubling of our tri
     Sep 11, 2000 @ 14:56 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
505. BorderPictures
     Hello Friends I have added a few border-picture-links to http://www.image.dk/~jesniel/border/border.htm Look for Andorra, Denmark and Azerbaijan. I admit the
     Sep 11, 2000 @ 19:18 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
506. Left hand driving
     Apologies for bringing up a subject little to do with boundaries. But in case it has interesting, here it is:
     Sep 11, 2000 @ 20:23 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
507. Fw: my mini photo essay on finding boundary monuments on the US / CAN border
     sorry to bore, but incase you mailing list members didnt know: Dan Jacobson ¼¶¼g©ó¶l¥ó news:... ... So ... I m ... i did
     Sep 11, 2000 @ 22:23 - Dan Jacobson=¿n¤¦¥§ ("Dan Jacobson=¿n¤¦¥§" <jidanni@...>)
508. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fw: my mini photo essay on finding boundary monuments on the US / CAN border
     welcome dan & wife & thanxx for showing up & with pix & promo yet fantastic to meet up with you you havent & indeed cant bore us on this topic we have been
     Sep 11, 2000 @ 23:40 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
509. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Left hand driving
     It might have little to do with boundaries, but it s fascinating stuff...it must appeal to the pointer-bounder brain...a variant on the left and right brain
     Sep 12, 2000 @ 00:05 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
510. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Fw: my mini photo essay on finding boundary monuments on the US / CAN border
     Well said, Mike. Dan, I think your expedition is right up our collective alley! Bill
     Sep 12, 2000 @ 00:08 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
511. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BorderPictures
     jesper andorra & azerbaijan links need a fix but was that your bust i saw in a new dedk link also i like your map very much as is while understanding your
     Sep 12, 2000 @ 05:15 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
512. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Left hand driving
     excursions & tangents as interesting as this one are widely enjoyed here so no need to ever hesitate or apologize about such borderline calls if we were always
     Sep 12, 2000 @ 05:16 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
513. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: US tripoints on Corner Corner
     hi again you may recall the repeat message attached below & its hilarious photo link skyjackings by angelfire which jc & i have just restored in the body of
     Sep 12, 2000 @ 05:16 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
514. Lake Constance - pending, not forgotten..
     Hello everybody, no, Mike, I haven t forgotten the Lake Constance problem at all... quite frankly, I feel we ve reached a point where there can t be made any
     Sep 12, 2000 @ 09:30 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
515. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Lake Constance - pending, not forgotten..
     thanx peter on balance this is great news indeed you are cordially invited one & all to visit & stay with us in connecticut at that time or any time we can
     Sep 12, 2000 @ 16:33 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
516. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BorderPictures
     Sorry about the broken links. As a bonus I have added an Arabian one. Jesper ... From: michael donner To: Sent:
     Sep 12, 2000 @ 17:55 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
517. Recent Adventures
     Here s New York South: http://www.realmbuilder.com/tristate/pointdetail.php3?point=263 Here s Maine East:
     Sep 12, 2000 @ 18:01 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
518. Re: [BoundaryPoint] San Marino
     Having a South African wife, I would like to bring a interesting comment here. In the SA passport is a map of southern Africa, with the Republic of South
     Sep 12, 2000 @ 19:41 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
519. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Recent Adventures
     all nys ones mee friends & a gorgeous new format & look for the corner corner brian major congrats but especially pleased to see your enthusiasm for dumps &
     Sep 12, 2000 @ 20:18 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
520. Re: [BoundaryPoint] San Marino
     ... haha hahahaa hahaha that is the funniest question i ever heard hahahahaha so may i conclude we have not been taking the lovely name of nicolette in vain
     Sep 12, 2000 @ 20:17 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
521. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BorderPictures
     all 3 new sets enjoyed in great condition thanxxx many gorgeous pix well worth the wait
     Sep 12, 2000 @ 20:17 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
522. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Fw: my mini photo essay on finding boundary monuments on the US / CAN border
     thank you bill & dan i would like to compliment you also on all the fine squiggles you have managed to work into your address handle i wonder if there is a
     Sep 12, 2000 @ 20:18 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
523. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Left hand driving
     ... stuff...it must appeal to the pointer-bounder brain...a variant on the ... scary, dudes, to know what else we have in common... my full investigaion of l/r
     Sep 12, 2000 @ 22:04 - Dan Jacobson=¿n¤¦¥§ ("Dan Jacobson=¿n¤¦¥§" <jidanni@...>)
524. New Jersey East
     One more for the road: http://www.realmbuilder.com/tristate/pointdetail.php3?point=264 BJB
     Sep 12, 2000 @ 22:05 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
525. RE: [BoundaryPoint] New Jersey East
     Re: The Corner Corner...beautiful site design.
     Sep 12, 2000 @ 22:42 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
526. binational quadripoints
     to confirm both instances of international boundaries actually touching or crossing themselves as previously suggested 1 belgium holland at
     Sep 12, 2000 @ 23:44 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
527. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New Jersey East
     ... wait dont go yet handsome you do appear to have reached the northeast corner of continental & dry new jersey as well as the only albeit oft forgotten
     Sep 13, 2000 @ 01:54 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
528. Re: New Jersey East
     Well, I was strongly influenced by the fact that the other projections are west of the northeast corner of NJ. This is the case according to close measurement
     Sep 13, 2000 @ 02:31 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
531. Connecticut - Massachusetts - Rhode Island
     http://www.realmbuilder.com/tristate/pointdetail.php3?point=20 BJB
     Sep 13, 2000 @ 02:36 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
532. Massachusetts - New Hampshire - Vermont
     Check out the Parsell chapter link and the ruverlow data link http://www.realmbuilder.com/tristate/pointdetail.php3?point=53 BJB
     Sep 13, 2000 @ 02:37 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
533. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Connecticut - Massachusetts - Rhode Island
     Note that the photo of Mike was carefully timed at dusk so as to help shield his face from local law enforcement...
     Sep 13, 2000 @ 02:50 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
534. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Connecticut - Massachusetts - Rhode Island
     ... haha you know me pal & it says right there i took it tho it was a polaroid too
     Sep 13, 2000 @ 04:04 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
535. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: New Jersey East
     ahh very neat no tidal bore here i have passed thru the spot & down & up those cliffs in youthful bliss & ignorance certainly never saw nor imagined station
     Sep 13, 2000 @ 04:04 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
536. Re: New Jersey East
     I realized I had a couple more pictures of the NJE shoreline area. One faces south and the other faces west. The southward facing photo shows some rocks I
     Sep 13, 2000 @ 17:54 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
537. Tides at Tarrytown
     It turns out there is a 3.5 foot tidal range at Tarrytown and I have cleverly updated the NJE page at
     Sep 13, 2000 @ 18:08 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
538. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: New Jersey East
     awesome thank you for your devotion to truth that was worth the outage by the same token wyo & colo must have their cards as surveyed in microreality or dont
     Sep 13, 2000 @ 19:02 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
539. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: New Jersey East
     awesome thank you for your devotion to truth that was worth the outage by the same token wyo & colo must have their cards as surveyed in microreality or dont
     Sep 13, 2000 @ 20:02 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
540. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: New Jersey East
     perhaps i have again not made myself clear & perhaps it is not terribly important either inasmuch as cardinal pointing is really just a diversion anyway from
     Sep 14, 2000 @ 00:21 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
541. Re: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
     ... The Baarle examples look like read self-interscting or figure-8 international border points, binational quadripoints is a good term. ... If you click to
     Sep 14, 2000 @ 01:12 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
542. Re: New Jersey East
     You were loud and clear. I agree that every straight boundary punctuated with nodes is probably not straight but segmented, with a particular node more
     Sep 14, 2000 @ 01:20 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
543. Re: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
     thanx david & great to hear from you you are right about the inaccuracy of the mapquest map so please bear with me while i search again for a better map or
     Sep 14, 2000 @ 03:13 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
544. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: New Jersey East
     ... nicely put ... that is beautiful too & you can count on pontiff max to mentally supply the word dry for you whenever appropriate & the canada dry whenever
     Sep 14, 2000 @ 04:25 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
545. Re: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
     Besides the two points mentioned earlier where boundaries cross each other between Germany-Austria and Belgium-Netherlands, there is a third such point between
     Sep 14, 2000 @ 14:56 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
546. Re: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
     welcome dear old friend & multibenefactor & what magnificent new gift tidings you bring from the east that elusive third item i had a hunch it had to be there
     Sep 14, 2000 @ 18:00 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
547. probable tertiary megapoints of the united states
     the following list in progress is a state by state summary of complex subdivisional conjunctions within the individual & collective united states including
     Sep 14, 2000 @ 18:07 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
548. I saw the l-r driving list and am certain I was the original creator before I left the net back in '92...
     hello l-r driving list maintainer, hello, I saw the l-r driving list [table] and am certain I was the original creator before I left the net back in 92... not
     Sep 14, 2000 @ 18:04 - Dan Jacobson=¿n¤¦¥§ ("Dan Jacobson=¿n¤¦¥§" <jidanni@...>)
549. Re: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
     this is my third try to post this & i apologize for the disrupted sequence or duplication ... awesome baby you know i scarcely can wait especially hoping for
     Sep 14, 2000 @ 18:37 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
550. Re: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
     this is my second try to post this & i apologize for the busted sequence ... awesome baby you know i scarcely can wait especially hoping for any witness of
     Sep 14, 2000 @ 18:31 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
551. RE: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
     Message to Peter re: Baarle maps and photos: Bring it on! Bill ... From: michael donner [mailto:m@discovernet.net] Sent: Thursday, September 14,
     Sep 14, 2000 @ 19:30 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
552. Sv: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
     Hi David, re: Jungholz, AT: thanks for your research on this phantastic geographical blowhole - or gap. I just received my topo- map on Jungholz (1:25.000).
     Sep 14, 2000 @ 19:29 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
553. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fw: my mini photo essay on finding boundary monuments on the US / CAN border
     Dan, It is really a great site. I like particulary the comments on the pictures showing where the border actually go. Sometime I find a link to my
     Sep 14, 2000 @ 19:37 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
554. Re: probable tertiary megapoints of the united states
     why mega?
     Sep 14, 2000 @ 19:37 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
555. Re: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
     I mail this before, but the mail don t appear so I try again. About the binational quadripoints in Baarle we better ask Peter. He has shown me great maps and
     Sep 14, 2000 @ 19:39 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
556. State Boundary Monument Data Base
     Anybody seen this before? Jesper http://www.rdms.udel.edu/dgs/boundary.html
     Sep 14, 2000 @ 19:52 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
557. Quiz
     Where is this? http://www.travelfacts.com/tfacts/htm/sxm/monu.htm Jesper
     Sep 14, 2000 @ 19:56 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
558. St. Martin
     Can anybody make this work? I cannot. Jesper http://www.stmartinstmaarten.com/pano/LowlandsBM.html
     Sep 14, 2000 @ 20:05 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
559. Re: [BoundaryPoint] St. Martin
     Works fine on iMac. I guess that you need to install QuickTime from Apple, is also available for PC. Then it does not work on my NT, is missing some
     Sep 14, 2000 @ 20:34 - Emil Boasson (Emil Boasson <eb3@...>)
560. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Quiz
     I * think * it may be a border monument on St. Martin marking the French/Dutch border. Bill ... From: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen [mailto:jesniel@image.dk]
     Sep 14, 2000 @ 21:08 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
561. Re: State Boundary Monument Data Base
     This link was on the old Corner Corner and I ll probably put it back on the new one. Also, Mike just mentioned this database in reference to the kinks in the
     Sep 14, 2000 @ 23:31 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
562. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: probable tertiary megapoints of the united states
     from brian earlier ... in a word whimsy but your question tho short deserves better than a glib answer for it is actually a mega question & i thank you for
     Sep 15, 2000 @ 04:14 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
563. Re: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
     i have also found the egroups mail reception unreliable since the recent outage so may i suggest checking back an hour or so after each posting that you send
     Sep 15, 2000 @ 05:02 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
564. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Quiz
     ... nice call bill you had the answer before i even saw the question was it all the steps we noticed in message 314 that tipped you the change in perspective
     Sep 15, 2000 @ 05:04 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
565. Re: probable tertiary megapoints of the united states
     Point taken. I am accustomed to seeing mega used as a prefix usually meaning a million or more specifically 2 to the 20th power or 1,048,576 as in
     Sep 15, 2000 @ 10:52 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
566. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Quiz
     Actually, I had seen that photo before on the web. Bill
     Sep 15, 2000 @ 11:48 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
567. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: probable tertiary megapoints of the united states
     you betcha hahaha giga always makes me laugh & your use of mega never occurred to me because i am so computer dumb hahaha honest to goodness still i rightly
     Sep 15, 2000 @ 14:36 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
568. jungholz gig
     look david peter arif jesper & perhaps everyone else as well i owe you all a gigapology about jungholz it is not like me to be so multimistaken
     Sep 15, 2000 @ 14:53 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
569. Re: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
     When I went to Bangladesh, a friend from the boundaries database I am on showed maps (1:62500) of the Bangladesh-India enclave area. A possible intersecting
     Sep 15, 2000 @ 15:17 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
570. Re: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
     Michael, I accidentally send the previous e-mail just to you, I think. If I didn t send the e-mail to the list and if you feel it would be justified in going
     Sep 15, 2000 @ 15:18 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
571. Re: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
     Well studying Peter s Baarle map shows enclaves inside enclaves. It is a pity that we won´ t be able to scan his stuff on Sunday, so we can share it with you.
     Sep 15, 2000 @ 19:11 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
572. Mittelberg
     We have all been talking Jungholz, but so far nobody has mentioned Mittelberg, Austria. Mittelberg is not a traditional enclave, but rather a psysical enclave.
     Sep 15, 2000 @ 19:28 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
573. Link
     http://www.steane.com/egtre/xings/crossings.htm Perhaps an interesting link. Jesper
     Sep 15, 2000 @ 19:39 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
574. Re: [BoundaryPoint] border intersections
     from arif ... wonderful i sensed it might be there & i agree with you the term binational quadripoints is questionable since intersecting borders are clearly
     Sep 15, 2000 @ 19:56 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
575. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Link
     ... quote persons from outside the eu countries have to carry a passport & are supposed to report to border officials if they can find them hahahahahahahaha
     Sep 15, 2000 @ 20:54 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
576. Re: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
     We ordered an excellent detailed Baarle map, 1:10,000 I think. Scanning was not really an option so we digitized all the borders and produced maps with a GIS
     Sep 16, 2000 @ 01:30 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
577. Re: Link
     Not just in Europe. When Gregg and I crossed from Canada into the US at Estcourt Station, Maine there appeared to be nobody at the US Customs house (which I
     Sep 16, 2000 @ 01:52 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
578. Re: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
     dear david & barry too for a long time now i have been in great respect of all these maps & thanx to your work on them i even fancied at one point that i
     Sep 16, 2000 @ 05:03 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
579. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Link
     you are the amazing ones brian this is gorgeous stuff multi kudos ... i wonder was she la txus the last marine
     Sep 16, 2000 @ 16:58 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
580. more jack than me
     jack came back in late last night via usmails regular camel & we are still celebrating here now some words as directly as possible from him get on Boundary
     Sep 16, 2000 @ 17:48 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
581. correction
     recently under why mega i misspoke in naming coksok as the tristate point with the busiest guest register averaging a visitor a day but coksok actually has
     Sep 16, 2000 @ 19:58 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
582. Multimap
     I found this map-maker http://www.multimap.com It is very fast. Jesper
     Sep 16, 2000 @ 20:26 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
583. Re: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
     Ok, about the Jungholz area being a border-intersection point, I am hoping that one exists and as I have too often seen cartographic inaccuracy for simplicity,
     Sep 17, 2000 @ 05:56 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
584. Re: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
     thank you very much indeed arif for these several advancements or really breakthroughs in areas of great interest to us i am so excited by all this info i
     Sep 17, 2000 @ 09:26 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
585. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Multimap
     ... multi useful too & i think it wins for zoom detail outside the united states & especially in the third world btw i was wondering about your hison topo
     Sep 17, 2000 @ 09:45 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
586. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Multimap
     I had thought about that Mike, but I didn t want to complicate the issue with two identities. Since I m receiving the e-mails OK, I should probably just wait
     Sep 17, 2000 @ 13:38 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
587. welcome to my new homepage - Peter from DK
     Hello everybody- this is a very special day for me---- Jesper helped me install my very first homepage - we started it with a nice picture of Baarle - enjoy
     Sep 17, 2000 @ 15:14 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
588. My own homepage - better than ever...
     Try me - I m so proud, thanks Jesper for your help.. http://www.geocities.com/mafiapetedk/ Peter
     Sep 17, 2000 @ 16:09 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
589. Re: [BoundaryPoint] My own homepage - better than ever...
     ... inside the park grand slam you elegant discriminating divinity junkies & theres still nobody out in the top of the first
     Sep 17, 2000 @ 18:42 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
590. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Multimap
     actually i think everything was fixed overnight last night btw i have had no problems no problems with a double or multi identity here created during previous
     Sep 17, 2000 @ 19:09 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
591. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Multimap
     Nope, my problem is still there. I think you may have misunderstood me Mike: (1) I absolutely agree...the list should be as open as possible. Any exclusion
     Sep 17, 2000 @ 19:14 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
592. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Multimap
     ok bill beautiful i hear & dig you so evidently it is egroups wording alone that suggests there may be such an option while there really isnt & perhaps i being
     Sep 17, 2000 @ 19:59 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
593. Re: [BoundaryPoint] St. Martin
     According to the webmaster of the below site, this pano-shot is taken on top of the border monument. http://www.stmartinstmaarten.com/pano/LowlandsBM.html and
     Sep 18, 2000 @ 06:08 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
594. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Multimap
     I did find a Hison topo, and I did also post the link! He it is again http://www.frilufts.se/goteborg/orange/leder/bohusled/bohus9.html You will also find a
     Sep 18, 2000 @ 09:32 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
595. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Multimap
     ... thank you again jesper now i remember it must have been that perky bohus leden character who put me up to it we must beg him to join our group but i was
     Sep 18, 2000 @ 18:31 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
596. Re: [BoundaryPoint] St. Martin
     ... surprised such a shifty boundary line is marked in only 3 places i am & wonder how that works also i used your new multi map to check out a few other
     Sep 18, 2000 @ 18:32 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
597. worldwide inventory of tri country points in progress
     following is a first careful try at rounding up all the tri country points in the world all the continental points at least are listed here by name in one
     Sep 19, 2000 @ 05:00 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
598. MT/ND/SK tripoint (photo by Dan Jacobson)
     In Dan Jacobson s photo of the MT/ND/SK tripoint (http://www.geocities.com/jidanni/images/19940721skndmt.jpg), the old U.S. Customs warning sign appears (to
     Sep 19, 2000 @ 15:58 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
599. multi bonus
     thanxx for your comments off list i am encouraged to add an unexpected train of consequences & bonuses arising from the tri country inventory is first doing it
     Sep 20, 2000 @ 03:34 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
600. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Digest Number 88
     Thanks for this list. I will create that category on the Corner Corner and add all of these points to it. My Corner Corner activities have slowed down due to
     Sep 20, 2000 @ 11:28 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
601. Pennsylvaina - East
     September 17, 2000 - The easternmost point in Pennsylvania is on the west bank of the Delaware River about 800 meters northeast of the New Jersey - New York -
     Sep 20, 2000 @ 11:29 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
602. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Pennsylvaina - East
     brilliant & gorgeous of you to even see & then take the opportunity to bag this point too i for one passed right by it last month & never even imagined it
     Sep 20, 2000 @ 16:12 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
603. busmans holiday
     quiet one today tho isnt it i mean when the laughter occasionally subsides of course but just to prolong this our third longest consecutive day streak in
     Sep 21, 2000 @ 17:25 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
604. Re: busmans holiday
     I have had my eye on VTW for a while myself. It really is strange about the 30 or so mile discrepancy between dry VTW and wet VTW. A similar thing occurs at
     Sep 21, 2000 @ 23:09 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
605. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: busmans holiday
     from brian ... yes very cool when the supposed counterparts are out of all relation to each other that is another reason why i am hoping you will create a
     Sep 22, 2000 @ 05:36 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
606. Re: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints and others
     As I have previously mentioned, the intersecting borders between Bangladesh and India could be hard to confirm as India and Bangladesh does not supply
     Sep 22, 2000 @ 14:40 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
607. Re: [BoundaryPoint] busmans holiday
     Oops, meant to ask something but forgot. Exactly where is the two legs of DENJ arcs and the leg of DEMD arcs. Obviosuly, I know of the DEPA arc and I have
     Sep 22, 2000 @ 14:48 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
608. Re: [BoundaryPoint] busmans holiday
     ... There are many jogs that are too small to show up on the scales that that one shows up on, depending on how you wish to define jog (see some western
     Sep 22, 2000 @ 15:10 - rhall@quadritek.com (rhall@...)
609. Re: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints and others
     Hello Arif Great to have you in the group. Borders seems alot more uncertain outside Europe and N America. Good maps show boundary markers. Peter showed me an
     Sep 22, 2000 @ 17:09 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
610. US CA
     Hello http://www.adin.org/webcam/ Can anyone spot the border?? I can t Jesper
     Sep 22, 2000 @ 18:56 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
611. Tripoint photo posted
     Please visit Peter the Great s updated homepage on http://www.geocities.com/mafiapetedk and see the latest tripoint photo on the net. Enjoy Jesper
     Sep 22, 2000 @ 19:05 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
612. RE: [BoundaryPoint] US CA
     It s the river in the background. Bill ... From: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen [mailto:jesniel@image.dk] Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 2:56 PM To:
     Sep 22, 2000 @ 19:10 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
613. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoint photo posted
     yesss solid gold at last major congrats & thanxx to both of you for breaking thru with this baby & what a stark beauty she is looks like 2 thirds iron curtain
     Sep 22, 2000 @ 20:08 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
614. dizzy again
     thank you arif for these soaring eagles eye views you have again given us & i will return with great delight to these several fantastic new topics but first
     Sep 22, 2000 @ 20:08 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
615. Re: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints and others
     this entire message is a continuous mind blower & i will only grasp at the few straws that i can intermittently below ... this is totally unbelievably crazy &
     Sep 22, 2000 @ 21:19 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
616. depa arc & wedge
     randy to arif so i shouldnt necessarily butt in but ... indeed please forgive the interruption but are you sure of this i have a historical diagram in front
     Sep 23, 2000 @ 00:56 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
617. Border pic Cuban-US border
     If you thought the US only had two neighbours look here http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6625/misc/ http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6625/misc/neg.jpg Jesper
     Sep 23, 2000 @ 20:30 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
618. Busiest border crossing in the world: San Ysidro/Tijuana
     The busiest border crossing in the world: San Ysidro, California, USA / Tijuana, Baja Californa Norte, Mexico: http://www.dot.ca.gov/dist11/border/sypoe.html
     Sep 23, 2000 @ 23:24 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
619. Too bad this mailing list cant be a newsgroup [yet]
     news grops of possible interest to boundary heads: alt.planning.urban,alt.real-estate,comp.infosystems.gis,misc.transport.road
     Sep 24, 2000 @ 01:27 - Dan Jacobson=¿n¤¦¥§ ("Dan Jacobson=¿n¤¦¥§" <jidanni@...>)
620. attempt to visualize tin bigha scheme
     so arif can you say do you imagine a layout something like this for the alternating bdin inbd joint zone at tin bigha ... bd in ... / / _ _ _
     Sep 24, 2000 @ 03:22 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
621. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border pic Cuban-US border
     nice one jesper i have long been curious what this forgotten land boundary actually looks like & i think most cubans & americans wouldnt even acknowledge it
     Sep 24, 2000 @ 03:48 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
622. Re: Too bad this mailing list cant be a newsgroup [yet]
     I like the paragraph on your web site describing your difficulties getting into Canada as a hitchhiker. I had a similar experience in 1973 in Buffalo, NY.
     Sep 24, 2000 @ 03:45 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
623. Muddy Waters
     The link at http://ny.usgs.gov/rt/pub/01434000_o_232017.gif shows some high-water marks for the Delaware River in the vicinity of NJNYPA. It looks like the
     Sep 24, 2000 @ 03:54 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
624. delaware cards
     because the delaware boundary monuments website seems to almost volunteer the data for an easy cardinal extremities tour of that state i continued with such a
     Sep 24, 2000 @ 04:56 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
625. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Muddy Waters
     please be careful about spending eternity at algatn since theres probably a cave under it & we might fall thru but no matter as we will already be dead by then
     Sep 24, 2000 @ 05:01 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
626. multi salutes
     fellow pointer bounders dry wet & amphibious first a hearty welcome to the many new members who have been pulling in recently please feel free to lurk or
     Sep 24, 2000 @ 17:07 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
627. Sv: [BoundaryPoint] multi salutes
     Thanks Mike for your encouraging words and salutes. I m working at my homepage in order to improve it - fighting all these nasty technical harassments... My
     Sep 24, 2000 @ 19:55 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
628. Alaska lowpoint
     Back in July I had an e-mail from a Steve Gruhn who brought to my attention that Nunavakanuk Lake in the Yukon Delta is 4 feet below sea level. I just got
     Sep 24, 2000 @ 08:27 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@gisco.net>)
629. Re: multi salutes
     ... on a ... Also, our monthly message count for September now exceeds counts for previous months...with one week to go before month end!
     Sep 24, 2000 @ 22:25 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
630. Idaho-Montana-Wyoming
     I ve been going through pictures to select a few which may be helpful to anyone who aspires to visit some of the more difficult locations. Here are a couple
     Sep 25, 2000 @ 02:41 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@gisco.net>)
631. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Alaska lowpoint
     ... indeed jack it is good to have somewhere to go & i see you have been leaving skid marks all over the extreme altitudes table on page 174 of our common
     Sep 25, 2000 @ 07:41 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
632. i agree
     ... it is much better to talk about what you prefer my rock & you seem to be acting from inspiration in this as well so i drink to you extravagant success
     Sep 25, 2000 @ 07:41 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
633. off the dashboard
     ... yeehaw full throttle & see what she can do now no drunk driving this week ok
     Sep 25, 2000 @ 07:41 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
634. Re: [BoundaryPoint] attempt to visualize tin bigha scheme
     Oops. If I gave somebody an idea that Tin Bigha lies in an intersecting border point, I am sorry. Tin Bigha isn t THAT interesting. India __ | ... India
     Sep 25, 2000 @ 14:44 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
635. Re: [BoundaryPoint] attempt to visualize tin bigha scheme
     ahh i see it was only my runaway miscomprehension heck of a pipe dream tho still the intermittent corridor that actually exists is mighty fine too & evidently
     Sep 25, 2000 @ 17:25 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
636. canadian boundary bible found still in print
     ordering info for the reportedly much improved & enlarged 1979 revise is at http://www.mcgill.ca/mqup/cupress/nicholsc.htm under the simplified title of the
     Sep 26, 2000 @ 19:42 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
637. Korean border
     Note the green table http://www.kwp.org/html/nk/fences.htm Jesper
     Sep 26, 2000 @ 19:56 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
638. canada cointinued
     i should probably add for your full loonies & toonies worth that i learned the brand new 21 year old canadian information in my previous message thanx to penny
     Sep 26, 2000 @ 21:03 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
639. tin bigha tangent query
     arif it may be impossible to ask or answer but let me try to ask anyway from all you have said i gather that the tin bigha corridor is not just a rare sort of
     Sep 26, 2000 @ 23:44 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
640. Re: [BoundaryPoint] tin bigha tangent query
     What I am going to say is without any proof or experience in my part, but mostly hearsay and deductions from Indian behavior. Tin Bigha, the changing
     Sep 27, 2000 @ 03:13 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
641. Pre-EU customs enforcement in Baarle
     Please excuse this if it s been discussed already...I ve wondered what the customs enforcement situation was like in Baarle prior to the EU. Peter or Jesper?
     Sep 27, 2000 @ 03:23 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
642. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Korean border
     to all, i have sat at the green table...on both sides of the border. i was on a business trip to seoul with a free weekend. it was in 1991. i called the uso
     Sep 27, 2000 @ 12:51 - Beckett, Bob ("Beckett, Bob" <Bob.Beckett@...>)
643. Re: depa arc & wedge
     The following comment was taken from the sci.engr.surveying newsgroup: Having grown up in DE, the center of the curved border is the state house in New Castle
     Sep 27, 2000 @ 21:38 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
644. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: depa arc & wedge
     nice catch bill the lady is essentially correct tho slightly fantastical around the edges what she means by the state house in new castle is actually the
     Sep 28, 2000 @ 05:27 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
645. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: depa arc & wedge
     As always, you ve done your homework, Mike! I ll take the liberty of forwarding the bulk of your gem to her...I had invited her to join the group with no
     Sep 28, 2000 @ 09:41 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
646. County exclaves and fragments
     Thank you, Michael, for that county exclave I have never seen before. I was looking at the map and noticed the exclave even before I got the chance to finish
     Sep 28, 2000 @ 16:48 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
647. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: depa arc & wedge
     ... thanx bill home is where the feet are especially for us bigfoots ... gorgeous we need more over the top like her & it appears we are almost off the
     Sep 28, 2000 @ 20:31 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
648. Re: [BoundaryPoint] County exclaves and fragments
     ... you are most welcome arif & i am not a bit surprised your eagle eye works that way too for i gather we are training to be some kind of very high fliers
     Sep 28, 2000 @ 20:33 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
649. Re: [BoundaryPoint] tin bigha tangent query
     ... hahahahaha much inner laughter between a gong & the sound of one hand clapping very nice one i wonder also if we couldnt put all these enclaves &
     Sep 28, 2000 @ 21:28 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
650. Re: [BoundaryPoint] County exclaves and fragments
     Ok, Duh, the Boston enclaves were easy to remember, but I forgot them. Anyway, since there are only two enclaves in the Boston area and nine in the Denver
     Sep 29, 2000 @ 04:19 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
651. Sv: [BoundaryPoint] Pre-EU customs enforcement in Baarle
     Dear Bill, sorry for not answering that question before, but I ve been very busy (and I still am..) in the past two weeks. That affects my socalled homepage
     Sep 29, 2000 @ 09:25 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
652. Re: [BoundaryPoint] County exclaves and fragments
     ... Isn t an embassy an exclave of its parent country? Perhaps one could find weird multipoints in certain city blocks, even 3 dimensional multipoints! Just
     Sep 29, 2000 @ 11:58 - rhall@quadritek.com (rhall@...)
653. Re: [BoundaryPoint] County exclaves and fragments
     from arif ... more exotic dreamscapes please lead the way ... i confess i am quite unawares all thruout this area & dont even quite know whats involved could
     Sep 29, 2000 @ 21:34 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
654. Re: [BoundaryPoint] County exclaves and fragments
     ... are you kidding that is a gorgeous point thank you very much indeed especially as we are sworn to truth here so the really authentic multipoint & exclave
     Sep 30, 2000 @ 00:48 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
655. mason dixon line fantasy
     note the following subject matter may not be appropriate for mature audiences & nobody was seriously asking for it besides but i would like to float the idea
     Sep 30, 2000 @ 03:18 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
656. Re: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] Pre-EU customs enforcement in Baarle
     peter let me say thanx in bills absence because i know he will dig it too this is most interesting & great revelation about eu development also about your web
     Sep 30, 2000 @ 17:56 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
657. bloat
     I have substantially bloated http://www.geocities.com/jidanni/1994us_can_border.htm It seems us boundary types are a mature crowd... I m 40 myself, therefore
     Sep 30, 2000 @ 19:15 - Dan Jacobson=¿n¤¦¥§ ("Dan Jacobson=¿n¤¦¥§" <jidanni@...>)
658. Re: [BoundaryPoint] County exclaves and fragments
     Hi Arif Do you know where this is exactly? Can you give us more details? Jesper
     Sep 30, 2000 @ 19:38 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
659. Re: [BoundaryPoint] County exclaves and fragments
     What is officially or technically the status of an embassy, consulate and even an embassadors residence? Jesper
     Sep 30, 2000 @ 19:54 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
660. Re: [BoundaryPoint] bloat
     bloat a tao lb pal you fit fine here & it will never be vain i realize now also that your 3 or 4 or 5 international tripoints visited on the canadian border
     Oct 01, 2000 @ 00:22 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
661. Re: Corners
     Brendan Whyte, enclave analyst, Geography Dept, University of Melbourne, Australia here. Just joined up. ... No, there is a short section of Rus/Chi
     Oct 01, 2000 @ 16:21 - brwhyte@hotmail.com (brwhyte@...)
662. Re: Tripoint Egypt-Libya-Sudan
     No, according to the Times atlas of the world (2000 edition), your mountain is about 10 miles SE of the tripoint which appears to be on lines of lat and long,
     Oct 01, 2000 @ 16:36 - brwhyte@hotmail.com (brwhyte@...)
663. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Corners
     welcome sir we are thrilled to see you ... major thanx never heard of it just what we need still thinking about your delicious questions too m
     Oct 01, 2000 @ 16:46 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
664. Re: [BoundaryPoint] b l o a t
     ... your fully manifested ref to boundarypoint there continues to make us out as slightly strange tho i note our own main page has just dropped this essential
     Oct 01, 2000 @ 16:47 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
665. Re: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
     Interesting, I have the German and austrian 1:25 000 sheets, and both seem to show a quadripoint form memory (i am out of the country at present). I have also
     Oct 01, 2000 @ 17:22 - brwhyte@hotmail.com (brwhyte@...)
666. Re: tin bigha tangent query
     These enclaves are my PHD thesis. Give me until mid2001 to write it up and I can send (sell! ;-) ) you a copy. Brendan Whyte
     Oct 01, 2000 @ 17:34 - brwhyte@hotmail.com (brwhyte@...)
667. Re: tin bigha tangent query
     These enclaves are my PHD thesis. Give me until mid2001 to write it up and I can send (sell! ;-) ) you a copy. Brendan Whyte
     Oct 01, 2000 @ 17:34 - brwhyte@hotmail.com (brwhyte@...)
668. Re: Pre-EU customs enforcement in Baarle
     ... I believe the Benelux customs union post-war was in force. PreWar however, there were problems. If you read Dutch, buy De Belgische Enclaves in Nederland
     Oct 01, 2000 @ 17:38 - brwhyte@hotmail.com (brwhyte@...)
669. Re: County exclaves and fragments
     ... in or ... There ARE two Malawian islands enclaves inside Mozambiquean lake waters in Lake Nyasa/Malawi. sort of like st Pierre et Miquelon are enclaved in
     Oct 01, 2000 @ 17:43 - brwhyte@hotmail.com (brwhyte@...)
670. Re: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] Pre-EU customs enforcement in Baarle
     In WW1, when Belgium was inveded and Netherlands remained neutral, Baarle-Duc was the only part of Belgium unoccupied by the Germans. So the allies stuck a
     Oct 01, 2000 @ 17:47 - brwhyte@hotmail.com (brwhyte@...)
671. Re: County exclaves and fragments
     Find Aachen, Germany in your atlas. Find the belgian town of Eupen, 10 miles to the south. Now head east. Just across the border back in germany is Rotgen, and
     Oct 01, 2000 @ 17:56 - brwhyte@hotmail.com (brwhyte@...)
672. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Corners
     ... Gideon Biger s Encyclopedia of International ... gideons bible will set us back 125 simoleons at amazon but can you tell me is he on top of the maritime
     Oct 01, 2000 @ 19:41 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
673. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: County exclaves and fragments
     Hello Brydan Thanks for joining our group and for giving such great informartion. On my search for great German-maps I found http://www.map24.com Jesper ...
     Oct 01, 2000 @ 19:42 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
674. Re: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
     brendan what a multi cross now you are holding the center piece of a mythic quintet of such crosses that we are now daring to suppose actually exists in
     Oct 01, 2000 @ 20:02 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
675. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Digest Number 99
     ... at age 12 or so I declared my room to be the sovereign country of Dansland, and had my own flag, etc. I like the daily wrap-up feature of egroups. makes
     Oct 01, 2000 @ 20:11 - Dan Jacobson=¿n¤¦¥§ ("Dan Jacobson=¿n¤¦¥§" <jidanni@...>)
676. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Digest Number 99
     ... your sovereignty is still saluted here sire even your divinity if you like it is not a matter of tolerance what i really wonder is how the girls like tom
     Oct 01, 2000 @ 21:26 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
677. [BoundaryPoint] Re: County exclaves and fragments
     Welcome, Brendan. As you are the master of enclave information, I may just have to retire now. And when you do start selling your thesis (Heck, I would buy
     Oct 01, 2000 @ 22:36 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
678. Re: [BoundaryPoint] County exclaves and fragments
     ... this really deserves the attention of one of our talmudic schoilars but & i swear i am just filling in until we get one but it seems to me all these
     Oct 01, 2000 @ 23:16 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
679. Re: [BoundaryPoint] County exclaves and fragments
     Hej Jeg hedder ikke Sherif. Torben ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail
     Oct 02, 2000 @ 08:17 - Torben Nielsen ("Torben Nielsen" <torbenmn@...>)
680. Book references
     ... No, nothing maritime, just terrestrial. It lists, alphabetically, every land boundary with a description of where it goes. It is not, however, a catalogue
     Oct 03, 2000 @ 02:01 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
681. Re: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
     I haven t been to Jungholz, but am heading to Baarle shortly, so will be able to rpeort later this year. As for Bengal, hard to tell. Many boundary pillars in
     Oct 03, 2000 @ 02:17 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
682. Re: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
     I haven t been to Jungholz, but am heading to Baarle shortly, so will be able to rpeort later this year. As for Bengal, hard to tell. Many boundary pillars in
     Oct 03, 2000 @ 02:20 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
683. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: County exclaves and fragments
     Yep, embassies are not saovereign enclaves, but just extraterritorial pieces, and as they can move by the embassy buying or selling land, they are much less
     Oct 03, 2000 @ 02:24 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
684. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Book references
     thanx very much brendan this is all great to know & much of it dizzying besides i think our inventory of the continental tri country points may already be
     Oct 02, 2000 @ 19:40 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
685. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: County exclaves and fragments
     from arif to brendan yesterday ... excuse me but you better not we are counting on you too some good news below also ... you can include me in on that too &
     Oct 02, 2000 @ 20:04 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
686. Re: [BoundaryPoint] County exclaves and fragments
     hej ikke sherif torben hvad betyder det m
     Oct 02, 2000 @ 20:05 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
687. Re: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
     fantastic may our quest be with you matey vis tecum
     Oct 02, 2000 @ 20:20 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
688. Re: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
     On Jungholz topomap http://www.geocities.com/mafiapetedk/jungholz.jpg there seems to be a small gateway around 10-20 meters from Austria to Jungholz.
     Oct 02, 2000 @ 20:26 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
689. Re: County exclaves and fragments
     but I did not shoot no deputy. ... ______________________________________________________________________ ... http://www.hotmail.com.
     Oct 02, 2000 @ 20:40 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
690. Re: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
     further musings inspired by brendan ... wonderful it sounds like a job for our bp amphibious dreamscape recovery unit ... excellent we will be all earholes &
     Oct 03, 2000 @ 02:23 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
691. Re: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
     ... this checkered reservation of the agua caliente indians at palm springs is well worth the peek on topozone also the statement about it on their tribal home
     Oct 03, 2000 @ 08:20 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
692. new files with pix downloaded....
     Hello everybody, Jesper s advice and my own fight against my PC s traps finally lead us to results: more files on my - provisional - homepage with a lot of
     Oct 03, 2000 @ 17:17 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
693. Re: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
     Because the talk went to Indian reservations, I wanted to mention something. Before the English came into the Indian subcontinent, the area had many fiefdoms,
     Oct 03, 2000 @ 16:45 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
694. Re: [BoundaryPoint] new files with pix downloaded....
     what are you great danes on freakin strike or something no euros & not even a link any more gone shadow boxing well how do we get some of that gelt m
     Oct 03, 2000 @ 17:09 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
695. Re: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
     arif thank you for this pure samadhi upon the indian reservations it clarifies a great deal that was formerly strange about this whole area of the world in a
     Oct 03, 2000 @ 20:31 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
696. Re: [BoundaryPoint] new files with pix downloaded....
     Hello guys I just helped out Peter with his links. Should work now. Please note that there are no relations between Michael and Donna (Peter s dog on the DEDK
     Oct 03, 2000 @ 20:29 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
697. RE: [BoundaryPoint] new files with pix downloaded....
     Yeah, but that dog * would * have been arrested if it had been with Mike... ... From: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen [mailto:jesniel@image.dk] Sent: Tuesday,
     Oct 03, 2000 @ 22:41 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
698. Re: [BoundaryPoint] new files with pix downloaded....
     ... ohh no hahahahahaa i will officially deny it too but i could swear someone said she was his dancing reindeer well i am only beginning to learn scandinavian
     Oct 04, 2000 @ 07:33 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
699. Re: Still strange!
     thanx bill glad to see we are back at full strength & to know you have been representing us so well also as ambassador to the sky say i am wondering if you
     Oct 04, 2000 @ 07:33 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
700. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Book references
     Biger doesn t list tripoints, but just gives a brief overview of each country, then an alphabetically arranged description of the border, like which mountians
     Oct 05, 2000 @ 00:31 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
701. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Still strange!
     I ve heard that too, but I didn t spot anything unusual at all...no unexplained compass deviations, etc. A Bermuda Triangle it wasn t.... say i am
     Oct 04, 2000 @ 09:49 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
702. FW: canadian topographic maps sorry non online state exposed
     dudes, i also posted to sci.geo.satelite-nav etc. ... From: Ed McNierney [mailto:Ed@topozone.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 3:03 AM To: Dan
     Oct 04, 2000 @ 15:52 - Dan Jacobson=??? ("Dan Jacobson=???" <jidanni@...>)
703. New tp-picture: Tp Switzerland-Germany-France near Basel
     Hello everybody, today s contribution to our great group: Tripoint GeFrCh - pictures. Enjoy Peter www.geocities.com/mafiapetedk/tpgefrch.jpg
     Oct 04, 2000 @ 17:16 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
704. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New tp-picture: Tp Switzerland-Germany-France near Basel
     congrats & thanx peter this is another multi prize winner i believe the actual tri country point is in your lower pic just beyond the long thin dark area in
     Oct 04, 2000 @ 19:55 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
705. Re: [BoundaryPoint] FW: canadian topographic maps sorry non online state exposed
     nice bag man it is great to hear from this leader creator & no apology necessary you also must tell us p l e a s e how do we get to these other group addresses
     Oct 04, 2000 @ 21:17 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
706. zoomable olympics continued
     following judicial review & drug testing the zoomable island of britain as presented in schematic down to 10000x magnification at the http://www.multimap.com
     Oct 05, 2000 @ 01:21 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
707. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New tp-picture: Tp Switzerland-Germany-France near Basel
     Ok, maybe I lost the train of messages that told me, but I am just curious in knowing exactly where the tripoint lies. The map I copied from www.swissgeo.ch
     Oct 05, 2000 @ 04:42 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@yahoo.com>)
708. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New tp-picture: Tp Switzerland-Germany-France near Basel
     dear arif thanxxes as well as congratses first because after further drug testing the judges if they could still stand up would award you the gold on behalf of
     Oct 05, 2000 @ 08:59 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
709. sedk boundary on new oeresund bridge - 2 pix
     Hello border folks, I d like everybody to indulge in Europe s newest boundary line - the boundary between Sweden and Denmark on the Oeresundbridge that opened
     Oct 05, 2000 @ 18:33 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
710. Addition to my mail a minute ago
     Sorry folks I just forgot to give you the exact location on the web: www.geocities.com/mafiapetedk/dkseborderoeresundbridge.jpg P. Mike, thanks for your
     Oct 05, 2000 @ 18:35 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
711. Re: [BoundaryPoint] sedk boundary on new oeresund bridge - 2 pix
     Just an addition. Here is a map http://www.oresundskonsortiet.se/graphics/us/maps/dredgingmap.gif B-rgds Jesper ... From: Peter Hering To:
     Oct 05, 2000 @ 18:18 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
712. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Addition to my mail a minute ago
     gorgeous pete & jesper oer the sound here with you now this must really be the bridge to the 21st century m
     Oct 05, 2000 @ 20:22 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
713. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Book references
     thank you again brendan an interlibrary loan is on the way this is almost too exciting now m
     Oct 05, 2000 @ 20:43 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
714. zoomable olympics update
     after further drug testing it now appears to the judges arif wins gold for liechtenstein as well as silver for switzerland while brian has bronze now to
     Oct 05, 2000 @ 22:21 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
715. real indian reservations are round of bound
     http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=40.037&lon=-82.4366&s=25&size=s like their tps m
     Oct 06, 2000 @ 02:10 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
716. Jungholz - here we go !!!
     Hi everybody - at last - the Jungholz mystery is solved !!! Just got an e-mail from the Tourism office in Jungholz - they are looking forward to welcoming the
     Oct 06, 2000 @ 12:39 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
717. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Jungholz - here we go !!!
     yesss this is truly fantastic bottoms up & i see we are raising a chaser at int boundaries list today also so thanxx & cheers again to you & martin too m
     Oct 06, 2000 @ 17:13 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
718. Fw: new land boundary?
     ... From: Gary Jeffress To: Martin Pratt ; Int-Boundaries Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 5:36 PM Subject: Re: new land boundary? Martin, A tried and tested
     Oct 06, 2000 @ 18:52 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
719. Re: [BoundaryPoint] new files with pix downloaded....
     Regarding the Rudbøl pictures posted by Peter I have set up maps of the area on http://www.image.dk/~jesniel/border/rudboel.htm They are found on
     Oct 06, 2000 @ 19:11 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
720. Nicosia Green Line
     Spot the Green line on http://www.terraserver.com/image.asp?S=11&T=100&X=60&Y=88&Z=479&W=2 Jesper
     Oct 06, 2000 @ 19:43 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
721. Re: [BoundaryPoint] new files with pix downloaded....
     beautiful jesper couldnt connect to the danish zoom mother lode yet today but the judges are glad to take your word & sample & have just said no to drug
     Oct 06, 2000 @ 20:02 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
722. Re: [BoundaryPoint] new files with pix downloaded....
     http://www.degulesider.dk and http://www.krak.dk also have Danish zoomable maps. They even have a link to other international maps at
     Oct 06, 2000 @ 20:05 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
723. international shoreline projections update
     the topozone serving dan provided for the easternmost reach of the 49th parallel sector of the caus international boundary situated in muskeg bay of sw lake of
     Oct 07, 2000 @ 01:31 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
724. Tongues and maps
     Yeah, the tongues of land jutting out into another countries are pretty common. I am sure there are many if we look at maps of countries in detail. I was
     Oct 07, 2000 @ 04:39 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
725. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tongues and maps
     agreed i think i will just continue to concentrate on multipoints especially the world class & various other real elites & rarities & relax about all the rest
     Oct 07, 2000 @ 14:13 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
726. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tongues and maps
     About tongues, I still collect them, even though they are not as rare as most other things. However, I do not look for them. If one shows up looking at a
     Oct 07, 2000 @ 18:40 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
727. roundup of great circle boundaries in the united states
     recycled from previous messages 1 newark ohio ceremonial precinct radius about 600 ft prehistoric earthen mound & ditch all but complete circle fast topo link
     Oct 08, 2000 @ 03:40 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
728. 2 candidates for oldest boundary monument in the world
     most boundary scholars agree that the modern system of negotiated & monumented international boundaries dates only from about the treaty of westphalia in 1648
     Oct 08, 2000 @ 06:42 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
729. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 2 candidates for oldest boundary monument in the world
     The second URL does not work. I think Peter never found any boundary markers between France-Spain (and Andorra). Jesper ... From: michael donner
     Oct 08, 2000 @ 08:51 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
730. Jungholz - e-mail for Brendan from Peter
     Dear Brendan, Here s the mail you were asking for - in my humble opinion an answer from the official tourist office on site must almost be regarded as the
     Oct 08, 2000 @ 10:56 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
731. Sv: [BoundaryPoint] 2 candidates for oldest boundary monument in the world
     Hi Mike, that s nice stuff really !!! Very interesting indeed! On my next trip to Spain I ll most certainly visit that border monument - it must without doubt
     Oct 08, 2000 @ 11:07 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
732. New tp - picture: Belgium-Luxemburg-Germany
     Hello everybody, I m thinking of my group night and day - so this is today s catch: Tp Germany-Belgium-Luxemburg. Peter s pictures taken about 7 years ago
     Oct 08, 2000 @ 11:24 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
733. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New tp - picture: Belgium-Luxemburg-Germany
     Hello Peter Is it a wet or dry tripoint? Jesper ... From: Peter Hering To: BoundaryPoint@egroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 1:24 PM Subject:
     Oct 08, 2000 @ 16:39 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
734. Canadian Four Corners
     Just to knock your socks off: http://www.realmbuilder.com/tristate/cfc.html BJB
     Oct 08, 2000 @ 17:42 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
735. Re: roundup of great circle boundaries in the united states
     I wish you would come up with alternative nomenclature for circular boundaries since the term great circle has particular meaning in the navigational,
     Oct 08, 2000 @ 17:51 - jwahl@qubicle.com (jwahl@...)
736. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Canadian Four Corners
     I think we just hit the mother lode! ... From: Brian Butler [mailto:bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com] Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 1:43 PM To:
     Oct 08, 2000 @ 19:06 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
737. Re: roundup of great circle boundaries in the united states
     Is the zero mile stone also called the Key of Keys? If so, here are a couple of pictures Gregg Butler took of it.
     Oct 08, 2000 @ 20:12 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
738. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 2 candidates for oldest boundary monument in the world
     ... thanx & oops happily tho this baby is worth a second take with full drum roll so i have corrected the url in the text below enjoy i mean i think it really
     Oct 09, 2000 @ 03:34 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
739. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Jungholz - e-mail for Brendan from Peter
     excuse me but boy am i glad you guys are on this case whatever the outcome m
     Oct 09, 2000 @ 03:35 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
740. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New tp - picture: Belgium-Luxemburg-Germany
     hi pete & thanxx for all these rousing messages & great successes it is divine of you to own & stand for the group now in more ways than just possessing all
     Oct 09, 2000 @ 03:35 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
741. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Canadian Four Corners
     thank you big daddy much better without them anyway but will you tell us the story too max
     Oct 09, 2000 @ 03:35 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
742. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: great roundup of circle boundaries in the united states
     dear jerry welcome & thanxx for these several excellent additions of course you are right & i am happy to comply i only meant circle boundaries that are great
     Oct 09, 2000 @ 03:35 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
743. really big tri country point photo i hope
     just a test to see if you can receive unjammed this link http://www.angelfire.com/md2/polystate3/congo.JPG to an antique photo of what is today the tri country
     Oct 09, 2000 @ 06:08 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
744. Sv: [BoundaryPoint] New tp - picture: Belgium-Luxemburg-Germany
     Re: Tp BeLuGe - it s a wet one (as shown on the black/white picture): where the Ribbach - creek that forms the border between Be + Lu empties into the Our
     Oct 09, 2000 @ 18:49 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
745. Two new tripoints - and Baarle pix !!!
     Hello from Oelstykke/Denmark (Oelstykke means Beerpiece...!!!) Only 11 months left to our GCEBE...! I put two new tripoints on my homepage: 1 - tp
     Oct 09, 2000 @ 20:07 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
746. Re: great roundup of circle boundaries in the united states
     There is always a great circle route between two points on a sphere (the great circle is the intersection of the sphere and the plane defined by the two points
     Oct 09, 2000 @ 19:15 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
747. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Two new tripoints - and Baarle pix !!!
     Hi I took the liberty to update Peters homepage with the links. Did you ever see a picture of Pete? Take a look at the Baarle monument. Jesper ... From: Peter
     Oct 09, 2000 @ 19:59 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
748. Re: [BoundaryPoint] really big tri country point photo i hope
     http://www.angelfire.com/md2/polystate3/index3.html is now working
     Oct 09, 2000 @ 20:07 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
749. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Two new tripoints - and Baarle pix !!!
     where is this emperors new clothes or not i gotta see this m
     Oct 09, 2000 @ 20:59 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
750. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: great roundup of circle boundaries in the united states
     it is amusing to follow up & observe without at all contradicting jerry that the relocation of the naval observatory from the foggy bottom location which lies
     Oct 10, 2000 @ 08:32 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
751. forgotten links - Peter's sorry..!
     Sorry folks, yesterday I forgot to inform you about the three new links .. 1- Tp Argentina-Brazil-Paraguay: www.geocities.com/mafiapetedk/tpargbrapar.jpg 2-
     Oct 10, 2000 @ 11:06 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
752. Re: [BoundaryPoint] gotten links
     thank goodness you are clothed & hairy mlord very tastefully done indeed argentina brazil paraguay is a multi success in particular as it brings our
     Oct 10, 2000 @ 17:57 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
753. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: great roundup of circle boundaries in the united states
     very clever mon papa & you would not be trying to pull a fast one on pontiff max of canada now would you but it is a good story even if not the one we asked
     Oct 10, 2000 @ 18:35 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
754. maritime tri country points
     i recently had & therefore we also now have an extremely interesting message from our resident boundary rock martin regarding the elusive marine half of the
     Oct 10, 2000 @ 19:20 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
755. transequatorial baptism
     our recent messages about great circle boundaries as well as our first crossover au grand tour into the southern hemisphere for arbrpa & iguazu have drawn my
     Oct 11, 2000 @ 00:50 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
756. equatorial boundary update
     still havent found a decent provincial map of gabon nor of indonesia really but it is now looking as tho gabon may well contain a dry land interprovincial
     Oct 11, 2000 @ 05:43 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
757. meanwhile back in europe
     so having made a couple of passes across & around the equator our progressive party is now back in the northern hemisphere where we are still or again
     Oct 11, 2000 @ 18:03 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
758. Other side of the world
     idea: probably already said by me, but antipodes are fun too: find say the capitol building of the country on the exact oposite side of the world to you and
     Oct 12, 2000 @ 04:04 - ¿n¤¦¥§ ("¿n¤¦¥§"<jidanni@...>)
759. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Other side of the world
     this is neat dan & quite a challenge to miss the indian ocean in my case but hey with you in china we can dig ourselves together proverbially too actually i
     Oct 12, 2000 @ 07:16 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
760. more brazilian tps
     further search of the brazilian site mentioned yesterday turned up photos of 2 additional tri country points the 9th & 10th to be collected here
     Oct 12, 2000 @ 07:16 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
761. key of keys was Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: roundup of great circle boundaries in the united states
     i would like to understand this better too bible p91f says zero mile stone pertains to a supposed nationwide system of numbered milestones radiating in all
     Oct 12, 2000 @ 19:30 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
762. hello out there in geography land
     & i think we are on solid ground with that tautology the above salute from a friend i couldnt help but relay to you m
     Oct 12, 2000 @ 21:21 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
763. tp elsalvador guatemala honduras
     a possible very distant photographic glimpse plus a good deal of essential information for visitors about this probably westernmost tri country point in the
     Oct 12, 2000 @ 22:30 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
764. tp brazil guyana venezuela
     http://www.inkas.com/venezuela_tours/03_exploring_roraima.html probably shows the point itself but i cant put my finger on it presumably at the summit once
     Oct 12, 2000 @ 23:04 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
765. tp laos myanmar thailand
     i think jesper may have been the first to draw our attention to this point or site in a previous millennium or incarnation
     Oct 12, 2000 @ 23:52 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
766. ermm... Taiwan, not China
     ... ermm... Taiwan, not China. Don t be fooled by R.O.C. blather by the government here. -- null ... ©_¼¯¹q¤l«H½c¡E·¾³q¤ß¥@¬É
     Oct 13, 2000 @ 12:46 - ¿n¤¦¥§ ("¿n¤¦¥§"<jidanni@...>)
767. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ermm... Taiwan, not China
     thank you dan glad to get straight with you m taking a break now as gideons bigger bible has arrived
     Oct 13, 2000 @ 15:58 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
768. Re: [BoundaryPoint] tp elsalvador guatemala honduras
     Congrats to Michael for perhaps finding a pic of the tripoint. I my self have been chasing this one. An apparently famous spot, but nobody bothered to bring
     Oct 13, 2000 @ 18:06 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
769. Re: [BoundaryPoint] tp brazil guyana venezuela
     Tripoint markers seems to be popular in South America. And impressive too - again noone took out their camera at this point. The borders of Asia seems quite
     Oct 13, 2000 @ 18:14 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
770. the good news from gideons jerusalem bible
     or some highlights anyway first & just to make 2 wrongs into a right because we can here is a serenade to jespers early suggestion & first ever nomination of a
     Oct 14, 2000 @ 03:16 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
771. Re: [BoundaryPoint] the good news from gideons jerusalem bible
     Hi Mike Congrats on getting hold of the Gideon book. Where did you get it? I search my local library and they told me there were only one copy of the book in
     Oct 14, 2000 @ 09:03 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
772. third world tps was Re: [BoundaryPoint] tp brazil guyana venezuela
     gideon says there are some african boundaries for which no international agreement has been publicized & others for which none even exists he also makes it
     Oct 15, 2000 @ 06:18 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
773. Re: [BoundaryPoint] the good news from gideons jerusalem bible
     jesper it must have been a godsend first i found 3 or 4 copies listed in the connecticut interlibrary database & i ordered it but no willing lender emerged
     Oct 15, 2000 @ 06:18 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
774. more from gideon
     following are the assembled clues from gideon to all 39 tps of countries that begin with the letter a or roughly a quarter of the entire tp inventory i am
     Oct 15, 2000 @ 06:18 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
775. great roundup of circle boundaries goes global
     frankly it was a bit disturbing to find no fewer than 5 olympic rings in the united states last week but not a single additional example of a circle boundary
     Oct 15, 2000 @ 06:19 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
776. Re: [BoundaryPoint] tp elsalvador guatemala honduras
     thanx jesper i admit this may win a prize for cheapo extraordinaire the most ridiculous foto claim in history & still pretty good for a cloud forest too but
     Oct 15, 2000 @ 06:19 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
777. Gideon - a dream comes true...- Peter calls Mike..
     Dear Mike, re: Gideon - the real bible. I envy you for holding this beauty in your arms...! Would you please inform me about the exact title and editor once
     Oct 16, 2000 @ 08:56 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
778. India Pakistan
     India begins fencing border JAMMU (occupied), Sept 21: India has begun fencing sections of its international border with Pakistan to block infiltration of
     Oct 16, 2000 @ 18:44 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
779. Border crossing
     This might be at interest: http://www.jetcity.com/~suebee/45.shtml Jesper
     Oct 16, 2000 @ 19:08 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
780. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon - a dream comes true...- Peter calls Mike..
     thank you peter the encyclopedia of international boundaries by gideon biger in collaboration with the international boundaries research unit university of
     Oct 16, 2000 @ 21:02 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
781. tp egypt libya sudan
     read the caption first for some reason at http://www.to-scorpio.com/earth0122b.htm then click on the 2nd photo in the left column & then look for the mountain
     Oct 17, 2000 @ 02:27 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
782. slightly better uweinat shots
     http://fjexpeditions.virtualave.net/page5.html
     Oct 17, 2000 @ 02:58 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
783. tp laos myanmar thailand improved photo
     http://search.corbis.com/default.asp?s=golden+triangle&l=golden+triangle&b=3&v=1 &a=3&p=6&r=36&m=1 another resource originally pointed out by jesper if i
     Oct 17, 2000 @ 17:27 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
784. tp france italy switzerland
     gideon seems to indicate dolent peak is the tripoint http://search.corbis.com/default.asp?q=dolent&v=1&s=dolent&image1.x=9&image1.y=1 0 for a choice of viewing
     Oct 17, 2000 @ 17:50 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
785. tp belgium germany holland aka bedenl
     the present bedenl point was between 1919 & 1922 actually a ... & if you zoom in on bedenl at mapquest you will see a municipal boundary also converging upon
     Oct 17, 2000 @ 18:32 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
786. New border pix added
     I have added a few new border pix - sorry if it to crowded. Check out the statusbar at the left-bottom for the link. Added are Afghanistan-Pakistan, China-Hong
     Oct 17, 2000 @ 19:42 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
787. 2 tps in one pic
     thanx jesper for the new pix while probing your map for the link points of which i have only managed to check the chpk pic so far i discovered also your space
     Oct 18, 2000 @ 00:14 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
788. tp austria italy slovenia
     petzen or pec peak on mt forno aka mt ofen at or near which the tp is situated according to gideon is evidently the snowcap at right of center in
     Oct 18, 2000 @ 05:00 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
789. Sv: [BoundaryPoint] tp austria italy slovenia
     Hi Mike, interesting picture, lots of snow - I hate wintertime, I d rather be in Australia swimming amongst dolphins... Sorry Mike, but this picture of
     Oct 18, 2000 @ 17:07 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
790. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 2 tps in one pic
     Here is some reading stuff for Lake Chad tripoint
     Oct 18, 2000 @ 17:20 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
791. Maps on disputed boundary China-Russia
     http://www.lib.utexas.edu/Libs/PCL/Map_collection/middle_east_and_asia/China_USSR_E_88.jpg
     Oct 18, 2000 @ 18:03 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
792. Re: [BoundaryPoint] tp belgium germany holland aka bedenl
     Actually it was a quadripoint from 1815-1918. Moresnet was in dispute between Prussia and Holland afteer the Congress of Vienna and so became a neutral zone
     Oct 19, 2000 @ 06:26 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
793. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 2 tps in one pic
     jesper thanx this case didnt really affect either of the lake chad tps since they were beyond the icj mandate as the court itself explained in chapter 4 still
     Oct 18, 2000 @ 19:59 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
794. Re: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] tp austria italy slovenia
     thanx pete & i certainly agree with you & the dolphins for the play is the thing here too & you know i am only in this for the fun of it & wouldnt deign to
     Oct 18, 2000 @ 19:58 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
795. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Maps on disputed boundary China-Russia
     hard to tell but this may very slightly affect the position of tp china mongolia russia east m
     Oct 18, 2000 @ 20:17 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
796. Re: [BoundaryPoint] tp belgium germany holland aka bedenl
     thank you brendan these are the data i wanted fantastic m
     Oct 18, 2000 @ 20:03 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
797. Gideon
     Hello Mike Can you post details of the boundary marking of San Marino, Monaco, Liechtenstein, Andorra and Lesotho? Jesper
     Oct 18, 2000 @ 20:21 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
798. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon
     gladly tho for san marino & monaco & andorra he doesnt mention boundary markings at all but does show a pic of a road sign entering monte carlo liechtenstein
     Oct 18, 2000 @ 22:16 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
799. Sv: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] tp austria italy slovenia
     Dear Mike, thanks for your quick reply on this tp. I admit, the whole matter is a bit confusing - but I think I know what happened: Our Tp is on Mt. Forno -
     Oct 19, 2000 @ 11:09 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
800. Re: Sv: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] tp austria italy slovenia
     ahhh i see thank you the 1509m agreement between your topo & gideon confirms you are both right there & talking about the same peak & as
     Oct 19, 2000 @ 16:44 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
801. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon
     Hi Mike Thanks for the info. What does he have on ZA tripoints? Jesper ... From: michael donner To: Sent:
     Oct 19, 2000 @ 20:51 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
802. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon
     Peter sent me an e-mail regarding the borders I requested of Mike. He told me: *according to topomap Au-FL have 100-110 boundary markers *CH-FL border
     Oct 19, 2000 @ 21:01 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
803. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon
     welcome jesper trusting you are talking iso here za for south africa rather than fips za for zambia & i love it when you do either again not much from gideon
     Oct 19, 2000 @ 23:44 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
804. tp france italy switzerland possible improvement
     sobered by my recent missed try at petzen & unable to rule out a similar or dissimilar mishap here at the other end of the frit boundary i am still encouraged
     Oct 20, 2000 @ 03:20 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
805. Gideon on Jungholz
     Does Giddy mention Jungholz? Jesper
     Oct 20, 2000 @ 13:00 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
806. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon
     welcome to you too Gideon-Mike What does Gideon say on Russia-China-N Korea? Cyprus tripoints? Jesper
     Oct 20, 2000 @ 13:14 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
807. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon
     ... Is mpundweni spelled correctly? Cannot find it Jesper
     Oct 20, 2000 @ 13:14 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
808. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon on Jungholz
     gid question but not a peep from him on this he is well within his editorial license to simplify here in any case yet his silence may lend a bit more credence
     Oct 20, 2000 @ 18:00 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
809. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon
     ... smiles & guffaws from the mike donner ... in 2 places he says tp is in tumen river about 12 mi or 19 km from its mouth specifying the middle of the river
     Oct 20, 2000 @ 19:01 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
810. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon
     yes he spells mpundweni this way twice capitalizing it & the word beacon too which he changes to pillar in another place which leads me to believe it may
     Oct 20, 2000 @ 19:34 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
811. My page
     So Michael mentioned a few weeks ago that we should have a web page for all the county enclaves and intersecting borders we were collecting. So I thought
     Oct 21, 2000 @ 00:12 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
812. Re: [BoundaryPoint] My page
     magnificent job arif it is wonderful to see all these birds of a feather actually flocking together as if with a single mind will look for your weekly novelty
     Oct 21, 2000 @ 08:27 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
813. Re: [BoundaryPoint] tp belgium germany holland aka bedenl
     http://home.hccnet.nl/c.damen/images/landkaart/landkaart_stip.jpg gives a nice outline map of neutral moresnet & shows how it used to meet the bedenl point in
     Oct 21, 2000 @ 08:27 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
814. Possible tripoint picture
     Unconfirmed wet tripoint photo on Albania-Macedonia-Greece http://www.markopolo.com/in_coming/makedonija/ezera/lake-prespa.htm Jesper
     Oct 22, 2000 @ 12:02 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
815. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 2 tps in one pic
     Mike, thanks for the comment on the satllite photos. I agreed that they are not ideal, but they are a fine solution until a more precise photo is found.
     Oct 22, 2000 @ 12:17 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
816. Gideo on Israel
     Hi Mike Whats does Giddy then say on Israel boundary + tps. Jesper
     Oct 22, 2000 @ 12:35 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
817. BorderPictures
     I have added a few pics: NOSEFI ARBRPY and a special : Ceuta-Morocco http://www.image.dk/~jesniel/border/border.htm Jesper
     Oct 22, 2000 @ 12:59 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
818. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Possible tripoint picture
     bravissimo jesper i believe you have succeeded here with a point i have tried & only dreamt of finding a multimap zoom gives a great ride into here & helps
     Oct 22, 2000 @ 18:13 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
819. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 2 tps in one pic
     wonderful lets go for it then in fact it will probably be easy to assemble the full collection if everything is gis digitized as i imagine & this could then be
     Oct 22, 2000 @ 18:25 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
820. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gideo on Israel
     he gives about 8 large pages of mostly historical details on the boundaries usually mentions they are marked when dry & of course gives nothing definitive
     Oct 22, 2000 @ 19:01 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
821. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Possible tripoint picture
     Hi Mike Here is a nice tripoint map of Lake Prespa (Albania-Macedonia-Greece) http://www.f1.net.au/users/igortoni/lakespre.html Jesper
     Oct 22, 2000 @ 19:04 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
822. possibly the first tp on a stamp
     the peak behind the mountain gorillas on this rwandan postage stamp http://www.pibburns.com/cryptost/rwan363.jpg stands a good chance of being mount sabinyo or
     Oct 22, 2000 @ 19:18 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
823. Topomap of DK
     http://kort.jubii.dk now seems to be working again - zoom into the border, and then get a an arial shot too. Jesper
     Oct 22, 2000 @ 19:17 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
824. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Possible tripoint picture
     hi jesper fantastic confirmation you can even see the tripoint & the island at the same time here now m
     Oct 22, 2000 @ 21:15 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
825. Tripoint MK-AL-GR
     Hallo everybody, Floating border mark on the tripartite border point among Republic of Macedonia, Republic of Albania and Republic of Greece, has never been
     Oct 23, 2000 @ 08:01 - Mile Milenkoski ("Mile Milenkoski" <mmilenkoski@...>)
826. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoint MK-AL-GR
     Hello Mile Great link there. Do you have any photos of the other Macedonian tripoints or boundary markers. Best regards Jesper ... From: Mile Milenkoski
     Oct 23, 2000 @ 20:23 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
827. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoint MK-AL-GR
     ... 1000 additional welcomes mile if we may prolong the red carpet for you are the first public official to join us & thanxx & kudos to you & dr talevski for
     Oct 24, 2000 @ 03:24 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
828. tp macedonia albania greece
     photo of golem grad or veliki grad the island in lake prespa just northeast of the algrmk tripoint & the closest dry land to the point posted at
     Oct 24, 2000 @ 06:54 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
829. Rabbit holes
     Mike, Here are pictures of three holes in the ground. Actually, the hole is gone at the first one, ks-mo-ok tripoint. Joyce didn t wet her pants. That s a
     Oct 26, 2000 @ 03:10 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@gisco.net>)
830. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Rabbit holes
     welcome home & thanks jack your update on ksmook suggests to me we are all probably correct here at least joyce seems to be standing just where i remember the
     Oct 26, 2000 @ 08:31 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
831. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Rabbit holes continued
     also jack you have raised a marvelous coinsidence of topics here as well as of lines & points for on your journey well devoted to rabbit hole renewal &
     Oct 26, 2000 @ 20:33 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
832. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon on Jungholz
     ... I got the following fomr a colleague just after your message: i haven t been there, but i have it first hand from the person responsible in the austrian
     Oct 29, 2000 @ 05:50 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
833. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon on Jungholz
     brendan multi wonderful news & congrats to you & us especially for this our first visit to a tri country point in real time & extra good of you to make it just
     Oct 28, 2000 @ 16:13 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
834. Re: [BoundaryPoint] tp belgium germany holland aka bedenl
     no, no ,no, what i meant was, accordingf to Versailles, Moresnet was integrated into Belgium along with Epen/Malmedy (subject to a plebiscite where those NOT
     Oct 29, 2000 @ 05:58 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
835. out for a news tour of the first state
     & some other fascinating delaware points then down the blue ridge etc on a leaf peak stretch back soon m
     Oct 28, 2000 @ 19:06 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
836. Sv: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon on Jungholz
     Hi Brendan and Jesper, Jungholz again and again: Personally I do not see any contradiction in terms on this matter: Let s assume there s a geometric point on
     Oct 29, 2000 @ 12:15 - Peter & Marianne Hering ("Peter & Marianne Hering" <hering@...>)
837. The Iron Curtain
     http://www.brianrose.com/lostborder.htm
     Nov 01, 2000 @ 19:56 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
838. Web pages
     I have created a link page and added a few map sites there. Unfortunately, I still do not have a tripoint site. I didn t find an all-encompassing US or world
     Nov 01, 2000 @ 20:13 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
839. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Digest Number 116
     Dudes, I need to be alone... Naw, ha ha, it s just that I can t keep up with my mailbox... You see I m an importaint player in the stupid romanization
     Nov 02, 2000 @ 15:11 - Dan Jacobson=¿n¤¦¥§ ("Dan Jacobson=¿n¤¦¥§" <jidanni@...>)
840. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Digest Number 116
     Dan, just a suggestion, but you can change your e-mail options from the main page to digest (one multiple e-mail per day, or no e-mail, which lets you stay
     Nov 02, 2000 @ 15:36 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
841. Where is this
     Hi Group Where is this: Please help http://search.gallery.yahoo.com/search/corbis_id?p=cid%3A11270124 Jesper
     Nov 04, 2000 @ 21:01 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
842. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Where is this
     Here is another one: http://search.gallery.yahoo.com/search/corbis_id?p=cid%3A11448328 Jesper ... From: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen To:
     Nov 04, 2000 @ 21:03 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
843. Hong Kong - CHina
     We think the HK-China border is heavily guarded, well have a look: http://www.btinternet.com/~purplesafari/gtej/20000522/ Jesper
     Nov 04, 2000 @ 22:09 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
844. Did anybody know this?
     http://www.dallasnews.com/travel/canada/25677_border.html Jesper
     Nov 04, 2000 @ 22:16 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
845. An airport ON the border
     http://partners.nytimes.com/library/travel/practical/pt990110.html Jesper
     Nov 04, 2000 @ 23:21 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
846. Benin-Burkino Faso-Niger tripoint
     no picture, but http://www.wcmc.org.uk/protected_areas/data/wh/ w -np.htm Jesper
     Nov 04, 2000 @ 23:22 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
847. Jungholz connection is a point
     ... Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 16:39:57 +0100 From: Andrew U. Frank To: David Mark Subject: RE:
     Nov 06, 2000 @ 15:54 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
848. Is this gate the border?
     http://search.gallery.yahoo.com/search/corbis_id?p=cid%3A10763599 Jesper
     Nov 06, 2000 @ 21:10 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
849. Fredag
     Hej Peter Hvornår skal vi ses på fredag? Mvh Jesper
     Nov 07, 2000 @ 19:22 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
850. Re: [BoundaryPoint] An airport ON the border
     I want to point out after Peter telling me and doing some research (today the airport sent me a nice map with the tripoint of Basel), that the airport is not
     Nov 09, 2000 @ 19:24 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
851. Tibet border
     Tibet bordering what country? http://community.webshots.com/photo/3304079/3324482xqHWrfChRQ Jesper
     Nov 09, 2000 @ 21:33 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
852. Border and Frontiers
     Just wandering if you are also tired of searching for borders and getting dogs, and searching for frontiers and getting cars? ;-) Jesper
     Nov 09, 2000 @ 21:39 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
853. France and ?
     http://community.webshots.com/photo/1798878/1904832zemfbTNGbZ
     Nov 09, 2000 @ 22:02 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
854. KL-PJ Border
     http://community.webshots.com/photo/5201425/5842570YSeBfadBDi Sorry where?? Jesper
     Nov 09, 2000 @ 21:17 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
855. Re: [BoundaryPoint] An airport ON the border
     It is interesting and worth checking out the airport site. http://www.euroairport.com/pages/infos/index_infos_e.html is the site. There are two plans of
     Nov 09, 2000 @ 23:21 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
857. Belize-Guatemala Border
     Some interesting events surrounding the Belize/Guatemala border... The first 3 stories from Belize s The Reporter newspaper. The final one from Channel 5
     Nov 10, 2000 @ 17:40 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug_murray@...>)
858. New great border site
     I and Peter just surfed on this great border site Unfortunately it is in Dutch and German, but it has great links and information for border freaks. Jesper
     Nov 10, 2000 @ 19:08 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
859. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New great border site
     Is there anybody who could possibly translate the website to me? It is at moments like this, I wished I took German in college. ...
     Nov 11, 2000 @ 04:50 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
860. Re: [BoundaryPoint] translator
     ... From: Arif Samad Reply-To: BoundaryPoint@egroups.com Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 20:50:46 -0800 (PST) ... Hi. For a surprisingly good
     Nov 11, 2000 @ 08:46 - Rolf Palmberg LI ("Rolf Palmberg LI" <rpalmber@...>)
861. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New great border site
     Go to http://world.altavista.com/ and type in the URL or the web page you wish to translate, select the language pair. The translations are bad, often very
     Nov 11, 2000 @ 14:00 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
862. Re: Fwd: [BoundaryPoint] Web pages
     thanx arif this is wonderful so georgia now leads the entire rest of the world in circle towns by a revised vote count of 2 to 0 i would like to call for
     Nov 11, 2000 @ 16:26 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
863. Re: Fwd: Re: [BoundaryPoint] tp belgium germany holland aka bedenl
     ok brendan beautiful visitation report & glad to have these corrections & multi negations from which i gather you mean you would end the multipoint chronology
     Nov 11, 2000 @ 16:28 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
864. Re: Fwd: [BoundaryPoint] Web pages
     I started from Plains, working eastward, on the TIGER map server, and immediately found two more circular cities, different radii and almost tangent to each
     Nov 11, 2000 @ 17:53 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
865. Re: Tibet border
     hej answer is nepal m so do i get a prize
     Nov 11, 2000 @ 20:03 - moc.il@li.com (moc.il@...)
866. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Tibet border
     Hej m P already gave me the answer. And there is no silver medal. Jesper ... From: To: Sent: Saturday, November 11,
     Nov 11, 2000 @ 20:06 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
867. Re: Fwd: [BoundaryPoint] Web pages
     michael, good intuition that there might be more circular towns in Georgia USA! Circular city limits in Georgia: Leslie De Soto Plains Smithville (incomplete
     Nov 11, 2000 @ 20:20 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
868. Re: Fwd: [BoundaryPoint] Web pages
     ... bired is a combination of bored and tired ... :-)
     Nov 11, 2000 @ 20:27 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
869. Re: KL-PJ Border
     well i shouldnt tell you if you dont give prizes but i think kl stands for kuala lumpur & pj petaling jaya which i believe are actually noncontiguous secondary
     Nov 11, 2000 @ 20:35 - moc.il@li.com (moc.il@...)
870. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: KL-PJ Border
     On this one I rested my case when I realized in was not an international boundary. jesper ... From: To: Sent:
     Nov 11, 2000 @ 20:36 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
871. Re: Fwd: [BoundaryPoint] Web pages
     awesome david many thanxx m but what do you think explains all this swiss cheese moonscape occurring only in georgia
     Nov 11, 2000 @ 20:39 - moc.il@li.com (moc.il@...)
872. breaking news
     not yet fully recounted but at least you can see the full monumental tour of the cardinal extremities of delaware at
     Nov 11, 2000 @ 20:49 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
873. Re: Fwd: [BoundaryPoint] Web pages
     Ok, I did not think about checking Census maps to find out if there were circular towns. Then again, I thought it would be weird that Georgia would be the
     Nov 11, 2000 @ 21:29 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
874. Re: Fwd: [BoundaryPoint] Web pages
     yeah but did you just see daley & christopher in the naval observatory circle m
     Nov 11, 2000 @ 22:00 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
875. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Belize-Guatemala Border
     good lord doug this is multi fantastic news & many welcomes to you in any case the mention of the aguas turbias terminus at the belize guatemala mexico tri
     Nov 11, 2000 @ 22:01 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
876. Re: Fwd: [BoundaryPoint] Web pages
     I would suspect a state law facoring them. Rules for county and local government are set by each state. It seems very rational once you think about it, that
     Nov 11, 2000 @ 22:54 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
877. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Benin-Burkino Faso-Niger tripoint
     good catch jesper better than a picture in a way & this article also seems to give us at the apparently southernmost point of the park our first up to the
     Nov 12, 2000 @ 00:06 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
878. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Jungholz connection is a point
     here we go indeed this makes it conclusive at 3 unquestionable votes for a point as opposed to 1 or 2 unquestionable votes against a point i think but i forget
     Nov 12, 2000 @ 01:01 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
879. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New great border site
     great stuff here dudes also can anyone say if there is any info about any multipoints lurking amidst all these words & pix excuse me for asking but my dutch is
     Nov 12, 2000 @ 03:12 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
880. Re: [BoundaryPoint] France and ?
     hmmm very interesting since they were evidently en route at the time from denmark to metz & later proceeded toward verdun & calais &c this almost has to be
     Nov 12, 2000 @ 03:35 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
881. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New great border site
     Try www.babelfish.com, or any of the other online translation engineS: cut and paste the text into the translation site, sfor a workable if not masterful
     Nov 12, 2000 @ 19:37 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
882. Re: Fwd: Re: [BoundaryPoint] tp belgium germany holland aka bedenl
     What about the south pole, for 2 Aussie bits, a NZ bit, a French one, a Brit one (or Chilean or Agentinian), and the unclaimed/Norwegian bit. That s 6, with 2
     Nov 12, 2000 @ 19:47 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
883. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Jungholz connection is a point
     This one is really bother Peter alot, and he is chasing the truth with zeal. So the last word is not said in this matter yet. For the new people, here is a
     Nov 12, 2000 @ 15:05 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
884. Re: [BoundaryPoint] France and ?
     You get a prize, but I m afraid we don t send overseas. Peter s guess is Spain judging on the flat house, not Andorra as he says there is only one way to get
     Nov 12, 2000 @ 15:08 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
885. Re: [BoundaryPoint] France and ?
     Most of the Spain-France crossings have much steeper topography than that, including the one closest to the Mediterranean. So I was guessing it must be up in
     Nov 12, 2000 @ 15:26 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
886. Re: [BoundaryPoint] France and ?
     I will try to write to the man who posted the photo. So far I did not manage to get hold of any e-mail address from his site. Jesper ... From: David Mark
     Nov 12, 2000 @ 15:45 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
887. Sv: [BoundaryPoint] France and ?
     Yes Mark, you re right (again) in principle - but France and Spain do have a few crossings close to the Mediterranean where the topography looks like the one
     Nov 12, 2000 @ 19:15 - Peter & Marianne Hering ("Peter & Marianne Hering" <hering@...>)
888. Re: [BoundaryPoint] France and ?
     jesper that may not be necessary instead just click back into the original website below & then click trace the photographers dated itinerary since this
     Nov 12, 2000 @ 21:14 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
890. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Belize-Guatemala Border
     Your link creates this error msg: You have reached a restricted area. Please return to Yahoo! Photos. Jesper ... From: Doug Murray
     Nov 12, 2000 @ 21:19 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
892. Re: Belize-Guatemala Border
     Argh! Ok, here is a link that works: http://photos.yahoo.com/dougmurray85 and then select the BELIZE BITS album. ... hope ... MX. ... year s ... NTSC? ...
     Nov 12, 2000 @ 21:31 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
893. Re: Belize-Guatemala Border (updated with fixed link)
     I wish I were replying from Belize, but in actual fact home is Vancouver, BC. I m the guy that created the Point Roberts, WA/Tsawassen BC site. Anyway... I
     Nov 12, 2000 @ 21:33 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
894. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Belize-Guatemala Border (updated with fixed link)
     The IBRU at Durham has the Pyrenees prog fomr Frontiers , and a copy of the book (essays, close to the scripts, from each frontier narrator, with photos). You
     Nov 13, 2000 @ 14:57 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
895. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Jungholz connection is a point
     There is a file in the Public Record Office in London on Jungholz and Kleinweisertal (sp?) nearby, when they were in the British sector of austria post-war.
     Nov 13, 2000 @ 15:08 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
896. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Belize-Guatemala Border
     wow that is still better news also my detail map of the bzgtmx region made in vancouver btw shows that the access from mexico is probably worst evidently
     Nov 12, 2000 @ 23:23 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
897. Re: [BoundaryPoint] tp belgium germany holland aka bedenl
     yes that is my favorite simpsons moment of all time & jane & i caught it on tv just as we returned home following our failed attempt to drop a buoy at the
     Nov 13, 2000 @ 00:50 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
898. RE: circular cities in georgia??? (fwd)
     many circular city limits in South carolina as well! Go to http://tiger.census.gov/cgi-bin/mapbrowse-tbl/ scroll down to the botton, and search for Estill, SC
     Nov 13, 2000 @ 13:53 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
899. Re: circular cities in georgia??? (fwd)
     I have put Lynn s attachments up on the web at http://www.geog.buffalo.edu/~dmark/circles.html instead of emailing them as attachments. David ... Date: Mon, 13
     Nov 13, 2000 @ 16:34 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
900. GCEBE-sept.01 - video
     Hi Doug, thanks for your mail - yes, that would be a phantastic idea making a video of this trip which must be the very first of its kind... - count me in -
     Nov 13, 2000 @ 17:41 - Peter & Marianne Hering ("Peter & Marianne Hering" <hering@...>)
901. Re: [BoundaryPoint] GCEBE-sept.01 - video
     Peter: The planning begins... Walking the Line is available via www.chapters.ca a retail bookseller in this part of the Empire. Do a search of the title, and
     Nov 13, 2000 @ 18:14 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dougmurray@...>)
902. Re: [BoundaryPoint] RE: circular cities in georgia??? (fwd)
     great news & research david & cool use of this nice toy too so do you think circle towns is a national thing or only a bubba thing or what perhaps it just
     Nov 13, 2000 @ 18:47 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
903. This is not a border post
     Sorry for posting off topic, but I would like to share this one with my American friends in case they did not know.
     Nov 13, 2000 @ 20:49 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
904. Re: Delaware
     hey bill how are you digging the florida game awesome baby & i just spoke to captain terry & reserved his bass boat to do glhemaokpa on inauguration day
     Nov 14, 2000 @ 00:09 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
905. Circular cities
     Thanks to David and Lynn we have an explanation of the why and how. For those who want to quickly look at some of these in AL, GA, NC and SC I recommend Road
     Nov 14, 2000 @ 04:13 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
906. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Circular cities
     hey jack i think we should hand count but sheesh i already certified it georgia 250 approx sc 125 approx nc 67 al 36 florida 1 m
     Nov 14, 2000 @ 14:32 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
907. laorospo lives too
     just saw polk county chime in on the new count mick
     Nov 14, 2000 @ 15:12 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
908. Zoomable map
     Just found these zoomable maps France: http://www.imaps.com Austria: http://www.netwing.at/austria/index_e.html (was down) Jesper
     Nov 14, 2000 @ 19:20 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
909. Celebration time - Jungholz mystery solved (I hope...)
     Hello everybody, this is the moment I ve been waiting for - frankly this tiny Alpine village of Jungholz has caused a lot of headache, and is the reason why my
     Nov 14, 2000 @ 20:04 - Peter & Marianne Hering ("Peter & Marianne Hering" <hering@...>)
910. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Zoomable map
     Should be France: http://www.ismap.com Jesper ... From: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@egroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 8:20 PM
     Nov 14, 2000 @ 20:21 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
911. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Celebration time - Jungholz mystery solved (I hope...)
     Peter...hoist one for me! Bill
     Nov 14, 2000 @ 20:34 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
912. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Celebration time - Jungholz mystery solved (I hope...)
     This agrees with my Austrian informant Andrew Frank of the Technical University of Vienna, so I think we have a result. The Jungholz region touches the
     Nov 14, 2000 @ 21:04 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
913. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Circular cities
     ... Boy, if we can t count 125 circles on a map accurately, no wonder they re having problems in Florida! ;-)
     Nov 15, 2000 @ 14:25 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
914. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Celebration time - Jungholz mystery solved (I hope...)
     Fantanstic! A bottle of Jaegermeister for the man, please waiter. That s the info I needed. I was under the impression the cross was on the point itself, but
     Nov 15, 2000 @ 15:38 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
915. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Circular cities
     It s circular logic. ... From: Brendan Whyte [mailto:brwhyte@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 9:25 AM To: BoundaryPoint@egroups.com Subject: Re:
     Nov 15, 2000 @ 05:29 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
916. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Circular cities
     yes i agree & one would think in a round circa 2000 we could be more exact than a round 300 votes m
     Nov 15, 2000 @ 12:42 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
917. Gideon's book
     Hi Michael Can you give me info on the borders of Ceuta & Melilla, Brunei and St Martin from Gideons Bible? Jesper
     Nov 15, 2000 @ 19:06 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
918. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon's book
     will gladly check it at the high school when my truck is fixed or when jane goes there to teach unless brendan can beat me to the punch & answer first in the
     Nov 15, 2000 @ 23:33 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
919. excuuuse me
     i only meant a coup that is judaeo military not a military coup that is jewish indeed there is no thought of any military coup success only m
     Nov 16, 2000 @ 14:57 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
920. florida megapoints
     all the tv networks are flashing the county map of florida several times per hour now & my own gaze of course keeps levitating to the maxipoint & indeed all
     Nov 16, 2000 @ 15:02 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
921. [BoundaryPoint] breaking news
     in the interests of finality & accuracy & fairness there is really no reason to even wait for friday nite nor the impending judaeo military coup in absentia
     Nov 16, 2000 @ 14:52 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
922. another question for william s schenck
     dear mr schenck thanxx for your response & again for http://www.udel.edu/dgs/pub/info6.html among all the other delaware state boundary monument facilities in
     Nov 16, 2000 @ 20:29 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
923. I know I shouldn't add to all the junk email, but this is funny!
     NOTICE OF REVOCATION OF INDEPENDENCE To the citizens of the United States of America, In the light of your failure to elect a President of the USA and thus to
     Nov 16, 2000 @ 20:46 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug_murray@...>)
924. Re: [BoundaryPoint] I know I shouldn't add to all the junk email, but this is funny!
     hahahaha but does this mean we lose our coastal & navigable waters to the crown too just like canada duh well nothing doing in that case because it would cost
     Nov 17, 2000 @ 00:02 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
925. Re: New great border site
     Hello, I m the maker of this Border site that features views of the Dutch- German (and Belgian border) As it shows views of the border of Holland, Germany and
     Nov 17, 2000 @ 20:26 - kahbeh@hotmail.com (kahbeh@...)
926. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: New great border site
     welcome bernd glad you share our interest too & funny how we all seem to be concentrating on the belgian dutch german tripoint about how far from there are you
     Nov 18, 2000 @ 21:50 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
927. great roundup of perfect circle boundaries
     on closer examination the overwhelming majority of the hundreds of circle cities depicted by the atlas of georgia & referred to in message 899 have evaporated
     Nov 18, 2000 @ 21:50 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
928. Re: New great border site
     Hello, the good thing about Holland and Belgium is that those countries are rather small, even for European standard. I m in Southern Holland Province, 20
     Nov 19, 2000 @ 08:17 - kahbeh@hotmail.com (kahbeh@...)
929. BORDER SITE now available in english
     hello, what to do when the weather is bad and it s raining cats and dogs? Right: translate an entire internet site into English. So my border site of the
     Nov 19, 2000 @ 18:58 - kahbeh@hotmail.com (kahbeh@...)
930. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BORDER SITE now available in english
     Bernd Link 15,16,17 are bad. Jesper ... From: To: Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 7:58 PM Subject:
     Nov 19, 2000 @ 19:28 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
931. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BORDER SITE now available in english
     Hi Bernd Where does the border run behind the boundary marker on this one? http://members.tripod.lycos.nl/grenze/grens04.JPG Jesper ... From:
     Nov 19, 2000 @ 19:46 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
932. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: New great border site
     ah so you must be somewhere around rotterdam excellent i just doubled back to your strange & wonderful site while trying to zero in further on your whereabouts
     Nov 19, 2000 @ 20:45 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
933. Boundary marker site
     http://abbott.ccm.emr.ca/ibc/ibcmarks.htm
     Nov 20, 2000 @ 21:54 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
934. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Digest Number 142
     hahahaha jesper you are such a kidder glad you are with us in north america now max
     Nov 21, 2000 @ 17:14 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
935. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Digest Number 142
     Hi max I don t see the joke. Jesper ... From: michael donner To: Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 6:14 PM
     Nov 21, 2000 @ 19:48 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
936. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon's book
     This is really hard to say, but I actually underestimated Gideon. Gideon in his book actually mentions there is an enclave within Madha named Nahwa and I did
     Nov 22, 2000 @ 00:22 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
937. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Digest Number 142
     oh ok i only thought you were jesting because your ibc link had already appeared twice before in our egroups links section & i imagined you were also aware of
     Nov 22, 2000 @ 02:41 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
938. Jungholz maps
     I have 2 scans of my Jungholz maps available: 1:50 000 Austrian sheet 84 Jungholz dated 1988 (tho German info on it is 1993!) and 1:25 000 German sheet 8428
     Nov 23, 2000 @ 04:43 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
939. Re: binational quadripoints
     would much like to see your jungholz maps brendan if you would send them to j@discovernet.net thanx m & it was fun to retrace this thread did you learn
     Nov 23, 2000 @ 14:32 - moc.il@li.com (moc.il@...)
940. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon's book
     fascinating so it is evidently not yet possible to say for sure which is the shortest international boundary in the world my vote or rather guess would be for
     Nov 23, 2000 @ 17:08 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
941. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon's book
     ... I get BoundaryPoint messages by email, there are never message numbers and I only keep a few, references to previous messages by number doesn t work
     Nov 23, 2000 @ 17:22 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
942. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon's book
     excellent anything for a giddy would this format work better for you http://www.egroups.com/message/boundarypoint/917 m
     Nov 23, 2000 @ 19:47 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
943. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Jungholz maps
     Hello Brendan I think we all would like to see these Jungholz-maps. Cannot you post them on a site? If you don t have a site to post on get one free. At
     Nov 23, 2000 @ 19:42 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
944. Geneve
     Just discovered Geneve is a great place for border freaks. The city is growing beyound the border to France which surrounds Geneve. And Geneve is only
     Nov 23, 2000 @ 19:48 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
945. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Geneve
     ... From: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@egroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 8:48 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Geneve Just discovered
     Nov 23, 2000 @ 19:52 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
946. a fourth consecutive north american megapoint is likely
     the discovery earlier this year of a mexican quadristate point counterpart of the azconmut 4corners point of the united states & also of the new canadian
     Nov 23, 2000 @ 23:02 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
947. Jungholz: 1:50 000 Austrian
     Due to popular demand, here goes! 1:50 000 Austrian sheet 84 Jungholz dated 1988 Brendan
     Nov 24, 2000 @ 00:25 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
948. Jungholz scans 1:50k & 1:25k
     Aha! Discovered how to convert them to jpg, and so they are small enough to send. Austrian 1:50k German 1:25k Brendan
     Nov 24, 2000 @ 01:11 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
949. Sv: [BoundaryPoint] Jungholz scans 1:50k & 1:25k
     Dear Brendan, thanks for your Jungholz maps - what s wrong with mine...? It s been available for a couple of months now on:
     Nov 24, 2000 @ 09:55 - Peter & Marianne Hering ("Peter & Marianne Hering" <hering@...>)
950. partition of lake nicaragua is still uncertain
     hopes of finding a second order quintipoint in lake nicaragua have been encouraged by the recent discovery that various islands in the lake are definitely
     Nov 26, 2000 @ 03:15 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
951. potential new quadripoint countries
     unconfirmed discoveries accidentally made while searching for megapoint lakes peruvian quadridepartmental point hulosauc huanuco loreto san martin ucayali
     Nov 26, 2000 @ 03:16 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
952. Re: New great border site
     Hello, and yes, correct: There are two towns in Germany with the same name Frankfurt: One is in central Germany called Frankfurt on the Maine river where all
     Nov 26, 2000 @ 08:24 - kahbeh@hotmail.com (kahbeh@...)
953. Re: Geneve
     hello, the Swiss border is one of the most bizarre ones it goes back and forth and up and down and takes a bow here and there: In addition to Geneva check out
     Nov 26, 2000 @ 08:28 - kahbeh@hotmail.com (kahbeh@...)
954. Re: BORDER SITE now available in english
     Hello, they were, I did not translate them in my marathon last weekend, I uploaded them this morning, the English version should work now, too. regards Bernd
     Nov 26, 2000 @ 08:31 - kahbeh@hotmail.com (kahbeh@...)
955. Re: BORDER SITE now available in english
     Inside the little red brick house are black-white photos dispalyed showing a two metre high fence, where now the little round stones are, as the road has been
     Nov 26, 2000 @ 08:34 - kahbeh@hotmail.com (kahbeh@...)
956. Countries within Italy
     Has anybody ever told you that there are two countries within Italy? Well, they are not telling the truth. No seriously - it is not the truth! Infact there are
     Nov 26, 2000 @ 20:24 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
957. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Countries within Italy
     You forgot the Sovereign Military order of Malta, at Via Condotti 68, Rome, which is recognised as sovereign in international law and diplomatically by over 70
     Nov 26, 2000 @ 22:29 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
958. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: New great border site
     thank you again bernd & please understand i was just making fun of our american lingo which does indeed often say dutch for deutsche congrats also on being
     Nov 28, 2000 @ 04:26 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
959. hopes for a quintisecondary point are waning
     http://www.bidsnet.com.ni/On_line_dir/Nic%20Deptos1.GIF confirms the departmental distribution of the islands in lake nicaragua as previously noticed &
     Nov 28, 2000 @ 05:11 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
960. Re: [BoundaryPoint] hopes for a quintisecondary point are waning
     ... No. each coastal nation will , as per international law, use negotiated equidistance lines out to sea from the extrewmity of their land boundaries, and
     Nov 28, 2000 @ 21:40 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
961. Re: [BoundaryPoint] hopes for a quintisecondary point are waning
     ... glad to have your reaction but again i wonder do you mean no they could not conceivably do so for i did just conceive of it on the other hand i would
     Nov 29, 2000 @ 02:58 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
962. Weird Estonian boundary, enclaves and multipoints.
     An interesting portion of the Estonia/Russia boundary taken from 1:50 000 Estonian maps. Anyone been there? Northern sheet 1979, southern 1990 [yes, I know the
     Nov 29, 2000 @ 03:05 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
963. Sv: [BoundaryPoint] Re: New great border site
     Dear Mike, thanks for your comments on the actual state of member visits to tripoints - you re right about things rather going slowly at this time - b u t : I
     Nov 29, 2000 @ 08:16 - Peter & Marianne Hering ("Peter & Marianne Hering" <hering@...>)
964. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon's book
     hi jesper & thanx for your patience the short stories are ceuta & melilla borders date from mid 19th c treaties land boundaries are 8 & 10km respectively &
     Nov 29, 2000 @ 17:10 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
965. tri country point visits
     hey pete & thank you again too for i certainly am looking forward to the gcebe & am fully committed to it whether i attend personally or not as previously
     Nov 29, 2000 @ 19:21 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
966. Tripoints
     I was lend some great articles from Peter (you will get them back soon) written by our friend Rolf Palmberg (maybe we could translate and post, Rolf?). He
     Nov 29, 2000 @ 19:21 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
967. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoints
     great news you guys i wish i had known of this request when i was at the high school this morning looking at gideon duh but perhaps arif or david or brendan
     Nov 29, 2000 @ 20:58 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
968. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoints
     Mike Thanks for mailing!! Please give us some samples of Brownlie s. I am interested (who isn t ? Our wives?) in African tripoints that are definate and
     Nov 29, 2000 @ 20:54 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
969. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Weird Estonian boundary, enclaves and multipoints.
     Great maps there Brendan. I must admit it takes some concentration to look at borders around these new eastern states. It s like a crazy puzzle. Jesper ...
     Nov 29, 2000 @ 20:57 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
970. brownlie on tp algeria libya niger
     no evidence of a definitive tripoint monument but ordinary ground marking is perhaps impracticable in the prevailing conditions which may involve shifting
     Nov 29, 2000 @ 23:04 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
971. brownlie on tp algeria libya tunisia
     in several places brownlie says & gideon incidentally agrees the definitive tripoint marker is situated at boundary mark 220 of the 1911 franco turkish
     Nov 30, 2000 @ 03:26 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
972. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoints
     ... No problem. And thanks for your nice wordings. Rolf
     Nov 30, 2000 @ 07:34 - rpalmber@abo.fi (rpalmber@...)
973. brownlie on tp algeria mauritania western sahara
     this one is especially problematic there are some indications that pillar 40 of the 1956 franco spanish boundary commission may serve as the definitive
     Dec 01, 2000 @ 21:23 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
974. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoints
     jesper & friends on tp belarus latvia lithuania gideon says it is 25km south of daugavpils latvia & 25km east of zarasai lithuania & also east of the vilnius
     Dec 01, 2000 @ 21:22 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
975. brownlie on tp algeria mali niger
     tripoint is not exactly fixed owing to a lack of demarcation of all 3 convergent boundaries & is a matter of some doubt tho it is marked on maps it was
     Dec 01, 2000 @ 21:22 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
976. brownlie on tp algeria mali mauritania
     there was evidently no definitive tripoint marker as of 1979 nor were any of the 3 convergent boundaries demarcated but the tripoint is indicated clearly on
     Dec 01, 2000 @ 21:22 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
977. brownlie on tp algeria morocco western sahara
     this one is problematic too there are some clues that pillar 41 of the 1956 franco spanish boundary commission may serve as the definitive tripoint marker but
     Dec 01, 2000 @ 21:23 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
978. brownlie on tp angola congo congo democratic republic
     this is the cabinda exclave tripoint it lies at a natural line intersection where the chiloango river thalweg runs past the ridge of heights that mark the
     Dec 01, 2000 @ 21:23 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
979. brownlie on tp angola congo democratic republic zambia
     incredibly the tripoint position is left in some doubt despite the fact that all 3 of the convergent boundaries are demarcated & despite the additional fact
     Dec 01, 2000 @ 21:23 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
980. Llivia
     Great to find border freaks online Maybe someone is interested in the link http://www.llivia.com Jesper
     Dec 01, 2000 @ 21:17 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
981. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon's book
     A few things to answer both Mike and Jesper - First of all, the nearest place where I have seen the Gideon book is a library four blocks away. It s only
     Dec 02, 2000 @ 00:05 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
982. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon's book
     many beauties here arif ... happily i was able to borrow the hi school copy again til wednesday so fire away til then anyone ... this is fantastic how long do
     Dec 02, 2000 @ 16:47 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
983. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Llivia
     ... great freakin language they have there too & nice map right down to the tennis courts it even looks like there may be a second order exclave in the gray
     Dec 02, 2000 @ 16:48 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
984. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Weird Estonian boundary, enclaves and multipoints.
     something dreamlike about all those russky maps like one might expect to find only sand castles or fictional characters there maybe better in the imagination
     Dec 02, 2000 @ 16:48 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
985. brownlie on tp angola namibia zambia
     definitive tripoint since 1964 is marked by a 1931 provisional beacon designated either as number 9 in the westward series demarcating the namibia zambia
     Dec 02, 2000 @ 16:49 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
986. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Llivia
     ... The little picture on http://www.llivia.com/access.htm seems to confirm my recollection from my visit to Llivia, that there is quite a bit of farmland
     Dec 02, 2000 @ 18:38 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
987. up-date language border site
     Goodmorning, can inform everyone that the December-update just took place on the Strange border site Section 11 - Essen and surroundings are now-online
     Dec 03, 2000 @ 07:54 - kahbeh@hotmail.com (kahbeh@...)
988. African tripoints
     Mike Thanks for the hard work on the African tripoints. I have decided that since you work so hard and quick I will post your notes on
     Dec 03, 2000 @ 18:26 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
989. Re: [BoundaryPoint] African tripoints
     awesome as usual jesper & for me it was only hard & quick play very grateful m ps south africa is coming soon
     Dec 03, 2000 @ 21:20 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
990. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Llivia
     you must be right david it was just too fantastical anyway & mapquest & multimap also tend to confirm your view glad to know you have really been there too m
     Dec 03, 2000 @ 21:21 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
991. Re: [BoundaryPoint] up-date language border site
     beauteous bernd & wonderful that you are multi strange now too at first we had a slight strangeness ourselves here but our original one seems to have gotten
     Dec 03, 2000 @ 21:21 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
992. THE ULTIMATE BOUNDARY QUIZ OF THE MILLENNIUM
     highest salutes to brendan & martin for these multi quantum leaps into frivolity wishing i had a clue m
     Dec 03, 2000 @ 21:22 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
993. chad presidential election pregnant
     president of this developing country is elected by direct popular vote to serve 5 year terms if no candidate receives at least half the total vote the 2
     Dec 03, 2000 @ 21:22 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
994. benin burkina faso niger
     tripoint was not precisely fixed as of 1979 but is situated in the mekrou river at about n lat 11d 54m 15s & e long 2d 25m 10s it was formerly a vague french
     Dec 03, 2000 @ 21:23 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
995. botswana namibia south africa
     tripoint is where left bank of nossob river crosses e long 20d exactly as demarcated between 1898 & 1903 by anglo german commission & is at about s lat 24d 40m
     Dec 03, 2000 @ 21:24 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
996. benin burkina faso togo
     tripoint is probably unmarked on the ground tho it lies at a junction of 3 straight line boundaries at point 109 of the 1912 franco german delimitation in n
     Dec 03, 2000 @ 21:23 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
997. benin niger nigeria
     tripoint is fixed on median line of river niger per 1906 anglo french agreement about 3km north of a cairn at the madekale tuandi lolo road junction at that
     Dec 03, 2000 @ 21:23 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
998. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Llivia
     David is correct. The location maps show the enclave to be a crescent shape, with the town at one end, and the castle on the hill above the town. There are no
     Dec 03, 2000 @ 23:01 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
999. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Llivia
     I have been to Baarle, Llivia, Gibraltar, Andorra, Point Roberts, San Marino, seen Asia from a US village, Africa from Europe-- but I have never been to an
     Dec 03, 2000 @ 23:06 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
1000. Llivia and Jervis Bay
      The following (hopefully attached!) scans are from: Puigcerda,sheet 217, 1:50 000, Spain (I can t read the publishers info, but the only date given is 1949,
      Dec 04, 2000 @ 01:04 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
1001. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Llivia and Jervis Bay
      cool maps & adventures brendan & congrats to you & us all on message 1000 you must be our millennium specialist anyway does this map mean to indicate
      Dec 05, 2000 @ 02:25 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1002. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Llivia
      wow so does this mean you saw continental russia from little diomede that is extremely cool if so hats off & earmuffs too africa from europe gibraltar well ok
      Dec 05, 2000 @ 02:25 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1003. botswana namibia zambia
      the following analysis is actually a slight simplification of brownlie since there is much too much detail to repeat it is unresolved whether the easternmost
      Dec 05, 2000 @ 02:26 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1004. botswana south africa zimbabwe
      tripoint situated at confluence of rivers shashi & limpopo but there is no agreement on its precise location by my very rough guess s lat 22d 30m e long 29d
      Dec 05, 2000 @ 02:26 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1005. botswana zambia zimbabwe & maybe namibia
      the basic tripoint is fixed at the thalweg junction of the chobe & zambezi rivers & it also represents both the westernmost point of zimbabwe & the
      Dec 05, 2000 @ 02:26 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1006. burkina faso ghana ivory coast
      tripoint on thalweg of black volta at approx n lat 9d 29m 30s & very approx w long 2d 40m no witness mark map evidence only
      Dec 05, 2000 @ 02:26 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1007. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Llivia and Jervis Bay
      Oz tripoints are all wqell demarcated, and are sources of tourism for $WDers, as three are in the middle of nowhere. One is the site of a pub: The Corner
      Dec 05, 2000 @ 02:36 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1008. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Llivia and Jervis Bay
      Oz tripoints are all well demarcated, and are sources of tourism for 4WDers, as three are in the middle of nowhere. One is the site of a pub: The Corner
      Dec 05, 2000 @ 02:37 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1009. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Llivia
      ... Actually, from the little town of Gambell, Alaska, at the western end of Saint Lawrence Island, looking across to the snowy mountains of the Chukotsky
      Dec 05, 2000 @ 04:05 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
1010. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Llivia
      I am also a tripoint virgin, but I also want to boast!! I have been to the southern most point of Africa. This is the non-political tripoint where Africa
      Dec 05, 2000 @ 19:52 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1011. Gideon
      Hi Mike Thanks for the letter - I got it yesterday. It was awesome to get a taste of Gideon. I tried to get the University Library in Aalborg to lend it out to
      Dec 05, 2000 @ 19:58 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1012. Re: extreme points
      I totally agree with you. Greenland is NOT Europe! North Cape is NOT mainland Europe. Jesper ... From: David Mark To: Jesper &
      Dec 05, 2000 @ 21:32 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1013. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: extreme points
      I and had one foot on each side of the GMT time. I have never forgiven the map makers for making the GMT+Equator a wet point. I told myself at Cape Agulhas: of
      Dec 05, 2000 @ 21:36 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1014. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Llivia
      On the maps I would like to add that I find http://maps.expedia.com much better than Mapquest. Mapquest make very wide borders and it can be hard to see what s
      Dec 06, 2000 @ 19:56 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1015. Jervis Bay
      Arif points out that Beecroft Pen doesn t show up as Jervis Bat Terr on some maps. This is certianly true of the new Wollongong Special 1:250 000 topo
      Dec 07, 2000 @ 00:35 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
1016. Jervis Bay maps and Oz borders
      For info on Austrlaia s state borders, see: however, the 32km length of the JBT seems strange... http://www.auslig.gov.au/facts/borders.htm Maps of Jervis bay
      Dec 07, 2000 @ 00:58 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1017. continental extremities we have seen
      thanxx to all for boasting so what were you waiting for now anybody please help fill in &or correct this first world news try africa n cap blanc
      Dec 07, 2000 @ 04:12 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1018. burkina faso ghana togo
      the tripoint is defined as pillar 148 of the 1930 anglo french demarcation & is situated on the river kulutamsi at approx n lat 11d 08m 13s w long 0d 08m 09s
      Dec 07, 2000 @ 04:13 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1019. burkina faso ivory coast mali
      tripoint is at confluence of rivers bani & leraba but whether at thalweg or median line junction is in doubt as there is no documentation or agreement but only
      Dec 07, 2000 @ 04:13 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1020. burkina faso mali niger
      tripoint not fixed with certainty tho it is indicated hypothetically & approximately on various maps at about n lat 14d 59m 30s e long 0d 13m 30s
      Dec 07, 2000 @ 04:14 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1021. burundi congo democratic republic rwanda
      tripoint expressly fixed by 1949 ordonnance at confluence of rivers luhwa & rusizi presumed by u s state dept to be at thalweg junction very roughly s lat 2d
      Dec 07, 2000 @ 04:14 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1022. burundi congo democratic republic tanzania
      on median line of lake tanganyika which however has not been determined precisely at approx s lat 4d 27m & very roughly e long 29d 30m
      Dec 07, 2000 @ 04:14 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1023. burundi rwanda tanzania
      tripoint at thalweg junction of rivers mwibu & kagera very roughly s lat 2d 30m e long 30d 30m
      Dec 07, 2000 @ 04:14 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1024. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon
      jesper you are most welcome any time happily the new absentee ballots are coming from martin county tonite i should say martin & palm beach are the ma & pa of
      Dec 07, 2000 @ 04:34 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1025. Re: [BoundaryPoint] continental extremities we have seen
      Byron Bay is easy: you park and walk a few hundred metres. Been there. Cape York is drivable, but you need a good car and lots of insurance! Wilson s Prom is a
      Dec 07, 2000 @ 22:10 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1026. antipodes day
      june 7 unbirthday greetings to us all & a special serenade to founding father bill upon the attainment of our first boundarypoint calendrical antipodes
      Dec 08, 2000 @ 03:59 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1027. Sv: [BoundaryPoint] continental extremities we have seen
      Good morning everybody, and thankx mike for your effort on this matter... that s quite interesting: contin. extremities...yeah! I ve been to the following
      Dec 08, 2000 @ 08:04 - Peter & Marianne Hering ("Peter & Marianne Hering" <hering@...>)
1028. Re: FW: Important eGroups Moderator News
      bill this is so awesome i trust you meant all us yahoos of the all parties party & hope yahoos wide array of web functionality will include a webcam torch to
      Dec 08, 2000 @ 15:49 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1029. Re: [BoundaryPoint] continental extremities we have seen
      yeay pete yeay brendan at least 4 cheers apiece & see below ... this is very interesting & reminds me of how key west proclaims itself americas island paradise
      Dec 08, 2000 @ 16:19 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1030. Center of Europe
      Anyone else want to have a go on where the center of Europe is? Jesper
      Dec 08, 2000 @ 17:52 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1031. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Center of Europe
      As far as I know, the midpoint of the rectangle drawn with the four extreme meridians is generally considered the center of a certain place. It should be what
      Dec 08, 2000 @ 22:30 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
1032. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Center of Europe
      Mike s method only works for rectangles. If we want the centroid of the land area of Europe, we need to divide the continent into small, regularly-shaped
      Dec 08, 2000 @ 23:36 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
1033. Re: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] continental extremities we have seen
      ... never been to Asia at all ... road, no hike to the tip.) ... tip of the point because it is a military fort; Peter, did you get to the south side of the
      Dec 09, 2000 @ 00:23 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
1034. RE: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] continental extremities we have seen
      I ve just realized that I need to get out more! ... From: David Mark [mailto:dmark@geog.buffalo.edu] Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 7:24 PM To:
      Dec 09, 2000 @ 00:53 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
1035. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Center of Europe
      That s fine for small areas, or near the equator, but positively biased for continental masses, especially those near the poles, as latitude diminishes as you
      Dec 09, 2000 @ 01:25 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1036. Re: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] continental extremities we have seen
      ok david i withdraw my nomination of you from cape dezhnev & cape prince of wales as it was only my wishful thinking that you might have glimpsed them from
      Dec 09, 2000 @ 05:19 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1037. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Center of Europe
      right this must be how to do it so do you know what the correct answer would be by this method or rather can you at least venture a wild guess at it as i
      Dec 09, 2000 @ 05:21 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1038. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Center of Europe
      right of course but i still intuit or imagine minsk is about right or maybe it is pinsk i was figuring the eurasian divide runs thru the dardanelles etc to
      Dec 09, 2000 @ 06:05 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1039. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Center of Europe
      The www.auslig.gov.au site has a page of facts on Austrlaia s geography (which i posted last week with regards to state borders), including 5 different methods
      Dec 09, 2000 @ 01:18 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1040. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Center of Europe
      Rolf Palmberg has a very good article (among others) on the Center of Europe , which I want to translate for you. Unfortunately the copy I took at work I
      Dec 09, 2000 @ 08:42 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1041. Israel maps
      Israel maps can be seen at http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/search.asp?results-1 Jesper
      Dec 09, 2000 @ 10:07 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1042. Sv: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] continental extremities we have seen
      No, frankly, David I didn t - or couldn t (?) Anyway, I enjoyed the view over to Africa!! Shall scan a picture soon !! Btw: I was wrong about the southernmost
      Dec 09, 2000 @ 10:27 - Peter & Marianne Hering ("Peter & Marianne Hering" <hering@...>)
1043. Re: Sv: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] continental extremities we have seen
      amigo i am so glad you said this & we do get credit for everything heaven is just like that m bridges & tunnels must have equal rights too
      Dec 09, 2000 @ 16:49 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1044. intl tripts etc
      david was saying recently about binational tripoints ... true which is why i would reserve international to mean only binational tho i realize international
      Dec 09, 2000 @ 16:51 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1045. RE: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] continental extremities we have seen
      ... good one bill we will be down to get you in a taxi baby m
      Dec 09, 2000 @ 19:03 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1046. RE: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] continental extremities we have seen
      That ll be good Mike...I ve got cabin fever...and I can t count anymore! ... From: michael donner [mailto:m@discovernet.net] Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2000
      Dec 09, 2000 @ 21:40 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
1047. Geographic centers
      The discussion re how to find the center of an area reminded me of the attached article from the Lyons, KS paper which somebody sent to me a long time ago.
      Dec 10, 2000 @ 04:46 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@gisco.net>)
1048. Attachment to message 1047
      Sorry, I got it upside down! Jack
      Dec 10, 2000 @ 04:54 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
1049. extreme points - pix - have a nice Sunday!!!
      Holà amigos de las fronteras - listening to Christmal carols and thinking of my boundary mates I decided to scan a few pix - 2 from Europe s westernmost point
      Dec 10, 2000 @ 13:20 - Peter & Marianne Hering ("Peter & Marianne Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
1050. Africa - here we come...
      Here s the promised pic from Tarifa - enjoy Pete
      Dec 10, 2000 @ 13:21 - Peter & Marianne Hering ("Peter & Marianne Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
1051. Sv: Sv: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] continental extremities we have seen
      Thankx Mike, you ve just turned an ordinary Sunday into a day of joy and glory!!! Enjoy the pix from Europe s ex-points.. Pete ... From: michael donner
      Dec 10, 2000 @ 14:00 - Peter & Marianne Hering ("Peter & Marianne Hering" <hering@...>)
1052. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Attachment to message 1047
      are you kiddin jack the day eureka lost it the world was upside down we must be at cause here m
      Dec 10, 2000 @ 16:12 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1053. but couldnt the world already be upside down
      seriously does anyone know if western civ had arisen in the south rather than the north wouldnt our maps now be upside down & wouldnt all compasses point south
      Dec 10, 2000 @ 18:15 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1054. Re: [BoundaryPoint] but couldnt the world already be upside down
      I would like to make a point on maps, too. As we know a flat map gives problems (like finding a center). But most maps are are also centered on Europe, meaning
      Dec 10, 2000 @ 18:32 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1055. sovereign news cycle tour
      just heard the latest analysis on cnn a bush lieberman by default administration is now a growing probability of course i predicted this months ago but then
      Dec 10, 2000 @ 21:02 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1056. Re: [BoundaryPoint] but couldnt the world already be upside down
      The basic deep cultural tradition of western civilization placed east at the top of the map, which is the natural *ORIENTATION* when one faces the rising
      Dec 10, 2000 @ 22:22 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
1057. would you believe geographical center of the world
      http://www.mars-news.de/pyramiden sheds light beauty & links on geographical centers including yesss a new candidate for global maxipoint iskenderun turkey n
      Dec 11, 2000 @ 15:49 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1058. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Geographic centers
      dear jack this one really is from oz & i dont mean down under i have been trying to read & think about it for days how could the geographic center keep
      Dec 12, 2000 @ 15:31 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1059. Border pictues
      A travellers border pictures found at http://www.geocities.com/deancassady_2000/bordershtmlv2.html Whether it interest you or not is up to you. Jesper
      Dec 12, 2000 @ 19:46 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1060. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border pictues
      thanx jesper tho i had no choice about being interested since this was the same route i thumbed & same taste i had on my own all american mystical majesty
      Dec 13, 2000 @ 18:13 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1061. brownlie on african tripoints grand finale
      to complete the set of 59 african tripoints the 36 additions to the 23 individually posted between messages 970 & 1023 & assembled thanx again to jesper at
      Dec 13, 2000 @ 18:36 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1062. Re: [BoundaryPoint] brownlie on african tripoints grand finale
      All African tripoints have now been added to http://www.image.dk/~jesniel/border/african_tripoints.htm If you have comments or additions, they are offcourse
      Dec 13, 2000 @ 21:05 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1063. Re: [BoundaryPoint] brownlie on african tripoints grand finale
      ... yes wonderful these 59 africans alone make up 37 percent of the world total of 160 continental tricountry points so we are already well on our way to
      Dec 14, 2000 @ 07:21 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1064. aussie maritime interstate boundary
      hey arif congrats on getting your man in the white house & it sure was a great election night while it lasted i confess i was still hoping for a bush
      Dec 14, 2000 @ 17:48 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1065. exclavic tripoints & bicontinental countries etc
      our recent imaginary visit to the cabinda tricountry point has pointed up the existence of a whole distinguished fraternity of these angola congo congo
      Dec 14, 2000 @ 18:53 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1066. Peter Hering's Border Pictures
      Dear Fellow members On behalf of Peter Hering I am very proud to announce that his Border Pictures site is now completed (well hopefully it will never be) and
      Dec 14, 2000 @ 21:41 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1067. Re: Peter Hering's Border Pictures
      A superb site..congratulations to both of you! I really enjoy this site. Bill
      Dec 15, 2000 @ 05:43 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
1068. As nutty as you guys...
      Here is another group of geographically inspired people who do things as nutty as the people on this group. http://www.confluence.org/ lurker, surveyor jerry
      Dec 15, 2000 @ 16:04 - jwahl@qubicle.com (jwahl@...)
1069. Re: [BoundaryPoint] As nutty as you guys...
      This is actual interesting, but I my opinion not so fantastic as tripoints. At tripoints things really happen: change of language, time, car registration
      Dec 15, 2000 @ 16:21 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1070. My border pictures
      Being jalous at Peter posting his great photos I decided that I wanted one of my own. Thanks to Peter for scanning my poor collection of border and extreme
      Dec 15, 2000 @ 19:54 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1071. Ghana-Burkina Faso
      Here is a mention of a Ghana-Burkina Faso boundary marker - I have no clue why he took no photos!! http://www.confluence.org/gh/all/n11w001/index.html Jesper
      Dec 15, 2000 @ 20:35 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1072. Re: [BoundaryPoint] As nutty as you guys...
      hey jerry good to hear from you & i agree these guys are inspired & inspiring but not nearly so nutty as us wish they would reserve the term confluence for
      Dec 15, 2000 @ 21:29 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1073. Re: [BoundaryPoint] aussie maritime interstate boundary
      Just because I supported Bush did not mean I did not actually hoped for a Bush-Lieberman presidency. That would have rocked. Still, I am happy that the
      Dec 15, 2000 @ 22:17 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
1074. Re: [BoundaryPoint] aussie maritime interstate boundary etc
      well look at the bright side at least nothing is going to happen for 4 more years we have far too many laws already anyway & maybe when they find they cant add
      Dec 16, 2000 @ 04:31 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1075. last update of the century
      Hello, getting tired of me advertising for my border site? Well, there has just been the last update for the old millenium and you can t afford to miss this:
      Dec 16, 2000 @ 07:56 - kahbeh@hotmail.com (kahbeh@...)
1076. Fwd: last update of the century
      oh ja, I forgot the URL: For those who didn t save it: http://members.tripodnet.nl/grenze regards BK ... Hello, getting tired of me advertising for my border
      Dec 16, 2000 @ 08:01 - kahbeh@hotmail.com (kahbeh@...)
1077. multithanxxx
      much enjoyed the several recent eye feasts by bernd & jesper & peter & thank you all again for the thoughts & the ease of visiting too m was particularly
      Dec 16, 2000 @ 19:23 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1078. Sudan border
      Arif is mentioning the odd facts about Sudan s borders with Egypt and Kenya on http://members.aol.com/marismits/WeirdGeo.htm, that there is an administrative
      Dec 17, 2000 @ 09:18 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1079. ozzy tripoints
      the australian border & zoomable site mentioned by arif http://www.auslig.gov.au/facts/borders.htm# is multi rewarding & makes it clear there are no official
      Dec 17, 2000 @ 18:21 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1080. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Sudan border
      ... brownlie 1979 agrees with arif & gives particulars about tribal raids & customary grazing lands etc & actually indicates more than just 2 certain versions
      Dec 17, 2000 @ 20:29 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1081. geographic centers & ozzy tripoints cont
      an interesting jump page http://www.auslig.gov.au/facts/centre.htm at the site mentioned by brendan & arif gives 5 different methods for determining geographic
      Dec 18, 2000 @ 21:56 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1082. Re: [BoundaryPoint] geographic centers & ozzy tripoints cont
      ... This was my understanding, that it says :this is the harbour for ACT and is outside NSW control. Note that the land boundary is defined as the
      Dec 18, 2000 @ 22:36 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1083. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ozzy tripoints cont
      beautifully done mate this is looking like breakthrough country now more comments & questions mixed in below m ... understood that the harbor & indeed
      Dec 19, 2000 @ 06:18 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1084. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ozzy tripoints cont
      There are a couple of books to check: Prescotts Maritmie boundaries of Australia and an earlier title (late 60s) on Queensland and NSW maritime boundaries.
      Dec 19, 2000 @ 07:32 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1085. Re: tripoints
      dear rolf major congrats & thanx both for trying & indeed for finding this the lost tripoint of central asia aka chkzrs cnkzru your discovery raises the asian
      Dec 19, 2000 @ 18:05 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1086. worldwide inventory of tri country points in progress
      gratefully dedicated to rolf here is a second careful try at rounding up all the continental tri country points in the world succeeding message 597 the main
      Dec 19, 2000 @ 18:10 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1087. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ozzy tripoints cont
      ... thanx ordered & awaiting delivery btw can you suggest any other regional land boundary bibles that might compare with brownlie and an earlier title (late
      Dec 19, 2000 @ 19:26 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1088. Point Roberts
      Here is a real delicious one http://www.pointrobertsusa.com/ Jesper
      Dec 19, 2000 @ 21:17 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1089. Border post
      Dear fellow border friends I have posted something about borders on about.com and got some responses. Some nices ones too.
      Dec 19, 2000 @ 21:19 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1090. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ozzy tripoints
      I want to mention quite a few mostly separate things. First of all, quite a few countries in the world probably have all territorial waters belonging to a
      Dec 19, 2000 @ 23:25 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
1091. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ozzy tripoints cont
      ... Prescotts Map of mianland Asia by Treaty and his Frontiers of Asia and Southeast Asia , both Melbourne University Press, mid 1970s. The former has the
      Dec 19, 2000 @ 23:31 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1092. cool runnings was Re: [BoundaryPoint] ozzy tripoints
      arif observed ... nice shootin podnuh & quite a treat after that llivia fiasco looks just like some local indian art too ... at first i didnt see what you
      Dec 20, 2000 @ 05:32 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1093. national maritime territory was Re: [BoundaryPoint] ozzy tripoints
      arif mentioned ... right most all i would guess & have found 4 different standards so far united states individual states extend outward from coast 3 nautical
      Dec 20, 2000 @ 05:33 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1094. regional bibles was Re: [BoundaryPoint] ozzy tripoints cont
      much obliged again brendan these will power us a long way toward our goal of worldwide coverage m ... hahaha i appreciate this ... hahaha i trust you are
      Dec 20, 2000 @ 05:34 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1095. worldwide census of secondary multipoints
      add a country or a category if you like &or improve however possible m types of point composition megapoints homogeneous inclusive amphibious
      Dec 20, 2000 @ 05:34 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1096. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Point Roberts
      Did you notice the gas prices are in both currencies, but the unit of measure is the Litre. I dare say that Point Roberts, WA is the only location in all of
      Dec 21, 2000 @ 03:09 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug_murray@...>)
1097. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Point Roberts
      hey doug cool while right across the line from st regis quebec which is the exact opposite of the pt roberts situation you may not get a liter in hogansburg
      Dec 21, 2000 @ 04:56 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1098. is the magnetic north pole painting itself into a corner
      when the magnetic north pole was reached for the first time in 1831 its geoposition was found to be about n lat 70 & w long 97 during the balance of the 19th
      Dec 21, 2000 @ 04:58 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1099. yikes true north pole shifts position too
      no one is surprised any more when the magnetic north pole jumps around the canadian arctic but i just saw some new data on tv which seem to indicate that the
      Dec 21, 2000 @ 05:00 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1100. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Point Roberts
      We still get good old fashioned mileage. Canada is a mix of the best of both systems. Human height in feet. Human weight in pounds. Distance in km. Weather
      Dec 21, 2000 @ 05:00 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug_murray@...>)
1101. Cross border golf
      http://www.helsinki-hs.net/thisweek/44111999.html Jesper
      Dec 21, 2000 @ 07:28 - Jesper & NIcolette Nielsen ("Jesper & NIcolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1102. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cross border golf
      The border there is also a time zone boundary, so the Lonely Planet guide pointed out a whole where, just before midnight in mid summer you can tee off and hit
      Dec 21, 2000 @ 14:59 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
1103. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cross border golf
      well these are diffrent strokes you can even hit a single straight shot from today thru tomorrow & back into today if the stroke of midnight falls between the
      Dec 21, 2000 @ 18:58 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1104. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Cross border golf
      there are two other such golf courses one borders maine and new brunswick http://www.intellis.net/avcc/ the other borders north dakota and manitoba. i believe
      Dec 21, 2000 @ 19:17 - Beckett, Bob ("Beckett, Bob" <Bob.Beckett@...>)
1105. Peter Hering sent you a Yahoo! Greeting
      Surprise! You ve just received a Yahoo! Greeting from Peter Hering (hering@mail.tele.dk)! To view this greeting card, click on the following Web address at
      Dec 21, 2000 @ 17:40 - hering@mail.tele.dk (hering@...)
1106. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cross border golf
      Here is a map of the bordertowns Haparanda, SE and Tornio, FI where the golf course is. http://www.haparanda.se/maps/charts/Haparanda_Torne%E5_B.jpg
      Dec 21, 2000 @ 19:50 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1107. Cross border golf
      Here is a map of the bordertowns Haparanda, SE and Tornio, FI where the golf course is. http://www.haparanda.se/maps/charts/Haparanda_Torne%E5_B.jpg Notice how
      Dec 21, 2000 @ 19:51 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1108. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cross border golf
      Admid it was dissapointed - there is no peninsula, but an island. Close up map: http://www.haparanda.se/maps/charts/Green_Zoone_B.jpg Jesper
      Dec 21, 2000 @ 19:55 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1109. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Cross border golf
      nice wedge bob & glad you dropped in with it so including jespers latest 3 holes in 1 & i know peter has carded a beauty now too our party must already be
      Dec 21, 2000 @ 21:21 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1110. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Cross border golf
      well maybe i just got carried away again & 9 holes of international solstitial time traveling polystate boomerang golf may actually have been plenty for one
      Dec 22, 2000 @ 03:30 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1111. florida star breaking news again
      our imminent inaugural visit & commemorative buoy drop at the 5 point star junction of okeechobee with palm beach & martin counties etc of recent electoral
      Dec 23, 2000 @ 03:25 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1112. RE: [BoundaryPoint] florida star breaking news again
      Mike, this is indeed good news...and impressive! Certainly, it will be a good old buoy for Lake Okeechobee! (Thanks again, Kate!) Bill
      Dec 23, 2000 @ 06:49 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
1113. Festivus Greetings
      My apologies if this is the second time you ve received this... it just means 2 Christmas wishes instead of one! Have a great Christmas (or whatever you
      Dec 23, 2000 @ 18:14 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug_murray@...>)
1114. Re: [BoundaryPoint] florida star breaking news again
      Ok, since when is Great Salt Lake and Lake Iliamna not greater than lake Okeechobee? And if you are counting interesting boundarywise, then lake Okeechobee
      Dec 24, 2000 @ 04:14 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
1115. Re: [BoundaryPoint] florida star breaking news again
      hahaha & thanx we can use all the luck we can get great salt has always been great & is actually more than twice as great as okeechobee so perhaps i can squirm
      Dec 24, 2000 @ 07:47 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1116. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Festivus Greetings
      thanx man glad for the extra company too i think everyone else must be out of town actually i was going to try to wake you up at 7 tomorrow just to find out
      Dec 25, 2000 @ 06:06 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1117. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Festivus Greetings
      8:33am, Christmas morning. I am gazing out the kitchen window in a southerly direction. A BC Ferry cuts across Howe Sound. Rain is falling, heavily. It is
      Dec 25, 2000 @ 16:39 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug_murray@...>)
1118. partial eclipse diary cont
      good one doug will try to keep it up 1100am have been trying to watch the show supposedly start in montreal on cnn thru a hole in my paper plate but without
      Dec 25, 2000 @ 17:22 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1119. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Festivus Greetings
      Oh yeah, I m on Gambier Island... off the British Columbia coast... just north of Bowen Island, NW of Vancouver. Not a tri-point in sight! ... From: Doug
      Dec 25, 2000 @ 17:39 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug_murray@...>)
1120. Re: [BoundaryPoint] partial eclipse diary cont
      And here is a video capture from Vancouver -- looking west. At eclipse time. ... From: michael donner To: boundarypoint@egroups.com Sent: Monday, December 25,
      Dec 25, 2000 @ 17:42 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug_murray@...>)
1121. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Festivus Greetings
      excellent absence makes the mental pointing fonder & stronger can see you on my map now so how does the howe sound bc ferry sound in the rain it is bright
      Dec 25, 2000 @ 19:10 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1122. Tripoints - personal account Peter Hering
      Hello everybody, in order to reach a conclusion on the group s conquest of int l tripoints - requested by Mike - here s my personal record: Tp s visited in
      Dec 26, 2000 @ 18:35 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
1123. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoints - personal account Peter Hering
      pedro mi piedra i wash your feet again for these baby & sometimes the minds eye is better than the camera anyway with no personal holdings of any kind in asia
      Dec 27, 2000 @ 02:45 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1124. tri country points actually or virtually visited by us
      this update of the list is to honor & include the 3 most recent reports by peter & also incorporates a few other improvements since the previous update in
      Dec 28, 2000 @ 05:30 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1125. RE: [BoundaryPoint] florida star breaking news again
      ... hey bill & arif too it keeps getting better first of all i just learned iliamna actually means great lake or great ice oops so maybe i can slide out of
      Dec 29, 2000 @ 04:10 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1126. Geographic anomalies
      Colleagues, Please be advised that this message is fairly long. If I voilate some list-etiquette because of this, please let me know and it won t be repeated.
      Dec 29, 2000 @ 18:53 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
1127. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Geographic anomalies
      welcome mats we are the geographic anomalies & glad you are enjoying & could join us i think our resident enclavologist brendan may be out of town because he
      Dec 29, 2000 @ 21:59 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1128. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Geographic anomalies
      No, I am not away, but because of Ramadan, when prayer time just increases a little, I had less time to research and provide input. Also, visitation of
      Dec 30, 2000 @ 00:57 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
1129. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Geographic anomalies
      excellent arif grateful for any time with you & thanx for promoting onlist responses too as i believe we are all interested in these also glad to see you are
      Dec 30, 2000 @ 04:04 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1130. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Geographic anomalies
      Very good answers Arif. Glad to listen to an expert, and not just the crackers like the rest of us. ... I am currenly working on a Boundary Club site in
      Dec 30, 2000 @ 09:41 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1131. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Geographic anomalies
      Here is a map of Gibraltar with the Neutral Zone http://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/vandiest/images/Gibraltar.jpg Jesper
      Dec 30, 2000 @ 09:43 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1132. Indian enclaves
      Arif, Please tell on where to look for the enclaves in India. I found a topomap-site for the country. http://www.mapsofindia.com Jesper
      Dec 30, 2000 @ 13:43 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1133. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Geographic anomalies
      Colleagues, Thank you for the warm welcome to your community. What oceans of exptertise y all expose! Arif, I have some questions for you. If you can find any
      Dec 30, 2000 @ 16:07 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
1134. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Geographic anomalies
      arif & mats earlier ... yes this is a little strange perhaps a new wrinkle since my 1997 info which left me pretty sure it was a full department as it was also
      Dec 30, 2000 @ 18:03 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1135. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Indian enclaves
      Jesper - The maps of India site does not show the enclaves, but as an approximate area, go to the district map of West Bengal, find Cooch Behar. It is near
      Dec 30, 2000 @ 18:34 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
1136. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Indian enclaves
      thanx yes i agree about france in the second case & in the first what are those little enclaves they do show just there at koch bihar of both types i think i
      Dec 30, 2000 @ 19:37 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1137. st pierre fully pedigreed as ghost wannabee enclave
      columbia encyclopedia indicates st pierre & miq was a full overseas department of the french republic til eec required its reclassification to territorial
      Dec 30, 2000 @ 20:34 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1138. Re: Baarle, was: Geographic anomalies
      ... My Dutch, Flemisch or whatever it is, is not so good, but this is what the Baarle tourist brochure says. Maybe Bernd can help us out. Midden in
      Dec 30, 2000 @ 21:15 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1139. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Baarle, was: Geographic anomalies
      ... This is all correct, as far as I know. But the Dutch exclave I was referring to earlier is situated within *mainland* Belgium. Please give me some time to
      Dec 30, 2000 @ 21:30 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
1140. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Baarle, was: Geographic anomalies
      Hello Mats There is a small Dutch enclave (a field) just S of the border, just a little NW of Ginhoven. Well Mats - I would be pleased to tell you that you are
      Dec 30, 2000 @ 21:39 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1141. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Geographic anomalies
      Maybe I have a radical position here, but I have never understood at all why this group seems to have such a fetish about land. To be, and exclave or enclave
      Dec 30, 2000 @ 21:52 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
1142. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Baarle, was: Geographic anomalies
      ... i am living in the only state of the usa with real ghost exclaves & both were bigger than what remains of it today m
      Dec 30, 2000 @ 22:40 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1143. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Geographic anomalies
      i like your position david it is actually most inclusive & reasonable as well as elegantly simple but maybe i am prejudiced in your favor since my fetish has
      Dec 30, 2000 @ 22:40 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1144. Historic geographic anomalies
      Colleagues, There are some scanned maps at http://www.geocities.com/exclaves (But there is nothing else there, I m afraid. No time to create a site...) Please
      Dec 30, 2000 @ 22:42 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
1145. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Historic geographic anomalies
      raves & thanx mats for this phantasmagorical tour de force m
      Dec 31, 2000 @ 01:07 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1146. Ghost exclave?
      ... What is a ghost exclave, and which state would that be, please? Mats
      Dec 31, 2000 @ 02:39 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
1147. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Ghost exclave?
      oops glad you asked ghost is basically just a short way of saying historic or no longer extant but i like to say it also because it brings things back to life
      Dec 31, 2000 @ 05:43 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1148. Swe-Den marker on bridge
      ... No, unfortunately I have not seen it. The picture on the above mentioned site is very good. It makes you want to touch it, to stroke it, doesn t it? :) But
      Dec 31, 2000 @ 09:22 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
1149. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Swe-Den marker on bridge
      Hej Mats The photo was taken by one of Peter s friends as he walked on the Øresundsbro on these days before the offical opening. As it is now I guess your
      Dec 31, 2000 @ 12:29 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1150. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Historic geographic anomalies
      I would like to ad a few comments. They may not get you further to the truth. ... I have just translated and posted an article on the NI border at
      Dec 31, 2000 @ 16:29 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1151. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Historic geographic anomalies
      ... How do you define this category? ... Was Porkkala formerly part of some nation-state other than Finland? (I was just there, birdwatching, in June 2000, and
      Dec 31, 2000 @ 21:13 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
1152. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Historic geographic anomalies
      david cool all our available vikings may already be out celebrating porkkala was leased by the finns to the russkies as a naval base in 1944 for 50 years but
      Dec 31, 2000 @ 23:59 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1153. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Swe-Den marker on bridge
      hej maybe they made it so small because they dont want anyone to even slow down for it or to notice it at all in the present but only in the past & on special
      Jan 01, 2001 @ 00:11 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1154. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Historic geographic anomalies
      ... thats nuthin man look what they did to western sahara completely lost it in a sandstorm & heres more truth & power to your ad maybe we could even repay
      Jan 01, 2001 @ 00:14 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1155. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Historic geographic anomalies
      Guys, I am sorry I haven t been able to put the Berlin exclaves online. We are having the New Year s party, and I am afraid I will end up losing or some kids
      Jan 01, 2001 @ 01:28 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
1156. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Historic geographic anomalies
      Thanks. But leasing land does not (in my opinion) transfer sovereignty, so I do not think a leased patch of land would be an enclave or exclave. It is still an
      Jan 01, 2001 @ 02:54 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
1157. ghost busters was Re: [BoundaryPoint] Historic geographic anomalies
      arif ... it is true that 6 maybe 7 of the original colonies legally reached the pacific at some time albeit with several in mutual as well as international
      Jan 01, 2001 @ 03:29 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1158. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Historic geographic anomalies
      right this must be another distinct kind of pseudo or quasi ghost btw i dont think any of these are really anomalies either there are 2 possibilities
      Jan 01, 2001 @ 03:34 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1159. the future is here
      ok anyone west of here wanting to hear from the future this is it & it is us welcome & good night m
      Jan 01, 2001 @ 05:23 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1160. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Historic geographic anomalies
      Well Mike I wrote to the webmaster of newafrica.com (the only address I could find on the site, the e-mail bounced back saying the guy s inbox was to full.
      Jan 01, 2001 @ 20:27 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1161. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Historic geographic anomalies
      ... I haven t really thought of how to define historic geographic anomalies, but let me try right away: Because they are historic they should be gone, in one
      Jan 01, 2001 @ 20:49 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
1162. Dutch exclave
      Where is that Dutch exclave? Are we talking about the piece of land attached to Belgium where the town of Terneuzen is? Jesper ... From: Mats Hessman
      Jan 01, 2001 @ 20:58 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1163. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Dutch exclave
      ... It s a tiny spot of Dutch soil, less than 500x300 meters. The nearest Belgian village is Vossenberg Ginhoven just west of Zondereigen. The exclave itself
      Jan 01, 2001 @ 21:15 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
1164. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Dutch exclave
      That is the small field we are all talking about. Unfortunately there are no demarcation for the field. Peter lend me a map of that region 1:25000 and it s
      Jan 01, 2001 @ 22:11 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1165. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Historic geographic anomalies
      Mike - I thought Georgia interrupted South Carolina s march to Pacific, so thought it was an exclave. But, as I have mentioned, I did not get to look at the
      Jan 01, 2001 @ 22:27 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
1166. an apparent apparition was RE: [BoundaryPoint] Historic geographic anomalies
      dear arif glad you pursed this as it is interesting ... the boundary between ma & ny was controversial from early times & was not agreed upon in any sense til
      Jan 02, 2001 @ 02:14 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1167. boundary crosses was RE: [BoundaryPoint] Historic geographic anomalies
      dear mats ... actually we have reason to hope it is not unique for it may prove to be 1 of perhaps 5 similar international boundary crosses aka binational
      Jan 02, 2001 @ 02:18 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1168. millennium pass was Re: [BoundaryPoint] Historic geographic anomalies
      thanx & good news jesper that was uncannily fine tuning by both of us to complete the millennium pass by snail mail on a sunday yes the yellow paper was
      Jan 02, 2001 @ 02:20 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1169. Quadripoints in Baarle
      Michael, ... This is intriguing! After reading your message I took out my touristic map of Baarle, which is unfortunately not very accurate (which is proven by
      Jan 02, 2001 @ 07:44 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
1170. boundary-tripoints in europe
      hallo, after reading more than 1000 interesting messages in your group I would like to send you a zipped file of my GEBC papers. Hope that
      Jan 02, 2001 @ 12:22 - Gartner Wolfgang (Gartner Wolfgang <WGartner@kliem.de>)
1171. Re: [BoundaryPoint] boundary-tripoints in europe
      Hello Wolfgang Thanks for joining our group and adding such great contributions. What is your relation to Peter the Great? Do you have any if these photos on a
      Jan 02, 2001 @ 16:29 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1172. Re: [BoundaryPoint] boundary-tripoints in europe
      gartner gartner we are silent only because we are speechless thank you for finally arriving we wash your feet & your entire village i just had to take a
      Jan 02, 2001 @ 16:41 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1173. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Quadripoints in Baarle
      I have a tourist Baarle Map 1:8300. It s named plattegrond from 1999. The Belgium part is hatched. I see the triangle and inverted U-shape. As I see the map
      Jan 02, 2001 @ 20:29 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1174. Re: [BoundaryPoint] boundary-tripoints in europe
      This is a great border site!!! I have a question for Wolfgang: I would like to follow the border on the pictures. How do I see where the border line goes? Do
      Jan 02, 2001 @ 20:32 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1175. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Quadripoints in Baarle
      ... Are you quite sure? I think I am looking at the same map. Mine is 1:8300 and the Belgian fragments are hatched in a red (hard-to-read) color. On my map the
      Jan 02, 2001 @ 21:04 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
1176. How many borders can you cross in 2½ km?
      I would like to add a comments to my 9 times in 2½ km crossing mail. I know of a place between Holland and Germany called Heringsbosch (Peter is of course the
      Jan 02, 2001 @ 21:09 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
1177. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Quadripoints in Baarle
      Mats according to my (Peters) 1:8300 Baarle map all of the pink main road is hatched. Donkerstraat looks also to be all Belgium apart from a tiny part of the
      Jan 02, 2001 @ 21:20 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1178. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Quadripoints in Baarle
      Jesper, The print date of my map is 1995. Since your map is newer, I suppose it should contain the best information. Too bad... Here is a (bad-quality
      Jan 02, 2001 @ 21:33 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
1179. Conn/Maine border.
      Go to Connecticut State Library faq page at: http://www.cslnet.ctstateu.edu/faq.htm and read about border jog. Also a discussion there about the panhandle
      Jan 02, 2001 @ 23:17 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1180. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Geographic anomalies
      I am doing a thesis on enclaves, so know all the cases fairly well. An enclave must be 100% surrounded by another country, so most of your examples are
      Jan 02, 2001 @ 23:29 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1181. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Indian enclaves
      This one gives you an idea:
      Jan 02, 2001 @ 23:42 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1182. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Quadripoints in Baarle
      ... The 1:25 000 of each country are the best. I have 1:10 000 from each, but these arel ittle more than enlargements, with thicker lines and no more detail
      Jan 03, 2001 @ 00:03 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1183. reeling
      fellow punctophiles a dizzying delight to see such varied & multi ringed circuses firing fat ladies from the cannons all at once i dont know where to run first
      Jan 03, 2001 @ 00:38 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1184. tripoints etc.
      hi everybody I can t believe your quick responses to my little summary of tripoints in Europe. At the moment I am really only interested in historical
      Jan 03, 2001 @ 12:45 - Gartner Wolfgang (Gartner Wolfgang <WGartner@kliem.de>)
1185. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Historic geographic anomalies
      ... No, the Cypriot bases are Brit sovereign terriroty. All cyprus was British until 1960. Some (ie 99%) was made independent as the Rep of Cyprus. The rest
      Jan 02, 2001 @ 23:57 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1186. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Geographic anomalies
      ... Where can I find Robinson s journal articles, please? What journal or journals would that be? Mats
      Jan 03, 2001 @ 16:05 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
1187. boundary crosses
      hi brendan congrats to you & our other members on the extreme bounding quiz i gather from the answers you are fairly convinced there is 1 & only 1 boundary
      Jan 03, 2001 @ 17:06 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1188. Re: [BoundaryPoint] tripoints etc.
      hi wolfgang what fun to fly directly from 214 to 369 & will just have to imagine the rest for now also i apologize for not mentioning it sooner but i for one
      Jan 03, 2001 @ 17:07 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1189. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Indian enclaves
      Thanks for info. Link do not work - here is a better one: http://www.mapsofindia.com/maps/westbengal/railways/kochbihar.htm Jesper ... From: Brendan Whyte
      Jan 03, 2001 @ 19:05 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1190. Baarle Bi-Quadropoint
      Brendan wrote in quiz answers:: The other case is in Baarle. Demarcation of the Baarle enclaves in 1995 finally created another 2-country quadripoint in the
      Jan 03, 2001 @ 21:32 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1191. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Quadripoints in Baarle
      Mats, I agree your map looks good, mine has the road belonging to BE. I don t if they are just unaccurate or things have changed. Jesper ... From: Mats
      Jan 03, 2001 @ 21:36 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1192. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Geographic anomalies
      Robinson, GWS, West Bertlin, the geography of an exclave Geographical Reveiw, v43 1953 pp540-57 Catudal, HM, Berlin s New Boundaries , Cahiers de Geographie
      Jan 03, 2001 @ 22:28 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1193. Re: [BoundaryPoint] boundary crosses
      I have the maps, I have done the site inspection and interviewed the guilty. There is only one quadpoint in Baarle, The others are VERY near to it, connections
      Jan 03, 2001 @ 22:35 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1194. Re: [BoundaryPoint] boundary crosses
      thanx brendan as always 2 or 3 of these in the world is plenty come to think of it is there a photo available of this one m
      Jan 04, 2001 @ 01:01 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1195. enclaves
      Here are scans of Swiss topo sheet 2511 scale 1:25 000 Schaffhausen und Umgebung , 1988 showing Buesingen Irish topo sheet 27, 1:50 000 Upper Lough Erne
      Jan 04, 2001 @ 06:47 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
1196. Baarle
      Here are scans of the relative positions and numbering of the various Baarle enclaves, in 3 parts. The grid crosses are the Dutch 1km grid line intersections.
      Jan 04, 2001 @ 06:49 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
1197. Baarle details
      Here are scans of the quadripoint and the various other near misses , with slight connections or slight missed connections, taken in general fomr Dutch
      Jan 04, 2001 @ 06:52 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
1198. message 1188
      From: michael donner Date: Wed Jan 3, 2001 5:07pm Subject: Re: tripoints etc. now the file produced als an
      Jan 04, 2001 @ 09:05 - Gartner Wolfgang (Gartner Wolfgang <WGartner@kliem.de>)
1199. Re: [BoundaryPoint] message 1188
      So it means there isn t really a France-Germany-Luxembourg tripoint as the river (plus the two river peninsulars) are joined Lux-Ger?! Can you access the river
      Jan 13, 2001 @ 09:36 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1200. Tripoints - account Peter H.
      Hello everybody - felice anno nuovo - happy New Year - ein glückliches Neues Jahr - bonne anné - godt nytaar !!! I d like to add another tp to my collection,
      Jan 04, 2001 @ 14:09 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
1201. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Baarle Bi-Quadropoint
      ... If the farmers let you! It is a single field all around, but owned (or cropped?) by different farmers (relatives of each other). When I was there in
      Jan 03, 2001 @ 22:46 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1202. major tri country eruption
      gartner wolfgang or wolfgang gartner thanx your excellency dont know how you get in without signing up or down but i do admire it & salute you in all
      Jan 04, 2001 @ 17:25 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1203. boundary crosses
      multi thanx & kudos brendan just to keep the boundary crosses hott while looking forward to a photo what about the cobblestone cross was i just imagining that
      Jan 04, 2001 @ 17:31 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1204. is it not true
      i may have missed something but i have the impression now all 4 of our non virgins began with lovely bedenl m
      Jan 04, 2001 @ 17:47 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1205. re ozzy tripoints cont
      australias maritime boundaries by jrv prescott has just arrived & has pretty well busted my recent surmise about there being as many as 20 ozzy tripoints the
      Jan 04, 2001 @ 17:51 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1206. hard tri country data playing hard to get
      jesper nice to see y&our pages turn up on the int boundaries list prospects of extracting additional tripoint data from regional bibles as was recently done
      Jan 04, 2001 @ 17:54 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1207. ok heres a taste
      afghanistan iran turkmenistan in zulfikar pass not a true pass but a cleft in the side of the canyon of the hari rud tripoint is on right or east bank of heri
      Jan 04, 2001 @ 18:05 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1208. Re: [BoundaryPoint] hard tri country data playing hard to get
      Today I located Brownlie in the Royal Danish Library. I was supprised to see how small and compact it was, but I liked it alot. I bought a 20-copy card and
      Jan 13, 2001 @ 19:44 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1209. Re: [BoundaryPoint] hard tri country data playing hard to get
      yes bernd & arif & rolf & everyone who showed up there recently good to remember everyone brownlie is pure honey too m well worth the hour also but nothing
      Jan 04, 2001 @ 20:26 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1210. Neutral Zones and joint land
      Are there only three neutral zones? Next to Gibraltar, Ceuta and Melilla! Who administers them? UN? Are you lawless there? The river Mosel have an island which
      Jan 13, 2001 @ 21:29 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1211. notes from maritime boundaries & ocean resources 1987
      coincidentally in a partial answer to jesper about neutral zones this book indicates 5 or 6 different types of what it calls joint zones misc other notes it
      Jan 04, 2001 @ 22:22 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1212. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Neutral Zones and joint land
      About the neutral zones:   I, too, seek information on the NZ:s close to Ceuta and Melilla. Incidentally, Rezette s book on the spanish enclaves is available
      Jan 04, 2001 @ 22:33 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
1213. chapter 5 limits of the area beyond national jurisdiction
      unclos 1982 provided first comprehensive demarcation & separation of the seabed into 2 major zones namely the areas within & beyond the limits of national
      Jan 04, 2001 @ 23:14 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1214. new world class tripoint total
      the significance of the previous message in terms of the global world class tripoint total is that it adds some 130 new members to the existing rosters
      Jan 04, 2001 @ 23:35 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1215. hot dog shit
      it even appears in chapter 6 by hance smith that a new category has been born into the sea use management organization classification system by which we can
      Jan 05, 2001 @ 00:16 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1216. ch 14 defining the indefinable
      subtitled antarctic maritime boundaries by gerard j mangone the land part of everyones land antarctica is greater in area than brazil canada or us & twice as
      Jan 05, 2001 @ 02:48 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1217. ch 15 beyond the bounds
      last chapter subtitled a consideration of local govt limits in the coastal zone of england & wales by joyce e halliday the jurisdiction of local govt tends to
      Jan 05, 2001 @ 03:36 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1218. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Neutral Zones and joint land
      Alexander MElamid wrote an article in a geography journal in the 1950s about neutral zones: Geographical Reveiw, v45, 1955, p359-74. The economic geography of
      Jan 04, 2001 @ 23:35 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1219. Exclave in Chile?
      Colleages, Is there (or was there) a Peruvian exclave in Chile? Excerpt from http://www.boundaries.com/ibm_idx.htm : CHILE-PERU 96-01, Tensions Crest along the
      Jan 05, 2001 @ 18:09 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
1220. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Exclave in Chile?
      dont know but doubt it is sovereign territory never encountered it locally anyway they could mean an exclave in some other sense tho you may still be able ride
      Jan 05, 2001 @ 21:42 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1221. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Exclave in Chile?
      I haven t seen the aerticle in question, but i suspect it is a bonded warehouse or something at Arica, or some other customs or govt-owned land, and not
      Jan 06, 2001 @ 01:38 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1222. iii kings day
      today 6 jan 3 kings day aka the epiphany or 13th day or eastern xmas stands to be a royally big point in time for multipointers of all stripes so god save
      Jan 06, 2001 @ 15:46 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1223. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Neutral Zones and joint land
      Brendan - Yes, I kind of messed up when I mentioned the Cypriot bases with Guantanamo, Porkkala and the Chinese territories. What I meant was that like
      Jan 06, 2001 @ 21:40 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
1224. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Neutral Zones and joint land
      At the end of the quiz answers I gave the address. I have 3 copies spare. Or Just write to the author, and request a copy of Rule of Jungle , his booklet on
      Jan 07, 2001 @ 05:57 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1225. Re: boundary-tripoints in europe
      hello, I m back from my holidays (X-mas and New Year, too. Still wishing you all ALL THE BEST for the new year 2001!! I have been to the suggested site at
      Jan 07, 2001 @ 07:55 - kahbeh@hotmail.com (kahbeh@...)
1226. Re: boundary-tripoints in europe
      hello, I m back from my holidays (X-mas and New Year, too. Still wishing you all ALL THE BEST for the new year 2001!! I have been to the suggested site at
      Jan 07, 2001 @ 07:56 - kahbeh@hotmail.com (kahbeh@...)
1227. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: boundary-tripoints in europe
      Hello Bernd There is an e-mail link on the front page of the site Jesper ... From: To: Sent: Sunday, January
      Jan 07, 2001 @ 14:28 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1228. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: boundary-tripoints in europe
      About http://home.wanadoo.nl/~eefberns/index.html There are more to the site than the marker pictures. Hopefully we can have it in English shortly. I like
      Jan 07, 2001 @ 14:39 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1229. Territories and tripoints
      ... The war memorial, would that be the Neue Wache , where East-German soldiers stood guard on West- Berlin territory? Does anybody have more information on
      Jan 07, 2001 @ 15:35 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
1230. Fragments
      Will anybody please define fragtments again vs. enclaves and exclaves! Jesper
      Jan 07, 2001 @ 15:41 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1231. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Territories and tripoints
      Dear Mats, The memorial in Berlin was the Soviet War Memorial in the Bezirk (District) Tiergarten. There were Soviet soldiers on guard, and frequently Soviet
      Jan 07, 2001 @ 16:23 - tardis (tardis <tardis@...-net.de>)
1232. Border Brazil-Uruguay divides town into two...
      Hello everybody - by surfing around I found a site I d like to recommend to all borderfreaks...: it s about the Brazilian borders - these borders are -
      Jan 07, 2001 @ 16:54 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
1233. Sv: [BoundaryPoint] message 1188
      Dear Jesper, as a matter of fact I am in possession of a German topo map from this area: 6504 Perl. 1:25.000 According to the map (I ll scan it one of these
      Jan 07, 2001 @ 17:15 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
1234. Berlin was memorial, was: [BoundaryPoint] Territories and tripoi nts
      ... Bernhard, Thanks for the information! I have a weak memory of a war memorial on the northern side of Str des 17 Junis, not far from Brandenburger Tor, but
      Jan 07, 2001 @ 17:35 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
1235. Re: [BoundaryPoint] message 1188
      Hello Peter Thanks for your reply. I asked the question for the attached document from Wolfgang. In the document is an attached photo and map 1:10000of the
      Jan 07, 2001 @ 17:51 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
1236. Re: [BoundaryPoint] message 1188
      wow jesper thanx this is actually the first i have seen of gartners zipped tricountry photos what a beauty & with a joint zone too if you can & would relay
      Jan 07, 2001 @ 19:11 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1237. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Territories and tripoints
      mats asked ... right wet & dry continentals & maritimes too but these are all wet ... yes there are such but not this one according to gideon ... right these &
      Jan 07, 2001 @ 19:11 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1238. neutral zones & joint zones or condos
      just winging it here but at least from a multisovereign & multipointing perspective it is good to make a distinction between neutral zones & joint zones this
      Jan 07, 2001 @ 19:12 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1239. Re: [BoundaryPoint] message 1188
      Hello mike How come you did not see the tripoint when you saw the stamps? Jesper ... From: michael donner To:
      Jan 07, 2001 @ 19:21 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1240. Re: [BoundaryPoint] message 1188
      Anyway, stamps, tripoints or not Here is the post converted to a Web File: http://home.worldonline.dk/~jesniel/border/BorderPointemail.htm Jesper ... From:
      Jan 07, 2001 @ 19:39 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1241. Re: [BoundaryPoint] neutral zones & joint zones or condos
      Mike - I didn t actually try to intimitate that neutral zones and joint zones or condominiums are the same. Neutral zones are much rarer if any truly exists.
      Jan 07, 2001 @ 20:59 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
1242. Re: [BoundaryPoint] message 1188
      saw only the text about the stamps but hadnt seen the stamps themselves nor any of these pix til you showed them so thank you again jesper this is wonderful
      Jan 07, 2001 @ 22:30 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1243. Re: [BoundaryPoint] neutral zones & joint zones or condos
      hi arif ... no i understand & didnt mean to pin that on you i do think joint & condo zones are essentially identical for tri pointing purposes tho ... right
      Jan 07, 2001 @ 22:30 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1244. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Territories and tripoints
      See Catudal s various works on Berlin in the 1970s: Exclave Problem of Western Europe Steinstucken, a study in cold war politics and several booklets and
      Jan 07, 2001 @ 23:33 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1245. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fragments
      This is the subject of an unpublished paper of mine: A fragment is any discontinuous/discontiguous part of a territorial unit (county/ state/ country/
      Jan 07, 2001 @ 23:40 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1246. Sv: [BoundaryPoint] Fragments
      Hello Brendan, your comments on the terms enclave and exclave are interesting and I do agree with you that most people do not know the linguistic
      Jan 08, 2001 @ 09:41 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
1247. Tp map FraGerLux
      Hello everybody, attached pls find the promised scan of topo map from the tp-area FraGerLux. According to this map (published 1971) there s only one tripoint
      Jan 08, 2001 @ 10:34 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
1248. various responses
      hello all & thanxx for all the great new topics & angles of which i can only hope to touch on a few peter major congrats on conceiving the south american gcebe
      Jan 08, 2001 @ 17:37 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1249. Re: Berlin was memorial, was: [BoundaryPoint] Territories and tripoi nts
      Dear Mats, ... It surely is. I enclose a small scan of the central Berlin city map, showing Strasse des 17. Juni west of Brandenburg Gate. The Ehrenmal is,
      Jan 08, 2001 @ 17:46 - tardis (tardis <tardis@hannover.sgh-net.de>)
1250. hey
      how about a page or site devoted to tri country points & enclaves etc depicted on postage stamps m & then we could remind & persuade the national govts of the
      Jan 08, 2001 @ 19:09 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1251. Re: Berlin was memorial, was: [BoundaryPoint] Territories and tripoi nts
      ... excuse me but isnt a weak memory of a war memorial the best kind a few well meaning but futile individuals only made the memorial in the first place
      Jan 08, 2001 @ 19:31 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1252. Re: Berlin was memorial, was: [BoundaryPoint] Territories and tripoi nts
      excuse me again dear bernhard & mats as i was carried away i meant to say i am glad you are here with us in this & your interests & contributions & wishes are
      Jan 08, 2001 @ 19:51 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1253. RE: Berlin was memorial, was: [BoundaryPoint] Territories and tr ipoi nts
      hear, hear..
      Jan 08, 2001 @ 20:20 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
1254. Re: [BoundaryPoint] message 1188
      Mike, Don t know why your atchit looks weird. I have made a new try at http://home.worldonline.dk/~jesniel/border/atchit.htm Jesper ... From: michael donner
      Jan 08, 2001 @ 20:25 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1255. Re: [BoundaryPoint] various responses
      Peter is a great friend of mine, but on this one I will disagree until proved wrong. Both map and photo show a condomination. The map do however also show sort
      Jan 08, 2001 @ 20:29 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1256. Fw: Your site
      Eef Berns is the creater of the site with the Dutch markers (http://home.wanadoo.nl/~eefberns/index.html), that Wolfgang told us about. Eef: We look forward to
      Jan 08, 2001 @ 21:35 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1257. Re: [BoundaryPoint] message 1188
      hahahaha must have lost everything but its edge this does the trick beautifully thanx absolutely gorgeous new danish site you slung up there too m
      Jan 08, 2001 @ 22:51 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1258. Re: [BoundaryPoint] hey
      Matin Ira Glassner s book systematic Political Geography has illustrations of stamps of various enclaves, boundaries and countries in it. BTW, I just checked
      Jan 08, 2001 @ 23:33 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1259. tri country points actually or virtually visited by us
      this update & simplification of message 1124 incorporates various corrections but especially honors the 3 most recent finds &or reports by gartner & peter with
      Jan 09, 2001 @ 04:13 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1260. Re: [BoundaryPoint] hey
      thanx once again brendan we are on the case ... haha right you are eskimos too i daresay & your joke leads me to try for a simpler & more natural & therefore
      Jan 09, 2001 @ 04:16 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1261. Re: [BoundaryPoint] hey
      Baarle enclaves are numbered separatley in the 1995 treaty if they are truly separate or, in the case of one, joined only by a point to another. Those that are
      Jan 09, 2001 @ 06:26 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1262. boundary crosses again was Re: [BoundaryPoint] hey
      ... very interesting indeed ... so buttressed both by legal precedent & practical reality we may say that jungholz is a true enclave & a true exclave & not
      Jan 09, 2001 @ 09:14 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1263. "Condo" Lux-Ger proved to be correct!!!
      Hello, after studying pages after pages of official documents concerning this border I proudly report this: Yes, since 1816 - the year of the first written
      Jan 09, 2001 @ 15:17 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
1264. Oman map scanned - with 2 exclaves !!
      Hello again, for those interested in exclaves/enclaves I found a map of Oman, a country I visited two years ago (most fascinating...!). Attached pls find the
      Jan 09, 2001 @ 15:25 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
1265. Re: [BoundaryPoint] "Condo" Lux-Ger proved to be correct!!!
      thank you my lord we are all proud i think of these twin confirmations of dipunctitrilines at both bedelu & defrlu & also of the new hint you bring of the
      Jan 09, 2001 @ 16:45 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1266. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Oman map scanned - with 2 exclaves !!
      thanxx twice again my liege for the map & easy access now is dibba in madha or at bottom center or where is dibba in this scheme m
      Jan 09, 2001 @ 16:45 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1267. stamps again was Re: [BoundaryPoint] hey
      of course even better than stamps with tri country points on them but probably beyond the pale of hope for at least the foreseeable future would be tri country
      Jan 09, 2001 @ 17:53 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1268. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Oman map scanned - with 2 exclaves !!
      Dibba is the white dot at the bottom of Musandam peninsula in Peter s map. I believe it is called Daba in the map, but the print is too small for me to be
      Jan 09, 2001 @ 18:22 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
1269. Re: [BoundaryPoint] "Condo" Lux-Ger proved to be correct!!!
      it is also fascinating to follow the expanding thread of this mental thalweg into a fully manifested thought area from the first call by barry in message 296 m
      Jan 09, 2001 @ 19:02 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1270. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Oman map scanned - with 2 exclaves !!
      ahh to a more beautiful daba dibba is there a better map anywhere m &or any map of the bengal boundary cross candidate
      Jan 09, 2001 @ 19:05 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1271. Anybody seen this?
      http://www.choisser.com/gallery/places.html Even a reference to corner corner Jesper
      Jan 09, 2001 @ 20:08 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1272. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Anybody seen this?
      several very nice presentations here looks like they are working up to a quintipoint too there is even a hidden & probably unsuspected bipolar international
      Jan 10, 2001 @ 00:06 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1273. the political geography of the oceans
      jrv prescott 1975 seminal poetic elegant little tome includes survey of lit nice place to dive in also noteworthy for possible tri pointing applications are
      Jan 10, 2001 @ 00:07 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1274. Sv: [BoundaryPoint] "Condo" Lux-Ger proved to be correct!!!
      I m very sorry - but I think we should credit Wolfgang (Gartner) for this final access to the truth about the GerLux condo - he supplied me with all the
      Jan 10, 2001 @ 08:09 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
1275. Re: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] "Condo" Lux-Ger proved to be correct!!!
      excellent my lords & thanxx again to you both the revisit also allowed me to grasp for the first time that the dipunctitriline situations at defrlu & bedelu
      Jan 10, 2001 @ 15:36 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1276. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Anybody seen this?
      oops nearly missed this too also in the same photo where the fence line projection approaches the horizon line 3nm out in the ocean is the tripoint where
      Jan 10, 2001 @ 15:43 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1277. Kaukasus map scanned - excl./encl. to be enjoyed...
      Buenos dias, amigos de la frontera...! A friend of mine recently visited the Kaukasus area - quite an unstable region with a lot of occasional fighting going
      Jan 10, 2001 @ 16:44 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
1278. state of the enclave art
      hola chicos rolf & arifs combined collection of enclaves accessible now thru the top link of our top link is looking like the cream of the claves in the world
      Jan 10, 2001 @ 18:01 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1279. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Kaukasus map scanned - excl./encl. to be enjoyed...
      ... are you kiddin pete this is gorgeous gcebe is multicontinental baby there will be no stopping us now m
      Jan 10, 2001 @ 19:23 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1280. updated description of everyones land
      further study of relevant works by prescott & blake points in the direction of an omnisovereign or common human heritage preserve area of the planet comprising
      Jan 10, 2001 @ 22:07 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1281. Re: [BoundaryPoint] updated description of everyones land
      in the eyes of enclave lovers a conspicuous omission from the inventory posted here below which would perhaps be unforgiveable not to correct immediately is
      Jan 11, 2001 @ 07:49 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1282. RE: [BoundaryPoint] updated description of everyones land
      Michael, Double exclaves? Binational enclaves? What wonderful and intriguing concepts! Thank you for this most interesting report. Please forgive my ignorance
      Jan 11, 2001 @ 08:28 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
1283. RE: [BoundaryPoint] updated description of everyones land
      thanX mats i dig it that you dig it & i will ask jc to scan & hang some maps when she gets home as i am a total barbarian to modernity but yes they are
      Jan 11, 2001 @ 17:37 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1284. worlds extremest claves
      ridiculous to consider this since it is evidently their diminutive offspringlike cuteness that most endears the claves to us but the quest for the largest
      Jan 11, 2001 @ 20:13 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1285. testing code77 anglo tallahassee
      hey bill this is just a pretest of my new state of the art mobile quasicommunications system we will be out for chinese in the amphibious unit with the waning
      Jan 11, 2001 @ 21:13 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1286. Germanic links
      Colleagues, For those of you who don t hesitate to read foreign languages: http://www.zollgeschichte.de/ http://www.mms-spiess.ch/Inhalt.htm Mats
      Jan 11, 2001 @ 21:38 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
1287. Historic quadripoint
      Just another pass-time: http://home.hccnet.nl/c.damen/engels/index_en.htm
      Jan 11, 2001 @ 21:47 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
1288. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Historic quadripoint
      nice one & depending on definition & reading of history there is reason to believe this point may have briefly been a quintipoint a trinational or
      Jan 12, 2001 @ 02:29 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1289. RE: [BoundaryPoint] updated description of everyones land
      mats it wont be so easy for you to find all 16 separate units of everyones land on this map in darkest gray as it will be to find all 18 holes within it in
      Jan 12, 2001 @ 03:32 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1290. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Historic quadripoint
      Excellent find... facinating reading. Perhaps another stop on the GCEBE?! Doug ... _________________________________________________________________ Get your
      Jan 12, 2001 @ 05:43 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
1291. An Expedia.com Map from Jesper
      Message from Jesper: Ever seen this devided island. Check also http://edc.usgs.gov/earthshots/slow/LakeChad/LakeChadmap.jpeg Jesper Here is the link to your
      Jan 12, 2001 @ 14:56 - maps@expedia.com (maps@...)
1292. Singapore
      According to Gideon (yes - I have the only Gideon in Denmark in my hands) Singapore have no land boundaries. Any comments on that?? Anyway I think Gideon is a
      Jan 12, 2001 @ 21:00 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1293. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Singapore
      there is a causeway from singapore to malaysia with an unused and detoriating guard post. there is a pavement change at the guard station...which i presume is
      Jan 12, 2001 @ 22:20 - Beckett, Bob ("Beckett, Bob" <Bob.Beckett@...>)
1294. From the news
      Friday January 12 6:56 PM ET India, China Discuss Shared Boundary NEW DELHI, India (AP) - India and China will address a long-standing dispute over a shared
      Jan 13, 2001 @ 08:27 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1295. Where is this?
      http://store.corbis.com/prodconfig/image_details.asp?navid=top25&imageid=10043443
      Jan 13, 2001 @ 21:28 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1296. More on the china-india border dispute
      Saturday January 13 5:37 AM ET Official: China OK With India By HEMA SHUKLA, Associated Press Writer NEW DELHI, India (AP) - China harbors no ill will toward
      Jan 14, 2001 @ 08:34 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1297. Sv: [BoundaryPoint] Where is this?
      Difficult to see details...but: the boundary marker states: Treaty of Versailles 1918, and F/D (France/Deutschland...)??? My guess... Peter ... From: Jesper &
      Jan 14, 2001 @ 13:37 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
1298. Important notice conc. GCEBE !
      Important notice concerning this year s GCEBE: Dear fellow boundary freaks: More than 7 months before our GCEBE I ve given the tour a lot of consideration and
      Jan 14, 2001 @ 14:45 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
1299. The Gibraltar Neutral Zone
      Well guys Here is the story of that zone http://www.gibnet.com/texts/neutral.htm Jesper
      Jan 14, 2001 @ 18:37 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1300. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Important notice conc. GCEBE !
      Some comments from someone who wants to come, but probably won t have the $ to do so... - How long is the drove fomr Copenhagen to Czech... seems a LONG way.
      Jan 14, 2001 @ 23:12 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1301. Gibraltar Neutral Zone
      I have posted a few comments I got on the Neutral Zone http://home.worldonline.dk/~jesniel/border/gibespneuzon.htm Jesper
      Jan 15, 2001 @ 19:28 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1302. kings day again
      seeing kings day come up yet again today in america & florida & crystal river where i am lucky enough to be posting this from probably the only public library
      Jan 16, 2001 @ 00:11 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1303. Border Point Message No 1295
      
      Jan 16, 2001 @ 10:17 - Gartner Wolfgang (Gartner Wolfgang <WGartner@kliem.de>)
1304. Revised itinerary GCEBE - 2nd edition
      Dear fellow border freaks - attached pls find revised itinerary for the GCEBE - I found some minor mistakes and added the approx. km s driven per day ! Regards
      Jan 16, 2001 @ 13:07 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
1305. forgot the attachment-sorry - here it comes
      
      Jan 16, 2001 @ 13:09 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
1306. Sv: [BoundaryPoint] Important notice conc. GCEBE !
      Hello Brendan, thanks for your comments, most interesting... conc. lack of cash... well I know it s a long way, not only to Tipperary,. but from Aussie as well
      Jan 16, 2001 @ 13:44 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
1307. border markers France-Spain
      I did a lot of walking in the Pyrenees, following the long distance -coast to coast- path GR10. There s a line of border markers on the mountain ridges. I
      Jan 16, 2001 @ 16:28 - Eef Berns ("Eef Berns" <eefberns@...>)
1308. special to eef & gartner & peter
      welcome at last eef we have been enjoying your site & expecting you http://www.egroups.com/message/boundarypoint/728 leads to one interesting pyreenean
      Jan 17, 2001 @ 01:18 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1309. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
      Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File :
      Jan 16, 2001 @ 20:22 - BoundaryPoint@egroups.com ( <BoundaryPoint@egroups.com>)
1310. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border Point Message No 1295
      Nice pictures. I presume SFR Jugoslavia and SR Slovenia mean Soviet (Former) Republic of Jugoslavia and Soviet Republic of Slovenia ? ;-) ...
      Jan 16, 2001 @ 22:10 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1311. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border Point Message No 1295
      Nice pictures. I presume SFR Jugoslavia and SR Slovenia mean Soviet (Former) Republic of Jugoslavia and Soviet Republic of Slovenia ? ;-) Brendan ...
      Jan 16, 2001 @ 22:10 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1312. Re: [BoundaryPoint] border markers France-Spain
      After researching the case of Llivia, I can field this one: After the Treaty of the Pyrenees defined the boundary between France and Spain in 1659, the border
      Jan 16, 2001 @ 22:20 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1313. Additional info asked border markers Fr-Sp
      Brendan, thanks a lot for your answer. But can you (or someone else) tell me in addition: - what is the case of Llivia ? - more bibliographic data of Parry s
      Jan 17, 2001 @ 11:04 - Eef Berns ("Eef Berns" <eefberns@...>)
1314. Re: border markers France-Spain
      is there any info here about the andorra tripoints m ... and ... as the ... and went ... treaty ... andorra ... Mediterranean ... positions of ... Treaty ...
      Jan 17, 2001 @ 15:44 - mick donner ("mick donner" <m@...>)
1315. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
      Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File :
      Jan 17, 2001 @ 21:24 - BoundaryPoint@egroups.com ( <BoundaryPoint@egroups.com>)
1316. Lake Okeechobee quinticounty attempt now scheduled for Feb. 3, 2001
      The long awaited attempt to mark the quinticounty point (the convergence of five Florida counties in Lake Okeechobee in south Florida: Okeechobee, Glades,
      Jan 17, 2001 @ 21:32 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
1317. Fwd: Lake Okeechobee So Low a 92-Foot Yacht Ran Aground
      great news bill now maybe we can get a ride with jack rice at slims fish camp stay tuned for inauguration day back on the case m ...
      Jan 17, 2001 @ 23:18 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1318. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: border markers France-Spain
      Each of the three sections of the border demarcated was the result of 2 treaties, one on methods and the second giving the actual monument location
      Jan 17, 2001 @ 23:58 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1319. Mexico and USA Agree to Divide Unclaimed Area in Gulf of Mexico
      Mexico, U.S. Agree to Divide Unclaimed Area in Gulf of Mexico The Associated Press MEXICO CITY (AP) - Mexico and the United States signed an agreement to
      Jan 18, 2001 @ 12:22 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
1320. Re: border markers France-Spain
      great thanx also can you tell if the 1659 & later treaties & inventories include or ignore the 1375 stone & earlier stones i ask because i believe this
      Jan 18, 2001 @ 19:45 - mick donner ("mick donner" <m@...>)
1321. Borders and Maps
      I have four things to say and/or ask. So here it goes. I read a book on micronations that the border between France and Spain is defined in a certain way so
      Jan 19, 2001 @ 00:11 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@yahoo.com>)
1322. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Additional info asked border markers Fr-Sp
      I study enclaves, so Llivia is one of several case-studies for my research. This is an expression meaning examples , and does not imply legal court-cases!
      Jan 17, 2001 @ 23:50 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1323. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: border markers France-Spain
      Don t know about the 1375 stone. My research has been onLlivia, and that didn t beomce an enclave until 1659. The Pyrenees have been a border for centuries in
      Jan 19, 2001 @ 04:43 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1324. the gchobee has been booked for travel
      the greatly coincident heart of okeechobee buoy emplacement expedition is now positively scheduled to embark weather permitting on saturday the 3rd of february
      Jan 19, 2001 @ 15:36 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1325. special to arif & brendan
      again i apologize for the tight style but i do thank you both emphatically for your recent posts which i am looking forward to checking out in greater detail
      Jan 19, 2001 @ 15:41 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1326. RE: [BoundaryPoint] the gchobee has been booked for travel
      btw i inadvertently pocketed your pen That s OK Mick...I ve got your scale! Bill _________________________________________________________________ Get your
      Jan 19, 2001 @ 18:52 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
1327. have a nice weekend with Gary...
      One of my favorites: Gary Larson - enjoy.. and have a nice weekend... Pete
      Jan 20, 2001 @ 11:44 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
1328. Turkey-Iran-Iraq
      Hello freaks Can anybody inform me on what Gideon say on tp Turkey-Iran-Iraq? Is it marked? I recall something about marker 99. Thanks Jesper
      Jan 20, 2001 @ 15:00 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1329. laorospo
      bill i just realized since laorospo like all the other multicounty points in florida is defined in terms of corner points in the public land system what you
      Jan 20, 2001 @ 17:47 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1330. DRC-Tan-Zam
      Is this old news? Copied from http://www.matadi.com/ Democratic Republic of the Congo-Tanzania-Zambia tripoint in Lake Tanganyika may no longer be indefinite
      Jan 20, 2001 @ 20:00 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1331. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Important notice conc. GCEBE !
      If I didn t reply earlier, I will now. I m in! With at least one video camera. This is going to be a hoot! Doug (the TV guy) ...
      Jan 20, 2001 @ 23:12 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
1332. RE: [BoundaryPoint] laorospo
      Mick, I agree. However, I ve often found that finding township or section corner monuments on the ground are also frequently difficult... Bill ... From:
      Jan 21, 2001 @ 20:14 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
1333. Re: have a nice weekend with Gary...
      hahahahaha hahaha m but wait then who really lost who finally an attachment i got
      Jan 22, 2001 @ 15:53 - mick donner ("mick donner" <m@...>)
1334. Re: DRC-Tan-Zam
      nice find jesper lets add to our african tripoints page m ... Tanganyika may no longer be indefinite since it has been informally reported that the indefinite
      Jan 22, 2001 @ 15:54 - mick donner ("mick donner" <m@...>)
1335. Re: laorospo
      right & i also realized there is no uniformity in section corner pins still it may be a help btw i went looking for codamo last week collier dade monroe
      Jan 22, 2001 @ 15:57 - mick donner ("mick donner" <m@...>)
1336. source of glhemaokpa almost found
      the leading candidate for global maxipoint has now been traced virtually all the way back to its conceptual source a microfilm search of local newspapers last
      Jan 22, 2001 @ 16:17 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1337. Re: Borders and Maps
      ... indeed arif i just checked it out & this list is already beautifully realized at your site ... right again i have crossed this bridge many times without
      Jan 23, 2001 @ 00:14 - mick donner ("mick donner" <m@...>)
1338. Re: Important notice conc. GCEBE !
      good show doug the master must still be away or i think he would certainly have blessed your camera adderie meanwhile if you would get your sweet ass down to
      Jan 23, 2001 @ 18:06 - mick donner ("mick donner" <m@...>)
1339. Re: Mexico and USA Agree to Divide Unclaimed Area in Gulf of Mexico
      interesting also was it my imagination or arent there really 2 donut holes out there & are these the same or different from the 2 omnisovereign holes of human
      Jan 23, 2001 @ 18:17 - mick donner ("mick donner" <m@...>)
1340. why laorospo is important
      laorospo part 1 members nonplussed or puzzled by bills & my interest in florida multipointing deserve a fuller explanation of its importance beginning at the
      Jan 24, 2001 @ 02:49 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1341. International Boundaries by Ewan W Anderson
      Does anyone know of this book? Is it better than Gideon? International Boundaries - An Atlas of Frontiers - (buy from Amazon.com) ~ Advanced orders being
      Jan 23, 2001 @ 20:21 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1342. RE: [BoundaryPoint] why laorospo is important
      Nice explanation of the reasoning behind our madness, Mike! Bill PS: Messages 447 through 456 contain relevant photos of laorospo. Also see larospo.doc in
      Jan 24, 2001 @ 00:34 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
1343. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Important notice conc. GCEBE !
      Actually, I will be in America next weekend. (Not much of a challenge, as the 49th is but 40 minutes to the south). But this time, I ll be in New York City.
      Jan 24, 2001 @ 07:19 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
1344. Re: International Boundaries by Ewan W Anderson
      Ewan Anderson is a professor in the Centre for Middle Eastern and Islamic Studies at the University of Durham and a former associate of the International
      Jan 24, 2001 @ 10:10 - Martin Pratt ("Martin Pratt" <m.a.pratt@...>)
1345. Re: Mexico and USA Agree to Divide Unclaimed Area in Gulf of Mexico
      The agreement divided the continental shelf of both doughnut holes in the Gulf of Mexico but the water column above the seabed in both areas remains part of
      Jan 24, 2001 @ 10:13 - Martin Pratt ("Martin Pratt" <m.a.pratt@...>)
1346. Re: Mexico and USA Agree to Divide Unclaimed Area in Gulf of Mexico
      much obliged martin & you are as always highly illuminating & never boring so if i may summarize &or extrapolate it does appear from all this that we may well
      Jan 24, 2001 @ 19:01 - mick donner ("mick donner" <m@...>)
1347. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Borders and Maps
      Hmm, Mike, I am hoping you actually took some pictures of the Panamanian bridge, because it would be somewhat disheartening to know somebody drove through a
      Jan 25, 2001 @ 06:19 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
1348. GCEBE - dates fixed !
      Hello everybody interested in the GCEBE : Day 1 (arrival Copenhagen) will be Thursday Sept. 6 ! Day 10 and 11 (end of trip): Saturday/Sunday Sept. 15/16 !
      Jan 25, 2001 @ 11:08 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
1349. Message 1347 From: Arif Samad Date: Thu Jan 25, 2001 6:19am
      hi, there is a treaty between France and Suisse dated 1953, 1956, 1979. I can send the text (without a Map) to you, but the hole text is in German. Abkommen
      Jan 25, 2001 @ 15:07 - Gartner Wolfgang (Gartner Wolfgang <WGartner@...>)
1350. Re: Important notice conc. GCEBE !
      well anyway doug it sure felt good in the consideration & i do understand the 2 or 3 potomac tripoints are all rather interesting the most southerly or
      Jan 25, 2001 @ 15:16 - mick donner ("mick donner" <m@...>)
1351. Re: Borders and Maps
      haha well i deliberately only brought my mental camera on that trip so i can tell you it was called the bridge of the americas in those days i guess because
      Jan 25, 2001 @ 18:55 - mick donner ("mick donner" <m@...>)
1352. Re: GCEBE - dates fixed !
      excellent peter now i hope you will let me buy at least the initial or terminal round of drinks also i finally found a library where i could discern your
      Jan 25, 2001 @ 19:06 - mick donner ("mick donner" <m@...>)
1353. laorospo part 3
      dry multipoints are generally pretty easy to find because they are usually monumented especially if they are of major importance but laorospo tho probably
      Jan 25, 2001 @ 19:19 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1354. Re: [BoundaryPoint] GCEBE - dates fixed !
      Maybe a picnic, where the border runs through the table. Half the table could serve Belgian food (waffles? chocolate?) and the other side could hold Dutch
      Jan 26, 2001 @ 05:39 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
1355. Cyprus agreement
      http://www.kypros.org/Constitution/cons2.html Jesper
      Jan 26, 2001 @ 20:05 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1356. laorospo part 4 or 5
      now where was i oh yes dumbing myself down great fun for this reason i have never owned a gps nor even a compass & often like to make a first try without a map
      Jan 26, 2001 @ 22:52 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1357. Peter Hering's Border Pictures
      JN Entertainment proudly presents a Peter Hering home page ... http://www.geocities.com/mafiapetedk/ has been updated. Jesper
      Jan 27, 2001 @ 07:50 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1358. BRD - DDR query
      Colleagues, Joining this list was one of my best moves in recent years. I d like to thank you all for the wealth of information provided here and for
      Jan 27, 2001 @ 11:04 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
1359. Best topomap scanned
      and posted at http://www.scanmaps.dk/butik/produkter/4cm.php3 Jesper
      Jan 27, 2001 @ 16:46 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1360. Sv: [BoundaryPoint] BRD - DDR query
      Dear Mats, thanks for kind remarks about our group ! Yes, we all get lots of information and news all the time, much of it quite new and exciting... Re. your
      Jan 27, 2001 @ 18:38 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
1361. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Message 1347 From: Arif Samad Date: Thu Jan 25, 2001 6:19am
      Try the UN Treaty Series, which should be held by any decent library. It has indexes every 50 volumes or so (large red paperback volumes most recently,
      Jan 28, 2001 @ 01:09 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1362. Re: [BoundaryPoint] GCEBE - dates fixed !
      Whicxh reminds me... Besides the 5 enclaves along the Belg-German border near monschau, there was another some way south, much closer to Lux, west of a small
      Jan 28, 2001 @ 01:30 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1363. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Best topomap scanned
      The full reference for the article by Prof Book is: Angerdorf och Exklav - två företeelser inom den berlinska geografin. _Acta Wexionensia_ volume1 #4,
      Jan 28, 2001 @ 02:27 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1364. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Best topomap scanned
      ok, the accents didn t come out: The a in tva has a small circle above it, and the o on foreteelser has 2 dots above it Brendan ...
      Jan 28, 2001 @ 02:39 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1365. Re: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] BRD - DDR query
      hello, compared to the good old times (which were not good by the way) most of the border is gone. However if you take highway A24 from Hamburg to Berlin,
      Jan 28, 2001 @ 08:51 - kahbeh@hotmail.com (kahbeh@...)
1366. to doug with ps to all
      doug your exuberance is appreciated so no need to wait til september to keep dosing us with it the benl doubly stressed desserts could easily become a bedenl
      Jan 28, 2001 @ 03:47 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1367. GCEBE-map and reminder...
      Ave - dear boundary mates...! Just a little reminder - please let me know about your possible participation in the GCEBE! before Jan. 31... no commitments
      Jan 28, 2001 @ 14:41 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
1368. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
      Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File :
      Jan 28, 2001 @ 14:57 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com ( <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>)
1369. to Arif Samad Message 1347
      enclosed the text file Wolfgang Gärtner c/o Carl Kliem GmbH An der Hauptwache 7 D 60313 Frankfurt am Main Telefon 49-69-9201622 Fax
      Jan 29, 2001 @ 08:41 - Gartner Wolfgang (Gartner Wolfgang <WGartner@kliem.de>)
1370. laorospo part 11
      now if you will indulge me 1 final but essential preambulation before coming to the point once something has been discovered or actualized well then it is
      Jan 29, 2001 @ 16:51 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1371. Ex-exclave in belgium.
      The following scan of the ex-enclave (disappeared 28 august 1958 in accordance with 24 Sept 1956 treaty of Brussels) is fomr Belgian 1:25 000 topo map 56/7-8,
      Jan 30, 2001 @ 04:36 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
1372. laorospo part 2b
      the night we failed to meet last year i was intending to try laorospo & to invite bill to meet me there when that didnt happen bill tried it himself a few
      Jan 30, 2001 @ 19:45 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1373. Bangladesh-India enclaves
      I was looking at the Bangladeshi maps I have and it seems that I may have actually taken a Rickshaw over an Indian enclave about thirteen years ago before I
      Jan 30, 2001 @ 22:32 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
1374. RE: [BoundaryPoint] GCEBE-map and reminder...
      Peter, I am thinking very seriously about joining you on the trip. Also I may be able to get a friend to come also. Jack ... From: Peter Hering
      Jan 31, 2001 @ 19:23 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@gisco.net>)
1375. glhemaokpa coordinates
      Mick, it just occured to me that I don t have the coordinates for glhemaokpa, and I can t seem to lay my hands on the appropriate quad (which I know I have
      Feb 01, 2001 @ 02:30 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
1376. RE: [BoundaryPoint] glhemaokpa coordinates
      Just happen to have them handy. N26d 57m 32s W80d 53m 08s by Delorme N26d 57m 31s W80d 53m 07s by Topozone Hope you both have a great time finding it. Jack
      Feb 01, 2001 @ 03:43 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
1377. Sv: [BoundaryPoint] border markers France-Spain
      Dear Eef, very interesting indeed! According to all info we have on this border it should be one of the oldest untouched borderlines in the world! And very
      Feb 01, 2001 @ 10:35 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
1378. RE: [BoundaryPoint] glhemaokpa coordinates
      Thanks, Jack! A full report will be forthcoming! Bill
      Feb 01, 2001 @ 10:57 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
1379. Re: [BoundaryPoint] glhemaokpa coordinates
      thanx bill got the quad & from it probably the best possible coords tho one never knows dont mind the front blowing thru today & tomorrow it still looks like a
      Feb 01, 2001 @ 23:37 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1380. RE: [BoundaryPoint] glhemaokpa coordinates
      thanx jack may the farce be with us m ... Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
      Feb 01, 2001 @ 15:45 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1381. RE: [BoundaryPoint] glhemaokpa coordinates
      OK thanks Mike. I plan on leaving the house about 6:30 AM on Saturday to get down there...let me know if there are any changes! Cell: 407-973-8031 Home:
      Feb 01, 2001 @ 16:54 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
1382. RE: [BoundaryPoint] glhemaokpa coordinates
      excellent bill will call some time tomorrow with update also i should tell people that when bill says cell he means it part of our unique bond is that we both
      Feb 01, 2001 @ 21:20 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1383. RE: [BoundaryPoint] glhemaokpa coordinates
      I have fond memories of my college years, but that isn t one of em! Bill ... From: Michael Donner [mailto:m@discovernet.net] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001
      Feb 01, 2001 @ 22:42 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
1384. Re: [BoundaryPoint] border markers France-Spain
      Dear Peter Your wish fulfilled: my pictures of pyreneean border markers te be seen on: http://home.wanadoo.nl/~eefberns/index.html (click on Pyreneeën in the
      Feb 02, 2001 @ 13:52 - Eef Berns ("Eef Berns" <eefberns@...>)
1385. Re: border markers France-Spain
      Great pictures, Eef...thanks very much for the post....keep them coming! Bill
      Feb 02, 2001 @ 20:56 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
1386. Re: border markers France-Spain
      Great pictures, Eef...thanks very much for the post. Please keep them coming! Bill
      Feb 02, 2001 @ 20:58 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
1387. RE: [BoundaryPoint] glhemaokpa coordinates
      this is too much jack last time i would have made idmtwy if i had realized soon enough that you were the man to listen to there but missed by 700 feet this
      Feb 01, 2001 @ 21:34 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1388. monroe county quintipopper
      key largo public library must be the flagship of the 5 keys to the internet in monroe county we have a magnetic bookplate on our dashboard with all their
      Feb 01, 2001 @ 22:41 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1389. Cyprus
      Nice map http://www.undp.org/missions/cyprus/unficyp.gif Note ..the Kokkina-enclave, which is actually a double enclave as there is an UN-buffer zone enclave
      Feb 03, 2001 @ 20:23 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1390. Clickable site
      I thought this clickable site was pretty cool just for the zoomworthiness of it. http://ngis2.statkart.no/norgesglasset/default.html Arif
      Feb 04, 2001 @ 07:35 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
1391. glhemaokpa wet megapoint crowned!
      Well, it finally happened! After months of discussion and planning, glhemaokpa, the world s megapoint, a wetpoint conjuction of five counties in Florida s
      Feb 04, 2001 @ 13:40 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
1392. Re: [BoundaryPoint] glhemaokpa wet megapoint crowned!
      Goshdarnit guys (sorry for using profanity), but Lake Okeechobee is third. You are either forgetting that Lake Michigan is completely in United States or that
      Feb 05, 2001 @ 00:24 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
1393. RE: [BoundaryPoint] glhemaokpa wet megapoint crowned!
      Thanks Arif...make the second largest in the the lower 48! (I believe its area is actually 730 square miles). I had considered Lake Michigan, but not
      Feb 05, 2001 @ 00:47 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
1394. glhemaokpa
      meanwhile back in key largo thanxx to jane & bill & captain tom hardiman & bo son devin we have our quintipopper class a the first in history a wet
      Feb 05, 2001 @ 15:31 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1395. Re: [BoundaryPoint] glhemaokpa wet megapoint crowned!
      islamorada thanx arif for some reason i think of you a lot here & you certainly were with us there in bills defense i will say again iliamna means great lake
      Feb 05, 2001 @ 17:17 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1396. Re: [BoundaryPoint] glhemaokpa wet megapoint crowned!
      bill let me just say i did sort of design the buoy but jane aka jc is the artist of it & people do just as often call me mr capellaro after her & we are both
      Feb 05, 2001 @ 17:29 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1397. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cyprus
      gorgeous map jesper can you put your finger on the 4 de facto tripoints not sure i can yet m ... Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at
      Feb 05, 2001 @ 17:32 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1398. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cyprus
      SW circle: Greek-UK-UN NW circle: Turkish-UN-UK E circle: appears to be a Turkish-UK-UN Jesper ... From: Michael Donner To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent:
      Feb 05, 2001 @ 18:57 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
1399. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
      Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File :
      Feb 05, 2001 @ 20:13 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com ( <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>)
1400. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
      Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File :
      Feb 05, 2001 @ 20:16 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com ( <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>)
1401. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
      Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File :
      Feb 05, 2001 @ 20:18 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com ( <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>)
1402. glhemaokpa wet megapoint expedition photos
      Photos attached of glhemaokpa wet megapoint expedition (conjunction of Glades, Hendry, Martin, Okeechobee and Palm Beach counties in Florida s Lake
      Feb 05, 2001 @ 20:52 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@kua.net>)
1403. Where is Chong?
      Anybody?? Please help. http://community.webshots.com/photo/460083/460107 Jesper
      Feb 05, 2001 @ 21:15 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1404. margins of error
      marathon again for possibly the first reported multi library day in history & if anyone was wondering it is not possible to do a quintilibrary day at all on a
      Feb 06, 2001 @ 05:22 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1405. glhemaokpa margin of error
      Recap from Mike s previous posting regarding glhemaokpa margin of error: our 2 gps receivers were not fully synchronized & actually disagreed in the end by a
      Feb 05, 2001 @ 22:26 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
1406. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cyprus
      Thanks Jesper for a nice map of Cyprus, but there is one oddity: it s the first one I ve seen that combines the main UN buffer zone (going through the island)
      Feb 06, 2001 @ 06:30 - rpalmber@abo.fi (rpalmber@...)
1407. Re: [BoundaryPoint] glhemaokpa margin of error
      right bill & thanx for filling this in just right the fifth & hopefully last source of error is that the 20 foot buoy mooring in under 8 feet of water gives
      Feb 07, 2001 @ 00:00 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1408. Re: Cyprus
      If you liked the Cyprus map that Jesper found, I recommend the UN Cartographic Section web site at http://www.un.org/Depts/Cartographic/english/htmain.htm It
      Feb 06, 2001 @ 17:05 - m.a.pratt@durham.ac.uk (m.a.pratt@...)
1409. Fw: Province Island
      ... From: Josh Calder To: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 5:31 AM Subject: Province
      Feb 06, 2001 @ 18:41 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1410. Neutral-Moresnet
      Some Informations to DEBENL and Neutral-Moresnet. Aerticle from Aachener Nachrichten 3.2.2001 Wolfgang Gärtner c/o Carl Kliem GmbH An der
      Feb 07, 2001 @ 15:38 - Gartner Wolfgang (Gartner Wolfgang <WGartner@kliem.de>)
1411. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cyprus
      right rolf i have been pinning my hopes for the 4 de facto tripoints only on the strength of http:// www.lib.utexas.edu/Libs/PCL/
      Feb 07, 2001 @ 16:42 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1412. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Cyprus
      You know what? I have had the UN site on my links page for a long time. You should check it out. I have added a few links over the last few days. There is
      Feb 07, 2001 @ 23:46 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
1413. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cyprus
      Hi everybody (especially Michael) There are no physical boundary markers btw Cypriot and British territories on Cyprus, neither for the Dhekelia nor Akrotiri
      Feb 08, 2001 @ 06:49 - Rolf Palmberg LI ("Rolf Palmberg LI" <rpalmber@...>)
1414. Iguazu tripoint map
      http://www.solartours.com/Destinations/Argentina/Iguazu/Iguazu2000-MAP.htm
      Feb 09, 2001 @ 11:50 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1415. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cyprus
      major thanx rolf & pleasantly surprised to have these firsthand accounts so i guess it means there may be hope of actually finding markers for the turkish pair
      Feb 09, 2001 @ 16:16 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1416. Lake Prespa
      http://www.virtualtourist.com/.107800/article/163/3/?s=231697750&xx@lo9281107800 tp Greece-Macedeonia-Albania
      Feb 09, 2001 @ 17:10 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1417. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cyprus
      Zoomable map of Nicosia, Cyprus http://www.traveltocyprus.com.cy/nicosia/ ... From: Michael Donner To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February
      Feb 09, 2001 @ 17:46 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1418. ATITSK
      http://www.3laendereck.at/
      Feb 09, 2001 @ 18:11 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1419. Hjælp
      Hej Peter http://www.gtc.cz/images/foto/p_cizov.htm Kan du placere denne? at cz? jesper
      Feb 09, 2001 @ 20:23 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1420. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Cyprus
      these canal zone maps seem to indicate that panama was never actually severed into 2 halves by the canal zone but that the zone was actually a hole completely
      Feb 10, 2001 @ 04:59 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1421. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Cyprus
      I have no idea whether PCZ was a hole within Panama or not, but on land it seems like PCZ divides Panama in two. It is possible PCZ boundaries on water was
      Feb 10, 2001 @ 06:45 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@yahoo.com>)
1422. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ATITSK
      do they give a photo or other tripoint info there the only thing i understood was donnerstag m ... Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at
      Feb 10, 2001 @ 23:54 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1423. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Lake Prespa
      this is very pertinent i think the mentioned island agios achileios may be the one just northeast of where mile will be dropping his buoy m ... Get your FREE
      Feb 10, 2001 @ 23:56 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1424. Border Pictures Update
      Dear Colleagues The long waited update of Border Pictures have now taken place: The URLs are: http://www.image.dk/~jesniel/border/border.htm and
      Feb 11, 2001 @ 21:58 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1425. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Border Pictures Update
      Jesper, what a great job! This is impressive...a very nice resource! I really appreciate the work that went into this. Bill ... From: Jesper & Nicolette
      Feb 11, 2001 @ 23:36 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
1426. hahimapo quadpoint: "Have machete, will travel"
      Michael, Having sufficiently recovered from sunburn, hypothermia and near drowning, I m ready to do it again. The weekend of March 3-4 also looks like my best
      Feb 12, 2001 @ 05:31 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
1427. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border Pictures Update
      Jesper, Great job, excellent resource, nice design. vriendelijke groet, Eef Berns ... websites: - de grenspalen van Nederland: (border markers of the
      Feb 12, 2001 @ 08:57 - Eef Berns ("Eef Berns" <eefberns@...>)
1428. Border Pictures
      Dear colleagues using Netscape Sorry for the bug in Border Pictures. It has now been corrected. And thanks for all the nice words. Best regards Jesper Nielsen
      Feb 12, 2001 @ 20:34 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1429. Fw: Encyclopedia of international boundaries
      Hi BoundaryPointers! Can you believe it. I got an e-mail from Gideon himself. Ask me if I was flattered??? Jesper ... From: Prof. Gedeon Biger
      Feb 12, 2001 @ 20:35 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1430. Additional glhemaokpa photos from Lake Okeechobee
      Additional photos from the 2/3/01 glhemaokpa wet megapoint expedition on Lake Okeechobee...
      Feb 12, 2001 @ 22:21 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@kua.net>)
1431. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ATITSK
      jesper the joke must have been on me atitsk or the austria italy slovakia tripoint doesnt exist atitsi or the austria italy slovenia tripoint must be what this
      Feb 13, 2001 @ 17:56 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1432. Re: hahimapo quadpoint: "Have machete, will travel"
      ok bill i may get there sooner not sure yet no paper map the topozone 25k scale is probably just as good in this case my printed copy of it shows the road
      Feb 13, 2001 @ 18:35 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1433. hahimapo location
      hahimapo - location of intended another Florida four county point in early March by Mike Donner and Bill Hanrahan. Should be relatively easy access except for
      Feb 14, 2001 @ 04:06 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
1434. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ATITSK
      Mike There are also no kangaroos in Austria either. Sorry, but I messed up Slovakia with Slovenia. Jesper ... From: Michael Donner To:
      Feb 14, 2001 @ 05:42 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1435. RE: [BoundaryPoint] hahimapo location
      Bill, looks like a real short hike. Hope you find it snake-free. Has anybody made a compilation of all of the quad-county points in the US? I have started on
      Feb 14, 2001 @ 14:32 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
1436. RE: [BoundaryPoint] hahimapo location
      It should be a short hike Jack, but I wasn t kidding about the snakes. About two years ago, I was bitten by a snake not too far from that location when I was
      Feb 14, 2001 @ 14:39 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
1437. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fw: Encyclopedia of international boundaries
      this is incredibly good news maybe we can pick his brain & vast experience now for some more particulars on our weak or uncertain points like atchde bedelu the
      Feb 14, 2001 @ 23:11 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1438. RE: [BoundaryPoint] hahimapo location
      http://www.egroups.com/message/boundarypoint/547 is a pretty good first or second try at compiling all the tertiary megapoints of the usa including
      Feb 14, 2001 @ 23:22 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1439. Norwegian border site
      http://www.hum.uit.no/a/schimanski/grenser/grenselenker.htm
      Feb 14, 2001 @ 16:43 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1440. Quadropoint
      Great Central Asian Border Expedition http://www.virtualtourist.com/m/.58964/694/?s=981097750 But what is the border gate? Jesper
      Feb 14, 2001 @ 22:25 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1441. disappearing messages
      Is anyone else losing the text of the messages from Michael Donner? I receive list correspondence in digest form, and for all Mike s messages over the last
      Feb 15, 2001 @ 09:51 - m.a.pratt@durham.ac.uk (m.a.pratt@...)
1442. RE: [BoundaryPoint] disappearing messages
      Martin, I suspect that this may have something to do with the digest format, as I ve seen this appear on other lists...but I haven t been able to isolate the
      Feb 15, 2001 @ 11:36 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
1443. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Quadropoint
      my guess is that this probably refers to the pair of very close tripoints where kazakhstan & mongolia almost meet but are cut off by china & russia which do
      Feb 15, 2001 @ 15:51 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1444. RE: [BoundaryPoint] disappearing messages
      thank you both for pointing this out & indeed for caring i find i cant receive me in the digest either but can do so at the bp website so perhaps you would
      Feb 15, 2001 @ 16:00 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1445. more about the local points
      still thinking about the dangerous & uncertain bahamas cuba usa tripoint which must lie about 50 miles south of here here again being marathon at the moment &
      Feb 16, 2001 @ 23:34 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1446. Urumqi border
      Hello guys Can anybody enlighten me what border this fella here is talking about http://www.virtualtourist.com/m/.58964/694/?s=508497750 He himself has not
      Feb 16, 2001 @ 19:30 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1447. Re: [BoundaryPoint] more about the local points
      am really thinking now of taking a plane ride to photograph the bscuus or bahamas cuba usa tripoint from a safe enough distance so as not to provoke the cuban
      Feb 17, 2001 @ 20:30 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1448. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Urumqi border
      hej http://www.goldenbridge.net/SRG3.htm an interesting site in itself makes it clear that urumqi & turpan as well as the taklamakan desert far to their south
      Feb 18, 2001 @ 04:53 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1449. Dangerous tripoint
      Since some of you (particulary Mike) has a challenge with some national multipoints here is another challenge on European ground. It s a point I discovered
      Feb 17, 2001 @ 21:17 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1450. on bggrtr
      EDIRNE, Aug 5 (A.A) - Hamdi Sedefci, the Mayor of Edirne, proposed on Wednesday to establish a Free Zone at the Kapikule Border Gate and in a place where
      Feb 17, 2001 @ 21:39 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1451. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Urumqi border
      He says the wall and gate are in the mioddle of the Taklamakan. That is entirely within Xinjiang (Sinkiang) province in China s NW, so from that descriptino
      Feb 18, 2001 @ 01:23 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1452. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Dangerous tripoint
      Coolangatta airport on the Gold Coast has its runway half in Qld and half in NSW. Only a few roads cross the border, and none are reidential subdivisions, for
      Feb 18, 2001 @ 01:31 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1453. Re: Border rivers
      Well I am looking for a list where the river = border. LIke Danube forming the border of Bulgaria-Romania, but also the Orange River which forms the border of
      Feb 18, 2001 @ 13:30 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1454. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Border rivers
      The border around Baarle between pillars 214 and 215 (ie the main border, not the enclave) followed drainage ditches and canals etc for most of its length.
      Feb 18, 2001 @ 22:34 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1455. Fwd: Pool In Hinnom Valley (Jerusalem)
      Can anyone help this chap? ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at
      Feb 18, 2001 @ 22:46 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1456. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Border rivers
      Thanks for your help. I was just hoping someone had done the job already. Jesper ... From: Brendan Whyte To:
      Feb 18, 2001 @ 22:47 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1457. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Border rivers
      Using maps of Kaliningrad at 1:500 000 and 1:200 000, the village of Osmre-Bardo is at 20d59 E 54d21 N and staddles a river called Smroo[?]a Barytska, which
      Feb 19, 2001 @ 04:42 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1458. 1,000 feet over glhemaokpa...
      Attached are a few photos of my 2-18-01 re-visit to glhemaokpa...plus 1,000 feet. Unfortunately, relatively high winds kept me from descending below 1,000
      Feb 19, 2001 @ 18:34 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@kua.net>)
1459. Re: Border rivers
      Hello, I signed up to BoundaryPoint a couple of weeks ago. I m very interested in all kinds of boundary stuff, like enclaves, weird boundaries, etc. I thought
      Feb 20, 2001 @ 08:00 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1460. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Border rivers
      welcome peter & highest regards especially for the quality of your analysis m ... Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Hello, I
      Feb 21, 2001 @ 00:06 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1461. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Dangerous tripoint
      glad to have you back in strength brendan & jesper you seem to have discovered another floating or at least aeronautic tertiary or quaternary multipoint for
      Feb 21, 2001 @ 01:01 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1462. Re: [BoundaryPoint] on bggrtr
      awesome baby another arising of everyones land looking for a place to happen m i hope mile of macedonia is tuned in too as this is in his neighborhood ... Get
      Feb 21, 2001 @ 01:07 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1463. florida multipointing schedule
      dear bill this schedule idea is half in jest because i actually prefer not to be on schedule tho i do trust we still have a solid green light for hahimapo the
      Feb 20, 2001 @ 17:30 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1464. RE: [BoundaryPoint] florida multipointing schedule
      Mike, I can t do it this coming weekend, but the weekend of March 3-4 is still solid green. Also, I ve been thinking about your US/Cuba/Bahamas tri-point.
      Feb 20, 2001 @ 19:30 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
1465. Great awesome news
      My new friend Peter Smaardijk have just send me some great links, and I am very excited to share it would you. First of all we have a NEW tripoint photo at
      Feb 20, 2001 @ 20:58 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1466. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Great awesome news
      yesss tripoint number 26 i think but which one is it the third from the left on the bottom m ... Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at
      Feb 20, 2001 @ 21:26 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1467. RE: [BoundaryPoint] florida multipointing schedule
      ok i will probably be working my way up to there then by the mentioned routing also my exuberant congrats posted earlier today seem not to have arrived yet at
      Feb 20, 2001 @ 21:33 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1468. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Great awesome news
      yep ... From: Michael Donner To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Great awesome news yesss
      Feb 20, 2001 @ 21:40 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1469. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Great awesome news
      & congrats on doing the hexaglyphs just so for both plskua & bggrtr m ... Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
      Feb 20, 2001 @ 21:46 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1470. RE: [BoundaryPoint] florida multipointing schedule
      btw locals here are evidently a lot more scared of how the united states air force might react to any uncontrolled or otherwise irregular reentry than of
      Feb 20, 2001 @ 22:01 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
1471. US/Bahamas/Cuba tripoint
      As depicted in the Miami [aeronautical] sectional chart, the common Air Defense Identification Zones for the US/Bahamas and Cuba don t intersect. At least
      Feb 20, 2001 @ 22:27 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@kua.net>)
1472. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 1,000 feet over glhemaokpa...
      truly awesome bill this must be the cherry on top of the banana split hats off m ... Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
      Feb 20, 2001 @ 16:11 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1473. Alis Translation Solutions.htm
      Alis Translation Solutions
      Feb 21, 2001 @ 04:34 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
1474. RE: [BoundaryPoint] 1,000 feet over glhemaokpa...
      I just wish I could have reported seeing the buoy, Mike! Bill
      Feb 21, 2001 @ 11:44 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
1475. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Alis Translation Solutions.htm
      hi jack it appears the body of this message may have been skyjacked or has otherwise eluded some members can you fill in or elaborate further best m ... Get
      Feb 21, 2001 @ 23:38 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1476. laorospo case closed at last
      bill you were right to make a long story short florida statutes chapter 177 section 031 paragraphs 13 & 15 & other laws i have been reading lately make it
      Feb 21, 2001 @ 23:56 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1477. Re: [BoundaryPoint] disappearing messages
      dear m a r t i n glad to report unlike the camping & loitering police of late the punctuation police have again narrowly escaped me for as a try pointer i do
      Feb 21, 2001 @ 16:22 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1478. RE: [BoundaryPoint] laorospo case closed at last
      That s great news Mike! If that s the case, can we generally assume that all Florida quad (and tri, I suppose) points are marked similarly? Do you think
      Feb 21, 2001 @ 19:05 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
1479. Border Joke
      The Michaels family owned a small farm in Canada, just yards away from the North Dakota border. For generations, their land had been the subject of a minor
      Feb 22, 2001 @ 00:12 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
1480. Re: Great awesome news
      Thanks for welcoming me. Let me explain about the plskua tripoint (see, I already know the notation). It is, indeed, the third picture from the left, bottom
      Feb 22, 2001 @ 08:30 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1481. Ile de la Conférence
      At http://www.multimania.com/nivelle/ile.html , as you already know, there is a picture of the Franco-Spanish condominium Ile de la Conférence. This tiny
      Feb 22, 2001 @ 13:10 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@and.com>)
1482. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Ile de la Conférence
      another very nice one peter the photo in the link & the published map give reason to expect a pair of condominial tripoints at the ends of the island namely fr
      Feb 22, 2001 @ 15:45 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1483. RE: [BoundaryPoint] laorospo case closed at last
      yes all the many multipoints defined by section corner ought to conform to this legal standard but i think all the others not defined in such a way including
      Feb 22, 2001 @ 16:02 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1484. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Ile de la Conférence
      What I wanted to say was that there is some confusion about the name of the island. Ile de la Conférence is the small one, Ile des Faisans the big one that
      Feb 22, 2001 @ 16:05 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
1485. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Ile de la Conférence
      Hello Peter Thanks for all your contribution, but I am very interested where you are based etc. Would you in any case be interested in GCEBE2001? Jesper ...
      Feb 22, 2001 @ 17:21 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1486. RE: [BoundaryPoint] laorospo case closed at last
      OK thanks Mike...please keep me posted if you would...I hope we can do hahimapo, but it ll still be there down the road . B ... From: Michael Donner
      Feb 22, 2001 @ 21:04 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
1487. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Ile de la Conférence
      According to the BBC documentary series frontiers , both the book and TV series, the islands (Conference) is administered for 6months by each country, which
      Feb 22, 2001 @ 23:15 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1488. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Ile de la Conférence
      ... The problem was which country was going to take people to court that commit an offense on the island. The following information is entirely based on the
      Feb 23, 2001 @ 08:24 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
1489. RE: [BoundaryPoint] laorospo case closed at last with ps to peter s
      okeechobee city okee dokee bill we spent last evening & night by the port mayaca lock & the lake was a sheet of glass had we embarked then the whole round trip
      Feb 23, 2001 @ 15:41 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1490. a good day in the field
      crystal river first multi apologies about the multi aberrated data i have been posting lately it must be my new prescription & i will try to clear everything
      Feb 24, 2001 @ 18:46 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1491. RE: [BoundaryPoint] a good day in the field
      Mike, it sounds like your day was busier than mine...congratulations on your discoveries and research anyway. Yes, I m not surprised at the conditions you
      Feb 24, 2001 @ 20:11 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
1492. BBC's Frontiers
      This book / video is very hard to hold of. Do anybody know how to get it? Jesper
      Feb 24, 2001 @ 22:00 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1493. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BBC's Frontiers
      A quick search on www.bibliofind.com using title = frontiers and other words = BBC brings up a number of copies from US$6 to US$20. Brendan ...
      Feb 25, 2001 @ 05:09 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1494. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BBC's Frontiers
      There is a copy at IBRU, Durham. Else check online secondhand bookshops. Brendan ... _________________________________________________________________________
      Feb 25, 2001 @ 05:07 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1495. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BBC's Frontiers
      And the video? Jesper ... From: Brendan Whyte To: Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 6:09 AM Subject: Re:
      Feb 25, 2001 @ 18:38 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1496. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BBC's Frontiers
      Video probably available fomr BBC shops in UK??? May be in public library or universityl ibraries for rent/loan. I am not aware of online 2ndhand video
      Feb 26, 2001 @ 01:09 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1497. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BBC's Frontiers
      I have the book. I did a web search using used/rare book search engines and located a used copy in a small Ontario, Canada town. I sent them $15, and lo and
      Feb 25, 2001 @ 00:34 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
1498. RE: [BoundaryPoint] a good day in the field
      thanx bill to be continued next trip of course or sooner also i was hoping we could lay your gps & a metal detector on the alflga tri state point this time as
      Feb 26, 2001 @ 15:28 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1499. Re: [BoundaryPoint] boundary-tripoints in europe
      Hello Gartner What is the name of the island on LUX-GER-FRA border? Staus??? Apach Jesper ... From: Gartner Wolfgang To:
      Feb 26, 2001 @ 22:26 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1500. hypothetical situation
      Does anyone know of any place in the world where a political boundary exactly follows a contour line for a substantial distance (excluding shorelines of
      Feb 27, 2001 @ 03:00 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
1501. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BBC's Frontiers
      what is the meaning of this pal also are these books & videos expressly about boundaries if so is there any coverage of tripoints any connection with your own
      Feb 26, 2001 @ 23:03 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1502. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BBC's Frontiers
      Michael: PAL as in format. Its NTSC (never twice the same colour) in North America, PAL (Perfect at Last -or- Picture Always Lousy) and SECAM (System
      Feb 27, 2001 @ 04:44 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
1503. Re: [BoundaryPoint] hypothetical situation
      I am not sure if any exists right now, but I read about two cases where the boundary followed a lake-level at a certain time which happened to become contour
      Feb 27, 2001 @ 06:34 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
1504. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BBC's Frontiers
      PAL is the non-US tv system. NTSC is what you Yanks use, which used to be a haslsle, but now most videos will accept and play both coherently. No tripoint
      Feb 27, 2001 @ 09:59 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1505. Re: [BoundaryPoint] hypothetical situation
      Southwest National Park in Tas., and possibly others in Australia follow contours 50m above lake levels. I THINK Cradle Mtn national park might too. How about
      Feb 27, 2001 @ 09:44 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1506. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BBC's Frontiers
      thanxX doug & brendan the loony for you doug will come by usmails regular camel etc & in that case i must express brendan at least a toony for delivering so
      Feb 27, 2001 @ 18:04 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1507. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BBC's Frontiers
      You are correct with the currency tidbits. But, Canada has also introduced a new $10 bill. It is very European (Dutch) and purple (as it was). A new 5 is to
      Feb 27, 2001 @ 18:42 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
1508. Re: [BoundaryPoint] hypothetical situation
      arif that marion taylor boundary cross situation sounded interesting enough to consider investigating on my way thru georgia this week so i just checked that
      Feb 27, 2001 @ 19:05 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1509. Re: [BoundaryPoint] boundary-tripoints in europe
      Hello everyone! As I remeber: Apach is in FRA; Schengen is in LUX and Perl is in GER. I can t help you further with the name of the island. Enclosed is a
      Feb 27, 2001 @ 19:58 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <h.ten.veen@tref.nl>)
1510. Re: [BoundaryPoint] hypothetical situation
      Mike The Taylor-Marion boundary cross I thought of exists, only it was my mistake on the fact that the cross does not involve Marion County at all. I found
      Feb 27, 2001 @ 23:38 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
1511. Re: [BoundaryPoint] hypothetical situation
      For Brooks/Lowndes fragment, go to: http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=17&n=3391550&e=277175&s=50
      Feb 28, 2001 @ 00:20 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1512. Re: [BoundaryPoint] hypothetical situation
      ... Many boundaries follow drainage divides or watershed boundaries. the possibility that a contour would form part of a divide is vanishingly small. David
      Feb 28, 2001 @ 00:23 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
1513. maps within maps
      Look at the lake in the centre of this map of Geelong, Vic, Australia. What do you notice? Anyone know of any other examples of maps within maps? Brendan
      Feb 28, 2001 @ 00:30 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
1514. Re: [BoundaryPoint] hypothetical situation
      David, I never meant to sound like saying that continental divide is a contour line. I just thought it was interesting as a boundary line. There are many
      Feb 28, 2001 @ 00:36 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
1515. DELU your Message No. 1499
      I take a look to the special-border maps (scaled 1:5000). The islands in river Sauer and Our are completly unnamed. Mostly in documents from 1818 they are
      Feb 28, 2001 @ 12:03 - Gartner Wolfgang (Gartner Wolfgang <WGartner@...>)
1516. Re: [BoundaryPoint] hypothetical situation
      For Baldwin/Hancock, Ga fragment, go to: http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=17&n=3672657&e=293685 You d think someone would rejig the boundary, eh? Brendan
      Feb 28, 2001 @ 00:24 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1517. Re: [BoundaryPoint] hypothetical situation
      On http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=17&n=3672657&e=293685, I cannot see what is being refered to as a fragment or a jig -- the only line that looks like a
      Feb 28, 2001 @ 13:53 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
1518. Re: [BoundaryPoint] hypothetical situation
      that cross alone is so gorgeous to actually see on a map like in the middle of georgia man so now we have jungholz & baarle & maybe bengal with world class
      Feb 28, 2001 @ 18:21 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1519. Re: [BoundaryPoint] hypothetical situation
      The boundary is a straight line, and probably made sense in days of yore. Since the creation of the lake by damming a river, the boundary cuts through the lake
      Feb 28, 2001 @ 22:33 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1520. Re: [BoundaryPoint] hypothetical situation
      In Georgia, I personally am fond of the weird shape of Ware county. I d like to know the history of countyr formation in this area. It is a pene-enclave down
      Feb 27, 2001 @ 23:07 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1521. Re: [BoundaryPoint] hypothetical situation
      Very interesting that you consider a perfectly straight line to be jiggy! I have never understood at all why any of the BoundaryPoint people think it is odd
      Feb 28, 2001 @ 23:27 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
1522. Re: [BoundaryPoint] hypothetical situation
      Just my two cents - the tongues of lands jutting out caused by water boundaries in county levels are interesting, though not as interesting as true enclaves
      Mar 01, 2001 @ 07:18 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
1523. Pagiriai
      Does anybody know if the Pagiriai enclave (a small piece of Lithuania inside Belarus) still exists? I can find it in my (rather old) Soviet atlas, but not on a
      Mar 01, 2001 @ 14:25 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
1524. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Pagiriai
      Hello Peter S., Peter H. calling...: concerning this Lithuanian exclave: I just checked my (Hungarian) road map on the Baltic states, scale 1:850.000, bought
      Mar 01, 2001 @ 14:38 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
1525. delaware tongues
      very neat analysis of this intriguing esthetic nuance arif having visited both the delaware tongues i can tell you the upper one at killcohook was created by
      Mar 01, 2001 @ 14:48 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1526. Re: [BoundaryPoint] hypothetical situation
      another nice esthetic analysis david i believe i agree with you & arif & brendan here in feeling it is the oddity that jacks the interest level rather than
      Mar 01, 2001 @ 15:21 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1527. Re: [BoundaryPoint] maps within maps
      that one is a beauty on many levels mate indeed i hope we can find it some mates m ... _________________________________________________________________ Get
      Feb 28, 2001 @ 18:02 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1528. Pagiriai and San'kovo-Medvezh'e
      After a more thorough search on the internet, I have come up with an article in the Belorussian newspaper Vecherniy Minsk, which appeared in 1996 (I couldn t
      Mar 02, 2001 @ 08:59 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@and.com>)
1529. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Pagiriai and San'kovo-Medvezh'e
      Thanks Peter for your valuable info on the enclaves. This is the first time I ve heard the name of the Russian one. Thanks for the translation as well. Rolf
      Mar 02, 2001 @ 09:17 - rpalmber@abo.fi (rpalmber@...)
1530. Sokh, Vorukh, and others
      There are three enclaves in Kyrgyzstan that I know of by name: Sokh, Shakhimardan (both Uzbek), and Vorukh (Tadzhik). On some maps I can find another enclave
      Mar 02, 2001 @ 11:56 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
1531. new kind of hat trick
      dublin georgia with timely assists from brendan & arif & david comprehensive visits were made yesterday at the brooks county georgia exclave & at the plains
      Mar 03, 2001 @ 02:36 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
1532. Re: [BoundaryPoint] maps within maps
      Where is the woulds largest map? In Denmark of course: http://www.visitverdenskortet.dk/ Jesper ... From: Michael Donner To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
      Mar 02, 2001 @ 20:05 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1533. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Sokh, Vorukh, and others
      There are 7 enclaves in Central asia: 4 Uzbek in Kirgizia: Sokh and shakimardan are the two big ones, and each has a very small one between it and the Uzbek
      Mar 03, 2001 @ 00:45 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1534. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Sokh, Vorukh, and others
      ... No, as in my previous post, there are 7 total, 6 in Kyrgizia (4 Uzbeki and 2 Tajiki) and 1 Tajiki in Uzbek. The article makes this clear too. ... This is
      Mar 03, 2001 @ 01:28 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1535. Ada Island
      Can anybody help to locate this island? http://store.corbis.com/search/about_pic.asp?navid=decorate/prints&imageid=10783847&alphaimageid= Jesper
      Mar 04, 2001 @ 22:11 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1536. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Ada Island
      It may be Croatia, but i doubt it s Albania. Croatia borders SloveniaBosnia and Montenegro along the coast, and Serbia, and hungary inland. It doesn t look
      Mar 04, 2001 @ 23:03 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1537. Re: [BoundaryPoint] maps within maps
      Sometimes those semi-porn sites I trawl give me more than I expect! This site about nudist beaches in Yugoslavia has a photo of 2 chaps and canoes near the
      Mar 04, 2001 @ 23:10 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1538. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Sokh, Vorukh, and others
      Thank you Brendan for the clarification. ... You are quite right. I should have read it with more attention. ... Wouldn t be the first example of a prime
      Mar 05, 2001 @ 08:08 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@and.com>)
1539. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Ada Island
      Certainly not Albania-Croatia...! (there is no such border...!?!) My best guess is Croatia(the sign is - most probably - in Croatian!)-Montenegro
      Mar 05, 2001 @ 08:15 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
1540. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Sokh, Vorukh, and others
      That s the boys! got em all. Soviet maps from late 50s show Sokh was still connected to the rest of Uzbekistan. It seems to have been the last to be created,
      Mar 05, 2001 @ 09:10 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1541. schley taylor georgia boundary cross & clave
      well the amphibious unit actually splashed down in a swamp on saturday in south carolina thus delaying our return home somewhat but no matter for here are the
      Mar 05, 2001 @ 15:58 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1542. Re: [BoundaryPoint] schley taylor georgia boundary cross & clave
      Mike, Thank you for your exhaustive report on the recently found boundary cross. By any chance, did you check the Tiger Census maps of Taylor county to notice
      Mar 05, 2001 @ 17:35 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
1543. Re: [BoundaryPoint] schley taylor georgia boundary cross & clave
      ahhh not yet that promises some even more interesting research & search & discovery especially as the usual authorities differ m
      Mar 05, 2001 @ 19:23 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1544. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Ada Island
      Ada found
      Mar 05, 2001 @ 20:46 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1545. brooks county georgia exclave
      this is the one also recently pointed out & mapped in by brendan in http://www.egroups.com/message/boundarypoint/1520 so how could i just drive right by &
      Mar 05, 2001 @ 21:32 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1546. Re: [BoundaryPoint] brooks county georgia exclave
      correction that was the more easterly ellicott florida line not his 31st parallel line farther west m this is the one also recently pointed out & mapped
      Mar 05, 2001 @ 21:46 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1547. Re: [BoundaryPoint] schley taylor georgia boundary cross & clave
      IN terms of nomenclature, while in Tasmania recently, I noticed old French maps didn t call the Tasman peninsula in SE Tas a peninsula, but rather a
      Mar 05, 2001 @ 23:10 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1548. Re: Ada Island
      Ada is a deltaic island of about 4 km sq at the extreme south end of the Croatian coast. I believe it was once a swimming beach, and may still be. Its name
      Mar 06, 2001 @ 01:21 - Josh Calder (Josh Calder <jcalder@...>)
1549. Ada correction
      I wasn t paying enough attention -- Ada Island is at the extreme south end of the Montenegrin coast, so the proper caption should be Yugoslav - Albanian
      Mar 06, 2001 @ 01:36 - Josh Calder (Josh Calder <jcalder@...>)
1550. plains georgia circle boundary & others
      having slept thurs nite in a peanut field just east of plains we reached the boundary of this possibly most famous little circular city a veritable jimmy
      Mar 06, 2001 @ 02:09 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1551. Re: [BoundaryPoint] schley taylor georgia boundary cross & clave
      ok arif i have finally located on the tiger server a long horizontal shape & a stepstair shape directly below it both of them along the river border at
      Mar 06, 2001 @ 02:25 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1552. Re: [BoundaryPoint] schley taylor georgia boundary cross & clave
      I think this must be error in the Tiger map server. Have a look at the scanned USGS Reynold s quad on
      Mar 06, 2001 @ 03:27 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
1553. Baarle-enclaves : interesting pictures
      Appetizer for de GCEBE-ers: on http://kartoweb.itc.nl/kt/kt-online/nr4_text.htm you will see near the end of this page two pictures taken in Baarle-Nassau. One
      Mar 06, 2001 @ 06:00 - Eef Berns ("Eef Berns" <eefberns@...>)
1554. Bidasoa-Txingudi
      Some pictures of the French-Spanish border at http://www.bidasoa-txingudi.com/ing/pres/pe1.htm The last picture, although it doesn t say it, is the Ile de la
      Mar 06, 2001 @ 13:30 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
1555. Bidasoa/Txingudi 2
      Correction: the boundary is not a municipal one. I don t know what it is. Anyway, good maps are available from
      Mar 06, 2001 @ 14:18 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
1556. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Bidasoa-Txingudi
      very interesting as usual peter & it looks like you may have turned up another condominial tripoint or 2 here so i am curious to know when you say much of the
      Mar 06, 2001 @ 20:51 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1557. Myanmar - Thailand
      Is this a Thai-Myanmar border post? Jesper http://www.umphanghill.com/rm1.html
      Mar 06, 2001 @ 20:52 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1558. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Baarle-enclaves : interesting pictures
      succulent morsels indeed eef that map & pic make me want to press on for an extra boundary cross in baarle because i once saw a photo on the internet very
      Mar 06, 2001 @ 21:25 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1559. Re: Myanmar - Thailand
      If it s any border, then it s certainly that one. The resort is very close to that boundary. Just look at http://www.waveconcepts.com/4winds/thai/raft.html .
      Mar 06, 2001 @ 21:19 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1560. Re: Myanmar - Thailand
      Here s your answer: http://www.umphanghill.com/picture2.html The photograph s called Thai-Myanmar . Peter S.
      Mar 06, 2001 @ 21:36 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1561. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Myanmar - Thailand
      It looks remarkably like the freindship bridge and border checks on the Thai-Burmese border a few km west of Mae Sot halfway up the border. I went there in
      Mar 06, 2001 @ 22:50 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1562. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Baarle-enclaves : interesting pictures
      My reply to the original post has been delayed by the email gremlins. There is only one cross, in the middle of a corn field. There are many jigs in the
      Mar 06, 2001 @ 22:59 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1563. Baarle post resent
      The main border in this area was delimited in 1974. To mark the occasion, the conical pillar seen in the photo in front of the church was erected. On one side
      Mar 06, 2001 @ 23:01 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1564. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Baarle-enclaves : interesting pictures
      thanxx for both of these tours de force brendan these map identifications & pix are just the ones requested in
      Mar 07, 2001 @ 00:32 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1565. New international island
      Spending some time yesterday with Peter H and Rolf P (the first border freak meeting in Copenhagen) Rolf told me about an international island between Sweden
      Mar 07, 2001 @ 06:31 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1566. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Baarle-enclaves : interesting pictures
      The main border in this area was delimited in 1974. To mark the occasion, the conical pillar seen in the photo in front of the church was erected. On one side
      Mar 06, 2001 @ 07:30 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1567. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Baarle-enclaves : interesting pictures
      Thanks Eef, very interesting indeed! A true appetizer ! See you in half a year! Peter H. ... From: Eef Berns Date: Tuesday, March 06, 2001
      Mar 07, 2001 @ 11:39 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
1568. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New international island
      There s a political statement if there ever was one! ... The island s name is Märket. As I remember it been told: the lighthouse s toilet is in Finland.
      Mar 07, 2001 @ 11:52 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
1569. Re: Bidasoa-Txingudi
      ... or 2 here ... all levels ... I d say the last one. There is no mentioning anywhere of the seabed. ... condos ... I don t, but I wouldn t be surprised if
      Mar 07, 2001 @ 16:20 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1570. Language "enclaves" in Switzerland
      Hello! You can find a map of languages used in Switzerland at http://www.eye.ch/swissgen/chspra.jpg . This map is interesting, because the map shows three
      Mar 07, 2001 @ 19:01 - Manfred Haertel (Manfred Haertel <Manfred.Haertel@...>)
1571. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bidasoa-Txingudi
      peter this news & your reporting are both absolutely fantastic & your hot pursuit here amply fulfills my fondest wish for our group which has now truly become
      Mar 07, 2001 @ 20:15 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1572. Re: Bidasoa-Txingudi
      For the link: try this one: http://www.doc.diplomatie.fr/BASIS/pacte/webext/bilat/DDW?W% 3DTOUSTI+PH+WORDS+%27Figuier%27+AND+TOUSDATE+%3C+%2701.01.1960%
      Mar 07, 2001 @ 20:41 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1573. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bidasoa-Txingudi
      great thank you again & i will keep working on the treaty text link also neither my french nor eyesight are very good but are you talking about the same st
      Mar 07, 2001 @ 22:20 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1574. Map in a map
      There is a new national museum in Canberra, opening on sunday. TV coverage featured a quick glimpse of a pool outside the museum, that had an irregular edge
      Mar 08, 2001 @ 06:32 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1575. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bidasoa-Txingudi
      ... Yes, they re talking about the same stone here, but I will check with the photograph I made and with other sources, because there seems to be a difference
      Mar 08, 2001 @ 08:41 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
1576. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bidasoa-Txingudi
      Aha! This tourist attraction was shown in the Pyrenees episode of frontiers , the BBC programme. Brendan ...
      Mar 08, 2001 @ 09:00 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1577. The scan of the Baie du Figuier
      ... or at least, that s what I hope. It seems to be a browser problem. Netscape can give troubles viewing this image. If you still experience problems, I ll
      Mar 08, 2001 @ 09:52 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@and.com>)
1578. Baie du Figuier and Bidassoa convention 1959
      The location of the pdf file is : http://www.doc.diplomatie.fr/BASIS/pacte/webext/bilat/DDD/19590092.pdf Peter S.
      Mar 08, 2001 @ 09:57 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
1579. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Language "enclaves" in Switzerland
      Hello, I was happy to find your forum : I had always thought that my fascination for enclaves and boundaries was a mild form of eccentricity better kept
      Mar 08, 2001 @ 15:20 - Alexandre Mauron (Alexandre Mauron <alexandre.mauron@...>)
1580. Re: Language "enclaves" in Switzerland
      Thanks Alex for the information. By the way, I am interested in linguistical borders and enclaves as much as in the international ones. These boundaries are
      Mar 08, 2001 @ 15:42 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1581. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Language "enclaves" in Switzerland
      Sorry! The link should be: http://www.snl.ch/dhs/externe/protect/sprached.html Peter S.
      Mar 08, 2001 @ 15:45 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
1582. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Language "enclaves" in Switzerland
      Thanks, I ll look it up. When I have more time, I will also check one of the political enclaves in the Vaud-Fribourg-Berne areas, a village called Clavaleyres
      Mar 08, 2001 @ 16:14 - Alexandre Mauron (Alexandre Mauron <alexandre.mauron@...>)
1583. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Language "enclaves" in Switzerland (fwd)
      Greetings! ... Besides the interesting topical discussion on language boundaries, the key issue that we are dealing here with, is the one of SCALE. A key
      Mar 08, 2001 @ 16:46 - . s a r a . (". s a r a ." <sara@...>)
1584. Re: Language "enclaves" in Switzerland (fwd)
      Thank you for the info. There are three Germanophone enclaves in the middle of Francophone territory (allbe it very small ones), and this is fascinating news
      Mar 08, 2001 @ 17:40 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1585. Smallest cantonal enclave in Switzerland
      Or at least, that s what it says in http://www.rva.ch/archiv/990721.html . It is the monastery Grimmenstein, which is an enclave of Appenzell-Innerrhoden
      Mar 08, 2001 @ 18:08 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1586. Re: Language "enclaves" in Switzerland (fwd)
      I found some information on the village of Chatelat (in the Dictionnaire Historique de la Suisse, http://www.snl.ch/dhs/externe/protect/textes/fF405.html). It
      Mar 08, 2001 @ 19:20 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1587. Re: Language "enclaves" in Switzerland
      On Clavaleyres: http://www.snl.ch/dhs/externe/protect/textes/fF391.html So Germanophone there. Peter S. ... one of ... called ... Fribourg ... not sure. ...
      Mar 08, 2001 @ 19:29 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1588. summary of frsp condo tripoints
      peter & all what a beautiful mess we have discovered here while also surely reaching a new high water mark in punctological pursuit tho there may still be more
      Mar 08, 2001 @ 19:57 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1589. st martins stone
      peter recently confirmed ... which raises the questions is the older mark technically supplanted & replaced by the newer or are the markers cumulative meaning
      Mar 08, 2001 @ 20:14 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1590. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Map in a map
      that is the wettest dreamscape i ever heard of m & how did the freakin popes line ever make it to australia
      Mar 08, 2001 @ 20:51 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1591. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Smallest cantonal enclave in Switzerland
      Sorry about still not adding Switzerland local enclaves in my web page. The Swiss enclaves are pretty fascinating. Kloster Grimmenstein is the smallest
      Mar 08, 2001 @ 21:02 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
1592. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Map in a map
      Ok, so what I am going to mention are not truly maps witin maps, but I thought it would be interesting nonetheless. In Queens, near the world fair site of
      Mar 08, 2001 @ 21:11 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
1593. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Smallest cantonal enclave in Switzerland
      no reason not to discuss anything that appeals strongly to anyone here we are all equally arrant bounders arent we m actually to be fair we yanks led by arif
      Mar 08, 2001 @ 21:25 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1594. Re: Map in a map
      In a book I have there is a picture of the 2nd map you mention, Arif. It is a truly big map of New York state. The photograph shows a lot of people walking
      Mar 08, 2001 @ 21:21 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1595. Saint Martin Stone
      My memory has played a bit of a trick on me. I have just looked at the slide I made of the St. Martin stone, and it is the very same as that on the picture at
      Mar 08, 2001 @ 22:11 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1596. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Saint Martin Stone
      ... ahh a bit of a trick on me too so i am psyched to see the picture but for now it seems that the stone i have been calling st martins really is number 262
      Mar 09, 2001 @ 01:10 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1597. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Saint Martin Stone
      ... Well, I know of a particularly nice one on the Dutch-Belgian border. Of course this is also doubled by a boundary marker of the standard type, but it is
      Mar 09, 2001 @ 07:46 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
1598. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Saint Martin Stone
      ... Confirmed: I just found a tiny picture of one of the Austrian border stones, with a standard Dutch one in the background. It says here that there are
      Mar 09, 2001 @ 08:05 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
1599. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Saint Martin Stone
      peter what a beauty nice shooting moreover i found 2 margarets of austria & both are even earlier than 18th c one d1611 & the other d1530 & another fascinating
      Mar 09, 2001 @ 11:10 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1600. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bidasoa-Txingudi
      well then were they making a point about the age of the stone or the circumstances of its placement or what if anything else was said about the stone per se m
      Mar 09, 2001 @ 11:11 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1601. Re: Bidasoa-Txingudi
      On this site:http://ecole.wanadoo.fr/baretous.64.louis/lajunte.htm , there is another picture of the stone. The number 262 can be clearly seen. The metal disc
      Mar 09, 2001 @ 11:55 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1602. Austrian boundary stones - Overslag
      Most fascinating to learn that there still exist old boundary stones dating back to empress Maria Theresia (she reigned the Austrian empire 1740-80)in other
      Mar 09, 2001 @ 15:52 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
1603. Re: Austrian boundary stones - Overslag
      In that case... Just a little appetizer: http://www.euronet.nl/users/in005814/webfoto-groot/overslag-gr.jpg This is from my own little web site. It is in
      Mar 09, 2001 @ 17:05 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1604. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Austrian boundary stones - Overslag
      Thanks Peter for the link with the most fascinating picture - it s obvious that one of the horses is Belgian, the other Dutch !!! Any other border pix on your
      Mar 09, 2001 @ 18:08 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
1605. oldest rock candidates
      thanxx to both peters for this very interesting & illuminating sequence if it is a bit of a letdown to see the 1375 oldest stone prospect busted it certainly
      Mar 09, 2001 @ 20:28 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1606. Tp photo AtCzSk + news on GCEBE!
      Hello everybody, great to learn that our group is expanding and so much alive!!! Just received some touristic material from the border town of Hohenau/March
      Mar 09, 2001 @ 20:45 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
1607. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Map in a map
      http://kort.jubii.dk/scripts/map.asp?MAP_IMAGE_WIDTH=500&MAP_IMAGE_HEIGHT=250&MAP_CURRENT_X=9%2C64136188946334&MAP_CURRENT_Y=56%2C5904495265083&MAP_ZOOM_LEVEL=
      Mar 09, 2001 @ 21:43 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1608. Re: Map in a map
      It took a bit of copying and pasting but.. Yes, the northern part seems to have to elect another municipality council than the southern one. Long live world
      Mar 09, 2001 @ 23:24 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1609. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tp photo AtCzSk + news on GCEBE!
      multi gorgeous pete king of kings & be assured i am already drinking to all of this your new tripoint find is so mega idyllic & so just in the direction i
      Mar 10, 2001 @ 00:21 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1610. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Saint Martin Stone
      Belgium was the austrian netherlands from the end of the war of Spanish Succession (c.1713) to the French invasion and conquest in 1792. Brendan ...
      Mar 10, 2001 @ 00:24 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1611. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Saint Martin Stone
      Probably means Maria Theresa of austria? c.1740- Brendan ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free
      Mar 10, 2001 @ 00:26 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1612. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bidasoa-Txingudi
      I don t remember the stone , but the traditional costumes, cattle exchange, and lots of gaudily dressed American tourists wth chewing gum and outrageous
      Mar 10, 2001 @ 00:27 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1613. more old stones
      thanxxx brendan for all these & other recent essential data so the austrian stones upon the benl line may date from as early as 1740 if the supposed margaret
      Mar 10, 2001 @ 02:15 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1614. tri country points actually or virtually visited by us
      this update of message 1259 aka the list of lists especially honors the 2 most recent finds &or reports by both of our wonderful peters with notable assistance
      Mar 10, 2001 @ 03:06 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1615. Re: [BoundaryPoint] source of glhemaokpa almost found
      ... What about the South Pole? David
      Mar 10, 2001 @ 03:09 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
1616. Re: [BoundaryPoint] source of glhemaokpa almost found
      well it is my understanding that the highly conflicted & essentially unreal sexinational hendecapoint arauclfrgbnz did exist there at the south pole until the
      Mar 10, 2001 @ 04:38 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1617. revised summary of frsp condo tripoints
      please overlook my chasing my own tail here for it is all in good fun but i have taken another close look at the seemingly excellent yet disturbingly
      Mar 10, 2001 @ 05:46 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1618. Re: New international island
      ... border freak meeting in Copenhagen) Rolf told me about an international island between Sweden and Aalands Islands (a dependency of Finland). ... Aland
      Mar 10, 2001 @ 16:00 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
1619. another old stone
      http://ecole.nevache.free.fr/PageUniq/frontier.htm looking & feeling like early 18th century at the latest this former intl bdy mon is apparently still
      Mar 10, 2001 @ 16:41 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1620. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Map in a map
      hey would you guys clue some of the rest of us in on this one you look like you are having too much fun here something metaphoric going on i think m
      Mar 10, 2001 @ 16:41 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1621. a north polar candidacy too
      the question of whether the south pole is still a functioning multipoint almost automatically also begs the question of whether the north pole is or has ever
      Mar 10, 2001 @ 19:23 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1622. Re: Map in a map
      According to this map, the biggest tourist attraction of Denmark (apart from Tivoli and Legoland, of course), that is mentioned in msg. 1532 by Jesper, was put
      Mar 10, 2001 @ 20:03 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1623. A former tripoint: chdefr
      When the Alsace was still part of Germany, the tripoint between Switzerland, Germany, and France was near the village of Pfetterhouse (at that time probably
      Mar 10, 2001 @ 20:41 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1624. Re: [BoundaryPoint] A former tripoint: chdefr
      very nice a paleochdefr i think the number of extant ghost tripoint monuments must be rather small since they appear to invite confusion & irredentism it also
      Mar 10, 2001 @ 23:47 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1625. Middle of the World
      There is a great monument, Mitad del Mundo , (Middle of the World), in Ecuador: http://ute.edu.ec/~mjativa/ce/mitadmundo.html Stand with one foot in the
      Mar 11, 2001 @ 01:29 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
1626. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Middle of the World
      very nice & given equatorial realities there is not likely to be a grander such monument anywhere i think i may have passed it once too on a crowded bus
      Mar 11, 2001 @ 02:29 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1627. a 1727 claim
      also apparently not far from the several just mentioned alsatians possibly from somewhere in moselle lorraine comes this bizarre yet still somewhat plausible
      Mar 11, 2001 @ 02:30 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1628. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Middle of the World
      ... But they are all out in the deep ocean. Greenwich itself has I guess a similar status to Mitad del Mundo-- special on one coordinate but not on the other.
      Mar 11, 2001 @ 02:36 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
1629. oldest working rock in the usa probably 1731
      http://www.angelfire.com/md2/polystate3/index4.html shows what is almost undoubtedly the original ctmany tricolonial monument referred to on pp 70 & 73 of
      Mar 11, 2001 @ 04:38 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1630. Re: [BoundaryPoint] oldest working rock in the usa probably 1731
      Mike, doesn t that black dot on the top of the old ctmany monument resemble the infamous laorospo blue dot? Bill ... From: michael donner
      Mar 11, 2001 @ 04:34 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
1631. Re: [BoundaryPoint] oldest working rock in the usa probably 1731
      ... hahaha well i dont know laorospo was orange by the time i got there but there is a possibility of a center dimple here the old rocks are just so rough hewn
      Mar 11, 2001 @ 05:43 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1632. Re: [BoundaryPoint] oldest working rock in the usa probably 1731
      So were we! B
      Mar 11, 2001 @ 05:38 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
1633. Links
      hello, some (hopefully) interesting surf tips: The Dutch Borderland museum in Dinxperlo, Holland has a nice site on the web at http://www.grenslandmuseum.nl
      Mar 11, 2001 @ 06:19 - kahbeh@hotmail.com (kahbeh@...)
1634. Re: A former tripoint: chdefr
      The other Alsatian rock is on the border of Alsace and Lorraine. Since for the last century and a half these two lands always went together in traveling back &
      Mar 11, 2001 @ 12:21 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1635. Re: a 1727 claim
      No int. boundary marker, since it s in between Alsace and Lorraine once more, it s French territory all around nowadays. Still on the departemental border,
      Mar 11, 2001 @ 12:35 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1636. Re: Links
      A very nice Dutch site. Although I m Dutch, it is new to me.... It says here that in Dinxperlo there is still a boundary stone from 1766 there. It was part of
      Mar 11, 2001 @ 12:54 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1637. south pole
      Chile includes part of Antarctica according to Chile: http://www.meteochile.cl/pronostico.html
      Mar 11, 2001 @ 14:39 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
1638. Largest enclave
      Which is the largest enclave in relations to the main area? How about Equatorial Guninea? http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ek.html If the
      Mar 11, 2001 @ 15:48 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1639. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Largest enclave
      you feast us on some delicious & mind altering questions here jesper for first in the case of equatorial guinea tho far separated by the bight of biafra the 2
      Mar 11, 2001 @ 18:46 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1640. Re: [BoundaryPoint] south pole
      & oz even more emphatically includes part of antarctica according to oz per the govt site brendan has already provided & perhaps likewise some of the other
      Mar 11, 2001 @ 19:03 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1641. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: a 1727 claim
      valuable new data here peter in questing for the oldstone anything resembling a menhir gets all my attention since it is so likely to be mentioned in the
      Mar 11, 2001 @ 19:19 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1642. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: A former tripoint: chdefr
      i love anachronistic grotesqueries like atderu but this is delightful news also about my own favorite candidate for rock of ages for you have confirmed what i
      Mar 11, 2001 @ 19:36 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1643. Old tp AtGeRu near Myslowice/PL
      Thanks for the interesting link, Peter S. ! Although the picture is a bit unclear, it gives an overall impression of this old tri- point - Trójkatem Trzech
      Mar 11, 2001 @ 19:30 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
1644. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Old tp AtGeRu near Myslowice/PL
      your multi imperial point is made in large by http://dalmatia.net/belmonte/20th_century/a1914eu.gif a page from an online historical atlas with index at
      Mar 11, 2001 @ 21:07 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1645. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Largest enclave
      & another question i believe you have asked here jesper but you may or may not actually have meant could be the richest one of all namely which enclave i s
      Mar 11, 2001 @ 23:10 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1646. equators and such
      The main N-S highway in Sumatra also has the line painted on it and a small arch over the road. Tourist buses stop there for photos, but no major monument. The
      Mar 11, 2001 @ 23:21 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1647. Re: [BoundaryPoint] south pole
      At one point Argentina moved int s capital to Antarctica to shore up its claim. Symbolic only. I don t think the MPs wanted to leave their cozy B.Aries
      Mar 11, 2001 @ 23:23 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1648. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Largest enclave
      No. Enclaves have to be totally surrounded by one other entity. Eq.G. s mainland is coastal and borders two other countries on land. However, it is an
      Mar 11, 2001 @ 23:26 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1649. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Largest enclave
      Lesotho is not an enclave either. An enclave must be PART of a larger entity. It is an ENCLAVED STATE, which differes from an ENCLAVE, as is made clear by
      Mar 11, 2001 @ 23:34 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1650. museum map
      Here is an image of the mapping dreamscape at the new Canberra museum. Photo from The Age, Sat 10/3/01, p13. North is pointing to the lower left of the
      Mar 12, 2001 @ 00:12 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <b.whyte@pgrad.unimelb.edu.au>)
1651. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Largest enclave
      ... Brendan, you have no authority to say this!! Neither does Catalud. I can state that Lesotho definitely IS an enclave, and Michael just said that, so now it
      Mar 12, 2001 @ 00:22 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
1652. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Quadripoints in Baarle
      I bet that no international boundaries in an around the Baarles have changed in the last few hundred years. Differences between maps will be due to error in
      Mar 12, 2001 @ 00:52 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
1653. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Middle of the World
      The main N-S highway in Sumatra also has the line painted on it and a small arch over the road. Tourist buses stop there for photos, but no major monument. The
      Mar 11, 2001 @ 02:09 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1654. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Quadripoints in Baarle
      wowwoooo i would like more light in this area too especially the quadripointing implications because i believe i recall brendan mentioning a rather recent new
      Mar 12, 2001 @ 01:51 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1655. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Quadripoints in Baarle
      As stated previously, there is only ONE quadripoint in Baarle, as evidenced by the Treaty of 1995 which finally determined the boundaries of the enclaves, and
      Mar 12, 2001 @ 03:06 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1656. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Largest enclave
      i have a map by prescott that shows the 2 apparent fragments of equatorial guinea to be connected by maritime territory & thus not to really be fragments at
      Mar 12, 2001 @ 05:11 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1657. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Largest enclave
      I think the martimie terr is an EEZ, and not territorial sea. Which means a foreign naval presence can move through it. But the point of rragments is that they
      Mar 12, 2001 @ 05:25 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1658. Re: [BoundaryPoint] south pole
      of course it wouldnt matter if they really did move their capital to antarctica legally they just wouldnt have it in their country any more the worlds first
      Mar 12, 2001 @ 06:28 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1659. Re: [BoundaryPoint] museum map
      looks fantastic i wonder if they deliberately made it from an east timorese point of view also how did they deliver on the popes line promise like did it have
      Mar 12, 2001 @ 06:53 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1660. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Largest enclave
      this is good stuff brendan & the distinctions are useful are you saying then that you think equatorial guinea does have an exclave as the question was about
      Mar 12, 2001 @ 07:07 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1661. Re: [BoundaryPoint] south pole
      On the subjects of entities having their capital outside of the territory: Chandigarh in India is a union territory, but also (or really: for reason of being)
      Mar 12, 2001 @ 08:01 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
1662. Message 1636 of 1659 From: peter.smaardijk@a... Date: Sun Mar 11, 2001 12:54pm
      Subj. Dinxperlo Grenslandmuseum. They should have left these stones alone, all the more because in 1963 the pre-1949 situation was restored. Anyway, there s
      Mar 12, 2001 @ 10:42 - Gartner Wolfgang (Gartner Wolfgang <WGartner@...>)
1663. Mystery conc. Tp AtCzSk!
      Hello everybody, conc. this Tp AtCzSk there s a mystery to be solved: 1- my touristic map of Hohenau/March, scale 1:10.000 indicates the proper con- fluence of
      Mar 12, 2001 @ 12:06 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
1664. Re: Mystery conc. Tp AtCzSk!
      Well, in 1993 there was at least talk of shifting the boundary towards the already shifted river, according to
      Mar 12, 2001 @ 12:26 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1665. Re: Mystery conc. Tp AtCzSk!
      The regulation of the Morava river bed WAS followed by a boundary change, according to http://www.cuni.cz/carolina/archive-en/Carolina-E-No-102.txt.en (2nd
      Mar 12, 2001 @ 13:43 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1666. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Mystery conc. Tp AtCzSk!
      Thank you so much, Peter - for your instant reply and findings !!! Good work - btw: why don t you attend our boundary freak meeting in your own part of Baarle:
      Mar 12, 2001 @ 14:00 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
1667. Re: Old tp AtGeRu near Myslowice/PL
      Another, still unclear, picture of the situation in the 19th century (an old postcard) can be found here: http://www.most.org.pl/ok/minireze.html Quite a lot
      Mar 12, 2001 @ 15:08 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1668. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Mystery conc. Tp AtCzSk!
      bravos pedros for the superfine pointing at this great distance gcebe lives now in addition there may still remain an infinitesimally delicate question about
      Mar 12, 2001 @ 16:55 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1669. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Old tp AtGeRu near Myslowice/PL
      wow did i see a mystic triangulation with preternatural atmosphera iasu there or does my reading lack polish m
      Mar 12, 2001 @ 17:14 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1670. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Message 1636 of 1659 From: peter.smaardijk@a... Date: Sun Mar 11, 2001 12:54pm
      extreme thanx & congrats wolfgang & gartner as you guys seem to be talking here about the oldest known major working rock in europe & possibly in the entire
      Mar 12, 2001 @ 17:53 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1671. Re: Old tp AtGeRu near Myslowice/PL
      At first I thought it was my English, but when I had another look at the website I must conclude that it s definitely your Polish... After the picture they go
      Mar 12, 2001 @ 17:47 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1672. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Quadripoints in Baarle
      good brendan i didnt mean to provoke all that reassembly but it was quite valuable my only lingering question really was whether any former boundary crosses
      Mar 12, 2001 @ 18:31 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1673. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Old tp AtGeRu near Myslowice/PL
      ahahahaha you put a lot of good english on that one peter m
      Mar 12, 2001 @ 19:04 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1674. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Largest enclave
      in norman nicholson 1979 the boundaries of the canadian confederation i just saw the 1959 intl conf on the law of the sea gave all coastal countries exclusive
      Mar 12, 2001 @ 22:50 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1675. Re: [BoundaryPoint] museum map
      There wasn t a pope s line this end of the world, only in the atlantic, so i m not sure how that fits in. I hope to have more deatils when i can get a
      Mar 12, 2001 @ 22:42 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1676. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Largest enclave
      No. No claves, ex or en. The mainland bit i would call a fragment of the island, as the island has the larger population and more importantly the capital. The
      Mar 12, 2001 @ 22:50 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1677. Re: [BoundaryPoint] south pole
      The capital of Bechuanaland was Mafeking outside of that colony and inside S.Africa. When it became independent as Botswana, they had to rapidly construct a
      Mar 12, 2001 @ 22:55 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1678. Re: Largest enclave
      Martin, Why is it so important that the exclave is surrounded by only one other unit? In other words, why can t the municipality of Voeren in Belgium be an
      Mar 12, 2001 @ 23:00 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1679. Re: Largest enclave
      Oops... I meant Brendan of course. Sorry Peter S. ... the ... unit.
      Mar 12, 2001 @ 23:02 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1680. Re: south pole
      I know the (uninhabited) island of Clipperton falls under the French governor of French Polynesia, and the Scattered islands (in between Madagascar and
      Mar 12, 2001 @ 23:06 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1681. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Largest enclave
      Take the examples of Azerbaijan which has true enclaves in Armenia, as well as the larger FRAGMENT of Nakhichevan between Armenia., Turkey and Iran. An enclave
      Mar 12, 2001 @ 23:57 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1682. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Largest enclave
      ... Mont St. Michel is *****NOT***** disconnected from France at high tide, and was not disconnected from France even before the causeway was built, because
      Mar 13, 2001 @ 00:31 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
1683. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Largest enclave
      ... Ok, bad example. Use Lindisfarne instead: no causeway. But you get the point, there is a continuum of discontinuity from islands near the shore, all the
      Mar 13, 2001 @ 01:14 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1684. Baarle
      Ok, you asked for it. Here are two maps of Baarle village, one with roads, one without. Of the 30 enclaves, H1 to H22 are Belgian, N1 to N8 Dutch. The village
      Mar 13, 2001 @ 02:01 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
1685. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Baarle
      ... indeed we did ask & ask again because you promised it in message 1201 in the midst of the most intense sequence of sustained collective try pointing
      Mar 13, 2001 @ 03:08 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1686. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Largest enclave
      thank you brendan also for this partial concession to my ordinary pedestrian usage of the clave words but neither my dogeared american heritage dictionary nor
      Mar 13, 2001 @ 03:10 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1687. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Largest enclave
      thats ok i am sure we would all love to hear from martin on this or any other topic & i too should have meant peter & wolfgang when i actually said gartner a
      Mar 13, 2001 @ 03:51 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1688. Re: [BoundaryPoint] south pole
      my 1997 almanac says biot is or are uninhabited so there are probably no governors there ditto for all the former falkland island dependencies btw m
      Mar 13, 2001 @ 04:00 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1689. Baarle photos
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      Mar 13, 2001 @ 04:05 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
1690. baarle photos description
      I sent the photos and description earlier today, but sometimes my posts have never turnedup. Apologies if the original one comes through later... 5 photos have
      Mar 13, 2001 @ 04:32 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1691. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Baarle photos
      there it is folks the humble marker in the corn field one of the 2 or 3 most distinctive boundary points on the planet & the culmination of a magnificent
      Mar 13, 2001 @ 04:49 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1692. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Baarle photos
      ... iT S A HEAVY LOOKING PIECE OF PIPE from memory. Just osmething someone stuck into the ground so that when the combine goes through the corner is visible.
      Mar 13, 2001 @ 04:53 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1693. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Baarle photos
      neat so the marker is likely to have been just a very diligent guess by somebody & the quadripoint position itself may still actually be subject to an even
      Mar 13, 2001 @ 05:18 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1694. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Largest enclave
      ... My understanding of -claves runs along the same lines. Just to add to the discussion - and I m open for arguments to the contrary: I think there are three
      Mar 13, 2001 @ 07:48 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
1695. Re: [BoundaryPoint] south pole
      ... Diego Garcia is formally a part of BIOT. It is a joint British-US Navy support facility. There are normally about 1700 British and US military personnel
      Mar 13, 2001 @ 08:12 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
1696. Re: museum map
      Are you sure there wasn t a pope s line in Australia? As far as I know, according to the Tordesillas treaty a line was drawn somewhere near 50 deg. west long.
      Mar 13, 2001 @ 08:31 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1697. maritime sovereignty and jurisdiction
      There seems to be some confusion among members of the group concerning the nature and extent of state sovereignty and jurisdiction offshore. I hope the
      Mar 13, 2001 @ 09:59 - m.a.pratt@durham.ac.uk (m.a.pratt@...)
1698. DENL pictures from Dinxpeerlo
      
      Mar 13, 2001 @ 10:15 - Gartner Wolfgang (Gartner Wolfgang <WGartner@kliem.de>)
1699. DENL pictures from Dinxpeerlo
      Part two with picture 11-26
      Mar 13, 2001 @ 10:16 - Gartner Wolfgang (Gartner Wolfgang <WGartner@kliem.de>)
1700. Re: DENL pictures from Dinxpeerlo
      Thanks Wolfgang, These pictures are truly gorgeous! It does mean, I presume, that more than one is left then? Or possibly the Dutch removed all but one from
      Mar 13, 2001 @ 10:22 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1701. Re: [BoundaryPoint] DENL pictures from Dinxpeerlo
      Just to know which side s what: The Gueldrian coat-of-arms: http://www.bng.nl/ngw/g/gelderla.htm The Muenster coat-of-arms:
      Mar 13, 2001 @ 10:28 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
1702. Re: baarle photos description
      ... manager had agreed.
      Mar 13, 2001 @ 12:14 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
1703. Old tp atderu/Ile de la Conference/qp bedenl+Moresnet
      A very nice site about the old tp atderu: http://www.zollgeschichte.de/monatskarten/11_98.htm To continue: click on Dreikaiserreichsecke. Lots of old
      Mar 13, 2001 @ 14:55 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
1704. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Largest enclave
      thanxx to peter & especially to martin for the further clave & sovereignty elucidations & i am glad to learn equatorial guinea is truly exclavic nicholsons
      Mar 13, 2001 @ 15:10 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1705. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Largest enclave
      another couple of refinements here for another couple of fascinating lists those of the topologically equivalent exclave bedfellows please add french guiana &
      Mar 13, 2001 @ 15:15 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1706. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Largest enclave
      ... I wonder if you can call Eq. Guinea exclavic. Is the island completely detached from the continental part? I would say not, because in order to go from the
      Mar 13, 2001 @ 15:10 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
1707. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Largest enclave
      ... Jungholz meets one part of the definition ( 100% surrounded by another unit ) but not the other ( separated from that unit ). I do not at all like the
      Mar 13, 2001 @ 15:08 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
1708. National Post Story
      Dear BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Your friend dmurray@stockphotosonline.com thought you might be interested in this National Post story: Newfoundland, Nova
      Mar 13, 2001 @ 16:32 - dmurray@franticfilms.com (<dmurray@...>)
1709. Story in the St. John's, NF Telegram
      Nova Scotia comes out swinging 3/13/01 By Stephen Bornais Special to The Telegram-Fredericton Nova Scotia says it is going for a first round knockout in its
      Mar 13, 2001 @ 16:47 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
1710. Re: [BoundaryPoint] National Post Story
      And one more, from the Halifax, NS http://www.herald.ns.ca/cgi-bin/home/loadmain?2001/03/13+226.raw Doug
      Mar 13, 2001 @ 16:52 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
1711. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Largest enclave
      whole hearted agreement here peter & i was especially glad to see your recognition of every mans land while now that we definitely have a lady present i
      Mar 13, 2001 @ 17:39 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1712. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: museum map
      brilliant this must be the explanation m
      Mar 13, 2001 @ 17:40 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1713. Re: [BoundaryPoint] maritime sovereignty and jurisdiction
      would st pierre & miquelon meet the strict definition you mention below m i mean while we are out here between nova scotia & newfoundland with doug
      Mar 13, 2001 @ 17:47 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1714. Re: [BoundaryPoint] DENL pictures from Dinxpeerlo
      utterly staggering rocks gartner the dated examples from 1766 & yikes even 1753 in pix 8 & 9 are the oldest i have ever seen dated unless you can confirm that
      Mar 13, 2001 @ 18:01 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1715. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Old tp atderu/Ile de la Conference/qp bedenl+Moresnet
      the ghost multi imperial point makes an even stronger impression on me when i realize that not only all 3 empires but indeed all 3 of their successor
      Mar 13, 2001 @ 18:12 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1716. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Largest enclave
      yes i agree & i see you have also anticipated my hole card point here too the overseas classes both the insular & the continental of so called claves dont at
      Mar 13, 2001 @ 18:22 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1717. Re: [BoundaryPoint] DENL pictures from Dinxpeerlo
      another question might be whether the word renovatum in pix 8 & 9 means the monument itself was a 1753 renewal & replacement of an earlier monument or means
      Mar 13, 2001 @ 19:36 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1718. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: baarle photos description
      As Denmark is joining Schengen is a few weeks, one issue has come up: You must bring a medicine certificate as you cross to another Schengen country. The
      Mar 13, 2001 @ 20:35 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1719. Re: Old tp atderu/Ile de la Conference/qp bedenl+Moresnet
      Ile de la Conference: you re looking eastwards. So the point towards you is the westernmost point (frfreses[number]). Still, it being at the meeting point of
      Mar 13, 2001 @ 22:19 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1720. Re: Largest enclave
      In short: claves should always be surrounded by dry land. We might expand this notion, and include territorial waters as well (inland waters (like rivers) are
      Mar 13, 2001 @ 22:36 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1721. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: museum map
      No, until Magellan no one knew the world was round, so couldn t draw a line on the other side. Remember longitude was a damn difficult thing to calculate for
      Mar 13, 2001 @ 22:38 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1722. Pope Line/ Oz tps
      No, until Magellan no one knew the world was round, so couldn t draw a line on the other side. Remember longitude was a damn difficult thing to calculate for
      Mar 13, 2001 @ 22:38 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1723. Re: [BoundaryPoint] maritime sovereignty and jurisdiction
      ... Thanks Martin. Enclaves are most useful when considered for areas of equal/similar sovereignty, ie EITHER internal units OR nations, OR EEZs/Highseas, etc.
      Mar 13, 2001 @ 22:47 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1724. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: baarle photos description
      you will have to buy my thesis when it is finished... There are two policement, one fomr each country, both offiecedi n the same room in the Belgian town hall
      Mar 13, 2001 @ 23:00 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1725. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: baarle photos description
      I d love too! Send us all the details when it s done! Thanks Brendan...I find those real world
      Mar 13, 2001 @ 23:11 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
1726. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Largest enclave
      ... In this case 100% surrounded by another unit does NOT equate to separated. Singularity! The 100% surrounded part means not more than one neighbour (ie
      Mar 13, 2001 @ 23:19 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1727. baarle monumentation
      There are NO monuments for the enclaves, neither along the main border between posts 214 and 215. In 1843 the border commission gave up trying to sort out
      Mar 13, 2001 @ 23:29 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1728. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: baarle photos description
      Before the EU there was... BENELUX. I think that helpd solve a lot of problems for Baarle, and EU is on top of that. Other W.Europe countries only have EU, so
      Mar 13, 2001 @ 23:33 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1729. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Largest enclave
      Even if one has some form of sovereignty over territorial waters, the difference with soil is that if I lean over a border fence and dig a hole in your country
      Mar 13, 2001 @ 23:38 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1730. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Largest enclave
      ... Not land locked-- land is irrelevant to the fiat objects we are dealing with here. But land-plus-12-mile-limit-locked. If one can reach international
      Mar 13, 2001 @ 23:40 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
1731. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Largest enclave
      But the major thing about fragments of nay type is ACCESS Anyone can pass through your terr. seas without permission. BUT they can t pass through your land
      Mar 13, 2001 @ 23:57 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1732. Front page and centre!
      From today s The AGE, Wed 14/3/01 The geographic centre of Victoria. Also known as h because it s the middle of nowhere ! or the Bracks of Beyond! (Steve
      Mar 14, 2001 @ 01:10 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
1733. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Pope Line/ Oz tps
      It was widely known in ancient Greek time that the Earth was spherical, and Columbus certainly knew it, and on the other hand Magellan really didn t
      Mar 14, 2001 @ 02:04 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
1734. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Ile de la Conference
      first thanx for the tactful hint peter as all these franco spanish condo tripoints could be called frfrspsp only in my fractured isofips a coinage as
      Mar 14, 2001 @ 03:37 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1735. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Largest enclave
      ... wow i wasnt expecting this conclusion either evidently you dont want to consider campione or the malawi mozambique pair or any of the spanish moroccan
      Mar 14, 2001 @ 04:01 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1736. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: museum map
      according to my cheap encyclopedia there were 2 tordesillas lines both of them explicitly bipolar circles that of the 1493 papal bull set the line 100 leagues
      Mar 14, 2001 @ 04:30 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1737. Re: [BoundaryPoint] maritime sovereignty and jurisdiction
      a very telling point here by brendan so lets not mix oranges & apples any more from where the sun now stands i will no longer mention eez tripoints in the same
      Mar 14, 2001 @ 04:47 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1738. Re: [BoundaryPoint] baarle monumentation
      brendan please dont blame david or anyone for my persistent pursuit i realize it may be offputting to some but i mean well & am having a good time & not at
      Mar 14, 2001 @ 05:47 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1739. [BoundaryPoint] Re: baarle photos description
      ... I hereby order one copy, preferrably signed by the author, to be delivered when available. Cost is of no importance... :) Thanks for sharing all this,
      Mar 14, 2001 @ 08:30 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
1740. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Ile de la Conference
      I think it s _you_ who s straightening _me_ out now, Michael. I was looking at the Descheemaeker map in my msg. 1481, but according to all the written stuff I
      Mar 14, 2001 @ 08:45 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
1741. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Largest enclave
      My opinion (and I stress it is just that): dry land, which includes internal water (Campione, Malawi), and possibly (although I would go a long way with what
      Mar 14, 2001 @ 08:51 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
1742. territorial sea enclaves
      Although the maritime areas pertaining to St Pierre & Miquelon and the Channel Islands are both surrounded by the maritime zones of another state, neither s
      Mar 14, 2001 @ 09:09 - Martin Pratt ("Martin Pratt" <m.a.pratt@...>)
1743. Re: Largest enclave
      ... intervening ... sure on ... Is this standing international jurisdiction? If it is, I can think of countries that couldn t care less. I think of the major
      Mar 14, 2001 @ 09:37 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1744. Belgian lower order claves
      ... There are two exclaves (I would say)/fragments (you would say) I know of: the municipality of Voeren and the municipality of Comines-Warneton. They are not
      Mar 14, 2001 @ 10:03 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
1745. Re: [BoundaryPoint] maritime sovereignty and jurisdiction
      But this is strange. The width of the band of territorial waters is the same from the islands as from the shore, I would think. The terr. waters of such an
      Mar 14, 2001 @ 10:09 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
1746. Re: [BoundaryPoint] DENL pictures from Dinxpeerlo
      Note that the coat-of-arms of pictures 1 and 2 are different and not Gueldrian/Muenster ones! I will try to find out what they represent. Peter S.
      Mar 14, 2001 @ 10:31 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
1747. Re: [BoundaryPoint] DENL pictures from Dinxpeerlo
      Your first picture, with no. 1 (862), I can now, with the help of your pdf file and a good map (Dutch topo map 1:25k), positively identify as the old tripoint
      Mar 14, 2001 @ 11:54 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
1748. Re: [BoundaryPoint] DENL pictures from Dinxpeerlo
      I think (but Wolfgang, I d appreciate it if you can confirm or deny this) that picture 2 is the back of picture 1. The coat-of-arms on picture 2 is definitely
      Mar 14, 2001 @ 11:59 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
1749. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Largest enclave
      Peter (and others), I agree exactly with this. Especially the part where inland waters or truly sovereign territorial seas can cleave a clave, that for clave
      Mar 14, 2001 @ 12:53 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
1750. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Baarle photos
      There are NO monuments for the enclaves, neither along the main border between posts 214 and 215. In 1843 the border commission gave up trying to sort out
      Mar 13, 2001 @ 06:59 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1751. Re: DENL pictures from Dinxpeerlo
      I have found an answer on the question on the coat of arms in foto 1. My source is the book Grenspalen in Nederland, T. Brouwer, Zutphen 1978. I will do my
      Mar 14, 2001 @ 15:36 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
1752. Baarle photos
      Here are 5 photos of interesting places in Baarle. 1&2)The border runs through the bottle shop at H1/M3 and a furniture warehouse at H1/N5. They have marked
      Mar 13, 2001 @ 02:19 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
1753. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: DENL pictures from Dinxpeerlo
      Good bit of research, thanks for that! So the stone is actually triangular. Pity it s not near me, otherwise I d visit it straight away and take a picture of
      Mar 14, 2001 @ 15:48 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
1754. Jungholz
      Jungholz is connected to the rest of Austria by a single point. That is alrady established. On the other hand Germany is also connected with herself at that
      Mar 14, 2001 @ 20:38 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1755. Re: Jungholz
      You are pushing it a bit, Jesper! I could now start talking about singularities and mathematics and what have you, but I d prefer to look at it more
      Mar 14, 2001 @ 20:46 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1756. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Jungholz
      No one can own a point because a point occupies zero area or volume, and has no room for even one atom. On the corner connection, such as Colorado-Arizona or
      Mar 14, 2001 @ 20:46 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
1757. Front page and centre!
      From today s Melbourne AGE, Wed 14/3/01 The geographic centre of Victoria. Also known as h because it s the middle of nowhere ! or the Bracks of Beyond!
      Mar 13, 2001 @ 23:48 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1758. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: DENL pictures from Dinxpeerlo
      multi congrats to wolfgang & harry & peter on these extraordinary findings & collaborations i am so glad you are all here & able to do all this yeoman work or
      Mar 14, 2001 @ 22:33 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1759. Re: [BoundaryPoint] territorial sea enclaves
      a very remarkable & timely set of geographical & legal circumstances i would add & with the box seats you bring to us & us to history in the making m
      Mar 14, 2001 @ 22:34 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1760. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Largest enclave
      i would expect a good dictionary to go at such lengths just to describe claves & i think that is one very good reason why we have all been writing it mclaves
      Mar 14, 2001 @ 22:34 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1761. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Ile de la Conference
      ok wonderful that confirms & fills in a good deal & no problem about the tripuncticides i figure i killed at least 150 tps myself out in the ocean yesterday
      Mar 14, 2001 @ 22:35 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1762. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Belgian lower order claves
      cant answer the question but it reminds me from what you reveal below it seems the municipalities of the brussels region are technically on the same level as
      Mar 14, 2001 @ 22:36 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1763. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Largest enclave
      Lakes are part of one s territory, water and lakebed. Thus the Swiss are able to prevent Itlaian armed personell (police or military) from boating to Campione
      Mar 14, 2001 @ 22:52 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1764. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Largest enclave
      Any enclave, if recognised as foreign by the host state, as a consequence of that recognition must be endowed with the foreign sovereingty which necessitates
      Mar 14, 2001 @ 23:01 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1765. Re: [BoundaryPoint] maritime sovereignty and jurisdiction
      From the sketch maps, the Terr waters of some of the islands closed into a point which met the high seas. Thus there was a point connection with high seas for
      Mar 14, 2001 @ 23:06 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1766. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Jungholz
      ... Right So if Germany is connected is then Jungholz disconnected ie an enclave? ... No. BOTH are connected there, and yet both disconnected. That is why
      Mar 14, 2001 @ 23:22 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1767. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Jungholz
      i have been toying with a different approach to this question clearly countries are 3 dimensional objects & are therefore real or what i would rather call
      Mar 15, 2001 @ 04:44 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1768. checklist of possibly real maritime tri country points
      please confirm or rule out any of the following maritime tri country point guesses that you can &or please add to the list if you can any positive findings
      Mar 15, 2001 @ 04:45 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1769. Garden of Australian Dreams
      The garden from above B _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at
      Mar 15, 2001 @ 08:36 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
1770. Message 1698/99 DENL at Dinxperlo
      Got the following list with some explanation s from grenslandmuseum at Dinxperlo Pic 01 Drielandstein mit Wappen von Bommen-Bernd Pic 02 Drielandstein bei
      Mar 15, 2001 @ 09:01 - Gartner Wolfgang (Gartner Wolfgang <WGartner@...>)
1771. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Belgian lower order claves
      In Belgium, it s a remnant of the past. When Belgium was a unitary and not a federal state, it was simple: you had provinces and municipalities. There was (and
      Mar 15, 2001 @ 09:16 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
1772. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Message 1698/99 DENL at Dinxperlo
      Thanks. That confirms it once more. Nice to know that bishop Bernhard van Galen is in actual fact Bommen Berend (Bombs Bernard). He is known by this nickname
      Mar 15, 2001 @ 09:43 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
1773. re: territorial sea enclaves
      Michael, Given that you were probably working with pretty small-scale charts, I applaud your list of potential territorial sea tripoints. The only omission I
      Mar 15, 2001 @ 09:54 - Martin Pratt ("Martin Pratt" <m.a.pratt@...>)
1774. Re: Message 1698/99 DENL at Dinxperlo
      For a little map when it was still Netherlands/Muenster/Bentheim: http://members.tripod.lycos.nl/robertscholtenahs/geschied.htm . It is the first map you see.
      Mar 15, 2001 @ 10:19 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1775. The Bosnian coast
      If territorial waters are exactly the same thing as dry land, then Croatia is a normal continuous country. But is Bosnia & Herzegovina landlocked? The point is
      Mar 15, 2001 @ 10:36 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
1776. Another old stone
      Another fairly old stone can be seen at http://www.natur.cuni.cz/~kuhn/gallery2.html (Old boundary stone from 1672 north of Polesí near Rynoltice). I ve
      Mar 15, 2001 @ 12:37 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
1777. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Another old stone
      How about the photo of the frontier path between the rock of Krkavcí kameny near Dolní Svetlá and the Luz hill with the modern monument? Would this mark
      Mar 15, 2001 @ 12:44 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
1778. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Another old stone
      
      Mar 15, 2001 @ 12:53 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
1779. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Garden of Australian Dreams
      multi congrats to all the peoples of australia & of the entire world for reaching the day when fusions & rediffusions like this one of multi dimensional
      Mar 15, 2001 @ 16:41 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1780. Re: Another old stone
      FAB = Franz Anton Berka, one of the three lords whose seigneuries met at the tripoint that you can see at: http://www.luzicke-hory.cz/tourist8.html#Utri . At
      Mar 15, 2001 @ 17:31 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1781. Re: Jungholz
      I like this little philosophical reflection of yours, Michael. I agree that boundaries, and singularities all the more, are removed from reality. They exist,
      Mar 15, 2001 @ 17:49 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1782. philosophical reflections on borders
      A manmade line on the ground - necessary, yes, in order to prevent misunderstandings and chaos... the line itself shouldn t - in my opinion - be regarded as a
      Mar 15, 2001 @ 18:07 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
1783. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Another old stone
      Thanks Pet ... From: Peter Smaardijk To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Another old stone I
      Mar 15, 2001 @ 20:16 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
1784. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Another old stone
      Thanks Peter...(disregard that initial reply...I was having keyboard problems!)....now I m wondering if that frontier porch crosses the border more or less
      Mar 15, 2001 @ 20:18 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
1785. Re: Another old stone
      Alas.... The building is no more. According to http://www.luzicke- hory.cz/tourist6.html#Luz , the building burned to the ground in 1946. The circumstances of
      Mar 15, 2001 @ 20:40 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1786. Re: [BoundaryPoint] re: territorial sea enclaves
      thank you very much indeed martin today is a huge day in our tricountry point rainbow chase for we have arrived with this post from you at a reasonably
      Mar 15, 2001 @ 21:33 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1787. TP?
      http://multimedia.alltheweb.com/cgi-bin/search?offset=1&exec=search&cat=cat_image&query=dreilandereck&if_all=on&it_all=on&vf_all=on&vc_all=on&af_all=on&ac_all=
      Mar 15, 2001 @ 22:06 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1788. Re: TP?
      What is meant is tp atczde. Pity the link doesn t work (with me). Peter S. ... offset=1&exec=search&cat=cat_image&query=dreilandereck&if_all=on&it_al
      Mar 15, 2001 @ 22:14 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1789. Re: [BoundaryPoint] baarle monumentation
      ... I have the coordinates in the Dutch and Belgian national grids to the nearest cm. The Dutch cadaster admits that the on the ground accuracy is probably to
      Mar 15, 2001 @ 22:58 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1790. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Another old stone
      truly fab pet & i say that as one who just watched his fierce old tomcat expire but it is eloquent testimony to what a long way we have come baby even just
      Mar 16, 2001 @ 01:04 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1791. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Jungholz
      i more than agree with this peter & would only add that boundaries as we know them today & a fortiori their boundaries aka the tps appear to mark the very
      Mar 16, 2001 @ 02:09 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1792. Re: [BoundaryPoint] philosophical reflections on borders
      other peter speaking here ... hear hear m
      Mar 16, 2001 @ 02:18 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1793. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: TP?
      if you go to http://www.egroups.com/message/boundarypoint/1787 & then click on the link provided there & then scroll down to the bottom where it says results
      Mar 16, 2001 @ 02:33 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1794. Re: [BoundaryPoint] baarle monumentation
      hey thats cool for i believe it means we could conceivably hit a 10cm square in september just like the ones at laorospo & schley taylor without much more
      Mar 16, 2001 @ 03:06 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1795. Re: [BoundaryPoint] The Bosnian coast
      the bosnian navy could then at least have the pleasure of inviting the navies of the worlds 40 truly landlocked countries to come over & play in its bathtub m
      Mar 16, 2001 @ 03:20 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1796. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: TP?
      It s a fine one. You can see it better at: http://www.pf.jcu.cz/others/okoli/prir/trojmez.htm Peter S.
      Mar 16, 2001 @ 08:17 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
1797. Pictures Ile de la Conférence and St. Martins Stone
      OK, I promised it, and finally they re there. Pics 1, 2, 3: looking towards the east. Pic 4: The monument (taken with a zoom lense) Pic 5: looking westwards
      Mar 16, 2001 @ 08:26 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@and.com>)
1798. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Another old stone
      I m absolutely positive that there are older ones than those we have found up to now. Lots of these will probably have been moved, or they are still there and
      Mar 16, 2001 @ 09:05 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
1799. Re: Ile de la Conference
      A nice but small picture of Donostia Airport Runway (with in the background Hendaye-Plage) at: http://www.bidasoacongress.com/euskera/home/bidtxin.htm . The
      Mar 16, 2001 @ 10:29 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1800. Former Dutch provincial enclave
      In an old school atlas (Beekman & Schuiling, 1927), I found to my astonishment that there used to be an enclave of the province of Drenthe in the province of
      Mar 16, 2001 @ 15:37 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@and.com>)
1801. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Another old stone
      wonderful & heres wishing we may get to eat at least some of these alive tho they would be rich even as sausage in america one often finds the predecessor
      Mar 16, 2001 @ 15:47 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1802. Boundaries at sea
      I understand that the main interest of this group lies with land boundaries, and as an expansion of it, 12 nm terr. sea ones. But the EEZ ones are sometimes
      Mar 16, 2001 @ 17:54 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1803. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Former Dutch provincial enclave
      Peter, what a nice discovery!!! You must know, I live about 15 km to the NNE of Dingstede in the city of Steenwijk! A pitty it is dark already, otherwise I
      Mar 16, 2001 @ 19:19 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <h.ten.veen@...>)
1804. Re: [BoundaryPoint] baarle monumentation
      I have the Dutch Topo coordinates in my GPS. Here an instruction can be found: http://www.d-d-s.nl/rd-grid.htm Does that solve your problem? gl Harry ten Veen
      Mar 16, 2001 @ 19:51 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <h.ten.veen@...>)
1805. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Boundaries at sea
      fascinating & it almost makes me regret backing away from the eez tps for after all sovereign rights tps are no less real as tps than sovereign territorial
      Mar 16, 2001 @ 20:18 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1806. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: DENL pictures from Dinxpeerlo
      More questions and answers to our quest. My source is the book Grenspalen in Nederland, T. Brouwer, Zutphen 1978. Any other interesting stones in that book
      Mar 16, 2001 @ 20:12 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <h.ten.veen@tref.nl>)
1807. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: DENL pictures from Dinxpeerlo
      way to go harry it looks like you do have a real winner here i mean i would say these quests are all different olympic events & we have many sorts of
      Mar 16, 2001 @ 20:55 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1808. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Ile de la Conference
      my guess is that the length of the piers or jetties per se will not affect the position of the tripoint which ought to fall in any case at the midpoint between
      Mar 16, 2001 @ 21:10 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1809. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: TP?
      also can you tell if the obelisk at the bottom of the jump page http://www.pf.jcu.cz/others/okoli/prir/plesne.htm has anything to do with the tripoint m
      Mar 16, 2001 @ 21:14 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1810. Re: TP?
      No. According to the web site (if I understand it well, because my Czech is not very good) it is a monument dedicated to the painter Adalbert Stifter. After
      Mar 16, 2001 @ 21:32 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1811. Re: Sweden-Norway islands
      Dals-Ed kommun was kind enough to send me a large packet of material, including the 1:25,000 Tresticklan Nationalpark Karta, which shows the islands of Sodra
      Mar 16, 2001 @ 22:04 - Josh Calder (Josh Calder <jcalder@...>)
1812. Re: Former Dutch provincial enclave
      Another map can be seen at http://hagen.let.rug.nl/~s0165964/drenthe.html . Dingstede is at no. 13. BTW: This is a site about a border dispute between the
      Mar 16, 2001 @ 23:05 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1813. "Living Islands"
      While on the subject of boundaries across islands: Islands can not only appear and dissappear, they can also move! The island of Schiermonnikoog, like all
      Mar 16, 2001 @ 23:22 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1814. tourism in enclaves
      A professor from Arizona, Timothy Dallen, has written a number of academic articles on borders and tourism, and has a book coming out from Routledge in London
      Mar 16, 2001 @ 23:50 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1815. toward happier obelisks
      well thanx for running down that obelisk peter & i do apologize for the horrendously bad query it was the resemblance between hoogstift & stifter that got me
      Mar 17, 2001 @ 02:03 - jane capellaro (jane capellaro <j@discovernet.net>)
1816. Re: [BoundaryPoint] toward happier obelisks
      i just realized also that there are some extremely thin but still real obelisks in many places along the caus & mxus lines &
      Mar 17, 2001 @ 02:48 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1817. oldest continuously working rock in the world
      it seems that the stretch of the denl line from denekamp to hardenberg which was identified by harry as the locale of the 1558 working rocks per brouwers
      Mar 17, 2001 @ 05:20 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1818. Re: [BoundaryPoint] toward happier obelisks
      It reminds me of the inmioh tp. I wonder how many tripoints are located in the middle of a working road? Bill ... From: michael donner To:
      Mar 17, 2001 @ 13:43 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
1819. Re: [BoundaryPoint] toward happier obelisks
      ... glad you asked that bill since it is really a megamultiquestion all rolled up into one & i can only speak of the usa tps with any confidence so there may
      Mar 17, 2001 @ 15:53 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1820. Re: [BoundaryPoint] toward happier obelisks
      Apparently, more than I had thought Mike! I was originally thinking more or less on the centerline , but you bring up variations I hadn t thought of. Bill
      Mar 17, 2001 @ 16:42 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
1821. For St. Patrick's Day: Ireland's "Bitter Border"
      Ireland s Bitter Border ...fitting for St. Patrick s Day. http://www.msnbc.com/news/536604.asp Bill St. Patrick drove the snakes out of Ireland...that s why
      Mar 17, 2001 @ 17:44 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@kua.net>)
1822. Re: toward happier obelisks
      Well, not exactly an obelisk, but this is the centre of the Dutch triangulation grid as used by the cadaster and the topographical service:
      Mar 17, 2001 @ 21:07 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1823. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: toward happier obelisks
      what a beautiful & imposing construction this is it fairly suggests the idea of a national cadastral cathedral & a receptacle for a real point of reference to
      Mar 17, 2001 @ 22:55 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1824. Re: [BoundaryPoint] territorial sea enclaves
      martin it was a thrill to see the bahrain qatar icj announcement reported earlier today on the int boundaries list & i think all our members here must have
      Mar 17, 2001 @ 23:09 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1825. Re: [BoundaryPoint] For St. Patrick's Day: Ireland's "Bitter Border"
      ... hahahahaha hahahahahaha ah but i see they still have a few comedians there too m elk city kansas is a snaky tickle
      Mar 18, 2001 @ 00:28 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1826. Re: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
      ... way back in message 681 ... & indeed we did look into this in subsequent messages as many will recall & i do intend to visit the area literally later this
      Mar 18, 2001 @ 02:09 - barbaria_longa@hotmail.com (barbaria_longa@...)
1827. LLHHPP
      Question for the dutch out there: In a treaty i came across the letters LLHHPP being used to signify the Dutch government in the 1700s, ie the States General.
      Mar 17, 2001 @ 04:07 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1828. gendered reflections on borders
      ... THAT s illegal :) ... Keep him in Baarle-Hertog someone... the Belgian part of the village doesn t allow the sex shop and private video booths that occur
      Mar 15, 2001 @ 22:39 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1829. Leurs Hauts Puissants
      Question for the dutch out there: In a treaty i came across the letters LLHHPP being used to signify the Dutch government in the 1700s, ie the States General.
      Mar 15, 2001 @ 22:36 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1830. Re: [BoundaryPoint] LLHHPP
      their left hand pages their left handed pages er no their left handed pitchers well then how about their lofty horse players their light horsepowers their
      Mar 18, 2001 @ 14:17 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1831. Re: [BoundaryPoint] maritime sovereignty and jurisdiction
      Peter, I think you are exactly correct, which is why such territorial sea enclaves are so rare, perhaps totally non-existent. The 12-mile french territorial
      Mar 18, 2001 @ 14:14 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
1832. Re: [BoundaryPoint] maritime sovereignty and jurisdiction
      i agree too & that is precisely why the outcome of this past fridays icj decision is so potentially groundbreaking er i mean such a potential watershed
      Mar 18, 2001 @ 16:19 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1833. Re: maritime sovereignty and jurisdiction
      I can only think of cases where there is already an area of territorial waters defined, but then some sort of an exception is made for the sovereignty of an
      Mar 18, 2001 @ 17:39 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1834. Re: LLHHPP
      I know in Dutch the members of the Estates General were generally referred to as the Hoogmogende Heren der Staten-Generaal . How to translate Hoogmogende
      Mar 18, 2001 @ 17:43 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1835. Re: toward happier obelisks
      Yeah, you caught me out. It is an old church tower. Still, it brings you back to the early days, when high spires were needed in order to see your next point.
      Mar 18, 2001 @ 17:55 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1836. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: maritime sovereignty and jurisdiction
      seems right to me also i just went back over the summary of the icj judgment tho i didnt read all the dissents etc & could easily have misunderstood what i did
      Mar 18, 2001 @ 19:46 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1837. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: LLHHPP
      seems right to me again & i actually tried this point m
      Mar 18, 2001 @ 20:18 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1838. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Former Dutch provincial enclave
      DINGSTEDE VISITED. Warning: Don t read this if you only like short messages! On saterday I was in the city of Utrecht and visited some (old-)bookshops. In a
      Mar 18, 2001 @ 20:27 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <h.ten.veen@...>)
1839. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: toward happier obelisks
      seems right yet again here in our own first state also from the 17th or 18th century til the present the new castle county court house spire has been the
      Mar 18, 2001 @ 21:44 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1840. Re: Former Dutch provincial enclave
      Brilliant. I m looking forward to the pics. It is indeed Hesselinge on that old map. Those long s es can be a bit misleading. I happened to look in a Staphorst
      Mar 18, 2001 @ 21:58 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1841. Re: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
      Best place to check is the De Lorme state atlases, that for the westerrn states now have a centerfold showing land ownership by colur, so chequerboard
      Mar 19, 2001 @ 00:00 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1842. the canadian secondary points aka ca2 etc
      just finished nicholsons 1979 edition of the canadian boundary bible & for anyone who has only seen the 1954 edition i can at least report the following
      Mar 19, 2001 @ 01:16 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1843. Parisian enclave?
      The city of Paris (which is a departement in it s own right) owns the source of the river Seine. It was bought in the 19th century. I wonder whether it s only
      Mar 19, 2001 @ 13:05 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
1844. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Parisian enclave?
      If you are interested in french territorial oddities, this is a good site to browse: http://communes.quid.fr/WEB/GEOPHYS/FR/Q016430.HTM Mats ...
      Mar 19, 2001 @ 13:19 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
1845. Re: [BoundaryPoint] the canadian secondary points aka ca2 etc
      erratum in the penultimate thought below beginning with the word finally please substitute & possibly a few similar ones but minus the glacier where
      Mar 19, 2001 @ 13:39 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1846. Confusion Ile de la Conférence/Ile des Faisans
      Just note that in the Ile de la Conférence/Ile des Faisans item, where they try to shed some light on the confusion, they explain this confusion wrong, in my
      Mar 19, 2001 @ 13:35 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
1847. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Parisian enclave?
      ahh wonderful you guys the source of a nations river & a complete survey of its political geoddity so i wonder what are the pointing implications of the
      Mar 19, 2001 @ 14:18 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1848. River sources
      Just some pics to start this pursuit: http://home.freeuk.net/elloughton13/sources.htm Peter S.
      Mar 19, 2001 @ 14:20 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
1849. Thames - source and ... boundary marker!
      Following the Thames downstream, you will find an actual boundary marker! So what is the boundary then? It is, apparently, the boundary between the tidal and
      Mar 19, 2001 @ 14:26 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
1850. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Thames - source and ... boundary marker!
      another first for you bring us here in a single click the only known river national or otherwise but of course it is a truly national one having both a
      Mar 19, 2001 @ 15:28 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1851. Re: [BoundaryPoint] River sources
      the game of pursuing rivers to their sources was first described by shultheiss as a traditional japanese ritual or art or sport & he even gave it the name
      Mar 19, 2001 @ 15:48 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1852. Re: [BoundaryPoint] River sources
      ... I know. Great Britain and the Netherlands were at it, and now Guyana and Surinam (Although fun is not the operative word here). The Corantyne should be
      Mar 19, 2001 @ 15:52 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
1853. Re: [BoundaryPoint] River sources
      these links actually do seem fairly typical of the dissertations & meditations one can have with oneself alone while slogging up a particularly testy
      Mar 19, 2001 @ 21:37 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1854. potomac source
      on the question of which is the american national river the mississippi was looking solid for gold here until the missouri branch of the mississippi showed
      Mar 19, 2001 @ 21:39 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1855. river sources
      the first 2 pix attached below are of the true source of the true potomac & the last one is of the so called source of the so called mississippi m Love, Jane
      Mar 19, 2001 @ 21:47 - jane capellaro (jane capellaro <j@discovernet.net>)
1856. namibian islands
      My messages always get delayed several days before posting in the last week or two. Anyone else having this problem?? Anyway, on with the important stuff: No,
      Mar 19, 2001 @ 23:00 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1857. Re: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
      the only one of these i do have is ne aka nebraska so i imagine you must mean nv for nevada & sheesh thats 50 simoleons worth of books but if anyone has any
      Mar 19, 2001 @ 23:14 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1858. Re: [BoundaryPoint] maritime sovereignty and jurisdiction
      No, i don t think so. The islands were only just offshore. Namibia will include them within her baselines and so claim 12nm from the islands. S.Africa included
      Mar 19, 2001 @ 00:06 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1859. Re: [BoundaryPoint] maritime sovereignty and jurisdiction
      I still don t see it. In that case, from the Namibian perspective, these islands are Namibian (they are included within the base line). So no South-African
      Mar 20, 2001 @ 08:05 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
1860. Okino-tori Shima/Parece Vela
      http://www.vill.ogasawara.tokyo.jp/200kairi.htm You don t have to know Japanese to see the implications of tiny rocks on your EEZ. The only thing I can read on
      Mar 20, 2001 @ 11:20 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
1861. Maritime boundaries
      A nice map at: http://www.maritimeboundaries.com/graphics/large_gmbd.jpg On EEZ s:
      Mar 20, 2001 @ 12:51 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
1862. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Okino-tori Shima/Parece Vela
      good to see all these puffy balloons again especially that worldwide version in the next message & really cranking up for the first time on line now as it all
      Mar 20, 2001 @ 14:27 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1863. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Okino-tori Shima/Parece Vela
      On the site of the world map ( http://www.maritimeboundaries.com/ ) some very enlightening documents can be found. Especially the doc on median lines, and the
      Mar 20, 2001 @ 14:33 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
1864. Re: Fwd: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Okino-tori Shima/Parece Vela
      well peter at least yours was a relatively small bubble that burst here this incredible new site has me bouncing completely off the wall because it actually
      Mar 20, 2001 @ 17:27 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1865. Re: Fwd: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Okino-tori Shima/Parece Vela
      whoops i just read some more fine print at this site & it seems a subscription still costs 3 grand a year with no absolute guarantee of completeness or
      Mar 20, 2001 @ 20:31 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1866. Fwd: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Okino-tori Shima/Parece Vela
      Yes, $3000, but... As they themselves say: (Median line document, page 4) Median line: published as interim boundary pending multilateral agreement; serves as
      Mar 20, 2001 @ 21:58 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1867. Re: [BoundaryPoint] maritime sovereignty and jurisdiction
      Exactly, this was the problem. Just like S.Afr claimed Walvis Bay for 4 years, 1990-94, then finally gave it back. The islands were also a source of
      Mar 20, 2001 @ 22:26 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1868. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Okino-tori Shima/Parece Vela
      You can translate Japanese to English at www.babelfish.altavista.com either type in the page to be translated or copy and paste the text itself. Brendan ...
      Mar 20, 2001 @ 22:28 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1869. Bits and Pieces
      I will be touching on a few subjects. First of all, have you guys checked up on the size of Zubara and associated land that Bahrain claimed on Qatar on map 2.
      Mar 20, 2001 @ 22:42 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
1870. Re: maritime sovereignty and jurisdiction
      Boudewijn Büch (Eilanden, 8th reprint of the 2nd., improved ed., 1996) talks about his pursuits to find any information on this geographic oddity. The name of
      Mar 21, 2001 @ 09:53 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1871. Re: Okino-tori Shima/Parece Vela
      Thanks a lot, Brendan! It works. Peter S. ... itself. ... rocks on ... tori ... dark blue ... are ... are ... do a.k.a. ...
      Mar 21, 2001 @ 10:10 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1872. Re: Bits and Pieces
      ... It came as a surprise to me. The situation in Arabia is almost ... Could you elaborate on that? ... Well, the churches and offices of the Holy See outside
      Mar 21, 2001 @ 13:34 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1873. Re: Qatar and Saudi Arabia sign boundary agreement
      i havent seen these new maps yet but doesnt this news plus last fridays icj news mean we are now 2 thirds of the way to our first actual maritime tricountry
      Mar 21, 2001 @ 14:01 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1874. Vatican 'semi-enclaves' in Italy
      In 1951, the transmitters of Radio Vatican were granted extraterritoriality, just as all those churches and other buildings that were mentioned in the 1929
      Mar 21, 2001 @ 13:56 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1875. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Okino-tori Shima/Parece Vela
      it must be your energy flow now peter i couldnt budge it like brendan sometimes not being able to get in for 2 days or me losing my cookies etc all the time &
      Mar 21, 2001 @ 14:16 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1876. Re: Okino-tori Shima/Parece Vela
      OK, I will copy/paste it here (the relevant part that is): 1 / 3 of our national 200 nautical mile waters occupies the Ogasawara archipelago which The
      Mar 21, 2001 @ 14:14 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1877. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Okino-tori Shima/Parece Vela
      hahahahaha hahahahahahahaa ahhh m
      Mar 21, 2001 @ 14:34 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1878. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Vatican 'semi-enclaves' in Italy
      it is not really fair to call the recent electromagnetic emissions of the vatican pollution like everyone else they have every right & indeed are right to
      Mar 21, 2001 @ 14:56 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1879. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Vatican 'semi-enclaves' in Italy
      I d guess that their electromagnetic emissions prior to the 20th century were fairly limited though. Bill
      Mar 21, 2001 @ 15:55 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
1880. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Vatican 'semi-enclaves' in Italy
      hahaha well i dont argue this hahaha i mean its ok as far as it goes m
      Mar 21, 2001 @ 17:32 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1881. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Vatican 'semi-enclaves' in Italy
      What the hell is this Yahoo! Groups Sponsor tag next to my signature? Not my idea, gang! Bill ... From: michael donner To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
      Mar 21, 2001 @ 17:34 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
1882. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Vatican 'semi-enclaves' in Italy
      it means you are the host baby a most awesome role & you do it well m
      Mar 21, 2001 @ 17:55 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1883. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Vatican 'semi-enclaves' in Italy
      Uneasy is he that wears the crown (or however it goes...) Bill ... From: michael donner To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001
      Mar 21, 2001 @ 17:51 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
1884. Re: Vatican 'semi-enclaves' in Italy
      Yes, and back then, they certainly didn t have problems like these: Mr Bordon [Italian Environment Minister] said electric lights in homes near the site come
      Mar 21, 2001 @ 18:04 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1885. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Thames - source and ... boundary marker!
      There was a good TV programme on the Thames recentlyhere, a British documentary, following the river from its source to the sea. The chap went to the source
      Mar 20, 2001 @ 01:51 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1886. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Thames - source and ... boundary marker!
      Brendan, is that term intentionally wikan ? (Maybe meaning Wiccan ?) How about wicked ? I need to know the correct fantasy I should be employing here.
      Mar 21, 2001 @ 18:20 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
1887. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Vatican 'semi-enclaves' in Italy
      The kitchen would be the LEAST of my problems. Bill ... From: peter.smaardijk@and.com To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 1:04 PM
      Mar 21, 2001 @ 18:30 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
1888. exclaves restored to everyones land
      great ones bill this morning i was blaming turkey & specifically the bosporus &or the dardanelles for being so narrow as to separate the black sea exclave of
      Mar 21, 2001 @ 19:11 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1889. Re: [BoundaryPoint] exclaves restored to everyones land
      er forget the white sea since that is a russian close but there could be scads more good ones off the coasts of asia m
      Mar 21, 2001 @ 20:08 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1890. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Thames - source and ... boundary marker!
      wiccan women, wicker men... ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at
      Mar 21, 2001 @ 23:44 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1891. parisian enclave?
      I checked French topo sheet #29, at 1:100 000 (Serie Verte) and although the source and St Germain-sur-Seine are marked, there is no indication of Paris City
      Mar 22, 2001 @ 02:14 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1892. exclaves of everyones land revised
      bottlenecks apparently narrower than 24nm apparently qualify the following international seas to contain exclaves of everyones land in the numbers indicated 3
      Mar 22, 2001 @ 03:31 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1893. RE: [BoundaryPoint] toward happier obelisks
      Michael, Did you peruse any of the other locations on the ksphototour site? Check #48 Southwest Three Corner Monument and you will find that four feet under
      Mar 22, 2001 @ 03:35 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
1894. Re: [BoundaryPoint] exclaves of everyones land revised
      Most of these are *fragments*, not exclaves, as they are bordered by more than one country. BW ...
      Mar 22, 2001 @ 05:16 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1895. Re: exclaves of everyones land revised
      Dixit Brendan. I still disagree. Enclave is not the same as exclave. I think. My opinion. Peter S. ... more ... following ... numbers ... invited ... point
      Mar 22, 2001 @ 08:37 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1896. Spanish territory on/off Moroccan coast
      The territories that are well known: Ceuta and Melilla The territories that are less well known (but the members of this group of course do know these names):
      Mar 22, 2001 @ 09:29 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1897. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Parisian enclave?
      I checked French topo sheet #29, at 1:100 000 (Serie Verte) and although the source and St Germain-sur-Seine are marked, there is no indication of Paris City
      Mar 21, 2001 @ 03:06 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1898. Re: parisian enclave?
      Yes, I ve seen that map too. It seems to indicate that the source is in the municipality of Poncey-sur-l Ignon. A 1:25k map will be more precise, of course.
      Mar 22, 2001 @ 15:38 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1899. RE: [BoundaryPoint] toward happier obelisks
      wonderful reports from our inner kingdom of oz jack this is why you are king for the life of us2 it never occurred to me to use this resource this way you
      Mar 22, 2001 @ 16:08 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1900. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: exclaves of everyones land revised
      ahaha hahahaa sed quid cockabebbel dudes they are all fragments because they are all bordered by more than 1 country just like mclaves dictionry & brendan said
      Mar 22, 2001 @ 17:33 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1901. Re: exclaves of everyones land revised
      ... the really wonderful news for me & i think for everyone here is that ... multilateral ... hadnt both ... talking ... Well, I am from that same country
      Mar 22, 2001 @ 17:37 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1902. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: exclaves of everyones land revised
      precisely right of both of hugo & peter & continued below ... precisely right of both of you hugo & peter which is why i have scrupled so punctiliously to set
      Mar 22, 2001 @ 18:46 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1903. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Spanish territory on/off Moroccan coast
      Perejil was shown as Spanish territories in the two atlases I have from the 1950s. That is not the case now, even in a spanish encyclopedia atlas I have seen.
      Mar 22, 2001 @ 22:38 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@yahoo.com>)
1904. Fw: Happier obelisks
      ... From: Jack Parsell To: Michael Donner Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 9:44 PM Subject: Happier obelisks Mike, Re message 1815, here are some pictures of the
      Mar 23, 2001 @ 02:50 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@gisco.net>)
1905. Fw: Great Salt Lake Meridian
      ... From: Jack Parsell To: Michael Donner Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 5:07 PM Subject: Great Salt Lake Meridian After skiing up in the mountains near Salt
      Mar 23, 2001 @ 02:52 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@gisco.net>)
1906. Another old Basque stone
      At http://www.geocities.com/ostadar.geo/o960211_g.htm , boundary marker no. 56 can be seen. The place is called Trois-Bornes (three markers) in French, and
      Mar 23, 2001 @ 09:47 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
1907. Another old Basque stone
      ... marker no. 56 can be seen. The ... (three boundaries) in Basque. ... found that there is a triangular ... inscriptions on the two Spanish ... .... and has
      Mar 23, 2001 @ 09:52 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1908. Another happy obelisk
      This time on the European-Asian boundary, on the banks of the river Ural in Orenburg, Russia: http://www.osu.ru/~bvv/foto/orenburg/15.jpg Not really ON the
      Mar 23, 2001 @ 12:00 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
1909. Another source
      The source of the river Elbe/Labe in the Czech rep.: http://home.t-online.de/home/Kleinbusfahrten/431.htm The 26 coats-of-arms are those of the 26 largest
      Mar 23, 2001 @ 14:20 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1910. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fw: Great Salt Lake Meridian
      thanx & salutes jack for this first reported instance of a point of origin both truly cadastral & truly cathedral if amersfoort proves to have been a splice
      Mar 23, 2001 @ 15:44 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1911. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Another source
      maybe not just another source but our first binational mythopoeic source since both germans & czechs might wish to acknowledge it as such these are
      Mar 23, 2001 @ 15:53 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1912. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Another old Basque stone
      this was most peculiar peter first both instalments somehow escaped delivery to me by email then i think i do see 3 stones rather than the 2 you see & none
      Mar 23, 2001 @ 16:22 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1913. breaking news
      well i cant keep a secret but its a good one just discovered that snake bill & brian have had several pretty surprises in wait for us at
      Mar 23, 2001 @ 16:44 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1914. Enclaves
      Michael, I don t recall any mention of Carter Lake, IA which is almost completely surrounded by Omaha, NE. Apparently the river changed its course and left
      Mar 23, 2001 @ 23:01 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@gisco.net>)
1915. public land surveys have a boundary cross too
      http://www.ca.blm.gov/cadastral/meridian.html is a map of the entire united states public land survey system showing all the various areas covered by it & the
      Mar 24, 2001 @ 00:18 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1916. carter lake
      nice one jack it points up the fact that these oxbow backwater corners are almost as common along the missouri as they are along the mississippi but maybe not
      Mar 24, 2001 @ 01:25 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1917. Re: carter lake
      ... oops ksmone is 2 tps downriver from carter lake in the morning light m
      Mar 24, 2001 @ 13:01 - barbaria_longa@hotmail.com (barbaria_longa@...)
1918. official wine
      Does BoundaryPoint have an official wine yet? If not, I nominate Enclave des Papes , a Cotes du Rhone that also says Domaine des Grands Devers on the label.
      Mar 24, 2001 @ 19:34 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
1919. Re: [BoundaryPoint] official wine
      mustve been pretty freakin good david & the jury are of course still out & i admit enclaves didnt sound so juicy as endives for winemaking at first but i would
      Mar 25, 2001 @ 13:41 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1920. its about official wine
      http://www.nativeweb.org/pages/legal/sovereignty.html presents american indian & other nonwestern views of sovereignty & territory even elucidating the islamic
      Mar 25, 2001 @ 14:17 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1921. Islamic Sovereignty
      Oops, I never did answer what I meant by the Islamic (Middle Eastern, specifically) view of sovereignty I mentioned in a previous e-mail of mine. Like all
      Mar 25, 2001 @ 18:09 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
1922. Re: official wine
      The Enclave des Papes is one of the five departemental enclaves in France, that Arif mentions on his web site (I think there are no more, leaving the Seine
      Mar 25, 2001 @ 19:21 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1923. finally: Austrian boundary stones - Overslag
      It took a while but here they are: two pictures of Austrian border markers near Overslag in the south-west of the Netherlands, taken in 1995. vriendelijke
      Mar 25, 2001 @ 19:53 - Eef Berns ("Eef Berns" <eefberns@dds.nl>)
1924. 4 more crosses found at capitan grande
      thanx arif for the insight into islamic sovereignty that is very illuminating & indeed exciting to see how the common wealth is maintained & circulated in some
      Mar 25, 2001 @ 20:02 - michael donner by way of jane capellaro (michael donner <m@discovernet.net> (by way of jane capellaro <j@discovernet.net>))
1925. Re: [BoundaryPoint] official wine
      The Biergrenz in Baarle sells miniature bottles of spirits with their name and a picture of the borderpillar next to the B-Hertog church of St Remi on it. I am
      Mar 25, 2001 @ 01:02 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1926. agua caliente review nets 5 more crosses
      a recent careful second try at diagramming the territory of the incredible agua caliente indian reservation in & around palm springs california that first &
      Mar 26, 2001 @ 02:22 - michael donner by way of jane capellaro (michael donner <m@discovernet.net> (by way of jane capellaro <j@discovernet.net>))
1927. Contest "old border-monuments"
      attached i show you one of my oldest border-monument in Germany -dated 1360- and some explanations. This stone divides in present no legal borderline.
      Mar 26, 2001 @ 06:09 - Gartner Wolfgang (Gartner Wolfgang <WGartner@kliem.de>)
1928. Oldest boundary marker ;-))
      A nice boundary marker of the Roman Empire, on the boundary Gaul - Germania, can be seen at http://websites.ntl.com/~ewan.villiers/sf3.htm Peter S.
      Mar 26, 2001 @ 08:06 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1929. pala mission reservation art
      the attached art shows 2 versions of the pala mission reservation territory in pala california as reported in detail yesterday in message 1920 the
      Mar 26, 2001 @ 12:47 - michael donner by way of jane capellaro (michael donner <m@discovernet.net> (by way of jane capellaro <j@discovernet.net>))
1930. reflexions
      wow that last magic mushroom & peyote digest & indeed all our wild 1920s to be exact really made my head spin thank you the smokinest news on the reservation
      Mar 26, 2001 @ 15:06 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1931. Re: reflexions
      ... Rüsselsheim am Main Heutiger Standort: Festungsmuseum der Stadt Rüsselsheim Text: (Lapid)e indicitur, quanto
      Mar 26, 2001 @ 18:26 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1932. 1360 by wolfgang
      thank you peter so it sounds as tho what you are all feasting your eyes on there is the earliest known boundary monument still in existence anywhere whether
      Mar 26, 2001 @ 19:59 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1933. santa rosa reservation art
      cubist blanket with smoke puffs also 3 dots in sign language speechless m Love, Jane
      Mar 26, 2001 @ 21:32 - jane capellaro (jane capellaro <j@discovernet.net>)
1934. second & probably last checkerboard reservation found
      after several fairly interesting near misses a reasonably good companion has finally been found for the checkerboard reservation in palm springs this new one
      Mar 27, 2001 @ 04:39 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1935. Re: reflexions
      ... Nassau..... It was, of course, not placed THERE (in the museum) by Frederick of N., but on it s original location (as you probably already guessed). Just
      Mar 27, 2001 @ 07:51 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1936. NoSe border islands - map!
      Hello everybody, attached you ll find a map of Tresticklan National Park , a park situated close to the border between No+Se - interesting to see the two
      Mar 27, 2001 @ 13:44 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
1937. Re: [BoundaryPoint] NoSe border islands - map!
      ... border islets are very interesting & enjoyable especially if monumented & anyway i think we would follow you guys wherever you point your nose at least
      Mar 27, 2001 @ 18:33 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1938. checkerboard art & making a tribe whole again
      the latest talk of making the torres martinez checkerboard tribe whole again seeing as 17 of its 43 boundary crosses became inundated 100 years ago owing to a
      Mar 27, 2001 @ 22:11 - michael donner by way of jane capellaro (michael donner <m@discovernet.net> (by way of jane capellaro <j@discovernet.net>))
1939. Re: [BoundaryPoint] checkerboard art & making a tribe whole again
      The bill ALLOWS them to purchase land? Why can t they purchase it normally? B _________________________________________________________________________ Get
      Mar 27, 2001 @ 23:53 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1940. Ruesselsheim Boundary-Stone dated 1360
      Sorry, but I prefer .pdf-files for presenting my formatted documents, which i wrote in MS-Office-Word XP. An ACROBAT-READER is available free for everyone.
      Mar 28, 2001 @ 05:40 - Gartner Wolfgang (Gartner Wolfgang <WGartner@kliem.de>)
1941. Re: NoSe border islands - map!
      Peter H., Can you tell me which dashed line the international boundary actually is? The straight one that is really dashed, or the dotted line running from one
      Mar 28, 2001 @ 06:56 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1942. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: NoSe border islands - map!
      I would guess the highest point on each islet, to ensure intervisibility of markers, and while splitting the islands seems a little funny, it does make it easy
      Mar 28, 2001 @ 08:18 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1943. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: NoSe border islands - map!
      Hi Peter S., good questions: the actual boundary line is in fact the dotted line that runs in a straight direction thru the lake Södra Boksjön touching -
      Mar 28, 2001 @ 08:48 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
1944. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Ruesselsheim Boundary-Stone dated 1360
      thank you very much indeed wolfgang & it is i who should apologize for the technical backwardness these pix are absolutely staggering to see tho exquisite
      Mar 28, 2001 @ 14:27 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1945. Re: [BoundaryPoint] checkerboard art & making a tribe whole again
      ... good question & frankly i had just assumed this was the simple result of their normal status of dispossession both economic & civil but it seems their
      Mar 28, 2001 @ 15:19 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1946. Re: [BoundaryPoint] checkerboard art & making a tribe whole again
      excuse me the cahuilla black & white creation story link should have been http://www4.hmc.edu:8001/humanities/indigenous/Cahuilla.htm & is heartily recommended
      Mar 28, 2001 @ 15:46 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1947. Tripoint BeGeNe: informationcentre
      In a Dutch newspaper (Volkskrant, 24-03-2001) there was an article of Rudi Rotthier on the tripoint BeGeNe. Most important and new information (to me at least)
      Mar 28, 2001 @ 21:49 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <h.ten.veen@...>)
1948. Two sites
      I would like to mention two map sites, one each for the last two threads of mailings. Firstly, the site http://www.gdsc.bia.gov/districts/ is good for indian
      Mar 28, 2001 @ 23:23 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
1949. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoint BeGeNe: informationcentre
      I had to look up Belvedere in my dictionary. He means of course the viewing tower, the Tour Badouin (sp?) just inside the Belgian angle at the tripoint. When I
      Mar 29, 2001 @ 00:19 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1950. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Two sites
      thanx arif this is just the site i was hoping would exist but couldnt find & what a shock to see all the many new scattershot land areas & all the resulting
      Mar 29, 2001 @ 02:52 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1951. zeroing in on breintenstein
      the exact locality of the stone of the 12 apostles mentioned & shown in message 1642 is evidently too tiny to appear on most maps but you can get an idea of
      Mar 29, 2001 @ 02:53 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1952. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Two sites
      Here are your three extremely zoomed-in divided islands, from the site. I just made a screen dump and cropped the pictures (don t tell Statens Kartverk I did
      Mar 29, 2001 @ 07:29 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@and.com>)
1953. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoint BeGeNe: informationcentre
      The salient can be seen at the bottom of
      Mar 29, 2001 @ 08:14 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
1954. Re: zeroing in on breintenstein
      At this site: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/mairie.wingen-moder/1_patrim.htm (site of the municipality of Wingen-sur-Moder), there is talk of three stones:
      Mar 29, 2001 @ 09:00 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1955. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: zeroing in on breintenstein
      back to the roman ages would indeed be interesting dear asterix especially since interprovincial boundaries were generally just the domesticated successors of
      Mar 29, 2001 @ 16:20 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1956. good fellow rock
      http://ecole.nevache.free.fr/PageUniq/frontier.htm shows another handsome old international rock evidently still functioning as a french interregional
      Mar 29, 2001 @ 20:51 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1957. 30 days to find a frbr stone but why
      http://www.m6.fr/emissions/impossible/guyane.htm & 4 jump pages with possible video stream describe a 30 day expedition to recover an apparently ordinary frbr
      Mar 29, 2001 @ 22:26 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1958. Re: [BoundaryPoint] good fellow rock
      There are still people who would like to restore that pretty border stone to international service: http://notre.savoie.free.fr/ Peter S.
      Mar 30, 2001 @ 07:44 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
1959. Boundary stone France-Savoy/Piemont
      http://clubdescentcols.multimania.com/centcols/libre_service/col_des_rochil= les.htm The thing is apparently numbered (no. 92)! It s sitting on the Seuil des
      Mar 30, 2001 @ 08:32 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1960. Re: [BoundaryPoint] good fellow rock
      good fellow bringing just the perfect next part of the story twice again both here below & at the col these important historical details push the possible
      Mar 30, 2001 @ 15:28 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1961. Lithuanian disenclavement
      I have official confirmation of the removal of the Lithuanian enclave of Pagiriai in Belarus from the Lithuanian Foreign Ministry. Could someone post this to
      Mar 29, 2001 @ 00:42 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1962. final indian checkerboard & cross counts
      after further experimentation & checking against state topo index maps & also against individual topo quads i can report that the zoomable indian reservation
      Mar 30, 2001 @ 20:03 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1963. Re: final indian checkerboard & cross counts
      I ve been following this quest for a while now, and not knowing a lot about Indian reservations and regulations concerning these, I am getting a bit curious
      Mar 30, 2001 @ 21:20 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1964. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: final indian checkerboard & cross counts
      well it is a hard question but i think the few true checkerboard reservations actually were an original invention of president grant tho possibly an
      Mar 30, 2001 @ 23:36 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1965. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: final indian checkerboard & cross counts
      From what I understand, when the railroads were built west in the 1800s, the govt granted the lands for so many miles either side of the tracks to the railroad
      Mar 31, 2001 @ 02:15 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1966. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 30 days to find a frbr stone but why
      So, it s not just the Brasilian farmers and McDonalds but also the French army who fell Amazon rainforest. An interesting alliance: McDonalds and the French! B
      Mar 30, 2001 @ 00:27 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1967. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 30 days to find a frbr stone but why
      ... a mcdalliance hey but at least we are talkin french here m er do you mean that whole trip was just for lumbering
      Mar 31, 2001 @ 13:37 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1968. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: final indian checkerboard & cross counts
      brendan please your point about the illegal cuban commie druglords is well made & well taken but ... the railroad checkerboard grants included rights to any
      Mar 31, 2001 @ 14:29 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1969. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Lithuanian disenclavement
      also brendan &or especially anyone who can i have tried to repost this interesting word from you for you but i evidently lack the necessary cookies so it
      Mar 31, 2001 @ 15:32 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1970. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoint BeGeNe: informationcentre
      The railway line goes into a tunnel at the beginning of the word Geusenweg, but misses the tripoint as it tunnels under the hill towards Belgium. Almost the
      Mar 29, 2001 @ 12:00 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1971. Tp Mocam-Zimb-S Afr
      Aka Crooks Corner No picture I am afraid, but according to a new book I bougt on the Kruger Park there is a monument. The book also states that in the old days
      Mar 31, 2001 @ 19:53 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1972. Poss TP
      http://www.mandela.de/suedafrika/mbuzini/mbuzinihtm.htm
      Mar 31, 2001 @ 21:02 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1973. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tp Mocam-Zimb-S Afr
      ok we must be closing in on this one now as of message 1062 we were still under the impression that it was unmarked or even under water but now it seems there
      Mar 31, 2001 @ 23:27 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1974. Re: [BoundaryPoint] final indian checkerboard & cross counts
      When I supplied the Indian Reservation web page, I never meant it to be the final authority on the reservations, but more as a counterpoint to Delorme and
      Mar 31, 2001 @ 19:25 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
1975. Austrlaian state borders: SA/Vic
      Pictures of pillars along a survey of the 36th parallel in Vic to the SA border, and some info on the border.
      Apr 01, 2001 @ 02:19 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1976. atchlin & lin & lil
      photo at http://www.unterland.li/state/ruggell.htm faces north down the rhine valley from the northernmost community in liechtenstein toward the northerly twin
      Apr 01, 2001 @ 13:22 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1977. a narrowly close bccwwa trio try
      the towers in the first & last photos here by doug http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Cabana/9282/pointroberts2.html actually mark or very narrowly miss but
      Apr 01, 2001 @ 15:12 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1978. Re: [BoundaryPoint] final indian checkerboard & cross counts
      hey thats ok arif we knew the data were suspicious from the start the zoom toy itself is the auspicious & delicious part i doubt there are anywheres near 880
      Apr 01, 2001 @ 15:31 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1979. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tp Mocam-Zimb-S Afr
      He is an account of a safari firm : Although we have been to Crooks Corner many times I regret to say that we do not have a picture. The closest one can get
      Apr 01, 2001 @ 16:20 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1980. An Expedia.com Map from Jesper Nielsen
      Message from Jesper Nielsen: TP Moc-SAf-Zim (N) Here is the link to your map:
      Apr 01, 2001 @ 16:43 - maps@expedia.com (maps@...)
1981. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tp Mocam-Zimb-S Afr
      nice going jesper it looks like we will get there now with sheer intent m
      Apr 01, 2001 @ 17:13 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1982. atchlis & perhaps lih if not also lise
      http://liechtensteinfl.tripod.com/page6.html completes our whirlwind tour of the tripoints of liechtenstein again from a safe distance as it homes in somewhat
      Apr 01, 2001 @ 17:14 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1983. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tp Mocam-Zimb-S Afr
      I am planning a GSABE ( Great Southern African Border Expedition this X-mas with my wife, covering RSA, Mozambique, Swaziland and Lesotho. Crooks Corner may
      Apr 01, 2001 @ 17:35 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1984. Fw: Crooks Corner
      ... From: Mario Anthes To: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 9:03 PM Subject: Re: Crooks Corner Hello Jesper, the only picture of Crooks
      Apr 01, 2001 @ 19:24 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
1985. Fw: Crooks Corner
      ... From: Mario Anthes To: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 9:33 PM Subject: Re: Crooks Corner Hello Jesper, You can use the picture for
      Apr 01, 2001 @ 19:37 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
1986. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fw: Crooks Corner
      ... thats ok we can spend the nite here & press on in the morning if south africa is on the right & zimbabwe on the left as mario says then this is probably
      Apr 01, 2001 @ 22:31 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1987. Re: [BoundaryPoint] a narrowly close bccwwa trio try
      It s called undefended, but I m positive the border guards have guns. They were certainly unwilling for me to leave my bag at the guardhouse while I looked
      Apr 01, 2001 @ 23:45 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1988. Re: [BoundaryPoint] atchlis & perhaps lih if not also lise
      Michael, Are you sure you re looking at Naafkopf? The name of the picture implies you re looking at Malbun village. I have a 1:50k map of the area here, and I
      Apr 02, 2001 @ 07:11 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
1989. Re: [BoundaryPoint] atchlis & perhaps lih if not also lise
      By the way, Naafkopf is not the highest point in Liechtenstein. It is 2570 m, but I found one higher on the map I have here: Grauspitz, on the atli border,
      Apr 02, 2001 @ 07:25 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
1990. Re: atchlis & perhaps lih if not also lise
      ... I mean the chli border of course... Anyway, a picture of the Naafkopf can be found at http://meineseite.i-one.at/nenzingerhimmel/bilder/album/Naaf.jpg This
      Apr 02, 2001 @ 08:35 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1991. Claving fun in Liechtenstein
      It s not that they like to keep it simple in Liechtenstein. Just look at the municipality boundaries! http://www.unterland.li/state/territory.htm Peter S.
      Apr 02, 2001 @ 08:53 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
1992. tripoint atchlin
      I am pretty certain that you are looking right at the tripoint on this picture: http://www.leemann.li/ecards2/pc5-1.htm You can click on the picture to get to
      Apr 02, 2001 @ 09:40 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
1993. Re: tripoint atchlin
      No, not quite... Sorry for that. The tripoint is just behind the photographer. Peter S.
      Apr 02, 2001 @ 10:00 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1994. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Claving fun in Liechtenstein
      The map is also published in Martin IRa Glasner s Systematic political geography , an introductory fiurst year text with great photos and maps. A must-have.
      Apr 02, 2001 @ 10:36 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
1995. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: tripoint atchlin
      ... finally something in all this i can agree with absolutely peter but i would add that these tripoint vista pix & all your other additions to our
      Apr 02, 2001 @ 16:52 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1996. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fw: Crooks Corner
      ahh jesper i do appear to have left you in the lurch here for in the morning light your map in message 1971 which seems generally pretty good confounds what
      Apr 02, 2001 @ 17:11 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1997. Re: [BoundaryPoint] a narrowly close bccwwa trio try
      right & thats why i say nominally both sides have in fact repeatedly & vigorously defended this border against me m
      Apr 02, 2001 @ 18:31 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
1998. Re: tripoint atchlin
      ... Yes, this is Steg. Just as no. 6 is Malbun. Like I said, I have a map of the area (1:50000) and I can recognise the houses and road pattern. ... The lift
      Apr 02, 2001 @ 19:03 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
1999. Pfaelzer Huette
      ... can also be seen at http://194.183.128.147/international/map/d/50.htm & http://194.183.128.147/international/map/d/51.htm . At this site, also many
      Apr 02, 2001 @ 19:45 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
2000. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: tripoint atchlin
      hahaha ok i will be glad to see this for i think you must be right especially if you are sure you have the proof m
      Apr 02, 2001 @ 20:05 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2001. Your Mail-It URL
      Welcome on www.swissgeo.ch! This Mail was sent to you by m@discovernet.net via the Mail-It service from http://www.swissgeo.ch. His message is the following:
      Apr 02, 2001 @ 23:39 - m@discovernet.net (m@...)
2002. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Your Mail-It URL
      Yes, it works. Yesterday I looked at this site also, but couldn t zoom in somehow. Now I can. Just compare picture no. 6 with the Malbun area and with the
      Apr 03, 2001 @ 07:23 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
2003. Dreilaenderspitze
      A secundary (but spectacular) tripoint: Vorarlberg (at), Tyrol (at), and Graubuenden (ch).
      Apr 03, 2001 @ 10:32 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
2004. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: tripoint atchlin
      ... you can save yourself this task peter as i am convinced you are right & gratified also that my french was at least more reliable than the testimony of our
      Apr 03, 2001 @ 11:36 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2005. Re: Dreilaenderspitze
      nice going our first such outside north america m
      Apr 03, 2001 @ 11:33 - barbaria_longa@hotmail.com (barbaria_longa@...)
2006. whats wrong with this picture part 3
      this fairly recent & informative article on the state of the cnin line the only triple international boundary in the world
      Apr 03, 2001 @ 19:13 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2007. another gysr gusher
      the guyana suriname boundary dispute has been under discussion in english for some months now at http://www.surinamenet.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000023.html etc by
      Apr 04, 2001 @ 00:38 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2008. Re: another gysr gusher
      I have actually taken the trouble to read through all this, and although it is informative in some ways, I find it ridiculous to see Surinamese and
      Apr 04, 2001 @ 09:04 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
2009. More about obelisks
      I noticed a discussion about a month ago regarding obelisk monuments. I believe Mike mentioned the CTMARI tri-point monument, but I don t think this qualifies
      Apr 04, 2001 @ 23:57 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
2010. Let's try obelisks again
      Sorry for the bad link in my previous message. Let s try it again: I noticed a discussion about a month ago regarding obelisk monuments. I believe Mike
      Apr 05, 2001 @ 00:00 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
2011. Re: [BoundaryPoint] More about obelisks
      brian great to see you guys & the corner corner looking so fine too it is true that obelisks are usually tapered & what you think qualifies certainly matters
      Apr 05, 2001 @ 01:55 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2012. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tp Mocam-Zimb-S Afr
      jesper my earlier response to this seems to have gone astray but i just want to repeat how glad i am to hear this news as it promises to be our first real
      Apr 05, 2001 @ 01:56 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2013. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Dreilaenderspitze
      another reason to celebrate posted a few days ago from the bp website but evidently also not received this is our first unamerican binational tripoint & i
      Apr 05, 2001 @ 01:56 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2014. indian crosses revisited
      picked up the delorme new mexico atlas today & was able to confirm about 220 indian boundary crosses in it so a national grand total of over 800 remains likely
      Apr 05, 2001 @ 03:40 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2015. Re: [BoundaryPoint] More about obelisks
      Evidently this is a linguistic phenomenon. The Merriam-Webster s Collegiate Dictionary definition is an upright 4-sided usually monolithic pillar that
      Apr 05, 2001 @ 12:39 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
2016. Re: [BoundaryPoint] More about obelisks
      excellent so you may but neednt necessarily disqualify your local pride ctmari the only tri state obelisk yet confirmed or imagined anywhere in the world m
      Apr 05, 2001 @ 16:01 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2017. Re: [BoundaryPoint] More about obelisks
      What about MANHVT, MENHQC, and MDPAWV, to name a few? BJB ... From: michael donner To: Sent: Thursday,
      Apr 05, 2001 @ 16:16 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
2018. Re: [BoundaryPoint] More about obelisks
      yes i think these must all fit your definition i hope you can show them off m
      Apr 05, 2001 @ 17:26 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2019. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: another gysr gusher
      peter all good points such ridiculousness makes the navajo look golden by comparison to just salute the four directions & piss on azconmut at their daily
      Apr 05, 2001 @ 21:23 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2020. Re: [BoundaryPoint] More about obelisks
      well brian i imagined you would be following thru with more pix because i think people might like to see what you are talking about & it is actually quite
      Apr 06, 2001 @ 06:30 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2021. 'Boundary-Making'
      I discovered today that Stephen B. Jones classic 1945 book Boundary-Making: A Handbook for Statesmen, Treaty Editors and Boundary Commissioners has been
      Apr 06, 2001 @ 10:27 - Martin Pratt ("Martin Pratt" <m.a.pratt@...>)
2022. tricountry points actually or virtually visited by us
      this update of message 1614 etc adds our 4 newest tricountry point pix all of them rather distant & uncertain but still most welcome with special honors again
      Apr 07, 2001 @ 01:06 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2023. still happier yet
      the connection of obelisks with boundaries may seem fortuitous yet both arise from & express the singular idea of sovereignty according to
      Apr 07, 2001 @ 14:38 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2024. suspected bede & denl river condos & tps updated
      some little headway has been gained since the last report about & request for help with finding or ruling out the possible denl & bede river condos to match
      Apr 07, 2001 @ 16:37 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2025. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 'Boundary-Making'
      martin this is a most major & indeed causal work i believe for example the following attachment copied from it shows the now familiar looking but in 1945
      Apr 07, 2001 @ 22:04 - jane capellaro (jane capellaro <j@discovernet.net>)
2026. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 'Boundary-Making'
      oops i meant to say here the michigan wisconsin or miwi boundary rather than the illinois michigan or ilmi boundary m ilmi has actually never been
      Apr 08, 2001 @ 01:39 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2027. Nice link to TpAtChLiN!
      Hello everybody, a nice picture from the Tp-area AtChLi N can be found on: www.unterland.li/state/ruggell.htm must be very close to GCEBE s tp no. 6 to be
      Apr 08, 2001 @ 08:19 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
2028. search for germany benelux river condos advances
      still working in the dark for lack of an 1815 treaty of vienna text & still clueless also about any later international agreements that could have affected the
      Apr 08, 2001 @ 23:09 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2029. Northwest Angle
      A pene-enclave in Minnesota, NW Angle threatened to join Canada c. 19 March 1998. An interesting article on tourism thewrectogewther with a photo of a
      Apr 10, 2001 @ 00:39 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2030. Northwest Angle 2 enclaves and map
      Northwest angle used to have several enclaves in its NW arm of Lake of the Woods, that were removed in 1925. A map of the issues is on p137 of Stephen B.
      Apr 10, 2001 @ 00:42 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2031. 2 new Tripoints in Europe this year?
      As you probably know, there will be held a referendum in Montenegro later this month about their continuous marriage with the remainder of Yugoslavia
      Apr 10, 2001 @ 08:26 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
2032. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 'Boundary-Making'
      oops yet again as i got both the wrong book & author for that map of the median line on lake michigan in message 2025 & sincerely apologize for the confusion
      Apr 10, 2001 @ 10:24 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2033. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Northwest Angle 2 enclaves and map
      bus&ss indicates that the point adopted in 1925 for the new north limit of the usa in the lake of the woods displaced it northward from swampland into open
      Apr 10, 2001 @ 17:28 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2034. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Northwest Angle 2 enclaves and map
      Navigable waters in Canada appear to be defined much more narrowly: Navigable Waters Protection Act: navigable water includes a canal and any other body of
      Apr 10, 2001 @ 21:48 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
2035. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Northwest Angle 2 enclaves and map
      thanx david this is quite helpful in several ways tho i think the wording you mention here from section 2 doesnt narrow the definition of navigable waters at
      Apr 11, 2001 @ 00:45 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2036. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 2 new Tripoints in Europe this year?
      thanxx for the greetings & the tidings peter i confess this news had actually escaped my notice til now since montenegro has been threatening to secede like
      Apr 11, 2001 @ 22:26 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2037. Re: Northwest Angle 2 enclaves and map
      Interestingly, the official Canadian topo map (15 x 30 , Berry Point) covering the Northwest Angle clearly marks an Ontario-Minnesota boundary running up the
      Apr 11, 2001 @ 23:19 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
2038. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Northwest Angle 2 enclaves and map
      We need to be very careful not to confuse jurisdiction with sovereignty or ownership. The Canadian government has jurisdiction and sovereignty , I believe,
      Apr 11, 2001 @ 23:46 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
2039. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Northwest Angle 2 enclaves and map
      Yes, I agree about being careful with jurisdiction vs. sovereignty. In fact I had been contemplating this issue myself. I just checked the USGS Beau Lake, ME
      Apr 12, 2001 @ 00:36 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
2040. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Northwest Angle 2 enclaves and map
      I personally don t think there are Federal waters inland in Canada. It is my understanding that Provincial fishing regulations apply once one gets upstream of
      Apr 12, 2001 @ 01:00 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
2041. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Northwest Angle 2 enclaves and map
      following are extracts from the boundaries of the canadian federation nicholson 1979 pp2ff by sovereignty is meant the authority of the state to have control
      Apr 12, 2001 @ 04:59 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2042. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Northwest Angle 2 enclaves and map
      Unfortunately, the federative points thus produced are, to me, completely unsatisfying. And it appears they are unsatisfying to North American
      Apr 12, 2001 @ 13:17 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
2043. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Northwest Angle 2 enclaves and map
      brian this news from you is both very fortunate & satisfying for me & i believe also for us as a whole since we all obviously place such a high value on
      Apr 12, 2001 @ 14:37 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2044. legends in our own minds
      those who access the group via http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint have probably noticed the new short form there of our descriptive identity
      Apr 12, 2001 @ 17:44 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2045. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Northwest Angle 2 enclaves and map
      ... Speak for yourself! I am a Canadian, and for 3 years I was a colleague of Norman Nicholson as professors at the University of Western Ontario (me a young
      Apr 12, 2001 @ 21:51 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
2046. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Northwest Angle 2 enclaves and map
      I wonder if my disk will hold the anticipated reply. BJB ... From: David Mark To: Sent: Thursday,
      Apr 12, 2001 @ 22:43 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
2047. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Northwest Angle 2 enclaves and map
      hahahah try this brian hahaha david wow enormous fun to learn all this about you & no wonder i hold you & nicholson in the same high regard but i gather you
      Apr 12, 2001 @ 23:25 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2048. ok then here are some new questions
      & a fresh start just to lighten up how many major internal multipoints does anyone think canada truly has & how many major multipoints on the caus boundary in
      Apr 12, 2001 @ 23:43 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2049. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ok then here are some new questions
      ... None. There is no place in Canada where three (or more) Provinces come together. (Exception might be a wet NB NS PEI.) Also no place where three or more
      Apr 12, 2001 @ 23:52 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
2050. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ok then here are some new questions
      4 and 18: MBNTNUSK, ABNTSK, ABBCNT, BCNTYT MENBQC, MENHQC, NHQCVT, NYQCVT, NYONQC, NYONPA, OHONPA, MIOHON, MIMNON, MBMNON, MBMNND, MBNDSK, MTNDSK, ABMTSK,
      Apr 13, 2001 @ 00:15 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
2051. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ok then here are some new questions
      I might add a few more but salt water might be shaky ground. BJB ... From: michael donner To: Sent:
      Apr 13, 2001 @ 00:17 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
2052. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Northwest Angle 2 enclaves and map
      parts of the oceans and seas can be classified as inland waters in the sense that 3-mile and 12-mile limits do not apply. An example is Hudsons Bay, which
      Apr 13, 2001 @ 00:20 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
2053. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ok then here are some new questions
      well david since you are asking as well as putting things this way i would say that the difference in legal status among the 10 provinces & the 3 normally
      Apr 13, 2001 @ 06:40 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2054. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Northwest Angle 2 enclaves and map
      i have searched again for inland waters but i can only offer again the 3 excerpts below under pages 74 & 84 for the closest i believe nicholson ever comes to
      Apr 13, 2001 @ 06:41 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2055. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Northwest Angle 2 enclaves and map
      To put an aussie spin on this, I saw a new 1:250 000 map of an area along the Great Aussie Bight in SA/WA, and a national park on the edge of the nullabor is
      Apr 12, 2001 @ 23:15 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2056. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Northwest Angle 2 enclaves and map
      And for fifty thousand dollars, a nullabor is which of the following: 1. A boring story about nothing 2. An infinitesimally small drill bit 3. A salt-water
      Apr 13, 2001 @ 20:16 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
2057. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Northwest Angle 2 enclaves and map
      nul arbor means no trees in ungrammatical Latin, right?
      Apr 13, 2001 @ 22:35 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
2058. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Northwest Angle 2 enclaves and map
      sort of it is evidently a contraction of nulla arbor meaning no tree m
      Apr 13, 2001 @ 22:53 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2059. revised canada & caus guesses
      http://realtor.mls.ca/london/MNR/fact_sheet_ls2.htm in the section entitled what are crown lands surprised me by implying that crown may mean not only the
      Apr 13, 2001 @ 22:54 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2060. Re: [BoundaryPoint] revised canada & caus guesses
      This sounds good, and reasonable. BJB ... From: michael donner To: Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 6:54 PM
      Apr 13, 2001 @ 23:39 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
2061. Re: [BoundaryPoint] revised canada & caus guesses
      ... Michael, At the northern end of Labrador lies Killinek Island. The eastern half of that island is part of the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador; the
      Apr 14, 2001 @ 00:32 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
2062. Re: [BoundaryPoint] revised canada & caus guesses
      great question david answer follows below ... i counted them as 3 of the 10 mixed status coastal federal waters tripoints because i have not found any
      Apr 14, 2001 @ 04:00 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2063. Re: [BoundaryPoint] revised canada & caus guesses
      When I was birding at Churchill, Manitoba, several times in the early 1980s, the conventional wisdom among birders, including local professional guides, was
      Apr 14, 2001 @ 11:39 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
2064. Re: [BoundaryPoint] revised canada & caus guesses
      Crown lands are those not in private hands, basically. They are held on behalf of the crown by the govt. In austrlaia this is at state level mainly. For
      Apr 14, 2001 @ 01:15 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2065. Re: [BoundaryPoint] revised canada & caus guesses
      ahh local informants wrong as usual my own understanding or misunderstanding is all the islands & even low tide projections of hudson bay are nunavut all
      Apr 14, 2001 @ 18:45 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2066. Re: [BoundaryPoint] revised canada & caus guesses
      thanx pal & basking in the appreciation i am astonished to realize my caus job is still not complete after all for i have neglected to find or even imagine
      Apr 14, 2001 @ 18:45 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2067. Re: [BoundaryPoint] revised canada & caus guesses
      right very nice crown lands & perhaps even inland crown waters but canadian territorial seas must be different & american territorial seas are different again
      Apr 14, 2001 @ 18:56 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2068. first try at a complete punctoscopy of canada
      assuming the federal waters territory is real & includes all canadian territorial seas & estuaries as far as the mean low tide line & also assuming there are
      Apr 15, 2001 @ 14:46 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2069. outrageously off topic correction
      ... Can t be 4, because Rob Al Lun is an anagram of nullabor. Palindromes read the same back and formt, ie Napoleon s motto: Able was I ere I saw Elba or The
      Apr 14, 2001 @ 01:05 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2070. Historical pict. of DeDkBorder
      Denmark joined the Schengen - agreement 3 weeks ago. This mile- stone on the way to more European unity means no more border controls = open borders within
      Apr 16, 2001 @ 07:32 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
2071. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Historical pict. of DeDkBorder
      Thanks Peter To follow up on Peter s message I am proud to annouce that I visted the DEDK border myself Saturday. Photos will be developed and posted in the
      Apr 16, 2001 @ 07:48 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2072. Re: [BoundaryPoint] outrageously off topic correction
      good correction & maybe not so far off topic since real palindromes are diplomatic texts of a sort producing lines with precisely fixed terminals & a
      Apr 16, 2001 @ 10:11 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2073. Re: [BoundaryPoint] first try at a complete punctoscopy of canada
      Because it was tax season here, the computer was needed for tax preparation and I was thus lax at e-mailing or updating my page for the last month. It should
      Apr 16, 2001 @ 16:53 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
2074. unsubscribe me
      
      Apr 16, 2001 @ 17:00 - Shandelman, Todd ("Shandelman, Todd" <todd.shandelman@...>)
2075. Re: search for germany benelux river condos advances
      Hi again, For all of you wondering where I was last week: I was enjoying a short holiday. And photographs I have made, too. Let s hope they ve turned out well,
      Apr 16, 2001 @ 20:24 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
2076. Re: Dreilaenderspitze
      There are more though, and we have them, we just don t know we do. The Flemish-Walloon border touches the Netherlands three times: at boundary markers 14 (on
      Apr 16, 2001 @ 21:12 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
2077. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Northwest Angle 2 enclaves and map
      ... A large plate of wallaby stew and a round of applause to our winner folks. B _________________________________________________________________________ Get
      Apr 14, 2001 @ 01:09 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2078. Re: [BoundaryPoint] first try at a complete punctoscopy of canada
      glad you are back arif & thanx for thinking this thru with me & yes i see jesper & peter just got back too wonderful obviously arguing interests us less than
      Apr 16, 2001 @ 23:31 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2079. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: search for germany benelux river condos advances
      welcome home prodigal one i figured you would be out there in the field somewhere celebrating & reconnoitering we are exuberating to get the whole scoop on
      Apr 17, 2001 @ 00:04 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2080. Re: [BoundaryPoint] outrageously off topic correction
      That s strange, I thought ron al lun WAS nullabor backwards, spaces notwithstanding. BJB ... From: Brendan Whyte To:
      Apr 17, 2001 @ 00:11 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
2081. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: search for germany benelux river condos advances
      Did you get to the nearby ex-enclave of Germany weestr of Belialf on the way? I am dying to know what the picnic firniture made of boundary stones looks like.
      Apr 17, 2001 @ 00:54 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2082. Re: [BoundaryPoint] first try at a complete punctoscopy of canada
      Unwieldy was precisely the argument the Victorian high court judge used against the idea that the top of the left bank of the murray is the NSW/Victorian
      Apr 17, 2001 @ 00:47 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2083. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Dreilaenderspitze
      first of all peter i just realized your visiting another tri country point or line whichever it is means you may already have the second greatest accumulation
      Apr 17, 2001 @ 03:30 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2084. Re: [BoundaryPoint] first try at a complete punctoscopy of canada
      good luck we have a practically identical situation at almstn except it seems to have been answered by fiat here a left bank alms line has simply been extended
      Apr 17, 2001 @ 03:47 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2085. Re: [BoundaryPoint] first try at a complete punctoscopy of canada
      Interesting. Both the TnMs and TnAl lines were menat to be at the 35th parallel. But the Ms leg was defined from a point on the west bank of the Tennessee
      Apr 17, 2001 @ 05:15 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2086. Re: [BoundaryPoint] first try at a complete punctoscopy of canada
      Interesting. Both the TnMs and TnAl lines were menat to be at the 35th parallel. But the Ms leg was defined from a point on the west bank of the Tennessee
      Apr 17, 2001 @ 05:18 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2087. Re: [BoundaryPoint] first try at a complete punctoscopy of canada
      ... Sorry, but I cannot find the fragment that you are refering to on these maps. I also cannot find Bear Creek
      Apr 17, 2001 @ 17:38 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
2088. nsw sa vic & almstn
      good of you to dish these data & map brendan they really are worth savoring this is pickwick tva dam lake 1937 it looks like the usgs rightly feels
      Apr 17, 2001 @ 18:36 - michael donner by way of jane capellaro (michael donner <m@discovernet.net> (by way of jane capellaro <j@discovernet.net>))
2089. Re: When does an ICJ decision take effect?
      you have probably already seen the ibru exchange above & following about the new bahrain qatar boundary decided by the icj as well as the map behind it at
      Apr 17, 2001 @ 21:08 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2090. retraction of message 2089
      whoops upon further review the situation is much more complicated than i thought & i was much too casual & glib for starters the operative map is number 7
      Apr 18, 2001 @ 06:27 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2091. Nullarbor Plain in Aussie - pix
      Hello everybody, referring to discussions about the word Nullarbor a lot of good memories crossed my mind.... attached you ll find two pictures from that
      Apr 18, 2001 @ 08:18 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
2092. Re: Bits and Pieces
      A virtual territory (probably not an enclave) in the way Arif describes it is the Mundatwald, a forest in Germany, just over the border from the French town
      Apr 18, 2001 @ 08:29 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
2093. Re: search for germany benelux river condos advances
      Alas, no. It completely slipped my mind. And I wasn t far off, too. But I keep it in mind, since it s not so far from the Netherlands, and I m bound to visit
      Apr 18, 2001 @ 10:44 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
2094. Re: search for germany benelux river condos advances
      ... could ... where the ... two ... It looks like you re right. I have a 1:20k map here of the Vianden area, and the points where the border leaves the river
      Apr 18, 2001 @ 14:07 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
2095. Re: search for germany benelux river condos advances
      ... of ... banks, ... following ... was ... Normally, ... unless ... ..... this new border agreement is most probably that of 1984, as reported by Peter H. way
      Apr 18, 2001 @ 17:46 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
2096. RE: [BoundaryPoint] nsw sa vic & almstn
      Michael, For an interesting sidenote to your discussion on almstn, go southeast, upriver, from the tripoint. Note the map labelling error where Tishamingo
      Apr 18, 2001 @ 17:47 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
2097. Iron curtain book
      Just found the book All Along the Wall and Watchtowers by Oliver August. It s a road trip journal along the old intra-German border in 1999. It looks
      Apr 18, 2001 @ 19:20 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
2098. US-Mexico border pictures and stuff
      Some stuff to look at: http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/7070/fences.htm -- Shoot like a pro? Now sell like a pro! www.stockphotosonline.com
      Apr 18, 2001 @ 19:50 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
2099. Re: Iron curtain book
      I have a beautiful little book called Freie Stadt zwischen Stacheldraht? , published in 1959 by the Federal Ministry of Joint- German Affairs
      Apr 18, 2001 @ 20:04 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
2100. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Iron curtain book
      I can think of two interesting ones: Heinz Knobloch, Michael Richter, Thomas Wenzel: Geisterbahnhöfe, Westlinien unter Ostberlin , Ch. Links Verlag, Berlin,
      Apr 18, 2001 @ 20:28 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
2101. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: search for germany benelux river condos advances
      profuse thanxxx peter this all feels great & i agree about monuments 19 & 47 for now i can envision them marking dedelulu condo tripoints on the left bank of
      Apr 18, 2001 @ 22:18 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2102. RE: [BoundaryPoint] nsw sa vic & almstn
      jack that is odd you seem to be referring to the fragment brendan was talking about just up inside the mouth of bear creek there but i am not positive you are
      Apr 18, 2001 @ 23:54 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2103. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Historical pict. of DeDkBorder
      peter great pix this one makes me wonder too whether the schengen loop of the european union shouldnt already be considered as a single country or if not yet
      Apr 19, 2001 @ 00:21 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2104. RE: [BoundaryPoint] nsw sa vic & almstn
      michael, ... AL - Tishamingo, MS counties to where the AL-MS line heads south. Now note the county markings south on the AL-MS line and east on the
      Apr 19, 2001 @ 02:22 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
2105. Re: search for germany benelux river condos advances
      In http://www.salomonia.com/Bundesrecht/verlauf_gemeinsame_staatsgrenzeG/verlauf_gemeinsame_staatsgrenze-text.htm (the law that puts the 1984 treaty into
      Apr 19, 2001 @ 10:12 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
2106. RE: [BoundaryPoint] nsw sa vic & almstn
      by jove right you are jack hahahah & topozone makes it look like tishomingo is claiming only up to the end of its usgs quad & no farther hahaha so we appear
      Apr 19, 2001 @ 14:05 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2107. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: search for germany benelux river condos advances
      great this is hot & it sure looks like you have caught the territorial changes in mid air for whatever grundstuecken may actually mean it could well have
      Apr 19, 2001 @ 16:09 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2108. Re: search for germany benelux river condos advances
      ... air ... parcels ... new reality ... resist it ... I didn t think of this possibility yet, but it sounds very reasonable. But the Grundstuecken may well be
      Apr 20, 2001 @ 07:50 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
2109. closing the gap at tp bahrain qatar saudi arabia aka bhqasa
      the recent wrong guess at a maritime & islamic law tricountry point based on bhqa icj maps 2 & 7 linked in message 2090 has at least had the beneficial
      Apr 20, 2001 @ 13:33 - michael donner by way of jane capellaro (michael donner <m@discovernet.net> (by way of jane capellaro <j@discovernet.net>))
2110. 8 canadian majors still uncertain
      silly of me to leave this dangling but i am still dangling myself over whether there is or is not an interprovincial tongue of land aka fragment in the usage
      Apr 20, 2001 @ 15:15 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2111. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: search for germany benelux river condos advances
      peter & al heading out to play but just want to say yess i was hoping for a castle & even saw a possible beauty of one around vianden on line but couldnt pin
      Apr 20, 2001 @ 16:10 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2112. RE: [BoundaryPoint] nsw sa vic & almstn
      No dry twin at the southeast corner. Only the one error. jack ... From: michael donner [mailto:m@discovernet.net] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 10:06 AM To:
      Apr 20, 2001 @ 19:55 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
2113. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Iron curtain book
      The Ugly Frontier by david shears published: chatto and windus, London, 1971. photos, diagrams, maps. Includes a fantastic photo of the west berlin schoolboy
      Apr 21, 2001 @ 23:35 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2114. vianden castle found but on wrong bank
      http://luxembourg.co.uk/pics/vianden_water.jpg places vianden castle squarely above the right bank of the river ours & thus on the wrong bank for it to have
      Apr 22, 2001 @ 00:03 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2115. CA-US Boundary marker and Manitoba-MN-ND tripoint
      Michael, A long time ago I promised these pictures and finally got around to get prints made from the slides. The obelisk is 2 miles N of Pembina, ND via an
      Apr 22, 2001 @ 01:08 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@gisco.net>)
2116. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bits and Pieces
      The 1998(?) treaty between Ecuador and Peru over their disputed boundary gave to Ecuador a small cemetery in Peru where Ecuadorian soldiers were buried who
      Apr 22, 2001 @ 01:39 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2117. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CA-US Boundary marker and Manitoba-MN-ND tripoint
      nice one jack this is our earliest known visit to a caus tripoint or any binational tripoint & no matter that it was made for a different reason also i really
      Apr 22, 2001 @ 02:25 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2118. interprovincial tongue of land now looking unlikely
      a hoped for internal canadian version of point roberts & 2 more potential crown waters tripoints with it at the north end of the onpq boundary in the james bay
      Apr 22, 2001 @ 03:35 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2119. Danish-German border expedition 2001
      I am please to inform you that my latest border expedition has been posted on http://www.geocities.com/graenser Jesper
      Apr 22, 2001 @ 10:23 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2120. Re: vianden castle found but on wrong bank
      Yes I knew that, but I was rather thinking of the castle being in the middle of some sort of a military defined area (e.g. the area a cannon can cover from the
      Apr 22, 2001 @ 11:04 - smaardijk@yahoo.com (smaardijk@...)
2121. bear creek - TN/AL
      From: David Mark Reply-To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] first try at a
      Apr 22, 2001 @ 23:01 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2122. bavarian 50k maps online
      T check out junholz and other places in bavaria, go to http://212.34.74.183/TK50_Online_blva/index.html there is a scrollable overview map on the left, and the
      Apr 22, 2001 @ 00:16 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2123. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Danish-German border expedition 2001
      jesper this is a great pleasure not only your travels & comments themselves but the fine presentation too & especially the new danish boundary freaks site
      Apr 23, 2001 @ 01:52 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2124. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: vianden castle found but on wrong bank
      peter that is a perceptive & comprehensive guess by you which i would like to add on to as it would make the entire seignory into the cherry & it only
      Apr 23, 2001 @ 01:52 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2125. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Danish-German border expedition 2001
      Michael, I think it will be many many years before Europe will be one country. Even if the signs are there, our nations go way back. In fact I don t think
      Apr 23, 2001 @ 04:48 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2126. DEKU no. 47
      hi, enclosed you will find some infos about boundary-stones on DE - LU borderline. Wolfgang Gärtner c/o Carl Kliem GmbH An der Hauptwache 7 D
      Apr 23, 2001 @ 05:29 - Gartner Wolfgang (Gartner Wolfgang <WGartner@kliem.de>)
2127. Re: DEKU no. 47
      Great stuff, Wolfgang. So, if I understand correctly, the Vianden land boundary is marked since 1816. It could have existed before that date, of course, but
      Apr 23, 2001 @ 08:01 - smaardijk@yahoo.com (smaardijk@...)
2128. Re: Bits and Pieces
      In 1984, through the exchange of diplomatic notes, the question was settled. The Mundatwald was declared to be under German sovereignty, but French property,
      Apr 23, 2001 @ 11:08 - smaardijk@yahoo.com (smaardijk@...)
2129. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: DEKU no. 47
      thanxx to wolfgang & peter for again advancing this so nicely it is great to be part of a group effort also here is a photo of the our area in between the
      Apr 23, 2001 @ 18:02 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2130. Enclaves
      Hi everyone: I m new to this group, so please forgive my efforts to come up to speed. I ve been interested in enclaves for the last ten years, ever since
      Apr 23, 2001 @ 19:17 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
2131. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Enclaves
      Grant, soulmate, I have procured a map of the Sultanate of Oman (from www.omnimap.com, by the way), which, apart from having Folding Instructions on the back
      Apr 23, 2001 @ 19:44 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
2132. Re: [BoundaryPoint] first try at a complete punctoscopy of canada
      ... Whoops. Try http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=16&n=3861385&e=399715&size=m The state boundary follows the Tennessee river, then heads W of S formthe mouth
      Apr 21, 2001 @ 23:07 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2133. 1:5000 map of Jungholz. Help!
      I wrote to the Bavarian map people, enquiring about their 1:5000 maps, in the hope that a very loarge scale map would be interesting for the Jungholz
      Apr 22, 2001 @ 01:14 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
2134. second try at a complete punctoscopy of canada
      same as first try but with the following improvements confirming several of the earlier risky assumptions in message 2068 & closing out all known potential
      Apr 24, 2001 @ 04:00 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2135. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Enclaves
      ... The map is labelled Map of the Sultanate of Oman, scale 1:1.300.000 and is printed in march 1996, and published by the National Survey Authority of Oman
      Apr 24, 2001 @ 07:22 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
2136. Re: DEKU no. 47
      The dam+reservoir dates back to 1954-1964 ( http://www.eifelfuehrer.de/V/Vianden.html ). The photo at
      Apr 24, 2001 @ 08:06 - smaardijk@yahoo.com (smaardijk@...)
2137. Re: DEKU no. 47
      ... I m not sure myself either. What I know that there was a Dutch- Prussian boundary treaty known as the Treaty of Aachen, dated 1816 (all the work probably
      Apr 24, 2001 @ 08:10 - smaardijk@yahoo.com (smaardijk@...)
2138. Re: DEKU no. 47
      A picture is at http://www.tourist-info-vianden.lu/promenade.JPG . The tripoint no. 47 is just behind the head of the person in red (step aside, will you). A
      Apr 24, 2001 @ 08:27 - smaardijk@yahoo.com (smaardijk@...)
2139. Re: Enclaves
      For the extraterritorial parts of the Holy See, see (no pun intended) the Lateran treaty at http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/treaty.htm , especially articles
      Apr 24, 2001 @ 08:38 - smaardijk@yahoo.com (smaardijk@...)
2140. Re: [BoundaryPoint] nsw sa vic & almstn
      So we have a line running along the river bank and one (ALTn running along 35 paralell sort of. They turn out not to intersect as described. What to do? Extend
      Apr 21, 2001 @ 23:11 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2141. Re: DEKU no. 47
      ... In http://www.virtual-institute.de/de/prax1996/pr96_5.cfm , there is talk of two Prussian-Dutch boundary treaties: 1. The treaty of Aachen, June 26, 1816
      Apr 24, 2001 @ 13:18 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2142. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 1:5000 map of Jungholz. Help!
      The fire brigade is on the way, Brendan! Very interesting link indeed, I just left their very comprehensive site - a bit wiser: almost all Bavarian
      Apr 24, 2001 @ 14:54 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
2143. Re: [BoundaryPoint] nsw sa vic & almstn
      ... yes yes yes the boundary that made itself or perhaps others less enthusiastic would call it a boundary by default yet it mightnt have done this if ms
      Apr 24, 2001 @ 15:06 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2144. RE: [BoundaryPoint] 1:5000 map of Jungholz. Help!
      Peter, ... Can you tell us exactly how you go about to look at one of the 1:5.000 Digitale Flurkarten ? I don t seem to be able to find my way around the huge
      Apr 24, 2001 @ 15:09 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
2145. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: DEKU no. 47
      much obliged for all these responses peter & please relax about the scanning as my curiosity is purely idyll & i dont really mind being in the dark & what a
      Apr 24, 2001 @ 16:47 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2146. RE: [BoundaryPoint] 1:5000 map of Jungholz. Help!
      Sorry Mats, I didn t express myself properly (maybe I just wished it was the case) but: You re able to buy almost all Bavarian topomaps and 1:5.000 catastr.
      Apr 24, 2001 @ 16:38 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
2147. RE: [BoundaryPoint] 1:5000 map of Jungholz. Help!
      While enjoying myself on the Bavarian map-site, i took the opportunity of compiling this mosaic of the Jungholz-area:
      Apr 24, 2001 @ 16:45 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
2148. Enclaves
      Thanks everyone for your information. I guess I m still having trouble with this: if Italy says it has no territorial claim to an area, and the Vatican runs
      Apr 24, 2001 @ 18:54 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
2149. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Enclaves
      it only differs in that llivia is also an exclave of spain while the holy see is legally only an exclave of god m
      Apr 24, 2001 @ 19:23 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2150. RE: [BoundaryPoint] 1:5000 map of Jungholz. Help!
      thats ok mate i see you have been right on so far about montenegro but i am more than curious if you or anyone can say when do you think any actual west
      Apr 24, 2001 @ 19:25 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2151. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Enclaves
      Hi Grant & thanks for your comment. ... The Dhekelia Power Station is there, alright, but since I ve listed only enclaves that are also exclaves I haven t
      Apr 24, 2001 @ 19:24 - Rolf Palmberg LI ("Rolf Palmberg LI" <rpalmber@...>)
2152. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: DEKU no. 47
      who me i might fall off craning my neck anyway m
      Apr 24, 2001 @ 19:38 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2153. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Enclaves
      Rolf, I have never heard of the Dhekelia Power Plant. Where is it excactly and how big is the area. And did you go there? Can you also tell us the story of
      Apr 24, 2001 @ 20:07 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2154. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Enclaves
      what yahoo may it help you &or others to know that the bp website search engine does work haltingly well but has to be pulled along by retyping the search word
      Apr 24, 2001 @ 20:33 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2155. Re: Enclaves
      ... exclave! By gad you re right. For some reason I just assumed that a tiny enclave around a power station wouldn t connect to the coast. But I ve just found:
      Apr 24, 2001 @ 20:56 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
2156. dedelulun possibly even in plain view
      well i finally did get a peek at wolfgangs dedelulun pic thanxx again to the kindness & persistence of mats & you are correct as usual peter that delu
      Apr 25, 2001 @ 00:34 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2157. Re: first try at a complete punctoscopy of canada
      I especially like the mess the USGS made of the county names on the map at http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=16&n=3861385&e=399715&size=m. BJB ... of canada
      Apr 25, 2001 @ 01:39 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
2158. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Enclaves
      ... There are 4. The two villages and two areas around the powerstation, divided by a British road. One is on the coast, so it technically not an enclave, BUT
      Apr 25, 2001 @ 04:17 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2159. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Enclaves
      Oops. My answer is still ok, but there was a very annoying typo in ... Rolf ... From: granthutchison@cs.com Reply-To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue,
      Apr 25, 2001 @ 05:43 - Rolf Palmberg LI ("Rolf Palmberg LI" <rpalmber@...>)
2160. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Enclaves
      Brendan s info about two areas around the powerstation is new to me - thanks! Does this show on any map? Rolf ... From: Brendan Whyte
      Apr 25, 2001 @ 05:49 - Rolf Palmberg LI ("Rolf Palmberg LI" <rpalmber@...>)
2161. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Enclaves
      Hi Jesper ... It s clearly shown on most maps (on the coast), but I have to admit I know very little about it. And no, I haven t been there, just passed the
      Apr 25, 2001 @ 07:27 - rpalmber@abo.fi (rpalmber@...)
2162. RE: [BoundaryPoint] dedelulun possibly even in plain view
      ... Colleagues, By chance i found the article Recent Changes in the Benelux-German Boundary , Lewis M Alexander, The Geographical Rewiew (don t know year and
      Apr 25, 2001 @ 07:44 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
2163. Re: dedelulun possibly even in plain view
      A most interesting map, Mats. Although it has nothing to do with the condominia/Vianden boundary issue, it is the first time I see evidence of the war repair
      Apr 25, 2001 @ 08:06 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2164. [No Subject]
      Finally, the (rather large, sorry for that) scan of the Vianden bridgehead. It is a bit blurry at the bottom, because that s where the thing was folded. At the
      Apr 25, 2001 @ 08:52 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
2165. delu river condo summary etc
      thanx again mats all 4 pages received now & thanx to peter too for the gorgeous map i only wondered about kammerwald because i saw it for the first time last
      Apr 25, 2001 @ 10:19 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2166. Indian mess - French to blame?
      India is not known for its simple boundary solutions, but the boundaries of Pondicherry are a bit of a mess, acc. to
      Apr 25, 2001 @ 14:58 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2167. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Indian mess - French to blame?
      a fine mess peter & a nice map of it under the general category of background info i have come to the conclusion that in reality no one is to blame for this
      Apr 25, 2001 @ 16:19 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2168. Map and ortophoto
      Colleagues, if you go to http://stadtplan.bsonline.ch you will find a map and ortophotos of Basel. Enclosed is an area that should be of some interest.
      Apr 25, 2001 @ 16:54 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@lpa.se>)
2169. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Map and ortophoto
      Mats Great picture! Where did you find it? I would like to link to it from borderpictures.com. It s actually an interesting tripoint as the border line of chfr
      Apr 25, 2001 @ 18:33 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2170. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Enclaves
      Rolf, Märket is real a great story. Do you know if the numbers on the map is marked on the ground? Jesper ... From: To:
      Apr 25, 2001 @ 19:07 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2171. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Map and ortophoto
      this is a perfect flying dream mats just to be sure everyone can get it http://stadtplan.bsonline.ch/karte.cfm?PosX=4416&PosY=1083&ParaZoom=500&Jump=4&Z
      Apr 25, 2001 @ 20:00 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2172. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Indian mess - French to blame?
      While India demanded the return of foreign enclaves to the motherland in 1950s and 60s, those of Pakistan in India have sat awaiting India s ratification
      Apr 26, 2001 @ 00:18 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2173. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Indian mess - French to blame?
      Since I started the virtual enclave debate, I feel I should say something. I never actually included the Vatican enclaves as true virtual enclaves, as I am
      Apr 26, 2001 @ 03:18 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
2174. Re: Indian mess - French to blame?
      Thank you Brendan for that lengthy and informative reply on Indian affairs great and small. If the Indians are lucky and willing to accept something from an
      Apr 26, 2001 @ 08:29 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2175. DELU
      now enclosed as MS Word-file i present some additional information s in german language. You will find an explanantion for the several treaty-dates 1815, 1816,
      Apr 26, 2001 @ 13:38 - Gartner Wolfgang (Gartner Wolfgang <WGartner@kliem.de>)
2176. international islands
      arif recently asked ... only an idea but no proof in allocations involving bodies of water & the islands within them the principle of equitability seems to
      Apr 26, 2001 @ 13:54 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2177. Re: [BoundaryPoint] DELU
      much obliged wolfgang since i was at least able to receive the german text in this attachment & am puzzling thru it now while really just beginning to learn
      Apr 26, 2001 @ 14:49 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2178. Re: DELU
      Thank you, Wolfgang. Very valuable information indeed. Still, it not only answers questions, but creates some new ones, too: 1. All islands in the boundary
      Apr 26, 2001 @ 14:44 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2179. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: dedelulun possibly even in plain view
      There were Belgian claims as well. They changed the boundaries of the alnd around the Vennbahn enclaves in the 1950s. BW ...
      Apr 25, 2001 @ 10:09 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2180. Re: Indian mess - French to blame?
      ... The Lateran Treaty certainly makes a clear distinction between the Vatican and these other properties: it uses words like sovereignty , dominion and
      Apr 26, 2001 @ 18:50 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
2181. Re: dedelulun possibly even in plain view
      You re quite right. It can be seen at http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/vor50/0,1518,19056,00.html (the area near Monschau). The map is clickable. The article is
      Apr 26, 2001 @ 19:36 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2182. Vatican Radio - again
      The list of extraterritorial areas was apparently changed at least once, in 1951 (the radio transmitters were added to the list), acc. to
      Apr 26, 2001 @ 20:13 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2183. Re: Vatican Radio - again
      ... Still, it s pretty odd - it is, for instance, very easy to find out a list of British Overseas Territories or US dependencies, and the status of these
      Apr 26, 2001 @ 21:15 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
2184. vatican sovereignty
      grant you were saying here to arif that sovereignty doesnt really achieve its full meaning when applied to the vatican & i understand what you meant too but i
      Apr 27, 2001 @ 00:51 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2185. belize guatemala mexico tricountry point update
      following upon the initial reports by doug in message 857 about this the closest tricountry point to canada & the usa some new bzgtmx leavenings & monumental
      Apr 27, 2001 @ 01:46 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2186. graph of cyprus
      Attached is an excel graph of the gridrefs given for the boundary around enclaves 2 and 2a in Cyprus. Note that in places the boundary follows roads or fences,
      Apr 27, 2001 @ 03:05 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
2187. Re: Enclaves
      ... Can you or Peter H. tell me where to find it? shows two additional enclaves that ... Kirs ... image ... the ... K ... In my old Soviet atlas (1987), I can
      Apr 27, 2001 @ 11:57 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2188. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Enclaves
      ... peter smaardijk wrote ... are you kiddin pal it is both punctological & cockabebble in the extreme & better silly than sorry for i dont know russko & can
      Apr 27, 2001 @ 13:46 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2189. Re: [BoundaryPoint] graph of cyprus
      still blind on this brendan but i too wish you would do it for the other claves as this bodes well for the punctoscopy of the whole island so far we only
      Apr 27, 2001 @ 16:29 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2190. Re: Enclaves
      ... I only know it from Peter s uploaded image, I m afraid. ... of ... town ... of ... Lovely! This ties in with Brendan s estimate of about 6 enclaves in N.K.
      Apr 27, 2001 @ 16:47 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
2191. Re: vatican sovereignty
      ... the ... Hmm. So I guess if *god* doesn t want me to have a list of extraterritorial possessions of the Vatican I m in deep trouble. Grant
      Apr 27, 2001 @ 16:52 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
2192. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: vatican sovereignty
      ... haha i wouldnt imagine so m
      Apr 27, 2001 @ 17:57 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2193. Re: [BoundaryPoint] belize guatemala mexico tricountry point update
      apologies to the other mike donners for reciting myself so much but this bzgtmx situation is really part of a much larger batter & tho it still has a good way
      Apr 27, 2001 @ 17:58 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2194. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Caucasus map info!
      Sorry for the delay, but here s the info on my Caucasus map, bought a couple of months ago in Vienna: Edited by: Freytag & Berndt (Austrian cartographers), a
      Apr 27, 2001 @ 19:19 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
2195. Oman/UAE
      If someone really, really would like to know more about the Oman/UAE border, the litterature mentioned on this link might be a place to start:
      Apr 27, 2001 @ 20:20 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
2196. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Indian mess - French to blame?
      The lovely full colour map of calcutta in the rear of the 1991 census handbook (series 26, part xiiA and xiiB, Calcutta Metropolitan District, Town directory
      Apr 26, 2001 @ 10:36 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2197. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Indian mess - French to blame?
      Brendan, Thank you for the research. I guess Goretty disappeared as an enclave at some time. I have not been able to find the 1991 census handbook, so you
      Apr 27, 2001 @ 21:49 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
2198. Erlengrund Exclave entrance photo
      Have a look at this: http://www.dieberlinermauer.de/berlinwallhome/wall25/wall25.html Doug -- Shoot like a pro? Now sell like a pro! www.stockphotosonline.com
      Apr 27, 2001 @ 22:22 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
2199. Re: Indian mess - French to blame?
      It looks like there are three types of boundary divided islands at stake here: 1. (the bigger islands) There were settlements at different points, from where
      Apr 27, 2001 @ 23:28 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2200. Re: belize guatemala mexico tricountry point update
      ... both the ... Hollering The Marowini/Marouini triangle was awarded to the Netherlands through arbitration by the emperor of Russia in 1891, but it looks
      Apr 28, 2001 @ 00:18 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2201. Re: Caucasus map info!
      ... Thanks for this. Some time, would you be able to check the name of the town in the enclave in the NW of Nagorno-Karabakh for me, please? On the scan it
      Apr 28, 2001 @ 00:29 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
2202. brfrsr & brgysr from bzgtmx
      ahh thanx peter so in this case suriname seems to have a rather good case despite the fact that brazil also places this tripoint to surinames detriment much
      Apr 28, 2001 @ 02:17 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2203. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Oman/UAE
      ... of course & especially since aeomsa is there the only aeom tricountry point if we are still not counting everyones land as a country but since aeomsa seems
      Apr 28, 2001 @ 02:17 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2204. hyper boundaries
      wait peter notwithstanding descheemaeker & the basques on this hyper boundary didnt you conclude in message 1740 that the ile de la conference dry condo
      Apr 28, 2001 @ 02:17 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2205. boundary islets
      arif is right here ... some of my best explanations are mistakes m
      Apr 28, 2001 @ 02:16 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2206. Cyrpus maps
      As usual, anything I post turns up 2-7 days late. SO as you have the graph of the points in the treaty, here are the besic texts of the boundaries in the
      Apr 28, 2001 @ 03:46 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
2207. Namibian islands
      Another delayed mail reposted. sorry about the duplication, but the seocond one often comes through before the first. Does anyoner else have this problem???
      Apr 28, 2001 @ 03:49 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
2208. Re: [BoundaryPoint] divided islands-an answer
      Hi Arif, concerning divided islands in Scandinavia, this is my guess: 1- they act as boundary markers - easy to see, instead of buoys... 2- since most of
      Apr 28, 2001 @ 06:48 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
2209. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Caucasus map info!
      Hi Grant - here it comes: the name of this enclave in Nagorno Karabakh is spelt: Agbadan ! Peter ... From: granthutchison@cs.com Date: Saturday, April 28, 2001
      Apr 28, 2001 @ 06:56 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
2210. Re: hyper boundaries
      ... dry condo ... Yes, I still think this is the situation. ... kind of ... It was meant to mean exactly that. And nothing more should be read into it. It was
      Apr 28, 2001 @ 10:51 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2211. Re: [BoundaryPoint] divided islands-an answer
      Are the divided islands in Scandanavia TURNING POINTS in the boundaries? With the precise turning point at the peak or center of the island? If so, Peter s
      Apr 28, 2001 @ 11:31 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
2212. Re: [BoundaryPoint] divided islands-an answer
      bravo for our most coherent & sensible analysis to date on this or any other topic m
      Apr 28, 2001 @ 14:02 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2213. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: hyper boundaries
      good i like the symbolism too & am guessing it was this specific misstep by descheemaeker onto the ile de la conference condo & out of line with his own
      Apr 28, 2001 @ 14:12 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2214. Re: [BoundaryPoint] divided islands-an answer
      of course of course we are with you what does the flag look like m
      Apr 28, 2001 @ 14:16 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2215. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Namibian islands
      hahahahaha absolutely gorgeous 200nm guano slicks mate incredible about what you have been calling your problem i would say it is actually a benefit to you &
      Apr 28, 2001 @ 14:32 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2216. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cyrpus maps
      excellent pinprick accuracy thats new & nice now can you shine this laser on the tripoints m
      Apr 28, 2001 @ 14:36 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2217. Re: divided islands-an answer
      That is exactly what they are. See messages 1936, 1948 (the link to Statens Kartverk) and 1952. The symbolism of good neighbourhood Peter H. mentions is
      Apr 28, 2001 @ 14:49 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2218. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: divided islands-an answer
      exactly peter but here is the part of your or probably rather descheemaekers symbolism i still dont get i understand that the condo island functions as a
      Apr 28, 2001 @ 15:57 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2219. Re: divided islands-an answer
      The Ile de la Conference being an enclaved condominium is really an assumption I made on the basis of the fact the boundary in the Bidasoa river is defined as
      Apr 28, 2001 @ 16:07 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2220. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: divided islands-an answer
      excellent neighborhood peter your assumption still seems correct to me with no contrary evidence having surfaced & unless an official map or further
      Apr 28, 2001 @ 17:38 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2221. Triple land-locking
      Here s a random thought that has just come to me. I think there are probably only two triple land-locked territories in the world - areas from which you can t
      Apr 28, 2001 @ 21:11 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
2222. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Triple land-locking
      yess 2222 m
      Apr 28, 2001 @ 22:15 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2223. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Triple land-locking
      That would seem right. Not counting Nagorno or Palestinian west bank, Tibet, or SMOM: triple-landlocked: 0 countries, 1 enclave, one counter-counter-enclave. =
      Apr 29, 2001 @ 01:52 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2224. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Triple land-locking
      standing ovation recreational geographics have arrived my only question is about your approx 200 unlandlocked countries as i had thought there were only about
      Apr 29, 2001 @ 02:48 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2225. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Triple land-locking
      whoops, i get 196, inc taiwan but not palestine. So 150odd unlandlocked. I must have been thinking of political entities, including offshore dependencies.
      Apr 29, 2001 @ 04:03 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2226. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Triple land-locking
      Hello Brendan, Is this the first time Hutt River Province is mentioned in any serious international law context? Or have I missed something? Brendan, as you
      Apr 29, 2001 @ 05:56 - Bernhard (Bernhard <tardis@...-net.de>)
2227. namibian islands
      Here s the map of the Namibian islands claimed by South Africa probably until 1994 when it ceded Walvis Bay. From Lynn berat, 1990, Walvis Bay Decolonisation
      Apr 27, 2001 @ 02:23 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
2228. how many countries in the world
      brendan recently ... thanx presumably this includes hutt & 3 others since most almanacs & similar refs say 192 namely the 189 members of the united nations
      Apr 29, 2001 @ 14:02 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2229. Re: [BoundaryPoint] namibian islands
      the attachment in message 2207 is better & this is worth a double take anyway m
      Apr 29, 2001 @ 14:06 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2230. mental maps by heart link
      http://www.mapping.com is mill for the grist & good thought for food m
      Apr 29, 2001 @ 15:00 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2231. Re: Triple land-locking
      ... Cyprus [1 ... own] ... Presumably the Indian and Bangladeshi enclaves should be in there, too? A bit of subtraction using your figures gives me 107 Indian
      Apr 29, 2001 @ 15:30 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
2232. Re: how many countries in the world
      ... I was surprised to see the UK (my native soil) credited with only 191 in this list. I checked out the link on the Countries by Heart site you mention,
      Apr 29, 2001 @ 23:48 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
2233. Re: [BoundaryPoint] how many countries in the world
      I got my count of a website, that listed countries of the world, so I may have miscounted. Are places like Tuvalu and andoraa UN members? How about cook
      Apr 30, 2001 @ 01:02 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2234. Cyprus enclaves. I count 4.
      Here s the maps I have of the Cyprus enclaves in UKSB areas. These are form the UN Treaty Series, v382. They are originally 1:100 000. There is a 1km grid
      Apr 27, 2001 @ 02:51 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
2235. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Triple land-locking
      ... There is great confusion over the number of Indi-Bangla enclaves. From my research it appears there were 130 INdian and 95 Bangla enclaves c.1960 (when
      Apr 30, 2001 @ 01:30 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2236. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: how many countries in the world
      yes thanx grant & i trust you are right as it was just that a browse of search results turned up all these numbers at random from various sources of unknown
      Apr 30, 2001 @ 01:46 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2237. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cyprus enclaves. I count 4.
      the attachments in this message & 2227 dont seem to be working properly also i noticed they contain only 1k maybe this is connected with that other anomaly you
      Apr 30, 2001 @ 01:56 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2238. clave census etc
      brendan your recent mention of the sealess coastal enclave on cyprus & your reference to offshore dependencies in the followup message raise several old & new
      Apr 30, 2001 @ 02:01 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2239. Re: [BoundaryPoint] clave census etc
      I think we would need to have some sory of poll or vote on the issues of terminology, since I seem to disagree with Brendan on a lot of this and I feel that my
      Apr 30, 2001 @ 11:11 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
2240. first try at a complete clavoscopy of the usa
      as mentioned have been trying to answer some clave questions myself lately taking the usa as an example & this is a very crude try for lack of the right
      Apr 30, 2001 @ 11:51 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2241. Re: [BoundaryPoint] clave census etc
      great thank you & i would wish everyone to be comfortable & at home with this too like for me the debate isnt secondary but third or fourth to the striving
      Apr 30, 2001 @ 13:21 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2242. Re: how many countries in the world
      ... They are. Lots of out-of-the-way Pacific and Central African nations turn up among the U.N. 189. ... They re self-governing in free association with New
      Apr 30, 2001 @ 14:41 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
2243. Re: how many countries in the world
      ... count Oops, sorry - it s just that the mental maps site gives various how- many-countries links, including one for 191 countries recognised by the U.K. I
      Apr 30, 2001 @ 14:45 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
2244. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: how many countries in the world
      perfectly all right & glad to see you jumping around with me m
      Apr 30, 2001 @ 15:27 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2245. Re: clave census etc
      ... issues of ... and I ... what to ... OK. Here s a fool (ie someone who is only guessing the meaning of mereotopological ) who is prepared to rush in where
      Apr 30, 2001 @ 22:12 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
2246. Re: [BoundaryPoint] clave census etc
      I think land/water is a reasonable divide. Rivers and lakes are often used as boundaries, for the obvious reason that they provide an obvious and natural
      May 01, 2001 @ 00:43 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2247. Re: [BoundaryPoint] clave census etc
      If water makes an exclave, then every island is an exclave. 10,000 exclaves in Minnesota, 100,000 in Manitoba, even more in Finland... Exclaves are extremely
      May 01, 2001 @ 01:00 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
2248. Re: [BoundaryPoint] clave census etc
      Exactly! a state with many islands is less than ideal for administration purposes, of course if most of the islands are tiny and uninhabited, there is less of
      May 01, 2001 @ 01:18 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2249. Re: [BoundaryPoint] clave census etc
      ... But Brendan, you must recognize that this is just your personal opinion!! There is no logic that supports you claim. In counter, I can claim that it
      May 01, 2001 @ 01:32 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
2250. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Triple land-locking
      Whoops. In single landlocked I forgot 200 normal enclaves at cooch Behar. Problem is, the offical lists give as enclaves individual villages, several of which
      Apr 29, 2001 @ 02:09 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2251. Fiat boundaries
      Which international boundaries are 100% fiat, meaning 100% straight? On the map I see: Morocco-Western Sahara Algeria-Mauretania Western Sahara-Algeria
      May 01, 2001 @ 05:45 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2252. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fiat boundaries
      in practical reality probably none of them since surveys have generally wandered a bit not to mention the earth curvature like even the famous colorado &
      May 01, 2001 @ 09:22 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2253. ok so where are we
      congrats all around on a propitious beginning so far we have one mereotopology of claves based on political boundaries alone & another based on the boundaries
      May 01, 2001 @ 09:22 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2254. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: clave census etc
      recently granted ... very allowing of you good chap still preferring to use words at least somewhat according to their meaning & since they do reflect &
      May 01, 2001 @ 09:23 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2255. Fly river
      Thinking about the subject of straight borders, something that I have wondered about for a long time came up again. The island of New Guinea is divided by a
      May 01, 2001 @ 09:26 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2256. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fly river
      Victor Prescott s book should have the details. you can buy copies from him. Email j.prescott@geography.unimelb.edu.au and ask for his Map of Mainland Asia by
      May 01, 2001 @ 11:08 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2257. Re: Fly river
      I should have searched more thoroughly first and asked then. The boundary treaty (an astonishingly short one, but then again this boundary is not too
      May 01, 2001 @ 12:20 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2258. Re: [BoundaryPoint] clave census etc
      First, the cyprus maps came out ok for me on the first but not second post. How about the rest of you? I will repost if necessary. As there are somewhere in
      Apr 30, 2001 @ 03:12 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2259. Please Take Advantage of the Files Section!
      Just a suggestion, but it would be great if individuals posting maps and photos as attachments *ALSO* take advantage of the BoundaryPoint s FILES function by
      May 01, 2001 @ 13:08 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
2260. Re: [BoundaryPoint] clave census etc
      all swell & many thanx your states as living objects here is a leading edge thought & inviting to enlarge upon m
      May 01, 2001 @ 15:28 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2261. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Fly river
      peter are you kiddin it is good to see you anyway ... do you mean the guessing wasnt as much fun as the searching or the discovering & what a rare treat
      May 01, 2001 @ 15:50 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2262. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fly river
      Sorry to inform you of this, but the Papua New Guinea-Indonesia boundary is not completely straight even when you discount Fly River. Yes, there are two
      May 01, 2001 @ 16:16 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
2263. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fly river
      ... no problem pet good for a dab of contrast value & we love rehabilitating everything here as it happens my own life was once actually saved by devils
      May 01, 2001 @ 16:18 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2264. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Triple land-locking
      No, i was just noting that the count of countries is subjective: Palestine, Taiwan, Tibet, Seeland ,Hutt River, East Timor, SMOM... it all depends on your
      Apr 29, 2001 @ 08:00 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2265. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Please Take Advantage of the Files Section!
      Then again, I tried doing just that this morning, and it didn t work...go figure. Bill ... From: Bill Hanrahan To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday,
      May 01, 2001 @ 16:11 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
2266. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Please Take Advantage of the Files Section!
      good to hear from you bill good idea too also my pleasure to report to you & wishfully all of you via this double bank shot try that my previous 3 messages
      May 01, 2001 @ 18:02 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2267. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Fly river
      peter are you kiddin it is good to see you anyway ... do you mean the guessing wasnt as much fun as the searching or the discovering & what a rare treat
      May 01, 2001 @ 18:07 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2268. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fly river
      ... no problem pet good for a dab of contrast value & we love rehabilitating everything here as it happens my own life was once actually saved by devils
      May 01, 2001 @ 18:08 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2269. Re: [BoundaryPoint] clave census etc
      all swell & many thanx your states as living objects here is a leading edge thought & inviting to enlarge upon m
      May 01, 2001 @ 18:06 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2270. Re: ok so where are we
      Country count Michael, if it helps, I ve attached a list of the 192 core countries that seem to have the most wide-spread recognition. Any tripoint survey
      May 01, 2001 @ 19:38 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
2271. all systems now blinking green
      good to hear from you bill good idea too the pause function is now clearing effectively also my pleasure to report to you & wishfully all of you via this
      May 01, 2001 @ 18:35 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2272. Re: ok so where are we (correction)
      Oops. Of course, This, I think, is the only land-surface boundary between country and dependency should have read This, I think, is the only land-surface
      May 01, 2001 @ 20:08 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
2273. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Please Take Advantage of the Files Section!
      ... i figger its our collective energy flow just swooping around the planet & sometimes leaving apparent gaps which one can feel lucky to find & occupy for as
      May 01, 2001 @ 22:00 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2274. Re: Fly river
      Don t be sorry, Arif. I don t like straight boundaries more than other ones, and anyway, there is more of a story to it when it is not a perfectly straight
      May 01, 2001 @ 21:29 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2275. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fly river
      Sorry, Frontiers of Asian and southeast Asia. which covers Afghanistan through to Indonesia-Australian and PNg-Austrlaian boundaries. Map of Mainland Asia
      May 02, 2001 @ 00:00 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2276. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Fly river
      (HMS Fly). I wonder what the ship was named after... It was probablty small, and black ,and darted about annoying Her Majesty s enemies, landing in their ice
      May 02, 2001 @ 00:12 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2277. clave typology & inventory in process
      nice going grant this consensus census & most nearly official inventory of the sovereign countries of the world certainly does move things along it isnt &
      May 02, 2001 @ 05:02 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2278. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Fly river
      the 2 sovereign divas themselves actually boogie forth in plain view ... Yep, nothing worse than flopping your full power on the table in front of other
      May 02, 2001 @ 00:19 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2279. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fiat boundaries
      jesper this question is more fascinating & playful than i first realized & your list might be increased by the following tho i am not sure about several of
      May 02, 2001 @ 06:03 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2280. Re: Fly river
      Thanks a lot, Brendan! Not only have you answered the question why the Fly became a boundary (headhunters have always been a problem in this area, and
      May 02, 2001 @ 06:45 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2281. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fiat boundaries
      ahh now i think i see what you really meant a single sector straight line boundary with no deliberate deflections a much more special category than i
      May 02, 2001 @ 13:48 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2282. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fiat boundaries
      & jesper of these 5 or 3 singular fiat boundaries we have found your chad nigeria line is probably the truest & purest in the world by virtue of being totally
      May 02, 2001 @ 16:43 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2283. Re: Fiat boundaries
      ... single ... Not deflected, but Lake Chad being a very salty one with fluctuating amounts of water (+salt) in it, there are possibly (also fluctuating)
      May 02, 2001 @ 17:41 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2284. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fiat boundaries
      The Nigeria-Chad boundary is a funny fish! And so is Lake Chad - on some maps the boundary is entirely wet, on some it is half wet, on some it cut islands, and
      May 02, 2001 @ 19:27 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2285. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fiat boundaries
      slight retrenchment from previous exuberance since both of the tripoints defining the wet singular fiat chad nigeria boundary are legally indefinite & have
      May 02, 2001 @ 19:50 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2286. Re: clave typology & inventory in process
      ... will bite ... That tripoint is well worth keeping on the back burner, however, since the U.N. are still pushing in a low key sort of way for the
      May 02, 2001 @ 16:31 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
2287. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Fiat boundaries
      peter mentioned ... actually it is now a completely dry line as recent photos clearly show in http://www.afrol.com/Categories/Environment/env062_lake_chad.htm
      May 02, 2001 @ 22:38 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2288. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fiat boundaries
      sounds interesting fill us in further if or when you can m The Nigeria-Chad boundary is a funny fish! And so is Lake Chad - on some maps the boundary
      May 02, 2001 @ 22:42 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2289. Re: ok so where are we
      ... frontier ... fractal ... Oh, and of course there s the ever-popular option f): Ethnic cleansing. Grant
      May 02, 2001 @ 16:34 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
2290. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fiat boundaries
      By the way, fiat boundaries don t have to be straight lines. Fiat boundaries are any boundaries that are located where they are because some authority declared
      May 02, 2001 @ 22:45 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
2291. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ok so where are we
      ... I think the 111 and 51 are 1st and THIRD order, but exclude 2nd order. The figures are often listed as EXCHAGEABLE enclaves, which is first and third order
      May 02, 2001 @ 23:55 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2292. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Fiat boundaries
      Interesting about Iraq-Jordan. My newest atlas show a straight line, but expedia.com shows a zig zag. Is the caus border between Point Roberts and Lake Wood
      May 03, 2001 @ 05:35 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2293. Re: Fiat boundaries
      I wonder, since those boundaries were never defined, whether the states that were adjacent to the lake when it was still a lake and not a puddle, now want
      May 03, 2001 @ 08:07 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2294. Re: Fiat boundaries
      It just occured to me: if the countries could decide that each of it has to be bordering on the lake as long as it s there, then a real quadripoint will emerge
      May 03, 2001 @ 08:12 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2295. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fiat boundaries
      of course you are right as usual david & it makes me want to exchange the term singular fiat boundaries for which we have now most probably affirmed in
      May 03, 2001 @ 16:22 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2296. apparently normal again
      woke up this morning without my brendan waves who has them now instant m
      May 03, 2001 @ 16:29 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2297. caus straight or irregular
      actually brian has filed the ultimate dissertation on this topic but it would take a search or a chase goose to get us back to it i think one basic point of
      May 03, 2001 @ 17:13 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2298. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Fiat boundaries
      nice thinking tho now would you apply your powers to bwnazmzw too where we do stand a snowballs chance in chad m
      May 03, 2001 @ 17:17 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2299. Re: [BoundaryPoint] caus straight or irregular
      The CA-US border (Lake of the Woods to Point Robers) consists of a number of straight segments between boundary markers, it is sometimes as far as 1/4 mile
      May 03, 2001 @ 17:37 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
2300. Re: [BoundaryPoint] caus straight or irregular
      That rises a few questions: 1) Is the CA-US border (Lake of the Woods to Point Roberts) the 49th parallel and the markers wrong? Do the local know the actual
      May 03, 2001 @ 20:09 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2301. Re: caus straight or irregular
      You mean that along loxodromes the magnetic north is in exactly the same direction, or do you mean true north? I thought it was true north, actually, but I m
      May 03, 2001 @ 20:33 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2302. defrlu
      I think this is another defrlu hit. http://www.jv.dk/vis_stor_billed_1.asp?idnr=GBL30MEK.1 Jesper
      May 03, 2001 @ 20:56 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2303. Re: [BoundaryPoint] caus straight or irregular
      http://www.geocan.nrcan.gc.ca/ibc/coordinates/SECT-M-83.txt offers a fully illuminated & enjoyable ride west to east from which i was able to extrapolate the
      May 04, 2001 @ 00:19 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2304. new caus questions
      jesper ... the markers mark the true border & most locals probably know that the markers are a bit off the 49th parallel because the original surveys many
      May 04, 2001 @ 00:22 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2305. loxodromes
      ... me too but me too ... would that be the oblate ellipsoid thingie might affect great circle measurements on the order of 1 percent or maybe 1 tenth of a
      May 04, 2001 @ 00:38 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2306. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: caus straight or irregular
      ... True north. A loxodrome by definition maintains the same angle relative to true north. ... Earth is approximately an oblate spheroid, i.e. flattened
      May 04, 2001 @ 00:56 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
2307. Re: [BoundaryPoint] defrlu
      yes & i think i can see that dedelufr delufr delufrlu dipunctitriline there with my minds eye running off across the island & river between the 2 bridges &
      May 04, 2001 @ 01:13 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2308. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Fly river
      Yes, what i meant was it was easier for the Fly to be on the border, and so the whole of the river was then accessible for British subjects to enter and follow
      May 04, 2001 @ 04:48 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2309. Re: [BoundaryPoint] caus straight or irregular
      ... No, the markers are on the 49th, but because the 49th is not a great circle, it is not a straight line itself, but a curve concave north. So to overcome
      May 04, 2001 @ 08:15 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2310. Re: defrlu
      Not quite. The bridge in the background is a new motorway bridge that hasn t been finished yet. You can see a very small tip of the suspected dry condo at the
      May 04, 2001 @ 09:15 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2311. glenelg river etc
      so from what you indicate brendan it appears the glenelg actually does run in both directions how many rivers are there that can back up such a preposterous
      May 04, 2001 @ 15:04 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2312. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: defrlu
      right another nice catch the only boundaries in frame are delulu & dedelu running the full length of the near & far banks respectively no part of the
      May 04, 2001 @ 15:05 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2313. Re: [BoundaryPoint] caus straight or irregular
      according to the ibc data there are only 9 monuments anywhere in this series lying anywhere within 5 feet of the true 49th parallel 420 492 493 494 581 878 879
      May 04, 2001 @ 15:04 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2314. Re: [BoundaryPoint] glenelg river etc
      From a careful re-reading of Brendan s posting I don t see why you think the river flows in both directions. Brendan DESCRIBED it starting at the mouth and
      May 04, 2001 @ 15:17 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
2315. Re: [BoundaryPoint] glenelg river etc
      you are right it was only because i was rereading it in both directions other rivers & streams of this rare type appear to include aa france afa
      May 04, 2001 @ 16:42 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2316. Old dedk border
      Last photo og http://www.graenseregionsyd.dk/htm/5-turisme.htm show old dedk border before 1920 with boundary marker. Jesper
      May 04, 2001 @ 19:18 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2317. Re: [BoundaryPoint] caus straight or irregular
      It s interesting that demarcation actually changes the border. I guess the same will happen to eg Egypt-Libya in due time. What does the caus treaty say in any
      May 04, 2001 @ 19:18 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2318. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fiat boundaries
      ... Define straight . Especially on a sphere. The only stright line on a sphere occurs on a great circle. A line following any parallel apart fomr the equator
      May 02, 2001 @ 00:50 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2319. Re: glenelg river etc
      ... Ha! What a marvellous list! Did you compile it yourself (and if so, how?), or did you find it somewhere? Smiling broadly, Grant
      May 04, 2001 @ 19:39 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
2320. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tp Mocam-Zimb-S Afr N
      http://www.mandela.de/suedafrika/mbuzini/mbuzinihtm.htm Post from the witness: Hi there! Yes, that is the triple point, but it isa a long time ago, that I
      May 04, 2001 @ 20:12 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2321. how the fly got its name
      i know many of you have been wanting an answer to the question of how the fly river got its name the source could have been my old unreliable world atlas which
      May 05, 2001 @ 03:24 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
2322. Re: how the fly got its name
      oops having some technical difficulties with the attachment trying it again now m
      May 04, 2001 @ 20:39 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2323. one last try
      oh well you probably know what i mean anyway m
      May 04, 2001 @ 20:48 - jane capellaro (jane capellaro <j@discovernet.net>)
2324. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: glenelg river etc
      thanx pal yes i did just put it together now mostly from memory but several of the more obscure items i found only in the palindromicon by jeff grant word
      May 04, 2001 @ 21:10 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2325. Re: [BoundaryPoint] caus straight or irregular
      jesper It s interesting that demarcation actually changes the border. yes indeed now that you mention it a cogent & original observation I guess the
      May 04, 2001 @ 21:47 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2326. Re: one last try
      Yeah I can imagine (Rand McNallies knees-up that is). I used to work at a geographical data company like that. Until they went bust (one month ago that was.
      May 04, 2001 @ 21:38 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2327. brgyve
      http://www.hory.applet.cz/venezuela/ven_ror3_e.html
      May 04, 2001 @ 21:49 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2328. "just" a US tripoint
      http://www.tchgrey.com/Travel/NA/NY/PortJervis.html
      May 04, 2001 @ 21:52 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2329. planted in my mailbox
      
      May 04, 2001 @ 22:05 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2330. Re: Fiat boundaries
      I suspect that in a lot of cases, the principle of the boundary lay- out is specified in a treaty (like the 49 deg. line ), but the actual demarcation is left
      May 04, 2001 @ 21:56 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2331. Re: brgyve
      The reason for Venezuela to be such spoil-sports can be found here: http://www.guyanaguide.com/border/joseph.html Peter S.
      May 04, 2001 @ 22:02 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2332. Unknown
      CZ???? http://www.mariz.cz/eng/main.htm
      May 04, 2001 @ 22:05 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2333. Re: Unknown
      The village of Mariz (caron on r and z, acute on i) can be found near the Czech town of Slavonice (w.s.w. of it ), on the atcz border. Why it should be a
      May 04, 2001 @ 22:12 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2334. Re: [BoundaryPoint] "just" a US tripoint
      That was the first tri-state point I visited. When we finally got there, there was a fisherman sitting in all three states, i.e., sitting on the marker. He
      May 04, 2001 @ 22:44 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
2335. Re: caus straight or irregular
      Re Peter s point about approximations to the shape of the earth. The sphere is a first approximation. After that come various second approximations, all oblate
      May 04, 2001 @ 22:52 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
2336. Re: [BoundaryPoint] brgyve
      well the bp daily digest has just arrived here & i must say that was our best & most riotous free for all to date & finest happy hour imo dozens of messages
      May 05, 2001 @ 02:54 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2337. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Fiat boundaries
      couldnt follow the dutch so well but it strikes me as very curious that areas subject to the accumulation of sand dunes would be specially marked by such low
      May 05, 2001 @ 02:54 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2338. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Unknown
      awfully sensible guess tho conceiving it as the double ghost tricountry point atbohe as well as the single ghost binational tripoint atcz2boheni the ni btw
      May 05, 2001 @ 13:23 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2339. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Unknown Tp!
      Peter S. - yes, maybe a wild guess - but a good one, as well !!! I just checked it out - one of the most valuable books in my collection is an old Allgemeiner
      May 05, 2001 @ 13:26 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
2340. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: caus straight or irregular
      exquisitely done maestro can you also say which of the 3 choices gps survey technology adopts & whether this points to a most consensual usage or is it
      May 05, 2001 @ 13:51 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2341. Re: Fiat boundaries
      I too think that this is strange. But some stones have metal rods planted on them, 1.20 m long, with a small sign on top, on which probably used to be a
      May 05, 2001 @ 13:57 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2342. m@d dam
      rivers running in both directions redoubled by water over the dam in all 4 as promised m
      May 05, 2001 @ 14:14 - jane capellaro (jane capellaro <j@discovernet.net>)
2343. Re: caus straight or irregular
      ... The basis for GPS is the WGS84 ellipsoid. But my (rather elderly) GPS receiver provides conversion to many local mapping systems, based on many
      May 05, 2001 @ 14:21 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
2344. Re: [BoundaryPoint] "just" a US tripoint
      may all our tripointing be so poignant & just for us & everyone with the pointed exception of ctmari of course could you believe that goulash tho musta been
      May 05, 2001 @ 17:13 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2345. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tp Mocam-Zimb-S Afr N
      from what all your presumably nonlocal informants & specifically your sun god witness & the photo captions say it seems likely that you have mzszzan within the
      May 05, 2001 @ 19:15 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2346. how many model earths & how much do they vary
      ok major thanx again grant so i am still not sure i have understood everything yet but it appears there may actually be 4 distinct levels of accuracy
      May 05, 2001 @ 20:03 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2347. Re: [BoundaryPoint] planted in my mailbox
      That s only the tip of the iceberg in our fair dominion. Try this one on for size: Ontario privacy commissioner denounces mail opening
      May 05, 2001 @ 20:00 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
2348. Re: [BoundaryPoint] planted in my mailbox
      hahaha but you know canada is actually the civilized & better half of our continent at least you guys are officially & explicitly committed to privacy there &
      May 05, 2001 @ 21:20 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2349. Re: how many model earths & how much do they vary
      ... Actually only three - spheroid and ellipsoid are interchangeable terms, the first being a little antique. In the U.K. we had until recently the
      May 05, 2001 @ 21:14 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
2350. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: how many model earths & how much do they vary
      beauty grant i am very pleased with both of us curiously my old unreliable dictionary that i like to keep next to my old unreliable atlas was misleading me by
      May 06, 2001 @ 00:01 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2351. Re: how many model earths & how much do they vary
      ... my old ... particular ... one of ... sections ... True enough. It s just that all the reference ellipsoids used here are oblate ellipsoids of rotation
      May 06, 2001 @ 00:46 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
2352. UK zoomable map
      http://www.ordsvy.gov.uk/ has a nice zommable map function. Zoom into the IEUK border. Jesper
      May 06, 2001 @ 16:31 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2353. April update
      http://www.borderpictures.com has been trimmed. I few broken links are gone (sorry!!) and some added. Jesper
      May 06, 2001 @ 19:42 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2354. Enclave access
      Musing on the freedom of access to some enclaves: Busingen, Madha, Campione, Llivia, Baarle, through which one can drive or walk without hindrance. Access to
      May 07, 2001 @ 00:38 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
2355. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Enclave access
      The Cooch Behar enclaves are freely accessible, you can just wlak in, but if one asks for official permission, one runs into the bureaucracy. Neither countyr
      May 07, 2001 @ 02:27 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2356. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Enclave access
      Hi Grant, the two Cypriot villages are very easy to visit, as there are no borders whatsoever between British and Cypriot territories - for someone actually
      May 07, 2001 @ 05:27 - rpalmber@abo.fi (rpalmber@...)
2357. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tp Mocam-Zimb-S Afr N
      I have had no problem buying topo maps ofmr south africe. Write to them by normal mail and they will send you their catalogue and they take visa, so it is easy
      May 05, 2001 @ 10:06 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2358. Old boundary marker
      Not a photograph, but a painting of an old boundary marker of the empire of Alexander the Great near Kabul. I wonder whether it s still there, or that it has
      May 08, 2001 @ 16:21 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2359. global clave census in progress
      since we now have good reason to expect accurate bengal clave counts later this year from brendan & since we are not aware of any other outstanding de jure
      May 08, 2001 @ 22:05 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2360. accommodation in Baarle
      For those of you going on the tripoint tour in September, may I recommend the following accommodation options: IF stopping at the Vennbahn enclaves, there is a
      May 09, 2001 @ 02:08 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2361. accommodation in Baarle
      For those of you going on the tripoint tour in September, may I recommend the following accommodation options: IF stopping at the Vennbahn enclaves, there is a
      May 09, 2001 @ 02:09 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2362. accommodation in Baarle
      For those of you going on the tripoint tour in September, may I recommend the following accommodation options: IF stopping at the Vennbahn enclaves, there is a
      May 09, 2001 @ 02:09 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2363. accommodation in Baarle
      For those of you going on the tripoint tour in September, may I recommend the following accommodation options: IF stopping at the Vennbahn enclaves, there is a
      May 09, 2001 @ 02:10 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2364. chdefr
      http://www.imasy.org/~kei-aso/mov/drei.mov
      May 09, 2001 @ 04:56 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2365. Re: global clave census in progress
      In this story the figure 12 nautical miles is constantly mentioned, but I think it has to be mentioned too that this is not just 12 nm from the coast line; it
      May 09, 2001 @ 06:49 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2366. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: global clave census in progress
      The problem with Gibraltar is Spain doesn t recognize it. And Morocco doesn t recognize Ceuta. So whose waters are there is a moot point. See O Reilly, 1994
      May 09, 2001 @ 07:25 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2367. Re: global clave census in progress
      ... azerbaijan ... According to my old Soviet atlas, Rolf is right. One of these Azeri enclaves belongs to Nakhichevan. Still, since this map is not very
      May 09, 2001 @ 07:39 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2368. Re: global clave census in progress
      This problem with Gibraltar being British and Ceuta Spanish doesn t help matters, that s true. But I was really wondering whether in narrow, but important sea
      May 09, 2001 @ 07:50 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2369. Re: global clave census in progress
      Peter: Straits used for international navigation get a whole section of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea to themselves (see Part III of the
      May 09, 2001 @ 12:43 - Martin Pratt ("Martin Pratt" <m.a.pratt@...>)
2370. Passing foreign territory
      Thanks Martin! So Ceuta and Spain could very well be linked by Spanish territorial sea. You mentioning the fact that the states adjoining the Strait of
      May 09, 2001 @ 13:40 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2371. Re: [BoundaryPoint] accommodation in Baarle-thanks Brendan!
      Thanks Brendan for your concern regarding accomodation-but everything has been taken care of in the mean- time... found a hotel in Baarle-H. just a few hundred
      May 09, 2001 @ 13:58 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
2372. Re: global clave census in progress
      I guess I feel unhappy with using the 12nm limit, simply because it does chop up island groups that *feel* contiguous - Michael s 14 bits of the Coral Sea
      May 09, 2001 @ 17:16 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
2373. Re: global clave census in progress
      I can understand completely your unease, Grant. But to expand the thing from the terr. waters to EEZ s is really expanding the notion in order to feel more at
      May 09, 2001 @ 17:38 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2374. Re: global clave census in progress
      ... The flip side is that we shouldn t make ourselves uneasy in order to hang on to a maritime/terrestrial analogy that s far from perfect. And there are
      May 09, 2001 @ 19:55 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
2375. re conclave in process
      thank you all for the many excellent clave thoughts & i would like to proceed however & whenever possible tho i will soon be going out to play for a few weeks
      May 10, 2001 @ 05:49 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2376. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: global clave census in progress
      thanx for these & your other comments peter all good points 12nm from coasts & baselines as claimed should probably be the standard i agree rather than
      May 10, 2001 @ 05:50 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2377. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: global clave census in progress
      martin was saying ... & this is the only peg we have to hang our analytic hat on in this area but it ought to be sufficient both for this area & generally tho
      May 10, 2001 @ 05:52 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2378. Re: [BoundaryPoint] chdefr
      couldnt access can you describe it m
      May 10, 2001 @ 05:52 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2379. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: how many model earths & how much do they vary
      would have said so sooner but was distracted this was a perfect conclusion to a perfect extended lesson for me & i hope everyone got so much out of it all as i
      May 10, 2001 @ 05:53 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2380. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Old boundary marker
      at last a mate worthy of breintenstein are there any other infos or guesses available m
      May 10, 2001 @ 05:53 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2381. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Passing foreign territory
      interesting as usual peter another example occurs on interstate highway 684 which crosses the westernmost corner of connecticut without affording any direct
      May 10, 2001 @ 05:54 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2382. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Passing foreign territory
      ... According to the map in O Reilly they are. ... [...etc] Agreements over roads/rail are different to at sea, because at sea it is international law that
      May 10, 2001 @ 00:34 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2383. Re: Passing foreign territory
      ... it is ... passage. I am sorry if I have given you the impression that I thought it wasn t different. I understand very well that it is. ... and roads ...
      May 10, 2001 @ 07:42 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2384. Re: Passing foreign territory
      ... I suspect that this name applies to all of the Czech territory around the city of Sluknov (caron on S). ... This description is not accurate. The short
      May 10, 2001 @ 07:59 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2385. Re: Passing foreign territory
      Michael, do you recall if I-684 is marked as such? I drove it years ago, but can t remember if the boundary was marked at each end. Bill
      May 10, 2001 @ 10:59 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
2386. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Passing foreign territory
      this title sounds like we have been eating track again but it is a funny mile or so of it there i used to drive the whole stretch regularly in fact ever
      May 10, 2001 @ 15:12 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2387. oz breakthroughs
      too speechless to harp on the 7 hitherto unmentioned but clearly authentic ozzie exclave enclaves in papua which so stunned me earlier this week i was also
      May 10, 2001 @ 15:47 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2388. claves as bubbles
      this is probably not the first single clave erected into a web page but it may be the first called bubbleland http://motelmag.com/articles/bubbleland.html i
      May 10, 2001 @ 15:58 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2389. Time zone boundaries
      In my old job, I was once asked if it is possible in the United States to say in which time zone an address is located from the state or county it is in.
      May 10, 2001 @ 20:15 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2390. Re: Time zone boundaries
      Just found an article about Gulf county s time warp: http://www.newsherald.com/archive/gulf/td070298.htm . On the little map, White City is sitting right on
      May 10, 2001 @ 20:27 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2391. World 200nm EEZ survey
      Since I seem to be the champion of the 200nm Exclusive Economic Zone territorial limit, I thought I d revisit Michael s posting 1281, and provide what
      May 10, 2001 @ 22:17 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
2392. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Time zone boundaries
      according to my recent )undated) rand mcnally atlas, the time zone boundary follows Apalachicola R from Lake seminole to the head of an inlet N of Bay city.
      May 11, 2001 @ 02:22 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2393. gulf county
      Looking at the De Lorme Atals, the Intracoastal waterway would seem to be the spot chosen for the line. It and the swamp around it isolated the south of Gulf
      May 11, 2001 @ 04:30 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2394. Re: [BoundaryPoint] World 200nm EEZ survey
      beautifully done once again grant i am your greatest fan in this even if i have turned my attention to the 12nm limits for actually the 2 versions of reality
      May 11, 2001 @ 07:09 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2395. more about clave counting
      thanx again to grant now the 12nmers will have to play catch up so everyone please do feel free to run or not to run with any or all of this counting
      May 11, 2001 @ 07:10 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2396. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Time zone boundaries
      nice hole in reality peter which i chanced to visit recently while en route from alflga to shore dinner in apalachicola but unwittingly since i am normally
      May 11, 2001 @ 07:11 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2397. Thanks
      Hello Mats Thanks alot for the great material. So far I have only scanned through it, and I look forward to seeing you in June. I have plenty of questions for
      May 11, 2001 @ 10:06 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2398. Re: Time zone boundaries
      In my US atlas (some promotional one, issued by an insurance company, but the small print say it is Rand McNally, 1997), I have found these cases where a time
      May 11, 2001 @ 10:50 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2399. Re: gulf county
      ... to be ... the south ... to the ... unrailed, seems ... Florida. ... slightly ... the ... I think the waterway is the most logical choice, too. Rand McNally
      May 11, 2001 @ 11:12 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2400. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Time zone boundaries
      hahahaha first you amaze & delight us by saying you know of only one case keeping us up half the night marvelling at your precious rarity then you amaze &
      May 11, 2001 @ 13:38 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2401. Re: Time zone boundaries
      I did know of one case, but then I thought of checking it in an atlas as well... It is not the first time here at BoundaryPoint that I ask something, and then
      May 11, 2001 @ 13:46 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2402. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Time zone boundaries
      heres to lost sleep & all dreams postponed but it is also wonderful to be roused into seeing that time zones in the usa at least have always been rather flakey
      May 11, 2001 @ 16:53 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2403. iqkwsa
      http://www.lava.net/~fstop/egypt.html Yes, I know it is a satellite shot, but the borders are amazingly clear. Jesper
      May 11, 2001 @ 17:49 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2404. testing etc
      just testing the new facilities pardon i didnt get that iqkwsa shot from outer space either except maybe if it landed a few countries short also it turns out
      May 11, 2001 @ 19:35 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
2405. Re: testing etc
      ... What do you mean? ... Me neither.. Jesper, please, be more precise (is it the right url?). This should be the old quadripoint iqkwsa+neutral, I guess. ...
      May 11, 2001 @ 21:28 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2406. Re: World 200nm EEZ survey
      ... Ah but. Peter just wrote how as soon as he posts a question here, he finds the answer for himself. Preserving the 12nm/200nm symmetry you ve just delighted
      May 11, 2001 @ 23:19 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
2407. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: testing etc
      peter s ... that message came via a hotmail hookup i have which bill has just upgraded & now this one is via the usual email thus improving communication
      May 12, 2001 @ 00:33 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2408. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: World 200nm EEZ survey
      right in both the 12nm & the 200nm descriptions we have mostly only theoretical models or perhaps presumptive ones which in any case are usually incomplete &
      May 12, 2001 @ 00:48 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2409. Re: World 200nm EEZ survey
      Are you sure France only claims the full 200 nm EEZ around Kerguelen? According to the French Overseas Department (see http://www.outre-
      May 12, 2001 @ 13:47 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2410. Re: World 200nm EEZ survey
      ... Kerguelen? Not at all - that s why I said calls into question , not makes it wrong . The French site isn t entirely specific, but the default
      May 12, 2001 @ 17:53 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
2411. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: World 200nm EEZ survey
      peter & grant but also everyone else let me add too about these points & more generally how gratifying & inspiring it is to be joined in such hot pursuit &
      May 12, 2001 @ 23:08 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2412. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Time zone boundaries
      I have asked many academics and received no answer, but this group always seems to have answers, so here goes: if there were no such thing as an hour, what is
      May 12, 2001 @ 23:49 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
2413. sawanabori rocks wet or dry
      not a question about a low tide elevation but an appreciation & enhancement of the allegedly ancient japanese or possibly just fantastic art & sport &
      May 12, 2001 @ 23:58 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2414. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Time zone boundaries
      Lloydminster is a town half in Almerta (Canada) and half in Saskatchewan, that straddles a time-zone boundary as well as a Provincial boundary. In the summer,
      May 12, 2001 @ 23:52 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
2415. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Time zone boundaries
      actually the romans divided only the day & the dial into 12 hours just as they divided the year & the zodiac into 12 months so it is really their dozen
      May 13, 2001 @ 02:45 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2416. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Time zone boundaries
      china has only one time zone, but is the same width as the lower 48. This causes problems during exams in Urumuchi when the locals there have to get up in the
      May 13, 2001 @ 03:44 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2417. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Time zone boundaries
      there was an article in a geog jounral some time back about that city. and its problems and advantages. do you know it? BW ...
      May 13, 2001 @ 03:45 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2418. boundary mon
      just saw the british ambassador to the usa on cspan saying the architectural statue of churchill outside the british embassy in washington is distinguished by
      May 13, 2001 @ 13:22 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2419. Cyprus revisited
      http://www.qsl.net/5b4fl/zc4fl.htm On this amateur-radio related site is a clickable map of Cyprus. It shows an enclave formed by the UN buffer zone. I expect
      May 13, 2001 @ 20:24 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <h.ten.veen@...>)
2420. RE: [BoundaryPoint] sawanabori rocks wet or dry
      Michael, Is your definition of the true source the highest point from which water is continuously flowing or the longest distance from the mouth to the most
      May 13, 2001 @ 20:54 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
2421. Re: Cyprus revisited
      ... Turkish ... I think you re talking about the little section of coast surrounded by the UN buffer zone (west of the main Turkish zone)? It contains about
      May 13, 2001 @ 21:01 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
2422. Re: World 200nm EEZ survey
      ... ends Absolutely. Having arrived late and spent time rummaging in the archive of this group, I m acutely aware of how much information is stored there, but
      May 13, 2001 @ 21:26 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@cs.com)
2423. RE: [BoundaryPoint] sawanabori rocks wet or dry
      many thanx jack & huge congrats to us both for agreeing perfectly on both best & second best guesses as it was no easy job but even more wonderful to learn of
      May 13, 2001 @ 23:36 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2424. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: World 200nm EEZ survey
      grant ... are you kiddin you know we cant get too much of this stuff ... that is why i like to give an old message number whenever i can which is feeble but
      May 14, 2001 @ 00:04 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2425. Bronx,Lloydminster, Vernon,Kaskaskia...
      Ex Libris Meam: Some interesting professional geographers writing on quasi-enclaves (buildings and property split by municipal boundaries), a saingle urban
      May 14, 2001 @ 00:29 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2426. njnyus by qe2
      jack ... oops i was mistaken about nyrius as it will be hidden both by montauk point & darkness but if you are interested & if you do depart on time & the
      May 14, 2001 @ 02:04 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2427. Re: World 200nm EEZ survey
      I agree with Grant that the CIA World Factbook is generally reliable on jurisdictional issues, but I too am puzzled as to why it states that the French EEZ in
      May 14, 2001 @ 08:23 - Martin Pratt ("Martin Pratt" <m.a.pratt@...>)
2428. RE: [BoundaryPoint] njnyus by qe2
      michael, can you give me approx coordinates for njnyus? Hopefully we will set sail enough before dark to be able to see something. I tried to send a map of
      May 14, 2001 @ 14:05 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
2429. RE: [BoundaryPoint] njnyus by qe2
      jack thank you very much & delighted we can be together this way on our distant journeys i think elephants & other giants do this too with ultrasound & such
      May 14, 2001 @ 16:05 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2430. Contient marker
      http://www.trailblazer-guides.com/books/transsib/index.html?http%3A//www.trailblazer-guides.com/books/transsib/reading.html
      May 14, 2001 @ 19:36 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2431. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Contient marker
      interesting what they call an obelisk out there but it is well designed for its use as a line monument rather than as a pointy point monument btw jesper some
      May 14, 2001 @ 20:32 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2432. Re: Contient marker
      ... 3A//www.trailblazer-guides.com/books/transsib/reading.html Ah, the only border monument mentioned in this group that I ve actually visited. I hung out of
      May 14, 2001 @ 22:13 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
2433. illinois counties
      http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilcumber/ilctybnd/ilall.htm BW _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail
      May 14, 2001 @ 23:59 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2434. RE: [BoundaryPoint] njnyus by qe2
      Michael, Do I understand correctly that the njnyus point is at the intersection of the nj-ny line and the red line at the edge of block 492. If so I got
      May 15, 2001 @ 04:40 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
2435. RE: [BoundaryPoint] njnyus by qe2
      jack ... yes the red line is the 3 nautical mile line aka the outer limit of state territorial waters since 1953 as discussed in bus&ss pp 44 thru 47
      May 15, 2001 @ 06:14 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2436. Re: [BoundaryPoint] illinois counties
      quite a treat brendan i think there may be a few other states fully worked up like this florida for one & i trust everyone knows the canadian territorial
      May 15, 2001 @ 06:47 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2437. Re: Contient marker
      Another fine Europe-Asia boundary marker. Nice one. This boundary is intriguing: it is a continent boundary, but there are sections of it that don t coincide
      May 15, 2001 @ 10:39 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2438. Re: World 200nm EEZ survey
      ... contribution ... Is this a temporary problem, or would you like me to e-mail you a tab- delimited file? Grant
      May 15, 2001 @ 12:54 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
2439. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Contient marker
      gorgeous stuff peter this is our finest happy hour wonderful to see how a presumably all natural boundary still had to be diligently searched out & agreed
      May 15, 2001 @ 13:30 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2440. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: World 200nm EEZ survey
      grant no problem i just cant see or download stuff like this yet i see you also just posted a file to the group tho again without actually seeing it fantastic
      May 15, 2001 @ 13:29 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2441. Topozone Discrepancies
      Anyone using www.topozone.com to acquire GPS coordinates should be aware that they are using a mixture of NAD27 and NAD83 UTM coordinates, but there is no way
      May 15, 2001 @ 14:15 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
2442. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Topozone Discrepancies
      cool this is almost exactly the difference between jacks & my njnyus coords since i used topozone only to measure distances but usgs source materials to pin
      May 15, 2001 @ 14:44 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2443. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Topozone Discrepancies
      Thanks Bryan. It will be interesting to see what their response will be. I ve also been relying on Topozone on the job... Bill ... [www.debticated.com]
      May 15, 2001 @ 18:00 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
2444. Re: Topozone Discrepancies
      There is more to this problem - a 200 meter discrepancy is too large to be accounted for by a change from NAD27 to NAD83 alone. Also, the problem seems to be
      May 15, 2001 @ 18:17 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
2445. Re: Topozone Discrepancies
      See message 2444, but basically I think you will be OK if you use only the geocoordinates and not the UTM coordinates displayed by topozone. BJB ... will ...
      May 15, 2001 @ 18:19 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
2446. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Contient marker
      The link of msg 2403 iqkwsa should be: http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/newsletter/html_Mir/human.html while 2364 of chdefr is a 360 degress shot of the tp. Jesper ...
      May 15, 2001 @ 19:33 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2447. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Continent marker
      The Asia-Europe boundary markers come as a huge surprise to me. I have always thought that the Ural mountain boundary was just a broad undefined aproximate
      May 15, 2001 @ 20:09 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2448. This From Topozone
      I received the following reply from topozone regarding the UTM coordinate problem. I take it they have not looked at too many USGS ... Brian - I will look
      May 15, 2001 @ 20:18 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
2449. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Contient marker
      thank you thank you it is a little hard to call but the iqkwsa point does appear to lie in the small oilpatch area touching the left margin in line with the
      May 15, 2001 @ 21:38 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2450. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Topozone Discrepancies
      Good to hear...in most cases (depending on terrain) resolution to the nearest second generally suffices for me anyway. Bill ... [www.debticated.com]
      May 15, 2001 @ 21:35 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
2451. Re: Topozone Discrepancies
      Since you are in Florida, I have to ask - what terrain? BJB ... the ... should be ... relied on ... up ... the ... datum ... Service.
      May 15, 2001 @ 21:42 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
2452. Re: Topozone Discrepancies
      This whole coordinate issue may turn out to be a problem with my [older unit] GPS. I ll let you know. BJB ... the ... should be ... relied on ... up ... the
      May 15, 2001 @ 21:43 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
2453. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Continent marker
      i like to think the 2 great canals form the 2 great divides of the 4 great continents not that europe & australia & antarctica are not great mind you but i
      May 15, 2001 @ 21:55 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2454. Re: Continent marker
      With continental boundaries, sometimes the natural ones are adhered to. Natural means: according to animals, plants etc. occurring in one or another continent.
      May 15, 2001 @ 22:06 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2455. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Topozone Discrepancies
      hey we climbed lake okeechobee didnt we http://home.wanadoo.nl/~eefberns/gp-frsp400-achterkant.jpg was the actual background as i recall isnt that right bill
      May 15, 2001 @ 22:29 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2456. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Continent marker
      peter ... indeed we should all get a piece of your action so it might also be a good idea to have as many bicontinental countries as possible in which we could
      May 15, 2001 @ 23:38 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2457. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Continent marker
      ... Asia-Africa: political: Egypt/Israel and Gaza/Egypt boundary. Or for a nicer physical line, the suez canal which leaves Sinai in Asia. Or seeing Sinai is
      May 15, 2001 @ 23:57 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2458. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Continent marker
      Someone wrote a book recently The Myth of Continents or somesuch.Anyone read it? I think his argument was that we look at a map and think continents but in
      May 16, 2001 @ 00:02 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2459. Re: Continent marker
      My friend Ginge, who is even now attempting to climb the highest mountain in every country in Africa, ran into a peculiar hazard of the Africa/Asia divide -
      May 16, 2001 @ 00:21 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
2460. Re: Topozone Discrepancies
      Ah, yes. I see you rely on the most recent USGS maps. BJB ... use ... by ... response ... They ... Arc ... ended ... Using ... 6166:N/A=55 ... Yahoo! ...
      May 16, 2001 @ 00:34 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
2461. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Topozone Discrepancies
      Terrain in Florida is suprisingly varied, but it s a matter of scale. Compare the rolling horse farms in the Ocala area with the Everglades or the Kissimmee
      May 16, 2001 @ 01:09 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
2462. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Continent marker
      brendan ... i like your entire analysis & would only diddle tho not quarrel over this last point since clearly you are right in meaning that the darien gap as
      May 16, 2001 @ 03:15 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2463. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Continent marker
      Wallace came up with an evolutionary theory contemporary to Darwin. He was working in the dutch East Indies, and dicovered a massive and abrupt line of species
      May 16, 2001 @ 06:54 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2464. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Continent marker
      grant sounds like our kind of guy to be sure i wonder if jack has ever bumped into him up there & it seems like ginge may even have hit a few mountain peak
      May 16, 2001 @ 16:19 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2465. 2 more united states trifederal points posited in caribbean
      the world of american try pointing was rocked this morning by the probable discovery of the nations first trimaritime twins prusvin & prusvis the 84th & 85th
      May 16, 2001 @ 16:20 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2466. Laurel Massage (Not)
      Mike, after reading this I guess I ll skip the laurel massage: http://www.fs.fed.us/ipnf/eco/yourforest/poisonousplants/mtnlaurel.htm l BJB
      May 16, 2001 @ 17:59 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
2467. Laurel Massage (Not) (Again)
      What the L . Yahoo didn t include the final L in my last message, thus rendering my URL urlsless. Here is it again, hopefully in a usable form:
      May 16, 2001 @ 18:02 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
2468. re mountain laurels etc
      perhaps i should explain that last in joke by my friend here for he & i were once so hot on the trail of ctmany & cth & masw & maw a fairly tight cluster of
      May 16, 2001 @ 19:51 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2469. Continent tp
      Just playing with the thought: EU-AS-AF: level with ISLB-border/Antalaya (is Rodos Asia or Europe?!) No other I guess, perhaps AN-AF-SA Jesper
      May 16, 2001 @ 20:09 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2470. Is Cyprus Europe or Asia
      When I was in Cyprus, I regarded it as Europe. The guide even made os go to Cape Greco the most south-eastern corner of Europe. But flying home it stroke me,
      May 16, 2001 @ 20:10 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2471. Do continental names matter?
      What about Israel, she is part of and has won the European Song Contest. Greenland shares a King with Denmark, but that does not make Greenland part of EC.
      May 16, 2001 @ 21:28 - Emi Boass (Emi Boass <eb3@...>)
2472. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Is Cyprus Europe or Asia
      Excuse me for bringing this mess into this group.... but, When I refer to my Radio-amateurs handbook I find: Cyprus = AS (Asia) (it is recognised as one
      May 16, 2001 @ 22:15 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <h.ten.veen@...>)
2473. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Is Cyprus Europe or Asia
      Harry, it s not trivial at all! Bill (KA1KF/4) - DXCC
      May 16, 2001 @ 22:33 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
2474. Lake maps
      To follow up the Australia shaped lake in Geelong, the North End pond/pool in Canberra and the world lake in Denmark, Taman Mini, a national-integrationist
      May 17, 2001 @ 02:04 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <b.whyte@...>)
2475. Re: Do continental names matter?
      Continental names don t matter more or less than anything else discussed here, I guess. ... Contest. And plays in all kinds of European sports leagues. Israel
      May 17, 2001 @ 07:55 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2476. Re: Is Cyprus Europe or Asia
      ... No, the more the merrier. ... Yes. I think Azeri is the adjective. But I could be wrong, because it could be the adjective to the people. And that includes
      May 17, 2001 @ 08:13 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2477. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Do continental names matter?
      Andorra shares a president with France, but isn t in the EC either. Does that mean it s not european? I don t think it enters eurovision either! SEATO included
      May 17, 2001 @ 09:48 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2478. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Is Cyprus Europe or Asia
      ... That s British irony. Something to do with the habits of Britain s continental neighbours of urinating in the street and therefore being in-continent .
      May 17, 2001 @ 09:55 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2479. Re: Do continental names matter?
      It is, more often than not, a question of some political decisions. French Guyana is definitely part of France proper, being a DOM (overseas department). So
      May 17, 2001 @ 10:09 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2480. More holes in the world EEZ
      See this site for three holes in New Zealand s complicated EEZ, including one tiny one created by the juxtaposition of the Kermadecs EEZ and the indentation in
      May 17, 2001 @ 11:02 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <grant.l.hutchison@...>)
2481. Re: More holes in the world EEZ
      What I do find strange, however, is that the EEZ boundary around the Kermadecs is not interrupted. I can t see from this map whether the Kermadec EEZ actually
      May 17, 2001 @ 11:35 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2482. Re: More holes in the world EEZ
      ... Right enough. I ve been puzzled by other maps of the same area that also leave the boundary uninterrupted - up to now I ve been thinking this was due to
      May 17, 2001 @ 11:57 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <grant.l.hutchison@...>)
2483. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Is Cyprus Europe or Asia
      ... & even if it were trivial a word which began like us by meaning to say just 3way as in trijunction or tripointing etc etc it would still be right at
      May 17, 2001 @ 14:11 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
2484. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Time zone boundaries
      another similar situation exists in college corner, ohio and west college corner, indiana. the new york times had an article on these towns a few years ago,
      May 17, 2001 @ 14:38 - Beckett, Bob ("Beckett, Bob" <Bob.Beckett@...>)
2485. What was the Kamp van Zeist?
      Following the Lockerbie bombing, the two suspects were eventually tried at the Kamp van Zeist location in the Netherlands. In many publications, it is said
      May 17, 2001 @ 15:33 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2486. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Is Cyprus Europe or Asia
      Peter: ... According to the DXCC-list the entity Italy includes Pantelleria. Ceuta & Melilla (AF) is a separate entity. Likewise Spain (EU), Belearic Is. (EU),
      May 17, 2001 @ 18:34 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <h.ten.veen@...>)
2487. Re: Is Cyprus Europe or Asia
      ... Belearic Is. (EU), Canary Is. (AF) are seperate entities. ... Can you tell me where La Nube is? This is the first time I hear of it, and I can t find it in
      May 17, 2001 @ 20:35 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2488. Re: Is Cyprus Europe or Asia
      ... I have it from a list of many, many Spanish islands. It is refered to as Isla de la Nube (Alboran). So it should be near Alboran !? ... UK. ... No, No..
      May 17, 2001 @ 21:45 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
2489. Re: What was the Kamp van Zeist?
      Peter, I have a web page saved on my PC, a fact sheet of Ministerie van Justitie. I would have attached it if my mail was working correctly. (this is typed on
      May 17, 2001 @ 22:00 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
2490. Re: Do continental names matter?
      ... I m reminded of my father s story of a very English officer he knew in the Royal Air Force during WWII. He used to say: *Everything* matters, but nothing
      May 17, 2001 @ 23:33 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
2491. Re: [BoundaryPoint] More holes in the world EEZ
      There are 2 interesting NZ stamps in this regard. One 20c one came out in the mid 70s, showing the EEZ. It shows the 2 holes in the mid and south sections, and
      May 18, 2001 @ 00:19 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2492. Re: [BoundaryPoint] What was the Kamp van Zeist?
      I suspect it was temporarily extraterritorial. If someone had bombed it, i beht the netherlands and not the Scots would have been the ones to declare war. And
      May 18, 2001 @ 00:29 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2493. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: What was the Kamp van Zeist?
      http://www.minjust.nl/a_beleid/fact/cfact8.htm it s in Dutch though. :( BW ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get
      May 18, 2001 @ 00:37 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2494. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Armenian/Azeri enclaves
      Hi everyone. Brady Riesling s site on Rediscoveing Armenia (updated regularly) http://www.arminco.com/embusa/brady.htm has nice large-scale maps & info on the
      May 18, 2001 @ 05:27 - rpalmber@abo.fi (rpalmber@...)
2495. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Armenian/Azeri enclaves
      Addendum: Last year s version is more easily accessible http://www.cilicia.com/armo5_brady.html and the name is Kiesling, not Riesling (sorry!). Rolf (again)
      May 18, 2001 @ 05:33 - rpalmber@abo.fi (rpalmber@...)
2496. Re: Is Cyprus Europe or Asia
      ... OK, OK. I will stop making jokes or being cynical. Peter S.
      May 18, 2001 @ 08:04 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2497. Re: What was the Kamp van Zeist?
      I ve found it. I think I will be able to make a little translation of it, so Brendan can read it too (and others). What I haven t found is your web site,
      May 18, 2001 @ 08:06 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2498. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Is Cyprus Europe or Asia
      And what about the greek island of Rhodos!! Asia or Europe? Jesper
      May 18, 2001 @ 08:07 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2499. Re: Armenian/Azeri enclaves
      Brilliant maps! Pity the maps don t always adjoin. And some things fall off, for example half of the Armenian enclave Artsvashen. So the Azeri enclaves in
      May 18, 2001 @ 09:13 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2500. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Armenian/Azeri enclaves
      I cannot prove this, but I am now convinced that the name Azatamut is not in fact the name of the enclave (although on the map it s written in the middle of
      May 18, 2001 @ 09:24 - rpalmber@abo.fi (rpalmber@...)
2501. Re: What was the Kamp van Zeist?
      This is the translation [between square brackets: my comments]: Ministry of Justice Fact Sheet April 4, 1999 The Lockerbie court case To get out of a deadlock
      May 18, 2001 @ 11:21 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2502. Re: Armenian/Azeri enclaves
      I can t prove anything either, but it could well be that this enclave has an Armenian and an Azeri name. Remember that the enclave is under Armenian
      May 18, 2001 @ 11:34 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2503. Re: Armenian/Azeri enclaves
      Now I m convinced it is the same enclave. This Armenian fellow has printed the Armenian names (in latin letters) on top of a Russian map. But underneath
      May 18, 2001 @ 11:40 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2504. Re: Armenian/Azeri enclaves
      ... I ve seen at least one atlas that applies the name Azatamut to the town just east of the enclave (which looks to be called Aigehovit on the Armenian maps.)
      May 18, 2001 @ 13:13 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <grant.l.hutchison@...>)
2505. More about the Kermadecs
      The Kermadecs are certainly interesting. Looking at the New Zealand EEZ map, I think we can be sure the southern boundary of the Kermadec EEZ is based on
      May 18, 2001 @ 18:38 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
2506. Rockall
      I m not going to try to recalculate the Kermadec story (although I hope there s a high sea enclave there), because I do not have the means for that within
      May 18, 2001 @ 18:57 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2507. Re: What was the Kamp van Zeist?
      ... of ... Here is the English version; sorry Peter for your translating efforts; http://www.minjust.nl:8080/a_beleid/fact/cfact8.htm I am hesitating about
      May 18, 2001 @ 19:10 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
2508. Re: Is Cyprus Europe or Asia
      ... Dxcc has 4 (four) Greek entities; all in EU: Greece, Mount Athos, Dodecanese (includes Rhodos) and Crete. gl Harry ten Veen
      May 18, 2001 @ 19:14 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
2509. Re: What was the Kamp van Zeist?
      ... Not at all. Nice to see I didn t make too bad a job of it. ... BoundaryPoint ... So it s us keeping you from the real work then... ... Sounds interesting
      May 18, 2001 @ 19:58 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2510. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: What was the Kamp van Zeist?
      ... From: Peter Smaardijk To: Sent: vrijdag 18 mei 2001 21:58 Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: What was the
      May 18, 2001 @ 21:06 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <h.ten.veen@...>)
2511. Custom-hedges in India
      This information comes from a Dutch TV-magazine in which the author Boudewijn Büch wrote a little article on the subject Custom-hedges in India .....
      May 19, 2001 @ 10:13 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
2512. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Armenian/Azeri enclaves
      I found this info on Brady Kiesling s Rediscovering Armenia site (1999 version): Tigranashen, until 1990 the Azerbaijani enclave of Kyarki, is now inhabited
      May 19, 2001 @ 15:43 - Rolf Palmberg LI ("Rolf Palmberg LI" <rpalmber@...>)
2513. sawanabori satori
      blue ridge va our wet ascent of the shenandoah is now complete we couldnt even have come close without your help jack even with help it was incredibly
      May 21, 2001 @ 21:06 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
2514. Border Pictures
      BorderPictures (http://home.worldonline.dk/~jesniel/border/border.htm) has been updated. I have focussed on Asian borders. Jesper
      Apr 21, 2002 @ 20:36 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2515. Let’s all be careful out there! (Virus protection)
      On a discussion list for list managers at the moment, there is some discussion of viruses getting to list manager s respective groups. Most of those discussing
      May 22, 2001 @ 10:58 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
2516. Re: Let’s all be careful out there! (Virus protection)
      Do you think a well-advertised, on-line hanging would be a deterrent? ... Most of ... the group ... the ... file ... it. My ... list ... regular ... carry on
      May 22, 2001 @ 14:13 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
2517. Moving a Border to Wed Rich and Poor Towns--From the NYTimes
      This URL leads to a story in today s New York Times about a plan to shift the Nevada-Utah boundary to unite two very different desert towns.
      May 22, 2001 @ 17:42 - Dunlap, William by way of Bill Hanrahan ("Dunlap, William" <hanrahan@...> (by way of Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>))
2518. Re: Rockall
      ... the ... Beautiful. Thanks for this! But I think the hilarity must be shared with this picture of the Chinese inhabiting one of the islands in the
      May 22, 2001 @ 18:39 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
2519. nothin much
      monticello ky passed right by nctnva & kytnva yesterday without looking just a nice day for driving today looking forward to doing 100 percent of ky highway
      May 22, 2001 @ 19:09 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
2520. Re: nothin much
      Mike, where do you find Internet connections, public libraries? BJB
      May 22, 2001 @ 19:38 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
2521. Border markers
      Do you spot any border markers here? http://www.pardoes.nildram.co.uk/pages/tmb99pix.htm Jesper
      Apr 23, 2002 @ 05:37 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2522. GCEBE ??
      http://www.theotherside.co.uk/tm-heritage/visit/visit-maubeuge-douane.htm
      Apr 23, 2002 @ 05:40 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2523. "Parting the Waters" - article on using GPS to map US/Mexico boundary
      The May 2001 issue of GPS World has an interesting (to techies, anyway) four page article on the use of differential GPS data in mapping coastal boundaries
      May 23, 2001 @ 17:01 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
2524. west kentucky disjunctions
      mayfield ky the kentucky bend exclave bubble is the least of it here west kentucky has a longstanding habit of falling apart first there are the 2 major rivers
      May 23, 2001 @ 18:20 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
2525. New member says hi!
      Gosh, I thought I was the only person interested in enclaves! (and exclaves)... I m fascinated by those bits of countries that arn t where you expect. I know
      May 24, 2001 @ 14:38 - michaelstride@hotmail.com (michaelstride@...)
2526. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New member says hi!
      Michael, welcome to the group! Don t worry about being out of order ...we re about as informal if it gets! Bill
      May 24, 2001 @ 14:47 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
2527. welcome michael
      poplar bluff mo nice stuff you got there pal i hope some of our clave clan can field it properly & another michael is just what we needed we are just hitting
      May 24, 2001 @ 22:46 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
2528. Thanks Bill, Michael...
      thanks for your kind welcome. Much appreciated. I racked my brain about the Jugoslav hotel room in London deal, came up with this old news item. London /
      May 24, 2001 @ 16:31 - michaelstride@hotmail.com (michaelstride@...)
2529. Re: New member says hi!
      Hi Michael. The stuff you come up with suits this group perfectly. This is precisely the off beat things we occupy ourselves with. ... Sounds like Vimy. There
      May 24, 2001 @ 19:08 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2530. engrossed
      eminence mo why because i can just did mo hwy 106 end to end & am now working on hwy 38 too it is a little out of the way but will make my first even gross m
      May 24, 2001 @ 20:41 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
2531. correction
      marshfield mo oops must have been too engrossed during previous message obviously hadnt yet completed hwy 106 nor begun hwy 38 at eminence mo but have done so
      May 25, 2001 @ 00:27 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
2532. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New member says hi!
      From the Melbourne Age, 14 MArch 2001 p10. Yugoslav pretender given his citizenship London. In an emotional ceremony in the room where he was born, Crown
      May 25, 2001 @ 01:07 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2533. Re: correction
      To where are you bound and what is the theme? BJB
      May 25, 2001 @ 01:35 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
2534. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New member says hi!
      ... Let me add the Badischer Bahnhof railway station in Basel, Switzerland to the list of strange enclaves . This is something like a German railway station
      May 25, 2001 @ 18:03 - Manfred Haertel (Manfred Haertel <Manfred.Haertel@...>)
2535. bound for where & what theme
      coffeeville ks thanxx for the qqs brian we are bound for elk city ks at the moment as in elk city kansas is a snaky tickle but after that is anyones guess the
      May 26, 2001 @ 02:03 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
2536. bound for where & what theme
      coffeeville ks thanxx for the qqs brian we are bound for elk city ks at the moment as in elk city kansas is a snaky tickle but after that is anyones guess the
      May 25, 2001 @ 19:03 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
2537. Re: New member says hi!
      I thought there was, apart from Basel Bad. Bf. I already knew about and which you mention here, another station in Basle, this time belonging to the SNCF
      May 25, 2001 @ 20:36 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2538. Please ignore this message
      Please ignore this message. I am sending it as a test. BJB
      May 26, 2001 @ 01:27 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
2539. Re: Please ignore this message
      ... Of course I couldn t. I had to click on it. Reminds me (in some strange only half-logical way) of the book I found containing a slip of paper that read
      May 26, 2001 @ 16:31 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
2540. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Please ignore this message
      And by clicking on it you have created a cascade of messages that will ultimately require its own forum. BJB ... From: Grant Hutchison To:
      May 26, 2001 @ 18:04 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
2541. Recent DEMDPA Excursion
      My recent expedition to DEMDPA and related points is recorded at http://www.bjbsoftware.com/corners/pointdetail.php3?point=24. BJB
      May 26, 2001 @ 18:07 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
2542. info on GCEBE - article by Rolf Palmberg
      Dear fellow boundary freaks, about a month ago Rolf Palmberg wrote an article on this year s big bang - the GCEBE expedition - in the Finnish newspaper Vasa
      May 27, 2001 @ 08:54 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
2543. Re: [BoundaryPoint] info on GCEBE - article by Rolf Palmberg
      Wow, great article. BJB ... From: Peter Hering To: BoundaryPoint@egroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 4:54 AM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] info on GCEBE -
      May 27, 2001 @ 11:46 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
2544. Dutch-German boundary conflict
      The denl boundary is still undecided in the Dollard-Eems area, which is leading to a conflict at the moment. I have translated three articles for you, and
      May 27, 2001 @ 13:18 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2545. Dutch-German boundary conflict (2)
      Just for orientation: this is a little (not very good, I agree) map I got from a nl government pdf file. Orange is nl, purple is de, grey is the area about
      May 27, 2001 @ 18:48 - Peter Smaardijk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Smaardijk?= <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
2546. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Dutch-German boundary conflict (2)
      Peter, I have also looked into this matter. All my Dutch topo-maps only show the straight borderline towards Emden and don t give the border in the Eems. I
      May 27, 2001 @ 20:33 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <h.ten.veen@...>)
2547. Border signal
      Just travelled the dkse border this weekend, a very wet one aprt from the bridge. Anyway we were on the boat between Elsinore (Helsingør) - Helsingborg.
      May 28, 2001 @ 03:59 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2548. Re: Dutch-German boundary conflict (2)
      The straight line in the Dollard looks like being already agreed upon, at least the southern part of it. The northern part is dubious, because it cuts in two
      May 28, 2001 @ 06:17 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2549. Re: Border signal
      I once heard that Swedish passengers traveling to Denmark were at one time forced to buy a return ticket, because otherwise they would use up all of their
      May 28, 2001 @ 06:20 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2550. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Border signal
      Peter, Does not sound like a true story. The dkse border is quite open, apart from the water of course. Having stayed in Sweden I have travelled to Denmark
      May 28, 2001 @ 06:29 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2551. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Border signal
      Well, Peter - that could very well have been a true story, but it must have been many, many years ago.... Today prices for booze are high, even in DK... so
      May 28, 2001 @ 08:18 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
2552. GCEBE 2001
      Hello GCEBE2001 now has it s own site: http://www.geocities.com/graenser/gcebe/ Jesper
      May 28, 2001 @ 08:37 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2553. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Border signal
      Ha ha! On the chunnel train from London to Paris/Brussels, a day-return ticket is substantially cheaper than a one way. So backpackers are tempted to buy a day
      May 28, 2001 @ 08:51 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2554. Re: Dutch-German boundary conflict (2)
      Peter, I think you might be mistaking about the borderline on that map. In my opinion that dashed line shows the shiproute of the ferry between Emden en
      May 28, 2001 @ 09:02 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <h.ten.veen@...>)
2555. Re: Dutch-German boundary conflict (2)
      Most definitely not, Harry. The border shows up as a line of plusses, yellow-bordered. The ferry is there, too, but is shown as a single dashed line with a
      May 28, 2001 @ 09:15 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2556. Iron Curtian stories
      http://latimes.qpass.com/news/nation/reports/curtain/
      May 28, 2001 @ 20:34 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2557. french exclaves in Germany
      Beeing interested in french history, I once heard about small french exclaves in Germany, esp. military monuments from the napoleonic wars. Must be situated in
      May 29, 2001 @ 08:10 - Pierre ("Pierre" <fallyx@...>)
2558. Re: Iron Curtian stories: Sidonie
      In chapter 3, the story of Sidonie comes up, with the czsk boundary running through the village. But then it looks like the treaty of 1994 (see msg. 1665) was
      May 29, 2001 @ 08:49 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2559. Re: Iron Curtian stories: Sidonie
      After some searching, I found that the exchange of Sidonie/U Sabotu took place on July 25, 1997: http://www.fss.muni.cz/projekty/stisk/issues/stisk_10_98/ . In
      May 29, 2001 @ 09:16 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2560. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Iron Curtian stories: Sidonie
      Peter S., that s a very interesting link about the exchange of territory between SK and CZ ! As a matter of fact, I do have an article - in Danish - about this
      May 29, 2001 @ 13:53 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
2561. Re: Iron Curtian stories: Sidonie
      Sidonie is just north-east of road 57 from Brumov-Bylnice (cz) to Dubnica nad Vahom (Vahom with acute accent on a) (sk). The road is doubled by a railway, and
      May 29, 2001 @ 14:03 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2562. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Iron Curtian stories: Sidonie
      Thanks Peter S. found it!!! Tomorrow I ll scan the article on U Sabotu....there s a nice pic- ture in it...! Regards Peter H. ... From: Peter Smaardijk Date:
      May 29, 2001 @ 14:27 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
2563. coksok crypt opened
      taos nm the crypt at coksok has been found & opened probably for the first time in 10 years & contains a usgs copper disk going wild for awhile happy bp
      May 29, 2001 @ 23:32 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
2564. Re: Iron Curtian stories: Sidonie
      I m looking forward to it. I can get along with Danish, with a dictionary and some guess-work ;-) BTW, regarding
      May 29, 2001 @ 20:53 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2565. more about coksok
      santa fe nm there was also a cup in the crypt so i took it too the coksok cup a tall plastic soft drink cup in about 10 years of sand & mold etc then i put the
      May 29, 2001 @ 21:28 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
2566. Re: [BoundaryPoint] more about coksok
      coksok cup, indeed, you point jockey. BJB ... From: Michael Donner To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 9:28 PM Subject:
      May 29, 2001 @ 21:47 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
2567. Re: [BoundaryPoint] coksok crypt opened
      coksok? I ve seen those for sale in countries with cold winters... ;-) BW _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your
      May 30, 2001 @ 00:44 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2568. U. S. Supreme Court Settles the Issue: Shipyard Is in Maine, Not New Hampshire
      Supreme Court Settles the Issue: Shipyard Is in Maine, Not New Hampshire By Ann S. Kim Associated Press Writer KITTERY, Maine (AP) - The U.S. Supreme Court
      May 30, 2001 @ 01:28 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
2569. Re: [BoundaryPoint] coksok crypt opened
      A couple of years ago Mike and I conjectured about the COKSOK Woolen Condom Company, whose products are made from the finest fleece of ARLAMS
      May 30, 2001 @ 03:13 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
2570. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Iron Curtian stories: Sidonie
      Yes, Peter, it certainly looks like a boundary marker, many of them - especially the new ones (and this MUST be a very new one) are painted red on top...(my
      May 30, 2001 @ 11:15 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
2571. Re: Iron Curtian stories: Sidonie
      It is the border crossing of road 57. Somewhere at this point, the road to Sidonie branches off. Somewhere to the right, but behind the photographer, the
      May 30, 2001 @ 12:32 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2572. Re: U. S. Supreme Court Settles the Issue: Shipyard Is in Maine, Not New Hampshire
      So, the difference with the muslim approach is: Muslim: You tax them, so you rule the place too US: First you rule the place, then you tax them A difference in
      May 30, 2001 @ 12:52 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2573. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: U. S. Supreme Court Settles the Issue: Shipyard Is in Maine, Not New Hampshire
      And, one of the mainstays of the original American Revolution was No taxation without representation! Hmmm.... Bill
      May 30, 2001 @ 16:47 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
2574. CzechSlovakborder at U Sabotu
      Here s the promised scan of an article in Politiken , one of DK s leading news- papers... - sorry for the bad quality, but attached you ll find some of the
      May 30, 2001 @ 17:33 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
2575. Slovakian border
      with who? http://personal4.iddeo.es/747/gale_alpes_uk.html Peter or Peter? Jesper
      May 30, 2001 @ 20:52 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2576. new member introduction
      Hello Everyone, My name is Dallen Timothy (yes Timothy is the last name), and I am a professor at Arizona State University. I have spent the past 15 years
      May 30, 2001 @ 21:05 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
2577. Re: [BoundaryPoint] new member introduction
      new member introductionHello Dallen Welcome to the group. I am pretty sure you can contribute alot. I am maintaining a border pictures site at
      May 30, 2001 @ 21:17 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2578. Re: [BoundaryPoint] new member introduction
      Hi Dallen...welcome to the group! We re very glad you found us, and I hope you enjoy it. I laughed when I read how you thought you were the only border
      May 30, 2001 @ 21:19 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
2579. RE: [BoundaryPoint] new member introduction
      Hi Jesper, You re welcome to use some of my shots for the site. I m going to begin emailing some pictures tonight. Cheers, Dallen ... From: Jesper & Nicolette
      May 30, 2001 @ 21:21 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
2580. RE: [BoundaryPoint] new member introduction
      Hi Bill, Great to hear from you. I m glad to be in the group too. ASU East, huh? I live over by there, but I work at the main campus. Arizona s a great
      May 30, 2001 @ 21:25 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
2581. Re: Slovakian border
      Where do you see Slovakia then? (there is something I don t get, silly me...) Peter S. - In BoundaryPoint@y..., Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen
      May 31, 2001 @ 01:05 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2582. DENL northernmost bordermarker Message 2548 etc
      Hello, Some official Informations about boundarystone 203 are attached Wolfgang Gärtner Friedrich Ebert Strasse 32 65824 Schwalbach am Taunus
      May 31, 2001 @ 04:27 - Wolfgang Gärtner (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Wolfgang_G=E4rtner?= <wgartner@arcormail.de>)
2583. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Slovakian border
      I found it om alltheweb.com just saying this is the Slovakian border . This is something I see a lot which is actually nonsence as there must be another
      May 31, 2001 @ 05:11 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2584. Set your clocks back... one hour.
      According to the official US time site (that s chronology, not the weekly magazine), the Hopi reservation in Arizona is not only a political enclave within the
      May 31, 2001 @ 10:51 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2585. Caribbean 200nm EEZ overview
      I m still ploughing my lonely 200nm furrow out here. I ve been messing around with the GTOPO30 database recently, which lets me generate maps of fixed-width
      May 31, 2001 @ 18:40 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@cs.com)
2586. Re: Caribbean 200nm EEZ overview
      Just be aware that this 200 nm principle is exactly that, a principle. Some remarks: 1. It is 200 nm from the baseline, not from the coast. This probably won t
      Jun 01, 2001 @ 08:54 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2587. Re: Caribbean 200nm EEZ overview
      ... Much less impact, of course, at the 200nm level than at 12nm, since the baseline has to be quite long before it begins to show a serious effect at the
      Jun 01, 2001 @ 15:58 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <grant.l.hutchison@...>)
2588. jeddito
      cedar city ut visited the jeddito navajo clave in hopiland all set within greater navajoland & found this little pocket affluent both by hopi & normal navajo
      Jun 01, 2001 @ 16:56 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
2589. map of everyones land
      grant havent been able to see your latest extreme play yet but am rejoicing in it & tho i would love to see the north polar view please bear in mind also that
      Jun 01, 2001 @ 17:14 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
2590. Bosnia Border Photos
      Hi Everyone, Here are two photos I took last month on the Croatia-Bosnia border. Photo 1) On the right side of the road there is a white pole with blue and
      Jun 01, 2001 @ 17:57 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
2591. SMOM Photos
      Hi Again, hopefully you won t get sick of me sending pictures to you all. I have several hundred on borders, enclaves, and mini microstates that I don t mind
      Jun 01, 2001 @ 18:12 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
2592. RE: [BoundaryPoint] SMOM Photos
      ... Dallen, please keep the pictures coming! I especially look forward to your enclave pictures. Thanks for sharing! Mats
      Jun 01, 2001 @ 18:20 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
2593. Re: [BoundaryPoint] SMOM Photos
      Keep em coming! It s motivation for me to post some Spain/Portugal and Bosnia/Croatia (Between Karlovac, Croatia and Velika Kladusa, BiH) and more US/Canadian
      Jun 01, 2001 @ 18:23 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
2594. and more pics
      Oh, Ok, here s another bunch of photos (Vatican-Italy and Ghana-Togo) before I head for home to do some real work. Photo 1) I took this two weeks ago. I
      Jun 01, 2001 @ 18:39 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
2595. Re: [BoundaryPoint] SMOM Photos
      Dallen, please keep them coming...this is what we all live for! Doug...have you been holding out!? :-) Bill
      Jun 01, 2001 @ 19:00 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
2596. Re: [BoundaryPoint] and more pics
      This is the first time I ve ever come across a good real world description of this part of the Vatican/Italy border (other than dry references from the
      Jun 01, 2001 @ 19:04 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
2597. DEMDPA Notes
      The true DEMDPA tri-point monument says P-P-M-M-1849 and has a disk on top saying MDP and showing an arrow pointing toward the MDP monument. The MDP
      Jun 01, 2001 @ 19:50 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
2598. black mountains behind us & gcebe ahead
      beaver ut we just crossed the black mountains with no problem they sounded & looked bad but werent got stopped for blowing a stop sign real bad in minersville
      Jun 01, 2001 @ 20:33 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
2599. Interesting Border story (Estonia/Russia).
      Unfortunately, the picture showing Russian guards patrolling their side of the river isn t on the website. But the story is here:
      Jun 01, 2001 @ 20:46 - Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline ("Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline" <dmurray@...>)
2600. US-Canada photos
      In my looking at the archived messages, I remember seeing that someone sent in my Canada picture number 1, but not the inside of the library. Photo 1) This
      Jun 01, 2001 @ 21:04 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
2601. more US-Canada shots
      Hi, In the last message, I didn t mean to write that someone had sent in MY picture to the group. I meant to write a picture like my photo number 1. Sorry
      Jun 01, 2001 @ 21:15 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
2602. last of the border photos
      Ok, the last two border pics for this week. I hope I haven t overloaded anyone s system!! Photo 9) International Peace Garden--US/Canada Photo 10) Same place.
      Jun 01, 2001 @ 21:20 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
2603. Re: [BoundaryPoint] more US-Canada shots
      Dallen, thanks for the Derby Line/Rock Island shots! I think I ve mentioned this before, but I ve misplaced an old photo (early 70s) of a former girlfriend
      Jun 01, 2001 @ 21:33 - Jane Hanrahan (Jane Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
2604. Re: [BoundaryPoint] black mountains behind us & gcebe ahead - reply to Mike...!
      Hello Mike-keep on moving, it s the real life being on the road (that s what Jack Kerouac told us many years ago- and it s still the truth and nothing but....)
      Jun 02, 2001 @ 08:01 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
2605. Article on Opera House in Derby Line/Vt.
      Thanks Dallan, for these most interesting pictures from Derby Line/Vt, where the world-famous Haskell Free Library plus the Opera House straddles the
      Jun 02, 2001 @ 08:15 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
2606. Dallen's pictures
      Dallen, Thanks for all the great pictures. As I have said earlier I would very much like to put my pictures on my borderpictures site. Since you have also
      Jun 02, 2001 @ 11:40 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2607. Re: [BoundaryPoint] DENL northernmost bordermarker Message 2548 etc
      Wolfgang, thank s for this interesting info and maps. Always good stuff you submit! What is your source, anything on the internet, did you visit archives or
      Jun 02, 2001 @ 10:38 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <h.ten.veen@...>)
2608. Re: [BoundaryPoint] french exclaves in Germany
      My sister is home from college and she plans on using her PC unit as much as she can as a CD-rewritable drive is in her PC. Unfortunately most of my stuff is
      Jun 02, 2001 @ 18:08 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
2609. Law and Order on the border (TV show)
      Dallen s recent great photos of the Derby Line/Rock Island area got me thinking about a recent episode of the TV program Law and Order which was broadcast here
      Jun 02, 2001 @ 18:13 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
2610. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Law and Order on the border (TV show)
      I don t know of a building but I have been transferred , as you say, across a bridge from Canada to the US. I ve told this story here before but the summary
      Jun 02, 2001 @ 19:06 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
2611. Vermont Circumnavigation
      Strange that the topic of Derby Line came up recently. I am planning a circumnavigation of Vermont in the next few weeks to try out some camping gear and an
      Jun 02, 2001 @ 19:12 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
2612. NZ EEZ
      I ve turned my computer on the complicated EEZ territory around New Zealand, by way of testing its accuracy. The three high seas enclaves turn out nicely.
      Jun 02, 2001 @ 20:22 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@cs.com)
2613. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Vermont Circumnavigation
      Brian, I think I know which island and peninsula you are talking about. The peninsula, by official definition, is another pene-exclave--one of several--along
      Jun 02, 2001 @ 20:48 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
2614. Neum
      You don t look for a just day or so on your computer, and you get a real avalanche of beautiful pictures! Brilliant stuff, Dallen. The Croatian/Bosnian border
      Jun 02, 2001 @ 20:55 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2615. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Vermont Circumnavigation
      Brian, nice pics of Estcourt. I was there about three years ago, and as far as I can remember there were only about 4.5 houses on the US side of the village,
      Jun 02, 2001 @ 21:01 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
2616. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Law and Order on the border (TV show)
      This reminds me of the story I heard about individual Beatles being unwanted in either Canada or US and consequently they had to meet in a building on the
      Jun 02, 2001 @ 21:04 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
2617. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Law and Order on the border (TV show)
      There are several (at least 15) buildings directly on the US-Canada border, but they are all east of the Great Lakes, with the exception of the Peace Chapel at
      Jun 02, 2001 @ 21:14 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
2618. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Law and Order on the border (TV show)
      I had also heard something about shared customs facilities. There were some problems... at one, the bathroom is in Canada and the US border patrol agents
      Jun 02, 2001 @ 21:29 - Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline ("Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline" <dmurray@...>)
2619. question
      Is there a word limit on these messages, because half of my paragraphs are being chopped off? Dallen
      Jun 02, 2001 @ 21:27 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
2620. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Law and Order on the border (TV show)
      There are several (at least 15) buildings directly on the US-Canada border, but they are all east of the Great Lakes, with the exception of the Peace Chapel at
      Jun 02, 2001 @ 21:28 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
2621. More on shared buildings
      It s not an urban myth... according to document from last year, there are 3 such operations under construction/built. They are in: • Sweetgrass,
      Jun 02, 2001 @ 21:38 - Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline ("Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline" <dmurray@...>)
2622. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Law and Order on the border (TV show)
      US Immigration denied entry to a US citizen?!?!?! (I don t doubt your story Brian, it s their actions that are incredulous). Bill
      Jun 02, 2001 @ 21:40 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
2623. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Law and Order on the border (TV show)
      That s true what Bill mentioned. By law the US immigration service (and customs for that matter) cannot deny entry of US citizens into the United States. I
      Jun 02, 2001 @ 21:46 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
2624. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Law and Order on the border (TV show)
      Yes, it s true...it happened in the very same Haskell Library (in Derby Line/Rock Island) that Dallen talked about...in the 70s I think. Bill
      Jun 02, 2001 @ 21:46 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
2625. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Law and Order on the border (TV show)
      I haven t heard of any such construction, but I noticed on a visit that the US Customs facility in Nogales, AZ was built immediately adjacent to the US/Mexico
      Jun 02, 2001 @ 21:49 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
2626. Re: [BoundaryPoint] question
      No, there shouldn t be!! Bill
      Jun 02, 2001 @ 21:50 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
2627. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Law and Order on the border (TV show)
      The dual citizenship status is quite interesting! I looked into that awhile back, because three of my four grandparents were born in Canada...unfortunately, I
      Jun 02, 2001 @ 21:55 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
2628. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Law and Order on the border (TV show)
      That s right Bill. As soon as I get the film developed, I ll post some interesting shots of the US-Mexico border. The boundary fence (wall in some places) is
      Jun 02, 2001 @ 21:58 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
2629. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Law and Order on the border (TV show)
      Bill, The official status right now of dual citizenship for US citizens is that the US gvt does not recognize dual citizenships at all. They don t prohibit
      Jun 02, 2001 @ 22:10 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
2630. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Law and Order on the border (TV show)
      Oh yeah, the other part of this is that, according to law, if you have dual citizenship, you must always declare only your US citizenship upon entering the
      Jun 02, 2001 @ 22:12 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
2631. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Law and Order on the border (TV show)
      ... I thought a US citizen would lose his or her citizenship by serving in the armed forces of some other country. David
      Jun 02, 2001 @ 22:18 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
2632. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Law and Order on the border (TV show)
      Fascinating stuff! I ve visited Nogales about a half dozen times. I seem to remember the fence being fairly accurately lined up with the monuments in the
      Jun 02, 2001 @ 22:15 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
2633. Switzerland-Liechtenstein
      Hi, As I was looking back through the archived messages awhile back, it seems like someone was making the argument that the Switzerland-Liechtenstein border is
      Jun 02, 2001 @ 22:17 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
2634. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Law and Order on the border (TV show)
      Actually David, you re right. There is a possibility of a US citizen losing citizenship if he/she serves in a foreign military. This is done on a case by
      Jun 02, 2001 @ 22:22 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
2635. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Law and Order on the border (TV show)
      Thanks Dallen...you summed it up far better than I! Bill
      Jun 02, 2001 @ 22:21 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
2636. US-Mexico
      Bill, next time you re in Arizona, stop by and we ll head for the border! I was in Douglas this past Monday and Tuesday at some meetings on both sides of the
      Jun 02, 2001 @ 22:32 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
2637. shared buildings-US/Canada
      Thanks for sending this joint government website. I guess the joint border structures are coming true after all. It looks like only the one in Yukon/Alaska
      Jun 02, 2001 @ 22:42 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
2638. Re: [BoundaryPoint] US-Mexico
      I m going to take you up on that!! I had read about the horse race before, but was unaware of the 40 year interval...I think I have a better chance of seeing
      Jun 02, 2001 @ 22:40 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
2639. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Vermont Circumnavigation
      RE: [BoundaryPoint] Vermont CircumnavigationThe island is named Province Island and the peninsula is named Province Point! BJB ... From: Dallen Timothy To:
      Jun 02, 2001 @ 22:37 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
2640. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Vermont Circumnavigation
      RE: [BoundaryPoint] Vermont CircumnavigationYour recollection is correct. I did not see the sign on the house but I did notice the convenience store/house.
      Jun 02, 2001 @ 22:38 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
2641. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Law and Order on the border (TV show)
      Yes, this was in the opera house in Derby Line. One of the Beatles was supposed to be a fugitive from justice in the US on a drug charge, possession of
      Jun 02, 2001 @ 22:40 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
2642. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Law and Order on the border (TV show)
      Delayed more than denied, basically just early 70 s-style cop vs. kid stuff. BJB ... From: Bill Hanrahan To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday,
      Jun 02, 2001 @ 22:43 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
2643. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Law and Order on the border (TV show)
      Oh yeah, I ve played that game...! Bill
      Jun 02, 2001 @ 22:49 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
2644. Re: [BoundaryPoint] US-Mexico
      Moose are not so lucky on the Maine/Québec border. A couple of years ago my brother Gregg and I visited the Maine - New Hampshire - Québec tri-point and the
      Jun 02, 2001 @ 22:57 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
2645. Live Free Or Die
      Correction. Maine has nothing to do with the moose story since the salt blocks, trough, and tree stands are near the New Hampshire - Québec boundary.
      Jun 02, 2001 @ 23:01 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
2646. Maritime Boundaries
      ... You obviously know a fair amount about Okino Tori Shima / Parece Vela - I ve found it difficult to discover anything about the place. What s the
      Jun 02, 2001 @ 22:59 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
2647. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Article on Opera House in Derby Line/Vt.
      Thanks Peter for this excellent article. I hadn t read it, so it is very informative. Dallen ... From: Peter Hering [mailto:hering@mail.tele.dk] Sent:
      Jun 02, 2001 @ 23:40 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
2648. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Live Free Or Die
      Live salt free or die. Bill ... Live salt free or die. Bill At 07:01 PM 6/2/01, you wrote: Correction. Maine has nothing to do with the moose story since
      Jun 03, 2001 @ 00:29 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
2649. RE: [BoundaryPoint] and more pics
      dallen, i also say keep them coming. seeing your photos has made this saturday-night-in-tokyo-with-my-family-back-in-new-hampshire more bearable. btw, any
      Jun 03, 2001 @ 01:10 - Beckett, Bob ("Beckett, Bob" <Bob.Beckett@...>)
2650. international bridge
      Hi Bob, Good to hear from you. I know the feeling about being far away from family. It gets tiring. I do have a picture of the world s shortest
      Jun 03, 2001 @ 01:57 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
2651. Re: [BoundaryPoint] NZ EEZ
      The Bounty islands were named for the ship of Bligh fame, not for their insular abundancy. They are a bird sanctuary. Permission is needed to land, and
      Jun 03, 2001 @ 02:04 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2652. Re: [BoundaryPoint] dual citizens
      Australia allows dual citizens for those from other countries coming to Australia, but revokes the citizenship of those obtaining other citizenships. Thus a
      Jun 03, 2001 @ 02:23 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2653. Re: [BoundaryPoint] dual citizens
      ... This is true not only for Baarle but for the whole EU since some years. Anybody having a passport of one EU member state may vote in the muncipal elections
      Jun 03, 2001 @ 06:45 - Manfred Haertel (Manfred Haertel <Manfred.Haertel@...>)
2654. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Neum
      Glad you enjoyed the pictures Peter. My sense is that Bosnia is sealocked, as you suggest, because there is no straightline path to the open sea; too many
      Jun 02, 2001 @ 21:25 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
2655. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Switzerland-Liechtenstein
      Hello Dallen, I think I was the someone you were referring to about the demarcation of the Liechtenstein-Swiss border. My mentioning of the lack of boundary
      Jun 03, 2001 @ 08:28 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
2656. European boundaries-some statistics
      Hello border freaks, I m quite a lucky man at the moment, since I succeeded in getting the bible from my local library: The Encyclopedia of Intern l
      Jun 03, 2001 @ 08:37 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
2657. [No Subject]
      
      Jun 03, 2001 @ 15:43 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2658. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
      Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File :
      Jun 03, 2001 @ 18:13 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com ( <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>)
2659. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Switzerland-Liechtenstein
      Hi Peter, Thanks for clarifying this. I think I was using a 1960s topo map, but maybe I am wrong. My own explorations of the southern border were in 1995.
      Jun 03, 2001 @ 18:58 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
2660. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Switzerland-Liechtenstein
      Dear Dallen Your attachment did not work, please try again. Jesper ... From: Dallen Timothy To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001
      Jun 03, 2001 @ 19:41 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2661. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Switzerland-Liechtenstein
      There is a nice picture of this border on BorderPictures. Jesper ... From: Dallen Timothy To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 8:58
      Jun 03, 2001 @ 21:00 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2662. articles
      Hi, Maybe some of you have already read these articles, but if any of you have access to academic journals, these two are amazing articles loaded with pictures
      Jun 03, 2001 @ 23:04 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
2663. Picture from Bosnia
      This photograph was taken in the spring of 1997 near a former Yugoslav airbase that had been destroyed. The file size is tiny, I know. I ll try to find the
      Jun 04, 2001 @ 00:21 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
2664. Re: [BoundaryPoint] dual citizens
      ... What about if you don t live there but you own a house there? Surely a non-resident landowner gets a say in the municipality that charges him rates? Also,
      Jun 04, 2001 @ 01:21 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2665. Re: articles
      1679! That would be the oldest marker any of us have found in the US. I did find what appears to be an original (1731) marker at the former Connecticut -
      Jun 04, 2001 @ 01:47 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
2666. Re: dual citizens
      In Massachusetts you cannot vote in town elections or participate in town meetings (the official form of government in many towns) unless you are a registered
      Jun 04, 2001 @ 01:50 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
2667. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: articles
      Any US or major foreign university library would have this highly regarded journal. BW ...
      Jun 04, 2001 @ 02:54 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2668. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: dual citizens
      Nothing like democracy! Sort of like residents and even US citizens in Washington DC who had fewer rights than citizens in the 50 states because DC was not a
      Jun 04, 2001 @ 02:58 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2669. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: articles
      The 1679 date is only approx. from my memory. I ll have to look it up in my notes, but I m pretty sure it s from the 1600s sometime, but it could be the early
      Jun 04, 2001 @ 03:23 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
2670. NZ EEZ etc
      I m afraid I have some bad news for Grant - according to official New Zealand charts (NZ 223F and 224F) the mooted high seas enclave between the EEZs generated
      Jun 04, 2001 @ 11:21 - Martin Pratt ("Martin Pratt" <m.a.pratt@durham.ac.uk>)
2671. List of boundaries in the Americas
      Step 1 - Europe, next step The Americas... here it is... the list on American boundaries based on Gideon Biger s bible . Enjoy Peter H.
      Jun 04, 2001 @ 11:40 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
2672. List on Amer.bound. - query+cry for help!
      Hello again, forgot to tell you this: as you ll see in the list, there s a questionmark after the last boundary - the shortest one - between the French and
      Jun 04, 2001 @ 11:44 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
2673. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
      Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File :
      Jun 04, 2001 @ 11:49 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com ( <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>)
2674. Re: [BoundaryPoint] thanks to Martin!!+CIA
      Thanks Martin for this phantastic link, what should we do without the CIA??? Here I was working, sweating and swearing at my computer, and suddenly theCIA
      Jun 04, 2001 @ 11:58 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
2675. Re: NZ EEZ etc
      ... Curses and thanks in equal proportions! This, of course, fits with what Brendan s stamp was telling me all along. (Though I d guess a bit of artistic
      Jun 04, 2001 @ 13:03 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <grant.l.hutchison@...>)
2676. Re: Thanks to Martin!!+CIA
      ... Maybe both? Many boundaries (especially those defined by watersheds or ridgelines) are fractal - so, like coastlines, their measured length would depend on
      Jun 04, 2001 @ 13:11 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <grant.l.hutchison@...>)
2677. Message 2607, 2.6.2001 DENL
      Hi, In this case i got the Dutch - German treaty from the German “Institut für Geodäsie” in Berlin/Frankfurt. Take a look on www.ifag.de. The older
      Jun 04, 2001 @ 13:30 - Wolfgang Gärtner (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Wolfgang_G=E4rtner?= <wgartner@...>)
2678. more Ghana/Togo/Benin Pics
      Here are a few more pictures from West Africa taken in March-April 2001. 1) The Togo-Ghana border from the Ghana side. The small blue building is the Ghana
      Jun 04, 2001 @ 17:36 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
2679. more US-Canada odds and ends
      Hi Again, I found some more US-Canada pics that might be of interest, although as I said before, most of my collection is in slides. 1) This house lies on the
      Jun 04, 2001 @ 17:52 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
2680. misc. border shots
      Here are a few other mixed border shots that might be interesting. 1) The Kuwait-Saudi Arabia border crossing. This picture was taken during the Gulf War in
      Jun 04, 2001 @ 18:02 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
2681. secret pass etc
      tonopah nv found & cleared secret pass yesterday up near elko & i see you guys are pretty good yourselves like my mailbox is terminally clogged but i needed to
      Jun 04, 2001 @ 19:38 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
2682. Re: [BoundaryPoint] more US-Canada odds and ends
      Dallen thanks again for the great shots. The arrow shot has me double intrigued...I m a private pilot, but have never seen any reference to the arrow in any
      Jun 04, 2001 @ 19:59 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
2683. Re: [BoundaryPoint] more US-Canada odds and ends
      Dallen is that a small white (non standard monument) to the right of the road? Bill
      Jun 04, 2001 @ 20:08 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
2684. RE: [BoundaryPoint] more US-Canada odds and ends
      Bill, I m not aware of any other such arrows on the border. This trail of them might be a place-specific arrangement. Does anyone know of any other such
      Jun 04, 2001 @ 20:28 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
2685. RE: [BoundaryPoint] more US-Canada odds and ends
      No it s just a rock. There s a stone monument behind me down the hill by immigration and then further west past the arrow about a half mile or so is a metal
      Jun 04, 2001 @ 20:44 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
2686. Re: Thanks to Martin!!+CIA
      I d like to get someone s opinion on this (someone, that is, someone that knows how these things work out legally). Is it true that, when a border treaty says
      Jun 04, 2001 @ 21:01 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2687. RE: [BoundaryPoint] more US-Canada odds and ends
      Yeah, I guess sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and a rock is just a rock! Bill
      Jun 04, 2001 @ 21:03 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
2688. RE: [BoundaryPoint] more US-Canada odds and ends
      Do you remember the name of that particular airport? Scobey Airport (Scobey, MT) or Piney Pinecreek Border Airport (Pinecreek, MN) come to mind as likely
      Jun 04, 2001 @ 21:00 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
2689. Re: [BoundaryPoint] more US-Canada odds and ends
      Other Intermational Airports would be: Geneva Gibraltar Jesper ... From: Bill Hanrahan To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 11:00 PM
      Jun 04, 2001 @ 21:28 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2690. Re: more US-Canada odds and ends
      How about Donostia/San Sebastian airport at Hondarribia/Fuenterrabia? There is even an international (esfr) treaty about the fact that every plane that leaves
      Jun 04, 2001 @ 21:53 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2691. Airports near boundaries
      This one is pretty close. I drove past this one on the way to ME-NB- QC. It looks like you might easily cross into Canadian airspace on takeoff with winds
      Jun 04, 2001 @ 22:03 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
2692. Duh, and here's the missing link
      ... Airport ... to mind ... border ... actually ... Municipal ... memory ... of the ... avoid a ...
      Jun 04, 2001 @ 22:05 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
2693. Hondarribiako nazioarteko aireportua (H. int'l airport)
      A reminder: the first link in msg. 1799 Peter S. ... Hondarribia/Fuenterrabia? ... other ... lot ... Barcelona, ... runway ... come ... only) ... Municipal ...
      Jun 04, 2001 @ 22:14 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2694. Interesting link: photos of Norway/Russia border
      http://www.specialoperations.com/Foreign/Norway/Borderguards/Grensekompaniet_Photos1.htm
      Jun 05, 2001 @ 03:25 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
2695. BeDeNe
      Here is a nice German 1:25k map of our favourite tript. For those going on the September point-crawl, may I suggest taking the road from Aachen that heads west
      Jun 05, 2001 @ 04:57 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
2696. Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
      1:5000 mapping of the roetgen enclaves is available fomr the Nordrhein-Westphalian survey office. Unfortunately they don t take credit cards (Europeans are
      Jun 05, 2001 @ 05:28 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
2697. last 2 enclave scans
      BW _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
      Jun 05, 2001 @ 05:32 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
2698. 4th enclave scan
      Didn t seem to work in the 2nd msg... BW _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN
      Jun 05, 2001 @ 05:40 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
2699. Märket
      This is the best site I have found on Märket so far. This is the first time I have seen Märket on a map. http://www.dx.to/oj0_1.htm Jesper
      Jun 05, 2001 @ 10:24 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2700. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
      The very thick black dashes mark the international border, correct? Which continues between the heavy marks along the thin line. ... Just to be certain I
      Jun 05, 2001 @ 13:12 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
2701. [No Subject]
      Some interesting data on West Berlin exclaves: http://members.aol.com/marismits/Berlin.htm Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping!
      Jun 05, 2001 @ 13:30 - michaelsimmons@altavista.com (michaelsimmons@...)
2702. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BeDeNe
      Sorry to be dense here, but I don t follow. I see one prominent border on the scanned map, running southeast-northwest and with boundary markers 1021,
      Jun 05, 2001 @ 13:36 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
2703. Re: [BoundaryPoint] (unknown)
      What are or were they exclaves of? And into? David
      Jun 05, 2001 @ 13:38 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
2704. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
      Thansk for these scanned maps. This is so far the most complicated borders I have seen so far, but I guess also the most perculiar. If you thought Chile as a
      Jun 05, 2001 @ 14:20 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2705. Re: BeDeNe
      ... border on ... markers ... that the ... I think Drei Steine is the tripoint, although there aren t three stones there, but at benl boundary marker no. 1.
      Jun 05, 2001 @ 15:00 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2706. Re: (unknown)
      These are former W. Berlin enclaves in the G.D.R. Peter S.
      Jun 05, 2001 @ 15:01 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2707. Re: Maritime Boundaries - Okino-tori Shima revisited
      The things I know about Okino-tori Shima are from a book by Boudewijn Büch, Het ijspaleis , the third in a series called Eilanden ( Islands ), Amsterdam,
      Jun 05, 2001 @ 15:07 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2708. Okino-tori Shima pictures
      ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free
      Jun 05, 2001 @ 15:11 - Peter Smaardijk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Smaardijk?= <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
2709. Canadian Time Zone oddities - link
      Lots of maps and stuff on Canadian time zone oddities: http://www.canadiangeographic.ca/SO98/geomap.htm Doug
      Jun 05, 2001 @ 17:04 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
2710. River sources and Okino-tori-shima
      Some time back I remember Michael trying to establish the coordinates of a river source (though I now can t find the orginal posting). The files at the USGS
      Jun 05, 2001 @ 17:21 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
2711. Re: [BoundaryPoint] (unknown)
      I created the Berlin exclave website for Mats as an info on the size of the Berlin exclaves. They were all parts of West Berlin surrounded by rest of Germany,
      Jun 05, 2001 @ 19:03 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
2712. more fluff
      elko nv nearing completion now of our whirlwind tour of nevada including the whirlwind valley we have devoured a succession of empty dreamscapes on casino
      Jun 05, 2001 @ 19:45 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
2713. Question for Japanese speaking
      Is this a border picture? http://www.parkcity.ne.jp/~tomato/3guyanas/g-setsumei6.html Jesper
      Jun 05, 2001 @ 20:12 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2714. Re: Question for Japanese speaking
      You can get (sort of) a translation at babelfish.altavista.com (without the www.!). If you enter the url of the site you want to ... * Guyanese joint republic
      Jun 05, 2001 @ 20:48 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2715. Re: Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
      ... second of the ... Germans ... parking ... hotel/small ... Right, I think I know where this is - the road coming in from the left and leaving towards
      Jun 05, 2001 @ 21:12 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
2716. Re: [BoundaryPoint] (unknown)
      Enclaves OF the said allied secotrs IN East Germany. As the note on the page says, this is no more than is contianed in Catudal s book Steinstuecken, a study
      Jun 06, 2001 @ 01:28 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2717. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BeDeNe
      Yes, the BeNe border is much less obvious than the DeNe and BeDe borders, and does indeed folow the Gp/Ga stones. The dreistein is the tripoint. The BeNe
      Jun 06, 2001 @ 01:41 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2718. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
      ... Yes. ... Yes. A single house and a few small fields. A local road runs along the east side, with the Vennbahn Belgian railway in front of that and Germany
      Jun 06, 2001 @ 02:17 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2719. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
      The road junction from Roetgen (west) Monschau (south) and Lammersdorf(east). The blank southern area is Belgium proper, the north with the details, the larger
      Jun 06, 2001 @ 02:50 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2720. Re: BeDeNe
      ... borders, ... A small note on this: On Dutch maps, boundary markers are normally indicated by the letters Gp or Gs. Gp means grenspaal. These are, when on
      Jun 06, 2001 @ 09:31 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2721. Site on boundary markers Sluis/Aardenburg
      A very nice site on the boundary markers of the Sluis-Aardenburg municipality, in the extreme south-western corner of the Netherlands. Especially the triplet
      Jun 06, 2001 @ 10:56 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2722. Re: [BoundaryPoint] dual citizens
      In the US, even a resident land-owner like me gets no say in local elections if not a US Citizen. Canada changed to that system back in the 1970s. In the
      Jun 06, 2001 @ 12:02 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
2723. Re: Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
      Some things are not entirely clear to me, though: 1. What is a traffic island (purely a language thing)? Is it the parking lot due east of Fringshaus? 2. Why
      Jun 06, 2001 @ 12:05 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2724. Re: Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
      A good lesson for me not to believe everything on maps (and subsequently post something here): the road is Bundesstrasse 258. On the Belgian topo maps I have,
      Jun 06, 2001 @ 16:48 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2725. Iron Curtain
      Are there any Iron Curtain remains? Maybe kept for symbolic reasons? Jesper
      Jun 06, 2001 @ 20:45 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2726. Fw: Border Line
      I wonder what else I could have meant?!?! :-) ... From: USAoffice To: Jesper Nielsen Sent: Wednesday, June
      Jun 06, 2001 @ 20:47 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2727. Re: [BoundaryPoint] dual citizens
      So what happens if (a purely technical question) a small municpality, say Rolling hills in Los Angeles, has ONLY foreign (non-US citien) landowners? Unlikely,
      Jun 07, 2001 @ 01:06 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2728. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
      A traffic island is a small area in the middle of an intersection that is out of bounds to traffic. Like the circle of land the Arc de Triomphe is on in the
      Jun 07, 2001 @ 01:15 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2729. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
      ON the Monschauer Land Rurseengebeit Wanderkarte (1:25k) by the Nordrhein-Westfalen Landesvermessungsamt, the road from Roetgen to Monschau is the B258,
      Jun 07, 2001 @ 01:23 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2730. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
      Belgian topo 1:10 000 43/8 Nord uses the German 1:25000 info in black and white for the German parts of the map and very detailed colour Belgian mapping for
      Jun 07, 2001 @ 01:27 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2731. Re: [BoundaryPoint] dual citizens
      You don t have to be a land owner in the US or Canada to vote-- just a citizen. Are there any countries where you must be a landowner to vote? Anyway, if in a
      Jun 07, 2001 @ 01:35 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
2732. Re: Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
      The B258 is explicitely labelled N258 within Belgium on a Belgian 1:100000 topo map. Hence my mistake. These 1:100000 maps are extremely sloppy, to my
      Jun 07, 2001 @ 06:07 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2733. Re: Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
      So my misunderstanding here is narrowed down to me not knowing what a traffic island is. Now I do, for which a profound thank you, and of course I now also
      Jun 07, 2001 @ 06:16 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2734. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
      Your right, my 1989 edition of sheet 113 at 1:100 000 does label all the German roads as N, not B. the smallest enclave won t show at this scale. On the 1:50
      Jun 07, 2001 @ 10:27 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2735. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Iron Curtain
      Jesper, There are many segments of the Iron Curtain being preserved in Germany for heritage/tourism purposes. In Berlin, city officials have painted a red
      Jun 06, 2001 @ 23:18 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
2736. enclave maps
      The German DGK5 maps are photocopies because (according to Landes... Nordrhein-Westfalen), they only make proper copies when there is demand for at least 70
      Jun 07, 2001 @ 11:22 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2737. New poll for BoundaryPoint
      Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the BoundaryPoint group: The group list software provides an option for footers to be automatically
      Jun 07, 2001 @ 11:29 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com (BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com )
2738. Happy Birthday, BoundaryPoint!
      BoundaryPoint is one year old today! Thanks to all BP participants who have made BoundaryPoint a great source for border fans from all over. Your
      Jun 07, 2001 @ 11:34 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
2739. Poll question on footers
      Judging from the appearance of the suggested footer content in the poll, the actual proposed footer format (as it would appear appended to posts) should be
      Jun 07, 2001 @ 11:40 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
2740. Re: Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
      Yes, but to draw the main border WEST of the railway at Entenpfuhl (i.e. near the smallest enclave), so that part of the Vennbahn ends up in Germany, is just
      Jun 07, 2001 @ 13:17 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2741. Happy birthday, BoundaryPoint!!!
      In case you shouldn t know: BoundaryPoint s e-mail group was founded exactly one year ago, on June 7, 2000!!! What a phantastic initiative it was, Bill and
      Jun 07, 2001 @ 14:39 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
2742. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Happy birthday, BoundaryPoint!!!
      Mmmm... Birthday Cake and Scotch! (A nice Bowmore, anyone?) Further to the GCEBE: I was contacted by CBC Radio (Canada s public broadcaster) and they want to
      Jun 07, 2001 @ 15:24 - Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline ("Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline" <dmurray@...>)
2743. a 1 point bonus for chickening out & other tales
      ontario or bp bp bithday party special from the road runners beep beep we made adobe pass ok on nv hwy 225 but couldnt eat the whole road & chickened out of
      Jun 07, 2001 @ 18:21 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
2744. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Happy Birthday, BoundaryPoint!
      I can t believe this is true. This is the second best thing that happened to me on the net. The best? Well, meeting my wife. Jesper ... From: Bill Hanrahan
      Jun 07, 2001 @ 19:13 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2745. Remember this one?
      Peter S. ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free
      Jun 07, 2001 @ 21:10 - Peter Smaardijk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Smaardijk?= <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
2746. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Happy Birthday, BoundaryPoint!
      Mighty compliments indeed! Thank you for all of your contributions here Jesper...you re a big part of it. Bill
      Jun 08, 2001 @ 01:36 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
2747. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Remember this one?
      Very nice Peter! And now let me expose my ignorance...is that a working monument I should know? Bill
      Jun 08, 2001 @ 01:44 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
2748. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Happy birthday, BoundaryPoint!!!
      Peter, I honestly hope to take you up on that one day! Bill
      Jun 08, 2001 @ 01:47 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
2749. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Happy birthday, BoundaryPoint!!!
      Good deal, Doug! Keep us posted! Bill
      Jun 08, 2001 @ 01:47 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
2750. south african tripoints
      For those interested in South African and Swazi tripoints, you can order 1:50 000 topographic maps with a credit card from the South African survey dept. They
      Jun 08, 2001 @ 02:10 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2751. Re: [BoundaryPoint] south african tripoints
      In my experience that are not so keen on credit cards (http://w3sli.wcape.gov.za/). To those who were excited about it, well my Great Southern African Border
      Jun 08, 2001 @ 03:43 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2752. Re: [BoundaryPoint] south african tripoints
      They SAY they don t take credit cards, but I emailed them anyway and they are happy to take them. Never believe everything you read on the internet! I was
      Jun 08, 2001 @ 04:48 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2753. Re: Remember this one?
      It is the top of the Breitenstein, that started its life in the dark ages before the Roman Empire, and started its life at BoundaryPoint in message 1624. I
      Jun 08, 2001 @ 08:44 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2754. BO logo on grup home page
      A stylized logo of a boundary monument has been added to BP s main page (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint). The graphic is also available in GIF
      Jun 08, 2001 @ 10:45 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
2755. Re: BO logo on grup home page
      Bill, not to nitpick, but do you have the original image (i.e., the larger one that was used to make this small one)? If so, e-mail it to me. I think I can
      Jun 08, 2001 @ 15:13 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
2756. the morning after & the party lives
      driftwood library lincoln city or great party all & major thanx again to all parties for being here very droll & gorgeous of you peter especially to bring the
      Jun 09, 2001 @ 01:01 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
2757. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Happy Birthday, BoundaryPoint!
      Happy Birthday, BoundaryPointers! Many returns. An e-card via e-mail to an e-group. (hope this works) gl Harry ten Veen This is the text I wanted to send to
      Jun 08, 2001 @ 22:32 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <h.ten.veen@...>)
2758. update border-site
      hello, latest up-date on the Border Site: pictures of Hungarian Komarom and Slovakian Komarno now online (No. 20), as well as 5 pictures of Hungarian border
      Jun 09, 2001 @ 04:41 - kahbeh@hotmail.com (kahbeh@...)
2759. Re: Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
      hello, maybe old news: but the Belgian railway Vennbahn which runs thru German territory has an internet site on www.vennbahn.de regards Bernd ... the ...
      Jun 09, 2001 @ 04:44 - kahbeh@hotmail.com (kahbeh@...)
2760. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
      Can anyone identify the crossing and say where this is in the map. Or just tell what part is BE and what part is DE. Jesper ... From: To:
      Jun 09, 2001 @ 12:46 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2761. Re: [BoundaryPoint] thanks to Martin!!+CIA
      How is the BEDE and BENL borders measured? Incuding the realway border (which should make it much longer) and Baarle? Jesper ... From: Peter Hering To:
      Jun 09, 2001 @ 12:48 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2762. Great CAUS border story
      http://www.outtakes.com/45th/45th6.html
      Jun 09, 2001 @ 16:52 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2763. Canada or Mexico
      http://ens.lycos.com/ens/pics8/borderstation.jpg
      Jun 09, 2001 @ 17:13 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2764. just more multi stuff
      newport or harry that was a great multi e idea anyway & jesper we are right with you too crossed the 45th parallel at least twice the other day the most
      Jun 09, 2001 @ 17:40 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
2765. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Canada or Mexico
      Jesper, It would be easier to tell if we could see some car registration plates. However, my guess is Mexico. Most of the Canadian s crossing don t look like
      Jun 09, 2001 @ 17:57 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
2766. An Indian Ocean high seas enclave
      Attached is an EEZ rendering of the Indian Ocean north-east of Madagascar, with one nice high seas enclave I m prepared to hang my hat on, and another tiny
      Jun 09, 2001 @ 23:53 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@cs.com)
2767. Re: Canada or Mexico
      Judging by the cowboy hat and drug-sniffing dog, I would say this is a Mexico/US border crossing. It looks identical to the one at Tijuana, but maybe others
      Jun 10, 2001 @ 01:13 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
2768. New member - in Lithuania
      For some weeks I have had the great pleasure subscribing to the Boundary Point list. I was told about it by Mr Rolf Palmberg, who has learned me much about
      Jun 10, 2001 @ 17:08 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <Jan@...>)
2769. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New member - in Lithuania
      Jan, thank you for the good thoughts...I m certainly glad you ve found BoundaryPoint! With your permission, I would like to list your site on BP s links and
      Jun 10, 2001 @ 17:56 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
2770. RE: [BoundaryPoint] New member - in Lithuania
      Thanks, Bill! Thanks for your comments. Certainly you must list my page! Jan ... From: Bill Hanrahan [mailto:hanrahan@kua.net] Sent: 10. juni 2001 19.57 To:
      Jun 10, 2001 @ 18:00 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <Jan@...>)
2771. FW: [BoundaryPoint] New member - in Lithuania
      ...sorry my terrible English... I meant to say - Certainly you MAY list my page! Jan ... From: Jan Krogh [mailto:Jan@Krogh.com] Sent: 10. juni 2001 20.00 To:
      Jun 10, 2001 @ 18:57 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
2772. RE: [BoundaryPoint] New member - in Lithuania
      Will do...thanks Jan! Bill
      Jun 10, 2001 @ 19:18 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
2773. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New member - in Lithuania
      Jan, Greetings and welcome! Your enclave page is excellent. I m the guy who did the Point Roberts page. I m a 38 year old television producer who lives in
      Jun 10, 2001 @ 19:31 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
2774. Re: FW: [BoundaryPoint] New member - in Lithuania
      I understood fully Jan! Your English is considerably better than my Norwegian or Lithuanian! Thank you also for putting the BP link on your page as well.
      Jun 10, 2001 @ 19:34 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
2775. Re: New member - in Lithuania
      Hi Jan, Of course you are most welcome to our little discussion spot on the web. I am especially glad that someone from Lithuania has joined us. A couple of
      Jun 10, 2001 @ 20:31 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2776. Narva/Ivangorod - Valga/Valka
      Doug, Thanks so much! Great to hear that you too are here! I enjoyed the Point Roberts page, especially how detailed you made it. Nothing was left to wonder
      Jun 10, 2001 @ 20:29 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
2777. ongoing & upcoming tries
      florence or welcome jan & nice going grant tho i cant receive either of your sends here yet still it is very civilized in oregon with libraries even open on
      Jun 10, 2001 @ 22:56 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
2778. Re: ongoing & upcoming tries
      Regarding ORW: This area is a real fractal mess, with the definition of ORW apparently depending on the map scale. I agree that the Cape Blanco headland is a
      Jun 11, 2001 @ 00:33 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
2779. Limitless
      Here is a picture of the boat I mentioned in my last post: http://www.dispatch.com/news/newsfea99/july99/mike16fea.html Come to think of it, this might make a
      Jun 11, 2001 @ 00:38 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
2780. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
      On the bilder ie pictures, page on http://www.vennbahn.de/ There is another photo 4 from the bottom of the page, looking down the road towards the rail line
      Jun 11, 2001 @ 01:33 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2781. Lithuanian enclave
      Jan, greetings from a fellow enclave nut in Australia. Nice maps on your site. I too am confused by the name you gave the Lithuanian enclavei n Belaurs, as ny
      Jun 11, 2001 @ 02:06 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2782. Lithuanian enclave2
      Jan, The following is from the LIETUVOS RESPUBLIKOS UZSIENIO REIKALU MINISTERIJA VALSTYBES SIENOS DELIMITAVIMO IR DEMARKAVIMO KOMISIJA or in English MINISTRY
      Jun 11, 2001 @ 02:12 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2783. Estonian-Russian border
      Hi everyone! My name is Andres, 23-years old estonian and I joined today to this group. Some days earlier I sent to Peter Hering an e-mail concerning the
      Jun 11, 2001 @ 08:27 - andreslb2000@yahoo.co.uk (andreslb2000@...)
2784. BorderPictures
      I am now on my African update. However I came across this great USMX gallery http://shoko.calarts.edu/old/AlejandroRosas/boundary/archive_one.html Jesper
      Jun 11, 2001 @ 19:42 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2785. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BorderPictures
      Good one, Jesper! I ll place it in the Bookmarks (links) section. Bill
      Jun 11, 2001 @ 21:09 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
2786. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Estonian-Russian border
      Andres, an especially warm welcome to our first Estonian in the group! On an unrelated topic...have you ever heard of the late Paul Saagpakk who passed away in
      Jun 11, 2001 @ 21:36 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
2787. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Estonian-Russian border
      Tere, kuidas käsi käib, Andres! Greetings from Vilnius. Great to have a fellow Balt in the group. Welcome to the list! I am a 36 old Norwegian living down
      Jun 11, 2001 @ 22:47 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <Jan@...>)
2788. Adutiskes
      Hi Peter Thanks for very interesting postings! What you are writing about Adutiškes is more or less what I know, too. We were there, I think around 96, and
      Jun 11, 2001 @ 22:46 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <Jan@Krogh.com>)
2789. westernmost oregon
      gold beach or good pointing at orw this morning on & around cape blanco photographed absolute orw from the clifftop first more or less marked by a passing
      Jun 11, 2001 @ 23:02 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
2790. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Lithuanian enclave
      Brendan, Pagiriai is the official Lithuanian name of the farm. The name I used was the local Russian name, as most villagers in this area are of Slavic origin
      Jun 11, 2001 @ 23:12 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <Jan@Krogh.com>)
2791. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Lithuanian enclave
      Brendan, Pagiriai is the official Lithuanian name of the farm. The name I used was the local Russian name, as most villagers in this area are of Slavic origin
      Jun 11, 2001 @ 23:13 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <Jan@Krogh.com>)
2792. Driving on the right
      Talking of driving on the right hand side, there is only one public street in the UK where you can do this. Where? In the heart of London: the Savoy hotel
      Jun 12, 2001 @ 01:14 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2793. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Driving on the right
      Brendan, are you aware of any land borders between countries which drive on opposite sides of the road, thereby requiring a changeover at the border? Bill
      Jun 12, 2001 @ 01:17 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
2794. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Driving on the right
      Of course! This was a question in my quiz to the international boundaries list, last Christmas that got posted to this list about the same time. For best
      Jun 12, 2001 @ 01:56 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2795. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Driving on the right
      Fascinating...the number far exceeds what I expected! I vaguely remember some discussion of same, but I guess I must have been daydreaming. Thanks for
      Jun 12, 2001 @ 02:59 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
2796. FW: [BoundaryPoint] Estonian-Russian border
      I forgot to underline that this about 5 km road, west of the Swedish Kvarnbergsvattnet lake at Gäddede town in Middle Sweden, at this time of course did was
      Jun 12, 2001 @ 05:45 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <Jan@...>)
2797. Africanboundaries-statistics
      Dear fellow boundary freaks, attached pls find the latest statistics on boundary lines from all over the world: African boundaries - ranking, length of
      Jun 12, 2001 @ 07:25 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
2798. Gideon Biger
      Thanks, Peter for your boundaries statistics! How to buy the Gideon Biger - on internet? (In this country it is not yet possible to order this kind of books at
      Jun 12, 2001 @ 08:14 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <Jan@...>)
2799. driving on the right. How to practice
      For all those who regularly drive on the left, here is my tip for practising dring on the right in France Belgium and especially Italy. 1) Buy a computer
      Jun 12, 2001 @ 10:51 - michaelstride@hotmail.com (michaelstride@...)
2800. Number of roads_ Answer
      The answer is none! They are ALL streets, avenues etc, but no roads. The City is a seperatly defined area with its own police force and boundaries.
      Jun 12, 2001 @ 10:57 - michaelstride@hotmail.com (michaelstride@...)
2801. Re: Number of roads_ Answer
      Alright... And the capital of Britain is not the City of London but the City of Westminster then, housing both Parliament and the Queen? And no, the capital of
      Jun 12, 2001 @ 11:10 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2802. Re: Adutiskes
      Beautiful pictures Jan! The Byelorussian village is probably called Kruki. This is the name I found in the Moskovskie novosti article, although I couldn t find
      Jun 12, 2001 @ 11:16 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2803. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon Biger
      Yes, indeed, Jan - The Bible can be bought through Internet bookstores .. as far as I re- member it s quite a heavy price, appr. 100US! you d have to pay...
      Jun 12, 2001 @ 12:22 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
2804. capital city info for Peter
      Well, I checked my databases for legislation that defines London, or indeed the City of Westminster as the Capital and drew a blank (Im a lawyer). As I m
      Jun 12, 2001 @ 14:51 - michaelstride@hotmail.com (michaelstride@...)
2805. Re: [BoundaryPoint] capital city info for Peter
      South Africa is also a bit funny here, with three capitals: Pretoria - Administrative Capital Cape Town - Legislative Capital Bloemfontein - Judicial Capital
      Jun 12, 2001 @ 15:22 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2806. caorus to oruswa
      coos bay or good to get all those road rules straight at last as we dodge logging trucks smiling of course nothing much new here either but i did learn the
      Jun 12, 2001 @ 17:59 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
2807. re message 2797
      peter hi could the difference between your 2 sources regarding the length of the boundary between the 2 congos be that one of them has overlooked cabinda just
      Jun 12, 2001 @ 18:26 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
2808. Re: [BoundaryPoint] re message 2797
      Well, Mike, the Cabinda border with Congo is only 201 km and the southern part of C. which neighbors DR Congo 225 km... so that can t be the explanation...nice
      Jun 12, 2001 @ 18:53 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
2809. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Custom-hedges in India
      I found some information myself; using an UK-version of AltaVista. And, no surprise, Roy Moxham has his own place in cyberspace: http://www.roymoxham.com/ here
      Jun 12, 2001 @ 20:47 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <h.ten.veen@...>)
2810. Re: Custom-hedges in India
      The only boundary hedge I know is Ef Hupster Hagiy ( http://www.spok.demon.nl/grenzeno.htm ). I just wonder where Tweehuysen got his idea from... [For all you
      Jun 12, 2001 @ 22:00 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2811. Re: capital city info for Peter
      Apart from Amsterdam being the constitutionally defined capital of the Netherlands, it is the only city that is called city as well, by virtue of the former
      Jun 12, 2001 @ 22:24 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2812. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon Biger
      ... But of course, you only have one land boundary! BW _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail
      Jun 13, 2001 @ 01:18 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2813. Re: [BoundaryPoint] capital city info for Peter
      Liie Bolivia and South Africa, the Netherlands has two capitals, de jure and de facto. Being so small, the dutch case is perhaps unsurprising. The other two
      Jun 13, 2001 @ 01:24 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2814. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Custom-hedges in India
      There are several second hand copies available at bookshops at www.abebooks.com. Or go to amazon, Barnes and Noble etc. I asked at our uni bookshop here and
      Jun 13, 2001 @ 01:28 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2815. Re: capital city info for Peter
      Bhutan used to have two capitals too: one for the summer (Thimbu) and one in wintertime (Punakha). This meant that the entire royal court, and all state civil
      Jun 13, 2001 @ 06:38 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2816. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon Biger - reply to BW+query!
      Well, Brendan, I guess you re right, DK most certainly deserves no more than one copy... having only one boundary line... Btw: there might be a chance for the
      Jun 13, 2001 @ 09:38 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
2817. Re: capital city info for Peter-europe question
      Of course, (but in no way comprable to Bhutan) the European Parliament moves from Bruxelles to Strasbourg from time to time. This is not to escape the heat
      Jun 13, 2001 @ 09:44 - michaelstride@hotmail.com (michaelstride@...)
2818. Re: Gideon Biger - reply to BW+query!
      Not Brendan but me (Peter S) responding. See Brendans message 1371 + the attached map. The Belgian railway in Germany ran near the spot called Hemmeres
      Jun 13, 2001 @ 10:01 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2819. US-Mexico photos
      I took these pictures last week. 1) This picture shows that the US-Mexico border fence is actually inside the United States by about one meter. The actual
      Jun 13, 2001 @ 16:58 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
2820. the rest
      Here are the rest of the pics to go with the commentary.
      Jun 13, 2001 @ 17:37 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
2821. US-Mexico and citizenship
      These pictures remind me of a recent discussion I had with a US Immigration supervisor about citizenship. In theory, given the fact that the fence is three
      Jun 13, 2001 @ 18:02 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
2822. Re: US-Mexico and citizenship - walls & borders
      This reminds me of something I brought up here some time ago. I was arguing that some boundary markers are actually walls, like the Berlin wall. I think it was
      Jun 13, 2001 @ 18:53 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2823. Your Corbis e-card from a friend
      Hello! You have received a FREE Corbis e-card from Jesper Nielsen. To pick up your e-card, click: http://ecard.corbis.com/c.asp?c=dPUTdyH1843316 If that
      Jun 13, 2001 @ 19:34 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2824. all the above
      yachats or pronounced yah hots meaning a passion for affirmation i would guess first public library visited where you just help yourself to the internet as if
      Jun 13, 2001 @ 19:58 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
2825. Re: [BoundaryPoint] all the above
      michael donner : first public library visited where you just help yourself to the internet as if it were a free pay phone Sounds like Denmark....... Jesper
      Jun 13, 2001 @ 20:08 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2826. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Your Corbis e-card from a friend
      Tried to sent another eCard, but I cannot spell Boundary, so here is the link http://ecard.corbis.com/c.asp?c=gbUMWfr1843387 Jesper
      Jun 13, 2001 @ 20:20 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2827. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Your Corbis e-card from a friend
      A good guess would be that the border is actually precisely where the sign is, i. e. the white line probably constitutes the border. I base this on pictures of
      Jun 13, 2001 @ 20:34 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
2829. Re: [BoundaryPoint] US-Mexico photos
      Dallen, thank you!!! I ve been anxiously waiting for these! The gap indicating US territory between the monument and the fence reminds me of several that I
      Jun 13, 2001 @ 20:58 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
2830. RE: [BoundaryPoint] US-Mexico photos
      Bill, I was thinking that the brackets on the one monument were for a fence line--maybe at one time the fence was actually attached to the the boundary marker
      Jun 13, 2001 @ 21:04 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
2831. RE: [BoundaryPoint] US-Mexico photos
      Come to think of it, you re probably right Dallen...I guess a good example would be the large monument near the beach in the Imperial Beach-Tijuana area: from
      Jun 13, 2001 @ 21:19 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
2832. RE: [BoundaryPoint] US-Mexico photos
      That s correct, and I think it s only one of the very few (if there are any others) where the fence is precisely on the border. I haven t been to that poin
      Jun 13, 2001 @ 21:25 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
2833. Re: US-Mexico and citizenship
      I m not a constitutional lawyer (I don t even play one on TV), but I can see why this raises some interesting federal-state questions. Presumably, the US INS
      Jun 13, 2001 @ 22:35 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
2834. Sokh enclave from Jan's site
      Jan: Great maps! On the map of the Chon-Gara Uzbek enclave, there is great detail of the larger Sokh enclave, too, showing many more towns/villages than I
      Jun 13, 2001 @ 22:51 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
2835. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: US-Mexico and citizenship
      I agree Bill. In the case of the Arizona Department of Transportation, you are absolutely correct. If pavement is any indicator of legal limits, which it is,
      Jun 13, 2001 @ 23:08 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
2836. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: US-Mexico and citizenship
      Just another case of the locals being smarter than the Feds! Bill
      Jun 13, 2001 @ 23:39 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
2837. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon Biger - reply to BW+query!
      The German hamlet is Hemmeres. 1.5km south alongthe German-Belgian boundary form the E42/A60 freeway, or 8km SSE of St Vith, Belgium, and 8km SofW of Bleialf,
      Jun 14, 2001 @ 00:26 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2838. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: US-Mexico and citizenship - walls & borders
      Hadrian s wall, Antoinine Wall... And the longest fence in the world, the austrlaian vermin fences (anti rabbit and anti-dongo) which follow sttate boundaries
      Jun 14, 2001 @ 00:40 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2839. RE: [BoundaryPoint] US-Mexico photos
      The fence India is building along its 4000km Bangladesh border is 125m back fomr the zero line , as an early agreement denied the use of a 250m buffer zone
      Jun 14, 2001 @ 00:46 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2840. RE: [BoundaryPoint] US-Mexico photos
      The monument at tijunana near the beach and bull ring has the fence attached to either side of it. BW ...
      Jun 14, 2001 @ 00:47 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2841. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon Biger - reply to BW+query!
      Brendan, in a similar (but off topic) vein, there s a funny story from the aviation world about an exchange between air traffic controllers in Sydney and a 747
      Jun 14, 2001 @ 01:13 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
2842. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon Biger - reply to BW+query!
      ... I must protest! From June 2000 Denmark is entitled to another copy of Biger. Take a look at the non-wet boundary marker on Peter s own site (!) at
      Jun 14, 2001 @ 05:19 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
2843. Re: Gideon Biger - reply to BW+query!
      Is this a land border? A sea border? Or an air space border? A border on a bridge is peculiar... If it is within the 12 nm zone of both countries, I would say
      Jun 14, 2001 @ 09:31 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2844. Re: US-Mexico photos
      Not very nice, I agree, but the alternative would be that the zone is completely off limits. I recall that prior to WW2, France evacuated everyone who was
      Jun 14, 2001 @ 09:36 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2845. Estonian-Latvian border
      Hallo! As Jan found a map about Estonian-Latvian border in Valga, I would like to add an internet site about the picture of the border:
      Jun 14, 2001 @ 12:22 - andreslb2000@yahoo.co.uk (andreslb2000@...)
2846. BoNaZaZi near-miss
      Looking at my map last night, I realised something terrible. In a week s time I ll pass within a few km of the out-of-focus Botswana/Namibia/Zambia/Zimbabwe
      Jun 14, 2001 @ 12:31 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <grant.l.hutchison@...>)
2847. Estonian maps
      Andres, as you are the only Estonian here at BoundaryPoint (that I m aware of, anyway), I would like to ask you something: Can you tell me and us all what is
      Jun 14, 2001 @ 12:44 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2848. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BoNaZaZi near-miss
      I thought there was still a dispute about whether it is a quadripoint or two nearby tri-points, and if two tri-points, which two. Has it been solidly resolved
      Jun 14, 2001 @ 13:11 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
2849. Re: BoNaZaZi near-miss
      ... or ... Sorry, I ve caused confusion - I was actually making reference to this dispute, and flagging it by putting quadripoint in quotes. A while back
      Jun 14, 2001 @ 13:43 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <grant.l.hutchison@...>)
2850. Estonian map
      Thanks Peter, for that question, Yes, those are Estonian-Russian and Estonian-Latvian disputes: Map no 1 Merepiir Narva Lahel - the green line indicates
      Jun 14, 2001 @ 13:47 - andreslb2000@yahoo.co.uk (andreslb2000@...)
2851. Re: Estonian map
      Great stuff, Andres, thank you! You say that the Duma is possibly not going to ratify the new boundary. But does Estonia agree? After all, this would mean that
      Jun 14, 2001 @ 14:14 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2852. Estonia map
      Peter! Some days ago I sent to Peter Hering by post an exact Estonian map consisting of those absurd places like Dubki, Sesniki etc. I hope he will scan it.
      Jun 14, 2001 @ 14:57 - andreslb2000@yahoo.co.uk (andreslb2000@...)
2853. Re: Estonia map
      The Human rights issue would be the requirement that all Estonian citizens at least speak the national language, I gather? The whole thing doesn t surprise
      Jun 14, 2001 @ 15:13 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2854. Berlin exclaves revisited: Erlengrund, Fichtewiese
      Colleagues, On a recent trip to Germany I had the opportunity to spend a day on exclave archeology in Berlin. As you are all doubtless aware, and as has been
      Jun 14, 2001 @ 17:21 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
2855. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Berlin exclaves revisited: Erlengrund, Fichte wiese
      Excellent pictures Mats! ... From: Mats Hessman [mailto:Mats@lpa.se] Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 10:21 AM To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Subject:
      Jun 14, 2001 @ 17:57 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
2856. East-West Germany Border Diagram
      Hi Everyone, Mats pictures of the old enclave locations and the border itself got me thinking about this diagram that I ve attached here. It shows in great
      Jun 14, 2001 @ 18:13 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
2857. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon Biger - reply to BW+query!
      Thanks Brendan, for your words of comfort about Biger countries... And thanks, too, for the exact description of the location of our (sorry!) picnic table,
      Jun 14, 2001 @ 19:20 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
2858. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BoNaZaZi near-miss
      Well Grant, I d say it would be a terrible miss in either way...! Peter H. ... From: Grant Hutchison Date: Thursday, June 14, 2001 14:32:01 To:
      Jun 14, 2001 @ 19:25 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
2859. Welcome to Savienibas Street!
      That little street in Valga/Valka is really a special case! The Estonians that live on this street in Latvia, 35 in all, must be one of the smallest ethnical
      Jun 14, 2001 @ 19:39 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2860. Boundary lines Sweden-Denmark + Singap/Malaysia
      Very interesting subject, Mats! Quite recently, Jesper and I had a discussion on this topic: are boundaries on bridges to be seen as land boundaries.. it goes
      Jun 14, 2001 @ 19:59 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
2861. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Boundary lines Sweden-Denmark + Singap/Malays ia
      And then there is the case with borders in tunnels under the sea, and I can think of only one; France - UK. If we think there are only two categories, land
      Jun 14, 2001 @ 20:20 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
2862. bwana zoom zoo ho
      yachats grant bro you will be making the first known try in history at bwnazmzw aka bwnazm plus bwzmzw so you will be hailed as a conquering hero here & i
      Jun 14, 2001 @ 20:24 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
2863. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Boundary lines Sweden-Denmark + Singap/Malays ia
      Speaking of tunnel borders: Does anyone know if any borders within tunnels are marker`? Jesper ... From: Mats Hessman To:
      Jun 14, 2001 @ 20:26 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2864. UsCa border pix
      As a supplement to Dallen s great Us-Ca border pictures, I ll add another one (not on my home- page): Boundary UsA - Canada betw. Alberta/Montana US H way 17
      Jun 14, 2001 @ 20:32 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
2865. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Boundary lines Sweden-Denmark + Singap/Malays ia
      The US-Canada border is clearly marked inside the tunnel that runs between Detroit and Windsor under the Detroit River. Dallen ... From: Jesper & Nicolette
      Jun 14, 2001 @ 20:26 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
2866. RE: [BoundaryPoint] UsCa border pix
      Peter, this is definitely one of the most scenic border crossing on the US-Canada border! I m heading back up there next month to Waterton Glacier to do some
      Jun 14, 2001 @ 20:32 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
2867. Re: bwana zoom zoo ho
      ... Ah, if only I were taking the fabled Kazungula ferry ... No, we ll be travelling in much less style, bouncing along the dirt road between Vic Falls (Zim)
      Jun 14, 2001 @ 21:31 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
2868. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Boundary lines Sweden-Denmark + Singap/Malays ia
      ... There is a piece of the Canada-US border in a tunnel under a navigable river near Detroit. That s close, right? David
      Jun 15, 2001 @ 00:09 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
2869. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Gideon Biger - reply to BW+query!
      I would not count a bridge or causeway as a land boundary, any more than the chunnel. Thus Singapore is an island, as is Bahrain, and Denmark has one land
      Jun 15, 2001 @ 00:55 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2870. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Estonian maps
      On the third map, note the coastal fragment of Estonia surrounded by Russia at the south end of the lake. BW ...
      Jun 15, 2001 @ 01:05 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2871. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BoNaZaZi near-miss
      Still unresolved to my knowledge. BW ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN
      Jun 15, 2001 @ 01:06 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2872. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Gideon Biger - reply to BW+query!
      Personally, I would count a tunnel as a land boundary-- why not? (Not a bridge, and I m not sure about a causeway.) It is now 1 to 1, what do the rest of you
      Jun 15, 2001 @ 01:12 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
2873. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Boundary lines Sweden-Denmark + Singap/Malays ia
      The various Spanish-French and Italian-French road tunnels are marked I m sure. I was near Aldwich tube station in London last year, and at one nasty road
      Jun 15, 2001 @ 01:29 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2874. Re: Boundary lines Sweden-Denmark + Singap/Malays ia
      I don t think there is a London Underground station called Aldwych. The closest one would be Temple. This is near the London/Westminster border. This border is
      Jun 15, 2001 @ 05:59 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2875. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Boundary lines Sweden-Denmark + Singap/Malays ia
      Peter There was a station called Aldwych. It look gone on the latest online map, but it was a funny peek hour line between Aldwych and Holborn. Jesper ...
      Jun 15, 2001 @ 06:11 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2876. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Boundary lines Sweden-Denmark + Singap/Malays ia
      http://www.starfury.demon.co.uk/uground/aldwych_tour.html ... From: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen To: Sent:
      Jun 15, 2001 @ 06:18 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2877. Re: Gideon Biger - reply to BW+query!
      Mmm... there we go again (you re going to keep the scores, David?). My (personal, needless to say) opinion is that the border in the tunnel depends entirely on
      Jun 15, 2001 @ 06:21 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2878. Re: Boundary lines Sweden-Denmark + Singap/Malays ia
      You re completely right. I d say the boundary then is either London/Westminster or London/Camden (Holborn sta. is in Camden). Peter S. ... Singap/Malays ia ...
      Jun 15, 2001 @ 06:29 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2879. Re: Estonian maps
      I don t see it. You don t mean Dubki? Because that is a piece of Russia surrounded by Estonia. And you can see it on the 3rd map. Peter S. ... by Russia ...
      Jun 15, 2001 @ 06:41 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2880. Artif. islands, landfills, and their effect on 12 nm
      Acc. to UNCLOS, art. 11: For the purpose of delimiting the territorial sea, the outermost permanent harbour works which form an integral part of the harbour
      Jun 15, 2001 @ 07:18 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2881. London underground and Russian pene-enclave
      You re right. Me shooting my keyboard off again. and about Aldwych. I meant Aldgate, at the eastern edge of the Circle Line. Sorry. I ll have to dig out the
      Jun 15, 2001 @ 09:26 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2882. Re: London underground and Russian pene-enclave
      Aha. In that case, it could be the boundary London/Tower Hamlets. Nice you mention all these metro things. I m a big fan of these. I just wrote an article on
      Jun 15, 2001 @ 10:32 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2883. Re: Berlin exclaves revisited: Erlengrund, Fichtewiese
      Lovely pictures, Mats. Seen in the light of what has been said here about fences/walls vs. boundaries, it is peculiar to see that Erlengrund has been kept
      Jun 15, 2001 @ 12:00 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2884. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Berlin exclaves revisited: Erlengrund, Fi chtewiese
      ... I have noticed this as well. I think that the dotted line on the map either is not correct or refers to an earlier situation. Mats
      Jun 15, 2001 @ 12:06 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
2885. Re: Gideon Biger - reply to BW+query!
      Another related issue involves extreme points with man-made extensions. The southernmost point in New Jersey is ambiguous. There are two breakwaters extending
      Jun 15, 2001 @ 15:27 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
2886. Re: Gideon Biger - reply to BW+query!
      I see the URL was split so here is is again: http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=18&e=505638&n=4308632&s=25&size=s BJB ... few ... and ... David?). ... the ...
      Jun 15, 2001 @ 15:29 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
2887. multi message du jour
      yachats still thinking we might stay here forever & join the resident pod we visited the nearby cape perpetua parapet yesterday for what is rightly billed as
      Jun 15, 2001 @ 21:08 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
2888. Estonia-Russia borderpix from Andres
      Dear boundary freaks, attached pls find three pictures from the Estonian-Russian border, taken by Andres, our new member from Estonia, in August last year.
      Jun 16, 2001 @ 13:56 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
2889. Estonia-Russia border pict.+explanation
      here s pict. no. 3 - plus the maps P.Hering
      Jun 16, 2001 @ 13:58 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
2890. Re: Estonia-Russia borderpix from Andres
      Very interesting, but I believe this is lesson 2 in boundary seduction. Jane clearly set the standard at New Mexico - Oklahoma - Texas, as shown at this link:
      Jun 16, 2001 @ 16:23 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
2891. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Estonia-Russia borderpix from Andres
      Hmmm...this could be the beginning of the pointers and bounders equivalent of the Mile High Club . Bill
      Jun 16, 2001 @ 16:38 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
2892. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
      I am not quite sure if I have misunderstood something or not, but I can only copy four present enclaves in Roetgen/Monschau. At the enclosed be_ty03,jpg file:
      Jun 16, 2001 @ 18:28 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@yahoo.no>)
2893. mxus to caus bicyclist reaches here & other tales
      yachats until further notice finally bagged our point of er oregonian oregano last night & it was worth the wait our host here is the only black person in this
      Jun 17, 2001 @ 01:52 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
2894. excuse me
      oops meant to say no one need ever be afraid now what have i done m Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
      Jun 16, 2001 @ 19:04 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
2895. Re: [BoundaryPoint] excuse me
      That s OK, Mike...the sentiments are true and appreciated. Bill
      Jun 16, 2001 @ 21:29 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
2896. NMOKTX
      And here I was at the same spot as Jane... http://www.geog.buffalo.edu/~dmark/tristate/NMOKTX02.jpg Not as good a pose, I admit. (See also
      Jun 16, 2001 @ 23:28 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
2897. Re: mxus to caus bicyclist reaches here & other tales
      I was aware of the pointlessness of the point in the photo but thought it would injure the joke if I added an asterisk. BJB
      Jun 16, 2001 @ 23:47 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
2898. NMOKTX Question
      Maybe Jack, Mike, or David can answer this: Is the true NMOKTX monument shown at the cross-hair location on the following topo map?
      Jun 17, 2001 @ 00:01 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
2899. Re: [BoundaryPoint] NMOKTX Question
      Dear BJButler, The monument I photographed and was photographed with, a concrete post some 8 inches across, shown on
      Jun 17, 2001 @ 00:21 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
2900. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
      You have the two at Roetgen, correct, then the tiny one (#3), then on your map, what is shown as a large #3 with a bottleneck and a bulbous southern end is
      Jun 17, 2001 @ 02:14 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2901. Re: NMOKTX Question
      Messages 2764 and 2893 imply that the monument you are photographed with, which, as you say, is the same one JC was photographed with, is not the real NMOKTX
      Jun 17, 2001 @ 03:03 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
2902. Re: [BoundaryPoint] NMOKTX Question
      David s description of his route to the monument, and the location of the monument is exactly the way we found it, so I too am perplexed by the questioning
      Jun 17, 2001 @ 03:25 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
2903. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
      Thank you, Brendan, very much for clearing up this question. Maybe you can help me with a correct mapping of the Reichenstein area where the two enclaves, #4
      Jun 17, 2001 @ 08:26 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <Jan@Krogh.com>)
2904. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Sokh enclave from Jan's site
      Grant, Thank you for your comments. I am sorry that I renamed the Sokh enclave. In next update I will give it back it s truely name. My reason was that I
      Jun 17, 2001 @ 10:02 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <Jan@...>)
2905. A treat in BP
      I am very proud to present what I think is a treat on BorderPictures. Look in the Africa section for Burkina-Ghana. Enjoy! Jesper ... From: Jan Krogh To:
      Jun 17, 2001 @ 12:06 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2906. Re: [BoundaryPoint] NMOKTX Question
      BJButler s reference to message 2764 explains why there is a question. ... But from my experience, my map reading, and Jack s message below, it seems to me
      Jun 17, 2001 @ 13:01 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
2907. Re: NMOKTX Question
      It does sound like Mike s recent visit was to some other marker. Having not been there yet, I could not reconcile his report with the map and/or David/Jack s
      Jun 17, 2001 @ 15:26 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
2908. about the nmoktx flap
      newport or just for the sunday open library internet fix & happy fathers day to all you bp fathers out there first of all i apologize again to members who
      Jun 18, 2001 @ 03:58 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
2909. Re: [BoundaryPoint] about the nmoktx flap
      Michael, are you REALLY claiming that the monument in http://www.bjbsoftware.com/corners/photos/NMOKTXJane.jpg is not the same as the monument in
      Jun 17, 2001 @ 21:38 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
2910. Re: about the nmoktx flap
      Hahaha. And away we go! BJB ... everybody is ... pseudonmoktx ... king jacks ... only just ... visit
      Jun 17, 2001 @ 21:50 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
2911. Re: about the nmoktx flap
      Mike, how far is the stone s throw nwn? BJB ... from ... ourselves ... review ... brian ... playful
      Jun 18, 2001 @ 00:26 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
2912. Re: about the nmoktx flap
      Make that wnw - itchy typing fingers. BJB ... that
      Jun 18, 2001 @ 00:27 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
2913. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: about the nmoktx flap
      And how big was the stone?
      Jun 18, 2001 @ 00:30 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
2914. Roetgen-Monschau
      In the following emails I include scans of an overall map of the post-1945 changes along the Bel-Ger border, from the International Boundary Study No7, June
      Jun 18, 2001 @ 02:11 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
2915. Roetgen-Monschau 2
      _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
      Jun 18, 2001 @ 02:13 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
2916. quadpoint RuChMoKa
      This is my first time on the group. Is this a true Quadpoint or not, I can t tell on my maps. ThankYou Randy Finder
      Jun 18, 2001 @ 02:24 - Randy Finder ("Randy Finder" <naraht@...>)
2917. Cooch Behar
      This scan is the sketch map of enclaves along the India-Bangladesh boundary from an article by R.Banerjee, the Commissioner of the Presidency division of West
      Jun 18, 2001 @ 02:26 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
2918. Re: [BoundaryPoint] quadpoint RuChMoKa
      No, it s two tri points, about 35miles apart. Thus russia has 2 boundary segments with China. Brendan Whyte ...
      Jun 18, 2001 @ 02:30 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2919. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Cooch Behar
      Brendan, Thank you for sharing your knowledge an wonderful maps, as seen recently with the Cooch Behar and Monschau/Roetgen-maps. The Cooch Behar map was
      Jun 18, 2001 @ 05:40 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
2920. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: London underground and Russian pene-enclave
      The underground issue is a bid off-topic. Perhaps we should make a new group. Just to brag a little bit: I was employed by London Transport in 1988-1990. Had a
      Jun 18, 2001 @ 05:49 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2921. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Cooch Behar
      Brendan, Where is the counter-counter-exclave, please? There is one, isn t there? Mats ... [..cut..]
      Jun 18, 2001 @ 07:29 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
2922. Re: London underground and Russian pene-enclave
      ... new group. Perhaps we should. ... 1988-1990. Had a free travel pass and did all sorts of things like seeing all stations. ... atlas of London, go check the
      Jun 18, 2001 @ 09:23 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2923. Re: quadpoint RuChMoKa
      According to a Russian article I have, the eastern part of the Chinese-Russian border is 4195 km 220 m long, and the western part 56 km 575 m. By the way: the
      Jun 18, 2001 @ 09:33 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2924. Re: Roetgen-Monschau 2
      There is a very peculiar situation to be seen on the scan Monschau1: the road L106 near a farm I think is called Hatzevenn: a German corridor in Belgium. For
      Jun 18, 2001 @ 09:38 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2925. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Cooch Behar
      Pink #51 inside green 19 inside pink 42/43/47 complex. ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free
      Jun 18, 2001 @ 10:53 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2926. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Roetgen-Monschau 2
      Yes, I don t know what the story is here. from bieng there, the signs on the road imply the road is Belgian. The boundary stones do too. That the end of this
      Jun 18, 2001 @ 11:08 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2927. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: London underground and Russian pene-enclave
      Yes, I do mean Epping Forest and Enfield, and even Waltham Forest and Enfield. My map is a London Streetfinder of 1994. Jesper ... From: Peter Smaardijk
      Jun 18, 2001 @ 12:55 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2928. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Cooch Behar
      ... Thanks. I took the liberty of pasting togehter the two map- segments from Cooch Behar that Brendan posted earlier today, into a complete map. The file is
      Jun 18, 2001 @ 13:02 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
2929. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Cooch Behar
      Mats and Brendan, Thank you very much, both of you. I would very much like to make a link to this file from my page! Jan
      Jun 18, 2001 @ 15:25 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
2930. Border tv series... cross your fingers!
      Hello all: Just finished attending the Banff Television Festival in Banff, Alberta (I m still in Calgary). I was there to meet the people that make, buy,
      Jun 18, 2001 @ 16:36 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
2931. Re: [BoundaryPoint] excuse me
      Hello all: Just finished attending the Banff Television Festival in Banff, Alberta (I m still in Calgary). I was there to meet the people that make, buy,
      Jun 18, 2001 @ 16:36 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
2932. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border tv series... cross your fingers!
      Very interesting Doug! While not a documentary, this reminded me of a syndicated western series called Bordertown which was about a fictional old west town
      Jun 18, 2001 @ 18:00 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
2933. Frederiksberg-Copenhagen
      Arif has been so kind to mention me on his site, so I have been testing out my new Polariod 320 digital camera. I have put up a site on the
      Jun 18, 2001 @ 20:25 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2934. Re: Border tv series... cross your fingers!
      What is the intended audience? BJB ... Alberta ... programming. ... individual ... twist? ... thinking ... IN-PK ... when ... would ... town.
      Jun 18, 2001 @ 20:41 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
2935. nmoktx & columbia mouths
      longview wa bagged a good 3nm photo of oruswa this morning from the beach near ilwaco wa then made an also good & much closer photo of absolute orn & another
      Jun 18, 2001 @ 21:56 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
2936. Re: nmoktx & columbia mouths
      ... ilwaco wa ... great ... sawanabori ... of its ... the army ... exactly ... pair ... deliberate ... alike
      Jun 18, 2001 @ 23:36 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
2937. Re: nmoktx & columbia mouths
      Unfortunately your explanation of the NMOKTX problem is not helpful because we still don t know anything about where the real NMOKTX monument is relative to
      Jun 18, 2001 @ 23:41 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
2938. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Border tv series... cross your fingers!
      The audience is multi-national. I see the series being done in English, then translated into other languages. The target person would be someone with an
      Jun 18, 2001 @ 23:45 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
2939. Re: Border tv series... cross your fingers!
      I asked because I think there are two main camps among boundary people and it shows in the type of boundary points they are interested in. The first and
      Jun 19, 2001 @ 00:25 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
2940. Re: [BoundaryPoint] excuse me
      Could be Taba, on the Egyptian red sea coast. Do you REALLY want to go to Kashimir? Could be very interesting... the wire, the electric fence, the
      Jun 19, 2001 @ 00:40 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2941. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: nmoktx & columbia mouths
      ... I am fairly sure that Michael is CLAIMING that monument photographed with Jane is ersatz, but the one with me is the real one. I.e., that there are (at
      Jun 19, 2001 @ 04:10 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
2942. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Border tv series... cross your fingers!
      Great news Doug! I m sure one of the targets of a new series could be the boundary line bisecting the hotel at the Swiss-French border at La Cure- a
      Jun 19, 2001 @ 08:05 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
2943. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Border tv series... cross your fingers!
      Hello Brian, interesting theory - but: I certainly belong to both categories of yours, and I know several other people who are mad about borders having both
      Jun 19, 2001 @ 08:26 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
2944. Re: Border tv series... cross your fingers!
      No doubt. Even the boundary between these groups is fuzzy. BJB ... bisect ... and ... getting ... their ... so ... http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
      Jun 19, 2001 @ 16:44 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
2945. more fluff but not entirely pointless
      longview wa no we didnt stay in longview this long for the view but slept on fluff in a poplar plantation & returned for the email special to bwana hutchison
      Jun 19, 2001 @ 17:28 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
2946. ongoing search for fantastic or real boundary crosses
      brendan enjoyed your bengal clave maps can you point to the area or exact location of the supposed boundary cross & randy welcome your question was a good one
      Jun 19, 2001 @ 17:51 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
2947. Re: more fluff but not entirely pointless
      I ll just go. Good bye. BJB ... goose
      Jun 19, 2001 @ 19:58 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
2948. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border tv series... cross your fingers!
      I look forward to hearing more about the project. I ll just share my interest and some ideas. Well for me my interest in borders comes from that very thin line
      Jun 19, 2001 @ 20:52 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2949. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ongoing search for fantastic or real boundary crosses
      Good point. The possible quadpoint is the Patgram salient on the south, green #35 on the north, with Mathabhanga district on the east and west side According
      Jun 20, 2001 @ 01:03 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2950. old English enclaves
      English and Welsh counties and parishes used to be as fragmented as any other European country s. They were exchanged or eliminated in a series of reforms
      Jun 20, 2001 @ 01:51 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
2951. Cooch Behar map (again)
      As Brendan sent me his original tif-scans, I have put togehter, once again, a complete Cooch Behar map. The quality in the details is slightly better this
      Jun 20, 2001 @ 07:17 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
2952. Treviño troubles
      Last Sunday, the Association of Basque schools of Araba/Álava province, one of the three provinces that make up the Basque Autonomous Community, held its
      Jun 20, 2001 @ 12:52 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2953. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Border tv series... cross your fingers!
      I have heard such a story, but about a village at the Israeli/Lebanese border. (It might be another story.) Jan ... From: Doug Murray
      Jun 20, 2001 @ 13:26 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
2954. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Adutiskes
      Peter, It might me Kruki, but I cannot confirm it. Attaching a picture file of the 1:130.000 Rytu Lietuvos ežeru labirinto turistinis žemelapis (East
      Jun 20, 2001 @ 13:25 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <Jan@Krogh.com>)
2955. ZH boundaries - for those that understand Dutch...
      A very nice site about the history of the boundaries of the Dutch province of South Holland (the one I live in) can be found at
      Jun 20, 2001 @ 16:56 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2956. Update on African boundaries-statistics
      Conc. African boundaries: Remember, Gideon Biger and CIA Fact Book didn t agree on the length of the boundary line between Congo - DR Congo. This mystery has
      Jun 20, 2001 @ 18:13 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
2957. New statistics on Asian boundaries!
      Dear fellow b.freaks- a new list - containing statistics on Asian boundaries - has been added to BP s file section - (that s the last one...-enjoy) Peter H.
      Jun 20, 2001 @ 18:15 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
2958. Re: quadpoint RuChMoKa
      ... boundary ... Thank You. ... not, ... ______________________________________________________________________ ... http://www.hotmail.com.
      Jun 20, 2001 @ 19:02 - Randy Finder ("Randy Finder" <naraht@...>)
2959. NM-OK-TX
      After checking my photos taken in 1990 of the NM-OK-TX marker my conclusion is that it is the same one as shown in David s photo and the one with Jane. So,
      Jun 21, 2001 @ 02:22 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
2960. NJ-NY-US
      When we set sail May 19 on the QE2 I had hopes of getting close enough to NJ-NY-US to get a picture close to the point. By the time we got out of New York
      Jun 21, 2001 @ 02:22 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
2961. Really Abitrary Points
      Jack s recent mention of the Greenwich meridian reminded me of an idea I had a while back for another class of points - intersections of important lines of
      Jun 21, 2001 @ 12:24 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
2962. Re: NM-OK-TX
      We really don t know if Mike is on a different frequency. Maybe the scrambled output is confusing us. BJB
      Jun 21, 2001 @ 12:26 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
2963. South Africa
      Deaspite predictions to the contrary, the nice South African map people do take credit cards, and their seamil service takes 2 weeks! enclosed are scans of the
      Jun 21, 2001 @ 12:34 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
2964. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Really Abitrary Points
      That is indeed an interesting thought Brian! There are already some people active! see: http://www.confluence.org/index.php Btw. In the city of Utrecht (the
      Jun 21, 2001 @ 13:47 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <h.ten.veen@...>)
2965. Re: Really Abitrary Points
      Interesting about Utrecht time. In the US there was no standardization of time zones until railroad travel made it necessary. Generally each city had its own
      Jun 21, 2001 @ 15:01 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
2966. Re: Really Abitrary Points
      I just checked the Confluence web site at http://www.confluence.org/index.php Wow! That is exactly the idea I was thinking about. The only problem I have
      Jun 21, 2001 @ 15:07 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
2967. various multipointing responses
      tualatin or pronounced twah luh tin mats nice going on the possible boundary cross identifications is there any more info available yet on these jack your
      Jun 22, 2001 @ 00:20 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
2968. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Border tv series... cross your fingers!
      I will do some checking. Thanks for the input! Doug Murray sounds+images+words Vancouver, BC ... From: Jan Krogh Date: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 06:30:16 AM
      Jun 21, 2001 @ 18:17 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
2969. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Really Abitrary Points
      I have some meridian links in my favorites collection. Maybe an idea for someone to make an website with all these kind of links ??? The French meridean:
      Jun 21, 2001 @ 19:00 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <h.ten.veen@...>)
2970. Re: Really Abitrary Points
      Watersheds hav also interested me, especially watershed tri-points. These would be the points where a drop of rain would be split into three droplets destined
      Jun 21, 2001 @ 20:32 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
2971. Re: Really Abitrary Points
      Is anyone familiar with this site: http://terra.geo.orst.edu/users/tfdd/ ? In casu watersheds: http://terra.geo.orst.edu/users/tfdd/register/index.html . Peter
      Jun 21, 2001 @ 21:06 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2972. Another Weird Hobby
      How about this? http://www.geocaching.com/ BJB
      Jun 21, 2001 @ 22:00 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
2973. More Border Pictures
      I have just published a new border picture page on http://www.litauen-nytt.org/jan/borders.htm Jan
      Jun 21, 2001 @ 22:05 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
2974. RE: [BoundaryPoint] More Border Pictures
      Jan, great pictures!!! Dallen ... From: Jan Krogh [mailto:jakro64@yahoo.no] Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 3:06 PM To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Subject:
      Jun 21, 2001 @ 22:12 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
2975. Re: NM-OK-TX
      My guess is they buried the Clark Monument right under the spot where it stood. On a recent trip to Delaware and Maryland I discovered that there is an
      Jun 21, 2001 @ 23:41 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
2976. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Another Weird Hobby
      More on Geocaching: http://120seconds.com/index.cfm?movie=483 Doug Murray sounds+images+words Vancouver, BC ... From: bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com Date: Thursday,
      Jun 22, 2001 @ 00:11 - Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline ("Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline" <dmurray@...>)
2977. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Really Abitrary Points
      I have a 1941 National Geographic map of the Indian Ocean which shown local time zones in each country, not hours or half hour differences form Greenwish, but
      Jun 22, 2001 @ 00:13 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2978. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border tv series... cross your fingers!
      Great ideas... wow. Thanks for the workload! The researching begins. Next step is to find some development money so I can research and pay the bills! Doug
      Jun 22, 2001 @ 00:34 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
2979. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border tv series... cross your fingers!
      ... This gives me an opportunity to introduce myself as a new member of this fascinating group. I am very much of a beginning border tourist. This might be
      Jun 22, 2001 @ 10:11 - Pepijn Hendriks ("Pepijn Hendriks" <pepijnh@...>)
2980. gfsr boundary
      Getting back to an old issue, because I found out I have been hideously misinforming you all... The gfsr boundary was always defined as the Marowijne/Maroni
      Jun 22, 2001 @ 11:01 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2981. Re: Border tv series... cross your fingers!
      ... that ... meters or ... the ... driveway. ... Denmark, ... This also gives me an opportunity to introduce myself as a new member! I live in England where I
      Jun 22, 2001 @ 12:42 - David Birch ("David Birch" <dbirch@...>)
2982. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Border tv series... cross your fingers!
      Welcome David, to BoundaryPoint! Jan Vilnius, Lithuania http://www.litauen-nytt.org/jan/enklaver.htm http://www.litauen-nytt.org/jan/borders.htm
      Jun 22, 2001 @ 15:40 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
2984. Flintshire exclaves
      David, welcome to BoundaryPoint...it s great to have you here! Could you possibly elaborate on the Flintshire exclaves? Bill
      Jun 22, 2001 @ 16:52 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
2985. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Flintshire exclaves
      Sorry to interfere (again), but I have a nice map that explains the situation. Green is Flintshire, except the part at the bottom of the scan (this is a part
      Jun 22, 2001 @ 19:48 - Peter Smaardijk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Smaardijk?= <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
2986. Flintshire -2
      I think something went wrong. Attempt #2 at Flintshire Peter S. ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free
      Jun 22, 2001 @ 20:04 - Peter Smaardijk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Smaardijk?= <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
2987. Re: Really Arbitrary Points
      ... Yes, I have seen the Tropic of Cancer marked on a highway north of San Jose del Cabo (southern Baja California, Mexico). I imagine that it s marked in
      Jun 22, 2001 @ 20:22 - Ross Finlayson (Ross Finlayson <finlayson@...>)
2988. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Flintshire exclaves
      OK, thanks Peter. I was wondering if the exclaves were on a county level or national level (i.e., Wales/England). That explains it. Bill
      Jun 22, 2001 @ 20:25 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
2989. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Flintshire -2
      What jurisdictions do the larger unlabeled areas depict? Bill
      Jun 22, 2001 @ 20:27 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
2990. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Really Arbitrary Points
      in vermont (usa) the 45th parallel is marked on the interstate highway. just south of the border station. bob beckett hollis, new hampshire ...
      Jun 22, 2001 @ 20:37 - Beckett, Bob ("Beckett, Bob" <Bob.Beckett@...>)
2991. Re: Flintshire -2
      The England - Wales boundary is the black line that is a bit thicker than the others. In Wales you see: Green - upper left: part of Anglesey Green - centre (3
      Jun 22, 2001 @ 20:47 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
2992. Re: Really Arbitrary Points
      It is also marked in Maine. I think I have seen it on Route 1. There is a monument and a plaque that says something about being halfway to the north pole .
      Jun 22, 2001 @ 21:51 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
2993. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Really Arbitrary Points
      I ve also seen it marked on U.S. 1 in the vicinity of Perry, Maine. Bill Hanrahan
      Jun 23, 2001 @ 00:03 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
2994. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Really Arbitrary Points
      And if it wasn t halfway to the North Pole, it wouldn t be the 45th parallel (Northern Hemisphere of course) in the first place. Bill
      Jun 23, 2001 @ 00:18 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
2995. All 5 South African tripoints
      Did anyone get the south african tripoint maps i posted? One message from Michael had a reference to them, but I never got a copy of the mail in my own box.
      Jun 23, 2001 @ 06:45 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
2996. Maps of BeDe encl.area Monschau+Roetgen
      Attached you ll find two maps: Monschau and Roetgen in the very heart of the Be-Ge enclave area - Be. railway line (Vennbahn) runs through these two towns,
      Jun 23, 2001 @ 08:50 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
2997. HuSk border picture Danube river
      As supplement to Bernd Kueck s nice pictures from the Hu-Sk border towns of Komárno / Sk - Kómarom / Hu there s another picture taken by me in 1992. Taken
      Jun 23, 2001 @ 08:56 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
2998. Re: [BoundaryPoint] All 5 South African tripoints
      Hi Brendan Yes, we got them. Thanks Jesper ... From: Brendan Whyte To: Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001
      Jun 23, 2001 @ 09:09 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
2999. Re: Roetgen-Monschau 2
      Another thing that caught my eye on the Vennbahn scans (1:50k) sent by Brendan: the boundary markers on the normal bede border have a designation that is
      Jun 23, 2001 @ 10:11 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3000. Re: Roetgen-Monschau 2
      ... I forgot to mention another such point; ... the ... runs ... the ... 663 ... There is, of course, another municipal and community boundary across the
      Jun 23, 2001 @ 10:31 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3001. Vennbahn link
      On the history of the Vennbahn: http://www.rinbad.demon.co.uk/be_venn.htm Peter S.
      Jun 23, 2001 @ 12:49 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3002. Roetgen
      Attached the Roetgen Vennbahn part. (From the official Roetgen municipality home page http://www.roetgen.de ) According to this map Roetgen1 + Roetgen2
      Jun 23, 2001 @ 17:10 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@yahoo.no>)
3003. Re: Roetgen
      The map looks like the same as Peter H. s map he got from Mats. By the way, the Monschau municipal site has a map that looks like to be the same as Peter H. s
      Jun 23, 2001 @ 19:40 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3004. Enclaves
      This is a question for the enclave capasities we have in our group. Which is the smallest enclave in the world? And if it is not in Europe, which one is the
      Jun 24, 2001 @ 13:47 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3005. Cyprus topomaps
      Brendan, the map expert! How detailed can you get Cyprus maps, and do they show borders? Jesper
      Jun 24, 2001 @ 13:50 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3006. Fw: [BoundaryPoint] Baarle details
      I have problems searching in the archive at Boundary Point (I am the only one?), so I will instead post this map of Brendan, s from Baarle. Spending last week
      Jun 24, 2001 @ 14:01 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
3007. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Roetgen
      Thanks, Peter, for clearing that question up! I do have the copies of Brendan s excellent maps, but I started to wonder if maybe the border line has been
      Jun 24, 2001 @ 14:50 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
3008. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Enclaves
      I think it must be one of the Baarle enclaves...? Are they btw already numbered like the Cooch Behars? Jan
      Jun 24, 2001 @ 14:50 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
3009. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Enclaves
      For me it is difficult to judge without exact scales on my maps, but this enclave between Tommel and Gierlese straat is one of the smallest in Baarle. There is
      Jun 24, 2001 @ 15:04 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@yahoo.no>)
3010. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Baarle details
      Great map, Jesper! Thanks. Jan
      Jun 24, 2001 @ 15:04 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
3011. Diomede town
      Just found a picture from Diomede town, Little Diomede (US) in the Bering strait. (Yes, it is populated by nativs inuits and have schools. In winter, people
      Jun 24, 2001 @ 15:32 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@yahoo.no>)
3012. An Expedia.com Map from Jesper Nielsen
      Message from Jesper Nielsen: I don t visa s are used on the island. Here is the link to your map:
      Jun 24, 2001 @ 16:34 - maps@expedia.com (maps@...)
3013. Re: Enclaves
      The Loveren one is notoriously small. I have two maps of Baarle- Nassau/Hertog that don t show this one at all, and one that shows it as one that has been
      Jun 24, 2001 @ 21:02 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3014. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Diomede town
      ... It probably is the only USA/RUS border (that can be crossed on foot!) Altough ...... there are people that crossed the border from Canada to Russia or was
      Jun 24, 2001 @ 21:05 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <h.ten.veen@...>)
3015. RE: [BoundaryPoint] An Expedia.com Map from Jesper Nielsen
      Thanks, Jesper for the map! It was new for me. Here are some good Diomede links: http://www.bssd.org/Pages/schools/sites/DIO/diomede.htm
      Jun 24, 2001 @ 21:46 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
3016. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Enclaves
      Thanks for comments, Peter! Attached is an excerpt of the the Military Map of Baarle from 1962 (military.jpg) showing the Loveren one. But according to the
      Jun 24, 2001 @ 22:06 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@yahoo.no>)
3017. misc
      driftwood library lincoln city or again apparently there is another wave of brendans waves going around judging from a recent report from arif & i think it may
      Jun 24, 2001 @ 22:33 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
3018. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Enclaves
      Now I am commenting myself ;-) In the archive I found Brendans answer on this... Jan ... Ok, you asked for it. Here are two maps of Baarle village, one with
      Jun 24, 2001 @ 22:46 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
3019. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Roetgen-Monschau 2
      Monschau station has the word Monschau written on the end of the building itself, while the platform sign, much more recent, and presumably erected by the
      Jun 24, 2001 @ 23:52 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
3020. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Roetgen
      Yes it is. I have seen the original 1:5000 maps from the boundary commission of 1920. There are 5 enclaves (now). Being a torusit map, this one is wrong. At
      Jun 25, 2001 @ 00:15 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
3021. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Enclaves
      Off the top of my head: the Vennbahn can be measured off the scans I posted. One of the maps has a scale on it. As for small enclaves, in India, the smallest
      Jun 25, 2001 @ 00:26 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
3022. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cyprus topomaps
      ! have some 1:10 000 maps, long out of print, and they do not show borders. But they were the maps the border treaty referred to, so it should be possible to
      Jun 25, 2001 @ 00:28 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
3023. Re: Fw: [BoundaryPoint] Baarle details
      The house is the larger building directly below it (north is to the left in this map, so below is west). The two buildings on the boundary are old shed, one
      Jun 25, 2001 @ 00:32 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
3024. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Enclaves
      yes, the treaty (in Belgisch Staatsblad/Moniteur Belge of 26/6/96) numbers them, as do many official maps. H1 to H22 for Belgian ones, N1 to N8 for Dutch.
      Jun 25, 2001 @ 00:36 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
3025. baarle areas
      Number Area (ha) Perimeter (km) # Turning Pts H 1 153.6448 12.911 353* H 2 2.4116 0.655 16* H 3 0.3428 0.295 4 H 4 1.4760 0.727 14 H 5 0.9245 0.535 6 H
      Jun 25, 2001 @ 00:46 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
3026. Vennbahn area and municipal maps
      The smallest (3rd) Vennbahn enclave is 1.65ha, 16500square metres, or equal to a sqaure 130m on a side. It is thus over 10 times larger than the smallest
      Jun 25, 2001 @ 04:11 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
3027. baarle woodshed
      Attached are 3 photos of the Baarle boundary of H16 that Peter liked. One is the farmhouse with one of the sh3eds visible in the background. It is taken from
      Jun 25, 2001 @ 04:15 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
3028. Roetgen enclave isthmus
      Attached are three photos of the narrow nech between Roetgen enclaves 1 and 2. They join up if you cut and paste them. I am standing on the railline where it
      Jun 25, 2001 @ 04:19 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
3029. Roetgen enclave isthmus
      Attached are three photos of the narrow nech between Roetgen enclaves 1 and 2. They join up if you cut and paste them. I am standing on the railline where it
      Jun 25, 2001 @ 04:21 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
3030. Great Hedge of India
      I have just finished reading this book. A fun, easy-to-read account of Moxham s attempts over three years or so to find any re manatso f the hedge in India,
      Jun 25, 2001 @ 04:24 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
3031. Re: Vennbahn area and municipal maps
      So, judging from the 1973 map, the part of the Vennbahn that forms the two Monschau enclaves belongs to Robertville municipality in its entirety. The municipal
      Jun 25, 2001 @ 08:06 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3032. Steinstücken - DDR counter exclave? (1/1)
      I hope somebody can please answer a question which has been puzzling me for the past 24 years! I still have the 1977 edition of the FalkPlan streetmap of
      Jun 25, 2001 @ 08:28 - dbirch@cix.compulink.co.uk (dbirch@...)
3033. Re: Steinstücken - DDR counter exclave? (1/1)
      Many apologies that those two map attachments didn t work - I seem to be unable to send attachments to this group. (What do I need to do to allow me to do
      Jun 25, 2001 @ 08:51 - David Birch ("David Birch" <dbirch@...>)
3034. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Steinstücken - DDR counter exclave? (1/1)
      According to Catudal s book, which has a cadastral map of Steinstucken inside the cover, the boundary before the road was made W.German, was, form the NW of
      Jun 25, 2001 @ 09:10 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
3035. Re: Steinstücken - DDR counter exclave? (1/1)
      So you re saying that the Stahnsdorfer Strasse in between the Teltower Strasse and the Bernhard-Beyer-Strasse was GDR territory, and the jig isn t there. It
      Jun 25, 2001 @ 09:34 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3036. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Steinstücken - DDR counter e xclave? (1/1)
      David, you *should* be able to attach files via your normal email. Are you posting via the web site or via your direct email? Bill ... From: David Birch
      Jun 25, 2001 @ 08:45 - Jane Hanrahan ("Jane Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
3037. Re: Steinstücken - DDR counter exclave? (1/1)
      ... Are you ... Hi Bill, I tried to send the attachment via direct e-mail, but I think the problem could be that my ISP only allows me to send files using
      Jun 25, 2001 @ 11:00 - David Birch ("David Birch" <dbirch@...>)
3038. Re: misc
      Mike, sorry to here about the navy van. Is the new one, perhaps, redder? BJB ... navy van as ... trimming ... everyones ice ... rather than ... since fish ...
      Jun 25, 2001 @ 12:08 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
3039. Re: misc
      I hope you were able to nurse the navy van to 307703, asymmetrical tenths notwithstanding. BJB ... navy van as ... trimming ... everyones ice ... rather than
      Jun 25, 2001 @ 12:12 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
3040. Re: Steinstücken - DDR counter exclave? (1/1)
      I just took this book on Steinstuecken by Catudal out of the Leiden University Library. The little map of the enclave is clear. But I wonder whether some other
      Jun 25, 2001 @ 13:56 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3041. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Steinstücken - DDR counter exclave? (1/1)
      OK, go to the web site and look on the menu on the left side of the screen. To post mail, click on Post (it appears underneath Messages . To post files
      Jun 25, 2001 @ 16:35 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
3042. Baarle Military Map
      Members will be familiar with the Baarle Military Map discussed previously. A good quality scan was also provided some time ago, I believe, though I do not
      Jun 25, 2001 @ 17:38 - Bernhard (Bernhard <tardis@...-net.de>)
3043. Re: Baarle Military Map
      It looks like a regular 1:25k Belgian topo map to me. Why it is called a military map I don t know. Probably because at the time the National Geographical
      Jun 25, 2001 @ 18:09 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3044. Berlin exclaves revisited, Bottcherberg
      ... I had the opportunity briefly to visit the Bottcherberg-area just the other week. Here is an excerpt from a cadastral map of Berlin, Stadtplan von Berlin,
      Jun 25, 2001 @ 19:35 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <blofeld_es@...>)
3045. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Baarle Military Map
      Dear Peter, thank you for the prompt reply. ... I used the designation military map as it is used by others on the Internet. ... If you do go there, perhaps
      Jun 25, 2001 @ 19:48 - Bernhard (Bernhard <tardis@...-net.de>)
3046. Re: Berlin exclaves revisited, Bottcherberg
      Thanks Mats! These pictures are absolutely stunning! And I must say these enclaves are the silliest ones I ve ever seen. They could be the smallest enclaves
      Jun 25, 2001 @ 19:51 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3047. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Steinstücken - DDR counter exclave? (1/1)
      The two files were attachet to the mail for sure; they are 368 and 158 kB in size. The real problem is that they are not in the normal jpg-format. gl Harry
      Jun 25, 2001 @ 20:41 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <h.ten.veen@...>)
3048. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Steinstücken - DDR counter exclave? (1/1)
      Good point...thanks for catching that Harry. Bill
      Jun 25, 2001 @ 20:56 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
3049. our mxus to caus coasting biker advances to lincoln city
      yachats or again & until further notice hey i just got a message that bjbutler unsubscribed i trust it is an error have no regret for old navy tho brian it
      Jun 25, 2001 @ 22:38 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
3050. Re: [BoundaryPoint] our mxus to caus coasting biker advances to lincoln city
      Holliston, MA I did unsubscribe, but only briefly and only my alter ego was affected. I had created a new me on Hotmail for upcoming road work but got the
      Jun 25, 2001 @ 23:48 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbsoftware@...>)
3051. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Steinstücken - DDR counter exclave? ( 1/1)
      Here s a picture of a fallen tower near Steinstucken. The last selection on this page: http://www.mindspring.com/~kiernan/wall_scenes.html Doug ... From:
      Jun 26, 2001 @ 00:03 - Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline ("Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline" <dmurray@...>)
3052. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Steinstücken - DDR counter exclave? (1/1)
      A map of the bochterberg enclaves can be found in Book Angerdorf och exclave , Acta Wexionensia, serie 1:4, 1984. I will endeavour to scan it. And catudal s
      Jun 26, 2001 @ 00:48 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
3053. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Baarle Military Map
      I first saw the map scan three years ago, but I can t remember who sent it to me. I believe the Belgian IGN was the IGM (Militaire, later National) until
      Jun 26, 2001 @ 01:12 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
3054. Re: [BoundaryPoint] our mxus to caus coasting biker advances to lincoln city
      Mike, condolences on old navy, but congrats on the new yacht. Any special paint job in mind? I think Brian re-subscribed with an on the road address tho.
      Jun 26, 2001 @ 01:12 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
3055. Small summer quiz
      Which three countries have three tripoints? Jesper
      Jun 26, 2001 @ 05:32 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3056. Boundary definition
      How is the term watershed defined in contrary to the term bank/shore? Jesper
      Jun 26, 2001 @ 06:00 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3057. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Small summer quiz
      Belgium, Italy, Slovenia, Albnia if Montenegro is a separate country, Bosnia if Montenegro isn t, Lithuania. Georgia, Paraguay, Colombia, Pakistan... more than
      Jun 26, 2001 @ 06:00 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
3058. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Small summer quiz
      Perhaps I did! I am looking for triple tripoints, just as there are doubles: ATCHFL, MZSWZA. Jesper ... From: Brendan Whyte To:
      Jun 26, 2001 @ 06:06 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3059. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Boundary definition
      Shore is the immediate vicinity of the sea (the beach and perhaps some distance inland, the distance being relative. Bank is the vertical or high-gradient wall
      Jun 26, 2001 @ 06:06 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
3060. Mostar in BosniaHercegovina
      Usually borders in Europe are peaceful places, but there are exceptions to the rule: I found this picture of Mostar, the divided city in Bosnia in the Danish
      Jun 26, 2001 @ 08:20 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
3061. Steinstuecken map in Catudal
      ... and two pictures, one of the border crossing from West Berlin into the GDR, towards Steinstuecken, and another of a Vopo patrol near this border crossing.
      Jun 26, 2001 @ 09:28 - Peter Smaardijk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Smaardijk?= <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
3062. "Freie Stadt" zwischen Stacheldraht? - 2
      Some more from the said book Peter S. ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at
      Jun 26, 2001 @ 09:35 - Peter Smaardijk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Smaardijk?= <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
3063. Test - please ignore
      This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose
      Jun 26, 2001 @ 09:35 - David Birch (David Birch <david.birch@...>)
3064. Re: Steinstücken - DDR counter exclave? (1/1)
      ... 158 kB ... Thanks to Bill and Harry for their help! However I still appear to be unable to post attachments properly - in future I ll just put scans in the
      Jun 26, 2001 @ 09:46 - David Birch ("David Birch" <dbirch@...>)
3065. In the vicinity of Steinstuecken
      Another very curious part of West Berlin was Albrechts Teerofen. A motorway that for a very short stretch crosses WB territory, re- enters the GDR, and then
      Jun 26, 2001 @ 11:52 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3066. Re: In the vicinity of Steinstuecken
      ... the ... That leads me nicely to the next map I ve posted to the files area! It s the south-western corner of a 1977 map published by the Berlin Transport
      Jun 26, 2001 @ 13:06 - David Birch ("David Birch" <dbirch@...>)
3067. Re: In the vicinity of Steinstuecken
      ... attention ... at ... was ... It is not really the middle of nowhere. It is at the edge of the Potsdam city quarter Am Stern. Anyway, I think that the main
      Jun 26, 2001 @ 15:44 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3068. Re: Baarle Military Map
      ... or how to ... The Belgian maps are 13,50 guilders. The Dutch ones (also 1:25k topo) are 16 guilders. Because both have shortcomings, I thought I d buy them
      Jun 26, 2001 @ 16:00 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3069. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Mostar in BosniaHercegovina
      I ve thrown up some pics I took in Bosnia in 97... a few from the Bihac pocket down to Sarajevo. (I really need to fix my site). Have a look at:
      Jun 26, 2001 @ 16:27 - Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline ("Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline" <dmurray@...>)
3070. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Baarle Military Map
      Hello Peter, thank you for the info. The prices sound civil to me. I ll try to get them online. That is, unless I find a decent map shop here in Hannover. All
      Jun 26, 2001 @ 19:54 - Bernhard (Bernhard <tardis@...-net.de>)
3071. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Baarle Military Map
      Hello Brendan, Thanks for the information. Yes, I recall a message from you some time ago, detailing the maps and their availability. I shall have a look at
      Jun 26, 2001 @ 19:54 - Bernhard (Bernhard <tardis@...-net.de>)
3072. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Frederiksberg-Copenhagen
      Here is a surround picture of the boundary
      Jun 26, 2001 @ 21:07 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3073. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Baarle Military Map
      ... also ... regarding ... Keep in mind that those maps 1:10.000 are only available in grey printing. They serve mainly technical purposes. I am not sure, but
      Jun 26, 2001 @ 21:32 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <h.ten.veen@...>)
3074. Re: Baarle Military Map
      ... be on that ... It is not. The De Withagen enclave is WSW of the village of Ulicoten, and just W of North of the hamlet of Oude Strumpt. If you buy Belgian
      Jun 26, 2001 @ 21:39 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3075. "Freie Stadt" - 2 A
      One of my pictures refuses to be displayed. I hope I am the only one experiencing this. But perhaps not, so I am reposting it now. It is such a nice one, after
      Jun 26, 2001 @ 21:49 - Peter Smaardijk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Smaardijk?= <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
3076. Re: [BoundaryPoint] "Freie Stadt" - 2 A
      ... No problems here Peter! Indeed they are nice; both of them! gl Harry ten Veen
      Jun 26, 2001 @ 21:58 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <h.ten.veen@...>)
3077. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Baarle Military Map
      ... But in the wrong place, and 4x too large! It is not the square of forest it is marked on. On the NE side of what is shown as Withhagen are two rectangular
      Jun 27, 2001 @ 00:59 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
3078. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Baarle Military Map
      ... Exactly the same information as the 1:25 000 maps, but in black and white, not colour, so details such as cultivated fields vs pasture, shown by yellow and
      Jun 27, 2001 @ 01:18 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
3079. Re: Baarle Military Map
      ... fields, one ... withagen, which ... words the ... on the map ... Thank you for that information. The Topografische Dienst should be very ashamed of itself.
      Jun 27, 2001 @ 07:04 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3080. Upcoming down time
      The Yahoo Groups site (BoundaryPoint s parent site) will be down Thursday, June 28th, from 0300-0500 GMT. During this time, the web site will be unavailable,
      Jun 27, 2001 @ 10:13 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
3081. De Withagen
      I found this little map, that, as far as I can see, depicts the enclave maybe not entirely correctly (it is just a little route description), but a lot better
      Jun 27, 2001 @ 13:42 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3082. Re: Baarle Military Map
      ... Brendan, I think I already found them. H12 is the tiny northernmost one; H18 is not so tiny and near Gorpeind hamlet. ... S ... on ... By this I meant the
      Jun 27, 2001 @ 14:49 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3083. just the essentials for now
      to crib from another bill bill i feel & share your congrats so thanxx but why would you condole & for what or whom ahh of course with lord holliston perhaps i
      Jun 28, 2001 @ 01:33 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
3084. brendan ties all time bp record
      while some of them are still hanging on the current message board i just want to point out that the recent wave of 12 straight consecutive messages in a row by
      Jun 28, 2001 @ 02:32 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
3085. Re: [BoundaryPoint] just the essentials for now
      ... I have a feeling this is going to be interesting...
      Jun 27, 2001 @ 19:20 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
3086. MXUS: Rio Grande down to a trickle
      Jun 27, 2001 The Once-Mighty Rio Grande Is Just a Pathetic Trickle by the Time It Reaches the Gulf of Mexico By Lynn Brezosky Associated Press Writer BOCA
      Jun 27, 2001 @ 21:06 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
3087. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Baarle Military Map
      ... Those are them. ... Along the Merkske, east to west. H21 isNW of Baarlebrug in the chickenneck , H20 to the west of the Ginhoven road, and H19 to the
      Jun 27, 2001 @ 23:53 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
3088. Dubki
      I have just bought Estonian 1:20 000 map 55.31 Rosna , which features Dubki. It is US$8 fomr the Estonian survey dept. The map leaves Russia almost blank, and
      Jun 28, 2001 @ 03:07 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
3089. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Dubki
      What happened to boundary marker 528? Do you have the Valga map too? Jesper ... From: Brendan Whyte To:
      Jun 28, 2001 @ 06:06 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3090. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Dubki
      Only the south eastern boundary is available in 1:20 000 maps. Valga is available in 1:50 000, which are satellite photos maps overlaid with colour. The
      Jun 28, 2001 @ 06:46 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
3091. Re: Dubki
      Concerning Dupki village, I have nothing to add - maybe we have to control this place next year if Peter Hering will organize the trip into the Baltic States.
      Jun 28, 2001 @ 07:43 - andreslb2000@yahoo.co.uk (andreslb2000@...)
3092. [BIRDWG05] NM-AZ border in Guadalupe Canyon has moved (fwd)
      An interesting boundry message from a birding list. Guadalupe Canyon is at the Mexico - New Mexico - Arizona tri-point and a popular birding spot. Most
      Jun 28, 2001 @ 16:06 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
3093. Re: [BoundaryPoint] [BIRDWG05] NM-AZ border in Guadalupe Canyon has moved (fwd)
      David, maybe you should find a hobby in spotting other animals. What about dogs? May I suggest the Border Colly? ;-) gl Harry ten Veen ... From: David Mark
      Jun 28, 2001 @ 21:17 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <h.ten.veen@...>)
3094. BoNaZaZi - crumbs only
      Well, what can I tell you? I was close, but got no view of the grail itself. Shooting through on the bus on a tight sched linking the Zambian eclipse and a few
      Jun 28, 2001 @ 22:10 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
3095. Re: Boundary definition
      ... some ... Reminds me that the southern Cypriot power station enclave has its sea border defined by mean low water, with British territory beyond that.
      Jun 28, 2001 @ 23:18 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
3096. New Member - What a thrill
      Boundry Folks, What a thrill to find you!! For years I have been fascinated by borders and enclaves. As a kid, I hunted down geopolitical anomalies in the
      Jun 29, 2001 @ 01:41 - SanFrancisco Coins (SanFrancisco Coins <sanfrancoins@...>)
3097. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New Member - What a thrill
      Jonathan, welcome...you came to the right place! It s always a pleasure to hear from fellow boundary freaks...as you can see, you re not alone! Bill Hanrahan
      Jun 29, 2001 @ 02:04 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
3098. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New Member - What a thrill
      Ok. This is bad news, but my computer is badly stricken by a virus (due to my stupidity, no less), so I can t update my web page nor send anything from the
      Jun 29, 2001 @ 03:17 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
3099. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New Member - What a thrill
      ... Boy, does that one ever hit home! Arif, sorry to hear about your computer woes. Bill
      Jun 29, 2001 @ 11:19 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
3100. Changing URL
      Hello folks, At the same time as updating my homepage, I am moving! You may now find me on http://home.no.net/enklaver/ (Not yet fully completed, but...) Jan
      Jun 29, 2001 @ 13:53 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
3101. Re: New Member - What a thrill
      Jonathan: Welcome! You asked about the origins of Baarle. There s a nice little potted history at the following URL:
      Jun 29, 2001 @ 15:56 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
3102. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Changing URL
      Jan, so noted! I ll change the URL reference on BP. Bill W4/KA1KF
      Jun 29, 2001 @ 18:07 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
3103. Re: New Member - What a thrill
      Grant and Others, Thanks for the welcome and excellent explanation of Baarle. I m sure I ll have more questions for you folks but I ll sit back and just read
      Jun 29, 2001 @ 18:18 - sanfrancoins@yahoo.com (sanfrancoins@...)
3104. bonazazi
      welcome back & hail grant for these unprecedentedly great advances in our knowledge of this prospective but elusive global maxipoint sincerely m Get your FREE
      Jun 29, 2001 @ 19:36 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
3105. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Diomede town
      ... From: Harry ten Veen To: Sent: zondag 24 juni 2001 23:05 ... the ... ice ... I have to correct
      Jun 29, 2001 @ 19:47 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <h.ten.veen@...>)
3106. Lake of the Woods, MN (USA/Canada)
      I ve mention here of Point Roberts on the US/Canada boarder but I aven t seen any mention here of Lake of the Woods, that bit of Minnesota that is only
      Jun 29, 2001 @ 22:05 - sanfrancoins@yahoo.com (sanfrancoins@...)
3107. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Lake of the Woods, MN (USA/Canada)
      Also, try Dan Jacobson s site for some Lake of the Woods photos (www.geocities.com/jidanni/1994us_can_border.htm). Bill
      Jun 29, 2001 @ 22:25 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
3108. dubki
      A reply from the Estonia survey dept says for post 528, it is correctly located but the control line drawn incorrectly links 527 to 529 without taking in 528.
      Jun 30, 2001 @ 02:54 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
3109. A load of Baarle
      ... 1198 to be exact. A copy of the deed is shown in Breckelmans, 1965, Belgische Enclaves in Nederland , a Dutch book on the history of Baarle. The deed is
      Jun 30, 2001 @ 03:11 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
3110. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Lake of the Woods, MN (USA/Canada)
      Map and info in p136-8 of Stephen B Jones, Boundary-making a handbook for statesmen, treaty editors and boundary commissioners , Carnedige Endowment for
      Jun 30, 2001 @ 03:26 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
3111. Re: [BoundaryPoint] A load of Baarle
      ... Brendan, thank you for that information! I have a book Eerste Poolse Pantserdivisie in Nederland by Thom Peeters. In that book is also a little chapter
      Jun 30, 2001 @ 10:03 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <h.ten.veen@...>)
3112. The Tagesspiegel on Berlin border anomalies
      Looking for more information on the Böttcherberg exclaves, I stumbled upon an interesting article from the Berlin daily newspaper _Der Tagesspiegel_. It
      Jun 30, 2001 @ 10:20 - Pepijn Hendriks ("Pepijn Hendriks" <pepijnh@...>)
3113. Kerkrade border pillar
      During my trip to Kerkrade/Herzogenrath two weeks ago, I had a picture taken from me standing at the Kerkrade-sign at the border. Underneath this sign there
      Jun 30, 2001 @ 13:54 - Pepijn Hendriks ("Pepijn Hendriks" <pepijnh@...>)
3114. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Kerkrade border pillar
      Yes, Pepijn - would be nice seeing the actual photograph taken at the border- usually auxiliary border markers are labelled a, b, c and so on, so it doesn t
      Jun 30, 2001 @ 14:26 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
3115. more maxipointing thoughts
      grant your fresh bonazazi findings & thoughts are still reverberating around the world whether a new global maxipoint will ever actually emerge in that area
      Jun 30, 2001 @ 20:10 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
3116. Re: more maxipointing thoughts
      Michael: Maybe braiding is the wrong word, conjuring up a myriad separate streams. These are big wide powerful rivers, and what I was seeing was numerous
      Jun 30, 2001 @ 23:35 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
3117. Re: [BoundaryPoint] more maxipointing thoughts
      Sorry to dissapoint, Michael, but it was a South Africa, Namibia Botswana point. Not Zambia. I used ZA for Zuid Afrika as the two letter abbreviation. I think
      Jul 01, 2001 @ 01:13 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
3118. Poll results for BoundaryPoint
      The following BoundaryPoint poll is now closed. Here are the final results: POLL QUESTION: The group list software provides an option for footers to be
      Jul 01, 2001 @ 07:15 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com (BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com )
3119. Can you trust Gideon?
      Here are some cites from Gideon Biger s Encyclopedia of International Boundaries: Norway-Sweden: It (the boundary) was never demarcated...
      Jul 01, 2001 @ 07:25 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3120. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: more maxipointing thoughts
      Thanks Grant, for your refreshing view on these abbreviations - BoNaZaZi sounds great!! Peter H. ... From: Grant Hutchison Date: Sunday, July 01, 2001 01:35:43
      Jul 01, 2001 @ 07:53 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
3121. New boundary term
      Looking through Gideon I have come up with a new term: FoCoBAWFA meaning Former Colonial Boundary Adopted Without Formal Agreement The FocoBAWFAs are very
      Jul 01, 2001 @ 08:48 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3122. Saturday Headine in Vancouver...
      Imagine my surprise this morning. I suppose I need to learn a new anthem!
      Jul 01, 2001 @ 09:04 - Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline ("Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline" <dmurray@stockphotosonline.com>)
3123. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Saturday Headine in Vancouver...
      What about us, then?! BoundaryPoint will have to close down. Yankees go home! ;-) Jan ... From: Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline
      Jul 01, 2001 @ 09:57 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@yahoo.no>)
3124. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Can you trust Gideon?
      Hi Jesper, ... demarcated... There is a bordermarker BE/LU on my website at http://leden.tref.nl/~veenhh/borderland/europa/lx-on.htm gl Harry ten Veen
      Jul 01, 2001 @ 10:18 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <h.ten.veen@...>)
3125. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Poll results for BoundaryPoint
      The Nays have it. Status quo it is! Bill
      Jul 01, 2001 @ 16:11 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
3126. Re: Saturday Headine in Vancouver...
      Doug, what was the caption directly under the photo? Bill ... anthem!
      Jul 01, 2001 @ 16:22 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
3127. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Saturday Headine in Vancouver...
      On a positive note, it would mean the end of smuggling cheap shoes back to Canada. And less hassles when running down to Seattle to catch a baseball game. Go
      Jul 01, 2001 @ 16:27 - Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline ("Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline" <dmurray@...>)
3128. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Saturday Headine in Vancouver...
      Bill: It read: Paul Cellucci, the U.S. Ambassador to Canada, meets the press in Ottawa yesterday. While not interested in a European Union style agreement,
      Jul 01, 2001 @ 16:33 - Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline ("Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline" <dmurray@...>)
3129. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Saturday Headine in Vancouver...
      Thanks Doug...I was wondering if that was Cellucci (former governor of my home state of Massachusetts). Bill
      Jul 01, 2001 @ 16:55 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
3130. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Kerkrade border pillar
      Pepijn, it s indeed an official bordermarker. In this case there are 3 auxiliary bordermarkers between 232 en 233 (232a, 232b and 232c) helping to demarcate
      Jul 01, 2001 @ 21:22 - Eef Berns ("Eef Berns" <eefberns@...>)
3131. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Kerkrade border pillar
      ... I just had the picture scanned. I have enlarged that part of the picture with the pillar number and put it in the upper righthand corner. The building I ve
      Jul 01, 2001 @ 21:43 - Pepijn Hendriks ("Pepijn Hendriks" <pepijnh@bigfoot.com>)
3132. Re: more maxipointing thoughts
      I too think the best would be to use the ISO codes. But in order to be both as brief and as unequivocally correct as possible, ISO-2 would be preferable, I
      Jul 02, 2001 @ 09:12 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3133. Re: Kerkrade border pillar
      I have a map of the area: a (rather old) 1:25000 topo map (sheet 69E Heerlen), published in 1989. I ll post a scan of the area right away. But it looks like
      Jul 02, 2001 @ 09:33 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3134. Scan Kerkrade
      This is the scan. 232A seems to be just a shade north of 232 proper. The small road leading off Nieuwstraat in a northernly direction into the Netherlands is
      Jul 02, 2001 @ 09:40 - Peter Smaardijk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Smaardijk?= <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
3135. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Kerkrade border pillar
      Peter Smaardijk wrote: Thanks for the scan. ... I guess they did. Schlimm, schlimm. ;-) ... Okay, here s my reconstruction, largely
      Jul 02, 2001 @ 11:31 - Pepijn Hendriks ("Pepijn Hendriks" <pepijnh@...>)
3136. Re: Kerkrade border pillar
      Judging from the map, the border runs along the southern edge of Nieuwstraat (the part between the bifurcation and bdy. marker 232). So the houses on the south
      Jul 02, 2001 @ 12:11 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3137. Re: Equator road sign position accuracy
      Newsgroups: sci.geo.satellite-nav,sci.engr.surveying,misc.transport.road,sci.astro,rec.travel.misc ... Neville Hi Morton Neville We have a similar mark here
      Jul 02, 2001 @ 15:48 - Dan Jacobson (Dan Jacobson <jidanni@...>)
3138. RE: [BoundaryPoint] BoNaZaZi - crumbs only
      According to this map I found some time ago on the net, it should be about 2,4 km from Zimbabwe to Namibia (measured on the screen). I also found some map
      Jul 03, 2001 @ 09:53 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@yahoo.no>)
3139. borderpictureNoSefrom1965
      Attached you ll find a picture of mine that I found in an old album - it shows BP member Peter H. 36 years ago on the Swedish side of the boundary bridge
      Jul 03, 2001 @ 19:36 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
3140. once more - this time jpg-file - sorry!
      Sorry ! Pete
      Jul 03, 2001 @ 19:46 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
3141. misc
      welcome back dan now would you please return the strangeness that was mysteriously shanghaied from our main page to taiwan the first time you quoted it notice
      Jul 03, 2001 @ 19:57 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
3142. Estonian-Latvian border
      Nice summer to everybody! Today I have noticed a picture about Estonian-Latvian border in a newspaper Eesti Ekspress . It is in the internet site:
      Jul 05, 2001 @ 08:16 - andreslb2000@yahoo.co.uk (andreslb2000@...)
3143. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Estonian-Latvian border
      Most interesting picture, Andres - thank you! Would you be able to tell the exact location of that bordermarker?? - looks like Valga/Valka to me...! All the
      Jul 05, 2001 @ 14:08 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
3144. UNEP
      It is quit in BP. Everybody on holliday? http://gridg.grid.unep.ch/datasets/gnv-data.html click on Boundaries I found this link recently but I could not spend
      Jul 05, 2001 @ 21:24 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <h.ten.veen@...>)
3145. Yahoo! News Story - Associated Press Photo
      Doug Murray (doug@dougmurrayproductions.com) has sent you a news article Personal message: A border shot! Associated Press Photo
      Jul 06, 2001 @ 00:41 - Yahoo! News (Yahoo! News <refertofriend@...>)
3146. Yahoo! News Story - Associated Press Photo
      Doug (dmurray@dougmurrayproductions.com) has sent you a news article Personal message: Associated Press Photo
      Jul 06, 2001 @ 00:42 - Yahoo! News (Yahoo! News <refertofriend@...>)
3147. Yahoo! News Story - Associated Press Photo
      Doug (dmurray@dougmurrayproductions.com) has sent you a news article Personal message: How would this change the marking of the border? Associated Press Photo
      Jul 06, 2001 @ 00:43 - Yahoo! News (Yahoo! News <refertofriend@...>)
3148. Crossborder cooperation
      Dear friends, Hereby, I am very pleased to communicate to you the address of a web site dedicated to CROSSBORDER COOPERATION (information, literature, links
      Jul 06, 2001 @ 07:08 - Xavier.Munyoz@terrassa.org (Xavier.Munyoz@...)
3149. Bring out the picknick stuff!
      Last weekend I made a little trip to the south (south of the Netherlands, that is, and more precisely the Ardennes and Eifel regions). With me I took my little
      Jul 06, 2001 @ 09:48 - Peter Smaardijk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Smaardijk?= <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
3150. Spanish enclave in France
      Hello fhoiberg! You have to add in your http://members.aol.com/marismits/geography.htm, another enclave in the french-spanish border region at the Pyrennees:
      Jul 06, 2001 @ 10:43 - Xavier Munyoz Torrent (Xavier Munyoz Torrent <Xavier.Munyoz@...>)
3151. Dry and wet parts of delu
      The second series of three starts with the border crossing between Roth an der Our (D) and Vianden (L). The boundary marker next to the Luxembourg shield is
      Jul 06, 2001 @ 10:47 - Peter Smaardijk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Smaardijk?= <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
3152. delu bridges
      The first picture is of the Alfred-Toepfer-Bruecke at Weilerbach across the Sauer. The boundary marker you see is the German one of the no. 15 boundary marker
      Jul 06, 2001 @ 11:21 - Peter Smaardijk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Smaardijk?= <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
3153. Tourist info on both sides of the border
      These pictures are from the bridge between Keppeshausen (D) and Stolzembourg (L) across the Our. On the German bridgehead, there is a little building, that
      Jul 06, 2001 @ 11:56 - Peter Smaardijk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Smaardijk?= <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
3154. bedelu question marks
      This is the bedelu tripoint. Not really a tripoint, because in this area Belgium, Germany, Luxemburg, and the Luxembourgo-German condominium meet. I still
      Jul 06, 2001 @ 12:40 - Peter Smaardijk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Smaardijk?= <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
3155. RE: [BoundaryPoint] bedelu question marks
      Peter,   I am thrilled by your condominium pictures. Thanks for sharing them and the information to go with them.   I have some questions to you and others:
      Jul 06, 2001 @ 13:05 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <blofeld_es@...>)
3156. Rueckschlag and Fringshaus
      These three are the last for now. The first two pictures concern the smallest of the Vennbahn exclaves, the one called Rueckschlag, near Entenpfuhl. The first
      Jul 06, 2001 @ 13:25 - Peter Smaardijk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Smaardijk?= <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
3157. Re: Tourist info on both sides of the border
      ... I didn t realise it when I was there, but I just found out that Keppeshausen was the smallest municipality of Federal Germany in 1982, when it had just six
      Jul 06, 2001 @ 13:50 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3158. Re: bedelu question marks
      Peter H. s site also contains some pictures of the tripoint, when the vegetation at this place was somewhat less. See
      Jul 06, 2001 @ 16:48 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3159. Hemmeres picnic tabel - Peter S! grats!
      Hello Peter S., I was so happy finding your pictures from the German hamlet Hemmeres - I ve been trying to get the relevant info on their location from the
      Jul 06, 2001 @ 19:24 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
3160. Re: BoNaZaZi - crumbs only
      My mail keeps disappearing. Belatedly - this dry-land boundary between Botswana and Zambia on Jan s map is one I ve seen before, in DeLorme s Global Explorer.
      Jul 07, 2001 @ 00:33 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
3161. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: BoNaZaZi - crumbs only
      I have no problems to see Grant s objections. Some of us should take contact with some locals in this area. During my search I found several jungle holiday
      Jul 07, 2001 @ 14:10 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <Jan@...>)
3162. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Really Arbitrary Points
      The Tropic of Cancer is also marked on a main highway south of Brownsville /Matamoros (TX/MX) on the way toward Tampico, at least it was in 1977. The Tropic of
      Jul 07, 2001 @ 17:33 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
3163. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Really Arbitrary Points
      Technically, of course, the 45th parallel is not precisely half way between the equator and the pole. It would be if the earth were a sphere. But since the
      Jul 07, 2001 @ 17:43 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
3164. bedelu triline etc
      nice going peter & continued good luck pinning down the last of the 6 delu condo tripoints i think you must have nailed both vianden tripoints cold & it looks
      Jul 08, 2001 @ 01:37 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
3165. Re: Really Arbitrary Points
      David, how do you define vertical ? Surely not gravitationally because variations in rock density, elevation, and even geometrical latitude would produce
      Jul 07, 2001 @ 20:59 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
3166. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Really Arbitrary Points
      You may be right, vertical may be defined by an ellipsoid approximating the geoid. I am sticking to my point that the degree of latitude varies systematically,
      Jul 07, 2001 @ 21:24 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
3167. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Small summer quiz
      Are you looking for a set of three countries such that they share three separate tri points? For US states, the answer would be KYMOTN: Mississippi River
      Jul 07, 2001 @ 22:32 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
3168. Re: Really Arbitrary Points
      Agreed. BJB ... approximating ... varies ... defined ... geometrical ... within ... earth s ... way ... were a ... but ... solid ... plane ... angle ...
      Jul 08, 2001 @ 01:03 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
3169. You'd be livid if you knew what you're being charged.
      Don t bend over and back into their bank vault anymore! Pay ONLY 4.9 cents per minute! With service as good or better than you re getting now...Guaranteed!
      Jul 08, 2001 @ 13:05 - LowestRates@hotmail.com (LowestRates@...)
3170. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: bedelu question marks
      Peter Great photos. Are there anyway we can check out wether Our is a condominium. It would be nice to know before we are there at GCEBE. Is there any chance
      Jul 08, 2001 @ 14:35 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3171. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Small summer quiz
      Well, the triple tripoints are: Armenia-Azerbaijan-Iran Jesper ... From: David Mark To: Sent:
      Jul 08, 2001 @ 14:40 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3172. Re: [BoundaryPoint] All 5 South African tripoints
      Hi Brendan They are great maps, but studying them I feel a bit turned off. I don t see a single marked tp. Perhaps ZaNaBo, but it s hard to read anything from
      Jul 08, 2001 @ 15:24 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3173. Re: Small summer quiz
      The two tp s amazir i can see on a map, but not the third one. Remember Nakhichevan is linked to Turkey by a small corridor. Peter S. ... three ... ATCHFL,
      Jul 08, 2001 @ 17:45 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3174. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Small summer quiz
      You are right. I belive Gidoen is here talking of three triponts. Can anyody verify. Jesper ... From: Peter Smaardijk To:
      Jul 08, 2001 @ 17:51 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3175. Re: Hemmeres picnic tabel - Peter S! grats!
      No, it s not hard to find, and easily reachable from bedelu. This is how you drive: From bedelu, go to Ouren, continue all the way to Weweler (sometimes
      Jul 08, 2001 @ 17:56 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3176. Re: bedelu triline etc
      I didn t really find the Vianden tripoints. As for the southern one, this probably is boundary marker no. 19, on the east bank of the Our. And the northern one
      Jul 08, 2001 @ 18:01 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3177. Re: Small summer quiz
      I can also only think of a national one: the exclave of the Côte-d Or departement in France (village of Ménessaire) causes the departements Côte-d Or,
      Jul 08, 2001 @ 18:10 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3178. Re: bedelu question marks
      The Our is indeed a condominium, judging by the little border shields on the bridges there (Stolzembourg/Keppeshausen). At least for the delu part. As for bede
      Jul 08, 2001 @ 18:16 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3179. The az-tr corridor
      Just to remind you, I took this little map from the Encarta World Atlas and added some names (the enclave is Kyarki). Peter S.
      Jul 08, 2001 @ 18:21 - Peter Smaardijk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Smaardijk?= <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
3180. Crossborder Cooperation - New Yahoo!Group
      Dear friends, This is to invite to you to take part in the new Yahoo! Messages group (just created) on CROSSBORDER COOPERATION, a free, esasy-to- use, digital
      Jul 08, 2001 @ 18:49 - Xavier.Munyoz@terrassa.org (Xavier.Munyoz@...)
3181. DELU
      According to Wolfgang map in message http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/1170 a delu condominium starts at the defrlu triline heading north on
      Jul 08, 2001 @ 19:55 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3182. delu condo
      jesper it is my guess that there are actually 2 delu condo areas one running north from defrlu almost up to vianden & the other running north from just above
      Jul 08, 2001 @ 20:28 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
3183. Re: delu condo
      I just had yet another look at Wolfgang s documents, and it is clear from those that: 1. At the time of the fixing of the boundary, there _was_ no condominium.
      Jul 08, 2001 @ 20:55 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3184. Great site for boundary and mapaholics
      http://www.uni-mainz.de/FB/Geo/Geologie/GeoSurv.html
      Jul 08, 2001 @ 21:04 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3185. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Small summer quiz
      I only see two. One in the SW of Azerbaijan proper, one in the SE of Nakhichevan fragment. At the other end of Nakhichevan, Iran links to turkey and then to
      Jul 09, 2001 @ 00:30 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
3186. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: delu condo
      According to the Naval Intelligence Handbook for Luxemburg, Sept 1944, at Vianden the German frontier ceases to follow the left bank of the Our . Which
      Jul 09, 2001 @ 01:03 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
3187. Berlin Wall photo site
      Being new to this group I m not sure if this site (which has several hundred photos of the Wall) has been mentioned before, but I ll post the address anyway:
      Jul 09, 2001 @ 08:11 - David Birch ("David Birch" <dbirch@...>)
3188. Re: Berlin Wall photo site
      Not to my knowledge. It s really a beautiful site. Thanks for mentioning it. I knew there were not only borders signs in German, English, French and/or
      Jul 09, 2001 @ 08:36 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3189. Another source
      ... of a river. This time the Moselle (the one of condominium fame). The first picture at this website is the source of this river. Together with the end of
      Jul 09, 2001 @ 18:28 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3190. Namibia-Botswana
      Just want to let you know there is a great map of the Namibia-Botswana border at
      Jul 09, 2001 @ 19:36 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3191. Cameroon/Central African Rep. border - expert advice needed!
      Border folk, I need any help you can offer. I m looking for detail on the border between Cameroon and the Central African Republic. Biger describes this as
      Jul 09, 2001 @ 19:39 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
3192. a few more stray bonazazi bwnazmzw bcwazazi thoughts
      unconvinced by those maps that show bwnazm fully formed & on the left bank of the zambezi yet & lacking any maps as credible as brownlies & still wanting
      Jul 10, 2001 @ 05:03 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
3193. S.Africa & Lux
      Rechecked the S.Africa maps. Of its five tripoints, only ZaNaBo has a monument on it. Three others are in rivers, so do not, although Crooks Corner for
      Jul 10, 2001 @ 00:16 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
3194. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cameroon/Central African Rep. border - expert advice needed!
      Brownlie is your man for African boundaries. Check out his book in your local university library. BW ...
      Jul 10, 2001 @ 00:18 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
3196. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Berlin Wall photo site
      If you search under Zehlendorf, you can see some pictures with the caption Bottcheborg exclave or the like. Can anybody draw a boundary there. Arif ...
      Jul 10, 2001 @ 04:58 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
3197. Re: Berlin Wall photo site
      What is meant is a GDR exclave. The word exclave is used wrongfully here. The picture showes the road to the exclave , so it can be compared to the
      Jul 10, 2001 @ 08:21 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3198. Re: S.Africa & Lux
      ... northern end ... an island ... suspect so ... exactly in ... There is a boundary marker in Schengen, on the west bank of the Moselle, at the point where
      Jul 10, 2001 @ 08:35 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3199. Another Am Boettcherberg picture
      ... so not of the exclaves, to be sure. My guess is we re looking south (towards the Wannseestrasse), and the GDR pene-exclave is to our left.
      Jul 10, 2001 @ 09:28 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3200. The last picture was from this nice site
      http://www.kupfernagel.de/ Peter S.
      Jul 10, 2001 @ 09:33 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3202. Spam messages
      As you know, it has always been BoundaryPoint s intent to keep membership and posting privileges as open as possible. Within the past month or so however, two
      Jul 10, 2001 @ 13:01 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
3203. Boundary Markers for Washington DC
      The Washington Post today (7/10/01) had a long article on the boundary markers for Washington DC that were placed at the time of George Washington, one per
      Jul 10, 2001 @ 17:33 - Randy Finder ("Randy Finder" <naraht@...>)
3204. Significant Boundary disputes
      I m looking for *significant* boundary disputes in the world right now. This being roughly defined as where more than 5% of what one country claims as its area
      Jul 10, 2001 @ 18:13 - Randy Finder ("Randy Finder" <naraht@...>)
3205. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Significant Boundary disputes
      Hello Randy, The obvious cases I could think of off the top of my head are: Venezuela claiming a large slice of Guyana Irland have just withdrawn their claim
      Jul 10, 2001 @ 18:25 - Bernhard (Bernhard <tardis@...-net.de>)
3206. Re: Boundary Markers for Washington DC
      Following is a URL for the story that Randy mentions: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A37940-2001Jul9.html Nice one...thanks Randy! Bill
      Jul 10, 2001 @ 20:30 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
3207. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Spam messages
      Bill, thank you for your spam protection! but .... A few minutes ago a mail of mine was rejected, because the email address used to send the message was not
      Jul 10, 2001 @ 20:57 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
3208. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Significant Boundary disputes
      What about Kashmir (India/Pakistan); Certainly not 5%: and recently abandoned Panama Canal Zone. Malvinas/Falkland (Argentina/UK) [I think South Georgia was/is
      Jul 10, 2001 @ 20:59 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
3209. more thinking about trilines & the quadriarea etc
      trilines are of course not monolithic like tripoints but are actually of dipolar constitution like a stick with 2 ends their terminal points have different
      Jul 10, 2001 @ 21:28 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
3210. Re: more thinking about trilines &c/Significant Boundary disputes
      ... wrote: the trick & real test of the power of everyones land will come in defrocking the exclusively divine rights of kings scam that still underlies
      Jul 10, 2001 @ 21:50 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3211. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Spam messages
      Thank you Harry...that s just the kind of feedback I was looking for. Please keep me advised if you continue to have bounced emails. A possible alternative
      Jul 11, 2001 @ 00:11 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
3212. Hard and Soft Bounces (was Re: Spam messages)
      Here s what Yahoo!Groups has to say about bouncing messages: What is the difference between hard bounce and soft bounce ? Yahoo! Groups organizes bounces
      Jul 11, 2001 @ 00:21 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
3213. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Spam messages
      For clarification, spam and bounced emails are of course, two separate issues. When I refer to moderating posts as a last resort, it would be for the
      Jul 11, 2001 @ 00:25 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
3214. Re: Spam messages
      I think spam goes with the territory. I suggest we just ignore it. It will probably stay at a tolerable level. If we really want to escape, we should start a
      Jul 11, 2001 @ 02:00 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
3215. Re: more thinking about trilines &c/Significant Boundary disputes
      ... There are only ~44 signatories to the Antarctic Treaty, of whom ~27 maintain bases in the Antarctic. I suspect places like the Central African Republic
      Jul 11, 2001 @ 16:24 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
3216. Tp-story India-Bagladesh-Myanmar
      http://www.tehelka.com/investigation/previous/in102400armsbazaar1.htm
      Jul 11, 2001 @ 21:38 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3217. Re: [BoundaryPoint] brgyve
      Another angle: http://www.guyanaca.com/shape_guyana.html Jesper ... From: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 04,
      Jul 11, 2001 @ 21:50 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3218. Re: Parisian enclave?
      I heard about this one as well, that the City of Paris owned the source of the Seine River. Apparently Baron Hausmann, who re-built Paris in the 19th century,
      Jul 11, 2001 @ 23:27 - sanfrancoins@yahoo.com (sanfrancoins@...)
3219. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Parisian enclave?
      If you look at administrative maps of China, the cities there often have enclaves way out in the country, because that is the site of a coal mine or other
      Jul 12, 2001 @ 01:25 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
3220. RE: Significant Boundary disputes
      I am not sure that the significance of a dispute is necessarily related to the size of the area at stake. For example, I would say that the Eritrea-Ethiopia
      Jul 12, 2001 @ 11:40 - Martin Pratt ("Martin Pratt" <m.a.pratt@...>)
3221. DELU condo input
      I asked the Landesvermessungsamt of Rheinland-Pfalz about the delu condominium. Below is the answer I received. Mats ... The Landesamt für Vermessung und
      Jul 12, 2001 @ 18:17 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <blofeld_es@...>)
3222. Luxembourg's borders - the truth
      I have been in contact with the Luxembourg survey office and they are tellig me: * all the rivers wich define the boundaries beetween Luxembourg and Germany
      Jul 12, 2001 @ 18:22 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
3223. Live Cams at the US-Canada Border
      Just discovered a couple of live web cameras pointing north to the US-Canada border (WA-BC). Have a peek here:
      Jul 12, 2001 @ 18:24 - Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline ("Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline" <dmurray@...>)
3224. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: London underground and Russian pene-enclave
      Peter A bid late, but here are scanned maps of the local border in NW London Jesper ... From: Peter Smaardijk To:
      Jul 12, 2001 @ 18:50 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
3225. Greenland's continental shelf
      In an article the Danish newspaper Politiken published early this month, Denmark wants to do continental shelf survey in 2003. They want to claim the North
      Jul 12, 2001 @ 19:06 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3226. neutraal moresnet en Baarle Nassau/Hertog
      Hallo, Wie kan mij meer vertellen over het vierlandenpunt Nederland-Belgie- Duitsland en Neutraal Moresnet. Ik weet veel over de enclaves van Baarle
      Jul 12, 2001 @ 19:23 - leovandenend@hetnet.nl (leovandenend@...)
3227. Re: [BoundaryPoint] neutraal moresnet en Baarle Nassau/Hertog
      Dag Leo, Er is een hele goede site over Neutraal Moresnet: http://home.hccnet.nl/c.damen/ daar vind je vast veel antwoord op je vragen! Before posting to much
      Jul 12, 2001 @ 21:06 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
3228. [No Subject]
      I just came across some interesting papers relating to borders and their issues. Lots of summer reading here! http://www.indepsocres.spb.ru/7e.htm Doug Murray
      Jul 12, 2001 @ 22:16 - Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline ("Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline" <dmurray@...>)
3229. Yahoo! Canada Maps and Driving Directions
      Doug Murray (dmurray@stockphotosonline.com) has sent you a Yahoo! Canada Map Personal message: I just got this map as directions to a party this weekend. I ll
      Jul 12, 2001 @ 23:16 - Yahoo! Canada Maps (Yahoo! Canada Maps <dmurray@...>)
3230. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Yahoo! Canada Maps and Driving Directions
      Don t forget to tell us about the party...! Bill ... Don t forget to tell us about the party...! Bill At 07:16 PM 7/12/01, you wrote: Doug Murray
      Jul 13, 2001 @ 00:53 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
3231. the real nmoktx
      i finally had time to scan this, here is the real nmoktx according to jane Love, Jane
      Jul 13, 2001 @ 02:24 - jane capellaro (jane capellaro <j@discovernet.net>)
3232. Re: [BoundaryPoint] the real nmoktx
      Which way is the vehicle headed? If it s heading west then it is the same marker shown in my book, and it is the spot marked on the topo map. Jack ... From:
      Jul 13, 2001 @ 02:59 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
3233. Re: [BoundaryPoint] the real nmoktx
      Jane, any idea when this photo was taken? When I went there March 31 1997, there was a witness post with a metal sign right next to what I am 99.9% certain
      Jul 13, 2001 @ 14:26 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
3234. Another high seas enclave
      Attached is another map generated from GTOPO30, with some additional islands inserted by hand. It shows what I ve previously called the North Fiji Basin
      Jul 13, 2001 @ 21:29 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@cs.com)
3235. Re: last reply
      This is my second and last e-mail to this group, the truck was headed west, I don t know much more than that and will not answer any more questions, I am just
      Jul 14, 2001 @ 10:39 - j@discovernet.net (j@...)
3236. Luxembourg border sum up
      Luxembourg is bordering three countries: Belgium (be), Germany (de), France (fr) - delu is a wet condominium except where the border becomes dry at the detour
      Jul 14, 2001 @ 18:15 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3237. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Luxembourg border sum up
      ... What about fr frsp sp (x2) at Ile de la Conference? Mats
      Jul 14, 2001 @ 18:23 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <blofeld_es@...>)
3238. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Luxembourg border sum up
      Offcourse! Do we have any good maps of the southern binational tp at Vianden? Jesper ... From: Mats Hessman To:
      Jul 14, 2001 @ 18:26 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3239. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Greenland's continental shelf
      Here is the map. ... From: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen To: Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 9:06 PM Subject:
      Jul 14, 2001 @ 21:53 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
3240. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Luxembourg border sum up
      Not yet, but they ll arrive in Denmark soon, I hope - just asked for detailed maps on the Vianden area in Lux. - have a nice Sunday everybody... Pete ... From:
      Jul 15, 2001 @ 08:34 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
3241. something else - for a change!
      No folks, this is no boundary marker, but something that must be regarded being close by = family: a trigonometric point on the Greek island of Naxos on the
      Jul 15, 2001 @ 09:10 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
3242. Great Jungholzmap
      I got this very accurate map of the Jungholz area around Sorgschrofen mountain from Mats - thank you Mats! Scale must be something like 1:5.000! Notice that
      Jul 15, 2001 @ 15:34 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
3243. here's the attachment - sorry!
      
      Jul 15, 2001 @ 09:11 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
3244. another miscellany but best i can for now
      nice going jc david look in this new nmoktx picture again & i am 99 percent sure you will see the sign you are seeking between jc & the navy van & okayyy
      Jul 16, 2001 @ 04:45 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
3245. Re: [BoundaryPoint] another miscellany but best i can for now
      ... But if the cement post with the benchmark did not move between 1997 and 2001, then the witness post metal sign moved about 2-3 meters north and rotated
      Jul 15, 2001 @ 22:03 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
3246. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Great Jungholzmap
      Can Matts or Peter please give me/us full details of the map? I presume it is a Bavarian 1:5,000 map? sheet number/name? BW ...
      Jul 15, 2001 @ 23:37 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
3247. Re: more thinking about trilines &c/Significant Boundary disputes
      ... Until it turns out that it might give them a voice in some international conference, where they can use it to obtain something which is completely
      Jul 16, 2001 @ 10:29 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3248. Re: brgyve
      Just bear in mind that this guyanaca site might be a bit biassed... I ve seen other ones at guyanaca that definitely were. To be sure, I haven t seen anything
      Jul 16, 2001 @ 10:32 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3249. Re: Parisian enclave?
      In Spain, some municipalities that are in a valley, also have parts high up in the mountains, sometimes very far from the village. This probably is because the
      Jul 16, 2001 @ 10:35 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3250. Re: Luxembourg's borders - the truth
      Great! This was bound to be the most likely outcome, but now that it s confirmed, I won t have to lie awake anymore at night ;-) Does anyone know when the
      Jul 16, 2001 @ 10:39 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3251. Re: London underground and Russian pene-enclave
      Thanks. I see what you mean. No such boundary fun on my map, though. So maybe the boundary was rectified after your map was published, or my map is wrong.
      Jul 16, 2001 @ 10:41 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3252. Re: [BoundaryPoint] another miscellany but best i can for now
      ... 90 percent sure i dont remember which of the several near misses this was but why do you care m Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at
      Jul 16, 2001 @ 18:12 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
3253. Fwd: Changes of Internal Boundaries
      Can anyone help this man? ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at
      Jul 17, 2001 @ 01:16 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
3254. Fwd: Re: Changes of Internal Boundaries
      ... Anyone seen this book? Any good? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail
      Jul 17, 2001 @ 01:17 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
3255. Steinstuecken and the ghost counter enclave
      I am still wondering about the Steinstücken possible counter-enclave question. A couple of days ago, I was in Berlin, and I visited Steinstücken. I have
      Jul 17, 2001 @ 12:56 - Peter Smaardijk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Smaardijk?= <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
3256. Fwd: Re: Changes of Internal Boundaries
      I haven t seen it, but take a look at this man s home page: http://www.mindspring.com/~gwil/ Peter S. ... Administrative ...
      Jul 17, 2001 @ 13:08 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3257. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Great Jungholzmap
      Hello Brendan, here s the info I got from Mats: map no.: SW 28-37.15 part of Bayerische Flurkarte ... a good link might be: www.geodaten.bayern.de regards
      Jul 17, 2001 @ 19:56 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
3258. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
      Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File :
      Jul 18, 2001 @ 16:35 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com ( <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>)
3259. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
      Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File : /delu.htm
      Jul 18, 2001 @ 17:32 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com ( <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>)
3260. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
      Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File :
      Jul 18, 2001 @ 17:50 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com ( <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>)
3261. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
      Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File :
      Jul 18, 2001 @ 18:38 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com ( <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>)
3262. delu maps
      3 maps of delu scanned and uploaded to files section on BoundaryPoint. Please note that just south of bedelu is a condominium island. There is also one NE of
      Jul 18, 2001 @ 19:04 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3263. Re: Steinstuecken and the ghost counter enclave
      I d be interested to know how maintenance work was carried out on the railway line which ran through Steinstücken. Was the short section through West Berlin
      Jul 18, 2001 @ 20:06 - David Birch ("David Birch" <dbirch@...>)
3264. Re: [BoundaryPoint] delu maps
      I can t get it working Jesper. What could I do wrong? gl Harry ten Veen ... From: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen To:
      Jul 18, 2001 @ 21:29 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
3265. Re: [BoundaryPoint] delu maps
      Harry, Go here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/files look for bedelu.jpg, defrlu.jpg and dedelulu.jpg Jesper ... From: Harry ten Veen To:
      Jul 18, 2001 @ 21:53 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3266. Map wanted
      I don t know if we have seen this island before or not, but I think I found another small divided island on Norwegian border. This island is near the tripoint
      Jul 18, 2001 @ 22:54 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
3267. Re: [BoundaryPoint] another miscellany but best i can for now
      Well, if there really are two (or more) near-identical, 3-foot-tall, metal-jacketed concrete posts with benchmarks on top in the general area of NMOKTX, then I
      Jul 19, 2001 @ 02:41 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
3268. Re: [BoundaryPoint] another miscellany but best i can for now
      thank you i feel better then i am 80 percent sure the earlier pic posted was of the pseudonmoktx wholly within new mexico as distinct from the several other
      Jul 19, 2001 @ 03:46 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
3269. Fwd: Border dispute (Cameroon/CAR)
      Someone asked about the Maeroon/CAR border. So I asked a Cameroonian friend. Who passed on this recent news item. As far as he knows, the colonial boundaries,
      Jul 19, 2001 @ 04:51 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
3270. Tourism in Dahagram-Angarpota enclave
      The following tour was advertised on a AAA website: http://www.aaa.com.au/server/guestbook/server.cgi?tmpl=tourism BANGLADESH IS REALLY BEAUTIFUL TOURIST PLACE
      Jul 19, 2001 @ 06:07 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
3271. Re: New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
      It strikes me that the border between lu and delu between the no. 47 boundary marker pair is not straight, but bent! Does it mean that the borders leave the
      Jul 19, 2001 @ 08:51 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3272. Re: Steinstuecken and the ghost counter enclave
      ... the ... East ... from ... No. The workers came from East Germany. This was not only the case in Steinstuecken, but also in West Berlin proper. Although the
      Jul 19, 2001 @ 09:10 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3273. Bdy. markers 12 and 13 on noru
      Answer to msg. 3266 of Arif Peter S. ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at
      Jul 19, 2001 @ 10:23 - Peter Smaardijk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Smaardijk?= <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
3274. DELU condo origins
      Friends, I have procured a copy of the Grenzvermessung Deutschland-Luxemburg from the Landesvermessungsamt of Rheinland-Pfalz. I don t know if this is old
      Jul 19, 2001 @ 13:49 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <blofeld_es@...>)
3275. Re: DELU condo origins
      This comes as a surprise to me, because acc. to a document posted by Wolfgang some time ago (msg. 2175), the Emmericher Protokoll (Sept. 23, 1818) states:
      Jul 19, 2001 @ 14:18 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3276. East Berlin Border Guard map fragments
      Three of them can bee seen at http://www.dailysoft.com/berlinwall/maps/index_de.htm The famous Lenné Triangle can be seen on the Reichstag/Potsdamer Platz map
      Jul 19, 2001 @ 14:28 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3277. Another river condominium?
      Acc. to http://www.internationalwaterlaw.org/RegionalDocs/Parana2.htm Peter S.
      Jul 19, 2001 @ 14:47 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3278. Re: [BoundaryPoint] East Berlin Border Guard map fragments
      Love to see the whole map! I wonder if it can be found anywhere? Doug ... From: Peter Smaardijk Date: Thursday, July 19, 2001 07:28:47 AM To:
      Jul 19, 2001 @ 16:01 - Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline ("Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline" <dmurray@...>)
3279. Re: [BoundaryPoint] DELU condo origins
      ... Does it contain the the southern Vianden binational tripoints? If it does please post it. ... Is the book(?) defining the dondominium border? Water edge?
      Jul 19, 2001 @ 17:27 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3280. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
      You are right But I think it requires a better map to see if it s just a drawing error. Jesper ... From: Peter Smaardijk To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
      Jul 19, 2001 @ 19:19 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3281. RE: [BoundaryPoint] DELU condo origins
      ... No. There are example maps in the back, but none of them show any of the tripoints/lines in any detail. ... Yes, I think it defines the condominium border.
      Jul 19, 2001 @ 19:30 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <blofeld_es@...>)
3282. Re: East Berlin Border Guard map fragments
      Acc. to the site, the source is the Berliner Mauer Archiv, and one Hagen Koch. He is one of the two writers of the book Die Berliner Mauer (also mentioned on
      Jul 19, 2001 @ 19:42 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3283. Re: [BoundaryPoint] DELU condo origins
      Hej Mats, thanks for your most interesting info on DeLu! Conc. possible condominiunms between Austria and Germany: NO, not to my knowledge, never heard of...-
      Jul 19, 2001 @ 19:58 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
3284. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: East Berlin Border Guard map fragments
      On East Berlin Border Guard map fragments: I expect all the maps can be seen in the Bundesarchiv in Freiburg, where all the material from the former
      Jul 19, 2001 @ 19:56 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <blofeld_es@...>)
3285. Re: Fwd: Border dispute (Cameroon/CAR)
      ... That was me - belated thanks for your previous reply, and for the news item. I ve ordered Brownlie on an interlibrary loan from my local Uni. The one thing
      Jul 19, 2001 @ 22:15 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
3286. Re: [BoundaryPoint] DELU condo origins
      The comparison of Ger-Aut was referring to when? 1816? Post ww2? post 1990? Before WW1, Germany has a long border with Austro-Hungary. Perhaps the referecne is
      Jul 20, 2001 @ 00:13 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
3287. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: DELU condo origins
      If it dates fomr 1816, then this year is the 185th anniversary. Oppotunity for a toast with a blend of German and Luxemburg moselle eines during the September
      Jul 20, 2001 @ 00:16 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
3288. IndPak & IndBang & tourism
      Particularly for Dallen if he s still with us: For a nice photo of two ceremonial border guards at the border crossing of India-Pakistan, and a description of
      Jul 20, 2001 @ 04:14 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
3289. Re: DELU condo origins
      I thought about the Ger-Aut condominium question and I recalled reading something some time ago about the status of Lake Constance (Bodensee). Is it true that
      Jul 20, 2001 @ 10:22 - David Birch ("David Birch" <dbirch@...>)
3290. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: DELU condo origins (fwd)
      ... Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:34:40 -0400 From: Barry Smith To: David Mark Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re:
      Jul 20, 2001 @ 15:51 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
3291. Border delimination
      Political Frontiers and Boundaries , page 74: There have been cases where letters of place names shown on a nominated map has been used as a turning point.
      Jul 20, 2001 @ 20:57 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3292. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border delimination
      I d be very interested find out about these! Does anyone recall the 1943 film Five Graves to Cairo ? Set in north Africa during World War II, if I recall
      Jul 20, 2001 @ 23:02 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
3293. delu condo
      Just a picture of the de-delu-lu! Jesper http://www.mosel-reisefuehrer.de/palzem.htm
      Jul 21, 2001 @ 15:56 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3294. Current Steinstuecken map
      Hello! I found a Steinst�cken online map at
      Jul 21, 2001 @ 17:11 - Manfred Haertel (Manfred Haertel <Manfred.Haertel@...>)
3295. Re: [BoundaryPoint] delu condo
      do you mean one of the dedelulu tripoint twins dedelulun & dedelulus i doubt that or just somewhere within delu or the defrlu area or triline or what exactly m
      Jul 21, 2001 @ 17:21 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
3296. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: DELU condo origins (fwd)
      david this is the second time you have posted this & now i ask again what do you suppose is meant here by the sentence german holds no unambiguous opinion it
      Jul 22, 2001 @ 02:00 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
3297. Re: [BoundaryPoint] delu condo
      Just along delu. J ... From: Michael Donner To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] delu condo do
      Jul 22, 2001 @ 07:18 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3298. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
      Not according to Wolfgang s map. I have created a delu folder under files at Boundary Point. It containes the tripoint map and Wolfgang s documents that we
      Jul 22, 2001 @ 12:02 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3299. The Moselle N of Vianden?
      If wonder if button photo of http://www.cybercruises.com/kdearlydiscnov99.htm is showing Bivels N of Vianden? Jesper
      Jul 22, 2001 @ 14:56 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3300. where would you locate a country?
      Hello, all: I am writing a book and would love your help. I am looking for a real, unihabited but habitable locale anywhere in the world where 10,000,000+
      Jul 23, 2001 @ 04:10 - Maisel (Maisel <amaisel@...>)
3301. Border picture on the money
      Hi everybody, I have not mentioned earlier (of course due to my absent mindedness) that on Estonian five kroons you can see the Estonian-Russian border
      Jul 23, 2001 @ 08:19 - andreslb2000@yahoo.co.uk (andreslb2000@...)
3302. Re: The Moselle N of Vianden?
      It is the river Our that flows at Bivels. And anyway, no through shipping there, because of the dam (there is no lock). Or are you talking about another
      Jul 23, 2001 @ 08:55 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3303. Old pictures of benl
      http://www.chez.com/hbindels/pics_oldies/fr_gmm.jpg & http://www.chez.com/hbindels/pics_oldies/beusd_front.jpg Peter S.
      Jul 23, 2001 @ 09:31 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3304. Re: Old pictures of benl
      Doesn t seem to work. Try http://www.chez.com/hbindels/index.htm , and work your way through the site to the pictures. Peter S.
      Jul 23, 2001 @ 09:34 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3305. Re: The Moselle N of Vianden?
      I think it the River Saar Pierre
      Jul 23, 2001 @ 13:40 - Pierre ("Pierre" <fallyx@...>)
3306. Re: The Moselle N of Vianden?
      ... I think it is teh river Saar. Pierre
      Jul 23, 2001 @ 13:41 - Pierre ("Pierre" <fallyx@...>)
3307. 3302/The Moselle N of Vianden
      I think it is the river Saar. Pierre
      Jul 23, 2001 @ 13:48 - Pierre ("Pierre" <fallyx@...>)
3308. Re: The Moselle N of Vianden?
      I think it is the river Saar Pierre
      Jul 23, 2001 @ 13:51 - Pierre ("Pierre" <fallyx@...>)
3309. The Moselle N of Vianden?
      I think it is the river Saar Pierre
      Jul 23, 2001 @ 13:55 - Pierre ("Pierre" <fallyx@...>)
3310. Re 3302/Mosell N of Vianden?
      Sorry, I message must be corrigated: It is definitly the Moselle, a view from Calmond near the village of Bremm Pierre
      Jul 23, 2001 @ 14:26 - Pierre ("Pierre" <fallyx@...>)
3311. Re: Border picture on the money
      Some story! In Russia the sky was dark because it was evening!! ;-)) I know of problems caused by maps on stamps: The Irish Free State issued stamps depicting
      Jul 23, 2001 @ 20:18 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3312. DELU condo research
      Colleagues, Based on the Grenzvermessung Deutschland-Luxemburg... it seems possible to throw forward the following postulates: The delu condominuim seems to
      Jul 23, 2001 @ 19:21 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <blofeld_es@...>)
3313. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border picture on the money
      ... Not a border picture, but the 10 DEM (Deutsche Mark/German Mark) from 1991 showing Carl Friedrich Gauss, has on the back side a sextant (I assume) and a
      Jul 23, 2001 @ 21:50 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
3314. Re: [BoundaryPoint] DELU condo research
      IF it DOES come from the 1815 Vienna treaty, remember that Moresnet did too, because of the inability to reach any other compromise between Neth and Prussia.
      Jul 24, 2001 @ 00:05 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
3315. Re: [BoundaryPoint] DELU condo research
      Thanks alot maps I am starting to feel very well equipted for delu for GCEBE. But we still are out of a 1:10000 map of the binational tripoints S of Vianden.
      Jul 24, 2001 @ 05:59 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3316. Re: [BoundaryPoint] DELU condo research
      Sorry Mats I meant Thanks alot Mats It s just that I am a mapaholic. Jesper ... From: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent:
      Jul 24, 2001 @ 06:02 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3317. Re: DELU condo research
      Thanks Mats. I find your postulates very convincing. Until we find out something else, of course. What strikes me is your guess that at one time a wet
      Jul 24, 2001 @ 13:37 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3318. Re: Border picture on the money/Neuwerk
      For Neuwerk, see http://www.hamburg.de/Behoerden/Umweltbehoerde/duawww/dea8/26fa_75ee.h tm . A map is at
      Jul 24, 2001 @ 13:41 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3319. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Border picture on the money/Neuwerk
      Thank you Peter, I am in possess of the original map 1:7.500. It is a fact that indeed a little piece of the coast of Niedersachsen also belongs to the Freie
      Jul 24, 2001 @ 22:05 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
3320. Moving river borders
      We (well, Peter S and I) had some discussion a while back about riverine borders - whether if the river shifted its course the border stayed put or moved with
      Jul 24, 2001 @ 22:21 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
3321. Brownlie's African Boundaries
      I have a copy of Brownlie on loan from the university for the next month. If anyone wants me to look anything up for them, let me know. I ll happily transcribe
      Jul 24, 2001 @ 22:21 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
3322. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Border picture on the money/Neuwerk
      Harry, I have questions on the Hamburg/Niedersachsen border. You might have noticed my messages from a long time ago when I unfortunately received no
      Jul 24, 2001 @ 22:38 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
3323. The Hispaniola postage stamp
      Haiti and the Dominican republic almost went to war over these stamps: http://members.tripod.com/claghorn1p/Dominican/index.htm Peter S.
      Jul 25, 2001 @ 09:35 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3324. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: DELU condo research
      The Grenzvermessung Deutschland-Luxemburg is a truly remarkble book. (It even has a large friendly map printed on the cover :). Here is what is has to say on
      Jul 25, 2001 @ 12:58 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <blofeld_es@...>)
3325. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: DELU condo research
      Thanks Mats, for your most interesting and breathtaking remarks on the condo areas... of course, mate, we wouldn t dare coming home without having taken a
      Jul 25, 2001 @ 14:31 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
3326. Re: Another river condominium?
      This looks like being a real condominium. See http://www.dams.org/submissions/sub_sp_filho_en.htm : ITAIPU Binacional. This binational entity was formally
      Jul 25, 2001 @ 21:13 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3327. Re: Border picture on the money/Neuwerk
      Some additional information (history) can be found at: http://www.hamburg.de/StadtPol/stats/neuwerk/welcome.htm . Fascinating to learn the place is inhabited
      Jul 25, 2001 @ 21:37 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3328. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Another river condominium?
      Concerning ITAIPU - just a personal remark: this BRA-PAR condominium is one of the most impressive human made structures in the world! BUT: when we visited the
      Jul 26, 2001 @ 08:23 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
3329. Re: Another river condominium?
      OK. On one of these sites, a map showed a boundary in the middle of the reservoir, so it might well be, as you say, a condominium of ownership and not of
      Jul 26, 2001 @ 08:46 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3330. Outlying city quarters/municipal exclaves
      It is interesting that the Hamburg part of the Wadden Sea is part of the Central district of the city. But it is not unique. The parts of West Berlin that
      Jul 26, 2001 @ 09:45 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3331. Bonus bits of Everyone's Sea
      Prescott s book and the maritime boundaries map at www.maritimeboundaries.com show a couple of bits of the high seas that have come into existence purely as
      Jul 26, 2001 @ 10:02 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
3332. Turkish onions at the Berlin wall
      At some places along the Berlin wall, the wall didn t stand very close to the actual border. The most famous example is of course the Lenné Triangle, where
      Jul 26, 2001 @ 13:16 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3333. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Bonus bits of Everyone's Sea
      nice going grant you are on the leading edge of everyones land as usual so do you think this means we may actually have 3 salients toward or actual beachheads
      Jul 27, 2001 @ 02:24 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
3334. one last itch to scratch re atchde
      would someone with access to gideon please confirm whether he indicates an atchde tricountry point in lake constance or does he also indicate the hole or
      Jul 27, 2001 @ 02:42 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
3335. Re: one last itch to scratch re atchde
      ... Of the three borders, he gives most detail under Germany-Switzerland: The boundary tripoint with Austria is located in the southeastern section of Lake
      Jul 26, 2001 @ 21:06 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
3336. Re: one last itch to scratch re atchde
      Gideon may say whatever he likes of course, but only Switzerland wants the lake to be divided between the three countries according to the equidistance
      Jul 26, 2001 @ 21:25 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3337. Re: one last itch to scratch re atchde
      Cf. the following: (...)as demonstrated by the case of Lake Constance over a substantial period, it is possible to agree on the regulation of particular uses
      Jul 26, 2001 @ 21:50 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3338. Re: Bonus bits of Everyone's Sea
      Michael: I notice you got message 3333 as well as 2222. Timing is all. ... It s like one of these old sleight-of-mind maths puzzles from Scientific American.
      Jul 26, 2001 @ 22:08 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
3339. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Border picture on the money/Neuwerk
      Peter and Arif and all others of course. Arif, your question about the Hamburg/Niedersachsen border was before I became a BP-member. I almost never look in the
      Jul 26, 2001 @ 22:21 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
3340. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Border picture on the money/Neuwerk
      Attached to this mail are three parts of two maps. From the map Nationalpark Hamburgisches Wattenmeer : Cuxhaven-1 and Cuxhaven-2. This map is 1:30.000 by
      Jul 27, 2001 @ 17:03 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@amsat.org>)
3341. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: one last itch to scratch re atchde
      also please consider the likeliest probability which is that gideon in 1997 must have been aware of trilateral documentation for this precise atchde position
      Jul 27, 2001 @ 20:52 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
3342. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bonus bits of Everyone's Sea
      thank you grant for pointing this 3333 thing out i am glad to learn i havent lost my touch even tho i am shooting completely blind now upon further reflection
      Jul 27, 2001 @ 21:18 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
3343. Re: one last itch to scratch re atchde
      I am willing to consider any possibility, but whether Gideon s is the most likely one I dare to doubt. I can t find any treaty anywhere on the web, Gideon
      Jul 27, 2001 @ 21:55 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3344. Re: Border picture on the money/Neuwerk
      Great maps, Harry! So the two boundaries don t come together in one, but two points. I wonder if they re marked. The short stretch between the points looks
      Jul 27, 2001 @ 22:01 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3345. An Introduction
      Hello, My name is I.M.Naanu (Call me Naanu) and I m doing my MBA here in USA. I m extremely interested in borders, especially the quirkish side of borders such
      Jul 28, 2001 @ 03:59 - imnaanu@yahoo.com (imnaanu@...)
3346. Re: [BoundaryPoint] An Introduction
      Dear Naanu Welcome to our group. I hope (and many others) that you have pictures to show from your border trips. In that case you are most welcome to post them
      Jul 28, 2001 @ 07:38 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3347. Lake Constance
      How far out in the water does each country s territory go? Or is the entire lake disputed? Does is mean that if we plant our feet in the water at the beach in
      Jul 28, 2001 @ 08:09 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3348. Bodensee/Lake Constance - once more..
      To my best knowledge, the three countries bordering Lake Constance have not yet reached any agreement on how to divide the lake... that would have been a
      Jul 28, 2001 @ 08:45 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
3349. Re: An Introduction
      Naanu: Welcome. I d be fascinated to hear more about your Madha visit. Did you actually go to Nahwa? Grant
      Jul 28, 2001 @ 15:32 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
3350. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: one last itch to scratch re atchde
      still it seems to me & i know gideon is sometimes a little fuzzy but i have never seen him so aberrated as to fake a tripoint hahahaha it seems to me he must
      Jul 28, 2001 @ 20:15 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
3351. virgin country
      forgive me but a message to the gentleman who recently checked in requesting a virgin country for 10 million people it appears that except for antarctica &
      Jul 28, 2001 @ 20:36 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
3352. Re: virgin country
      ... reef According to Prescott a drying reef is a reef exposed at low tide, and a low-tide elevation is a feature exposed a low tide. The OED definition of a
      Jul 28, 2001 @ 21:51 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
3353. BorderDeNlHeringsbosch pix+map
      Dear boundary fellows, attached pls find map and 2 pictures from an interesting spot at the Dutch- German border north of Brunssum (15 km N of Aachen) - a
      Jul 29, 2001 @ 20:24 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
3354. Heringsbosch - 2 pix
      here are the 2 photographs... Peter H.
      Jul 29, 2001 @ 20:26 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
3355. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BorderDeNlHeringsbosch pix+map
      Peter How was boundary markers placed? Jesper ... From: Peter Hering To: BoundaryPoint@egroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2001 10:24 PM Subject:
      Jul 29, 2001 @ 20:30 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3356. Re: BorderDeNlHeringsbosch pix+map
      I only have a 1:50000 topo map of this area, and on this map the boundary is drawn in the middle of the road. The southern marker is no. 263, and the northern
      Jul 30, 2001 @ 09:07 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3357. RE: [BoundaryPoint] BorderDeNlHeringsbosch pix+map
      Dear Peter, As far as I can see from the map the road already seems clearly demarcated? But what is written on the trafic sign? The text was somewhat
      Jul 30, 2001 @ 09:15 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
3358. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BorderDeNlHeringsbosch pix+map
      What a coincidence, last saterday we walked that road as part of the project of photographing all the appr. 800 bordermarkers between Germany and the
      Jul 30, 2001 @ 12:45 - Eef Berns ("Eef Berns" <eefberns@dds.nl>)
3359. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: virgin country
      good i believe both of them have no territorial standing in law nor any eez relevance so they might be the ideal territory for a network of stilt communities &
      Jul 31, 2001 @ 04:20 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
3360. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BorderDeNlHeringsbosch pix+map
      maestro when you say only definitely a target do you mean that just as definitely as when you say most definitely as you usually do or are you lowballing this
      Jul 30, 2001 @ 21:36 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
3361. Re: virgin country
      ... I don t think we can claim guano rocks for Everyone s Land. The UN excludes rocks that cannot sustain habitation *or economic life of their own* from use
      Jul 30, 2001 @ 23:55 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
3362. Point Extravanganza
      My brother Gregg and I just returned from a major 19-day, 7700 mile point-busting expedition. I will have much more detail later, but here is the list of the
      Jul 31, 2001 @ 00:48 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
3363. markers on river banks
      Hi Everyone, Some of the recent discussions on markers along the banks of border rivers has intrigued me. I m not sure about why they are located along some
      Jul 31, 2001 @ 04:23 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
3364. exclave tourism
      Hi Brendan and everyone. Yes, I m still with you, but I just got back tonight (two hours ago) from trapsing around North America for a few weeks. I do find
      Jul 31, 2001 @ 04:33 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
3365. Moving River Boundaries
      A while back Peter S asked for authoritative opinion on whether a boundary defined by a river would move when the river course shifted, or stay along the
      Jul 31, 2001 @ 12:38 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
3366. Re: Moving River Boundaries
      A logical and straightforward solution. But what about all these cases where the boundary does follow the old river course? To name but a few cases: the
      Jul 31, 2001 @ 13:14 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3367. Re: markers on river banks
      I think it s the same as in Europe. The only thing that puzzles me are the boundary markers along the delu condominial rivers. They make less sense to me,
      Jul 31, 2001 @ 13:33 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3368. re: virgin country
      Under the law of the sea, any naturally formed area of land which is surrounded by water and is above water at high tide is considered an island, and is
      Jul 31, 2001 @ 14:26 - Martin Pratt ("Martin Pratt" <m.a.pratt@...>)
3369. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: markers on river banks
      Yes Peter S, I fully agree with you on that definition of the DeNl neutral roads - I, too consider the middle of the road being the actual boundary line -
      Jul 31, 2001 @ 16:15 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
3370. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: markers on river banks
      Placing of an indirect marker is also done in Denmark, still with a plate on the road. Example at my site: http://www.geocities.com/graenser/rudboel8.html But
      Jul 31, 2001 @ 16:19 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3371. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: markers on river banks
      ... About markers in the middle of the road: Those of you who are planning to visit Büsingen and are interested in boundary markers should not miss the
      Jul 31, 2001 @ 17:18 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <blofeld_es@...>)
3372. Re: virgin country
      ... Does that mean that the U.K. no longer claims an EEZ around Rockall? Or are they holding out on the basis of its habitability and economic life ? (The
      Jul 31, 2001 @ 17:55 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
3373. Re: Moving River Boundaries
      ... Countries could of course stipulate any solution they liked: Brownlie uses the word presumption carefully in this section, to indicate that in the
      Jul 31, 2001 @ 18:06 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
3374. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Brownlie's African Boundaries
      ... If ... Grant, I recently bought a topo-map of Nigeria (in a second-hand shop, I couldn t resist ..). This 1960 map is 1:1M, published bij Shell. It seems
      Jul 31, 2001 @ 21:34 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
3375. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Brownlie's African Boundaries
      Harry, Mandates after World War I created some interesting boundary stories and probably the most interesting was the Cameroons. After the war, Three German
      Jul 31, 2001 @ 22:31 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
3376. rivers that move
      The standard law over rivers as boundaries, that i BELIEVE holds as default, unless replaced by specific provisions to thecontrary in a treaty, is that the
      Aug 01, 2001 @ 01:54 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
3377. Re: Brownlie's African Boundaries
      Harry: Arif has summarised the situation. The British bit of Cameroon was an eccentric shape - I m not sure if it tapered down to a trinational quadripoint at
      Aug 01, 2001 @ 11:31 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@cs.com)
3378. two tripoints
      Hello everybody, before the GCEBE starts off and will thorougly investigate these tripoints, I have updated my humble website with the defrlu and befrlu
      Aug 01, 2001 @ 13:09 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
3379. Re: virgin country
      Actually, the UK never claimed an EEZ around Rockall, since it only claims an Exclusive Fishing Zone rather than a full EEZ around the British Isles. But yes,
      Aug 01, 2001 @ 13:42 - Martin Pratt ("Martin Pratt" <m.a.pratt@...>)
3380. Canadian Four Corners
      It will take me a while to organize and post all of the information from our recent pointing expedition, but here is a photo of the apex of our adventure.
      Aug 01, 2001 @ 17:51 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
3381. Re: [BoundaryPoint] two tripoints
      I went to look at your site right away, but was actually happy that you did not find the befrlu, as none of us really knows how it looks. And I think we need
      Aug 01, 2001 @ 18:37 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3382. Re: [BoundaryPoint] two tripoints
      Thanks Harry for the update of your - not at all - humble site - it s quite funny to look at the picture from Tp BeFrLu - we ll be there in about 6 weeks...
      Aug 01, 2001 @ 19:16 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
3384. Tp BeFrLu - errandum
      sorry folks, I just discovered an error in my last mail... Harry s picture must be taken in France, the N(ational road) reads 18, and the road further north in
      Aug 01, 2001 @ 19:19 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
3386. Re: markers on river banks
      I ve seen this zigzag thing before in a German street atlas (a municipal boundary in the Falk Berlin one), and suspect (although this is a bit of a wild guess)
      Aug 01, 2001 @ 21:20 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3387. Re: markers on river banks
      The Heringsbosch case is an older demarcation. They didn t put metal plates in roads like they do nowadays, because the road surface back then was not as it is
      Aug 01, 2001 @ 21:23 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3388. Re: two tripoints
      I know I ve been promising you these pics of defrlu for ages now. I promise I will post them within a week or two. Peter S. ... tripoints, ... tripoints.
      Aug 01, 2001 @ 21:26 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3389. Re: rivers that move
      That should cover about all my reservations up to now. Thank you for this new viewpoint. It figures. Peter S. ... default, ... is that ... the ... man-made ...
      Aug 01, 2001 @ 21:24 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3390. [No Subject]
      My computer is warning me for a virus when I want to open the attachment. Is this the case? What is it? Peter S.
      Aug 01, 2001 @ 21:28 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3391. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Tp BeFrLu - errandum
      Hello! Glad to hear, that I did not spend time of looking for this tripoint. Actually I lost my way in this chaos of roads at the BeFrLu tripoint area, but
      Aug 01, 2001 @ 21:43 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
3392. MSNBC News Link: San Diego airport may cross border
      Bill Hanrahan sent you this MSNBC News Link: Message: Interesting article on how/why the San Diego airport may cross the USMX international border ** San Diego
      Aug 01, 2001 @ 22:54 - hanrahan@kua.net (<hanrahan@...>)
3393. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: markers on river banks
      Older maps and some current ones, when showing a boundary (dashed line) that follows al inear featuere (road, but particularly river), put alternate dashes on
      Aug 02, 2001 @ 00:44 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
3394. Re: [BoundaryPoint] (unknown)
      It IS a virus.!!!! ... From: Peter Smaardijk To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 11:28 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] (unknown) My
      Aug 02, 2001 @ 04:50 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3395. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Brownlie's African Boundaries
      Thank you Arif and Grant for explaining the former Nigerian border-situation(s)! ... River. No, the to parts are not connected: there is a peace of land of
      Aug 02, 2001 @ 12:44 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
3396. More lax than US-Canada?
      I was reading the article on the fences on InPk and the to be built on InBa. It hit me that at least to USAians, the other end of the scale is the US-Canadian
      Aug 02, 2001 @ 15:04 - Randy Finder ("Randy Finder" <naraht@...>)
3397. Re: More lax than US-Canada?
      I wouldn t characterize the US-Canada border as guarded . In general it is illegal to cross the border except at ports of entry, but most of the border has
      Aug 02, 2001 @ 15:27 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
3398. Re: [BoundaryPoint] More lax than US-Canada?
      Randy, Within the Schengen countries (Iceland, Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, France, Luxembourg, Austria, Spain, Portugal,
      Aug 02, 2001 @ 18:09 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3399. RE: [BoundaryPoint] More lax than US-Canada?
      Jesper, Randy and others, When did Norway and Iceland become part of the Schengen group? They re not part of the EU as yet. I have a couple of pictures of the
      Aug 02, 2001 @ 19:15 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
3400. Re: More lax than US-Canada?
      Yeah, I wish Canada would just wise up, maybe even become the 51st state, and then we could stop all this nonsense. BJB ... They re not ... different ... out
      Aug 02, 2001 @ 19:25 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
3401. Re: [BoundaryPoint] More lax than US-Canada?
      Dallen, I am sure my wife would concider my question very technical, but here it comes anyway. If I enter a house that is literally on the USCA border; am I
      Aug 02, 2001 @ 19:33 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3402. RE: [BoundaryPoint] More lax than US-Canada?
      This reminds me of an experience last week. I was at the US-Canada border in Montana/Alberta walking along the line and interviewing immigration/customs
      Aug 02, 2001 @ 19:36 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
3403. GCEBE related border issues
      Lake Constance/Bodensee The entire lake is not disputed. The territorry of the countries extend from the shore and until 25 m deep. Perhaps we should hire a
      Aug 02, 2001 @ 19:41 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3404. Borders in the middle of the road
      These borders are common, but interesting. Driving one way in one country, the other in a differend. They are know to exist on DENL (as we know), BEFR and DEDK
      Aug 02, 2001 @ 19:47 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3405. RE: [BoundaryPoint] More lax than US-Canada?
      Jesper, I m sure my wife would consider it too technical (or rather trivial) as well, but this is the kind of fun stuff I enjoy. Fortunately I have the
      Aug 02, 2001 @ 19:52 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
3406. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Borders in the middle of the road
      Jesper, I ll make some comments on middle of the road borders in USCA over the weekend as I promised in my last message. Dallen ... From: Jesper & Nicolette
      Aug 02, 2001 @ 19:53 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
3407. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: More lax than US-Canada?
      Or rather, America could become either a) the 11th Province or b) the 3rd Territory. Regarding the Canada-US border south of Vancouver... I drove along it last
      Aug 02, 2001 @ 21:42 - Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline ("Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline" <dmurray@...>)
3408. Lax Canada?
      Or rather, America could become either a) the 11th Province or b) the 3rd Territory. Regarding the Canada-US border south of Vancouver... I drove along it last
      Aug 02, 2001 @ 21:44 - Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline ("Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline" <dmurray@...>)
3409. Iceland, Norway, and Schengen
      Iceland and Norway are members of the Schengen Agreement as of 25 March 2001, but they are not part of EU. See for instance this map from Denmark. The Text
      Aug 02, 2001 @ 22:13 - Emil Boasson (Emil Boasson <eb3@...>)
3410. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Iceland, Norway, and Schengen
      Thanks Emil for clearing this up! Dallen ... From: Emil Boasson [mailto:eb3@acsu.buffalo.edu] Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 3:13 PM To:
      Aug 02, 2001 @ 22:20 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
3411. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Borders in the middle of the road
      For 5 or 6m, the border in the middle of Baarle goes down the centre of the road. I posted a photo of it a while back, with the line depicted by differently
      Aug 03, 2001 @ 00:08 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
3412. Re: More lax than US-Canada?
      And which existing territory should America supercede? The Northwest Territories, Yukon, or Nunavut? BJB ... the 3rd Territory. ... it last Sunday, from the
      Aug 03, 2001 @ 00:53 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
3413. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: More lax than US-Canada?
      How about a brand new one: The Southern Territories! Just think, no more long line ups for we Canadians looking for cheap shoes and you Americans looking for
      Aug 03, 2001 @ 02:41 - Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline ("Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline" <dmurray@...>)
3414. Virus at BorderPoint
      Hello, BorderPoint friends! It seems Peter Hering s computer got a virus (possibly Sircam) and it sent a file with double extension (double dot) to everybody.
      Aug 03, 2001 @ 09:28 - Raul Conde ("Raul Conde" <ephobius@...>)
3415. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Virus at BorderPoint
      It s the Win95.Mtx.B trojan Just for your info ... a
      Aug 03, 2001 @ 09:35 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3416. Re: Virus at BorderPoint
      I ve placed a temporary no posts restriction on Peter s account in an effort to keep Peter s PC from automatically uploading infected files. Hopefully,
      Aug 03, 2001 @ 10:37 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
3417. US - Canadian Union was(Re: More lax than US-Canada?)
      ... I can t see it as coming in as a single state, its just too large geographically. As far as I can tell the following country mergers have occured since
      Aug 03, 2001 @ 16:31 - Randy Finder ("Randy Finder" <naraht@...>)
3418. Re: Brownlie's African Boundaries
      For some background information on that wonderful subject of German colonies, see http://www.deutsche-schutzgebiete.de/ . Apart from Cameroon, Togo was also
      Aug 03, 2001 @ 16:31 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3419. Re: Brownlie's African Boundaries
      ... start of a ... Sorry - a small scanner and an unwieldy book! That s the El Beid River, flowing into Lake Chad. It s part of the old French/British border,
      Aug 03, 2001 @ 17:00 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
3420. Pennsylvania - North
      Corner Corner link: http://www.bjbsoftware.com/corners/pointdetail.php3?point=428 BJB
      Aug 03, 2001 @ 19:26 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
3421. New York - Southwest
      This is actually the first point on the trip Gregg and I just completed. http://www.bjbsoftware.com/corners/pointdetail.php3?point=444
      Aug 03, 2001 @ 19:28 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
3422. Ohio - North
      http://www.bjbsoftware.com/corners/pointdetail.php3?point=272
      Aug 03, 2001 @ 19:28 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
3423. Indiana - Michigan - Ohio Tri-state
      http://www.bjbsoftware.com/corners/pointdetail.php3?point=44
      Aug 03, 2001 @ 19:29 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
3424. Indiana - Northeast
      http://www.bjbsoftware.com/corners/pointdetail.php3?point=445
      Aug 03, 2001 @ 19:30 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
3425. Iowa - Illinois - Wisconsin Tri-state
      http://www.bjbsoftware.com/corners/pointdetail.php3?point=29
      Aug 03, 2001 @ 19:30 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
3426. Iowa - Minnesota - Wisconsin Tri-state
      http://www.bjbsoftware.com/corners/pointdetail.php3?point=31
      Aug 03, 2001 @ 19:31 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
3427. Wisconsin - West
      http://www.bjbsoftware.com/corners/pointdetail.php3?point=296
      Aug 03, 2001 @ 19:31 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
3428. Michigan - Minnesota - Ontario Tri-point
      http://www.bjbsoftware.com/corners/pointdetail.php3?point=148
      Aug 03, 2001 @ 19:32 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
3429. Minnesota - East
      http://www.bjbsoftware.com/corners/pointdetail.php3?point=337
      Aug 03, 2001 @ 19:32 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
3430. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Brownlie's African Boundaries
      A few things about German colonies - There was a third colony that was divided in two mandates. German East Africa was divided in British Tanganikya and
      Aug 03, 2001 @ 21:04 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@yahoo.com>)
3431. World survey of high seas enclaves
      I ve uploaded a Word doc to the files area, containing an update to my survey of high seas enclaves, based on my own computer machinations cross-checked with
      Aug 03, 2001 @ 21:36 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
3432. Six global views of Everyone's Land uploaded
      I ve uploaded six jpegs to the file area, each called Everyone s Land [something or other] . These are rendered hemispheric orthographic views of Everyone s
      Aug 03, 2001 @ 22:21 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
3433. Re: Six global views of Everyone's Land uploaded
      ... That s the *Antarctic* Treaty, of course! Grant
      Aug 03, 2001 @ 22:35 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
3434. Another boundary in the middle of the road
      Thinking about boundaries in the middle of the road… I could not help but think of this picture (from the book Freie Stadt zwischen Stacheldraht? , from
      Aug 04, 2001 @ 00:22 - Peter Smaardijk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Smaardijk?= <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
3435. Wisconsin - West (Fixed)
      The previously posted URL for the Wisconsin West page was bad. The correct link is: http://www.bjbsoftware.com/corners/pointdetail.php3?point=269
      Aug 04, 2001 @ 00:24 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
3436. Re: Brownlie's African Boundaries
      ... Yes, the third occurrence of this. Probably because Belgium was another country at war with Germany in WW1 and profited from it s defeat following
      Aug 04, 2001 @ 00:54 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3437. Re: Brownlie's African Boundaries
      For a map of Greater Kamerun (= old Kamerun and Neukamerun), see http://www.jadu.de/jaduland/kolonien/landkarten/pages/kamerun.html Peter S. ... to ...
      Aug 04, 2001 @ 01:01 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3438. Re: [BoundaryPoint] one last itch to scratch re atchde
      In the Germany-Switzerland description of Biger, p. 241: The boundary tripoint with Austria is located in the southeastern section of Lake Constance, 2 miles
      Aug 04, 2001 @ 02:06 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
3439. A reminder about basic email 'netiquette'
      When responding to an earlier message, *please* remember to trim your response so that it quotes *only* the relevant section(s) of the original message.
      Aug 04, 2001 @ 03:51 - Ross Finlayson (Ross Finlayson <finlayson@...>)
3440. Re: [BoundaryPoint] one last itch to scratch re atchde
      I have earlier posted several entries where Gideon is wrong. Check also out DELU, which I think is the longest condominium in the world. Gideon do not mention
      Aug 04, 2001 @ 07:12 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3441. gideons bible & atchde
      hey guys lets give gideon a break we knew hisbook was only an introductory encyclopedia when we named it a bible anyway & that was our own folly not gideons i
      Aug 04, 2001 @ 17:22 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
3442. everyones land now & forever
      grant you are a true patriot & a national treasurehouse from where the sun now stands everyones land is forever your country thanks you awesome job m Get your
      Aug 04, 2001 @ 17:28 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
3443. iamnwi tunnel
      you can save all that paddling by taking the tunnel under the railroad tracks from the house on the left bank just across from the big sign the owner will even
      Aug 04, 2001 @ 17:33 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
3444. re pan & ohn etc
      brian i think it is important to distinguish dry pan from absolute pan etc etc especially if we are interested in the absolute truth but many of your claims
      Aug 04, 2001 @ 17:44 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
3445. toward new unions
      thanx & kudos to randy finder for that extremely interesting & original & provocative assessment of canadian american combinativity m Get your FREE download of
      Aug 04, 2001 @ 18:00 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
3446. Re: [BoundaryPoint] gideons bible & atchde
      I would also like to see a map of the lake, especially before GCEBE which is 1 month away by now. I will see if I can bother the German/Swiss/Austrian
      Sep 13, 2001 @ 18:03 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3447. Re: [BoundaryPoint] toward new unions
      Glad to have you back Mike! (Where have you been?) For a second I thought it was you who crashed that airoplane in Cuba trying to find CUMXUS. Jesper ... From:
      Aug 04, 2001 @ 19:51 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3448. Re: A reminder about basic email 'netiquette'
      OK, whatever you say. BJB ... your ... original ... (unless it ... do this,
      Aug 04, 2001 @ 20:07 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
3449. Re: iamnwi tunnel
      Didn t see it even though we scouted the riverbank in that vicinity. The paddle was fun anyway. BJB
      Aug 04, 2001 @ 20:10 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
3450. Re: re pan & ohn etc
      I only count dry extemities. MBNTNUSK coming up. It s taking a while to organize the many photos. BJB
      Aug 04, 2001 @ 20:12 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
3451. [No Subject]
      Hello: Are there aby links to the detail of Guantanamo Bay- U.S. Naval Base & Cuba? It would be an interesting read indeed. I.M.N
      Aug 04, 2001 @ 21:11 - imnaanu@yahoo.com (imnaanu@...)
3452. Re: [BoundaryPoint] toward new unions
      Nah, that was just me, trying to find our buoy on Lake Okeechobee. Bill
      Aug 04, 2001 @ 21:32 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
3453. Re: Bodensee/Lake Constance - once more..
      Hello: Here s a link showing some pics from the Lake Comstance area... I.M.N
      Aug 04, 2001 @ 21:35 - imnaanu@yahoo.com (imnaanu@...)
3454. Re: Lake Constance
      Hello Jesper, Here s a link showing some pics from the Lake Constance area..I hope they are of some interest. Bye, I.M.N
      Aug 04, 2001 @ 21:38 - imnaanu@yahoo.com (imnaanu@...)
3455. Lake Constance
      With the discussion on what the status of the border/tripoint/condo situation is in Lake Constance we can now add a new wrinkle. Starting Aug. 15th the
      Aug 04, 2001 @ 21:48 - Andrew T. Patton ("Andrew T. Patton" <andrew@...>)
3456. Re: gideons bible & atchde
      ... See: http://www.ilec.or.jp/database/eur/eur33-02.gif Not 25m, but it gives an indication. Peter S.
      Aug 04, 2001 @ 22:22 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3457. An Enclave Anthem!
      Sing along with the Buesingen am Hochrhein anthem, at http://www.buesingen.de/index.html Peter S.
      Aug 04, 2001 @ 22:28 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3458. Re: gideons bible & atchde
      I really think there is no official atchde, but there might be an unofficial one, just for practical reasons. And practical reason no. 1 is of course that
      Aug 04, 2001 @ 23:09 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3459. Canadian Four Corners Page
      The whole story about MB-NT-NU-SK is at the following link: http://www.bjbsoftware.com/corners/pointdetail.php3?point=139 BJB
      Aug 04, 2001 @ 23:15 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
3460. Re: More lax than US-Canada?
      I ve been thinking about Dallen s description of the security measure along the US/Canada border. While these measures may be used in some locations I am
      Aug 04, 2001 @ 23:35 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
3461. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: More lax than US-Canada?
      Some interesting reading regarding all this at: http://www.usdoj.gov/oig/i200004/i200004.htm In which the following is stated: INS IS UNABLE TO ASSESS THE
      Aug 04, 2001 @ 23:52 - Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline ("Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline" <dmurray@...>)
3462. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Canadian Four Corners Page
      This is an outstanding piece of work. Congratulations Brian.
      Aug 05, 2001 @ 00:20 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
3463. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: gideons bible & atchde
      And here is a surface map showing the shoreline and the borders: http://wings.buffalo.edu/philosophy/faculty/smith/baarle/bodensee.gif David
      Aug 05, 2001 @ 02:26 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
3464. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: More lax than US-Canada?
      I agree with Brian that not all locations along the US-Canada border have laser sensors. What I meant was that they are located all along the border in as
      Aug 05, 2001 @ 02:38 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
3465. Lake Constance/Bodensee: one more article
      An arcticle that covers exactly the question we are considering can be read at: http://www.seespiegel.de/artikel/nummer07/9806_002.htm . It is on a site of the
      Aug 05, 2001 @ 12:23 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3466. Re: [BoundaryPoint] (unknown)
      http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6625/ ... From: imnaanu@yahoo.com To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 11:11 PM Subject:
      Aug 05, 2001 @ 18:02 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3467. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: gideons bible & atchde
      Thanks Peter I found Lake Chad as well, for those with interest, pity they dis not draw boundary lines. Jesper http://www.ilec.or.jp/database/afr/afr02-02.gif
      Aug 05, 2001 @ 18:12 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3468. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: gideons bible & atchde
      25 m deep is very near to shore at some places judging from that map. Jesper ... From: Peter Smaardijk To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August
      Aug 05, 2001 @ 18:38 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3469. Re: gideons bible & atchde
      Just subtract a couple of metres from that, and you get the puddle it is now... Peter S. ... not draw boundary lines. ... Service.
      Aug 05, 2001 @ 20:19 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3470. Re: gideons bible & atchde -> Lake Chad
      For boundary trouble following the drying up of Lake Chad, see: http://www.icj- cij.org/icjwww/idocket/icn/icnorders/icn_iapplication_940329_2.htm . PS: The
      Aug 05, 2001 @ 20:34 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3471. Re: quinti-point in FL
      Michael, Just wondering whether the 13 of rain just dumped on Martin County, FL raised the level of Lake Okeechobee enough to disturb the anchor on the
      Aug 05, 2001 @ 20:34 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
3473. Warning !!!!!!!!!!!!!Re: [BoundaryPoint] (unknown)
      Looks like Jack also got a virus!!!!!!!! Jesper
      Aug 05, 2001 @ 20:40 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3474. Warning
      Another virus? I think so!! Peter S.
      Aug 05, 2001 @ 20:46 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3475. Interesting maps
      Some interesting maps can be found at http://wuarchive.wustl.edu/~aminet/dirs/pix_map.html Have a look around! I found some nice ones. Peter S.
      Aug 05, 2001 @ 21:07 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3476. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: quinti-point in FL
      I don t think so, Jack. Despite all the rain we ve had in Florida, we re (unbelievably) still under official drought conditions due to the low level of the
      Aug 05, 2001 @ 21:26 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
3477. Enclaves and Exclaves being Created?
      Enclaves and Exclaves being Created? I found this interesting site on Palestine, not on maps but our group might be interested in studying the maps on the site
      Aug 05, 2001 @ 21:36 - Emil Boasson (Emil Boasson <eb3@...>)
3478. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Enclaves and Exclaves being Created?
      Bléss, Emil! Thanks for this information. The map is excellent. I have been looking for this kind of map for a long time! (My home page was updated today.)
      Aug 05, 2001 @ 21:55 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
3479. Re: Enclaves and Exclaves being Created?
      ... Nice map, thanks. With a bit of work, some imagination and my trusty Icelandic dictionary, I think I can translate the key as follows: Region A: Area under
      Aug 05, 2001 @ 23:21 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
3480. Re: toward new unions
      ... Thanx for the kudos (can t get your message included in the reply for some reason) Randy
      Aug 06, 2001 @ 02:23 - Randy Finder ("Randy Finder" <naraht@...>)
3481. borders in roads
      I promised to give the example of a point where the US-Canada border runs down the middle of the street, so I ve attached a quickly drawn map--sorry about the
      Aug 06, 2001 @ 05:50 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
3482. Re: [BoundaryPoint] borders in roads
      borders in roadsDear Dallen Thanks for the lesson. Are the local residents really following the rules when they must cross the road to see a neighbour, or do
      Aug 06, 2001 @ 06:07 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3483. Tiran Island
      A question to all of you: I ve tried to figure out the political status of Tiran Island in the Straits of Tiran. Some Internet sources say it s Egyptian, some
      Aug 06, 2001 @ 11:32 - rpalmber@abo.fi (rpalmber@...)
3484. Return leg of expedition
      Here are the points on the return leg of our pointing expedition: Montana - North Dakota - Saskatchewan Tri-point Manitoba - North Dakota - Saskatchewan
      Aug 06, 2001 @ 13:43 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
3485. All Together Now
      Here is a link to the entire list of points visited during the pointing expedition just complete by my brother Gregg and me.
      Aug 06, 2001 @ 14:18 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
3486. RE: [BoundaryPoint] borders in roads
      Hi Jesper, Yes, the border officials are still pretty strict with this regulation. Anyone who doesn t report and immigration/customs risks huge fines and/or
      Aug 06, 2001 @ 15:50 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
3487. US-Canada
      A few days ago in the discussion of the US-Canada border being guarded, someone mentioned farmers who own land on both sides of the US-Canada border. I
      Aug 06, 2001 @ 16:26 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
3488. Re: US-Canada
      And I ll bet the fines and taxes almost exactly equal the salaries of the bureaucrats that administer them. Don t get me started. BJB ... guarded, ... Canada
      Aug 06, 2001 @ 17:04 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
3489. Re: Tiran Island
      ... This is an interesting situation as the island belongs to Saudi Arabia but is leased by Egypt and the only people on the island are from the Multinational
      Aug 06, 2001 @ 17:22 - andrew@AndrewPatton.com (andrew@...)
3490. Re: borders in roads
      Sorry to keep questioning these statements, but the part about the fire department being unable to respond to a fire in the Haskell Library sounds like a
      Aug 06, 2001 @ 17:29 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
3491. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: borders in roads
      Same thing goes in Point Roberts, Washington, whose FD is augmented by that of Delta, BC. http://www.pointroberts.com/information.htm ... From:
      Aug 06, 2001 @ 17:39 - Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline ("Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline" <dmurray@...>)
3492. Re: Tiran Island
      ... I think the neighbouring island of Sinafir is included in the same story. Both Tiran and Sinafir were occupied by Egypt in 1950 (apparently with Saudi
      Aug 06, 2001 @ 17:59 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
3493. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: borders in roads
      Today, there is a great deal of cross-border cooperation in matters like fire fighting in North America on an international and interstate/interprovincial
      Aug 06, 2001 @ 18:01 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
3494. Re: Tiran Island
      ... of ... lease ... Both islands are leased but I do not have any details on the lease. Someone may want to contact the Saudis. They have a website at
      Aug 06, 2001 @ 18:27 - andrew@AndrewPatton.com (andrew@...)
3495. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: borders in roads
      I know that the towns of Calais, ME (where my father was born, incidentally) and St. Stephen, NB, have for years used mutual aid for fire protection. Bill
      Aug 06, 2001 @ 22:25 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
3496. Addition to Enclaves and Exclaves being Created?
      Grant Your knowledge of Icelandic is good but I would like to clarify a bit: Region A: Villages under under full Palestinian National Authority rule Region C:
      Aug 06, 2001 @ 23:09 - Emil Boasson (Emil Boasson <eb3@...>)
3497. RE: [BoundaryPoint] borders in roads
      In Baarle, the fire depts have overcome this bureaucratic ineptitude, and they even have developed a genderbender coupling so the two nation s fir hoases can
      Aug 07, 2001 @ 00:45 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
3498. Re: Addition to Enclaves and Exclaves being Created?
      ... bit: Ah, thank you. I thought it would be cheeky and lazy just to ask you for a translation. Now I have the best of both worlds - I ve shown willing *and*
      Aug 07, 2001 @ 01:01 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
3499. where i have been
      thank you jesper it is good to be back thanx to peter s too btw i think i am persuaded by you guys that there may well be no atchde tripoint after all gideon
      Aug 07, 2001 @ 01:54 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
3500. Re: [BoundaryPoint] borders in roads
      Where is this place? (At least, what province and state are involved? David
      Aug 07, 2001 @ 03:08 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
3501. RE: [BoundaryPoint] borders in roads
      Sorry about the lack of clarity with this community. It is in Vermont and Quebec. Dallen ... From: David Mark [mailto:dmark@geog.buffalo.edu] Sent: Monday,
      Aug 07, 2001 @ 03:36 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
3502. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Iron Curtain
      It s plenty of them at the Norwegian-Russian border (on both sides). I was serving up there in the military from 1985 until 1989. Also at the Lithuanian-Polish
      Aug 07, 2001 @ 08:03 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
3503. Hello. New member and llivia link
      Hello to everybody. I am new on this group. I’m not an expert, but I am interested in enclaves, anomalies in boundaries, etc. I live 80 km. from Llívia, and
      Aug 07, 2001 @ 10:10 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
3504. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Hello. New member and llivia link
      Dear Marcel - bienvenido en este grupo de locos de fronteras (right?) - welcome, it s so nice getting new members from new districts/countries...! I m sure
      Aug 07, 2001 @ 10:37 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
3505. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Hello. New member and llivia link
      Hello Marcel! Welcome to this group. Thank you very much for your posting and instruction how to search in the cartographic institute s archives. Most anxious
      Aug 07, 2001 @ 10:57 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
3506. Re: Tiran Island
      The notion that Tiran and Sanafir have been leased by Saudi Arabia to Egypt is news to me as well. I researched the question of ownership over these islands a
      Aug 07, 2001 @ 12:04 - Martin Pratt ("Martin Pratt" <m.a.pratt@...>)
3507. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: one last itch to scratch re atchde
      Michael, why do you consider that the likeliest probability ?? I think it is far more likely that Biger was not aware of the rather odd situation, and that he
      Aug 07, 2001 @ 13:45 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
3508. Irish Quaternary Studies Online - IRQUAS
      
      Aug 07, 2001 @ 14:50 - maqqi@supanet.com (maqqi@...)
3509. Re: where i have been
      As for MNNDSD, we used the current topo map and GPS to navigate to the supposed tri-point. This was about 135 feet east of the witness monument. At that
      Aug 07, 2001 @ 15:13 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
3510. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: DELU condo origins (fwd)
      As I posted earlier, I think the sentence means just what it says, that germany does not have a clear and unambiguous position on sovereignty within Lake
      Aug 07, 2001 @ 18:51 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
3511. Re: [BoundaryPoint] borders in roads
      borders in roadsCanusa Avenue http://www.scottreid.com/rock.htm
      Aug 07, 2001 @ 20:19 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3512. RE: [BoundaryPoint] A reminder about basic email 'netiquette'
      andspeakingofemailnetiquetteithoughtthismightbeagoodoccasiontoaskthosebounda rypointcontributorswhoseemtocherishthethrillofwritingwithneitherpunctuationo
      Aug 07, 2001 @ 21:01 - Shandelman, Todd ("Shandelman, Todd" <todd.shandelman@...>)
3513. Valga/Valka, Narva/Ivangorod
      Two pictures (plus one made in Goerlitz (D), but not of the border), at http://www.uni- tuebingen.de/uni/egi/prof/oeuropa/project/grenzstadt.html . My question
      Aug 07, 2001 @ 21:03 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3514. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Hello. New member and llivia link
      ... It’s right, but my own language is the catalan, so it would be “benvingut a aquest grup de bojos de fronteres” Thank you! ... tripoints with Andorra?
      Aug 07, 2001 @ 21:29 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
3515. Re: A reminder about basic email 'netiquette'
      Probably why the ancient Greeks went out of business. BJB ... andspeakingofemailnetiquetteithoughtthismightbeagoodoccasiontoaskthose bounda ...
      Aug 07, 2001 @ 21:44 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
3516. Speaking (of) Catalan...
      Hi Marcel (and welcome of course), It is not the first time that language boundaries have been discussed here (although it is a while ago), but I am wondering
      Aug 07, 2001 @ 21:45 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3517. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Hello. New member and llivia link
      What a relief, the tripoints of Andorarra yet to be visited by us, boundary-freaks. I ll be heading for the Andorran pyrennees next saturday, continuing my
      Aug 07, 2001 @ 21:52 - Eef Berns ("Eef Berns" <eefberns@...>)
3518. Re: Speaking (of) Catalan...
      Oops, I forgot the Balearic Is. ! Sorry to all you islanders! Peter S. ... discussed ... help ... with ... the ... about. ... Can ... legally
      Aug 07, 2001 @ 21:59 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3519. yoicks its multi country ho
      go eef go eef when you return i would like to make a list of all the tri country points we have all actually visited david about atchde i believed it when i
      Aug 08, 2001 @ 05:49 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
3520. Re: A reminder about basic email 'netiquette'
      ... andspeakingofemailnetiquetteithoughtthismightbeagoodoccasiontoaskthose bounda ... rypointcontributorswhoseemtocherishthethrillofwritingwithneitherpunctu
      Aug 08, 2001 @ 00:23 - andrew@AndrewPatton.com (andrew@...)
3521. Introduction of a different new member
      As someone else introduced themselves, I thought I should also. My name is Andrew Patton and I live near Washington DC. I work for a consulting firm as a
      Aug 08, 2001 @ 00:50 - Andrew T. Patton ("Andrew T. Patton" <andrew@...>)
3522. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: A reminder about basic email 'netiquette'
      I d also like to point out for the benefit of our newer members that our resident e.e. cummings is also a founder of this group and a prolific contributor to
      Aug 08, 2001 @ 00:59 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
3523. Re: [BoundaryPoint] yoicks its multi country ho
      ... I just sent him an email. I ll forward any reply to the list. David
      Aug 08, 2001 @ 01:58 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
3524. adesfrw
      http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~mkic6266/espanol/skript/fotka.cgi?187 (the big pointy thing just right of the centre of this picture?) Peter S.
      Aug 08, 2001 @ 08:50 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3525. Re: [BoundaryPoint] adesfrw
      Isn t that his hat/cap? Jesper
      Aug 08, 2001 @ 08:58 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3526. Re: adesfrw
      Your direction is right. Now adjust the range, and you ll be right on target. Peter S.
      Aug 08, 2001 @ 09:27 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3527. Re: Speaking (of) Catalan...
      You re right. This zone of murcia is named El Carxe ( El Carche, in spanish ). There are 2000 inhab. apr. The catalan is not protected there. I ve attached a
      Aug 08, 2001 @ 10:50 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@navegalia.com>)
3528. adesfre and andorra borders webcams
      See in the link below the monolith installed on June, 16 2001 in the east tripoint ( adesfre , right? ), commemorating an european meeting who joined
      Aug 08, 2001 @ 11:13 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
3529. Re: [BoundaryPoint] adesfre and andorra borders webcams
      Dear Marcel Welcome to the group. Thanks for all the contributions so far. It s been very interesting. Do the actual borders show on the webcams? Jesper ...
      Aug 08, 2001 @ 17:20 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3530. Highest mountain of the Basque country
      ... and a tripoint if the Basque country ever becomes independent. It is the Hiru Erregeen Mahaia (in French: Table des Trois Rois, in Spanish: Mesa de los
      Aug 08, 2001 @ 21:37 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3531. Buildings on the border
      Another building on the border I just found out about. The fireplace of the farm Het Groot Moerhof , nowadays a tearoom, is right on the befr border. The
      Aug 08, 2001 @ 22:15 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3532. Exclaves
      I am looking for information regarding two Azerbaijani exclaves in northern Armenia called Yukhari Askipara and Barkhudarly (or Azatamut or maybe even
      Aug 09, 2001 @ 11:11 - Stefan X ("Stefan X" <pho_tek@...>)
3533. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Exclaves
      Hello Photek, I do not have much more information, but you will find maps on my homepage. If you will find out more about them, I would appreciate if you could
      Aug 09, 2001 @ 11:40 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
3534. Re: Exclaves
      Thanks, your website is the only available information on the internet. Maybe some members of this website know more. Thanks again
      Aug 09, 2001 @ 11:55 - Stefan X ("Stefan X" <pho_tek@...>)
3535. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Exclaves
      Stefan, Try Brady Kiesling s book Rediscovering Armenia at http://www.arminco.com/embusa/brady.htm It has maps as well. Rolf
      Aug 09, 2001 @ 11:57 - rpalmber@abo.fi (rpalmber@...)
3536. Re: Exclaves
      ... Azatamut ... find ... The Azerbaijani names of these enclaves involve special Azeri characters. They are spelt: Barxudarl[dotless i] Yuxar[dotless i]
      Aug 09, 2001 @ 18:57 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
3537. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Really Abitrary Points
      i found an article in my personal archives that would be of interest. i don t have a scanner available so below is the transcribed script. the article appeared
      Aug 09, 2001 @ 22:23 - Beckett, Bob ("Beckett, Bob" <Bob.Beckett@...>)
3538. Re: Really Abitrary Points
      ... 2001. Yeah, what was all that about? Those purists were never that pure if you ask me. We all know the argument - there was no year zero, so the start of
      Aug 09, 2001 @ 23:12 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
3539. Re: Interesting maps
      THE LINK DOES NOT WORK, I THINK. THE PAGE DOES NOT LOAD.
      Aug 09, 2001 @ 23:25 - imnaanu@yahoo.com (imnaanu@...)
3540. Re: Really Abitrary Points
      I happen to like the millenium to begin in 2000, but there is also the liguistic element to this argument. AD (anno domini) is, I think, a possesive (the
      Aug 10, 2001 @ 00:47 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
3541. Fwd: testing &hotdang another multimessage
      ... Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
      Aug 10, 2001 @ 08:00 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
3542. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Exclaves
      The russian 200k maps I have seen give the names (transliterated by me) as, north to south, Ukhary-Askipara, Barkhudarly, Bashkend and Kiarky. BW ...
      Aug 10, 2001 @ 01:08 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
3543. DeLu condo
      Treaty of vienna, 1815. Article XXV Prussian possessions on the left bank of the rhine First paragrph: The frontier shall commence at Bingen ... yadda yadda
      Aug 10, 2001 @ 05:18 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
3544. Borderland
      Hi everyone. Inspired by all the lovely border photos I ve seen displayed by members of this group I decided to try a version of my own. Borderland (at
      Aug 10, 2001 @ 06:02 - Rolf Palmberg LI ("Rolf Palmberg LI" <rpalmber@...>)
3545. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Borderland
      Nice photos Rolf, thanks. I ve added the link to the BP Bookmarks section. Bill
      Aug 10, 2001 @ 11:59 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
3546. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Borderland
      Hei Rolf! Flotte bilder du har lagt ut! Du har virkelig vært ute og reist! Har du talt antall land du har besøkt? Mvh Jan Hei Rolf! Flotte bilder du har lagt
      Aug 10, 2001 @ 13:57 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
3547. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Borderland
      sorry... my last message in Norwegian was intended for Rolf only. I told him how much I appreciated his new page. Jan
      Aug 10, 2001 @ 14:05 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
3548. dkvnmx
      Today I visted dkvnmx!!! Does it count? Jesper
      Aug 10, 2001 @ 15:26 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3549. MNNDSD
      I obtained the position of the tri-point depicted on the USGS topo map using Topozone, positioning the cross-hairs over the junction and reading the UTM grid
      Aug 10, 2001 @ 15:29 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
3550. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Borderland
      On my way home from work today I suddenly realised why the name Borderland rang a bell - it s the very name Harry s got for his border pictures. So, the URL
      Aug 10, 2001 @ 16:00 - Rolf Palmberg LI ("Rolf Palmberg LI" <rpalmber@...>)
3551. Re: Fwd: testing &hotdang another multimessage
      Michael: Nope, your messages still don t copy into the reply field automatically. But I have cut-and-pasted to good effect. ... I feel there s a contrast here
      Aug 10, 2001 @ 16:39 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
3552. Re: Really Abitrary Points
      ... is ... Sure - that s a perfectly good reason to celebrate a new millennium at the start of 2001. It s a logical interpretation of AD numbering. But a
      Aug 10, 2001 @ 17:19 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
3553. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Really Abitrary Points
      I have never understood this fascination about the year 0. That is illogical thinking. Look at your Thermometer. Yes there is a 0 where - and + meet. 0 is
      Aug 10, 2001 @ 17:43 - Emil Boasson (Emil Boasson <eb3@...>)
3554. Re: Borderland
      So noted, Rolf. Also, I think I too need to apologise to Harry - for some reason, I didn t have Harry s site listed in BP s Bookmark s section. I ve
      Aug 10, 2001 @ 18:27 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
3555. mnndsd & dkvnmx
      ok jesper whats dkvnmx & brian we are evidently working on different scales also i have found quite a bit of distortion by topozone from the scale of the
      Aug 11, 2001 @ 01:48 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
3556. Re: [BoundaryPoint] mnndsd & dkvnmx
      ok jesper whats dkvnmx
      Aug 10, 2001 @ 19:02 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3557. Re: [BoundaryPoint] mnndsd & dkvnmx
      dkvnmx= Denmark/Vietnam/Mexico Jesper
      Aug 10, 2001 @ 19:03 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3558. Re: Really Abitrary Points
      Just getting ready for Y3K. BJB ... numbering. ... Year ... years ... wasn t.
      Aug 10, 2001 @ 20:48 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
3559. Re: mnndsd
      The inherent 18 meter error in GPS could account for most of it, but I think printing and measuring are the real culprits. I don t dispute at all the 80 foot
      Aug 10, 2001 @ 20:56 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
3560. Re: mnndsd & dkvnmx
      Sorry, Jesper. Only Arne Saknussen has been to that one. BJB
      Aug 10, 2001 @ 20:58 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
3561. oops
      grant thank you once again for the enormous effort involved in giving us the first & truest available impression of everyones land your cartography is so
      Aug 10, 2001 @ 23:54 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
3562. Re: oops
      ... Ummmmm... Sorry... I ve no idea why you re sorry. Did I sound vexed? (What s the written equivalent of sound ?) Typical bloody text communication - I seem
      Aug 11, 2001 @ 00:22 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
3563. Re: Really Abitrary Points
      ... You, me, Arne Saknussen and a bottle of fine single malt (Scottish of course) at dkvnmx - date? Grant PS: 3000 or 3001?
      Aug 11, 2001 @ 00:29 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
3564. Re: oops
      Grant, I m not ticked off in the least. I m not even sure what topic I would be ticked off about. Maybe you have a guilty conscience. Or, wait a minute,
      Aug 11, 2001 @ 01:46 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
3565. Re: Really Abitrary Points
      Thousand year old scotch? You re on. BJB ... of
      Aug 11, 2001 @ 01:50 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
3566. MNNDSD/Topozone Followup
      Mike, I should have mentioned that I have had a few problems of my own with Topozone. In particular, relying on their map of the DEMDPA area put me in a
      Aug 11, 2001 @ 02:01 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
3567. Record Charter Expenses
      We did break the record for charter expenses - $US680 for two people round trip from Points North Landing to Hasbala Lake. I believe we paid nearly the entire
      Aug 11, 2001 @ 02:16 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
3568. Re: [BoundaryPoint] MNNDSD/Topozone Followup
      And I ve been using Topozone lately for work...good grief. Bill
      Aug 11, 2001 @ 02:17 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
3569. border through hotel
      Dear fellow boundary freaks, borders dividing houses, restaurants and hotels are something special - that s why I enjoyed Peter S. link to the house
      Aug 11, 2001 @ 09:32 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
3570. * * * DANGEROUS HOAX EMAIL * * *
      * * * DANGEROUS HOAX EMAIL * * * If you get the following email message or anything SIMILAR to it, please forward the message and headers to abuse@yahoo.com .
      Aug 11, 2001 @ 10:12 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
3571. Re: MNNDSD/Topozone Followup
      Then you might need this link: http://www.hotjobs.com BJB ... DEMDPA ... my ... they ... I ll ... the ...
      Aug 11, 2001 @ 13:53 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
3572. Re: Speaking (of) Catalan...
      Thanks for the clarification and especially for the map! Near El Carxe, there is a Castilian language exclave (Montfort), something which is new to me.
      Aug 11, 2001 @ 17:31 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3573. testing yet another multisovereign message
      jesper come on whats dkvnmx was that the whole joke grant i am never sorry in reality nor do i believe are any of us which is why i told that joke but the
      Aug 11, 2001 @ 19:02 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3574. Re: [BoundaryPoint] testing yet another multisovereign message
      dkmxvn IS Denmark-Mexico-Vietnam, but, but I know we don t count embassies. If I knew I would have passed the spot I would have brought my digital camera to
      Aug 11, 2001 @ 19:14 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3575. testing again no new text pardon me
      ... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
      Aug 11, 2001 @ 19:17 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3578. Re: oops
      ... Two nations divided by a single language! British usage, as in I ticked him off implies I have stood over you and wagged a finger and told you you re a
      Aug 11, 2001 @ 21:45 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
3579. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: MNNDSD/Topozone Followup
      Heh heh...I just might Brian, thanks...! Bill
      Aug 11, 2001 @ 23:55 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
3580. Re: [BoundaryPoint] testing yet another multisovereign message
      ... As they say, Tally ho! ... Congratulations Mike, you may be back in business. Bill
      Aug 12, 2001 @ 00:08 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
3581. Re: In the vicinity of Steinstuecken
      ... A ... built ... attention ... at ... was ... I can explain what that E bus was since I used it once. It was a shuttle bus to take people across the
      Aug 12, 2001 @ 03:17 - johnkelly@astralvoyager.com (johnkelly@...)
3582. Re: In the vicinity of Steinstuecken
      ... A ... built ... attention ... at ... was
      Aug 12, 2001 @ 03:18 - johnkelly@astralvoyager.com (johnkelly@...)
3583. Re: Speaking (of) Catalan...
      Yes, there is an enclave, but it s not a true enclave : you must not forget that all the catalan language area is a bilingual area. The catalan is a
      Aug 12, 2001 @ 09:07 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
3584. Île de la Conference
      Some time ago this group discussed about the Ile de la Conference. I ve found this engraving where the conference s buildings of 1659 are shown. On the bottom,
      Aug 12, 2001 @ 09:15 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@navegalia.com>)
3585. Re: [BoundaryPoint] adesfre and andorra borders webcams
      Yes. The ad/sp one s shows the most of time the spanish road in the the border line ( the camera is for traffic purposes and the many problems cames from this
      Aug 12, 2001 @ 10:51 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
3586. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
      Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File : /fish.jpg
      Aug 12, 2001 @ 19:34 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com ( <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>)
3587. More lox than US-Canada?
      See self explanatory photo: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/files/fish.jpg
      Aug 12, 2001 @ 19:41 - oldgregg@hotmail.com (oldgregg@...)
3588. jungholz
      Hertslet, Map of Europe by Treaty , 1875, 3vols, Butterworths, London. In volume 2, Treaty 197 (pp1034-5) is a Treaty Between Austria and Bavaria respecting
      Aug 13, 2001 @ 02:33 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
3589. Anniversary?
      Today is the 40th anniversary of the start of the building of the Berlin Wall.
      Aug 13, 2001 @ 15:34 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <blofeld_es@...>)
3590. Re: [BoundaryPoint] jungholz
      On the subject of Jungholz, check out the two topographic sites http://194.245.102.97:8080/ and http://www.austrianmap.at/ for maps of the area. I am adding a
      Aug 13, 2001 @ 16:23 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@yahoo.com>)
3591. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: borders in roads
      same in hogansburg, ny, where a sign on the fire station proudly declares serving two nations http://www.havfdept.org/ bob beckett
      Aug 13, 2001 @ 19:32 - Beckett, Bob ("Beckett, Bob" <Bob.Beckett@...>)
3592. MNNDSD Carefully
      Today I made some high-resolution scans of the Boisberg, MN topo map and scale so I could accurately measure the relationships between the witness monument and
      Aug 13, 2001 @ 20:22 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
3593. we are probably a round 88 now
      ahhhhh good morning this is heaven resuming normal functions at the multi culmination of my cosmically inforced sabbatical i can again view the membership
      Aug 13, 2001 @ 20:43 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3594. re field report from heaven
      hey how did he do that m _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at
      Aug 13, 2001 @ 20:44 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3595. everyonese territorial ambitions
      grant do you imagine professor prescott would be glad to learn about your newfound eez hole off new guinea i know i certainly was pleased to see our original
      Aug 13, 2001 @ 20:52 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3596. on a digital index from 1 to 10
      brian was the finger you scratched your ass with near mdp the same index you use for pointing to the corners at the corner corner m
      Aug 13, 2001 @ 21:12 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3597. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: borders in roads
      bob how do they figure this i counted 3 nations there did they forget canada or akwesasne m ...
      Aug 13, 2001 @ 21:16 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3598. Re: everyonese territorial ambitions
      ... newfound ... New to me only, I m afraid. It s one that s described in some detail by Prescott. ... course ... If can now download my high seas enclave
      Aug 13, 2001 @ 21:37 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
3599. Re: [BoundaryPoint] we are probably a round 88 now
      Michael - welcome back...everything is now as it should be! Bill
      Aug 13, 2001 @ 21:36 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
3600. Re: on a digital index from 1 to 10
      Actually, the Corner Corner uses both the left index and the right index, a practice for which *S and *W points might be considered unclean. BJB ... you use
      Aug 13, 2001 @ 22:03 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
3601. Fwd: MNNDSD Documentation Circa 1999
      brian i believe i have already reported everything i can recall on this topic & i dont have my mnndsd data with me here anyway but i take this to be
      Aug 13, 2001 @ 22:16 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
3602. Re: on a digital index from 1 to 10
      Sometimes it s even been known to use the middle index. Bill
      Aug 14, 2001 @ 01:52 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
3603. Canada-USA boundary news
      Last night Channel 4 news in the UK ran an interesting story about a hole in the Canada-USA boundary - the Mohawk territory of Akwesasne, which has become a
      Aug 14, 2001 @ 08:12 - Martin Pratt ("Martin Pratt" <m.a.pratt@...>)
3604. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: borders in roads
      m- i drove past the hoganburg s fire department years ago (1979 to be exact) and remember its slogan with two flags: one from usa and one from canada. so, they
      Aug 14, 2001 @ 12:18 - Beckett, Bob ("Beckett, Bob" <Bob.Beckett@...>)
3605. Mike's Pre-BP Missives 1-50 of 400
      ... h ttp://www.lib.virginia.edu/gic/ftp/gic/states/massachusetts/dlg/ma_outline.gif &
      Aug 14, 2001 @ 13:03 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com>)
3606. Mike's Pre-BP Missives 51-100 of 400
      ... maybe more economical of your discount credits if you prove to have any but if not buying a delorme state atlas would be more economical & probably better
      Aug 14, 2001 @ 13:05 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com>)
3607. Mike's Pre-BP Missives 101-150 of 400
      natchez trace an almstn tri state parkway pickwick landing dam & state park in tn for whatever information may be found there about the tri point prior to
      Aug 14, 2001 @ 13:08 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com>)
3608. Mike's Pre-BP Missives 151-200 of 400
      ... thanx i am very pleased by this kind of stuff too ... absolutely tho it seems the dry one is fast becoming or is already fip ... dont mention it but i will
      Aug 14, 2001 @ 13:09 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com>)
3609. Mike's Pre-BP Missives 201-250 of 400
      hahahaha & you are generally so positive this must rank as the foremost if not also the final one of the many ironies so perhaps you really should endeavor
      Aug 14, 2001 @ 13:10 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com>)
3610. Mike's Pre-BP Missives 251-300 of 400
      thanx for helping i can cut & paste in eudora & claris but dont know how to interface them with my explorer it doesnt greatly matter tho since i am getting
      Aug 14, 2001 @ 13:11 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com>)
3611. Mike's Pre-BP Missives 301-350 of 400
      i have begun hanging map & pix at cte etc in anticipation of a report the title of the report intended only for posting at cte is cte etc just as is shown in
      Aug 14, 2001 @ 13:12 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com>)
3612. Mike's Pre-BP Missives 351-400 of 400
      gratified & even flattered m ... you are welcome do you think it may be of any use for the treasure hunt m ps hey how come coords but no flag for the men i
      Aug 14, 2001 @ 13:13 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com>)
3613. Mike's Pre-BP Missives Summary
      I probably should have called these Brian s & Mike s Pre-BP dialog , which started in 1997. I no longer have the earliest messages. Maybe I will find them on
      Aug 14, 2001 @ 13:17 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
3614. Famous Confluence Busters
      The Confluence Project, where people try to navigate by GPS to 1-degree intersections of latitude and longitude, has posted our recent visit to Canadian Four
      Aug 14, 2001 @ 13:37 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
3615. Re: Famous Confluence Busters
      ... We have a similar group in the UK. The UK National Grid system consists of 100km squares, within which coordinates are defined by easting and northing
      Aug 14, 2001 @ 15:42 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
3616. Re: Famous Confluence Busters
      ... degree ... consists of 100km squares, within which coordinates are defined by easting and northing figures... There is also the UTM (Universal
      Aug 14, 2001 @ 16:07 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
3617. Lake Constanz
      I have received more news on Lake Constanz and some surprising news on the river Rhine from Switzerland: You are right: Germany, Austria and Switzerland did
      Aug 14, 2001 @ 19:02 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3618. Between Friends
      Do you have more details about Between Frinds? I am trying to track it down! Jesper ... From: Beckett, Bob To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday,
      Aug 14, 2001 @ 19:26 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3619. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Lake Constanz
      double bulls eyes jesper m ... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at
      Aug 14, 2001 @ 19:59 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3620. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Famous Confluence Busters
      also if you are searching with common gps for an unmarked point or object guess what you would most likely lose a rubber on the pitchers mound m ...
      Aug 14, 2001 @ 20:06 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3621. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Between Friends
      the book was a gift from the canadian people to the american people. it was published in just the year 1976 to commemorate the usa bicentennial. it was on my
      Aug 14, 2001 @ 20:50 - Beckett, Bob ("Beckett, Bob" <Bob.Beckett@...>)
3622. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Between Friends
      Just found it on the Royal Danish Library and put in a borrowing request. Jesper ... From: Beckett, Bob To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday,
      Aug 14, 2001 @ 21:02 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3623. helpful hint
      tips on speed reading barbarian & other gibberish but first a dedication to the butlers brian gregg & heavyweight lionel with sincere thanx for that
      Aug 14, 2001 @ 22:11 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3624. chde rhine holes
      how would anyone suggest proceeding with follow up on jespers new discovery of probable discontinuities in the chde line along the rhine like where & why
      Aug 14, 2001 @ 22:18 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3625. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Between Friends
      ... Exactly right, Bob...that s how I got my copy. I m still enjoying it. Bill
      Aug 14, 2001 @ 22:25 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
3626. Info on VADCMDS Border Stone
      From Monday s Washington Post Ruth Lincoln Kaye [letters, July 28] raised concerns about the District boundary stone in Alexandria s Jones Point Park. The
      Aug 15, 2001 @ 00:25 - Andrew T. Patton ("Andrew T. Patton" <andrew@...>)
3627. Camp David
      While not a border point or a real enclave (it could be a juristicinal enclave), Camp David is an intresting place. While it exists, it is on no map that I
      Aug 15, 2001 @ 18:37 - andrew@AndrewPatton.com (andrew@...)
3628. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Info on VADCMDS Border Stone
      andrew nice stuff on camp david & especially the dc initial stone owing to a few historic quirks the dcmdvas trifederative point is no longer coincident with
      Aug 15, 2001 @ 19:33 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3629. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Camp David
      I ve also wondered about Camp David s depiction on maps for quite awhile...thanks Andrew. Also, I believe it s depicted on the Washington area VFR sectional
      Aug 15, 2001 @ 20:34 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
3630. clavoscopy of everyones land advances
      well grant what could be finer & truer than a golf course on the boundary point of having 18 &or 19 cups now that takes care very roughly speaking of our
      Aug 15, 2001 @ 21:21 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3631. Re: helpful hint
      Alternatively there is capitalization and punctuation. BJB ... calls you ... you ... it has ... right by ... reading it as ... were right ...
      Aug 15, 2001 @ 21:26 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
3632. Re: clavoscopy of everyones land advances
      ... course or ... You ll remember we got into an unresolved debate about the precise maritime claims of the French in the Southern and Antarctic Lands. For the
      Aug 15, 2001 @ 22:07 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
3633. bedelu1
      At long last… some pictures I made last spring, which I have been promising you for a while. It is going to come in batches, though. First bedelu from all
      Aug 15, 2001 @ 22:16 - Peter Smaardijk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Smaardijk?= <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
3634. bedelu2
      Bedelu continued: 4. From France, looking towards the north (dry condo is left, a bit further down). This is the lock entrance 5. From Luxembourg, boundary
      Aug 15, 2001 @ 22:24 - Peter Smaardijk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Smaardijk?= <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
3635. I meant defrlu of course...
      These names are not just names, they actually mean something.. Peter S.
      Aug 15, 2001 @ 22:33 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3636. [No Subject]
      This is frne: 1. and 2. The Alte Lauter or Vieux Lauter, where it reaches the Rhine, in the background (frne is in the Rhine) 3. The mark on the bridge over
      Aug 15, 2001 @ 22:46 - Peter Smaardijk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Smaardijk?= <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
3637. Another erratum
      It is just not my day today. The last message was about frne (France-northeast). The Alte Lauter is called in French Vieille Lauter (not Vieux, as this is a
      Aug 15, 2001 @ 23:24 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3638. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Camp David
      See MArk Monomnier s How to lie witrh maps , Uni Chicago, pp119-20 where it discusses the depiction of Camp David on maps. Theroad around camp threee is the
      Aug 16, 2001 @ 00:01 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
3639. Berlin Wall: Now and then
      Some great before and after pictures can be found in the Aug 9, 2001 issue of the German news magazine Stern. I was able to find the issue easily in Vancouver.
      Aug 16, 2001 @ 02:46 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
3640. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: clavoscopy of everyones land advances
      Grant, Thanks for the list. But what about Peter I Isl. (Norway)? Jan
      Aug 16, 2001 @ 08:17 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
3641. RE: [BoundaryPoint] (unknown)
      Peter, Thanks for nice pictures and information. Excuse my maybe stupid question, but where is the bedelu?!? Jan
      Aug 16, 2001 @ 08:28 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
3642. MTX worm-virus info (a/k/a "W95/MTX@m")
      The following link discusses the variants of the MTX worm-virus ( W95/MTX@m ) which has affected several BP members recently:
      Aug 16, 2001 @ 12:12 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
3643. Re: (unknown) -> defrlu
      It is defrlu, not bedelu (my mistake). To know where these boundaries are located, you can look at
      Aug 16, 2001 @ 16:50 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3644. Re: clavoscopy of everyones land advances
      Just remember that Norway may claim Peter I Isl. as a biland (+/- possession), but that it is well inside the Antarctic Treaty area, and therefore no
      Aug 16, 2001 @ 17:06 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3645. Re: clavoscopy of everyones land advances
      ... Peter I Island lies south of 60S, and so comes under the terms of the Antarctic Treaty: we re therefore thinking of it as part of Everyone s Land. If we
      Aug 16, 2001 @ 17:14 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
3646. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: clavoscopy of everyones land advances
      Thanks Grant and Peter for clearing this up! Regards, Jan
      Aug 16, 2001 @ 17:28 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
3647. Permission to Photograph Boundary
      Hello! As a newcomer I would like to ask you fellows if you have experience with requirements from border authorities concerning permissions for photographing
      Aug 16, 2001 @ 17:34 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
3648. Re: Permission to Photograph Boundary
      Tell them you are only photographing the BY and LV sides of the boundary and/or bring bribe money. BJB ... experience with ... authorisation ... police ...
      Aug 16, 2001 @ 20:27 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
3649. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Permission to Photograph Boundary
      Ok, BJB! I will try if I need. First I will do a straight try. I have so far some very strange experience with the Lithuanian Foreign Ministry regarding
      Aug 16, 2001 @ 20:38 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
3650. Kerguelen and McDonald/Heard _do_ border, EEZ-wise!
      According to: http://www.pata-albatros.com/telex/telex3.htm Cf.: ...dans les cinquantièmes hurlants, la France possède une frontière commune avec
      Aug 16, 2001 @ 21:01 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3651. Re: Kerguelen and McDonald/Heard _do_ border, EEZ-wise!
      See this neat map: http://www.ea.gov.au/coasts/mpa/heard/images/himi_layout4.gif Peter S.
      Aug 16, 2001 @ 21:11 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3652. Re: Kerguelen and McDonald/Heard _do_ border, EEZ-wise!
      And this aufr EEZ boundary has been defined since 1983, acc. to http://www.ea.gov.au/coasts/mpa/heard/notice.html : The EEZ is the Exclusive Economic Zone
      Aug 16, 2001 @ 21:15 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3653. Something else on EEZ etc.
      http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/rp/1998-99/99rp06-2.gif which is from http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/rp/1998-99/99rp06.htm On Antarctica:
      Aug 16, 2001 @ 21:51 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3654. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Borderland
      Just came back from holliday, so a late response. No need for apologies Rolf and Bill!! I admit, BorderLand is a very nice title for a border-related website.
      Aug 16, 2001 @ 21:57 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
3655. Re: Kerguelen and McDonald/Heard _do_ border, EEZ-wise!
      ... Maybe we re at cross purposes, here, but I don t think I ve claimed otherwise. I listed them as a single EEZ island ... quote: 4. Heard & McDonald
      Aug 16, 2001 @ 23:11 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
3656. Re: Permission to Photograph Boundary
      ... The ... as well ... secret... Jan, tell him you hope it s not a secret to the neighboring state! Bill
      Aug 17, 2001 @ 01:21 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
3657. Re: Permission to Photograph Boundary
      ... asked as a ... turn the ... No problem here Jan...I wish we could issue you an official BP badge ! That should impress them ...! ;-) Anyway, it s not
      Aug 17, 2001 @ 01:25 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
3658. Lake Constance
      Here are some more news from the Swiss authorities on Lake Constance and the Rhine. You are right: to fix the border at 25 meters of depth was only
      Aug 17, 2001 @ 04:04 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3659. Re: Permission to Photograph Boundary
      I have a badge laminator if that s of any help. It has actually been quite handy at times! BJB
      Aug 17, 2001 @ 12:34 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
3660. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Permission to Photograph Boundary
      I have got permission (without any bribes ;-) to photograph all Lithuanian boundaries as first foreign guest by the STATE BORDER GUARD SERVICE at the ministry
      Aug 17, 2001 @ 17:37 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@yahoo.no>)
3661. Re: Kerguelen and McDonald/Heard _do_ border, EEZ-wise!
      You are absolutely right, and I apologise right away. I think it is just that I am so focussed on Kerguelen, as I find it one of the most fascinating places on
      Aug 17, 2001 @ 21:21 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3662. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Famous Confluence Busters
      ... Here are some pseudo-real confluence points: N52/E8: http://www.confluence.org/de/all/n52e008v2/pic1.jpg the same from the other site:
      Aug 17, 2001 @ 21:51 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
3663. Re: Kerguelen and McDonald/Heard _do_ border, EEZ-wise!
      ... to ... A couple of these continental shelf boundaries show up on the map at www.maritimeboundaries.com. The old 1867 treaty line between Russia and the USA
      Aug 17, 2001 @ 22:24 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
3664. Re: Kerguelen and McDonald/Heard _do_ border, EEZ-wise!
      ... Russia, ... allows ... Yes, the Dutch are part of this as well. As a matter of fact, we started industry at Spitsbergen, in the early 17th century
      Aug 17, 2001 @ 22:38 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3665. Re: Famous Confluence Busters
      These are very nice markers and well worth visiting. But please note that the Confluence Project does not consider this the junction. The visitors had to go
      Aug 17, 2001 @ 23:22 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
3666. Maienbühl
      Does someone know the history behind the Swiss salient by the name of Maienbühl, N.E. of Basle? It is a very narrow, but quite long piece of land, that pokes
      Aug 18, 2001 @ 00:17 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3667. Re: Kerguelen and McDonald/Heard _do_ border, EEZ-wise!
      ... I ve been there! The bases of the old vats used to render the whale oil are still visible. (In fact, I travelled with a Dutch company called Plancius,
      Aug 18, 2001 @ 00:51 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
3668. Lunch
      Ah... I spent my lunch yesterday reading Tourism and Political Boundaries by Dallen Timothy. Jesper
      Aug 18, 2001 @ 15:08 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3669. testing no text please skip
      no text _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
      Aug 18, 2001 @ 17:28 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3670. National Post Story
      Dear BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Your friend dmurray@stockphotosonline.com thought you might be interested in this National Post story: Border debate
      Aug 18, 2001 @ 17:33 - dmurray@stockphotosonline.com (<dmurray@...>)
3671. National Post Story
      Dear BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Your friend dmurray@stockphotosonline.com thought you might be interested in this National Post story: Erasing the frontier
      Aug 18, 2001 @ 17:34 - dmurray@stockphotosonline.com (<dmurray@...>)
3672. National Post Story
      Dear BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Your friend dmurray@stockphotosonline.com thought you might be interested in this National Post story: Border question
      Aug 18, 2001 @ 17:34 - dmurray@stockphotosonline.com (<dmurray@...>)
3673. National Post Story
      Dear BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Your friend dmurray@stockphotosonline.com thought you might be interested in this National Post story: Europe s borderless
      Aug 18, 2001 @ 17:35 - dmurray@stockphotosonline.com (<dmurray@...>)
3674. National Post Story
      Dear BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Your friend dmurray@stockphotosonline.com thought you might be interested in this National Post story: So sure, just blow
      Aug 18, 2001 @ 17:35 - dmurray@stockphotosonline.com (<dmurray@...>)
3675. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Lunch
      Was it good? Please bring it on the trip! Doug -- ... [Non text/plain message body suppressed]
      Aug 18, 2001 @ 17:41 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
3676. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Lunch
      I don t think I can. Books ordered from external libraries cannot get extended beyound the month. But you can see it before I hand it back on the 6th, I think.
      Aug 18, 2001 @ 17:41 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3677. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Lunch
      Doug and others, I ve read the book Tourism and Political Boundaries and it s only so-so. Heyyy, wait just a minute! Actually I wrote the book as a way of
      Aug 18, 2001 @ 21:30 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
3678. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Lunch
      I thought that would illicit a response from the author! I ve just checked with the Vancouver Public Library, and they don t have this fine tomb yet. Fingers
      Aug 18, 2001 @ 21:58 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
3679. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Lunch
      ... 18 days here!! gl Harry
      Aug 18, 2001 @ 22:09 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
3680. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: helpful hint
      yes of course & you can program a reconstitutor to replace all the missing electrons or even read it all out to you from under your pillow at night but i
      Aug 17, 2001 @ 00:41 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3681. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: (unknown) -> defrlu
      peter i have been scrambling like yourself & havent done my homework etc & of course it doesnt much matter but it seems to me what matters most here is that
      Aug 17, 2001 @ 00:36 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3682. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Lake Constance
      jesper ... ahhh then we appear to have fallen back to either a completely nonsovereign lake very hard to swallow or else a lake fully mediated to a
      Aug 17, 2001 @ 20:20 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3683. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Lake Constance
      No matter what we found out. I AM going to plant my feet into that lake in just a few weeks. Jesper
      Aug 19, 2001 @ 18:37 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3684. Fwd: Delivery Status Notification (Delay)
      ... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ... yes jan
      Aug 19, 2001 @ 20:09 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@hotmail.com>)
3685. re clavoscopy of everyones land advances
      reconstituted from concentrate original message lost was directed to grant & the others involved & may yet arrive also this whole discussion about the shape of
      Aug 19, 2001 @ 20:39 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3686. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Kerguelen and McDonald/Heard _do_ border, EEZ-wise!
      grant & all this whole discussion is fantastic as well as true also i too noticed that one obvious change in clave count between our 200nm eez infringed
      Aug 17, 2001 @ 00:31 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3687. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Permission to Photograph Boundary
      ... yes jan bill is only the caretaker of this paradise i mean he is not really the host & i stress he is not actually the owner of the joint winking &
      Aug 17, 2001 @ 21:12 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3688. Re: Kerguelen and McDonald/Heard _do_ border, EEZ-wise!
      ... the ... impression ... Impressive! Was this the expedition with Louwrens Hacquebord? He travelled on a ship named after Plancius. I ve got a book about
      Aug 20, 2001 @ 19:47 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3689. Plancius
      ... From: Peter Smaardijk ... The Plancius Foundation organized many trips with the mv Plancius to Svalbard archipelago. I have a copy of their 1984
      Aug 20, 2001 @ 20:36 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
3690. re clavoscopy of everyones land
      judging from the deafening response that last riff about golf courses & swiss cheese must not have been entirely clear without accompanying maps so in hopes of
      Aug 20, 2001 @ 23:02 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3691. North Korea
      Hello! Now I am back from North-Korea trip and it is very nice to say that I am alive! I was also in Panmunjom village, of course, from North- Korea it is less
      Aug 21, 2001 @ 08:18 - andreslb2000@yahoo.co.uk (andreslb2000@...)
3692. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Plancius
      ... hey harry thats perfectly ok as far as i am concerned at this point we could use all the messages we can get eerily quiet like everyone must be on vacation
      Aug 21, 2001 @ 19:15 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3693. Re: Plancius
      Harry: More recently, Plancius have organised tourist trips aboard a variety of ex-Russian ice-strengthened research vessels, all of them named after Russian
      Aug 21, 2001 @ 20:09 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
3694. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Plancius
      ... I didn t know that the Plancius Foundation still is active. I do know about the Russian vessels. Is it not so that they are in the Arctic in the northern
      Aug 21, 2001 @ 21:43 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
3695. Re: Plancius
      ... Couldn t swear it is the same Plancius - maybe the name has been taken over by an Arctic tour company. ... summer? Yep. The crew see a lot of daylight.
      Aug 21, 2001 @ 22:55 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
3696. Updates on byltlv and Adutiskis
      Hello! Following new pages are published on my «GeoSite»: http://home.no.net/enklaver/adutiskis.htm http://home.no.net/enklaver/borders/byltlv.htm Regards,
      Aug 22, 2001 @ 00:05 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
3697. Re: [BoundaryPoint] North Korea
      That s great Andres - looking forward to your pix from N-S Korea - must be one of the most thrilling border places on earth - maybe our BP group may use the
      Aug 22, 2001 @ 12:39 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
3698. Re: North Korea
      Hello Peter! Concerning the border picnic, I do not think that it is possible to use this table but about 200-300 metres from the border place there is
      Aug 22, 2001 @ 14:10 - andreslb2000@yahoo.co.uk (andreslb2000@...)
3699. North Korea
      An interesting book about the DMZ was just published this year. You all might want to take a look at it. It gives an interesting history, talks about
      Aug 22, 2001 @ 14:51 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
3700. North Korea
      In fact, there is a US-based tour company that is now beginning to offer tours to DPRK--That s who I m thinking of going with. Maybe they offer free Canadian
      Aug 22, 2001 @ 14:55 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
3701. Re: [BoundaryPoint] North Korea
      I d love to come along! Great research opportunity for the border show. Any ideas on the costs? Doug --
      Aug 22, 2001 @ 16:42 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
3702. RE: [BoundaryPoint] North Korea
      Come along Doug. I believe the cost through the US company is about $1200 p/p for a nine day trip. This includes visas, transportation to/from Beijing to
      Aug 22, 2001 @ 17:32 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
3703. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Updates on byltlv and Adutiskis
      Excellent shots! Thanks! --
      Aug 22, 2001 @ 17:39 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
3704. Re: Updates on byltlv and Adutiskis
      Stunning pictures, Jan. I especially like the Adutiskis page, as I think it was me who first stumbled on this border anomaly here at BP. The tripoint I don t
      Aug 22, 2001 @ 20:41 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3705. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Updates on byltlv and Adutiskis
      Thanks, Doug and Peter for nice comments! Glad to could help. Yes, Peter, only the tripoint marker itself is exactly on the border. The markers are all 2,5
      Aug 22, 2001 @ 21:07 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
3706. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Updates on byltlv and Adutiskis
      Excellent pics Jan. We ll al look forward to more. Dallen ... From: Jan Krogh [mailto:jakro64@yahoo.no] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 2:07 PM To:
      Aug 22, 2001 @ 22:10 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
3707. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Updates on byltlv and Adutiskis
      ... I now see on the main byltlv photo the drawn green lt/by boundary line by some reason is not pictured where it should be, between the ltby bp. I will
      Aug 22, 2001 @ 22:15 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
3708. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Updates on byltlv and Adutiskis
      Jan, I just looked at your picture of the Italy-Vatican border. It looks like you are not actually standing at the border. I think the wood fence is a
      Aug 22, 2001 @ 22:31 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
3709. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Updates on byltlv and Adutiskis
      Jan: Her plight sounds like a good story for an episode of the border series (which is still in early development). Do you have any contact or other
      Aug 23, 2001 @ 02:50 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
3710. Reminder - GCEBE 2001!
      We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. GCEBE 2001! Date: Thursday, September 6, 2001 Time: All Day GCEBE 2001! TheGreat Central European Border
      Aug 23, 2001 @ 04:03 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com (BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com )
3711. RE: [BoundaryPoint] North Korea
      Great idea, Dallen, I m interested...! Let s make it a real BP-member trip...! Peter H. ... From: Dallen Timothy Date: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 19:46:29 To:
      Aug 23, 2001 @ 11:17 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
3712. RE: [BoundaryPoint] North Korea
      The Great Asian Border Expedition? The Great Korean Border Expedition? The Kim il Sung tour 2002? The Great Communist Border Expedition? I need sleep. Doug --
      Aug 23, 2001 @ 14:45 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
3713. RE: [BoundaryPoint] North Korea
      It is tiring. However, the trip could be done on a good budget. Tickets now from North America to Beijing are only around $650. I m heading over to Beijing
      Aug 23, 2001 @ 15:39 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
3714. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Updates on byltlv and Adutiskis
      Very nice pictures Jan!!! Niver mind the mistake. The bordermarkers seem like very big chess-pieces. Why don t you move one or two towards were they fit in the
      Aug 23, 2001 @ 17:30 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
3715. Summer Quiz
      Hello everybody, During my recent holliday s I took a picture of the oldest borderstone along the Germany/Netherlands border. At least a book I saw, mentioned
      Aug 23, 2001 @ 17:40 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
3716. re fresh multisovereign point
      worldclass trypointing congrats to jan at byltlv our first member in several thousand messages here to reach a previously unreported trisovereign point unless
      Aug 23, 2001 @ 17:47 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3717. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Summer Quiz
      harry is it one of the 1558 rocks mentioned in message 1817 m ... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of
      Aug 23, 2001 @ 18:00 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3718. Re: Summer Quiz
      I hope so, because I don t know anything about this stone. The oldest one I know is the famous Bombs Bernard one, the old tripoint Netherlands/Hanover/Prussia
      Aug 23, 2001 @ 18:34 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3719. More "virgin" tripoints soon to come!
      Hello Mike and all of you with a special interest in tripoints: The newly conquered tp ByLtLv by Jan is world class - congrats Jan ! I m sure most of the
      Aug 23, 2001 @ 19:17 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
3720. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Updates on byltlv and Adutiskis
      Tnx om, Harry! I will consider your idea ;-))) Btw today I did 56°N 23°N... Jan http://home.no.net/enklaver Tnx om, Harry! I will consider your idea ;-)))
      Aug 23, 2001 @ 20:36 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
3721. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Summer Quiz
      I give no clue s about the date. But, Peter, nr. 1 is not near Dinxperlo, but near Overdinkel/Driland. Btw I visted both places on different days. I took
      Aug 23, 2001 @ 21:11 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
3722. RE: [BoundaryPoint] North Korea
      ... Get em while they last.
      Aug 23, 2001 @ 21:40 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
3723. RE: [BoundaryPoint] North Korea
      I found airfares to be in there C$1200 (US$780) range anytime bewteen November and Feb. Sounds reasonable to me! Need an assistant on your trip? Cheers, Doug
      Aug 23, 2001 @ 21:54 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
3724. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Corner of New Mexico-Oklahoma-Texas.htm (fwd)
      Hello, I tried to send this directly to the site owner to see his response before criticizing him in public but the email to mapgarbageguy@geocities.com
      Aug 24, 2001 @ 02:34 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
3725. Andorra-tripoints visited
      Just today returned from a hike through the Andorran Pyrenees. Tried to photograph the two tripoints of Andorra. Partially succeeded. Photographed the eastern
      Aug 24, 2001 @ 14:43 - Eef Berns ("Eef Berns" <eefberns@...>)
3726. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Updates on byltlv and Adutiskis
      Doug, I do agree, it s a fantastic story. I will use it in my own Norwegian magasine. I have Mrs. Vaitikiene s address, but she does not speak other languages
      Aug 24, 2001 @ 16:58 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
3727. RE: [BoundaryPoint] re fresh multisovereign point
      Mike, Спасібо! (by) Paldies! (lv) Ačiū! (lt) Ян - Janis - Janas Mike, Спасібо! (by) Paldies! (lv) Ačiū! (lt) Ян - Janis - Janas
      Aug 24, 2001 @ 16:58 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
3728. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Updates on byltlv and Adutiskis
      Dallen, Thanks for info. I was afraid to hear what you now are saying. So close, but so far... ;-) Jan
      Aug 24, 2001 @ 16:58 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
3729. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Summer Quiz
      how about the monster of breitenstein standing roughly 4 meters & 2 millennia m ... _________________________________________________________________ Get your
      Aug 24, 2001 @ 18:33 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3730. Border pix from AtCz
      Attached 3 border pix from the Austria-Czech Rep. border near Moorbad Harbach/close to the Austr. township of Weitra, appr. 150 km NW of Vienna. This was Iron
      Aug 24, 2001 @ 19:27 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
3731. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border pix from AtCz
      Peter thanks for your pictures. It looks like the grass is greener on the other site of the AuCz border, at least according to your pictures. Which site is
      Aug 24, 2001 @ 19:57 - Emil Boasson (Emil Boasson <eb3@...>)
3732. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Corner of New Mexico-Oklahoma-Texas.htm (fwd)
      ... mapgarbageguy@geocities.com ... address, so that it spells mapguy . May be you should try that one David. gl Harry ten Veen
      Aug 24, 2001 @ 20:13 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
3733. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border pix from AtCz
      Well, Emil - this question would have been very easy to answer 11 years ago...: depending on your political conviction... ...but today...ask my sister...! Have
      Aug 24, 2001 @ 20:19 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
3734. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Updates on byltlv and Adutiskis
      Fine business Jan, can we find your visit to n56e23 on the Confluence website in future? Congratulations on this first. There are more points for you to
      Aug 24, 2001 @ 20:35 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
3735. Re: [BoundaryPoint] More "virgin" tripoints soon to come!
      hail peter & jan & eef our only virgin multisovereign point bringers & i wouldnt call you conquerors but lovers so i count an even dozen now that you guys have
      Aug 24, 2001 @ 20:42 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3736. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border pix from AtCz
      Peter, I am refering to your AtCzborderpic1.jpg on the back side of the two small piramyds it looks as the grass is greener? Is that picture taken from Cz to
      Aug 24, 2001 @ 20:52 - Emil Boasson (Emil Boasson <eb3@...>)
3737. Bookmarks and Photos!
      From time to time, BP members ask why a certain site isn t listed in BP s Bookmarks section. The answer is simple...I just don t have the time to
      Aug 24, 2001 @ 21:47 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
3738. easier URL for Belgian border site
      Goodmorning/bonjour/goedemorgen, the site about the inner-belgian linguistic border and the (southern) state frontier of Belgium has a new (and hopefully much
      Aug 25, 2001 @ 04:36 - kahbeh@hotmail.com (kahbeh@...)
3739. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border pix from AtCz
      Allright, Emil, here s the final result: Picture # 1 is taken from Cz, my sister crossed the border in order to please me - to her the grass must certainly be
      Aug 25, 2001 @ 06:25 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
3740. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Updates on byltlv and Adutiskis
      Sure, Harry! I was there together with a journalist collegue and photographer from the main Šiauliai newspaper. Now I am only waiting for the pictures. But it
      Aug 25, 2001 @ 08:03 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
3741. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Andorra-tripoints visited
      Nice to hear you re back ! I m looking forward for the pictures. Greetings, Jannis ... From: Eef Berns To:
      Aug 25, 2001 @ 08:41 - JC.Deeleman ("JC.Deeleman" <deeleman@...>)
3742. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Summer Quiz
      Here are the results of the bidding: everybody was to pessimistic. The oldest stone along one of the Dutch borders is: Bordermarker nr. 20 near De Lutte in the
      Aug 25, 2001 @ 10:26 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
3743. RE: [BoundaryPoint] re fresh multisovereign point
      multi jan very tastefully done m ... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at
      Aug 25, 2001 @ 17:21 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3744. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Updates on byltlv and Adutiskis
      & harry i concur with your redemption of conquer m ... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer
      Aug 25, 2001 @ 17:24 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3745. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Summer Quiz
      hey i wasnt pessimistic at all just very late m ... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at
      Aug 25, 2001 @ 17:28 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3746. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Bookmarks and Photos!
      another dream come true thanx bill m ... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at
      Aug 25, 2001 @ 17:34 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3747. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border pix from AtCz
      Thank you Peter, This is what I thought, but in contradiction to what a friend who studied Cinematography in Czhoslovakia in the early 60s told me. Not only
      Aug 25, 2001 @ 17:51 - Emil Boasson (Emil Boasson <eb3@...>)
3748. Re: [BoundaryPoint] MNNDSD Carefully
      Remember that due to the possible errors in drafting and printing, USGS maps only claim that things are within 1/50 inch of their true positions on the map,
      Aug 26, 2001 @ 02:45 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
3749. National Post Story
      Dear BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Your friend dougmurray@mybc.com thought you might be interested in this National Post story: Military tensions heightened
      Aug 26, 2001 @ 17:31 - dmurray@stockphotosonline.com (<dmurray@...>)
3750. National Post Story
      Dear BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Your friend dougmurray@mybc.com thought you might be interested in this National Post story: South African border a sieve
      Aug 26, 2001 @ 17:32 - dmurray@stockphotosonline.com (<dmurray@...>)
3751. National Post Story
      Dear BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Your friend dougmurray@mybc.com thought you might be interested in this National Post story: 64% want freer border for
      Aug 26, 2001 @ 17:32 - dmurray@stockphotosonline.com (<dmurray@...>)
3752. Re: MNNDSD Carefully
      Thanks for the reminder. I was aware of this limitation, but even taking it into consideration the tri-point still would fall within the Bois de Sioux. That
      Aug 26, 2001 @ 17:11 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
3753. Re: Summer Quiz
      Sure, but it s not on denl... Peter S. NB: Soon you ll be seeing more of the Alsatian monster. ... oldest ... Grenzstein ... sides. ... added to ...
      Aug 26, 2001 @ 18:11 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3754. Re: Summer Quiz
      Now that is a surprise. 1480 is indeed a respectable age. One little question: do you (or anyone else) know what this border stone originally was dividing? As
      Aug 26, 2001 @ 18:27 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3755. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: MNNDSD Carefully
      As you probably know, the definitive answers (I think) regarding US state boundaries can be found in Franklin K. Van Zandt s Boundaries of the United States
      Aug 26, 2001 @ 18:31 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
3756. Re: MNNDSD Carefully
      I have that book and consulted it regarding this issue. It states what we already know - that the witness monument is 9 chains west of the Bois de Sioux
      Aug 27, 2001 @ 02:56 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
3757. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Maienbühl
      I know I should have brought it up when the question on Maienbuhl was asked, but isn t it a possibility that the salient is just the normal border somehow. I
      Aug 27, 2001 @ 20:29 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
3758. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Maienbühl
      wonderful to have you back in strength arif & as much as i would like to believe our quintitertiary point of okeechobee is the global maxipoint i believe you
      Aug 27, 2001 @ 21:34 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3759. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: MNNDSD Carefully
      david how is it probable anyone knows what you think m well ok now it is ... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE
      Aug 27, 2001 @ 21:36 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3760. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: MNNDSD Carefully
      yes now we are talking some leading edge punctology here so to repeat & elaborate the usgs was completely embarrassed by & indeed clueless about settling this
      Aug 27, 2001 @ 21:35 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3761. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Summer Quiz
      right peter we were talking about denl so is this 1480 the oldest rock on denl dated or otherwise & does this top if i am using your word top correctly now
      Aug 27, 2001 @ 21:36 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3762. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Maienbühl
      Mike, If I only knew what kind of point I found, I would be able to tell you. It isn t a tripoint in international level, so I was hesitant at first to
      Aug 28, 2001 @ 04:01 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
3763. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Maienbühl
      Arif, Where in Sweden are Trestickan National Park and Takeholmen? Jan Vilnius, Lithuania http://home.no.net/enklaver
      Aug 28, 2001 @ 07:05 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
3764. Tresticklan map attached !
      Hello Jan, Tresticklan is one of Sweden s southernmost national parks - very close to the southern Norwegian township of Halden... attached there s a map of
      Aug 28, 2001 @ 08:54 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
3765. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Maienbühl
      well it still sounds like you have discovered a true quintipoint & very possibly the most major quinti in the world hence global maxipoint by that reckoning
      Aug 28, 2001 @ 19:31 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3766. Re: Maienbühl
      First, I don t rule out that Maienbühl is something very normal. It just looks peculiar, so why wouldn t there be some sort of a story to it? On quintipoints:
      Aug 28, 2001 @ 19:47 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3767. Breitenstein pictures in Photos section!
      And now the Alsatian monster, the Breitenstein. I have taken another four pictures of it. Later on, I will show you pictures of the Drei- Peterstein and the
      Aug 28, 2001 @ 21:53 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3768. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Breitenstein pictures in Photos section!
      thanx peter for these top notch words they seem to indicate the monster is no longer functional as a boundary marker of any kind thus no longer a candidate for
      Aug 29, 2001 @ 19:51 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3769. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Maienbühl
      ... this may well be in any case the question remains as you also seem to wonder below can we find or rather confirm a living quintipoint anywhere that is
      Aug 29, 2001 @ 20:04 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3770. Re: Breitenstein pictures in Photos section!
      I m not sure. The 25k topo map of the area I have seems to indicate it is no longer a working stone. But this possibly is because the border is depicted on the
      Aug 29, 2001 @ 20:08 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3771. Re: Breitenstein pictures in Photos section!
      ... ... The answer is yes for the Spitzstein (although it still could be on a municipal border - the other side of the road problem again), but definitely a
      Aug 29, 2001 @ 20:13 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3772. Re: Maienbühl -> quintipoints
      ... equal or ... at ... I don t think I (or Arif) said Maienbühl was a quintipoint situation. Perhaps we should have changed the subject title of the mails
      Aug 29, 2001 @ 20:20 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3773. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Breitenstein pictures in Photos section!
      yes thank goodness you have elaborated on this & it is all exactly as i thought cant trust local authority even when written on signs must go to sources & from
      Aug 29, 2001 @ 20:33 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3774. Re: Breitenstein pictures in Photos section!
      ... No. The Trois Pierres are still on the border (well, not actually on the border, which is a bit difficult for three stones acting as one boundary marker,
      Aug 29, 2001 @ 20:48 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3775. more thinking about breitenstein
      if the monster &or any of its suspected companions do prove to be as alive & working today as peter & i would both like to believe then i think the only
      Aug 29, 2001 @ 22:03 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3776. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Breitenstein pictures in Photos section!
      yes & yes but how can you say no & then well yes isnt it rather yes but then well not exactly m ...
      Aug 29, 2001 @ 22:04 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3777. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Maienbühl -> quintipoints
      good what point were you guys talking about then thats the one i mean m ... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE
      Aug 29, 2001 @ 22:03 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3778. more monster
      wonderful pix peter i finally found them in our new gallery awesome if anyone else missed it or them just go to the bp home page & click on photos & youll be
      Aug 29, 2001 @ 23:09 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3779. Reminder - GCEBE 2001!
      We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. GCEBE 2001! Date: Thursday, September 6, 2001 Time: All Day GCEBE 2001! TheGreat Central European Border
      Aug 30, 2001 @ 04:03 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com (BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com )
3780. Am Zandkrug
      Dear Mats Where are Am Zandkrug? Jesper http://www.brianrose.com/wall.htm
      Aug 30, 2001 @ 04:14 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3781. Aves Is, Caribbean
      Posted today on int-boundaries: Aves Island (a sandbar) in the Caribbean Sea. Several states concluded bilateral maritime border agreements based on the idea
      Aug 30, 2001 @ 11:32 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
3782. Re: Am Zandkrug
      Am Sandkrug (correct spelling), a.k.a. Entenschnabel (Ducks bill), is part of Glienicke/Nordbahn, and is a Brandenburg salient into the land of Berlin (was a
      Aug 30, 2001 @ 16:47 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3783. Re: Aves Is, Caribbean
      The already mentioned Boudewijn Buch wrote a chapter in one of his island books on Aves, and the dispute between the Netherlands and Venezuela over this
      Aug 30, 2001 @ 16:50 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3784. Re: more thinking about breitenstein
      In a couple of days I will post some (translated into English for the benifit of most of you) stuff from some books I have, that both unequivocally state that
      Aug 30, 2001 @ 16:53 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3785. webpage on tripoints of Andorra on-line
      As promised I ve put the information and pictures of my quest for the Andorran tripoints on the internet. An English version is available. Surf to
      Aug 30, 2001 @ 16:51 - Eef Berns ("Eef Berns" <eefberns@...>)
3786. Re: [BoundaryPoint] webpage on tripoints of Andorra on-line
      eef bravissimos & standing ovations m ... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at
      Aug 30, 2001 @ 22:05 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3787. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: more thinking about breitenstein
      thank you peter i am warmed m ... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at
      Aug 30, 2001 @ 22:07 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3788. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Reminder - GCEBE 2001!
      sounds like a major binge in the making i will drink with you guys from here all the way m ...
      Aug 30, 2001 @ 22:11 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3789. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Reminder - GCEBE 2001!
      Binge eh? Well, I m doing my part to get ready: I m mid-way through my Toronto layover and I ve just returned from the liquor store. An incredible selection
      Aug 30, 2001 @ 22:24 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
3790. More on Aves Island
      Any one care to map these claims? ************** Venezuelan spreading hegemony alarms some Eastern Caribbean States by JOHN COLLINS In The Caribbean Investor
      Aug 31, 2001 @ 00:37 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
3791. breitenstein > aves > binge
      thanxx brendan & doug already afield swimming thru toronto so why dont we get prime minister bird to do a bird dance on bird island while we all do a hering
      Aug 31, 2001 @ 18:15 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3792. Re: More on Aves Island
      The Aves Island claim must make Venezuela a contender for the largest number of maritime boundaries. Heading clockwise from Colombia, it has treaty lines or
      Aug 31, 2001 @ 18:18 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
3793. Re: [BoundaryPoint] More on Aves Island
      I would like to present another radio-amateur related website to you all; see what Aves Island realy is..... http://www.qsl.net/dl2gg/Aves/aves1.html gl Harry
      Aug 31, 2001 @ 18:22 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
3794. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: More on Aves Island
      beautiful tour de farce here grant especially ... & ... yes & already i am wondering how to monitor all these evanescent yet exquisite probabilities the
      Aug 31, 2001 @ 18:48 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3795. Re: More on Aves Island
      ... By this I meant the borders around Aves itself - Venezuela has other maritime treaty boundaries elsewhere in its territory. I ve just found a 16th boundary
      Aug 31, 2001 @ 18:57 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
3796. Re: More on Aves Island
      ... under ... My map isn t fine enough to give a precise distance (I m working from Prescott, of which/whom I ll try to produce a scan next week), but 20nm or
      Aug 31, 2001 @ 22:43 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
3797. RE: [BoundaryPoint] More on Aves Island
      fb om = vy nice pix = gl dx = de ly/la9qca sk ... From: Harry ten Veen [mailto:pa8km@amsat.org] Sent: 31. august 2001 20.23 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
      Sep 01, 2001 @ 08:05 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
3798. Re: webpage on tripoints of Andorra on-line
      Congratulations, Eef! Great job! I have some information that –perhaps- can clarify where is the tripoint. According to the final act of demarcation, july,
      Sep 01, 2001 @ 16:08 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
3799. Re: webpage on tripoints of Andorra on-line
      Sorry, I attach now the file. Marcel. __________________________________________________________________ ¡Se acercan tiempos salvajes a Navegalia : el
      Sep 01, 2001 @ 16:10 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@navegalia.com>)
3800. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: webpage on tripoints of Andorra on-line
      Marcel, thanks a lot for your information: your evidence seems clear enough: the tripoint is exactly on the spot of portella blanca. That what France and Spain
      Sep 01, 2001 @ 20:01 - Eef Berns ("Eef Berns" <eefberns@...>)
3801. More info on Breitenstein/Dreipeterstein
      Some additional information on the Breitenstein and the Dreipeterstein I promised earlier on. Apologies in advance for possibly crooked English and/or wrong
      Sep 02, 2001 @ 21:58 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3802. How to count a border crossing
      How would it be reasonable to count border crossings? I have GCEBE in mind. If you run around a tp you should count 3 crossings, but if you take the tour twice
      Sep 10, 2001 @ 12:44 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3803. Re: [BoundaryPoint] How to count a border crossing
      Hi Jesper, Since I keep statistics of my country visits I decided a long time ago for the following principles for myself. If I am in, say, Sweden, and cross
      Sep 03, 2001 @ 05:26 - Rolf Palmberg LI ("Rolf Palmberg LI" <rpalmber@...>)
3804. Re: [BoundaryPoint] How to count a border crossing
      And you have to consume one beer in that country. -- Doug Murray On the road with: The Great Central European Border Expedition Follow our progress at:
      Sep 03, 2001 @ 22:14 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
3805. Pictures of Lorraine - Alsace boundary completed
      The other pictures I promised you: Four pictures of the Dreipeterstein, one of the Spitzstein, ten of the boundary markers along the border marker path (going
      Sep 03, 2001 @ 22:30 - Peter Smaardijk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Smaardijk?= <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
3806. RE: [BoundaryPoint] How to count a border crossing
      I do not count a country before I have had a meal in that country. Jan ... From: Doug Murray [mailto:dmurray@stockphotosonline.com] Sent: 4. september 2001
      Sep 04, 2001 @ 06:13 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
3807. RE: [BoundaryPoint] How to count a border crossing
      ... Won t that be difficult in the Vatican City? Or do you bring take-away (take bring-along?) :-) Rolf
      Sep 04, 2001 @ 06:26 - rpalmber@abo.fi (rpalmber@...)
3808. RE: [BoundaryPoint] How to count a border crossing
      Not at all - did you not hear about the holy meal! Jan ... From: rpalmber@abo.fi [mailto:rpalmber@abo.fi] Sent: 4. september 2001 08.27 To:
      Sep 04, 2001 @ 06:32 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
3809. RE: [BoundaryPoint] How to count a border crossing
      Actually there is one good restaurant in the Vatican, well not really a restaurant. It is a cafeteria in the Vatican Museums, and it has pretty good food.
      Sep 04, 2001 @ 15:51 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
3810. redoing boundaries.
      Let every nation put a single marker in its capitol with exact co- ordinates known. Then change the boundaries between the countries so that each country
      Sep 04, 2001 @ 16:31 - Randy Finder ("Randy Finder" <naraht@...>)
3811. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: More on Aves Island
      thanx grant very interesting & it revives a trisovereign point hope previously written off plus it reminds me we have a collection of 170 or so of these still
      Sep 04, 2001 @ 18:55 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3812. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Pictures of Lorraine - Alsace boundary completed
      tip top presentation & overall stagecraft peter a dizzying delight & thanx to it i think breitenstein really is the most probable world champ in the oldest
      Sep 04, 2001 @ 18:56 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3813. Re: [BoundaryPoint] How to count a border crossing
      hahahahaha hahahahahaha ... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at
      Sep 04, 2001 @ 18:55 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3814. Re: [BoundaryPoint] redoing boundaries.
      hahahahahaha hahaha hahahaha ... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at
      Sep 04, 2001 @ 18:56 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3815. Dwarfs and Giants
      Today our thoughts are with the brave men of the GCEBE, who plan to boldly go where no man has gone since..., well, since BoundaryPoint was founded, anyway. At
      Sep 04, 2001 @ 19:18 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <blofeld_es@...>)
3816. Re: [BoundaryPoint] How to count a border crossing
      ... Did you have a beer in the Netherlands and onboard the train in Germany? See you and the others in Flensburg to-morrow ! ! !! ! ! ! ! gl Harry ten Veen
      Sep 04, 2001 @ 19:22 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
3817. Exclaves of exclaves
      ... homeland Well, sort of yes, sort of no. People who live on Sark in the Channel Islands get some of their administration locally, some from Guernsey (of
      Sep 04, 2001 @ 20:13 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
3818. Re: [BoundaryPoint] redoing boundaries.
      ... Hey, let s put this to a vote before we do anything drastic...! Bill Kissimmee ( Kiss-IM-me ), Florida
      Sep 04, 2001 @ 20:36 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
3819. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Dwarfs and Giants
      Bravo! Well said!
      Sep 04, 2001 @ 20:59 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
3820. maiden speech
      The partition by nearest capitols, as proposed by Randy Finder, has a name: mathematicians know it as the Voronoi diagram.
      Sep 05, 2001 @ 06:36 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
3821. North Korea
      Dear border freaks! I am sending several photos about Panmunjom. Those photos are not made by me but made by Tom Miles, one of the fellow during the summer
      Sep 05, 2001 @ 10:45 - Andres Lauba (=?iso-8859-1?q?Andres=20Lauba?= <andreslb2000@yahoo.co.uk>)
3822. North Korea
      More photos! DO NOT PUBLISH THOSE PHOTOS IN NEWSPAPERS, MAGAZINES ETC. Andres ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get
      Sep 05, 2001 @ 10:48 - Andres Lauba (=?iso-8859-1?q?Andres=20Lauba?= <andreslb2000@yahoo.co.uk>)
3823. Voronoi borders
      I think a couple of spots in the South Pacific, Indian Ocean and Caribbean show a few almost-Voronoi tiles, as Anton describes - there are areas where several
      Sep 05, 2001 @ 12:19 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
3824. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Voronoi borders
      ... Sydney has one too, though it isn t a national capital. Most other places use the GPO as the reference point. BW
      Sep 05, 2001 @ 12:30 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
3825. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Voronoi borders
      ... Count the U.S. as well: http://www.nps.gov/whho/Statues/zero_milestone.htm Bill
      Sep 05, 2001 @ 14:22 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
3826. Re: maiden speech
      ... There used to be something like it in the Netherlands during the 17th and 18th centuries. The so-called lands of Overmaze, consisting of three entities:
      Sep 05, 2001 @ 19:36 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3827. Re: webpage on tripoints of Andorra on-line
      Eef, I think I have the reason because Andorra wants more land: according a popular joke, the Primer Minister of Andorra said some years ago: “We will never
      Sep 05, 2001 @ 20:30 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
3828. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Voronoi borders
      count mexico in too & possibly a few other latin countries i cant recall it may even have originally been a roman thing m ...
      Sep 05, 2001 @ 22:32 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3829. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: webpage on tripoints of Andorra on-line
      well then since there evidently isnt any tripartite agreement maybe eef is actually correct in claiming both versions of adesfre & perhaps no visit could be
      Sep 05, 2001 @ 22:33 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3830. Re: [BoundaryPoint] redoing boundaries.
      randy mapless at the moment but i would like to guess on your anchorage question i think i am qualified because i once actually won a shotgun in anchorage by
      Sep 05, 2001 @ 22:34 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3831. GCEBE 2001
      Guys! GCEBE2001 is a reality!! Don t forget to check out the site at http://www.geocities.com/graenser/gcebe for the updates. Jesper
      Sep 06, 2001 @ 03:46 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3832. Border article
      The national Danish newspaper posted last week an article about some Danish border freaks and a central European Border Expedition:
      Sep 06, 2001 @ 08:14 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3833. highest border points
      To: BoundaryPoint email group BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Subject: highest border points Just sent a similar message to the web page contact, so hope I m not
      Sep 06, 2001 @ 16:32 - Andy Martin (Andy Martin <martin@...>)
3834. Re: redoing boundaries.
      ... offers in its ... typically ... jersey at all ... such an ... Don t Brazzaville and Kinshasa peer at each other across the Congo? And to a lesser extent,
      Sep 06, 2001 @ 17:57 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
3835. Re: [BoundaryPoint] GCEBE 2001
      & click on diary for the date 6 september etc & you will find the first words are already in from copenhagen m qq who are representing the 6 nationalities &
      Sep 06, 2001 @ 18:18 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3836. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: redoing boundaries.
      perhaps the former pair at least i hope so in which case good catch but regarding the latter well you just cant see there from here & it even takes about 40
      Sep 06, 2001 @ 18:24 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3837. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: webpage on tripoints of Andorra on-line
      Marcel, thanks for your additional information. Summarizing the information so far: - between 1856 en 1863 the Andorra-Spain boundary was reflected in a
      Sep 06, 2001 @ 18:34 - Eef Berns ("Eef Berns" <eefberns@...>)
3838. re boundary hi points
      welcome andy interesting new question we have our resident pioneer of both hi pointing & tri pointing jack parsell & now you are evidently rising to new
      Sep 06, 2001 @ 18:55 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3839. re boundary high points
      (m donner - state boundary high points) ... (Andy) Sure, know Jack from way back by way of the State HP club. Have his tri point book, and his state low point
      Sep 06, 2001 @ 20:20 - Andy Martin (Andy Martin <martin@...>)
3840. Re: redoing boundaries.
      ... Just a couple of km apart, downstream of the Stanley Pool, my Congo IGN map tells me. ... Sigh. You re right, of course. 200km apart. (Hmmm ... maybe *15*
      Sep 06, 2001 @ 20:43 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
3841. borderline projects
      Some more borderline projects: 1. County tri points. For those wanting something to tackle closer to home. 2. Circumnavigations - hike around lower 48 - or
      Sep 07, 2001 @ 17:35 - Andy Martin (Andy Martin <martin@...>)
3842. Re: [BoundaryPoint] re boundary high points
      & lo & behold here is jack himself at gcebe m ... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at
      Sep 07, 2001 @ 18:26 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3843. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: redoing boundaries.
      then the cities themselves are very probably intervisible & i would expect the state houses of countries named congo to face the congo so it is likely the
      Sep 07, 2001 @ 18:34 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3844. Re: [BoundaryPoint] borderline projects
      andy we are blowing all the bandwidth we can in order to create more & so far & i think forever any subject any member believes others here will like has been
      Sep 07, 2001 @ 18:49 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3845. Re: borderline projects
      Andy, not to worry...BP bandwith is YOUR bandwith... Bill
      Sep 07, 2001 @ 18:59 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
3846. Re: [BoundaryPoint] borderline projects
      ... I heard once of a Swiss professor who was offered a job at UIUC. He looked at a map, found that Urbana is near the head of three river systems (Sangamon,
      Sep 08, 2001 @ 05:39 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
3847. Re: borderline projects
      Did he quit when he discovered what it looks like there? BJB
      Sep 09, 2001 @ 12:32 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
3848. West Berlin boundary shots
      Some nice West Berlin boundary pictures, showing railway border crossings, can be found at http://www.signalverbindung.de/seite/zurueckbleiben.html . Look for
      Sep 09, 2001 @ 17:13 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3849. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: borderline projects
      ... No. He had made an agreement, and could not claim to have been misled (by anyone else)! -- Anton Sherwood -- br0nt0@p0b0x.com -- http://ogre.nu/
      Sep 09, 2001 @ 17:52 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
3850. more perambulations
      also andy about coasting & circumnavigating states etc & since the world class binge is quiet for a moment i would like to add that i have fully pervambulated
      Sep 09, 2001 @ 20:35 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3851. jungholz cliffhanger
      while we anxiously await word of the still uncertain outcome of probably the greatest boundary cross try in the history of the world & learn how many men can
      Sep 11, 2001 @ 21:29 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3852. Jungholz
      I have located the Jungholz boundary treaty. Treaty for the rectification of the Tirol Frontier between Austria and Bavaria, signed at Munich, 30 January 1844.
      Sep 12, 2001 @ 11:11 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
3853. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Jungholz
      Hi Brendan, I ll try my best at the translation. I ll have a go at the original monster sentence first. Then follows a digestible version. ... Article XV. The
      Sep 12, 2001 @ 14:40 - Bernhard Lurssen (Bernhard Lurssen <tardis@...-net.de>)
3854. all clear here
      well i still gotta believe all is well & we are just experiencing a relatively minor mishap & outage both in large scale & with bp & gcebe in particular our
      Sep 14, 2001 @ 19:34 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3855. Re: all clear here
      Jesper had been sending his dispatches to me, whereuopn I was converting them to HTML and posting them to his web site, but I have not received any dispatches
      Sep 15, 2001 @ 00:15 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
3856. Re: all clear here
      Of course it could also be that an international group of men in a van making frequent border crossings has suddenly become more cumbersome. BJB ... welcome
      Sep 15, 2001 @ 00:18 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
3857. a guess
      well then since the expedition is evidently still incommunicado here is my best guess of what happened next at the inn before jungholz the weather only partly
      Sep 15, 2001 @ 00:35 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3858. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Jungholz
      Excellent work! Jungholz is a point by definition in the treaty then!!! Confirmation!!! Art XXXII Un die Vollendung und Sanctionirung des Vermarkungs-Operates
      Sep 15, 2001 @ 06:03 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
3859. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Jungholz
      Hello Brendan, ... if you like, you can send the scans directly to my email address. That would not unduly take members time to download. I would post the
      Sep 15, 2001 @ 09:34 - Bernhard Lurssen (Bernhard Lurssen <tardis@...-net.de>)
3860. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: all clear here
      man if you are right what an adventure that must be tho i dont know which guess to root for m ...
      Sep 15, 2001 @ 18:24 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3861. Re: [BoundaryPoint] all clear here
      ... All is well. I succeeded in meeting the GCEBE group in Baarle on Friday night, and shared pigeon and veal with them. Yesterday, we visited Meerseldreef
      Sep 16, 2001 @ 07:56 - Pepijn Hendriks ("Pepijn Hendriks" <pepijnh@...>)
3862. Re: Exclaves of exclaves
      Hi, is there any information about the fact, that Sark doesnt belong to the U.K., but the U.K. belongs to Sark. I read something like this in the following
      Sep 16, 2001 @ 11:43 - wertkauf@gmx.net (wertkauf@...)
3865. Re: Exclaves of exclaves
      Just to put some guys at ease: Pepijn is right. The GCEBE has had a happy and worthy conclusion in Baarle-Nassau. I too was present. So the Eagle most surely
      Sep 16, 2001 @ 17:49 - smaardijk@yahoo.com (smaardijk@...)
3866. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Exclaves of exclaves
      Hello Peter, on the following link it looks like. a border is shown with the mark zu Bremerhaven . But unfortunately the end of the map is reached. So its
      Sep 16, 2001 @ 20:30 - wertkauf@gmx.net (<wertkauf@...>)
3867. a few photos
      Hi Folks, I promised a while back that I would be sending some additional border pictures in time. I ve been dragging my feet in this because most of my
      Sep 17, 2001 @ 02:10 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
3868. German history
      how far off topic is this? i often wonder what traces remain in Germany of the hundreds of former states. how many Germans know what count claimed the ground
      Sep 17, 2001 @ 08:54 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
3869. Re: [BoundaryPoint] a few photos
      ... Dallen, is that picture taken in the Ft. Covington/Dundee area? Bill
      Sep 17, 2001 @ 14:47 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
3870. Re: [BoundaryPoint] all clear here
      GCEBE good. Tales to come... Doug -- Doug Murray On the road with: The Great Central European Border Expedition Follow our progress at:
      Sep 17, 2001 @ 16:18 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
3871. More about the Spain/France/Andorra east tripoint
      Hello. I’ve more informations about the Adorra/Spain/France east tripoint. First.- Attached to this e-mail, a map on-line from the cartographic institute of
      Sep 17, 2001 @ 17:01 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@navegalia.com>)
3872. more photos
      Hi, Here are some photos from France/Monaco. 1) I m facing south towards the Mediterranean. You can see that the border runs through some buildings. 2) I m
      Sep 17, 2001 @ 17:02 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
3873. more photos
      Here are more photos from my slide collection from Campione d Italia. Sorry that some of the resolutions are not too good. 1) This is the gateway arch, which
      Sep 17, 2001 @ 17:09 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
3874. more pictures
      Me again. Here are some shots from the Switzerland-Liechtenstein border. There are six, so I ll send them in two different mailings. 1) This little covered
      Sep 17, 2001 @ 17:14 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
3875. more pictures
      5) The border on the main Vaduz bridge. Note the brass plaque under the sign and the small disk in the sidewalk. 6) So, the small island is divided between
      Sep 17, 2001 @ 17:16 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
3876. Re: German history
      ... Not at all, I would say. ... former ... Most definitely yes. See, for example: http://www.aumann-net.de/grlhbch/hanstein.html Peter S.
      Sep 17, 2001 @ 17:38 - smaardijk@yahoo.com (smaardijk@...)
3877. RE: [BoundaryPoint] a few photos
      Yes it is. I don t have a map with me now, but I believe it s just east of Ft Covington in one of the next towns over. Can t remember the name off hand.
      Sep 17, 2001 @ 18:32 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
3878. Re: German history
      At the risk of posting this twice (but either Yahoo is exceptionally slow today, or my previous posting has been drowned in the already mythical Brendan
      Sep 17, 2001 @ 19:01 - smaardijk@yahoo.com (smaardijk@...)
3879. Re: [BoundaryPoint] all clear here
      thanx pepijn a most welcome report m ... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at
      Sep 17, 2001 @ 20:44 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3880. Re: [BoundaryPoint] a few photos
      thanx dallen your vatican photo suggests that the famous balcony does indeed look out very substantially beyond the vatican boundary & produces a world class
      Sep 17, 2001 @ 20:52 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3881. Campione
      I have discovered the treaty defining Campione s boundary. The Treaty of Varese of 2 Aug 1752 left it out completely, although Campione had been part of the
      Sep 18, 2001 @ 02:20 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
3882. RE: [BoundaryPoint] a few photos
      M, You re absolutely right. To my immediate right in this Vatican photo and about 400 meters is St Peter s Basilica. Then if you were to turn right another
      Sep 18, 2001 @ 02:34 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
3883. Vatican exclaves
      This reminds me that when I was in Rome last April, I visited a couple of the churches that belong to the Vatican state. I talked to a couple of building
      Sep 18, 2001 @ 02:44 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
3884. Re: [BoundaryPoint] more photos
      I m enjoying the pix, do keep them coming! ... Are there land borders that run on different lines for different purposes? I notice that the white paint extends
      Sep 18, 2001 @ 06:32 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
3885. GCEBE-Meeting at the tripoint B/NL/D, article Aachener Nachrichten
      I found this article (in German) in the german newspaper Aachener Nachrichten concerning the GCEBE-tour. The URL is
      Sep 18, 2001 @ 06:50 - Thomas Messer ("Thomas Messer" <thomasmesser@web.de>)
3886. RE: [BoundaryPoint] a few photos
      I think it was Gregory Peck, wasn t it? Bill
      Sep 18, 2001 @ 15:32 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
3887. RE: [BoundaryPoint] a few photos
      Yes, it seems like Gregory Peck. Do you remember the movie? Dallen ... From: Bill Hanrahan [mailto:hanrahan@kua.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 8:33 AM
      Sep 18, 2001 @ 15:40 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
3888. Re: [BoundaryPoint] GCEBE-Meeting at the tripoint B/NL/D, article Aachener Nachrichten
      http://www.an-online.de/corem/corem/an/euregio/grenze_10917.html ... From: Thomas Messer To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001
      Sep 18, 2001 @ 17:00 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3889. More about the Spain/France/Andorra east tripoint (2)
      Hello As i have promised in my previous message (3871), I have more information about the east Andorra tripoint: I own a new official spanish map, “mapa
      Sep 18, 2001 @ 17:46 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
3890. RE: a few photos
      I don t know the original title, but the traslation to spanish was Rojo y negro or Negro y rojo ( Black and red or red and black . I ve the original
      Sep 18, 2001 @ 17:56 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
3891. Croatia/Eslovenia condominium?
      I’ve read on saturday, 16 september that Slovenia and Croatia are negotiating his boundaries. The AFP press note explained that Milan Kukan, the slovenian
      Sep 18, 2001 @ 18:00 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
3892. Re: [BoundaryPoint] more pictures
      more picturesDear Dallen Just to make you proud: Your book has been to 15 countries, including areas like Jungholz, Baarle, Büsingen and Klein Walsertal.
      Sep 18, 2001 @ 18:01 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3893. RE: [BoundaryPoint] a few photos
      I hesitated to try and suggest a title, but I *think* it was something like The Red and the Black . Bill
      Sep 18, 2001 @ 18:45 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
3894. Re: a few photos
      The exterritorial areas of the Vatican under the Lateran Treaty of 1929 are very interesting indeed. I posted several messages earlier on BP. I have yet to
      Sep 18, 2001 @ 19:28 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3895. Re: more photos
      Very interesting pictures, Dallen. The boundary stones along the Route Nationale No. 7 are interesting, because these stones can be found all around France
      Sep 18, 2001 @ 19:47 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3896. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Vatican exclaves
      No, i have no information on these. I consider them to be extraterritorial, rather than sovereign enclaves. My understanding is that only the V.C. itself is
      Sep 19, 2001 @ 00:21 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
3897. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: more photos
      Thanks for this insight. I wasn t aware that the same types of stones were used throughout France. I suppose this monument is unique in this respect because
      Sep 18, 2001 @ 19:59 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
3898. the Vatican border movie
      Thanks to major clues from Marcel and Bill, I was able to find the name of the Gregory Peck movie I was thinking about. It s called The Scarlet and the
      Sep 18, 2001 @ 20:04 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
3899. RE: [BoundaryPoint] more pictures
      Thanks Jesper, it s now a well traveled book. Glad you had a good time on the trek. I ll look forward to hearing more about it and seeing pictures. Dallen
      Sep 18, 2001 @ 19:08 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
3900. RE: [BoundaryPoint] GCEBE-Meeting at the tripoint B/NL/D, article Aachener Nachrichten
      Welcome home, bravious soldiers! ...Da heißt es dann: Estland, Lettland, Russland, Lettland, Estland, und noch mal von vorn.... You optimists....! ;-) Jan
      Sep 19, 2001 @ 07:26 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
3901. Atlas of Andorra
      Can someone supply some more bibliographic detial on this book so that I cvan get out library to purchase it? “Atles cartogràfic de les Valls d’Andorra
      Sep 19, 2001 @ 11:11 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
3902. Re: [BoundaryPoint] More about the Spain/France/Andorra east tripoint (2)
      Marcel, Thanks a lot for your searching. It comes more & more clear that the Spanish-Andorran border is not fixed, neither the French-Andorran border. On the
      Sep 19, 2001 @ 11:26 - Eef Berns ("Eef Berns" <eefberns@...>)
3903. RE: [BoundaryPoint] a few photos
      hi dallen, there may have been a picture of the pool table within the bar in the book between friends ? photo is at
      Sep 19, 2001 @ 14:55 - Beckett, Bob ("Beckett, Bob" <Bob.Beckett@...>)
3904. Re: Atlas of Andorra
      Hello, Brendan. I’ve consulted this book at the National Library of Catalonia, Barcelona The references (from the library) are: TÍTOL: Atles cartogràfic de
      Sep 19, 2001 @ 18:27 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
3905. far sighted governments continued
      well i havent given up all hope of the palace balcony in downtown monte carlo possibly overlooking french territory even tho i seem to recall it was a low
      Sep 19, 2001 @ 20:06 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3906. hrsi border talks lead to wet hr exclave??
      Some more news on the Croatian-Slovenian border talks, as first mentioned by Marcel, can be found at http://www.vitrum.si/secret/sw2001-28/weekly2001-28-1.htm
      Sep 19, 2001 @ 21:34 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3907. Re: hrsi border talks lead to wet hr exclave??
      You can read about the border agreement here as well: http://www.rferl.org/balkan-report/2001/08/54-030801.html Here, some nice insights in border drawing ( a
      Sep 19, 2001 @ 22:06 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3908. RE: [BoundaryPoint] more pictures
      more picturesThank you, Dallen! Indeed fantastic to watch, most useful and very interesting! I hope to see more from you!! Jan
      Sep 20, 2001 @ 05:03 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
3909. GCEBE
      Please visit the GCEBE-site for the first (low quality) digital pictures. The pictures can be seen in the diaries. Jesper
      Sep 20, 2001 @ 06:02 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3910. RE: [BoundaryPoint] more pictures
      Dallen: I was able to snatch your book away from Jesper and I found it very interesting. Be assured that when I m back in Vancouver, I ll either force the
      Sep 21, 2001 @ 17:57 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
3911. RE: [BoundaryPoint] more pictures
      Thanks Doug. I ll be glad to know that there s at least one copy in Vancouver! Dallen ... From: Doug Murray [mailto:dmurray@stockphotosonline.com] Sent:
      Sep 21, 2001 @ 23:42 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
3912. German tripoints
      Having participated in at least part of the wonderful GCEBE, I revived one of my old (unfinished) projects and listed the German tripoints, I found 14 of
      Sep 22, 2001 @ 06:03 - kahbeh@hotmail.com (kahbeh@...)
3913. Re: [BoundaryPoint] German tripoints
      ... I was at the tripoint Hessen/Rheinland-Pfalz/Nordrhein-Westfalen some weeks ago. It s not easy to find (inside a forest), there is a sign Dreiländereck
      Sep 22, 2001 @ 08:31 - Manfred Haertel (Manfred Haertel <Manfred.Haertel@...>)
3914. Andorra east tripoint map
      Hello, I ve attached to this mail the last map of the east tripoint that I ve found. Aas i ve explained in my last message, it s a 1:25.000 map edited by the
      Sep 22, 2001 @ 09:11 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@navegalia.com>)
3915. Atlas of Andorra (more )
      To Brendan: You can get more information in the web of the National Library of Andorra (in english): http://www.andorra.ad/bibnac/angles/index.html They have
      Sep 22, 2001 @ 10:37 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
3916. 3pix from GCEBE-trip
      Dear boundary freaks, a couple of days ago I got my pictures from the great GCEBE - you ll be getting a full report on the net by Jesper - BUT: I couldn t help
      Sep 22, 2001 @ 13:36 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
3917. Fw: [BoundaryPoint] borderline projects
      Andy, Re item 1 below, that looks like an endless task, but how about County quad points? Quite some time ago Michael posted on Boundary Point a tentative list
      Sep 22, 2001 @ 17:03 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
3918. A GCEBE photo
      Grown up men getting excited!! A Büsingen marker Jesper
      Sep 23, 2001 @ 15:56 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
3919. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 3pix from GCEBE-trip
      peter highest congrats & accolades & thanx for the enormously great gcebe i think i can say for all present that it made our day here for many days & was
      Sep 23, 2001 @ 20:49 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3920. Re: [BoundaryPoint] German tripoints
      a big hand for germany & the world & multi congrats to both of you guys especially manfred & kahbeh is that you bernd upon this first punctoscopy & visitation
      Sep 23, 2001 @ 20:50 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3921. Re: Fw: [BoundaryPoint] borderline projects
      jack what a wonderful surprise to find you on the gcebe after all & a vicarious thrill for me to realize you at least of all us yanks have finally made it to
      Sep 23, 2001 @ 20:50 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3922. RE: [BoundaryPoint] GCEBE-Meeting at the tripoint B/NL/D, article Aachener Nachrichten
      multi jan vas ist das a palindromic tripoint how can that be & does it mean you are really headed now for eelvru or are you just doing this to show no
      Sep 23, 2001 @ 20:51 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3923. spontaneous tries
      florence or day 130 havent eaten a serious multipoint myself in over 3 months now since caorus & oruswa way back in june you may recall which btw upon
      Sep 23, 2001 @ 21:55 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3924. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 3pix from GCEBE-trip
      Dear Mike, thanks for your words of appreciation... I think everyone of us enjoyed the GCEBE, despite of some cold and wet weather strikes - a full report to
      Sep 24, 2001 @ 09:45 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
3925. Where is the enclave?
      I’ve attached two maps. I assume that this is tertiary enclave, but my doubt is: if it was a primary one, where would be the mainland and where the enclave?
      Sep 24, 2001 @ 11:02 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@navegalia.com>)
3926. North Korea
      Hi, I got more photos about Panmunjom, from one of the fellow Adrian, during the North Korea trip in August 2001. Enjoy! Andres
      Sep 24, 2001 @ 11:11 - Andres Lauba (=?iso-8859-1?q?Andres=20Lauba?= <andreslb2000@yahoo.co.uk>)
3927. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 3pix from GCEBE-trip
      Mike I was planning a full report on GCEBE, but just for you Mr donner I have prepared the first online tripoint report. Please don t complain about the
      Sep 24, 2001 @ 17:39 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3928. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Where is the enclave?
      My choice is generally onsidering the biggest territory by size to be the mainland and the smaller territory, whatever their importance may be. However,
      Sep 24, 2001 @ 19:18 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
3929. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 3pix from GCEBE-trip
      thanx jesper i will never complain again but hey when did i ever complain anyway your nielsen ratings only keep growing with me m ...
      Sep 24, 2001 @ 22:01 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3930. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 3pix from GCEBE-trip
      thanx peter yes oregon is still absolutely golden & the ore is not gone yet there is even a little covered bridge here that looks like a caricature of the one
      Sep 24, 2001 @ 22:00 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3931. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 3pix from GCEBE-trip
      How about this mystery woman behind Doug? Picture taken in Czech Republic. Jesper i think for most bp fanatics & followers the main mystery man of gcebe may
      Sep 25, 2001 @ 05:08 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
3932. RE: [BoundaryPoint] GCEBE-Meeting at the tripoint B/NL/D, article AachenerNachrichten
      m, Sorry that I forgot not everybody is reading German ;-) In the newspaper text I found the German line quoted, saying (about next year s expedition s dance
      Sep 25, 2001 @ 10:29 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
3933. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Where is the enclave?
      I probably did not follow the Bremen topic all from the beginning, but as far as I know the city of Bremerhaven is an exclave of the state of Bremen, totally
      Sep 25, 2001 @ 10:29 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
3934. Re: Where is the enclave?
      The question was whether there is a small enclave, called Fehrmoor, to the NE of Bremerhaven, belonging to the land of Bremen. But it might not be an enclave.
      Sep 25, 2001 @ 10:41 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3935. Exclaves of exclaves again
      On the topic of enclaves of enclaves, this interesting situation: The municipality of Petilla de Aragón consists of two enclaves of the province and region of
      Sep 25, 2001 @ 10:59 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3936. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Where is the enclave?
      hi peter, i send you the part of the map about fehrmoor, i was talking about in one of my postings. im sorry, but couldnt get it better than in a word
      Sep 25, 2001 @ 13:55 - wertkauf@gmx.net (<wertkauf@gmx.net>)
3937. Re: Where is the enclave?
      Thanks. I did find the map on the Internet myself, I should have told you (so you wouldn t have had to go through all this trouble). The problem is that
      Sep 25, 2001 @ 14:27 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3938. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Where is the enclave?
      In Autoatlas Zentraleuropa by Schaffmann & Kluge, Berlin (1999/2000?), Urban transit route map (1:100.000) of Bremerhaven, Fehrmoor seems visible. But if it is
      Sep 25, 2001 @ 14:41 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@yahoo.no>)
3939. Kloster Fahr
      The Fahr monastery is an enclave of the canton of Aargau in the canton of Zuerich (Switzerland). Some really nice information can be read on the site of the
      Sep 25, 2001 @ 20:08 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3940. German Historical Atlas website
      Whilst surfing around last night I found this website: http://www.hoeckmann.de/index.html There are two items of interest here. Firstly there are historical
      Sep 26, 2001 @ 08:12 - David Birch ("David Birch" <dbirch@...>)
3941. Re: [BoundaryPoint] A GCEBE photo
      You d think the boundary stone was a model. Border paparazzi. Are we really that obsessed? Doug (In Ireland) -- Doug Murray The GCEBE is over. Now the fun
      Sep 26, 2001 @ 09:02 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
3942. Jungholz Treaty translation, part 1
      Hello Brendan, Up to now I have only managed the first 2 sheets. They follow below. A question: Sheet 3 starts in the middle of Article XI. Do you require all
      Sep 27, 2001 @ 14:21 - Bernhard Lurssen (Bernhard Lurssen <tardis@...-net.de>)
3943. Re: [BoundaryPoint] A GCEBE photo
      doug thanx for this clue since i cant access the actual pic pretty freakin obsessed in my minds eye tho m ...
      Sep 27, 2001 @ 20:20 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3944. Re: [BoundaryPoint] German Historical Atlas website
      welcome david & thanx for this incredible stuff i think it will make the experts nuts m ... _________________________________________________________________
      Sep 27, 2001 @ 20:23 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3945. RE: [BoundaryPoint] GCEBE-Meeting at the tripoint B/NL/D, article AachenerNachrichten
      ahh well then you carry our bp torch with you to ltprlu jan our only working torch at the moment too i believe vis tecum m & can you say now definitively is
      Sep 27, 2001 @ 20:30 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3946. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 3pix from GCEBE-trip
      jesper my computer wont show me this picture but just a guess could she be the mysterious russian lady tripointer last reported at manhvt the only known
      Sep 27, 2001 @ 20:34 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3947. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Jungholz Treaty translation, part 1
      Excellent, thank you. Is it not COUNTY of Tyrol, rather than Earldom? *** Sheet 3: only the 1850 treay, in the bottom third of the page,not the end of the 1844
      Sep 28, 2001 @ 01:48 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
3948. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Jungholz Treaty translation, part 1
      ... The terms are equivalent. by the way, I have somewhere (possibly in ) a passage quoted from an act of Queen Mary [Tudor] & King Philip
      Sep 28, 2001 @ 05:17 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
3949. more pictures
      Hi Everyone, I hope I m not sending any repititious picture, because frankly I can t remember exactly which ones I sent last week. Anyway, hopefully you won t
      Sep 28, 2001 @ 15:04 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
3950. more photos
      Here are some more pictures. I hope they are to your liking. Cheers, Dallen 1) This is one of those border reference markers along the Detroit River
      Sep 28, 2001 @ 15:11 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
3951. RE: [BoundaryPoint] more photos
      darren, great, great pictures!!! thoroughly enjoy them. given the golf photos, i have to ask...have you visited either or both of the border straddling golf
      Sep 28, 2001 @ 15:19 - Beckett, Bob ("Beckett, Bob" <Bob.Beckett@...>)
3952. last bunch of pics for today
      Here are some shots from the Liechtenstein-Austria border. Dallen 1) Sorry it s so dark--very rainy day looking into Austria. This picture is a bit
      Sep 28, 2001 @ 15:22 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
3953. RE: [BoundaryPoint] more photos
      Hi Bob, I know of one golf course on the Saskatchewan-ND border, but I haven t been there yet. Where is the other one? Dallen ... From: Beckett, Bob
      Sep 28, 2001 @ 15:26 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
3954. Re: [BoundaryPoint] last bunch of pics for today
      ... Here, I ve equalized the colors using GIMP. -- Anton Sherwood -- br0nt0@p0b0x.com -- http://ogre.nu/ ............ unemployment 2002, here i come!
      Sep 28, 2001 @ 15:52 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@pobox.com>)
3955. RE: [BoundaryPoint] last bunch of pics for today
      Hi Anton, Thanks for shedding some light on the matter. This does bring out the main markers and signs very well. Thanks, Dallen ... From: Anton Sherwood
      Sep 28, 2001 @ 15:49 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
3956. RE: [BoundaryPoint] more photos
      dallen, it is the aroostock valley golf club, located in fort fairfield, maine and four falls, new brunswick. its url is http://www.intellis.net/avcc/ fore,
      Sep 28, 2001 @ 18:33 - Beckett, Bob ("Beckett, Bob" <Bob.Beckett@...>)
3957. Yahoo! Groups Scheduled Maintenance
      The Yahoo! Groups service will be down for scheduled maintenance this Sunday, September 30, from approximately 10PM to 12AM Pacific Standard Time. During this
      Sep 29, 2001 @ 05:10 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
3958. webpage on Andorra-tripoints updated
      I made an update of my webpage on the Andorran tripoints. An English version is available. With special thanks to Marcel Miquel for his research and
      Sep 29, 2001 @ 18:28 - Eef Berns ("Eef Berns" <eefberns@...>)
3959. Re: [BoundaryPoint] webpage on Andorra-tripoints updated
      eef very nice presentation also since andorra was originally an esfr condominium as you indicate the terms of the esfr boundary agreement tho only bilateral &
      Sep 29, 2001 @ 19:42 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3960. Another one?
      Friends, Would someone please like to take a look at this: http://www2.tagesspiegel.de/archiv/1997/07/19/pyrenaeen.html Look for the second occurrence of the
      Sep 30, 2001 @ 18:16 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <blofeld_es@...>)
3961. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Another one?
      Am rechten Ufer des in Frankreich liegenden Lac des Bouilleuses gehört der katalanischen Gemeinde ein Gebiet von knapp 1200 Hektar, auf dem sie
      Sep 30, 2001 @ 19:25 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
3962. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Another one?
      Hi, gehört means belong to. It seems funny, but it tells us, the community is the owner and has rights on it. is this the article, where its written first
      Sep 30, 2001 @ 23:06 - wertkauf@gmx.net (<wertkauf@...>)
3963. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Another one?
      hi, i saw this article too, made a link to it from my little enklave-project at www.enklave.de.vu. it is said in the article, that this other piece of land
      Sep 30, 2001 @ 23:24 - wertkauf@gmx.net (<wertkauf@...>)
3964. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Another one?
      This lake is 2km long, 1km wide, and 8km north of Llivia, on the eastern side of Mt Carlit, on which there is much jointly owned land, used for transhumance.
      Oct 01, 2001 @ 00:51 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
3965. Re: Another one?
      Hello, Brendan is right, but there are not usufruct rights, this forests are owned by Llivia since XIII century. Curiously, last week I found in a bookstore
      Oct 01, 2001 @ 16:17 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
3966. Re: Another one?
      ... are ... Sounds like another virtual enclave Arif is hunting for: no sovereignty, but property (cf. Source of the Seine). The Pyrenees are absolutely full
      Oct 01, 2001 @ 16:49 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3967. Gemeinde Busingen
      Colleagues, This is nothing new, but a nice-looking map that shouldn t be missing from any serious enclavologist s collecttion: This is the large version (1.6
      Oct 01, 2001 @ 17:25 - Geographic Anomalies (Geographic Anomalies <exclaves@...>)
3968. Re: webpage on Andorra-tripoints updated
      Congratulations, Eef. I hope i will have more informations soon. About the word “condominium Spain/France” i think is not the best word, at least for the
      Oct 01, 2001 @ 18:38 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
3969. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Another one?
      Sahlins (1979) Boundaries: the making of France and Spain in the Pyreneees covers the history of the Cerdagne, and thus Llivia, but he does not mention the
      Oct 02, 2001 @ 01:00 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
3970. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Another one?
      Brendan, what makes you so sure about the non-existance of another enclave belonging to Llivia? Peter H. ... From: Brendan Whyte Date: Monday, October 01, 2001
      Oct 01, 2001 @ 07:57 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
3971. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Another one?
      In decreasing order of authority: The treaties of1660 and 1866 that delimited and demarcated the area, Spanish and French maps of the area (1:50,000 Sp, 1:25k,
      Oct 02, 2001 @ 07:56 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
3972. Re: Gemeinde Busingen
      A beautiful map! But who is farmer G.? Peter S.
      Oct 02, 2001 @ 09:20 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3973. Re: Another one?
      The book I’ve mentioned in my previous message explains that, after a trial at the Montpellier’s court ( France ) between the municipalities of Llívia,
      Oct 02, 2001 @ 11:55 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
3974. Country codes
      Some time back we had some discussion about the plethora of alphanumerics that can be used to designate the various countries of the world. Andreas Herzfeld s
      Oct 01, 2001 @ 19:50 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
3975. BEFRLU
      The GCEBE team members have three versions of BEFRLU 1) The fence (border BEFR?) meating the river Chiers 2) A small brook (border BEFR?) meating the river
      Oct 02, 2001 @ 18:15 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
3976. Tajik-Afghan border marker
      http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/p/nm/20010927/wl/imdf27092001102205a.html
      Oct 02, 2001 @ 19:18 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3977. Re: Capitals vs. Borders
      fellow bp cocreators giants kings & indeed divinities todd has suggested sharing this interesting thread & it may well be shameless of us to include such
      Oct 02, 2001 @ 19:54 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
3978. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tajik-Afghan border marker
      Darn! Now there is no need to travel there to take THAT picture. Doug (now in Toronto) -- Doug Murray Productions Sounds+Images+Words +1.604.728.1407 ... [Non
      Oct 02, 2001 @ 21:40 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
3979. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BEFRLU
      Remember, on the LU side of the river, opposit of the other one, was also a half-burried bordermarker. This bordermarker, is my conclusion, is a Belgian
      Oct 02, 2001 @ 21:36 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
3980. Re: Capitals vs. Borders
      ... From personal experience, I think you can strike Uzbekistan and Botswana - Tashkent and Gaborone are near, but not on, international borders. The others
      Oct 02, 2001 @ 21:38 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
3981. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tajik-Afghan border marker
      ... There s no need and you don t have time anyway! You have to produce a video on the GCEBE remember! Nice to know that you finally arrived home also Doug! gl
      Oct 02, 2001 @ 21:52 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
3982. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Capitals vs. Borders
      I would like to add to the capitals vs borders list. Maseru, the capital of Lesotho, is definitely very near the border if not on it. Jerusalem lies kind of on
      Oct 02, 2001 @ 22:21 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
3983. Re: Capitals vs. Borders
      ... Yep, another good one, and again on a river. Liechtenstein, too, has a capital just across the river from another country. On the topic of small countries,
      Oct 02, 2001 @ 23:02 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
3984. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Capitals vs. Borders
      I think you can strike Uzbekistan and ... Before independence as Botswana, British Bechuanaland s administrative capital was Mafeking, outside the
      Oct 03, 2001 @ 00:20 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
3985. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Capitals vs. Borders
      ... Note that Koebenhavn was not on a border before 1658. -- Anton Sherwood -- br0nt0@p0b0x.com -- http://ogre.nu/ ............ unemployment 2002, here i
      Oct 03, 2001 @ 02:19 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
3986. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BEFRLU
      One o clock. Jesper Jesper, how is the orientation of your little drawing? Where is north? gl Harry ten Veen Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Your use of
      Oct 03, 2001 @ 04:33 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
3987. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Capitals vs. Borders
      I agree with Lome, Togo s inclusion on this list. I was just at the Ghana-Togo border last March. On the Ghana side, it s a small town called Aflao, but
      Oct 03, 2001 @ 04:39 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
3988. Re: Capitals vs. Borders
      On a secundary level, there is that strange situation of Chandigarh being the capital of two Indian states, Punjab and Haryana, but being outside of them. It
      Oct 03, 2001 @ 09:05 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3989. Re: Capitals vs. Borders
      ... called ... the ... If we re willing to include state/provincial/regional capitals in this group, then as far as I recall Providence, Rhode Island is right
      Oct 03, 2001 @ 09:13 - Asher Samuels ("Asher Samuels" <asher972@...>)
3990. Capitals of higher level are not capitals of lower level
      The title of this mail is probably not very clear to all, but what I mean is the following: Amsterdam is the capital of the Netherlands, but is _not_ the
      Oct 03, 2001 @ 09:23 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
3991. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Capitals of higher level are not capitals of lower level
      ... Ottawa is the capital of Canada, but the capital of Ontario (the province in which it is located) is Toronto.
      Oct 03, 2001 @ 09:41 - Asher Samuels (Asher Samuels <asher972@...>)
3992. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Capitals of higher level are not capitals of lower level
      Bonn was the former Capital of Germany, but the Capital of Nordrhein-Westfahlen, where Bonn is situated, is Düsseldorf. bye, chris ... From: Asher Samuels
      Oct 03, 2001 @ 10:01 - wertkauf@gmx.net (<wertkauf@...>)
3993. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Capitals vs. Borders
      I m not sure that the capital city of Providence itself is up against the state border at any point...the adjoining city of East Providence is though. Bill
      Oct 03, 2001 @ 11:12 - Jane Hanrahan (Jane Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
3994. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BEFRLU
      I have added the three photos that I took at this tripoint, to my website. Please take a look in the European section of
      Oct 03, 2001 @ 11:47 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
3995. Büttenhardter Höfe (???)
      Do you know about this “customs exclave” named Büttenhardter Höfe? Where is it? It’s a “true enclave”? “The economic territory of Germany is
      Oct 03, 2001 @ 13:33 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
3996. Re: Büttenhardter Höfe (???)
      ... Büttenhardter Höfe? ... I found this text at http://www.schaffhausen.net/buettenhardt/gemeinde.html Bis Ende 1967 befand sich inmitten von Büttenhardt
      Oct 03, 2001 @ 14:19 - David Birch ("David Birch" <dbirch@...>)
3997. Re: Büttenhardter H öfe (???)
      Thanks! When I ve seen Verenahof I ve understood what was about. Marcel ... __________________________________________________________________ ¿Quieres
      Oct 03, 2001 @ 16:34 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
3998. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BEFRLU
      harry not sure but i think i followed your instruction yet found only the old photo there does it need another fix m ...
      Oct 03, 2001 @ 18:49 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
3999. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Capitals vs. Borders
      thanx bill it is close but my map thinks you are right too m ... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of
      Oct 03, 2001 @ 18:51 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4000. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Capitals of higher level are not capitals of lower level
      i would agree capitals of higher level are not necessarily nor usually capitals of lower level & i dont honestly know but i bet we could find a capital of
      Oct 03, 2001 @ 18:59 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4001. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Capitals vs. Borders
      this is truly awesome can you elaborate further or point to maps m ... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download
      Oct 03, 2001 @ 19:01 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4002. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Capitals vs. Borders
      thanx anton also my hunch about koebenhavn & all the many other capitals that face outside their country across wide bodies of water is that their city limits
      Oct 03, 2001 @ 19:06 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4003. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Capitals vs. Borders
      thank you thank you in this case the fewer the merrier m ... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN
      Oct 03, 2001 @ 19:07 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4004. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Capitals vs. Borders
      thank you thank you where truth is concerned the more the merrier too m ... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE
      Oct 03, 2001 @ 19:10 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4005. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Capitals vs. Borders
      right arif you have beaten me to the point the breadth of the body of water is critical if city limits & visibility are really the issues the delaware at
      Oct 03, 2001 @ 19:16 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4006. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Capitals vs. Borders
      grant wonderful to learn of any street plan in the third world also there could be a side balcony so we cant rule it out yet will you be going back soon m ...
      Oct 03, 2001 @ 19:21 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4007. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BEFRLU
      excellent mess you guys better than mnndsd & ohpawv combined a forgotten swamp in an industrial wasteland could take years of additional research & slogging
      Oct 03, 2001 @ 19:33 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4008. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Gemeinde Busingen
      i wish i could see the map too but this site has resisted for days is busingen really an exclave & what about farmer g m ...
      Oct 03, 2001 @ 19:46 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4009. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Capitals of higher level are not capitals of lower level
      I stand corrected on Providence, Rhode Island. In the future I ll check more accurate maps before posting. ...
      Oct 03, 2001 @ 22:54 - Asher Samuels (Asher Samuels <asher972@...>)
4010. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Büttenhardter Höfe (???)
      VerenaHof was on the NW side of Buettenhardt village, and existed as a Baden exclave until 1967, when it was traded for equivalent area in a series of slivers
      Oct 04, 2001 @ 00:47 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
4011. Triangle salient at ATHU
      Just before GCEBE crossed into HU from AT, we visited a triangle salient. I have uploaded a map and a few pix on
      Oct 04, 2001 @ 05:09 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
4012. Togo
      ... That was Dallen who d been there - I just have a map :( Grant
      Oct 04, 2001 @ 09:56 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
4013. Estonian-Russian border
      Hi, Here is the internet address: www.etv.ee/etvlive/pealtn3.ram This is a video made by Estonian Television about Estonian-Russian border where the
      Oct 04, 2001 @ 14:48 - andreslb2000@yahoo.co.uk (andreslb2000@...)
4014. web pages with chfrit tripoint photos
      I’ve found a couple of pages on the net with photos of the Mt. Dolent’s summit, the chfrit tripoint:
      Oct 04, 2001 @ 15:07 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
4015. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BEFRLU
      BEFRLU from the French authorites: France-Belgium border is a very little stream, with trees along, wich go to river la Chiers . The tripoint is on the border
      Oct 04, 2001 @ 17:25 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
4016. NYTimes.com Article: Vast U.S.-Canada Border Suddenly Poses a Problem
      This article from NYTimes.com has been sent to you by hanrahan@kua.net. NY Times article: Vast U.S.-Canada Border Suddenly Poses a Problem hanrahan@kua.net
      Oct 04, 2001 @ 17:43 - hanrahan@kua.net (hanrahan@...)
4017. Jungholz Treaty translation, next step
      Hello Brendan, I have managed a few more paragraphs. However, my email program has destroyed your last mail, where you asked me to check a section you had
      Oct 04, 2001 @ 17:56 - Bernhard Lurssen (Bernhard Lurssen <tardis@...-net.de>)
4018. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BEFRLU
      I ve just checked it. It should be OK michael! On the page European objects click on the little photo next to the text Tripoint Belgium/France/Luxembourg .
      Oct 04, 2001 @ 21:21 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
4019. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BEFRLU
      so the new tripoint has been conceived at least bilaterally but not yet ratified & the new monument of course hasnt been erected yet either in the meantime
      Oct 04, 2001 @ 21:34 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4020. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Estonian-Russian border
      Andres, nice video, but please give some explanation as it is hard for me to understand what is going on. Crossing is easy, just jump across. Thats what the
      Oct 04, 2001 @ 22:12 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
4021. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BEFRLU
      ah so it does indeed work that way thanx harry & now it sounds & looks as tho the extant legal tripoint position might well be situated not at any present
      Oct 04, 2001 @ 22:20 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4022. Re: [BoundaryPoint] web pages with chfrit tripoint photos
      another gorgeous armchair tripoint journey marcel rivalled perhaps only by our earlier trip to brgyve is that a christ figure at the summit & does the crown of
      Oct 04, 2001 @ 22:44 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4023. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Capitals of higher level are not capitals of lower level
      ... thats perfectly ok your participation is the important thing also led me to check both cities more carefully & happily i found topozone shows trenton city
      Oct 04, 2001 @ 22:48 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4024. Removal of African border fences
      Age, Melboure, Fri 5 Oct 2001 Fences come down for game reserve Phalaborwa. Border fences between South Africa, Zimbabwe and Mozambique will come down to allow
      Oct 05, 2001 @ 00:06 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
4025. Fwd: Jungholz and the Euro
      ... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
      Oct 05, 2001 @ 00:17 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
4026. Re: [BoundaryPoint] web pages with chfrit tripoint photos
      ... hm, in 1276 neither France nor Spain was a unitary state! Andorra s heads of state are the bishop of Urgel (in Spain) and the count of Foix. The county
      Oct 05, 2001 @ 05:28 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4027. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
      Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File :
      Oct 05, 2001 @ 16:19 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com ( <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>)
4028. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
      Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File :
      Oct 05, 2001 @ 16:22 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com ( <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>)
4029. Re: Airports near boundaries
      In response to message #2691, I have added two files to the archives. Pinecree.gif is the page from the Minnesota Airport Directory for Pinecreek Airport.
      Oct 05, 2001 @ 16:26 - exfed2002@yahoo.com (exfed2002@...)
4030. Re: Airports near boundaries
      Many thanks for the Pinecreek airport diagram! I ve checked the AOPA Airport Directory for the last several years, but unfortunately they haven t published a
      Oct 05, 2001 @ 17:52 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
4031. Re: [BoundaryPoint] web pages with chfrit tripoint photos
      thanx anton i appreciate this distinction one source also indicates that andorra has been paying annual tribute or tax continuously since 1133 albeit in
      Oct 05, 2001 @ 22:33 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4032. re closest national capital to anchorage
      dear randy while looking at a north polar map recently i have come to realize that my earlier guesses of pyongyang & ulan bator may possibly be bettered by
      Oct 05, 2001 @ 22:40 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4033. Re: [BoundaryPoint] re closest national capital to anchorage
      ... *I* have a globe and a bit of string! Ottawa Reykjavik, Washington Tokyo Mexico Pyongyang, Havana (Of the comma-pairs, I can t say for sure which comes
      Oct 06, 2001 @ 05:06 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4034. Re: Another one?
      I ve attached a map of the Llivia s properties in France. The grey zone on the bottom is the northern part of the enclave. The pink zone are the Llivia s
      Oct 06, 2001 @ 09:23 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
4035. RE: Another one?
      Ooops! Here is the file. Sorry Marcel __________________________________________________________________ ¿Quieres asistir a un concierto único e irrepetible
      Oct 06, 2001 @ 09:39 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@navegalia.com>)
4036. Re: re closest national capital to anchorage
      ... And *I* have a calculator that does spherical trig! ... Taking coordinates from my old Times Atlas, I get: Ottawa: 4930km Washington: 5420km
      Oct 06, 2001 @ 18:18 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4037. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: re closest national capital to anchorage
      & i am so glad you are both here in strength m ... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at
      Oct 06, 2001 @ 18:25 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4038. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
      Dear Brendan You wouldn t have the map also for the southern part of the Mutzenich enclave? The part where proper Belgium meets the railway, and the big
      Oct 06, 2001 @ 19:44 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
4039. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
      no, because the gap between those 2 southern enclaves falls on the junction of 4 maps, and as the Belgian land is left blank, I didn t want to pay for maps
      Oct 08, 2001 @ 00:24 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
4040. Point Roberts Article(s)
      Just found this (dated June 2000) article on Point Roberts, WA: http://seattlep-i.nwsource.com/getaways/062900/prob29.html Anything regarding crossing the
      Oct 08, 2001 @ 17:34 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
4041. Jungholz Treaty translation - all of it
      Hello Brendan, here is the translation of all 10 sheets as one file. Note: The suggestion that Earldom should be replaced by County sounds good to me, no
      Oct 08, 2001 @ 18:18 - Bernhard Lurssen (Bernhard Lurssen <tardis@...-net.de>)
4042. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Jungholz Treaty translation - all of it
      bernhard no need to apologize for being huge here your devotion is prodigious & just right m ...
      Oct 08, 2001 @ 20:08 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4043. re andorra condo or nondo
      eef marcel anton & all adesfre fideles the true origins of the annually alternating tributary relationship between andorra & the relevant authorities on either
      Oct 08, 2001 @ 20:11 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4044. fine tuning chfrit
      about that human probably christ figure on chfrit one of the pix marcel brought in message 4014 seems to indicate that it stands not upon the natural summit
      Oct 08, 2001 @ 20:09 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4045. crazy but true
      source bus&ss pp 85 thru 91 mdva evidently runs along the low water mark of the potomac but dcva runs along the high water mark this inconsistency in itself
      Oct 08, 2001 @ 20:12 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4046. re capitals of higher levels are not capitals of lower levels
      the captioned observation by peter in messages 3991 & 4000 evidently holds true in holland & substantial parts of the world class but a quick check of the usa
      Oct 08, 2001 @ 20:11 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4047. Nearest to Anchorage...
      The following URLs and book will give great circle distances between places. The nijix site has applets for map projections as well, allowing you to see how
      Oct 09, 2001 @ 00:46 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
4048. Re: Jungholz Treaty translation - all of it
      While I also appreciate Bernhard s efforts in translating the treaty, surely it would have been more appropriate to make the text available as a file on the
      Oct 09, 2001 @ 09:08 - Martin Pratt ("Martin Pratt" <m.a.pratt@...>)
4049. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
      Who can provide the best scanned map of the area? Jesper ... From: Brendan Whyte To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 2:24 AM
      Oct 09, 2001 @ 18:48 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
4050. Some one got inspired....
      http://www.chris.obyrne.com/Fun/Tripoints/ Jesper
      Oct 09, 2001 @ 19:21 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
4051. Fw: Re:Tripoint Belgium-France-Luxembourg
      ... From: Michel BACCHUS To: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 2:30 PM Subject: Re:
      Oct 09, 2001 @ 19:52 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
4052. Re: Jungholz Treaty translation - all of it
      I d like to add my voice to Martin s: the repeated whanging around of large numbers of bytes offends my parsimonious Scottish Presbyterian soul. (Although I do
      Oct 09, 2001 @ 21:13 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4053. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Jungholz Treaty translation - all of it
      martin you are absolutely right thank y o u also personally i think bernhard was great & right too & i just wanted to pay him that tribute but i agree now
      Oct 09, 2001 @ 21:30 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4054. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Some one got inspired....
      countries reporting secondary tripointing development 6 ireland 5 germany 4 holland 3 canada 2 oz 1 usa m ...
      Oct 09, 2001 @ 21:31 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4055. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fw: Re:Tripoint Belgium-France-Luxembourg
      jesper but isnt he referring to the new watercourse you mention in message 4015 which is not yet the official tripoint for lack of parliamentary confirmation
      Oct 09, 2001 @ 21:32 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4056. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Jungholz Treaty translation - all of it
      thank you too grant but really martins text was not unneeded & i did have it coming m ... _________________________________________________________________ Get
      Oct 09, 2001 @ 21:36 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4057. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
      The Belgian 1:10k sheet would be 50/3 Nord, but it was not yet published in the new series when I was in Brussels last year. I have both Belg and German 25k
      Oct 10, 2001 @ 02:54 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
4058. Re: Jungholz Treaty translation - all of it
      ... Ah now, it was not my meaning that Martin s text was unneeded on its first outing, just that for me to echo it in its entirety would be an act of
      Oct 10, 2001 @ 18:44 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4059. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Jungholz Treaty translation - all of it
      ... An other big advantage of not including the (complete) text of the previous message is when searching the archive (own or at BP). You might get many hits,
      Oct 10, 2001 @ 18:54 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
4060. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Some one got inspired....
      ... AccidentalI, I just added the tripoint Drenthe/Friesland/Groningen to the page: Objects on borders of Dutch provinces; section Provincial. Click on the
      Oct 10, 2001 @ 20:18 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
4061. PUBL.- Koichiev, National-Territorial Delimitation in Ferghana Valley
      Those interested in the Central Asian boundaries and who read russian may like to obtain a copy of: Koichiev A., National-Territorial Delimitation in the
      Oct 11, 2001 @ 02:57 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
4062. Fwd: Great circle distances
      In from a colleague. Buy the book, or use the formula. BW ... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN
      Oct 11, 2001 @ 10:02 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
4063. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fwd: Great circle distances
      ... I use, and recommend to programmers, a form that is easier to remember. It is quicker if, for example, you have a list of points and you want to find all
      Oct 11, 2001 @ 15:28 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4064. Re: Fwd: Great circle distances
      If anyone wants, I can e-mail or post my little spherical distance calculator in VB2. If you already have VBRUN200.DLL sitting somewhere in your SYSTEM
      Oct 11, 2001 @ 18:36 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4065. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Jungholz Treaty translation - all of it
      hahahahaha etc for hours really grant & to think i didnt even know the supererogatory & the otiose were contiguous & i can never forgive you never having
      Oct 11, 2001 @ 20:39 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4066. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Some one got inspired....
      nice presentation harry is there a complete layout of the dutch tripoints coming also glad to change to the netherlands but is holland out of style m ...
      Oct 11, 2001 @ 20:40 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4067. Re: Jungholz Treaty translation - all of it
      ... There s a poorly-surveyed tripoint with effete, apparently. Grant
      Oct 11, 2001 @ 23:14 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4068. Holland
      m donner wrote: ... No, but they mean different things. -- Anton Sherwood -- br0nt0@p0b0x.com -- http://ogre.nu/ ............ unemployment
      Oct 12, 2001 @ 04:04 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4069. adesfre. New scan.
      Hello. I’ve found the french 1:25k map that Eef had seen, marking the adesfre tripoint on the bordermarker n. 427. The attached scan is from this map,
      Oct 12, 2001 @ 13:25 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@navegalia.com>)
4070. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Some one got inspired....
      ... No, I have only one more to publish. I suspect Bernd Kueck of preparing a webpage on Dutch tripoints on his site!! ... Holland is only a part of The
      Oct 12, 2001 @ 18:42 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
4071. One last time
      For some reason, my emails are not getting though to BP. I shall try a direct post. Here s what I ve been trying to send: I ve set up a Geocities website to
      Oct 12, 2001 @ 23:35 - Doug ("Doug " <dmurray@...>)
4072. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Some one got inspired....
      ... yes right i wouldve preferred holland because it uses fewer keystrokes but i agree correctness is better than brevity for me the really strange part about
      Oct 12, 2001 @ 22:24 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4073. GCEBE Link
      I ve set up a Geocities website to put all the my GCEBE video captures and photos. Bear with me, this is going to take some time. There are a couple of test
      Oct 12, 2001 @ 21:25 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
4074. GCEBE Link
      I ve set up a Geocities website to put all the my GCEBE video captures and photos. Bear with me, this is going to take some time. There are a couple of test
      Oct 12, 2001 @ 21:22 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
4075. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Jungholz Treaty translation - all of it
      ... ahh that would be the mystic efotsu our first multipointedly multipointless multipoint follow me men who has the map m
      Oct 12, 2001 @ 22:26 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4076. Attempt #2 to send my GCEBE link
      I ve set up a Geocities website to put all the my GCEBE video captures and photos. Bear with me, this is going to take some time. There are a couple of test
      Oct 12, 2001 @ 22:42 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
4077. Re: [BoundaryPoint] One last time
      ... Dunno about others, but I got a total of four copies of this announcement. -- Anton Sherwood -- br0nt0@p0b0x.com -- http://ogre.nu/ ............
      Oct 13, 2001 @ 03:25 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4078. SirCam Ready to Drop Payload (fwd)
      I never got any of the email virus that made the news, presumably because my correspondents are more clued than most. Except for SirCam. I ve received about
      Oct 13, 2001 @ 04:27 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4079. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Some one got inspired....
      ... I imagine that phrase came into use to distinguish those territories from the rest of Low Germany. ... It s because the word is older than the distinction.
      Oct 13, 2001 @ 02:59 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4080. re anchorage & great circles & voronoi
      another question please for randy anton grant brendan &or anyone else who has built or followed this thread given all these tools for determining great circle
      Oct 13, 2001 @ 19:09 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4081. Borderpix Austria-Slovenia
      Dear boundary mates, attached two pictures from the Austrian-Slovenian border at Sulzthal a.d. Weinstrasse, along the socalled Südsteirische Weinstrasse -
      Oct 13, 2001 @ 20:37 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
4082. Re: re anchorage & great circles & voronoi
      ... populated place ... national ... Somewhere near the South Pole must edge out Anchorage, since that would be 45 degrees = 5000km from the nearest capital
      Oct 14, 2001 @ 01:34 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4083. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Borderpix Austria-Slovenia
      ... YU not JU ? -- Anton Sherwood -- br0nt0@p0b0x.com -- http://ogre.nu/ ............ unemployment 2002, here i come! ............
      Oct 14, 2001 @ 03:12 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4084. Baarle plaques
      While writing up my notes, I found photos of some plaques at Baarle which I can t read. Can someone please translate these for the group? Thank you! 1. Plaque
      Oct 14, 2001 @ 03:12 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
4085. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Borderpix Austria-Slovenia
      Well Anton, frankly, I don t remember... but I think you might be right here... when crossing into the old Yugoslavia - from Austria -you were welcomed by a
      Oct 14, 2001 @ 08:16 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
4086. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Baarle plaques
      I will translate the text of the three plaques. I have photos of those, so I can compare if all texts are spelled as should be. But I need some time...; give
      Oct 14, 2001 @ 18:16 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
4087. Re: [BoundaryPoint] GCEBE Link
      ... Very nice effort Doug! Very nice site you are setting up! Nice people on your photos! I very much like the name of the site! Somebody got inspired. gl
      Oct 14, 2001 @ 18:32 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
4088. our first cubic multipoint
      harry anton &al the 1961 oed & 1971 web3 both flatly equate holland with the netherlands & i have now also learned to recognize within the true nederland the
      Oct 14, 2001 @ 22:51 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4089. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: re anchorage & great circles & voronoi
      thanx grant brrr & may i then safely conclude that the most capitally distant populated place on earth is the south pole or might those crazy voronoi lines
      Oct 14, 2001 @ 22:58 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4090. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: re anchorage & great circles & voronoi
      ... well, the lonely spot would be a Voronoi vertex. -- Anton Sherwood -- br0nt0@p0b0x.com -- http://ogre.nu/ ............ unemployment 2002, here i come!
      Oct 15, 2001 @ 01:08 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4091. Canadian Broadcasting Corp. radio broadcast on Point Roberts, WA
      Our state broadcaster, the CBC, had an interesting story on the effects of new US border security on the people who live in Point Roberts, WA. It has become a
      Oct 15, 2001 @ 02:25 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
4092. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Canadian Broadcasting Corp. radio broadcast on Point Roberts, WA
      It sounds exactly like it has been the last five years for us in Lithuania when we are going by car to Poland. Earlier it was much worse. In 1991-93 it was not
      Oct 15, 2001 @ 11:24 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
4093. Re: re anchorage & great circles & voronoi
      ... Well, my suggestion was very much just a first good counterexample to Anchorage. I m sure there s room for improvement in the northern hemisphere -
      Oct 15, 2001 @ 14:02 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
4094. Centre of Asia marker
      Here s a picture of the Tuvan marker at the alleged centre of Asia: http://www.fotuva.org/travel/images/centre.jpg Grant
      Oct 15, 2001 @ 14:35 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
4095. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Centre of Asia marker
      Where is the marker (apart from at the center of Asia of course :-) )? ... From: granthutchison@cs.com To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October
      Oct 15, 2001 @ 15:26 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
4096. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: re anchorage & great circles & voronoi
      ... A naive algorithm - such as I wrote in my long-ago student days - is quartic (n^4); but n log n methods exist. http://www.geom.umn.edu/software/qhull/ --
      Oct 15, 2001 @ 15:41 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4097. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Canadian Broadcasting Corp. radio broadcast on Point Roberts, WA
      That must be incredibly difficult to deal with. Is there anywhere on the web that has an archive of stories that discuss this? And, as to the panic gripping
      Oct 15, 2001 @ 19:11 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
4098. Re: re anchorage & great circles & voronoi
      ... My favourite! ... So polynomial time, then - my wild imaginings were wrong. ... Qhull looks like something simultaneously potent and misleading to the
      Oct 15, 2001 @ 19:48 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4099. Re: re anchorage & great circles & voronoi
      ... Do I really think that? I think not. I think I mean that the average of the *radii* of the voronoi tiles at that vertex is going to be higher than for any
      Oct 15, 2001 @ 20:00 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4100. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: re anchorage & great circles & voronoi
      grant your comprehensive strivings & findings in all these many directions at once & in others i couldnt figure out how to attach gratify me enormously also
      Oct 15, 2001 @ 21:57 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4101. Re: [BoundaryPoint] GCEBE Link
      i agree doug & harry &al it is hard to keep from multicongratulating all you guys i know it is redundant but i just cant help it & feel it will redound to your
      Oct 15, 2001 @ 22:12 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4102. & not only that
      that lackadaisical otsu line terminating at efotsu the effete meets at its other terminus at the effhead the laffable ineffable & the tripoint laotsu m
      Oct 15, 2001 @ 22:19 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4103. Re: Centre of Asia marker
      ... ) )? I ve sent this before but it hasn t appeared, though subsequent messages have. No doubt both postings will now appear simultaneously. The obelisk is
      Oct 15, 2001 @ 22:20 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4104. Re: & not only that
      ... Grant
      Oct 15, 2001 @ 22:22 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4105. Minor Spanish possessions in Morocco
      I m trying to find out more about the three Spanish penal colonies in Morocco: Velez de la Gomera, Alhucemas and the Chaferinas.
      Oct 16, 2001 @ 00:25 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4106. Minor Spanish possessions in Morocco
      I m trying to find out more about the three Spanish penal colonies in Morocco: Velez de la Gomera, Alhucemas and the Chaferinas.
      Oct 16, 2001 @ 00:26 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4107. Oops
      Sorry for a double posting. I just clicked the button twice ... Grant
      Oct 16, 2001 @ 00:27 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4108. Re: Minor Spanish possessions in Morocco
      This islands are now military zones. You can found some information and photos on this web ( in spanish ): peñon de velez
      Oct 16, 2001 @ 06:39 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
4109. Re: Minor Spanish possessions in Morocco
      ... Thanks for this. Babelfish made the usual amusing translation for me. It s nice to see the picture of Velez de la Gomera (looking very spectacular). So
      Oct 16, 2001 @ 18:37 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4110. Re: [BoundaryPoint] GCEBE Link
      Thanks for all the kind words! Yes, it will be a challenge making this into half and hour. Maybe it ll be an hour! And a Point Roberts premiere is brilliant!
      Oct 16, 2001 @ 20:02 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
4111. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Minor Spanish possessions in Morocco
      There are a few things I want to mention on the Spanish possessions. I have maps which are 1:50,000 of the possessions and 1:5,000 orthophotos. Unfortunately
      Oct 16, 2001 @ 20:04 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
4112. Re: [BoundaryPoint] GCEBE Link
      do it & i will man the far side for you m & there are caus tripoints right there on both beaches ...
      Oct 16, 2001 @ 20:47 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4113. holland n all oh
      harry & anton &al perhaps the most interesting fact about the name holland nearly escaped us which is that it is a trickster for clearly it does not mean
      Oct 16, 2001 @ 20:48 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4114. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Oops
      ... hmm they took 6k & 8k pal & now youre up to 17k in all but we are building monuments to frivolity arent we & your topic is appropriately breathtaking
      Oct 16, 2001 @ 20:48 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4115. Re: Minor Spanish possessions in Morocco
      ... The second website I gave has a rather shakey scan of a maritime chart, showing all three islands. But you re right, it s not responding at present. Odd,
      Oct 16, 2001 @ 21:16 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4116. Re: Oops
      ... The irony is not lost upon me. Hoist by my own plus tard, as it were. The sandspit with the 60m Moroccan-Spanish border is yet another way in which the
      Oct 16, 2001 @ 23:10 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4117. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Minor Spanish possessions in Morocco
      ... The side is working OK now! And Arif and others: If you look for Niegehörn (Hamburgisches Wattenmeer) and click on Neuwerk you will get an aerial photo
      Oct 10, 2001 @ 17:30 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
4118. Re: re capitals of higher levels are not capitals of lower levels
      The caption was the odd situation and exception I was curious about, not the rule... Peter S. PS I just returned from a holiday after a wedding (my own), and
      Oct 17, 2001 @ 18:17 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4119. Boundary marker question
      I have a photo from the GCEBE that shows an old, mossy border marker with the letter P and either No 1 or N I on it. I believe this is near the
      Oct 17, 2001 @ 18:36 - Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com ("Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com" <dmurray@...>)
4120. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Boundary marker question
      It was in the back yard of the shop at DEFRLU. NI was on the French side. P was on the border line side. Jesper ... From: Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com
      Oct 17, 2001 @ 18:39 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
4121. Re: holland n all oh
      Let me give it a try... Just as wrong as calling all of the UK just England, or as wrong as it was to call the Soviet Union just plain Russia, it is wrong to
      Oct 17, 2001 @ 18:46 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4122. Re: re andorra condo or nondo
      ... (a.o.) ... designed to ... I d like to know how the Afghan panhandle came into existence! But the Namibian one was, as far as I know, not designed as a
      Oct 17, 2001 @ 19:16 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4123. Wakhan Corridor
      Now what I am saying may be an urban (desert?) legend, but maybe not. The tail of Afghanistan is the Wakhan corridor. Russian imperialism in the late 19th
      Oct 17, 2001 @ 19:30 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
4124. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Wakhan Corridor
      Are there any Afghan-China border crossings? Jesper ... From: Arif Samad To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 9:30 PM Subject:
      Oct 17, 2001 @ 19:32 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
4125. Re: Wakhan Corridor
      ... If it is, I ve read the same legend - somewhere in Peter Hopkirk s various volumes on the history of Central Asia, he says that the Wakhan Corridor was
      Oct 17, 2001 @ 19:34 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4126. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: holland n all oh
      ... first major congrats & welcome back peter i guessed you were in the field again & you are very interesting as usual here i think what we or maybe it was
      Oct 17, 2001 @ 19:44 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4127. Peter has married
      ... Congratulations Peter and Connie!!! Van harte gefeliciteerd!! Don t spend to much time at BP in this stage of your marriage Peter. Slowly let your wife get
      Oct 17, 2001 @ 19:46 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
4128. Re: Peter has married
      Thanks! It s just one of my many hobbies, weird or normal. I think she is used to it by now. I crossed benl and befr a couple of times, and (I couldn t help
      Oct 17, 2001 @ 19:57 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4129. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Boundary marker question
      This is the marker that normally is covered bij a flat-stone. You put your business-card under it, remember. It was in the garden of the Dutch
      Oct 17, 2001 @ 20:14 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
4130. Re: holland n all oh
      ... meaning is ... Is there not also some consideration of courtesy (as I think you have alluded to already in this thread) to call a country by the name it
      Oct 17, 2001 @ 22:58 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4131. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Peter has married
      Peter, congratulations to you both...that s wonderful news! Bill
      Oct 18, 2001 @ 01:07 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
4132. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: holland n all oh
      It all comes down to historic practice. With old countries there are usually various foreign versions of names for the capital, country, main rivers and other
      Oct 18, 2001 @ 01:52 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
4133. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Boundary marker question
      ... Prussia as the noun and therefore Prussian as the adjective. BW _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of
      Oct 18, 2001 @ 01:57 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
4134. Wakhan panhandling
      The histories of, and maps showing, the Afghan-Russian and afghan-Paki, and Afghan-Chinese boundaries are detailed in Prof Prescott s books: Frontiers of Asia
      Oct 18, 2001 @ 02:05 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
4135. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: holland n all oh
      The Kingdom of Holland was the correct name under Louis Bonaparte and William of Orange 1805-10 and 1813-15 respectively. Only with the addition of the
      Oct 18, 2001 @ 02:17 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
4136. Re: Wakhan Corridor
      ... There was an article in the UK newspaper The Sunday Telegraph on Sept 23rd about the Afghan-China border. Most of it was rambling on about possibilities
      Oct 18, 2001 @ 08:16 - David Birch ("David Birch" <dbirch@...>)
4137. WDC and Puerto Rico
      Colleagues, I d really appreciate some input on the following matters: District of Columbia - What was the rationale for making the area diamond shaped, if
      Oct 18, 2001 @ 08:25 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <blofeld_es@...>)
4138. SV: [BoundaryPoint] WDC and Puerto Rico
      ... From: Mats Hessman To: Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:25 AM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] WDC and
      Oct 18, 2001 @ 10:47 - Christian Berghänel (=?Windows-1252?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
4139. East Timorese exclave
      See http://www.un.org/Depts/Cartographic/map/profile/timoreg.pdf for a nice map of East Timor (currently a UN dependency but I think quite soon to be country
      Oct 18, 2001 @ 11:43 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
4140. Re: holland n all oh
      ... Now that Belgium is gone again, shouldn t ... No. For the simple reason that many people in the Netherlands wouldn t like it and some would even be
      Oct 18, 2001 @ 12:55 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4141. Re: [BoundaryPoint] WDC and Puerto Rico
      Okay, I ll flaunt my ignorance ... ... The Constitution specifies that the federal seat shall be a district (not exceeding ten miles square) . The southern
      Oct 18, 2001 @ 15:28 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4142. US hist flags, was: WDC and Puerto Rico
      ... Ah, here we go. http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/us-ststr.html There are illustrations for each of the forms, but note the bottom of this page: the
      Oct 18, 2001 @ 15:55 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4143. GCEBE on the Radio
      Your s truly was interviewed for a Canadian radio programme called Basic Black (Host Arthur Black). It s a funny chat show that runs 90 minutes (many
      Oct 18, 2001 @ 16:41 - Doug ("Doug " <dmurray@...>)
4144. RE: [BoundaryPoint] GCEBE on the Radio
      Good job Doug. Way to build awareness of our peculiar hobby! By the way, maybe you (or anyone else ?) knows about something I ve been thinking about lately.
      Oct 18, 2001 @ 16:53 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
4145. telephone enclave
      By the way, it s not Point Roberts, as it has a regular Washington area code, etc. Dallen
      Oct 18, 2001 @ 16:55 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
4146. [BoundaryPoint] One area code, 2 countries
      RE: [BoundaryPoint] GCEBE on the RadioYes, there is such a place: Hyder, Alaska. It s also an interesting border point (surprise!). Here s what I found: An
      Oct 18, 2001 @ 17:23 - Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com ("Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com" <dmurray@...>)
4147. Re: [BoundaryPoint] telephone enclave
      telephone enclavePoint Roberts used to be in 604 until the mid-80 s, as telephone service was provided by BC Tel. It was taken over by Whatcom Telephone --
      Oct 18, 2001 @ 17:24 - Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com ("Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com" <dmurray@...>)
4148. Re: [BoundaryPoint] telephone enclave
      telephone enclaveMore on Stewart, BC/Hyder Alaska, including a nice picture of the border -- what a location! - is at the following site:
      Oct 18, 2001 @ 17:32 - Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com ("Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com" <dmurray@...>)
4149. RE: [BoundaryPoint] One area code, 2 countries
      Doug, I checked out the website on Hyder and Stewart. Very nice. Is there a road between the two towns? I believe you can order the book directly from the
      Oct 18, 2001 @ 19:01 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
4150. Peters wedding!
      I also want to congratulate you. We saw each other in Baarle during the GCEBE. Good luck for your marriage. Regards Thomas ... about,
      Oct 18, 2001 @ 20:04 - Thomas Messer ("Thomas Messer" <thomas.messer@...>)
4151. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: re andorra condo or nondo
      yes well i guess i am already vindicated on wakhan by others but for kaprivi consider this 19th century scenario all of africa is in the process of being
      Oct 18, 2001 @ 20:08 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4152. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Peters wedding!
      I will throw my hat into the ring as well and offer my congratulations! Doug -- Doug Murray Productions Sounds+Images+Words +1.604.728.1407 ... [Non text/plain
      Oct 18, 2001 @ 20:13 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
4153. Re: [BoundaryPoint] WDC and Puerto Rico
      ... thats ok mine is probably greater & i do believe the usa gave virginia back all the right bank lands before the secession of va from the usa but my bus&ss
      Oct 18, 2001 @ 20:14 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4154. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: holland n all oh
      very nice you guys also i think the particular delusion about holland may be worldwide & not restricted to english considering how they say dutch &or the
      Oct 18, 2001 @ 20:20 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4155. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Oops
      ... ah but now you have found it the elusive evanescent line to go with the disappearing hummingbird tripoints around aves island & i would lend my
      Oct 18, 2001 @ 20:37 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4156. just joined the list; question about SW corner of PA, USA
      First, I want to say it s great to find this list! I am particularly interested in travelling to USA state points and recently travelled to my first
      Oct 18, 2001 @ 21:20 - pithokie@yahoo.com (pithokie@...)
4157. Re: [BoundaryPoint] just joined the list; question about SW corner of PA, USA
      yesss another brendan & gregg butler has been to that pasw marker & may even be here now or else try the corner corner among our mainpage table of contents m
      Oct 18, 2001 @ 21:29 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4158. Doug's radio appearance
      Further info concerning my appearance on CBC radio this coming Saturday... and it s a good thing I have no shame, take a look at the picture they put on the
      Oct 19, 2001 @ 00:42 - Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com ("Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com" <dmurray@...>)
4159. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Peters wedding!
      I don t have a hat, so I will just say congratulations and good luck to you Peter. Jesper ... From: Doug Murray To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Cc:
      Oct 19, 2001 @ 03:44 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
4160. Re: holland n all oh
      ... have ... name it ... I don t know... I think it s nice so many languages have a special word for the Netherlands . For example, I found it very
      Oct 19, 2001 @ 18:12 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4161. Re: Peters wedding!
      ... luck to you Peter. ... Thank you very much to all for congratulating us!! Now, back to those borders! We re taking up precious virtual space here... ;-))
      Oct 19, 2001 @ 18:15 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4162. Re: East Timorese exclave
      I believe it was in 1907 (I have copied the border treaty, but I can t find it now), that the Netherlands and Portugal concluded the border treaty here. As I
      Oct 19, 2001 @ 18:23 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4163. More on Wakhan
      Here s Biger on the Wakhan corridor: Afghanistan acquired a common boundary with China by the terms of the 1895 Anglo-Russian agreement by which the Wakhan
      Oct 19, 2001 @ 23:30 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4164. K(c)ongo
      ... Interesting. But I bet they acquired the alphabetic representation of their spoken language from some Flemish-speaking Belgian missionary! On a related
      Oct 19, 2001 @ 23:47 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4165. Kiribati
      Grant Hutchison wrote: (... on `Kiribati pronounced /-bas/ ...) ... Knowing nothing of the Gilbertese language, let alone the true story in this case, I ll
      Oct 20, 2001 @ 05:09 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4166. Baarle pictures-GCEBE
      Hello everybody, a full report on September s GCEBE is in the process of being created by Jesper and me...in the meantime a little appetizer: 3 pix from Baarle
      Oct 20, 2001 @ 12:42 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
4167. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Baarle pictures-GCEBE
      Kære Peter Sidder lige og studerer mit Sydafrika-kort. Der er bare så langt til nærmeste grænse, som er Namibia og der er det alligevel blot Oranje-floden.
      Oct 20, 2001 @ 12:44 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
4168. Re: Kiribati
      ... I like this. My original source implied a direct link from Gilberts (as in the Gilberts ) = /kiribas/, but Gilbert (as in Gilbert Islands ) =
      Oct 20, 2001 @ 16:10 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4169. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Doug's radio appearance
      ... youre not kidding bub m & would you please also have the common shamelessness to let us know again when it becomes possible to hear it
      Oct 20, 2001 @ 17:29 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4170. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: holland n all oh
      ... thank goodness peter your new life style becomes you will punctuation be next m _________________________________________________________________ Get your
      Oct 20, 2001 @ 17:30 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4171. kaprivi on third thought
      that purple kaprivi stripe must actually have been a working buffer of some strategic importance besides a strategem of non easement for it evidently allowed
      Oct 20, 2001 @ 18:25 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4172. re recent dc & pr questions
      anton especially but not only this is probably not necessary since i promised to get back to you only if i was mistaken about the retrocession by the usa of
      Oct 20, 2001 @ 18:26 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4173. Re: re recent dc & pr questions
      ... the most ... islands ... Woops, I must have missed that thread (a symptom of my drop-in-and- browse link to this group, sorry). I m just compiling a list
      Oct 20, 2001 @ 18:40 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4174. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Baarle pictures-GCEBE
      hey boss thanx for checking in anyway tho with that boundary rainbow rush best footage yet keep on m ...
      Oct 20, 2001 @ 18:40 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4175. Egypt/Jordan maritime border?
      Does anyone know whether Jordan and Egypt abut in the Red Sea? This would require the triangle of Israeli sea to fall short at its apex of the equidistance
      Oct 20, 2001 @ 18:44 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4176. Re: [BoundaryPoint] More on Wakhan
      hahahahaha they didnt know they had that border hahahahahahaha for 68 years hahahaha that is freakin huge m ...
      Oct 20, 2001 @ 18:46 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4177. Re: More on Wakhan
      ... You ve got to wonder what the text of the original UK/Russian treaty looked like, given that the eastern end of the corridor was so thoroughly undefined.
      Oct 20, 2001 @ 18:50 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4178. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: re recent dc & pr questions
      ... not to worry yes wonderful this is right on it appears there is no definitive usgovt mapping to settle all this but the laws do specify 9nm & 3nm as
      Oct 20, 2001 @ 19:32 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4179. Re: re recent dc & pr questions
      ... terms of any ... territorial sea ... Ah, gotcha. My mistake - the blurred quadripoint is way farther out, between US Virgins, UK Virgins, Anguilla and
      Oct 20, 2001 @ 20:19 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4180. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Egypt/Jordan maritime border?
      ... I d say yes. The Gulf of Aqaba is 16 km wide along the Jordan-Saudi line, and the southernmost point of Israel on land is 15 km from that line. The
      Oct 21, 2001 @ 07:20 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4181. Re: [BoundaryPoint] re recent dc & pr questions
      ... [...] ... thanks. and do you know why? ... [...] ... including Wyoming? -- Anton Sherwood
      Oct 21, 2001 @ 07:45 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4182. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Baarle plaques
      I tried to file the attached file at BP on several days, but I did not succeed in that. Therefore I post the file as a message. I ve made some minor changes in
      Oct 21, 2001 @ 10:43 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@amsat.org>)
4183. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Baarle pictures-GCEBE
      Peter wrote: 2- there are a lot of buildings divided by the boundary line, especially the furniture shop Peter Meubles and the booze-place . DE BIERGRENS
      Oct 21, 2001 @ 10:51 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
4184. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Baarle plaques
      Great work Harry -- thanks for the translation. Your lingustically challenged anglophone pal, Doug By the way: my website can now be addressed directly at
      Oct 21, 2001 @ 16:03 - Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com ("Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com" <dmurray@...>)
4185. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Baarle plaques
      Keep posting Doug ... From: Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 6:03 PM Subject: Re:
      Oct 21, 2001 @ 17:45 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
4186. Condominiums
      Question: Approx. how many condominiums are out there -- similar to the German-Lux. condo? Doug ... From: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen To:
      Oct 21, 2001 @ 19:05 - Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com ("Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com" <dmurray@...>)
4187. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Some one got inspired....
      ... From: Harry ten Veen ... I uploaded this one, being the tripoint Drenthe/Friesland/Overijssel, to my site:
      Oct 21, 2001 @ 19:13 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
4188. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Some one got inspired....
      a number 1 marker serving for 2 borders at once is not unique i seem to recall a few in brownlie so perhaps in this case too m ...
      Oct 21, 2001 @ 21:27 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4189. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Condominiums
      we have discussed the 2 esfr condos here & suspect german swiss rhein condos or nondos & of course the lake constance triarea but that is really just a default
      Oct 21, 2001 @ 21:27 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4190. Re: [BoundaryPoint] re recent dc & pr questions
      from anton ... ah yes wyoming well i am like grant sometimes the mental maps never reach the ground & sometimes mine dont even know what i am saying also about
      Oct 21, 2001 @ 21:28 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4191. footnote to message 220
      following up on the the prusvi tripoints etc there is also a surprising clavological consequence of the law that limits most state territorial waters to 3nm in
      Oct 21, 2001 @ 21:53 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4192. southwest corner of pennsylvania
      new brendan please overlook the bum steer i recently gave you to the corner corner as well as the fact that it doesnt yet have the info you seek & since gregg
      Oct 21, 2001 @ 22:31 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4193. Updates + French...
      Hello folks! I am in the middle of my long planned update. So far I have reached to update my byltlv page, including a simple drawing of the neutral tripoint
      Oct 22, 2001 @ 07:56 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
4194. Re: Egypt/Jordan maritime border?
      ... So would I, now. I ve just dug out a better map, and it s difficult to see how a line of equidistance between Israel and Egypt could feasibly skew far
      Oct 22, 2001 @ 15:14 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4195. Black Sea maritime treaties
      Our favourite maritime boundaries map at maritimeboundaries.com shows four treaty boundaries converging on a fuzzy quadripoint in the western Black Sea -
      Oct 22, 2001 @ 15:28 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4196. Re: Condominiums
      ... From Prescott: 1) The Fasht Bu Saafa Hexagon W of Bahrain, administered by Saudi Arabia but with half of any revenues going to Bahrain. (Does that really
      Oct 22, 2001 @ 16:13 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4197. Neutral Moresnet
      GCEBE also visted Neutral Morisnet (or the former Neutral Morisnet area. This link may have been posted before, but here it is anyway.
      Oct 22, 2001 @ 19:21 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
4198. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Condominiums
      nice fishing & dishing there & yes i agree all the more now joint zones especially nonterritorial maritime joint zones are not nearly so condo as our 2 plus 2
      Oct 22, 2001 @ 20:29 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4199. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Black Sea maritime treaties
      wow grant that took an eagles eye & intuition to find & it could indeed be real even if only for eezs & not for territorial seas the result of some arbitrary
      Oct 22, 2001 @ 20:31 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4200. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Neutral Moresnet
      yes jesper but it keeps improving & for new members to find that quadri or some even think quinti point go to maps click top one & look for the blue dots
      Oct 22, 2001 @ 20:34 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4201. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Updates + French...
      hey jan please dont mind if i offer these directions click on my border points then byelorussia both because i would like to suggest offering explicit rather
      Oct 22, 2001 @ 20:56 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4202. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Egypt/Jordan maritime border?
      grant i salute your equidistancing everything out as it is after all the default reality anyway & we can always correct if anything other than equidistance
      Oct 22, 2001 @ 21:17 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4203. Re: Egypt/Jordan maritime border?
      ... happens I think we are in a position to at least sketch out the *topology* of the situation, without being able to nail down the exact position of many EEZ
      Oct 22, 2001 @ 22:04 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4204. Perfs & Frags
      I ve just uploaded a file called Perfs&Frags.xls to the files area. It s a two-sheet workbook containing my first attempt to list all the national bits and
      Oct 23, 2001 @ 00:13 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4205. mexican - us borders
      Can anyone shed some light on what structures, fences, etc. are at the termini of the mexican - us borders (S. of San Diego and Mouth of Rio Grande). Can one
      Oct 23, 2001 @ 00:45 - voit1@airmail.net (voit1@...)
4206. RE: [BoundaryPoint] mexican - us borders
      In the early 1990s I visited the Pacific terminus of the US-Mexico border. The chain-link fence ended on the beach about 3-5 meters from the water. On the
      Oct 23, 2001 @ 01:35 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
4207. RE: [BoundaryPoint] mexican - us borders
      I was at the mouth of the Rio Grande in March 1996, by driving south along the beach from Boca Chica, Texas, and there were no fortifications or signs of
      Oct 23, 2001 @ 01:43 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
4208. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Baarle pictures-GCEBE
      Peter, Re item 1 in your message not all of the Baarle-Nassau within Baarle-Hertog enclaves are demarcated. On our walk that morning Fran and I found N1, N2,
      Oct 23, 2001 @ 03:35 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@gisco.net>)
4209. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Doug's radio appearance
      Doug, Great interview, I love it. Jesper ... From: Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 2:42
      Oct 23, 2001 @ 03:51 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
4210. RE: [BoundaryPoint] mexican - us borders
      I was at San Diego/Tijuana late 1995 and the fence extended into the sea then. It is chainlink in places and steel panels in others. No problem walking across
      Oct 23, 2001 @ 04:04 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
4211. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Updates + French...
      Hello Mike, No, I have not reached to ask more about this. All I know is what Mr. Audrius Lazauskas told me. In fact visitors from Latvia and Lithuania are
      Oct 23, 2001 @ 08:12 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
4212. Czech exclave in Hamburg?
      According to Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, Sept. 12th 2001, page 14 (enclosed) the Czechs are controlling a 30,000 m² area in the Hamburg Moldau and Saale
      Oct 23, 2001 @ 08:12 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@yahoo.no>)
4213. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Updates + French...
      Jan, Let me give it a try... Some results (non-official) of computations for centers (on the spheroid) by Jean-Georges AFFHOLDER © IGN - Service de la
      Oct 23, 2001 @ 13:20 - PitHokie (PitHokie <pithokie@...>)
4214. Re: [BoundaryPoint] mexican - us borders
      At the San Diego/Tijuana border, the thick metal fence actually extends maybe 20 feet into the sea. Unless there is an underground fence extending further,
      Oct 23, 2001 @ 13:28 - PitHokie (PitHokie <pithokie@...>)
4215. Re: just joined the list; question about SW corner of PA, USA
      Hi, Brendan. My brother, Gregg Butler, sent me this report after he visited PASW in December, 1999. It might help you locate the point. Be sure to buy a slab
      Oct 23, 2001 @ 13:46 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
4216. RE: Black Sea maritime treaties
      Grant, Turkey has agreed maritime boundaries with Bulgaria (in 1997) and Ukraine (agreements with the USSR in 1986 and 1987, confirmed by an exchange of notes
      Oct 23, 2001 @ 13:35 - Martin Pratt ("Martin Pratt" <m.a.pratt@...>)
4217. Re: [BoundaryPoint] mexican - us borders
      I found a Time Magazine photo essay on the US-Mexican border. The title page shows, though is untitled, the fence going into the Pacific from the Mexican
      Oct 23, 2001 @ 15:14 - Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com ("Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com" <dmurray@...>)
4218. Canada-US border story
      A National Post (Canadian national newspaper) article about possible changes to the US-Canadian border: U.S. border plan forces all visitors to register
      Oct 23, 2001 @ 15:17 - Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com ("Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com" <dmurray@...>)
4219. Ceuta's frontier article
      Hello There are two articles with photos published on “La Vanguardia” newspaper last sunday about the inhuman situation of the Spanish/Morocco border on
      Oct 23, 2001 @ 17:09 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
4220. Re: Black Sea maritime treaties
      Martin: Thanks for the information. ... This fits with a UN document I found about the Bulgaria-Turkish treaty, which specified that definition of the precise
      Oct 23, 2001 @ 17:34 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4221. Re: Canada-US border story
      I read the article and the complaints from Canadian business groups that the proposal to record names of visitors entering the US would impede commerce.
      Oct 23, 2001 @ 18:20 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
4222. www.maritimeboundaries.com
      Has anyone on the list logged onto www.maritimeboundaries.com recently. I have been trying for few days and no success. Emil
      Oct 23, 2001 @ 18:31 - Emil Boasson (Emil Boasson <eb3@...>)
4223. Re: www.maritimeboundaries.com
      ... recently. Not me - my recent discussions have all been based on a hardcopy I printed out a while back. I find I can t access it at present. Grant
      Oct 23, 2001 @ 18:36 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4224. Spanish possessions in Morocco and others
      First, a few requests. (1) I was looking at the site on America s and world s lowest points (Yay, Jack!). There are quite a few countries with area below sea
      Oct 23, 2001 @ 19:55 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
4225. Fw: god Terminus
      Dear fellow border freaks... my Italian friend sent me an article that might interest all of you - about Terminus! Enjoy... Peter Hering ... From: Mario Conti
      Oct 23, 2001 @ 20:34 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
4226. Re: Black Sea maritime treaties
      ... the ... finally ... island in ... find ... I ... preclude ... Some little news items I found in Russian (I ve translated it for you): Neftegaz Ukrainy
      Oct 23, 2001 @ 20:56 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4227. Re: Spanish possessions in Morocco and others
      ... I once compiled a (very!) small booklet of tables called World Tops & Bottoms, listing the highest and lowest points of every country & dependency in the
      Oct 23, 2001 @ 21:12 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4228. Re: Spanish possessions in Morocco and others
      Arif: The GEOnet Name Server file for Spain lists alternate names for Mar & Tierra islands: Mar = Afuera, Tierra = Adentro. Were these the names on your map?
      Oct 23, 2001 @ 22:20 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4229. beating boundaries
      ... English churches used to have an annual beating the bounds procession where the vicar and wardens would lead the (male) choristers and others around the
      Oct 24, 2001 @ 01:22 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
4230. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Ceuta's frontier article
      ... I find nothing there, which is too bad; I was hoping to learn from the article(s) why it is inhuman or shameful! -- Anton Sherwood
      Oct 24, 2001 @ 04:46 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4231. RE: Black Sea maritime treaties
      The odd little box around Seranilla Bank on Veridian s map defines a Joint Regime Area established in a 1993 agreement between Colombia and Jamaica.
      Oct 24, 2001 @ 09:45 - Martin Pratt ("Martin Pratt" <m.a.pratt@...>)
4232. Summary of BP e-mail commands
      Following is a summary of e-mail commands for BoundaryPoint: POSTING TO BOUNDARYPOINT ... To send a message to this group, send the message to:
      Oct 24, 2001 @ 11:38 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
4233. Serranilla Banks & Bajo Neuvo
      Martin: Ah, I didn t know about the Jamaican involvement. But my understanding is that although claims to most of the other islands and atolls in this area
      Oct 24, 2001 @ 12:57 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
4234. Ceuta's article
      You re right. The links don t work, so, i post the articles. If you want to see the page and photos, the link below works. Sorry, Marcel. ... Esta noticia de
      Oct 24, 2001 @ 14:54 - Marcel Miquel (Marcel Miquel<marcelmiquel@...>)
4235. Ceuta's article (2)
      Here s the second article. Marcel ... Esta noticia de La Vanguardia Digital (http://www.lavanguardia.es/) le ha sido enviada por: Marcel Miquel Si desea ver la
      Oct 24, 2001 @ 14:57 - Marcel Miquel (Marcel Miquel<marcelmiquel@...>)
4236. Canada-US Border: Newspaper Article on effects of increased security
      More about the Canada-US border clampdown and its effects: http://www.nationalpost.com/news/national/story.html?f=/stories/20011024/751471.html Doug Murray
      Oct 24, 2001 @ 16:07 - Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com ("Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com" <dmurray@...>)
4237. Newspaper story: EU-style border for Canada-USA?
      Another story! http://www.nationalpost.com/financialpost/story.html?f=/stories/20011024/750963.html Doug Doug Murray Productions sounds+images+words Vancouver,
      Oct 24, 2001 @ 16:30 - Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com ("Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com" <dmurray@...>)
4238. Re: [BoundaryPoint] southwest corner of pennsylvania
      m and BJB, Thanks so much for the SWPA information! I ll probably head out Friday morning to try locating the point again; I ll post results early next week.
      Oct 24, 2001 @ 19:27 - PitHokie (PitHokie <pithokie@...>)
4239. news in brief
      must be brief today so let me just acknowledge gratefully the many very interesting recent developments especially but not only those of grant & doug tho i
      Oct 24, 2001 @ 19:52 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4240. the abstract and the concrete
      ... meaning the southernmost corner of the surveyed line, or what? i read once that the north boundary of Washington is, in some places, hundreds of feet south
      Oct 25, 2001 @ 03:50 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4241. US_MEX_BORDER
      http://bordercross.tamu.edu/plans_docs/railroads_bridges.stm
      Oct 25, 2001 @ 06:02 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
4242. Re: the abstract and the concrete
      ... places, ... where i ... to ... I ve just found this article which has some info: http://hotwired.lycos.com/netizen/96/53/special4a.html David
      Oct 25, 2001 @ 08:14 - David Birch ("David Birch" <dbirch@...>)
4243. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Updates + French...
      Thank you both, Brendan and Pit for translation assistance. The page is now updated! Regards, Jan Vilnius, Lithuania http://home.no.net/enklaver
      Oct 25, 2001 @ 08:30 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
4244. Re: the abstract and the concrete
      The written description of the boundary does not matter once it is marked on the ground and agreed to by both parties. This is a basic tenet of boundaryhood,
      Oct 25, 2001 @ 11:58 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
4245. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: the abstract and the concrete
      concerning ... (My thought when I first read of the anomaly was that the US boundary is 49th parallel as of 1846 and the Wa boundary is 49th parallel as of
      Oct 25, 2001 @ 16:17 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4246. Re: the abstract and the concrete
      What you say about river boundaries is true, or at least partly true. Boundaries have shifted with changing river courses. But this usually leads to a
      Oct 25, 2001 @ 17:30 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
4247. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BEFRLU
      Nielsen Border Entertainment is proud present: BEFRLU 1:10000 map on http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/files/befrlu.jpg Notice how the BELU border is
      Oct 25, 2001 @ 18:51 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
4248. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: the abstract and the concrete
      right this is different from the canadian border i am just looking for the southernmost point in oregon it is logically & very probably a monumented point i
      Oct 25, 2001 @ 20:01 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4249. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BEFRLU
      Thank you! Thank you!! Thank you!!! ... From: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 11:51 AM Subject:
      Oct 25, 2001 @ 23:37 - Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com ("Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com" <dmurray@...>)
4250. BeFrLu
      (Sigh. When I try to reply normally to HTML mail, Netscape crashes!) ... BELU or BEFR? Which way is up on this map? -- Anton Sherwood
      Oct 26, 2001 @ 06:37 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4251. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: the abstract and the concrete
      ... Hmm ... No county lines appear to run along the San Andreas, though some stretches of it are quite prominent on the ground. -- Anton Sherwood
      Oct 26, 2001 @ 06:45 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4252. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BeFrLu
      The map is Belgian, and so the colour part is BE. I made a mistake: It s offcourse the FRLU-border west of the tp that leaves the border, but apparently has
      Oct 26, 2001 @ 06:43 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
4253. Radio
      The recent promotion of certain radio broadcasts on this list inspires me to recommend the following link to those of you with any understanding of swedish:  
      Oct 26, 2001 @ 07:40 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <blofeld_es@...>)
4254. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Radio
      i think, there was a foto from this spot in a lonely planet book, title something like the world-traveller or infos about all countrys in the world i once
      Oct 26, 2001 @ 07:57 - arne ("arne" <wertkauf@...>)
4255. ORS
      Mike, where do you reckon ORS is? I was not able to make a conclusion by looking at TopoZone. When you figure it out, please let me know and I will add it to
      Oct 26, 2001 @ 11:59 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
4256. Site on Austrian border
      http://www.bmwa.gv.at/technologie/stg/allg2.html If I am not mistaken, it looks like the last rural ATHU border crossing just before the tp with SK. Jesper
      Oct 26, 2001 @ 19:50 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
4257. Border markers etc
      http://www.schlesien.de/geschichte/grenze1815.htm http://www.bockonline.ch/archiv/2001/32/aktuell.html http://www.strusel007.de/kraxel/farbe.html
      Oct 26, 2001 @ 20:16 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
4258. East Berlin Map
      Other than the three pieces that are on this site: http://www.dailysoft.com/berlinwall/maps/index_de.htm has anyone seen a complete GDR Karte der Grenztruppen
      Oct 26, 2001 @ 21:24 - Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com ("Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com" <dmurray@...>)
4259. not another field report
      eugene or day 162 another serendipitous diversion today hot springing under snow capped peaks thanx ma i needed that & i know pursuing thalwegs & natural hot
      Oct 26, 2001 @ 23:41 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4260. microstates
      I am rereading an excellent travel book about Andorra, Monaco, San Marino and Leichtenstein, that I bought years ago. The Little Tour, Giles Playfair &
      Oct 27, 2001 @ 01:24 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
4261. RE: [BoundaryPoint] East Berlin Map
      I would like to get my hands on those maps to. According to my quick research the originals now reside with the Bundesarchiv in Freiburg, and to my knowledge
      Oct 27, 2001 @ 11:59 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <blofeld_es@...>)
4262. RE: [BoundaryPoint] East Berlin Map
      cwould you guys or anyone say what it is you particularly love or like about this particular ghost er gust looking forward to hearing m eugene for halloween
      Oct 27, 2001 @ 17:27 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4263. Re: [BoundaryPoint] microstates
      does he discuss any laying around trying to keep small on the beach in monte carlo with some of the pettiest oops i meant to type prettiest topless women in
      Oct 27, 2001 @ 17:33 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4264. Re: [BoundaryPoint] not another field report
      Belgian part: 1988 Non-Belgian: 1987 ... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at
      Oct 27, 2001 @ 22:11 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
4265. FINOSE
      I turned on my television, looked at a running man in a suit, who kept running and running. Interesting programme I though, and kept looking. I realized it was
      Oct 28, 2001 @ 14:15 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
4266. Re: [BoundaryPoint] the abstract and the concrete
      In Van Zandt s book on the boundaries of the United States, he states (p. 155) that the northern boundary of the state of Washington is the boundary line
      Oct 29, 2001 @ 01:41 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
4267. Re: [BoundaryPoint] the abstract and the concrete
      The way I understand it is this: When the border along the 49th was first marked, it was as accurate as could be made with the technology available then. The
      Oct 29, 2001 @ 02:14 - Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com ("Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com" <dmurray@...>)
4268. Re: [BoundaryPoint] the abstract and the concrete
      ... first marked, it was as accurate as could be made with the technology available then. The Governments of Canada and the US later agreed that the border
      Oct 29, 2001 @ 02:27 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
4269. Washington State Border Story
      I found the original item I had read at: http://hotwired.lycos.com/netizen/96/53/special4a.html And with a little digging, it looks like the case is still in
      Oct 29, 2001 @ 02:30 - Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com ("Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com" <dmurray@...>)
4270. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Washington State Border Story
      As I said before, the 49th parallel as recently located using global positioning systems is pretty silly since topo maps have shown it just like that for 30
      Oct 29, 2001 @ 02:48 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
4271. Re: [BoundaryPoint] adesfre. New scan.
      Dear Marcel, Your scan of the French 1:25.000 map has been integrated on my andorra-tripoints-webpage. Thanks a lot! vriendelijke groet, Eef Berns ...
      Oct 29, 2001 @ 08:29 - Eef Berns ("Eef Berns" <eefberns@...>)
4272. RE: [BoundaryPoint] East Berlin Map
      GÜST = Grenzübergangsstelle: German for Border Crossing. ... like about ... anywhere? ... 51261 ... M=213858.1650662.3186813.1261774/D=egroupmai ...
      Oct 29, 2001 @ 20:54 - John Kelly ("John Kelly" <johnkelly@...>)
4273. fresh try du jour
      sisters oregon day 166 another natural hot spring just visited in this case class a & will give details if anyone cares but the big bp news of the day here
      Oct 29, 2001 @ 23:30 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4274. RE: [BoundaryPoint] East Berlin Map
      thanx john that is cool i knew there had to be something m ... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN
      Oct 29, 2001 @ 23:31 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4275. Re: [BoundaryPoint] the abstract and the concrete
      bend oregon same day ... to doug ... perhaps i am the other bp person you mean here david but this is not at all what i meant in fact this whole conversation
      Oct 30, 2001 @ 01:58 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4276. Re: [BoundaryPoint] not another field report
      thanx jesper & in keeping with the all entertainment all the time policy of the all parties party i wish to congratulate nielsen border entertainment for the
      Oct 30, 2001 @ 02:14 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4277. RE: [BoundaryPoint] fresh try du jour
      Michael, Instead of bothering with dime a dozen county tri-points why don t you head up north and bag Oregon s quad county point? It s
      Oct 30, 2001 @ 04:19 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
4278. Re: [BoundaryPoint] FINOSE
      As promised Jesper ... From: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Cc: hpn@berlingske.dk Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 3:15 PM Subject:
      Oct 30, 2001 @ 05:25 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
4279. Borderpix from ChDe - GCEBE sept
      Some more border pix from ChDe taken during our GCEBE in September ...: 1- Border bridge betw. Gailingen/De + Diessenhofen/Ch - taken from De. 2- Border bridge
      Oct 30, 2001 @ 10:19 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
4280. 2 more pix attached from ChDe
      Pix # 3+4 Peter
      Oct 30, 2001 @ 10:22 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
4281. GPS markers
      Doing some exploring this weekend I was travelling near the PASW corner and found, near the border, a small wooden stake coming out of the ground labelled GPS
      Oct 30, 2001 @ 16:42 - PitHokie (PitHokie <pithokie@...>)
4282. Searching the bordermarkers of Moresnet
      Moresnet, a mini-state that existed from 1815 until 1919 near the BEDENL-tripoint. We went in search for the 60 bordermarkers. Full story:
      Oct 30, 2001 @ 17:21 - Eef Berns ("Eef Berns" <eefberns@...>)
4283. Re: GPS markers
      ... Certainly sounds informal. My guess would be someone using differential GPS for a one-off bit of private/personal local mapping, who set this up as a
      Oct 30, 2001 @ 18:05 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4284. Westernmost Dutch spot
      I just realized that we did not visited the westernmost Dutch spot during GCEBE. But I would like to go there. Jesper
      Oct 30, 2001 @ 18:09 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
4285. RE: [BoundaryPoint] fresh try du jour
      thanxx jack i agree the megapoints rule the multipoints but that clcotiwa is up there near the megalopolis & i am zeroing in on the desolate denio area for ors
      Oct 30, 2001 @ 19:36 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4286. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Westernmost Dutch spot
      What if the western most Dutch spot were an enclave, would that count? Ho ho ho! Doug -- Doug Murray Productions Sounds+Images+Words +1.604.728.1407 ... [Non
      Oct 31, 2001 @ 04:04 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
4287. Re: Westernmost Dutch spot
      Acc. to my maps, nlw is not the spot where the benl border reaches the North Sea, but boundary marker 360, about half a km west of Sint Anna ter Muiden (by the
      Oct 31, 2001 @ 10:11 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4288. Re: fresh try du jour
      Regarding ORS, here is my topozonic take on this: Uding the DD.DDDD Topozone display format, it seems to me that ORS is located at State Monument 239 , shown
      Oct 31, 2001 @ 12:41 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
4289. Re: Westernmost Dutch spot
      ... count? ... I do not think the western most point of the Netherlands is an enclave, but I the western most part of the UK is an exclave. The UK s western
      Oct 31, 2001 @ 13:21 - andrew@AndrewPatton.com (andrew@...)
4290. Country Number 193
      Based on news reports on news.bbc.co.uk In 201 days, East Timor will become an independent country and create a new international exclave of Oecussi. Anyone
      Oct 31, 2001 @ 13:25 - andrew@AndrewPatton.com (andrew@...)
4291. VTN,NDN, MTN, IDN, WAN
      The International Boundary Commission provides an on-line list of US/Canada boundary monument coordinates at:
      Oct 31, 2001 @ 13:49 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
4292. MBS,SKS,ABS
      The Canadian southern extreme points near the 49th parallel are: MBS - 48 59 57.30 100 01 38.55 Monument #712 SKS - 48 59 55.62 102 27 21.98 Monument
      Oct 31, 2001 @ 14:03 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
4293. Re: Westernmost Dutch spot
      ... Although Rockall lies outside British territorial waters, it is well within the U.K. s Exclusive Fishing Zone - it s only 160nm from the outlying St Kilda
      Oct 31, 2001 @ 16:16 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4294. RE: [BoundaryPoint] US_MEX_BORDER
      Looking at all the bridge pictures reminded me of a photo, which I saw in a travel book awhile ago, of the shortest international bridge in the world..... it
      Oct 31, 2001 @ 16:18 - Beckett, Bob ("Beckett, Bob" <Bob.Beckett@...>)
4295. great border shot
      Here s another picture--an elevated shot of the twin towns of Nogales, Arizona, USA and Nogales, Sonora, Mexico. It s very easy to see the location of the
      Oct 31, 2001 @ 17:00 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
4296. shortest intl bridge
      Bob s mentioning of the shortest international bridge brought to mind our earlier discussions on this and an old black and white photograph that I had laying
      Oct 31, 2001 @ 17:15 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
4297. Re: [BoundaryPoint] great border shot
      great border shotDallen, you re right, that is a great shot. I ve crossed over several times in the vicinity of the big tree ...if memory serves me, there s
      Oct 31, 2001 @ 19:04 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
4298. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Westernmost Dutch spot
      ... What would be the westernmost point of the Netherlands in your opinion then Jesper? Does it mean that I have it wrong on my website and does it mean I
      Oct 31, 2001 @ 19:24 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
4299. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Westernmost Dutch spot
      Dear Harry It was off course a little teaser, but wouldn t the westernmost point be on the St. Martin west coast? Jesper ... From: Harry ten Veen To:
      Oct 31, 2001 @ 19:45 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
4300. Jesper's radio apperance
      Doug had his show, now it s my turn. Peter H was supposed to be on today, but something went wrong ?! Unfortunately it will be on regional radio, and in
      Oct 31, 2001 @ 19:48 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
4301. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Westernmost Dutch spot
      To be honest Jesper, I thought the outcome would be something like at the Northernmost point; that the bordermarker is not on the actual spot. Anyway, than we
      Oct 31, 2001 @ 20:01 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
4302. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Westernmost Dutch spot
      Harry, Sorry to dissapoint you on this one. Do you by the way considder St. Martin to be real Netherlands? Jesper ... From: Harry ten Veen To:
      Oct 31, 2001 @ 20:04 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
4303. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Westernmost Dutch spot
      No, I tend to follow the Radio-amateurs entity list. The Netherlands Antilles are two entities; leeward and windward. Of course they belong/are part of the
      Oct 31, 2001 @ 20:22 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
4304. more truly great misses
      burns oregon went try pointing by moonlight last night a possible first aiming for the crook deschutes harney tricounty point aka usor3crdeha but the roads
      Oct 31, 2001 @ 22:54 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4305. RE: short bridges
      the shortest international bridge in the ... I see your short bridge and raise you a shorter bridge: there s a couple of planks spanning a small stream on the
      Nov 01, 2001 @ 01:02 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
4306. Re: [BoundaryPoint] RE: short bridges
      about bridges something from todays Lithuanian/ Russian border at the kaliningrad oblast (i told this by email to some of you) close to todays sovietsk (former
      Nov 01, 2001 @ 02:27 - arne ("arne" <wertkauf@...>)
4307. Re: [BoundaryPoint] RE: short bridges
      There is also a tiny bridge ( a few planks) over the little stream between Luxembourg and Belgium close to the tp with Germany. Jesper ... From: Brendan Whyte
      Nov 01, 2001 @ 04:55 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
4308. Re: [BoundaryPoint] RE: short bridges
      I believe I have tape of Harry crossing said micro-bridge. Doug -- Doug Murray Productions Sounds+Images+Words +1.604.728.1407
      Nov 01, 2001 @ 05:25 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
4309. smaller pix
      Each of today s two huge images was easily compressed by a factor of about 4. (I used GIMP to blur the halftoning out of the short bridge shot.) -- Anton
      Nov 01, 2001 @ 06:25 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@pobox.com>)
4310. Most Northerly Point In Contiguous 48 States
      Hello I m a new member of the group. Last July I travelled to the Northwest Angle area, wholly inspired by Dan Jacobson s web page
      Nov 01, 2001 @ 08:06 - Mike ("Mike" <mls515@...>)
4311. shortest+longest intn'l border bridges
      Well, folks- that s quite an interesting topic. Shortest bridge: If you call any device crossing a body of water a bridge , then the bridge in the Intn l
      Nov 01, 2001 @ 08:57 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
4312. West.most border crossing Be-Nl
      According to Peter S. s mail the village of Sint-Anna ter Muiden is the westernmost Dutch village - attached a picture from this spot, taken during our
      Nov 01, 2001 @ 09:05 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
4313. RE: [BoundaryPoint] shortest+longest intn'l border bridges PLUS BAARLE
      ... From: Bill Burke Sent: 01 November 2001 09:01 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [BoundaryPoint] shortest+longest intn l border bridges PLUS
      Nov 01, 2001 @ 09:29 - Bill Burke ("Bill Burke" <bill@...>)
4314. Re: Most Northerly Point In Contiguous 48 States
      Hi, Mike. Our paths must have nearly crossed in the Northwest Angle. My brother and I were there on July 16. We approached MNN by water and also slogged
      Nov 01, 2001 @ 13:26 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
4315. RE: [BoundaryPoint] smaller pix
      thanks anton. the enhanced image of the bridge is great. dallen ... From: Anton Sherwood [mailto:bronto@pobox.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 11:25 PM
      Nov 01, 2001 @ 14:19 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
4316. Kentucky Exclave
      Hello everyone, As this is my first posting I would like to express my thanks to the people who had the idea to set up this Group. I didn t believe there were
      Nov 01, 2001 @ 18:30 - anton_zeilinger@hotmail.com (anton_zeilinger@...)
4317. Re: Westernmost Dutch spot
      Harry, you are, of course, right: our kingdom consists of the Netherlands in Europe, the Netherlands Antilles, and Aruba. These three entities can considered
      Nov 01, 2001 @ 20:24 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4318. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Kentucky Exclave
      a hearty welcome new anton especially as our regular irreplaceable anton has been missing for days jc & i just visited kentucky bend as your exclave is called
      Nov 01, 2001 @ 20:33 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4319. Re: shortest+longest intn'l border bridges
      ... How about this thing from Saudi Arabia to Bahrain? I am not sure whether it is all bridge, but I think it is longer. Peter S.
      Nov 01, 2001 @ 21:24 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4320. Re: shortest+longest intn'l border bridges
      The recent ruling of the Int. Court of Justice in the Bahrain - Qatar case has cleared the air between the two countries so drastically, that there are plans
      Nov 01, 2001 @ 21:34 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4321. Re: Westernmost Dutch spot
      ... Except, at least at one time, they had a local administration that ran in parallel with the French departmental system - I think all the French overseas
      Nov 01, 2001 @ 22:16 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4322. d&b sawanabori advances
      well i got kicked out of frenchglen school for lunch hour so i dashed & danced & pranced upstream another bridge for you well ok it was for me too & i gave the
      Nov 01, 2001 @ 23:24 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4323. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Kentucky Exclave
      I know of no scholarly articles on it, but there was a small article on Kaskasia Is, part of Illinois on the Missouri side of the river (or the other way
      Nov 02, 2001 @ 02:20 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
4324. Bill Burke's Baarle trip
      Bill, I have recent dutch 1:25.000 maps of Baarle and surroundings. I could put scans of it on the internet for downloading. Let me know. An older Belgium scan
      Nov 02, 2001 @ 10:59 - Eef Berns ("Eef Berns" <eefberns@...>)
4325. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Bill Burke's Baarle trip
      Eef, Yes please re scans.I think we will go late winter/ early spring for a long weekend via the Tunnel. Brendan informs me that there are no English
      Nov 02, 2001 @ 16:01 - Bill Burke ("Bill Burke" <bill@...>)
4326. What is an enclave
      I m new to this group. What is an enclave? Thanks. Craig Oakford __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your
      Nov 02, 2001 @ 18:06 - Craig Oakford (Craig Oakford <coakford@...>)
4327. Re: [BoundaryPoint] What is an enclave
      An enclave is a foreign pice of territory inside another. The ACT is an enclave of NSW in Australia, Lesotho is an enclave in South Africa. Culver City is an
      Nov 03, 2001 @ 05:02 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
4328. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Bill Burke's Baarle trip
      Re the 1962 military map on Barry s site. It is the 1:25,000 Belgian topo. At the time, Belgian topos were produced by the Institut Geographique Militaire
      Nov 03, 2001 @ 05:17 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
4329. Re: [BoundaryPoint] What is an enclave
      ... A bit of territory entirely surrounded by some other state, as the Vatican city-state is surrounded by the Italian Republic; but usually we mean a piece
      Nov 03, 2001 @ 06:27 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4330. Re: [BoundaryPoint] What is an enclave
      ... According to my 1982 map, Culver City is bounded on the east by unincorporated Baldwin Hills, and has a short boundary on the southwest with an
      Nov 03, 2001 @ 06:49 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4331. Re: [BoundaryPoint] What is an enclave
      Craig Welcome to the group. Rolf Palmberg has a very good enclave site on http://vwww.abo.fi/users/rpalmber/enclaves.htm, where he define enclaves, exclaves
      Nov 03, 2001 @ 06:59 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
4332. West Berlin NOT an exclave/enclave?
      hi, a german friend of mine once told me that technically speaking West Berlin was NOT an exclave of the FRG in the GDR, as it was not West German territory.
      Nov 03, 2001 @ 08:40 - anton_zeilinger@hotmail.com (anton_zeilinger@...)
4333. Re: [BoundaryPoint] West Berlin NOT an exclave/enclave?
      Hello! ... Well, he is right and he is not. ;-) After World War II, Berlin (whole Berlin!) had a special status. West Berlin was *not* Part of the FRG de jure,
      Nov 03, 2001 @ 09:48 - Manfred Haertel (Manfred Haertel <Manfred.Haertel@...>)
4334. Re: [BoundaryPoint] West Berlin NOT an exclave/enclave?
      Hello, It is correct that the three Western sectors of Greater Berlin were not an integral part of the FRG at any time (prior to 3. Oct 1990). Their highest
      Nov 03, 2001 @ 10:23 - Bernhard Lurssen (Bernhard Lurssen <tardis@...-net.de>)
4335. RE: [BoundaryPoint] shortest+longest intn'l border bridges PLUS BAARLE
      On my page http://home.no.net/enklaver/baarle.htm you will find a link to «Baarle English homepage» (Engllsh):
      Nov 03, 2001 @ 13:19 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
4336. Jack's new address
      Jack Parsell has advised that he has a new email address: jparsell@northnet.org
      Nov 03, 2001 @ 16:36 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@kua.net>)
4337. Re: [BoundaryPoint] What is an enclave
      enclave is a spanish term meaning a lot or any space of land surrounded by other spaces that has no apparent exit border. Ex: Switzerland, Romania, Hungary,
      Nov 03, 2001 @ 17:36 - J. Logroño Morales (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J._Logro=F1o_Morales?= <logromor@...>)
4338. Re: [BoundaryPoint] West Berlin NOT an exclave/enclave?
      lakewood or day 170 something thanx bernhard you are a big help even when you only help a little & this is just to let you all know that all is well never even
      Nov 03, 2001 @ 18:14 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4339. Re: [BoundaryPoint] shortest+longest intn'l border bridges PLUS BAARLE
      Jan, most of the `bottom pages in http://home.no.net/enklaver/ show up as junk on my screen. ?? -- Anton Sherwood
      Nov 03, 2001 @ 19:08 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4340. Re: [BoundaryPoint] shortest+longest intn'l border bridges PLUS BAARLE
      ... That s a problem within Netscape. Opera displays them nicely. -- Manfred Härtel mailto:Manfred.Haertel@rz-online.de http://rz-home.de/mhaertel
      Nov 03, 2001 @ 20:24 - Manfred Haertel (Manfred Haertel <Manfred.Haertel@...>)
4341. Re: [BoundaryPoint] West Berlin NOT an exclave/enclave?
      Mike, you mean you re actually getting around to a cell phone?!?!?! Bill ... From: m donner To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001
      Nov 03, 2001 @ 23:05 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
4342. Re: [BoundaryPoint] What is an enclave
      Romania??? 1996 Thomas guide map of LA. Culver city is adjacent to unincorporated Baldwin hills, but together these are surrounded by LA city. Thus both are
      Nov 04, 2001 @ 01:17 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
4343. Re: [BoundaryPoint] What is an enclave
      ... I would term these fragments . An exclave is a special type of fragment, one that is surrounded by one other unit. It must be landlocked too. Nakhichevan
      Nov 04, 2001 @ 01:25 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
4344. Re: [BoundaryPoint] What is an enclave
      ... Well, that definition is not universally accepted: the American Heritage Dictionary illustrates exclave with Cabinda. -- Anton Sherwood
      Nov 04, 2001 @ 02:19 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4345. Re: [BoundaryPoint] West Berlin NOT an exclave/enclave?
      hahahahaha yes bill hahahaha high desert sawanabori by moonlight is spooky with only a phone card i admit it but in fact jc is on her way with the cell phone
      Nov 04, 2001 @ 07:49 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4346. Re: [BoundaryPoint] What is an enclave
      ... The OED has a proper [ ;-) ] definition for both enclave and exclave. That plus notable exclave experts confirm my definition above. This is one problem
      Nov 04, 2001 @ 08:02 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
4347. ors try in suspense
      gentlebums i confess i never did return to denio sounds almost like denial but have been there at least twice before that i can recall so i may fairly claim to
      Nov 04, 2001 @ 09:36 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4348. d&b fountainhead try results
      what i did accomplish there is began survived drank it reached the antepenultimate bridge was sensible enough not to proceed when the requisite weather failed
      Nov 04, 2001 @ 10:07 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4349. Re: [BoundaryPoint] What is an enclave
      it is just that the same word can have both an ordinary or ignorant as well as a special or more intelligent meaning this occurs all the time probably in most
      Nov 04, 2001 @ 10:08 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4350. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Kentucky Exclave
      old brendan thats kaskaskia a nit possibly not worth picking but an enhancement i mean also new anton i believe david offered this info once before & it is
      Nov 04, 2001 @ 10:09 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4351. Re: [BoundaryPoint] What is an enclave
      anton i think that you are right on about the word enclave but that the word exclave is without reference to whatever surrounds it & probably nowhere reaches 3
      Nov 04, 2001 @ 10:10 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4352. Re: [BoundaryPoint] What is an enclave
      yes logrono excuse me sir i have no accents means in spanish romania is an or rather un enclave & he is right in spanish in english we would say romania is
      Nov 04, 2001 @ 10:10 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4353. Re: [BoundaryPoint] What is an enclave
      thanx anton for your eagle eye & for calling us all to account for everything we say some will call it picking nits but the nits of giants make great eating in
      Nov 04, 2001 @ 10:11 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4354. RE: [BoundaryPoint] shortest+longest intn'l border bridges PLUS BAARLE
      Thanks for the comment, Anton. I expect, as Manfred is saying, this is a Netscape problem. Anyhow I will include a notification about this on the main page.
      Nov 04, 2001 @ 16:16 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
4355. The Geographical Centre of Europe
      I have received a fact-sheet from The French National Geographical Institute on how they made the calculations of the centre of Europe. The copy was not able
      Nov 04, 2001 @ 16:16 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@yahoo.no>)
4356. Re: [BoundaryPoint] The Geographical Centre of Europe
      nice going jan & this also goes a long way toward explaining how you & everyone else can rightly place the center of europe in lithuania while i am still
      Nov 04, 2001 @ 17:21 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4357. Re: [BoundaryPoint] What is an enclave
      ... nor punctuation eh I ve sometimes seen hispanophones write `nn (by analogy with `ll ?). [...] ... Depends on your relations with Turkey. Clockwise around
      Nov 04, 2001 @ 23:42 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4358. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Kentucky Exclave
      ... The western end of the Ky-Tn line is distinctly south of the Va-NC line; the jog is huge compared to the various kinks east of the Tennessee River. --
      Nov 04, 2001 @ 23:48 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4359. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Kentucky Exclave
      right anton i had to run out to the truck to recheck the bible & things were actually a bit more complicated than i just let on bus&ss p110f indicates 6 or 7
      Nov 05, 2001 @ 02:58 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4360. Cooch Behar
      What is the total area of the Cooch Behar enclaves (on each side)? What is the area of the one third-level enclave? -- Anton Sherwood
      Nov 05, 2001 @ 03:19 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4361. Re: [BoundaryPoint] What is an enclave
      ... hahaha with all due respect you know i am completely spotless except i cant seem to remove the dots from my i & j ... yes & also naturally enough since
      Nov 05, 2001 @ 03:14 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4362. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cooch Behar
      This looks like a job for Super-enclave-man! Up, up and enclaved! The 92 Bangladeshi exclaves/counterexclaves in India cover 12288.07 acres = 49.728 sq km.
      Nov 05, 2001 @ 07:56 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
4363. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cooch Behar
      ... Thank you, Superenclaveman! How do you do it? Is it the ultra-solar rays? [...] ... And how about the B-clave around it? -- Anton Sherwood
      Nov 05, 2001 @ 17:06 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4364. Baarle in 1815-30
      How old are the provincial boundaries in NL/Be? It seems strange that the lines between Noord-Brabant and Antwerpen were not `rationalised during the 15 years
      Nov 05, 2001 @ 17:15 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4365. Re: Baarle in 1815-30
      Roughly, these boundaries are pretty old. Some date back to the middle ages. Some are fairly new (North and South Holland weren t divided until about two
      Nov 05, 2001 @ 17:59 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4366. dutch provinces
      ... I thought it was already Flevoland when I visited in 1975. But I could be combining two memories of different origin. -- Anton Sherwood
      Nov 05, 2001 @ 18:10 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4367. Re: Cooch Behar
      ... Hmm. Last time we were in contact, you put the total at 109: 105 exclaves, 3 counterexclaves, 1 countercounterexclave. Has something changed, or has your
      Nov 05, 2001 @ 18:07 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4368. Re: What is an enclave
      It s a bit of an eternal discussion here. I understand Brendans arguments completely, and respect them, but I still differ. The exclave is landlocked for sure,
      Nov 05, 2001 @ 18:09 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4369. Re: dutch provinces
      I have just looked it up. It was on January 1, 1986, that Flevoland came into existence. Flevoland consists of (a.o.) two polders with that name: East and
      Nov 05, 2001 @ 18:15 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4370. Re: Westernmost Dutch spot
      It is, indeed, not as simple as I perhaps put it: there is still a French ministry of overseas territories (Min. des DOM-TOM, or Ministry of overseas
      Nov 05, 2001 @ 18:24 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4371. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: What is an enclave
      I was surprised by an apparent inconsistency of two of Brandon s recent opinions about enclaves. He stated that to be an enclave a fragment of territory must
      Nov 05, 2001 @ 18:52 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
4372. Re: dutch provinces -> oddities in terr. hierarchy
      ... Before that, the territory of the two Flevolands was known as the Public Body of the Southern IJsselmeer polders (the Noordoostpolder and the former
      Nov 05, 2001 @ 20:18 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4373. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: What is an enclave
      thanxx david for this subtle topological delicacy as well as for consistently calling our old & super brendon brandon yes i will eat your nits too for you may
      Nov 05, 2001 @ 21:34 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4374. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Cooch Behar
      i seem to recall 109 too so if he doesnt answer dont stop the presses on my account it is too expensive & so hard to publish these days isnt it m ...
      Nov 05, 2001 @ 21:38 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4375. Re: Cooch Behar
      ... I ve never stopped a press in my life - they just drag me in, maul me around a bit, and spit me out looking like nothing I ever intended. Grant
      Nov 05, 2001 @ 22:07 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4376. Re: What is an enclave
      ... Luckily you know, otherwise I would say: don t be afraid... ... Not yet, not yet. I was saying that between 1949 and 1963, the West Selfkant area was a
      Nov 05, 2001 @ 22:55 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4377. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Cooch Behar
      106. I had another look at all my sources, and I am now positive that 4 small enclaves I had previously are actually 4 chhits making up one single enclave.
      Nov 06, 2001 @ 00:28 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
4378. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: What is an enclave
      This is where the definitions start to get tricky. Taking France and Avignon/Orange, aking to Davids example of S.Afr and a bisected Lesotho: Avignon and
      Nov 06, 2001 @ 00:43 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
4379. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: dutch provinces -> oddities in terr. hierarchy
      The NW corner of NSW is not part of any shire or city. It is termed unincorporated area on maps. Likewise French island, a rural holiday retreat in Western
      Nov 06, 2001 @ 01:51 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
4380. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cooch Behar
      ... 110.97 acres = 44.91ha. all within the Balapara Khagrabari enclave of India, which is the largest Indian one, and was detailed in the original email. BW
      Nov 06, 2001 @ 01:58 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
4381. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Cooch Behar
      stop the presses i yield & defer to brendan as i was only quoting him in the first place m ...
      Nov 06, 2001 @ 02:12 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4382. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: What is an enclave
      nice thread you guys indeed imo our subtlest & finest happy hour to date m my picks of the highlights luckily there are no current examples of this its a part
      Nov 06, 2001 @ 02:13 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4383. dream machine
      now that our abilities to create & file & assemble things have been so amply demonstrated i wonder if this isnt the time to think again & more together about
      Nov 06, 2001 @ 02:14 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4384. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: dutch provinces
      ... Which islands, I see, are both now within NOP. -- Anton Sherwood
      Nov 06, 2001 @ 08:29 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4385. Re: Cooch Behar
      ... OK, ta. The revision has been fired off. I ve also revised my Perfs & Frags file in the Files area. Grant
      Nov 06, 2001 @ 13:50 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4386. Re: dutch provinces
      ... Schokland is part of the municipality of Noordoostpolder, but Urk has remained a municipality of it s own. This is because Urk always was a densely
      Nov 06, 2001 @ 15:34 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4387. US counties, unincorprated territories
      Very interesting. In the United States, states handle unincorporated areas differently. For 49 of the 50, land is divided into counties (shires). In places
      Nov 06, 2001 @ 17:38 - PitHokie (PitHokie <pithokie@...>)
4388. Re: [BoundaryPoint] US counties, unincorprated territories
      ... arif has pointed out in his weekly geographical curiosities for which see our top bp bookmarks link that the montana portion of yellowstone park hasnt been
      Nov 06, 2001 @ 18:01 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4389. Municipalities without inhabitants
      In France, there are some municipalities that don t have a single inhabitant! These are some villages that were devastated in WW 1, with no inhabitants left,
      Nov 06, 2001 @ 19:02 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4390. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Municipalities without inhabitants
      ... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
      Nov 06, 2001 @ 19:11 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4391. Re: Municipalities without inhabitants
      Acc. to a French minister in 1999, there were five such municipalities: see http://www.carrefourlocal.org/vie_locale/ministres/principes/13589.htm l Peter S.
      Nov 06, 2001 @ 19:11 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4392. Re: Municipalities without inhabitants
      Municipalities without inhabitants, Mails without reply, Games without frontiers? I hope not. Peter S. ... comptant ... près- ... Fleury- ...
      Nov 06, 2001 @ 19:18 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4393. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Municipalities without inhabitants
      peter please pardon the previous inadvertent post the hotmail scrollbar is immediately below the send button & my nephews mouse is a little sticky i was so
      Nov 06, 2001 @ 19:52 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4394. & now extremity bilines
      yes i believe i have now confirmed most of the info i blurted out in my previous post regarding absolute use & usw for these extreme points prove not to be
      Nov 06, 2001 @ 21:03 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4395. Bengali Venn Diagram
      I just drew myself this little diagram as an aide-memoire and summary of Brendan s most recent information on the Bengal enclaves. Maybe someone else might
      Nov 06, 2001 @ 23:02 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@cs.com)
4396. Re: & now extremity bilines
      ... paired ... a wet ... The 180 meridian is dry in two countries - Russia and Fiji. In Russia it chops through the middle of Wrangel Island and then the
      Nov 06, 2001 @ 23:23 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4397. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Municipalities without inhabitants
      ... Et l autre commune, la septieme: ou est-il? BW _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at
      Nov 06, 2001 @ 23:25 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
4398. Northern Ireland (UK) -Republic Of Ireland Border
      Belleek County Fermanagh has a Very strange Border you criss the Bridge then take a left (you crossed the border in the middle of the bridge) you are now in
      Nov 07, 2001 @ 01:13 - paul_scales67@yahoo.co.uk (paul_scales67@...)
4399. Re: [BoundaryPoint] US counties, unincorprated territories
      ... When I moved to Virginia, I found this to be very weird. I now live next to a section of Fairfax County (that has an enclaved part called Fairfax City but
      Nov 07, 2001 @ 01:19 - Andrew T. Patton ("Andrew T. Patton" <andrew@...>)
4400. Re: Re: [BoundaryPoint] US counties, unincorprated territories
      ... It is also interesting that the Montana portion of Yellowstone NP is part of the US District Court of Wyoming not US District Court of Montana (Also this
      Nov 07, 2001 @ 01:19 - Andrew T. Patton ("Andrew T. Patton" <andrew@...>)
4401. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: & now extremity bilines
      wowww multiheartwarming you got udu point sunrise beach & sunset beach warm my meridional palindromic & millennial hearts & who cares if the monument ever got
      Nov 07, 2001 @ 01:38 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4402. Re: Re: [BoundaryPoint] US counties, unincorprated territories
      ... please let us know anything more that you can about this case it sounds like tripoints may be involved thanx m
      Nov 07, 2001 @ 01:45 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4403. Re: [BoundaryPoint] US counties, unincorprated territories
      andrew this is actually quite an extraordinary nicety until you mentioned the peculiar power of independent cities to slurp up adjacent lands i had imagined
      Nov 07, 2001 @ 01:56 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4404. INDIAN TERRITORY STATUS?
      What is the status of an Indian Reservation. Is it sovreign, under US control, State control? thanks for any info!
      Nov 07, 2001 @ 01:56 - voit1@airmail.net (voit1@...)
4405. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Bengali Venn Diagram
      but wait then where are the 106 we struggled to stop the presses for or do these appear on a different diagram m ...
      Nov 07, 2001 @ 02:00 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4406. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Bengali Venn Diagram
      It fooled me for a moment too. Add up the INDIAN totals. Remember that the Indian counter enclaves are inside the BANGLADESHI enclaves. you don t add up the
      Nov 07, 2001 @ 03:00 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
4407. Virginia vs. Maryland
      ... The basis of the case is that Maryland controls the Potomac River. That is the border between Virginia and Maryland is at the waters edge on the Virginia
      Nov 07, 2001 @ 03:50 - Andrew T. Patton ("Andrew T. Patton" <andrew@...>)
4408. Re: Re: [BoundaryPoint] US counties, unincorprated territories
      ... I do not know much more, it is something I have wanted to research but have had the time. One this that I do know is that Virginia is a commonwealth * not
      Nov 07, 2001 @ 03:50 - Andrew T. Patton ("Andrew T. Patton" <andrew@...>)
4409. Re: [BoundaryPoint] US counties, unincorprated territories
      Andrew, What a small world! Yeah, I graduated Tech in 2000 with a BS in Management Science and currently live in Pittsburgh. Back on topic though :), I
      Nov 07, 2001 @ 05:06 - PitHokie (PitHokie <pithokie@...>)
4410. Re: [BoundaryPoint] US counties, unincorprated territories
      ... The city of Los Angeles includes numerous post offices with other names: Pacific Palisades, San Pedro, Sunland, Tujunga, Canoga Park, Chatsworth, Encino,
      Nov 07, 2001 @ 05:17 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4411. Re: [BoundaryPoint] US counties, unincorprated territories
      ... er, how? i remember a friend s comment that the Commonwealth of Virginia (or possibly one of the others) has State Police. -- Anton Sherwood
      Nov 07, 2001 @ 04:41 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4412. Re: [BoundaryPoint] US counties, unincorprated territories
      ... bus&ss p91 says the entire boundary of dc was surveyed in 1791 & was marked with sandstone mileposts in 1792 these mileposts except for those at the 4
      Nov 07, 2001 @ 05:57 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4413. Re: [BoundaryPoint] US counties, unincorprated territories
      ... So the 40 independent cities are the only incorporated municipalities in Virginia? -- Anton Sherwood
      Nov 07, 2001 @ 06:16 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4414. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Bengali Venn Diagram
      ... Is everybody on this list now Anton? Or does it just seem that way? -- Anton Sherwood
      Nov 07, 2001 @ 06:50 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4415. apologetic correctional facility
      We interrupt this email to bring you an erratum. Great diagramme GRANT!!! Now back to the message from our sponsor...
      Nov 07, 2001 @ 08:17 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
4416. BAARLE FAX
      BRENDAN, I HAVE NOT AS YET RECEIVED. BILL e@hotmail.com]
      Nov 07, 2001 @ 08:26 - Bill Burke ("Bill Burke" <bill@...>)
4417. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Northern Ireland (UK) -Republic Of Ireland Border
      Hello Paul, sounds extremely interesting...! Any clues about where exactly we can find this spot- pictures, maps...?? thanks ! Peter H. ... From:
      Nov 07, 2001 @ 08:37 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
4418. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Northern Ireland (UK) -Republic Of Ireland Border
      2km N of Clones, County Cavan (Eire), the road crosses into N.Ire for 700m, then back into Eire. There are no other acces points to this stretch of road, so
      Nov 07, 2001 @ 08:55 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
4419. To Bill B
      Sorry for posting this to list. Bill, BILLe@hotmail.com does not work. Have rpelied to your .org.uk address. Will try fax again tomorrow. BW
      Nov 07, 2001 @ 09:04 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
4420. Canton Appenzell
      Hi, I ve found something interesting about the canton Appenzell in Switzerland. Apparantly a part of it (county oberegg, an exclave) used to be as fragmented
      Nov 07, 2001 @ 09:58 - anton_zeilinger@hotmail.com (anton_zeilinger@...)
4421. Yahoo! Groups archive problems
      In the last couple of days, some groups have lost access to their message archives and group data. If you cannot currently access your group s message archive
      Nov 07, 2001 @ 13:03 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
4422. PlByUa tripoint near Wlodawa
      Hi boundary freaks, As some of you may know (the GCEBE people), I am in Lublin, Poland at the moment. The tripoint Poland-Belarus-Ukraine is not at all far
      Nov 07, 2001 @ 14:33 - Pepijn Hendriks ("Pepijn Hendriks" <pepijnh@...>)
4423. Re: US counties, unincorprated territories
      Texas is similar to Indiana in that there are large areas outside the jurisdiction of any city. The entirety of Texas is divided into counties. Texas counties
      Nov 07, 2001 @ 16:30 - jisham@mailandnews.com (jisham@...)
4424. Campione D'Italia in the News
      Swiss Police Detain Two Financiers By GABRIELLA BROGGI, Associated Press Writer CAMPIONE D ITALIA, Italy (AP) - Working in concert with the United States and
      Nov 07, 2001 @ 16:56 - andrew@AndrewPatton.com (andrew@...)
4425. Re: Bengali Venn Diagram
      ... Sorry Anton! I must admit that I am the new Anton! I m really surprised, to find another one, as this is not really a common name. However, to call
      Nov 07, 2001 @ 16:59 - anton_zeilinger@hotmail.com (anton_zeilinger@...)
4426. Re: US counties, unincorprated territories
      ... I think there is a difference between town and cities in Virginia. Towns are still part of the county, they just run some services such as police and
      Nov 07, 2001 @ 17:14 - andrew@AndrewPatton.com (andrew@...)
4427. Re: US counties, unincorprated territories
      ... Yes Virginia has a State Police (called surpisingly the Virginia State Police) and all the other elements of a state. The difference between a state and a
      Nov 07, 2001 @ 17:36 - andrew@AndrewPatton.com (andrew@...)
4428. Re: US counties, unincorprated territories
      ... Some towns do exist in Virginia but they are parts of counties that decided to run some of the government services by themselves. Mainly police and
      Nov 07, 2001 @ 17:38 - andrew@AndrewPatton.com (andrew@...)
4429. Re: [BoundaryPoint] US counties, unincorprated territories
      The difference is in name only. Governmentally, there is no difference between a state and a commonwealth. In addition to Virginia, Pennsylvania has a state
      Nov 07, 2001 @ 17:52 - PitHokie (PitHokie <pithokie@...>)
4430. Re: [BoundaryPoint] US counties, unincorprated territories
      No - I meant that (incorporated) for both towns and cities. I think the only difference lies in type of government. Here in Pennsylvania, that s the
      Nov 07, 2001 @ 17:58 - PitHokie (PitHokie <pithokie@...>)
4431. Re: [BoundaryPoint] US counties, unincorprated territories
      As does the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, and very possibly, Kentucky. Bill ... From: PitHokie To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 07,
      Nov 07, 2001 @ 18:02 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
4432. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bengali Venn Diagram
      ... thanxxx antons this clearly means we have achieved our multiantonhood & we really could call everyone anton well just for today anyway to celebrate this
      Nov 07, 2001 @ 18:04 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4433. Re: [BoundaryPoint] PlByUa tripoint near Wlodawa
      anton you better report on the tripoint whether we help or not m ... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download
      Nov 07, 2001 @ 18:06 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4434. Re: [BoundaryPoint] To Bill B
      anton dont be silly we arent the least bit sorry anton ... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN
      Nov 07, 2001 @ 18:08 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4435. Re: [BoundaryPoint] apologetic correctional facility
      anton truly great interruption anton ... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at
      Nov 07, 2001 @ 18:08 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4436. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Bengali Venn Diagram
      anton it is just that they are all using antonyms anton ... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN
      Nov 07, 2001 @ 18:10 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4437. longest shaggy bridge story
      anton will the gentleman named arne &or chris &or wertkauf of message 4306 please stand up & take a bow for that story about the longest bridge which it has
      Nov 07, 2001 @ 18:15 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4438. Re: [BoundaryPoint] INDIAN TERRITORY STATUS?
      anton i believe they are all 557 of them direct vassals of the federal govt which lies to them by assuring them they are fully sovereign entities but then
      Nov 07, 2001 @ 18:17 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4439. Re: Municipalities without inhabitants
      La 7me, c est Caunette-sur-Lauquet dans le département de l Aude. That has nothing to do with WW1, obviously. It s in the 2nd link I posted. There, the
      Nov 07, 2001 @ 18:17 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4440. Re: US counties, unincorprated territories
      ... I know that in Germany, two Laender have the official designation of Freistaat : Bavaria and Saxony. I don t know whether this has any implications.
      Nov 07, 2001 @ 18:24 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4441. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Canton Appenzell
      Scott Reid s book (Pulp Press, 1992) gives some details about the partition of Appenzell
      Nov 07, 2001 @ 18:49 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4442. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: US counties, unincorprated territories
      good queries anton it is true that the republic of texas had to be chopped down to size in order to become the state of texas for as big as it is now formerly
      Nov 07, 2001 @ 18:45 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4443. Re: INDIAN TERRITORY STATUS?
      ... Indian issues are a little complicated, first one needs to seperate Indian Tribes, Indians, and Indian Reservation. Federal Reconginized Indian Tribes are
      Nov 07, 2001 @ 18:51 - andrew@AndrewPatton.com (andrew@...)
4444. message 4444 try
      anton _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
      Nov 07, 2001 @ 18:54 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4445. Re: [BoundaryPoint] US counties, unincorprated territories
      I am awake, though my own computer isn t. I am trying to get somebody to fix it without paying nor without losing any data files (the virus attacked other
      Nov 07, 2001 @ 19:35 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
4446. Hawar Islands-Info request
      Hello All, Could anyone please post some good Pre & Post judgement maps of the disputed Hawar island (Qatar v/s Bahrain)- which was recently settled? I could
      Nov 07, 2001 @ 19:56 - imnaanu@yahoo.com (imnaanu@...)
4447. Hawar Islands-Info request- clarification
      Hello All, Sorry for the way the links appeared- you would have to copy and paste the entire line into the address bar of a new window- only then will you be
      Nov 07, 2001 @ 20:03 - imnaanu@yahoo.com (imnaanu@...)
4448. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: US counties, unincorprated territories
      ... There is a third one: Thuringia (Thüringen). ... No. Freistaat is just another word for republic. -- Manfred Härtel
      Nov 07, 2001 @ 20:38 - Manfred Haertel (Manfred Haertel <Manfred.Haertel@...>)
4449. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Centre of Asia marker
      ... But, actually, here is what may have happened. In the year 1071 (give or take a few centuries), the then-recently-formed Tuvanian government was pondering
      Nov 07, 2001 @ 22:33 - Todd Clare (Todd Clare <toddclare1@...>)
4450. Re: Centre of Asia marker
      Yeah, you never know... But still, in 1071 (give or take a few centuries) there was no city at Kyzyl, and certainly no city named Kyzyl there. The city was
      Nov 07, 2001 @ 22:49 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4451. Re: US counties, unincorprated territories
      ... OK. No implications (just as Free and Hanseatic City in the case of Hamburg). But what is the origin of this Freistaat ?? Peter S.
      Nov 07, 2001 @ 23:00 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4452. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: US counties, unincorprated territories
      Territories are self-governing, but less sovereign than the states. This has implications for tax and federal funding mainly, and presumably legal implications
      Nov 08, 2001 @ 00:20 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
4453. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Hawar Islands-Info request
      I wonder how many sea boundaries would creep onto land (other than at their endpoints, i mean) if the sea drops in an ice age. It seems to me that for most
      Nov 08, 2001 @ 05:43 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4454. Re: [BoundaryPoint] US counties, unincorprated territories
      ... including Kings and Richmond counties? ... Were the postal `cities in Queens (Long Island City, Flushing, Jamaica, Rockaway, Floral Park - according to
      Nov 08, 2001 @ 05:50 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4455. Texas Man Begins Attempt to Walk, Canoe 1,952-Mile U.S.-Mexico Border
      Nov 8, 2001 Texas Man Begins Attempt to Walk, Canoe 1,952-Mile U.S.-Mexico Border By Julie Watson Associated Press Writer MONTERREY, Mexico (AP) - Despite
      Nov 08, 2001 @ 08:52 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@kua.net>)
4456. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: US counties, unincorprated territories
      Peter et. al, Texas is unique in that it s the only part of the continental United States that was ever been independently governed as its own country. It s
      Nov 08, 2001 @ 13:11 - PitHokie (PitHokie <pithokie@...>)
4457. Brazil-Paraguay-Argentina
      Tri-point linked to bin Laden. Sort of. The story here: http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/americas/11/08/inv.terror.south/index.html Doug
      Nov 08, 2001 @ 16:03 - Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com ("Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com" <dmurray@...>)
4458. Re: US counties, unincorprated territories
      Hi, also, Texas is the only state in the U.S. which has the power to split into not more than four smaller chunks of convenient size which would have to be
      Nov 08, 2001 @ 16:19 - anton_zeilinger@hotmail.com (anton_zeilinger@...)
4459. Re: [BoundaryPoint] longest shaggy bridge story
      hello, what do you mean with take a bow ? chris ... From: m donner To: Sent: Wednesday, November 07,
      Nov 08, 2001 @ 16:34 - chris ("chris" <wertkauf@...>)
4460. Llívia: The war of the stop signs
      As you know, the enclave of Llivia is connected to Spain by a neutral road, under frech soverignity. This road ( the N-152 road, named CD-68 while runs into
      Nov 08, 2001 @ 20:14 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
4461. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Llívia: The war of the stop signs
      That bridge was a surprise to me, when I drove through Llivia in January 1997. After passing out of Llivia back into France, I was planning to turn right onto
      Nov 08, 2001 @ 21:21 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
4462. hiho igo ono etc
      ferndale ca day 176 since the odometer chanced to read exactly 55555 when the maxivan arrived at my nephews place i made certain to end our visit & depart on
      Nov 09, 2001 @ 03:57 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4463. Re: [BoundaryPoint] longest shaggy bridge story
      a curtain call perhaps like this chris an open invitation to regale us again whenever the spirit moves you & to observe we have new company in the ethereal
      Nov 09, 2001 @ 04:05 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4464. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: US counties, unincorprated territories
      anton this former power has actually already been discharged in the erection of new mexico oklahoma kansas colorado & wyoming into states out of parts of the
      Nov 09, 2001 @ 04:14 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4465. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: US counties, unincorprated territories
      lets also bear in mind that all these words states commonwealths territories etc etc have a different meaning from country to country & possibly even
      Nov 09, 2001 @ 04:20 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4466. Re: [BoundaryPoint] US counties, unincorprated territories
      well arif this is also very good in a way now that we get the curiosities direct by list post it is truly wonderful to find that there are indeed not only
      Nov 09, 2001 @ 04:27 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4467. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Texas Man Begins Attempt to Walk, Canoe 1,952-Mile U.S.-Mexico Border
      the bandits are the united states border patrol i was accosted so menacingly by them one time near eagle pass that i was sure from their vibe that they were
      Nov 09, 2001 @ 04:43 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4468. BePoUk map
      Here s a b/w scan of the tripoint. I have highlighted thre actual boundary. Scale 1:200,000, c.mid-1980s. Polish map. Each square is 4km x 4km. Tripoint is
      Nov 09, 2001 @ 05:23 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
4469. BePoUk map
      Here s a b/w scan of the tripoint. I have highlighted thre actual boundary. Scale 1:200,000, c.mid-1980s. Polish map. Each square is 4km x 4km. Tripoint is
      Nov 09, 2001 @ 05:24 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
4470. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BePoUk map
      nice shooting brendan any idea whether this is a thalweg junction tripoint or whether thalweg boundaries are or are not the default reality in any case m ...
      Nov 09, 2001 @ 20:11 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4471. more lost coast stuff
      if you are able to dream dreamscapes yet in waking reality & would enjoy a litorally bucolic idyll upon possibly the most very lost & choicest morsel of the
      Nov 09, 2001 @ 20:19 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4472. byplua correction
      a second look at the byplua aka bepouk etc map just provided by brendan makes me doubt it is a junction of watercourses tho it is unclear to my eyes in any
      Nov 09, 2001 @ 20:39 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4473. more lost & found
      eureka found the library close call but eureka is not the capital of the lost coast just the seat of humboldt county where the lost coast is the lost coast
      Nov 09, 2001 @ 23:44 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4474. Re: [BoundaryPoint] more lost & found
      eureka lake rue yes i seem to have found a lake rue in aylmer quebec not a lake named rue but a rue named lake
      Nov 10, 2001 @ 00:00 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4475. Re: [BoundaryPoint] more lost & found
      oops cannot confirm lake rue it was more likely rue lake which doesnt work m ... _________________________________________________________________ Get your
      Nov 10, 2001 @ 00:13 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4476. Llívia: the war of the stop signs. Some photos
      In addition to my last message, I’ve attached to this message some photos: Photo 1: the point where the “war of the stop signs” began. Coming from the
      Nov 10, 2001 @ 10:43 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@navegalia.com>)
4477. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: US counties, unincorprated territories
      Few things. First of all, Texas can split into five states or probably the correct way to put is four states can secede out of it. The Bahraini piece in Qatar
      Nov 10, 2001 @ 16:48 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
4478. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Llívia: the war of the stop signs. Somephotos
      ... Which side are we facing? -- Anton Sherwood
      Nov 10, 2001 @ 17:41 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4479. Re: Llívia: the war of the stop signs. Somephotos
      Anton, the photo is taken from the french side, next to the enclave, so we re facing to the spanish side. The bridge is almost totally in France. Marcel
      Nov 10, 2001 @ 18:08 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
4480. simultaneous multi crises of nomenclature & technique
      on the horns of crescent city my fellow giant trees nay humongous humangoes as you probably already guessed the outbreak of stop signs notwithstanding i am
      Nov 10, 2001 @ 21:39 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4481. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: US counties, unincorprated territories
      bus&ss p122 says in digest congress consented to the erection of texas to statehood provided it meaning congress retained the right to erect up to 4 new
      Nov 10, 2001 @ 21:52 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4482. usorca try continued
      brookings oregon in any case when the crescent city library closed at 2 there was nothing lefty to do but try to advance upon my point first of all i will say
      Nov 11, 2001 @ 00:56 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4483. Remember Nederland??
      of course you do! But, can you find it on the map? Well here is some aid: Nederland in Colorado: http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=39.96139&lon=-105.51028
      Nov 11, 2001 @ 19:06 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
4484. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Remember Nederland??
      Americus, Georgia = America? Bill ... From: Harry ten Veen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 2:06 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint]
      Nov 11, 2001 @ 19:09 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
4485. Bordermarker in Spokanië
      The Dutch author Rolandt Tweehuysen created a imaginaire country. He called it Spokanië and created everything a country needs. He even wrote a
      Nov 11, 2001 @ 20:09 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
4486. Tripoint AE/OM/SA
      Yes indeed, I spent some time surfing. This looks like a nice tripiont: http://www.reisomdewereld.nl/verhalen/moosten/drielandenpunt.html gl Harry ten Veen
      Nov 11, 2001 @ 20:15 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
4487. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Remember Nederland??
      Harry, my good old mate, in the US state of Maine there is a bunch of foreign names - Mexico, Sweden, Denmark, Norway and many more... as you can see on the
      Nov 11, 2001 @ 20:32 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
4488. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: US counties, unincorprated territories
      Anton, Very interesting. I wonder how, if this came to pass one day, it would contradict U.S. law that says no new states may be created from territory of
      Nov 11, 2001 @ 22:04 - PitHokie (PitHokie <pithokie@...>)
4489. Groot Moerhof, on befr
      Last month, I visited the farm that is right on the border of Belgium and France, the Groot Moerhof, in Adinkerke (B) and Gijvelde/Ghyvelde (F). The old farm
      Nov 11, 2001 @ 22:23 - Peter Smaardijk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Smaardijk?= <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
4490. Re: Remember Nederland??
      In Zealandic Flanders, there is the tiny village of Turkeye. Although the spelling is not entirely the same as for Turkey (Turkije in Dutch), the handfull of
      Nov 11, 2001 @ 22:28 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4491. Re: Bordermarker in Spokanië
      Harry, are you sure? Isn t it http://www.spok.demon.nl/grenzeno.htm ? I am a big fan of Spocania ever since I saw Tweehuysen on Dutch TV reading the Spocanian
      Nov 11, 2001 @ 22:32 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4492. Re: Remember Nederland??
      ....Which also reminds me of that other village in Zealandic Flanders, Boerenhol, which attracts people that want to have their picture taken next to the sign
      Nov 11, 2001 @ 22:40 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4493. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Remember Nederland??
      Southeast Lincolnshire in England used to be called Parts of Holland . The foreign placenames, esp in New England may be naed for that Holland, not the
      Nov 11, 2001 @ 23:08 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
4494. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bordermarker in Spokanië
      Your right Peter, I pasted the wrong link into my mail sorry. Indeed the hyperlink blow is the right one. (the other link had also some nice info, but I didn t
      Nov 11, 2001 @ 23:14 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
4495. Re: Remember Nederland??
      I believe the Fens have that name. The area is very flat and wet and reminiscent of Holland, and for a good reason, too: parts of it were made dry by Dutch
      Nov 11, 2001 @ 23:15 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4496. Re: [BoundaryPoint] usorca try continued
      coos bay oregon in the end no improvement was possible today either owing to the weather tho i climbed & manuvered around the greater canw & orsw area & may
      Nov 12, 2001 @ 00:44 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4497. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: US counties, unincorprated territories
      i still trust the bus&ss bible better than these web pages which make claims but dont substantiate also in reality any state can be broken into parts that are
      Nov 12, 2001 @ 00:49 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4498. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Northern Ireland (UK) -Republic Of Ireland Border
      Incidentally, Clones was the town used in the 1997 movie The Butcher Boy . If you want to see the truth about Irish Catholicism, see that movie. I thought
      Nov 12, 2001 @ 14:44 - John Kelly ("John Kelly" <johnkelly@...>)
4499. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Remember Nederland??
      There are several places in this country called Šveicarija (Switzerland), most likely due to the hilly landscape. Jan Vilnius, Lithuania
      Nov 12, 2001 @ 19:20 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
4500. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Remember Nederland??
      yachats or again & old cape perpetua too day 180 just returned to pick up my mail & was amazed to find the only library in the country that is open today my
      Nov 12, 2001 @ 23:21 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4501. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: US counties, unincorprated territories
      m and others, I think the law was passed after West Virginia was admitted to the Union in 1863. All other states admitted after her have not been carved from
      Nov 13, 2001 @ 05:11 - PitHokie (PitHokie <pithokie@...>)
4502. Enclave map now available.
      I have 10 copies of an A0-sized 1:130,000 colour map I have compiled of the Cooch Behar enclaves, which accompanies my thesis. The map shows the current and
      Nov 13, 2001 @ 05:39 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
4503. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: US counties, unincorprated territories
      ... Which law? The US Constitution says (Article IV Section 3 paragraph 1): New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall
      Nov 13, 2001 @ 08:52 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4504. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: US counties, unincorprated territories
      Anton, The law I was speaking of was indeed from the Constitution - I should have had my facts a little more in tact before making my post! Virginia was not
      Nov 13, 2001 @ 14:36 - PitHokie (PitHokie <pithokie@...>)
4505. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Remember Nederland??
      There are always odd concentrations of names. To find odd names all over the United States, I urge you to look at the book All over the Map and its sequel.
      Nov 13, 2001 @ 19:21 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
4506. home at large remembering nederland
      found the last 3 miles of pot holy road leading up to my national forest vista hideaway were all freshly graded in my absence into a red carpet treatment so
      Nov 13, 2001 @ 21:09 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4507. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Remember Nederland??
      European place names are dime a dozen in New York State as well as in many of the other States. I live in Lewis County, NY, a large but relatively unpopulated
      Nov 14, 2001 @ 04:27 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
4508. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: US counties, unincorprated territories
      ... But the United States claimed precisely that Virginia *was* a member of the Union. To treat it otherwise would undermine the pretext for the war. ... Yes,
      Nov 14, 2001 @ 06:40 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4509. names on the land
      ... According to G.R.Stewart in (i think; read it ages ago), the classical belt happened when some officials needed a bunch of names in a
      Nov 14, 2001 @ 07:29 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4510. Re: Remember Nederland??
      ... The section inside Fairfax City is the Judicaiary Center housing the Court House, Jail, and County Police. I had to go there a few years ago for Jury Duty.
      Nov 14, 2001 @ 14:55 - andrew@AndrewPatton.com (andrew@...)
4511. Re: Remember Nederland??
      ... The names of towns with in a state or part of a start can be a go indication of who settled there. New York City was settled by the duch giving us its
      Nov 14, 2001 @ 14:59 - andrew@AndrewPatton.com (andrew@...)
4512. Ramadan
      Ramadan will begin on Friday or Saturday so I wanted to wish our Muslim colleges a good Ramadan. To make this relate to the general topic, I was wondering what
      Nov 14, 2001 @ 15:15 - andrew@AndrewPatton.com (andrew@...)
4513. Re: names on the land
      ... Holland ... In the Netherlands, not really. This was because the Dutch king William I insisted that the old provinces should be restored. In some areas,
      Nov 14, 2001 @ 16:25 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4514. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Remember Nederland??
      I m going to unlurk from the list to comment on this one, as it involves the history of my hometown, the Bronx... The Bronx was named after Jonas Bronck, who,
      Nov 14, 2001 @ 16:55 - jamatotest (jamatotest <jamato@...>)
4515. [BoundaryPoint] Re: Remember Nederland??
      I did notice the other odd enclave-type situations on the map site of Fairfax, but I found the Fairfax City one interesting Fairfax City being an independent
      Nov 14, 2001 @ 20:54 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
4516. antipodes tonite
      day 182 & a half pinpoint arrival by jc in lightning & thunder & horizontal rain well beyond the speed limit just not sure we are ready for a house yet so not
      Nov 14, 2001 @ 21:04 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4517. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: names on the land
      My understanding is that Belgium s provinces are basically the same as the French depts. BW ...
      Nov 14, 2001 @ 23:19 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
4518. National Geographic
      I found this newsgroup article: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=enclaves+geographic&hl=en&rnum=1&selm=3B4C90B6.502F%40strad.con Does anyone know the issue of
      Nov 15, 2001 @ 05:27 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
4519. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Ramadan
      ... Donald Moffitt s novel portrays a Muslim society on Mars. People carry little gadgets that point to Mecca, i.e. Earth. In free-fall,
      Nov 15, 2001 @ 05:53 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4520. Re: [BoundaryPoint] National Geographic
      Superenclaveman to the rescue! William Graves & Bruce Dale The Rhine, Europe s River of Legend April 1967, v131 #4, pp449-99. Esp 492-3. Talks of Verenahof and
      Nov 15, 2001 @ 07:13 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
4521. Re: National Geographic
      ... q=enclaves+geographic&hl=en&rnum=1&selm=3B4C90B6.502F%40strad.con ... other issues about borders? ... Allard, William Albert Two Wheels Along the Mexican
      Nov 15, 2001 @ 15:37 - Asher Samuels ("Asher Samuels" <asher972@...>)
4522. crazy but true
      for some reason the aaa road atlas endeavors in its 2000 edition to depict for the first time the maritime boundary of the state of california it fails utterly
      Nov 15, 2001 @ 21:10 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4523. Using GPS for Math, Science & Social Studies
      Any educators interested in GPS in this group? Anton, aka N2RUD ... NYGPS List - Using GPS for Math, Science & Social Studies
      Nov 15, 2001 @ 23:25 - Anton Ninno, N2RUD ("Anton Ninno, N2RUD" <aninno@...>)
4524. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Using GPS for Math, Science & Social Studies
      Sure...a lot of us use GPS in our boundary explorations. I also use it for work (developing telecommunication sites) as well as aviation. Bill (inactive
      Nov 15, 2001 @ 23:28 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
4525. enclave map prices
      After extensive negotiations with the nice lady at Australia Post, I can now reveal postage prices for the few remaining maps of the Cooch Behar enclaves.
      Nov 15, 2001 @ 23:50 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
4526. Re: crazy but two
      AAA did something similar on their Minnesota map where it depicts MIMNON approximately 10 miles out into Lake Superior, whereas it is actually about three
      Nov 16, 2001 @ 02:43 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
4527. Maps of Afghanistan (fwd)
      ... Subject: Maps of Afghanistan Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 13:53:52 -0800 (PST) From: SpasticMutant To: Silent Tristero
      Nov 16, 2001 @ 04:55 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4528. real border freaks look like this!
      Dear boundary freaks.... attached a picture that was very typical during our GCEBE.....situations like this occured at least 200 times... enjoy Peter H.
      Nov 16, 2001 @ 09:08 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
4529. Re: [BoundaryPoint] real border freaks look like this!
      Who was the odd person taking pictures of people taking pictures? Or was it a border stone taking pictures? Ah, borders! Doug -- Doug Murray Productions
      Nov 16, 2001 @ 15:02 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
4530. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: crazy but two
      brian thats an improvement in my editions aaa doesnt show mimnon at all you have to imagine it somewhere off the map which is truly crazy also about
      Nov 16, 2001 @ 21:58 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4531. swiss german territory exchange - 1960's
      I have been trying to find out more about swiss and german en/exclaves that existed back in the 60 s. I once found treaties about the exchange on a swiss
      Nov 17, 2001 @ 02:00 - voit1@airmail.net (voit1@...)
4532. Re: [BoundaryPoint] real border freaks look like this!
      No, mate - it was in fact Mr. Jesperson taking this unique picture... Have a nice weekend! Peter ... From: Doug Murray Date: Friday, November 16, 2001 16:02:22
      Nov 17, 2001 @ 07:26 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
4533. swiss german territory exchange - 1960's
      BÜSINGEN Area: 7.62 km² Population: 920 (c.1972) Elevation: 390-485m A small German town enclaved in Switzerland, only 700m from Germany along the Gailingen
      Nov 17, 2001 @ 09:32 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
4534. Greetings from Washington, DC
      I send my greetings to my fellow boundary enthusiasts. I am fortunate to have a job studying boundaries for a living, but am in awe at the amount of wonderful
      Nov 17, 2001 @ 13:32 - mrrayj@peoplepc.com (mrrayj@...)
4535. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Greetings from Washington, DC
      Welcome Ray...we look forward to hearing more from you! Bill ... From: mrrayj@peoplepc.com To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001
      Nov 17, 2001 @ 14:23 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
4536. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Greetings from Washington, DC
      ... which website?? -- Anton Sherwood -- http://ogre.nu/ (not working just now)
      Nov 17, 2001 @ 18:44 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4537. day 1 on rostah cay
      day 185 & the living end finale period punto of the great antipodes serendipities longest if not also most illustrious of all the bp try pointing expeditions
      Nov 17, 2001 @ 19:25 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4538. Re: [BoundaryPoint] swiss german territory exchange - 1960's
      nice work superclaveman now can you or anyone also help me to understand at last something i keep asking but never get fully satisfied about because i havent
      Nov 17, 2001 @ 19:36 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4539. Re: [BoundaryPoint] swiss german territory exchange - 1960's
      IT is totally enclaved by Switzerland. The shortest road route fomr the enclave to Germany is 700m. There is also passage down the internationalised Rhine, but
      Nov 18, 2001 @ 01:06 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
4540. Re: swiss german territory exchange - 1960's
      thanks for the thoughts. My original post was based on a map I saw while living in Zurich back in 91. About a year ago I stumbled (virtually) upon the swiss
      Nov 18, 2001 @ 01:15 - voit1@airmail.net (voit1@...)
4541. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: swiss german territory exchange - 1960's
      See the German Bundesgesetzblatt (published in Bonn), part 2, #33, 28 July 1967 for the treaty and maps showing the numerous small border rectifications
      Nov 18, 2001 @ 01:32 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
4542. Re: swiss german territory exchange - 1960's
      The last picture on this web page is the Verenahof: http://www.mypage.bluewin.ch/schule-buettenhardt/unser_dorf.htm . Peter S. ... 28 July ... other ... maps
      Nov 18, 2001 @ 17:58 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4543. new kingdom around lake constance?
      For those of you, who speak German: http://www.seemeile.ch/dyn/news/data/20010920-003-tips-zrh.html For those, who don`t: a selfcroned majesty of the United
      Nov 18, 2001 @ 21:03 - chris ("chris" <wertkauf@...>)
4544. Re: swiss german territory exchange - 1960's
      the map I saw show several tiny parcels of land miles into Germany. So the issue seems to go beyong just one town / location.
      Nov 18, 2001 @ 22:42 - voit1@airmail.net (voit1@...)
4545. Appenzell
      Can anyone tell me why the half-cantons of Appenzell (divided in 1597) are named Inner Rhoden and Ausser Rhoden? Is Rhod the name of a stream or
      Nov 18, 2001 @ 23:50 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4546. Palindromes at geographical extremes
      Michael: I think the Inuktitut name for Thule, Qaanaaq, probably makes it the most northerly palindromic place-name in the world. And Udu Peninsula in Fiji is
      Nov 19, 2001 @ 00:04 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4547. Re: new kingdom around lake constance?
      Brilliant! As if one Paddy Roy Bates isn t enough! Peter S. ... increases his territory step by step. ... germany and austria by fax, that their land belongs
      Nov 19, 2001 @ 13:11 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4548. Re: Appenzell
      The Rhodes (German plural Rhoden, singular Rhode) used to be subdivisions of the area, acc. to http://www.snl.ch/dhs/externe/protect/textes/D7389-1-96.html .
      Nov 19, 2001 @ 17:22 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4549. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Palindromes at geographical extremes
      grant great observations & questions which i will undertake to answer definitively in due time southernmost might prove to be also a reduplicating pal in oz
      Nov 19, 2001 @ 20:10 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4550. Re: Palindromes at geographical extremes
      ... No, Qaanaaq turns out to be well north of the North Slope (a bit like my home in Scotland - what English folk call The North is a couple of hours drive
      Nov 20, 2001 @ 01:38 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4551. enclave map corrections
      For those who purchased a map fomr me, here are the details of the illegible placenames, easily fixed with a pencil or thin-nibbed pen: between Dinhata and
      Nov 20, 2001 @ 01:49 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
4552. Re: National Geographic
      The March 1918 issue of NatGeo has an article about smuggling in the Republic of Andorra - but the text covers Llivia for the most part. Regards LN in DC ...
      Nov 20, 2001 @ 05:35 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
4553. CH - D Border Trades in 1960s
      I hope this works. I tried to attach a file by reply while in the group site, but couldn t see how. So I have attached it to this message, hoping it works.
      Nov 20, 2001 @ 01:18 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@home.com>)
4554. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Palindromes at geographical extremes
      ... And Sutherland is to your north. It s all in point of view! -- Anton Sherwood -- http://ogre.nu/ (online again, Nov.19)
      Nov 20, 2001 @ 06:33 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4555. Postal Cancels from Enclaves
      While I m in thew writing mood, I thought I d contribute an illustration from my specialty, which is the postal history of enclaves and exclaves. With the
      Nov 20, 2001 @ 01:34 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@home.com>)
4556. Re: CH - D Border Trades in 1960s -> & denl?
      A very nice map! I think I ve seen it somewhere on the Internet, but I can t think of where that was anymore. ... group ... no ... Yes please! Keep them
      Nov 20, 2001 @ 17:57 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4557. Re: Palindromes at geographical extremes
      ... That s right. And from the above any right-thinking Scot can only deduce that the rest of the world has been built upside-down. Grant
      Nov 20, 2001 @ 19:19 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4558. extreme pal quests advance
      this is just to report a missing message entitled day 4 on rostah cay so please be on the lookout for it & consider the following either an addition to it or a
      Nov 20, 2001 @ 22:07 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4559. Re: extreme pal quests advance
      ... I ve just knocked together a primitive palindrome-detector in VB and run it through the GeoNet downloadable files for Canada & Greenland. Otto Fjord is at
      Nov 20, 2001 @ 23:53 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4560. Re: extreme pal quests advance
      amazing grant you just knocked together a pal detector hahaha & ran it thru some data bases hahahahaha but this is incredible & indeed it amounts to finding
      Nov 21, 2001 @ 06:29 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4561. British boundary markers
      I have a colleague that is going to cross the Spanish-Gibraltar border, and asked me if she should photograph some boundary markers. I told her that finding
      Nov 21, 2001 @ 17:17 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
4562. RE: [BoundaryPoint] British boundary markers
      Jesper, As of the early 1990s, there were border markers on the original border between Hong Kong and China. This quote is taken from my book: On the eastern
      Nov 21, 2001 @ 17:23 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
4563. Baarle-page translated in English
      Following a request of Bill Burke I made a translation of my webpage on the Baarle enclaves. Surf to: http://home.wanadoo.nl/~eefberns/index.html And -
      Nov 21, 2001 @ 18:41 - Eef Berns ("Eef Berns" <eefberns@...>)
4564. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Baarle-page translated in English
      I ve made this little cutout of one of Eef s maps (I hope he - and TDN - won t mind), marking the right location of the De Withagen enclave, acting on the
      Nov 21, 2001 @ 20:15 - Peter Smaardijk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Smaardijk?= <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
4565. Re: British boundary markers
      Here you can see a group of officials setting one up: http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Teahouse/2286/history.htm (last picture). Peter S. ... border ... at the
      Nov 21, 2001 @ 20:37 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4566. extreme pal news tour try revisited
      grant on further reflection now that i realize what you can do & while some of my earlier reflections are still missing in the ether i believe our try pointing
      Nov 21, 2001 @ 22:25 - michael donner (michael donner <orc@...>)
4567. Re: swiss german territory exchange - 1960's
      Acc. to http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/gg/cr/1964/19640235.html , the treaty came into force on Oct. 4, 1967. The text of the treaty:
      Nov 21, 2001 @ 22:16 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4568. Re: Capitals vs. Borders
      Isn t Trenton, NJ right on the Delaware River boundary w/ PA? ... against the ... is ... right ... http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
      Nov 21, 2001 @ 22:54 - Pete ("Pete" <Osafp@...>)
4569. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: British boundary markers
      I understand that there are markers along the UK base/Cyprus borders, and gates too that can be closed if necesasary on the roads. See the latest Lonely Planet
      Nov 21, 2001 @ 23:03 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
4570. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Baarle-page translated in English
      Bingo! Nice work. BW ... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at
      Nov 21, 2001 @ 23:06 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
4571. Re: Capitals vs. Borders
      ... thank you very much indeed pete for presenting us here with our first full circle discussion point or global point as it were for trenton was where this
      Nov 21, 2001 @ 23:12 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4572. Re: British boundary markers
      ... what is remarkable about monolithicness in a boundary monument or do you mean something about their age if age please pursue if at all possible my dear
      Nov 21, 2001 @ 23:18 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4573. Re: British boundary markers
      ... that was very sporting & creative of you jesper m
      Nov 21, 2001 @ 23:25 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4574. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: British boundary markers
      When I crossed the Eng/Sco boundary near Jedburgh, there were two monoliths, shaped like the menhirs obelix carries in the Asterix books. They said Scotland on
      Nov 21, 2001 @ 23:32 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
4575. Re: extreme pal news tour try revisited
      Michael: GeoNet has downloadables for all countries but the USA. That defect is filled by the USGS, which provides state-by-state data for the US and some
      Nov 21, 2001 @ 23:48 - Grant Hutchison (Grant Hutchison <granthutchison@...>)
4576. Re: extreme pal news tour try revisited
      grant major thanx very interesting & of course i would like to give it a try so i do gratefully accept your offer even while not grasping its implications
      Nov 22, 2001 @ 00:05 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4577. Re: new kingdom around lake constance?
      we must have somehow gotten wind of this as early as august 10 when near the very end of message 3541 we were trying to incite the gcebe to undertake a similar
      Nov 22, 2001 @ 00:26 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4578. Baarle map errata
      The attached files copy Jesper s Withagen correction for 5 other lacunae in the Dutch 25k maps of Baarle. Excuse the weird colours in the first two. I am still
      Nov 22, 2001 @ 00:36 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
4579. Re: Baarle map errata
      ... superclaveman i dont see how we can possibly excuse the weird colors in the first two especially in that second one m
      Nov 22, 2001 @ 01:57 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4580. Re: Greetings from Washington, DC
      whatt i believe you about the not working just now part m
      Nov 22, 2001 @ 02:02 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4581. Re: Maps of Afghanistan (fwd)
      i agree they rock especially considering there is no better alternative collection but doesnt it seem odd that the cia is still the rave of the net for paper
      Nov 22, 2001 @ 02:19 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4582. Re: British boundary markers
      ... thanx dream on & now i will have to read that too unless you can give me another of your snapshot synopses actually the full address you dont usually see
      Nov 21, 2001 @ 23:48 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4583. Re: Remember Nederland??
      ... kattskill into lake george may be the northernmost kill lying about 60 miles north of albany but the distant schuylkill river which descends to the
      Nov 22, 2001 @ 03:37 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4584. Re: Groot Moerhof, on befr
      ... where a literally resident informant has been routinely & deliberately misl= eading visitors about which of two very close markers is the true tristate p=
      Nov 22, 2001 @ 04:25 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4585. Re: US counties, unincorprated territories
      not to beat a very slow horse but i am seriously wondering what i might have meant by etc herebelow besides the mentioned republics of california & dixie
      Nov 22, 2001 @ 05:11 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4586. Re: Brazil-Paraguay-Argentina
      ... yes doug & i would stress the sort of part for the story you bring here is actually only about the greater tricountry area surrounding the tripoint you
      Nov 22, 2001 @ 05:27 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4587. [Fwd: [BoundaryPoint] CH - D Border Trades in 1960s]
      Hi. Here are the rest - there were 9 total. I hope the resolution, etc., is satisfactory. If not, let me know. They come from the edition Das Büsinger
      Nov 22, 2001 @ 00:43 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
4588. Re: Hawar Islands-Info request
      it strikes me as almost inconceivable that any of our present international boundaries of which few to none are more than about 7 centuries old & most are
      Nov 22, 2001 @ 05:39 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4589. Re: Hawar Islands-Info request
      thank you again imn we have been aware of this case & these maps & we are also still looking for better postjudgment maps as well as more clarity about the
      Nov 22, 2001 @ 06:02 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4590. Re: message 4444 try
      nice shooting maxie thats a meld & in fact youve got all 4 railroads now but will anyone ever land on them not to say pay you rent & will you be able to
      Nov 22, 2001 @ 06:11 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4591. Re: [Fwd: [BoundaryPoint] CH - D Border Trades in 1960s]
      len as europe is asleep & we seem to be the only 2 still awake here i just want to thank you for these progressively interesting shots & to wonder whether
      Nov 22, 2001 @ 06:27 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4592. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Hawar Islands-Info request
      ... There s none in the Adriatic, or Malta-Italy-Tunisia, or Denmark-Sweden-Germany? -- Anton Sherwood -- http://www.ogre.nu/ (online again, Nov.19)
      Nov 22, 2001 @ 06:38 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4593. Re: PlByUa tripoint near Wlodawa
      dear pepijn i really didnt mean to put you off with the clownishness & am seriously looking forward to your report & now that brendan has helped with that
      Nov 22, 2001 @ 06:37 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4594. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Hawar Islands-Info request
      ... What if I told you I m writing a scifi novel set a million years from now, in which self-repairing robots continue to enforce laws set down in 2084? Well
      Nov 22, 2001 @ 07:16 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4595. Re: VTN,NDN, MTN, IDN, WAN
      er what coords did you enter for ors & more importantly how did you finally settle on them or what exactly were the computer assisted manipulations & how
      Nov 22, 2001 @ 07:46 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4596. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Baarle-page translated in English
      THANKS FOR THE TRANSLATION. i HOPE TO MAKE MY FIRST VISIT TO bAARLE IN THE SPRING. ... From: Eef Berns [mailto:eefberns@dds.nl] Sent: 21 November 2001 18:41
      Nov 22, 2001 @ 08:09 - Bill Burke ("Bill Burke" <bill@...>)
4597. Re: Hawar Islands-Info request
      ... perhaps there is i am not absolutely sure but i think you may be thinking of eez tripoints or else thinking of potentially real but not yet negotiated
      Nov 22, 2001 @ 08:24 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4598. Re: fresh try du jour
      ahh finally i have reached my target message 4285 so i can soon go to sleep at last but i just have to reiterate this question one more time ... i do know a
      Nov 22, 2001 @ 08:36 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4599. Re: Hawar Islands-Info request / Tuvalu
      On a different note, what if borders or even countries disappear because of the RISING sea level? This is apparently a real problem, see the Earth Policy
      Nov 22, 2001 @ 11:55 - anton_zeilinger@hotmail.com (anton_zeilinger@...)
4600. Re: British boundary markers / Gibraltar
      Speaking of Gibraltar, according to CNN new talks were held, see http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/11/20/gibraltar.talks/index.html Spain won t give up its
      Nov 22, 2001 @ 12:02 - anton_zeilinger@hotmail.com (anton_zeilinger@...)
4601. Re: Baarle map errata
      AND the Loveren enclave is missing on the Dutch map! Peter S. ... lacunae in ... two. I ... Zondereihgen has a ... removed. ... H9 is ...
      Nov 22, 2001 @ 12:43 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4602. Re: Groot Moerhof, on befr
      ... at demdpa= ... deliberately misl= ... tristate p= ... formerly e= ... OK, credit where credit s due. I got this great rule from Jesper in Baarle-Nassau, as
      Nov 22, 2001 @ 17:50 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4603. Re: US counties, unincorprated territories
      Do you mean that all those republics were independent at one point? A bit like the different Boer republics in South Africa in the 19th century (not only
      Nov 22, 2001 @ 17:53 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4604. Buesingen Map
      In response to an earlier posting, here is an extract of the Buesingen portion of sheet 1032 of the Landeskarte der Schweiz, 1:25000, 1966 edition. Anyone who
      Nov 22, 2001 @ 13:18 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
4605. [Fwd: Buesingen Map]
      Let s try that attachment again. In response to an earlier posting, here is an extract of the Buesingen portion of sheet 1032 of the Landeskarte der Schweiz,
      Nov 22, 2001 @ 13:20 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@home.com>)
4606. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: VTN,NDN, MTN, IDN, WAN
      ... Interesting. How many times does the line of monuments cross 49 (not counting the Northwest Angle), and where are these crossings? How many monuments,
      Nov 22, 2001 @ 18:21 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4607. Tuvalu
      ... Tuvalu s territorial sovereignty ought to remain, as it is not defined by proximity to land. But a nation in absentia is an interesting concept. If its
      Nov 22, 2001 @ 18:23 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4608. Re: [Fwd: Buesingen Map]
      Nice map! Yet another one, leaving m to muse about the farmer... Another thing: note the Schaffhausen cantonal (internal Swiss) border in the Rhine!
      Nov 22, 2001 @ 18:23 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4609. Busingen Map Attached - again.
      I double checked to see if the map made it OK, and see the link didn t work - even though apparently one member managed to see it. Here is is again.
      Nov 22, 2001 @ 13:50 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@home.com>)
4610. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CH - D Border Trades in 1960s
      Nice maps, Len, but i don t find numbers 1 & 2. Some attachments don t work. Can you post again the file? Marcel
      Nov 22, 2001 @ 20:31 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
4611. Re: CH - D Border Trades in 1960s
      Marcel, forget about the first two. These are ads in web e-mail. That is, if you mean things called C: windows TEMP nsmail... (etc.). Peter S. ... don t
      Nov 22, 2001 @ 20:37 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4612. Re: Busingen Map Attached - again.
      ... thanxxx len & similarly to brendan for his recent offerings they were worth the extra effort as far as i am concerned even if they hadnt lent peter this
      Nov 22, 2001 @ 23:54 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4613. Re: US counties, unincorprated territories
      ... not sure i mean the indian stream republic did look awfully real for some time but not necessarily any of the others i guess its a question of whether &
      Nov 23, 2001 @ 00:07 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4614. Re: US counties, unincorprated territories
      ... point? ... time ... movement or whatever it is that manifests like that deserves to be called a state or country etc ... ... when others let them (i.e. the
      Nov 23, 2001 @ 00:09 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4615. [BoundaryPoint] Re: CH - D Border Trades in 1960s -> & denl?
      The boundaries of Schaffhausen is very interesting. It is divided into three parts, all North of Rhine plus a small piece of one of the part south of Rhine
      Nov 23, 2001 @ 00:33 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
4616. Re: Groot Moerhof, on befr
      ... thank you thank you it is all allowed as well as appreciated indeed i wish everyone would offer more of & about what they like & why Also, I like ... yes
      Nov 23, 2001 @ 00:35 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4617. Re: VTN,NDN, MTN, IDN, WAN
      ... did you know you can answer all these questions & more just by studying the data given at http://www.geocan.nrcan.gc.ca/ibc/coordinates/SECT-M-83.txt m
      Nov 23, 2001 @ 01:17 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4618. Another Büsingen map
      Courtesy of Peter Hering (I hope) Jesper
      Nov 23, 2001 @ 05:07 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
4619. Re: Perfs & Frags
      grant tho this huge first try of yours at a complete topological model of the sovereign world still eludes my reception of it i do stand in awe of what i
      Nov 23, 2001 @ 05:38 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4620. Re: re recent dc & pr questions
      ... i believe it was always a sort of back lot & never really got developed anything like the left bank did so eventually congress voted to give it back to
      Nov 23, 2001 @ 06:26 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4621. Gib talks
      Besides the fact that an independent Gib would be pressured or invadeeby Spain, while if it remains part of the UK, Spain dare not just walk in. So, if tlaks
      Nov 23, 2001 @ 07:43 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
4622. Re: Ads in my stuff - not from me
      I saw the ads - they were strange - I didn t put them there. Look further in the list of attachments to that message with the two ads, and you ll find my stuff
      Nov 23, 2001 @ 16:19 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
4623. Re: Ads in my stuff - not from me
      I saw the ads - they were strange - I didn t put them there. Look further in the list of attachments to that message with the two ads, and you ll find my stuff
      Nov 23, 2001 @ 16:19 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
4624. Re: re recent dc & pr questions
      There were two retrocessions one large, one more recent and really small - I have the texts of the laws placing this into effect - if anyone wants to see
      Nov 23, 2001 @ 16:23 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
4625. Re: re recent dc & pr questions
      yes len & major thanx for this & at least another dose of detail here on principal speaking for at least several interested parties present the only second
      Nov 23, 2001 @ 18:06 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4626. anton discovers huge expanses in bp
      hello & salutes all this is just to let you know i am now aware thanx to anton that there is some mysterious bloating or growth process going on here in my
      Nov 23, 2001 @ 19:13 - michael donner (michael donner <orc@...>)
4627. double line bug & nautical miles
      anton has identified the new growth glitch or glitz as the double line bug so i would like to see how far we can go without carriage returns & am thus
      Nov 23, 2001 @ 20:06 - michael donner (michael donner <orc@...>)
4628. Re: re recent dc & pr questions
      I ll have to dig into this further, but my initial take on this is that the second retrocession I mentioned did not involve the pierheads as the 1945 Act
      Nov 23, 2001 @ 20:13 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
4629. Re: Perfs & Frags
      ... 324 fragments producing so few as 267 perforations The figures have changed in the light of Brendan s recent recount of the Bengali enclaves, and after a
      Nov 23, 2001 @ 20:15 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4630. Re: double line bug & nautical miles
      ... I can variegate better than that - it says here the US nautical mile was defined in 1954 as exactly 6076.11549ft. Here in the UK we rejoice under a
      Nov 23, 2001 @ 20:35 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4631. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: double line bug & nautical miles
      grant where is that here of yours not just in the uk i hope for i can scarcely ignore a purported united states standard measurement for purposes of
      Nov 23, 2001 @ 23:45 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4632. Re: double line bug & nautical miles
      ... In my Dent Dictionary of Measurement, which I had on my lap as I typed (and therefore out of your line of sight, clearly). It s a marvellous reference -
      Nov 23, 2001 @ 23:59 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4633. Re: double line bug & nautical miles
      ... trigonometric ... the target ... Is it just due west from your starting coords? I could do you that on a spherical earth, but I think it would be a tad
      Nov 24, 2001 @ 00:06 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4634. Re: Capitals vs. Borders
      thank you, i feel very welcome. Now do you know why the along the otherwise-straight border of Connecticut and Massachusetts, Massachusetts takes a little bite
      Nov 24, 2001 @ 00:22 - Pete ("Pete" <Osafp@...>)
4635. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Capitals vs. Borders
      The reason for this peculiar deviation from a straight boundary, known as the Southwick jog, is that in adjusting errors in the boundary line beteen
      Nov 24, 2001 @ 00:44 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
4636. double line bug & nautical miles
      happily i can report it now appears from here that everyone else at bp is looking just as gigantesque & doubly spacious as i myself am & it is not at all
      Nov 24, 2001 @ 01:27 - michael donner (michael donner <orc@...>)
4637. Re: Capitals vs. Borders
      thanx pete we do know why because in addition to what david has offered from van zandt below there is also given on the same page in bus&ss the more
      Nov 24, 2001 @ 01:43 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4638. Re: double line bug & nautical miles
      ... grant thats ok i would love to try it twice anyway but then what would be the basis of my more accurate second try & yes waorus is by tripartite
      Nov 24, 2001 @ 01:58 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4639. Re: double line bug & nautical miles
      ... in 1954 they were probably conceited enough to think they were splitting the atom but in 2001 all these 5 digits are given with real feasibility by the
      Nov 24, 2001 @ 02:05 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4640. Re: Perfs & Frags
      ... well it will be sublime not just to have it all completed & in one place but especially to have this additional fix on everyones land & i would
      Nov 24, 2001 @ 02:20 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4641. Re: double line bug & nautical miles
      ... What latitude? And are we talking west-along-that-parallel or west-from- there-along-the-great-circle? ... splitting the ... the best ... Um. Well...
      Nov 24, 2001 @ 02:26 - Grant Hutchison (Grant Hutchison <granthutchison@...>)
4642. Re: double line bug & nautical miles
      ... dyou mean you need to know the freakin latitude too well of course ahem it is n46d15m precisely to as many digits of zero as you like & i had thought
      Nov 24, 2001 @ 03:41 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4643. Re: re recent dc & pr questions
      ... just so & i am pretty sure i was able to use the pierhead alignment as recently as about 1998 for what is probably still the only class b visit ever made
      Nov 24, 2001 @ 04:28 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4644. Re: Canadian Broadcasting Corp. radio broadcast on Point Roberts, WA
      ... doug a belated but sincere thanx tho i am still looking forward to seeing your radio interview transcript at least must i say pretty please o megashameless
      Nov 24, 2001 @ 04:53 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4645. Re: re anchorage & great circles & voronoi
      ... wouldnt anyone besides me like to know what these very particular 2 points are or even just like to try for them also i apologize for beating all these
      Nov 24, 2001 @ 05:14 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4646. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: double line bug & nautical miles
      ... So it s west-along-that-parallel then? ... A loxodrome is a curve which always cuts the lines of longitude at the same angle (and is therefore straight on
      Nov 24, 2001 @ 05:48 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4647. Re: Some one got inspired....
      ... that is a very elegant observation ... how about if worse ones cleaned up any dozen of them & i ask in full cognizance & appreciation of your prowesses in
      Nov 24, 2001 @ 05:46 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4648. Re: double line bug & nautical miles
      ... man i sure would have thought so until you requestioned it but maybe i should & will recheck the legal text tomorrow ... oh no not more great circle
      Nov 24, 2001 @ 05:52 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4649. Re: Attempt #2 to send my GCEBE link
      ... this from message 4076 was originally posted oct 12 & possibly last improved oct 21 so please check back here to the already at least 10 pages of gonzo
      Nov 24, 2001 @ 07:08 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4650. GCEBE tripoints
      There are now the online GCEBE tripoint accounts: Doug: http://www.geocities.com/borderlandtv/photos_5.html Jesper: http://www.geocities.com/graenser/tripoints
      Nov 24, 2001 @ 07:21 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
4651. Re: Fwd: Great circle distances
      ... ah but isnt this just the waorus point in reverse for in that case we could enter decimal lat & long for 1 of those points & then give the azimuth &
      Nov 24, 2001 @ 07:32 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4652. in further appreciation of the 12 gcebe tricountry point tries
      cribbing primarily from jespers link in message 4650 http://www.geocities.com/graenser/tripoints since it is the only one that embraces all 12 tries but also
      Nov 24, 2001 @ 11:29 - michael donner (michael donner <orc@...>)
4653. Three-dimensional boundaries
      Normally, boundaries are only two-dimensional, and as far as I know everything straight below and above the surface belongs to the country that IS that
      Nov 24, 2001 @ 14:15 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4654. Re: Three-dimensional boundaries
      ... As I recall, that was part of the plot of a Heinlein story in the 50s, called (I think) The Man Who Bought the Moon. The usual Heinlein hard-nosed
      Nov 24, 2001 @ 14:35 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4655. Re: Another Büsingen map
      On both maps I have seen before this one (the Farmer G. map, as I call it, and the recently posted topomap), Buesingen boundary marker no. 7 is on the north
      Nov 24, 2001 @ 14:35 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4656. Re: Fwd: Great circle distances
      ... Yep, that s what I was going to do if we were measuring along a great circle that started out due west. There s an approximation in there because the great
      Nov 24, 2001 @ 14:43 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4657. Re: re anchorage & great circles & voronoi
      ... from the sea ... points are ... Me, I d like to know. But I don t have a good approach that doesn t involve trial and error on a massive scale. Grant
      Nov 24, 2001 @ 14:47 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4658. Re: Ads in my stuff - not from me
      Sorry, Len: all nine maps were there, and I was wrong. Thanks. Marcel ... __________________________________________________________________ Personaliza tu
      Nov 24, 2001 @ 17:17 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
4659. Antarctic palindrome list
      OK, I think I ve got this thing working. It now picks up palindromes consisting of one or more words within a string, up to the entire string. Of the 17000
      Nov 24, 2001 @ 17:34 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4660. Re: Another Büsingen map
      ... I d like to argue that the road has actually been moved. First, take a look at the comparison of maps recently posted to BoundaryPoint, here:
      Nov 24, 2001 @ 17:58 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <blofeld_es@...>)
4661. Re: British boundary markers
      There are also a number of cairns marking the Anglo-Scottish border, which also denoted sites where the English and Scottish local overlords would meet
      Nov 24, 2001 @ 18:35 - johnfrancisgriffiths@hotmail.com (johnfrancisgriffiths@...)
4662. Re: Another Büsingen map
      Thanks, Mats! I am convinced. Still, I find it strange that after a whole pack of boundary changes in 1967 that looks to have been aimed to do away with all
      Nov 24, 2001 @ 18:50 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4663. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Three-dimensional boundaries
      ... Sold. -- Anton Sherwood -- http://www.ogre.nu/ (online again, Nov.19)
      Nov 24, 2001 @ 20:17 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4664. Re: double line bug & nautical miles
      ... Working to the nearest metre (the US nautical league comes out at a pleasing 5555m), I make 3nm US to be .0720365 degrees of longitude measured along the
      Nov 24, 2001 @ 20:20 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4665. Re: Three-dimensional boundaries
      ... Yeah, you re right. Some stuff at the end involved selling, didn t it? And I always wondered if the song Bowie wrote, The Man Who Sold the World, was
      Nov 24, 2001 @ 20:27 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4666. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Three-dimensional boundaries
      ... Two narrow corridors of US territory near the Panamá Canal -- Madden Road and Chagres River -- were bridged by the Boyd-Roosevelt Highway, which (despite
      Nov 24, 2001 @ 20:39 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4667. Buesingen - off topic
      hi, although it is totally off topic, I want to share a short information with you: On the Büsingen homepage www.buesingen.de they have the Büsingen Song
      Nov 24, 2001 @ 21:44 - anton_zeilinger@hotmail.com (anton_zeilinger@...)
4668. Re: Buesingen - off topic
      ... encore maestro can we have the other verses too m
      Nov 24, 2001 @ 22:28 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4669. Re: double line bug & nautical miles
      grant ... such fortunate coincidence only enhances your already sensible choice of the integral meter for the first try still pertinent for a followup try or
      Nov 25, 2001 @ 03:27 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4670. Re: Antarctic palindrome list
      grant the fact that you can even do this pal dredging is very impressive to me & i noticed a few rare if not new names in your results that might even interest
      Nov 25, 2001 @ 04:28 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4671. Vertical Sovereignty.
      Peter, The issue of vertical sovereignty is an important one. In the earth, the line extends through the geoid into an imaginary center point in the core. In
      Nov 25, 2001 @ 14:26 - Ray Milefsky ("Ray Milefsky" <mrrayj@...>)
4672. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Tuvalu
      Most importantly, from a sovereignty standpoint, where will TV extend its maritme exclusive eonomic zone (200 nm) claims, since they must emanate from high
      Nov 25, 2001 @ 15:16 - Ray Milefsky ("Ray Milefsky" <mrrayj@...>)
4673. Re: [BoundaryPoint] in further appreciation of the 12 gcebe tricountry point tries
      ... The czpl border is wet. You can follow the tiny stream , just right of the river side bush, the it turns left and then into the woods. I am indicating tp
      Nov 25, 2001 @ 15:50 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
4674. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Another Büsingen map
      The picture in message 4528 (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/4528) is taken of boundary marker 7, and is south of the road. Number 8 is
      Nov 25, 2001 @ 15:54 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
4675. Border rules
      Just to avoid confusion abouth the GCEBE border rules, here is the list 1) The locals don t know. This rule was made on GCEBE day 0, when we picked Harry and
      Nov 25, 2001 @ 16:04 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
4676. Re: double line bug & nautical miles
      ... place without any loss of authenticity by simply using the full 5 decimal places of the submillimetric nautical mile standard Your difficulty here is
      Nov 25, 2001 @ 16:12 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4677. Re: Another Büsingen map & DC/VA/MD anomaly
      One has to ask about the purpose of a map, given what the results are of these last messages about Busingen. It seems a border stone on the south side of a
      Nov 25, 2001 @ 16:52 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
4678. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Another Büsingen map
      ... From: Mats Hessman Mats, you showed links to a.o. the one below. http://images.enclaves.org/busingen/Map_Comparison.jpg Is this site
      Nov 25, 2001 @ 18:30 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
4679. Guinness Book of Records
      Just wondering: would the Guinness Book of Records have anything one borders? If so, they could have: - the shortest border (could that be Gibraltar?) - the
      Nov 25, 2001 @ 18:42 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
4680. Re: [BoundaryPoint] GCEBE tripoints
      ... Rolf has many GCEBE photos at: http://www.vasa.abo.fi/users/rpalmber/borders.htm gl Harry ten Veen
      Nov 25, 2001 @ 18:51 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
4681. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Another Büsin gen map
      ... Yes, this is my domain. No, I m sorry, I am not building a new site. But if anyone would like to use the pictures on their own sites, please go ahead. All
      Nov 25, 2001 @ 19:17 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <blofeld_es@...>)
4682. Re: double line bug & nautical miles
      Just remembered that MathCAD offers 15-digit accuracy in its calculations. With that, it seems that the circumference of the GRS80 ellipsoid at N45d15m is:
      Nov 25, 2001 @ 20:00 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4683. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Guinness Book of Records
      Translated for GBoR Danish verision 1995: There are 319 national boundaries in the world. The continent with the most is Africa, having 109. Of the
      Nov 25, 2001 @ 20:40 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
4684. National vs. international borders
      I see the expression national border used as the border between two indpendent states used quite often. But can that be correct? Jesper
      Nov 25, 2001 @ 20:42 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
4685. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Guinness Book of Records
      Tnx Jesper. In newer editions China should have one border less (Hong Kong). So now we have: number of b. (319) highest number of b. per continent (Africa=109)
      Nov 25, 2001 @ 21:06 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
4686. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Guinness Book of Records
      Check also http://home.worldonline.dk/~jesniel/forening/fakta.html Writing that N-S Korean border is the least busiest, I would like to know if there are any
      Nov 25, 2001 @ 21:12 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
4687. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Another Büsingen map
      ... I respect your opinion of course. But you have very nice pictures to show the world so why not just put a index in the root and you have a site. No need
      Nov 25, 2001 @ 21:12 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
4688. Re: Perfs & Frags
      Well, I can t count. Barring *more* mistakes ... 23 countries contain 271 perforations. These consist of: 253 conventional land enclaves (exclaves of other
      Nov 25, 2001 @ 21:15 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4689. Gibraltar maps and infograms
      I ve attached to this message several infograms/maps published today in the newspaper ( El periódico ). Gibr1: Map and satellite map Gibr2: Satellite map (
      Nov 25, 2001 @ 22:20 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@navegalia.com>)
4690. Re: double line bug & nautical miles
      major salutes grantissimo for you have made my points for me & beyond & that is so purrdy in 6 digits of rigorous truth probably the first time any tripoint
      Nov 25, 2001 @ 22:52 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4691. Re: double line bug & nautical miles
      ... metric integrity you have found & can now also be discerned to have originated in logarithmic algorithmic integrity as well at 5555point55555etc meters
      Nov 25, 2001 @ 23:15 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4692. Re: Guinness Book of Records
      well i have seen all the answers & comments & it is all very interesting but i had thought grant & i would be sandcastling the already truly shortest boundary
      Nov 25, 2001 @ 23:20 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4693. Re: Guinness Book of Records
      Here s the URL (courtesy of Marcel) showing the Morcccan/Spanish sandspit crossed by the *real* shortest international border in the world:
      Nov 25, 2001 @ 23:46 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4694. Re: double line bug & nautical miles
      grant you bet i think so because 1954 was also when they taught me in the usa that pi equals 22 sevenths which also involves distortion by the fourth digit &
      Nov 25, 2001 @ 23:59 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4695. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: double line bug & nautical miles
      ... What s a more accurate ratio? -- Anton Sherwood -- http://www.ogre.nu/ (online again, Nov.19)
      Nov 26, 2001 @ 00:21 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4696. Re: double line bug & nautical miles
      ... fahrenheit to centigrade That one really is *exactly* 5/9ths: 100 centigrade spans 180 fahrenheit from freezing to boiling. That, and the spare 32F below
      Nov 26, 2001 @ 00:17 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4697. Re: Antarctic palindrome list
      ... By advanced collectors, I think Mike means me. My interest in palindromes is towards a collection of them called the Palindromicon. Or rather the
      Nov 26, 2001 @ 00:24 - dtilque@nwlink.com (dtilque@...)
4698. Re: double line bug & nautical miles
      i knew that hey cant you guys take a joke but the serious part & excuse me for being serious again is that the use of 5 ninths as a fraction was commonplace &
      Nov 26, 2001 @ 00:27 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4699. Re: Antarctic palindrome list
      thanx dan glad you could drop in & please do again whenever about whatever we are especially looking forward to your pal ii to learn if there will be any new
      Nov 26, 2001 @ 00:37 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4700. Re: Another Büsingen map & DC/VA/MD anomaly
      ... len wonderful & interesting theory & i look forward to all your findings & bringings in this famously enigmatic area & believe you mean by tripoint marker
      Nov 26, 2001 @ 01:00 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4701. Re: in further appreciation of the 12 gcebe tricountry point tries
      ... thanx jesper any showing of pix with diagrams of the three elements of each of the trilines meaning the distinct tripoints at either end & the lines
      Nov 26, 2001 @ 01:21 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4702. Re: Another Büsingen map
      Greetings, I have the domain exclave.info . I m going to post a lot of the material I have to that site, but I d still be interested in hearing from others
      Nov 26, 2001 @ 01:32 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
4703. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border rules
      The locals DO know. The only way I found the enclave pillars in India was to ask locals. They knew. They even knew where pillars used to be that outsiders had
      Nov 26, 2001 @ 01:37 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
4704. Re: Another Büsingen map & DC/VA/MD anomaly
      Hi. Here s one of the photos I took - it s the mark which is what I called the tri-point marker - it is not one that is in the lighthouse. When one stands
      Nov 25, 2001 @ 21:03 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@home.com>)
4705. dcmdvas tripoint has had at least 3 different positions
      len your pic is marker number 14 of the 1947 series bus&ss p91 says of it in digest 1 supreme court reaffirmed dcva line at high water mark in 1931 2 usgs
      Nov 26, 2001 @ 02:57 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4706. Re: Vertical Sovereignty.
      ... welcome ray your important & serious points are well taken by the playful spirits here too & about tuvaluan territorial shrinkage why dont they just force
      Nov 26, 2001 @ 03:20 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4707. Re: Border rules
      jesper it is enormous to see my name in big letters & also to share my corollary to your rule 3 that states borders are almost always at the very edges of maps
      Nov 26, 2001 @ 03:50 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4708. Re: Where is the enclave?
      way back in message 3925 wrote: I¹ve attached two maps. I assume that this is tertiary enclave, but my doubt is: if it was a
      Nov 26, 2001 @ 06:12 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4709. Re: German tripoints
      manfred just reenjoyed your account of the de2henwrp try below in message 3913 & wo= uld also have returned to your full punctoscopy of germany link but it
      Nov 26, 2001 @ 07:20 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4710. Re: double line bug & nautical miles
      ... showstopper i imagined grant was making it out to be when he said aargh or whatever it was he said a few messages back I guess I thought it was something
      Nov 26, 2001 @ 08:19 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4711. Re: Antarctic palindrome list
      ... Entire list? That *was* my entire list. I ve only being doing this for a week, you know. Grant
      Nov 26, 2001 @ 08:23 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4712. Panmunjom & defensive line
      Today I saw really interesting photos in the internet. Those are 30 about photos Panmunjom village: http://photos.yahoo.com/qawwss2000 You can find the border
      Nov 26, 2001 @ 14:30 - andreslb2000@yahoo.co.uk (andreslb2000@...)
4713. Nautical mile defined!
      I know you re all losing sleep over this one, so here s the definitive scoop on the US nautical mile. In 1929 a conference in Monaco defined the international
      Nov 26, 2001 @ 17:28 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4714. Re: Vertical Sovereignty.
      ... the ... which was ... Is this the Worm/Wurm river, by any chance? I know that there were problems with piles of rock coming from the coal mines, that were
      Nov 26, 2001 @ 17:55 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4715. Re: Buesingen - off topic
      A pity that since I reported this song (msg. 3457) they have removed the words from the site. That would have made your task a lot easier. And then every BP
      Nov 26, 2001 @ 18:00 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4716. Re: Another Büsingen map & those rules
      ... are ... the ... map ... exercize... ... of ... Hear, hear. Rule one I can live with. You can t expect locals to know everything about the place they live
      Nov 26, 2001 @ 18:07 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4717. Re: Where is the enclave?
      ... but my doubt is: if it was a primary one, where would be the mainland and where the enclave? . As you can see, the municipality¹s capital of Tremp is a
      Nov 26, 2001 @ 18:31 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4718. Re: Where is the enclave?
      well what about them what was their point m
      Nov 26, 2001 @ 20:19 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4719. Re: Where is the enclave?
      ... I don t know. You came up with Copenhagen and Greenland.. Peter S.
      Nov 26, 2001 @ 20:33 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4720. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Guinness Book of Records
      ... Two less (Hong Kong and Macao). -- Manfred Härtel mailto:Manfred.Haertel@rz-online.de http://rz-home.de/mhaertel
      Nov 26, 2001 @ 20:26 - Manfred Haertel (Manfred Haertel <Manfred.Haertel@...>)
4721. Re: Another Büsingen map & those rules
      you are scrambling jespers rules a little here peter if not also not taking his name in vain in fairness he said signs not markers in rule 2 & signs of a
      Nov 26, 2001 @ 20:41 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4722. Re: Another Büsingen map & those rules
      You are incredibly (yet very credible) right here Michael. Sorry. Peter S. ... it ... a marker ... results ... on ... a ... the ... border ... unless ... stone
      Nov 26, 2001 @ 20:43 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4723. Re: Guinness Book of Records
      Ever since I was small, I wondered about that strange tripoint at the sea, or the point where China, North Corea, and Russia come together. Later I saw better
      Nov 26, 2001 @ 20:51 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4724. Re: Nautical mile defined!
      so our millimetric usnm value & waorus coords have a monte carlo start & finish & are dedicated to the ease & convenience of universal ready reference & so
      Nov 26, 2001 @ 21:34 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4725. Re: Nautical mile defined!
      ... NAD83 - I used the GRS80 ellipsoid for the calcs, which is the standard ellipsoid for NAD83. Let s just not get into the lumpy geoid and sea surface
      Nov 26, 2001 @ 21:52 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4726. 49th Parallel FunFacts
      The 49th parallel portion of theUS/Canada boundary is marked by 1039 monuments and crosses the 49th parallel 15 times, at locations between the following
      Nov 26, 2001 @ 21:59 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
4727. Class A, B, C, D, E, ? visits??
      Who can please explain to me what all these classes are about? gl Harry ten Veen
      Nov 26, 2001 @ 18:57 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
4728. Re: 49th Parallel FunFacts
      Which datum? Just kidding!! :)
      Nov 26, 2001 @ 22:37 - Mike ("Mike" <mls515@...>)
4729. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Guinness Book of Records
      Decent libraries should have 1:50,000 maps of the tri, from a Korean war printing of maps of Korea. The ChRu border follows a watershed/crest to the tumen
      Nov 26, 2001 @ 23:00 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
4730. Entering the cynicism quadrant.
      ... Whereas today, they learn their capital is only on loan from the IMF or World Bank, and has to be repaid? How about all those Acehnese learning that their
      Nov 26, 2001 @ 23:05 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
4731. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 49th Parallel FunFacts
      Brian, Any opinion as to why Monument 490 is as accurate as it is with respect to latitude? I assume that monumentation of the 49th is as varied as it is due
      Nov 26, 2001 @ 23:17 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
4732. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 49th Parallel FunFacts
      Also...#490 appears to be approximately midway between Lake of the Woods and the Pacific. Coincidence? I think not! (Just kidding...) ... From: Bill
      Nov 26, 2001 @ 23:21 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
4733. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 49th Parallel FunFacts
      Jones, Boundary-making , Carnegie endowment, 1945. fig.24 on p154 maps pillars 46 to 58. The bundary is the mean astronomic parallel . it does not coincide
      Nov 26, 2001 @ 23:31 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
4734. Re: Class A, B, C, D, E, ? visits??
      harry ... well maybe 4 years ago some of us including most notably the butlers & myself were making an ongoing study of the qualitative aspects of try pointing
      Nov 27, 2001 @ 00:21 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4735. Re: Nautical mile defined!
      ... ok but why not would acknowledging these mean we would have to put an asterisk next to your world accuracy record m & did you notice how crude those ibc
      Nov 27, 2001 @ 00:48 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4736. Re: 49th Parallel FunFacts
      Reasonable question: NAD27.
      Nov 27, 2001 @ 00:49 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
4737. Re: 49th Parallel FunFacts
      I imagine it s just statistical. Out of 1039 monuments, one of them was bound to be on the boundary. I think the precise positions listed were determined
      Nov 27, 2001 @ 00:51 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
4738. Re: 49th Parallel FunFacts
      Interesting thought, but no reason to think the variance would be sinusoidal if it s due to gravitational anomalies. It would be proportional to the square
      Nov 27, 2001 @ 00:58 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
4739. Re: 49th Parallel FunFacts
      they are all bound to be on the boundary btw i was seeing things too to think they werent in decimal seconds offcourse they were but bills theory can be tested
      Nov 27, 2001 @ 00:59 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4740. Re: 49th Parallel FunFacts
      I should have said bound to be on the hypothetical boundary and of course you re right, once the markers were set they defined the boundary. ... times,
      Nov 27, 2001 @ 01:05 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
4741. but why is this man laughing
      the attached pic by jc shows a recent pilgrim resealing the coksok crypt after paying a rare call on the coksok point itself enshrined on a copper disk about a
      Nov 27, 2001 @ 01:21 - michael donner (michael donner <orc@orcoast.com>)
4742. Re: a few photos
      this is choice & just what we need so silly of me to have missed it the first time a twilight zone between sovereignty & nonsovereignty can you elaborate or
      Nov 27, 2001 @ 01:42 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4743. RE: [BoundaryPoint] but why is this man laughing
      Michael, Congrats on being the first to open the coksok tomb. I ll try to do the same next Sept. when the Highpointers convention will be in Oklahoma. Jack ...
      Nov 27, 2001 @ 03:43 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
4744. Re: [BoundaryPoint] but why is this man laughing
      given that we were talking about three-dimensions earlier, if the CO-KS-OK tri-state point is really an infinitly-long vertical straight line running from
      Nov 27, 2001 @ 03:58 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
4745. waorus visible
      the attached class d photo of waorus aka oruswa which today became the most accurately coordinated tripoint in the world was taken on a fairly clear day this
      Nov 27, 2001 @ 04:36 - michael donner (michael donner <orc@orcoast.com>)
4746. Re: but why is this man laughing
      thanx jack & once again i couldnt have done it without you for you may recall it never occurred to me or anyone else to try to lift the cover plate until you
      Nov 27, 2001 @ 04:49 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4747. Re: but why is this man laughing
      excellent points david especially the dramatic conclusion that at least at the end of the z axis all points are really one yes a single omnipoint fortunately
      Nov 27, 2001 @ 06:25 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4748. Re: [BoundaryPoint] but why is this man laughing
      ... So there s no international magma? -- Anton Sherwood -- http://www.ogre.nu/
      Nov 27, 2001 @ 08:28 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4749. Re: [BoundaryPoint] but why is this man laughing
      ... Is the plate correctly aligned in this shot? It seems incompatible with the signs on the windmill (or whatever that is), assuming that the arms of the
      Nov 27, 2001 @ 08:37 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4750. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 49th Parallel FunFacts
      ... [...] ... [...] ... Isn t that a 16th crossing? It is south of #480 and north of #752. -- Anton Sherwood -- http://www.ogre.nu/
      Nov 27, 2001 @ 09:01 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4751. Re: [BoundaryPoint] but why is this man laughing
      Mike, did you be sure to re-orient the cover plate when you resealed it? That would really give subsequent visitors something to think about... Bill
      Nov 27, 2001 @ 11:27 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
4752. Re: 49th Parallel FunFacts
      You re right. My program reported crossings and zeros by comparing adjacent monuments only. I didn t think about the significance of the zero as a
      Nov 27, 2001 @ 12:03 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
4753. Re where is the enclave?
      ... Well, in this zone the municipal map is very fragmented: there are many enclaves and fragments, which have the origin in feudal jurisdictions. But the
      Nov 27, 2001 @ 12:52 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
4754. Re: [BoundaryPoint] but why is this man laughing
      At the moment of the picture, the plate is about 170 degrees out. The Oklahoma border runs along the middle of this east-west road. the camera was in OK when
      Nov 27, 2001 @ 14:08 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
4755. RE: [BoundaryPoint] but why is this man laughing
      Bill brings up a good point. Without some sort of indexing tab on the cover it is almost impossible to put the cover back in exactly the correct positioin.
      Nov 27, 2001 @ 18:16 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
4756. Re: Entering the cynicism quadrant.
      ... IMF or ... Jakarta, not ... independent? ... Yes, but they re not detached from the part in which the capital is situated (OK, there might have been a
      Nov 27, 2001 @ 18:34 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4757. Re: but why is this man laughing
      ... not at all the man was trying to put it back on exactly backwards & that is why he was laughing it wasnt only a prank tho but was also intended to alert
      Nov 27, 2001 @ 21:00 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4758. Palindromes everywhere
      Michael: Here s a story I imagine will make you smile. 1) To find the southernmost palindrome in Antarctica I had (of course) to sort the original data in
      Nov 27, 2001 @ 21:12 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4759. NKRuZh
      Fresh from a covert mission on p2 of China s Tumen River Area, investment guide , UNIDO sponsored report, Yanbian/Hunchun 1998. The rail bridge links Russia
      Nov 28, 2001 @ 00:39 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
4760. welcome to kentucky bend exclave sign
      the welcome to kentucky sign at the only road entrance to the bubble aka kentucky bend exclave of kentucky is no better than the hundreds of other new
      Nov 28, 2001 @ 01:25 - michael donner (michael donner <orc@orcoast.com>)
4761. Re: NKRuZh
      brendan a bulls eye on request yet & our third new tricountry pic of the fifth millennium following aeomsa in 4486 by harry & chfrit in 4014 by marcel &
      Nov 28, 2001 @ 02:48 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4762. Re: Palindromes everywhere
      indeed & now that you are attracting harmonies like that on a regular basis i can tell you that the tripointing & megapointing & all this other
      Nov 28, 2001 @ 03:10 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4763. Kentucky Bend
      Here is an aerial view of the bend- I got this from the net. Bye IMN OMNS ... Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just
      Nov 28, 2001 @ 04:31 - P. J. Nair ("P. J. Nair" <imnaanu@yahoo.com>)
4764. Zoomable map Denmark
      The counties in Denmark has started putting up gis information on the internet. The county next to Germany (Sønderjyllands Amt) have theirs at
      Nov 28, 2001 @ 05:55 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
4765. Reservations
      Someone asked about the status of American Indian reservations? I happened to read this today: http://www.50minutehour.net/ Indian reservations within US
      Nov 28, 2001 @ 06:03 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4766. Re: NKRuZh
      Thank you for that nice picture, Brendan. I ve been surfing around now, and it helps to know that the river Tumen is sometimes called Tumannaja (Misty, or
      Nov 28, 2001 @ 11:00 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4767. Re: [BoundaryPoint] PlByUa tripoint near Wlodawa
      ... [...] ... We went out to Wlodawa last weekend. Unfortunately, due to bad weather conditions (snow) we decided not to go all the way out to the tripoint. We
      Nov 28, 2001 @ 11:39 - Pepijn Hendriks ("Pepijn Hendriks" <pepijnh@...>)
4768. Re: NKRuZh
      A popular photo spot... http://www.cbprim.ru/rel2001/rel0148.htm Peter S. ... called ... trip ... for ... private ... of ... Tzinsin, ... The ... At ...
      Nov 28, 2001 @ 11:55 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4769. Re: NKRuZh
      It just struck me: http://www.febras.ru/~imb/trdap/news/rmount.htm : (...) For one stretch, only this road is Chinese, which runs in between the old course of
      Nov 28, 2001 @ 13:05 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4770. Re: NKRuZh
      A map of the area: http://www.earthisland.org/cbn/tumenmap.html . 1. There are two points where China is extremely narrow. 2. The cnru boundary doesn t run
      Nov 28, 2001 @ 13:34 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4771. Re: PlByUa tripoint near Wlodawa
      dear pepijn extreme congrats on this elegant report of your excellent exploratory of the greater plbyua area & for successfully completing the closest try at
      Nov 29, 2001 @ 02:56 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4772. coksok runneth over
      david jack bill it wasnt hard to jimmy the cover diagram into the exact opposite of reality which i did for reasons already given & so the next visitor might
      Nov 29, 2001 @ 03:30 - michael donner (michael donner <orc@orcoast.com>)
4773. Re: Kentucky Bend
      welcome pj & thanx that is a beautiful pic of a beautiful 10 square miles of area can you just dial up any aerial view now for anywhere you like or is this
      Nov 29, 2001 @ 03:54 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4774. immoderate extremity
      the attached pic facing wsw out the mouth of the columbia river from stringtown washington combines fairly credible class d tries at both the wet absolute orn
      Nov 29, 2001 @ 06:50 - michael donner (michael donner <orc@orcoast.com>)
4775. orw
      speaking of variability & oregonian extremities the attached pic can only attempt to show continental orw because the target falls at a different position with
      Nov 29, 2001 @ 07:09 - michael donner (michael donner <orc@orcoast.com>)
4776. Re: cnkpru aka NKRuZh
      tho an earlier try at a reply to this strayed & may never reach bp the gist of it was that i enjoyed this unusual outing a great deal & just wanted to make
      Nov 29, 2001 @ 07:25 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4777. Re: cnkpru aka NKRuZh & nl
      ... (...) salients like this may also be called proruptions (...) Really? The Netherlands has a proruption like this. It is called South Limburg. It is always
      Nov 29, 2001 @ 18:19 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4778. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Guinness Book of Records
      Found another border in the Dutch 1987 edition: Most defiladet [is that a proper English word?] border: The Iron Curtain (1380 km long) which separates
      Nov 29, 2001 @ 18:40 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
4779. congrats Eef Berns
      Congratulations to Eef Berns!!! He has completed is journey along the benl border and has now reached Cadsand where the last bordermarker is. I enjoyed every
      Nov 29, 2001 @ 18:48 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
4780. Re: Guinness Book of Records
      ... (...)The last of the 55.000 SM-70 [?] weapons was removed on 30 november 1984 (...) This is the so-called Selbstschussapparat, or Self-actuating missile
      Nov 29, 2001 @ 18:50 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4781. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: cnkpru aka NKRuZh & nl
      It s not on the national level, but one can travel through three U.S. states (PA, MD, WV) in about 4 (yes, four) minutes, with no tripoint involved. The spot
      Nov 29, 2001 @ 19:11 - jamatotest (jamatotest <jamato@...>)
4782. Re: Guinness Book of Records
      I have seen the total land border of the Russian Federation given as 14,500 km (and sea boundary of 38,800 km) (www.ehis.navy.mil/onrnews/dorman/CDONEW22.htm)
      Nov 29, 2001 @ 19:35 - johnfrancisgriffiths@hotmail.com (johnfrancisgriffiths@...)
4783. Re: Guinness Book of Records
      Q: Is it possible to describe the size of your problem, how many kilometers of borders there are in Russia for example? KRAVCHENKO: As far as the length of the
      Nov 29, 2001 @ 19:46 - johnfrancisgriffiths@hotmail.com (johnfrancisgriffiths@...)
4784. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Guinness Book of Records
      Does anyone know how much of Russia s sea boundary adjoins the US? (Alaska, including the Aleutian islands?) I would suspect that figure would be pretty close
      Nov 29, 2001 @ 19:50 - jamatotest (jamatotest <jamato@...>)
4785. Megalitics border markers
      Reading a book about Llívia, I ve remembered some messages in this board about menhirs and others old stones who are actually boundary markers.I think nobody
      Nov 29, 2001 @ 21:11 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@navegalia.com>)
4786. Re: Guinness Book of Records
      well not really because the long zigzag line you perhaps mean which is usua= lly shown between russia & the usa on maps is really only the international = date
      Nov 30, 2001 @ 02:03 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4787. Re: Megalitics border markers
      another rich find marcel & of course we should continue to pursue any wor= king rock so old as this one for its challenge to the rock of ages monster o= f
      Nov 30, 2001 @ 04:22 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4788. Re: congrats Eef Berns
      hear hear to the first known perfectly complete monumental tour of any international boundary in at least bp history & we can also follow along backwards from
      Nov 30, 2001 @ 05:41 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4789. Re: cnkpru aka NKRuZh & nl
      proruption evidently refers to the entire salient area rather than just the narrow neck or waist where it breaks out of the larger mass also your hancock
      Nov 30, 2001 @ 07:07 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4790. more about the newly reported quintipoints
      the 2 new quintipoint discoveries reported by arif in 3757 & peter in 3766 have both proved rather challenging to research further peters homogeneous basque
      Nov 30, 2001 @ 08:42 - michael donner (michael donner <orc@...>)
4791. Report from Vistytis
      Yesterday I visited Vistytis, a border town between Lithuania and Russia s Kaliningrad district as we have discussed earlier in this list. Unfortunately I have
      Nov 30, 2001 @ 11:20 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@yahoo.no>)
4792. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Report from Vistytis
      I am sorry, position 136 should be read 54°27,1955N 22°42,1579E and position 137 should be read 54°27,2267N 22°42,1751E . Jan I am sorry, position 136
      Nov 30, 2001 @ 13:13 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
4793. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: cnkpru aka NKRuZh & nl
      It s about 4 hours drive-time from the CT-NY line to the DE-MD line on I-95, even in the middle of the night. I ve done that drive on many occasions, driving
      Nov 30, 2001 @ 14:01 - Jon Amato (Jon Amato <jamato@...>)
4794. Re: cnkpru aka NKRuZh & nl
      The NE Vermont Neck, A.K.A The Gore, was the subject of a legal battle. Basically, NH claimed the NH/VT boundary was Hall s Stream and Vermont claimed it was
      Nov 30, 2001 @ 15:21 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
4795. Re: more about the newly reported quintipoints
      ... (...) heleta irissari lekorne makea & orzaize turns out like all french multimunicipal points to be nested in a daunting succession of subdivisional
      Nov 30, 2001 @ 17:36 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4796. Re: Report from Vistytis
      ... Russia s ... Can you tell us what the situation is reg. the Lithuanian-Russian border in Lake Vistytis? As far as I remember, Lithuania wanted an
      Nov 30, 2001 @ 18:19 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4797. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Report from Vistytis
      A part of the Russian 1:200 000 topomap I have shows the lake. The village of Vistytis is north of the lake. The tripoint ltplru is to the south of it. Peter
      Nov 30, 2001 @ 18:31 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
4798. Tripoint ltplru
      At http://free.ngo.pl/borussia/ Peter S.
      Nov 30, 2001 @ 19:39 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4799. marcel
      it is good to be the last one in the world to bed each night now at bp & to turn off the light & the heater with me but in the darkness of the madrugada i
      Nov 30, 2001 @ 20:23 - michael donner (michael donner <orc@...>)
4800. Re: marcel
      ... an ... Probably the treaty that divided the Cerdanya. Sixteen-something.... That s when Llivia town became detached from the surrounding countryside.
      Nov 30, 2001 @ 20:14 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4801. Re: Marcel
      ... any case ... Perhaps the partition treaty of Cerdanya (Treaty of Llívia, 12/11/1660), mentions the stone. Next monday I will be able to confirm it,
      Nov 30, 2001 @ 21:30 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
4802. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Digest Number 525
      ... also i am not sure about the estimate of 2600km here nor even whether this cadk line really is the longest coastal boundary as guinness says since there
      Nov 30, 2001 @ 22:12 - michael donner (michael donner <orc@...>)
4803. Extreme westerly, easterly and southerly palindromes
      A search through the datasets for Russia, Alaska, Midway, Kiribati, Wallis & Futuna, Tuvalu, Fiji, New Zealand and Antarctica has turned up the following
      Dec 01, 2001 @ 01:10 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4804. Re: Extreme westerly, easterly and southerly palindromes
      fantastic as usual grant so you have completed our first yet possibly unsurpassable tries at a complete double pal news tour of the world with the unqualified
      Dec 01, 2001 @ 03:05 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4805. Re: Marcel
      glad to learn you are pursuing this further marcel & look forward to your= report from the 1660 text for it seems likely you will find this stone men=
      Dec 01, 2001 @ 03:36 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4806. Re: Tripoint ltplru
      bingo another virtual tricountry point casually drops in our fourth of the 4000s plus the many earlier ones i cant completely round up just yet but does
      Dec 01, 2001 @ 03:53 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4807. Re: more about the newly reported quintipoints
      peter thanx for this roundabout confirmation that the heirlemaor quintipoint is indeed very probably sextenary or 6th order & thus not a credible rival for
      Dec 01, 2001 @ 04:20 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4808. Standoff at the Tex-Mex border
      I found this among my archives, and thought some of you might enjoy it.
      Dec 01, 2001 @ 00:37 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@home.com>)
4809. Kokkina exclave Cyprus
      Pls see the attached NatGeo map of Cyprus. I have a number of maps of Cyprus showing this town with a border around it (and a few without a border), implying
      Dec 01, 2001 @ 01:22 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@home.com>)
4810. Re: Summer Quiz
      in 3721 harry asked & is finally answered ... of course you may because it is a tripoint we have been calling ones just like this on the canadian american
      Dec 01, 2001 @ 06:25 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4811. Re: Kokkina exclave Cyprus
      yes the 1980 cia map at perry castaneda shows kokkina as a turkish exclave skirted & cut off by a united nations buffer zone much like the one that runs along
      Dec 01, 2001 @ 06:48 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4812. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Kokkina exclave Cyprus
      Kokkina is a Turkish part behind the UN buffer zone. Jesper ... From: L. A. Nadybal To: boundarypoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 2:22 AM
      Dec 01, 2001 @ 06:59 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
4813. Navarre; was: more about the newly reported quintipoints
      ... Or the other way around. (In 1562, Henri de Bourbon succeeded his mother (to simplify slightly) as king of Navarre; and in 1589 he succeeded a distant
      Dec 01, 2001 @ 07:07 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4814. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoint ltplru
      Great photo! Any idea who is who? Big pole = Polish ? smaller pole = Lithuanian ? Jesper ... From: Peter Smaardijk To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent:
      Dec 01, 2001 @ 07:02 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
4815. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoint ltplru
      Thanks for the URL, Peter! It seems that to the left is the Polish and to the right is the Russian. The big white I think must be the tripoint, so therefor
      Dec 01, 2001 @ 07:14 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
4816. Re: Extreme westerly, easterly and southerly palindromes
      ... Some years ago, I ran across a locality named Glenelg that would probably be in Southland, New Zealand. This was in a reference that was fairly old (and I
      Dec 01, 2001 @ 10:05 - dtilque@nwlink.com (dtilque@...)
4817. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Report from Vistytis
      From: Peter Smaardijk [mailto:smaardijk@yahoo.com] Sent: 30. november 2001 20.19 ... Russia s ... Can you tell us what the situation is reg. the
      Dec 01, 2001 @ 11:16 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@yahoo.no>)
4818. Re: Report from Vistytis
      Mr. Mackevicius told me that the land of the two farms which should be transferred to Lithuania consisted of 1,5 ha. This seem to fit with the white area of my
      Dec 01, 2001 @ 11:38 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@yahoo.no>)
4819. Re: Tripoint ltplru
      ... and to ... tripoint, so ... be ... I think you are right. The one on the left is certainly the Polish one. The other one looks like a Russian one; these
      Dec 01, 2001 @ 15:01 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4820. Re: Extreme westerly, easterly and southerly palindromes
      ... I once spent a very wet morning in the original village of Glenelg in Scotland, from which you can take a tiny one-car ferry over the sea to Skye. Oddly,
      Dec 01, 2001 @ 15:10 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4821. Re: hrsi border talks lead to wet hr exclave??
      At last a map that confirms my suspicions. It s at http://www.lawofthesea.net/images/m_granica.jpg . The exclave is no. 4. Although I can t read
      Dec 01, 2001 @ 16:07 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4822. New Zealand palindromes
      ... Found it! I visited the Land Information New Zealand website, and downloaded their placenames database. There are no fewer than 7 Glenelgs in New Zealand,
      Dec 01, 2001 @ 16:08 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4823. Re: Tripoint ltplru -> geru border
      ... (...) another Russian marker, on an entirely different spot, namely somewhere in the vicinity of Tuapse on the geru border. (...) I just found out that
      Dec 01, 2001 @ 16:21 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4824. Glenelg, was: New Zealand palindromes
      ... The original is in Scotland of course, on the Sound of Sleat opposite the Isle of Skye. This reminds me - my sister returned from NZ and reported that
      Dec 01, 2001 @ 19:23 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4825. Re: Glenelg, was: New Zealand palindromes
      ... This reminds me - my sister returned from NZ and reported that there s a place called Ben Nevis there, a name that also occurs near Santa Cruz, California;
      Dec 01, 2001 @ 19:26 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4826. Re: Glenelg, was: New Zealand palindromes
      ... By an odd bit of synchronicity, I was just looking at a photograph of Ben Nevis, Svalbard, about ten minutes before reading your mail. I hesitate to say
      Dec 01, 2001 @ 19:58 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4827. Re: Navarre; was: more about the newly reported quintipoints
      ... slightly) ... king ... Yes, true. It s just me oversimplifying things again. But after the invasion of all but Lower Navarre by the Castilians (they tried
      Dec 01, 2001 @ 20:12 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4828. Re: [BoundaryPoint] congrats Eef Berns
      Thanks for the congrats. And this is not the end: in january 2002 starts the virtual tour along the denl-border. About 900 bordermarkers, taking aprox. 5 years
      Dec 01, 2001 @ 21:15 - Eef Berns ("Eef Berns" <eefberns@...>)
4829. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Glenelg, was: New Zealand palindromes
      ... I visited New York once. Contrary to popular belief, it s in Lincolnshire. Imagine my thought on learning that the BATF troops who attacked the Branch
      Dec 01, 2001 @ 20:47 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4830. a truly awesome conjunction
      ... & i would just like to qualify this comment by dan a little further because i happen to know that he is one of the foremost pal seekers in the world as
      Dec 02, 2001 @ 00:54 - michael donner (michael donner <orc@...>)
4831. Re: hrsi border talks lead to wet hr exclave??
      wowowowww exactly you called it & more than that because it looks like the sw angle of the triangle is a hritsi sovereign maritime territorial tripoint the
      Dec 02, 2001 @ 01:19 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4832. Re: hrsi border talks lead to wet hr exclave??
      & the nw angle of the triangle is another hritsi tripoint incredible a clave with double multipoints m
      Dec 02, 2001 @ 01:24 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4833. Re: Navarre; was: more about the newly reported quintipoints
      do you get the feeling in view of all these oversimplifications & revelations that history as we know it is just someones version of some events they never
      Dec 02, 2001 @ 02:07 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4834. Morkulien joint admin area
      Does anyone have a detailed map of the exact area of Morokulien that is jointly administered by Sweden and Norway? Attached are two files - a small map of the
      Dec 01, 2001 @ 21:18 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@home.com>)
4835. Re: Morkulien joint admin area
      len it looks like you may be reporting a prized rarity here which has escaped our global scrutiny til now namely a 5th condo territory for we doubted just last
      Dec 02, 2001 @ 02:40 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4836. Re: congrats Eef Berns
      eef would you care to say more about the virtual tour cant wait m
      Dec 02, 2001 @ 02:56 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4837. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: hrsi border talks lead to wet hr exclave??
      A most peculiar arrangement. Details have been very scanty -- looks like the Croatians are putting up the biggest stink even though they get a number of
      Dec 02, 2001 @ 03:33 - Ray Milefsky ("Ray Milefsky" <mrrayj@...>)
4838. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: hrsi border talks lead to wet hr exclave??
      ps: will attempt to get a reliable translation on Monday. ... From: Peter Smaardijk [mailto:smaardijk@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 11:08 AM To:
      Dec 02, 2001 @ 03:33 - Ray Milefsky ("Ray Milefsky" <mrrayj@...>)
4839. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Morkulien joint admin area
      With these peculiar postal anomolies, are you positive that both states share sovereignty over them, or, as I suspect, have simply worked out a postal
      Dec 02, 2001 @ 03:43 - Ray Milefsky ("Ray Milefsky" <mrrayj@...>)
4840. Re: Kerguelen and McDonald/Heard _do_ border, EEZ-wise!
      in august 3661 peter s said to grant ... when countries appropriate or exercise sovereign continental shelf rights that were formerly everyonese by law i
      Dec 02, 2001 @ 05:20 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4841. Re: Glenelg, was: New Zealand palindromes
      ... Having researched it, I can say that most of the Glenelgs in Australia and New Zealand (and there s a fair number in both countries) are probably not named
      Dec 02, 2001 @ 06:53 - dtilque@nwlink.com (dtilque@...)
4842. Places named after states (was Re: Glenelg
      ... There are four New Yorks in various parts of the British Isles. Also at least ten Californias, a Florida, a Maine, a Maryland, a Pennsylvania, a Vermont, a
      Dec 02, 2001 @ 07:08 - dtilque@nwlink.com (dtilque@...)
4843. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Morkulien joint admin area
      You are correct, Ray! The place was established in 1914 as an unofficial free state by Norwegian and Swedish peace organisations. They rised also a huge 18
      Dec 02, 2001 @ 07:40 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
4844. Re: clavoscopy of everyones land advances
      in 3645 jan said to grant & grant said to jan ... i have been wondering about all this it seems to me the antarctic treaty in 1959 actually neutralized or
      Dec 02, 2001 @ 08:29 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4845. Re: clavoscopy of everyones land advances
      in 3645 jan said to grant & grant said to jan ... i have been wondering about all this it seems to me the antarctic treaty in 1959 actually neutralized or
      Dec 02, 2001 @ 08:29 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4846. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Places named after states (was Re: Glenelg
      But the «original», the city of York, was established as the Norse Viking township of Jorvik... Jan Vilnius, Lithuania http://home.no.net/enklaver But the
      Dec 02, 2001 @ 08:38 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
4847. please add south sandwiches to the above
      evidently the south sandwich islands also fall into the critical 200minute band so again the question is what happens to their eez at lat s60 m & please
      Dec 02, 2001 @ 09:00 - michael donner (michael donner <orc@...>)
4848. Places named after states (was Re: Glenelg
      ... the roman town name of eboracum on that spot sounds a bit like york too so maybe the norse etymology is reversed m
      Dec 02, 2001 @ 08:53 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4849. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: in further appreciation of the 12 gcebe tricountry point tries
      Imm010: The northern tip of Condominium Island , photographed from the artificial isthmus towards LU and the tripoint. Imm013: Standing on triline on
      Dec 02, 2001 @ 13:44 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
4850. Re: Glenelg, was: New Zealand palindromes
      ... That makes more sense. The original Glenelg is and was too tiny place to have generated so many fond expats. ... But of course. The Biblical brothers are
      Dec 02, 2001 @ 14:50 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4851. Re: clavoscopy of everyones land advances
      ... least one place in the world where the antarctic & maritime regimes are in conflict so it will make at least a good research & test case & this is an
      Dec 02, 2001 @ 15:13 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4852. Please help
      Iwish to appeal to the joint knowledge of the group can someone please confirm if Baarle, Busingen, Campione, Llivia. Sokh and Vorukh are all boundry points
      Dec 02, 2001 @ 19:00 - verna ("verna" <v.hayes@...>)
4853. Re: Morkulien joint admin area
      While being an interesting place, I don t think this is a real condominium. It is more like the Int l peace park on the caus border, or the European monumental
      Dec 02, 2001 @ 19:02 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4854. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Morkulien joint admin area
      ... I ll attach it for you... Peter S. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping.
      Dec 02, 2001 @ 19:05 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
4855. Re: Please help
      ... The things you list are all *enclaves* - bits of territory belonging to one country that are entirely surrounded by territory belonging to a different
      Dec 02, 2001 @ 20:23 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4856. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Please help
      The English word of a place where three borders meet would be tripoint, while the German one would be Dreiländerecke (Three lands corner). There is no Danish
      Dec 02, 2001 @ 20:27 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
4857. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Morkulien joint admin area
      I agree fully with you, Peter. Since my native home country again is mentioned, I feel oblidged to enclose a post card from Morokulien... Jan Vilnius,
      Dec 02, 2001 @ 20:33 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@yahoo.no>)
4858. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Morkulien joint admin area
      Hej Jan Is that a border marker next to fredsmonumentet? Jesper ... From: Jan Krogh To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 9:33 PM
      Dec 02, 2001 @ 20:37 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
4859. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Morkulien joint admin area
      Hei Jesper Affirmative! Jan ... From: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen [mailto:jesniel@image.dk] Sent: 2. desember 2001 22.38 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
      Dec 02, 2001 @ 20:51 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
4860. Re: Kerguelen and McDonald/Heard _do_ border, EEZ-wise!
      ... other by what is called international law to do precisely this Yes, but why isn t this law implemented throughout (this planet) then. Because when it was,
      Dec 02, 2001 @ 21:04 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4861. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: congrats Eef Berns
      michael, the virtual tour along the denl-border is nothing more then putting each month 10-15 bordermarkers-pictures on the web in successive order. Starting
      Dec 02, 2001 @ 20:59 - Eef Berns ("Eef Berns" <eefberns@...>)
4862. Re: Morkulien joint admin area
      Interesting, a post card with two stamps, one from Sweden, and one from Norway. And not the Norge mentioned on the card, but Noreg! Norway in a language not
      Dec 02, 2001 @ 21:32 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4863. Re: Morkulien joint admin area
      Maybe superfluous (you already may know it, the url is easy..), but Morokulien can be reached at www.morokulien.com . Interesting is the following: To become
      Dec 02, 2001 @ 21:55 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4864. Places named after states (was Re: Glenelg
      ... Norse Viking= ... too ... I wouldn t know about that, but what I do know is that in the old town of York (which is, as you all will know, a shambles) the
      Dec 02, 2001 @ 22:55 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4865. Places named after states (was Re: Glenelg
      Michael is probably right: http://viking.no/e/england/york/eboracum.htm Peter S. ... york ... streets
      Dec 02, 2001 @ 22:59 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4866. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Summer Quiz
      Michael Donner wrote: & second there are several quadricounty points on state lines in the usa such as at cone that doubly well named northeast corner of
      Dec 02, 2001 @ 23:29 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
4867. Re: coksok runneth over
      Sorry for going on about something as trivial as this, but it bugs me no end... Why that cup? A US way of saying this is a tripoint ? A way of a tripoint
      Dec 02, 2001 @ 23:32 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4868. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Places named after states (was Re: Glenelg
      For those of us who still speak the language of the Vikings the name name of York was in the Old Icelandic Sagas written as Jórvík. Jór is another word for
      Dec 03, 2001 @ 01:04 - Emil Boasson (Emil Boasson <eb3@...>)
4869. Re: Summer Quiz
      ... thats ok jack & no disappointment at all for it is fortunate to have your attention on all this my delorme nebraska atlas certainly agrees with you about
      Dec 03, 2001 @ 02:33 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4870. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Places named after states (was Re: Glenelg
      ... And the gates are called bars . The original Shambles, if memory serves, was the butchers quarter of some old town; was it York? -- Anton Sherwood --
      Dec 03, 2001 @ 02:58 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4871. Places named after states (was Re: Glenelg
      ... a most felicitous encapsulation peter & now our 4th guiding beacon of try pointing m i mean after never believe the locals the signs & the maps
      Dec 03, 2001 @ 03:03 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4872. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Summer Quiz
      This raises the question: what is the closest pair of distinct tripoints? ... -- Anton Sherwood -- http://www.ogre.nu/
      Dec 03, 2001 @ 03:21 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4873. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Summer Quiz
      Good question Anton. So far I ve identified three that miss by less than 50 ft. One each in Florida, Georgia and Minnesota. there may be more and I also want
      Dec 03, 2001 @ 03:45 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
4874. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Morkulien joint admin area
      Noreg is Norway in New Norwegian. Here is a site on the topic: http://library.thinkquest.org/18802/norwlang.htm?tqskip=1 I cannot believe I am teaching the
      Dec 03, 2001 @ 04:44 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
4875. Re: Kerguelen and McDonald/Heard _do_ border, EEZ-wise!
      ... i imagined this law is being implemented uniformly & that any unclos signatory nation can make these eez & shelf claims to the fullest extent of the law &
      Dec 03, 2001 @ 05:08 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4876. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Places named after states (was Re: Glenelg
      I don t think the Danish Vikings were so much involved with Jorvik. This was in general a Norwegian-Icelandic Viking territory. The Danish Vikings ruled more
      Dec 03, 2001 @ 05:19 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
4877. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Morkulien joint admin area
      Norway has two official Norwegian languages ( Bokmal (about 90 %) and Nynorsk (about 10 %)) which is spoken all over Norway, but it is correct that Nynorsk
      Dec 03, 2001 @ 05:19 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
4878. Re: Summer Quiz
      ... yes good question but good luck too in choosing which kinds of tripoints you would include in your inquiry as there are so many kinds & myriads of each
      Dec 03, 2001 @ 05:38 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4879. Places named after states (was Re: Glenelg
      ... amazing peter but how did you know we would all know that or did you just know anton would tell us that too ok ok so i get that part now but then didnt
      Dec 03, 2001 @ 05:58 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4880. Re: Please help
      ... grant i am glad you answered this so well & without even setting off another clave definition riot & i agree with you about your & our primary
      Dec 03, 2001 @ 07:18 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4881. Re: Morkulien joint admin area
      I knew that. But I believe New Norwegian is based on West Norwegian dialects. Not the stuff they are talking at the nose border. Peter S. ... one ... not ...
      Dec 03, 2001 @ 07:42 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4882. Re: clavoscopy of everyones land advances
      ... it or they are on the most recent 6 cia maps of antarctica at perry castaneda & could easily be a dead fly on the master map which no one has noticed or
      Dec 03, 2001 @ 07:46 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4883. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Morkulien joint admin area
      (watch it, the name is mis-spelled in the subject of this thread). Here are some scans of Morokulien-things of mine - philatelistic envelope withe a Swedish
      Dec 03, 2001 @ 12:19 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@amsat.org>)
4884. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Morkulien joint admin area
      Is Morokulien smaller than the Conch Republic (Key West, Florida), which issues its own passport as well (I got one last year)? They seceded from the Union
      Dec 03, 2001 @ 12:57 - Ray Milefsky ("Ray Milefsky" <mrrayj@...>)
4885. Re: Marcel
      Hello, Consulted the treaty of Llívia ( nov. 12th, 1660 ), there is no mention to any border marker. From 1660 to 1868 ( delimition act ) the spanish/french
      Dec 03, 2001 @ 12:58 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@navegalia.com>)
4886. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Morkulien joint admin area
      It is more like the Int l peace park on the caus border.... more info at www.peacegarden.com bob beckett hollis, nh
      Dec 03, 2001 @ 14:08 - Beckett, Bob ("Beckett, Bob" <Bob.Beckett@...>)
4887. Re: clavoscopy of everyones land advances
      orc@o... wrote: Grant Hutchison wrote: (...) Macy and Swain and the Auroras. but that is even more interesting (...) At
      Dec 03, 2001 @ 17:13 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4888. Re: Morkulien joint admin area
      ... The elected Secretary General (PO Box 6583, Key West, FL (Conch Republic) 33041 has actually had US passport officials dutifully stamp his CR Diplomatic
      Dec 03, 2001 @ 17:17 - smaardijk@yahoo.com (smaardijk@...)
4889. Re: Marcel
      ... (...)I think the pedra dreta as a undisputed boundary limit is clear, because the marker number 1 is placed there, and according the delimitation act
      Dec 03, 2001 @ 17:35 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4890. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Morkulien joint admin area
      Harry, Too bad the Morokulien radio call sign isn t LG5GL. That would make Grant and Michael happy in their palindromic pursuits. Jack ... From: Harry ten
      Dec 03, 2001 @ 18:15 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
4891. Close encounters of the quadri-county kind
      Michael, I am not entirely happy with the northeast corner of Colorado situation. That area of CO and adjacent NE is not available on Topozone at 1:25000
      Dec 03, 2001 @ 18:35 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
4892. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Close encounters of the quadri-county kind
      ... jack please be entirely happy anyway in the meantime & i will also search nebraska statutes this should be a barn burner of a megapoint if we ever do
      Dec 03, 2001 @ 22:54 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
4893. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Morkulien joint admin area
      Au contraire, mon cher. The EU recognized the passports of those major tribal nations who have a semi-sovereign status in the United States. They include the
      Dec 04, 2001 @ 00:39 - Ray Milefsky ("Ray Milefsky" <mrrayj@...>)
4894. Re: Morkulien joint admin area
      absolutely intriguing go ray go this is hot stuff promising a whole grammar for parsing sovereignty & especially so if the americans have been doing a little
      Dec 04, 2001 @ 01:29 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4895. the ksmook cup & someones new ksmook
      ... dont be silly bugs i mean peter or rather i would sooner be silly than sorry & trivial is beautiful at least 3 ways ... not generally so in my
      Dec 04, 2001 @ 01:51 - michael donner (michael donner <orc@orcoast.com>)
4896. Re: Marcel
      it is a thin line but when modern stones actually abut or are combined with= their predecessors it might be fair to say the predecessors are still regu= lar
      Dec 04, 2001 @ 01:47 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4897. Re: Marcel
      well marcel you have traced this as well as could be & it really does ap= pear to have been a working intermunicipal rock since 1660 at latest if not=
      Dec 04, 2001 @ 04:05 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4898. Re: Morkulien joint admin area
      glad to finally get the truth about the conch republic which tho a favorite of mine does now appear to bite the dust as a real ghost of a political entity
      Dec 04, 2001 @ 04:22 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4899. Places named after states (was Re: Glenelg
      emil i was wondering what language this is you are still speaking do you mean los jorses or hoss angeles m
      Dec 04, 2001 @ 04:47 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4900. Re: congrats Eef Berns
      yes i certainly understand eef & it is nice to leave somewhere to go too whether for others to discover or for later in life also i think about the submarkers
      Dec 04, 2001 @ 05:06 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4901. Re: clavoscopy of everyones land advances
      right i agree eezs arent an issue south of s60 except if grant & veridian are correct in projecting them down into there from the south sandwiches or other
      Dec 04, 2001 @ 05:33 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4902. Re: Another erratum
      how did you sex the stream is it transgender in translation sounds interesting for sawanabori development m
      Dec 04, 2001 @ 05:56 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4903. Re: I meant defrlu of course...
      ... do you mean for example when i read defrlu i hear deafer loo & understand & visualize just that meaning in other words i envision a less acoustic toilet
      Dec 04, 2001 @ 06:11 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4904. Re: bedelu1
      is this patch of dry condo the only dry part of both entire delu condo area= s it seems so ridiculously minuscule a concrete needle catwalk hugging a clump
      Dec 04, 2001 @ 07:00 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4905. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: bedelu1
      ... From other pictures of the place, it seems the condo is about half of a good-sized island; you could build a house or two in it. -- Anton Sherwood --
      Dec 04, 2001 @ 07:28 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4906. Re: bedelu1
      doh i am glad you are awake anton but i was trying to break bills & brendans 12 12 tie in the alltime bp record of straight consecutive posts in a row btw
      Dec 04, 2001 @ 07:38 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4907. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: bedelu1
      ... hm, why there? i m in a place with a milder climate than either of those. -- Anton Sherwood -- http://www.ogre.nu/
      Dec 04, 2001 @ 07:53 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4908. Re: bedelu1
      ... there was some drift in the conversation maybe just bum associations or something yanko or brit ... ok so i need to try pointing hmm did i see nu in your
      Dec 04, 2001 @ 08:01 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4909. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Morkulien joint admin area
      ... Allegedly there s a small piece of Colorado(?) that was left out between the Louisiana Purchase and the various bits of ex-Mexico; the inhabitants
      Dec 04, 2001 @ 08:10 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4910. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: bedelu1
      ... My domain is in Niue merely because it s cheap. -- Anton Sherwood -- http://www.ogre.nu/
      Dec 04, 2001 @ 08:12 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4911. Re: Morkulien joint admin area
      you gotta be kiddin that sounds more real than the conch republic but also smacks of mike fink & why has it left such little trace hmm was this perhaps the
      Dec 04, 2001 @ 08:08 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4912. Re: bedelu1
      ahh a niueuin but where are you if you dont mind it is very puzzling that you are even awake m
      Dec 04, 2001 @ 08:11 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4913. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: bedelu1
      ... i wouldn t dream of spoiling the game. -- Anton Sherwood -- http://www.ogre.nu/
      Dec 04, 2001 @ 08:26 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4914. Re: bedelu1
      are there any rules or any prize or award for whoever finds you & how will we know when we have found you m
      Dec 04, 2001 @ 08:24 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4915. Re: Morkulien joint admin area
      actually the map in bus&ss p11 shows several overlaps but no gaps so it does look like a bogus allegation from here or rather only an allegation but it
      Dec 04, 2001 @ 08:38 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4916. Where is Anton, WAS: RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: bedelu1
      ... Let s see. What continent? I d say Europe. Are you close to other active posters to BP?
      Dec 04, 2001 @ 08:39 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <blofeld_es@...>)
4917. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: bedelu1
      ... Maybe this has been covered here already, but here is my understanding of the dry parts of the DELU condominium: 1 island in the Our, close to the northern
      Dec 04, 2001 @ 08:41 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <blofeld_es@...>)
4918. RE: Marcle
      You re right. We can resume the history of pedra dreta as boundary marker as: - before 1660: communal border. municipal tripoint. - from 1660 to 1868:
      Dec 04, 2001 @ 08:42 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
4919. correction
      but wait i was deceived by a color printing error there does indeed on closer examination & introspection appear to be a patch just like you say in north west
      Dec 04, 2001 @ 08:47 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4920. Re: bedelu1
      yes thank you again mats i do recall now it went by so fast at a library computer & clearly i did relish your original transmission enough to offer up have
      Dec 04, 2001 @ 09:05 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4921. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Morokulien -> Native American passports
      Since when is that the case? Because when I read it (maybe 20 years ago), it was certainly presented as a succeeded attempt of misleading the Dutch immigration
      Dec 04, 2001 @ 17:15 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
4922. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: bedelu1
      Mike The requested pictures on the subject were posted in message 4849 Jesper ... The bridges are also dry condominiums
      Dec 04, 2001 @ 17:16 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
4923. Re: bedelu1
      Well, there is that building on the bridgehead at Keppeshausen that I visited and of which I have taken pictures, that I posted here. So there are certainly
      Dec 04, 2001 @ 17:52 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4924. Canada US border in the news...
      Story, links, etc. here: http://www.cbc.ca/cgi-bin/templates/print.cgi?/news/2001/12/04/border_critic011204 Doug
      Dec 04, 2001 @ 18:13 - Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com ("Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com" <dmurray@...>)
4925. Re: clavoscopy of everyones land advances
      ... A biland is a dependency. Look at http://www.ssb.no/emner/00/00/20/nos_c513/nos_c513.pdf . I know that you have trouble reading PDF files, and the
      Dec 04, 2001 @ 17:40 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
4926. Drielandensteen
      In March 2001 we discussed this bordermarker, nr. 862-1 near Overdinkel (nl). It is a triangular stone on the tripoint Netherlands/Niedersachsen/Nordrhein
      Dec 04, 2001 @ 20:41 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
4927. [BoundaryPoint] Re: Where is Anton, WAS: RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: bedelu1
      My guess: Anton Sherwood is in San Francisco, CA, hailing originally from Illinois... (Nothing a short name search on google.com won t solve...) :-) Greetings
      Dec 04, 2001 @ 20:49 - Anton Florian Zeilinger ("Anton Florian Zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
4928. Re: clavoscopy of everyones land advances
      ... Ah, I see what you mean. It looks like a cartographer with a tic has attempted to insert the Diego Ramirez islands, just a tad too far south and a tad too
      Dec 04, 2001 @ 22:21 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4929. Re: clavoscopy of everyones land advances
      ... Ah, I see what you mean. It looks like a cartographer with a tic has attempted to insert the Diego Ramirez islands, just a tad too far south and a tad too
      Dec 04, 2001 @ 22:22 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4930. the lost kingdom of the rockies
      this topic recently raised by anton & initially dismissed by me out of ignorance owing to a coloring mistake in bus&ss fig3 p11 & then gratefully retrieved by
      Dec 05, 2001 @ 01:17 - michael donner (michael donner <orc@...>)
4931. the great State of Jefferson
      m et. al, I may have touched on Jefferson earlier, but it never really came to be a state. The day after the movement seemed to be gaining ground, the
      Dec 05, 2001 @ 01:48 - PitHokie (PitHokie <pithokie@...>)
4932. oldest purely 'fiat' international boundary?
      What do you think is the oldest example of a purely fiat international boundary? A purely fiat boudnary is one which is drawn independently of any features
      Dec 05, 2001 @ 01:53 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
4933. Re: oldest purely 'fiat' international boundary?
      just to be sure what you mean david would this include any straight line segment between any 2 markers & do you care whether it is still on an extant boundary
      Dec 05, 2001 @ 02:20 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4934. Re: [BoundaryPoint] oldest purely 'fiat' international boundary?
      What about the Great Wall of China, the Wall between Britannia and Scotia? The early Chinese Kingdoms had borders, authoritative or arbitrary. What about
      Dec 05, 2001 @ 02:28 - Emil Boasson (Emil Boasson <eb3@...>)
4935. Re: the great State of Jefferson
      brendan the oft proposed state of jefferson you have been talking about here on the west coast isnt the same as the actual historic state of jefferson that
      Dec 05, 2001 @ 02:31 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4936. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: oldest purely 'fiat' international boundary?
      I guess my colleague s claim is that there were few if any demarcated boundaries that wandered across the landscape independent of landscape features in the
      Dec 05, 2001 @ 02:31 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
4937. Re: oldest purely 'fiat' international boundary?
      ... i would have thought the walls were the only working boundaries ... what makes that an interesting length you know all these frontiers were of variable
      Dec 05, 2001 @ 02:50 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4938. Re: Drielandensteen
      very nice harry it is good to see a capital class a & this monument certainly deserves it while normally the class designations refer only to the precise
      Dec 05, 2001 @ 03:20 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4939. Re: clavoscopy of everyones land advances
      ... One amazing (if true) claim on that web page is that the Kerguelen Islands were possibly sighted in 1410 . If so, then by who?? This would be decades
      Dec 05, 2001 @ 03:24 - Ross Finlayson (Ross Finlayson <finlayson@...>)
4940. Re: oldest purely 'fiat' international boundary?
      Did anyone in this thread about fiat boundaries mention the Roman Limes that stretched across western central Europe? It was demarcated by putting
      Dec 05, 2001 @ 03:30 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
4941. Re: bedelu1
      well just being there at all must be pretty groovy & spending ones workdays there must be even better but i would still like to find someone who actually
      Dec 05, 2001 @ 03:30 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
4942. Re: oldest purely 'fiat' international boundary?
      Did anyone in this thread about fiat boundaries mention the Roman Limes that stretched across western central Europe? It was demarcated by putting
      Dec 05, 2001 @ 03:30 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
4943. Re: oldest purely 'fiat' international boundary?
      One other thing David wrote, to which I wanted to respond... I d like to hear about even a curvy international birder that did not follow features of the
      Dec 05, 2001 @ 03:39 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
4944. Re: bedelu1
      yes thats what i saw jesper thanx but just couldnt come to any conclusion about what it may have been like or would be like to pet that triline or better
      Dec 05, 2001 @ 03:56 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
4945. Re: oldest purely 'fiat' international boundary?
      ... it was first mentioned in 1681 & first marked in 1701 when both de & pa were still owned by william penn tho under different leases & was until de
      Dec 05, 2001 @ 04:22 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
4946. US non-states and one trivia question
      m, sorry for confusing the two! do you have any reference for the one of which you speak? was it actually recognized by congress? i have never heard of such
      Dec 05, 2001 @ 04:29 - PitHokie (PitHokie <pithokie@...>)
4947. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: oldest purely 'fiat' international boundary?
      ... Not many available there! Though I think the wall prefers north-facing slopes, so that the Picts would have to charge uphill. -- Anton Sherwood --
      Dec 05, 2001 @ 04:47 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4948. Re: US non-states and one trivia question
      ... no it was evidently just an upstart wild west thing but briefly real source boundaries of the united states & the several states aka bus&ss or just the
      Dec 05, 2001 @ 04:49 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
4949. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: bedelu1
      I spite of Wolfgang Gärtners excellent information on befrlu, there where no triline markers on the island or the eastern bank. There was a marker on the
      Dec 05, 2001 @ 05:07 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
4950. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: oldest purely 'fiat' international boundary?
      Gambia is made up of curves a set distance FROM the river. Adn there is a semicircle in the southern end of Zimbabwe s boundary with Botswana, centred on Tuli.
      Dec 05, 2001 @ 05:20 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
4951. Re: bedelu1
      ah well jesper that was all i was looking for & you know what you have really uncovered here is the enormous challenge th= at lies ahead of us if we are ever
      Dec 05, 2001 @ 05:27 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
4952. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Where is Anton, WAS: Re: bedelu1
      ... Nope. Born in Italy. ... Oh? Now tell me where my old buddy Paul Rubenstein is. -- Anton Sherwood -- http://www.ogre.nu/
      Dec 05, 2001 @ 06:30 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4953. special to brendan pithokie
      possibly the biggest boundary monument in the world is described & linked to a pic in message 748 & we do take pleasure in bringing it out from time to time m
      Dec 05, 2001 @ 08:09 - michael donner (michael donner <orc@...>)
4954. Re: [BoundaryPoint] special to brendan pithokie
      Another big monument is at the tripoint bra-arg-par. See for a picture f.e. Peter Herings site http://geocities.com/mafiapetedk/ The picture is in the right
      Dec 05, 2001 @ 22:08 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
4955. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: oldest purely 'fiat' international boundary?
      ... monuments still in existence from perhaps the mid 14th century tho no longer working now but stored in dinxpeerlo museum if i recall ... I visited the
      Dec 05, 2001 @ 22:16 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
4956. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Drielandensteen
      ... directly above this tall triangular stone on your page remains the leading candidate for the oldest working international boundary stone in the world
      Dec 05, 2001 @ 22:24 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
4957. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Digest Number 533
      following are misc comments in medley format ... found on top of or under ... all these lost realities when added to the discovery of the lost coast brewery in
      Dec 06, 2001 @ 01:53 - michael donner (michael donner <orc@...>)
4958. Re: Drielandensteen
      ... it is most of the way to what i would like to see especially if the book tells its reason for guessing the date 1480 & particularly if it names its sources
      Dec 06, 2001 @ 01:39 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
4959. Re: special to brendan pithokie
      ... you dont really mean the corner one with that little monte python guy on top of it but the big one just beneath it & it reminds me that argentina & brazil
      Dec 06, 2001 @ 02:48 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
4960. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Digest Number 533
      michael donner wrote: ... i will say this: i have indeed spent considerable time in san francisco but am not there now nor have i ever posted to this list from
      Dec 06, 2001 @ 05:34 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4961. Re: Digest Number 533
      well i think mats & anton z are still leading the chase you fox you while i am just up late here at rostah cay doing a little research on a potential frgbnl
      Dec 06, 2001 @ 05:55 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
4962. Re: the good news from gideons jerusalem bible
      from message 770 last december comes this possibly hot lead to a definitive answer or best available guess at where & when the oldest international fiat
      Dec 06, 2001 @ 06:33 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
4963. Re: worlds extremest claves
      i am wondering again whether any of the following burning questions from january as well as perfect fodder for harrys boundary extremity hall of fame have been
      Dec 06, 2001 @ 09:07 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
4964. Re: Mexico and USA Agree to Divide Unclaimed Area in Gulf of Mexico
      the following from martins very illuminating message 1345 in january may be the source of my recently mentioned belief that there is a united nations registry
      Dec 06, 2001 @ 09:31 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
4965. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Antarctic palindrome list
      Hi, a little idea for this palindrome search machine: maybe its possible to change its abilities in a way that it can detect places like port de la aledtrop
      Dec 06, 2001 @ 11:11 - wertkauf@gmx.net (wertkauf@...)
4966. Re: territorial sea enclaves
      in message 1773 earlier this year martin indicated ... joint sovereignty he said meaning a territorial sea tridominium i believe & thus our 5th known condo &
      Dec 06, 2001 @ 11:31 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
4967. the elusive frgbnl et al
      newcomers may not all realize we have pioneered here in scoping out the maritime tricountry points ever since the first millennium bp when for example in
      Dec 06, 2001 @ 15:24 - michael donner (michael donner <orc@...>)
4968. Re: the elusive frgbnl et al
      ... indies ... sovereign dry ... foreclosed ... claim gb ... claiming a full ... I can only add that acc. to
      Dec 06, 2001 @ 18:45 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
4969. Re: Antarctic palindrome list
      ... It already would find such a place. If it is presented with (say) a four-word name, it checks each word, each adjacent pair of words, both consecutive
      Dec 06, 2001 @ 19:56 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4970. Re: the elusive frgbnl et al
      ... Marvellous! You ve abolished one of my perfs, since St P&M clearly now have a corridor to the high seas. Again, this casts into doubt the accuracy of the
      Dec 06, 2001 @ 22:05 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4971. Re: the elusive frgbnl et al
      ... There ... now ... a multilateral ... Maybe, but I don t see an EEZ/high seas border on this map. Although it would be silly to give France a 200 nm long
      Dec 06, 2001 @ 22:16 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
4972. Re: the elusive frgbnl et al
      ... And, possibly, judging from that map, the Italian terr. waters and EEZ come together at that point. A quintipoint? More like a 4 1/2 point, then... Peter
      Dec 06, 2001 @ 22:51 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
4973. Re: the elusive frgbnl et al
      ... Surely a corridor has to have *something* at the other end? Otherwise it would be a tongue . The St P&M area shown on www.maritimeboundaries.com looks
      Dec 06, 2001 @ 23:11 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4974. Re: the elusive frgbnl et al
      ... foreclosed ... claim gb ... a full ... Yahoo whimsically isn t allowing me to go to a specific numbered message, agog though I am to recall whatever it was
      Dec 06, 2001 @ 23:29 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4975. RE: [BoundaryPoint] oldest purely 'fiat' international boundary?
      Ancient boundaries were drawn by extending the frontier of civilization (pomerium in Latin) out beyond city walls into the realms of the barbarian -- not by
      Dec 07, 2001 @ 02:49 - Ray Milefsky ("Ray Milefsky" <mrrayj@...>)
4976. Re: the elusive frgbnl et al
      ... whaa i must have misunderstood & dont have the maps do you mean in prescott the median frnl projected from the east end of dry frnl runs away from the
      Dec 07, 2001 @ 04:25 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
4977. Re: the elusive frgbnl et al
      ... i agree the shape of peters stp&m map & several others i have seen always make this eez look so odd that it almost has to have been negotiated or
      Dec 07, 2001 @ 05:00 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
4978. Re: the elusive frgbnl et al
      ... yes you are looking right again peter in 4928 for it is evidently both the everyonese evhritsi quadrisovereign point & the hritsihrit hybrid trisovereign
      Dec 07, 2001 @ 05:22 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
4979. Re: the elusive frgbnl et al
      ... how can you be sure enough yet to completely abolish it fragman spare that perf ... right these are the minimax counterparts or poles of this single point
      Dec 07, 2001 @ 05:43 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
4980. revised estd census of multinational pts
      note counts range from fairly hard to fairly wild basic sovereign territorial multipoints 161 continental or terrestrial points 007 territorial seas landward
      Dec 07, 2001 @ 08:16 - michael donner (michael donner <orc@...>)
4981. Re: Really Abitrary Points
      ... the problem is that there really is such a thing as zero degrees but never was such a thing as the year zero in our calendar even retroactively & when
      Dec 07, 2001 @ 09:00 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
4982. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Really Abitrary Points
      ... I sometimes wonder why historians use BC rather than Roman years. If Tolkien characters can cope with having year 1 follow year 3021, we ought to be able
      Dec 07, 2001 @ 09:15 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4983. Re: Really Abitrary Points
      ... evidently for the same reason we dont normally switch for no reason from fahrenheit when above freezing to centigrade when below or vice versa to continue
      Dec 07, 2001 @ 10:50 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
4984. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Really Abitrary Points
      A date which will live in infamy?
      Dec 07, 2001 @ 11:34 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
4985. Re: Really Abitrary Points
      since bp is so fortunate as to trace its astrological origin to the exactly opposite side of reality as infamy i guess that means our day will live in er
      Dec 07, 2001 @ 12:23 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
4986. Re: More lax than US-Canada?
      ... a nice thread from last summer well worth a replay but didnt you guys know canada already has 4 territories yukon nunavut & northwest plus the crown or
      Dec 07, 2001 @ 13:12 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
4987. Re: More lax than US-Canada?
      I disagree that it was worth replaying. BJB ... no more long line ups for we Canadians looking for cheap shoes and you Americans looking for cheap CD s. Or
      Dec 07, 2001 @ 15:55 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
4988. gbfrnl, evhritsi, cafr, etc
      ... from the ... Of course - it s heading towards St Kitts & Nevis. ... inshore or ... Yes. While searching for some sort of map I could post to inform this
      Dec 07, 2001 @ 19:56 - Grant Hutchison (Grant Hutchison <granthutchison@blueyonder.co.uk>)
4989. Re: gbfrnl, evhritsi, cafr, etc
      Grant Hutchison wrote: The reason for this odd course isn t obvious in EarthA, but becomes clear if you look at a map of Saint Martin / Sint Maarten, like the
      Dec 07, 2001 @ 21:11 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
4990. Some more St. Maarten/St. Martin stuff
      Acc. to a site of some touristic resort at http://www.captainolivers.com/us/bridge.html , the boundary runs along the northern shore of Oyster Pond. This
      Dec 07, 2001 @ 21:30 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
4991. Re: gbfrnl, evhritsi, cafr, etc
      ... Yes, there s not a lot of consistency in the maps I ve seen. But from the point of view of the equidistance line, the dry turning point isn t that
      Dec 07, 2001 @ 22:42 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
4992. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Digest Number 536
      ok then i apologize to anyone who agrees with brian & please overlook the following amendment too for no sooner had i posted the first replay than realized
      Dec 08, 2001 @ 00:21 - michael donner (michael donner <orc@...>)
4993. party favors
      for any of the crazier sexagenarian sentimentalists present at this our first bp multiantipodal nonbirthday celebration & fondly recalling how peter & his date
      Dec 08, 2001 @ 01:56 - michael donner (michael donner <orc@orcoast.com>)
4994. Re: gbfrnl, evhritsi, cafr, etc
      first i love titles like this so anything i can do to promote them i will but would also really like to say i still think prescott was very probably right when
      Dec 08, 2001 @ 03:28 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
4995. Re: gbfrnl, evhritsi, cafr, etc
      lots of back of forth inserted below ... yes & thanx for all that effort because thats what i was also remembering & booking on for the 12nm tripoint ... again
      Dec 08, 2001 @ 05:52 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
4996. Re: gbfrnl, evhritsi, cafr, etc
      ... perhaps to explain all of the difficulty in this entire discussion i believe i was told by the locals many years ago & have since seen it confirmed in
      Dec 08, 2001 @ 06:24 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
4997. there may be bigger in the world & others on st martin but
      http://www.travelfacts.com/tfacts/htm/sxm/monu.htm shows possibly the only frnl marker tho i could be mistaken about its uniqueness on an island that both
      Dec 08, 2001 @ 07:07 - michael donner (michael donner <orc@...>)
4998. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: More lax than US-Canada?
      ... atlantic, arctic (incl hudson bay), pacific and great lakes? -- Anton Sherwood -- http://www.ogre.nu/
      Dec 08, 2001 @ 09:23 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
4999. Re: More lax than US-Canada?
      ... well i am still unsure whether there are any out islands with isolated territorial seas to add to the 4 main territorial seas but because the atlantic &
      Dec 08, 2001 @ 10:23 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5000. Re: Border picture on the money/Neuwerk
      ... mean low tide is normally what defines it so i gather that is what you mean here also ... the fact that it is a tidal sea or basin makes it seem to fit the
      Dec 08, 2001 @ 11:08 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5001. Re: Bonus bits of Everyone's Sea
      ... but grant please help me understand this too are you thinking that just because these countries have agreed territorial sea boundaries departing from the
      Dec 08, 2001 @ 12:30 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5002. Re: one last itch to scratch re atchde
      ... yes peter this is an interesting article both in relation to atchde & also some of our most recent maritime discussions too but i think the words that
      Dec 08, 2001 @ 14:21 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5003. nysw and pane report
      Your junior border adventurer here with a brief report in my trip to PAne and NYsw on Thursday. I went up to Niagara Falls to play at the casino and on the
      Dec 08, 2001 @ 14:44 - PitHokie (PitHokie <pithokie@...>)
5004. Re: Kentucky Bend
      Hello You will not believe that I found this on www.mapquest.com Bye IMN ... on your photo just north of the narrow extremity of the neck ... $8.95/month.
      Dec 08, 2001 @ 14:53 - imnaanu ("imnaanu" <imnaanu@...>)
5005. Exclave.info now active
      Greetings, My newly registered domain Exclave.info is now active. Here are my plans for that site: a. It will be non-commercial, non-profit. (But I m
      Dec 08, 2001 @ 10:20 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
5006. Re: nysw and pane report
      Nice job! I would only add the following comments to your report: The large monument near PAN (a.k.a. PANE) was set in 1790 by none less than Andrew Ellicott.
      Dec 08, 2001 @ 16:14 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
5007. Re: gbfrnl, evhritsi, cafr, etc
      ... GB ... Which is what I meant, tongue in cheek, by stronger juju and better mojo . ... the single point. It comes from my perfs and frags interest: Is
      Dec 08, 2001 @ 16:52 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5008. Re: Bonus bits of Everyone's Sea
      ... but grant please help me understand this too I ve attached a little sketch of the situation on the border between Peru and Chile. The 1952 treaty border is
      Dec 08, 2001 @ 17:26 - Grant Hutchison (Grant Hutchison <granthutchison@blueyonder.co.uk>)
5009. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: nysw and pane report
      I will have to get a copy of that book! Since I m relatively new I thought I d still post a report to see what I ve missed. Now you ve encouraged me to
      Dec 08, 2001 @ 18:24 - PitHokie (PitHokie <pithokie@...>)
5010. Canada terr waters
      ... I suppose you knew you gave away Boundary Bay by mentioning Point Roberts. -- Anton Sherwood -- http://www.ogre.nu/
      Dec 08, 2001 @ 20:48 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
5011. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: the good news from gideons jerusalem bible
      Ah, but the question was not about extant boundaries. So if there had been a straight line boundary somwhere, between the Roman empire and the Persian empire
      Dec 09, 2001 @ 00:14 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
5012. Re: Canada terr waters
      ... bingo so 3 down & 1 to go but i also recently gave the 4th one away too because i am very fair m
      Dec 09, 2001 @ 02:22 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5013. Re: [BoundaryPoint] nysw and pane report
      ... The western boundary of NY State is indeed fixed at the meridian or longitude line that runs through the western end of current Lake Ontario (near
      Dec 09, 2001 @ 02:28 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
5014. Re: nysw and pane report
      ... the 1781 cession of the erie triangle by ny to the usa is what set the ny west boundary that way which suggests either geographic ignorance or an uncertain
      Dec 09, 2001 @ 02:59 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5015. dry pane &or dry pan & nysw & perhaps dry ohn
      ... yes everything west of the meridian now marked by this leaning 1885 monument was ceded by ny to the usa in 1781 & sold by geowash to pa in 1792 &
      Dec 09, 2001 @ 04:02 - michael donner (michael donner <orc@...>)
5016. Re: Bonus bits of Everyone's Sea
      ... grant thank you very much indeed for demonstrating these cool cooddities & i think all their 12nm lines also must take a similar jog tho in that case the
      Dec 09, 2001 @ 04:46 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5017. Re: gbfrnl, evhritsi, cafr, etc
      ... that choice is fortunate also because the triangle actually appears to be an exclave of croatian sovereign territory & moreover to disqualify it because of
      Dec 09, 2001 @ 05:06 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5018. Re: nysw and pane report
      ... bzzzzzzzzzzz hahahahahaha it says 1790 & he set one near it in 1790 but i think his might be your other monument or else it is lost for this one is
      Dec 09, 2001 @ 05:21 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5019. Re: the good news from gideons jerusalem bible
      yes it certainly would be a contender if you could ignore that it was probably just someones idea of the limit or end of something or other rather than an
      Dec 09, 2001 @ 06:00 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5020. Re: DELU condo research
      ... wow mats & excuse me but i must have missed this also the first 2 times around so can you or anyone summarize what if anything we know about any atde condo
      Dec 09, 2001 @ 06:44 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5021. Baarle enclaves correctly outlined on the maps
      In reaction to the corrections posted in BP regarding the downloadable map-scans of the Baarle-area (still available on:
      Dec 09, 2001 @ 07:51 - Eef Berns ("Eef Berns" <eefberns@...>)
5022. Re: Luxembourg border sum up
      ... jesper this punctoscopic breakthru flew right past me at the time because i was on the road but i just want to congratulate you on it again now that i have
      Dec 09, 2001 @ 10:13 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5023. Re: Neuwerk -> internal waters at sea
      Looking at a Dutch topo map, one can see municipal and provincial boundaries drawn in the Wadden Sea. I think the Wadden Sea can be considered internal waters.
      Dec 09, 2001 @ 13:34 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5024. Re: one last itch to scratch re atchde
      acroorca2002 wrote: (...) since the condo option is effectively blocked by the stated preference of at least one of the other parties for the default principle
      Dec 09, 2001 @ 14:09 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5025. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Border picture on the money/Neuwerk
      ... 3339 ... from ... One ... tide. ... mean here also No, when I wrote mean tide I ment the tide, like halfway between low and high tide. So that would be
      Dec 09, 2001 @ 17:37 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
5026. Afghanistan - Uzbekistan border
      Saw on Dutch TV the good news that the Friendship Bridge in the Afghanistan - Uzbekistan border has been re-opend. Never seen this border before, it is also
      Dec 09, 2001 @ 18:09 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
5027. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Afghanistan - Uzbekistan border
      Another nice view http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/p/ap/20011208/wl/1007817545powell_ny113.html ... From: Harry ten Veen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent:
      Dec 09, 2001 @ 18:23 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5028. Re: Afghanistan - Uzbekistan border
      And, in other times still: http://jankos.narod.ru/fevral.html Peter S. ... http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/p/ap/20011208/wl/1007817545powell_ny113.h tml ...
      Dec 09, 2001 @ 18:30 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5029. Re: nysw and pane report
      The monument near PANE-On-Erie is not of the same design as the ones near NJNYPA, NYSW, or NJE for that matter. The former is not tapered and has no pediment,
      Dec 09, 2001 @ 19:54 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
5030. substandard dutch territorial sea in question
      From: ps1966nl ... me neither but without a map in view this situation smacks of the topological model we have already met in the usa &
      Dec 10, 2001 @ 00:03 - michael donner (michael donner <orc@...>)
5031. last itch in atchde
      From: ps1966nl ... well equipartition is only a thought form anyway & it is either more or less advanced in reality depending on whose
      Dec 10, 2001 @ 00:59 - michael donner (michael donner <orc@...>)
5032. Re: nysw and pane report
      you are right that there are some slight differences among the 4 witness monuments i am talking about & i have no idea why you mention nje even if you really
      Dec 10, 2001 @ 01:47 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5033. Re: Border picture on the money/Neuwerk
      ... right harry & it is along the lowest lines of this sometimes dry land that nederland would normally then connect baselines & project its sovereign
      Dec 10, 2001 @ 02:07 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5034. Re: nysw and pane report
      I mentioned NJE because the monument at the top of the cliffs near there (on the NJ/NY line) is IDENTICAL in form to the witness monument near NJNYPA (also on
      Dec 10, 2001 @ 04:06 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
5035. Re: BoNaZaZi - crumbs only
      ... as excellent a class e visit as has ever been reported for this or any other point imo effendi & i would like to nominate it for bp visit of the year tho i
      Dec 10, 2001 @ 06:19 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5036. Re: nysw and pane report
      you are right mr butlerus about the nje njnypa witness match as these 2 came first & both date from 1882 but dont you also see that all 5 ny witness stones
      Dec 10, 2001 @ 07:10 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5037. Re: Cooch Behar map (again)
      ... nats & brendan here is another oldie but goldie & biggie i have still yet to access & apparently geocities is down at the moment too so i wonder if you can
      Dec 10, 2001 @ 08:44 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5038. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Cooch Behar map (again)
      Geocities have removed all my files, because I didn t sport an index.htm-file. Obviously that was required. Michael, the map is here now:
      Dec 10, 2001 @ 08:58 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <blofeld_es@...>)
5039. Re: ongoing search for fantastic or real boundary crosses
      ... ok i found the awesome bengal clave map in 2917 & these refs to the boundary crosses on it in 2949 & was so satisfied by the look & historical credentials
      Dec 10, 2001 @ 09:48 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5040. Re: Cooch Behar map (again)
      ahh wonderful mats & we are fairly leapfrogging to conclusions now for besides being able to see it whole & more clearly we have your arrows & eagle eye while
      Dec 10, 2001 @ 10:15 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5041. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Cooch Behar map (again)
      ... I don t wish to violate Brendan s copyright by scanning his excellent paper map, but this is what I read from it: - 35 and the Patgram salient could well
      Dec 10, 2001 @ 10:26 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <blofeld_es@...>)
5042. Re: Cooch Behar map (again)
      ah mats i see you are talking about pink 50 & 51 whereas brendan was referring to green 50 & 51 in message 2949 so possibly only a color flop has occurred
      Dec 10, 2001 @ 10:37 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5043. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Cooch Behar map (again)
      ... Michael, I should have used the colors to clarify. Here are my observations again, with respect to Brendans compiled paper map: - Green 35 and the Patgram
      Dec 10, 2001 @ 10:41 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <blofeld_es@...>)
5044. Re: Cooch Behar map (again)
      ... ok thanx i needed that because i cant see your second patgram salient on this map & now i cant wait til brendan wakes up either so i can find out what the
      Dec 10, 2001 @ 11:08 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5045. Unsubscribe
      Please unsubscribe me from this group list.
      Dec 10, 2001 @ 11:33 - J. Logroño Morales (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J._Logro=F1o_Morales?= <logromor@...>)
5046. Re: An Indian Ocean high seas enclave
      grant another case of believe it or not i still cant get this attachment but it intrigues me & i would like both to see it & compare it to prescott because i
      Dec 10, 2001 @ 11:57 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5047. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Unsubscribe
      unsubscribe ... From: J. Logroño Morales Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 6:34 AM To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Unsubscribe Please
      Dec 10, 2001 @ 11:53 - Ruth Gibson ("Ruth Gibson" <chi1e@...>)
5048. Re: nysw and pane report
      I agree that the leaner probably is not Ellicottian, but I disagree that NYSW, PANE, and NJE are similar to PAN. True, they are all made of stone. But, in
      Dec 10, 2001 @ 12:45 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
5049. Re: More holes in the world EEZ
      i have no idea about the paracels or scarboro reef but from this map & a more detailed one in prescott i surmise there may be as many as 33 spratly islands not
      Dec 10, 2001 @ 14:01 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5050. Re: nysw and pane report
      yes make that even money & i will spot you 90 years meaning i bet the leaner proves not only not to be 1790 but actually 1881 or later & i know we are equally
      Dec 10, 2001 @ 14:54 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5051. special to brian
      actually bus&ss gives the correct date on p79 as 1869 so you get to take all my money since that is only 79 years after ellicott m
      Dec 10, 2001 @ 15:13 - michael donner (michael donner <orc@...>)
5052. Re: special to brian
      Thanks for investigating this. I guess we re both right and wrong. By the way, I believe it s BUS&SS page 78. BJB ... to take
      Dec 10, 2001 @ 15:44 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
5053. Re: World 200nm EEZ survey
      ... & i am glad to revisit grants posting 2391 & especially the above snippets from it because even allowing for the possibility that there may be some
      Dec 10, 2001 @ 15:51 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5054. Re: special to brian
      hahaha ok that was fun lets run up the flagpole again & everyone is always right if you allow it m
      Dec 10, 2001 @ 15:56 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5055. Re: substandard dutch territorial sea in question
      ... to this ... staggering ... certainly ... What I mean is that territorial waters are not equal in sovereignty to dry territory (although much more similar
      Dec 10, 2001 @ 19:09 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5056. Re: World 200nm EEZ survey
      ... [...] ... Oops. Got my west and east crossed there - I fixed the file in the download area, but thought the posting was decently buried until Michael dug
      Dec 10, 2001 @ 19:22 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5057. Re: oldest purely 'fiat' international boundary?
      The (15th? century)Treaty of Tordessillas, dividing the world into Spanish and Portugese spheres, may not have given the oldest such boundary, but it must be
      Dec 10, 2001 @ 19:45 - johnfgriffiths ("johnfgriffiths" <johnfrancisgriffiths@...>)
5058. Re: An Indian Ocean high seas enclave
      ... Let me know your full e-mail address (rather then the clipped version I can see in Yahoo), and I ll e-mail it to you. ... I can t vouch for the small
      Dec 10, 2001 @ 20:00 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5059. Re: More holes in the world EEZ
      ... Prescott doesn t give a high seas enclave here, presumably because it s going to end up tiled over *somehow* with various claims. The habitability aspect
      Dec 10, 2001 @ 20:06 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5060. Re: oldest purely 'fiat' international boundary?
      ... Yep, 1494. ... The line of demarcation was 370 leagues west of the Azores - Portugal got the bit between 370 and 100 leagues west (if not already owned by
      Dec 10, 2001 @ 20:20 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5061. Info on Sonora Chihuahua state border in Mexico needed
      Those of you who study USA state borders may be aware of USGS Professional Paper 909, dated 1976, which contains a wealth of info about state borders and
      Dec 11, 2001 @ 00:31 - Andy Martin (Andy Martin <martin@...>)
5062. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Cooch Behar map (again)
      ... Yes, Jote Nijama (Bangladeshi 35 in India) and the Patgram slaient seem to be connected at a point on 1-inch british maps, from which my paper map has been
      Dec 11, 2001 @ 00:33 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
5063. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Cooch Behar map (again)
      Boundary crosses (ie quadpoints shared by only 2 countries, not 4) exist in 4 places, only three of which are confirmed: at Baarle (1), at Jungholz (1) and at
      Dec 11, 2001 @ 00:38 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
5064. Re: Cooch Behar map (again)
      thanxx many brendan & there is great celebration in the land now that we finally have your best advice & consent on these 2 beauties which you may recall
      Dec 11, 2001 @ 01:37 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5065. Re: More holes in the world EEZ
      ... i think it would be a stopper for prescott & other normal minded people but for committed mosaic finishers & others requiring best available truth even if
      Dec 11, 2001 @ 02:18 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5066. Re: An Indian Ocean high seas enclave
      ... thanx orc@orcoast.com ... well whatever the ultimate fallout i salute you for taking it to these clearly olympian limits ... an extremely evocative class
      Dec 11, 2001 @ 03:00 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5067. Steinstuecken enclave in an exclave
      I ve seen discussions here previously about the verticality of borders, and have attached an interesting map I received from the office of the Berlin Senate
      Dec 10, 2001 @ 23:06 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@home.com>)
5068. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Steinstuecken enclave in an exclave
      Is someone in ... This is a good question. There is also a bridge over the tracks just below Monschau station further north of your map. I would assume that
      Dec 11, 2001 @ 04:22 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
5069. Re: substandard dutch territorial sea in question
      ... i do believe some territorial waters are equal in sovereignty to dry territory because i believe the actual transition between limited & unlimited
      Dec 11, 2001 @ 05:08 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5070. Re: oldest purely 'fiat' international boundary?
      ... indeed our improbable search for it or them in australia is documented in messages 1590 1650 1675 1712 1721 1736 & especially 1769 & 1779 where we are left
      Dec 11, 2001 @ 05:59 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5071. Re: Info on Sonora Chihuahua state border in Mexico needed
      andy good luck with this difficult search is all i can say unless you can deal with metadata in which case perhaps
      Dec 11, 2001 @ 07:28 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5072. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Steinstuecken enclave in an exclave
      ... Yes, this is a very interesting question! I d appreciate any information on this matter. The matter of East German exclaves within West Berlin has more
      Dec 11, 2001 @ 08:06 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <blofeld_es@...>)
5073. real & virtual tricountry visits to date
      message numbers are generally for the first or best pic or link & please do add or improve on any you can first the 19 real visits & tries 3927 atchde 3927
      Dec 11, 2001 @ 09:58 - michael donner (michael donner <orc@...>)
5074. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Steinstuecken enclave in an exclave
      There were no exclaves created when Steinstucken was connected to the rest of West Berlin. I think an additional pene-exclave was created along with the two
      Dec 11, 2001 @ 17:08 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
5075. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Steinstuecken enclave in an exclave
      arif, akin to the penn station comment.... my grandmother used to live in west new york, new jersey....say what? only years later have i come to appreciate
      Dec 11, 2001 @ 17:14 - Beckett, Bob ("Beckett, Bob" <Bob.Beckett@...>)
5076. Re: Steinstuecken enclave in an exclave
      My theory (cf. msg. 3255) is that the Rote Bruecke was part of the GDR, but exclusively used by the West Berliners (and because of that probably securely
      Dec 11, 2001 @ 17:29 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5077. Re: Steinstuecken enclave in an exclave
      I m not so sure that the triangle was handed over. The maps I got from the Berlin Senate, which were annotated by a participant in the negotiations, I believe
      Dec 11, 2001 @ 18:50 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
5078. Re: Steinstuecken enclave in an exclave
      ... (slivers ... the ... with ... couldn t ... I m not sure I follow, but I tell you what I think. I think that the Stahnsdorfer Strasse, between the Teltower
      Dec 11, 2001 @ 19:06 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5079. Another Berlin border anomaly
      Does someone know anything about the tiny piece of East Berlin on the west bank of the Schiffahrtskanal (the entrance to the Humboldthafen) and the north bank
      Dec 11, 2001 @ 19:21 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5080. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Another Berlin border anomaly
      Peter,   Could you put a scan of the area to the list, please?   Mats   ... From: ps1966nl [mailto:smaardijk@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001
      Dec 11, 2001 @ 21:17 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <blofeld_es@...>)
5081. Re: Another Berlin border anomaly
      You can see it on http://www.dailysoft.com/berlinwall/maps/berlinkarten_03.htm Peter S. ... the ... Humboldthafen) ... maps, ... swaps? ... outside ...
      Dec 11, 2001 @ 21:20 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5082. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Another Berlin border anomaly
      Attached another map, this time a scan of an old map that I have. The area concerned I have marked with an arrow. Peter S. ...
      Dec 11, 2001 @ 21:35 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
5083. Dutch provincial North sea
      Just to give Michael (and others) some idea of what I was referring to in msg. 5023. This is from the TDN provincial atlas of Zealand, made up of 1:50 000 topo
      Dec 11, 2001 @ 21:53 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
5084. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Dutch provincial North sea
      great peter thanx & glad to find you awake & will hold here at the library for response if any this map is just what i pictured & it is the 6km wide part you
      Dec 11, 2001 @ 22:30 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5085. self correction
      excuse me sir but you are mistaken about the right of innocent passage stopping at the 3nm line because it evidently extends all the way in to the coastal
      Dec 11, 2001 @ 23:36 - michael donner (michael donner <orc@...>)
5086. Re: self correction
      yes thank you you are right & thanx for being here m
      Dec 11, 2001 @ 23:32 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5087. "Pene-enclave"
      The word pene-enclave has on occasion been bandied within this group. It s a nice term and it does a job of work, but before I use it in the Wide World, can
      Dec 11, 2001 @ 23:53 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5088. Re: [BoundaryPoint] "Pene-enclave"
      It was defined by Robinson in the 50s, and again by Catudal in the 70s as a piece of territory, which while connected to its country, is most convenient to
      Dec 12, 2001 @ 02:15 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
5089. Re: "Pene-enclave"
      now that you mention it penenclave would seem less pedantic & more natural & easygoing than either pene enclave or peneenclave especially by association with
      Dec 12, 2001 @ 02:25 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5090. Book on Belgian boundaries, esp. Liege
      Here is a synopsis of a book by Sebastien Dubois, on Belgium s historical boundaries. While the abstract is in English and French, the book is only in French.
      Dec 12, 2001 @ 02:55 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
5091. Eiskeller
      I took a new look at my Berlin maps from the Senator for Bau and Wohnungswesen re: exclave territorial exchanges, and can confirm all of the small enclaves in
      Dec 12, 2001 @ 04:57 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
5092. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Eiskeller
      The maps aren t as good as Tommy Book s, but p104-5 of Catudal s A balance sheet of the quadripartite agreement on berlin, evaluation and documentation
      Dec 12, 2001 @ 06:31 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
5093. Boundary story from local paper
      Rape case right on the boundary It s the Frederiksberg police that at present investigate the resent rape case, where a 25 year old woman was raped in a
      Dec 12, 2001 @ 07:21 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5094. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Boundary story from local paper
      Ther murder case in the ealry 1970s that clarified the NSW/Vic boundary in Australia involved a murder where the butt of the rifle was in Victoria but the
      Dec 12, 2001 @ 07:38 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
5095. Re: Book on Belgian boundaries, esp. Liege
      ... whaa it is not only possible to conceive it distinctly but thats a real country i happen to be king of the most serene & fresh gnomedom barbaria maybe
      Dec 12, 2001 @ 07:49 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5096. reflections on the crosses old & new
      the growing likelihood that we live in a world of as many as 4 boundary crosses aka binational quadripoints rather than only the 2 we have been acknowledging
      Dec 12, 2001 @ 13:08 - michael donner (michael donner <orc@...>)
5097. Exclave inside Steinstuecken
      Re: the bridge and land under it at Steinstuecken, the Allied Kommandatura issued its concurrence with the agreement between the Berlin Senate and the GDR/DDR
      Dec 12, 2001 @ 17:00 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
5098. Re: Exclave inside Steinstuecken
      Great! I don t mind kicking my theory out of the window. So now the only two remaining possibilities (unless someone comes up with a new one) are: 1. A GDR
      Dec 12, 2001 @ 17:19 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5099. Re: Exclave inside Steinstuecken
      (...)sowie die von diesem Gebietstreifen vor Steinstuecken nach Westen abzweigende Strasse bis zur westlichen Strassengrenze der Teltower Strasse in der Breite
      Dec 12, 2001 @ 17:28 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5100. Re: Exclave inside Steinstuecken
      (...)sowie die von diesem Gebietstreifen vor Steinstuecken nach Westen abzweigende Strasse bis zur westlichen Strassengrenze der Teltower Strasse in der Breite
      Dec 12, 2001 @ 17:30 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5101. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Exclave inside Steinstuecken
      ... Len, Perhaps you could give some bibliographic reference to the treaty, such as ISBN- or LOC-number, if any, or the complete title, city of publishing,
      Dec 12, 2001 @ 18:07 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <blofeld_es@...>)
5102. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Another Berlin border anomaly
      Schiffahrtskanal was exchanged along with a few other pieces of territory in 1988 (I think - please confirm), only a year before East Germany fell. Another
      Dec 12, 2001 @ 18:18 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
5103. Re: Another Berlin border anomaly
      ... OK, thanks. ... The famous (or infamous) Lenne-triangle, you mean? By the way, all the exclaves ... Do you mean Albrechts Teerofen? Peter S.
      Dec 12, 2001 @ 18:22 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5104. Re: Another Berlin border anomaly
      Re your all the exclaves disappeared at the same time (as in 1988?) isn t quite true. I visited many of the exclaves after the DDR ceased to exist, and
      Dec 12, 2001 @ 18:49 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
5105. Fw: border pictures
      ... From: Boguslaw A. Tomaszewski To: jesniel@image.dk Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 7:20 PM Subject: border pictures Dear Jesper I am glad to know you. I
      Dec 12, 2001 @ 19:13 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
5106. Re: +AFs-BoundaryPoint+AF0- Boundary story from local paper
      Another story form a local paper...... Read the story in Dutch at+ADs- http://www.assen.nl/asp/Nieuws/Nieuws.asp?nPageID+AD0-4115 Here is a brief translation
      Dec 12, 2001 @ 19:54 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
5107. Re: reflections on the crosses old & new
      ... collection of ... How can you tell if the boundaries cross? Is it by the numbering of the monuments? Because in general I find the notion of crossed
      Dec 12, 2001 @ 20:05 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5108. Re: reflections on the crosses old & new
      ... well you certainly may do all that & think all that & thus spare yourself the benefit &or deficit of the crosses & i confess i really do think of crosses
      Dec 12, 2001 @ 22:40 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5109. Re: reflections on the crosses old & new
      ... Sorry. I m not being deliberately, serially perverse, even though it may seem that way. I was just wondering if there was a reason you felt some borders
      Dec 13, 2001 @ 00:08 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5110. Re: "Pene-enclave"
      ... Ah, good job I asked. As described by Brendan it s a functional rather than topological definition. So it would include *some* peninsula-like features, but
      Dec 13, 2001 @ 00:14 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5111. Re: Exclave inside Steinstuecken
      For Mats - All the matters relating to Berlin s borders, even during the occupation period, appear in the Gesetz- und Verordnungsblatt für Berlin The item
      Dec 13, 2001 @ 00:53 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
5112. Dubrovnik Exclave of Croatia
      Does anybody have any details of the sea borders off the coast of Neum, Bosnia, that would make Dubrovnik NOT a detached piece Croatia on the Adriatic coast?
      Dec 13, 2001 @ 04:26 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
5113. Re: Dubrovnik Exclave of Croatia
      ... no details have yet been reported here as to whether bosnia has in legal reality the right of innocent passage & thus unrestricted access to the high seas
      Dec 13, 2001 @ 05:54 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5114. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Dubrovnik Exclave of Croatia
      Here are some links to former messages to the subject: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/2590
      Dec 13, 2001 @ 07:00 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5115. Re: "Pene-enclave"
      ... yes indeed & i have always deferred & will continue to defer to both of you & to everyone else here in all discussions of functionality since my own
      Dec 13, 2001 @ 07:31 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5116. Re: reflections on the crosses old & new
      ... well it is all in good fun as well as perverse but i do really feel or at least would like to believe & so would maintain that all biquadrijunctions are
      Dec 13, 2001 @ 07:45 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5117. Re: Boundary story from local paper
      You re right. I saw that in a documental on TV. The topographers had to mark the exact border: the body layed less than 10 meters to the border. Marcel ...
      Dec 13, 2001 @ 08:59 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
5118. Borders and Currency
      Here s a news story about a place familiar to GCEBE ers... and everyone else... --Doug ... Overcrowded currency zone In central Europe where the local language
      Dec 13, 2001 @ 16:45 - Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com ("Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com" <dmurray@...>)
5119. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Boundary story from local paper
      Did the iceman have to show his imaginary passport when the glacier possibly carried his body across the imaginary boundary? Jack ... From:
      Dec 13, 2001 @ 17:21 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
5120. Re: Dubrovnik Exclave of Croatia
      And the last part of http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/2370 (disregard the idiotic subject line, the funniness of which was pointed out to me
      Dec 13, 2001 @ 17:29 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5121. Re: Fw: border pictures
      Impressive! Thanks Jesper (and Boguslaw of course - Dziekuje bardzo!!) So the tripoint that I reported (through Jesper, btw) way back in msg. 1465 is the old
      Dec 13, 2001 @ 17:40 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5122. Re: "Pene-enclave"
      ... Not mistaken at all: I was originally looking to use pene-enclave as a strictly topological designator (an enclave joined to the parent entity or another
      Dec 13, 2001 @ 18:03 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5123. Re: Fw: border pictures
      Another picture of the old tripoint monument: http://www.dab.katowice.pl/administrator/users/dipon/bpn/kre_lat2.jpg (on web page
      Dec 13, 2001 @ 18:05 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5124. Neum-Ploce agreement
      At http://www.bosnet.org/archive/bosnet.w3archive/9406/msg00009.html (scroll down, to AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE REPUBLIC OF CROATIA AND THE FEDERATION GRANTING THE
      Dec 13, 2001 @ 18:35 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5125. Re: Neum-Ploce agreement
      PRELIMINARY agreement I should have written (although it is probably not far from the actual one, judging from what I read about it). Peter S.
      Dec 13, 2001 @ 19:40 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5126. Re: "Pene-enclave"
      ... of ... as ... item ... And ... would ... the ... thanx & glad you like clavicle & i think clavicula is great too perhaps to be reserved for only the most
      Dec 13, 2001 @ 21:56 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5127. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: "Pene-enclave"
      I use the word singularity in my thesis, because they are unusual, and joined by only a single point, and because they rtepresent a magic moment : An ideal
      Dec 13, 2001 @ 23:52 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
5128. Extreme time zone boundary
      I was just looking at timezone boundaries and noticed this one: Crossing the narrow Afghan panhandle from Pakistan to Tajikistan, you go 1.5 hours back
      Dec 14, 2001 @ 06:48 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5129. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Extreme time zone boundary
      Jesper, Great idea, but we should bring along a metal detector to help avoid the land mines! Jack ... From: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen
      Dec 14, 2001 @ 13:51 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
5130. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: "Pene-enclave"
      reidsport oregon day 2 yesss perpetua haute prep is out for winter holiday so we pointed the binnacle again yesterday from rostah cay this time south &or east
      Dec 14, 2001 @ 18:54 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5131. Timezone tripoints
      International: Norway (1) - Finland (2) - Russia (3) Poland (1) - Lithuania (2) - Russia (3) Turkey (2) - Iraq (3) - Iran (3½) Turkey (2) - Iran (3½) -
      Dec 14, 2001 @ 19:43 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5132. Re: Extreme time zone boundary
      Or hire some local kids as guides. BJB ... you go 1.5 ... crossing again. ... hours forward. ... Expedition? ... http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
      Dec 15, 2001 @ 00:54 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
5133. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Timezone tripoints
      Jesper, Lithuania and Russia s Kaliningrad area are in the same Finno-Baltic timezone. But, Lithuania (and maybe Latvia and Estonia, too?) has no summertime.
      Dec 15, 2001 @ 09:33 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
5134. Re: [BoundaryPoint] "Pene-enclave"
      ... If we follow this definition, there is at least one other pene-exclave in Austria. It s the town of Hinterriss (or Hinterriß) to the northeast of
      Dec 15, 2001 @ 11:21 - Anton Florian Zeilinger ("Anton Florian Zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
5135. Re: [BoundaryPoint] "Pene-enclave"
      I found an easier way, try this link: http://www.austrianmap.at/tp.asp?s=2|-140381|261017|0 greetings, AZ ...
      Dec 15, 2001 @ 11:25 - Anton Florian Zeilinger ("Anton Florian Zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
5136. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Timezone tripoints
      Maybe my map is too old, I looked at a more recent one (but it s tiny), and there Kaliningrad goes with the other Baltics. Jesper ... From: Jan Krogh To:
      Dec 15, 2001 @ 13:22 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5137. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Eiskeller
      I found this article on the Berliner Zeitung site. It is from 30.9.1995 (I lost the URL. Sorry!). Good luck with the German. I ll try to translate it later if
      Dec 15, 2001 @ 14:03 - John Kelly ("John Kelly" <johnkelly@...>)
5138. Re: "Pene-enclave"
      Another pene-enclave exemple: Ós de Civís, in Spain, is only accessible by car through Andorra. See the map attached to this file. Marcel
      Dec 15, 2001 @ 16:14 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@navegalia.com>)
5139. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: "Pene-enclave"
      Some mini pene enclaves Imm032.jpg: Small Luxembourg pene enclave probably made by Belgium farmer to give his cows access to the stream. Just by the triline
      Dec 15, 2001 @ 17:16 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
5140. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: "Pene-enclave"
      Are these all cases where a fragment of one country touches the rest of that country at exactly and only one point, like Jungholz? I think that is what we seem
      Dec 15, 2001 @ 20:59 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
5141. Re: "Pene-enclave"
      ... that is ... That s what I thought, too. But Brendan s definitions show that established usage refers to an area that is joined to the parent country but
      Dec 15, 2001 @ 22:15 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5142. Daylight-saving enclaves
      The Palestinian territories in Israel briefly become daylight-saving enclaves in spring and autumn, since they change their clocks on different dates from
      Dec 15, 2001 @ 22:31 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5143. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: "Pene-enclave"
      garberville ca day 3 thanx grant & this is what else i would say about that the things robinson & catudal & most recently marcel at os de civis have been
      Dec 15, 2001 @ 23:11 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5144. Re: binational quadripoints
      ... please enjoy this revisit to the land of boundary crosses beginning with arifs probably first post above & running wildly thru mexican state boundaries &
      Dec 15, 2001 @ 23:53 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5145. Re: binational quadripoints
      in case you are probably wondering why i am sitting around the garberville library all this time while there is still a point needing to be made out there in
      Dec 16, 2001 @ 00:31 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5147. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: World 200nm EEZ survey
      Are you familiar with the State Department s Limits in the Seas, No. 36, which lists national maritime claims (updated 2000 edition 9)? I will be able to send
      Dec 16, 2001 @ 17:31 - Ray Milefsky ("Ray Milefsky" <mrrayj@...>)
5148. Re: World 200nm EEZ survey
      ... will be ... whole ... 1960s-70s) is ... I m not familiar with it, but am already dreaming of becoming so. Thanks in advance. Grant
      Dec 16, 2001 @ 17:44 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5149. posthaste
      day 4 garberville class a class a but this is a pay computer so i will only be brief enough to nominate the following for class d visit of the year atchde
      Dec 16, 2001 @ 22:41 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5150. Re: Dutch provincial North sea
      In a document about the Dutch plans of building an artificial island in the North Sea to build a new airport on (a plan that, to my best knowledge, has already
      Dec 16, 2001 @ 23:41 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5151. Re: Dutch provincial North sea
      ... Low low water is the lower of the two daily tides (most places, most of the time, the two tides differ in height). Low low water spring is the same measure
      Dec 17, 2001 @ 15:38 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5152. Re: Dutch provincial North sea
      ... most of the time, the two tides differ in height). Low low water spring is the same measure applied to the spring tide - the lowest/highest tide of the
      Dec 17, 2001 @ 17:16 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5153. Re: Dutch provincial North sea
      ... Even if sea level has risen, it ll still fall just as dramatically on that day - 30 or 40% lower than the usual spring tide levels. I can imagine the
      Dec 17, 2001 @ 19:20 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5154. The euro in Kleinwalsertal
      For those of you who read German, the following article on the introduction of the euro currency in the Austrian enclave of Kleinwalsertal. The euro will
      Dec 17, 2001 @ 19:29 - Pepijn Hendriks ("Pepijn Hendriks" <pepijnh@...>)
5155. Re: Dutch provincial North sea
      Grant Hutchison wrote: Even if sea level has risen, it ll still fall just as dramatically on that day - 30 or 40% lower than the usual spring tide levels. I
      Dec 17, 2001 @ 20:15 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5156. a grandstand play in the point arena etc
      point arena ca day 5 the name of this town fairly commanded a special bp stop to me by suggesting as it does so vividly a trypointing stadium or theater where
      Dec 17, 2001 @ 20:31 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5157. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Dutch provincial North sea
      Some notes on LLWS, don t waste your time reading this! This is the exact definition of LLWS: LLWS LaagLaagWaterSpring dient als basis voor reductievlakken van
      Dec 17, 2001 @ 21:12 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
5158. Re: Dutch provincial North sea
      Which brings us to the relativity of highest and lowest points (we re pointing aren t we?). In the Netherlands, NAP is used, and in Germany it is NN. But the
      Dec 17, 2001 @ 21:30 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5159. Re: Dutch provincial North sea
      ... Yes, the Belgian IGN 1:50000 maps carry a legend stating: Foreign heights should be increased by about two metres in order to adjust them to the belgian
      Dec 17, 2001 @ 22:32 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5160. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Dutch provincial North sea
      The oceans are not flat. There is a hollow of sea in the Bay of Bengal which is about 100m lower than theoceans in other places. One must also take into
      Dec 18, 2001 @ 00:02 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
5161. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Dutch provincial North sea
      The terms in English are mean high (or low) water springs , or MHWS Property rights end at mean high water springs, so even if someone owns a beach, you can
      Dec 18, 2001 @ 00:08 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
5162. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Dutch provincial North sea
      ... yes i agree & from point reyes now specially for the kings of pointing but the high points & low points of any given country or state etc arent likely to
      Dec 18, 2001 @ 00:41 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5163. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Dutch provincial North sea
      ... ok harry i wasted a little but it was worth it & anyway i have been meaning to ask you about your nearly completed er what shall i call it er your rainbow
      Dec 18, 2001 @ 00:56 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5164. Re: Dutch provincial North sea
      ... country in its ... But the recent GPS measurements just slice right through all that - they re measured on top of Everest relative to the GRS80 ellipsoid,
      Dec 18, 2001 @ 01:00 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5165. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Dutch provincial North sea
      ... yeah right thanx do you mean my ice pick off to climb a real mountain i hope for a termegapt m
      Dec 18, 2001 @ 01:02 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5166. Re: Dutch provincial North sea
      ... No, no, no. That s an ice-*axe*. An ice-pick is the pointy thing you use to break ice for drinks. The security folk at London Heathrow once noticed that my
      Dec 18, 2001 @ 01:18 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5167. Re: Dutch provincial North sea
      ... years. ... Both ... perfect i am heading for mt boardman btw with just a jug of old crow i think unless it is glaciated elevation 3593 thats feet m
      Dec 18, 2001 @ 01:44 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5168. Re: The euro in Kleinwalsertal
      Very interesting article, presumably applicable also to Jungholz. What will not change, at least right now, is the postal situation - domestic postage rates
      Dec 18, 2001 @ 04:46 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
5169. Re: Dutch provincial North sea
      ... etc arent likely to change as a result of some confusion of datums so i would think this whole matter is basically an excursion
      Dec 18, 2001 @ 18:13 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5170. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Dutch provincial North sea
      ... what ... I have been there on many occasions, on one day circling the border, but did not find a place to leave the motorway and approach the point from
      Dec 18, 2001 @ 19:51 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
5171. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Dutch provincial North sea
      ... east san jose ca day 6 thank you dear peter & all for i am on a timed computer & in the maws of hi tech to reboot but in a nutshell alsasast was a world
      Dec 18, 2001 @ 22:55 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5172. alsasast concluded etc
      half moon bay ca day 7 harry i think your first comprehensive extremity tour or what i called rainbow try of nederland is complete even without a photo of nle
      Dec 19, 2001 @ 18:45 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5173. Andorra: webcams at the border!
      I found this site on Andorra and discovered they have webcams on the border. Webcam 2 = Frontera Espanyola Webcam 5 = Frontera Francesca.
      Dec 19, 2001 @ 23:24 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
5174. Re: alsasast concluded etc
      You must be having loads of fun, although it isn t all that clear from high up in the air http://bard.wr.usgs.gov/bard/coq/sanjose/mount_boardman/nw.coq Peter
      Dec 20, 2001 @ 21:26 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5175. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Andorra: webcams at the border!
      ... They are there, but you ll just have to look better :-) See e.g. . Admittedly, I know of no
      Dec 21, 2001 @ 13:31 - Pepijn Hendriks ("Pepijn Hendriks" <pepijnh@...>)
5176. African borders
      You probably wonder where I am? Here is a clue: S33º55.284 E18º53.176. Well I ve bough a few African atlases. A 1:3500000 and a 1:1500000 (S+E Africa). Not
      Dec 21, 2001 @ 14:42 - jesniel ("jesniel" <jesniel@...>)
5177. Re: [BoundaryPoint] African borders
      cambria ca day 9 yesss jesper good to get a fresh field report & thanx peter for mt boardman but i will have to try again from next library our caravan resumed
      Dec 21, 2001 @ 18:30 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5178. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Andorra: webcams at the border!
      ... some day maybe we will have one on every tripoint m _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail
      Dec 21, 2001 @ 18:42 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5179. Re: alsasast concluded etc
      los osos ca later the same day well that is finally clear now peter & thanx again it is better than i did from the ground too from the topo i can see boardman
      Dec 21, 2001 @ 22:08 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5180. MN-ND-SD Theory
      After reading the BUS&SS section entitled How Boundaries Are Established and Changed (BUS&SS, p. 3), I have a theory that solves the conflict between the
      Dec 26, 2001 @ 15:46 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
5181. mxus for xmus
      gila bend az day 14 yes we visited the northernmost point of mexico mxn yesterday morning aka the arizona bajacalifornia california binational tristate point
      Dec 26, 2001 @ 18:27 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5182. Re: [BoundaryPoint] mxus for xmus
      Very nice indeed Michael! Any photos possibly forthcoming? Bill
      Dec 26, 2001 @ 22:03 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
5183. Re: [BoundaryPoint] mxus for xmus
      ... thanx amigo of course we will have to go back some day with film in the camera so it is sort of like the lost floating monument of nogales i guess & the
      Dec 27, 2001 @ 00:06 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5184. Re: [BoundaryPoint] mxus for xmus
      I ll look forward to it Michael. I passed through the Yuma area a couple of years ago, but regret that I didn t catch The Wall... Bill
      Dec 27, 2001 @ 03:05 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
5185. Re: mxus for xmus
      Michael, if you re still in the general Yuma area, there s a point where it appears that mxus is very close to the interstate highway (I- 10). (I believe it s
      Dec 27, 2001 @ 15:06 - bumpa50_1999 ("bumpa50_1999" <hanrahan@...>)
5186. Re: mxus for xmus
      m donner wrote: best sign so far read new cuyama california population 562 elevation 2150 founded 1951 total 4663 As can be seen here:
      Dec 27, 2001 @ 17:48 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5187. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: mxus for xmus
      hahaha you are such a sharpshooter peter well at least i got the numbers right m ... _________________________________________________________________ MSN
      Dec 28, 2001 @ 19:21 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5188. Re: mxus for xmus
      ... Yes, a particularly amazing find. How did you track it down, Peter? Grant
      Dec 28, 2001 @ 19:31 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5189. Re: mxus for xmus
      ... Type in New Cuyama sign at Google. No big deal really. Here you can see it better (and some other strange things):
      Dec 28, 2001 @ 19:38 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5190. Re: [BoundaryPoint] mxus for xmus
      nogales az & this place was named for wall nuts we got here by a very circuitous back country route including why az lukeville quitobaquito sasabe arivaca pena
      Dec 28, 2001 @ 19:47 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5191. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: mxus for xmus
      woody schlom to the contrary notwithstanding the whole cuyama valley including new cuyama struck me as a very cool place to hang out for about 24 hours en
      Dec 28, 2001 @ 20:02 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5192. Euro in North America
      Forgot about this anomaly: St. Pierre and Miquelon Located south of Newfoundland and Labrador, St. Pierre and Miquelon is a tiny Euro Zone nestled in Canada.
      Dec 29, 2001 @ 02:07 - Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com ("Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com" <dmurray@...>)
5193. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Euro in North America
      Hi, I found an interesting page about colonies where the euro will be legal tender: http://www.geocities.com/eurocoin2003/misc/colonies.html I would guess that
      Dec 29, 2001 @ 11:13 - Anton Florian Zeilinger ("Anton Florian Zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
5195. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Euro in North America
      The furthest place on earth that will use the euro will likely be the French island Reunion in the Indian Ocean.French Polynesia has its own currency. ...
      Dec 29, 2001 @ 18:23 - Doug Palmer (Doug Palmer <canadianman2001@...>)
5196. morning mumbles
      deming nm roused 6 times last night by rogue yanko border guards tho we were sleeping 7 miles from the border all these extra guys working overtime for 3
      Dec 29, 2001 @ 18:27 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5197. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Euro in North America
      or maybe it will be the tohono o odham if ireland is included m ... _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s
      Dec 29, 2001 @ 18:41 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5198. Re: Euro in North America
      I think Kerguelen and the other islands of the French Antarctic Territory are further from the southernmost Euroland than Reunion. There are also the French
      Dec 30, 2001 @ 02:01 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
5199. Cape Agulhas
      Merry Christmas and Happy New Year from the southern part of our globe. Have you every tried to discover an interesting geograpic feature - in our cases
      Dec 30, 2001 @ 17:49 - jesniel ("jesniel" <jesniel@...>)
5200. staggering coincidences
      las cruces nm yes & in full appreciation of these fine crosshairs split by jespers report down to 00 00 000 & our own recent wall nuts my present crossroads
      Dec 30, 2001 @ 20:39 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5201. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cape Agulhas
      Thanks Jesperson, for this great story from this (our first wet?) tripoint - anyhow, I m a little dis- appointed because of your fears of reaching the actual
      Dec 30, 2001 @ 21:09 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
5202. staggering coincidences
      testing with apologies for apparently lost text m _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and
      Dec 30, 2001 @ 21:05 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5203. Re: Cape Agulhas
      ... point of ... And there s more. The name is Portuguese, meaning Cape of the Needles, so I always presumed there must be some needle-shaped rocks in the
      Dec 30, 2001 @ 23:18 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5204. cnkpru again
      An enlargement of the map I already mentioned in msg. 4770 can be found at http://www.vld.ru/ppx/Filatov_yu/Hasan.htm Following talks between Russia and China,
      Dec 31, 2001 @ 17:02 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5205. txwn & txw & chnmtx visited
      el paso tx since bus&ss itself calls the nw corner of the north tx panhandle txnw & since txw has proved to be a different point than txwn i took the liberty
      Dec 31, 2001 @ 18:00 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5206. Re: cnkpru again
      From http://asiapacific.narod.ru/countries/koreas/border_regulation.htm : The search for the point where the state boundaries of Russia, the People s
      Dec 31, 2001 @ 19:33 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5207. azbcso tripoint
      Michael, Excuse my delay in posting this message which relates to your day 14 report. We were in Kansas for Christmas and I didn t have the attached picture
      Jan 01, 2002 @ 15:57 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@northnet.org>)
5208. Happy New Year to all BP members!
      Happy New Year! Peter Hering
      Jan 01, 2002 @ 17:50 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
5209. Report on Wlodawa visit
      I promised in message #4767 to post to the list any pictures of interest from my visit to W³odawa (Wlodawa), near the PlByUa tripoint. At the tourist office
      Jan 02, 2002 @ 16:21 - Pepijn Hendriks ("Pepijn Hendriks" <pepijnh@bigfoot.com>)
5210. Re: Report on Wlodawa visit
      Pepijn Hendriks wrote: (...) At the tourist office in Lublin, I ve found topographical maps (1:100,000) of the area. A scan of the border at W³odawa and the
      Jan 02, 2002 @ 20:41 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5211. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Report on Wlodawa visit
      ... The dash-dot line sometimes switches sides and can be seen on both the west and the east banks of the river. No way of finding out why withough more
      Jan 02, 2002 @ 21:37 - Pepijn Hendriks ("Pepijn Hendriks" <pepijnh@...>)
5212. Re: Report on Wlodawa visit
      Pepijn Hendriks wrote: (...) it doesn t explain why they would have left out the number of the border marker. There are more boundary markers without a number
      Jan 02, 2002 @ 23:10 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5213. Re: [BoundaryPoint] azbcso tripoint
      ... sanderson tx thanx jack so of course you have preceded me here at azbcso too as well as trumped my class c visit since i would call your visit class b or
      Jan 02, 2002 @ 23:37 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5214. India-Pakistan Border Story (NY Times - Jan 2 02)
      January 2, 2002 With Wrath and Wire, India Builds a Great Wall By SOMINI SENGUPTA URSERY BORDER SECURITY FORCE POST, Jammu and Kashmir, Jan. 1 - The partition
      Jan 03, 2002 @ 03:52 - Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com ("Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com" <dmurray@stockphotosonline.com>)
5215. Another French map of Tp AdFrEsEast
      Just found a French topomap on the bottom of one of my draws - carte de France 1:50.000 - Feuille XXI-49 Fontargente - Edition 5 - from Oct. 1968. (see
      Jan 03, 2002 @ 09:03 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
5216. Inner Cyprus bordersign in Nicosia
      Hello folks, just read an interesting article on the Cyprus question... The division of Cyprus might become a very difficult issue for the EU when - and if -
      Jan 03, 2002 @ 09:08 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
5217. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Another French map of Tp AdFrEsEast
      Peter, thanks a lot for your scan. Could you perhaps make a more precise scan of the tripoint-area, the one you attached is rather vague. By the way, I can t
      Jan 03, 2002 @ 10:10 - Eef Berns ("Eef Berns" <eefberns@...>)
5218. Re: "Living Islands"
      The reason to pick up this almost prehistoric BP message, is that I just (a couple of minutes ago) heard the mayor of Schiermonnikoog on Dutch radio, saying
      Jan 03, 2002 @ 17:36 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5219. Re: India-Pakistan Border Story (NY Times - Jan 2 02)
      carrizo springs tx doug & others submitting clips or links could you say what it is you like about this story or why you are wishing to share it with us here
      Jan 03, 2002 @ 17:51 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5220. nutatx & conutx
      ... yikes its worse than i thought usgs gives conutx but not nutatx moreover the usgs conutx is a couple of miles from the otherwise more credible rand mcnally
      Jan 03, 2002 @ 18:07 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5221. Re: nutatx & conutx & chnmso
      ... looks ... more ... but now i also see that usgs gives chnmso at about the same place as rand mcnally gives it or about 5 miles west of the continental
      Jan 03, 2002 @ 18:25 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5222. Re: Another French map of Tp AdFrEsEast
      By the way, I have remembered my message number 3968. Can anybody open this file? Perhaps it would give us more information about the adesfre tripoints. Thanks
      Jan 03, 2002 @ 19:55 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
5223. Re: nutatx & conutx & chnmso
      still carrizo springs was feeling unsatisfied after finishing with the local library & these recent posts so i continued to scratch around this small town for
      Jan 03, 2002 @ 20:04 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5224. Colon, Panama enclaved in former Canal Zone
      Does anyone have any relatively detailed map of the Panamanian town of Colon, when it was surrounded by the Canal Zone? I heard but can t confirm that the
      Jan 04, 2002 @ 05:44 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
5225. Pepijn's report on tp area PlByUa
      Thanks Pepijn for your great report .. most interesting, I think, there are quite many of us looking forward to your final visit...- I hope there is some kind
      Jan 04, 2002 @ 06:41 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
5226. Re: Cape Agulhas
      Well, I have now bought a few 1:50 000 maps, of the ZA-tripoints, other parts of the borders and Cape Agulhas. And is Cape Agulgas = E20 = most southern point
      Jan 04, 2002 @ 07:51 - jesniel ("jesniel" <jesniel@...>)
5227. Re: African borders
      Giving up for an international or provinsial South African tp, I decided for a minucipal - perhaps the very first attempt by a freak. My wife has a friend
      Jan 04, 2002 @ 08:01 - jesniel ("jesniel" <jesniel@...>)
5228. Another scan of Tp-map AdEsFr E
      Attached there s another scan of the above mentioned tp - hopefully more useful than the last one... Peter H.
      Jan 04, 2002 @ 11:03 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
5229. Re: Inner Cyprus bordersign in Nicosia
      ... I wish a sign like this existed when and where my family and I accidently (and illegally) crossed the border from the Republic of Cyprus to the Turkish
      Jan 04, 2002 @ 15:14 - shocktm ("shocktm" <andrew@...>)
5230. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Inner Cyprus bordersign in Nicosia
      ... laredo tx well andrew we are zero legal by car so far & all several illegal but i think we may soon be making our first legal auto crossing into mexico
      Jan 04, 2002 @ 18:16 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5231. Re: African borders
      Looks like just north of exit 39 of the N1 motorway (junction with R304). http://www.demarcation.org.za/demarcprocess/wards/ver3e/jpg/10204003.j pg (north of
      Jan 04, 2002 @ 19:57 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5232. Nice border pictures
      Just some nice pictures of the Pakistani-Chinese border at the Khunjerab pass. From the site of a Polish cyclist that traveled the Karakoram Highway (
      Jan 05, 2002 @ 00:47 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5233. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Colon, Panama enclaved in former Canal Zone
      Len, I am close to being an expert on the subject of Colon and I have already wrote a few previous e-mails on the subject to the list. I am aware of the
      Jan 05, 2002 @ 02:41 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@yahoo.com>)
5234. Re: Another scan of Tp-map AdEsFr E
      Tripoint marker placed: http://www.fam.ad/eurorando/007.htm . This is the monument mentioned by Marcel in msg. 3528. Peter S.
      Jan 05, 2002 @ 14:14 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5235. Baarle translation needed
      Greetings dutch speaking boundarypointers! I have managed to translate all but a few sentences of the original Baarle communal minute of the 1830/40s
      Jan 06, 2002 @ 02:31 - amcirclevp ("amcirclevp" <b.whyte@...>)
5236. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Euro in North America
      Reunion uses the French franc as it is a department of France.The French southern Indian Ocean islands are uninhabited.the Pacific Islands have thier own
      Jan 06, 2002 @ 05:57 - Doug Palmer (Doug Palmer <canadianman2001@...>)
5237. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Tp-map AdEsFr E !
      Conc. position of tp AdEsFr East. Thanks,Peter S., for your comments and the reference to Marcel s message 3528. Even people from Andorra seem to regard this
      Jan 06, 2002 @ 06:25 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
5238. Re: Euro in North America
      Doug Palmer wrote: (...) The French southern Indian Ocean islands are ... No, there are people living there. E.g. on Kerguelen, in the capital
      Jan 06, 2002 @ 13:30 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5239. Re: Euro in North America
      Peter S. wrote: Has someone already seen TAAF stamps with euro denominations? Peter S. answers: http://www.chez.com/philateliedestaaf/HTML/2002Prog.htm
      Jan 06, 2002 @ 14:24 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5240. adesfr: more pics
      I ve attached new pics from the Andorran tripoints , from www.icc.es ( Institut Cartogràfic de Catalunya ) Adesfrw1: Pic de Medacorba. Ortophoto 1:5.000
      Jan 06, 2002 @ 14:25 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@navegalia.com>)
5241. Re: Euro in North America
      And some other info: http://www.transpolair.com/info_actu/2001/euro1.htm Peter S.
      Jan 06, 2002 @ 14:29 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5242. Re: [BoundaryPoint] adesfr: more pics
      Marcel, Peter en Peter, thanks for the pics & links. My comments: 1. regarding the French maps: I found another 1:50.000 map (Pyrénées carte no8, 4th ed.
      Jan 06, 2002 @ 18:29 - Eef Berns ("Eef Berns" <eefberns@dds.nl>)
5243. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: African borders
      corpus christi tx peter i am not getting this link here but if you bagged that point on the web as i surmise you have then you are the ultimate maestro of that
      Jan 06, 2002 @ 21:37 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5244. Re: Tp-map AdEsFr E !
      good point peter & some of even us at bp have been breathing normally at pb since as early as message 3959 which reminds me i neglected to report last week
      Jan 06, 2002 @ 22:05 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5245. Jones Point in DC ca 1830 (Map)
      On New Year s Eve, walking through old town Alexandria, I came across an antique shop selling a map of Alexandria from the 1830s, when parts of the town were
      Jan 06, 2002 @ 22:48 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@home.com>)
5246. Re: African borders
      Peter - thank you Your map is a as good as mine. The borders in the Cape Town Street Guide is definately wrong, as I checked it again this morning. I have
      Jan 07, 2002 @ 09:07 - jesniel ("jesniel" <jesniel@...>)
5247. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: African borders
      Jesper! Have a safe trip home... can t wait to see pictures/hear stories. And, plan the GEEBE! Cheers! Doug ... From: jesniel To:
      Jan 07, 2002 @ 17:13 - Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com ("Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com" <dmurray@...>)
5248. Pagiriai revisited
      A nice collection of Soviet topo maps of Lithuania (only the southern half up to now) at http://zukle.techas.lt/start.html (choose Lietuvos Þemëlapis). A.o.
      Jan 07, 2002 @ 19:22 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5249. mxus eastern end
      Can someone please explain the difference in the location of the mxus border at the mouth of the Rio Grande on topozone 1:50k vs. 1:100k? I knew that the
      Jan 07, 2002 @ 19:59 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5250. Re: mxus eastern end
      Sadly, there isn t much for the border anymore to follow anyway... A few sticks in that sand , now what sort of border is that?
      Jan 08, 2002 @ 19:38 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5251. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: African borders
      This is the R304 looking south. This means Drakenstein is left. Right is Cape Town and in the other side of the exit is Cape Town. Or at least that is my best
      Jan 08, 2002 @ 19:48 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
5252. Just want to share African speed limits when they are worst
      
      Jan 08, 2002 @ 19:50 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
5253. Re: mxus eastern end
      winnie tx peter happily it has rained a lot since then especially in the conchos watershed & tho i didnt revisit continental txse at boca chica this time i
      Jan 08, 2002 @ 22:24 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5254. Re: Jones Point in DC ca 1830 (Map)
      nice find len it is nice to realize that jones point once actually had a point & that its distinctive finger shape may have been just what beckoned geo
      Jan 08, 2002 @ 22:31 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5255. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: mxus eastern end
      Another interesting location near the mouth of the Rio Grande is visible in Peter s Topozone url below. Notice the 1/2 mile long oxbow lake about 2 1/2 miles
      Jan 09, 2002 @ 03:48 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
5256. Lowest point in Germany
      Apparently not the East-Frisian Freepsum, but near the village of Neuendorf. And they don t like it that these East-Frisians consider their -2.30 m lower than
      Jan 09, 2002 @ 18:24 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5257. quintiabbeville etc
      abbeville la strange but true there are only 5 abbevilles of any importance in the usa but for some reason they are all quaint historic charming little towns &
      Jan 09, 2002 @ 19:13 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5258. Re: [BoundaryPoint] quintiabbeville etc
      ... never mind i just found it in lake pontchartrain m _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your
      Jan 09, 2002 @ 19:31 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5259. Re: quintiabbeville etc
      You could always visit that quintiarea at http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=15&n=3392043&e=661386&s=25&size=m . Especially that strange Pointe Coupee/West
      Jan 09, 2002 @ 22:25 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5260. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: quintiabbeville etc
      When you ask Michael to fix a buoy in the lake, you don t know what you re in for! Bill ... From: ps1966nl To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday,
      Jan 09, 2002 @ 23:02 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
5261. Prevlaka
      Danish news had a small note on Serbia + Croatia settling their border on the Prevlaka peninsula, but I havent been able to find further information. Does
      Jan 10, 2002 @ 06:16 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5262. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: quintiabbeville etc
      from jackson george regional library somewhere in mississippi ... right but guys if we do pontchartrain immediately then we are bound to do the great salt lake
      Jan 10, 2002 @ 17:04 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5263. Tp area DeFrLu - info
      Hello folks, attached pls find a sketch of the above mentioned tripoint area - one of the most interesting areas in Europe, because of the triline that
      Jan 11, 2002 @ 09:07 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
5264. Re: Tp area DeFrLu - info
      Is it then a tri/bi-point? Jesper
      Jan 11, 2002 @ 09:07 - jesniel ("jesniel" <jesniel@...>)
5265. Independence declared by villages along the Kazakh-Uzbek border. (long)
      Here is a quote from RFE/RL Central Asia Report. Anyone know of any flag? Do any of you BoundaryPoint-people have detailed map(s)? RADIO FREE EUROPE/RADIO
      Jan 11, 2002 @ 14:27 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
5266. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Tp area DeFrLu - info
      gulf breeze fl nice sketch peter & nice question jesper we have been using the word triline for bedelu since message 297 & have been applying it to defrlu
      Jan 11, 2002 @ 17:28 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5267. flws & alflus
      visited the dry flws point yesterday at perdido key beach btw here again just as with the texas semicardinal extremities it is necessary to distinguish flws
      Jan 11, 2002 @ 18:01 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5268. Re: flws & alflus
      m donner wrote: (...) then photographed alflus 3nm due south or rather sw00d01m from dry flws (...) Don t forget to adjust your watch when passing through Gulf
      Jan 11, 2002 @ 21:48 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5269. Re: Independence declared by villages along the Kazakh-Uzbek border. (long)
      destin fl thanx christian for this fascinating report & a belated but sincere wave of welcome to you our only known resident vexillologist & thanx also to
      Jan 12, 2002 @ 17:48 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5270. greconym for boundary specialist?
      Thanks for jogging my memory on vexillogist. Is anyone in our vast audience aware of a similar greconym for boundary specialist ? Would look great on my
      Jan 13, 2002 @ 12:23 - Ray Milefsky ("Ray Milefsky" <mrrayj@...>)
5271. Re: greconym for boundary specialist?
      Vexillology, not vexillogy. This last word is a result of haplology, which should logically be called haplogy, but that is haphazard logic , I believe...
      Jan 13, 2002 @ 14:05 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5272. Re: greconym for boundary specialist?
      ... You could always make one up - everyone else does. Vexillology is a mixture of Latin and Greek, which some folk disapprove of. But by analogy you could
      Jan 13, 2002 @ 19:50 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5273. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: greconym for boundary specialist?
      gainesville fl ray & peter you hit upon several fascinating logological questions here which i will enjoy with you some more as soon as i can do the necessary
      Jan 13, 2002 @ 20:41 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5274. Re: greconym for boundary specialist?
      well i am glad you did beat me to it grant for it is good to hear from you & of course us punctologists dont mind mixing latin & greek & really must do so here
      Jan 13, 2002 @ 21:38 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5275. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Independence declared by villages along the Kazakh-Uzbek border. (long)
      ... From: acroorca2002 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 6:48 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Independence declared by
      Jan 14, 2002 @ 10:37 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
5276. Re: greconym for boundary specialist?
      Whether you mix withlacoochi with choctawhatchee Or apalachicola with houstatonic It will end up piscataqua BJB ... will ... purposes of ... interesting ...
      Jan 14, 2002 @ 18:40 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
5277. Re: [BoundaryPoint] greconym for boundary specialist?
      Limologist? I think that is used for people who study boundaries... David
      Jan 14, 2002 @ 19:51 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
5278. free parking
      crystal river fl until further notice a regular migratory stop of ours you may recognize or rather we have finally reached upon our continental & indeed global
      Jan 14, 2002 @ 20:06 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5279. Re: greconym for boundary specialist?
      ... i also seem to recall having seen this word limologist somewhere or perhaps heard it in a bar to distinguish a particularly good sour mixologist but it
      Jan 14, 2002 @ 21:04 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5280. Re: greconym for boundary specialist?
      ... yes it certainly will & especially if some grecolatin cool cat drinks it no ordinary sour mixologist limologist here m ... i ... research ... with ...
      Jan 14, 2002 @ 21:14 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5281. Some other stuff from the Uzbek-Kazakh border
      The following is an English translation which I have made very quickly (so please ignore and/or forgive the crooked English) of a Russian text of legal act of
      Jan 14, 2002 @ 21:27 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5282. Re: greconym for boundary specialist?
      ... Are you guys thinking of limnologist? From Greek limne, a lake - someone who studies sedimentary processes etc in standing water. G
      Jan 15, 2002 @ 00:23 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5283. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Some other stuff from the Uzbek-Kazakh border
      Peter, How many languages can you speak/read/write? :) Only French and English for me. I wonder which BPer speaks/writes/reads the most? Brendan ...
      Jan 15, 2002 @ 04:24 - PitHokie (PitHokie <pithokie@...>)
5284. The GEEBE: New border expedition now a reality!
      Dear members of BoundaryPoint: inevitable ! After GCEBE s success last September there had to be some kind of continuation...! Here it is - the GEEBE - Great
      Jan 15, 2002 @ 09:19 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
5285. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
      Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File :
      Jan 15, 2002 @ 15:15 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com (BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com )
5286. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
      Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File :
      Jan 15, 2002 @ 15:19 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com (BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com )
5287. Re: The GEEBE: New border expedition now a reality!
      peter this makes me swoon i wash your feet baby m ... some kind of continuation...!
      Jan 15, 2002 @ 16:13 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5288. Re: Some other stuff from the Uzbek-Kazakh border
      ... i write the most but dont speak or read much m
      Jan 15, 2002 @ 16:15 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5289. Re: greconym for boundary specialist?
      ... i wasnt but am now m
      Jan 15, 2002 @ 16:17 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5290. Re: Some other stuff from the Uzbek-Kazakh border
      nice diggings peter along the same kzuz line christian brought in 5275 this place must be hott to have both easements & uneasements going on simultaneously
      Jan 15, 2002 @ 16:26 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5291. chdefr xrated report another bp first
      this is not a joke so if there are sensitive readers present please just skip this message now & go directly to bed but after the initial excitement of this
      Jan 15, 2002 @ 23:53 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5292. Re: chdefr xrated report another bp first
      Well, Mike - thanks for that - I must say - very special link.. You made me curious, of course , and I couldn t resist opening it - but, as you had warned us
      Jan 16, 2002 @ 11:11 - mafiapetedk ("mafiapetedk" <hering@...>)
5293. New poll for BoundaryPoint
      Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the BoundaryPoint group: Talk about crossing boundaries...! Somewhat off topic, but how many BP members
      Jan 16, 2002 @ 12:27 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com (BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com )
5294. Part of Noweigan-Finnish border to be redrawn
      I found the followning in today s Göteborgs-Posten (Swedish newspaper). As the article is in Swedish, I will do my best to translate it into English. (At the
      Jan 16, 2002 @ 14:56 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
5295. FW: an excerpt for boundary freaks
      
      Jan 16, 2002 @ 18:27 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
5296. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: chdefr xrated report another bp first
      thanx pete glad to hear from you & clearly that guy has all his priorities backwards here i spent the morning after the night before reading maritime boundary
      Jan 16, 2002 @ 19:41 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5297. Re: FW: an excerpt for boundary freaks
      ... nice & did she say what he answered m
      Jan 16, 2002 @ 21:32 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5298. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Part of Noweigan-Finnish border to be redrawn
      This article is quoting the following article http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/article.jhtml?articleID=258097 (Norwegian bokmål language only). The
      Jan 16, 2002 @ 21:35 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
5299. updated state of the maritime art
      the fascinating writings in this link given earlier today are actually 40 years old ... oops but digging further i also found
      Jan 16, 2002 @ 22:06 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5300. monty python at dinkum sands explained
      about that photo in ... according to http://www.gov.state.ak.us/press/pr062097.html it seems the alaskan in the pic was staking his states territorial sea
      Jan 16, 2002 @ 22:41 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5301. Updated webpage
      I know I did not update my webpage in a long time, but as my sister is home and her computer is here, I decided to update my page on her computer, especially
      Jan 17, 2002 @ 05:24 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@yahoo.com>)
5302. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Turkish exclave in Syria?
      Hi all, Someone indicated to me the existence of a Turkish exclave within Syria, located on the east bank of the River Euphrates, east of Membij, on the main
      Jan 17, 2002 @ 06:52 - rpalmber@abo.fi (rpalmber@...)
5303. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Turkish exclave in Syria?
      Now that s sisu if I ve ever heard it! Bill ... From: rpalmber@abo.fi To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 1:52 AM Subject: Re:
      Jan 17, 2002 @ 11:59 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
5304. Re: Updated webpage
      Arif Samad wrote: (...) By the way, another cool clickable site is http://www.gis.zh.ch/GISBrowser/gis-zh.htm# and this has good map of the Kloster Fahr
      Jan 17, 2002 @ 17:44 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5306. Re: Updated webpage
      thanxxx arif that was utterly staggering of you to feed us all that at one sitting especially after the long hiatus & the much smaller regular doses of times
      Jan 17, 2002 @ 19:28 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5307. Re: New poll for BoundaryPoint
      bill i know you werent looking for the discussion so much as the voting but i am frankly going to put off voting for as long as possible since i would like to
      Jan 17, 2002 @ 20:10 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5308. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: New poll for BoundaryPoint
      Michael, nothing would please me more than for you to be able to answer affirmatively! Becoming a U.S. ham is easier than one would think...check out
      Jan 17, 2002 @ 22:52 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
5309. new online legal supplement to bus&ss discovered
      for help in resolving many of the tackiest problems encountered when trying to determine tripoint & extremity geopositions that cannot be finally resolved from
      Jan 17, 2002 @ 23:34 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5310. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: New poll for BoundaryPoint
      ... understood & understood our safety must come first btw i dont know if i mentioned it at the time but i seem to recall a news item about a similar
      Jan 18, 2002 @ 00:25 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5311. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Turkish exclave in Syria?
      ...somebody else who want a North Norwegian island? Jan (Generous Norwegian) ... From: Bill Hanrahan [mailto:hanrahan@kua.net] Sent: 17. januar 2002 14.00 To:
      Jan 18, 2002 @ 09:47 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
5312. RE: [BoundaryPoint] N.Norwegian islands for free!
      Thanks mate, you re being very, very generous indeed...! I wouldn t mind getting an island in my garden- as long as it comes with a large portion of myseost
      Jan 18, 2002 @ 13:25 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
5313. GEEBE
      Peter Chefen har godkent GEEBE. Count me in as very likely. Jesper
      Jan 18, 2002 @ 15:43 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5314. Re: Updated webpage
      ... The Uruguayan islands surrounded by Argentinian waters near Fray Bentos provide more national fragments and perforations for my Perfs & Frags list: do you
      Jan 18, 2002 @ 19:26 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5315. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Turkish exclave in Syria?
      ... thanx jan & you are that so i will take one please too for some summer times & will call it rostah cay too if i may while for now jc & i are heading still
      Jan 18, 2002 @ 20:09 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5316. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Updated webpage
      On http://www.clearinghouse.gub.uy/ , there are some very nice maps. The islands Filomena and De la Palma o Bassi can be seen here. I have made a little
      Jan 18, 2002 @ 20:23 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
5317. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Part of Noweigan-Finnish border to be redrawn
      Thanks. Great to see the map! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Christian Berghänel Sweden christian.berghanel@swipnet.se ... From: Jan Krogh To:
      Jan 18, 2002 @ 20:27 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
5318. Re: Updated webpage
      More names: on http://www.chispazodetradicion.com.ar/la_linea_fronteriza_de_la_rep.ht m , these islands are mentioned: Filomena Grande, Filomena Chica, Paloma
      Jan 18, 2002 @ 20:38 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5319. Re: Updated webpage
      nice & so do you think there are 4 or 5 perfs or perhaps some other number & mightnt la palma & la paloma be a single confusion despite the apparent
      Jan 18, 2002 @ 20:58 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5320. Re: Updated webpage
      On the first web site, you can see four islands. By clicking on them, their names appear. The biggest one is Filomena. West of it, from north to south:
      Jan 18, 2002 @ 21:05 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5321. Re: Turkish exclave in Syria?
      ... This tomb was Turkish property under Article 9 of the 1921 Treaty of Ankara between Turkey and France: The mausoleum of Suleiman Shah, the grandfather of
      Jan 19, 2002 @ 00:58 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5322. Re: Updated webpage
      ... Many thanks for this - the maps on the Uruguayan site kept crashing Java on my machine, but with the image you posted and the above dissertation, I get the
      Jan 19, 2002 @ 01:16 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5323. Re: Turkish exclave in Syria?
      ... Well, actually, on re-reading, it says it was moved, but not necessarily by the Syrians. And this site, later again, implies that the tomb was moved by the
      Jan 19, 2002 @ 01:28 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5324. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: greconym for boundary specialist?
      Thanks, folks for the suggestions. I coined a neologism, which I think is accurate and all Greek, namely Synorologist. Synoro is a boundary, pillar, border.
      Jan 19, 2002 @ 03:22 - Ray Milefsky ("Ray Milefsky" <mrrayj@...>)
5325. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: greconym for boundary specialist?
      Confiniologist sounds rather kinky if you ask me! ... From: granthutchison [mailto:granthutchison@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 2:51 PM To:
      Jan 19, 2002 @ 03:47 - Ray Milefsky ("Ray Milefsky" <mrrayj@...>)
5326. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: greconym for boundary specialist?
      sounds great to me with or without the haplogy zzzzz m ... _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to
      Jan 19, 2002 @ 15:43 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5327. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Updated webpage
      ... to peters ... solid gold coin i agree but if you are looking toward the potentialities of perfs then the temporary or cyclical shrinkage of these 4 claves
      Jan 19, 2002 @ 16:01 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5328. Re: Turkish exclave in Syria?
      ... to ... then its a frag&perf isnt it & so how does your ongoing worldwide frag&perf census stand now with this & the new uruguayan islands added m also have
      Jan 19, 2002 @ 17:22 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5329. Re: Turkish exclave in Syria?
      ... Well, it seems more like one of Arif s virtual enclaves to me. The treaty wording is that the tomb will be the property of Turkey, and Turkey will place
      Jan 19, 2002 @ 21:40 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5330. Re: Turkish exclave in Syria?
      ... That s *193* basic nations. (Gad, these typos are easy to commit, aren t they?) Grant
      Jan 20, 2002 @ 00:26 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5331. Re: Turkish exclave in Syria? -> mdua border changes
      Grant Hutchison: (...)I always think I m looking complete, but I never am. I just try to update the Perfs & Frags file whenever anything new comes along. Ray
      Jan 20, 2002 @ 12:44 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5332. Re: mdua border changes
      Cf. http://www.rferl.org/newsline/2001/07/130701.asp : MOLDOVA, UKRAINE, APPROVE ACCORD ON SWAPPING TERRITORIES The parliaments of Moldova and Ukraine on 12
      Jan 20, 2002 @ 12:57 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5333. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: mdua border changes
      I cannot spot the Moldovan part of the highway, was is handed over much earlier than my maps. The other swop along the Danube, could very well have moved the
      Jan 20, 2002 @ 13:14 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5334. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: mdua border changes
      Attached, three fragments of my 1994 Moldavian map (1:400k): 1. Palanca 2. Giurgiulesti. I agree that the tripoint has probably moved since. 3. Basarabeasca.
      Jan 20, 2002 @ 14:04 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
5335. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: mdua border changes
      Thanks Peter It s actually a very interesting area, and it reaises my interesting questions and points: This 2001 map also show the Moldovian part of the
      Jan 20, 2002 @ 14:12 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5336. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: mdua border changes
      Jesper Nielsen wrote: (...)This 2001 map also show the Moldovian part of the highway: http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/commonwealth/moldova_pol01.jpg Was it
      Jan 20, 2002 @ 14:26 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
5337. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: mdua border changes
      That map is great. The new border must go in between Palanca and A290. It would be great to get hold of a new map. The other side of A290 looks rather wet, so
      Jan 20, 2002 @ 14:46 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5338. Re: new online legal supplement to bus&ss discovered
      Except, of course, for the unratified means of erosiion and accretion. I still like the hypothesis that MNNDSD moved gradually from the point 9 chains east of
      Jan 20, 2002 @ 15:31 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
5339. Re: Turkish exclave in Syria? -> mdua border changes
      ... Ah, brilliant! Thank you. That s the one. I ve been thrashing around the web for days looking for English info and finding nothing. Your second map also
      Jan 20, 2002 @ 15:37 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5340. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: new online legal supplement to bus&ss discovered
      brian i know you have offered this opinion before nor did i disagree out loud a second time by offering these new sources because you already heard me once so
      Jan 20, 2002 @ 20:15 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5341. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: mdua border changes
      ... they seem universally allowed at bp because we are all allowers but i for one have difficulty grasping & thus embracing the pene words because i think they
      Jan 20, 2002 @ 20:36 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5342. RE: [BoundaryPoint] N.Norwegian islands for free!
      Peter H, I am sorry, we do not bring. You have to come and take it yourself! Yes, Brown Norwegian goat cheese is really something else than the Black Jersey
      Jan 20, 2002 @ 20:36 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
5343. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Turkish exclave in Syria?
      m, We are certainly not giving away our islands solely for summer holidays!! But you are welcome to spend your summer holiday in the Lofoten Isl. and you will
      Jan 20, 2002 @ 20:36 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
5344. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Turkish exclave in Syria?
      ... well ok but dont you also think we still need to see the treaty texts to settle all questions like this & perhaps also to set some kind of standard or
      Jan 20, 2002 @ 20:54 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5345. Re: Turkish exclave in Syria?
      ... texts to ... Yesyesyes. But I think what I m quoting there *is* Article 9 of the Treaty of Ankara, at least in translation - I plucked it from a website
      Jan 20, 2002 @ 21:11 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5346. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Turkish exclave in Syria?
      ... gainesville fl again thanx jan & i will try to meet this expectation tho i may need a diplomatic passport last nite & this morning we visited 2 additional
      Jan 20, 2002 @ 21:31 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5347. Re: mdua border changes
      michael donner wrote: (...)logic & sense dictate that things be named logically & sensibly that is in this case at least named for how they are treated as you
      Jan 20, 2002 @ 21:33 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5348. Re: N.Norwegian islands for free! (cheese for free too?)
      Jan Krogh wrote: (...) I cannot understand why it is not sold abroad! Me neither!!! Peter S. (what is the greek word for cheese lover?)
      Jan 20, 2002 @ 21:43 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5349. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: mdua border changes
      ... hahaha right well their function is communication anyway now that you have said this tho i think i do understand what you guys understand by these words
      Jan 20, 2002 @ 21:51 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5350. Vennbahn pene?
      No, I don t want to start an argument. I rather show a nice photo that Harry sent me: The van is in Germany, and so is the photographer, but the bridge is
      Jan 20, 2002 @ 21:54 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
5351. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Cape Agulhas
      Cape Agulhas, me, my GPS and E20.
      Jan 20, 2002 @ 21:56 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
5352. Re: Vennbahn pene?
      The very spot that I visited last year, Jesper. I too couldn t find any boundary marker whatsoever. I still tend to think that the road underneath the bridge
      Jan 20, 2002 @ 21:57 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5353. Re: Cape Agulhas
      Where is the Afrikaans inscription that used to be there? Peter S.
      Jan 20, 2002 @ 21:59 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5354. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Cape Agulhas
      In the past there was a wooden sign in English and Afrikaans, which is now gone. Also a new residential house is totally vanished. Jesper ... From: ps1966nl
      Jan 20, 2002 @ 22:00 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5355. Re: Cape Agulhas
      Look at picture 11.9A at http://www.geocities.com/dirco_in_africa/film11e.html The Atlantic Ocean is Atlantic Ocean alright, but the Indian Ocean is Indiese
      Jan 20, 2002 @ 22:05 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5356. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Cape Agulhas
      Things there change alot, looking at my 1998 picture there is not such sign at all. http://home.worldonline.dk/~jesniel/jnprivat.htm And it was not a wooden
      Jan 20, 2002 @ 22:19 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5357. Proposal for "sci.geo.cartography" newsgroup
      Recommendation from Dan Jacobson: See the sci.geo.cartography newsgroup proposal at http://www.uvv.org/nan.html .
      Jan 21, 2002 @ 00:04 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
5358. Re: Vennbahn pene - why a Pene??
      Greetings, Why must a pene exclave or enclave necessarily exist in this case? Nocie photo - it shows the concept of a hole or tube of sovereignty under a
      Jan 21, 2002 @ 03:51 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
5359. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Turkish exclave in Syria?
      Thank you Grant for your helpful info on the Turkish tomb in Syria! Rolf
      Jan 21, 2002 @ 06:04 - Rolf Palmberg LI ("Rolf Palmberg LI" <rpalmber@...>)
5360. ER-ET outcome?
      Great sleuthing on MD-UP swap, Peter. Moldovan source is Russian is quite useful. I have not seen the actual legislation and maps. I m currently taking
      Jan 21, 2002 @ 14:20 - Ray Milefsky ("Ray Milefsky" <mrrayj@...>)
5361. Re: new online legal supplement to bus&ss discovered
      Sorry if I made you feel insecure. The facts from BUS&SS that you mention are the very ones I am using in my hypothesis. We have a difference of opinion as to
      Jan 21, 2002 @ 15:25 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
5362. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Proposal for "sci.geo.cartography" newsgroup
      ... awesome news bill i would join it & i bet most others here would too it may have the effect of reducing our volume a little but of further concentrating
      Jan 21, 2002 @ 15:39 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5363. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: new online legal supplement to bus&ss discovered
      ... & silly of me not to understand why you think in these terms for i would rather be silly than sorry insecure etc & it is of course ones own thought that
      Jan 21, 2002 @ 15:58 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5364. Re: new online legal supplement to bus&ss discovered
      Truce. I will try to get the proof. BJB ... sources ... accretion ... infinite ... mnndsd ... by the
      Jan 21, 2002 @ 16:03 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
5365. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: new online legal supplement to bus&ss discovered
      truth good luck m ... _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com
      Jan 21, 2002 @ 16:12 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5366. Re: N.Norwegian islands for free! (cheese for free too?)
      ... do you mean ancient or modern greek for cheese as with boundaries i think i would emulate ray & coin with the fresher word & thus wisely avoid both
      Jan 21, 2002 @ 16:33 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5367. Re: Turkish exclave in Syria?
      ... hey that nothing i just wrote chkpru for cnkpru arpa for aruy etc etc & havent even bothered to renew my poetic license but the eshoni or rather eshonu if
      Jan 21, 2002 @ 16:45 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5368. Re: N.Norwegian islands for free! (cheese for free too?)
      ... I could have sworn that tyrophile would be a word, but the OED knows it not. But it does offer tyromancy for divination by cheese , which I d
      Jan 21, 2002 @ 16:59 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5369. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: N.Norwegian islands for free! (cheese for free too?)
      ... i would conduct it for free m tyrophile is pure gold ancient greek modern coin whatever the oed says if fresh cheese is wanted tho modern greek philos wont
      Jan 21, 2002 @ 17:29 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5370. Croatian-Yoguslavian border
      Where is it? Some maps shows it in Danube, other show it along what probably was the Danube in the old day.
      Jan 21, 2002 @ 18:40 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5371. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Croatian-Yugoslavian border
      Well Jesper, thanks for your interest in this - for the GEEBE - important area - my guess is this: previously, the internal border betw. the two members of the
      Jan 21, 2002 @ 19:47 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
5372. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Croatian-Yugoslavian border
      Or visit both possible tripoints? ... From: Peter Hering To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint]
      Jan 21, 2002 @ 19:55 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
5373. Re: Croatian-Yoguslavian border
      ... I think it depends on who s doing the mapping, and when. Biger describes the border as being mainly along the Danube, but with some deviations. The
      Jan 21, 2002 @ 20:00 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5374. Re: Croatian-Yoguslavian border
      Grant Hutchison wrote: (...)But: Since autumn 1991 the Croatian region of Baranya, as well as most of the Slovenian borderland along the Danube, have, in
      Jan 21, 2002 @ 20:06 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5375. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Croatian-Yoguslavian border
      Right Peter S., it is Slavonia, not Slovenia...! Most of Slavonia is Croatian, only the easternmost area is part of YU... the southern borderline to Bosnia has
      Jan 21, 2002 @ 20:16 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
5376. Re: Croatian-Yoguslavian border
      And it all means the same, too. There are or have been in the past languages and regions that were Slavic, Slovak, Slovenian, Slavonian, and Slovinzian. Just
      Jan 21, 2002 @ 20:27 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5377. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Croatian-Yoguslavian border
      I hired a tv series with a Danish guy travelling from Denmark to Romania on the European waterways. He visited some tripoints, but they only showed HRHUYU. The
      Jan 21, 2002 @ 20:29 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5378. Re: Croatian-Yoguslavian border
      ... Ah, that makes sense. Biger has Slovenia , and I confess I typed it without thinking about it. Grant
      Jan 21, 2002 @ 21:00 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5379. Re: Croatian-Yoguslavian border & Timor
      Another map at http://www-ibru.dur.ac.uk/pubs/btb_flyer.pdf (isn t that Martins whereabouts?). Another bonus here: the map of the original division of Timor. I
      Jan 21, 2002 @ 21:05 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5380. An EEZ claim cast in concrete
      Okino-tori-shima revisited: http://www3.ocn.ne.jp/~iota/newpage11.html I thought you might like this one. Peter S.
      Jan 21, 2002 @ 22:39 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5381. Re: An EEZ claim cast in concrete
      ... And here s a close-up of the inhabited part: http://www.kozai-club.or.jp/market/pagess/e09.htm Grant
      Jan 21, 2002 @ 23:18 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5382. Re: Croatian-Yoguslavian border & Timor
      ... That double loop the (non-Danube) Croatian/Yugoslavian border takes just south of the tripoint with Hungary seems to follow a canalised tributary of the
      Jan 21, 2002 @ 23:33 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5383. vennbahn enclaves / Moldovan railways
      This 2001 map also show the Moldovian part of the highway: http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/commonwealth/moldova_pol01.jpg Was it transferred in July 2001? Then
      Jan 22, 2002 @ 04:38 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <b.whyte@...>)
5384. www.trailsupply.com ** Great GEAR and MORE **
      www.trailsupply.com has the latest in trail ready rugged gear. We specialize in high quality camping and outdoor gear for the novice and expert camper alike.
      Jan 22, 2002 @ 06:09 - trailsupply ("trailsupply" <trailsupply@...>)
5385. Review of subsequent new memberships
      In an attempt to limit spamming on BP, I ve changed the enrollment status of new members from open to enrollment subject to review. To what extent this is
      Jan 22, 2002 @ 12:11 - bumpa50_1999 ("bumpa50_1999" <hanrahan@...>)
5386. Re: vennbahn enclaves / Moldovan railways
      ... Ukraine ... (but ... Do you have any other source confirming this? Peter s first source stipulates a 7.7km road and a total area of only 18ha - which is a
      Jan 22, 2002 @ 12:43 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5387. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Review of subsequent new memberships
      actually bill these new goofballs from trail supply could still turn out to be regular bp guys too albeit just very barbarian i mean i think they could like
      Jan 22, 2002 @ 15:48 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5388. megagem
      crystal river again just shocked to see this new gulfcoast homeplace of mine proclaim itself the gem of the nature coast of florida as my other new homeplace
      Jan 22, 2002 @ 17:54 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5389. hue (and possibly huroua)
      Can be seen at http://www.zpok.hu/~utf/hunlap.html . The picture is called Magyarország legkeletibb pontján (Garbolc) , meaning The easternmost corner of
      Jan 22, 2002 @ 19:35 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5390. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Baarle translation needed
      after catching up with some older BP-messages I discovered that this one was not answered. Let me try to give some answers. I hope I can help out. gl Harry
      Jan 22, 2002 @ 20:51 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
5391. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Review of subsequent new memberships
      Michael, if they want to send me an email and tell me they d like to be regular members that s one thing, but their sole message on BP was solely to use BP to
      Jan 22, 2002 @ 21:47 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
5392. Re: [BoundaryPoint] megagem
      Hey Michael, Crystal River is where I originally proved my insanity to the FAA...a gem of a day if there ever was one. Bill ... From: m donner To:
      Jan 22, 2002 @ 21:49 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
5393. Re: Baarle translation needed
      ... BURGEMEESTER in ... PROVINCIAL ... any ... Schout is sherrif alright, and burgemeester mayor (I believe the English word burgomaster also exists, like
      Jan 22, 2002 @ 21:57 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5394. New poll for BoundaryPoint
      Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the BoundaryPoint group: From time to time, commercial messages ( spam ) are posted to BP by new or
      Jan 22, 2002 @ 22:01 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com (BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com )
5395. Re: Baarle translation needed
      ... begrepen ... gemeente ... Voor ... 1781. ... It is actually nowadays called a transportakte in Dutch (see http://www.de-wit.net/clio/a-z/transportakte.htm
      Jan 22, 2002 @ 22:36 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5396. moldovan enclave?
      ... No, my sources are just what i ve been reading on this group, but i presume an agreement to transfer the road, Vennbahn style, would have mentioned the
      Jan 23, 2002 @ 00:56 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <b.whyte@...>)
5397. Re: moldovan enclave?
      ... presume ... mentioned the ... article. I ... would ... likely to ... the ... even MPs ... of the ... I think you re right. What has probably happened, is
      Jan 23, 2002 @ 10:50 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5398. Vennbahn - Depth of Sovereignty
      Brendan, The other day you wrote and reiterated your feeling that the sovereign rights to the depths below the Vennbahn right of way belonged to Belgium, too.
      Jan 23, 2002 @ 14:47 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
5399. Re: [BoundaryPoint] megagem
      clueless in clewiston fl but reading you loud & clear bill on both of your crystalline transmissions & the morning rushes are also a complete success from here
      Jan 23, 2002 @ 16:04 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5400. Re: new online legal supplement to bus&ss discovered
      thanxx to your several recent theories & other new info i have substantially revised my own mnndsd guess in fact much of my 1858 to 2002 chronology guess is
      Jan 23, 2002 @ 16:26 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5401. Turkish Exclave v Berlin Enclave of Russia
      The recent thread about the Turkish possession in Syria leads me to ask if anyone knows that happened to the Russian sovereign rights over it s memorial west
      Jan 23, 2002 @ 16:57 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
5402. Re: Turkish Exclave v Berlin Enclave of Russia
      Len Nadybal wrote: The recent thread about the Turkish possession in Syria leads me to ask if anyone knows that happened to the Russian sovereign rights over
      Jan 23, 2002 @ 17:17 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5403. Re: new online legal supplement to bus&ss discovered
      I have sent a fairly detailed request to the US Army Corps of Engineers in the MN-ND-SD district in an attempt to locate some engineering plans for the Bois de
      Jan 23, 2002 @ 17:30 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
5404. Re: new online legal supplement to bus&ss discovered
      I have sent a fairly detailed request to the US Army Corps of Engineers in the MN-ND-SD district in an attempt to locate some engineering plans for the Bois de
      Jan 23, 2002 @ 17:30 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
5405. Vimy
      Can anyone shed some light on the status of the Canadian territory in Vimy, France? This area contains the well-known Canadian war monument and cemetery, and
      Jan 23, 2002 @ 17:54 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
5406. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Turkish Exclave v Berlin Enclave of Russia
      Under the Reunification treaty in 1990, the German government is pledged to upkeep all Soviet memorials in German Territory. Hence the site is still intact and
      Jan 23, 2002 @ 17:58 - John Kelly ("John Kelly" <johnkelly@...>)
5407. Re: Tripoint picture HuRoUa
      Thanks a lot, Peter S. for publishing this picture - Garbolc is the village close to the tripoint Hungary-Romania-Ukraine,- at the same time the easternmost
      Jan 23, 2002 @ 18:32 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
5408. Boundary Bits
      Their sample site has been updates on http://www.boundaries.com/bits.htm Does anyone at BP in any case subscribe? Jesper
      Jan 29, 2002 @ 19:17 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5409. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Croatian-Yoguslavian border
      This UN map of 1998 leaves part of the Croatian city of Vukovar in Yogoslavia. Jesper ... From: granthutchison To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday,
      Jan 29, 2002 @ 19:25 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5410. Please cancel my subscription.- [UNSUBSCRIBE]
      
      Jan 23, 2002 @ 19:56 - J. A. LOGROÑO MORALES (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J._A._LOGRO=D1O_MORALES?= <logromor@...>)
5411. Moldovan exclave and other comments
      Brendan s e-mail a few days ago was the second time I heard about the existence of a one-time exclave between between Moldavia and Ukraine. Does anybody know
      Jan 23, 2002 @ 20:27 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
5412. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New poll for BoundaryPoint
      ... What happend to the ham-radio poll?? Should we vote agian? gl Harry ten Veen
      Jan 23, 2002 @ 21:27 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
5413. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: new online legal supplement to bus&ss discovered
      key largo fl thanx brian & more below ... great this is world class punctology which btw is what i think bp is about at its best If available this map might
      Jan 23, 2002 @ 22:06 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5414. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New poll for BoundaryPoint
      The radio poll s still open with an unspecified closing date. I ll probably close it at the end of the month or thereabouts. In retrospect, I probably should
      Jan 23, 2002 @ 22:35 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
5415. Re: [BoundaryPoint] megagem
      Good luck on the revisit Michael...try for a bigger boat this time! Bill
      Jan 23, 2002 @ 22:39 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
5416. jc lost
      marathon key fl just lost jc on islamorada our first such goof in these 5000 plus miles not counting the 2 deliberate splits also didnt see the mig at the
      Jan 24, 2002 @ 00:48 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5417. Mount Paektu: CH-DRNK
      I ve got another challenge for you folks. Korean and Chinese (and US) maps show the boundary around Mt Paektu, the sacred volcano-lake differently. China now
      Jan 24, 2002 @ 01:17 - Ray Milefsky ("Ray Milefsky" <mrrayj@...>)
5418. Re: new online legal supplement to bus&ss discovered
      Regarding meanders, avulsions, etc. evidently I am not describing something clearly enough. It is actually the core of my argument so if it is not clear why
      Jan 24, 2002 @ 02:41 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
5419. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: An EEZ claim cast in concrete
      The big question on this structure is whether it justifies the claim to extend a 200 nm EEZ based on an inhabitable feature which can sustain life. It s a big
      Jan 24, 2002 @ 03:12 - Ray Milefsky ("Ray Milefsky" <mrrayj@...>)
5420. Q for the Berlin freaks
      I have seen a cheap offer for a few days in Berlin, and I might go for it. Are there any hidden border treasures that the new Berlin has not spoiled. Thanks
      Jan 24, 2002 @ 07:11 - jesniel ("jesniel" <jesniel@...>)
5421. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Turkish Exclave v Berlin Enclave of Russia
      ... Although it would seem that the federal government is now responsible for its maintenance. The article at
      Jan 24, 2002 @ 10:53 - Pepijn Hendriks ("Pepijn Hendriks" <pepijnh@...>)
5422. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Croatian-Yoguslavian border
      I went to the library, and found 3 2001 Europa maps. The non-Danube border won against the Danube border 2-1. Peter H has ordered a Hungarian topomap of the
      Jan 24, 2002 @ 16:43 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5423. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Croatian-Yoguslavian border
      I also ment to write that I found it very strange that when you search for a dispute, only the Prevlaka issue comes up. UN is involved, there are border talks,
      Jan 24, 2002 @ 16:48 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5424. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: new online legal supplement to bus&ss discovered
      ... ok i am following you so far but please let me butt in here because i was still operating from your earlier hypothesis which began i thought correctly with
      Jan 24, 2002 @ 17:08 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5425. all clear
      big pine key fl btw & in case anyone was concerned jc was found by cellphone last nite just after i reported her missing she was at mig torch of course waiting
      Jan 24, 2002 @ 17:12 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5426. Re: new online legal supplement to bus&ss discovered
      I had did not make a distinction between the DAMN line and the MNND/MNSD line because they are equivalent, following the Bois de Sioux s meanders. The first
      Jan 24, 2002 @ 17:49 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
5427. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: An EEZ claim cast in concrete
      ray do you have any new info on the actual situation of habitation in the spratlys since the 1985 prescott map for use in a map of putative or de facto eezs i
      Jan 24, 2002 @ 18:09 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5428. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: new online legal supplement to bus&ss discovered
      ok but why do you think usace or anyone for that matter would even know which avulsion was the first avulsion since damn m ...
      Jan 24, 2002 @ 18:24 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5429. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Moldovan exclave and other comments
      ... i agree completely better yet why dont we find or invent & then use adequate words in the first place i think we will understand each other better if we do
      Jan 24, 2002 @ 18:30 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5430. Re: [BoundaryPoint] hue (and possibly huroua)
      so is this a confirmed tricountry point sighting yet peter if so it is our first of the new year & should be added to the old world class list m say does
      Jan 24, 2002 @ 18:38 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5431. Re: [BoundaryPoint] megagem
      thanx i am i am what say we spam the spammer with solicitations for jet fuel m ... _________________________________________________________________ Get your
      Jan 24, 2002 @ 18:41 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5432. Re: [BoundaryPoint] megagem
      Works for me. Bill ... From: m donner To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] megagem thanx i
      Jan 24, 2002 @ 18:43 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
5433. Vimy, Mol-Ukr, Vennbahn, Mt Paektu
      Mt Paektu: there has been a NK/Ch agreement, to split the mountain in half. You can visit the lake fomr either country. China is making a real tourist kitchy
      Jan 24, 2002 @ 23:59 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <b.whyte@...>)
5434. Re: new online legal supplement to bus&ss discovered
      Well, I am assuming the man-made avulsion required to rechannel the river was the only avulsion in the relevant time-frame. Either a natural or man-made
      Jan 25, 2002 @ 02:34 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
5435. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Q for the Berlin freaks
      Quite a few actually. Along Bernauer Strasse there are still some nooks and crannies of the wall left. There is even a fleamarket in the former death strip.
      Jan 25, 2002 @ 15:03 - John Kelly ("John Kelly" <johnkelly@...>)
5436. mig torch key & mnndsd & clave prefixes
      big pine key fl library again & until further notice our mig torch key homeplace near here is fairly paradise when we have it & the adjacent plunge pools &
      Jan 25, 2002 @ 15:47 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5437. The status of the HRYU border
      ... Dear Jesper, No wonder you could not locate Croatia-Yugoslavia-Hungary tripoint. The Croatia-Yugoslavia has not been subject of negotiations and agreement
      Jan 25, 2002 @ 16:20 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5438. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: new online legal supplement to bus&ss discovered
      additional comments intertwingled below ... that is wonderful i do not poopoo all the new data will be delicious but in the absence of the full chronology of
      Jan 25, 2002 @ 16:23 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5439. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Q for the Berlin freaks
      did i miss something again why is the dearth strip a treasure m ... _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail
      Jan 25, 2002 @ 16:30 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5440. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Vimy, Mol-Ukr, Vennbahn, Mt Paektu
      ... i understand & even share your feeling but would just like to add in the interests of balance & fairness that the international cable car at azbcca was an
      Jan 25, 2002 @ 16:36 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5441. Re: [BoundaryPoint] The status of the HRYU border
      nice play does this change the geebe itinerary m ... _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN
      Jan 25, 2002 @ 16:37 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5442. Re: [BoundaryPoint] The status of the HRYU border
      I hope we can make both tripoints Here is a map I received from a Hungarian. Jesper ... From: m donner To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday,
      Jan 25, 2002 @ 16:40 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
5443. Re: new online legal supplement to bus&ss discovered
      Thanks for the twingling. The only comment I have is about MANHVT. It does seem that the tristate marker would pin the location, but what does the boundary
      Jan 25, 2002 @ 20:00 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
5444. Re: The status of the HRYU border
      ... The short stream that flows out of Croatia east of the Danube and then along the border with Yugoslavia, across the tripoint and into Hungary, is marked
      Jan 25, 2002 @ 18:09 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5445. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New poll for BoundaryPoint
      ... The radio poll s still open with an unspecified closing date. I ll probably close it at the end of the month or thereabouts. In retrospect, I probably
      Jan 25, 2002 @ 20:39 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
5446. Re: Mt Paektu
      ... in half. The precise orientation of the split is important in at least one respect. Paektu is the highest mountain in North Korea, and its height is
      Jan 25, 2002 @ 18:03 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5447. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Q for the Berlin freaks
      The former Death strip is the former border. It was the space in the wall where the soldiers shot you dead for escaping. (I assume you knew that already.) Now
      Jan 25, 2002 @ 21:42 - John Kelly ("John Kelly" <johnkelly@...>)
5448. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New poll for BoundaryPoint
      Harry, I hadn t realized that as I hadn t looked at it in a few days. I have no explanation...sounds like a Yahoo glitch. As I remember, I think we had three
      Jan 25, 2002 @ 22:11 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
5449. Peculiar bordercrossing North to South Korea
      I found again a clipping of an article in a local (Dutch) newspaper in my archive . I liked to share the content with you and yes, I found this news item on
      Jan 25, 2002 @ 21:36 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
5450. BRGYVE
      Has this been posted before: http://www.adventistworldaviation.org/proj/mapmtrrm.htm http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/laexped/c9i11ns.htm
      Jan 26, 2002 @ 15:21 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5451. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: new online legal supplement to bus&ss discovered
      key largo again good point brian it was nagging me too so i also considered the linearity you mention tho i called my version of this absurdity a triline
      Jan 26, 2002 @ 15:48 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5452. Defining Full Withdrawal Re-Marking The Lebanese-Israeli Border
      http://www.mideastinsight.org/5_00/hof.html
      Jan 26, 2002 @ 16:25 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
5453. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BRGYVE
      I have two more links in my collection. There is a real marker! http://www.global-denken.de/r_index.html
      Jan 26, 2002 @ 16:27 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
5454. US-Mexico Joint Projects
      http://www.ibwc.state.gov/LANDBOUN/land_boundary.htm
      Jan 26, 2002 @ 16:29 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
5455. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BRGYVE
      islamorada never before jesper in this form also nice finds on mxus but how could they have left out my international cable car ride they said they were
      Jan 26, 2002 @ 17:57 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5456. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Peculiar bordercrossing North to South Korea
      getting naked around there is probably what saved him smart man m ... _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends
      Jan 26, 2002 @ 18:00 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5457. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Q for the Berlin freaks
      ok john i get the beer but well all i know is there is no such thing as dead or death or any of that yes a dearth of death for it is nothing & we know the
      Jan 26, 2002 @ 18:26 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5458. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Mt Paektu
      i think i understand this esthetic & why you dearly love it it is try pointing at its grandest m ...
      Jan 26, 2002 @ 18:29 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5459. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New poll for BoundaryPoint
      maybe the server considered it off point but count me in too as a fourth or at least a dummy for now m ...
      Jan 26, 2002 @ 18:35 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5460. Part of Vennbahn in German territory
      Brendan and others, I dug up a Belgian map of the Vennbahn to hopefully see a complicated piece of the border in one spot, that was unclear on German maps.
      Jan 26, 2002 @ 17:57 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@home.com>)
5461. Re: Mt Paektu
      ... But incompetentest, since I said feet when I meant metres - I sent a quick correction but it has disappeared into Yahoo limbo these last 24 hours. That
      Jan 26, 2002 @ 23:07 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5462. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Part of Vennbahn in German territory
      That s a very interesting map!! It s the first time I see a map where the rail is German, which spoils my theory that if you get confused at Vennbahn, always
      Jan 26, 2002 @ 23:13 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5463. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Part of Vennbahn in German territory
      I was just looking at Monschau2.jpg at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/2696 again. There appears to be an unnumbered border markers a
      Jan 26, 2002 @ 23:15 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5464. Re: Part of Vennbahn in German territory
      I ll have to take some time to look at the border markers by number that you cites. I just posted the whole area from that map, but it s a big file 1.6MB or
      Jan 27, 2002 @ 07:32 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
5465. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Part of Vennbahn in German territory
      I don t think the file is allowed by the server. Make it 800 Kb or upload it to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/files/ Jesper
      Jan 27, 2002 @ 09:44 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5466. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Vimy, Mol-Ukr, Vennbahn, Mt Paektu
      The problem with Paektu is that Chinese maps show the lake split through the middle (sort of ne-sw axis), North Korean atlases show no line, South Korean maps
      Jan 27, 2002 @ 12:55 - Ray Milefsky ("Ray Milefsky" <mrrayj@...>)
5467. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Moldovan exclave and other comments
      Being a novice to this site, I am baffled by terms such as pene-enclave. Without a clear definition I am afraid I cannot employ it in my professional life, but
      Jan 27, 2002 @ 13:03 - Ray Milefsky ("Ray Milefsky" <mrrayj@...>)
5468. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Moldovan exclave and other comments
      http://parole.aporee.org/work/print.php?words_id=756 ... From: Ray Milefsky To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 2:03 PM Subject:
      Jan 27, 2002 @ 13:00 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5469. Re: Moldovan exclave and other comments
      ... Board on ... Slovenia, EZ ... Tut tut. The State Department doesn t seem to have been keeping up with the FIPS 10-4 Publication Change Notices at
      Jan 27, 2002 @ 15:45 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5470. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
      Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File :
      Jan 28, 2002 @ 01:42 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com (BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com )
5471. Digraphs
      Why don t we use the internationally recognized automobile registration initials. They ve been in place for decades. Many postal services around the world
      Jan 28, 2002 @ 01:39 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
5472. Re: Mt Paektu
      ... Oops. Metres, not feet. Grant
      Jan 25, 2002 @ 22:29 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5473. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Digraphs
      Dear Len, I would certainly agree with you on this matter - if our issues were European ones only! The problem is that so many non-Europ. countries don t have
      Jan 28, 2002 @ 09:09 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
5474. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Digraphs
      Hi, ... That s a great idea, I often have trouble following the discussions, as people often use different codes. ... Brittany? Apparently it s legal to use
      Jan 28, 2002 @ 19:08 - Anton Florian Zeilinger ("Anton Florian Zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
5475. Re: Digraphs - a Winner!
      Great Florian... too bad we didn t have a prize to give out. These regional codes are secessionist wishers. Canadians have had to tolerate Quebec in this
      Jan 28, 2002 @ 15:02 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
5476. Re: Digraphs - a Winner!
      Great Florian... too bad we didn t have a prize to give out. These regional codes are secessionist wishers. Canadians have had to tolerate Quebec in this
      Jan 28, 2002 @ 15:02 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
5477. Re: Digraphs
      ... I don t know about East Timor, but I list vehicle distinguishing signs for the other 192 countries in my Country Codes file - some of them not officially
      Jan 28, 2002 @ 15:24 - Grant Hutchison (Grant Hutchison <granthutchison@...>)
5478. Border of Ukraine-Moldova
      Just a note I received from an Odessa electronic magazine. I am not sure if this brings any news to the debate. Jesper
      Jan 28, 2002 @ 16:22 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5479. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Digraphs
      marathon again first let me just interject into the discussion of abbrevs that bp has never adopted any one system but because we arose in the usa we naturally
      Jan 28, 2002 @ 17:00 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5480. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Digraphs
      What is HUA? Hungary - Ukraine Hungary - Austria Peter S also made HUE meaning Hungary Easternmost point, and I like that as well. cc = country d = direction
      Jan 28, 2002 @ 17:04 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5481. Re: Digraphs
      ... Not if I m used to FIPS, I won t. There are too many digraphs with different meanings in the two systems: AG Antigua/Algeria AU Australia/Austria BG
      Jan 28, 2002 @ 19:16 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5482. Re: Digraphs
      OK, just my two cents to this discussion: ISO happens to be an international standard. Maybe (well, actually, obviously) not accepted by everyone, but I think
      Jan 28, 2002 @ 19:36 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5483. Re: Digraphs
      ... like that, although up to now I ve never seen the Arabic letter jiim transliterated as anything other than j, dj or g, depending on the country. The UNGEGN
      Jan 28, 2002 @ 22:33 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5484. Re: Digraphs
      No, that s my mistake. I have encountered Al Djazair (circumflex on second a), so almost your spelling. Still makes sense: DjaZair. Peter S. ... Dzhazair??I
      Jan 28, 2002 @ 22:41 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5485. digraphs
      According to G.W.S. robinson in the 1950s, a pene-enclave is part of the territory of one country, that can be approached conveniently, esp by wheeled traffic,
      Jan 28, 2002 @ 23:51 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <b.whyte@...>)
5486. vennbahn
      I have checked my 1:10,000 topos (Belgian, 43/7 sud). It does appear that the road is German, but I am sure this is wrong, as I carefully pored over the 1920
      Jan 29, 2002 @ 01:17 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <b.whyte@...>)
5487. Breda border markers
      For those of you who read Dutch, I stumbled across a page on the website from the town archives of Breda (NL) ( ), announcing the
      Jan 29, 2002 @ 13:57 - Pepijn Hendriks ("Pepijn Hendriks" <pepijnh@...>)
5488. glhemaokpa recovery try & groundhog millennium
      big pine & the torches everyonese nuclear zone again including ramrod & no name keys at the extremes back in this regular homeland today i have to add to
      Jan 29, 2002 @ 18:10 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5489. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Digraphs
      ... hahahahaha calling yourself wrong & then blaming me for it hahahahaha yet you & everyone else are all right with me m
      Jan 29, 2002 @ 19:32 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5490. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Digraphs
      ... all very well put jesper & this is exactly the system that has evolved naturally from the earliest days of bp & even before there is more to it which we
      Jan 29, 2002 @ 19:38 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5491. Re: Digraphs
      ... Yes indeed. ... Me me. I m really interested. And some summary of this should end up in the file area at some time, so that newbies and old hands alike can
      Jan 29, 2002 @ 20:01 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5492. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Digraphs
      ISO and FIPS codes are to be find in BoundaryPoint at URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/links Jesper ... From: granthutchison To:
      Jan 29, 2002 @ 20:10 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5493. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Moldovan exclave and other comments
      Double tut-tut. we are reviewing 10-5 now. We will integrate the digraphs into ours after review. What joy. what rapture in being a bureaucrat! It would
      Jan 30, 2002 @ 01:17 - Ray Milefsky ("Ray Milefsky" <mrrayj@...>)
5494. RE: [BoundaryPoint] New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
      Thank you so much for this wonderful map of the Vennbahn. Ray ... From: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday,
      Jan 30, 2002 @ 01:24 - Ray Milefsky ("Ray Milefsky" <mrrayj@...>)
5495. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Digraphs
      I found the auto codes to be snobbish -- the important (mostly Western European states) have monographs and the less important ones have trigraphs. The
      Jan 30, 2002 @ 01:39 - Ray Milefsky ("Ray Milefsky" <mrrayj@...>)
5496. How do you attach a file to a Post?
      Greetings computer buffs. I click on the Post prompt on the group s page, and the block I m typing in now shows up.... but there is no means that I can see
      Jan 30, 2002 @ 06:00 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
5497. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Digraphs
      Anybody who knows how Switzerland became CH? CH = Switzerland Jesper
      Jan 30, 2002 @ 06:49 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5498. Re: [BoundaryPoint] How do you attach a file to a Post?
      Len, Hmmm...unfortunately, I don t think you can post a file without uploading it to the Files section if you compose your posts from the Web page. If I
      Jan 30, 2002 @ 11:57 - Brendan (Brendan <pithokie@adelphia.net>)
5499. Re: Digraphs
      Confoederatio Helvetica (=Swiss Confederacy). Peter S.
      Jan 30, 2002 @ 13:08 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5500. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Digraphs
      the ironic difficulty now for me is that it isnt so easy to be both online & footloose & fancy free in paradise at the same time so of all times to get scarce
      Jan 30, 2002 @ 16:00 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5501. Re: glhemaokpa recovery try & groundhog millennium
      yes yes yes you are able to make it there please throw together any content you can think of for the new groundhog site including the old groundhog stuff as
      Jan 30, 2002 @ 16:13 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5502. FIPS 10-4, 10-5
      ... Ah. Not apparently available on the FIPS homepage as yet. But I m not sure I m following you. Are you saying that 10-5 has reverted to TC for the UAE?
      Jan 30, 2002 @ 18:30 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5503. Re: FIPS 10-4, 10-5
      Grant Hutchison: TC for the UAE? TruCial Oman (or TruCial States)?? Peter S. PS: Is there someone who knows of a good map with the internal boundaries of the
      Jan 30, 2002 @ 18:51 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5504. Re: FIPS 10-4, 10-5
      ... Trucial States, I think. I presumed FIPS changed the digraph because the Trucial States were not exactly congruent with the UAE in boundary terms (they
      Jan 30, 2002 @ 19:44 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5505. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Digraphs
      ... well as usual this will be much too condensed & i dont really know where to start ah but let me insert http://groundhog.gohdnu.org before i forget for any
      Jan 31, 2002 @ 00:08 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5506. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: FIPS 10-4, 10-5
      Let me just say something. TC would make the most sense if it stood for Trucial Coast as it used to be called. Why would somebody take a letter from the middle
      Jan 31, 2002 @ 00:21 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
5507. CH=Switzerland
      CH= Confederatio Helvetica. As Switz. has 4 official languages, the obvious SW or SWI would discriminate in favour of one or more of them to the exclusion of
      Jan 31, 2002 @ 00:24 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <b.whyte@...>)
5508. Re: [BoundaryPoint] DK=Denmark
      I think our own is a clever one. DK is used ISO and on the cars. Since it t the first letter, it doesn t care whether it is Denmark, Danmark, Dänemark,
      Jan 31, 2002 @ 05:49 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5509. Bhutanese enclaves in Tibet/ Bhutan/China boundary
      An Indian gentleman is requesting information on a Sikkimese enclave in Tibet. Anyone know anything? I have informed him of a couple of articles in the
      Jan 31, 2002 @ 07:16 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <b.whyte@...>)
5510. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Digraphs - a Winner!
      ... at bp anyone can create & give a prize any time they like & i for one would like to encourage this practice even without prejudicing my present application
      Jan 31, 2002 @ 18:09 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5511. Re: paradise aviation
      m sounds good, happy birthday from VA, wish I had stayed for the flight(s)jc ... marathon for ... try the ... try ... http://messenger.msn.com
      Jan 31, 2002 @ 19:29 - janecapellaro ("janecapellaro" <janecapellaro@...>)
5512. Re: FIPS 10-4, 10-5
      ... Ah, I hadn t heard that one. ... But there are many, many examples of this in both FIPS and ISO. Picking a couple from several examples in the A s alone,
      Jan 31, 2002 @ 20:15 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5513. Re: Digraphs
      ... Thanks for this, and already full of stuff I hadn t gleaned. ... Again, I don t have a specific example to mind (and one might be non-existent for all I
      Jan 31, 2002 @ 20:51 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5514. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Digraphs
      ... ok i blew this one at such high speed & meant to say semicards are normally appended to diglyphs only since they normally represent projections or corners
      Jan 31, 2002 @ 21:56 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5515. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Digraphs - a Winner!
      Mike, good luck with Okeechobee...I ll keep my fingers crossed. Spotting the buoy without benefit of GPS is a major challenge. The slightest bit of chop from
      Jan 31, 2002 @ 22:00 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
5516. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Digest Number 589
      TC= Trucial Coast. No doubt about it. Internal UAE boundaries: the UAE seems to be hushing these up as much as possible, and trying to protray itself as a
      Feb 01, 2002 @ 03:15 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <b.whyte@...>)
5517. Poll results for BoundaryPoint
      The following BoundaryPoint poll is now closed. Here are the final results: POLL QUESTION: Talk about crossing boundaries...! Somewhat off topic, but how many
      Feb 01, 2002 @ 08:20 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com (BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com )
5518. weather reports etc
      paradise i confess i was fooled by how uncooperative the cosmos appears to be weatherwise with tomorrows planned pilgrimmage to the maxipoint of the globe in
      Feb 01, 2002 @ 15:30 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5519. everyonese royal air farce lives
      ok both wings are still flying as of now at 7am bj & i will take off toward the florida mainland & okeechobee but prepare to turn around if necessary any time
      Feb 01, 2002 @ 18:56 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5520. possibly important details
      it may seem important since it was grant who asked about the cheese divination but as it turns out we will be renting the first plane from grantair & the
      Feb 01, 2002 @ 22:10 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5521. File - GEEBE-itin.English (1).doc
      File : GEEBE-itin.English (1).doc Description : GEEBE Proposed Itinerary: July 1-8, 2002
      Feb 02, 2002 @ 13:57 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com (BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com )
5522. File - geebemap2.jpg
      File : geebemap2.jpg Description : GEEBE 2002 Route Map
      Feb 02, 2002 @ 13:57 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com (BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com )
5523. glhemaokpa not but a lucky new era
      well everyone in a nutshell flight 1 was such a resounding success that flight 2 has proved unnecessary after all as i realized as soon as i noticed that the
      Feb 02, 2002 @ 15:50 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5524. GCEBE site finished
      Dear friends I am very proud to present the GCEBE report made by me and Peter Hering. Please visit at http://www.image.dk/~jesniel/gcebereport/ The sites can
      Feb 02, 2002 @ 16:15 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5525. Re: [BoundaryPoint] glhemaokpa not but a lucky new era
      Michael, congratulations on your first time at the controls...and at the attempt in general! Bill
      Feb 02, 2002 @ 16:18 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
5526. Dutch soil in the air
      I have another newsarticle from my arhive I wanted to share with you. This one is also in the internet: In the websites, mentioned below, search for the
      Feb 04, 2002 @ 22:03 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
5527. MNNDSD Data
      I received my shipment of maps from the US Army Corps of Engineers today. There are 10 large charts, which I have not fully figured out yet. They are all
      Feb 04, 2002 @ 22:55 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
5528. A golf course on the KHLATH tripoint
      According to this New of the Weird story , a 27-hole golf course is planned for the juncture
      Feb 05, 2002 @ 08:36 - Ross Finlayson (Ross Finlayson <finlayson@...>)
5529. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Dutch soil in the air
      Where do you see the nationality bit? Jesper ... From: Harry ten Veen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 11:03 PM Subject:
      Feb 05, 2002 @ 05:27 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5530. Re: [BoundaryPoint] A golf course on the KHLATH tripoint
      hole in one ross & thats a bp tp first tho we have played a lot of funny golf here so i figure it must be your new luck for the new age which is of course not
      Feb 05, 2002 @ 16:35 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5531. US tripoints
      You US guys probably already know this site. In case you don t enjoy http://www.peakbagging.com/Peak%20Lists/TriPt2.html Jesper
      Feb 05, 2002 @ 16:58 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5532. atczde
      http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Cockpit/4504/fri_e.htm
      Feb 05, 2002 @ 17:01 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5533. Re: [BoundaryPoint] MNNDSD Data
      clueless in clewiston again very rich stuff here old bean & let me interject my own fortunate mishap within your report below ... yes yet how bad was that
      Feb 05, 2002 @ 17:44 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5534. Re: [BoundaryPoint] US tripoints
      nice find jesper & totally new to me for one the source does seem to make a few common minor mistakes tho btw do you know who did this also there are in fact
      Feb 05, 2002 @ 18:05 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5535. Re: glhemaokpa not but a lucky new era
      ... at the attempt in general! ... already rousted bill out of bed on sunday morning with telephonic high fives for this so we are totally in synch & he knows
      Feb 05, 2002 @ 18:46 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5536. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Dutch soil in the air
      I think that as long as it was born on board the child still would be registered in the Netherlands. If a child would be born on board a Norwegian ship, let
      Feb 06, 2002 @ 09:05 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
5537. Lastest news on baltic border treaties and bridges issued 4th Feb 02
      SOCIAL DEMOCRATS TO COOPERATE WITH RUSSIAN COUNTERPARTS. The council of Latvia s Social Democratic Workers Party (LSDSP) has decided to develop a cooperation
      Feb 06, 2002 @ 16:10 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5538. Zoomable map of Southen Poland
      http://www.lemko.org/maps100/
      Feb 06, 2002 @ 16:20 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5539. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Dutch soil in the air
      ... Where do you see the nationality bit? Jesper ... You r right of course Jesper (are you by any change working in ict?). Indeed, the article in the third
      Feb 06, 2002 @ 22:01 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
5540. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Dutch soil in the air
      Harry What is in ict ? Nationality or citizenship must be determinted by the laws of the each country. If I would get a child with Nicolette the child would
      Feb 06, 2002 @ 22:12 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5541. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Dutch soil in the air
      ... From: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen Harry What is in ict ? == Information Communication Technology Nationality or citizenship must be determinted by the
      Feb 06, 2002 @ 22:25 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
5542. Tripoint BD-IN-MM
      I admit it is an obscure tripoint and the picture surely does not show a class A visit.....
      Feb 06, 2002 @ 22:31 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
5543. Czech boundary, liechtenstein dispute
      Hello, Does anyone know of a map anywhere on the internet which shows which lands were seized from the House of Liechtenstein after world war two? thanks, J
      Feb 06, 2002 @ 23:30 - endesch ("endesch" <endesch@...>)
5544. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Czech boundary, liechtenstein dispute
      ... Neither the Czech Republic or the former Czechslovakia had a border with Liechtenstein. Liechtenstein has only ever had borders with Austria and
      Feb 07, 2002 @ 00:29 - Gerard J Keating ("Gerard J Keating" <gerard@...>)
5545. Re: Czech boundary, liechtenstein dispute
      It s a mystery why Czechoslovakia is mentioned in the headline to the message - there was no reference to who confiscated Liechtenstein lands after WWII. There
      Feb 07, 2002 @ 02:17 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
5546. Re: Dutch soil in the air
      The nationality problem related to births is relatively common with US citizens stationed in NATO countries. Imagine you are a citizen of Ireland and the USA
      Feb 07, 2002 @ 02:40 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
5547. A new obsession
      Hello Freaks! I have a new obsession... and perhaps you can do this too. When I was young, I stumbled upon the intersection of Douglas Park Crescent and Murray
      Feb 07, 2002 @ 06:41 - Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com ("Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com" <dmurray@stockphotosonline.com>)
5548. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Dutch soil in the air
      Harry, In some countries the country of birth may give residence rights for the child, but I have never heard that it also gives citizenship. In my ship
      Feb 07, 2002 @ 09:01 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
5549. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Czech boundary, liechtenstein dispute
      Hi, well this territory was not since the 18th century part of Liechtenstein sovereign territory, it merely belonged to the house of Liechtenstein, as private
      Feb 07, 2002 @ 10:48 - Anton Florian Zeilinger ("Anton Florian Zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
5550. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Dutch soil in the air
      Hi, there are many different ways how you can acquire citizenship of a country. In general, countries with an Anglo-Saxon law tradition give citizenship to
      Feb 07, 2002 @ 10:58 - Anton Florian Zeilinger ("Anton Florian Zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
5551. RE: [BoundaryPoint] A new obsession
      i have seen a picture of the intersection of clinton street and gore street in toronto. still trying to find it on the web. bob beckett hollis, nh usa ...
      Feb 07, 2002 @ 13:42 - Beckett, Bob ("Beckett, Bob" <Bob.Beckett@...>)
5552. Re: - Liechtenstein, Czech Rebublik
      Most of the land confiscated from the House of Liechtenstein is in the Czech Republik - there are 1,600 square kilometers of it. To my understanding, the
      Feb 07, 2002 @ 14:17 - endesch ("endesch" <endesch@...>)
5553. RE: [BoundaryPoint] A new obsession
      thats sort of the right idea bob but i think what doug means is that you would need to look for the corner of bob & beckett myself i still havent found the
      Feb 07, 2002 @ 16:22 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5554. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoint BD-IN-MM
      possibly a bum link but i for one would love to see it at least it promises to be relevant m ...
      Feb 07, 2002 @ 16:33 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5555. 5555 try but no message
      _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com
      Feb 07, 2002 @ 16:37 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5556. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoint BD-IN-MM
      Harry Is this the picture?
      Feb 07, 2002 @ 16:40 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5557. RE: [BoundaryPoint] A new obsession
      mike, i was close...but bob beckett is really my pseudonym. my real name is clinton gore.....or is it gore clinton....: ) thanks, bob ...
      Feb 07, 2002 @ 18:11 - Beckett, Bob ("Beckett, Bob" <Bob.Beckett@...>)
5558. Re: 5555 try but no message
      ... Well done. I have been aware of a certain etheric tension building as we passed through the 5530s. Grant
      Feb 07, 2002 @ 18:41 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5559. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: 5555 try but no message
      ... indiantown fl thanx grant & salutes to all from this the home port of quintipointing 2001 as i think 1 or 2 other bp members will also remember tho todays
      Feb 07, 2002 @ 20:01 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5560. Photo of Mike and Bill
      Self-portrait (sort of) of Mike (left) and Bill in St. Cloud, Florida on 2/7/02.
      Feb 08, 2002 @ 15:36 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@kua.net>)
5561. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Photo of Mike and Bill
      ... gainesville & now bearing down on morning glory well at least one of us was trying to keep a straight face then after that bill took me to hooters for the
      Feb 08, 2002 @ 16:56 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5562. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Photo of Mike and Bill
      Dear Mike and Bill, thanks a lot for this picture, yes, indeed, you look great, both of you, full of energy and borderspirit ... cheers to two of BP s
      Feb 08, 2002 @ 17:08 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
5563. Re: Zoomable map of Southen Poland -> plua2lvpkzk
      A very nice set of maps. Looking on these Lemko pages (a very interesting ethnic group, by the way), I found a link to other Ukrainian maps, and found a
      Feb 08, 2002 @ 18:07 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5564. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Photo of Mike and Bill
      ... thanx mlord we are exuberant also for all your endeavors across the sea & appreciate your considerable exertions on behalf of us all in growing the world
      Feb 08, 2002 @ 18:20 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5565. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoint BD-IN-MM
      Yes, it is. ... From: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen Harry Is this the picture?
      Feb 08, 2002 @ 18:29 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
5566. Fw: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoint BD-IN-MM
      ... From: Harry ten Veen To: Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoint BD-IN-MM
      Feb 08, 2002 @ 18:34 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
5567. Off topic, but nice signs found on the net
      
      Feb 08, 2002 @ 20:03 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
5568. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Photo of Mike and Bill
      It was great to see Mike, but the Hooters girls wern t bad either. Bill ... From: m donner To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002
      Feb 08, 2002 @ 21:12 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
5569. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Photo of Mike and Bill
      Thanks Peter...except that I have more chins than I had when BP began...! Bill ... From: Peter Hering To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February
      Feb 08, 2002 @ 21:14 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
5570. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Photo of Mike and Bill
      Nice cap Mike!
      Feb 08, 2002 @ 21:14 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
5571. Re: A new obsession
      I was once at the quintessential entrepreneurs corner - the intersection of Enterprise and Chagrin in Cleveland, OH. BJB ... Crescent and Murray Avenue in
      Feb 08, 2002 @ 21:51 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
5572. 2 new tripoints in EUR ! soon to come!
      The YU president mr. Kustonica made a statement during his visit to the U.S. that might very well change the map of Europe - again!! He announced that he
      Feb 09, 2002 @ 12:36 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
5573. Nomansland road
      Dear BorderFreaks (particulary Rolf) I found this interesting photo on Corbis.com:
      Feb 09, 2002 @ 15:11 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5574. Re: Dutch soil in the air
      To complicate the matter further, what if the airliner in question was leased from a party in a third country, such as GECAS in the United States? ... you. ...
      Feb 10, 2002 @ 00:21 - mls515.rm ("mls515.rm" <mls515@...>)
5575. Be sure to vote for new newsgroup: sci.geo.cartography
      The proposal and Call For Votes for newsgroup sci.geo.cartography can be seen on news:news.announce.newgroups or its archive, http://www.uvv.org/nan.html .
      Feb 10, 2002 @ 13:53 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
5576. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Off topic, but nice signs found on the net
      I live near the secret nuclear bunker. I must explain that this WAS a secret hidehole for parts of the British Government should a nuclear war brake out(being
      Feb 11, 2002 @ 07:46 - Bill Burke ("Bill Burke" <bill@lvstc.org.uk>)
5577. interlude
      chillin in crystal river & still reeling from a 3day binge of rabelaisian proportions for like so many of my otherwise innocent weedpointing tries this latest
      Feb 11, 2002 @ 15:49 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5578. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Photo of Mike and Bill
      ... thanx harry its my destiny cap m _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at
      Feb 11, 2002 @ 16:06 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5579. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Zoomable map of Southen Poland -> plua2lvpkzk
      ... found a discrepancy in the location of the ... glad to see all such points mentioned in this way peter & i know the search for international secondary
      Feb 11, 2002 @ 16:33 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5580. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 2 new tripoints in EUR ! soon to come!
      ... peter glad to see this the problem of what iso diglyph to use for montenegro may be as difficult as obtaining its independence in the first place usually
      Feb 11, 2002 @ 20:10 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5581. gthnsv ?
      http://www.ccu.umich.mx/mmaya/recorrido/reserva.html
      Feb 11, 2002 @ 20:17 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5582. Re: gthnsv ?
      From http://www.xmission.com/~wmc/ Perhaps ... From: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@egroups.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 9:17 PM Subject:
      Feb 11, 2002 @ 20:24 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
5583. US-Canada border: radio story archive
      Some interesting radio stories on the US-Canada border are hiding here: http://www.novascotia.cbc.ca/features/borderline/ Doug Doug Murray Productions
      Feb 12, 2002 @ 02:22 - Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com ("Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com" <dmurray@...>)
5584. RE: [BoundaryPoint] interlude
      I for one would cheer normal coherency. ... From: m donner [mailto:maxivan82@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 10:49 AM To:
      Feb 12, 2002 @ 04:36 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
5585. Strovilia in Cyprus
      Hello, does anyone have a map where you can see Strovilia, situated between the Eastern Sovereign Base Area (U.K.) at Dhekelia and the buffer zone? heres a
      Feb 12, 2002 @ 16:21 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <wertkauf@...>)
5586. ...and a second link...
      http://www.cyprus-mail.com/2000/July/6/news070603.htm
      Feb 12, 2002 @ 16:25 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <wertkauf@...>)
5587. Re: gthnsv ?
      yes jesper i think you probably hit it & indeed improved it not once but twice in a row here first to class d & then class a while you may recall the best
      Feb 12, 2002 @ 16:28 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5588. GePl Boundary at Frankfurt/O and Slubice
      Last week I paid a short visit to Berlin. Not liking travelling by coach, I took the train there, as usual. However, this was the first day-time passing of
      Feb 12, 2002 @ 16:39 - Pepijn Hendriks ("Pepijn Hendriks" <pepijnh@...>)
5589. Re: GePl Boundary at Frankfurt/O and Slubice
      ... first ... of ... I made this border crossing by train back in 1991. I clearly remember that on the Polish side of the bridge the German kilometre posts by
      Feb 13, 2002 @ 09:00 - strataflorida ("strataflorida" <dbirch@...>)
5590. crossing points
      still crystal river ... ahh but naturally brian you can feel how these streets run 1 way in opposite directions while for real success you will need to flow
      Feb 13, 2002 @ 18:01 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5591. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Zoomable map of Southen Poland -> plua2lvpkzk
      m donner wrote: (...)couldnt find marker 222 or the salient you mentioned tho(...) Well, I can t either, but I can see 221 and 223. It was just my logical (I
      Feb 14, 2002 @ 17:28 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
5592. Cyprus link
      Don t know if anyone has posted this site before, but it has some great pictures from Cyprus. And interesting information about the occupied areas.
      Feb 14, 2002 @ 17:43 - Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com ("Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com" <dmurray@...>)
5593. Re: GePl Boundary at Frankfurt/O and Slubice
      Pepijn Hendriks wrote: (...)Now on to my question: I m sure that there are people on this list who will have a detailed map displaying the course of the
      Feb 14, 2002 @ 18:04 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5594. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cyprus link
      Excellent site. He even went to the Korean border: http://www.qsl.net/ah6hy/korea.html Jesper ... From: Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com To:
      Feb 14, 2002 @ 20:20 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5595. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Zoomable map of Southen Poland -> plua2lvpkzk
      ... ok reading you much louder & clearer now peter thank you & still at least excellent but since you are raising to spectacular i must add now that the
      Feb 14, 2002 @ 22:52 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5596. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: GePl Boundary at Frankfurt/O and Slubice
      ... pepijn was right to be sure but the question remains what kind of water is it m _________________________________________________________________ Join the
      Feb 14, 2002 @ 23:21 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5597. Kazak-Uzbek border villages
      Someone was asking where the 2 villages on the Kaz-Uzb border were, that declarted independence as a protest over the boundary demarcation there. I have been
      Feb 15, 2002 @ 04:14 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <b.whyte@pgrad.unimelb.edu.au>)
5598. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Kazak-Uzbek border villages
      That was me asking for a map of the area. I have looked in my Atlas ( Atlas Avtomobil nih Dorog or something like that in Russian), and compared with your
      Feb 15, 2002 @ 13:32 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
5599. Re: Cyprus link
      no surprise to see the connections here really for birds of a feather do flock together it is cosmic law similarly whatever you think or say write notice
      Feb 15, 2002 @ 16:00 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5600. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cyprus link
      Good find! Perhaps we should invite him to BP? Doug ... From: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002
      Feb 16, 2002 @ 04:48 - Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com ("Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com" <dmurray@...>)
5601. Boundary tablet
      http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2001-12/27/content_214052.htm Does anyone know what a boundary tablet is , and what it looks like? Jesper
      Feb 16, 2002 @ 14:29 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5602. Re: Cyprus link
      ... definitely invite everyone in fact someone else also just blew in last night from nl another most welcome & timely arrival we are building it & we are
      Feb 16, 2002 @ 15:34 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5603. Re: Boundary tablet
      ... not really but i think the bit about the erection gives it away as probably just a crude translation for monument pillar post marker etc so if you dont get
      Feb 16, 2002 @ 15:40 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5604. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Boundary tablet
      Here s a picture and another story on the boundary tablet! http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200112/28/eng20011228_87622.shtml Doug ... From: acroorca2002 To:
      Feb 16, 2002 @ 15:58 - Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com ("Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com" <dmurray@...>)
5605. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Boundary tablet
      Same picture, another story! http://www.chinadaily.net/news/2001-12-28/49932.html ... From: acroorca2002 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday,
      Feb 16, 2002 @ 16:00 - Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com ("Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com" <dmurray@...>)
5606. Continental Borders
      Hallo All, I am new to this group, and the question I have has probably been asked before. Are the continental borders defined, i.e. Europa/Asia border across
      Feb 16, 2002 @ 16:07 - vandiest2000 ("vandiest2000" <franc@...>)
5607. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Boundary tablet
      great even bigger than i would have thought leaving crystal river now for www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=17&n=2781295&e=514100&s=200&symshow=n where you can see
      Feb 16, 2002 @ 16:11 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5608. Re: Boundary tablet
      oops no links now ahh modern living well try this then http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=17&n=2781295&e=514100&s=200&symshow= n ... crocodile ...
      Feb 16, 2002 @ 16:17 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5609. 43-24.jpg
      Can anyone figure out the flags? Jesper
      Feb 16, 2002 @ 18:32 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
5610. Re: Continental Borders
      dade city fl hi franc we have discussed this but your input is timely & gets to the whole question better than ever before i think it is fair to sum up our
      Feb 16, 2002 @ 18:59 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5611. SV: [BoundaryPoint] 43-24.jpg
      I forwarded the question to Flags of the World mailing list and got the following answer: Well, the yellow one is the Buddhist flag Thong Dhammacak,
      Feb 16, 2002 @ 23:05 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
5612. http://www.scottburns.com/Borderland/borderland.htm
      Link I found: http://www.scottburns.com/Borderland/borderland.htm -- http://www.geocities.com/jidanni/ Taiwan(04)25854780
      Feb 17, 2002 @ 05:10 - Dan Jacobson (Dan Jacobson <jidanni@...>)
5613. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Continental Borders II
      Hallo All, Anybody interested enough to define these borders as a group. I am prepared to put the results on a website to draw general reactions. What type of
      Feb 17, 2002 @ 07:08 - Franc Van Diest ("Franc Van Diest" <franc@vdiest.nl>)
5614. FW: Time
      Michael, This was sent to me by a friend. I don t know where it originated. Anyhow, it adds another four digits to your Feb. 20 palindrome. Enjoy. Jack
      Feb 18, 2002 @ 04:09 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
5615. Re: Kazak-Uzbek border villages
      Brendan Whyte wrote: Someone was asking where the 2 villages on the Kaz-Uzb border were, that declarted independence as a protest over the boundary
      Feb 18, 2002 @ 09:37 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5616. Re: Kazak-Uzbek border villages
      Latest news that I could find: GOVERNOR OF SOUTH KAZAKHSTAN IS NOT DEPORTING ETHNIC KAZAKHS FROM UZBEK-KAZAKH DISPUTED TERRITORIES TO KAZAKHSTAN The
      Feb 18, 2002 @ 09:54 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5617. Re: [BoundaryPoint] FW: Time
      That is pretty neat, but what about 21:12, 21/12, 2112 Doesn t this date also qualify? Anton Z ...
      Feb 18, 2002 @ 11:55 - Anton Florian Zeilinger ("Anton Florian Zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
5618. Border Stories -- Canada - US
      Hello all... I am continuing to develop my series on borders. On Friday I had a meeting with a production company here in Vancouver about my idea. They loved
      Feb 18, 2002 @ 16:13 - Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com ("Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com" <dmurray@...>)
5619. British Marines Storm Spanish Beach by Mistake as Residents Watch in Astonishment
      Feb 18, 2002 British Marines Storm Spanish Beach by Mistake as Residents Watch in Astonishment The Associated Press GIBRALTAR (AP) - The British military
      Feb 18, 2002 @ 20:10 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
5620. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border Stories -- Canada - US
      First, I want to mention the fact the most interesting second of all time was probably. 11:11:11 of 11/11/1111 will not be topped until 11111 AD. Then again,
      Feb 18, 2002 @ 20:22 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
5621. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Border Stories -- Canada - US
      escourt station, maine. escourt, quebec left hand side of the following web site... http://www.humanities-interactive.org/canadianborder/ there is also a
      Feb 18, 2002 @ 21:47 - Beckett, Bob ("Beckett, Bob" <Bob.Beckett@...>)
5622. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Kazak-Uzbek border villages
      Checked NIMA s GeoNet Names Server (www.nima.mil -- Maps and Geodata -- GeoNet), could only find Turkestan at 4008N 06538E under Uzbekistan. Thanks for your
      Feb 18, 2002 @ 23:58 - Ray Milefsky ("Ray Milefsky" <mrrayj@...>)
5623. Re: British Marines Storm Spanish Beach by Mistake as Residents Watch in Astonis
      ... BBC Radio 4 reported this amusingly as I was driving home tonight. The reporter finished with the phrase: ... this may serve to confirm the suspicion of
      Feb 19, 2002 @ 01:29 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5624. RE: [BoundaryPoint] FW: Time
      It surely would qualify, Anton, and you have earned the prize to be awarded on that date. Congratulations. Jack ... From: Anton Florian Zeilinger
      Feb 19, 2002 @ 03:59 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
5625. another palindromic date
      Anton, Arif and any others interested, Here is one that will come nine years after Anton s; 12:12 12/21 2121 Can anybody think of more of them? Jack
      Feb 19, 2002 @ 04:44 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
5626. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: British Marines Storm Spanish Beach by Mistake as Residents Watch in Astonis
      Telegraph | Personalise | Clipboard
      Feb 19, 2002 @ 13:36 - Bill Burke ("Bill Burke" <bill@...>)
5627. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border Stories -- Canada - US
      ... I don t think you re the only one. In the parts of Germany and the Netherlands where Carnival (Dutch _carnaval_, German _Karneval, Fasching, Fastnacht_) is
      Feb 19, 2002 @ 13:44 - Pepijn Hendriks ("Pepijn Hendriks" <pepijnh@...>)
5628. ongoing palindromic groundhog millennium multi try
      marathon thanx to all for the several interesting comments & additions to the 20 02 2002 2002 multipointing try & i wish we will all be present together at
      Feb 19, 2002 @ 15:32 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5629. RE: [BoundaryPoint] FW: Time
      ... Great, I m looking forward to it! (btw: on that day everone on bp will be invited, drinks on me!) Anton ...
      Feb 19, 2002 @ 16:25 - Anton Florian Zeilinger ("Anton Florian Zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
5630. Campione d'Italia borderwalk
      Colleagues, Inspired by the great master Eef Berns, I had the opportunity to make a short borderwalk of Campione d Italia on a recent visit to the area. I have
      Feb 19, 2002 @ 20:15 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
5631. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Campione d'Italia borderwalk
      Wow! Great site. Congratulations on all your hard work. Doug ... From: Ernst Stavro Blofeld To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 19,
      Feb 19, 2002 @ 20:24 - Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com ("Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com" <dmurray@...>)
5632. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Campione d'Italia borderwalk
      Why didn t you bring that border marker 10 home for a souvenir??? It would fit well in the trädgård!! Jesper ... From: Ernst Stavro Blofeld To:
      Feb 19, 2002 @ 20:57 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5633. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border Stories -- Canada - US
      I had a schoolmate, who boasted he was born on 11th November at 11.11. I thought offcourse he lied, but didn t tell him. Jesper ... From: Pepijn Hendriks To:
      Feb 19, 2002 @ 21:00 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5634. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ongoing palindromic groundhog millennium multi try
      Local Copenhagen 200220022002 event http://www.aok.dk/E/E/CPHDK/0001/16/92/ ... From: m donner To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Cc: rjh@mohawk.net Sent:
      Feb 19, 2002 @ 21:03 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5635. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ongoing palindromic groundhog millennium multi try
      Another great (perhaps symbolic) 20022002 CPH event: The great sale in the largest map office in Denmark. I wonder if I will meet Peter H there? Good chance.
      Feb 19, 2002 @ 21:05 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5636. a first sketchy report of possible electromagnetic phenomena
      because the lucky horseshoe actually does have a history of being lucky or at least of being thought of as being lucky especially by all those c47 pilots of
      Feb 19, 2002 @ 21:51 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5637. 11:11
      I also have been intrigued by 11:11 for some time. I just uploaded a photo (11-11.jpg) I took at 11:11 AM on November 11, 1972 at Nasson College in
      Feb 20, 2002 @ 02:22 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
5638. Border conflict solved
      today s edition of the _Berliner Zeitung_ reports on the solution of a border conflict between the Republic of Kazakhstan and a Hamburg based real estate
      Feb 20, 2002 @ 09:39 - Pepijn Hendriks ("Pepijn Hendriks" <pepijnh@...>)
5639. Post office with two national postcodes
      Some while ago, someone posted a picture or a link to a picture of a post office in an enclave which has two postcodes, one for the country it is technically
      Feb 20, 2002 @ 09:39 - Pepijn Hendriks ("Pepijn Hendriks" <pepijnh@...>)
5640. Re: Post office with two national postcodes
      Büsingen! Jesper
      Feb 20, 2002 @ 09:47 - jesniel ("jesniel" <jesniel@...>)
5641. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Post office with two national postcodes
      ... I tried Büsingen yesterday already, but couldn t find what I was looking for in the archive. Help! -Pepijn -- pepijnh@bigfoot.com --
      Feb 20, 2002 @ 10:28 - Pepijn Hendriks ("Pepijn Hendriks" <pepijnh@...>)
5642. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Post office with two national postcodes
      try baarle??????????? ... From: Pepijn Hendriks [mailto:pepijnh@gmx.net] Sent: 20 February 2002 10:29 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re:
      Feb 20, 2002 @ 10:57 - Bill Burke ("Bill Burke" <bill@...>)
5643. Re: Post office with two national postcodes
      No. Baarle-Hertog has one postal code (2387). Baarle-Nassau has Dutch postal codes. Because postal code areas in the Netherlands are very small (like in the
      Feb 20, 2002 @ 11:20 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5644. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Post office with two national postcodes
      ... It could very well be Büsingen. It was definitely not Baarle. I meant to say that I have tried several search strings, but couldn t get the archive to
      Feb 20, 2002 @ 11:24 - Pepijn Hendriks ("Pepijn Hendriks" <pepijnh@...>)
5645. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Post office with two national postcodes
      http://www.geocities.com/borderlandtv/photos_1.html Hi Pepijn. I think this is what you re looking for. Rolf
      Feb 20, 2002 @ 11:36 - Rolf Palmberg (Rolf Palmberg <rpalmber@...>)
5646. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Post office with two national postcodes
      ... It is! (Now I also know why I couldn t find it in the archive: it was never referred to on the list, but was part of Doug s Borderland TV page. Thanks for
      Feb 20, 2002 @ 11:58 - Pepijn Hendriks ("Pepijn Hendriks" <pepijnh@...>)
5647. Re: Post office with two national postcodes
      The following enclaves/exclaves have post codes from two countries, most also have two telephone area code prefixes: Buesingen Campione Kleinwalsertal (3
      Feb 20, 2002 @ 15:08 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
5648. first bp scholarship created etc
      happy pal hog millennium year day & moment & everything everyone as of 1001 hours marathon time we are still up in the air & winging it but also still havent
      Feb 20, 2002 @ 15:20 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5649. Re: Post office with two national postcodes
      lnadybal wrote: (...)With reference to the message below, the mail in Buesingen is handled by the German post office... mail from outside that is addressed to
      Feb 20, 2002 @ 15:32 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5650. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Post office with two national postcodes
      Hey! That looks familiar! Was I there? Were we there? Sniff. Memories... Doug ... From: Pepijn Hendriks To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday,
      Feb 20, 2002 @ 15:37 - Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com ("Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com" <dmurray@...>)
5651. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Post office with two national postcodes
      ... There seems to be something going on there all right. On you can get the following address for the KVBK (Koninklijke
      Feb 20, 2002 @ 17:25 - Pepijn Hendriks ("Pepijn Hendriks" <pepijnh@...>)
5652. Re: Campione d'Italia borderwalk
      ... I like the picture for post number 13. One of my other interests is Tintin and last year I went to Brussles, Belgium to see his hometown. The picture comes
      Feb 20, 2002 @ 17:44 - shocktm ("shocktm" <andrew@...>)
5653. Re: Post office with two national postcodes
      ... of ... Actully I think every US Navy ship, overseas US Base, and Embassy has a US based postal address. They use the state codes of AA, AE, and AP. AA is
      Feb 20, 2002 @ 17:53 - shocktm ("shocktm" <andrew@...>)
5654. Re: Border conflict solved
      ... embassy ... country? We ... entire ... told by ... Embassies are jurisctical enclaves that are goverend by the Treaty of Vienna and agreements between the
      Feb 20, 2002 @ 18:09 - shocktm ("shocktm" <andrew@...>)
5655. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Post office with two national postcodes
      ... There are also areas which are not enclaves/exclaves which have more than one telephone area code prefixes. The airport Basel/Mulhouse is such an example.
      Feb 20, 2002 @ 18:15 - Manfred Haertel (Manfred Haertel <Manfred.Haertel@...>)
5656. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Border conflict solved
      it is mentioned below, so i will ask about it. what is the status of the united nations in new york city? it has its own stamp, yet is uses the currency of the
      Feb 20, 2002 @ 18:23 - Beckett, Bob ("Beckett, Bob" <Bob.Beckett@...>)
5657. Time flies
      This message was posted on 20-02-2002 20:02:02 UTC that is....... I used a radio controlled clock to be sure. A timestamp for eternity! gl Harry ten Veen
      Feb 20, 2002 @ 19:02 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
5658. Happy 200220022002
      
      Feb 20, 2002 @ 19:02 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5659. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Time flies
      Time flies and e-mails fly! This message was received in my mailbox after travelling all over the world at 20-02-2002 20:04. The delay time in all those
      Feb 20, 2002 @ 19:18 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
5660. & cheese divination too
      well it is final we have no airplane so the flying will have to be done entirely mentally this time but the fresh omen at grantair this time around turns out
      Feb 20, 2002 @ 19:38 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5661. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Happy 200220022002
      Should auld border crossings be forgot, And never brought to mind? etc. ... From: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday,
      Feb 20, 2002 @ 20:19 - Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com ("Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com" <dmurray@...>)
5662. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Happy 200220022002
      this is a keeper jesper & youve done it right here at multi central where it matters most m ... Happy 200220022002 ...
      Feb 20, 2002 @ 21:10 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5663. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Time flies
      not bad either harry i like your second hand too m ... _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail
      Feb 20, 2002 @ 21:12 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5664. Camp Zeist
      The trial and appeal of the alleged Lockerbie bombers is taking place in Camp Zeist. If my memory is correct this site, a former dutch military base, was
      Feb 20, 2002 @ 21:30 - Bramwell Hayes (=?iso-8859-1?q?Bramwell=20Hayes?= <bramwellhayes@...>)
5665. blastoff & afterbirth days
      thats ok jesper i really do think i blasted off immediately following 765am on 43 02 01 m & arif as for the day after your birthday i agree that is a very
      Feb 20, 2002 @ 21:35 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5666. Re: [BoundaryPoint] blastoff & afterbirth days
      765am? Interesting Mike Jesper ... From: m donner To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 10:35 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint]
      Feb 20, 2002 @ 21:40 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5667. RE: [BoundaryPoint] FW: Time
      islamorada your date does qualify for something special anton & your prize & article are much appreciated too jack while it should probably be underscored
      Feb 20, 2002 @ 21:52 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5668. momentpointing
      ... the most interesting ... true yet one probably never happened & the other probably never will m & what we have coming this evening is practically tangible
      Feb 20, 2002 @ 22:03 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5669. Re: [BoundaryPoint] blastoff & afterbirth days
      yes jesper thank you glad you noticed m ... _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print
      Feb 20, 2002 @ 22:06 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5670. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Happy 200220022002
      ... yes i think that is an idea whose time is overdue m _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN
      Feb 20, 2002 @ 22:10 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5671. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 11:11
      ... space yes i agree but i myself usually find that attention to time is attention to lack so unless i am expressly goofing around with momentpointing tries
      Feb 20, 2002 @ 22:17 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5672. new member and point roberts, WA
      hello boundary point! what a joy to discover fellow geography maniacs. for years i thought i was alone in my obsession with enclaves/exclaves, micronations,
      Feb 20, 2002 @ 23:35 - timothykiser ("timothykiser" <timothykiser@...>)
5673. Re: [BoundaryPoint] new member and point roberts, WA
      Welcome Tim! As an equally obsessed fan of Point Roberts (I live about 45 minutes away in Vancouver), I bid you welcome. There is a link to my site on PR from
      Feb 21, 2002 @ 00:10 - Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com ("Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com" <dmurray@...>)
5674. Re: new member and point roberts, WA
      Welcome, Tim! It s always great to hear the reaction of boundary freaks when they find others with the same affliction. Also, I like your style...reminiscent
      Feb 21, 2002 @ 00:17 - bumpa50_1999 ("bumpa50_1999" <hanrahan@...>)
5675. Re: [BoundaryPoint] new member and point roberts, WA
      welcome tim & thanx for enjoying us & now that we are down to zero hour of our multipointing try here which i am glad you are joining in progress i have run up
      Feb 21, 2002 @ 00:21 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5676. Re: new member and point roberts, WA
      wow our first bp multi welcome m ... longer ... happier ... minutes ... thought ... and ... feature ... http://messenger.msn.com
      Feb 21, 2002 @ 00:24 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5677. correction
      the resounding bit in key largo is fine but that shadow part was silly for i really dont want to cast a shadow quite the opposite only to lighten up & get lit
      Feb 21, 2002 @ 00:38 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5678. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Camp Zeist
      ... I would hesitate to call it an enclave as Scotland only has it for a limited time. It seems to me to be more of a area of extra-territorality like an
      Feb 21, 2002 @ 00:56 - Andrew T. Patton ("Andrew T. Patton" <andrew@...>)
5679. Is This Palindormic Moment?
      Let s see if I can hit 20:02. BJB
      Feb 21, 2002 @ 01:01 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
5680. Not Quite, So How About This?
      
      Feb 21, 2002 @ 01:02 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
5681. Vatican
      Mentioning areas of extra-territortality I remembered reading a story yesterday that s of interest to all of us. An Italian judge threw out a case against the
      Feb 21, 2002 @ 01:01 - Andrew T. Patton ("Andrew T. Patton" <andrew@...>)
5682. And The Moment Has Passed, At Least Here
      
      Feb 21, 2002 @ 01:04 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
5683. Re: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Camp Zeist
      Camp Zeist home page w/map http://www.figi.nl/kampzeist/index-en.html -Andrew -- Andrew T. Patton WWW: http://www.AndrewPatton.com Fairfax,
      Feb 21, 2002 @ 01:05 - Andrew T. Patton ("Andrew T. Patton" <andrew@...>)
5684. Re: [BoundaryPoint] And The Moment Has Passed, At Least Here
      I managed to capture the moment on video... Here is a shot of Toronto s Cable Pulse 24 News channel -- with a special report on the palindrome... I also have a
      Feb 21, 2002 @ 01:19 - Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com ("Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com" <dmurray@stockphotosonline.com>)
5685. Ukr/Mol
      Anyone interested in current Ukrainian mapping of the Moldovan border, re earlier msgs of enclaves etc, should check out www.omnimap.com. They have just
      Feb 21, 2002 @ 01:28 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <b.whyte@...>)
5686. Dual Postcodes
      Earlier today, I promised some post codes: Buesingen (CH) 8238 (D) ----- was 7701 (looking for the new one) Campione (I) 22060 (CH) 6911 Jungholz (A) 6691 (D)
      Feb 21, 2002 @ 03:13 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
5687. Letter - Büsingen-Campione-Büsingen-New York-Frankfurt
      I just posted a photo of a postal cover I hope some of you find interesting. I mailed it some years ago from Büsingen to my wife at general delivery in
      Feb 21, 2002 @ 04:16 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
5688. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Is This Palindormic Moment?
      You got it on this one!!! ... From: bjbutlerus [mailto:bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 8:02 PM To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
      Feb 21, 2002 @ 04:39 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
5689. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Strovilia in Cyprus
      Strovilla: http://www.un.org/Depts/Cartographic/map/dpko/unficyp.pdf Jesper ... From: chris schulz To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February
      Feb 21, 2002 @ 06:36 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5690. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Strovilia in Cyprus
      thank you, but i have a little problem. maybe im blind, but i cant find strovilia on the map. i add a detail of the map. bye, chris ... From: Jesper &
      Jan 24, 2002 @ 11:13 - chris ("chris" <wertkauf@gmx.net>)
5691. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Time flies
      Sorry, Sorry ... UTC should be CET (Central European Time). My clock is on UTC; that caused the mistake. Harry ==================================== This
      Feb 21, 2002 @ 13:49 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
5692. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Camp Zeist
      My site has one picture: http://leden.tref.nl/~veenhh/borderland.htm enter BorderLand, choose European find Scottish Court as last on the next page; click on
      Feb 21, 2002 @ 13:57 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
5693. the portent in key largo
      so with all that buildup i actually did have an interesting moment as 801pm became 802pm for i was standing in front of an atm earnestly doing my bit to bag my
      Feb 21, 2002 @ 15:32 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5694. Link: Maps etc
      Here is an interesting link to magazine focused on maps, geography and discovery. Sounds perfect for all of us! http://www.mercatormag.com/index.phtml Doug
      Feb 21, 2002 @ 15:48 - Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com ("Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com" <dmurray@...>)
5695. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Strovilia in Cyprus
      I also had a detail of the map. Check upper right corner, and follow blue line. Jesper ... From: chris To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday,
      Feb 21, 2002 @ 16:06 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
5696. Re: Post office with two national postcodes
      Pepijn Hendriks wrote: There seems to be something going on there all right.(...) But it *is* sent to a normal PO Box with its normal postcode. It must be
      Feb 21, 2002 @ 17:50 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5697. Historic Canada-US border photos (links)
      Interesting historic photos along the Alaska-Canada border: http://www.photolib.noaa.gov/historic/c&gs/theb1632.htm
      Feb 21, 2002 @ 19:22 - Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com ("Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com" <dmurray@...>)
5698. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border Stories -- Canada - US
      if you think point roberts is big then dont forget the always forgotten akwesasne at st regis quebec which is both its exact equivalent & opposite
      Feb 21, 2002 @ 20:09 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5699. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Dual Postcodes
      ... New postal code Büsingen is 78266. During the GCEBE the friendly lady at the postoffice, after neatly cancelling a stamp on a picture postcard I sent
      Feb 21, 2002 @ 21:57 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
5700. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Dual Postcodes
      Do you also remember the friendly lady at the townhall? Jesper ... From: Harry ten Veen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002
      Feb 21, 2002 @ 22:00 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5701. I'll have some crow with this humble pie, please
      ... of the ... Your empty bank account could have been recharged a little if you d taken me up on my offer of a bet re the enclave status of St Pierre &
      Feb 21, 2002 @ 22:02 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5702. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Dual Postcodes
      Why do you think I bought that un-interesting customs treaty? Harry
      Feb 21, 2002 @ 22:38 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
5703. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Continental Borders
      ... Dag Franc en natuurlijk welkom bij BP! Just this evening I saw a program on German TV (NDR) on the Trans Siberia Express. At kilometer 1777 the train
      Feb 21, 2002 @ 23:24 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
5704. Re: Is This Palindormic Moment?
      ... Very interesting. The general posting to the discussion group was at 8:01 but your personal message was sent at 8:02. So the program running on the
      Feb 21, 2002 @ 23:45 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
5705. US/Can boundary photos
      For US/Canada border photos see National Film Board of Canada, 1976, Between Friends/Entre Amis , published by McClelland & Stewart Ltd on the occassion of
      Feb 22, 2002 @ 00:00 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <b.whyte@...>)
5706. Re: I'll have some crow with this humble pie, please
      Grant Hutchison wrote: (...)But the StP&M EEZ gets enclaved like this: although it is 200nm long, pointing due south, and more southerly than any EEZ arising
      Feb 21, 2002 @ 22:12 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5707. RE: [BoundaryPoint] US/Can boundary photos
      I ve got an unsigned copy that I obtained from a forgotten out-of-print dealer. Highly recommended. Bill ... From: Brendan Whyte
      Feb 22, 2002 @ 00:43 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
5708. Backwater Backlog
      Did you notice the name of the crematorium where they recently got somewhat behind in their work? Tri-State Crematory Marsh Vault & Grave, near ALGATN. Here
      Feb 22, 2002 @ 01:34 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
5709. RE: [BoundaryPoint] US/Can boundary photos
      bill, this is a great book. i first saw it in a bookstore in corner brook, newfoundland soon after it was published. i did not buy it for a variety of reason.
      Feb 22, 2002 @ 02:04 - Beckett, Bob ("Beckett, Bob" <Bob.Beckett@...>)
5710. RE: [BoundaryPoint] US/Can boundary photos
      Bob, I purchased the book a couple of years ago online...I couldn t believe that it only cost me $12US! I regard it as a must have ...I can t tell you how
      Feb 22, 2002 @ 02:10 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
5711. Two national telephone area codes
      Hyder, Alaska, USA is that way, with children going to school in nearby British Columbia, Canada. Even though the U.S. and Canada technically have the same
      Feb 22, 2002 @ 05:42 - Brendan (Brendan <pithokie@...>)
5712. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Strovilia in Cyprus
      hi, finally with help from rolf i found it. thank you. bye, chris ... . From: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday,
      Jan 25, 2002 @ 07:49 - chris ("chris" <wertkauf@...>)
5713. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Strovilia in Cyprus
      ups, saw this posting to late, thanks again. bye, chris ... From: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 21,
      Jan 25, 2002 @ 07:51 - chris ("chris" <wertkauf@...>)
5714. Re: Dual Postcodes
      I posted it in the photos - on my group screen there s a menu at the left and below files a link to photos. I cna only presume you see the same screen as I
      Feb 22, 2002 @ 15:02 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
5715. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: I'll have some crow with this humble pie, please
      gorgeous news i drink old crow grant & the bank account actually grew fortyfold from all that cheese divination & nice question peter & both very timely
      Feb 22, 2002 @ 16:00 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5716. Re: Continental Borders
      franc & harry this is part of the long series of obelisks along the ural crest for which & related continent identifying matters please see messages 2431 2439
      Feb 22, 2002 @ 16:51 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5717. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Backwater Backlog
      what does this mean tristate pointing is dead dang i missed ilmiwi & mimnwi m ... _________________________________________________________________ Send and
      Feb 22, 2002 @ 16:55 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5718. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Campione d'Italia borderwalk
      yes mats i would like to rhap on this too gorgeous rocks & area & congrats on the opus too but i think it was really hard play & so even better than work &
      Feb 22, 2002 @ 18:48 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5719. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Two national telephone area codes
      Here s some info I found about Stewart-Hyder: Stewart, BC (pop 650) and Hyder, Alaska (pop 102) are an example of borders uniting rather than dividing. Here,
      Feb 22, 2002 @ 19:24 - Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com ("Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com" <dmurray@...>)
5720. Enclave article published
      My piece on enclaves has finally seen the light of day in the current (50th) edition of Wanderlust magazine, under the title Foreign Parts (geddit?).
      Feb 22, 2002 @ 19:26 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5721. new heights of library & weed trypointing
      from an undisclosed location in the keys inspired by our own recent magnificent tries to visit the global geopolitical maxipoint &or its nearby lucky horseshoe
      Feb 22, 2002 @ 20:21 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5722. Re: Enclave article published
      ... current ... well then congrats upon this milestone of embedment &or unimbedment if exclaves too under the title Foreign ... i do but then are these
      Feb 22, 2002 @ 20:35 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5723. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Campione d'Italia borderwalk
      I am also interested in Tintin and thus like the picture. The Tintin books involve lots of border crossings and maps are quite important in the books and show
      Feb 23, 2002 @ 03:21 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
5724. Christmas Quiz 2001 - Answers
      Dear Colleagues, The answers to last year s Christmas Quiz. As there were no entries, no prize will be awarded. The Quiz & Answers Q 1 The International Date
      Feb 23, 2002 @ 08:27 - Bernhard Lurssen (Bernhard Lurssen <tardis@...-net.de>)
5725. topomaps covering Hungarian tripoints
      Hello everybody, I just bought some Hungarian topomaps, covering all the tripoints to be visited by the GEEBE expedition in July.. here are maps of tp
      Feb 23, 2002 @ 14:01 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
5726. Re: [BoundaryPoint] topomaps covering Hungarian tripoints
      hi peter nice to see these tripoints paired looks like 2 more thalweg junctions too is there any intention of boating or swimming for it m ...
      Feb 23, 2002 @ 15:37 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5727. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Christmas Quiz 2001 - Answers
      bernhard it is you who deserve the prize a great prize for creating & serving us this jovial & satyrical banquet m ...
      Feb 23, 2002 @ 15:48 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5728. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Christmas Quiz 2001 - Answers
      Thank you Michael. Though - I meant to post it to the int-boundary list of course... Bernhard
      Feb 23, 2002 @ 17:46 - Bernhard Lurssen (Bernhard Lurssen <tardis@...-net.de>)
5729. dkh
      dkh means Denmark, highest point http://www.skanderborg-tourism.dk/stf34.htm It s no joke. Jesper
      Feb 23, 2002 @ 17:47 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5730. GCEBE Documentary Trailer
      Dearest Border Freaks: I have finally posted the trailer (long commercial) for the GCEBE documentary. It is very rough (some poor audio and video levels), but
      Feb 23, 2002 @ 19:56 - Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com ("Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com" <dmurray@...>)
5731. Re: dkh
      ... Thanks for this! Can you provide a translation/summary of the text? As someone who keeps note of the highest points of countries, I m always interested in
      Feb 24, 2002 @ 01:17 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5732. Re: Enclave article published
      ... What, you mean *apart* from me? ... I dunno. Not while the current issue is in print. Thereafter, well ... usually the magazine purchases only first
      Feb 24, 2002 @ 01:27 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5733. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: dkh
      Ejer Bavnehøj and Yding Skovhøj The height Ejer Bavnehøj (171 meters above sea level) is considered Denmark s hightest point, as the nearby Yding Skovhøj
      Feb 24, 2002 @ 02:03 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5734. railway station right on border!
      Dear BP members, a friend of mine sent me a very interesting link to a homepage you MUST visit; it s a railway station that is divided by the Czech- German
      Feb 24, 2002 @ 14:47 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
5735. 2 more Hung. topomaps on tripoints
      Interested in tripoints...? Here are two more Hungarian tripoints: 1- Hungary-Croatia-Slovenia + 2- Hungary-Croatia-Yugoslavia(Serbia) see attachments...
      Feb 24, 2002 @ 14:54 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
5736. Re: I'll have some crow with this humble pie, please
      Dear Peter, ... The normal baseline for measuring the breadth of the territorial sea and other maritime zones is the low water line along the coast as marked
      Feb 24, 2002 @ 15:13 - Martin Pratt ("Martin Pratt" <m.a.pratt@...>)
5737. Re: dkh
      Jesper: Ejer Bavnehøj and Yding Skovhøj (...) Thanks very much for this, and for sending me the additional URL at
      Feb 24, 2002 @ 23:08 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5738. German Exclave in the Vatican
      I just posted a photo from a 1972 article I ve saved for years that pictures the Camp Santo Teutonico which is surrounded by the building that houses the
      Feb 24, 2002 @ 23:24 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
5739. Re: [BoundaryPoint] German Exclave in the Vatican
      Hello, a few years ago I visited the Camposanto Teutonico and attended mass there. Everything there is German , i.e. signs, missals, etc. It is however not
      Feb 25, 2002 @ 14:15 - Anton Florian Zeilinger ("Anton Florian Zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
5740. Re: German Exclave in the Vatican
      ... Calling it an exclave is a bit of overstating. It is not a sovereign piece of Germany but most likely an administratively part of a German archdiocese.
      Feb 25, 2002 @ 14:27 - shocktm ("shocktm" <andrew@...>)
5741. Re: German Exclave in the Vatican
      In a reply to my question about German cemetary in the Vatican, Andrew replied: There are no enclaves/exclaves within the Vatican or Vatican exclaves/enclaves
      Feb 25, 2002 @ 16:03 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
5742. Vatican Issues
      Hi Folks, While I haven t been contributing much to BP lately, I have been reading everything that s coming along. I ve been rushing in the past couple of
      Feb 25, 2002 @ 16:32 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
5743. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Christmas Quiz 2001 - Answers
      ... hahahahaha then you mean we olympians here at bp ate that whole thing even tho it was really concocted & intended only for those other divines on mount joy
      Feb 25, 2002 @ 17:06 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5744. Re: topomaps covering Hungarian tripoints
      Mmm... Looks like hue is not huroua... Peter S.
      Feb 25, 2002 @ 17:18 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5745. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: dkh
      why are manmade works considered unnatural in highpointing arent they there too i can understand ok why manmade works shouldnt affect preexising boundaries but
      Feb 25, 2002 @ 17:28 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5746. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: dkh
      There are probably buildings in DK higher than these hills. Jesper ... From: m donner To: Sent:
      Feb 25, 2002 @ 17:32 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5747. Re: Vatican Issues
      Dallen Timothy wrote: (...)1) The Vatican Radio transmitter is located entirely within contiguous Vatican City territory--it is not any form of exclave.
      Feb 25, 2002 @ 17:42 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5748. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 2 more Hung. topomaps on tripoints
      ... hahaha you coy fellow i know it is sometimes hard to tell if anyone is interested in tripoints any more around here what with the blizzards of seemingly
      Feb 25, 2002 @ 17:47 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5749. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: dkh
      ... then if it was me trying for dkh i would climb the highest of these buildings instead & it seems to me that not doing so is just like imagining that a
      Feb 25, 2002 @ 17:57 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5750. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 2 more Hung. topomaps on tripoints
      I would just like to comment on hrhusi. Hr and SI has signed a new border treaty, but Croatia is hesitant ratifying it. So, so far we are stuck with this
      Feb 25, 2002 @ 17:58 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5751. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: reply to Peter S.
      Right, Peter S., the actual tp HuRoUa is most probably situated betw. 100-150 metres NW of the easternmost point of Hungary - but it s very close - we gonna
      Feb 25, 2002 @ 18:02 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
5752. Re: I'll have some crow with this humble pie, please
      Martin Pratt wrote: The normal baseline for measuring the breadth of the territorial sea and other maritime zones is the low water line along the coast as
      Feb 25, 2002 @ 18:35 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5753. N274 handed over to the Germans
      Today in the news: part of the Dutch N274 between Koningsbosch and Schinveld has been handed back to Germany. This road was built on Dutch territory when it
      Feb 25, 2002 @ 19:44 - Pepijn Hendriks ("Pepijn Hendriks" <pepijnh@...>)
5754. Re: [BoundaryPoint] N274 handed over to the Germans
      ... Another German document regarding the transfer, this time a press release from the Federal Foreign Office:
      Feb 25, 2002 @ 19:57 - Pepijn Hendriks ("Pepijn Hendriks" <pepijnh@...>)
5755. Re: German Exclave in the Vatican
      ... Every time I have found a definition of the Vatican I usually see something what is at the CIA World Factbook web site which states : That the Vatican is
      Feb 25, 2002 @ 20:08 - shocktm ("shocktm" <andrew@...>)
5756. Re: Campione d'Italia borderwalk
      ... With the story The Blue Lotus , Herge began to write his stories with emphisis on details. For example the advertising shown in the background in the The
      Feb 25, 2002 @ 20:13 - shocktm ("shocktm" <andrew@...>)
5757. Re: N274 handed over to the Germans
      Pepijn Hendriks wrote: (...)(Rijkswaterstaat) remained responsible for maintaining the road. German police couldn t fine speeders, since they had no way of
      Feb 25, 2002 @ 20:38 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5758. Disagreement as to what an exclave is.
      ... I guess the acid test of whether the transmitter sight is a true exclave is to determine whether the Vatican could cede a portion of the site to Iran or
      Feb 25, 2002 @ 21:22 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
5759. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Enclave article published
      I ve just read your article in Wanderlust. It s very interesting. Congratulations for a good work! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Christian Berghänel Sweden
      Feb 25, 2002 @ 22:01 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
5760. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] Enclave article published
      ... Thank you, sir. Grant
      Feb 25, 2002 @ 22:16 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5761. Re: dkh
      ... Much debate over this in Scotland. A notorious case involved a forty-foot cairn erected on top of Ben Lawers by some Victorian landowner, solely in order
      Feb 25, 2002 @ 22:42 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5762. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: N274 handed over to the Germans
      ... Would this mean that the treaty, now officially signed, is now sent on to the parliaments of both countries to be ratified? We should keep an eye open on
      Feb 26, 2002 @ 09:15 - Pepijn Hendriks ("Pepijn Hendriks" <pepijnh@...>)
5763. Re: [BoundaryPoint] N274 handed over to the Germans
      ... Yet more articles, this time from the German _Aachener Zeitung_:
      Feb 26, 2002 @ 09:41 - Pepijn Hendriks ("Pepijn Hendriks" <pepijnh@...>)
5764. Point Roberts Article
      An interesting story on the Point Roberts border from their community newspaper (which also serves Delta, BC): http://www.allpointbulletin.com/front_page1.html
      Feb 26, 2002 @ 15:39 - Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com ("Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com" <dmurray@...>)
5765. More Point Roberts
      Here s another link, to the PR Chamber of Commerce. There is a link to the history of the border crossing with old pictures. Nice tent! Doug Doug Murray
      Feb 26, 2002 @ 15:45 - Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com ("Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com" <dmurray@...>)
5766. Re: [BoundaryPoint] More Point Roberts
      And the link? ... From: Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 4:45 PM Subject:
      Feb 26, 2002 @ 17:01 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5767. Re: German Exclave in the Vatican
      I’ve found the text of the Lateran treaty on the net. It clarifies the status of the extraterritorial possessions.The adress is:
      Feb 26, 2002 @ 17:30 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
5768. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Digest Number 615
      Peter: if you can get your hands on George M. Cole s Water Boundaries (John Wiley & Sons, 1997; ISBN 0-471-17929-9) I think you ll find much of what you re
      Feb 26, 2002 @ 17:57 - Martin Pratt ("Martin Pratt" <m.a.pratt@...>)
5769. Re: [BoundaryPoint] More Point Roberts
      Whoops! http://www.pointrobertschamber.com/home/BorderStory.htm Doug ... From: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday,
      Feb 26, 2002 @ 18:14 - Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com ("Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com" <dmurray@...>)
5770. Re: German Exclave in the Vatican
      ... From a reading of this text, Is the Papal Palace of Castel Gandolfo and enclave of the Vatican City State ??? Gerard
      Feb 26, 2002 @ 18:12 - gerardkeating ("gerardkeating" <gerard@...>)
5771. Re: German Exclave in the Vatican
      Let me repeat what I said in msg. 3894: The exterritorial areas of the Vatican under the Lateran Treaty of 1929 are very interesting indeed. I posted several
      Feb 26, 2002 @ 18:57 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5772. Re: German Exclave in the Vatican
      Anyone that can read Italian quicker than I can (which is at the pace of an Italian traffic jam) may find some interesting information here:
      Feb 26, 2002 @ 19:26 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5773. Re: German Exclave in the Vatican
      ... clarifies ... Gandolfo ... The key articles are #3, #13-16. Article 3 indicates that Italy recognizes the full ownership, exclusive dominion, and
      Feb 26, 2002 @ 19:29 - shocktm ("shocktm" <andrew@...>)
5774. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: dkh
      ... There is a nice film on such a subject: A gentleman who went up a hill and came down a mountain. gl Harry ten Veen
      Feb 26, 2002 @ 21:15 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
5775. Vatican - Not Leteran Art. 14, but 4.
      I think the important part you all missed is at the front of the treaty, at Article 4: Italy recognizes the full ownership, exclusive dominion, and sovereign
      Feb 26, 2002 @ 21:38 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
5776. I meant Article 3, not 4, in my last msg
      ... Finish the quote from this Article - you left off the jewels. Len
      Feb 26, 2002 @ 21:41 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
5777. Vatican Exclave map link was too long-
      In my previous msg, I had a link - it wrapped to two lines, and is therefore not going to work. You ll have to type it in manually. LN ... Vatican ...
      Feb 26, 2002 @ 21:43 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
5778. Vatican Exclave map link was too long-
      In my previous msg, I had a link - it wrapped to two lines, and is therefore not going to work. You ll have to type it in manually. LN ... Vatican ...
      Feb 26, 2002 @ 21:44 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
5779. Re: Vatican - Not Leteran Art. 14, but 4.
      My English is not that good that I know what appurtenances and endowments are supposed to mean in this context, so I believe your explanation immediately. Just
      Feb 26, 2002 @ 21:58 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5780. Re: [BoundaryPoint] I meant Article 3, not 4, in my last msg
      ... The part I did not put in appurtenances and endowments which you describe in a later message as ... To me appurtenances and endowments means to me the
      Feb 26, 2002 @ 23:21 - Andrew T. Patton ("Andrew T. Patton" <andrew@...>)
5781. Closure on the Vatican
      Hi. I don t think we have a disagreement - I m just engaging in open thinking rather than internal ruminating about it, trying to logically come to a
      Feb 27, 2002 @ 02:37 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
5782. has anyone ever seen this site?
      http://www.geocaching.com/ I came upon it today when looking for something else. Some of the geocaches are located at corners and tripoints!
      Feb 27, 2002 @ 03:58 - Brendan (Brendan <pit.hokie@...>)
5783. Yugoslav exclave in London
      Hi, I don t know if this has been discussed before: Being interested in the various royal families of Europe I found the homepage of the Serbian royal family
      Feb 27, 2002 @ 10:27 - anton_zeilinger ("anton_zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
5784. Potential wet Italian exclave
      Here s a lovely example of how non-median international boundaries can have counterintuitive results. The attached JPG is a map of the EEZ boundaries between
      Feb 27, 2002 @ 18:16 - Grant Hutchison (Grant Hutchison <granthutchison@blueyonder.co.uk>)
5785. Virginia/DC Information
      I was going through my archive of messages and found this one which may be of interest to other. I found the section about annexation interesting. It does not
      Feb 27, 2002 @ 18:50 - shocktm ("shocktm" <andrew@...>)
5786. Re: German Exclave in the Vatican
      ... Very interesting link, Peter. I think the most interesting part is the “L. 27 maggio 1929, n. 810. - Esecuzione del Trattato, dei quattro allegati
      Feb 27, 2002 @ 19:17 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
5787. Boundary markers in danger?
      The PSC ( catalan socialist party ) has suggested to the spanish parliament to replace the annual boundary markers revision, regulated by the Pyrinnees treaty,
      Feb 27, 2002 @ 19:20 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
5788. Re: Yugoslav exclave in London
      anton_zeilinger wrote: (...)I don t know if this has been discussed before: Being interested in the various royal families of Europe I found the homepage of
      Feb 27, 2002 @ 19:52 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5789. Re: German Exclave in the Vatican
      Marcel Miquel wrote: (...)If my traslation is correct, all the pieces named in the art. 13 ( st Giovanni, Sta. Maria Maggiori, St. Paolo, San Calisto) , art.
      Feb 27, 2002 @ 20:08 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5790. Re: German Exclave in the Vatican
      ... There is one interesting site you might want to take a look at: http://www.globalgeografia.com/europa/vaticano_curiosita.htm A direct link to one of the
      Feb 27, 2002 @ 20:39 - blofeld_es ("blofeld_es" <blofeld_es@...>)
5791. Re: German Exclave in the Vatican
      Now this is brilliant! Some remarks: It looks like when the Pope Paul VI hall was built, the part on Italian soil wasn t just transfered to Vatican City, but
      Feb 27, 2002 @ 20:47 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5792. Re: Virginia/DC Information
      Hi. What retrocession of territory could you be referring to? A reattachment of some piece of land onto the District s territory that it had earlier given
      Feb 28, 2002 @ 00:54 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
5793. Vatican bibliography
      For information on the Holy See and SMOM, try: Toschi, Umberto (1931), The Vatican city State from the point of view of political geography , in the journal
      Feb 28, 2002 @ 01:30 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <b.whyte@...>)
5794. Agents Find Tunnel Under U.S.-Mexico Border; Say It Was Used to Smuggle Drugs, Immigrants
      Feb 27, 2002 Agents Find Tunnel Under U.S.-Mexico Border; Say It Was Used to Smuggle Drugs, Immigrants The Associated Press SAN DIEGO (AP) - Authorities have
      Feb 28, 2002 @ 03:52 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
5795. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Agents Find Tunnel Under U.S.-Mexico Border; Say It Was Used to Smuggle Drugs, Immigrants
      More details on this cool story: http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/02/27/mexico.tunnel/ ... From: Bill Hanrahan To: BoundaryPoint Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002
      Feb 28, 2002 @ 04:06 - Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com ("Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com" <dmurray@...>)
5796. Vennbahn Freight Shipment to German Exclave
      I just posted a scan at Photos of a card I found two weeks ago at a local stamp and coin show. It s a postcard sent from Monschau post office by Vennbahn
      Feb 28, 2002 @ 04:53 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
5797. Re: German Exclave in the Vatican
      ... I agree: it s a great site! Thanks Mats. For the first time we can see the original vatican map. I hope soon we ll have a map of the extraterritorial bits.
      Feb 28, 2002 @ 20:00 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
5798. Re: German Exclave in the Vatican
      Marcel Miquel wrote: (...)After reading this site and other informations, I think that Sant Offizio was an extraterritorial zone contiguous to the vatican
      Feb 28, 2002 @ 20:14 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5799. Hoefen am Vennbahn
      Len, Hoefen is 2km SSE of Monschau. just to the east of the Perlenbach River which flows north to meet the Rur a tad SW of Monschau. It s a fairly dispersed
      Feb 28, 2002 @ 23:53 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <b.whyte@...>)
5800. Re: Hoefen am Vennbahn
      Hi. Thanks for ID ing Hoefen. It was just off the map I looked at, and cropped off the online maps I posted. As I looked more deeply at the postcard I posted
      Mar 01, 2002 @ 03:26 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
5801. One Whole Day & No Messages?
      Hard to believe. Did everyone else find the same thing? LN
      Mar 02, 2002 @ 03:11 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
5802. File - GEEBE-itin.English (1).doc
      File : GEEBE-itin.English (1).doc Description : GEEBE Proposed Itinerary: July 1-8, 2002
      Mar 02, 2002 @ 05:11 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com (BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com )
5803. File - geebemap2.jpg
      File : geebemap2.jpg Description : GEEBE 2002 Route Map
      Mar 02, 2002 @ 05:11 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com (BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com )
5804. "New" bylt boundary islet
      The Lithuanian Geographic Map 1:50.000 is now publish on cd rom, in 135 map sheet. The main topographic features, administrative boundaries are presented in
      Mar 02, 2002 @ 11:35 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@yahoo.no>)
5805. Bad news
      My computer started burning yesterday for some reason. It is only a wire if I am not mistaken and not the drives or anything, so I should be able to fix it,
      Mar 02, 2002 @ 16:09 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
5806. Re: [BoundaryPoint] File - geebemap2.jpg
      How many people have signed up for the GEEBE trip? Brendan Sherry Pittsburgh, PA USA
      Mar 02, 2002 @ 22:03 - Brendan (Brendan <pit.hokie@...>)
5807. Re: [BoundaryPoint] File - reply to Brendan
      Good morning Brendan, from a winterly Denmark. Right now, we re 6 GEEBE participants, that means there s ONE vacancy .. so if you should be interested let me
      Mar 03, 2002 @ 06:56 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
5808. Re: Tpmap HrHuSi
      The Slovenes do not quite agree with Peters Hungarian topo tp map. Here is the Slovenia version. Note that they put the tp different from the Hungarians and
      Mar 03, 2002 @ 08:38 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
5809. Re: Tpmap HrHuSi
      Jesper Nielsen wrote: (...)According to my contact, who is a Slovenian official, a border agreement has been signed by both Croatia and Slovenia. Slovenian
      Mar 03, 2002 @ 18:35 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5810. Re: "New" bylt boundary islet
      Is this Ignalina? According to my maps that city is about 40 km from this lake. The lake is near Visaginas. But maybe my maps are wrong. Can you confirm once
      Mar 03, 2002 @ 18:56 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5811. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: "New" bylt boundary islet
      I am very sorry! Of course it is VISAGINAS (former city of Snieckus)!!! Snieckus was built during the Soviet occupation and named after a Lithuanian communist.
      Mar 04, 2002 @ 09:21 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
5812. New Brazil - Guyana crossing
      Older news story on a new border crossing GY-BZ: Subject: Guyanese to be employed on Takutu bridge Date sent: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 13:15:57 -0300 Sunday Stabroek
      Mar 04, 2002 @ 16:49 - Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com ("Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com" <dmurray@...>)
5813. posting test -- disregard!
      My apologies... this is a test. I am noticing long delays with my ISP when sending email. Doug
      Mar 06, 2002 @ 02:16 - Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com ("Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com" <dmurray@...>)
5814. new bp-member?? +KyrgTajikborderpix
      Attached our new (?) BP-member and a picture from the border Kyrgyzstan - Tajikistan...enjoy Peter H.
      Mar 04, 2002 @ 17:30 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
5815. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: "New" bylt boundary islet
      But... The nuclear power station with the name Ignalina _is_ on that lakeshore. So that s maybe where it comes from... Peter S. ...
      Mar 04, 2002 @ 18:21 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
5816. Re: Virginia/DC Information
      ... I was think of Battery Cove but I had the wrong date in mind. ... You probable also know that Dulles is also owned by the Feds and run by the FAA. This has
      Mar 06, 2002 @ 15:22 - shocktm ("shocktm" <andrew@...>)
5817. grad school suggestions
      as a fellow geography nut, i m hoping that some of you may be able to suggest potential geography grad school programs. like most everyone in this group, my
      Mar 06, 2002 @ 04:13 - timothykiser ("timothykiser" <timothykiser@...>)
5818. The List
      I thought that everyone should be informed that Yahoo! Groups, which hosts this list has had some technical difficulties for the past few days. (I have heard
      Mar 06, 2002 @ 15:54 - shocktm ("shocktm" <andrew@...>)
5819. UN
      Switzerland voted over the weekend to be come the 190th memeber of the UN. So now the only countries that are not part of the UN are: Vatican City State (As
      Mar 06, 2002 @ 16:59 - shocktm ("shocktm" <andrew@...>)
5820. Test -- My apologies
      Definite ISP issues. Anyone else experiencing huge delays? Doug Doug Murray Productions sounds+images+words Vancouver, BC Canada +1.604.728.1407
      Mar 06, 2002 @ 19:26 - Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com ("Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com" <dmurray@...>)
5821. byruua
      On the site of the Brjansk provincial administration: http://www.admin.debryansk.ru/~press/PHOTOS/brata.jpg
      Mar 06, 2002 @ 15:27 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5822. Re: Virginia/DC Information
      Hi. I heard about two weeks ago that the Congressional parking at Dulles was closed, because there is a huge parkhaus going in. There are Congressional
      Mar 07, 2002 @ 03:57 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
5823. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Test -- My apologies
      Yahoo Groups is having major issues - rumor is it s a distributed Denial Of Service attack. Here s a link to some more information:
      Mar 06, 2002 @ 19:41 - Jon Amato (Jon Amato <jamato@...>)
5824. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Test -- My apologies
      YahooGroups have had problems at the start of the week, someone mentioned a DoS attack, another said a problem server. ... From: Doug Murray for
      Mar 06, 2002 @ 19:46 - Gerard J Keating ("Gerard J Keating" <gerard@...>)
5825. Re: Virginia/DC Information
      I went back and looked at the initial messages. You asked about any relationship that might have existed between the Battery Cove retrocession to Virginia and
      Mar 07, 2002 @ 04:11 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
5826. Re: Bad news
      ... That area was annexed by the City of Alexandria from the County of Fairfax in 1910. Please see message 5785 for more information about this. The reason why
      Mar 06, 2002 @ 15:03 - shocktm ("shocktm" <andrew@...>)
5827. Re: Bad news
      ... The area was annexed by the City of Alexandria from Fairfax County around 1910. It was probably annexed to have enough land to proved city services and to
      Mar 06, 2002 @ 15:34 - shocktm ("shocktm" <andrew@...>)
5828. Re: [BoundaryPoint] byruua
      Nice links from a tripoint that will be a target for next (?) year s border expedition...! A big thanks from Peter to Peter !!! Peter H. ... From: ps1966nl
      Mar 07, 2002 @ 09:19 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
5829. Re: Virginia/DC Information
      ... I thought I indicated National for the parking and Metro. I live in Fairfax County and use the Metro enough to know where it is going. It is interesting to
      Mar 07, 2002 @ 13:50 - shocktm ("shocktm" <andrew@...>)
5830. Re: Bad news
      Sorry about the duplicate postings. I sent these an hour apart nearly 24 hours ago and now they both have made it to the list. I sent other messages at the
      Mar 07, 2002 @ 14:07 - shocktm ("shocktm" <andrew@...>)
5831. Re: Virginia/DC Information
      ... I am a consultant who has worked for several Federal Agencies and have found going to DC to be intersting juristicaional. For example, I worked for the US
      Mar 07, 2002 @ 14:05 - shocktm ("shocktm" <andrew@...>)
5832. The Vatican and the Holy See
      Friends, The author of www.globalgeografia.com/europa/vaticano_curiosita.htm and other interesting articels on geographic curiosities is Mr Vito La Colla of
      Mar 07, 2002 @ 17:57 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
5833. Article on the Basel/Mulhouse Airport from the New York Times
      You can disregard info on Swissair as they are bankrupt. There was an interesting discussion about this airport on usenet. It seems that it has some of the
      Mar 08, 2002 @ 02:23 - Andrew T. Patton ("Andrew T. Patton" <andrew@...>)
5834. Greenland is bigger!
      According to this article (Norwegian only), four islets found outside Greenland are making the Greenland sea boundary bigger.
      Mar 08, 2002 @ 09:29 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
5835. Re: Article on the Basel/Mulhouse Airport from the New York Times
      Now they have a new one, just called Swiss . Kinda like Czechoslovakia being split and one part now called Czech . Swiss without air; Czech without a mate -
      Mar 09, 2002 @ 01:07 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
5836. Re: [BoundaryPoint] What's next: US without an "A"?
      Right, Len - our world s changing fast... maybe there will be another US - without an A in Europe...??? Peter H. ... From: lnadybal Date: Saturday, March 09,
      Mar 09, 2002 @ 09:16 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
5837. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Greenland is bigger!
      Here I found the original text (Danish only): http://www.jp.dk/dbp/internetavisen/indland/artikel&art_id=3619167 Two articles about the northernmost island(s)
      Mar 09, 2002 @ 09:56 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
5838. Re: The List
      I think the reason the amount of traffic has been smaller is because Mike, who posts normally account for 50-100% of all traffic, has been strangely silent.
      Mar 09, 2002 @ 13:57 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
5839. Re: Greenland is bigger!
      ... Thank you for all this information. There s a nice map linked to this site, too. As well as being the northernmost (confirmed) point of land in the world,
      Mar 09, 2002 @ 15:14 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5840. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: The List
      ahh thanx sahibi i am in kingsland georgia for yall today & i know it has been strange because i am the one who has been being strange not only by being silent
      Mar 09, 2002 @ 19:20 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5841. Re: What's next: US without an "A"?
      Would you really want that? Here we ve got the same look from coast to coast, 50 states with no overridinhg differences in personality between them. Sure,
      Mar 09, 2002 @ 19:24 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
5842. Re: What's next: US without an "A"?
      thanx len precisely my point from inside out try try pointing & youll never be bored again anywhere m ... no ... monuments, ... language, ... everywhere ...
      Mar 09, 2002 @ 19:39 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5843. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: What's next: US without an "A"?
      I totally agree. Don t get me wrong, Schengen is heaven to my South African wife. But on GCEBE I was getting bored by Schengen; crossing in and out of Holland
      Mar 09, 2002 @ 19:58 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5844. Re: What's next: US without an "A"?
      ... wrote: to len ... of Holland and Belgium was like crossing in and out of Danish counties. but guys boredom just means you have momentarily
      Mar 09, 2002 @ 20:47 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5845. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: What's next: US without an "A"?
      I enjoyed all three Lux tripoints very much. All three Schengen! Maybe bored was the wrong expression, but perhaps it was too easy. Jesper ... From:
      Mar 09, 2002 @ 20:53 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5846. Re: What's next: US without an "A"?
      ... yes it is reverse bravado to affect boredom anyway & for what just to be one of the regular quiet desperadoes & there is no value in it besides & of course
      Mar 09, 2002 @ 21:01 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5847. Wanderlust
      Hello everyone, especially Grant: Just picked up the Feb/Mar 2002 Wanderlust magazine here in Vancouver -- great article! We re taking over the world, slowly.
      Mar 10, 2002 @ 09:08 - Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com ("Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com" <dmurray@...>)
5848. US"E" - reply to Len
      Hi Len, and thanks for your comments conc. US of E , frankly I think only few Europeans favor the idea of one European state body - American and European
      Mar 10, 2002 @ 10:19 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
5849. Re: US"E" - reply to Len
      We don t disagree as much as you might think. I like the idea of the Euro, too. It s just that it sets the stage to proceed towards more monotony in other
      Mar 10, 2002 @ 16:47 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
5850. Re: Wanderlust
      ... Thanks, Doug. It seems to have generated a bit of interest among non-boundary-enthusiasts, too. I ve received some e-mail, including one lady who must feel
      Mar 10, 2002 @ 18:26 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5851. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Wanderlust
      Couldn t get hold of Wanderlust in the Danish shops, so I have ordered a copy from Wanderlust today. Jesper ... From: granthutchison To:
      Mar 10, 2002 @ 18:32 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5852. Re: US"E" - reply to Len
      We don t disagree as much as you might think. I like the idea of the Euro, too. It s just that it sets the stage to proceed towards more monotony in other
      Mar 10, 2002 @ 19:20 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
5853. grad school programmes.
      The best places are probably Durham or School of African and Oriental studies (SOAS), uni London, both in UK. Otherwise you may be able to finsd an individual
      Mar 11, 2002 @ 00:17 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <b.whyte@...>)
5854. Re: [BoundaryPoint] grad school suggestions
      Buffalo! With myself in Geography, plus political geographer Meghan Cope, plus Barry Smith in Philosophy, and Munroe Eagles in political science, Buffalo
      Mar 11, 2002 @ 00:25 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
5855. new record biggest news tour etc
      thomson ga rather than returning immediately to the already hot & buggy etc okefenokee swamp for a retry of the ellicott mound at the source of the st marys
      Mar 11, 2002 @ 15:54 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5856. Re: grad school suggestions
      wonderful david can we study & inventory the federal multipoints of canada there with particular reference to the federal maritime territory i mean can we
      Mar 11, 2002 @ 16:15 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5857. Re: [BoundaryPoint] byruua
      peter appetizing to tantalizing yet no luck getting this at several libraries so far so would you check the links please thanx m ...
      Mar 11, 2002 @ 16:34 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5858. Re: US"E" - reply to Len
      you are right len boredom is boring i think it is also fair to say since we are theoretically all listening to all conversations here we would all like to hear
      Mar 11, 2002 @ 16:24 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5859. Re: byruua
      The links are OK. I am going to try to guide you to them. http://www.admin.debryansk.ru/index.html , then choose Geography (rus) . Scroll down, and you will
      Mar 11, 2002 @ 17:45 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5860. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: byruua
      ok thanx peter handsome monument do you know if it is the actual tripoint marker or wasnt byruua a wetpoint i have lost track also is anyone keeping track of
      Mar 11, 2002 @ 19:59 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5861. what exclave is this lady talking about
      can anyone help identify the possibly vatican or other roman exclave mentioned & shown at http://www.fqa.com/romana/romanapix/pix.html thanx m
      Mar 11, 2002 @ 20:20 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5862. Re: byruua
      m donner wrote: (...)do you know if it is the actual tripoint marker (...) No, I don t, but the indication I get from this website is that it is. (...)or
      Mar 11, 2002 @ 20:54 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5863. Re: grad school suggestions
      timothykiser wrote: (interests...) and linguistic geography (anglo/french canada and quebec, basque (...) Ongi etorri, orduan! Peter S.
      Mar 11, 2002 @ 21:07 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5864. Re: what exclave is this lady talking about
      Probably one with no boundaries. LN
      Mar 11, 2002 @ 22:32 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
5865. TP map iqkwsa
      http://www.un.org/Depts/Cartographic/map/dpko/unikom.pdf
      Mar 11, 2002 @ 22:29 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5866. Nice gallery
      http://www.servus.at/medea/zuagroast/galerie_kolaric.html
      Mar 11, 2002 @ 22:47 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5867. Souvenir?
      http://www.dhm.de/ausstellungen/souvenirs/so001525.htm
      Mar 11, 2002 @ 22:50 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5868. Out-of-focus quadripoints
      A while back I referred to the bwnazmzw juncture as an out-of-focus quadripoint : an area where four countries met, almost certainly in two tripoints, but in
      Mar 11, 2002 @ 23:00 - Grant Hutchison (Grant Hutchison <granthutchison@...>)
5869. Re: what exclave is this lady talking about
      hahaha excellent len thank you would you care to try a news tour of dc with me later this week m ... exclave
      Mar 12, 2002 @ 20:36 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5870. Re: byruua
      ahh peter thank you & you are right as ever i find byruua was last previously mentioned in messages 1086 & 600 & only scarcely so at that nor apparently has a
      Mar 12, 2002 @ 20:33 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5871. Re: TP map iqkwsa
      nice so does anyone think a tripoint marker will be found on the spot in the wadi bottom or just a witness monument above the flash flood line somewhere m
      Mar 12, 2002 @ 20:40 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5872. Re: Out-of-focus quadripoints
      of course grant nice going & sock it to us about bwnazmzw i have also been thinking that the existence of the kasane kazungula ferry so called across the
      Mar 12, 2002 @ 21:05 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5873. 11 in one blow
      shallotte nc trying without maps or other aids but just on recollection & instinct i believe i bagged as many as 6 points in a single shot this morning namely
      Mar 12, 2002 @ 21:27 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5874. Re: Out-of-focus quadripoints
      ... Yes, and that s attested on the ground by the Zambian border sign I saw in Botswana. ... For sure. Colombia has also cemented things a little by
      Mar 12, 2002 @ 23:23 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5875. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 11 in one blow
      ... That has to be one of the more colorful border markers I ve ever heard of - unless of course someone decides to test the law right at the dry/wet
      Mar 13, 2002 @ 03:28 - Brendan (Brendan <pit.hokie@...>)
5876. Yahoo! Groups service will be down for scheduled maintenance on Friday, March 15, 9:00 PM PST (GMT-8)
      The Yahoo! Groups service will be down for scheduled maintenance Friday, March 15, 9:00 PM PST (GMT-8) as we move our servers to a new facility. We expect the
      Mar 13, 2002 @ 06:52 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
5877. Re: 11 in one blow
      ... everywhere to ... heard of - ... dry/wet ... good point brendan hendecapoint actually unless ah you crafty fellow you are counting ncscl as the 12th point
      Mar 13, 2002 @ 17:00 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5878. Re: Out-of-focus quadripoints
      ... in ... follow.) ... third, ... at ... no i think you must be right still no maps tho i was moving too fast & confused the tridominial tripoints for
      Mar 13, 2002 @ 17:09 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5879. BEFRLU
      VThe treaty between France and Luxemborg has been ratified. More informations at: http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/citoyen/jorf_nor.ow?numjo=MAEX0000190L
      Mar 13, 2002 @ 18:28 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
5880. Canada-US Border -- Legal Issues
      Great story: http://www.king5.com/localnews/NW_031302WABborderdispute.219f789.html Doug Doug Murray Productions sounds+images+words Vancouver, BC Canada
      Mar 14, 2002 @ 07:42 - Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com ("Doug Murray for StockPhotosOnline.com" <dmurray@...>)
5881. In the news
      The country of Yugoslavia is to change its name to Serbia and Montenegro and Montenegro will remain a member of that country for at least three years. At
      Mar 14, 2002 @ 14:43 - shocktm ("shocktm" <andrew@...>)
5882. Reis om de wereld
      http://www.reisomdewereld.nl/verhalen/moosten/drielandenpunt.html
      Mar 14, 2002 @ 18:53 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
5883. bedenl
      http://www.simontech.de/images/lb5.gif
      Mar 14, 2002 @ 18:57 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
5884. What border monument?
      http://www.haystack.mit.edu/~jcf/baikal.htm
      Mar 14, 2002 @ 19:08 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5885. Re: What border monument?
      Acc. to the Russian text on the monument, you are entering the Ust - Orda Autonomous District (Ust -Ordynskij Avtonomnyj Okrug). Peter S.
      Mar 14, 2002 @ 21:02 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5886. Re: Reis om de wereld
      According to the article, this should be the tripoint aeomsa. The story is from a Dutch surveyor that helped to put the marker on the right spot. Peter S.
      Mar 14, 2002 @ 21:46 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5887. Re: BEFRLU
      ... I don t know if the tripoint will be changed. i believe jespers government informants indicated that the treaty didnt apply to the tripoint but only to a
      Mar 14, 2002 @ 22:09 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5888. Re: Canada-US Border -- Legal Issues
      ... http://www.king5.com/localnews/NW_031302WABborderdispute.219f789.html .com doug greatly puzzled has this nonstarter changed at all since the last time you
      Mar 14, 2002 @ 22:17 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5889. Re: Reis om de wereld
      ... please please when posting in dutch danish basque etc give the rest of us ignorami half a chance m
      Mar 14, 2002 @ 22:19 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5890. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Reis om de wereld
      Indeed, it is AE/OM/SA. The link was earlier mentioned on 11-11-2001 in message 4486 by a Dutch member of BP :-)) gl Harry ten Veen ... From: ps1966nl
      Mar 14, 2002 @ 23:11 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
5891. Re: +AFs-BoundaryPoint+AF0- Re: byruua
      This was a first. It is +ACM-22 in the Virtual Visited Tripoints List. gl Harry ten Veen ... From: +ACI-m donner+ACI- also is anyone keeping track of the world
      Mar 14, 2002 @ 23:34 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
5892. Re: [BoundaryPoint] bedenl
      is there a key to the numbers 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 on the image?
      Mar 15, 2002 @ 15:14 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
5893. Re: Canada-US Border -- Legal Issues
      yikes i apologize to doug jesper peter & al these were all pure md crabs by me yesterday as you probably guessed anyway md as in my beloved maryland once again
      Mar 15, 2002 @ 15:39 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5894. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: +AFs-BoundaryPoint+AF0- Re: byruua
      wonderfully intriguing harry cwould you say more or give other details of this list m ... _________________________________________________________________
      Mar 15, 2002 @ 15:50 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5895. Washington-Canada Border
      More on the Washington-Canada boundary case: http://www.courts.wa.gov/opinions/opindisp.cfm?docid=694176MAJ and
      Mar 15, 2002 @ 16:15 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@...>)
5896. Re: Canada-US Border -- Legal Issues
      Just more of the same. Nice to see some actual news coverage of border issues. Especially so close to home. Doug ...
      Mar 15, 2002 @ 16:17 - dougmurray85 ("dougmurray85" <doug@...>)
5897. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Canada-US Border -- Legal Issues
      doug thanx it is appreciated what i meant was i dont see how this is a real border issue tho it certainly is real media play & real law cases for to me it just
      Mar 15, 2002 @ 16:46 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5898. Re: [BoundaryPoint] bedenl
      Yes, there is a key, but not a very interesting one. If you go to http://www.simontech.de and then choose Aachen , you ll see some pictures with the
      Mar 15, 2002 @ 19:28 - JC.Deeleman ("JC.Deeleman" <deeleman@...>)
5899. Small World
      The world is indeed getting smaller. Today I realised that both the attached maps have been lying on my desk beside the computer for a couple of weeks, without
      Mar 15, 2002 @ 20:08 - Grant Hutchison (Grant Hutchison <granthutchison@blueyonder.co.uk>)
5900. Re: +AFs-BoundaryPoint+AF0- Re: +AFs-BoundaryPoint+AF0- Re: byruua
      I picked up your own listing of tripoints, you posted long time ago. It is in a (Excel)-file on my computer now. BY/RU/UA is added as nr. 22. That s all. gl
      Mar 15, 2002 @ 20:29 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
5901. Re: Small World
      Aargh. Ridiculously large jpg in my last posting, sorry. Here s a better-sized Prescott image. Grant
      Mar 15, 2002 @ 23:59 - Grant Hutchison (Grant Hutchison <granthutchison@blueyonder.co.uk>)
5902. Cooch Behar enclave thesis
      I have just received news from my examiners. My thesis has been passed (with some minor amendments needed). I have to submit the final version to the
      Mar 16, 2002 @ 07:18 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <b.whyte@...>)
5903. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: grad school suggestions
      As you may recall, I don t think mixed-level multi-points are very interesting. Personally, the various kinds of territory at sea leave me completely cold. I
      Mar 17, 2002 @ 18:58 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
5904. Shenzhen SEZ border
      C h i n a N e w s D i g e s t (Global News, No. GL02-011) Friday, March 15, 2002 21. Special Economic Zone to Decide on Border With Mainland ... [CND,
      Mar 18, 2002 @ 06:50 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <b.whyte@...>)
5905. Re: Cooch Behar enclave thesis
      Congratulations, Brendan. Pls mark me down for a copy - if you wnt funds in advance to defray costs when the bills come, let me know. I never did send funds
      Mar 18, 2002 @ 15:41 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
5906. gibraltar
      in regards to recent events, and especially monday s, i d like to know some of your opinions.
      Mar 19, 2002 @ 03:26 - timothykiser ("timothykiser" <timothykiser@...>)
5907. Re: [BoundaryPoint] gibraltar
      Hello Tim, it will never be too late to visit The Rock - regardless of future changes... :-) Your plans sound very interesting - visiting all these
      Mar 19, 2002 @ 09:37 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
5908. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: grad school suggestions
      david do i understand correctly first you offer us fellow uniquely empassioned geonuts a good place to pursue boundary pointing interests but then you limit us
      Mar 19, 2002 @ 16:53 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5909. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: grad school suggestions
      Not exactly. Boundary pointing, and chasing geographic oddities, etc. is a great hobby. And in hobbies, to each his/her own rules the day. I know what I am
      Mar 19, 2002 @ 17:06 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
5910. Central American migrant story
      Mexico a dangerous hurdle for U.S.-bound migrants By Greg Brosnan CIUDAD TECUN UMAN, Guatemala (Reuters) - When Hurricane Mitch tore through Central America in
      Mar 19, 2002 @ 17:33 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@...>)
5911. Fun last weekend
      http://home.worldonline.dk/~jesniel/border/amttp/amttp.htm
      Mar 19, 2002 @ 17:25 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5912. Re: Fun last weekend
      I don t get the first one. When I look at the map, these three amts don t form a tripoint. But that it was fun I do get. Peter S.
      Mar 19, 2002 @ 18:52 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5913. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Fun last weekend
      Peter Thanks, and sorry. The error has now been corrected. Jesper ... From: ps1966nl To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 7:52 PM
      Mar 19, 2002 @ 20:05 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5914. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Fun last weekend
      spectacular plays here by both the player & the kibitzer inaugurating a perfectly worldclass bp tour of dk2 the seventh country to have its internal
      Mar 20, 2002 @ 16:21 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5915. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: grad school suggestions
      thank you sir for this clarification i was thinking i was getting buffaloed but this is actually excellent also i would just like to add our own nonnormal
      Mar 20, 2002 @ 16:46 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5916. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Fun last weekend
      I just want to add that this my third dk2 visit (Copenhagen-Roskilde-Frederiksborg), as I did one with Peter H last year. We also attempted
      Mar 20, 2002 @ 16:47 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5917. Border Crossing Hitlist
      Dear Border Friends Please join me in my latest project: the Border Crossing Hitlist! Let s see who has crossed the most borders, I have already signed myself
      Mar 20, 2002 @ 19:52 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5918. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fun last weekend
      Autodesk Mapguide has a few good website if you are willing to download the 4 meg (I think) application. One of them is a map of Arhus commune at
      Mar 20, 2002 @ 23:54 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
5919. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fun last weekend
      Autodesk Mapguide has a few good website if you are willing to download the 4 meg (I think) application. One of them is a map of Arhus commune at
      Mar 20, 2002 @ 23:56 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
5920. Re: Border Crossing Hitlist
      ... How official do you require the border crossings to be? No doubt many of us will have land border crossings which have not involved official crossing
      Mar 21, 2002 @ 00:52 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5921. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: greconym for boundary specialist?
      I definitely did not mean limNology . (I don t see why limnology, the term for lake science, would apply to all interests in political boundaries.) I am sure
      Mar 21, 2002 @ 13:03 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
5922. Border Crossings
      With the discussion on border crossings on the list I thought that I would mention that I have crossed a measly 11 borders but will be adding two more to that
      Mar 21, 2002 @ 15:17 - shocktm ("shocktm" <andrew@...>)
5923. +AFs-BoundaryPoint+AF0- Re: +AFs-BoundaryPoint+AF0- Re: byruua
      ok harry thats a start on recovering the bp worldclass crown jewels both the already found ones & those still missing i mean because the last i can recollect
      Mar 21, 2002 @ 16:54 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5924. Re: greconym for boundary specialist?
      well that is fine but even in fractured french limologie is still a dog latin haplology for what would have had to produce either limitologie or liminologie in
      Mar 21, 2002 @ 17:08 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5925. Re: greconym for boundary specialist?
      ... It doesn t, of course. I advanced it as a real word ending in -ology that has the feel of having something to do with boundaries. It s actually from Greek
      Mar 21, 2002 @ 17:55 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5926. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Border Crossing Hitlist
      Well Grant Did you cross that border between Kenya and Tanzania, and that of Uzbekistan-Turkmenistan? Offcourse you did! And I am sure these are highlights of
      Mar 21, 2002 @ 18:24 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5927. Grand EEZ border survey
      In case anyone s fretting about the non-appearance of my grand EEZ border survey, I m struggling at present for internal consistency. If country by country you
      Mar 21, 2002 @ 23:28 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5928. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: greconym for boundary specialist?
      The city of Limone in northern Italy (http://www.limone.com/) is named not for the fruit ( limoni ) but for being near the limit or boundary... of
      Mar 22, 2002 @ 03:35 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
5929. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Grand EEZ border survey
      as you probably realize grant our only fretting is purely ornamental upon your magnificent working blueprint for the worlds first complete global punctological
      Mar 22, 2002 @ 15:50 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5930. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: greconym for boundary specialist?
      looks like they grow etymological lemons there too m ... Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com .
      Mar 22, 2002 @ 16:05 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5931. Fw: Yahoo! News Story - Photo
      Yahoo! News - Photo ... From: Yahoo! News To: spo@telus.net Cc: dougmurray85@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 2:28 PM Subject: Yahoo! News Story - Photo
      Mar 23, 2002 @ 00:45 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@...>)
5932. Fw: Yahoo! News Story - Photo
      Yahoo! News - Photo ... From: Yahoo! News To: spo@telus.net Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 2:25 PM Subject: Yahoo! News Story - Photo Dm (dougmurray85@yahoo.com)
      Mar 23, 2002 @ 00:45 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@...>)
5933. tp: bwzazw
      http://sunsite.wits.ac.za/env/archae.htm MD own words: tripoint situated at confluence of rivers shashi & limpopo but there is no agreement on its precise
      Mar 23, 2002 @ 20:50 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5934. Re: [BoundaryPoint] tp: bwzazw
      And another one: http://www.adventure-safaris.com/Destinations/ ... From: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March
      Mar 23, 2002 @ 20:51 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5935. Pictures around African quadropoint
      http://astro1.physik.uni-siegen.de/users/mike/kretlow/afrika_2001/index2.html
      Mar 23, 2002 @ 21:09 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5936. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Pictures around African quadropoint
      http://www.botswana-online.com/explore/main/explore_tourism.htm ... From: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March
      Mar 23, 2002 @ 21:14 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5937. Re: tp: bwzazw
      yesss & in my own words again this second try here by jesper looks like our first successful probably class d visit to bwzazw & i think his parting shot at
      Mar 24, 2002 @ 19:36 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5938. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fw: Yahoo! News Story - Photo
      actually doug this is not big ben but big bend national park big ben np may be on the thames or colorado i think but i do know this spot & possibly even the
      Mar 25, 2002 @ 16:39 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5939. threepoint Vaals
      Dear All, Yesterday I finished the first two parts of my site Rondom het drielandenpunt (Around the threepoint). http://home.westbrabant.net/~deeleman It
      Mar 25, 2002 @ 20:18 - JC.Deeleman ("JC.Deeleman" <deeleman@...>)
5940. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fw: Yahoo! News Story - Photo
      Great backgrounder info... thanks! Doug ... From: m donner To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint]
      Mar 26, 2002 @ 01:40 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
5941. Fw: link for the article
      ... From: chris To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 3:02 AM Subject: link for the article
      Mar 26, 2002 @ 04:53 - chris ("chris" <wertkauf@...>)
5942. TP or what
      5th picture - please help http://www.nzs.pw.edu.pl/nzs/turist/1999/biesz/biesz99.html Jesper
      Mar 26, 2002 @ 16:56 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5943. Re: [BoundaryPoint] TP or what
      I ve sent the words off to a Polish friend... Doug ... From: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 8:56 AM
      Mar 26, 2002 @ 17:02 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
5944. Re: TP or what
      It says: From the Wetlina to the Ma³a Rawka, across three borders, along the Slovak National Park. Sometimes you meet other tourists that love long trips .
      Mar 26, 2002 @ 17:11 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5945. Re: [BoundaryPoint] TP or what
      Looking for border pictures, well besides borderpictures.de.vu, try typing in granica in google s image search. Plenty of pictures, but the
      Mar 26, 2002 @ 17:06 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5946. Re: TP or what
      Have a look at those brave men that guard Polands borders. Most regional units of the Polish border guards have web sites. For the division that does this
      Mar 26, 2002 @ 17:43 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5947. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: TP or what
      So what should our approach be during GEEBE? Give the guards the look ? Bring bones to the dogs? Run every time a guard see us? Well, the smile and look
      Mar 26, 2002 @ 18:22 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5948. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: TP or what
      The GCEBE approach worked very well -- even with 2 video cameras and 7 camera flashes going off. Eastern Europe will be interesting, to say the least. But I
      Mar 26, 2002 @ 18:26 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
5949. Re: Border Crossing Hitlist
      ... well it may not be on their official list but everyonese patriots at least may be glad to be reminded that martin has personally acknowledged the existence
      Mar 26, 2002 @ 16:53 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5950. tp: czplsk
      http://www.hyperlink.cz/turbosnekteam/Foto_galerie/Foto_galerie.htm
      Mar 26, 2002 @ 22:09 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
5951. Fwd: Free State of Fiume
      If anyone can help Tullio, please email him direct (and cc to this list!) Brendan ... _________________________________________________________________ Get
      Mar 27, 2002 @ 01:27 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <b.whyte@...>)
5952. Fwd: Boundary Lengths
      An interesting enquiry. Look for the dataset in coming months! BW ... _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the
      Mar 27, 2002 @ 01:30 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <b.whyte@...>)
5953. graded sovereignty?
      Does anyone know of any current or past cases of graded sovereignty, that is, of one country grading or blending gradually into another? That is, at this
      Mar 27, 2002 @ 02:43 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
5954. Re: Fwd: Boundary Lengths
      Greetings, I read with interest about your project. One sentence you quoted stumped me and I was wondering if you could explain what was meant. I understand
      Mar 27, 2002 @ 15:28 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
5955. Re: Fwd: Boundary Lengths
      Greetings, I read with interest about your project. One sentence you quoted stumped me and I was wondering if you could explain what was meant. I understand
      Mar 27, 2002 @ 15:28 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
5956. Re: graded sovereignty?
      Greetings, David. I think you have to be a person who accepts that the concept of shared sovereignty exists. I would venture to say that when states make
      Mar 27, 2002 @ 15:52 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
5957. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: graded sovereignty?
      What about the alleged condominium sovereignty over the rivers between Germany and Luxembourg? Borders between states usually run down the middle of water
      Mar 27, 2002 @ 16:16 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
5958. Re: [BoundaryPoint] graded sovereignty?
      ... well isnt this basically what happens in maritime boundary law as land territory phases into territorial seas & then into eezs & then into additional
      Mar 27, 2002 @ 17:56 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5959. Re: Fw: Yahoo! News Story - Photo
      ... you are most welcome doug & to think i thought it was foregrounder info being so riveted on the tripoints as i am but of course in everyones land everyone
      Mar 27, 2002 @ 18:07 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5960. Re: tp: czplsk
      ... you have become the absolute maestro of this game jesper with 2 more fresh hits every week now ah but now that you have given your secret tripoint browsing
      Mar 27, 2002 @ 18:19 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5961. Re: [BoundaryPoint] graded sovereignty?
      The law almost always crisps things up, so the maritime example is not in practice a gradual fading of sovereignty, but has crisp sharp steps at mean low water
      Mar 27, 2002 @ 18:35 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
5962. Re: Border Crossing Hitlist
      ... Uzbekistan-Turkmenistan? Offcourse you did! And I am sure these are highlights of your border career. And I envy you. jesper i trust that this is only a
      Mar 27, 2002 @ 18:38 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5963. Re: graded sovereignty?
      what i just gave you the steps & you gave me their locations we agree m ... not in ... at ... sovereignty, ... another? ... 20% ... which one ... land ... into
      Mar 27, 2002 @ 18:42 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5964. Re: Fwd: Boundary Lengths
      ... This concept goes back to Mandelbrot s observation that Richardson s coastline data meet the criteria for fractals, and that the true length of a fractal
      Mar 27, 2002 @ 19:50 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@blueyonder.co.uk>)
5965. Former DDR-border patrol boats for sale
      Today I visited a nearby ship-yard. I looked at, stood on, sat in and photographed some of those ships. It was a special feeling to see 6 of them laying on the
      Mar 27, 2002 @ 23:27 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
5966. Offshoot query
      May be slightly offshoot. I am intrigued by countries like Azerbaijan which consists of two parts which are not connected by land and neither of which are
      Mar 28, 2002 @ 04:52 - amar6277@yahoo.com (<amar6277@...>)
5967. Re: Offshoot query
      ... If you count only countries with outliers that are not enclaves/exclaves you would have: Angola (Cabinda) Azerbaijan (Naxcivan) Brunei (Two Sections
      Mar 28, 2002 @ 14:03 - shocktm ("shocktm" <andrew@...>)
5968. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Former DDR-border patrol boats for sale
      Hi Harry, Where did you see these boats? And could you publish the photographs? And maybe if you go there again, find out how much. It is my dream to own one.
      Mar 28, 2002 @ 14:52 - John Kelly ("John Kelly" <johnkelly@...>)
5969. Re: Former DDR-border patrol boats for sale
      ... about 70 ... search ... I remember something like this a decade ago and found it quite funny at the time. There was an advertisment for the sale of the
      Mar 28, 2002 @ 15:06 - shocktm ("shocktm" <andrew@...>)
5970. Re: Offshoot query
      Are the two pieces of Brunei really separated by Malaysia, or are they perhaps connected by territorial seas? Re: the SBAs - They were carved out of a colony,
      Mar 28, 2002 @ 15:44 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
5971. Re: Offshoot query
      ... they ... both to be sure but what was this entire reiterative offshoot discussion about claves if by land but not if by sea this time around & well but
      Mar 28, 2002 @ 16:27 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5972. Re: tp: bwzazw
      jesper can you verify the long map link at the end of this message as it hasnt worked for me at several libraries yet & it could shed new light on the
      Mar 28, 2002 @ 16:43 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
5973. Re: Offshoot query
      ... the rest of the country by Bosnia-Herzegovina s short coastline). 4) What about fragments that are *on* islands, but have land borders? The distinction
      Mar 28, 2002 @ 18:49 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5974. Re: Offshoot query
      ... I am pretty sure that they are connected by territorial sea but as such it may be better to call the fragment a pene-frangment as the only road access is
      Mar 28, 2002 @ 19:41 - shocktm ("shocktm" <andrew@...>)
5975. Re: Offshoot query
      ... In a previous message I indicated that as they are not a Territory of the UK or Crown, I concluded they were part of the UK. I guess this is wrong. I would
      Mar 28, 2002 @ 20:02 - shocktm ("shocktm" <andrew@...>)
5976. Re: Offshoot query
      ... Woops. Bit of careless cut-and-pasting there. That started life as Dubrovacko-Neretvanska, with a caron over the c . G
      Mar 28, 2002 @ 22:06 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5977. Re: Offshoot query
      Ooohkay. Let me rephrase the question: Are there two pieces of Brunei really separated by Malaysia, or is Brunei one piece of land, some of which is submerged?
      Mar 28, 2002 @ 22:39 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
5978. Re: Offshoot query
      Hi. A colony can have only a military government. In the UK, they assign the title of Generalgoveneur / Vizekoenig (UK term in German) / Military Governor to
      Mar 28, 2002 @ 22:50 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
5979. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Former DDR-border patrol boats for sale
      Hello John, I saw these boats in Marknesse, Netherlands. Shipyards name: Het Anker. Two photo s will be ready soon, more photo s are on a new film, so that may
      Mar 28, 2002 @ 22:53 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
5980. Re: Offshoot query
      Andrew Wrote: I skipped over Malaysia and NI as they are on an island which did not match the orginal poster request but which are valid I read that quote,
      Mar 28, 2002 @ 22:59 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
5981. Re: Offshoot query
      ... not ... Ahem. The terms of reference of the original posting were ... consists of two parts which are not connected by land and neither of which are
      Mar 28, 2002 @ 23:32 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5982. caus highway
      The other night, NBC News ran a story about the lack of U.S. Border Patrol personnel on the caus border. Some of the story scenes was a highway divided down
      Mar 29, 2002 @ 01:15 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
5983. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Offshoot query
      The entire earth s crust is one piece of land, some of which is submerged . David
      Mar 29, 2002 @ 03:23 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
5984. Fw: article about enclaves and exclaves in switzerland
      ... From: chris To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 2:55 AM Subject: article about enclaves and exclaves in switzerland 5. Januar
      Mar 26, 2002 @ 04:52 - chris ("chris" <wertkauf@gmx.net>)
5985. Re: US-Mexico Joint Projects
      Howdy folks, I m new to the group and this is my first post.... just wanted to let you know that the photos on this link are quite old and well the border
      Mar 29, 2002 @ 06:18 - drpotatoes ("drpotatoes" <drpotatoes@...>)
5986. link for the article
      http://www2.nzz.ch/2002/01/05/zh/page-article7PHJG.html
      Mar 26, 2002 @ 02:02 - chris ("chris" <wertkauf@...>)
5987. Re: Offshoot query
      ... Actually no, it s many seperate pieces, which is why we get continential drift and earth quakes.
      Mar 29, 2002 @ 11:37 - gerardkeating ("gerardkeating" <gerard@...>)
5988. article about enclaves and exclaves in switzerland
      5. Januar 2002, 02:11 Territoriale Kurzweil Enklaven und Exklaven im Kanton Zürich Gemeinde- und Kantonsterritorien sind nicht immer kompakt. Manchmal - im
      Mar 26, 2002 @ 01:55 - chris ("chris" <wertkauf@gmx.net>)
5989. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Offshoot query
      ACTUALLY, no! True that there are separate plates (pieces) of continental crust, floating around (very slowly) on the rest of the crust, but the Earth s
      Mar 29, 2002 @ 12:36 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
5990. Tripoint Bavaria-Bohemia-Saxony
      It also used to be the tripoint between East and West Germany and Czechoslovakia. http://www.muas.cz/html/info_server/historan.html , last picture. Peter S.
      Mar 29, 2002 @ 13:51 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5991. Another secundary tripoint
      Between the Swiss canton of Graubuenden/Grischun/Grigioni and the Austrian federal lands of Tyrol (Tirol) and Vorarlberg. A very handsome marker, so the cross
      Mar 29, 2002 @ 13:55 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5992. Re: Offshoot query
      Re: my incorrect quote outliers not on an island . You re right. But the UK is the whole of an island, not just a part. Doesn t that state of affairs still
      Mar 29, 2002 @ 17:52 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
5993. Re: Offshoot query
      OK... I ll rephrase the question again.... Are there two pieces of Brunei really separated by Malaysia, or is Brunei one piece of land over which it has
      Mar 29, 2002 @ 17:55 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
5994. Re: Offshoot query
      ... part. ... well ... Curses ... foiled again! Northern Ireland goes, indeed. G
      Mar 29, 2002 @ 19:18 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
5995. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoint Bavaria-Bohemia-Saxony
      first let me congratulate you peter for inserting this remarkable tripoint into the very teeth & midst of the most riotous orgy of irrelevancy we have yet
      Mar 29, 2002 @ 19:41 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
5996. Re: [BoundaryPoint] caus highway
      Hello Bill, and thanks for your contribution... I d love to know more about this divided road between the US and CAN, since I ve been to Blaine and White
      Mar 29, 2002 @ 20:12 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
5997. Re: Tripoint Bavaria-Bohemia-Saxony
      m donner wrote: first let me congratulate you peter for inserting this remarkable tripoint into the very teeth & midst of the most riotous orgy of irrelevancy
      Mar 29, 2002 @ 20:18 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
5998. RE: [BoundaryPoint] caus highway
      Peter, the more I think about it, I think I once saw a photo of USBP and RCMP officers standing on their respective sides of a monument that I believe was in
      Mar 29, 2002 @ 20:19 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
5999. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Offshoot query
      actually yes david you arent even listening to what you yourself are saying any more just changing terms again whenever someone reminds you of your reality its
      Mar 29, 2002 @ 20:26 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
6000. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Tripoint Bavaria-Bohemia-Saxony
      Peter S. - thanks for your contribution on this matter - I remember visiting this very tripoint some 20 years ago - and could kick myself in a certain place
      Mar 29, 2002 @ 20:31 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
6001. Re: Campione d'Italia borderwalk
      my apologies to mats for confusing his campione enclave site with lens enclave site in the following old message i have just seen lens new site & finally
      Mar 29, 2002 @ 20:50 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6002. Re: Tripoint Bavaria-Bohemia-Saxony
      right you are what i meant was a ghost country tricountry point rather than just a ghost tricountry point for i think you have a case of the latter here m ...
      Mar 29, 2002 @ 20:57 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6003. Re: Offshoot query
      ... Hear hear. That mid-Atlantic ridge with asthenosphere welling up from below to form new lithosphere looks like a crustal discontinuity to me, too. ... Gad,
      Mar 29, 2002 @ 21:02 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
6004. Re: Tripoint Bavaria-Bohemia-Saxony
      ... Not working now when I try it. Try this instead: http://mujweb.atlas.cz/www/CaCua/CaCuaPhotos.htm , then choose Trojmezi on the right of the screen. If
      Mar 29, 2002 @ 21:07 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6005. Re: tp: czplsk
      Looks like there s more than one obelisk on that spot. So which one is the tripoint here - or is it one obelisk for every country (in that case, there must be
      Mar 29, 2002 @ 21:42 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6006. Re: US-Mexico Joint Projects
      welcome victor & thanx this strange collection of cooperative projects also fails to include an obviously cooperative international cable car ride i recently
      Mar 29, 2002 @ 21:53 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6007. [BoundaryPoint] Re: Offshoot query
      By the way, I had somewhat of a list at http://members.aol.com/marismits/IntlGeo.htm so you might check it out. I did forget to add the Croatian one. About
      Mar 30, 2002 @ 02:33 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
6008. Chile's tripoints pics
      There’s several pics of Chile’s tripoints: - Chile/Bolivia/Perú: near the Visviri village. Every sunday there’s a market where the aimaras people from
      Mar 30, 2002 @ 12:20 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
6009. Re: [BoundaryPoint] caus highway
      Interestingly, I was somewhat surprised that near the Peace Arch at the WA/BC border, you can freely cross from the Peace Arch Park in Washington to the town
      Mar 30, 2002 @ 17:34 - Brendan (Brendan <pit.hokie@...>)
6010. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Chile's tripoints pics
      marcel marcel bravissimos it is clear you have 2 virgin worldclass hits here at least class d or c tho my present library computer has begun rejecting your
      Mar 30, 2002 @ 17:45 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
6011. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Offshoot query
      ... arif you are right about the existence of that larger disagreement & about what malaysia may like but given the actual configuration along the coast just
      Mar 30, 2002 @ 18:47 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
6012. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Offshoot query
      ... no problem pal as i am always overinvesting it comes with the territory when sandcastling especially on moonless mediterranean nights but wont you have to
      Mar 30, 2002 @ 18:59 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
6013. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Chile's tripoints pics
      Michael: I’ve checked the links. The monument pic link has been cuted in two lines. If tou paste it, it will work correctly. The Zapaleri mountain image link
      Mar 30, 2002 @ 19:01 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
6014. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Offshoot query
      I think that Malayasia is claiming its own territorial water from the tiny coastline it has between the two parts separating Brunei. Is there any law that
      Mar 30, 2002 @ 19:26 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
6015. Re: Chile's tripoints pics
      ... this is actually an improvement on the brgyve pic linked in message 2327 since the new pic is closer in & also since one of the people in it is actually
      Mar 30, 2002 @ 19:45 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6016. Re: Offshoot query
      ... i think that by normal international maritime law & standard median practice the croatian seas shut in the bosnian seas exactly like the bruneian seas shut
      Mar 30, 2002 @ 20:05 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6017. cnmnruw
      http://www.risk.ru/rus/mount/articles/tavanbog/index.html The western tripoint China-Mongolia-Russia, or so it says on this site. The mountain is called
      Mar 30, 2002 @ 20:32 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6018. Re: Offshoot query
      ... Well, I m treating land and sea out to the EEZ limit as a single unit, so Brunei is all one part at that level. But its border with Malaysia goes
      Mar 30, 2002 @ 22:00 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
6019. Re: cnmnruw
      ... from ... It seems to have a number of Mongolian names: Tavanbogd Uul means Five Saints Peak (I don t know where this name might come from, or even what
      Mar 30, 2002 @ 22:10 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
6020. Re: Chile's tripoints pics
      ... Ah ha. Montecristo, the mountain at the tripoint of El Salvador- Guatemala-Honduras is situated in the El Trifinio National Park of El Salvador. So that
      Mar 30, 2002 @ 22:18 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
6021. Re: cnmnruw
      granthutchison wrote: It seems to have a number of Mongolian names: Tavanbogd Uul means Five Saints Peak (I don t know where this name might come from, or
      Mar 30, 2002 @ 22:26 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6022. Re: US-Mexico Joint Projects
      Hi m, The photos I posted are in the Photos category on the left of this page, click on that and there s a category for US/MEX border photos. I ll be posting
      Mar 31, 2002 @ 06:44 - drpotatoes ("drpotatoes" <drpotatoes@...>)
6023. File - geebemap2.jpg
      File : geebemap2.jpg Description : GEEBE 2002 Route Map
      Apr 01, 2002 @ 12:03 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com (BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com )
6024. File - GEEBE-itin.English (1).doc
      File : GEEBE-itin.English (1).doc Description : GEEBE Proposed Itinerary: July 1-8, 2002
      Apr 01, 2002 @ 12:03 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com (BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com )
6025. Re: US-Mexico Joint Projects
      ... this ... photos. ... ok thanxxx victor these are interesting & please do more comments below ... exactly & great since i was foolish enough to visit them
      Apr 01, 2002 @ 15:59 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6026. Re: Chile's tripoints pics
      marcel ... in ... itself ... another look at both pix gives the distinct impression that the monument is listing a bit hence the true tripoint position could
      Apr 01, 2002 @ 17:21 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6027. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
      Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File :
      Apr 01, 2002 @ 17:42 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com (BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com )
6028. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
      Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File :
      Apr 01, 2002 @ 17:45 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com (BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com )
6029. Re: cnmnruw
      ahh you guys are making me swoon again & really where are all these new virgins coming from sure the internet is growing but you all must really be trying for
      Apr 01, 2002 @ 18:01 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6030. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: tp: czplsk
      the statuesque blonde with the sunglasses seems puzzled too & there is a tall post scarcely visible at rear which she may have missed but how about one of
      Apr 01, 2002 @ 18:22 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
6031. Re: tp: czplsk
      m donner wrote: the statuesque blonde with the sunglasses seems puzzled too & there is a tall post scarcely visible at rear which she may have missed but how
      Apr 01, 2002 @ 19:22 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6032. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: tp: czplsk
      ... great i love groping for corrobations the tripoint is a wet one, in a brook and that ... yes another nice view but i see no brook here or there what a
      Apr 01, 2002 @ 20:32 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
6033. Re: tp: czplsk
      m donner wrote: (...)yes another nice view but i see no brook here or there(...) I can t see any water either, but I think it s clear from the photograph
      Apr 01, 2002 @ 20:53 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6034. Re: Chile's tripoint pics provoke a shaggy pal break
      ok i must apologize again because i finally did get a chance to reread carefully the spanish text at marcels boclpe link & it turns out the aymaras there were
      Apr 01, 2002 @ 21:55 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6035. any 'natural' quadripoints?
      It possible for 4 boundaries, all following drainage divides (and thus bona fide boundaries) to meet at a single point, which typically would be a peak, but
      Apr 02, 2002 @ 07:47 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
6036. Re: [BoundaryPoint] caus highway
      The road in question is most likely Zero Avenue. It is the road that runs along the northern side of the border from roughly White Rock, BC (Peace Arch
      Apr 02, 2002 @ 15:51 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
6037. RE: [BoundaryPoint] caus highway
      Thanks Doug...I thought you d be the ultimate source on this one! To say that I m intrigued buy this road is an understatement...I certainly hope to drive it
      Apr 02, 2002 @ 16:06 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
6038. TopoZone - The Web's Topographic Map.htm
      David, Check out this one in Washington. It satisfies your requirements for an intersection of two divides. It is the only one I have found in the US.
      Apr 02, 2002 @ 16:38 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@northnet.org>)
6039. Re: TopoZone - The Web's Topographic Map.htm
      Jack, could you just give the coordinates, so that I can look it up at Topozone? It doesn t look too well in this message. David, a possible contender could be
      Apr 02, 2002 @ 17:33 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6040. gvivli
      Guinea/Ivory Coast/Liberia tripoint: http://ibamba.net/photos/guinea/nimba/ More pics and information from the mountain:
      Apr 02, 2002 @ 17:45 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
6041. Re: gvivli
      Impressive, Marcel! The tripoints are falling as ripe fruits from a tree - BP must have a southern hemisphere climate. Peter S.
      Apr 02, 2002 @ 17:51 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6042. Re: US-Mexico Joint Projects
      victor what i wanted to add yesterday when i had to run is that i am grateful for what you said here below to redeem the natural beauty & freshness of the
      Apr 02, 2002 @ 18:03 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6043. Re: gvivli
      ... Unfortunately, the tripoint isn t on Mont Nimba, as the attached Global Explorer map shows. The 5748ft summit on the Guinea/Cote d Ivoire border is Nimba,
      Apr 02, 2002 @ 16:21 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@blueyonder.co.uk>)
6044. Re: gvivli
      yesss way to go & keep it up marcel & peter too but i have a question about this one it is certainly our best & only gvivli try to date hence an absolute
      Apr 02, 2002 @ 18:39 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6045. Re: gvivli
      wow thanx that was fast m ... Global ... border is ... of Nimba ... highest ... Mount Neun, ... this ... River, ... map, ... River is ... did check ...
      Apr 02, 2002 @ 18:42 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6046. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: gvivli
      Brownlie intepreted bt m donner: http://home.worldonline.dk/~jesniel/border/african_tripoints.htm#gncilr Jesper ... From: Grant Hutchison To: Boundary Point
      Apr 02, 2002 @ 18:44 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6047. finose
      Yes, I know we have seen it before, but here is another great pic. http://www.fjallen.nu/besoka/images/treriks.jpg Jesper
      Apr 02, 2002 @ 21:28 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6048. Chile, Peru, and Bolivia
      http://santiago.hyatt.com/santi/tour/tour2a.html
      Apr 02, 2002 @ 21:47 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
6049. Around lammth
      http://www.marlaine.com/bangkok/elephant/Northern/northern.htm
      Apr 02, 2002 @ 22:00 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6050. Fw: LLM Research Project - continents borders
      Just received this email! Anybody know the answer? Jesper ... From: NomEiny@aol.com To: jesniel@image.dk Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 12:36 AM Subject: LLM
      Apr 02, 2002 @ 22:40 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6051. Wanderlust enclaves article uploaded
      Now that the next issue of Wanderlust is on the newsstands, I have editorial permission to place a copy of my enclaves piece from the previous issue in the
      Apr 02, 2002 @ 23:06 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
6052. Re: [BoundaryPoint] caus highway
      Bill & Fellow Freaks: Because of all this discussion of Zero Avenue, I decided to take a drive down there today. I snapped a ton of pictures and paid more
      Apr 03, 2002 @ 00:25 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
6053. RE: [BoundaryPoint] caus highway
      Very much appreciated Doug! I wish I could say I had broadband... Please let us know when they re posted on your site. I guess you re not in trouble if you
      Apr 03, 2002 @ 00:38 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
6054. Re: [BoundaryPoint] caus highway
      Here s another snap for you... Doug ... From: Bill Hanrahan To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 4:38 PM Subject: RE:
      Apr 03, 2002 @ 01:39 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
6055. RE: [BoundaryPoint] caus highway
      I m savoring these! Is that last shot taken from Canada? Bill ... From: Doug Murray [mailto:doug@dougmurrayproductions.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 8:40
      Apr 03, 2002 @ 03:20 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
6056. Re: [BoundaryPoint] caus highway
      Yes... I took it from Canada, facing south. The border patrol guy was just down the road. I tried to be inconspicuous! Doug ... From: Bill Hanrahan To:
      Apr 03, 2002 @ 05:12 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
6057. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Wanderlust enclaves article uploaded
      I couldn t find Wanderlust here in Finland, but now I finally had a chance to read your enclave article - very nicely written, Grant! Rolf
      Apr 03, 2002 @ 06:53 - Rolf Palmberg (Rolf Palmberg <rpalmber@...>)
6058. Re: [BoundaryPoint] caus highway
      Here s why! ... From: Doug Murray To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] caus highway Yes... I
      Apr 03, 2002 @ 07:05 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
6059. Re: [BoundaryPoint] caus highway
      Two more from my junket today. Promise to post them all soon. Doug ... From: Doug Murray To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 9:12
      Apr 03, 2002 @ 07:07 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
6060. Basque quintipoint
      Attached a map of the Basque quintipoint I have already mentioned a couple of times here. Now when I look at it once more, I am not really convinced anymore of
      Apr 03, 2002 @ 08:19 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
6061. Re: gvivli
      A decent map can be found at http://www.bondy.ird.fr/pleins_textes/cahiers/PTP/27181.PDF Peter S. ...
      Apr 03, 2002 @ 10:30 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6062. cignlr map
      Anticipating that some of you might have trouble viewing PDF s, and altering the name according to the ISO standard, I now attach the map, in which I have
      Apr 03, 2002 @ 10:44 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
6063. RE: [BoundaryPoint] caus highway
      That s a great shot! (Looks like a speed trap!) Can you imagine the excitement when somebody turns around in the median?! Bill ... From: Doug Murray
      Apr 03, 2002 @ 11:49 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
6064. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: tp: czplsk
      ... (I was away for a few days, visiting Gdañsk with a friend. We have made it also to Hel, and back!) There are indeed three obelisks. According to the
      Apr 03, 2002 @ 11:56 - Pepijn Hendriks ("Pepijn Hendriks" <pepijnh@...>)
6065. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: tp: czplsk
      ... In English, the first paragraph of reads: The municipality of Hrèava is wedged between Poland and
      Apr 03, 2002 @ 13:18 - Pepijn Hendriks ("Pepijn Hendriks" <pepijnh@...>)
6066. RE: [BoundaryPoint] caus highway
      the best memory i have of traveling on the usa side was two mailboxes, one in canada and one in the usa. each had a decal of the respective flag on them. they
      Apr 03, 2002 @ 15:35 - Beckett, Bob ("Beckett, Bob" <Bob.Beckett@...>)
6067. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: tp: czplsk
      some beautiful stuff here ... yet is no ones point really as true as everyones point similarly is no mans land as true as everyones land ... this perfectly
      Apr 03, 2002 @ 16:28 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
6068. Re: gvivli
      this map & peters recently added map seem to agree substantially about the tripoint position tho there do remain the various conflicting ideas about the source
      Apr 03, 2002 @ 17:15 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6069. Re: gvivli
      grant that global explorer seems such a great new toy & a distinct advancement on the state of our african data generally so i wonder if we couldnt use it to
      Apr 03, 2002 @ 17:35 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6070. Re: cignlr map
      ... edge, ... of ... Best map I ve seen - thanks for finding it. Mont Richard Molard is another name for Mont Nimba. (Or at least, GeoNET has Mont Richard
      Apr 03, 2002 @ 17:53 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
6071. Re: gvivli
      ... crosscheck ... Global Explorer s data are a good ten years old now, as that teensy copyright notice in the corner of the generated map reveals. Delorme, in
      Apr 03, 2002 @ 18:08 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
6072. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Around lammth
      cant tell what caption goes with what picture nor even guess where the tripoint might lie in all this interesting that there appears to be a potentially
      Apr 03, 2002 @ 18:10 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
6073. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Chile, Peru, and Bolivia
      is the tripoint in the photo or just near it still very good if near since it is evidently the best we have m ... Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger:
      Apr 03, 2002 @ 18:17 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
6074. Re: [BoundaryPoint] TopoZone - The Web's Topographic Map.htm
      jack & david a most elegant & perhaps unique solution to an elegant question as you may know i had previously perused this point in my own megapoint survey yet
      Apr 03, 2002 @ 18:32 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
6075. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: gvivli
      grant I ll happily trawl both progs for ... thanx i will look for the most problematic ones ... great thanx again between the rivers tuira & balsas which fall
      Apr 03, 2002 @ 19:15 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
6076. Re: [BoundaryPoint] caus highway
      Actually there is a bit of a ditch... there, anyway. Unless you had a 4x4, you d get hung up. What I wonder is what would happen if there were an accident
      Apr 03, 2002 @ 19:20 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
6077. Re: caus highway
      doug good to see you back on top of your game but shouldnt the zero avenue sign be at the intersection of mostel road m ... drive down there today. I snapped
      Apr 03, 2002 @ 19:26 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6078. RE: [BoundaryPoint] TopoZone - Washington quad county point
      This quad-county point of King - Kittitas - Pierce - Yakima counties is at N 47 05 14 , W 121 22 42 at Naches Pass at about 4920 ft. National Forest
      Apr 03, 2002 @ 19:32 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
6079. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: caus highway
      That was just up the road near the intersection of Zero Ave. and MoneyDown Ave. ... From: acroorca2002 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April
      Apr 03, 2002 @ 20:40 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
6080. Darien road gap closed
      ... Both the Delorme programs show this gap closed by a local road. Rather than post a big off-topic file here, would you like me to e- mail you a map? Grant
      Apr 03, 2002 @ 21:05 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
6081. Re: TopoZone - Washington quad county point
      jack i still like this just as much but my nearsightedness had missed the fact that these are 2 opposite watersheds descending from that pass for i was
      Apr 03, 2002 @ 22:18 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6082. Re: Darien road gap closed
      that is so exciting i can scarcely believe it a lifelong dream comes true evidently but can you confirm there is no gap remaining anywhere else & i would say
      Apr 03, 2002 @ 22:27 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6083. Re: cignlr map
      no interest here in proving you wrong peter since that would be off point anyway but thanx to this map we do get the clear idea that the cote divoire liberia
      Apr 03, 2002 @ 22:40 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6084. african tripoints by delorme
      ... I ll happily trawl both progs for ... wow my difficulty is that they are almost all problematic to some degree just going thru the many beginning with the
      Apr 03, 2002 @ 23:08 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6085. Re: cignlr map
      peter you are the master of the technique of matching photography to topo maps so i need your help for confirmation here but it now seems to me that your map
      Apr 03, 2002 @ 23:46 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6086. Re: cignlr map with corrected link
      ... me ... than ... the ... trail ... off ... the ... top
      Apr 03, 2002 @ 23:48 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6087. On Qatar-Saudi Arabia
      http://www.ignfi.fr/france/projets/diversarabiesaoud.htm On my map the tp with UAE looks undefined. Jesper
      Apr 03, 2002 @ 23:56 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6088. brgysr
      http://www.voillemont-deiber.qc.ca/aventure/uyane/service.htm
      Apr 04, 2002 @ 00:01 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
6089. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: TopoZone - Washington quad county point
      Michael, I agree that it is not highly probable that there is a little pool of water in the pass with the water having difficulty deciding which way to
      Apr 04, 2002 @ 05:06 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
6090. last virtual tripoints visits
      Thanks to all for for your posts and maps about my last virtual visits to new tripoints, clarifying exact positions. Jesper: excellent job. Another american
      Apr 04, 2002 @ 07:48 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
6091. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: tp: czplsk
      ... Tripoint The municipality of Hrèava is wedged between Poland and Slovakia. The common point belonging to no-one, and at the same to all three states, the
      Apr 04, 2002 @ 10:44 - Pepijn Hendriks ("Pepijn Hendriks" <pepijnh@...>)
6092. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: tp: czplsk
      Great work, Pepijn - thanks a lot/bedankt!!! Can t wait to get there - our expedition will be visiting this tp on July 2 in the morning - wanna come..??? all
      Apr 04, 2002 @ 14:36 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
6093. Nova Scotia - Newfoundland offshore boundary
      Interesting news item about the Nova Scotia - Newfoundland offshore boundary. Source: Globe & Mail, Wed. Apr. 3, 2002. Nfld. bests N.S. in tribunal s
      Apr 04, 2002 @ 16:08 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
6094. Re: [BoundaryPoint] On Qatar-Saudi Arabia
      ... & i believe the tripoint with bahrain was partly defined by the recent icj bhqa boundary decision that launched a terminal loxodrome of bhqa in the
      Apr 04, 2002 @ 17:18 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
6095. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: TopoZone - Washington quad county point
      Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here
      Apr 04, 2002 @ 17:34 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
6096. Re: cignlr map with corrected link
      acroorca2002 wrote: (...)darkhorse pic from marcels last link http://yekepa.digitalfarmers.com/GIFandJPGs/1960s_bernt3.jpg giving marcel a clear if still
      Apr 04, 2002 @ 17:44 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6097. Re: Wanderlust enclaves article uploaded
      ... Thanks, Rolf. Hope you thought the enclave information was correct, too! Grant
      Apr 04, 2002 @ 17:53 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
6098. Re: cignlr map with corrected link
      ... I suppose, given the 200m contour interval, Nuon (as we re calling it) and Gbaam could be approximately the same height. Gbaam is 1385m, and
      Apr 04, 2002 @ 18:00 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
6099. Re: Nova Scotia - Newfoundland offshore boundary
      See http://www.gov.nf.ca/releases/2002/mines&en/0402n01.htm Nice maps! Peter S. ... boundary. Source: Globe & Mail, Wed. Apr. 3, 2002. ... jubilation and
      Apr 04, 2002 @ 18:04 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6100. RE: [BoundaryPoint] caus highway
      Have to give that one some thought...there are endless possibilities! ... From: Doug Murray [mailto:doug@dougmurrayproductions.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 03,
      Apr 04, 2002 @ 18:46 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
6101. Re: tp: czplsk
      thanx again pepijn for the high level of play silky smooth as usual nor is that easy in translation it also amazes me to see such a bp minded article evidently
      Apr 04, 2002 @ 18:46 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6102. Re: [BoundaryPoint] caus highway
      Now, here s an interesting question - what would happen if a car were somehow to end up in Mexico after such an accident? Most auto insurance policies issued
      Apr 04, 2002 @ 18:52 - Jon Amato (Jon Amato <jamato@...>)
6103. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Nova Scotia - Newfoundland offshore boundary
      this is neat & odd it appears the courts award is not of actual provincial territory but of something that might be called provincial eezs unprecedented so far
      Apr 04, 2002 @ 19:07 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
6104. Re: tp: czplsk
      acroorca2002 wrote: thanx again pepijn for the high level of play(...) Yes, brilliant, thanks from me, too. (...)[Pepijn:]Hrèava is also the smallest of
      Apr 04, 2002 @ 19:08 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6105. Re: caus highway
      awfully high impact if it actually reached mexico there is a somewhat similar pair of roads there tho between lukeville & quitobaquito arizona running
      Apr 04, 2002 @ 19:23 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6106. Re: brgysr
      surreal looking photo as viewed at this library or can you improve on it m
      Apr 04, 2002 @ 19:32 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6107. Re: cignlr map with corrected link
      ok thanxx you guys for both opinions & yes i too think the photographer is northeast of nimba & that nimba is the height of land partly shown at right but
      Apr 04, 2002 @ 19:46 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6108. Re: brgysr -> brgfsr / brfrsr
      I think that the tripoint Brasil-Surinam-FRENCH Guyana is meant here (so brgfsr, or brfrsr, if you like). The rest of the story implies it (itinerary to the
      Apr 04, 2002 @ 19:49 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6109. Re: cignlr map with corrected link
      ... Gbaam is the 4544ft (1385m) summit at the SW end of the range on my Global Explorer map. It is off the bottom left of Peter s PDF map. Grant
      Apr 04, 2002 @ 19:58 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
6110. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: brgysr -> brgfsr / brfrsr
      thanx that explains a lot & i do like brfrsr but i still cant see the pic can you greatly beguiled by the impressionistic image tho as this is one i dont think
      Apr 04, 2002 @ 20:11 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
6111. Re: brgysr -> brgfsr / brfrsr
      ... Yes. My IGN 1:500000 of French Guiana (Guyane, in French) shows the FRSR border leaving BRFRSR along the line of the Koule Koule river. Grant
      Apr 04, 2002 @ 20:11 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
6112. Fw: [BoundaryPoint] caus highway
      Brendan -- Where did you see the original story on Zero Ave? I ve been trying to find it without much luck. I did find this at the MSNBC site:
      Apr 04, 2002 @ 20:15 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
6113. Re: brgysr -> brgfsr / brfrsr
      http://www.voillemont-deiber.qc.ca/images/bornetrijonction.jpg Text accompanying it: Une tour de trente cinq mètres matérialise la frontière entre le
      Apr 04, 2002 @ 20:17 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6114. Re: brgysr -> brgfsr / brfrsr
      Here s the jpg clipped out of the original web page. A tower in the forest (taken from what vantage point, I wonder). Does that help? Grant
      Apr 04, 2002 @ 20:18 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@blueyonder.co.uk>)
6115. fresh try du jour
      Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here
      Apr 04, 2002 @ 20:39 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
6116. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: brgysr -> brgfsr / brfrsr
      well yes & thanx but i am still just seeing an exquisitely multicolored pointillist rendition of something or other presumably what you are talking about but
      Apr 04, 2002 @ 20:52 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
6117. Re: Fw: [BoundaryPoint] caus highway
      Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here
      Apr 04, 2002 @ 20:58 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
6118. Re: Fw: [BoundaryPoint] caus highway
      wow thats a first the message i sent was hey but did you see the part about that wild & crazy czechoslovakian guy who tried to sneak not only across the border
      Apr 04, 2002 @ 21:05 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6119. Good Timing: Report on border cameras near Zero Ave
      Imagine my surprise this morning when I opened the paper to see an article on the border cameras that the US has placed along the border near Vancouver.
      Apr 04, 2002 @ 21:43 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@...>)
6120. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Good Timing: Report on border cameras near Zero Ave
      Doug, that link doesn t work for me. Anyone else? Bill ... From: Doug Murray Productions [mailto:doug@dougmurrayproductions.com] Sent: Thursday, April 04,
      Apr 04, 2002 @ 21:46 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
6121. Let's see if this works! CAUS border story
      Print Story - canada.com network Cameras target border jumpers Staff now can see why a sensor has been tripped Glenn Bohn Vancouver Sun Thursday, April 04,
      Apr 04, 2002 @ 21:51 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
6122. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Let's see if this works! CAUS border story
      Print Story - canada.com networkIt worked! Thanks Doug. Bill
      Apr 04, 2002 @ 22:14 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
6123. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Let's see if this works! CAUS border story
      Print Story - canada.com network ...which used to be known as the world s longest undefended border. Auspicious words. Bill ... From: Bill Hanrahan
      Apr 04, 2002 @ 22:20 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
6124. Re: fresh try du jour
      ... hahahahaha class e to be sure another cosmic blackout but i really did write something it just didnt arrive so i will try to reconstitute the original
      Apr 05, 2002 @ 04:11 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6125. Re: fresh try du jour
      ... hahahahaha class e to be sure another cosmic blackout but i really did write something it just didnt arrive so i will try to reconstitute the original
      Apr 05, 2002 @ 04:12 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6126. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: tp: czplsk
      ... I ve read the Czech in the same way as your explanation above. The English is of course meant to reflect that. Apologies for any ambiguities :-) -Pepijn --
      Apr 05, 2002 @ 09:14 - Pepijn Hendriks ("Pepijn Hendriks" <pepijnh@...>)
6127. Re: cignlr map with corrected link
      ... ok then i was evidently taking or mistaking grants mt gbaam for mt nuon but i now think what brownlie means by mont nuon is just the height of land from
      Apr 05, 2002 @ 14:13 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6128. Re: tp: czplsk
      ... four ... it was actually clear pepijn especially with benefit of hindsight but i guess i just couldnt imagine the author being so fussy as to compare the
      Apr 05, 2002 @ 15:12 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6129. Re: Let's see if this works! CAUS border story
      Regarding the quote from this story: The posting of the Canada Customs inspectors in Newark has created some unease among Canadians worried about their
      Apr 05, 2002 @ 16:54 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
6130. Re: Let's see if this works! CAUS border story
      i agree len ridiculous & absurd as well as off target just like many of the other so called news items we get here from well meaning members who apparently
      Apr 05, 2002 @ 17:35 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6131. Re: cignlr map with corrected link
      ... just I think it is a summit, though - that long narrow loop of 1200m contour with the black summit marker at the SW end has two sources of the Nuon
      Apr 05, 2002 @ 18:08 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
6132. Re: brgysr -> brgfsr / brfrsr
      yes thanx now i can see it taken from that triborder helicopter i would guess do you suppose the tower itself monuments the point or just a smaller marker we
      Apr 05, 2002 @ 18:09 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6133. Re: Let's see if this works! CAUS border story
      Funny that they d be uneasy with Canadian officials operating in the United States. How about US Customs pre-screening operating at numerous Canadian
      Apr 05, 2002 @ 18:52 - mls515.rm ("mls515.rm" <mls515@...>)
6134. Re: cignlr map with corrected link
      ... mt ... height ... of ... the ... SW. ... the summit of the 1500 meter long whaleback could well be right per peters map which is the most credible source
      Apr 05, 2002 @ 19:38 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6135. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Let's see if this works! CAUS border story
      As a Canadian, it doesn t bother me as long as it s a two way street. And I, for one, think that we should have combined security for North America minus
      Apr 06, 2002 @ 00:17 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
6136. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Let's see if this works! CAUS border story
      More... I found all the answers to the US Customs agents on Canadian soil question. Scroll to question six for legal authority of US officers.
      Apr 06, 2002 @ 00:29 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
6137. Re: Let's see if this works! CAUS border story
      That link was a great read. I enjoyed it. Thanks Len ... question. Scroll to question six for legal authority of US officers. ... story ... the ... about.
      Apr 06, 2002 @ 00:53 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
6138. Re: Let's see if this works! CAUS border story
      I stand corrected! My apologies, I was going off bad information. The preclearance is a fantastic idea in my opinion because it enables more direct flights
      Apr 06, 2002 @ 02:40 - mls515.rm ("mls515.rm" <mls515@...>)
6139. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: TopoZone - Washington quad county point
      Michael, What was the message here? Jack ... From: m donner [mailto:maxivan82@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 12:34 PM To:
      Apr 06, 2002 @ 04:42 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
6140. Re: TopoZone - Washington quad county point
      jack apologies as my library computer was shooting blanks that day but i think the message was simply that even if kikipiya isnt a perfect fiat quadripoint
      Apr 06, 2002 @ 11:45 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6141. Re: Let's see if this works! CAUS border story
      The US also operates preclearance in Bermuda (which I ve been through myself) as well as on some other Caribbean islands (which I ve only been told is so).
      Apr 06, 2002 @ 22:44 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
6142. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Let's see if this works! CAUS border story
      I think they also do the same preclearance in some European airports -- but can t find the info. I did find list that included Aruba, Bahamas (2), Bermuda,
      Apr 07, 2002 @ 01:07 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
6143. Re: Let's see if this works! CAUS border story
      I ve departed Heathrow for the US twice, once on BA from Terminal 4 and the other time on VS from Terminal 3. I ve never seen or experienced US preclearance
      Apr 07, 2002 @ 03:17 - mls515.rm ("mls515.rm" <mls515@...>)
6144. Re: Let's see if this works! CAUS border story
      From: Doug ... anyone anyone what do you mean would anyone like to do it at heathrow or is anyone sure or can anyone see if this works or does this work for
      Apr 07, 2002 @ 04:04 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6145. revised site address
      change of URL-address: The location of the Dutch/European border site has been changed as of April 4th: after having been entirely off-line for more than a
      Apr 07, 2002 @ 06:52 - kahbeh2000 ("kahbeh2000" <kahbeh@...>)
6146. Re: Let's see if this works! CAUS border story
      Anyone? I understood it. It meant anybody else out there with input about this or any other location where they know about or experienced any preclearance
      Apr 07, 2002 @ 16:00 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
6147. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Let's see if this works! CAUS border story
      Exactly. ... From: lnadybal To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 9:00 AM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Let s see if this works! CAUS
      Apr 07, 2002 @ 17:26 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
6148. bede2linwrp & belu2lilulu etc.
      For people that know German, a nice site on some old inner-German boundaries and boundary stones is at:
      Apr 07, 2002 @ 20:48 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
6149. Re: US-Mexico Joint Projects
      wow thanks for all the detailed info, the maritime boundaries hadn t even occured to me. landlubber! In regards to the bcazca and sonbcaz tripoints i didn t
      Apr 07, 2002 @ 21:46 - drpotatoes ("drpotatoes" <drpotatoes@...>)
6150. Re: US-Mexico Joint Projects
      victor great new pix & reports & please do add more any time m azbcso can be seen & probably reached but the veggies do just block both the view & the access
      Apr 08, 2002 @ 01:55 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6151. Re: bede2linwrp & belu2lilulu etc.
      way to go peter for we are loving these fresh imported intersecondary points why because they are just as real & multisovereign as any multipoints yet somehow
      Apr 08, 2002 @ 02:25 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6152. Re: Let's see if this works! CAUS border story
      ok then we see it works a cause border story m ... story ... about ... any ... nice ... known ... cobbled ... named ... parts ... classification ... these ...
      Apr 08, 2002 @ 02:38 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6153. scandinavian quintipoint documentation elusive
      arif you reported way back in message 3757 referring to the map in message 1936 ... & i have been trying to confirm these data ever since nor have i even found
      Apr 08, 2002 @ 04:29 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6154. Asian tripoints
      I ve found an interesting french thesis about boundaries in the Himalaian zone. A lot information about boundaries, treaties, disputed areas, undelimited
      Apr 08, 2002 @ 08:10 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
6155. Re: scandinavian quintipoint documentation elusive
      acroorca2002 wrote: (...)nor have i even found an online atlas for sweden or norway(...) Statens Kartverk s Norgesglasset (
      Apr 08, 2002 @ 17:38 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6156. Point Roberts Pics
      The people who run the Kat Kam (great web cam of my Vancouver home -- http://www.telemark.net/cgi-shl/wc.pl ) have added a page with lots of aerial photos of
      Apr 09, 2002 @ 05:12 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@...>)
6157. Re: Asian tripoints
      ... disputed ... tripoints ... find ... hahahahaha hahahahahaha burrrp that was interesting as well as delicious especially those subdivisional maps & what
      Apr 09, 2002 @ 14:52 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6158. Re: scandinavian quintipoint documentation elusive
      wonderful thanx peter that does give me the greater part of what i was looking for yet it also represents a setback in classifying & naming this point inasmuch
      Apr 09, 2002 @ 15:12 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6159. Re: Point Roberts Pics
      ... Pictures 1, 2, 3, 111 & 112 feature Point Roberts or Boundary Bay. Picture #2 has the best view. Can you spot the border?! those who can spot the border
      Apr 09, 2002 @ 15:42 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6160. Re: bede2linwrp & belu2lilulu etc.
      peter a very minor kibitz but i see the cia map of luxembourg at perry castaneda shows this tripoint in the diekirch district of luxembourg rather than the
      Apr 09, 2002 @ 16:34 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6161. Re: scandinavian quintipoint documentation elusive
      acroorca2002 wrote: (...)the part involving the internal swedish boundary of ... source i still cant find(...) Yes, it s also true! Probably another
      Apr 09, 2002 @ 16:37 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6162. Re: bede2linwrp & belu2lilulu etc.
      Yes, you re right. It s just that any subdivisions in Luxembourg between country and municipality don t mean a lot in that country. Apart from districts, they
      Apr 09, 2002 @ 16:51 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6163. Re: Point Roberts Pics
      acroorca2002 wrote: (...)it is unusual for tripoints to come in threes like this What about the three secundary tripoints benl2lilili (benl2lililiw,
      Apr 09, 2002 @ 17:46 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6164. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Point Roberts Pics
      Yeeeeeeeeeeeow! Those tripoints look like poems by the Knights Who Say Ni! (With apologies to Python, Monty). Doug ... From: ps1966nl To:
      Apr 10, 2002 @ 00:14 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
6165. more US/MEX photos
      This is from time.com an article they did on the US/MEX border a while back some cool photos of the iron curtain and one of a monument almost completely
      Apr 10, 2002 @ 06:33 - drpotatoes ("drpotatoes" <drpotatoes@...>)
6166. Re: more US/MEX photos
      There s more to this article than I realized click here to check out all 4 photo essays includes some aerial shots of the rio grande at laredo/nuevo laredo,
      Apr 10, 2002 @ 06:41 - drpotatoes ("drpotatoes" <drpotatoes@...>)
6167. Re: scandinavian quintipoint documentation elusive
      yep that does it a confirmed & reconfirmed quintipoint tho i too cant tell if the swedish internal boundary is municipal or submunicipal & in addition it
      Apr 10, 2002 @ 18:09 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6168. Re: bede2linwrp & belu2lilulu etc.
      thanx peter glad to share in your hit & now to even beg for your pic at your easy convenience of course also had the great thrill of zeroing in on all of lu2
      Apr 10, 2002 @ 19:53 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6169. Re: Point Roberts Pics
      hahahaha interpret ni pal for unfamiliar members this triple tripoint phenom also occurs at kymotn in the usa owing to the kentucky bend exclave there but your
      Apr 10, 2002 @ 20:16 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6170. Re: more US/MEX photos
      wow looks like the wind that is burying it is the same wind that is blowing it over spectacular last minute catch too m ... a
      Apr 10, 2002 @ 20:54 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6171. re places with few to zero tripoints
      correction & additions ... oops make that digrlu ... but feast your eyes on greenlands 3 divisions & lonely tripoint at
      Apr 10, 2002 @ 22:38 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6172. IndoBangla Exclaves - again
      I just found this in a book review for a book entitled Indo-Bangla Mistrust: The Tin Bigha Corridor is no larger than a football field. The Nehru-Noon accord
      Apr 11, 2002 @ 00:52 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
6173. Re: [BoundaryPoint] re places with few to zero tripoints
      Hello Mike, ... NO official subdivisions at all? But surely, municipalities would count as official subdivisions, wouldn t they? The only place I could think
      Apr 11, 2002 @ 08:35 - Anton Florian Zeilinger ("Anton Florian Zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
6174. Re: re places with few to zero tripoints
      acroorca2002 wrote: (...)feast your eyes on greenlands 3 divisions & lonely tripoint at http://www.mindspring.com/~gwil/mgl.html (...) Strange, though, that
      Apr 11, 2002 @ 16:16 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6175. Re: re places with few to zero tripoints
      it is strange that the 2 versions dont agree & also that the cia seems to agree with both of us according to it greenlands lonely only major domestic tripoint
      Apr 11, 2002 @ 17:40 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6176. Re: re places with few to zero tripoints
      acroorca2002 wrote: (...)we are surprised & diverted practically everywhere if we expect subdivisional reality to conform to the simple hierarchy of our
      Apr 11, 2002 @ 17:47 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6177. Re: re places with few to zero tripoints
      greetings anton & glad to hear from the antons again generally as well you know for a while back there i was imagining we were all antons here even made the
      Apr 11, 2002 @ 16:41 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6178. Re: re places with few to zero tripoints
      acroorca2002 wrote: (...)today montserrat has a new map up on the net i cant find just now featuring no parishes but 3 new zones called dangerous & moderate &
      Apr 11, 2002 @ 18:16 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6179. Enclave thesis
      Have y all seen this? http://rationality.albertina.ru/arcs.phtml?arc=14 My apologies if it is old news... Mats
      Apr 11, 2002 @ 19:16 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
6180. Gwadar (former Omani exclave)
      I found a site about the former Omani exclave of Gwadar - http://www.oman.org/bonn_007.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Christian Berghänel Sweden
      Apr 11, 2002 @ 20:32 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
6181. Re: Enclave thesis
      It s new news to me. Of course, this is from the Albertina, i.e. Kaliningrad State University. K grad Russians are more than preoccupied with their status.
      Apr 11, 2002 @ 21:09 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6182. boundaries and roads in Australia
      You can of course read in excruciating depth about Tin Bigha in my thesis. I even have maps of it. In the Melbourne paper The Age yesterday were 100
      Apr 12, 2002 @ 00:24 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <b.whyte@...>)
6183. Re: IndoBangla Exclaves - again
      a cool thing about the tin bigha corridor is that even tho it isnt a real condominium territory with joint international sovereignty like the worlds 6 other
      Apr 12, 2002 @ 01:38 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6184. Re: boundaries and roads in Australia
      hey brendan i am way over my head as usual but could you just beam us the corridor map so we can at least see if the purported 4way flashers on the corners
      Apr 12, 2002 @ 02:14 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6185. Re: Enclave thesis
      nice to have this reassembly of many basic clave ideas tho i couldnt quite see how the author figured the experience would be of value to the entire world also
      Apr 12, 2002 @ 02:55 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6186. Re: re places with few to zero tripoints
      there you have done it again for this is a far better map than the one i saw but couldnt recover & which also placed the tripoint in about the same position
      Apr 12, 2002 @ 03:15 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6187. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: re places with few to zero tripoints
      ghaut must be from the language Hindi where it means a place next to a water body where people assemble to take bath or a place where washermen collectively
      Apr 12, 2002 @ 03:31 - amar6277@yahoo.com (<amar6277@...>)
6188. Re: Enclave thesis
      Greetings, Mr. Vinokurov s document made interesting reading. I think it is useful for anyone in the world who needs a primer on how to catalog things. It is
      Apr 12, 2002 @ 14:57 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
6189. Secundairy tripoint in Australia
      Cameron s Corner is the place where the borders of Queensland, New South Wales, and South Australia meet. There is a marker A lot of interesting other things
      Apr 12, 2002 @ 18:53 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
6190. Re: re places with few to zero tripoints
      thanx amar that is an interesting historico etymological one how did hindu reach this west indian island early enough to have sprinkled its entire map with
      Apr 12, 2002 @ 18:47 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6191. Re: Enclave thesis
      well it is nice to hear what you wish & enjoy len yet being of value to the entire world wasnt immaterial to the author who expressly wished & claimed it for
      Apr 12, 2002 @ 18:24 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6192. Re: Enclave thesis
      Sorry... I was commenting on the phrase in the message I responded to which found curious, which was: nice to have this reassembly of many basic clave ideas
      Apr 12, 2002 @ 21:43 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
6193. Re: re places with few to zero tripoints
      new multipointing & etymological discoveries on montserrat & st kitts nevis detailed below with thanx again to this question ... subdivisions ... count as ...
      Apr 12, 2002 @ 22:41 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6194. Re: Enclave thesis
      dear len no apologies nor regrets needed as my interest in what you & everyone else here likes desires wishes enjoys etc is sincere for that has general value
      Apr 12, 2002 @ 23:25 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6195. Re: Enclave thesis
      Any of you going to try to lose 10 pounds by the 14th of May? LN ... want ... to ... of ... in ... nitty-gritty ... the ... and
      Apr 13, 2002 @ 00:05 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
6196. Gwadar & Tin bigha
      ... I contacted Dr Nicolini last year, and she sent me a couple of articles sh ed written on Gwadar. She hasn t investigated the negotations for the sale of it
      Apr 13, 2002 @ 06:51 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <b.whyte@...>)
6197. cheap new quintipointing thrill with map & pix
      a map featuring yesterdays newfound nevis quintipoint http://www.tc.umn.edu/~terre011/nevparish.html on nevis peak so lets hear a warm bp welcome for
      Apr 13, 2002 @ 14:45 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6198. ghaut instincts
      it has been so beguiling to be presented with apparent evidence of hindi scribbled all over the map of a few select windward islands ghaut in montserrat ghut
      Apr 13, 2002 @ 16:00 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6199. Re: ghaut instincts
      From the Dictionary of Caribbean English Usage by Richard Allsopp (Oxford University Press, Oxford, 1996): ghaut (ghut, gut) n (Montserrat, St. Kitts, Virgin
      Apr 13, 2002 @ 17:18 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6200. Pre 1947- British India
      Hello, For all those interested in pre-1947 British India, here s a site: http://www.terra.es/personal7/jqvaraderey/india.htm Please check out the maps, which
      Apr 13, 2002 @ 19:02 - imnaanu ("imnaanu" <imnaanu@...>)
6201. Re: ghaut instincts
      See also http://www.bartleby.com/61/13/G0111300.html So via Hindi from Sanskrit. Ghattah sounds a bit like gutter. And Ghaut sounds like the Dutch Goot
      Apr 13, 2002 @ 17:42 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6202. Re: Pre 1947- British India
      imnaanu wrote: Hello, For all those interested in pre-1947 British India, here s a site: http://www.terra.es/personal7/jqvaraderey/india.htm (...) Thanks!
      Apr 13, 2002 @ 20:34 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6203. More Danish secondary tripoints
      at http://home.worldonline.dk/~jesniel/border/amttp/amttp.htm Jesper
      Feb 13, 2002 @ 21:49 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6204. New Easter pics dedk
      and the history of dedk (in Danish) with a picture from the demarcation commision: http://www.dansk-tysk.dk/graensen.html 72.jpg: Border marker 72, D=Denmark
      Feb 13, 2002 @ 21:58 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
6205. Asian exclave?
      Hi, does anyone have an idea where this exclave could be: http://www.jekai.org/entries/aa/00/nn/aa00nn29.htm I m betting on Japan, but it s hard to tell. The
      Apr 13, 2002 @ 22:41 - Anton Florian Zeilinger ("Anton Florian Zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
6206. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: re places with few to zero tripoints
      So, Bengali has the word Ghaut (actually, ghat in tha language) too. I remember the time when I went near a ghat on a small lake and saw the pelicans which I
      Apr 14, 2002 @ 01:15 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
6207. Re: re places with few to zero tripoints
      I don t propose this as any sort of definitive list, but here, for interest and discussion, are the countries and dependencies for which FIPS currently
      Apr 14, 2002 @ 16:57 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
6208. Re: [BoundaryPoint] re places with few to zero tripoints
      Greenland might even have a quadropoint: http://www.geodata-info.dk/greenland/images/gl1_2.gif Jesper ... From: acroorca2002 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
      Feb 14, 2002 @ 20:00 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6209. Re: re places with few to zero tripoints
      That is the result of the extramunicipal National park belonging to two provinces , in my opinion. Peter S. ... point ... subdivisions ... tripoint ...
      Apr 14, 2002 @ 19:18 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6210. Greenlandic local Brunei
      Have a look at KMS s nice site of Greenlandic maps ( www.kms.dk , choose Find et sted , then Find et sted i Grønland ). The quadripoint is there all right.
      Apr 14, 2002 @ 19:45 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6211. More on Greenland
      The municipal and regional boundaries are described in the Greenlandic law to be seen at http://www.gh.gl/dk/love/1998/11-98.htm Now we know that the
      Apr 14, 2002 @ 20:21 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6212. RE: [BoundaryPoint] re places with few to zero tripoints
      Greenland might even have a quadropoint: http://www.geodata-info.dk/greenland/images/gl1_2.gif Jesper If so, it would probably be impossible to mark because
      Apr 15, 2002 @ 01:54 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
6213. Re: re places with few to zero tripoints
      this fips list kept by the american state department appears to be in substantial but not complete agreement with the iso standard list maintained by the
      Apr 15, 2002 @ 03:28 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6214. Re: re places with few to zero tripoints
      ... cool in any case but not yet confirmed if we can believe the cia st kitts nevis divides itself into 14 primary subdivisions of which all 5 in nevis meet at
      Apr 15, 2002 @ 03:42 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6215. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: re places with few to zero tripoints
      Subdivisions Bosnia and Herzegovina, see : http://www.vdiest.nl/boznia.htm Malta, see : http://www.vdiest.nl/malta.htm regards Franc ... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
      Apr 15, 2002 @ 03:48 - Franc Van Diest ("Franc Van Diest" <franc@...>)
6216. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Nevis
      Hallo all See attached image of Nevis Island showing the parish borders regards Franc
      Apr 15, 2002 @ 03:55 - Franc Van Diest ("Franc Van Diest" <franc@vdiest.nl>)
6217. Re: More Danish secondary tripoints
      ... please check link it may just be the very primitive computer i am using & your other message works fine but i cant get this one to work m i still cant say
      Apr 15, 2002 @ 03:56 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6218. Re: Nevis
      thanx franc much nicer than the map in message 6197 but same 1998 date & data whereas the iso 3166 2 standard denying that this subdivision is still relevant
      Apr 15, 2002 @ 04:07 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6219. Re: ghaut instincts
      latin gutta meaning a drop of water gives english gutter so likely dutch goot too & these are evidently not related to ghat ghut ghaut ghattah meaning mountain
      Apr 15, 2002 @ 04:22 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6220. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: More Danish secondary tripoints
      Link OK ... From: acroorca2002 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 5:56 AM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: More Danish secondary
      Apr 15, 2002 @ 05:12 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6221. Wildman or tripoint freak?
      From http://coombs.anu.edu.au/~vern/wildman.html ... Professor Viet and some other Vietnamese scientists believe that this region, the so called three
      Apr 15, 2002 @ 08:07 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
6222. Re: re places with few to zero tripoints
      ... FIPS is pretty regularly updated, too. The Monaco communes, for instances, were officially deleted by the third FIPS update. But I agree we re not really
      Apr 15, 2002 @ 15:30 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
6223. Re: re places with few to zero tripoints
      ... Interestingly, despite mapping all those parishes, this website concludes that Malta has no primary administrative divisions. Are they purely religious?
      Apr 15, 2002 @ 15:33 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
6224. Re: re places with few to zero tripoints
      ... well.) Duh. They re council areas. Don t know where I got the idea they were parishes. G
      Apr 15, 2002 @ 15:58 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
6225. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: TopoZone - Washington quad county point
      Thanks, Jack, this IS an instance of what I was looking for, although I was imagining 4 ridges coming to a peak, and not two ridges and two course lines coming
      Apr 15, 2002 @ 16:58 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
6226. Disbuted town on Scottish/English border offer money to rejoin Scotland
      A border dispute that has not cost any lives. http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/scotland/newsid_1930000/193082 1.stm -Andrew
      Apr 15, 2002 @ 17:15 - shocktm ("shocktm" <andrew@...>)
6227. Re: re places with few to zero tripoints
      acroorca2002 wrote: (...)[Arif Samad]Doesn t Monaco have four divisions? Monaco, Monte- Carlo, La Condamine and Fontvieille or something. yes it did have 4
      Apr 15, 2002 @ 17:17 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6228. Ethiopia/Eritrea Border
      A five member panel of the Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague has issued its ruling on the border dispute between Ethiopia and Eritrea. The dispute
      Apr 15, 2002 @ 17:14 - shocktm ("shocktm" <andrew@...>)
6229. Re: re places with few to zero tripoints
      Peter S. wrote: (...)Monaco consists of only one municipality (or commune). Maybe this is a recent development, and the CIA and UN have acted accordingly.
      Apr 15, 2002 @ 17:26 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6230. Re: Ethiopia/Eritrea Border
      So no tripoint djeret established yet: Article I of the 1908 Treaty provides that the boundary, running southeast and at distance of 60 km from the coast,
      Apr 15, 2002 @ 18:22 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6231. Re: Disbuted town on Scottish/English border offer money to rejoin Scotland
      Interesting. Looking at the map (multimap.com), it appears the England-Scotland border follows the river Tweed and veers north just before reaching Berwick.
      Apr 15, 2002 @ 19:11 - mls515.rm ("mls515.rm" <mls515@...>)
6232. Re: More Danish secondary tripoints
      good show jesper & it looks like you have already tried most of them 7 out of 12 within dk2 if i am not mistaken a pioneer majority meld few people have
      Apr 15, 2002 @ 20:10 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6233. Re: Disbuted town on Scottish/English border offer money to rejoin Scotland
      What strikes me is the following: The town stands on the northern bank of the river Tweed - which is officially a Scottish river - and its football and rugby
      Apr 15, 2002 @ 19:53 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6234. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: More Danish secondary tripoints
      There is only one dry dk2 left, I am not that interested in the very wet ones. Jesper ... From: acroorca2002 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday,
      Apr 15, 2002 @ 20:27 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6235. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Ethiopia/Eritrea Border
      On the border conflict http://home.wxs.nl/~hans.mebrat/0001.HTM Jesper
      Apr 15, 2002 @ 20:29 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6236. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Disbuted town on Scottish/English border offer money to rejoin Scotland
      ... There is an old story (not sure if it is true) that states that at the start of the First World War, the exact position of the english/scotish border was
      Apr 15, 2002 @ 20:37 - Gerard J Keating ("Gerard J Keating" <gerard@...>)
6237. Re: More Danish secondary tripoints
      great i am cheering for your complete dry meld of dk2 then if that is your aim a feat evidently only accomplished in the past for the usa & perhaps oz m btw
      Apr 15, 2002 @ 21:14 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6238. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Ethiopia/Eritrea Border
      On the border conflict http://home.wxs.nl/~hans.mebrat/0001.HTM ... From: ps1966nl To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 8:22 PM
      Apr 15, 2002 @ 18:57 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6239. Re: TopoZone - Washington quad county point
      great paper david & i am pleased jacks fantastic discovery here satisfies your needs also i realize you are working from a theoretical basis & that your
      Apr 15, 2002 @ 22:20 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6240. Re: Wildman or tripoint freak?
      well marcel why not both at once a natural combination & this is also the best or most hopeful shot we have of khlavn which is at least shown on maps to be in
      Apr 15, 2002 @ 22:37 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6241. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Digest Number 663
      PLaces like Singapore and HK certainly have electoral boundaries, post code boundaries, etc. And I am positive both have administrative boundaries, because
      Apr 16, 2002 @ 00:41 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <b.whyte@...>)
6242. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Point Roberts Pics
      Knights Who Say Ni -- Keepers of the sacred words: Ni, Ping and Nee-womm! Big fans of shrubbery. Creations of the UK comedy troupe Monty Python s Flying
      Apr 16, 2002 @ 01:21 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
6243. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: TopoZone - Washington quad county point
      Michael, good point to note that course lines are not identical to thalwegs. But surely, the proof of this pudding in this case would lie in the exact wording
      Apr 16, 2002 @ 01:47 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
6244. bonazazi?
      Since I am new to this list, not sure whether this got discussed before. Do Botswana, Namibia, Zimbabwe and Zambia form a quadpoint near Vitoria Falls or there
      Apr 16, 2002 @ 02:40 - amar6277@yahoo.com (<amar6277@...>)
6245. Can a point also be a border?
      Hi all, I ve been wondering about this one for a while, and since I m a newbie to the the group it s quite possible that the subject has come up at some point
      Apr 16, 2002 @ 07:48 - drpotatoes ("drpotatoes" <drpotatoes@...>)
6246. intersting link about borders in a somewhat philosophical way (german)
      hi, i found a very impressive work about borders in general. its in german language and you find it on http://www.mms-spiess.ch/Inhalt.htm bye, chris
      Mar 19, 2002 @ 11:21 - chris ("chris" <wertkauf@...>)
6247. Re: intersting link about borders in a somewhat philosophical way (german)
      Wow!!! Have you cheked this link on the bibliography? Incredible postcards about historical borders and tripoints! Don t miss it! http://www.zollgeschichte.de
      Apr 16, 2002 @ 15:04 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
6248. Drug Tunnel Found in Arizona Under Parking Lot Used by Customs Workers
      Apr 16, 2002 Drug Tunnel Found in Arizona Under Parking Lot Used by Customs Workers The Associated Press TUCSON, Ariz. (AP) - An 85-foot drug tunnel that was
      Apr 16, 2002 @ 17:50 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
6249. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Drug Tunnel Found in Arizona Under Parking Lot Used by Customs Workers
      Similar article, but with a small map: http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/local/4_16_02tunnel.html
      Apr 16, 2002 @ 18:46 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
6250. Re: Ethiopia/Eritrea Border
      nice instant tripoint coverage & we will need to add these new improved data to our ongoing african tripointing file m btw as a punctologist i find the notion
      Apr 16, 2002 @ 14:35 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6251. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Ethiopia/Eritrea Border
      ... what ever the punctology , seat belts hurt. esp when one crashs a car into a truck at 50 mph...... gerard
      Apr 16, 2002 @ 21:10 - Gerard J Keating ("Gerard J Keating" <gerard@...>)
6252. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Can a point also be a border?
      This is what I posted on Jungholz earlier, more and less the same issue: Jungholz is connected to the rest of Austria by a single point. That is already
      Apr 16, 2002 @ 21:09 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6253. Preliminary EEZ boundary survey uploaded
      Well, the Files area isn t talking to me at present, but as soon as it is I ll be uploading my EEZ boundary spreadsheet. It s called International
      Apr 16, 2002 @ 20:09 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
6254. Re: TopoZone - Washington quad county point
      thanx david this has certainly been a fantastic thread as i indicated below the legal wording wont prove the fiat quadripoint pudding but might fudge it into a
      Apr 16, 2002 @ 14:02 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6255. Re: intersting link about borders in a somewhat philosophical way (german)
      thanx chris & you know we can eat all the papers we can get so please yourself or anyone else please also throw in a favorite highlight or 2 of this or
      Apr 16, 2002 @ 12:46 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6256. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Can a point also be a border?
      I can t wait for a week of Jesper-ism s! ... From: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 2:09 PM Subject:
      Apr 17, 2002 @ 04:32 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
6257. quadpoints are boundaries.
      I can t see why a point can t be a border. But it only works in a theoretical sense. Because if you tried to cross there, or even string a phonel ine, you
      Apr 17, 2002 @ 07:59 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <b.whyte@...>)
6258. Re: bonazazi?
      ... BoNaZaZi! You ve independently invented my abbreviation for this point, which brought down contumely on my head when I first ventured it. It s poor
      Apr 16, 2002 @ 14:23 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
6259. Re: Preliminary EEZ boundary survey uploaded
      ... yes the yahoo has been even more uncouth than usual today with many deliveries spaced out & possibly even blown off entirely so dont be surprised what if
      Apr 17, 2002 @ 01:32 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6260. Re: TopoZone - Washington quad county point
      http://www.mrsc.org/nxt/gateway.dll? f=templates&fn=legpage.htm$vid=rcwwac:leg gives lackadaisical verbal descriptions of the county boundaries including such
      Apr 17, 2002 @ 02:51 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6261. Re: bonazazi?
      amar we have had many discussions but still no final resolution of this most fascinating question to search our archives you will probably be more successful
      Apr 16, 2002 @ 13:53 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6262. Re: Can a point also be a border?
      well now you have done it doctor put your finger on our bp g spot nice analysis too & the extreme beauty of it is that unless you admit the real existence of
      Apr 16, 2002 @ 13:24 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6263. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Can a point also be a border?
      Michael, I suppose this may be over-simplification, but in traversing the point singularity, one would leave behind one entity for another...therefore, the
      Apr 17, 2002 @ 11:35 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
6264. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Disbuted town on Scottish/English border offer money to rejoin Scotland
      Hi, I found two links on this story on the net, both with different and not really plausible (albeit funny) reasons about Berwick being at war w/ Germany:
      Apr 17, 2002 @ 19:03 - Anton Florian Zeilinger ("Anton Florian Zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
6265. Re: Disbuted town on Scottish/English border offer money to rejoin Scotland
      Yes, and in war with Russia as well... Berwick s status was such that even the Crimean War had to be declared in the name of Great Britain, Ireland and
      Apr 17, 2002 @ 12:52 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6266. Re: ghaut instincts
      ... to ... well it turns out that a single individual sir wm stapleton d 1686 was simultaneously governor of montserrat st kitts nevis & the virgin islands or
      Apr 16, 2002 @ 16:01 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6267. Re: Can a point also be a border?
      ... Like you, I ve puzzled over this, with reference to Jungholz and the other exclaves that join the parent country at a single point. My take is that the two
      Apr 16, 2002 @ 14:03 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
6268. Re: Can a point also be a border?
      yes bill this is the grossest of oversimplification for we have had to vibrate completely clear of physical reality to accomplish it & that means we have
      Apr 17, 2002 @ 18:15 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6269. Fw: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Can a point also be a border?
      A border point s size is 0 x 0, because otherwise who s point it is? So does a point excist? The dimentions of a border line is 0 x length, for CAUS 8893 km x
      Apr 17, 2002 @ 19:08 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6270. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: intersting link about borders in a somewhat philosophical way (german)
      i try my very best... bye, chris ... From: acroorca2002 To: Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 2:46 PM Subject:
      Apr 18, 2002 @ 01:19 - chris ("chris" <wertkauf@...>)
6271. Fw: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Can a point also be a border?
      ... is? otherwise as well as likewise it is everyones point & this means not only everyone from the constituencies who are generally understood to share the
      Apr 18, 2002 @ 01:51 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6272. Re: intersting link about borders in a somewhat philosophical way (german)
      ... salutes chris for that is exact & very clear too m ... somewhat ... &or ... http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
      Apr 18, 2002 @ 02:00 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6273. Re: quadpoints are boundaries.
      ... string a ... countries ... quadpoint, but ... brendan you must be some kind of academia nut expecting no practical implication in all these groves m or
      Apr 18, 2002 @ 02:19 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6274. [BoundaryPoint] Re: quadpoints are boundaries.
      Michael, this sounds vaguely familiar! Bill
      Apr 18, 2002 @ 02:35 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
6275. Re: Ethiopia/Eritrea Border
      ... etc ... that ... car into ... gerard i forget if i already responded to this with a sky shot that just hasnt landed yet so apologies for any eventual
      Apr 18, 2002 @ 03:03 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6276. Re: Preliminary EEZ boundary survey uploaded
      ... It s arrived - the EEZ boundary survey is now available for downloading from a files area near you. Look for International boundaries.xls . Grant
      Apr 17, 2002 @ 17:03 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
6277. Re: intersting link about borders in a somewhat philosophical way (german)
      in the file section i imagine i recognize old bedenl & that old drunk at atczde too i think it was & that old tri imperial point & strange to find them all in
      Apr 18, 2002 @ 03:25 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6278. Re: Can a point also be a border?
      woww grant & let me interject my even greater delight & amazement wowww at the recent arrival in our files section of your long anticipated international
      Apr 17, 2002 @ 17:45 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6279. Re: Can a point also be a border?
      ... As you might guess from my cheery request for other people s opinions, I posted this almost a day ago, before so many others had their say, but it s only
      Apr 17, 2002 @ 17:01 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
6280. Re: intersting link about borders in a somewhat philosophical way (german)
      Perhaps the most interesting pic is: Germany/Poland/Danzing free state: http://www.zollgeschichte.de/monatskarten/01_00.htm An ancient tripoint?
      Apr 18, 2002 @ 11:29 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
6281. Re: bonazazi?
      ... it ... to ... contumely whatt are you talking about man certainly not in message 5035 when your bonazazi try as you reported in message 3094 finally earned
      Apr 17, 2002 @ 18:41 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6282. Re: intersting link about borders in a somewhat philosophical way (german)
      ... marcel you must be right about this new surprise old drunk but i could swear i saw our other old drunk last night too & at a different tripoint tho admit i
      Apr 18, 2002 @ 15:17 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6283. Re: bonazazi?
      ... Oh all right. In fact, my BoNaZaZi confection prompted Peter S to mildly suggested that life would be easier if we all used the same ISO abbreviations and
      Apr 18, 2002 @ 17:30 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
6284. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Can a point also be a border?
      A border point s size is 0 x 0, because otherwise who s point it is? So does a point excist? The dimentions of a border line is 0 x length, for CAUS 8893 km x
      Apr 17, 2002 @ 16:59 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6285. National divisions
      Great link for that purpose: http://www.world-gazetteer.com/ Jesper
      Apr 18, 2002 @ 19:10 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6286. Re: intersting link about borders in a somewhat philosophical way (german)
      acroorca2002 wrote: in the file section i imagine i recognize old bedenl & that old drunk at atczde too i think it was & that old tri imperial point & strange
      Apr 18, 2002 @ 16:49 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6287. huroyu
      No picture yet, but I am sure after GEEBE. Here is the history: Unfortunately we had to wait some time to fix the eastern end, as the Romanian Commision were
      Apr 18, 2002 @ 19:14 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6288. Re: Can a point also be a border?
      ... Tricky to find anywhere else to put them. But if you just move the cursor until a particular comment of interest is the active cell, you ll be able to read
      Apr 18, 2002 @ 17:26 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
6289. National divisions
      Great link for thatr purpose: http://www.world-gazetteer.com/ Jesper
      Apr 18, 2002 @ 17:31 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6290. National divisions
      Great link for that purpose: http://www.world-gazetteer.com/ Jesper
      Apr 18, 2002 @ 17:36 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6291. Re: bonazazi?
      granthutchison wrote: (...)my BoNaZaZi confection prompted Peter S to mildly suggested that life would be easier if we all used the same ISO abbreviations and
      Apr 18, 2002 @ 17:48 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6292. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Can a point also be a border?
      For me, that s the very essence of it all. Bill
      Apr 18, 2002 @ 20:36 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
6293. Re: Can a point also be a border?
      A border point s size is 0 x 0, because otherwise who s point it is? So does a point excist? The dimentions of a border line is 0 x length, for CAUS 8893 km x
      Apr 17, 2002 @ 17:49 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6294. Re: Can a point also be a border?
      Surely the crucial question is: how many angels can dance on a boundary point? m a r t i n
      Apr 19, 2002 @ 07:29 - Martin Pratt ("Martin Pratt" <m.a.pratt@...>)
6295. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Disbuted town on Scottish/English border offer money to rejoin Scotland
      My understanding of the Crimean war episode is less exciting. From what I can remember at the time war was declared it was customary to refer to Berwick upon
      Apr 17, 2002 @ 18:46 - Bramwell Hayes (=?iso-8859-1?q?Bramwell=20Hayes?= <bramwellhayes@...>)
6296. Re: Can a point also be a border?
      precisely martin & so our toast to saint you was not in vain m er how many angels are there ... boundary
      Apr 19, 2002 @ 13:39 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6297. Re: bonazazi?
      great idea peter & fair tribute to grant for being so provocatively silly too as everyone can live happily ever after just by fiat anyway tho clearly it is
      Apr 19, 2002 @ 16:00 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6298. Re: National divisions
      yes thanx nothing like having an extra opinion & this one agrees with iso in saying no domestic tripoint for montserrat but disagrees with iso too in saying
      Apr 19, 2002 @ 16:08 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6299. Re: Disbuted town on Scottish/English border offer money to rejoin Scotland
      or the true story of how berwick upon tweed the disbuted town actually lost its but in the war m my own most serene & fresh gnomedom of barbaria by contrast is
      Apr 17, 2002 @ 17:58 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6300. biparochial quadripoint on Guernsey?
      Does anyone know and/or has a good map of a possible biparochial quadripoint on Guernsey? It looks like two parts of St. Peter and two parts of Torteval come
      Apr 19, 2002 @ 17:35 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6301. Re: [BoundaryPoint] biparochial quadripoint on Guernsey?
      Peter, No, they don t. I was there, and the width of the St. Pierre du Bois (St. Peter in the Woods) Parish bottleneck is 30.4 m. Regards Bernhard
      Apr 19, 2002 @ 17:54 - Bernhard Lurssen (Bernhard Lurssen <tardis@...-net.de>)
6302. Re: Disbuted town on Scottish/English border offer money to rejoin Scotland
      well bramwell your direct observation & recollection is undoubtedly our most sensible & reliable report to date on this subject & indeed i am delighted we can
      Apr 19, 2002 @ 15:38 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6303. Re: biparochial quadripoint on Guernsey?
      Pity. Anyway, thanks, Bernhard. 30.4 m is an interesting enough bottleneck, though. Peter S. ... Bois (St. ... two ... find a ...
      Apr 19, 2002 @ 18:26 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6304. Re: intersting link about borders in a somewhat philosophical way (german)
      ... I don t blame anyone for ... call ... just ... hahaha it is a tossup in my mind at this point whether to endeavor to upgrade our facilities at all even as
      Apr 19, 2002 @ 19:09 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6305. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Disbuted town on Scottish/English border offer money to rejoin Scotland
      What is that with the British and war??? This was news on April 17, 1986 The Isles of Scilly and the Netherlands signed a peace treaty that ended a war that
      Apr 19, 2002 @ 19:41 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
6306. Tpmap HuRoYu
      In addition to Jesper s last contribution on our tp HuRoYu - I d like you to enjoy the scan of the topomap I received a couple of days ago... Notice the
      Apr 19, 2002 @ 17:46 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
6307. Re: Can a point also be a border?
      comments intertwingled thruout ... text ... aha thanx some questions then which areas of the world are not included in your survey due to their various
      Apr 19, 2002 @ 18:39 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6308. Re: Can a point also be a border?
      ... their ... I tried to include everything, broad brush. I ve treated codominia as fuzzy borders, in the main. I ve flagged the undefined borders in the
      Apr 20, 2002 @ 12:52 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
6309. Re: Tpmap HuRoYu
      An observation that I can only make now I have seen this detailed map, is that huroyu is not the same as row. Peter S.
      Apr 20, 2002 @ 13:10 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6310. Re: Can a point also be a border?
      intertwingling again ... as ... the ... ok i can follow all this & can see then how you may well have rationalized & accounted for every boundary segment in
      Apr 20, 2002 @ 14:50 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6311. Re: Disbuted town on Scottish/English border offer money to rejoin Scotland
      thanx harry i was hoping someone would put in a good word for our eponymously favorite isles of scilly despite their lack of any noticeable boundary point but
      Apr 20, 2002 @ 15:13 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6312. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Can a point also be a border?
      But not even one atom, never mind a person, can pass directly from Colorado to Arizona without at least part of it going through either New Mexico or Utah or
      Apr 20, 2002 @ 23:34 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
6313. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Can a point also be a border?
      In geographic information systems back in the 1970s, we used to use a term half-neighbor . In a checkerboard, each square has 4 full neighbors (of the
      Apr 20, 2002 @ 23:36 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
6314. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Can a point also be a border?
      I suppose it actually comes down to theoretical mathematics or physics with regard to how the border is defined. It s true that no existing entity can pass
      Apr 21, 2002 @ 03:10 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
6315. Re: Can a point also be a border?
      ... grant you are just lucky your survey is of the world class level only where you can get away with this reductio because all 4 of the international border
      Apr 21, 2002 @ 19:58 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6316. new version of www.enklave.de.vu
      hello everyone, i relaunched my site about enclaves and similar phenomenons in europe. some of you allready know the first step, now i made a frames-version.
      Mar 24, 2002 @ 21:01 - chris ("chris" <wertkauf@...>)
6317. Re: new version of www.enklave.de.vu
      chris wrote: (...)ps i tried to add my site as bookmark, but i forgot my login, so i cant. if anyone could do this, it would be very friendly. I ve just done
      Apr 21, 2002 @ 20:37 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6318. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: new version of www.enklave.de.vu
      hello peter, thanks a lot what a honour, to be set as the first link.. bye, chris ... From: ps1966nl To:
      Mar 24, 2002 @ 21:54 - chris ("chris" <wertkauf@...>)
6319. re: halfneighbours
      But as the distance from the centre of a white square (say to the centre of the neighbouring black squares is 1, and the distaince to the neighbouring half
      Apr 22, 2002 @ 00:33 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <b.whyte@...>)
6320. RE: [BoundaryPoint] new version of www.enklave.de.vu
      no luck with your links ... From: chris [mailto:wertkauf@gmx.net] Sent: 24 March 2002 21:01 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BoundaryPoint] new
      Apr 22, 2002 @ 08:24 - Bill Burke ("Bill Burke" <bill@...>)
6321. Re: new version of www.enklave.de.vu
      bill these links are working fine now here in kent anyway that funny stuff is german & peter thanx but where is that 43 year old nurse i have been looking for
      Apr 22, 2002 @ 14:07 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6322. Re: halfneighbours
      i love all this loopy math first of all david each brick in a wall might have as many as 28 neighbors by the fullest application of your corner reckoning
      Apr 22, 2002 @ 15:50 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6323. Re: Tpmap HuRoYu
      & let me add this was indeed a most enjoyable presentation by both peters & jesper too & we can use any new strangeness we can get particularly a fresh row
      Apr 22, 2002 @ 16:11 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6324. Re: Can a point also be a border?
      ... OK, who are you and what have you done with the real Michael Donner?! I can t believe you keep using practicality as an argument in this, given your usual
      Apr 22, 2002 @ 16:34 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
6325. Re: Can a point also be a border?
      please see message 1926 with art &or topozone for original & no time to tell you who i am now later m ... the ... Donner?! ... and ... in ... reference ...
      Apr 22, 2002 @ 17:24 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6326. Crossings : Photographs from the U.S.-Mexico Border
      Has anyone ever seen this book: Crossings : Photographs from the U.S.-Mexico Border by Alex Webb, Rebecca Norris Webb, Tom Miller I found it on Amazon... If I
      Apr 22, 2002 @ 18:19 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@...>)
6327. Re: halfneighbours
      correction not 28 neighbors as originally claimed by me oops but ... m
      Apr 22, 2002 @ 17:09 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6328. Re: Can a point also be a border?
      grant i think you are probably right now that i have looked at the art again from cornwall & at my leisure for i first flung it up at you in a hurry from kent
      Apr 22, 2002 @ 19:25 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6329. Re: Can a point also be a border?
      ... Lovely! (Sound of hands briskly rubbed.) I ll get back to you. ... Ah well, I do now think opposition was the wrong word. Sorry. But see message 5115 for
      Apr 22, 2002 @ 20:03 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
6330. Re: Can a point also be a border?
      ... yes i think you will be successful too & it will be fantastic ... view ... long ... yes hideously long haha & then after finally concluding it resumes
      Apr 22, 2002 @ 21:06 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6331. The uncrossed hotwater tour
      ... Here it is - the uncrossed hotwater tour. The detail gets confusing in the inner corner of the thing, so notice the detail at lower right, which shows a
      Apr 22, 2002 @ 22:34 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@blueyonder.co.uk>)
6332. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: new version of www.enklave.de.vu
      acroorca2002 wrote: (...)peter ... The sheer mentioning of her by me has made her go away... It was some sort of advertisement. Peter S.
      Apr 23, 2002 @ 06:35 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
6333. Re: The uncrossed hotwater tour
      grant ulysses himself couldnt have traveled a more epic odyssey & i am luxuriating all morning here in salisbury in your perfectly plumbed natural hot tub &
      Apr 23, 2002 @ 15:39 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6334. Re: The uncrossed hotwater tour
      ... Somewhere out there I imagine this simple situation of directed line segments, quadripoints and an Euler tour has been addressed in the maths literature,
      Apr 23, 2002 @ 16:53 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
6335. HRSI dispute
      Having both Slovenian and Croatian tp maps of HRHUSI, I have compared the two. Please find attached the tp map with two areas claimed by both countries.
      Apr 23, 2002 @ 16:55 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
6336. world class condo & condo tripoint & triline review
      just to follow thru for grant & for easy reference we were talking about the unique hnnisv tridominium it has 3 trilines & 3 tripoints joined alternately in a
      Apr 23, 2002 @ 17:16 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6337. Re: The uncrossed hotwater tour
      ... as well as unnecessary & irrelevant because the crosses can only exist if they do exist simultaneously & globally in other words as the eye sees them
      Apr 23, 2002 @ 17:50 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6338. Re: HRSI dispute
      it looks like the tripoint position may be affected only by the disputed hrsi area at upper right & not the one at lower left & the difference may be just a
      Apr 23, 2002 @ 18:06 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6339. Re: The uncrossed hotwater tour
      ... Fair enough. I raised the topic only because I d briefly entertained the notion that an uncrossed tour *implied* the existence of a crossed tour, too. You
      Apr 23, 2002 @ 18:17 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
6340. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: HRSI dispute
      The tripoints are at each end of the eastern disputed area. Croatian version W of marker A645, Slovenian N of B1.The Hungarian map has the tp between B2 and
      Apr 23, 2002 @ 18:48 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
6341. Re: HRSI dispute
      aha good show so it does at least appear even without seeing the third map that the expedition has its choice of which bank of the river to hit for half a
      Apr 24, 2002 @ 16:01 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6342. Re: The uncrossed hotwater tour
      ... tour ... entertained ... yourself ... formation ... dear general grant whaattt anyway for even the general me is staggered lee & windward here but ok i
      Apr 24, 2002 @ 18:19 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6343. Re: The uncrossed hotwater tour
      excuse me again this is a test & not a jest & there is a message embedded later but the yahoo server may have just gone berserk again so we interrupt this
      Apr 24, 2002 @ 19:47 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6344. bahuyu
      No pictures yet, but some information: Enclosed four versions of the tp: foldekort.jpg: from a fold map!! Lukovac (river) a little west of tp. Note road NE of
      Apr 24, 2002 @ 19:47 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
6345. Re: The uncrossed hotwater tour
      ok this is just to add to the bottom of the following surrender in progress to general grant already destined to be president grant of everyones land but
      Apr 24, 2002 @ 19:24 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6346. Re: bahryu
      If you are planning to visit this tripoint this summer, please be extremely careful: During its mid November 2000 visit to Sid Municipality the Helsinki
      Apr 25, 2002 @ 10:34 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6347. Re: bahryu
      great research & spotting by both of you guys & fortunately this tripoint is still so uncertain & therefore so technically split & compromised as to be not yet
      Apr 25, 2002 @ 14:51 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6348. yahoo delivery couth again
      the variable time delay feature appears to have subsided this morning but message 6345 did actually precede 6343 as you probably also guessed m
      Apr 25, 2002 @ 14:59 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6349. spratly islands update
      another footnote i would like to offer to grants recent world class boundary & multipoint survey of both de jure & de facto reality just to complete at least
      Apr 25, 2002 @ 16:32 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
6350. Border fence
      http://www.hinduonnet.com/holnus/02242003.htm The Danish site http://www.newsbooster.com is a good site to search news worldwide. Jesper
      Apr 26, 2002 @ 19:10 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6351. Re: spratly islands update
      grant adding a postscript to my proposed footnote having had a closer look at this spratly distribution map i believe we can now complete the defacto default
      Apr 27, 2002 @ 14:51 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6352. re palanca marshes mduk
      grant at leisure now again in kent i have found messages 5396 & 5397 again so is this the same clave you are talking about in your file here & has it been
      Apr 27, 2002 @ 15:38 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6353. Border Move? Iraq-Turkey
      My neighbourhood has a left-wing newspaper called The Republic. Here s a link to an article about boundary changes in the middle east. Take it with a grain
      Apr 28, 2002 @ 17:44 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@...>)
6354. Re: Border Move? Iraq-Turkey
      I m suprised they didn t go as far as to say that Alberta was secretly preparing to become the 51st state. What a bunch of rubbish! But interesting. ...
      Apr 28, 2002 @ 19:59 - mls515.rm ("mls515.rm" <mls515@...>)
6355. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border Move? Iraq-Turkey
      Interesting link, Doug!! It opened my eyes to an astonishing solution on my financial problems: On my last trip to the Middle East, I brought home a barrel
      Apr 29, 2002 @ 07:22 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
6356. Ihre Mail-It URL
      Wilkommen auf www.swissgeo.ch! Dieses E-Mail wurde Ihnen von 23568@gmx.de via des Mail-It service von http://www.swissgeo.ch gesendet und betrifft einen
      Apr 29, 2002 @ 10:01 - wertkauf@gmx.net (wertkauf@...)
6357. enclave wonnenstein / previous link
      hi, the posting above needs an explanation... to watch the map you need to copy the whole link or click it here:
      Apr 29, 2002 @ 10:09 - wertkauf@gmx.net (wertkauf@...)
6358. Re: Border Move? Iraq-Turkey
      doug since you are now counselling a grain of salt too while apparently also using the words border & boundary interchangeably & since others are also finding
      Apr 29, 2002 @ 14:57 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6359. Re: The uncrossed hotwater tour
      Michael: Being away for a couple of days has allowed me to absorb the full impact of your recent sustained free-association punning in one sitting. Bravo, sir
      Apr 29, 2002 @ 15:38 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
6360. Re: enclave wonnenstein / previous link
      chris i can confirm at least 1 of your links was working but none seem to be working now so perhaps you can fix them at some point for others interested the
      Apr 29, 2002 @ 15:47 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6361. Re: The uncrossed hotwater tour/Re Palanca Marshes
      granthutchison wrote: (...)Re Palanca Marshes: these are indeed the previously mentioned, possibly enclaved Moldovan marshes. They didn t appear in the
      Apr 29, 2002 @ 16:21 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6362. Re: enclave wonnenstein / previous link
      acroorca2002 wrote: chris i can confirm at least 1 of your links was working but none seem to be working now so perhaps you can fix them at some point for
      Apr 29, 2002 @ 16:37 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6363. Re: The uncrossed hotwater tour
      ... Wake. thanx grant & thats mutual ulysses too indeed just to be perfectly demonstrative about my admiration for you as well as to properly launch my draft
      Apr 29, 2002 @ 17:24 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6364. Re: The uncrossed hotwater tour
      ... Wake. thanx grant & thats mutual ulysses too indeed just to be perfectly demonstrative about my admiration for you as well as to properly launch my draft
      Apr 29, 2002 @ 17:25 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6365. Nice zoomable European map for GPS
      http://www.maponweb.com/no-en/start.html
      Apr 29, 2002 @ 18:15 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6366. Boundary vs. border
      This is how I use the terms: border: when it s international boundary: national Jesper ... From: acroorca2002 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday,
      Apr 29, 2002 @ 17:59 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6367. Re: enclave wonnenstein / previous link
      ... is fahr then the same thing as oberegg on your map or something else & why are there apparently 2 obereggs on that map anyway or it seems like 2 obereggs
      Apr 29, 2002 @ 18:44 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6368. lee for grant
      well i posted from goshen norfolk stockbridge & now lee yes for lee is the correct answer to the question that probably hasnt even arrived at bp yet & i failed
      Apr 29, 2002 @ 20:10 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6369. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border Move? Iraq-Turkey
      We may need that oil when in Serbia! ... From: Peter Hering To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 12:22 AM Subject: Re:
      Apr 29, 2002 @ 20:02 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
6370. Borders of Everyone's Land
      Well, if I m to be president I might as well have a good description of the place. Uploaded to the files area is a document entitled Everyone s Land borders ,
      Apr 30, 2002 @ 11:08 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
6371. Re: Border Move? Iraq-Turkey
      good thinking man & i am off to another library to see everyones land since you cant get there from here either m ... Republic. Here s a link to an article
      Apr 30, 2002 @ 14:52 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6372. Re: Borders of Everyone's Land
      grant this is fantastically good word & news from you even as i have just struck out at my second library this morning trying to receive the file itself
      Apr 30, 2002 @ 15:58 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6373. Re: Borders of Everyone's Land
      ok grant i got 2 of the loveliest librarians here in norfolk to print me a copy of it after all following some well choreographed fumblings & additional delays
      Apr 30, 2002 @ 17:10 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6374. Re: enclave wonnenstein / previous link
      acroorca2002 wrote: is fahr then the same thing as oberegg on your map or something else & why are there apparently 2 obereggs on that map anyway or it seems
      May 01, 2002 @ 08:01 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6375. Re: Borders of Everyone's Land
      well you may find this hard to believe because i myself even do but what actually happened next here in norfolk is i went home with that lovely librarian who
      May 01, 2002 @ 15:42 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6376. Article about Moeuvres, Boursies & Doignies
      A nice article about the problems of being an enclave (in this case the Moeuvres, Boursies & Doignies enclave of the French departement Nord in Pas-de-Calais)
      May 01, 2002 @ 16:36 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
6377. GEEBE Border crossings
      ATSK: Walk over and back at bridge near tp ATCZSK ATHU: Official border crossing CZSK: Several places, eg U Sabotu CZPL:
      May 01, 2002 @ 19:51 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6378. Tripoints list or map
      Help! Didn t someone a long time ago post a list of all tps, and even a map with the tps marked? If so please help me locate it. Jesper
      May 01, 2002 @ 20:04 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6379. Re: Tripoints list or map
      a try at a map of the continental ones was made in message 371 but was left incomplete a list in message 1086 names all the continental ones & of course grants
      May 01, 2002 @ 20:58 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6380. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Tripoints list or map
      Incomplete. Are you sure? Jesper a try at a map of the continental ones was made in message 371 but was left incomplete
      May 01, 2002 @ 21:16 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6381. Re: Tripoints list or map
      yes there were a few unresolved problems with the maps in message 371 which you can begin to look for by counting up the blue dots on each continent & then
      May 01, 2002 @ 22:56 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6382. around Venezuela/Colombia/Brazil tp
      On this link there is a photo of Piedra del Cocuy. Is difficult to say where is exactly the tripoint. It seems to be a wet one or placed on a island named San
      May 02, 2002 @ 07:49 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
6383. Re: around Venezuela/Colombia/Brazil tp
      marcel following these long hours of stunned silence over both this most creative = tripoint try to date & the pleasant diversions you have brought us en
      May 02, 2002 @ 22:53 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6384. License plates...
      Hi, maybe some of you are interested, I ve found a nice site with pictures of all kinds of license plates:
      May 03, 2002 @ 20:13 - Anton Florian Zeilinger ("Anton Florian Zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
6385. Seborga
      Hi, found something else which is interesting. Has anyone heard of the principality of Seborga, claiming to be an enclave in Italy? Or is this another hoax?
      May 03, 2002 @ 20:21 - Anton Florian Zeilinger ("Anton Florian Zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
6386. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Seborga
      Discussed 26-27.11.00 at BoundaryPoint. Check the archive. Jesper ... From: Anton Florian Zeilinger To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 03,
      May 03, 2002 @ 20:28 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6387. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Seborga
      There also was an activity by radio-amateurs. I once had a so-called QSO with that country ....... The international Radio Amateur organisations did [of
      May 03, 2002 @ 20:30 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
6388. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Seborga
      Harry, do you happen to remember the prefix used by that station? Bill ... From: Harry ten Veen [mailto:pa8km@amsat.org] Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 4:30 PM To:
      May 03, 2002 @ 20:40 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
6389. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Seborga
      ... in their cistercian heritage pal seborgans snag robes so they are looking golden to me nice find m
      May 03, 2002 @ 20:47 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
6390. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Seborga
      Hi Bill, On QSL.NET I found 1P as prefix. Can t find it in my logbook so far. 73 Harry ... From: Bill Hanrahan Harry, do you happen to remember the prefix used
      May 03, 2002 @ 21:05 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
6391. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Seborga
      Thanks Harry...I m going to go through about two dozen old logbooks and see if I ever worked it! 73, Bill ... From: Harry ten Veen [mailto:pa8km@amsat.org]
      May 03, 2002 @ 21:31 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
6392. brcope
      http://www.amazontravelcenter.com/map_tabatinga_leticia_area.htm http://guiadeviajes.publicar.com/guiaturistica/colombia/leticia01a.htm
      May 03, 2002 @ 22:16 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6393. Re: brcope
      nice possibly class d visit to a point first visited class d on 12 10 00 so check the archive around message 760 which will confirm you are at least in the
      May 03, 2002 @ 23:48 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6394. Re: Seborga
      Hi, Thank you! Found the discussion but didn t find anything about the legitimacy of the Seborgian claims. Does anyone have an idea? At least they seem to have
      May 04, 2002 @ 10:08 - anton_zeilinger ("anton_zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
6395. Seborga
      Note the border on this 1752 map: http://seborga.net/photos/art/bwmaplg.jpg greetings, antonZ
      May 04, 2002 @ 10:16 - anton_zeilinger ("anton_zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
6396. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: brcope
      Arg... I haven t been able to access these brazilian border sites for quite some time. Jesper ... From: acroorca2002 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent:
      May 04, 2002 @ 12:38 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6397. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: brcope
      its ok we know the webmaster is quite conscientious & probably only needs to be notified of the failure by email to fix it as in the past the real trick tho &
      May 04, 2002 @ 14:42 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
6398. Re: brcope
      When I read this message it was accompanied by an advertisement for BananaRepublic.com. BJB ... all the ... one swell ... quite some ... marcel ... detail map
      May 05, 2002 @ 00:20 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
6399. Ingolf Volegener
      I have found a new border site (or sites, cannot find the main site) deedew:
      May 05, 2002 @ 18:59 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6400. Finally EU is spending my money well
      http://www.rosbalt.com/news/48548.html Jesper
      May 05, 2002 @ 20:02 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6401. lth
      Juozapine hill is Lithuania s highest point - http://home.no.net/enklaver/lithuania.htm I am sorry that some of my pages has not been updated for some while.
      May 06, 2002 @ 08:45 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
6402. Re. Seborga
      From this link it seems that, as expected, the Seborgian prince is tolerated by the Italians as a harmless eccentric, but in reality the place is run by Italy.
      May 06, 2002 @ 11:35 - Bramwell Hayes (=?iso-8859-1?q?Bramwell=20Hayes?= <bramwellhayes@...>)
6403. Re: brcope
      ... good point indeed it seems we all go bananas enhanced now til mothers day m note the correct iso code br for brazil under the banana too
      May 06, 2002 @ 16:24 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6404. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Ingolf Volegener
      Great finds! Doug ... From: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 11:59 AM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Ingolf
      May 06, 2002 @ 18:37 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
6405. first complete try apparently confirms about 500 tripoints
      grant reviewing the tripoint totals in your international boundaries file i have found your apparently most probable grand total of sea tripoints 342 &
      May 07, 2002 @ 14:46 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6406. pipe bomb circles?
      Go to cnn.com and click on Map: Pipe Bomb Terror I wonder if the FBI has noticed that the bomb locations form circles on the map, both circles about the same
      May 07, 2002 @ 15:23 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
6407. Re: pie om circles?
      & anyone who would like to feel better is invited to have a pie & say aum m
      May 07, 2002 @ 15:39 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6408. Re: Ingolf Volegener
      indeed invite that man to everyones land for a round of ingolf or outgolf whether he comes to bp or not m
      May 07, 2002 @ 15:44 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6409. Re: lth
      thanx jan i think every country could stand to have one of these handsome pointing directories & i agree its great to be on top of anything also it seems like
      May 07, 2002 @ 15:55 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6410. Re: lth
      acroorca2002 wrote: (...)i agree its great to be on top of anything (...) Yes, great Jan! Also, every time I see a country with a highest point that falls
      May 07, 2002 @ 17:27 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6411. Re: lth
      thanxx peter for this harmony & also for renewing my favorite row er question about that special boundary point where nature ends & art begins & i would like
      May 07, 2002 @ 17:51 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6412. Re: lth
      acroorca2002 wrote: thanxx peter for this harmony & also for renewing my favorite row er question about that special boundary point where nature ends & art
      May 07, 2002 @ 18:07 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6413. Re: first complete try apparently confirms about 500 tripoints
      ... tripoints 342 ... The New Zealand and Tonga variants go together - either they have a maritime border (and two attendant tripoints with Everyone s Land) or
      May 07, 2002 @ 19:02 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
6414. Re: lth
      ... well it isnt my only nor necessarily even my most favorite but it certainly is a favorite rowquestion of mine because i am generally so in the minority &
      May 07, 2002 @ 20:30 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6415. Re: first complete try apparently confirms about 500 tripoints
      okaay grant thanx & so evidently it is hard to actually say what a first complete try really is in this case but it is great to know we are within a very few
      May 07, 2002 @ 21:08 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6416. Boarder shifts
      hi I m new Could not believe the amount of interest in this....... I wish i lived in europe so it would be easier to visit some of the places in all of your
      May 07, 2002 @ 22:24 - zoommedix ("zoommedix" <zoomer@...>)
6417. Re: Boarder shifts
      welcome zoomer it is true many of the places in our pictures are in europe but there are boundary points you can visit all over the world so if you wish let us
      May 08, 2002 @ 04:23 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6418. Old DEDK maps online
      There is a new great map service at the Danish Map service office. See 1:20 000 from 1842-99 next to present 1:25 000 maps. However the present DEDK border
      May 08, 2002 @ 05:33 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6419. Re: Old DEDK maps online
      Jesper Nielsen wrote: There is a new great map service at the Danish Map service office. See 1:20 000 from 1842-99 next to present 1:25 000 maps. However the
      May 08, 2002 @ 17:57 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6420. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Old DEDK maps online
      Thanks for the link. Your Danish interpretation is done impressively. The first picture shows Brømsebæk, dkse before 1658. The border line is assume to be
      May 08, 2002 @ 18:25 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6421. Re: Old DEDK maps online
      nice stuff & plays here jesper & peter & jesper & did you notice the monument in the pic is actually a balancing rock fantastic & first such reported ...
      May 09, 2002 @ 16:56 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6422. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Old DEDK maps online
      The old maps can be from 1842-99 as they show the 1864 dedk. South of the 1864 dedk is just blank ie former DE. However the 1920 and present dedk is also
      May 09, 2002 @ 17:15 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6423. Re: spratly islands update
      ... but a closer look at the map & associated data reveals many omissions & even contradictions oops for example len dao reef & first thomas shoal are
      May 09, 2002 @ 17:17 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6424. Re: [BoundaryPoint] pipe bomb circles?
      This just in: (CNN) -- Accused mailbox bomber Lucas Helder told authorities he was planting pipe bombs in a pattern to show a happy face during his five-state
      May 09, 2002 @ 17:20 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
6425. Hello From Alberta
      New to the site from Alberta, Canada Great stuff guys Zoomer
      May 09, 2002 @ 18:05 - zoommedix ("zoommedix" <zoomer@...>)
6426. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Hello From Alberta
      Greetings from one door over -- Vancouver BC. Welcome to borderfreakdom! Doug ... From: zoommedix To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 09,
      May 09, 2002 @ 18:12 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
6427. Chinese police enter Japan Consulate; take N. Koreans
      http://story.news.yahoo.com/news? tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020508/ap_on_re_as/china_asylum_seekers_13 http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?
      May 09, 2002 @ 22:56 - mls515.rm ("mls515.rm" <mls515@...>)
6428. Arm/Aze enclaves
      To check out 1:100,000 Soviet maps of the Armenia Azerbaijan enclaves, go to: http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/EART/soviet_maps.html On sheet K-38-103, in the SE
      May 10, 2002 @ 02:49 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <b.whyte@...>)
6429. BBC: EU plans joint border police!
      The story here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_1973000/1973192.stm Doug
      May 10, 2002 @ 05:04 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@...>)
6430. map: byruua
      http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/EART/maps/x-ussr/N-36-136.jpg Appears to be a monument, with a name. Can anybody translate the name of it? Jesper
      May 10, 2002 @ 05:25 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6431. Re: [BoundaryPoint] map: byruua
      I believe it (Kurgan druzhbi) could be translated as Mound of Friendships ... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health
      May 10, 2002 @ 06:02 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
6432. Re: Boarder shifts
      zoomer ... since you are from alberta & since most canadians make a point of living very near the american border even if albertans are the most contrary
      May 10, 2002 @ 11:52 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6433. Re: Arm/Aze enclaves
      great site brendan & a very handsome set of counterclavicules which were a puzzle & a thrill to find & well worth waiting to see down in that last corner so
      May 10, 2002 @ 14:44 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6434. Re: Arm/Aze enclaves
      ... enclaves!!!! Why do you say counter-enclaves? They look to me as if they are simple Azeri enclaves in Armenia. Or am I reading the map wrongly? Grant
      May 10, 2002 @ 15:19 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
6435. Re: Arm/Aze enclaves
      ... enclaves!!!! And the next map south, at http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/EART/maps/azerbaijan/K-38-115.jpg provides the final proof that Azatamut is an Armenian
      May 10, 2002 @ 15:38 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
6436. Old bedelu
      Two pictures of the old bedelu. One old stone is standing south of the road (B on the little scheme I made). It bears an inscription, but has become impossible
      May 10, 2002 @ 18:41 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
6437. Re: map: byruua
      It looks like there is more than one case of a Mound of Friendship on a tripoint. A quick search with a Russian search engine gave these pictures of a Kurgan
      May 10, 2002 @ 19:33 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6438. 10 days to next international boundary
      Which one?? East Timor - Indonesia Jesper
      May 10, 2002 @ 21:01 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6439. Re: Old bedelu
      A site that makes things a bit more clear (although not entirely yet): http://home.tiscalinet.be/albertbastings/page19.html ... The boundary markers of
      May 10, 2002 @ 21:11 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6440. Change of Borderlands URL
      This week I was unhappily surprised. My provider changed the url s of homepages. On this moment the old url is still functioning but that might not last long.
      May 10, 2002 @ 21:17 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
6441. Re: Arm/Aze enclaves
      i think you must be right grant not counterclavicules but ordinary clavicules still they are an original discovery arent they or are these among the ones you
      May 10, 2002 @ 22:16 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6442. who knows, what we can see here?
      its like a game, but unfortunately its not that funny... http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/EART/maps/x-ussr/M-36-013.jpg chris
      May 10, 2002 @ 22:40 - chris ("chris" <wertkauf@...>)
6443. karki
      here is karki as mentioned on jans enclaves page http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/EART/maps/azerbaijan/J-38-006.jpg jans site:
      May 10, 2002 @ 22:51 - chris ("chris" <wertkauf@...>)
6444. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Arm/Aze enclaves
      does anyone have an explanation for that creative bordering on that map? i mean the violet borderlining in NW of the map. chris ... From: acroorca2002
      May 10, 2002 @ 23:02 - chris ("chris" <wertkauf@...>)
6445. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Arm/Aze enclaves
      by the way: you need to cross 4 borders to come from Woskepar /Armenia (46 04) to Kiranu /Armenia (46 08), although none of them is an enclave (ups, maybe its
      May 10, 2002 @ 23:17 - chris ("chris" <wertkauf@...>)
6446. Re: Arm/Aze enclaves
      ... Oh my, yes; whatever they are, they re delightfully new to me. G
      May 11, 2002 @ 01:11 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
6447. hi
      I just joined this group this morning and I wanted to say hi to everyone in the group. I found this group through sci.geo.cartography which I also only
      May 11, 2002 @ 01:36 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
6448. hi
      Sorry about the last message that got sent by mistake. I just joined this group this morning and I wanted to say hi to everyone in the group. I found this
      May 11, 2002 @ 02:06 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
6449. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Arm/Aze enclaves
      Thanks Brendan! I have got an old Soviet atlas also including for me new information. My Armenia and Azerbaijan pages needs update! Jan
      May 11, 2002 @ 07:35 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
6450. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Boarder shifts
      Dear Zoomer If you have seen one of the resent posts of mine and Peter S, you will se ancient Denmark-Sweden marker. There will joining in a mini expedition to
      May 11, 2002 @ 13:32 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6451. Re: hi
      welcome john & thanx for this blast of fresh air enjoyed your pilgrimages to donner summit & kentucky bend & bristol england oddly our own bristol virginia
      May 11, 2002 @ 13:56 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6452. Guatemala, Belize: Close to ending historic dispute
      http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/americas/05/10/guatemala.belize.reut/ind ex.html
      May 11, 2002 @ 14:57 - timothykiser ("timothykiser" <timothykiser@...>)
6453. i'll try again...
      http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/americas/05/10/guatemala.belize.reut/ind ex.html if this doesn t work, could someone please tell me how you can copy the entire
      May 11, 2002 @ 15:06 - timothykiser ("timothykiser" <timothykiser@...>)
6454. Re: i'll try again...
      thanx timothy you did the best one can do with these things here by alerting us to hand cobble the url for ourselves & you bring good news too for perhaps a
      May 11, 2002 @ 16:06 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6455. Re: Boarder shifts
      ... have been enjoying this old & new dk map site all morning the gap in coverage in northeastern sonderjylland does seem to date from between 1864 & 1920 the
      May 11, 2002 @ 16:30 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6456. Re: Arm/Aze enclaves
      ... it looks to me chris tho frankly i dont read russian & dont even recognize half the cyrillic alphabet that the original map was published in 1976 & that a
      May 11, 2002 @ 21:23 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6457. Re: who knows, what we can see here?
      ... still it was good of you to redeem that particular tragedy by just turning it into an amusement & a comedy & what a playful fellow you are chris because
      May 11, 2002 @ 22:13 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6458. Re: Old bedelu
      ... is the true paleobedelu & that modern belu does indeed cross the road between markers b & a as i believe you said or meant to say yourself if more
      May 12, 2002 @ 02:46 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6459. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Boarder shifts
      also i dont see any numbered marks on the 1864 dedk ... I just discovered a new book about the old border. Follows the entire 1864 dedk along 128 border
      May 12, 2002 @ 10:25 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6460. Re: Old bedelu
      acroorca2002 wrote: (Peter S.: (...)The other marker (B) (...) here peter i assume you must mean marker a rather than marker b in case anyone is still
      May 12, 2002 @ 12:32 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6461. Re: Old bedelu
      thanx peter this is awesome ghostplay the only part i still dont get is your deduction that the belgian interprovincial boundary must run eastward from marker
      May 12, 2002 @ 15:16 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6462. Re: Boarder shifts
      ... fantastic so this might be the only danish county line that breaks tradition ... wow so just out of curiosity how are the dry danish county lines normally
      May 12, 2002 @ 15:40 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6463. Re: Old bedelu
      oops now i have returned to your original diagram & of course no oblique line is needed since belu & lilu are clearly separated there & indeed are already at
      May 12, 2002 @ 19:52 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6464. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Boarder shifts
      Maps Jesper
      May 13, 2002 @ 04:31 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6465. Special on IEUK
      http://www.msnbc.com/news/536604.asp?0sp=N2cB
      May 13, 2002 @ 04:51 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6466. Re: Boarder shifts
      yes how silly of me maps signs & locals too m ... condition
      May 13, 2002 @ 13:29 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6467. Status on IEUK?
      Anybody who is updated on the IEUK border? As far as I know each country has their own version of the border. If the border is still disputed, does anybody
      May 13, 2002 @ 21:01 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6468. Re: Status on IEUK?
      ... just winging it here as usual & also admit to skipping blithely past your earlier news link so am if anything more ignorant than everyone else but since
      May 14, 2002 @ 04:04 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6469. tri-border picture: Czech R. , ? , ?
      Where is this Tri-border? http://www.mariz.cz/eng/indexeng.htm Doug
      May 14, 2002 @ 07:05 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@...>)
6470. Re: tri-border picture: Czech R. , ? , ?
      This one has already been discussed some time ago. It is the Bohemia- Moravia-Austria tripoint. Peter S.
      May 14, 2002 @ 09:30 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6471. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: tri-border picture: Czech R. , ? , ?
      So many points... it s hard to keep them straight. Thanks! ... From: ps1966nl To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 2:30 AM Subject:
      May 14, 2002 @ 15:11 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
6472. Old bedelux mystery solved?
      Concerning Peter Smaardijk s question on the precise course of the boundary-line on the old bedelux-tripoint: - the included topographic map-detail seems to
      May 14, 2002 @ 17:06 - Eef Berns ("Eef Berns" <eefberns@dds.nl>)
6473. Re: Old bedelux mystery solved?
      Eef Berns wrote: (...)- the included topographic map-detail seems to indicate that the belux-border to the west is in the middle of the road. The present
      May 14, 2002 @ 17:59 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6475. Re: Old bedelux mystery solved?
      ... the ... the ... spot, ... ironcast ... the ... guys glad you are both happy to believe in the map depiction while i will also remain happy to believe that
      May 14, 2002 @ 19:42 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6476. Re: tri-border picture: Czech R. , ? , ?
      hmm sounds like you may have been blithely skipping a bit too doug so good going on that account as the rest of us have been calling these triborders tripoints
      May 14, 2002 @ 19:52 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6477. Re: Old bedelux mystery solved?
      acroorca2002 wrote: guys glad you are both happy to believe in the map depiction (...) OK, I should have written I am happy to accept the solution as given
      May 14, 2002 @ 20:03 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6478. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Status on IEUK?
      ... cleanly along preexisting county lines . . . ... what changes might or should be made but i think perhaps no dispute at all about the boundary as it is
      May 14, 2002 @ 20:07 - Gerard J Keating ("Gerard J Keating" <gerard@...>)
6479. 1864dedk Was: Boarder shifts
      Here is the online ad for the book. http://www.hejde.dk/gendarm/ Click on Indhold for a picture of an 1864 de border marker. Jesper ... From: acroorca2002 To:
      May 14, 2002 @ 20:09 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6480. BOUNDARYPOINT *VIRUS ALERT*
      The W32/Klez.h@MM virus was apparently detected with respect to message #6474, titled A very funny website . The poster has been notified and his posting
      May 14, 2002 @ 20:20 - bumpa50_1999 ("bumpa50_1999" <hanrahan@...>)
6481. Re: Old bedelux mystery solved?
      ... given ... yes yes shouts of joy here too ... ok i value it higher in that case ... right & the american style of marker crypt embedded within the road is
      May 14, 2002 @ 22:33 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6482. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BOUNDARYPOINT *VIRUS ALERT*
      ... A feature of this virus is that is tends to fake the from portion of the email. Often the apparent poster is not the person whom sent it, but maybe a
      May 14, 2002 @ 22:58 - Gerard J Keating ("Gerard J Keating" <gerard@...>)
6483. RE: [BoundaryPoint] BOUNDARYPOINT *VIRUS ALERT*
      Thanks Gerard...good information! Bill ... From: Gerard J Keating [mailto:gerard@oceanfree.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 6:58 PM To:
      May 14, 2002 @ 23:26 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
6484. border merger off
      The residents of the NSW town of Albury have rejected a proposal to merge into a cross-border municipality with the Victorian town of Wodonga. In a voluntary
      May 15, 2002 @ 08:45 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <b.whyte@...>)
6485. Re: Old bedelux mystery solved?
      reconsidering also the remark in message 6439 about there also being 4 small auxiliary belu markers at nearby road intersections & seeing the nearest one of
      May 15, 2002 @ 11:59 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6486. brazil border site is back but data are still incomplete
      the brazilian site is working again so you can catch up with marcel now at brcove in message 6382 & jesper at brcope in message 6397 the midcity international
      May 15, 2002 @ 19:47 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6487. Re: Status on IEUK?
      What type of border controls are in place on the IEUK border? I flew from Dublin to Birmingham, England (BHX) last spring and there was no customs or
      May 16, 2002 @ 17:04 - mls515.rm ("mls515.rm" <mls515@...>)
6488. Re: Old bedelux mystery solved?
      ... yes in message 4660 about busingen but the occurrence was fortuitous rather than deliberate so not a really suitable example & a haunting but probably
      May 16, 2002 @ 19:09 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6489. Re: Status on IEUK?
      ... cool question mike & thanks to gerard also for confirming my earlier ieuk guess so since i am becoming a guexsspert on this boundary i will guess again in
      May 16, 2002 @ 19:27 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6490. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Status on IEUK?
      My understanding from various past sources (which of course I can t recreate now) is that one enters a distinctly military presence when crossing from the
      May 16, 2002 @ 19:33 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
6491. Re: Status on IEUK?
      btw were it not for these amazing dogs weapons & drugs would be just as strange bedfellows as sex & violence
      May 16, 2002 @ 19:37 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6492. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Status on IEUK?
      I have heard of the border straddling houses, but have never figured out where. I would love to visit Clones, but since there is no demarcation, if could be a
      May 16, 2002 @ 19:41 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6493. Re: Status on IEUK?
      ... recreate ... from ... particular ... tourists not ... hahahahahahahaha domestic or international american tourists
      May 16, 2002 @ 19:43 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6494. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Status on IEUK?
      ... In relation to the land border , during the troubles, a lot of minor cross-border roads were closed, but most have beeen reopened in the past ten years.
      May 16, 2002 @ 19:53 - Gerard J Keating ("Gerard J Keating" <gerard@...>)
6495. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Status on IEUK?
      When I visited the land border near Monaghan two years ago, the remains of an old checkpoint could be seen, but there was no security and the border was only
      May 16, 2002 @ 22:04 - Bramwell Hayes (=?iso-8859-1?q?Bramwell=20Hayes?= <bramwellhayes@...>)
6496. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Status on IEUK?
      well you are making me a proud guesser again & again my friend air space & county markers rather than fortifications & we hear in denmark even the county
      May 17, 2002 @ 00:18 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
6497. Re: Status on IEUK?
      i should guess they would have multipoints or even megapoints at clones ... out where. ... could be a big dissapointment. ... Kingdom and ... boundaries, ...
      May 17, 2002 @ 00:34 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6498. Re: Status on IEUK?
      ... But could the petrol also be delivered only through the UK? The thing reminds me of the situation that was explained to us by the owner of the _Biergrens_,
      May 17, 2002 @ 07:52 - pepijnh ("pepijnh" <pepijnh@...>)
6499. try pointing for a 1769 usny3kiqu turnstone in the news
      following is a quick translation of a story in yesterdays ny times headline its a boulder all right but was it once a border subhead marker lost to history is
      May 17, 2002 @ 12:33 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6500. Re: Old bedelux mystery solved?
      ... yet immediately after scribbling the above yesterday i chanced to reach the following scene set on the us2ilin border in chapter 11 of the book i had been
      May 17, 2002 @ 14:04 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6501. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Former DDR-border patrol boats for sale
      Photos of the former GDR border patrol boats are now on my website http://home.planet.nl/~veenhh/borderland.htm after entering look in the European section. gl
      May 17, 2002 @ 20:48 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
6502. Re: Status on IEUK?
      It sounds like my information is severly outdated...thankfully! Bill ... recreate ... crossing from ... particular ... tourists not
      May 17, 2002 @ 21:50 - bumpa50_1999 ("bumpa50_1999" <hanrahan@...>)
6503. Site w/ border crossing stories
      hey all i stumbled across this one about 2 norwegian dudes who drive from Norway to New Zealand. There s some border photos sprinkled about and also their
      May 18, 2002 @ 06:12 - drpotatoes ("drpotatoes" <drpotatoes@...>)
6504. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Boarder shifts
      I managed to get hold of this wondefull book. Looks like only few markers remain in place. Some are close to the highway, and we will stop there. Enclosed is a
      May 18, 2002 @ 07:13 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
6505. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Boarder shifts
      Here is another 1864dedk picture: Vested-Hvidding intenational railway station. This one was new to me. Fence is the border, 4 German guards, 2 Danish + 2
      May 18, 2002 @ 07:35 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
6506. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Site w/ border crossing stories
      Now, that s a nice trick! Bill ... From: drpotatoes [mailto:drpotatoes@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 2:12 AM To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
      May 18, 2002 @ 10:41 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
6507. Re: try pointing for a 1769 usny3kiqu rock in the news
      ... etc etc etc ... but all hope is vain since everything is already hung in plain english & full view at
      May 18, 2002 @ 18:54 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6508. Re: try pointing for a 1769 usny3kiqu rock in the news
      oops 2 maps are still missing in case you missed them also 1 more pic showing the 10grand excavation but well begun m ...
      May 18, 2002 @ 19:14 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6509. Re: TP map iqkwsa
      at last the question from message 5871 & 5865 can be answered yes there is an iqkwsa tripoint monument called iqkw pillar 1 in the wadi bottom
      May 19, 2002 @ 03:06 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6510. new official natural deh proclaimed
      http://www.udel.edu/dgs/Publications/pubsonline/info8.html indicates that the highest point in delaware has officially moved off the street & into a nearby
      May 19, 2002 @ 03:41 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6511. east timor
      if someone has a better map of east timor, please post. also, could someone please give me a brief history of the enclave Ocussi- Ambeno ? thanks and
      May 19, 2002 @ 05:20 - timothykiser ("timothykiser" <timothykiser@...>)
6512. Re: east timor
      timothy
      May 19, 2002 @ 14:43 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6513. Re: east timor
      oops anyway its the 5th ocussi item at google m ...
      May 19, 2002 @ 14:46 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6514. Re: east timor
      oops anyway its the 5th ocussi item at google m ...
      May 19, 2002 @ 14:47 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6515. Re: east timor
      oops anyway its the 5th ocussi item at google m ...
      May 19, 2002 @ 15:12 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6516. Re: east timor
      whoops & multiwhoops this must be the main celebration erupting already folks as the yahoo server has also gone completely nuts blowing urls & reposting & sky
      May 19, 2002 @ 16:15 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6517. Timor
      ... Best account of the boundary is pp82/3 (text p 82, map p83) of Prescott, Collier & Prescott, Frontiers of Asia and Southeast Asia , Uni Melbourne Press,
      May 20, 2002 @ 02:43 - b.whyte@pgrad.unimelb.edu.au (b.whyte@...)
6518. china completes internal boundary survey
      a first complete survey of cn2 & cn3 aka the borders of all the provinces & counties of china requiring 6 years & covering 478000 km to complete was finished
      May 20, 2002 @ 03:42 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6519. US/MEX Border monuments at San Diego
      Hey acroorca2002, I dig the old photos, man things have changed (http://digthatcrazyfarout.com/oldtj/BoundaryStone.html) In regards to the missing marker, they
      May 20, 2002 @ 06:22 - drpotatoes ("drpotatoes" <drpotatoes@...>)
6520. US/MEX Border monuments at San Diego
      Hey acroorca2002, I dig the old photos, man things have changed (http://digthatcrazyfarout.com/oldtj/BoundaryStone.html) In regards to the missing marker, they
      May 20, 2002 @ 06:22 - drpotatoes ("drpotatoes" <drpotatoes@...>)
6521. Re: East Timor
      For those of you who are interested, IBRU published a detailed analysis of the land and maritime boundaries of East Timor by Neil Deeley of the British Defence
      May 20, 2002 @ 08:20 - Martin Pratt ("Martin Pratt" <m.a.pratt@...>)
6522. Re: US/MEX Border monuments at San Diego
      victor ... mystery solved thank you & your monument numbers & other data can be followed at topozone too The first 6 photos show #258, the one ... this looks
      May 20, 2002 @ 12:28 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6523. beating the bounds
      http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/drive/yac63/chapter3.htm for the bacchanalian origins in merry old england of the new england custom of town perambulation
      May 20, 2002 @ 19:19 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6524. first english tripoint found
      http://www.bath.ac.uk/lispring/hl2.htm shows the ancient dorset somerset wiltshire tripoint monument aka egberts stone & says tripoints are powerful places in
      May 20, 2002 @ 19:40 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6525. the long & the short of it about international ghost stones in the usa
      http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/la/desoto/images/marker.jpg shows one of only 2 known former international boundary stones in the united states a tall
      May 21, 2002 @ 20:42 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6526. the long & the short of it about international ghost stones in the usa
      http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/la/desoto/images/marker.jpg shows one of only 2 known former international boundary stones in the united states a tall
      May 21, 2002 @ 20:44 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6527. Amateur radio QSL card commemorating Norway-Sweden border
      1983 QSL card sent to amateur radio operator OE1HGW commemorating the Norway-Sweden border: http://hamgallery.com/qsl/country/Norway/lg5lg.htm Bill, W1WH
      May 21, 2002 @ 20:57 - bumpa50_1999 ("bumpa50_1999" <hanrahan@...>)
6528. Fw: UWE PRESS RELEASE
      ... Kennard, Ann Head of German Chair of Bristol-Hannover Council Email: Ann.Kennard@uwe.ac.uk Tel.No: 0117 344 2263 University of the West of England
      May 22, 2002 @ 16:27 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
6529. whats wrong with this picture
      http://www.dcdar.org/boundary_stones_loc.htm#nw1 encore http://www.enlou.com/markers/intntlboundarymarker.htm m
      May 22, 2002 @ 17:28 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6530. tripoints versus triple points
      Dear Boundary pointers, I m in the process of reading a very interesting book on Boundary-making...a handbook for statesmen, treaty editors and boundary
      May 22, 2002 @ 19:10 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
6531. Re: tripoints versus triple points
      ... hi peter the word tripoint strikes me as a fairly spontaneous & universal modernism & an outgrowth of natural language neither exclusively gb nor us nor
      May 22, 2002 @ 23:44 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6532. Re: [BoundaryPoint] whats wrong with this picture
      My eyes are dim... I cannot see... Sheesh. Let s send em a camera! Doug ... From: acroorca2002 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 22,
      May 23, 2002 @ 00:16 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
6533. Re: whats wrong with this picture
      hahaha right you are those were the most botched whats wrong with this picture pictures ever shown the correct answers had there been any would have been first
      May 23, 2002 @ 12:26 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6534. dedk and a secret
      All 1864 dedk border markers are no longer situated at their origin location. Some are placed at monuments, some used for benches, others for gravestones etc.
      May 23, 2002 @ 18:31 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
6535. bad news
      Dear border-friends, free of charge providers of web-space are a blessing (as it costs nothing) but can be a pain as well, as they have pop-up ads and
      May 23, 2002 @ 19:32 - kahbeh2000 ("kahbeh2000" <kahbeh@...>)
6536. Re: [BoundaryPoint] bad news
      i got a message, that on http://web.archive.org/web/20011122144820/members.tripod.lycos.nl/grenze/gre nze.htm you can still find at least parts of the project.
      May 23, 2002 @ 20:41 - arne schulz ("arne schulz" <wertkauf@...>)
6537. RE: [BoundaryPoint] bad news
      Bernd (and BP ers in general), Very bad news indeed, and you have my sincere sympathies (as I m sure you have from all BP members) about the loss of your data.
      May 23, 2002 @ 20:41 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
6538. Re: [BoundaryPoint] bad news
      ups, i try it a second time: http://web.archive.org/web/20011122144820/members.tripod.lycos.nl/grenze/gre nze.htm bye, chris ... From: kahbeh2000
      May 23, 2002 @ 20:50 - chris ("chris" <wertkauf@...>)
6539. Re: [BoundaryPoint] bad news
      okay, add this nze.htm to the link, i posted, this will work. bye ... From: chris To: Sent: Thursday,
      May 23, 2002 @ 20:54 - chris ("chris" <wertkauf@...>)
6540. Re: [BoundaryPoint] bad news
      ... From: chris To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] bad news okay, add this nze.htm to the
      May 23, 2002 @ 21:14 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
6541. Fw: [BoundaryPoint] bad news
      Sorry if this shows up twice. I sent it and never got it back and it doesn t appear in the archives. ... From: Bill Hanrahan To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
      May 23, 2002 @ 21:20 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
6542. Re: [BoundaryPoint] bad news
      ... From: Bill Hanrahan To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 3:41 PM Subject: RE: [BoundaryPoint] bad news Bernd (and BP ers in
      May 23, 2002 @ 21:12 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
6543. Re: [BoundaryPoint] bad news
      ... From: kahbeh2000 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 2:32 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] bad news Dear border-friends, free of
      May 23, 2002 @ 21:23 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
6544. Re: [BoundaryPoint] bad news
      ... From: kahbeh2000 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 2:32 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] bad news Dear border-friends, free of
      May 23, 2002 @ 20:30 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
6545. Real Help to Bad News
      Try using doteasy.com - a free website hosting company in Canada. Free to a point. 20MB are free, they ll register/move your domain quickly and efficiently
      May 24, 2002 @ 03:54 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
6546. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Real Help to Bad News
      ... From: lnadybal To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 10:54 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Real Help to Bad News Try using
      May 24, 2002 @ 04:37 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
6547. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Real Help to Bad News
      Len, that would be great, thank you. Losing BP s data has been a long standing concern of mine. Bill ... From: lnadybal To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent:
      May 24, 2002 @ 10:32 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
6548. Re: Real Help to Bad News
      ... Hear, hear. We re indebted to you, Len. Grant
      May 24, 2002 @ 12:10 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
6549. Re: Real Help to Bad News
      ... glad to hear from all you guys too & to see all your outpourings of generosity & sympathy but i dont share any of your woes or concerns not only because
      May 24, 2002 @ 15:23 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6550. Re: Real Help to Bad News
      i dont share any of your woes or concerns . Gee, that s a little hard - like a policeman who has seen too many traffic accidents. I just came through the
      May 24, 2002 @ 16:08 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
6551. Re: [BoundaryPoint] dedk and a secret
      My (late) grandfather was a borderguard (grenscommies) as a soldier during WW I, somewhere in the province of Limburg. I remember my mother has a box of old
      May 24, 2002 @ 18:38 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
6552. More ghost stones
      More ghost stones on this excellent site: http://home.westbrabant.net/~deeleman/index.html look for VERVOLG nieuw! Jannis Deeleman promissed more pictures
      May 24, 2002 @ 18:57 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
6553. Re: [BoundaryPoint] More ghost stones
      Harry How about Märket? Jesper ... From: Harry ten Veen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 8:57 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] More
      May 24, 2002 @ 19:05 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6554. Re: [BoundaryPoint] More ghost stones
      And a nice shot of the drielandenpunt! I remember it like last September! ... From: Harry ten Veen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 24,
      May 24, 2002 @ 23:09 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
6555. Borderland... Ukraine!
      I was just flipping through my 2002 edition of the Let s Go Eastern Europe -- when I came across the Ukraine section. Imagine my surprise when I read:
      May 25, 2002 @ 01:12 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@...>)
6556. Re: Borderland... Ukraine!
      Germany lost Breslau in 1945 while the Polish had their occupation zone in Germany - so your map has to be prior to that. Do you see any border markings
      May 25, 2002 @ 03:14 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
6557. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Borderland... Ukraine!
      Len: Nothing odd north of Czechoslovakia. Danzig is shown with a border around the area (from Gdynia to the west, and Elbing to the east). Trieste lies fully
      May 25, 2002 @ 03:47 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
6558. thanks...
      ...for all the reactions! A new home is being created at: http://www.grenzen.150m.com grenzen happens to be the Dutch AND the German translation of borders
      May 25, 2002 @ 06:54 - kahbeh2000 ("kahbeh2000" <kahbeh@...>)
6559. Re: [BoundaryPoint] thanks...for nothing
      Bad Choice i got into a loop i couldn t get out without aborting explorer. regards Franc ... From: kahbeh2000 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday,
      May 25, 2002 @ 14:37 - Franc Van Diest ("Franc Van Diest" <franc@...>)
6560. Re: [BoundaryPoint] More ghost stones
      Attached dedk ghost stones (ab)used as benches just south of the 1864 dedk. The big marker was at a small 1864 dedk border creek, not sure if the marker has
      May 25, 2002 @ 14:47 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
6561. Re: More ghost stones
      nice so clearly the little guys have been displaced & recollected there as bench stones & thus are stone cold dead rocks rather than true international ghost
      May 25, 2002 @ 15:14 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6562. Re: thanks...
      congrats bernd on this wonderful creation & renewal
      May 25, 2002 @ 15:23 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6563. Re: More ghost stones
      thanx harry & can you or anyone else who understands dutch tell us if any of these old stones shown on this site are actually standing on former international
      May 25, 2002 @ 15:39 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6564. more good news
      ... not really its just that i have a higher regard for your own sovereignty & creativity than you do if you realized how powerful you were indeed how divine
      May 25, 2002 @ 15:51 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6565. Re: More ghost stones
      well ok i can understand that the prussian & aken stones might be international ghosts so i would like to see the maps for those or some other confirmation in
      May 25, 2002 @ 16:53 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6566. RE: [BoundaryPoint] tripoints versus triple points
      Peter, I may be the guilty person who coined the term, tripoint or tri-point. When I wrote my book, Tri-State Corners in the United States, I was
      May 25, 2002 @ 18:48 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
6567. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: More & More ghost stones
      Dear BP-friends, Your comments made one thing claer to me: I have to make a translation of what I wrote on my site. Gosh !, my English is horrible, I prefer
      May 25, 2002 @ 20:13 - JC.Deeleman ("JC.Deeleman" <deeleman@...>)
6568. European tripoint lat & long list
      I ve recently been downloading data from http://rimmer.ngdc.noaa.gov/coast/getcoast.html and extracting and collating international boundary data. This is
      May 25, 2002 @ 22:19 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
6569. Re: [BoundaryPoint] European tripoint lat & long list
      Thanks Grant Here are Fran s reading from GCEBE: 1. Germany-Czech R-Poland N50 52.236 E14 49.399 2. Austria-Czeck R-Slovakia Not obtained 3.
      May 25, 2002 @ 22:31 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6570. Quad-county point in Kansas
      While in Kansas to attend my grandson s graduation from K State we visited a couple of county quad points. One was of particular interest. The attached
      May 26, 2002 @ 03:09 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@northnet.org>)
6571. Eth/Sud/Ken tripoint
      The Berkeley map collection has some Ethiopian maps online which show this tript. Go to http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/EART/g8030s200s6.html and select the bottom
      May 26, 2002 @ 06:39 - b.whyte@pgrad.unimelb.edu.au (b.whyte@...)
6572. happy borderfreaks look like this!
      A very pleasant Sunday morning to all of you! Attached pls find two pictures, taken a week ago on the DeDk border during our mini -expedition... It was a
      May 26, 2002 @ 07:59 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
6573. Re: more good news
      Apologies to everyone else, but what a collection of nonsequiturs. You have a higher regard for my sovereignty and creativity than I do? I should realize how
      May 26, 2002 @ 16:28 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
6574. Gorgeous Maps - Big Collections
      Detailed collections, zoomable, printable, no joining (password etc.), no ads. Go here: http://www.maplibraries.com Regards LN
      May 26, 2002 @ 16:33 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
6575. Re: [BoundaryPoint] happy borderfreaks look like this!
      Here is a closer look of how it looks beyound the last border marker, just before the border dissapears into the North Sea. Jesper
      May 26, 2002 @ 17:08 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
6576. Re: [BoundaryPoint] happy borderfreaks look like this!
      These cute Danish creatures had no idea how close they were to an international border. I am taking the photo from Germany. Jesper ... From: Jesper & Nicolette
      May 26, 2002 @ 17:18 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
6577. Re: Eth/Sud/Ken tripoint
      lovely find brendan also it is easy to reach the tripoint directly by just taking ones 2nd zoom not to the upper right corner per se but into the 2nd square to
      May 26, 2002 @ 18:04 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6578. Re: European tripoint lat & long list
      can anyone convert frans utm readings to grants latlong readings or vice versa to see how close these tries may be m ... tricky, ... text files) ... all are
      May 26, 2002 @ 18:12 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6579. Re: More & More ghost stones
      thanx & bravo jannis & great to learn these new details directly from you can you also say why the missing moresnet stones are missing numbers 16 20 52 54 55 &
      May 26, 2002 @ 18:51 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6580. Re: European tripoint lat & long list
      ... UTM s just a mapping convention - I think these coords are dd mm.mmm format, presumably WGS84 - which won t be in strict alignment with whatever antique
      May 26, 2002 @ 19:07 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
6581. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: More ghost stones
      Just verified with an expert. The 1885 stone IS a measuring point, and has nothing to do with the border. Jesper ... From: acroorca2002 To:
      May 26, 2002 @ 19:30 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6582. Re: more good news
      ... do? ... fantastic rhetoric len but questionable punctology default reality is just a catchall term for this whole mess of unpleasantness that you are
      May 26, 2002 @ 20:00 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6583. Re: more good news
      Len: Maybe if you just think of Michael as a visitor from an alternate reality, it would help. Michael: How do you square your happy disregard for some future
      May 26, 2002 @ 22:44 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
6584. Re: more good news
      OK - I ll be me and Michael will continue. End of thread. LN
      May 27, 2002 @ 00:49 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
6585. Re: more good news
      OK - I ll be me and Michael will continue. End of thread. LN
      May 27, 2002 @ 00:49 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
6586. Re: more good news
      ... hahahaha true enough but i am really living in this one with you too ... aha another telling question & i guess the answer is that i am here mainly for the
      May 27, 2002 @ 01:05 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6587. Re: More ghost stones
      cool so denmark has no ghosts m er what kind of expert ... border.
      May 27, 2002 @ 01:47 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6588. Re: tripoints versus triple points
      certainly jack whatever the actual priority you are an early & a most major depositor of this word in the great thought bank in the sky from which we are all
      May 27, 2002 @ 03:04 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6589. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: More ghost stones
      Well, he is the guy who wrote the books about the borders, one of each. Jesper ... From: acroorca2002 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 27,
      May 27, 2002 @ 04:59 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6590. Re: European tripoint lat & long list
      ... just the obvious first guess since the order of magnitude is evidently about 10x a single tiny transcription or typographical error somewhere anywhere in
      May 27, 2002 @ 14:38 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6591. Re: more good news
      ... Is its present level of disorganisation not ... ok i get it now & here is my earnest answer for me & i suspect for most other members too almost all the
      May 27, 2002 @ 15:57 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6592. just for example
      instead of sending this in as a file here is what the animaniacs have to say http://daniel.li.com/movies m
      May 27, 2002 @ 16:07 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6593. Re: just for example
      ... Good plan - at 6.2MB, it would not be particularly welcome as an automatic transmission to everyone s mailbox. ... And a link to a distant file is fine,
      May 27, 2002 @ 18:38 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
6594. Re: European tripoint lat & long list
      ... Good suggestion. I don t think this has occurred in the WVS/WDB data in this instance, because the data for the three joining borders are internally
      May 27, 2002 @ 18:55 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@blueyonder.co.uk>)
6595. important: change of email address
      Dear BP-members, due to constant virus attacks on my old mail programme. I ve decided to change to another - Opasia... from now on, pls use the address
      May 27, 2002 @ 19:31 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
6596. Re: just for example
      ... ok i agree with everything you say & thats exactly why i wrote in the word animaniacs which i considered easily the single most memorable aspect of this
      May 27, 2002 @ 20:01 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6597. Re: just for example
      ... Fair enough, I suppose, if you are I wanted to retrieve it and could remember the unusual word. The link is taking a very long time to do nothing at all
      May 27, 2002 @ 20:32 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
6598. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: just for example
      ... thank you objection allowed i just wanted it to be a surprise in this case so it wasnt really a good example of anything but fun i agree but felt i owed
      May 27, 2002 @ 20:55 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
6599. Market markers
      Ok, here it comes. I contacted [by e-mail] a Finish radio-amateur who was going to Market Reef. Searching for his address I found that he had been there
      May 27, 2002 @ 21:20 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
6600. Re: Market markers
      hahahaha hahahahaha even those who arrived here via messages 1618 & 6553 will be wondering what this one is all about m ... Market Reef.
      May 27, 2002 @ 22:55 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6601. 1 possible international ghost stone in gb
      has this faint ghost or any mates been reported yet http://www.border-stones.fsnet.co.uk/041_060/059/details.htm some auld acquaintance or deja vu acknowledged
      May 28, 2002 @ 01:25 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6602. Re: 1 possible international ghost stone in gb
      message 4569 at least casts some doubt on the claim m
      May 28, 2002 @ 01:41 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6603. Cooch Behar enclave thesis available
      For those of you who were hesitant the first time, my thesis on the Cooch Behar enclaves (all 198 of them), has now been published officially by my department,
      May 28, 2002 @ 07:47 - b.whyte@pgrad.unimelb.edu.au (b.whyte@...)
6604. Re: Cooch Behar enclave thesis available
      major congrats brendan on this culmination & apotheosis m ... Cooch Behar enclaves (all 198 of them), has now been published officially by my department, and I
      May 29, 2002 @ 00:17 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6605. Re: Eth/Sud/Ken tripoint
      my cyrillic stinks but cribbing from message 1061 i was able to locate such features as mt lubur & the village of namuruputh kenya & possibly even sanderson
      May 29, 2002 @ 00:37 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6606. Re: Quad-county point in Kansas
      a wondrous view from & of our great american oz too jack you must be the true wizard of try pointing & this also means the several of us at bp have now made
      May 29, 2002 @ 01:02 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6607. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Quad-county point in Kansas
      The report is is essentially done, but is still in the form of notes and lists. Since I already spend too much time at the computer at the expense of other
      May 29, 2002 @ 03:51 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
6608. Anyone know of the Mundatwald?
      Until 1989 or so, there was an area along the French German border between Saarbruecken, close to Karlsruhe, north of the French town of Wissenbourg called the
      May 30, 2002 @ 01:38 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
6609. Significant border disputes
      Now that it looks like Guatemala may actually sign a treaty acknowledging the existance of Belize, what significant border disputes over land (Fishing rights
      May 30, 2002 @ 04:02 - naraht ("naraht" <naraht@...>)
6610. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Significant border disputes
      ... From: naraht To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 11:02 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Significant border disputes Now that it
      May 30, 2002 @ 05:00 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
6611. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Significant border disputes
      Here s a site on africaonline that I just dug up on Google, doing a search on war land dispute: . It
      May 30, 2002 @ 05:16 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
6612. Current Wars
      Many of these involve land disputes and I was right. There is a Bosnia-Serbia one: Bosnia Bosnia vs
      May 30, 2002 @ 05:24 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
6613. RE: Anyone know of the Mundatwald?
      You can find the 1984 and 1991 treaties ( in french ), on the links below ( perhaps you have to cut and paste the lines ):
      May 30, 2002 @ 07:56 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
6614. New member from Berlin
      Hi group, I came across this forum when surfing some websites on enclaves, and joined in at once. Being a native of West Berlin, I ve always had this anorakish
      May 30, 2002 @ 18:00 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <wolfi.junkmail@...>)
6615. STORY: Mexico-US Water dispute along border
      http://www.americaspolicy.org/commentary/2002/0205water.html
      May 30, 2002 @ 18:03 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@...>)
6616. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New member from Berlin
      Welcome Wolfgang... There has been some discussion in the past -- but please feel free to post all that you have! The more the better! If you have any
      May 30, 2002 @ 18:16 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
6617. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New member from Berlin
      ... yes please....
      May 30, 2002 @ 21:12 - Gerard J Keating ("Gerard J Keating" <gerard@...>)
6618. cycling the Former Iron
      Interesting story and pictures (including an old borderstone) of a bicycle tour along the former Iron Curtain:
      May 30, 2002 @ 21:10 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@...>)
6619. Lots more!
      Here s a link to the main page where my previous posting pointed. Lots of pictures and text. http://www-public.tu-bs.de:8080/~wittram/reisen/index.html Doug
      May 30, 2002 @ 21:13 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@...>)
6620. Kurile book
      ... ISBN: 5926500451 Zilanov, V.K., i dr. Russkie Kurily: istoriia i sovremennost : Sbornik dokumentov po istorii formirovaniia russko-iaponskoi i
      May 31, 2002 @ 02:12 - b.whyte@pgrad.unimelb.edu.au (b.whyte@...)
6621. Re: Quad-county point in Kansas
      great news jack & of course we do have all the time in the world it is just that unless someone keeps advancing the discussion with leading reports & questions
      May 31, 2002 @ 03:12 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6622. Berlin enclaves & territorial exchanges
      Hi again, here are some maps of Steinstücken. I gather the situation is familiar to some people, but maybe not some of the details I ll describe. The first
      May 31, 2002 @ 05:29 - anorak222 (anorak222 <wolfi.junkmail@snafu.de>)
6623. Re: Berlin enclaves & territorial exchanges
      One detail I forgot to mention: On the steinstuecken_1975 map, at the northern end of the enclave at the point where the corridor enters, a road branches off
      May 31, 2002 @ 05:38 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <wolfi.junkmail@...>)
6624. Re: New member from Berlin
      welcome & thank you very much wolfgang & compliments on the smoothness of the presentation as well anorak is new to me is this the german word for a west
      May 31, 2002 @ 13:15 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6625. Re: Anyone know of the Mundatwald?
      great sharpshooting as usual marcel & as you see it really doesnt even matter what the try is about yes evidently it neednt even be about a multipoint nor have
      May 31, 2002 @ 13:59 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6626. Re: Significant border disputes
      great to find you actively seeking again randy & i imagine many of us recall enjoying your imaginative geographical plays in the past so here you are again &
      May 31, 2002 @ 14:38 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6627. Re: Fw: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Can a point also be a border?
      The border does not exist, in about the same sense that a new object cuptable does not come into existence when I put my cup on the table. The cup touches
      May 31, 2002 @ 14:36 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
6628. Please post member photos!
      I d like to encourage BP members to post member photos in the Photos section (the respective album is coincidentally titled BP Members Photos ). Photos of
      May 31, 2002 @ 16:33 - bumpa50_1999 ("bumpa50_1999" <hanrahan@...>)
6629. Re: New member from Berlin
      ... It s a British word for what Americans might call a nerd. ... Thank you, I have some more maps to be scanned and background info. Just wait! Regards
      May 31, 2002 @ 18:29 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <wolfi.junkmail@...>)
6630. Re: Fw: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Can a point also be a border?
      I totally agree - I oculd have written this myself. But this raises another question. Tripoint: Malawi - Mozambique - Tanzania at the bank of Lake Malawi. Is
      May 31, 2002 @ 20:26 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6631. RE: Fw: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Can a point also be a border?
      So we can say it doesn t exist...in a wet environment! Bill ... From: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen [mailto:jesniel@image.dk] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 4:27 PM
      May 31, 2002 @ 23:22 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
6632. Re: Berlin enclaves & territorial exchanges
      Greetings, Wolgfgang. A couple of months ago we went through a discussion about this bridge, and how far below it West Berliner sovereignty extended, or if the
      Jun 01, 2002 @ 05:31 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
6633. Fw: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Can a point also be a border?
      ... table... What was that old question about borders? What is it that can go thousands of miles in nothing flat and yet never move? LN
      Jun 01, 2002 @ 05:44 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
6634. Fw: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Can a point also be a border?
      first jesper to the best of our knowledge meaning brownlie in message 1061 mwmztz tho disputed would appear to occupy in both probabilities a permanently wet
      Jun 01, 2002 @ 16:47 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6635. Fw: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Can a point also be a border?
      you bill on the other hand are absolutely right as usual nice pix too hey why did you cut yourself out of that hooters shot m ... Tanzania ... but that ...
      Jun 01, 2002 @ 16:57 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6636. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Can a point also be a border?
      Michael, I thought you d ask that...it was purely vanity - let s just say I ve lost a little weight since that shot was taken! Also, I thought it would be
      Jun 01, 2002 @ 17:04 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
6637. Lots of Baarle photos
      Hello! For those of you who might be interested: I was in Baarle yesterday and took a lot of border photos with my digital camera - to be found at
      Jun 01, 2002 @ 17:26 - Manfred Haertel (Manfred Haertel <Manfred.Haertel@...>)
6638. Re: Lots of Baarle photos
      gorgeous manfred serene & fresh did you get a look at the quadripoint between sections 1 & 2 on your map has it been similarly modernized too previously i
      Jun 01, 2002 @ 18:17 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6639. Fw: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Can a point also be a border?
      ... Jesper will correct me if I m wrong, but I understood him to mean that a point whose position is defined as being on the edge of a body water could be
      Jun 01, 2002 @ 18:46 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
6640. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Lots of Baarle photos
      Hello! ... Unfortunately not. I did *not* look for all borderlines (I did not have the time; it was just a one day s visit), we were just walking around in the
      Jun 01, 2002 @ 19:56 - Manfred Haertel (Manfred Haertel <Manfred.Haertel@...>)
6641. Fw: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Can a point also be a border?
      hahahaha & thankfully i must intertwingle again below ... a ... body ... hard swallowing here punctologically grant & will explain why below Hence, ... the
      Jun 01, 2002 @ 20:17 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6642. Re: Berlin enclaves & territorial exchanges
      Hi Len thank you for your kind reply. I ll try to answer your questions as far as ... Could you or anyone else please tell me the message-no. or subject of
      Jun 01, 2002 @ 20:28 - anorak222 (anorak222 <wolfi.junkmail@snafu.de>)
6643. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Please post member photos!
      I m there... Doug ... From: bumpa50_1999 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 9:33 AM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Please post member
      Jun 01, 2002 @ 20:46 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
6644. Re: Berlin enclaves & territorial exchanges
      ... of this ... just type in steinstucken or whatever term you seek & then expect to have to push the button that says next several times again & again so as
      Jun 01, 2002 @ 21:03 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6645. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Please post member photos!
      Nice shot! Bill ... From: Doug Murray [mailto:doug@dougmurrayproductions.com] Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 4:46 PM To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Subject:
      Jun 01, 2002 @ 21:10 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
6646. Fw: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Can a point also be a border?
      ... No distinction at all, in that case. I assumed you were suggesting the Potomac sloshed up and down regularly, wetting and drying the points in question,
      Jun 01, 2002 @ 21:17 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
6647. Re: Please post member photos!
      ... Me, too. Grant
      Jun 01, 2002 @ 21:25 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
6648. Re: Please post member photos!
      I m there now too vc
      Jun 02, 2002 @ 04:46 - drpotatoes ("drpotatoes" <drpotatoes@...>)
6649. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Berlin enclaves & territorial exchanges
      Hi Wolfgang, I lived in Berlin myself from 1986 to 1989 and also have an archive of pictures. Here s two I took in May 1998 of Fichtenwiese and Erlengrund and
      Jun 02, 2002 @ 14:05 - John Kelly ("John Kelly" <johnkelly@...>)
6650. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Berlin enclaves & territorial exchanges
      Sorry, Forgot the pictures. ... of ... Erlengrund ... years ... the ... the ... of
      Jun 02, 2002 @ 14:09 - John Kelly ("John Kelly" <johnkelly@astralvoyager.com>)
6651. Re: Berlin enclaves & territorial exchanges
      Hi, and thanks for the reply and the graphics. I have a website, exclave.info, and rather than make work to post the maps you asked for here, I ll post it to
      Jun 02, 2002 @ 15:22 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
6652. Re: Berlin enclaves & territorial exchanges
      Hi Len, ... in ... Yes I found some of that now. You already discussed everything I said yesterday. Damn :) But it seems there was no conclusion between the
      Jun 02, 2002 @ 18:38 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <wolfi.junkmail@...>)
6653. Re: Berlin enclaves & territorial exchanges
      Thanks John, pictures saved. Yes it looks like Gr. Kuhlake was between the two walls. Also interesting that the wall strip is still not grown over after 9
      Jun 02, 2002 @ 18:41 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <wolfi.junkmail@...>)
6654. Re: Berlin exclaves revisited, Bottcherberg
      While browsing through old threads ... This is posting #3044. Unfortunately the links are dead. Did anyone save the files? Thank you ... of
      Jun 02, 2002 @ 20:08 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <wolfi.junkmail@...>)
6655. Not Available - Berlin exclaves revisited, Bottcherberg
      I tried to link to all those photos, and others yesterday that other Geocities members posted, and all the looker gets is this page is not presently
      Jun 02, 2002 @ 23:19 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
6656. Re: Berlin enclaves & territorial exchanges
      Basically, right - we never came to a conclusion. I actually tilt towards your interpretation, but gave the opposite to get you to think about the other
      Jun 02, 2002 @ 23:28 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
6657. Re: Berlin enclaves & territorial exchanges
      Re: The treaty says that it was ceded to the Westsektoren Berlins It seems it should have read ceded to the American Sector of Berlin , to which it was
      Jun 03, 2002 @ 00:55 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
6658. Re: Berlin enclaves & territorial exchanges
      Hi! ... been ... Of course. But I think you are more pedantic than the treaty makers. In all the treaties of that time, including the original four-power-
      Jun 03, 2002 @ 10:34 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <wolfi.junkmail@...>)
6659. Re: Berlin enclaves & territorial exchanges
      Hi. I m still reading. To bring this back to earth, I ll only say we are descending into the same kind of situation parsing positions just as the parties to
      Jun 03, 2002 @ 14:10 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
6660. Re: Berlin enclaves & territorial exchanges
      ... the ... the ... are you surprised your experience is already perceptibly conforming to your own so deliberate thought & desire ... was ... hahahahaha
      Jun 03, 2002 @ 16:25 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6661. Re: Please post member photos!
      bravo victor bravo grant bravo jannis & glad to see you all so clearly for the first time & bravo bill now photo number 1 m
      Jun 03, 2002 @ 16:29 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6662. Fw: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Can a point also be a border?
      ... rigorously- ... yes indeed i think we all partly own all of nonphysical reality just like everyones land in fact nonphysical may be where we are from & who
      Jun 03, 2002 @ 16:41 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6663. worlds most fanciful border monument
      http://www.haystack.edu/~jcf/baikal/buryatia.gif is identified as a border monument somewhere around lake baikal m
      Jun 03, 2002 @ 17:24 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6664. worlds acutest multipoint slice
      ... the he of glhemaokpa is looking like a winner at about 15 degrees m
      Jun 03, 2002 @ 17:47 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6665. megaliths as boundary markers
      http://citd.scar.utoronto.ca/CITDPress/Holtorf/5.2.8.html with many links & sources m
      Jun 03, 2002 @ 18:22 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6666. message 6666 try
      for a 6th straight consecutive 4bagger in a row m
      Jun 03, 2002 @ 18:23 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
6667. Re: Old bedelux mystery solved?
      acroorca2002 wrote: but where else in europe have we seen a road centerline boundary strong deja vu didnt mats report a possible instance of this some time
      Jun 03, 2002 @ 20:08 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6668. Re: east timor
      Ocussi-Ambeno seems to have stayed Portuguese when the Dutch and the Portuguese decided to eliminate the enclaves on the island, and it was decided that
      Jun 03, 2002 @ 21:25 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6669. Re: Borderland... Ukraine!
      Doug Murray wrote: Len: Nothing odd north of Czechoslovakia. Danzig is shown with a border around the area (from Gdynia to the west, and Elbing to the east).
      Jun 03, 2002 @ 21:47 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6670. Re: Eth/Sud/Ken tripoint
      acroorca2002 wrote: lovely find brendan also it is easy to reach the tripoint directly by just taking ones 2nd zoom not to the upper right corner per se but
      Jun 03, 2002 @ 22:04 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6671. Re: Berlin enclaves & territorial exchanges
      Is your shift key broken? LN
      Jun 03, 2002 @ 22:05 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
6672. Re: More & More ghost stones
      acroorca2002 wrote: (...)[jannis:] The great part is yet to come!: the stones of the former border (1816 -1919) Germany - Belgium, about 100 stones. aha then
      Jun 03, 2002 @ 22:13 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6673. Re: Anyone know of the Mundatwald?
      See also msg. 2128! ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/2128 ) Peter S. ... of ... French ... of ... (the ... of ... the ... actually ...
      Jun 03, 2002 @ 22:26 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6674. Re: Not Available - Berlin exclaves revisited, Bottcherberg
      I still have that picture of the map somewhere. I ll post it when I have found it. Peter S. ... other ... not ... too, ... I ... film ... Thank ... location
      Jun 03, 2002 @ 22:42 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6675. Re: worlds most fanciful border monument
      See msg. 5885. Peter S.
      Jun 03, 2002 @ 22:53 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6676. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Not Available - Berlin exclaves revisited, Bottcherberg
      OK, attached that map again. Peter S ... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup
      Jun 03, 2002 @ 22:55 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
6677. Re: Eth/Sud/Ken tripoint
      ... A search of GeoNet gives an area named variously Lopemukath, Lopeemugath, Lobemugat which appears in all three countries. (GeoNet uses area for bits of
      Jun 03, 2002 @ 22:56 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
6678. kztmuz
      Anyone have any information concerning the westernmost part of the Uzbek-Kazakh border, which descends along a line of longitude to meet the Turkmen border?
      Jun 03, 2002 @ 23:10 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
6679. Re: Not Available - Berlin exclaves revisited, Bottcherberg
      ... Thank you Peter, that map solves a great mystery as to where these enclaves were, since no commercial map of the time shows them. Great!
      Jun 04, 2002 @ 08:27 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <wolfi.junkmail@...>)
6680. Re: Berlin enclaves & territorial exchanges
      Good morning! ... I hope we re not off topic for the group. If we should stop this discussion, please say so. ... Well ... for people who grew up and lived
      Jun 04, 2002 @ 08:39 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <wolfi.junkmail@...>)
6682. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Lots of Baarle photos
      excellant photos. Have you any more??????????? ... From: Manfred Haertel [mailto:Manfred.Haertel@rz-online.de] Sent: 01 June 2002 20:57 To:
      Jun 05, 2002 @ 08:09 - Bill Burke ("Bill Burke" <bill@...>)
6683. Boundaries Photo Essay
      Hello all, If anyone is interested in submitting photos or a photo essay on your boundary adventures please let me know. I am editing a book on boundaries
      Jun 05, 2002 @ 15:20 - leebax4 ("leebax4" <leebax4@...>)
6684. 1864 dedk border town
      http://www.egebaek-hviding.dk/ Click on By og historie, you will texts and pics of the 1864 dedk. The railway station was international. Jesper
      Jun 05, 2002 @ 20:27 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6685. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
      This is spam. How did it get here. Can we please throw this s&*thead off the board please Thank You JK. ...
      Jun 05, 2002 @ 23:02 - John Kelly ("John Kelly" <johnkelly@...>)
6686. Re: New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
      BP has maintained an open door policy which occasionally results in omeone joining the group for ulterior motives. The spam message has already been removed
      Jun 05, 2002 @ 23:36 - bumpa50_1999 ("bumpa50_1999" <hanrahan@...>)
6687. Former Belgian-German border in Burg-Reuland?
      I just saw a film in TV about Burg-Reuland, a German speaking town in Belgium. To my surprise they said that once (only ten years ago) the Belgian-German
      Jun 06, 2002 @ 19:49 - Manfred Haertel (Manfred Haertel <Manfred.Haertel@...>)
6688. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Digest Number 715
      ... Burg-Reuland is 10km due south of St Vith and 4km west of the current Belg-Ger boundary in the Our. The former German railroad enclave at Hemmeres is 4km
      Jun 07, 2002 @ 01:52 - b.whyte@pgrad.unimelb.edu.au (b.whyte@...)
6689. Re: Former Belgian-German border in Burg-Reuland?
      ... Meanwhile I found the webpage belonging to the broadcast: http://www.swr.de/fmh/archiv/020606/03.html About the restaurant (seems to be a bar) they write:
      Jun 07, 2002 @ 08:01 - Manfred Haertel (Manfred Haertel <Manfred.Haertel@...>)
6690. Inidan and Bangladeshi enclaves
      Dear Dr. Arindam K. Sen, Thank you for your request in my guestbook. You are most welcome to participate in our informal discussion list. You will find it on
      Jun 07, 2002 @ 08:24 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
6691. Old bedelu (or not)
      Maybe a long shot, but on http://users.skynet.be/sky36654/Burg3.htm , there is an old postcard (1905) of Dreilaender Blick . It shows Belgische, Deutsche,
      Jun 07, 2002 @ 17:03 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
6692. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Former Belgian-German border in Burg-Reuland?
      Manfred, What you wrote was very interesting and for me a big surprise as well ! The book you refer you seems more reliable than a TV-film, but..... After a
      Jun 07, 2002 @ 17:46 - JC.Deeleman ("JC.Deeleman" <deeleman@concepts.nl>)
6693. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Old bedelu (or not)
      Nice Peter !! Can you ask one of those 10 gentlemen the position of the borderline: on the left of the road, on the middle of the road or on the right of the
      Jun 07, 2002 @ 17:51 - JC.Deeleman ("JC.Deeleman" <deeleman@...>)
6694. Re: Former Belgian-German border in Burg-Reuland?
      JC.Deeleman wrote: (...)Zum Jägerhaus seems to exist, according to the map ! And it s situated on the border as well ! It s quiet possible that there has
      Jun 07, 2002 @ 17:59 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6695. International Boundary Study
      http://www.law.fsu.edu/library/collection/LimitsinSeas/numericalibs.php
      Jun 07, 2002 @ 20:43 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6696. Tri-point...
      In reading the documents that Jesper s link pointed to, I was surprised to see the use of the word tripoint. It is used to describe the Norway - USSR border
      Jun 08, 2002 @ 01:55 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@...>)
6697. Berg Reuland
      ... The Commune (Gemeente) of burg-Reuland does border on Germany, so perhaps they meant commune and not the town itself, which is well west of the boundary.
      Jun 08, 2002 @ 01:59 - b.whyte@pgrad.unimelb.edu.au (b.whyte@...)
6698. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Tri-point...
      Nice going Doug. That pushes the origin of tripoint back a long ways. Can anybody find an earlier use? Jack ... From: Doug Murray Productions
      Jun 08, 2002 @ 03:15 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
6699. King of Kosmos World, S.M. Prof.Dr. Günther W. Bosch
      Hi, His Majesty, Prof.Dr. Günther W. Bosch, made an explanation about the REAL situation around Lake Constance, Verenahof, Büsingen,... heres the link:
      Jun 08, 2002 @ 09:27 - wertkauf@gmx.net (wertkauf@...)
6700. Re: [BoundaryPoint] King of Kosmos World, S.M. Pro f.Dr. Günther W. Bosch
      I don t see the Lake Constance-part. Jesper ... From: wertkauf@gmx.net To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2002 11:27 AM Subject:
      Jun 08, 2002 @ 13:09 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6701. Pictures
      shortest intl bridgeDear Dallen I am working on a new border site, and are using some of the pictures that you posted on BoundaryPoint. By the way I found one
      Jun 08, 2002 @ 15:21 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6702. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Pictures
      Hi Jesper, I ll see if I can total up the number of intl borders I ve crossed and let you know. Also, you are welcome to use any of my photos for posting on
      Jun 09, 2002 @ 01:09 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
6703. North-South Korea
      By the way folks, some of you might be interested in a couple of facts. North Korea is allowing US citizens in on very restricted visas for July, 2002 only, as
      Jun 09, 2002 @ 01:21 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
6704. Great Central European Border Expedition
      I m still working on the funding for the completion of The Great Central European Border Expedition. Here is the graphic side (my apologies for the file size)
      Jun 09, 2002 @ 03:00 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
6705. BEDELU border visited; also BEDENE
      Last week I visited my first international tripoint. And my second and third! First was Monday, June 3, the Dreilandenpunt where the Netherlands, Belgium,
      Jun 09, 2002 @ 21:36 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
6706. birding along the Germany-Luxembourg border
      I am a serious birder/lister and also have a strong interest in boundaries and tripoints. Last week on Tuesday (June 4) I visited the place where Germany,
      Jun 09, 2002 @ 21:55 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
6707. Asian borders & tripoints from WVS/WDB
      I ve now harvested border data for Asia from the World Vector Shoreline and World DataBase II data. I ve uploaded another big file containing lat/long data
      Jun 09, 2002 @ 23:23 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
6708. Brendan's Book
      I d like to think I have one of the first copies of Brendan s thesis and have the privilege of publishing the first critical review. It s a must see! It
      Jun 10, 2002 @ 01:31 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
6709. Found... in the wilds of BC
      I was hiking today near Vancouver (Deep Cove) and fount that the trail was marked with some familiar initials. While the trail took me past all sorts of
      Jun 10, 2002 @ 03:48 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
6710. thanks Doug....!
      Doug, thanks for your contributions... very nice cover sheet from the GCEBE...! ...and nice pix from your hike as well... But Doug: Don t feel sorry about the
      Jun 10, 2002 @ 07:26 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
6711. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Found... in the wilds of BC
      The BP sign in the photographs. Is this the Scout movement?/ i.e. Baden Powell? The symbol seems to be that of international scouting. ... From: Doug Murray
      Jun 10, 2002 @ 07:24 - Bill Burke ("Bill Burke" <bill@...>)
6712. Re: [BoundaryPoint] King of Kosmos World, S.M. Pro f.Dr. Günther W. Bosch
      hi jesper, i was to quick with my posting. here is his opinion about lake constance.
      Jun 10, 2002 @ 07:31 - chris ("chris" <wertkauf@...>)
6713. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Found... in the wilds of BC
      That s exactly the name of the trail!! And you re right with the symbol too. ... From: Bill Burke To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 10,
      Jun 10, 2002 @ 17:03 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
6714. Nice visit to FINORU
      and looking along the borders http://communities.msn.no/e6g90ceda5ubojg2k1tv1sv1p5/pasvik2000.msnw?Page=4 Jesper
      Jun 10, 2002 @ 19:57 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6715. Eclipse
      I did a little playing around and managed to capture shots of this evening s eclipse on the west coast of North America. Here in Vancouver, it was only
      Jun 11, 2002 @ 01:46 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
6716. Ceuta
      While on a guided tour in Spain in late April, our group was taken to Morocco one day. We took the ferry from Algesires,(across the bay from Gibraltar), to
      Jun 11, 2002 @ 03:54 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@northnet.org>)
6717. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Ceuta
      Jack Great picture, and thanks for breaking this rule. Any signs of the neutral zone around Ceuta? Jesper ... From: Jack Parsell To: Boundary Point Sent:
      Jun 11, 2002 @ 05:09 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6718. Minor Stuff
      I had the chance to do some minor pointing yesterday, visiting the westernmost point of land in New Hampshire on a little island in the Connecticut River just
      Jun 11, 2002 @ 18:44 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
6719. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Great Central European Border Expedition
      Some nice people on your sheet Doug! But, I counted 7 people, don t you appear in your own movie? How can you explain those Euro-coins?? gl Harry ten Veen ...
      Jun 11, 2002 @ 20:12 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
6720. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Great Central European Border Expedition
      I struggled with having me in the film, and decided that I will tell the story of the others -- so, in fact, I am not part of the movie. Just the narrator.
      Jun 11, 2002 @ 20:40 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
6721. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Ceuta
      We did go through two customs gates. I assume one was Spanish (Ceuta) and the other Moroccan. Would the space between them be the neutral zone. Lots of
      Jun 12, 2002 @ 02:38 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
6722. Mason & Dixon Line
      The attached notice appeared in the May issue of Side Shots , the publication of the Professional Land Surveyors of Colorado. Since the topic of the
      Jun 12, 2002 @ 16:17 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@northnet.org>)
6723. More Minor Stuff
      Just got back from a trip to Rhode Island during which I visted RIE, the eastermost point in RI, on the beach near Quicksand Point. Relatively easy access from
      Jun 14, 2002 @ 19:21 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
6724. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Former Belgian-German border in Burg-Reuland?
      Dear Manfred and others: Last sunday I visited the area of Zum Jägerhaus in Burg-Reuland and I made some pictures. My impression is to be found on
      Jun 14, 2002 @ 21:56 - JC.Deeleman ("JC.Deeleman" <deeleman@...>)
6725. Jägerhaus and other border pictures
      Hello! And now my new border pictures are uploaded. First the ones of the Jägerhaus. http://rz-home.de/~mhaertel/bedelu/dia.cgi?1 : Old customs office beside
      Jun 15, 2002 @ 17:59 - Manfred Haertel (Manfred Haertel <Manfred.Haertel@...>)
6726. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Former Belgian-German border in Burg-Reuland?
      Hello! ... Funny, I visited the Jägerhaus right today (just came back). I will upload my photos this evening and post some more details. Later I visited the
      Jun 15, 2002 @ 16:54 - Manfred Haertel (Manfred Haertel <Manfred.Haertel@...>)
6727. Re: Former Belgian-German border in Burg-Reuland?
      Could one of you (Manfred or Jannis), or anyone else for that matter, tell me more about the boundary correction that took place around this Jägerhaus , i.e.
      Jun 15, 2002 @ 20:06 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6728. KuKuK on Borderpoint Köpfchen BeDe
      http://www.heimat.de/mehrwert/initiativen/kukuk.html this is a project to protect a former borderpost on the belgian-german border between aachen and eupen
      May 08, 2002 @ 06:02 - chris ("chris" <wertkauf@...>)
6729. Fw: [MB] Abschied vom Lehrter Stadtbahnhof
      hi, i got this message from berlin. if anyone is interested in the former last western s-bahn-station before friedrichstrasse take a hurry, bye, chris ...
      May 08, 2002 @ 15:13 - chris ("chris" <wertkauf@...>)
6730. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: European tripoint lat & long list
      The differencies were according to my calculations on Ozi Explorer 3.90.2 (compared with Fran s data): atchfl: 1037,8 m. in 130° athusi: 405,4 m. in 23,7°
      Jun 17, 2002 @ 22:50 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jakro64@yahoo.no>)
6731. Tornio-Haparanda Twin City
      Some time ago it was some discussion about the fise twin city of Tornio-Haparanda. Since I am passing through it this summer, I downloaded some maps which I
      Jun 18, 2002 @ 15:53 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <la9qca@qsl.net>)
6732. Tornio-Haparanda Twin City
      The next picture is collected from http://www.haparanda.se/maps/ It seems the piece of land on the right side of the fairway (western side) is an river islet
      Jun 18, 2002 @ 15:54 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <la9qca@qsl.net>)
6733. Re: Tornio-Haparanda Twin City
      At http://www.pagransen.com/ , you can read that the two municipalities are planning to build a new city centre straddling the border. A map can be found at
      Jun 18, 2002 @ 17:15 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6734. sen, ses, sew, see, sel, seh
      ... did I forget something? http://www.swedenoffroad.com/sv/reportage/rekordresa.html Peter S.
      Jun 18, 2002 @ 18:28 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6735. Towns across borders
      When a border splits a municipal area, the towns on either side usually have different names. But sometimes they have the same name. As far as I can tell, this
      Jun 19, 2002 @ 06:53 - djtilque ("djtilque" <dtilque@...>)
6736. RE: [BoundaryPoint] sen, ses, sew, see, sel, seh
      Hello Peter S. This guy is doing the same as Harry and me - visiting the northern, western, highest etc. point of his country. E. g. The northernmost point of
      Jun 19, 2002 @ 07:04 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <la9qca@...>)
6737. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Tornio-Haparanda Twin City
      Very nice! I did not see that. Thanks, Peter S.! Jan
      Jun 19, 2002 @ 07:08 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <la9qca@...>)
6738. RE: [BoundaryPoint] sen, ses, sew, see, sel, seh
      Forgot to mention that also the unofficial sec (centre of se) is mentioned in the article - in Medelpad. Jan
      Jun 19, 2002 @ 08:11 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <la9qca@...>)
6739. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Towns across borders
      Interesting table you put together Dan. The population of Nogales, Sonora, so the mayor says, is somewhere near one million. This does not seem too far fetched
      Jun 19, 2002 @ 16:47 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
6740. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Towns across borders
      Oh yeah, you might want to add Wendover, Nevada-Wendover, Utah to your list. It s a fascinating place, where gambling is permitted on one side of town (one
      Jun 19, 2002 @ 16:50 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
6741. Ghost stone
      Here is a pic of a dedk border stone from the border before the 1864 dedk
      Jun 19, 2002 @ 21:02 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6742. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Ghost stone
      The article states an address Brigittenstr. 5 Here is a Hamburg map, not sure if the local boundary has anything to do with the old international border Jesper
      Feb 19, 2002 @ 22:11 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6743. Re: Towns across borders
      ... I thought the Nevada town was West Wendover, rather than just Wendover. I ll check out Lake Tahoe. Thanks for the suggestions.
      Jun 20, 2002 @ 02:23 - djtilque ("djtilque" <dtilque@...>)
6744. Re: Towns across borders
      ... I was right about West Wendover NV. There s actually a fair number of these places where the town across the border is modified by a direction. Usually
      Jun 20, 2002 @ 10:09 - djtilque ("djtilque" <dtilque@...>)
6745. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Towns across borders
      ... Dallen, It is, but actually I think neither have the same name. The California town in the south Lake Tahoe area is (surprise!) South Lake Tahoe, much
      Jun 20, 2002 @ 11:08 - Brendan (Brendan <pit.hokie@...>)
6746. Re: Towns across borders
      ... After doing some research, I don t think they have combined nor has West Wendover NV changed its name to Wendover. Rather, they are trying to move the
      Jun 20, 2002 @ 12:09 - djtilque ("djtilque" <dtilque@...>)
6747. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Towns across borders
      Thanks for looking into these. I ve never heard of West Wendover. This must be a fairly new designation (two or three years) as I grew up not too far from
      Jun 20, 2002 @ 14:18 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
6748. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Towns across borders
      Isn t that strange. All these years of hearing just Wendover, Nevada and seeing it on maps, and I find out its actually West Wendover. Thanks to Dan and
      Jun 20, 2002 @ 14:26 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
6749. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Towns across borders
      There s also an interest situation at Mesquite, Nevada, which is immediately adjacent to the Arizona border. Traditionally Mesquite s urban development ended
      Jun 20, 2002 @ 14:34 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
6750. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Towns across borders
      Ok, I found one Website on the history of Wendover. It didn t become West Wendover until 1991. That s why I didn t know about it. I had already grown up and
      Jun 20, 2002 @ 14:40 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
6751. Re: Towns across borders
      ... but if not, I m sure someone will tell me so. Here s the international version. The phenomenon is international. Many towns in Europe were split by the
      Jun 20, 2002 @ 18:18 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
6752. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Towns across borders
      ... Were there also such cases *outside* of Berlin? ... One more example: There are at least 4 towns (may be more) split by the border between Germany and
      Jun 20, 2002 @ 18:39 - Manfred Haertel (Manfred Haertel <Manfred.Haertel@...>)
6753. Re: Towns across borders
      ... Yes - mostly at the latitude on the old border near Fulda and Kassel. I have some photos - I ll post one or two tonight when I m at home and can retrieve
      Jun 20, 2002 @ 19:42 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
6754. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Towns across borders
      From: Manfred.Haertel@rz-online.de [mailto:Manfred.Haertel@rz-online.de] Were there also such cases *outside* of Berlin? If you do not have the iron curtain in
      Jun 20, 2002 @ 21:34 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <la9qca@...>)
6755. Re: Towns across borders
      I think you are right - there are many instances. I believe you have to differentiate between cateogries of such places to not divert too far from the initial
      Jun 21, 2002 @ 00:00 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
6756. Re: Towns across borders
      ... One of my criteria is that the two towns have identical names. And this criterion is why there are few if any examples in Europe. The European practice
      Jun 21, 2002 @ 07:26 - djtilque ("djtilque" <dtilque@...>)
6757. Re: Towns across borders
      Hi, ... name. ... but ... There are some examples on the German-Polish border. In some cities the Polish name has been completely changed (Frankfurt/Slubice),
      Jun 21, 2002 @ 07:48 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <wolfi.junkmail@...>)
6758. Re: Towns across borders
      ... by ... Most famous is Mödlareuth, nicknamed Little Berlin . It was split between Thuringia and Bavaria a couple of centuries ago (The territories
      Jun 21, 2002 @ 07:57 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <wolfi.junkmail@...>)
6759. Re: Towns across borders
      Görlitz/Zgorzelec also has a Sorbian name: Zhorjelc. Peter S. ... but
      Jun 21, 2002 @ 08:17 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6760. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Towns across borders
      ... Actually it is Wasserbilligerbrück (same scheme as Echternacherbrück), which is part of Oberbillig. ... See the exit sign of Wallendorf-Pont on the
      Jun 21, 2002 @ 14:35 - Manfred Haertel (Manfred Haertel <Manfred.Haertel@...>)
6761. Re: Towns across borders
      Having been in State Line Nevada, South Lake Tahoe California, and Flin Flon Manitoba I figured I would chime in. At least in 1972, the street that divides
      Jun 21, 2002 @ 21:54 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
6762. CTN
      Made a nice visit to the northernmost point in Connecticut yesterday. If you plan to visit this point I recommend parking on the west side of CT/MA route 41
      Jun 21, 2002 @ 22:06 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
6763. Re: Towns across borders
      ... Statistics Canada gives a population of 6000 for the MB part of Flin Flon and 267 for the SK part. However, those population figures are for the urban
      Jun 21, 2002 @ 23:30 - djtilque ("djtilque" <dtilque@...>)
6764. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Towns across borders
      ... Not anymore. The street is called Stateline Rd., but there s nothing fancy about it. In fact, the border isn t really marked on the lake side. If you
      Jun 22, 2002 @ 00:48 - Brendan (Brendan <pit.hokie@...>)
6765. kaliningrad vs. EU
      borders, borders, borders! http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_2058000/2058822.s tm
      Jun 22, 2002 @ 16:17 - timothykiser ("timothykiser" <timothykiser@...>)
6766. RE: [BoundaryPoint] kaliningrad vs. EU
      Thanks, Timothy for the link. At the moment I am actually writing an article about Kaliningrad and Lithuania/EU. I can add that at the Baltic-Nordic prime
      Jun 22, 2002 @ 17:02 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <la9qca@...>)
6767. Re: Towns across borders
      Thanks for the 30-year update! ... nothing fancy ... side. If ... are posted ... The only ... on the ... on the ... stays up
      Jun 22, 2002 @ 23:41 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
6768. Re: Towns across borders
      I just pulled out my Manitoba road map, which has a Flin Flon detail map and you are right, the city limits of Flin Flon extend into Saskatchewan south of
      Jun 22, 2002 @ 23:47 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
6769. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
      Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File :
      Jun 25, 2002 @ 09:37 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com (BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com )
6770. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
      Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File :
      Jun 25, 2002 @ 10:00 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com (BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com )
6771. GEEBE sets sail!
      Seven brave boundary freaks from seven different countries will be meeting in Vienna in a couple of days before the official start of the Great Eastern
      Jun 27, 2002 @ 19:38 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
6772. Re: [BoundaryPoint] GEEBE sets sail!
      Magnificent Seven, I hope you all have a wonderfull time, with lots of borders, boundary stones, adventures and fun ! Drive carefully, come home safely, I ll
      Jun 27, 2002 @ 20:17 - JC.Deeleman ("JC.Deeleman" <deeleman@...>)
6773. Re: Towns across borders
      I ve driven through Nogales too, and I agree it has grown an awful lot and does take a while to get through it completely. However the official 2000 census of
      Jun 28, 2002 @ 07:39 - drpotatoes ("drpotatoes" <drpotatoes@...>)
6774. Re: [BoundaryPoint] GEEBE sets sail!
      You didn t mention the borderguards, borderqueues...... But do you know what is most thrilling?? The company of a bunch of real borderfreaks!! Finally
      Jun 28, 2002 @ 18:22 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
6775. For you tripoint freaks - CS-DDR-BRD photo
      I just posted to the photos library a photo from an obscure German booklet of the border markings at the tripoint between former German Democratic Republic,
      Jun 30, 2002 @ 04:30 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
6776. Re: For you tripoint freaks - CS-DDR-BRD photo
      ... Thank you. I actually lived close for a while, it was a destination for weekend trips now and then. The actual border run and location of the tripoint was
      Jun 30, 2002 @ 15:59 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <wolfi.junkmail@...>)
6777. Re: For you tripoint freaks - CS-DDR-BRD photo
      ... How did the fence along the DDR/BRD border come to an end? Was there any special fortification to stop anyone from crossing from the DDR to the BRD via a
      Jun 30, 2002 @ 16:34 - strataflorida ("strataflorida" <dbirch@...>)
6778. Re: For you tripoint freaks - CS-DDR-BRD photo
      Thanks, Len. Is the picture from the days that this was the actual tripoint? The picture hasn t been posted before, as far as I know. The tripoint has been
      Jun 30, 2002 @ 18:29 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6779. Re: For you tripoint freaks - CS-DDR-BRD photo
      http://mujweb.atlas.cz/www/CaCua/as_trojmezi.jpg ... Incredible. I made the same mistake as when I posted this link back then. Try
      Jun 30, 2002 @ 18:33 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6780. Re: For you tripoint freaks - CS-DDR-BRD photo
      Now, look again at, for example, http://www.muas.cz/html/info_server/de/historie.html And now at the picture at http://home.t-
      Jun 30, 2002 @ 18:53 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6781. Re: For you tripoint freaks - CS-DDR-BRD photo
      About the end of the fence , the text in the booklet says (roughly translated): From Prex (the town in the map south of the tripoint) there is no direction
      Jul 01, 2002 @ 00:37 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
6782. Re: For you tripoint freaks - CS-DDR-BRD photo
      ... destination ... the ... The fence was a wall there actually. It didn t end at the tripoint, but seemed to continue along the DDR/CZ border, presumably
      Jul 01, 2002 @ 06:59 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <wolfi.junkmail@...>)
6783. Re: Wanderlust enclaves article uploaded
      ... I ve just got round to reading this! It sent me back to two books on my shelves on which I would welcome more expert views: The Exclave Problem of
      Jul 03, 2002 @ 11:59 - ejthompsonuk ("ejthompsonuk" <ej.thompson@...>)
6784. adesfre once more
      I have posted before about the land exhange between Andorra and France, near the tripoint, who was agreed in order to build the new Envalira tunnel. As you
      Jul 03, 2002 @ 16:20 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
6785. Re: [BoundaryPoint] adesfre once more
      Thanks a lot, Marcel, for this nice piece of information. Reading the treaty, there are some things I find really interesting: In the 4th point of the 1st
      Jul 04, 2002 @ 11:04 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
6786. French-Andorran treaty again
      On an Andorran site (http://www.ua.es/centros/ciencias/ingenieriageologica/construccion/webs/d_envalira/tunel.html) there is a map of the territories to be
      Jul 04, 2002 @ 11:26 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
6787. Olivenca/Olivenza
      If you want to study the bordering conflict between Portugal and Spain, see: http://www.olivenca.org/litigio/index.html Regards Mário Rodrigues
      Jul 04, 2002 @ 22:05 - Mario Rodrigues (Mario Rodrigues <marioruisr@...>)
6788. ltplru
      Yesterday I visited ltplru - the position is 54° 21 47,8 22° 47 31,2 On the point are so far only a tripoint marker, a Polish and a Russian boundary
      Jul 09, 2002 @ 08:51 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <la9qca@...>)
6789. eurocity, tornio FI and haparanda SE
      http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_2115000/2115938.s tm found yet another related article on the bbc. enjoy! tim
      Jul 09, 2002 @ 14:38 - timothykiser ("timothykiser" <timothykiser@...>)
6790. GEEBE
      To all GEEBE members (and BoundaryPoint) GEEBE is well over and I have arrived home safely, Jesper
      Jul 09, 2002 @ 20:41 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6791. Where's Mike?
      I wondered why the volume of messages had tapered off and then I noticed that Mike Donner has not posted a message for over a month. Does anybody know where he
      Jul 10, 2002 @ 00:54 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
6792. Re: Where's Mike?
      Yes, his last message was a 6666 try . Hopefully he didn t get any bad ideas out of that, and hopefully he s not waiting until we reach 7777. Peter S. ...
      Jul 10, 2002 @ 06:59 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6793. Old German Boundary Marker
      On the border between Lithuania and Russia in the Lithuanian town of Vistytis, on the northern shore of Lake Vistytis we found remainings of a probably German
      Jul 10, 2002 @ 09:09 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <la9qca@qsl.net>)
6794. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Old German Boundary Marker
      It looks very much like a piece of rail to me (from a railway). Bochum might well be the place where the thing was made. Peter S. ...
      Jul 10, 2002 @ 09:16 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
6795. Re: Old German Boundary Marker
      Cf. http://www.kaufering.de/Geschichte/bahnhof/bahnhof.htm (2nd pic from the bottom). Peter S. ... Bochum ... of ... remainings ... the ... I am
      Jul 10, 2002 @ 09:33 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6796. ltplru tp
      As mentioned in yesterday s message it seems the ru bm is located inside lt. These two bms were marking the plsu boundary. But according to the ltru border
      Jul 10, 2002 @ 09:39 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <la9qca@qsl.net>)
6797. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Old German Boundary Marker
      It seems very likely you are right! Enclosed is a photo of the marker mentioned from the southern shore of Lake Vistytis. It was said it was destroyed by the
      Jul 10, 2002 @ 09:48 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <la9qca@qsl.net>)
6798. Re: Where's Mike?
      I hope it s just a matter of Mike temporarily being without Internet access. Bill ... month.
      Jul 10, 2002 @ 13:49 - bumpa50_1999 ("bumpa50_1999" <hanrahan@...>)
6799. Re: Old German Boundary Marker
      Hi Jan, in any case it seems unlikely that you ld find a 19th border marker near the current border, since it moved after WW1 (Treaty of Versailles), so it s
      Jul 10, 2002 @ 16:21 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <wolfi.junkmail@...>)
6800. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Old German Boundary Marker
      As far as I know, that boundary (i.e. the ltru one running from the north of ltplru to the Neman/Nemunas/Memel at Smalininkai/Schmalleningken, desu before WW2)
      Jul 10, 2002 @ 17:14 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
6801. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Old German Boundary Marker
      Hello Wolfi, Why do you think the border here moved after WW1? Of cource it moved north of the Nemunas (germ. Memel) river, but not here (see encl. German map
      Jul 10, 2002 @ 17:24 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <la9qca@qsl.net>)
6802. Re: Old German Boundary Marker
      Just for the record the German boundaries acc. to Versailles at http://history.acusd.edu/gen/text/versaillestreaty/ver027.html : Art. 28, this part:
      Jul 10, 2002 @ 18:24 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6803. Re: Old German Boundary Marker
      Hi Jan, ... I didn t pay attention to the fact that the Memel area starts further North. My error. ... I guess the wording depends on the political views one
      Jul 10, 2002 @ 18:26 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <wolfi.junkmail@...>)
6804. Re: Olivenca/Olivenza
      I ve come by this Olivenza thing a couple of times now, and it is an interesting case. Still, it doesn t seem to play a big role in international politics,
      Jul 10, 2002 @ 18:58 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6805. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Olivenca/Olivenza
      Cf. also http://libro.uca.edu/stanislawski/Chap14.htm . In my old 1927 Dutch atlas, there are three parts of the espt boundary in dispute (though not Olivenza,
      Jul 10, 2002 @ 19:04 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
6806. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Old German Boundary Marker
      Hi Wolfi, Just after the first free election since the WWII the Supreme Soviet of the Lithuanian parliament late in the evening on the 11th March 1990 (btw on
      Jul 10, 2002 @ 19:22 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <la9qca@...>)
6807. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Old German Boundary Marker
      Jan S. Krogh wrote: (...)Most Western countries never accepted the Soviet occupation, neither did Norway. (...) Shame on the Netherlands. They _did_ accept
      Jul 10, 2002 @ 19:38 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
6808. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Old German Boundary Marker
      Peter S., You are right, understood and the Netherlands are hereby forgiven ;-) The situation from March 11th 1990 until Aug 1991 was very strange. Jeltsin s
      Jul 10, 2002 @ 20:20 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <la9qca@...>)
6809. Re: Where's Mike?
      i could stop using capitalization and punctuation until he gets back if you like mike ... month.
      Jul 11, 2002 @ 03:51 - mls515.rm ("mls515.rm" <mls515@...>)
6810. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Where's Mike?
      hahahaha hard swallowing here unpunctologically mike j
      Jul 11, 2002 @ 06:35 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <la9qca@...>)
6811. Re: Where's Mike?
      Unfortunately that sounds unlikely. BJB
      Jul 11, 2002 @ 12:43 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
6812. Perejil
      Just heard on the radio: Morocco has occupied Perejil, the island just around the corner from Ceuta. Spain has sent two war ships. Peter S.
      Jul 12, 2002 @ 10:05 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6813. Imia, was Re: Perejil
      ... That reminds me of the Imia incident (Turkish - Greek conflict) of 1997, IIRC. Has the group discussed Imia before? Imia is an uninhabitad island in the
      Jul 12, 2002 @ 11:05 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <wolfi.junkmail@...>)
6814. Re: Perejil
      In case you re wondering where this island is: http://personal4.iddeo.es/alhadra/mapamusa.jpg BTW, the island has been discussed before here at BP. Peter S. PS
      Jul 12, 2002 @ 12:32 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6816. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Document.cookie #### WARNING VIRUS ########
      Warning: Don t open the attatchment of the e-mail: it contains a virus !!!!!! gl Harry ten Veen ... From: doug To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday,
      Jul 12, 2002 @ 18:52 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
6817. Re: Document.cookie #### WARNING VIRUS ########
      Thanks Harry...that message has been deleted. Bill
      Jul 12, 2002 @ 19:16 - bumpa50_1999 ("bumpa50_1999" <hanrahan@...>)
6818. To all: visiting Sankova-Medvezhe
      Everyone: I ve just received a query from an American traveller who is planning to go to Belarus this year, and is also hoping to visit the Sankova- Medvezhe
      Jul 12, 2002 @ 22:03 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
6819. Re: To all: visiting Sankovo-Medvezhe
      None whatsoever. It s very difficult to find anything about San kovo/Medvezhe on the internet. The only Russian site that mentions it is a government site
      Jul 13, 2002 @ 12:37 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6820. Re: To all: visiting Sankovo-Medvezhe
      I ve found that government document again (for those that can read Russian: http://www.akdi.ru/econom/nalog/666.htm ). The two villages are included in the
      Jul 13, 2002 @ 12:54 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6821. Re: Perejil
      ... thanks peter, here s a related article from the bbc. tim http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_2124000/2124418.s tm
      Jul 13, 2002 @ 13:19 - timothykiser ("timothykiser" <timothykiser@...>)
6822. Re: To all: visiting Sankovo-Medvezhe
      ... Hmmm. I m embarrassed to see from my various files that I ve been using the o and a endings more or less at random, without ever noticing the
      Jul 13, 2002 @ 17:05 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
6823. Re: To all: visiting Sankovo-Medvezhe
      The endings -ov and -ovo are frequently used in Russian place names. They all originate from possessive adjectives of a sort that are hardly productive anymore
      Jul 13, 2002 @ 17:51 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6824. Fw: Perejil - Spain vows to get island back from Morocco by 'civilized' means
      Perejil - Spain vows to get island back from Morocco by civilized means ... From: Yahoo! Alerts - News To: doug@dougmurrayproductions.com Sent: Sunday, July
      Jul 14, 2002 @ 17:55 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
6825. happy GEEBE border freaks
      I got this email from our Hungarian border mate Tamás - it s quite a nice picture, isn t it?? Taken at tp HuSkUa on July 5 ! Regards to all of you - and to
      Jul 15, 2002 @ 21:10 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
6826. Re: happy GEEBE border freaks
      Greetings All! Wow... great photos from Tamas! We sure had good weather (unlike the somewhat damp GCEBE). I just dropped mine off -- 18 rolls in all. Of
      Jul 15, 2002 @ 22:39 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
6827. more spain vs. morocco
      here s the bbc s latest on the spain/morocco standoff. tim http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_2131000/2131636.s tm
      Jul 16, 2002 @ 20:28 - timothykiser ("timothykiser" <timothykiser@...>)
6828. Interesting link Spain/Morocco disputed islands
      Now when the spanish/Morocco conflict is focused on Isla Perejil, I ve found a new site about three more disputed islands. It was discussed here, but this site
      Jul 16, 2002 @ 20:39 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
6829. Re: Interesting link Spain/Morocco disputed islands
      Thanks again, Marcel! A nice site, and although these other islands are not new to me, it is only the second time that I read about the islands Tierra and Mar
      Jul 17, 2002 @ 09:10 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6830. Tierra & Mar
      I ve found a map in a book about the Spanish possessions on/off the Moroccan coast (Robert Rézette, Les Enclaves Espagnoles au Maroc, Nouvelles Éditions
      Jul 17, 2002 @ 14:30 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
6831. Re: Tierra & Mar
      Nice map Peter. ... My comment about the sea storm on 1934 was only according the web I ve posted. Could you post the map? On msg 1903 Arif doubted about the
      Jul 17, 2002 @ 17:17 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
6832. Re: Interesting link Spain/Morocco disputed islands
      A while back I e-mailed the Spanish tourist authority, asking if it was possible to visit Penon de Velez de la Gomera, Penon de Alhucemas and/or the
      Jul 17, 2002 @ 18:05 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
6833. Re: Interesting link Spain/Morocco disputed islands
      It seems to be accessible: BADES A 50 km environ de la ville en allant vers l’ouest, et face au penôn de BADES, se trouve la plage de BADES qui s’étend
      Jul 17, 2002 @ 20:40 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
6834. Peñón de Vélez de la Gomera
      The map from the book (not that it adds anything, I m afraid) is attached. Peter S. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo!
      Jul 17, 2002 @ 21:28 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
6835. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Interesting link Spain/Morocco disputed islands
      Though I did doubt that the islands shown are Tierra and Mar, I am considering switching to the idea that those two islands shown are Tierra and Mar, as I have
      Jul 18, 2002 @ 02:39 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
6836. India's piece of Denmark
      seems that i learned something today. thanks to a 1952 national geographic map, i was aware of long-standing portuguese and french colonies but never heard of
      Jul 18, 2002 @ 12:45 - timothykiser ("timothykiser" <timothykiser@...>)
6837. Re: [BoundaryPoint] India's piece of Denmark
      I come close to being an expert on the subject of colonies in India. Just to give you some information on the French and Portuguese colonies, all of them
      Jul 19, 2002 @ 02:22 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
6838. Perejil as you have never seen it before...
      This reminds me of the Falklands war reports. The expression A storm in a teacup given another new dimension. Click on Pulse para comenzar , and follow the
      Jul 19, 2002 @ 22:57 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
6839. Re: Interesting link Spain/Morocco disputed islands
      ... Interesting, but unfortunately I don t read Spanish good enough. What do the pages say on the status of the Chafarinas and the two peninsulas? Are they
      Jul 20, 2002 @ 08:20 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <wolfi.junkmail@...>)
6840. Re: Perejil as you have never seen it before...
      ... the ... But it s a nice piece of Flash artwork :) I like the bit when it zooms into the island. Honestly, the map is really helpful. I thought Perejil was
      Jul 20, 2002 @ 08:24 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <wolfi.junkmail@...>)
6841. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Perejil as you have never seen it before...
      Has anyone done a Spain-Marocco border expedition? Is the fence the neutral-Spain border or the Maroc-neutral or in between? Are they both clear on the ground?
      Jul 20, 2002 @ 14:39 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6842. Morocco "invasion" of Med islet
      I just posted an illustration of an article from the Washington Post from today (20Jul02) in the group s files, about the recent incident that gave rise to the
      Jul 20, 2002 @ 18:15 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
6843. Info for BC-ID-WA and BC-ID-MT tri-points?
      Hello. I may have the opportunity to try and visit the British Columbia/Idaho/Washington tri-point and the British Columbia/Idaho/Montana tri-point. Brian
      Jul 20, 2002 @ 19:04 - canadadcp ("canadadcp" <dpatton@...>)
6844. Time zone border
      On GEEBE we we pleased to experience passing time zone borders by foot but never saw any time zone signs. Searching the net I also found one time zone sign:
      Feb 20, 2002 @ 20:50 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6845. GEEBE photo
      Here is my first GEEBE photo for BP. Tripoint HUROYU, my favourite tp so far. HU is behind the monument, YU to the left front, and RO to the right front. This
      Jul 20, 2002 @ 19:54 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
6846. Re: Info for BC-ID-WA and BC-ID-MT tri-points?
      I ll be very interested in the results of your attempts. I am planning a major excursion for next summer that will involve attempts on these points. Please
      Jul 20, 2002 @ 20:03 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
6847. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Time zone border
      Here is another one: http://www.abc.net.au/bloke/2001/journ/photos-week2.htm J ... From: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent:
      Jul 20, 2002 @ 20:28 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6848. GEEBE tripoints
      Please enjoy the collection of the GEEBE tripoints. http://www.geocities.com/graenser/geebe/tripoints.htm This should wake m donner up. Jesper
      Jul 20, 2002 @ 23:41 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6849. Re: Time zone border
      That s interesting! Turn back clocks 45 min In the middle of Australia? I hadn t previously known about that time zone. A couple of time zones just in
      Jul 21, 2002 @ 11:57 - anton_zeilinger ("anton_zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
6850. Re: India's piece of Denmark
      Hi, Although you will probably know it, an interesting site is: http://www.mapsofindia.com/maps/india/india-political-map.htm which has LOTS of maps about
      Jul 21, 2002 @ 12:02 - anton_zeilinger ("anton_zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
6851. Re: Morocco "invasion" of Med islet
      Island of Lobos situation: http://www.elperiodico.es/EDICION/ED020720/CAT/CARP01/PDF/pag015.pdf Marcel ...
      Jul 21, 2002 @ 12:36 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
6852. Re: Time zone border
      ... I don t get that either. According to any time zone maps I find, Australia is in the time zones GMT+7, GMT+8:30, GMT+9.
      Jul 21, 2002 @ 14:30 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <wolfi.junkmail@...>)
6853. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Time zone border
      If you take a look at the Summer Time Zone map, it seems that one can (theoretically) go west from Queensland to South Australia and go AHEAD a half-hour. ...
      Jul 21, 2002 @ 15:02 - Asher Samuels (Asher Samuels <asher972@...>)
6854. Re: [BoundaryPoint] GEEBE tripoints
      Hi Jesp I intend to link to this site form my web-site. But I saw that the title of the page is gcebe 2001 , so when copuing the page you did not alter the
      Jul 21, 2002 @ 15:25 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
6855. Re: [BoundaryPoint] GEEBE tripoints
      Oeps, I am very sorry Jesper; please excuse me. I intended to send this e-mail to you in person. As you can see I forgot to change the address in the reply.
      Jul 21, 2002 @ 17:03 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
6856. Re: Time zone border
      And here s one that solves the problem of being on the spot where all time zones come together...
      Jul 21, 2002 @ 21:09 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6857. Re: Time zone border
      But seriously, it seems that the local time there is GMT+1200. The Universal time is for the dark sector, the place where all the stargazers (i.e. astronomers)
      Jul 21, 2002 @ 21:36 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6858. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: topomaps covering Hungarian tripoints
      http://www.zpok.hu/~utf/hunlap.html is neither hue or huroua. the wooden monument is placed by the blue arrow on the attached map. Jesper ... From: ps1966nl
      Feb 22, 2002 @ 18:59 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
6859. message 7777 try
      whooops & on the 7th maxi mega multi message i rested mmmm er not even close this time but thanxxxx everyone for all your good intentions & for being playful
      Jul 22, 2002 @ 20:51 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
6860. News story: Tighter security on US-CA border
      More security on the world s longest undefended border: http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2002/07/23/border_banff020723 Doug
      Jul 23, 2002 @ 14:34 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@...>)
6861. Re: the elusive frgbnl et al -> Toèka/Taèka T5
      I d like to take up the hrsi maritime boundary discussion, which more or less bogged down because of lack of official confirmation of the situation (and, I
      Jul 23, 2002 @ 18:04 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6862. Re: Perejil as you have... -> esma border at Ceuta
      Jesper Nielsen wrote: Has anyone done a Spain-Marocco border expedition? Is the fence the neutral-Spain border or the Maroc-neutral or in between? Are they
      Jul 24, 2002 @ 08:11 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6863. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Perejil as you have... -> esma border at Ceuta
      Thanks for these great illustrations. So these houses just accross the neutral border fence, belongs to Morocco? Jesper ... From: ps1966nl To:
      Jul 24, 2002 @ 19:15 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6864. Re: Perejil as you have... -> esma border at Ceuta
      Jesper Nielsen wrote: So these houses just accross the neutral border fence, belongs to Morocco? I don t know. Maybe Morocco respects the neutral zone here
      Jul 24, 2002 @ 19:39 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6865. Re: message 7777 try
      Welcome back Mike...glad all is well. Bill
      Jul 24, 2002 @ 21:01 - bumpa50_1999 ("bumpa50_1999" <hanrahan@...>)
6866. WA time zone 2
      The second WA time zone is an unofficial local zone. I am surprised they have official looking signs announcing it, but as that will affect whether the very
      Jul 25, 2002 @ 04:19 - b.whyte@pgrad.unimelb.edu.au (b.whyte@...)
6867. Re: WA time zone 2
      b.whyte wrote: The second WA time zone is an unofficial local zone. (...) Apparently Border Village (SA) is on this time, too. In
      Jul 25, 2002 @ 10:28 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6868. Re: Perejil as you have... -> esma border at Ceuta
      ... After the 1860 s war, there were some treaties between Spain and Morocco, called the Wad-Ras Peace . I ve found the Melilla s treaty that established the
      Jul 25, 2002 @ 13:09 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
6869. Re: Perejil as you have... -> esma border at Ceuta
      Marcel wrote: After the 1860 s war, there were some treaties between Spain and Morocco, called the Wad-Ras Peace . I ve found the Melilla s treaty that
      Jul 25, 2002 @ 13:40 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6870. Re: Perejil as you have... -> esma border at Ceuta
      ... Cannon used to be named by the weight of the iron roundshot they fired, and these went up in 4-pound intervals. In sailing ships of the early nineteenth
      Jul 25, 2002 @ 17:54 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
6871. Re: Perejil as you have... -> esma border at Ceuta
      Grant wrote: Cannon used to be named by the weight of the iron roundshot they fired, and these went up in 4-pound intervals. In sailing ships of the early
      Jul 25, 2002 @ 18:53 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6872. Looking for USSR border post photo
      I ve been searching for a picture of a USSR border marker, with no luck. Does anyone know where I might find one? While one the GEEBE, I noticed that some
      Jul 29, 2002 @ 06:55 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
6873. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Looking for USSR border post photo
      A USSR border marker is basically the same, only the colours are red and green, and bears the coat-of-arms of the Soviet Union. The russian border marker has
      Jul 29, 2002 @ 08:36 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
6874. Re: Looking for USSR border post photo
      This is a bit better: http://www.specialoperations.com/Foreign/Norway/Borderguards/Grensekom paniet_Photos1.htm (The Norwegian Border Guard in action) And here
      Jul 29, 2002 @ 08:54 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6875. Is any part of Peru North of the Equator?
      While looking at a (low-resolution) map of Peru recently, I noticed that it s northernmost point - at its border with Colombia, and very near the
      Jul 29, 2002 @ 09:03 - Ross Finlayson (Ross Finlayson <finlayson@...>)
6876. Re: Perejil as you have... -> esma border at Ceuta
      I completely forgot the url: http://www.mcu.es/lab/archivos/mediterraneo/01cartografia/foto11.htm Peter S. ... must ... (1.6km) - ... the ... But ... 1891, ...
      Jul 29, 2002 @ 12:22 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6877. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Is any part of Peru North of the Equator?
      ... This is an interesting question, which I was asking myself for more than 30 years, since, in school, we should make a list of all countries on the equator
      Jul 29, 2002 @ 18:15 - Manfred Haertel (Manfred Haertel <Manfred.Haertel@...>)
6878. Re: Is any part of Peru North of the Equator?
      ... Interesting bit of border. All the maps I have show the Peru-Colombia border following the Putumayo River all the way to the tripoint, which is in the
      Jul 29, 2002 @ 17:56 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@blueyonder.co.uk>)
6879. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Is any part of Peru North of the Equator?
      ... From: Manfred Haertel To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Is any part of Peru North of the
      Jul 29, 2002 @ 19:07 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@aaahawk.com>)
6880. Re: Is any part of Peru North of the Equator?
      Grant wrote: (...)The interesting bit started when I looked in Biger, who has a rather different run for the border, albeit farther south. I ve attached a bmp
      Jul 29, 2002 @ 21:07 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6881. Re: Is any part of Peru North of the Equator?
      The location of the boundary markers along the Güep(p)í is mentioned at http://www.congreso.gob.pe/libro1/2avolum/actas/clausura.htm (the delimitation
      Jul 29, 2002 @ 21:30 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6882. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Looking for USSR border post photo
      Great photos -- thanks a lot! Do you have any more great links?! Doug ... From: ps1966nl To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 1:54 AM
      Jul 30, 2002 @ 02:38 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
6883. Re: Looking for USSR border post photo
      Well, they don t grow on trees... But here are another couple of pictures: http://land.salzburg.at/rottens/beko14_.jpg (plru near Mamonovo)
      Jul 30, 2002 @ 09:48 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6884. Re: Looking for USSR border post photo
      Here s another one (on firu): http://194.89.205.3/raja/ (click on a language). Peter S.
      Jul 30, 2002 @ 12:17 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6885. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Looking for USSR border post photo
      Thanks again Peter! When I asked for more, I meant any border pictures -- I m surprised you came up with more Russian ones. Good work. Doug ... From: ps1966nl
      Jul 30, 2002 @ 15:27 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
6892. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Is any part of Peru North of the Equator?
      The most extreme north point in Peru is the thalweg of Putumayo River, 00º01 48,0 southern latitude, 75º10 29,0 western long, which is located in the
      Jul 31, 2002 @ 04:16 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6893. Tiwinza
      Some links about the Ecuadorian square kilometre inside Peru. As you may know, this is a virtual enclave Arif-style, being owned by the Ecuadorian state, but
      Jul 31, 2002 @ 08:06 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
6894. Bering sea
      A nice map of the Donut hole (the high seas exclave in the Bering sea) can be seen at http://mfproducts.nos.noaa.gov/images/charts/513_1.gif . Some
      Jul 31, 2002 @ 13:20 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
6895. Re: Bering sea
      ... I think this map shows only the US borders, and not the whole hole. The line marked USSR/USA is the line of the 1867 treaty, drawn up before 200nm limits -
      Jul 31, 2002 @ 17:14 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
6896. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bering sea
      Grant wrote: I think this map shows only the US borders, and not the whole hole. The line marked USSR/USA is the line of the 1867 treaty, drawn up before 200nm
      Jul 31, 2002 @ 17:35 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
6897. Indo-Bangladeshi enclaves
      A couple of comments on the recently-posted enclave article ... Rangpur (not Rongpur) is in north Bengal, not south Bengal! Because it fell entirely to
      Aug 01, 2002 @ 01:34 - b.whyte@pgrad.unimelb.edu.au (b.whyte@...)
6898. Demarcation of international borderlines (paper in .pdf format)
      Demarcation of international borderlines (paper in .pdf format): www.fig.net/figtree/pub/fig_2002/ Js20/JS20_schroth_arnold.pdf
      Aug 01, 2002 @ 12:09 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
6899. Virtual reality border panoramas
      Virtual reality border panoramas: http://www.virtualguidebooks.com/ThematicLists/Boundaries.html
      Aug 01, 2002 @ 12:19 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
6900. Re: Bering sea
      I came across a very interesting article, alas in Russian (for the benifit of those who read Russian: http://karty.narod.ru/claim/rfus/rfus.html ). As part of
      Aug 01, 2002 @ 12:38 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6901. RE: Looking for info on Bhutanese enclaves in Tibet
      ... I m not sure, but if you go to the message 6154, thre s a link to a large pdf file, a french thesis about boundaries where I think there are several
      Aug 01, 2002 @ 12:49 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
6902. Re: Looking for info on Bhutanese enclaves in Tibet
      In that thesis, the following is mentioned: La frontière court à mi-pente du Chomo Lhari, sur ses flancs= sud puis est. Au nord du sommet, elle prend une
      Aug 01, 2002 @ 13:14 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6903. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Looking for info on Bhutanese enclaves in Tibet
      That looked awful. Let me try again: La frontière court à mi-pente du Chomo Lhari, sur ses flancs sud puis est. Au nord du sommet, elle prend une direction
      Aug 01, 2002 @ 13:33 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
6904. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Demarcation of international borderlines (paper in .pdf format)
      Link i bad. contains spaces. Jesper ... From: Bill Hanrahan To: BoundaryPoint Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:09 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Demarcation of
      Aug 01, 2002 @ 21:10 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6905. Re: Bering sea
      ... important ... part ... Prescott shows an area of continental shelf extending beyond the 200nm EEZ in the Barents Sea - it forms a rim along the NE edge of
      Aug 01, 2002 @ 23:12 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
6906. Re: Demarcation of international borderlines (paper in .pdf format)
      ... Cut and paste without the space (after fig_2002/) and it works fine. Here s an attempt to post the working link, if Yahoo doesn t decide to split it:
      Aug 01, 2002 @ 23:15 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
6907. Re: Demarcation of international borderlines (paper in .pdf format)
      ... Aargh. But it didn t make a clickable link! Maybe this time ... Grant
      Aug 01, 2002 @ 23:21 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
6908. Bhutanese enclaves in Tibet
      See also the 1950 book Exploration in Tibet by Swami Pranavananda, published in Calcutta, by the University of Calcutta -- b.whyte@pgrad.unimelb.edu.au
      Aug 02, 2002 @ 01:08 - b.whyte@pgrad.unimelb.edu.au (b.whyte@...)
6909. China-Vietnam border markers
      ... Vietnam, China Continues Border Marking ... [CND, 07/28/02] The third marker stone on the newly agreed border between China and Vietnam was laid on Friday
      Aug 02, 2002 @ 06:33 - b.whyte@pgrad.unimelb.edu.au (b.whyte@...)
6910. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bering sea
      Thanks, Grant. It was all due to my misconception of the definition of continental shelf . I wasn t aware of the fact that the continental slope was part of
      Aug 02, 2002 @ 06:38 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
6911. News story: Croatia - Yugoslavia border
      Croatian prime minister calls on Yugoslavia to remove army from the border Thu Aug 1,11:05 AM ET ZAGREB, Croatia - Following a weekend incident in which the
      Aug 02, 2002 @ 06:43 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@...>)
6912. Unknown Spanish provincial enclave
      Could someone shed some light on the small enclave that can be seen on some maps just south-east of the city of Cardona in Barcelona province? I have already
      Aug 02, 2002 @ 08:24 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
6913. Berlin maps
      Hello there, i am looking for good scans of berlin maps before 1990. I am trying to get them on the internet but it is very hard. Maybe anyone of you has some.
      Aug 02, 2002 @ 08:56 - pho_tek ("pho_tek" <pho_tek@...>)
6914. Re: Berlin maps
      Have a look here: http://www.berliner-mauer.de/karten-archiv/kartenarchiv.htm Peter S. ... 1990. ... to
      Aug 02, 2002 @ 09:11 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6915. Re: karki
      Bye the way, Kärki is now named Tigranashed and is populated by Armenian refugees from Azerbaijan. In fact all enclaves of both countries seem to be occupied.
      Aug 02, 2002 @ 09:19 - pho_tek ("pho_tek" <pho_tek@...>)
6916. Re: karki
      pho_tek wrote: Bye the way, Kärki is now named Tigranashed and is populated by Armenian refugees from Azerbaijan. (...) A small correction: it is
      Aug 02, 2002 @ 10:26 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6917. India/Bangladesh enclaves again
      http://www.pscw.uva.nl/asia/pdf/vanschendel01.pdf (Of course Brendan is mentioned) Peter S. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?
      Aug 02, 2002 @ 10:42 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
6918. RE: Unknown Spanish provincial enclave
      ... Yes, it still exists. There many provincial enclaves, only in Catalonia there are four: - Malagarriga. It s an enclave of Lleida province into Barcelona.
      Aug 02, 2002 @ 13:19 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@navegalia.com>)
6919. Re: [BoundaryPoint] RE: Unknown Spanish provincial enclave
      Great stuff, Marcel. Thanks again. And guess what: I ve just found an old excel sheet which I made a couple of years ago, when I was working for a company that
      Aug 02, 2002 @ 14:47 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
6920. Re: Bering sea
      ... Yes, continental margin seems to be the phrase of choice, to avoid confusion. Cribbing from Prescott again, there are two definitions of the edge of the
      Aug 02, 2002 @ 15:14 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
6921. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bering sea
      Grant wrote: (...) 1) A boundary may be drawn not more than 60nm seawards of the foot of the continental slope. (Simple!) 2) A boundary may be drawn between
      Aug 02, 2002 @ 16:40 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
6922. Re: karki
      ... You are right, I was typing incorrect. I made a small study of all the enclaves and even informed with some local Armenian Human Rights Groups. The Azeri
      Aug 02, 2002 @ 19:40 - pho_tek ("pho_tek" <pho_tek@...>)
6923. Re: [BoundaryPoint] RE: Unknown Spanish provincial enclave
      ... It seems to be an accurate list. I will check the list when I could consult on the library the book of spanish enclaves ( I don t own it: it s nice
      Aug 02, 2002 @ 21:13 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
6924. Re: Berlin maps
      Hi Stefan, ... 1990. ... I posted some as attachments, see msg 6622 and 6642. If you could name what exactly it is you want (overviews, specific parts of the
      Aug 02, 2002 @ 22:24 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <wolfi.junkmail@...>)
6926. Piney Pinecreek cross border (caus) airport
      http://www.ccco.net/piney/airport.htm
      Aug 03, 2002 @ 13:44 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@kua.net>)
6927. dktp2 complete
      Just bought myself a vehicle, and thus completed (as the first) all Danish county tripoints: http://home.worldonline.dk/jesniel/border/amttp/amttp.htm I am
      Aug 03, 2002 @ 15:04 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6928. Re: Berlin maps
      ... Thanks for the offer. I am actually looking for detailed maps on the innercity border between checkpoint charlie and Sonnenallee. The online berlinwall
      Aug 03, 2002 @ 16:04 - pho_tek ("pho_tek" <pho_tek@...>)
6929. Re: Berlin maps
      ... The link posted by Peter shows excerpts of a map printed exclusively for the East German military. It s the only map I m aware of which shows the actual
      Aug 03, 2002 @ 16:55 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <wolfi.junkmail@...>)
6930. Re: Looking for info on Bhutanese enclaves in Tibet
      The French article seemd to be speaking about exclaves that were not entirely Bhutanese (maybe Nepalese) because the names in the articles do not match, for
      Aug 03, 2002 @ 20:45 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
6931. Finland-Russia border vista
      Not sure if this one has been submitted yet...
      Aug 03, 2002 @ 23:15 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@kua.net>)
6932. Re: Berlin maps
      Thanks for the tip. I have informed what they charge for the maps (I assume they re sold individually). They sell photo s aswell but for very high prices! Most
      Aug 04, 2002 @ 12:52 - pho_tek ("pho_tek" <pho_tek@...>)
6933. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Finland-Russia border vista
      How took the picture? Seems like good ole Soviet got their will everywhere with all neighrbours regading their border demarcation, always twin markers. Jesper
      Aug 04, 2002 @ 16:41 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6934. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Berlin maps
      Hi Stefan, I have a pre-1989 Falk Plan (1985). Interested in scans? Bernhard
      Aug 04, 2002 @ 17:21 - Bernhard Lurssen (Bernhard Lurssen <tardis@...-net.de>)
6935. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Finland-Russia border vista
      Jesper, Unfortunately I misplaced the URL that photo came from... Bill ... From: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen [mailto:jesniel@image.dk] Sent: Sunday, August
      Aug 04, 2002 @ 19:09 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
6936. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Finland-Russia border vista
      OK, I found it! Here s the URL: http://manila.djh.dk/finland/stories/storyreader$9 Bill ... From: Bill Hanrahan [mailto:hanrahan@kua.net] Sent: Sunday, August
      Aug 04, 2002 @ 19:28 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
6937. Re: Berlin maps - (and Belgian Enclave News)
      ... Yes, absolutely! I have a bid on ebay.de on a 1987 Falk Plan but I am not sure if i get it for a good price. I am trying to get DDR- military maps from
      Aug 04, 2002 @ 19:49 - pho_tek ("pho_tek" <pho_tek@...>)
6938. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Berlin maps - (and Belgian Enclave News)
      Silly question, Stefan. We are dying to see these photos... Jesper PS: I will be photographing some of the less known Belgian (Baarle- Hertog) enclaves
      Aug 04, 2002 @ 19:51 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6939. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Berlin maps - (and Belgian Enclave News)
      Hi Stefan, what exactly do you need scanned? Which Falk Plan squares? When do you go to Baarle? Sometime soon? Bernhard
      Aug 04, 2002 @ 20:21 - Bernhard Lurssen (Bernhard Lurssen <tardis@...-net.de>)
6940. For those of you in Germany (surname question)
      can any of you look around your phone books and find out how common or uncommon the surname Zelmer is?
      Aug 04, 2002 @ 20:58 - zoommedix ("zoommedix" <zoomer@...>)
6941. Dubinsky Russia???
      Hi all looking for some European help on this one, and since a lot of you are well travelled individuals........... Grand mother immigrated to canada through
      Aug 04, 2002 @ 21:03 - zoommedix ("zoommedix" <zoomer@...>)
6942. Re: Bering sea
      Peter wrote: What about the Bering sea? When I look at that Russian map, even the continental slope + 60 nm line is, for the biggest part, nearer to the
      Aug 05, 2002 @ 07:46 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6943. Re: Berlin maps - (and Belgian Enclave News)
      ... am ... Concerning maps I don t really like Falk Plans :). The folding is practical OK, but the details leave to be desired. The problem is that the scale
      Aug 05, 2002 @ 08:31 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <wolfi.junkmail@...>)
6944. Re: For those of you in Germany (surname question)
      ... You can do that yourself: http://www.telefonbuch.de/ Regards
      Aug 05, 2002 @ 08:32 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <wolfi.junkmail@...>)
6945. Promised... bede2linwrp
      I ve promised to post these a long time ago, so here they are. I ve added the boundaries myself. A map of the area:
      Aug 05, 2002 @ 09:14 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
6946. Some other stuff
      Old bedelu once more, and the Roetgen station enclave gap (three separate parts of Germany plus Belgium on one picture). A little map (I m standing at the
      Aug 05, 2002 @ 09:27 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
6947. Border fun in the Basque Country - I
      The maltreated boundaries of the Basque Country 1. The boundary between the Basque province of Araba (Álava in Spanish) and the Castilian province of Burgos
      Aug 05, 2002 @ 10:18 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
6948. Border fun in the Basque Country - II
      The maltreated boundaries of the Basque Country - 2 3. Yes, the old stone is on the border! I suspect that the white line across the road is it!! 4. This must
      Aug 05, 2002 @ 10:20 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
6949. FINOSE and next of kin
      I always thought of FINOSE (see for ex. http://iason.zcu.cz/~lederbuc/bike/scandinavia/photo/09/img0006.jpg ) as a unique monument, but it looks like there are
      Aug 06, 2002 @ 12:10 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
6950. historical maps of germany (many enclaves)
      http://www.hoeckmann.de/deutschland/ you will find many maps of germany at the end of the 18th century and nearby countries. bye, chris
      Aug 06, 2002 @ 12:23 - chris ("chris" <wertkauf@...>)
6951. Re: Finland-Russia border vista
      Just because we like them so much: More FIRU fun at the Finnish Border Guard s Lapland Brigade website: http://forum.inet.fi/lapinraja/1_1_1.htm
      Aug 06, 2002 @ 13:01 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6952. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Finland-Russia border vista
      Nice photos. Now -- if we only new someone who spoke Finnish to translate... hmmm... Rolf? Doug ... From: ps1966nl To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent:
      Aug 06, 2002 @ 16:22 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
6953. Re: [BoundaryPoint] FINOSE and next of kin + PLSKUACA
      Peter -- The last link reminded me of a quadripoint I found whilst on the GEEBE: PLSKUA+CA Doug ... From: Peter Smaardijk To: BoundaryPoint Sent: Tuesday,
      Aug 06, 2002 @ 16:32 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
6954. Re: [BoundaryPoint] FINOSE and next of kin + PLSKUACA
      Yes... that same defiant look is there... Like putting a flag on the moon... Peter S. ... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?
      Aug 06, 2002 @ 19:20 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
6955. Re: [BoundaryPoint] FINOSE and next of kin + PLSKUACA
      Actually, that s the look of exhaustion. It was one heck of a hike to get there. Looking at the picture, I think I lost 50 kilos. And gained a quadrapoint!
      Aug 06, 2002 @ 19:28 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
6956. Re: Berlin maps - (and Belgian Enclave News)
      ... I agree with the other messagesender that Falk Plan is not really good but i did not see alternatives. The RV-stadt atlas seems interesting (everything
      Aug 06, 2002 @ 20:03 - pho_tek ("pho_tek" <pho_tek@...>)
6957. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Berlin maps - (and Belgian Enclave News)
      ... Berlin so this ... this is daylight ... not even ... I have had the same experience with Mr Koch. Does anyone know the legal basis of asking this kind of
      Aug 06, 2002 @ 20:26 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
6958. EE & LV boundary markers
      Estonian and Latvian boundary markers look very much the same: a round black&white pole with a white cube on top, on which the coat-of-arms is depicted. Same
      Aug 06, 2002 @ 20:42 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
6959. Re: Finland-Russia border vista
      OK, this is the last one - promised! http://www.kauhajoki.fi/~johkar/puitsi/photos2.htm , 3rd photo. How s that for a vista? Peter S.
      Aug 06, 2002 @ 21:14 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6960. RE: translation--Finland-Russia border vista
      Hi Doug and others, I speak Finnish, so I ll take a stab at translating the information on the sites Peter S. forwarded. Here s the short paragraph from the
      Aug 06, 2002 @ 21:19 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
6961. Re: [BoundaryPoint] RE: translation--Finland-Russia border vista
      RE: translation--Finland-Russia border vistaHey Dallen! We haven t seen your words for a long time. Good to hear from you again! Doug ... From: Dallen Timothy
      Aug 06, 2002 @ 21:27 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
6962. Re: Berlin maps - (and Belgian Enclave News)
      ... The RV-stadt atlas seems ... I have most of the exclave areas and border formed by the wall that I have scanned from a variety of maps I got from the
      Aug 06, 2002 @ 22:34 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
6963. RE: translation--Finland-Russia border vista
      Yes, I ve been working on some major projects that have my 6am-1am attention. I should be freed up a bit to participate more in the next two months. Here s the
      Aug 06, 2002 @ 23:39 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
6964. Wales and England border question
      I got my few slides back of the N-S Korea border area--the few I could sneak when military guards and tour guides weren t looking! I ll try to post them soon
      Aug 06, 2002 @ 23:48 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
6965. Re: Berlin maps - (and Belgian Enclave News)
      ... Sorry about that, I own several. It sounded you want to buy a used one, so I didn t offer to scan it right away. Just tell me what squares and what year
      Aug 07, 2002 @ 00:34 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <wolfi.junkmail@...>)
6966. Re: Berlin maps - (and Belgian Enclave News)
      ... I seem to remember TV documentaries about him. If memory serves, he used to be the cartographer who made these maps, when he worked for the border guards.
      Aug 07, 2002 @ 00:51 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <wolfi.junkmail@...>)
6967. Polish border issues [1]: ARD Morgenmagazin
      (Technical note: this message uses the ISO 8859-2 character set to correctly represent the Polish names. For those of you who can t read this, Polish names
      Aug 07, 2002 @ 12:09 - Pepijn Hendriks ("Pepijn Hendriks" <pepijnh@...>)
6968. Polish border issues [2]: Włodawa visit
      Seven months ago, I posted the report of a visit to W³odawa (Wlodawa), a city very close to the tripoint PlByUa (see message #5209). I didn t get to the
      Aug 07, 2002 @ 12:11 - Pepijn Hendriks ("Pepijn Hendriks" <pepijnh@gmx.net>)
6969. DE2BYHETH
      German fed. land tripoint Bavaria-Hessen-Thuringia at http://www.chemie.tu-freiberg.de/~herzog/Rhoen/Ulstertal.htm (6th pic). Peter S.
      Aug 07, 2002 @ 13:33 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
6970. Re: Wales and England border question
      About 10 years ago, I stayed in the Welsh town of Montgomery which is less than a mile from the border with England. As you may know, Offa s Dyke (built by
      Aug 07, 2002 @ 13:39 - volvoorange ("volvoorange" <volvoorange@...>)
6971. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Polish border issues [1]: ARD Morgenmagazin
      ... [...] ... Since I don t use Outlook or even Outlook Express to write my mail with, editing non-Latin characters can be somewhat of a hassle at times.
      Aug 07, 2002 @ 13:40 - Pepijn Hendriks ("Pepijn Hendriks" <pepijnh@...>)
6972. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Polish border issues [1]: ARD Morgenmagazin
      Pepijn wrote: (...)îwier¿e (Swierze) Since I don t use Outlook or even Outlook Express to write my mail with, editing non-Latin characters can be somewhat
      Aug 07, 2002 @ 13:51 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
6973. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Berlin maps - (and Belgian Enclave News)
      ... A quick query in the catalogues of the Berlin State Library ( ) for verkehrsverl as part of the publisher s
      Aug 07, 2002 @ 14:08 - Pepijn Hendriks ("Pepijn Hendriks" <pepijnh@...>)
6974. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Polish border issues [1]: ARD Morgenmagazin
      ... I checked, and couldn t find it. Then, two minutes later, I tried again, and it worked. Maybe a server glitch? Anyway,
      Aug 07, 2002 @ 14:10 - Pepijn Hendriks ("Pepijn Hendriks" <pepijnh@...>)
6975. CNKPRU established
      The tripoint CNKPRU has been established, according to a news item dated June 25 of this year ( http://www.utro.ru/news/2002/06/25/85601.shtml ). The text:
      Aug 07, 2002 @ 18:09 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
6976. Megalithic boundary marker
      Some people of this list were interested on megalithic boundary markers. Obviously, the Idopil dolmen (Navarra ) was not a prehistoric boundary marker, but it
      Aug 07, 2002 @ 19:07 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
6977. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Polish border issues [2]: W³odawa visit
      Today I seem to be particularly accident prone. ... The name of that place is not Orzechowo, but Orchówek. *sigh* -Pepijn
      Aug 07, 2002 @ 19:28 - Pepijn Hendriks ("Pepijn Hendriks" <pepijnh@...>)
6978. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Megalithic boundary marker
      Very nice. Attached is a scan of the location of the stone. It is no. 212 on the Orgambide pass, and not no. 211 on Idopil (or Iropilé as it is spelled here)
      Aug 07, 2002 @ 19:40 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
6979. bahryus
      Judging from the GEEBE Yugoslavian tripoints I though that BAHRYUs was not defined. But I was wrong! This document proves it:
      Feb 07, 2002 @ 21:13 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
6980. Re: Berlin maps - (and Belgian Enclave News)
      ... one? ... too ... of ... Well I would be delighted if you could scan them and yes i am interested in buying one of them. If you could mention your price and
      Aug 07, 2002 @ 20:20 - pho_tek ("pho_tek" <pho_tek@...>)
6981. Re: Berlin maps - (and Belgian Enclave News)
      ... owned ... that ... Koch ... I agree with you, still it is strange that mister Koch tries to make such a profit out of it. I wonder is he sold any for that
      Aug 07, 2002 @ 20:32 - pho_tek ("pho_tek" <pho_tek@...>)
6982. Re: Berlin maps - (and Belgian Enclave News)
      ... Is this of interest to the group? I can send them in the forum for all to enjoy. Please wait a day or two until I get around to making the scans. ... and
      Aug 07, 2002 @ 21:05 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <listen@...>)
6983. LTPLRU, a second BEDENL? Mmm...
      A Polish article in the Trybuna newspaper (couldn t find it on line anymore, but a cache was at wow.pl:
      Aug 07, 2002 @ 21:43 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
6984. Re: Berlin maps - (and Belgian Enclave News)
      I have been having FTP troubles sending Berlin material to my website exclave.info as promised. It s coming, though. Len Nadybal
      Aug 08, 2002 @ 03:08 - lnadybal ("lnadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
6985. Re: For those of you in Germany (surname question)
      Zoom, you can actually do it yourself online ... http://www.telefonbuch.de/ takes you Deutsche Telekom s da-ba - updated fairly regularly. There are 6x Zelmers
      Aug 08, 2002 @ 08:45 - nesjo ("nesjo" <muensing@...>)
6986. Panoramic view of the international border, Douglas, Arizona
      Panoramic view of the international border, Douglas, Arizona: http://www.virtualguidebooks.com/Arizona/CactusCountry/Douglas/MexicoBorderD ouglas.html
      Aug 08, 2002 @ 21:45 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
6987. Re: Berlin maps - (and Belgian Enclave News)
      ... can ... OK, I thought you were willing to sell. No problem, I will try ebay, you are right, they have frequently Berlin material. As for the scans: for my
      Aug 09, 2002 @ 07:27 - pho_tek ("pho_tek" <pho_tek@...>)
6988. Re: Berlin maps
      Hi Stefan & group, I decided the Berlin files are of interest to everyone :). I wanted to upload them into the files section, but received an error message
      Aug 09, 2002 @ 10:48 - Wolfgang Schwanke (Wolfgang Schwanke <listen@wschwanke.de>)
6989. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Berlin maps
      Wolfgang Schwanke wrote: I decided the Berlin files are of interest to everyone :). (...) A good decision. (...)(Incidentally, the text in
      Aug 09, 2002 @ 11:48 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
6990. Any Lithuanians??
      If there are any members that are lithuanian and speak english please post as i wish to contact someone zoom
      Aug 10, 2002 @ 16:13 - zoommedix ("zoommedix" <zoomer@...>)
6991. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Any Lithuanians??
      I am not Lithuanian, but I speak Lithuanian and English. Jan(as) Vilnius ... From: zoommedix [mailto:zoomer@telusplanet.net] Sent: 10. august 2002 18:13 To:
      Aug 11, 2002 @ 15:30 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
6992. Re: Wales and England border question
      Rennie s Bridge in Chepstow/Cas-Gwent (across the river Wye/Gwy): http://www.people.virginia.edu/~jmw8m/RenniesBridgeBig.jpg Peter S.
      Aug 12, 2002 @ 07:45 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
6993. RE: Ombudswoman of Kaliningrad says visas will not restrict human rights
      Interesting article about the discussions on how to solve the visa problems of Kaliningrad when Lithuania will become EU member. The main problem is how
      Aug 12, 2002 @ 07:57 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
6994. South Korea Considers Designating Disputed Islets as National Park
      Aug 12, 2002 South Korea Considers Designating Disputed Islets as National Park The Associated Press SEOUL, South Korea (AP) - South Korea is considering
      Aug 12, 2002 @ 13:40 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
6995. Berlin Wall Anniversary
      A short CNN story on the 41st anniversary of building the Berlin Wall: http://europe.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/08/13/berlin.wall/index.html Doug
      Aug 14, 2002 @ 06:51 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@...>)
6996. Spanish Morocco and Fiume
      So, I am having trouble sending pix from my other e-mail address as it has way too many messages. Until I get to finish cleaning up that address, I will be
      Aug 15, 2002 @ 03:56 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <geographiccuriosities@yahoo.com>)
6997. GEEBE tp coordinates
      ATCZSK 48.61729 16.93959 On AT river bank CZPLSK 49.85065 18.85065 On CZPL 10 m from tp due to poor GPS signal PLSKUA 49.08579 22.57086 HUSKUA 48.40339
      Aug 16, 2002 @ 20:20 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
6998. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Wales and England border question
      Thanks, I ll try to take some time to get up around Montgomery for some pix. Dallen ... From: volvoorange [mailto:volvoorange@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday,
      Aug 16, 2002 @ 20:49 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
6999. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Wales and England border question
      Thanks Peter. I ll have to look at more bridge crossings while I m there. Dallen ... From: ps1966nl [mailto:smaardijk@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002
      Aug 16, 2002 @ 20:58 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
7000. Re: [BoundaryPoint] GEEBE tp coordinates
      Are those coordinates in wgs84 data-system Jesper? gl Harry ten Veen ... From: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen Subject: [BoundaryPoint] GEEBE tp coordinates
      Aug 16, 2002 @ 21:16 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
7001. Re: [BoundaryPoint] GEEBE tp coordinates
      yes, Harry ... From: Harry ten Veen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] GEEBE tp coordinates
      Aug 18, 2002 @ 06:18 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7002. DK3 markers
      I found some DK3 markers The municipality (kommune) of Lyngby Taarbaek in the north of Copenhagen is doing their own boundary markers. Pix attached. Jesper
      Aug 18, 2002 @ 14:27 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
7003. tp greece/turkey/bulgaria
      I think is one of the few european tripoints not already discussed on this group. The tp semms to be clearly fixed on the maritsa River in 1926, according to:
      Aug 19, 2002 @ 20:44 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
7004. Demarcation line, Poland, 1939
      http://www.ipn.gov.pl/aktual_17wrzesien39.html The text to the first picture is: Here starts the German-Soviet-Lithuanian demarcation line. The web page is
      Aug 20, 2002 @ 00:18 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
7005. Re: [BoundaryPoint] tp greece/turkey/bulgaria
      This tp has been discussed as a future Pozor Group visit for a GSEEBE. We named the groups who did GCEBE and GEEBE Pozor due to all the signs we saw on the
      Aug 20, 2002 @ 04:42 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7006. Ecuador - Colombia Border Crossing Closure
      From the news wires... [ BC-Ecuador-Colombia 123 19-08 0159 ] BC-Ecuador-Colombia code:6 INDEX: International, Politics, Defence HL:Ecuador to close key
      Aug 20, 2002 @ 04:46 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@...>)
7007. Pozor -- for your desktops
      Pozor! Tilos! Achtung!! Doug
      Aug 20, 2002 @ 04:51 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
7008. Ukrainian bordermarkers + comments
      Dear BP - members, the GEEBE is history - a phantastic trip to 9 Eastern European tripoints and many bordercrossings.... a new expedition is taking shape...
      Aug 20, 2002 @ 07:12 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.dk>)
7009. Ukrainian bordermarkers
      Dear BP-members, attached two pics from 1- border UA/SK and 2- UA/HU taken during the GEEBE... at all Ukrainian borders the marking was the same: 1- a SK-HU-PL
      Aug 20, 2002 @ 07:20 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.dk>)
7010. Re: Wales and England border question
      Hay-on-Wye is an interesting little town right on the border - and has the added bonus of being home to some of the world s best second- hand bookstores. m a r
      Aug 20, 2002 @ 08:16 - prattson ("prattson" <m.a.pratt@...>)
7011. Re: tp greece/turkey/bulgaria
      Jesper wrote: (...)Pozor is slavic for warning.(...) Not in Russian though. There, pozor means disgrace. So if you re thinking of going to Russia on the
      Aug 20, 2002 @ 10:11 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
7012. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Demarcation line, Poland, 1939
      A great page with great pictures, Peter S!!! The pictures shall have been taken on September 17th 1939 (17 wrzesien 39). This was just after August 23rd when
      Aug 20, 2002 @ 09:43 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
7013. Kaliningrad, Lithuania and the EU
      ENVOY BARGAINS WITH LITHUANIA OVER KALININGRAD. Russian President Vladimir Putin s special envoy on Kaliningrad, Dmitrii Rogozin, told journalists after his
      Aug 20, 2002 @ 15:13 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7014. England - Scotland
      Another border in Great Britain: England - Scotland. http://www.cairndhu.btinternet.co.uk/page2.htm : fourth picture. It is on a railway which no longer
      Aug 20, 2002 @ 21:32 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
7015. Re: Kaliningrad, Lithuania and the EU
      Hi, [First posting as I ve only been lurking up until now.] ... Is this a serious requirement, and if so, presumably it must be a fairly recent one? There are
      Aug 21, 2002 @ 11:54 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
7017. From the NOSE expedition
      1) (file:nogrens.jpg) An unusual sign! Normaly when you cross a border you a greeted by a welcome sign. Along NOSE you have goodby sign. This is a SWEDISH sign
      Feb 21, 2002 @ 20:37 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
7018. More NOSE
      Another three pictures from the divided island oh Hisön. Jesper Another three pictures from the divided island oh Hisön. Jesper
      Feb 21, 2002 @ 20:48 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
7019. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ltplru tp
      Jan On my maps this looks like a wet tp. How far is his from the river/lake? Jesper ... From: Jan S. Krogh To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups. com ; Jan S. Krogh
      Feb 21, 2002 @ 21:05 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7020. Re: [BoundaryPoint] From the NOSE expedition
      http://www.on-the-web.ch/sputnik/photos/sweden_trip/entering_finland1.jpg 1) (file:nogrens.jpg) An unusual sign! Normaly when you cross a border you a greeted
      Feb 21, 2002 @ 21:36 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7021. RE: [BoundaryPoint] From the NOSE expedition
      Aha - Finnish, Swedish and Sami - it sounds like between Helligskogen (NO) and Kilpisjärvi (FI). So - finally the Finns has repaired the road. Hyvä!! Jan ...
      Aug 21, 2002 @ 20:43 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
7022. RE: [BoundaryPoint] ltplru tp
      If one can trust this on-line computer map. Jan ... From: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen [mailto:jesniel@image.dk] Sent: 21. februar 2002 23:06 To:
      Aug 21, 2002 @ 21:11 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@takas.lt>)
7023. RE: [BoundaryPoint] ltplru tp
      Looks like BYLTPL, and Jesper asks about LTPLRU. And that is very dry, according to all these pictures posted here, some of them by you. You must have a good
      Aug 21, 2002 @ 22:23 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
7024. RE: [BoundaryPoint] ltplru tp
      Sorry, yes, you are right. I have only byltpl in my head now - it is the only lt tp it so far did not visit. The brook at ltplru we did not even find, it was
      Aug 21, 2002 @ 21:30 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
7025. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Kaliningrad, Lithuania and the EU
      ... Greece/Turkey. and Ireland/UK (over Rockall)
      Aug 21, 2002 @ 22:35 - Gerard J Keating ("Gerard J Keating" <gerard@...>)
7026. RE: [BoundaryPoint] ltplru tp -> BYLTPL
      Some time ago, I posted a good site with old Soviet topo maps of Lithuania. The main page isn t working anymore, but the maps are still online (navigation is a
      Aug 21, 2002 @ 23:12 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
7027. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Kaliningrad, Lithuania and the EU
      ATCHDE = Lake Constance? ... From: Gerard J Keating To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 11:35 PM Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint]
      Feb 22, 2002 @ 06:11 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7028. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Kaliningrad, Lithuania and the EU
      I think the general idea here is a border dispute that could get out of hand (i.e. between neighbours that aren t particularly nice towards eachother). Even
      Aug 22, 2002 @ 09:47 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
7029. BYLTPL and "old DEHUSK"
      Found on the internet: A draft agreement between Belorussia, Poland, and Lithuania, on the location of BYLTPL, at http://pravo2000.by.ru/baza10/d09208.htm (not
      Aug 22, 2002 @ 13:41 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
7030. RE: [BoundaryPoint] BYLTPL and "old DEHUSK"
      On the Lithuanian parliament s net site http://www3.lrs.lt/cgi-bin/preps2?Condition1=27323&Condition2= I found the LT/BY boundary agreement. The agreement was
      Aug 22, 2002 @ 21:43 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
7031. Hisön picture - bound.marker1NoSe
      Dear Boundary Pointers, attached pls find a picture from one of the most impressive boundary markers that can be found in the old world - it s from the divided
      Aug 23, 2002 @ 08:38 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.dk>)
7032. Norwegian border fun (from a distance)
      After NOSE marker no. 1 in fair weather, you might try FINO no. 295 in somewhat less summery circumstances: http://home.no.net/pglider/2001/grensen/grensen.htm
      Aug 23, 2002 @ 18:52 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
7033. interesting link
      An interesting page with the international treaties signed by swizterland concerning its boundaries ( in french, german and italian):
      Aug 23, 2002 @ 20:09 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
7034. Re: [BoundaryPoint] interesting link
      They obviously don t like boundaries in the middle of the road... Peter S. ... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance
      Aug 23, 2002 @ 20:17 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
7035. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Norwegian border fun (from a distance)
      If you read Swedish I can scan an article of Hisön, where two kingdoms meet . Jesper ... From: Peter Smaardijk To: BoundaryPoint Sent: Friday, August 23,
      Aug 23, 2002 @ 20:26 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7036. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Norwegian border fun (from a distance)
      Basicly it was the first land border of the DKNO-SE border back in 1751. http://www.antiqueprints.com/Images/europe_maps/D948_L.JPG from 1790. Jesper
      Feb 23, 2002 @ 22:02 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
7037. Belize - Guatemala - Mexico
      I m looking for some good online maps and or pictures of the following: The Belize - Mexico border. The Belize - Guatemala border. and.. The Belize - Guatemala
      Aug 24, 2002 @ 04:36 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@...>)
7038. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Norwegian border fun (from a distance)
      Ja, takk - svært gjerne :-) Jan ... From: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen [mailto:jesniel@image.dk] Sent: 23. august 2002 21:27 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
      Aug 24, 2002 @ 11:05 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
7039. Emirates of UAE and Yemen
      Hi, I am interested in the sultanates, sheikhdoms and emirates of Yemen and United Arab Emirates, both present and historical. Do any of you know of good maps
      Aug 24, 2002 @ 16:35 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
7040. Border Norway-Sweden picture
      A nice Sunday morning in DK - attached pls find a picture from our (Jesper s, Hans Peter s and Peter H s) mini expedition to NoSe last Saturday. It s one of
      Aug 25, 2002 @ 06:54 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.dk>)
7041. Short immovable french border
      http://users.swing.be/y.m/frime1.htm Nice site about the 1% from the belgian borders that hasn t changed in 1500 years. Maps and photos. There is a reference
      Aug 25, 2002 @ 09:17 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
7042. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Short immovable french border
      Marcel wrote: (...)There is a reference about an ancient three empires bordermarker on this zone, marked on a IGN french map. Do you know about this ancient
      Aug 25, 2002 @ 11:48 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
7043. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Border Norway-Sweden picture
      Why is that Peter? Is there a map avaialble which illustrates this? Bill ... From: Peter Hering [mailto:hering@mail.dk] Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 2:55 AM
      Aug 25, 2002 @ 12:55 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
7044. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Short immovable french border
      ... but neither country existed 1500 years ago...
      Aug 25, 2002 @ 18:35 - Gerard J Keating ("Gerard J Keating" <gerard@...>)
7045. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border Norway-Sweden picture
      Hello Bill I found this map to illustrate: http://www.hiof.no/english/grafikk/norway.gif. And they even put the ring right :-) . You can see there is a small
      Aug 25, 2002 @ 18:53 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7046. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Short immovable french border
      ... So? The border did... Peter S. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes
      Aug 25, 2002 @ 21:39 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
7047. Canada-US Border Sign
      Here s a picture of the boundary sign between Pembina, North Dakota USA and Emerson, Manitoba, Canada.
      Aug 26, 2002 @ 02:26 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@...>)
7048. 49th Dissapointment
      After a recent trip to the US I was dissapointed at the boarder crossing of choice. South of Creston B.C. into Northern Idaho, not only was the actual border
      Aug 26, 2002 @ 03:46 - zoommedix ("zoommedix" <zoomer@...>)
7049. TriPoint Attempt?
      Being stuck in north america where international boundaries are few and far between. I am thinking of trying for the Alberta/BC/Montana tri point. I dont know
      Aug 26, 2002 @ 03:53 - zoommedix ("zoommedix" <zoomer@...>)
7050. Re: [BoundaryPoint] TriPoint Attempt?
      Here s a map from the Canadian Glacier National Park Site: http://www.nps.gov/glac/images/bigmap.gif And another version:
      Aug 26, 2002 @ 05:58 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
7051. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 49th Dissapointment
      That seems very odd. I ve never crossed there... (I suppose I need to make a list!)... but I have no idea why it wouldn t marked -- especially the vista.
      Aug 26, 2002 @ 06:11 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
7052. Re: [BoundaryPoint] TriPoint Attempt?
      This is close: http://www.confluence.org/confluence.php?lat=49&lon=-114 ... From: zoommedix To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002
      Aug 26, 2002 @ 06:21 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
7053. Re: TriPoint Attempt?
      That has me wondering what gaps in the boundary vista, if any, might exist on the caus boundary. I remember crossing the border on I-87 near Rouses Point, NY
      Aug 26, 2002 @ 11:26 - bumpa50_1999 ("bumpa50_1999" <hanrahan@...>)
7054. Re: TriPoint Attempt?
      ... might ... on I-87 ... boundary ... to the ... hey bill & company as previously reported circa messages 168 thru 233 theres also no clearcut vista anywhere
      Aug 26, 2002 @ 20:25 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7055. Re: back
      ... thank you my friend it is great to be back here in everyones land we are all perhaps a little concerned about each other for we are all one & that is well
      Aug 26, 2002 @ 20:36 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
7056. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Belize - Guatemala - Mexico
      Doug, Here s a detail map of the tripoint from the mexican side: http://www.maps-of-mexico.com/quintana-roo-state-mexico/quintana-roo-state-mexico-map-a3.shtml
      Aug 26, 2002 @ 20:45 - Victor Cantore (Victor Cantore <drpotatoes@...>)
7057. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: TriPoint Attempt?
      Michael, it s good to have you back! And you re quite right about Akwesasne...and you had the photo to prove it. Thanks for the reminder! Bill ... From:
      Aug 27, 2002 @ 02:02 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
7058. Re: Belize - Guatemala - Mexico
      ay ay ay you have done it again doctor these are the best maps of mexico we have seen here yet & as they are authentically slow & typically lackadaisacal
      Aug 27, 2002 @ 04:01 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7059. Re: TriPoint Attempt?
      ... that looks like a yanko nps map doug but no matter its the right stuff & the zoomer has been complaining about his location since message 6416 but i can
      Aug 27, 2002 @ 06:26 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7060. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: back
      Great to have you back, Mike. However, I am very surprised that our 9 GEEBE tripoints could not even deserve a comment from you :-( / :-) Jesper
      Aug 27, 2002 @ 13:42 - jesniel@image.dk (jesniel@...)
7061. Re: Emirates of UAE and Yemen
      Hi Christian, ... Yemen and United Arab Emirates, both present and historical. I understand the fuzzy borders (some maps also draw them as dotted lines) mean
      Aug 27, 2002 @ 21:13 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <listen@...>)
7062. Re: TriPoint Attempt?
      Heavens no I m not complaining about the location where I live at all I love it it s just for the purposes of tri pointing the travel is much farther apart to
      Aug 27, 2002 @ 21:16 - zoommedix ("zoommedix" <zoomer@...>)
7063. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: TriPoint Attempt?
      I feel your tripoint pain...I m always having to fly to Europe. Rats... ... Heavens no I m not complaining about the location
      Aug 28, 2002 @ 00:44 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
7064. Re: back
      ... not even deserve ... hej jesper my alter eguy for it is great to be great together with you & you know full well it was you who woke me up in message 6848
      Aug 28, 2002 @ 01:12 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7065. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: TriPoint Attempt?
      But it s worth it! :) ... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes
      Aug 28, 2002 @ 05:45 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
7066. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Emirates of UAE and Yemen
      Hi, Oasis A that belongs to country X and so on is perhaps best illustrated by Grant Hutchison s excellent article Foreign Parts in Wanderlust # 50. ...In
      Aug 28, 2002 @ 16:09 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
7067. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: TriPoint Attempt?
      Looking at Mike s face during all of GEEBE confirms this. Jesper ... From: Michael Kaufman To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002
      Aug 28, 2002 @ 21:40 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7068. bcidwa & bcidmt & Canada/US 49th border vista
      Hello All. First, I m not an active member of this group, so appologies if I haven t used the correct terminology for the tripoints: bcidwa = British
      Aug 29, 2002 @ 06:31 - canadadcp ("canadadcp" <dpatton@...>)
7069. Life on the line: Richford (Vermont) farmhouse straddles two countries
      Life on the line: Richford farmhouse straddles two countries y Erica Jacobson Free Press Staff Writer (Burlington Free Press - 7/28/02) Dora and Lyle Hurtubise
      Aug 29, 2002 @ 16:45 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
7070. Exclaves of Moscow
      A very long time ago, Arif mentioned the exclaves of Moscow city. The city of Moscow is a Russian administrative entity of the primary level, i.e. equal to
      Aug 29, 2002 @ 21:01 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
7071. Re: TriPoint Attempt?
      ... wow thanx for the lift & glad to be there m er which face & what does it confirm
      Aug 30, 2002 @ 17:28 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7072. Re: More Minor Stuff
      ... i agree dry rie more minor than anything indeed the most minor visit stuff yet reported here yes i know it may seem like just another moderated extremity &
      Aug 30, 2002 @ 19:20 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7073. Re: bcidwa & bcidmt & Canada/US 49th border vista
      glad to meet you dave well said & thanx as both these tripoints are bp virgins btw i had always thought a confluence was a stream junction & had never heard of
      Aug 30, 2002 @ 19:34 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7074. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: back
      Hi Mike, Be sure that we all were very busy to make our class A visists (when possible). As a matter of fact, we classified all our tp-visits during the GEEBE.
      Aug 30, 2002 @ 19:59 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
7075. Re: Towns across borders
      back in june message 6735 ... name. ... but ... same ... i just want to congratulate dan on this original & interesting try which tho not strictly
      Aug 30, 2002 @ 20:11 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7076. Re: back
      ... GEEBE. ... where on ... thank you harry i like that & these new letter classes are fantastic hahahahaha one & all beautiful gl m ... think I used ... at
      Aug 30, 2002 @ 20:22 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7077. Re: GEEBE photo
      thats better i guess i missed this one still catching up m ... right front. ... tip of my right hand is one hour ahead of the rest.
      Aug 30, 2002 @ 20:27 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7078. Re: sen, ses, sew, see, sel, seh
      ... i cant read svedish & you probably didnt forget a thing but a seventh point the geographical center of sweden or sec would make it a complete rainbow tour
      Aug 30, 2002 @ 20:50 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7079. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: sen, ses, sew, see, sel, seh
      Jan pointed out to me that SEC _is_ mentioned as well, but: På vägen dit passerar jag Sveriges mittpunkt i Medelpad. Men den punkten är inte seriös. Hur
      Aug 30, 2002 @ 20:59 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
7080. Re: sen, ses, sew, see, sel, seh... & SEC!
      http://www.mittpunkten.com/ http://www.medelvagen.se/medlemsforetag/mittpunkten/ Peter S.
      Aug 30, 2002 @ 21:13 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
7081. Re: sen, ses, sew, see, sel, seh
      none are serious unless they are tried the try alone is what makes them serious here at bp of course in a light hearted way only as i know you understand & no
      Aug 30, 2002 @ 21:13 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7082. Re: sen, ses, sew, see, sel, seh... & SEC!
      yako yas i say okay
      Aug 30, 2002 @ 21:25 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7083. BC/AB/MT question for Doug
      Thanks for the excellent links Doug, If there is a cut line from the shores of cameron lake could you not just follow the cut line up the ridge until to locate
      Aug 30, 2002 @ 21:26 - zoommedix ("zoommedix" <zoomer@...>)
7084. CANUSA border markers
      for anyone that knows.......how far apart do the put the actual markers on the canada usa border??
      Aug 30, 2002 @ 21:28 - zoommedix ("zoommedix" <zoomer@...>)
7085. Re: Towns across borders
      --Emerson MB and Noyes, MN are pretty much the same town ... as ... please
      Aug 30, 2002 @ 21:30 - zoommedix ("zoommedix" <zoomer@...>)
7086. Re: Towns across borders
      As I understood it, the request was about towns with the same name on both sides of the border. It is rather rare, I think. At the time I couldn t think of
      Aug 30, 2002 @ 21:42 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
7087. US-Canada
      Zoomer, There is no set distance between markers on the US-CA border. It really depends on topography and cultural structures. The rule as far as I understand
      Aug 30, 2002 @ 22:02 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
7088. Canada-US IBC
      A few years back I was on the International Boundary Commission s mailing list. It was great to get their annual reports full of photos and great information
      Aug 30, 2002 @ 22:21 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
7089. BEC old and new
      The centre of Belgium is in the municipality of Walhain, province of Walloon Brabant, and more precisely in the municipal section of Nil- Saint-Vincent, at
      Aug 30, 2002 @ 22:36 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
7090. Koreas Agree on Cross-Border Railway, Food Aid for North
      Aug 30, 2002 Koreas Agree on Cross-Border Railway, Food Aid for North By Sang-Hun Choe Associated Press Writer SEOUL, South Korea (AP) - North and South Korea
      Aug 30, 2002 @ 23:44 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
7091. Request and maps
      Does anybody have the text of the World War I peace treaty between Czechoslovakia and Germany? Or at least know the name of it? I distinctly seem to remember
      Aug 31, 2002 @ 01:30 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <geographiccuriosities@yahoo.com>)
7092. RE: [BoundaryPoint] BC/AB/MT question for Doug
      I don t know whether there is a cleared line, but US - Canadian boundary marker #272 is at the tripoint. My guess is there may be some cliffs or sections of
      Aug 31, 2002 @ 01:32 - jack parsell ("jack parsell" <jparsell@...>)
7093. Re: Request and maps
      The flash animation is still on line: http://www.elpais.es/multimedia/espana/perejil.html If you read spanish, there s a chronology of this conflict at:
      Aug 31, 2002 @ 12:52 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
7094. Life on the line: Richford (Vermont) farmhouse straddles two countries
      Bill -- That was a great article on the US-Canada boundary. Perhaps we should have a mini-expedition to Rock Island - Derby Line. October in New England &
      Aug 31, 2002 @ 15:03 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@...>)
7095. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BC/AB/MT question for Doug
      Jack is right. It may be cleared, where trees grew, but there may be large cliffs to deal with. Why don t you try emailing or calling either the park office
      Aug 31, 2002 @ 15:12 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
7096. Re: BC/AB/MT question for Doug
      the pic of abbcmt taken from cameron lake as linked in message 7059 should dissuade this direct approach whether it is clearcut there or not which i doubt
      Aug 31, 2002 @ 15:20 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7097. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Koreas Agree on Cross-Border Railway, Food Aid for North
      And a trip to Korea sounds like a good idea too... it would be nice to see this happen, first hand. D ... From: Bill Hanrahan To: BoundaryPoint Sent: Friday,
      Aug 31, 2002 @ 15:20 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
7098. Re: BEC old and new
      nice find very cool indeed & what vectorial value to give the claves when recalculating m ... of ... in ... the
      Aug 31, 2002 @ 15:29 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7099. Re: Towns across borders
      ... on ... yes i cant speak for dan but it seems to me you have disqualified this one too m that Comines (BE) isn t a separate municipality ... Waasten ... is
      Aug 31, 2002 @ 15:31 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7100. Re: Life on the line: Richford (Vermont) farmhouse straddles two countries
      ... should have a mini-expedition to Rock Island - Derby Line. October in New England & Quebec is beautiful! Anyone? yes i agree come to new england for
      Aug 31, 2002 @ 15:51 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7101. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Canada-US IBC
      ... [snip] ... A confluence visit to 49N 121W shows examples of the border vista, a boundary monument, and also indications of a crew working nearby to clear
      Aug 31, 2002 @ 15:59 - Dave Patton [DCP] ("Dave Patton [DCP]" <dpatton@...>)
7102. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BC/AB/MT question for Doug
      ... Jack: Can you provide some info on how you know this? When looking into the bcidwa and bcidmt points Brian Butler had provided some assistance, but in both
      Aug 31, 2002 @ 16:05 - Dave Patton [DCP] ("Dave Patton [DCP]" <dpatton@...>)
7103. Re: BC/AB/MT question for Doug
      topozone shows it m
      Aug 31, 2002 @ 16:09 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7104. Japanese Film
      Hello Folks... I ve now heard 2 mentions of Japanese film crews filming borders. 1 -- When we were in Baarle on the GCEBE (at the De Biergrens) someone had
      Aug 31, 2002 @ 17:17 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@...>)
7105. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Japanese Film
      Hello Doug, Yes I have, as I worked close together with the Japanese crew of NHK when they were filing in Baarle. I ve got a copy from the film they made about
      Aug 31, 2002 @ 17:59 - Ed Ragas ("Ed Ragas" <edragas@...>)
7106. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BC/AB/MT question for Doug
      ... I d suggest you might want to take a look at this for more info: http://www.confluence.org/confluence.php?lat=49&lon=-114 The narrative may help you, and
      Aug 31, 2002 @ 16:11 - Dave Patton [DCP] ("Dave Patton [DCP]" <dpatton@...>)
7107. Back
      ... I think the tp could be right at my head. Rolf has a picture of the tp with no freaks at http://www.vasa.abo.fi/users/rpalmber/BordersACRS.htm Attached a
      Aug 31, 2002 @ 20:48 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
7108. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Life on the line: Richford (Vermont) farmhouse straddles two countries
      That was a great article on the US-Canada boundary. Perhaps we should have a mini-expedition to Rock Island - Derby Line. October in New England & Quebec is
      Aug 31, 2002 @ 22:03 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
7109. Re: BC/AB/MT question for Doug
      Acroorca Do you if the ridge crest is walkable for the approx 3 km to the tripoint??
      Aug 31, 2002 @ 22:20 - zoommedix ("zoommedix" <zoomer@...>)
7110. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Life on the line: Richford (Vermont) farmhouse straddles two countries
      I m thinking very seriously of extending my trip next week to NYC (9/7-9/16) to allow a few days to drive up and check it out. Why not?! D ... From: Bill
      Aug 31, 2002 @ 23:07 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
7111. Fun in Vancouver
      The following is an editorial cartoon that appeared in the Halifax, Nova Scotia Herald. For those of you not in North America (including Cape Breton) Nova
      Sep 01, 2002 @ 00:32 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
7112. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Life on the line: Richford (Vermont) farmhouse straddles two countries
      A mini-documentary in the making! Bill ... From: Doug Murray [mailto:doug@dougmurrayproductions.com] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 7:07 PM To:
      Sep 01, 2002 @ 01:34 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
7113. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Life on the line: Richford (Vermont) farmhouse straddles two countries
      The GNEETBE* *The Great New England and Eastern Townships Border Expedition (With apologies to Peter Hering) Doug ... From: Bill Hanrahan To:
      Sep 01, 2002 @ 02:12 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
7114. Re: Towns across borders
      yikes another mxus pair might be sasabe arizona & sasabe sonora m ... name ... I ... one. ... have ... additions, ... interesting
      Sep 01, 2002 @ 17:48 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7115. Re: BC/AB/MT question for Doug
      i dont know but i walked 22 miles of continental divide around idmtwy & it is generally easier than you might think from the sound of it so that is still my
      Sep 01, 2002 @ 17:51 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7116. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Towns across borders
      Nogales... Bill ... From: acroorca2002 [mailto:orc@orcoast.com] Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 1:49 PM To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Subject:
      Sep 01, 2002 @ 17:57 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
7117. Re: Back
      all gorgeous additions jesper thank you & please see my important addition inserted below too ... yes i know but not a multipoint borders separate people &
      Sep 01, 2002 @ 18:04 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7118. Re: Towns across borders
      i am nuts about nogales but isnt that where we began in message 6735 link etc sasabe & naco would at least be new to dans list & possibly the only exacting
      Sep 01, 2002 @ 18:43 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7119. Re: Back
      ... yikes i think class e may be the only accurate call in this case since it seems nobody ever saw or photographed the tripoint itself not from up close for a
      Sep 01, 2002 @ 18:56 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7120. Re: Minor Stuff
      ... the ... not so fast please actually since nh owns the ct river nhw isnt on the island at all but is on the bridge just where it reaches the right bank at
      Sep 01, 2002 @ 19:18 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7121. Re: CTN
      optionally a much easier & safer approach is to call the options institute in sheffield for permission to approach from massachusetts or just sneak in the gate
      Sep 01, 2002 @ 19:25 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7122. Re: dktp2 complete
      nice going looks complete on the dry ones but not yet the wet i mention this since i have tried 80 of the 85 us2 multipoints & am still lacking 5 wet ones
      Sep 01, 2002 @ 19:42 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7123. Re: Towns across borders
      ... Looks like I ve got to catch up with my reading. Bill
      Sep 01, 2002 @ 19:48 - bumpa50_1999 ("bumpa50_1999" <hanrahan@...>)
7124. Moving Tripoint
      I spoke with my friend in Belize yesterday. We discussed the various issues surrounding the borders of Belize. Two notes: 1- Belize and Guatemala will be
      Sep 02, 2002 @ 00:26 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@...>)
7125. Japanese in Baarle
      Ed Ragas (Hello Ed!) and the Baarle-Hertog administration mentioned to me in October 2000 that the Japanese crew had been in Baarle just before me. August i
      Sep 02, 2002 @ 00:45 - b.whyte@pgrad.unimelb.edu.au (b.whyte@...)
7126. Border Lines trivia
      Border Lines - trivia about the caus border in the Eastern Townships area: http://www.easterntownships.com/borderlines/index.html
      Sep 02, 2002 @ 01:03 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
7127. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Japanese in Baarle
      I ve contacted Ed -- and hope to chase down the documentary. Luckily, finding a Japanese speaker in Vancouver will be easy. I ll let you know how it goes...
      Sep 02, 2002 @ 15:49 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@...>)
7128. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Back
      ... Well borders brought the people of BP together, and partculary the Pozor group. Jesper
      Sep 02, 2002 @ 19:56 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7129. Mexico maps
      I know the website address with Perejil flashmaps. The problem is I don t have screen capture abilities and I was wondering if somebody could capture the
      Sep 03, 2002 @ 03:49 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <geographiccuriosities@yahoo.com>)
7130. Lithuania preparing for protection of external EU border
      Lithuanian role in protection of EU external border was discussed widely at a seminar arranged by Lithuanian foreign ministry and European Politics Institute
      Sep 03, 2002 @ 10:38 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
7131. Free Zones
      I was trying hard to find the treaty which gives a Czechoslovak free zone in Hamburg and at last found it in Treaty of Versailles, article 363. The other port
      Sep 03, 2002 @ 14:50 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
7132. Re: Mexico maps
      ... thanx arif any surviving megapoint hopeful is good news whether old news or new & still wishing for good enough maps of mexico to settle this or even just
      Sep 03, 2002 @ 17:25 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7133. Re: Back
      ... Pozor group. yes & i do rejoice with you over this truth & any other truth to the extent that it is the truth even while bp is about multipointing m
      Sep 03, 2002 @ 17:44 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7134. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Back
      I think BP means alot more to the members than multipoints. When I posted my GEEBE tripoints pix nobody responded, and I even had to ask Mr. Mike Multipoint
      Sep 03, 2002 @ 17:50 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7135. Re: Towns across borders
      yipes i may have to eat sasabe tho since the name may actually be el sasabe in sonora & thus technically a different name than sasabe arizona & cant count
      Sep 03, 2002 @ 18:11 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7136. Re: [BoundaryPoint] RE: Unknown Spanish provincial enclave
      ... As I’ve promised a month ago, I’ve compared the list of provincial enclaves and the book “Viaje a los enclaves provinciales” : the list is correct
      Sep 03, 2002 @ 18:42 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@navegalia.com>)
7137. Re: Back
      ... which members do you mean yes certainly some members indeed probably the overwhelming majority of us hahaha ok yes i concede possibly everyone but me
      Sep 03, 2002 @ 19:00 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7138. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Back
      nope since the photo is still at the developer j ... monument, pix will follow. you already showed it i think & they didnt care then either but that shouldnt
      Sep 03, 2002 @ 19:05 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7139. Point Roberts Aerials
      My apologies if this is a reposting. Can you see the border? http://www.globalairphotos.com/gallery/WA/Point_Roberts/ Doug
      Sep 04, 2002 @ 06:39 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@...>)
7140. Re: Back
      misunderstood was referring to your message 7002 but let this new dk3 tp mon rip by all means & it may inspire me to dig out our local quaternary quadripoint
      Sep 04, 2002 @ 15:18 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7141. Re: Minor Stuff
      actually i should correct myself here too since anybody can see this by dialing up brattleboro at topozone the manmade dry nhw point does appear to be on the
      Sep 04, 2002 @ 15:40 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7142. diplomatic borders
      http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/2236188.stm in as few words as possible...what s the basics behind diplomatic borders? i know local authorities can t
      Sep 04, 2002 @ 15:41 - timothykiser ("timothykiser" <timothykiser@...>)
7143. Re: Moving Tripoint
      ... their border. Apparently the MX-GT-BZ tripoint will move 600metres east (I think). this is actually big news if true since they so recently agreed to
      Sep 04, 2002 @ 16:03 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7144. CBC Radio Vancouver -- border features
      Greetings, all! The local CBC radio outlet (from our National public network) is heading to the mighty 49th parallel this week. Clips, pictures and more from
      Sep 04, 2002 @ 19:47 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@...>)
7145. diplomatic borders update...
      the bbc released another article in regards to the chinese/german situation. here s a little of the answer i was looking for. There is confusion over whether
      Sep 04, 2002 @ 20:05 - timothykiser ("timothykiser" <timothykiser@...>)
7146. Tp3
      As promised the tripoint monument of dk3grhtro. As the sign says the tree has been planted where the municipalities meet. It s the first tripoint monument I
      Sep 04, 2002 @ 20:22 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
7147. RE: [BoundaryPoint] CBC Radio Vancouver -- border features
      Doug, I ll be waiting to see your follow-up on Derby Line with baited breath. I ve been to the Haskell Library, but unfortunately it was closed when I was last
      Sep 04, 2002 @ 23:28 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
7148. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CBC Radio Vancouver -- border features
      Bill~~ If yoou want to join in the trip, please do! Doug ... From: Bill Hanrahan To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 4:28 PM
      Sep 05, 2002 @ 07:01 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
7149. Lake Ceresio
      Hi everybody; I just wanted to know if anybody of you knew about Lake Ceresio, which, to the best of my knowledge, is the only lake in the world wich is
      Sep 05, 2002 @ 10:15 - marco_polito ("marco_polito" <marco_polito@...>)
7150. Re: CBC Radio Vancouver -- border features
      Wish I could! Bill
      Sep 05, 2002 @ 12:37 - bumpa50_1999 ("bumpa50_1999" <hanrahan@...>)
7151. Re: Tp3
      i cant really read the danish but i get the impression the sign also indicates that this is a quaternary quintipoint that is a dk4quinti as well as a dk3tp or
      Sep 05, 2002 @ 15:53 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7152. Re: CBC Radio Vancouver -- border features
      ... Overnighting 2 nights. Doing the story with the kids on Sunday, and then back to NYC on Monday. So... if anyone wants to meet for a pint one night... ...
      Sep 05, 2002 @ 15:58 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7153. Derby Line
      (This is my second attempt to post this, so if it shows oup on BP twice, my apologies...my server is acting a little funny today...) Doug, Regarding Derby
      Sep 05, 2002 @ 18:23 - bumpa50_1999 ("bumpa50_1999" <hanrahan@...>)
7154. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Tp3
      Well, it depends how to count ;-) It stands that «2 counties (amter) and 3 municipalities (kommuner) meet». (Two of the municipalities belong to one county
      Sep 05, 2002 @ 19:28 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
7155. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tp3
      ... From: Jesper Nielsen It s the first tripoint monument I have seen of that kind so far. When the new municipality of Steenwijkerland was founded and the
      Sep 05, 2002 @ 19:51 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
7156. County curiosities
      Thanks to Mr Keene, I have become aware of three more county-level fragments. Two of them are for all intents and purposes confirmed. The other one shows up
      Sep 06, 2002 @ 15:26 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
7157. Re: Lake Ceresio
      ... We did, but I for one didn t know it by that name or think about it in this way, so many thanks for posting it! I ve always known it as Lake Lugano, and
      Sep 06, 2002 @ 16:32 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
7158. GPS
      How much do these run in US or CDN dollars and who sells em??
      Sep 07, 2002 @ 02:37 - zoommedix ("zoommedix" <zoomer@...>)
7159. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Derby Line
      It s on my list of things to do! Doug ... From: bumpa50_1999 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 11:23 AM Subject:
      Sep 07, 2002 @ 04:28 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
7160. Derby Line
      The attached small photo is of the Haskell Library situated directly on the border of Derby Line, VT and Rock Island, PQ. I m wondering if that s a portion of
      Sep 07, 2002 @ 12:39 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@kua.net>)
7161. Re: Tp3
      ... (amter) and 3 ... to one ... ahh thanx jan your info then seems to indicate that this is a tertiary tripoint upon a secondary boundary line & not really a
      Sep 07, 2002 @ 14:11 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7162. Re: County curiosities
      ... i see the clave ok but this or these boundary crosses do elude me on the above map so can you point it or them out more clearly m
      Sep 07, 2002 @ 14:19 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7163. Re: County curiosities
      Here s a good map of the interesecting borders of Loudon/Roane Counties. http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=16&n=3950023&e=722457&s=25 I think Arif gave the
      Sep 07, 2002 @ 17:40 - josephkeene ("josephkeene" <josephkeene@...>)
7164. Another County Fragment in Tennessee
      I believe I ve come across another county fragment in Tennessee. I was browsing my DeLorme Topographical map book for a place for my wife and I to do a short
      Sep 07, 2002 @ 17:41 - Joseph Keene (Joseph Keene <josephkeene@yahoo.ie>)
7165. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Another County Fragment in Tennessee
      You don t have to convince me on the new fragment. Guess why I got on the internet now. You guessed it, to mention I found another country fragment, of White
      Sep 08, 2002 @ 01:03 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
7166. Re: caus highway
      ... USBP and ... I ... photo on an ... It was in an older edition of Macleans Mag. I think I have the copy, Somewere. If I do fid it, I will scan and post
      Sep 08, 2002 @ 01:13 - averillhecht ("averillhecht" <alhecht@...>)
7167. Oops
      Ok, the previous e-mail was supposed to be sent to Mr Keene only, but I noticed that the reply-to was boundarypoint just a bit too late. However, you are all
      Sep 08, 2002 @ 01:22 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
7168. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: caus highway
      Thanks Averill. I think I may have seen it in USA Today, so I guess they may have reprinted it from Macleans. Bill It was in an older edition of Macleans Mag.
      Sep 08, 2002 @ 01:32 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
7169. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Another County Fragment in Tennessee
      Dont know if it has been discussed before, but I think Brookline, MA fits the bill as well, as it is part of Norfolk County, detached from the rest of Norfolk
      Sep 08, 2002 @ 02:01 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
7170. Re: Another County Fragment in Tennessee
      You know, I did think about that skinny portion of White that appeared to border Bledsoe for an extremely short distance. I wondered if it even did border
      Sep 08, 2002 @ 05:54 - josephkeene ("josephkeene" <josephkeene@...>)
7171. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Tp3
      ... From: acroorca2002 [mailto:orc@orcoast.com] Sent: 7. september 2002 16:12 ... (amter) and 3 ... to one ... ahh thanx jan your info then seems to indicate
      Sep 08, 2002 @ 13:09 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
7172. Re: Another County Fragment in Tennessee
      thanx from me too joseph for all your input & a slow motion but warm southern welcome to you arif & i & some others here have long been rubbernecking not
      Sep 08, 2002 @ 17:55 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7173. Re: Another County Fragment in Tennessee
      hey mike i thought you were hitting the books anyway congrats on your recent grand tour & for my confusing you with myself m ... MA fits ... the rest ...
      Sep 08, 2002 @ 18:00 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7174. Re: Another County Fragment in Tennessee
      old news but while on the subject of belated welcomes mike let me assure you an earlier try by me has gotten lost & may yet arrive anyway but the gist is glad
      Sep 08, 2002 @ 18:19 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7175. yahoo berserk again
      yesss it is my pleasure to inform you that the yahoo server has evidently once again gone into at least slow motion if not no motion with our postings & has
      Sep 08, 2002 @ 18:25 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7176. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Tp3
      The tripoint (Greve-Roskilde-Høje Taastrup) can be found at http://www.stortele.dk/Fakta/amt_map2.asp. I cannot confirm that the tree is 100% on the tripoint,
      Sep 08, 2002 @ 18:43 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7177. dkc
      http://www.danmarks-midtpunkt.dk/
      Sep 08, 2002 @ 19:07 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7178. RE: [BoundaryPoint] dkc
      (No, no, no, Jesper!!! Not all of em out there all vikings! ;-) TO ALL WHO DON T READ DANISH, go to: http://www.midregions.net/ Jan ... From: Jesper Nielsen
      Sep 08, 2002 @ 19:32 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
7179. Re: [BoundaryPoint] dkc
      But the non-vikings can look at pictures. Jesper ... From: Jan S. Krogh To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 9:32 PM Subject: RE:
      Sep 08, 2002 @ 19:35 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7180. CAUS
      Came across this article on msnbc regarding the possible integration of the CAUS border, interesting reading http://msnbc.com/news/804532.asp VC
      Sep 09, 2002 @ 18:22 - drpotatoes ("drpotatoes" <drpotatoes@...>)
7181. Re: dkc
      OK, Vikings can read, the rest ll have to settle for the pics. Only joking, mate. But seriously, I guess DKC is calculated without the Faeroer and Greenland.
      Sep 09, 2002 @ 20:55 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
7182. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: dkc
      Of course Greenland and the Faroe Is. are not parts of mainland Denmark! In 1814 these territories by a work carelessly and superficially performed became
      Sep 09, 2002 @ 21:21 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
7183. Re: dkc
      Jan wrote: Of course Greenland and the Faroe Is. are not parts of mainland Denmark! Of course, of course, I knew that... Nevertheless I cannot say that DKc
      Sep 09, 2002 @ 22:14 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
7184. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: dkc
      No DKC, is not that central. But this central thing is very odd in any case, like the examples of no and hr. And how do you meassure. I am off today to dedk by
      Sep 10, 2002 @ 02:11 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7185. US, Canada plan to dismantle border (Toronto Star)
      I find this a little hard to believe... Bill US, Canada plan to dismantle border Ajit Jain in Toronto Canada and the United States are considering dismantling
      Sep 10, 2002 @ 05:38 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
7186. RE: [BoundaryPoint] US, Canada plan to dismantle border (Toronto Star)
      Sounds like a North American Union in spe... Jan
      Sep 10, 2002 @ 07:15 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
7187. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: dkc
      I agree that it is a very odd thing! But earlier the c thing according to how I have understood it, should be the balancing point of the country/area not
      Sep 10, 2002 @ 07:45 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
7188. Antarctic territories
      ... What is the status of the various Antarctic territories? I think seven nations make territorial claims (some of which overlap each other), but I understood
      Sep 11, 2002 @ 09:58 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
7189. Re: Antarctic territories
      Kevin Meynell wrote: I thought Bouvet and Peter I islands were internationally recognised as being Norwegian possessions and therefore not part of the
      Sep 11, 2002 @ 14:55 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
7190. Changing sides of the road
      Have any of you been to borders where road traffic changes sides of the road? I would be interested to see any photos of this. There are 30 borders worldwide
      Sep 11, 2002 @ 15:55 - nfhodder ("nfhodder" <lists@...>)
7191. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Changing sides of the road
      First, welcome to BP! Second, thanks for posting this...I was thinking of this issue recently, and distinctly remember the occasion of Sweden s changeover in
      Sep 11, 2002 @ 16:30 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
7192. Re: Minor Stuff
      I don t count bridges as land. BJB
      Sep 11, 2002 @ 19:34 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
7193. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Changing sides of the road
      Great page, nfhodder! Here are some pix from the Swedish event: Upper picture: From Kungsgatan street, Stockholm exact during the change from left to right.
      Sep 11, 2002 @ 19:59 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@takas.lt>)
7194. Re: Antarctic territories
      ... of ... Bouvet is north of the Antarctic Treaty limit at 60S, so isn t considered in the Antarctic Treaty. Peter I is south of 60S, and and lies outside the
      Sep 11, 2002 @ 20:13 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
7195. Re: Changing sides of the road
      ... That Keep Right sign in Iceland reminds me of the problems I had driving there. On the hundreds of miles of dirt roads they don t so much drive on the
      Sep 11, 2002 @ 22:59 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
7196. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Digest Number 798
      Which is why rental cars in NZ and Australia often have a large arrow-shaped sticker on the plastic panel over the speedo: Links Halten Many sealed roads in
      Sep 12, 2002 @ 00:51 - b.whyte@pgrad.unimelb.edu.au (b.whyte@...)
7197. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Changing sides of the road
      Gibraltar changed to driving on the right in 1925 because of the border problem.Did Austria dive on the left until 1920? Does anyone know? ... From: nfhodder
      Sep 12, 2002 @ 07:31 - Bill Burke ("Bill Burke" <bill@...>)
7198. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Changing sides of the road
      Gibraltar did not changes sides in 1925, but at 5am on Sunday 16th June 1929, just over a year after Portugal had made the same change. Parts of Austria
      Sep 12, 2002 @ 07:53 - Nicholas F Hodder ("Nicholas F Hodder" <lists@...>)
7199. Re: Lake Ceresio
      Dear all; reason why I call it lake Ceresio instead of Lake Lugano. In Italy most lakes have a name of their own (i.e. not related to any city on its shores)
      Sep 12, 2002 @ 08:09 - marco_polito ("marco_polito" <marco_polito@...>)
7200. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Lake Ceresio
      According to Her Majesty s Customs and Excise, the Italian waters of Lake Lugano (or Lake Ceresio) are outside the fiscal area of the EC (just like Gibraltar,
      Sep 12, 2002 @ 08:17 - Nicholas F Hodder ("Nicholas F Hodder" <lists@...>)
7201. Re: Lake Ceresio
      The same thing happens with the Lake of Geneva; the French name is Lac Léman, but Lac de Genève occurs as well. In the past, the names Lac de Lausanne and
      Sep 12, 2002 @ 08:19 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
7202. Re: Changing sides of the road
      A very interesting and impressive site, I must say. Lots of things I didn t know, but the fact that in Alsace-Lorraine the trains still use the right track,
      Sep 12, 2002 @ 09:08 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
7203. Border with greatest time difference
      Which border has the greatest time difference as you cross it? The greatest difference I ve found is Afghanistan/China, with a difference of 3½ hours.
      Sep 12, 2002 @ 16:36 - Nicholas F Hodder ("Nicholas F Hodder" <lists@...>)
7204. CANUSA visit
      Hi all My venture to the MT/AB/BC tripoint was a no go, we hiked to the end of the cameron lake trail and saw a picture of two guys at the tripoint so it can
      Sep 12, 2002 @ 16:42 - zoommedix ("zoommedix" <zoomer@...>)
7205. DE2BYHETH - pictures
      Attached five pics of DE2BYHETH and the HETH border a bit to the north of this tripoint. To start with the latter one, the valley of the Birxgraben brook: It
      Sep 12, 2002 @ 19:13 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
7206. Pack die Badehose ein and other German fun
      In the Photos section: The first fruits of my recent DE2 border experience (not really an expedition - I didn t cover that much of the borders, i.c. the one
      Sep 12, 2002 @ 21:31 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
7207. England-Wales
      Well, I m back from my England-Wales borderland excursion. As Wales never really functioned as an independent country before it became attached to England in
      Sep 12, 2002 @ 21:54 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
7208. driving left and right
      For an authoritative history of who drove on what side of the road, when and why, see: The rule of the road, an international guide to history and practice ,
      Sep 13, 2002 @ 02:32 - b.whyte@pgrad.unimelb.edu.au (b.whyte@...)
7209. RE: [BoundaryPoint] driving left and right
      Yes, this book is excellent and is well worth getting if you are interested in this subject. The book can also be obtained at:
      Sep 13, 2002 @ 07:21 - Nicholas F Hodder ("Nicholas F Hodder" <lists@...>)
7210. Iron Curtain fluttering
      Not only the borders of West Berlin were subject to changes in the period 1945 - 1989, but also the East-West German border. I didn t know anything about it,
      Sep 13, 2002 @ 08:49 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
7211. Re: Iron Curtain fluttering
      The US army site seems to be off the air, which is a pity. I had printed it out a couple of days ago... Another map of the Sexton-Askalepov exchange is at
      Sep 13, 2002 @ 08:53 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
7212. RE: [BoundaryPoint] CANUSA visit
      Hello! Thanks for the report. What is a bearage . I could not find that word in my Webster. Have not been in your village yet. The day is getting shorter,
      Sep 13, 2002 @ 09:11 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
7213. Re: Lake Ceresio
      ... Their list seems very confused. Cyprus, Malta and Switzerland are not in the EU/EC; Iceland, Liechenstein and Norway are EEA countries, and neither is
      Sep 13, 2002 @ 09:26 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
7214. Re: Lake Ceresio
      Kevin Meynell wrote: (...)if the internal French Overseas Territories are listed (Guadeloupe, Martinique & Reunion), then presumably Greenland should also be
      Sep 13, 2002 @ 09:30 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
7215. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Lake Ceresio
      I agree that the list is confused, particularly as one list is more comprehensive than the other. I think they included countries like Switzerland and Cyprus
      Sep 13, 2002 @ 09:39 - Nicholas F Hodder ("Nicholas F Hodder" <lists@...>)
7216. Re: CANUSA visit
      ... word in my ... Abundance of bears?? Peter S.
      Sep 13, 2002 @ 11:32 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
7217. EU or not (was Re: Lake Ceresio)
      Nicholas, ... I don t think so. Greenland was originally included when Denmark joined the EEC in 1973, but seceded in 1979 (in fact the only country ever to
      Sep 13, 2002 @ 12:27 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
7218. EU or not?
      Nicholas, Further to this discussion, an interesting paper on the subject can be found at: http://www.upei.ca/~iis/murray.html Regards, Kevin Meynell
      Sep 13, 2002 @ 12:30 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
7219. EU or not (was Re: Lake Ceresio)
      Kevin Meynell wrote: (...) Greenland was originally included when Denmark joined the EEC in 1973, but seceded in 1979 (...) Acc. to my info, this was on Feb.
      Sep 13, 2002 @ 12:48 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
7220. Re: Iron Curtain fluttering
      Back again at http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/documents/BorderOps/ch3.htm#p51 Peter S.
      Sep 13, 2002 @ 13:26 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
7221. Re: EU or not?
      Peter, ... You re quite right. I got this mixed-up with the date of home rule, although from memory, I m sure the Greenlanders actually made the decision to
      Sep 13, 2002 @ 13:30 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
7222. Re: EU or not?
      Kevin Meynell wrote: (...) they [Canary is.] would seem to have a similar status to the Channel Islands as they re not considered to be part of the EU for
      Sep 13, 2002 @ 13:32 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
7223. EU or not?
      hello everybody! three topics: 1) EU seccession: Greenland was not the only case; Algeria also seceeded from the EU (at that time known as European Common
      Sep 13, 2002 @ 14:01 - marco_polito ("marco_polito" <marco_polito@...>)
7224. Re: EU or not? (ERRATA CORRIGE)
      I made a mistake. Aland Is. are part of EU. About Gibraltar; My opinion is that Gibaltrar is part of EU under art.299 (previous 227), (4) of the EU treaty.
      Sep 13, 2002 @ 14:17 - marco_polito ("marco_polito" <marco_polito@...>)
7225. Bouvet Is.
      [Information in Norwegian only from http://www.npolar.no/n/ My translations and comments in blue letters.] Det første norske landnåmet i Antarktis skjedde
      Sep 13, 2002 @ 14:56 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@takas.lt>)
7226. Re: EU or not?
      (...)[Well, no one is living there or doing anything there that might care...] Not yet, but how long before some enterprising person tries to do a Sealand
      Sep 13, 2002 @ 14:57 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
7227. Re: EU or not?
      Jan S. Krogh wrote: Most of Bouvet Is. is consisting of ice layers, but not all. Yes, you re quite correct, but another serious problem is the fact that the
      Sep 13, 2002 @ 15:25 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
7228. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: EU or not?
      I.e. sounds like most parts of - Norway ;-))) Jan ... From: Peter Smaardijk [mailto:smaardijk@yahoo.com] Yes, you re quite correct, but another serious problem
      Sep 13, 2002 @ 15:37 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
7229. Re: Bouvet Is.
      excellent site on subantartic islands: http://www.btinternet.com/~sa_sa/
      Sep 13, 2002 @ 16:02 - marco_polito ("marco_polito" <marco_polito@...>)
7230. EU or not?
      Peter, ... You re quite right that it s not a place where entrepreneurs would physically wish to go, but it has a useful country code (BV). At the height of
      Sep 13, 2002 @ 16:17 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
7231. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: EU or not? (ERRATA CORRIGE)
      Gibraltar is definitely part of the EU, but outside the fiscal area of the EC (customs union). Just to remind the Spanish that Gibraltar is in the EU and
      Sep 13, 2002 @ 16:41 - Nicholas F Hodder ("Nicholas F Hodder" <lists@...>)
7232. Re: CANUSA visit
      thanks jan by bearage I meant too many BEARS wife has a fear of the grizzlies. If there is any one else in the group that is in western canada or the NW us
      Sep 13, 2002 @ 17:23 - zoommedix ("zoommedix" <zoomer@...>)
7233. Re: CANUSA visit
      right on peter unfortunatley my wife is smart as that area of the rockies is very populated with grizzlies, not to mention the Cougars. it would be much safer
      Sep 13, 2002 @ 17:27 - zoommedix ("zoommedix" <zoomer@...>)
7234. Re: EU or not?
      Kevin Meynell wrote: (...)At the height of the .com boom, a number of companies were interested in selling .bv domains to Dutch companies. (...) BV is
      Sep 13, 2002 @ 19:19 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
7235. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: EU or not?
      ... From: Peter Smaardijk Jan S. Krogh wrote: Most of Bouvet Is. is consisting of ice layers, but not all. Yes, you re quite correct, but another serious
      Sep 13, 2002 @ 19:40 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
7236. Re: [BoundaryPoint] EU or not (was Re: Lake Ceresio)
      Denmark, Sweden. Norway and Iceland have joined Schengen. Jesper ... From: Kevin Meynell To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002
      Sep 13, 2002 @ 19:44 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7237. Re: DE2BYHETH - pictures
      I wrote: (...)DE2BYHETH: A quarter of the stone is Thuringian. It bears the letters GSW (Grand-Duchy of Saxony-Weimar, one of the old Thuringian states).
      Sep 13, 2002 @ 19:44 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
7238. Re: Lake Ceresio
      ... DOM ... And Corsica became a collectivité territoriale in 1992, without hardly anyone noticing. But it confirms that there must be some degree of
      Sep 13, 2002 @ 22:10 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
7239. Re: Lake Ceresio
      ... a ... in ... A very fierce independence movement, with a couple of factions, some of them pretty violent. They are the most homogenously different area
      Sep 13, 2002 @ 22:22 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
7240. Re: Iron Curtain fluttering
      ... It seems Amt Neuhaus is missing in your list. A couple of communities on the north bank of the river Elbe between Niedersachsen and Mecklenburg. They used
      Sep 14, 2002 @ 07:16 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <listen@...>)
7241. Re: EU or not?
      ... Gomera, Penon de Alhucemas and the Chafarinas Islands are the only non ... A quibble: Acores & Madeira are considered to be part of Europe geographically.
      Sep 14, 2002 @ 07:31 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <listen@...>)
7242. Re: EU or not? (ERRATA CORRIGE)
      ... between ... Hmm. EU yes, but not Schengen, as the UK isn t either. But once the UK enters Schengen, Spain is in trouble :).
      Sep 14, 2002 @ 07:36 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <listen@...>)
7243. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: EU or not? (ERRATA CORRIGE)
      Freedom of movement does not necessarily mean Schengen, as freedom of movement can involve immigration controls, just as there are between the UK and France.
      Sep 14, 2002 @ 08:56 - Nicholas F Hodder ("Nicholas F Hodder" <lists@...>)
7244. RE: [BoundaryPoint] EU or not (was Re: Lake Ceresio)
      Reffering to Norway, yes from March 25th 2001, but only partly! Svalbard is according to the article 5 of the Norwegian Schengen Parliamentary bill not a
      Sep 14, 2002 @ 10:07 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
7245. pix from mini-exped. to DeDk border
      Dear BP-members, attached pls find three photographs from the last mini - expedition to the border Denmark-Germany, carried out by all three Danish border
      Sep 14, 2002 @ 14:36 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.dk>)
7246. RE: [BoundaryPoint] EU or not (was Re: Lake Ceresio)
      Jan wrote: (...)Svalbard is consisting of Spitzbergen, the adjacent islands, Bjørnøya Is. and Hopen Is., but Jan Mayen Is. is not belonging to the ... part
      Sep 14, 2002 @ 15:48 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
7247. RE: [BoundaryPoint] EU or not (was Re: Lake Ceresio)
      «Svalbard and Jan Mayen are two distinct dependencies of Norway, put here together according to the ISO-3166. Until 1995 Jan Mayen and Svalbard were governed
      Sep 14, 2002 @ 21:19 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
7248. RE: [BoundaryPoint] EU or not (was Re: Lake Ceresio)
      The Nordic Passport Union of July 12th 1957 is not valid in Faroe Is., Greenland, Svalbard Is. and Jan Mayen Is. Jan Mayen seems to be a part of Schengen, but
      Sep 14, 2002 @ 22:10 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
7249. EU or not (was Re: Lake Ceresio)
      ... Svalbard ... that term. I m interested in what usual sense you mean. They have government arrangements that are very different from the rest of Norway -
      Sep 15, 2002 @ 02:00 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
7250. Best European geographical curiosities??
      Howdy folks, Well I m finally going to Europe for the first time and was hoping you all could help direct me to the most notable (and easily accesible!)
      Sep 15, 2002 @ 04:03 - Victor Cantore (Victor Cantore <drpotatoes@...>)
7251. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Best European geographical curiosities??
      Hello Victor! Congratulations with your choice to see Europe. Going to Europe you should also see Rome - the city of all World cities (including the Vatican
      Sep 15, 2002 @ 08:48 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
7252. Re: EU or not?
      Grant ... The other issue is that Svalbard has a separate ISO code to the rest of Norway. I assume this is because of its special treaty status which grants
      Sep 15, 2002 @ 09:21 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
7253. Jan Mayen (was: EU or not )
      Here I realise have made another person s words my own. What he probably had in mind was that both Jan Mayen and Svalbard (at least regarding Norwegian
      Sep 15, 2002 @ 09:50 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
7254. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Best European geographical curiosities??
      Hello Victor, Just a quick note to tell you that if you come to Baarle, you ll be most welcome. If you like I could show you a lot of nice places in Baarle.
      Sep 15, 2002 @ 12:57 - Ed Ragas ("Ed Ragas" <edragas@...>)
7255. Re: Jan Mayen (was: EU or not)
      Jan, ... The Channel Island of Sark is pretty much an autocracy. The Seigneur leases the land (at the exorbitant rate of GBP 1.79 per annum ;-)) from the
      Sep 15, 2002 @ 13:31 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
7256. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Jan Mayen (was: EU or not)
      Kevin, Thanks for the information. After your information I may suggest that Svalbard is the biggest autocracy of West Europe. I would like to correct three
      Sep 15, 2002 @ 18:15 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
7257. Re: Jan Mayen (was: EU or not)
      Kevin Meynell wrote: The Channel Island of Sark is pretty much an autocracy. The Seigneur leases the land (at the exorbitant rate of GBP 1.79 per annum ;-))
      Sep 15, 2002 @ 18:41 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
7258. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Jan Mayen (was: EU or not)
      Jan, ... I think it s one of these claims that can never be proved. The definition of a city seems to vary between countries and I m not aware of international
      Sep 15, 2002 @ 18:48 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
7259. Commercial territories (was Re: Jan Mayen)
      Peter, ... This was actually a fairly common arrangement in the early days of colonialism. The British territories in North American were held by the London
      Sep 15, 2002 @ 19:09 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
7260. Commercial territories (was Re: Jan Mayen)
      Yes, but Leopold II was one person - hence autocracy. Peter S. ... the ... Hudson Bay ... Crown. ... the East ... annexed ... in the ... also ... West Indies
      Sep 15, 2002 @ 20:06 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
7261. Re: Jan Mayen (was: EU or not)
      ... definition ... The same thing is going on at the other end of the world: the Argentinians describe Ushuaia as the southernmost town in the world , while
      Sep 15, 2002 @ 21:37 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
7262. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Jan Mayen (was: EU or not)
      ... City is a bit of a difficult definition. Only recently Michael Donner denounced my claim that Comines was a double-town on both sides of the border. I
      Sep 15, 2002 @ 21:44 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
7263. Interesting Picture of Lebanon-Israel
      http://www.isayeret.com/vehicles/hummer/14.jpg Mike
      Sep 15, 2002 @ 23:13 - Mike ("Mike" <mls515@...>)
7264. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Interesting Picture of Lebanon-Israel
      ... From: Mike To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 6:13 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Interesting Picture of Lebanon-Israel
      Sep 15, 2002 @ 23:47 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
7265. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Jan Mayen (was: EU or not)
      According to what I found on the net the population of that city is 50 persons. It seems all are at CFS Alert. Earlier it used to be 200 personell there.
      Sep 16, 2002 @ 08:25 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
7266. Re: EU or not?
      ... those ... I agree; Madeira cannot be considered anything but Europe, Açores are on the mid-atlantinc ridge so they cannot be said as belonging to any
      Sep 16, 2002 @ 08:24 - marco_polito ("marco_polito" <marco_polito@...>)
7267. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Jan Mayen (was: EU or not)
      Kevin, I am sorry I wrote city . Probably I should have been writing town . (In Norwegian it is the same one word for both the English words, and American
      Sep 16, 2002 @ 08:35 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
7268. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Jan Mayen (was: EU or not)
      Jan, ... Yes, this is yet another issue. I believe it s also the same in Dutch - stad refers to both a town and city - although there is the rather contrived
      Sep 16, 2002 @ 09:07 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
7269. Re: Jan Mayen (was: EU or not)
      I have told this before here, but in the Netherlands there are no cities officially, except for Amsterdam that is the capital ( hoofdstad ) of the Netherlands
      Sep 16, 2002 @ 09:18 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
7270. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Jan Mayen (was: EU or not)
      Kevin, Concerning Hammerfest I presume the population of the town itself was 6,488 on Jan 1st 1999. The question is therefor: Does it excist a bigger town
      Sep 16, 2002 @ 09:20 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
7271. Re: EU or not?
      ... any ... But so is Iceland, yet it s considered part of Europe. Regards
      Sep 16, 2002 @ 10:02 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <listen@...>)
7272. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Jan Mayen (was: EU or not)
      ... In order not to create any misconception, I deed not actually mean a town with a population bigger than 6,488 - but a town with a population higher than
      Sep 16, 2002 @ 10:48 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
7273. Re: Jan Mayen (was: EU or not)
      Barrow, Alaska, is north of Hammerfest, and approaching the Norwegian town fast as far as population is concerned): 2,207 (1980); 3,469 (1990); 4,581 (2000).
      Sep 16, 2002 @ 10:58 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
7274. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Jan Mayen (was: EU or not)
      As far as I know, Brunei is almost wholly the Sultan s domain, so it might be the closest an independent country comes to an autocracy. Then again, the
      Sep 16, 2002 @ 14:12 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
7275. Re: Jan Mayen (was: EU or not)
      ... Donner ... the ... are ... Netherlands, ... story, ... the ... they ... hahahahaha i didnt denounce anything you dear jerk as anyone can see by referring
      Sep 16, 2002 @ 21:33 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7276. Re: Jan Mayen (was: EU or not)
      It s Mike again!... ... The ... of ... of ... there ... merged ... without ... of ... OK wrong word. You didn t like it... ... But I didn t disqualify
      Sep 16, 2002 @ 21:45 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
7277. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Best European geographical curiosities??
      If Baarle becomes a destination, you could surf to http://home.wanadoo.nl/~eefberns/index.html and find the corrected topographical maps in the Baarle
      Sep 17, 2002 @ 06:17 - Eef Berns ("Eef Berns" <eefberns@...>)
7278. Use of "subject"
      Hi everybody, thaks for this very good site: http://home.wanadoo.nl/~eefberns/index.html I am aware that I am the last arrived; but still can I propose(for the
      Sep 17, 2002 @ 09:16 - marco_polito ("marco_polito" <marco_polito@...>)
7279. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Tp3
      The tree is not known to be planted at the tp. Danish municipality borders are not marked, and the authorities involved did not want to pay a surveyer to mark
      Sep 17, 2002 @ 19:35 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7280. Re: Tp3 -> tp2 & tp3 in DK & NL (& elsewhere)
      ... borders are not marked, and the authorities involved did not want to pay a surveyer to mark the spot for the purpose. ... It would be nice, though. Do
      Sep 17, 2002 @ 21:36 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
7281. no-nosu army major (rtd.) mad
      Kurthi raser mot grensevakta PASVIK: Tidligere major og leder for grensestasjonen på Svanvik, Oskar Kurthi raser nå mot praksisen til grensevakta etter han
      Sep 17, 2002 @ 22:35 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
7282. Re: no-nosu army major (rtd.) mad
      & reason to be mad. Stupid draftsmen... Only, if he had been a former border guard on the other side, the story would have been a bit different, perhaps.
      Sep 17, 2002 @ 22:59 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
7283. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Jan Mayen (was: EU or not)
      ... thanx so much but you are at it again o great smaarmy & i really must call you on it again & again until you get it for you do so deceive yourself please
      Sep 17, 2002 @ 23:56 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
7284. Vermont - Quebec
      The Great New England Border Expedition is over. It concluded last night as I drove into Times Square at midnight (Monday). Fun!! I met up with Mike Kaufman
      Sep 18, 2002 @ 00:38 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
7285. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Another County Fragment in Tennessee
      Yes, thank you! The more Mike s, the better! acroorca2002 wrote:old news but while on the subject of belated welcomes mike let me assure you an earlier try by
      Sep 18, 2002 @ 05:08 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
7286. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Vermont - Quebec
      Not to mention me locking my keys in the car, and having to get a coat hanger (from Canada) to use for breaking into my car (in the U.S.). Thankfully, Doug
      Sep 18, 2002 @ 05:34 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
7287. Next border expedition a reality now!
      Dear BP-members, inevitable! More wants more ! Our next border expedition is a reality now: the GBBE (Great Baltic Border Expedition) will be carried out
      Sep 18, 2002 @ 07:32 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.dk>)
7288. NOSU Border
      I am not familiar with two-letters country codes; NOSU stands for NOrway-former-SovietUnion?
      Sep 18, 2002 @ 08:39 - marco_polito ("marco_polito" <marco_polito@...>)
7289. Mr. M Donner
      Sorry if I may sound naïf; is Mr. M Donner normal?
      Sep 18, 2002 @ 08:44 - marco_polito ("marco_polito" <marco_polito@...>)
7290. Re: [BoundaryPoint] NOSU Border
      Yes! So nowadays it s NORU. The two letter country codes are the ISO ones (there is a link to them in the links section). It is interesting to see that apart
      Sep 18, 2002 @ 08:45 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
7291. Re: NOSU Border -> ISO codes for former countries
      An interesting article I just came across: http://www.iso.ch/iso/en/commcentre/pdf/Codes0004.pdf So the Former Soviet-Union should be SUHH. This is ISO 3166-3.
      Sep 18, 2002 @ 10:40 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
7292. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: NOSU Border -> ISO codes for former countries
      I always thought NOSU could be confused with Norway-Finland in the respective native languages: Norge-Suomi ... Bill
      Sep 18, 2002 @ 10:59 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
7293. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
      Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File :
      Sep 18, 2002 @ 11:02 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com (BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com )
7294. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
      Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File :
      Sep 18, 2002 @ 11:03 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com (BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com )
7295. Re: NOSU Border -> ISO codes for former countries
      It shouldn t be confusing: according to the ISO language codes, the code for Finnish is fi. Norwegian is no. (ISO 639-1) Peter S.
      Sep 18, 2002 @ 11:04 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
7296. Re: NOSU Border -> ISO codes for former countries
      No, that s not what you meant! I understand now. But all the more reason to stick with ISO. Peter S.
      Sep 18, 2002 @ 11:06 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
7297. Koreas Simultaneously Start Work on Cross-Border Railways and Roads
      Sep 18, 2002 Koreas Simultaneously Start Work on Cross-Border Railways and Roads By Jae-Suk Yoo Associated Press Writer DORASAN TRAIN STATION, South Korea (AP)
      Sep 18, 2002 @ 11:08 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
7298. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ISO codes for former countries
      ... Yes, the former code for the Soviet Union (SU) has long since been deprecated although it still lives on as a ccTLD. There has actually been a lot of
      Sep 18, 2002 @ 11:12 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
7299. RE: [BoundaryPoint] NOSU Border
      Yes, the army major served at the Norwegian-Soviet border (nosu), but of course today the enlisted borders the Norwegian-Russian (noru) border. My mistyping.
      Sep 18, 2002 @ 12:34 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
7300. Re: NOSU Border -> ISO codes for former countries
      I agree! What I had meant to say that NOSU always suggested Norge- Suomi in my mind...but not to be confused with ISO. Bill
      Sep 18, 2002 @ 12:56 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
7301. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Vermont - Quebec
      - Having many, many chances to explain the reason for being on the border to Border Patrol agents, Immigration officials and Customs officers. After a while,
      Sep 18, 2002 @ 17:35 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7302. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Vermont - Quebec
      I cannot believe these folks at the world most friendliest border can be so much on your back. In Eastern Europe we could have been arrested many times, but
      Sep 18, 2002 @ 17:38 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7303. Re: Mr. M Donner
      ... No: he s extraordinary :) Grant
      Sep 18, 2002 @ 19:19 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
7304. Re: EU or not on the Euro
      marco_polito wrote: (...) 2) Guyane Française, Martinique, Guadeloupe, La Réunion, Açores, Madeira, Canary Islands, Ceuta, Melilla, Penon de Velez de la
      Sep 19, 2002 @ 12:46 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
7305. Re: [BoundaryPoint] EU or not on the Euro
      ... The initial design for the coins also made Portugal part of Spain, which the Portugese obviously weren t too pleased about. Needless to say, the final
      Sep 19, 2002 @ 13:10 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
7306. Moving borders
      I would like to draw you attention on moving borders; that s on places that have frequently chanced the state to which they belong. Four come to my mind: 1)
      Sep 19, 2002 @ 14:38 - marco_polito ("marco_polito" <marco_polito@...>)
7307. Re: Mr. M Donner
      ... its perfectly ok marco for he is glad you have finally reached here in any condition & normality is not an issue for him anyway since how could it matter
      Sep 19, 2002 @ 19:12 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7308. RE: [BoundaryPoint] EU or not on the Euro
      The main idea for the bank notes as far as I have understood was to picture something which could not be linked to any special country, because each country
      Sep 19, 2002 @ 20:09 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
7309. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Moving borders
      marco_polito [mailto:marco_polito@yahoo.fr] 1) Klaipeda (formerly Memel) until 1568: Polish-Lithuania until 1629: Polish until 1635: Sweden until 1757: Poland
      Sep 19, 2002 @ 20:58 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
7310. Re: [BoundaryPoint] EU or not on the Euro -> ZA passport
      Talking about maps on documents: My wife s South African passport has a map of the country in the inner covers, but the map includes Lesotho and Swaziland.
      Sep 19, 2002 @ 21:03 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7311. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Jan Mayen (was: EU or not)
      I have got an answer from the Bodoe police confirming that Jan Mayen is a part of the Schengen area, but foreigners must apply for permission to land. The
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 07:07 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
7312. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Vermont - Quebec
      Pre 9-11 was much easier. In fact, I rarely saw a border patrol car. Now they re common. Part of the problem is that there are three US agencies that don t
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 07:29 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
7313. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Jan Mayen (was: EU or not)
      I came to the same result. One thing made me wonder a bit. On this map http://climate.gi.alaska.edu/history/Arctic/BarrMap.gif I found that around Barrow there
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 07:50 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
7314. Re: EU or not on the Euro
      Kevin Meynell wrote: (...)If they must have a map, then it should just be a generic representation of Europe with no borders. (...) But Europe isn t an
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 08:49 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
7315. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Moving borders
      ... From: Jan S. Krogh To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 10:58 PM Subject: RE: [BoundaryPoint] Moving borders marco_polito
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 09:03 - chris ("chris" <wertkauf@...>)
7316. Re: [BoundaryPoint] EU or not on the Euro
      Peter, ... This could also open a whole can of worms about whether the name European Union was appropriate ;-) Regards, Kevin Meynell
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 09:13 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
7317. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: EU or not on the Euro
      Cyprus is Asia. Jan
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 09:19 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
7318. Re: EU or not on the Euro
      ... Actually the map on the coins is supposed to show EU member countries, regardless if they use the Euro or not (whilst the banknotes show a map of Europe,
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 09:25 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <listen@...>)
7319. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Moving borders
      Chris, Very nice to hear. The first Lithuanian languaged book («Martynas Mažvydas Katekizmusa prasti žadei...» ) was printed on January 8th 1547 at
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 09:30 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
7320. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: EU or not on the Euro
      I d say so, yes. But do they? With French DOM s in the EU, Spanish bits of territory outside Europe as well, Cyprus that s going to join it, Turkey maybe
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 09:29 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
7321. Re: EU or not on the Euro
      ... seen ... This is where the banknote design is inconsequent. It shows a _geographical_ map of Europe, but non-Europen EU territories are included, which is
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 09:30 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <listen@...>)
7322. Re: EU or not on the Euro
      ... Is it? As I said a couple of days before, the definition of continents is but a convention, but again the one I m familiar with says Cyprus is in Europe.
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 09:31 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <listen@...>)
7323. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: EU or not on the Euro
      ... Sorry? What country is this? Peter S. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 09:32 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
7324. WHAT IS THE WARMEST PART OF EUROPE
      I BELIEVE THAT IT IS SUMMERWISE THE AREA AROUND SEVILLE IN SPAIN, WITH JULY TEMPATURE AROUND 40 C. DOES ANYONE HAVE INFORMATION ON THIS NON-BORDER TOPIC?
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 09:35 - Bill Burke ("Bill Burke" <bill@...>)
7325. Re: EU or not on the Euro
      ... But that s a different cup of tea. The EBU (European Broadcasting Union, who organise the Eurovision song contest) has a couple of non- European members:
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 09:38 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <listen@...>)
7326. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: EU or not on the Euro
      The European Commonwealth of Nations – or the European Reich ? ;-))) Jan The European Commonwealth of Nations – or the European Reich ? ;-))) Jan
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 09:40 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
7327. Re: EU or not on the Euro
      ... Eek! Denmark. My fingers slipped while typing. Yahoo has garbled my lovingly crafted table anyway. All the spaces were removed, which makes is ugly. Sorry!
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 09:41 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <listen@...>)
7328. Re: EU or not on the Euro
      ... Funny man! No, it s European that is going to be a problem! Peter S.
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 09:41 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
7329. Re: WHAT IS THE WARMEST PART OF EUROPE
      ... WITH JULY TEMPATURE AROUND 40 C. DOES ANYONE HAVE INFORMATION ON THIS NON-BORDER TOPIC? Define warmest . Highes max? Highest average? Highest lows?
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 09:42 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <listen@...>)
7330. Re: EU or not on the Euro
      OK! I thought it was some strange slavic-speaking country. You know, the one with signs saying Pozor! Debnarj at the border. Peter S.
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 09:43 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
7331. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: WHAT IS THE WARMEST PART OF EUROPE
      GOOD POINT. PERHAPS WE CAN HAVE ANSWERS UNDER ALL THESES HEADINGS? ... From: anorak222 [mailto:listen@wschwanke.de] Sent: 20 September 2002 10:43 To:
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 09:46 - Bill Burke ("Bill Burke" <bill@...>)
7332. Re: WHAT IS THE WARMEST PART OF EUROPE
      ... If we define the Canaries as Europe, then they win in the max average and max low competition. If not, my vote goes for Crete as warmest average. Parts of
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 09:52 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <listen@...>)
7333. Re: [BoundaryPoint] EU or not on the Euro
      ... According to the UN definitions, Cyprus is in Asia... http://www.un.org/Depts/unsd/methods/m49regin.htm These definitions actually give no end of grief. In
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 09:59 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
7334. Re: Moving borders
      Who could ask for more? Congratulations! ... give up ... the ... Union
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 10:21 - marco_polito ("marco_polito" <marco_polito@...>)
7335. Re: EU or not on the Euro -> ZA passport -> F Passport
      ... inner covers, but the map includes Lesotho and Swaziland. ... My passport has a map. On all its inners pages. A nice Hexagone ;-)
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 10:24 - marco_polito ("marco_polito" <marco_polito@...>)
7336. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: WHAT IS THE WARMEST PART OF EUROPE
      CANARIES ARE NOT THAT HOT IN SUMMER AND ARE THEY IN EUROPE? ... From: anorak222 [mailto:listen@wschwanke.de] Sent: 20 September 2002 10:52 To:
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 10:26 - Bill Burke ("Bill Burke" <bill@...>)
7337. Re: EU or not on the Euro
      Therefore you re saying that the EU s neither European, nor an Union?
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 10:29 - marco_polito ("marco_polito" <marco_polito@...>)
7338. Cypus
      Europe, unlike other continents, is not defined on a geographical basis, but on a cultural basis. Cyprus is Europe.
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 10:49 - marco_polito ("marco_polito" <marco_polito@...>)
7339. Re: EU or not on the Euro
      ... European Zollverein
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 10:51 - marco_polito ("marco_polito" <marco_polito@...>)
7340. Re: EU or not on the Euro -> ZA passport
      The South African embassy in the Netherlands does the same thing... I wonder how Lesotho and Swaziland feel about this? http://www.zuidafrika.nl/default.htm
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 11:17 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
7341. Re: [BoundaryPoint] EU or not on the Euro
      ... The organisation I work for uses the term Trans-European to cover Europe, North Africa and the Middle East. Unfortunately, this still has the problem
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 11:37 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
7342. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Cypus
      So Bosnia i Hercegovina is Asia? ... From: marco_polito [mailto:marco_polito@yahoo.fr] Sent: 20. september 2002 12:50 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 11:36 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
7343. Re: [BoundaryPoint] EU or not on the Euro
      Hope it s clear after this Europe: In Europe, 261 million people in 21 countries and territories with 2,252,526 km² use the Euro or a currency pegged to it.
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 11:44 - Franc Van Diest ("Franc Van Diest" <franc@vdiest.nl>)
7344. RE: [BoundaryPoint] EU or not on the Euro
      Thanks Frank, Lithuania is forgotten on the map as well as all the Asia...? Jan ... From: Franc Van Diest [mailto:franc@vdiest.nl] Sent: 20. september 2002
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 12:04 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
7345. Re: Vermont - Quebec
      OK, I can t wait...gotta ask... Doug, were you able to get a fix on the Derby Line bridge relative to the border? Bill
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 12:13 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
7346. Re: [BoundaryPoint] EU or not on the Euro
      Hallo Jan Perhaps you missed it in the list Lithuania a.. Lithuania, independant country 1 ? = 3.4528 Litas Asia ? Euro ? As far as I know only East Timor uses
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 12:25 - Franc Van Diest ("Franc Van Diest" <franc@...>)
7347. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: EU or not on the Euro -> ZA passport
      How do you expect a SA (ZA) (RSA) map to look without showing those two countries ? Franc ... From: Peter Smaardijk To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent:
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 12:27 - Franc Van Diest ("Franc Van Diest" <franc@...>)
7348. Re: EU or not on the Euro -> ZA passport
      Punch two holes in it, one on the side and one in the middle. Not that difficult, I think. Peter S. ... two countries ? ... thing... I ... the ... Service.
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 12:29 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
7349. RE: [BoundaryPoint] EU or not on the Euro
      OK. Strange no Asian area is using the euro. Regarding Lithuania I only had the map in mind. (Lithuania is missing.) Best regards, Jan ... From: Franc Van
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 12:31 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
7350. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cypus
      There are other points of interest !? If you look at the international telephone codes you will see that both Cyprus and Turkey are on the Asia (middle East)
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 12:32 - Franc Van Diest ("Franc Van Diest" <franc@...>)
7351. RE: [BoundaryPoint] EU or not on the Euro
      Depends on where you draw the continent borders. Kerguelen? Peter S. ... __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 12:35 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
7352. Re: [BoundaryPoint] EU or not on the Euro
      It is only missing on the map because it is not an Euro country yet Ragards Franc ... From: Jan S. Krogh To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday,
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 12:40 - Franc Van Diest ("Franc Van Diest" <franc@...>)
7353. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: EU or not on the Euro -> ZA passport
      That would still mark both countries as both not belonging not to South Africa I lived in ZA for 15 years and my wife is also a south african (white) regards
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 12:42 - Franc Van Diest ("Franc Van Diest" <franc@...>)
7354. Re: EU or not on the Euro -> ZA passport
      I thought that was the point. The maps do include both countries now. Did I mis(interpret) something? Peter S. ... South Africa ... (white)
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 12:45 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
7355. Re: [BoundaryPoint] EU or not on the Euro
      Also that was answered Beside these, there are the French Southern Territories (Amsterdam, Crozet, Kerguelen and St-Paul), 7822 km² only inhabited by
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 12:52 - Franc Van Diest ("Franc Van Diest" <franc@...>)
7356. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: EU or not on the Euro -> ZA passport
      If you look at a map like this How can you exclude those countries ? They are both within South Africa ! Its like showing a map the Netherlands without
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 13:02 - Franc Van Diest ("Franc Van Diest" <franc@vdiest.nl>)
7357. Re: EU or not on the Euro
      ... Crozet, ... well as ... Well, my question was not about whether they use the euro there (as a matter of fact they were the very first to use it), but
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 13:04 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
7358. Re: EU or not on the Euro -> ZA passport
      http://www.self.org/images/Project%20Maps/South%20Africa.gif Peter S. ... now. ... to
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 13:05 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
7359. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: EU or not on the Euro -> ZA passport
      Something like this...? Jan ... From: Peter Smaardijk [mailto:smaardijk@yahoo.com] Sent: 20. september 2002 14:29 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Subject:
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 13:08 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@takas.lt>)
7360. Re: EU or not on the Euro -> ZA passport
      Great! Can you forward it to the ambassador? ;-)) Peter S. ... those ... passport ... in ... Service.
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 13:08 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
7361. RE: [BoundaryPoint] EU or not on the Euro
      Yes, just as much as Estonia and Bulgaria are. The national currency is pegged to euro. Jan ... From: Franc Van Diest [mailto:franc@vdiest.nl] Sent: 20.
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 13:10 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
7362. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: EU or not on the Euro
      If you would like to go into discussing continental borders, i have a lot of info for you to solve How can the Kerguelen, etc. be part of Asia ? They are in
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 13:15 - Franc Van Diest ("Franc Van Diest" <franc@...>)
7363. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: EU or not on the Euro -> ZA passport
      Frank, Your map file seems to be a gif file, not a jpeg file. Jan ... From: Franc Van Diest [mailto:franc@vdiest.nl] Sent: 20. september 2002 15:03 To:
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 13:18 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
7364. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re:Eu Russia
      Let s start with difining the Europa / Assia border Europa / Russia send to see if you agree If not let me know Regards Franc
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 13:34 - Franc Van Diest ("Franc Van Diest" <franc@vdiest.nl>)
7365. Asia or Europe
      Do I like to think of Cyprus as Europe? Yeah, but the decision by UN to chose them as Asian is very logical. Think about it. Cyprus is between Egypt, which
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 14:25 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
7366. Re: Asia or Europe
      Arif Samad wrote: (...)By the way, saying Europe is a cultural entity is almost laughable. Brits, Australians and Americans are probably closer culturally
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 15:05 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
7367. Re: EU or not on the Euro
      ... to ... as ... I like this map: http://userpage.fu- berlin.de/~tmuehle/europa/europa/europadat/europa_karte.htm Of course it has no official status, and I
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 15:20 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <listen@...>)
7368. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Asia or Europe
      Arif, ... I think you need to take both geophysical and cultural ties into account. Clearly Australia and New Zealand are so far removed from Europe that it
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 15:28 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
7369. Re: Asia or Europe
      ... Likewhere there are several points who claim themselves midpoint of Europe. Of course it depends on how you measure - even if the border is agreed you
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 15:32 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <listen@...>)
7370. Vermont - Quebec pictures
      Here are some still images I took with my video camera. Photographs are coming soon. Descriptions: house-looking-east.jpg is the home of Dora and Lyle
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 15:41 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
7371. Re: Cypus
      ... both Cyprus and Turkey are on the Asia (middle East) exchange Shall we base our continent categories on the technical considerations of telecom boards. The
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 15:47 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <listen@...>)
7372. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Asia or Europe
      I don t know if I agree 100 % with you. Some local Russians here has told me that there is something in their songs and myths which says that they are more
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 15:52 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
7373. Quebec - Vermont
      I should also add that the boundary marker shown in the picture looking east at the Hurtibuse house is a new one -- placed there in 1997. I can t recall the
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 15:50 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@...>)
7374. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Asia or Europe
      Kevin, That was actually my point that you need to take both into account and get to a happy medium somewhere. My arguments was 1) Cyprus isn t as clear cut
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 16:08 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
7375. Re: EU or not on the Euro
      ... there s ... even ... we ... connected ... that s ... etc etc etc first congrats to you one & all for this unprecedented free for all which has created
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 18:13 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7376. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: EU or not on the Euro
      Can our European members fill me in on the status of Switzerland? With so many countries clammoring to join the EU, many that may not even been European
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 18:17 - Victor Cantore (Victor Cantore <drpotatoes@...>)
7377. Yahoo! News Story - Photos - Asia
      Doug Murray (doug@dougmurrayproductions.com) has sent you a news article. (Email address has not been verified.) Personal message: Korea border snap. Photos -
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 18:37 - Yahoo! News (Yahoo! News <doug@...>)
7378. Re: Asia or Europe
      ... good show & nice to see our border crosses & quintipoints added there too m
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 18:42 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7379. Re: Best European geographical curiosities??
      ... most ... hi ed from me too one place in baarle i for one would like to get a better look at from as many angles as possible perhaps thru one of your
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 18:58 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7380. Re: EU or not on the Euro -> ZA passport
      ... also they are the necessary eye & mouth holes to help south africa look more exactly like a rhino head in profile with ears cocked m
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 19:12 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7381. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: EU or not on the Euro -> ZA passport
      And where is the horn then, mike? ... From: acroorca2002 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 9:12 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint]
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 19:18 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7382. Fw: Vermont - Quebec pictures (Resend)
      ... From: Doug Murray Productions To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 8:41 AM Subject: Vermont - Quebec pictures Here are some
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 19:22 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
7383. Re: EU or not on the Euro -> ZA passport
      ... er well it is a small horn because this is a rather stunted kalahari desert rhino the tip of it being at werda wsw of gaborone m ... africa ... Service.
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 19:24 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7384. Re: EU or not on the Euro
      ... i am of european ancestry & i think switzerland is actually the eye of the tiger so it too has to be a hole m
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 19:34 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7385. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Vermont - Quebec pictures
      Great shots Doug! A few questions when you get a chance: Pavement-Change: In which direction is the camera facing? Vermont marker: Is there any inscription on
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 21:10 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
7386. FW: [BoundaryPoint] Vermont - Quebec pictures
      With regard to the Pavement Change photo: It looks like that might be a small welcome to Vermont sign on the left? Bill
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 21:13 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
7387. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Vermont - Quebec pictures
      And the divided house in the background. Jesper ... From: Bill Hanrahan To: BoundaryPoint Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 11:13 PM Subject: FW:
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 21:17 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7388. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Vermont - Quebec pictures
      You re quite right Jesper...it confirms the orientation. Sometimes I can t see the forest through the trees I guess... Bill
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 21:20 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
7389. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Vermont - Quebec pictures
      Ah... Pavement marking: Quebec to the right -- with the Hurtubise s farmhouse in the background (looking West). As for the VT marker... I believe it said
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 21:30 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
7390. USMX tripoints
      I recently took the trip east into the desert and I have these wonderful photos of the CABCAZ & BCAZSN tripoints along the USMX border near Yuma, AZ. Nearly a
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 21:31 - Victor Cantore (Victor Cantore <drpotatoes@yahoo.com>)
7391. VT-NY border crossing
      Not as exciting as an international boundary, but quite scenic. This is a shot from my ferry ride across Lake Champlain this past Monday. You re looking east
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 21:37 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
7392. Grenzland [DDR-BRD]
      From one of Canada s national papers: http://www.globeandmail.com/series/field/stories/freeman02.html Doug
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 22:13 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@...>)
7393. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Vermont - Quebec
      The bridge is north of the border... the river has nothing to do with the boundary here -- it is completely in Canada. Attached is a poor map poorly drawn by
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 22:46 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
7394. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Vermont - Quebec
      Doug, thanks for clearing up that 25 year old mystery for me. I knew the river had no direct bearing with the boundary, but had always (erroneously) suspected
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 23:19 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
7395. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Vermont - Quebec
      I ll have much better pictures soon... and Mike Kaufman should have some too, as he was snapping away while we were there. Doug ... From: Bill Hanrahan To:
      Sep 20, 2002 @ 23:49 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
7396. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Vermont - Quebec
      Doug, Thanks for all the pictures and the information. How is it possible that so many houses are penetrated by the border?!? It looks for me like it was done
      Sep 21, 2002 @ 09:37 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
7397. Re: EU or not on the Euro
      ... Not necessarily a bad positon from their POV. Anyway, Switzerland is not in the EU yet, but it has signed a couple of contracts about liberalising border
      Sep 21, 2002 @ 09:42 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <listen@...>)
7398. Re: [BoundaryPoint] EU or not on the Euro
      ... Switzerland also participates in many EU activities such as EURATOM and the information technology programme. Regards, Kevin Meynell
      Sep 21, 2002 @ 10:16 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
7399. EU and other European countries (-> Was: EU or not on the Euro)
      Victor, This you are here entering a very interesting problem seen from my point. Switzerland is not a EU member country, but I feel that is not the same as
      Sep 21, 2002 @ 11:34 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
7400. Re: EU and other European countries (-> Was: EU or not on the Euro)
      ... time. ... different ... to ... long if it ... I agree! It should strive to become a cooperative of independent nations, not one country. It should also
      Sep 21, 2002 @ 12:58 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <listen@...>)
7401. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Vermont - Quebec
      From what I can tell, many of the buildings are old (the Haskell dates back to 1901) and were built when the border didn t have as much meaning. Some, I m
      Sep 21, 2002 @ 13:27 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
7402. Re: Vermont - Quebec
      Cool pics doug hope to go there some day
      Sep 21, 2002 @ 14:18 - zoommedix ("zoommedix" <zoomer@...>)
7403. Cabinda Enclave Liberation Front
      http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/2271768.stm here s another enclave story in the news... tim
      Sep 21, 2002 @ 15:01 - timothykiser ("timothykiser" <timothykiser@...>)
7404. Re: USMX tripoints
      nice going victor for it looks like you climbed at least 1 of the towers & have made at least a close visit to both these difficult tripoints for which i
      Sep 21, 2002 @ 15:05 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7405. Old Canada - US border marker
      This is a picture of the border marker that was replaced on the Hurtubise Farm in Richford, Vermont. It was removed to make way for a new marker in 1999.
      Sep 21, 2002 @ 21:53 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
7406. Vermont - Quebec: More photos!
      More from the Hurtubise (correct spelling) Farm on the VT-PQ border (Richmond Vermont - Stanstead PQ): #1 (001) -- The Hurtubise home -- Canada is to the left
      Sep 21, 2002 @ 22:08 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
7407. Vermont - Quebec: Canusa Ave!
      And now we have some pictures of the infamous, though poorly marked, Canusa Avenue. Location: Beebe Plain, VT -- Beebe, Quebec (also part of Stanstead). #1
      Sep 21, 2002 @ 22:55 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
7408. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Vermont - Quebec
      Yes...great photos Doug. Mine will be up after the 26th. I still can not believe how far that Welcome to Vermont sign was inside Quebec - somewhat
      Sep 22, 2002 @ 05:45 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
7409. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Vermont - Quebec
      Congratulations to you both you and Doug, Mike. Great pictures! I don t suppose Lyle was willing to sell that monument...? Then again, getting it home in
      Sep 22, 2002 @ 13:16 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
7410. Re: Vermont - Quebec
      ... the ... officers. After ... border ... actually this sounds fairly tame to me but if you do like to feel your eyeballs bulge & hair stand on end then try
      Sep 22, 2002 @ 17:45 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7411. SV: [BoundaryPoint] EU or not on the Euro
      I don t get this. Only the European Union without the non-Euro countries (UK, Sweden and Denmark) has 301,8 million people. (Source: Europeiska Unionen, (c)
      Sep 23, 2002 @ 11:22 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
7412. Re: [BoundaryPoint] EU or not on the Euro
      Yes, but some women spend so much money they count for two :-) Jesper ... From: Christian Berghänel To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September
      Sep 23, 2002 @ 15:41 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7413. Re: [BoundaryPoint] EU or not on the Euro
      ... Come on, Jesper, that is the kind of attitude that gets us laughed at by women for being a border freak............ Kidding. ... Could it be that the list
      Sep 23, 2002 @ 17:06 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
7414. fresh bwnazmzw try
      http://www.up.ac.za/academic/libarts/polsci/awiru/gallery/0073.html
      Sep 23, 2002 @ 18:22 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7415. the great jungholz quadripoint visited quietly
      hey whats going on did you guys catch one on the side or did i just sleep thru this http://home.no.net/enklaver/z_jungholz.htm mats &or jan were apparently
      Sep 23, 2002 @ 19:07 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7416. Re: Vermont - Quebec
      You really need to be complemented more than you are! I ve taken a fraction of these kinds of photos exactly because of the aggravations by the Border Patrol
      Sep 23, 2002 @ 19:14 - averillhecht ("averillhecht" <alhecht@...>)
7417. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Vermont - Quebec
      I personally feel there should be no border between out two great nations, but that s another conversation. Averill If there weren t a border,
      Sep 23, 2002 @ 19:28 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7418. Re: Vermont - Quebec
      Good point. Then let s expand the CANPASS system to all crossings, in both direction, so law abiding citizens of both Canada and the US can cross with the
      Sep 23, 2002 @ 20:08 - averillhecht ("averillhecht" <alhecht@...>)
7419. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Vermont - Quebec
      USA and Canada should copy Schengen, but with 9-11 it would surely take generations. Jesper ... From: averillhecht To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent:
      Sep 23, 2002 @ 20:13 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7420. Quiz question
      In what state do you find the Statue of Liberty? Jesper
      Sep 23, 2002 @ 21:05 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7421. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Quiz question
      New York enclave within New Jersey. ... From: Jesper Nielsen [mailto:jesniel@image.dk] Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 5:06 PM To:
      Sep 23, 2002 @ 21:07 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
7422. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Quiz question
      New York, although that has been disputed from time to time by the state of New Jersey. ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent:
      Sep 23, 2002 @ 21:13 - Jon Amato ("Jon Amato" <jamato@...>)
7423. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Quiz question
      And settled by the U.S. Supreme Court. ... From: Jon Amato [mailto:jamato@bellsouth.net] Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 5:14 PM To:
      Sep 23, 2002 @ 21:16 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
7424. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Quiz question
      Hm. I know there was a dispute settled by the US Supreme court about 5 years ago over Ellis Island (New Jersey v. New York, 523 US 767 (1998)), but I didn t
      Sep 23, 2002 @ 21:38 - Jon Amato ("Jon Amato" <jamato@...>)
7425. Washington - British Columbia -- Is the 49th the border? Legal stuff
      Here s some legal documentation regarding a case in Washington State. Basically the state constitution defines the northern limit of the state as the 49th
      Sep 23, 2002 @ 21:46 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@...>)
7426. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Quiz question
      Jon, thanks for the clarification. You re right about Ellis Island...I believe that New York got the lions share of Ellis. I ve been under the impression
      Sep 23, 2002 @ 21:51 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
7427. Washington - British Columbia border
      The previous message was the dissenting opinion of the court. Here is the decision: ID=694176MAJ Supreme Court of the State of Washington Opinion Information
      Sep 23, 2002 @ 21:52 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@...>)
7428. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Vermont - Quebec
      I look forward to seeing what your eyes saw! I think that I will ask Lyle to pass on the border marker to me if he s just going to let it sit there... I
      Sep 23, 2002 @ 22:29 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
7429. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Quiz question
      Interestingly enough, New Jersey got most of Ellis Island. It s an interesting story, actually: at the time the original boundary was defined, NJ owned the
      Sep 23, 2002 @ 22:32 - Jon Amato ("Jon Amato" <jamato@...>)
7430. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Vermont - Quebec
      I can only imagine USMX. I find my border stressful because US agents can impose 5 year entry bans (with no appeal) on the spot. And you never know when
      Sep 23, 2002 @ 22:32 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
7431. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Vermont - Quebec
      Averill: Thanks for the kind words. You re right -- everything the Mike and I were doing was completely legal. Unless we were on federal property, we are
      Sep 23, 2002 @ 22:43 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
7432. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Vermont - Quebec
      Do we need a border? I suppose. Does it need to be as controlled? Nope. I think it should be like the EU -- an outer border with strict controls and
      Sep 23, 2002 @ 22:51 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
7433. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Vermont - Quebec
      Geez...just how do they *DO* that? :-) Bill
      Sep 23, 2002 @ 23:00 - Bill Hanrahan, W1WH ("Bill Hanrahan, W1WH" <hanrahan@...>)
7434. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Washington - British Columbia border
      I m wondering: (1) What was the nature of the crimes in question? The decision references the defendants being searched at customs stations. I would have
      Sep 23, 2002 @ 23:39 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
7435. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: USMX tripoints
      Hi Mike, I didn t climb either of the towers as I had my car parked and had walked a bit and didn t like leaving it for too long. Also, the border patrol agent
      Sep 24, 2002 @ 02:01 - Victor Cantore (Victor Cantore <drpotatoes@yahoo.com>)
7436. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Quiz question
      I second Jon s ignorance on the fact that Liberty Island had a supreme court case over it. When was it and what was the decision? As there was no landfill,
      Sep 24, 2002 @ 03:22 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
7437. Re: Vermont - Quebec
      ... I were doing was completely legal. Unless we were on federal property, we are allowed to photograph all we want. I can understand the concerns of the
      Sep 24, 2002 @ 05:06 - averillhecht ("averillhecht" <alhecht@...>)
7438. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: USMX tripoints
      Hello Victor, These photos reminds me about the Israeli-Lebanese border. Also in Norway it is not allowed for a Norwegian residing in his native country to
      Sep 24, 2002 @ 08:16 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
7439. Re: Quiz question
      ... New York. New Jersey sued and it went to the Sup. Court. NJ lost. Averill
      Sep 24, 2002 @ 09:34 - averillhecht ("averillhecht" <alhecht@...>)
7440. Re: USMX tripoints -> Linguistic errors at the border
      This reminds me of a story which is told in the book De grens gemarkeerd (P. Spapens, K. van Kemenade). The story is situated at the Dutch-German border
      Sep 24, 2002 @ 13:43 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
7441. Re: Quiz question
      I don t suppose you re thinking of the two statues in Paris, Jesper? There is one in the Jardin du Luxembourg, and another near the Pont de Grenelle (Allée
      Sep 24, 2002 @ 14:24 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
7442. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: USMX tripoints
      ... What s the reasoning behind this? And can you be exempted from this rule? Imaging having Swedish (or whatever) friend over for a couple of days and the two
      Sep 24, 2002 @ 14:58 - Pepijn Hendriks ("Pepijn Hendriks" <pepijnh@...>)
7443. Using foreign cars in your native country (-> was USMX tripoints)
      The reason is to avoid that Norwegians buy or rent cars abroad (where the price is 50-75% of Norwegian retail price) and use them at home without importing
      Sep 24, 2002 @ 17:05 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
7444. Re: Using foreign cars in your native country (-> was USMX tripoints)
      Also, in Canada, a Canadian can not rent a US registered car and drive it across the border. Unless you are driving it right/strait to a final location.
      Sep 24, 2002 @ 19:57 - averillhecht ("averillhecht" <alhecht@...>)
7445. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Quiz question
      I was looking at a map of New York City and saw to my surprise that the city s most famous mark was on the wrong side of the state line. I then verified with
      Sep 24, 2002 @ 21:33 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7446. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: USMX tripoints
      ... From: Pepijn Hendriks To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 4:58 PM Subject: RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: USMX tripoints ...
      Sep 24, 2002 @ 21:34 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7447. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: USMX tripoints
      It s also a Danish law. But it s not a matter of citizenship, but of residenceship, right? Jan, you can take your (possible) LT car with you into Norway, can t
      Sep 24, 2002 @ 21:38 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7448. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: USMX tripoints
      ... the same applies in Ireland, the main reason are revenue, to stop people purchasing cars abroad and avoiding irish tax and registration.
      Sep 24, 2002 @ 21:48 - Gerard J Keating ("Gerard J Keating" <gerard@...>)
7449. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Using foreign cars in your native country (-> was USMX tripoints)
      Of course it is linked to residenceship, not citizenship! The chance for being nicked is small, but the consequences might be big if you loose your car. Jan
      Sep 25, 2002 @ 07:29 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
7450. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Using foreign cars in your native country (-> was USMX tripoints)
      I did some asking around in a car newsgroup. Driving in a foreign registered car more than 3 months (how do you prove it, and can you do a u-turn at the border
      Sep 25, 2002 @ 19:00 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7451. Re: Quiz question
      this entire apparently spontaneous quiz eruption is actually the latest in a series of reverberations dating back to the message sequence 648 646 408 404 390
      Sep 26, 2002 @ 15:55 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7452. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Quiz question
      Mike, I can possibly explain why New Jersey hasn t asked for any part of Liberty Island. Simply, it isn t worth it. For Ellis Island, they got something like
      Sep 26, 2002 @ 16:18 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
7453. ct pleads for return of pa tonite
      from the front page of todays waterbury republican american under the headline plea for pennsylvania return if things had gone differently in 1782 litchfield
      Sep 26, 2002 @ 16:38 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7454. Re: Quiz question
      yes i can see all this but i was thinking just the prestige value of partly owning the great liberty island might be worth the candle in this case & i imagine
      Sep 26, 2002 @ 16:41 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7455. Re: Quiz question
      i mean since nj evidently does care enough about this to create its own liberty state park on the nj mainland opposite the island
      Sep 26, 2002 @ 16:57 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7456. Re: Quiz question
      the aerial photo of liberty island in http://www.ninety.one.canby.k12.or.us/Classrooms/wigowsky/nationalmonu ments/monumentjh.htm shows 2 evidently modern
      Sep 26, 2002 @ 17:07 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7457. the real kentucky bend too
      a first known report on what life is really like in americas other & in fact oldest interstate clave aka kentucky bend namely an article featuring its
      Sep 26, 2002 @ 19:25 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7458. Re: Using foreign cars in your native country (-> was USMX tripoints)
      such prohibitions against untaxed car imports are perhaps nowhere more severe than in latin america where most very old north american cars eventually wind up
      Sep 26, 2002 @ 20:22 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7459. Re: USMX tripoints
      ... or park on the shoulder by the cantina just to the east of the bridge & crawl up onto the narrow pedestrian catwalk where you can do your eyeballing &
      Sep 26, 2002 @ 20:54 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7460. Re: Vermont - Quebec
      ... entry bans (with no appeal) on the spot. And you never know when you re going to run across someone who didn t have their Wheaties (or donuts) that
      Sep 26, 2002 @ 21:09 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7461. Re: Perejil as you have... -> esma border at Ceuta
      ... the ... first ... (Luxembourg), ... liked ... BTW, ... this from message 6869 is another example of a gratuitous smear uncorrected til now the reference is
      Sep 26, 2002 @ 21:35 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7462. what is the difference between these 2 great lists
      special to jesper while traveling last year i inadvertently fell off the international boundaries list & was surprised recently while reviewing the messages
      Sep 26, 2002 @ 22:03 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7463. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Quiz question
      I am sure saying We own the piers of Liberty Island would bring a lot of prestige to New Jersey. Anyway, I have forgotten that the Supremes can choose their
      Sep 26, 2002 @ 23:42 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
7464. Re: Vermont - Quebec
      I found some info and e-mail address for you to use if you feel you are being harrased to much at the border while taking pictures. They are: Complaints
      Sep 27, 2002 @ 01:09 - averillhecht ("averillhecht" <alhecht@...>)
7465. Re: Perejil ... -> Ceuta -> oops!
      ... to ... I ... is ... I think you re right here. I m not sure whether my imagination is inventive, but I don t think it s negative. I wasn t thinking of
      Sep 27, 2002 @ 09:59 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
7466. Re: Quiz question
      ... You know something, Mike, the ... hahahaha so right you are arif & you know we are already governing it in our way what with everyones land already a
      Sep 27, 2002 @ 16:34 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7467. Re: Perejil ... -> Ceuta -> oops!
      thank you peter i love you as ever m
      Sep 27, 2002 @ 16:38 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7468. Re: Perejil ... -> Ceuta -> oops!
      thank you peter & i love you as always m
      Sep 27, 2002 @ 16:26 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7469. Re: [BoundaryPoint] what is the difference between these 2 great lists
      Dear Mike You lost me there. Please clarify what lists you are talking about. I know only of BoundaryPoint and International Boundaries. I would mail IB on
      Sep 27, 2002 @ 19:02 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7470. Re: [BoundaryPoint] what is the difference between these 2 great lists
      I agree with Jesper -- while it is wonderful to be unique and I wholly endorse that, when great thoughts are hard to read, well, it s often easier not to read
      Sep 27, 2002 @ 19:37 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
7471. Re: [BoundaryPoint] what is the difference between these 2 great lists
      Is there more than one list? Searching Yahoo groups only turns up this one. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you ll
      Sep 27, 2002 @ 21:37 - Bramwell Hayes (=?iso-8859-1?q?Bramwell=20Hayes?= <bramwellhayes@...>)
7472. Re: [BoundaryPoint] what is the difference between these 2 great lists
      thanxx doug & jesper for this candor i appreciate it that you are giving & doing your level best so i agree it is i who must redouble my efforts to be clear
      Sep 28, 2002 @ 14:47 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
7473. afghanistan iran turkmenistan try
      a panoramic tricountry photo of afirtm presumably class d or e is claimed in http://www.unicef.org.uk/news/Presscentre/Afghanistan? DavidIranfeature.htm see
      Sep 28, 2002 @ 16:10 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7474. Re: afghanistan iran turkmenistan try
      corrected url below
      Sep 28, 2002 @ 16:31 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7475. benin burkinafaso niger try
      the bfbjne tripoint is at an uncertain location in the mekrou river in a far corner of w national park of which class d or e photos are given here
      Sep 28, 2002 @ 16:40 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7476. Re: [BoundaryPoint] what is the difference between these 2 great lists
      ... Mike We share more and less the same interests - that s why we are here, right? In the early days of BP you wrote only about borders and multipoints and it
      Sep 28, 2002 @ 20:51 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7477. Re: what is the difference between these 2 great lists
      thank you my friend this morning i am multi resurrected not least by these pearls from you but also by a resurrected home internet connection here atop cream
      Sep 30, 2002 @ 16:34 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7478. webpage on the bordermarkers of Llivia
      In august 2002 I made a trip to Llivia and photographed the first half of the bordermarkers of this Spanish enclave in the French Pyrenees. To be continued
      Sep 30, 2002 @ 15:36 - Eef Berns ("Eef Berns" <eefberns@...>)
7479. suspected tripointing song
      have just learned there is a song entitled where three countries meet performed by the group celtic cheer in an album titled spancil hill can anyone shed any
      Sep 30, 2002 @ 18:30 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7480. RE: [BoundaryPoint] webpage on the bordermarkers of Llivia
      Excellent Eef. Can t wait until next year. Dallen ... From: Eef Berns [mailto:eefberns@dds.nl] Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 8:36 AM To: Boundary Point
      Sep 30, 2002 @ 18:32 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
7481. Re: webpage on the bordermarkers of Llivia
      Great job, Eef. Congratulations again. The double bordermarkers 16-21 are particulary interesting. I ve consulted the delimitation treaty: the border is in the
      Sep 30, 2002 @ 20:47 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
7482. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Using foreign cars in your native country
      Hmmm.. this is an interesting discussion. When I lived in the Netherlands, I was informed by the RDW (vehicle registration agency) that it was illegal for
      Sep 30, 2002 @ 20:45 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
7483. Re: [BoundaryPoint] EU and other European countries
      Jan, ... Although I m not disputing your tale, many of these EU scarce stories are actually the result of national governments implementing unpopular
      Sep 30, 2002 @ 20:33 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
7484. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Vermont - Quebec
      Jesper, ... Whilst borders are fascinating things (is this not why we re all on this list), I often wonder why we re so tolerant of border controls on
      Sep 30, 2002 @ 20:52 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
7485. Re: Vermont - Quebec
      That s a good point. The reason is nations are completely sovereign, where as states/provinces/territories are not to various extents depending on the country
      Oct 01, 2002 @ 00:18 - averillhecht ("averillhecht" <alhecht@...>)
7486. Re: webpage on the bordermarkers of Llivia
      i agree with dallens & marcels appreciations eef & would like to add that this game of boundary perambulation or ring around the enclave as it might also be
      Oct 01, 2002 @ 01:34 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7487. Re: Vermont - Quebec
      ... on this ... yes it isnt a few of us are on this list because bp is expressly devoted to the multipoints rather than just the borders as you too can see by
      Oct 01, 2002 @ 02:01 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7488. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Vermont - Quebec
      Hi all: sorry for the delay... I was stolen away for Homecoming weekend at my alma mater. So here are my posted pics! The first of them is the border plaque on
      Oct 01, 2002 @ 04:09 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@yahoo.com>)
7489. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Vermont - Quebec
      Ok...a few more from the same area: First, the borderline runs right throught the living room of the apartment...Canada right, U.S. left. Second, a
      Oct 01, 2002 @ 04:28 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@yahoo.com>)
7490. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Vermont - Quebec
      Pozor rule #2 (and you should know :-) ): The signs don t mark the border (http://home.worldonline.dk/jesniel/gcebereport/rules.htm) Jesper ... From: Michael
      Oct 01, 2002 @ 19:30 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7491. Re: Vermont - Quebec
      for more background see also message 4675 m ... can see the divided ... camera). I don t get ... care about ... meters into
      Oct 01, 2002 @ 23:21 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7492. Re: Vermont - Quebec
      better yet is message 4584 which gives the exact source of the locals rule m ... not
      Oct 02, 2002 @ 12:35 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7493. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: webpage on the bordermarkers of Llivia
      - I consider the moresnet-border-expedition as completed, the missing bordermarkers not being found by earlier trips of other bordermen. But sometimes it aches
      Oct 02, 2002 @ 13:24 - Eef Berns ("Eef Berns" <eefberns@...>)
7494. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: webpage on the bordermarkers of Llivia
      Marcel, thanks for the congrats and the additional information! - the road between markers 16 & 21 is in fact a dirtroad, in use by tractors of the farmers
      Oct 02, 2002 @ 13:33 - Eef Berns ("Eef Berns" <eefberns@...>)
7495. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: webpage on the bordermarkers of Llivia
      Eef, ... Ok. This weekend i will scan the treaty and the map and will e-mail you privately ( it s a large map: well, it s a otophoto map from 1976 with
      Oct 02, 2002 @ 16:43 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
7496. Lost border markers WAS webpage on the bordermarkers of Llivia
      I know the feelings, but sometimes it helps to go back. On our recent DEDK expedition we found a few lost boundary markers using common sence and putting one
      Oct 02, 2002 @ 18:37 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
7497. Re: Lost border markers WAS webpage on the bordermarkers of Llivia
      gorgeous presentation jesper what an inspiration you guys are this is the inner game of try pointing in a nutshell there is perhaps nothing more rewarding than
      Oct 02, 2002 @ 21:47 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7498. mohawk thunderbird epiphenomenon
      this is just a test so please excuse any ineptitude etc but as recently promised here if all goes well is a favorite epiphenomenal border pic the hopefully
      Oct 02, 2002 @ 23:38 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@hotmail.com>)
7499. Re: EU and other European countries
      ... Furthermore, ... things ... Often because a product is for some reason US-centered. Anything computer related for example; e.g. computer monitor sizes are
      Oct 03, 2002 @ 14:59 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <listen@...>)
7500. Unknown tripoint
      http://www.kopaonik.net/html/kopdokolica/arhivaleto1.html#vrh Last row, first picture. Tromedja means tripoint in slavic. But where is it??? Jesper
      Oct 03, 2002 @ 20:32 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7501. Re: Unknown tripoint
      ... evidently within serbia toward the bulgarian side so perhaps it is an internal yugoslavian tripoint but if it is a tricountry point then the third party
      Oct 04, 2002 @ 05:05 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7502. Re: webpage on the bordermarkers of Llivia
      ... another curious word & of course i cant help wondering if it is ever spelled otofoto as seems likely enough for if so i think our pal dan will also be
      Oct 04, 2002 @ 22:52 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7503. Border Controls (was Re: Vermont - Quebec)
      Averill, ... Sure, but there s still no inherent reason why you need border controls between some countries (USCA is the most obvious example), and why
      Oct 04, 2002 @ 23:26 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
7504. Border Controls (was Re: Vermont - Quebec)
      ... make a ... there ... would ... controls ... only at ... that ... Don t get me wrong; I m on your side. I think there should be NO border checks between
      Oct 05, 2002 @ 17:24 - averillhecht ("averillhecht" <alhecht@...>)
7505. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border Controls (was Re: Vermont - Quebec)
      ... From: averillhecht To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 7:24 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Border Controls (was Re: Vermont -
      Oct 05, 2002 @ 17:29 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7506. US-Canada Border -- Tacoma News Tribune Newspaper Article
      The long, open northern border By SEAN ROBINSON Tacoma News Tribune October 06, 2002 - Somewhere in one of Washington s lonely places, a barbed-wire gate leans
      Oct 05, 2002 @ 18:04 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@...>)
7507. Re: Unknown tripoint
      Dear all, This is tripoint of tri municipalities in FR Yugoslavia (Serbia). Regards, Mile Milenkoski
      Oct 05, 2002 @ 18:55 - Mile Milenkoski ("Mile Milenkoski" <mmilenkoski@...>)
7508. Re: Unknown tripoint
      ... wonderful to hear from you again mile & not just to have my guess confirmed but we have been looking forward to hearing back from you since message 825
      Oct 05, 2002 @ 23:49 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7509. Re: US-Canada Border -- Tacoma News Tribune Newspaper Article
      ... to the 5,525-mile northern border: one agent for every 16 miles, including the vast stretch of rugged land that marks the entrance to Alaska. Conversely,
      Oct 06, 2002 @ 00:16 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7510. Border Controls (was Re: Vermont - Quebec)
      ... Visiting borders WITH control makes it exiting. yes i would think tricountry pointing within schengen is about as relaxed as tristate pointing within the
      Oct 06, 2002 @ 00:32 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7511. Border Controls (was Re: Vermont - Quebec)
      ... NY/Quebec and ... the rusty ... stating ... the ... jc & i actually did this last december thru a hole in a barbed wire fence in a remote area between
      Oct 06, 2002 @ 01:22 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7512. worlds oldest known megapoints
      recently it has been dawning on me that the town i am currently living in namely cornwall connecticut is a party to 2 of the oldest quadripoints in existence a
      Oct 06, 2002 @ 04:28 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@hotmail.com>)
7513. reply to Mike D
      ... Dear Mike, I really enjoyed your exciting story about your trespassing into Mexico some years ago - whow, there must have been some emotions when spotting
      Oct 06, 2002 @ 09:17 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
7514. Re: reply to Mike D
      dear peter capo of the world class many thanxxx for weighing in on these several points & for giving me this chance to intertwingle with you ... i know my
      Oct 06, 2002 @ 16:16 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7515. Todays business
      Today I decided to cross a border, and discovered (by accident) a EUc. I took the ferry from Elsinore to Helsingborg (DK- SE), marked the water border with my
      Oct 06, 2002 @ 19:02 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7516. xxc
      Searching for a picture of the euc (se version) I also found this: http://hem.passagen.se/larsdson/page39.html
      Oct 06, 2002 @ 19:17 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7517. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Best European geographical curiosities??
      Hello, Well I will take pictures for your virtual tour through the enclaves. I understood that there are 2 quadripoints in Baarle and one nearly quadripoint.
      Oct 06, 2002 @ 20:34 - Ed Ragas ("Ed Ragas" <edragas@...>)
7518. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border Controls (was Re: Vermont - Quebec)
      ... at ... but it is only at that time that international travel started to become available to the masses....
      Oct 07, 2002 @ 01:00 - Gerard J Keating ("Gerard J Keating" <gerard@...>)
7519. cdrwug improvement
      finally a class d photo of mt sabinyo & what a beauty the summit of which is the tripoint of the congo democratic republic with rwanda & uganda
      Oct 07, 2002 @ 03:34 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7520. Re: [BoundaryPoint] cdrwug improvement
      http://www.photoafrica.com/images/zr11.html http://volcano.und.nodak.edu/vwdocs/volc_images/africa/sabinyo.html ... From: acroorca2002 To:
      Oct 07, 2002 @ 04:20 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7521. Re: Pack die Badehose ein and other German fun
      I have added the last pictures there (http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/lst , DE2BYTH). So have a look! Peter S. ... area, ... was ...
      Oct 07, 2002 @ 09:14 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
7522. a Bosnian exclave?
      Hi all, on Freytag & Berndt s 1:600 000 Yugoslavia Slovenia Croatia map there is a clear Bosnian exclave in Montenegro. Its name is either Sastavei or Sastavci
      Oct 07, 2002 @ 09:32 - Rolf Palmberg (Rolf Palmberg <rpalmber@...>)
7523. Re: a Bosnian exclave?
      http://arhiva.glas- javnosti.co.yu/arhiva/2001/08/29/srpski/R01082803.shtml seems to be about it. Unfortunately, I don t read serbian too well. Anyone? Peter
      Oct 07, 2002 @ 09:49 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
7524. Re: SPAM: [BoundaryPoint] Re: a Bosnian exclave?
      You re right. And the map is the same, only this map indicates a road between the possible exclave and the motherland, doesn t it? Rolf
      Oct 07, 2002 @ 09:57 - Rolf Palmberg (Rolf Palmberg <rpalmber@...>)
7525. Re: cdrwug improvement
      ... this may well be a further improvement but can you tell which if any of these 3 peaks from among the 8 virungas is sabinyo m
      Oct 07, 2002 @ 10:21 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7526. RE: SPAM: [BoundaryPoint] Re: a Bosnian exclave?
      Why do you think it is an exclave? For me it seems it is connected to the motherland with a bottleneck, but not separated. Jan ... From: Rolf Palmberg
      Oct 07, 2002 @ 10:48 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
7527. RE: SPAM: [BoundaryPoint] Re: a Bosnian exclave?
      because on the map where I first saw it, it was shown as a circle separated from the main borderline. rolf
      Oct 07, 2002 @ 10:54 - Rolf Palmberg (Rolf Palmberg <rpalmber@...>)
7528. Re: Todays business
      ... There are several points that claim to be midpoint of Europe. Do they explain their reasoning for being the midpoint Landskrona? My opinion is that it s in
      Oct 07, 2002 @ 10:56 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <listen@...>)
7529. SPAM: [BoundaryPoint] Re: a Bosnian exclave?
      Still relying on my unreliable Serbian, I came across this article ( http://arhiva.glas- javnosti.co.yu/arhiva/2002/05/27/srpski/D02052606.shtml ). I think
      Oct 07, 2002 @ 11:29 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
7530. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: a Bosnian exclave?
      ... I dabbled in Serbo-Croat a few years ago. I ll have a go at reading, and translating the two articles you mentioned. The gist of the second article is that
      Oct 07, 2002 @ 14:10 - Pepijn Hendriks ("Pepijn Hendriks" <pepijnh@...>)
7531. Re: Bosnian exclave
      So, I was trying to find the exclave, but without any luck. I would like to find out the exclave in a map in a library, but I would probably need an exact
      Oct 07, 2002 @ 14:26 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
7532. RE: SPAM: [BoundaryPoint] Re: a Bosnian exclave?
      This seems to be the location: http://www.cosy.sbg.ac.at/~zzspri/travels/plitvice/plitvicealt1.html Jan
      Oct 07, 2002 @ 15:58 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
7533. SPAM: [BoundaryPoint] Re: a Bosnian exclave?
      I don t think so. This is in Croatia, in the well-known national park of Plitvice, near the western tip of Bosnia. Arif, the area is
      Oct 07, 2002 @ 16:03 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
7534. SPAM: [BoundaryPoint] Re: a Bosnian exclave?
      ... south ... i would have thought so too since rolf did specify it was just sw of priboj but he also made it out to be within montenegro which doesnt form the
      Oct 07, 2002 @ 17:40 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7535. what spam
      rolf i didnt get any of the spam or do you just mean these are maps of backward countries m
      Oct 07, 2002 @ 17:47 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7536. Re: a Bosnian exclave?
      ... map there is a ... Sastavei or ... of ... another conundrum here is that the montenegrin sector of the boundary doesnt extend beyond about 135 km from
      Oct 07, 2002 @ 18:02 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7537. Re: Todays business
      ... Do they ... opinion ... further north ... i agree & my reasoning in message 1038 when i first placed it somewhere between minsk & pinsk was just intuition
      Oct 07, 2002 @ 18:33 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7538. Re: a Bosnian exclave?
      ... ok then it cant very well involve montenegro & must rather be serbia & therefore the first quadrant peter specified is very probable m
      Oct 07, 2002 @ 18:45 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7539. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Using foreign cars in your native country (-> was USMX tripoints)
      I haven t had a chance to follow up on my own post so here it goes. this is defintely true with us cars in latin america. a cheap used car here ($1000) would
      Oct 07, 2002 @ 19:10 - Victor Cantore (Victor Cantore <drpotatoes@...>)
7540. Re: Using foreign cars in your native country (-> was USMX tripoints)
      ... oops you are absolutely right victor & not only that the rio can be so shallow there as to permit walking right out to the thalweg along the monument line
      Oct 07, 2002 @ 20:05 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7541. coecpe witness monument lookalike
      http://www.caretas.com.pe/1999/1553/cartas/6-2-c.jpg the colombia ecuador peru tripoint is at the confluence of the gueppi & putumayo rivers probably at the
      Oct 07, 2002 @ 20:22 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7542. RE: coecpe witness monument lookalike
      mike, I think this letter comments this article: http://www.caretas.com.pe/1999/1551/ecuador/ecuador.htm Marcel ...
      Oct 07, 2002 @ 21:06 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
7543. Re: coecpe witness monument lookalike
      ... yes nice thanx seemingly the same hito naciente photographed 56 years later tho i cant be sure http://www.caretas.com.pe/1466/mala/18-1.jpg shows the
      Oct 07, 2002 @ 22:26 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7544. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: coecpe witness monument lookalike
      Another hito : http://www.adonde.com/historia/1999_ultimohito/1999_utimo%20hito.gif Jesper ... From: acroorca2002 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent:
      Oct 08, 2002 @ 04:33 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7545. Re: [BoundaryPoint]: a Bosnian exclave?
      Thanks Peter S, Pepijn, Jan, Arif & mike for comments on my Bosnian question. Forget about the Montenegro bit. That s a mistake on my part. The possible
      Oct 08, 2002 @ 05:08 - Rolf Palmberg (Rolf Palmberg <rpalmber@...>)
7546. Re: coecpe witness monument lookalike
      ... I think it refers to the source of the Lagartococha river. It is a witness marker within Peru (
      Oct 08, 2002 @ 07:28 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
7547. Re: coecpe witness monument lookalike
      ... yes thanx absolutely for headsprings or source is the literal meaning of nacientes or naciente but what i was thinking is that the original commissioners
      Oct 08, 2002 @ 11:52 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7548. Re: Unknown tripoint
      Hello, I am in Nederland s now and I am back home in november and I will write than something for macedonian tripoints. regards, Mile
      Oct 08, 2002 @ 14:35 - Mile Milenkoski ("Mile Milenkoski" <mmilenkoski@...>)
7549. mxus2conutx & nutatx
      here at last are pix of the january mxus tripointing the double culmination of a 4day obsession with conutx & nutatx aka coahuila nuevoleon texas & nuevoleon
      Oct 08, 2002 @ 19:23 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@hotmail.com>)
7550. lucky horseshoe
      with extreme good luck you may barely be able to see in the attached photo just above center the horseshoe shaped landform that occurs at natural continental
      Oct 08, 2002 @ 21:39 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@hotmail.com>)
7551. Re: Todays business
      The most commonly accepted center of Europe is in Lithuania, about 20 km north of Vilnius. There s a pyramid monument there. This was calculated by the French
      Oct 08, 2002 @ 22:14 - kbajoras ("kbajoras" <kbajoras@...>)
7552. Re: Moving borders
      what events do you use to back up these sovereignties of Klaipeda? ... by
      Oct 08, 2002 @ 22:39 - kbajoras ("kbajoras" <kbajoras@...>)
7553. Re: EU or not on the Euro
      Well, these guy JUST JOINED the UNITED NATIONS!!!! So EU is still long away. Maybe they ll go together with Russia, in a 100 yeras or so :) And why not, they
      Oct 08, 2002 @ 22:56 - kbajoras ("kbajoras" <kbajoras@...>)
7554. Re: webpage on the bordermarkers of Llivia
      I found myself interested in those signs too, but i couldn t read them. but i trust your reading area privada de caca . hmmm private kaka area? :))))) I must
      Oct 09, 2002 @ 00:46 - kbajoras ("kbajoras" <kbajoras@...>)
7555. Re: Border with greatest time difference
      That s probably the biggest land border time differemce. However you get the craziest differences when you get across the International Date Line. 25 hours in
      Oct 09, 2002 @ 02:55 - kbajoras ("kbajoras" <kbajoras@...>)
7556. Neutral zone
      From my memory, some time ago, maps used to show a neutral zone between Saudi Arabia and Iraq. Does anyone know anything about this?
      Oct 09, 2002 @ 03:06 - kbajoras ("kbajoras" <kbajoras@...>)
7557. Re: Neutral zone
      Hi. There are two - one south of Kuwait, and another west of Kuwait. Saudi maps show a border through the western one, through the lower half of it, while
      Oct 09, 2002 @ 03:35 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
7558. Re: Neutral zone
      Hi. There are two - one south of Kuwait, and another west of Kuwait. Saudi maps show a border through the western one, through the lower half of it, while
      Oct 09, 2002 @ 03:36 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
7559. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Todays business
      Chescking out the internet I only found this site. Apparently a circle around Stetsbergen, Astrakan and Kap Sao Vicente. Jesper ... From: anorak222 To:
      Oct 09, 2002 @ 04:50 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7560. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Neutral zone
      Len, ... Information on the neutral zone seems quite hard to come by. I believe the Saudi Arabia-Kuwait neutral zone was partitioned in 1971, whilst the Saudi
      Oct 09, 2002 @ 09:36 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
7561. us2ncscus in the buff
      the no nudity sign in the attached photo is the only available indicator of the ncsc border as it hits the beach & goes out to sea as depicted in this map
      Oct 09, 2002 @ 14:46 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@hotmail.com>)
7562. us2alflus dilemma
      a few of the 20 federal maritime tripoints of the usa are problematic especially alflus & latxus & the prusvi twins all of which occur where the double
      Oct 09, 2002 @ 16:41 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@hotmail.com>)
7563. Re: Neutral Zone
      Treaties about the partition of the neutral Zone at: http://www.meij.or.jp/text/border/KSA-Kuwait/brdkwtksa.htm Marcel
      Oct 09, 2002 @ 16:53 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
7564. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Moving borders
      What concrete do you have in mind...? Jan ... From: kbajoras [mailto:kbajoras@yahoo.com] Sent: 9. oktober 2002 00:39 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Subject:
      Oct 09, 2002 @ 17:33 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
7565. Re: Moving borders
      Well, what events caused the following shifts in sovereignty: until 1568: Polish-Lithuania ( I though Klaipeda never was in Lithuanian Grand Duchy since it was
      Oct 09, 2002 @ 20:26 - kbajoras ("kbajoras" <kbajoras@...>)
7566. Re: us2alflus dilemma
      I would think that the state line in the water has to be staright, because if it isnt, then the water either 3 or 9 miles around the tripoint would be disputed
      Oct 09, 2002 @ 20:57 - kbajoras ("kbajoras" <kbajoras@...>)
7567. Re: us2alflus dilemma
      ... think ... first a warm welcome to you & thanx for being here in strength in fact there was just such a dispute as you suppose until a 1953 interstate
      Oct 10, 2002 @ 00:05 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7568. Re: us2alflus dilemma
      Thanks. I see what you re saying about the possible arc of Floridian waters and I can t give a good reason why it couldn t be that way. But based on the
      Oct 10, 2002 @ 05:02 - kbajoras ("kbajoras" <kbajoras@...>)
7569. Re: us2alflus dilemma
      ... exist ... well yes it doesnt show up on the usgs maps so it is easy enough to believe ones eyes & voila qed but even the usgs stresses that they are not
      Oct 10, 2002 @ 09:43 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7570. European tripoints - some remarks
      Hello everybody my wife keeps telling me that modesty is a virtue, but: would you ever get these great news on European tripoints if I wouldn t tell you...:-)
      Oct 10, 2002 @ 15:11 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
7571. Estonian martime border
      1: Is there a marine tripoint ESTFIRU? 2: Why is Ruhnu island Estonia and not Latvia, or at least split?
      Oct 10, 2002 @ 15:37 - kbajoras ("kbajoras" <kbajoras@...>)
7572. Re: European tripoints - some remarks
      No need to be modest, really. I think that I speak for a fair number of us when I express my admiration for what you guys have achieved. As a token of which: a
      Oct 10, 2002 @ 16:55 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
7573. llivia-webpage updated
      Thanks to Marcel Miquel I have been able to update the llivia-webpage with: - a detailed scan of a spanish 1:15.000 map of the area - the delimitation act (in
      Oct 10, 2002 @ 17:24 - Eef Berns ("Eef Berns" <eefberns@...>)
7574. Montana - North Dakota - Saskatchewan Tri-point
      FYI: The Montana - North Dakota - Saskatchewan Tri-point is documented as part of a recent visit to the 49N 104W degree confluence:
      Oct 10, 2002 @ 15:34 - Dave Patton [DCP] ("Dave Patton [DCP]" <dpatton@...>)
7575. Re: Estonian martime border
      ... See: http://www.ellennet.com/english/ruhnu.htm for the (interesting!) story. Grant
      Oct 10, 2002 @ 18:36 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
7576. Re: Estonian martime border
      ... Hmm. Have posted a reply to this, but it has vanished into the ether. Will probably turn up as soon as I make this reposting. The old USSR/Finnish treaty
      Oct 10, 2002 @ 19:18 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
7577. Re: Estonian martime border
      ... There is an agreed boundary in the Gulf of Finland between the EEZ of the former Soviet Union and the EFZ of Finland - this arrangement seems to have been
      Oct 10, 2002 @ 18:33 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
7578. Re: Estonian martime border
      Good to see Yahoo s quantum weirdness persists. My message 7577 was posted about half an hour *before* 7575, and a good hour before my retry with 7576. Sorry
      Oct 10, 2002 @ 20:58 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
7579. Re: Estonian martime border
      Ok, but EEZ s are not territories of and don t come under the sovereignty of their respective countries, so I wouldn t consider an EEZ tripoint to be an
      Oct 11, 2002 @ 00:44 - kbajoras ("kbajoras" <kbajoras@...>)
7580. Re: Estonian martime border
      Thanks! Very interesting.
      Oct 11, 2002 @ 01:36 - kbajoras ("kbajoras" <kbajoras@...>)
7581. tripoints on the move
      http://www.house.gov/judiciary/ibmngsc.htm & http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/judiciary/hju63856.000/hju63856_0.htm are the surprisingly interesting texts
      Oct 11, 2002 @ 03:34 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
7582. Re: Estonian martime border
      ... an ... we have looked at this both ways at various times since eezs are territories in which sovereign rights do exist & even the supposedly full
      Oct 11, 2002 @ 04:35 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7583. Re: Estonian martime border
      Grant Hutchison wrote: There is an agreed boundary in the Gulf of Finland between the EEZ of the former Soviet Union and the EFZ of Finland - this arrangement
      Oct 11, 2002 @ 08:46 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
7584. Re: European tripoints - some remarks
      yes peter s & allow me to pile it on this time for i dare say you are really speaking for us all here & you peter h are leading the way for us all for in fact
      Oct 11, 2002 @ 10:13 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7585. Re: Estonian martime border
      Here, for discussion and information, is a little summary snippet of the EEZ map from Jane s (one which I hope falls into the pictorial equivalent of
      Oct 11, 2002 @ 18:57 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@blueyonder.co.uk>)
7586. absolute gas
      gas or the southernmost point of georgia is effectively marked by an alligator floating down the st marys river partly visible in the center of the attached
      Oct 11, 2002 @ 20:50 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@hotmail.com>)
7587. Re: Estonian martime border
      Could you also throw in the eez map for the rest of teh Baltic Sea?
      Oct 11, 2002 @ 23:23 - kbajoras ("kbajoras" <kbajoras@...>)
7588. possible correction
      ... but not if the visits to the 4 cardinal extremities of sweden as initially reported in message 6734 were performed by a single individual since sweden is
      Oct 12, 2002 @ 16:57 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7589. Re: Mike's comments on movement of ksmone
      The shift of this tripoint may explains why we had trouble locating the old cast iron monument marking the starting point of the base line of the 6th Principal
      Oct 12, 2002 @ 21:05 - jparsell ("jparsell" <jparsell@...>)
7590. Re-run, Berlin exclaves
      Peers, Please have a look at http://berlin.enclaves.org Grab what you can while it is still there! Mats
      Oct 12, 2002 @ 21:48 - blofeld_es ("blofeld_es" <blofeld_es@...>)
7591. Re: Mike's comments on movement of ksmone
      exactly jack & as usual you & lewis & clark got there first it is also nice to realize they rowed right thru what has become the old ksmone slough where i
      Oct 13, 2002 @ 00:37 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7592. County-level enclaves
      So, I was comparing topo maps with the website http://www.co.fairfax.va.us/scripts/esrimap.dll?name=ortho2&cmd=init which I previously mentioned. There are
      Oct 13, 2002 @ 04:06 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
7593. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re-run, Berlin exclaves
      Mats, A wonderful presentation. Great job. I wish there would be some photos from the spot during the war era. Jesper ... From: blofeld_es To:
      Oct 13, 2002 @ 07:26 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7594. new up-date + more
      hello, just to THANK all visitors and to show that I m still alive. 11.500 individual visitors on the European border site since May 29th. The latest up-date
      Oct 13, 2002 @ 07:59 - kahbeh2000 ("kahbeh2000" <kahbeh@...>)
7595. For all Dutch readers (or anyone who knows)
      hello, I have been wondering (after my visit to the Dutch West Indies), and this is serious and not a joke: Why are traffic light poles in Holland painted in
      Oct 13, 2002 @ 08:01 - kahbeh2000 ("kahbeh2000" <kahbeh@...>)
7596. More about Estonia
      Any info on the Russian sort-of-exclave outcrop on the Estonian coast of the Pskov lake (Pihkva javr/Pskovskoje ozero), between Kremessova, EE and Kule, RU?
      Oct 13, 2002 @ 09:06 - Karolis B ("Karolis B" <kbajoras@...>)
7597. Re: new up-date + more
      ... might ... reached ... since i havent found any yahoo group with more messages than bp has racked up bravo fellow sandcastlers & since several of the yahoo
      Oct 13, 2002 @ 11:55 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7598. Mayotte
      Does anyone know if Mayotte, when it decided to keep its association with France when the Comoros became independent, now forms a maritime enclave inside the
      Oct 13, 2002 @ 16:32 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
7599. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Mayotte
      ... And as of Friday, the 2002 Edition of the CIA World Fact Book is up and you can also download it for local use. (As I am doing now) I you wonder why the
      Oct 13, 2002 @ 16:58 - Andrew T. Patton ("Andrew T. Patton" <andrew@...>)
7600. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Mayotte
      I was also looking at the CIA Factbook the other day, and found one issue missing: the unsettled Danube border between Croatia and Yugoslavia. Jesper ... From:
      Oct 13, 2002 @ 17:18 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7601. Re: Estonian martime border
      Grant Hutchison wrote: Here, for discussion and information, is a little summary snippet of the EEZ map from Jane s (...) Why should Gogland s coast not
      Oct 13, 2002 @ 19:44 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
7602. Re: More about Estonia
      Nothing apart from the fact that the village is called Dubki. It has been discussed before here. Peter S. ... coast ... Kremessova,
      Oct 13, 2002 @ 19:56 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
7603. Re: More about Estonia
      Some stuff on Dubki, just found on http://www.enet.ru/~bns/981019/text/104.html : Russia has forgotten it s territory on the border with Estonia Moscow,
      Oct 13, 2002 @ 20:35 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
7604. Re: Estonian martime border
      ... snippet of ... Russia s ... it is very strange i agree yet negotiated & adjudicated boundaries probably depart from the theoretical norms more often than
      Oct 13, 2002 @ 23:00 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7605. Re: Re-run, Berlin exclaves
      ... Hi to the group, my name is Wolfgang from Berlin. I m not Wolfgang you already know from this group, but I had some e-mail contacts with him before about
      Oct 14, 2002 @ 04:50 - Wolfgang Pietsch ("Wolfgang Pietsch" <wpi@...>)
7606. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Re-run, Berlin exclaves
      Wolfgang P., Thank you very much for this interesting review! Jan, Vilnius, Lithuania
      Oct 14, 2002 @ 07:14 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
7607. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re-run, Berlin exclaves
      ... Wolfgang, thank you very much for this excellent summary, that provided much new information to most of us here at BoundaryPoint. ... I need to own this
      Oct 14, 2002 @ 07:53 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
7608. Re: Re-run, Berlin exclaves
      ... Wow thank you ... Why, are you planning to remove the site? Please don t. Concerning your challenge: Wouldn t that be a perfect task for the Berlin based
      Oct 14, 2002 @ 09:01 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <listen@...>)
7609. Re: Re-run, Berlin exclaves
      ... I don t, but meanwhile let me recommend something more available: An A3 map Die neuen Berliner Bezirke und die Geschichte des Berliner Stadtgebiets ; used
      Oct 14, 2002 @ 09:21 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <listen@...>)
7610. Re: More about Estonia
      ... has ... Thanx for the village name! I read the old messages, but didn t find much else on the net.
      Oct 14, 2002 @ 09:58 - Karolis B ("Karolis B" <kbajoras@...>)
7611. Re: Re-run, Berlin exclaves
      ... Well, here it is, see Att. #1 taken from 4. Änderungs- und Ergänzungsplan zum Flächennutzungsplan vom 30. Juli 1965 (brrr... I won t translate this
      Oct 14, 2002 @ 13:05 - Wolfgang Pietsch (Wolfgang Pietsch <wpi@berlin.snafu.de>)
7612. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re-run, Berlin exclaves
      ... Amazon doesn t have it but I found the book via http://de.shopping.yahoo.com/b_cher/ . Type keywords Berlin Geschichte Gegenwart 1995 into field Suchen
      Oct 14, 2002 @ 14:48 - Wolfgang Pietsch (Wolfgang Pietsch <wpi@...>)
7613. Re: Re-run, Berlin exclaves
      ... Having loads of it!! ... OK, I ll give it a stab, although I m not a native… (the numbers were a bit hard to read sometimes, so check these, apart from
      Oct 14, 2002 @ 14:52 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
7614. Re: Mayotte
      ... maritime ... Mayotte is at the southeasternmost extremity of the archipelago, so it doesn t become enclaved. It comes with the full French 200nm EEZ claim,
      Oct 14, 2002 @ 17:06 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
7615. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Re-run, Berlin exclaves
      ... A map, anyone? M __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More
      Oct 14, 2002 @ 17:29 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
7616. Re: Re-run, Berlin exclaves
      ... The location can be seen on Exklaven_1939_Map.jpg, the map posted by Wolfgang. On my (modern) city map, it should be somewhere in between the Heerstrasse
      Oct 14, 2002 @ 18:41 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
7617. Berlin exclave query
      So, quite a few of the exclaves in the 1939 map seems fragmented, especially the two largest enclaves, but not on maps afterward. Does anybody know when they
      Oct 14, 2002 @ 19:21 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
7618. Re: Berlin exclave query
      ... I think you mean Finkenkrug (#4 and #7) and Eiskeller (#1 and #3)? They were never physically fragmented. The lines inside those exclaves on the map mean
      Oct 14, 2002 @ 21:25 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <listen@...>)
7619. Re: Re-run, Berlin exclaves
      ... Good Job Peter, tx !! Btw. you transferred all the numbers correct. ... Well yes, that was hard to read. It means 76 v.H. (von Hundert = per cent)
      Oct 14, 2002 @ 23:55 - Wolfgang Pietsch (Wolfgang Pietsch <wpi@...>)
7620. Re: Re-run, Berlin exclaves
      ... Although the 1939 map is small, I believe in correctness of the locations drawn there. So I attach an actual city map with where I believe that Seeburg
      Oct 14, 2002 @ 23:55 - Wolfgang Pietsch (Wolfgang Pietsch <wpi@berlin.snafu.de>)
7621. Re: Re-run, Berlin exclaves
      I believe the boundaries of Berlin-West were assumed as a result of the list published in 1939 by the Katasteramt. In any case, a wartime list was
      Oct 15, 2002 @ 16:25 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
7622. Re: diplomatic borders
      ... the ... The ambassador s residence and diplomatic cars are also inviolable. I might have to reread the Vienna Convention. I have a different diplomatic
      Oct 15, 2002 @ 21:19 - Karolis B ("Karolis B" <kbajoras@...>)
7623. worlds most perverse boundaries
      according to the saskatchewan land surveyors association nobody knows why the original manitoba west line of the 1880s which has become the contemporary mbsk
      Oct 15, 2002 @ 21:20 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7624. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Re-run, Berlin exclaves
      Here is a more contemporary map of the same area circa 1973. It appears the enclave was in the Kol. Hauptgraben area. It s not marked of course. I would have
      Oct 16, 2002 @ 00:07 - Your Name ("Your Name" <johnkelly@astralvoyager.com>)
7625. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Re-run, Berlin exclaves
      ... http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ... --
      Oct 16, 2002 @ 00:36 - Your Name ("Your Name" <johnkelly@astralvoyager.com>)
7626. Rhode Island, Connecticut Feud Over Border Between Two Small Towns
      Oct 16, 2002 Rhode Island, Connecticut Feud Over Border Between Two Small Towns By Amy Forliti Associated Press Writer ALONG THE RHODE ISLAND/CONNECTICUT
      Oct 16, 2002 @ 10:25 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
7627. now a mdvawv disc is likely
      http://www.phra.com/html/Portfolio_Boundary.htm dated 22 may 2002 suggests that a better fix on the elusive mdvawv can now be had & that the tripoint may even
      Oct 16, 2002 @ 13:18 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7628. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Re-run, Berlin exclaves
      Somehow the picture cannot be viewed. Jesper ... From: Your Name To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 2:36 AM Subject: Re:
      Oct 16, 2002 @ 17:08 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7629. Re: Re-run, Berlin exclaves
      ... Right-klick save it on your hard disk. It is there. Probably just a wrong mime type declaration. Regards
      Oct 16, 2002 @ 18:57 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <listen@...>)
7630. Re: Re-run, Berlin exclaves
      ... exactly in fact this entire re re run picture no longer exists so none of it can be viewed in reality only in nostalgic dreams of the sweet misery of the
      Oct 16, 2002 @ 20:58 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7631. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Rhode Island, Connecticut Feud Over Border Between Two Small Towns
      Fantastic story! Especially this: It isn t the first border dispute between the two states - Voluntown, Conn., and West Greenwich, R.I., feuded about a decade
      Oct 16, 2002 @ 21:07 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
7632. [BoundaryPoint] Re:-iteration, Berlin exclaves
      There is an update to http://berlin.enclaves.org for those interested in damp, grassy fields and wet cobblestone.
      Oct 16, 2002 @ 21:16 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
7633. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Rhode Island, Connecticut Feud Over Border Between Two Small Towns
      Doug, maybe you d better keep an eye on the Peace Arch! Bill ... From: Doug Murray [mailto:doug@dougmurrayproductions.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002
      Oct 16, 2002 @ 21:40 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
7634. njnypa awash & usgs is vindicated
      practically all visitors to njnypa for example see jacks book in the files section &or see the corner corner would be surprised at the usgs depiction of it as
      Oct 17, 2002 @ 00:27 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7635. Re: njnypa awash & usgs is vindicated
      oops first url needs hand cobbling & second url has been corrected in the message below apologies ... http://topozone.com/map.asp?lat=41.359&lon=-74.6917&s=25&
      Oct 17, 2002 @ 00:33 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7636. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: njnypa awash & usgs is vindicated
      Must be the tri-point is at the high water mark. It was out of the water both times I have been there. Jack ... From: acroorca2002 [mailto:orc@orcoast.com]
      Oct 17, 2002 @ 00:52 - jparsell ("jparsell" <jparsell@...>)
7637. Re:-iteration, Berlin exclaves
      ... Yes, I like that ! Very good ! Ready for some little corrections ? Here we go ... ... These stones are no typical bordermarkers. It s a so called
      Oct 17, 2002 @ 01:12 - Wolfgang Pietsch ("Wolfgang Pietsch" <wpi@...>)
7638. Re: worlds most perverse boundaries
      ... 1880s ... ok i can tell everybody gives up so the correct answer to the 1668 mdva anomaly is that the surveyors used only a magnetic compass & the local
      Oct 17, 2002 @ 07:10 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7639. Re: worlds most perverse boundaries
      & this could be the metis coming back into focus now http://data2.archives.ca/ap/c/c073304.jpg notice how the man on top of the monument is still listing a
      Oct 17, 2002 @ 07:30 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7640. Re: worlds most perverse boundaries
      of course no collection of perversity in boundaries would be complete without at least acknowledging the northern boundary of tennessee for honorable mention
      Oct 17, 2002 @ 22:00 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7641. Cyprus
      I will shortly be going on holiday to the Greek part of Cyprus and while there I want to see as much as possible of the UN Buffer Zone. We are staying quite
      Oct 18, 2002 @ 08:17 - nfhodder ("nfhodder" <lists@...>)
7642. Re: Cyprus
      so far as we know no one has ever visited or even tried to locate any of the 4 de facto tripoints of cyprus 2 of them being british & greek & united nations
      Oct 18, 2002 @ 09:04 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7643. Re: Cyprus
      ... If someone could post the estimated GPS co-ordinates (preferably in DD°MM SS.S format), I ll do my best to find the tripoints and take photos.
      Oct 18, 2002 @ 11:41 - nfhodder ("nfhodder" <lists@...>)
7644. Re: Cyprus
      ... (preferably in ... take ... wow nicholas wonderful news even if you only try 1 as access may well be difficult or restricted & since the best map i can
      Oct 18, 2002 @ 13:43 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7645. Re: Minor Stuff
      ... oh then do you count them as air or water m ... visiting the ... island in ... easy ... all ... river is wet ... point, which ... out the ... Northfield,
      Oct 18, 2002 @ 17:21 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7646. Re: njnypa awash & usgs is vindicated
      yes me too this is the first pic i have seen of the tripoints marker as an island a few more inches of floodwater & njnypa would be a true wetpoint which is
      Oct 18, 2002 @ 17:40 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7647. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: njnypa awash & usgs is vindicated
      ... It had been raining heavily for a couple of days before I took that picture this summer. I was actually disappointed that I couldn t safely get to the
      Oct 18, 2002 @ 18:27 - Michael D. Adams ("Michael D. Adams" <mda@...>)
7648. Re: njnypa awash & usgs is vindicated
      ... that ... couldn t ... dear michael d indeed you did this class c visit with photo is nothing to sneeze at especially for ones trypointing debut & what with
      Oct 18, 2002 @ 20:06 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7649. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cyprus
      On place I was hoping to explore if I went back to Cyprus is the British road in between TR and GR areas, from Achna to Agios Nikolaps (see enclosed map). Each
      Oct 18, 2002 @ 20:14 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7650. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cyprus
      the enclosure is without & has been uncovered for over 2 hours now ergo everybody must already be away this weekend on try pointing safaris m ...
      Oct 18, 2002 @ 22:46 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
7651. Re: Cyprus
      My last info on the exclave is that the Turkish Army evacuated all the residents out of there. There is a UN buffer around the town, and the source material I
      Oct 18, 2002 @ 23:13 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
7652. Crossing Cyprus UN buffer zone
      According to the British Foreign and Commonwealth Office web site at http://www.fco.gov.uk/servlet/Front?pagename=OpenMarket%2FXcelerate%
      Oct 19, 2002 @ 13:08 - nfhodder ("nfhodder" <lists@...>)
7653. Re: Crossing Cyprus UN buffer zone
      ... web site at ... http://www.fco.gov.uk/servlet/Front?pagename=OpenMarket%2F Xcelerate% ... 2FShowPage&c=Page&cid=1007029390590&a=KCountryAdvice
      Oct 19, 2002 @ 20:28 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7654. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
      Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File : /Towns
      Oct 19, 2002 @ 23:07 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com (BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com )
7655. Towns and Townships
      I posted an essay I recieved from the comp.dcom.telecom Usnet newsgroup. In that newsgroup there was some confusion on what a Town/City/Village/Borough/etc was
      Oct 19, 2002 @ 23:12 - shocktm ("shocktm" <andrew@...>)
7656. Re: SPAM: [BoundaryPoint] Crossing Cyprus UN buffer zone
      Hi I ve crossed into the Turkish zone at Ledra Palace Hotel twice, in 1996 and 1999. The crossing procedure was straight-forward, took about half an hour from
      Oct 20, 2002 @ 06:50 - Rolf Palmberg LI ("Rolf Palmberg LI" <rpalmber@...>)
7657. Re: Crossing Cyprus UN buffer zone & tripointing champs
      ... cross to the Turkish side. good news & data rolf significantly promoting the backdoor approach for any turkish tripoint tries ... you re interested. ...
      Oct 20, 2002 @ 11:48 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7658. was Crossing Cyprus UN buffer zone & now tripointing details
      ... so i also took this opportunity to review your entire tripointing files with a fine toothed comb & to ferry back & forth not only to jespers via the handy
      Oct 20, 2002 @ 13:51 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7659. now tripointing details
      Mike Just a short note, perhaps a Pozor member would answer the rest of the questions. perhaps me? Who comes first!! On the Pozor trips it has been 9 days of
      Oct 20, 2002 @ 14:06 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7660. Re: now tripointing details
      ... Early morning and late nights. 15 hours in the van or more. absolutely i do realize that doing all this is very hard play indeed & in most ways probably a
      Oct 20, 2002 @ 15:55 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7661. Re: SPAM: [BoundaryPoint] Re: now tripointing details
      Hi mike I appreciated all your comments & questions, but as Jesper already pointed out, I too never thought of going into the exactness that your
      Oct 21, 2002 @ 05:32 - Rolf Palmberg (Rolf Palmberg <rpalmber@...>)
7662. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Rhode Island, Connecticut Feud Over Border Between Two Small Towns
      I d like to bring it home and put it in my back yard! ... From: Bill Hanrahan To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 2:40 PM
      Oct 22, 2002 @ 04:29 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
7663. is bzgtmx on the horizon
      http://www.df.lth.se/~cml/mexico-guatemala.jpg
      Oct 22, 2002 @ 10:26 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7664. save this rare cdrwug map for the eventual gcabe
      tripointing veterans who know how difficult it typically is to find a single continuous detail map of any given triarea may especially appreciate the
      Oct 22, 2002 @ 12:17 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7665. but could gthnsv really look like this up close
      thanx mostly to jesper we have already enjoyed several class e & d photos of the guatemala honduras elsalvador tripoint located high in the cloud forest atop
      Oct 22, 2002 @ 17:01 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7666. Re: but could gthnsv really look like this up close
      oops how about this way http:// www.elsalvador.com/planeta/2002/110402/fotos/Montecristo.JP G or http://www.elsalvador.com/planeta/2001/110402/fotos/Montecrist
      Oct 22, 2002 @ 17:06 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7667. NPR feature - "Moving to Nevada - A City Decides"
      fom Morning Edition, Tuesday, October 22, 2002 NPR s Alex Chadwick reports on the city of Wendover which is split by two states with very different laws. It is
      Oct 23, 2002 @ 02:51 - Andrew Schmidt (Andrew Schmidt <n2ftr@...>)
7668. RE: but could gthnsv really look like this up close
      ... You ll need a machete and a strong arm to get to bzgtmx at the moment - there s nothing but virgin rainforest for miles around. If you wish to play spot
      Oct 23, 2002 @ 13:11 - Martin Pratt ("Martin Pratt" <m.a.pratt@...>)
7669. Re: NPR feature - "Moving to Nevada - A City Decides"
      well my old mac wont hear of this tho i do know that the city or rather its electorate will decide only if it desires to move the line but then 2 govs & 3
      Oct 23, 2002 @ 14:13 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7670. re bzgtmx
      ... moment - ... wish to ... wonderful as ever to hear from you martin but with a pic of this virgin tricountry point in tow even if class e as in exray view
      Oct 23, 2002 @ 18:48 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7671. Re: re bzgtmx
      my mind is still swimming on this one so here are a few more strokes first since the referenda are scheduled for the last week of november one optimistic
      Oct 23, 2002 @ 22:12 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7672. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
      Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File : /US
      Oct 24, 2002 @ 02:53 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com (BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com )
7673. US maritime limits and boundaries
      Those of you interested in the United States maritime jurisdiction might be interested to look at the FGDC Marine Boundary Working Group website at
      Oct 24, 2002 @ 07:53 - Martin Pratt ("Martin Pratt" <m.a.pratt@...>)
7674. Re: re bzgtmx
      further clarifications about the tripoint position based on this report dated last month http://belize.centralamerica.com/noticias/detalle.asp?Id=643 first the
      Oct 24, 2002 @ 18:17 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7675. Re: re bzgtmx
      url corrected below apologies ... bzgt ... point ... bzmx ... terminated ... turbias
      Oct 24, 2002 @ 18:24 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7676. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: re bzgtmx
      Please verify URL 500 Can t connect to belize.centralamerica.com:80 (Bad hostname belize.centralamerica.com ) Jesper ... From: acroorca2002 To:
      Oct 24, 2002 @ 18:47 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7677. Southwestern Pointing
      This week I had the pleasure of making a class A visit to AZNVUT, a class B visit to AZCANV, and a class A/B visit to CAS, with good stories about all of them.
      Oct 25, 2002 @ 00:51 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
7678. Belize - Guatemala referendum
      From Channel 5, Belize City (Thur Oct 24): Referendum date postponed indefinitely Breaking news out of Belmopan tonight is that the deadline to set a date for
      Oct 26, 2002 @ 01:58 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
7679. Re: Belize - Guatemala referendum
      ok well it was indeed too optimistic to expect the completion in time for your new years visit but at least we have confirmed that the eventual tripoint
      Oct 26, 2002 @ 13:30 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7680. Re: Southwestern Pointing
      ... AZNVUT, a ... & i know those of us who may have visited these spots previously are sitting on the edge of our chairs now for 3 days in excited anticipation
      Oct 27, 2002 @ 14:46 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7681. aznvut puddle
      the attached pic taken a few years ago immediately following my third & finally successful try at the remote aznvut tripoint shows the navy van listing a bit
      Oct 27, 2002 @ 15:36 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@hotmail.com>)
7682. RE: [BoundaryPoint] aznvut puddle
      Michael, now I understand why you jumped into Okeechobee so easily! Bill
      Oct 27, 2002 @ 14:58 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
7683. Re: aznvut puddle
      ... so easily! right on bill i often do manage to perform my personal submerged lands act no matter how mild the provocation btw wasnt that another interesting
      Oct 27, 2002 @ 19:40 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7684. Kokkina
      Hi, My names Andrew, I m from Scotland and have been following posts for a while with interest. I ve unfortunately not been to as many borders as I d like! But
      Oct 27, 2002 @ 20:38 - rogart10 ("rogart10" <rogart10@...>)
7685. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Kokkina
      I will be pressing F5 on my keyboard until that photo arrives in my inbox, Andrew. Jesper ... From: rogart10 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday,
      Oct 27, 2002 @ 20:41 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7686. AZNVUT Details
      I placed the following description and a couple of photos on the Corner Corner at www.bjbsoftware.com/corners/pointdetail.php3?point=12. ... My visit to this
      Oct 27, 2002 @ 22:23 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
7687. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Kokkina
      Funny this should have been discussed yesterday, as I visited the area around Kokkina yesterday and took photos of Kokkina and the surrounding countryside,
      Oct 28, 2002 @ 09:46 - Nicholas F Hodder ("Nicholas F Hodder" <lists@...>)
7688. hollywood's possible secession from LA and more
      i live in southern california but just heard of this recently. apparently hollywood, which is part of the city of los angeles, wants to seceed and create a new
      Oct 29, 2002 @ 03:05 - Victor Cantore (Victor Cantore <drpotatoes@yahoo.com>)
7689. article about Moldauhafen and CSPL in Hamburg
      http://www.lode.cz/re/clanek.php?rub=5&ID=419 i found this link about the exclave of chechia in hamburger hafen. maybe someone of you can translate it. heres
      Oct 29, 2002 @ 11:18 - wertkauf@gmx.net (wertkauf@...)
7690. hopeful arbruy claim busted
      some of you may recall from message 760 this pic of the old brazilian witness monument overlooking arbruy http://www.info.lncc.br/wrmkkk/13pinice.html &
      Oct 29, 2002 @ 20:18 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7691. Re: AZNVUT Details
      ... by a bush. but aside from some moderate anxiety at the prospect ... i agree it is much easier to accept any mishaps after making ones point than before my
      Oct 30, 2002 @ 00:00 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7692. cyuk border marker
      While we wait for the Kokkina pictures (I am still pressing F5) I am very proud to present this attatched photo from the British Base boundary maintenance team
      Oct 30, 2002 @ 05:45 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
7693. Re: [BoundaryPoint] cyuk border marker
      The photograph was taken on the boundary near to Limassol just past the Phasouri Water Park by the way. J ... From: Jesper Nielsen To:
      Oct 30, 2002 @ 05:47 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7694. Re: hollywood's possible secession from LA and more
      interesting prospects victor & i think it also fair to say welcome back to the hood as we have been looking forward to your return from baarle & to your
      Oct 30, 2002 @ 05:56 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7695. AZCANV & CAS
      Details and photos of my recent visits to these points are located at: AZCANV - http://www.bjbsoftware.com/corners/pointdetail.php3?point=10 CAS -
      Oct 30, 2002 @ 11:17 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
7696. re azcanv & the greater dry cas area
      bravos brian that dry cas area is so full of real sea doo too but absolute or true cas 3 nautical miles seaward from the low tide line there along the monument
      Oct 30, 2002 @ 15:29 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@hotmail.com>)
7697. Re: re azcanv
      ... affected ... position anyway but a bigger problem with any class b claim to azcanv even assuming one could gauge the exact centerline of the river is that
      Oct 30, 2002 @ 23:30 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7698. Canadian Arrested at US Border -- for buying petrol/gas/fuel!
      This from the Globe and Mail newspaper: From globeandmail.com, Wednesday, October 30, 2002 Man jailed for cross-border gas trip OTTAWA -- U.S. Customs used to
      Oct 31, 2002 @ 08:22 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@...>)
7699. RE: [BoundaryPoint] cyuk border marker
      What s the best way of publishing my 26 Kokkina area pictures? They re all over 500kb and 1600x1200 resolution. I also have a few more of Nicosia, but there
      Oct 31, 2002 @ 08:49 - Nicholas F Hodder ("Nicholas F Hodder" <lists@...>)
7700. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Canadian Arrested at US Border -- for buying petrol/gas/fuel!
      The BBC has also published an article this morning on problems for Canadians entering the United States: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/americas/2379493.stm
      Oct 31, 2002 @ 08:39 - Nicholas F Hodder ("Nicholas F Hodder" <lists@...>)
7701. More on the Gas Pumping Border Crosser
      Here s several takes on the story... http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&q=Pohenegamook&sa=N&tab=wn Doug Doug Murray Productions /
      Oct 31, 2002 @ 16:31 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@...>)
7702. CANUS Gas Pumper -- Globe and Mail Story #2
      Ottawa tries to help Quebecker jailed in U.S. Canadian Press Wednesday, October 30 - Online Edition, Posted at 6:57 PM EST Ottawa - The Canadian government
      Oct 31, 2002 @ 16:34 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
7703. CANUS - Gas Guy: More
      The CTV Television Network has the story and video clips (!!!!) here: http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1036015183944_9/?hub=Canada Doug Doug
      Oct 31, 2002 @ 16:45 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@...>)
7704. Re: CANUS - Gas Guy: More
      ... whoops i already killed my tv but anyway what is so remarkable about a previously warned multiple offender illegal alien convicted violent criminal with a
      Oct 31, 2002 @ 19:29 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7705. Re: [BoundaryPoint] cyuk border marker
      MessageWell, There are places to make a free homepage. Example geocities.com Post it there and tell us the link. Jesper ... From: Nicholas F Hodder To:
      Oct 31, 2002 @ 19:53 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7706. BorderStories
      Here s part of the package going out to US and Canadian broadcasters -- pitching the (my) border series along the CAUS border... Cross your toes and fingers!
      Nov 01, 2002 @ 05:05 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
7707. Re: Canadian Arrested at US Border - Why?
      This makes no sense - one can export from the USA practically whatever one wants. What law in the US says one must tell customs one is exporting a tankfull of
      Nov 01, 2002 @ 05:35 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
7708. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Canadian Arrested at US Border - Why?
      /* RANT MODE ON */ Recently, the US Immigration and Naturalization Service has been catching flak for what one columnist calls the catch and release program
      Nov 01, 2002 @ 07:39 - Asher Samuels (Asher Samuels <asher972@...>)
7709. Re: Canadian Arrested at US Border - Why?
      ... thats perfectly ok & thanx for the heads up ... one is ... right exactly this nonevent was definitely not about exports good try tho since it had to be
      Nov 01, 2002 @ 14:14 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7710. Northwest Angle of Minnesota
      I did a quick search of the Boundary Point archives and didn t see this addressed: Anyone have a link on the net that gives a definitive history of how the
      Nov 01, 2002 @ 22:06 - sanfordblanton ("sanfordblanton" <sanfordblanton@...>)
7711. Re: CANUS - Gas Guy: More
      Hi, Mike, I must say I agree with you. When I first read the story I thought: Oh my, those Americans, don t they have other problems than harassing innocent
      Nov 01, 2002 @ 22:14 - anton_zeilinger ("anton_zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
7712. Re: Northwest Angle of Minnesota
      ... part of ... area? ... welcome walt bp discussions on these topics began around message 222 which will give you at least some of your answers in all i
      Nov 02, 2002 @ 01:32 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7713. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CANUS - Gas Guy: More
      Having spent time around the Stanstead, Quebec - Derby Line, Vermont area last September, I can tell you that the climate on border is much more serious.
      Nov 02, 2002 @ 02:28 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
7714. Re: Canadian Arrested at US Border - Why?
      I just want to reiterate, as an American, take away these stupid border crossings between our two countries. The terrorist first have to fly into North
      Nov 02, 2002 @ 03:35 - averillhecht ("averillhecht" <alhecht@...>)
7715. Re: CANUS - Gas Guy: More
      conditions on borders are always in a state of flux just like conditions everywhere only moreso since they straddle & are affected by 2 worlds & they are
      Nov 02, 2002 @ 04:41 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7716. Helgoland and Neuwerk
      Hi, I don t know if this has been discussed before, but there are two interesting islands off the coast of Germany. What is interesting is which territories
      Nov 02, 2002 @ 10:38 - anton_zeilinger ("anton_zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
7717. Re: Helgoland and Neuwerk
      ... two ... neuwerk has been a hot topic here since raised by arif in 1090 & crescendoing to your question in 3313 3318 3319 3322 3327 but especially 3339 &
      Nov 02, 2002 @ 14:59 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7718. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CANUS - Gas Guy: More
      Doug, don t you guys up there have some protection against cruel and unusual punishment? :-) Bill
      Nov 02, 2002 @ 15:09 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
7719. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CANUS - Gas Guy: More
      Cruel would be being forced to listen to Celine Dion, Bryan Adams AND Anne Murray -- at the same time. I gotta get back to the trap lines... Doug ... From:
      Nov 02, 2002 @ 16:56 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
7720. Re: Helgoland and Neuwerk
      Hi, ... Oops, I knew there had been some discussion already... Oh, well... ... the ... triple ... Yea, I meant a tertiary exclave, not, of course those
      Nov 02, 2002 @ 21:13 - anton_zeilinger ("anton_zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
7721. Re: Helgoland and Neuwerk
      ... on my ... hahaha well i am just tickled by all our rampant nomenclature & coding & didnt mean to criticize your terminology but only to offer that small
      Nov 03, 2002 @ 02:48 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7722. Re: Canadian Arrested at US Border - Why?
      acroorca2002, that last one was a good read. I enjoyed it. A couple of messages after the first one broke went into the weapons deal - it wasn t over gas at
      Nov 03, 2002 @ 03:46 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
7723. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Canadian Arrested at US Border - Why?
      Guess what.... American gas isn t really all that cheaper. Another myth. On Nov 2, 2002, regular gas in Vancouver was 66.9 Canadian cents per litre and in
      Nov 03, 2002 @ 09:24 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
7724. Officials inspect town border markers
      http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/Main.asp?SectionID=25&SubSectionID=377&ArticleID=67093
      Oct 03, 2002 @ 16:21 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7725. Re: Northwest Angle of Minnesota
      Two things. First of all, Mike mentioned this at one time, but it seems to have never came up, but the Southeast portion of Alaska in the panhandle is actually
      Nov 03, 2002 @ 19:59 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
7726. ASC - The Centre of ASIA
      Today I saw a fascinating tv-program on throat-singing in Tuva (RU). It also showed a monument in the capital of Kyzyl marking the centre of Asia. Here are
      Nov 03, 2002 @ 21:08 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
7727. TRI-STATE CORNERS IN CIMARRON COUNTY OKLAHOMA - PART I
      Each year the Highpointers Club ( www.Highpointers.org ) meets near the highest point in one of the US States. This year the convention was held in Kenton, OK
      Nov 04, 2002 @ 01:32 - jparsell ("jparsell" <jparsell@northnet.org>)
7728. CAUS - BCWA Border Visit
      It was another nice day here in the Vancouver area, so I hopped in a (borrowed) car and went for a little drive. Before I knew it, I was driving down Zero
      Nov 04, 2002 @ 02:06 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
7729. CAUS -- Marker #19
      It was a lovely November day... here is marker #19, with Mount Baker (US) in the background. I am standing in Canada. Doug Murray Productions / Border Films
      Nov 04, 2002 @ 02:14 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
7730. CAUS - #19
      Here s a wider shot of #19 with Mount Baker, WA in the background. Note the newly painted base. Doug Murray Productions / Border Films CBC Infomatrix / CBC
      Nov 04, 2002 @ 02:16 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
7731. CAUS #7
      Here s a nice wide shot of #7 adorned with the pumpkin. It even seems creepy with the light. Anyway, you can see the new paint, and the closeness of the
      Nov 04, 2002 @ 02:19 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
7732. CAUS - Peace Arch
      A couple more: 1. Kids playing football/soccer through the peach arch. Goal just scored on Canadian territory. 2. The BC sign that welcomes you. 3. A sign
      Nov 04, 2002 @ 02:31 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
7733. CAUS - Marker #5a
      At the Highway #99 - I5 crossing between Blaine, WA and Douglas, BC, there are numerous markers. Coming from the salty waters of Semiahmoo Bay -- the boundary
      Nov 04, 2002 @ 02:55 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
7734. CAUS -- Peace Arch Photos
      More: 1. Nautical Marker--Seimahmoo Bay: immediately west of the Blain/Douglas crossing. In the distance you can see the cleared vista which is actually
      Nov 04, 2002 @ 03:13 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
7735. RE: [BoundaryPoint] CAUS #7
      Great shots, Doug. Keep em coming. Dallen
      Nov 04, 2002 @ 03:22 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
7736. Re: CAUS - BCWA Border Visit
      Acctualy, the border was not shut on 9-11. The US customs people wanted to make that clear and it was all over the news, even down where I live, Philadelphia.
      Nov 04, 2002 @ 05:03 - averillhecht ("averillhecht" <alhecht@...>)
7737. new book
      I just saw an advertisement for the following new book: Rights of passage, the passport in international relations by Mark B Salter c.200 pages, release: April
      Nov 04, 2002 @ 06:28 - b.whyte@pgrad.unimelb.edu.au (b.whyte@...)
7738. Re: Northwest Angle of Minnesota
      ... hahaha of course no apology needed my friend & you are right about tarr inlet as you can see here in this usgs map made just before the glacier end finally
      Nov 04, 2002 @ 11:24 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7739. Re: ASC - The Centre of ASIA
      ... great to see an island nation claiming to be at the geographical center of asia even without a monument it reminds me that the usgs claims that the
      Nov 04, 2002 @ 11:38 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7740. Re: TRI-STATE CORNERS IN CIMARRON COUNTY OKLAHOMA - PART I
      ... One day during the ... tri-points ... congrats to you jack & your entire group for setting a new worlds record for the largest known party ever to visit a
      Nov 04, 2002 @ 11:42 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7741. Re: CAUS -- Peace Arch Photos
      ... Blain/Douglas crossing. In the distance you can see the cleared vista which is actually Roosevelt Ave. in Point Roberts. And the border! luckily doug &
      Nov 04, 2002 @ 12:13 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7742. Re: CAUS -- Peace Arch Photos
      Hi, Doug, thanks for all the great picture! I really enjoyed them! I especially liked the pumpkin. ... Customs and Immigration. This is about 4pm on a Sunday.
      Nov 04, 2002 @ 13:32 - anton_zeilinger ("anton_zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
7743. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CAUS - BCWA Border Visit
      The news we got here from official agencies and the press was that all access to and from the US was sealed (ie borders closed) for approximately eight hours
      Nov 04, 2002 @ 15:00 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
7744. CAUS - Quebec-Vermont Gas
      More on the border gas story: U.S. approved gas trips for Quebeckers By CAMPBELL CLARK Saturday, November 2, 2002 - Print Edition, Page A10 OTTAWA -- The U.S.
      Nov 04, 2002 @ 16:10 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
7745. FUNNY: Michigan becomes Canada's 11th Province
      From the Globe and Mail: Canada s 11th province? That would be Michigan By GEORGE GOLUBOVSKIS Saturday, November 2, 2002 - Print Edition, Page A19 As Michigan
      Nov 04, 2002 @ 16:40 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
7746. US Border Controls and Canada -- an editorial
      Even more from the Globe and Mail. This an editorial about the recent issue of US authorities singling out Canadian (and other) citizens born in certain
      Nov 04, 2002 @ 17:00 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
7747. Re: [BoundaryPoint] US Border Controls and Canada -- an editorial
      ... This is border paranoia at its best. It s completely mystifing to an outsider why two nations that share a similar heritage, cultural values and economic
      Nov 04, 2002 @ 18:12 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
7748. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CAUS - BCWA Border Visit
      RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CAUS - BCWA Border VisitI m going to go to one of the local TV stations and see if I can find any videotape of the sealed border. It
      Nov 04, 2002 @ 18:40 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
7749. Re: US Border Controls and Canada -- an editorial
      ... they ... an ... values and ... all. It s ... third ... THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU! KEVIN. Truer words were never spoken! You are soooo right, that
      Nov 04, 2002 @ 21:17 - averillhecht ("averillhecht" <alhecht@...>)
7750. Re: Officials inspect town border markers
      ... http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/Main.asp?SectionID=25&SubS ectionID=377&ArticleID=67093 http://www.stephaniepiro.com/fc135.htm
      Nov 04, 2002 @ 23:28 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7751. Re: Officials inspect town border markers
      ah well if you want to see the newfound quintipoint the topozone url below needs hand completion of its second line & a long download but its worth it
      Nov 04, 2002 @ 23:36 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7752. Re: Officials inspect town border markers
      I actually have first-hand experience with this activity. My wife and I were appointed by the local Board of Selectmen to perambukate and mark the bounds of
      Nov 05, 2002 @ 00:25 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
7753. michigan
      Re Michigan s upper peninsula: 1805, Michigan was defined as territory east of a line down the centre of Lake Michigan from the southern to the northernmostp
      Nov 05, 2002 @ 00:29 - b.whyte@pgrad.unimelb.edu.au (b.whyte@...)
7754. Re: CAUS - Quebec-Vermont Gas
      Wait, so people with criminal record are banned from entering the US? Are there any exceptions to this? I mean at least to me it makes no sense that someone
      Nov 05, 2002 @ 00:36 - Karolis B ("Karolis B" <kbajoras@...>)
7755. Re: US Border Controls and Canada -- an editorial
      It s not that I m against an open border, but the 9/11 terrorists entered the US on legitimate passports issued by a friendly country. is exactly why the
      Nov 05, 2002 @ 00:57 - Karolis B ("Karolis B" <kbajoras@...>)
7756. Sales Pitch - Exclave Stamps
      Some of you who visited my exclave.info website have seen I illustrate a lot of philatelic history with respect to enclaves and odd territories. I just came
      Nov 05, 2002 @ 04:23 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
7757. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: US Border Controls and Canada -- an editorial
      It s such a weird issue... on one side, the border defines two sovereign nations -- who must look out for themselves and protect their citizens. On the other
      Nov 05, 2002 @ 07:03 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
7758. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CAUS - Quebec-Vermont Gas
      I don t know if it applies to all crimes, but I think it does. US INS and/or Customs can also issue a 5-year entry ban on the spot, without appeal. ... From:
      Nov 05, 2002 @ 07:05 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
7759. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CAUS -- Peace Arch Photos
      Anton: The PACE lane was a special lane for cars and individuals who had gone through a security clearance and were allowed to cross the border without
      Nov 05, 2002 @ 07:22 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
7760. Re: [BoundaryPoint] TRI-STATE CORNERS IN CIMARRON COUNTY OKLAHOMA - PART I
      Looking forward to more! Congratulations!!! ... From: jparsell To: Boundary Point Cc: HPerNews@diac.com ; Roger Rowlett ; jtousdale@mmcable.com ; Jim Sutton
      Nov 05, 2002 @ 07:23 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
7761. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CAUS -- Peace Arch Photos
      And I thought it was a nice walk in the park!! Thanks for pointing all these points out... Doug ... From: acroorca2002 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent:
      Nov 05, 2002 @ 07:27 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
7762. Re: [BoundaryPoint] US Border Controls and Canada -- an editorial
      Doug, ... I allow myself a wry smile when I hear this argument. As you may be aware, the UK refused to join the Schengen Area citing the same reasons, yet any
      Nov 05, 2002 @ 09:31 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
7763. Re: [BoundaryPoint] US Border Controls and Canada -- an editorial
      ... Even if Canadians are subject to the same border controls as everyone else, I still don t understand how it would prevent individuals travelling on
      Nov 05, 2002 @ 09:40 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
7764. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CAUS - Quebec-Vermont Gas
      Karolis, ... I would guess because there have threats or actual attacks against US interests by Greek terrorist groups (at least in the past). There has
      Nov 05, 2002 @ 09:53 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
7765. Re: CAUS -- Peace Arch Photos
      ... you betcha it was nice & thanx for understanding in fact it is always my pleasure to observe & remark whenever anyone is being particularly on point or
      Nov 05, 2002 @ 11:55 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7766. Re: [BoundaryPoint] US Border Controls and Canada -- an editorial
      I think the border control issue is becoming a dead horse now, but what the hey... Here is my editorial now - I do agree with the idea that the whole idea of
      Nov 05, 2002 @ 15:22 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
7767. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CAUS -- Peace Arch Photos
      ... Apologies for being one of those responsible for diverting from the point(s) ;-) Does anyone know of another list where it would be more appropriate to
      Nov 05, 2002 @ 16:51 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
7768. Re: CAUS -- Peace Arch Photos
      thanx kevin nor did i mean to imply diversions & excursions are unwelcome or inappropriate here far from it so far as i am concerned anyway at the very least
      Nov 05, 2002 @ 17:20 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7769. Re: CAUS -- Peace Arch Photos
      ... more ... Please keep those photos coming. They are great and opoint. Averill
      Nov 05, 2002 @ 19:19 - averillhecht ("averillhecht" <alhecht@...>)
7770. Re: Officials inspect town border markers
      actually these are 2 slightly different practices tho both go by the same name of perambulation the new hampshire style as previously reported by jesper is
      Nov 05, 2002 @ 20:01 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7771. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Officials inspect town border markers
      I cannot believe the fuss the Americans are making about their town boundaries. During the last couple of months I have been chacing municipality tripoints
      Nov 05, 2002 @ 20:20 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7772. historical diagram of michigan
      hopefully attached if not also readable is the michigan map brendan referred to in message 7753 it is one of the wildest of the many incredible state diagrams
      Nov 05, 2002 @ 20:23 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@hotmail.com>)
7773. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CAUS -- Peace Arch Photos
      I had a meeting at a conservation facility in Fort Langley, BC today... the have all sorts of rare animals and neat creatures like giraffes and rhinos.
      Nov 05, 2002 @ 21:56 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
7774. Re: CAUS -- Peace Arch Photos
      that is so poetic doug with an opointing encore on zero ave yet ... today... the have all sorts of rare animals and neat creatures like giraffes and rhinos.
      Nov 05, 2002 @ 22:25 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7775. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CAUS -- Peace Arch Photos
      I echo Michael s sentiment...discussion of all types relative to borders, multipoints, etc. are not only welcome., but encouraged. Bill
      Nov 05, 2002 @ 23:13 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
7776. Re: Officials inspect town border markers
      henry david thoreau also perambulated a massachusetts town per http://www.walden.org/scholarship/e/ells_steve/estabrook/saunt erer/Saunterer_full.html but it
      Nov 05, 2002 @ 23:48 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7777. message 7777 try
      will this be our 7th intentional maximessage in a row of course we wont know until it gets assigned a number but there is no question that multipointing is
      Nov 05, 2002 @ 23:51 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
7778. Re: US Border Controls and Canada -- an editorial
      ... travelling on ... I guess it wouldn t prevent them and I don t think that it is supposed to prevent them, it s for registering them. US must have some good
      Nov 06, 2002 @ 01:05 - Karolis B ("Karolis B" <kbajoras@...>)
7779. Re: CAUS -- Peace Arch Photos
      
      Nov 06, 2002 @ 02:33 - averillhecht ("averillhecht" <alhecht@...>)
7780. Re: CAUS -- Peace Arch Photos
      ... borders, ... I not only want to reiterate the above, but again take the opportunity to say that you did it again! You have out done yourself with your
      Nov 06, 2002 @ 02:49 - averillhecht ("averillhecht" <alhecht@...>)
7781. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CAUS -- Peace Arch Photos
      Averill & All... Thanks for all the feedback and kind words. I went through my Peace Arch pictures from the weekend and found some that show the pavement
      Nov 06, 2002 @ 03:47 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
7782. Border Freak Post Cards ... #1 in a series!
      Fun with Photoshop! Enjoy! Doug Doug Murray Productions / Border Films CBC Infomatrix / CBC POV Sports Vancouver BC 604-728-1407 Best Vancouver excuse for
      Nov 06, 2002 @ 03:48 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
7783. Border Freak Post Cards #2 in a series!
      Another one. Austria-Italy-Slovenia. Good Night! Doug Doug Murray Productions / Border Films CBC Infomatrix / CBC POV Sports Vancouver BC 604-728-1407 Best
      Nov 06, 2002 @ 03:59 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
7784. Re: CAUS -- Peace Arch Photos
      ... i would agree they is on line if that are what you mean averill but they is not on point however you was uncannily right the first time to engineer the new
      Nov 06, 2002 @ 12:19 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7785. Berlin - Former Seeburg enclave near Tiefwerder - maps etc.
      First, sorry to e-mail recipients for large attachment but I think it s worth to be archived and file area is full. Tried my softwares best to compress the
      Nov 06, 2002 @ 12:31 - Wolfgang Pietsch (Wolfgang Pietsch <wpi@berlin.snafu.de>)
7786. Re: Berlin - Former Seeburg enclave near Tiefwerder - maps etc.
      ... Wolfgang, This is interesting material. With respect to Berlin not only had exclaves, there was 1 enclave , what do you consider the status of the Soviet
      Nov 06, 2002 @ 15:22 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
7787. Re: CAUS -- Peace Arch Photos
      ... I wrote that in a hurry. I DID try to correct the spelling and repost, I guess it did not go through. Forgive me for human fallacies. Try to forgive my
      Nov 06, 2002 @ 18:12 - averillhecht ("averillhecht" <alhecht@...>)
7788. Re: CAUS -- Peace Arch Photos
      yikes averill i hasnt meant to hurt your feelers but are just having a funs with you & would myselves always prefers to be improved upon so pleased dont
      Nov 06, 2002 @ 23:53 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7789. Re: Visa Waiver Program
      Thanks for the link, Kevin! Very interesting material. I see what you re saying about Greece. What I don t get is how they got into EU in the first place. I
      Nov 07, 2002 @ 02:38 - Karolis B ("Karolis B" <kbajoras@...>)
7790. record tripointing & perambulation party
      well jack while we are looking forward to the dropping of your other shoes it looks like your worlds record tripointing party of 25 people may have been
      Nov 07, 2002 @ 02:50 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7791. Re: US Border Controls and Canada -- an editorial
      ... sovereign nations -- who must look out for themselves and protect their citizens. On the other side, the similarities between Canada and the US are
      Nov 07, 2002 @ 02:51 - Karolis B ("Karolis B" <kbajoras@...>)
7792. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: US Border Controls and Canada -- an edito rial
      Off the border subject, I think Tim Hortons (the Canadian donut chain) is better than Krispy Kreme! Actually it is a border issue, as several years ago, TH was
      Nov 07, 2002 @ 03:01 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
7793. Re: CAUS - Quebec-Vermont Gas
      ... INS and/or Customs can also issue a 5-year entry ban on the spot, without appeal. ... Well that s a little unreasonable, don t you think? I mean there s
      Nov 07, 2002 @ 03:12 - Karolis B ("Karolis B" <kbajoras@...>)
7794. Re: US Border Controls and Canada -- an edito rial
      ... chain) is ... years ... years ... beyond the ... OK then, Tim Horton donuts for Candian Arabs, Krispy Kreme for the rest...:)
      Nov 07, 2002 @ 03:21 - Karolis B ("Karolis B" <kbajoras@...>)
7795. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re:_US_Border_Controls_and_Canada_--_an_edito rial
      someone s never been to KK when the hot doughnuts now sign is on! wow they just melt in your mouth ... __________________________________________________ Do
      Nov 07, 2002 @ 04:01 - Victor Cantore (Victor Cantore <drpotatoes@...>)
7796. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CAUS -- Peace Arch Photos
      Doug, You got it! Why do you think I (we) eat this stuff up?! It amazes me that one political line drawn in the dirt/water/sand/air, etc. can mean complete
      Nov 07, 2002 @ 04:39 - Brendan (Brendan <pit.hokie@...>)
7797. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: US Border Controls and Canada -- an edito rial
      Strangely enough. I have never tasted a Krispy Kreme doughnut or Tim Horton s. Seen quite a few TH s in Canada. Dunkin Donuts pretty much has a monopoly
      Nov 07, 2002 @ 04:43 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
7798. Re: Berlin - Soviet "enclaves" (was: Former Seeburg enclave ...)
      ... This was strictly outside Berlin administrative authority. It was not considered as en enclave of Berlin-Mitte (Sov.sect.) inside Berlin-Tiergarten
      Nov 07, 2002 @ 05:05 - Wolfgang Pietsch ("Wolfgang Pietsch" <wpi@...>)
7799. Berlin maps
      I have never seen a Berlin map showing both the border and and the wall (incuding nomansland ). Touristic maps tend to show the wall, while topographic maps
      Nov 07, 2002 @ 05:11 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7800. US detains Canadian in Canada. Whoops!
      .....well sort of, depending on what you make of the article. -Mike link: http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/
      Nov 07, 2002 @ 05:19 - Mike ("Mike" <mls515@...>)
7801. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Visa Waiver Program
      Karolis, ... I don t wish to offend any Greek people on this list, but even veteran EU officials will tell you that it s a mystery how Greece managed to
      Nov 07, 2002 @ 11:03 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
7802. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: US Border Controls and Canada -- an edito rial
      haha Funny you mentioned that! I was in Boston a few weeks ago and made the same observation. A friend told me that was the case because Dunkin Donuts is
      Nov 07, 2002 @ 12:00 - Brendan (Brendan <pit.hokie@...>)
7803. ...new member...
      Just last week, I was at the abandoned Old Rte 9 border crossing in Champlain, NY, and was met by two Border Patrol SUV K9 units... and I honestly thought, as
      Nov 07, 2002 @ 12:52 - Meridien24 ("Meridien24" <meridien24@...>)
7804. donut tripointing was Re: US Border Controls and Canada -- an edito rial
      ... doughnut or Tim ... pretty much has ... Massachusetts has ... boy am i glad you mentioned this mike since lately any stray association anyone has with
      Nov 07, 2002 @ 13:28 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7805. Re: [BoundaryPoint] donut tripointing
      ... There seems to be a degree of Y2K-style paranoia about reaching message 10000. I m on another Yahoogroups list which well over that figure and indeed is
      Nov 07, 2002 @ 13:55 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
7806. Re: donut tripointing
      wow no paranoia here but which list i gotta see this ... before 10000 if ... reaching message ... figure and ... plenty of room for
      Nov 07, 2002 @ 13:59 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7807. Re: donut tripointing
      Hi, even though I come from Vienna, Austria, where we have wonderful, world-famous pastries, I still love American-style donuts, which you won t find in
      Nov 07, 2002 @ 15:14 - anton_zeilinger ("anton_zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
7808. A bit of everything
      About the Berlin enclaves, how about the three Eiskeller enclaves of East Germany in West? And I reiterate my objection to include the cemetery in the same
      Nov 07, 2002 @ 15:46 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
7809. special to accretion & avulsion freaks etc
      http://www.pobonline.com/CDA/ArticleInformation/Surveyor_Item/ 0,2408,8490,00.html is an article entitled the supreme court view of river mouths & islands with
      Nov 07, 2002 @ 18:31 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7810. Re: US Border Controls and Canada -- an editorial
      ... language, ... know ... I ... nation. ... if ... war. ... be ... airports ... give ... Personally, I like Tim Horton s myself. Whenever I go to Canada,
      Nov 07, 2002 @ 18:51 - averillhecht ("averillhecht" <alhecht@...>)
7811. little mouth of rio grande is wet again
      http://www.reporter-news.com/1998/2002/texas/texas_Rains_reu116.html reports that the rio grande no longer peters out before reaching the gulf of mexico thanx
      Nov 07, 2002 @ 23:29 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
7812. meanwhile back on caus
      http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2002/11/07/jalbert_021107 the latest on jalbert the jailbird _________________________________________________________________ Add
      Nov 07, 2002 @ 23:39 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
7813. meanwhile back on mxus
      http://www.borderlandnews.com/stories/borderland/20021020-34250.shtml _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get
      Nov 08, 2002 @ 00:13 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
7814. CAUS - Gas Guy -- The Bangor (Maine) Daily News Editorial.
      More on this story from the editorial pages of the Bangor (Maine) Daily News... and note the highlighted comments at the end... did we know this before??
      Nov 08, 2002 @ 03:17 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@...>)
7815. CAUS Gas Guy - From the Portland (Maine) Press Herald
      Portland Press Herald Sometimes enforcing the letter of the law produces results that seem a little odd, even though they can t be called unjust. Such is the
      Nov 08, 2002 @ 03:23 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@...>)
7816. Tripointing Terrorists
      Yes folks looks like tripointing has taken a turn for the worst. Hopefully stories like this won t taint such a wholesome activity for the rest of us.
      Nov 08, 2002 @ 03:27 - Victor Cantore (Victor Cantore <drpotatoes@...>)
7817. Re: Berlin - Soviet "enclaves" - just thanks)
      Thanks s much for that.... it was enlightening. Regards Len Nadybal
      Nov 08, 2002 @ 03:31 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
7818. Re: [BoundaryPoint] meanwhile back on mxus
      hahahahaha i m surprised anything was left of that car; i mean a freshly wrecked 1979 camaro is a hot ticket and would bring a high price anywhere Also, from
      Nov 08, 2002 @ 03:38 - Victor Cantore (Victor Cantore <drpotatoes@yahoo.com>)
7819. CAUS: US Border Patrol Fisticuffs in Quebec
      How this one for a twist? Do we have a great border here in North America, or what!? Doug Scuffle adds to border tensions By CAMPBELL CLARK Globe and Mail
      Nov 08, 2002 @ 04:37 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
7820. CAUS: Donuts (Doughnuts)
      Some words about the size of Tim Horton s in Canada and the US from their website: The chain s focus on top quality, always fresh product and friendly,
      Nov 08, 2002 @ 04:56 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@...>)
7821. Re: CAUS - #19
      hmmmm this photo brings up a question that i have had for a while and mike you seem like the person who would know the answer there s always a buffer of a foot
      Nov 08, 2002 @ 05:02 - Victor Cantore (Victor Cantore <drpotatoes@yahoo.com>)
7822. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CAUS - #19
      I have notice the same difference between DEDK and the property fences in a few areas. When we visited the Danish Survey Office (www.kms.dk) in charge of the
      Nov 08, 2002 @ 05:30 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
7823. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CAUS - #19
      From the treaty: Thence the boundary follows the municipal border between Harreslev and Froslev to a point about 400 meters North of the farm Simondys, then
      Nov 08, 2002 @ 05:37 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7824. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CAUS - #19
      Jesper.... With regards to I think asking the farmers is these questions would share more light than asking the officials, as it s there own property.
      Nov 08, 2002 @ 06:44 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
7825. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CAUS - #19
      It s hard to tell from the picture, but the fence actually is on the borderline, but then shifts to make space around the marker. I m attaching a picture I
      Nov 08, 2002 @ 06:42 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
7826. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CAUS - #19
      But are there Krispy Kremes in Copenhagen? ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 9:37 PM Subject: Re:
      Nov 08, 2002 @ 06:47 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
7827. Re: Berlin maps - Steinstuecken with NoMansLand
      ... This might be a good source, Dokumentation der Landesgrenze der Länder Berlin und Brandenburg (Documentation of Federal State Boundary Berlin and
      Nov 08, 2002 @ 11:26 - Wolfgang Pietsch (Wolfgang Pietsch <wpi@berlin.snafu.de>)
7828. Re: CAUS - #19
      ... yikes i dont know but heres my guess in general when fences or walls etc straddle a boundary it probably indicates that they are bilateral creations just
      Nov 08, 2002 @ 12:32 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7829. Re: CAUS: Donuts (Doughnuts)
      ... wow all 3 are right yeaynuts & cheers unto the very borders of the borders
      Nov 08, 2002 @ 13:40 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7830. Re: Tripointing Terrorists
      ... yes have no fear our tripunctual terra ists will laugh them away
      Nov 08, 2002 @ 13:59 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7831. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CAUS - #19
      Never seen any. What are they? ... From: Doug Murray To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 7:47 AM Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re:
      Nov 08, 2002 @ 15:59 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7832. Locals: was CAUS - #19
      Doug, I did not mean to ask the locals where and why is the border this and that! But why is their fence this and that! Talking about locals, on GEEBE we were
      Nov 08, 2002 @ 18:18 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
7833. baarle was caus
      ... i feel that too as your armchair companion i am excited for a report did you bag the border cross
      Nov 08, 2002 @ 20:55 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7834. Zero Avenue: revisited
      My TV work took me out to Langley, BC today -- which meant I was close to Zero Ave again along the CAUS border between Washington and British Columbia. The
      Nov 08, 2002 @ 22:02 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
7835. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CAUS - #19
      Donuts! Like beer, but made of dough and very sweet. I guess they re nothing like beer ;) D ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent:
      Nov 08, 2002 @ 22:04 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
7836. metanoia was donut tripointing
      in case anyone else was curious about the egroup that has reached nearly 6 digits worth of messages kevin was kind enough to answer my question off list & i
      Nov 08, 2002 @ 22:07 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7837. Border Freak Sign!
      I also saw this.... Must have known I was coming. Doug Doug Murray Productions / Border Films CBC Infomatrix / CBC POV Sports Vancouver BC 604-728-1407 Best
      Nov 08, 2002 @ 22:16 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
7838. Re: Border Freak Sign!
      ... I am going to dig up some of my pictures I took some years ago and send them to you, Doug. I, and many others here really appreciate your efforts! Averill
      Nov 08, 2002 @ 22:23 - averillhecht ("averillhecht" <alhecht@...>)
7839. awesome job offer for bounders
      finally heres a way for border freaks & even try pointers to get paid for eating their favorite candy if it hasnt already been scooped up
      Nov 09, 2002 @ 00:19 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
7840. corrected url Re: awesome job offer for bounders
      blooops please ignore previous url & apply for an application here instead http://groups.google.com/groups?q=%22international+boundary
      Nov 09, 2002 @ 00:45 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7841. Berlin - TV Report "The lost Border" - Sat. Nov. 9
      For those of you who can receive from European ASTRA satellite I recommend this broadcast on German (adfree) docu channel PHOENIX. Die verschwundene Grenze
      Nov 09, 2002 @ 03:41 - Wolfgang Pietsch ("Wolfgang Pietsch" <wpi@...>)
7842. corrected url Re: awesome job offer for bounders
      ... Did you notice the date on that?
      Nov 09, 2002 @ 06:16 - Karolis B ("Karolis B" <kbajoras@...>)
7843. D-DK border
      From the Deutsche Welle website... there are some pictures there as well. http://dw-world.de/english/0,3367,1433_A_671511_1_A,00.html - Doug 08.11.2002
      Nov 09, 2002 @ 06:27 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
7844. corrected url Re: awesome job offer for bounders
      ... http://groups.google.com/groups?q=%22international+boundary ... %22&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=7n96vn%24jr5%241%40pula. ... yes 26 july 99
      Nov 09, 2002 @ 08:05 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7845. supremes refuse to hear of huge mohawk smuggling hole at caus2nyonqc
      or canada smokes as usual as the traditional indian tobacco trade around a very special trijunction gains in dc this week
      Nov 09, 2002 @ 13:34 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
7846. wendover referendum advances union but nevadans object etc
      http://www.sltrib.com/11092002/opinion/opinion.htm understandably the cottontails are not even mentioned in this editorial opinion from salt lake
      Nov 09, 2002 @ 15:32 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
7847. CRNI (?) Costa Rica - Nicaragua dispute
      From the Tico Times (27-9-2002) Residents facing eviction say new border markers were put in the wrong place. The incessant drizzle only exacerbates the thick
      Nov 09, 2002 @ 21:08 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
7848. Border Freak Post Cards #3 in a series
      Enjoy! Doug Murray Productions / Border Films CBC Infomatrix / CBC POV Sports Vancouver BC 604-728-1407 Best Vancouver excuse for being late for work: A
      Nov 09, 2002 @ 23:38 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
7849. A GCEBE memory!
      Doug Murray Productions / Border Films CBC Infomatrix / CBC POV Sports Vancouver BC 604-728-1407 Best Vancouver excuse for being late for work: A movie was
      Nov 10, 2002 @ 00:15 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
7850. nigerians blast icj for recent cmng decision favoring cameroon
      nigeria has formally reneged on its promise to be bound by last months ruling on the cnmg boundary by the international court of justice at the hague alleging
      Nov 10, 2002 @ 05:28 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
7851. Re: CRNI (?) Costa Rica - Nicaragua dispute
      yes crni & you can easily check any diglyphs at our bottom link interesting that costa rica is the rich man of central america with lots of american
      Nov 10, 2002 @ 05:41 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7852. pix of class e try at dzlytn
      very near fort saint at southernmost tunisia tns http://www.esplorando.com/esplorando/proposte/tunisia.html
      Nov 10, 2002 @ 13:12 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
7853. Re: pix of class e try at dzlytn
      for particulars of why the point is so elusive see especially part 3 of http://www.fsu.edu/library/collection/LimitsinSeas/IBS001.pdf the premier issue of the
      Nov 10, 2002 @ 13:45 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7854. Re: pix of class e try at dzlytn
      for a pretty good detail map of the try area http://www.manntaylor.com/forts2.html at about the middle of the page & if the ibs site at fsu below eludes you
      Nov 10, 2002 @ 14:20 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7855. 5 tries at aonazm all class e
      http://www.cybertonature.co.za/Cuandobase.jpg & http://www.cybertonature.co.za/kwando.jpg but the objective is the exact spot where the thalweg of the stream
      Nov 10, 2002 @ 23:31 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
7856. Re: awesome job offer for bounders
      There are 147,000 solicitations (RFPs) listed at your cited URL! Which one of them is the one that the 3-pointed scholars are not supposed to miss? LN in DC
      Nov 11, 2002 @ 02:46 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
7857. bfbjtg try class e
      http://www.confluence.org/confluence.php?lat=11&lon=1 comes within about 5 minutes or perhaps 5 miles of the indefinite benin burkina togo tripoint in wild
      Nov 11, 2002 @ 02:46 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
7858. corrected url Re: awesome job offer for bounders
      Oops. Sorry. I didn t read far enough.
      Nov 11, 2002 @ 02:47 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
7859. corrected url Re: awesome job offer for bounders
      thats ok i like how we sandwiched the bfbjtg try ... http://groups.google.com/groups?q=%22international+boundary ...
      Nov 11, 2002 @ 02:52 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7860. VTNYQC - been done?
      Greetings again - Business will be taking me on the road near CAUS-VTNYQC this week - has it been done, or should I pack the ole camera? And no, I won t be
      Nov 11, 2002 @ 10:49 - Meridien24 ("Meridien24" <meridien24@...>)
7861. Re: VTNYQC - been done?
      hi jay both your posts were well enjoyed the attached pic was taken from the bridge on a dark day ny at left vt at right qc on the horizon i believe the
      Nov 11, 2002 @ 13:49 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@hotmail.com>)
7862. New Kaliningrad Transit Pass
      A news story appears today at the URL below about the Russian president signing a treaty with the European Union, in which the EU will compromise on the issue
      Nov 11, 2002 @ 14:43 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
7863. Re: VTNYQC - been done?
      Your best bet would be to drive out to the fortification shown in Mike s photo and canoe out from there. The fort is Fort Montgomery, built but never used.
      Nov 11, 2002 @ 15:24 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
7864. 11/11 11:11
      Trying to post a message at 11:11 on 11/11. BJB
      Nov 11, 2002 @ 16:11 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
7865. RE: [BoundaryPoint] New Kaliningrad Transit Pass
      It has been discussed long if this visa in fact shall look like a credit card and a magnetic strip or an OCR-area, in order to handle a big number of
      Nov 11, 2002 @ 16:43 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
7866. Re: VTNYQC - been done?
      Ol Ft. Blunder happens to be my desktop picture! -- check out the link below. It s only about 100 yards from the tripoint. Driving to Ft Montgomery is, well,
      Nov 11, 2002 @ 16:55 - Meridien24 ("Meridien24" <meridien24@...>)
7867. Re: VTNYQC - been done?
      oops i just found maptech gives a much better map than topozone & it does show a road crossing the moat to montgomery island so some remnant of that connection
      Nov 11, 2002 @ 19:57 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7868. Re: VTNYQC - been done?
      TopoZone seems to have the border misplaced!... Ft Montgomery isn t even there! Weird. Maptech s server must be down, I keep getting 404 s... I ll use
      Nov 11, 2002 @ 21:28 - Meridien24 ("Meridien24" <meridien24@...>)
7869. Length CYUK
      Anibody? Gideon? Jesper
      Nov 11, 2002 @ 21:33 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7870. Re: VTNYQC - been done?
      What tripoint map? What sandbar? And what boat drop? BJB
      Nov 11, 2002 @ 21:55 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
7871. Re: VTNYQC - been done?
      You have to make sure you copy and paste the whole URL into the Address field - you can t just click on it... the question mark in the URL seems to confuse the
      Nov 11, 2002 @ 22:10 - Meridien24 ("Meridien24" <meridien24@...>)
7872. Re: VTNYQC - been done?
      The boat ramp looks like a good fall-back in case the fort is inaccessible. I think I confused Fort Montgomery with Fort Montgomery State Park, whick is in
      Nov 11, 2002 @ 22:23 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
7873. Re: VTNYQC - been done?
      ... Montgomery isn t ... getting ... terraserver shows it just as well as maptech & topozone often crops the boundaries entirely making it a nightmare for
      Nov 12, 2002 @ 00:48 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7874. Re: VTNYQC - been done?
      The great circle through both monuments would intersect the middle of the lake north of both monuments, perhaps reconciling the USGS given position with your
      Nov 12, 2002 @ 01:00 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
7875. Re: VTNYQC - been done?
      yes a beer for me too but because 645a is more than a second south of 644 i find it hard to visualize so much northering as you see & certainly not in the
      Nov 12, 2002 @ 01:18 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7876. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Length CYUK
      Gideon, p. 183: «... The Dhekelia base is on the northern shore of Larnaca Bay, northeast of the city of Larnaca, with a boundary of about 30 miles (49 km.).
      Nov 12, 2002 @ 07:19 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
7877. UN sets deadline for Cyprus deal
      http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,838155,00.html Nothing about the British sovereign bases. Do you think they will remain should there ever
      Nov 12, 2002 @ 11:46 - anton_zeilinger ("anton_zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
7878. Ethiopia Told to Comply With Border Decision
      http://allafrica.com/stories/200211110288.html
      Nov 12, 2002 @ 11:47 - anton_zeilinger ("anton_zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
7879. Re: [BoundaryPoint] UN sets deadline for Cyprus deal
      Anton, ... I don t see why not, although they may eventually become surplus to requirements like those in Malta and to a lessor extent Gibraltar did. They were
      Nov 12, 2002 @ 12:03 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
7880. Re: [BoundaryPoint] UN sets deadline for Cyprus deal
      ... Incidentally, one of the articles of the independence treaty states that the Republic of Cyprus undertakes not to participate, in whole or in part, in any
      Nov 12, 2002 @ 12:16 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
7881. Re: UN sets deadline for Cyprus deal
      Hi, Kevin, thanks for the quick response. ... Cyprus? ... that ... in part, ... Obviously ... the EU ... That s an interesting question! The same problem arose
      Nov 12, 2002 @ 12:57 - anton_zeilinger ("anton_zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
7882. Re: VTNYQC - been done?
      Agggh! my head hurts! Interesting indeed that the USGS has the VTNW/NYNE point NORTH of the markers! As long as all agree that the international boundary
      Nov 12, 2002 @ 13:15 - Meridien24 ("Meridien24" <meridien24@...>)
7883. Re: [BoundaryPoint] UN sets deadline for Cyprus deal
      Anton, ... I believe the signatories to the treaty were the UK, Greece, Turkey and the Republic of Cyprus. I don t think Greece would object, but Turkey may
      Nov 12, 2002 @ 13:20 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
7884. Re: UN sets deadline for Cyprus deal
      Would a unified Cyprus, where the northern half unites and would drag the economic averages of the country down to the point where Cyprus probably wouldn t
      Nov 12, 2002 @ 15:50 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
7885. Re: UN sets deadline for Cyprus deal
      Anton wrote that the Four power treaty returning sovereignty to Austria contained: 1. Die Alliierten und Assoziierten Mächte erklären, daß eine politische
      Nov 12, 2002 @ 16:19 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
7886. Re: [BoundaryPoint] UN sets deadline for Cyprus deal
      Len, ... I m not sure Cyprus was ever really sovereign territory of the UK. I think it was originally considered a British administered part of the Ottoman
      Nov 12, 2002 @ 16:41 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
7887. Phot Upload
      A member of this group told us about a story in the Tacoma News Tribune dealing with the border between BC and Washington. I ordered three pictures from them.
      Nov 12, 2002 @ 19:14 - averillhecht ("averillhecht" <alhecht@...>)
7888. Re: VTNYQC - been done?
      ... the ... agree that the ... 645a, we ... you & i at least do agree so far the usigs defines line of sight as the straight line between 2 points & then says
      Nov 12, 2002 @ 19:46 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7889. Re: Phot Upload
      i believe such a small amount of noncommercial usage with credit to the source would never be held against you ... News ... other ... there
      Nov 12, 2002 @ 19:56 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7890. Re: 11/11 11:11
      ... multi tastefully done reminds me of our top file & that multi message 8888 is the next peak on the horizon
      Nov 12, 2002 @ 21:14 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7891. Guantanamo, was: UN sets deadline for Cyprus deal
      Hi, ... Now that you bring it up, isn t the Guantanamo lease running out in 2002? What is going to happen? I don t believe Cuba has agreed to renewing the
      Nov 12, 2002 @ 22:14 - anton_zeilinger ("anton_zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
7892. Re: Guantanamo, was: UN sets deadline for Cyprus deal
      OK, sorry, apparently I had relied on an insufficiently researched German almanach which stated that the deal was closed in 1903 for the duration of 99 years.
      Nov 12, 2002 @ 22:25 - anton_zeilinger ("anton_zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
7893. Re: Length CYUK
      giddy of him to give only 1 of the 2 boundary lengths also after looking at the best depiction i could find namely the one at pcl once again which seems to
      Nov 12, 2002 @ 22:32 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7894. Re: Length CYUK
      or make that a round 100 miles instead probably a little closer to the truth if any ... of ... lines ... km.).
      Nov 12, 2002 @ 22:47 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7895. CAUS - NY276 (was VTNYQC)
      Hey - I m posting via e-mail for the first time. Sorry to all if this doesn t work. I figure this is the best way to ship an attachment along. And maybe a
      Nov 13, 2002 @ 02:34 - J Di Battista (J Di Battista <meridien24@yahoo.com>)
7896. Re: Phot Upload
      ... Thank you. I will be posting the pictures as soon as I scan them. Averill
      Nov 13, 2002 @ 03:55 - averillhecht ("averillhecht" <alhecht@...>)
7897. Re: CAUS - NY276 (was VTNYQC)
      ... doesn t work. I figure this is the best way to ship an attachment along. And maybe a hyperlink. ... and MS Streets - as you said tho, it goes off USGS
      Nov 13, 2002 @ 05:17 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7898. CAUS - US Border Patrol Spot Checks
      http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/ny-bc-ny--trafficchecks1112nov12,0,5761612.story Border Patrol starts random traffic stops in Michigan By DAVID RUNK
      Nov 13, 2002 @ 07:30 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
7899. CAUS - US Border Patrol checkpoints -- Canadian version (slightly)
      U.S. sets up rotating checkpoints near border Associated Press and Globe and Mail Update Tuesday, November 12 - Online Edition, Posted at 4:32 PM EST U.S.
      Nov 13, 2002 @ 07:32 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
7900. New Border Pictures!
      Here s a link to a site with all kinds of border pictures. Check Alaska and Yukon for some nice CAUS pictures (there are others) and also all sorts of State
      Nov 13, 2002 @ 07:47 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@...>)
7901. CAUS -- Parks on the border and more!
      Another link to explore: http://www.enpmusic.com/craig/canada/canada&the_world/canada&us_border_parks.html
      Nov 13, 2002 @ 07:55 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@...>)
7902. Re: Berlin - Former Seeburg enclave near Tiefwerder - maps etc.
      ... enclave ... Tiefwerder , ... I m not convinced that s correct. There were definitely DDR enclaves in the Eiskeller region, exchanged in 1972. ... Neither.
      Nov 13, 2002 @ 11:37 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <listen@...>)
7903. Yahoo's cookies
      Yahoo groups has instituted another policy without informing its users. They are using web beacons (cookies) to track users OUTSIDE of Yahoo s sites. You can
      Nov 13, 2002 @ 11:39 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
7904. ltplru Revisited
      Finally I managed to publish these pictures. Some text will be added later. http://home.no.net/enklaver/borders/ltplru.htm Jan ... Outgoing mail is certified
      Nov 13, 2002 @ 11:44 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
7905. Re: Berlin maps
      ... wall (incuding nomansland ). The best I ve seen is this collection of NVA (East German military) maps.
      Nov 13, 2002 @ 11:55 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <listen@...>)
7906. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ltplru Revisited
      Nice pictures, Jan! The old Soviet border marker, which is on Lithuanian soil, did have it s Soviet coat-of-arms replaced by a Russian one! This was probably
      Nov 13, 2002 @ 12:01 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
7907. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CAUS - US Border Patrol Spot Checks
      ... Yes, like entering the country through normal channels on valid passports! Sorry, couldn t resist making that point ;-) Kevin Meynell
      Nov 13, 2002 @ 12:34 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
7908. Vogtlandbahn
      Hi, dont know, if we talked about this before. I added a map of the Vogtlandbahn near Asch close to the czech border. it crosses the border four times before
      Nov 13, 2002 @ 13:18 - wertkauf@gmx.net (wertkauf@gmx.net)
7909. Re: ltplru Revisited
      ... yes indeed that shot of jan nesting precisely over the tripoint is class a or even aa as in er absolutely abutting another bp first great to see serious
      Nov 13, 2002 @ 13:28 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7910. Re: New Border Pictures!
      sheesh doug exclamation point & averill was just about to post some pix of his own but now he might be distracted by all these for weeks ... Alaska and Yukon
      Nov 13, 2002 @ 13:42 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7911. Re: UN sets deadline for Cyprus deal
      ... The prohibition clearly aims at a bilateral union between Austria and Germany. I wouldn t read it that Austria is prohibited to join any international
      Nov 13, 2002 @ 13:49 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <listen@...>)
7912. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Vogtlandbahn
      This site has more info about Czech trains crossing into neighbouring countries: http://www.steane.com/egtre/xings/cz_xings.htm rolf
      Nov 13, 2002 @ 13:55 - Rolf Palmberg (Rolf Palmberg <rpalmber@...>)
7913. Re: CAUS - NY276 (was VTNYQC)
      Ya - it IS 649A. I noticed that mistake seconds after posting, but thought I d see if someone would figure it out :D 649B is on the other side (west) of the
      Nov 13, 2002 @ 14:16 - Meridien24 ("Meridien24" <meridien24@...>)
7914. RE: [BoundaryPoint] ltplru Revisited
      Thank you, Peter S. Yes, at least not before the end of the Soviet occupation. Remember that from Aug - Dec. 2001 this point was the ltplsu tripoint accepted
      Nov 13, 2002 @ 14:22 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
7915. Re: CAUS - NY276 (was VTNYQC)
      also realized in morning light your topo generated position falls nearly 5 seconds or several hundred feet from our best available estimate for midriver namely
      Nov 13, 2002 @ 14:32 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7916. Re: ltplru Revisited
      ... on the ... the present ltru ... meters inside Russia. ... yikes jan how can you say that after being so assiduous to make the point
      Nov 13, 2002 @ 14:49 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7917. Re: CAUS - NY276 (was VTNYQC)
      ... but ... fence ... that ... wow extremely gratifying to have intuited all this thanx for leaving it up so someone could enjoy it that way too ... planning,
      Nov 13, 2002 @ 15:10 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7918. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ltplru Revisited
      Great pictures! Looking forward to being there myself... Doug ... From: Jan S. Krogh To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups. com Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002
      Nov 13, 2002 @ 15:49 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
7919. Limits in the Seas
      Might have been posted before, but anyway, a great site: pdfs of the Journal Limits in the Seas on Maritime boundaries including lots of maps, and also pdfs
      Nov 13, 2002 @ 16:13 - anton_zeilinger ("anton_zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
7920. Re: Berlin - Former Seeburg enclave near Tiefwerder - maps etc.
      ... Yes, of course. I intended to read it: ..., there was 1 enclave belonging to the community of Seeburg in Pichelsdorf / Tiefwerder ... This hopefully
      Nov 13, 2002 @ 16:13 - Wolfgang Pietsch ("Wolfgang Pietsch" <wpi@...>)
7921. rucnnk
      OK just noticed that some might know the site, but a lot seems to have been added recently. Example: Great map of rucnnk (right abbreviation?)
      Nov 13, 2002 @ 16:21 - anton_zeilinger ("anton_zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
7922. Re: UN sets deadline for Cyprus deal
      I beg to differ re: versions of the Euro, at least philosophically. Each country issuing Euros has maintained its sovereign right to issue money. None of them
      Nov 13, 2002 @ 16:34 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
7923. Re: rucnnk
      ... absolutely right because it is understandable & unmistakeable as well as poetic & mnemonic when pronounced russnik also for political neutrality & easiest
      Nov 13, 2002 @ 17:12 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7924. Re: rucnnk
      ... The ISO abbreviation for North Korea is KP. So search for CNKPRU as well. Peter S.
      Nov 13, 2002 @ 17:18 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
7925. Re: rucnnk
      ah right even better ... unmistakeable ... propitious ... CNKPRU as
      Nov 13, 2002 @ 17:28 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7926. picture post
      I have uploaded the pictures I obtained from the Tacoma News Journal. They are in the picture section. I also think I found the article in USA Today/Macleans
      Nov 13, 2002 @ 18:29 - averillhecht ("averillhecht" <alhecht@...>)
7927. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Vogtlandbahn
      hi again, i just realized, that the tracks touch czech territory one more time (so all in all six crossings), on the left side of the added map. the border
      Nov 13, 2002 @ 19:31 - wertkauf@gmx.net (wertkauf@gmx.net)
7928. CAUS: Zero Avenue report Nov 13, 2002
      I was filming out in Langley, BC today (I stepped in Giraffe poop!) and decided to come home via Zero Ave. This time, I decided to drive as far east as I could
      Nov 14, 2002 @ 04:13 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@...>)
7929. Oklahoma tri-State corners - Part II
      The attached map covers both CO-NM-OK and NM-OK-TX. This message pertains only to the upper half of the map, CO-NM-OK. The pictures are of the Preston
      Nov 14, 2002 @ 04:40 - jparsell ("jparsell" <jparsell@northnet.org>)
7930. Escourt station CAUS
      http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/021113/168/2ofa6.html
      Nov 14, 2002 @ 05:25 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7931. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Escourt station CAUS
      And the bad gas station: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/021113/168/2of6m.html ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent:
      Nov 14, 2002 @ 05:34 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
7932. CAUS -- Estcourt Station, ME & Pohenegamook, PQ -- News Story
      A town where buying gas can get you in big trouble Residents of border village furious at U.S. treatment of local forestry worker By CAMPBELL CLARK Tuesday,
      Nov 14, 2002 @ 05:39 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
7933. Re: CAUS -- Estcourt Station, ME & Pohenegamook, PQ -- News Story
      Here s a poser -- I wish I had brought a camera along, but this was one of the more interesting places along the border I d seen when I visited last year: To
      Nov 14, 2002 @ 13:52 - J Di Battista (J Di Battista <meridien24@...>)
7934. Re: VTNYQC - been done?
      from message 7888 ... built ... well jay you may be interested to know i have finally satisfied myself that this analysis is indeed correct for tho i havent
      Nov 14, 2002 @ 17:16 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7935. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Length CYUK
      I could have asked my UK Base contact, and so I did. Here is the answer: Boundary length in the WSBA is 47.62km excluding territorial waters or 99km including
      Nov 14, 2002 @ 20:00 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7936. Re: CAUS -- Estcourt Station, ME & Pohenegamook, PQ -- News Story
      ... even those who don t venture across the cliff? depends on the meaning of should of course the agent should if directed to hold that line for whatever
      Nov 14, 2002 @ 20:01 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7937. Re: Length CYUK
      wow if that had been the ultimate truth i was barely right to change my guess from 100km to 100mi ... waters or 99km including territorial waters. For the
      Nov 14, 2002 @ 20:15 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7938. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CAUS -- Estcourt Station, ME & Pohenegamook, PQ -- News Story
      Nice presentation Excuse me if I am stupid, but help me identify the bowling hall and petrol station on the photo/map. Büsingen is real exclave, German
      Nov 14, 2002 @ 20:24 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7939. Re: Oklahoma tri-State corners - Part II
      very nice jack bus&ss indicates that the survey of the cimarron meridian in 1881 by chaney actually reiterated an 1874 survey of it by major so it is doubly
      Nov 14, 2002 @ 21:22 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7940. Re: picture post
      way to go averill you seem to have given our photos section a new lease on life as it had previously been reported to be filled to capacity perhaps like the
      Nov 14, 2002 @ 21:40 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7941. Re: CAUS -- Estcourt Station, ME & Pohenegamook, PQ -- News Story
      Greetings Jesper -- I do recognize, of course, that Estcourt Station isn t a real exclave like Büsingen, as Estcourt isn t surrounded by Canadian territory.
      Nov 14, 2002 @ 23:10 - J Di Battista (J Di Battista <meridien24@...>)
7942. CAUS: Gas Tank Incident - video!
      Finally - video of this spot! Within this CBC Newsworld interview of the mayor of Bangor, ME, you ll find b-roll footage of the gas station & surroundings.
      Nov 15, 2002 @ 00:50 - J Di Battista (J Di Battista <meridien24@...>)
7943. Fwd: Re: ltplru Revisited
      ... for some strange reason i have been receiving emails from our lithuanian members which were most probably intended as bp postings so i will be forwarding
      Nov 15, 2002 @ 13:56 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
7944. Fwd: RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ltplru Revisited
      ... _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*
      Nov 15, 2002 @ 14:03 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
7945. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CAUS: Gas Tank Incident - video!
      Great find! That blue sign in the video looks exactly like the signs I saw in Derby Line/Stanstead warning people to report immediately to US Customs. I bet
      Nov 15, 2002 @ 23:15 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
7946. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Length CYUK
      Perhaps we need to organize a Great Cyprus Border Expedition! ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002
      Nov 15, 2002 @ 23:16 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
7947. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CAUS -- Estcourt Station, ME & Pohenegamook, PQ -- News Story
      As an option to a common North American (excluding Mexico) border, US and Canadian officials could issue special cards (or use drivers licences) to identify
      Nov 15, 2002 @ 23:22 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
7948. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CAUS -- Estcourt Station, ME & Pohenegamook, PQ -- News Story
      And one other thing: why have we heard nothing more about the US Border Patrol officers who beat up the Quebeker in a Quebec bar? Zoot Alors! Doug ... From:
      Nov 15, 2002 @ 23:24 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
7949. Re: CAUS -- Estcourt Station, ME & Pohenegamook, PQ -- News Story
      ... the US Border Patrol officers who beat up the Quebeker in a Quebec bar? perhaps because it is yet another nonevent btw i saw the jailbird is on the loose
      Nov 15, 2002 @ 23:56 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7950. Fwd: Re: ltplru Revisited
      karolis ... from the ... Now if ... great! this is most puzzling to begin with i am surprised that nobody has come forward with the answer since i had imagined
      Nov 16, 2002 @ 03:53 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7951. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Oklahoma tri-State corners - Part II
      ... From: acroorca2002 [mailto:orc@orcoast.com] Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 4:22 PM To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re:
      Nov 16, 2002 @ 04:00 - jparsell ("jparsell" <jparsell@...>)
7952. Surveying errors
      ... From: acroorca2002 [mailto:orc@orcoast.com] Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 4:22 PM To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re:
      Nov 16, 2002 @ 04:11 - jparsell ("jparsell" <jparsell@...>)
7953. GBBE? Try GSSE!
      Fine reading: http://www.maltamedia.com/cgibin/sport/print.pl?article=826 Doug Murray Productions / Border Films CBC Infomatrix / CBC POV Sports Vancouver BC
      Nov 16, 2002 @ 04:31 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@...>)
7954. Re: GBBE? Try GSSE!
      Nice story, thanks! Strange, why isn t the smallest state of them all taking part, too? I bet some Monsignors are pretty good sportsmen :-) AntonZ
      Nov 16, 2002 @ 09:16 - anton_zeilinger ("anton_zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
7955. Dubai- Sharjah
      Hello, Here are some pics of the Dubai-Sharjah border, where the border touches the lagoon. Though this border is a strictly internal border between Sharjah
      Nov 16, 2002 @ 10:31 - I M Naanu (I M Naanu <imnaanu@yahoo.com>)
7956. Dubai- Sharjah border location
      This where I took the pics (marked by a red circle). Refer attached map. OMNMShVY ... Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site
      Nov 16, 2002 @ 10:51 - I M Naanu (I M Naanu <imnaanu@yahoo.com>)
7957. RE: ????
      Hmmm...I don t have any explanation for this. Until the problem is fixed or goes away can you try replying from the web site? Are any other BP members
      Nov 16, 2002 @ 12:44 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
7958. Re: [BoundaryPoint] RE: ????
      Try using BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Jesper ... From: Bill Hanrahan To: Karolis B Cc: BoundaryPoint Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 1:44 PM Subject:
      Nov 16, 2002 @ 16:07 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7959. On the subject of Dubai
      I have been on a roll lately collecting many a great map and GIS sites. They will be on my website soon. But since somebody mentioned Dubai, here is my
      Nov 16, 2002 @ 21:28 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
7960. Re: Dubai- Sharjah
      ... border touches the lagoon. Though this border is a strictly internal border between Sharjah and Dubai, both of which are actually Kingdoms ruled by
      Nov 16, 2002 @ 23:15 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7961. Re: GBBE? Try GSSE!
      ... too? I ... hahahaha good point & no surprise to see cyprus & luxembourg lording it over malta monaco andorra san marino & liechtenstein but i cant
      Nov 16, 2002 @ 23:53 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7962. Re: GBBE? Try GSSE!
      oh ok it must be based on population rather than area
      Nov 17, 2002 @ 00:03 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7963. Re: [BoundaryPoint] GBBE? Try GSSE!
      Mike, ... Yes, Iceland has a population of around 280,000 which I believe makes it the smallest European country excluding the various micro-states. Even Malta
      Nov 17, 2002 @ 00:23 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
7964. Re: Surveying errors
      thanx jack very interesting indeed its really what try pointing must have been like in the old days & seems like a lot more fun than we have today using topos
      Nov 17, 2002 @ 01:15 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7965. Fwd: ????
      yes it really is weird & now i am receiving bp posts from karolis at both hotmal & orcoast making this a multiple short circuit counting bill & jan as the
      Nov 17, 2002 @ 02:34 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
7966. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Fwd: ????
      Yes, an old friend (now deceased) from Estonia...hmmmm... ... From: m donner [mailto:maxivan82@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 9:34 PM To:
      Nov 17, 2002 @ 03:00 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
7967. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: GBBE? Try GSSE!
      But they have a ringer on their team! ... From: anton_zeilinger To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 1:16 AM Subject:
      Nov 17, 2002 @ 03:17 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
7968. German Stamp of DK-D Border
      I just posted a photo of possible interest, of a German stamp commemorating (in 1985) the 30th anniversary of a DK-D understanding relating to freedom of cross
      Nov 17, 2002 @ 06:08 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
7969. Re: Fwd: ????
      so I got a new yahoo id and it s all good now. hm.
      Nov 17, 2002 @ 08:41 - kbajoraz ("kbajoraz" <kbajoraz@...>)
7970. Re: ltplru Revisited
      maybe this is not UTM (isn t UTM supposed to have 6, not 7, digits in the E coordinate?). this is some weird coordinate system that the soviets used, whatever
      Nov 17, 2002 @ 08:47 - kbajoraz ("kbajoraz" <kbajoraz@...>)
7971. LT-LV-BalticSea
      http://www.cpk.lv/~janis/vilnus.html In this page, the top picture shows probabaly the last Lithuanian marker, before LT-LV meets the Baltic Sea
      Nov 17, 2002 @ 08:49 - kbajoraz ("kbajoraz" <kbajoraz@...>)
7972. LT-LV-BalticSea
      ... and the bottom picture shows some kind of Lithuanina border sign. I ve seen that type of sign in the Curonian Spit, but there it said Valstybes sienos
      Nov 17, 2002 @ 09:03 - kbajoraz ("kbajoraz" <kbajoraz@...>)
7973. finose Revisited
      http://www.confluence.org/confluence.php?lat=69&lon=21&visit=1 http://www.confluence.org/photo.php?visitid=5737&pic=6 Jan http://home.no.net/enklaver ...
      Nov 17, 2002 @ 11:17 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
7974. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Fwd: ????
      Good news! ... From: kbajoraz [mailto:kbajoraz@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 3:41 AM To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BoundaryPoint]
      Nov 17, 2002 @ 15:07 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
7975. CAUS -- Media Coverage of tougher US policy -- a level headed take
      ... Bound for border glory By MARGARET WENTE Saturday, November 16, 2002 - Print Edition, Page A21 The other day, a woman I know told me that her daughter gets
      Nov 17, 2002 @ 05:08 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
7976. CAUS - Washington (DC) Post editorial
      washingtonpost.com The Northern Border Friday, November 15, 2002; Page A32 AMONG THE broad changes that 9/11 brought to American politics, surely the least
      Nov 17, 2002 @ 05:11 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
7977. RE: [BoundaryPoint] CAUS -- Media Coverage of tougher US policy -- a level headed take
      OK, OK - I have understood. I will NOT visit the USA ;-) !!! Jan ... Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system
      Nov 18, 2002 @ 07:38 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
7978. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ltplru Revisited
      Point 1 (first bend on the boundary north of the tp) according to the LTRU border treaty is according my map on 54°22 06,7180 N 22°47 22,7845E. X - 6028563;
      Nov 18, 2002 @ 12:57 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@takas.lt>)
7979. Re: Dubai- Sharjah
      ... Earlier they used too, but after the formation of the UAE in 1971, its getting gradually centralized. Still, each Emirate has its own Immigration and
      Nov 18, 2002 @ 13:56 - I M Naanu ("I M Naanu" <imnaanu@...>)
7980. «Idiotic American Border Regulations Makes Life Diffic ult»
      Editorial in Norway s corresponding to New York Times - Aftenposten on the Canadian-USA border issues (Norwegian only):
      Nov 18, 2002 @ 14:10 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@takas.lt>)
7981. While waiting for Kokkina
      We are still waiting to see some pix from Kokkina I have enclosed pictures from cy(tr)uk. The crossing is called the Black Knight, and the marker is from the
      Nov 18, 2002 @ 19:19 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
7982. Re: Dubai- Sharjah
      ... thanx for the explanations a very interesting & unusual situation ... whoops & please excuse me if this seemed unusually strange as it was only a weak jest
      Nov 18, 2002 @ 21:37 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7983. Re: While waiting for Kokkina
      well double congrats since you must be very close to 2 of the 4 de facto tripoints here but all these evidently involve the united nations buffer zone rather
      Nov 18, 2002 @ 22:07 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7984. Re: ltplru Revisited
      jan i wish someone would straighten this out as there now seems to be a multiple confusion here to begin with you are apparently still considering these 7digit
      Nov 18, 2002 @ 22:41 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7985. Re: CAUS -- Media Coverage of tougher US policy -- a level headed take
      finally a little common sense as the writer correctly perceives the media have been busily trying to dig up cross border horror stories that has really
      Nov 18, 2002 @ 23:08 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7986. Re: finose Revisited
      another nice pic which makes it clear why we still havent seen finose class a since the access to the top of the monument looks so difficult indeed i wonder if
      Nov 18, 2002 @ 23:15 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7987. Re: ltplru Revisited
      ... the LTRU ... 1940, radius ... known points ... I posted ... we from ... named ... side of the ... the border ... calculations. ... Jan, there is no
      Nov 18, 2002 @ 23:49 - Karolis B. ("Karolis B." <kbajoraz@...>)
7988. Re: ltplru Revisited
      but then, we DID walk to the tp staying quite close to the sandsptrip, and I m thinking 217 has to be the spot of BorderFence1. But when did you manage to go
      Nov 18, 2002 @ 23:58 - Karolis B. ("Karolis B." <kbajoraz@...>)
7989. ltplru confusion to be resolved
      Well, it seems that this confusion might end soon. During the Lithuanian Seimas (parliament) Chairman s visit to Moscow, the Russian Duma s Chairman told him
      Nov 19, 2002 @ 00:50 - Karolis B. ("Karolis B." <kbajoraz@...>)
7990. Seccession trend in Kaliningrad
      http://www.delfi.lt/news/daily/world/article.php?id=1585148 8 Percent of Kaliningraders Support Seccession from Russia Baltic News Service November 18, 2002
      Nov 19, 2002 @ 02:22 - Karolis B. ("Karolis B." <kbajoraz@...>)
7991. spelling
      Acrooca, I know I messed up with resident s, instead of residents in the second-before-last paragraph (but I published without editing), and I realize
      Nov 19, 2002 @ 02:35 - Karolis B. ("Karolis B." <kbajoraz@...>)
7992. Re: spelling
      hahahaha whattt is there an acrooca too now surely no pal of mine unless there is an acoorca to match btw its freakin not freaking seriously tho it sure looks
      Nov 19, 2002 @ 03:19 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7993. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: While waiting for Kokkina
      The three flags are uk, tr and cy(tr) Jesper ... From: acroorca2002 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 11:07 PM Subject:
      Nov 19, 2002 @ 05:07 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
7994. Re: More about Estonia
      This summer I visited the border near Dubki (Russian enclave in Estonia) village. I promise to scan the photos I made on the border and send you some days
      Nov 19, 2002 @ 08:32 - andreslb2000 ("andreslb2000" <andreslb2000@...>)
7995. Black Knight location
      Black Knight military checkpoint is at the village of Strovilia, which borders the eastern British base of Dhekelia and the occupied areas.
      Nov 19, 2002 @ 11:08 - I M Naanu ("I M Naanu" <imnaanu@...>)
7996. Black Knight location
      Black Knight military checkpoint is at the village of Strovilia, which borders the eastern British base of Dhekelia and the occupied areas.
      Nov 19, 2002 @ 11:08 - I M Naanu ("I M Naanu" <imnaanu@...>)
7997. Re: While waiting for Kokkina
      ahhh interesting not really a tripoint then but this news item from 2 years ago may explain everything http://www.cyprus-mail.com/2000/July/6/news070603.htm
      Nov 19, 2002 @ 13:59 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
7998. [BoundaryPoint] Re: While waiting for Kokkina
      hi, this pic i got from a map, posted by jesper : http://www.un.org/Depts/Cartographic/map/dpko/unficyp.pdf bye, chris strovilia.jpg
      Nov 06, 2002 @ 14:07 - Chris Schulz ("Chris Schulz" <wertkauf@gmx.net>)
7999. Re: While waiting for Kokkina
      great thanx then this isnt very near any tripoint but then the big question becomes what was a greek cypriot exclave doing up there without our knowing about
      Nov 19, 2002 @ 14:31 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8000. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: More about Estonia
      Was it a box, about a metre high, 1/2 meter wide and perhaps 40cm thick, with a dark glass window? We saw these on the Denmark - Germany border... I will see
      Nov 19, 2002 @ 17:10 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
8001. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
      Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File :
      Nov 19, 2002 @ 19:34 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com (BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com )
8002. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Dubai- Sharjah
      ... From: I M Naanu To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 2:56 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Dubai- Sharjah I have a scan of the
      Nov 19, 2002 @ 17:59 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
8003. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: While waiting for Kokkina
      So Black Knight is the last check point leaving the UK base just before Farmagusta. Jesper ... From: Chris Schulz To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent:
      Nov 19, 2002 @ 22:37 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
8004. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Dubai- Sharjah
      Hi Heres a link with maps i found. http://enklaven.piranho.com/enklaven/Frames/arab.htm sorry, but the text is in german. Bye, chris ... From: Christian
      Nov 06, 2002 @ 22:41 - Chris Schulz ("Chris Schulz" <wertkauf@...>)
8005. usa border search zone is 100 miles wide
      this in further response to the recent question about it by victor http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/nov2002/bord-n19.shtml including a few other choice
      Nov 19, 2002 @ 23:54 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8006. omsaye monumented at last
      oman saudia yemen tripoint now has a marker for the first time http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/021116/200211160 9.html also saye demarcation is
      Nov 20, 2002 @ 00:49 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8007. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Dubai- Sharjah
      Absolutely!!! We have been waiting so long for a proper map of the exclaves at Fujairah! Jan http://home.no.net/enklaver ... From: Christian Berghänel
      Nov 20, 2002 @ 09:07 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
8008. Re: While waiting for Kokkina
      ... before Farmagusta. & the map you have attached to message 8003 gives the best depiction we have yet seen of the more easterly pair of tripoints
      Nov 20, 2002 @ 10:22 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8009. Re: New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
      ... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/files/GBBEitinerar ynov02.doc can anyone convert this doc into a more accessible format for those of us who are
      Nov 20, 2002 @ 10:31 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8010. RE: [BoundaryPoint] «Idiotic American Border Regul ations Makes Life Difficult»
      The Norwegian article seems based upon this article: http://www.washtimes.com/world/20021115-79713733.htm Jan ... From: Jan S. Krogh
      Nov 20, 2002 @ 10:42 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
8011. Re: [BoundaryPoint] usa border search zone is 100 miles wide
      Mike, ... I guess it depends how you define the free world. As a general rule, populations are far more regulated and controlled in European countries than in
      Nov 20, 2002 @ 12:53 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
8012. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
      Try this: New, revised itinerary for the next border expedition in 2003: GBBE - all five Baltic tripoints + other interesting border visits. 12 days in 2003:
      Nov 20, 2002 @ 16:04 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
8013. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: While waiting for Kokkina
      As requested Jesper ... From: acroorca2002 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 11:22 AM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: While
      Nov 20, 2002 @ 19:14 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
8014. Re: While waiting for Kokkina
      thanx jesper that is quite a bit different than the cia depicts these one seems almost on the shoulder of a main road too & thus the most likely of the 4 to
      Nov 20, 2002 @ 20:37 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8015. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: While waiting for Kokkina
      If I get to CY this spring (it s very expensive) I would go for the South Eastern one for sure. The northern one must be attached from UK, and I don t think
      Nov 20, 2002 @ 20:51 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8016. PhD supervisors on German enclaves?
      Does anyone know of any professors in Germany willing to supervise (or at least advise/assist) a PhD on German enclaves (national and international) in the
      Nov 20, 2002 @ 21:07 - b.whyte@pgrad.unimelb.edu.au (b.whyte@...)
8017. Re: While waiting for Kokkina
      ... the same interest and ethusiasm. ah well youth is wasted on the young anyway but i hope you do get back there before these tripoints fade like so many
      Nov 21, 2002 @ 02:04 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8018. Exclaves
      In Tommy Book s book about Berlin exclaves, he mentions that Asia has 4 exclaves in connection with the Indian peninsula and Africa has 1. Can anybody make up
      Nov 21, 2002 @ 07:10 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8019. Re: Exclaves
      ... Asia has 4 exclaves in connection with the Indian peninsula and Africa has 1. ... what is the date of the book & the full context of the statement
      Nov 21, 2002 @ 11:01 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8020. National Geographic Quiz
      According to a National Geograpic Society research just published interviewing worldwide 3000 youth between 18 and 24 years only 10 % of the USA youth could
      Nov 21, 2002 @ 13:47 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
8021. More about Estonia
      Hello, I send the files about Estonian-Russian border near Dubki village which is Russian enclave. File Border1 is the photo taken about 100 metres from the
      Nov 21, 2002 @ 15:09 - Andres Lauba (=?iso-8859-1?q?Andres=20Lauba?= <andreslb2000@yahoo.co.uk>)
8022. RE: [BoundaryPoint] More about Estonia
      Hello Andres, Thanks for nice pictures. Nice to see the area. For me it seems it is a very ordinary VHF antenna which is made higher in order to improve the
      Nov 21, 2002 @ 15:43 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
8023. Re: [BoundaryPoint] More about Estonia
      My guess is that it relates to the manhole also in the picture -- I think that it is some sort of water or sewage pumping equipment (or a well?) and the
      Nov 21, 2002 @ 16:12 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
8024. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Berlin - TV Report "The lost Border" - Sat. Nov. 9
      Did you record this programme? I would love to see it (with some German friends who can translate!). Doug ... From: Wolfgang Pietsch To:
      Nov 21, 2002 @ 16:22 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
8025. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Exclaves
      1984 Before going into the telling about the Berlin exclaves, he starts his chapter explaining what an exclave is (more or less Rolf Palmberg s version) naming
      Nov 21, 2002 @ 17:58 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8026. Belize - Guatemala football field
      More info from my buddy who lives in Belize. Some additional details on the BZGT football field: Yes, El Arenal is right near the western border at Benque
      Nov 21, 2002 @ 18:35 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@...>)
8027. Re: Exclaves
      then i think he must have been purely winging it in order to fudge over his own uncertainty in these areas since we know there are several african ones
      Nov 21, 2002 @ 18:37 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8028. BorderBase
      Dear Border Friends BorderPictures has evolved into Borderbase. http://www.nicolette.dk/borderbase Enjoy it. Jesper
      Nov 21, 2002 @ 19:08 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8029. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Exclaves
      If I had to find only ONE exclave I should say Cabinda, even though it s not a real exclave. The Spanish areas in the north can also not be so unknown to a
      Nov 21, 2002 @ 19:16 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8030. Re: National Geographic Quiz
      Not much of a surprise. I can t sign under this, but I ve heared that 5% of Americans have passports!!!! Big majority of America has SO no clue about the rest
      Nov 21, 2002 @ 23:19 - Karolis B. ("Karolis B." <kbajoraz@...>)
8031. Re: More about Estonia
      ... I think that it is some sort of water or sewage pumping equipment (or a well?) and the tower is an antenna that relays data on the well/sewer/pump back to
      Nov 21, 2002 @ 23:27 - Karolis B. ("Karolis B." <kbajoraz@...>)
8032. DC Border Marker Problematic
      This appeared today in DCWatch : Boundary Markers David Sobelsohn, dsobelso-at-capaccess-dot-org In last Wednesday s issue of themail, John Cleave asked about
      Nov 22, 2002 @ 01:52 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
8033. Re: Exclaves
      Just a guess: The Indian enclaves in Bangladesh usually appear on mediocre maps only as four pieces. I always thought there were only four until I met
      Nov 22, 2002 @ 01:57 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
8034. Re: PhD supervisors on German enclaves?
      Brendan, You might look up the address of the US Consul in Tuebingen. There is no consulate there, but when I worked for the US government in Stuttgart,
      Nov 22, 2002 @ 02:07 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
8035. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BorderBase
      Wow! Good work Jesper! You are a Super Border Freak! Doug ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 11:08 AM
      Nov 22, 2002 @ 07:38 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
8036. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: More about Estonia
      Agree with you Karolis. Probably just because the receiption was best on this spot! Jan ... From: Karolis B. [mailto:kbajoraz@yahoo.com] Sent: 22. november
      Nov 22, 2002 @ 08:11 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
8037. Re: Berlin - TV Report "The lost Border" - Sat. Nov. 9
      ... No, unfortunately not, but PHOENIX is known they retransmit selected documentations from time to time. Occasionally check their website
      Nov 22, 2002 @ 18:04 - Wolfgang Pietsch ("Wolfgang Pietsch" <wpi@...>)
8038. Re: PhD supervisors on German enclaves?
      ... Nice idea. You should check a previous PhD dissertation from 1967. Auhagen, Hubert Die völkerrechtliche Stellung der Enklaven und Exklaven / von Hubert
      Nov 22, 2002 @ 19:32 - Wolfgang Pietsch ("Wolfgang Pietsch" <wpi@...>)
8039. Re: DC Border Marker Problematic
      len i think the only thing that might be problematic here is the ignorance & pretentiousness of the writer & ultimately his confusion of boundary markers with
      Nov 22, 2002 @ 19:57 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8040. German web site
      I came upon Niedersachsen web site of http://www.lgn.de/ a few days ago, which can be used for topographic maps of two German curiosities. Near Bremerhaven is
      Nov 22, 2002 @ 23:41 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
8041. Re: National Geographic Quiz
      One more encounter with American cluelessness today. I wanted to cash a check form Canary Islands. The banker failed to understand the difference between
      Nov 23, 2002 @ 01:21 - Karolis B. ("Karolis B." <kbajoraz@...>)
8042. Re: National Geographic Quiz
      ... wanted to cash ... the ... karolis you need a foreign exchange bank for that kind of transaction taking it to an ordinary commercial bank is just as
      Nov 23, 2002 @ 03:48 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8043. Re: DC Border Marker Problematic
      I have a woman in my office who, a month ago, got into a car accident (was forced off the road) at the border near the spot mentioned by the author of the
      Nov 23, 2002 @ 05:27 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
8044. Czech Harbor in Hamburg, Germany
      Mention has been made here before about the section of Hamburg harbor that was forcibly leased by Germany to Czechoslovakia for 99 years under the Treaty of
      Nov 23, 2002 @ 05:34 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
8045. Czech Harbor in Hamburg, Germany
      Mention has been made here before about the section of Hamburg harbor that was forcibly leased by Germany to Czechoslovakia for 99 years under the Treaty of
      Nov 23, 2002 @ 05:33 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
8046. Czech Harbor in Hamburg, Germany
      Mention has been made here before about the section of Hamburg harbor that was forcibly leased by Germany to Czechoslovakia for 99 years under the Treaty of
      Nov 23, 2002 @ 05:33 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
8047. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: National Geographic Quiz
      I have seen this a my work, and I found it on the internet: http://www.twistedmatrix.com/users/jh/wikifarm/pub/MoinMoin/J_fcrgenHermann/attachments/twa2a.gif
      Nov 23, 2002 @ 08:10 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8048. Madha
      Hello Guys, Visited Madha yesterday on my way to Khorfakkan. Just entered- no border post, no border controls, no nothing. It was a quiet day, because it was
      Nov 23, 2002 @ 11:10 - I M Naanu ("I M Naanu" <imnaanu@...>)
8049. madha Pics 1
      Madha Pics 1 of 4 OMNMShVY ... Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now
      Nov 23, 2002 @ 11:37 - I M Naanu (I M Naanu <imnaanu@yahoo.com>)
8050. Madha pics 2
      Part 2 of 4 OMNMShVY ... Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now
      Nov 23, 2002 @ 11:41 - I M Naanu (I M Naanu <imnaanu@yahoo.com>)
8051. Madha Pic 3
      madha Pic part 3 of 4 OMNMShVY ... Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now
      Nov 23, 2002 @ 11:44 - I M Naanu (I M Naanu <imnaanu@yahoo.com>)
8052. Re: Czech Harbor in Hamburg, Germany
      Hi, ... if ... Stettin ended up in Poland after WWII under the name of Szczecin. see the map at: http://www.pommerscher-greif.de/images/kapomm2.gif For a
      Nov 23, 2002 @ 11:46 - anton_zeilinger ("anton_zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
8053. Madha Pics 4
      Part 4 of 4 OMNMShVY ... Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now
      Nov 23, 2002 @ 11:46 - I M Naanu (I M Naanu <imnaanu@yahoo.com>)
8054. UAE Internal Borders
      Here s a file showing roughly the internal boundaries of UAE- Please note: 1 The fuzzy part in Eastern UAE- especially the border with Oman, where lot of
      Nov 23, 2002 @ 11:52 - I M Naanu (I M Naanu <imnaanu@yahoo.com>)
8055. Re: Berlin - TV Report "The lost Border" - Sat. Nov. 9
      ... einstücken & others, mostly done in interview style with historic photos & f= ilms. In between the stories it had a sped up drive along the wall from
      Nov 23, 2002 @ 12:46 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <listen@...>)
8056. Re: UAE Internal Borders
      ... Oman, where lot of fragmentation has taken place, especially between Fujairah and Sharjah. ... change shape in every map! thanx dear naanu this is easily
      Nov 23, 2002 @ 14:13 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8057. Re: National Geographic Quiz
      see thats just what i mean til now i had no idea denmark is a communist country ... http://www.twistedmatrix.com/users/jh/wikifarm/pub/MoinMoin/J_f
      Nov 23, 2002 @ 14:19 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8058. Re: BorderBase
      yes i concur with my colleague now can you tell us how to get past afghanistan ... Service.
      Nov 23, 2002 @ 14:27 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8059. Re: Belize - Guatemala football field
      ... del Carmen ... is ... Borderland ... context of ... now would you be making up the disputes as well as the stories Also nearby is the ... village clearly
      Nov 23, 2002 @ 14:32 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8060. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: National Geographic Quiz
      And Canada should be pink! For some reason, our fine Dominion is always pink on maps... ... From: acroorca2002 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent:
      Nov 23, 2002 @ 15:47 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
8061. Re: DC Border Marker Problematic
      well then the poor victim woman you have in your office should consult with your original questioner who could lead her to the stone he saw & make her whole
      Nov 23, 2002 @ 16:27 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8062. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: BorderBase
      I don t what you mean? Maybe you are using an acient browser. Anybody else with problems? Jesper ... From: acroorca2002 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent:
      Nov 23, 2002 @ 16:27 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8063. Re: UAE Internal Borders - Unzipping files
      I couldn t initially even download these - I use Mozilla broswer - and the version has a bug - won t download ZIP files. Opening was no problem, but I had to
      Nov 23, 2002 @ 16:47 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
8064. Re: BorderBase
      the choose country function at upper left apparently permits no choice but afghanistan on my internet explorer browser 5 point 1 dated 2001 ... of ... Service.
      Nov 23, 2002 @ 16:50 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8065. Re: Czech Harbor in Hamburg, Germany
      I feel stupid and embarrassed. I should have thought it through - I knew deep down Stettin was never in the DDR, but until you softly pointed out my error
      Nov 23, 2002 @ 16:52 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
8066. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: BorderBase
      I think I made a bug in the application, that IE51 interprets differently. It s now altered, please try again. Jesper ... From: acroorca2002 To:
      Nov 23, 2002 @ 16:56 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8067. Re: BorderBase
      wow thanx what a difference & glad i spoke up now this must be the better tripoint filing & retrieval system which i wished for out loud in message 6015 & no
      Nov 23, 2002 @ 22:23 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8068. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: BorderBase
      I already added your link. Well I figured that we have already posted so many link to borders and tripoints, but nobody really put it into system. I tried with
      Nov 23, 2002 @ 22:31 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8069. Re: National Geographic Quiz
      ... they said they would do it. but that s not the point at all. The point is that your average American doesn t understand the concept of currency.
      Nov 24, 2002 @ 03:17 - Karolis B. ("Karolis B." <kbajoraz@...>)
8070. Re: National Geographic Quiz
      ... as ... be ... the ... now now karolis your point may well be about your average american but not my average american because my point is i dont have an
      Nov 24, 2002 @ 05:33 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8071. Re: National Geographic Quiz
      Well, if you see some writing that you find tasteless, and are not trying to disprove/defend, then why reply to such writing at all? I m not seeing anything
      Nov 24, 2002 @ 06:52 - Karolis B. ("Karolis B." <kbajoraz@...>)
8072. Re: National Geographic Quiz
      And see, I just said that Americans don t understand currencies. did n say it was good or bad. (and I do not believe that that is something very horrible) The
      Nov 24, 2002 @ 06:58 - Karolis B. ("Karolis B." <kbajoraz@...>)
8073. Re: National Geographic Quiz
      ... not ... like ... skin. ... usually ... other ... about the ... exactly ... said they ... though oh, ... up on ... BAD ... waiting ... Americans ... yes
      Nov 24, 2002 @ 15:51 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8074. Re: National Geographic Quiz
      ... The question comes up in rec.travel.europe a lot. Where does this idea come from that everyone accepted US dollars? You can t spend dollars in shops
      Nov 24, 2002 @ 22:48 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <listen@...>)
8075. Re: BorderBase
      ... borders. I had Gideon for a week, and I wrote down all the details of years, demarcation etc., but I unfortunately lost the notes. i have found that most
      Nov 24, 2002 @ 23:13 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8076. Re: National Geographic Quiz
      ... your ... dollars? obviously local money & speech etc are practically always the most acceptable mediums everywhere nor did i mean to suggest otherwise but
      Nov 25, 2002 @ 00:41 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8077. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: National Geographic Quiz
      Actually, you can use US currency anywhere in Canada without any trouble at all. But using Canadian dollars even just a few miles into the USA is difficult.
      Nov 25, 2002 @ 00:50 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
8078. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: National Geographic Quiz
      Ah! And as a unilingual speaker, I can say that the border expeditions are mostly English affairs. Thanks to the smart Europeans who unlike we North
      Nov 25, 2002 @ 00:54 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
8079. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: BorderBase
      Mike, Have you tried that fsu address lately? I get nothing on it. Jack ... From: acroorca2002 [mailto:orc@orcoast.com] Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 6:13
      Nov 25, 2002 @ 02:14 - jparsell ("jparsell" <jparsell@...>)
8080. Re: BorderBase
      yes jack i was just there but the problem seems to be here at bp whenever the url of a link continues onto a second line either you have to add the runover
      Nov 25, 2002 @ 02:51 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8081. RE: nothing
      just seeing if this works ... Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now
      Nov 25, 2002 @ 03:03 - asdff sssdfddt (asdff sssdfddt <kbajoraz@yahoo.com>)
8082. or better yet jack
      try this link here below or in the original message 7919 & then click on the second item ... boundaries ... boundary ... disputed ...
      Nov 25, 2002 @ 03:04 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8083. Re: nothing
      ok, i see it does. ignore the pic
      Nov 25, 2002 @ 03:05 - Karolis B. ("Karolis B." <kbajoraz@...>)
8084. Re: National Geographic Quiz
      ... I guess it depends which countries. I don t know so much about Latin America, but in Europe dollars are only useful at a bank. Before the fall of the Iron
      Nov 25, 2002 @ 04:30 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <listen@...>)
8085. Re: [BoundaryPoint] baarle was caus
      sorry mike according to ed the border cross as you call it is a near miss by something like 20-30 meters. i stood in the street and saw the markers for myself
      Nov 25, 2002 @ 06:14 - Victor Cantore (Victor Cantore <drpotatoes@...>)
8086. Re: [BoundaryPoint] usa border search zone is 100 miles wide
      ... http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/nov2002/bord-n19.shtml ... i dont even want to talk about this how can the constitution be enforced everywhere else
      Nov 25, 2002 @ 06:18 - Victor Cantore (Victor Cantore <drpotatoes@...>)
8087. Re: DC Border Marker Problematic
      ... how did dc get arlington county, va? on topozone, etc. DC is exclusively on the northern side of the potomac. i found this link from va dept of
      Nov 25, 2002 @ 06:28 - Victor ("Victor" <drpotatoes@...>)
8088. Re: usa border search zone is 100 miles wide
      Well, down in AZ they just ask if you re a US citizen or not, and if you say so, you just pass trough. But that s what they do on the border too, so I m not
      Nov 25, 2002 @ 06:30 - Karolis B. ("Karolis B." <kbajoraz@...>)
8089. SV: [BoundaryPoint] UAE Internal Borders
      ... From: I M Naanu To: boundarypoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 12:52 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] UAE Internal Borders Here s a file
      Nov 25, 2002 @ 07:09 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
8090. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] UAE Internal Borders
      CB: No Hatta is Dubai s only exclave and I know of no other. Madha is a wholly Omani enclave within UAE. But the shape of Madha shown in my posted map is
      Nov 25, 2002 @ 08:11 - I M Naanu ("I M Naanu" <imnaanu@...>)
8091. Re: National Geographic Quiz
      I agree, DM. But here, in Dubai- we trade in all major european currencies as well as the USD and other currencies of the world. People here are more
      Nov 25, 2002 @ 08:25 - I M Naanu ("I M Naanu" <imnaanu@...>)
8092. Re: baarle was caus
      Victor, I think you might have been looking at the wrong point. The border cross is not on a road but in a field. It is where enclaves H1 and H2 are connected.
      Nov 25, 2002 @ 09:06 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
8093. Tripoint MKYUBG
      Tripoint between Macedonia, Yugoslavia and Bulgaria Yesterday, November 24 was held official ceremony for installing the tripoint and starting of demarcation
      Nov 25, 2002 @ 11:23 - Mile Milenkoski ("Mile Milenkoski" <mmilenkoski@hotmail.com>)
8094. Re: [BoundaryPoint] National Geographic Quiz
      Doug, ... It may be a hangover from when the UK and its dominions were always coloured pink. I note that Australia is usually pink on maps as well. Regards,
      Nov 25, 2002 @ 11:34 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
8095. Re: [BoundaryPoint] DC Border Marker Problematic
      ... I m not sure whether this is an explanation, but the District of Columbia originally included land on the western bank of the Potomac donated by Virginia
      Nov 25, 2002 @ 12:16 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
8096. Medvež’e and San’kovo - an eyewitness account
      Just found on the site of the Russian weekly Rossija ( http://www.russianews.ru/index.php?body=pub&id=103 ). (translation is mine; Latin-2 encoding for best
      Nov 25, 2002 @ 12:55 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
8097. Re: baarle was caus
      thanx to victor & ed for the proxy try which is never an easy thing to pull off in any case but it was an interesting exercise & you are correct peter my
      Nov 25, 2002 @ 16:29 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8098. Re: Tripoint MKYUBG
      thanx & congrats mile what a handsome monument & theres nothing like a fresh tripoint with an official report also i cant help wondering if anyone saw or
      Nov 25, 2002 @ 17:51 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8099. more on pohenegamook, quebec
      story in yesterday s maine sunday telegram http://www.pressherald.com/news/state/021124jalbert.shtml
      Nov 25, 2002 @ 18:13 - Beckett, Bob ("Beckett, Bob" <bob.beckett@...>)
8100. Re: German web site
      ... From a helpful E-Mail by Arif ... ... Yes, now it works. Arif, thanks for guidance ! What confused me was, Mozilla has a problem with the clickable maps.
      Nov 25, 2002 @ 18:57 - Wolfgang Pietsch ("Wolfgang Pietsch" <wpi@...>)
8101. Re: DC Border Marker Problematic
      right kevin & oops i didnt mean to mislead you victor for i shouldve explained all this too when presenting that map but again much of it had previously been
      Nov 25, 2002 @ 19:43 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8102. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] UAE Internal Borders
      has christians map enclosure become detached no sign of it here or there ... a ... shown in my ... closest ... 10m from ... but it ... Joachim ... back, around
      Nov 25, 2002 @ 20:10 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8103. SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] UAE Internal Borders
      I m sorry, I forgot to send it. Here it is.... ___________ Christian Berghänel Sweden ... From: acroorca2002 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday,
      Nov 25, 2002 @ 20:51 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@swipnet.se>)
8104. [No Subject]
      interesting article in the new york times awhile ago about the abraham lincoln school in nyc located next to the iraqi u.n. mission headquarters.
      Nov 25, 2002 @ 21:31 - Beckett, Bob ("Beckett, Bob" <bob.beckett@...>)
8105. Re: baarle was caus
      ... Sorry, Mike, but I m lost at this (quadri)point. Wich is the third binational quadripoint confirmed? Perhaps a bengali one? By the way, do you think it was
      Nov 25, 2002 @ 21:31 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
8106. CAUS -- NY Times Story
      ... November 24, 2002 Looking Over the Northern Border, and Over Their Shoulder By MATTHEW PURDY ROUT RIVER, N.Y. - THIS is where the homeland begins, and
      Nov 25, 2002 @ 23:08 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
8107. HUYU (HooYoo? YooHoo!)
      Contracts signed for new Hungarian border crossing | 19:48 | Beta BELGRADE -- Monday - A 9.2 million euro agreement on construction of a new Yugoslavia-Hungary
      Nov 25, 2002 @ 23:10 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
8108. CAUS border crossing closed
      From WPTZ-TV CHAMPLAIN, N.Y. -- The Canadian border was back to normal Monday after being shut down for the first time since Sept. 11. The border was closed
      Nov 25, 2002 @ 23:11 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
8109. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: BorderBase
      Thanks Mike. When I got it all on one line it came up fine. Jack ... From: acroorca2002 [mailto:orc@orcoast.com] Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 9:52 PM To:
      Nov 25, 2002 @ 22:37 - jparsell ("jparsell" <jparsell@...>)
8110. Re: CAUS border crossing closed
      wow sounds like a story for jay if not by him but here it looks like the canucks were being the knuckleheads since who else couldve kept these guys from
      Nov 26, 2002 @ 00:11 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8111. Re: baarle was caus
      yes you arent lost at all for it is the bengali one as confirmed by brendan but not yet reported to have been visited by anyone & yes i agree the former
      Nov 26, 2002 @ 00:27 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8112. Re: Medve?’e and San’kovo - an eyewitness account
      a glowing report thanx for the effort & congrats on bringing home our first living ghost clave or seemingly just an empty hole in reality at this point however
      Nov 26, 2002 @ 01:47 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8113. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: German web site
      For anyone interested in the state of detachment of Fehrmoor from Bremerhaven, and not succeeding in the below-mentioned, I include a screendump of the area.
      Nov 26, 2002 @ 01:54 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
8114. Re: DC Border Marker Problematic
      DC turned back most of what is on the west side of the Potomac to VA because little had been developed there, and Congress, in a shortage of funds time frame,
      Nov 26, 2002 @ 04:59 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
8115. Somewhat accurate Madha?
      This is another map showing Madha at lower end. I think this is the most accurate representation of Madha I have ever seen. Please note the NE point where the
      Nov 26, 2002 @ 08:17 - I M Naanu (I M Naanu <imnaanu@yahoo.com>)
8116. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: National Geographic Quiz
      Jag går för svenska! [I better go for Swedish!] Vocabulary: fara! pozor! gränsbevakning border control gränsbo person living in a border zone gränslös
      Nov 26, 2002 @ 09:39 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
8117. Two Koreas Begin Land Surveys for Cross-Border Rail and Road Links
      Nov 26, 2002 Two Koreas Begin Land Surveys for Cross-Border Rail and Road Links The Associated Press SEOUL, South Korea (AP) - South and North Korea on Tuesday
      Nov 26, 2002 @ 11:44 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
8118. tripoints with ghost neutral zones attached
      oddly enough whether the iqkwsa tripoint is designated a ghost trinational quadripoint as suggested below or is given some better name to reflect the former
      Nov 26, 2002 @ 14:30 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8119. CAUS - Here's a good one!
      U.S. aims to break border barriers American put false info into computer By ANDREA SANDS, EDMONTON SUN U.S. immigration officials haven t wiped out false
      Nov 26, 2002 @ 15:53 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@...>)
8120. CAUS: Border arrest fuels Canada ire over US security
      More on Escourt Station, Maine from the Boston Globe: Border arrest fuels Canada ire over US security By Sarah Schweitzer, Globe Staff, 11/26/2002 ESTCOURT
      Nov 26, 2002 @ 15:56 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@...>)
8121. Re: Somewhat accurate Madha?
      ... of Dibba, which you can see on this map (upper right) which is actually divided between 2 emirates, Fujairah and Sharjah, and a third, Oman. I just want to
      Nov 26, 2002 @ 16:54 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8122. Re: Length CYUK
      better late than never i have just found this note in ibs no 7 qualifying a statement in text that says according to official german sources bede is 167km
      Nov 26, 2002 @ 18:56 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8123. Is CY base areas UK?
      http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1734839.stm
      Nov 26, 2002 @ 21:31 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8124. Re: CAUS - Here's a good one!
      Continuing about INS... Daily Lietuvos Rytas 11/26 Taurage Resident Ousted From USA Feels Humiliated by Erika Baronaite Sigitas Misevicius, 38, a resident of
      Nov 26, 2002 @ 23:35 - Karolis B. ("Karolis B." <kbajoraz@...>)
8125. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CAUS - Here's a good one!
      What does this have to do with borders or multipoints? ... From: Karolis B. [mailto:kbajoraz@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 6:36 PM To:
      Nov 27, 2002 @ 01:08 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
8126. Re: CAUS - Here's a good one!
      Nothing much. neither do above postings. But if it is much of a problem, maybe censorship (removal) of un-enough-related postings should be done?
      Nov 27, 2002 @ 06:09 - Karolis B. ("Karolis B." <kbajoraz@...>)
8127. Re: Somewhat accurate Madha?
      Acroorca2002: Please refer my earlier email #8054 having attached to it a map showing internal boundaries of UAE. You can see a small parcel belonging to
      Nov 27, 2002 @ 06:11 - I M Naanu ("I M Naanu" <imnaanu@...>)
8128. CAUS: Bordercams don't work
      Here s a story on the poorly functioning bordercams that are located along the BC-Washington State border.
      Nov 27, 2002 @ 07:05 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@...>)
8129. tp: mzzazw
      home.telkomsa.net/leveypa/Kruger/imagepages/Dsc00284.html
      Nov 27, 2002 @ 07:44 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8130. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Is CY base areas UK?
      ... The Cyprus Sovereign Base Areas have a unique status. Whilst they are administered by the UK, they are not part of the UK, nor considered to be full
      Nov 27, 2002 @ 10:07 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
8131. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Somewhat accurate Madha?
      Hi, ... At the risk of digressing from the boundary issues, the bible never mentioned the number of wise men, their names, nor pretty much anything about what
      Nov 27, 2002 @ 10:19 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
8132. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CAUS - Here's a good one!
      You certainly have a valid point, and I don t mean to single your posting out as the sole culprit . I m opposed to censorship on BP and rely on BP members to
      Nov 27, 2002 @ 11:58 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
8133. Re: CAUS - Here's a good one!
      our topic is clearly stated on the bp home page & you formulated it yourself bill admirably well imo & everyone must have seen it & agreed to it when they
      Nov 27, 2002 @ 15:53 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8134. Re: tp: mzzazw
      multi thanxxx pal a blast of fresh air the tripoint as you probably recall is at the thalweg junction of the zambezi & loangwa & i would like to imagine i can
      Nov 27, 2002 @ 16:10 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8135. streets - railways on foreign territory
      http://enklaven.piranho.com/enklaven/Frames/strassen-bahn.htm hi, this is the beginning of a collection of streets/railways on foreign territories. its part of
      Nov 27, 2002 @ 16:30 - chris (chris <wertkauf@...>)
8136. Re: streets - railways on foreign territory
      A nice collection of these particular curiosities! Don t forget the Zittau-Goerlitz railway either. A fair part of this line is on Polish soil. It is connected
      Nov 27, 2002 @ 16:44 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
8137. Re: Somewhat accurate Madha?
      ... map ... Please take ... yes thank you if indeed i have found it there & that makes it look like a single tripoint do you agree if so all the better to have
      Nov 27, 2002 @ 16:48 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8138. CAUS: Bordercams -- Vancouver Sun article 11-27-02
      More on the bad US bordercams.... U.S. camera network along B.C. border a failure: ex-official Border patrol s surveillance system prone to breakdowns Petti
      Nov 27, 2002 @ 18:36 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@...>)
8139. tp: dzlyne
      http://www.sahara-info.ch/forum3/reports/posts/2246.asp
      Nov 27, 2002 @ 20:08 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8140. tp: Tibet, Nepal und Sikkim
      http://www.klausdierks.com/images/Tibet.Dinggye.jpg
      Nov 27, 2002 @ 20:19 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8141. Re: tp: dzlyne
      gorgeous stuff & i dont read german but i believe the reason we dont see a tripoint marker in the pix is that the route of all the tricountry wanderings as
      Nov 27, 2002 @ 22:09 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8142. Re: tp: Tibet, Nepal und Sikkim
      or in other words cninnpe identified as jonsang peak in ibs no 50 aka jongsang &or jongsong at nearly 7500m probably the highest tripoint in the world so
      Nov 28, 2002 @ 00:06 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8143. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CAUS - Here's a good one!
      Mike, thanks for your thoughts...as always. While BP was originally began to facilitate discussion between pointers and bounders I also *intended* to
      Nov 28, 2002 @ 00:17 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
8144. Re: CAUS - Here's a good one!
      thanx bill well put once again i rejoice in everything that brings everyone together here especially our high regard for individuality & diversity which means
      Nov 28, 2002 @ 03:16 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8145. Baikonur
      Does anyone know of the Russian level of sovereignty over Baikonur cosmodrome and the town, and do you think it could be considiered a kind of non-sovereign
      Nov 28, 2002 @ 05:20 - Karolis B. ("Karolis B." <kbajoraz@...>)
8146. Something to pass your time!
      Hello Guys, Here s some material I got from the net regarding the Gwadar Bay. This area hosts the border between Pakistan and Iran, and both border provinces
      Nov 28, 2002 @ 05:35 - I M Naanu (I M Naanu <imnaanu@yahoo.com>)
8147. Re: [BoundaryPoint] tp: dzlyne
      Wow! That s one scenic border expedition! ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 12:08 PM Subject:
      Nov 28, 2002 @ 05:50 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
8148. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Something to pass your time!
      Hello IMN, Concerns over Macedonia are on side of the Republic of Macedonia. Macedonians are majority not only in Republic of Macedonia but in Greece
      Nov 28, 2002 @ 08:10 - Mile Milenkoski ("Mile Milenkoski" <mmilenkoski@...>)
8149. about sokh
      hi, for those of you, who speak german: http://www.taz.de/pt/2002/09/23/a0235.nf/text they speak about more then 10 enclaves in ferghana valley, bye, chris
      Nov 28, 2002 @ 11:34 - Chris Schulz ("Chris Schulz" <wertkauf@...>)
8150. Re: Somewhat accurate Madha?
      Thanks Kevin Never had any much interest in that topic anyway. Don t want to digress from our main topic on this forum- one safe haven in a mad world. Bye IMN
      Nov 28, 2002 @ 11:48 - I M Naanu ("I M Naanu" <imnaanu@...>)
8151. Re: Something to pass your time!
      Hello Milenkoski Thanks for the clarification. Never ever heard any concern from the ROMacedonia side. All I saw in the news (ages ago!)were concern over
      Nov 28, 2002 @ 11:57 - I M Naanu ("I M Naanu" <imnaanu@...>)
8152. Re: about sokh
      ... Thanks for that link! I only count seven enclaves in the area (see message 1538, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/1538 ). So there could
      Nov 28, 2002 @ 12:09 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
8153. Re: While waiting for Kokkina
      hi jesper, where on this map do you think is strovilia / akyar? here is a link relating the topic: http://groups.google.de/groups?q=Akyar+-emrah+-ernst+-
      Nov 28, 2002 @ 12:34 - max23568 ("max23568" <max23568@...>)
8154. Mauritania-Western Sahara
      Here s another border that I thought was rather odd. what do you guys think of it? Its the border between Morocco (or Western sahara, whatever you think fit)
      Nov 28, 2002 @ 12:39 - I M Naanu (I M Naanu <imnaanu@yahoo.com>)
8155. Re: Something to pass your time!
      Dear IMN, BoundaryPoint is forum for borders and related areas, not for politic. If you want to now more about Macedonia please visit this site with lot of
      Nov 28, 2002 @ 14:10 - Mile Milenkoski ("Mile Milenkoski" <mmilenkoski@...>)
8156. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Baikonur
      ... There is no Russian sovereignty as the land is leased. -Andrew -- Andrew T. Patton (andrew@AndrewPatton.com) Fairfax, VA, USA Travelogues and Photos at
      Nov 28, 2002 @ 15:43 - Andrew T. Patton ("Andrew T. Patton" <andrew@...>)
8157. Re: Baikonur
      Wait a minute. When a sovereign leases territory from another sovereign, that s minimally, a sharing of sovereigny, or a devolution of operation of
      Nov 28, 2002 @ 16:35 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
8158. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Baikonur
      ... If you define sovereignty as control over the leased land, you would be correct but I think that sovereignty implies a bit more than control. While the
      Nov 28, 2002 @ 17:06 - Andrew T. Patton ("Andrew T. Patton" <andrew@...>)
8159. Re: Somewhat accurate Madha?
      yes naanu one safe haven yes thats our main topic a wonderful idea & i couldnt have put it better myself but as all of us aboriginal multipointers here
      Nov 28, 2002 @ 20:14 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8160. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Baikonur
      ... My guess is that it very much depends on the terms of the lease. Few would argue that the US exercises de-facto sovereignty over Guantanamo Bay, whereas it
      Nov 28, 2002 @ 20:34 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
8161. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Somewhat accurate Madha?
      ... I m a relative newbie, so I m not sure I really have any right to express an opinion. However, whilst I find the multipointing aspect extremely
      Nov 28, 2002 @ 20:54 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
8162. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: While waiting for Kokkina
      I cannot find any maps on the link you gave me. Jesper ... From: max23568 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 1:34 PM Subject:
      Nov 28, 2002 @ 22:24 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8163. Re: Somewhat accurate Madha?
      ... ago even with ... de facto ... express ... whattt as i went on to say thankfully our borders are open etc so of course you & everyone else are right to be
      Nov 28, 2002 @ 22:38 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8164. [BoundaryPoint] Baikonur
      ... There is a difference but a subtle one. First I would like to indicate how I define the various concepts mentioned above. Sovereignty means ownership of a
      Nov 28, 2002 @ 22:59 - Andrew T. Patton ("Andrew T. Patton" <andrew@...>)
8165. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Somewhat accurate Madha?
      ... One hopefully didn t give the impression of trying to judge the rights and wrongs of the Guantanamo Bay and/or Cyprus situations. My intention is only ever
      Nov 28, 2002 @ 23:14 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
8166. SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] UAE Internal Borders
      ... From: I M Naanu To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 9:11 AM Subject: Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] UAE Internal Borders CB: No
      Nov 28, 2002 @ 23:02 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
8167. UAE Internal borders (Sharjah)
      Enclosed map (very poor) indicates that Hamriyah is an enclave. Comments? ________________________ Christian Berghänel Sweden christian.berghanel@swipnet.se
      Nov 28, 2002 @ 23:19 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@swipnet.se>)
8168. SV: [BoundaryPoint] UAE Internal Borders
      ... From: I M Naanu To: boundarypoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 12:52 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] UAE Internal Borders Here s a file
      Nov 28, 2002 @ 23:21 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@swipnet.se>)
8169. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Digest Number 881
      Message: 22 Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 04:39:06 -0800 (PST) From: I M Naanu Subject: Mauritania-Western Sahara Here s another border that I
      Nov 28, 2002 @ 23:32 - Martin Kopetschke ("Martin Kopetschke" <kinghassan@...>)
8170. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Somewhat accurate Madha?
      Kevin, you certainly do have a right to express your opinion...and you re certainly not alone when it comes to general interest in borders! Bill ... From:
      Nov 29, 2002 @ 03:28 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
8171. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: While waiting for Kokkina
      hi jesper, im sorry, there is indeed no map, the link was just about strovilia/akyar. my message was ment as an answer to your posting, when you added the
      Nov 29, 2002 @ 10:42 - Chris Schulz ("Chris Schulz" <wertkauf@...>)
8172. Russia - Georgia: News Story
      From Interfax: 29.11.2002 11:13:04 Border guard gets doped on mushrooms, kills four fellow servicemen STAVROPOL/CHERKESSK. Nov 29 (Interfax) - Border guard
      Nov 29, 2002 @ 10:46 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@...>)
8173. UAE / Oman boundary
      At http://www.arabian-adventures.com/trade/fit/uae_map.htm I found some maps of UAE. I enclose 2 of the more interesting... ________________________ Christian
      Nov 29, 2002 @ 10:57 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@swipnet.se>)
8174. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Russia - Georgia: News Story
      Do you have the link for this? ... went on a shooting spree, killing four of his fellow servicemen and seriously wounding seven. The soldier is believed to
      Nov 29, 2002 @ 13:00 - John Kelly ("John Kelly" <johnkelly@...>)
8175. Border virus -- really!
      Check this out. I got #2 on the list, but deleted it before anything happened. http://www.buildorbuy.org/border.html Doug Doug Murray Productions / Border
      Nov 29, 2002 @ 18:32 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@...>)
8176. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Russia - Georgia: News Story
      http://www.interfax.ru/one_news_en.html?lang=EN&tz=0&tz_format=MSK&id_news=5608399 and another at: http://gazeta.ru/2002/11/29/Borderguardk.shtml Doug ...
      Nov 29, 2002 @ 20:51 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
8177. Re: Baikonur
      I guess I worded it wrong. I very well realize that the Republic of Kazakhstan is the sovereign in the town and cosmodrome of Baikonur, Kazakhstan. I was just
      Nov 29, 2002 @ 21:16 - Karolis B. ("Karolis B." <kbajoraz@...>)
8178. another perspective on sovereignty
      http://www.colorhealing.com/articles/isaacgeorge.htm a surprising item found while browsing for sovereignty borders divine right of kings etc also
      Nov 30, 2002 @ 06:52 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
8179. Re: SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] UAE Internal Borders
      Christian: I did not see any visible borders between Fujairah and Sharjah. At least, not like the one I had posted earlier between Dubai & Sharjah. I had gone
      Nov 30, 2002 @ 07:53 - I M Naanu ("I M Naanu" <imnaanu@...>)
8180. Re: UAE Internal borders (Sharjah)
      Chritian: Hamriya is not detached from Sharjah. It is connected by a thin area which is narrowest between Ajman & Umm Al Qaiwain. Please refer my message 8054
      Nov 30, 2002 @ 07:59 - I M Naanu ("I M Naanu" <imnaanu@...>)
8181. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] UAE Internal Borders
      Christian, Thanks for the Wonderful maps. That site is indeed good and I had also seen some maps of Pre-Independence India- Its worth seeing the number of
      Nov 30, 2002 @ 08:11 - I M Naanu ("I M Naanu" <imnaanu@...>)
8182. Re: Something to pass your time!
      no apologies necessary & maybe you can help me with my quest for the other end of that line the point where the baluchistans meet afghanistan aka afirpk i have
      Nov 30, 2002 @ 08:33 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8183. A New Topic + Clarification
      Dear Milenkoski, Thanks enough for your explicit directions. Though Politics, Religion, etc- always have had bearing on geographical borders, I could not help
      Nov 30, 2002 @ 08:37 - I M Naanu (I M Naanu <imnaanu@yahoo.com>)
8184. Re: A New Topic + Clarification
      ... border and particularly the Pakistan-Afghanistan-Iran tripoint. Here s a map shoing this area. Hoping to hear from Y all. hahahaha see previous message
      Nov 30, 2002 @ 08:47 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8185. PKAFIR tripoint
      Acroorca2002: Here s a boundary study conducted by the US State Dept on the Iran-Afghanistan border. The study is dated, but geographically detailed. It
      Nov 30, 2002 @ 09:23 - I M Naanu (I M Naanu <imnaanu@yahoo.com>)
8186. Re: A New Topic + Clarification
      Unbelievable, Acroorca2002 !!! Agree we must have unity of thought as well!!
      Nov 30, 2002 @ 09:45 - I M Naanu ("I M Naanu" <imnaanu@...>)
8187. Re: SPAM: [BoundaryPoint] streets - railways on foreign territory
      Chris (and everybody else): Are you familiar with this site: http://www.steane.com/egtre/egtre.php It lists all train routes that pass into foreign territory
      Nov 30, 2002 @ 09:46 - Rolf Palmberg (Rolf Palmberg <rpalmber@...>)
8188. pkafir LINK
      here s a good link containing topo maps of Afghanistan: http://www.aims.org.pk/country_profile explore; some of the maps are big 880KB and I find it difficult
      Nov 30, 2002 @ 10:16 - I M Naanu ("I M Naanu" <imnaanu@...>)
8189. Re: Baikonur
      Hello, I found a webpage where Baikonur is called a Russian enclave . It also mentions that it has been regulated simultaneously for the past few years by
      Nov 30, 2002 @ 10:19 - anton_zeilinger ("anton_zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
8190. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: UAE Internal borders (Sharjah)
      IMH: I suppose you re right. That map I sent is the only source where I have seen Hamraiya as indicated as an enclave. Perhaps it s a misstake by someone who
      Nov 30, 2002 @ 11:34 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
8191. SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] UAE Internal Borders
      IMH, is it possible to provide us/me the material concerning Dibba and Kalba? That would be extremely interesting!!!!! ______________ CB Christian, Thanks for
      Nov 30, 2002 @ 11:38 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
8192. SV: SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] UAE Internal Borders
      On the way from Sharjah, though, we come to a place called Masafi, which is in Ras Al Khaimah, but is on the border with Fujairah and a fairly large roundabout
      Nov 30, 2002 @ 11:55 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@swipnet.se>)
8193. SV: SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] UAE Internal Borders
      Christian: I tried looking at the signboards of businesses along the side of the road, looking for the point where the address would change from Fujairah to
      Nov 30, 2002 @ 12:04 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
8194. CAUS -- Detroit Free Press Story
      http://www.freep.com/news/metro/border28_20021028.htm Doug Murray Productions / Border Films CBC Infomatrix / CBC POV Sports Vancouver BC Canada
      Nov 30, 2002 @ 19:32 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@...>)
8195. Re: pkafir LINK
      ... wow great news that such a site even exists tho for some reason i am forbidden access to it perhaps you or someone could give a verbal description of
      Nov 30, 2002 @ 20:11 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8196. RE: [BoundaryPoint] CAUS -- Detroit Free Press Story
      Nice article, thanks Doug. Border Patrol agents in two sport-utility vehicles whisk past grazing cows and rows of raspberry canes toward the couple on Zero
      Nov 30, 2002 @ 21:28 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
8197. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CAUS -- Detroit Free Press Story
      Not really -- the vehicles wouldn t be able to enter Canada, or if they did, it the BP agents would have no authority. And would have entered Canada
      Nov 30, 2002 @ 21:32 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
8198. RE: [BoundaryPoint] CAUS -- Detroit Free Press Story
      If you do, take your camera! Bill ... From: Doug Murray [mailto:doug@dougmurrayproductions.com] Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 4:32 PM To:
      Nov 30, 2002 @ 21:50 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
8199. Re: pkafir LINK
      Hello, try this link: http://www.aims.org.pk/country_profile/countryprofile.html Anton ... tripoint
      Nov 30, 2002 @ 22:01 - anton_zeilinger ("anton_zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
8200. Re: pkafir LINK
      thanx anton but i am pdf blind besides doh anyway can you see & perhaps show or tell anything interesting there ... difficult ... occurring ... of ...
      Nov 30, 2002 @ 22:20 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8201. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] UAE Internal Borders
      yes naanu this first map from christian here does substantially corroborate your map from message 8054 at least well enough to permit a first serious try at
      Dec 01, 2002 @ 00:35 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8202. Re: Baikonur - sovereignty over leaseholds
      ... You and the US Courts would be in disagreement here. Several lawsuits have been made with regards to the prisoners from Afghanistan. The US Courts have
      Dec 01, 2002 @ 01:39 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
8203. Re: Baikonur - Diego Garcia
      ... Few would argue that the US exercises de-facto sovereignty over Guantanamo Bay, whereas it exercises much less control over (say) Diego Garcia. Kevin, I
      Dec 01, 2002 @ 01:52 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
8204. Re: SV: SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] UAE Internal Borders
      Chritian: You are amazingly accurate in that you have shown on the map the Ajman enclave of Manamah slightly off to the North (10km) of the Sharjah- Masafi
      Dec 01, 2002 @ 06:21 - I M Naanu ("I M Naanu" <imnaanu@...>)
8205. Re: SV: SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] UAE Internal Borders
      Christian: You dont see the UAE national flag at commercial establishments in the UAE. I think there might be some restrictions about its usage, but I ve not
      Dec 01, 2002 @ 06:41 - I M Naanu ("I M Naanu" <imnaanu@...>)
8206. Re: pkafir LINK
      Acroorca2002: I m sorry to have given you a faulty link. Try the main site: http://www.aims.org.pk or its mirror http://aims.itos.uga.edu/ On the IBS
      Dec 01, 2002 @ 06:56 - I M Naanu ("I M Naanu" <imnaanu@...>)
8207. Re: pkafir LINK
      ... http://www.law.fsu.edu/library/collection/LimitsinSeas/numericali bs- ... I m ... re all the above as mentioned i am unable to receive pdf files here but i
      Dec 01, 2002 @ 07:52 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8208. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] UAE Internal Borders
      acroorca2002: Amazing exercise this punctography of UAE internal & External borders. Wonder how! I agree with Arif and it confirms Joachim Duester s (aka JD )
      Dec 01, 2002 @ 08:00 - I M Naanu ("I M Naanu" <imnaanu@...>)
8209. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] UAE Internal Borders
      ... multi thanxxx dear naanu i swoon at every appreciation of these things ... & this explains also the amazing patchwork quilt you guys have achieved there
      Dec 01, 2002 @ 10:01 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8210. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Diego Garcia
      Len, ... I think it s actually slightly more complicated. I don t believe there s any lease as such, but a 50-year agreement (starting from 1966) that the US
      Dec 01, 2002 @ 11:13 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
8211. [BoundaryPoint]: Baikonur - sovereignty over leaseholds
      ... I think we have different view or definitions of Sovereignty which make discussion of Sovereignty difficult. We had a similar disagreement over the areas
      Dec 01, 2002 @ 17:27 - Andrew T. Patton ("Andrew T. Patton" <andrew@...>)
8212. clearly i was mistaken
      from message 8163 ... all ... but this topic has now forged ahead of time zones & the euro & airport security & what side of the road to drive on as our
      Dec 01, 2002 @ 17:39 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8213. SV: SV: SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] UAE Internal Borders
      Chritian: You are amazingly accurate in that you have shown on the map the Ajman enclave of Manamah slightly off to the North (10km) of the Sharjah- Masafi
      Dec 01, 2002 @ 18:02 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
8214. Diego Garcia
      My friend, a former US military member, was stationed in Diego Garcia, and she said that when she arrived on the island, in a US military plane, she had to go
      Dec 01, 2002 @ 18:34 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
8215. Re: Diego Garcia
      4 freakin years that is the slowest customs clearance i ever heard of ... Diego Garcia, and ... plane, she ... ago.
      Dec 01, 2002 @ 22:31 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8216. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Diego Garcia
      Diego GarciaIt seems that the island is leased! See this link: http://www.qsl.net/fara/newsletters/0010/page3.html The VQ-prefix used for the amateur-radio
      Dec 01, 2002 @ 22:53 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
8217. CAUS: VTQC
      Some neat pictures in the Stanstead, Quebec - Derby Line, Vermont area: http://www.vismt.org/cfusion/cf2001/Community/ontheborder.html Doug Murray Productions
      Dec 01, 2002 @ 23:17 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@...>)
8218. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Diego Garcia
      Harry, ... I read lots of confused information about Diego Garcia ;-) I even read one article that was under the impression Diego Garcia was leased from
      Dec 01, 2002 @ 23:58 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
8219. Saint Pierre et Miquelon
      Here s a site with some great photos of this unique little place. http://www.st-pierre-et-miquelon.com/flash/stpierre.html Doug Doug Murray Productions /
      Dec 02, 2002 @ 00:47 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@...>)
8220. CAFR border!!
      The CAFR border! http://www.st-pierre-et-miquelon.com/pos_spm.pdf Doug Murray Productions / Border Films CBC Infomatrix / CBC POV Sports Vancouver BC Canada
      Dec 02, 2002 @ 01:37 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@...>)
8221. CAFR - Even better
      Check the location of Ile Verte in relation to the wet border between France and Canada. http://www.st-pierre-et-miquelon.com/stp_miq.pdf Does anyone have a
      Dec 02, 2002 @ 01:39 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@...>)
8222. St Pierre et Miquelon
      Doug et al, I had an amazing opportunity to visit St Pierre et Miquelon (SPM) three years ago to conduct some research on tourism development. It s really a
      Dec 02, 2002 @ 02:19 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
8223. Re: St Pierre et Miquelon
      when i was last in st pierre circa 1965 most international traffic still came & went by passenger ferry thrice weekly to & from the port of fortune
      Dec 02, 2002 @ 12:29 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8224. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: St Pierre et Miquelon
      Here s a map showing Green Island and several others near CAFR. My quest is to find a chart that covers this area... my dream is that the boundary runs across
      Dec 02, 2002 @ 15:32 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
8225. Dubki
      I hope this works, but I found quite a good map of Dubki area online. There almost seems to be a separate pene-enclave in the northeast. Only thing is that I
      Dec 02, 2002 @ 16:34 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
8226. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Dubki
      It works for me, but here s a screen capture anyway. Peter S. ...
      Dec 02, 2002 @ 16:47 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
8227. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Dubki
      Hi, I hope, i got the place of interest... and here a link to get orientation: http://www.europa-wird-bunter.de/layout/karten/estland-g.jpg the area is close
      Dec 02, 2002 @ 17:10 - Chris Schulz ("Chris Schulz" <wertkauf@gmx.net>)
8228. Re: Dubki
      Cf. also the map posted by Brendan in msg. 3088 (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/3088) Peter S.
      Dec 02, 2002 @ 17:12 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
8229. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Dubki
      http://www.ciesin.ee/estonia/MAP/e-29.html and another link, but not as acurate as the very first. bye, chris ... From: Arif Samad To:
      Dec 02, 2002 @ 17:20 - Chris Schulz ("Chris Schulz" <wertkauf@...>)
8230. Re: St Pierre et Miquelon
      a salute & a shrubbery for your quest my liege as i found nrcan does offer a paper topo embracing this area however your dream is looking perfectly phantasmic
      Dec 02, 2002 @ 21:55 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8231. Re: St Pierre et Miquelon
      this dream is not likeley, I think :( however, as for spilt islands another one has been found on LTBY! Now Druksiai lake, near LTBYLV is known to have two
      Dec 02, 2002 @ 22:55 - Karolis B. ("Karolis B." <kbajoraz@...>)
8232. Re: Dubki
      ... I wonder in this map which would be the border marker seen in one of those Dubki pictures posted here not that long ago
      Dec 02, 2002 @ 23:15 - Karolis B. ("Karolis B." <kbajoraz@...>)
8233. iqsytr class d
      http://www.yale.edu/ceo/DataArchives/p172_r35.html 9 of these fairly similar space shots include iqsytr all of them are facing east from easternmost syria the
      Dec 03, 2002 @ 03:56 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
8234. Re: iqsytr class d corrected
      whoops hopefully corrected url ... rivers ... tigris ... tigris ... these ... confluence area ... __________________________________________________ ... FREE*.
      Dec 03, 2002 @ 04:00 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8235. Re: Saint Pierre et Miquelon
      Doug: Transatlantic Passengers frequently fly over St. Pierre and Miquelon, though many are not aware of it. It is a wonderful sight indeed. I once had the
      Dec 03, 2002 @ 05:38 - I M Naanu ("I M Naanu" <imnaanu@...>)
8236. New States
      There were a lot more tripoints after this occurred. I believe Freeborn County is in Minnesota. However, by the time NM was in there were 47 States, since
      Dec 03, 2002 @ 18:57 - jparsell ("jparsell" <jparsell@...>)
8237. SV: SV: SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] UAE Internal Borders
      ... From: I M Naanu To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 7:41 AM Subject: Re: SV: SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] UAE Internal Borders Re:
      Dec 03, 2002 @ 22:51 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
8238. Re: New States
      tristate points certainly increased steadily in number as the number of states grew but such steady growth in the total number of federal tripoints may be more
      Dec 03, 2002 @ 23:59 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8239. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: DC Border Marker Problematic
      wonderful explanations thanks i had no idea what had happened in DC, that is, that it even extended beyond the potomac in the past. VC ...
      Dec 04, 2002 @ 06:12 - Victor Cantore (Victor Cantore <drpotatoes@...>)
8240. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: baarle was caus
      Yes Peter that s exactly where i was standing! It s a shame i missed the quadripoint, however, there s always the next european vacation. vc ...
      Dec 04, 2002 @ 06:17 - Victor Cantore (Victor Cantore <drpotatoes@...>)
8241. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CAUS -- Detroit Free Press Story
      Doug: just a note when i was in Vancouver in May i was surprised to see a US border patrol car in Canadian territory already passed the customs post. It was in
      Dec 04, 2002 @ 06:21 - Victor Cantore (Victor Cantore <drpotatoes@...>)
8242. USMX - The elusive marker #255
      ugggh it took me a long time to finally locate this marker and the reason for that is that its not on the border at all but about 50 meters in US territory.
      Dec 04, 2002 @ 06:44 - Victor Cantore (Victor Cantore <drpotatoes@yahoo.com>)
8243. Nomenclature
      Can anyone direct me to the message or messages or the authority on nomenclature? For example Class A , Class D, thalweg, etc. I see them used all the time,
      Dec 04, 2002 @ 06:56 - Victor Cantore (Victor Cantore <drpotatoes@...>)
8244. Re: Nomenclature
      doctor our search function & nomenclature are often equally ridiculous but a thalweg is just the deepest & swiftest part of any stream aka the center of the
      Dec 04, 2002 @ 11:30 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8246. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Nomenclature (thalweg)
      ... The thalweg also makes it clear to which country islands in a river belong. In dry times, these islands could become attached to one of the banks. When the
      Dec 04, 2002 @ 12:02 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
8247. Re: USMX - The elusive marker #255
      this mon 255 is quite interesting & unusual in that it was deliberately misplaced & i believe few others like it will be found anywhere so congrats are in
      Dec 04, 2002 @ 13:09 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8248. Lithuanian and Russian diplomats forge a deal on transit to Kaliningrad, to be signed this year
      http://www.takas.lt/english/naujienos_en.php?msg_id=3412&tipas=p Jan ... Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system
      Dec 04, 2002 @ 15:15 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
8249. IBRU research associate vacancy
      Dear colleagues, I would be grateful if you could circulate the following job announcement to anyone who may be interested: The International Boundaries
      Dec 04, 2002 @ 16:17 - Martin Pratt ("Martin Pratt" <m.a.pratt@...>)
8250. Re: IBRU research associate vacancy
      for anyone experiencing difficulties with this or any other links as provided in bp messages please be aware that minor adjustments are frequently needed in
      Dec 04, 2002 @ 17:02 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8251. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: USMX - The elusive marker #255
      A page over that the fun Geocaching site (great concept -- we border freaks should leave little treasures at tri-points for other border freaks) revealed a
      Dec 04, 2002 @ 17:41 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
8252. Re: USMX - The elusive marker #255
      i believe the goodly doctor has it right because the usgs topo indicates monument 255 is missing from the mxus line where it should fall about a mile to the
      Dec 04, 2002 @ 20:20 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8253. Re: USMX - The elusive marker #255
      whoops i still think victor is right but doug could be right too as my alleged usgs mon 256 may only be a trompe loeil 255 or a usgs error for there is after
      Dec 04, 2002 @ 20:56 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8254. Re: St Pierre et Miquelon
      ... quest is to find a chart that covers this area... my dream is that the boundary runs across one of the Islands. Well, the dream could be reality! Found at
      Dec 04, 2002 @ 21:23 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
8255. Re: St Pierre et Miquelon
      ... place ... contient ... is ... dated 193something...might ve been just a myth among people wishing to believe same as we do in a split island
      Dec 04, 2002 @ 22:45 - Karolis B ("Karolis B" <kbajoras@...>)
8256. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: St Pierre et Miquelon
      Wow! Good work Peter! I think I will go down to the Topo map office here and see if there is a sheet showing the area in detail. Could you imagine if we ve
      Dec 05, 2002 @ 00:26 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
8257. Re: St Pierre et Miquelon
      yes that was amazingly good work by peter & congrats to both of you also as i mentioned there definitely is a nrcan topo of the area date unknown but the final
      Dec 05, 2002 @ 01:07 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8258. Re: St Pierre et Miquelon
      more fuel http://www.faulquemont.com/io_outremer.html --- In BoundaryPoint@y..., acroorca2002 wrote: yes that was amazingly good work by peter
      Dec 05, 2002 @ 01:27 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8259. DDR - FRG pictures
      Just found a treasure trove of DDR-FRG pictures -- pre- and post- wall fall. Click here: http://www.cablenet.ne.jp/~berlin/platz/your/your1e.html Doug Murray
      Dec 05, 2002 @ 03:23 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@...>)
8260. ca-nl
      Netherlands exclave in Canada: html://www.craigmarlatt.com/craig/canada/provinces&territories/netherl ands.html (long link, you might have to cut and paste the
      Dec 05, 2002 @ 10:28 - anton_zeilinger ("anton_zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
8261. Which side of the road do they drive on?
      Interesting site: http://www.travel-library.com/general/driving/drive_which_side.html (scroll down, there is a paragraph on border crossings) Greetings, AntonZ
      Dec 05, 2002 @ 10:40 - anton_zeilinger ("anton_zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
8262. Re: St Pierre et Miquelon
      I m still not sure, though. The CAFR boundary regarding territorial waters was not regulated by the court of arbitration ruling of 1992, but earlier on, and
      Dec 05, 2002 @ 10:41 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
8263. Re: St Pierre et Miquelon
      another great find peter & i agree this is the right stuff & also share your continuing uncertainty at least until we see the right map however it is also
      Dec 05, 2002 @ 15:04 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8264. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: St Pierre et Miquelon
      I ll be at the national map office in a couple of hours! Doug ... From: acroorca2002 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 7:04
      Dec 05, 2002 @ 18:01 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
8265. cninpk uncertainty ramifies
      http://www.the-week.com/22dec01/events2.htm
      Dec 05, 2002 @ 22:04 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8266. Strange bordermarker
      Hi, via Google I found a blurry picture of a strange bordermarker: www.belly-button.net/pics/dir2/oldloirpics/boundary.jpg It just says International
      Dec 05, 2002 @ 22:22 - anton_zeilinger ("anton_zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
8267. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Strange bordermarker
      Well, it s definitely on the US-Canada border, but who knows where?!?! Dallen ... From: anton_zeilinger [mailto:anton_zeilinger@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday,
      Dec 05, 2002 @ 23:21 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
8268. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: St Pierre et Miquelon
      Well, I checked out the only map available locally, a 1:250,000 topo -- and I can t tell. I ve ordered the 1:50,000 version, and it will be in my hands in 2
      Dec 06, 2002 @ 00:09 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
8269. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Strange bordermarker
      RE: [BoundaryPoint] Strange bordermarkerMy guess is North Dakota - Manitoba. The one person is wearing a Winnipeg t-shirt. Though it could be anywhere...
      Dec 06, 2002 @ 00:14 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
8270. Saint-Pierre et Miquelon
      Mao from 1763... Doug Murray Productions / Border Films CBC Infomatrix / CBC POV Sports Vancouver BC Canada +1-604-728-1407 Best Vancouver excuse for being
      Dec 06, 2002 @ 01:16 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
8271. Wecome to Saint Pierre!
      Doug Murray Productions / Border Films CBC Infomatrix / CBC POV Sports Vancouver BC Canada +1-604-728-1407 Best Vancouver excuse for being late for work: A
      Dec 06, 2002 @ 01:17 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
8272. Re: Strange bordermarker
      sharp shooting in the fog doug & i agree it could be any of the 8 or 9 thousand caus monuments but if as i surmise they took hwy 75 the main drag from winnipeg
      Dec 06, 2002 @ 02:10 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8273. Fw: [BoundaryPoint] Re: St Pierre et Miquelon
      ***RESEND*** Well, I checked out the only map available locally, a 1:250,000 topo -- and I can t tell. I ve ordered the 1:50,000 version, and it will be in
      Dec 06, 2002 @ 03:39 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
8274. Re: Strange bordermarker
      Hi, ... You always amaze me! Great, thanks! I have to admit that I did not even realize it HAD to be caus, I guessed so, but was not sure, I thought it could
      Dec 06, 2002 @ 09:10 - anton_zeilinger ("anton_zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
8275. Re: St Pierre et Miquelon
      Hi, ... There is a city/town in St.Pierre & Mick called Banc de l Ile Verte Now, my french is pretty rusty, but I would say that banc = bank (as in sand
      Dec 06, 2002 @ 09:20 - anton_zeilinger ("anton_zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
8276. Fw: [BoundaryPoint] Re: St Pierre et Miquelon
      i dont think we have a good enough map yet to get a reliable answer by just taking the turning point data & drawing the lines but i did at least review the
      Dec 06, 2002 @ 10:11 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8277. Re: Strange bordermarker
      thanx anton tho it is of course only best guessing ad absurdum & just a lot of fun but i believe the identification of your monument as caus was based on
      Dec 06, 2002 @ 10:33 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8278. English language neighbours (was Re: Strange bordermarker)
      Anton, ... It rather depends on how you define an English-speaking country. Both India and Pakistan define English as an official language (and it s the
      Dec 06, 2002 @ 10:45 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
8279. Fw: [BoundaryPoint] Re: St Pierre et Miquelon
      ... that ... islets ... It is a bit confusing that in the 1972 (not 1974, as I wrote earlier on) text there are two lost children : the one with the article
      Dec 06, 2002 @ 11:30 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
8280. Fw: [BoundaryPoint] Re: St Pierre et Miquelon
      ... belonging to ... Canadian ... right & interesting tho i think we havent confused them more below ... the ... be ... these ... one ... its low ... further
      Dec 06, 2002 @ 13:53 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8281. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: St Pierre et Miquelon
      I have just sent an email to Michael O Sullivan, the head of the International Boundary Commission and the chief field engineer, Carl Gustafson. I ve asked
      Dec 06, 2002 @ 17:35 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
8282. Re: St Pierre et Miquelon
      ... International Boundary Commission and the chief field engineer, Carl Gustafson. I ve asked them about our nagging question as to whether there is a dry
      Dec 06, 2002 @ 19:46 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
8283. Re: St Pierre et Miquelon - Stamps changed
      I just learned that St. Pierre s stamps have been changed by the French post office - they carry the national counry name of only SPM in the design. The
      Dec 06, 2002 @ 22:22 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
8284. CAUS "Parking Lots"
      The fun continues along the worlds longest undefended border... Dec. 6, 2002. 05:55 PM Manley balks at idea of border parking lots WASHINGTON (CP) - Canada
      Dec 07, 2002 @ 01:00 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
8285. CAUS: 30 Point Plan...
      And now over to our White House correspondent: For Immediate Release Office of the Press Secretary December 6, 2002 U.S. - Canada Smart Border/30 Point Action
      Dec 07, 2002 @ 01:02 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
8286. Re: SV: SV: SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] UAE Internal Borders
      Christian: Please give me your email address- write to me at yahoo.com -imnaanu
      Dec 07, 2002 @ 06:47 - I M Naanu <imnaanu@yahoo.com> ("I M Naanu <imnaanu@...>" <imnaanu@...>)
8287. Re: DDR - FRG pictures
      Doug: Great Find! Especially the Before/After pics were quite interesting indeed. Nice material, Doug! -IMN ... wall fall. ...
      Dec 07, 2002 @ 06:58 - I M Naanu <imnaanu@yahoo.com> ("I M Naanu <imnaanu@...>" <imnaanu@...>)
8288. Re: ca-nl
      Fascinating! Is that maternity ward still Dutch teritory? The implications are that- if Nederlands follows the US principle of granting citizenship to all
      Dec 07, 2002 @ 07:07 - I M Naanu <imnaanu@yahoo.com> ("I M Naanu <imnaanu@...>" <imnaanu@...>)
8289. Re: ca-nl
      Hello! Well, I don t believe that it is still Dutch territory, on another homepage it says: The Canadian government temporarily ceded the maternity room at
      Dec 07, 2002 @ 10:42 - anton_zeilinger <anton_zeilinger@hotmail ("anton_zeilinger <anton_zeilinger@...>" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
8290. SV: SV: SV: SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] UAE Internal Borders
      IM, My email is christian.berghanel@swipnet.se Thanks! ... From: mailto:I M Naanu
      Dec 07, 2002 @ 10:50 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
8291. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ca-nl
      Anton, ... The whole story strikes me as one made-up after the fact for public relations purposes. Being born in Canada to Dutch parents wouldn t have
      Dec 07, 2002 @ 11:42 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
8292. Re: ca-nl
      Hello Kevin, ... I don t think the story was made up. You can find it on any site you like whether it be the official homepage of the Royal Family of the
      Dec 07, 2002 @ 13:35 - anton_zeilinger <anton_zeilinger@hotmail ("anton_zeilinger <anton_zeilinger@...>" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
8293. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ca-nl
      Anton, ... I suppose I was wondering out loud whether the enclave was actually created in advance of the birth, or whether it was created retrospectively.
      Dec 07, 2002 @ 13:51 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
8294. magical bp power discovered
      this may have been a present possibility from day 1 but i have just realized how to delete any message from the bp archive & i do appreciate what a positively
      Dec 07, 2002 @ 19:45 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8295. & a happy bp quinti half birthday to us all
      also just realized today is the 2 & a halfth anniversary of the birthpoint of bp aka our third calendrical antipodes poignantly it reminds me of those funny 2
      Dec 08, 2002 @ 01:42 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8296. Re: ca-nl
      Hello Kevin! ... created ... retrospectively. I m ... involved ... By now I am sure that this act of parliament really did occur, since it can be found on
      Dec 08, 2002 @ 14:19 - anton_zeilinger <anton_zeilinger@hotmail ("anton_zeilinger <anton_zeilinger@...>" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
8297. Re: Vogtlandbahn
      ... time (so all ... border goes ... territory for ... again into ... on the ... The latest edition of the UK railway journal Branch Line News mentions this
      Dec 08, 2002 @ 18:26 - David Birch <strataflorida@yahoo.co.uk> ("David Birch <strataflorida@...>" <strataflorida@...>)
8298. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ca-nl
      Was there a parliamentary act that reversed this and ceded the hospital room back to Canada? Or is this still technically Dutch territory? thanks, Mike K. ...
      Dec 08, 2002 @ 21:20 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
8299. The Phantom quad -point at arkamook
      Please refer to the attached Word document for my conclusions on this subject. Jack
      Dec 08, 2002 @ 22:00 - jparsell ("jparsell" <jparsell@northnet.org>)
8300. Re: The Phantom quad -point at arkamook
      ... thanx jack am doc blind here but will look for it at the next library just ahead md
      Dec 09, 2002 @ 01:03 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8301. The Phantom Quad-point at Arkansas – Kansas – Missouri – Oklahoma
      Mike, Here s a reprint of Jack s word attachment: The Phantom Quad-point at Arkansas – Kansas – Missouri – Oklahoma With reference to Michael s comments
      Dec 09, 2002 @ 03:27 - Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@kua.net> ("Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>" <hanrahan@...>)
8302. NH/Vt
      The following is ust in from a friend. Thought it might be of interest. There s lots of evidence of map screw ups around here. New Hampshire and Vermont both
      Dec 09, 2002 @ 05:51 - b.whyte@pgrad.unimelb.edu.au (b.whyte@...)
8303. Re: The Phantom Quad-point at Arkansas – Kansas – Missouri – Oklahoma
      ahh i can see now so a major thanx to you too bill & jack i read you loud & clear on all points except the last part of your conclusion & i especially have no
      Dec 09, 2002 @ 06:32 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8304. Re: The Phantom Quad-point at Arkansas – Kansas – Missouri – Oklahoma
      http://digital.library.okstate.edu/Chronicles/v005/v005p287.html tho also inconclusive is interesting in that it tells a slightly different story & shows a
      Dec 09, 2002 @ 16:44 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8305. Re: NH/Vt
      for your friends info & with a salute for the goods gore is a standard term evidently only in nh & vt or at least nowhere else i have ever heard of & this is
      Dec 09, 2002 @ 17:50 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8306. Transfrontier Game Park
      Limpopo Transfrontier Park to become reality December 09, 2002, 06:20 AM The world s largest transfrontier conservation area will formally become reality when
      Dec 10, 2002 @ 02:35 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
8307. Re: Transfrontier Game Park
      the following mzzazw data gleaned from brownlie & ibs 117 118 & 133 may also help the trypointing game once the fences are removed this tripoint is hard to
      Dec 10, 2002 @ 14:13 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8308. Croatia - Yugoslavia border deal
      Read all about it: http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=1881715 Doug Murray Productions / Border Films CBC Infomatrix / CBC POV Sports
      Dec 10, 2002 @ 17:53 - Doug Murray Productions ("Doug Murray Productions" <doug@...>)
8309. Steinstuecken Airlift - USAF Uniform Patch
      Greetings, I just posted a photo of a uniform patch worn by participants in the US Air Force flights between the US sector of W. Berlin and Steinstuecken. It
      Dec 10, 2002 @ 18:25 - L. A. Nadybal <lnadybal@comcast.net> ("L. A. Nadybal <lnadybal@...>" <lnadybal@...>)
8310. adesfre pic
      http://www.terra.es/personal/en.be.sa/CBHEnriqueportella.jpg You can see the 427 spain/France boundary marker and, at several meters, the eurorando
      Dec 10, 2002 @ 18:37 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
8311. PLh
      Unfortunately only in Lithuanian Rysy is the highest mountain in Poland, actually on the border to Slovakia. Seems to be a cold place...
      Dec 10, 2002 @ 18:41 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
8312. Re: Croatia - Yugoslavia border deal
      more about it & a map http://www.un.int/croatia/statement/doc/doc_011299.htm but i think the border may not have been changed by this deal & there are no
      Dec 10, 2002 @ 20:13 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8313. Re: PLh
      of possible further interest to our highpointers & lowpointers as well as our multidimensional extremists & rainbow tourists is this listing of highs & lows
      Dec 11, 2002 @ 12:18 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8314. Fwd: Vogtlandbahn
      dear udo welcome to bp & congrats on being our first arrival by bank shot for some reason your recent intro post attached below & relayed herewith not only
      Dec 11, 2002 @ 13:00 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
8316. Re: PLh
      Rysy actually has two summits - one of 2503.0m, which is entirely within Slovakia, and one of 2499.6m, which lies exactly on the border and is the highest
      Dec 11, 2002 @ 18:17 - Grant Hutchison <granthutchison@blueyond ("Grant Hutchison <granthutchison@...>" <granthutchison@...>)
8317. Re: PLh
      Rysy actually has two summits - one of 2503.0m, which is entirely within Slovakia, and one of 2499.6m, which lies exactly on the border and is the highest
      Dec 11, 2002 @ 18:16 - Grant Hutchison <granthutchison@blueyond ("Grant Hutchison <granthutchison@...>" <granthutchison@...>)
8318. Graham/ferdinandea Island
      Nice story: Will Italy and Grat Britain claim for a reemerged island? You can read about it at: http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,5-2002552353,00.html
      Dec 11, 2002 @ 19:35 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
8319. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: PLh
      ... I only know NL-low. The one on the website is no longer valid. http://home.planet.nl/~veenhh/borderland/nederland/pa-extremes.htm Thanks for that nice link
      Dec 11, 2002 @ 19:58 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
8320. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ca-nl
      Presuambly if sovereignity was ceeded by Canada, Canada could not reverse such a decision as it would have become Dutch sovereign territory, over which the
      Dec 11, 2002 @ 22:17 - Bramwell Hayes (=?iso-8859-1?q?Bramwell=20Hayes?= <bramwellhayes@...>)
8321. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: PLh
      Thank you, Grant! I have forwarded this information to Linas who actually is the right person and who was there. He is a new potential Lithuanian BP member.
      Dec 12, 2002 @ 08:05 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
8322. Re: PLh
      ... maybe it is because you all live so close to the border sort of like canadians except you are surrounded
      Dec 12, 2002 @ 13:03 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8323. Re: PLh
      ... country ... Fact Book. well hearing from you & harry was a pick me up anyway but is there a single source for the right stuff in this case
      Dec 12, 2002 @ 13:11 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8324. Re: Graham/ferdinandea Island
      interesting one i believe i once read that an island loses its territory & its nationality when it ceases to exist according to some principle of international
      Dec 12, 2002 @ 13:49 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8325. Re: PLh
      thanx harry good show & i wish you would do something about that naked nle extremity just to run the whole table or gamut but i find the change in nll owing to
      Dec 12, 2002 @ 15:06 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8326. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: PLh
      Some remarks Mike The highist skyscraper in Amsterdam would never reach NLhigh. The highist building is in Rotterdam, 151 mtrs asl:
      Dec 12, 2002 @ 20:23 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
8327. Re: PLh
      ... Well, not until I publish the 2nd edition of my tables ... Grant
      Dec 12, 2002 @ 21:54 - Grant Hutchison <granthutchison@blueyond ("Grant Hutchison <granthutchison@...>" <granthutchison@...>)
8328. Re: PLh
      ... excellent when will you do that & whats the skinny on the first edition
      Dec 12, 2002 @ 23:28 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8329. Re: PLh
      ... TV-tower, ... yes thats my kinda nlh thanx likewise for overlooking my ignorance of the terdams ... constructions would ... but isnt it all manmade down
      Dec 12, 2002 @ 23:44 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8330. Re: PLh
      ... My friend Ginge is just finishing off the highest points of all the countries in Africa, which has involved us in a lot of paper and on- the-ground
      Dec 13, 2002 @ 00:17 - Grant Hutchison <granthutchison@blueyond ("Grant Hutchison <granthutchison@...>" <granthutchison@...>)
8331. RE:Vogtlandbahn
      this is The map from CZ/D-Border with Town Cheb/Eger Udo -- +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging & more http://www.gmx.net +++ NEU: Mit GMX ins Internet. Rund um die Uhr
      Dec 13, 2002 @ 14:03 - udomet@gmx.de (udomet@gmx.de)
8332. RE:Vogtlandbahn
      Hi, here are pics about the Vogtlandbahn. 1. Atta 1. Sign to CZ Eger/Cheb Bundesgrenze (Federal boundary) 2. Schirnding Bavarian border railway station
      Dec 13, 2002 @ 18:56 - udomet@gmx.de (udomet@gmx.de)
8333. RE:Vogtlandbahn
      Hi, part 2 1. Atta Plesna/Fleissen CZ border railway station 2. Atta Bad Brambach Saxonian border railway station greetings Udo --
      Dec 13, 2002 @ 19:09 - udomet@gmx.de (udomet@gmx.de)
8334. Re: PLh
      ... most poignant & to think i was looking high & low for this so has much of the info changed since 1996 or is it mainly improved data that calls for a new
      Dec 13, 2002 @ 19:53 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8335. Re: PLh
      ... Improved information - the first ed. was always going to be something of a ranging shot, and it put me in contact with lots of people who were expert in
      Dec 14, 2002 @ 00:34 - Grant Hutchison <granthutchison@blueyond ("Grant Hutchison <granthutchison@...>" <granthutchison@...>)
8336. Re: PLh
      ... well that is maxi gratifying to see them so numerous multi thanx settling these must have required a lot of search & enjoy it even provoked me to ask
      Dec 14, 2002 @ 02:33 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8337. Re: PLh
      ... coming from this, Jan, do you know what s the altitude of the very top of Vilnius TV tower? something like 500 m? (construction height = 310 or smthg and
      Dec 14, 2002 @ 03:55 - Karolis B. <kbajoraz@yahoo.com> ("Karolis B. <kbajoraz@...>" <kbajoraz@...>)
8338. Re: PLh
      yes thats my kinda nlh thanx oh, well then here s one tight website about your type of lth for ya. http://www.ef.vu.lt/students/vis/vrml/ LT only, just click
      Dec 14, 2002 @ 04:48 - Karolis B. <kbajoraz@yahoo.com> ("Karolis B. <kbajoraz@...>" <kbajoraz@...>)
8339. Re: Graham/ferdinandea Island
      ... i don t neither. but was I a greatX4grandson of the guy who had claimed the island, i d probably be thinking otherwise. what else i was thinking, is that
      Dec 14, 2002 @ 07:01 - Karolis B. <kbajoraz@yahoo.com> ("Karolis B. <kbajoraz@...>" <kbajoraz@...>)
8340. Re: ca-nl
      ... ok, but has anyone found the actual act? Can Doug send an inquiry to the Parliament or something? Now, to add more spice to this, a room is actually not
      Dec 14, 2002 @ 07:19 - Karolis B. <kbajoraz@yahoo.com> ("Karolis B. <kbajoraz@...>" <kbajoraz@...>)
8341. Re: ca-nl
      ... since ... to ... oh, and uh, Dutch guys, can you dig out the actual throne inheritance law?
      Dec 14, 2002 @ 07:20 - Karolis B. <kbajoraz@yahoo.com> ("Karolis B. <kbajoraz@...>" <kbajoraz@...>)
8342. SPM, coastal boundaries
      ... wouldn t the waters off of dry Newfoundland land be Newfoundland waters? :) but anyway, if the border actually follows the coastline, wouldn t it be a
      Dec 14, 2002 @ 08:03 - asdff sssdfddt (asdff sssdfddt <kbajoraz@yahoo.com>)
8343. Re: SPM, coastal boundaries
      ... us at ... Newfoundland waters? :) not at all the territory of canadian provinces & federal territories ends at the low tide line or rather at the baselines
      Dec 14, 2002 @ 13:25 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8344. Re: PLh
      ... ... extremity ... peculiar ... objecting to ... bounds ... in ... skyscraper in ... compiling ... very ... height = ... know ... way,that s
      Dec 14, 2002 @ 15:20 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8345. Re: PLh
      ... Well, I ve been taking the water surface as limiting the lowest point, which is pretty standard practice - otherwise the lowest point in the USA would be
      Dec 14, 2002 @ 15:58 - Grant Hutchison <granthutchison@blueyond ("Grant Hutchison <granthutchison@...>" <granthutchison@...>)
8346. Re: [BoundaryPoint] SPM, coastal boundaries
      It s close to the tripoint with Poland. Is the place easy accesable? Jesper ... From: asdff sssdfddt To: boundarypoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December
      Dec 14, 2002 @ 16:21 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8347. Re: PLh
      ... http://www.law.fsu.edu/library/collection/LimitsinSeas/index.php is the access point for all the ibs refs & it is a mother lode of hard boundary data both
      Dec 14, 2002 @ 16:43 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8348. Border AU-DE Müselbach (Mueselbach)
      Hi, just found this nearly pene-enclave between Austria and Germany, close to Lindau / Lake Constance. does anyone know the story? map 1 is from the
      Dec 14, 2002 @ 17:45 - Chris Schulz ("Chris Schulz" <wertkauf@gmx.net>)
8349. Re: PLh
      ... Thanks. Looks a solid. My confidence would be unmodified by doubt if only they hadn t got the height of Montecristo wrong by a factor of two! The
      Dec 14, 2002 @ 17:57 - Grant Hutchison <granthutchison@blueyond ("Grant Hutchison <granthutchison@...>" <granthutchison@...>)
8350. cnmnruw sighted was Re: PLh
      & thanx to your tavanbogd clue voila the china mongolia russia west tripoint class d or e since we dont know where on the mountain it is
      Dec 14, 2002 @ 19:16 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8351. Re: SPM, coastal boundaries
      ... i meant international boundary though...
      Dec 14, 2002 @ 19:57 - Karolis B. <kbajoraz@yahoo.com> ("Karolis B. <kbajoraz@...>" <kbajoraz@...>)
8352. Re: SPM, coastal boundaries
      ... umm, kind of. i mean its much more accessible than the tripoint from LT side. I would think that GBBE might visit it. Also because 10 m form that place are
      Dec 14, 2002 @ 20:07 - Karolis B. <kbajoraz@yahoo.com> ("Karolis B. <kbajoraz@...>" <kbajoraz@...>)
8353. Re: SPM, coastal boundaries
      ... oh in that case the british sovereign bases on cyprus end at the low tide line too but i agree such cases are unusual
      Dec 14, 2002 @ 20:30 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8354. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: SPM, coastal boundaries
      From DEDK Jesper ... From: acroorca2002 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 9:30 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint]
      Dec 14, 2002 @ 23:11 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
8355. Re: SPM, coastal boundaries
      noncoastal or freshwater shoreline boundaries tho uncommon arent so rare as coastal ones malawi tanzania on lake nyasa is a large scale example also many
      Dec 15, 2002 @ 04:09 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8356. Re: SPM, coastal boundaries
      ... and karolis thinks that he wants to compile a list of such. 1) tanzania/malawi 2) iles verdes 3) lake Vistytis LTRU 4) DE/DK lake ...
      Dec 15, 2002 @ 08:27 - Karolis B. <kbajoraz@yahoo.com> ("Karolis B. <kbajoraz@...>" <kbajoraz@...>)
8357. Re: SPM, coastal boundaries
      yikes but does he realize what coastal means so far the coastal boundaries list appears to include only cyuk for sure if indeed my info is correct & maybe cafr
      Dec 15, 2002 @ 14:12 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8358. DE/NL northernmost bordermarker
      On 14 december I visited the northernmost and only maritime bordermarker along the DE/NL border in the Dollard estuary, walking over the icefloor of the sea.
      Dec 15, 2002 @ 15:49 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
8359. cafr
      Hi! There is now a map and the 1974 agreement on cafr available on the webpage of the Florida State Law School: Map here:
      Dec 15, 2002 @ 17:07 - anton_zeilinger <anton_zeilinger@hotmail ("anton_zeilinger <anton_zeilinger@...>" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
8360. Re: SPM, coastal boundaries
      Hi! Doesn t the border between Australia and Papua-New Guinea along the New Guinea coast line? There are some islands right of the coast of Papua New Guinea
      Dec 15, 2002 @ 17:28 - anton_zeilinger <anton_zeilinger@hotmail ("anton_zeilinger <anton_zeilinger@...>" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
8361. Re: SPM, coastal boundaries
      nice idea & try but http://www.dfat.gov.au/geo/torres_strait/map.html seems to disqualify it as a strictly coastal boundary & another thing occurs to me even
      Dec 15, 2002 @ 19:47 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8362. Re: cafr
      wish i could see this map can anyone describe or retransmit the pertinent area ... on the ... http://www.law.fsu.edu/library/collection/LimitsinSeas/maps/ls57
      Dec 15, 2002 @ 19:53 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8363. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: SPM, coastal boundaries
      Border marker 41a from DEDK lake Nyhus Sø. As you can see the lake left the border. But the borderland is still very wet (just ask Peter H, he can tell the
      Dec 15, 2002 @ 19:54 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
8364. Re: [BoundaryPoint] SPM, coastal boundaries
      This map from maps.lt indicate something else... Comments? Jesper ... From: asdff sssdfddt To: boundarypoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002
      Dec 15, 2002 @ 20:21 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
8365. Re: SPM, coastal boundaries
      ... along the shore across the lake less or more give or take more disturbing to me is the fact that i cant confirm the cyuk coastal boundary now you probably
      Dec 15, 2002 @ 21:12 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8366. Re: cafr
      Hello! I have now posted the map in the Photo section of BP. Hope you can see it now! Apparently, two of the turning points (a.k.a. virtual border markers)
      Dec 15, 2002 @ 22:33 - anton_zeilinger <anton_zeilinger@hotmail ("anton_zeilinger <anton_zeilinger@...>" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
8367. Re: cafr
      hello & thanx anton maybe i should say hello more often too but i dont imagine us actually leaving & returning i am glad to see you agreeing with my first
      Dec 16, 2002 @ 00:15 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8368. Re: coastal boundaries
      ... yes. the map shows the Lithuanian-Russian border. However untill Russia ratifies the treaty no such thing as Lithuanian Russian border exists. So currently
      Dec 16, 2002 @ 05:56 - Karolis B. <kbajoraz@yahoo.com> ("Karolis B. <kbajoraz@...>" <kbajoraz@...>)
8369. Re: cafr
      Hi! ... YES! I think that s the solution! Great! As you say, only the surrounding water is divided by the boundary whereas when it crosses land, it becomes
      Dec 16, 2002 @ 09:37 - anton_zeilinger <anton_zeilinger@hotmail ("anton_zeilinger <anton_zeilinger@...>" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
8370. Re: cafr
      ... crosses ... Yes, that must be it, I agree. The straight line across land is then reduced to be merely auxiliary for the straight line across water (i.e.
      Dec 16, 2002 @ 11:13 - Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com> ("Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>" <smaardijk@...>)
8371. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: cafr
      Still, what remains here is the fact that the turning point is on the coastline (at low tide) of an islet. Why would such a point have been chosen, and not,
      Dec 16, 2002 @ 11:31 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
8372. Re: cafr
      hi anton peter &al oh what fun it is to be with you here greetings m ... points ... of ... it ... divided, ... then ... like ... to ... difficulties ...
      Dec 16, 2002 @ 15:40 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8373. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ca-nl
      I can ring the Prime Minister and ask! I will check around... Maybe Harry can contact some nice Dutch royal historians in the Netherlands -- they might know
      Dec 16, 2002 @ 15:46 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
8374. Re: Border AU-DE Müselbach (Mueselbach)
      Greetings, I drove through this area in the late 1980s to see what it was all about, back when I lived in Germany. It is not a pene-exclave, just a quirk in
      Dec 16, 2002 @ 15:59 - L. A. Nadybal <lnadybal@comcast.net> ("L. A. Nadybal <lnadybal@...>" <lnadybal@...>)
8375. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: SPM, coastal boundaries
      What an unusual border marker! Is that a little hat someone has placed upon it? Doug ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday,
      Dec 16, 2002 @ 16:02 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
8376. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: cafr
      The topo maps should be here this week. I ve still not heard from the IBC -- though they may not have any info about the border. Perhaps the Coast Guard
      Dec 16, 2002 @ 16:33 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
8377. Re: cafr
      ... the ... been ... point? In ... They could ... when it ... the idea ... become a ... the ... or ... doubt over ... i follow & agree with all the above
      Dec 16, 2002 @ 16:53 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8378. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: SPM, coastal boundaries
      It s some of the wooden markers between DEDK. A stone would be too heavy and you will sink. A person (like Peter Hering) can also sink, so wearing rubber boots
      Dec 16, 2002 @ 19:19 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8379. Re: SPM, coastal boundaries
      yesterday ... constitution ... confirmations ... today i found the text confirming that the supposed cygb coastal boundary reported here by someone years ago &
      Dec 16, 2002 @ 20:21 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8380. Re: Enclaves
      from message 2158 ... Base ... area ... maps ... the ... reports ... happened to the ... powerstation, divided ... enclave, ... and land. aha eureka & yoicks
      Dec 16, 2002 @ 21:27 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8381. Re: Enclaves
      & it looks like the map needed for confirming the coastal boundary may be found at this expired link in message 2155 so i wish grant or someone would kindly
      Dec 16, 2002 @ 21:42 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8382. Re: Enclaves
      ... It was always slightly blurred. Attached is a better image that I m sure has been previously posted to BoundaryPoint, but it takes less time to post it
      Dec 16, 2002 @ 22:06 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@blueyonder.co.uk>)
8383. Re: Enclaves
      absolutely its a winner the winner thanx ... I m sure has ... to post it ... you aint kiddin it took me weeks to find even this
      Dec 16, 2002 @ 22:26 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8384. world class coastal boundary roundup
      besides the cygb coastal boundary just confirmed by grant & the weird cafr coastal boundary also just contemplated there is in addition the esfr condo coastal
      Dec 17, 2002 @ 06:36 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8385. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Border AU-DE Müselbach (Mu eselbach)
      Hi, thank you for the information, regards, chris ... From: To: Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 4:59 PM
      Dec 17, 2002 @ 09:52 - Chris Schulz ("Chris Schulz" <wertkauf@...>)
8386. Re: world class coastal boundary roundup
      ... in morning light all such subantarctic islands do prove to be stateless & so we have only yet another confirmed bust here but we do at least get to see our
      Dec 17, 2002 @ 14:08 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8387. AT Salient at Mueselbach
      Greetings, friends, I have updated information on the highly interesting Austrian salient at Mueselbach. Please find here a large scale map of the area:
      Dec 17, 2002 @ 14:12 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
8388. Re: AT Salient at Mueselbach
      jolly good proruption there mats i like the front row seat & big screen effect too
      Dec 17, 2002 @ 16:05 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8389. Malaysia gets disputed islands
      http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/2583457.stm
      Dec 17, 2002 @ 16:09 - timothykiser <timothykiser@hotmail.com> ("timothykiser <timothykiser@...>" <timothykiser@...>)
8390. Re: world class coastal boundary roundup
      ... Been there, done that. It s more believable if you know that the water and sand are heated by volcanic activity - you have to be careful not to boil a foot
      Dec 17, 2002 @ 22:08 - Grant Hutchison <granthutchison@blueyond ("Grant Hutchison <granthutchison@...>" <granthutchison@...>)
8391. Curonian Lagoon
      why thank you, Mike, for all that seemingly complete research done on my behalf! Coastal Border List having been done so fast, I suppose I will now move on to
      Dec 17, 2002 @ 22:28 - asdff sssdfddt (asdff sssdfddt <kbajoraz@yahoo.com>)
8392. Re: AT Salient at Mueselbach
      WELL, that was so excellently prepared that only a non-border question remains :) How come the Austrian eagle holds a hammer and a sickle???
      Dec 17, 2002 @ 22:42 - Karolis B. <kbajoraz@yahoo.com> ("Karolis B. <kbajoraz@...>" <kbajoraz@...>)
8393. Re: Curonian Lagoon
      glad you like it too karolis & i think you will also succeed in making a nice little collection before finally realizing the immensity of your chosen topic for
      Dec 18, 2002 @ 01:19 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8394. Re: world class coastal boundary roundup
      mr president fantastic for i swear i had a feeling youd have to have been there right on the cutting edge of everyones land ... place ... amazing
      Dec 18, 2002 @ 01:29 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8395. the frnl coastal boundary candidate
      ... others for example you can see the area in question near the east end of the island along the north shore of the little gulf called oyster pond but this
      Dec 18, 2002 @ 05:16 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8396. Karolis' Home Page
      Karolis, You have an enormous capacity - why don t you create your own homepage? I think it would be very interesting to everyone! Jan ... Outgoing mail is
      Dec 18, 2002 @ 07:08 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
8397. Re: AT Salient at Mueselbach
      Hi, this has hictoric reasons, of course. As we all know, the hammer is a symbol for workers, the sickle for the farmers. So in 1918, when Austria became a
      Dec 18, 2002 @ 10:18 - anton_zeilinger <anton_zeilinger@hotmail ("anton_zeilinger <anton_zeilinger@...>" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
8398. [BoundaryPoint] Re: AT Salient at Mueselbach
      ... Thank you for the interesting historic insight! It s good to know that there is still at least one Arbeiter- und Bauernstaat (Btw, I could name one or
      Dec 18, 2002 @ 11:37 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
8399. Re: the frnl coastal boundary candidate
      ... said ... http://www.captainolivers.com/us/bridge.html (as reported in msg. 4990). It s not much, but does it show the boundary? Peter S.
      Dec 18, 2002 @ 16:25 - Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com> ("Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>" <smaardijk@...>)
8400. Re: the frnl coastal boundary candidate
      ... msg. ... it does if locals know since who is more local than the goodly captain himself & it doesnt if the best looking known map is right quite
      Dec 18, 2002 @ 17:59 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8401. Re: the frnl coastal boundary candidate
      ... a summary of what i have been able to discover & suppose the original partition of st martin was agreed upon in 1648 when france got the lions share of the
      Dec 19, 2002 @ 00:28 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8402. 15 islands dumped by usa illegally
      http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=2000/5/7/153932
      Dec 19, 2002 @ 03:26 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8403. Re: 15 islands dumped by usa illegally
      ... hah! - no congressional consent. wasn t it the Congress that ratified the treaty? if you sign and ratify a border treaty you pretty much established a
      Dec 19, 2002 @ 03:51 - Karolis B. <kbajoraz@yahoo.com> ("Karolis B. <kbajoraz@...>" <kbajoraz@...>)
8404. Re: 15 islands dumped by usa illegally
      ... ... ratified ... i think so but the russian legislature didnt so baker & shevardnadze cut a secret deal to ratify it extralegally i dont know
      Dec 19, 2002 @ 04:41 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8405. Happy Whatever You Celebrate!!
      Doug Murray Productions / Border Films CBC Infomatrix / CBC POV Sports Vancouver BC Canada +1-604-728-1407 Best Vancouver excuse for being late for work: A
      Dec 19, 2002 @ 19:17 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
8406. Re: 15 islands dumped by usa illegally
      well, the Americans ratified it legally in any case. The question then remains has Russia/USSR reatified the treaty legally. If so, then the border is
      Dec 19, 2002 @ 23:57 - Karolis B. <kbajoraz@yahoo.com> ("Karolis B. <kbajoraz@...>" <kbajoraz@...>)
8407. Re: 15 islands dumped by usa illegally
      ... yes i believe so but a treaty must be mutually & completely ratified before it can take any effect it cant become binding on one party before it becomes
      Dec 20, 2002 @ 02:08 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8408. Re: Happy Whatever You Celebrate!!
      thank you & a zestful estival festival for all those of the upside down persuasion
      Dec 20, 2002 @ 02:15 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8409. LTRU
      LTRU has been preliminarily introduced in Duma and will be on the agenda most likely in May 2003. Ouch GBBE! If they decide on it like in June or something,
      Dec 20, 2002 @ 07:46 - Karolis B. <kbajoraz@yahoo.com> ("Karolis B. <kbajoraz@...>" <kbajoraz@...>)
8410. RE: [BoundaryPoint] LTRU
      Carlos, Don t worry too much! Let s hope our helper, Vladimir Zhirinovskiy, Duma MP & Co. will help us here... ;-) Juan http://home.no.net/enklaver ... From:
      Dec 20, 2002 @ 08:01 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
8411. Re: 15 islands dumped by usa illegally
      ... Right. It should be kept in mind that the main reason the Duma hasn t ratified it (yet?) is the feeling that they got less than they deserved in the Bering
      Dec 20, 2002 @ 08:54 - Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com> ("Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>" <smaardijk@...>)
8412. Re: LTRU
      ... Duma MP ... o yea! We can trust Valodya, all right! ;))) We should write him a letter too, just so he knows his efforts are appreciated!
      Dec 20, 2002 @ 09:06 - Karolis B. <kbajoraz@yahoo.com> ("Karolis B. <kbajoraz@...>" <kbajoraz@...>)
8413. Re: Home Pages
      BTW, Jan, when s the update to your page??? Vistytis and points of interest and...? oh, and do you happen to know the lowest point in LT?? I guess I might do a
      Dec 20, 2002 @ 09:15 - Karolis B. <kbajoraz@yahoo.com> ("Karolis B. <kbajoraz@...>" <kbajoraz@...>)
8414. Re: 15 islands dumped by usa illegally
      The Alaskan side of the argument at http://touchngo.com/sp/html/sp-4156.htm Peter S.
      Dec 20, 2002 @ 09:28 - Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com> ("Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>" <smaardijk@...>)
8415. Re: 15 islands dumped by usa illegally
      US Senate ratification of the 1990 maritime boundary treaty: http://www.senate.gov/~rpc/rva/1021/1021192.htm Peter S.
      Dec 20, 2002 @ 09:39 - Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com> ("Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>" <smaardijk@...>)
8416. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Home Pages
      hi, ... ...but always interested readers! bye, chris
      Dec 20, 2002 @ 11:40 - Chris Schulz ("Chris Schulz" <wertkauf@...>)
8417. Ober-Laudenbach Enclaves Hessen-Baden-Württemberg
      Hi, i found information about Oberlaudenbach. http://www.hessennet.de/heppenheim/Was_Wann_Wo/Ortsteile/Ob-Laudenbach.htm Summary: As an settlement of 9 (or 11)
      Dec 20, 2002 @ 12:51 - Chris Schulz ("Chris Schulz" <wertkauf@gmx.net>)
8418. Re: Ober-Laudenbach Enclaves Hessen-Baden-Württemberg
      Thanks, Chris, for this one! I knew that there was an enclave, but I have never been able to find it on a map. But I never would have thought that it would be
      Dec 20, 2002 @ 13:05 - Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com> ("Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>" <smaardijk@...>)
8419. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 15 islands dumped by usa illegally
      ... Another question I haven t seen answered is why the US would wish to voluntarily give up sovereignty of territory, especially in these days of EEZs etc..?
      Dec 20, 2002 @ 14:16 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
8420. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Home Pages
      So I got an independent confirmation for my count on the Oberlaudenbach area. YAY! By the way, Karolis, I get e-mails every month or so from random people who
      Dec 20, 2002 @ 15:43 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
8421. Re: 15 islands dumped by usa illegally
      ... tho ... wish to ... days of ... it appears from the preliminary indications we do have that the usa gained or would have gained enormously from the
      Dec 20, 2002 @ 18:06 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8422. Re: Ober-Laudenbach Enclaves Hessen-Baden-Württemberg
      peter ... it looks like 3 claves including a counterclave or am i not seeing straight the boundaries around there sure have a funny habit of widening &
      Dec 20, 2002 @ 23:08 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8423. Re: [BoundaryPoint] DE/NL northernmost bordermarker
      Photos are online now. ... of
      Dec 21, 2002 @ 00:06 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
8424. Re: DE/NL northernmost bordermarker
      nice going harry & it looks like the monument is tilted off center enough so that standing in its lee really does produce a class a visit congrats much better
      Dec 21, 2002 @ 00:37 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8425. Re: DE/NL northernmost bordermarker
      whoops excuse me on second thought i think you wouldve had to stand on the other side the open side unless the base was afloat & the top stationary
      Dec 21, 2002 @ 00:41 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8426. Re: DE/NL northernmost bordermarker
      whoops again for it is only a monumented point not a multipoint per se so the multipointing class scale isnt really relevant ... that ... over
      Dec 21, 2002 @ 00:44 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8427. Re: LTRU
      what a couple of wild & crazy guys & i can tell you getting a home page wont make a dent they did that for me too but bp remains my only real page so welcome
      Dec 21, 2002 @ 01:14 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8428. Re: Home Pages
      i celebrate your success too have you completed a full clavoscopy of secondary germany yet i know you already have the tertiary usa inventory pretty tight
      Dec 21, 2002 @ 01:42 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8429. Re: Ober-Laudenbach Enclaves Hessen-Baden-Württemberg
      ... hi michael, i posted both maps, with and without my marks, to give all of you the chance to check out, how things are. but i saw just too enclaves and a
      Dec 21, 2002 @ 18:45 - max23568 <max23568@yahoo.de> ("max23568 <max23568@...>" <max23568@...>)
8430. Re: Ober-Laudenbach Enclaves Hessen-Baden-Württemberg
      ... you the ... enclaves and ... hi chris we may just be counting the same 3 things in 2 different ways in your marked map i see a relatively big sprawling
      Dec 21, 2002 @ 20:18 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8431. solstice
      yall come back now
      Dec 22, 2002 @ 01:11 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8432. demarcation footage
      LTRU protective zone (200 meters inwards) on Curonian Lagoon ice gets demarcated by LT borderguards. (bouys mark it in summer, but this is the first time they
      Dec 22, 2002 @ 06:25 - Karolis B. <kbajoraz@yahoo.com> ("Karolis B. <kbajoraz@...>" <kbajoraz@...>)
8433. Re: demarcation footage
      carlos rest easy it is not that no one is responding to lithuania again more likely it is just that everyone is off partying too hard or hibernating but your
      Dec 22, 2002 @ 15:26 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8434. more border clowns
      http://www.kfmb.com/topstory12731.html
      Dec 22, 2002 @ 19:45 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8435. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Dubki
      Brendan, Did you invest in the Valga-Valka (EELV) map at the same time? Jesper ... From: Brendan Whyte To:
      Dec 22, 2002 @ 20:09 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8436. santa rejected at caus
      http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/Northeast/12/22/offbeat.surfing.santa _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam
      Dec 22, 2002 @ 23:42 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
8437. more on the phantom quad point
      Referring to attached Fig 28 from bus&ss, note that it shows the south boundary of KS at 36d 30 N. This is an obvious error since as outlined below Kansas as a
      Dec 23, 2002 @ 03:43 - jparsell ("jparsell" <jparsell@northnet.org>)
8438. Re: [BoundaryPoint] santa rejected at caus
      santa rejected at c(l)aus ... From: m donner To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 12:42 AM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] santa rejected
      Dec 23, 2002 @ 05:53 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8439. Page Updates
      My GeoSite pages are again updated, especially those concerning LTPLRU and Lithuania s Vistytis border area. Merry Christmas to everybody! Jan S. Krogh
      Dec 23, 2002 @ 19:03 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
8440. Re: more on the phantom quad point
      jack major thanx for this detailed & exacting review & confirmation i have previously written & posted a much longer reply with a pic all which however has
      Dec 23, 2002 @ 22:10 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8441. Re: santa rejected at caus
      ... ho ho ho & i figured mxus for xmus would be a hard act to follow
      Dec 23, 2002 @ 22:19 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8442. From Peter - Christmas Time
      Peter has sent you a free eCard from Webshots.com! You may pick it up at the following address: http://cards.webshots.com/c42531131xyjszh Click on the link
      Dec 24, 2002 @ 04:38 - hering@mail.dk (hering@...)
8443. Re: more border clowns
      ... no trabaja!
      Dec 24, 2002 @ 04:46 - Karolis B. <kbajoraz@yahoo.com> ("Karolis B. <kbajoraz@...>" <kbajoraz@...>)
8444. Re: more border clowns
      ... ... thats funny it must have expired but i can report the highlights were unusual busts one involved a mobile mechanical ramp for driving
      Dec 24, 2002 @ 05:36 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8445. phantom megapoint 2nd try
      since the missing message still hasnt landed i will at least try to reattach the lost pic here showing the present armook monument which occupies the alleged
      Dec 24, 2002 @ 20:06 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@hotmail.com>)
8446. requiem to a busted ghost
      http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/7662/1890map.html shows in exquisite detail how the indian territory south of kansas eventually got filled in by indians &
      Dec 25, 2002 @ 21:11 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
8447. Perfect BP Christmas card!!!
      http://www.delfi.lt/news/daily/picoftheday/article.php?id=1714093 cho cho cho, linksmø ðventø Kalëdø, kalëdø senis jums atneðë sienos þenklà!!! ho
      Dec 25, 2002 @ 23:35 - Karolis B. <kbajoraz@yahoo.com> ("Karolis B. <kbajoraz@...>" <kbajoraz@...>)
8448. RE: [BoundaryPoint] requiem to a busted ghost
      Yes, the reason there were no surveys on 36d 30 , which was my delemma, was as you state below, that line was completely forgotten east of the panhandle. Thank
      Dec 26, 2002 @ 02:44 - jparsell ("jparsell" <jparsell@...>)
8449. Re: requiem to a busted ghost
      jack ... being no older than ... the stone are ... Topozone within a fraction ... exactly on the ... original ... ahh very interesting you & albert white may
      Dec 26, 2002 @ 04:56 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8450. armook clarification
      ok jack i think i can streamline the picture now first i have provisionally concluded your 1821 & my 1823 survey & monument are just 2 different descriptions
      Dec 26, 2002 @ 18:14 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8451. Kyrgyzstan plans to build by-pass highways around enclaves in Batken
      By-pass highways would be built around all enclaves in the territory of the Batken oblast, President Askar Akaev said during the live air. According to the
      Dec 27, 2002 @ 15:09 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
8452. Interesting book for boundarypointers!
      Boundaries: The Making of France and Spain in the Pyrenees ,Peter Sahins, University of California Press, 1991. Catalan translation: Fronteres i identitats:
      Dec 27, 2002 @ 17:40 - quadernet <quadernet@yahoo.com> ("quadernet <quadernet@...>" <quadernet@...>)
8453. another guess on the embedded stone
      another foot of fresh glace atop cream hill here in the appellation mountains to the tune of live airs from claves of kyrgyzstan & the cerdanya & i also
      Dec 27, 2002 @ 18:22 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8454. ellicott mound found
      at last an example has been found of the elusive earthen mounds erected in 1799 by andrew ellicott as mile markers from the mississippi to the chattahoochee
      Dec 28, 2002 @ 23:07 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8455. Re: ellicott mound found
      I wonder if anyonw at the ASPLS can tell us whether the yellow rock in the ALGATN pincushion is the orginal (1818?) marker. BJB
      Dec 29, 2002 @ 00:40 - bjbutlerus <bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com> ("bjbutlerus <bjbutler@...>" <bjbutler@...>)
8456. Re: ellicott mound found
      yeah awesome or whether alflga has a marker in the bank of the chattahoochee like the mud turtle obeliskoid manhvt has deposited in the bank of the connecticut
      Dec 29, 2002 @ 01:24 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8457. renewed salutes to algatn
      brian your mentioning algatn inspires me to try to show a punctilious view of it hopefully attached & visible on the nearest face of the yellowed rock as an
      Dec 29, 2002 @ 03:11 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@hotmail.com>)
8458. Borderpic EsFr + Happy New Year!
      Dear BP mates, attached a picture from the Easternmost crossing point between France and Spain - at the Mediterr.! HAPPY NEW YEAR to all of you! Peter H. de
      Dec 29, 2002 @ 08:30 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.dk>)
8459. Paris-Dakar near a tripoint
      see: http://www.dakar.com/2003/presentationus/r2_parcours_02.html#libye Stage 8. It seems a grat aproximation to the Algerian/Lybian/Niger tripoint. Is there
      Dec 29, 2002 @ 16:10 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
8460. Re: Paris-Dakar near a tripoint
      ... http://www.dakar.com/2003/presentationus/r2_parcours_02.html #libye ... Algerian/Lybian/Niger ... if i recall correctly from circa message 8141 i found
      Dec 29, 2002 @ 17:42 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8461. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Paris-Dakar near a tripoint
      This is the info at Borderbase: http://www.nicolette.dk/borderbase/tripoint.php?c1=3&c2=84&c3=104&orientation= Jesper ... From: acroorca2002
      Dec 29, 2002 @ 17:48 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8462. yikes alflga monumented nearly 3 years ago etc
      details on the right side of page 3 of http://www.hcc-al-ga.org/newsletters/spring2000.pdf in answer to my recently wondering to brian if this mr gregory spies
      Dec 29, 2002 @ 18:33 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
8463. Catalan town divided by Spain and France
      3 attached pics from El Portús (Le Perthus, in french) from http://perso.wanadoo.fr/catal66/vis_virt_po/leperthus.htm
      Dec 29, 2002 @ 19:36 - quadernet (quadernet <quadernet@yahoo.com>)
8464. Page Updates
      My GeoSite pages are again updated, especially those concerning enclaves and exclaves. Happy New Year to everybody! Jan S. Krogh http://home.no.net/enklaver
      Dec 29, 2002 @ 19:48 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
8465. Liechtenstein enclaves second level
      Hi, after reading arifs site about local enclaves i tried to find a map about liechtenstein. here is, what i found: http://www.geohive.com/cd/ls.php the link
      Dec 29, 2002 @ 19:51 - Chris Schulz ("Chris Schulz" <wertkauf@...>)
8466. Lake of the woods
      hi, did we talk about Lake of the woods before? heres a link to it. http://www.8ung.at/enklaven/frames/Lake-of-the-woods.htm bye, chris
      Dec 29, 2002 @ 20:02 - Chris Schulz ("Chris Schulz" <wertkauf@...>)
8467. Re: Lake of the woods
      ... Well, it s in German. But something about Minnesota and lake and exclave. From what I know there used to be a border lake with two water exclaves, which is
      Dec 29, 2002 @ 21:34 - Karolis B. <kbajoraz@yahoo.com> ("Karolis B. <kbajoraz@...>" <kbajoraz@...>)
8468. Re: Lake of the woods
      ... yes chris we have nice one too showing red lake indian reservation is actually just the largest of the several dozen claves of the greater red lake rez
      Dec 29, 2002 @ 21:49 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8469. Re: Liechtenstein enclaves second level
      ... about ... well heres a dilemma because both the map & arif appear to agree there are a total of 18 secondary claves in liechtenstein but they dont
      Dec 29, 2002 @ 21:53 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8470. Satellite of possible aftmuz and/or aftjuz
      http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/shuttle/sts-106/html/sts106-718-056.html Jesper
      Dec 29, 2002 @ 21:53 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8471. Satellite CHFRIT
      http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/shuttle/sts-68/html/sts068-243-076.html Jesper
      Dec 29, 2002 @ 22:21 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8472. Re: Satellite of possible aftmuz and/or aftjuz
      ... http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/shuttle/sts-106/html/st s106-718-056.html ... possibly double congrats a fair probability you may even have both
      Dec 29, 2002 @ 22:35 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8473. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Satellite of possible aftmuz and/or aftjuz
      Like this? http://www.yannl.com/~ced/photos/fun/mont_dolent/pages/img00004.htm Jesper ... From: acroorca2002 To:
      Dec 29, 2002 @ 22:56 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8474. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Satellite of possible aftmuz and/or aftjuz
      Like this? http://www.yannl.com/~ced/photos/fun/mont_dolent/pages/img00004.htm Jesper ... From: acroorca2002 To:
      Dec 29, 2002 @ 22:49 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8475. Re: Satellite of possible aftmuz and/or aftjuz
      yes thats more like it zooming directly from most distant class d to closest class c even a slight improvement on message 4014 the previous best & well worth a
      Dec 30, 2002 @ 02:41 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8476. phantom megapoint continued
      thanx jack for the wonderfully detailed & exacting message 8437 including perfect scans of figs 27 & 28 from bus&ss a multiple wish come true from our
      Dec 23, 2002 @ 16:45 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@hotmail.com>)
8477. Re: phantom megapoint continued
      whooops please disregard or at least enjoy the cosmic joke for this message was the lost reply to message 8437 as referred to in message 8440 & missing in the
      Dec 30, 2002 @ 13:27 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8478. border anomalie in zambia?
      http://solarcooking.org/images/scr/lilongwe.gif i saw this enclave-like funny thing, belonging to zambia, surrounded by malawi and mozambique regards, chris
      Dec 30, 2002 @ 15:31 - Chris Schulz ("Chris Schulz" <wertkauf@...>)
8479. Re: border anomalie in zambia?
      ... surrounded by ... The neck of land is only about 2km wide, but the territory *is* connected to the rest of Zambia. Grant
      Dec 30, 2002 @ 18:34 - Grant Hutchison <granthutchison@blueyond ("Grant Hutchison <granthutchison@...>" <granthutchison@...>)
8480. Re: border anomalie in zambia?
      yes & at the end of the funny thing actually lies mwmzzm a rare & curious proruption extremity tripoint ... surrounded by
      Dec 30, 2002 @ 18:36 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8481. CHEERS - HAPPY NEW YEAR
      Here s to a Happy Newyear for all of you. I found an appropriate drink to toast on a year of many healthy bordercrossings and -visits and a lot of tripointing
      Dec 30, 2002 @ 19:12 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@amsat.org>)
8482. gthnsv improvement possibly class a
      at last an expedition to montecristo aka trifinio the mountain peak tripoint of el salvador with guatemala & honduras
      Dec 31, 2002 @ 01:18 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
8483. Re: gthnsv improvement possibly class a
      michael: the plaque showed on the photo n. 17 seems to be the same placed behind Greco and Dino ,on the monument ( photo 13b- behind us, there is the
      Dec 31, 2002 @ 09:05 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
8484. Re: gthnsv improvement possibly class a
      yesss marcel youve done it again i must have missed that baby in the clouds looks like it may be a rather tall obelisk tho rising perhaps well beyond the top
      Dec 31, 2002 @ 14:10 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8485. farewell 2002 old pal
      & will we ever recover our balance but no matter heres 003 year of the tripoint
      Jan 01, 2003 @ 02:12 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8486. Borderous new 2003!
      Captain Nobelman Karolis Butkevicius ( :)) ) wishes you a happy bordericious New Year from LTPLRU. ... Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable.
      Jan 01, 2003 @ 03:11 - asdff sssdfddt (asdff sssdfddt <kbajoraz@yahoo.com>)
8487. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: border anomalie in zambia?
      This is odd There is nothing in my African road atlas. See scan. Jesper ... From: acroorca2002 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent:
      Jan 01, 2003 @ 14:56 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
8488. egsdly
      Not the summit of Uweinat, as per Gideon. http://www.swopnet.com/geo_mileshome/COS_Uweinat.html Uweinat Gallery: http://www.arkenu.de/uweinat_00.htm Salllite:
      Jan 01, 2003 @ 17:24 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8489. Happy New Year!
      Doug Murray Productions / Border Films CBC Infomatrix / CBC POV Sports Vancouver BC Canada +1-604-728-1407 Best Vancouver excuse for being late for work: A
      Jan 01, 2003 @ 19:08 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
8490. Re: egsdly
      great neighborhood tho neither brownlie nor any of the 3 relevant ibs numbers give any reason to believe eglysd has ever been formally marked so it may only be
      Jan 01, 2003 @ 19:17 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8491. Re: Happy New Year!
      ... nice production are you in belize yet & have you any news of bzgtmx or are you back in vancouver yet & have you any news of cafr
      Jan 01, 2003 @ 19:27 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8492. Re: border anomalie in zambia?
      that is an odd one but many maps often fudge over such small details multimap & national geographic at least do substantially confirm the data given by chris &
      Jan 01, 2003 @ 19:32 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8493. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Happy New Year!
      I am in Vancouver -- Belize on hold for a week or two. Logistics, mostly. No news on CAFR, however my topos are at the government map store -- and I will
      Jan 01, 2003 @ 19:33 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
8494. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Happy New Year!
      Cannot wait to hear the great news from the tp-champ Doug. Jesper ... From: Doug Murray To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003
      Jan 01, 2003 @ 19:34 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8495. Re: Happy New Year!
      doug may be our favorite & in a tie for bronze with you & harry at 19 tried by my unofficial count but i believe peter & rolf are now cochamps with 20 & in
      Jan 01, 2003 @ 20:07 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8496. Swedish exclave in Haparanda?
      Hello folks, I have discovered a Finnish tourist map which seems to confirm the Swedish tourist map we discussed last year, that there might exist a small
      Jan 01, 2003 @ 22:42 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
8497. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Swedish exclave in Haparanda?
      Correction: The exclave(s) are certainly NOT on the eastern part of the _main_ Tornio River, but east of the border of one its delta rivers. Jan ... Outgoing
      Jan 01, 2003 @ 22:54 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
8498. Re: Swedish exclave in Haparanda?
      ... confirm the Swedish ... small Swedish ... Haparanda. The ... Finnish territory. ... http://home.no.net/enklaver/borders/tornio_haparanda_map.htm ...
      Jan 02, 2003 @ 05:05 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8499. new rarity was Re: egsdly
      ... & while they are at it only 2 other world class tripoints have been found to fall precisely at integral degrees of both latitude & longitude in case you
      Jan 02, 2003 @ 05:13 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8500. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Swedish exclave in Haparanda?
      It s what I would call a pene enclave (practical enclave). Jesper ... From: Jan S. Krogh To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003
      Jan 02, 2003 @ 05:45 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8501. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Swedish exclave in Haparanda?
      Thanks for the comments! Of course they are on two international islands! Yesterday night I was tired, now it is morning and is SO clear... Let s call it pene
      Jan 02, 2003 @ 07:18 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
8502. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Swedish exclave in Haparanda?
      Btw - why not pene _exclave_ ? Jan ... From: Jesper Nielsen [mailto:jesniel@image.dk] Sent: 2. januar 2003 07:46 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re:
      Jan 02, 2003 @ 07:38 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
8503. khlath demarcations
      Here is a link about the khlath demarcations of the Emerald Triangle: http://scoop.bangkokpost.co.th/bkkpost/2002/mar2002/bp20020327/news/27Mar200
      Jan 02, 2003 @ 08:23 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
8504. Re: Swedish exclave in Haparanda?
      jan & jesper of course you can call things anything you want & pene simply means or used to mean nearly or almost or not quite in the original latin so
      Jan 02, 2003 @ 14:41 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8505. Re: khlath demarcations
      yikes it did seem too good to be true those land mines mightve made it much more exciting tho but wait i thought khlath was at a river junction so how could
      Jan 02, 2003 @ 14:51 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8506. [BoundaryPoint] Re: Liechtenstein enclaves second level
      Ok, I am not all-knowledgable, so I obviously look at the internet for maps and my counts of local enclaves come from that. The map I used for the
      Jan 02, 2003 @ 16:11 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
8507. Re: Liechtenstein enclaves second level
      ... good point for that is the cause & precondition of practically all tongues any straight boundary line crossing practically any shoreline quite a common
      Jan 02, 2003 @ 17:22 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8508. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Swedish exclave in Haparanda?
      For me there are official pene enclaves like Point Roberts, Jungholz, Klein Walsertal etc. Inhabited settlements only practically accesible through foreign
      Jan 02, 2003 @ 20:32 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
8509. adesfrw
      At last, found a pic from the tp, the top of the Medacorba peak: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/schusskeke/index.html?Variable=Medecourbe.html I hope Eef Berns will
      Jan 02, 2003 @ 21:05 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
8510. adesfrw: link precision
      If the link doesn t work correctly, click on the left treks pyreneens ,and then Le Medecourbe . Sorry, Marcel
      Jan 02, 2003 @ 21:10 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
8511. iqsytr class e
      http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/GulfWarPhotos/photos38.htm
      Jan 02, 2003 @ 21:40 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8512. Re: [BoundaryPoint] iqsytr class e
      http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/acstalks/acs-dsrt.htm ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 10:40 PM Subject:
      Jan 02, 2003 @ 21:59 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8513. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: border anomalie in zambia?
      Not really strange, a roadmap is primarily to show the roads, it is written for the motorist, not the border freak. It looks as if the salient misses (just)
      Jan 02, 2003 @ 22:07 - Bramwell Hayes (=?iso-8859-1?q?Bramwell=20Hayes?= <bramwellhayes@...>)
8514. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: border anomalie in zambia?
      Not really strange, a roadmap is primarily to show the roads, it is written for the motorist, not the border freak. It looks as if the salient misses (just)
      Jan 02, 2003 @ 22:18 - Bramwell Hayes (=?iso-8859-1?q?Bramwell=20Hayes?= <bramwellhayes@...>)
8515. CAFR - The latest
      It was to be a very exciting day here in soggy Vancouver. I gleefully headed downtown to the government map store to pick up the 1:50,000 topos of St. Pierre
      Jan 02, 2003 @ 23:06 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
8516. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Swedish exclave in Haparanda?
      There are no ferries to Point Roberts (surprisingly) -- but there is quite a large marina. As a lot of boats moored there are Canadian boats, there must be an
      Jan 02, 2003 @ 23:13 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
8517. Re: adesfrw
      wow marcel tiptop play & since the navigation was so challenging at that site however rewarding & well appropriate i would like to try to isolate the climactic
      Jan 03, 2003 @ 01:13 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8518. Re: iqsytr class e
      wonderful improvements on message 8234 even if we have technically retreated from class d to class e for we are obviously much closer now indeed i would guess
      Jan 03, 2003 @ 01:36 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8519. Re: Swedish exclave in Haparanda?
      has anybody considered what if the feral pigs were on an international golf course also dont worry about the maps or anything up there doug just think tropical
      Jan 03, 2003 @ 02:06 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8520. History
      http://home.gdbc.gov.bc.ca/gsr/SurveyHistory/images/statn04.jpg
      Jan 03, 2003 @ 06:39 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8521. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Swedish exclave in Haparanda? -> Enclaves/exclave classes
      Mike, This sounds very interesting! I agree that if somebody should create enclave/exclave definitions it should be the members of BP! E.g. we could name the
      Jan 03, 2003 @ 08:42 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
8522. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Swedish exclave in Haparanda?
      Mike, The second island is the main island, Suensaari which is artificially connected with mainland Sweden and with a number of bridges. Jan ... From:
      Jan 03, 2003 @ 09:03 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
8523. Re: Enclaves/exclave classes
      jan great idea & i would be glad to attend such a try at least as a kibitzer btw i think rolfs definitions are impeccable as far as they go it is just that the
      Jan 03, 2003 @ 17:13 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8524. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Enclaves/exclave classes
      Mike, Thanks for supporting the idea. I fell the times is here to go a step further. btw i think rolfs definitions are impeccable as far as they go Of course I
      Jan 03, 2003 @ 17:35 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
8525. [BoundaryPoint] Re: Enclaves/exclave classes
      You know what, I have given up calling all non-true-enclave situations as enclaves, as the different kinds of land area would confusingly all be called some
      Jan 03, 2003 @ 18:23 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
8526. atchit
      www.seilschaft.it/skitour_piz_lat.htm
      Jan 03, 2003 @ 21:04 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8527. CAUS: Picture of boundary marker 162B
      http://www.photo.net/photo/pcd1660/border-cut-down-trees-41 Doug Murray Productions / Border Films CBC Infomatrix / CBC POV Sports Vancouver BC Canada
      Jan 03, 2003 @ 23:54 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
8528. Re: atchit
      ... bravo maestro you must be the champion of virtual trypointing tho i confess i have lost all count & track of our collection & here is not only the monument
      Jan 04, 2003 @ 02:24 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8529. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: eglysd
      I have mailed the guy from the Uweinat site, and he is very friendly. Along a photo of EGSD, which will end up on Borderbase, he a supplied a photo of the
      Jan 04, 2003 @ 15:02 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
8530. Re: eglysd
      yesss per another spectacular play & view but i wonder if you could continue to question the photographer about it because i checked the photo against the topo
      Jan 04, 2003 @ 18:18 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8531. mzzmzw class d
      the top 2 pix in http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Trails/8773/sights.html evidently show the village of luangwa zambia formerly feira on the left bank of the
      Jan 05, 2003 @ 02:29 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
8532. bwzazw class d
      http://sunsite.wits.ac.za/env/archae.htm claims to show the confluence of the shashe & limpopo rivers tho one has to squint &or trust to believe it if the
      Jan 05, 2003 @ 03:51 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
8533. more on AR-MO-OK
      Michael, I first visited this tri-point June 21,1991. See attached picture of Joyce Parsell and Clark Hall taken then. On Sept. 29, 2000 Joyce and I were
      Jan 05, 2003 @ 04:20 - jparsell ("jparsell" <jparsell@northnet.org>)
8534. border shifts thru built-up area
      hello, I was wondering... Did we ever discuss towns/villages that used to be divided by the border, but nowadays are not (anymore)? I m thinking about the
      Jan 05, 2003 @ 08:26 - kahbeh2000 <kahbeh@hotmail.com> ("kahbeh2000 <kahbeh@...>" <kahbeh@...>)
8535. Re: more on AR-MO-OK
      thanx jack great puzzle & of course i dont know the complete solution but heres what i think may have happened 1823 original large stone post set 319 feet
      Jan 05, 2003 @ 13:39 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8536. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: atchit
      But you still get the tp marker in Wolfgang s message http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/1170 Jesper ... From: acroorca2002
      Jan 05, 2003 @ 14:48 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8537. Re: atchit
      ... really how does it look there i cant see it here does it appear completely the same
      Jan 05, 2003 @ 15:19 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8538. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: atchit
      http://home.worldonline.dk/jesniel/border/borderpointemail_files/image016.gif ... From: acroorca2002 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent:
      Oct 05, 2002 @ 15:48 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8539. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Enclaves/exclave classes
      ... Such a presumption would cause real problems for Denmark as Greenland is many times the size of the homeland ! Are there any more examples where an
      Jan 05, 2003 @ 16:55 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
8540. Re: atchit
      wow thanx i do recall this now it seems to be the very trijunction diagram with the tripoint itself at close range if so then it must be situated horizontally
      Jan 05, 2003 @ 17:47 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8541. Re: Enclaves/exclave classes
      ... & the big ... as Greenland is ... examples where an ... main part? no other world class examples at this time so far as i know tho i believe we saw a few
      Jan 05, 2003 @ 17:57 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8542. Re: Enclaves/exclave classes
      & there must be many cases like oahu & hawaii ... exclaves ... Denmark
      Jan 05, 2003 @ 18:00 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8543. Re: border shifts thru built-up area
      well i dont think we have discussed this exactly but i would like to nominate berlin & fort smith for starters & i think it will be a long & happy list ... the
      Jan 05, 2003 @ 18:09 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8544. Re: Enclaves/exclave classes
      many world class archipelagic states actually like new providence & the bahamas but these are maybe not so interesting a perfectly good one tho is bioko &
      Jan 05, 2003 @ 19:25 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8545. Re: Enclaves/exclave classes
      kevin ... or rather rio muni is the name of the part of equatorial guinea that answers the question properly & malaysia is another country that satisfies it
      Jan 05, 2003 @ 21:14 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8546. Topomap iljosy
      http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/EART/maps/jordan50k/3155_3.jpg Can anybody spot the tp? Jesper
      Oct 05, 2002 @ 20:38 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8547. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Topomap iljosy
      Hi Jesper, The maps at http://www.mideastinsight.org/9_99/lineofjune67_9.99_maps.html might help you (the story is told from
      Jan 05, 2003 @ 21:52 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
8548. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Topomap iljosy
      From personal experience, the best place to spot iljosy is from Hamat Gader, which is a bunch of hot springs near the tri-point. From the Israeli side one
      Jan 05, 2003 @ 23:15 - Asher Samuels (Asher Samuels <asher972@...>)
8549. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Enclaves/exclave classes
      I m tempted to say that the part with the seat of government should be the main part and that the other section or sections are the exclave/s. Now it s up to
      Jan 05, 2003 @ 23:16 - Asher Samuels (Asher Samuels <asher972@...>)
8550. Re: Enclaves/exclave classes & iljosy
      ... should be the main ... hahahahaha youve condemned me to trying to bust a clavological postulate hahaha & i could never do that in a world that places such
      Jan 06, 2003 @ 02:09 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8551. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Enclaves/exclave classes
      Arif, It would be fine if we as a fellowship as much as possible could use the same terms and definitions about the different of geographical areas. Rolf
      Jan 06, 2003 @ 08:17 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
8552. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Enclaves/exclave classes
      Kevin, Greenland is as a Danish biland of course not a part of Denmark, as Puerto Rico is not a part of the USA. Jan ... Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
      Jan 06, 2003 @ 08:38 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
8553. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: atchit
      ... In my experience there are several occurences of plates fastened onto the rock, instead of regular border stones in the high Alps. Probably because of the
      Jan 06, 2003 @ 08:41 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
8554. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Topomap iljosy
      I think I have a overview photo of Hamat Gader somewhere. When I find it I will post it. Maybe the tp is on it. Jan ... From: Asher Samuels
      Jan 06, 2003 @ 10:01 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
8555. Re: Enclaves/exclave classes
      ... use the ... areas. I agree. ... as I ... efforts ... definition ... exclaves ... I find it useful to think of enclaves/exclaves when the meaning is linked
      Jan 06, 2003 @ 11:20 - Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com> ("Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>" <smaardijk@...>)
8556. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Enclaves/exclave classes
      Hi Jan, ... Of course Greenland is considered to be a separate territory with it s own country code , but I understand that Denmark is still responsible for
      Jan 06, 2003 @ 12:07 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
8557. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Enclaves/exclave classes
      Kevin, OK, I see. Of course Greenland is a part of the Kingdom of Denmark, but not just Denmark ;-) Jan ... Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by
      Jan 06, 2003 @ 12:20 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
8558. Kokkina photos
      At last, you can all see the Kokkina (Turkish Cypriot coastal exclave) photos that I took at the end of October. They are all at
      Jan 06, 2003 @ 16:44 - nfhodder <lists@nicholashodder.com> ("nfhodder <lists@...>" <lists@...>)
8559. Re: Enclaves/exclave classes
      peter ... belonging to ... yes i see tho it becomes crystal clear if you consider that this giant condominium of everyones land belongs not only to every
      Jan 06, 2003 @ 20:33 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8560. Re: Kokkina photos
      The server where you posted these appears to be one which doesn t support blank spaces in the file names. Nothing was retrievable - only error message showed
      Jan 07, 2003 @ 04:56 - L. A. Nadybal <lnadybal@comcast.net> ("L. A. Nadybal <lnadybal@...>" <lnadybal@...>)
8561. Re: Kokkina photos
      ... It works fine for me. My IE6 automatically changes the spaces to %20 as it loads each image. Try changing the spaces manually to %20 and it should work.
      Jan 07, 2003 @ 09:35 - nfhodder <lists@nicholashodder.com> ("nfhodder <lists@...>" <lists@...>)
8562. Re: atchit
      ... yes thank you very much indeed for this corroboration & i would bet your guess is correct & i would also bet that the exact spot where the diagram must lie
      Jan 07, 2003 @ 15:34 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8563. Re: Enclaves/exclave classes
      peter ... well the leading edge of everyones land as it emanates from its antarctic base toward the civilized world falls at least 3 & typically 12 nautical
      Jan 07, 2003 @ 17:34 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8564. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Kokkina photos
      I have been getting this message the last three days: 20 Meg Limit Exceeded! Jesper ... From: nfhodder To:
      Jan 07, 2003 @ 20:27 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8565. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: atchit
      I agree. Wolfgang s image is the actual tripoint border marker fastened onto the rock. This below site used to have the Austrian border treaties, but now they
      Jan 07, 2003 @ 20:46 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8566. Re: Kokkina photos
      Reason (from tech. support at 100megsfree5): Question: 20 MEG LIMIT EXCEEDED Answer: This error message is displayed when you have transfered 20 Megabytes of
      Jan 07, 2003 @ 20:52 - Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com> ("Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>" <smaardijk@...>)
8567. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: atchit
      ... The Austrian parliament has a document retrieval service at http://www.parlinkom.gv.at/htdig/advsearch.html Search for Staatsgrenze , Grenzzeichen or
      Jan 07, 2003 @ 22:15 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
8568. Re: Kokkina photos
      nicholas i just want to say i did manage to access & fully enjoy your first pic on my old mac before something quit & then found a state of the art mac that
      Jan 07, 2003 @ 22:24 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8569. Just another day at the office...
      ..for these fellows: http://www.vorarlberg.at/pdf/landesgrenze.pdf Other colleagues at work: http://www.lverma-bb.de/pdf/298s42.pdf
      Jan 07, 2003 @ 23:04 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
8570. Re: Just another day at the office...
      ... mats maybe i wouldnt be so clueless if i got either german or pdf & it may well be business as usual & ho hum for those fellows & colleagues & therefore
      Jan 08, 2003 @ 00:31 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8571. Re: Kokkina photos
      I enter the filename with a space, press enter, the site name changes to insert to 20% or %20 (whatever) by itself. File not found shows up. I ll try a
      Jan 08, 2003 @ 02:23 - L. A. Nadybal <lnadybal@comcast.net> ("L. A. Nadybal <lnadybal@...>" <lnadybal@...>)
8572. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Just another day at the office...
      ... Yes, you are quite right. I apologize. The first link is about the marking of borderstone number 89 on the border between the Austrian provinces Vorarlberg
      Jan 08, 2003 @ 08:08 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
8573. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Just another day at the office...
      Ernst, Great documents! Danke! Jan ... From: Ernst Stavro Blofeld [mailto:blofeld_es@yahoo.com] Sent: 8. januar 2003 01:04 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
      Jan 08, 2003 @ 08:22 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
8574. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Just another day at the office...
      ... I have extracted some images from the documents, for those of you that have difficulties with pdf-documents.
      Jan 08, 2003 @ 09:49 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@yahoo.com>)
8575. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Just another day at the office...
      ... If you re interested in buying some of these: The Instruments Factory (Priborostroitel nyj zavod) of the Russian Ministery of Nuclear Energy not only makes
      Jan 08, 2003 @ 10:53 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
8576. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Just another day at the office...
      http://www.8ung.at/enklaven/frames/Buesalt.htm hi, here is information about buesingen. its from 1939 and its in german. i will translate a summary later.
      Jan 08, 2003 @ 10:54 - Chris Schulz ("Chris Schulz" <wertkauf@...>)
8577. ups, info about buesingen from 1939
      sorry about the wrong TO http://www.8ung.at/enklaven/frames/Buesalt.htm here is information about buesingen. its from 1939 and its in german. i will
      Jan 08, 2003 @ 10:55 - Chris Schulz ("Chris Schulz" <wertkauf@...>)
8578. Re: Just another day at the office...
      danke schoen darling for all these good offices words & pix
      Jan 08, 2003 @ 11:27 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8579. Re: Just another day at the office...
      ... and the ... hmm many if not most other types of border monuments are meant to last & have lasted for centuries so i wonder why they are so pleased about
      Jan 08, 2003 @ 11:52 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8580. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Just another day at the office...
      ... Well, it is a guarantee. So within these 50 years you ll get your money back, probably. And it doesn t mean you don t have to do maintenance. And these
      Jan 08, 2003 @ 12:01 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
8581. Re: Just another day at the office...
      peter ... to lack ... having followed eef from pillar to post i imagined benl only used those funny chess bishops or do you mean the sad state of even these
      Jan 08, 2003 @ 12:21 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8582. Re: Just another day at the office...
      ... I do mean the sad state of the bishops. Apart from flaking paint, rust, and not standing upright anymore, the bishop s hat is more than once missing. I
      Jan 08, 2003 @ 13:15 - Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com> ("Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>" <smaardijk@...>)
8583. Re: Just another day at the office...
      ... but ... all but a few pavement diagrams at baarle perhaps lower than even the lowest of stones & do you mean the bishops are stones too i had imagined they
      Jan 08, 2003 @ 14:46 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8584. Re: Just another day at the office...
      ... No, they re metal. They rust, you know... Peter S.
      Jan 08, 2003 @ 14:48 - Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com> ("Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>" <smaardijk@...>)
8585. UAE and Ras al Khaimah national exclaves 1971-1972
      I am enclosing two maps of the UAE / Ras al Khaimah area (December 2, 1971 - February 11, 1972) showing the exclaves of those countries (as well as of Oman).
      Jan 08, 2003 @ 16:16 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@swipnet.se>)
8586. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Just another day at the office...
      I ll take a couple and stick them in my garden. Or perhaps line them up on the CAUS border and claim Point Roberts for mother Russia. I d actually love to
      Jan 08, 2003 @ 16:27 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
8587. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Just another day at the office...
      Built in obsolesence means more business in the long run! ... ... Doug Murray Doug Murray Productions / Border Films CBC Infomatrix / CBC POV
      Jan 08, 2003 @ 16:30 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
8588. texas gusher
      http://www.rra.dst.tx.us/c_t/history/Land/BOUNDARIES.cfm for perhaps more than you ever wanted to know about the boundaries of the republic & state of texas
      Jan 09, 2003 @ 02:35 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8589. Oklahoma Tri-State Corners - Part III
      This final part of the series should settle the debate of many months ago regarding which of the several monuments in the near vicinity of NM-OK-TX is at the
      Jan 09, 2003 @ 03:51 - jparsell ("jparsell" <jparsell@northnet.org>)
8590. Re: Oklahoma Tri-State Corners - Part III
      bravissimos jack with standing ovations & texas gushers for both the brilliant report & the inspired dog caper our first canine visit class a ... near ...
      Jan 09, 2003 @ 04:53 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8591. Cross words
      I have put together some information and images about one of the boundary crosses. Some parts of it is old news to the BP members. http://jungholz.enclaves.org
      Jan 09, 2003 @ 11:37 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
8592. RE: Cross words
      Fantastic stuff, Ernst Congratulations and thank you Marcel ... __________________________________________________________________ ¿Quieres ser el primero en
      Jan 09, 2003 @ 15:47 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
8593. Re: Crosswords
      hear here another standing ovation fascinating to behold the boundary cross peak bearing a monumental cross too which tho just as beside the point as the one
      Jan 09, 2003 @ 16:11 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8594. CAFR: The mystery remains
      I picked up the CAFR topos -- and (not surprisingly) our answer is not there. I think it is time to ring the Canadian Coast Guard in Newfoundland... Attached
      Jan 09, 2003 @ 18:21 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
8595. TP hunt of the month: ALMKYU
      I have been trying to find information about this tp, but so far I am without luck. Others? Jesper
      Jan 09, 2003 @ 20:10 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8596. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cross words
      I am impressed and jealous..... My compliments! Harry
      Jan 09, 2003 @ 21:48 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
8597. Re: TP hunt of the month: ALMKYU
      well since you have all month no harm in starting slow so the tripoint falls somewhere along the korab ridge judging from ibs no 116 & inadequate maps my best
      Jan 10, 2003 @ 00:16 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8598. Re: TP hunt of the month: ALMKYU
      See the attached map ( I don t know if it s accurate ) Marcel __________________________________________________________________ ¿Quieres ser el primero en
      Jan 10, 2003 @ 08:53 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@navegalia.com>)
8599. Re:ALMKYU
      This small map is OK. Tripoint is border stone D24 on former AL-SFRJ border. regards, Mile Milenkoski
      Jan 10, 2003 @ 09:21 - Mile Milenkoski ("Mile Milenkoski" <mmilenkoski@...>)
8600. RE: [BoundaryPoint] CAFR: The mystery remains
      Doug, Don t give up! We will wait. How far is it from the westernmost of the Little Green Islands to the territorial border according to this map? Jan Vilnius,
      Jan 10, 2003 @ 15:02 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
8601. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Cross words
      Mats, This is how we shall make the stuff. It could simply not been made better! Jan S. Krogh Vilnius, Lithuania http://home.no.net/enklaver
      Jan 10, 2003 @ 15:13 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
8602. The Map Realm
      The Fictional Road Maps of Adrian Leskiw , a lot of borders and tripoints to discover! (and other interesting stuff)
      Jan 10, 2003 @ 18:51 - quadernet (quadernet <quadernet@...>)
8603. Nagging questions
      Peers, Jan Krogh has brought my attention to some irregularites about marker 110 at Sorgschrofen. To refresh our memories, we have:
      Jan 10, 2003 @ 23:18 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
8604. another disputed island
      http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/2642187.stm
      Jan 11, 2003 @ 01:46 - timothykiser <timothykiser@hotmail.com> ("timothykiser <timothykiser@...>" <timothykiser@...>)
8605. mats
      while i agree the others do seem only naggy by comparison i think the most interesting of jans & your questions are the following ... yes that places the legal
      Jan 11, 2003 @ 02:54 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8606. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Nagging questions
      Max Tauscher, the Jungholz expert that wrote a book about the place told us during GCEBE that the marker cross IS the quadropoint. Jesper ... From: Ernst
      Jan 11, 2003 @ 09:28 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8607. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Nagging questions
      ... Do we have access to this book? Do we know how to contact Mr Tauscher? M __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus
      Jan 11, 2003 @ 10:52 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
8608. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Nagging questions
      Some interesting links: On http://www.skischule-graen.at/ I found a Sepp Tauscher (relative?) may be reached on service@skischule-graen.at A very short and
      Jan 11, 2003 @ 11:10 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
8609. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Nagging questions
      Peter Hering has contact details for Mr. Tauscher and fro Mr. König, head of Austrian Border Survey office. Jesper ... From: Ernst Stavro Blofeld To:
      Jan 11, 2003 @ 11:15 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8610. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Nagging questions
      Mats, The Jungholz tourist information has a rather nice net site on http://www.jungholz.com considering that the population is only 302 persons. It is also
      Jan 11, 2003 @ 11:33 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
8611. Re: Nagging questions
      Hi, I have found a Max Tauscher in Jungholz in the Austrian phonebook (www.etb.at), I could ring him up and ask, just tell me, if there is something else I
      Jan 11, 2003 @ 11:35 - anton_zeilinger <anton_zeilinger@hotmail ("anton_zeilinger <anton_zeilinger@...>" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
8612. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Nagging questions
      Anton, Great! Maybe you can ask him from my side 1. Why there is a bolt there 2. Why there are two white fields, when and why they were painted like this 3.
      Jan 11, 2003 @ 12:05 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
8613. mats jan jesper & anton
      ... but go men go especially anton now great idea this could get interesting & lets not rule out the possibility that not only the locals but even the experts
      Jan 11, 2003 @ 14:13 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8614. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Nagging questions
      ... Ah. Yes, those. They confused me too. More images: http://images.enclaves.org/jungholz/KT_1.JPG http://images.enclaves.org/jungholz/KT_2.JPG
      Jan 11, 2003 @ 18:55 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
8615. Re: CAFR: The mystery remains
      well upon further reflection & examination of the map in message 8594 i really dont think there is much of a mystery here any more the positions of the turn
      Jan 11, 2003 @ 19:21 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8616. diagram anyone
      can anyone endeavor to sketch an aerial view of all the monuments & markers in relation to the pinnacle with &or without boundaries superimposed
      Jan 11, 2003 @ 19:28 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8617. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re:ALMKYU
      Great Mile What is in anycase the present status of the Macedonian-Yugoslavian border? And the other tripoint with Bulgaria? Jesper ... From: Mile Milenkoski
      Jan 11, 2003 @ 13:03 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8618. 110 and 110
      While we re at it: Browsing through all the broschures I took at the tourist office in Jungholz, I found an image of the 110 marker in a Wanderkarte (Hiking
      Jan 11, 2003 @ 19:48 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
8619. Re: [BoundaryPoint] diagram anyone
      ... Certainly. With all the usual disclaimers as to scale, weak memory etc: http://images.enclaves.org/jungholz/110Sketch.jpg Please tell me if you miss
      Jan 11, 2003 @ 20:25 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
8620. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Satellite of possible aftmuz and/or aftjuz
      Could be aftmuz or aftjuz, or just aftj, afuz or aftm. http://www.uwm.edu/Library/digilib/afghan/records/record_27.htm Jesper ... From: Jesper Nielsen To:
      Jan 11, 2003 @ 21:06 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8621. Re: diagram anyone
      thanx very much that is a big help so just to simplify all the foregoing clearly the kt rocks & monumental cross cant be border markers & it all boils back
      Jan 12, 2003 @ 00:22 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8622. Re: Satellite of possible aftmuz and/or aftjuz
      ... http://www.uwm.edu/Library/digilib/afghan/records/record_27.ht m ... judging from the depth of the canyon aftj seems most likely
      Jan 12, 2003 @ 01:20 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8623. Czech Leased Territory in Stettin
      Some messages back, we discussed the Czech harbors in Hamburg and Stettin (now Szczecin, Poland). I inquired at the Szczecin local government about the current
      Jan 12, 2003 @ 04:06 - L. A. Nadybal <lnadybal@comcast.net> ("L. A. Nadybal <lnadybal@...>" <lnadybal@...>)
8624. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: diagram anyone
      ... The peak is about two feet above marker 110, i. e. on the very same rock. M __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail
      Jan 12, 2003 @ 08:28 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
8625. recent conflicts at the Tajikistan/Kyrgyzstan enclaves
      See: http://www.rferl.org/nca/features/2003/01/06012003163449.asp also I ve found some information about the enclaves on this adress:
      Jan 12, 2003 @ 15:28 - marcelmiquelcat <marcelmiquel@navegalia. ("marcelmiquelcat <marcelmiquel@...>" <marcelmiquel@...>)
8626. Jeschtetten + definitions
      Evgeny Vinokurov is in his text mentioning the German enclave (?) of Jeschtetten in Switzerland. Does somebody have more information about this claimed area?
      Jan 12, 2003 @ 17:42 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
8627. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Jeschtetten + definitions
      hi jan, its not an enklave, bernd kueck has detailled information about it, its close to büsingen. heres the link: http://www.grenzen.150m.com/buesingenD.htm
      Jan 12, 2003 @ 17:50 - Chris Schulz ("Chris Schulz" <wertkauf@...>)
8628. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Jeschtetten + definitions
      ups, heres the english version, http://www.grenzen.150m.com/buesingenGB.htm regards, chris ... From: Chris Schulz To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent:
      Jan 12, 2003 @ 17:53 - Chris Schulz ("Chris Schulz" <wertkauf@...>)
8629. Re:ALMKYU
      Present status of the Macedonian-Yugoslav border is: Agreement of delineation from 2001; Demarcation is going on; Monument on tripoint with Bulgaria installed
      Jan 13, 2003 @ 09:10 - Mile Milenkoski ("Mile Milenkoski" <mmilenkoski@...>)
8630. Re: [BoundaryPoint] diagram anyone
      ... I have reexamined the text of the treaty if 1844, and there is room for another interpretation. The treaty describes the border, and says: In gerader
      Jan 13, 2003 @ 09:40 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
8631. Re: Enclaves/exclave classes
      Hi all, I ve been basically offline for the last two weeks, and am now trying to conquer my very overfilled email inbox. Just a few comments on my use of the
      Jan 13, 2003 @ 11:08 - Rolf Palmberg (Rolf Palmberg <rpalmber@...>)
8632. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CAFR: The mystery remains
      Jan: The western most point of the Little Green Islands is about 250m from the boundary line on the map. The unnamed island and Enfant Perdu appear to be less
      Jan 13, 2003 @ 18:41 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
8633. Re: diagram anyone
      major thanx for this extra diligence mats as it probably changes everything & once again i find the pointing fun grows exponentially while seeking the most
      Jan 13, 2003 @ 19:36 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8634. india/bangladesh enclaves article on-line
      A couple of nice photos. http://www.pscw.uva.nl/asia/vanschendel0101.htm or http://www.aasianst.org/catalog/asn611vanschen.pdf (pdf format ) Willem van
      Jan 14, 2003 @ 08:34 - marcelmiquelcat <marcelmiquel@navegalia. ("marcelmiquelcat <marcelmiquel@...>" <marcelmiquel@...>)
8635. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Topomap iljosy
      Here is a photo I in 1990 took of Hamat Gader. I have indicated the tp area, buy I did not find any good maps of this area. The Mapquest thalweg seems to fit
      Jan 14, 2003 @ 08:41 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@takas.lt>)
8636. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Topomap iljosy
      I am sorry that two Hamat Gader pics was posted. Please delete the photo with the slightly more leftish arrow. Jan ... Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
      Jan 14, 2003 @ 08:57 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
8637. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Enclaves/exclave classes
      Hello Rolf, I understand that you are not interested in sea enclaves - neither am I, but I am a bit puzzled why you don t include the Malawian exclaves on your
      Jan 14, 2003 @ 10:38 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
8638. Re: SPAM: RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Enclaves/exclave classes
      Thanks Jan. This IS difficult, but I see your point. In fact, I had the Malawian exclaves listed on my enclave site a couple of years ago, then decided they
      Jan 14, 2003 @ 12:33 - Rolf Palmberg (Rolf Palmberg <rpalmber@...>)
8639. Mützenich - an exclave?
      Hello folks, I discovered recently that it seems to be a connection between Germany proper and the Mützenich area at bm 750. If the maps I have are correct,
      Jan 14, 2003 @ 16:01 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@takas.lt>)
8640. Re: Topomap iljosy
      delightful surprise jan to find we are already at such close range btw i couldnt see any difference in your 2 photo treatments nor how to decide which one to
      Jan 14, 2003 @ 16:41 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8641. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Mützenich_-_an_exclave?
      The thing has been discussed in msgs. 2924 and 2926. I still don t know what is going on here. You may be right... Peter S. ...
      Jan 14, 2003 @ 16:44 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
8642. Re: india/bangladesh enclaves article on-line
      thanx for this timely feast marcel many nice nomenclatures & ideas especially that of divine cartography by krishna can anyone source this further ... the ...
      Jan 14, 2003 @ 16:54 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8643. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Topomap iljosy
      Mike, Sorry, no, I meant to say that the tp seems to be a confluence between the Yarmuk River and the unknown river the thalweg making the JOSY boundary
      Jan 14, 2003 @ 17:12 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@takas.lt>)
8644. Re: Topomap iljosy
      ... between the ... JOSY boundary ... jan there may or may not be a stream confluence there i dont know what you saw but the tripoint is not defined by a
      Jan 14, 2003 @ 18:34 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8645. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Topomap iljosy
      My better idea, subject to work or lack thereof, is to spend a couple days in the spring visiting some unusual border points in the north of Israel. I hope to
      Jan 14, 2003 @ 19:32 - Asher Samuels (Asher Samuels <asher972@...>)
8646. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Topomap iljosy
      Sure, you are right about the 26 Oct 1994 ILJO peace treaty (Biger, p. 314). When I was there it was still no UN recognized tp. And of course it is only a de
      Jan 14, 2003 @ 20:01 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@takas.lt>)
8647. sleepwalking ncsc
      found in the wee hours this morning when i could find nowhere finer to be http://www.surveyhistory.org/north-south_carolina_boundary_co mmission_report.htm
      Jan 14, 2003 @ 20:27 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8648. Re: Mützenich_-_an_exclave?
      hi all clavers likewise peers pointers & all members for that matter this item strikes me as a prime target for further investigation since it appears to be
      Jan 14, 2003 @ 21:37 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8649. publications
      The latest issue of Cartography , the journal of the Mapping Sciences Institute of Australia (v31, #2, Dec 2002) has a couple of articles that may be of
      Jan 14, 2003 @ 23:13 - b.whyte@pgrad.unimelb.edu.au (b.whyte@...)
8650. China Mapping
      From my China desk. I have not seen the map, nor know how to obtain it. BW Beijing Environment, Science and Technology Update January 3, 2003 China s first map
      Jan 14, 2003 @ 23:24 - b.whyte@pgrad.unimelb.edu.au (b.whyte@...)
8651. possibly another new interstate quadricounty point
      the maps show it as a near miss at gasw http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=30.71&lon=-84.86&s=25 &symshow=n & tho things surely got mussed up by seminole dam
      Jan 15, 2003 @ 16:57 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8652. county formation by recirculating animation acid trip
      http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~stephan/Animation/us.gif
      Jan 15, 2003 @ 17:28 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8653. Somewhat OT: Where does space begin
      A few months ago, I watched a PBS program on the great ballon race, and at one time, a Remax team was planning an around the world attempt in a large ballon
      Jan 15, 2003 @ 19:22 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
8654. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Somewhat OT: Where does space begin
      ... From: John Seeliger To: Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 1:22 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint]
      Jan 15, 2003 @ 19:36 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
8655. new interstate quadricounty point is confirmed
      a smoking gun at gasw http://www.cviog.uga.edu/Projects/gainfo/histcountymaps/semin ole1915map.htm ...
      Jan 15, 2003 @ 19:39 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8656. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Topomap iljosy
      Thanks Asher, Sounds great. You are in an area which means very much to many of us. I have many good memories from Hamat Gader and Galilee. Like so often I was
      Jan 15, 2003 @ 19:43 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
8657. Re: Somewhat OT: Where does space begin
      hey john thats not in the old testament at all & i dont know of any upward limit on sovereign air space except of course what one can practically maintain
      Jan 15, 2003 @ 19:47 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8658. Mutzenich
      I think it is significant that only BELGIAN maps show the road here as being German. German maps show it as Belgian. There are no boundary pillars along the
      Jan 15, 2003 @ 23:03 - b.whyte@pgrad.unimelb.edu.au (b.whyte@...)
8659. yet another newfound interstate quadricounty point sort of
      ... gladly & sure enough just where the red river used to cross the arla state line http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=15&n=3653024&e=42468
      Jan 16, 2003 @ 00:16 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8660. yet another sort of
      & where the ouachita river also crosses the arla state line a matching but wet bicounty plus biparish sort of quadripoint providing a ninth member of the
      Jan 16, 2003 @ 00:54 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8661. worlds finest chicken neck
      http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=37&lon=-111.38&s=50& symshow=n showing the incredibly long narrow proruption of san juan county utah situated mostly in
      Jan 16, 2003 @ 02:25 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8662. Re: Somewhat OT: Where does space begin
      ... yea, but to know by how much they expand and where to set the borders, you would have to know where the space ends, and it doesn t. And if the height of
      Jan 16, 2003 @ 02:28 - Karolis B. <kbajoraz@yahoo.com> ("Karolis B. <kbajoraz@...>" <kbajoraz@...>)
8663. RE: [BoundaryPoint] yet another sort of
      According to my count, I have found 18 interstate and 1 interstate/province points in the US. Someday I ll get this posted along with the intrastate quad
      Jan 16, 2003 @ 02:45 - jparsell ("jparsell" <jparsell@...>)
8664. RE: [BoundaryPoint] yet another sort of
      Correction on message below. I meant to say 18 interstate county quad points. The international one is Flathead & Glacier counties Montana, Waterton Lakes,
      Jan 16, 2003 @ 03:03 - jparsell ("jparsell" <jparsell@...>)
8665. Re: yet another sort of
      hahaha ok jack but no hurry here i just found my tenth us2ndsd3cacoemsi http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=14&n=5088260&e=38353 6&s=50&symshow=n so i guess they
      Jan 16, 2003 @ 03:18 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8666. Re: Somewhat OT: Where does space begin
      ... the ... doesn t. you wouldnt necessarily have to consider or know this just imagine inflating a balloon with a global map printed on it & watching all the
      Jan 16, 2003 @ 04:07 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8667. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Somewhat OT: Where does space begin
      ... From: To: Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 1:47 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Somewhat OT: Where does
      Jan 16, 2003 @ 07:07 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
8668. Re: Enclaves/exclaves again
      I have now included the Malawian islands in my list of enclaves/exclaves. But a tiny bit of me feels there s something illogical about it. Is this, btw, the
      Jan 16, 2003 @ 07:42 - Rolf Palmberg (Rolf Palmberg <rpalmber@...>)
8669. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Somewhat OT: Where does space begin
      ... The problem is that the atmosphere isn t uniform in its depth/thickness around the Earth. It s thicker at the equator than at the poles. In addition, there
      Jan 16, 2003 @ 11:22 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
8670. Re: Enclaves/exclaves again
      yes probably the only ones in a lake but i believe we have also encountered a whole archipelago in the parana or uruguay river involving an unknown number of
      Jan 16, 2003 @ 13:31 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8671. Re: Somewhat OT: Where does space begin
      yes all these answers by kevin & john & even karolis are true but the original allegedly somewhat ot question was only asking for the legal upper limit of a
      Jan 16, 2003 @ 15:56 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8672. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Enclaves/exclaves again
      Good boy. Jesper ... From: Rolf Palmberg To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 8:42 AM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re:
      Jan 16, 2003 @ 20:57 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8673. Re: Somewhat OT: Where does space begin
      You can get more information about outer space treaties and space law at this excellent website from UN: http://www.oosa.unvienna.org/SpaceLaw/spacelaw.htm An
      Jan 16, 2003 @ 21:48 - marcelmiquelcat <marcelmiquel@navegalia. ("marcelmiquelcat <marcelmiquel@...>" <marcelmiquel@...>)
8674. Re: Somewhat OT: Where does space begin
      ... space ... national ... occupation, ... true it remains but it wasnt the question til you asked it notwithstanding the above title the original question in
      Jan 16, 2003 @ 23:48 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8675. Re: Enclaves/exclaves again
      Your paragraph below accurately pinpoints the potential headache. Rolf
      Jan 17, 2003 @ 06:35 - Rolf Palmberg (Rolf Palmberg <rpalmber@...>)
8676. Re: Enclaves/exclaves again
      haha fortunately we are not trypointing for a headache tho & all these reflections are just a natural outgrowth of the desire expressed by jan & felt by many
      Jan 17, 2003 @ 15:21 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8677. Borders on CBC Radio 3
      Many of my border pictures are featured this week at CBCRadio3.com. It is a webzine filled with music, art and now, border pictures. Hopefully we will meet
      Jan 17, 2003 @ 15:33 - Doug <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com> ("Doug <doug@...>" <doug@...>)
8678. Re: Borders on CBC Radio 3
      ... why whats wrong with the ones we have now ... and ... ahh then i will look forward to seeing these on the radio ... thanx & congrats
      Jan 17, 2003 @ 16:10 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8679. interstate tertiary megapoints of the usa continued
      well jack i am not sure i can name all 18 of yours as promised in our recent messages 8663 thru 8665 in fact i am pretty sure i am still missing a few but i do
      Jan 18, 2003 @ 15:11 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8680. Russian help
      I need to read Russian. http://www.flat.ru/kalmyk/kyrgyz/all.htm Do any of these pictures indicate the KGUZ, I searched for Karasuu because of these news:
      Jan 18, 2003 @ 17:34 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8681. Re: Russian help
      nice pix & i think the karasuu jpg is probably a true kguz since there is a kguz bridge at karasuu pop 20k where the border follows one of the headstreams of
      Jan 18, 2003 @ 20:43 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8682. ukc
      http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2271914.stm
      Jan 18, 2003 @ 22:19 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8683. omsaye
      omsaye probably market last year. http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/021116/2002111609.html Jesper
      Jan 18, 2003 @ 22:27 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8684. Re: [BoundaryPoint] omsaye
      On June 12, 2000, Saudi Arabia and Yemen signed a border agreement that covered both the border delineated under the Taif agreement and issues that had not
      Jan 18, 2003 @ 23:01 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8685. Re: ukc
      ... hitting 5 center points with one shot is certainly a bp record even if none of them quite qualifies as an entire nation state & notwithstanding the
      Jan 19, 2003 @ 23:23 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8686. Re: omsaye
      yes it was thought to be monumented since message 8006 which leads to other related links too ... http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/021116/200211160
      Jan 20, 2003 @ 00:14 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8687. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ukc
      ... Centre of England http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2271925.stm Interesting to see that my parents live about 8 miles from the Centre of England. (They
      Jan 20, 2003 @ 00:31 - Andrew T. Patton ("Andrew T. Patton" <andrew@...>)
8688. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ukc
      ... This is a difficult one. The ISO 3166-1 standard requires that alpha codes reflect a unique component of the country name, which means that prefixes such
      Jan 20, 2003 @ 11:33 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
8689. Re: ukc
      ... alpha codes ... that prefixes ... a result ... Great Britain ... codes to be ... be allocated ... codes be reserved ... France ... Finland (Åland ...
      Jan 20, 2003 @ 16:50 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8690. Secret
      border crossing guide http://irational.org/cgi-bin/border/clients/deny.pl
      Jan 20, 2003 @ 19:35 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8691. Re: Secret
      ... irationaly & indeed odly enough & just to promote any movement at all during this our season of most extreme hibernation tho i cant reveal the secret to
      Jan 21, 2003 @ 13:19 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8692. border art for wall nuts
      http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/local/1_14_03border_art.html
      Jan 21, 2003 @ 13:25 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8693. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Secret
      ... You can also see the list of ISO 3166-1 reserved codes at http://www.ccc.de/%7Eandy/ICANN/iso3166-res.pdf. These are never officially published, but are
      Jan 21, 2003 @ 14:09 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
8694. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Topomap iljosy
      The Shaaba farms might be a bit hard to visit, as most of the area is a closed off military zone. I would hope to try to get to: Rajar - a village that s now
      Jan 21, 2003 @ 16:40 - Asher Samuels (Asher Samuels <asher972@...>)
8695. Re: Secret
      ... never officially ... autonomous or ... for Åland ... i cant access that at the moment but do you suppose we could reserve a code for everyones land
      Jan 21, 2003 @ 16:55 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8696. Re: Topomap iljosy
      ... with a ... hill over from ... reading you loud & clear either of these especially to whatever extent possible would be a huge accomplishment vis tecum
      Jan 21, 2003 @ 17:07 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8697. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Secret
      Mike, ... Try removing the . at the end of the URL, which seems to be inadvertently incorporated on some e-mail clients. ... Sadly not. The ISO 3166 FAQ says
      Jan 21, 2003 @ 17:17 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
8698. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Topomap iljosy
      I will surely wait with great anticipation. Jesper ... From: Asher Samuels To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 5:40 PM Subject:
      Jan 21, 2003 @ 17:41 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8699. Re: [BoundaryPoint] National Geographic Quiz
      ... From: Jan S. Krogh To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 7:47 AM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] National Geographic Quiz According
      Jan 21, 2003 @ 21:21 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
8700. Exclaves along India / Pakistani boundary
      BP ers, I searched Google, http://www.google.com/ for indian enclave and pakistani enclave and found some interesting (?) sites -
      Jan 21, 2003 @ 21:35 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@swipnet.se>)
8701. Nahwa (UAE exclave) and Shees
      At http://uaeinteract.com/news/viewnews.asp?NewsFileName=20000307.htm there is a news report about Nahwa NEW HEALTH CENTRE OPENS IN NAHWA A new health centre
      Jan 21, 2003 @ 21:55 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
8702. particular mexican spots
      ... end of this month. Any particular spots nearby that anyone would want a photo of, if I have a chance? great of course all the tristate points on eastern
      Jan 22, 2003 @ 02:28 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8703. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ukc
      Great find! ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 2:19 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] ukc
      Jan 22, 2003 @ 04:53 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
8704. RE: [BoundaryPoint] National Geographic Quiz
      Is this effectively the same content as was in the National Geographic article? Yes Does anyone know where I can find the survey?
      Jan 22, 2003 @ 05:24 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
8705. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Secret
      Here is the story behind this odd site: http://www.tate.org.uk/netart/borderxingguide.htm Jesper ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
      Jan 22, 2003 @ 05:53 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8706. Re: SPAM: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Secret
      Thanks! Very odd stuff! Rolf PS! Nice book in your national libraries!
      Jan 22, 2003 @ 06:14 - Rolf Palmberg (Rolf Palmberg <rpalmber@...>)
8707. Re: Secret
      ... 3166-1? ... they are no ... code elements ... the series ... series of ... well then we should reserve aa for everyones land since fittingly thats mostly
      Jan 22, 2003 @ 13:25 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8708. Re: [BoundaryPoint] particular mexican spots
      ... From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 8:28 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] particular mexican spots ...
      Jan 23, 2003 @ 06:43 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
8709. Northernmost Int'l Land Frontier in the World
      Hello! My name is Craig and I live in Mississauga, Ontario. I just joined the group and I love reading the archived messages and looking at your photo files
      Jan 23, 2003 @ 13:22 - Craig <trehala@yahoo.com> ("Craig <trehala@...>" <trehala@...>)
8710. Re: Northernmost Int'l Land Frontier in the World
      welcome friend is this the point where firu goes down to the sea near linakhamen russia ... joined ... looking at ... international ... i.e., ... scanned ...
      Jan 23, 2003 @ 14:11 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8711. Re: Northernmost Int'l Land Frontier in the World
      ... I think northernmost FINO is further to the north (Border crossing Polmak/Nuorgam (boundary marker 343 on the Tana river)). Peter S.
      Jan 23, 2003 @ 14:21 - Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com> ("Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>" <smaardijk@...>)
8712. Re: particular mexican spots
      wonderful john these are in fact the best maps of mexico we have seen tho their fat shaggy boundary depiction is little help for acutourism however clearly you
      Jan 23, 2003 @ 14:35 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8713. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Northernmost Int'l Land Frontier in the World
      ... I don t think the FIRU border reaches the sea (although I believe it did pre-1940). However, the NORU border does and this is further north. Of course,
      Jan 23, 2003 @ 14:50 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
8714. Re: Northernmost Int'l Land Frontier in the World
      yes i agree with you & peter but if ice is land then caru the north pole is at least claimed by both canada & russia plus 2 slices of everyones ice ... believe
      Jan 23, 2003 @ 14:59 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8715. Re: Northernmost Int'l Land Frontier in the World
      ... crossing Polmak/Nuorgam (boundary marker 343 on the Tana river). ... You are correct Peter! I have some amazing summer photos of me crossing the border on
      Jan 23, 2003 @ 15:27 - Craig <trehala@yahoo.com> ("Craig <trehala@...>" <trehala@...>)
8716. [BoundaryPoint] Re: particular mexican spots
      Since the point seems to have come up again, I have to say that I believe my list of Mexican quadripoints is quite thorough and there is only one. It has been
      Jan 23, 2003 @ 15:47 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
8717. caru
      so if you can believe the canadians & russians & the everyonese then the north pole in iso might be aaaacaru or caruzzzz but maybe we should also reserve the 2
      Jan 23, 2003 @ 15:49 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8718. Re: Northernmost Int'l Land Frontier in the World
      ... the most ... yes & not quite per messages 6714 & 6568
      Jan 23, 2003 @ 16:18 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8719. Re: particular mexican spots
      fantastic looks like another mexican standoff to me & now i really do wonder again where the real x that marks the real spot really is funny that this treasure
      Jan 23, 2003 @ 16:24 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8720. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Northernmost Int'l Land Frontier in the World
      Consulting BorderBase you would have found 4 picture links for FINORU at http://www.nicolette.dk/borderbase/tripoint.php?c1=49&c2=107&c3=118&orientation=
      Jan 23, 2003 @ 20:05 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8721. a game around the iqkwsa
      Wadi Al Batin is the iqkwsa tripoint. http://www.closecombat.org/DS/gulfmaps.htm marcel
      Jan 23, 2003 @ 21:23 - marcelmiquelcat <marcelmiquel@navegalia. ("marcelmiquelcat <marcelmiquel@...>" <marcelmiquel@...>)
8722. Re: Northernmost Int'l Land Frontier in the World
      ... i.e., ... this question of dry bpn is so interesting & i blew it so spectacularly that it got me to wondering if any more fun could be had by completing
      Jan 23, 2003 @ 23:40 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8723. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: particular mexican spots
      ... From: Arif Samad To: Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:47 AM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re:
      Jan 24, 2003 @ 00:06 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
8724. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Northernmost Int'l Land Frontier in the World
      Ice must always be considered water (inshore) or sea (offshore), not land! Jan http://home.no.net/enklaver ... Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
      Jan 24, 2003 @ 07:26 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
8725. [BoundaryPoint] Re: particular mexican spots
      Ok, the CIESIN site I have just sent has maps with thin boundaries, though being a demographic site, one may wonder it can be trusted. As two quadripoints
      Jan 24, 2003 @ 15:21 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
8726. Re: Northernmost Int'l Land Frontier in the World
      ... (offshore), not ... thank you thank you & yet much if not most of everyones ice rests on everyones land & even contains appreciable amounts of everyones
      Jan 24, 2003 @ 15:43 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8727. Re: particular mexican spots
      ... brilliant resourcefulness & excellent reasoning & these are actually the best data we have on this treasure & great news in fact so i am with you loud &
      Jan 24, 2003 @ 15:59 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8728. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Northernmost Int'l Land Frontier in the World
      ... From: To: Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 9:43 AM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Northernmost Int l Land
      Jan 24, 2003 @ 16:16 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
8729. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Northernmost Int'l Land Frontier in the World
      Mike, I did not speak about the ice in your fridge ;-) Of course not if it is land below... Jan
      Jan 24, 2003 @ 16:44 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
8730. Re: some nice links - and an internat. quadruplet-point !
      Hi BoundaryPointers I am fascinated by all the archived messages, and I love spending hours all day and night reading them. If I may contribute something to
      Jan 24, 2003 @ 18:01 - Craig <trehala@yahoo.com> ("Craig <trehala@...>" <trehala@...>)
8731. Sign to Nuorgam, Finland
      This is my first attempt at scanning and sending. Location, Utsjoki, Finland 29.07.00. Sami Bridge across the Tana River, and Norway, in background. Craig
      Jan 24, 2003 @ 18:37 - Craig Rowland (Craig Rowland <trehala@...>)
8732. Biking into Utsjoki, Finland from Norway
      29.07.00 The signs are in Finnish (top) and Tunturi Sami (bottom). Craig __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus -
      Jan 24, 2003 @ 18:44 - Craig Rowland (Craig Rowland <trehala@...>)
8733. Norway/Finland sign on Sami Bridge
      29.07.00 While crossing the Sami Bridge over the Tana River on bicycle, I encountered this sign at the halfway point. The country names in the Sami language
      Jan 24, 2003 @ 18:55 - Craig Rowland (Craig Rowland <trehala@...>)
8734. Pedestrians and Cyclists
      29.07.00 As you cross the Sami Bridge from Norway back into Finland, pedestrians and cyclists are informed in both languages that they have to cross to the
      Jan 24, 2003 @ 19:03 - Craig Rowland (Craig Rowland <trehala@...>)
8735. Customs Office in Utsjoki, Finland
      29.07.00 Norwegian, Finnish and European Union flags outside the Customs Office in Utsjoki, Finland. Pedestrians and cyclists proceed both on and off the
      Jan 24, 2003 @ 19:10 - Craig Rowland (Craig Rowland <trehala@...>)
8736. Most Northerly Photo op more like it
      Help me out here people. Just before crossing from Nuorgam, Finland into Polmak, Norway, this marker appears. It is my understanding that the coordinates
      Jan 24, 2003 @ 19:17 - Craig Rowland (Craig Rowland <trehala@...>)
8737. Northernmost Land Frontier
      31.07.00 About to cycle across the world s northernmost land frontier, from Nuorgam, Finland into Polmak, Norway. The little little yellow NORGE sign is
      Jan 24, 2003 @ 19:25 - Craig Rowland (Craig Rowland <trehala@...>)
8738. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Northernmost Land Frontier
      Maybe you can post all your photos in a special map on Boundary Point. My telephone expenses raise very high this way. Jannis Deeleman ... Van: Craig Rowland
      Jan 24, 2003 @ 20:37 - JC.Deeleman ("JC.Deeleman" <deeleman@...>)
8739. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: some nice links - and an internat. quadruplet-point !
      Welcome Craig! Another evil Canadian (beware Czech borders!). You know... there should be a list on the site of where we are all from. I d love to know how
      Jan 24, 2003 @ 22:47 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
8740. bwnazmzw
      ... not likely since the question really hasnt been resolved so far as we know nor can it be resolved evidently without some further clarification by the
      Jan 24, 2003 @ 23:48 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8741. Re: Most Northerly Photo op more like it
      ... craig that is novel as well as fascinating & i dont pretend to understand but i do have a theory to offer first clearly these arent normal degrees &
      Jan 25, 2003 @ 14:29 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8742. Re: [BoundaryPoint] a game around the iqkwsa
      And a map http://www.un.org/Depts/Cartographic/map/dpko/unikom.pdf Jesper ... From: marcelmiquelcat To:
      Jan 25, 2003 @ 14:32 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8743. Re: a game around the iqkwsa
      thanxx truly great game & i cant see as usual hahaha but is this the same map as in message 5865 which provoked message 5871 & elicited 6509 geocoords in 6707
      Jan 25, 2003 @ 15:00 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8744. Re: Northernmost Int'l Land Frontier in the World
      ... hahahahaha naturally i have already everyoneized the ice in my fridge ... right thats where i stash my best dope too in everyones land just beneath the ice
      Jan 25, 2003 @ 15:21 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8745. Fulton County & other Childhood Finds
      Hello BoundaryPointers I found a few archived messages pertaining to US county exclaves, and I located them by typing Fulton in the search box. As a child I
      Jan 25, 2003 @ 15:52 - Craig <trehala@yahoo.com> ("Craig <trehala@...>" <trehala@...>)
8746. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Northernmost Land Frontier
      Can you point out the exact border? The road surface change in front? Jesper ... From: Craig Rowland To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January
      Jan 25, 2003 @ 15:55 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8747. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Northernmost Land Frontier
      Was it here. Do you have the picture of BM 343 just before the border leaves land? Jesper ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent:
      Jan 25, 2003 @ 16:13 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
8748. Re: Northernmost Land Frontier
      great just as i guessed can you read the geocoords from this map ... border leaves land? ... Service. ... Service.
      Jan 25, 2003 @ 16:35 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8749. Re: Northernmost Land Frontier
      Hi Jesper I have photos of BM 343 and BM343A (both sides of each) which I will scan when I return to work. I can only scan at work, and when I posted those
      Jan 25, 2003 @ 16:51 - Craig <trehala@yahoo.com> ("Craig <trehala@...>" <trehala@...>)
8750. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: hi
      I never replied to this one from back in May because I was (an still am) looking for the pics, but I had a question. ... From: acroorca2002 To:
      Jan 25, 2003 @ 17:22 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
8751. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Northernmost Land Frontier
      ... or was it here? Jan http://home.no.net/enklaver ... From: Jesper Nielsen [mailto:jesniel@image.dk] Sent: 25. januar 2003 18:13 To:
      Jan 25, 2003 @ 17:41 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@takas.lt>)
8752. Re: Northernmost Land Frontier
      good find actual dry fin so also dry eun but for absolute fin & absolute eun & thus true finon i believe it would be on the thalweg flowing past & just north
      Jan 25, 2003 @ 18:11 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8753. Re: hi
      ... still am) looking for the pics, but I had a question. ... ky ... within the so called contiguous 48 states ... extend beyond the normal territorial limits
      Jan 25, 2003 @ 18:42 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8754. Re: Fulton County & other Childhood Finds
      ... exclaves, and ... excellent so you probably already realize our cockamamie bp search engine is perhaps the most fun equipment or appurtenance in the entire
      Jan 25, 2003 @ 19:26 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8755. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: hi
      ... From: To: Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 12:42 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: hi ... OK, but above you
      Jan 25, 2003 @ 19:28 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
8756. Re: hi
      ... back that FL ... exactly gulf coast florida gets 9 tho atlantic coast florida gets only 3 all of texas & all of puerto rico get 9 also the cause seems to
      Jan 25, 2003 @ 20:26 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8757. kymotnm or middle kymotn
      this large map shows the entire bubble & double bend at once http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=16&n=4050794&e=280412&s=200&size=m&symshow=n on it you can see
      Jan 25, 2003 @ 22:15 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@hotmail.com>)
8758. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: hi
      ... From: To: Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 2:26 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: hi ... exactly gulf coast
      Jan 25, 2003 @ 22:35 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
8759. kymotnl from mid neck
      attached is a more typical bubble scene facing west along kytn from the middle of the neck toward kymotnl again at midriver midframe & which should also give a
      Jan 25, 2003 @ 23:14 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@hotmail.com>)
8760. Re: hi
      ... http://geography.about.com/library/misc/uceez.htm: it seems a nice new hat actually for some mostly familiar ideas the only significant thing it misses i
      Jan 26, 2003 @ 00:48 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8761. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: hi
      ... From: To: Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 6:48 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: hi ... thanks for the
      Jan 26, 2003 @ 00:56 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
8762. corrections
      oops the narrowest part of the kentucky bend bubble ie the dry segment of kytn lying between kymotnl & kymotnm is not the same thing as the narrowest part of
      Jan 26, 2003 @ 15:41 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8763. Re: [BoundaryPoint] hi
      ... Don t nations still retain the 3 nautical mile limit as coastal waters as opposed to the 12 nautical mile territorial waters , in which they may bar
      Jan 26, 2003 @ 18:13 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
8764. Re: hi
      ... to sail a ... would it ... waters as ... may bar ... a few countries like oz still do distinguish as coastal waters the most landward 3nm of their 12nm
      Jan 26, 2003 @ 21:59 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8765. Book of Lists...
      Craig, Yep, Wallace, Wallace and Wallechinsky have a lot to answer for. I too discovered Fulton Cty from their listing. For those who hate those who post
      Jan 26, 2003 @ 23:57 - b.whyte@pgrad.unimelb.edu.au (b.whyte@...)
8766. SMOM
      Several months back I brought up SMOM, which is argued by many to be the smallest country in the world. I just finished reading the constitution of the Order,
      Jan 27, 2003 @ 02:58 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
8767. SMOM AGAIN
      I just emailed the Order of Malta s information center and asked the question. I ll let you all know what there response is when I get it and if I get it.
      Jan 27, 2003 @ 03:08 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
8768. Re: SMOM AGAIN
      ... asked the ... it and if ... dyou mean you actually proposed to them & are already shouting it from the rooftops fantastic & good thing you waited til
      Jan 27, 2003 @ 04:50 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8769. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: SMOM AGAIN
      Maybe I should propose! It is a rather cute location! Their response will most likely take ages, if ever, if the good nature of the border guard I disturbed
      Jan 27, 2003 @ 04:55 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
8770. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: SMOM AGAIN
      RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: SMOM AGAINSMOM is as I see it clearly not any separate country, but some kind of a quasi diplomatic organisation - diplomats and civil
      Jan 27, 2003 @ 05:57 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
8771. Re: [BoundaryPoint] SMOM
      ... A sovereign territory can presumably only be sovereign in the legal sense, if it s recognised by other sovereign territories. Sealand and Hutt River
      Jan 27, 2003 @ 11:06 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
8772. RE: [BoundaryPoint] SMOM
      please define SMOM for us all [Bill Burke] ... From: Kevin Meynell [mailto:kevin@meynell.com] Sent: 27 January 2003 11:07 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
      Jan 27, 2003 @ 12:43 - Bill Burke ("Bill Burke" <bill@...>)
8773. FW: Question about SMOM Sovereignty
      Here s the timely response I got from the SMOM information service. It still doesn t clarify things too well, but as Jan suggested yesterday, it probably has
      Jan 27, 2003 @ 14:28 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
8774. RE: [BoundaryPoint] SMOM
      Sorry I didn t clarify SMOM. It is The Sovereign Military and Hospitaller Order of St. John of Jerusalem of Rhodes and of Malta, and it is argued to be the
      Jan 27, 2003 @ 14:39 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
8775. RE: [BoundaryPoint] SMOM
      From SMOM FAQ page: The Sovereign Military Hospitaller Order of St. John of Jerusalem of Rhodes and Malta, better known as the Sovereign Order of Malta, has a
      Jan 27, 2003 @ 14:59 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
8776. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
      Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File :
      Jan 27, 2003 @ 15:07 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com (BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com )
8777. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
      Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File :
      Jan 27, 2003 @ 15:14 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com (BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com )
8778. Re: [BoundaryPoint] FW: Question about SMOM Sovereignty
      Question about SMOM Sovereigntyhi, here you get a list of the diplomatic representations of smom: http://www.smom-za.org/smom/smomdipl.htm here you get further
      Jan 27, 2003 @ 15:23 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <wertkauf@...>)
8779. Re: Northern Ireland (UK) -Republic Of Ireland Border
      Hi I explored the mentioned no.27 1:50.000 map, published two scans in the files area and published one more little scan on
      Jan 27, 2003 @ 16:20 - max23568 <max23568@yahoo.de> ("max23568 <max23568@...>" <max23568@...>)
8780. Re: SMOM
      I think Jan has made it clear for all of us: the SMOM is recognized by many (not all!) other subjects of international law as a subject of international law,
      Jan 27, 2003 @ 17:01 - Joachim Duester <jduester@pobox.com> ("Joachim Duester <jduester@...>" <jduester@...>)
8781. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: SMOM
      ... From: To: Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 11:01 AM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: SMOM ... So, does this
      Jan 27, 2003 @ 17:19 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
8782. Re: [BoundaryPoint] SMOM
      ... I ve never understood the part of the US Constitution where it states that the President must be born in the United States. Article II states No person
      Jan 27, 2003 @ 17:44 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
8783. SMOM and Hawaii
      I don t think place of birth equals sovereignty, so I am not sure the embassies and Camp Ray comparisons are entirely applicable here. Didn t somebody mention
      Jan 27, 2003 @ 17:55 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
8784. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Northern Ireland (UK) -Republic Of Ireland Border
      Great maps. I have read about the border straddling houses, but not where. Anybody? Jesper ... From: max23568 To:
      Jan 27, 2003 @ 19:54 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8785. Re: SMOM
      ... Y, was ... A person born in the premises of the US embassy in Rome is of course born in Italy! Please remember also that in most countries of the world,
      Jan 27, 2003 @ 19:59 - Joachim Duester <jduester@pobox.com> ("Joachim Duester <jduester@...>" <jduester@...>)
8786. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Us Constitution
      ... /* rest of e-mail snipped */ Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 means that one has to be either: 1) A US born citizen or 2) Someone who acquired US
      Jan 27, 2003 @ 20:37 - Asher Samuels (Asher Samuels <asher972@...>)
8787. Border Marker 343A (c. 1950)
      Dual-citizen dogs sit just inside the Norwegian border. I had just crossed from Nuorgam, Finland into Norway by bicycle on 31.07.00. Tana River is behind the
      Jan 27, 2003 @ 21:06 - Craig Rowland (Craig Rowland <trehala@...>)
8788. Arrival in Norway
      Two identical yellow NORGE signs, both flanking the road and facing the same direction, greeted me on my bike as I rode into Norway. I had started out my trip
      Jan 27, 2003 @ 21:12 - Craig Rowland (Craig Rowland <trehala@...>)
8789. Border Stone 343A other side
      Just inside the Norwegian border, facing the Finnish EU sign, stating the Finnish, Tunturi Sami and Swedish names for Finland.
      Jan 27, 2003 @ 21:18 - Craig Rowland (Craig Rowland <trehala@...>)
8790. This is the red line in the atlas
      I am standing on the Finnish side of the FINO border fence at the Nuorgam/Polmak crossing. The view is south. That red line you see in atlases dividing Finland
      Jan 27, 2003 @ 21:25 - Craig Rowland (Craig Rowland <trehala@...>)
8791. FW: [BoundaryPoint] Northernmost Land Frontier
      ... Van: JC.Deeleman [mailto:deeleman@concepts.nl] Verzonden: vrijdag 24 januari 2003 21:38 Aan: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Onderwerp: RE: [BoundaryPoint]
      Jan 27, 2003 @ 21:32 - JC.Deeleman ("JC.Deeleman" <deeleman@...>)
8792. Cut through this field then slide down a cliff
      Follow the above directions (in the E-mail subject line) and you will land on the southern bank of the Tana River. This area is north of the road where I had
      Jan 27, 2003 @ 21:32 - Craig Rowland (Craig Rowland <trehala@...>)
8793. Border Marker 343
      Standing on the Finnish side looking south. Dividing fence is on the left. Note the cut tree line at the horizon. Photos to follow showing the two sides of the
      Jan 27, 2003 @ 21:38 - Craig Rowland (Craig Rowland <trehala@...>)
8794. Looking into Norway from BM343 (c. 1925)
      Fence in the background. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.
      Jan 27, 2003 @ 21:42 - Craig Rowland (Craig Rowland <trehala@...>)
8795. Looking into Finland from BM343
      __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
      Jan 27, 2003 @ 21:45 - Craig Rowland (Craig Rowland <trehala@...>)
8796. The border division starts here
      This is where the fence begins. After scrambling down the sandy cliff, I touched down onto the southern bank of the Tana River. I walked over to the FINO
      Jan 27, 2003 @ 21:50 - Craig Rowland (Craig Rowland <trehala@...>)
8797. Re: Hawaii
      ... i dont think i understand how can you believe they arent fragmented themselves when they both have maritime intervals that dwarf not only the 3 mile limits
      Jan 27, 2003 @ 22:29 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8798. Re: Northern Ireland (UK) -Republic Of Ireland Border
      ... There was a BBC documentary some months back concerning petrol smuggling. One part mentioned a large warehouse-sized shed on a farm in Ireland, which was
      Jan 27, 2003 @ 23:04 - rapidoeurope <rapidoeurope@yahoo.com> ("rapidoeurope <rapidoeurope@...>" <rapidoeurope@...>)
8799. Serbia and Montenegro
      Does somebody (Kevin?) know the ISO codes for Serbia and Montenegro as also Yugoslavia now is becoming history? Jan ... Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
      Jan 27, 2003 @ 23:17 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
8800. Re: FW: [BoundaryPoint] Northernmost Land Frontier
      I agree these large files overload my inbox...maybe smaller/lower resolution scans? ... __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?
      Jan 28, 2003 @ 01:44 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
8801. Croatian triangular water exclave (was)Re: Fulton County & other Childhood Finds
      ... Hiya, Do you (or anyone else) know the number of the original post concerning this? I m struggling to find it. (Post off-list if you like) Thanks. -Duncan
      Jan 28, 2003 @ 02:06 - rapidoeurope <rapidoeurope@yahoo.com> ("rapidoeurope <rapidoeurope@...>" <rapidoeurope@...>)
8802. Re: [BoundaryPoint] SMOM and Hawaii
      ... Indeed not. For example, anyone born in the UK Sovereign Base Areas on Cyprus are not automatically eligible for British citizenship, nor I believe those
      Jan 28, 2003 @ 07:35 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
8803. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Serbia and Montenegro
      Jan, ... AFAIK, it hasn t been decided. I m not 100% certain about this, but I believe that Serbia and Montenegro doesn t formally exist yet. I understand the
      Jan 28, 2003 @ 07:47 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
8804. Pics from LV-RU border + comments
      Dear boundary Pointers, Eastern European borders are of special interest these years due to the political changes in Europe and the enlargement of the E.U. -
      Jan 28, 2003 @ 10:05 - Peter Hering (Peter Hering <hering@...>)
8805. Croatian triangular water exclave (was)Re: Fulton County & other Childhood Finds
      ... ... am just ... message 4821 & look for area number 4 in the map provided in the top link but it may still be only a prospective rather
      Jan 28, 2003 @ 13:01 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8806. Group Membership
      I see that the group membership is 181 now. Didn t it used to be significantly higher, or am I confusing this group with a different one?
      Jan 28, 2003 @ 13:11 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
8807. Re: Pics from LV-RU border + comments
      ... indeed the greatest yet you must have finally found a maxivan could a double decker tour bus be far behind
      Jan 28, 2003 @ 13:15 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8808. Re: Group Membership
      ... be ... one? yikes it was 182 only yesterday but that was the most i ever noticed actually there are many duplicate memberships here tho so our true
      Jan 28, 2003 @ 13:23 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8809. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Group Membership
      ... From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 7:23 AM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Group Membership ... OK, I
      Jan 28, 2003 @ 13:26 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
8810. Re: Serbia and Montenegro
      ... but I ... right serbia & montenegro doesnt exist yet but of course serbia & montenegro do i think there is some official united nations inhibition about
      Jan 28, 2003 @ 14:08 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8811. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Group Membership
      Sounds like you might be confusing it with a different group. Bill ... From: John Seeliger [mailto:jseelige@aaahawk.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 8:12
      Jan 28, 2003 @ 14:23 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
8812. Re: The border division starts here
      ... that must have been quite a twinkle even if not quite the absolute extremist boundary point where the border actually does divide into distinct sectors &
      Jan 28, 2003 @ 15:29 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8813. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Hawaii
      I don t know if I quite agree with a state should be called fragmented if everyone s sea intervenes. It s almost the same as the Canadian islands that belong
      Jan 28, 2003 @ 15:55 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
8814. welcome joachim
      enjoyed & appreciated both your recent offerings ... recognized by ... of ... of ... so how does a country or an organization or institution get recognized as
      Jan 28, 2003 @ 16:07 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8815. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Croatian triangular water exclave (was)Re: Fulton County & other Childhood Finds
      ... -- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, rapidoeurope ... In this regard, would some sort of index be helpful? I have the same problem when trying to find an
      Jan 28, 2003 @ 16:15 - jparsell ("jparsell" <jparsell@...>)
8816. Re: [BoundaryPoint] welcome joachim
      Doesn t Sealand claim everyone s sea as their own territory? I know at least one of those crazy microstates do. There are various organizations (Red Cross is
      Jan 28, 2003 @ 16:40 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
8817. Re: Hawaii
      ... wrote: And ... well i think grant might join you nor would i disagree really if you guys would just go the whole hog & throw in the
      Jan 28, 2003 @ 17:13 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8818. Photos of FINO border (the Tana River)
      Hi BoundaryPointers ... Well, aside from me :-), you mean? I have photos of the FINO border, north of where the fence photo was taken. I have pics of the
      Jan 28, 2003 @ 17:42 - Craig <trehala@yahoo.com> ("Craig <trehala@...>" <trehala@...>)
8819. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Photos of FINO border (the Tana River)
      Craig, Not to worry...your photos are perfectly acceptable on BP. The last thing we want to do is discourage anyone from submitting boundary related photos.
      Jan 28, 2003 @ 17:59 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
8820. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Photos of FINO border (the Tana River)
      ....It s all right this way. Kind Regards, Jannis ... Van: Bill Hanrahan [mailto:hanrahan@kua.net] Verzonden: dinsdag 28 januari 2003 19:00 Aan:
      Jan 28, 2003 @ 18:33 - JC.Deeleman ("JC.Deeleman" <deeleman@concepts.nl>)
8821. New Border Ceuta/Espana and Marroc
      Hi, this is a pic from the new border Espana-Marroc in Africa. udo -- +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging & more http://www.gmx.net +++ NEU: Mit GMX ins Internet. Rund
      Jan 28, 2003 @ 19:10 - udomet@gmx.de (udomet@gmx.de)
8822. New Border Ceuta/Espana and Marroc
      ... -- +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging & more http://www.gmx.net +++ NEU: Mit GMX ins Internet. Rund um die Uhr für 1 ct/ Min. surfen!
      Jan 28, 2003 @ 19:12 - udomet@gmx.de (udomet@...)
8823. New Border Ceuta/Espana and Marroc
      Hi, sorry, the link is www.udel.edu/leipzig/060299/cuadro14.htm -- +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging & more http://www.gmx.net +++ NEU: Mit GMX ins Internet. Rund um
      Jan 28, 2003 @ 19:22 - udomet@gmx.de (udomet@...)
8824. Re: [BoundaryPoint] welcome joachim
      Arif, ... They only claim the usual 12 nautical miles around their platform. See http://www.sealandgov.com/history.html for more information. Regards, Kevin
      Jan 28, 2003 @ 19:27 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
8825. Re: New Border Ceuta/Espana and Marroc
      ... http://www.udel.edu/leipzig/060299/cuadro14.htm hi thats ok & please everybody note links evidently need the http prefix as amended above in order to be
      Jan 28, 2003 @ 20:00 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8826. RE: [BoundaryPoint] New Border Ceuta/Espana and Marroc
      Is it a neutral territory (green/white shaded area) we see between Morocco and Ceuta? Jan ... Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus
      Jan 28, 2003 @ 20:17 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
8827. Is this "country" still existing?
      http://www.globalpolicy.org/nations/sussex.htm
      Jan 28, 2003 @ 20:48 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
8828. Conch Republic
      By act of Congress we hold dual citizenship as Conchs and as Americans and will fight for the right to be both! When did Congress pass this act?
      Jan 28, 2003 @ 20:50 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
8829. Re: New Border Ceuta/Espana and Marroc
      ... between Morocco ... well the cartoon says nobodys land in spanish but neutral territory really means neithers land in latin such nobodys lands tho are a
      Jan 28, 2003 @ 21:29 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8830. Re: Conch Republic
      ... as Americans and will fight for the right to be both! ... some time after 1981 if it really did i thought the prawns were better than the conchs but the
      Jan 28, 2003 @ 21:48 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8831. Canal Zone Citizenship
      A recently published message mentioned John McCain and the Canal Zone. I wanted to only relay that, in the Army (in the 70s), and as a civilian employee of the
      Jan 29, 2003 @ 03:49 - L. A. Nadybal <lnadybal@comcast.net> ("L. A. Nadybal <lnadybal@...>" <lnadybal@...>)
8832. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Photos of FINO border (the Tana River)
      When scanning, set your resolution to 72dpi -- that s the resolution of computer monitors. That should help! Doug ... From: Bill Hanrahan To:
      Jan 29, 2003 @ 06:20 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
8833. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Is this "country" still existing?
      Excellent link! I wonder if this King Prawn looks like the Muppet King Prawn (and Long John Silver s spokesprawn) Pepe? Cheers, Doug ... From: John Seeliger
      Jan 29, 2003 @ 06:26 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
8834. re indexing
      jack craig &al ... post ... great idea & it certainly would be helpful tho it seems a bit like belling the cat an enormous undertaking & besides who is there
      Jan 29, 2003 @ 14:14 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8835. Re: re indexing
      alternatively can anyone say if it might be possible to hotwire our yahoo data base to a proper search engine ... art ... usual ... etc
      Jan 29, 2003 @ 14:47 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8836. Re: re indexing
      or better yet could we just secede from yahoo & take our country with us ... data ... posting. ... 84 ... materials ... of ... adding ... so ... make
      Jan 29, 2003 @ 14:51 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8837. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: re indexing
      ... From: To: Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 8:47 AM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: re indexing ... I had
      Jan 29, 2003 @ 15:07 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
8838. Ashurst Wood / PRAWNS (was) Re: Is this "country" still existing?
      ... It appears that whoever wrote that story, just doesn t know what they re talking about. I ll just correct it for them: A small village on the border
      Jan 29, 2003 @ 15:09 - rapidoeurope <rapidoeurope@yahoo.com> ("rapidoeurope <rapidoeurope@...>" <rapidoeurope@...>)
8839. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: re indexing
      ... From: John Seeliger To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: re indexing ... From:
      Jan 29, 2003 @ 15:17 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
8840. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Conch Republic
      I am pretty sure congress (at least US congress) didn t past an act to allow dual citizenship for the Conchs. Why would they? I read somewhere that this act
      Jan 29, 2003 @ 15:47 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
8841. Re: re indexing
      wow great news i think what do you think john what do you all think are there downsides as well as these upsides captain bill what say should we do it
      Jan 29, 2003 @ 15:56 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8842. Re: Conch Republic
      ... well message 8830 agrees with you ... everyones land but we are hardly micro
      Jan 29, 2003 @ 16:02 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8843. CAUS: Border Picture (ND-MB)
      This was in the National Post (Canada), Jan 28th edition. In an article about Canada s relationship with the USA, there was this wonderful picture of a very
      Jan 29, 2003 @ 17:24 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
8844. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: re indexing
      ... From: To: Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 9:56 AM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: re indexing ... I don t
      Jan 29, 2003 @ 17:29 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
8845. Re: re indexing
      john ... would create a ... people could read ... archive messages ... groups on gmane ... and subscribe to ... sounds great so far but i dont know what a
      Jan 29, 2003 @ 18:56 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8846. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: re indexing
      ... From: To: Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 12:56 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: re indexing ... If you
      Jan 29, 2003 @ 19:08 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
8847. An enclave ends its life
      The catalan government has deleted the provincial enclave of “les Rovires de Baix” since 26/11/2003. It was an enclave (3,31 km2 ) of Girona into
      Jan 29, 2003 @ 19:31 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
8848. Re: An enclave ends its life
      Sorry, It was since 26/11/2002. ... Marcel
      Jan 29, 2003 @ 20:21 - marcelmiquelcat <marcelmiquel@navegalia. ("marcelmiquelcat <marcelmiquel@...>" <marcelmiquel@...>)
8849. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Nagging questions
      Did anybody get any answers from anybody on this one yet? I came to think about angles. On the DEDK I find the treaty weak and discribes a more general line.
      Jan 29, 2003 @ 21:00 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8850. DEDK map
      Attached a small portion of the original official border map. The scan is from the divided village of Rudboel(DK)-Rosenkranz(DE). If you would like any scan of
      Jan 29, 2003 @ 21:07 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
8851. FINO northernmost point on land
      I am standing on the southern bank of the Tana River looking across to Norway. Norwegian territory is the northern bank and the right side of the bank I am
      Jan 29, 2003 @ 21:11 - Craig Rowland (Craig Rowland <trehala@...>)
8852. Re: [BoundaryPoint] DEDK map
      BM 245 and 246. http://www.geocities.com/mafiapetedk/borderdedk3b.html Jesper ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday,
      Jan 29, 2003 @ 21:17 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8853. Finland is due south
      I am standing on the Finnish jetty looking back at Finland. BM343 (the yellow-painted stone) is atop the cliff, with the FINO dividing fence to the left. The
      Jan 29, 2003 @ 21:20 - Craig Rowland (Craig Rowland <trehala@...>)
8854. Northern Norway
      In this photo, Norway occupies both banks of the Tana River. I am looking east from the shore at the point where I imagined the fence would be, if it extended
      Jan 29, 2003 @ 21:26 - Craig Rowland (Craig Rowland <trehala@...>)
8855. Finland and Norway occupy different riverbanks
      Now facing the other way, west, I snapped this pic of the Tana River s southern shore, which is Finland, and of the northern shore, which is Norway.
      Jan 29, 2003 @ 21:31 - Craig Rowland (Craig Rowland <trehala@...>)
8856. Cross the border by canoe or bicycle
      I am back on the cliff edge looking to the Tana River s Norwegian northern bank. Two canoeists, in the right, have just crossed into Norway.
      Jan 29, 2003 @ 21:36 - Craig Rowland (Craig Rowland <trehala@...>)
8857. Welcome to Nuorgam--again!
      One of my favourite pictures. Finland greeted me with rain, and a 45-km trip back to Utsjoki. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?
      Jan 29, 2003 @ 21:42 - Craig Rowland (Craig Rowland <trehala@...>)
8858. Anything to declare?
      This picture I skipped in my first scans. It is included here out of order. You see this sign as you pass Nuorgam village limits and are riding the 3 km to the
      Jan 29, 2003 @ 21:52 - Craig Rowland (Craig Rowland <trehala@...>)
8859. Re: Anything to declare?
      only that it sounds & looks very much like the canoeists may have actually passed thru or very near the northernmost point of fino which your photo of them
      Jan 29, 2003 @ 22:46 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8860. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: re indexing
      I m all for it...as long as we done lose anything (or at least, lose much) in the process...! Bill ... From: acroorca2002
      Jan 30, 2003 @ 00:06 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
8861. RE: [BoundaryPoint] CAUS: Border Picture (ND-MB)
      Doug, Essentially the same photo (although in color) appeared on the front page of USA Today about a year or so ago...still a nice shot though. Bill
      Jan 30, 2003 @ 00:09 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
8862. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: re indexing
      ... From: Bill Hanrahan To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 6:06 PM Subject: RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: re indexing I m all for
      Jan 30, 2003 @ 01:16 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
8863. Re: Finland-Russia border vista
      I can help you out here with Finnish-to-English translations but when I clicked on these links I got nowhere. Can anyone E me the original Finnish texts?
      Jan 30, 2003 @ 01:56 - Craig <trehala@yahoo.com> ("Craig <trehala@...>" <trehala@...>)
8864. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Finland-Russia border vista
      I already translated these pages from Finnish into English a few months ago, but I don t know what message it was in. Dallen ... From: Craig
      Jan 30, 2003 @ 03:20 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
8865. La Escondida, Coahuila
      RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Finland-Russia border vistaOne of the villages closest to the imfamous Coahuila-Nuevo Leon-San Luis Potosi-Zacatecas. This map
      Jan 30, 2003 @ 05:15 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
8866. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Anything to declare?
      Great pictures Craig. I would like to hear more about your bike touring. Perhaps one day we can have a Great European Border By Bike Expedition! I did a bike
      Jan 30, 2003 @ 07:54 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
8867. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CAUS: Border Picture (ND-MB)
      I wonder if it was just stock photography. I did a search for the location and photographer hoping to find a colour version -- but no luck. Doug ... From:
      Jan 30, 2003 @ 07:56 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
8868. bp roadrunner at large again beepbeep
      fellow beers & peers per dougs request in message 8739 for member locations i am descending now at last from the top of cream hill after an unusually long
      Jan 30, 2003 @ 12:59 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@hotmail.com>)
8869. Monaco Border marked?
      Does anyone know if the Monaco-France border is marked in any way? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus -
      Jan 30, 2003 @ 13:16 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
8870. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Monaco Border marked?
      see this excellent site http://www.nicolette.dk/borderbase/country.php?country=95 ... From: Ernst Stavro Blofeld [mailto:blofeld_es@yahoo.com] Sent: 30 January
      Jan 30, 2003 @ 14:09 - Bill Burke ("Bill Burke" <bill@...>)
8871. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Monaco Border marked?
      Yes it is. I posted photos of it about a year ago. Quite fascinating. Dallen ... From: Ernst Stavro Blofeld [mailto:blofeld_es@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday,
      Jan 30, 2003 @ 14:53 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
8872. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Monaco Border marked?
      RE: [BoundaryPoint] Monaco Border marked?A border marker can be seen at http://www.nicolette.dk/borderbase/border.php?c1=95&c2=50. But how many are they? Are
      Jan 30, 2003 @ 20:12 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8873. Journal article on Baarle and Cooch Behar
      An article of mine comparing Cooch Behar s enclaves with those at Baarle has just been published: Whyte, B R (2002), Bordering on the Ridiculous? A comparison
      Jan 30, 2003 @ 22:18 - b.whyte@pgrad.unimelb.edu.au (b.whyte@...)
8874. hunterdon county library beepbeep
      a ridiculous day 1 i had & figured by now you guys would have long since bagged maxicosmic message number 8888 but what great news anyway that there may be
      Jan 30, 2003 @ 23:30 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8875. Old Monaco-Savoie border markers
      http://bornes.frontieres.free.fr/menton/planche.htm Did you know this site? Le but de ce site est de répertorier, positionner et présenter les anciennes
      Jan 31, 2003 @ 00:17 - quadernet <quadernet@yahoo.com> ("quadernet <quadernet@...>" <quadernet@...>)
8876. Re: Monaco Border marked?
      When I was there in the 1970s, there were white lines drawn across the streets, but no border posts at any place or along the side of the streets where the
      Jan 31, 2003 @ 00:34 - L. A. Nadybal <lnadybal@comcast.net> ("L. A. Nadybal <lnadybal@...>" <lnadybal@...>)
8877. Interim Postage Stamps for the Kleinwalsertal & Jungholz
      Last week, without announcement, the Austrian post finally took care of the fact that the Kleinwalsertal and Jungholz had no stamps in stock to pay the odd
      Jan 31, 2003 @ 00:43 - L. A. Nadybal <lnadybal@comcast.net> ("L. A. Nadybal <lnadybal@...>" <lnadybal@...>)
8878. beepbeep from kent county library
      day 2 no news is good news this state has no tricounty points
      Jan 31, 2003 @ 18:14 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8879. Border Thailand-kampuchea
      Since yesterday is the border thailand-kampuchea closed. Cause: trouble against thailand in kampuchea. Udo -- +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging & more
      Jan 31, 2003 @ 18:37 - udomet@gmx.de (udomet@...)
8880. Ukraine - Moldovan border (incl. Palanca)
      This was in the news from RFE/RL 28 January 2003 ________________ Christian Berghänel Sweden ... This was in the news from RFE/RL 28 January 2003
      Jan 31, 2003 @ 15:42 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
8881. Re: Anything to declare?
      Craig - Great pics! I love the multiple angles...one question I have was about the sketch...I went back looking in the archives for the mail where you had the
      Jan 31, 2003 @ 23:18 - Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@yahoo.com> ("Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>" <mikekaufman79@...>)
8882. RE: [BoundaryPoint] beepbeep from kent county library
      ... From: acroorca2002 [mailto:orc@orcoast.com] Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 1:15 PM To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Subject:
      Feb 01, 2003 @ 02:01 - jparsell ("jparsell" <jparsell@...>)
8883. roxboro was Re: beepbeep from kent county library
      hey jack bravo & thanx for finally coughing up a fresh megapoint but while md is my favorite state except for moldova of course i wasnt in or even talking
      Feb 01, 2003 @ 16:44 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8884. North-South Korea
      Here s an interesting BBC news story about the North-South Korean border, wich just open to cross-border train traffic. A couple of photos too.
      Feb 01, 2003 @ 23:02 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
8885. greenville
      back in the appellation mountains again for night 3 or at least nominally at their feet to be most precise but also in a small city as it happens likewise well
      Feb 02, 2003 @ 01:12 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8886. Poland-Germany (Gorlitz-Zgorzelec)
      Here s the link to a nice little (American) National Public Radio item on the Polish-German divided city of Gorlitz/Zgorzelec -- and how Poland s entry into
      Feb 02, 2003 @ 03:19 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
8887. Île Verte
      From _Saint Pierre and Miquelon_ by William F. Rannie, 1972, 4th ed., Chapter Two, The Smaller Islands :
      Feb 02, 2003 @ 03:30 - Craig <trehala@yahoo.com> ("Craig <trehala@...>" <trehala@...>)
8888. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Île Verte
      ... Yes, I am very interested to see this map. Plese scan it for us all. The higher the resolution, the better, if you ask me. If you think the file will be
      Feb 02, 2003 @ 07:51 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
8889. Re: Île Verte
      bravo mats message 8888 yes you did it bravo craig too tho i think that book predates the cafr treaty so i cant imagine what news it will bring on this
      Feb 02, 2003 @ 13:28 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8890. Re: Île Verte
      correction that book may just be a few months older than the treaty so lets see that scan & all those who cant swim should run for the chandelier
      Feb 02, 2003 @ 13:57 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8891. Re: Île Verte
      i mean the treaty may be older than the book so lets see it is close but i still think we are only talking about a metaboundary here rather than a real land
      Feb 02, 2003 @ 14:03 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8892. Condominium Island
      In Basque Country, in the middle of the Bidassoa river, the tiny Konpantzia (in basque), Île de l’hôpital or Île-des-Faisans (in french), Isla de
      Feb 02, 2003 @ 15:42 - quadernet (quadernet <quadernet@yahoo.com>)
8893. Re: North-South Korea
      ... border, ... too. ... Great stuff, Dallen! This must be one of the most interesting border crossings... Well, I remember you suggesting a joint trip to this
      Feb 02, 2003 @ 16:46 - Peter Hering <hering@mail.dk> ("Peter Hering <hering@...>" <hering@...>)
8894. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: North-South Korea
      The GKBE (Great Korean Border Expedition) -- sounds like a great idea. I m in! The decade is full of border crossings! 2001: GCEBE 2002: GEEBE 2003: GBBE
      Feb 02, 2003 @ 17:10 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
8895. Re: Poland-German Border (Görlitz-Zgorzelec)
      Hallo, Pictures from the border Poland-Germany, taken in 2002, will be submitted shortly. They cover the German railway line between the divided city of
      Feb 02, 2003 @ 19:16 - udomet@gmx.de (udomet@...)
8896. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Île Verte
      I agree that if there was a real boundary, there would be some sort of trivia in the government web pages. Hey, AUSLIG lists Boundary Islet and that s not even
      Feb 02, 2003 @ 21:22 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
8897. New poll for BoundaryPoint
      Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the BoundaryPoint group: Which of these is (or is closest to) your favourite geographical point/area? o
      Feb 03, 2003 @ 12:49 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com (BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com )
8898. RE: Île Verte
      Below are some extracts from the analysis of the Canada-France maritime boundary in the American Society of International Law s authoritative series
      Feb 03, 2003 @ 15:25 - Martin Pratt ("Martin Pratt" <m.a.pratt@...>)
8899. Re: New poll for BoundaryPoint
      is that you at it again bill kudos if so for the wacky idea & execution from me & moultrie colquitt county library on day 5 beepbeep being a mobile unit i will
      Feb 03, 2003 @ 18:12 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8900. cafrhomo
      jack glad i slowed down long enough to check out cafrhomo at topozone highly recommended fun looks like it may have the narrowest sliver slice in the world
      Feb 03, 2003 @ 18:31 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8901. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: New poll for BoundaryPoint
      Nope, not guilty! ... From: acroorca2002 [mailto:orc@orcoast.com] Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 1:12 PM To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
      Feb 03, 2003 @ 23:43 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
8902. alflga & ellicott mound try prolonged
      tho i had visited alflga twice previously many years ago as well as i could in the days before it was monumented 3 retries made today to find the 2year old
      Feb 04, 2003 @ 01:39 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8903. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: New poll for BoundaryPoint
      Who ever was guilty should have included Jungholz. Jesper ... From: Bill Hanrahan To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 12:43 AM
      Feb 04, 2003 @ 05:44 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8904. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: New poll for BoundaryPoint
      Ok, ok - it was me! I am very sorry, should of course have included it, but if I change it now I am afraid that the poll will be reset. Maybe you can vote
      Feb 04, 2003 @ 15:13 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
8905. SeptiPoint?
      For those of you who do not think having a web page matters. I bring up what happened to me today. I just received a message from Mr Hans Harlen, who
      Feb 04, 2003 @ 18:48 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@yahoo.com>)
8906. Re: SeptiPoint?
      http://www.lpv.fi/lsk/kohteet_htm/1712.htm ? (I don t read Finnish, but this might be the one. We do have Finnish- speaking BP ers don t we?) Peter S.
      Feb 04, 2003 @ 18:58 - Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com> ("Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>" <smaardijk@...>)
8907. Re: SeptiPoint?
      Another pic at: http://www.ylane.fi/Nahtavyydet.html marcel ... Finnish-
      Feb 04, 2003 @ 19:20 - marcelmiquelcat <marcelmiquel@navegalia. ("marcelmiquelcat <marcelmiquel@...>" <marcelmiquel@...>)
8908. Re: SeptiPoint?
      I think I m right. The spot is known as Kuhankuonon rajakivi, where Kuhankuono is the name of the area, and rajakivi is (acc. to my dictionary) a boundary
      Feb 04, 2003 @ 19:22 - Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com> ("Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>" <smaardijk@...>)
8909. I go for Baarle !
      Dear BP members - great idea about a poll ! Attached two Baarle pix - to me it IS the greatest border place ...surprise? So don t ask what I ve voted... :-)
      Feb 04, 2003 @ 19:42 - Peter Hering (Peter Hering <hering@mail.dk>)
8910. Re: SeptiPoint?
      Yes, Marcel, you have beaten me at it! :-) Another map at http://www.lpk.partio.fi/v-sp/krr/kuvat/kartat/kuhis4.jpg Peter S.
      Feb 04, 2003 @ 19:50 - Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com> ("Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>" <smaardijk@...>)
8911. octopoint? Translation
      KULTTUURIYMPÄRISTÖOHJELMA: LISÄTIETOJA: Kuhankuono on historiallisesti merkittävä kahdeksan eri kunnan (Aura, Masku, Mynämäki, Nousiainen, Pöytyä,
      Feb 04, 2003 @ 20:11 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
8912. Re: octopoint? Translation
      Wow! you were near a rare octo- (or something like that) point and you missed it? That s too bad. Then again, I didn t know about the Cooch Behar enclave
      Feb 04, 2003 @ 20:30 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
8913. Re: octopoint? Translation
      Arif Samad wrote: (...)Anyway, what s up with the eighth commune? Did it disappear, because the eigth line seems to be different in my map, plus it does not
      Feb 04, 2003 @ 21:02 - Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com> ("Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>" <smaardijk@...>)
8914. zavikon int'l bridge
      Smallest international bridge in the world, connecting Canada and US at the Thousand Islands...Does anyone know if this is open to the public? Has anyone
      Feb 04, 2003 @ 21:08 - Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@yahoo.com> ("Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>" <mikekaufman79@...>)
8915. Adios, Yugoslavia...
      ...and welcome, Serbia and Montenegro Maybe in 3 years or so we can all stand on the Serb-Mont. internal boundary at the official moment when it becomes an
      Feb 04, 2003 @ 22:15 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
8916. Re: octopoint? Translation
      fantasticos i knew it was lurking out there somewhere the ancient knockout hatted oktapoint of oktahatko the new ranking global maxipoint plus the new ranking
      Feb 04, 2003 @ 23:03 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8917. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Adios, Yugoslavia...
      ... From: Michael Kaufman To: Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 4:15 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint]
      Feb 04, 2003 @ 23:25 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
8918. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Adios, Yugoslavia...
      From what I ve seen, Montenegrin (aka Serbo-Croatian)evolved from an old Slavic language and is related to Serbian, Croat, and Bosnian (all of which fell under
      Feb 05, 2003 @ 04:14 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
8919. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Adios, Yugoslavia...
      Thats a great idea Mike. Or even better, by one of the tripoints- Now the poor Serbs once again have to change the initials on the border markers. I wonder
      Feb 05, 2003 @ 05:17 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8920. Re: [BoundaryPoint] zavikon int'l bridge
      Great place. By making the bridge the small island upgrades it status from island to island AND pene enclave, doesn t it? The discussion on the world smalles
      Feb 05, 2003 @ 05:22 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8921. Re: [BoundaryPoint] zavikon int'l bridge
      Where is the bridge on Topozone? http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=18&n=4905339&e=411394&s=25 Jesper ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
      Feb 05, 2003 @ 05:53 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8922. Re: SPAM: [BoundaryPoint] Re: SeptiPoint?
      The Finnish text says this border marker is shared by those 8 municipalities given in parentheses. Rolf
      Feb 05, 2003 @ 07:05 - Rolf Palmberg (Rolf Palmberg <rpalmber@...>)
8923. Re: Monaco Border marked?
      ... I m surprised there even are any. When I was there last time in 1991 I tried to find the border on purpose in one of the suburbs up the mountain using a
      Feb 05, 2003 @ 15:16 - anorak222 <listen@wschwanke.de> ("anorak222 <listen@...>" <listen@...>)
8924. carrabelle
      apalachicola was ship shape last nite & today the precious last drink of the appellations to the original spanish perhaps merely the tail of the apalachee the
      Feb 05, 2003 @ 16:08 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8925. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Adios, Yugoslavia...
      I wonder what the internet designation will be? No more .YU? Doug ... From: Michael Kaufman To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003
      Feb 05, 2003 @ 19:28 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
8926. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Adios, Yugoslavia...
      I was asking about this on 28 Jan, but it seem that the world did not see what the Serbians, the Montenegrians and I saw so clear ;-)))) Jan ... From: Doug
      Feb 06, 2003 @ 07:51 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
8927. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Adios, Yugoslavia...
      Jan, ... The country code is still .yu. I haven t seen any mention of a new code in the ISO 3166 bulletin, which is not surprising as the new country name has
      Feb 06, 2003 @ 12:25 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
8928. Re: Adios, Yugoslavia...
      citrus county library ok all you visionaries meanwhile nothing has changed maybe they can buy the sc domain from seychelles isnt seychelles going to disappear
      Feb 06, 2003 @ 14:38 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8929. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Adios, Yugoslavia...
      Mike, ... Unfortunately not. CS was the code for the former Czechoslovakia and I believe is still on the list of reserved codes along with BU - Burma, NT -
      Feb 06, 2003 @ 14:45 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
8930. Re: Monaco Border marked?
      ah but is it really any wonder to find such a distinguished jewel in so practically seamless a setting a few pavement changes & some principality &
      Feb 06, 2003 @ 14:55 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8931. Re: octopoint? Translation
      ... wrote: can you or anyone confirm or bust this clave report for upon it of course hinges the question of whether we
      Feb 06, 2003 @ 15:17 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8932. Re: octopoint? Translation
      more importantly on this clave question hinges the very name of the octapoint itself in beepyese because the ma diglyph might then drop out of aumamynopotuvayl
      Feb 06, 2003 @ 15:52 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8933. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: octopoint? Translation
      ... I have attached three pictures from http://opaskartta.turku.fi The red ring on the ortophoto (octoortophoto :) is where the point seems to be located.
      Feb 06, 2003 @ 15:57 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@yahoo.com>)
8934. Re: Île Verte
      ... maritime ... authoritative ... running ... comment ... fixed ... islets ... suggests to ... it also seems to me to confirm that this is a purely maritime
      Feb 06, 2003 @ 16:32 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8935. Re: Condominium Island
      thanx for this new understanding the fact that this portion of the esfr condo is actually a time share rather than a simultaneous sharing of territory
      Feb 06, 2003 @ 16:53 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8936. Re: Île Verte
      yes craig & mats still wondering excitedly how this try is coming & whether this might be the same map as the chart martin mentioned & whether we will be able
      Feb 06, 2003 @ 17:01 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8937. Re: octopoint? Translation
      thanx i guess i needed that translation too still wondering about my question tho nice also how the 8888 & oktahatko search coincided with the octapoint too
      Feb 06, 2003 @ 17:13 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8938. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Adios, Yugoslavia...
      Tourist visa from a historic country. Just 7 months old. Jesper
      Feb 06, 2003 @ 19:38 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
8939. Re: Adios, Yugoslavia...
      ah well kevin but then why didnt you say ghosts could keep their glyphs in the first place in that case it is hard to imagine any improvement ever on yu for
      Feb 06, 2003 @ 21:11 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8940. Re: Adios, Yugoslavia...
      ... It s Italian for Black Mountain , but the local language is Slavic considered a dialect of Serbo-Croatian. (Now, for political reasons, all former
      Feb 06, 2003 @ 21:19 - anorak222 <listen@wschwanke.de> ("anorak222 <listen@...>" <listen@...>)
8941. narrowest sliver slice bested again
      ... apologies especially to jack who brought it in but the cafrhomo slice is apparently only 6 or 7 degrees & so it outshrinks even the octapoint in this
      Feb 06, 2003 @ 21:23 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8942. Re: re indexing
      well it was silly of me to entertain this so hard & then to also run away so hard almost at the same time but at this point upon further disclosures by john &
      Feb 06, 2003 @ 21:43 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8943. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: re indexing
      This would not be difficult to create or affect the currently existing Yahoo! group. As to whether older messages could be imported, someone would have to
      Feb 06, 2003 @ 22:02 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
8944. Re: Adios, Yugoslavia...
      ... considered a dialect of Serbo-Croatian. (Now, for political reasons, all former dialects of S-C are considered languages ). ... territories all over the
      Feb 06, 2003 @ 22:12 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8945. RE: [BoundaryPoint] narrowest sliver slice bested again
      The sliver in MD is Montgomery County. At a half mile out from the quad-point it is only about 300 feet wide. Jack ... From: acroorca2002
      Feb 07, 2003 @ 03:52 - jparsell ("jparsell" <jparsell@...>)
8946. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Adios, Yugoslavia...
      Mike, ... In theory, they re only reserved for five years and then returned to the pool (former countries are permanently listed in ISO 3166-3 with a
      Feb 07, 2003 @ 08:29 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
8947. Int'l bridges -EUR + America
      Thanks Mike for this great contribution: the very cute wooden bridge in the Thous. Isl. Lake betw. the US and CAN. To me it can t be the smallest bridge
      Feb 07, 2003 @ 12:29 - Peter Hering (Peter Hering <hering@mail.dk>)
8948. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Condominium Island
      This island is between Hendaye and Irun, just off the main Basque crossing (1-2 k) between France and Spain. Well worth a visit, I stop and rest on my annual
      Feb 07, 2003 @ 14:47 - Bill Burke ("Bill Burke" <bill@...>)
8949. Re: Condominium Island
      ... (...)Does anyone have any more information/ photos on this subject??????????????? The island has been extensively discussed here since msg. 1481. Just
      Feb 07, 2003 @ 15:04 - Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com> ("Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>" <smaardijk@...>)
8950. Re: Condominium Island
      ... Just ... right but never before had we gotten into the condominial nitty gritty & now we even learn of a further variation upon the variable regime
      Feb 07, 2003 @ 15:38 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8951. Re: Int'l bridges -EUR + America
      i think you shortest &or longest bridgers are sillier than us narrowest sliver slicers so all the more power to your quests of course you wont even hear of
      Feb 07, 2003 @ 16:13 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8952. Re: Condominium Island
      ... I was just trying to help. Did I miss this variation? The six months terms were also discussed (msg. 1488). Peter S.
      Feb 07, 2003 @ 16:22 - Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com> ("Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>" <smaardijk@...>)
8953. Re: Condominium Island
      ... it. ... regime ... months ... indeed peter you are a great help as always the further variation we enjoyed this morning was in msg 8948 re the midway split
      Feb 07, 2003 @ 17:01 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8954. Re: Condominium Island
      ... ... 1481. ... about ... I don t think there ever was a royal wedding on the island. Just Louis XIV picking up his bride here (from her father).
      Feb 07, 2003 @ 17:14 - Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com> ("Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>" <smaardijk@...>)
8955. Re: Condominium Island
      ... gritty ... a ... ok you win it splits only for a marriage & not for a wedding but i still enjoyed this & all the other data presented by bill firsthand as
      Feb 07, 2003 @ 17:34 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8956. Re: Île Verte
      martin can you or anyone explain what is meant by the enclave in the following unexpurgated text of message 8898 which however i have interrupted below just to
      Feb 07, 2003 @ 17:43 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8957. Re: Adios, Yugoslavia...
      And who would have an .su domain? ... to the ... nowadays. ... just won t
      Feb 07, 2003 @ 23:38 - Karolis B. <kbajoraz@yahoo.com> ("Karolis B. <kbajoraz@...>" <kbajoraz@...>)
8958. three hectare yugoslavia?...
      http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2739211.stm
      Feb 08, 2003 @ 00:15 - timothykiser <timothykiser@hotmail.com> ("timothykiser <timothykiser@...>" <timothykiser@...>)
8959. Re: three hectare yugoslavia?...
      ... Just like the tiny principality of San Marino, within Italy. principality of San Marino, Russian enclave of Kaliningrad, Space shuttle Columbia
      Feb 08, 2003 @ 05:54 - Karolis B. <kbajoraz@yahoo.com> ("Karolis B. <kbajoraz@...>" <kbajoraz@...>)
8960. Re: octopoint? Translation
      really i am astonished everyone has zoned out so easily on this global maxipoint apparent besides the line of curiosity mentioned below & the other earlier
      Feb 08, 2003 @ 14:53 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8961. Re: octopoint? Translation
      well i have at least found what appears to be a locator map http://www.varsinais-suomi.fi/seutu/kuhan & have also just learned that finland has counties so if
      Feb 08, 2003 @ 15:28 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8962. Re: octopoint? Translation
      the statoids pages by gwillim law which are usually pretty good indicate finland was recently reorganized & is now subdivided as follows provinces regions
      Feb 08, 2003 @ 16:01 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8963. On CAUS
      http://www.craigmarlatt.com/craig/canada/canada&the_world/canada&us_border.html
      Feb 08, 2003 @ 18:15 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8964. triple ghost bubbles discovered
      lovers of the kentucky bend exclave aka the bubble may be interested to know there was once a comparable yet multiple situation along the switchbacks of the
      Feb 08, 2003 @ 19:36 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8965. Soviet domain (was Re: Adios, Yugoslavia...)
      Karlis, ... They are still some users from the old Soviet Union days, but the domain is also popular with many of the Central Asian countries for some reason.
      Feb 08, 2003 @ 19:39 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
8966. hemidemisemienclave
      New South Wales governor Macquarie hailed from the Isle of Mull in Scotland. He is buried there, in a small vault in a small stone-walled field. This tomb is
      Feb 09, 2003 @ 03:47 - b.whyte@pgrad.unimelb.edu.au (b.whyte@...)
8967. TZUG
      Brownlie in the news: http://allafrica.com/stories/200302040546.htm
      Feb 09, 2003 @ 18:52 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8968. Re: octopoint? Translation
      A sextenary octapoint? Interesting. We never go any higher than four in either word generally, do we? A rigid sixth-order division to me would be about as
      Feb 09, 2003 @ 20:03 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
8969. Colonies
      three questions not directly on topic 1) I know this was discussed before, but there were so many messages that it is kind of hard to find it in the archive.
      Feb 10, 2003 @ 03:14 - Karolis B. <kbajoraz@yahoo.com> ("Karolis B. <kbajoraz@...>" <kbajoraz@...>)
8970. Re: Île Verte
      I assume that the enclave in question is SP&M as a whole, although it s certainly not clear from the context. It s a term introduced by the commentator in
      Feb 10, 2003 @ 08:43 - Martin Pratt <m.a.pratt@durham.ac.uk> ("Martin Pratt <m.a.pratt@...>" <m.a.pratt@...>)
8971. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Colonies
      Karolis, ... The following overseas territories are technically part the EU. However, in the case of the Aaland Islands, Guernsey, Jersey and the Canary
      Feb 10, 2003 @ 10:12 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
8972. Re: Condominium Island
      acroorca2002 wrote: ok you win That isn t the point. I did miss this remark about the split, then when you mentioned it thought about it, and although I may
      Feb 10, 2003 @ 13:44 - Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com> ("Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>" <smaardijk@...>)
8973. Re: octopoint? Translation
      ... Have you noticed the little logo they are using? Peter S.
      Feb 10, 2003 @ 14:23 - Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com> ("Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>" <smaardijk@...>)
8974. Re: Condominium Island
      peter ... example, ... the ... the ... this ... probably because it is so negligible in practical terms it never comes up tho maybe it hasnt even been noticed
      Feb 10, 2003 @ 15:40 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8975. Re: Colonies
      kevin ... i dont get the answer but then again i didnt understand the question either do you perhaps mean that the eezs projected from these island groups
      Feb 10, 2003 @ 15:54 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8976. Re: TZUG
      ... link has evidently expired but can you give us the skinny anyway from memory
      Feb 10, 2003 @ 15:56 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8977. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Colonies
      Mike, ... The above is what I meant, although my terminology was unfortunately inaccurate. I believe the likes of the Canary Islands, the Azores and Madeira
      Feb 10, 2003 @ 16:02 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
8978. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: TZUG
      Tanzania, uganda in fresh border dispute over a damaged boundary beacon By FAUSTINE RWAMBALI THE EASTAFRICAN TANZANIA AND Uganda are once again quarrelling
      Feb 10, 2003 @ 16:28 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8979. Link for the US tp freaks
      http://highpointers.org/ok0/fv17.htm
      Feb 10, 2003 @ 16:53 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8980. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Link for the US tp freaks
      And another http://www.triskele.com/gallery/roadtrip2k2a.html ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 5:53
      Feb 10, 2003 @ 16:56 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8981. Re: octopoint? Translation
      ... yes nice touch reminded me of our glhemaokpa buoy & that was really all i had to go on in view of my nonexistent finnish
      Feb 10, 2003 @ 17:19 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8982. orders of government
      Arif asked about hierarchies of government. Take India: 1 county 2 state 3 division 4 district 5 subdivision 6 police station 7 union 8 village That s 8! And
      Feb 10, 2003 @ 22:27 - b.whyte@pgrad.unimelb.edu.au (b.whyte@...)
8983. Re: Colonies
      Whow, that s one heck of a good set of answers. Thanks, Kevin! ... yes, of course, and why make that absurd discussion, when you know the answer in the first
      Feb 10, 2003 @ 22:40 - Karolis B. <kbajoraz@yahoo.com> ("Karolis B. <kbajoraz@...>" <kbajoraz@...>)
8984. Re: octopoint? Translation
      ... well i think we have seen a quintenary or sextenary quintipoint in france which may have been the previous record holder if you are marvelling at both
      Feb 10, 2003 @ 22:49 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8985. Re: Colonies
      ... However, in ... Islands, ... territories) ... Guernsey, ... of the EU. OK, therefore, besides discussed Northernmost EU point, others are not so clear.
      Feb 11, 2003 @ 06:00 - Karolis B. <kbajoraz@yahoo.com> ("Karolis B. <kbajoraz@...>" <kbajoraz@...>)
8986. NL-enclave in Canada!
      Thanks Jesper, for your excellent link on the US-CA border, message # 8963. It s a comprehensive link that covers many aspects of this great boundary...
      Feb 11, 2003 @ 08:01 - Peter Hering (Peter Hering <hering@...>)
8987. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Colonies
      ... I believe Europa Island is a dependency of Reunion, and is thus technically part of the EU. ... Only the French part of course ;-) The Dutch part isn t in
      Feb 11, 2003 @ 08:55 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
8988. Re: Colonies
      Kevin Meynell wrote: I believe Europa Island is a dependency of Reunion, and is thus technically part of the EU. Not acc. to this French site:
      Feb 11, 2003 @ 09:07 - Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com> ("Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>" <smaardijk@...>)
8989. Re: NL-enclave in Canada!
      Peter Hering wrote: (...)a Dutch enclave - just a room in a hospital - read the story!: www.craigmarlatt.com/craig/canada/provinces&territories/netherlands.ht
      Feb 11, 2003 @ 09:42 - Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com> ("Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>" <smaardijk@...>)
8990. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: NL-enclave in Canada!
      if it was a room on any floor above the ground, it would be an unique enclave, how would you experts classify that? Surround on all sides and underneath!!!!!
      Feb 11, 2003 @ 09:58 - Bill Burke ("Bill Burke" <bill@...>)
8991. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: NL-enclave in Canada!
      And where is the border? Inside walls, outside walls, or probably not defined? Jesper ... From: Bill Burke To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday,
      Feb 11, 2003 @ 10:15 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
8992. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: NL-enclave in Canada!
      Could this be called a GOLDFISH BOWL ENCAVE??????? ... From: Jesper Nielsen [mailto:jesniel@image.dk] Sent: 11 February 2003 10:15 To:
      Feb 11, 2003 @ 10:20 - Bill Burke ("Bill Burke" <bill@...>)
8993. Re: Île Verte
      thanx martin it makes sense that long eez tube is after all barely enclaved in the canadian eez isnt is also doug as you are actively seeking the right map
      Feb 11, 2003 @ 15:10 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8994. Re: Colonies
      easy pal & help yourself to a little clarity but there is no sin or blame here btw you got the wrong term wrong too
      Feb 11, 2003 @ 15:21 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8995. Re: Colonies
      oops i apologize i was being rushed off my computer here in paradise i meant to say you didnt even get the wrong term right it was meant as a joke & clearly i
      Feb 11, 2003 @ 15:47 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
8996. IRAQ-KUWAIT
      cool pics of the line http://www.un.org/Photos/kuwait.htm __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for
      Feb 12, 2003 @ 06:24 - Victor Cantore (Victor Cantore <drpotatoes@...>)
8997. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: NL-enclave in Canada!
      This sounds like a temporary transfer of territory for a period of 1 day (?). I don t feel that this sounds so sensationally as I think I somewhere have heard
      Feb 12, 2003 @ 10:23 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
8998. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: NL-enclave in Canada!
      This link is giving slightly another view on this topic: http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Juliana_of_the_Netherlands This page states that the parliament
      Feb 12, 2003 @ 10:47 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
8999. RE: [BoundaryPoint] NL-enclave in Canada!
      Jan, ... I discovered my Dutch boss is familiar with this story and he seems to remember the whole hospital was declared part of the Netherlands. The reason
      Feb 12, 2003 @ 11:06 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
9000. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Adios, Yugoslavia...
      Found this on the ISO website at: http://www.iso.org/iso/en/prods-services/iso3166ma/01whats-new/2003-02-06_statement_yu.html ... The ISO 3166 Maintenance
      Feb 12, 2003 @ 11:13 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
9001. Re: octopoint? Translation
      ... I think this differs, but in Germany they are. ... This is something that couldn t happen here. ... They don t necessarily all have to tax. Again example
      Feb 12, 2003 @ 17:06 - anorak222 <listen@wschwanke.de> ("anorak222 <listen@...>" <listen@...>)
9002. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: octopoint? Translation
      ... From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 11:06 AM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: octopoint?
      Feb 12, 2003 @ 17:56 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
9003. IQJO(SA)
      Here is a nice map of IQJO http://www.1uptravel.com/worldmaps/iraq18.html Why is the defacto border different? Here is the boundary study:
      Feb 12, 2003 @ 18:54 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9004. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: North-South Korea
      ... From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 10:46 AM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: North-South Korea ...
      Feb 12, 2003 @ 20:28 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
9005. Boundary line change may have affected crabbers detected in Russia
      http://www.peninsulaclarion.com/stories/013103/ala_013103ala0010001.shtml Boundary line change may have affected crabbers detected in Russia KODIAK (AP) -- A
      Feb 12, 2003 @ 20:53 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
9006. Re: Boundary line change may have affected crabbers detected in Russia
      That must be the effect of the adoption of the Baker-Shevardnadze compromise in 1991... See msg. 6900 Peter S. ...
      Feb 12, 2003 @ 21:19 - Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com> ("Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>" <smaardijk@...>)
9007. Re: IQJO(SA)
      The de facto boundary is new to me, and I just found at http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=178 that Ruwayshid is a Jordanian air force base... But as there
      Feb 12, 2003 @ 21:59 - Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com> ("Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>" <smaardijk@...>)
9008. Qld/NSW boundary
      A brief overview of the resurveying of the Qld/NSW boundary to locate the original surveyor s pegs, can be found at
      Feb 13, 2003 @ 05:32 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <b.whyte@...>)
9009. Re: IQJO(SA)
      ... yes 1 de jure & 1 de facto nice sliver slice too but does it count now reporting in from big pine key library having just resurfaced from a tear on the
      Feb 13, 2003 @ 16:10 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
9010. Re: IQJO(SA)
      ... ... had to run out to the truck for my protractor anyway & measuring in at only about 5 degrees of arc this sliver slice undercuts even the
      Feb 13, 2003 @ 18:16 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
9011. Re: Boundary line change may have affected crabbers detected in Russia
      it is common to crab about someone elses crabbers in ones own waters but it sounds to me like the usa is striking this unusual blow against its own crabbers in
      Feb 13, 2003 @ 19:02 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
9012. Can this be a tp?
      http://www.virtualtourist.com/m/4b0e7/7fc/4/?o=1&i=2#T Jesper
      Feb 13, 2003 @ 21:51 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9013. Re: Can this be a tp?
      Don t think so. http://www.alphalima.co.uk/viet.html Peter S.
      Feb 13, 2003 @ 21:56 - Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com> ("Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>" <smaardijk@...>)
9014. from the turnpoints of my geometric heart
      happy valentines all & can anyone account for the peculiar oscillation of the road & canal running generally north&south & depicted just right of center in
      Feb 14, 2003 @ 15:28 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
9015. Re: [BoundaryPoint] from the turnpoints of my geometric heart
      Thanks dear. happy valentines all
      Feb 14, 2003 @ 15:59 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9016. Re: re indexing
      I just found this thread about indexing the archive. Some points: 1. Yahoo is good for what it does, and free. It only lacks a good search functin, but it s
      Feb 14, 2003 @ 17:14 - anorak222 <listen@wschwanke.de> ("anorak222 <listen@...>" <listen@...>)
9017. no dual citizenship for conchs
      just had the pleasure of chatting with the eminent resident florida & local history research librarian here at the key west library & he has a conch republic
      Feb 14, 2003 @ 17:51 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
9018. Re: NL-enclave in Canada!
      Aren t you mixing terms up in your comments? I don t think what we have here is a transfer of territory, but a transfer of sovereignty over a piece of
      Feb 14, 2003 @ 23:41 - L. A. Nadybal <lnadybal@comcast.net> ("L. A. Nadybal <lnadybal@...>" <lnadybal@...>)
9019. Re: NL-enclave in Canada!
      ... Not really. Hauptstadt / Capital is a political function which has to be declared somehow (e.g. by law), even though nobody seems to be able to define it
      Feb 15, 2003 @ 12:27 - anorak222 <listen@wschwanke.de> ("anorak222 <listen@...>" <listen@...>)
9020. Re: [BoundaryPoint] NL-enclave in Canada!
      ... Both the capital and seat of government is Canberra, although it s certainly not the biggest city or financial centre of Australia. However, that applies
      Feb 15, 2003 @ 14:37 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
9021. Re: re indexing
      ... search functin, but it s nice that they keep the entire history of the forum online. ... links to all 9,000ish messages, but not full text search. A day or
      Feb 15, 2003 @ 15:27 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
9022. Fwd: Palindromic placenames
      ... Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*.
      Feb 15, 2003 @ 15:29 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
9023. Re: NL-enclave in Canada! -> Amsterdam
      ... wrote ... (...)In 1990, reunification was achieved, and since that time Berlin was capital by law. The seat of government still remained
      Feb 15, 2003 @ 18:43 - Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com> ("Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>" <smaardijk@...>)
9024. Hello!
      Hello! This is my first message to BP. It seems a very interesting group. I may help with some information. For exemple: - Tourém region in Portugal; -
      Feb 15, 2003 @ 23:00 - Francisco <xuax@netvisao.pt> ("Francisco <xuax@...>" <xuax@...>)
9025. Palindromic placenames?
      With your messages I learned what palindromic names are. Now I have a question, with an example. In Portugal there is a village called Amor. That is Roma
      Feb 15, 2003 @ 23:20 - Francisco <xuax@netvisao.pt> ("Francisco <xuax@...>" <xuax@...>)
9026. Western OK panhandle and NM-TX
      Is the NM-OK-TX tripoint marked? Anyone have pictures? and The little bit of northwestern Texas that extends west of the panhandle: is the corner in the NM-TX
      Feb 16, 2003 @ 02:12 - Craig <trehala@yahoo.com> ("Craig <trehala@...>" <trehala@...>)
9027. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fwd: Palindromic placenames
      We have one in Denmark, at the shortest one in the world too. It s not far from my mother place, I should take a photo there to document it. I have also seen
      Feb 16, 2003 @ 10:02 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9028. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fwd: Palindromic placenames
      Here is an old map from Ø. Now a days they seem to call it Øby. Jesper ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 16,
      Feb 16, 2003 @ 10:09 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
9029. Re: Fwd: Palindromic placenames - Ø
      ... Ok, but in the map it seems to be Ö. The Ø is perhaps the equivalent modern spelling, isn t it? ... By means town , isn t it? ... Yes, but not the
      Feb 16, 2003 @ 13:51 - Francisco <xuax@netvisao.pt> ("Francisco <xuax@...>" <xuax@...>)
9030. cninnpw
      Old stuff, but http://www.nepalnews.com.np/contents/englishdaily/ktmpost/2000/dec/dec05/editorial.htm http://www.geocities.com/kalapaniborder/nepal.html Jesper
      Feb 16, 2003 @ 16:08 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9031. Re: [BoundaryPoint] cninnpw
      Last article http://www.boundaries.com/India.htm ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 5:08 PM Subject:
      Feb 16, 2003 @ 16:14 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9032. bgmkyu
      http://www.unmikonline.org/press/2002/mon/apr/lmm230402.htm ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 5:08 PM
      Feb 16, 2003 @ 16:16 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9033. cnkpru
      http://talesmag.com/rprweb/the_rprs/europe/realposts_vladivostok.html
      Feb 16, 2003 @ 16:58 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9034. Re: Fwd: Palindromic placenames
      When I was in Finland last year, I was fortunate to be on a train from Rovaniemi to Helsinki that stopped at Ii. (I have taken the Helsinki-Rovaniemi or
      Feb 16, 2003 @ 18:20 - Craig <trehala@yahoo.com> ("Craig <trehala@...>" <trehala@...>)
9035. Re: Fwd: Palindromic placenames
      ... not far from my mother place, I should take a photo there to document it. I have also seen it in the Guiness Book of Records once. ... Don t forget Y in
      Feb 16, 2003 @ 18:34 - Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com> ("Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>" <smaardijk@...>)
9036. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Fwd: Palindromic placenames
      In Norway and Sweden there are several places called Å, in France it is Y, in Japan O. Some time ago a 6 existed in West Virginia, USA. The longest according
      Feb 16, 2003 @ 18:32 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
9037. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Fwd: Palindromic placenames - Ø
      Until 1957 Ö was used on topographic maps, to make sure the line in the Ø was not confused as part of the map items. Yes by is town, and Ø is island, as
      Feb 16, 2003 @ 18:56 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
9038. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Western OK panhandle and NM-TX
      Craig, Go to BP message #8589 and you will find a lot of info regarding both of your questions, including pictures. Jack ... From: Craig
      Feb 16, 2003 @ 19:02 - jparsell ("jparsell" <jparsell@...>)
9039. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: NL-enclave in Canada!
      Len, Maybe it seems that I am mixing the terms. What I wanted to show is that we concerning the NL enclave in CA probably not are speaking about a real
      Feb 16, 2003 @ 19:30 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
9040. Re: Fwd: Palindromic placenames
      ... letters): Taumatawhakatangihangakoauauotamateaturipukakapikimaungahoronukupokai whenuak ... According to my Welsh tourist propaganda, the longest name of
      Feb 16, 2003 @ 21:40 - Francisco <xuax@netvisao.pt> ("Francisco <xuax@...>" <xuax@...>)
9041. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fwd: Palindromic placenames
      But not palindronic though. Jesper ... From: Jan S. Krogh To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 7:32 PM Subject: RE:
      Feb 16, 2003 @ 21:41 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9042. Re: Fwd: Palindromic placenames
      ... The longest known palindromic placename is WASSAMASSAW, the name of a swamp in South Carolina. There used to be a small community near that swamp also
      Feb 17, 2003 @ 00:11 - djtilque <dtilque@nwlink.com> ("djtilque <dtilque@...>" <dtilque@...>)
9043. Maps of St Martin?
      ... I m also interested in the 1:50,000 geological map of St Martin put out by the French too. Thanks
      Feb 17, 2003 @ 06:33 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <b.whyte@...>)
9044. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Maps of St Martin?
      Me too!! regards, chris ... -- +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging & more http://www.gmx.net +++ Bitte lächeln! Fotogalerie online mit GMX ohne eigene Homepage!
      Feb 17, 2003 @ 06:58 - chris (chris <23568@...>)
9045. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Maps of St Martin?
      Or post it here. Jesper ... From: chris To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Maps of St
      Feb 17, 2003 @ 18:52 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9046. Fw: An Expedia.com Map from k
      Border Monument http://www.haystack.edu/~jcf/baikal.htm Map http://www.expedia.com/pub/agent.dll?qscr=mmvw&msds=EX014BEBFAF5f$81Vz$9D$82
      Feb 17, 2003 @ 22:06 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9047. Re: Maps of St Martin?
      I don t suppose anyone has a map readily available, but why not try the .gouv.fr domain. I m not going there. I had already found the foreign ministry s
      Feb 17, 2003 @ 23:28 - Karolis B. <kbajoraz@yahoo.com> ("Karolis B. <kbajoraz@...>" <kbajoraz@...>)
9048. Marine 4point?
      Could LTLVPLSE or LTPLRUSE be possible? Also is Bornholm a total exclave, even with the eez, or is it connected to the mother kingdom? And does anyone know
      Feb 17, 2003 @ 23:51 - Karolis B. <kbajoraz@yahoo.com> ("Karolis B. <kbajoraz@...>" <kbajoraz@...>)
9049. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fw: An Expedia.com Map from k
      The monument seems to say Ust-Ordyn... on the top line. From the map I guess this is the border between the Irkutsk region and the Ust-Ordyn-Buryat enclaved
      Feb 18, 2003 @ 01:14 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
9050. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Marine 4point?
      Here are the borders of Denmark: http://147.29.40.90/DELFIN/HTML/B1999/0024205.htm I know that Bornholm is seperated from the rest of Denmark, so I don t know
      Feb 18, 2003 @ 05:21 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9051. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Marine 4point?
      DEDKSE ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 6:21 AM Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Marine 4point? Here are
      Feb 18, 2003 @ 05:28 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
9052. Re: Fw: An Expedia.com Map from k
      Exactly. Jesper, didn t you ask us this one already? See msg. 5885. Peter S. ... qscr=mmvw&msds=EX014BEBFAF5f$81Vz$9D$82 ...
      Feb 18, 2003 @ 07:49 - Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com> ("Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>" <smaardijk@...>)
9053. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Fw: An Expedia.com Map from k
      Oops, well I am no longer 25. Jesper ... From: Peter Smaardijk To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 8:49 AM
      Feb 18, 2003 @ 21:21 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9054. RUUA
      Just want share this wonderfull sailent on RUUA that I found. Jesper
      Feb 18, 2003 @ 21:51 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
9055. Re: [BoundaryPoint] RUUA
      The topomaps http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/EART/maps/x-ussr/M-37-117.jpg http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/EART/maps/x-ussr/M-37-116.jpg ... From: Jesper Nielsen To:
      Feb 18, 2003 @ 22:01 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9056. beeps
      mostly off the grid & off the map as well here in the lower keys of course so i can only duck in & out of the group very little & very fast nowadays but the
      Feb 18, 2003 @ 23:22 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
9057. Re: Marine 4point?
      ... aha, so Bornholm IS cut off (how did it end up being Danish and not Swedish anyway?). Do you have any more of this kind of maps from the Baltic?, looks
      Feb 18, 2003 @ 22:36 - Karolis B. <kbajoraz@yahoo.com> ("Karolis B. <kbajoraz@...>" <kbajoraz@...>)
9058. Re: Marine 4point?
      ... ... Maybe because a part of Scania used to be Danish. The island stayed Danish, the mainland didn t. Just my guess. Peter S.
      Feb 19, 2003 @ 09:29 - Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com> ("Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>" <smaardijk@...>)
9059. Help on duplicate palindromes
      On my palindromic placenames pages ( http://www.nwlink.com/~dtilque/palplaces/index.html ) which were recently discussed here, I am attempting to get rid of
      Feb 19, 2003 @ 09:47 - djtilque <dtilque@nwlink.com> ("djtilque <dtilque@...>" <dtilque@...>)
9060. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Marine 4point?
      Bornholm has been Danish since 950. During the wars with Sweden it was occupied, but in the peace treaty in 1645 it was decided it was to be Danish. 13 years
      Feb 19, 2003 @ 10:14 - jesniel@image.dk (jesniel@...)
9061. Re: Marine 4point?
      see also message 244 for more on this & several of your other recent queries ... ... the
      Feb 19, 2003 @ 15:47 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
9062. Janes eez
      Anyone have access to Jane s EEZ study or know any other good eez source?
      Feb 20, 2003 @ 01:13 - Karolis B. <kbajoraz@yahoo.com> ("Karolis B. <kbajoraz@...>" <kbajoraz@...>)
9063. CA-US: Bust on Zero Avenue!
      Guns, money, and illegal border crossings! US coverage with video: http://www.kirotv.com/news/1991190/detail.html Canadian coverage:
      Feb 20, 2003 @ 02:15 - Doug <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com> ("Doug <doug@...>" <doug@...>)
9064. Re: Janes eez
      ... http://www.maritimeboundaries.com
      Feb 20, 2003 @ 15:17 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
9065. Another pal
      Ekal Lake in Ontario (N 49 20 00 W 91 35 00) Also there s an Elsie Island in Nunavut which, no doubt through lack of imagination, was not named ELSIE ISLE. --
      Feb 20, 2003 @ 19:18 - djtilque <dtilque@nwlink.com> ("djtilque <dtilque@...>" <dtilque@...>)
9066. beepy roadrunner in marathon again
      the lower keys have finally & very noticeably warmed up today after an unusually long & chilly winter sufficiently for me not only to adjust my latitude
      Feb 20, 2003 @ 19:18 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
9067. Re: Palindromic placenames?
      ... ah francisco here is your question i misunderstood previously in my haste so apologies & another try at answering it the subject of place names isnt really
      Feb 21, 2003 @ 00:23 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
9068. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Digest Number 968
      Dear Karolis, For my sins I edit Jane s Exclusive Economic Zones . I m afraid Jane s are quite strict on copyright but I will try to help with any specific
      Feb 21, 2003 @ 08:26 - Martin Pratt ("Martin Pratt" <m.a.pratt@...>)
9069. Re: Palindromic placenames - and other names
      ... find that understandable & comfortable even if it is admittedly a little strange Ok, I also find interesting the discussion of placenames (both palindromic
      Feb 21, 2003 @ 11:41 - Francisco <xuax@netvisao.pt> ("Francisco <xuax@...>" <xuax@...>)
9070. Re: Palindromic placenames - and other names
      francisco ... beautifully said my friend & names without meanings are like flowers without nectar so heres to pursuing all the above
      Feb 21, 2003 @ 15:16 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
9071. Re: Fwd: Palindromic placenames
      dan ... a ... & having visited it i would certainly like to believe it is the longest at 11 characters but i believe there are a number of places in australia
      Feb 21, 2003 @ 15:35 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
9072. Re: Palindromic placenames - and other names
      ... Not really so. There are names without meaning or names which meaning is lost. Francisco, Portugal
      Feb 21, 2003 @ 19:04 - Francisco <xuax@netvisao.pt> ("Francisco <xuax@...>" <xuax@...>)
9073. martin garcia, argentina, maritime enclave?
      does anyone of you have better maps of isla martin garcia northwest of buenos aires? as i know its an argentinian island in waters of uruguay. in the map you
      Feb 21, 2003 @ 22:47 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@gmx.de>)
9074. Re: [BoundaryPoint] martin garcia, argentina, maritime enclave?
      Now that somebody has used a map from the geoargentina site, I just remembered that I haven t mentioned earlier updated my link page. I also updated my
      Feb 22, 2003 @ 00:05 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
9075. Re: martin garcia, argentina, maritime enclave?
      Well, Argentinans sure have a habit to dispute. They dispute with Urugay about water, with Chile about everything, with England about the islands and about
      Feb 22, 2003 @ 02:44 - Karolis B. <kbajoraz@yahoo.com> ("Karolis B. <kbajoraz@...>" <kbajoraz@...>)
9076. Re: Digest Number 968
      ... Jane s are ... questions ... Hi Martin! Understanding of one s sins is first step to forgiveness, restitution is the second. just kiddin :)) Perhaps your
      Feb 22, 2003 @ 03:04 - Karolis B. <kbajoraz@yahoo.com> ("Karolis B. <kbajoraz@...>" <kbajoraz@...>)
9077. Re: martin garcia, argentina, maritime enclave?
      ... Well, maybe so. But there are a couple islands owned by Malawi that are within the Lake Nyasa waters of Mozambique.
      Feb 22, 2003 @ 03:51 - djtilque <dtilque@nwlink.com> ("djtilque <dtilque@...>" <dtilque@...>)
9078. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: martin garcia, argentina, maritime enclave?
      ... Attached a scan of the Chisamula and Likoma Islands. Len published further maps on his site: http://exclave.info/current/malawi/likoma-malawi.html With
      Feb 22, 2003 @ 08:21 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@gmx.de>)
9079. Likoma
      And a second scan of Likoma. Regards, Chris
      Feb 22, 2003 @ 08:39 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@gmx.de>)
9080. Re: Marine 4point?
      ... Naive question: Since when did Denmark, Sweden, Norway (Iceland) exist as separate entities? Is it not true that there was a Norse community? kingdom?
      Feb 22, 2003 @ 12:48 - anorak222 <listen@wschwanke.de> ("anorak222 <listen@...>" <listen@...>)
9081. Marine borders North Sea
      The Marine 4 points thread brings me to a question I ve been willing to ask. The attached map is from my old school atlas (Diercke), approx. 1971. It s a
      Feb 22, 2003 @ 13:13 - Wolfgang Schwanke (Wolfgang Schwanke <listen@wschwanke.de>)
9082. Re: Palindromic placenames - and other names
      ... right & therein lies the opportunity of divining or creating it it is really magnificent fun here on purple island for example i was led to the necessity
      Feb 22, 2003 @ 15:13 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
9083. Re: martin garcia, argentina, maritime enclave?
      i cant read spanish without help but it seems to me at first glance that articles 41 & 45 & 46 in the treaty do indicate that there is an undisputed likoma or
      Feb 22, 2003 @ 15:54 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
9084. Re: martin garcia, argentina, maritime enclave?
      also on behalf of our argentinian members who may be reluctant to take issue with this unfair characterization of them & thus prove it true yikes i would just
      Feb 22, 2003 @ 16:09 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
9085. Re: martin garcia, argentina, maritime enclave?
      ah so it was you chris who discovered & reported this i only meant to give full credit where it is due so congrats to you & anyone else responsible ... of ...
      Feb 22, 2003 @ 16:13 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
9086. Re: Digest Number 968
      what is all this naughtiness with you guys & sin there is no sin or blame guilt or shame in everyones land there cant be otherwise some people would be of
      Feb 22, 2003 @ 16:37 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
9087. Tourém sailent on PTES
      http://www.viamichelin.com/viamichelin/gbr/dyn/controller/savedMapGet?mapId=342251 ... Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more
      Feb 22, 2003 @ 16:47 - quadernet (quadernet <quadernet@...>)
9088. KGKZ
      Here is a report from KGKZ, a possible unguarded transit road. http://www.virtualtourist.com/m/4933b/672/
      Feb 22, 2003 @ 19:38 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9089. Re: martin garcia, argentina, maritime enclave?
      ... the ... yea, CAPITULO VIII Islas (artículos 44 al 46) ARTICULO 44 Las islas existentes o las que en el futuro emerjan en el Río, pertenecen a una u otra
      Feb 22, 2003 @ 19:43 - Karolis B. <kbajoraz@yahoo.com> ("Karolis B. <kbajoraz@...>" <kbajoraz@...>)
9090. Re: [BoundaryPoint] KGKZ
      Tokmok appears to be a KGKZ twin town.
      Feb 22, 2003 @ 19:47 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9091. Oecussi, Timor-Leste
      Hi! I ve posted informations about the Enclave of Oecussi, Timor-Leste (East Timor) on the Feedback page of Jan S. Krogh s GeoSite:
      Feb 22, 2003 @ 20:48 - Francisco <xuax@netvisao.pt> ("Francisco <xuax@...>" <xuax@...>)
9092. Re: Tourém sailent on PTES
      ... t?mapId=342251 That s a good information, but you can see more maps and texts about the Tourém salient on PTES at Jan S. Krogh s GeoSite:
      Feb 22, 2003 @ 20:52 - Francisco <xuax@netvisao.pt> ("Francisco <xuax@...>" <xuax@...>)
9093. Re: Tourém sailent on PTES
      ... Muito obrigado, Francisco! Thank You! Good job...
      Feb 22, 2003 @ 22:49 - quadernet <quadernet@yahoo.com> ("quadernet <quadernet@...>" <quadernet@...>)
9094. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: martin garcia, argentina, maritime enclave?
      Thank you for translation, my spanish is just enough to understand bajo jurisdicción de la República Argentina , but not enough to translate it in english.
      Feb 23, 2003 @ 15:00 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
9095. Most dangerous DK3 border
      The municipality border between Høje Taastrup and Vallensbæk. I travel often on this highway and enjoy these two close tripoints. Jesper The municipality
      Feb 23, 2003 @ 16:15 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
9096. Continent border
      We have previously discussed land continent borders. The obvious one if offcourse ASEU. But what about ASOC? This atlas
      Feb 23, 2003 @ 16:49 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9097. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Continent border
      Here is a nice picture of the two continents. http://www.home.zonnet.nl/pauldin/merauke/sota.htm Whether I agree that a political border also can be a
      Feb 23, 2003 @ 16:54 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9098. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Continent border
      Yes, of course IDPG is a land continent border. Jan ... Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
      Feb 23, 2003 @ 18:13 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
9099. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Marine 4point?
      ... Naive question: Since when did Denmark, Sweden, Norway (Iceland) exist as separate entities? Is it not true that there was a Norse community? kingdom?
      Feb 23, 2003 @ 18:42 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
9100. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Marine 4point?
      The way be pronouce ords are also very different. While the Norwegians and Swedes have a very melodic pronounciation the Danes speak with a potato in the
      Feb 23, 2003 @ 18:49 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9101. Re: Marine 4point? - Scandinavia
      ... Iceland was belonging to Norway, thereafter de facto to Denmark as an own kingdom, until 1944 when it declared itself a republic - the only Scandinavian
      Feb 23, 2003 @ 19:23 - Francisco <xuax@netvisao.pt> ("Francisco <xuax@...>" <xuax@...>)
9102. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Marine 4point? - Scandinavia
      Finland is not situated on the Scandinavian peninsula; neither is the main population of Scandinavian origin. Iceland is mainly populated by Scandinavians and
      Feb 23, 2003 @ 19:43 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
9103. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Marine 4point? - Scandinavia
      Or better this: How does one define Scandinavia and Nordic Countries ? http://www.lysator.liu.se/nordic/scn/faq21.html J ... Outgoing mail is certified
      Feb 23, 2003 @ 19:46 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
9104. Re: Continent border
      ... one if of course ASEU. ... well. Hi, Sorry, I m new here, I didn t follow land continent borders discussion. Anyway this is my opinion. 1. IDPG border in
      Feb 23, 2003 @ 19:48 - Francisco <xuax@netvisao.pt> ("Francisco <xuax@...>" <xuax@...>)
9105. Re: Marine 4point? - Scandinavia
      ... the main ... OK, this is what I am aware of. The Scandinavian countries are those situated in the Scandinavian peninsula: Norway and Sweden. The others,
      Feb 23, 2003 @ 20:02 - Francisco <xuax@netvisao.pt> ("Francisco <xuax@...>" <xuax@...>)
9106. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Marine 4point? - Scandinavia
      This is much like the Maritime Provinces: The Canadian Maritimes are: Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, and Prince Edward Island. Atlantic Canada is: The Maritimes +
      Feb 23, 2003 @ 20:05 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
9107. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Continent border
      Hi, Sorry, I m new here, I didn t follow land continent borders discussion. Anyway this is my opinion. 1. IDPG border in Papua Island is, first of all, an
      Feb 23, 2003 @ 20:15 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
9108. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Marine 4point? - Scandinavia
      Well, by this rationale Brazil is a Lusitanian (Portuguese) country and New Zealand is a British country, just to mention two examples. Is the case
      Feb 23, 2003 @ 20:17 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
9109. TP-map: EGIL-Gaza
      http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/EART/maps/israel50k/08-36-033-2.jpg
      Feb 23, 2003 @ 20:24 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9110. Re: Continent border
      ... Yes and no. Yes, I mean East Timor, which new official name even in English is Timor-Leste (see UN and ISO documents). They changed also the code TP
      Feb 23, 2003 @ 20:32 - Francisco <xuax@netvisao.pt> ("Francisco <xuax@...>" <xuax@...>)
9111. Topmap: ILJO-WestBank
      http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/EART/maps/israel50k/08-36-023-4.jpg
      Feb 23, 2003 @ 20:37 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9112. Re: Marine 4point? - Scandinavia
      ... IMHO: Scandinavia as a geographic entity (the peninsula attached to the North of mainland Europe): Finland, Norway, Sweden (parts of Russia even).
      Feb 23, 2003 @ 21:07 - anorak222 <listen@wschwanke.de> ("anorak222 <listen@...>" <listen@...>)
9113. Re: Marine 4point? - Scandinavia
      ... North of mainland Europe): Finland, Norway, Sweden (parts of Russia even). ... share common traditions and cultural bonds): Finland, Norway, Sweden,
      Feb 23, 2003 @ 21:55 - Francisco <xuax@netvisao.pt> ("Francisco <xuax@...>" <xuax@...>)
9114. Re: Marine 4point? - Scandinavia
      Both Brazil and New Zealand represent the New World . And rules regarding stuff like this are a little different in the Old and the New worlds. New World
      Feb 23, 2003 @ 23:06 - Karolis B. <kbajoraz@yahoo.com> ("Karolis B. <kbajoraz@...>" <kbajoraz@...>)
9115. ROh
      http://www.virtualtourist.com/m/1e477/35f/6/#T
      Feb 24, 2003 @ 05:26 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9116. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Marine 4point? - Scandinavia
      I think the Scandinavian-Nordic discussion is ok. It is important to get a bit wider understanding about this stuff, so one can see all as a whole. Nowadays it
      Feb 24, 2003 @ 07:27 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
9117. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Continent border
      Francisco, ... One could argue about where the continental boundaries lie forever. The most official definition is probably that of the UN which can be found
      Feb 24, 2003 @ 09:08 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
9118. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Marine 4point? - Scandinavia
      ... But what exactly is a native population? Anglo-Saxons are often considered to be the native population of England, but they were preceded by the Romans,
      Feb 24, 2003 @ 09:31 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
9119. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Marine 4point? - Scandinavia
      Francisco, ... My view is that the political, geographical and cultural boundaries of Scandinavia pretty much coincide, so it isn t inappropriate to include
      Feb 24, 2003 @ 09:52 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
9120. Baltic EEZ tripoints / Monaco maritime space
      Dear Karolis, The PLRUSE tripoint has been defined by agreement at 55d 52.788 N, 18d 55.545 E. The LTRUSE tripoint has yet to be confirmed but it will
      Feb 24, 2003 @ 11:26 - Martin Pratt ("Martin Pratt" <m.a.pratt@...>)
9121. Re: Continent border
      ... I think the point is that the concept of continents is a cultural convention. It is not clearly defined what a continent should be (as opposed to an
      Feb 24, 2003 @ 17:10 - anorak222 <listen@wschwanke.de> ("anorak222 <listen@...>" <listen@...>)
9122. Re: Marine borders North Sea
      Following up to myself ... ... Nobody got anything to share about the North Sea map? I m surprised :) Regards
      Feb 24, 2003 @ 17:28 - anorak222 <listen@wschwanke.de> ("anorak222 <listen@...>" <listen@...>)
9123. fresh point du jour
      visited brcohe yesterday aka the broward collier hendry tricounty point with attached seminole & miccosukee indian reservations florida multicounty points are
      Feb 24, 2003 @ 17:32 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
9124. Re: Marine borders North Sea
      I haven t had the time to look into it in detail yet, but it seems to me that this is an old division. I think that part of the Dutch area was transfered to
      Feb 24, 2003 @ 17:58 - Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com> ("Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>" <smaardijk@...>)
9125. Re: Topmap: ILJO-WestBank
      ... Please be very careful of any maps you see depicting boundaries between Israel and the West Bank. The line in the Dead Sea shown on the Soviet map is
      Feb 24, 2003 @ 18:06 - Martin Pratt <m.a.pratt@durham.ac.uk> ("Martin Pratt <m.a.pratt@...>" <m.a.pratt@...>)
9126. Re: Marine borders North Sea
      That s the one! http://www.icj- cij.org/icjwww/idecisions/isummaries/icssummary690220.htm Peter S. ... to ... area ... to
      Feb 24, 2003 @ 18:07 - Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com> ("Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>" <smaardijk@...>)
9127. Re: Marine borders North Sea
      And a map to go with it: http://www.mms-spiess.ch/Bilder/SOCKEL.gif The dark area is the one that Germany gained as a result of the decision of the ICJ. From
      Feb 24, 2003 @ 18:40 - Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com> ("Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>" <smaardijk@...>)
9128. Cyprus SBAs
      The UK is reportedly willing to relinquish up to half of its SBA territory as part of a unification settlement...
      Feb 24, 2003 @ 19:46 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
9129. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Scandinavia, language trivia
      ... The Scandinavian languages may be close, but they are certainly separate languages rather than dialects. And finnish is of course not a Germanic language.
      Feb 24, 2003 @ 20:34 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
9130. Re: Marine borders North Sea
      Thank you Peter
      Feb 24, 2003 @ 20:44 - anorak222 <listen@wschwanke.de> ("anorak222 <listen@...>" <listen@...>)
9131. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Scandinavia, language trivia
      Of course Swedish, Danish and Norwegian are considered different languages, but internationally they are so close that they in fact are more to regard as
      Feb 24, 2003 @ 20:53 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
9132. Train station in Ii, Finland
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      Feb 24, 2003 @ 21:48 - Craig Rowland (Craig Rowland <trehala@...>)
9133. [No Subject]
      ... and Armenia being put into Asia. ... integrated parts of Spain, whilst they should be really be included under Africa. ... convention. ... entities, and
      Feb 24, 2003 @ 22:01 - Francisco <xuax@netvisao.pt> ("Francisco <xuax@...>" <xuax@...>)
9134. Previous subject: Continents and Islands
      I m sorry I missed the subject in previous message. Francisco
      Feb 24, 2003 @ 22:05 - Francisco <xuax@netvisao.pt> ("Francisco <xuax@...>" <xuax@...>)
9135. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Continent border
      ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 10:49 AM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Continent border We have
      Feb 24, 2003 @ 22:29 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
9136. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Continent border
      ... From: To: Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 11:10 AM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Continent border ...
      Feb 24, 2003 @ 22:33 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
9137. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Continent border
      ... From: Kevin Meynell To: Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 3:08 AM Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint]
      Feb 24, 2003 @ 22:50 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
9138. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Continent border
      ... It s absurd to describe Oceania as a continent when it s clearly a region. This is the problem when you try to define physical entities for political
      Feb 24, 2003 @ 22:56 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
9139. Various News
      Greetings. This is kind of news of the week. 1. Germany s telekom and Austria telecom officials agreed last year to turn off the German phone area code in
      Feb 24, 2003 @ 23:05 - L. A. Nadybal <lnadybal@comcast.net> ("L. A. Nadybal <lnadybal@...>" <lnadybal@...>)
9140. Papua New Guinea tripoint (Re: Continent border )
      ... about tripoints on the islands of Borneo and New Guinea ... I thought there were three, but I think I may have been confused about two different divisions
      Feb 24, 2003 @ 23:09 - Francisco <xuax@netvisao.pt> ("Francisco <xuax@...>" <xuax@...>)
9141. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Continent border
      John, ... New Guinea was originally divided into three entities administered by the Netherlands, Germany and the UK. The UK portion was transferred to
      Feb 24, 2003 @ 23:14 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
9142. Re: Scandinavia, language trivia
      Which brings us to a similiar situation: the Baltic Countries. I don t suppose anyone has any other idea of Baltic Countries than Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania.
      Feb 24, 2003 @ 23:14 - Karolis B. <kbajoraz@yahoo.com> ("Karolis B. <kbajoraz@...>" <kbajoraz@...>)
9143. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Continent border
      I am not an expert on German territories, but as I think somebody wanted to know about the presence in Oceania. Germany had an impressive presence over Africa
      Feb 25, 2003 @ 00:56 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
9144. EU sign at Mariehamn, Aland
      When I arrived at Mariehamn, Aland Islands last year, I took this photo of the EU sign at the harbour. Aland is autonomous of Helsinki in many matters
      Feb 25, 2003 @ 01:10 - Craig Rowland (Craig Rowland <trehala@...>)
9145. Re: Continent border
      ... Here s a list of all colonies that Germany had, with some statistics: http://www.dhm.de/lemo/html/kaiserreich/aussenpolitik/kolonien2/ ... There s not a
      Feb 25, 2003 @ 02:29 - anorak222 <listen@wschwanke.de> ("anorak222 <listen@...>" <listen@...>)
9146. Re: [BoundaryPoint] EU sign at Mariehamn, Aland
      Here is another interesting EU sign: http://www.nicolette.dk/borderbase/country.php?country=4 Jesper ... From: Craig Rowland To: boundarypoint@yahoogroups.com
      Feb 25, 2003 @ 05:23 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9147. Re: Continent border -> German colonies
      Another source of information: http://www.deutsche-schutzgebiete.de/ And there is always the Windhoek Karneval... :-) ( http://www.africaonline.com.na/wika/ )
      Feb 25, 2003 @ 08:10 - Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com> ("Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>" <smaardijk@...>)
9148. [BoundaryPoint] Re: Continent border -> German colonies
      Darnit, I actually forgot Samoa when mentioning German colonies. Most likely there is no German presence because it wasn t really German at independence.
      Feb 25, 2003 @ 15:10 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
9149. joke followed by serious questions
      say do you think andorra is in iberia just kidding from the empty into the void & how about llivia hahaha anyway here is a serious tp question possibly for
      Feb 25, 2003 @ 16:54 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
9150. is there anywhere to go
      hey whats the matter we havent defined the balkans or the indies yet but seriously & strictly speaking the continents are just the 4 largest islands in the
      Feb 25, 2003 @ 17:11 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
9151. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: martin garcia, argentina, maritime enclave?
      Heres another map, regards, chris ... From: chris schulz To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint]
      Feb 25, 2003 @ 17:16 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@gmx.de>)
9152. Island enclaves in Rivers
      The recent postings re: Argentina-Uruguay maritime/island enclaves prompts me to go publ;ic about other areas like this I know exist, but haven t had time to
      Feb 25, 2003 @ 18:49 - L. A. Nadybal <lnadybal@comcast.net> ("L. A. Nadybal <lnadybal@...>" <lnadybal@...>)
9153. Re: is there anywhere to go
      ... largest islands in the world namely ... And now from the dictionaries: Collins Cobuild English Dictionary: A continent is a very large area of land, such
      Feb 25, 2003 @ 19:17 - Francisco <xuax@netvisao.pt> ("Francisco <xuax@...>" <xuax@...>)
9154. Re: Island enclaves in Rivers
      ... The Shire River is the only outlet from Lake Malawi. The lower Shire was the colonial border between British Nyasaland (Malawi) and Portuguese Mozambique.
      Feb 25, 2003 @ 20:04 - Francisco <xuax@netvisao.pt> ("Francisco <xuax@...>" <xuax@...>)
9155. Re: is there anywhere to go
      ... of ... that ... yes i certainly understand & agree with all the above as far as you take it as well as all the below however please dont lose sight of the
      Feb 25, 2003 @ 20:13 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
9156. Continent borders/ German colonies
      Continental borders: As continents are often defined physically, their borders are too. Where a political entity overlaps a physical continental border, the
      Feb 25, 2003 @ 22:27 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <b.whyte@...>)
9157. Re: EU sign at Andorra
      This can t be a real picture, how can Andorra have an EU sign??
      Feb 26, 2003 @ 00:05 - Karolis B. <kbajoraz@yahoo.com> ("Karolis B. <kbajoraz@...>" <kbajoraz@...>)
9158. Re: Continent borders/ German colonies
      Brendan Whyte wrote: West Papua, if independent, would be Oceanian, not Asian. It is totally different culturally from the rest of Indonesia, a fact the Dutch
      Feb 26, 2003 @ 00:32 - Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com> ("Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>" <smaardijk@...>)
9159. Source treaty of Lihoma island exclave?
      Wow, this could be the source of the Lihoma exclave of Malawi in Lake Malawi. LN
      Feb 26, 2003 @ 05:29 - L. A. Nadybal <lnadybal@comcast.net> ("L. A. Nadybal <lnadybal@...>" <lnadybal@...>)
9160. Re: joke followed by serious questions
      So far I have only been able to think of two potential territorial sea tripoints - Bahrain-Qatar-Saudi Arabia and Qatar-Saudi-UAE, neither of which has yet
      Feb 26, 2003 @ 08:53 - Martin Pratt <m.a.pratt@durham.ac.uk> ("Martin Pratt <m.a.pratt@...>" <m.a.pratt@...>)
9161. Re: EU sign at Andorra
      ... Yes, it s a real sign and it s not wrong: Andorra belongs to the Council of Europe, and this flag is shared by the EU and the Council of Europe ( see:
      Feb 26, 2003 @ 09:05 - marcelmiquelcat <marcelmiquel@navegalia. ("marcelmiquelcat <marcelmiquel@...>" <marcelmiquel@...>)
9162. Re: EU sign at Andorra
      ... Council of Europe ( see: http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/eun- ce.html ) No wonder that Andorra displays EU signs, since EU is so popular all over Europe
      Feb 26, 2003 @ 10:13 - Francisco <xuax@netvisao.pt> ("Francisco <xuax@...>" <xuax@...>)
9163. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: EU sign at Andorra
      But how do you explain this? On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 01:05 AM, marcelmiquelcat ...
      Feb 26, 2003 @ 17:22 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
9164. What is Cölbe?
      Hi, Does anyone know what this could be? Here`s a link: http://www.marburg-biedenkopf.de/wifoe/derweg.htm its in german, im sorry. Regards, chris
      Feb 26, 2003 @ 17:36 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@gmx.de>)
9165. Re: EU sign at Andorra - (Canada)
      ... It s a joke :-) Was you, or where did you get the image?
      Feb 26, 2003 @ 17:50 - Francisco <xuax@netvisao.pt> ("Francisco <xuax@...>" <xuax@...>)
9166. Re: What is Cölbe?
      ... In the text: Cölbe wird zum geographischen Mittelpunkt, wenn mit der geplanten Erweiterung Estland, Polen, Tschechien, Ungarn, Slowenien und Zypern in
      Feb 26, 2003 @ 17:58 - Francisco <xuax@netvisao.pt> ("Francisco <xuax@...>" <xuax@...>)
9167. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
      Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File : /US
      Feb 26, 2003 @ 17:58 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com (BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com )
9168. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: EU sign at Andorra - (Canada)
      hi, I got a similar photo from Klaipeda / Lithuania from 1990. Well, they are still working on it... regards, chris ... From: Francisco To:
      Feb 26, 2003 @ 18:01 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
9169. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: EU sign at Andorra - (Canada)
      Ok, it was a joke. I made it in Photoshop. Too much time on my hands! Doug On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 09:50 AM, Francisco ...
      Feb 26, 2003 @ 18:09 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
9170. Zero Avenue
      I took a picture while on final approach to Vancouver International Airport (YVR). I took it in 1983 and have looked at it from time to time, but only now
      Feb 26, 2003 @ 18:17 - averillhecht <alhecht@comcast.net> ("averillhecht <alhecht@...>" <alhecht@...>)
9171. fresh multipoints this morning
      having slept at the railroad crossing on county line road about midway between bacaja & bajawa which are only 3 miles apart i awoke from vivid dreams before
      Feb 26, 2003 @ 20:03 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
9172. Nauru
      This is a weird story about Nauru. Any of you Amateurs out there trying to raise them? Doug Wednesday  »  February 26  »  2003 Island state loses touch
      Feb 26, 2003 @ 22:27 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
9173. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Nauru
      ... Didn t Australia send several hundred asylum seekers there? I wonder whether that has anything to do with the reported unrest. Cheers, Kevin Meynell
      Feb 26, 2003 @ 22:33 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
9174. Re: EU sign at Andorra
      Has anyone actually seen this sign? My idea was that this was an EU sign, because if Council membership is what matters, then even Russia could put up these
      Feb 26, 2003 @ 22:58 - Karolis B. <kbajoraz@yahoo.com> ("Karolis B. <kbajoraz@...>" <kbajoraz@...>)
9175. LT license plates - Re: EU sign at Andorra
      ... EU sign, because if Council membership is what matters, then even Russia could put up these sign, and I don t know why Lithuania didn t when we were
      Feb 27, 2003 @ 07:31 - Francisco <xuax@netvisao.pt> ("Francisco <xuax@...>" <xuax@...>)
9176. RE: [BoundaryPoint] LT license plates - Re: EU sign at Andorra
      Yes, these: http://www.worldlicenseplates.com/world/EU_LITH.html (while Andorra has these: http://www.worldlicenseplates.com/world/EU_ANDO.html ) Jan ... From:
      Feb 27, 2003 @ 08:02 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
9177. Re: What is Cölbe?
      ... Hi Francisco, thanks for translation, i thought my question as a joke ;-) Regards, Chris
      Feb 27, 2003 @ 12:03 - max23568 <23568@gmx.de> ("max23568 <23568@...>" <23568@...>)
9178. Re: What is Cölbe?
      ... rg-Biedenkopf county, Hesse state will be the geographical centre of the EU.= I have my reservations on geographical centre claims. They don t explain =
      Feb 27, 2003 @ 13:10 - anorak222 <listen@wschwanke.de> ("anorak222 <listen@...>" <listen@...>)
9179. Correction - LT license plates - Re: EU sign at Andorra
      ... I m sorry for my little mistake: the letters are not in the middle, they are actually below the stars ring. Please see attached sample. Francisco, Portugal
      Feb 27, 2003 @ 14:37 - Francisco Santos ("Francisco Santos" <xuax@netvisao.pt>)
9180. Re: Nauru
      ... From http://www.goasiapacific.com/news/GoAsiaPacificBNP_793790.htm: A technician from the Australian relief agency, AusAID, is expected to arrive on the
      Feb 27, 2003 @ 14:59 - Francisco <xuax@netvisao.pt> ("Francisco <xuax@...>" <xuax@...>)
9181. Correction - LT license plates - Re: EU sign at Andorra
      ... they are ... I know. That s the standard used in many places European. in the EU however the national flag is replaced by the strars. Only Malta is using
      Feb 27, 2003 @ 15:33 - Karolis B. <kbajoraz@yahoo.com> ("Karolis B. <kbajoraz@...>" <kbajoraz@...>)
9182. Re: [BoundaryPoint] LT license plates - Re: EU sign at Andorra
      I have a Maltese license plate (circa 1999) that features the EU flag with M below. Doug On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 11:31 PM, Francisco ...
      Feb 27, 2003 @ 16:12 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
9183. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Correction - LT license plates - Re: EU sign at Andorra
      Francisco... Where do you live in Portugal? I was there in 1993 and cycled from Lisboa down to the Algarve and then into Spain. We got as far as Seville and
      Feb 27, 2003 @ 16:21 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
9184. FR, PT
      I m including a photo of the border of France, Portugal. Ok, it s half a joke. França is a village in Northern Portugal. It is also the Portuguese name for
      Feb 27, 2003 @ 21:24 - Francisco Santos ("Francisco Santos" <xuax@netvisao.pt>)
9185. still more fresh points
      heading toward flnw from pensacola beach this morning i chanced on a place called muscogee cantonment which interested me first because it sounds like it may
      Feb 27, 2003 @ 21:44 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
9186. Medieval tripoint
      In the middle ages in northern Portugal there was a tripoint between the medieval kingdoms of Galiza (Galicia), León and Portugal. Nowadays, in the same
      Feb 27, 2003 @ 21:46 - Francisco Santos ("Francisco Santos" <xuax@netvisao.pt>)
9187. RE: [BoundaryPoint] still more fresh points
      Michael, The nearest thing I have found to this is at Four Corners with San Juan County, NM and San Juan County, UT. They are not adjacent, but join at the
      Feb 28, 2003 @ 03:45 - jparsell ("jparsell" <jparsell@...>)
9188. US internal cultural boundaries
      howdy folks, i found this map and wanted to share it with the group. i got this in college, my last free credit i had to fulfill to graduate with my business
      Feb 28, 2003 @ 06:39 - Victor Cantore (Victor Cantore <drpotatoes@yahoo.com>)
9189. Re: [BoundaryPoint] US internal cultural boundaries
      duh wrong attachment heres the right one. vc ... __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators,
      Feb 28, 2003 @ 06:45 - Victor Cantore (Victor Cantore <drpotatoes@yahoo.com>)
9190. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: What is Cölbe?
      Hi, as i know they claim to be the centre of the european community, when estonia, poland, czechia, hungary, slowenia and cyprus become members of the EU.
      Feb 28, 2003 @ 07:36 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
9191. LANGUAGE BOUNDARIES AND NATIONAL BORDERS ESPECIALLY EUROPE
      Does anyone have a map or maps that show language borders superinposed on national borders for Europe or parts of Europe. For example,It interests me that in
      Feb 28, 2003 @ 08:03 - Bill Burke ("Bill Burke" <bill@...>)
9192. Re: LANGUAGE BOUNDARIES AND NATIONAL BORDERS ESPECIALLY EUROPE
      Try this link. The political borders are not updated after the 90 changes, but it can be useful: http://www.bibiloni.net/llengues/mapes.htm Another
      Feb 28, 2003 @ 08:34 - marcelmiquelcat <marcelmiquel@navegalia. ("marcelmiquelcat <marcelmiquel@...>" <marcelmiquel@...>)
9193. Ukraina-Poland Visa relationship
      Hallo, from UA-gov. site an article about the visa relationship with poland. udo -- +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging & more http://www.gmx.net +++ Bitte lächeln!
      Feb 28, 2003 @ 19:25 - udomet@gmx.de (udomet@gmx.de)
9194. Re: still more fresh points
      thanx jack thats a distinguished mate too the big easy is already scarcely functional today & all of reality is already in drag nor is anything any longer as
      Feb 28, 2003 @ 20:54 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
9195. RE: [BoundaryPoint] US internal cultural boundaries
      The cultural tri-points ought to be interesting spots. Jack ... From: Victor Cantore [mailto:drpotatoes@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 1:45 AM To:
      Feb 28, 2003 @ 21:26 - jparsell ("jparsell" <jparsell@...>)
9196. Re: Medieval tripoint
      thanx francisco it must be a beauty & ghost tricountry points are right up our alley especially when they remain on international borders visits to several
      Feb 28, 2003 @ 21:40 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
9197. Re: US internal cultural boundaries
      challenging if not impossible to find too or were you already joking to that effect ... Service.
      Feb 28, 2003 @ 21:42 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
9198. Re: cultural boundaries
      ... Yes, indeed. But a cultural tri-point (or a cultural boundary) is rarely a point (or a line). It is, most often than not, a transition area, neither A nor
      Feb 28, 2003 @ 21:44 - Francisco <xuax@netvisao.pt> ("Francisco <xuax@...>" <xuax@...>)
9199. 4-point in switzerland
      hi, just found this quadripoint. its between the cantons of bern, solothurn and jura. the area north and the middle part south-west belong to bern, the area
      Mar 01, 2003 @ 00:06 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@gmx.de>)
9200. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: cultural boundaries
      Francisco, I don t know if you have ever travelled to the United States, but I d have to say that the USA is far from uniform. Granted, most people speak
      Mar 01, 2003 @ 04:59 - Brendan (Brendan <pit.hokie@verizon.net>)
9201. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: cultural boundaries
      ... From: Brendan To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: cultural boundaries Francisco, I
      Mar 01, 2003 @ 05:28 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@aaahawk.com>)
9202. RE: [BoundaryPoint] FR, PT
      Interesting, also in Lithuania there are several villages named Šveicarija (Switzerland), and in the USA there are several places named Norway . Do you
      Mar 01, 2003 @ 09:07 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
9203. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: What is Cölbe?
      Hi, So where will the EUc be situated when one include Lithuania and Latvia to the club (May 1st 2004)?!? Jan ... Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
      Mar 01, 2003 @ 09:07 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
9204. Australian enclaves in New Zealand?
      I was searching for some articles on Indo-Bangladesh enclaves, and in this site: http://www.humanscapeindia.net/humanscape/new/nov02/theinsiders.htm I was
      Mar 01, 2003 @ 10:15 - I M Naanu <imnaanu@yahoo.com> ("I M Naanu <imnaanu@...>" <imnaanu@...>)
9205. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: What is Cölbe?
      Hi, maybe we can talk about temporary centres? ;-) Regards, Chris ... From: Jan S. Krogh To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 10:07
      Mar 01, 2003 @ 11:03 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
9206. Re: cultural boundaries
      ... I d have to say that the USA is far from uniform. Hi Brendan! As soon as I did the last click I noticied I didn t write it in the best way. Of course I
      Mar 01, 2003 @ 11:16 - Francisco <xuax@netvisao.pt> ("Francisco <xuax@...>" <xuax@...>)
9207. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: What is Cölbe?
      Hi, Hardly even that! All three Baltic countries will become EU members at the same time. (Well, maybe Estonia and Latvia will join the EU one time before
      Mar 01, 2003 @ 11:23 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
9208. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: What is Cölbe?
      Errata: Hi, Hardly even that! All three Baltic countries will become EU members at the same time. (Well, maybe Estonia and Latvia will join the EU one hour
      Mar 01, 2003 @ 11:26 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
9209. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: cultural boundaries
      Francisco, I didn t mean to imply that the US is more cultural or more varied than Europe. By the sheer fact that Europe is made up of different
      Mar 01, 2003 @ 13:38 - Brendan (Brendan <pit.hokie@...>)
9210. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Australian enclaves in New Zealand?
      Ethnic Australian enclaves within New Zealand?!? Jan ... Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
      Mar 01, 2003 @ 15:07 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
9211. Re: 4-point in switzerland
      bravo chris a punctological novelty thats what bp is about the rest is horse feathers ... area east to solothurn and the area west to jura. ... three entities
      Mar 01, 2003 @ 16:32 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
9212. Re: Australian enclaves in New Zealand?
      thanx dear naanu i am somewhat limited by carnival here & cant find the refs you mention either in a quick glance i agree we need more punctiliousness &
      Mar 01, 2003 @ 16:43 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
9213. RE: [BoundaryPoint] FR, PT
      there s lots of names like that here in the usa 2 that come to mind are paris, texas and berlin, maryland. ther es also a toluca park, california (as in
      Mar 01, 2003 @ 21:19 - Victor Cantore (Victor Cantore <drpotatoes@...>)
9214. Re: What is Cölbe?
      ... members at the ... hour before ... in 2004 ... 2002 . ;-) ... Well, there will be a few VERY temporary centers due to all the time differences!
      Mar 01, 2003 @ 21:32 - Karolis B. <kbajoraz@yahoo.com> ("Karolis B. <kbajoraz@...>" <kbajoraz@...>)
9215. Re: FR, PT
      ... not lots, but rtaher hunders or thousands of names like that in USA. Christmas Island, Kiribati has exclusively such name towns. In Lithuania, Jonava
      Mar 01, 2003 @ 21:34 - Karolis B. <kbajoraz@yahoo.com> ("Karolis B. <kbajoraz@...>" <kbajoraz@...>)
9216. Cook Islands, Niue, Tokelau
      First, how would you classify the EEZ border between Cook Island and Niue and CI-Tokelau. Certainly not international, nor internal... Second, do you know
      Mar 01, 2003 @ 23:41 - Karolis B. <kbajoraz@yahoo.com> ("Karolis B. <kbajoraz@...>" <kbajoraz@...>)
9217. Re: What is Cölbe?
      ... Why ridiculously ? Shouldn t get bigger? What is ridiculous is the fight to be granted the title of Centre of Europe, or something like that. I guess
      Mar 01, 2003 @ 23:54 - Francisco <xuax@netvisao.pt> ("Francisco <xuax@...>" <xuax@...>)
9218. Re: FR, PT (other countrys' names)
      ... USA. Christmas Island, Kiribati has exclusively such name towns. In ... Yes, even in small Portugal there are more of other countrys names which are used
      Mar 02, 2003 @ 00:07 - Francisco <xuax@netvisao.pt> ("Francisco <xuax@...>" <xuax@...>)
9219. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: 4-point in switzerland
      Gee guys, that quadripoint has been in my website for the last six months, so you guys should check out the tiny updates. I probably should have advertised
      Mar 02, 2003 @ 00:55 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
9220. RE: [BoundaryPoint] FR, PT
      Lebanon, NH and PA come to mind, as well as Canaan, NH. When I was a kid, I thought my neighbor was from the town of Pakistan , Massachusetts, USA...I soon
      Mar 02, 2003 @ 01:31 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
9221. Re: Australian enclaves in New Zealand?
      acroorca2002: Thanks a lot for your comments. Am now looking for any other additional material, including the local Australian Embassy for information. Jan: I
      Mar 02, 2003 @ 07:13 - I M Naanu <imnaanu@yahoo.com> ("I M Naanu <imnaanu@...>" <imnaanu@...>)
9222. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cook Islands, Niue, Tokelau
      Karolis, ... Niue and the Cook Islands are self-governing territories in free association with New Zealand. Although New Zealand is responsible for their
      Mar 02, 2003 @ 11:01 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
9223. Re: [BoundaryPoint] What is Cölbe?
      Francisco, ... I think it absolutely should get bigger if new countries can bring something to the union and are ready for membership. In the longer-term, I
      Mar 02, 2003 @ 11:37 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
9224. Border Towns Are Close Enough to Touch but Worlds Apart
      http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/24/national/24TOWN.html?ex=1046754000&en=4c9bbfd0734f4f07&ei=5038&partner=ASAHI
      Mar 02, 2003 @ 14:21 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9225. Danish Deutsch Marks in Borderland½
      When the Danes voted North Schleswig back to Denmark 1920, there was a period between the voting and the official hand over. During this period, the
      Mar 02, 2003 @ 15:47 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
9226. Re: Border Towns Are Close Enough to Touch but Worlds Apart
      ... ex=1046754000&en=4c9bbfd0734f4f07&ei=5038&partner=ASAHI ... Is this the Free World that to knocked down the Berlin Wall? Francisco, Portugal
      Mar 02, 2003 @ 15:52 - Francisco <xuax@netvisao.pt> ("Francisco <xuax@...>" <xuax@...>)
9227. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Border Towns Are Close Enough to Touch but Worlds Apart
      These Romans are crazy...! (Asterix & Co.) Jan ... From: Francisco [mailto:xuax@netvisao.pt] Sent: 2. mars 2003 17:52 To:
      Mar 02, 2003 @ 17:07 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
9228. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border Towns Are Close Enough to Touch but Worlds Apart
      ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 8:21 AM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Border Towns Are Close Enough to Touch
      Mar 02, 2003 @ 17:41 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
9229. USMX: Operation Gatekeeper
      For Operation Gatekeeper, the U.S. military built a wall that runs 14 miles inland from the Pacific Ocean near San Diego. On the Mexican side of the wall are
      Mar 02, 2003 @ 18:22 - Francisco <xuax@netvisao.pt> ("Francisco <xuax@...>" <xuax@...>)
9230. Centre of continental Portugal
      Here I attach a photo of Melriça (or Milriça), taken when I visited it with my wife. Melriça is in the municipality of Vila de Rei. Altitude: 600 m.
      Mar 02, 2003 @ 19:47 - Francisco Santos ("Francisco Santos" <xuax@netvisao.pt>)
9231. Re: [BoundaryPoint] USMX: Operation Gatekeeper
      the wall looks different now at that stretch took this photo last spring ... http://www.americas.org/News/Features/200009_Border/names.asp ...
      Mar 02, 2003 @ 22:27 - Victor Cantore (Victor Cantore <drpotatoes@yahoo.com>)
9232. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border Towns Are Close Enough to Touch but Worlds Apart
      ... nope that s just the guardrail. annotation on roadway would be something for civil engineers or utility lines my guess. it s a beautiful drive if you ever
      Mar 02, 2003 @ 22:30 - Victor Cantore (Victor Cantore <drpotatoes@...>)
9233. Australian enclaves in NZ: not true!
      I have been in contact with the author in the past. I am aware of his comments, and questioned them. They are totally unsubstantiated and incorrect. someone
      Mar 02, 2003 @ 22:57 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <b.whyte@...>)
9234. GYSR - overlapping maritime border claims
      Problems over oil fields... http://www.cgxresources.com/shortform/2001_page3.html http://www.cgxresources.com/index.html
      Mar 03, 2003 @ 00:04 - Francisco <xuax@netvisao.pt> ("Francisco <xuax@...>" <xuax@...>)
9235. GYSR - overlapping maritime border claims
      Problems over oil fields... http://www.cgxresources.com/shortform/2001_page3.html http://www.cgxresources.com/index.html
      Mar 03, 2003 @ 00:40 - Francisco <xuax@netvisao.pt> ("Francisco <xuax@...>" <xuax@...>)
9236. Re: [BoundaryPoint] USMX: Operation Gatekeeper
      Where is the last boundary marker standing? Jesper ... From: Victor Cantore To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 11:27 PM Subject:
      Mar 03, 2003 @ 05:38 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9237. Re: [BoundaryPoint] USMX: Operation Gatekeeper
      just a few meters up the hill from there vc ... http://www.americas.org/News/Features/200009_Border/names.asp ...
      Mar 03, 2003 @ 06:07 - Victor Cantore (Victor Cantore <drpotatoes@yahoo.com>)
9238. Re: Australian enclaves in NZ: not true!
      Hey Brendan, Thanks for your clarification. Heaven knows where this search could have led us! I m no doubt a bit sad, but would prefer the truth anyday! :) IMN
      Mar 03, 2003 @ 14:20 - I M Naanu <imnaanu@yahoo.com> ("I M Naanu <imnaanu@...>" <imnaanu@...>)
9239. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Australian enclaves in NZ: not true!
      Brendan, Can we as you see it trust author in general after this? Jan http://home.no.net/enklaver ... Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG
      Mar 03, 2003 @ 14:33 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
9240. Die Enklave Bonn
      Today, I came across a photo of an envelope mailed from the French Haute Commission Alliee en Allemagne (Allied High commission for Germany) mailed in 1952,
      Mar 04, 2003 @ 03:00 - L. A. Nadybal <lnadybal@comcast.net> ("L. A. Nadybal <lnadybal@...>" <lnadybal@...>)
9241. English area code for Kurdish Iraq
      I just heard on German TV that to call Kurdish northern Iraq, one must dial +44 for the UK, then a British area code. Anybody know a) what one uses from
      Mar 04, 2003 @ 05:12 - L. A. Nadybal <lnadybal@comcast.net> ("L. A. Nadybal <lnadybal@...>" <lnadybal@...>)
9242. Re: [BoundaryPoint] English area code for Kurdish Iraq
      SBA: http://www.army.mod.uk/dhekelia/contact/index.htm Jesper ... From: L. A. Nadybal To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday,
      Mar 04, 2003 @ 05:44 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9243. the las vegas i prefer
      beeps & yipes from las vegas nm following a free world class hot spring on the united world college & montezuma who bathed there too try pointing for a bubble
      Mar 04, 2003 @ 21:33 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
9244. Fwd: Re: Northern Ireland (UK) -Republic Of Ireland Border
      ... _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE*
      Mar 04, 2003 @ 21:34 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
9245. Re: USMX: Operation Gatekeeper
      my compliments doctor on the spotlessness & caplessness of your recent writings
      Mar 04, 2003 @ 21:41 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
9246. Re: What is Cölbe?
      ... term, I ... either. ... states ... expand ... Parliament ... is ... with the ... the ... established ... responsibilities of EU ... by a ... ground ...
      Mar 04, 2003 @ 22:05 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9247. Oz in NZ?
      I trust him on his area of expertise: the plight of enclave residents, and political situation, as much as I would trust any NGO. I would not trust him
      Mar 04, 2003 @ 22:05 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <b.whyte@...>)
9248. Re: 4-point in switzerland
      gorgeous arif a n d chris i never know which of you 2 greats to congratulate for the great finds anyway but yikes please tell us first if you think something
      Mar 04, 2003 @ 22:18 - acroorca2002 <orc@orcoast.com> ("acroorca2002 <orc@...>" <orc@...>)
9249. Re: What is Cölbe?
      I don t know about others, but I stop reading after the first couple sentences of such soliloquies as found below, so unless someone else enjoys them, it would
      Mar 04, 2003 @ 22:24 - Karolis B. ("Karolis B." <kbajoraz@...>)
9250. Re: What is Cölbe?
      it is a soliloquy only because you have separated it from what it was responding to so please do feel free to stop reading any time or feel free to keep
      Mar 04, 2003 @ 22:39 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9251. Re: What is Cölbe?
      Why don t you write this offline, or offgroup? It s so easy. It would spare our time to see that there isn t anything new about Cölbe . (Next time I ll do it
      Mar 04, 2003 @ 23:49 - Francisco ("Francisco" <xuax@...>)
9252. Re: English area code for Kurdish Iraq - thanks for link
      Thanks. That was a real interesting link for a lot of other base details and subjects. LN
      Mar 05, 2003 @ 00:47 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
9253. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: 4-point in switzerland
      Hi, here comes another 4point, the first scan shows the fragment of Roggenburg, belonging to Basel-Land. its separated from Basel-Land by the fragment
      Mar 05, 2003 @ 02:24 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@gmx.de>)
9254. Re: What is Cölbe?
      Well, I have to admit, this group would be something different without these soliloquies . They have always been here and are an integral part of my
      Mar 05, 2003 @ 08:02 - anton_zeilinger ("anton_zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
9255. "Re: What is Cölbe?" vs "soliloquies"
      I undestand your point. But then change the subject title (like I do now). Instead of Re: What is Cölbe? write: soliloquies or Cölbe soliloquies , etc.
      Mar 05, 2003 @ 09:21 - Francisco ("Francisco" <xuax@...>)
9256. DDR to be re-established in Köpenick, Berlin!
      - On 1st May 2004 you will find DDR watch towers, passport control, lots of Trabis and forced currency exchange to DDR-mark in the Köpenick district of
      Mar 05, 2003 @ 11:35 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
9257. Re: DDR to be re-established in Köpenick, Berlin!
      A few months ago I ve read somewhere about something like that but in much smaller scale, a kind of club or so, where DDR-nostalgics try to re-establish the
      Mar 05, 2003 @ 14:32 - Francisco ("Francisco" <xuax@...>)
9258. [BoundaryPoint] Interesting geography in switzerland & My soliloquy
      I am a bit biased here. I break out in orgasmic bliss every time a new enclave is discovered or a new great map site is found. To me, geography is the most
      Mar 05, 2003 @ 15:47 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
9259. Interesting geography in switzerland and borderstones along fragment kleinluetzel
      Hi Arif, im just now working on it, looked for the border, but until now didnt discover, what you wanted to tell. i think im very close to your proove of the
      Mar 05, 2003 @ 16:22 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
9260. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Interesting geography in switzerland & My soliloquy
      hi arif, is it this region, we are talking about? regards, chris ... From: Arif Samad To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 4:47 PM
      Mar 05, 2003 @ 16:38 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@gmx.de>)
9261. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Interesting geography in switzerland & My soliloquy
      Hi Arif, Okay, i understand, heres the scan. regards, chris
      Mar 05, 2003 @ 17:00 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@gmx.de>)
9262. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Interesting geography in switzerland & My soliloquy
      That s exactly the place I was talking about. Doesn t it look like half the river is a corridor for Fribourg which invalidates the Bern-Vaud border that looks
      Mar 05, 2003 @ 17:28 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@yahoo.com>)
9263. Nothing new about Colbe, nothing about borders
      You may, of course write what you please. It has been noted that in this group you don t get killed for being a little off-topic. Though it is frowed upon, and
      Mar 05, 2003 @ 23:03 - Karolis B. ("Karolis B." <kbajoraz@...>)
9264. report from kingman 150 claves from outer space beebeep
      just came from what is probably the coolest & most visitable of the worlds 150 known meteor craters very impressive indeed & well presented too by its owners
      Mar 06, 2003 @ 02:00 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
9265. Re: Nothing new about Colbe, nothing about borders
      hahahahaha as if being in the majority would have justified your attack hahahahahaha but since you are in the minority you retract it hahahahahahah hahaha
      Mar 06, 2003 @ 02:52 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9266. Nya-rong - Tibet enclave in China 1727-1914
      This is just for the record . From Tibet: Past & Present , Sir Charles Bell KCIE, CMG, Clarendon Press, 1924: Pg. 155, discussing the Simla conference
      Mar 06, 2003 @ 03:24 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
9267. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Nya-rong - Tibet enclave in China 1727-1914
      Hi Len, Thank you, regards, Chris ... From: L. A. Nadybal To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 4:24 AM Subject: [BoundaryPoint]
      Mar 06, 2003 @ 03:34 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
9268. Natural disasters - shifting borders?
      ok this is a stretch.... i heard on the news on sunday that there was a small earthquake on usmx and it got me to thinking. has a border ever shifted due to a
      Mar 06, 2003 @ 08:22 - Victor Cantore (Victor Cantore <drpotatoes@...>)
9269. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 4-point in switzerland
      Hi Arif, I got a message from the webmaster of www.kleinlützel.info, that the bordermarker of the quadripoint is called Vierländerstein by local people
      Mar 06, 2003 @ 08:44 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
9270. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 4-point in switzerland
      oh, again this link-game... http://www.so.ch/de/pub/departemente/bjd/justiz/vermessungsamt/hoheitsgrenzen.htm ... From: chris schulz To:
      Mar 06, 2003 @ 08:46 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
9271. China and Taiwan - two countries ;-)
      The People s Republic of China now let s us know that they in fact regards Taiwan as an own country:
      Mar 06, 2003 @ 10:55 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
9272. Re: Natural disasters - shifting borders?
      Hi. Borders running on rivers have been known to change when earthquakes change their courses, and the treaty regulating the border provides that when a
      Mar 06, 2003 @ 14:10 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
9273. Re: China and Taiwan - two countries - Ahhh. The DeJure v. DeFacto Trick
      It operates as a separate country but the PRC staffers can still continue to say it s just an errant province. The slip obviously was made at a time when
      Mar 06, 2003 @ 14:16 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
9274. Re: Natural disasters - shifting borders?
      ... Hi Victor, In fact, sometimes river dams provoke artificial disasters, which in turn change river banks and move islands, disturbing the previously
      Mar 06, 2003 @ 20:07 - Francisco ("Francisco" <xuax@...>)
9275. Botswana - Namibia Border Agreement
      http://allafrica.com/stories/200303060138.html
      Mar 06, 2003 @ 21:15 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
9276. Reality TV: 24 hour bordervision on MX-US
      http://www.azstarnet.com/star/today/30306BORDERCAMS.html
      Mar 06, 2003 @ 21:30 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
9277. Versailles Treaty
      Many Euroean border are based on this treaty. http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/menu.htm (Example DEDK Articles 109-114) Jesper
      Mar 06, 2003 @ 22:09 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9278. www.enklave.de.vu updated
      Hi, I updated my page about enclaves. A new category was added - enclaves inside a contry (or on second level or however) its only a start and i suppose, this
      Mar 07, 2003 @ 06:14 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
9279. RE: [BoundaryPoint] 4-point in norway
      I have found only one dry 4-point (an ex 5-point) among Norway s 434 municipalities. Maybe there are more; I have not yet managed to look for inter-county
      Mar 07, 2003 @ 07:52 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
9280. Re: [BoundaryPoint] www.enklave.de.vu updated
      Hi, Most work was about Swiss, you find it on Innerstaatliche Enklaven - Schweiz I made kind of interactive map about the swiss enclaves and all the other
      Mar 07, 2003 @ 08:22 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
9281. Re: www.enklave.de.vu updated
      Hi Chris, I see you ve been busy lately. It looks great! I ve got one question. There s this Berlin exclave you re talking about on your site, named Bogensee.
      Mar 07, 2003 @ 11:06 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
9282. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: www.enklave.de.vu updated
      Hi Peter, erg, you trapped me - i have no definite answer for this.. In one article its said, they returned it to berlin. i tried to contact this WoGeBe, but
      Mar 07, 2003 @ 11:35 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
9283. Another Swiss boundary cross - but does it still exist?
      Acc. to maps at http://www.baselland.ch/docs/archive/plaene/main_plaene.htm (some beauties here! For example
      Mar 07, 2003 @ 12:45 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
9284. Re: Interesting geography in switzerland & My soliloquy
      It looks like the tiny area north of the Canal de la Broye, with the Obs. Ornith. (bird observation spot), is part of the canton of Neuchâtel! Cf. this decree
      Mar 07, 2003 @ 13:58 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
9285. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Another Swiss boundary cross - but does it still exist?
      Hello Peter, it looks like a very small but anyway existing connection. its the 1:25.000 topo-map. regards, chris ... From: Peter Smaardijk To:
      Mar 07, 2003 @ 14:13 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@gmx.de>)
9286. Re: Interesting geography in switzerland & My soliloquy
      BTW (for what it s worth): www.map24.com is saying the same thing... Peter S. ... the ... like
      Mar 07, 2003 @ 15:31 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
9287. Interesting geography in switzerland & My soliloquy
      From Via Michelin ( www.viamichelin.com ) Peter S. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators,
      Mar 07, 2003 @ 16:25 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
9288. Nachricht von n-tv.de
      Diese Nachricht aus dem Angebot von n-tv.de wurde Ihnen von udomet@gmx.de mit folgender Mitteilung gesandt: us-marines cut the border fence Irak-Kuweit. Udo
      Mar 07, 2003 @ 19:12 - udomet@gmx.de (<udomet@...>)
9289. Re: [BoundaryPoint] iq-kw was Nachricht von n-tv.de
      here it is in english http://news.yahoo.com/fc?tmpl=fc&cid=34&in=us&cat=us_armed_forces cool info about demarcation here:
      Mar 07, 2003 @ 20:21 - Victor Cantore (Victor Cantore <drpotatoes@...>)
9290. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Natural disasters - shifting borders?
      hi Francisco, i ve heard of shifting border rivers before and how they cause problems obviously. i m attaching a scan of el paso, tx and how the rio grande
      Mar 07, 2003 @ 20:32 - Victor Cantore (Victor Cantore <drpotatoes@yahoo.com>)
9291. Re: Botswana - Namibia Border Agreement
      ... & because the mentioned sedudu island is at or just above the confluence of the chobe with the zambezi river the findings of this commission will probably
      Mar 07, 2003 @ 20:54 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9292. a ton of stock from stockton california
      thanx anton for these sentiments & bon voyage & vis tecum in revisiting & resolving the jungholz point ... as ... EU
      Mar 07, 2003 @ 21:04 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9293. Map of Iraq-Kuwait border
      Map of the Iraq-Kuwait border: http://www.un.org/Depts/Cartographic/map/dpko/unikom.pdf
      Mar 07, 2003 @ 21:49 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
9294. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Map of Iraq-Kuwait border
      Hi, Can anyone explain the administrative border in the north-east and south-east of sudan? here is a map: http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/africa/sudan.jpg
      Mar 07, 2003 @ 22:15 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
9295. Egypt-Sudan Administrative Border
      ... and south-east of sudan? ... Hi Chris, I guess it s just another way to say de facto border. Francisco, Portugal
      Mar 07, 2003 @ 22:48 - Francisco ("Francisco" <xuax@...>)
9296. CA-US New rules -- newspaper commentary
      Commentary from The Globe and Mail (one of Canada s national newspapers): Welcome to the border Canadians crossing into the U.S. will now be caught in a
      Mar 08, 2003 @ 00:09 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
9297. Re: Egypt-Sudan Administrative Border
      Hi, Francesco, Here are some texts about this area (below your quote). Note that the reference to the Triangle is only about the area north of the straight
      Mar 08, 2003 @ 05:10 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
9298. Egypt/Sudan Triangle Dispute
      Greetings, Francesco. This replies to your question about this area. These are four quotes from various sources. There are actually two issues going on here
      Mar 08, 2003 @ 05:14 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
9299. EERU pier?
      my Baltic maps show some sort of mall or pier that is either awfully close to or on EERU at where Narva river flows into Peipsi, south of Vasknarva EE and
      Mar 08, 2003 @ 07:11 - Karolis B. ("Karolis B." <kbajoraz@...>)
9300. Andorran border markers
      I was asking Eef Berns about the Andorran tripoints and border markers. Eef is referring to the lack of border treaties etc, and concludes: The borders of
      Mar 08, 2003 @ 07:57 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9301. Re: Andorran border markers
      ... Jesper, Someone recently (two months ago, perhaps) posted a notice about a new road roundabout on the NE AND-F border. The map to which a provided link
      Mar 08, 2003 @ 14:03 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
9302. liechtenstein enclaves and fragments
      hi, heres another fragment of Planken. its north of the main area of planken and surrounded by a fragment of Schaan and a fragment of Vaduz. Regards, Chris
      Mar 08, 2003 @ 16:26 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@gmx.de>)
9303. funny, sowjet unter-zoegersdorf
      http://www.monochrom.at/sowjet-unterzoegersdorf/bilder11.htm funny site about the last sowjet enclave in austria(!) regards, chris
      Mar 08, 2003 @ 17:36 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
9304. Re: Natural disasters - shifting borders?
      nice question victor & i think the reason you are getting no direct answers to it is that such a borderchanging earthquake has probably never come up in
      Mar 08, 2003 @ 18:32 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9305. Re: iq-kw was Nachricht von n-tv.de
      this question comes from nice california a real place on clear lake i generally skip war posts & sad border offerings since it is important for me to maintain
      Mar 08, 2003 @ 19:02 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9306. Re: Egypt-Sudan Administrative Border
      this isnt the only one there is one in the south of sudan too there are particular arrangements brownlie explains both very well
      Mar 08, 2003 @ 19:05 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9307. Re: EG-SD Adm border->EGKESD
      EGKESD might even be a quadro-point. Jesper ... From: acroorca2002 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 8:05 PM Subject:
      Mar 08, 2003 @ 19:16 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
9308. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: EG-SD Adm border->EGKESD
      isnt this the double-border Kenya-Sudan, i was asking about? are double borders allowed to be counted as two? ;-) ... From: Jesper Nielsen To:
      Mar 08, 2003 @ 19:28 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
9309. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: EG-SD Adm border->EGKESD
      Well, if the administrative border actually does hit the tripoint, you can say the point has four borders joining in one point. One of the border might be
      Mar 08, 2003 @ 19:37 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9310. Egypt Sudan Quadpoint - water changing boundaries?
      The X formed where the administrative boundary between northern Sudan and southern Egypt crosses the de-facto boundary forms a quad point. Further west from
      Mar 09, 2003 @ 01:12 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
9311. Maps and tripoints of Palau
      At http://www.palaunet.com/html/maps.html there are links to some really good maps of Palau.
      Mar 09, 2003 @ 17:32 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
9312. CIGNLR, CIGNh, LRh,
      Extracts from a letter received by my friend Ginge Fullen (who s currently climbing the highest points in every country in Africa), from a geologist who worked
      Mar 09, 2003 @ 17:33 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
9313. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Egypt Sudan Quadpoint - water changing boundaries?
      Here is a nice zoomable map of the tp http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/EART/g8030s200s6.html Unfortunately the administrative line is not present. Jesper ... From:
      Mar 09, 2003 @ 18:47 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9314. German-German border
      http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/documents/BorderOps/ch6.htm
      Mar 09, 2003 @ 21:55 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9315. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Border Towns Are Close Enough to Touch but Worlds Apart
      It s a weird situation with the US borders these days. As a Canadian, I deal with the border on nearly a weekly basis. It is but 35km south of my Vancouver
      Mar 09, 2003 @ 18:55 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
9316. Zero Avenue Border Guard Picture
      It took some time to locate the photographer who took the picture of the US Border Patrol and RCMP Officers on Zero Avenue, the one in USAtoday and MacCleans.
      Mar 10, 2003 @ 02:56 - averillhecht ("averillhecht" <alhecht@...>)
9317. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
      Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File : /12 used
      Mar 10, 2003 @ 02:59 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com (BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com )
9318. Re: EERU pier?
      On http://maps.ekk.ee/natura/ , the pier starts out from the Russian bank, but crosses into Estonia. But I guess it all depends on the recognition by the two
      Mar 10, 2003 @ 16:50 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
9319. Re: CIGNLR, CIGNh, LRh,
      do you think the concrete post may be the marker in message 6083 anyway i feel very satisfied by this info & send good luck from fortuna california ... Cote
      Mar 10, 2003 @ 21:04 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9320. Re: EG-SD Adm border->EGKESD
      yet it is an either or situation not a both and & like that iraqi sliver hard to evaluate ... you can say the point has four borders joining in one point. One
      Mar 10, 2003 @ 21:07 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9321. Re: CIGNLR, CIGNh, LRh,
      ... I think it is, though I can t recall now how you deduced its existence. ... So do I. I do wish he d had a chance to live in the guest-house, though. It
      Mar 11, 2003 @ 01:24 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
9322. Re: [BoundaryPoint] German-German border
      Great find! Thanks, Jesper! ...
      Mar 11, 2003 @ 04:34 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
9323. Borderpics VicFalls ZambiaZimbabwe
      Hello everybody, one of the world s most spectacular waterfalls must be the Vic(toria)Falls of the Zambezi River... I had the chance of flying over the falls
      Mar 11, 2003 @ 10:07 - Peter Hering (Peter Hering <hering@mail.dk>)
9324. Borderpic Z.A.-Lesotho enter in peace!
      Hello again - May 1980 - same trip: a picture from the SouthAfrican - Lesotho border: near Ficksburg - Caledon River marking border here... crossing into
      Mar 11, 2003 @ 10:14 - Peter Hering (Peter Hering <hering@mail.dk>)
9325. International Border Research Group is founded
      The International Border Research Group (IBRG) has been founded as an NGO (non-governmental organisation) with the main purpose of organising border area
      Mar 11, 2003 @ 11:13 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
9326. News about Barak (the Kyrgyz' exclave)
      The following was in the news today: RADIO FREE EUROPE/RADIO LIBERTY, PRAGUE, CZECH REPUBLIC ___________________________________________________________ RFE/RL
      Mar 11, 2003 @ 15:30 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
9327. Re: News about Barak (the Kyrgyz' exclave)
      ... Interesting. This site http://www.eurasianet.org/resource/kyrgyzstan/hypermail/200104/0053.ht ml specifically states that the enclave did not exist in
      Mar 11, 2003 @ 18:32 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
9328. Re: News about Barak (the Kyrgyz' exclave)
      In Soviet times, these borders weren t a big deal. They were not demarcated, and the maps where they were depicted were not very accurate (well, maybe the maps
      Mar 11, 2003 @ 18:55 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
9329. [BoundaryPoint] Re: News about Barak (the Kyrgyz' exclave)
      It would make sense for Barak to be not an enclave in Soviet times as I have never found an old Soviet topo map that shows the existence of the enclaves.
      Mar 11, 2003 @ 19:33 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
9330. Re: CIGNLR, CIGNh, LRh,
      ... well i think my idea of the monument must have come from brownlie & the deductive process actually went 6083 6086 6107 6127 6134 which is why i was so
      Mar 11, 2003 @ 21:04 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9331. Re: Maps and tripoints of Palau
      great to see a brave new world of tripointing in store for us here nice find ... really good maps of Palau. ...
      Mar 11, 2003 @ 21:06 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9332. Re: News about Barak (the Kyrgyz' exclave)
      ... This very interesting document http://www.crisisweb.org/projects/asia/centralasia/reports/A400606_040 42002.pdf gives the count as a very precise 627
      Mar 11, 2003 @ 22:28 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
9333. Re: Maps and tripoints of Palau -faulty link
      This link you provided didn t work. Got another? LN
      Mar 12, 2003 @ 02:56 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
9334. Re: funny, sowjet unter-zoegersdorf
      The whole story about the trip to this town is a riot! LN
      Mar 12, 2003 @ 03:08 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
9335. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Maps and tripoints of Palau -faulty link
      ... From: L. A. Nadybal To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 3:56 AM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Maps and tripoints of Palau
      Mar 12, 2003 @ 07:27 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
9336. Re: News about Barak (the Kyrgyz' exclave)
      I suspect this is a mistake. In the last article in the Veèernij Biškek about the enclave that I found (21 Febr. 2003), it reads over 600 people (
      Mar 12, 2003 @ 09:53 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
9337. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: News about Barak (the Kyrgyz' exclave)
      ... From: Grant Hutchison To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 11:28 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: News about Barak (the Kyrgyz
      Mar 12, 2003 @ 10:58 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
9338. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: News about Barak (the Kyrgyz' exclave)
      There are, as far as I know, six enclaves within Kyrgyzstan: two Tajik ones (the ones mentioned), and four Uzbek ones. The confusion comes, I think, from the
      Mar 12, 2003 @ 11:52 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
9339. -faulty link- works now-thanks
      
      Mar 12, 2003 @ 14:02 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
9340. More news about Barak exclave (Kyrgyzstan)
      The following was in the news yesterday: RADIO FREE EUROPE/RADIO LIBERTY, PRAGUE, CZECH REPUBLIC ___________________________________________________________
      Mar 12, 2003 @ 15:53 - Christian Berghänel (=?Windows-1252?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
9341. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: News about Barak (the Kyrgyz' exclave)
      ... Here http://eng.gateway.kg/batken there is a description of seven enclaves in Kyrgyzstan, albeit slightly hazy in the detail: Vorukh and western Qalacha
      Mar 12, 2003 @ 16:05 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
9342. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: News about Barak (the Kyrgyz' exclave)
      Hi, in message 1538 Peter Smaardijk published an map of the region. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/1538 im not sure, but maybe we can see
      Mar 12, 2003 @ 16:31 - 23568@gmx.de (<23568@...>)
9343. Border of San Marino
      Peers, Has anybody researched the border of San Marino? Is it demarcated? It seems that San Marino borders the Italian provinces Marche and Emilia Romagna. But
      Mar 12, 2003 @ 16:34 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
9344. Re: News about Barak (the Kyrgyz' exclave)
      I m afraid not. The scan is not brilliant, but that spot is the name of the river, also called Sokh. Peter S. ... Sokh. ... exclave) ... two ... known ...
      Mar 12, 2003 @ 16:52 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
9345. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: News about Barak (the Kyrgyz' exclave)
      hi peter, what a pity... ;-) chris ... From: Peter Smaardijk To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 5:52 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint]
      Mar 12, 2003 @ 16:55 - chris ("chris" <23568@...>)
9346. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: News about Barak (the Kyrgyz' exclave)
      ... And it s new to me, too. I can find Tajan on the 500k map http://mapy.mk.cvut.cz/data/Centr._Asia/Topo%20maps_500k/J-42-B.jpg (practically on the Soch
      Mar 12, 2003 @ 17:03 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
9347. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: News about Barak (the Kyrgyz' exclave)
      ... Maybe ... is ... Or this source is not very accurate. A quick search on the Russophone internet mentions Tajan a couple of times, but never as an enclave.
      Mar 12, 2003 @ 17:15 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
9348. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: News about Barak (the Kyrgyz' exclave)
      ... Russophone ... against ... So that would make these 40ha of arable land part of Sokh at present, but once earmarked for potential exchange to Kyrgyzstan?
      Mar 12, 2003 @ 17:48 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
9349. Re: Border of San Marino
      ... I don t know... ... Yes, there is a fragment of the municipality of Verucchio (Emilia Romagna) bordering the south-west corner of San Marino. The part is
      Mar 12, 2003 @ 17:48 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
9350. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: News about Barak (the Kyrgyz' exclave)
      ... enclave. ... between ... plan ... Maybe part of Soch, maybe indeed an enclave, I don t know, but yes, once earmarked for potential exchange to Kyrgyzstan.
      Mar 12, 2003 @ 18:15 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
9351. [BoundaryPoint] Re: Border of San Marino and Sokh
      Yes, there is a fragment of Emilia-Romagna on the border of San Marino. I am attaching a map of the fragment from the Emilia-Romagna site. I knew of eight
      Mar 12, 2003 @ 19:54 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@yahoo.com>)
9352. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Borderpic Z.A.-Lesotho enter in peace!
      ... From: Peter Hering To: BoundaryPoint gruppen Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 11:14 AM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Borderpic Z.A.-Lesotho enter in peace! Hello
      Mar 12, 2003 @ 19:40 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
9353. Barak
      Hi, is this the Barak, we re talking about? Regards, Chris
      Mar 12, 2003 @ 20:13 - chris ("chris" <23568@gmx.de>)
9354. Re: International Border Research Group is founded
      congrats & bon voyage to jan & all from sparks nevada & please do continue to remember us here at bp too with all your nonexclusive tripointing news indeed i
      Mar 12, 2003 @ 20:37 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9355. Re: Maps and tripoints of Palau -faulty link
      yes it looks like at least 7 previously unreported tripoints all with exotic to unpronounceable names all probably tucked away on some high inaccessible saddle
      Mar 12, 2003 @ 20:52 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9356. Re: Barak
      No, the name of this village is Balik. Barak is administratively part of Ak-Tas village. This village can be seen on
      Mar 12, 2003 @ 21:20 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
9357. Barak - possible location
      This is a bit more clear. I have underlined the name of Ak-Tash. Peter S. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting
      Mar 12, 2003 @ 21:27 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
9358. Re: Barak
      ... .... Valik, even. Sorry for that. Peter S.
      Mar 12, 2003 @ 21:42 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
9359. India - Bangladeshi enclaves
      At http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/EART/maps/india250k/ng45_8.jpg you can see some enclaves in the India - Bangladeshi (East Pakistan) area. Index for other maps
      Mar 12, 2003 @ 22:06 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@swipnet.se>)
9360. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Barak - possible location
      ... From: Peter Smaardijk To: BoundaryPoint Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 10:27 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Barak - possible location This is a bit more
      Mar 12, 2003 @ 22:22 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
9361. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Barak - possible location
      http://www.interfax.com/com?item=Kyrg&pg=0&id=5623586&req= here is a message from 2003 03 07 regards chris ... From: Christian Berghänel To:
      Mar 13, 2003 @ 00:21 - chris ("chris" <23568@...>)
9362. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] Barak - possible location
      That is strange. I have read a couple of times in Russian articles that Barak is part of Ak-Taš. Cf. http://www.caapr.kz/show.php?caa2103-02.htm The writer
      Mar 13, 2003 @ 09:17 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
9363. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] Barak - possible location
      That looked bad. I ll try again. If it still doesn t work: Ak-Tas and Os are written with an s-caron; Andizan with a z-caron. That is strange. I have read a
      Mar 13, 2003 @ 09:36 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
9364. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] Barak - possible location
      ... GeoNet lists a village in Uzbekistan called Barat or Barak at 40 33N, 71 42E, quite close to Margilan but lying to its NE, rather than in the direction of
      Mar 13, 2003 @ 18:08 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
9365. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] Barak - possible location
      ... say ... But why would a Kyrgyz village be part of an Uzbek village council? Grant
      Mar 13, 2003 @ 18:11 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
9366. Latest news about the Uzbek- / Kyrgyzstan border (incl Barak)
      In the news today: RFE/RL Central Asia Report Vol. 3, No. 11, 13 March 2003 MINEFIELDS TO NEGOTIATE AS TENSE BORDER TALKS RESTART IN TASHKENT. Relations
      Mar 13, 2003 @ 17:26 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
9367. SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] Barak - possible location
      ... From: Grant Hutchison To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 7:08 PM Subject: Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] Barak - possible location
      Mar 13, 2003 @ 19:36 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
9368. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] Barak - possible location
      ... Ak-Taš is a Kyrgyz village. Peter S.
      Mar 13, 2003 @ 20:06 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
9369. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] Barak - possible location
      ... Oops. Misread your map, sorry. G
      Mar 13, 2003 @ 20:44 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
9370. Fw: question about barak
      Hi, in google i found some links about barak, similar to those, peter posted on boundary point. In the following link i found a tiny info:
      Mar 14, 2003 @ 08:44 - chris ("chris" <23568@...>)
9371. More news on Barak
      http://www.akipress.org/datanew.php?tab=news&numb=5404 : (translation mine) ... Problem of Kyrgyz enclave in Uzbekistan solved During a session of the
      Mar 14, 2003 @ 10:06 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
9372. Re: More news on Barak
      At http://www.vb.kg/2003/03/14/panorama/2.html basically the same news item, but with one extra detail: the road to be opened runs from Barak (KG) via
      Mar 14, 2003 @ 12:43 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
9373. MX-US Radio Feature
      There is a Public Radio (US) International radio feature on art on the MX-US border: Calexico, California and Mexicali, Mexico are two desert towns, yards away
      Mar 14, 2003 @ 17:54 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
9374. MX-US Border: Website for the Binational Mural Project
      Lots of border pictures here: http://www.binationalmuralproject.com/ Doug Murray Doug Murray Productions / Border Films CBC Infomatrix / CBC POV Sports
      Mar 14, 2003 @ 18:23 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
9375. Border N-S Corea
      Pics of the border north-south corea you can see here (HP general staff switzerland army). It´s in french, english and italiano.
      Mar 14, 2003 @ 18:45 - udomet@gmx.de (udomet@...)
9376. multipointing report from salida colorado
      your old faithful mobile unit is bearing down now on the ever mysterious ksmook followed maybe by the also enigmatic armook from a little sw of coc here it may
      Mar 14, 2003 @ 20:18 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9377. New to group / Estcourt, Maine
      Greetings, everyone - this is my first post to the group. I live on the CA-US border, near Lexington, Michigan. My back yard ends at Lake Huron and, where the
      Mar 14, 2003 @ 20:28 - hilversum96 ("hilversum96" <hilversum96@...>)
9378. Tripoint (China-Kyrgyzstan-Tajikistan)
      For you tripoint-fanatics: This map ( http://mapy.mk.cvut.cz/data/Centr._Asia/kurumdy.jpg ) shows the tripoint of cn-kg-tj. Looks like it is situated on top of
      Mar 14, 2003 @ 21:13 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
9379. Witness markers
      From: Iraq-Kuwait Border Demarcation Commission http://www.meij.or.jp/text/border/Kuwait-Iraq/irqkwt9305.htm each location one witness mark on the Iraqi side
      Mar 15, 2003 @ 06:01 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9380. Re: Witness markers
      thanx for pulling out the highlight from here in garden city kansas i imagine the soviets & the postsoviets too must have been very considerate & deliberate
      Mar 15, 2003 @ 16:51 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9381. Re: Tripoint (China-Kyrgyzstan-Tajikistan)
      thanx christian thats a virgin too & no pix yet but here is a schematic diagram & even a guided mountaineering tour offer
      Mar 15, 2003 @ 17:07 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9382. Re: New to group / Estcourt, Maine
      welcome hilversum maybe the links in message 7933 will clarify this for you but if not i know there are many others in that vicinity possibly worth searching
      Mar 15, 2003 @ 17:27 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9383. Re: New to group / Estcourt, Maine
      Great! Thank you. I see where the gas station is. One other question - on this map, where is the US customs house? I know - the US ending at the beach is more
      Mar 15, 2003 @ 22:13 - hilversum96 ("hilversum96" <hilversum96@...>)
9384. Satellite view CA-US
      Ok, this is stretching it a bit... but the new commercial for the Hummer H2 (North American broadcast) was shot all around Vancouver. At the end, the shot
      Mar 16, 2003 @ 18:11 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
9385. Border Bug
      I may be infected by the border bug: http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2003-03/12/content_773484.htm Jesper
      Mar 16, 2003 @ 20:45 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9386. Nice site on AU borders
      http://www.auslig.gov.au/facts/dimensions/borders.htm
      Mar 16, 2003 @ 21:06 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9387. Missing Berlin Wall Touches off Dispute Over Desolate Checkpoint Charlie
      Mar 16, 2003 Missing Berlin Wall Touches off Dispute Over Desolate Checkpoint Charlie By Stephen Graham Associated Press Writer BERLIN (AP) - Trekking south
      Mar 16, 2003 @ 21:13 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
9388. Re: Satellite view CA-US
      Doug, Just wondered if you got the pictures of the border guys on No. Zero Avenue. These are the ones I said I would look for over a year ago and just now
      Mar 16, 2003 @ 22:15 - Averill Hecht ("Averill Hecht" <alhecht@...>)
9389. US Interstate & International quads.doc
      U. S. INTERSTATE & INTERNATIONAL QUAD-COUNTY POINTS 1. AR-LA Ashley-Union AR----Morehouse-Union LA N 33 00’ 29” W 92 04’ 08” Ouachita River 2.
      Mar 17, 2003 @ 03:38 - jparsell ("jparsell" <jparsell@northnet.org>)
9390. Re: Missing Berlin Wall Touches off Dispute Over Desolate Checkpoint Charlie
      It s strange - about two blocks west of the intersection where checkpoint charlie was there is also a fairly long section of the wall left in place, and all
      Mar 17, 2003 @ 04:40 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
9391. Cooch Behar
      http://www.pscw.uva.nl/asia/vanschendel0101.htm Hi, here you may find an article of 51 pages about the cooch-behar region, regards, chris
      Mar 17, 2003 @ 12:52 - chris ("chris" <23568@...>)
9392. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Missing Berlin Wall Touches off Dispute Over Desolate Checkpoint Charlie
      Hy, I am from Berlin - Germany ! East !! I can your say, it give more parts from the wall, still today to say, as is write here ! Then, as are build the wall,
      Mar 17, 2003 @ 20:37 - Steffan B. ("=?iso-8859-1?q?Steffan=20B.?=" <stbruns31@...>)
9393. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Nice site on AU borders
      So no mention of AU enclaves in NZ or vice versa. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you ll ever need on one web page
      Mar 18, 2003 @ 22:45 - Bramwell Hayes (=?iso-8859-1?q?Bramwell=20Hayes?= <bramwellhayes@...>)
9394. Re: Missing Berlin Wall Touches off Dispute Over Desolate Checkpoint Charlie
      I think this article (written by a newspaper, not Bill) was put in here because it was about the border. This is not about politics, though you are as full of
      Mar 19, 2003 @ 03:59 - Karolis B. ("Karolis B." <kbajoraz@...>)
9395. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Missing Berlin Wall Touches off Dispute Over Desolate Checkpoint Charlie
      Karolis, thanks for those comments. Perhaps I should have made it clearer that it the article was posted solely because of its relevance to border issues. No
      Mar 19, 2003 @ 12:43 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
9396. Junagadh and Manawadar query
      Friends, At the giant cz-mapsite, sited here recently, there is an interesting Pakistani map at:
      Mar 19, 2003 @ 16:32 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
9397. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Junagadh and Manawadar query
      The territory is directly south of the Rann of Kutch in the Gujarat area, which does show up on the main map on the southeastern part of Pakistan. It is
      Mar 19, 2003 @ 17:16 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
9398. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Junagadh and Manawadar query
      http://www.defencejournal.com/apr99/pak-nuclear-doctrine.htm ups, dont take it to serious, especially in these days, but they talk about the region. regards,
      Mar 19, 2003 @ 18:31 - chris ("chris" <23568@...>)
9399. CA-US border -- the effects of (pre-)war
      Wednesday  »  March 19  »  2003 Crossing the border? Be ready for 2-hour wait Travellers pay the price of heightened U.S. security   Tom Blackwell and
      Mar 19, 2003 @ 18:35 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
9400. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Junagadh and Manawadar query
      http://www.8ung.at/enklaven/net/gwadar.gif here is a another map. regards, chris ... From: Ernst Stavro Blofeld To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent:
      Mar 19, 2003 @ 18:46 - chris ("chris" <23568@...>)
9401. Re: Missing Berlin Wall Touches off Dispute Over Desolate Checkpoint Charlie
      welcome steffan glad you could join our party & dont mind karolis thats just how he is & thanx bill for this clarification & may i also suggest to you bill &
      Mar 19, 2003 @ 19:12 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9402. Re: US Interstate & International quads.doc
      very tastefully & beautifully done maestro so you had 5 in all which i missed in message 8679 & to me who also tried so earnestly that is a very impressive job
      Mar 19, 2003 @ 20:28 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9403. Nothing about Berlin, nothing about borders
      ... excuse me? and it seems like someone is not staying very true to their thoughts that clarificaiton should always be attached to non-bounding comments...
      Mar 19, 2003 @ 21:31 - Karolis B. ("Karolis B." <kbajoraz@...>)
9404. Re: Nothing about Berlin, nothing about borders
      it was attached & clear in the original message 9401 karolis but now again you yourself have detached & thereby mutilated it & just to be clear again now i
      Mar 19, 2003 @ 21:44 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9405. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Dubki
      http://www.maaamet.ee/uusuit/Map/DisplayMap.asp?OutputFile=http%3A//www.maaa met.ee/cache/%257B70180F04-6DFA-4191-B374-998711512B25%257D.jpg&LastMSSFile=
      Mar 19, 2003 @ 22:22 - chris ("chris" <23568@...>)
9406. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Dubki
      ... From: chris To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 11:22 PM Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Dubki
      Mar 20, 2003 @ 05:51 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
9407. ksmook revisited
      http://topozone.com/map.asp?z=15&n=4095749&e=356612&s=25&symshow=n shows the trijunction layout the square symbol covering the tripoint there indicates what
      Mar 20, 2003 @ 07:33 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
9408. Re: US Interstate & International quads.doc
      & jack let me add after closer study & without at all diminishing your & our accomplishment here that your inoh3budefrha find is imo undeniably real as the
      Mar 20, 2003 @ 10:58 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9409. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Re-run, Berlin exclaves
      I found a picture of one of the Boettcherberg Exklaves. It was taken between 1984 and 1988 and shows a piece of the SW exklave. It seems they did put a wall
      Mar 20, 2003 @ 16:56 - John Kelly ("John Kelly" <johnkelly@...>)
9410. Re: Re-run, Berlin exclaves
      I m a bit puzzled. Isn t it so that this site uses the word exclave for something that isn t an exclave? There were exclaves within Boettcherberg (the western
      Mar 20, 2003 @ 17:30 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
9411. armook revisited
      http://topozone.com/map.asp?lat=36.5&lon=-94.62&s=25&symshow=n shows the situation of the tripoint & in view of all the questions raised in the improbable but
      Mar 20, 2003 @ 19:15 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
9412. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Re-run, Berlin exclaves
      I am not absolutely sure that the picture shows one of the Bottcherberg Western exclaves within the city of Potsdam. Recognizing that the thorough fellows in
      Mar 20, 2003 @ 21:20 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
9413. ilkymo kyohwv & njnypa revisited
      next there followed in rapid succession very casual revisits to ilkymo kyohwv & njnypa each as viewed thru fluffy surface fog from nearby bridges on 3
      Mar 20, 2003 @ 22:30 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
9414. corrections Re: ilkymo kyohwv & njnypa revisited
      oops url is hopefully corrected in text below & it is worth looking at such a nice proruption but i realize now ky does project to the middle of the
      Mar 20, 2003 @ 22:44 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9415. Afghanistan-China Border
      The countries of Afghanistan and China share a common border of approximately 38 miles, located at the east end of the Wakhan Corridor in Afghanistan. There
      Mar 20, 2003 @ 23:04 - kirkman123 ("kirkman123" <kirkman123@...>)
9416. Re: Afghanistan-China Border
      welcome kirk some recent info here http://www.iwpr.net/archive/arr/arr_200210_32_3_eng.txt but no pix & we have no data at all yet on either tripoint must be
      Mar 20, 2003 @ 23:28 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9417. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Re-run, Berlin exclaves
      Actually, after posting, I re-read the article and realized what it really said. Also, that part of the wall should have been convex, not concave, looking in
      Mar 21, 2003 @ 01:06 - John Kelly ("John Kelly" <johnkelly@...>)
9418. CA-US: Zero Ave Report
      March 20, 2003 After several hours of watching the events in Iraq unfold on my TV this morning, I decided to switch it all off. I found I spent more time
      Mar 21, 2003 @ 01:37 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
9419. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CA-US: Zero Ave Report
      This morning I drove to Port Huron and parked near the Blue Water bridge for a few minutes. I didn t see any long truck backups, but I saw no passenger
      Mar 21, 2003 @ 02:10 - Tom Sanders (Tom Sanders <hilversum96@...>)
9420. Re: CA-US: Zero Ave Report
      ok doug i think i understand so far but then why mention it why are you inviting our attention again here to these topics or nontopics as the case may be or
      Mar 21, 2003 @ 02:36 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9421. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Afghanistan-China Border
      http://www.law.fsu.edu/library/collection/LimitsinSeas/IBS089.pdf Jesper http://www.nicolette.dk/borderbase ... From: acroorca2002 To:
      Mar 21, 2003 @ 05:26 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9422. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Re-run, Berlin exclaves
      hi, i tried to find a map, that shows the situation on boettcherberg. the best map i found i send as attachment. i found it here:
      Mar 21, 2003 @ 08:44 - chris (chris <23568@gmx.de>)
9423. Besaide: ES2ARBIGI
      Besaide is the place where the three provinces of the Basque Autonomous Community (Biscay, Gipuzkoa, and Araba) meet. A picture can be seen at
      Mar 21, 2003 @ 09:29 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
9424. Re: Fw: question about barak
      hi, i found a link, that talks about large amounts of enclaves, comparable to barak. the chairman of the Kyrgyz government for frontier questions Salamat
      Mar 21, 2003 @ 10:55 - max23568 ("max23568" <23568@...>)
9425. Re: Besaide: ES2ARBIGI
      thanx esthetically pleasing as well as rare to find an entity with a single yet comprehensive multipoint luxembourg is a world class exemplar to stand on such
      Mar 21, 2003 @ 13:58 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9426. Iron Curtain Remnants
      Hello All: I am looking for some locations along the former Iron Curtain that still have some of the old watch towers and buildings standing. If there are
      Mar 21, 2003 @ 16:00 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
9427. Re: Iron Curtain Remnants
      hi doug & thanx for the candor & by sheer coincidence i myself am now looking for magic carpet remnants too but why do you so like the watch towers maybe we
      Mar 22, 2003 @ 13:22 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9428. Secerssionist States (Seborga, Thomond, etc.)
      This is a developing site y all might be interested in. What s is there so far is good background and graphics: http://www.imperial-collection.net/index2.html
      Mar 22, 2003 @ 15:26 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
9429. the odd couple of txus & esus
      together at last the only 2 known former international boundary stones in the usa both still working rocks republic of texas 1840 & kingdom of spain 1799
      Mar 22, 2003 @ 15:41 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@hotmail.com>)
9430. Arbara: ES2ARGINA
      The other tripoint in the Southern Basque Country: Between Araba (Basque Auton. Comm.), Gipuzkoa (B.A.C.), and Navarre:
      Mar 22, 2003 @ 16:25 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
9431. Re: [BoundaryPoint] the odd couple of txus & esus
      On Saturday 22 March 2003 10:41 am, you wrote: Nice finds, especially TXUS. BJB ... -- Brian J. Butler BJB Software, Inc. 508-429-1441 bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com
      Mar 22, 2003 @ 16:14 - Brian J. Butler (Brian J. Butler <bjbutler@...>)
9432. Re: Arbara: ES2ARGINA
      very nice & just to complete the basic basque punctoscopy since i believe we may now be able to do so with the grand total of major tripoints already shaping
      Mar 22, 2003 @ 21:04 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9433. new alflga was re the odd couple of txus & esus
      thanx brian & here for an ellicott encore are the first known pix of 21st century alflga the monument is really just a glorified signpost towering above the
      Mar 23, 2003 @ 02:35 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@hotmail.com>)
9434. Re: [BoundaryPoint] new alflga was re the odd couple of txus & esus
      mike, wonderful photos in your last few posts thoroughly enjoyable vc ... __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum -
      Mar 23, 2003 @ 05:33 - Victor Cantore (Victor Cantore <drpotatoes@...>)
9435. ellicott mound was new alflga etc
      thank you doctor & as you will see i am fading fast along with my fried roll of film but attached is a final ellicott encore my anticlimactic piece de
      Mar 23, 2003 @ 16:21 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@hotmail.com>)
9436. Israel - West Bank
      Israeli workers build the security fence. Photo at: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/030323/241/3lk26.html Francisco, PT
      Mar 23, 2003 @ 18:13 - Francisco Santos ("Francisco Santos" <xuax@netvisao.pt>)
9437. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Iron Curtain Remnants
      Sounds great! My reason for asking about east-west remnants is that I was contacted by National Geographic magazine. I ve been chatting with them about how
      Mar 23, 2003 @ 21:05 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
9438. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Iron Curtain Remnants
      hi doug, http://www.stadt-gefell.de/Museum/museum.htm http://www.grenzerinnerungen.de/grenzmuseum.htm these are links to the border-village mödlareuth. its
      Mar 23, 2003 @ 22:22 - 23568@gmx.de (<23568@...>)
9439. afcntj & afcnpk was Re: Afghanistan-China Border
      good point so thanx to this info & also ibs number 85 re cnpk we do at least have the following afcn tripoint data afcntj peak kokrash kol aka povalo
      Mar 24, 2003 @ 14:45 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9440. afcntj & afcnpk was Re: Afghanistan-China Border
      & i believe gideon says about this border that the chinese didnt even know they had it til the middle of the 20th century a century after it had been
      Mar 24, 2003 @ 14:59 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9441. Re: Arbara: ES2ARGINA ... and others
      Internal Basque tripoints: EH2GILANA (Gipuzkoa, Lapurdi, Navarre) a.k.a. ESFR2GINAPY (Gipuzkoa, Navarre, Pyrénées Atlantiques): In the Bidasoa river,
      Mar 24, 2003 @ 17:27 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
9442. Mehatche/Mehaxia: EH2LANANB
      First picture at http://membres.lycos.fr/fetedescerises/histoire.htm Peter S. ... (Gipuzkoa, ... the ... 230. ... Lower ... Navarre; ... namely ... the
      Mar 24, 2003 @ 19:20 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
9443. Xapitelako Harria - the main Basque tripoint
      ESFR2GINAPY, EH2GILANA, or even ESFR2AQEUNA (Aquitaine, Euskadi, Nafarroa)...: The spot is known as Xapitelako Harria (Chapitelaco-arria in the boundary
      Mar 24, 2003 @ 20:32 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
9444. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Xapitelako Harria - the main Basque tripoint
      Here is a map with contours from the Navarra web site of the same Basque point. Arif __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo!
      Mar 24, 2003 @ 22:45 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@yahoo.com>)
9445. Re: Xapitelako Harria - the main Basque tripoint
      great idea peter & very interesting besides to do the punctoscopy entirely from the basque point of view & i realize it is full of unsolved problems since the
      Mar 25, 2003 @ 12:34 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9446. Re: Xapitelako Harria - the main Basque tripoint
      how many bascocentric ... oops excuse this as i see you have already addressed & identified both of these but i am still trying to figure out if your total is
      Mar 25, 2003 @ 13:18 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9447. Re: Xapitelako Harria - > Basque enclaves etc.
      ... Yes, but not officially. In fact, it is discouraged (e.g. by the Egunkaria newspaper journalist manual) to use Iparralde on the same level as the southern
      Mar 25, 2003 @ 13:37 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
9448. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Xapitelako Harria - > Basque enclaves etc.
      ... Indeed it is. ... EU is on the ISO 3166-1 reserved list, so it can t be used for any other country or territory. ... In theory, ISO 3166-2 exists for
      Mar 25, 2003 @ 14:38 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
9449. Re: Xapitelako Harria - > Basque enclaves etc.
      ... other ... countries, ... entire ... entertains the ... sovereign ... Hi Kevin, I was aware of that. Of course I was only joking... Peter S.
      Mar 25, 2003 @ 18:13 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
9450. ir-iq
      view of the closed border at Shalamcheh, Iran looking into iraq. iranian border guards on left. vc __________________________________________________ Do you
      Mar 25, 2003 @ 19:02 - Victor Cantore (Victor Cantore <drpotatoes@yahoo.com>)
9451. Berlin wall
      more them 250 pics from Berlin wall of www.pohl-projekt.de If you go on Berliner Mauer/checkpoint charlie you can see the tumult to 13.8.1989 and ather pics.
      Mar 25, 2003 @ 20:20 - udomet@gmx.de (udomet@...)
9452. Re: Xapitelako Harria - > Basque enclaves etc.
      ... single ... spain ... the same ... South ... coat-of-arms, ... coat-of-arms ... Pyrénées ... imo the above train of thought is most telling it shows the
      Mar 25, 2003 @ 20:52 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9453. Re: Xapitelako Harria - > Basque enclaves etc.
      ... ... dont know ... any ... the ... ok but the misfortune isnt ours because basque spain alone is only half of what we were trying to encipher
      Mar 26, 2003 @ 13:32 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9454. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Xapitelako Harria - > Basque enclaves etc.
      ... Of course, ISO 3166 is most useful for Internet TLDs these days and there have been initiatives to create rTLDs (as opposed to gTLDs and ccTLDs) for
      Mar 26, 2003 @ 14:29 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
9455. To Chris
      I know Germans and Americans don t like each other, but this is pretty ridiculous. My e-mail to Chris just got bounced with the reason does not like
      Mar 26, 2003 @ 22:30 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
9456. Re: [BoundaryPoint] To Chris
      Hi Arif, thanks for your mail, politics are one item, personal relations are another (by the way my partner is US-american). funny things happen, i hope, that
      Mar 27, 2003 @ 10:08 - Chris Schulz ("Chris Schulz" <23568@gmx.de>)
9457. Re: [BoundaryPoint] To Chris
      Hi Arif, about 4-points: can it be, that we have a 4-point in liechtenstein? if - its on the northern border of the northern planken-enclave (fragment!) in
      Mar 27, 2003 @ 11:07 - Chris Schulz ("Chris Schulz" <23568@gmx.de>)
9458. Re: [BoundaryPoint] To Chris
      sorry, link should be http://www.8ung.at/enklaven/Frames/li-li.htm regards, chris ... From: Chris Schulz To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday,
      Mar 27, 2003 @ 11:15 - Chris Schulz ("Chris Schulz" <23568@gmx.de>)
9459. Re: To Chris
      ... it is clear from this message & the 3 followups from chris that you guys have actually been having a good humored side conversation as well as a fantastic
      Mar 27, 2003 @ 13:11 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9460. CA-US: News story on double stop system
      The latest on CAUS: Thursday » March 27 » 2003 U.S. might add layer at border Two stops each way   Bill Curry National Post Thursday, March 27, 2003
      Mar 27, 2003 @ 16:24 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
9461. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CA-US: News story on double stop system
      ... Why can t they do everything in one place, or would that be too sensible? Cheers, Kevin Meynell
      Mar 27, 2003 @ 17:02 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
9462. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CA-US: News story on double stop system
      They should copy the Ukranians: 1) at the actual border, a guard will give you (or a group) a handwritten piece of paper showing your number. 2) Passport and
      Mar 27, 2003 @ 17:14 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9463. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: To Chris
      hi, you re right, its secondary 4-points. the 4-points are on kanton-level. in liechtenstein i just know, that its the next level under national. regards,
      Mar 27, 2003 @ 17:18 - Chris Schulz ("Chris Schulz" <23568@...>)
9464. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: To Chris
      ups, and i forgot, its like in jungholz (or baarle)! chris ... From: Chris Schulz To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 6:18 PM
      Mar 27, 2003 @ 17:49 - Chris Schulz ("Chris Schulz" <23568@...>)
9465. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CA-US: News story on double stop system
      Exactly. Or, as I keep saying, have a unified North American system. Canada and the US do so much trade (each others biggest trading parters) that it would
      Mar 27, 2003 @ 18:12 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
9466. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CA-US: News story on double stop system
      Did we not also have to check (Czech -- ha ha) out of Slovakia? ...
      Mar 27, 2003 @ 18:13 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
9467. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CA-US: News story on double stop system
      Don t make me laugh, Doug - the border freaks best friend. J ... From: Doug Murray To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 7:13 PM
      Mar 27, 2003 @ 18:17 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9468. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CA-US: News story on double stop system
      Doug, ... Well I guess it s the typical reaction of politicians who feel they must be seen to be doing something to protect our borders . ... Err, well it
      Mar 27, 2003 @ 18:29 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
9469. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CA-US: News story on double stop system
      On Thursday 27 March 2003 01:29 pm, you wrote: Please get back to dicussing borders or start a separate political discussion group. Thanks. BJB ... -- Brian
      Mar 27, 2003 @ 18:41 - Brian J. Butler (Brian J. Butler <bjbutler@...>)
9470. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CA-US: News story on double stop system
      This looks like a border discussion to me, Brian. There are many less border orientated discussion in this group, such like palindromic place names, EU signs,
      Mar 27, 2003 @ 19:50 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9471. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CA-US: News story on double stop system
      How does the political pressures behind borders (as much about politics as geography) not fall into discussing borders. I fail to see the connection, or the
      Mar 27, 2003 @ 20:12 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
9472. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CA-US: News story on double stop system
      Without politics we wouldn t have any borders at all, except geographical borders - and those are rarely discussed here. Jesper ... From: Doug Murray To:
      Mar 27, 2003 @ 20:17 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9473. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CA-US: News story on double stop system
      On Thursday 27 March 2003 02:50 pm, you wrote: Ithink we should create separate groups for each of the above mentioned topics. In fact, we should probably
      Mar 27, 2003 @ 21:47 - Brian J. Butler (Brian J. Butler <bjbutler@...>)
9474. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CA-US: News story on double stop system
      On Thursday 27 March 2003 03:17 pm, you wrote: No argument, but I don t find the general phenomenon of borders all that interesting. I m interested in the
      Mar 27, 2003 @ 21:56 - Brian J. Butler (Brian J. Butler <bjbutler@...>)
9475. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CA-US: News story on double stop system
      On Thursday 27 March 2003 03:12 pm, you wrote: Political pressure might be related to borders, but I thought this group was about boundary points, especiallly
      Mar 27, 2003 @ 21:53 - Brian J. Butler (Brian J. Butler <bjbutler@...>)
9476. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CA-US: News story on double stop system
      Brian, ... Well it wasn t my intent to start this debate all over again with some throwaway remarks that were intended to be mildly humorous. This group should
      Mar 28, 2003 @ 00:07 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
9477. Iraq, Co. Monaghan
      Here s an interesting one, border and politically realted. Can two bordered areas, in different parts of the world and unrealated to each other, be the same
      Mar 28, 2003 @ 01:03 - John Kelly ("John Kelly" <johnkelly@...>)
9478. Re: [BoundaryPoint] To Chris
      I expected that the problem was internet screwup and not a German-American fight, but just couldn t resist the sarcasm. Sorry if my jokes tend to be overdry.
      Mar 28, 2003 @ 01:11 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
9479. Re: CA-US: News story on double stop system
      thanx to all for your thoughts & comments on this interesting question of what we are about we do have a highly unusual & potentially ambiguous situation here
      Mar 28, 2003 @ 07:09 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9480. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Iraq, Co. Monaghan
      ... At the risk of being off-topic again, I ve noticed that the outline of Lithuania is very similar to that of Africa. Cheers, Kevin Meynell
      Mar 28, 2003 @ 10:05 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
9481. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CA-US: News story on double stop system
      Mike, ... Which ones? I know about the University of Durham list, but I haven t found any others so far (although maybe I haven t looked hard enough). Should
      Mar 28, 2003 @ 10:09 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
9482. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New Group?
      Personally, I d hate to see the creation of a new site as it will split all of us. Not only has BP been a great meeting place and source of information -- the
      Mar 28, 2003 @ 13:33 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
9483. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New Group?
      I would also rather stay with the group. I also think multipointing alone will not last long. I remember sharing the GEEBE tripoints with you, and it took
      Mar 28, 2003 @ 14:12 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9484. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Iraq, Co. Monaghan
      When I was much younger I always though that Africa with Madagascar, India with Ceylon and South America with Tierre Del Fuego was similar. Jesper ... From:
      Mar 28, 2003 @ 14:14 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9485. RE: [BoundaryPoint] New Group?
      I am with you Jesper Bill ... From: Jesper Nielsen [mailto:jesniel@image.dk] Sent: 28 March 2003 14:12 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re:
      Mar 28, 2003 @ 14:58 - Bill Burke ("Bill Burke" <bill@...>)
9486. Re: CA-US: News story on double stop system
      thanx kevin & i am glad you have pinned me to the mat on this question because i really have to add that i am at the same time rather fond of most of our
      Mar 28, 2003 @ 15:37 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9487. Re: CA-US: News story on double stop system
      thanx kevin & i am glad you have pinned me to the mat on this question because i really have to add that i am at the same time rather fond of most of our
      Mar 28, 2003 @ 15:30 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9488. Re: New Group?
      ... i disagree but if you lose interest i agree it wont last so long for you ... months before anybody actually responded. hahaha i was too busy try pointing
      Mar 28, 2003 @ 17:06 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9489. Old multipoint
      I have some multipointing to share. On my old site on DK2 tripoints (http://home.worldonline.dk/jesniel/border/amttp/amttp.htm) you see the picture of the tp
      Mar 28, 2003 @ 20:17 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9490. Re: New Group? Hoo, boy!
      The subject matter of borders, whether we discuss three-way or four way meetings, or circles in the sand or sea or whatever, in the context of either geography
      Mar 29, 2003 @ 04:54 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
9491. divided we fall, yes Len -plus wondering about..
      Right Len - it s inevitable that many of the messages in BP do not appeal to one s specific interests - BUT: it s like the TV-programmes, some of these
      Mar 29, 2003 @ 10:11 - Peter Hering (Peter Hering <hering@...>)
9492. Dibba
      Here s a map I found about Dibba Al Hisn, the Sharjah portion of the small town of Dibba in NE UAE (For those who don t know, Dibba is shared by the Emirate of
      Mar 29, 2003 @ 11:08 - I M Naanu (I M Naanu <imnaanu@yahoo.com>)
9493. Dibba-Oman Satpics
      Beit Al Jadeed ... Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop!
      Mar 29, 2003 @ 11:12 - I M Naanu (I M Naanu <imnaanu@yahoo.com>)
9494. Dibba-UAE-Satpic
      Here s the 3rd and final file. Nothing more to add and waiting for your responses. Bye IMN Beit Al Jadeed ... Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS NCAA
      Mar 29, 2003 @ 11:17 - I M Naanu (I M Naanu <imnaanu@yahoo.com>)
9495. hear here to the ladies
      ... actually pete tho it is true that we dont often hear from people who expressly identify themselves as women we have indeed heard from quite a few
      Mar 29, 2003 @ 14:25 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9496. BYLTLV
      Two topomaps 1) byltlv-pre1991 Old Russian map, BYLT border goes NE towards TP 2) byltlv10000 Present map, BYLT slightly NW towards TP I don t know if this is
      Mar 29, 2003 @ 14:48 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
9497. Re: Dibba
      thanx very nice & this map even appears to depict both the fush internal uae boundary & at least part of the aeom international boundary if i am not mistaken &
      Mar 29, 2003 @ 16:04 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9498. Re: New Group? Hoo, boy!
      hahahaha well that explains everything len a lamentably deplorably frustrated philatelist & lamentable cocreator of deplorable philatelic ruin you arrive here
      Mar 29, 2003 @ 16:56 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9499. Re: New Group? Hoo, boy!
      ... All of us, together. LN
      Mar 29, 2003 @ 17:56 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
9500. Re: New Group? Hoo, boy!
      then just to be clear i exempt myself from your idea of we since all is well with me
      Mar 29, 2003 @ 18:29 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9501. Re: New Group? Hoo, Mike!
      ... Dude, what is your problem? Or are you not sober most of the time you write here? Keep writing your speeches, nothing we, with you exepmted can do, but
      Mar 29, 2003 @ 19:20 - Karolis B. ("Karolis B." <kbajoraz@...>)
9502. Re: hear here to the ladies
      actually pete tho it is true that we dont often hear from people who expressly identify themselves as women we have indeed heard from quite a few contributing
      Mar 29, 2003 @ 19:33 - Karolis B. ("Karolis B." <kbajoraz@...>)
9503. & now don carlos
      ... time you ... other ... whattt & yes of course i am rarely sober but i certainly didnt mean to insult you or anyone however if you wish to take exception to
      Mar 29, 2003 @ 20:03 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9504. Re: Dibba-Oman Satpics
      Greetings. Your material is intersting with respect to Dibba. In what way is Dibba sovereignty shared? Actually, it s shared only between two international
      Mar 30, 2003 @ 23:33 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
9505. Re: Dibba-Oman Satpics
      ... only ... though two ... may be able ... it has already been confirmed that there is indeed a true fujayrah sharjah condo elsewhere in uae but we have been
      Mar 31, 2003 @ 01:36 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9506. Re: BYLTLV
      ... to ... I don t know either what is going on here, but it might just be the result of demarcating the border after 1991. Internal SU boundaries were
      Mar 31, 2003 @ 09:40 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
9507. Re: BYLTLV
      ... ... want ... the ... boundaries ... understood ... tripoint ... on the ... of ... meet, ... of ... 263756,85 E; ... 554050,17 N ...
      Mar 31, 2003 @ 12:22 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9508. Re: Dibba-Oman Satpics
      ... Thanks for the message. I saw 8208, and it seemed to leave the question of condo status open. I guess we need to see what is in town on the Oman side of
      Mar 31, 2003 @ 14:35 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
9509. Re: Dibba-Oman Satpics
      ... status open. yes it does but we go way back on this dibba tripartition idea with arif as well as on the relation of tax flow to allegiance to
      Mar 31, 2003 @ 15:05 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9510. more testimony of the tripartition of dibba
      tripartition rather than condominium is apparently reconfirmed by this site http://gheos.com/i/atlas/place.php?dibba&par=1 so we may continue to seek the
      Mar 31, 2003 @ 18:02 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9511. Re: Dibba-Oman Satpics
      ... it turns out to be between ajman & oman & is shown crosshatched at the bottom of http://enklaven.piranho.com/enklaven/Frames/arab.htm if that is what you
      Mar 31, 2003 @ 18:40 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9512. Re: more testimony of the tripartition of dibba
      Thanks for all of the follow up. It seems like we are either going to be frustrated that there is no further detail to be had on this, or our research hasn t
      Mar 31, 2003 @ 18:54 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
9513. Re: more testimony of the tripartition of dibba
      len please wait i am not frustrated i am never frustrated you can be as frustrated as you like if that is what you want but i am not with you there ok i will
      Mar 31, 2003 @ 19:14 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9514. Re: more testimony of the tripartition of dibba
      Imminent growth & success? I wish it were money. LN
      Apr 01, 2003 @ 00:28 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
9515. Re: BYLTLV
      ... No. of course not! the border guards couldn t ve told Jan that they were allowing him a legally illegal thing, so came up with something like that. Worse
      Apr 01, 2003 @ 03:43 - Karolis B. ("Karolis B." <kbajoraz@...>)
9516. BYLTLV remark
      Thanks, Peter S. for your effort on translating this official document on fixing this tp - I really appreciate your work - and am looking forward to meeting
      Apr 01, 2003 @ 06:52 - Peter Hering (Peter Hering <hering@...>)
9517. US-CA border golf courses???
      Hello again everybody - In Sunday s edition of Politiken (a Danish news- paper) there was an article on the US-CA border - actually it was an article from
      Apr 01, 2003 @ 07:01 - Peter Hering (Peter Hering <hering@...>)
9518. Re: [BoundaryPoint] US-CA border golf courses???
      It s the Aroostook Country Club which straddles the Maine, USA-New Brunswick, Canada border. Bill Hanrahan email: hanrahan@kua.net web site:
      Apr 01, 2003 @ 10:08 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
9519. third level exclave bremen
      hi, dont know, if this was discussed before. in bremerhaven there is a part of the city, called Stadtbremisches Überseehafengebiet , that belongs to the city
      Apr 01, 2003 @ 11:24 - Chris Schulz ("Chris Schulz" <23568@gmx.de>)
9520. Re: BYLTLV remark
      You re welcome, of course. Yes, I ve seen the pics and read story on Jan s homepage. It was actually very nice to see that the pictures very nicely matched
      Apr 01, 2003 @ 11:29 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
9521. Re: third level exclave bremen
      Great stuff, and it hasn t been discussed before I think. By the way, in this attached map you can see the Fehrmoor exclave in its entirety! An extra bonus!
      Apr 01, 2003 @ 11:35 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
9522. Re: US-CA border golf courses???
      This one? http://www.avcc.ca/home1.htm Looks like being mostly in Canada. Entering the US is only necessary when you re a bit off course at holes 1, 2, and 9.
      Apr 01, 2003 @ 11:53 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
9523. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: third level exclave bremen
      very nice map from 1942: http://www.wesermuen.de/WESERMUENDE-Karte.html fehrmoor can be seen also! regards , chris ... From: Peter Smaardijk To:
      Apr 01, 2003 @ 11:59 - Chris Schulz ("Chris Schulz" <23568@...>)
9524. Re: third level exclave bremen
      A very beautiful map, but wait a minute: Bremerhaven was called Wesermuende back then, and the Stadtbremisches Ueberseehafengebiet was called Bremerhaven?? Or
      Apr 01, 2003 @ 12:08 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
9525. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: third level exclave bremen
      Yes, you are right. Wesermünde was founded (or created,...) in 1924. it was created by the cities Lehe und Geestemünde. the Stadtbremisches
      Apr 01, 2003 @ 12:20 - Chris Schulz ("Chris Schulz" <23568@...>)
9526. Re: more testimony of the tripartition of dibba
      ... wow great idea len & example to try pointing at i am with you loud & clear on this one so please do wish for the money & allow it & voila it is created or
      Apr 01, 2003 @ 14:56 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9527. Re: third level exclave bremen
      Something s strange in this discussion. Hansastadt Bremen is made up of two pieces, Bremen and Bremerhaven. Bremerhaven translated is Harbor of Bremen . On
      Apr 01, 2003 @ 16:44 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
9528. Re: third level exclave bremen
      This is how I understand it: the federal land Bremen is made up of two cities/municipalities (=Stadtgemeinde): Bremen and Bremerhaven. The part nowadays called
      Apr 01, 2003 @ 16:59 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
9529. Re: third level exclave bremen
      Cf.: Als Küstengewässer im Sinne dieses Gesetzes gelten die zum Gebiet der Stadtgemeinde Bremerhaven sowie zum Ortsteil Stadtbremisches Überseehafengebiet
      Apr 01, 2003 @ 17:08 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
9530. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: BYLTLV
      One of the old GCEBE rules is The locals don t know . And the guards probably don t really know ore care. The rule has been proven right so many times, I
      Apr 01, 2003 @ 18:04 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9531. Neutral Zones
      Talking about neutral zones on the BYLTLV-trpoint, it s stroke me that these possible or actual neutral zones cannot be that neutral zone. If the BYLTLV area
      Apr 01, 2003 @ 18:10 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9532. Re: third level exclave bremen
      Stadtgemeinde Bremerhaven sowie zum Ortsteil Stadtbremisches Überseehafengebiet Bremerhaven der Stadtgemeinde Bremen gehörenden Wasserflächen der Weser.
      Apr 01, 2003 @ 20:40 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
9533. Re: BYLTLV
      ... framed ... original ... they ... something ... summer ... Curonian land ... posts were ... beach, ... guard ... where ... thank you don q for this chain of
      Apr 01, 2003 @ 21:32 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9534. Sokh Revisited
      So, the site I got it from wasn t working properly lately, so I had to wait until now to send maps. I am sending one map of the Sokh area and one more
      Apr 01, 2003 @ 22:40 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@yahoo.com>)
9535. Re: BYLTLV remark
      ... But if ... Jan s ... be ... right so it is simple find the protocol if you feel you must but my point was that your translated text creates the expectation
      Apr 01, 2003 @ 22:48 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9536. Re: Neutral Zones
      it may be important to distinguish neutral zones from condominiums &or tridominiums for one thing i believe a neutral zone is always between 2 parties rather
      Apr 01, 2003 @ 23:34 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9537. Re: BYLTLV
      Mike, I have no degree in literature to understand what you have written without difficulty, and I m not gonna sit here trying to decipher what your writing
      Apr 02, 2003 @ 00:53 - Karolis B. ("Karolis B." <kbajoraz@...>)
9538. Re: BYLTLV remark
      ... OR RATHER NONSITUATION Mike s right here. The IS NO neutral zone, no triudominium, no nothing. It is a simple TP. It is not a mistery. A trinational
      Apr 02, 2003 @ 01:03 - Karolis B. ("Karolis B." <kbajoraz@...>)
9539. Re: Neutral Zones
      Antarctica is for one thing really everyone s land (national claims put aside). But really what about the Moroco-Spain neutral areas?? are they no ones s or
      Apr 02, 2003 @ 01:11 - Karolis B. ("Karolis B." <kbajoraz@...>)
9540. Re: BYLTLV remark
      thanxx for both these sensible & kind messages karolis & i am so glad to find you do at least sometimes understand me & so greatly encouraged to continue my
      Apr 02, 2003 @ 01:28 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9541. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: third level exclave bremen
      hi len, things seem to be little complicated: http://www.wesermuen.de/WESERMUENDE.html in 1924 the city wesermünde was founded from the cities of Lehe and
      Apr 02, 2003 @ 09:05 - Chris Schulz ("Chris Schulz" <23568@gmx.de>)
9542. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: third level exclave bremen
      hi len, things seem to be little complicated: http://www.wesermuen.de/WESERMUENDE.html in 1924 the city wesermünde was founded from the cities of Lehe and
      Apr 02, 2003 @ 09:05 - Chris Schulz ("Chris Schulz" <23568@gmx.de>)
9543. Re: third level exclave bremen
      I think an Ortsteil of Bremen municipality is called Stadtbremisches Überseehafengebiet Bremerhaven. The Bremerhaven here is just part of the name of this
      Apr 02, 2003 @ 09:19 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
9544. Re: Sokh Revisited
      You may be right. Or it may be a little circle symbolising the village of Tajan. Difficult to tell. Peter S.
      Apr 02, 2003 @ 09:22 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
9545. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: third level exclave bremen
      Hi Len, just to complete this: http://www.bremerhaven.de/stadt/aemter/vpol/einreise.html here you find the explanation of the special problems for foreigners
      Apr 02, 2003 @ 09:30 - Chris Schulz ("Chris Schulz" <23568@...>)
9546. Re: BYLTLV remark
      ... nice ... it ! :) ... Right. I was under the impression that you meant something different here. Sometimes it is a bit difficult to understand your writing,
      Apr 02, 2003 @ 09:44 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
9547. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: BYLTLV remark
      Sorry that I did not respond to this message before - last month I have been very busy. I was writing «neutral territory» (sic!), and I understood it like
      Apr 02, 2003 @ 10:05 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
9548. Re: BYLTLV remark
      Thanks, mate. That s cleared up then. Sorry to have woken you up... (just kidding of course) Peter S. ... have been ... like border ... country ...
      Apr 02, 2003 @ 10:11 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
9549. Re: third level exclave bremen
      In other words, what you are maintaining is that Bremen as a Bundesland is made up of two big parts. The northern part is itself comprised to two parts, one
      Apr 02, 2003 @ 14:38 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
9550. Re: Neutral Zones - Navassa & Murder?
      Wait a minute - that s not right. Navassa is US territory under the jurisdiction of the US Department of the Interior. US federal laws apply, and there is a
      Apr 02, 2003 @ 14:45 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
9551. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Neutral Zones
      I presume that the authorities of the persons involved in the crime would initiate the investigation, e.g. the victim or the offender. The laws would be the
      Apr 02, 2003 @ 15:01 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
9552. Re: Neutral Zones - Another Thing
      Neutral zones are always made up of territory under someone s sovereignty. The parties to the agreements creating them agree between themselves that they will
      Apr 02, 2003 @ 15:13 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
9553. on duty border guards
      This is interesting. US border guards are NOT allowed to pass the actual border while on duty at either the US-Mex or US-Canada. In fact, here in Arizona,
      Apr 02, 2003 @ 17:02 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
9554. guards on duty #2
      I was at the US-MEX border a few weeks ago at Nogales. For a long time I ve wanted to see a train cross over at this point, but haven t been there at the right
      Apr 02, 2003 @ 17:08 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
9555. RE: [BoundaryPoint] on duty border guards
      Dallen, As I understood the situation from my experience at the NOSU and LT borders, they can pass the boundary with a few meters only, enough to do
      Apr 02, 2003 @ 17:30 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
9556. RE: [BoundaryPoint] on duty border guards
      Jan, My understanding is that the only US officials allowed to cross are International Boundary Commission staff on the US-CA and International Water and
      Apr 02, 2003 @ 17:35 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
9557. the law in everyones land
      well you know in everyones land there are no laws nor even any crimes really but only natural law which is that everyone is personally maxisovereign & indeed a
      Apr 02, 2003 @ 17:43 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
9558. Perfect bliss
      Michael said: & of course conversely those who deliberately dwell upon happy thoughts actually live happily ever after & never encounter any form of
      Apr 02, 2003 @ 18:39 - jparsell ("jparsell" <jparsell@...>)
9559. Re: Perfect bliss
      ... happy thoughts ... happy ... points ... perfect example denali jack & i am sure you are right as well as our true patriarch in this also as a fairly
      Apr 02, 2003 @ 21:10 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9560. Re: BYLTLV remark
      ... may pass ... included in the ... platform!) ... I would be thrilled if you could drop a link to that or the text, Jan! please I ve read the PLLT border
      Apr 03, 2003 @ 03:10 - Karolis B. ("Karolis B." <kbajoraz@...>)
9561. Re: guards on duty #2
      ... time I ve ... there at ... how they ... feet. ... inches ... customs ... cement line ... minutes (it ... in a ... next to ... never ... You bet! I watched
      Apr 03, 2003 @ 03:22 - Karolis B. ("Karolis B." <kbajoraz@...>)
9562. Re: on duty border guards
      ... borders, ... maintainance ... are ... the NOSU ... Jan, again I think these things happen because they don t hurt anyone and they make sense and no one
      Apr 03, 2003 @ 03:31 - Karolis B. ("Karolis B." <kbajoraz@...>)
9563. Re: Neutral Zones - Navassa & Murder?
      ... of ... and there is a federal law ... I am told there isn t! The US federal government can prosecute a murder ... The US federal government can prosecute
      Apr 03, 2003 @ 03:42 - Karolis B. ("Karolis B." <kbajoraz@...>)
9564. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: guards on duty #2
      on the lighter side... i wonder if the IRS makes the Mexican trinket sellers that cross the line at the ports hawking their wares to people in their cars going
      Apr 03, 2003 @ 03:59 - Victor Cantore (Victor Cantore <drpotatoes@...>)
9565. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: third level exclave bremen
      hi Len, you are right, its not an enclave, but as i see it, Stadtbremisches Übersseehafengebiet is still an exclave. i will try to find another map to see, if
      Apr 03, 2003 @ 05:47 - Chris Schulz ("Chris Schulz" <23568@...>)
9566. Re: third level exclave bremen
      I think it is an enclave. The boundary of the Stadtbremisches Ueberseehafengebied Bremerhaven in the Weser river is fairly close to the river bank (the east
      Apr 03, 2003 @ 11:05 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
9567. Re: third level exclave bremen
      Cf. the boundaries on this map (source: Landesvermessungsamt Lower Saxony, http://www.lgn.de/ ). The boundary made with little I s is the federal land
      Apr 03, 2003 @ 11:26 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
9568. global condoscopy was Re: BYLTLV remark
      peter ... and ... the ... also neutral may not be the exactly right word where not just 2 but several parties are involved & where all are included rather than
      Apr 03, 2003 @ 16:04 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9569. global condoscopy was Re: BYLTLV remark
      oops first link below needs a hand as usual & i think i may have fixed the 3rd link in text but it may still need hand cobbling too oops so please try again
      Apr 03, 2003 @ 16:20 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9570. global condoscopy was Re: BYLTLV remark
      one more try at the third link below ... is ... http://www.americas.org/news/nir/20021021_finding_renews_b ...
      Apr 03, 2003 @ 16:24 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9571. lighter victor lighter
      ... hahahahaha naw those folks are pretty light on their feet too doctor you are a healer & a redeemer md
      Apr 03, 2003 @ 17:36 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9572. caspian quintidominium claimed by border scholar
      http://www.payvand.com/news/02/nov/1108.html
      Apr 03, 2003 @ 18:49 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9573. Re: caspian quintidominium claimed by border scholar
      http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/usazerb/141.htm
      Apr 03, 2003 @ 19:56 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
9574. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: third level exclave bremen
      thanks for that map! regards, chris ps: and specially for peter: www.nbs-schumann.de ;-) ... From: Peter Smaardijk To: BoundaryPoint Sent: Thursday, April 03,
      Apr 03, 2003 @ 20:41 - Chris Schulz ("Chris Schulz" <23568@...>)
9575. Re: caspian quintidominium claimed by border scholar
      well yes partition was then & very probably still is the majority view in this 4 against 1 struggle so i suppose it remains the odds on favorite to prevail &
      Apr 03, 2003 @ 23:41 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9576. Re: Neutral Zones - Navassa & Murder?
      Hi. I ll address your reply in separate messages, keeping each issue separate. This message addresses federal law against murder. Here are two of them (below
      Apr 04, 2003 @ 04:39 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
9577. vierwaldstaetter see
      hi, scans of border on vierwaldstaetter see (Austria / Hungria) there exist at least 3 austrian fragments. regards, chris ... From: L. A. Nadybal To:
      Apr 04, 2003 @ 04:52 - Chris Schulz ("Chris Schulz" <23568@gmx.de>)
9578. Re: [BoundaryPoint] vierwaldstaetter see - sorry
      i m sorry, forgot to delete lens message. theres NO special meaning by repeating lens message! chris ... From: Chris Schulz To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
      Apr 04, 2003 @ 04:55 - Chris Schulz ("Chris Schulz" <23568@...>)
9579. Re: Navassa - a real murder case
      Here ya go - a real case of a real murder on Navassa tried by a US Court: JONES v. U.S., 137 U.S. 202 (1890). http://laws.findlaw.com/us/137/202.html or
      Apr 04, 2003 @ 05:23 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
9580. Re: vierwaldstaetter see
      Neusiedler See? ... Here ... both ... ... Department ... States ... such ... performance of ... employee ... assistance, ... Federal ... kidnap
      Apr 04, 2003 @ 09:18 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
9581. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: vierwaldstaetter see
      ups, you re correct, my fault, chris ... From: Peter Smaardijk To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 11:18 AM Subject: [BoundaryPoint]
      Apr 04, 2003 @ 09:23 - Chris Schulz ("Chris Schulz" <23568@...>)
9582. Re: vierwaldstaetter see - better silly than sorry
      ... hahahaha hahahahaha encore encore hahaha hahahahaha bravo chris an embedded piece de resistance & its powerful creators do get more & more bang for their
      Apr 04, 2003 @ 12:32 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9583. Palindromic visit
      Attached dk.palindromic.longest class a Jesper
      Apr 04, 2003 @ 20:07 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
9584. Special time
      Who is getting up to send a message at 05.04.03 at 02.01.00 ? Jesper
      Apr 04, 2003 @ 20:20 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9585. Re: Palindromic visit
      ... vellev marvel of levity & you seem er well left of center too jesper so are you sure it is really class a just kidding as usual very nice offering indeed
      Apr 05, 2003 @ 00:51 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9586. pals
      as requested in message 9042 & promised in 9056 attached are pix of wassamassaw the longest & last pal in the usa elk city kansas as in elk city kansas is a
      Apr 05, 2003 @ 01:11 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@hotmail.com>)
9587. aeom condo try
      since we have already at least eyeballed all the other condos namely cnkp delu esfr & hnnisv by visiting them at least virtually if not also physically in some
      Apr 05, 2003 @ 02:02 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
9588. Re: Special time
      ... haha good one reminds me of my own countdown to blastoff culminating shortly after 765am on the morning of 43 02 01 as previously claimed & doubted
      Apr 05, 2003 @ 02:37 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9589. Re: third level exclave bremen
      Did the rest of the border in the map go completely around that harbor area, and does that harbor area have Bremerhaven as it s only neighbor? Thanks Len ...
      Apr 05, 2003 @ 02:54 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
9590. Karolis, did you read the Navassa case?
      It is interesting, because it addresses the issue of pregnant women being on the island to make their child a US citizen. That doesn t happen there. Firstly,
      Apr 05, 2003 @ 03:01 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
9591. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Neutral Zones - Another Thing
      Len, ... What was the situation with the former Saudi-Iraq neutral zone, which even had its own country code designator? Regards, Kevin Meynell
      Apr 05, 2003 @ 15:49 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
9592. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Neutral Zones
      ... The situation in Antarctica would appear to be complicated. The seven nations claiming territory on the continent would seem to apply their own national
      Apr 05, 2003 @ 16:09 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
9593. Re: third level exclave bremen
      ... harbor ... Yes and does that harbor area have Bremerhaven as it s only neighbor? Again, yes. You can check it by going to http://www.lgn.de/ , choose
      Apr 05, 2003 @ 16:53 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
9594. iqsa & kwsa not neutral but condominial
      ... which even ... both of these supposedly neutral zones werent neutral at all but rather condominial since they were jointly exploited rather than mutually
      Apr 05, 2003 @ 18:01 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9595. Re: Special time
      ... well jesper the complete returns are already in & i am pleased to report i did indeed bag 1001am with my message 9594 but of course that was pst & not gmt
      Apr 05, 2003 @ 19:59 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9596. armook revisited
      In message #9441, Michael discussed various possible options on how the marker got where it now is located. The attached picture of Joyce Parsell and Clark
      Apr 05, 2003 @ 22:59 - jparsell ("jparsell" <jparsell@northnet.org>)
9597. Re: pals
      ... Thanks for posting the pictures, Mike. I like the Ekalaka Lake sign you made. BTW, you can find pictures of Krape Park on the web, but not of Mad Dam. And
      Apr 06, 2003 @ 00:06 - djtilque ("djtilque" <dtilque@...>)
9598. Re: iqsa & kwsa not neutral but condominial
      I see that exactly the same way. I never understood the neutral business. Len
      Apr 06, 2003 @ 03:07 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
9599. Re: Neutral Zones - Another Thing
      Greetings, What was the country code for the Saudi-Iraqi neutral zone and where did you find such a thing? The Zone was apparently divided up in 1981, but the
      Apr 06, 2003 @ 03:58 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
9600. Re: I did read the Navassa case?
      Fascinating reading. You, however, can t miss that this is a 1890 US case of black man killing a white man. He coulda done it on the moon for all they cared
      Apr 06, 2003 @ 07:23 - Karolis B. ("Karolis B." <kbajoraz@...>)
9601. Re: Antarctica - Neutral Zones
      ... seven ... their own ... overlap, and ... Well, if they signed the treaty then their claims have to be null, as international treaties usually as laid out
      Apr 06, 2003 @ 07:40 - Karolis B. ("Karolis B." <kbajoraz@...>)
9602. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Neutral Zones - Another Thing
      Len, Thanks for the information on the Saudi-Iraq Neutral Zone. ... The country code was NT, but it was deleted in 1993. Regards, Kevin Meynell
      Apr 06, 2003 @ 10:29 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
9603. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Antarctica - Neutral Zones
      Len, ... The Antarctic Treaty doesn t recognise, but neither does it de-recognise pre-existing national claims. Regards, Kevin Meynell
      Apr 06, 2003 @ 10:36 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
9604. alflga
      Michael, Congrats on being the first to get pictures of the new marker. While it may be only a signpost indicating the tri-point is near by, it is vastly
      Apr 06, 2003 @ 03:09 - jparsell ("jparsell" <jparsell@...>)
9605. Re: armook revisited
      thanx jack very interesting analysis & it is gratifying to see all our agreement nice ultimate question too of whether the original 1823 rock is still all
      Apr 06, 2003 @ 12:48 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9606. Re: pals
      thanx dan the ekalaka lake model jc was also its sign giver love your new knife fink too congrats it is right up there with oktahatko imo btw did you notice
      Apr 06, 2003 @ 13:06 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9607. Re: alflga
      ... many thanxxx jack it will be my honor whether you follow alflabetical order or not also just let me know if you would like the pix or negs ... oops here it
      Apr 06, 2003 @ 15:36 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9608. Empty Islands (Re: Karolis & Navassa)
      Hi. About the matter of other uninhabited islands not under the Guano Act, the US had about 30 other such islands it gave up, some of which were uninhabited. I
      Apr 06, 2003 @ 16:22 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
9609. Re: Neutral Zones - Another Thing
      Oh, it s an international automobile license pate code (abbreviation?) for the Neutral Zone? I thought it was a telephone dialling codeto which you were
      Apr 06, 2003 @ 16:25 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
9610. Re: Antarctica - Neutral Zones
      That was my understanding, that it only put claims in abeyance.... to be fought over another day. Len ... de-recognise
      Apr 06, 2003 @ 16:27 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
9611. Re: I did read the Navassa case?
      Here s a bit more on the change to the citizenship act for visitors. The ACA is American Citizens Abroad , which I think is a Democratic Party political
      Apr 06, 2003 @ 16:46 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
9612. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Palindromic visit
      I also visited dk.palindromic.shortest.first_alphabetically class a, the area of Ø, but there were no signs just saying Ø, the village is called Øby and the
      Apr 06, 2003 @ 17:29 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9613. Russia: Moscow Reluctant To Finalize Border Agreements With Former Soviet Republics
      http://www.rferl.org/nca/features/2003/04/02042003152932.asp Question: If border agreements is yet to be finalized who demarcated the Russian borders with EE
      Apr 06, 2003 @ 18:03 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9614. World's most wanted a tripoint freak
      http://www.forward.com/issues/2003/03.03.21/news13.html
      Apr 06, 2003 @ 18:09 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9615. Re: Antarctica - Neutral Zones
      Dear Kevin, First, I must present myself as this is the first of my postings here. I am John-Lucas and I live in Romania. I am very interested in boudaries and
      Apr 06, 2003 @ 19:37 - lucas_v1 ("lucas_v1" <lucas@...>)
9616. Re: Antarctica - Neutral Zones
      Dear John-Lucas, normally those no-mans-lands between two nations don t really exist. One can get the impression there would be one since the custom offices
      Apr 07, 2003 @ 01:23 - alqaszar ("alqaszar" <saz@...>)
9617. Re: Antarctica - Neutral Zones
      ... Yes, I knew that normally they don t exist, but, anyway, it s a good feeling. I would also like to remember the names of some movies that I have seen. One
      Apr 07, 2003 @ 08:15 - lucas_v1 ("lucas_v1" <lucas@...>)
9618. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Antarctica - Neutral Zones
      ... I don t think this is the film you mean, but the Great Escape featured Steve McQueen trying to escape from Germany to Switzerland (I think) and getting
      Apr 07, 2003 @ 09:06 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
9619. Re: Antarctica - Neutral Zones
      kevin ... better, ... thanx for this unerring feat of navigation mate http://www.bullfrogfilms.com/catalog/4c.html but it is still only proxy multipointing & i
      Apr 07, 2003 @ 13:41 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9620. Re: World's most wanted a tripoint freak
      ... wrote: hahaha class e class e thats only a tricountry area freak & not a real tripoint freak haha & you know it so lets have a little more
      Apr 07, 2003 @ 14:03 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9621. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Antarctica - Neutral Zones
      On Monday 07 April 2003 09:41 am, you wrote: I don t think featuring is the right term, but I recently saw a film in which one of the scenes takes place at
      Apr 07, 2003 @ 14:13 - Brian J. Butler (Brian J. Butler <bjbutler@...>)
9622. Re: Palindromic visit
      ... hahaha i even tried to type this into my browser haha hey wait doesnt that funny danish alpha with the halo on top alphabetically precede that funny danish
      Apr 07, 2003 @ 14:32 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9623. New File -- US-Mex Tug of War
      I just posted a file named Tex-Mex Tugofwar.pdf . It s an article about a jeep that got stuck in the Rio Grande river, half in Mexico and half in Texas, while
      Apr 07, 2003 @ 14:35 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
9624. Re: Antarctica - Neutral Zones
      thanx that already feels better ... in ... York - ... stone, ... in the ... me. I ll see if ... word. ... even ... http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
      Apr 07, 2003 @ 14:52 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9625. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Antarctica - Neutral Zones
      Here s a short film: http://www.riff.it/riffawards/Border.htm And then there is a work in progress: http://homepage.mac.com/dougmurray/iMovieTheater9.html and
      Apr 07, 2003 @ 16:37 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
9626. Film title
      The movie I mentioned earlier is called Heavy . I don t have any other details like director or actors. The NJ-NY-PA tripoint and environs appear in the
      Apr 07, 2003 @ 17:16 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
9627. Re: Antarctica - Neutral Zones
      wonderful thanx even without actually seeing the movies also helped myself to your photo albums 5 & 6 for the first time great fun ... trying to cross ...
      Apr 07, 2003 @ 17:34 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9628. Re: Film title
      youve done it maestros an uplifting movie about a multipoint http://www.kamera.co.uk/reviews_extra/heavy.php ... any
      Apr 07, 2003 @ 17:56 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9629. Re: Film title
      http://uk.imdb.com/Title?0113280#comment in fact i am off to the video store right now ... and
      Apr 07, 2003 @ 18:08 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9630. Re: Film title
      whoops i just saw in some of the reviews that it is evidently necessary to wade thru quite a lot of bittersweet & pathos before you get to the really winning
      Apr 07, 2003 @ 18:34 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9631. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Film title
      On Monday 07 April 2003 01:56 pm, you wrote: That does sound like the right movie although I must admit I didn t watch the whole thing. Just can t sit still
      Apr 07, 2003 @ 18:25 - Brian J. Butler (Brian J. Butler <bjbutler@...>)
9632. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Film title
      On Monday 07 April 2003 02:34 pm, you wrote: You need the PIP feature. BJB ... -- Brian J. Butler BJB Software, Inc. 508-429-1441 bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com
      Apr 07, 2003 @ 18:48 - Brian J. Butler (Brian J. Butler <bjbutler@...>)
9633. Re: Film title
      ok i think i may have found a multipoint movie with a completely savory vibe from beginning to end because i can vouch for about 90 or 99 percent of its
      Apr 07, 2003 @ 21:37 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9634. global neutroscopy advances
      so based on various recent reports & understandings it appears that there may actually be very few true neutral zones in existence anywhere if we exclude from
      Apr 08, 2003 @ 17:34 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
9635. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Palindromic visit
      Ø comes before Å in Danish. In Swedish the oposite. Å was previously written Aa, which is still just one letter. Most Danish cities prefer to keep the old
      Apr 08, 2003 @ 19:24 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9636. caus & mxus initial points & oldest stones
      according to http://home.earthlink.net/~dawise/Maine.htm the oldest known extant caus monument dates from 1817 but it was a replacement for a 1798 original
      Apr 09, 2003 @ 03:29 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
9637. Re: caus & mxus initial points & oldest stones
      bum urls hopefully corrected now in text below ... http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=19&n=5087872&e594362 &s=25&symshow=n ...
      Apr 09, 2003 @ 03:35 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9638. Re: [BoundaryPoint] caus & mxus initial points & oldest stones
      mike, monument 258 on usmx was placed on oct 10 1849 and the actual one there today was reconstructed in 1894. the Mexican side of the monument uses the word
      Apr 09, 2003 @ 06:51 - Victor Cantore (Victor Cantore <drpotatoes@yahoo.com>)
9639. Re: third level exclave bremen
      ... No. The Land (state) of Bremen consists of two independent municipalities, Bremen and Bremerhaven, who incidentally are not physically connected. We are
      Apr 09, 2003 @ 09:10 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <listen@...>)
9640. Re: Missing Berlin Wall Touches off Dispute Over Desolate Checkpoint Charlie
      ... Not really, just on sections near the city centre. ... I seem to remember there was a piece of the wall left standinng opposite to checkpoint charlie (it s
      Apr 09, 2003 @ 09:22 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <listen@...>)
9641. Re: third level exclave bremen
      ... (...)the map shows the municipality later to be called Bremerhaven, with the enclave on municipality level already in existance. More confusing is the
      Apr 09, 2003 @ 10:28 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
9642. Re: third level exclave bremen
      http://www.gonschior.de/weimar/Bremen/uebersichtskarte.html BTW, in 1933 Bremen and Oldenburg were merged under a Reichsstatthalter (the Nazi governor of the
      Apr 09, 2003 @ 10:49 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
9643. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: third level exclave bremen
      http://www.bremen.de/info/statistik/jb/k01/01_04_grafik.htm just to complete: a map with the historical development of bremen regards, chris ... From: Peter
      Apr 09, 2003 @ 12:26 - Chris Schulz ("Chris Schulz" <23568@...>)
9644. Re: caus & mxus initial points & oldest stones
      victor most handsome & pertinent too indeed you appear already to have put your finger on the final answer by directing our attention to the apparently key
      Apr 09, 2003 @ 16:05 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9645. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: caus & mxus initial points & oldest stones
      On Wednesday 09 April 2003 12:05 pm, you wrote: Here is a picture of the east side of the monument. Hard to tell whether any of the monument is older. I
      Apr 09, 2003 @ 16:29 - Brian J. Butler (Brian J. Butler <bjbutler@...>)
9646. Re: caus & mxus initial points & oldest stones
      very interesting & i am going to wait for victor to return before shooting my mouth off again because i bet he will have a view of the capstone my preferred
      Apr 09, 2003 @ 17:24 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9647. Re: Missing Berlin Wall Touches off Dispute Over Desolate Checkpoint Charlie
      the original USA,GB and F guard house ( Checkpoint Charlie) is since 1994 in the Allied Museum Berlin www.alliiertenmuseum.de (in german, engl. and french)
      Apr 09, 2003 @ 18:48 - udomet@gmx.de (udomet@...)
9648. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: caus & mxus initial points & oldest stones
      On Wednesday 09 April 2003 01:24 pm, you wrote: Then it would be an oreo. BJB ... -- Brian J. Butler BJB Software, Inc. 508-429-1441 bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com
      Apr 09, 2003 @ 18:30 - Brian J. Butler (Brian J. Butler <bjbutler@...>)
9649. Re: caus & mxus initial points & oldest stones
      but yikes it looks like the top of the oreo has been removed in victors photo attachment to message 9237 check it out decapitated as well as additionally
      Apr 09, 2003 @ 20:27 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9650. Re: New File -- US-Mex Tug of War
      thanx len i had to slow down for the pdf but it was worth it & definitely more fun reading because it says the mexican police tow trucks would have been
      Apr 09, 2003 @ 21:16 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9651. kurdistan map
      hi, no political proclamation, just to think about it - a map of the region of kurdistan. regards, chris
      Apr 10, 2003 @ 14:44 - Chris Schulz ("Chris Schulz" <23568@gmx.de>)
9652. Re: [BoundaryPoint] kurdistan map
      A Kuridistan state would make new tripoints, sounds interesting. Why didn t the Peace Conference reward the Kurds? Also In the light of President Wilson s 14
      Apr 10, 2003 @ 18:04 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9653. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: caus & mxus initial points & oldest stones
      Mike, I never paid a whole lot of attention to the reconstructed phrase on the monument but I feel that I would have noticed something. Once the thought did
      Apr 10, 2003 @ 21:44 - Victor Cantore (Victor Cantore <drpotatoes@yahoo.com>)
9654. Re: caus & mxus initial points & oldest stones
      victor major thanx for all these great new details & reflections more below ... ok i am persuaded by your fresher & closer impressions here but then what would
      Apr 11, 2003 @ 02:03 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9655. Re: kurdistan map
      ... Four nations would have to give up territory. They don t like it. ... Loss of territory. ... No. ... The problem, from the Turkish point of view, is
      Apr 11, 2003 @ 10:41 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <listen@...>)
9656. Re: kurdistan map
      if the kurds had their way we might get 30 or 40 new claves too based on the green & white areas in chriss map & if we were to do a kurdocentric punctoscopy
      Apr 11, 2003 @ 14:20 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9657. cool border paper
      http://www.isanet.org/noarchive/steinberg.html
      Apr 12, 2003 @ 13:05 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9658. DEDK
      Just a quick email about one of the most interesting parts of DEDK. http://levende.kms.dk/geoservice2000/kortbrowser/mapviewer.asp?size=1&mapid=
      Apr 12, 2003 @ 14:57 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9659. ITVA
      My friend Vito La Colla, who occasionally writes about geographical curiosities on GlobalGeografia.com, has notified me of this interesting article on the
      Apr 12, 2003 @ 18:06 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
9660. colorado double bordercross quintipoint claim is a bust
      it was too good to be true as previously reported circa message 5301 or 5306 http://www.ci.broomfield.co.us/maps/proposedannexationmap.s html shows at lower
      Apr 13, 2003 @ 02:12 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9661. Re: colorado double bordercross quintipoint claim is a bust
      apologies for the broken urls as usual but on the other hand i figure everybody must know how to deal with these by now too anyway a closer & clearer look at
      Apr 13, 2003 @ 16:17 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9662. For Mike D: Multipointing
      Dear Mike Do you recognize non class a visits as a multipoint visit? Jesper
      Oct 13, 2002 @ 16:57 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9663. Re: For Mike D: Multipointing
      yes dear jesper great question & yes i do recognize non class a visits as true multipoint visits since the word visit just means go to see so just effectively
      Apr 13, 2003 @ 18:27 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9664. Re: cool border paper
      ... This cool website is super (alsofor the links to other sites, such as 400,000 NASA images from the shuttle flights. I even managed to see the street where
      Apr 13, 2003 @ 18:36 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
9665. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: For Mike D: Multipointing
      Personally, I count all of my 19 tripoints even though at least 3 is doubtful: 1) ATCHDE - non existant in the first place. And if it were I was quite far from
      Oct 13, 2002 @ 19:36 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9666. Re: ITVA
      ... between ... over ... Now my Italian is not good to say the least, but as far as I could understand there are two things pointed out in the article: 1. The
      Apr 13, 2003 @ 20:20 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
9667. Re: ITVA
      Hi. I think you got the translation about right, given what I understood from my virtual Italian, and I understand what you were trying to replay re: the
      Apr 13, 2003 @ 22:33 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
9668. Re: For Mike D: Multipointing
      ... is doubtful: i agree the class designations are useful only for comparing the various basic levels of success but there is no reason to distinguish among
      Apr 14, 2003 @ 03:10 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9669. more about the original mxus survey
      http://www.sandiegohistory.org/journal/73summer/whipple.htm
      Apr 14, 2003 @ 20:33 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9670. special to kings of new england
      but likely of more general interest too http://dinsdoc.com/cushing-1.htm
      Apr 15, 2003 @ 12:41 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9671. 4 jewels in the rough
      ... BYLTLV, making one 1 true class a possible. ... right & what do you have for detail maps of these other 4 so far or can you just say are each of these
      Apr 15, 2003 @ 16:13 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9672. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 4 jewels in the rough
      I only have post 1991 maps of BYLVLT, the others I have 1:50 000 pre 1991 (Soviet maps). Jesper ... From: acroorca2002 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent:
      Apr 15, 2003 @ 17:54 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9673. Re: [BoundaryPoint] colorado double bordercross quintipoint claim is a bust
      You are probably right about the fact that the quintipoint does not exist, but I am not sure what corporate boundaries mean. I know the county boundaries
      Apr 15, 2003 @ 23:06 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
9674. Re: colorado double bordercross quintipoint claim is a bust
      Corporate boundaries are the limits within which a city or town or other jurisdiction exists as a juridicial person - that has rights and responsibilities such
      Apr 16, 2003 @ 00:42 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
9675. Re: colorado double bordercross quintipoint claim is a bust
      arif thanx all i meant by corporate boundaries is the municipal boundaries themselves & i only used this term because the topos in this area specify it but i
      Apr 16, 2003 @ 04:51 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9676. Re: 4 jewels in the rough
      ... 000 pre 1991 (Soviet maps). ahh ok but then from what we have heard recently about how the old soviet borders shown on such maps eventually get hardened up
      Apr 16, 2003 @ 12:45 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9677. Re: colorado double bordercross quintipoint claim is a bust
      Thanks for putting my answer to Arif s question down as irrelevant. LN
      Apr 16, 2003 @ 13:43 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
9678. American State Boundaries
      Which state shares the longest border with another state? (The border does not have to be continuous.) Which state shares the shortest?
      Apr 16, 2003 @ 13:50 - Craig ("Craig" <trehala@...>)
9679. Re: [BoundaryPoint] American State Boundaries
      On Wednesday 16 April 2003 09:50 am, you wrote: The shortest is easy - at AZ-CO-NM-UT there are two pairs of states that meet at a point. BJB ... -- Brian J.
      Apr 16, 2003 @ 14:15 - Brian J. Butler (Brian J. Butler <bjbutler@...>)
9680. Re: colorado double bordercross quintipoint claim is a bust
      ... irrelevant. you are welcome i realized you might conclude that & leap to be put down even after i was careful to concede it may be interesting but to be
      Apr 16, 2003 @ 15:16 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9681. Re: American State Boundaries
      nice question & nice answer how about canv for longest ... states that meet ... (The border ... shortest? ... http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
      Apr 16, 2003 @ 15:19 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9682. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American State Boundaries
      CA-NV looks like the quickest answer, but I think OK-TX might be longer because of the meanders in the Red River combined with the straight-line boundary
      Apr 16, 2003 @ 15:57 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
9683. RE: [BoundaryPoint] American State Boundaries
      A good candidate for longest is OK-TX ... From: Craig [mailto:trehala@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 7:50 AM To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
      Apr 16, 2003 @ 15:54 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
9684. Re: American State Boundaries
      ... for sure in fact whenever sinuosities of streams or coasts are involved you may inflate the claim to infinity with some good reason ... (The border ...
      Apr 16, 2003 @ 16:08 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9685. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American State Boundaries
      On Wednesday 16 April 2003 11:19 am, you wrote: CANV is certainly the straight-line champ. If we go fractal maybe ID-MT, OK-TX, or even VA-WV would take the
      Apr 16, 2003 @ 15:38 - Brian J. Butler (Brian J. Butler <bjbutler@...>)
9686. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American State Boundaries
      But CA-NV wouldn t be the longest border between two states, straight or not. The OK-TX border for a good distance is the meandering Red River. There s no
      Apr 16, 2003 @ 17:18 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
9687. Re: American State Boundaries
      Thank-you for your answer, Brian, however I am looking for a state border that does not meet at a point. Think of Turkey-Azerbaijan or Western Sahara-Algeria:
      Apr 16, 2003 @ 17:24 - Craig ("Craig" <trehala@...>)
9688. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American State Boundaries
      On Wednesday 16 April 2003 01:18 pm, you wrote: A natural boundary, such as a river, has a length that depends on how closely you measure it. BJB ... -- Brian
      Apr 16, 2003 @ 18:11 - Brian J. Butler (Brian J. Butler <bjbutler@...>)
9689. Brazil, land of corners, and beautiful curves
      Hi folks, this is gregg butler. I haven t been here for awhile and my handle, etc. have all changed. So, I logged on as a newbie. Here s the thing: I m going
      Apr 16, 2003 @ 20:19 - agent-86@sbcglobal.net ("agent-86@..." <agent-86@...>)
9690. Re: Brazil, land of corners, and beautiful curves
      welcome back gregg & bravo http://pub2.lncc.br:80/wrmkkk/indexi.html for starters but there is evidently little other info available anyway make sure to bring
      Apr 16, 2003 @ 20:31 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9691. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American State Boundaries
      Well, *anything* has a length depending on how you measure it. But most US state boundaries have specific definitions that are actual places on the ground,
      Apr 16, 2003 @ 21:12 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
9692. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Brazil, land of corners, and beautiful curves
      ... Hope you like Brazil, I was there for Christmas and enjoyed it a lot. I am actually planning to go back to Brazil this Christmas. I did not do any pointing
      Apr 16, 2003 @ 21:09 - Andrew T. Patton ("Andrew T. Patton" <andrew@...>)
9693. FW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American State Boundaries
      With all the twists and turns in the Red River, OK-TX is longer than CA-NV. Jack ... From: acroorca2002 [mailto:orc@orcoast.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 16,
      Apr 16, 2003 @ 21:18 - jparsell ("jparsell" <jparsell@...>)
9694. Re: Brazil, land of corners, and beautiful curves
      Pedra da Baliza ( http://www.jalapao.com.br/fotos/jaft_03.htm ) is supposed to be the quadripoint of Tocantins, Maranhão, Bahia, and Piauí states, according
      Apr 16, 2003 @ 21:31 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
9695. Re: American State Boundaries
      among american interstate boundaries excluding or ignoring azco & nmut i think depa must be the shortest & moreover it cant be fractally inflated since it is
      Apr 16, 2003 @ 21:33 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9696. Re: ITVA
      ... Italian ... office. ... No, and I think you re right. The treaty text does only mention soggetta ai poteri di polizia delle autorità italiane (subject
      Apr 16, 2003 @ 21:40 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
9697. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American State Boundaries
      I disagree completely. There is no measuring around an infinite number of grains of sand or molecules involved in measure the OK-TX boundary. If it is the
      Apr 16, 2003 @ 21:58 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
9698. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American State Boundaries
      On Wednesday 16 April 2003 05:12 pm, you wrote: You are not on the right wavelength yet. The natural boundaries you enumerated are not smooth curves that can
      Apr 16, 2003 @ 21:44 - Brian J. Butler (Brian J. Butler <bjbutler@...>)
9699. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American State Boundaries
      The center of a river is about as smooth as you can get. Why would you measure a boundary line around a grain of sand? Theoretically, this discussion could get
      Apr 16, 2003 @ 22:20 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
9700. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American State Boundaries
      On Wednesday 16 April 2003 06:20 pm, you wrote: Why would the center of a river be any smoother than banks from which it is equidistant? And molecules, grains
      Apr 16, 2003 @ 22:26 - Brian J. Butler (Brian J. Butler <bjbutler@...>)
9701. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American State Boundaries
      The riverbanks can have an almost infinite length which is practically impossible to measure, but I think the center or thalweg can not be considered in the
      Apr 16, 2003 @ 23:12 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
9702. Re: Brazil, land of corners, and beautiful curves
      ... on the other hand, http://www.planalto.gov.br/ccivil_03/decreto/Antigos/D99278.htm seems to deny the existence of the quadripoint. Cf. Inicia-se [=a
      Apr 16, 2003 @ 23:23 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
9703. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American State Boundaries
      Because it is water. If you go down to the riverbed, you will have some variable elevations, but that doesn t mean you don t measure the distances above them.
      Apr 17, 2003 @ 00:02 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
9704. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American State Boundaries
      On Wednesday 16 April 2003 07:12 pm, you wrote: The thalweg is also of indefinite length because there can be an infinite number of changes in the y value over
      Apr 16, 2003 @ 23:52 - Brian J. Butler (Brian J. Butler <bjbutler@...>)
9705. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American State Boundaries
      On Wednesday 16 April 2003 05:58 pm, you wrote: Actually, it is illigitimate to say that a river goes on for 15 miles, or that a river goes on for 1000 miles.
      Apr 16, 2003 @ 23:49 - Brian J. Butler (Brian J. Butler <bjbutler@...>)
9706. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American State Boundaries
      On Wednesday 16 April 2003 08:02 pm, you wrote: 1. Regarding the first paragraph, I was not talking about elevations. 2. Your second paragraph is
      Apr 17, 2003 @ 00:16 - Brian J. Butler (Brian J. Butler <bjbutler@...>)
9707. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American State Boundaries
      hmmm - I m not a math expert by any means, but I thought there would be some sort of convergence here...the midline has to lie somewhere, and it is possible
      Apr 17, 2003 @ 00:36 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
9708. Re: American State Boundaries
      & besides that the thalweg itself is constantly shifting about & rolling along & in the real world doesnt hold still long enough to be measured but even that
      Apr 17, 2003 @ 00:49 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9709. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American State Boundaries
      This is simply paralysis of theory. Of course natural boundaries can be measured with relatively precise accuracy. One would not need to measure and include
      Apr 17, 2003 @ 05:53 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
9710. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American State Boundaries
      1. But the boundary is. You may not be talking about elevations, but if the boundary is the middle of the river, that s where it is. 2. Even if you had to
      Apr 17, 2003 @ 06:00 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
9711. Re: ITVA
      ... It ... In any case, don t you think there might be a seperate agreement on police power in the rest of Vatican proper. I mean the Swiss Guard might be able
      Apr 17, 2003 @ 06:53 - Karolis B. ("Karolis B." <kbajoraz@...>)
9712. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American State Boundaries
      On Wednesday 16 April 2003 08:36 pm, you wrote: Suppose one bank is a perfectly straight line and the other is infinitely ragged. The midline would be half as
      Apr 17, 2003 @ 10:26 - Brian J. Butler (Brian J. Butler <bjbutler@...>)
9713. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American State Boundaries
      On Thursday 17 April 2003 02:00 am, you wrote: I don t believe you are really thinking about the problem. But enough said. BJB ... -- Brian J. Butler BJB
      Apr 17, 2003 @ 10:30 - Brian J. Butler (Brian J. Butler <bjbutler@...>)
9714. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American State Boundaries
      On Thursday 17 April 2003 01:53 am, you wrote: You are welcome to change the problem and answer it in any way you wish. Good luck. BJB ... -- Brian J. Butler
      Apr 17, 2003 @ 10:29 - Brian J. Butler (Brian J. Butler <bjbutler@...>)
9715. good going
      multi thanxxx to all for all the recent magnificent eruptions even with a little clash & clatter the extra company is certainly appreciated actually clash &
      Apr 17, 2003 @ 12:38 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9716. OKTX
      A boundaryline is always a thought line, never a real existing one. So if this line is running across land or water, this doesn t matter. What matters is how
      Apr 17, 2003 @ 13:16 - SAZ ("SAZ" <saz@...>)
9717. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American State Boundaries
      Thanks. I would then not have a problem, and be able to come up with the length. ... From: Brian J. Butler [mailto:bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com] Sent: Thursday,
      Apr 17, 2003 @ 16:39 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
9718. OKTX --finally! figures
      Including only larger river bends: Red River -- 480.0 miles East Panhandle line -- 133.6 miles North Panhandle line -- 167 miles (minus 2.2 miles TXNM) Total
      Apr 17, 2003 @ 16:13 - Joe Isham (Joe Isham <gridlockjoe@...>)
9719. Re: OKTX
      good to hear from you again saz & a belated welcome i am not sure i see or follow all your reasoning here but i do emphatically agree that a boundary line is a
      Apr 17, 2003 @ 18:22 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9720. Re: OKTX --finally! figures
      yes finally you have produced 2 subjective fantasies & by a single subject yet indeed by the state of texas itself these numbers however include not only oktx
      Apr 17, 2003 @ 18:35 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9721. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: OKTX --finally! figures
      A physical distance can be measured. It is not a fantasy. ... From: acroorca2002 [mailto:orc@orcoast.com] Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 12:35 PM To:
      Apr 17, 2003 @ 19:06 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
9722. Re: Brazil, land of corners, and beautiful curves
      very nice try & a handsome object in any case maestro reminds me of the huge anthills they have around brasilia & it does appear to be at least a tri state
      Apr 17, 2003 @ 19:29 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9723. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: OKTX --finally! figures
      On Thursday 17 April 2003 03:06 pm, you wrote: Om, om, om... ... -- Brian J. Butler BJB Software, Inc. 508-429-1441 bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com
      Apr 17, 2003 @ 19:56 - Brian J. Butler (Brian J. Butler <bjbutler@...>)
9724. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: OKTX --finally! figures
      Ow, ow, ow... ... From: Brian J. Butler [mailto:bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com] Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 3:57 PM To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re:
      Apr 17, 2003 @ 20:31 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
9725. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: OKTX --finally! figures
      Huh, huh, huh? ... From: Brian J. Butler [mailto:bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com] Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 1:57 PM To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Subject:
      Apr 17, 2003 @ 20:57 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
9726. Re: [BoundaryPoint] OKTX --finally! figures
      On Thursday 17 April 2003 12:13 pm, you wrote: And following really small meanders Red River - -1234 miles East Panhandle line -- 133.6 miles North Panhandle
      Apr 17, 2003 @ 19:54 - Brian J. Butler (Brian J. Butler <bjbutler@...>)
9727. RE: [BoundaryPoint] OKTX --finally! figures
      It would really not go on like that. If the boundary is defined, one follows that definition. If OK-TX has been defined as a certain location in the channel of
      Apr 17, 2003 @ 21:04 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
9728. Re: [BoundaryPoint] OKTX --finally! figures
      On Thursday 17 April 2003 05:04 pm, you wrote: Let me trry one more time, and then if you still don t get it, I will give up. Suppose a boundary is defined as
      Apr 17, 2003 @ 22:18 - Brian J. Butler (Brian J. Butler <bjbutler@...>)
9729. RE: [BoundaryPoint] OKTX --finally! figures
      I really have not misunderstood any of the points made in opposition to measuring a physical boundary... I have only said that it can be done, and it is done.
      Apr 17, 2003 @ 23:58 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
9730. Re: [BoundaryPoint] OKTX --finally! figures
      On Thursday 17 April 2003 07:58 pm, you wrote: OK, I give up. And I give you an F in fractal geometry. BJB ... -- Brian J. Butler BJB Software, Inc.
      Apr 18, 2003 @ 00:02 - Brian J. Butler (Brian J. Butler <bjbutler@...>)
9731. Re: OKTX --finally! figures
      for kevin joe or anyone else interested in seeking the most punctilious possible truth here first a fast easy crash course in fractal maths
      Apr 18, 2003 @ 01:22 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9732. RE: [BoundaryPoint] OKTX --finally! figures
      That s fine by me, because it has nothing to do with it. I give you an F in measuring a boundary.
      Apr 18, 2003 @ 03:59 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
9733. Re: OKTX --finally! fun & theory
      This thread has been fun to watch. We ve got two poles at work - theorists and practicalists. Maybe this will work to help the practicalists understand the
      Apr 18, 2003 @ 03:59 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
9734. Re: [BoundaryPoint] OKTX --finally! figures
      If a fractal is symmetrical over the x-axis, and you take the top half as one half the bank of a lake, and the bottom half as the other, the line dividing them
      Apr 18, 2003 @ 04:58 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
9735. Topomap: BYLVRU
      Old Soviet map of BYLVRU 1:50 000
      Apr 18, 2003 @ 11:19 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
9736. Topomap: EELVRY
      Old Soviet map of EELVRU 1:50 000
      Apr 18, 2003 @ 11:23 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
9737. Topomap: BYLTPL
      Old Soviet map of BYLTPL 1:50 000
      Apr 18, 2003 @ 11:27 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
9738. Re: Topomap: BYLTPL
      nice going boss a second direct hit on monument 1789 looks like perfection can be had here
      Apr 18, 2003 @ 13:06 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9739. Re: Topomap: EELVRY
      yikes contrary to every expectation it actually looks dry wonder why no clear evidence of any monument
      Apr 18, 2003 @ 13:09 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9740. Re: Topomap: BYLVRU
      great puzzle to even find the frikkin thing on this map & a highly recommended moment of eureka when you do
      Apr 18, 2003 @ 13:14 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9741. Re: OKTX --finally! figures
      thanx michael man after my heart ... this is the only part i dont get yet ahhh yes i do now you are always stretching my brains nice going yet punctologically
      Apr 18, 2003 @ 13:33 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9742. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Topomap: BYLVRU
      Wet tp. In between the split road at the buttom of the map. Jesper ... From: acroorca2002 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 3:14
      Apr 18, 2003 @ 13:49 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9743. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Topomap: EELVRY
      Probably wet. One of the GCEBE rules is, that maps are not made for border freaks. I have seen many times that the map border line is NOT placed at the actual
      Apr 18, 2003 @ 13:54 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9744. Poor border mapping example and straight borders
      Somebody once asked and got no answer: Is there any straight line borders in Europe? . And offcourse the answer is yes . For in between two points along a
      Apr 18, 2003 @ 14:01 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
9745. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Poor border mapping example and straight borders
      its from the kurische nehrung , i guess, regards, chris ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 4:01 PM
      Apr 18, 2003 @ 14:14 - Chris Schulz ("Chris Schulz" <23568@...>)
9746. Re: OKTX --finally! fun & theory
      ... - ... glad you are liking it len but i think the 2 poles in this case are the same 2 poles we have been enjoying here from day 1 the pointers & the
      Apr 18, 2003 @ 14:45 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9747. Re: Topomap: EELVRY
      The borders follow linear features: EELV is the river Pededze RULV is the river Lajkupe EERU is the path marked by the dashed line It s that problem of marking
      Apr 18, 2003 @ 16:09 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
9748. Re: Topomap: BYLVRU
      Although the spot is marked as Kurgan Družby (Friendship Mound). So probably not marking the exact spot, as it looks indeed to be wet. Peter S. ... Service.
      Apr 18, 2003 @ 16:12 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
9749. Re: Topomap: EELVRY
      yes a problem or lets call it a puzzle at least but after looking again at the map i agree with jespers solution that the tripoint is most probably at the
      Apr 18, 2003 @ 16:33 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9750. Re: OKTX --finally! figures
      ... an F in ... very poignantly done you guys tho class e as in elusive is normally as low as we grade here or well class ee or eee i suppose in extremest
      Apr 18, 2003 @ 18:19 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9751. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Poor border mapping example and straight borders
      Jesper, ... The Vatican and Gibraltar both have straight lines as part of their international borders. Of course, these are little more than a few metres in
      Apr 18, 2003 @ 19:24 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
9752. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Poor border mapping example and straight borders
      Is ESGB (or rather GBNZ) actually more than just two straight lines. (ESNZ three straight lines) http://www.1uptravel.com/worldmaps/gibraltar1.html Does
      Apr 18, 2003 @ 20:41 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9753. Re: Poor border mapping example and straight borders
      ok jesper another attractive question & assuming chris is right about it being the curonian spit which i do then i figure you are talking maybe only 5km here
      Apr 18, 2003 @ 20:53 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9754. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Poor border mapping example and straight borders
      Yes Curonian neck is right. PLRU seems straight, but looking at a good map will indicate line drawn with vodka in the blood. Attached section of straight line
      Apr 18, 2003 @ 21:00 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
9755. Re: Poor border mapping example and straight borders
      ok nice so then which of all these straight lines including your original example is the longest wasnt that the direction of your question or did you really
      Apr 18, 2003 @ 21:54 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9756. Re: Poor border mapping example and straight borders
      ... He means that the border there is straight all the way, which doesn t seem to be perfectly depicted, to say the least, on that map.
      Apr 18, 2003 @ 22:45 - Karolis B. ("Karolis B." <kbajoraz@...>)
9757. Re: Poor border mapping example and straight borders
      ... you ... doesn t ... ok thanx so evidently we are talking more like 10km than 5km of straight border there which will be much harder to surpass even on plru
      Apr 18, 2003 @ 23:47 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9758. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: OKTX --finally! figures
      Michael, Does this discussion have any bearing on the status of AR-OK-TX tri-point? As I recall we thought it was wet, but at the OK-TX corner it should be on
      Apr 19, 2003 @ 01:48 - jparsell ("jparsell" <jparsell@...>)
9759. aroktx
      yes jack i am pretty sure aroktx is well within the river today owing to an avulsion or sudden major shift in the bed subsequent to 1923 & that it is no longer
      Apr 19, 2003 @ 04:17 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@hotmail.com>)
9760. new truth at oktx including aroktx
      yikes the truth has changed on 31aug2000 all previous & cumulative avulsions accretions & confusions of the red river since 1923 were granted official pardon &
      Apr 19, 2003 @ 14:53 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
9761. Re: Poor border mapping example and straight borders
      ... no no, not ten, more like five. But another candidate is the Curonian Lagoon. It depends if you consider it internal or external waters. Law of the Sea
      Apr 19, 2003 @ 16:44 - Karolis B. ("Karolis B." <kbajoraz@...>)
9762. Pushing for a new international tripoint
      Ethiopia-Somalia-Somaliland http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=2592239 http://www.somalilandnet.com/map.shtml
      Apr 19, 2003 @ 19:22 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9763. Re: Pushing for a new international tripoint
      ... http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=2 592239 ... well it already is an international tripoint a binational tripoint to be exact as
      Apr 19, 2003 @ 20:44 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9764. Re: Poor border mapping example and straight borders
      ... straight ... ohh ok i was imagining that was all a single straight line candidate but evidently you mean there is a deflection between neck & lagoon
      Apr 19, 2003 @ 21:20 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9765. RE: [BoundaryPoint] new truth at oktx including aroktx
      Thanks for the interesting links. I have to reiterate that even with the disagreement over the ability to accuratly measure OK-TX, the minimum length we could
      Apr 19, 2003 @ 23:05 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
9766. Re: new truth at oktx including aroktx
      you are welcome kevin i am glad you are with us & i understand that you still wish to rationalize & streamline the true oktx boundary into an estimable
      Apr 20, 2003 @ 04:57 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9767. Re: Poor border mapping example and straight borders
      ... I ve heard it described as Stalins Schwertschlag (Stalin s sword stroke). Is it known how it was exactly decided? I have this image of someone drawing a
      Apr 20, 2003 @ 16:39 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <listen@...>)
9768. Re: Poor border mapping example and straight borders
      ... indicate line drawn with vodka in the blood. ... sword stroke). Is it known how it was exactly decided? stalin said he wanted konigsberg for reparations &
      Apr 20, 2003 @ 21:11 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9769. TNGA pictures
      I have uploaded my pictures of McCaysville, Georgia, and Copperhill, Tennessee to the files section.
      Apr 21, 2003 @ 00:11 - Joe Isham (Joe Isham <gridlockjoe@...>)
9770. Re: TNGA pictures
      very neat our first report of a perfect building corner bisection & our first apparently coincidental tripoint which reminds me if you then or now head out of
      Apr 21, 2003 @ 02:54 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9771. plru was: Poor border mapping example and straight borders
      We only found one divided village on plru, and we will visit it during GBBE. The village in between BM 2269 and 2271 on the attachment to this message:
      Apr 21, 2003 @ 07:00 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9772. ellis island (and liberty island) - enclaves in new jersey
      hi, dont know, if we talked about this earlier, but i guess, we did. i just want to send two funny links about the new-york - new-jersey border dispute about
      Apr 21, 2003 @ 15:59 - jörg scheld (=?iso-8859-1?Q?j=F6rg_scheld?= <23568@...>)
9773. ellis island (and liberty island) - enclaves in new jersey
      hi, sorry about the wrong name, chris dont know, if we talked about this earlier, but i guess, we did. i just want to send two funny links about the new-york -
      Apr 21, 2003 @ 16:03 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
9774. Border-Pics LT-PL (SU-LT) from 1991
      hi, here come pics from ogrodniki-lazdijai boder between Poland and Lithuania (Poland - Sowjet-Union very short time earlier) pic1: coming to the border pic2:
      Apr 21, 2003 @ 17:20 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@gmx.de>)
9775. Border-Pics II from closed Border-Point Budzisko PL-LT (PL-SU)
      Hi, today there exist two PL-LT-Border.Crossings, the second one was closed in this times end of August 1991. here come some pictures of the closed one. pic1:
      Apr 21, 2003 @ 17:30 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@gmx.de>)
9776. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border-Pics LT-PL (SU-LT) from 1991
      hi, and just for comparing purpose the link to jans fotos of the border today: http://home.no.net/enklaver/borders/lithuania.htm chris ... From: chris schulz
      Apr 21, 2003 @ 17:39 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
9777. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border-Pics LT-PL (SU-LT) from 1991
      Attached old Russian map of the crossing. Jesper ... From: chris schulz To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 7:20 PM Subject:
      Apr 21, 2003 @ 17:54 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
9778. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border-Pics II from closed Border-Point Budzisko PL-LT (PL-SU)
      Attached old Russian map of the crossing. Jesper ... From: chris schulz To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 7:30 PM Subject:
      Apr 21, 2003 @ 18:00 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
9779. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border-Pics II from closed Border-Point Budzisko PL-LT (PL-SU)
      Has the Soviet border markers stayed the same colourwise etc after they were changed to Russian? On Chris photos they are red/green. On this from FIRU they are
      Apr 21, 2003 @ 18:09 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9780. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border-Pics II from closed Border-Point Budzisko PL-LT (PL-SU)
      its a pity, i didn t got a more clear foto of the details of the metal plate on the post in ogrodniki.. can it be, that they differed from soviet-republic to
      Apr 21, 2003 @ 18:21 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
9781. Re: ellis island (and liberty island) - enclaves in new jersey
      thanx chris some nice new stuff here & i thought the stevens dissent more cogent than the decision funny when sheer majority trumps best available truth & i
      Apr 21, 2003 @ 22:12 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9782. Kentucky-Tennessee at Dale Hollow Lake
      Are there any photos of the TN tips on the northern shore of Dale Hollow Lake? They re dangling fingertips of land that are Point Robertslike but much much
      Apr 22, 2003 @ 00:07 - Craig ("Craig" <trehala@...>)
9783. Re: Border-Pics II from closed Border-Point Budzisko PL-LT (PL-SU)
      ... metal plate on the post in ogrodniki.. I strongly believe that it s a metal plate with a globe with hammer and sickle superimposed and wheats around it
      Apr 22, 2003 @ 00:40 - Karolis B. ("Karolis B." <kbajoraz@...>)
9784. adesfre pic
      a nice pic: http://calioxy-randopyrenee.chez.tiscali.fr/epas.jpg marcel
      Apr 22, 2003 @ 08:40 - marcelmiquelcat ("marcelmiquelcat" <marcelmiquel@...>)
9785. Re: adesfre pic
      ... spectacular view & world class game of find the tripoint so far i would guess adesfre is near the low peak just to the right of center frame or perhaps the
      Apr 22, 2003 @ 14:18 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9786. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Border-Pics II from closed Border-Point Budzisko PL-LT (PL-SU)
      hi karolis, yes, i took the photos myself. i was in vilnius in 1991 only two days after the killings at medininkai. i stood until the 27th of august, so i saw
      Apr 22, 2003 @ 14:50 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
9787. Re: Kentucky-Tennessee at Dale Hollow Lake
      craig indeed a couple of nice handfuls of fingers waves & i think your question is probably & amply but not yet definitively answered by
      Apr 22, 2003 @ 14:50 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9788. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Border-Pics II from closed Border-Point Budzisko PL-LT (PL-SU)
      i forgot to tell, that in my map i couldnt see, that budzisko was closed. the fotos are in some way result of some funny casualities. we went to budzisko with
      Apr 22, 2003 @ 15:11 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
9789. Re: Kentucky-Tennessee at Dale Hollow Lake
      another nice thing about the kytn boundary here with all these fingertips reaching out in both directions across dale hollow lake is that the original line
      Apr 22, 2003 @ 17:44 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9790. Re: Border-Pics II from closed Border-Point Budzisko PL-LT (PL-SU)
      ... sestokai to suwalki was more or less de- and reconstructed three times everytime it crossed the border: first time by people hiding things, second time by
      Apr 22, 2003 @ 22:23 - Karolis B. ("Karolis B." <kbajoraz@...>)
9791. Re: (...) straight borders -> PLRU
      Great that you bring this one up again, Jesper, since this was the very first question I asked here at BP. Never got an answer as far as I can remember, but it
      Apr 22, 2003 @ 22:57 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
9792. Re: (...) straight borders -> PLRU
      ... the ... far as ... comprehensive on ... yes great & difficult as you say but message 9768 which you may have missed or forgotten does answer rather well
      Apr 23, 2003 @ 03:00 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9793. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: (...) straight borders -> PLRU
      I cannot find a Szczurków anywhere near a border? Anybody? Jesper ... And in Szczurków it happened that the boundary ran straight through a shed - writes
      Apr 23, 2003 @ 04:44 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9794. FRGB
      
      Apr 23, 2003 @ 04:56 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
9795. Re: (...) straight borders -> PLRU
      I thought I d check for you, and it took me less than a second with my marvellous :)) Baltic road atlas. Try Szczurkowo. Almost right on the border. Road 512
      Apr 23, 2003 @ 07:35 - Karolis B. ("Karolis B." <kbajoraz@...>)
9796. Re: FRGB
      ... cool. what is that covered with the black trashbag? A bordermarker? I wonder if there are bouys in the sea.
      Apr 23, 2003 @ 07:40 - Karolis B. ("Karolis B." <kbajoraz@...>)
9797. Re: (...) straight borders -> PLRU
      Yes, my mistake. A case of grammatical case, that can lead to either Szczurków or Szczurkowo as the neutral form. I should have checked on a map first. Peter
      Apr 23, 2003 @ 09:58 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
9798. Cyprus border opens
      http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2969089.stm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
      Apr 23, 2003 @ 11:51 - Bill Burke ("Bill Burke" <bill@...>)
9799. caus njny etc was FRGB
      ... wrote: http://www.kittyempire.org/Detroit0300/tunnelflags.jpg http://www.windsorpubliclibrary.com/images/Museum/riversedge .jpg
      Apr 23, 2003 @ 15:49 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9800. Re: adesfre pic
      I hope that this illustrated pic may be useful. I ve never been there, so I hope it would be right. You can compare the maps and photos on Eef Berns site:
      Apr 23, 2003 @ 16:04 - marcelmiquel@navegalia.com (<marcelmiquel@navegalia.com>)
9801. new Yahoo-group concerning border(marker)s of the Benelux
      Started on 1 april: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/grenspalen/ A Yahoo-group about the bordermarkers and other border-issues of the Netherlands, Belgium and the
      Apr 23, 2003 @ 19:45 - Eef Berns ("Eef Berns" <eefberns@...>)
9802. Re: (...) straight borders -> PLRU
      ... either ... on ... no, it drives me nuts when I think that they could be using the wonderful Slavic invention that half of Europe has adopted... -
      Apr 23, 2003 @ 22:40 - Karolis B. ("Karolis B." <kbajoraz@...>)
9803. Re: Cyprus border opens
      ... So wait, normal North Cypriots couldn t come to South Cyprus up until now? Because I ve read earlier that form the South you can enter the North for max
      Apr 23, 2003 @ 22:46 - Karolis B. ("Karolis B." <kbajoraz@...>)
9804. first cdrwug visit claimed
      http://193.62.154.38/bbs/uga97.htm third paragraph from bottom the cdug border is evidently cleared of vegetation & provides a good approach to the summit of
      Apr 24, 2003 @ 00:58 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9805. cnlavn to be marked on mountain
      the last paragraph under national defense about 2 thirds of the way down the page in this laotian news summary of the year 2002
      Apr 24, 2003 @ 03:07 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9806. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Cyprus border opens
      ...with a non-Greek name. Jesper ... From: Karolis B. To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 12:46 AM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re:
      Apr 24, 2003 @ 04:45 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9807. Re: [BoundaryPoint] caus njny etc was FRGB
      Ok, I have a general quetion. How far do territorial waters extend? From my memory it was 12, wasn t it? But I don t remember and couldn t find it in the
      Apr 24, 2003 @ 06:35 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
9808. Re: caus njny etc was FRGB
      by international law the territorial waters of countries may extend no farther than 12nm seaward from their coastal baselines which are the straight lines
      Apr 24, 2003 @ 13:11 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9809. Re: [IBRG] Russia: Moscow Reluctant To Finalize Border Agreements With Former...
      Russia demarcated their borders themselves (http://muhu.cs.helsinki.fi/E-LIST/1994/94_09/1994_09_03_16_00_42_0300), very odd since they are the ones that does
      Apr 24, 2003 @ 18:56 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9810. Re: adesfre pic
      yes thanx marcel i think you have it just right & that was also very tactful of you not to mention that i was mistaking an adesfrw map for an adesfre there
      Apr 24, 2003 @ 19:42 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9811. Re: FRGB
      ... ... bordermarker? I ... it could be a buoy in the trashbag but no maritime boundary markers of any kind anywhere have ever been reported at
      Apr 24, 2003 @ 19:16 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9812. Re: new Yahoo-group concerning border(marker)s of the Benelux
      vriendelijke groet & congrats to eef & jannis & all nice file pix & link too ... border-issues of the ... and messages
      Apr 24, 2003 @ 20:01 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9813. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: caus njny etc was FRGB
      Nice and thanks for the info. Given the irregular shape of shorelines, there might even be more than one FRGB border segment. For instance - the distance
      Apr 24, 2003 @ 23:26 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
9814. BZGT
      Greetings from Flores, Guatemala! Today I visited the border between GT and Belize at Aranal. Sure enough, the border slices though a soccer field. This was
      Apr 25, 2003 @ 03:04 - Doug ("Doug" <doug@...>)
9815. Re: caus njny etc was FRGB
      thanx mike i am way over my head here as usual & i think there might well have been a break or breaks in frgb within the straits of dover as you say given only
      Apr 25, 2003 @ 04:40 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9816. Re: BZGT
      yeay doug go doug goallllllllllllllllllll score 20 & a piece of the gold or go get us gthnsv too & own it all ... Sure ... -- ... marker ... time.
      Apr 25, 2003 @ 04:54 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9817. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: caus njny etc was FRGB
      6 tripoints! nice...who wants to drop some bouys off the coast of Greenland!? ... http://www.kittyempire.org/Detroit0300/tunnelflags.jpg ...
      Apr 25, 2003 @ 05:17 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
9818. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: BZGT
      score 20 matches up quite nicely with the exactly 20 l s in goal. one of those things you notice on little sleep! :) ...
      Apr 25, 2003 @ 05:27 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
9819. Re: [BoundaryPoint] FRGB
      Mike, ... I ve crossed the English Channel many times between Dover and Calais and I ve never noticed any such marker buoys. Whilst this doesn t mean they
      Apr 25, 2003 @ 07:22 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
9820. Re: (...) straight borders -> PLRU
      Hmm, Szczurków. Do you mean, that in polish szczurek means little rat? So, in Szczurkowo/Szczurków you should meet a lot of rats ;))))))))))))))
      Apr 25, 2003 @ 12:11 - krasnalpl ("krasnalpl" <kroc@...>)
9821. Re: BZGT
      yesss not just a score but a whole hat trick of them & yet another keen observation by you in multidimensional reality commending sleep deprivation for
      Apr 25, 2003 @ 15:15 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9822. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: (...) straight borders -> PLRU
      Szczurkowo is the village from the map of message 9744: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/9744 Jesper ... From: Peter Smaardijk To:
      Apr 25, 2003 @ 17:37 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9823. Re: [BoundaryPoint] FRGB
      On DKSE there are no buoys on the border, but there is (that might confuse poeple) buoys marking the navigation channel which is entirely Swedish. Jesper ...
      Apr 25, 2003 @ 17:57 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9824. Something more abuot FIRU (FISU)border
      I found a nice picturefrom this border: http://www.pogranec.narod.ru/
      Apr 25, 2003 @ 18:51 - Artur Kroc ("Artur Kroc" <kroc@...>)
9825. Happy Birthday Doug
      Happy 40 from me, too! What a great day to celebrate at BZGTMX! Jesper ... From: Harry ten Veen To: intborder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003
      Apr 25, 2003 @ 21:42 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9826. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Happy Birthday Doug
      Thank you all... ! I am spending the last of my 39th year in Livingston, Guatemala -- a place only accessable by an hour boat ride. Find it on a map, and give
      Apr 26, 2003 @ 03:41 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
9827. Buoys, was Re: FRGB
      ... Then I ll add one. The freshwater borders of West Berlin towards East Germany used to be marked with buoys. This concerns several lakes, the river Havel,
      Apr 26, 2003 @ 06:31 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <listen@...>)
9828. Re: BZGT
      ... great & so if you do return then as you probably recall bzgtmx has been in transition the point marked by the old marker at aguas turbias was never
      Apr 26, 2003 @ 14:27 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9829. Re: Happy Birthday Doug
      Oh, to be 40 again....! Happy Birthday, Doug! Bill ... a place ... cheer
      Apr 26, 2003 @ 16:13 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
9830. map of german "landeskirchen"
      Hi, heres a link to an interactive map about the german protestant Landeskirchen (how to translate this? maybe church of country ). Lots of enclaves... All
      Apr 26, 2003 @ 16:46 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
9831. Re: map of german "landeskirchen"
      ... Landeskirchen (how to translate this? depends on what it is are these political boundaries or ecclesiastical boundaries or both at once perhaps parishes
      Apr 26, 2003 @ 17:14 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9832. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Happy Birthday Doug
      On Saturday 26 April 2003 12:13 pm, you wrote: Are you turning 40 or finishing your 39th year? BJB ... -- Brian J. Butler BJB Software, Inc. 508-429-1441
      Apr 26, 2003 @ 17:04 - Brian J. Butler (Brian J. Butler <bjbutler@...>)
9833. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: map of german "landeskirchen"
      i think its ecclesiastical boundaries didnt know the vocabulary... regards, chris ... From: acroorca2002 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday,
      Apr 26, 2003 @ 17:19 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
9834. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Cyprus border opens
      http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/030423/168/3vhpi.html http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/030423/168/3vpbc.html Wish I was there with
      Apr 26, 2003 @ 20:12 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9835. Re: Something more abuot FIRU (FISU)border
      ... thanx artur & a belated welcome it took a few days to load but was definitely worthwhile what do you suppose the guards are saluting or shooting at or are
      Apr 26, 2003 @ 21:03 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9836. azge very near amazge
      2 azerbaijan georgia crossings 1 old & 1 new both about 7km northeast of amazge http://geo.ya.com/travelimages/az-agstafa.html in fact the red bridge has
      Apr 26, 2003 @ 21:29 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9837. Re: map of german "landeskirchen"
      ... h Landeskirche has a bishop. I think this applies to Germany only. How Lut= heran episcopal territories are organised in other countries I don t know.
      Apr 26, 2003 @ 23:29 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <listen@...>)
9838. Re: map of german "landeskirchen"
      ahh then it sounds like the best translation into english might be german lutheran bishoprics & coextensive former states if you like more below ... churches.
      Apr 27, 2003 @ 01:50 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9839. Re: [BoundaryPoint] map of german "landeskirchen"
      ... Or diocese. I think the two terms are equivalent. Cheers, Kevin Meynell
      Apr 27, 2003 @ 09:31 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
9840. The latest country, the latest border.
      Easter Timor is the latest country of the world. Some pictures from TM-IN border you can find below:
      Apr 27, 2003 @ 13:26 - Artur Kroc ("Artur Kroc" <kroc@...>)
9841. tripointing tradition reported on isle of man
      manx saying oir ny three cagleeyn meaning earth of 3 boundaries historically earth from a spot where 3 lands meet was sprinkled on an afflicted person & was
      Apr 27, 2003 @ 15:59 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9842. celtic wetpointing custom
      i kid you not you must go to a stream where 3 boundaries meet & dip the left sleeve of your shirt in the water without speaking a word you must then lay out
      Apr 27, 2003 @ 16:14 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9843. Re: [BoundaryPoint] The latest country, the latest border.
      From Borderbase at http://www.nicolette.dk/borderbase/border.php?c1=41&c2=67 East Timor - Indonesia Facts Length: 228 km. Established: 2002 Disputed:
      Apr 27, 2003 @ 18:12 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9844. causn
      http://www.photolib.noaa.gov/historic/c&gs/theb1291.htm
      Apr 28, 2003 @ 02:16 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9845. gtsv & gthn
      http://www.photolib.noaa.gov/historic/c&gs/thind18.htm pix 867 thru 876
      Apr 28, 2003 @ 02:18 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9846. Re: [BoundaryPoint] causn
      On Sunday 27 April 2003 10:16 pm, you wrote: The two guys in the background of this photo look like the same ones as in the photo in BUS&SS. I think one of
      Apr 28, 2003 @ 02:45 - Brian J. Butler (Brian J. Butler <bjbutler@...>)
9847. Re: FRGB
      I understand that the Georgia-Turkey territorial sea boundary is marked with buoys and lighting equipment. As far as I m aware this is the world s only
      Apr 28, 2003 @ 07:34 - Martin Pratt ("Martin Pratt" <m.a.pratt@...>)
9848. Re: causn
      Some boudary markers form usca border: http://www.nps.gov/noca/hrs2-5.htm http://www.canadianheritage.org/reproductions/20678.htm
      Apr 28, 2003 @ 15:18 - Artur Kroc ("Artur Kroc" <kroc@...>)
9849. Re: BZGT
      ... official ... More pictutres from bzgt & bzmx borders: http://mmcconeghy.com/centralamerica/inavillage.html
      Apr 28, 2003 @ 15:29 - Artur Kroc ("Artur Kroc" <kroc@...>)
9850. Re: causn
      hahaha i thought that was ridiculous until i looked very closely & sure enough you are obviously right same guys same shapes same outfits they just changed
      Apr 29, 2003 @ 00:34 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9851. Re: FRGB
      thanxx & bravos martin not just for being first but especially for catching sight of the singularity of it all inspired me to hunt down the original 1973 sutu
      Apr 29, 2003 @ 00:20 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9852. Re: causn
      very nice united states countrywide assortment perhaps difficult for nonenglish speakers & thus maybe a pointless clarification but the 4th & 6th links are
      Apr 29, 2003 @ 01:25 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9853. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: causn
      On Monday 28 April 2003 08:34 pm, you wrote: Maybe they spent the interval between 1912 and 1921 transposing digits, in which case it wouldn t have seemed so
      Apr 29, 2003 @ 01:00 - Brian J. Butler (Brian J. Butler <bjbutler@...>)
9854. ruua was byruua
      strange to see such an outgoing byruua with such a shy ruua etc http://english.pravda.ru/cis/2000/10/23/425.html was news to me tho it fits the general picture
      Apr 29, 2003 @ 02:24 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9855. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ruua was byruua
      From the article: We are neither going to put the boundary posts nor to impose visas¦,- said Ivanov . Boundary post as in customs- and passport control post
      Apr 29, 2003 @ 04:26 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9856. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ruua was byruua
      http://borders.cpcfpu.org.ua/eng/analytics/security/document2.shtml ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003
      Apr 29, 2003 @ 04:52 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9857. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ruua was byruua
      http://www.virtualtourist.com/f/p/4b7b/?r=2e7e9 ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 6:52 AM Subject: Re:
      Apr 29, 2003 @ 16:23 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9858. Re: ruua was byruua
      Interesting border situation on RUUA: the twin towns of Melovoe (UA) and Èertkovo (RU). I read somewhere that the border even divides the local hairdresser s.
      Apr 29, 2003 @ 16:49 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
9859. Angels on a boundary cross
      Blofeld s remark the existence of such artifacts as boundary crosses can give rise to all sorts of philosophical and mathematical ponderings. For example, is
      Apr 29, 2003 @ 16:53 - Eef Berns ("Eef Berns" <eefberns@dds.nl>)
9860. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ruua was byruua
      Well, it appears to be a strict railway border http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/EART/maps/x-ussr/M-37-093.jpg Jesper ... From: Peter Smaardijk To:
      May 29, 2003 @ 17:42 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9861. Re: ruua was byruua
      Yes, but it s not the newest of maps, it is a Soviet map (remember the Soviet attitude to their inner boundaries), and of a rather small scale. Cf.
      Apr 29, 2003 @ 18:09 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
9862. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: causn
      What and where is BUS&SS? Jesper ... From: acroorca2002 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 2:34 AM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re:
      Apr 29, 2003 @ 20:06 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9863. Re: causn
      messages 6 & 7 may still be accurate i will scan the pic so you can see who brian meant ... beach ... reunion ... Service.
      Apr 29, 2003 @ 20:16 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9864. SU Railway border
      Seems to be common. Attached Adutiskis.jpg: BYLT and Punduri.jpg: LVRU. Both targets on GBBE2003. Buy what came first the boundary or the railway? Jesper
      Apr 29, 2003 @ 20:17 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9865. the other causn pic
      please see hopefully successful attachment below from bus&ss pic which btw dates it in text from the first expedition between 1906 & 1913 so no mistake about
      Apr 29, 2003 @ 20:41 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@hotmail.com>)
9866. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ruua was byruua
      It s just very odd, that you have a physical feature like to railway as an administrative border, and when you upgrade it to an international line you start
      Apr 29, 2003 @ 20:00 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9867. Indian tp topomaps
      inmmpk: http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/EART/maps/india250k/nf46_10.jpg inpk-kashmir: http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/EART/maps/india250k/ni43_15.jpg cnin-kashmir:
      Apr 29, 2003 @ 21:09 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9868. Re: Angels on a boundary cross
      congrats & bravos eef for this is the first known perfect visit to the presumptive baarle border cross a top prize in the world of multipointing we had our
      Apr 29, 2003 @ 21:46 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9869. Re: SU Railway border
      ... the targeted attachments
      Apr 29, 2003 @ 22:26 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9870. Re: Indian tp topomaps
      ... then inmmpk as the map says but now of course bdinmm
      Apr 29, 2003 @ 22:31 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9871. BZ-GT
      Hello Friends! Finally some pictures from my travels in BZ-GT. I have confirmation by Belize officals of an actual tri-point monument at BZGTMX. Sadly, I
      Apr 30, 2003 @ 00:41 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
9872. GT-BZ (BH) Photos
      Part 2! ===== -- Doug Murray Productions / Border Films CBC Infomatrix / CBC POV Sports Vancouver, BC Canada 604-728-1407 __________________________________ Do
      Apr 30, 2003 @ 00:45 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
9873. indian stream republic & caus
      http://www.mercatormag.com/article.php3?i=2
      Apr 30, 2003 @ 00:56 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9874. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: SU Railway border
      ... From: acroorca2002 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 12:26 AM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: SU Railway border ... the
      Apr 30, 2003 @ 04:41 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
9875. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: SU Railway border
      Concerning Adutiskis, the railway. Your attachment is showing the old USSR border. The new border appeared after the BYLT demarcation. Jan ... Outgoing mail is
      Apr 30, 2003 @ 08:38 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
9876. Re: SU Railway border
      jesper ... it looks like the railways must have come first in every case & it seems the soviets must have pinned the boundaries to the railways in places just
      Apr 30, 2003 @ 14:07 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9877. Re: SU Railway border
      jesper ... it looks like the railways must have come first in every case & it seems the soviets must have pinned the boundaries to the railways in places just
      Apr 30, 2003 @ 14:03 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9878. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: SU Railway border
      Do you have a map of the new border? Jesper ... From: Jan S. Krogh To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 10:38 AM Subject: RE:
      Apr 30, 2003 @ 21:02 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9879. Re: Indian tp topomaps
      http://www.cmc.sandia.gov/Links/about/papers/SAND980505-20/ SAND98-0505-20.htm includes maps showing among other inpk details the relationship between 2 of the
      Apr 30, 2003 @ 19:53 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9880. most extreme pakistani version of cninpk
      at or near karakoram pass http://www.indiatravelogue.com/adve/moun/moun8_5.html but several other versions are possible including no cninpk at all also hinging
      May 01, 2003 @ 00:26 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9881. exceptional gthn moves with avulsions
      http://www.asprs.org/asprs/resources/grids/07-99-honduras.pdf says the gthn agreement provides for the border to move in unison with its defining rivers
      May 01, 2003 @ 02:41 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9882. Re: ruua was byruua
      ... No no Jesper, of course there are border posts with passport and customs control. No doubt, they re talkng about bordermarkers. But it s just that I don t
      May 01, 2003 @ 05:20 - Karolis B. ("Karolis B." <kbajoraz@...>)
9883. Re: ruua was byruua
      ... (UA) ... the ... it ... article ... My quesiton is why such situations happened at all. What kind of rye- drunk nomenklaturist carved out a land parcel or
      May 01, 2003 @ 05:24 - Karolis B. ("Karolis B." <kbajoraz@...>)
9884. Re: ruua was byruua
      so far as has been reported here to date ruua was originally & apparently still is nothing but a line drawn on old & inadequate maps except perhaps for a rare
      May 01, 2003 @ 13:55 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9885. Buildings across borders WAS: ruua was byruua
      ... This is a question that constantly teases me, too. That is, how can buildings straddle international borders? How do such situations come into existence? I
      May 01, 2003 @ 18:35 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
9886. Re: Buildings across borders WAS: ruua was byruua
      ... Even so, it s usually much lower than the national government that issues permits or designs parcels. Even if it was the national authority it wouldn t
      May 01, 2003 @ 22:07 - Karolis B. ("Karolis B." <kbajoraz@...>)
9887. Straddling - Canada & Baarle
      Buildings in Baarle predate the border. The international border there was drawn around parcels based on loyalty preferences expressed by owners, but only in
      May 01, 2003 @ 23:03 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
9888. Re straddling - military causes it, too
      There was one building straddling the East-West German border where the upper floors were east and the lower were west. The East German Army occupied the
      May 01, 2003 @ 23:08 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
9889. Re: Buildings across borders WAS: ruua was byruua
      ... that ... counties. And ... borders. It s ... But ... won t ... the ... seems to me ... the ... checking out ... agree ... and ... RUUA, ... map! ...
      May 02, 2003 @ 01:25 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9890. Re: Buildings across borders WAS: ruua was byruua
      Part of the meat processing factory can be seen at http://www.7c.ru/archive/728.html , 3rd picture. The factory is straddling the road that forms the border
      May 02, 2003 @ 09:16 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
9891. Re: Buildings across borders WAS: ruua was byruua
      well thats bizarre enough a private international bridge bravo between reports of a factory on a boundary ... Street of ... bridge
      May 02, 2003 @ 12:42 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9892. RUUS
      http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/engineering/beringstrait/interactive/in teractive.html
      May 02, 2003 @ 18:25 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9893. arbopy
      http://www.pilcomayo.org.py/imagenes/s_trenza.gif is the best of several good class d pix at http://www.pilcomayo.org.py & links at left this tripoint is
      May 02, 2003 @ 21:42 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9894. all the border disputes in latin america
      recent inventory includes many minor boundary disagreements not previously reported here http://www.osearth.com/resources/sampleNWG/NWG_beta/repo
      May 03, 2003 @ 01:33 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9895. Re: Re straddling - military causes it, too
      ... Are you sure it wasn t just a right/left part of the building? I seem to remember that, but I forgot where it was. If you remember the name of the
      May 03, 2003 @ 08:06 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <listen@...>)
9896. Boundary marker museum
      In Burgweiler, Ostrach municipality, Baden-Wuerttemberg, Germany. Also to be seen: old tripoints of Baden, Wuerttemberg, and Prussia (in casu Hohenzollern).
      May 03, 2003 @ 17:51 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
9897. tripoint buoy still just a dream
      http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/20051m_040201/georgi afinal.doc gives particulars of the georgia turkey territorial sea boundary demarcation from the
      May 03, 2003 @ 23:05 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9898. Re: RUUS
      ... http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/engineering/beringstrait/int eractive/in ... spectacular & inspirational took a few days to find a computer that could
      May 04, 2003 @ 01:13 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9899. Re: Re straddling - military causes it, too
      Hi. The house was in Phillipsthal, and housed the Hossfeldsche Druckerei. The East Germans said to the owners that the house was E property because the main
      May 04, 2003 @ 01:41 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
9900. Straddling - US-CA - 300 buildings
      Here s the article I promised about buildings straddling the US-Canada border. You can see there were 300 at one time and that 150 (!) remain. I have another
      May 04, 2003 @ 01:59 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
9901. Kentucky Exclave in TN&Missouri
      I just posted a super map of this anomaly of Kentucky in the photos library. Regards LN
      May 04, 2003 @ 02:10 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
9902. 2nd Pt Roberts in Minnesota
      I just posted in the photo archive a USGS map of the US-Can border nr lake of the Woods - and it shows the second little peninsula that is in that area, which
      May 04, 2003 @ 02:21 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
9903. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 2nd Pt Roberts in Minnesota
      On Saturday 03 May 2003 10:21 pm, you wrote: And you can see some photos of this area at: http://www.bjbsoftware.com/corners/pointdetail.php3?point=336 ... --
      May 04, 2003 @ 04:00 - Brian J. Butler (Brian J. Butler <bjbutler@...>)
9904. Marked maritime boundaries Was: FRGB
      Enclosed picture of DEDK buoys from the North Sea. Taken from the excellent book on DEDK: Told- og Statsgrænse Danmark/Tyskland 1920-1995 by Aage Emil Hansen
      May 04, 2003 @ 05:50 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
9905. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 2nd Pt Roberts in Minnesota
      Does anybody have a pictures of 912? http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=15&n=5429382&e=332597&s=25&size=s Jesper ... From: L. A. Nadybal To:
      May 04, 2003 @ 09:58 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9906. Re: 2nd Pt Roberts in Minnesota
      & then you wrote you can see your photos are about 30 miles nne of this area & you can get there from here via message 723 where the map referred to is
      May 04, 2003 @ 11:13 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9907. Re: Marked maritime boundaries Was: FRGB
      can you square this with what you said in message 9823 it seems to me the buoys are more probably either border markers or navigational aids but not likely to
      May 04, 2003 @ 11:39 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9908. cobbled from message 390 a tangent about exclaves etc
      ... http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=36.5058&lon=-89.4344& s=200&size=s ... the rest ... surrounded ... not ... an extra pair ... also the attachment to
      May 04, 2003 @ 12:58 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9909. Re: Boundary marker museum
      I spent seven summers (and winters) in that area in the 1970s - visiting Buesingen and Kleinwalsertal/Jungholz regularly from where I lived near Stuttgart as
      May 04, 2003 @ 14:48 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
9910. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Marked maritime boundaries Was: FRGB
      Msg. 9823 was regarding DKSE This is regading DEDK Jesper ... From: acroorca2002 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 1:39 PM Subject:
      May 04, 2003 @ 15:41 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9911. Re: Marked maritime boundaries Was: FRGB
      ok then are these territorial sea buoys or eez buoys or both for in each case you may be on the track of our first tripoint buoy ... Was: FRGB ... Statsgrænse
      May 04, 2003 @ 16:14 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9912. Re: Boundary marker museum
      absolute beauty i get but why advocate envying anything ... - ... where I ... government. The ... food ... Germany. ... Prussia
      May 04, 2003 @ 16:21 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9913. Re: Marked maritime boundaries Was: FRGB
      actually the finose monument looks like it may be buoyant some of the time come to think of it notwithstanding the pedestrian access platform tho it is hard to
      May 04, 2003 @ 16:44 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9914. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Marked maritime boundaries Was: FRGB
      To the best of my knowledge, FINOSE it a wet tp marker. Jesper ... From: acroorca2002 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 6:44 PM
      May 04, 2003 @ 17:04 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9915. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Marked maritime boundaries Was: FRGB
      territorial sea Jesper ... From: acroorca2002 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 6:14 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Marked maritime
      May 04, 2003 @ 17:05 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9916. Re: Marked maritime boundaries Was: FRGB
      thanx & does the book then not say whether the terminal buoy marks the terminal point of the dedk territorial sea boundary for that would be the same as the
      May 04, 2003 @ 18:33 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9917. Re: Marked maritime boundaries Was: FRGB
      i guess it is just a question then of whether the monument is resting permanently on the lake bed or whether it is only moored & therefore a true buoy ... Was:
      May 04, 2003 @ 18:38 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9918. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Marked maritime boundaries Was: FRGB
      No more in the book regarding the buoys. The DEDK treaty in Danish: http://www.retsinfo.dk/_GETDOC_/ACCN/L19230049764-AFGR I have seen the English version in a
      May 04, 2003 @ 19:20 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9919. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Marked maritime boundaries Was: FRGB
      Best DEDK maritime border map, I have at present Jesper ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 9:20 PM Subject:
      May 04, 2003 @ 19:53 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
9920. DEDK history
      Please find attached map of DEDK history: Present border (1920) in the middle by Flensburg 1864-1920 border: south of Ribe and north of Christiansfeld Pre 1864
      May 04, 2003 @ 20:32 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
9921. FINOSE wet or dry WAS: Marked maritime boundaries
      To my knowledge FINOSE is a giant concrete blob standing in a river. The water is rather shallow at the location, and as the water level of the rivers up north
      May 04, 2003 @ 20:44 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@yahoo.com>)
9922. Re: American State Boundaries
      ahh craig it just dawned on me & your question proves to have been even more brilliant than was previously believed & no wonder you expressed no satisfaction
      May 04, 2003 @ 20:54 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9923. Re: FINOSE wet or dry WAS: Marked maritime boundaries
      thanx that is unmistakable so evidently the tripoint itself is practically always dry except in the rain or perhaps highest flood & the monument surmounts or
      May 04, 2003 @ 21:49 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9924. Re: Marked maritime boundaries Was: FRGB
      ok well this map & the geocoords in the agreement linked to the danish agreement below do suggest that all the dedk turn points & therefore possibly all the
      May 04, 2003 @ 22:18 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9925. Re: Marked maritime boundaries Was: FRGB
      ... EV? Does that mean international waters? Seems there isn t any in the North Sea. We had maps about North Sea continental shelf borders in MSG #9081 and
      May 05, 2003 @ 11:17 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <listen@...>)
9926. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Marked maritime boundaries Was: FRGB
      Yes, buoys must be in internal water. I will try to get a better map today. On byus, I, Peter H, and two other border freaks will visit these DEDK lake buys on
      May 05, 2003 @ 11:38 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
9927. Re: Marked maritime boundaries Was: FRGB
      ... any ... any in the North Sea. We had maps about North Sea continental shelf borders in MSG #9081 and #9127, which should explain the situation. ... yes it
      May 05, 2003 @ 14:37 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9928. Re: Marked maritime boundaries Was: FRGB
      ... DEDK lake buys on Monday. excellent adventure & this will be a first on the international level vis vobiscum
      May 05, 2003 @ 14:41 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9929. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Marked maritime boundaries Was: FRGB
      Attached picture of Øresunds Bridge, with navigational channel buoys. DKSE is further left, as the bridge here is entirely on Swedish grounds . I still
      May 05, 2003 @ 15:13 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
9930. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Marked maritime boundaries Was: FRGB
      Map of border and bridge. Buoys apparenly numbered. By why EEZ? Jesper ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003
      May 05, 2003 @ 15:19 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
9931. dedksee dedksew
      It s all EEZ around Denmark Jesper
      May 05, 2003 @ 15:29 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
9932. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Marked maritime boundaries Was: FRGB
      Here is a map that indicates Border Buoy G1 and G2. G1appears to be the from on the book scan. Jesper ... From: Jesper Nielsen To:
      May 05, 2003 @ 17:51 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
9933. Re: Marked maritime boundaries Was: FRGB
      yes g1 looks as tho it might be the most seaward one & it is still well within the coastal base lines & internal waters once past the islands & into the open
      May 05, 2003 @ 18:27 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9934. Re: Marked maritime boundaries: Thailand
      How changed thai boundary since 1968: http://www.cfcambodge.org/Anglais/images/eauthai.gif
      May 05, 2003 @ 18:43 - Artur Kroc ("Artur Kroc" <kroc@...>)
9935. Re: Marked maritime boundaries Was: FRGB
      ... buoys. DKSE is further left, as the bridge here is entirely on Swedish grounds . ... it certainly is the longest but only if you think a tunnel isnt a
      May 05, 2003 @ 18:46 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9936. Re: Marked maritime boundaries: Honduras
      http://www.marrder.com/htw/dec99/national.htm
      May 05, 2003 @ 18:46 - Artur Kroc ("Artur Kroc" <kroc@...>)
9937. Re: dedksee dedksew
      ... yes to the extent that the sovereign territorial sea presupposes economic exclusivity so yes of course it is all a single exclusive economic zone of sorts
      May 05, 2003 @ 18:12 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9938. Re: Marked maritime boundaries Was: FRGB
      ... yes exactly why indeed because this too is a territorial sea boundary & not an eez boundary properly so called assuming the bridge is way less than 24nm
      May 05, 2003 @ 19:30 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9939. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Marked maritime boundaries Was: FRGB
      Actually the Øresunds Bridge is a combined bridge/tunnel: http://www.oeresundsbron.com/index.php?obj=1000029 Jesper ... From: acroorca2002 To:
      May 05, 2003 @ 19:35 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
9940. Re: Marked maritime boundaries: Honduras
      ... thanx artur for this very interesting find leading also to http://ssdc.ucsd.edu/news/claea/h98/claea.19980212.html which updates the hnnisv tridominium
      May 05, 2003 @ 20:57 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9941. Re: Marked maritime boundaries: Thailand
      ... probably somewhat like this http://www.aseanenergy.org/information/news/2003/march/news _21.htm but again there doesnt seem to be any reason to believe
      May 05, 2003 @ 22:27 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9942. Maritime boundary: us&ci
      http://www.vanuatu.usp.ac.fj/pactreaties/Treaties_etc/treaties_U.S.A._ &_Cook_Islands.html
      May 05, 2003 @ 22:47 - Artur Kroc ("Artur Kroc" <kroc@...>)
9943. Delimitation of maritime boundary: usca
      http://www.lawschool.cornell.edu/library/cijwww/icjwww/igeneralinforma tion/ibbook/Bbook8-1.49.htm
      May 05, 2003 @ 22:46 - Artur Kroc ("Artur Kroc" <kroc@...>)
9944. Re: The latest country, the latest border.
      ... c1=41&c2=67 ... Treaty of 1 October 1904 ... Krogh s ... http://www.ga.com/Timor_Site/dTimr1/TimorT6.html
      May 05, 2003 @ 22:58 - Artur Kroc ("Artur Kroc" <kroc@...>)
9945. Re: Delimitation of maritime boundary: usca
      ... http://www.lawschool.cornell.edu/library/cijwww/icjwww/igeneralinforma ... http://www.craigmarlatt.com/craig/canada/canada&the_world/canada&us_bo
      May 05, 2003 @ 22:54 - Artur Kroc ("Artur Kroc" <kroc@...>)
9946. BZ GT New Pictures!
      As promised, I have posted some more pictures of BZGT. I ve uploaded a series of images from Aranal, a town that has the border slicing through it. There are
      May 05, 2003 @ 23:06 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
9947. Re: Delimitation of maritime boundary: usca
      ... http://www.lawschool.cornell.edu/library/cijwww/icjwww/igenerali nforma ... http://www.craigmarlatt.com/craig/canada/canada&the_world/ca nada&us_bo ...
      May 06, 2003 @ 03:12 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9948. testing e mails
      Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service .
      May 06, 2003 @ 11:37 - Bill Burke ("Bill Burke" <billb@...>)
9949. RE: testing e mails
      again sorry have yahoo problems ... From: Bill Burke Sent: 06 May 2003 12:37 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Subject: testing e mails Your use of Yahoo!
      May 06, 2003 @ 12:12 - Bill Burke ("Bill Burke" <billb@...>)
9950. Re: BZ GT New Pictures!
      thanx again doug these pages work well on a good mac on cable tho i couldnt get the pix to enlarge both bzgt markers are surely among the funkiest ever
      May 06, 2003 @ 15:08 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9951. Re: Marked maritime boundaries Was: FRGB
      maps showing both the continental shelf or eez limits & the territorial sea limits are rare but http://www.veridian.com/offerings/images/maritime_large.jpg
      May 06, 2003 @ 15:24 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9952. Re: Marked maritime boundaries Was: FRGB
      better yet & to reduce the multipartite confusion down to bipartite simplicity be sure to check out the 6 authoritative as well as breathtaking maps of
      May 06, 2003 @ 15:51 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9953. new inpk map & cninpk in the news etc
      http://www.keralanext.com/news/index.asp?id=10337 ... http://www.cmc.sandia.gov/Links/about/papers/SAND980505-20/ ... &
      May 06, 2003 @ 19:31 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9954. new inpk map & cninpk in the news etc
      http://www.keralanext.com/news/index.asp?id=10337 ... http://www.cmc.sandia.gov/Links/about/papers/SAND980505-20/ ... &
      May 06, 2003 @ 19:13 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9955. Re: new inpk map & cninpk in the news etc
      apologies & reparations for the unintended double post the new cia map referred to in the article appears to have been
      May 06, 2003 @ 23:49 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9956. E.Timor
      ... For a map and discussion of the history of the boundary, including exchange o enclaves to arrive at the present boundary of 1904, see Frontiers of Asia and
      May 06, 2003 @ 23:53 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
9957. Re: American State Boundaries
      ... That wouldn t come into play as an aswer to the question about interstate boundaries, because the part of Ellis Island that is federal would make it the
      May 07, 2003 @ 02:15 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
9958. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American State Boundaries
      Ellis Island, while owned by the federal government, is not federal territory with a boundary to be established. The 3-acre +/- original island is NY and the
      May 07, 2003 @ 02:47 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
9959. Re: American State Boundaries
      How does your reply square with what CNN wrote in its report on the Supreme Court case from the end of May 03 where it stated: As a result, most of the island
      May 07, 2003 @ 12:32 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
9960. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Straddling - US-CA - 300 buildings
      Great article, Len! Elder has even heard of one apartment house in Beebe Plain where the first floor is in the United States and the second floor is in
      May 07, 2003 @ 13:08 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
9961. Re: American State Boundaries
      kevin is right & there is no longer any njny dispute here so far as i know nor anything to square with anything so far as i can see but apparently just the
      May 07, 2003 @ 13:52 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9962. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Straddling - US-CA - 300 buildings
      When I was in the area last September, I don t recall any apartments being divided by the border in such a manner. I believe there was a 2 story house, but I
      May 07, 2003 @ 14:38 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
9963. Re: Straddling - US-CA - 300 buildings
      rumors yes but we havent yet received any report of a confirmed sighting of any extant international border change defined by elevation anywhere along the z
      May 07, 2003 @ 15:57 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9964. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American State Boundaries
      Note that I wrote the original island which was +/- 3 ac in size. The 1834 NY-NJ compact gave NY jurisdiction over land above the low water level, while NJ
      May 07, 2003 @ 19:08 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
9965. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American State Boundaries
      On Wednesday 07 May 2003 03:08 pm, you wrote: I thought someone mentioned that this boundary was now defined by a set of marked corners. If so, I agree that
      May 07, 2003 @ 19:50 - Brian J. Butler (Brian J. Butler <bjbutler@...>)
9966. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American State Boundaries
      Yes. someone posted an article from a NJ GIS newsletter and it included a map from the pleadings that showed the NY jurisdictional boundary... it follows the
      May 07, 2003 @ 20:57 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
9967. Re: Straddling - US-CA - 300 buildings
      From the library article (I still have not yet posted), the national administration of a floor was dependent upon the location of the main entrance door. The
      May 07, 2003 @ 21:00 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
9968. Israel/Palestine Wall: Photos & Maps
      http://www.pengon.org/wall/photos1.html ... Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
      May 07, 2003 @ 22:03 - quadernet (quadernet <quadernet@...>)
9969. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American State Boundaries
      On Wednesday 07 May 2003 04:57 pm, you wrote: So, does the boundary conform to a set of defined corners with stright line segments between them or to the high
      May 07, 2003 @ 21:29 - Brian J. Butler (Brian J. Butler <bjbutler@...>)
9970. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American State Boundaries
      See this for the process that was used: http://www.state.nj.us/dep/gis/gisupdate/up1499.pdf The article was not satisfactory in addressing my ultimate
      May 07, 2003 @ 22:41 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
9971. Re: Straddling - US-CA - 300 buildings
      ... differentiation ... Here you are wrong Mike. Tho I give 0 credibility to that apartment building story and Len s case involves administration, not
      May 07, 2003 @ 23:36 - Karolis B. ("Karolis B." <kbajoraz@...>)
9972. Re: American State Boundaries
      yes the process has been clear since message 9922 the only thing we dont have yet is any confirmation of the congressional ratification of the final njny
      May 08, 2003 @ 00:51 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9973. Re: Straddling - US-CA - 300 buildings
      wonderful tho how can i be wrong just to doubt this based on the evidence presented til now which i believe has consisted entirely of busted rumors & of course
      May 08, 2003 @ 01:21 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9974. Re: Straddling - US-CA - 300 buildings
      If we revisit the Vennbahn, the question remains open as to the nature of the bridges carrying the Belgian railway and the depth to which the Belgian border
      May 08, 2003 @ 03:36 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
9975. Re: Straddling - US-CA - 300 buildings
      Really don t got a lot of time for this, but here a little translation of mine fore everyone to enjoy TREATY OF THE REPUBLIC OF LITHUANIA AND THE RUSSIAN
      May 08, 2003 @ 05:35 - Karolis B. ("Karolis B." <kbajoraz@...>)
9976. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American State Boundaries
      Please let s not have the how many angels can dance on the head of htis pin discussion again. We can and do measure natural borders, and we don t need an
      May 08, 2003 @ 06:07 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
9977. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American State Boundaries
      Is the border marked anywhere on the island? If so, it might be worth a trip the next time I m in New York to get the photo. Asher ...
      May 08, 2003 @ 05:52 - Asher Samuels (Asher Samuels <asher972@...>)
9978. CH-LI-Border and maybe something enclave-like
      Hi, heres the text of a treaty between Liechtenstein and Switzerland from 1948. its about a spring close to the common border, thats in Liechtenstein, but
      May 08, 2003 @ 08:06 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
9979. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: SU Railway border
      Only this which is from a 1:130.000 map. But you can clearly see that LT got the area around the railwaystation. This was the best LT result after the BYLT
      May 08, 2003 @ 08:09 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@takas.lt>)
9980. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CH-LI-Border and maybe something enclave-like
      i got a mail, that showed the place of the spring. i add a map. chris ... From: chris schulz To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003
      May 08, 2003 @ 08:35 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@gmx.de>)
9981. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American State Boundaries
      On Thursday 08 May 2003 02:07 am, you wrote: I seriously doubt that anyone has attempted to measure the length of the Ellis Island boundary. Why would they?
      May 08, 2003 @ 10:30 - Brian J. Butler (Brian J. Butler <bjbutler@...>)
9982. Re: American State Boundaries
      ... length of the ... marking its position ... right brian but that is precisely my try & how about academic & esthetic value too for at stake here is nothing
      May 08, 2003 @ 15:12 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9983. Re: American State Boundaries
      yes this was the intention as of the 1998 materials we just saw but it might be worth a trip in any case just to find out if the work has been done yet & in
      May 08, 2003 @ 15:45 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9984. Re: American State Boundaries
      ... really you mean 1834 but can you help me to it thats the number i want or close enough to it ... be ... yes i agree if infinity doesnt equal infinity but
      May 08, 2003 @ 16:05 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9985. Re: Straddling - US-CA - 300 buildings
      wait karolis since the treaty begins by outright requiring the state border to be a vertical plane as well as a line it is your burden to persuade me whether
      May 08, 2003 @ 16:24 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9986. Re: CH-LI-Border and maybe something enclave-like
      This is an easement . Another administrative exercize of sovereignty. It would be interesting to learn whether the term unbeschraenkt (unqualified,
      May 08, 2003 @ 16:27 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
9987. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American State Boundaries
      On Thursday 08 May 2003 11:12 am, you wrote: I agree with you Mike and I too am interested in the academic (and aesthetic) fractal boundary question. I was
      May 08, 2003 @ 15:45 - Brian J. Butler (Brian J. Butler <bjbutler@...>)
9988. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American State Boundaries
      Would I agree? Obviously not. You can argue and theorize about the need to measure around molecules, but the real world doesn t operate that way. We can and do
      May 08, 2003 @ 17:17 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
9989. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American State Boundaries
      ... From: acroorca2002 [mailto:orc@orcoast.com] Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:06 AM To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American
      May 08, 2003 @ 17:23 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
9990. Re: Straddling - US-CA - 300 buildings
      ahh len aficionado of vertical sovereignty & busted rumors i knew we should have interviewed you on this topic again too it is easy to confuse everything &
      May 08, 2003 @ 18:06 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9991. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CH-LI-Border and maybe something enclave-like
      hi len, thanks for these details! regards, chris ... From: L. A. Nadybal To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 6:27 PM Subject:
      May 08, 2003 @ 19:40 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
9992. Re: American State Boundaries
      ... right & i never implied it was you were talking about shorelines tho & shoreline boundaries in particular or so i thought & so i was responding to that i
      May 08, 2003 @ 20:00 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9993. baarle-postcard
      hi len, this postcard is on ebay germany right now. heres the link: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2927273321&category=40397 regards, chris
      May 08, 2003 @ 20:07 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@gmx.de>)
9994. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American State Boundaries
      On Thursday 08 May 2003 01:17 pm, you wrote: I wish you would read Chapter 5 of The Fractal Geometry of Nature by Benoit M. Mandelbrot, the title of which is
      May 08, 2003 @ 19:44 - Brian J. Butler (Brian J. Butler <bjbutler@...>)
9995. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American State Boundaries
      Believe me, I am not ignorant of the point on the other side of the argument. But human scale is reasonable when asking the question What is the longest
      May 08, 2003 @ 21:04 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
9996. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American State Boundaries
      ... From: acroorca2002 [mailto:orc@orcoast.com] Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 2:01 PM To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American
      May 08, 2003 @ 21:56 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
9997. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American State Boundaries
      What is bus&ss?
      May 08, 2003 @ 21:58 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
9998. Re: American State Boundaries
      ... i promised to quit but this is too much fun ... much that ... yes our try pointing pursuits really arent oriented to the real world or what passes for the
      May 08, 2003 @ 20:45 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
9999. Re: American State Boundaries
      hahaha see there you go again kevin imagining you are talking about reality & even pretending to walk the right high water line of the red river all the way
      May 08, 2003 @ 23:27 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10000. megamaximultimessage
       go go go go
       May 08, 2003 @ 23:29 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10001. happy myriad
       did we do it lets do it again
       May 08, 2003 @ 23:30 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10002. Re: baarle-postcard
       Thanks for the link. I appreciate it. I have the card, and what is strtange about the stamps, they weren t cancelled at Baarle - but in LeHavre or somewhere.
       May 08, 2003 @ 23:59 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10003. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American State Boundaries
       ... From: acroorca2002 [mailto:orc@orcoast.com] Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 2:46 PM To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American
       May 09, 2003 @ 00:22 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
10004. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American State Boundaries
       It is not difficult at all; just time-consuming. I am sorry you fail to acknowledge this. Sarcasm aside, given the right parameters, it most certainly could be
       May 09, 2003 @ 00:25 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
10005. Re: megamaximultimessage
       ... Wow!
       May 09, 2003 @ 00:32 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
10006. Re: American State Boundaries
       better silly than sorry kevin & without sarcasm but earnestly for we are a real try pointing society here & not just a bunch of regular yakkers i believe the
       May 09, 2003 @ 04:29 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10007. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: SU Railway border
       Interesting indeed. Some houses there between the railway and the river were given to Belarus. Jesper ... From: Jan S. Krogh To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
       May 09, 2003 @ 04:41 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10008. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American State Boundaries
       Iam neither silly nor sorry. No walking on water either. I think you know the task could be done and of course OK-TX could be measured quite satisfactorily and
       May 09, 2003 @ 05:03 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
10009. Re: American State Boundaries
       kevin ... ahh ok well try pointing has been our express center of gravity here & my thinking & comments are accordingly deliberately on point & always as
       May 09, 2003 @ 06:02 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10010. RE: [BoundaryPoint] baarle-postcard A POSSIBLE EXPLANATION
       THE POSTCARD WAS FRANKED IN 1915 IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FIRST WORLD WAR. NEARLY ALL OF BELGUIM WAS OCCUPIED BY GERMANY EXCEPT AN AREA NEAR THE FRENCH BORDER NEAR
       May 09, 2003 @ 08:32 - Bill Burke ("Bill Burke" <billb@...>)
10011. Re: baarle-postcard A POSSIBLE EXPLANATION
       Exactly, Bill. If you read French and have eyes good enough to read the fine print on the post card, all is explained. It is about a patent office located in
       May 09, 2003 @ 09:20 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
10012. new njny
       kevin much intertwingling again below ... to ... the ... indeed you are definitely right & i omitted something important from the good book p79 as follows btw
       May 09, 2003 @ 15:19 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10013. Re: megamaximultimessage
       thanx a myriad buddy & what hath we wrought indeed a poignant footnote i can vouch that our customized yahoo sky shot server was in full attendance last nite
       May 09, 2003 @ 16:44 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10014. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American State Boundaries
       My comments were not off topic given the thread. I didn t begin it; I only commented on an ongoing thread. The quesiton originally was what is the longest
       May 09, 2003 @ 17:18 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
10015. Re: American State Boundaries
       ... i didnt say or imply they were offtopic just substantially offpoint a significant distinction traditionally here at bp since the very name of our game is
       May 09, 2003 @ 20:05 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10016. link about oecussi
       http://www.insideindonesia.org/edit71/Oecussi.htm
       May 09, 2003 @ 21:14 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
10017. vennbahn and vertical soveriegnty
       This may seem a simplistic observation, but if the orginal vennbahn treaty stated that five enclaves were created, then there must be a break in German
       May 09, 2003 @ 21:29 - Bramwell Hayes (=?iso-8859-1?q?Bramwell=20Hayes?= <bramwellhayes@...>)
10018. Re: baarle-postcard A POSSIBLE EXPLANATION
       That also explains why I have the exact same card with stamps from the same set at the same time period but which are cancelled at Baarle. Thanks LN
       May 09, 2003 @ 21:34 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10019. RE: [BoundaryPoint] new njny
       Responding here to your inquiry over in the other thread (btw, I didn t say I would actually walk OK-TX! I merely meant it could be done and in all likelihood,
       May 09, 2003 @ 22:54 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
10020. Re: new njny
       ... didn t say ... and in all ... hahahahahahhh hahaha in your dreams baby hahahaha & i am still trying to understand the rest of your unclarity here below &
       May 09, 2003 @ 22:51 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10021. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: new njny
       Simply.... The Compact delineates two separate rights... ownership of *and* jurisdiction over. They mean two different things, and this to me implies heavily
       May 09, 2003 @ 23:14 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
10022. Re: new njny
       ... *and* ... implies ... the Hudson ... NJ, are ... Guantanamo ... ahh ok very good & there is other stuff in the compact that backs you up in this such as a
       May 10, 2003 @ 00:55 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10023. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: new njny
       Thanks for the perspective on NY-NJ As to the river walk, I think a boat would help us get across mouths of tributaries; there are many ways to follow the
       May 10, 2003 @ 01:18 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
10024. Re: new njny
       hahahahaaaa what you mean us quimosabe hahaha & a river walk hahaha this is no river walk this is a freakin boundary walk & i never granted you any freakin
       May 10, 2003 @ 01:18 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10025. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: new njny
       Re: River walk. I give up trying to talk sense to you. If you don t realize that people can walk a natural boundary such as the south bank of the Red -- given
       May 10, 2003 @ 01:42 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
10026. Re: link about oecussi
       ... http://us.altnews.com.au/article.php?sid=4334 http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/RN/2001-02/02rn45.htm
       May 10, 2003 @ 01:27 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10027. Re: vennbahn and vertical soveriegnty
       I don t recall that the treaty explicitly stated how many were created. See a pair of map extracts and a drawing I posted in Photos for one site in
       May 10, 2003 @ 03:08 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10028. Re: vennbahn and vertical soveriegnty
       I don t recall that the treaty explicitly stated how many were created. See a pair of map extracts and a drawing I posted in Photos for one site in
       May 10, 2003 @ 03:16 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10029. NYNJ - My take
       You know what a polygon with infinite side is? It s a circle. And circles have a measurable perimeter, the circumference. My point? Don t automatically
       May 10, 2003 @ 03:48 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
10030. Re: NYNJ - My take
       beautiful post pal ... correct it has been legally defined as what i would call a true follow the dots dance with some 60 or 80 or 180 points i forget which
       May 10, 2003 @ 14:06 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10031. Re: NYNJ - Here: official postal marking
       Arif s subject NYNJ reminded me that, when the US Postal Service issues stamps, its first days of issue ceremonies usually are a day in advance of nationwide
       May 10, 2003 @ 14:12 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10032. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: NYNJ - My take
       Being a New Yorker, I could be your gracious host for a Hudson-East River border expedition. Besides Ellis Island, there are a few interesting county
       May 10, 2003 @ 17:06 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
10033. Re: new njny
       ... thanx i graciously accept your resignation especially as i know you know you couldve maintained the draw & by repetition or stalemate equally well If you
       May 10, 2003 @ 17:43 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10034. Shortest broken part of a shared state boundary
       Hiya BoundaryPointers I regard the shortest common boundary to be DE-PA. I do not take into account broken state boundaries, like Fulton Country KY and
       May 10, 2003 @ 18:01 - Craig ("Craig" <trehala@...>)
10035. Re: [BoundaryPoint] NYNJ - My take
       Arif, ... There is no question that they are different countries. This was established by the 1931 convention that created the Commonwealth of Nations from
       May 10, 2003 @ 18:10 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
10036. Re: NYNJ - My take
       wonderful thank you i accept & would certainly want to begin with ellis & imagine the moon & i will both be ready as soon as i can determine that all the
       May 10, 2003 @ 18:48 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10037. Re: Shortest broken part of a shared state boundary
       ... ahh finally thank you hiya hiya ... oh ok thanx again tho kytn2 & njny ellis & njny liberty & motn2 & kymo2 arent really broken though they are separate
       May 10, 2003 @ 19:26 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10038. Re: NYNJ - My take
       very tastefully done maestro i am pretty sure there are actually at least 5 commonwealths in the usa tho i cant name them all with confidence i think i can
       May 10, 2003 @ 20:08 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10039. Re: NYNJ - My take
       Kevin, Re: Monaco & Vatican; the concept of their not truly independent is an odd thing for your to write when you are supporting a position that former
       May 10, 2003 @ 20:29 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10040. Re: NYNJ - Here: official postal marking
       i dunno i dont even think that was a question but my answer would be a postal cancellation actually performed precisely on a border particularly an
       May 10, 2003 @ 20:49 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10041. Re: NYNJ - My take
       ... breadth it ever ... Germany under a ... hahahahahahaha whattt
       May 10, 2003 @ 20:57 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10042. Re: [BoundaryPoint] NYNJ - My take
       Len, ... France has long considered micro-states, especially those with special taxation arrangements, to be anomalies. In the case of Monaco, they have leaned
       May 10, 2003 @ 23:12 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
10043. Re: NYNJ - My take
       ... I would agree that it s a matter of perception, in the same way that you can approach boundary measurement in different ways ;-) Touche on that one.
       May 10, 2003 @ 23:10 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10044. the quest for americas shortest state line advances
       arif &al a review of the surfable data indicates no news of the further actualization of the new ellis island njny boundary since jan 2000 when final
       May 11, 2003 @ 00:52 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10045. Re: NYNJ - My take
       ... that ... yes i am even touched now too for of course you can approach things differently & thank goodness but the truth you get from them depends only on
       May 11, 2003 @ 01:24 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10046. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Shortest broken part of a shared state boundary
       ... No. That s about a mile and a half. There are numerous river borders where short stretches of land are in the wrong state for various reasons, and many
       May 10, 2003 @ 23:20 - S.D. Rhodes ("S.D. Rhodes" <rhodent@...>)
10047. Re: Shortest broken part of a shared state boundary
       Maybe there s no answer to this for a very different reason than fractal infinity.... on the Mississipi, there are many dozends of stretches where the boundary
       May 11, 2003 @ 04:37 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10048. Re: Shortest broken part of a shared state boundary
       if the shortest dry state line segment is what is wanted it is northernmost njpa on the njnypa monument at flood stage as pictured here at bp not many months
       May 11, 2003 @ 06:02 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10049. Re: [BoundaryPoint] NYNJ - My take
       Mike, ... Any idea which of the states isn t a state? Puerto Rico is certainly a commonwealth rather than a state, but I assume you meant one of the 50? BTW -
       May 11, 2003 @ 09:04 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
10050. Re: NYNJ - My take
       ... hahahahaha thank you more below Puerto Rico is certainly a ... one of the 50? a fair query but foul assumption i suppose that would be the promised
       May 11, 2003 @ 13:04 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10051. Re: Shortest broken part of a shared state boundary
       ... boundary. ... borders ... various ... found is ... Chesapeake ... find a ... welcome rhodent nice handle & thanx for the clear analysis & great example
       May 11, 2003 @ 15:05 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10052. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: NYNJ - My take
       I m hopefully going to be in New York in mid-June. In the meantime I m trying to get word from wither the National Park Service or Aramark (the concessionaire
       May 11, 2003 @ 16:07 - Asher Samuels (Asher Samuels <asher972@...>)
10053. Re: [BoundaryPoint] NYNJ - My take
       I never assumed that a dominion in the commonwealth was anything besides an independent country. Nor did I assume any of the commonwealths was anything
       May 11, 2003 @ 16:47 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
10054. Re: Shortest broken part of a shared state boundary
       Hi S. D. I just checked an atlas and found this fragment. WOW! Thanks! This is exactly what I m looking for. I love this kind of thing, and thanks to you all
       May 11, 2003 @ 18:05 - Craig ("Craig" <trehala@...>)
10055. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: NYNJ - My take
       Commonwealths as members of the union: PA, VA, MA, KY. Fifth commonwealth is not a state: PR
       May 12, 2003 @ 00:13 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
10056. RE: [BoundaryPoint] NYNJ - My take
       I believe there might be some misinterpretation here of the article regarding GIS determination of the NY-NJ Ellis Island boundary. The boundary is not the
       May 12, 2003 @ 02:33 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
10057. Re: NYNJ - My take
       ... article ... boundary. The boundary ... has been ... federal government ... yes here apparently is one misinterpretation already because the article says
       May 12, 2003 @ 17:33 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10058. Re: NYNJ - My take
       all wonderful news asher & your visit will probably give us our best window of opportunity as well as enough time to get our best possible act together so i
       May 12, 2003 @ 17:40 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10059. Re: Shortest broken part of a shared state boundary
       http://www.rdms.udel.edu/dgs/boundary/ID134.html http://www.rdms.udel.edu/dgs/boundary/ID183.html for directions to the lost monument & other eyewitness
       May 12, 2003 @ 18:04 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10060. ellis island connect the dots is a bust
       just spoke with larry thornton of njdep who was partly responsible for picking up the 180 dots from the low water line on the 1857 map & he explained that they
       May 12, 2003 @ 19:32 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10061. but maybe no congressional ratification is pending
       oops a closer look at http://www.state.nj.us/dep/gis/images/mapcon1999/thornton.htm l suggests i may well have been mistaken to expect congressional
       May 12, 2003 @ 20:19 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10062. 1998 scotus ellis opinion in full
       http://www6.law.com/ny/links/ellis.html some very interesting stuff here & the conclusion directs further action before a final ruling we know the parties
       May 13, 2003 @ 00:32 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10063. RE: [BoundaryPoint] NYNJ - My take
       As Charles Barkley named his book, I say I could be wrong...but I doubt it. Seriously though, it is just my opinion and no way the gospel truth, just as I
       May 13, 2003 @ 00:53 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
10064. policy as entertainment
       http://www.endex.com/gf/buildings/liberty/eiowner.htm for some comic relief also please take a look at the last sentence in the antepenultimate paragraph of
       May 13, 2003 @ 01:26 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10065. RE: [BoundaryPoint] NYNJ - My take - OOPS!
       By the way, I should have been clear about something plus I should have been read some other parts of the supreme court case besides the history to answer my
       May 13, 2003 @ 01:45 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
10066. RE: [BoundaryPoint] NYNJ - My take
       I agree with your characterizations of the discussion, and btw, I am not wedded to a position on the issue; that s why I am discussing it, because I am
       May 13, 2003 @ 05:30 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
10067. MDPADE question
       If anyone here has visited the tripoint at MDPADE, can they tell me whether the private owner of the land in fact has it posted No Tresspassing or Tresspassers
       May 13, 2003 @ 05:36 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
10068. DENJ
       I found the page: http://www.verenigdestatenvanamerika.com/images/delaware_map.gif Where are seen two Delaware enclaves on right bank of Delaware Bay. Is it
       May 13, 2003 @ 08:41 - Artur Kroc ("Artur Kroc" <kroc@...>)
10069. Re: DENJ
       ... Yes. The northern part: http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=18&n=4385259&e=451225&s=50 The southern part:
       May 13, 2003 @ 08:49 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
10070. Re: MDPADE question
       ... me whether ... Tresspassing or ... the land owner just to the sw of the point does indeed value his privacy & has posted a crescendo of no tresspassing
       May 13, 2003 @ 11:08 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10071. Re: DENJ
       ... http://www.verenigdestatenvanamerika.com/images/delaware_ map.gif ... Delaware Bay. ... http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=18&n=4385259&e=45122 5&s=50 ...
       May 13, 2003 @ 11:53 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10072. Re: NYNJ - My take
       i agree you have put your finger on an extreme anomaly as of 1834 very satisfying to see & would guess that its very extremity teamed up with the nj underdog
       May 13, 2003 @ 12:15 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10073. Re: MDPADE question
       ... whether ... or ... +++++++ To approach DEMDPA now from the east means having to traverse a longish stretch of very tick-infested woods. If one parks one s
       May 13, 2003 @ 13:20 - nj55er ("nj55er" <spookymike@...>)
10074. was nj underdog pushed back 6 feet here
       it looks like delaware may have managed to slice an extra 6 feet of tongue here too off of new jersey between the 1984 recovery of the monument lost 38 years
       May 13, 2003 @ 13:37 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10075. Re: MDPADE question
       ... ... tell me ... Tresspassing ... traverse a ... car up ... leads ... shed ... minutes. ... are ... the ... take the long pantes if you dont
       May 13, 2003 @ 13:44 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10076. Re: MDPADE question
       in fact i would say it is practically always most fun if sneaking around is involved except perhaps when one can actually hear live fire overhead have you done
       May 13, 2003 @ 14:16 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10077. Re: DENJ
       I thought the bigger area (not an enclave/exclave, just a detached part of DE on the wrong side of the river) was called Supawna (sp?) Meadows NWR. Has the
       May 13, 2003 @ 14:48 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10078. Re: DENJ
       actually killcohook nwr is in both de & nj & includes all or most of the larger right bank delaware tongue as well as most if not all of the dry denj state
       May 13, 2003 @ 16:01 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10079. RE: [BoundaryPoint] DENJ
       Do you mean left bank? This is part of the New Castle Circle, the 12-mile radius from the cupola point of the courthouse in New Castle DE within which William
       May 13, 2003 @ 17:01 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
10080. Re: DENJ
       hahaha you are correct left is right in this case & right was wrong oops ... the 12-mile ... DE within which ...
       May 13, 2003 @ 17:15 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10081. Re: link about oecussi
       http://www.abc.net.au/asiapacific/specials/etimor/map_oecusse.htm
       May 13, 2003 @ 18:38 - Artur Kroc ("Artur Kroc" <kroc@...>)
10082. Re: DENJ
       but tho you arent wrong either the 12mile circle was actually or originally 1 of the 2 feoffs given to penn by the duke of york in 1682 for 10000 years yet
       May 13, 2003 @ 20:23 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10083. new njny news
       spoke to rich castagna of njdep today the genius who confirmed & manipulated the 180 dots redefining the new ellis island njny boundary & who testified about
       May 13, 2003 @ 21:56 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
10084. RE: [BoundaryPoint] NYNJ - My take
       I considered writing this message just to Kevin, but I thought members of the group might support or oppose my viewpoint to educate me more. I totally
       May 13, 2003 @ 23:55 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
10085. RE: [BoundaryPoint] NYNJ - My take
       I disagree only to the point that you belive treaty writers might use different terms to mean the same things; my experience is precisely the opposite. They
       May 14, 2003 @ 03:01 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
10086. new ellis boundary was finalized in 1999
       confirmation at last in a little note buried in the back of the summer 1998 issue of professional surveyor magazine the supreme court quietly issued its final
       May 14, 2003 @ 04:23 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10087. Re: NYNJ - My take
       bus&ss also indicates that the greater new york charter of 1897 placed ellis island under the jurisdiction of new york city by then & that the original
       May 14, 2003 @ 05:11 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10088. Re: new ellis boundary was finalized in 1999
       wait the part about the obelisk is needlessly confusing there is no obelisk in this picture & azconmut really should get the basilisk in honor of its mythic
       May 14, 2003 @ 13:34 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10089. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: new ellis boundary was finalized in 1999
       ... There is ALWAYS some possible objection. :-) In this case, I m certain some would argue that DCVA deserves consideration, even though DC isn t technically
       May 14, 2003 @ 14:16 - S.D. Rhodes ("S.D. Rhodes" <rhodent@...>)
10090. Fwd: Tripointing
       the following just in from my doppelganger spooky mike appears to have been meant for the whole group & should certainly interest the whole group as it is an
       May 14, 2003 @ 15:42 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
10091. Re: new ellis boundary was finalized in 1999
       ... hahaha you are absolutely right pal & the united states is certainly a state besides so with dc we really are talking interstate boundaries of a sort even
       May 14, 2003 @ 16:35 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10092. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: NYNJ - My take
       No, your assumption is incorrect. Jurisdiction (in this case of NY over Ellis and Bedloes/Liberty and the surface of the Hudson even on the NJ side of the
       May 14, 2003 @ 17:37 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
10093. Re: NYNJ - My take
       kevin i am again staggered by my incomprehension assuming you are talking to me just below if i may then i still dont know what assumption you are talking
       May 14, 2003 @ 20:46 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10094. Re: NYNJ - My take
       kevin i am again staggered by my incomprehension assuming you are talking to me just below if i may then i still dont know what assumption you are talking
       May 14, 2003 @ 18:05 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10095. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: NYNJ - My take
       No, you misunderstood: In the Denver example, the city -- not the respective counties -- has jurisdiction over its parkland which is well outside the city in
       May 14, 2003 @ 22:00 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
10096. west kytn length & a preliminary comparison
       while awaiting the official new jersey computation of the total length of the new njny state line on ellis island i have been anticipating & preparing for a
       May 14, 2003 @ 23:24 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10097. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: new ellis boundary was finalized in 1999
       ... You would have to think wrong, then. :-) I was only pointing out what people could argue (I don t buy DCVA or DCMD in any case...more on this in a second),
       May 14, 2003 @ 21:40 - S.D. Rhodes ("S.D. Rhodes" <rhodent@...>)
10098. Re: NYNJ - My take
       yes as i said before my incomprehension is staggering & continues to be so i am not really surprised to learn that i misunderstood but if i could ask are you
       May 15, 2003 @ 01:32 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10099. Lake Titicaca Condominium
       I just came across this. Anybody know if this information is still current (does the condo continue to exist?): The Peru Border with Bolivia This border was
       May 15, 2003 @ 02:34 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10100. Re: new ellis boundary was finalized in 1999
       ... deserves ... hahaaah good one ... hahaha indeed there is no limit to what people could argue haha hahahahaha ... everyone ... arguing ... yes but first
       May 15, 2003 @ 03:14 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10101. Re: Lake Titicaca Condominium
       maybe it did in 1925 but i didnt notice any condo there in 1967 & none is indicated on the latest cia & national geographic maps but only a clean international
       May 15, 2003 @ 04:38 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10102. shortest state line derby update
       rich castagna of njdep creator of the new njny state line on ellis island just called back confirming a final grand total of 182 turn points & a final judgment
       May 15, 2003 @ 17:18 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10103. Re: NYNJ - My take
       excuse me kevin but upon further reflection & more careful review of the 1998 njny ellis case outline or syllabus
       May 15, 2003 @ 21:29 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10104. corrected url Re: NYNJ - My take
       by cosmic joke the url of this link in the original message actually contained a zero followed indistinguishably by an upper case o & i not only missed the
       May 15, 2003 @ 22:24 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10105. why cdrwug has no monument in the mist
       you remember the one about the gorilla buff who climbed mount sabinio but reported finding nothing in particular at the summit least of all anything suggesting
       May 16, 2003 @ 00:10 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10106. Re: Fwd: Tripointing
       & mike let me just add that notwithstanding the large numbers of our membership & messages there are actually very few people in the entire world known to have
       May 16, 2003 @ 13:26 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10107. more mxus follies
       while waiting for our hudson kentucky derby event another fantastic border race is unfolding here
       May 16, 2003 @ 14:20 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
10108. possible breitenstein antecedents found
       3 museum quality iraqi boundary stones dating possibly from as early as the 4th millennium rival our breitenstein & associates for the title of oldest &
       May 16, 2003 @ 23:37 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
10109. but yikes here are some true rocks too
       presenting a more serious challenge to breitenstein than do the iraqis are the boundary stones of the agora at athens distinguishing the sacred from profane
       May 17, 2003 @ 00:09 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
10110. try pointing around home
       someones monumental boundary pointing adventure & challenge in the heptagonal monumental city http://www.btco.net/ghosts/oddsends/boundary/boundary.html i
       May 17, 2003 @ 01:09 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
10111. boundary dispute at loggerheads
       ultimately won by lords of mold http://www.ict.liv.org.uk/Colomendy/BoundaryDispute.htm _________________________________________________________________ Tired
       May 17, 2003 @ 03:02 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
10112. boundary pointing in vietnam
       http://www.thingsasian.com/goto_article/article.789.html all good but dont miss the last 5 paragraphs trying for a new bp record of 13 messages in a row
       May 17, 2003 @ 03:04 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
10113. Pictures from a DEDK expedition
       Two shots from a DEDK expedition on 12th May 2003. Border buoy no. 240 and A cow border crossing - farm in DE, field in DK. Border marker in between the two
       May 17, 2003 @ 08:19 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
10114. two German books
       ... Contact him for more details on these. ... Brendan Whyte
       May 18, 2003 @ 02:34 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
10115. LTBY: Canadian Press Story on EU enlargement
       This may be of interest. Source: Globe and Mail (National Paper), Canada In Lithuanian bar, peasants toast Europe They ve joined the club, but they don t
       May 19, 2003 @ 05:32 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
10116. Re: [BoundaryPoint] LTBY: Canadian Press Story on EU enlargement
       ... Why do people continually confuse a political union with a geography entity? Whilst the exact geographical boundaries of Europe are open to debate, I can t
       May 19, 2003 @ 10:23 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
10117. Re: LTBY: Canadian Press Story on EU enlargement
       ... Europe. I ... smuggling things, but ... European. ... geography ... because they can i mean i think there is probably a law that goes if a possible
       May 19, 2003 @ 12:41 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10118. Re: LTBY: Canadian Press Story on EU enlargement
       ... tightly ... indeed this appears to be a clue that the magic moment is approaching when most of europes 44 worldclass tripoints will simply melt away into
       May 19, 2003 @ 13:20 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10119. Re: two German books
       nice find & would anyone know of examples of such boundaries described one way in treaty text & mapped another way on the official treaty map i wonder if it
       May 19, 2003 @ 13:28 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10120. Re: Pictures from a DEDK expedition
       nice going mates it looks like you must have been afloat there yourselves too there had of course been talk of international boundary buoys here & also of
       May 19, 2003 @ 13:35 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10121. Re: [BoundaryPoint] LTBY: Canadian Press Story on EU enlargement
       ... I think there is a misunderstanding on the part of whoever wrote the original article. It is recognised by almost everyone that the current EU structure
       May 19, 2003 @ 14:38 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
10122. Eastern Europe Stories -- Part 2
       Another installment from Canada s Globe and Mail Newspaper: One country, two views of history For Poland s young, waxing nostalgic for the bad old days of
       May 19, 2003 @ 19:57 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
10123. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Pictures from a DEDK expedition
       Two more pictures from same expedition: DEDK1: The border dissapearing into the North Sea. Property marker in sand. Pole at the back also right on the border.
       Oct 19, 2002 @ 20:15 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
10124. njny ellis confirmed shortest state line in the usa
       well it really was a photo finish & it is final at last but not at all as anticipated the formerly shortest state line in america 3mile long west kytn at
       May 19, 2003 @ 20:39 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
10125. shortest international border in the world
       we have already nominated the narrow neck between morocco & spain at penon de velez de la gomera worlds shortest international dry boundary & have even made
       May 20, 2003 @ 11:54 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10126. Re: shortest international border in the world
       I think if you check with Brendan, he ll find Bangladesh enclaves so small that the border around them will beat the border around any little piece of Baarle
       May 20, 2003 @ 13:36 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10127. Re: shortest international border in the world
       thanx for the tries len but why do you think so you &or brendan may well know some hard facts i need but i settled on baarle first because it is substantially
       May 20, 2003 @ 15:45 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10128. Re: shortest international border in the world
       oops in favor of cooch behar rather than against it is its average clave size of about 60 hectares compared to baarles average clave size of about 280 hectares
       May 20, 2003 @ 17:37 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10129. Re: shortest international border in the world
       Ooops is right. I just thumbed through Brendan s thesis and found a list with surprises. Here s an extract: District & /J.L. No Enclave Name Area
       May 20, 2003 @ 19:32 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10130. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: shortest international border in the world
       There is also the farm that was a German enclave in Belgium -- that could be a contender. Jesper? Doug ...
       May 20, 2003 @ 19:25 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
10131. Re: shortest international border in the world
       great len then you may already have right there in front of you all the data needed for answering both questions first by just finding the cooch behar clave
       May 20, 2003 @ 21:40 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10132. Ellis Island and Baarle
       Ellis Island: thousandths of a foot? Is this the US going metric without going metric? I don t think I ve ever seen ruler with 10ths of an inch (only 8ths and
       May 20, 2003 @ 23:43 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
10133. Re: Ellis Island and Baarle
       ... going metric? I ... and ... come from? this is the supreme court granting its decree on 17may1999 upon the final report of the special master in the njny
       May 21, 2003 @ 01:49 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10134. Re: shortest international border in the world
       Hi. I ll do that. I need time to go through the list thoroughly, take Brendan s 1 meter x 1 meter map, find the location of each of the small ones and I ll
       May 21, 2003 @ 03:10 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10135. Re: Ellis Island and Baarle
       I guess I just saved an hour. LN ... will
       May 21, 2003 @ 03:17 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10136. Vennbahn farm - smallest intl border??
       Yes, I recall - Entenpfuhl on one map and called Ruckschlag on another. I posted the two maps of this in the photo archive. I don t havre the scale of the
       May 21, 2003 @ 04:02 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10137. Re: Vennbahn farm - smallest intl border??
       I take it back - this farm has more like four acres to it. LN
       May 21, 2003 @ 04:07 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10138. Re: [BoundaryPoint] shortest international border in the world
       How about tiny divided islands like NOSE? http://users.erols.com/jcalder/DIVIDEDV1.htm Jesper ... From: acroorca2002 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent:
       Oct 21, 2002 @ 04:42 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10139. Re: shortest international border in the world
       Some inforations about divided island Märketin with nice phote you can find there: http://www.pp.clinet.fi/~pkr01/historia/market.html
       May 21, 2003 @ 09:37 - Artur Kroc ("Artur Kroc" <kroc@...>)
10140. tiny divided islands like nose
       right how about these again too they arent shortest entire border line candidates such as do occur at baarle & cooch behar but they are shortest dry segment of
       May 21, 2003 @ 11:07 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10141. saved an hour
       how so len or do you just mean you will call it a day now without bothering to fulfill on your latest promise or on the latest hope you offered of definitively
       May 21, 2003 @ 11:26 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10142. Re: saved an hour
       It s moot. Anyway, I can t top Brendan s work. LN
       May 21, 2003 @ 13:09 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10143. Russia has ratificated the Lithuanian-Russian border treaty
       The Duma has today ratificated the almost 6 years old boundary treaty with Lithuania, according to Interfax. 268 parliamentarians voted yes, 138 against and
       May 21, 2003 @ 13:14 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
10144. Re: [IBRG] Russia has ratificated the Lithuanian-Russian border treaty
       English version
       Oct 21, 2002 @ 19:06 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10145. to clarify & simplify the question
       dear brendan especially in a nutshell again now i am looking for the shortest entirely geodetic international border in the world you have already identified &
       May 22, 2003 @ 00:22 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
10146. Entirely geodetic?
       How do you define entirely geodetic ? Does that mean land border or does land under water count? I thought Brendan completely answered the question of at
       May 22, 2003 @ 01:37 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10147. Re: Entirely geodetic?
       ahh len is back already hahaha no longer so sure it is moot & raring for more confusion well great but of course it really is moot & always was & nothing of
       May 22, 2003 @ 07:25 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10148. worlds longest border anyone
       according to the cia & prevailing perception the winner of the grandest asterisk we have to give is kazakhstan russia at arguably 6846 km since caus tho
       May 22, 2003 @ 13:55 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
10149. Re: [BoundaryPoint] worlds longest border anyone
       ... I agree: haha! hahahahahaha! Standing in line at the 49th, Doug
       May 22, 2003 @ 14:39 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
10150. Re: Entirely geodetic?
       Yeah, except that the Indo-Bangla enclave borders often (perhaps even usually) follow the berms around someone s rice patty. haha-sheesh! Is the straight line
       May 22, 2003 @ 16:20 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10151. Re: Entirely geodetic?
       ... (perhaps even ... haha-sheesh! ... existence, ... upon to ... so, ... ahh len thank you very much indeed for this confirmation of the commonness of these
       May 22, 2003 @ 19:14 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10152. Re: worlds longest border anyone
       hahahaha it only just dawned on me what you meant by longest good one ... undefended
       May 22, 2003 @ 19:49 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10153. Re: [IBRG] Russia has ratificated the Lithuanian-Russian border treaty
       the first completed postsoviet border treaty to be reported here tho the link in message 9854 about ruua might better have been
       May 22, 2003 @ 22:20 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10154. Enclaves under 0.86acres
       ... Going by the book, (and you could always buy the book, Mike I have 2 copies left that need loving homes) 3476sq m comes to 0.859acres. Call it 0.86 acres.
       May 23, 2003 @ 00:35 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
10155. Re: Enclaves under 0.86acres
       maxi thanxxx brendan for this exceedingly gratifying & indeed overwhelming post & apologies too for having asked a much bigger favor & job than i had imagined
       May 23, 2003 @ 14:55 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10156. Re: Enclaves under 0.86acres
       maxi thanxxx brendan for this exceedingly gratifying & indeed overwhelming post & apologies too for having asked a much bigger favor & job than i had imagined
       May 23, 2003 @ 14:43 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10157. WorldN
       http://www.dpc.dk/PolarfrontenDPC/3_01/IslandsReport.html
       May 23, 2003 @ 20:01 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10158. WorldN
       http://www.dpc.dk/PolarfrontenDPC/3_01/IslandsReport.html
       May 23, 2003 @ 11:00 - jesniel@image.dk (jesniel@...)
10159. Re: WorldN
       ... which reminds me which reminds me ever since craig arrived with dry bpn aka the northernmost dry boundary point on earth in message 8709 we have made
       May 24, 2003 @ 02:10 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10160. Re: Enclaves under 0.86acres
       See? I told ya . LN
       May 24, 2003 @ 02:49 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10161. Re: Enclaves under 0.86acres
       whattt ... than
       May 24, 2003 @ 13:29 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10162. Re: WorldN
       finally a peek at dry bps the southernmost dry boundary point in the world first by map where you can also see it abuts a restricted nature area
       May 24, 2003 @ 17:37 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10163. Re: WorldN
       meanwhile back in new guinea the 4 probably matching marker candidates for dry bpe are of cement & date from around 1966 the northernmost stands near the right
       May 25, 2003 @ 01:42 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10164. Re: WorldN
       ... this was worth a second look jesper & not just because it led me to realize that what you are actually presenting here isnt quite exactly worldn for of
       May 25, 2003 @ 03:59 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10165. ctri dispute
       http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/25/nyregion/25CONN.html Drawing a Line, and Defending It May 25, 2003 By JANE GORDON ONLY a short while ago, Harry and Lois
       May 25, 2003 @ 11:55 - Asher Samuels ("Asher Samuels" <asher972@...>)
10166. Re: ctri dispute & crime on borders
       Interesting article you sent. There appeared also a border-related article in the Washington Post yesterday. It seems that a study was done on the locations
       May 25, 2003 @ 13:59 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10167. Re: ctri dispute
       nice one asher ... sounds like try pointing at its best yet for presumably practical purposes yikes ... this discrepancy occurs up & down the full length of
       May 25, 2003 @ 17:26 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10168. absolute bpn & bps advance
       multi useful source for the following info & generally http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/html/20051m.htm first regarding absolute bpn since no
       May 25, 2003 @ 17:34 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
10169. Re: ctri dispute
       ... marker? ... but here is the solution to mr majeikas puzzle anyway i believe his supposed cho baseline marker is not a state line marker at all nor even
       May 26, 2003 @ 13:54 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10170. Wired on Borders
       The June issue of Wired has a one page article on borders. Six areas are featured along with awful maps. The full text is available here:
       May 26, 2003 @ 17:59 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
10171. Re: Wired on Borders
       ... Six areas ... well at least we didnt see the maps & just to flush out our first bp awful rainbow medley tour
       May 26, 2003 @ 19:43 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10172. News Item: Balkan Borders
       News item on the Balkan borders: http://www.voanews.com/article.cfm?objectID=DA9041D0-C8CF-46DD- 8B705663BE28D4C6
       May 26, 2003 @ 20:59 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
10173. Farm on Byelorussian border
       Some time ago I recall reading the story of a Latvian or Lithuanian farm on the border with Belarus. The story centred around the woman who lived on the farm
       May 26, 2003 @ 22:34 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
10174. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Farm on Byelorussian border
       Found it! It was Jan s website: http://home.no.net/enklaver/adutiskis.htm Doug ...
       May 26, 2003 @ 23:17 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
10175. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Wired on Borders
       Does anyone have any first-hand info on the Geneva airport? Supposedly there s a French section (as well as the main Swiss one). To go in, does one need a
       May 27, 2003 @ 10:05 - Asher Samuels (Asher Samuels <asher972@...>)
10176. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Wired on Borders
       ... Yes, it s a separate section of the terminal and handles domestic flights from France. Passengers can take bus connections to French territory without
       May 27, 2003 @ 10:31 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
10177. Don't have a cow man!
       Cows are a problem on the Indo-Bangladesh boundary. Bangladeshi Muslims eat them, Indian Hindus don t. So the Indian nationalists portray border raiders as
       May 27, 2003 @ 11:01 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
10178. tin bigha photos
       Do you know any site with photos from tin bingha corridor? Thanks marcel
       May 27, 2003 @ 11:40 - marcelmiquelcat ("marcelmiquelcat" <marcelmiquel@...>)
10179. Re: tin bigha photos
       Brendan s book has some, and I hear he has two copies left. :- LN
       May 27, 2003 @ 14:25 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10180. Eritrea-Ethiopia boundary demarcation article
       Here s some info about the impending demarcation of the Eritrea-Ethiopia border: http://allafrica.com/stories/200305270637.html Doug
       May 27, 2003 @ 17:39 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
10181. Re: tin bigha photos
       ... well i cant positively dangle photos but can recommend a remarkably scenic tin bigha word site http://www.hcidhaka.org/indbangla/tinbigha.html from whose
       May 27, 2003 @ 17:42 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10182. Camera on firu border crossing
       See at: http://www.tieh.fi/evideo.htm to see live sights from firu b-r crossing
       May 27, 2003 @ 20:58 - Artur Kroc ("Artur Kroc" <kroc@...>)
10183. CAUS border story - Pembina, North Dakota sector
       Here is the text of an article that appeared in the Grand Forks (North Dakota, USA) Herald on Feb 24, 2002 and the Winnipeg (Manitoba, Canada) Free Press on
       May 28, 2003 @ 05:44 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
10184. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Camera on firu border crossing
       But I think this camera must be located several kilometers from the actual border? Jan ... From: Artur Kroc [mailto:kroc@interia.pl] Sent: 27. mai 2003 23:59
       May 28, 2003 @ 06:32 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
10185. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: tin bigha photos
       Has somebody found the map at http://www.hcidhaka.org/indbangla/annexure1.html ? I am only getting a File not found-error... Jan ... From: acroorca2002
       May 28, 2003 @ 06:43 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
10186. longest undefended border waits to grow longer
       yanks actually threaten potheaded cnucks with haha a hahaha crackdown haha on caus hahahaha
       May 28, 2003 @ 16:14 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
10187. Re: Camera on firu border crossing
       ... from the actual ... but why do you think so jan perhaps you have personal knowledge that contradicts this but it looks to me as if artur is precisely on or
       May 28, 2003 @ 17:38 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10188. Re: [BoundaryPoint] longest undefended border waits to grow longer
       One toke over the line? ...
       May 28, 2003 @ 17:52 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
10189. Re: Eritrea-Ethiopia boundary demarcation article
       ... the mentioned 3 disputed areas are shown & described in http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/396571.stm but for outstanding questions also about the initial &
       May 28, 2003 @ 20:24 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10190. CAUS -- Joint Border Crossings? Not so fast!
       It sounds easy... and then all these laws get in the way! Darn it! Wednesday » May 28 » 2003 Smart border plan at risk over legalities   Bill Curry
       May 28, 2003 @ 21:24 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
10191. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Camera on firu border crossing
       I think so because I think I recall that this camera has been discussed in this list before. Further because I have been living next to the NOSU border and
       May 28, 2003 @ 22:32 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
10192. Re: CAUS -- Joint Border Crossings? Not so fast!
       ... were ... i know you have or had such high hopes of a joint facility for caus doug but realistically now wouldnt it be a lot easier to just hope both sides
       May 29, 2003 @ 00:36 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10193. Tin Bigha map
       Me too. I suspect it is a poor quality sketch map, as I have a copy of the original document in my files, and it was refenced in my thesis: *** Govt of India,
       May 29, 2003 @ 01:02 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
10194. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: [IBRG] Russia has ratificated the Lithuanian-Russian border treaty
       The Upper Chamber of the Russian parliament - The Federation Council yesterday with great majority ratified the border treaty with Lithuania. 132 senators
       May 29, 2003 @ 08:23 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
10195. Re: Tin Bigha map
       ... copy of the ... 6pp ... Dahagam-Angarpota, with an ... map used by ... particular, Roy ... newspaper ... the others in ... on the other hand if you can
       May 29, 2003 @ 18:54 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10196. Re: tin bigha photos
       ... smallest ... yikes 2 of these pillars are actually described as pillars on page 138 of the same article linked in the previous message
       May 29, 2003 @ 19:01 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10197. Re: Tin Bigha map
       my mistake & no shock at all as was already clear in message 2223 the global singularity isnt a counterclave but a countercounterclave of course
       May 29, 2003 @ 20:50 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10198. lake victoria tridominium is promised
       http://www.ippmedia.com/features/ft/2003/05/28/ft6.asp hmm these kenyans are looking as unrealistic as austrians expecting a full share of lake constance tho
       May 30, 2003 @ 02:43 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10199. worlds biggest & thirstiest border hub
       http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2940876.stm did that man actually say let them drink cerveza fortunately for us tho chnmtx is more fun when you dont
       May 30, 2003 @ 03:44 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10200. new bedenl smoke signals
       http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/world/sns-ap-netherlands-no-smoking,0,3737232.story?coll=ny%2Dworldnews%2Dheadlines
       May 30, 2003 @ 04:22 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
10201. Tin bigha map & photos
       Scans of a couple of maps and photos of the Tin Bigha corridor connecting Bangladesh to its enclave of Dahagram-Angarpota inside India, taken from my recent
       May 30, 2003 @ 05:08 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
10202. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Tin bigha map & photos
       Brendan, great!! Does it excist any photo of the corridor itself? About how big is then Tin bigha - 40 x 15 meters? And how sealed is this road - is there an
       May 30, 2003 @ 05:51 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
10203. US time zone borders
       US time zone borders do not follow state borders, and so I am interested in a good detailed map. I have sarched the net and only found schematic undetailed map
       May 30, 2003 @ 05:51 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10204. Re: [BoundaryPoint] US time zone borders
       Here s the world with lots of neat letters: http://aa.usno.navy.mil/faq/docs/world_tzones.html Pretty colours: http://www.travel.com.hk/region/timezone.htm
       May 30, 2003 @ 06:20 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
10205. RE: [BoundaryPoint] US time zone borders
       Jesper, Neither I did find any good map. It seems to floow the county borders. You will therefore for those states concerned need a map showing their counties.
       May 30, 2003 @ 07:22 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
10206. Re: [BoundaryPoint] US time zone borders
       No map. But a good table: http://www.mindspring.com/~gwil/tus.html Jesper ... From: Jan S. Krogh To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003
       May 30, 2003 @ 07:22 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10207. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tin bigha map & photos
       Yes, and the boundary pilars, too. Jesper ... From: Jan S. Krogh To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 7:51 AM Subject: RE:
       May 30, 2003 @ 12:08 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10208. Re: US time zone borders
       For those who thought crossing a time zone border was easy... http://www.thelastresortoutfitter.com/whitewaterrafting/pic-timezone- 1.htm (Somewhere on the
       May 30, 2003 @ 12:21 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
10209. Re: US time zone borders
       With respect to time zones in the USA, it is permitted here for localities to pass laws that change the local time, placing themselves as exclaves as though
       May 30, 2003 @ 13:10 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10210. Re: Tin bigha map & photos
       yes first bravissimos to all for spilling all these beautiful new data then please note that brendans depiction here of at least the 2 northerly corner pillars
       May 30, 2003 @ 13:22 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10211. International Time Zone Outtasynchronicities
       Is the greatest time difference in neighbouring time zones between Afghanistan and China (i.e., 3.5 hours)? In my travels throughout Arctic Norway, Finland and
       May 30, 2003 @ 13:35 - Craig ("Craig" <trehala@...>)
10212. Re: US time zone borders
       glad to see you weighing back in on this good old question peter & delighted by your new finds & observations too clearly not only states but counties too can
       May 30, 2003 @ 14:01 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10213. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: US time zone borders
       I was looking for a time zone divided town in America, but didn t find anything yet. Maybe somebody else already did look for the same? Jesper ... From:
       May 30, 2003 @ 14:30 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10214. Re: International Time Zone Outtasynchronicities
       ... between ... spectacular discovery craig & i dont think such an extremity is even remotely approached anywhere in the normal world yet larger changes occur
       May 30, 2003 @ 14:51 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10215. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: US time zone borders
       college corner, ohio, indiana. don t know if being in different states means they are different towns?? : ) http://www.lyndonirwin.com/ccorner.htm bob ...
       May 30, 2003 @ 14:57 - Beckett, Bob ("Beckett, Bob" <bob.beckett@...>)
10216. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: International Time Zone Outtasynchronicities
       Remember timezone tps? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/5131 Jesper ... From: acroorca2002 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday,
       May 30, 2003 @ 15:01 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10217. Re: US time zone borders
       ahh no this is a novel quest here all right yet i think it may prove quixotic or at least very difficult to fulfill because all the zone deviations that do
       May 30, 2003 @ 15:15 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10218. Re: International Time Zone Outtasynchronicities
       hahahaha yes good point decorating all these tries with at least a whiff of tripointing aroma but i think bob was the first to lasso a real tripoint there the
       May 30, 2003 @ 15:35 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10219. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: US time zone borders
       No, the same town cannot be in two states. It must be separate municipal incorporations, although considered one market area. Although there are examples of a
       May 30, 2003 @ 16:17 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
10220. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: US time zone borders
       I have never heard of this variation. Out of curiosity, what are the names of these California towns that are in different time zones (or remain on standard
       May 30, 2003 @ 16:19 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
10221. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: International Time Zone Outtasynchronicities
       College Corner wondefull place just what is was looking for isn t even the railway station in two time zones?
       May 30, 2003 @ 16:18 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10222. Re: US time zone borders
       ... interested in ... Try this link; US map showing all state and county boundaries with time zone boundaries in red.
       May 30, 2003 @ 16:20 - flynnrmn ("flynnrmn" <flynnk@...>)
10223. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: US time zone borders
       Well, Velke Slemence/Mai Selmenci on SKUA is a divided village 1 hour appart. In fact they appeared years and worlds appart. Offcourse today they do not form a
       May 30, 2003 @ 16:27 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
10224. Re: International Time Zone Outtasynchronicities
       railroads are careful to distinguish time zones in fact it was railroads that made the time zones in the first place so you can pretty well bet the station
       May 30, 2003 @ 17:21 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10225. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: International Time Zone Outtasynchronicities
       Some weirdness in Lloydminster, Saskatchewan/Alberta... along with other pockets of prairie resistance!
       May 30, 2003 @ 17:22 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
10226. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: International Time Zone Outtasynchronicities
       And even the school is time zone divided. Jesper ... From: acroorca2002 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 7:21 PM Subject:
       May 30, 2003 @ 19:36 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10227. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: International Time Zone Outtasynchronicities
       The church on CC: http://www.collegecorner.org/templates/con12bl/default.asp?id=24330 I also think CC is great as it a longitude border line. Jesper ... From:
       May 30, 2003 @ 19:43 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10228. Re: International Time Zone Outtasynchronicities
       yes thats exactly what i mean those weirdo time zoner pocket watchers are in resistance to the prairie itself & its timeless boundless endless presence there
       May 30, 2003 @ 19:57 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10229. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: International Time Zone Outtasynchronicit ies
       This makes sense for Lloydminster, though, to be on Mountain Time as it borders Alberta which is on it. It s not an enclave but a bump. ... From: acroorca2002
       May 30, 2003 @ 20:19 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
10230. Fw: College Corner
       Ariel photo of the tricounty point in College Corner. The state line is quite easy to spot. Jesper A MapQuest map has been sent to you by jesniel@image.dk. To
       May 30, 2003 @ 20:07 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10231. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: International Time Zone Outtasynchronicities
       Probably pot smokers too!! ... ... Doug Murray Doug Murray Productions / Border Films CBC Infomatrix / CBC POV Sports Vancouver, BC
       May 30, 2003 @ 20:30 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
10232. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: International Time Zone Outtasynchronicit ies
       They grow big border markers in Lloydminster: http://www.lloydminsterinfo.com/border.htm ... ... Doug Murray Doug Murray Productions / Border
       May 30, 2003 @ 20:46 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
10233. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: International Time Zone Outtasynchronicit ies
       Are they direct or indirect? Jesper ... From: Doug Murray To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint]
       May 30, 2003 @ 20:50 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10234. The latest searches
       Now I m trying to find photos of border markers between Canadian provinces. I remember seeing a Saskatchewan - Manitoba one when near my grandparents farm a
       May 30, 2003 @ 20:57 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
10235. Quebec - Newfoundland and Labrador
       The link: http://www.gov.nf.ca/nfmuseum/images/ bordersurveymarkerblancsablonjuly112002.jpg Doug Murray Doug Murray Productions / Border Films CBC Infomatrix /
       May 30, 2003 @ 20:58 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
10236. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: International Time Zone Outtasynchronicit ies
       What do you mean? Directly on the actual line? ... ... ... ... ... Doug Murray Doug Murray Productions /
       May 30, 2003 @ 21:00 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
10237. Re: Fw: College Corner
       yikes the state line is by chance quite easy to spot but the tricounty point is quite impossible to spot owing to the bum link but try this
       May 30, 2003 @ 21:25 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10238. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: International Time Zone Outtasynchronicit ies
       Yes, Is the roadside the border of mid road? ... From: Doug Murray To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 11:00 PM Subject: Re:
       May 30, 2003 @ 21:30 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10239. Re: International Time Zone Outtasynchronicities
       not sure what you mean here by longitude border line nor why you are so enthused by it tho in such a case the end certainly justifies the means & it is true
       May 30, 2003 @ 22:02 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10240. Re: Quebec - Newfoundland and Labrador
       actually i am a little surprised newfoundland is even presenting this marker as a border marker since it isnt really a border survey marker at all but only a
       May 30, 2003 @ 23:05 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10241. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: International Time Zone Outtasynchronicit ies
       Jesper: On the City of Lloydminster website ( http://www.lloydminsterinfo.com/attract.htm ) , the following is posted: The Border Marker Promenade Walk
       May 30, 2003 @ 23:45 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
10242. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Quebec - Newfoundland and Labrador
       Doug - Not sure where I found these, but ran across them awhile back... -Mike ... name=bidlogo.jpg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo!
       May 30, 2003 @ 23:55 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@yahoo.com>)
10243. maritime boundaries
       ... Brendan
       May 31, 2003 @ 00:17 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@unimelb.edu.au>)
10244. Tin Bigha
       It s 178x85m, as agreed in the 1974 land boundary agreement posted on the Indian High commission in Dhaka website. http://www.hcidhaka.org/indbangla/list.html
       May 31, 2003 @ 00:36 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
10245. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Quebec - Newfoundland and Labrador
       Great Pics, Mike. The pinkish one looks exactly like the marker I remember from near my grandparents farm. That marker was located on Thunderhill. The MB-SK
       May 31, 2003 @ 00:50 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
10246. More about the Lloydminster Border Marker Towers
       This news article says they re gone: http://www.marnieko.com/towers.htm (dated Sept 10, 2001) But I would think that they are back if the Lloydminster city
       May 31, 2003 @ 00:59 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
10247. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Quebec - Newfoundland and Labrador
       Good thing you attached the map - I recognized the place name Flin Flon and I am relatively certain the marker pictures I posted came from here. Flin Flon
       May 31, 2003 @ 01:24 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
10248. Re: More about the Lloydminster Border Marker Towers
       http://www.bigthings.ca/alberta/lloyd.html makes it official & clear i think that the towers were only fanciful depictions of the actual border which evidently
       May 31, 2003 @ 01:42 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10249. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Quebec - Newfoundland and Labrador
       I have been to Flin Flon -- way way way back in my own history. I recall little except for an A & W that served Great, great, great, Grandpa burgers. In my
       May 31, 2003 @ 01:54 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
10250. mbsk
       ahh then doug you have placed your grandparents right next to one of the most mysterious lines on the face of the earth the crazy stairstepping mbsk line you
       May 31, 2003 @ 02:09 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10251. canfqc on labrador quebec coast class b
       the attached pic needs some help we are at the foot of the cliff now pretty much due south but also just a few meters west of where doug found his vertical
       May 31, 2003 @ 02:49 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@hotmail.com>)
10252. Re: [BoundaryPoint] mbsk
       I m sure that that is the case -- that they appear at each turning point. Having grown up in Manitoba, I noticed that highways (minor ones) would also take
       May 31, 2003 @ 04:14 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
10253. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: More about the Lloydminster Border Marker Towers
       Here s a site that is takes you right to the border in Lloydminister: http://albertaroads.homestead.com/hwy16e5.html ... ... Doug Murray Doug
       May 31, 2003 @ 04:19 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
10254. Library in noman's land
       http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20030331/UBORDN/ TPNational/Canada We know the place, but still. Jesper
       May 31, 2003 @ 13:32 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10255. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: US time zone borders
       Niles MI and South Bend IN are, for practical purposes, one city. US 31 between them is an almost unbroken commercial strip, and many people live in Niles
       May 31, 2003 @ 13:48 - Tom Sanders (Tom Sanders <hilversum96@...>)
10256. Re: Library in noman's land
       well yes it is just more rehashing of the endless permutations of border misery only in our familiar happy place but worth it anyway since the huge news here
       May 31, 2003 @ 15:09 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10257. Re: mbsk
       yes indeed the curvature of the earth wreaks havoc with the grids & we have similar corrections all over the usa only they are smaller & fewer here because of
       May 31, 2003 @ 15:45 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10258. canadian road allowances
       another reason canadian roads jog about so much & are indeed often centered right on borders is what is called the road allowance a peculiarly homegrown
       May 31, 2003 @ 17:40 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10259. FW: [BoundaryPoint] CAUS border story - Pembina, North Dakota sector
       Doug s posting of the story from the Winnipeg Free Press, reminded me of Aug 1988 when Clark Hall and I were at this border location. Our objective was the low
       Jun 01, 2003 @ 01:59 - jparsell ("jparsell" <jparsell@northnet.org>)
10260. China-Vietnam
       News stories: http://www.mofa.gov.vn:8080/Web%20server/LDBNG.nsf/0/679288824bc1bd1fc7256bf 7000a1bc5?OpenDocument
       Jun 01, 2003 @ 13:23 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10261. Re: FW: [BoundaryPoint] CAUS border story - Pembina, North Dakota sector
       jack ... road runs ... remember any ... in front of ... map shows ... found at the end ... based on the coords given by the ibc at
       Jun 01, 2003 @ 14:12 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10262. Re: China-Vietnam
       ... http://www.mofa.gov.vn:8080/Web%20server/LDBNG.nsf/0/6792 88824bc1bd1fc7256bf ... was ... 2000) ... demarcated. ... yes this is a typical but very thorough
       Jun 01, 2003 @ 14:55 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10263. Microstates
       http://www.geocities.com/capitolhill/5829/LIST.html
       Oct 01, 2002 @ 15:01 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10264. Re: maritime boundaries
       ... Hydrographic Office ... coastline. I have ... nice to see all the territorial sea underclaims in one roundup & weird enough to discover such territorial
       Jun 01, 2003 @ 15:09 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10265. Re: Microstates
       ... what savory little morsels inspiring abnura the tripoint of absurdistan & nutopia with rastafari
       Jun 01, 2003 @ 15:49 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10266. Re: maritime boundaries
       ... somalia ... pole yes its true & no mistake all 10 abovementioned territorial sea claims are for real per http://www.un.org/Depts/los/LEGISLATIONANDTREATIES
       Jun 01, 2003 @ 21:02 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10267. Re: maritime boundaries
       ... by ... mouth ... itself ... law ... 200nm ... behaviors ... too & have no care for the usa is here to save the day for everyones land with
       Jun 01, 2003 @ 22:43 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10268. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: China-Vietnam
       Dear Jesper: There had been numerous problems, including military incursions beginning in 1974 and a 1979 border war, along the China-Vietnam land boundary,
       Jun 02, 2003 @ 17:20 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10269. road center borders in the news but why
       http://www.texarkanagazette.com/articles/2003/06/01/news/news03.txt where even the associated tripoint gets mentioned tho the ana part of texarkana is frankly
       Jun 02, 2003 @ 22:26 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
10270. british columbian drugging surpasses colombian
       http://www.twincities.com/mld/pioneerpress/5993465.htm a little offpoint but theres not much regular tripointing news today i did however pursue the elusive
       Jun 03, 2003 @ 02:06 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10271. Topozone and borders
       Is it the fear of border terrorism that has removed borders from Topozone?: Derby Line, VT: http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=45.005&lon=-72.09944 Point
       Jun 03, 2003 @ 04:16 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10272. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Topozone and borders
       Canada doesn t exist. It s all a big ploy! We re actually known as Darkland... ...
       Jun 03, 2003 @ 04:34 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
10273. From borderpoint to pizzaplace
       http://www.arnholm.nu/~bosse/trip/placesb.htm
       Jun 03, 2003 @ 05:41 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10274. Re: [BoundaryPoint] From borderpoint to pizzaplace
       I wonder if any Soviet zone poles exist: http://www.grenzer.com/Bordmain.htm ...
       Jun 03, 2003 @ 06:13 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
10275. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Topozone and borders
       red lake link is still working http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=15&n=5446329&e=350032&s=200&size=l regards, chris ... From: Jesper Nielsen To:
       Jun 03, 2003 @ 10:53 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
10276. Re: Topozone and borders
       ah so canada exists after all actually topozone has been cropping most tho not all of not only canada but mexico too ever since they came on line offering caus
       Jun 03, 2003 @ 12:54 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10277. Re: From borderpoint to pizzaplace
       ... hahaha after what they did to the freakin wall i doubt anything soviet still exists & just to put all these data in meaningful perspective by the
       Jun 03, 2003 @ 13:23 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10278. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Topozone and borders
       ... Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Topozone and borders Jesper, Try these: Derby Line, VT: http://test.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=45.005&lon=-72.1&datum=NAD83 Point
       Jun 03, 2003 @ 16:20 - jparsell ("jparsell" <jparsell@...>)
10279. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: From borderpoint to pizzaplace
       Unfortunately it does: 1. Kaliningrad. Yesterday the city, named after a Bolshevik who actually never was there, was denied by Mr. Putin to plan its
       Jun 03, 2003 @ 20:27 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
10280. T-shirts
       This is a cute story on that ultimate collectable... http://www.naplesnews.com/03/04/travel/d899327a.htm I love the picture of the t-shirts in Moscow. I
       Jun 03, 2003 @ 21:37 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
10281. Re: T-shirts
       good point tee shirts naturally suit tee junctions & tripoints etc to a tee
       Jun 03, 2003 @ 23:13 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10282. Re: From borderpoint to pizzaplace
       hey cmon cheer up this was only an east german pizza ... actually ... (Königsberg s) 750th ... old» (of the
       Jun 03, 2003 @ 23:16 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10283. Re: Topozone and borders
       wow great redemption how did you manage that ... http://test.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=45.005&lon=-72.1&datum =NAD83 ...
       Jun 03, 2003 @ 23:19 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10284. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: T-shirts
       Right you are! Perhaps we need to make a line of Tripoint T s I see that BP has 201 members now. A tp-shirt for everyone? Doug ...
       Jun 04, 2003 @ 01:07 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
10285. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Topozone and borders
       ... Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Topozone and borders If you use the old standby Topozone address: http://www.topozone.com/findplace.asp you will get NAD27
       Jun 04, 2003 @ 03:31 - jparsell ("jparsell" <jparsell@...>)
10286. RE: [BoundaryPoint] From borderpoint to pizzaplace
       At least they are making hamburgers there... Jan ... From: Jesper Nielsen [mailto:jesniel@image.dk] Sent: 3. juni 2003 08:42 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
       Jun 04, 2003 @ 10:08 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@takas.lt>)
10287. Re: T-shirts
       well i figure our quasiofficial population number of 201 must be about 20 percent inflated in reality owing to numerous duplicate & multiple memberships but
       Jun 04, 2003 @ 14:21 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10288. Re: Topozone and borders
       thanx & congrats thats a multiple improvement over the old one & even more so if used in conjunction with the old one ...
       Jun 04, 2003 @ 14:30 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10289. yikes bwnazmzw is getting a bridge
       2 scrolls down http://www.gov.bw/cgi-bin/news.cgi?d=20030603 under the subhead negotiations with zim stall kazungula bridge contract note that the apparent
       Jun 04, 2003 @ 17:23 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10290. St Maarten
       Does anyone have a 1:25,000 topo map of St Martin/Maarten? I spend a couple of weeks there last month and took lots of pictures of the border. I only have
       Jun 04, 2003 @ 17:52 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
10291. Re: St Maarten
       wow flash us your 50k map too if you would it would be the best we have yet seen here good maps & treaty texts have both been very elusive did you see any more
       Jun 04, 2003 @ 18:46 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10292. Re: [BoundaryPoint] particular mexican spots
       ... From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:28 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] particular mexican spots ...
       Jun 04, 2003 @ 19:07 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@aaahawk.com>)
10293. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: St Maarten
       Yes, actually there are now two big border monuments on the two main roads, and the border IS actually marked by a small stone wall almost the entire width of
       Jun 04, 2003 @ 20:55 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
10294. Re: particular mexican spots
       john welcome back & well done ... you ... ahh yes i would but between monterrey & laredo rather than saltillo which i gather must be what you meant & it jogs
       Jun 04, 2003 @ 21:33 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10295. Re: [BoundaryPoint] St Maarten
       St MaartenI once emailed St. Martin s tourist office asking them for a detailed map showing the exact border. I the reply they asked What border? Jesper ...
       Jun 04, 2003 @ 21:38 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10296. canadian time zone rebels
       here s a link to an interesting article i read a few yrs ago. http://www.canadiangeographic.ca/Magazine/SO98/geomap.asp thanks to doug murray in b.c. for
       Jun 05, 2003 @ 02:45 - timothykiser ("timothykiser" <timothykiser@...>)
10297. Re: [BoundaryPoint] canadian road allowances
       Some north-south local roads in Michigan also have bends in them where they cross county lines. Others have smaller bends where they cross township lines. I
       Jun 05, 2003 @ 02:48 - Tom Sanders (Tom Sanders <hilversum96@...>)
10298. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: St Maarten
       Hi, I was told i a mail, that at least there has been one enclave. maybe it still exists. the information was very pure, nothing beside, what i told now. do
       Jun 05, 2003 @ 05:10 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
10299. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: St Maarten
       According to the 1:50000 topographic map, there appears to be a pene-exclave on St Martin, and the monument I saw very much resembled a border marker. I ll
       Jun 05, 2003 @ 05:14 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
10300. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: International Time Zone Outtasynchronicities
       Tadjikistan - Afghanistan - China Extreme timezone tp apparently marked http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/EART/tajikistan/100k/10-43-102.jpg Jesper -- Quick guide to
       Jun 05, 2003 @ 07:25 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10301. Old international quadropoint
       http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/EART/kuwait/100k/H38-106.jpg Kuwait - Iraq - Saudi Arabia - Neutral Zone
       Jun 05, 2003 @ 08:15 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10302. Re: St Maarten
       Where might this pene be? The border is curcy, but fairly straight, leaving little chance for there to be other than an isolated tip of land forming
       Jun 05, 2003 @ 13:08 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10303. Re: St Maarten
       At my local map seller s, I found the new 2003 catalogue of the French IGN. Apparently, they have a 1:25000 map of St. Martin/St. Maarten and St. Barthelemy.
       Jun 05, 2003 @ 13:49 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
10304. Re: International Time Zone Outtasynchronicities
       tho technically outta time let me take a moment to focus on some common delusions about it to begin with time like physical matter only moreso has no
       Jun 05, 2003 @ 14:25 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10305. Re: St Maarten
       while everyone is still fluffing around with all these elusive 25k & even elusive 50k maps & just in case anyone wants to see what the conversation has been
       Jun 05, 2003 @ 15:47 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10306. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: St Maarten
       Peter, Can you make this part of your collection? I wouldn t mind having one either. Dallen ... From: Peter Smaardijk [mailto:smaardijk@yahoo.com] Sent:
       Jun 05, 2003 @ 15:55 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
10307. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: St Maarten
       Right, no pure enclaves, but if the tip of the small peninsula is only connected to the motherland then it forms a pene-enclave. There is no longer a welcome
       Jun 05, 2003 @ 15:54 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
10308. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: St Maarten
       Sorry, the first sentence was meant to read ...but if the tip of the small peninsula is only connected to the motherland by water, then it forms... ...
       Jun 05, 2003 @ 16:00 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
10309. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: St Maarten
       While the nice online map we all enjoy shows the border going through the small island in the lagoon, according to the 1:50000 topographic map the island is
       Jun 05, 2003 @ 16:04 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
10310. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: St Maarten
       Are there only three border-crossings ? No small roads across? Jesper ... From: acroorca2002 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003
       Jun 05, 2003 @ 16:32 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10311. Re: St Maarten
       actually this map which turns out to be about 48k scale on my computer screen is maybe not so bad after all & it shows 4 credible road crossings as well as
       Jun 05, 2003 @ 17:07 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10312. Re: particular mexican spots
       another corroboration tho perhaps not yet a clear sighting of a mexican state line marker occurred in message 5061 at chso & it is interesting as well as
       Jun 05, 2003 @ 16:42 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10313. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Topozone and borders
       Thanks Jack Does anybody have a picture of the bordermarker at the coast W of no # 1?
       Jun 05, 2003 @ 17:36 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10314. Re: St Maarten
       http://www.gobeach.com/sxmmap.htm
       Jun 05, 2003 @ 18:37 - Artur Kroc ("Artur Kroc" <kroc@...>)
10315. Re: St Maarten
       Re: your text below. In the case of this peninsula, it isn t connected to the motherland (at least not by dry land border). Without that, does it qualify as
       Jun 05, 2003 @ 18:51 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10316. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: St Maarten
       There are actually four main road crossings, and several dirt tracks crossing as well, but the only marking on the smaller paths is the stone wall. ... From:
       Jun 05, 2003 @ 18:20 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
10317. Re: Topozone and borders
       the ibc calls it monument 0 in http://www.internationalboundarycommission.org/coordinates/S ECT-M-83.txt & i believe we have seen pix of a tall pole rising
       Jun 05, 2003 @ 19:24 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10318. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Topozone and borders
       I just sent a note to the IBC to find out the answer and if they might have a picture. I also asked if any maintenance was scheduled for the BC/Washington
       Jun 05, 2003 @ 19:40 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
10319. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Topozone and borders
       Hi Doug (mr Point Roberts expert) You don t have the photo of the point? Jesper ... From: Doug Murray To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June
       Jun 05, 2003 @ 19:43 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10320. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Topozone and borders
       This must be number 1, looking towards 0. http://www.geocities.com/mafiapetedk/usca6.html Jesper ... From: Doug Murray To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent:
       Jun 05, 2003 @ 19:45 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10321. Re: St Maarten
       couldnt follow you as usual len but i agree with your conclusion as this was all dead in the water before it began & we have long since observed the futility &
       Jun 05, 2003 @ 19:56 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10322. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: particular mexican spots
       ... From: acroorca2002 To: Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 4:33 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: particular
       Jun 05, 2003 @ 20:06 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@aaahawk.com>)
10323. Re: Topozone and borders
       this is probably number 5 or 5a remember we are in blaine now port roberts is way off on the horizon you can compare the ibc geocoords to the topozone topos
       Jun 05, 2003 @ 20:18 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10324. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Topozone and borders
       Offcourse, I thought it was taken IN Point Roberts. Jesper ... From: acroorca2002 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 10:18 PM
       Jun 05, 2003 @ 20:24 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10325. Re: particular mexican spots
       john ... venture out to Saltillo, though I considered it. understood & wonderful in any case ... period as the DoI of Mexico, so perhaps the state lines have
       Jun 05, 2003 @ 20:41 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10326. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: International Time Zone Outtasynchronicities
       Working quite fine for me. Jesper ... From: acroorca2002 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 4:25 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re:
       Jun 05, 2003 @ 20:44 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10327. Topomaps of entire Afghanistan-China 1:100 000
       AFCN: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/EART/tajikistan/100k/10-43-102.jpg http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/EART/tajikistan/100k/10-43-101.jpg Only crossing is on 101 Can
       Jun 05, 2003 @ 21:05 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10328. re new afcntj or old afcnsu map
       this map actually comes as a bit of a shock since the tripoint has long been placed by the state department & others at the summit of mt povalo shveikovski aka
       Jun 05, 2003 @ 21:05 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10329. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: St Maarten
       This may be the semantic case, but the traditional geopolitical use of pene-exclave has always included those that are connected to the motherland by water as
       Jun 05, 2003 @ 21:13 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
10330. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: particular mexican spots
       ... From: acroorca2002 To: Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 3:41 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: particular
       Jun 05, 2003 @ 21:18 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
10331. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: St Maarten
       Well, I loke very much forward to seeing your photos. Jesper ... From: Dallen Timothy To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 8:20 PM
       Jun 05, 2003 @ 19:28 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10332. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Topozone and borders
       Could this be: MONUMENT 0 49 00 08.027 123 05 21.797 I have never been down to that side of Point Roberts. #1 is located on a high bluff
       Jun 05, 2003 @ 19:27 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
10333. Re: Old international quadropoint
       yes translations for the russian phrases sandwiching the tripoint here too please er i mean the former tricountry quadripoint & good thing we dont have to
       Jun 05, 2003 @ 22:19 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10334. Re: St Maarten
       Even with the correction, I disagree, citing again, my Michigan example in my previous message. Do you consider the French island of Corsica to be an exclave
       Jun 05, 2003 @ 19:02 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10335. Re: Topozone and borders
       yes it must be ibc monument 0 0 as in zero & please you are such a kidder but monument 1 could not be monument 2 etc etc also it turns out that the tall
       Jun 06, 2003 @ 00:20 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10336. Re: St Maarten
       ... definition of ... yes maybe you do len
       Jun 06, 2003 @ 00:39 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10337. Re: International Time Zone Outtasynchronicities
       ... good thats all that matters so forget what i said if you havent already
       Jun 06, 2003 @ 00:28 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10338. pene enclaves
       A pene enclave is one that is accessible only (or most easily) from another country, but is physically connected to the motherland, even if only by a point (as
       Jun 06, 2003 @ 01:11 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
10339. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Topozone and borders
       All my photos are here: http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Cabana/9282/pointroberts1.html And I will try and get over there on the weekend. With the
       Jun 06, 2003 @ 03:35 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
10340. Re: pene enclaves
       excuse me brendan i realize you can probably hold this line at a clavologists convention thanx to catudal & robinson & all the other gods who may have put
       Jun 06, 2003 @ 03:53 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10341. Re: [BoundaryPoint] St Maarten
       Hi Len, ... It s actually in the Irish Sea. The Bristol Channel is further south. With respect to being a (pene-)enclave or not, it s not actually part of the
       Jun 06, 2003 @ 06:28 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
10342. Re: re new afcntj or old afcnsu map
       Here is an article about Tien Shan mountains, fargment I tried to translate: http://www.risk.ru/rus/regions/tienshan/index/ Tien Shan mountains Tien Shan is a
       Jun 06, 2003 @ 10:29 - Artur Kroc ("Artur Kroc" <kroc@...>)
10343. Re: Topozone and borders
       well doug i was sure someone could beam up the tall units which turned out to be me unwittingly pointing to your very own pix of them once again & these beacon
       Jun 06, 2003 @ 11:51 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10344. Re: re new afcntj or old afcnsu map
       thanx artur you have clearly hit the china kazakh kirghiz triarea here & possibly also as far southwest as the china kirghiz tajik area since this tien shan
       Jun 06, 2003 @ 12:43 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10345. Answers from the IBC
       Hello all: The following email just arrived from the IBC. My comments follow! Doug Dear Mr. Murray, Your request for information was forwarded to my
       Jun 06, 2003 @ 20:27 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
10346. Re: Answers from the IBC
       Thanks Doug! More below. ... provided ... length ... water ... described as ... is ... Westerly ... There ... islet . ... Well... we could. I think that we
       Jun 06, 2003 @ 20:42 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
10347. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Answers from the IBC
       Perhaps I should work for the IBC! ... ... Doug Murray Productions 1211 Cotton Drive Vancouver BC
       Jun 06, 2003 @ 20:45 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
10348. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Answers from the IBC
       DMBC? ... From: Doug Murray To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 10:45 PM Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Answers from the IBC
       Jun 06, 2003 @ 21:10 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10349. Trip Report: USGS Headquarters
       On May 20th, I became a home owner when I purchase a condominium in Reston, Virginia. On my numerous trips from my old apartment to my new condo moving my
       Jun 06, 2003 @ 22:03 - Andrew T. Patton ("Andrew T. Patton" <andrew@...>)
10350. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Trip Report: USGS Headquarters
       The only other USGS map store is located minutes from my house, in suburban Denver CO. I frequent the place but had never seen this computerized
       Jun 06, 2003 @ 22:57 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
10351. Re: Answers from the IBC
       multibravos & multikudos doug & a fantastic first multibirthday present for bp more partying comments below ... boundary ... he provided ... mile length ...
       Jun 06, 2003 @ 23:13 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10352. Re: St Maarten
       Hi. Oh. It s Lundy that is in the Bristol channel. Thinking about Man as a distinct entity not part of the UK, it could take the place of Ireland in my
       Jun 07, 2003 @ 00:28 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10353. monuments 0 & 1
       correction below ... The ... INT.BDRY. ... is ... bloops i meant the opposite of course & no need to ask because monument 1 dates from 1865 so monument 0 was
       Jun 07, 2003 @ 00:42 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10354. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: particular mexican spots
       Final photo 05/28 International Bridge II seen to east from CIETV
       Jun 07, 2003 @ 03:01 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@aaahawk.com>)
10355. Grand Slam - "New" Neutral Zone & Quadpoint
       Greetings, I just created a new album in the Photos database, entitled Neutral Zones . I populated it with two Korean military maps. On the Han River, from
       Jun 07, 2003 @ 03:09 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10356. great st. maarten/st. martin pics!
       with all the recent talk of st. maarten (map in message #10305), i found this great site. two pics show a decent view of the two border areas in question. if
       Jun 07, 2003 @ 03:23 - timothykiser ("timothykiser" <timothykiser@...>)
10357. Re: Grand Slam - "New" Neutral Zone & Quadpoint
       ... Neutral ... Zone s ... wait len china is totally in foul territory so you cant mean china & the bases werent loaded anyway but i agree you are out of the
       Jun 07, 2003 @ 09:05 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10358. Re: particular mexican spots
       ... dont forget the pic of the nuevo leon tamaulipas state line marker still gotta see that
       Jun 07, 2003 @ 09:10 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10359. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: particular mexican spots
       OK, I just got them developed yesterday. I still needed to take the rest of the pics on that roll before I could. Will try to scan and post them today. ...
       Jun 07, 2003 @ 09:44 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
10360. yikes the whole bp sandcastle is moving
       incredible our first multibirthday party has evidently been shaking so hard now for so long that almost the entire bp message board playscape has suddenly
       Jun 07, 2003 @ 14:14 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
10361. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Topomap: EELVRU
       ... Thank you for your interest in Estonian international borders. Initial position of Estonian-Latvian border was defined by a protocol issued by border
       Jun 07, 2003 @ 15:28 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
10362. Re: Grand Slam - "New" Neutral Zone & Quadpoint
       Thanks for the humorous and interesting reply. Re: it is still real dmz tho as far as both shores, and ... It s clear to me from both the government maps
       Jun 07, 2003 @ 15:43 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10363. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Answers from the IBC
       What s that? Doug Murray Boundary Commission? ... ... Doug Murray Productions 1211 Cotton Drive Vancouver BC
       Jun 07, 2003 @ 17:18 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
10364. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Answers from the IBC
       Yep ... From: Doug Murray To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Answers from the IBC What s
       Jun 07, 2003 @ 18:05 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10365. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Answers from the IBC
       Why not IBRG? ... From: Jesper Nielsen [mailto:jesniel@image.dk] Sent: 7. juni 2003 21:06 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re:
       Jun 07, 2003 @ 18:17 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
10366. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
       Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File :
       Jun 07, 2003 @ 23:49 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com (BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com )
10367. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
       Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File :
       Jun 07, 2003 @ 23:57 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com (BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com )
10368. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
       Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File :
       Jun 08, 2003 @ 00:01 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com (BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com )
10369. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
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       Jun 08, 2003 @ 00:10 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com (BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com )
10370. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
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       Jun 08, 2003 @ 00:18 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com (BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com )
10371. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
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       Jun 08, 2003 @ 00:21 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com (BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com )
10372. nuevo leon tamaulipas
       ... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/files/mexico/crop0 002.jpg aka the pic in message 10367 plus its mate in 10366 thanxx for all john & especially
       Jun 08, 2003 @ 14:24 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10373. DK3l
       Lowest Danish municipality tripoint. Around -3/-4 meters. Dragsholm-Holbæk-Svinninge Jesper
       Jun 08, 2003 @ 14:41 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
10374. Re: [BoundaryPoint] DK3l
       And if it looks like to border is cutting through the house, you are right. Jesper ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday,
       Jun 08, 2003 @ 14:47 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
10375. Re: DK3l
       extremely novel 3 as in tertiary & tripoint & l as in lowest & laffs will you be going for dk3h too or how about the full dk3 news tour
       Jun 08, 2003 @ 14:56 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10376. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: DK3l
       Well, we have a new border freak here in Denmark, who likes these municipality borders more than me, and when I told him of dk3l he went there almost
       Jun 08, 2003 @ 15:20 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10377. Re: [BoundaryPoint] nuevo leon tamaulipas
       ... From: acroorca2002 To: Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 9:24 AM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] nuevo leon
       Jun 08, 2003 @ 15:35 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
10378. Re: Topomap: EELVRU
       yes it does seem likely that the kudedi or kudepi is the same as the laykchne in which case monument 1 stands between & just above its confluence with the
       Jun 08, 2003 @ 16:02 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10379. Hancok, MD
       Has anybody ever been to Hancock? This narrow part of Maryland. http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=17&n=4399157&e=743265 Jesper
       Jun 08, 2003 @ 16:09 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10380. correction Re: Topomap: EELVRU
       yikes got my brain crossed i meant east east is right bank east east east east anyway you know what i mean ... as ... east east east ... by ... east east east
       Jun 08, 2003 @ 16:12 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10381. Re: Hancok, MD
       yes many of us have as it is on a major corridor but what do you want to know ... http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=17&n=4399157&e=74326 5
       Jun 08, 2003 @ 16:15 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10382. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Hancok, MD
       Not much really. I saw just this curiosity on a large scale map. Jesper ... From: acroorca2002 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003
       Jun 08, 2003 @ 16:17 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10383. Large/Small scale map
       What is what? What scale is it when you zoom out and see few details? Jesper
       Jun 08, 2003 @ 16:18 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10384. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Topomap: EELVRU
       Since Russia had not yet rattified the border, the tripoint is not yet defined and so they can only start restoring the EELV border NEAR the tripoint. And
       Jun 08, 2003 @ 16:19 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10385. Re: nuevo leon tamaulipas
       ... thing at ... it did seem to be something that was part of the sign (at least the ... ok thats still very good tho because it means we can start looking for
       Jun 08, 2003 @ 16:31 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10386. Re: Topomap: EELVRU
       well there evidently was a definite tripoint of the soviet republics which may or may not be correctly indicated on your soviet map but if this tripoint can be
       Jun 08, 2003 @ 16:55 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10387. Re: Large/Small scale map
       i believe the size of the scale itself is what is meant rather than the size of the area or objects shown thus a 100000 to 1 scale map would be a larger scale
       Jun 08, 2003 @ 17:06 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10388. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Hancok, MD
       Yes, I drive through Hancock quite regularly. Hancock is a fun destination for roadgeeks as well (of whom I am one) because it s the location of one of the
       Jun 08, 2003 @ 18:01 - Brendan (Brendan <pit.hokie@...>)
10389. correction Re: Topomap: EELVRU
       another correction effectively reversing the previous correction & everything else previously guessed as well for as i just realized the pededze flows not
       Jun 08, 2003 @ 18:02 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10390. Re: Hancok, MD
       ... destination ... location of one ... segments in the ... for the very shortest such consider http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=13&n=4041216&e=67516 8&s=25
       Jun 08, 2003 @ 18:46 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10391. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: DK3l
       I popped the question to a newsgroup, and somebody had the right tools for the answer: Rønnede / Holmegaard / Fladså: 108 meter. Enclosed map and photos.
       Jun 08, 2003 @ 18:58 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
10392. Re: Grand Slam - "New" Neutral Zone & Quadpoint
       ... that ... paragraph ... preceding ... you are welcome i was joking in earnest & you may be clear indeed i wish you would be clear but the text of the
       Jun 08, 2003 @ 19:41 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10393. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Topomap: EELVRU
       
       Jun 08, 2003 @ 19:43 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@interia.pl>)
10394. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Hancok, MD
       Great find, Michael! Although further viewing leads me to believe that this road remains in New Mexico the whole time. Not to get too off-topic, but US 340,
       Jun 08, 2003 @ 19:47 - Brendan (Brendan <pit.hokie@...>)
10395. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Topomap: EELVRU
       Where does Kupedi/Kudepe go after passing Zaiceva? Does it really flow to EELVRU? Unfortunately it s ouside my map. Attached another map. Jesper ... From:
       Jun 08, 2003 @ 19:56 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
10396. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Hancok, MD
       There is a similar international example on EERU. See attachment. It will be visit during GBBE. But I love also the other part of the border. Jesper ... From:
       Jun 08, 2003 @ 20:04 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
10397. Re: Hancok, MD
       not receiving this attachment nor the first one in 10391 some others of yours have been slow too but finally arrived maybe just my old mac ... attachment. ...
       Jun 08, 2003 @ 20:21 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10398. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Hancok, MD
       Well. I see in in my own Inbox. Try http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/10396 Jesper ... From: acroorca2002 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
       Jun 08, 2003 @ 20:26 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10399. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Topomap: EELVRU
       Yes, but it depends what you mean by near . Therefore the enclosed image is more or less giving the official Estonian view on EERU. Estonia is demanding the
       Jun 08, 2003 @ 20:50 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@takas.lt>)
10400. Re: Hancok, MD
       ... believe that ... thanx brendan http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?t=2&s=11&x=1688& y=10102&z=13&w=1 makes it appear we have a real winner here but
       Jun 08, 2003 @ 20:52 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10401. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Topomap: EELVRU
       But then it all makes sence with the Kupedi as the old EELVRU. Jesper ... From: Jan S. Krogh To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003
       Jun 08, 2003 @ 20:54 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10402. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Topomap: EELVRU
       Old map of EE. ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Topomap: EELVRU
       Jun 08, 2003 @ 21:03 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
10403. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Topomap: EELVRU
       No, the border river seems to be Siksali oja which is floating in from Latvia. And yes, Kupedi River is at EELVRU! Jan ... From: Jesper Nielsen
       Jun 08, 2003 @ 21:09 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@takas.lt>)
10404. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Topomap: EELVRU
       Looks to me that Kupedi is at the old EELVRU (top picture) Jesper ... From: Jan S. Krogh To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 11:09 PM
       Jun 08, 2003 @ 21:15 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10405. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Topomap: EELVRU
       Does Estonia claim it officially? Hasn t Estonia ratified the present border? Jesper ... From: Jan S. Krogh To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday,
       Jun 08, 2003 @ 21:20 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10406. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Topomap: EELVRU
       I am sorry, it is Pedetsij River which is the present EERU border river. Jan ... Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system
       Jun 08, 2003 @ 21:24 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
10407. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Topomap: EELVRU
       And what is the name of the present EELV border river? Jesper ... From: Jan S. Krogh To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 11:24 PM
       Jun 08, 2003 @ 21:23 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10408. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Topomap: EELVRU
       No, I did not hear anything about that. This seems to be the the situation: http://www.vm.ee/eng/kat_176/1180.html http://www.vm.ee/eng/kat_176/2136.html Jan
       Jun 08, 2003 @ 21:38 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
10409. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Hancok, MD
       A very interesting what-if regarding this narrow neck of MD: Before Mason and Dixon set out on their survey, Lord Baltimore s representatives believed the
       Jun 08, 2003 @ 21:58 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
10410. Re: [BoundaryPoint] St Maarten
       Len, ... From memory, the closest point between the UK mainland and Northern Ireland is around 20 miles, and as the UK claims a 12-mile territorial sea, it
       Jun 08, 2003 @ 18:46 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
10411. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Topomap: EELVRU
       Do you mean the Gauja River (between the Latvian towns of Ape and Valga? Jan ... From: Jesper Nielsen [mailto:jesniel@image.dk] Sent: 9. juni 2003 00:24 To:
       Jun 08, 2003 @ 21:56 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
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       Jun 08, 2003 @ 22:02 - glasscutternipples9 ("glasscutternipples9" <glasscutternipples9@...>)
10413. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Grand Slam - "New" Neutral Zone & Quadpoint
       Len, ... The other observer country was Czechoslovakia, but they withdrew when the Czech and Slovak Republics separated. In addition, I think one of the
       Jun 08, 2003 @ 20:42 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
10414. Re: Hancok, MD
       ... Baltimore s ... farther north. ... Street in ... you probably do recall correctly as it was to be 15 miles south of the southernmost point of philadelphia
       Jun 08, 2003 @ 23:02 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10415. another quake was Re: Topomap: EELVRU
       ... what picture dudes how can you even see the attachments i cant get a thing here any more i think we may have had another yahoo temblor i wonder if they
       Jun 08, 2003 @ 23:42 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10416. Re: [BoundaryPoint] another quake was Re: Topomap: EELVRU
       The only way I found that it works is to save the attachment on a computer. When the box comes for saving the file, look at the name of the file. It used to
       Jun 09, 2003 @ 00:12 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
10417. another quake was Re: Topomap: EELVRU
       ahh thanx mike excellent it is suddenly working fine again for me now too but i will save this message & suggest others note it too just in case this acts up
       Jun 09, 2003 @ 00:19 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10418. Re: [BoundaryPoint] another quake was Re: Topomap: EELVRU
       I ve noticed no problems. The attachments appear as little postage stamp-sized icons at the bottom of the email (after the ad). I double click on the icon
       Jun 09, 2003 @ 00:26 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
10419. Re: [BoundaryPoint] another quake was Re: Topomap: EELVRU
       As for the case of the missing archive: If one enters GCEBE Boundarypoint as a Google search, messages below 9800 can be accessed. Weird. Doug ...
       Jun 09, 2003 @ 00:37 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
10420. Re: Don't be dissappointed with your Adult Web Site
       hahahaha we arent disappointed at all & welcome friend in fact our adult sandcastling site is better than ever even if it is a little caved in now & happily
       Jun 09, 2003 @ 01:00 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10421. another quake was Re: Topomap: EELVRU
       ahh well with such a fine search term & a lot of persistence i can still manage to push the yahoo search floor down to 9493 but i have found that the google
       Jun 09, 2003 @ 01:20 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10422. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: NW corner TX panhandle
       On this NAD83, 1:6000 Topozone map it appears that the marker is off the pavement, but within the road right of way. As I recall the Clark Monument was near
       Jun 09, 2003 @ 01:43 - jparsell ("jparsell" <jparsell@...>)
10423. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Hancok, MD
       Correction, Brendan. US 340 runs from MD into VA and then into WV. Same result though, a very short stretch in VA. Jack ... From: Brendan
       Jun 09, 2003 @ 01:56 - jparsell ("jparsell" <jparsell@...>)
10424. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Don't be dissappointed with your Adult Web Site
       This mail arrived in my mailbox. It is spam. I don t know how it got to BP. I thought I deleted it and I don t use Microsuck at all. I am investigating it with
       Jun 09, 2003 @ 01:58 - John Kelly ("John Kelly" <johnkelly@...>)
10425. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Hancok, MD
       Jack, Thanks for the Texas panhandle info. My description of US 340 below is coming from the west, where the road goes from VA to WV to VA again before
       Jun 09, 2003 @ 01:59 - Brendan (Brendan <pit.hokie@adelphia.net>)
10426. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Hancok, MD
       ... My error, it wasn t Spruce bur rather South Street, then known as Cedar Street (and I used to live in Philly, no lessl shoulda known better). Anyway, prior
       Jun 09, 2003 @ 02:52 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
10427. DANGER: Fake Ebay "Verification"
       I just received an email with a link to an Ebay-like page. It is superbly done in Ebay style, text and format. It is a form to be filled out with information
       Jun 09, 2003 @ 04:31 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10428. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Large/Small scale map
       ... A map scale is a ratio. The numerator(the number on top ) is typically 1. The denominator(the number on the bottom ) can be anything, such as
       Jun 09, 2003 @ 05:10 - Dave Patton [DCP] ("Dave Patton [DCP]" <dpatton@...>)
10429. Re: NW corner TX panhandle
       the photo linked in message 10400 makes the corner of texas seem to cross the road entirely & it is hard for me to doubt the reality & relative accuracy of the
       Jun 09, 2003 @ 06:18 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10430. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Hancok, MD
       Gee, and I used to think that I-684 s quick trip into Connecticut was special. http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=18&n=4550217&e=607578&s=50 Asher Samuels
       Jun 09, 2003 @ 06:33 - Asher Samuels (Asher Samuels <asher972@...>)
10431. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Topomap: EELVRU
       The one starting from the tripoint. Jesper ... From: Jan S. Krogh To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 11:56 PM Subject: RE:
       Jun 09, 2003 @ 07:02 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10432. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Topomap: EELVRU
       Jesper, Now I understand which river you mean! Sorry, Laukupe seems to have gone underground or dried out. I cannot find it neither on my Estonian or Russian
       Jun 09, 2003 @ 09:21 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
10433. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Topomap: EELVRU
       Attachment missing. Jesper ... From: Jan S. Krogh To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 11:21 AM Subject: RE: [BoundaryPoint] Topomap:
       Jun 09, 2003 @ 09:21 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10434. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Topomap: EELVRU
       Sorry, forgot the map! ... Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.488 / Virus Database:
       Jun 09, 2003 @ 09:22 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@takas.lt>)
10435. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Grand Slam - "New" Neutral Zone & Quadpoint
       Yes, only the original states of Switzerland and Sweden remain in the Neutral Nations Supervisory Commission in Kaesung-jikhalsi Panmun-goon Panmunjom-ri
       Jun 09, 2003 @ 09:52 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
10436. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Grand Slam - "New" Neutral Zone & Quadpoint
       Sorry, the NNSC should be at this link: http://www.panmunjomtour.com/english/jsa/jsa_6.htm Jan ... From: Jan S. Krogh [mailto:jan.krogh@takas.lt] Sent: 9. juni
       Jun 09, 2003 @ 10:01 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
10437. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Topozone and borders
       Isn t there a Derby Line US + CA topomap somewhere= Jesper ... From: jparsell To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 5:31 AM Subject:
       Jun 09, 2003 @ 13:14 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10438. No claim on the CAUS
       http://www.craigmarlatt.com/craig/canada/canada&the_world/canada&us_border_disputes.html Just in the middle is a map of CAUS border dispute. But very odd a
       Jun 09, 2003 @ 13:20 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10439. Re: [IBRG] EELV(RU)
       The dispute is also around Narva. Jesper ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: intborder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [IBRG]
       Jun 09, 2003 @ 15:27 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
10440. shortest interstate transit was Re: Hancok, MD
       well this flash dash of interstate 684 across connecticut may be the shortest such interstate highway interstate transit in america & for the first decades of
       Jun 09, 2003 @ 15:50 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10441. Re: [IBRG] EELV(RU)
       note to bp members there is an interesting new map link hiding in the trailer thread below or new for us here at bp anyway & so easy to overlook by mistaking
       Jun 09, 2003 @ 17:39 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10442. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: [IBRG] EELV(RU)
       That s on of the occasions where an internal expedition issue is also relevant to BoundaryPoint members, and so I decided to x-post. Jesper ... From:
       Jun 09, 2003 @ 17:45 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10443. Re: [IBRG] EELV(RU)
       thanx glad you did & not only because i can finally see the whole pededze river now will we get to see the extra arc lines too & the latvian claim etc or
       Jun 09, 2003 @ 18:01 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10444. Fw: EELV(RU)
       ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: intborder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [IBRG] EELV(RU) Finally this map of EE made sence with
       Jun 09, 2003 @ 18:05 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
10445. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Topozone and borders
       Yes... I have it! My scanner is on the fritz, otherwise I d send it. I ve also seen aerial photos on... terraserver? Doug ... ... Doug Murray
       Jun 09, 2003 @ 19:01 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
10446. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Topozone and borders
       terraserver link? J ps This time next month the boat is leaving Copenhagen habour ... From: Doug Murray To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June
       Jun 09, 2003 @ 19:04 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10447. Re: [BoundaryPoint] shortest interstate transit was Re: Hancok, MD
       I ll be in New York June 22nd to July 2nd. Saturday the 28th is out, but any other day is good for me. ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?
       Jun 09, 2003 @ 19:21 - Asher Samuels (Asher Samuels <asher972@...>)
10448. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Topozone and borders
       http://terraserver.microsoft.com/ image.aspx?t=1&s=10&x=3643&y=24938&z=18&w=1 The Haskell is located in the bottom third, centre. It is south east of the
       Jun 09, 2003 @ 19:23 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
10449. Re: Don't be dissappointed with your Adult Web Site
       hey john buddy no sweat we didnt connect this with you anyway til you chirped in & the original was indeed spam or rather just a presumably business oriented
       Jun 09, 2003 @ 19:58 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10450. shortest interstate transit was Re: Hancok, MD
       fantastic thanx any of those days are fine with me & i would gladly defer first choice of them all to arif arif are you listening &or secondarily to any others
       Jun 09, 2003 @ 20:13 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10451. absolute world dry & other extremities
       driest point on earth is said here to be very near chn aka bochpe http://www.astrobio.net/news/article337.html visited robotically 1997 various other global
       Jun 10, 2003 @ 00:06 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10452. Re: Hancok, MD
       thanx kevin sounds like a book many of us will enjoy after some searching i believe i have found the location you mentioned on south street & will look for a
       Jun 10, 2003 @ 00:17 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10453. Re: No claim on the CAUS
       it is very odd when anything so obviously valuable & claimable goes unclaimed yet the gap is just what remains between the 2 conflicting but equally principled
       Jun 10, 2003 @ 01:16 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10454. Re: [BoundaryPoint] shortest interstate transit was Re: Hancok, MD
       Michael et al., Sorry about the confusion re: US 340. There *is* only one crossing in the MD-VA-WV tripoint area - the other is some ways west near Gaylord,
       Jun 10, 2003 @ 01:54 - Brendan (Brendan <pit.hokie@...>)
10455. woodrow wilson bridge
       yes great call brendan & i think dc certainly beats greenwich ct as interstate highway transit dwarf thanx to woodrow wilson bridge regardless of any
       Jun 10, 2003 @ 02:56 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@hotmail.com>)
10456. I-66 in D.C.
       Thanx for the recognition, Michael. I m not a frequent poster but I m always glad to enrich the minds of my fellow tripointers. To your question re: I-66, it
       Jun 10, 2003 @ 03:42 - Brendan (Brendan <pit.hokie@...>)
10457. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fw: EELV(RU) - old (1922) Estonian map
       I attache an old estonian map. More maps similar this one you can find at: http://www.utlib.ee/ee/Publikatsioonid/1999/kaardid/naituse_kataloog.html
       Jun 10, 2003 @ 09:49 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@interia.pl>)
10458. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Don't be dissappointed with your Adult Web Site
       Actually, I panicked and deleted the original message before I checked who the sender was. If if came to me from BP, no sweat. If it came from my mail server
       Jun 10, 2003 @ 12:14 - John Kelly ("John Kelly" <johnkelly@...>)
10459. Wilson DC "dip getting shorter
       A new Wilson Bridge is under construction immediately south of the existing span. As a result, the highway portion within the District will be noticably
       Jun 10, 2003 @ 13:30 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10460. DE-NJ River & Circle Boundary
       I scanned and just posted in Photos two images of a detailed Delaware map (1/2 mile to inch) extract showing the western end of the circule border with MD
       Jun 10, 2003 @ 13:24 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10461. DE Circle and River Border with NJ
       I just scanned and posted two maps in the photos library - one a detailed scan of the western end of the DE circle border (.5 miles=1-inch) and a smaller map
       Jun 10, 2003 @ 13:33 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10462. be appointed was Re: Don't be dissappointed
       ok you are almost definitely in the clear john because everyone who has selected the individual email option has gotten all of these as emails & only as emails
       Jun 10, 2003 @ 13:40 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10463. Re: I-66 in D.C.
       ... I m ... yes bravo thats the point not to clutter but to enrich we should cast that in latin & hang it over our door ... William ... heads N-S past ... Ends
       Jun 10, 2003 @ 14:32 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10464. Re: Wilson DC "dip getting shorter
       ... of the ... District ... hahahahaha well that is the final asterisk on the cherry on the icing & golden needle in morning haystack The DC ... even though
       Jun 10, 2003 @ 14:36 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10465. DC-VA Border
       This morning, I posted a third map, this one showing the Potomac River area where Hwy 66 enters the District, but which also shows a number of other roads that
       Jun 10, 2003 @ 23:12 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10466. Further to DC-VA
       To continue my prompt to study the map for more short sections of highways that dip into Virigina, see also the section at Graveley Point (southern end of the
       Jun 10, 2003 @ 23:28 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10467. Re: Slicing up CO justalilbit
       ... well it was just that some people so doubted my assertions of what i knew to be a secret fact that when they challenged me to a wager over it they were
       Jun 10, 2003 @ 23:46 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
10468. Torres Strait Islands Exclaves?
       Salute, A reader of Geo Site has left the following message in the guestbook: I have discovered an interesting boundary in the Torres Strait between Australia
       Jun 11, 2003 @ 00:11 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
10469. Re: Torres Strait Islands Exclaves?
       last time this came up at bp i believe we concluded there must be several ozzie claves here inclusive of several islands & groups plus their aggregated
       Jun 11, 2003 @ 00:30 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10470. Re: lake victoria tridominium is promised
       but the kenyans were indeed as unrealistic as the austrians according to this update http://www.nationaudio.com/News/EastAfrican/current/Regional/
       Jun 11, 2003 @ 01:57 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10471. Re: Further to DC-VA -another correction
       This para.: Also, a little north of Gravelyu Point just south of Ladfy Bird Johnson park, there are loops on Hwy 395 forming access ramps that are on added
       Jun 11, 2003 @ 04:29 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10472. Egypt-Sudan
       
       Jun 11, 2003 @ 04:54 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
10473. Egypt-Sudan Border Question
       ... NOTE: MY OLD EMAIL ADDRESS b.whyte@pgrad.unimelb.edu.au EXPIRED ON 20 APRIL 2003. PLEASE UPDATE YOUR ADDRESS BOOK TO bwhyte@unimelb.edu.au Dr Brendan Whyte
       Jun 11, 2003 @ 04:54 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
10474. Re: [BoundaryPoint] From borderpoint to pizzaplace
       Well The Halt! Hier Grenze, Bundesgrenzschutz sign can stilll be found on DEDK if you really look for it. They should have been removed when DK joined
       Jun 11, 2003 @ 05:30 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
10475. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Slicing up CO justalilbit
       CO is Colorado; Connecticut is CT
       Jun 11, 2003 @ 06:03 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
10476. Re: [BoundaryPoint] From borderpoint to pizzaplace
       A souvenir? ... ... Doug Murray Productions 1211 Cotton Drive Vancouver BC
       Jun 11, 2003 @ 06:05 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
10477. Re: [BoundaryPoint] From borderpoint to pizzaplace
       Bring a shovel next time :-) When is it you are back in Denmark? Jesper ... From: Doug Murray To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003
       Jun 11, 2003 @ 06:25 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10478. Re: [BoundaryPoint] From borderpoint to pizzaplace
       I will bring a small shovel with me when I am in Denmark, 24 days from now. Doug ... ... Doug Murray Productions 1211 Cotton Drive Vancouver BC
       Jun 11, 2003 @ 06:30 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
10479. Re: [BoundaryPoint] From borderpoint to pizzaplace
       But how will you get to the sign? ... From: Doug Murray To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint]
       Jun 11, 2003 @ 06:33 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10480. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Torres Strait Islands Exclaves?
       Thanks, I ll check up with the archive! The essential here is of course if these islands are inside PNG territorial waters. If they are not, then I do not
       Jun 11, 2003 @ 08:15 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
10481. Re: Torres Strait Islands Exclaves?
       good luck with the archive as it has been practically unsearchable lately my recollection is the territorial waters of the 2 countries are indeed delineated
       Jun 11, 2003 @ 12:09 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10482. Re: Slicing up CO justalilbit
       right but it is clear from the message that colorado wasnt intended more likely it is co as in company i think craig only meant to slice up the company just a
       Jun 11, 2003 @ 12:19 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10483. Re: From borderpoint to pizzaplace
       well indeed & while you shovel the anchovies onto your pepperoni we can savor the subtle blending of flavors here between the probably no longer existent
       Jun 11, 2003 @ 12:31 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10484. Re: Egypt-Sudan Border Question
       ... Halfa Salient ... can anyone say including especially brownlie if available whether this proruption is entirely bounded by geodesic lines or whether some
       Jun 11, 2003 @ 12:48 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10485. Re: Further to DC-VA -another correction
       good of you to at least begin to correct yourself len & so in a nutshell what is left now that is right & intentional or better yet if you would prefer a fresh
       Jun 11, 2003 @ 13:03 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10486. Re: Further to DC-VA -another correction
       No, enough dips are already exposed. Overprompting gets counterproductive. Diminishing returns, you know? LN
       Jun 11, 2003 @ 14:33 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10487. Re: Further to DC-VA -another correction
       ok you are so modest but clearly you have offered at least another asterisk & golden needle in relation to the actual question & point being tried & haystacked
       Jun 11, 2003 @ 17:50 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10488. Re: Slicing up CO justalilbit
       ... Hi Kevin May I please use the excuse (this one time only) that I am Canadian? COnvenient, but it may not work. You guys use MO for Missouri and ME for
       Jun 11, 2003 @ 18:16 - Craig ("Craig" <trehala@...>)
10489. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Slicing up CO justalilbit
       But of course! How do you folks abbreviate Manitoba? I believe with all the M states we have, it leaves you short in an integrated system. Is it MB? MO makes
       Jun 11, 2003 @ 18:45 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
10490. Re: Egypt-Sudan
       right but not for citation so it is good youve separated the text from this mention of its source which is http://www-ibru.dur.ac.uk/conf/islam/dzurek.pdf &
       Jun 11, 2003 @ 20:33 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10491. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Slicing up CO justalilbit
       Is Quebec PQ or QC? And is the newly named province of Newfoundland and Labrador now NFL? Touchdown! Doug ... ... Doug Murray Productions 1211
       Jun 11, 2003 @ 20:59 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
10492. Re: Slicing up CO justalilbit
       
       Jun 11, 2003 @ 21:34 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10493. Virginia Border Slots
       Attached is a photo of the shoreline border btw Virginia & Maryland, with border crossers walking offshore to the casino over water. Regards Len
       Jun 11, 2003 @ 17:44 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@comcast.net>)
10494. TORRES sTRAIT
       It seems there are some insular enclaves, a couple either side of the fisheries line. I would argue that the Australian islands within the fisheries line, but
       Jun 11, 2003 @ 23:50 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
10495. Re: [BoundaryPoint] St Maarten
       http://edm.sxm.free.fr/Maps/map-frames.html hi, here you may find different topo-maps of sint maarten - saint martin. http://edm.sxm.free.fr/Maps/map5d.JPG
       Jun 12, 2003 @ 01:27 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
10496. Re: TORRES sTRAIT
       ... clearly at least 4 thanx & qed ... no argument here but papua claims 12nm of territorial seas too tho not shown at all on your otherwise excellent ozzie
       Jun 12, 2003 @ 02:54 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10497. Re: St Maarten
       nice find chris by far the best map of it we have seen or may ever see yet once again the boundary wont stay still but is again different as it has been on
       Jun 12, 2003 @ 03:07 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10498. RE: [BoundaryPoint] St Maarten
       Great links Chris! This is a bit clearer than on my old 1:50000, although the border at Oyster Pond is different on the online map versus the old 1:50000,
       Jun 12, 2003 @ 04:27 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
10499. Re: St Maarten
       thanx dallen good show & tell & please do prolong the pleasure the point on the small ... be an elevation ... monument on the ... ok agreed at least a vertical
       Jun 12, 2003 @ 18:00 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10500. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: St Maarten
       I looked over my St Martin pics last night, and they all seem to have turned out very well, but they re really large files (most about 450-650kb). I m trying
       Jun 12, 2003 @ 18:10 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
10501. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: St Maarten
       By the way, Mike, I agree that the stone wall(s) could be more to mark property lines than the border, but I do think that property lines were coincident with
       Jun 12, 2003 @ 18:12 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
10502. Confederation Bridge (NB-PEI)
       Confirmation (maybe) that there is no boundary marker on the Confederation Bridge demarcating the New Brusnwick - Prince Edward Island border: Thank you for
       Jun 12, 2003 @ 18:18 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
10503. Turks and Caicos, Canada?
       Put on the Beach Boys song Wouldn t it be nice... and read the following. Doug Thursday » June 12 » 2003 Canada urged to create a sunshine province
       Jun 12, 2003 @ 18:33 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
10504. Re: St Maarten Pix Prob
       If you don t have a dot-per-inch reducing utility in your graphics program, try saving them with a name that has suffix .jpg. Your program SHOULD prompt you
       Jun 12, 2003 @ 18:54 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10505. Re: Confederation Bridge (NB-PEI)
       ... reconfirmation & definitely because there simply is no boundary between nb & pei & thats because canadian federal waters are all there is there &
       Jun 12, 2003 @ 19:09 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10506. Re: [BoundaryPoint] St Maarten
       Hi, something clave-like (and call it however you like...) there seem to be some houses standing close to the border on Saint Martin territory, that are
       Jun 12, 2003 @ 19:08 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@gmx.de>)
10507. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Confederation Bridge (NB-PEI)
       Right you are! And I look forward to the snaps! Ah, the Ithmus of Chignecto -- it brings back memories of researching a failed railway project up in that neck
       Jun 12, 2003 @ 20:21 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
10508. Re: Turks and Caicos, Canada?
       fantastic news this perennial but great idea is actually 86 years old but my rooting about for the most recent previous mention of it has led me to notice that
       Jun 12, 2003 @ 20:29 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10509. Canada - Jamaica
       Has anyone ever heard of a plan in the 1800 s or early 1900 s for Canada to annex Jamaica? This is the first I ve heard of such a thing. So far, no luck in
       Jun 12, 2003 @ 20:32 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
10510. Re: [BoundaryPoint] St Maarten
       Exclellent find. I like it. Jesper ... From: chris schulz To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint]
       Jun 12, 2003 @ 21:40 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10511. Re: Cannuck Turks & Caicos
       Hmm, that sounds to me like a story that newspapers use regulary to fill the pages during calm summer days... like the Kraut s Newspapers claim regulary that
       Jun 12, 2003 @ 22:03 - SAZ ("SAZ" <saz@...>)
10512. the canbnsn & canbnss twins
       the try pointer in the first attached pic faces northeast across green bay of northumberland strait toward confederation bridge & prince edward island some 25
       Jun 12, 2003 @ 23:17 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@hotmail.com>)
10513. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cannuck Turks & Caicos
       Hi, ... Unfortunately, most British people won t have even heard of the Turks and Caicos Islands, let alone know that it s a British Overseas Territory! I
       Jun 12, 2003 @ 23:17 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
10514. blooper police academy
       http://www.iht.com/articles/99236.html while nobody notices that a continuous west bank palestine still wont be contiguous with a continuous gaza palestine
       Jun 13, 2003 @ 00:14 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10515. Esmeralda/Nye notch near Tonopah
       For a while, I ve stared at maps of Nevada and wondered about how the seat of Nye County, NV, (Tonopah) is on a road (US-95) that seems to go just barely over
       Jun 13, 2003 @ 00:56 - adamnvillani ("adamnvillani" <avillani@...>)
10516. St Martin pics
       Thanks to Doug Murray s help, we ve got the pictures to a workable size. Photographs: 1) This is looking at the end of the wall that divides the French and
       Jun 13, 2003 @ 02:16 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
10517. Re: Esmeralda/Nye notch near Tonopah
       welcome at last adam after 22 months of lurking a new bp record & thanx for the interesting question too ... neither of these occurrences in itself is very
       Jun 13, 2003 @ 03:22 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10518. Re: [BoundaryPoint] St Martin pics
       What is this type of attachment? Jesper ... From: Dallen Timothy To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 4:16 AM Subject: [BoundaryPoint]
       Jun 13, 2003 @ 04:14 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10519. RE: [BoundaryPoint] St Martin pics
       Dallen has forwarded the pages only instead of the JPEG images! Jan ... From: Jesper Nielsen [mailto:jesniel@image.dk] Sent: 13. juni 2003 07:15 To:
       Jun 13, 2003 @ 08:00 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
10520. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Esmeralda/Nye notch near Tonopah
       Kinshasa, the capital of De. Rep. of Congo (2,344,885 km²) located virtually on the boundary line to Rep. of Congo and in the very Western part of the country
       Jun 13, 2003 @ 08:17 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
10521. Border Towns Eye Canadian Plan to Lessen Penalty for Pot Use
       Jun 13, 2003 Border Towns Eye Canadian Plan to Lessen Penalty for Pot Use By Krista Larson Associated Press Writer SWANTON, Vt. (AP) - Some of Nicole Cook s
       Jun 13, 2003 @ 10:57 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
10522. VA tow trucks to ply in DC
       The governor of Virginia and the Mayor of the District of Columbia came to an agreement to let tow trucks from the Virginia Department of Transportation come
       Jun 13, 2003 @ 12:45 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10523. Re: Esmeralda/Nye notch near Tonopah
       ... located virtually ... part of the ... yes thanx for both jacking up & lasering in here as kinshasa does indeed appear to be the top & final word of the
       Jun 13, 2003 @ 15:13 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10524. Re: Border Towns Eye Canadian Plan to Lessen Penalty for Pot Use
       thanx bill another beauty & thanx also for your state of the art hence presumably mind over matter repair of the search engine & did you notice our newest
       Jun 13, 2003 @ 16:48 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10525. Re: Canada - Jamaica
       a specifically canadian try for jamaica per se i never heard of so given this level of expertise maybe i should just shut up on principle but there were
       Jun 13, 2003 @ 17:44 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10526. St Martin pics
       Ok, let’s try this again. I must have done something wrong. Pictures: 1) This is the end of the border wall at the far west coast of the island. If I
       Jun 13, 2003 @ 18:01 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
10527. International Boundary Commission
       Hello All: I spoke with a very nice fellow from the IBC this morning. He is the guy leading the team that is doing maintenance along the CAUS line in Point
       Jun 13, 2003 @ 20:04 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
10528. St Martin pics
       BPers, here are some more pictures of St Martin/St Maarten. I m resending one I sent earlier because I forgot to explain it. 1) This is where the border
       Jun 13, 2003 @ 21:24 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
10529. more pics
       1) Another view of the main marker on the road from Philipsburg to Marigot. This is a popular stop for tourists. Note the campaign signs almost against the
       Jun 13, 2003 @ 21:34 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
10530. Nv: mineral county angle
       An ~15 degree angled proruption of Mineral cty into Nye/Churchill counties in Nv. Presumably Nye was one of the later-formed counties, and Mineral was left
       Jun 14, 2003 @ 01:08 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
10531. Atlas of Historical County Boundaries series
       A project to map and document all historical counties and county proposals in the US from 1600 onwards, by state. 19 volumes (24 states + DC) published to
       Jun 14, 2003 @ 03:06 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
10532. For Acroorca
       Hello Acroorca2002 I just received an email from your personal account, mostly garbled and carrying a computer virus. Please check and innoculate your
       Jun 14, 2003 @ 05:44 - I M Naanu (I M Naanu <imnaanu@...>)
10533. Re: Nv: mineral county angle
       ... 1861 churchill & esmeralda 1864 nye from esmeralda 1911 mineral from esmeralda & the proruption is indeed full of mines so esmeralda may have wanted to
       Jun 14, 2003 @ 05:57 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10534. Re: For Acroorca
       thats odd since the orc at orcoast account is defunct & i too recently got a message with an attachment carrying a virus supposedly from timothy keyser &
       Jun 14, 2003 @ 06:07 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10535. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Esmeralda/Nye notch near Tonopah
       Vilnius District Municipality (Lithuania) has its administration building inside neighbouring Vilnius City Municipality (separate administrations) and
       Jun 14, 2003 @ 12:32 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
10536. Re: Esmeralda/Nye notch near Tonopah
       oranges & apples in this case as the new jersey state house is indeed barely inside new jersey & we have previously seen quite a few cases of external seats of
       Jun 14, 2003 @ 13:56 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10537. Re: more pics
       ... bravo & of course we enjoyed them & just in case you were waiting for comment before continuing let me continue applauding for you have already shown us 3
       Jun 14, 2003 @ 15:08 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10538. more bullfrog leaps & bounds
       http://dmla.clan.lib.nv.us/docs/kids/counties.htm & then jumping to a nuclear suppository albeit well buried so perhaps leapfrogging right over this to the
       Jun 14, 2003 @ 16:51 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
10539. Re: ellis adventure
       ok everyone if i may arif favors sunday june 22nd & sunday the 29th predicting good probability of success so i would like to call that a launch & a leap to
       Jun 14, 2003 @ 17:34 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
10540. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Esmeralda/Nye notch near Tonopah
       It is not one of those - it is simply the only one left in Asia - named British Indian Ocean Territory - 60 km² and about 2,000 inhabitants.
       Jun 14, 2003 @ 17:42 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
10541. farthest known place from its government
       nice & evidently you have even led us via this link to the very farthest one of these 2300 islands from their seat of government in london namely diego garcia
       Jun 14, 2003 @ 17:58 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10542. RE: [BoundaryPoint] farthest known place from its government
       I agree that Diego Garcia is far out of London, but Bouvet Is. is even more far from Oslo. (If we keep Antartican territories out.) Jan ... From: acroorca2002
       Jun 14, 2003 @ 18:18 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
10543. Re: farthest known place from its government
       i have previously posted a lost response to this which may or may not land subsequently but this message amends & improves it anyway the farthest known dry
       Jun 14, 2003 @ 19:48 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10544. oops
       & i neglected to continue elong 3d18m45s to the nearest quarter of a mile & btw that was slat 54d31m30s just to have both corrected coords in one place oops
       Jun 14, 2003 @ 19:59 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10545. Re: Esmeralda/Nye notch near Tonopah
       ... Sure, no problem. I actually wasn t actively lurking for a substantial fraction of that 22 months. ... Thanks... inspired by your ability to find the dates
       Jun 14, 2003 @ 21:16 - adamnvillani ("adamnvillani" <avillani@...>)
10546. Re: farthest known place from its government
       I think there is a good bet that Paris is farther than Oslo is from it s most distant dependency in the south Pacific. Try Wallis & Futuna. It s halfway
       Jun 14, 2003 @ 23:24 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10547. Re: Esmeralda/Nye notch near Tonopah
       ... hahaha well then your record merits an asterisk too for its effortlessness & it will be hard to beat either way so good luck to any remaining lurkers who
       Jun 14, 2003 @ 23:55 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10548. China-USSR border
       Apparently this is it: http://www.weinzinger.org/photos/honeymoon/prc-ussr-border.jpg No Welcome to the Soviet Union! signs though. Doug Murray Productions -
       Jun 15, 2003 @ 00:08 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
10549. Re: farthest known place from its seat of government
       well you are right len the original seat in our worlds farthest known place from its seat of government had completely fallen off the question somewhere along
       Jun 15, 2003 @ 01:19 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10550. Border agreements this week
       LTRU: http://www.interfax.com/com?item=Lith&pg=0&id=5642412&req= SAYE http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2003-06/09/content_909273.htm
       Jun 15, 2003 @ 05:44 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10551. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ellis adventure
       I m only arriving in the US on the 22nd, so I d have to go with the 29th. ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only
       Jun 15, 2003 @ 07:19 - Asher Samuels (Asher Samuels <asher972@...>)
10552. Happy border marker day
       
       Jun 15, 2003 @ 09:16 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
10553. Re: ellis adventure
       ok it is shaping up nicely then & we are counting down to sunday fortnight june 29 tomorrow i will invite the border maker himself to join & guide the
       Jun 15, 2003 @ 09:39 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10554. Re: Happy border marker day
       thank you & many happy returns visiting an obelisk at noon on its birthday is practically as punctilious as multipointing any time
       Jun 15, 2003 @ 16:17 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10555. Re: [BoundaryPoint] farthest known place from its government
       Len, ... Certain islands in French Polynesia might be further from Paris than Wallis and Futana. In addition, Pitcairn Island might also be further from London
       Jun 15, 2003 @ 18:17 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
10556. Re: farthest known place from its government
       ... Wallis ... I stopped at Wallis, because the further around the globe I went, the closer to Paris I came going the other way around. I tried to locate the
       Jun 15, 2003 @ 20:51 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10557. Re: farthest known place from its national capital
       ... Paris than Wallis ... the extremities of the french polynesia group are indeed farther from paris than the extremities of the wallis & futuna group but the
       Jun 15, 2003 @ 22:20 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10558. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: farthest known place from its government
       ... From: L. A. Nadybal To: Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 3:51 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: farthest
       Jun 15, 2003 @ 22:25 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
10559. great circles was Re: farthest known place from its government
       ... went, the ... locate ... around the ... good thinking ordinarily except here french polynesia & new caledonia both make up in latitude what they lose to
       Jun 15, 2003 @ 23:06 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10562. Live from the North Pole!
       For those of you who virtually have been nearly everywhere - here s the last minute information from the North Pole: http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/gallery_np.html
       Jun 16, 2003 @ 07:22 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
10563. Re: Esmeralda/Nye notch near Tonopah
       ... Here you go: http://www.leg.state.nv.us/nrs/NRS-243.html It s kinda neat; some of the county definitions are really simple, and others go into quite a bit
       Jun 16, 2003 @ 08:07 - adamnvillani ("adamnvillani" <avillani@...>)
10564. Re: Border agreements this week
       ... So is the Saudi/Yemen border still undemarcated or not? This article seems to contradict itself, unless I m interpreting it wrong. Adam
       Jun 16, 2003 @ 08:13 - adamnvillani ("adamnvillani" <avillani@...>)
10565. Cameroon-Nigeria Border Dispute
       http://allafrica.com/stories/200306140001.html
       Jun 16, 2003 @ 10:15 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@...>)
10566. A few pictures aroud China border
       Some border pics, which I foun on the Net: http://siambike.com/china.jpg (One of south neighbours, but I dont know which one) http://www.schina.com.hk/pe29.htm
       Jun 16, 2003 @ 10:37 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@...>)
10567. Re: Live from the North Pole!
       a global extremity & everyones ice to be sure but also the renegade quadripoint caevevru where illegal sector claims by canada & russia would partly override &
       Jun 16, 2003 @ 14:06 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10568. Re: Esmeralda/Nye notch near Tonopah
       ... on ... it ... sources ... thanx one new revelation here is that the stepstair churchill lyon county line that brendan was asking about is actually not
       Jun 16, 2003 @ 14:12 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10569. Re: Border agreements this week
       i think it must be like that china vietnam border we recently saw jumping from minimal to much more substantial demarcation in a single upgrade but evidently
       Jun 16, 2003 @ 14:18 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10570. Re: A few pictures aroud China border
       nice going artur ... burma seems far more likely than laos or any other ... http://robotics.stanford.edu/~latombe/mountain/photo/muztaghat a/kk18.jpg
       Jun 16, 2003 @ 14:46 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10571. Re: A few pictures aroud China border
       ... since this thai bikers group is only promoting tours of northern thailand & neighboring areas of laos & myanmar & given that thailand has no border with
       Jun 16, 2003 @ 22:36 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10572. Re: Cameroon-Nigeria Border Dispute
       ... http://www.dailytimesofnigeria.com/DailyTimes/2003/June/13/Ba kassiEuropeanfirm.asp
       Jun 16, 2003 @ 23:27 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10573. mwzm no mas land purported
       http://www.zana.gov.zm/news/viewnews.cgi?category=1&id=105 5596585 very near our funny little pene er proruption at zmse but i dont recall ma or brownlie ever
       Jun 17, 2003 @ 00:10 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10574. Re: Ellis Island and Baarle
       brendan tho the connection here between ellis & baarle was fortuitous i have just also chanced on your interesting 16 may post to the international boundaries
       Jun 17, 2003 @ 01:58 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10575. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Hancok, MD
       I ve been on that short stretch of US 340 in Virginia. There s a gas station between the Potomac River bridge, where the road crosses from MD to VA, and the WV
       Jun 17, 2003 @ 02:03 - Tom Sanders (Tom Sanders <hilversum96@...>)
10576. mdvawv & Re: Hancok, MD
       tom when did you visit the mdvawv area & did you find any tristate marker there i ask because many of us have sought this presumably unmonumented & usually
       Jun 17, 2003 @ 13:16 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10577. Belize question
       I ve request to you: my friend must write a composition when and why British Honduras changed name into Belize. Please, write direclty to her: anna.dbv@wp.pl
       Jun 17, 2003 @ 17:27 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@...>)
10578. UN documents on int borders
       http://www.un.org/Depts/los/LEGISLATIONANDTREATIES/STATEFILES/
       Jun 17, 2003 @ 17:32 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10579. re mdvawv
       a 1997 survey marked 30 points along northernmost vawv specifically between loudon county va & jefferson county wv with copper plates set in cement monuments
       Jun 17, 2003 @ 19:14 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10580. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Belize question
       ... The name changed from British Honduras to Belize in June 1973, in anticipation of independence (which was delayed until September 1981 due to a border
       Jun 17, 2003 @ 19:38 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
10581. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Belize question
       You better Belize it! ... From: Kevin Meynell [mailto:kevin@meynell.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 1:39 PM To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Cc:
       Jun 17, 2003 @ 20:24 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
10582. EELVRU
       According to Boundary Bits EELVRU was fixed in 1997, but is it really? http://www.boundaries.com/ibm_idx.htm Comments? Jesper
       Jun 17, 2003 @ 20:07 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10583. New dry DKSE crossing?
       http://www.berlingske.dk/indland/artikel:aiid=332164/
       Jun 17, 2003 @ 20:20 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10584. finest known border in the world continued
       just spoke again with rich castagna of the nj dep whom you may remember as the creator of the shortest state line in america as detailed in message 10124 plus
       Jun 17, 2003 @ 20:37 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
10585. Re: EELVRU
       what is your puzzlement didnt your estonian informant in message 10361 also tell you it had been fixed ok but must remain secret pending estonian & russian
       Jun 17, 2003 @ 22:03 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10586. Re: Belize question
       of course it was the old belize river & particularly the old capital city of belize situated near its mouth that the new country name was coopted from the
       Jun 17, 2003 @ 23:23 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10587. Re: [BoundaryPoint] mdvawv & Re: Hancock MD
       acroorca2002 wrote: tom when did you visit the mdvawv area & did you find any tristate marker there i ask because many of us have sought this
       Jun 18, 2003 @ 01:25 - Tom Sanders (Tom Sanders <hilversum96@...>)
10588. Two new enclaves??
       Please see the decision of the international court of justice below six months ago. The following question arises: Q: That these two islands apparently lie
       Jun 18, 2003 @ 01:46 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10589. Re: Two new enclaves??
       the court observed that the nlat 4d10m idmy boundary terminates at the east end of sebatik & is not even allocational beyond that & the ligitan & sipadan group
       Jun 18, 2003 @ 13:14 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10590. mdvawv & Re: Hancock MD
       ... Ferry National Monument in WV. I knew that I would briefly enter VA after crossing the US 340 bridge, and that three states met nearby. At the time, I had
       Jun 18, 2003 @ 13:51 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10591. Re: re mdvawv
       just spoke with kevin vaughn the surveyor of vawv down to mdvawv in 1997 & writer of the account of it in the link below & he told me the terminal marker is
       Jun 18, 2003 @ 15:55 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10592. CAUS Clairifiacation
       With regards to buildings being built on the CAUS, the following applies: Structures built after the International Boundary Act of July 6, 1960 require the
       Jun 18, 2003 @ 16:00 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
10593. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: EELVRU
       Been correponding with the Estonias Ministry of Defence. They like secrets. Buy they tell me that UN might help me, as they have sent the treaty to them.
       Jun 18, 2003 @ 19:38 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10594. Re: EELVRU
       wow this is multi intriguing of course we have long known the united nations to be the official repository of maritime boundary data as linked in your message
       Jun 18, 2003 @ 20:08 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10595. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: EELVRU
       Here are some words from the message The Estonian borders are not the matters of Estonia only and we do not make these things public. This treaty is sent to
       Jun 18, 2003 @ 20:12 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10596. atchlin south
       Several days without new tripoint stuff on the site, so: Cimbing the Naafkopf. Nice photos there: http://www.alpine-wandergruppe.de/naafkopf.htm And a curious
       Jun 18, 2003 @ 20:14 - marcelmiquelcat ("marcelmiquelcat" <marcelmiquel@...>)
10597. Re: [BoundaryPoint] atchlin south
       Is picture 20 the tp? Gipfelkreuz? Jesper ... From: marcelmiquelcat To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 10:14 PM Subject:
       Jun 18, 2003 @ 20:19 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10598. Tripoint picture from BP virgin time
       I remember posting a link to a European tripoint is the very early life of BoundaryPoint. Now that I have visited 19 of these, and seen many pictures of some
       Jun 18, 2003 @ 20:48 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10599. Re: Tripoint picture from BP virgin time
       you may be helped by message 2022 which gives the message numbers of our first 31 tricountry point hits some of the links may even still be alive so good luck
       Jun 18, 2003 @ 21:36 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10600. atchlis was Re: atchlin south
       well we have been talking about new tripoint stuff ok marcel but havent shown pix of any new ones in a long time nor have we had any world class virgins in far
       Jun 18, 2003 @ 22:29 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10601. Point Roberts
       I recall seeing, I thought on this list, a photo showing a bar in Point Roberts with a pool table and a US-Canada line marked on the floor. Is there a site
       Jun 19, 2003 @ 03:38 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
10602. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Point Roberts
       Do you mean this one? http://humanities-interactive.org/canadianborder/index.html, and look for Boundary Pool in the lft menu? Jesper ... Quick guide to
       Jun 19, 2003 @ 04:05 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10603. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Point Roberts
       Thanks. I am not sure if this is the one, because I thought I had seen one at Point Roberts. Perhaps I had confused one Pt. Roberts one with this one, but I
       Jun 19, 2003 @ 04:28 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
10604. Re: [BoundaryPoint] mwzm no mas land purported
       You are referring to msg 8487 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/8487 Mwami shoud be at the center of
       Jun 19, 2003 @ 04:46 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10605. FW: vistytis e-group
       Hello! For those of us who are completely crazy about Vistytis! Regards, Jan ... From: Robert Kaminsky [mailto:nospamsky@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: 18. juni 2003 23:24
       Jun 19, 2003 @ 06:51 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
10606. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: EELVRU
       Borders are dangerous things - imagine what may happen if somebody finds out where they are!!! (These East Europeans ... .....! ;-))) Jan ... From: Jesper
       Jun 19, 2003 @ 06:51 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
10607. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Point Roberts
       I have seen a similar photo on a Point Roberts page as well. But, having been there, I can assure you that such a place does not exist. There are no buildings
       Jun 19, 2003 @ 07:26 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
10608. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Point Roberts
       john, i remember seeing the picture years ago in the book between friends which the
       Jun 19, 2003 @ 13:04 - Beckett, Bob ("Beckett, Bob" <bob.beckett@...>)
10609. Re: mwzm no mas land purported
       ... right thanx ... http://www.expedia.com/pub/agent.dll?qscr=mmvw&msds=EX01 04ED80F2f$81Vz$9D$82Vz94002!701000!4$FF!50!Q$FF0!8$FF
       Jun 19, 2003 @ 14:37 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10610. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Point Roberts
       Jesper Nielsen wrote:Do you mean this one? http://humanities-interactive.org/canadianborder/index.html, and look for Boundary Pool in the
       Jun 19, 2003 @ 14:47 - Tom Sanders (Tom Sanders <hilversum96@...>)
10611. Re: Point Roberts
       right shot wrong pocket oops ... had seen one at Point Roberts. Perhaps I had confused one Pt. Roberts one with this one, but I was thinking there was
       Jun 19, 2003 @ 14:53 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10612. CAUS (QCVT)
       The following two items appeared in the June 5th edition of the Stanstead, Quebec Journal. I subscribe to the weekly for the occasional border story from that
       Jun 19, 2003 @ 16:17 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
10613. menh law condo could override border dispute
       http://www.seacoastonline.com/news/06192003/news/34918.ht m
       Jun 19, 2003 @ 17:13 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10614. bwnazmzw update
       new bwna pact includes bwnazm map & orthophoto http://allafrica.com/stories/200306180369.html but how soon will we be able to see them meanwhile bw stresses
       Jun 19, 2003 @ 18:10 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10615. soccer fans destroy senegambian border posts
       skip to last paragraph http://allafrica.com/stories/200306160783.html in fact skip the whole thing
       Jun 19, 2003 @ 18:35 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10616. LV/EE
       I m looking for people, who know latvian and/or estonian language. Thx
       Jun 19, 2003 @ 19:04 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@...>)
10617. LV/EE #2
       I m looking for people who know latvian and/or estonian language. If do you know one of these languages, please translate: God bless you This is our sixth
       Jun 19, 2003 @ 19:12 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@...>)
10618. North Korea-Russia border pics
       Does anyone have photos of KPRU? Is this frontier dry or wet (or both)? I had an old issue of Far Eastern Economic Review with a cover shot of someone walking
       Jun 20, 2003 @ 03:28 - Craig ("Craig" <trehala@...>)
10619. Lost Places
       I just came across a fascinating website that chronicles the lost places of Germany. Bridges, bases and yes, borders! The main page is here:
       Jun 20, 2003 @ 05:17 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
10620. Re: [BoundaryPoint] North Korea-Russia border pics
       Check out BorderBase (http://www.nicolette.dk/borderbase/border.php?c1=118&c2=106) No pictures but a map, and a Boundary Study. Jesper ... From: Craig To:
       Jun 20, 2003 @ 05:19 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10621. Re: North Korea-Russia border pics
       for starters the entire kpru in a single pic http://www.cbprim.ru/pic_txt/tumannaya.jpg with your cnkp bridge probably invisible in foreground & i do believe
       Jun 20, 2003 @ 12:46 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10622. Re: North Korea-Russia border pics
       & please see message 4766 for the rest ... (http://www.nicolette.dk/borderbase/border.php?c1=118&c2=106 ... wet ... of
       Jun 20, 2003 @ 13:04 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10623. Re: North Korea-Russia border pics
       & the also excellent message 5206 makes it clear that any possible dryness on the kpru line has indeed been squeezed out of it tho dont believe what it says
       Jun 20, 2003 @ 13:10 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10624. Re: Lost Places
       hahahahaha this slivovitz on babelfish is totally fupped duck hahahaha can you imagine when the mangoes get all ripe too we will be rolling in the streets ...
       Jun 20, 2003 @ 13:46 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10625. precision tooling mdvawv update
       well the new mdvawv survey coordinates did indeed arrive today from the surveyors office as promised but i have been forced by some very peculiar circumstances
       Jun 20, 2003 @ 21:10 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10626. Fw: Cyprus - New border crossings
       ... From: To: Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 11:23 PM Subject: Cyprus - New border crossings ... in ... TRNC
       Jun 20, 2003 @ 22:01 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10627. LTRU
       * Russian President Vladimir Putin signed the Lithuanian-Russian agreements on the land border and on the exclusive economic zone and the continental shelf in
       Jun 20, 2003 @ 22:03 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10628. many favorite pointers & points here
       http://highpointers.org/newsletter/60
       Jun 20, 2003 @ 23:23 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10629. benin niger tripoints in the balance
       of 24 cases remaining before the international court of justice only 2 involve the adjudication of any land boundaries & of these only the benin niger case has
       Jun 21, 2003 @ 04:02 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10630. Re: LV/EE #2
       ... language. If do you know one of these languages, please ... have visited Budapest, Rome and Lourdes in France. Everywhere we experienced human kindness.
       Jun 21, 2003 @ 04:54 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10631. solstice point try
       http://www.infoplease.com/spot/solstice.html with multiseasonal greetings to all from atop 2003 north that is assuming 1910 universal time equals 1210pm in bp
       Jun 21, 2003 @ 19:10 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
10632. Re: [BoundaryPoint] solstice point try
       Any spot is a good one to toast the solstice, but down at the local with a few friends and a raised glass, as I did this evening, is probably the best. Eight
       Jun 21, 2003 @ 21:20 - Asher Samuels (Asher Samuels <asher972@...>)
10633. Stop crossing that boundary!
       Attached topomap from dk3 Bjerringbro-Tjele municipality boundary. Could be a DK record for road crossed by the same boundary (3 times). There is a 4 timers
       Jun 21, 2003 @ 22:15 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
10635. Re: [BoundaryPoint] solstice point try
       Here in Vancouver, we celebrated the new season with friends, food, and frivolity. There was a lot of talk about travel -- and especially about a certain trip
       Jun 22, 2003 @ 07:36 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
10636. The Nijmegen Centre of Border Research
       The Nijmegen Centre of Border Research «In the dynamics of the internationalisation and globalisation geographical borders are more and more considered as
       Jun 22, 2003 @ 09:35 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
10637. Re: solstice point try
       multinational rays & hurrays for this our first manyfold summer pointing season inaugural class a with asher already winging his way west across the pond today
       Jun 22, 2003 @ 13:42 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10638. Re: Stop crossing that boundary!
       but why stop multicrossing is fun i can remember an unnumbered unimproved ndsd state line road wandering back & forth for many miles over the prairie crossing
       Jun 22, 2003 @ 15:40 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10639. peace charges around bjneng
       & other stunning news of an african everyones land http://www.thisdayonline.com/news/20030622news13.html ... niger ... be ... rather ... thalweg ... allocation
       Jun 22, 2003 @ 17:46 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10640. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Stop crossing that boundary!
       Nice! My first experience with this phenomenon is Hampshire Road, which crosses MA and NH. It crosses the border 4 times (5 if you include Hampshire Street
       Jun 22, 2003 @ 20:01 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
10641. Re: The Nijmegen Centre of Border Research
       Before I comment on the message below, I d like to say that I m a new member of the group who has been silently observing for a few days. I ve been an
       Jun 22, 2003 @ 20:09 - lowellgmcmanus ("lowellgmcmanus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
10642. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: solstice point try
       ... Sounds like fun! Perhaps you know, but the final boundary line is shown superimposed on an aerial photo at
       Jun 22, 2003 @ 21:05 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
10643. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Stop crossing that boundary!
       Sometimes roads that purport to run straight along a surveyed boundary line cannot help but waffle back and forth a little. One case in point is US 59-71,
       Jun 22, 2003 @ 22:07 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
10644. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Stop crossing that boundary!
       ... I never thought about the aspect of different speed limits on divided roads. Jesper
       Jun 22, 2003 @ 22:23 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10645. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Stop crossing that boundary!
       And what if you overtake? ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 12:23 AM Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Stop
       Jun 22, 2003 @ 22:29 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10646. Re: solstice point try
       welcome lowell & thanx a few hundred messages before your arrival we actually did trace this ellis island boundary renovation work thru these web pages you
       Jun 23, 2003 @ 00:03 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10647. Re: The Nijmegen Centre of Border Research
       this is a very sensible response to an already sensible observation insensibly tho ratzels analogy seems to me incomplete or perhaps just obsolescent as states
       Jun 23, 2003 @ 01:22 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10648. Re: Stop crossing that boundary!
       on that particular street if you overtake in the left turn lane or in the oncoming traffic lanes you are already breaking the law in both states regardless of
       Jun 23, 2003 @ 01:34 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10649. How we shall go to Russia?
       (Machine translated from the Russian newspaper Strana Kaliningrad, 18.06.2003) The Great opposition Lithuania and Russia, seems, was finished. Russia has
       Jun 23, 2003 @ 09:38 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
10650. ellis island
       Nice find Lowell. I ll look forward to finding out what the Ellis Island team finds from their excursion to the island in the quest to find the border. I did
       Jun 23, 2003 @ 17:48 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
10651. Marianas Everest's videos
       Mr. Linas (alias Marianas Everest) is the third Lithuanian border freak. He has a great homepage - unfortunately only in Lithuanian language so far (you will
       Jun 23, 2003 @ 18:07 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
10652. Re: ellis island
       ... from their ... whatsoever ... through ... looked at me in ... the ... souvenir items, ... shops. ... located ... thanx dallen this confirmation of a
       Jun 23, 2003 @ 19:26 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10653. Two Austrian tripoints
       I m not sure whether these have been featured on BP, but anyway here they are: AT2BLNOST (Burgenland - Lower Austria - Styria):
       Jun 23, 2003 @ 21:15 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
10654. last of the St Martin pics
       This might work finally--Somehow I got kicked off BoundaryPoint. I didn t think I misbehaved quite that badly. Dallen Computer problems holding me back again.
       Jun 23, 2003 @ 21:32 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
10655. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ellis island
       ... Years ago, I visited an old-fashioned general store called The Alexander Company at Bethany, LATX. The building is about two-thirds in Louisiana and
       Jun 23, 2003 @ 21:48 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
10656. México-Guatemala monument
       Peter s beautiful Austrian tripoint monument reminds me of a beautiful photo on the boundary betweeen México and Guatemala. There s a very classy obelisk, a
       Jun 23, 2003 @ 22:47 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
10657. A tease! (CAUS #0)
       I don t have much time to write all the details or reduce all the photos, but, until I do, here is a shot of the infamous boundary marker #0 on the CAUS --
       Jun 24, 2003 @ 00:18 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
10658. Re: Two Austrian tripoints
       ... BY, which ... codes ... clearly they werent expecting the likes of us nor ever imagined anyone would become so devoted to talking in diglyphs & hexaglyphs
       Jun 24, 2003 @ 00:34 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10659. Re: [BoundaryPoint] last of the St Martin pics
       one question: In picture #3, I can t quite tell...is this the entire bridge, Dutch side looking into french territory? Or is this all French territory in the
       Jun 24, 2003 @ 01:04 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
10660. Re: last of the St Martin pics
       ... BoundaryPoint. I didn t ... wow congrats this is practically impossible to do but more to the point welcome back & nice follow thru & i too am not sure
       Jun 24, 2003 @ 01:08 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10661. RE: [BoundaryPoint] A tease! (CAUS #0)
       Great! Jan ... Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.491 / Virus Database: 290 -
       Jun 24, 2003 @ 05:35 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
10662. tibet wink for mango deal etc as cnin border pact stalls
       http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/EF25Df01.html http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/uncomp/articl eshow?msid=39530
       Jun 24, 2003 @ 13:14 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10663. Re: [BoundaryPoint] A tease! (CAUS #0)
       What is its size? [ i mean the size of the bm, not the jpg ;-) ] gl Harry ten Veen
       Jun 24, 2003 @ 19:18 - Harry ten Veen (Harry ten Veen <h.ten.veen@...>)
10664. Re: [BoundaryPoint] A tease! (CAUS #0)
       About 3 inches across. Not very big. More details coming, I promise! ... ... Doug Murray Productions - Border Films CBC POV Sports - CBC
       Jun 24, 2003 @ 19:53 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
10665. Re: [BoundaryPoint] A tease! (CAUS #0)
       Yes! Just like the marker 554 W that we saw outside the divided apartment in Stanstead / Derby Line. -Mike ... __________________________________ Do you
       Jun 24, 2003 @ 21:54 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
10666. RE: [BoundaryPoint] last of the St Martin pics
       Mike, Sorry I forgot to answer your question. This is indeed the entire bridge. I m standing on the Dutch side looking into French territory. Apparently the
       Jun 24, 2003 @ 23:05 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
10667. sikkim added to tibet mango deal at last moment
       http://www.financialexpress.com/fe_full_story.php?content_id=3 6930 so at least that should settle 2 of the 6 tripoints eventually
       Jun 25, 2003 @ 00:27 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10668. CAUS: A visit to Point Roberts -- Monday June 24, 2002
       Hello Border Freaks! Here the digital images from my visit to Point Roberts, Washington with a representative of the International Boundary Commission. We
       Jun 25, 2003 @ 01:23 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
10669. Re: [BoundaryPoint] A tease! (CAUS #0)
       Right you are, fellow border freak! Memories of borders crossed. Hey -- that s the title of my biography! ... ... Doug Murray Productions - Border
       Jun 25, 2003 @ 02:59 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
10670. more ado about zero
       another caus monument 0 occurs near hyder alaska in fact at the corresponding point of beginning on dry causn as you can see here
       Jun 25, 2003 @ 03:20 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10671. RE: [BoundaryPoint] last of the St Martin pics
       Nice!!! Thanks. :) -Mike ... http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/ySSFAA/WkiolB/TM ... ...
       Jun 25, 2003 @ 03:49 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
10672. TNVA, a Bristol question
       Does anybody know the exact end points of a 1901 official relocation of the TNVA state boundary through downtown Bristol? Here s the history: When this
       Jun 25, 2003 @ 04:32 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
10673. Re: TNVA, a Bristol question
       lowell i am fairly sure you got the end points pretty much right but that the jogs have been covered by later construction whether they were ever actually
       Jun 25, 2003 @ 13:19 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10674. Re: last of the St Martin pics
       we have seen this purportedly international bridge between captain olivers hotel & his floating or elevated restaurant before & have marvelled at the allegedly
       Jun 25, 2003 @ 14:12 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10675. Re: precision tooling mdvawv update
       okayy the surveyors have finally corrected & sorted everything out for us & i am pleased to report the following superfine mdvawv coords have now been
       Jun 25, 2003 @ 18:25 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10676. Interprovincial municipality, ABSK
       As a new member I m glad I checked the group archives before I posted this. I see that you have discussed Lloydminster, ABSK, as recently as May. For a week
       Jun 25, 2003 @ 22:25 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
10677. Re: Interprovincial municipality, ABSK
       would you accept a quinticounty city ... I posted this. I ... as May. ... celebrating the ... the provinces ... Northwest Territories in ... city. ...
       Jun 25, 2003 @ 22:54 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10678. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Interprovincial municipality, ABSK
       I presume you re talking about NYC, which I don t think fits his question. While five different counties make up the city, county functions are all derived
       Jun 25, 2003 @ 23:18 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
10679. Re: Interprovincial municipality, ABSK
       hahahaha well he asked for an interjurisdictional municipality & i only meant to ask him if he would accept one ... question. ... are all ... that ... before
       Jun 25, 2003 @ 23:17 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10680. Re: Interprovincial municipality, ABSK
       & would either of you believe akwesasne nyonqc & more specifically its capital city saint regis nyqc & btw this is easily the most interesting spot on caus
       Jun 25, 2003 @ 23:35 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10681. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Interprovincial municipality, ABSK
       Yes, that s what I meant, but a quinticounty city is interesting in its own way. Municipalities are typically creatures of their state, province, or whatever.
       Jun 25, 2003 @ 23:59 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
10682. TnVa
       Re the Bristol rejig between Va and Tn. The Tennessee act was 28 Jan 1901, approved by Va 9 Feb 1901 and Congress 3 Mar 1901. see 31 Stat. L. 1465,, see 190
       Jun 26, 2003 @ 00:02 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
10683. Re: [BoundaryPoint] TnVa
       I, too, have Franklin K. Van Zandt s BOUNDARIES OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE SEVERAL STATES, but locating the cited documents is the hard part. Lowell G.
       Jun 26, 2003 @ 03:10 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
10684. Re: Interprovincial municipality, ABSK
       wait lowell with lloydminster as your example you cant have meant multi anything but must have meant only interjurisdictionally or bijurisdictionally chartered
       Jun 26, 2003 @ 05:28 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10685. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Interprovincial municipality, ABSK
       How about Brcko, Bosnia; a condominium between Srpska Repun and the Republic of Bosnia and Herzogovena. I am sorry, but could not find documentation. Jesper
       Jun 26, 2003 @ 05:33 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10686. lake prespa tripoint
       some albania/greece/macedonia pics attached marcel __________________________________________________________________ Qtal! de vodafone te descubre una forma
       Jun 26, 2003 @ 11:21 - marcelmiquel@vodafone.es (<marcelmiquel@vodafone.es>)
10687. Re: Interprovincial municipality, ABSK
       bravo brcko multiple & inspirational http://www.intl-crisis-group.org/projects/showreport.cfm?reportid =987 ... Repun and the Republic of Bosnia and
       Jun 26, 2003 @ 12:42 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10688. Re: lake prespa tripoint
       breathtaking as usual marcel but you have outdone even the spirit of improvement itself here because our wonderful buildup to the present culmination thru
       Jun 26, 2003 @ 15:32 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10689. Re: Interprovincial municipality, ABSK
       ... anywhere else on ... It might take a little research to determine if this fits, but Alexandria VA a possible candidate. Part of it was formerly within the
       Jun 26, 2003 @ 16:04 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10690. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Interprovincial municipality, ABSK
       While I certainly meant that Lloydminster is bijurisdictionally chartered, I also included the term multijurisdictionally as a sop to any possible example
       Jun 26, 2003 @ 16:30 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
10691. local south ctri squabble flares up clear to ctmari
       bogus membership graciously accepted here http://www.projo.com/news/content/projo_20030626_bord26.d1 87c.html but if you are a nonjoiner on principle the
       Jun 26, 2003 @ 17:20 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10692. Brcko
       Ah, Brcko! A stop on last year s GEEBE! F1520001 F1520009 F1520010 bravo brcko multiple & inspirational
       Jun 26, 2003 @ 17:26 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
10693. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Interprovincial municipality, ABSK
       I ll let others address the European issues, but I will speak to Alexandria. The town s first government was set up under a Virginia colonial act in 1749. It
       Jun 26, 2003 @ 19:15 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
10694. Re: Interprovincial municipality, ABSK
       ... chartered, I ... possible example ... jurisdictions. To me, ... it can mean ... hahahaha ok i take it back you can mean this if you like hahaha but hey
       Jun 26, 2003 @ 19:22 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10695. my next orgy party
       hey, i ll be having another big orgy party in about 3 weeks, and wanted to send out another invitation to see who wants to come to this one. if you were at the
       Jun 26, 2003 @ 20:11 - ragtop_amy1 ("ragtop_amy1" <ragtop_amy1@...>)
10696. Re: [BoundaryPoint] lake prespa tripoint
       Are these your own photos? Jesper ... From: marcelmiquel@vodafone.es To: Boundary Point Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 1:21 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] lake
       Jun 26, 2003 @ 20:39 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10697. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Interprovincial municipality, ABSK
       I will concede to Acroorca (and his multitude of Roman friends) that multi- would best be restricted on etymological grounds to a meaning of more than two.
       Jun 26, 2003 @ 20:30 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
10698. more mdvawv rushes
       with luck the attached experimental scan from the recorded plat of the official vawv survey which arrived in the mail today will zoom in further from this best
       Jun 26, 2003 @ 22:24 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@hotmail.com>)
10699. mdvawv splat retry
       thanx for your patience http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=18&n=4355935&e=265693&s=25&symshow=n the prospective new mdvawv is point 6292 on the attachment
       Jun 26, 2003 @ 23:35 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@hotmail.com>)
10701. multijurisdictional cities
       A joint municipality for Albury (NSW) and Wodonga (Vic) either side of the Murray River in SE Australia has been proposed over the years, most recently only a
       Jun 27, 2003 @ 04:23 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
10702. Brcko - Republic of Srpska
       From: http://www.vladars.net/en/srpska/geografija.html : «Geography of Republic of Srpska The size, shape and borders of the Republic of Srpska The frontiers
       Jun 27, 2003 @ 07:23 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
10703. DE refuse DEDK bridge plans
       http://www.berlingske.dk/indland/artikel:aiid=335350/
       Jun 27, 2003 @ 09:43 - jesniel@image.dk (jesniel@...)
10704. next border expedition to set sail shortly
       Dear BP members - the third int l border expedition = the Great Baltic Border Expedition (GBBE) sets sail shortly...on Wednesday, July 9 seven hardcore
       Jun 27, 2003 @ 10:12 - Peter Hering (Peter Hering <hering@...>)
10705. Re: next border expedition to set sail shortly
       All the very best and return home safely! Peter S. BTW: LTPLRU is also a secondary quadropoint acc. to http://www.jezioro.com.pl/krajoznawstwo/index.html?
       Jun 27, 2003 @ 11:18 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
10706. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: next border expedition to set sail shortly
       Peter S., What is this text about?: ŤWspomniany trójstyk granic oznaczony jest niewysokim, bialym postumentem; dobrze widoczny jest z szosy prowadzacej z
       Jun 27, 2003 @ 11:29 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
10707. Re: next border expedition to set sail shortly
       ... postumentem; ... Znajduje sie ... The mentioned tripoint is marked by a low, white pedestal; it is clearly visible from the road from Zytkiejmy to
       Jun 27, 2003 @ 11:35 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
10708. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: next border expedition to set sail shortly
       Thanks Peter, When we were at LTPLRU (entering from LT side) we could not see any such marker at the tp itself. I expect the mentioned road is only several
       Jun 27, 2003 @ 11:51 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
10709. Re: next border expedition to set sail shortly
       Hello Peter and Trekkers Will the group be visiting Bornholm (Denmark)? I am a cyclist who enjoys biking around Nordic Europe. My next trip will be an off-
       Jun 27, 2003 @ 12:24 - Craig ("Craig" <trehala@...>)
10710. Re: next border expedition to set sail shortly
       ... such ... ???? And the white pointy thing, on which you are sitting in the picture on your site, and enjoying it by the looks of it ??? One might call it a
       Jun 27, 2003 @ 12:26 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
10711. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: next border expedition to set sail shortly
       Ok, when I wrote my question I had solely in mind the PL municipality marker - not the tp marker - as I do not remember as especially low :-) Jan ...
       Jun 27, 2003 @ 12:42 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
10712. Re: next border expedition to set sail shortly
       ... picture ... ahh but this is the hardcore research
       Jun 27, 2003 @ 13:07 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10713. Re: next border expedition to set sail shortly
       Well, in that case I ll explain before we continue to communicate on different wavelengths. The Polish site only mentions the fact that the tripoint is also
       Jun 27, 2003 @ 14:15 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
10714. From the same Polish site... PLl
       PLl (=Poland low): http://www.jezioro.com.pl/krajoznawstwo/pics/najnizszy1.jpg http://www.jezioro.com.pl/krajoznawstwo/pics/najnizszy2.jpg Location: Near
       Jun 27, 2003 @ 14:30 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
10715. Re: next border expedition to set sail shortly
       yes indeed peter i concur with my other rock colleague here in wishing you & all yours the very best of both luck & skill indeed at this ethereal level as you
       Jun 27, 2003 @ 14:50 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10716. tibet sikkim mango deal explained
       http://www.gulf-news.com/Articles/Opinion.asp?ArticleID=91249 ... http://www.financialexpress.com/fe_full_story.php?content_id=3
       Jun 27, 2003 @ 18:06 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10717. Re: lake prespa tripoint
       The photos are from several sites on the web. You can follow the links: http://www.prespa.org.mk/Angl_Web/Lake_prespa.htm
       Jun 27, 2003 @ 19:36 - marcelmiquelcat ("marcelmiquelcat" <marcelmiquel@...>)
10718. Re: multijurisdictional cities
       hahahaha i only just got your title good one hahaah a nomenclatural fiasco of peneclavic proportions & another nice lame example try too very droll yet brcko &
       Jun 27, 2003 @ 20:12 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10719. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: next border expedition to set sail shortly
       Craig Welcome to Denmark. While at Bornholm you could attempt to visit dke, a small uninhabited island east of Bornholm called Østerskær. But then you would
       Jun 27, 2003 @ 20:49 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10720. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: next border expedition to set sail shortly
       ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: next border expedition to set
       Jun 27, 2003 @ 20:49 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
10721. "Eating in two countries at once"
       http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2987376.stm great story....now i need to read up on piran bay. tim
       Jun 27, 2003 @ 22:34 - timothykiser ("timothykiser" <timothykiser@...>)
10722. Re: [BoundaryPoint] "Eating in two countries at once"
       Great story map: http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?email=1&mapdat Jesper ... From: timothykiser To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 28,
       Jun 27, 2003 @ 22:47 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10723. Re: "Eating in two countries at once"
       & the map was greater still but of what navajos peeing in 4 states at once ... Service.
       Jun 28, 2003 @ 00:08 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10724. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: "Eating in two countries at once"
       This map should stick around for 90 days. http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?savedMap=1056775620 Jesper ... From: acroorca2002 To:
       Jun 28, 2003 @ 04:50 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10725. west-east german border
       www.grenzer.com is a us site about west and eastgerman border -- +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging & more http://www.gmx.net +++ Bitte lächeln! Fotogalerie online
       Jun 28, 2003 @ 07:19 - udomet@gmx.de (udomet@...)
10726. atczde
       http://www.stara-sumava.cz/trojmezensko/trojmezensko.htm Nice postcards( 1910- 1933 ) from the tripoint on the first link (trojmezí), and comparative photos
       Jun 28, 2003 @ 10:41 - marcelmiquelcat ("marcelmiquelcat" <marcelmiquel@...>)
10727. Re: atczde
       ... an ... i wonder why austrian monuments are always so beautiful a closeup of this one is in the message 5532 link absolutely stunning perhaps this was a tri
       Jun 28, 2003 @ 14:04 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10728. Re: [BoundaryPoint] atczde
       ... tristolicnik = three armchair, is the old three border point Bohemia, Austria, Bavaria with border agreement beetwen empire A, kingdom Bohemia and
       Jun 28, 2003 @ 14:37 - udomet@gmx.de (udomet@...)
10729. Re: atczde
       ... dnes). ... this an ... Bohemia, ... ahh then a tri throne point for the armchairs of 1 emperor & 1 king & 1 prince so by metonymy a tri sovereign point is
       Jun 29, 2003 @ 00:37 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10730. Re: next border expedition to set sail shortly
       maybe you were more prescient here than you realized peter for our pchbe or petite central hudson border exhortation does indeed appear to be setting sail from
       Jun 29, 2003 @ 02:03 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10731. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: next border expedition to set sail shortly
       Good luck on your expedition!! ... ... Doug Murray Productions - Border Films CBC POV Sports - CBC Infomatrix 1211 Cotton Drive Vancouver BC
       Jun 29, 2003 @ 02:12 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
10732. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: next border expedition to set sail shortly
       And, in the effort of creating another message, I must tell you I did miss BCCAWAW and BCCAWAE (is there an E?). My film photographs are all pointed due east.
       Jun 29, 2003 @ 02:21 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
10733. Kaliningrad
       Russia, Saint-Petersburg Date: 2003.06.28 16:35 Vladimir Putin: Kaliningrad Should Become Cooperation Zone for Russia and EU KALININGRAD, June 28. Kaliningrad
       Jun 29, 2003 @ 02:33 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
10734. DEFRLU + BEDELU
       Jesper
       Jun 29, 2003 @ 05:55 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
10735. Border Crossing Hitlist
       I have added some statistics to the site, which live at http://www.nicolette.dk/hitlist/. Interesting, we have still 5 virgin border crossings in Europe:
       Jun 29, 2003 @ 06:08 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10736. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border Crossing Hitlist
       ... I wrote Niger-Nigeria, but meant Chad-Nigeria! Jesper
       Jun 29, 2003 @ 06:22 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10737. Re: Border Crossing Hitlist
       ... today new njny the invisible if we can even find it tomorrow the world
       Jun 29, 2003 @ 09:26 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10738. Re: next border expedition to set sail shortly
       ... an E?). ... not at all indeed it is good to have somewhere to go admittedly it is a little confusing but reading from left to right bccawaw point roberts
       Jun 29, 2003 @ 09:35 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10739. Re: [BoundaryPoint] atczde
       ... The text at
       Jun 29, 2003 @ 09:46 - Pepijn Hendriks ("Pepijn Hendriks" <pepijnh@...>)
10740. Re: atczde
       Thank you! marcel ... meet.
       Jun 29, 2003 @ 10:56 - marcelmiquelcat ("marcelmiquelcat" <marcelmiquel@...>)
10741. Re: next border expedition to set sail shortly
       ... authorities? ... To the best of my knowledge, territories like these did exist in the Netherlands, but not anymore. All polders in the IJsselmeer (former
       Jun 29, 2003 @ 12:09 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
10742. Re: DEFRLU + BEDELU
       Great document! Where did you get that from? Peter S.
       Jun 29, 2003 @ 12:11 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
10743. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: DEFRLU + BEDELU
       From my dear border friend, Mats from Sweden. But I think (= don t know) it s part of a larger document on DELU, called Grenzvermessung Deutchlands-Luxembourg
       Jun 29, 2003 @ 14:11 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10744. Re: DEFRLU + BEDELU
       Hello Peter and Jesper, You re partly right, Jesper! The book you mentioned contains serveral maps of the border DELU on the incredible 1:5000 scale, but only
       Jun 29, 2003 @ 16:56 - Jannis Deeleman ("Jannis Deeleman" <deeleman@...>)
10745. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: next border expedition to set sail shortly
       ... authorities? ... Well, both Svalbard and Jan Mayen are not a part of any local authority. Of course I have in mind that both of these are Norwegian
       Jun 29, 2003 @ 17:22 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
10746. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: next border expedition to set sail shortly
       There are many of these strange attachments to countries like Åland islands, Greeland, Jersey etc etc. We know them, we geography freaks. But these islands do
       Jun 29, 2003 @ 18:36 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10747. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: next border expedition to set sail shortly
       Maybe you misunderstood me, Jesper. Or I did not catch what you have in mind. As far as I know the Åland islands as well as Greenland and Jersey all do have
       Jun 29, 2003 @ 19:05 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
10748. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: next border expedition to set sail shortly
       Well, Christiansø and Frederiksø are normal, regular, integrated parts of ordinary Denmark. Greenland and the Faro islands aren t. But Christiansø and
       Jun 29, 2003 @ 19:13 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10749. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: next border expedition to set sail shortly
       ... I m surprised that nobody has mentioned Palmyra Atoll, which is an incorporated territory of the USA (the last one left), but has no local government. See
       Jun 29, 2003 @ 20:53 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
10750. Monument on MXUS rail bridge
       I have placed onto the web for your viewing pleasure at www.mexlist.com/mxus/ a group of photos of the boundary monument on the international railway bridge
       Jun 30, 2003 @ 03:02 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
10751. Re: DEFRLU + BEDELU
       I second the exclamation that this was a super map. I ruffled through the topographical maps listed on the website of the Landesvermessungsamt Jesper left on
       Jun 30, 2003 @ 03:28 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10752. Re: Monument on MXUS rail bridge
       Wow! Two vertical sovereignty issues in one day.... LN ... www.mexlist.com/mxus/ a ... railway bridge ... taken from ... the two ... accretion since ... The
       Jun 30, 2003 @ 03:32 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10753. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: DEFRLU + BEDELU
       ... According to the Legend, the pink is the joint sovereignty area - and the piece of land is not in pink, not in Luxembourg proper and not in Germany proper,
       Jun 30, 2003 @ 04:31 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
10754. Kovno Gubernia Border Marker
       Hello everybody! Last weekend in Rokiskis museum here in Lithuania I found an internal Russian border marker which has been used prior to 1918 to mark the
       Jun 30, 2003 @ 12:37 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
10755. Re: DEFRLU + BEDELU & eagle pass
       thanxx twice lowell for even without having seen the maps i am practically certain your analysis is correct & just the latest on our long trail of busted
       Jun 30, 2003 @ 13:08 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10756. Re: DEFRLU + BEDELU & eagle pass
       I think the answers to the question of their being dry land areas within the DE-LUX condo will be answered when we see the treaty text. I ve ordered a copy of
       Jun 30, 2003 @ 13:43 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10757. Re: next border expedition to set sail shortly
       since it is already surprising that these questions neither of which involves anything terribly unusual keep coming up at all it is almost no surprise to find
       Jun 30, 2003 @ 14:05 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10758. Re: DEFRLU + BEDELU & eagle pass
       ... treaty text. i thought we already knew there are many such dry areas ... great ... here in ... under the ... river ... great you are on the leading edge of
       Jun 30, 2003 @ 14:15 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10759. Re: DEFRLU + BEDELU & eagle pass
       len of course this question refers only to the accreted sectors & not to the avulsed ones at all where there is no question the markers do rule & then if you
       Jun 30, 2003 @ 14:58 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10760. Re: Kovno Gubernia Border Marker
       ... internal ... boundary ... imperial ... Mmm... Maybe I can offer you some consolation. A nice Russian border marker, complete with coat-of-arms, from former
       Jun 30, 2003 @ 15:23 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
10761. for the record & the exhortation
       ok well i see we still have a nice try going here for the bp monthly message total record but yikes i figure we still need about 30 more messages in the next
       Jun 30, 2003 @ 15:43 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
10762. Re: DEFRLU + BEDELU
       ... white. ... and ... in ... island that ... wall that ... the lower map. ... condominium. ... the condo are ... everything ... and white lands ... condo are
       Jun 30, 2003 @ 15:46 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
10763. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: next border expedition to set sail shortly
       I do disagree with you, but it probably depends which part of the world you have in sight. When Jesper told about Christiansø and Fredriksø I nearly leapt
       Jun 30, 2003 @ 15:52 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
10764. Re: [BoundaryPoint] for the record & the exhortation
       Details! Please! ... ... Doug Murray Productions - Border Films CBC POV Sports - CBC Infomatrix 1211 Cotton Drive Vancouver BC Canada
       Jun 30, 2003 @ 16:27 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
10765. Re: Monument on MXUS rail bridge
       ... www.mexlist.com/mxus/ a ... railway bridge ... taken from ... (as the two ... accretion since ... Boundary ... The boundary ... remains ... bridge, where
       Jun 30, 2003 @ 16:29 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
10766. Re: Kovno Gubernia Border Marker
       ahh excuse me peter i hadnt noticed you arriving with this when i only thought i was left here alone hmm it seems to suggest all those tall barber poles may be
       Jun 30, 2003 @ 16:46 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10767. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Kovno Gubernia Border Marker
       Thanks, Peter S.! It helped :-) I will overcome. Jan ... Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
       Jun 30, 2003 @ 17:09 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
10768. Re: Three-dimensional boundaries
       thanx again for this golden oldie i agree that the situation is as described here both at this place & in many other places in the world except for the
       Jun 30, 2003 @ 17:21 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10769. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Three-dimensional boundaries
       Concerning 3D underwater - is there any better than this at AUPG we discussed earlier this month? Jan ... wrote: ... surface? ... Yahoo!
       Jun 30, 2003 @ 17:27 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
10770. And another Austrian tripoint
       ATSI2BUSTPM a.k.a. Maria-Theresienstein: Austria (Burgenland, Styria) - Slovenia (Pomurska) Also on pre-WW-I ATHU, and in 1919-1921 it was the tripoint ATHUYU.
       Jun 30, 2003 @ 17:32 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
10771. Re: Three-dimensional boundaries
       oranges & apples sovereign rights vs sovereignty ... AUPG we ... Service. ... 25.06.03
       Jun 30, 2003 @ 17:35 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10772. New poll for BoundaryPoint
       Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the BoundaryPoint group: Talk about crossing boundaries...! Somewhat off topic, but how many BP members
       Jun 30, 2003 @ 17:44 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com (BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com )
10773. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: next border expedition to set sail shortly
       This islands are, as I said before directly under the Ministry of Defence. I was looking for other MoD sites in DK like Christiania in Copenhagen hoping the
       Jun 30, 2003 @ 19:52 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10774. Re: for the record & the exhortation
       ok thanx so after all that & lots of other improbabilities not yet mentioned we finally arrive at ellis island & the ferry practically deposits us right on top
       Jun 30, 2003 @ 20:01 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10775. Message to the IWBC about bridge monuments
       The web site of the International Boundary and Water Commission (US Section) invites questions by e-mail from members of the public to the Public Affairs
       Jun 30, 2003 @ 22:29 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
10776. Re: And another Austrian tripoint
       thanx peter & this ones a beauty for being so ugly indeed the first such outstanding austrian example i can recall & let me also congratulate & promote your
       Jun 30, 2003 @ 22:29 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10777. Re: Message to the IWBC about bridge monuments
       brilliant maestro thank you congrats are already in order no matter what the result & the only remaining question i might have if the border does jump from the
       Jun 30, 2003 @ 22:40 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10778. property straddles border-municipal / county / state / national???
       How do the various local / state governments treat property owners when their property falls on, or is divided by, a governmental border. Are the taxes
       Jun 30, 2003 @ 23:14 - voit1 ("voit1" <voit1@...>)
10779. Re: next border expedition to set sail shortly
       ahh ok you may well be right about europe as i havent examined all its coastal islets & rocks closely or we may be talking about different things & i simply
       Jun 30, 2003 @ 23:38 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10780. Re: property straddles border-municipal / county / state / national???
       ... owners ... entities? yes absolutely ... both ... counties to go ... (CA/US) it is exactly the same but the property owners sometimes lose a few feet to the
       Jun 30, 2003 @ 23:43 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10781. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: DEFRLU + BEDELU & eagle pass
       I do not really think for one minute that the USA/Mexico boundary is anything other than absolutely vertical. I agree with Acroorca that, IF the monuments
       Jun 30, 2003 @ 23:27 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
10782. Re: DEFRLU + BEDELU & eagle pass
       ... boundary is anything ... monuments ... probably jogs away from ... the fixed ... vertical are ... (and would still ... i agree with acroorca too but here
       Jul 01, 2003 @ 00:53 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10783. record try & exhortation continued
       of course the actual boundary exhortation try & serenade so well begin by us all including not only asher & arif & me but all the other participants &
       Jul 01, 2003 @ 02:15 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10784. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: DEFRLU + BEDELU & eagle pass
       Investigating this topic has convinced me of one certainty: The IWBC and the IBC are two agencies with little in common. The IBC s largest operation seems to
       Jul 01, 2003 @ 02:44 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
10785. fading fast
       ok i see i must have put you all to sleep also & can hardly feel the keyboard any more myself & there is no point doing it all by myself anyway so i will just
       Jul 01, 2003 @ 03:13 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10786. Re: [BoundaryPoint] record try & exhortation continued
       ... Do you think the National Park Service could be a little miffed because New Jersey stirred things up a bit? I wonder if the park employees (or any of them)
       Jul 01, 2003 @ 03:14 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
10787. Re: [BoundaryPoint] property straddles border-municipal / county / state / national???
       In Denmark you live in the municipality where you bedroom is. In Baarle (BE/NL) who live in the country where you main door is. And in Derby Line, US? Jesper
       Oct 09, 2002 @ 05:44 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10788. Re: [BoundaryPoint] property straddles border-municipal / county / state / national???
       Jesper, ... How on earth do the authorities know where your bedroom is? ... At least it s reasonably impractical for most people to move their front door
       Jul 01, 2003 @ 08:36 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
10789. Re: And another Austrian tripoint
       ... I use capitals because ISO 3166 (country codes) does; lower case is used for ISO 639-1 (language codes). Thus, FR is France, NL is the Netherlands, DE is
       Jul 01, 2003 @ 11:03 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
10790. Re: Message to the IWBC about bridge monuments
       Lowell, No sweat about the competition issue. Your good questions saved me a trip and a dose of disappointment. Once I d found that the rep was in the
       Jul 01, 2003 @ 11:26 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10791. Re: record try & exhortation continued
       lowell ... because New ... yes it could just be the futility oriented bureaucrats it which case it should be easy to bypass them but i really dont know this
       Jul 01, 2003 @ 13:07 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10792. Re: [BoundaryPoint] property straddles border-municipal / county / state / national???
       ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:44 AM Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] property straddles
       Jul 01, 2003 @ 13:26 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
10793. Re: [BoundaryPoint] property straddles border-municipal / county / state / national???
       Denmark is so organized that they know everything about you. I read the bedroom story many years ago. A family staying right on the municipality line (can t
       Oct 09, 2002 @ 20:27 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10794. Re: [BoundaryPoint] property straddles border-municipal / county / state / national???
       Well, the are no divided houses on the Danish-German border. Jesper ... From: John Seeliger To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 3:26
       Oct 09, 2002 @ 20:28 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10795. Re: [BoundaryPoint] property straddles border-municipal / county / state / national???
       Go to http://gis.frederiksberg.dk/frederiksberg/kort.htm And find Værnedamsvej on the list, and any house number. Luftfoto means Arial photo. Jesper ... From:
       Jul 01, 2003 @ 20:45 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10796. Re: property straddles border-municipal / county / state / national???
       ... The street may be divided, but not the houses. Or did I miss something? Peter S.
       Jul 01, 2003 @ 21:45 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
10797. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: property straddles border-municipal / county / state / national???
       The border takes strange turns in the street. But if you compare the ariel photos (which shows the border line) with the map (which does not show the border)
       Jul 01, 2003 @ 22:10 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10798. IWBC comes through!
       I have received an e-mail response to the list of questions that I sent to the International Boundary and Water Commission yesterday! A gentleman in the IWBC s
       Jul 01, 2003 @ 23:34 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
10799. Re: [BoundaryPoint] IWBC comes through!
       AND THEY VE DONE IT YET AGAIN! I have received another message from the IWBC, which I will paste below (with my ... Dear Mr. McManus: I wanted to acknowledge
       Jul 02, 2003 @ 00:05 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
10800. Re: mxus for xmus
       well it is definitely july everywhere on earth now including bp & a careful review of our message board & june totals reveals that we did not in fact succeed
       Jul 02, 2003 @ 00:56 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10801. Re: IWBC comes through!
       good on ya lowell ... international boundary ... well we do count at least 1 such authority among our members & he once even complimented us all with a fresh
       Jul 02, 2003 @ 01:51 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10802. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: IWBC comes through!
       You did indeed help me frame and articulate the questions! There s enough compliment (and credit) to go around. Lowell ... From: acroorca2002
       Jul 02, 2003 @ 02:16 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
10803. DeDk marker # 1
       Dear BP mates, attached pls find a picture taken a few days ago at the eastern end of the 68 km long DeDk border at Skomagerhus/Schusterkate - a great place
       Jul 02, 2003 @ 07:03 - Peter Hering (Peter Hering <hering@mail.dk>)
10804. FW: Interview with Mr. Gruzas, head of State Border group, LT MFA
       Today I have been spoken to the head of International Treaties Division Mr. Ridas Petkus and Ambassador at Large Mr. Edvardas Gružas, both at Lithuanian MFA.
       Jul 02, 2003 @ 10:02 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
10805. Fwd: Tokary (PL)- Takary (BY)
       
       Jul 02, 2003 @ 12:53 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@interia.pl>)
10806. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Fwd: Tokary (PL)- Takary (BY)
       Artur, Great report and photo! Thank you very much. The situation is very much the same as at Lithuanian border to her Slavic countries. Here is a machine
       Jul 02, 2003 @ 14:15 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
10807. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Fwd: Tokary (PL)- Takary (BY)
       Artur, I forgot to ask you - on the right of the Polish marker no. 1371 it seems there is one more marker. But what is it? Jan ... Outgoing mail is certified
       Jul 02, 2003 @ 15:00 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
10808. Re: Fwd: Tokary (PL)- Takary (BY)
       the one on the right of 1371 looks like an ordinary fence post but if you mean the little one on its left or in between the pair of indirect unilateral border
       Jul 02, 2003 @ 16:04 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10809. The IBWC speaks!!!
       Mr. Manuel Rubio, Jr. of the IBWC was in his El Paso office shortly after 7:30 (his time) this morning phoning me with answers to my e-mailed questions of
       Jul 02, 2003 @ 17:56 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
10810. Re: The IBWC speaks!!!
       Greetings, Lowell. Gee! A responsive federal agency. I wonder if one were looking for ajob it would go that fast. It s clear there is a differnce between
       Jul 02, 2003 @ 18:58 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10811. Re: The IBWC speaks!!!
       Maybe you don t have to wait for Mr. Rubio... the commission website has treaties, synopses of them and minutes of meetings posted at:
       Jul 02, 2003 @ 19:06 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10812. Re: Monument on MXUS rail bridge
       It turned out that treaties weren t on the website - it said instead: Contact Ray Gomez at (915)832-4142 Copies of specific IBWC Minute agreements are
       Jul 02, 2003 @ 19:30 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10813. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: The IBWC speaks!!!
       Yes, but it only has three sentences about the 1970 treaty. I had not previously found the minutes. Thanks. I am now beginning to investigate them. You
       Jul 02, 2003 @ 20:30 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
10814. Re: DEFRLU + BEDELU & eagle pass
       ... the ... reach ... the ... of ... jure ... to ... owns ... to ... my compliments on the above analyses & predictions by us from start to finish tho one
       Jul 02, 2003 @ 22:19 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10815. Re: The IBWC speaks!!!
       ... beginning to ... minutes regarding the ... of the 1970 ... shown by an ... aha & doesnt this wording whether intended or not also establish a boundary
       Jul 02, 2003 @ 23:06 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10816. Re: The IBWC speaks!!!
       Well, then, assuming nothing other than vertical sovereignty exists, ... U S A | river | ... Mexico picks up territory under the bridge as the river
       Jul 03, 2003 @ 00:31 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10817. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: The IBWC speaks!!!
       ... I agree! Thus, it would be somewhat analogous to a monumented land boundary, regardless of how poorly surveyed. In my perusal of the really old Minutes
       Jul 03, 2003 @ 01:32 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
10818. Re: The IBWC speaks!!!
       Did the minutes say boundary on the rebuilt bridge or was it written or to be possibly taken colloquially to be read boundary MARKER on the rebuilt bridge
       Jul 03, 2003 @ 03:11 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10819. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: The IBWC speaks!!!
       ... The minutes dealt with monumentation on the rebuilt bridges. In one case, it was know that the former mounment had been located on the third pier from
       Jul 03, 2003 @ 04:13 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
10820. Re: The IBWC speaks!!!
       ... marker ... monumented land boundary, ... old Minutes ... that had burned ... rebuilt on the same ... the boundary on the ... old, without ... theory that a
       Jul 03, 2003 @ 13:59 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10821. Re: The IBWC speaks!!! - Key Treaty Part
       Article 4 of the US-Mex Treaty of Nov 12, 1884 reads: If any international bridge have been or shall be built across either rivers named [i.e., Rio Grande and
       Jul 03, 2003 @ 14:44 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10822. Re: The IBWC speaks!!!
       ahh okay lowell i may have just glimpsed your meaning & certainly a beautiful idea what if the suspension of the normal laws of reality had actually been
       Jul 03, 2003 @ 16:08 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10823. Re: The IBWC speaks!!! - Key Treaty Part
       essential find & question in the absence of any specific language that suspends the normal regime of vertical continuity in favor of an exceptional regime of
       Jul 03, 2003 @ 16:22 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10824. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: The IBWC speaks!!! - Key Treaty Part
       Eureka! I think L.N. has found it! Thank you! Yes! The old treaty actually codifies that BOTH the bridge AND THE GROUND UNDER IT (however unclearly defined
       Jul 03, 2003 @ 16:55 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
10825. as postulated or qed
       which you may recall was also where we began still wanting after witnessing many busted tries claims & hopes to see hard evidence anywhere in the world today
       Jul 03, 2003 @ 17:28 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10826. Re: [BoundaryPoint] as postulated or qed
       That happened before my happy arrival in the group. I originally shared the bridge photos only to document an thought-provoking monumentation. I was never
       Jul 03, 2003 @ 17:44 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
10827. Re: as postulated or qed
       ah so lowell of course & all i meant you may recall in your & our particular case where you & we began was 10750 10751 10752 10755 etc tho i must say i have
       Jul 03, 2003 @ 18:19 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10828. MXUS Treaty of 1970
       I have found the Spanish text of the mxus boundary treaty of 1970 on-line in the web site of the Secretaría de Relaciones Exteriores. It is scanned from the
       Jul 03, 2003 @ 18:18 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
10829. New Lithuanian Exclave/Enclave?
       Many years ago I remember I saw an article in Lietuvos rytas explaining something about two Lithuanian exclaves/enclaves. One exclave was the well known
       Jul 03, 2003 @ 19:01 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@takas.lt>)
10830. NO marker 0188 at N-9900 Kirkenes
       Now it s too long time since we posted some Scandinavian pictures! Here is Norway s marker no. 188 at Svanvik at Pasvik valley, near Kirkenes. Notice that
       Jul 03, 2003 @ 19:29 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@takas.lt>)
10831. RE: NO marker 0188 at N-9900 Kirkenes
       And Finland s, of course! ... From: Jan S. Krogh [mailto:jan.krogh@takas.lt] Sent: 3. juli 2003 22:30 ... Notice that Kirkenes Post Stamp already in 1988
       Jul 03, 2003 @ 19:33 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
10832. Kopaczow (PL) - Oldrichov na Hranicich (cz)
       5 weeks ago I ve visited Kopaczow-Oldrichov. To 1945 it was typical german village. 1945 it was divided between Poland and CR (Ceska Respublika, 1948 CSR-
       Jul 03, 2003 @ 19:54 - udomet@gmx.de (udomet@gmx.de)
10833. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Kopaczow (PL) - Oldrichov na Hranicich (cz)
       I´m standing in Oldrichov, view to kopaczow, the red car is in PL, sign Attention State Border -- +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging & more http://www.gmx.net +++
       Jul 03, 2003 @ 20:00 - udomet@gmx.de (udomet@gmx.de)
10834. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Kopaczow (PL) - Oldrichov na Hranicich (cz)
       Detail, closed border bridge, right borderstone -- +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging & more http://www.gmx.net +++ Jetzt ein- oder umsteigen und USB-Speicheruhr als
       Jul 03, 2003 @ 20:05 - udomet@gmx.de (udomet@gmx.de)
10835. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Kopaczow (PL) - Oldrichov na Hranicich (cz)
       Thank you very much for the interesting story and pictures! Do you know why nobody speaks with each other over the borderline? Is it not allowed or do they
       Jul 03, 2003 @ 20:13 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
10836. Re: Kopaczow (PL) - Oldrichov na Hranicich (cz)
       Great pictures... Now compare that first one with this drawing: http://www.hradeknadnisou.cz/his/vlastiveda/pages/obr_1.asp? kateg=vla&obr=022 (From
       Jul 03, 2003 @ 20:41 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
10837. Broken links
       If this group we share many links, and many long links that tend to break so we must copy and paste, but there is a solution. If you use Outlook, get the
       Jul 03, 2003 @ 21:03 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10838. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Broken links
       I think that putting them in quotes works too... let s try a test: No quotes: http://www.canada.com/vancouver/features/Vancouver2010/
       Jul 03, 2003 @ 21:25 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
10839. Re: Broken links
       bravo what is outlook & how do you get it & is it available for macs too or is that an even dumber question ... tend to break so ... this patch ...
       Jul 03, 2003 @ 21:26 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10840. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Kopaczow (PL) - Oldrichov na Hranicich (cz)
       ... Jan Sure is it allowed since 1990 to speak with each other over the borderline. Maybe is that the difficult history and that they`s lived to 1990 always at
       Jul 03, 2003 @ 21:28 - udomet@gmx.de (udomet@...)
10841. Re: Kopaczow (PL) - Oldrichov na Hranicich (cz)
       yes indeed an altogether fine ensemble right up to & including the questions & answers how close did you actually get to the czdepl tripoint udo did you know
       Jul 03, 2003 @ 23:23 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10842. from message 9491 to dedk monument 1 pic
       peter ... well youve come a long way baby thanx nice lady & nice pic is the expedition foregathering yet
       Jul 03, 2003 @ 23:37 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10843. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Broken links
       You don t need all of that! The solution for too long URL s is at www.tinyurl.com . Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: acroorca2002
       Jul 03, 2003 @ 23:42 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
10844. Re: Broken links
       bravissimo
       Jul 04, 2003 @ 00:26 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10845. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Kopaczow (PL) - Oldrichov na Hranicich (cz)
       I didn t know Poles and Czechs hated each other so much. I know about Poles and East Germans though. Back in 1989 I crossed from Forst (then DDR; the wall was
       Jul 04, 2003 @ 02:55 - John Kelly ("John Kelly" <johnkelly@...>)
10846. US - Canadian Enclaves
       Hi all. I m new to the group and found you quite by accident. I ve always been fascinated by enclaves and visiting them. So far I ve been to Andorra, Monaco,
       Jul 04, 2003 @ 03:53 - kontikipaul ("kontikipaul" <contikipaul@...>)
10847. Re: [BoundaryPoint] US - Canadian Enclaves
       Welcome to the group. While most of these aren t technically enclaves, they are certainly interesting geographical anomalies. I don t understand the reference
       Jul 04, 2003 @ 04:32 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
10848. Re: [BoundaryPoint] US - Canadian Enclaves
       In your answer to Lowell, please also, if you know, tell us how the English-Welsh border is demarcted at Chester. Jesper ... From: Lowell G. McManus To:
       Jul 04, 2003 @ 04:38 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10849. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Interprovincial municipality, ABSK
       The catch is that in almost all cases NY State Law treats the City of New York as one juristiction with the city government taking place of a county. the
       Jul 04, 2003 @ 05:10 - Asher Samuels (Asher Samuels <asher972@...>)
10850. Chester UK
       Well Chester is a stretch no question. England, Wales, Scotland and NIreland are all countries in Great Britain. The United Kingdom makes up all the little
       Jul 04, 2003 @ 05:59 - kontikipaul ("kontikipaul" <contikipaul@...>)
10851. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Kopaczow (PL) - Oldrichov na Hranicich (cz)
       ... If, as Udo says, both villages were repopulated after WWII, not as many families as usual would find themselves on different sides of the border. I guess
       Jul 04, 2003 @ 07:17 - Pepijn Hendriks ("Pepijn Hendriks" <pepijnh@...>)
10852. Re: RE: [BoundaryPoint] Fwd: Tokary (PL)- Takary (BY)
       Jan, Marker nr. 1371 is not Polish, but byelarussian. The column on the right is made of wood, near to the polish marker (on the left) another wooden can be
       Jul 04, 2003 @ 08:59 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@...>)
10853. Re: RE: [BoundaryPoint] Kopaczow (PL) - Oldrichov na Hranicich (cz)
       ... Hmm City on polish side is called Zasieki (translation: entanglement, really), but pol-cze conflict I m not sure... I travelled Cz wide (I was there more
       Jul 04, 2003 @ 09:17 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@...>)
10854. Re: US - Canadian Enclaves
       ... always ... to ... Roberts- ... St.Regis-Canada, ... hi paul & cheers for our first live report from the uzbek tajik claves any details or highlights
       Jul 04, 2003 @ 11:18 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10855. quinticounty & jurisdictional fallbacks
       ahh well then would you accept a quinticounty point & last known survivor of that funny family a few of us demarcator freaks once even marked that baby too on
       Jul 04, 2003 @ 12:20 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10856. ctri catch 22 now fully engaged
       here goes wishing them & me luck http://tinyurl.com/g11i
       Jul 04, 2003 @ 13:42 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10857. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Chester UK
       ... So, did the Parliament pass the bill and change the boundary? Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA
       Jul 04, 2003 @ 13:44 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
10858. Re: ctri catch 22 now fully engaged
       the westerly sun article inadvertently slighted the state line tho & completely ignored one of its tripoints ctri begins at ctmari all right just as it says
       Jul 04, 2003 @ 15:43 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10859. Re: Kopaczow (PL) - Oldrichov na Hranicich (cz)
       I attache a map of Kopaczow
       Jul 04, 2003 @ 17:06 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@interia.pl>)
10860. Only in Louisiana!
       Many of you know that Louisiana is unique among American states in calling its primary civil divisions by the name parish, our 64 parishes being functionally
       Jul 04, 2003 @ 18:03 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
10861. Kosovo border
       http://www.focus.co.yu/zonaeng1.htm
       Jul 04, 2003 @ 19:22 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
10862. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Kosovo border
       gunpowder (gún-pau-der) n. A black substance used to mark the boundaries of nations. ... From: Jesper Nielsen To:
       Jul 04, 2003 @ 20:08 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
10863. kentucky bend clave & 2 tripoints elude fresh kyw try
       http://www.courier-journal.com/features/2003/07/20030705west.html _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate
       Jul 05, 2003 @ 11:46 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
10864. Re: us2alflus dilemma
       the alflus pic try attached to the original of this message 7562 was made from the upper deck of the florabama bar which was recently featured in the news for
       Jul 05, 2003 @ 13:31 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10865. Tokary (PL) - Takary (BY)
       This same view, but taken afar. In plate: border way, crossing forbidden
       Jul 05, 2003 @ 13:40 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@interia.pl>)
10866. Toakry (PL) - Takary (BY)
       And a map. I hve not visited place where organge way ends and the red one beginns over barrier, but place where white road from centre of Tokary goes to Vul ka
       Jul 05, 2003 @ 13:54 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@interia.pl>)
10867. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Kopaczow (PL) - Oldrichov na Hranicich (cz)
       I attache a map of Kopaczow The name Porajow/Hradek n. Nisou is the Railway Border crossing CZ/PL for the trains to CZ and back. It`s CZ-Transit Trains from
       Jul 05, 2003 @ 15:38 - udomet@gmx.de (udomet@gmx.de)
10868. fresh clave alert
       http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/030703/2003070305.html slightly incoherent report of a new sudan ethiopia border deal apparently producing some new
       Jul 05, 2003 @ 16:31 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
10869. Re: fresh clave alert
       ... http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/030703/200307030 5.html ... on the contrary it has just been spotted near the eritrea tripoint oops
       Jul 05, 2003 @ 16:46 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10870. Re: fresh clave alert
       for the more or less exact location of the suspected claves this map shows it as gallabat on the atbara river http://tinyurl.com/g3ib aka al qalibat & the
       Jul 05, 2003 @ 18:00 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10871. Re: fresh clave alert
       for historical background & details of the ethnographical island http://93.1911encyclopedia.org/G/GA/GALLABAT.htm for descriptions of the area & the present
       Jul 05, 2003 @ 18:44 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10872. MXUS Treaty 1970
       I received in today s mail from the IBWC the promised copy of the 1970 boundary treaty that currently governs the river portions of the boundary (Rio Grande
       Jul 05, 2003 @ 18:39 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
10873. Belgian Customs Patrimony
       Site with the incredible drawing collection of customs buildings by Albert Bastings: http://home.tiscali.be/albertbastings/index.html ... Do you Yahoo!? SBC
       Jul 05, 2003 @ 22:29 - quadernet (quadernet <quadernet@...>)
10874. Re: The latest searches
       ... Canadian ... how about bc yukon http://www.teresco.org/pics/signs/20010612/hm585.jpg I remember seeing a Saskatchewan - Manitoba one when near ... Labrador
       Jul 05, 2003 @ 23:56 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10875. Re: [BoundaryPoint] MXUS Treaty 1970
       I have abstracted the entire 1970 treaty, and it contains some fairly unorthodox provisions! My abstraction is attached in Word format. Yes, I know, I went
       Jul 06, 2003 @ 03:11 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@msn.com>)
10876. caus2akbccas & the other marker 0 vicinity
       both of the above points are elusive & probably dont fall anywhere near the monument shown here http://www.stewart-hyder.com/photos.html but rather somewhere
       Jul 06, 2003 @ 04:04 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10877. Re: MXUS Treaty 1970
       again in the absence of any wording that clearly establishes a nonstandard regime by explicitly delineating a vertical differentiation of some kind & in view
       Jul 06, 2003 @ 05:47 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10878. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: The latest searches
       Nice find! And greetings from Copenhagen... I am at Jesper s home enjoying using a keyboard that makes it easy to type: æ, ø, å, and €! Stay tuned for
       Jul 06, 2003 @ 11:08 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
10879. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: The latest searches
       Kjære Døug i Ølstykke, gå og kjøp GBBE-øl! (Dear Doug in Beerpiece, go and buy GBBE-beer!) And when you get here you will see that have much more borders
       Jul 06, 2003 @ 14:24 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
10880. Re: The latest searches
       thanx doug & salutes to the entire party & peregrination we are already hyper tuned for this one & yall keep an eye out for the aurora up there too the 60th
       Jul 06, 2003 @ 15:00 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10881. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Chester UK
       ... Unfortunately, I can t find any evidence in Hansard (the proceedings of the UK Parliament) that the border has been changed, or even that it s ever been
       Jul 06, 2003 @ 16:32 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
10882. Province Point Vermont. / Beebe Plain Quebec/Vermont
       With my wife visiting the inlaws I had a chance to drive up to Vermont and enter Canada with a purpose to visit Province Point. It is a small isthmus from
       Jul 06, 2003 @ 16:44 - kontikipaul ("kontikipaul" <contikipaul@...>)
10883. Re: Chester UK
       Kevin: Great response and well researched. There is nothing in the FIFA saying you cannot play in another country. The examples you give are the ones I know
       Jul 06, 2003 @ 17:13 - kontikipaul ("kontikipaul" <contikipaul@...>)
10884. Re: Kosovo border
       In a bit of a panic about what to do with the rest of my life I joined the Canadian army at 19. I now live in Rhode Island USA, but anyways. We were sent to
       Jul 06, 2003 @ 17:32 - kontikipaul ("kontikipaul" <contikipaul@...>)
10885. Re: ctri catch 22 now fully engaged Rhode Island vs. Connecticut
       As a resident of Rhode Island........ This was in the news about 15 months ago when a court case about (I think) drunk driving caused a lawyer to go out with a
       Jul 06, 2003 @ 17:45 - kontikipaul ("kontikipaul" <contikipaul@...>)
10886. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: The latest searches
       ... Huh? I count 26! Are you also counting & ? Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA
       Jul 06, 2003 @ 18:44 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
10887. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Chester UK
       Hi, ... Thanks for the bringing the stadium to our attention! ... Ah, okay. ... You re right in a certain sense. The codes GB and GBR are the ISO 3166-1
       Jul 06, 2003 @ 18:51 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
10888. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Chester UK
       ... The last I heard of Rockall (maybe 15 years ago), it was beginning to be viewed as part of Scotland. Is this still the case? Lowell G. McManus Leesville,
       Jul 06, 2003 @ 18:56 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
10889. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Chester UK
       Lowell, ... The Rockall Act of 1972 made the island part of the (then) county of Invernessshire in Scotland. It was then transferred to jurisdiction of the
       Jul 06, 2003 @ 19:19 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
10890. Rockall
       Here s a working URL for a history of Rockall: www.therockalltimes.co.uk/rockall/history.html Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA
       Jul 06, 2003 @ 19:56 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
10891. Re: The latest searches
       ... yes of course shakespeare & elizabethans generally did indeed count the ampersand as a letter of the alphabet tho it was strictly a lower case letter then
       Jul 06, 2003 @ 21:53 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10892. Re: caus2akbccas & the other marker 0 vicinity
       using the usgs topo & ibs monument coords http://tinyurl.com/g5e0 http://tinyurl.com/g5e3 it is possible to locate both akbccas & marker 0 fairly precisely by
       Jul 06, 2003 @ 23:48 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10893. estcourt station, maine
       could anyone please help me out with specific links/information/maps for estcourt station, maine? i hope to visit the area during a quebec visit at the end of
       Jul 07, 2003 @ 00:00 - timothykiser ("timothykiser" <timothykiser@...>)
10894. Re: Chester UK
       kevin ... either a ... correct ... Great Britain. ... yes this a rare instance of consecutive double & single smileys & thus possibly our first ever contiguous
       Jul 07, 2003 @ 00:07 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10895. Re: ctri catch 22 now fully engaged Rhode Island vs. Connecticut
       they may encounter a problem with the grandfathering here if it had affected only hopkinton & north stonington where there is very probably a long enough
       Jul 07, 2003 @ 01:46 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10896. Re: MXUS Treaty 1970
       I think I agree - for this case only. I think however, the ambiguity in it all leaves the ground under the bridge subject to US sovereignty for all purposes
       Jul 07, 2003 @ 04:18 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10897. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: MXUS Treaty 1970
       I witnessed the painting of the Mexican part of the bridge s steel structure that is right up to the monument. It was done with brushes and buckets by men
       Jul 07, 2003 @ 05:19 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@msn.com>)
10898. Visit to Austria
       Dear members, Could you give me some hints as to what could be interesting from the point of view of border problems in Austria, especially related to Czechia
       Jul 07, 2003 @ 13:17 - lucas_v1 ("lucas_v1" <lucas@...>)
10899. RE: Rockall
       For a less amusing but slightly more accurate (he says immodestly) overview of claims to Rockall and the waters around, see the report prepared for Greenpeace
       Jul 07, 2003 @ 13:28 - Martin Pratt ("Martin Pratt" <m.a.pratt@...>)
10900. Re: MXUS Treaty 1970
       Interesting - another case of not wanting to create a precedent. The General Counsel of the border commission sent me a citation of a court case... I pulled it
       Jul 07, 2003 @ 22:16 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10901. Re: MXUS Treaty 1970
       lowell ... steel structure ... buckets by men ... any safety ... of course they too must have realized if they fell they would land in mexico so no problem but
       Jul 07, 2003 @ 22:38 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10902. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: MXUS Treaty 1970
       My account of seeing the painting done by men upon the bridge was only meant to counter L.N. s mention of the possibility of Mexican painting trucks on the
       Jul 07, 2003 @ 23:20 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
10903. Re: estcourt station, maine
       http://www.bjbsoftware.com/corners/pointdetail.php3?point=250
       Jul 08, 2003 @ 00:42 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
10904. MN-ND-SD
       If anyone is interested in a class B visit to the presumed MN-ND-SD tripoint in the Bois de Sioux river on July 26 PM or July 27 AM, please let me know. And
       Jul 08, 2003 @ 00:49 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
10905. Re: MXUS Treaty 1970
       whattt interesting how or why or is this just another case of wanting to create a non sequitur anyway to save on the bucks as well as the others of us i think
       Jul 08, 2003 @ 01:09 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10906. Re: MN-ND-SD
       wow what are you basing your presumption on now ... MN-ND-SD ... bring an
       Jul 08, 2003 @ 01:14 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10907. Re: MN-ND-SD
       i mean what new info might you have learned since msg 5438 when it dawned on me that the truth might only be found in the land offices & most likely in the
       Jul 08, 2003 @ 01:56 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10908. Re: MXUS Treaty 1970
       I m not sure they d be landing in Mexico - but in a place where the US decided not to exercise it s sovereignty but which isn t the other side s , either. It
       Jul 08, 2003 @ 02:44 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10909. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: MXUS Treaty 1970
       ... I can t buy this business about free zones and shared sovereignty. What you re saying is that the land under the bridge is either a neutral zone or a
       Jul 08, 2003 @ 04:47 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
10910. Re: MXUS Treaty 1970
       Lowell, this was a good effort at driving the logic to the bottom of the funnel to get at the logical end of interpretation. But (ampersand): take three of
       Jul 08, 2003 @ 16:25 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10911. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: MXUS Treaty 1970
       I agree with your interpretation of a tongue of Mexican sovereignty filled with a bridge that extends out over and beyond the accretion-altered boundary in
       Jul 08, 2003 @ 17:23 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
10912. now youve got qed i celebrate
       another golden oldie too ... actually ... integrity ... perhaps ... done ... least ... McManus
       Jul 08, 2003 @ 18:17 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10913. Re: MXUS Treaty 1970
       ...and with that, I think we ve reached the bottom of the funnel. Now what are we going to do? Maybe we can discuss whether or not the Mexican land under the
       Jul 08, 2003 @ 18:31 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10914. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: MXUS Treaty 1970
       Interesting questions! ... The masonry piers under the Mexican segment of the bridge, being part of the bridge structure, are clearly Mexico. I think the
       Jul 08, 2003 @ 20:17 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
10915. GBBE About to begin
       Live from Østykke, Demark (Peter s home)... Mike, Peter and I are getting ready for the beginning of the GBBE tomorrow. Jesper is at home, and the rest of the
       Jul 08, 2003 @ 20:30 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
10916. Re: US - Canadian Enclaves
       Not enclaves, but two small parts of Michigan that are accessible by land only from Ohio: http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=41.72784033051319&lon=-
       Jul 09, 2003 @ 00:16 - hilversum96 ("hilversum96" <hilversum96@...>)
10917. ctri update
       http://www.nbc30.com/news/2314136/detail.html confused but amicable the 9 bounds mentioned in the article between the ashaway mouth & ctmari are described in
       Jul 09, 2003 @ 01:07 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10918. Re: MN-ND-SD
       No new information, just another opportunity to visit the point. I am presuming the tri-point is 9 chains east of the witness monument and therefore in the
       Jul 09, 2003 @ 01:21 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
10919. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: MXUS Treaty 1970
       does that treaty state anything about upper limits? everytime i go to san ysidro i see planes taking off from the Tijuana airport violating (or entering i
       Jul 09, 2003 @ 04:14 - Victor Cantore (Victor Cantore <drpotatoes@...>)
10920. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: MXUS Treaty 1970
       http://gort.ucsd.edu//mw/border/new3&4.jpg here s a rather large file showing the runway with the straight shot over the line. where it says aeropuerto not
       Jul 09, 2003 @ 04:19 - Victor Cantore (Victor Cantore <drpotatoes@...>)
10921. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: MXUS Treaty 1970
       No, the 1970 treaty doesn t say anything specifically about airspace. It relates only to the two fluvial boundaries (Rio Grande and Colorado River) and the
       Jul 09, 2003 @ 04:39 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
10922. Re: MN-ND-SD
       well you are right i would love to join you guys for this but am back in the greater ctmany area now so will most likely attend purely in spirit & i could do
       Jul 09, 2003 @ 12:21 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10923. Re: GBBE About to begin
       are you guys still planning to do ltplru eelvru bylvru byltlv byltpl & will you be trying to post the rushes again this year ride em high ... GBBE tomorrow.
       Jul 09, 2003 @ 12:43 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10924. Re: MN-ND-SD
       I probably will try some sort of measurement from the witness monument. However, our experience with a string at MA-NH-VT suggests we need something less
       Jul 09, 2003 @ 14:19 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
10925. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: MN-ND-SD
       You might buy a 100-foot fiberglass tape measure at your local home center. They re cheap, light, non-stretching, and have a handy crank for easy roll-up.
       Jul 09, 2003 @ 15:26 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
10926. Re: MN-ND-SD
       thanx for coming to the point ... home center. ... easy roll-up. ... be more ... Being ... baggage. You might ... witness ... MA-NH-VT suggests ... carrying a
       Jul 09, 2003 @ 17:12 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10927. Re: GBBE About to begin
       Yes, we will try to see these as well as try to find ex-LTLVPL and ex-EELVSU. There will also be a visit to the two centers of Europe EUc1 (the original point)
       Jul 10, 2003 @ 00:27 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
10928. new njny ellis demarcation pix
       the first attachment is from the official boundary blueprint upon it the point of beginning is indicated as point 1 & the first mete can also be seen running
       Jul 10, 2003 @ 00:26 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@hotmail.com>)
10929. Re: [BoundaryPoint] new njny ellis demarcation pix
       It this arrest had progressed farther up the food-chain of justice, I can just imagine an arraignment before a federal magistrate in New York, and y all
       Jul 10, 2003 @ 01:14 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
10930. Re: new njny ellis demarcation pix
       They were bound to mete out a penalty for such an original sin. BJB ... well as ... centered on the ... interstate but
       Jul 10, 2003 @ 01:27 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
10931. Re: [BoundaryPoint] new njny ellis demarcation pix
       You will all be pleased to know that, in the end, we managed to talk our way out of more serious trouble. I hope to get my photos developed over the weeked and
       Jul 10, 2003 @ 04:09 - Asher Samuels (Asher Samuels <asher972@...>)
10932. SMOM map?
       Hi, does anyone know about a map of SMOM, where one can see boundaries around the buildings in Via Condotti and the Villa Malta on Monte Aventin? Regards,
       Jul 10, 2003 @ 08:58 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
10933. Re: new njny ellis demarcation pix
       hahaa so it was meet it was moot ... 2 ... vandalism ... mete ... also ... __________________________________________________ ... FREE*
       Jul 10, 2003 @ 10:45 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10934. Re: GBBE About to begin
       ... lines as ... LTRU and EERU I can understand. But EELV not being demarcated surprises me. I have seen a couple of pictures of markers on this boundary on
       Jul 10, 2003 @ 11:13 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
10935. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: GBBE About to begin
       Peter S., I am very sorry - my mistake - I meant LVRU, not EELV! Jan ... From: Peter Smaardijk [mailto:smaardijk@yahoo.com] Sent: 10. juli 2003 14:13 To:
       Jul 10, 2003 @ 15:48 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
10936. more ctri background
       http://tinyurl.com/gjlz fresh news account based on old boundary book traces ctri ruckus all the way back to pequot war of 1638 so my earlier characterization
       Jul 10, 2003 @ 16:15 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
10938. Re: [BoundaryPoint] SMOM map?
       To understand SMOM, one must understand that there is SOVEREIGNTY, and then there are SOVEREIGN STATES. While SMOM is recognized as sovereign by Italy and
       Jul 10, 2003 @ 16:42 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
10940. Re: SMOM map?
       ... SOVEREIGNTY, and then ... number of other ... sovereign territory. ... any sovereign ... in various ... international ... John of Jerusalem ... since the
       Jul 10, 2003 @ 18:58 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10941. Re: SMOM map?
       There are maps showing the property lines within which the SMOM exersizes rights of extraterritoriality. I m waiting to get them now, but it ll be while;
       Jul 10, 2003 @ 19:43 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
10942. Reminder - The Great Baltic Border Expedition
       We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. The Great Baltic Border Expedition Date: Saturday, July 12, 2003 Time: All Day IBRG border expedition to
       Jul 10, 2003 @ 21:02 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com (BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com )
10943. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: SMOM map?
       ... I don t disagree with what you have written. I was endeavoring to explain the rationale for SMOM s recognized sovereignty, not the concept of sovereignty
       Jul 10, 2003 @ 21:34 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
10944. Re: more ctri background
       One tweak: sometimes stone monuments don t predate ratification of a boundary - remember the 1853 marker remnant at MASW, or should I say MSSW? It marked a
       Jul 10, 2003 @ 23:25 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
10945. Re: more ctri background
       yes good tweak tho the 1935 thru 1941 survey effort was never ratified by anyone hence triply unlikely to have gotten a vertical stone & i trust you still
       Jul 10, 2003 @ 23:53 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10946. Re: SMOM map?
       ... to explain the ... sovereignty in ... lowell you said ... & that is neither what sovereignty means nor anywhere near an adequate explanation or description
       Jul 11, 2003 @ 00:03 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10947. Re: Reminder - The Great Baltic Border Expedition
       ... Estonia. what is all day saturday i figured you guys would need at least a week for all that or do you mean just the bon voyage party
       Jul 11, 2003 @ 01:39 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10948. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: SMOM map?
       Well! I have tried to contribute to these discussions with intellectual thoughts, only to have them repeatedly demeaned, most recently as dotty. I m still
       Jul 11, 2003 @ 01:52 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
10949. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: SMOM map?
       One man s dotty is another man s sublime, so don t get insulted. I insult my sister because I love her and as BoundaryPoint is one big family, there would be
       Jul 11, 2003 @ 02:41 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
10950. Re: SMOM map?
       ... intellectual ... recently as dotty. I m ... not welcome ... future, I will ... McManus ... have ... sovereignty............. hey wait lowell i only
       Jul 11, 2003 @ 02:45 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10951. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: SMOM map?
       Okay, thank you--I guess. I still don t understand, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt that perhaps your message wasn t meant in the sense and with
       Jul 11, 2003 @ 03:18 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
10952. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Reminder - The Great Baltic Border Expedition
       Hi guys, i wish you a good time, and for the first-time-baltic-state-visitors: you will find something very special!!! good luck, chris ps: im really sorry,
       Jul 11, 2003 @ 06:35 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
10953. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Reminder - The Great Baltic Border Expedition
       This was just a computer message based on an old Boundary Point calendar input. Yesterday Rolf, Karolis and I had a very pleasant BP/IBRG meeting at The Pub
       Jul 11, 2003 @ 09:11 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
10954. Re: SMOM map?
       you are entirely welcome lowell & no problem in any case i think what you may still not understand yet is the bp constitution & how committed some of us are to
       Jul 11, 2003 @ 12:24 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10955. Re: Reminder - The Great Baltic Border Expedition
       ... Point calendar ... meeting at The Pub ... everything ... crossing to meet ... them until ... to BYLTPL and my ... it to you ... good & you guys stay happy
       Jul 11, 2003 @ 13:03 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10956. [GBBE] Press Release No. 1 (BYLTPL)
       GBBE Arrested At BYLTPL! -- Already on the Great Baltic Border Expedition s 2nd day on its way from the BYLTPL tripoint we were arrested by the Polish Border
       Jul 11, 2003 @ 20:02 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
10957. vawv finalized but mdvawv retreats
       just learned from the surveyors the vawv plat attached to message 10699 & the other prospective new mdvawv data reported en route to it have indeed been
       Jul 11, 2003 @ 20:22 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10958. Re: [GBBE] Press Release No. 1 (BYLTPL)
       brilliant maestros all standing ovation here this is already easily our finest happy hour yet map message 9737 data message 7029 ... way from ... Police, ...
       Jul 11, 2003 @ 21:02 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10959. Reminder - The Great Baltic Border Expedition
       We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. The Great Baltic Border Expedition Date: Sunday, July 13, 2003 Time: All Day IBRG border expedition to
       Jul 11, 2003 @ 21:02 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com (BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com )
10960. Re: [BoundaryPoint] vawv finalized but mdvawv retreats
       ... Where might one find these classes defined? Thanks, Lowell
       Jul 11, 2003 @ 21:26 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
10961. Re: vawv finalized but mdvawv retreats
       thanx good question they are scattered all over the place & in various versions & parodies down to class z but we could use a fresh distillation & summary
       Jul 12, 2003 @ 01:32 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10962. [GBBE] Press Release No. 2 (LTPLRU + re:BYLTPL)
       LTPLRU Revisited Today the GBBE group revisited the Lithuanian-Polish-Russian tripoint. An officer at the Polish Border Police joined the group as a guide for
       Jul 12, 2003 @ 11:49 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
10963. old firu
       http://heninen.net/variskivi/english.htm played softly in a scandi balti russ key
       Jul 12, 2003 @ 20:39 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10964. Reminder - The Great Baltic Border Expedition
       We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. The Great Baltic Border Expedition Date: Monday, July 14, 2003 Time: All Day IBRG border expedition to
       Jul 12, 2003 @ 21:02 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com (BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com )
10965. east west divide staggers
       http://www.searchnavi.com/~higashi/higashi/uk1.files/uk03.JPG
       Jul 12, 2003 @ 21:16 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10966. mnndsd ideas
       just noticed on the mnndsd topo http://tinyurl.com/grbw wherever the elusive damn line & with it the tripoint may actually fall today in terms of the ndsd line
       Jul 13, 2003 @ 13:00 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
10967. Re: more ctri background
       brian ... i keep remembering that excellent remnant & my marker balloon too but am still puzzling whether you should say mssw & if so why tho i was resting on
       Jul 13, 2003 @ 13:38 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10968. Re: [BoundaryPoint] mnndsd ideas
       Has anybody noticed that, along MNND about two miles north of the tripoint and along MNSD about 3.5 miles south, the same map says indefinite boundary ? This
       Jul 13, 2003 @ 14:08 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
10969. RE: [BoundaryPoint] old firu
       But unfortunately no clear ex-fisu map. I have been looking for it for a long time, but no see. Jan ... Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG
       Jul 13, 2003 @ 14:39 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
10970. Re: mnndsd ideas
       We have noticed it. In fact there are many examples of indefinite state lines on the topo maps. I know of at least three state tri-points that are
       Jul 13, 2003 @ 16:04 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
10971. Re: vawv finalized but mdvawv retreats
       F, as in far, would be a natural extension to this system. Beyond that, I think the mnemonics probably stand for illusory and ephemeral states, with the
       Jul 13, 2003 @ 16:13 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
10972. Re: mnndsd ideas
       also it may actually be useful to bear in mind here the term indefinite boundary has a definite meaning or rather at least 3 possible definite meanings either
       Jul 13, 2003 @ 17:39 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10973. Reminder - The Great Baltic Border Expedition
       We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. The Great Baltic Border Expedition Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 Time: All Day IBRG border expedition to
       Jul 13, 2003 @ 21:02 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com (BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com )
10974. djeret soon but eretsd much later
       the imminent eritrea ethiopia demarcation is expected to proceed haltingly at best & necessarily from east to west
       Jul 13, 2003 @ 22:56 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10975. Re: mnndsd ideas
       Some time ago I thought the analysis you just presented would account for all known facts about MNNDSD, and that it could be verified by the USACE maps made
       Jul 14, 2003 @ 00:52 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
10976. Re: [BoundaryPoint] djeret soon but eretsd much later
       What the article says is: In Latin America, contested areas have been turned into national parks owned by two countries. I think this is a
       Jul 14, 2003 @ 01:14 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
10977. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: mnndsd ideas
       Whenever the US federal government undertakes such works as mentioned below, it has to obtain (either through negotiation or eminent domain) the necessary land
       Jul 14, 2003 @ 01:36 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
10978. Re: mnndsd ideas
       good idea maybe even better than asking the tax assessors also i keep bumping into references to a so called adjustment of 1912 performed on the bois de sioux
       Jul 14, 2003 @ 03:30 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10979. Ellis Island - Boundary Point and "Vandalism"
       At long last, I ve gotten the film developed of Mike and Asher s Border Adventure. Between trouble with the Parks Police, camera trouble, and much of the
       Jul 14, 2003 @ 10:23 - Asher Samuels (Asher Samuels <asher972@yahoo.com>)
10980. Ellis Island - Border Niche
       We discovered that the boundary isn’t marked anywhere on the island. In fact, the rangers we asked were unclear as to the border’s location. Nonetheless,
       Jul 14, 2003 @ 10:26 - Asher Samuels (Asher Samuels <asher972@yahoo.com>)
10981. Ellis Island - Fort Gibson
       The closest that one gets to any sort of mark for the border is the remains of Fort Gibson. While a National Parks Service sign identifies the fort, it fails
       Jul 14, 2003 @ 10:29 - Asher Samuels (Asher Samuels <asher972@yahoo.com>)
10982. the new njny niche
       the attached blueprint details show the state line entering the main building to the lower right of point 181 & reemerging briefly into the daylight as it
       Jul 14, 2003 @ 13:18 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@hotmail.com>)
10983. Re: Ellis Island - Fort Gibson
       while they arent exactly on the state line as the fortification was slightly inland from the original shoreline nevertheless pinning these 2 corner points of
       Jul 14, 2003 @ 13:51 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10984. [GBBE] Press Release No. 3 (LTRU + LTLV)
       -- Most Interesting GBBE Days Monday 14 July the GBBE group was invited for lunch meal at the Border Police at the Lithuanian beach resort of Nida. The journey
       Jul 14, 2003 @ 18:44 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
10985. Reminder - The Great Baltic Border Expedition
       We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. The Great Baltic Border Expedition Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 Time: All Day IBRG border expedition to
       Jul 14, 2003 @ 21:02 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com (BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com )
10986. GBBE in Lithuania
       The GBBE folks are alive and well and drinking beer in Vilnius, Lithuaia. Many borders crossed and official visits to Latvia today (plus the Latvia-Lithuania
       Jul 14, 2003 @ 23:10 - Doug ("Doug" <doug@...>)
10987. Re: mnndsd ideas
       another possible source of the difference between the usgs tripoint position & the tripoint position suggested by the witness monument could be an avulsion
       Jul 14, 2003 @ 23:38 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10988. my estcourt station search thus far...
       my search for estcourt station info is bearing fruit thanks to fellow bp member brian butler and his corners site. here is the best map of estcourt that I can
       Jul 15, 2003 @ 04:39 - timothykiser ("timothykiser" <timothykiser@...>)
10989. Scans of Berlin South-East and North-East 1970
       hi, here are two scans from a 1970s map TK50 from Berlin. you can see the enclaves of Nuthewiesen, Steinstücken, Wüste Mark and the Böttcherberg-area on the
       Jul 15, 2003 @ 12:00 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@gmx.de>)
10990. Re: djeret soon but eretsd much later
       so duke kudos on reflection a most perceptive explanation & a class a visit ... national parks owned by ... Martín García, ... Río de la Plata. ...
       Jul 15, 2003 @ 14:14 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10991. Re: mnndsd ideas
       You re right, an avulsion at any time after 1858 could account for the USGS line, assuming that was the accreted boundary position at the time of the avulsion.
       Jul 15, 2003 @ 16:48 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
10992. GBBE status
       Hello BP ers Greeting from Vilnius, LT. So far completeted: BYLTPL, wet tp LTPLRU, class A crossings DEPL at Usedom island LTRU, divided village and other
       Jul 15, 2003 @ 17:13 - jesniel@image.dk (jesniel@...)
10993. Reminder - The Great Baltic Border Expedition
       We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. The Great Baltic Border Expedition Date: Thursday, July 17, 2003 Time: All Day IBRG border expedition to
       Jul 15, 2003 @ 21:02 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com (BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com )
10994. Re: mnndsd ideas
       easy there old pal unless you get your kicks by kicking yourself for we have all the time in the world to reach the truth & thank goodness there are still a
       Jul 16, 2003 @ 02:06 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10995. Re: mnndsd ideas
       Your analysis is good. However, I think someone would have noticed the avulsion, regardless of when it occurred, because I think it must have been man-made.
       Jul 16, 2003 @ 12:54 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
10996. Reminder - The Great Baltic Border Expedition
       We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. The Great Baltic Border Expedition Date: Friday, July 18, 2003 Time: All Day IBRG border expedition to
       Jul 16, 2003 @ 21:02 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com (BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com )
10997. Adjustment of 1912
       The adjustment of 1912 appears to be a vertical datum correction that affected benchmarks all over the country, not just in the greater MN-ND-SD area, so I
       Jul 17, 2003 @ 01:03 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
10998. Re: Adjustment of 1912
       ... correction ... greater ... year in ... ok right this is a misidentification of what i meant which as i say has been eluding rediscovery perhaps more to the
       Jul 17, 2003 @ 03:04 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
10999. Re: Adjustment of 1912
       I don t really know what kind of rechanneling might take place during a major flood, so I suppose a natural avulsion could have taken place between 1862 and
       Jul 17, 2003 @ 11:08 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
11000. great american border follies continue
       the dumb & dumber ctri gis tech border war was bound to spread as predicted from north stonington to the 5 other connecticut towns on the rhode island border &
       Jul 17, 2003 @ 14:58 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11001. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Adjustment of 1912
       Brian & Mike, I have been following this extended discourse on finding the truth about MN-ND-SD, and am naturally very interested in the outcome.
       Jul 17, 2003 @ 21:25 - jack parsell ("jack parsell" <jparsell@...>)
11002. San Diego / Tijuana border radio story
       http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-radio12jul12,1,720816.story The Los Angeles Times site requires registration, but it s free. To sum up the story: Clear
       Jul 18, 2003 @ 01:16 - hilversum96 ("hilversum96" <hilversum96@...>)
11003. voronoi message 4657 twenty months later
       ... earth ... particular 2 ... doesn t ... so after trial & error on a truly massive scale i believe i may at least have found the farthest point on earth from
       Jul 18, 2003 @ 02:03 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11004. Re: [BoundaryPoint] San Diego / Tijuana border radio story
       The Federal Communications Commission has long been one of the most totalitarian of US federal agencies. I m one patriotic American who would argue that it is
       Jul 18, 2003 @ 02:13 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11005. Re: my estcourt station search thus far...
       Hi Tim: I might be able to add a little to the Estcourt Station Maine story. It has 5 houses (including one half in Canada and half in the USA), a gas
       Jul 18, 2003 @ 03:04 - kontikipaul ("kontikipaul" <contikipaul@...>)
11006. Re: voronoi message 4657 twenty months later
       yikes we were not the first to wonder & not the first to try but it looks like we may have used better data & tech & gotten a slightly better answer
       Jul 18, 2003 @ 11:47 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11007. List of vatican enclaves
       Hi, here you can find a list of the vatican enclaves.
       Jul 18, 2003 @ 12:55 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
11008. tripoint adjustments Re: Adjustment of 1912
       thanx jack & glad you are with us & what do you think of the new mdvawv probability i am preparing to make a fresh try there during the next prolonged drop in
       Jul 18, 2003 @ 15:29 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11009. RE: mdvawv
       One time when Joyce and I were there the water was very low, but of course all we had for reference points were the State signs by the highway and where the
       Jul 18, 2003 @ 20:09 - jparsell ("jparsell" <jparsell@...>)
11010. Re: List of vatican enclaves
       Hi. I missed that before searching through that site... pleased to have it now. Thanks for the tip. Remember, thought, that the Vatican has no exclaves -
       Jul 19, 2003 @ 00:59 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
11011. Re: GBBE status
       GBBE is now at Narva, Estonia. Since last report we have passed: Adutiskes divided boundary on railway track BYLT divided island BYLTLV BYLVRU Punduri LVRU
       Jul 19, 2003 @ 08:58 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
11012. Re: mdvawv
       wonderful it would be an honor & a pleasure & i will keep you posted onlist in hopes others will join us too lets give it at least a few more weeks to dry out
       Jul 19, 2003 @ 10:26 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11013. Re: GBBE status
       so that sounds like 5 for 5 on the tripoints already for a resounding success at the multidimensional level with individual totals now reaching as high as 25
       Jul 19, 2003 @ 11:04 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11014. Re: GBBE status
       Yes, Mike! In Valga, Latvia Peter and Rolf two nights ago in companion of the rest of the GBBE crew (with toasts of the famous Estonian Saku Tume beer)
       Jul 19, 2003 @ 11:23 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
11015. Re: GBBE status
       ... the ... Saku Tume ... celebrated ... THERE! haha & thanx to you we are there ... sounds like another class c as in close up if not d as in distant but
       Jul 19, 2003 @ 13:38 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11016. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: GBBE status
       [Of course Valga where our World Record party took place was in ESTONIA. Btw I think Harry also is a record holder!] BYLVRU is a class c (some 5 meter distance
       Jul 19, 2003 @ 22:21 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
11017. Check out The Daytona Beach News-Journal
       Click here: The Daytona Beach News-Journal
       Jul 20, 2003 @ 02:09 - FrankGirard903@aol.com (FrankGirard903@...)
11018. Re: Check out The Daytona Beach News-Journal
       That was cute - thanks for the lead. They could solve their problems by taking the city out of the counties. With Alexandria, Virginia, for example, the
       Jul 20, 2003 @ 03:24 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
11019. yikes no sniffer dog in port angeles
       bc bud nb http://tinyurl.com/hhba
       Jul 20, 2003 @ 12:51 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11020. Greetings from the GBBE
       Photo 1: At the former Adutiskis International Railway station the GBBE team was receivied by the Commissioner of Adutiskis Cordon of the State Border Guard
       Jul 20, 2003 @ 15:04 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@takas.lt>)
11021. «Neutral» BYLTLV treaty
       As earlier published on my net page http://home.no.net/enklaver/borders/byltlv.htm a 6 m² square is somewhat neutral in the sense that citizens from any
       Jul 20, 2003 @ 15:18 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
11022. Re: «Neutral» BYLTLV treaty
       ... somewhat ... area ... Commissioner Mr. Vytautas ... GBBE ... made as a three ... of this ... land, but an ... looks like a real everyones land to me or
       Jul 20, 2003 @ 17:12 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11023. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: «Neutral» BYLTLV treaty
       No, unfortunately not. According to Mr. Lekavicius the agreement says only that visitors from any country may enter the square without a visa. Later it is
       Jul 20, 2003 @ 17:32 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
11024. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
       Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File :
       Jul 20, 2003 @ 19:05 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com (BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com )
11025. Re: [BoundaryPoint] «Neutral» BYLTLV treaty
       It s a bureaucratic accommodation to the reality that people are going to want to get their pictures taken at this spot. After all, the three governments have
       Jul 20, 2003 @ 19:43 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11026. RE: [BoundaryPoint] «Neutral» BYLTLV treaty
       I am afraid you are wrong, Lowell! It is opposite - the governments maybe could hope that it will become a tourist attraction. So far it certainly is not as it
       Jul 20, 2003 @ 21:15 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
11027. Re: «Neutral» BYLTLV treaty
       hahahaha denial & misfortune on principle hahaha so i will leave you to it jan for tho i may wish & try to divert you it is not my jurisdiction but what could
       Jul 21, 2003 @ 01:31 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11028. Re: «Neutral» BYLTLV treaty
       given the similarity of the dates i suppose it is a possibility that the guard & you are really only talking about the same tripoint treaty as cited in message
       Jul 21, 2003 @ 08:23 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11029. tp cambodia/laos/vietnam
       Attached a a photo from www.loubeckmfgrep.com/CorpsmanPage.htm Not great shots, but maybe a virtual class c or d visit? marcel
       Jul 21, 2003 @ 08:28 - marcelmiquel@vodafone.es (<marcelmiquel@vodafone.es>)
11030. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: «Neutral» BYLTLV treaty
       No, what you are quoting is only about constructing the tripoint. The one I now have in mind is an agreement on who is allowed to enter the square. At FIe Mr.
       Jul 21, 2003 @ 09:02 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
11031. interesting view in rome: three "countries"
       hi, did we see this before? watching from one country above a second country (smom), above the first and finally to a third (vatikan). heres the link:
       Jul 21, 2003 @ 10:40 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@gmx.de>)
11032. A Trifinium By Any Other Name...
       I visited my local library Saturday and found the following definitions in The Oxford Latin Dictionary (1997): Trifinium: A place where three boundaries meet.
       Jul 21, 2003 @ 13:07 - spookymike@aol.com (spookymike@...)
11033. Re: A Trifinium By Any Other Name...
       bravo my doppelganger thats a truly great idea & the more latin the merrier latinizing as much as possible or at least as much as convenient is probably the
       Jul 21, 2003 @ 13:56 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11034. Re: interesting view in rome: three "countries"
       fantastic a class a visit to the source of originality thank you ... above the first and finally to a third (vatikan). ...
       Jul 21, 2003 @ 14:00 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11035. Re: tp cambodia/laos/vietnam
       brilliant retry marcel following upon your previous photo try in the link to the also stunning message 6240 & you just may have turned the corner here from
       Jul 21, 2003 @ 14:26 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11036. Re: A Trifinium By Any Other Name...
       catalan: trifini spanish: trifinio italian: trifinio français: trijonction portuguese: trijunçao german: dreilandereck (?) ... more? marcel I also wonder
       Jul 21, 2003 @ 14:36 - marcelmiquelcat ("marcelmiquelcat" <marcelmiquel@...>)
11037. Re: «Neutral» BYLTLV treaty
       ... The one I ... the square. thanx thats the one ... land, neutral ... you seem bot ... definition about most ... thanx jan & i redouble your respect in
       Jul 21, 2003 @ 14:40 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11038. Re: A Trifinium By Any Other Name...
       ... venezuelan punto triple ... brazilian ponto tripartite ... also dreilaendereck ... yes please this will be a killer list for photo searches
       Jul 21, 2003 @ 14:58 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11039. RE: [BoundaryPoint] A Trifinium By Any Other Name...
       Gratias multas, Spookius Michaelus! Johanes ... Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version:
       Jul 21, 2003 @ 16:18 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
11040. fresh border squabbles du jour
       first our house specialty vermont syle in which a town attacks all its neighboring & predecessor towns over what it had publicly proclaimed to be well settled
       Jul 21, 2003 @ 20:50 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11041. new hazard alert at aznmso mxus
       http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/local/7_21_03border_sensors.html _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages
       Jul 22, 2003 @ 12:57 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
11042. Trifinia and Wise Agers
       A search on trifinium and Latin yielded this gem. We can probably use a number of terms described here:
       Jul 23, 2003 @ 00:54 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
11043. El Trifinia National Park
       Take a look at the map of El Trifinia National Park, which includes the Guatamala/El Salvador/Honduras trifinium.
       Jul 23, 2003 @ 01:31 - spookymike@aol.com (spookymike@...)
11044. Re: El Trifinia National Park
       And take a look too at the trifinium in the trifinio: www.prensalibre.com/suplementos/ RYS/vgt/chiquimula.htm ( at the end of the page ) marcel ... the
       Jul 23, 2003 @ 06:37 - marcelmiquelcat ("marcelmiquelcat" <marcelmiquel@...>)
11045. Re: El Trifinio National Park
       sharp shooting marcel this is in fact our first class c visit to gthnsv after many tries & a slight but telling improvement upon
       Jul 23, 2003 @ 12:16 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11046. recent multidimensional geometry
       just spent a breathtaking morning tracking down & ogling the current bumper crop of 49 cosmic pointing tries thus far starting at http://www.swirlednews.com
       Jul 23, 2003 @ 15:08 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11047. Mexican state trifinium web cam
       You will find at www.cenapred.unam.mx/popo/UltimaImagenVolcan2.html a web cam view of the trifinium between the Mexican states of México, Morelos, and Puebla.
       Jul 23, 2003 @ 15:36 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@msn.com>)
11048. Re: [BoundaryPoint]
       ... germany)of Kopaczow-Hranicich. -- +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging & more http://www.gmx.net +++ Jetzt ein- oder umsteigen und USB-Speicheruhr als Prämie
       Jul 23, 2003 @ 16:01 - udomet@gmx.de (udomet@gmx.de)
11049. Re: Mexican state trifinium web cam
       staggering hit lowell & well timed too & yikes our first bp multifirst as well with all parts as previously dreamt sought &or requested here first mexican
       Jul 23, 2003 @ 19:08 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11050. Re: recent multidimensional geometry
       perhaps there could be an apparent or logical connection to our multipointing theme, see: http://www.ovnivision.cl/engine/detalle.php?id_art=434&id_cat=2 An
       Jul 23, 2003 @ 19:33 - marcelmiquelcat ("marcelmiquelcat" <marcelmiquel@...>)
11051. Re: recent multidimensional geometry
       yes that is most impresionante & with a direct hit on the hito tripartito too chilean for tripoint monument & you cant imagine how otherworldly that whole
       Jul 23, 2003 @ 20:56 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11052. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Mexican state trifinium web cam
       Thanks for the honors! I didn t realize I was plowing new ground. It is my impression that the trifinium falls at the exact peak, which is to the right of the
       Jul 23, 2003 @ 21:32 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11053. Re: Mexican state trifinium web cam
       right flanco norte dohh so despite my being 180 degrees off which btw is not uncommon we have come to the same conclusion ... ground. ... which is to the ...
       Jul 23, 2003 @ 22:49 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11054. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Mexican state trifinium web cam
       I have found a site at www.planeta.com/ecotravel/mexico/parques/edomexico2.html that tells in Spanish more than almost anyone would want to know about the
       Jul 23, 2003 @ 23:28 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@msn.com>)
11055. re mx2memopu
       ... know about the ... ahh more than almost anyone sounds promising & how about anything a tripointer would want to know about it also being png blind i could
       Jul 24, 2003 @ 02:42 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11056. Re: [BoundaryPoint] re mx2memopu
       http://www.maps-of-mexico.com/puebla-state-mexico/puebla-state-mexico-map-a2.shtml a little too close to tell but looks like peak is the tp. vc ...
       Jul 24, 2003 @ 04:09 - Victor Cantore (Victor Cantore <drpotatoes@...>)
11057. Re: [BoundaryPoint] re mx2memopu
       Mike, Sorry about that .png image. I attached it, wrote a paragraph in the message to explain it, decided not to include it after all, deleted the paragraph,
       Jul 24, 2003 @ 04:22 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@msn.com>)
11058. News item -- errant mail in Stanstead, PQ
       Letter arrives a century too late Last Updated Wed Jul 23 22:05:38 2003 STANSTEAD, QUE.-- It appears rain or sleet or snow stopped a few members of the U.S.
       Jul 24, 2003 @ 10:23 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
11059. Re: re mx2memopu
       ... the message to ... paragraph, but ... attached it ... good show lowell & thanx more insertions below ... the Instituto ... map generator at ... . bravo
       Jul 24, 2003 @ 12:20 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11060. Re: News item -- errant mail in Stanstead, PQ
       welcome home errant wanderers one & all so whats the good word about eelvru already ... a few ... small ... post ... notice ... mail and ... postmaster ...
       Jul 24, 2003 @ 12:35 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11061. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: News item -- errant mail in Stanstead, PQ
       More about eelvru on http://home.no.net/enklaver Jan ... Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
       Jul 24, 2003 @ 17:33 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
11062. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: News item -- errant mail in Stanstead, PQ
       Just wanting to add that we walked across the Pededze river S of the TP and the EE peninsula and saw the TP from EE side, but still standing in LV territory.
       Jul 24, 2003 @ 19:24 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11063. Re: News item -- errant mail in Stanstead, PQ
       wow wonderful thanx could you say a little more about how you walked across the river i mean was the pededze fordable only there below the peninsula or was it
       Jul 24, 2003 @ 23:27 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11064. Ellis Island - NJ side to get facelift
       http://www.cnn.com/2003/TRAVEL/07/24/ellis.island.ap/index.html
       Jul 25, 2003 @ 03:22 - Brendan ("Brendan" <pit.hokie@...>)
11065. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Ellis Island - NJ side to get facelift
       Sounds good to me. Maybe the facelift will also allow access to the western part of the island (where Mike and I couldn t reach because it was fenced off last
       Jul 25, 2003 @ 07:39 - Asher Samuels (Asher Samuels <asher972@...>)
11066. EELVRU (was -> RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: News item -- errant mail in Stanstead, PQ)
       Thank you Mike for your comments and questions! I have tried to answer all your questions and comments in a new update on the EELVRU Map page. Jan
       Jul 25, 2003 @ 07:52 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
11067. re eelvru
       thanx jan beautiful so i gather the barbed wire fence is in perfect alignment with the center of marker 46plus1379 can you confirm & is the thread of the
       Jul 25, 2003 @ 09:21 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11068. RE: [BoundaryPoint] re eelvru
       As far is I remember, the LVRU fence line did not hit BM 46, but a few meters off to the right. Jesper ... thanx jan beautiful so i gather
       Jul 25, 2003 @ 09:27 - jesniel@image.dk (jesniel@...)
11069. Re: Ellis Island - NJ side to get facelift
       sounds like our border exhortation is already having an effect since the existence of the fence is the greatest inhibitor of the demarcation & once that comes
       Jul 25, 2003 @ 09:48 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11070. MNNDSD County Maps
       Yesterday I received from the Traverse County (MN) Recorder s Office two sets of land plats showing the townships NE (Taylor) and SE (Monson) of the MNNDSD
       Jul 25, 2003 @ 13:44 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
11071. Re: re eelvru
       ok thanx jesper i believe your memory must be right & so for whatever it may be worth besides the fun i am having with it for which thanx again to all here is
       Jul 25, 2003 @ 14:20 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11072. Re: MNNDSD County Maps
       hahahaha well there is still wahpeton & sisseton to check & it is only friday morning trifinii vis tecum ... Office ... SE ... other from ... 1972), I made ...
       Jul 25, 2003 @ 14:55 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11073. Punduri Rails Report
       I have just published my report on the Latvian-Russian railway stretching of Punduri on http://home.no.net/enklaver Jan ... Outgoing mail is certified Virus
       Jul 25, 2003 @ 14:57 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
11074. Popocatépetl MX TP
       I wrote to INEGI (the Mexican agency in charge of geographical and statistical matters) to confirm what we suspected about the volcano Popo being the tp of the
       Jul 26, 2003 @ 07:21 - Victor Cantore (Victor Cantore <drpotatoes@...>)
11075. Re: Popocatépetl MX TP
       ... hahaha viva victor (now i just ... from the response it sounds like you will get this & much more of significance to us at the library in tijuana but i
       Jul 26, 2003 @ 11:37 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11076. Re: Punduri Rails Report
       wonderful so it may not be stretching the point to conclude that the international border research group is now virtually & practically on the tracks cant
       Jul 26, 2003 @ 12:31 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11077. caus2bccawam equestrian maybe class c
       the report from tsawwassen looks good & sounds credible tho the actual pic was taken at a slight remove from the tripoint sort of like or really just like our
       Jul 26, 2003 @ 15:14 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11078. La Zona del Silencio
       At http://abuelito-jeep.0catch.com/frmzona_silencioE.html you will find a very enjoyable account (in English with photos) of a visit to the vicinity of the
       Jul 26, 2003 @ 17:17 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11079. Maps - Berlin
       New to the group so Hi! I am particularly lokking for maps of BOTH West and East Berlin from the 1980s. And particularly general maps. I would be
       Jul 24, 2003 @ 15:03 - Geoff ("Geoff" <geoff@...>)
11080. Re: La Zona del Silencio
       nice going lowell another hot spot to be sure & that makes duo trifinia mexicana for you already nor can i restrain myself from aiding & abetting your
       Jul 26, 2003 @ 22:36 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11081. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: La Zona del Silencio
       Yes, there s obviously a lot of hooey associated with this region. I ve read the first link below before, and I accept that the bit about the mysterious zone
       Jul 27, 2003 @ 00:34 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11082. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
       Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File :
       Jul 27, 2003 @ 11:38 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com (BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com )
11083. Tripoints in Europe - some remarks
       Dear BPs- a few mins ago a new file on European tripoints was added to BP s file section. Hardcore members Doug, Harry, Jesper, Peter H. and Rolf have now
       Jul 27, 2003 @ 11:44 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
11084. fresh try du jour Re: MNNDSD County Maps
       ... wrote: I am inclined to believe there is a basis for ... still ... location. ... witness ... back, maybe ... take a number ... witness ...
       Jul 27, 2003 @ 12:17 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11085. Re: Tripoints in Europe - some remarks
       standing ovations to you our number 1 rock peter & to all the champs in all the categories & to the entire party & please introduce the newcomers to us also
       Jul 27, 2003 @ 15:28 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11086. Borderfreak world tour!
       Here most of are in Narva, Estonia, only a week ago... Doug (behind camera) Doug Murray Productions - Border Films CBC POV Sports - CBC Infomatrix 1211 Cotton
       Jul 27, 2003 @ 16:22 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
11087. Re: Popocatépetl MX TP
       ... The tripoint of the Hamakua, Ka u, and North Kona districts on the island of Hawai i is at the summit of Mauna Loa, in the Moku aweoweo Caldera. That s not
       Jul 27, 2003 @ 17:10 - adamnvillani ("adamnvillani" <avillani@...>)
11088. Re: Popocatépetl MX TP
       sharp shooting adam definitely looks molten as of 1950 http://www.thefilmvault.com/natural_disasters/volcanoes.html & of course the political level didnt
       Jul 27, 2003 @ 20:04 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11089. Re: Popocatépetl MX TP
       victor ... summit ... also in the world class cerro zapaleri as pictured in message 6008 & which has marked the argentina bolivia chile tripoint arbocl for
       Jul 28, 2003 @ 01:12 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11090. erupting vertex with molten vortex found
       now dont get too excited because this isnt an erupting multipoint yet nor even a multipoint at all
       Jul 28, 2003 @ 12:23 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
11091. Re: erupting vertex with molten vortex found
       ... mauna loa ... separate from what Yeah, that is a pretty mysterious red line. On the 1:25,000 map (found on Topozone), it s marked as a Grant Boundary, so
       Jul 28, 2003 @ 14:54 - adamnvillani ("adamnvillani" <avillani@...>)
11092. Re: erupting vertex with molten vortex found
       ahh wonderful then you visited the vortex vertex & the goddess at home even as she herself was actively visiting all around there & no surprise to see her
       Jul 28, 2003 @ 18:22 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11093. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: erupting vertex with molten vortex found
       Mont Pelée means peeled mount in French. Could that be the equivalent of what we might call Bald Mountain in English. Maybe. Maybe not. Lowell G.
       Jul 28, 2003 @ 19:26 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11094. Re: [BoundaryPoint] erupting vertex with molten vortex found
       In aboriginal pre-contact Hawaii, all land belonged to the king. Its use was let out in exchange for tribute through a feudal hierarchy to communal groups in
       Jul 28, 2003 @ 20:12 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11095. Re: erupting vertex with molten vortex found
       this is what i was thinking too but it would be fractured french since mont is masculine & pelee feminine if it really were french tho or perhaps a permissive
       Jul 28, 2003 @ 20:16 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11096. Re: erupting vertex with molten vortex found
       Dès 1635, les premiers colons savaient qu ils étaient à proximité d un volcan, appellée Montagne de Feu par les Caraïbes. La montagne avait été
       Jul 28, 2003 @ 21:13 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
11097. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: erupting vertex with molten vortex found
       Yes! Thank you! Lowell ... From: Peter Smaardijk To: Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 4:13 PM Subject:
       Jul 28, 2003 @ 21:52 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11098. Pictures: GBBE 1
       The best of the first roll from the GBBE are up! Point your browser to: http://homepage.mac.com/dougmurray/PhotoAlbum25.html Doug Doug Murray Productions -
       Jul 28, 2003 @ 21:57 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
11099. More GBBE Pictures!
       Roll #2: http://homepage.mac.com/dougmurray/PhotoAlbum26.html Roll #3: http://homepage.mac.com/dougmurray/PhotoAlbum27.html Roll #4:
       Jul 28, 2003 @ 22:50 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
11100. Re: erupting vertex with molten vortex found
       i would agree the mont pele volcano in cameroon stands a good chance of having been named bald peak in normal french as it is a single peak or mont on a larger
       Jul 29, 2003 @ 00:19 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11101. MNNDSD Trip Report Sans Pictures
       I will be posting some pictures as soon as they are available, but here is a brief trip report: Two conditions helped make this a particularly successful
       Jul 29, 2003 @ 12:30 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
11102. Re: MNNDSD Trip Report Sans Pictures
       maxithanx brian for this staggeringly fine & rich visit & report & i imagine i hear the entire ellicott society murmuring hear here did you emphasize or linger
       Jul 29, 2003 @ 12:57 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11103. Re: Maps - Berlin
       welcome geoff & it is a surprise none of our berlin &or wall nuts in residence have been able to greet you sooner than i could so they must all be in the field
       Jul 29, 2003 @ 16:05 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11104. Re: More GBBE Pictures!
       you are excused doug these are exceptionally great as usual especially that nose monument for which any more details would also be enjoyed in addition can you
       Jul 29, 2003 @ 18:51 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11105. RE: [BoundaryPoint] re eelvru
       Mike, Thanks for your comments! I am sorry I could respond to them at once. The barbed wire fence is only some kind of a practicle administration line as we
       Jul 29, 2003 @ 19:23 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
11106. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: More GBBE Pictures!
       I would normally be the first to beam up these new tp conquests, but due to visitors and a computer break down, I am unable to supply my tp shots. Jesper ...
       Jul 29, 2003 @ 20:52 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11107. Re: MNNDSD Trip Report Sans Pictures
       The last 4 photos on this page are new: http://www.bjbsoftware.com/corners/pointdetail.php3?point=58
       Jul 29, 2003 @ 22:26 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
11108. Re: re eelvru
       ... at once. ... administration line ... border line, but ... to determine ... thank you very much indeed jan & please indulge my continuing try for this
       Jul 29, 2003 @ 22:32 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11109. an earlier if looser try for mnndsd
       thanx brian & you may remember the attached pic from the paleo corner corner it records a topo assisted but zero tech 20th century class b try for mnndsd made
       Jul 29, 2003 @ 22:59 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@hotmail.com>)
11110. Re: More GBBE Pictures!
       you are excused too & relax this stuff keeps getting better anyway ... conquests, but due to visitors and a computer break down, I am unable to supply my tp
       Jul 29, 2003 @ 23:40 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11111. fresh maxi multimessage try
       did we do it our first quintimessage point & it will take us a while to beat 5 aces too but just you wait at this rate another 28 or 29 years of search & enjoy
       Jul 29, 2003 @ 23:41 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
11112. Re: an earlier if looser try for mnndsd
       Looks like you were there, almost to the inch! BJB ... for mnndsd ... witness ... other at ... coverage in
       Jul 30, 2003 @ 01:11 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
11113. Re: an earlier if looser try for mnndsd
       Oops, please disregard my previous post. It was 180 degrees out of phase. Was this picture in spring or fall? I don t think it could be a summer shot
       Jul 30, 2003 @ 01:18 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
11114. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: re eelvru
       SORRY, I meant BYLVRU photos. ... photoes. ... Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version:
       Jul 30, 2003 @ 03:38 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
11115. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: re eelvru
       Mike, Concerning the fence, I have a GPS position (+/- ~10 m.) of it, and we have a position of the posts. If the map is good enough we should be able to more
       Jul 30, 2003 @ 03:39 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
11116. Re: an earlier if looser try for mnndsd
       oops me too as i inadvertently cropped the rock i meant to show you thinking to save bytes dohh & am still tweaking my crazy scanner to give you a better fix
       Jul 30, 2003 @ 13:35 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11117. Re: re eelvru
       yes thanx parallel to the fence thats the key so my surmise & hope about this supposedly russian fence is evidently busted if an imaginary projection of it
       Jul 30, 2003 @ 15:27 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11118. Re: Maps - Berlin
       ... Friedrichstraße is the estgerman name for Check Point Charly , the allied border crossing. ... -- COMPUTERBILD 15/03: Premium-e-mail-Dienste im Test ...
       Jul 30, 2003 @ 15:39 - udomet@gmx.de (udomet@gmx.de)
11119. Re: an earlier if looser try for mnndsd
       I stood on the crest of the levee and moved N-S until I was due east of the witness monument according to the GPS. With a GPS error of 18 feet and a distance
       Jul 30, 2003 @ 16:10 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
11120. concurrence at mnndsd
       ahhh muchissimas bravissimos as we say in martinique indeed to both of us er make that all of us as my feckless techless & fairly blindfolded class b try for
       Jul 30, 2003 @ 18:15 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@hotmail.com>)
11121. Re: concurrence at mnndsd
       hey then your 23 percent allowance apparently also means the rock outcropping could well fall within the normal usgs topo error allowance & until we can apply
       Jul 30, 2003 @ 20:20 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11122. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Maps - Berlin
       Hi Geoff, I have quite an archive of Berlin maps. Unfortunately they need to be converted over to a readable format (gif or jpg). I also have a lot of maps
       Jul 30, 2003 @ 23:47 - John Kelly ("John Kelly" <johnkelly@astralvoyager.com>)
11123. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Maps - Berlin
       Here s another goodie. A West Berlin U/S Bahn map from 1973 (Ullstien Verlag) showing closed stations crossed out. BTW. And it s from the days before
       Jul 31, 2003 @ 00:03 - John Kelly ("John Kelly" <johnkelly@astralvoyager.com>)
11124. singapore for avulsion freaks
       http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/EG31Ae01.html but does anyone have a good enough map to find the places mentioned here & tell if the equidistance
       Jul 31, 2003 @ 01:05 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
11125. nogales for wall nuts
       http://www.fox11az.com/news/local/stories/KMSB_local_mudslides_072903.d7a026fa.html but remember there are no victims & everyone creates their own mudslides
       Jul 31, 2003 @ 01:28 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
11126. Re: re eelvru
       ahh thanx again jan this was worth a second look actually i now think the situation here is fairly analogous to eelvru in the sense that there is not 1 but 2
       Jul 31, 2003 @ 03:16 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11127. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: re eelvru
       The web page at http://home.no.net/enklaver/borders/tf_close-up.htm says that the boundaries follow the middle of the two streams. Is this meant to say that
       Jul 31, 2003 @ 03:43 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11128. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: re eelvru
       Remember that Zilupe is a rather small river - about 5 meter broad and probably only 2-3 metres deep. It s a question if it after all has any continous
       Jul 31, 2003 @ 08:24 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
11129. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Maps - Berlin
       This site is quite interesting with maps of 1750, 1875, 1895, 1897, 1899, 1917, 1945, 1955 and 1989 (actually the last DDR citymap!):
       Jul 31, 2003 @ 08:47 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
11130. Re: re eelvru
       ... broad and ... any ... would have guessed from your pic less deep & less broad at the thalweg junction & would agree some thalwegs are more pronounced as
       Jul 31, 2003 @ 12:30 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11131. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Maps - Berlin
       That site is painfully slow. That guy must be running it from his home DSL connection. That said, the maps are in an interesting format and must have taken a
       Jul 31, 2003 @ 13:06 - John Kelly ("John Kelly" <johnkelly@...>)
11132. brcolpe
       An interesting article about the twin cities Leticia/Tabatinga near brcolpe trifinium can be found at:
       Jul 31, 2003 @ 13:11 - marcelmiquelcat ("marcelmiquelcat" <marcelmiquel@...>)
11133. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: re eelvru
       THALWEG 1. «A German term, literally downstream, with reference to river navigation. Here referring to the deepest channel in a river, genereally the most
       Jul 31, 2003 @ 13:29 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
11134. Re: re eelvru
       ... river ... genereally the ... water level.» ... everywhere ... the lines of ... angles.» ... for starters just look for the thread of the stream on the
       Jul 31, 2003 @ 13:58 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11135. Re: brcolpe
       ... near ... http://www.igeo.ufrj.br/fronteiras/pesquisa/fronteira/p02diss0104 .htm ... The maps ... we ... really why so i came to the opposite conclusion in
       Jul 31, 2003 @ 14:43 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11136. Re: djeret soon but eretsd much later
       oops substantial new delays now for both http://allafrica.com/stories/200307310026.html http://allafrica.com/stories/200307310024.html in fact lets face it
       Jul 31, 2003 @ 18:49 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11137. [BoundaryPoint] Updated tripoint site
       Greetings from Finland s tropical heat (25-30 degrees). For those of you who are interested in tripoints, let me proudly announce that I have now updated my
       Jul 31, 2003 @ 19:27 - Rolf Palmberg LI ("Rolf Palmberg LI" <rpalmber@...>)
11138. Re: Updated tripoint site
       URL doesn t seem to work. Is is correct? BJB
       Jul 31, 2003 @ 20:57 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
11139. Bois de Sioux Wet Again
       It looks like last Saturday was the day to wade across the Bois de Sioux: http://waterdata.usgs.gov/mn/nwis/uv?dd_cd=15&format=gif&period=7&site_no=05050000
       Jul 31, 2003 @ 20:59 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
11140. Bois de Sioux Wet Again
       It looks like last Saturday was the day to wade across the Bois de Sioux: http://waterdata.usgs.gov/mn/nwis/uv?dd_cd=15&format=gif&period=7&site_no=05050000
       Jul 31, 2003 @ 20:59 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
11141. Re: Updated tripoint site
       just trim the period from the end grandest personal collection on earth
       Jul 31, 2003 @ 21:10 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11142. Going border expeditions? - Welcome to the IBRG!
       The International Border Research Group is studying international borders and publishing the results. The IBRG is from 1 Aug 2003 available especially for
       Jul 31, 2003 @ 22:08 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
11143. tsunamieeeeeeeee
       fellow sandcastlers the following news was euphemized by the yahoo as service changes but basically it is 5 days notice to rescue any message board attachments
       Aug 01, 2003 @ 11:14 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11144. Re: tsunamieeeeeeeee
       this apparently also means if you want to ever see attachments posted after this wednesday youll have to sign up for individual email or daily digest delivery
       Aug 01, 2003 @ 11:38 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11145. Re: [IBRG] Divided island Lake Druksiai + BYLTPLRU mini expedition
       My wished would be to know the exact political situation at Vistytis right now. Did the farm go to LT at 15th July or not until the demarcation. I would think
       Aug 01, 2003 @ 11:46 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11146. Re: [IBRG] LT patrol road at LTPLRU
       At what grounds do you think LT will only join Schengen in 2006-7? At all future inner-Schengen borders they took there borders very seriously. Crossing from
       Aug 01, 2003 @ 11:50 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11147. eelvru - > thalweg
       I would think using the thalweg-principle is only for wide rivers where navigation is possible and normal. Probably more often outside Europe where small
       Aug 01, 2003 @ 12:01 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11148. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Updated tripoint site
       There you can also enjoy a nice look at EELVRU. Jesper ... From: acroorca2002 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 11:10 PM Subject:
       Aug 01, 2003 @ 12:03 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11149. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: [IBRG] Divided island Lake Druksiai + BYLTPLRU mini expedition
       I was just calling to Mrs. Irena Mackeviciene, she who lives in Dariaus ir Gireno g. 20 - next to the turnpike. Unfortunately she was not at home, but her
       Aug 01, 2003 @ 12:50 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
11150. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Updated tripoint site
       But don t tell anybody!!! It was an accident... ... From: Jesper Nielsen [mailto:jesniel@image.dk] Sent: 1. august 2003 15:03 To:
       Aug 01, 2003 @ 12:51 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
11151. Re: [BoundaryPoint] tsunamieeeeeeeee
       Mike, Good catch...bad policy! Bill ... From: Michael Donner To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 4:14 AM Subject: [BoundaryPoint]
       Aug 01, 2003 @ 16:40 - Jane Hanrahan ("Jane Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
11152. Re: eelvru - > thalweg
       jesper a thalweg has nothing to do with the size of a stream & is not arbitrary nor any mere matter of opinion but is a fact of physics & of natural geography
       Aug 01, 2003 @ 14:36 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11153. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: More GBBE Pictures!
       Details to come!! More photos too... DOUG ... ... Doug Murray Productions - Border Films CBC POV Sports - CBC Infomatrix 1211 Cotton Drive
       Aug 01, 2003 @ 15:23 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
11154. Re: Going border expeditions? - Welcome to the IBRG!
       wonderful news jan & multicongratulations to all & i see the ibrg membership skyrocketing already this morning so there is no doubt you are already flying high
       Aug 01, 2003 @ 15:45 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11155. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: eelvru - > thalweg
       hahahahahahehehehehu The only person in this forum that likes to complicate matters more than neccessary must be the utterly Mr Donner. If I take a leek on the
       Aug 01, 2003 @ 16:12 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11156. Re: eelvru - > thalweg
       hahahaha good one hahaha but would you believe the texts then i havent seen them all i admit but i think i recall some reported from this area actually
       Aug 01, 2003 @ 17:01 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11157. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: eelvru - > thalweg
       While the concept of a thalweg is simple enough, its practical application can be as fraught with as many problems as its alter ego, the ridge line. In fact,
       Aug 01, 2003 @ 17:16 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11158. Re: [IBRG] LT patrol road at LTPLRU
       Zarasai was much worse! No obvious system*. The first guy we meet, looked like he was new to this border-thing. He was not sure what we should do, and besides
       Aug 01, 2003 @ 17:59 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11159. Re: eelvru - > thalweg
       thank you lovely riffles of thought while the determination of a thalweg is usually easy very difficult situations can arise you can say that again &
       Aug 01, 2003 @ 19:14 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11160. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Going border expeditions? - Welcome to the IBRG!
       To say it more precise than before - our members should be interested going border expeditions for one or another reason: in order to write articles, make
       Aug 01, 2003 @ 19:30 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
11161. unusual thalweg junction tripoint pic class e or c
       just to hoist another attachment onto the message board while we still can here at long last is the pic of caus2camenb i promised when it was fresh in message
       Aug 02, 2003 @ 01:06 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@hotmail.com>)
11162. tripoint triathlon try from iamnsd to caus goes awry
       when i first saw this headline http://www.kaaltv.com/article/view/24751 i had visions of an iamnsd to mbmnnd race running straight up our beloved old damn line
       Aug 02, 2003 @ 11:29 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11163. re brcope
       ... http://www.igeo.ufrj.br/fronteiras/pesquisa/fronteira/p02diss0104 ... that ... rewarding ... so i studied them some more & concluded brco runs down the
       Aug 02, 2003 @ 13:39 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11164. Re: around Venezuela/Colombia/Brazil tp
       marcel the attached brcove try you made 15 months ago is all dead links now so i dont know if the following pix are improvements or just replacements
       Aug 02, 2003 @ 18:15 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11165. Re: Going border expeditions? - Welcome to the IBRG!
       YES Jan - welcome to the world of border expeditions... One thing s for sure: once you re started, you can t stop!! :-) Or as we say in Danish: once you ve got
       Aug 03, 2003 @ 10:03 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
11166. Re: Going border expeditions? - Welcome to the IBRG!
       hey happy sunday pete & one more round of applause for you all & for all true tp seekers everywhere i am still a bit puzzled tho how you guys manage to conquer
       Aug 03, 2003 @ 12:16 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11167. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Going border expeditions? - Welcome to the IBRG!
       And the below statement would in plain english mean what? J i am still a bit puzzled tho how you guys manage to conquer your tps & make them bleed so
       Aug 03, 2003 @ 12:20 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11168. Re: Going border expeditions? - Welcome to the IBRG!
       ... your ... ahh thank you good questions & i meant to be clear about mine so i will try again for it is just that i have been noticing many of our members &
       Aug 03, 2003 @ 14:24 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11169. Patrol road, fences and watchtowers
       When I saw this photo I assumed it was Indonesia-Papua New Guinea, but it isn t. http://www.uta.fi/~eb68337/photos.html Jesper
       Aug 03, 2003 @ 14:26 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11170. Re: Patrol road, fences and watchtowers
       ... New Guinea, but it isn t. ... nice pix looking like the greater pg2ehmowh triprovincial area where the eastern & western highlands meet morobe but then who
       Aug 03, 2003 @ 15:26 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11171. Re: around Venezuela/Colombia/Brazil tp
       michael, thank you for the new pics. The first link is not dead, just a bit injuried. If you paste the second line, the link runs:
       Aug 03, 2003 @ 19:21 - marcelmiquel@vodafone.es (<marcelmiquel@vodafone.es>)
11172. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: around Venezuela/Colombia/Brazil tp
       Did you take the photo? Jesper Borderbase ... From: marcelmiquel@vodafone.es To: Boundary Point Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 9:21 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint]
       Aug 03, 2003 @ 19:25 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11173. virgin arbopy still distant to elusive
       http://www.oas.org/usde/publications/Unit/oea03e/p132a.JPG is an aerial view of the upper pilcomayo valley & parallel river road in paraguay so argentina is in
       Aug 03, 2003 @ 20:14 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11174. Re: around Venezuela/Colombia/Brazil tp
       ahh thanx yours is certainly most beautiful & closest to the piedra but i dont know how to tell which is closest to the tripoint if anything all 3 pix may be a
       Aug 03, 2003 @ 20:31 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11175. Re: around Venezuela/Colombia/Brazil tp
       ... http://communities.msn.es/ConlaNaturaleza/venezuelaparaesta comunidad.msn ... here is a still closer shot of the rock http://tinyurl.com/iyd3 photographed
       Aug 04, 2003 @ 12:23 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11176. Re: around Venezuela/Colombia/Brazil tp
       Jesper, Of course is not a photo taken by me. I ve never been in such a paradisiac and tripointing place. The photo was taken, according to the link, by a
       Aug 04, 2003 @ 13:54 - marcelmiquelcat ("marcelmiquelcat" <marcelmiquel@...>)
11177. virgin bobrpy also remains close to fictitious
       first you may recall the story thus far by detail map http://www.info.lncc.br/wrmkkk/bo3dd.html & by photo tho only of the nearby witness monument on the
       Aug 04, 2003 @ 15:43 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11178. Re: A Trifinium By Any Other Name...
       ...norvegian: Treriksrøysa just a simple google search retrieves several excellent pictures and information about finose and, specially, for finoru. The best
       Aug 04, 2003 @ 17:10 - marcelmiquelcat ("marcelmiquelcat" <marcelmiquel@...>)
11179. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: A Trifinium By Any Other Name...
       Good finds, but a treriksrøys is in Norwegian language actually a name of the trifinium cairn rather than the point itself which in Norwegian would be
       Aug 04, 2003 @ 17:35 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
11180. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: A Trifinium By Any Other Name...
       For links for the two riksrøys at each end of the FINO http://www.nicolette.dk/borderbase/border.php?c1=107&c2=49 Jesper ... From: marcelmiquelcat To:
       Aug 04, 2003 @ 19:13 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11181. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Patrol road, fences and watchtowers
       From the site editor: The fence surrounds a small place called Ukarumpa (my childhood home!), a missions centre for an organisation called Wycliffe Bible
       Aug 04, 2003 @ 19:14 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11182. Re: A Trifinium By Any Other Name...
       how many visitors do you suppose actually clamber up that wobbly looking cairn at finoru to reach all the way to the pyramid apex & how many dream of & how few
       Aug 04, 2003 @ 19:15 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11183. arbrpy becoming visible
       we have also visited this neighborhood before http://www.info.lncc.br/wrmkkk/amap1.html where arbrpy is formed by the thalweg junction of the iguacu with the
       Aug 04, 2003 @ 23:16 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11184. Harsens Island MI border story
       http://www.thetimesherald.com/news/stories/20030804/localnews/2797.htm l This story is from the Port Huron (MI) Times-Herald of Monday, August 4. It s about a
       Aug 04, 2003 @ 23:16 - hilversum96 ("hilversum96" <hilversum96@...>)
11185. pics from GBBE trip 1
       Dear GBBE members - borderfriends und liebe Schwester! Attached a few pictures from our succesfull border expedition to the Baltic States... 1- GBBE freaks at
       Aug 05, 2003 @ 09:44 - Peter Hering (Peter Hering <hering@mail.dk>)
11186. Re: A Trifinium By Any Other Name...
       Like this one? http://www.skibotn.gs.tr.no/skibotn/treriks.shtml marcel
       Aug 05, 2003 @ 11:16 - marcelmiquelcat ("marcelmiquelcat" <marcelmiquel@...>)
11187. Re: A Trifinium By Any Other Name...
       now thats a class act looks like the girls are really digging it too
       Aug 05, 2003 @ 12:14 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11188. Re: Harsens Island MI border story
       wow tom nice find & it even looks like the topological spitting image of akwesasne with at least a couple of new tricountry points in the balance here but if
       Aug 05, 2003 @ 14:39 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11189. National Post Story
       Dear boundarypoint@yahoogroups.com, Your friend doug@borderfilms.com thought you might be interested in this National Post story: World s longest undecided
       Aug 05, 2003 @ 16:22 - doug@dougmurrayproductions.com (<doug@...>)
11190. Re: pics from GBBE trip 1
       ... ok great & for maximum delivery & effect please consider hurrying them along or else posting them to the files or photos section because all message board
       Aug 05, 2003 @ 16:52 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11191. border sites
       Hi Folks, Here are a couple of interesting Websites that have some nice border pictures. I don t remember if anyone has sent these out already or not.
       Aug 05, 2003 @ 18:23 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
11192. Re: border sites
       hail dallen old firuse sounds fabulous & candleworthy too can you tell which rock marked the tripoint bon voyage & vis tecum ... border ... or not. ... couple
       Aug 05, 2003 @ 19:37 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11193. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Harsens Island MI border story
       Seaway Island is natural. The border has always followed the main shipping channel through the St. Clair River and Lake St. Clair. I m sure lower water levels
       Aug 05, 2003 @ 22:43 - Tom Sanders (Tom Sanders <hilversum96@...>)
11194. Yahoo's changing the rules on us
       I trust you all received notice from Yahoo that within a few days changes are going to occur. One of main things is that you will have to send images to the
       Aug 06, 2003 @ 03:39 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
11195. finose / finoru maps
       This Norwegian site retrieve small-scale maps of the tripoints: http://ngis2.statkart.no/norgesglasset/default.html marcel
       Aug 06, 2003 @ 09:55 - marcelmiquelcat ("marcelmiquelcat" <marcelmiquel@...>)
11196. SBBE is history
       The Small Baltic Border Expedition is now history. Yesterday Linas (32) (from Kaunas) and I made this one-day expedition. 1. Passed LTPL at Kalvarija -
       Aug 06, 2003 @ 12:58 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
11197. Re: Yahoo's changing the rules on us
       Len, I ve addedyou as a Moderator. Thanks for your initiative on this. Bill ... have ... them ... deleted ... messages ... urgency ... and ... at
       Aug 06, 2003 @ 13:57 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
11198. Re: Harsens Island MI border story
       tom such gradual normal accretive changes in the river delta & shipping channel as i believe you are describing here couldnt have left the border high & dry
       Aug 06, 2003 @ 14:28 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11199. National Post Story
       Dear boundarypoint@yahoogroups.com, Your friend doug@borderfilms.com thought you might be interested in this National Post story: In divided towns, splitting
       Aug 06, 2003 @ 16:14 - doug@dougmurrayproductions.com (<doug@...>)
11200. Re: Yahoo's changing the rules on us
       possibly important corrections all attachments are indeed expected to disappear from the message board as well as from the archives probably as early as tonite
       Aug 06, 2003 @ 15:38 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11201. Re: SBBE is history
       ... Linas (32) ... located in the middle of the confluence (about 30-50 cm deep ... disappointed, but a jolly ... yesss & does this mean you tried to make a
       Aug 06, 2003 @ 16:58 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11202. 2 more wannabe north american tricountry points
       http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0806/p07s01-woam.html
       Aug 06, 2003 @ 20:31 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11203. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Harsens Island MI border story
       Now you ve stirred my curiosity, :) I based my low water theory on living on Lake Huron and watching the high water levels fluctuate from year to year. Dry
       Aug 06, 2003 @ 23:21 - Tom Sanders (Tom Sanders <hilversum96@...>)
11204. Re: [BoundaryPoint] National Post Story
       I thought the pettiness would subside after the snowbound Boy Scouts in Estcourt Station decided to become heroes at someone else s expense, and maybe win a
       Aug 06, 2003 @ 23:54 - Tom Sanders (Tom Sanders <hilversum96@...>)
11205. Re: [BoundaryPoint] National Post Story
       It reminds me of the visit that Mike Kaufman and I up there had last September. Granted, it was days after the 9/11 anniversary -- but many of the US officials
       Aug 07, 2003 @ 00:18 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
11206. Re: [BoundaryPoint] National Post Story
       I m enjoying the series of news features by Don Martin from the NATIONAL POST. Please keep the links coming. ... across the border. Only city folk would think
       Aug 07, 2003 @ 05:31 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11207. BYLT pic Janas+Petras
       Good morning dear borderfriends ... attached pls find a picture from the BYLT border that is undergoing a lot of changes right now....LT is building a
       Aug 07, 2003 @ 07:41 - Peter Hering (Peter Hering <hering@mail.dk>)
11208. RE: [BoundaryPoint] 2 more wannabe north american tricountry points
       More footnotes to the history (The nations you Americans didn t learn about in high school): http://www.buckyogi.addr.com/footnotes/ Jan ... Outgoing mail is
       Aug 07, 2003 @ 09:40 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
11209. Cyprus photo needed
       Hey folks, Does anyone on BoundaryPoint have a nice photo (or two) of the Cyprus border that I could use in an upcoming publication? I ve been asked to write a
       Aug 07, 2003 @ 07:59 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
11210. Re: Harsens Island MI border story
       ... great i love the stuff & you see how most prefer to fluff & duff more below ... wonderful i am with you loud & clear on all the above ... ok i would second
       Aug 07, 2003 @ 14:22 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11211. National Post Story
       Dear boundarypoint@yahoogroups.com, Your friend doug@borderfilms.com thought you might be interested in this National Post story: Piles of trash strain ties
       Aug 07, 2003 @ 16:19 - doug@dougmurrayproductions.com (<doug@...>)
11212. Re: Yahoo's changing the rules on us
       Thanks, Bill. I m now trying to determine the most efficient way to capture the whole. Since you added me, I ve been getting a lot of sex4u@yahoo and similar
       Aug 07, 2003 @ 15:33 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
11213. Re: 2 more wannabe north american tricountry points
       ... learn about ... haha & for when we did most recently learn about these & many more absurdistans plus yet another trifunnium too please see message 10265
       Aug 07, 2003 @ 15:34 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11214. Re: Yahoo's changing the rules on us
       ... whole. ... hahahahahaha hahahahahahahaaa ahhhh my own feeling is that nothing nor nobody need be rejected no matter how greatly they misunderstand what bp
       Aug 07, 2003 @ 16:31 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11215. Birthday visit to international monument
       Yesterday, I celebrated my 51st birthday with a visit to the only existing former international boundary monument located in the interior of the United States.
       Aug 07, 2003 @ 20:39 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@msn.com>)
11216. Re: Birthday visit to international monument
       many happy returns lowell excellent photo & message 9429 or bus&ss p102 has one for good measure ... existing ... of the United ... 1841, by a joint ... of
       Aug 07, 2003 @ 22:00 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11217. Biggest orgy known to mankind
       Alright now who wants to be apart of the biggest orgy in history. We ll a few members from our million want to organize this with other members from our site
       Aug 08, 2003 @ 00:16 - lyingnood4u1 ("lyingnood4u1" <lyingnood4u1@...>)
11218. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Biggest orgy known to mankind
       Is this some new kind of Border Expeditions? More Yahoo Friendly maybe? ... We ll a few members from our million want to organize this with other members from
       Aug 08, 2003 @ 00:53 - John Kelly ("John Kelly" <johnkelly@...>)
11219. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Birthday visit to international monument
       In light of the 1799 Ellicott s Stone in Alabama, I apologize for my inaccurate statement that the TXUX international boundary monument is the only existing
       Aug 08, 2003 @ 02:11 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11220. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Birthday visit to international monument
       Oh, I meant to ask: What is bus&ss ? Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: acroorca2002 To:
       Aug 08, 2003 @ 02:13 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11221. Re: Harsens Island MI border story
       a few self corrections & additions in the caus or rather gbus treaties of 1782 & 1814 the terminology of choice is simply the river or the middle of the river
       Aug 08, 2003 @ 04:48 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11222. Re: Birthday visit to international monument
       oops my silly shorthand but you are probably more familiar with it as van zandt boundaries of the united states & the several states ... monument
       Aug 08, 2003 @ 05:05 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11223. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Biggest orgy known to mankind
       Maybe it s being held at Four Corners? Or off on the New Jersey side of Ellis Island? ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder
       Aug 08, 2003 @ 05:09 - Asher Samuels (Asher Samuels <asher972@...>)
11224. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Birthday visit to international monument
       Oh! Page 102 of my edition of Van Zandt is about Connecticut, and this book contains no such photo even when discussing Louisiana and Texas on pages 166-177.
       Aug 08, 2003 @ 05:25 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11225. Spanish qp?
       Could anyone (most probably Marcel) confirm or deny the existence of a quadripoint of the Spanish provinces of Toledo, Ciudad Real, Badajoz and Cáceres? I
       Aug 08, 2003 @ 10:04 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
11226. Re: Spanish qp?
       Peter, It seems to exist this rock of four provinces, but I doubt there is a quadripoint. I have no good maps near now, but according this map, the qp doesn t
       Aug 08, 2003 @ 13:02 - marcelmiquelcat ("marcelmiquelcat" <marcelmiquel@...>)
11227. Re: Birthday visit to international monument
       ahhh good show fantastic & now it is all i who apologize for we had been cribbing from the 1976 edition only aka bus&ss76 in future but what year model do you
       Aug 08, 2003 @ 14:43 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11228. Re: Spanish qp?
       ... is ... map, ... Thanks, Marcel. It s a pity indeed. Could the provinces and/or communities involved be inclined to alter their boundaries just a little
       Aug 08, 2003 @ 15:59 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
11229. Re: Spanish qp?
       ... this ... would ... one, ... a ... now ... to ... hey cmon you guys stay happy go lucky now i bet marcel will come up with a truer & more beautiful map yet
       Aug 08, 2003 @ 16:11 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11230. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Birthday visit to international monument
       Mine is bus&ss66. I photocopied it from an original in the government documents repository at the Middleton Library at Louisiana State University about 25
       Aug 08, 2003 @ 16:14 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11231. Re: Birthday visit to international monument
       hmm sounds like you may have 50 pages of extra goodies there that none of us bus&ss76ers have ever seen are they in sendable format he asks lustily ...
       Aug 08, 2003 @ 16:38 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11232. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Birthday visit to international monument
       No, they re just on paper photocopies. Sorry. I d be glad to respond to questions about what is and is not contained. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana,
       Aug 08, 2003 @ 18:06 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11233. National Post Story
       Dear boundarypoint@yahoogroups.com, Your friend doug@borderfilms.com thought you might be interested in this National Post story: Pain in cattle and wheat
       Aug 08, 2003 @ 19:18 - doug@dougmurrayproductions.com (<doug@...>)
11234. x equals bus&ss66 minus bus&ss76
       lowell much obliged especially if you could feel for any prime cuts based on the attached reduced toc of 1976 & perhaps report on or even just describe
       Aug 08, 2003 @ 22:26 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@hotmail.com>)
11235. Re: [BoundaryPoint] x equals bus&ss66 minus bus&ss76
       Mike, I will do so as soon as I have the time to do it justice. That will probably be tomorrow. Based on the quickest of glances, you don t seem to be
       Aug 08, 2003 @ 23:35 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11236. Interstate building at Bethany, LATX
       In message 10655, I mentioned a visit years ago to a general store astride the state boundary at Bethany, Louisiana/Texas. It was a classic small store, then
       Aug 09, 2003 @ 03:35 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@msn.com>)
11237. second level enclave germany brandenburg - sachsenanhalt
       hi, casually i found this tiny enclave. its a bit of brandenburg, surrounded by sachsen-anhalt. even the inhabitants dont know about it. its north-east of
       Aug 09, 2003 @ 09:47 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@gmx.de>)
11238. Re: Interstate building at Bethany, LATX
       ... I wonder if the difference in the liquor laws comes into play here. Louisiana s are pretty lax. Adam
       Aug 09, 2003 @ 10:07 - adamnvillani ("adamnvillani" <avillani@...>)
11239. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Interstate building at Bethany, LATX
       When I visited this building some 30 years ago (as The Alexander Company), the store owner told me that it had been built that way long ago as a drinking
       Aug 09, 2003 @ 13:20 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11240. Toronto Globe And Mail border radio story
       This link leads to the Southern Ontario-Western New York radio message board. I couldn t find the story in today s on-line Globe And Mail.
       Aug 09, 2003 @ 14:13 - hilversum96 ("hilversum96" <hilversum96@...>)
11241. National Post Story
       Dear boundarypoint@yahoogroups.com, Your friend doug@borderfilms.com thought you might be interested in this National Post story: It s not enough to divide
       Aug 09, 2003 @ 15:22 - doug@dougmurrayproductions.com (<doug@...>)
11242. Re: National Post Story
       hahahaaaaa well it is true he almost deduced nyonqc at akwesasne & nearly saw bccawaw at point bobbie but otherwise hahahahaha well he should never have left
       Aug 09, 2003 @ 14:57 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11243. Re: Harsens Island MI border story
       just realized the dry segment of caus on seaway island could indeed have been caused either by avulsion or accretion since it was after all not part of a true
       Aug 09, 2003 @ 21:27 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11244. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Harsens Island MI border story
       ... That is quite true! Even the gracefully curving 49th parallel has been reduced to straight line-of-sight or great-circle segments between monuments.
       Aug 09, 2003 @ 22:02 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11245. Re: [BoundaryPoint] x equals bus&ss66 minus bus&ss76
       I have reviewed my bus&ss66, comparing it to the contents of your bus&ss76. They appear to be essentially the same. Mine has many more pages, but no
       Aug 09, 2003 @ 22:51 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11246. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Harsens Island MI border story
       For whatever it s worth, MICROSOFT STREETS & TRIPS 2001 shows approximately the northern two-fifths of the US portion of this Seaway Island to be included
       Aug 09, 2003 @ 23:17 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11247. Re: x equals bus&ss66 minus bus&ss76
       ahh well it could be entirely as you say since my guess that you have 50 more pages than our 190 here which was based on some comments you made earlier could
       Aug 09, 2003 @ 23:27 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11248. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: x equals bus&ss66 minus bus&ss76
       When I photocopied the book, it was very late at night. I was racing to get it all done before the library closed. For that reason, I stopped copying at the
       Aug 09, 2003 @ 23:46 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11249. Re: Birthday visit to international monument
       ... this book ... pages ... I have the photo on p102, in the section on GEORGIA (which ceded Alabama to the US in 1802). I have Zandt s 1976 edition, 191pp,
       Aug 10, 2003 @ 00:34 - amcirclevp ("amcirclevp" <bwhyte@...>)
11250. Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan begin border demarcation
       
       Aug 10, 2003 @ 00:56 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
11251. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: A Trifinium By Any Other Name...
       Does anyone have a photo of the Russian side of the monument??? - I have never seen one (to my knowledge)...only the NO and FI sides... -Mike K. ...
       Aug 10, 2003 @ 01:24 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
11252. Re: Harsens Island MI border story
       well it might coincide with the elusive corporate limits of whatever indian or municipal entity presently exists around there whether under the name of harsens
       Aug 10, 2003 @ 02:25 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11253. Re: x equals bus&ss66 minus bus&ss76
       aw fergit it then you dont have the dead sea scrolls but maybe only part of a gutenberg ... racing to get it ... copying at the ... not copy the ...
       Aug 10, 2003 @ 02:35 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11254. Re: Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan begin border demarcation
       does anyone have anything on kgkzuz &or kztmuz total virgins i believe ... to unilaterally ... Kazakh state and ... REPUBLIC ... DEMARCATION. Having agreed on
       Aug 10, 2003 @ 02:46 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11255. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: x equals bus&ss66 minus bus&ss76
       Sorry. I consider it a treasure anyway. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: acroorca2002 To:
       Aug 10, 2003 @ 02:54 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11256. More on LATX bi-state building
       I just thought to search for Bethany in THE HANDBOOK OF TEXAS ONLINE, a prestigious encyclopedia of 23,000 scholarly articles on everything Texan (
       Aug 10, 2003 @ 03:55 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11257. Re: More on LATX bi-state building
       wow so had he built it on a multipoint it could have had corners for sex & fireworks too ... TEXAS ONLINE, a ... everything Texan ( ... 1889 by a ... state
       Aug 10, 2003 @ 12:36 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11258. Re: Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan begin border demarcation
       & what is this odd mention of tin bigha in the news again now http://web.mid-day.com/news/world/2003/august/60729.htm & what is it really about anyway like are
       Aug 10, 2003 @ 14:09 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11259. mad magazine takes a victory lap
       http://tinyurl.com/jkvs
       Aug 10, 2003 @ 18:04 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11260. Soviet Topographic Maps
       Hello! I am looking for the Soviet topographic maps over the Baltic countries. But cannot find any. Earlier they were available several places on the net, but
       Aug 10, 2003 @ 18:33 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
11261. SAY IT AIN'T SO, MIKE!!!
       During the SBBE Linas (on the picture), our third Lithuanian border freak - a 32 years old biologist from Kaunas, and I discovered that there now are single
       Aug 10, 2003 @ 18:50 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@takas.lt>)
11262. Re: SAY IT AIN'T SO, MIKE!!!
       easy there babe it aint about the hardware anyway ... border freak - ... there now are ... have noticed the ... now only to be ... where we ... huge centre ...
       Aug 10, 2003 @ 19:22 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11263. kztmuz class e anyway
       the western terminus of the new kzuz is in the chink kaplankyr which is the southernmost spur of the ustyurt plateau situated roughly midway between the
       Aug 10, 2003 @ 19:37 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11264. kgkzuz class e too
       the tripoint is situated in the talas ala too range of mountains about 25km west of gora manas peak aka uzh upon kguz & again we have pix only of the general
       Aug 10, 2003 @ 20:54 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11265. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: More on LATX bi-state building
       ... Answer to first question: No. That was a stretch! Answer to second question: Maybe. The two towns, 108 miles apart, have much in common. Natchitoches
       Aug 11, 2003 @ 00:30 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11266. Re: kgkzuz class e too
       The tripoint has been established as the point where the Talasskij Alatau ridge is met by the Majdantal skij ridge, at the triangulation point Èatangat ,
       Aug 11, 2003 @ 08:51 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
11267. Divided Latvian-Russian Abrene farm
       Does somebody know something about this? Jan E-LIST(793) RFE/RL 23,26,27 juulil 1993 26.07: CHERNOMYRDIN ON RUSSIA S BORDERS WITH ESTONIA, LATVIA. On 24 July
       Aug 11, 2003 @ 12:20 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
11268. Re: kgkzuz class e too
       good show peter ... Talasskij ... triangulation ... http://www.expert.kg/cgi-bin/page.pl?id=1&story_name=doc79.s html ...
       Aug 11, 2003 @ 12:53 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11269. Re: More on LATX bi-state building
       for a report of a latx based paleodoches & a sense of the full latx based multidoches stretch please see http://members.tripod.com/~MWerb_2/CC020301.htm about
       Aug 11, 2003 @ 14:04 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11270. Re: More on LATX bi-state building
       better yet & still building on your building http://sfajacks.ocsn.com/trads/sasu-chief.html ... tree ... miles ... the ... Indians, ... the ... Denis ...
       Aug 11, 2003 @ 14:46 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11271. Re: second level enclave germany brandenburg - sachsenanhalt
       A very nice find, Chris. It s certainly news to me. The hamlet is apparently called Breddin Abbau, and the only street Breddiner Abbau. I couldn t find
       Aug 11, 2003 @ 15:15 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
11272. Re: Spanish qp?
       New maps -not better than previous- confirm that there is not a qp: http://www.iespana.es/cddp/comollegar.php (click map 4 ) and
       Aug 11, 2003 @ 15:47 - marcelmiquelcat ("marcelmiquelcat" <marcelmiquel@...>)
11273. buroyu?
       If I m not wrong, one of our last virtual and real virgin european tp is buroyu, at the confluence of Danube and Timok rivers. Do you know any photo or good
       Aug 11, 2003 @ 16:00 - marcelmiquelcat ("marcelmiquelcat" <marcelmiquel@...>)
11274. ketzug fish condo promoters up bid to full union
       but meanwhile the fishermen are still in jail http://www.nationaudio.com/News/DailyNation/Today/News/News1108200398.html & you know how these things go still
       Aug 11, 2003 @ 16:24 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11275. Re: buroyu? -> BGn, BGs, BGe, BGw
       Apparently, BGROYU = BGn: http://www.geocities.com/the_bulgarian_mountains/Prirodni_zabelejiteln osti/Krajnite_tochky.htm Here, BGn, BGs, BGw, and BGe are
       Aug 11, 2003 @ 17:18 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
11276. French qp
       Ballon d Alsace Peak (1247m); Quadripoint of four French départements : Haut-Rhin, Vosges, Haute-Saône and Territoire de Belfort... and Tripoint of three
       Aug 11, 2003 @ 18:00 - quadernet (quadernet <quadernet@yahoo.com>)
11277. Re: buroyu? -> BGn, BGs, BGe, BGw
       very good & while we are still only imagining this i have learned the bgyu timok is gray to black with metal tailings & bgro at least follows the thalweg of
       Aug 11, 2003 @ 18:16 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11278. Re: French qp
       http://www.ac-nancy-metz.fr/ia54/magnieres/internet3/vosges/ballon.htm ... French départements : Haut-Rhin, Vosges, Haute-Saône and Territoire de Belfort...
       Aug 11, 2003 @ 18:26 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11279. Re: French qp
       I don t want to be a spoilsport and I may well be wrong, but I just would like to see a good topomap, because I m not convinced that Haute-Saône reaches up to
       Aug 11, 2003 @ 18:39 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
11280. Re: French qp
       thanx for pursuing the closer look & indeed enhancing the sport & i bounce my ballon pic to class e for now still unburst but suspended in the name of possibly
       Aug 11, 2003 @ 19:14 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11281. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: More on LATX bi-state building
       Oh yes, I ve heard those sappy, romanticized fairy tales about those [sometimes blond!] Indian princes, but I tend to reach for my wallet whenever I do. Don t
       Aug 11, 2003 @ 23:50 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11282. Re: [BoundaryPoint] French qp
       2 pics from old TP CH/D/F to 1918. Since 1918 is there the Border CH/F and of F-Site the departement boundary Haut-Rhin and Territoire de Belfort. You can to
       Aug 12, 2003 @ 05:18 - udomet@gmx.de (udomet@gmx.de)
11283. Re: French qp -> old CHDEFR
       Nice one. See also the link at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/1623 . Do you know what CS stands for? Peter S. ... CH/F and ... Belfort.
       Aug 12, 2003 @ 05:57 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
11284. Re: French qp -> old CHDEFR
       ... confederation suisse ... Border ... de ... year ... part of
       Aug 12, 2003 @ 11:00 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11285. Re: French qp
       maybe the qp -or tp- monument: http://alsace0.chez.tiscali.fr/alsace/Ballon.html marcel
       Aug 12, 2003 @ 11:08 - marcelmiquelcat ("marcelmiquelcat" <marcelmiquel@...>)
11286. Re: French qp
       yes i would buy that even if it is a little unusual for a summit multipoint rock & if true then maybe this class c view is the dimple on top of my class d try
       Aug 12, 2003 @ 11:34 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11287. Lithuanian-Russian state border agreement comes into effect
       Today on August 12th 2003 the Lithuanian foreign minister Mr. Antanas Valionis and the Russian ambassador Mr. Yuri Zubakov signed the final ratification of the
       Aug 12, 2003 @ 19:38 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
11288. Re: Lithuanian-Russian state border agreement comes into effect
       wow does this mean the duma has already ratified it wow also do you know does the agreement say if the boundary follows the thalweg or the middle of the
       Aug 13, 2003 @ 00:58 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11289. Re: More on LATX bi-state building
       well our persimmons & papaws are no sappier than our latex but unless our rock of arlatx has itself begun to stretch or lean at all in any direction from off
       Aug 13, 2003 @ 04:45 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11290. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Lithuanian-Russian state border agreement comes into effect
       Both houses of the Duma and Putin have ratified it. (This has earlier been reported here.) There is no demarcation agreement yet as the commission did not
       Aug 13, 2003 @ 05:41 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
11291. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: More on LATX bi-state building
       Whenever I go, I will remember to take measurement tools as you suggest. As I recall, the tree is a sweet gum (Liquidamber styraciflua), perhaps the sappiest
       Aug 13, 2003 @ 05:34 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11292. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Lithuanian-Russian state border agreement comes into effect
       Mike, The exchange of notes have been taking part recently, and the yesterday signing ended the process of making a border between Lithuania and Russia legal,
       Aug 13, 2003 @ 06:55 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
11293. Re: Lithuanian-Russian state border agreement comes into effect
       jan it seems strange that all these people would have spent all this time agreeing to a description of their border without specifying the regimes governing
       Aug 13, 2003 @ 06:56 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11294. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Lithuanian-Russian state border agreement comes into effect
       According to what I can see only the Lithuanian position is clear so far. But for instance there is no clear idea where the compensation for Vistytis shall be
       Aug 13, 2003 @ 08:19 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
11295. Re: Lithuanian-Russian state border agreement comes into effect
       ok jan beautiful we are cruising now & tho my beloved ancestral lithuanian is greek to me i doubt the compensation question will affect the river borders & i
       Aug 13, 2003 @ 13:28 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11296. mauritanian qp class e retry
       the following followup report has been reconstituted from concentrate after the original which was launched yesterday has turned up missing in the yahoo ether
       Aug 13, 2003 @ 14:50 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11297. Re: mauritanian qp class e retry again
       oops the ghost town & hilltop url has now been corrected below ... later ... the ... if
       Aug 13, 2003 @ 14:55 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11298. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Lithuanian-Russian state border agreement comes into effect
       When it comes to DEDK I have great plans about making a book on the history of making the border. What particularly interests me is off course the odd,
       Aug 13, 2003 @ 18:37 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11299. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: French qp -> old CHDEFR
       ... CS is the shortening for Conföderation Suisse (fr. language). Udo -- COMPUTERBILD 15/03: Premium-e-mail-Dienste im Test ... 1. GMX TopMail - Platz 1 und
       Aug 13, 2003 @ 20:39 - udomet@gmx.de (udomet@...)
11300. Re: More on LATX bi-state building
       ahaha so goody & gum drops upon it also i have learned the exact length of the rock is 48 inches per bus&ss under louisiana tho perhaps only 15 or 18 inches of
       Aug 14, 2003 @ 02:16 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11301. Re: mauritanian qp class e retry again
       the tanzanian megapoint if any for not all maps agree it is really there as a qp rather than 2 tps also appears to form a somewhat diagonal crisscross but does
       Aug 14, 2003 @ 02:50 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11302. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: More on LATX bi-state building
       I agree with most of your analysis, but I think you underestimate the power of a large tree (and this was quite a large tree even 25 years ago) to move man s
       Aug 14, 2003 @ 04:01 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11303. arlatx pic may 1997
       given the unusually low stature above ground of the 48 inch long stone post pictured in the attachment any significant upheaval of it by the tree seems
       Aug 14, 2003 @ 14:16 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@hotmail.com>)
11304. Re: [BoundaryPoint] arlatx pic may 1997
       Thanks for the photo. You are probably correct. I would not expect any bedrock at all in this location--not within the range of tree roots anyway, much less
       Aug 14, 2003 @ 14:04 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11305. Re: arlatx pic may 1997
       & while we are contemplating wandering monuments as well as comparing jacks 1991 pic of arlatx & the rest of his entirely earth moving book which i hope
       Aug 14, 2003 @ 16:05 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11306. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: arlatx pic may 1997
       Perhaps you are referring to manyvt, not manhvt. The latter is the mud turtle. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: acroorca2002
       Aug 14, 2003 @ 16:31 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11307. Re: [IBRG] Re: border X ing
       Oh the pressure of BZGTMX! But: I have found out information from the local Mennonite community that there is a marker there of some kind (I remain skeptical)
       Aug 14, 2003 @ 17:07 - In Belize (Doug Murray (In Belize) <doug@...>)
11308. Re: Classes
       hi jan gladly message 8244 may be too condensed of an answer while 4734 & 4652 may be more than you really wanted to know also about using the latin words
       Aug 14, 2003 @ 18:21 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11309. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Classes
       Mike, remember my comment about complicating matters unnecessary? Jesper ... From: Michael Donner To: jan.krogh@takas.lt Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 8:21
       Aug 14, 2003 @ 18:23 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11310. Re: arlatx pic may 1997
       yes thats it glad someone is paying attention ... the mud ... pdf ... is in ... his ... class ... dimple ... revisit to ... ground ... comparison
       Aug 14, 2003 @ 18:23 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11311. Re: Classes
       yes thanx again good point my friend & for you i do & will continue to remember so for example if you had asked this question i would have just answered a
       Aug 14, 2003 @ 19:52 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11312. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Classes
       Mike This answer was very clear and right on. Keep up the good work :-) Jesper ... From: acroorca2002 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August
       Aug 14, 2003 @ 19:57 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11313. MDROUAs+MDROUAn
       S http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/EART/x-ussr/100k/L-35-093.jpg N http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/EART/x-ussr/100k/M-35-138.jpg
       Aug 14, 2003 @ 20:51 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11314. [IBRG] Re: border X ing
       ... hahahaha yet not really for you dont actually have to go there for it to count you only have to try & not just that if you throw in a gthnsv try while in
       Aug 15, 2003 @ 02:05 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11315. Re: MDROUAs+MDROUAn
       ... The tripoint will most likely have moved more to the east, as the MDUA border has moved here. Remember there was a deal involving the road in Palanca (MD),
       Aug 15, 2003 @ 08:26 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
11316. bzgtmx coords old & new
       doug ... on closer examination the maybe 100 meters which i wildly guessed above for the distance between the 2 markers is looking more like 190 meters now
       Aug 15, 2003 @ 08:51 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11317. Re: Classes
       thanx you too it is such good work because it is such good play just as good luck is really a matter of skill & i am so excited for doug this week what do you
       Aug 15, 2003 @ 14:20 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11318. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Classes
       I believe in a class a. And I envy him. Jesper ... From: m06079 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 4:20 PM Subject:
       Aug 15, 2003 @ 18:30 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11319. bzgtmx corrected & simplified
       doug you may never read this nor ever have needed it since this time we are guessing your locals will actually know haha old hat stuff like
       Aug 15, 2003 @ 20:14 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11320. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Classes
       I will be meeting the Mennonites that will provide transportation this weekend, although the attempt is still a week or two away. While we are up in Blue
       Aug 16, 2003 @ 02:20 - In Belize (Doug Murray (In Belize) <doug@...>)
11321. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: A Trifinium By Any Other Name...
       I have seen a photo of the Russian side, but searching for it on the net nothing is showing up. I think I saw it on a Russian (Kola) site. I will post it to
       Aug 16, 2003 @ 05:17 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
11322. Just who does the Iceman belong to?
       Excerpt from: http://www.zeiss.com/C125679B0029303C/EmbedTitelIntern/inno11e_0811/$File/in no11e_0811.pdf Just who does the Iceman belong to? In the very first
       Aug 16, 2003 @ 07:32 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
11323. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: A Trifinium By Any Other Name...
       Nederlands: drielandenpunt ============== brazilian: ponto tripartite catalan: trifini français: trijonction german: dreiländereck (dreilaendereck) italian:
       Aug 16, 2003 @ 07:42 - Harry ten Veen (Harry ten Veen <h.ten.veen@...>)
11324. FINORU -> RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: A Trifinium By Any Other Name...
       The Russian side of the FINORU marker was using the name of Muotkavaara (in Cyrillic letters). Muotkavaara is also the Finnish name of the place, but do no
       Aug 16, 2003 @ 08:26 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
11325. Re: A Trifinium By Any Other Name...
       welcome home harry & perfect timing as usual in fact exquisite timing as our other world class bronze medalist what do you think will happen at bzgtmx & el
       Aug 16, 2003 @ 12:59 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11326. chfrit map
       a good map at: http://alpinet.free.fr/cartes/dolent.jpg marcel
       Aug 16, 2003 @ 13:44 - marcelmiquelcat ("marcelmiquelcat" <marcelmiquel@...>)
11327. why trifinia werent points but areas
       http://citd.scar.utoronto.ca/CITDPress/holtorf/5.2.8.html
       Aug 16, 2003 @ 13:47 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11328. Re: djeret soon but eretsd much later
       nevertheless the good news in suspense & no longer even news except perhaps to sluggards like me is that both the djeret & eretsd tripoints are already much
       Aug 16, 2003 @ 17:25 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11329. Re: A Trifinium By Any Other Name...
       ... http://thesaurus.reference.com/search?q=tripoint tripping & dripping sounded good for starters but i guess we really just dont have that word in english
       Aug 16, 2003 @ 18:22 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11330. more wandering rocks ohpawv to dry ohn
       now that was a wandering rock manyvt to manhvt & back to manyvt thanx to lowell but i hope you all caught up with it or will do so before it falls over & here
       Aug 16, 2003 @ 19:38 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11331. Presenting eee on www
       http://www.nicolette.dk/diverse/eeeonwww.htm Jesper
       Aug 16, 2003 @ 19:43 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11332. 1 more wandering rock
       http://users.adelphia.net/~brmetcalf/rr/monument.htm jesper eee was gorgeous & deserves a full set of multi cardinal extremity mates if indeed there are any
       Aug 16, 2003 @ 20:28 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11333. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Presenting eee on www
       Pretty picture, but would someone please explain what eee is? Thanks, Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: Jesper Nielsen To:
       Aug 17, 2003 @ 01:21 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11334. Re: Presenting eee on www
       eee is the easternmost point of estonia aka ee in our wacky code of which jespers pic is the only known photo on the www sss is the airport at siassi in papua
       Aug 17, 2003 @ 02:21 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11335. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Presenting eee on www
       Thanks. I think! :-) Lowell ... From: acroorca2002 To: Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 9:21 PM Subject:
       Aug 17, 2003 @ 04:07 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11336. Re: Presenting eee on www
       well i should probably add the so called news tour or in other words the touching of all 4 cardinal extremities of any given thing as an ensemble or a multiple
       Aug 17, 2003 @ 16:07 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11337. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Presenting eee on www
       Brilliant! ... http://www.geogr.uni-goettingen.de/kus/pics/png1/seib08.jpg ... http://www.geogr.uni-goettingen.de/kus/pics/png01.htm ...
       Aug 17, 2003 @ 19:05 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
11338. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Presenting eee on www
       OK, I ll play. Here s the hhh monument in Minnesota: http://collections.mnhs.org/VisualResources/VRDBImages/pf030/pf030081.jpg Here s lll, which appears to be
       Aug 17, 2003 @ 20:29 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11339. Re: Presenting eee on www
       thanx mats of course the brilliancy in this is all jespers & we are just following suit as much as possible & happily i can already report back in again that
       Aug 17, 2003 @ 22:07 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11340. Re: Presenting eee on www
       & yesss we have a lilau vocabulary even if not of biblical proportions still a real swatch http://www.rosettaproject.org/live/search/contribute/swadesh/vie
       Aug 17, 2003 @ 22:46 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11341. Re: ketzug fish condo promoters up bid to full union
       meanwhile back in the real world of tripointing a tripartite commission is formed within the existing loosely constituted ketzug political association & it
       Aug 18, 2003 @ 00:58 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11342. BZ-MX
       More info about the BZGTMX tripoint: locals have confirmed the existence of 2 monuments. I have made loose arrangements to visit the spot, but it involved
       Aug 19, 2003 @ 05:00 - in Belize (Doug Murray (in Belize) <doug@...>)
11343. Re: BZ-MX
       ... to visit the ... Mennonite ... about ... take me ... for the ... Village, Belize ... it ... continued a couple ... walked to the ... come fetch ... our ...
       Aug 19, 2003 @ 14:32 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11344. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: BZ-MX
       There is a good map of this remote corner of Mexico at http://tinyurl.com/ki3p . This map shows considerable fine-scale revision of the boundary between the
       Aug 19, 2003 @ 17:33 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11345. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BZ-MX
       Go get it Doug! Nice x-ings into Mexico. Why don t you ask the border officials for help? They should have good maps and maybe they are just starting out on an
       Aug 19, 2003 @ 18:28 - Harry ten Veen (Harry ten Veen <h.ten.veen@...>)
11346. NOxx
       http://www.statkart.no/IPS/?module=Articles;action=ArticleFolder.publicOpenFolder;ID=313 The site is in Norvergian about Norway and her borders. It s from the
       Aug 19, 2003 @ 20:35 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11347. Re: ketzug fish condo promoters up bid to full union
       & meanwhile again tzug gets the resurvey & new set of markers it has been expecting since message 8978 & has been needing since idi amin
       Aug 19, 2003 @ 20:50 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11348. Re: great american border follies continue
       & voila matching commissions from both states are now ready to roll & pledge to review the line all the way to ctmari whether it needs it or not
       Aug 19, 2003 @ 21:14 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11349. Re: new hazard alert at aznmso mxus
       ... http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/local/7_21_03border_sensors.htm l ... this one gets dumber too in fact dont even bother visiting there for awhile in fact just
       Aug 19, 2003 @ 21:27 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11350. RE: [BoundaryPoint] NOxx
       Superb! It s a lot of information on these pages, but unfortunately not in English yet. It s also mentioned that it is made a FINO CD including all 37 border
       Aug 19, 2003 @ 21:41 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
11351. Re: BZ-MX
       ... http://tinyurl.com/ki3p . ... boundary between the ... what is shown on most ... According to this map ... the state of ... yes & the bzgtmx tripoint if
       Aug 19, 2003 @ 23:18 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11352. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: BZ-MX
       The simple outline maps on the web sites of both the states of Campeche and Quintana Roo show their boundaries in the more conventional manner, so I don t know
       Aug 20, 2003 @ 00:03 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11353. Re: BZ-MX
       wonderful i would love to get to the bottom of this great mexican state line mystery at last also i just noticed at pcl that the cia continues to place bzgtmx
       Aug 20, 2003 @ 01:13 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11354. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: BZ-MX
       This boundary between Campeche and Quintana Roo is most unusual! I have a 1916 map that shows the stem of the martini glass offset to the west of the bzgt
       Aug 20, 2003 @ 06:16 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11355. Re: BZ-MX
       good going & so at the very least we can now hope to find our first known mexican multistate monument in the middle of the ruins of a colonial church in the
       Aug 20, 2003 @ 13:54 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11356. guinea liberia sierra leone long shot
       the gnlrsl tripoint described here http://home.worldonline.dk/jesniel/border/african_tripoints.htm#gnlrsl is probably framed in the makona river pic that
       Aug 21, 2003 @ 00:10 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
11357. State boundaries, SE Mexico
       I ve done a lot of searching today on the subject of the boundaries of the Mexican states of Campeche, Quintana Roo, and Yucatán. I have not made much
       Aug 21, 2003 @ 03:56 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11358. Equator/Greenwich
       Fellow pointers, Following a bug in geographic software produced at my company, our customers found all their cars, lorries, ships and other vehicles clustered
       Aug 20, 2003 @ 21:12 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
11359. Re: State boundaries, SE Mexico
       lowell ... Put match that ... well considering that we dont know what datum any of these longitudes are expressed in they could vary from one another by as
       Aug 21, 2003 @ 06:33 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11360. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Equator/Greenwich
       I haven t Mats. But it has always been a disapointment to me that that point is wet, very wet. Jesper ... Fellow pointers, Following a bug
       Aug 21, 2003 @ 06:39 - jesniel@image.dk (jesniel@...)
11361. Re: Equator/Greenwich
       heres the best available class e visit per your request so no disappointment or wetness is necessary
       Aug 21, 2003 @ 07:04 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11362. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Equator/Greenwich
       In a message dated 8/21/03 12:19:34 AM, blofeld_es@yahoo.com writes:
       Aug 21, 2003 @ 11:21 - spookymike@aol.com (spookymike@...)
11363. Re: Equator/Greenwich
       ... remember that ... shellback ... Ensigns had ... cruise, where the ... swimming pool. When we ... that he had not been ... fact the young ... court.
       Aug 21, 2003 @ 14:39 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11364. bzgtmx & mx2caquyu
       from an earlier discovery ... it however this article in spanish http://www.larevista.com.mx/ed638/opi10.htm identifies bzgtmx as monument 186 so perhaps i
       Aug 21, 2003 @ 17:19 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11365. FW: [BoundaryPoint] Equator/Greenwich
       Mats, here it is (1020 metres off only): http://www.confluence.org/confluence.php?lat=0&lon=0 Mvh Jan -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG
       Aug 21, 2003 @ 18:09 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
11366. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Equator/Greenwich
       Brilliant It s actually marked. Less wet then. Jesper ... From: Jan S. Krogh To: Boundary Point Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:09 PM Subject: FW:
       Aug 21, 2003 @ 18:17 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11367. Re: Equator/Greenwich
       ... FYI, the Degree Confluence Project reports a (very close) visit to this point: http://www.confluence.org/confluence.php?id=13976 Ross.
       Aug 21, 2003 @ 18:52 - Ross Finlayson (Ross Finlayson <finlayson@...>)
11368. Re: Equator/Greenwich
       ... to this ... in fact thats class d above & beyond the call of class e landed on the message board at high noon too
       Aug 21, 2003 @ 20:28 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11369. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Equator/Greenwich
       What entity would have gone to the considerable expense of anchoring a buoy in what is probably 15,000 feet of water to mark the Equator/Greenwich confluence,
       Aug 21, 2003 @ 20:42 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11370. State boundaries, SE Mexico
       I have just heard from my friend in Cozumel. He has forwarded my questions to contacts that he has at the Universidad de Quintana Roo. Lowell G. McManus
       Aug 22, 2003 @ 02:41 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11371. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Equator/Greenwich
       No doubt, it was someone who, like us, thinks of it as important, and was samrt enough to hide the paperwork in a stack of more usefull requests. Asher Samuels
       Aug 22, 2003 @ 05:49 - Asher Samuels (Asher Samuels <asher972@...>)
11372. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Equator/Greenwich
       Lowell, The purpose is most probably of meteorological origin. Jan -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus
       Aug 22, 2003 @ 08:45 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
11373. second level pene enclave in germany near tripoint baden-w ürttemberg/bayern/hessen
       hi, just found this funny hesselbach. it belongs to hesseneck, which means edge of hessen. you can reach hesselbach only from bavaria or baden-württemberg.
       Aug 22, 2003 @ 11:45 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@gmx.de>)
11374. multiple tsunami report
       well we have apparently survived just fine that is assuming you can still read this but the modifications to our bp sandcastling beachscape tho long heralded &
       Aug 22, 2003 @ 13:16 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11375. Chris - your attached pic doesn't store on Yahoogroups, anymore
       To show us a photo, you need to load it into the photos folder at the left side of your screen. You can t send an email with an attachment and have the
       Aug 22, 2003 @ 14:38 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
11376. CD of Archived Messages - Photos are full. Important!!!
       During the extended period prior to deletion of message attachments by Yahoo, I managed to capture abnout 10,000 messages and their associated attachments onto
       Aug 22, 2003 @ 14:51 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
11377. Re: Chris - your attached pic doesn't store on Yahoogroups, anymore
       len only the 6 moderators can even read messages off the board right now other members are drawing blanks due to download limits try reading off the board
       Aug 22, 2003 @ 15:27 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11378. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Chris - your attached pic doesn't store on Yahoogroups, anymore
       On the contrary: I received Chris s Hesslebach map just fine as an attachment to his message via the group. The changes at Yahoo Groups are not intended to
       Aug 22, 2003 @ 16:25 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11379. Re: Chris - your attached pic doesn't store on Yahoogroups, anymore
       ok good & the message board has cleared up too but i havent received chrisses or any of the latest messages as emails yet so there are evidently still spotty
       Aug 22, 2003 @ 16:31 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11380. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Chris - your attached pic doesn't store on Yahoogroups, anymore
       There s a lot of that going around. I run another large group of over 500 members. I notice that some posts go right through while others take several hours,
       Aug 22, 2003 @ 16:50 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11381. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Chris - your attached pic doesn't store on Yahoogroups, anymore
       I receive all messages by e-mail. The little map that Chris sent was attached to the e-mail! So no problem here. I almost never log in to the Yahoo server.
       Aug 22, 2003 @ 18:24 - Harry ten Veen (Harry ten Veen <h.ten.veen@...>)
11382. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Equator/Greenwich
       from the official Greenwich site: http://greenwichmeridian.com/equator.htm gl Harry ten Veen
       Aug 22, 2003 @ 18:29 - Harry ten Veen (Harry ten Veen <h.ten.veen@...>)
11383. aroktx thrown into question by doves
       as you probably recall oktx was restored by the compact of 2000 to the vegetation line on the south bank of the red river so that for example in this map of
       Aug 22, 2003 @ 18:39 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
11384. Re: Chris - your attached pic doesn't store on Yahoogroups, anymore
       Lowell just pointed out to me that the attachments are going to those who subscribe to have the messages come to them by email - which means some of you who
       Aug 23, 2003 @ 02:08 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
11385. lightering
       ... good thanx thats a true help i think whoever contributed all these materials in the first place should first consider removing any of their own that are
       Aug 23, 2003 @ 03:43 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11386. fie on eue not a multipoint
       http://www.helsinki-hs.net/news.asp?id=20010807IE11 actually the familiar helping hand symbol in the photo makes it look more like fie on the corner corner
       Aug 23, 2003 @ 03:56 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11387. Re: multiple tsunami report
       & on this even more beautiful morning of the day after the tsunami happily all remaining systems are go condition solid green on the beach chrisses attachment
       Aug 23, 2003 @ 13:45 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11388. victoria heavy tz is nyasa lightweight
       http://allafrica.com/stories/200308220609.html http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/africa/malawi.jpg
       Aug 23, 2003 @ 15:55 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11389. Re: [BoundaryPoint] lightering
       ... I am receiveing messages via e-mail to a Yahoo-account, which has limited stortage, so although I do receive all attachments I have no room to store them
       Aug 23, 2003 @ 17:38 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
11390. Re: [BoundaryPoint] lightering
       Here s how to greatly lighten the load in the Photos section without losing anything: When a member uploads a photo, Yahoo Groups saves three versions of it:
       Aug 23, 2003 @ 18:46 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11391. malaysia evidently denies brunei a limbang corridor
       early reports of recent meetings apparently indicate brunei will remain 2 separate pieces of land linked only by its maritime territory & may be negotiating a
       Aug 23, 2003 @ 20:01 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11392. Re: lightering
       good deal sounds like another unadvertised bonus of our new service would you like to try it out on us before we go so far as to really jettison anything &
       Aug 23, 2003 @ 23:43 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11393. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: lightering
       Will do. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: m06079 To: Sent: Saturday, August
       Aug 24, 2003 @ 00:00 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11394. Re: lightering
       During the last 2½ hours, I have gone through the entire Photos section and have deleted all full-size files. The screen-size version of all photos can still
       Aug 24, 2003 @ 02:21 - lowellgmcmanus ("lowellgmcmanus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11395. Re: lightering
       wow gotta love this great new service less is more ... Photos ... always. ... MB ... forget ... anything ... McManus ... section ... three ... uploaded ... of
       Aug 24, 2003 @ 11:27 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11396. nyqcvt nhqcvt etc the hard way
       http://tinyurl.com/l0fi
       Aug 24, 2003 @ 12:29 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11397. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: lightering
       This is not new. It has always been possible for moderators to delete the full-size files from the Photos section. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA
       Aug 24, 2003 @ 13:51 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11398. Re: lightering
       indeed it is a great new service to bp by you please take another bow ... delete the
       Aug 24, 2003 @ 14:15 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11399. NO Government suggests visa free NOFIRU National Park
       The Norwegian Minister of Environment Mr. Boerge Brende suggests an international borderless (probably it means visa free) national park around NOFIRU. The
       Aug 24, 2003 @ 17:41 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
11400. RE: [BoundaryPoint] NO Government suggests visa free NOFIRU National Park
       When it comes to the point maybe it was the Finns who started this project of «transboundary cooperation of protected areas»:
       Aug 24, 2003 @ 20:48 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
11401. Re: NO Government suggests visa free NOFIRU National Park
       hahahaha when it comes to the point your own point here jan wasnt the point in the first place dont you remember but just a little finoru lip service souffle
       Aug 24, 2003 @ 23:19 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11402. BZMX: Photo
       Here s a digital snap of the BZMX crossing at La Union, Mexico / Blue Creek Village, Belize. Looking north across the Rio Hondo from Belize. Small boats ferry
       Aug 25, 2003 @ 16:58 - In Belize (Doug Murray (In Belize) <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
11403. ozark county govt just yells up from the next holler
       talk about no government in the news today http://www.nwanews.com/adg/story_National.php?storyid=39884
       Aug 25, 2003 @ 16:58 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
11404. Re: BZMX: Photo
       can anyone who received this snap by email repost it to our new improved photos section so our man on the bzgtmx scene can at least have a wider audience in
       Aug 25, 2003 @ 17:10 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11405. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: NO Government suggests visa free NOFIRU National Park
       I am not following you, Mike. (It s not the first time ;-) The Norwegian minister seems to suggest a visa free area in the area. I have today asked the
       Aug 25, 2003 @ 17:53 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
11406. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: BZMX: Photo
       I ll do it. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: m06079 To: Sent: Monday,
       Aug 25, 2003 @ 18:27 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11407. Re: NO Government suggests visa free NOFIRU National Park
       yes good thanx you do follow & by all means please do let us know as soon as you do learn what the minister meant who seemed to suggest this delightfully airy
       Aug 25, 2003 @ 18:46 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11408. Re: BZMX: Photo
       thanx nicely done & seekers will find it at the end of the photos section but i am pretty sure this is really still the rio azul here rather than the rio hondo
       Aug 25, 2003 @ 19:02 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11409. Re: BZMX: Photo
       also since only 61 of our 218 memberships specify individual email delivery it seems we have either multiplied dougs potential audience or we have a multitude
       Aug 25, 2003 @ 21:00 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11410. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: BZMX: Photo
       You are correct. This is the Río Azul. I will fix it forthwith! Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: m06079
       Aug 25, 2003 @ 21:46 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11411. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: BZMX: Photo
       I m pretty sure that it is the Hondo... locals called it the Hondo, rule #1 notwithstanding. I will check and confirm... Doug ... ... Doug Murray
       Aug 25, 2003 @ 21:59 - In Belize (Doug Murray (In Belize) <doug@...>)
11412. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] UAE Internal Borders
       the attached speculations from message 8209 posted late last year about the probable wetness of the aeqasa tripoint are potentially confirmed by the
       Aug 25, 2003 @ 23:20 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11413. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ozark county govt just yells up from the next holler
       Mike, If I understand you correctly, I think that you have the lines reversed. The stepped boundary is the oral de facto line, while the de jure line wanders
       Aug 25, 2003 @ 23:44 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11414. Re: BZMX: Photo
       no problem doug so long as these locals arent the same locals who will be guiding you to the tripoint just kidding of course & we are all in luck here because
       Aug 26, 2003 @ 00:14 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11415. Re: ozark county govt just yells up from the next holler
       ahh right you are of course for this to have been at all remarkable the government had to yell up from the next holler over & not from the same holler at all &
       Aug 26, 2003 @ 00:58 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11416. Mini Point Roberts in Quebec
       Anyone aware of a miniature Point Roberts, Province Point, on the western side of Lake Champlain, which appears to have a boundary pillar 632/633/100. To the
       Aug 26, 2003 @ 00:52 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
11417. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ozark county govt just yells up from the next holler
       Attached is a scan of the area in question from THE ROADS OF ARKANSAS atlas. I have added two yellow arrows (at lower left and upper right) to indicate the
       Aug 26, 2003 @ 01:50 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@msn.com>)
11418. Re: Mini Point Roberts in Quebec
       mentioned here perhaps a dozen times beginning in message 420 or earlier but finally visited for the first time only in message 10882 good reports &
       Aug 26, 2003 @ 02:12 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11419. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: BZMX: Photo
       While trying to sort our these rivers today, I found on a tour company s web site a reference to the bridge across Río Bravo as one approaches Blue Creek
       Aug 26, 2003 @ 02:19 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11420. hungry timor again begs fat oz to hurry eez border deal
       http://www.forbes.com/business/energy/newswire/2003/08/26/rtr 1066083.html as continued today from message 10026 of course after delaying long enough not to
       Aug 26, 2003 @ 16:00 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11421. Re: ozark county govt just yells up from the next holler
       nice points & nicely pointed out & fashionably late arriving in my mailbox too er dont you think this oral de jure yell you have so clearly demonstrated should
       Aug 26, 2003 @ 16:07 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11422. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ozark county govt just yells up from the next holler
       Someone else will have go do any enshrining. I trashed the scan after sending it. I have the atlas, after all. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA
       Aug 26, 2003 @ 16:36 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11423. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] UAE Internal Borders
       this settles it tho aeqasa is definitely wet beginning about halfway down the page http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/watch/policywatch/policywatc
       Aug 26, 2003 @ 17:17 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11424. Re: Harsens Island MI border story
       this odd but still plausible site http://www.ucalgary.ca/~amcewen/MaineCanpp.ppt appears to confirm my impression given below that the king of the netherlands
       Aug 26, 2003 @ 20:45 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11425. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] UAE Internal Borders
       & here is the full exposition behind the glib version http://www.ucalgary.ca/~amcewen/MaineCan.pdf but it is evidently limited only to the saint croix river
       Aug 26, 2003 @ 20:57 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11426. Harsens Island / Blue Water Bridge boundary markers
       At the Tall Ships Sarnia festival last weekend, I spotted a St. Clair River chart on one of the Great Lakes cruise ships. I asked one of the crew members if he
       Aug 26, 2003 @ 20:57 - hilversum96 ("hilversum96" <hilversum96@...>)
11427. DE2BYSNTH
       The so-called Drei-Freistaaten-Stein (Free States of Bavaria, Saxony, and Thuringia): http://tinyurl.com/la1p and http://tinyurl.com/la1v ; another
       Aug 26, 2003 @ 21:18 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
11428. Re: [BoundaryPoint] DE2BYSNTH DE2BWBYHE
       Hi Peter, just yesterday i found this description of a Dreiländerstein little more to the west. Here are the links: http://www.donebach.de/dreiland.htm
       Aug 27, 2003 @ 04:58 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
11429. Re: DE2BYSNTH DE2BWBYHE
       http://iquebec.ifrance.com/rolf1/countries/deu may help nongermanophones with the code & please dont hesitate to throw us a highlight or 2 when posting so much
       Aug 27, 2003 @ 13:51 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11430. fewer CAUS border inspectors this holiday weekend
       http://www.detnews.com/2003/metro/0308/27/metro-255754.htm
       Aug 27, 2003 @ 14:10 - hilversum96 ("hilversum96" <hilversum96@...>)
11431. Re: DE2BYSNTH DE2BWBYHE
       ... That is Bernd ( http://grenzen.150m.com/germantripointsD.htm ). He forgot, however, DE2BYSNTH. ... and MVNISH BBMVNI BBNIST not forgetting DEPL2BBMVZP
       Aug 27, 2003 @ 14:35 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
11432. Re: DE2BYSNTH DE2BWBYHE etc.
       Another addition: Bernd mentions the tripoint DE2BBMVST (no. 05 at http://grenzen.150m.com/germantripointsD.htm ). That should be DE2BBNIST. The total German
       Aug 27, 2003 @ 16:17 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
11433. Re: DE2BYSNTH DE2BWBYHE
       ahhh thank you & this means we have just witnessed the first known claim that there even are so many as 15 members of de2 proper very nice indeed see what
       Aug 27, 2003 @ 16:30 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11434. New Canadian Territory
       It looks like Canada will have a new Territory carved out of the Northwest Territory. The Dogrib Tribe has negotiated an agreement with the Canadian Government
       Aug 27, 2003 @ 18:45 - Andrew T. Patton (Andrew T. Patton <andrew@...>)
11435. Re: Harsens Island / Blue Water Bridge boundary markers
       thanx for doubling back this entire adventure has been a pleasure & an education for me & i did say i would be peeking in with you so let me just add i would
       Aug 27, 2003 @ 19:16 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11436. DE2HENWRP
       According to http://tinyurl.com/le76 , http://tinyurl.com/le79 is the tripoint. But acc. to http://staff-www.uni-marburg.de/~braemer/rotcart.htm , the tripoint
       Aug 27, 2003 @ 20:13 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
11437. DE2SNSTTH
       At the end of http://www.vg-dreilaendereck.de/langendorf.htm , there is a picture of a stone that might be DE2SNSTTH. It says that it used to be the tripoint
       Aug 27, 2003 @ 20:33 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
11438. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Yahoo's changing the rules on us
       ... From: acroorca2002 To: Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 10:38 AM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Yahoo s
       Aug 27, 2003 @ 23:05 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
11439. Re: Yahoo's changing the rules on us
       ... suggested ... gmane.org s ... seemed to be ... archiving ... think this ... in my opinion this or any other such enhancement you could so easily & gladly
       Aug 28, 2003 @ 00:25 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11440. de2 roundup international section
       ... 05 at ... be ... result of ... condominium is not ... course), but ... case. ... should be ... that. ... happily no corrections but for the completeness
       Aug 28, 2003 @ 00:56 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11441. de2 roundup domestic section updated
       
       Aug 28, 2003 @ 00:59 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11442. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Yahoo's changing the rules on us
       ... From: acroorca2002 To: Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 7:25 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Yahoo s
       Aug 28, 2003 @ 03:41 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
11443. Fw: non-ASCII lists
       ... From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: John Seeliger Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 3:30 AM Subject: Re: non-ASCII
       Aug 28, 2003 @ 14:21 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
11444. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New Canadian Territory
       ... The Washington Post wants you to provide personal info to get to the article. Here s a link to the Canadian Government s press release:
       Aug 28, 2003 @ 14:36 - Dave Patton [DCP] ("Dave Patton [DCP]" <dpatton@...>)
11445. Re: Fw: non-ASCII lists
       sounds like we are full steam ahead on this then nice going john & what a pleasure to have to choose between calling ourselves culture or recreation indeed the
       Aug 28, 2003 @ 15:49 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11446. Re: New Canadian Territory
       ah so then maybe it is just a state of the art indian reservation but then why would the state of the art eskimo reservation of nunavut territory have been so
       Aug 28, 2003 @ 16:02 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11447. hi Arif, your email doesnt work...
       Hi Arif, your hoiberg-adress doesnt work so i send my mail this way. do you have a new email-adress? regards, chris
       Aug 28, 2003 @ 19:01 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
11448. Re: de2 roundup domestic section updated
       i bet wolfgang gartner as in message 1184 can fill us in a little here too since many of these must be quite historic
       Aug 28, 2003 @ 19:27 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11449. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Fw: non-ASCII lists
       OK, I did it. I created gmane.culture.geo.boundarypoint (or at least submitted a request to create it). I sent this message in the comments:
       Aug 28, 2003 @ 19:56 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
11450. Re: Transfrontier Game Park
       the fences mentioned below in message 8307 continue to come down as of the present & indeed they may all have been removed by now
       Aug 28, 2003 @ 20:07 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11451. A Mexican state boundary commission
       At least one Mexican state, the State of México, has a boundary commission. Here is a 1998 decree establishing the Comisión de Limites del Estado de México:
       Aug 28, 2003 @ 20:18 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11452. Re: New Canadian Territory
       This is the link to the story on the CBC archives: http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/08/24/dene030824 CBC Radio newscasts never mentioned the creation of a new
       Aug 29, 2003 @ 00:32 - hilversum96 ("hilversum96" <hilversum96@...>)
11453. Re: New Canadian Territory
       ... in ... affairs ... A buddy of mine was in Iqaluit in 1999, and there was a festive Canada Day celebration. Remember, they separated from the NWT, not
       Aug 29, 2003 @ 07:56 - adamnvillani ("adamnvillani" <avillani@...>)
11454. israel-palestininian border
       http://www.pengon.org/wall/newmaps.html regards, chris
       Aug 29, 2003 @ 08:32 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
11455. dichael monner has something for you...
       Projo.com | Providence | Email a Friend dichael monner [ maxivan82@hotmail.com ] has sent you a news article. Story:
       Aug 29, 2003 @ 14:37 - dichael monner (dichael monner <maxivan82@...>)
11456. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Fw: non-ASCII lists
       ... From: John Seeliger To: Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re:
       Aug 30, 2003 @ 08:25 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
11457. Re: Fw: non-ASCII lists
       Sorry - I was out of pocket on a project for a client for the last few days, and couldn t review new msg until now. The archive on the CD is in html - each
       Aug 30, 2003 @ 12:45 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
11458. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Fw: non-ASCII lists
       ... From: L. A. Nadybal To: Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 7:45 AM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Fw:
       Aug 30, 2003 @ 15:15 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
11459. ISO 3166-2
       Isn t ISO 3166-2 what we are looking for to name our second division borders and tripoints?http://www.niso.org/standards/resources/3166.html#3166-2 Is it only
       Aug 30, 2003 @ 17:34 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11460. Serbia ISO code: CS
       I cannot find this reported on BP: From http://news.suc.org/bydate/2003/July_25/5.html : The International Standardization Organization (ISO), alongside the
       Aug 30, 2003 @ 17:58 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11461. Fwd: New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
       ... nice hoisting my fellow mikesake a file both thin enough to even fit in our files section any more & yet substantial enough to be the most definitive
       Aug 30, 2003 @ 17:46 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@hotmail.com>)
11462. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ISO 3166-2
       Jesper, ... You ll be lucky to find it on the Internet. Whilst ISO 3166-1 is freely available, you have to pay for ISO 3166-2 (regional codes) and ISO 3166-3
       Aug 30, 2003 @ 18:23 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
11463. Blue Water Bridge backups story link
       From the Saturday, August 30, Port Huron (MI) Times-Herald: http://www.thetimesherald.com/news/stories/20030830/localnews/162414.h tml
       Aug 30, 2003 @ 22:05 - hilversum96 ("hilversum96" <hilversum96@...>)
11464. Our Pic file format disappeared, too
       Anyoine notice that as part of the Yahoogroups Improvement Act of 2003 , the enlargements of the photos disappeared? That s no good for us, because the
       Aug 30, 2003 @ 12:49 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
11465. Re: A second New Canadian Territory
       A second homeland is coming to Canada - this time in the Northeast - Nunatsiavut, our beautiful land (in Inukitut language) - 29000 square miles - needs
       Aug 30, 2003 @ 20:10 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
11466. ARBRUY
       From CIA World Factbook 2003 (released Aug 2003) (http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ar.html) : uncontested dispute between Brazil and Uruguay
       Aug 30, 2003 @ 19:49 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11467. ADFR
       From latest CIA World Fact Book (http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/an.html): border is undemarcated in sections but is not in dispute (a few
       Aug 30, 2003 @ 19:37 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11468. Benin border disputes
       CIA World Factbook 2003 http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/bn.html#Issues two villages are in dispute along the border with Burkina Faso; much
       Aug 30, 2003 @ 20:03 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11469. Re: Benin border disputes
       ... http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/bn.html#Issue s ... much of Benin-Niger boundary, including tripoint with Nigeria, remains undemarcated
       Aug 31, 2003 @ 12:20 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11470. Fw: non-ASCII lists
       ... From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: John Seeliger Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 11:22 AM Subject: Re: non-ASCII
       Aug 31, 2003 @ 13:47 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
11471. virtual counries
       Just curious: the congress http://muu.fi/amorph03/frames/index1.html the league http://lom.4t.com/ marcel
       Aug 31, 2003 @ 14:11 - marcelmiquelcat ("marcelmiquelcat" <marcelmiquel@...>)
11472. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ADFR
       Here is an April 2002 article in French: www.originepyrenees.com/mag/trib/lettre7.htm . The next-to-last paragraph refers to: ...en modifiant notamment par
       Aug 31, 2003 @ 14:13 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11473. CADK
       Hans Island / Hans Ø is disputed between CADK- http://www.naval.ca/article/Heubert/The_Return_of_the_Vikings.html Here is a nice picture
       Aug 31, 2003 @ 14:31 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11474. Re: ADFR
       The french farmers and the Porta commune were angry because the new border divide their territory. It was discussed here ( see messages
       Aug 31, 2003 @ 14:07 - marcelmiquelcat ("marcelmiquelcat" <marcelmiquel@...>)
11475. Re: ARBRUY
       ... Braziliera Island in the Quarai/Cuareim leaves the tripoint with Argentina in question if uruguay is right then this is the tripoint
       Aug 31, 2003 @ 12:36 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11476. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Benin border disputes
       Do we know which villages? J ... From: acroorca2002 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 2:20 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Benin
       Aug 31, 2003 @ 12:38 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11477. INPK ceremony
       http://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/south/08/22/india.border/index.html I saw part of this famous border ceremony on tv and found it quite entertaining.
       Aug 31, 2003 @ 20:28 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11478. test retry of recent sky shot
       responding to jesper in one of many recent sky shots that never landed ... _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: Get 6
       Aug 31, 2003 @ 13:20 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11479. RE: [BoundaryPoint] CADK
       Great!! First CAUS, then CAFR and now CADK. What will be the next..? Jan Hans -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus
       Aug 31, 2003 @ 14:57 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
11480. Re: Benin border disputes
       hmm no tripoints involved there so why would we even care really ... http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/bn.html#Issue ... Faso; ...
       Aug 31, 2003 @ 22:39 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11481. RE: [BoundaryPoint] CADK
       And if you would be aware about this http://www.dpc.dk/Res&Log/ProjectPlanner/Platforms/Ships/Navy.html a bit earlier you could claim CADK. As far as I
       Sep 01, 2003 @ 08:56 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
11482. RE: [BoundaryPoint] CADK
       From INTERNAL LINKS FOR PART B (1945-2000) at http://www.homestead.com/argumentsandfacts/files/Part_B.htm : «... This may be another case of how people on
       Sep 01, 2003 @ 09:47 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
11483. RE: [BoundaryPoint] CADK
       Jesper, Have you seen a map of Hans Ø? Can it be this one? http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?latlongtype=decimal&latitude=80.5&longi tude=-66.38 Jan Hans
       Sep 01, 2003 @ 10:25 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@takas.lt>)
11484. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CADK
       See attachments. Jesper ... From: Jan S. Krogh To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 12:25 PM Subject: RE: [BoundaryPoint] CADK
       Sep 01, 2003 @ 11:08 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
11485. RE: [BoundaryPoint] CADK
       Jesper, Yes it was - found a map here: http://www.norden.org/web/1-1-fakta/gr_kort.htm Jan Hans -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG
       Sep 01, 2003 @ 11:04 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
11486. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CADK
       The island does however look much closer to DK than CA. Jesper ... From: Jan S. Krogh To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 1:04
       Sep 01, 2003 @ 12:07 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11487. Re: CADK
       top notch international border research you guys really & now that we have so deliberately created a separate & very special place for such overflows of
       Sep 01, 2003 @ 13:07 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11488. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CADK
       If you will go to the map in this link, then zoom out one level, you will see it as a small dark speck out in the middle of the channel. Lowell G. McManus
       Sep 01, 2003 @ 13:46 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11489. ctmari dispute in todays sun
       http://www.thewesterlysun.com/articles/2003/09/01/news/news2.txt _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: Get 6 months for
       Sep 01, 2003 @ 14:14 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
11490. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CADK
       Oh, yes, I am so sorry - this had of course nothing to do with the USA. Good bye! Jan -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus
       Sep 01, 2003 @ 17:47 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
11491. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CADK
       Mike Do you really seriously want us to back our bags and start a new group? jesper ... From: Jan S. Krogh To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday,
       Sep 01, 2003 @ 18:54 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11492. yahoo2mbox
       I am unable to get this to work on this PC (and I really wanted to get as many of the old messages as possible imported before they create the group) because I
       Sep 01, 2003 @ 19:23 - jseelige ("jseelige" <jseelige@...>)
11493. Re: CADK
       jesper please that isnt my wish nor my point & you know jan takes such pride in misunderstanding me & such pains to miss the point anyway so really what did
       Sep 01, 2003 @ 20:18 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11494. djeret & eretsd postponement news
       http://tinyurl.com/lwdh fresh stalemate update today from the united nations ... anyway ... witness ... have
       Sep 01, 2003 @ 23:06 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11495. Coordinates of all national tripoints (WVS and WDB)
       After a considerable pause, I ve finished extracting tripoint data from the WVS and WDB datasets. As before, no claims are made about accuracy - I just report
       Sep 02, 2003 @ 00:26 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
11496. Ahem
       ... Look, I am new here and although I am interested in boundaries, that isn t the main thing I m interested in. But I thought this would be a cool place to
       Sep 02, 2003 @ 01:25 - Edward J. Cunningham ("Edward J. Cunningham" <edward.cunningham4@...>)
11497. Re: Coordinates of all national tripoints (WVS and WDB)
       wow welcome back grant & that was definitely worth waiting for but please come much more often your careful & thorough treatment is just what we need i see you
       Sep 02, 2003 @ 05:34 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11498. Re: Ahem
       welcome edward thats me you are quoting & mischaracterizing as complaining explaining yes as i will continue to do but i am glad you have at least noticed our
       Sep 02, 2003 @ 06:49 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11499. Re: Coordinates of all national tripoints (WVS and WDB)
       ... Just because that s the way it s treated in WVS. Grant
       Sep 02, 2003 @ 12:57 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
11500. Re: Coordinates of all national tripoints (WVS and WDB)
       ... well i imagine we are all pulling for this global maxipoint hopeful too & since you are our bwnazmzw bwana in residence besides being the president
       Sep 02, 2003 @ 15:08 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11501. National Geographic Maps: The Complete Collection
       Sorry if this gets posted twice. I can t get through to my smtp server. Got one of these ($19.99 - $10 Instant Savings - $10 Mail-in Rebate = FREE) yesterday.
       Sep 02, 2003 @ 16:21 - jseelige ("jseelige" <jseelige@...>)
11502. Fwd: gmane.culture.geo.boundarypoint
       ... ok john well this is already a great service to our group & an exemplary try no matter what else develops even if it was only to identify us as a culture
       Sep 02, 2003 @ 17:44 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
11503. Re: Tripoint Norway-Sweden-Finland
       jesper from message 155 in response to a marriage proposal in message 148
       Sep 02, 2003 @ 22:06 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11504. Re: Ahem an oyster & a pearl
       ... international ... this was exactly correct when you quoted it so it gives us a conveniently dated text for comparison because you have just jogged my
       Sep 03, 2003 @ 00:30 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11505. National Geographic Maps
       Got one of these ($19.99 - $10 Instant Savings - $10 Mail-in Rebate = FREE) yesterday. Unfortunately, I forgot to post this yesterday and they are sold out on
       Sep 02, 2003 @ 16:19 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
11506. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CADK
       I will make this a priority when I get home (Sept 10)! Still no tripoint... keep those fingers crossed! Doug ... ... Doug Murray Productions -
       Sep 03, 2003 @ 03:02 - In Belize (Doug Murray (In Belize) <doug@...>)
11507. Re: [BoundaryPoint] National Geographic Maps
       Sorry about the double post. This one was stuck in my outgoing mail folder.
       Sep 03, 2003 @ 13:02 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
11508. AZNVCA
       a trip to las vegas isn t complete without a try at a tripoint. standing in california, looking into nevada, and with arizona in the background (the green
       Sep 03, 2003 @ 14:11 - Victor Cantore (Victor Cantore <drpotatoes@yahoo.com>)
11509. New poll for BoundaryPoint
       Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the BoundaryPoint group: Should a sister group for border and boundaries be created? o Yes, we need
       Sep 03, 2003 @ 18:47 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com (BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com )
11510. BoundaryPoint and borders
       Dear fellow multipointers and border freaks BoundaryPoint has changed my life. It sounds like a cliche, but the truth is that without this group I would never
       Sep 03, 2003 @ 19:12 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11511. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BoundaryPoint and borders
       I agree with Jesper. When I found this group, I was searching Yahoo Groups for a group that discusses boundaries. If there was none, I was prepared to
       Sep 03, 2003 @ 20:32 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11512. RE: [BoundaryPoint] BoundaryPoint and borders
       Hear, hear!! -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.167 / Virus Database: 259.11.7 -
       Sep 03, 2003 @ 20:39 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
11513. RE: [BoundaryPoint] BoundaryPoint and borders
       I also agree; boundaries make the points. Sometimes there are Boundary Points that are not multi-jurisdictional multi-points, but simply points along a
       Sep 03, 2003 @ 20:41 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
11514. Re: BoundaryPoint and borders
       jesper thanxxx for being here & for all of these reflections & especially for the great part of them that i do understand & agree with but what i dont
       Sep 03, 2003 @ 21:55 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11515. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: BoundaryPoint and borders
       I guess a reason that might not be a solution is that, as someone else mentioned here, IBRG is more highly specialized than the types of border discussions
       Sep 03, 2003 @ 22:27 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
11516. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: BoundaryPoint and borders
       I think you have misunderstood, Mike. IBRG is not a sister group to BP. IBRG is (going to be) a group for border expeditions only. This was very clearly stated
       Sep 03, 2003 @ 22:11 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
11517. Re: BoundaryPoint and borders
       ... Yahoo Groups for a group that discusses boundaries. If there was none, I was prepared to establish one. Instead, I found this group and joined it. I m
       Sep 03, 2003 @ 23:21 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11518. Re: BoundaryPoint and borders
       ... oh ok hahahaha jan i really thought you said it was hahaha thats fine tho i still wish you the very best with it whatever you now say it is for & i promise
       Sep 04, 2003 @ 00:06 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11519. Re: AZNVCA
       To heck with Las Vegas. It s only the town you drive through during a one-day tour of these trifinia: AZNVUT
       Sep 04, 2003 @ 00:39 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
11520. RE: [BoundaryPoint] AZNVCA
       ... From: Victor Cantore [mailto:drpotatoes@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 10:12 AM To: boundarypoint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BoundaryPoint]
       Sep 04, 2003 @ 01:12 - jack parsell ("jack parsell" <jparsell@...>)
11521. FW: [BoundaryPoint] AZNVCA
       Victor,if my assumption is correct, your attachment photo was taken on US95. The CA-NV border runs at a 45 deg. angle and the tri-point is about 18 miles
       Sep 04, 2003 @ 02:07 - jack parsell ("jack parsell" <jparsell@northnet.org>)
11522. RE: [BoundaryPoint] AZNVCA
       ... From: Victor Cantore [mailto:drpotatoes@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 10:12 AM To: boundarypoint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BoundaryPoint]
       Sep 04, 2003 @ 02:09 - jack parsell ("jack parsell" <jparsell@northnet.org>)
11523. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: BoundaryPoint and borders
       Mike, With all due respect to you and to multipointing (which I also enjoy learning about and doing), I seem to remember that you became highly interested and
       Sep 04, 2003 @ 02:31 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11524. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: BoundaryPoint and borders
       ... Where are these groups? ... More than OK, it is in fact part of the purpose stated on the BP home page, which does not limit BP exclusively to discussion
       Sep 04, 2003 @ 03:40 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
11525. Re: BoundaryPoint and borders
       ... enjoy learning ... interested and ... of course of course even if these hadnt been direct consequences of our multipointing pursuits & even if they hadnt
       Sep 04, 2003 @ 04:43 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11526. Re: BoundaryPoint and borders
       kevin i trust i have answered your earlier post in responding to similar questions & points made by others except for the question you raised of what to make
       Sep 04, 2003 @ 05:10 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11527. Re: AZNVCA
       brian always nice to see an old friend again but when you first offered this azcanv report in message 7695 i did offer substantive improvements to it in
       Sep 04, 2003 @ 08:53 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11528. Re: BoundaryPoint and borders
       ... ok jan here is how i think our comical misunderstanding arose when you first announced & i first congratulated you upon the creation of your new group in
       Sep 04, 2003 @ 10:10 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11529. Re: BoundaryPoint and borders
       It appears that quite a few BoundaryPointers aren t aware that there is already an email forum devoted to discussion about international boundaries. The
       Sep 04, 2003 @ 10:36 - Martin Pratt ("Martin Pratt" <m.a.pratt@...>)
11530. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: BoundaryPoint and borders
       Martin I have been a member of the int-boundaries list before BoundaryPoint was founded. And I am sure that the academic members would not apreciate the type
       Sep 04, 2003 @ 10:49 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11531. BoundaryPoint from the beginning...
       In view of the ongoing discussion regarding multipointing and plain vanilla boundaries, I thought I should weigh in about BP s founding. I m speaking not as
       Sep 04, 2003 @ 11:13 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
11532. Re: BoundaryPoint and borders
       I love this group as actually works. The boundary delimitation between boundary and point is not so easy: think just about this question: where the enclaves
       Sep 04, 2003 @ 11:49 - marcelmiquelcat ("marcelmiquelcat" <marcelmiquel@...>)
11533. Multi, Schmulty...
       To the 15 of 18 of us who have voted in the poll, and judging by the many posts on this subject, it seems that the only one of us who has a problem with the
       Sep 04, 2003 @ 12:59 - spookymike@aol.com (spookymike@...)
11534. Re: BoundaryPoint from the beginning...
       ... plain ... has ... topics at ... information ... was ... multipointing ... announced ... met to ... Central ... aha the legendary blue dot of laorospo
       Sep 04, 2003 @ 16:12 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11535. Re: BoundaryPoint and borders
       scientifical multipointing, of course... and why not to enjoy all kind of border poetry?
       Sep 04, 2003 @ 16:49 - quadernet ("quadernet" <quadernet@...>)
11536. Re: BoundaryPoint and borders
       martin that is an extremely generous idea & offer & it should help us enormously with our multipointing as well as our more arrant bounding & i appreciate the
       Sep 04, 2003 @ 16:53 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11537. Re: BoundaryPoint and borders
       bravissimos & howls of glee
       Sep 04, 2003 @ 17:03 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11538. Re: BoundaryPoint and borders
       ... not so ... be ... the clavers have been embedded here almost from day 1 & obviously we wouldnt have it any other way i guess that is de facto tho rather
       Sep 04, 2003 @ 17:14 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11539. Re: Multi, Schmulty...
       ... the many ... a problem with ... owner of this ... yes it seems that way to you my doppelganger tho not at all to me & the chiaroscuro becomes us but there
       Sep 04, 2003 @ 18:12 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11540. GYVE(Caribbbean Sea)
       I will just come with a border POINT question, which may involve some border issues. Does anybody know how this point looks like (and the exact course of the
       Sep 04, 2003 @ 18:42 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11541. Re: GYVE(Caribbbean Sea)
       yes i once blew right thru there sailing from port of spain to berbice guyana the atlantic there is an incredibly pale green lake with hardly a ripple against
       Sep 04, 2003 @ 19:40 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11542. Re: AZNVCA
       Thanks for the fine tuning. BJB
       Sep 04, 2003 @ 21:38 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
11543. Re: GYVE(Caribbbean Sea)
       from http://www.law.fsu.edu/library/collection/LimitsinSeas/IBS021.pdf at the oceans edge currents & waves have built a long low ridge of alluvial materials
       Sep 05, 2003 @ 00:12 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11544. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: BoundaryPoint and borders
       It s all about love! Hahahaha! Actually, the best thing about BoundaryPoint? Meeting many of you virtually and several of you personally. And no, still no
       Sep 05, 2003 @ 00:28 - In Belize (Doug Murray (In Belize) <doug@...>)
11545. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CADK
       Uuuh... Still in Belize! Will check with my contacts when I return... Doug ... ... Doug Murray Productions - Border Films Currently on location in
       Sep 05, 2003 @ 00:43 - In Belize (Doug Murray (In Belize) <doug@...>)
11546. Re: GYVE(Caribbbean Sea)
       according to this venezuelan border brief in spanish dated 2002 http://www.monographias.com/trabajos12/liven/liven.shtml the parties are seeking a solution &
       Sep 05, 2003 @ 01:16 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11547. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: GYVE(Caribbbean Sea)
       Hey Doug Since you are now in the area, could you not pop down to photograph the point where GYVE hits the Caribbean Sea? Jesper ... From: acroorca2002 To:
       Sep 05, 2003 @ 04:27 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11548. Re: GYVE(Caribbbean Sea)
       hahaha thats jive on the caribbean gyve is atlantic no gibe mon this doesnt jibe ... photograph the point where GYVE hits the Caribbean Sea? ... 2002 ...
       Sep 05, 2003 @ 12:40 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11549. Re: FW: [BoundaryPoint] AZNVCA
       Jack, the photo was taken on the Needles highway, further west of the 95. I hadn t planned on visiting the tp when i had originally planned the trip to vegas
       Sep 05, 2003 @ 14:32 - Victor Cantore (Victor Cantore <drpotatoes@...>)
11550. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: GYVE(Caribbbean Sea)
       I wish! I was, however, close to the BZMX boundary that slices through the northern part of Ambergris Caye yesterday. Close, but no Cuban cigar! Off to Caye
       Sep 05, 2003 @ 14:50 - In Belize (Doug Murray (In Belize) <doug@...>)
11551. Pictures (Not borders)
       Totally off topic (I hang my head in shame), but, here are some pictures from the Belize Adventure... http://homepage.mac.com/dougmurray/PhotoAlbum31.html
       Sep 05, 2003 @ 15:16 - in Belize (Doug Murray (in Belize) <doug@...>)
11552. Re: Pictures (Not borders)
       ... no mon thats jive on the caribbean as requested (I hang my head in shame), but, here are some
       Sep 05, 2003 @ 16:18 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11553. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: BoundaryPoint and borders
       I guess I simply don t agree with your point that the purpose of BP is exclusively multi-points on boundaries. The home page clearly does not make this
       Sep 05, 2003 @ 22:30 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
11554. Re: fewer CAUS border inspectors this holiday weekend
       http://www.thetimesherald.com/news/stories/20030905/localnews/196601.h tml This is the link to a follow-up story in the 9-5 Times Herald. The inspectors who
       Sep 06, 2003 @ 00:03 - hilversum96 ("hilversum96" <hilversum96@...>)
11555. CAUS border security
       http://www.thetimesherald.com/news/stories/20030905/localnews/197343.h tml I sensed right away that the events of 9-11-01 would give the alarmists the excuse
       Sep 06, 2003 @ 00:08 - hilversum96 ("hilversum96" <hilversum96@...>)
11556. Re: BoundaryPoint and borders
       thanx kevin for especially befriending & querying me on these several interesting points in responding to them & since they are part of a much larger
       Sep 06, 2003 @ 04:26 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11557. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: BoundaryPoint and borders
       Michael Donner just wrote: nobody said there is anything wrong with it nor anything wrong with being off point generally But he also wrote: hmm no tripoints
       Sep 06, 2003 @ 06:37 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11558. Re: Coordinates of all national tripoints (WVS and WDB)
       & about bwnazmzw again i have just reviewed all the official verbiage on it i could find mainly ibs numbers 30 for zmzw & 123 nazm & 148 bwzw & the legalities
       Sep 06, 2003 @ 07:30 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11559. yes yes yes
       ... devoted ... going on in BoundaryPoint, I said No, it s called EVOLUTION . ... yes yes yes all the above are true or were true & offered in earnest
       Sep 06, 2003 @ 07:52 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11560. Re: Ahem an oyster & a pearl
       & just to conclude the constitutional convention called here below in message 11504 as directly & accurately as possible i propose in the apparent absence of
       Sep 06, 2003 @ 14:54 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11561. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: BoundaryPoint and borders
       As is. Bill ... From: Jesper Nielsen [mailto:jesniel@image.dk] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 11:37 PM To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re:
       Sep 06, 2003 @ 18:45 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
11562. experimental writing
       dear friends experimental writing as i see it takes some time to getting used to and needs time to enjoy fully and some may never make it however those who do
       Sep 06, 2003 @ 17:14 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
11563. Re: Multi, Schmulty...
       I subscribed to the Usenet group rec.collecting.stamps. It broke up into rec.collecting.stamps.discuss, rec.collecting.stamps.postal-history and
       Sep 07, 2003 @ 03:15 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
11564. experimental everything
       mats thanx pal i read it & wept laughing of course & may have to change my name to m11562 just to distinguish us now long live experimental everything also
       Sep 07, 2003 @ 03:51 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11565. The very tip of Caprivi's Finger
       There is a good description of the confluence of the Zambezi and Chobe Rivers at: www.namibiatourism.com/namibia_regions/article.asp?IDReg=2&IDArt=17 This
       Sep 07, 2003 @ 05:22 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11566. Israel
       A couple of new tps in northern Israel with UNDOF: http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/is.html#Intro Jesper
       Sep 07, 2003 @ 12:35 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11567. IQJOSA
       I know this has been posted before http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/EART/jordan/100k/9-37-139.jpg but what does the Russian mean, and further what is the blue line
       Sep 07, 2003 @ 12:42 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11568. Re: [BoundaryPoint] IQJOSA
       The blue line is an oil pipeline and the russian is only the kyrillic transcription for the name of the mountain where the tp is located on. It starts with
       Sep 07, 2003 @ 14:11 - Alqaszar ("Alqaszar" <alqaszar@...>)
11569. Re: [BoundaryPoint] IQJOSA
       I can recognize that the Russian at the tripoint refers to the Jabal Unayzah, the peak that delimited it at the time. The Iraquis and Jordanians did some
       Sep 07, 2003 @ 14:22 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11570. Re: [BoundaryPoint] IQJOSA
       Are you referring to the two versions of the border as seen here? http://www.1uptravel.com/worldmaps/iraq18.html Jesper ... From: Lowell G. McManus To:
       Sep 07, 2003 @ 15:59 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11571. Re: IQJOSA
       this was given & analyzed in message 9010 but i think your earlier map this morning is quite an improvement we have met jebel unayzah before too but never
       Sep 07, 2003 @ 16:12 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11572. Re: Israel
       this map shows how the pre1974 de jure illbsy & iljosy tripoints morphed in 1974 into something like de facto trilines at the ends of the undof zone along the
       Sep 07, 2003 @ 16:41 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11573. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Israel
       Bad link, bad! http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/go.asp?MFAH0dso0
       Sep 07, 2003 @ 16:43 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11574. Re: Israel
       ... yes i too am puzzled that it only works for some of the people some of the time but i think that is the worst that can be said of it
       Sep 07, 2003 @ 18:02 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11575. Re: The very tip of Caprivi's Finger
       bravo best map we have seen so far except perhaps for brownlies diagrams i think but now i must run back to the library to study his 5 theses again in light of
       Sep 07, 2003 @ 18:02 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11576. Re: IQJOSA
       The Russian at the blue line means kind of object is questionable ... Yes, I don t know what they mean as well... Peter S. ... south of the tp?
       Sep 07, 2003 @ 18:05 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
11577. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: IQJOSA
       But did we ever clear up what was going on with IQSA? Jesper ... From: acroorca2002 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 6:12 PM
       Sep 07, 2003 @ 18:36 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11578. Re: [IBRG] Proposal 2006: GCBA
       Little sw and nw of coordinate 50/8. What experimental gibberish? And thanks for explaining the red line. I wonder why these changes were important?! They just
       Sep 07, 2003 @ 18:43 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11579. Re: IQJOSA
       iqsa as in ibs number 111 do you mean about the neutral zone or something or do you mean iqjo as in ibs number 98 do you mean why & when did they make the de
       Sep 07, 2003 @ 19:44 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11580. Re: IQJOSA
       probably just experimental probably someone meant to show or do something at one point & then spaced it out leaving someone else to explain it who couldnt this
       Sep 07, 2003 @ 20:06 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11581. Re: [BoundaryPoint] IQJOSA
       Yes, that s it exactly. I read somewhere that the reason for the change was that Iraq wanted to build an air base in the region, and the best site was on the
       Sep 07, 2003 @ 21:11 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11582. Re: [BoundaryPoint] IQJOSA
       Somebody else than me must have noticed that Iraq has been quite a lot in the news lately. Well, less now a days. But the maps they have showed of that country
       Sep 07, 2003 @ 21:21 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11583. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: IQJOSA
       There appears to be two parallel IQSAs, running SE from IQJOSA (area). Where it says Jeddah Fir. Jesper ... From: acroorca2002 To:
       Sep 07, 2003 @ 21:24 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11584. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: IQJOSA
       Jesper: Could you tell me how I can get my name removed from the BoundaryPoint list? I d appreciate it. Becky
       Sep 07, 2003 @ 21:32 - REBECCA B BURTON ("REBECCA B BURTON" <becky485@...>)
11585. Re: IQJOSA
       well there must have been some special agreement for the air base to be in the wrong country since there was no known overt dispute there so it does seem
       Sep 07, 2003 @ 21:36 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11586. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: IQJOSA
       At http://tinyurl.com/mkcz you will find a very long 1999 paper on border-monitoring technologies prepared by the Sandia National Laboratories for the
       Sep 07, 2003 @ 22:39 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11587. Re: IQJOSA
       ahh nice i hadnt noticed that not only 2 iqsas but a dogleg of iqjo also rather than the simple wye shaped iqjosa trijunction we saw on your first map this
       Sep 07, 2003 @ 22:57 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11588. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: IQJOSA
       I prepared a simple web page at www.mexlist.com/bp/iqjo.htm to illustrate how the current IQJO boundary might have evolved. The map on the left is from the
       Sep 08, 2003 @ 04:11 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11589. Re: IQJOSA
       nicely done & by careful measurement on the tactical pilotage chart & areal computations i have confirmed the acreages of your areas a & b are easily within 1
       Sep 08, 2003 @ 08:26 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11590. Re: IQJOSA
       nicely done & by careful measurement on the tactical pilotage chart & areal computations i have confirmed the acreages of your areas a & b are easily within 1
       Sep 08, 2003 @ 08:24 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11591. Re: IQJOSA
       apologies for the unintended double post in the wee hours & in morning light i am liking your theory better & better but have still found nothing to support it
       Sep 08, 2003 @ 15:56 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11592. zw oks bwnazmzw bridge at kazungula
       http://www.gov.bw/cgi-bin/news.cgi?d=20030908&i=Zim_okays_bridge_project also hot this morning brownlie has been reordered & is on its way
       Sep 08, 2003 @ 18:23 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11593. more bzgtmx details
       http://www.elpanorama.net/en/pivot/archive_2002-m09.html describes the bzgt situation as of last year just before things suddenly ground to a stall includes an
       Sep 08, 2003 @ 23:10 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11594. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: [IBRG] Proposal 2006: GCBA
       Aserbaidschan enclave: http://www.sozialwiss.uni-hamburg.de/publish/Ipw/Akuf/kriege/174_aserbaidschan.htm http://www.iatp.irex.am/grants/artsakh/artswa.htm
       Sep 09, 2003 @ 10:32 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@...>)
11595. BoundaryPoint added to Gmane
       We have received a request for adding the BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com mailing list to the Gmane mail-to-news gateway/archive. A subscription request message
       Sep 09, 2003 @ 19:45 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
11596. Re: BoundaryPoint added to Gmane
       magnificent culture bringing as usual bill & by all others involved now too & so exactly how & when should we begin experimentally experiencing this new
       Sep 09, 2003 @ 17:19 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11597. Re: IQJOSA
       ok jesper & lowell a day later & i havent found another stitch on this topic so lets go back & assume the tactical politage chart is indeed as unreliable as it
       Sep 09, 2003 @ 20:45 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11598. time capsules
       I read the following on http://pkazil.free.fr/border_dg_gron.html Looking for the border markers I stumbled upon the Holland Border Walk by Scorselo &
       Sep 09, 2003 @ 21:56 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
11599. af2
       preliminary punctoscopy of the major internal tripoints of afghanistan aka af2 from latest cia map but not necessarily completely correct or correctly complete
       Sep 10, 2003 @ 14:48 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
11600. news://news.gmane.org/gmane.culture.discuss.boundary-point
       Great. So, it is working. news://news.gmane.org/gmane.culture.discuss.boundary-point I can see news://news.gmane.org/BAY7-F111uGlRqlV5RB00027af9@hotmail.com,
       Sep 10, 2003 @ 15:38 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <gcgb-BoundaryPoint@...>)
11601. Re: af2 al2 & dont forget ad2 ae2 & ag2
       ok the answers at last & it wasnt that hard really tho i did have to draw a sketch the 12 qarqe of albania form 11 triqarqial or triregional points a few of
       Sep 10, 2003 @ 19:17 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11602. is there an andorran quadripoint or not
       http://www.arinsal.com/parishes/map_parishes.htm http://www.mindspring.com/~gwil.uad.html the 7 parishes of andorra produce 4 or 5 ad2 multipoints aneejl
       Sep 11, 2003 @ 01:53 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11603. Re: is there an andorran quadripoint or not
       oops url corrected below
       Sep 11, 2003 @ 03:13 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11604. aiming at djeret kofi begs thaw & 2 mil at unny today
       http://www.irinnews.org/report.asp?ReportID=36517&SelectRegion=Horn_of_Africa&SelectCountry=ERITREA-ETHIOPIA & then be sure to click at right on yesterdays
       Sep 11, 2003 @ 15:24 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
11605. hooray & thanx john bill &al nice going
       it gives me great pleasure to say the new gmane bp culture facility has already demonstrated its enhanced usefulness above & beyond the yahoo bp facility for
       Sep 11, 2003 @ 16:24 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11606. Re: [BoundaryPoint] hooray & thanx john bill &al nice going
       Would somebody please explain this new gmane thing? What the heck is it? What does it do? Where is it found? What is it supposed to do for us? Clueless,
       Sep 11, 2003 @ 18:54 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11607. Maritime borders
       Hi I am looking for an FAQ/explanations for the below maritime boundary terms: Continental Shelf Delimitation Maritime Boundary EEZ Territorial Sea Thank you!
       Sep 11, 2003 @ 19:39 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11608. PLSK
       See http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/pl.html#Issues for PLSK Where could this been? Near the SK town of Ruska Vola? Jesper -- Borderbase -
       Sep 11, 2003 @ 20:24 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
11609. ianesd by gmane test
       ok lets see if the attached picture postcard view of ianesd shows up & stays put on the bp gmane message board at
       Sep 11, 2003 @ 20:40 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@hotmail.com>)
11610. ESPT dispute
       http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/po.html#Issues http://www.olivenca-net.com/forum/indicei.htm Jesper
       Sep 11, 2003 @ 20:43 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11611. Re: PLSK
       thats odd what did your plsk jpg attachment consist of gmane says the article doesnt exist yet displays my ianesd jpg attachment just fine & neither message
       Sep 11, 2003 @ 22:41 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11612. Re: ESPT dispute
       the link in message 6805 gives another take on this & additional research sources in the footnotes ...
       Sep 11, 2003 @ 23:12 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11613. Re: Maritime borders
       ahoy there matey as you know none of this is simple but http://www.un.org/Depts?los/convention_agreements/convention _historical_perspective.htm looks likes
       Sep 11, 2003 @ 23:51 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11614. Re: hooray & thanx john bill &al nice going
       ... i am sure i dont know the half of it yet & am still experimenting but for starters it appears to replicate our bp message board which would be
       Sep 12, 2003 @ 00:34 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11615. Re: [BoundaryPoint] hooray & thanx john bill &al nice going
       ... From: m06079 To: Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 11:24 AM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] hooray
       Sep 12, 2003 @ 04:06 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
11616. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: hooray & thanx john bill &al nice going
       ... From: m06079 To: Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 7:34 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re:
       Sep 12, 2003 @ 04:19 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
11617. BZGTMX
       Disappointing news, my boundary friends: I did not manage to get to BZGTMX 1 or 2. It seems that opportunity and timing just would not come together to allow
       Sep 12, 2003 @ 05:21 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
11618. Re: is there an andorran quadripoint or not
       Another map, not so precise to determinate a quatripoint: http://www.sigma.ad/mapes_web/mparroquies.jpg You can see on this map the terreny de la concòrdia .
       Sep 12, 2003 @ 09:52 - marcelmiquelcat ("marcelmiquelcat" <marcelmiquel@...>)
11619. Re: is there an andorran quadripoint or not
       It seems IS a quadripoint. See attached maps (from www.viamichelin.com ) ...if you can download them. The quadripoint must be in the top of Bony de les Neres.
       Sep 12, 2003 @ 13:59 - quadernet (quadernet <quadernet@yahoo.com>)
11620. Re: hooray & thanx john bill &al nice going
       john it does seem to retain & archive at least some of the ... why one ... no problem jespers plsk attachment message did just reach my mailbox & it is indeed
       Sep 12, 2003 @ 14:05 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11621. Fwd: BZGTMX
       I don t think this came through the first time... ... Doug Murray Productions - Border Films CBC POV Sports - CBC Infomatrix 1211 Cotton Drive Vancouver BC
       Sep 12, 2003 @ 14:28 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
11622. Re: hooray & thanx john bill &al nice going
       whoops & even as i spoke quadernets quadripoint attachments were being rejected by gmane too but it may be significant that these are gifs rather than jpgs &
       Sep 12, 2003 @ 14:28 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11623. Re: Fwd: BZGTMX
       hail & welcome back doug with fresh bzgtmx news from billings yet figure that & there is really no disappointment at all so far as i can see but only a
       Sep 12, 2003 @ 15:06 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11624. What's the deal with Andorra
       It seems pretty probable that a quadripoint exist in Andorra. However, in http://www.sigma.ad/sma/www/index.htm map site, the boundary between Encamp and
       Sep 12, 2003 @ 15:43 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
11625. What's the deal with Andorra
       It seems pretty probable that a quadripoint exist in Andorra. However, in http://www.sigma.ad/sma/www/index.htm map site, the boundary between Encamp and
       Sep 12, 2003 @ 15:43 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
11626. RE: [BoundaryPoint] hooray & thanx john bill &al nice going
       I had no problem with the Yahoo attachments. Haven t received any msgs any other way. ... From: John Seeliger [mailto:jseelige@aaahawk.com] Sent: Thursday,
       Sep 12, 2003 @ 16:43 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
11627. Re: hooray & thanx john bill &al nice going
       right & i just noticed some urls breaking up at gmane too in all fairness oops & because email deliveries are retarded usually by many hours in my experience
       Sep 12, 2003 @ 17:38 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11628. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: hooray & thanx john bill &al nice going
       Hmm. I have never had this delay problem with Yahoo groups, but to each his/her own experience I suppose. I probably won t be checking the new gmane ng. Will
       Sep 12, 2003 @ 17:46 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
11629. Re: hooray & thanx john bill &al nice going
       unless there is some undiscovered problem with it it seems entirely beneficial so far ... but to each ... checking the new gmane ... simultaneously? ... going
       Sep 12, 2003 @ 17:49 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11630. Re: hooray & thanx john bill &al nice going
       ... I can see perfectly my attachments by gmane... But impossible to mail a message by this gmane... Mmmm, problems with my outlook? I should read all your
       Sep 12, 2003 @ 18:07 - quadernet ("quadernet" <quadernet@...>)
11631. better ignore me then
       ... explanations ... Brrr hahahahaha good one hahaaa seriously tho better to ignore my stuff than to go out of your way for me like that as i am just enjoying
       Sep 12, 2003 @ 18:40 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11632. Re: What's the deal with Andorra
       Well, I think the boundary between Encamp and Canillo is not showed because the bounadary limits differences that I have explained in my previous mail. So,
       Sep 12, 2003 @ 21:23 - marcelmiquel@vodafone.es (<marcelmiquel@vodafone.es>)
11633. ae2 af2 ag2 al2 & an2 complete
       ok i still havent seen quadernets andorra quadripoint maps in message 11619 believe it or not not by gmane & not by email yet either & i trust the prolonged
       Sep 12, 2003 @ 21:34 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11634. Shortest border??
       Anyone know what the actual shortest border is??? I doubt there is one single answer, maybe the Vatican-Italian border as a circle? Knights of Malta/Italy
       Sep 12, 2003 @ 21:50 - kontikipaul ("kontikipaul" <contikipaul@...>)
11635. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Shortest border??
       ... Not sure if it s the shortest, but the ES-GI border is just 1.2 km. This is shorter than the VA-IT border. I think in a previous discussion, it was
       Sep 12, 2003 @ 22:00 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
11636. Re: Shortest border??
       ... This is ... even ... Morocco. It was also ... sovereign state. ... it is esmo all right but not really an island as it runs across the narrow neck of a
       Sep 12, 2003 @ 22:54 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11637. security council votes yes again today on djeret etc
       http://allafrica.com/stories/200309120662.html
       Sep 13, 2003 @ 00:19 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11638. Re: ad2 ae2 af2 ag2 & al2 complete
       just to report that i have finally received the email delivery of message 11619 by quadernet & have compared the attachments in it to those in message 11632
       Sep 13, 2003 @ 14:17 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11639. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Shortest border??
       But ESMO is still in total about 33 km long! http://home.pages.at/maxifant/Frames/spanien%20in%20afrika.htm If you can count the shortest border like that I
       Sep 13, 2003 @ 19:56 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11640. CAUS (QCVT) Historic Photos
       Just came across some nice (if small) pictures of the border in and around Stanstead, Quebec - Derby Line, Vermont. Here s the link:
       Sep 13, 2003 @ 20:04 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
11641. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Shortest border??
       ... It was also resolved that whilst SMOM has diplomatic status, it is not a sovereign state. SMOM is a international law subject, has observer state of
       Sep 13, 2003 @ 20:11 - udomet@gmx.de (udomet@...)
11642. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Shortest border??
       ... -- COMPUTERBILD 15/03: Premium-e-mail-Dienste im Test ... 1. GMX TopMail - Platz 1 und Testsieger! 2. GMX ProMail - Platz 2 und Preis-Qualitätssieger! 3.
       Sep 13, 2003 @ 20:40 - udomet@gmx.de (udomet@...)
11643. aonazm look alike hopeful
       the elusive angola namibia zambia tripoint marker & position on the cuando river near the middle of the caprivi strip is likely to resemble its counterpart
       Sep 13, 2003 @ 21:12 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
11644. Re: Shortest border??
       esmo as a whole is oranges the shortest known international land boundary in the world which is on esmo at penon de velez de la gomera is apples but come to
       Sep 13, 2003 @ 21:32 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11645. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Shortest border??
       Udo, ... Maybe, but if it s not listed on ISO 3166-1, then it has a tenuous claim to be recognised as such. I appreciate there are some fairly autonomous
       Sep 13, 2003 @ 23:49 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
11646. Re: Shortest border??
       well i would agree that if a place doesnt have an iso diglyph then it isnt a real country but i would not agree that having an iso diglyph definitively makes a
       Sep 14, 2003 @ 15:18 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11647. major internal tripoints of armenia am2
       http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/commonwealth/armenia_rel_2002.jpg looking like the cia has written off nagorno karabakh even if armenia hasnt so easier to
       Sep 14, 2003 @ 15:20 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
11648. Shaba'a Farms / illbsy
       From CIA World Factbook on Syria Golan Heights is Israeli-occupied; Lebanon claims Shaba a farms in Golan Heights So the farms are in Syria, occupied by
       Sep 14, 2003 @ 18:35 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11649. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Shortest border??
       ... ISO 3166-1 doesn t just list countries, but distinct territories as well. ... Many of the national overseas territories on the list (including most of the
       Sep 14, 2003 @ 18:34 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
11650. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Shortest border??
       ... From: Kevin Meynell To: Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint]
       Sep 14, 2003 @ 18:53 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11651. Re: Shaba'a Farms / illbsy
       ... farms in Golan Heights ... Lebanon. Does that make it a tripoint area? this is near the de facto illbsy triarea as outlined & mapped in message 11572 so i
       Sep 14, 2003 @ 21:05 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11652. Re: Shortest border??
       kevin back to my original answer to your original question & even including jespers admirable hans island pipe dream border as if it were already real & of
       Sep 14, 2003 @ 21:21 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11653. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Shortest border??
       ... I don t, but I was just pointing out (albeit not multipointing out ;-)) that if one wishes to be strictly correct about such things, territorial identities
       Sep 14, 2003 @ 23:22 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
11654. More pictures!
       They re low res and a little mixed up, but here are some snaps of BZMX and a few from the GBBE. There are also lots of new photos from the Belize trip, that
       Sep 15, 2003 @ 00:11 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
11655. Re: Shortest border??
       ... ownership of an ... ;-)) hahaha vive la difference & la compagnie & more below ... territorial ... say CA-FR ... ok good point in any case tho i believe it
       Sep 15, 2003 @ 00:22 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11656. major internal tripoints of angola ao2
       another nice pair of golf courses for us here http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/africa/angola.gif with 18 provinces & 18 triprovincial points & tho the hasc
       Sep 15, 2003 @ 01:00 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11657. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Shortest border??
       ... While I m certain that the State of the Vatican City is a country, I think there is some difference between it and the Holy See. I know that they have
       Sep 15, 2003 @ 02:48 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11658. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Shortest border??
       ... What about all of the countries that existed between the beginning of civilization and 1945? Were they all odd crabapples ? Surely we can come up with a
       Sep 15, 2003 @ 04:10 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11659. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Shaba'a Farms / illbsy
       The Shaba a Farms (a.k.a. Har Dov) are a bit west of the Hermon. If you get to Rajar then you ve gone too far. ... __________________________________ Do you
       Sep 15, 2003 @ 06:37 - Asher Samuels (Asher Samuels <asher972@...>)
11660. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Shortest border??
       Gibraltar Spain is very short with only one entry point ... From: kontikipaul [mailto:contikipaul@hotmail.com] Sent: 12 September 2003 22:50 To:
       Sep 15, 2003 @ 06:55 - Bill Burke ("Bill Burke" <billb@...>)
11661. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: What's the deal with Andorra
       Hi, i heard something of a pene-enclave-situation close to the border andorra-france. its said to be a part of france, accessible only from andorra territory.
       Sep 15, 2003 @ 08:11 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
11662. Re: Shortest border??
       ... beginning of ... well thats not what i meant by this conceit i was talking about cutting directly to the chase in the present & was comparing iso diglyph
       Sep 15, 2003 @ 09:41 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11663. Re: What's the deal with Andorra
       Chris, the peneenclave is on the other side: the town of Ós de Civís is only accessible by Andorra. Well, there is a forestal road, but it takes near two
       Sep 15, 2003 @ 13:14 - marcelmiquel@vodafone.es (<marcelmiquel@vodafone.es>)
11664. Regarding Lowell's comments
       I am going to agree with two of Lowell s comments in different e-mails. Vatican City State and Holy See are different entities. The country itself Vatican
       Sep 15, 2003 @ 14:37 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
11665. Re: Shortest border??
       nice question & responding not as a religionist but only a devout philologist i can report that the vatican hill of rome was the original seat of etruscan
       Sep 15, 2003 @ 16:04 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11666. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Shortest border??
       ... According to the UN website, there are only 191 member nations. This tallies with the ISO 3166-1 total of 195 if you include the Holy See, Taiwan, Western
       Sep 15, 2003 @ 17:19 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
11667. Re: Shortest border??
       thanx kevin that is a very interesting & telling comparison & it reminds me that since we have been counting both of the western sahara eh tripoints among our
       Sep 15, 2003 @ 19:32 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11668. bgcsmk
       http://gorna_carsija.tripod.com/november/id24.html
       Sep 15, 2003 @ 20:26 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11669. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Shortest border??
       Okay, Mike. I understand what you re saying. You re speaking of the practical, in the here-and-now. I was thinking more of a theoretical definition that
       Sep 15, 2003 @ 21:11 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11670. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Shortest border??
       Yes, the term Vatican City State is undoubtedly redundant in this case, but the official name of the political entity is Stato della Cittá del Vaticano.
       Sep 15, 2003 @ 22:47 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11671. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Regarding Lowell's comments
       ... The first sentence is very well put! This is exactly what I meant when I wrote that we know them when we see them. The second sentence is prophetic of
       Sep 15, 2003 @ 23:06 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11672. Re: [BoundaryPoint] bgcsmk
       Nice find Jesper! I think we ll need to visit it one day! Doug ... ... Doug Murray Productions - Border Films CBC POV Sports - CBC Infomatrix 1211
       Sep 15, 2003 @ 23:21 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
11673. Re: bgcsmk
       & it replaces the lost attachments to message 8093 when we first visited this point albeit by a different name at that time ... Service.
       Sep 16, 2003 @ 00:38 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11674. Re: Shaba'a Farms / illbsy
       couldnt find har dov nor rajar anywhere on the russian maps which may be neither here nor there since my cyrillic is so poor but have confirmed the second map
       Sep 16, 2003 @ 00:58 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11675. best available resolution
       on further reflection i dont want to have to maintain that either western sahara or palestine are real countries yet since lets face it they arent but are
       Sep 16, 2003 @ 01:44 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11676. Re: Shortest border??
       About Hans Island... I still have yet to find it on a map, though I am told it lies in the Nares Strait. But I did find this interesting article written by a
       Sep 16, 2003 @ 05:35 - adamnvillani ("adamnvillani" <avillani@...>)
11677. argentinian megapoint try etc
       this map of the subdivisions of argentina http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/americas/argentina_rel96.jpg shows the quadripoint of la pampa mendoza palindromic
       Sep 16, 2003 @ 13:45 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
11678. now hear voa nudge ethiopia toward djeret
       http://www.voanews.com/mediastore/majtenyi_ethiopia_eritrea_border_long_15sep03.ram after washington has just threatened to cut off her aid allowance
       Sep 16, 2003 @ 14:17 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
11679. Re: Shortest border??
       & for the ensemble http://www.pressherald.com/news/state/030915grayzoneside.shtml
       Sep 16, 2003 @ 15:00 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11680. Re: best available resolution
       & just to finally close out the census of the 193 countries & of the world class continental multipoints they combine to produce & without prejudice as to the
       Sep 16, 2003 @ 17:55 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11681. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Shortest border??
       Hans Island is located 80 49N, 66 28 W. Between position 122 and 123 on attached treaty map. There is no line defined between these two points. Jesper ...
       Sep 16, 2003 @ 18:05 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
11682. Re: Shortest border??
       How does one view the attachment? I m using Internet Explorer. If I go down to where the attachment box is and click on it, nothing happens. Adam
       Sep 16, 2003 @ 18:22 - adamnvillani ("adamnvillani" <avillani@...>)
11683. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Shortest border??
       Cannot see through IE. Should I send it to you personally? Jesper ... From: adamnvillani To: Sent:
       Sep 16, 2003 @ 18:25 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11684. Driving in Africa - borders
       Well I think we ve hammered down the shortest border question. Now as a former UN peacekeeper I ve been to both Egypt and South Africa in diplomatic
       Sep 16, 2003 @ 20:18 - kontikipaul ("kontikipaul" <contikipaul@...>)
11685. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Driving in Africa - borders
       http://www.travel-library.com/general/driving/drive_which_side.html It was Sweden, not Norway Jesper, a Dane ... From: kontikipaul
       Sep 16, 2003 @ 20:24 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11686. Re: Shortest border??
       it is viewable at the gmane news group site given on the bp home page
       Sep 16, 2003 @ 21:01 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11687. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Shortest border??
       ... From: acroorca2002 To: Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 4:01 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Shortest
       Sep 16, 2003 @ 21:27 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
11688. burkina bfcigh bfghtg bfbjtg plus at2
       here are half of burkina fasos 6 tripoints with cote divoire & ghana aka bfcigh map & description with credible photo try
       Sep 16, 2003 @ 23:40 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11689. Re: burkina bfcigh bfghtg bfbjtg plus at2
       oops dogon url corrected in text below & worth another try
       Sep 17, 2003 @ 00:20 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11690. bfghtg map + tg pene enclave
       http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/EART/ghana/200k/03-30-12.jpg
       Sep 17, 2003 @ 04:29 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11691. madha / nahwa?
       http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/EART/uae/100k/7-40-101.jpg regards, chris
       Sep 17, 2003 @ 08:55 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
11692. madha / nahwa?
       http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/EART/uae/100k/7-40-101.jpg regards, chris
       Sep 17, 2003 @ 08:55 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
11693. madha
       its a pity, that we cant see borders here. bye the way: where is nahwa? regards, chris
       Sep 17, 2003 @ 09:10 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@gmx.de>)
11694. Re: [BoundaryPoint] madha-nahwa map
       see attached map rolf
       Sep 17, 2003 @ 10:06 - Rolf Palmberg (Rolf Palmberg <rpalmber@...>)
11695. Re: [BoundaryPoint] madha-nahwa map
       thanks a lot, regards, chris ... From: Rolf Palmberg To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 12:06 PM Subject: Re:
       Sep 17, 2003 @ 10:20 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
11696. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Driving in Africa - borders
       ... Quite a few countries drove on the left in the past, including the Austro-Hungarian Empire, Portugal and parts of Canada. In the case of Portugal, this
       Sep 17, 2003 @ 10:00 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
11697. Re: bfghtg map + tg pene enclave
       ... yes good point & berkeley is your traditional hunting ground too but besides the several other tricountry points you have already bagged for us from that
       Sep 17, 2003 @ 14:57 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11698. Ancient Finnish borders
       Hi BPers, Even though I spent several years in Finland during my younger years, I had no idea how well preserved and how well demarcation, for that matter,
       Sep 17, 2003 @ 16:31 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
11699. More pics
       These two shots (sorry again about quality) are of Varashev s Stone (Variskivi), which was established and marked as the Russia-Sweden border in 1618. The
       Sep 17, 2003 @ 16:43 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
11700. Ancient Finnish borders
       Hi BPers, (sorry about no attachment the first time) Even though I spent several years in Finland during my younger years, I had no idea how well preserved and
       Sep 17, 2003 @ 16:45 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
11701. more pics
       These three pictures are of the old stone marked the Russia-Sweden and later the USSR-Finland border until 1939. It is clearly visible in the 1930 shots on the
       Sep 17, 2003 @ 17:13 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
11702. border zone
       This was an interesting sign located on the edge of the Finland-Russia border zone (modern day of course).
       Sep 17, 2003 @ 17:18 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
11703. last one
       This is an interesting tourist attraction! It s a mock Russia-Finland border that tourists can walk around and touch near Ilomantsi, Finland. Cheers, Dallen
       Sep 17, 2003 @ 17:26 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
11704. Re: What's the deal with Andorra
       ... very ... and ... I have seen more andorran maps, and now I ve changed my mind. A IGN 1:50.000 french map doesn t show the Canillo/Encamp boundary, but the
       Sep 17, 2003 @ 18:08 - marcelmiquelcat ("marcelmiquelcat" <marcelmiquel@...>)
11705. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Khor Kalba (was: madha / nahwa?)
       Has the UAE/Omani border changed? At this map you can see Khor Kalba inside Oman. I believe this town is in the UAE. Or am I wrong? Regards, Christian
       Sep 17, 2003 @ 19:46 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
11706. bfcigh
       http://home.worldonline.dk/jesniel/border/african_tripoints.htm#bfghci River is called Mouhoun (new name) on my map
       Sep 17, 2003 @ 20:33 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11707. bfbjtg
       http://home.worldonline.dk/jesniel/border/african_tripoints.htm#bjbftg http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/EART/ghana/200k/03-31-07.jpg
       Sep 17, 2003 @ 20:40 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11708. Lome, TG
       http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/EART/ghana/200k/02-31-14.jpg Lome has to be one of the most farthest out capitals in the world. Where can you be at the border, the
       Sep 17, 2003 @ 20:58 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11709. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Lome, TG
       TGsw class e? http://www.nicolette.dk/borderbase/border.php?c1=139&c2=56 Jesper ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday,
       Sep 17, 2003 @ 21:00 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11710. Re: bfcigh
       youve lost me there do you mean you have a new map in front of you on which the black volta river is indicated as the mouhoun river rather than by its usual
       Sep 17, 2003 @ 21:06 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11711. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: bfcigh
       http://www.britannica.com/eb/article?eu=15722 ... From: m06079 To: Sent: Wednesday, September
       Sep 17, 2003 @ 21:11 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11712. Re: Lome, TG
       its a multipoint if you say so i guess & thanx for trying tho the link needs a tweak ... Service.
       Sep 17, 2003 @ 21:13 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11713. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Lome, TG
       tweak? ... From: m06079 To: Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 11:13 PM Subject:
       Sep 17, 2003 @ 21:15 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11714. Re: bfbjtg
       do you mean you are just ignoring or duplicating message 11689 that is pretty funny either way but whats up
       Sep 17, 2003 @ 21:17 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11715. Re: Lome, TG
       i am still not getting it maybe it is just me
       Sep 17, 2003 @ 21:18 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11716. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Lome, TG
       me, too ... From: m06079 To: Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 11:18 PM Subject:
       Sep 17, 2003 @ 21:19 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11717. Re: Lome, TG
       i mean your border base link doesnt seem to be working
       Sep 17, 2003 @ 21:26 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11718. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Lome, TG
       Working fine for me and from validator.w3.org Sorry for copying your african tripoints, I missed your posting. Jesper ... From: m06079
       Sep 17, 2003 @ 21:29 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11719. Re: Lome, TG
       no matter brownlie has just arrived yeehawww & of course you are welcome to anything of mine as well as to anything of his i can help you or anyone else to
       Sep 17, 2003 @ 21:53 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11720. Re: Ancient Finnish borders
       dallen i think you are overstating this aspect ... by 1767 many if not most boundaries in europe were already marked true many of the boundaries have changed
       Sep 17, 2003 @ 22:09 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11721. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Ancient Finnish borders
       Do you really think most were marked by then? Many were marked yes, as we ve seen even on BP, but the border environment was still (1695 at least) hanging on
       Sep 17, 2003 @ 23:04 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
11722. Re: Ancient Finnish borders
       ... by 1767 yes practically everywhere in europe & many even in colonial america & i believe we have seen them in the pyrenees by the 1300s too Many were
       Sep 17, 2003 @ 23:24 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11723. cnkgtj china kyrgyzstan tajikistan class d
       http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/EART/tajikistan/100k/10-43-016.jpg where the name given for the tripoint peak is given as zarya vostoka
       Sep 18, 2003 @ 06:08 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11724. kgtjuz kyrgyzstan tajikistan uzbekistan
       http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/EART/tajikistan/100k/11-42-142.jpg or at least i think it is a new one here tho surrounded by the familiar slew of postsoviet
       Sep 18, 2003 @ 06:27 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11725. azgeru azerbaijan georgia russia
       http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/EART/azerbaijan/100k/K-38-081.jpg & perhaps there are other fresh ones still lurking here too but i just cant tell any more which
       Sep 18, 2003 @ 08:01 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11726. amgetr armenia georgia turkey class e
       http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/EART/x-ussr/100k/K-38-099.jpg the neighboring peak named erakatar fetches a prehistoric rock art site with several beguiling but
       Sep 18, 2003 @ 16:11 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11727. amaztr & azirtr on the arax class ee
       amaztr armenia azerbaijan turkey http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/EART/azerbaijan/100k/J-38-006.jpg just a few km above its near neighbor on the adjacent map to the
       Sep 18, 2003 @ 16:40 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11728. Re: amaztr & azirtr on the arax class ee
       oops also on the arax but much farther downstream yet still also class ee thanx to the same pix below hahaha are amazirw & amazire armenia azerbaijan iran west
       Sep 18, 2003 @ 16:54 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11729. aftjuz afghanistan tajikistan uzbekistan class ee too
       http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/EART/tajikistan/100k/10-42-100.jpg http://www.gems-afghan.com/cgi-bin/aslides.pl?8&3 is aftj so a bit too far up the amu darya &
       Sep 18, 2003 @ 17:19 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11730. alcsmk albania crnasrpa macedonia but where
       http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/EART/albania/50k/11-34-78-1.jpg according to the locator map & more or less confirmed by the cia but where exactly is the tripoint
       Sep 18, 2003 @ 18:07 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11731. iqjosy iraq jordan syria
       grand finale http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/EART/jordan/100k/9-37-90.jpg & apologies if any of these were repeats but i dont think so
       Sep 18, 2003 @ 18:27 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11732. Re: [BoundaryPoint] iqjosy iraq jordan syria
       Yes Berkeley University is really great. I once made the webmaster scan some of the other African maps too. (I wll see if I can find them) No need to say the
       Sep 18, 2003 @ 18:31 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11733. Re: iqjosy iraq jordan syria
       hahaha & i only just found a machine good enough to see them hahaha glad we at least got a class d visit out of all that commotion hahahaha nice to have it on
       Sep 18, 2003 @ 20:43 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11734. Korea DMZ TV Show coming
       On Sunday 21 Sept PM at 6 EDT CNN Cable News will have a documentary on the DMZ. I saw a preview of it the other day, and it covers interesting areas inside
       Sep 18, 2003 @ 21:56 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
11735. more bwnazmzw details from brownlie
       a recent review of brownlie on bwnazmzw including not only the 10 pages & 5 theses he devotes to what he calls the quadripoint issue but also his separate
       Sep 19, 2003 @ 00:59 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
11736. Swen virus
       Does someone on either of these lists have the Swen virus on your computer? I am getting hammered, especially on my Yahoo! account by emails every few minutes.
       Sep 19, 2003 @ 04:04 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
11737. unsubscribe
       
       Sep 19, 2003 @ 09:52 - Julio ("Julio" <rulio@...>)
11738. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] Khor Kalba (was: madha / nahwa?)
       Firstly, this Russian map is very old (1973), and secondly, it was already wrong when in 1973. The Sultanate/UAE border has undisputedly always been where the
       Sep 19, 2003 @ 16:31 - Joachim Duester ("Joachim Duester" <jduester@...>)
11739. oz2 major internal tripoints of australia
       this punctoscopy begins by looking like a no brainer but is in practice not so simple & brings us at length to a crisis as well as an impasse to begin with i
       Sep 19, 2003 @ 17:13 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
11740. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] Khor Kalba (was: madha / nahwa?)
       nice & clearly the russkies blew this one but we have found them usually pretty good on the tripoints as we wait breathlessly for more of them from jesper
       Sep 19, 2003 @ 17:21 - janecapellaro ("janecapellaro" <janecapellaro@...>)
11741. pressure builds for djeret try next month
       http://ipsnews.net/interna.asp?idnews=20212 & a military meeting on wednesday marked the first known eret cooperation since the icj judgment & could be prelude
       Sep 19, 2003 @ 19:11 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11742. Re: pressure builds for djeret try next month
       oops the military meeting was only routine after all but ethiopia again promises cooperation still the next routine military meeting may be postponed til
       Sep 20, 2003 @ 13:44 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11743. are btcnine & btcninw settled yet
       bhutan & china agree to agree & will begin by at least comparing maps of their entire long disputed border http://www.kuenselonline.com/article.php?sid=3301
       Sep 20, 2003 @ 13:58 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11744. new hope for azerbaijan & the letter a
       this map http://www.azembassy.com appears to give the officially complete topology of az2 including both nakhichevan & nagorno karabakh other sources have
       Sep 20, 2003 @ 15:45 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11745. Cooch Behar
       http://www.newindpress.com/Newsitems.asp?ID=IEH20030919145006&Title=Top+Stories&rLink=0 Jesper -- Borderbase - your online guide to international borders
       Sep 20, 2003 @ 19:52 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11746. Russian maps
       Many of the Soviet maps are compilations form local/colonial series. The Russians didn t do their own surveying but reproduced colonial (often British)
       Sep 21, 2003 @ 00:38 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
11747. Re: new hope for azerbaijan & the letter a
       a better list & map did indeed turn up http://www.geohive.com/ed/link.php?xml=az&xsl=xs1 which btw is also interesting for its internal claving implications &
       Sep 21, 2003 @ 16:44 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11748. Re: new hope for azerbaijan & the letter a
       hopefully corrected url below with apologies
       Sep 21, 2003 @ 16:51 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11749. Re: [BoundaryPoint] oz2 major internal tripoints of australia
       oz2 for Old Zealand or Occidental (West) of Zealand ? Though I m not sure if AU was settled before NZ anyway -Mike K. ... __________________________________
       Sep 22, 2003 @ 04:20 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
11750. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: best available resolution
       1. Shouldn t we count binational quadripoint in our list of world class multipoints? This would increase the total past the 160 mark. Unless we make the case
       Sep 22, 2003 @ 05:17 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
11751. 2 pics from AT HU
       Dear BP members... returned from Vienna a couple of days ago. Highlight of the trip: a visit to a small bordercrossing between Austria + Hungary south of
       Sep 22, 2003 @ 07:40 - Peter Hering (Peter Hering <hering@mail.dk>)
11752. 2 new pics to be found in the photo section
       In addition to my recent mail I d like you to know that these 2 pics from AT HU have been added to the photo section of BP! all yours Mafiapete de bedste
       Sep 22, 2003 @ 08:12 - Peter Hering (Peter Hering <hering@...>)
11753. Re: oz2 major internal tripoints of australia
       hahahaha good points hahaa am still pondering your other excellent queries too
       Sep 22, 2003 @ 12:37 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11754. Re: 2 new pics to be found in the photo section
       thanx boss is that viszontlatasra as in you say viszontlatasra i say koztarsasa & reposting your attachments like this to our roomy new photos section does
       Sep 22, 2003 @ 12:54 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11755. Re: best available resolution
       brownlie is professor of international law ian brownlie & for bp purposes especially his humongous 1979 border bible entitled african boundaries a legal &
       Sep 22, 2003 @ 14:06 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11756. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Driving in Africa - borders
       What parts of Canada drove on the left? I m guessing Newfoundland when it was still British, before it became Canada s tenth province in 1949. If that s
       Sep 22, 2003 @ 16:41 - Drew Hoffman (Drew Hoffman <hilversum96@...>)
11757. Re: Driving in Africa - borders
       true enough tho there was in fact such a road meeting place even then at anse sablon on the mainland between quebec province & labrador labrador had been a
       Sep 22, 2003 @ 17:09 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11758. Re: new hope for azerbaijan & the letter a
       & some new data & queries ... tralia 12 ... so before proceeding to even think about the letter b etc & just to pause & savor the results of our random
       Sep 23, 2003 @ 19:09 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11759. Canadian drivers
       BC, NB, NS & PEI drove on the left. The others on the right. Newfoundland drove on the left until 1947, then joined Canada in 1949. Central Canada and the
       Sep 23, 2003 @ 23:55 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
11760. Mexican internal maritime allocation
       ... Although I consider myself a Mexiphile and researcher on most things Mexican, I ve never know the republic s internal maritime allocation regime. Mike,
       Sep 24, 2003 @ 02:43 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11761. Re: Mexican internal maritime allocation
       as i recall mexico is basically just like canada in reserving its entire maritime territory to the federal government except that canadian federal waters end &
       Sep 24, 2003 @ 03:00 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11762. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Mexican internal maritime allocation
       ... From: m06079 To: Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 10:00 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re:
       Sep 24, 2003 @ 03:12 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
11763. Re: Mexican internal maritime allocation
       ... right this is the ironic boca chica or little mouth of the rio grand where i once walked across almost without getting wet lately it has been mostly bone
       Sep 24, 2003 @ 03:30 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11764. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Mexican internal maritime allocation
       That is bizarre! Are you sure that the Mexican states don t even include the beaches, or is it just a matter of federal government ownership of the beaches
       Sep 24, 2003 @ 03:31 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11765. Fwd: DMZ
       ... Doug Murray Productions - Border Films CBC POV Sports - CBC Infomatrix 1211 Cotton Drive Vancouver BC Canada 1.604.728.1407
       Sep 24, 2003 @ 05:13 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
11766. Onion: Canada and India solve border dispute
       ;-) -Pepijn
       Sep 24, 2003 @ 07:16 - Pepijn Hendriks ("Pepijn Hendriks" <pepijnh@...>)
11767. Re: Mexican internal maritime allocation
       yes i finally am sure now thanx to you http://www.mexicolaw.com/LawInfo30.htm
       Sep 24, 2003 @ 13:33 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11768. Re: Onion: Canada and India solve border dispute
       hahahahaha very tastefully done maestro hahaha & your timing is always impeccable too only please come much more often
       Sep 24, 2003 @ 13:41 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11769. ethiopia stalls djeret etc anew
       http://www.irinnews.org/report.asp?ReportID=36780&SelectRegion=Horn_of_Africa&SelectCountry=ERITREA-ETHIOPIA or heres the skinny to save you the trip since
       Sep 24, 2003 @ 14:10 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
11770. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Mexican internal maritime allocation
       So, are you saying that this URL makes you sure that the Zona Federal Maritimo Terrestre (ZoFeMaT) is beyond the jurisdiction of the states? It says to me
       Sep 24, 2003 @ 14:33 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11771. Re: Mexican internal maritime allocation
       the writer of this spanish text deplores that it is actual federal jurisdiction rather than merely federal ownership
       Sep 24, 2003 @ 16:48 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11772. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Mexican internal maritime allocation
       Thanks for the useful URL. The writer of the editorial makes the point that there is no constitutional basis for the ZoFeMaT--it being based only on a federal
       Sep 24, 2003 @ 18:35 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11773. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Mexican internal maritime allocation
       At www.funcionpublica.gob.mx/unaopspf/dgapi/lgbn_c4.htm is the text of Article 49 of Mexico s General Law of National Goods, in which is delimited the ZoFeMaT.
       Sep 24, 2003 @ 20:00 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11774. Re: Mexican internal maritime allocation
       ... ticle 49 of Mexico s General Law of National Goods, in which is delimited the Z= oFeMaT. Section I says: When the coast presents beaches, the
       Sep 24, 2003 @ 20:37 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11775. Re: Mexican internal maritime allocation
       ... you bet & which means it is the law of the land in mexico under the mexican constitution a law doesnt have to be in the constitution to be legal He does
       Sep 24, 2003 @ 20:43 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11776. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Mexican internal maritime allocation
       I ve been digging in the Political Constitution of the United Mexican States, and I think I ve arrived at the bottom of the question! More just as soon as I
       Sep 24, 2003 @ 21:02 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11777. Re: Mexican internal maritime allocation
       ... Ar= ticle 49 of Mexico s General Law of National Goods, in which is delimited the= Z= oFeMaT. Section I says: When the coast
       Sep 24, 2003 @ 21:10 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11778. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Mexican internal maritime allocation
       Below, I quote in English translation from the Political Constitution of the United Mexican States (as amended through June 26, 2003), which clarifies several
       Sep 24, 2003 @ 23:41 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11779. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Mexican internal maritime allocation
       ... Of course. I think his point was that, since it s only a statute and not in the constitution, the change for which he agitates can and should be
       Sep 25, 2003 @ 00:26 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11780. Re: Mexican internal maritime allocation
       ... shed. yes but that means it would need to be changed from its present status which is of legal federal territory & jurisdiction & which he finds so
       Sep 25, 2003 @ 02:18 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11781. Re: Mexican internal maritime allocation
       ... shed. yes but that means it would need to be changed from its present status which is of legal federal territory & jurisdiction & which he finds so
       Sep 25, 2003 @ 02:19 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11782. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Mexican internal maritime allocation
       I feel that I am somewhat badly misunderstood, but we ll just have to agree to disagree. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: m06079
       Sep 25, 2003 @ 02:31 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11783. Re: Mexican internal maritime allocation
       apologies for the inadvertent double post & i thought you made yourself misunderstood very well in any case we do appear to already agree to within 20 or 100
       Sep 25, 2003 @ 02:40 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11784. Re: ethiopia stalls djeret etc anew
       shuttle diplomacy in effect as of today http://allafrica.com/stories/200309250016.html & a good one from reuters yesterday
       Sep 25, 2003 @ 14:43 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11785. pics from the iron curtain
       Hi! My name is Joseph. I am member of the IRONCURTAIN Foundation Europe. We do lots of research concerning the former Iron Curtain between Eastern and Western
       Sep 25, 2003 @ 14:54 - Joseph Hornykewycz (Joseph Hornykewycz <joseph.hornykewycz@chello.at>)
11786. Re: [BoundaryPoint] pics from the iron curtain
       And here is the new iron curtain. http://www.vasa.abo.fi/users/rpalmber/BordersByLt.htm Jesper ... Borderbase - your online guide to international borders
       Sep 25, 2003 @ 17:50 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11787. questions aroused by brownlie
       the following notes are cobbled from the intro to african boundaries p17 etc a great many boundary descriptions affecting alignments in africa refer to rivers
       Sep 25, 2003 @ 18:49 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11788. Re: [BoundaryPoint] questions aroused by brownlie
       In POLITICAL GEOGRAPHY (Second Edition) by Norman J. G. Pounds (New York: McGraw-Hill Book Company, 1972), which was one of my graduate school textbooks, ...
       Sep 25, 2003 @ 23:19 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11789. Re: questions aroused by brownlie
       ... hahahahahah hahaha & i completely understand & agree with & thank you for this & all these comments any idea why only civilized & why only commerce how
       Sep 25, 2003 @ 23:44 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11790. Re: questions aroused by brownlie
       & why only historic wouldnt actual navigation in the present be given more weight than historic navigability if a question ever came up
       Sep 25, 2003 @ 23:52 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11791. Book about CAUS
       Just found the following book about the CAUS border: The Border: Canada, The US and Dispatches from the 49th Parallel. By James Laxer. Published this month!
       Sep 25, 2003 @ 23:56 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
11792. Re: questions aroused by brownlie
       another interesting aspect of this is the general rule & really a consequence of natural laws that the smaller the stream the closer the median line is to the
       Sep 26, 2003 @ 00:25 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11793. Re: Book about CAUS
       I like the following excerpt from the book description: ...until 1931 the Canadian Army?s ?Defence Scheme Number One? was to launch a surprise attack on the
       Sep 26, 2003 @ 00:28 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
11794. Re: [BoundaryPoint] pics from the iron curtain
       Welcome Joseph! You will find lots of border related stuff here. Check the group archives for photos. Many of us also maintain websites with photos. Mine
       Sep 26, 2003 @ 01:07 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
11795. Re: pics from the iron curtain
       ... & joseph it is true gcebe was the first border roadtrip that a group of boundarypointers took & also true that they took it in september 2001 but the first
       Sep 26, 2003 @ 02:24 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11796. Re: Book about CAUS
       hahahaha how do you get 22 to the north
       Sep 26, 2003 @ 02:24 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11797. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: questions aroused by brownlie
       ... I didn t make the rules. Apparently they were made by civilized Europeans who wouldn t have considered native savages in a canoe anything more than
       Sep 26, 2003 @ 03:05 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11798. Re: ethiopia stalls djeret etc anew
       eritrea insists she too wont budge & joins trash talks http://allafrica.com/stories/200309250312.html
       Sep 26, 2003 @ 03:07 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11799. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: questions aroused by brownlie
       I should have said any evidence rather than any historic evidence. I was trying to emphasize that any historic evidence at all would prove the case for
       Sep 26, 2003 @ 03:17 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11800. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: pics from the iron curtain
       ... May I humbly add that members of the group (well, one member) took part in the GJBCE (great Jungholz boundary cross expedition) in July 2001. Here is the
       Sep 26, 2003 @ 06:34 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
11801. Article: The New Iron Curtain:
       Article: The New Iron Curtain: http://www.heise.de/tp/english/inhalt/co/15565/1.html Doug Murray Productions - Border Films CBC POV Sports - CBC Infomatrix
       Sep 26, 2003 @ 06:44 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
11802. Re: pics from the iron curtain
       ... Thx for your advise. I created a folder named Iron Curtain and posted two pictures to it: 1. the very last remains of the Iron Curtain between aut/cz 2.
       Sep 26, 2003 @ 13:10 - joseph_h001 ("joseph_h001" <joseph.hornykewycz@...>)
11803. Re: pics from the iron curtain
       ... you certainly may tho this is no place for humility & imo you have nothing to be humble about anyway & i have taken the liberty of clipping the little
       Sep 26, 2003 @ 13:23 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11804. Re: Article: The New Iron Curtain:
       ... As a matter of fact, in the time of the SU the ukrhu border was already more secured and much more impermeable than the iron curtain between the authu
       Sep 26, 2003 @ 13:30 - joseph_h001 ("joseph_h001" <joseph.hornykewycz@...>)
11805. Re: Book about CAUS
       I counted the 18 current CAUS trifinia and the 4 Canada multifinia. I realize the north tetrafinium did not exist in 1931, and I m not really sure about the
       Sep 26, 2003 @ 13:59 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
11806. Re: Article: The New Iron Curtain:
       ... hahahahaha good one it is nice to see all this over our shoulder on the receding horizon thanx for the file too & i should have mentioned there is even
       Sep 26, 2003 @ 14:17 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11807. Brunei-Malysia dispute
       http://www.brudirect.com/DailyInfo/News/Archive/Sept03/260903/nite12.htm
       Sep 26, 2003 @ 18:42 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11808. Re: Brunei-Malysia dispute
       they have long agreed to agree about the relatively minor issue of a limbang corridor the real disagreement involves their rich overlapping eez claims & i
       Sep 26, 2003 @ 19:49 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11809. djeret extra
       in depth news analysis http://allafrica.com/stories/200309260032.html european union weighs in today http://allafrica.com/stories/200309260640.html but why not
       Sep 26, 2003 @ 20:46 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
11810. New EU border......
       Well maybe this is a part II to the New Berlin Wall series of messages but Lithuania is putting up a serious border fence around the country as per EU
       Sep 26, 2003 @ 23:51 - kontikipaul ("kontikipaul" <contikipaul@...>)
11811. ba2 bosnia & herzegovina punctology & clavology
       this odd country has only 3 primary political subdivisions which however apparently comprise 6 distinct territorial areas & produce 2 internal tripoints the 2
       Sep 27, 2003 @ 16:19 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
11812. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ba2 bosnia & herzegovina punctology & clavology
       The Brcko District is shown on a map at http://www.dur.ac.uk/a.s.jeffrey/methodology_paper.html#_Toc1287363 Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ...
       Sep 27, 2003 @ 18:14 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11813. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ba2 bosnia & herzegovina punctology & clavology
       Brcko/BA border sign http://www.nicolette.dk/borderbase/country.php?country=17 ... From: Lowell G. McManus To:
       Sep 27, 2003 @ 18:39 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11814. Re: ba2 bosnia & herzegovina punctology & clavology
       well thanxx to both of you i think we can at least conclude that the serb republic is indeed in 2 pieces rather than a single piece & can confirm that the
       Sep 27, 2003 @ 19:07 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11815. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ba2 bosnia & herzegovina punctology & clavology
       There are six pieces. The Brcko District is not so much a condominium of the other two primary divisions as it is a third separate entity, governed not so much
       Sep 27, 2003 @ 21:01 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11816. bb2 barbados dream country
       the 11 traditional parishes of barbados have been officially declared irrelevant in recent years tho the cia continues to consider them real as well as subject
       Sep 27, 2003 @ 22:22 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
11817. Re: ba2 bosnia & herzegovina punctology & clavology
       thank you very much for these several gratifying corroborations & it only makes me wish for an even better map just to try to nail this unusual pair of
       Sep 27, 2003 @ 22:46 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11818. Re: Book about CAUS
       ... multifinia. I ... made a few ... right like that there could only be what you know & love as t h e 18 & as t h e 4 & i must congratulate you on your
       Sep 27, 2003 @ 23:28 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11819. Singapore - Malaysia dispute
       http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/topstories/story/0,4386,211545-1064699940,0 0.html?
       Sep 28, 2003 @ 01:50 - Richard Lam ("Richard Lam" <richardlam11@...>)
11820. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ba2 bosnia & herzegovina punctology & clavology
       The capital of the Serbian Republic is Banja Luka. It is located in the northwestern segment. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: m06079
       Sep 28, 2003 @ 02:55 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11821. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Book about CAUS
       While tetrafinium does indeed sound cool, it mixes Greek and Latin roots. Quadrifinium would be more pure and correct. Lowell G. McManus Leesville,
       Sep 28, 2003 @ 03:41 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11822. News Item: PL-BY
       Article about Poland-Belarus boundary: http://www.eubusiness.com/afp/030928014227.a7h5lis4 Doug Murray Productions - Border Films CBC POV Sports - CBC
       Sep 28, 2003 @ 05:30 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
11823. Re: Book about CAUS
       ... and Latin roots. but lowell thats precisely what i love most about it it is as brash & punk that way as punctology itself while being perfectly goofy as
       Sep 28, 2003 @ 12:24 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11824. Re: News Item: PL-BY
       wow & what a fantastic surprise ending too score one border point interesting also that lithuania has actually fenced herself off from the other postsoviets if
       Sep 28, 2003 @ 13:00 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11825. Re: Singapore - Malaysia dispute
       so it appears this dispute also does not yet entirely meet brownlies minimum standard of disputatiousness as detailed in message 11808 but as singapore also
       Sep 28, 2003 @ 13:22 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11826. bd2 bangladesh punctoscopy needs help
       why cant all these countries decide how many divisions they have anyway & if they cant how are we supposed to latest available cia map shows only 4 divisions
       Sep 28, 2003 @ 15:17 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
11827. be2 or not be2 is the question
       or more explicitly do the 3 belgian phonic or ethnic regions or whatever they really are http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/be(r.html actually trump or merely
       Sep 28, 2003 @ 22:05 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11828. Bangladesh Explanations
       Until 1993, the 1996 CIA map of Bangladesh was accurate. Boy, they are late in everything. And people wonder why CIA incompetence is so many butt of jokes.
       Sep 29, 2003 @ 14:27 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
11829. Re: Bangladesh Explanations
       thanxx arif thats both completely satisfying & entertaining too so from your data at the end about the new divisions i dont think there is any question that
       Sep 29, 2003 @ 16:05 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11830. bf2 megapoint alert & a mess
       http://www.mindspring.com/~gwil/ubf.html lists the 45 provinces of burkina faso which were increased in 1997 from the 30 shown on the latest cia map dated 1996
       Sep 29, 2003 @ 23:27 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
11831. as djeret month arrives
       latest news & analysis http://allafrica.com/stories/200309300006.html http://allafrica.com/stories/200309300001.html
       Sep 30, 2003 @ 15:02 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
11832. Questions and comments
       I was checking out a map site of Kwazulu-Natal (the one that is on my link site) and found out what looks like a fragment on the western side being the
       Sep 30, 2003 @ 16:46 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
11833. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Questions and comments
       http://www.demarcation.org.za/demarcprocess/wards/ver3e/DCmaps/jpeg/DC43.jpg Jesper ... From: Arif Samad To:
       Sep 30, 2003 @ 20:38 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11834. Re: Questions and comments
       arif ... i agree in canada also at least & possibly elsewhere in the british commonwealth the same coastal baselines that separate territorial seas from
       Sep 30, 2003 @ 21:08 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11835. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Questions and comments
       Or even better: http://www.demarcation.org.za/demarcprocess/wards/ver3e/munic/jpg/KZ5a3.jpg Jesper ... From: Jesper Nielsen To:
       Sep 30, 2003 @ 21:37 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11836. Point Roberts & Water
       I have been under the impression that it is illegal to bulk export water from Canada. It is ok to ship bottled water, but not large bulk amounts. But I may
       Sep 30, 2003 @ 21:47 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
11837. tomorrows bangladesh maritime border news today
       no kidding & no help with our question but awful timely http://www.thedailystar.net/2003/10/01/d3100101055.htm
       Sep 30, 2003 @ 23:34 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11838. South Africa
       Yes indeed it is a small enclave. It was originally an enclave within the independent Transkei, just as Transkei had a larger enclave within Natal. When
       Oct 01, 2003 @ 03:08 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
11839. Re: South Africa
       so i gather what you are calling transkei here has since become eastern cape province as in http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/africa/south_africa_reliefmap.jpg
       Oct 01, 2003 @ 12:18 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11840. Re: as djeret month arrives
       & here is a possibly typical if not unanimous eritrean opinion http://www.mysan.de/article1112.html so maybe the demarcation really can begin this month after
       Oct 01, 2003 @ 13:44 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11841. South African enclaves
       I have been pleasantly surprised by the fact that there are still first-level enclaves in the world to be found. A plethora of new map sites on the web helps.
       Oct 01, 2003 @ 14:55 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
11842. Poland-Ukraine: Visa effects
       Here comes the EU: http://famulus.msnbc.com/FamulusIntl/reuters10-01-052654.asp?reg=EUROPE Doug Doug Murray Productions - Border Films POV Sports - The X 1211
       Oct 01, 2003 @ 16:11 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
11843. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Poland-Ukraine: Visa effects
       Tragic and sad. People living on the edge of the EU and living from small cross-border business are shut out completely now. A new Iron Curtain is arising...
       Oct 01, 2003 @ 16:27 - Joseph Hornykewycz (Joseph Hornykewycz <joseph.hornykewycz@...>)
11844. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Onion: Canada and India solve border dispute
       ... From: m06079 To: Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 8:41 AM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re:
       Oct 01, 2003 @ 16:14 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
11845. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Poland-Ukraine: Visa effects
       This is why I found the Great Baltic Border Expediton so amazing. To see the changes and to meet real people whose lives will be uprooted by the new outer EU
       Oct 01, 2003 @ 17:09 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
11846. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Poland-Ukraine: Visa effects
       Doug Didn t you read your homework :-) You know the shore border will be ajusted with the new border treaty. Jesper ... From: Doug Murray To:
       Oct 01, 2003 @ 17:11 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11847. Re: Onion: Canada and India solve border dispute
       especially nice how this one returned again on cue just when we needed some more comic relief too a gift that keeps giving ... border dispute ... place the ...
       Oct 01, 2003 @ 18:45 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11848. Re: South African enclaves
       ... right on we are still being pleasantly surprised by both claves & megapoints alike within the primary subdivisions of many countries previously unsuspected
       Oct 01, 2003 @ 18:57 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11849. Four Corners-type clubs?
       I m new to the list and hope these aren t impossibly uninformed questions to ask... Is there a club for people who are trying to (or who have accomplished)
       Oct 01, 2003 @ 18:59 - fboosman ("fboosman" <fboosman@...>)
11850. Re: Four Corners-type clubs?
       welcome frank you have put your finger on one of our favorite distractions normally we are riveted on the individual multipoints but sometimes for a break we
       Oct 01, 2003 @ 19:11 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11851. Re: Four Corners-type clubs?
       ... Is there a general name for these easternmost/northwesternmost/etc. type of points? Extremors? Superlatives? ... Depending on one s frame of reference, of
       Oct 01, 2003 @ 19:31 - adamnvillani ("adamnvillani" <avillani@...>)
11852. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Four Corners-type clubs?
       Are you familiar with this site? It may be helpful to you. http://mac.usgs.gov/isb/pubs/booklets/elvadist/elvadist.html Regards, Jack ... From: fboosman
       Oct 01, 2003 @ 20:21 - jparsell ("jparsell" <jparsell@...>)
11853. Re: Four Corners-type clubs?
       ... Just wondering, have any of you visited Border Field? A few years ago a friend and I went to see the border fence about a mile east of the Otay Mesa border
       Oct 01, 2003 @ 20:15 - adamnvillani ("adamnvillani" <avillani@...>)
11854. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Four Corners-type clubs?
       I ve been to Border Field a few times, and I tried to go this past July, but the roads are all blocked off and ripped apart with huge dirt piles blocking all
       Oct 01, 2003 @ 20:34 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
11855. Re: Four Corners-type clubs?
       Here are a few pictures I took last October at Border Field State Park, which contains the southermost point of land in California. I did see some thin-looking
       Oct 01, 2003 @ 23:00 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
11856. Re: Four Corners-type clubs?
       Except in easily identifiable cases like Colorado, Wyoming, etc., I don t know how you would determine northeasternness, northwesternness, etc. The coordinate
       Oct 01, 2003 @ 23:07 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
11857. Border Field Link Correction
       Sorry about the malignant-looking error message you might have received. Here is the correct link, I think.
       Oct 01, 2003 @ 23:10 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
11858. Extremity List Link Correction
       I m now two for two on link typos, thrying for a hat trick. Here is a corrected link to the list of NEWS extremities:
       Oct 01, 2003 @ 23:13 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
11859. river banks and island boundaries
       A recent query from a colleague. I am wondering whether anyone can assist me with the following matters: (1) Reference to legal or arbitral decisions
       Oct 02, 2003 @ 00:11 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
11860. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Four Corners-type clubs?
       re: What s the state of California s state parks???? dallen, i think they are being recalled. : ) bob beckett hollis, new hampshire usa ... From: Dallen
       Oct 02, 2003 @ 01:52 - Beckett, Bob ("Beckett, Bob" <bob.beckett@...>)
11861. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Four Corners-type clubs?
       They ve been terminated! ... ... Doug Murray Productions - Border Films POV Sports - The X 1211 Cotton Drive Vancouver BC Canada 1.604.728.1407
       Oct 02, 2003 @ 01:55 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
11862. Re: Four Corners-type clubs?
       ... easternmost/northwesternmost/etc. ... we have been calling them cardinal extremities & semicardinal extremities & of course there are always several
       Oct 02, 2003 @ 02:00 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11863. Re: Four Corners-type clubs?
       ... years ago ... the ... guard. shall otay add ayatollahs but seriously getting hassled by guards is just the price of being there it is smelly too from the
       Oct 02, 2003 @ 02:36 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11864. Re: tomorrows bangladesh border news today
       still no tripoints or answers but once begun it is hard to stop http://www.thedailystar.net/2003/10/02/d31002020328.htm
       Oct 02, 2003 @ 03:20 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11865. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Four Corners-type clubs?
       ... I ve visited the traditional four corners of the UK mainland - Land s End (SW), John O Groats (NE), Cape Wrath (NW) and Dungeness (SE). However, this is
       Oct 02, 2003 @ 10:59 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
11866. Re: Four Corners-type clubs?
       had to look at a map to comprehend what you mean kevin but what a pleasure to see all this pan out as the truest available semicardinal news tour of this the
       Oct 02, 2003 @ 14:22 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11867. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Four Corners-type clubs?
       ... I ll see if I can dig out some photos of my visits to these extremities, although I well remember there was thick fog the day I visited Cape Wrath and I
       Oct 02, 2003 @ 15:04 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
11868. djeret follies reach general assembly etc
       http://www.news24.com/News24/Africa/News/0,,2-11-1447_1424408,00.html http://www.ipsnews.net/interna.asp?idnews=20431 http://www.mysan.de/article1121.html
       Oct 02, 2003 @ 15:53 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11869. New GBBE Pictures
       I ve posted more low-res scans from the GBBE at the URLs below. More to come over the next few days... http://homepage.mac.com/dougmurray/PhotoAlbum40.html
       Oct 02, 2003 @ 18:34 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
11870. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New GBBE Pictures
       I love that hald naked Estonian. First sober Finn he ever saw. Jesper ... From: Doug Murray To:
       Oct 02, 2003 @ 18:44 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11871. RE: [BoundaryPoint] New GBBE Pictures
       What kind of farmer garb is that? I shudder to think of the burrs in the field. ... From: Jesper Nielsen [mailto:jesniel@image.dk] Sent: Thursday, October 02,
       Oct 02, 2003 @ 18:55 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
11872. Re: Four Corners-type clubs?
       well now it looks like youve got the whole british news tour covered not once but twice over first semicardinally yourself & now cardinally too a difficult & i
       Oct 02, 2003 @ 18:52 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11873. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New GBBE Pictures
       He was the last EE farmer before hitting the Russian fragment of Dubki. He had to sell of land to make space for the border strip. Jesper ... From: Flynn,
       Oct 02, 2003 @ 18:54 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11874. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New GBBE Pictures
       He was a very interesting chap too. He told the story about how a bunch of drunken (insert country here) we caught as they were running around the border.
       Oct 02, 2003 @ 19:00 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
11875. Ger-Lux
       Can anyone tell me which treaty between Germany and Lux established the riverine condominia they enjoy? Brendan
       Oct 03, 2003 @ 00:20 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
11876. Re: Ger-Lux
       vienna 1815 & aachen 1816 ... established the
       Oct 03, 2003 @ 02:21 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11877. Re: New GBBE Pictures
       hahahaha yes apologies shudders misfortune & regrets but you can stretch them out for as long as you like hahahaha anyway when do we double back toward bzgtmx
       Oct 03, 2003 @ 14:59 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11878. observers now say djeret try unlikely this month
       & the united nations rejects ethiopian try for new commission etc none of it very pretty http://allafrica.com/stories/200310030113.html
       Oct 03, 2003 @ 15:39 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11879. Re: Topomap: EELVRU (Kudepi map)
       Hello, In the Files section I have added a scan (Kudepi.jpg) of a section of a map (Estonian Waters, 1991) showing the river Kudepi (Kadupe in Latvian). At its
       Oct 03, 2003 @ 20:25 - joostik ("joostik" <joostik@...>)
11880. New Pictures
       I ve got some more photos up: http://homepage.mac.com/dougmurray/PhotoAlbum43.html and http://homepage.mac.com/dougmurray/PhotoAlbum44.html and Some nice
       Oct 04, 2003 @ 00:20 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
11881. CAUS -- News Item (Canadian exempt from new rules)
       CANADIANS to be exempt from new US border rules The Globe and Mail, Canada Toronto — Canadians will be exempt from stricter rules at US land border crossings
       Oct 04, 2003 @ 00:31 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
11882. Re: CAUS -- News Item (Canadian exempt from new rules)
       hahaha that canadian was a law unto himself anyway ... land border ... Congress ...
       Oct 04, 2003 @ 13:26 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11883. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: New GBBE Pictures
       Oh yes, BZGTMX... Well, no confirmed plans for a return visit, but I *am* working on it. If I could start making a decent income off all this border stuff, I d
       Oct 04, 2003 @ 19:09 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
11884. Re: Ger-Lux
       They seem awfully old - wouldn t they have lapsed at least in periods when Luxembourg ceased to exist? What would have resurrected the condominium when
       Oct 05, 2003 @ 13:53 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
11885. Re: New GBBE Pictures
       ... on it. ... I d ... hahahhhhahahaa hoohooha hahahahahahaha ahhh hhh hhh real tears of joy here doug for there you must have the pea under your border
       Oct 05, 2003 @ 14:10 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11886. Re: Ger-Lux
       It may be the treaty of 1816 to which reference is made is the delimitation treaty between Prussia and the Netherlands. Prussia was put out of its misery by
       Oct 05, 2003 @ 14:14 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
11887. Re: Ger-Lux
       if this chronology can be believed http://www.rootsweb.com/~luxwgw/luxchron.htm luxembourg dates its independence from the treaty of london in 1839 so that may
       Oct 05, 2003 @ 14:24 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11888. Re: Ger-Lux
       yikes maybe brendan actually meant can anyone tell him which treaty between germany as presently established & luxembourg as presently established established
       Oct 05, 2003 @ 14:47 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11889. The problem of divided Balochistan
       The problem of divided Balochistan http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Mahajanapada/message/294 Baluch nationalism, since its birth, has faced the problem of
       Oct 05, 2003 @ 16:34 - nitinindiagreat ("nitinindiagreat" <nitinindiagreat@...>)
11890. Re: Ger-Lux
       It may be the treaty of 1816 to which reference is made is the delimitation treaty between Prussia and the Netherlands. Prussia was put out of its misery by
       Oct 05, 2003 @ 16:44 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
11891. Re: river banks and island boundaries
       Hi, Brendan, Try: New Jersey v. Delaware, 291 US 361-85 (in the 1930s) Webster-Ashburton Treaty, US-Canada, Aug 8, 1842 GB-NL Convention of Mar 26, 1928 re:
       Oct 05, 2003 @ 17:24 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
11892. Re: The problem of divided Balochistan
       welcome great nitinindia & thanx for the problem which for us is fortunately no problem at all but just a great puzzle in the form of one of our most
       Oct 05, 2003 @ 21:33 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11893. Re: Ger-Lux
       actually i think message 3314 should resolve all your confusion as well as answer the original query which however is all the more curious in light of that
       Oct 05, 2003 @ 21:48 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11894. Ger-Lux
       So condo established in 1816 between Neth and Prussia. Then Belgium splits off 1830, formalised 1839, leaving half of former province of Luxemburg to the
       Oct 06, 2003 @ 00:28 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
11895. question about melilla
       hi, who can tell me a link, where i can see a good map of melilla online? thanks, chris
       Oct 06, 2003 @ 00:56 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
11896. Re: Ger-Lux
       ... good & that was all you asked for wasnt it nor do i see what all this other fuss & speculation are about successor states & regimes etc do inherit the
       Oct 06, 2003 @ 04:43 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11897. Re: river banks and island boundaries
       ... Protectorate ... issue) Hindson ... border up ... possessions on the ... 1913. ... Argentina-Brazil ... islands in ... covering what ... sovereignty ...
       Oct 06, 2003 @ 04:45 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11898. Re: question about melilla
       well i can but they are probably not up to your usual standards http://www.camelilla.es/portal/index.jsp http://es.geocities.com/delmarfil/MAPAMELILLA.htm
       Oct 06, 2003 @ 05:58 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11899. Boundary disputes
       http://geoinfo.amu.edu.pl/wpk/factbook/fields/2070.html
       Oct 06, 2003 @ 07:37 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@...>)
11900. Russian bordermarks
       How look like russian bordermark? That, and more usefull informations you can find at Russian Border Guard page: http://www.fps.ru iron-concrete bordermark:
       Oct 06, 2003 @ 08:15 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@interia.pl>)
11901. Re: Boundary disputes
       ... nice shooting artur this is practically the entire pandemonium in a single scatter shot of our global pandominium & nice to see hans island on dedk missing
       Oct 06, 2003 @ 14:12 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11902. Re: Boundary disputes
       ... excuse me but isnt hans island on cadk rather than dedk hahaha no wonder it is missing from the list yikes but still it really is missing from the list
       Oct 06, 2003 @ 16:17 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11903. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Russian bordermarks
       I think I will undertake building a Russian bordermarker as a winter project, the results of which would surely confuse my neighbours. Or, perhaps I could
       Oct 06, 2003 @ 14:11 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
11904. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Ger-Lux
       ... Were there more areas than Selfkant (which was given back only in 1963)? -- Manfred Härtel, DB3HM mailto:Manfred.Haertel@rz-online.de
       Oct 06, 2003 @ 19:12 - Manfred Haertel, DB3HM ("Manfred Haertel, DB3HM" <Manfred.Haertel@...>)
11905. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Topomap: EELVRU (Kudepi map)
       Thank you for the scan Joost. Can you read on the map the name of the river that crosses at the tripoint and goes from LV into EE? gl Harry ten Veen ... From:
       Oct 06, 2003 @ 19:31 - Harry ten Veen (Harry ten Veen <h.ten.veen@...>)
11906. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Boundary disputes
       Not exactly true: This is the current version: http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/fields/2070.html And offcourse cadk is there! Jesper ... Borderbase
       Oct 06, 2003 @ 19:50 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11907. Re: Boundary disputes
       wow nice tho it was exactly true too & i see they cleaned up bjneng too in the same revision & what fun to see we actually caught & corrected not just 1 but
       Oct 06, 2003 @ 21:27 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11908. ethiopia begs kofi to reverse security council blowoff
       http://www.irinnews.org/report.asp?ReportID=37024 yikes i didnt even know they could do that so maybe the djeret try is still alive & well at least in
       Oct 06, 2003 @ 23:19 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11909. talks to settle 3 disputed cnin borders & 6 tripoints begin
       http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_404354,0008.htm wow these really do seem to be on the fast track already
       Oct 07, 2003 @ 00:04 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11910. possible dream job alert
       http://www.fpa.org/jobs_contact2423/jobs_contact_show.htm?doc_id=195041 get paid for eating candy at the fudge factory
       Oct 07, 2003 @ 00:20 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
11911. lots of photos
       I might have missed this in earlier communications, as I ve been out of touch for a while, but has anyone bothered to look for specific borders pictures using
       Oct 06, 2003 @ 23:38 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
11912. Re: Ger-Lux
       ... 1963)? ... Yes, in the case of DENL, the other bigger area that became Dutch in 1949 and German again in 1963 was the village of Elten, near Emmerich.
       Oct 07, 2003 @ 08:08 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
11913. Re: Ger-Lux
       A small map of the Duivelsberg area can be seen on the site of Eef Berns: http://huizen.dds.nl/~eefberns/ ; click on Nieuws van anderen ; first item. The
       Oct 07, 2003 @ 10:02 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
11914. Today at the Supreme Court - Maryland v Virginia
       Today the US Supreme Court will hear a 1 hour argument on the issue of Maryland s sovereignty over the Potomac River to the Virginia shoreline. Virginia
       Oct 07, 2003 @ 13:30 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
11915. Re: lots of photos
       ... been out of ... borders ... with it using ... dozens of ... day using ... quite ... behind. ... wow thats ok babe best to pursue your own bliss wherever it
       Oct 07, 2003 @ 13:43 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11916. Re: Ger-Lux
       http://www.law.fsu.edu/library/collection/LimitsinSeas/IBS031.pdf ... the ... in ... Dutch ... with ... known
       Oct 07, 2003 @ 14:30 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
11917. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Ger-Lux
       ... As Brendan pointed out, the other areas were administered, not annexed by the Netherlands. Is this still true for the Duivelsberg? -- Manfred Härtel,
       Oct 07, 2003 @ 16:33 - Manfred Haertel, DB3HM ("Manfred Haertel, DB3HM" <Manfred.Haertel@...>)
11918. Re: Ger-Lux
       nice multiplay peter & interesting also to find mentioned in passing here some changes that were evidently made to delu also subsequent to 1948 & which may
       Oct 07, 2003 @ 16:44 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11919. Re: Ger-Lux
       ... annexed ... No, the changes to the border that came into being in 1963 were final. Note that not only the areas that were transfered in 1949 were involved,
       Oct 07, 2003 @ 17:32 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
11920. Re: ethiopia begs kofi to reverse security council blowoff
       & today she doubles back to the security council itself http://www.irinnews.org/report.asp?ReportID=37036 yikes again is she just crazy or crazy as a fox or is
       Oct 07, 2003 @ 19:36 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11921. Re: Topomap: EELVRU (Kudepi map)
       he must have gotten loost but from here it looks like both pededze & pedetsi & btw harry anyone who doubts your & therefore our preeminence in the tripoint pix
       Oct 07, 2003 @ 21:14 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
11922. Berlin exclaves and enclaves
       Here is a comprehensive guide to exclaves, enclaves and territorial exchanges of Berlin, from mr Armin Weist, who obviously is somewhat of an expert in the
       Oct 08, 2003 @ 11:48 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
11923. MSNBC News Link: China-India resolve border issue in cyberspace
       moe chinlander sent you this MSNBC News Link: Message: fast track ** China-India resolve border issue in cyberspace ** China and India have resolved a
       Oct 08, 2003 @ 14:16 - orc@orcoast.com (<orc@...>)
11924. Re: MSNBC News Link: China-India resolve border issue in cyberspace
       welcome & good fetch moe & this stunning news also means china has actually conceded india 2 tripoints & 1 entire border previously china maintained sikkim was
       Oct 08, 2003 @ 15:10 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11925. Phayul.com Article: Map missing link of PMs China visit
       good explanation moe Map missing link of PM’s China visit Source : Hindustan Times By Pramit Pal Chaudhuri New Delhi, October 8 - In quietly releasing a
       Oct 09, 2003 @ 12:33 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
11926. celebrating mob reportedly once blew mxus wide open
       this fairly typical but upbeat news feature medley also includes a first known border wedding pic & an account of the worlds only international baseball team
       Oct 09, 2003 @ 20:54 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11927. MSNBC News Link: Ethiopia, Eritrea border demarcation to go ahead
       djeret ho sent you this MSNBC News Link: Message: unmee signals a green light for next week yeehaw we have been fooled before but does anyone believe this or
       Oct 09, 2003 @ 23:34 - maxivan82@hotmail.com (<maxivan82@...>)
11928. A Page From allAfrica.com
       ... SENDPAGE SERVICE -- ALLAFRICA.COM The following page link has been sent to you by one of our readers. AllAfrica offers this facility as a service to our
       Oct 10, 2003 @ 23:04 - moc.il@li.com (moc.il@...)
11929. island Mainau in lake constance / bodensee - swedish territory?
       does anyone have exact information about the island mainau in lake constance? as i know now, it became swedish territory in 1918 by marriage. its now inhabited
       Oct 11, 2003 @ 08:40 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
11930. Re: Boundary disputes
       Great List. As others have pointed out it missed Hans Island which, by memory, was first pointed out to this group via one of those CIA fact sheets then Jesper
       Oct 11, 2003 @ 09:00 - kontikipaul ("kontikipaul" <contikipaul@...>)
11931. Hans Island
       I was watching bbcamerica and in a report on the news about Bosnia Hercegovina the reporter mentioned that EU membership is way off because of the economy,
       Oct 11, 2003 @ 09:14 - kontikipaul ("kontikipaul" <contikipaul@...>)
11932. Second division divided island
       http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/world_cities/guantanamo.jpg I know it s not 100% divided internationally, but can there be more examples? Jesper
       Oct 11, 2003 @ 15:51 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11933. Re: Second division divided island
       ... more examples? maybe there can but before you start a riot of free form responses would you say clearly what you mean by second division divided island &
       Oct 11, 2003 @ 16:58 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11934. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Second division divided island
       OK First of all we know that Guantanamo is not American soil, it s just leased from Cuba. So there is no CUUS. BUT if we pretend that Guantanamo IS American
       Oct 11, 2003 @ 17:07 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11935. Re: Boundary disputes
       really paul i can see how the eu might veto jespers hans island pipedream even if canada & denmark didnt & i can see how he figures he can divide all islands
       Oct 11, 2003 @ 17:34 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11936. Re: Second division divided island
       ok & should we pretend your second division island isnt bridged to your presumably first division island also or should we ignore bridges etc for purposes of
       Oct 11, 2003 @ 17:51 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11937. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Second division divided island
       Is a bridged island a less island? Jesper ... From: m06079 To: Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003
       Oct 11, 2003 @ 18:04 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11938. Re: Topomap: EELVRU (Kudepi map)
       ... tripoint ... [Thanks for the waiting -- just got my computer working again!] It s the Pededze/Pedetsi at the factual tri-point, but according to Estonian
       Oct 11, 2003 @ 18:08 - P. Joost Lemmens ("P. Joost Lemmens" <joostik@...>)
11939. Re: Second division divided island
       yes less island because less isolated & less insular so it can simply be a matter of degrees &or effects but also if a bridge physically attaches an island to
       Oct 11, 2003 @ 18:46 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11940. DK extremes
       http://www.kms.dk/landetrundt/danmarkital/beliggenhed_en.html
       Oct 11, 2003 @ 18:49 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11941. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Hans Island
       ... I think there s some confusion here. Iceland is not in the EEC (now EU), but the European Economic Area which also includes Liechtenstein and Norway. These
       Oct 11, 2003 @ 19:44 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
11942. BBC E-mail: New snag in Horn border dispute
       mdonner saw this story on BBC News Online and thought you should see it. ** Message ** the new york times reported yesterday the united nations would proceed
       Oct 11, 2003 @ 19:44 - mdonner (mdonner <orc@...>)
11943. An article from globeandmail.com
       mdonner (orc@orcoast.com) thought you would be interested in this article from http://www.globeandmail.com, Canada s leading source for online news. ... looks
       Oct 11, 2003 @ 19:58 - mdonner (mdonner <orc@orcoast.com>)
11944. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Second division divided island
       Jesper, Surely the classic second-division divided island must be St Martin/Sint Maarten? St Martin is part of the French Overseas Department of Guadeloupe,
       Oct 11, 2003 @ 19:52 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
11945. fine tuning djeret
       whether the unmee boundary survey commission will finally reach its initial point at djeret later this week as one reliable source now reports or will delay
       Oct 12, 2003 @ 00:30 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11946. Re: Second division divided island
       but if this isnt to be just more apples & oranges you will also have to pretend that either france or the netherlands is a legally divided island country just
       Oct 12, 2003 @ 02:43 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11947. Re: island Mainau in lake constance / bodensee - swedish territory?
       Peter, I heard that rumor before, ran it down, and am amazed that it keeps surfacing. The Queen of Sweden had it from 1907 and when she died in 1930, it went
       Oct 12, 2003 @ 02:51 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
11948. What about others
       So, if we are mentioning divided islands of island countries, why not include Timor and Sebatik that is part of Indonesia or Ireland that has part of United
       Oct 12, 2003 @ 04:10 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
11949. Re: [BoundaryPoint] What about others
       Arif You are quite right. I didn t think of these examples. Can anyone help to find a map of Sebatik, I tried but had difficulties. Jesper ... From: Arif
       Oct 12, 2003 @ 08:19 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11950. Re: [BoundaryPoint] What about others
       This must be the one: http://umbra.nascom.nasa.gov/eclipse/951024/maps/map_7.jpg J ... From: Jesper Nielsen To:
       Oct 12, 2003 @ 08:24 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11951. Hong Kong
       If ordinary Chinese cannot visit HK, the must surely be able to swim in HK water! That s at least what CIA seem to think:
       Oct 12, 2003 @ 10:28 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11952. Re: What about others
       well you guys have gone & changed the rules again or didnt you even notice which is why i asked as usual for a clarification of the original question it is
       Oct 12, 2003 @ 13:16 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11953. Re: Hong Kong
       nice the coastal boundaries are indeed unusual even if no longer world class & they are remarkable if not unique in hugging both the island & the mainland
       Oct 12, 2003 @ 13:26 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11954. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: What about others
       You are quite right Mike, I broke my own rule. GBIE does NOT have a secondary divided island (well, I look at my two 1:50000 topomaps and found no candidates,
       Oct 12, 2003 @ 13:30 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11955. The border between nowhere and somewhere
       Always wondered by tripoint are always located at the middle of nowhere? Except CHDEFR of course. Back to my question: You are standing at the Pacific beach of
       Oct 12, 2003 @ 13:36 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11956. Re: The border between nowhere and somewhere
       ... nowhere? usually because the tripoint represents historically the last place anybody cared about for example in the usa many of the tristate points are
       Oct 12, 2003 @ 14:10 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11957. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: The border between nowhere and somewhere
       how do you get the extra 2 miles? ... From: m06079 To: Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 4:10 PM
       Oct 12, 2003 @ 15:05 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11958. Re: [BoundaryPoint] What about others
       The UK s sovereign bases on Cyprus are also possessions of an island nation on a divided island. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA
       Oct 12, 2003 @ 15:04 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11959. Re: [BoundaryPoint] What about others
       Yes but as far as I can see on my map there is no divided islands inside Cyprus, whether we talk GR, TK, UN or UK Cyprus. ... From: Lowell G. McManus
       Oct 12, 2003 @ 15:08 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11960. Re: [BoundaryPoint] What about others
       Ooops! Now I see that Cyprus, like Ireland, is beyond the pale in terms of the original hard-to-grasp question. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA
       Oct 12, 2003 @ 15:14 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11961. Re: The border between nowhere and somewhere
       ... 12 nautical miles equal nearly 14 statute or land miles & i figured since you were walking you would prefer land miles ... somewhere ... middle of ...
       Oct 12, 2003 @ 17:21 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11962. Re: The border between nowhere and somewhere
       & of course this 12 nautical mile distance measured seaward from the coastal baselines marks the border not so much between nowhere & somewhere as between
       Oct 12, 2003 @ 18:42 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11963. BBC E-mail: Passengers shun Dhaka-India bus
       more inpk follies saw this story on BBC News Online and thought you should see it. ** Passengers shun Dhaka-India bus ** The BBC s Alastair Lawson finds out
       Oct 13, 2003 @ 13:23 - more inpk follies (more inpk follies <orc@...>)
11964. ERITREA-ETHIOPIA:Border commission urges Ethiopia to comply with ruling
       ADDIS ABABA,10/13/2003 (IRIN) - Ethiopia has accused an independent boundary commission of trying to ridicule it after the body, set up to rule on the
       Oct 13, 2003 @ 13:45 - orc@orcoast.com (<orc@...>)
11965. Re: BBC E-mail: Passengers shun Dhaka-India bus
       hey cant you tell the difference between inpk follies & bdin follies yet ... thought you ... lukewarm on a new service connecting Dhaka and India s north-east.
       Oct 13, 2003 @ 17:32 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11966. For your attention
       helicon redman spotted this on the Guardian Unlimited site and thought you should see it. ... Note from helicon redman: slow pointing here as oz reportedly
       Oct 14, 2003 @ 14:11 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
11967. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Second division divided island
       ... Perhaps I misunderstood the question. I thought Jesper was asking for islands where parts of, rather than whole second-level divisions of different
       Oct 12, 2003 @ 19:38 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
11968. Re: Second division divided island
       hahaha it makes perfect sense too & we knew we were in for another fruit salad riot as soon as we saw this marvelously ambiguous or really multibiguous
       Oct 15, 2003 @ 16:27 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11969. Is the Chinese Dragon smiling?
       Please note, the sender s email address has not been verified. This article from Rediff.com has been sent to you by moc.il@li.com recently reported cyberspace
       Oct 15, 2003 @ 17:19 - moc.il@li.com (moc.il@...)
11970. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Crossing Cyprus UN buffer zone
       ... I visited Cyprus last week, and things seemed to have become a bit more relaxed at the Ledra Palace checkpoint. We were simply allowed to walk through the
       Oct 15, 2003 @ 17:46 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
11971. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Second division divided island
       Maybe second division island was a wrong term at the time. What I really meant was a child island which was divided as the mother island. If Guantanamo was
       Oct 15, 2003 @ 18:10 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11972. Fw: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Second division divided island
       ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 8:10 PM Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re:
       Oct 15, 2003 @ 18:10 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
11973. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Crossing Cyprus UN buffer zone
       Kevin I cannot wait for these photos. Particulary if you have photographed the British road with Turkish on one side and Greek on the other. Here is no buffer
       Oct 15, 2003 @ 18:39 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11974. bwnazmzw bridge news
       oddly conflicting reports from the same source on the same day about the recent bwzw agreement to make way for the projected bridge
       Oct 15, 2003 @ 18:48 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
11975. Re: Is the Chinese Dragon smiling?
       I ve never understood the background behind China s non-recognition of India s annexation of Sikkim. Is it some sort of retaliation for India s support of the
       Oct 15, 2003 @ 18:51 - adamnvillani ("adamnvillani" <avillani@...>)
11976. Re: Is the Chinese Dragon smiling?
       i think it is just the overbearing chinese style of diplomacy that is geared to squeezing extra concessions wherever they can be had india figured she could
       Oct 15, 2003 @ 19:34 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11977. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Crossing Cyprus UN buffer zone
       Jesper, ... I assume the Dhekelia SBA corridor acts as a buffer zone. I got the impression from maps that this corridor was wider, but there would seem to be
       Oct 15, 2003 @ 23:08 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
11978. Yugo exclave in London used again.
       The Washington Post ran an article today about the granting and restoration of citizenship by the government of Serbia and Montenegro (rump-Yugoslavia) to the
       Oct 16, 2003 @ 00:58 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
11979. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Crossing Cyprus UN buffer zone
       Royal Exile Many royal families who found themselves exiled from their own countries as war raged across Europe made their way to the familiar haven that was
       Oct 16, 2003 @ 04:55 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11980. News from Atimes Online
       this fresh news analysis enlarges on the recent question from adam & indicates the recidivist chinese web page was no mere oversight etc etc & that india & i
       Oct 16, 2003 @ 18:07 - moc.il@li.com (<moc.il@...>)
11981. Re: Crossing Cyprus UN buffer zone
       ... buffer zone ... the ... those areas. well congrats are in order anyway kevin since you at least went so far as to learn this much about the tripoint
       Oct 16, 2003 @ 19:48 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11982. BBC E-mail: Ethiopia to resist border ruling
       chameleon rind saw this story on BBC News Online and thought you should see it. ** Message ** no djeret this week after all but now the yanks are coming too
       Oct 16, 2003 @ 21:04 - chameleon rind (chameleon rind <moc.il@...>)
11983. djeret demarcation commission reportedly activated by unmee head
       while yanks forge ahead to cut allowances of both parties & add carrot to sledge hammer http://allafrica.com/stories/200310170035.html halfway down this
       Oct 17, 2003 @ 13:52 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11984. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Yugo exclave in London used again.
       I ve never heard of this enclave, but it probably had/has something on the order of extraterritorial status analogous to that of a diplomatic mission. I
       Oct 17, 2003 @ 15:36 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11985. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Yugo exclave in London used again.
       You are right. It would need a parliament ratification. Jesper ... From: Lowell G. McManus To: Sent:
       Oct 17, 2003 @ 17:12 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11986. Re: Yugo exclave in London used again.
       There were quite a few British giveaways of the Realm during the war. Maybe there was a parliamentary confirmation of the gift to the Yugoslav government.
       Oct 17, 2003 @ 23:29 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
11987. djeret dijest djour
       diplomats now say djeret cant be bagged this year & yank mission next week is looking critical in any case & other new stuff
       Oct 18, 2003 @ 13:29 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11988. Re: Yugo exclave in London used again.
       yes you are right lowell & jesper & as you also know or may imagine we have been treated to this & similar nonsense many times over before but some people do
       Oct 18, 2003 @ 14:28 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11989. NJNY
       I just looked at a map of New York and noted that NJNY is a straight line through a populated area. I checked with Topozone and found this part:
       Oct 18, 2003 @ 15:04 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11990. Re: Topomap: EELVRU (Kudepi map)
       In the Files section I added scans of both pre- and post-war tripoints. Before the war it was on the Kudepi/Kadupe/Kudeb river, the post-soviet one is on the
       Oct 18, 2003 @ 18:08 - P. Joost Lemmens ("P. Joost Lemmens" <joostik@...>)
11991. Re: NJNY
       yes & many of us have probably blown right past new york city on the bright red bypass highway at the upper left corner of this map which is the newest & final
       Oct 18, 2003 @ 20:22 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11992. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: NJNY
       This straight line have to cross through buildings etc., there E of the red road. Jesper ... From: m06079 To:
       Oct 18, 2003 @ 21:48 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11993. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Yugo exclave in London used again.
       London has a long reputation for hosting governments in exile. That s okay. Somebody s got to do it. The sovereignty brought to a London hotel room with a
       Oct 18, 2003 @ 22:26 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
11994. Re: NJNY
       yes quite possibly judging from the crisscrossing street pattern if that is what you are meaning to point out & many state lines but especially the straight
       Oct 18, 2003 @ 22:47 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
11995. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: NJNY
       On a personal note, borders like this can be inconvenient for cartographers. When I worked for a map company doing field checks, we would get plots of the
       Oct 19, 2003 @ 06:33 - Asher Samuels (Asher Samuels <asher972@...>)
11996. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: NJNY
       How does this boundary work out? Is there an error on the map? Is it disputed? Jesper ... From: Asher Samuels To:
       Oct 19, 2003 @ 07:52 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
11997. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Yugo exclave in London used again.
       Len, ... I believe that some territory in the Pacific was also ceded to the US during WWII in exchange for ships. ... I haven t seen any details as to exactly
       Oct 19, 2003 @ 12:35 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
11998. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: NJNY
       It s not a disputed boundary - what happened was that New York City set the edge of the park a bit further south than where the eventual line between the part
       Oct 19, 2003 @ 13:08 - Asher Samuels (Asher Samuels <asher972@...>)
11999. Re: new hazard alert at aznmso mxus
       but happily there is more & better from this far out triarea http://www.svherald.com/articles/2003/10/18/news/news3.txt ...
       Oct 19, 2003 @ 14:55 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12000. Cyprus SBA & Green Line Photos
       All, I ve uploaded a few photographs of the SBAs and the Green Line in Cyprus to the web. I haven t yet had a chance to organise these into a proper web page,
       Oct 19, 2003 @ 17:10 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
12001. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cyprus SBA & Green Line Photos
       Kevin Thanks for the treat. Jesper ... From: Kevin Meynell To: Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 7:10 PM
       Oct 19, 2003 @ 17:24 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12002. Re: News from Atimes Online
       but this other indian source overlooks the recidivist chinese web page & expects real action at the imminent border & tripoint talks http://tinyurl.com/rhvv &
       Oct 19, 2003 @ 17:24 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12003. Sikkim
       ... full marks for conciseness there! -- Anton Sherwood, http://www.ogre.nu/
       Oct 19, 2003 @ 19:49 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
12004. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cyprus SBA & Green Line Photos
       ... I ve heard of at least three Green Lines (Cyprus, Beirut, Israel/WB) but what other boundaries are known by colors? -- Anton Sherwood, http://www.ogre.nu/
       Oct 19, 2003 @ 19:57 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
12005. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cyprus SBA & Green Line Photos
       ... Curiously, the sign says DHEKELIA SBA AREA , i.e. `Sovereign Base Area Area unless my Times Atlas misinforms me. -- Anton Sherwood, http://www.ogre.nu/
       Oct 19, 2003 @ 20:03 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
12006. sales of sovereignty (the long-awaited return)
       Hi all. Some of you may remember one of my 83 posts to BoundaryPoint two years ago; if not, I m not the least bit offended. I return with one question which
       Oct 19, 2003 @ 20:20 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
12007. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Crossing Cyprus UN buffer zone
       ... I was referring mostly to the tripoints at the eastern side of the SBA. I guess the UN-UK-Greek tripoint near Pyla would be reasonably attainable,
       Oct 19, 2003 @ 20:34 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
12008. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cyprus SBA & Green Line Photos
       Anton, ... Yes, I suppose it s a bit tautological, like the Faeroe Islands ;-) Regards, Kevin Meynell
       Oct 19, 2003 @ 20:38 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
12009. Re: [BoundaryPoint] sales of sovereignty (the long-awaited return)
       Anton, ... Off the top-of-my-head... Danish West Indies, now the US Virgin Islands. Swedish West Indies, now St Barts (part of the French Overseas Department
       Oct 19, 2003 @ 20:42 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
12010. Re: sales of sovereignty (the long-awaited return)
       Alaska? Peter S. ... since ... Department
       Oct 19, 2003 @ 20:47 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
12011. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cyprus SBA & Green Line Photos
       Must be the area of the SB area. Can t an area have an area? Jesper ... From: Anton Sherwood To: Sent:
       Oct 19, 2003 @ 21:07 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12012. Re: [BoundaryPoint] sales of sovereignty (the long-awaited return)
       ... Hm, now I wonder why I deleted this bit: As an American of course I know about Lousiana 1803, Gadsden 1854, Alaska 1867, Virgin Islands 1917. ... Thanks.
       Oct 19, 2003 @ 21:14 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
12013. Re: sales of sovereignty (the long-awaited return)
       And various Berlin border adjustments of course, definitely paid for in hard western currency. I.I.r.c., the Lenné triangle, for example. I m not sure whether
       Oct 19, 2003 @ 21:19 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
12014. Re: sales of sovereignty (the long-awaited return)
       ... for ... example. ... Acc. to http://www.pohl-projekt.de/G_M_L/g_m_lenne001.htm , it was 76 million DM for a total of 18 areas along the WB border,
       Oct 19, 2003 @ 21:23 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
12015. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cyprus SBA & Green Line Photos
       ... Sure, but the sign marks the perimeter, which has zero area; unless of course the Area is considered as a volume. I can certainly imagine a sign that
       Oct 19, 2003 @ 22:51 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
12016. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cyprus SBA & Green Line Photos
       ... Is there any marker in this shot? -- Anton Sherwood, http://www.ogre.nu/
       Oct 19, 2003 @ 23:17 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
12017. Baarle translation?
       I know someone did this once before, but can I get a fresh translation of this verse from the brass plaque at Camp in Baarle? My dictionary does not agree with
       Oct 20, 2003 @ 00:32 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
12018. Re: [BoundaryPoint] sales of sovereignty (the long-awaited return)
       ... The Gadsden Purchase was in 1853. You can also add these: In the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo in 1848 after the end of the Mexican War, the USA paid Mexico
       Oct 20, 2003 @ 02:11 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12019. Re: sales of sovereignty (the long-awaited return)
       ... BoundaryPoint ... hahahaha of course i remember the whole sequence of your posts from message 4906 when for some reason a few of us began trying to guess
       Oct 20, 2003 @ 02:31 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12020. Re: sales of sovereignty (the long-awaited return)
       but since you are an american anton you of course also know about the sale of east & west florida to the usa by spain in 1819 as well as the sale of north &
       Oct 20, 2003 @ 02:44 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12021. Re: Cyprus SBA & Green Line Photos
       it was enjoyable to study this beautiful photo again & spot what looks like a dove on the wing but especially after the remarks kevin just made about the
       Oct 20, 2003 @ 03:34 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12022. Re: Crossing Cyprus UN buffer zone
       ... of neutral ... side of the ... infamous ... SBA. I ... reasonably attainable, ... correspond with ... to be in a ... a place ... UN Buffer Zone ...
       Oct 20, 2003 @ 04:13 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12023. Re: [BoundaryPoint] sales of sovereignty (the long-awaited return)
       ... My nearest reference says it *took effect* in 1854. ... Good heavens. One doesn t hear that much. ... Thanks. -- Anton Sherwood, http://www.ogre.nu/
       Oct 20, 2003 @ 05:05 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
12024. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cyprus SBA & Green Line Photos
       The markers only involve SBA. Jesper ... Is there any marker in this shot? -- Anton Sherwood, http://www.ogre.nu/ ... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
       Oct 20, 2003 @ 06:47 - jesniel@image.dk (jesniel@...)
12025. sales
       Oman sold Gwadar to Pakistan in the 1950s. Brendan
       Oct 20, 2003 @ 07:02 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
12026. Fwd: knock knock
       ... for the record this was the original formulation of the first of our several new truly dinosaurian loophole ballpark queries tho with the benefit of
       Oct 20, 2003 @ 14:51 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12027. A Page From allAfrica.com
       ... SENDPAGE SERVICE -- ALLAFRICA.COM The following page link has been sent to you by one of our readers. AllAfrica offers this facility as a service to our
       Oct 20, 2003 @ 16:36 - moc.il@li.com (moc.il@...)
12028. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Fwd: knock knock
       What the heck are you saying here? I can t plow through this verbiage. for the record this was the original formulation of the first of our several new truly
       Oct 20, 2003 @ 16:26 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
12029. Re: Baarle translation?
       The verse is about the differences between the Dutch and the Belgian Lions: the Dutch Lion has a crown, the Belgian hasn t; the Dutch Lion holds sword and
       Oct 20, 2003 @ 18:16 - P. Joost Lemmens ("P. Joost Lemmens" <joostik@...>)
12030. Re: sales
       The west German government paid a lot of money on many occasions from 1955-1989 to the east Germans for various purposes, some of which were to obtain
       Oct 20, 2003 @ 19:08 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
12031. Re: sales - Swiss/German
       I posted some maps in the photos section of BPt about a year ago of the territorial trades between Germany and Switzerland in the area west of Schaffausen,
       Oct 20, 2003 @ 19:14 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
12032. Re: Fwd: knock knock
       ... verbiage. thats ok kevin as it refers to some earlier things you also may or may not have followed or noticed & when you clip the context deliberately
       Oct 20, 2003 @ 19:28 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12033. Re: Fwd: knock knock
       An exchange between polar opposite BP members - one who loves curlicues and one who doesn t believe they exist! BJB
       Oct 20, 2003 @ 20:59 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
12034. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Fwd: knock knock
       Oh, I believe. I am just overly dizzy from some of them! I prefer the path less traveled, but not in circles! ... From: bjbutlerus
       Oct 20, 2003 @ 22:40 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
12035. Re: Fwd: knock knock
       well ok then take any exit off the rotary just to regain your equilibrium & bearings & then you can think about where you prefer to go ... the path ... loves
       Oct 21, 2003 @ 03:16 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12036. MSNBC News Link: U.S. envoy in Ethiopia for talks on Eritrea row
       m sent you this MSNBC News Link: Message: new round of shuttle diplomacy has begun ** U.S. envoy in Ethiopia for talks on Eritrea row ** A U.S. envoy held
       Oct 21, 2003 @ 03:27 - moc.il@li.com (<moc.il@...>)
12037. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Fwd: knock knock
       Forward of course!
       Oct 21, 2003 @ 03:57 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
12038. Re: Fwd: knock knock
       ahahaaah your truest point yet ... prefer ... who ... http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
       Oct 21, 2003 @ 12:59 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12039. new wrinkles dept
       yikes ukraine braces for a border riot as russian dam construction advances in slo mo invasion of their common disputed area
       Oct 21, 2003 @ 15:52 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12040. Re: [BoundaryPoint] new wrinkles dept
       This dispute is not along the two nations land border north of the Sea of Azov, which is fully delimited, but is in the shallow waters of the Strait of Kerch,
       Oct 21, 2003 @ 17:56 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12041. Re: new wrinkles dept
       wow thanxx for the exegeses a slo mo invasion by dam dike bridge aqueduct & vodkaduct this is going to be a riot to monitor which makes me all the more curious
       Oct 21, 2003 @ 19:12 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12042. Re: new wrinkles dept
       http://www.rferl.org/nca/features/2003/10/15102003162113.asp http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3208802.stm wow is right ok so it is a real international
       Oct 21, 2003 @ 20:23 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12043. Re: new wrinkles dept
       nice topological questions they are too acro your landward tripoint can be seen here in large on the coast of the taganrog bay of the northeast sea of azov
       Oct 21, 2003 @ 21:44 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12044. MSNBC News Link: Ethiopia renews attack on Eritrea border commission
       income handler sent you this MSNBC News Link: Message: the only real news today is an announcement that the american djeret try by diplomacy will shuttle from
       Oct 22, 2003 @ 00:04 - moc.il@li.com (<moc.il@...>)
12045. Re: MSNBC News Link: Ethiopia renews attack on Eritrea border commission
       ... american djeret try by diplomacy will shuttle from addis ababa to asmara on thursday even as the demarcation delay is reconfirmed oops not really the only
       Oct 22, 2003 @ 00:24 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12046. point roberts and nat'l geographic
       now s our chance...please contact nat l geogrpahic @ http://magma.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/zipcode/0311/index.html and nominate point roberts,wa 98281 as a
       Oct 22, 2003 @ 01:23 - timothykiser ("timothykiser" <timothykiser@...>)
12047. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: new wrinkles dept
       The landward tripoint where the agreement forks into disagreement would be where the land boundary meets the Sea of Azov on its north shore. The two nations
       Oct 22, 2003 @ 02:04 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12048. Re: [BoundaryPoint] MSNBC News Link: Ethiopia renews attack on Eritrea border commission
       ... Is this in English or what? -- Anton Sherwood, http://www.ogre.nu/
       Oct 22, 2003 @ 02:56 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
12049. Largest pene enclave
       Most be the Ukrainan Izmayil area http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/commonwealth/ukraine.gif http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/EART/x-ussr/100k/L-36-049.jpg Jesper
       Oct 22, 2003 @ 03:01 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12050. Re: MSNBC News Link: Ethiopia renews attack on Eritrea border commission
       ... well it is now in fragmentary boundarypointese english djeret means the tripoint of djibouti with eritrea & ethiopia which is coincidentally the point
       Oct 22, 2003 @ 04:15 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12051. Re: new wrinkles dept
       ... disagreement would be ... shore. The two ... delimit a ... Strait of Kerch, good this is the sector in question where the dam is supposedly advancing on
       Oct 22, 2003 @ 05:05 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12052. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cyprus SBA & Green Line Photos
       I ve heard of the boerder between Lebanon and Israel referred to as the Purple Line - I ll try to find some documentation of this later ...
       Oct 22, 2003 @ 07:57 - Asher Samuels (Asher Samuels <asher972@...>)
12053. Re: new wrinkles dept
       Map: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/EART/x-ussr/100k/L-37-098.jpg Tuzlinskaja kosa (Tuzla spit): between grid co-ord. 7306,5020 and 7311,5015. Peter S. ... Sea of
       Oct 22, 2003 @ 09:44 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
12054. Moldova-Romania-Ukraine tripoint
       Here s map: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/EART/x-ussr/100k/L-35-093.jpg and below an article: http://www.paco.net.ua/odessa/media/word/247/sl4-5.htm
       Oct 22, 2003 @ 12:10 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@...>)
12055. Interesting story from News24
       More news at www.news24.com Read the story online: http://www.news24.com/News24/Africa/Features/0,,2-11-37_1433753,00.html Sent by: addis ababa sid district
       Oct 22, 2003 @ 13:48 - moc.il@li.com (moc.il@...)
12056. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Largest pene enclave
       thnk you! ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 5:01 AM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Largest pene enclave
       Oct 22, 2003 @ 14:36 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
12057. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: new wrinkles dept
       Mike, I was about to provide you with a useful hand copy or tracing, but I see that Peter has found a much more useful and detailed map. The boundary shown
       Oct 22, 2003 @ 15:28 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12058. Re: new wrinkles dept
       ... but I see that ... that it shows the line ... Black Sea. ok well then thanxx again to both of you we can at least visualize the general advance of the
       Oct 22, 2003 @ 18:24 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12059. Re: Largest pene enclave
       it is an interesting & unprecedented claim or pursuit what do you mean by largest also what do you mean by pene ... Service.
       Oct 22, 2003 @ 19:16 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12060. Re: Moldova-Romania-Ukraine tripoint
       ... thanx artur & for more on both these tripoints please see message 11315 also when posting or linking in nonenglish please offer clues or highlights &or
       Oct 22, 2003 @ 19:36 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12061. kick back with cnin 6pack tripoint talks starting tomorrow
       http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_428578,0008.htm 15th round of this heavyweight match
       Oct 22, 2003 @ 20:11 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12062. Hey did I meet you at the bar
       I think this is the right email adress you gave me you said if I ever wanted a one night stand to give you a shout well consider me screaming lets chat agian
       Oct 22, 2003 @ 22:10 - bella_drakes14 ("bella_drakes14" <bella_drakes14@...>)
12063. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Hey did I meet you at the bar
       Yikes! Talk about multi-pointing! ... From: bella_drakes14 [mailto:bella_drakes14@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 4:10 PM To:
       Oct 22, 2003 @ 22:16 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
12064. Re: Hey did I meet you at the bar
       yep looks like some of our main members are up for another visit ... at this site is ... http://www.altsexfinder.com/landing.asp?afl=YYHO ...
       Oct 22, 2003 @ 22:37 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12065. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Hey did I meet you at the bar
       I never get cool mail like that. Mine are always from various Nigerian & Zimbabwean Ministers who want me to help them spirit vast sums of US dollars out of
       Oct 22, 2003 @ 23:35 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
12066. dam halts at de facto border as ukrainian dredge foils russian dozers
       http://tinyurl.com/rzo3
       Oct 23, 2003 @ 02:22 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12067. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Hey did I meet you at the bar
       Oh, those Nigerians! They always seem to call on me to save their millions for them. I have done so and made millions of dollars in the process.
       Oct 23, 2003 @ 03:57 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
12068. Re: Hey did I meet you at the bar
       a nigerian oil limo tailed delia to millionaire gina ... their millions ... process. ... Nigerian & ... sums of US ... shout ... name at this ... Service.
       Oct 23, 2003 @ 04:43 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12069. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Hey did I meet you at the bar
       Maybe we should invite her to meet us at Four Corners? ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product
       Oct 23, 2003 @ 06:45 - Asher Samuels (Asher Samuels <asher972@...>)
12070. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Moldova-Romania-Ukraine tripoint
       I will translate this article, but it takes me a ,lot of time
       Oct 23, 2003 @ 11:57 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@...>)
12071. Re: Moldova-Romania-Ukraine tripoint
       ... understood & appreciated so please dont go to any great lengths but just say what it is about in a nutshell or share any single highlight if you prefer &
       Oct 23, 2003 @ 13:35 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12072. MSNBC News Link: India, China in new talks to resolve border dispute
       income handler sent you this MSNBC News Link: Message: quiet cnin 6pack talks all day at new delhi but kerch djeret are hopping again this morning will phone
       Oct 23, 2003 @ 14:44 - moc.il@li.com (<moc.il@...>)
12073. Headline - Bombing comment no strait joke for Ukraine
       Greetings, et wants you to know about a story on www.theage.com.au Personal Message: all slapstick from here on out looks like leonid & igor really did stage
       Oct 23, 2003 @ 14:49 - et (et <moc.il@...>)
12074. dambuilders defy kremlin order to halt as pontoons block advance
       http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L2369374.htm
       Oct 23, 2003 @ 15:36 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12075. Re: Hey did I meet you at the bar
       yes indeed pal bella sarah delia & gina all & our whole multipointing family ... shout ... name ... http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
       Oct 23, 2003 @ 16:17 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12076. latest from kerch
       first pix & a confirmation dam advance has halted http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3208039.stm more recent & conflicting confirmation dam advance continues
       Oct 23, 2003 @ 19:35 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12077. Re: Hey did I meet you at the bar
       The Nigerian ex-colonel s son used to keep me informed about these valuable opportunities but that has dwindled. Then I got a rash of Viagra and
       Oct 23, 2003 @ 20:44 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
12078. Tell me what you want
       I want you to take advantage of me and treat me real naughty you can have your way with me any way you want lets chat some more at
       Oct 23, 2003 @ 22:02 - bella_drakes14 ("bella_drakes14" <bella_drakes14@...>)
12079. Re: Tell me what you want
       want you to be moderator but have treated you real naughty & suspended you for your meritoriously saucy impertinence
       Oct 23, 2003 @ 23:09 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12080. Re: Hey did I meet you at the bar
       kool word row look -MK, US postal code 01810
       Oct 24, 2003 @ 05:11 - Michael Kaufman ("Michael Kaufman" <mikekaufman79@...>)
12081. Guess What is New
       You can now get a free 3 Day membership without a credit card and be a part of live video chat Watch innocent girls get wild when they think no ones watching
       Oct 24, 2003 @ 15:02 - bella_drakes1 ("bella_drakes1" <bella_drakes1@...>)
12082. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Guess What is New
       Does spam know no boundaries? ... part of live video chat ... --
       Oct 24, 2003 @ 15:43 - John Kelly ("John Kelly" <johnkelly@...>)
12083. Re: Hey did I meet you at the bar
       pals slap my alter e guy with a remarkably big & rich one too indeed a coherent 9 word english sentence pal with a letter density of nearly 5 could well be
       Oct 24, 2003 @ 15:48 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12084. Iran-Iraq Border
       Hi all, an article from gulf news/Dubai. -- NEU FÜR ALLE - GMX MediaCenter - für Fotos, Musik, Dateien... Fotoalbum, File Sharing, MMS, Multimedia-Gruß, GMX
       Oct 24, 2003 @ 16:20 - udomet@gmx.de (udomet@gmx.de)
12085. BBC E-mail: Russia and Ukraine defuse row
       m saw this story on BBC News Online and thought you should see it. ** Russia and Ukraine defuse row ** Moscow and Kiev step back from confrontation over
       Oct 24, 2003 @ 16:29 - m (m <moc.il@...>)
12086. A Page From allAfrica.com
       ... SENDPAGE SERVICE -- ALLAFRICA.COM The following page link has been sent to you by one of our readers. AllAfrica offers this facility as a service to our
       Oct 24, 2003 @ 17:40 - moc.il@li.com (moc.il@...)
12087. MSNBC News Link: India, China to continue talks on border dispute
       m sent you this MSNBC News Link: ** India, China to continue talks on border dispute ** Top envoys of India and China, attempting to resolve a decades-old
       Oct 24, 2003 @ 16:50 - moc.il@li.com (<moc.il@...>)
12088. Iran-Iraq Border
       Hi all, an article from gulf news/Dubai. -- NEU FÜR ALLE - GMX MediaCenter - für Fotos, Musik, Dateien... Fotoalbum, File Sharing, MMS, Multimedia-Gruß, GMX
       Oct 24, 2003 @ 17:11 - udomet@gmx.de (udomet@gmx.de)
12089. Re: Guess What is New
       i keep bouncing her but she seems to like it ... card and be a ... watching at ... http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
       Oct 24, 2003 @ 17:15 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12090. http://www.grenzen.150m.com
       hello, contrary to what you might think, the site has not been closed, nor been deleted, it s just that the number of visitors and the amount of bandwith used
       Oct 24, 2003 @ 17:38 - kahbeh2000 ("kahbeh2000" <kahbeh@...>)
12091. Re: http://www.grenzen.150m.com
       hahahahaha very tastefully done maestro & we will surely be reminded to look for you again come the witching hour on halloween as well as promptly every new
       Oct 24, 2003 @ 18:33 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12092. diplomats at a loss as ethiopia assails judicial rebuttal
       http://allafrica.com/stories/200310240654.html & if anyone can find the mentioned statement of sir elihu lauterpacht please beam it up so we can judge for
       Oct 25, 2003 @ 00:39 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12093. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: new wrinkles dept
       & the recent news reports have placed the new de facto border about 100 meters east of the old de facto border & have indicated at least a tentative russian
       Oct 25, 2003 @ 15:17 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12094. Headline - Ukraine, Russia calm border row
       Greetings, m wants you to know about a story on www.theage.com.au Personal Message: this conflicting report puts dike end 109 meters from tuzla itself & states
       Oct 25, 2003 @ 16:08 - m (m <moc.il@...>)
12095. Re: http://www.grenzen.150m.com
       hallo, thanks. But it s the truth. For those who can t wait, I have up-loaded some future pictures into this group. They can be found in the Photos section.
       Oct 26, 2003 @ 07:11 - kahbeh2000 ("kahbeh2000" <kahbeh@...>)
12096. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Hey did I meet you at the bar
       Redrobed man: No spam. Maps on Nam-DE border. (if Canada and India can talk common borders, so can Vietnam and Germany ;-)) ...
       Oct 26, 2003 @ 07:16 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
12097. Re: Hey did I meet you at the bar
       hahahahaha he must be one of our straight cardinal pointing arrant bounders
       Oct 26, 2003 @ 18:34 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12098. new de facto ruua reportedly keeps moving about
       everyone agrees the advance of the dike has halted http://www.ukrweekly.com/Archive/2003/430301.shtml but the border shown by the soviets on the berkeley map
       Oct 26, 2003 @ 18:35 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12099. Re: [BoundaryPoint] new de facto ruua reportedly keeps moving about
       ... Heh, is Tuzla big enough to be sparsely populated ? Seems to me that any occupation of something so narrow (about 300m at its widest point) is at least
       Oct 26, 2003 @ 19:00 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
12100. Re: new de facto ruua reportedly keeps moving about
       the berkeley map we saw shows very few structures on tuzla in fact the largest & majority of them look rather more like old fortifications than dwellings for
       Oct 26, 2003 @ 21:37 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12101. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Guess What is New
       Ma, Dame E-Do retests; ET, erode e-madam!!! ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search
       Oct 27, 2003 @ 05:15 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
12102. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Is the Chinese Dragon smiling?
       China is not involved in the process of the annexation of Sikkim. You can read more more on how India used their methods to incorporate Sikkim into it s
       Oct 27, 2003 @ 08:09 - Chai Lim (=?iso-8859-1?q?Chai=20Lim?= <lusatia@...>)
12103. cdrwug in the news
       http://allafrica.com/stories/200310270005.html
       Oct 27, 2003 @ 18:18 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12104. Re: Is the Chinese Dragon smiling?
       yes & thanx for the clarification & indeed welcome to bp so it remains a question whether china actually will turn a blind eye to indian control of sikkim as
       Oct 27, 2003 @ 18:47 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12105. Re: Guess What is New
       do you mean et calls home from bp to report the porn spam to his mother & she gives him this instruction
       Oct 27, 2003 @ 18:58 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12106. de facto ruua position & one russian view
       http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2003/10/27/003.html states that the russian dike ends 320 meters from tuzla & gives us our fourth opinion & measurement
       Oct 27, 2003 @ 20:29 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12107. Re: [BoundaryPoint] de facto ruua position & one russian view
       Not only had the dike been growing rapidly up until the reported stopping of the work (with dump trucks dumping 24 hours per day), but the island itself is
       Oct 28, 2003 @ 01:18 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12108. Re: de facto ruua position & one russian view
       you are talking about more severe & more enduring changes than the few daily tidal fluctuations our 4 presumed witnesses saw over the few days in question even
       Oct 28, 2003 @ 15:13 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12109. 6 cnin tripoints officially acknowledged
       without mentioning sikkim this official chinese source today concedes there are 3 cnin borders http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2003-10/28/
       Oct 28, 2003 @ 15:35 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12110. Vennbahn in Yugoslavia
       When the US Forces drew maps on computers a few years ago to outline the borders between Croatia and divided Bosnia into it s two ethnic parts, details of what
       Oct 28, 2003 @ 17:44 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
12111. The tree that ate ARLATX
       Back in message 11281, I promised a reconnaissance of the ARLATX state tripoint in the fall, and Mike suggested in message 11289 that I use square, level, and
       Oct 28, 2003 @ 17:49 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@msn.com>)
12112. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Vennbahn in Yugoslavia
       Dear Len Great map. Will you tell where you got the map from and the scale? Jesper ... From: L. A. Nadybal To:
       Oct 28, 2003 @ 19:11 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12113. Re: [BoundaryPoint] The tree that ate ARLATX
       ... How old is the marker? -- Anton Sherwood, http://www.ogre.nu/
       Oct 28, 2003 @ 19:22 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
12114. Re: [BoundaryPoint] The tree that ate ARLATX
       The USC&GS brass disc stamped 1930 is set in the top of the older limestone monument, which both Parsell and Van Zandt say was set in 1895. Van Zandt says
       Oct 29, 2003 @ 00:54 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12115. RE: [BoundaryPoint] The tree that ate ARLATX
       For the benefit of those who haven t seen this monument before the root started shoving it, the attached photo shows the late Clark Hall on June 21, 1991 when
       Oct 29, 2003 @ 04:42 - jparsell ("jparsell" <jparsell@northnet.org>)
12116. Re: [BoundaryPoint] The tree that ate ARLATX
       ... large ... Now, with the information from Van Zandt that the monument is 48 inches long and my measurement of a six-degree tilt, I can calculate that the
       Oct 29, 2003 @ 06:13 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12117. Pic from last expedition to DeDk border
       Dear borderfreaks - attached pls find a picture from the most recent border expedition to the DK-DE border...Oct. 22, 03. From le. to ri.: Carsten (new
       Oct 29, 2003 @ 10:51 - Peter Hering (Peter Hering <hering@mail.dk>)
12118. Border agreement between Tajikistan and China
       Hello! About two years ago there was a border agreement between Tajikistan and China about 1000sqkm which will go over to China. There are no infos about where
       Oct 29, 2003 @ 13:38 - Markus Hauser (Markus Hauser <pamirmountains@...>)
12119. Re: The tree that ate ARLATX
       thanx & nicely done lowell & i would just like to add or reiterate the data & considerations in messages 11300 & 11303 & to congratulate you for showing a
       Oct 29, 2003 @ 16:08 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12120. djeret news
       american diplomat has shuttled from addis ababa to asmara & ethiopia indicates she wants about 800 meters at badme
       Oct 29, 2003 @ 18:01 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12121. new countercharges at kerch strait
       http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2003/10/29/016.html ukraine claims russian dike damages environment while russia claims ukraine has failed to withdraw
       Oct 29, 2003 @ 18:20 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12122. re mason dixon preliminary points
       please see below for an addition to the following excerpts from message 10452 about how mason & dixon got to their mdpa starting point the ref is to a book by
       Oct 29, 2003 @ 19:01 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12123. RE: [BoundaryPoint] re mason dixon preliminary points
       I got my copy of the book through Amazon ... From: m06079 [mailto:barbaria_longa@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 12:01 PM To:
       Oct 29, 2003 @ 19:08 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
12124. RE: [BoundaryPoint] re mason dixon preliminary points
       As I recall, you re correct that the Post Mark d West is *not* to same as PADEMD. It was a reference point that established the latitude for the west line. The
       Oct 29, 2003 @ 19:14 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
12125. Re: re mason dixon preliminary points
       yes thanx & upon further study of the data for the 2nd preliminary point or stargazers stone being 15 miles due north of the 3rd preliminary point or post
       Oct 29, 2003 @ 19:45 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12126. Re: re mason dixon preliminary points
       ... & there is more to this story than meets the eye too the depa arc as it exists today is actually 2 different arcs with 2 slightly different centers & 2
       Oct 30, 2003 @ 01:58 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12127. Re: [BoundaryPoint] re mason dixon preliminary points
       ... Not a book by Mark Monmonier by the same title? :P -- Anton Sherwood, http://www.ogre.nu/
       Oct 30, 2003 @ 05:08 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
12128. Re: re mason dixon preliminary points
       The bottom photo on this page shows the paleotrifinium: http://www.bjbsoftware.com/corners/pointdetail.php3?point=24 BJB ... same as ... the west ... *not* ...
       Oct 30, 2003 @ 16:50 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
12129. Boundaries through urban areas
       I have been busy lately, so I didn t get to respond to somebody who showed a map of a boundary going through an urban area. I have some comments and anecdotes
       Oct 30, 2003 @ 17:49 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
12130. Re: re mason dixon preliminary points
       good stuff tho as previously mentioned the depa arc is actually 2 different arcs & the prismatic stone within the dupont compound or what you are calling the
       Oct 30, 2003 @ 18:23 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12131. Re: Boundaries through urban areas
       ... It might be the little enclave NE of Im Ulenbusch street. See http://stadtplan.hamburg.de/index.jsp and search for that street. Peter S.
       Oct 30, 2003 @ 18:24 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
12132. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: re mason dixon preliminary points
       I had thought that the original Post Mark d West was not only in place, but was publicly accessible and marked on some maps. I will try to dig up the forum in
       Oct 30, 2003 @ 18:37 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
12133. Re: Boundaries through urban areas -> HH enclaves
       Another one according to this map ( http://stadtplan.hamburg.de/index.jsp ): try street name Hoopredder. Peter S.
       Oct 30, 2003 @ 18:48 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
12134. Re: re mason dixon preliminary points
       thanx please do in the meantime by measurement i get a position approximately at the junction of fox den road & delaware state highway 72 just northeast of
       Oct 30, 2003 @ 18:50 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12135. best of kerch today
       http://english.pravda.ru/main/18/88/354/11182_kerch.html http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3227947.stm
       Oct 30, 2003 @ 18:59 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12136. BBC E-mail: Horn peacekeepers feel the heat
       m saw this story on BBC News Online and thought you should see it. ** Message ** some details about the pointers who have actually been standing by for the
       Oct 30, 2003 @ 19:07 - m (m <moc.il@...>)
12137. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Boundaries through urban areas
       Apart from 1st level county borders that Copenhagen surburbs expand, beyound there is only one 1st level divided town: Foldingbro (Sønderjylland (old North
       Oct 30, 2003 @ 19:44 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
12138. Re: Boundaries through urban areas
       Another place people might look is in Kansas City, MO-KS. The border is a straight line right through town. There s a State Line Rd., but it doesn t stretch
       Oct 30, 2003 @ 20:21 - adamnvillani ("adamnvillani" <avillani@...>)
12139. Re: best of kerch today
       this is better http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2003/10/30/009.html but it is looking like ukraine really has russia by the toe here & russia has no real
       Oct 30, 2003 @ 20:47 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12140. Divided building
       Attached (and also at www.mexlist.com/bp/tavern.jpg ) is a photo of the State Line Tavern on US 59/270 in the Ouachita Mountains. The boundary is half way
       Oct 30, 2003 @ 22:02 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@msn.com>)
12141. African border markers
       From Michael Palin s Sahara series 52+55 show an Algerian-Niger border marker 59 shows an Algerian-Libyan border marker Jesper
       Oct 30, 2003 @ 22:16 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
12142. Re: re mason dixon preliminary points
       Thanks for reminding me, Mike. Some day I really will correct the text :) BJB
       Oct 30, 2003 @ 22:55 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
12143. Re: re mason dixon preliminary points
       thanx & message 644 is full of relevant stuff about this for your & kevins info too
       Oct 31, 2003 @ 01:07 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12144. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Guess What is New --> tp marker points
       Close. What I meant was me complaining to my own mother out of frustration, and then me instructing you to eliminate the spamming seductress. But, I like
       Oct 31, 2003 @ 01:50 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
12145. Re: re mason dixon preliminary points
       oops topozone has been cranky lately so here is the same point shown by terraserver where the 2 sweeps of the depa arc mentioned in message 644 imperceptibly
       Oct 31, 2003 @ 01:52 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12146. Re: Guess What is New --> tp marker points
       if you are talking about massachusetts there was indeed a huge atlas published for each county circa 1900 in which all the town lines & markers within that
       Oct 31, 2003 @ 02:10 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12147. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: re mason dixon preliminary points
       What is the history on multiple arc designations? I always though there was only the single 12-mile radius arc from the old courthouse cupola in New Castle (to
       Oct 31, 2003 @ 02:33 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
12148. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Guess What is New --> tp marker points
       ... The dimple! It was likely put there by the surveyor using a hammer and die to mark the exact point on the disc where the point of the plumb bob hanging
       Oct 31, 2003 @ 04:02 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12149. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Boundaries through urban areas -> HH enclaves
       ... Call me stupid, I can t see anything in this map that looks like a boundary. -- Anton Sherwood, http://www.ogre.nu/
       Oct 31, 2003 @ 05:35 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
12150. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Boundaries through urban areas -> HH enclaves
       Neither can I, but I will keep on looking closer, Anton. -- Jim Smith (JWAS), Mississauga, Ontario, Canada ... From: Anton Sherwood [mailto:bronto@pobox.com]
       Oct 31, 2003 @ 05:45 - Jim Smith ("Jim Smith" <jwas@...>)
12151. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Boundaries through urban areas -> HH enclaves
       The border is the very broad grey line that goes on the north side of Hoopredder. Just east of Hoopwischen 46 is a enclave. Jesper ... From: Anton Sherwood
       Oct 31, 2003 @ 05:46 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12152. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Boundaries through urban areas -> HH enclaves
       Ah! The reference was incomplete. Okay. http://stadtplan.hamburg.de/search.jsp;jsessionid=ep1fxyzhg1 -- Anton Sherwood, http://www.ogre.nu/
       Oct 31, 2003 @ 06:27 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
12153. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Boundaries through urban areas
       ... In 1977-9 I worked in the library at uiuc.edu, which - according to some but not all maps! - straddles Urbana and Champaign. I liked to think that I
       Oct 31, 2003 @ 06:33 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
12154. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Boundaries through urban areas
       ... The CERN high-energy physics laboratory (Meyrin site) straddles the CH-FR border near Geneva. About half the site is in France, although all the entrances
       Oct 31, 2003 @ 09:22 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
12155. Re: Boundaries through urban areas
       ... exist, I ... visited :-( & fortunately any imagined multiple misfortune or regret or unsmiley has nothing to do with multipointing or any other form of
       Oct 31, 2003 @ 16:26 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12156. Re: re mason dixon preliminary points
       it is very complex there is more in message 614 but i have since ascertained that owing to all the various & accumulated historical reasons dating from the
       Oct 31, 2003 @ 16:45 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12157. Re: Guess What is New --> tp marker points
       & more likely & especially in recent centuries any dimple or crosshairs etc was already scribed at the exact center of the monument or disc by the manufacturer
       Oct 31, 2003 @ 16:58 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12158. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Boundaries through urban areas
       In southern New Jersey s Gloucester County, there is a small borough called National Park, on the banks of the Delaware River, surrounded by the incorporated
       Oct 31, 2003 @ 17:20 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
12159. special to jack & company
       as requested i think i can now predict i actually will be heading for mdvawv some time in the next month or 2 & will be including the 3 mason dixon preliminary
       Oct 31, 2003 @ 17:28 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12160. Re: Boundaries through urban areas
       This cafetaria that is supposedly divided, was it underground? None of the structures that show up on the Geneva map sites cross the border. I know the
       Oct 31, 2003 @ 17:48 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
12161. ruua kerch talks put off a week & down a level
       http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2003-10/31/content_1153312.htm
       Oct 31, 2003 @ 17:49 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12162. Re: Boundaries through urban areas
       yikes all this talk of buildings on borders just made me realize there is actually an entire tripoint under a single roof somewhere i know because i have been
       Oct 31, 2003 @ 18:10 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12163. Re: Boundaries through urban areas
       not talking about stuff like the dome of the capital covering the quadridivisional point of dc etc etc but something on a higher level
       Oct 31, 2003 @ 18:13 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12164. Switzerland-Liechtenstein
       Hi BoundaryPointers I am looking through the new Lonely Planet guide to Switzerland (published July 2003) and two maps of the Switzerland-Liechtenstein border
       Oct 31, 2003 @ 21:34 - Craig ("Craig" <trehala@...>)
12165. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Guess What is New --> tp marker points
       Oops...I didnt explain myself real well. What I meant to say was that according to my memory, there was a dimple and a disc - in different places on the
       Oct 31, 2003 @ 22:35 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
12166. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Guess What is New --> tp marker points
       Ok, with my last post in mind... The disc is not at the center of the marker (it is really quite far off from center). Note: the disc says Essex County
       Oct 31, 2003 @ 22:44 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
12167. Re: Guess What is New --> tp marker points
       what is there in the middle of the disc then if not a dimple
       Oct 31, 2003 @ 22:44 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12168. Re: Switzerland-Liechtenstein
       hi nice question message 2655 pretty much settles it with eye witness accounts ... Switzerland ... Switzerland-Liechtenstein ... map as ... the ...
       Oct 31, 2003 @ 23:01 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12169. Re: Guess What is New --> tp marker points
       ahh in that case i think what you probably have there is an older undimpled tri town monument on which the position of the tripoint can nevertheless still be
       Oct 31, 2003 @ 23:27 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12170. Re: Guess What is New --> tp marker points
       the massachusetts town line monument atlases i mentioned were published by the state board of harbor & land commissioners in boston & should still at least be
       Oct 31, 2003 @ 23:39 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12171. manh border closed for halloween in essex county
       http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2003/10/24/trick_or_treat_and_your_papers_please _________________________________________________________________
       Nov 01, 2003 @ 00:14 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12172. Re: [BoundaryPoint] African border markers
       nice shooting in a sandstorm & gotta love the freeform handscrawled home made ones too but funny that this comedian goes so far & yet bounds right past the
       Nov 01, 2003 @ 01:04 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12173. djeret & eretsd tries etc formally suspended
       http://www.news24.com/News24/Africa/News/0,6119,2-11-1447 _1438721,00.html so eret remains indefinitely a de facto frontier from end to end putatively 6
       Nov 01, 2003 @ 01:48 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12174. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Switzerland-Liechtenstein
       ... For those who d rather not poke through three or four intermediate pages to find it, that s http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/2655 .
       Nov 01, 2003 @ 02:42 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
12175. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Boundaries through urban areas
       ... Is there a building at the multipoint of Antarctic claims? -- Anton Sherwood, http://www.ogre.nu/
       Nov 01, 2003 @ 03:06 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
12176. Re: [BoundaryPoint] African border markers
       Damn shame we (or at least I) can t tell which side is which (Algeria/Nigeria) in 0055...seems like same writing on both sides of monument... ...
       Nov 01, 2003 @ 04:36 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
12177. Re: [BoundaryPoint] manh border closed for halloween in essex county
       Ha! Good to see he backed down at least. Though I m not sure trick-or-treating by car is a good idea anywhere. ...
       Nov 01, 2003 @ 04:50 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
12178. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Boundaries through urban areas
       Sweet. I went to college at Tufts University in Medford/Somerville, MA. The library there is also divided between the two towns. Also, Haskell Free Library
       Nov 01, 2003 @ 05:34 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
12179. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Boundaries through urban areas
       I visited the divided structure on the Copenhagen City-Copenhagen County lines yesterday comming from work, but there is nothing there. It s definately not an
       Nov 01, 2003 @ 09:54 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12180. Re: Boundaries through urban areas
       ... It doesn t look like it. http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/islands_oceans_poles/southpole.jpg Peter S.
       Nov 01, 2003 @ 11:37 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
12181. Re: Switzerland-Liechtenstein
       Hi. Are the graphics in the publications showing a colored line adjacent to the actual border indicator (usually black -.-.-.-.-.) kind of affair? A map drawn
       Nov 01, 2003 @ 14:35 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
12182. Re: Boundaries through urban areas
       just to review what we think we know about this former multipoint until 1959 when all antarctic claims were suspended & frozen by the claimants themselves &
       Nov 01, 2003 @ 15:09 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12183. Re: Boundaries through urban areas
       search & enjoy real success is when your compass gets stuck on happy no matter what you may or may not find & now we have a whole new rarity or nullity to look
       Nov 01, 2003 @ 15:28 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12184. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Switzerland-Liechtenstein
       thanx i just found this in my email & can really appreciate your new service from here whereas i usually hang out on the message board where just changing the
       Nov 01, 2003 @ 17:00 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12185. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Boundaries through urban areas
       The railway station building Bayerisch Eisenstein is divided Bayerisch-Eisenstein(Germany/Bavaria)-Zelezna Ruda/Markt Eisenstein (CZ). It was built approximate
       Nov 01, 2003 @ 17:16 - udomet@gmx.de (udomet@...)
12186. kerch of the day
       more flounder http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2003-10/31/content_1153312 .htm
       Nov 01, 2003 @ 17:28 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12187. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Boundaries through urban areas
       There are some tri-point possibilities here in Vancouver and surrounding areas: Check out the centre map:
       Nov 01, 2003 @ 18:01 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
12188. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Boundaries through urban areas
       Nice map Doug. Pity about all these wet tp! Go for the dry ones? Are there further divisions? Jesper ... From: Doug Murray To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
       Nov 01, 2003 @ 18:58 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12189. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Boundaries through urban areas
       Yes, nice to discover new things (and to read posting from you where you wrote understandable language). A colleagues informed me of a postal district enclave
       Nov 01, 2003 @ 19:02 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12190. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Boundaries through urban areas
       There are some interesting points in the river where certain islands are Indian land. I m still trying to find a good paper map that shows some detail. I
       Nov 01, 2003 @ 19:05 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
12191. RE: [BoundaryPoint] special to jack & company
       Michael, my answer is yes, but. Yes I am interested in going to mdvawv but I don t think there is much of a chance of finding anywhere near low water
       Nov 02, 2003 @ 01:18 - jparsell ("jparsell" <jparsell@...>)
12192. Re: Boundaries through urban areas
       haha & now i am the one with no idea what you guys are talking about hahaha but it strikes me as a great spoof of real try pointing i will tell you seriously
       Nov 02, 2003 @ 01:38 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12193. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Boundaries through urban areas
       ... Tunnels should qualify. We have two railway tunnels and one highway tunnel under the CAUS boundary, and one railway tunnel under the MXUS boundary. Of
       Nov 02, 2003 @ 02:47 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12194. Re: [BoundaryPoint] special to jack & company
       ... Your tax money at work: http://www.erh.noaa.gov/marfc/potomac.htm Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA
       Nov 02, 2003 @ 03:21 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12195. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Boundaries through urban areas
       Don t know what it is, but it may not be for long... Austria-Hungary-Slovakia may build an amusement park on the tp, with a building encompassing the tp. see:
       Nov 02, 2003 @ 06:33 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
12196. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Boundaries through urban areas
       Oh yes...looking closely at http://www.architectstudent.net/main.asp?page=portfolios&action=detail&id=3636 one can see many tiny TP pictures in black and white
       Nov 02, 2003 @ 06:45 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
12197. Re: [BoundaryPoint] special to jack & company
       Mike, Having seen the maps I wish you the best of luck in this endeavor, and look forward to seeing photos. BTW, has anyone else been inspired by the Delaware
       Nov 02, 2003 @ 06:53 - Asher Samuels (Asher Samuels <asher972@...>)
12198. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Boundaries through urban areas
       Mike That s for sure Peter! And Harry s KETZ (http://leden.tref.nl/~veenhh/borderland/wereld/ke-tz.htm) Cannot spot any of mine.... Jesper ... From: Michael
       Nov 02, 2003 @ 10:39 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12199. Re: Boundaries through urban areas
       mine neither anyway this covered tripoint is in the future maybe still stuck on happy tho ... (http://leden.tref.nl/~veenhh/borderland/wereld/ke-tz.htm) ...
       Nov 02, 2003 @ 13:15 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12200. Re: special to jack & company
       thanx good pointing buddy & you know you will be with us too & i raced thru pynchon last week while searching for evidence of the 3 mason dixon preliminary
       Nov 02, 2003 @ 13:32 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12201. Re: Boundaries through urban areas
       ... highway tunnel ... MXUS boundary. Of ... and Andes. ... there. ... for. ... yes jesper & lowell & the next step in this staged dilution & aeration &
       Nov 02, 2003 @ 13:43 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12202. worlds only known major undercover tripoint
       ok so for your continued titillation here is a pic not of the tripoint enclosure itself so much as the tripoint position beneath it with the point being made
       Nov 02, 2003 @ 14:12 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@hotmail.com>)
12203. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Boundaries through urban areas
       you are right. end of discussion jesper ... From: acroorca2002 To: Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 2:43 PM
       Nov 02, 2003 @ 14:34 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12204. Re: Boundaries through urban areas
       thanx & i dont mean to squelch anything since trying to stop anything only promotes it anyway but i did mean as always to review everything presented here as
       Nov 02, 2003 @ 16:31 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12205. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Boundaries through urban areas
       Very interesting concept. Perhaps Janka is also a borderfreak? I agree with Mike about the uniqueness of this TP. I have been there twice, and it is without
       Nov 02, 2003 @ 17:43 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
12206. Re: Boundaries through urban areas -> HH enclaves
       Search for Suchbegriff eingeben and type Hoopredder . ... Hoopredder. ... Service.
       Nov 02, 2003 @ 19:13 - P. Joost Lemmens ("P. Joost Lemmens" <joostik@...>)
12207. Re: Boundaries through urban areas
       ... borderfreak? ... know where ... well you can because this event reportedly occurred much nearer to athusk than say to athusi look between the hungarian
       Nov 02, 2003 @ 21:46 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12208. Re: Boundaries through urban areas
       thats not what he meant silly he meant the first snip of the barbed wire made by gyula horn on 27 june 89 in a wood near klingenbach & thats a good 10km
       Nov 02, 2003 @ 22:46 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12209. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Boundaries through urban areas
       Hi, I visited the site of the pinic few years ago and I took pictures of the border. There is a small monument there. Nicholas ...
       Nov 03, 2003 @ 16:24 - Nicholas Cretu (Nicholas Cretu <nickjc001us@...>)
12210. Re: Boundaries through urban areas
       In addition to Kansas City and Wash DC, Bristol TN/VA is another urbanized state border, I believe I ve read some interesting posts on here about the bizarre
       Nov 03, 2003 @ 16:58 - dcupopelilly ("dcupopelilly" <ronkessler@...>)
12211. Re: Boundaries through urban areas
       hi & thanx nicholas & ron too & lets see this monumental border monument if you can & would beam it up to us & i am glad this thread title continues unchanged
       Nov 03, 2003 @ 17:10 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12212. IQSYTR+IQIRTR
       Possible tripoint island at IQSYTR: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/EART/iraq/200k/J38_25.jpg IQIRTR: Possible spring tp:
       Nov 03, 2003 @ 21:16 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12213. Re: NJNY
       flemington nj the following message 11992 was the point of origin of the huge & various boundaries thru urban areas message tree that began with message 12129
       Nov 03, 2003 @ 22:15 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12214. Re: IQSYTR+IQIRTR
       ... bravo it looks plausible from here & could be unique in the world springs are highly unlikely on ridge lines tho
       Nov 03, 2003 @ 22:18 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12215. Re: [BoundaryPoint] IQSYTR+IQIRTR
       Excellent eye, Jesper! ... ... Doug Murray Productions - Border Films POV Sports - The X 1211 Cotton Drive Vancouver BC Canada 1.604.728.1407
       Nov 04, 2003 @ 00:51 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
12216. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: NJNY
       The pavement might not always change on a border, but some other clues to tell that you have found an urban border are: speed limit changes street numbers have
       Nov 04, 2003 @ 07:46 - Asher Samuels (Asher Samuels <asher972@...>)
12217. Re: NJNY
       there was one sign that said not welcome to west mahwah or nj etc etc but this isnt suffern anymore so please lift the damn plow blade already or something to
       Nov 04, 2003 @ 14:38 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12218. mason dixon point of beginning continued
       reached the famous corner of south & second streets in philadelphia last night & scoured all the building facades along the south side of south street in both
       Nov 04, 2003 @ 15:25 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12219. mason dixon point of origin continued
       coatesville pa careful measurement of 175 feet east along the south street building line from the building line of second street left me in the middle of
       Nov 04, 2003 @ 18:04 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12220. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: NJNY
       ... Assuming this has something to do with snow plowing (which has always been a deep mystery to me), can some of you up in The Nawth please explain it? I
       Nov 04, 2003 @ 18:06 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12221. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Boundaries through urban areas
       nice http://topozone.com/map.asp?z=15&n=4574535&e=255355&s=100&size=m&datum=nad83&layer=DRG25 ...
       Nov 04, 2003 @ 18:55 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
12222. Re: [BoundaryPoint] mason dixon point of beginning continued
       If Messrs. Mason and Dixon were seeking the southernmost point of the city, why would they use the north wall of the southernmost house and not the south wall
       Nov 04, 2003 @ 18:56 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12223. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Boundaries through urban areas
       Nice one Just wait untill Iowa wan t to be independant. Jesper ... From: Michael Kaufman To: Sent:
       Nov 04, 2003 @ 20:15 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12224. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: NJNY
       ... the ... nickel? If done improperly, it can really tear up a street pretty quickly. That s my guess. Chuck Doolittle, N1SPX http://train.hamlink.org/
       Nov 04, 2003 @ 20:11 - Chuck Doolittle ("Chuck Doolittle" <yahoo@...>)
12225. No evidence border policing has stopped terrorists
       The following headline and link were emailed to you by doug@borderfilms.com on Tuesday, November 4, 2003 at 18:17:03 from thedesertsun.com, the Web site of The
       Nov 04, 2003 @ 18:17 - doug@dougmurrayproductions.com (doug@...)
12226. a new book
       A new book of interest to our German readers? ... Brendan A new book of interest to our German readers? Stoklosa, Katarzyna, (2003), Grenzstädte in
       Nov 04, 2003 @ 22:18 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
12227. Re: mason dixon point of beginning continued
       kennett square pa because the city limits ended on the south side of south street & didnt include the buildings on that side ... the city, why ... south wall
       Nov 04, 2003 @ 22:52 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12228. more success
       great visit to the stargazers stone & mason dixon house today all very photogenic at last wished i had a camera & soon met a lovely lady there who gave me her
       Nov 04, 2003 @ 23:07 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12229. miscellaneous star gazings
       kennett square pa unlike the objects of my first 2 stops the stargazers stone turned out to be a rare & photogenic beauty & for the first time i really wished
       Nov 04, 2003 @ 22:47 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12230. Re: Boundaries through urban areas
       the missouri & mississippi rivers have many of these & of course all rivers tend to do this sort of thing to some extent but it is just that these particular
       Nov 04, 2003 @ 23:57 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12231. Re: [BoundaryPoint] a new book
       Nimmt meinen Dank... kw ... From: Brendan Whyte To: boundarypoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 2:18 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] a new book
       Nov 05, 2003 @ 00:45 - Carl Schubbe ("Carl Schubbe" <turtle5003@...>)
12232. Nimmt meinen Dank??? Was: Re: a new book
       Help me, Carl. Even my German wife couldn t figure out what that meant. Nimm meinen perhaps? (take mine, thanks). Or, Nehm (accept) my thanks , or? LN ...
       Nov 05, 2003 @ 02:10 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
12233. Mellila
       In the Washington Post yesterday, where was a long and interesting feature article in the international section about Moroccans, especially young women making
       Nov 05, 2003 @ 02:18 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
12234. Büsingen
       I just received a book published by the town of Büsingen that it issued in 1990 to commemorate the town s 900th anniversary. I created a Büsingen album in
       Nov 05, 2003 @ 02:53 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
12235. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: mason dixon point of beginning continued
       Okay, thanks! I had no idea that they had legally defined city limits then. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: acroorca2002
       Nov 05, 2003 @ 03:11 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12236. RE: [BoundaryPoint] miscellaneous star gazings
       M ike, Your statement implies that the Lenape Indians had established this boundary before the arrival of the settlers. Who was on the other side of the line
       Nov 05, 2003 @ 03:24 - jparsell ("jparsell" <jparsell@...>)
12237. Re: [BoundaryPoint] miscellaneous star gazings
       ... While it wasn t a stone, I can tell you about an American Indian boundary monument. In 1699, when Pierre le Moyne, Sieur d Iberville was exploring the
       Nov 05, 2003 @ 03:31 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12238. RE: [BoundaryPoint] miscellaneous star gazings
       Might be that it was not the Lenape setting themselves off, but the settlers drawing the line for them.... ... From: jparsell [mailto:jparsell@northnet.org]
       Nov 05, 2003 @ 03:36 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
12239. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Boundaries through urban areas
       The MI-IN border runs between South Bend IN and Niles MI. In some ways, they re one urban center. Many people live in one city and shop or work in the other.
       Nov 05, 2003 @ 05:00 - Tom (Tom <hilversum96@...>)
12240. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Nimmt meinen Dank??? Was: Re: a new book
       Nehm.... sorry....I was listening to Mozart and not staying focused. I read better than I write....... karl ... From: L. A. Nadybal To:
       Nov 05, 2003 @ 06:17 - Carl Schubbe ("Carl Schubbe" <turtle5003@...>)
12241. Nimmt meinen Dank??? Was: Re: a new book
       hahahaha my guess was not me please hahahahaha & since all presenters in nonenglish are heartily encouraged to give all the rest of us at least a clue is this
       Nov 05, 2003 @ 14:27 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12242. Re: Boundaries through urban areas
       you get a free pass tom for the chicks
       Nov 05, 2003 @ 14:30 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12243. Re: miscellaneous star gazings
       good point i thought of that too & cant settle it the plaque was written from the viewpoint of the indians & even gave the indian name for the brandywine etc
       Nov 05, 2003 @ 14:46 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12244. this place makes me dizzy
       everything is a little out of whack here but they call it & ken it square anyway http://test.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=39.84667&lon=-75.71194 more fun in the
       Nov 05, 2003 @ 15:15 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12245. Re: Boundaries through urban areas
       correction there are still dozens of bits of texas & dozens of bits of arkansas on the wrong side of the red river
       Nov 05, 2003 @ 16:09 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12246. Re: Boundaries through urban areas
       ... arkansas ... me ... & ... discussed ... ... extent ... in ... new ...
       Nov 05, 2003 @ 17:17 - voit1 ("voit1" <voit1@...>)
12247. Oklahoma / Texas Border - River Borders
       The Texas border stops at the southern edge of the Red River. I have heard conflicting information about the start of the Oklahoma border. I have heard
       Nov 05, 2003 @ 17:38 - voit1 ("voit1" <voit1@...>)
12248. Shortest County Border
       Not too long ago there was an extended discussion about the shortest international border. While doing some mapping in connection with my county highpointing
       Nov 05, 2003 @ 17:43 - spookymike@aol.com (spookymike@...)
12249. Re: Shortest County Border
       nice ones mike so we are looking for an unknown longest county line & something shorter than 400 feet but longer than zero yoicks & yeehaw ... my county ...
       Nov 05, 2003 @ 18:09 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12250. Re: Oklahoma / Texas Border - River Borders
       ... yes odd nothing like that at the time of my visit to aroktx if that is the point you are focussing on & please see messages 11383 & 9759 ... it is
       Nov 05, 2003 @ 18:13 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12251. Re: Boundaries through urban areas
       ... wooded ... rivers ... http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/NaturalHazards/Archive/Oct2003/Calif ... I ... oops & thanx that is a fantastic detail & topozone is
       Nov 05, 2003 @ 18:27 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12252. dizzy in the fog today
       hockessin de was trying to find my way back to the depa arc intersection rock thru still more dreamscapes of brandywine horse country when i stumbled on this
       Nov 05, 2003 @ 18:47 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12253. Re: dizzy in the fog today
       yikes i missed it in the fog & drove another 5 miles too far so i just drove back with a map along the same route i had just correctly divined without one &
       Nov 05, 2003 @ 20:23 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12254. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Oklahoma / Texas Border - River Borders
       Many examples: MDVA, in which MD controls the Potomac up to the VA shoreline; KYOH, WVOH, KYIN, KYIL, DENJ ... From: voit1 [mailto:voit1@airmail.net] Sent:
       Nov 05, 2003 @ 21:02 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
12255. newark de
       proceeded without additional findings from hockessin library & as directly as possible this time to the anticipated position of the original post marked west &
       Nov 05, 2003 @ 23:24 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12256. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Oklahoma / Texas Border - River Borders
       Here s the latest on the OKTX boundary, of which some are apparently unaware: The boundary was drastically rectified and permanently established in the Red
       Nov 06, 2003 @ 00:26 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12257. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Shortest County Border
       Right off the top of my head, I d venture to say that the longest one is bound to be in Alaska--if you consider Alaskan boroughs as county equivalents. Lowell
       Nov 06, 2003 @ 00:29 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12258. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Oklahoma / Texas Border - River Borders
       SO the compact overrides all of the boundary lines we see on dry land on Topozone, including the old meanders. and substitutes a living, moving boundary?
       Nov 06, 2003 @ 00:42 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
12259. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Oklahoma / Texas Border - River Borders
       NH-VT, et al ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree
       Nov 06, 2003 @ 01:12 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
12260. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Oklahoma / Texas Border - River Borders
       Yes! The compact sends cartographers back to the drawing boards with their erasers in hand. A well-trained monkey could now find the OKTX boundary on a
       Nov 06, 2003 @ 01:28 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12261. map of fucking
       did we see this before? regards, chris
       Nov 06, 2003 @ 01:48 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@gmx.de>)
12262. Oklahoma panhandle and Missouri boot heel
       My students are always asking about the origins of both the Oklahoma panhandle and Missouri s boot hell. Can anyone help me out Doug Sheer Garden City High
       Nov 06, 2003 @ 03:58 - DougS78864@aol.com (DougS78864@...)
12263. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Shortest County Border
       Mike, In my research on quad-county points the shortest one I have found is an interstate one. Brookings and Moody, SD and Lincoln and Pipestone, MN. Coming
       Nov 06, 2003 @ 04:08 - jparsell ("jparsell" <jparsell@northnet.org>)
12264. Re: [BoundaryPoint] map of fucking
       http://www.boners.com/grub/789105.html ... --
       Nov 06, 2003 @ 05:37 - John Kelly ("John Kelly" <johnkelly@...>)
12265. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Boundaries through urban areas
       ... There are two courthouses athwart the state boundary in Texarkana. One is the famous US Post Office and Federal Courthouse. The state boundary presents
       Nov 06, 2003 @ 06:23 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12266. Re: [BoundaryPoint] map of fucking
       You can get more Fucking details and a bit of Fucking history at http://www.snopes.com/photos/austria.asp . Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ...
       Nov 06, 2003 @ 06:32 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12267. Re: map of fucking
       while fucking off in austria you can visit rottenegg too but even so you would still need a third to multiply ... http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
       Nov 06, 2003 @ 15:18 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12268. Re: Boundaries through urban areas
       good thanx much that is a confirmed singularity & my question of course is about the actual shape & dimensions of the condo territory & the positions of the 2
       Nov 06, 2003 @ 15:22 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12269. Re: Shortest County Border
       ... is an ... line road ... curve down. ... is an 80 ... 27 10 ... even ... of the ... good & i have actually discovered & visited a few of these in iowa &
       Nov 06, 2003 @ 15:27 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12270. Re: Oklahoma panhandle and Missouri boot heel
       yes i am sure several of us can help but do you know the usgs publication boundaries of the united states & the several states i guarantee you & they will love
       Nov 06, 2003 @ 15:33 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12271. Re: Oklahoma / Texas Border - River Borders
       ... with their ... boundary on a ... & i hope you will train him to take short cuts or he might never finish his job but we have been here before perhaps
       Nov 06, 2003 @ 16:04 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12272. Re: Oklahoma / Texas Border - River Borders
       the full dozen were given in message 11897
       Nov 06, 2003 @ 16:08 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12273. post marked west found
       university of delaware library returned to white clay creek state park at dawn today for the continuation of the m&d point of origin try & soon found the
       Nov 06, 2003 @ 16:56 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12274. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Boundaries through urban areas
       ... I knew that was coming! :-) I ll research it and get back to you. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA
       Nov 06, 2003 @ 15:35 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12275. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Oklahoma / Texas Border - River Borders
       CORRECTION ... the ... Of course, I know that it s Lake Texoma, not Lake Tacoma, but my spell-checker didn t! Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA
       Nov 06, 2003 @ 16:22 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12276. Re: Oklahoma / Texas Border - River Borders
       I m a bit puzzled by the term vegetation line. If somebody clears away the plants on their property on the south side of the river, does that change the
       Nov 06, 2003 @ 17:30 - adamnvillani ("adamnvillani" <avillani@...>)
12277. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Oklahoma / Texas Border - River Borders
       You are correct that the compact s OKTX does require a lurch or stitch to reach the AROKTX tripoint, but I would argue the matter this way: The southern
       Nov 06, 2003 @ 17:44 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12278. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Oklahoma / Texas Border - River Borders
       Make that at least a baker s dozen by the addition of ALGA. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: acroorca2002 To:
       Nov 06, 2003 @ 17:48 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12279. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Oklahoma / Texas Border - River Borders
       Adam, The compact itself answers your questions thus: __________ 1. Vegetation means trees, shrubs, grasses, and other plant species that substantially
       Nov 06, 2003 @ 18:23 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12280. Re: Oklahoma / Texas Border - River Borders
       alga was already mentioned & meant in the first dozen i dont think there actually are 13 such cases in the usa ... http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
       Nov 06, 2003 @ 20:46 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12281. Re: Oklahoma / Texas Border - River Borders
       ahh well now on further reflection i think this was not correct & that we actually have a virgin tripoint position here for since ok now reaches the right bank
       Nov 06, 2003 @ 21:24 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12282. Re: Oklahoma panhandle and Missouri boot heel
       westminster md & i have the book in front of me now but only 8 minutes anyway the ok panhandle was a public land strip formerly part of texas which was simply
       Nov 06, 2003 @ 21:35 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12283. Re: Oklahoma / Texas Border - River Borders
       no no thats all wrong the tripoint hasnt moved & is still wet my blunder ooooops & i was right the first time the extralegal stitch must be of oktx & not arok
       Nov 06, 2003 @ 22:00 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12284. Re: Oklahoma / Texas Border - River Borders
       apologies again & continuing from the latest correction since the stitch must be oktx it could be a prolongation of the deviant arok terminal sector or it
       Nov 06, 2003 @ 22:24 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12285. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Oklahoma / Texas Border - River Borders
       I m glad to see that you ve come around. Otherwise I was about to have to write a long laborious rebuttal. :-) Yes, the extralegal stitch must be sewn with
       Nov 06, 2003 @ 23:16 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12286. Shortest County Borders
       Thanks to Jack Parsell for a great response. He mentioned compiling a list of county quadripoints, both intra and interstate. During my ramblings in
       Nov 07, 2003 @ 03:13 - spookymike@aol.com (spookymike@...)
12287. Another Nice Four County Monument
       Check out the picture of another nice four county monument, this one in Oregon. URL: http://www.blueberryrides.com/maps/4countyA.htm Mike Schwartz
       Nov 07, 2003 @ 03:25 - spookymike@aol.com (spookymike@...)
12288. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Boundaries through urban areas
       Attached (and also at www.mexlist.com/bp/bcjc.jpg ) is an aerial photo map that I have made to show the Bi-state Criminal Justice Center condominium. The
       Nov 07, 2003 @ 04:06 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@msn.com>)
12289. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: map of fucking
       Or you could send some people to this Micihagn location: http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=42.43472&lon=-83.985 Asher ... __________________________________
       Nov 07, 2003 @ 05:20 - Asher Samuels (Asher Samuels <asher972@...>)
12290. Re: map of fucking
       yes but by then he would have quit fucking off in austria & no proper multipoint would have been scored nor any actually thematic multiplication performed ...
       Nov 07, 2003 @ 15:25 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12291. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: map of fucking
       do we need another group about funny names? here is something about a place called Kotzen :
       Nov 07, 2003 @ 15:46 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
12292. Re: Boundaries through urban areas
       many thanxxx & comments intertwingled ... photo map that ... condominium. ... upon the ... facilities of the ... which the ... good i agree & this means the
       Nov 07, 2003 @ 15:44 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12293. Re: map of fucking
       not unless they harmonize & elevate us as well as properly multiply ... nennhausen.de/Amtsverwaltung/Amtsstruktur/Gemeinden/Gemeinde_Kotzen/ge
       Nov 07, 2003 @ 15:47 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12294. frederick md
       tho it has just rained for 2 days here i am still taking aim at mdvawv today to at least examine the new alignments etc there against the blueprint & behold
       Nov 07, 2003 @ 16:36 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12295. Re: map of fucking
       But then if you are just starting out I recommend the following California location: http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=41.07389&lon=-123.98056 BJB ...
       Nov 07, 2003 @ 18:04 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
12296. yikes
       harpers ferry wv onsite visit using vawv surveyors plat yielded no sign of either of the 2 northernmost vawv markers both of which will be indispensable for
       Nov 07, 2003 @ 19:13 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12297. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Boundaries through urban areas
       This situation comes down to what exactly does and does not constitute a condominium. In the beginning of this discussion, I said that it is something of a
       Nov 07, 2003 @ 20:56 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12298. Re: yikes
       leesburg va making today the first bp tristate message day direct from the greater mdvawv area in 3 successive posts & it wasnt gratuitous because i really
       Nov 07, 2003 @ 21:39 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12299. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: map of fucking
       In AR: http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=35.30972&lon=-91.56778 In OH: http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=38.5725&lon=-82.51306 In WV:
       Nov 07, 2003 @ 21:40 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
12300. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: map of fucking
       Gentlemen, gentlemen, let s stop beating around the bush and just go straight to: http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=40.0375&lon=-76.10528 ... From: Michael
       Nov 07, 2003 @ 21:52 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
12301. Re: Boundaries through urban areas
       well this keeps sliding downhill in a way because there actually is also a port of njny authority condo & many similarly functional condos by other names
       Nov 07, 2003 @ 21:53 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12302. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: map of fucking
       Intercourse PA is a few miles east of Lancaster, in Pennsylvania Dutch country. This picture is from a 1981 road trip. I came back the same way from Philly
       Nov 07, 2003 @ 23:15 - Tom (Tom <hilversum96@yahoo.com>)
12303. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Boundaries through urban areas
       Yes, I have read in the past about the jurisdictions in the NJNY port area, and I seem to remember that it says that NY has jurisdiction over ships in certain
       Nov 08, 2003 @ 00:33 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12304. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Shortest County Borders
       Mike Schwartz, Congrats on getting to the dry PA quad-county point. There is another one in the Allegheny River at Freeport. Attached 1:10000 map shows it.
       Nov 08, 2003 @ 03:23 - jparsell ("jparsell" <jparsell@northnet.org>)
12305. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Another Nice Four County Monument
       Thanks Mike. I am glad to have that confirmed since it s the only one I found in Oregon. Jack ... From: spookymike@aol.com [mailto:spookymike@aol.com] Sent:
       Nov 08, 2003 @ 03:34 - jparsell ("jparsell" <jparsell@...>)
12306. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Shortest County Borders
       For what it s worth, Microsoft STREETS &TRIPS shows it as a quad point (with no mismatch). Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: jparsell To:
       Nov 08, 2003 @ 04:04 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12307. Strange names
       There is a book A Place Called Peculiar which has many a strange names and their origins. The book All Over The Map and its sequels also collect names in
       Nov 08, 2003 @ 04:27 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
12308. Re: frederick md
       I tried that point in September. For the VA-WV line, I found a 3- inch white stripe near the edge of a rock that dropped about three feet into the river at
       Nov 08, 2003 @ 06:14 - dcupopelilly ("dcupopelilly" <ronkessler@...>)
12309. Re: frederick md
       yes indeed good point sometimes the subjective or even downright whimsical approach is all that is available & why not if this is in fact the best one can do
       Nov 08, 2003 @ 16:29 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12310. Re: Boundaries through urban areas
       ... port area, and ... in certain ... jurisdiction, whereby ... involving boundary ... laws of ... this still ... Texarkana). Are ... i think the menh
       Nov 08, 2003 @ 16:58 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12311. Re: Strange names
       The word intercourse has other meanings besides the one we re thinking of, hi. The PA road sign indicates the town was named after a noted old tavern
       Nov 08, 2003 @ 18:00 - hilversum96 ("hilversum96" <hilversum96@...>)
12312. plans
       these buried markers are such a gas i have decided to make my next try at the opposite end of this same jefferson & loudon county vawv survey which is also the
       Nov 08, 2003 @ 18:18 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12313. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: map of fucking
       please dont miss the following, they are very close to kevins. http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=18&n=4432841&e=399370&s=50&size=s&datum=nad83&layer=DRG25 and
       Nov 08, 2003 @ 20:48 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
12314. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Strange names
       its intercourse and blueballs (cant find blueballs, sorry, my girlfriend told me about it) chris ... From: Arif Samad To: boundarypoint@yahoogroups.com Sent:
       Nov 08, 2003 @ 20:51 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
12315. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Strange names
       It s Blue Ball. Where you reach if you don t get to Intercourse and haven t been to Bird in Hand.
       Nov 08, 2003 @ 23:34 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
12316. Re: frederick md
       Do you reckon the unscalably large boulder is the one responsible for the trifinium whirlpool at really high water? The fact that your sightline runs across a
       Nov 08, 2003 @ 23:33 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
12317. RE: [BoundaryPoint] plans
       After you have a gas at wves head nw to the VA-WV quad county point. Clarke-Fredrick VA and Berkeley-Jefferson WV. Map attached. Note there is a road down to
       Nov 09, 2003 @ 01:55 - jparsell ("jparsell" <jparsell@northnet.org>)
12318. Re: plans
       ahhhhhoooooo jack that is such a beauty not only an interstate quadripoint but the survey line & river & bridge appear to form a perfect asterisk that is maxi
       Nov 09, 2003 @ 18:27 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12319. Re: frederick md
       ... for ... yes yes yes & that was one of my former whimsical tripoint guesses too so it is good to be reminded of this just to realize how far we have come
       Nov 09, 2003 @ 18:45 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12320. Re: Strange names
       bravo a 3cushion trifinium at last even if a fairly straight shot for an old pennsylvanian special mention also to mike for his much earlier & quite original
       Nov 09, 2003 @ 18:54 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12321. one final mystery among the delaware arcs
       we know from pre1849 maps that the depa arc was originally tangent to demd at modern demdpa or at least it appears to have been so & we understand that the
       Nov 09, 2003 @ 19:41 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12322. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Strange names
       Hell MI is in the Pinckney State Recreation Area near Ann Arbor, and near the region of MI known as the Irish Hills (gently rolling hills dotted with lakes and
       Nov 09, 2003 @ 22:59 - Tom (Tom <hilversum96@yahoo.com>)
12323. County quadripoints
       Has anyone been to or seen a photo of the San Joaquin-Stanislaus- Santa Clara-Alameda county quadripoint in California at Mt. Boardman? Mapquest doesn t show
       Nov 09, 2003 @ 23:05 - adamnvillani ("adamnvillani" <avillani@...>)
12324. RE: [BoundaryPoint] County quadripoints
       Adam, I got the same results you did. Street Atlas USA shows it missing by about 250 ft. but it appears to be right on as a quad-point on Topozone. Can you
       Nov 10, 2003 @ 03:22 - jparsell ("jparsell" <jparsell@...>)
12325. Re: County quadripoints
       ... by about ... identify the ... Here it is--- I found it at the Long Beach Public Library: California county boundaries : a study of the division of the
       Nov 10, 2003 @ 06:13 - adamnvillani ("adamnvillani" <avillani@...>)
12326. Re: daily caus line
       Point 44: akbcyt possible pic (?) at: http://community.webshots.com/photo/91730697/91731942vAvrvw However the caption does say Flags at international border
       Nov 10, 2003 @ 12:58 - Michael Kaufman ("Michael Kaufman" <mikekaufman79@...>)
12327. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: daily caus line
       What you have here is a picture from the international boundary in White Pass ( elevation 2,890 feet), about 135 miles east of AKBCYT. The railroad is the
       Nov 10, 2003 @ 15:11 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12328. Re: daily caus line
       yes but the question was can anyone who has been here confirm or deny this as the tp area & knowing you are a railroad buff lowell i can only imagine you may
       Nov 10, 2003 @ 15:30 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12329. Re: daily caus line
       thanx for the replay of this golden oldie mike the only major thing that has changed in my understanding since i made that still preliminary punctoscopy of
       Nov 10, 2003 @ 16:00 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12330. Re: County quadripoints
       adam i tried that point & reported it in real time in messages 5167 5172 5174 5177 5179 & 5181 if you dont mind wading thru a lot of other stuff with it but
       Nov 10, 2003 @ 16:30 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12331. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Boundaries through urban areas
       IIRC, NY has complete jurisdiction up to the low water mark in the entire NYNJ harbor area, even on the NJ shoreline; with the provision that NJ may construct
       Nov 10, 2003 @ 18:45 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
12332. Re: County quadripoints
       ... Great! Loved the tale of the usmx2caazbc tripoint, too. Adam
       Nov 10, 2003 @ 18:40 - adamnvillani ("adamnvillani" <avillani@...>)
12333. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Strange names
       Second and last picture from Hell. Hell got its name from the locals who brewed their own alcohol, and dumped it in the creek when it didn t taste right. Word
       Nov 10, 2003 @ 22:57 - Tom (Tom <hilversum96@yahoo.com>)
12334. harrogate tn
       so next after posting one more time from avoca tn btw without mentioning the place at the time i headed back to the bristol cemetery to check out the owner of
       Nov 11, 2003 @ 01:29 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12335. Re: County quadripoints
       thanx that message 5181 was pushing it a bit but glad i got it in too ... ... 5167 ... by
       Nov 11, 2003 @ 01:40 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12336. Re: harrogate tn
       ... way ... whoops i spoke too soon something wrong with this arrowhead it is not an arrowhead at all on topozone wonder what gives here could the nps really
       Nov 11, 2003 @ 01:59 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12337. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: daily caus line
       No, I haven t been there, so I guess I don t technically qualify to answer the question by its own terms. I am qualified, though, to deny that it is or is
       Nov 11, 2003 @ 01:46 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12338. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: daily caus line
       Ah ok perfect. I had my doubts (as well as my hopes) that this was at (well near) the tp. And thanks for the explanation. -Mike K. ...
       Nov 11, 2003 @ 02:31 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
12339. Re: daily caus line
       I happen to have the Canadian topo map that includes AKBCYT. The trifinium is at about 1300 meters elevation on a glacier near Mt. Jette in the St. Elias
       Nov 11, 2003 @ 02:34 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
12340. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: daily caus line
       Brian, all we have to do is wait a few more years until the glacier melts back far enough to expose the supposed monument. Until then it s still under moving
       Nov 11, 2003 @ 03:37 - jparsell ("jparsell" <jparsell@...>)
12341. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: daily caus line
       Yes I know. Partly my fault for asking the question that way. I guess what I was looking for was two separate things. 1. If anyone could confirm/deny the
       Nov 11, 2003 @ 03:40 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
12342. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: daily caus line
       Yep - same thing on Topozone. No marker at the TriPoint, but only at a CA-US TurnPoint. Though unfortunately it seems 2 maps are put together right at the
       Nov 11, 2003 @ 03:50 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
12343. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Boundaries through urban areas
       Kevin, All I know about the NJ and NY jurisdictions in and around the New York Harbor comes from Franklin K. Van Zandt s BOUNDARIES OF THE UNITED STATES AND
       Nov 11, 2003 @ 03:52 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12344. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: harrogate tn
       Michael, It s a lopsided tee as I remember it and that s what Topozone shows. The pavilion wasn t there either of the times I was there, but I know what you
       Nov 11, 2003 @ 04:04 - jparsell ("jparsell" <jparsell@...>)
12345. Boundaries of the United States and the Several States
       Does anyone have the ISBN (or, if it s a governement publication the SuDoc number) for this book, as well as any information on where to buy a copy? Thanks,
       Nov 11, 2003 @ 05:54 - Asher Samuels (Asher Samuels <asher972@...>)
12346. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Boundaries of the United States and the Several States
       Asher, I do wish I could help, but my copy is photocopied from the text only without the title page, etc. It is a US Government document, from the Department
       Nov 11, 2003 @ 13:35 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12347. Re: Boundaries of the United States and the Several States
       No ISBN number shown in the book, but here are some identifiers: US Government Printing Office stock number: 024-001-02758-5 Catalog Number I 19.16.909 Library
       Nov 11, 2003 @ 14:05 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
12348. Re: daily caus line
       yes indeed bravo so our combined testimony provides the best available truth so far on mikes exact question & truth usually means less than erudition for it
       Nov 11, 2003 @ 14:25 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12349. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Boundaries of the United States and the Several States
       Using the clues below, I have been able to determine that the ISSN is 1044-9612. This is the most recent 1976 edition. Complete info on the publication is
       Nov 11, 2003 @ 15:05 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12350. Congradulations to Rolf
       I got my copy of Comet, Lonely Planet s newsletter (LP is a travel guide publisher) and saw a Top 5 travel list created by our own Rolf Palmberg. Here is his
       Nov 11, 2003 @ 14:50 - Andrew T. Patton (Andrew T. Patton <andrew@...>)
12351. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Congradulations to Rolf
       Hopefully he will get the guide for Albania, Serbia and Bulgaria! Congratulations!! ... ... Doug Murray Productions - Border Films POV Sports -
       Nov 11, 2003 @ 16:11 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
12352. Re: daily caus line
       well i am still behind the curve & far from catching up on the message board but this is a no fault reality what you did do was ask about points 44 & 11 in the
       Nov 11, 2003 @ 16:38 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12353. Re: harrogate tn
       yes but the peculiar trifinium diagram on the ground there shows the trijunction as a balanced arrowhead shape with the 2 acute angle states looking quite
       Nov 11, 2003 @ 16:50 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12354. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: harrogate tn
       I believe that the KYVA and KYTN boundaries there should be the drainage divide. As such, might it not take fine-scale turns within a few feet to bring it into
       Nov 11, 2003 @ 17:38 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12355. Re: harrogate tn
       ... drainage divide. ... bring it into a ... yes they do appear to be the drainage divide & yes it might either take or not take fine scale turns within a few
       Nov 11, 2003 @ 20:40 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12356. Bound Rock, NH
       Formerly formed the border between MA and NH (surveyed in the 1650s - the articles present different possible dates 1656, 1657, 1659 as to the actual marking
       Nov 12, 2003 @ 01:00 - Michael Kaufman ("Michael Kaufman" <mikekaufman79@...>)
12357. Contiguous Or Not Contiguous; That Is The Question
       My Yahoo U.S. county highpointing group is in the midst of a discussion that we have had before, with no consenus having been reached. One of things we do is
       Nov 12, 2003 @ 01:39 - spookymike@aol.com (spookymike@...)
12358. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Contiguous Or Not Contiguous; That Is The Question
       I remember doing legal research during graduate school in 1977 comparing the laws of various states as to how or whether they allocate large waterbodies to
       Nov 12, 2003 @ 03:37 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12359. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Congradulations to Rolf
       Thanks Andrew & Doug. I can choose the prize book myself, and to be honest, I haven t made up my mind yet. Rolf PS! As a devoted Lonely Planet fan, I comment
       Nov 12, 2003 @ 05:51 - Rolf Palmberg (Rolf Palmberg <rpalmber@...>)
12360. topozone alternative server?
       hi, im searching for this alternative topomap server, i know, we were talking about it, but i cant find it right now. thanks, chris
       Nov 12, 2003 @ 10:03 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
12361. Re: topozone alternative server?
       http://www.terraserver.com
       Nov 12, 2003 @ 12:06 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
12362. Europe unveils agency to protect its borders
       Europe unveils agency to protect its borders By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard in Brussels (Filed: 12/11/2003) Plans were unveiled yesterday for a pan-European border
       Nov 12, 2003 @ 15:12 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
12363. Re: topozone alternative server?
       Actually, the following link is a starting point for topographic maps. http://mapserver.maptech.com/terraserver/
       Nov 12, 2003 @ 12:09 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
12364. AKBCYT
       The more I look at this point, the more I like it. I especially like the fact that it might be accessible via the Butler Glacier. See:
       Nov 12, 2003 @ 12:17 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
12365. Border Inn
       I spotted this bed & breakfast a few weeks ago while driving down Zero Avenue on CAUS near Blaine, Washington. The house is located in WA, about 100 feet from
       Nov 12, 2003 @ 16:16 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
12366. Re: AKBCYT
       you should do it it would make a great bookend for mbnunwsk & then you could just fill in the rest of the royal flush at your leisure ... lat=59.983485&lon=-
       Nov 12, 2003 @ 16:29 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12367. Fwd: Re: File - prospective.txt
       welcome pieter & congratulations on catching up so fast indeed you are way ahead of most of us ... Great deals on high-speed Internet access as low as $26.95.*
       Nov 12, 2003 @ 16:37 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
12368. more thinking about mdvawv
       dickson tn played with the full deck on route 52 from elgin to orlinda & got a wave from a joker who was just sitting there at the end also devised a
       Nov 12, 2003 @ 17:31 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12369. Re: Bound Rock, NH
       ... 1650s - ... to ... the ... of ... wow nice shooting the previous oldest known to me was 1720s wonder what the oldest is then
       Nov 12, 2003 @ 17:34 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12370. caruthersville mo
       this place bills itself the birthplace of the bootheel but the library is closing so soon i doubt i will be able to tell you why however i will try but first i
       Nov 12, 2003 @ 23:04 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12371. Plate Tectonics and Lat/Long boundaries
       Since the continents are adrift on the sea of magma and the Prime Meridian goes through Greenwich, the longitude of a place changes as time goes by. Also, the
       Nov 13, 2003 @ 03:49 - Eric Choate (Eric Choate <choatune@...>)
12372. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Plate Tectonics and Lat/Long boundaries
       The general principal of boundary demarcation is that once a boundary is marked upon the landscape and accepted by the sovereign parties involved, it remains
       Nov 13, 2003 @ 04:05 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12373. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Plate Tectonics and Lat/Long boundaries
       The general principal of boundary demarcation is that once a boundary is marked upon the landscape and accepted by the sovereign parties involved, it remains
       Nov 13, 2003 @ 04:05 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12374. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Plate Tectonics and Lat/Long boundaries
       Welcome Eric! And... The US-Canadian border is where it is. In reality, it is not very accurate. There is a graph of the deviations along the 49th out there
       Nov 13, 2003 @ 04:16 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
12375. Re: Plate Tectonics and Lat/Long boundaries
       Also, the actual definitions of the latitude lines are independent of how the continents might be configured; they re just relative to the orb of the earth and
       Nov 13, 2003 @ 06:24 - adamnvillani ("adamnvillani" <avillani@...>)
12376. divided community in germany until 1968
       http://www.duermentingen.de/geminfo/burgau/index.htm its in german, funny stories, like a house for poor people built on the border. a child was born in there.
       Nov 13, 2003 @ 08:10 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
12377. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Plate Tectonics and Lat/Long boundaries
       Adam, ... The prime meridian (i.e. 0 degrees longitude) was only established as running through Greenwich by the International Meridian Conference in 1884, and
       Nov 13, 2003 @ 13:04 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
12378. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Plate Tectonics and Lat/Long boundaries
       Eric, ... ISO 3166-1 country and territory codes are generally based on the English short name, except where those territories have French as the official
       Nov 13, 2003 @ 13:06 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
12379. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Plate Tectonics and Lat/Long boundaries
       ... Switzerland probably got codes based on their local names because they happened to be represented on the original working group that made the first list. I
       Nov 13, 2003 @ 14:14 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12380. Re: Plate Tectonics and Lat/Long boundaries
       ... Serbia and ... it seems ... hot dang & you may recall i not only invented the preposterous crna srpa & cs but also predicted this exact demise for it too
       Nov 13, 2003 @ 16:35 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12381. Re: Plate Tectonics and Lat/Long boundaries
       ... if ... indeed yet not only is east not always east & west not always west but even north & south are purely arbitrary if western civ had been invented in
       Nov 13, 2003 @ 16:40 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12382. Re: Plate Tectonics and Lat/Long boundaries
       ... established by ... territories ... long way ... That s true. Unfortunately I don t think I ve ever seen a map that wasn t specifically a time zone map that
       Nov 13, 2003 @ 19:49 - adamnvillani ("adamnvillani" <avillani@...>)
12383. perryville ar
       couldnt decide between checking out that funny fort smith arok cession depicted in bus&ss or getting soaked at hot springs ar so i split the difference
       Nov 13, 2003 @ 20:21 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12384. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Plate Tectonics and Lat/Long boundaries
       - I have a question about the shorthand used to indentify boundary corners. Is it the two letter codes used for web addresses in English alphabetical
       Nov 13, 2003 @ 20:23 - Jim Smith ("Jim Smith" <jwas@...>)
12385. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Plate Tectonics and Lat/Long boundaries
       Jim, ... For most countries using the Latin character set, the local name will not be too far removed from the English or French name (the official languages
       Nov 13, 2003 @ 23:37 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
12386. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bound Rock, NH
       Bound Rock s fame in the border dispute is now equaled by its distinction as the second oldest boundary marker in the entire country. Several things to
       Nov 14, 2003 @ 01:50 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
12387. Re: caruthersville mo
       Missouri was admitted to the Union as part of the Compromise of 1820, which established its southern boundary, and the extension of that boundary, as the line
       Nov 14, 2003 @ 03:18 - hilversum96 ("hilversum96" <hilversum96@...>)
12388. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: caruthersville mo
       The plantation owner in question was one John Hardeman Walker of Little Prairie (now Caruthersville). For the whole story, see
       Nov 14, 2003 @ 04:41 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12389. Re: caruthersville mo
       so no wonder she stomped on my question the birthplace of the bootheel was not caruthersville at all as the place proclaims but walkers mind which was
       Nov 14, 2003 @ 15:31 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12390. Re: Bound Rock, NH
       special to pal mike from ada ok good analysis & we have been distinguishing old boundary stones that still mark extant borders in any capacity as working rocks
       Nov 14, 2003 @ 15:51 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12391. Re: Bound Rock, NH
       ... 1650s - ... to ... the ... of ... Hampton- ... bordermarker ... the ... right but this is not the location of bound rock yes so where do you think it is
       Nov 14, 2003 @ 16:11 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12392. chickasha ok
       not a multipoint but the ghost bubbles of muscogee as described in message 8964 are the objects of my present multiquest as much out of regard for their
       Nov 14, 2003 @ 19:31 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12393. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Plate Tectonics and Lat/Long boundaries
       ... For more reading about the Canada/USA borders, look at the International Boundary Commission website: http://www.internationalboundarycommission.org/ The
       Nov 14, 2003 @ 22:43 - Dave Patton [DCP] ("Dave Patton [DCP]" <dpatton@...>)
12394. Re: Plate Tectonics and Lat/Long boundaries
       ... monuments, ... Thanks. I like this graph, but what is the scale on the vertical axis. Also have you determined which side was short-changed? My
       Nov 15, 2003 @ 07:33 - Eric Choate ("Eric Choate" <choatune@...>)
12395. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Plate Tectonics and Lat/Long boundaries
       In BUS&SS, Van Zandt writes: Boundary monuments along the 49th parallel may vary in latitude by as much as a second or more, because many of them were
       Nov 15, 2003 @ 14:31 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12396. Longitudes west of Washington
       ... longitude relative to the dome of the Capitol in Washington. In BUS&SS, Van Zandt tells us that an Act of Congress of September 28, 1850 (repealed August
       Nov 15, 2003 @ 15:10 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12397. secound life of border markers
       Hello, who knows what the secound life of old border markers can be? Sometimes they are used as legs of benches. Here is an example from Poland, old border
       Nov 15, 2003 @ 17:25 - Boguslaw A. Tomaszewski ("Boguslaw A. Tomaszewski" <bogus.a.t@wp.pl>)
12398. guymon ok
       counted coup on all 3 ghost bubbles of muscogee some in darkest night & fog but found no ghosts then bagged txne as distinct from txen a soft old rock probably
       Nov 15, 2003 @ 17:59 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12399. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Plate Tectonics and Lat/Long boundaries
       ... I ve replaced it with one that has a vertical scale. ... I did my research solely to determine the ownership of the WGS84 degree confluences along the
       Nov 15, 2003 @ 18:46 - Dave Patton [DCP] ("Dave Patton [DCP]" <dpatton@...>)
12400. Ghost binational quadropoint Denmark-Schleswig
       http://www.nicolette.dk/diverse/rodding.htm
       Nov 15, 2003 @ 18:55 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12401. Smuggler's Inn B&B -- CAUS
       Here s an aerial of the Smuggler s Inn on the CAUS border at Blaine, WA - Surrey, BC. The road to the north of the building is Zero Ave, and the southern edge
       Nov 15, 2003 @ 21:22 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
12402. RE: [BoundaryPoint] guymon ok
       Mike, You probably will find the Manhole cover in the correct orientation (not backwards). In Sept 2002 the Highpointers group popped it, dipped out 40 or 50
       Nov 16, 2003 @ 01:59 - jparsell ("jparsell" <jparsell@...>)
12403. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bound Rock, NH
       Yes I am also quite interested in finding out what could be an older border marker (be it natural or planted). Unfortunately, I did not see an author listed
       Nov 16, 2003 @ 02:29 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
12404. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bound Rock, NH
       http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=19&n=4750866.00011595&e=351354.999988967&datum=nad83 Follow from the tp southeast along the Hampton-Seabrook border (crosses
       Nov 16, 2003 @ 02:40 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
12405. Re: [BoundaryPoint] more thinking about mdvawv
       I, too, have been doing more thinking about the Potomac boundaries. I ve also been doing research. The charter granted to Lord Baltimore made Maryland extend
       Nov 16, 2003 @ 07:13 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12406. Re: more thinking about mdvawv
       all the right stuff lowell & especially great news to find we will need another of our famous tripointing stitches here an eventuality which we knew was always
       Nov 16, 2003 @ 18:16 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12407. Re: Bound Rock, NH
       still lost here in albuquerque & glad to hear you are following thru on this research mike but are you sure you mean follow the tp southeast it seems to me you
       Nov 16, 2003 @ 18:31 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12408. Re: guymon ok
       well jack i recalled your mentioning the highpointers had restored this pseudocoksok manhole cover thing to the geographically correct orientation at the time
       Nov 16, 2003 @ 18:52 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12409. Re: NW corner TX panhandle
       in case you dont want to wade thru the following message 10429 i am happy to confirm from visual examination of the fence lines that the northwest corner of
       Nov 16, 2003 @ 19:37 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12410. Iron 1877 Arkansas/Choctaw monument
       Attached (and at the URL s linked below) are three views of a cast-iron boundary monument that was part of an 1877 resurvey of the boundary between the State
       Nov 16, 2003 @ 19:49 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@msn.com>)
12411. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bound Rock, NH
       Yes, it s definitely SE of the tripoint. Here is a map from Topozone (attached and also in the Files section as BR.jpg). I added the town names and encirlced
       Nov 16, 2003 @ 20:14 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@yahoo.com>)
12412. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: NW corner TX panhandle
       I visited TXnw some years ago, and I m in perfect agreement with your assessment of its location in relation to the highway. I was puzzled to find nothing even
       Nov 16, 2003 @ 20:38 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12413. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: more thinking about mdvawv
       I have interspersed my newest thoughts below. ... Thank you! ... The 1877 arbitrators who first promulgated the low-water mark for MDVA described the boundary
       Nov 16, 2003 @ 22:27 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12414. Re: NW corner TX panhandle
       Mike and I, and my brother Gregg, are old hands at probing for buried monuments with wires, having poked the turtle at MANHVT, which we marked with a driftwood
       Nov 17, 2003 @ 00:43 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
12415. Re: NW corner TX panhandle
       Yahoo is being pedantic about URL s, so here is the link again, this time with the protocol specifier:
       Nov 17, 2003 @ 00:46 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
12416. Neth/Ger
       A Dutch friend sent me a newspaper clipping from the Algemeen Dagsblad, c.4 Aug 2003, titled Suittard-Oost ligt in Duitsland , apparently it is part 4 of a
       Nov 17, 2003 @ 07:32 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
12417. Re: NW corner TX panhandle
       yes that was one of our finest happy hours mate & i congratulate you for httping the url too & wish all our informants would emulate you in this & a rare pic
       Nov 17, 2003 @ 17:22 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12418. Re: more thinking about mdvawv
       ... MDVA described ... line between ... mark... To me, ... Congress, gives ... as the ... mark. Since the ... Virginia, I ... question and have ... yes all
       Nov 17, 2003 @ 17:52 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12419. Re: more thinking about mdvawv
       ... the ... VAWV ... West ... ok that was globe az but this is superior more below ... south ... perhaps we really agree but as i see it both the mdwv & mdva
       Nov 17, 2003 @ 19:19 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12420. Re: Ghost binational quadropoint Denmark-Schleswig
       that looks mighty fine from here in superior how did you ever discover it
       Nov 17, 2003 @ 19:26 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12421. Van Zandt out of print
       When I posted the URL of the US Geological Survey s on-line order form a few days ago so that others might order the 1976 edition of Van Zandt s BUS&SS, I
       Nov 17, 2003 @ 19:28 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12422. Re: Smuggler's Inn B&B -- CAUS
       would love to meet you in washington especially if you could help me to some of that bc bud ... Abbotsford, ... 20031113- ... get ... really
       Nov 17, 2003 @ 19:31 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12423. Re: Van Zandt out of print
       cheer up we knew that 12000 messages ago somebody should just hang their entire copy on line for the rest of us it is public domain ... form a few ... BUS&SS,
       Nov 17, 2003 @ 19:34 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12424. Re: Bound Rock, NH
       ahh thats better thanx i was looking out so hard for s to ask i missed the entire word from
       Nov 17, 2003 @ 19:38 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12425. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Van Zandt out of print
       Oh, sorry! Well, the USGS webmaster should take it off the on-line store, then. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: acroorca2002
       Nov 17, 2003 @ 19:43 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12426. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Neth/Ger
       ... It s the first I ve heard of it. However, the articles from the series are available in an online newspaper database. Unfortunately, they have not all been
       Nov 17, 2003 @ 22:01 - Pepijn Hendriks ("Pepijn Hendriks" <pepijnh@...>)
12428. parker az
       special to spooky mike still waiting for your decision as to whether boroughs or judicial divisions or other miscellaneous jurisdictions will answer to your
       Nov 18, 2003 @ 18:42 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12429. Fwd: [BoundaryPoint] BUS&SS Project
       dont know why the following reached my mailbox before the message board & lots of other weird stuff has been going on i will explain if wanted but the point is
       Nov 18, 2003 @ 18:52 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12430. BBC Photo Essay
       BBC Online has a short photo essay on the BY-PL border. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/europe/03/woloch/html/default.stm Doug Doug Murray Productions -
       Nov 18, 2003 @ 19:21 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
12431. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Neth/Ger
       ... I think I ve got them all now, seven in total. On the following dates (yyyymmdd) articles were published in the Rotterdam based national newspaper
       Nov 18, 2003 @ 19:57 - Pepijn Hendriks ("Pepijn Hendriks" <pepijnh@gmx.net>)
12432. News Story: CAUS Indian Reservation
       The CAUS boundary gets complicated where it runs through two Indian reservations. And even more complicated when the St. Lawrence River freezes and turns into
       Nov 18, 2003 @ 20:29 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
12433. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Van Zandt out of print
       Thanks for the information anyway. Maybe if the USGS gets enough requests they ll do a reprint? ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect
       Nov 18, 2003 @ 20:36 - Asher Samuels (Asher Samuels <asher972@...>)
12434. BUS&SS
       There s several copies on www.abebooks.com for $20 and up. Some are the 1966 edition. Brendan
       Nov 18, 2003 @ 22:22 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
12435. Re: Fwd: [BoundaryPoint] BUS&SS Project
       My post reached individual mailboxes INSTEAD OF the message board because I deleted it shortly after I posted it, mainly because I don t think I am ready to
       Nov 19, 2003 @ 00:24 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
12436. Raw BUS&SS On-Line
       Here is a raw text version of the 1976 BUS&SS. I have proofread and corrected everything through Massachusetts. Beyond that you will probably find a lot of
       Nov 19, 2003 @ 01:03 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
12437. azcanv revisited
       bullhead city az returned today to the scene of my earlier class b canoe visit to find the seadoos thankfully on vacation for the winter but the sight line
       Nov 19, 2003 @ 01:15 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12438. Re: News Story: CAUS Indian Reservation
       ... Indian ... thats 1 indian reservation the akwesasne insist in 2 countries & 2 provinces & 1 state so the mohawks have the international tripoint version at
       Nov 19, 2003 @ 01:51 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12439. Re: Fwd: [BoundaryPoint] BUS&SS Project
       hahahahaha well then i dont think i am ready yet either hahahaha but i do absolutely think a punctocentric revision & update of bus&ss really would be bliss to
       Nov 19, 2003 @ 23:50 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12440. Re: parker az
       ... to our northern brethren. Looks like Apache/Navajo in AZ take the prize. Jack Parsell s midwestern counties whose common border may only be the width of
       Nov 19, 2003 @ 23:50 - nj55er ("nj55er" <spookymike@...>)
12441. Baarle article in AD
       I ve translated the Algemeen Dagblad article on Baarle. A couple of tricky bits perhaps the Dutch speakers can correct me on. Same village, another country By
       Nov 19, 2003 @ 23:58 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
12442. Re: parker az
       ... ooh that s a good question... I m kinda surprised I haven t tried to think of this on my own before. I won t be able to check until later tonight. Adam
       Nov 20, 2003 @ 00:32 - adamnvillani ("adamnvillani" <avillani@...>)
12443. Re: parker az
       ... to ... later ... Although if I were to take a wild stab at it, I d guess Malheur County, Oregon, in the southeast corner of the state. But that s not my
       Nov 20, 2003 @ 00:35 - adamnvillani ("adamnvillani" <avillani@...>)
12444. Re: parker az
       isabella lake ca wow my doppleganger did you notice how we just hit the message board together in perfect synch & like from out of nowhere too & just a
       Nov 20, 2003 @ 01:15 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12445. Many-adjoined county
       ... Okey-doke; I was in the right part of the country with my first guess, but I think I ve got it: Washoe County, Nevada, home of the Biggest Little City in
       Nov 20, 2003 @ 01:37 - adamnvillani ("adamnvillani" <avillani@...>)
12446. Re: parker az
       ... borax ... Just a slight correction here, the floor of Death Valley is largely halite, not borax. What s halite? It s simply naturally occurring table salt,
       Nov 20, 2003 @ 01:40 - adamnvillani ("adamnvillani" <avillani@...>)
12447. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: parker az
       I count seven neighbors for Malheur County. That s only slightly above average around here. I find eight neighbors for the following Louisiana parishes:
       Nov 20, 2003 @ 01:17 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12448. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Many-adjoined county
       Hey, thanks for the link to the Counties site. That s great! Washoe County is going to be hard to beat! Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From:
       Nov 20, 2003 @ 03:20 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12449. Low point CA
       Mike wrote: still i was able to find the familiar 282 feet below sea level sign & the associated nps presentations proclaiming this the lowest point in the
       Nov 20, 2003 @ 04:07 - jparsell ("jparsell" <jparsell@...>)
12450. Re: Low point CA
       coalinga ca hahahahaha ahh thank goodness that sign was wrong jack in fact i suspect all the signs are wrong & i had a feeling the entire salt flat couldnt all
       Nov 20, 2003 @ 19:32 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12451. dedd
       Just added a bookmark in the links section of this group. Its a German website dealing with some aspects of the old DE-DD border. Many pictures there.
       Nov 20, 2003 @ 21:58 - Sascha ("Sascha" <alqaszar@...>)
12452. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Low point CA
       ... I m no hydrologist, but here s my take: The water table probably falls during the day due to evaporation from the salt. Through the night, water probably
       Nov 21, 2003 @ 00:43 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12453. Re: Low point CA
       watsonville ca ahh excellent & thank you my dear sherlock ... evaporation from the salt. ... salt from below. It ... and evaporation sets
       Nov 21, 2003 @ 03:24 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12454. petaluma ca
       on an otherwise quiet day in the world of multipointing the djeret try was reportedly reactivated again today with a new round of shuttle diplomacy as well as
       Nov 21, 2003 @ 20:25 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12455. cnkpru 1:200.000
       http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/EART/korea/200k/11-52-17.jpg
       Nov 22, 2003 @ 22:42 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12456. Divided island - plenty
       http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/EART/tajikistan/100k/11-42-130.jpg Tajikistan-Uzbekistan
       Nov 22, 2003 @ 22:52 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12457. Re: cnkpru 1:200.000
       ... & dig that crazy china proruption with the double chicken neck now visible in all its glory but isnt there some sort of a condo or dispute or some other
       Nov 23, 2003 @ 21:30 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12458. Re: cnkpru 1:200.000
       ... A possible CNKP river condominium. ... I don t know, but in 1998, KPRU was demarcated except for a small part (less than 100 m) between the first KPRU
       Nov 24, 2003 @ 12:31 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
12459. Re: cnkpru 1:200.000
       From http://law.optima.ru/View.html?0=42267&1=1 (translated by me): GOVERNMENT OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION DECREE August, 6, 1998, no. 891 Moscow On the reaching
       Nov 24, 2003 @ 14:50 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
12460. Re: cnkpru 1:200.000
       thanx much am on a pay computer in san luis obispo now & will savor this more at leisure ... the Russian ... and the ... the ... of ... Affairs of ... Defense
       Nov 24, 2003 @ 23:30 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12461. JPRU Cross-Border Park
       http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/25/science/25ISLA.html Japan and Russia Turn to Nature to Bridge Vast Chasm in the Sea November 25, 2003 By JAMES BROOKE TOKYO,
       Nov 25, 2003 @ 15:17 - Asher Samuels ("Asher Samuels" <asher972@...>)
12462. Re: cnkpru 1:200.000
       Another map, dealing with the battle at lake Chasan between the Japanese and the Soviet armies in 1938: http://rkka.ru/maps/hasan.jpg And a picture of Soviet
       Nov 25, 2003 @ 15:31 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
12463. lancaster ca
       still cruisin no quaint california dutch place names around here tho beeps
       Nov 25, 2003 @ 18:12 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12464. Good Cyprus maps
       can be found here..... http://www.cyprus-un-plan.org/ I just wish they would fix their links. Jesper
       Nov 25, 2003 @ 21:10 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12465. Re: lancaster ca
       ... Well, there s always Van Nuys. Not exactly quaint though... Check out Vasquez Rocks County Park in Agua Dulce (a little ways south of Lancaster off of
       Nov 25, 2003 @ 21:16 - adamnvillani ("adamnvillani" <avillani@...>)
12466. Re: lancaster ca
       ... interesting ... point ... tripoint ... apple valley ca now thanx adam i was about to apologize for the pointlessness of my previous post & you went &
       Nov 25, 2003 @ 22:45 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12467. Re: cnkpru 1:200.000
       & thanx again peter now that i have really studied & appreciated this seamless text but as you indicated there still seems to be some question first they talk
       Nov 25, 2003 @ 23:23 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12468. A Page From allAfrica.com
       ... SENDPAGE SERVICE -- ALLAFRICA.COM The following page link has been sent to you by one of our readers. AllAfrica offers this facility as a service to our
       Nov 25, 2003 @ 23:52 - moc.il@li.com (moc.il@...)
12469. desert hot springs ca
       fantastic find will be sleeping in the parking lot of a 135 dollar a night hotel here named the spa which also offers 3 dollar baths in a choice of 9 deluxe
       Nov 26, 2003 @ 03:29 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12470. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Good Cyprus maps
       thanks a ps to renting cars: last year (based in agia napa) my wife and i rented bikes and rode to derineia, famagusta buffer zone etc and found it much more
       Nov 26, 2003 @ 06:15 - Rolf Palmberg (Rolf Palmberg <rpalmber@...>)
12471. Re: cnkpru 1:200.000
       ... this ... ends ... The treaty deals with the tripoint, not with the condominium, and although I can see that you can t really deal with the tripoint
       Nov 26, 2003 @ 12:27 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
12472. Re: cnkpru 1:200.000
       ... ... be ... the ... KPRU. ... boundary). ... like ... more ... a ... In http://www.pnp.ru/pg_nomers/20865.htm (Parlamentskaja gazeta),
       Nov 26, 2003 @ 13:38 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
12473. Re: cnkpru 1:200.000
       indio ca renewed thanx & bravos peter for this stunningly punctilious analysis so i guess we can say there is a probable or a putative cnkp condo & i think you
       Nov 26, 2003 @ 18:53 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12474. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: cnkpru 1:200.000
       See message 10976 for a refresher on an ARUY anomaly, which is an enclave, but not a condominium. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From:
       Nov 26, 2003 @ 19:55 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12475. absolute cae class c
       the approach to cae on the california side is closely guarded public property & is also protected naturally by 2 barrier zones of pricklies separated by a
       Nov 27, 2003 @ 01:20 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12476. Re: cnkpru 1:200.000
       parker az ok thanx this rules that one out not even sure if there is another situation yet tho there have been various & confusing reports silly but thats all
       Nov 27, 2003 @ 01:27 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12477. CAUS - Chase!
       Lots of action yesterday down on ol CAUS near Blaine, Washington! The print story here: http://tinyurl.com/wsyp Cheers, Doug Doug Murray Productions - Border
       Nov 27, 2003 @ 17:57 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
12478. Cyprus again
       Danish Cyprus UN site: http://www.stenboye.dk/dancon/ Check the section of photos from the the roof of Ledra Palace. Jesper
       Nov 27, 2003 @ 20:17 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12479. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cyprus again
       Now I know. Canadians taking over Cyprus! ... Doug Murray Productions - Border Films POV Sports - The X 1211 Cotton Drive Vancouver BC Canada 1.604.728.1407
       Nov 27, 2003 @ 20:35 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
12480. Where U.S., Kiwis Are Neighbors
       http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,48617,00.html + http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,48617-2,00.html?tw=wn_story_page_next1
       Nov 27, 2003 @ 19:44 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@aaahawk.com>)
12481. 'europe' revisted
       interesting article on the expansion of the EU and once again debate as to what exactly consitutes a european country, geographically and culturally. Are
       Nov 28, 2003 @ 02:16 - Victor Cantore (Victor Cantore <drpotatoes@...>)
12482. Re: CAUS - Chase!
       safford az but what i want to know is how anyone could ever actually roll the 270 thousand joints of that stuff not to say even 2 joints in a row youd think
       Nov 28, 2003 @ 19:29 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12483. Königreich Romkerhall
       Apparently there has been a kingdom called Romkerhall (Königreich Romkerhall). It was (or is) situated some kilometres south-south-east of the town of Goslar
       Nov 29, 2003 @ 17:06 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
12484. CAMEROON to Take over 33 Lake Chad Villages
       CAMEROON to Take over 33 Lake Chad Villages This Day, Nigeria ... Though, he said it was discovered that the demarcation within the Lake Chad Basin had not
       Nov 29, 2003 @ 18:11 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12485. Cameroon - Chad
       From: thisdayonline.com (Lagos, Nigeria) Cameroon to Take over 33 Lake Chad Villages From Mustapha Muhammad in Maiduguri ... In line with the International
       Nov 29, 2003 @ 18:58 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
12486. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Königreich Romkerhall
       At http://tinyurl.com/x0im you will find a Google translation into English of a German web page on the history of the kingdom. Lowell G. McManus Leesville,
       Nov 29, 2003 @ 19:56 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12487. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Königreich Romkerhall
       Thank you very much for that info! Christian Berghänel Sweden ... From: Lowell G. McManus To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003
       Nov 29, 2003 @ 21:53 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
12488. las cruces nm
       yikes i inadvertently slipped into the expanded border zone last night when i thought i could safely dip thru las cruces but should have been taking a hard
       Nov 30, 2003 @ 00:37 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12489. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CAUS - Chase!
       ... A peridot is a yellowish-green semi-precious gemstone, a variety of olivine. It s an English word from Old French. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana,
       Nov 30, 2003 @ 05:39 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12490. MXUS
       Using old cars to build a border barrier: http://tinyurl.com/x3ch Imagine the outcry if we used wrecked cars as a security barrier along the 49th! Doug Murray
       Nov 30, 2003 @ 16:24 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
12491. Re: MXUS
       your third pic here doug the one with the broken barbed wire in organ cactus np is exactly where i crossed in message 5190 no doubt about it no kidding ...
       Nov 30, 2003 @ 21:27 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12492. Re: CAUS - Chase!
       thanx tho i was hoping it would mean the circumference of a dot such a small place it was too las cruces is thankfully much bigger but still appears to boil
       Nov 30, 2003 @ 22:02 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12493. Greak Cyprus
       picture site http://www.geocities.com/britlink/index.htm Jesper
       Nov 30, 2003 @ 22:07 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12494. Fwd: Re: Brownlie on Disputes
       ... yes this refers to the intoduction of his treatise on african boundaries a diplomatic encyclopedia 1979 probably london great book & great intro in & of
       Nov 30, 2003 @ 22:08 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12495. Re: Good Cyprus maps
       The maps under the broken links are in the UN Secy Gen l s 12 MB 200 page Adobe Acrobat document. For those who would to see the British Sovereign Base areas
       Dec 01, 2003 @ 04:30 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
12496. customs exclaves in the usa
       well you can forget about that marijuana passport idea since new mexico has no legal medical marijuana hahaha & it appears the las cruces el paso domestic
       Dec 01, 2003 @ 17:57 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12497. Re: [BoundaryPoint] customs exclaves in the usa
       Although I m as close to Mike s contraband as I want to be, I still appreciate the generous spirit of his invitation (I guess). As one who owns property in and
       Dec 02, 2003 @ 01:14 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12498. Louisiana county-equivalent boundary dispute
       LAFAYETTE (AP) -- The Lafayette City-Parish Council is scheduled to vote Tuesday on setting the parish s boundary line with Vermilion Parish, but a group of
       Dec 02, 2003 @ 15:45 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12499. Re: customs exclaves in the usa
       ... appreciate ... hahahahaha thats a funny way to put it & you are correct to guess both the invite & the spirit are real so how could your appreciation not
       Dec 02, 2003 @ 18:06 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12500. Re: customs exclaves in the usa
       ok here is an apparently unlimited free internet computer already a few miles farther down the rio at new mexico state university not to mention all the
       Dec 02, 2003 @ 19:52 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12501. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: customs exclaves in the usa
       Mike, I do not know the number and locations of the zones outside of secondary checkpoints. I have searched in vain for a map or list of checkpoint locations.
       Dec 02, 2003 @ 20:04 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12502. Can anyone identify the CY area on the map at the back
       http://www.un.org/av/photo/sgtrips/images/une322.jpg
       Dec 02, 2003 @ 21:40 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12503. Re: customs exclaves in the usa
       ok thanx for the try & of course i am referring only to the permanent checkpoint locations since i do know full well about the extra spot search jeopardy etc
       Dec 02, 2003 @ 21:40 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12504. Re: Louisiana county-equivalent boundary dispute
       do they have tripoint equivalents too heres the latest on the ctmari etc dispute http://www.thewesterlysun.com/articles/2003/12/02/news/news3.txt ... vote
       Dec 02, 2003 @ 21:56 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12505. Re: Königreich Romkerhall
       i couldnt find it here in english today expired back into german perhaps ... English of a ... Romkerhall). ... town of Goslar ... romkerhall.de/atlas.htm ) ...
       Dec 02, 2003 @ 22:13 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12506. Re: Van Zandt out of print
       better silly than sorry & late than never & i trust you have cheered up long ago but you should tell him he should try pointing is about getting it right if at
       Dec 02, 2003 @ 22:45 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12507. Re: Ghost binational quadropoint Denmark-Schleswig
       on closer examination the green arrow in your first map does not appear to point to the same point as the red arrows in the subsequent maps point to but even
       Dec 02, 2003 @ 23:09 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12508. Re: Plate Tectonics and Lat/Long boundaries
       ... used to ... alphabetical ... hi jim & i apologize if this leading part of your question was never properly answered til now but yes indeed as things have
       Dec 02, 2003 @ 23:57 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12509. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Louisiana county-equivalent boundary dispute
       For those people in Europe, etc. who are mystified, I wrote county-equivalent because the creatures of the state known as counties in almost all other states
       Dec 03, 2003 @ 00:52 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12510. Re: Many-adjoined county
       ... interesting configuration you have & fun to see once again how traveling in the west seems grander than traveling in the east long ago i kept a similar map
       Dec 03, 2003 @ 01:27 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12511. Re: Oklahoma / Texas Border - River Borders
       ... yes indeed i have just recalled something about this from bus&ss but my copy is out in the truck a few blocks from here i think you are referring to a
       Dec 03, 2003 @ 02:08 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12512. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Königreich Romkerhall
       It still works for me. I am sending you the English text in a private e-mail to your address below. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From:
       Dec 03, 2003 @ 03:31 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12513. Re: mason dixon point of beginning continued
       oops found the truck & then forgot the book but that can wait a bit longer too about this southernmost point of philadelphia tho i think it may have been as
       Dec 03, 2003 @ 04:45 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12514. Re: cnkpru 1:200.000
       Mike - I think you must be recalling the suggested BR-UY condo shown here in the bottom image: http://www.info.lncc.br/wrmkkk/uilhabe.html Isla Brasilera is
       Dec 03, 2003 @ 05:58 - Michael Kaufman ("Michael Kaufman" <mikekaufman79@...>)
12515. from a concise dictionary of modern place names
       littleworth a village of south yorkshire was the first alphabetically to catch my eye or tickle my fancy but even it wasnt what it seemed it turns out the
       Dec 03, 2003 @ 06:45 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12516. Re: cnkpru 1:200.000
       i think thats a disputed ownership there tho mike rather than any kind of joint ownership & i may have just been imagining this last one too so really to have
       Dec 03, 2003 @ 07:06 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12517. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Ghost binational quadropoint Denmark-Schleswig
       What makes you say that the point of the first green arrow does not correspondent to the reds in the other maps? Map 2, 3 and 4 have the same scale, and
       Dec 03, 2003 @ 19:51 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12518. Re: customs exclaves in the usa
       I m sure none of us would want you to feel that you have to reply to every message ;)
       Dec 03, 2003 @ 21:43 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
12519. Re: customs exclaves in the usa
       hahahahaha yes we are all such free spirits here hahahahaha but yes i may actually proceed now to reply to every single message hahahaha even my own hahaha if
       Dec 04, 2003 @ 02:14 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12520. Re: Ghost binational quadropoint Denmark-Schleswig
       it was just the similarity of the trapezoidally shaped parcels of land between the highway & the apparent border cross in both of your first 2 maps that
       Dec 04, 2003 @ 02:50 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12521. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: cnkpru 1:200.000
       Yes - that s why I said the suggested BR-UY condo. Part 7 of this study is pretty much the author s view on what should/could be done to resolve the
       Dec 04, 2003 @ 06:58 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
12522. Re: cnkpru 1:200.000
       Rereading my post, the translation might lead to a little confusion here. To clear it up: I think the author suggests two things: 1. the waters can adapt to
       Dec 04, 2003 @ 07:25 - Michael Kaufman ("Michael Kaufman" <mikekaufman79@...>)
12523. caucasus
       pics, maps, stories, links about border monitoring along Georgian-Russian border and other states (Azerbaijan, Armenia) are of the HP OSCE http://www.osce.org
       Dec 04, 2003 @ 19:03 - udomet@gmx.de (udomet@...)
12524. Re: cnkpru 1:200.000
       yes beautiful thanx again understood & i can read most romance with a dictionary & instinct both of which together tell me about alveo that it is basically
       Dec 04, 2003 @ 19:08 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12525. Short County Borders
       Check out the link, which shows the near-junction of Candler, Emanuel, Tattnall, and Toombs Counties in Georgia. It appears that the Emanuel/Toombs line and
       Dec 04, 2003 @ 23:31 - spookymike@aol.com (spookymike@...)
12526. Re: cnkpru 1:200.000
       well since i promised to answer even myself & there are also still these outstanding questions from both my alter eguy & my doppleganger & i love these long
       Dec 05, 2003 @ 17:11 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12527. Four Color Maps
       The presence of the Azerbaijani exclave (and many others) means that the present set of national boundaries on earth does not satisfy the prerequesites to
       Dec 05, 2003 @ 20:22 - Eric Choate ("Eric Choate" <choatune@...>)
12528. Re: Four Color Maps
       ... Probably not, actually. The gerrymandering takes such bizarre forms because the districts have to all be continuous. So if a district wants to include two
       Dec 06, 2003 @ 00:48 - adamnvillani ("adamnvillani" <avillani@...>)
12529. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Four Color Maps
       Adam, ... Don t forget Liberty Island and the original portion of Ellis Island, which are New York enclaves within New Jersey. Of course, a number of states
       Dec 06, 2003 @ 01:23 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12530. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Short County Borders
       Mike, if you crank Topozone up to 1:10000, it shows even better. It still comes out to about 50 feet so it is on my list as a near miss. For Georgia I have six
       Dec 06, 2003 @ 03:08 - jparsell ("jparsell" <jparsell@...>)
12531. Re: Short County Borders
       Jack: I confess to not knowing the definitions of crossclave and peneclave. Mike ... still ... lines on the ... check the ... better. ... situation. ...
       Dec 06, 2003 @ 14:17 - nj55er ("nj55er" <spookymike@...>)
12532. Re: Four Color Maps
       ... Island, which are ... have inlands ... not what you ... nominate Florida, ... actually those are all cases of islands rather than inlands the only known
       Dec 06, 2003 @ 18:00 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12533. Re: Four Color Maps
       well i know this has been a perennially interesting question eric but how about first showing us a theoretical example of a topology requiring a 5th color &
       Dec 06, 2003 @ 19:32 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12534. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Four Color Maps
       ... According to Van Zandt, the 1889 Act of Congress admitting the State of Washington specified its northern boundary running westward along the Canadian
       Dec 06, 2003 @ 19:34 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12535. Re: Four Color Maps
       you may be right indeed most maps i have seen indicate you are right but i was thinking the 3 mile limits imposed by the submerged lands act would probably
       Dec 06, 2003 @ 21:15 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12536. some progress toward defining my sniffer clave etc
       as you know i have been contemplating making various recreational expeditions of a multipointing nature outside las cruces & thinking about exploratory forays
       Dec 06, 2003 @ 21:16 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12537. Re: Four Color Maps
       ... I think I have constructed a hypothetical Asia that needs five colors: 1) Suppose that Bangladesh and Pakistan are still one country, which here I will
       Dec 06, 2003 @ 22:19 - Eric Choate ("Eric Choate" <choatune@...>)
12538. Re: Four Color Maps
       yes here in bus&ss the same source you are citing under territorial waters & the continental shelf it indicates this sla of 1953 ended all possibility for the
       Dec 06, 2003 @ 22:28 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12539. Simpler map requiring 5 colors
       This is a simpler map. the two yellow squares are the same country and cannot be colored blue, green, or red. then the white country can t be colored red,
       Dec 06, 2003 @ 22:44 - Eric Choate (Eric Choate <choatune@yahoo.com>)
12540. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Simpler map requiring 5 colors
       ... hahaha you gotta be kidding about that one hahaha but now that you have given us the picture perhaps we could sell you on trying to color in a pre1959 map
       Dec 06, 2003 @ 23:25 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12541. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Four Color Maps
       You are probably correct. As a mathematical problem, the Four-Color Map Theorem has always ruled out jurisdictions that were in more than one segment. Lowell
       Dec 07, 2003 @ 01:33 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12542. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Crossclaves and Peneclaves
       I don t blame you. They are confusing. A crossclave is a portion of one entity, in this case part of a County connected to the main body of the County only
       Dec 07, 2003 @ 04:03 - jparsell ("jparsell" <jparsell@northnet.org>)
12543. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Four Color Maps
       Belatedly, I have now reviewed that particular part of Van Zandt s BUS&SS. While I can agree that Pacific coastal states can extend their territorial waters no
       Dec 07, 2003 @ 04:12 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12544. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Four Color Maps
       ... From: acroorca2002 To: Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 1:32 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Four
       Dec 07, 2003 @ 05:01 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@aaahawk.com>)
12545. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Four Color Maps
       Four colors will always suffice if none of the regions are fragmented. When you created that purple swath of E, you fragmented both C and E. When you make a
       Dec 07, 2003 @ 06:34 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12546. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Crossclaves and Peneclaves
       Meaning that Jungholz is a crossclave. I like the word. Jesper ... From: jparsell To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 5:03 AM
       Dec 07, 2003 @ 10:18 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12547. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Four Color Maps
       ... From: Lowell G. McManus To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 12:34 AM Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Four Color Maps Four
       Dec 07, 2003 @ 14:02 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
12548. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Four Color Maps
       I haven t experimented with the Azerbaijani fragment, but it is entirely conceivable that you can have fragmented regions and still get along with four colors.
       Dec 07, 2003 @ 14:59 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12549. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Four Color Maps
       As Ellis Island Old is totally enclaved in Ellis Island New in the land portion of the island, we cannot really consider Liberty Island in exactly the same
       Dec 07, 2003 @ 17:28 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
12550. Re: Four Color Maps
       ... that ... the ... four ... to ... be ... ok well now that you have thankfully caused such a riot eric it is good to return to your actual leading question
       Dec 07, 2003 @ 17:33 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12551. Re: Four Color Maps
       ... BUS&SS. ... territorial ... argue that the ... i would not argue but i am pretty sure the sla actually says 3nm from coasts & doesnt necessarily specify
       Dec 07, 2003 @ 18:47 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12552. Re: Crossclaves and Peneclaves
       yes i agree bravos to jack on both of these usages in fact & for a play by play account of the original schley taylor border cross visit & several other topics
       Dec 07, 2003 @ 19:20 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12553. yikes
       is today our bp quadriantipodes already i believe i will go out & celebrate by looking for doelot or something or maybe that elusive stargazers stone album the
       Dec 07, 2003 @ 19:38 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12554. Re: Four Color Maps
       ... shapes have been shown to require more colors. If I were to ever write a sci-fi novel, it will definitely have a planet shaped like a Klein bottle. It can
       Dec 07, 2003 @ 20:03 - Eric Choate ("Eric Choate" <choatune@...>)
12555. IL borders
       Does IL have no border markers at all? http://www.ramallahonline.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1570 Jesper
       Dec 07, 2003 @ 20:20 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12556. Is this Tuzla island?
       http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/EART/x-ussr/100k/L-37-098.jpg http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3204117.stm
       Dec 07, 2003 @ 20:34 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12557. Re: Is this Tuzla island?
       ... Yes Same url as in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/12053 Peter S.
       Dec 07, 2003 @ 21:02 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
12558. Mirjaveh: AFIRPK
       http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/031203/photos_us_rank_afp/031203160056_lvc1fcts_photo0 http://www.arianews.com/iranmap/images/iran56.jpg
       Dec 07, 2003 @ 22:45 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12559. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Mirjaveh: AFIRPK
       And http://www.aims.org.af/country_profile/maps/topomaps_with_background/PH41-09.pdf ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday,
       Dec 07, 2003 @ 22:46 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12560. Dry Tortugas
       Mike, I ve cut out the mounting clutter and re-titled the thread. ... Those TopoZone links never work right for me. After 15 minutes of trying to get to
       Dec 07, 2003 @ 23:55 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12561. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Four Color Maps
       See below. ... From: acroorca2002 To: Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 12:47 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re:
       Dec 08, 2003 @ 00:03 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12562. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Four Color Maps
       ... From: Lowell G. McManus To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Four Color Maps I
       Dec 08, 2003 @ 00:11 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
12563. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Is this Tuzla island?
       Yes. It s the long, narrow island in the left part of the map. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: Jesper Nielsen To:
       Dec 08, 2003 @ 00:36 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12564. Re: Four Color Maps
       ... Zandt s ... internal ... the three ... Supremes as ... waters. ... ok as i say hahahaha you & all the maps could well be right the 3nm regime never enters
       Dec 08, 2003 @ 00:44 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12565. Re: Dry Tortugas
       thanx thats much better & so why would you suppose the cut lines run both ways now ... trying to get ... URL, I gave up ... the Dry ... south ... Atlantic
       Dec 08, 2003 @ 00:47 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12566. Re: Mirjaveh: AFIRPK
       nice shooting yet again champ do you suppose the man in the pic is standing on the tripoint like class a we knew this point was located at a sensitive facility
       Dec 08, 2003 @ 00:56 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12567. Re: IL borders
       http://www.ci.chi.il.us/PlanAndDevelop/PressReleases/obelisk2.html mind you i think some could be found for israel borders too if you really wanted to get into
       Dec 08, 2003 @ 01:06 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12568. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Dry Tortugas
       ... From: m06079 To: Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 6:47 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Dry
       Dec 08, 2003 @ 01:18 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12569. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Four Color Maps
       ... I can t explain why the USGS maps of Cape Flattery lack the 3-nm line seaward. That is curious. However, the one at http://tinyurl.com/y69j clearly shows
       Dec 08, 2003 @ 01:36 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12570. Re: Four Color Maps
       right i knew that but again i dont know that these attributions are correct even if they are in the washington state constitution that way too ... these ...
       Dec 08, 2003 @ 02:01 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12571. Re: yikes
       well that was a capital tetrantipodes celebration both here in cyberspace & on the ground here as well i did indeed find a copy of sailing to philadelphia &
       Dec 08, 2003 @ 02:02 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12572. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Dry Tortugas
       In the decree in UNITED STATES v. FLORIDA, 425 U.S. 791 (1975), the Supreme Court said: _____________________ 5. For the purpose of this decree, the Gulf of
       Dec 08, 2003 @ 03:18 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12573. mxn trip?
       A while ago somebody (it might have been acroorca2002) posted about a trip to visit the northernmost point in mexico, which I guess under our notation would be
       Dec 08, 2003 @ 04:36 - adamnvillani ("adamnvillani" <avillani@...>)
12574. Re: [BoundaryPoint] mxn trip?
       Adam, I ll try to answer your questions that were addressed to me below by mid-week. Some will require a little research, and I ll be away tomorrow. Lowell G.
       Dec 08, 2003 @ 04:51 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12575. Nice photo KGUZ
       http://www.irinnews.org/report.asp?ReportID=37409&SelectRegion=Central_Asia&SelectCountry=KYRGYZSTAN-UZBEKISTAN
       Dec 08, 2003 @ 12:51 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12576. Is this a AFPK marker?
       http://www.redsaway.co.uk/images/Afghan-border-guards.jpg
       Dec 08, 2003 @ 14:05 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12577. Re: mxn trip?
       ... by mid-week. hahahahahaha & much more below ... about a ... under ... all correct & by alphabetizing your diglyphs into say azbcca in the present case your
       Dec 08, 2003 @ 16:38 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12578. Re: Four Color Maps
       actually the usgs is quite inconsistent about showing the 3 mile limits & also about showing county & state lines in the sea it does close the mouths of
       Dec 08, 2003 @ 18:21 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12579. Re: mxn trip?
       ok adam i can confirm from bus&ss that both the 1848 & 1853 mxus treaties referred simply to the middle of both the colorado & gila rivers & as for what the
       Dec 08, 2003 @ 20:35 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12580. Want me to lick you taint
       I love giving a guy a BJ then when he is about to cum I go down and lick his asshole! I know most guys won t admit that they like it but thats ok, we can keep
       Dec 08, 2003 @ 23:53 - shirleyslizut253 ("shirleyslizut253" <shirleyslizut253@...>)
12581. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Want me to lick you taint
       What you propose is only a bi-point, not a tri-point. ... From: shirleyslizut253 [mailto:shirleyslizut253@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 4:53 PM
       Dec 09, 2003 @ 00:20 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
12582. Re: [BoundaryPoint] mxn trip?
       Okay, Adam (plus Mike and anyone else paying attention), I m back. I am inserting my comments below. ... The current 1970 MXUS treaty says that the
       Dec 09, 2003 @ 04:34 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12583. Re: mxn trip?
       ... in both the ... the channel Thanks! That should be a fairly easy point to estimate. ... tripoint; however, ... meandering ... humanly ... One idea is that
       Dec 09, 2003 @ 05:02 - adamnvillani ("adamnvillani" <avillani@...>)
12584. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Four Color Maps
       ... From: m06079 To: Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 12:21 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Four
       Dec 09, 2003 @ 10:01 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12585. Re: mxn trip?
       ... yes but it stands a good chance of being incorrect for why please see below ... be ... yes this was my point too for what i took to be the relevant years
       Dec 09, 2003 @ 17:11 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12586. Re: mxn trip?
       ... I am ... about a ... under ... or ... ways ... where ... in both the ... the channel ... more ... the greater ... these rivers. ... of the channel ...
       Dec 09, 2003 @ 17:52 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12587. Re: Four Color Maps
       ... cape ... no closing ... the mainland ... undoubtedly ... enclaves within ... Alabama waters! why thank you & since one good raise deserves another pan out
       Dec 10, 2003 @ 00:01 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12588. axworthy joins djeret try from british columbia
       respected canadian diplomat swells ranks of tripointing enthusiasts http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N09370441.htm & the more the merrier of course but
       Dec 10, 2003 @ 00:44 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12589. Re: [BoundaryPoint] mxn trip?
       Adam, I visited this spot about a year ago and granted i am not terribly interested in finding the exact point but love knowing i am looking at 3 entities at
       Dec 10, 2003 @ 01:44 - Victor Cantore (Victor Cantore <drpotatoes@yahoo.com>)
12590. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Four Color Maps
       When I sent the URL of the purported federal enclaves, I was looking at the large view that shows all four of them. I have since gotten to the shallow
       Dec 10, 2003 @ 03:32 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12591. Re: Four Color Maps
       ... looking at the ... the shallow ... application of the ... Litigation ... internal waters ... notion, but ... boundary all ... behind the ... fascinating.
       Dec 10, 2003 @ 18:23 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12592. Submerged Lands Act
       United States Code, Title 43, Chapter 29 is entitled Submerged Lands. Below are some salient points that pertain to our interest in boundaries. Subchapter I
       Dec 10, 2003 @ 18:55 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12593. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Four Color Maps
       ... From: m06079 To: Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 12:23 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re:
       Dec 10, 2003 @ 20:01 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12594. Re: mxn trip?
       ... hahaha had a feeling you were more of a triarea man than an actual try pointer doc but thats great too of course as are your directions to greater azbcca
       Dec 10, 2003 @ 20:06 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12595. Re: Four Color Maps
       ... relevant ... anomalies ... coasts ... follows CAUS to ... surely be found ... today; ... the Union ... a line three ... international ... body of water ...
       Dec 10, 2003 @ 20:57 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12596. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Four Color Maps
       ... From: Arif Samad To: Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Four
       Dec 10, 2003 @ 21:58 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
12597. The elusive LAMSUS
       After considerable research, I can describe the location of the LAMSUS tripoint between Louisiana, Mississippi, and federal waters. In their 1985 decision on
       Dec 10, 2003 @ 22:28 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12598. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Four Color Maps
       ... I see what you re saying, but consider this next line from the SLA: Any claim heretofore or hereafter asserted either by constitutional provision,
       Dec 11, 2003 @ 00:03 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12599. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: mxn trip?
       ... I m afraid that I must differ with your assessment that the location of the historic tripoint of Mexico, California, and the New Mexico Territory (between
       Dec 11, 2003 @ 02:15 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12600. Re: mxn trip?
       ... rivers, ... downtown Yuma. I believe you are correct. Checking out the City of Yuma s website shows some old photographs that show Fort Yuma located on the
       Dec 11, 2003 @ 03:22 - adamnvillani ("adamnvillani" <avillani@...>)
12601. Re: The elusive LAMSUS
       wow thanx i needed that & elusive qeds not once but twice in a single afternoon you really are to be congratulated & celebrated lowell & not just for these but
       Dec 11, 2003 @ 01:33 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12602. FW: [roadgeek] 5-county points?
       Hi all, From another list, this question has been posed. I don t remember discussing it here. Anyone know the answer? :) Thanks, Brendan Monroeville, PA USA
       Dec 11, 2003 @ 04:32 - Brendan ("Brendan" <pit.hokie@...>)
12603. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: The elusive LAMSUS
       Aw, shucks! Thanks. It s good to have my day s work appreciated. I ll look into LATXUS next, when I get the time soon. I think I know the answer, but I ll
       Dec 11, 2003 @ 05:06 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12604. Re: [BoundaryPoint] FW: [roadgeek] 5-county points?
       MessageBrendan, There is a five-county multipoint located about six miles from land in Lake Okeechobee in Florida, involving the following counties:
       Dec 11, 2003 @ 15:13 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12605. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: mxn trip?
       ... From: adamnvillani To: Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 9:22 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: mxn
       Dec 11, 2003 @ 15:21 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12606. On Sorgschrofen
       Peers, The trained eye should be able to spot at least two bordermarkers on these lovely pictures from my favorite mountain:
       Dec 11, 2003 @ 19:46 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
12607. Re: FW: [roadgeek] 5-county points?
       Outside the US: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/8911 f.f. Peter S. ... but ... for ... coin, ... after ... may, I ... is ... itself, ...
       Dec 11, 2003 @ 16:00 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
12608. Re: mxn trip?
       ... the ... that ... rivers, ... yes that is the point & the key to your point try as you originally expressed it in message 12573 you were interested in the
       Dec 11, 2003 @ 17:15 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12609. Re: FW: [roadgeek] 5-county points?
       ... well there is an octapoint in sweden called oktahatko with a knockout rock on it shaped like a hat possibly an octacounty or octamunicipal tho i am not
       Dec 11, 2003 @ 17:42 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12610. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: mxn trip?
       Adam, ... Not exactly. The MXUS boundary 1848-1853 descended the Gila to a point at the middle of the Rio Gila where it unites with the Colorado and from
       Dec 11, 2003 @ 16:54 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12611. Re: mxn trip?
       ... the ... now ... website ... bluff ... two ... that ... rivers, ... likely ... odd ... of ... it is. well something has clearly gone awry with the yahoo
       Dec 11, 2003 @ 20:49 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12612. possible correction
       ah good i see at least mats has gotten thru but among the 3 messages i still have hanging in the ether or lost entirely is one in which i continued to
       Dec 11, 2003 @ 21:34 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12613. Re: mxn trip?
       ... rivers, ... point at the ... that point ... Colorado several ... just touched ... tripoint ... why do you say it just touched the south bank why didnt it
       Dec 11, 2003 @ 22:55 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12614. Re: mxn trip?
       ... Excellent! That answers just about all of my questions. Everything depends on weather, time, not being detained by the authorities, etc., but I ll be sure
       Dec 11, 2003 @ 23:30 - adamnvillani ("adamnvillani" <avillani@...>)
12615. Re: FW: [roadgeek] 5-county points?
       Northern Basque Country (France): Erréguélu/Erregelu mountain (municipalities of Macaye (Makea), Mendionde (Lekorne), Ossès (Orzaize), Irissarry (Irisarri),
       Dec 11, 2003 @ 22:37 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
12616. St. Martin Parish, LA
       Hi all, I was filling in my counties on a county counting site and saw that St. Martin parish in Louisiana exists in two seperate pieces. Are there any other
       Dec 12, 2003 @ 02:47 - Brendan ("Brendan" <pit.hokie@...>)
12617. Re: [BoundaryPoint] St. Martin Parish, LA
       MessageBrendan, Also see West Feliciana Parish, Louisiana! There are quite a number of fragmented counties in the USA. See the full list, plus lots of other
       Dec 12, 2003 @ 02:59 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12618. Re: St. Martin Parish, LA
       I found a couple while filling out my counties as well. Norfolk County, MA, has at least three disjoint parts. I can t tell if its neighbor Suffolk County has
       Dec 12, 2003 @ 04:42 - Eric Choate ("Eric Choate" <choatune@...>)
12619. Re: [BoundaryPoint] St. Martin Parish, LA
       Michigan has several examples as well. There are also scattered uninhabited islands close to shore, but these are the larger fragments: Isle Royale to
       Dec 12, 2003 @ 16:45 - Tom (Tom <hilversum96@...>)
12620. Re: mxn trip?
       ok forget my comments about the thalwegs which i have deleted from my question below since they wouldnt have applied here in the 19th century in any case doh
       Dec 12, 2003 @ 17:46 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12621. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: mxn trip?
       Mike, Only the records of the 1849 survey would tell us just exactly where in the confluence of the Gila and the Colorado that the initial point of the
       Dec 12, 2003 @ 22:40 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12622. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: St. Martin Parish, LA
       Yes, Windsor County is wholly connected to the little extension west of Robinson VT ... From: Eric Choate [mailto:choatune@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, December
       Dec 13, 2003 @ 01:22 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
12623. RE: [BoundaryPoint] St. Martin Parish, LA
       However, the peninsula near Toledo that s in Michigan and accessible by land only through Ohio is not an enclave of Monroe County. It s got a continuous border
       Dec 13, 2003 @ 01:25 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
12624. Re: [BoundaryPoint] St. Martin Parish, LA
       The full list I found is to be found at http://members.aol.com/marismits/UsCtyGeo.htm site. I checked Suffolk county. There is no enclave, but there is two
       Dec 13, 2003 @ 16:24 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
12625. Re: mxn trip?
       ok lowell thanx thats what i thought you thought & this odd number thesis of yours whether of a single or threefold or for that matter why not even quintuple
       Dec 13, 2003 @ 18:08 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12626. ES-FR Condominia?
       Friends, At http://www.ethnia.org/inc/fiche.php?ask=ES=FR=-EP there are (at the bottom) links to five alleged ES-FR condominia. We have discussed the Faisans
       Dec 13, 2003 @ 19:50 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
12627. SBAs ARE UK
       http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_Base_Areas_of_Akrotiri_and_Dhekelia_in_Cyprus
       Dec 13, 2003 @ 20:52 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12628. Enclaves
       http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_international_enclaves#Enclaves_with_L egal_Status
       Dec 13, 2003 @ 20:54 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12629. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ES-FR Condominia?
       http://www.ethnia.org/inc/structure.php?ask=ES just little more information... ... From: Ernst Stavro Blofeld To: boundarypoint@groups.yahoo.com Sent:
       Dec 14, 2003 @ 01:10 - chris ("chris" <23568@...>)
12630. Supreme Court MD-VA decision & St. Barts News
       Two items from the Washington Post over the last few days: a. Maryland lost total internal sovereignty over the Potomac River waters when the court decided
       Dec 14, 2003 @ 01:30 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
12631. Mxn trip partially successful
       Well, my trip to the southeast corner of California and the vicinity is complete and was more or less successful. I won t know for sure until I develop the
       Dec 14, 2003 @ 08:09 - adamnvillani ("adamnvillani" <avillani@...>)
12632. on BTCHIN
       http://www.frontlineonnet.com/fl2014/stories/20030718005201800.htm
       Dec 14, 2003 @ 20:24 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12633. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: mxn trip?
       Mike, My odd-number thesis is based on the requirements of reality. The number could not be even. I only mentioned once and thrice because higher quantities
       Dec 14, 2003 @ 21:27 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12634. Re: mxn trip?
       thanx very much for this detailed analysis computer time scarce in the desert today so i will respond in more detail tomorrow but i wanted to report also that
       Dec 14, 2003 @ 21:53 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12635. Re: mxn trip?
       oops the important part thanx to the border guard i smuggled a joint into mexico & then back into the usa more tomorrow ... parked ... The ... Gila, ... the
       Dec 14, 2003 @ 21:58 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12636. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: mxn trip?
       I have found the description below of the fixing of the initial point of the geodesic by the boundary commissioners in the 1849 survey. This is excerpted from
       Dec 14, 2003 @ 23:00 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12637. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: mxn trip?
       Arizona and California completely redid their boundary from Nevada to Mexico in an interstate compact in 1963. Read it at http://tinyurl.com/z8hk . In this
       Dec 15, 2003 @ 00:23 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12638. Finding MENHUS
       A few days ago, after I had found LAMSUS, Mike challenged me to assist with two ... I have given some attention to MENHUS, something about which I knew nothing
       Dec 15, 2003 @ 06:27 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12639. Cyprus vote result not creating a "done deal"
       From today s news reports, it appears that the Turkish-Cypriot vote on which the unification depends and which would lead to changes in borders of UK bases on
       Dec 15, 2003 @ 17:31 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
12640. Re: Finding MENHUS
       ... assist with two ... well but first please understand you may well have felt challenged & indeed even been challenged by this puzzle which i did indeed
       Dec 15, 2003 @ 17:58 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12641. Re: mxn trip?
       ... to Mexico in ... yes & now at last we are returning to the original question as to whether modern mxn azbcca is the same point as 1848bccanm1853 for this
       Dec 15, 2003 @ 18:33 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12642. Re: Mxn trip partially successful
       ... vicinity ... you ... a ... an ... this monument like all direct or true border markers actually marks the border itself & thus not just the mexican side of
       Dec 15, 2003 @ 19:33 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12643. Re: ES-FR Condominia?
       it would be nice to get to the bottom of all these & particularly to learn whether they include the bidasoa estuary condo by a different name & if not then why
       Dec 15, 2003 @ 19:52 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12644. Re: ES-FR Condominia?
       More on the faceries et al.: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/1569 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/1846 Peter S. ...
       Dec 15, 2003 @ 19:59 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
12645. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Finding MENHUS
       Mike, I didn t mean challenge in the sense that you must have taken it. I meant it as a motivation and inspiration toward a positive accomplishment, not a
       Dec 15, 2003 @ 20:06 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12646. Re: Finding MENHUS
       ok i dont see how you can use your time better than by enjoying it tho i do appreciate you are oriented toward work & productivity even if our multipointing
       Dec 15, 2003 @ 21:35 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12647. ghost memorial to a ghost rock of an abortive mxus
       those of you who have been following the progress of mxus between 1848 & 1853 with us this past week may have noticed the passage on p28 in the bible under the
       Dec 15, 2003 @ 22:19 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12648. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Finding MENHUS
       Mike, There is often more of both work and play than the time available for each. Therefore, time of both sorts must needs be used as productively as possible.
       Dec 15, 2003 @ 23:39 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12649. La Aguera
       Hi, does anyone know more exactly facts about La Aguera? http://i-cias.com/morocco/x_gouera.htm I add maps. Regards, Chris
       Dec 16, 2003 @ 02:10 - chris ("chris" <23568@gmx.de>)
12650. LATXUS nailed!
       In a decree dated May 16, 1977 (431 U.S. 161), the Supreme Court held: ___________________ That the offshore lateral boundary between the States of Texas and
       Dec 16, 2003 @ 02:53 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12651. PRVI
       ... I, also, assume that this remains undone, but I can tell you exactly how it would be done. The first paragraph of Article 12 of the Convention on the
       Dec 16, 2003 @ 03:50 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12652. RE: [BoundaryPoint] ES-FR Condominia?
       the photograph is not of the Faisans Island ... From: Ernst Stavro Blofeld [mailto:blofeld_es@yahoo.com] Sent: 13 December 2003 19:51 To:
       Dec 16, 2003 @ 10:12 - Bill Burke ("Bill Burke" <billb@...>)
12653. Re: ES-FR Condominia?
       Yes, and the pics to the other so-called condominia don t have anything to do with them either. As for the quality of the information on that site I would say:
       Dec 16, 2003 @ 10:18 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
12654. Re: [BoundaryPoint] La Aguera
       Hi, I remember there s an article in the Scott Stamp Monthly, a stamp collector s publication on this area sometimes back. Your link to the articlesuggests
       Dec 16, 2003 @ 11:28 - Richard Lam ("Richard Lam" <richardlam11@...>)
12655. RE: [BoundaryPoint] St. Martin Parish, LA
       for years i lived in brookline, massachusetts, (norfolk county) which is pretty much surrounded by boston (suffolk county). plenty of times i would go on my
       Dec 16, 2003 @ 14:29 - Beckett, Bob ("Beckett, Bob" <bob.beckett@...>)
12656. Re: Finding MENHUS
       ... for each. ... possible. thanx lowell i will remember your principled imperative & particularly your extremism about it bravo & please know also that in my
       Dec 16, 2003 @ 17:13 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
12657. Re: PRVI
       ... figuring ... with ... exactly how it ... yes i think this is exactly how it would be done if pr & vi were independent countries but this is an internal
       Dec 16, 2003 @ 17:12 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
12658. Re: ghost memorial to a ghost rock of an abortive mxus
       first the full excerpt from the bible p28 under first mexican cession as follows the most difficult question that came before the 1849 mxus commission for
       Dec 16, 2003 @ 18:01 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
12659. Re: ES-FR Condominia?
       have enjoyed rereading these & seeing your subsequent comments & so how many distinct esfr condos do you suppose there really are in all
       Dec 16, 2003 @ 18:20 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
12660. CY boundary crosses
       The CY districts boundaries cross into the Sovereign Base Areas and also into the UN and TRNC areas, which particulary at the SBAs make several boundary
       Dec 16, 2003 @ 20:09 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12661. Re: ghost memorial to a ghost rock of an abortive mxus
       notice useless enjoyment following a third & best & perhaps final try for the ghost of the mxus abortion rock this afternoon has indeed also turned up nothing
       Dec 16, 2003 @ 23:49 - barbaria_longa@hotmail.com (barbaria_longa@...)
12662. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: PRVI
       Mike, Even though the Convention on the Contiguous Zone, etc. was intended for international boundaries, it has been officially anointed by the Supremes as
       Dec 17, 2003 @ 04:54 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12663. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ghost memorial to a ghost rock of an abortive mxus
       Mike, Many such survey parties hauled into the field a pre-engraved rock for placement at the appropriate spot. After this line was repudiated, perhaps they
       Dec 17, 2003 @ 05:34 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12664. Re: PRVI
       ... intended for ... Supremes as ... boundaries. ... have not ... claims; but if ... to American ... would be ... claims? Is the ... cant definitely answer
       Dec 17, 2003 @ 16:30 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
12665. Re: ghost memorial to a ghost rock of an abortive mxus
       ... for placement ... they removed ... i would give your removal idea more than a perhaps since i am unaware of any standing bogus rock anywhere in the world &
       Dec 17, 2003 @ 17:08 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
12666. the thalweg principle & questions of navigability
       tho i cant cite sources i am sure i have seen at least several writers on boundary law comment that in the absence of explicit agreement to the contrary there
       Dec 17, 2003 @ 18:30 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
12667. Re: CY boundary crosses
       not sure i get it yet are you saying these crossing boundaries merely resemble what we have been calling boundary crosses or are a new & different sort of
       Dec 17, 2003 @ 18:46 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
12668. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: PRVI
       The Submerged Lands Act says that it applies to any State of the Union. Federal law at 48 U.S.C. 749 (in the title on Territories and Insular Possessions )
       Dec 17, 2003 @ 19:27 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12669. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CY boundary crosses
       All right it might be a different type of boundary cross. See http://www.nicolette.dk/diverse/cybx.gif. Red/white thick line is offcourse the boundaries of the
       Dec 17, 2003 @ 20:30 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12670. Re: PRVI
       ... Union. ... Insular ... of the ... the ... to ... was the day ... the purchase ... of Puerto ... are Danish. ... covered ... and ... be, ... thereof. ...
       Dec 17, 2003 @ 20:51 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
12671. Re: CY boundary crosses
       didnt the brits agree to give some of the sbas back to a reconstituted european republic of cyprus or something perhaps like that may be the point but what i
       Dec 17, 2003 @ 21:08 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
12672. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CY boundary crosses
       The Brits did made such promises, but the maps I have of Cyprus are well before the UN Cyprus peace plan. And they all show this boundary line. Jesper ...
       Dec 17, 2003 @ 21:13 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12673. Re: CY boundary crosses
       so it appears you are indicating in at least 1 case a later border has crossed & trumped an earlier one which in itself is not so strange especially in
       Dec 17, 2003 @ 22:37 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
12674. border jail clave breakout afoot
       finally & probably illegally joined the las cruces public library today so i can get online on days when the state university library is closed without pawning
       Dec 18, 2003 @ 01:33 - barbaria_longa@hotmail.com (barbaria_longa@...)
12675. ISO code history
       http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-3
       Dec 18, 2003 @ 06:00 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12676. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ISO code history
       Jesper, ... One caveat is that CS may yet be revoked from Serbia and Montenegro. CS was of course the code for Czechoslovakia, which although gone, is
       Dec 18, 2003 @ 09:54 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
12677. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CY boundary crosses
       ... Only about 20% of the total SBA area is actually used by the UK Ministry of Defence. The plan is to return 45 square miles (just under 50%) to Cyprus, most
       Dec 18, 2003 @ 10:09 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
12678. Re: border jail clave breakout afoot
       began the smuggling route probe as predicted at daybreak thinking to steal up toward the border patrol post in the glare of the sunrise & surprised myself to
       Dec 18, 2003 @ 16:58 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12679. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CY boundary crosses
       The CY district of Famagusta/Ammochostos is very effecient and here is their reply to the issue: Yes, part of the Sovereign British Areas is located within the
       Dec 18, 2003 @ 18:50 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12680. Re: border jail clave breakout afoot
       ok i got a xerox of the delorme new mexico road atlas page since printing off the internet is practically impossible at both libraries & i think i even spotted
       Dec 18, 2003 @ 19:00 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12681. Cyprus map 1:150000
       http://www.pio.gov.cy/cyprus/maps/images/cymap_eng.pdf
       Dec 18, 2003 @ 23:24 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12682. Re: border jail clave breakout afoot
       ok i am back at the university again following a second round trip journey to radium springs today a bit wiser but none the worse for wear & after finally
       Dec 18, 2003 @ 23:53 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12683. Re: border jail clave breakout afoot
       an important & unusual detail of the bird divination i neglected to report yesterday & then i will consider my breakout try officially suspended class e is
       Dec 19, 2003 @ 15:47 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12684. R.I. commission holds first meeting on disputed border
       This story was sent to you by: m both sides in ctmari etc dispute looking lackadaisical ... R.I. commission holds first meeting on disputed border ... By
       Dec 19, 2003 @ 16:08 - moc.il@li.com (moc.il@...)
12685. A Page From allAfrica.com
       ... SENDPAGE SERVICE -- ALLAFRICA.COM The following page link has been sent to you by one of our readers. AllAfrica offers this facility as a service to our
       Dec 19, 2003 @ 16:18 - moc.il@li.com (moc.il@...)
12686. Norway extends zone around Svalbard
       Norway has extended a marine conservation zone around the Svalbard Islands from 4 nm to 12 nm. See the full story at http://tinyurl.com/3yanr . Lowell G.
       Dec 19, 2003 @ 19:41 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12687. worlds first reported tripointing joke
       about a third of the way down this page http://www.textfiles.com/humor/JOKES/jokin-17.txt beginning with a hunter from out east was stalking ducks near
       Dec 19, 2003 @ 23:35 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12688. djeret & eretsd tripoints effectively downgraded to de facto military trilines
       tho a gigantic step backwards on our merry way to djeret & eretsd i guess this news is billed as a positive development because it basically stops any further
       Dec 20, 2003 @ 17:47 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12689. Re: djeret & eretsd tripoints effectively downgraded to de facto military trilines
       6 minute squares werent they or tenths of a degree ... of
       Dec 20, 2003 @ 17:57 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12690. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: djeret & eretsd tripoints effectively downgraded to de facto military trilines
       actually 079 i think orc was right the first time there 6 seconds or tenths of a minute per the world court & still subject to further refinement by the survey
       Dec 21, 2003 @ 20:20 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12691. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Norway extends zone around Svalbard
       So tinyurl has stepped up to 5 characters. should be good for another 60 million urls or so. ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up
       Dec 22, 2003 @ 06:12 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
12692. Re: [BoundaryPoint] On Sorgschrofen
       This reminds me - did we ever figure out the exact location of the binational qp at marker 110? Either: 1. The black x painted/etched into the rock, 2. the
       Dec 22, 2003 @ 06:21 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
12693. Re: Norway extends zone around Svalbard
       haha easily 60 even without thinking of using 6 characters & being even more fruitful & multiple & oops no longer quite so tiny & drab lavs was i ere i saw
       Dec 22, 2003 @ 16:25 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12694. chnmtx chnmso aznmso
       seeing the rio bone dry at mesilla yesterday where people were driving across without using the bridge i couldnt help looking over my shoulder toward chnmtx
       Dec 23, 2003 @ 17:53 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12695. Forwarded Article: Mexican Troops Fire on U.S. Border Watchers
       The following article has been forwarded to you from NewsMax.com. To visit NewsMax.com, point your browser to http://www.newsmax.com. ... Forwarded by: m
       Dec 24, 2003 @ 01:02 - moc.il@li.com (moc.il@...)
12696. Re: [BoundaryPoint] chnmtx chnmso aznmso
       ... While you re so near, why don t you pay a visit to the headquarters of the US Section of the International Boundary and Water Commission? It s located in
       Dec 24, 2003 @ 01:01 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12697. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Norway extends zone around Svalbard
       Nice! This reminds me, MX-US has its own drab lavs: http://www.urinal.net/san_ysidro/ ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up
       Dec 24, 2003 @ 03:57 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
12698. All the best!
       
       Dec 24, 2003 @ 06:45 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
12699. Re: chnmtx chnmso aznmso
       hahaha but i have visits with the border patrol all the time better if the ibwc could facilitate nonvisits with them for me hahaha & yes it certainly might be
       Dec 24, 2003 @ 18:01 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12700. Re: Norway extends zone around Svalbard
       hahahaha drab lavs nicer as a rec in svalbard hahaha nicer than say such vivid ones as these in california i mean nice as they are mike & albeit for such
       Dec 24, 2003 @ 18:20 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12701. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: chnmtx chnmso aznmso
       Mike, I m sorry that I was less than clear. I was suggesting that the IWBC might arrange with the Border Patrol for you to be permitted to visit the
       Dec 25, 2003 @ 02:08 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12702. Re: chnmtx chnmso aznmso
       thanx lowell you are a true friend to lay all this out for me so nicely & i am glad to say i agree with you here more than i dont but before getting into our
       Dec 26, 2003 @ 23:07 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12703. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: chnmtx chnmso aznmso
       Mike, I m glad to assist. I really enjoy this stuff. I will insert some thoughts below. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: acroorca2002
       Dec 27, 2003 @ 04:52 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12704. Re: chnmtx chnmso aznmso
       ... good we are a great combo me too below ... rio ... tripoints, but ... Rio Grande (as ... the largest ... would only ... other mid-rank ... Rio/Ciudad
       Dec 27, 2003 @ 17:48 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12705. Re: chnmtx chnmso aznmso
       interesting you can see all the way to marker 102 on the topo & 3 unnumbered markers beyond it presumably 103 & 104 & 105 but then the nmtx ceases to look
       Dec 27, 2003 @ 17:55 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12706. Re: Norway extends zone around Svalbard
       drab lavs draw otter bret toward svalbard drab lavs draw otter a bacardi sidra cabaret toward svalbard but no time to explain
       Dec 27, 2003 @ 17:58 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12707. Back from Cyprus
       Hi all guys Just returned from Cyprus - stay tuned for the best guide to Cyprus borders - well..... SOON. http://www.nicolette.dk/diverse/nicosia.gif is taken
       Dec 27, 2003 @ 18:23 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12708. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Back from Cyprus
       This is how the lookout post looks like: http://www.meynell.com/cyprus/lidra-street.jpg ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Cc: IBRG
       Dec 27, 2003 @ 18:58 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12709. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: chnmtx chnmso aznmso
       Mike, I m going to select some salient points and insert my responses: ... Oh, I m all for the maximum possible precision. Whenever we don t have the
       Dec 27, 2003 @ 23:11 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12710. Re: ghost memorial to a ghost rock of an abortive mxus
       but it keeps getting better yesterday as i was heading here to radium springs by a new route slipping north from las cruces a good mile west of the rio i
       Dec 28, 2003 @ 20:43 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12711. Brandon gone??
       Brandon de-registered from the group. I tried to email him off-group , but the messages come back undeliverable from the address I have. Anyone heard from
       Dec 29, 2003 @ 04:30 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
12712. India-Bangladesh fence
       The story here: http://www.keralanext.com/news/index.asp?id=21823 Doug
       Dec 29, 2003 @ 16:10 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
12713. Re: [BoundaryPoint] India-Bangladesh fence
       As a rule, any fence along an international border has to be erected at least 150 yards from the actual borderline. Says who? ... From: Doug Murray
       Dec 29, 2003 @ 18:09 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12714. phoenix az
       i am risen again & am now back in the regular usa after 30 days at las cruces my bag intact thanx to jeff & david of smugglers spa who even endured momentary
       Dec 29, 2003 @ 18:14 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12715. Re: [BoundaryPoint] India-Bangladesh fence
       Good point. Perhaps such a clause is buried deep in the agreement between the two countries. Such a rule has never been evident anywhere during our border
       Dec 29, 2003 @ 18:30 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
12716. cyncuk
       From a 1:50 000 tourist map. I know it s a poor attempt, for it s cyukune and ncukune. I didn t try to visit any of the four tripoints as my maps where no
       Dec 29, 2003 @ 20:42 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
12717. PAL-PAL(ISR)
       http://pics.jp.dk/nybillede/default.asp?id=1456&pixid=17583
       Dec 29, 2003 @ 20:49 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12718. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
       Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File :
       Dec 29, 2003 @ 23:36 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com (BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com )
12719. Re: [BoundaryPoint] PAL-PAL(ISR)
       first thing i thought, when i saw the domain, wow, jesper has got a very smart webadress - www.jp.dk for JesPer ... regards, chris ... From: Jesper Nielsen
       Dec 30, 2003 @ 00:52 - chris ("chris" <23568@...>)
12720. US and Mexican governors to talk Rio Grande water
       http://www.dfw.com/mld/startelegram/news/state/7592531.htm
       Dec 30, 2003 @ 04:18 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12721. DC return of land to Alexandria - the why.
       This is part of the text that resulted in Lowell uploading a file of history on DC to the Boundary Point file library: In 1846, a citizen s referendum
       Dec 30, 2003 @ 18:00 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
12722. coalinga ca
       no apologies for even being beside the point here any more jesper since only you even distinguish nonmultipointedness from multipointedness in your tries any
       Dec 30, 2003 @ 19:07 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12723. Happy New Year
       Happy New Year from Denmark. Encloced a photo from Cyprus. I am still working on my report, but it s expected ready next year. Jesper
       Dec 31, 2003 @ 14:46 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
12724. Re: Happy New Year
       thanx pal & a happy old year still too from garberville ca where i even expect to bag my next point of weed this year & where all is well
       Dec 31, 2003 @ 18:26 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12725. Boris Gleb
       Is Boris Gleb a Russian enclave within northern Norway? Does anyone have a fabulously detailed map they could kindly scan in please? I do not have a map
       Dec 31, 2003 @ 21:01 - Craig ("Craig" <trehala@...>)
12726. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Boris Gleb
       There is a web page in German at http://www.barentssafari.no/turdes-d.htm and in Norwegian at http://www.barentssafari.no/turdes-n.htm with some text about a
       Dec 31, 2003 @ 22:16 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12727. FINORU
       The Norway-Russian border commision on FIRU and FINORU: http://www.grensekom.no/treriks.php Jesper
       Jan 01, 2004 @ 16:43 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12728. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Boris Gleb
       http://www.grensekom.no/grensekart%20186-211.php ... From: Craig To: Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003
       Jan 01, 2004 @ 16:47 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12729. Re: Boris Gleb
       It looks like the Russian Pasvikelva left bank at Borisoglebskaja isn t reachable from the rest of Russia but by crossing the Pasvikelva. But there is a bridge
       Jan 01, 2004 @ 20:07 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
12730. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Boris Gleb
       I don t think that s a bridge, but rather a dam with a roadway on it. The following is quoted from the International Boundary Study ( ... and the Soviet Union
       Jan 01, 2004 @ 22:45 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12731. Boris Gleb
       If you want to view the English language website of the Norweigen company that does tours around the border area of Boris Gleb go to
       Jan 02, 2004 @ 01:41 - kontikipaul ("kontikipaul" <contikipaul@...>)
12732. Texas panhandle - 3 miles into New Mexico(?)
       I have recently read several articles about New Mexico s belief that the Texas panhandle encroaches into New Mexico s territory because of a faulty survey.
       Jan 02, 2004 @ 15:19 - voit1 ("voit1" <voit1@...>)
12733. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Texas panhandle - 3 miles into New Mexico(?)
       New Mexico has no chance whatsoever of getting the Texas boundary moved. None! The statutory boundary is the 103rd meridian. This line was surveyed in 1859
       Jan 02, 2004 @ 16:07 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12734. Re: Texas panhandle - 3 miles into New Mexico(?)
       New Mexico has zero chance. Texas is one of two states who have the right to leave the union at any time and as someone from the smallest state in the union
       Jan 03, 2004 @ 02:01 - kontikipaul ("kontikipaul" <contikipaul@...>)
12735. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Texas panhandle - 3 miles into New Mexico(?)
       With all due respect, the notion that Texas (or any other state) has a special right to leave the Union at will is a myth. It is true that Texas was once an
       Jan 03, 2004 @ 03:06 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12736. Re: [BoundaryPoint] FINORU
       NICE! Lets go there and get arrested! ... ...
       Jan 03, 2004 @ 03:53 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
12737. Re: Texas panhandle - 3 miles into New Mexico(?)
       Texas and Vermont, upon once both being independant countries and joining the Union were both given the right to leave the Union. I m not a constitutional
       Jan 03, 2004 @ 04:21 - kontikipaul ("kontikipaul" <contikipaul@...>)
12738. New Cyprus tripoints uncovered
       The demarcation line and buffer zone is very clear on this Nicosia municipality map: http://www.cyprus-un-plan.org/MapofNicosia.pdf The download is very heavy
       Jan 03, 2004 @ 09:23 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12739. Re: Texas panhandle - 3 miles into New Mexico(?)
       ... sold ... Who s ... So ... labor ... to ... you ... you ll ... No allowance exists for Texas to return to independence. from:
       Jan 03, 2004 @ 22:57 - voit1 ("voit1" <voit1@...>)
12740. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Texas panhandle - 3 miles into New Mexico (?)
       Vermont considered itself an independent republic after colonial US independence, but it was also claimed by both New York and New Hampshire; NY at one time
       Jan 05, 2004 @ 03:25 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
12741. Re: Texas panhandle - 3 miles into New Mexico(?)
       None.
       Jan 05, 2004 @ 13:50 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
12742. Re: Texas panhandle - 3 miles into New Mexico(?)
       crystal river fl hahahahaha well i slept on this one too you guys even as you were discussing it & even tho it was a no brainer i mean i slept not on the
       Jan 05, 2004 @ 15:15 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12743. 2004 bp inaugural tour
       the idea of making a multidimensional inaugural tour of the new year is not new back in 98 for example as in 19&98 i spent new years week traveling united
       Jan 05, 2004 @ 18:15 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12744. Re: chnmtx chnmso aznmso
       ... bp ... available ... think of ... have the ... precisely as ... well this was not what my point was about & i dont agree we must do anything of the sort in
       Jan 06, 2004 @ 01:44 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12745. Re: New Cyprus tripoints uncovered
       ok this really is news to the world of tripointing til now we believed the cia maps which indicate the 4 de facto tripoints of 3 primary entities in matched
       Jan 06, 2004 @ 15:14 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12746. Re: PAL-PAL(ISR)
       yes & the first thing i thought was & still think is what the freak is this anyway silly of me again but so far all i can think of is that it may just be yet
       Jan 06, 2004 @ 15:57 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12747. Border fence 150 yards back
       A few messages back, an article was reproduced (or a link was made) which stated that border fences between India-Bangladesh had to be no closer than 150 yards
       Jan 06, 2004 @ 19:44 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
12748. Cyprus in EU and Schengen
       Here is a reply I received from EU enlargement office about Cyprus, EU and Schengen. I believe this might be of interest to some of you: The whole island of
       Jan 06, 2004 @ 19:49 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12749. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: New Cyprus tripoints uncovered
       On the lovely detailed Nicosia map there are several such tripoints, and it s very surprising to find a greek-turkish boundary outside the buffer zone. And so
       Jan 06, 2004 @ 20:10 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12750. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cyprus in EU and Schengen
       Jesper, ... Hmmm.. that would complicate things given that there are currently no border controls between the SBAs and the rest of Cyprus (at least the Greek
       Jan 06, 2004 @ 21:26 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
12751. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cyprus in EU and Schengen
       My thoughs, too. But aren t there also other de facto internal Schengen borders like Andorra, San Marino, Monaco, Büsingen etc.? Jesper ... From: Kevin
       Jan 06, 2004 @ 21:45 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12752. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New Cyprus tripoints uncovered
       Jesper, ... It s not completely clear from the map, but I would think the most obvious tripoint is at the Roccas bastion where the Turkish and Greek sectors
       Jan 06, 2004 @ 21:47 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
12753. Re: New Cyprus tripoints uncovered
       very nice so these sure look & sound like the real article we just hadnt seen good enough maps til now indeed these finds & reports throw our entire de facto
       Jan 06, 2004 @ 22:12 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12754. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New Cyprus tripoints uncovered
       I like Roccas bastion as well. You could get a good look at the Holy Cross Church there, but the presence Turkish soldiers was blocking my chance for a photo.
       Jan 06, 2004 @ 22:18 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12755. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: New Cyprus tripoints uncovered
       Yes, we need to get the lines sorted out, and is there really a well defined thin green line. I would like to see similar maps for other areas as well. And
       Jan 06, 2004 @ 22:26 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12756. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: New Cyprus tripoints uncovered
       In December 1963, the city became the scene of intercommunal riots and clashes, as a result of Ankara s policy, which aimed at the self-enclavement of Turkish
       Jan 06, 2004 @ 22:30 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12757. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: New Cyprus tripoints uncovered
       This must be the founder of the Green Line: http://www.aim25.ac.uk/cgi-bin/search2?coll_id=257&inst_id=21
       Jan 06, 2004 @ 22:38 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12758. Re: Brandon gone??
       but you must mean brendan len the same brendan whose thesis you bought & whose fence specs you just recited not the other brendan of course but maybe he just
       Jan 06, 2004 @ 22:42 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12759. Re: Brandon gone??
       Yep, still lurking and keeping my hand in when I can Mike. I finally found a work around regarding Yahoo s absurd way of handling the graphics on the home
       Jan 06, 2004 @ 22:53 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
12760. Re: Norway extends zone around Svalbard
       apologies to mike & lowell & anyone else for what may have seemed like impertinence at the time but what this week old message attached below was was just a
       Jan 06, 2004 @ 22:57 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12761. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Norway extends zone around Svalbard
       No problem here. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: m06079 To: Sent: Tuesday,
       Jan 07, 2004 @ 00:06 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12762. Re: Texas panhandle - 3 miles into New Mexico(?)
       ... sold ... Who s ... well it might have been funny to see an adoptive rhode islander testing this question with an adoptive texan i mean speaking as an
       Jan 07, 2004 @ 01:39 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12763. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Brandon gone??
       Hmmm... I was wondering the same since I don t recall any Brandon on the list. I think Mike is onto something - the thesis Brendan has been AWOL for a while.
       Jan 07, 2004 @ 03:29 - Brendan ("Brendan" <pit.hokie@...>)
12764. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Texas panhandle - 3 miles into New Mexico(?)
       Just think of the tripointing possibilities... :) Brendan ... From: m06079 [mailto:barbaria_longa@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 8:39 PM To:
       Jan 07, 2004 @ 03:34 - Brendan ("Brendan" <pit.hokie@...>)
12765. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Texas panhandle - 3 miles into New Mexico(?)
       Mike, When Van Zandt is right (almost all of the time), I m with him. When I disagree, I say so. ANY state may subdivide itself into any number of smaller
       Jan 07, 2004 @ 04:24 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12766. Re: Brandon gone?? Brendan, too.
       Maybe my spelling is why my emails came back. Thanks for the catalyst. It is the thesis Brendan whose email was on the unsubscribe note I got. LN
       Jan 07, 2004 @ 04:36 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
12767. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Texas panhandle - 3 miles into New Mexico (?)
       Hmmm.... it would be interesting to know if Van Zandt is related to Isaac Van Zandt, who according to your link was the chief proponent in 1847 of splitting
       Jan 07, 2004 @ 05:18 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
12768. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Texas panhandle - 3 miles into New Mexico(?)
       I noted that, myself. There is a Van Zandt County, along Interstate 20 two counties east of Dallas. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From:
       Jan 07, 2004 @ 05:41 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12769. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Texas panhandle - 3 miles into New Mexico(?)
       Lowell, ... This is fascinating stuff - I had no idea that there had been so many attempts to divide Texas, and relatively recently as well. Regards, Kevin
       Jan 07, 2004 @ 12:02 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
12770. Re: Texas panhandle - 3 miles into New Mexico(?)
       thanx lowell very nice i knew there was perhaps some basis for this belief of texans & now i see how strong it is but i think van zandt is right in saying
       Jan 07, 2004 @ 16:33 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12771. Re: Brandon gone??
       wonderful & reassuring that at least 1 of us knows how to fly this crate thought of you this morning too as a rare incoming flight at the airport here treated
       Jan 07, 2004 @ 16:56 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12772. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Texas panhandle - 3 miles into New Mexico(?)
       Mike, ... Regardless of any of our other differences of interpretation or opinion, I ll certainly grant you this one! Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana,
       Jan 07, 2004 @ 17:41 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12773. Re: Texas panhandle - 3 miles into New Mexico(?)
       ... sold ... Who s ... So ... not really as they consider themselves & are generally considered an independent country albeit with a special relationship to
       Jan 07, 2004 @ 17:52 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12774. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Texas panhandle - 3 miles into New Mexico (?)
       ... From: m06079 [mailto:barbaria_longa@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 9:34 AM To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re:
       Jan 07, 2004 @ 19:19 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
12775. Morocco-Algeria
       I am trying to track down some information on a ghost town on the ... Does anyone have anything to add? Cheers! Doug
       Jan 08, 2004 @ 00:22 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
12776. Re: Texas panhandle - 3 miles into New Mexico (?)
       ah kevin but as usual you are altering what i said in order to disagree with me no problem but it is quite vivid in this case & so i would add that any
       Jan 08, 2004 @ 16:10 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12777. Re: Morocco-Algeria
       ... our ... west ... town ... Morroco/Algerian ... natural font ...   ... yes why do you ask or what is your quest about or for
       Jan 08, 2004 @ 16:15 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12778. Re: Morocco-Algeria
       ... miles ... 50s. ... http://www.raingod.com/angus/Gallery/Photos/Africa/Morocco/ErgChebbi.h tml
       Jan 08, 2004 @ 16:45 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12779. schroeder to join djeret try this month
       in http://allafrica.com/stories/200401080037.html in fact a pretty good review of eret 2003 tho it doesnt mention qaddafi & is unaware that axworthy has
       Jan 08, 2004 @ 17:00 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12780. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Texas panhandle - 3 miles into New Mexico (?)
       I absolutely didn t alter anything you said, sir. My point was to highlight that Texas has specific approval language already built into its admission process
       Jan 08, 2004 @ 17:08 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
12781. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Texas panhandle - 3 miles into New Mexico (?)
       I have to agree with Kevin. Mike, the admission of Texas in 1845 WAS highly contentious THEN, but that s how it went down--with the pre-approved Congressional
       Jan 08, 2004 @ 17:10 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12782. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Texas panhandle - 3 miles into New Mexico (?)
       I have to agree with Kevin. Mike, the admission of Texas in 1845 WAS highly contentious THEN, but that s how it went down--with the pre-approved Congressional
       Jan 08, 2004 @ 17:10 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12783. Re: Texas panhandle - 3 miles into New Mexico (?)
       really its ok kevin but look below & see that you did indicate i concluded something which in fact i merely expressed as an appearance or as how something
       Jan 08, 2004 @ 19:39 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12784. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Texas panhandle - 3 miles into New Mexico (?)
       ... a distinction with no apparent difference, I would say. It s ok. All I meant to do was to reinforce what I thought was a clear circumstance setting Texas
       Jan 08, 2004 @ 19:45 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
12785. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Texas panhandle - 3 miles into New Mexico (?)
       Well, we ve each stated our own arguments about twice all around, and we still disagree. Such is life! Let s get over it. It would be interesting to find Van
       Jan 08, 2004 @ 21:23 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12786. Re: Texas panhandle - 3 miles into New Mexico (?)
       yes thanx i agree no matter but there is all the difference in the world between what i said & meant on the one hand & what you said i said on the other as
       Jan 08, 2004 @ 22:03 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12787. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Texas panhandle - 3 miles into New Mexico (?)
       Egad. I cannot follow you here. Your writing style loses me halfway through, and the combativeness puzzles me. All I have noted is the obvious and clear fact
       Jan 08, 2004 @ 22:13 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
12788. Re: [BoundaryPoint] schroeder to join djeret try this month
       http://home.planet.nl/~hans.mebrat/eritrea-ethiopia-boundary.htm ... From: m06079 To: Sent:
       Jan 08, 2004 @ 22:58 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12789. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Morocco-Algeria
       Just looking for more information as to how close this town is to the border and if anyone seen info on it online. ...
       Jan 08, 2004 @ 23:48 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
12790. Re: schroeder to join djeret try this month
       spectacular thanx so you can see not only the extent of the original disagreement about the probable djeret positions by the breadth of the red & green zones
       Jan 09, 2004 @ 15:22 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12791. Re: Texas panhandle - 3 miles into New Mexico (?)
       excellent thank you of course i dont agree with all of this but we do finally appear to understand each other ... through, and ... clear fact ... states if it
       Jan 09, 2004 @ 19:00 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12792. Re: Texas panhandle - 3 miles into New Mexico (?)
       ... and we still ... get over life we apparently cant it appears to keep coming & to never end get over this discussion ok i am complete for now ... even
       Jan 09, 2004 @ 19:12 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12793. Hockey Night In Belize -- Broadcast
       Coming soon to a radio near you! My piece on tropical Hockey in Belize is airing this Saturday (Jan 9th) on the CBC Radio 1 network nationally and around the
       Jan 09, 2004 @ 19:29 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
12794. Re: Hockey Night In Belize -- Broadcast
       multicongrats doug & it may only be icing on your cakes at this point but the yahoo belizean group could be pretty good for this too & lets hear from everyone
       Jan 09, 2004 @ 20:06 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12795. ax doesnt stop canuck axworthy as brit also converges for new djeret try now
       meanwhile schroeder arrives in ababa tomorrow with the try as a whole reportedly in disarray & going nowhere
       Jan 09, 2004 @ 22:29 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12796. Van Zandt
       Various citations of our Franklin K. Van Zandt, the boundary authority, give his vitae as (1903- ). I have searched the Social Security Death Index and
       Jan 09, 2004 @ 22:42 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12798. Re: Texas panhandle - 3 miles into New Mexico(?)
       ... has a special ... was once an ... membership in ... might ... federal ... outcome of the ... American ... divide itself ... without further ... BUS&SS,
       Jan 10, 2004 @ 15:59 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12799. cnin tripoint 6pack talks resume in secret tomorrow
       well it used to be a secret http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/holnus/00110143086.htm
       Jan 10, 2004 @ 17:50 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12800. CAUS article
       Things have sure changed along CAUS: http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=17526
       Jan 10, 2004 @ 18:08 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
12801. Re: CAUS article
       doug borders are often ugly but as lowell tells us such is life lets get over it also you forgot to say cheers & didnt mention any tripoint
       Jan 10, 2004 @ 19:54 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12802. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CAUS article
       It happens on the other side as well. I took Via Rail from Port Huron to Toronto, and the inspectors at Sarnia asked me all sorts of questions when they found
       Jan 10, 2004 @ 20:15 - Tom (Tom <hilversum96@...>)
12803. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Texas panhandle - 3 miles into New Mexico(?)
       Mike, ... I greatly respect Franklin K. Van Zandt. I ve respected him since first finding his work 27 years ago. He was probably the greatest American
       Jan 10, 2004 @ 20:20 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12804. 1-10 Detroit News border story
       http://www.detnews.com/2004/metro/0401/10/metro-31829.htm If the like doesn t work, it s on the front page of the Saturday, January 10 edition. These are the
       Jan 10, 2004 @ 20:31 - hilversum96 ("hilversum96" <hilversum96@...>)
12805. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 1-10 Detroit News border story
       It s an interesting political comparison: walls falling in Europe, walls going up in North America. And, sadly, the story that some of the 9-11 hijackers came
       Jan 10, 2004 @ 20:39 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
12806. More on CAUS
       Here s another, more evenhanded, article from the Toronto Star: http://tinyurl.com/33l49 Cheers! Doug
       Jan 10, 2004 @ 20:49 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
12807. jerusalem
       hi, did we talk about the israeli exclave before? http://www.argo-navis.com/kibbutz/jerusalem.gif on the map you can also see a jordanian enclave. whats the
       Jan 11, 2004 @ 01:55 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
12808. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CAUS article
       Heh. Yeah I think the author of this article should take a look at the Ukrainian border offices where they have Heinrich Himmler staring at you from their
       Jan 11, 2004 @ 05:19 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
12809. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CAUS article
       ... ..or perhaps the Guatemalan border station at Melchor de Mencos, where the soldier with a machine gun set of a large firecracker outside the hut about the
       Jan 11, 2004 @ 06:13 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12810. Re: [BoundaryPoint] jerusalem
       Can these maps help you? http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/EART/israel/50k/israel50k.html ... From: chris schulz To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday,
       Jan 11, 2004 @ 10:35 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12811. Re: [BoundaryPoint] jerusalem
       ... Let s see if I can answer this without starting a fight :-) There was an area on Mt. Scopus that was an Israel exclave from 1948-1967. Much of the hill was
       Jan 11, 2004 @ 15:12 - Asher Samuels (Asher Samuels <asher972@...>)
12812. Boundaries of Cyprus
       My report on the Boundaries of Cyprus is ready. The URL is http://www.nicolette.dk/cyprus/ Jesper
       Jan 11, 2004 @ 20:37 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12813. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Boundaries of Cyprus
       Very impressive site, Jesper!
       Jan 11, 2004 @ 22:45 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
12814. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Texas panhandle - 3 miles into New Mexico (?)
       Dont you mean a 400% increase in Senators, and going from a 2% share to a 9.3% share? (By going from 1 Texas of 50 states to 5 Texases of 54 states.) Of
       Jan 12, 2004 @ 04:19 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
12815. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Norway extends zone around Svalbard
       Drab lavs GNI supports, I believe, Ile Bistro pp using Svalbard. Meaning the portion of Norway s Gross National Income generated by study of the 12nm marine
       Jan 12, 2004 @ 05:32 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
12816. Re: Norway extends zone around Svalbard
       youve done it maestro seamless multidimensional reality
       Jan 12, 2004 @ 17:57 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12817. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Boundaries of Cyprus
       Hear, hear. My sincere congratulations to this important work in our limited and limitless field. I bow my head. M ... __________________________________ Do
       Jan 12, 2004 @ 19:09 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
12818. DK to change administrative boundaries
       By 2006 the DK administrative map will change! Rough ideas: Counties are going to be halved and called regions. Municipalities should no longer be less than
       Jan 12, 2004 @ 20:13 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12819. No Jordanian enclave
       I may be late in saying this, but the map link posted a few days ago does not show a Jordanian enclave in the truest sense. Too many times, publications or
       Jan 13, 2004 @ 02:41 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
12820. Re: [BoundaryPoint] No Jordanian enclave
       ... Arif, It s good to have someone concur with what I found on the map and other places. Asher __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo!
       Jan 13, 2004 @ 06:37 - Asher Samuels (Asher Samuels <asher972@...>)
12821. Re: No Jordanian enclave
       The status of Mount Scopus between 1948 and 1967 was a source of considerable controversy and friction. Officially it was a demilitarised zone under UN
       Jan 13, 2004 @ 12:56 - Martin Pratt ("Martin Pratt" <m.a.pratt@...>)
12822. Re: Texas panhandle - 3 miles into New Mexico (?)
       big pine key yes thats it exactly thanx glad someone is paying attention too & your corrections mean texas would get 11 percent more leverage overall than my
       Jan 13, 2004 @ 17:51 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12823. New Wall -- discussion point
       There hasn t been much said about the security fence that Israel is building. Some of the pictures of the massive wall are stunning. Some look like Berlin
       Jan 13, 2004 @ 18:44 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
12824. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New Wall -- discussion point
       To the extent that this security fence relates to a current or proposed political boundary (which is not clear to me), then a respectful and collegial
       Jan 13, 2004 @ 20:10 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12825. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New Wall -- discussion point
       I ll see if I can snap some pictures when I get the chance. Keep in mind that the fence/wall doesn t correspond to either current or pre-1967 borders, and it s
       Jan 13, 2004 @ 20:15 - Asher Samuels (Asher Samuels <asher972@...>)
12826. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Texas panhandle - 3 miles into New Mexico (?)
       But how would the fact that Texas seceeded and required readmission effect this, surely its orginal admission treaty was voided by its secession and
       Jan 13, 2004 @ 21:21 - bramwellhayes@doctors.org.uk (<bramwellhayes@...>)
12827. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New Wall -- discussion point
       The pictures I ve seen are stunning. I can t believe how big it is. One website compared it to the Berlin Wall -- and how small it made that wall look.
       Jan 13, 2004 @ 21:26 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
12828. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New Wall -- discussion point
       Ok, I don t mean to be political or anything, but I don t think the Israelis would allow any Israeli area to be cut off when creating the all. After all, the
       Jan 14, 2004 @ 02:30 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
12829. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Texas panhandle - 3 miles into New Mexico (?)
       The feds never recognized any of the secessions as legitimate. The readmissions that occurred afterward were more like restorations to the states
       Jan 14, 2004 @ 03:11 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12830. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New Wall -- discussion point
       wait lowell wait everybody what do you mean the purposes of this group what do you think the purposes of this group are you are on to something important here
       Jan 14, 2004 @ 17:00 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12831. Re: Texas panhandle - 3 miles into New Mexico(?)
       ... first finding ... boundary scholar ... actually he is not known for his academic scholarship is he but i think perhaps mainly as a great civil servant &
       Jan 14, 2004 @ 17:34 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12832. whats wrong with this picture
       here complete at last & all in one message for the first time since the discussion about the unilateral multiplication of texas began in case anybody has been
       Jan 14, 2004 @ 17:37 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12833. Re: [BoundaryPoint] whats wrong with this picture
       Mike, I ve explained this until I m blue in the face, and I m not the only one! Perhaps you missed something during your peregrinations. The prevailing Texas
       Jan 14, 2004 @ 19:26 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12834. Re: whats wrong with this picture
       perhaps you missed something during my peregrinations too lowell & i agree you are looking blue in the face but you still havent said whats wrong you only say
       Jan 14, 2004 @ 22:01 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12835. Re: whats wrong with this picture
       perhaps you missed something during my peregrinations too lowell & i agree you are looking blue in the face but you still havent said whats wrong you only say
       Jan 14, 2004 @ 22:04 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12836. could this be qaddafi quietly checking in for the djeret try
       we had been expecting him & this would be big news if true http://mathaba.net/x.htm?http://mathaba.net/0_index.shtml?x=31802
       Jan 14, 2004 @ 22:31 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12837. Re: Boundaries of Cyprus
       nice going & i still havent fully digested this of course no time in paradise you know but how are we ever going to rationalize this triple edged de facto line
       Jan 14, 2004 @ 22:44 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12838. Re: CAUS article
       Woke up this morning to tapping at the door. It s snowing like crazy outside, and there s a strange car in the driveway. Outside is a very nice lady, a
       Jan 14, 2004 @ 22:48 - laika899 ("laika899" <laika899@...>)
12839. Re: CAUS article
       Or Sweden where I was subject to many of the similarly patronizing questions... ... where the ... hut about the ... quetzales
       Jan 14, 2004 @ 23:12 - Michael Kaufman ("Michael Kaufman" <mikekaufman79@...>)
12840. Re: 1-10 Detroit News border story
       Forgetting about Algerian terrorist Ahmed Ressam who did come to the U.S. via Canada for his plotted Millenium Attack? A Pre-9/11 plot at that. While the
       Jan 15, 2004 @ 00:35 - Michael Kaufman ("Michael Kaufman" <mikekaufman79@...>)
12841. Re: [BoundaryPoint] whats wrong with this picture
       sufficient population - So what number of people qualifies as sufficient? ... here complete at last & all in one message for the first time since the
       Jan 15, 2004 @ 01:54 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
12842. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: 1-10 Detroit News border story
       ... guards shine flashlights in my face, ask what hospital I was born at, what I do for work and where and why, etc. All of those seemingly irrelevant
       Jan 15, 2004 @ 02:05 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12843. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: whats wrong with this picture
       Mike, I ve stated repeatedly what I find wrong with the picture that appears to Van Zandt. You have every right to disagree with my view, but is there so
       Jan 15, 2004 @ 07:21 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12844. Re: New Wall - discussion point
       It s difficult to discuss terriorial issues between Israel and Palestine without discussing the politics, but here are a few points of information which I hope
       Jan 15, 2004 @ 10:08 - Martin Pratt ("Martin Pratt" <m.a.pratt@...>)
12845. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Boundaries of Cyprus
       ... I have yet to find a map that plots the lines of control in an accurate enough way to determine points of any kind. I walked both sides of the buffer zone
       Jan 15, 2004 @ 11:06 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
12846. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Boundaries of Cyprus
       I have been writing with a former Danish UN soldier that served on Cyprus. In his opinion and experience the bufferzone boundaries towards N and S are very
       Jan 15, 2004 @ 18:48 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12847. AW: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Boundaries of Cyprus
       Maybe this will help you: http://www.unficyp.org/Maps/maps.htm Greetings, Joseph ... BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com An: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
       Jan 15, 2004 @ 20:26 - Joseph Hornykewycz ("Joseph Hornykewycz" <joseph.hornykewycz@...>)
12848. Re: whats wrong with this picture
       ... that appears to Van ... so much ... from my writings ... yes my friend i can tell you have a view & vive la difference but i am still trying to
       Jan 15, 2004 @ 19:45 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12849. Re: Boundaries of Cyprus
       ... accurate ... the ... side) ... ground. ... Nicosia, you ... but in ... yes i can certainly appreciate that there might be triareas rather than exact
       Jan 15, 2004 @ 20:12 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12850. Re: whats wrong with this picture
       ... sufficient? That was not stated. In the Northwest Ordinance of 1787, the Confederation Congress (prior to the ratification of the federal Constitution) had
       Jan 15, 2004 @ 21:03 - lowellgmcmanus ("lowellgmcmanus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12851. BORDERS MARKS MODELS
       HELLO BORDERS LOVERS; I CAN BUILD FOR YOU SOME BORDERS MARKS MODELS ,I CAN DO IT FOR LAMPS, MONEY BOX, OR SIMPLY MODELS. IT S A VERY GOOD SOUVENIR OF BORDER
       Jan 16, 2004 @ 00:03 - Garo ("Garo" <OLRICK1@...>)
12852. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: whats wrong with this picture
       Mike, I am shaking my head yes and no at the same time. (If you wanted to know the specific words to which I object, why didn t you just ask?) I disagree with
       Jan 16, 2004 @ 04:20 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12853. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: New Wall - discussion point
       Thanks for this, Martin. Excellent information. Doug ... ...
       Jan 16, 2004 @ 07:07 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
12854. Re: New Wall -- discussion point
       ... proposed ... and collegial ... expressions of rank ... purposes of this ... i see everybody has been contemplating my question for days now or doesnt want
       Jan 16, 2004 @ 16:13 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12855. Re: whats wrong with this picture
       ... didn t you just ... & i am still shaking my head in disbelief over this question hahahahaha but what makes you think i didnt ask yikes really this is
       Jan 16, 2004 @ 16:55 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12856. Re: BORDERS MARKS MODELS
       hey buddy nice show if you could do a series of miniatures of the tricountry monuments of the world i bet you would not only sell a lot of them here but might
       Jan 16, 2004 @ 16:59 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12857. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Boundaries of Cyprus
       Mike What do you understand by the Green Line ? Jesper ... From: m06079 To: Sent: Thursday,
       Jan 16, 2004 @ 19:49 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12858. Re: Boundaries of Cyprus
       the line between turkish & greek military forces at least in nicosia at the time of the cease fire dont know if the line extends anywhere beyond nicosia tho i
       Jan 16, 2004 @ 20:35 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12859. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Boundaries of Cyprus
       The Green Line is no longer a line on the map of Nicosia, it s a line on the whole map of Cyprus. from http://www.kypros.org/Lefkosia/line.htm , the homepage
       Jan 16, 2004 @ 20:54 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12860. Re: whats wrong with this picture
       in fairness to both tennessee & texas & you lowell i should add it took west north carolina 6 years to get this erection in the first place under all manner of
       Jan 16, 2004 @ 20:52 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12861. Re: Boundaries of Cyprus
       good i am content with that whether he means it literally or is figuratively replacing the line with the buffer zone no matter so it seems to me the 4 most
       Jan 16, 2004 @ 21:07 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12862. A Page From allAfrica.com
       ... SENDPAGE SERVICE -- ALLAFRICA.COM The following page link has been sent to you by one of our readers. AllAfrica offers this facility as a service to our
       Jan 16, 2004 @ 21:26 - moc.il@li.com (moc.il@...)
12863. The Times of India
       progress & optimism reported in secret cnin 6pack talks. Please click on the link below to go to the page. If you think someone you know would like to read it
       Jan 16, 2004 @ 21:42 - m ("m" <moc.il@...>)
12864. The Times of India
       progress & optimism reported in secret cnin 6pack talks. Please click on the link below to go to the page. If you think someone you know would like to read it
       Jan 16, 2004 @ 21:42 - m ("m" <moc.il@...>)
12865. The Times of India
       progress & optimism reported in secret cnin 6pack talks. Please click on the link below to go to the page. If you think someone you know would like to read it
       Jan 16, 2004 @ 21:43 - m ("m" <moc.il@...>)
12866. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: New Wall -- discussion point
       My responses are inserted below. Lowell ... From: m06079 To: Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004
       Jan 16, 2004 @ 17:55 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12867. Re: New Wall -- discussion point
       ... answer that ... that no one ... wall. I am ... claimed ... told you what ... kept telling ... cmon you know there was nothing viscious about it now thats
       Jan 17, 2004 @ 15:30 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12868. Re: New Wall -- discussion point
       ... respectful ... thats ok & i meant & said what do you think they are & i accept your answer does anyone else want to actually answer i admit i have some
       Jan 17, 2004 @ 16:10 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12869. Re: New Wall -- discussion point
       ... answer that ... that no one ... wall. I am ... claimed ... told you what ... kept telling ... particular words I ... but don t just ... from ... states
       Jan 17, 2004 @ 16:28 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12870. Re: 1-10 Detroit News border story
       i agree we should forget about all of this sad stuff & in fact about all sad stuff & i say this precisely because our thought is so creatively powerful & who
       Jan 17, 2004 @ 19:14 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12871. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: New Wall -- discussion point
       Mike, I again insert my responses below. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: m06079 To:
       Jan 17, 2004 @ 23:08 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12872. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: whats wrong with this picture
       Mike, My response to your initial mention of Tennessee was written yesterday morning before you had acknowledged in the message below that it was a delayed
       Jan 17, 2004 @ 23:26 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12873. Korea puts its stamp on disupted rocks
       Over strenuous objections from Japan, South Korea issued 2.25 million postage stamps yesterday depicting some disputed rocks in the Sea of Japan that it calls
       Jan 18, 2004 @ 01:09 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12874. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: New Wall -- discussion point
       ... I wonder how many lawyers the Geological Survey really has? I somehow doubt that this was vetted by lawyers. I think lawyers usually consult forensic
       Jan 18, 2004 @ 01:51 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12875. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Boundaries of Cyprus
       There is also a border line on this map: http://www.cyprus-un-plan.org/MapofFamagusta.pdf but I cannot see anything else. What is this line? Can anybody see
       Jan 18, 2004 @ 19:07 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12876. video tripoint
       After a large silence, I m glad to offer you this link that I ve found: it s perhaps our first tp video on-line. It s a large video from a adesfrw
       Jan 18, 2004 @ 22:42 - marcelmiquelcat ("marcelmiquelcat" <marcelmiquel@...>)
12877. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Boundaries of Cyprus
       This document describes a proposed CYKK boundary line: http://www.cyprus-un-plan.org/AnnexVI.pdf The Famagusta map can be seen on
       Jan 19, 2004 @ 18:36 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12878. Re: video tripoint
       spectacular as usual marcel & i just dreamt youd return soon with a big one but this is also the return of an older dream too now really beginning to come true
       Jan 20, 2004 @ 17:30 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12879. Re: Boundaries of Cyprus
       the more i think about this cyprus situation the more it seems that the green line whatever its full length may originally have been or may now be is
       Jan 20, 2004 @ 18:45 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12880. Re: New Wall -- discussion point
       ... department ... somehow doubt ... forensic ... around. For ... legally-oriented ... i dont know how many lawyers but vetting by legal expertise on retainer
       Jan 20, 2004 @ 18:58 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12881. Re: video tripoint
       Ok, I will try to explain. As you can see, this is a video of an ascention to the medacorba peak. When the video is aprox. at 50%, they arrive on a mountain
       Jan 20, 2004 @ 19:33 - marcelmiquelcat ("marcelmiquelcat" <marcelmiquel@...>)
12882. Re: New Wall -- discussion point
       ... due ... 1964, ... good sleuthing & these could well have been the only 1966 edition insertions into the footnote sequence of the 1930 edition & i have
       Jan 20, 2004 @ 20:00 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12883. Re: whats wrong with this picture
       ... yesterday morning ... a delayed flake ... hovered in the ... making it look ... would have ... President, or ... of Texas into ... curious legal ... as a
       Jan 20, 2004 @ 20:35 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12884. Re: New Wall -- discussion point
       ... or ... respectful ... now ... hoped ... based. ... exactly you ... I ... another. I meant ... after all. i know & you know i am just having fun with you
       Jan 20, 2004 @ 21:05 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12885. Aerial Photos of USA
       Go to the TerraServer website if you would like to see aerial photos and topographic maps of the United States including border areas with Canada and Mexico.
       Jan 20, 2004 @ 22:51 - xachary2002 ("xachary2002" <mjbednar@...>)
12886. Re: video tripoint
       ... inside ... a ... from ... I ... that ... yes i read you loud & clear now its very exciting & tho i cant see the video stream here in big pine i do agree
       Jan 20, 2004 @ 23:36 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12887. Aerial Photos Again-San Ysidro-Tijuana, Blaine WA & Surrey BC
       Here s one more example of the aerial photos anyone can get at TerraServer. This one is at Tijuana, Mexico-San Ysidro (bottom), California, USA (top). You
       Jan 21, 2004 @ 02:26 - xachary2002 ("xachary2002" <mjbednar@...>)
12888. Aerial Photos: Correction about Surrey and Blaine
       My correction. -- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, xachary2002 ... also ... t=1&s=11&x=1243&y=9001&z=11&w=2 ...
       Jan 21, 2004 @ 02:31 - xachary2002 ("xachary2002" <mjbednar@...>)
12889. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Aerial Photos of USA
       Yes - that s Beebe/Beebe Plain and Canusa Ave. You can see even it in more detail when you zoom in. ...
       Jan 21, 2004 @ 06:19 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
12890. Re: video tripoint
       After re-view the video and the second photo of the second row I think I was wrong about the monument. The low quality of the video confused me, but at the
       Jan 21, 2004 @ 12:27 - marcelmiquelcat ("marcelmiquelcat" <marcelmiquel@...>)
12891. Re: Aerial Photos: Correction about Surrey and Blaine
       welcome xachary & thanx for questing for precision too & especially for showing & telling what you like & why you like it i am proud to share the 2002 surname
       Jan 21, 2004 @ 16:12 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12892. Re: video tripoint
       ... well i still havent seen the video stream itself but i dont believe you were wrong a bit it seems to me there is every reason to hope & even some reason to
       Jan 21, 2004 @ 16:28 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12893. Re: video tripoint
       but the mentioned message 8509 & vicinity no longer contain the mentioned pic of the mentioned monument all expired links or unarchived attachments etc i do
       Jan 22, 2004 @ 21:20 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12894. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: video tripoint
       Anything useful around here http://www.nicolette.dk/borderbase/border.php?c1=4&c2=50 ? ... From: m06079 To:
       Jan 22, 2004 @ 22:03 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12895. Re: video tripoint
       yes indeed i think eef may well have gotten it near the bottom of http://home.wanadoo.nl/~eefberns/index.html while he himself remains unconvinced however
       Jan 22, 2004 @ 22:18 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12896. Re: video tripoint
       The correct link actually is: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/schusskeke/PageAccueil/Accueil.html But you have to click treks Pyrénéens , and then Rando-Bus
       Jan 23, 2004 @ 08:49 - marcelmiquelcat ("marcelmiquelcat" <marcelmiquel@...>)
12897. On the trail of the Garner speech
       I have requested assistance from the local office of Congressman Jim McCrery (R-Louisiana) in retrieving a copy of the 1930 speech by John N. Garner in the
       Jan 23, 2004 @ 21:57 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12898. A Page From allAfrica.com
       ... SENDPAGE SERVICE -- ALLAFRICA.COM The following page link has been sent to you by one of our readers. AllAfrica offers this facility as a service to our
       Jan 23, 2004 @ 22:29 - moc.il@li.com (moc.il@...)
12899. Re: A Page From allAfrica.com
       ... host ... respond to ... program, or ... coverage of ... Report Final and Binding ... & they should call the new badmes goodyou & goodme & they should
       Jan 24, 2004 @ 15:26 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12900. Five Corners, ME times three
       http://topozone.com/viewmaps.asp?method=place&placename=five+corners&statefips=23 Madison West Quad example doesnt really form a quintpoint on the street level
       Jan 25, 2004 @ 04:01 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
12901. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Five Corners, ME times three
       I like this one: http://tinyurl.com/3yefn . A bi-state boundary makes a corner at a county tripoint in a four way road intersection with a fifth road
       Jan 25, 2004 @ 05:27 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12902. burma, thailand
       Greetings, I have been offline while overseas in Burma and Thailand. In Thailand I made daytrip to Laos and Cambodia, and tried to reach their tripoint. the N.
       Jan 25, 2004 @ 06:17 - bwhyte@unimelb.edu.au (bwhyte@...)
12903. Re: Five Corners, ME times three
       Here s my favorite. No boundaries, but six streets coming together at a doozy of an intersection. If you caught the traffic light just wrong at a busy hour,
       Jan 25, 2004 @ 12:34 - nj55er ("nj55er" <spookymike@...>)
12904. Re: Five Corners, ME times three
       Might help if I provided the URL: http://topozone.com/map.asp?lat=39.71333&lon=-75.03 ...
       Jan 25, 2004 @ 15:53 - nj55er ("nj55er" <spookymike@...>)
12905. Re: [BoundaryPoint] burma, thailand
       Great account Brendan. Thanks. I hope there will be photos for us later. Jesper ... From: To: Sent:
       Jan 25, 2004 @ 17:45 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12906. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Five Corners, ME times three
       Don t they make roundabouts in the US? Jesper ... From: nj55er To: Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 1:34
       Jan 25, 2004 @ 17:50 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12907. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Five Corners, ME times three
       We have plenty of them here in Jerusalem. This one can be fun. Of the six streets: three are one-way going in, one is one-way going out one is two-way and the
       Jan 25, 2004 @ 18:34 - Asher Samuels (Asher Samuels <asher972@yahoo.com>)
12908. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Five Corners, ME times three
       Good question, Jesper. I am trying to think of some instances of roundabouts or traffic circles in America. And I m drawing a blank. There must be something
       Jan 25, 2004 @ 18:45 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
12909. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: New Cyprus tripoints uncovered
       I now know what the line on http://www.cyprus-un-plan.org/MapofNicosia.pdf stand for and that also make sence to the line on
       Jan 25, 2004 @ 19:01 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12910. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Five Corners, ME times three
       If we are talking about traffic circles, I would like to present the five and six way road traffic circles in DC, the Chevy Chase Circle and Westmoreland
       Jan 25, 2004 @ 19:07 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
12911. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Five Corners, ME times three
       What is the difference between a roundabout and a rotary? Doug Sheer
       Jan 25, 2004 @ 19:35 - DougS78864@aol.com (DougS78864@...)
12912. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Five Corners, ME times three
       ... They aren t very common at all here, except in Washington, D.C., which, after all, was designed by a Frenchman! When they do occur, they are never called
       Jan 25, 2004 @ 20:29 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12913. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Five Corners, ME times three
       http://www.rpi.edu/dept/cits/images/roundabout.jpg http://www.charismafloats.com/images/Rotary.jpg ... From: DougS78864@aol.com To:
       Jan 25, 2004 @ 21:32 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12914. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Five Corners, ME times three
       Same thing. It s regional language. Roundabout in Europe (where applicable), rotary in Nova Scotia, traffic circle in British Columbia, and Alberta.
       Jan 25, 2004 @ 21:50 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
12915. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Five Corners, ME times three
       In keeping with this listserv - your point borders on good humor. Thanks for the chuckle. Doug Sheer
       Jan 25, 2004 @ 21:52 - DougS78864@aol.com (DougS78864@...)
12916. Early days of the green line
       
       Jan 25, 2004 @ 22:03 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
12917. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Five Corners, ME times three
       Indeed. Rotary in Massachusetts (with oversized signs stating the obvious in large letters: ROTARY ). A few friends from New Jersey say traffic circle. All
       Jan 26, 2004 @ 08:07 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
12918. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Five Corners, ME times three
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       Jan 26, 2004 @ 08:08 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
12919. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Five Corners, ME times three
       Of course there are a few rotaries in the immediate suburbs of Boston (somerville, cambridge, etc)...these areas of traffic circles and their immediate
       Jan 26, 2004 @ 08:20 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
12920. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Five Corners, ME times three
       http://www.teresco.org/pics/signs/20020223/rotary.jpg ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool.
       Jan 26, 2004 @ 08:25 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
12921. Re: Five Corners, ME times three
       http://www.armin-grewe.com/holiday/wiltshire/swindon-roundabout.htm
       Jan 26, 2004 @ 08:45 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
12922. roundabouts
       Even in gridded streets roundabout are indeed useful. They do not have to be large. where two small residential streets cross here in Melbourne, a small
       Jan 26, 2004 @ 10:25 - bwhyte@unimelb.edu.au (bwhyte@...)
12923. Circling the Square
       Here in NJ it has always been traffic circle. NJ pioneered the mass use of the circle, I believe starting in the 1920 s, as an efficient and safe way to
       Jan 26, 2004 @ 13:05 - spookymike@aol.com (spookymike@...)
12924. Re: [BoundaryPoint] roundabouts
       And in keeping with our border theme, here is an international roundabout on the German - Netherlands border in Kerkrade, NL/Herzogenrath, DE.
       Jan 26, 2004 @ 15:09 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
12925. Re: roundabouts
       More of those in the same neighbourhood: the roundabouts on/near the locations of former DENL markers 230, 231 and 232 (Eef s site,
       Jan 26, 2004 @ 15:30 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
12926. Re: burma, thailand
       I agree Brendan, a nice report. Last July I tried to cross into Cambodia to visit Phra Viharn temple but due to political tensions it was not possible to cross
       Jan 26, 2004 @ 17:21 - David Harleyson ("David Harleyson" <bambooze@...>)
12927. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Five Corners, ME times three
       I ve been through that one many times when I worked in South Jersey. Jersey was the land of the roundabouts, or traffic circles as they called them. They were
       Jan 26, 2004 @ 18:16 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
12928. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Five Corners, ME times three
       I beg to disagree. Roundabouts are being used a lot in the US. From small to large. Here in Colorado, they ve been popping up all over the place, the option of
       Jan 26, 2004 @ 18:19 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
12929. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: roundabouts
       Do roundabouts that are created by crazy drivers count? I seem to recall going on a circular drive around the marker for Yugoslavia-Hungary-Romania in a white
       Jan 26, 2004 @ 18:50 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
12930. LSZA
       http://heine.nusa.co.za/LesothoJuly2001/Border.html Great shot!! I wish they were mine... Does anybody who if the pole/stones on the second photo are border
       Jan 26, 2004 @ 18:58 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12931. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: roundabouts
       I never thought about that. We crossed three Eastern European borders in car - illegally - in less than a minute. ... From: Doug Murray To:
       Jan 26, 2004 @ 19:01 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12932. Re: LSZA
       http://www.trekearth.com/gallery/Africa/Lesotho/photo10131.htm ... markers of some sort?
       Jan 26, 2004 @ 19:07 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
12933. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: LSZA
       Oh great, thanks Peter. Looks like they are just part of the missing gate. But the small stone could actually be marker with leaves the gate on the actual
       Jan 26, 2004 @ 19:18 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12934. Re: LSZA
       lesotho border in Google (picture search)... ... on the ... ... border
       Jan 26, 2004 @ 19:32 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
12935. ketz
       Close up photo series http://www.rcrowley.com/AC2001/Mara5.htm nomans land nonsence? Jesper
       Jan 26, 2004 @ 21:38 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12936. Re: [BoundaryPoint] roundabouts
       ... At the risk of getting off the multipoint topic, we have lots of roundabouts here in the UK. They very effectively and safely manage low-to-medium traffic
       Jan 26, 2004 @ 22:05 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
12937. Nice panorama at CHDEFR
       http://www.dreisechzig.de/page.cgi?ufile=dreilaendereck
       Jan 26, 2004 @ 22:43 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12938. BEDENL
       http://www.pontplace.dnsalias.com/Bilder/2001_04/23_dreilaendereck/640/dreilaender2.jpg
       Jan 26, 2004 @ 22:45 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12939. CZDEPL
       we never saw this angle on GCEBE http://mitglied.lycos.de/FlaeschnerRamona/grenze.htm
       Jan 26, 2004 @ 22:47 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12940. FINORU
       http://www.reuber-norwegen.de/Finnmark/BilderTab_FinnmarkSoerVarangerPasvik02.html
       Jan 26, 2004 @ 22:54 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12941. Border site from Moldova
       At the site of the Border Guards of the Republic of Moldova http://www.granicer.moldova.md/Welcome%20to%20Republic%20of%20Moldova_files/home_en.html you can
       Jan 26, 2004 @ 23:15 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
12942. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: roundabouts
       What would have happened if there had been a crash into the monument? Our journey must have been HU- RO- YU- HU or was it the other way?
       Jan 27, 2004 @ 02:17 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
12943. RE: [BoundaryPoint] LSZA
       Seeing how the stones were placed with the length part facing the roadway, I would be very surprised if they were not border markers. Jim Smith ( Mississauga
       Jan 27, 2004 @ 02:29 - Jim Smith ("Jim Smith" <jwas@...>)
12944. Grosvenor on maps
       A map is the greatest of all epic poems. Its lines and colors show the realization of great dreams. --Gilbert H. Grosvenor, Editor, National Geographic,
       Jan 27, 2004 @ 04:43 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12945. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: roundabouts
       No, it was the other way. Anti-clockwise. ... From: Doug Murray To: Sent: Tuesday, January
       Jan 27, 2004 @ 05:45 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12946. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: roundabouts
       It would have been an international incident of epic proportions! Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: Doug Murray
       Jan 27, 2004 @ 05:45 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12947. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border site from Moldova
       and a border marker, too. ... From: Christian Berghänel To: BoundaryPoint Sent: Tuesday,
       Jan 27, 2004 @ 05:47 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
12948. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: roundabouts
       I should have said: It would have been an international incident of MONUMENTAL proportions! Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: Lowell G.
       Jan 27, 2004 @ 06:04 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12949. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: roundabouts
       HU- YU- RO- HU... sounds like a song of some sort.
       Jan 27, 2004 @ 06:17 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
12950. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: roundabouts
       Yes Yes Yes! and the roads were mere paths between the sunflower crops! ... http://members.lycos.nl/grenspalen/gp-depruis-nl-228-238.html ...
       Jan 27, 2004 @ 07:03 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
12951. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border site from Moldova
       Great shot, Christian!
       Jan 27, 2004 @ 15:07 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@...>)
12952. Moldova border guards
       They look like the Cold War border guards of the old Soviet Union with all the facilities like barbed wire, watch towers, dogs, guns etc. I guess, this border
       Jan 27, 2004 @ 16:50 - pete2784west ("pete2784west" <petter.brabec@...>)
12953. Re: BEDENL
       ... http://www.pontplace.dnsalias.com/Bilder/2001_04/23_dreilaendereck/640 /dreilaender2.jpg handsome pic & the camera is nearly above the exact tripoint too a
       Jan 27, 2004 @ 19:11 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12954. bedenl-tripoint picture
       This is a nicer picture of the bedenl-tripoint taken from above. Blue is Germany, white is Dutch territory, brown belgian. In the brown area there s a small
       Jan 27, 2004 @ 19:49 - Eef Berns ("Eef Berns" <eefberns@dds.nl>)
12955. Re: roundabouts
       ... hahahaha no risk of that now kevin as this horse was already off topic when it got out the barn door it is just that people love to contribute so much that
       Jan 27, 2004 @ 19:55 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12956. Re: Five Corners, ME times three
       ... which, after ... rather circles or ... monument or ... Circle in ... rectangular ... of traffic ... sites for ... hahaha he must remember hahahahaha
       Jan 27, 2004 @ 21:03 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12957. Re: burma, thailand
       welcome back brendan & since we can recall your earlier visit to bedenl khlath makes at least the second tricountry point youve tried which i believe places
       Jan 27, 2004 @ 21:31 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12958. Re: [BoundaryPoint] bedenl-tripoint picture
       From where are these photos taken? Is there a tall Belgian building nearby? Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: Eef Berns To: Boundary Point
       Jan 28, 2004 @ 00:12 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12959. Re: [BoundaryPoint] bedenl-tripoint picture
       There is a big viewing tower near by. I will try and find a picture... Doug
       Jan 28, 2004 @ 02:40 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
12960. Re: [BoundaryPoint] German-German border
       Here s page about former border beetwen German Democratic Rep. and Federal Republic of Germany. http://www.grenzerinnerungen.de/ and below automatic
       Jan 28, 2004 @ 11:37 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@...>)
12961. Re: Grosvenor on maps
       ... show the realization of great dreams. ... ahh spoken like a true map promoter & mag publisher but seriously is there a bp point in here somewhere or what
       Jan 28, 2004 @ 16:55 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12962. Re: CZDEPL
       ... because you were standing in germany with your left side toward this camera position & wading in or across was not an option btw i have come to agree with
       Jan 28, 2004 @ 17:15 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12963. Re: [BoundaryPoint] German-German border
       ... http://www.grenzer.com ... -- +++ GMX - die erste Adresse für Mail, Message, More +++ Bis 31.1.: TopMail + Digicam für nur 29 EUR
       Jan 28, 2004 @ 18:05 - udomet@gmx.de (udomet@...)
12964. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Grosvenor on maps
       When I read the quote, I though of how BP people use, study, make, and share maps to further our interests in tripoints and the boundaries that compose them. I
       Jan 28, 2004 @ 18:35 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12965. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Grosvenor on maps
       I enjoyed it. ... From: Lowell G. McManus [mailto:mcmanus71496@msn.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 11:35 AM To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Subject:
       Jan 28, 2004 @ 18:48 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
12966. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Grosvenor on maps
       Yawn ...
       Jan 28, 2004 @ 19:26 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
12967. Re: Nice panorama at CHDEFR
       ... beauty & would you agree that the last of the 3 ships or in other words the ship in the 6th pic appears to have just completed a class b call at the actual
       Jan 28, 2004 @ 18:01 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12968. Re: Grosvenor on maps
       pleasing everybody was not what my point nor questions were about but i guess someone could have inferred anything from the etc at the open end of the series
       Jan 29, 2004 @ 16:00 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12969. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Grosvenor on maps
       It s just an enjoyable quote, dude. Let it rest.
       Jan 29, 2004 @ 16:30 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
12970. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Grosvenor on maps
       it was already resting & enjoyable kevin i would just like to bring it to life if any ... Find high-speed ‘net deals — comparison-shop your local providers
       Jan 29, 2004 @ 17:04 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12971. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Grosvenor on maps
       If so,t hen why are you so uptight about a simple quote? Let s smile and move on. ... From: Michael Donner [mailto:barbaria_longa@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday,
       Jan 29, 2004 @ 17:09 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
12972. Re: Grosvenor on maps
       why do you say i am uptight i dont understand this all smiles here ... smile and ... about ... thought ... any ... anything ... make, ... that ... tripoints.
       Jan 29, 2004 @ 17:19 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12973. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Grosvenor on maps
       Re-read your parsing comments on what was simply a nice little quote. If you don t get it then, there s no more I could say about it. Lighten up, is that how
       Jan 29, 2004 @ 17:24 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
12974. Re: Grosvenor on maps
       ... quote. If you ... up, is that ... hahahahaha do you mean is lighten up how the kids say there is no more i could say about it today hahahahaha well i would
       Jan 29, 2004 @ 18:52 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12975. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Grosvenor on maps
       hahahahaha you missed my point entirely. but thanks for trying. & btw we are still waiting for your writing style to be a bit more clear. ... From:
       Jan 29, 2004 @ 19:12 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
12976. Re: Grosvenor on maps
       thanx & i am glad you did check back in today for that final laugh hahahaha good one & could you clarify what exactly about my writing style you are waiting
       Jan 29, 2004 @ 22:46 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12977. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Grosvenor on maps
       You write in such a convoluted fashion, sometimes with manufactured vocabulary, with multiple compound phrases, conjunctive and interposed clauses of seemingly
       Jan 30, 2004 @ 02:02 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
12978. Nice old Map of India with portugues enclaves and indish counter
       http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/EART/india/250k/nf43_13.jpg regards, chris
       Jan 30, 2004 @ 11:32 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
12979. Re: Nice old Map of India with portugues enclaves and indish counter
       Thanks. Another map: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu:8085/india/250k/nf42_16.jpg Note the Diu dependency of Panikota (+ a strip of beach). A quick search on the
       Jan 30, 2004 @ 12:56 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
12980. Enclave of Karabach Enclave
       http://sunsite.berkeley.edu:8085/azerbaijan/100k/J-38-010.jpg
       Jan 30, 2004 @ 13:07 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
12981. Re: Grosvenor on maps
       you are right kevin & thanx for being so real & your relief has already arrived as you see for i am redoubling my efforts to be as clear & simple as possible &
       Jan 30, 2004 @ 17:53 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12982. Re: TP CZ/D/PL
       Pic of the TP CZ/D/PL with Flaggs from a brochure of the Home Office/ministry of the Interior Free State of Saxony -- +++ Mailpower für
       Jan 30, 2004 @ 19:50 - udomet@gmx.de (udomet@gmx.de)
12983. Re: Grosvenor on maps
       kevin i said ... & here i must prolong my earlier apology hahahaha because i said the above in such haste like all my stuff from big pine & now key west here
       Jan 30, 2004 @ 19:57 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12984. source of rio grande etc
       ... taken ... of ... or can anyone say if this rio source or metasource point was perhaps specified in the mxtx1836 treaty as the summit of canby mtn rather
       Jan 30, 2004 @ 22:31 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12985. Re: source of rio grande etc
       the actual mxtxus1836 point in the great divide basin would then fall about here http://topozone.com/map.asp?lat=42&lon=-107.5466 again hopefully & subject to
       Jan 30, 2004 @ 22:38 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12986. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: source of rio grande etc
       ... First off, I want to concur with others who have said that your use of conventional English would help communications greatly. Secondly, the Rio Grande
       Jan 30, 2004 @ 22:43 - Chuck Doolittle ("Chuck Doolittle" <yahoo@...>)
12987. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: source of rio grande etc
       You might find this link informative; a friend of mine here in Denver had a successful campaign to name the point where the Rio Grande, Colorado and
       Jan 30, 2004 @ 23:22 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
12988. Re: [BoundaryPoint] source of rio grande etc
       Mike, ... The May 14, 1836 MXTX agreements called the Treaties of Velasco specified little as to boundaries. They did provide for the withdrawal of the
       Jan 31, 2004 @ 01:18 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12989. Re: FINORU
       Here s FINORU tripoint picture (posted by Jesper Nielsen) and tripoint map from Norway-Russian border comission page. What do you think, were exactly goes
       Jan 31, 2004 @ 12:34 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@interia.pl>)
12990. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: FINORU
       right on artur yet hard to tell from here if the pic was taken from within norway or from precisely on fino ... There are now three new levels of MSN Hotmail
       Jan 31, 2004 @ 16:03 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12991. Re: source of rio grande etc
       ... perhaps ... specified ... the Mexican ... work toward a ... Rio Grande. but youve done it again maestro for besides ruling canby summit out you have
       Jan 31, 2004 @ 19:04 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12992. American ghost tripoints
       Mike, In one of your messages Re: Grosvenor on maps, you inventoried a small but intriguing collection of ghost points within the present USA. I commend you
       Jan 31, 2004 @ 19:42 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12993. Re: source of rio grande etc
       ... ok back again thanx the only other point i would like to continue in this sequel message before going on to other stuff since at least this much of the
       Jan 31, 2004 @ 20:05 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12994. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: source of rio grande etc
       thanx kevin very interesting the starting point i now believe we are looking for may well be a point on the divide between the rio grande & the colorado
       Jan 31, 2004 @ 20:40 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12995. Re: source of rio grande etc
       ... fall ... of ... hahahahaha what use of conventional english hahahaha & which usages or conventions in particular in the meantime greater care reading what
       Jan 31, 2004 @ 21:17 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
12996. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: source of rio grande etc
       Mike, ... The Republic of Texas statute (which by typographical error yesterday I dated as 1936 rather than 1836) has the boundary ascending the Rio Grande
       Jan 31, 2004 @ 21:27 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
12997. Re: source of rio grande etc
       spectacular the specific use of the word for source is the key i agree with you completely & glad we dont have to climb to the freakin ridge line too it looks
       Jan 31, 2004 @ 21:47 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
12998. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: FINORU
       I think you re right. I mean, no one wants trouble with russian border guards. Logically then, the picture is taken from the safe side, that is the Norwegian
       Feb 01, 2004 @ 00:03 - Petter Brabec ("Petter Brabec" <petter.brabec@...>)
12999. IQ border - but with whom?
       http://www.heise.de/tp/deutsch/inhalt/buch/15545/1.html Jesper
       Feb 01, 2004 @ 00:33 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13000. Re: [BoundaryPoint] IQ border - but with whom?
       Jesper, The photo is NOT at the crossing on the Iraqi boundary with Jordan. I ve seen that crossing on TV, and it does not look like this. Lowell G. McManus
       Feb 01, 2004 @ 00:55 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13001. Re: [BoundaryPoint] IQ border - but with whom?
       Can t see any markers either, if they would even be there ... http://www.heise.de/tp/deutsch/inhalt/buch/15545/1.html ... __________________________________ Do
       Feb 01, 2004 @ 01:55 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13002. DPLCZ
       I tried to mark a border line on map & picture from D-PL-CZ tripoint. Blue point on map is a place, where picture was taken from. Tripoint is on the middle of
       Feb 01, 2004 @ 19:14 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@interia.pl>)
13003. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: FINORU
       wow I ve looked at the tp monument from 11 different views. before the post of the map I was actually not correct in my visualization of the point. but now I
       Feb 02, 2004 @ 09:04 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13004. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: FINORU
       or FI-JA-CA HAAAAAAAAAAAA ouch! ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it!
       Feb 02, 2004 @ 09:07 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13005. Re: FINORU
       crystal river gazing here mike but still not seeing either of these tri entities you mention any more clues & a full report of a fresh ggwte greater groundhog
       Feb 02, 2004 @ 17:46 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13006. greater groundhog birthday & trypointing multi blowout
       did indeed leave big pine saturday nite as projected & barreling west on the tamiami trail at 80mph around 3am was wondering in the total solitude what this my
       Feb 02, 2004 @ 20:18 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13007. multi blowout part 2
       anyway the blonde turns out to be a first rate mechanic & she does finally manage with brute force & lots of jumping up & down to loosen 7 of the 8 lugnuts &
       Feb 02, 2004 @ 21:29 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13008. DEDK postcards
       http://gamlepostkort.dk/graenser.htm mostly 1864-1920 border, some present (1920-). Jesper
       Feb 02, 2004 @ 22:51 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13009. multi blowout part 3
       now before i continue i should probably insert here that i was still wondering how it was even possible to have reached a 20 on a 10scale i know i had been
       Feb 02, 2004 @ 23:08 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13010. AMAZGE
       www.kaukasus.dk/galleri.htm http://www.kaukasus.dk/galleri/004.jpg http://sunsite.berkeley.edu:8085/azerbaijan/100k/K-38-103.jpg Jesper
       Feb 02, 2004 @ 23:13 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13011. RE: [BoundaryPoint] AMAZGE
       beauty is this a tripoint monument trio then on location or displaced like the chdefr monument ... What are the 5 hot job markets for 2004? Click here to find
       Feb 03, 2004 @ 15:12 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13012. Re: AMAZGE
       Doesn t it say in Danish that the whole monument has been blown up? Peter S.
       Feb 03, 2004 @ 15:15 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13013. A Page From allAfrica.com
       ... SENDPAGE SERVICE -- ALLAFRICA.COM The following page link has been sent to you by one of our readers. AllAfrica offers this facility as a service to our
       Feb 03, 2004 @ 15:30 - moc.il@li.com (moc.il@...)
13014. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: AMAZGE
       You are right, Peter. I wonder how it looks today. The text says : Monument for unbreakable friendship between Georgian, Armenien and Azerbaijan people ,
       Feb 03, 2004 @ 16:50 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13015. Three parish monument
       http://www.jbutler.org.uk/e2e/ssw/w6/index.shtml
       Feb 03, 2004 @ 18:11 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13016. cnmnruw
       http://www.bluepeak.net/mongolia/old/tavan_bogd2.htm
       Feb 03, 2004 @ 18:32 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13017. cnkpru ?
       http://www.chinarainbow.com/english/wjhz/kfshq.htm
       Feb 03, 2004 @ 18:43 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13018. Re: [BoundaryPoint] AMAZGE
       I don t know. Judging from the map 1: 100 000, the tripoint is on a southern slope of mountain called Babakjar approximately 600 m above the sea. The terrain
       Feb 03, 2004 @ 18:44 - Petter Brabec ("Petter Brabec" <petter.brabec@...>)
13019. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Strovilia in Cyprus
       http://www.in.gr/innews/2000/greece/g_jul02.htm ... From: chris To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 8:51 AM Subject: Re:
       Feb 03, 2004 @ 21:06 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13020. Re: cnkpru ?
       Yes, Jesper! Cf. http://www.cbprim.ru/rel2001/rel0148.htm Peter S.
       Feb 03, 2004 @ 21:37 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13021. Re: AMAZGE
       ... wrote: (...)As I see it, the monument does not seem to be placed on the actual tripoint, but rather on a visible place by the road as
       Feb 03, 2004 @ 21:43 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13022. Border operations
       http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/documents/BorderOps/ch5.htm
       Feb 03, 2004 @ 21:47 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13023. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border operations
       Should have been http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/documents/BorderOps/content.htm ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February
       Feb 03, 2004 @ 21:56 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13024. BE2VL3ANOVVB - close to BE2VLc
       A simple but elegant triprovincial marker (Antwerp, East Flanders, Flemish Brabant), according to the story very close to the (unmarked) geographical centre of
       Feb 03, 2004 @ 22:08 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13025. Re: AMAZGE
       (...)the kurgan druzby (BYLTLV, if I recall correctly, (...) Or BYLVRU ?... Peter S.
       Feb 03, 2004 @ 22:14 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13026. Re: cnkpru ?
       Closer still... http://www.ecdc.net.cn/regions/english/tumen/huncun_e01.htm ...
       Feb 03, 2004 @ 22:38 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13027. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BE2VL3ANOVVB - close to BE2VLc
       Flanders fields feature prominently on the reverse of the Canadian $10 bill. This is to pay tribute to soldiers and peacekeeping. The story here:
       Feb 03, 2004 @ 22:43 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
13028. Re: cnkpru !
       A popular photographer s spot.. http://www.cam.hi-ho.ne.jp/kuboshima/Yanbian/Hunchun/Hunchun.html http://member.netease.com/~hunchun/IMG/fangchuan.jpg
       Feb 04, 2004 @ 09:28 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13029. Re: cnkpru !
       That s why on this point there s a chinese observation tower as a tourist attraction. See at the bottom of:
       Feb 04, 2004 @ 12:37 - marcelmiquelcat ("marcelmiquelcat" <marcelmiquel@...>)
13030. Is this a CHNP border marker?
       http://www.danciprari.com/images/worldtrip/tibet/ti-kodari-zhangmu-friendship-bridge-kristen-view-600.jpg Jesper
       Feb 04, 2004 @ 16:33 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13031. Re: Is this a CHNP border marker?
       Is this one? http://www.globalhopkins.com/images/tibet/pages/IMG_6165.htm ... friendship-bridge-kristen-view-600.jpg
       Feb 04, 2004 @ 16:45 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13032. [BoundaryPoint] Re: cnkpru !
       Great pictures, but where are they taken from? I cannot make the map and pictures work out. There are two bridges at
       Feb 04, 2004 @ 16:59 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13033. Re: [BoundaryPoint] AMAZGE
       According to the photographer, it s taken from the main road where the three countries meet . He hasn t been back. Jesper ... From: Petter Brabec To:
       Feb 04, 2004 @ 17:59 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13034. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Is this a CHNP border marker?
       The line on the bridge http://wolfgang.praegler.bei.t-online.de/serie-nepal.html ... From: Peter Smaardijk To:
       Feb 04, 2004 @ 18:55 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13035. Re: cnkpru !
       The only thing I can say is that http://homepage2.nifty.com/vladivostok/khasan3koku.jpg is one of the markers mentioned in the tripoint agreement. Probably at
       Feb 04, 2004 @ 22:22 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13036. Re: cnkpru !
       ... the ... location ... ... not CNRU marker no. 1 (and the number would be 423; this is also tripoint witness marker no. 1), but tripoint witness marker no. 3
       Feb 04, 2004 @ 22:31 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13037. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: cnkpru !
       Great pictures, but where are they taken from? I cannot make the map and pictures work out. There are two bridges at
       Feb 04, 2004 @ 16:26 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13038. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: AMAZGE
       
       Feb 05, 2004 @ 12:51 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@...>)
13039. Re: cnkpru !
       From the maps, the tripoint is located in the middle of Tumugan river, north of the railway bridge connecting Korea PDR and Russia. Yet, as one picture shows,
       Feb 05, 2004 @ 13:25 - pete2784west ("pete2784west" <petter.brabec@...>)
13040. Re: cnkpru !
       Just to clarify: http://homepage2.nifty.com/vladivostok/khasan3koku.jpg = tripoint witness marker no. 3 (cf. agreement:
       Feb 05, 2004 @ 13:47 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13041. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: cnkpru !
       Nice clarification, Peter. What it means is that none of the border markers are actually on the russian map from 1970 or mentioned on the other map. The
       Feb 05, 2004 @ 16:10 - Petter Brabec ("Petter Brabec" <petter.brabec@...>)
13042. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: AMAZGE
       ... middle of Rhine river, but on the shore! Clearly/! ... You mean tripoint MONUMENT!! Jesper
       Feb 05, 2004 @ 18:44 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13043. Re: cnkpru !
       yes but i think that was already clear by message 12472 & it seems the question for us now that we have seen all these new pix is can we point to the actual
       Feb 05, 2004 @ 19:33 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13044. New ID accepted by Canadian officials
       Proof that Canadian officials can be grumpy too: http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/7880637.htm Doug
       Feb 05, 2004 @ 19:40 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
13045. Vermont, New Hampshire commemorate state border
       http://www.cmonitor.com/stories/news/newengla2004/nh%5F%5Fborder%5Ftradi tion%5F2004.shtml
       Feb 05, 2004 @ 19:58 - Beckett, Bob ("Beckett, Bob" <bob.beckett@...>)
13046. UK enclave in CY?
       http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/cy^sba.html#sba
       Feb 05, 2004 @ 20:04 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13047. Re: cnkpru !
       Awesome, Michael! Congratulations and welcome to the club! Bill ... recently ... 10
       Feb 05, 2004 @ 22:02 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
13048. Re: [BoundaryPoint] UK enclave in CY?
       Jesper, ... It s questionable whether the aforementioned territory (which I suspect is the radar station on Mount Olympus) can really be claimed as an enclave.
       Feb 05, 2004 @ 22:12 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
13049. Re: New ID accepted by Canadian officials
       ... why is it needed & why offered here or what do you like about it & why
       Feb 05, 2004 @ 22:37 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13050. Re: cnkpru - more pictures
       Some more pics (they seem to connect): http://members.jcom.home.ne.jp/nagune/p352.jpg http://members.jcom.home.ne.jp/nagune/p081.jpg Peter S.
       Feb 05, 2004 @ 22:43 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13051. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: New ID accepted by Canadian officials
       I give up. I will be on IBRG if anyone wants me. ...
       Feb 05, 2004 @ 22:44 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
13052. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: cnkpru - more pictures
       Border fence along the road? Jesper ... From: Peter Smaardijk To: Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004
       Feb 05, 2004 @ 22:51 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13053. Re: cnkpru - more pictures
       ... Your guess is as good as mine. Time to do a GFABE? (Far East of course) Peter S.
       Feb 05, 2004 @ 22:53 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13054. Re: cnkpru - more pictures
       GFEBE !
       Feb 05, 2004 @ 22:54 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13055. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: cnkpru - more pictures
       To few tripoints in the area. :-( GSEABE would be better. ... From: Peter Smaardijk To: Sent: Thursday,
       Feb 05, 2004 @ 22:56 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13056. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: cnkpru - more pictures
       GFEABE ... From: Peter Smaardijk To: Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 11:54 PM Subject:
       Feb 05, 2004 @ 22:59 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13057. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: cnkpru - more pictures
       That fence looks like the one that was on the right hand side of the photo with the monument. ... ...
       Feb 05, 2004 @ 22:55 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
13058. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: cnkpru - more pictures
       It must be a patrol road ... From: Doug Murray To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 11:55 PM Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re:
       Feb 05, 2004 @ 23:08 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13059. Re: cnkpru - more pictures
       ... this latter pic appears to be by far the best pic we have & if the fence observed by jesper does indeed mark cnru then cnru marker 1 aka 423 should be on
       Feb 05, 2004 @ 23:23 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13060. Re: cnkpru !
       ... are you sure you see 2 bridges i only see 1 bridge on this map anywhere near the triarea & we only see 1 bridge on any of the pix
       Feb 05, 2004 @ 23:30 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13061. Re: cnkpru - more pictures
       What about that line of things (buoys?) just in front of the bridge, across the river? I think that the fence there has been put up by one of the countries
       Feb 05, 2004 @ 23:32 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13062. Re: cnkpru !
       ... There is another one further upstream. I have seen this CNKP bridge on other photographs. It isn t near the tripoint area for sure. Peter S.
       Feb 05, 2004 @ 23:35 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13063. Re: cnkpru - more pictures
       yes thats a much better thesis so lets call that line of buoys the triline for now good explanation for it besides halfway across the river just as the treaty
       Feb 05, 2004 @ 23:42 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13064. Re: BE2VL3ANOVVB - close to BE2VLc
       really doug as usual when you are this far off point please just tell us what you like about your offering & why & as you suggest ibrg really might be just
       Feb 05, 2004 @ 23:53 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13065. Re: Border operations
       what do you like about any of this & why these are fair questions & it is well to ask them again & again as you know we are a multipointing society when
       Feb 06, 2004 @ 00:43 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13066. Re: cnmnruw
       interesting so are you making a tripoint claim or just a neighborhood call
       Feb 06, 2004 @ 00:48 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13067. Re: American ghost tripoints
       ... but intriguing collection of ghost points within the present USA. I commend = you for your ingenuity in rooting these out thanx lowell i have been
       Feb 06, 2004 @ 01:48 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13068. Re: Grosvenor on maps
       ... well to begin with if we are to critique the intrinsic truth of this offering i think we need to question whether boundaries really do compose tripoints a
       Feb 06, 2004 @ 02:35 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13069. Re: American ghost tripoints
       ... l = but intriguing collection of ghost points within the present USA. I commen= d = you for your ingenuity in rooting these out thanx
       Feb 06, 2004 @ 03:03 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13070. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American ghost tripoints
       Mike, ... Yes, I have indeed begun to see exactly what you have begun to mean! I will expound more upon it and answer your additional specific questions when
       Feb 06, 2004 @ 06:36 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13071. Re: cnkpru - more pictures
       May this page help us? http://vn.vladnews.ru/Arch/2003/ISS369/News/upd25.HTM There s a nice shot of a russian bordermarker near the tp. marcel ... countries
       Feb 06, 2004 @ 15:41 - marcelmiquelcat ("marcelmiquelcat" <marcelmiquel@...>)
13072. Re: cnkpru - more pictures
       It s probably one of a pair of KPRU markers (on the RU side). It isn t CNRU marker no. 423 a.k.a. tripoint witness marker no. 1 - it s on the other side of the
       Feb 06, 2004 @ 16:00 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13073. is this anything
       http://www.ahlering.de/_Dreilandereck_/_dreilandereck_.html found while looking for the tower promised in message 12959 & which we had seen earlier anyway so
       Feb 06, 2004 @ 17:29 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13074. Re: cnkpru !
       thank you grand dad of our country & what a little sharpshooter she is already
       Feb 06, 2004 @ 18:10 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13075. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: cnkpru - more pictures
       Is this the beginning of kpru? http://www.fegi.ru/prim/range/tuman.htm J ... From: Peter Smaardijk To:
       Feb 06, 2004 @ 19:27 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13076. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: cnmnruw
       if the peak of Tavan Bogd is the tripoint and the team is at the peak it must be a tripoint claim. Jesper ... From: acroorca2002 To:
       Feb 06, 2004 @ 19:44 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13077. Witness markers
       What do you actually mean by witness marker? - indirect official border marker? - unoffcial monument for the cooperation/friendship etc of the countries? or...
       Feb 06, 2004 @ 20:24 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13078. Re: Witness markers
       this term may have originated in the usa where it means an official indirect border marker on which the exact distance & direction to the tripoint are
       Feb 06, 2004 @ 22:53 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13079. Verena Hof & other enclaves
       I found a list of enclaves at http://www2.uta.edu/stillwell/notes-file/enclaves.htm (perhaps this Mr Stephen Stillwell is a member of this list?). The lists
       Feb 07, 2004 @ 01:34 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
13080. Enclaves
       Sorry for bothering you all again, If you go to http://www.ethnia.org/ and search for enclave you will get 44 entries. Some of them are ex-enclaves.
       Feb 07, 2004 @ 01:59 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
13081. Re: cnkpru - more pictures
       On the 20th of June of 2002, the final protocol of the tri-junction of the boundaries between and among China, Korea DPR and Russia has been signed. Anybody
       Feb 07, 2004 @ 07:15 - pete2784west ("pete2784west" <petter.brabec@...>)
13082. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: cnkpru - more pictures
       Witness marker 1 (aka CN-RU 423): We know this is exactly on the CN-RU boundary and is exactly on the point where CN-RU hits the CNKP condo (CN-CNKP-RU). So
       Feb 07, 2004 @ 07:20 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@yahoo.com>)
13083. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American ghost tripoints
       The question of a ghost international tripoint at the intersection of the 31st parallel and the Mississippi River (or anywhere east of there along the
       Feb 07, 2004 @ 07:49 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13084. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Witness markers
       I believe a witness marker is an indirect marking of a border. When a border is in the middle of a stream, sometimes witness markers are placed on either side
       Feb 07, 2004 @ 08:06 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
13085. Re: cnkpru !
       ... 3). ... Message #12459 contains probably the best and most accurate description of the border markers and theirs location I ve seen yet. I suspect, that
       Feb 07, 2004 @ 08:35 - pete2784west ("pete2784west" <petter.brabec@...>)
13086. Re: cnkpru - more pictures
       As I understand it: The border marker 423 is originally Russian- chinese only, but probably for the convenience of setting up a borderline which ends in the
       Feb 07, 2004 @ 10:15 - pete2784west ("pete2784west" <petter.brabec@...>)
13087. VT-NH border dispute commemorated
       Article about the septannual commemoration of the settling of the disputed NH-VT border: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?
       Feb 07, 2004 @ 16:01 - adamnvillani ("adamnvillani" <avillani@...>)
13088. Re: cnkpru - more pictures
       ... i figure you must mean the tripoint markers here petter not the tripoints themselves but i agree we are really talking about 2 distinct tripoints here
       Feb 07, 2004 @ 17:03 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13089. Re: Witness markers
       ... yes i agree with this too ... but wait these are already totally unrelated arent they hahahaha & why these particular nonriparian witness marks ... & these
       Feb 07, 2004 @ 17:20 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13090. Re: American ghost tripoints
       ... 31st parallel and the Mississippi River (or anywhere east of there along the parallel) all boils down to the evolving status of West Florida as the re=
       Feb 07, 2004 @ 18:28 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13091. [BoundaryPoint] Re: Witness markers
       ... Here is another: http://images.enclaves.org/jungholz/sorgsc23.jpg (Source: http://wald.heim.at/schwarzwald/521440/sorgschrofen.htm) I think the picture
       Feb 07, 2004 @ 19:16 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
13092. Re: cnmnruw
       the ibs does mention taban bogd presumably the summit so do you suppose this photo series includes a class d or c look at the actual tripoint no clear marker
       Feb 07, 2004 @ 19:24 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13093. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: cnmnruw
       I have written to the people for an explanation. Jesper ... From: acroorca2002 To: Sent: Saturday, February
       Feb 07, 2004 @ 19:30 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13094. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: cnkpru !
       http://babelfish.altavista.com actually translates from Japanese. Jesper
       Feb 07, 2004 @ 19:33 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13095. Re: Witness markers
       i am still puzzled why such indirect demarcation would be used on completely dry land & also what makes these particular markers into witness markers rather
       Feb 07, 2004 @ 19:46 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13096. [BoundaryPoint] Re: Witness markers
       ... In case of the first two markers, with the text Weiser fuer on them, it is quite clear that they are witness (or indirect) markers. Firstly because the
       Feb 07, 2004 @ 20:33 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
13097. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American ghost tripoints
       ... That s fine with me. To each his own. If those are your standards, then it was a tripoint. ... That they were! I m just a bit hesitant to ordain a spot
       Feb 07, 2004 @ 22:38 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13098. Re: American ghost tripoints
       ... good point i understand unless a tripoint has full tripartite agreement & full de facto compliance it isnt unqualified absolutely but even today & even at
       Feb 08, 2004 @ 02:22 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13099. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American ghost tripoints
       ... I don t know when the provisional GBUS treaty of 1783 was ratified and effective, but the ESGB treaty by which Britain ceded the Floridas to Spain was
       Feb 08, 2004 @ 02:42 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13100. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American ghost tripoints
       On third reading, I now understand your question (I think). I don t know which treaty, whether, ESGB or GBUS, was signed earlier on September 3, 1783, nor how
       Feb 08, 2004 @ 02:51 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13101. Re: American ghost tripoints
       fantastic research by you here again lowell for you have indeed narrowed the ephemerality of the de jure 1783esgbus1783 tripoint at 31st & miss down to a
       Feb 08, 2004 @ 14:03 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13102. Re: American ghost tripoints
       ... the provisional gbus was 30 nov 1782 & the 1783 gbus of 3 sept was not provisional but definite however you do raise an interesting quandary my de jure
       Feb 08, 2004 @ 14:43 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13103. Re: Witness markers
       interesting so could the lingering slight uncertainty about the exact position of the jungholz boundary cross perhaps hinge on whether a particular marker is
       Feb 08, 2004 @ 17:07 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13104. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American ghost tripoints
       ... Of course. My 1783 above was a typo. I meant 1782. ... I agree. ... The Articles of Confederation being in effect since March 1, 1781, ratification
       Feb 08, 2004 @ 19:09 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13105. Re: cnkpru - more pictures
       Funny, the decree from 1998 does not mention the 306,9 m from the border marker 1. If I follow you line of reasoning, this is because the entire line between
       Feb 08, 2004 @ 19:52 - pete2784west ("pete2784west" <petter.brabec@...>)
13106. Re: Enclaves
       Greetings, Christian, Verenahof is gone. It was traded to Switzerland by Germany in exchange for almost equal Swiss land immediately to its west. I have posted
       Feb 09, 2004 @ 01:21 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
13107. Re: cnkpru - more pictures
       ... whoops you are right & i thought thats where you were quoting it from hahaha but the text in message 12459 states no such distance er so where did you get
       Feb 09, 2004 @ 01:28 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13108. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: AMAZGE
       BYLVRU See Jan s site: http://geosite.jankrogh.com/borders/bylvru/friendship_hill.htm ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get
       Feb 09, 2004 @ 02:12 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13109. Re: American ghost tripoints
       ... good i appreciate that as well as these beautiful ratification confirmations so we might eat our cake & have it too also it is amusing to think that some
       Feb 09, 2004 @ 02:14 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13110. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Three parish monument
       What level is a parish? Is this a 3rd level tripoint? Can anyone explain the British subdivisions, so this point will be clearer? ...
       Feb 09, 2004 @ 02:27 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13111. Re: Three parish monument
       http://www.statistics.gov.uk/geography/parishes.asp
       Feb 09, 2004 @ 02:42 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13112. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American ghost tripoints
       ... Some stickler other than us, of course! :-) I ll dig around in British diplomatic history, perhaps tomorrow, and try to learn when the King put his
       Feb 09, 2004 @ 03:21 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13113. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Three parish monument
       Ok thanks. It seems Parishes are out of the loop, hierarchically speaking: http://www.statistics.gov.uk/geography/england.asp The most basic units (Electoral
       Feb 09, 2004 @ 04:14 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13114. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Three parish monument
       Oops. Answered my own question. http://www.statistics.gov.uk/geography/boundary_changes.asp ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo!
       Feb 09, 2004 @ 04:41 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13115. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Three parish monument
       Michael, ... Hmmm.. this is not straightforward anymore. Since the 1995-6 local government reforms, the administrative subdivisions have changed, and there is
       Feb 09, 2004 @ 09:49 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
13116. Humor on the border
       *Please note, the sender s email address has not been verified. article reports all nhvt rocks will be recovered & serviced this year presumably including a
       Feb 09, 2004 @ 13:40 - moc.il@li.com (moc.il@...)
13117. Neutral Zone ?
       G day, Remember the lozenge between Irak and Saudi Arabia that used to be white on all good altases ? Can someone tell me what happened to it ? And what was
       Feb 09, 2004 @ 14:21 - xrctn ("xrctn" <xrctn@...>)
13118. Re: is this anything
       ... Yes, I posted it here in message 6148. It is an old German tripoint of the electorate of Cologne, the county of Nassau, and the county of
       Feb 09, 2004 @ 15:15 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13119. CAUS - More tightening
       Monday  »  February 9  »  2004 Maine man faces $10,000 fine for going to church - in Quebec U.S. Customs bureau cut program allowing certain people to
       Feb 09, 2004 @ 15:18 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
13120. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Neutral Zone ?
       Xavier, ... The Saudi Arabia-Iraq neutral zone (as opposed to the Saudi Arabia-Kuwait neutral zone) was apparently partitioned between the two countries in
       Feb 09, 2004 @ 15:18 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
13121. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Neutral Zone ?
       hi, you may find some information on http://www.meij.or.jp/text/border/KSA-Kuwait/ksakwt1965.htm its about the treaty of the end of the situation. heres a link
       Feb 09, 2004 @ 16:04 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
13122. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CAUS - More tightening
       Is this in Estcourt Station? Wherever it is, it proves that US Customs learned nothing from the cross-border gas buying incident last March. In fact, it sounds
       Feb 09, 2004 @ 16:38 - Tom Sanders (Tom Sanders <laika899@...>)
13123. Re: cnkpru - more pictures
       ... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/12472 Peter S.
       Feb 09, 2004 @ 16:51 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13124. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CAUS - More tightening
       The difference this time is that it involves an American citizen. And, he didn t have a gun unlike the Canadian bozo last year. There is a better version of
       Feb 09, 2004 @ 17:12 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
13125. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CAUS - More tightening
       ... I don t really want to make a comment on this issue, except to mention a skiing trip I made last week. The ski area of La Thuile-La Rosiere straggles the
       Feb 09, 2004 @ 18:05 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
13126. Re: CAUS - More tightening
       ... mention a ... Rosiere ... I chose to ... the next, ... whatsoever, and in ... that I ... the US-CA ... fined ;-) good so i take it this is the comment you
       Feb 09, 2004 @ 21:02 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13127. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CAUS - More tightening
       Mike, ... I was reading your account about changing wheels the other day, and wondered what bearing it had on multipointing, particularly since your wheel nuts
       Feb 09, 2004 @ 21:53 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
13128. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Enclaves
       Thanks for the info Len! I have also recieved info from Chris Schulz (offline) about this. He also gives http://www.home.pages.at/maxifant/Frames/ver.htm as
       Feb 09, 2004 @ 22:01 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
13129. Re: CAUS - More tightening
       ... society ... day, and ... it was a remarkably multiple occurrence that i actually enjoyed as immensely as stated while en route specifically to the florida
       Feb 09, 2004 @ 22:50 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13130. Re: Verena Hof & other enclaves
       ... http://www2.uta.edu/stillwell/notes-file/enclaves.htm ... surrounded by Switzerland. Anyone who can ... but was your question answered in fact it is
       Feb 09, 2004 @ 23:27 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13131. Re: cnkpru - more pictures
       ... from the ... right of course thanx again & funny that the russians dont want to have anything to do with the condo if they dont have to for here there is
       Feb 09, 2004 @ 23:45 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13132. Re: cnkpru - more pictures
       ... from the ... right of course thanx again & funny that the russians dont want to have anything to do with the condo if they dont have to for here there is
       Feb 09, 2004 @ 23:53 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13133. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Humor on the border
       EMAIL THIS EmailAny chance the date for dropping the water level at manhvt can be posted in advance so that some of us can be there? Jack ... From:
       Feb 10, 2004 @ 01:26 - jparsell ("jparsell" <jparsell@...>)
13134. Re: Humor on the border
       yeah lets definitely try to be there for this the western massachusetts electric company dam in turners falls is whats holding the water level up so
       Feb 10, 2004 @ 02:29 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13135. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Humor on the border
       You read my mind! ... http://www.cmonitor.com/stories/news/state2004/nne__bordertradition_15_2004. ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo!
       Feb 10, 2004 @ 06:56 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13136. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CAUS - More tightening
       There are exceptions, however. Just last week I was down to Zero Avenue and Peach Arch Park on the Pacific coast. I stayed in Canada while exploring Zero
       Feb 10, 2004 @ 06:59 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
13137. Russia-North Korea demarcation
       News about the Russia-North Korea boundary: http://www.russiajournal.com/news/cnews-article.shtml?nd=42438
       Feb 10, 2004 @ 07:03 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
13138. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CAUS - More tightening
       ... http://www.mit.edu/~rjagnow/roadtrip02/images/120-2067_IMG.jpg _________________________________________________________________ Keep up with high-tech
       Feb 10, 2004 @ 13:57 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13139. Re: CAUS - More tightening
       ... as ... ok i see maybe these points were missed because their names were unfamiliar to newer members so for starters please see message 437 & the laorospo
       Feb 10, 2004 @ 14:46 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13140. [BoundaryPoint] BoundaryPoint - More tightening
       Mike, ... Your admirable multipointing credentials have never been in question. The question is whether there is any scope in this group to provide some
       Feb 10, 2004 @ 15:28 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
13141. Trip Planning? Border crossing tips!
       http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/tripplan/borders/ On main page nice picture of Botswana-Namibia crossing!
       Feb 10, 2004 @ 19:33 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@...>)
13142. Nice train story
       http://www.mebb.de/caucasus/0418.htm
       Feb 10, 2004 @ 19:46 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@...>)
13143. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CAUS - More tightening
       Ha! Nice Peach, but where s the Arch...? ... http://www.mit.edu/~rjagnow/roadtrip02/images/120-2067_IMG.jpg ... __________________________________ Do you
       Feb 10, 2004 @ 23:34 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13144. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Three parish monument
       Kevin - Thanks for making this much more clear with this detailed structure/history of subdivisions. Seems to be a very complicated system, but it makes much
       Feb 10, 2004 @ 23:55 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13145. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CAUS - More tightening
       They claim one here: http://www.eventswithpizazz.com/new_page_2.htm (fifth photo down on right) peach as in the color of the flowers I suppose Or here:
       Feb 11, 2004 @ 00:09 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13146. Re: BoundaryPoint - More tightening
       ... unfamiliar to ... question. yes i agree so thats not what this is about good The ... some ... good question i would think so & i for one would be quite
       Feb 11, 2004 @ 00:18 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13147. Re: CAUS - More tightening
       wow mine was just an arch peach but these are peaches of arches ... http://community.webshots.com/photo/41773310/41776595gDts Ir ...
       Feb 11, 2004 @ 00:33 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13148. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: BoundaryPoint - More tightening
       Mike, I think the point Kevin is trying to make is that you strayed off-topic telling your tire story. You sent entire messages with no multipointing content
       Feb 11, 2004 @ 01:53 - Brendan ("Brendan" <pit.hokie@...>)
13149. florida multipointing summary
       ... pointing ... now ... the visits & primary reports were as follows bacaja class b message 9171 bajawa class c message 9171 brcohe class c message 9123
       Feb 11, 2004 @ 01:56 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13150. Re: BoundaryPoint - More tightening
       ... off-topic ... multipointing ... well at least i tried to get my entire paposu & hepasu & tire story as reported in messages 13006 & 13007 & 13009 posted as
       Feb 11, 2004 @ 02:36 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13151. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CAUS - More tightening
       Whoops, there I go again! I suppose I shouldn t write about the Peace Arch when I m hungry. Mmmm... Peach Arch! ... ...
       Feb 11, 2004 @ 06:55 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
13152. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CAUS - More tightening
       heh heh heh :) Actually, when you look up peach arch in a search engine you can see just how often people do make this typo. (Google just gave me almost a
       Feb 11, 2004 @ 07:47 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13153. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Three parish monument
       Michael ... Yes, the journey is certainly in Scotland. As you say, the Tweed only forms the border between England and Scotland further downstream. ...
       Feb 11, 2004 @ 11:33 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
13154. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Three parish monument
       ... Here s a good map of the UK administrative divisions... http://www.statistics.gov.uk/geography/downloads/uk_laduacty.pdf Regards, Kevin Meynell
       Feb 11, 2004 @ 12:41 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
13155. Re: Trip Planning? Border crossing tips!
       ... it appears to be down at the moment but i believe www.nicolette.dk/borderbase actually solicits & would most appreciate pix of exotic border crossings like
       Feb 11, 2004 @ 13:41 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13156. Re: Three parish monument
       that was a superfine answer to that question kevin & now a truly great actual gameboard for the chase so is anyone aware of any interest in multipointing in
       Feb 11, 2004 @ 13:54 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13157. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CAUS - More tightening
       It would have been worse if I d written Peach Arse. I find 90% of the time I spell it Peach... I wonder why this is such a common error? Cheers!
       Feb 11, 2004 @ 14:30 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
13158. MXUS
       Nice aerial shot(s) of MX-US at the Pacific Ocean. Here s a huge file: http://www.californiacoastline.org/cgi-bin/
       Feb 11, 2004 @ 14:41 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
13159. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Three parish monument
       Mike, ... There are people interested in tracing county boundaries (see http://www.alanheaton.co.uk/ and
       Feb 11, 2004 @ 15:52 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
13160. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CAUS - More tightening
       Informal exceptions would have to be made for the International Peace Garden, and for the houses and commercial buildings bisected by the border. Or else you d
       Feb 11, 2004 @ 17:17 - Tom Sanders (Tom Sanders <laika899@...>)
13161. Border guard sleeve patches
       http://www.tridentmilitary.com/World.Insignia.Page1.html You can find here patches of border guards uniforms form around the world: for example: Belarus,
       Feb 11, 2004 @ 19:38 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@...>)
13162. Re: CAUS - More tightening
       ... actually you went 2 for 2 this time for a perfectly smooth 100 percent or nobody would even have noticed it I wonder why this is such a ... because of such
       Feb 12, 2004 @ 02:35 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13163. cnkpru mentioned again
       http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200402/200402110008.html i wonder if this kpru version of the tripoint is identical with the earlier cnru version
       Feb 12, 2004 @ 02:54 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
13164. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Three parish monument
       Ah yes I saw this map a few days ago when I was on the site. There is also a map showing the counties and regions, as well as one of London. ...
       Feb 12, 2004 @ 03:37 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13165. Israel Army Proposes to Create Enclaves
       I just created a photo library folder entitled WestBank , and placed a copy of the map created by the Washington Post which appeared in ther paper on Frbruary
       Feb 12, 2004 @ 04:05 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
13166. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Vermont, New Hampshire commemorate state border
       Here s the bridge This seems pretty far in for the low water mark In the second shot you can see how far away the Vermont bank/shore is from the border. Or
       Feb 12, 2004 @ 04:30 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@yahoo.com>)
13167. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Israel Army Proposes to Create Enclaves
       ... Examples from MXUS? Jesper
       Feb 12, 2004 @ 06:24 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13168. Costa Rica-Nicaragua disputed marker; 2 new possible TPs
       http://www.ticotimes.net/dailyarchive/2003_07/Week5/07_30_03.htm The relevant article entitled Foreign Ministry Denounces Mortar Attacks on Police by Tim
       Feb 12, 2004 @ 07:32 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13169. Re: Costa Rica-Nicaragua disputed marker; 2 new possible TPs
       http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0806/p07s01-woam.html Peter S.
       Feb 12, 2004 @ 09:39 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13170. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Three parish monumen British local government
       British local government is a 2-3 tier system. A county e.g. Essex will be divided up into districts Epping Forest, Brentwood, Castle point etc which in turn
       Feb 12, 2004 @ 11:20 - william burke ("william burke" <william@...>)
13171. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Three parish monument
       Michael, ... One final point.. the eight English regions (which exist above counties) are merely statistical units rather than administrative divisions
       Feb 12, 2004 @ 11:38 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
13172. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Israel Army Proposes to Create Enclaves
       http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/10911 Due to the changing course of the river, the bordermarker on the bridge is now directly over land on
       Feb 12, 2004 @ 12:17 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13173. Re: Costa Rica-Nicaragua disputed marker; 2 new possible TPs
       this was reported & commented on in real time & context in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/11213 but in the midst of the present blizzard
       Feb 12, 2004 @ 14:13 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13174. Re: Costa Rica-Nicaragua disputed marker; 2 new possible TPs
       ... Oops, I missed that message; I probably considered it to be part of last summer s fluff...
       Feb 12, 2004 @ 14:22 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13175. Re: Three parish monument
       ... http://www.bradfordhistorical.fsnet.co.uk/antiquary/third/vol04/bou ndary.html#watersheddles), ... the Bounds ...
       Feb 12, 2004 @ 14:31 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13176. Fwd: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Costa Rica-Nicaragua disputed marker; 2 new possible TPs
       ... http://www.latinnews.com/lrc/LRC2343.asp?instance=4 http://www.ocnus.net/cgi-bin/exec/view.cgi?archive=28&num=6223
       Feb 12, 2004 @ 14:56 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@...>)
13177. Re: Border guard sleeve patches
       ... around the world: for example: Belarus, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Armenia, Bosnia, Latvia, Moldova. this scorecard is not for you yet artur because i
       Feb 12, 2004 @ 14:58 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13178. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Border guard sleeve patches
       I understood. With troubles, but I did. And adopted.
       Feb 12, 2004 @ 15:08 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@...>)
13179. Re: Costa Rica-Nicaragua disputed marker; 2 new possible TPs
       ... ... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/11213 ... part of ... hahaha well you should still be commended if you can
       Feb 12, 2004 @ 15:46 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13180. brits triple ethiopia aid but press for immediate djeret try
       http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L11603551.htm
       Feb 12, 2004 @ 15:50 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13181. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Israel Army Proposes to Create Enclaves
       Michael, You ve almost got it. Not only the physical substance of the MXUS bridges, but also persons and traffic upon them are governed by the established
       Feb 12, 2004 @ 16:35 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13182. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Israel Army Proposes to Create Enclaves
       Thanks for clarifying this, Lowell. Yes, this does make more sense from a practical aspect. But it also adds a level of variability to the exact 3-D shape of
       Feb 12, 2004 @ 18:02 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13183. Re: Israel Army Proposes to Create Enclaves
       ... wait mike youve still almost got it but neither the border nor the border surface really moves with the people & the cars in fact border surface as such is
       Feb 13, 2004 @ 00:39 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13184. Re: Israel Army Proposes to Create Enclaves
       for the full text of the washington post article & 9 points of allegedly misleading info in it http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=2&x_outlet=38&x_ar
       Feb 13, 2004 @ 01:17 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13185. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border guard sleeve patches
       How come no LT border guard patches? Maybe too many were given out on the GBBE? :-O ... http://www.tridentmilitary.com/World.Insignia.Page1.html ...
       Feb 13, 2004 @ 04:34 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13186. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Is this a CHNP border marker?
       http://www.tibetinfo.net/reports/outtib/border1.htm Of course we have a nice CN-NP border atop Mt. Everest...aka WorldH, or World High point. However, I think
       Feb 13, 2004 @ 04:54 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13187. Re: Is this a CHNP border marker?
       another close-up http://www.travelchinaguide.com/picture/tibet/zhangmu-kathmandu/ marcel
       Feb 13, 2004 @ 09:10 - marcelmiquelcat ("marcelmiquelcat" <marcelmiquel@...>)
13188. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Is this a CHNP border marker?
       The town on the Nepalese side is Kodari while that on the Tibetan side is Kassa / Zhangmu. If you cross the line from Nepal, you would have to put your watch
       Feb 13, 2004 @ 11:05 - Richard Lam ("Richard Lam" <richardlam11@...>)
13189. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Is this a CHNP border marker?
       Here border marker can be seen as a white marker with black charackters. http://www.myphotographs.net/nepal/nepal001.jpg And here s another picture from CHNP
       Feb 13, 2004 @ 12:14 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@...>)
13190. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Is this a CHNP border marker?
       The first picture shows Sunauli checkpoint on Nepal - India border. The second looks like CHNP from some of the Chinese characters signboard on the building -
       Feb 13, 2004 @ 15:02 - Richard Lam ("Richard Lam" <richardlam11@...>)
13191. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Is this a CHNP border marker?
       I think the white maker is not a border marker, but just announcing the distance to the Nepali city of Butwal, a little further in from the border of Nepal and
       Feb 13, 2004 @ 21:52 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13192. Re: Is this a CHNP border marker?
       the cnnp tripoints aka cninnpe & cninnpw are identified in http://www.law.fsu.edu/library/collection/LimitsinSeas/IBS050.pdf cninnpe was recently clarified as
       Feb 14, 2004 @ 00:58 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13193. A Page From allAfrica.com
       ... SENDPAGE SERVICE -- ALLAFRICA.COM The following page link has been sent to you by one of our readers. AllAfrica offers this facility as a service to our
       Feb 14, 2004 @ 01:54 - moc.il@li.com (moc.il@...)
13194. bwnazmzw try imminent
       welcome henry & best wishes on your upcoming try the great quadricountry point hope has always been one of our keenest interests the following selections from
       Feb 14, 2004 @ 03:19 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
13195. correction Re: bwnazmzw try imminent
       ... keenest ... any help to ... oops this should have been 5035 7414 10289 10614 11592 11680 11735 11974 ... close as anyone ... findings ... I was ... state
       Feb 14, 2004 @ 03:30 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13196. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Israel Army Proposes to Create Enclaves
       I guess it s how you define it. I gather your interpretation is that of taking infinite horizontal-plane crossections of the space we have in question. Then
       Feb 14, 2004 @ 07:41 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13197. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Israel Army Proposes to Create Enclaves
       But I don t get why you say there is no variability. In a particular horizantal cross section, the boundaries drawn will be different in different scenarios.
       Feb 14, 2004 @ 07:49 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13198. Turkey-Cyprus
       The point of this is news about Cyprus: http://www.itv.com/news/205448.html
       Feb 14, 2004 @ 16:37 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
13199. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Israel Army Proposes to Create Enclaves
       I understand everything that you re saying, but I refuse to go there. A typical boundary might be considered analogous to an imaginary vertical wall stretching
       Feb 14, 2004 @ 22:27 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13200. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: American ghost tripoints
       On February 8th, I wrote (regarding the British-Spanish Treaty of Paris of ... Well, I didn t get to it until today, but I have been entirely unable to come up
       Feb 15, 2004 @ 04:50 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13201. Re: Israel Army Proposes to Create Enclaves
       Item 1 - Exclaves or not? There have been articles asserting (with substance) that the Israeli s are shaping for themselves what will be de-facto and de-jure
       Feb 15, 2004 @ 05:28 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
13202. Re: Is this a CHNP border marker?
       ... side is ... to put ... the ... Dear List, Hello. I just recently joined this list through an introduction. I hope to be able to contribute to this list.
       Feb 15, 2004 @ 13:35 - alexander_6th ("alexander_6th" <silentcity@...>)
13203. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Turkey-Cyprus
       Old news (23 Apr 2003) Jesper ... From: Doug Murray To: Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004
       Feb 15, 2004 @ 19:04 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13204. Saudi Arabia-Yemen (saye)
       http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/040209/photos_wl_me_afp/040209213130_pzsj1hvc_photo0
       Feb 15, 2004 @ 21:31 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13205. Re: Saudi Arabia-Yemen (saye)
       it looks like omsaye joins ltplru in the elite tricountry quadripoint class http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/yemen_ admin_2002.jpg
       Feb 16, 2004 @ 03:08 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13206. Re: Is this a CHNP border marker?
       ... Tibetan ... would have ... with ... now ... should be able ... A ... border has a 3 ... true & tho most time zone maps dont show it nor is it necessarily
       Feb 16, 2004 @ 03:42 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13207. Re: Israel Army Proposes to Create Enclaves
       right the interface between the bridge surface & the airspace above it is actually left indefinite by the treaty nor as you say is there evidently any
       Feb 16, 2004 @ 04:15 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13208. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Israel Army Proposes to Create Enclaves
       Your description of the Solidarity Bridge at Colombia is correct. Almost all highway bridges on the Rio Grande lack superstructures. Most of those that have
       Feb 16, 2004 @ 06:03 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13209. Re: Is this a CHNP border marker?
       ... introduction. I ... difference. ... I ve now read that message. The Chinese-Afghan border does not have a border crossing. So we can phrase the question
       Feb 16, 2004 @ 12:02 - alexander_6th ("alexander_6th" <silentcity@...>)
13210. Re: Israel Army Proposes to Create Enclaves
       ... there. ... imaginary vertical wall ... the atmosphere ... obtains on MXUS ... anything but ... correct since i believe the only other extant claimant to
       Feb 16, 2004 @ 16:21 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13211. Re: Is this a CHNP border marker?
       ... ... the ... border ... change is ... right at least not a currently functional official one but i believe it is crossed by a natural
       Feb 16, 2004 @ 16:42 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13212. Jungholz again, again...
       Dear BP members - long time no hear..:-) Just talked to Mr. Tauscher in Jungholz - you know, t h e expert in this little Austrian enclave, sorry NO
       Feb 16, 2004 @ 17:07 - Peter Hering (Peter Hering <hering@...>)
13213. CHNP Friendship bridge again
       http://ecommerce.cit.gu.edu.au/ComeRideWithMe/journey/0323.html http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ian.goldby/nepal2001/day16.html
       Feb 16, 2004 @ 20:08 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@...>)
13214. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CHNP Friendship bridge again
       The list is long: http://www.nicolette.dk/borderbase/plinks.php?cid=30&nid=101 What is the most photographed border point? I think the three most popular
       Feb 16, 2004 @ 21:04 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13215. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Jungholz again, again...
       hi peter, just a suggestion to update the trip to an expedition: maybe try to find the switzerland quatripoints:
       Feb 16, 2004 @ 22:48 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
13216. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Is this a CHNP border marker?
       ... From: alexander_6th To: Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 8:02 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Is
       Feb 17, 2004 @ 11:43 - Richard Lam ("Richard Lam" <richardlam11@...>)
13217. brgysr map
       http://www.guyanaca.com/suriname/appendix3.html marcel
       Feb 17, 2004 @ 16:19 - marcelmiquelcat ("marcelmiquelcat" <marcelmiquel@...>)
13218. Re: brgysr map
       Just bear in mind http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/3248 again. BRGYSR is in dispute. But I admit that Guyana has a case here... Peter S.
       Feb 17, 2004 @ 17:36 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13219. Re: brgysr map
       ... hard to tell if this is the zoom of that or a completely different position http://www.fantasticfrogs.com/surinamkutari.jpg also hard to tell if this
       Feb 17, 2004 @ 18:00 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13220. Re: CHNP Friendship bridge again
       right & indeed all the lists of border pix are growing longer & longer & of course that is simply because borders & border pix are so obvious & ubiquitous by
       Feb 17, 2004 @ 19:21 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13221. Re: Jungholz again, again...
       ... way of marking our 4-point by painting it on a large piece of ... name ... bravos pete & this will complete the tricountry points of austria too wont it
       Feb 18, 2004 @ 20:32 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13222. MXPCUS CAPCOR
       PC = Patific Ocean Nice areal shot of MXUS-PAcific Ocean at: http://www.californiacoastline.org/cgi-bin/image.cgi?image=10108&mode=sequential&flags=0 But where
       Feb 18, 2004 @ 20:48 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13223. RE: [BoundaryPoint] MXPCUS CAPCOR
       Re: stone on beach at presumed CAOR, probably not. The site creator claims the CAOR boundary is denoted by the crease in the trees to the right of the house in
       Feb 18, 2004 @ 20:58 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
13224. Re: [BoundaryPoint] MXPCUS CAPCOR
       And BM 41? http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=10&n=4650308.00012423&e=399604.999999353&datum=nad83 Jesper ... From: Flynn, Kevin To:
       Feb 18, 2004 @ 21:12 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13225. RE: [BoundaryPoint] MXPCUS CAPCOR
       I guess that would mark the state boundary, but it might not be visible in the californiacoastline.org photo. The topo doesn t show the house in the photo. It
       Feb 18, 2004 @ 21:35 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
13226. Re: Israel Army Proposes to Create Enclaves
       i wonder why all these questions are still out there waiting for answers but as quests & pointing tries all questions are worthy ... not by our normal
       Feb 18, 2004 @ 22:24 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13227. Re: MXPCUS CAPCOR
       this beach location & monument 212 nearby at an elevation of probably 41 feet above sea level were visited by jc & me & reported in real time in message 2806
       Feb 18, 2004 @ 22:52 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13228. New territory
       All, FYI - The Åland Islands (an autonomous territory of Finland) was added to the ISO 3166-1 list of countries and territories on 13 February 2004. The
       Feb 18, 2004 @ 23:24 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
13229. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: MXPCUS CAPCOR
       Is the boundary marker you saw the same one that appears in the referenced photo? The tall white post in the circular gravel clearing at the tree line, at the
       Feb 19, 2004 @ 00:40 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
13230. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: MXPCUS CAPCOR
       For the last two hours, I haven been carefully studying and measuring a variety of topo maps and aerial photos and comparing them with the photos on the
       Feb 19, 2004 @ 02:37 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@msn.com>)
13231. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: MXPCUS CAPCOR
       Kevin, Attached is an extreme close-up of the items in question. You will see that this is a volleyball court with an orange marker at each corner and a net
       Feb 19, 2004 @ 02:47 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@msn.com>)
13232. OR state park at CA boundary
       Here s a link to the Crissey Field State Recreation Site at the old WWII airport by the CAOR boundary: http://www.oregonstateparks.org/park_74.php . Lowell G.
       Feb 19, 2004 @ 03:22 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13233. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: MXPCUS CAPCOR
       Thanks. I forgot that the photos were available in extremely large size that allowed such enlargements! I had used it to look into Barbra Streisand s dining
       Feb 19, 2004 @ 06:13 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
13234. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: MXPCUS CAPCOR
       Url please?! Jesper ... From: Flynn, Kevin To: Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 7:13 AM
       Feb 19, 2004 @ 06:21 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13235. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: MXPCUS CAPCOR
       Which is also to the right of the other house ?! Jesper ... From: Lowell G. McManus To: Sent:
       Feb 19, 2004 @ 06:28 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13236. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: MXPCUS CAPCOR
       Yes, the yellow line that I propose does follow a crease in the trees to the right of a house, but I understood that description to mean the more obvious
       Feb 19, 2004 @ 07:09 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13237. info on 2 Austrian tripoints
       Hello BP - conc. Mike D s comments on these tripoints: 1- At Ch Li S + 2- At Ch It... I ve made some research and send you these attachments: btw, just to make
       Feb 19, 2004 @ 09:35 - Peter Hering (Peter Hering <hering@mail.dk>)
13238. Haiti-Dominican Republic
       Here s a news story with some information on the border that divides the island of Hispaniola. http://tinyurl.com/365xe Doug
       Feb 19, 2004 @ 14:35 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
13239. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: MXPCUS CAPCOR
       Which other house? The photo caption pretty clearly refers to the one nearest the beach. Lowell, I am curious why you drew the line so that your presumed
       Feb 19, 2004 @ 16:51 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
13240. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: MXPCUS CAPCOR
       ...meant to add before hitting send on prior post.... Because the maps I looked at seem to indicate the houses (Seaview Lane, etc. on the east side of US 101)
       Feb 19, 2004 @ 16:55 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
13241. dk2e
       We have been seeing some N. American coastal border, which is sort of also a tripoint, right? Here is dk2e, the easternmost second division / county boundary
       Feb 19, 2004 @ 17:24 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
13242. Re: dk2e
       ... of also a tripoint, right? yes but only sort of because oregon & california dont really stop at the ocean but continue out to sea all the way to their
       Feb 19, 2004 @ 18:20 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13243. corrected map re Re: dk2e
       ... ... sort ... oops but if you would click again on the now corrected url above & then select the 100k map scale & large size & 500k zoom
       Feb 19, 2004 @ 18:38 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13244. Re: MXPCUS CAPCOR
       yes that is my guess too in fact i think jespers original guess at the white object on the edge of the beach that turned out to be a volley ball cabinet has
       Feb 19, 2004 @ 19:19 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13245. Re: Haiti-Dominican Republic
       why is it here or what do you like about it ... divides
       Feb 19, 2004 @ 19:23 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13246. Re: info on 2 Austrian tripoints
       ... good that settles atchit & nice going to sidestep this harder cross too but i still think you may have a nice cross to climb for atchlis of which your pic
       Feb 19, 2004 @ 19:37 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13247. Re: New territory
       but is this ax worthy of being a bp diglyph like when would we even have occasion to use it in a hexaglyph & meanwhile the worthy axworthy himself has arrived
       Feb 19, 2004 @ 20:00 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13248. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New territory
       ... I don t know (yet), but people can t even try if they re unaware of it s existence! Cheers, Kevin Meynell
       Feb 19, 2004 @ 20:16 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
13249. nice scan of western qalacha
       
       Feb 19, 2004 @ 22:41 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@gmx.de>)
13250. Re: Is this a CHNP border marker?
       ... Tokyo ... Well I know for a fact that at the present time, the CNAF does not have an official border crossing. So if I insert the word official into the
       Feb 20, 2004 @ 00:42 - alexander_6th ("alexander_6th" <silentcity@...>)
13251. Re: [BoundaryPoint] nice scan of western qalacha
       Tajik enclave in Kyrgyz territory. Also, note Communism twice on the map. ... name=western-qalacha.jpg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?
       Feb 20, 2004 @ 03:20 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13252. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: MXPCUS CAPCOR
       I figure Seaview Lane to be approximately 420 feet north of the boundary. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: Flynn, Kevin
       Feb 20, 2004 @ 04:37 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13253. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Israel Army Proposes to Create Enclaves
       Yes I thought about the corridor theory myself. It could be the height of the average tallest vehicle, or it could be the height of the tallest vehicle at any
       Feb 20, 2004 @ 04:50 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13254. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Haiti-Dominican Republic
       It is a border. I, and some others like borders. That is why it is here. If you wish it not to be here, click delete. And it will not be here. Or there. ...
       Feb 20, 2004 @ 04:56 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
13255. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: cnkpru - more pictures
       You say: & i also agree it isnt clear whether the joint zone extends all the way to the korean bank nor does it apparently matter to the russians who have no
       Feb 20, 2004 @ 06:14 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13256. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: MXPCUS CAPCOR
       ... I m not sure what the web site means to say. On first view, I took its description to refer to the large house near the beach and the crease in the
       Feb 20, 2004 @ 06:56 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@msn.com>)
13257. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: cnkpru - more pictures
       You wrote: i imagine there would have had to be some prior cnpk agreement regarding the exact borders of the joint zone which specified marker 423 aka 1 as its
       Feb 20, 2004 @ 07:13 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13258. Re: Verena Hof & other enclaves
       ... file/enclaves.htm ... this the same as Madha? ... Al-Khasab is the main town in the Musandam Peninsula so I assume that is what he is referring to. This
       Feb 20, 2004 @ 13:31 - alexander_6th ("alexander_6th" <silentcity@...>)
13259. Re: cnkpru - more pictures
       hahahaha hahahahaha logn ilev sydlexia
       Feb 20, 2004 @ 14:52 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13260. Re: cnkpru - more pictures
       hahahaha etc for this one is really even funnier than cnpk mike but it is you who have your brains crossed here as i will explain at length below ... wait
       Feb 20, 2004 @ 15:29 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13261. Re: Haiti-Dominican Republic
       ok thanx doug & would you also say why do you like borders or what do you like about them for you do seem to really like borders per se notwithstanding
       Feb 20, 2004 @ 16:26 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13262. Re: Israel Army Proposes to Create Enclaves
       ... well but you are disagreeing not with me but with the governments of mexico & the usa who havent improved on the text in 34 years precisely because they
       Feb 20, 2004 @ 16:37 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13263. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: MXPCUS CAPCOR
       I have no doubt that you ve correctly correlated the web image and the aerial photo with the same houses; my confusion stems from the fact that maps show the
       Feb 20, 2004 @ 17:28 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
13264. Re: Haiti-Dominican Republic
       for example here are 7 things i for 1 like about this doht border http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/americas/haiti_pol99.jpg showing 3 international trisecondary
       Feb 20, 2004 @ 18:51 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13265. Re: [BoundaryPoint] nice scan of western qalacha
       where is it? ... From: chris schulz To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 11:41 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] nice scan of western
       Feb 20, 2004 @ 18:55 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13266. Re: New territory
       ... it s ... ok & bravo for now you have put yourself or someone to the exceedingly delicious & challenging task of finding a multipoint that you could use
       Feb 20, 2004 @ 19:45 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13267. Re: nice scan of western qalacha
       ... message 13251 ... Service.
       Feb 20, 2004 @ 19:49 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13268. axworthy is axed yet again but remains keen on djeret try
       http://www.news24.com/News24/Africa/News/0,,2-11-1447_1487067,00.html
       Feb 20, 2004 @ 20:30 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13269. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New territory
       ... AL is an ISO 3166-2 ism, and should really be used in conjunction with its associated country code (i.e. FI-AL). AX was originally reserved for the Åland
       Feb 20, 2004 @ 20:44 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
13270. info on 2 AT tripoints
       The following items have been added to the photo section...: 1- Topomap tripoint At Ch It 2- pic of tripoint At Ch Li S - on Naafkopf . enjoy Peter Hering de
       Feb 20, 2004 @ 21:23 - Peter Hering (Peter Hering <hering@...>)
13271. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: dk2e
       ... No, I asked a few people some time ago, but did not end up with answer. The question is also, if it matters - to them! Do the counties and municipalities
       Feb 21, 2004 @ 13:12 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13272. Saatse EERU
       Searching the online Yahoo message database is extremely cumbersome so I haven t done a complete search to see if this subject has come up. I was chatting with
       Feb 21, 2004 @ 13:30 - Henry Hirose ("Henry Hirose" <silentcity@...>)
13273. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Saatse EERU
       It s a nice map, also with the former border. The GBBE visited the area last summer. I have photos from the area, but the road is very undramatic through
       Feb 21, 2004 @ 13:30 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13274. Re: Saatse EERU
       ... well yes it is in a way a set of training weights as it were specially adapted to this our unique gymnasium for precision searching & enjoyment & i think
       Feb 21, 2004 @ 16:26 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13275. Is this a ARCL border marker?
       http://www.virtualtourist.com/m/tt/37872/ Jesper
       Feb 21, 2004 @ 16:37 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13276. Re: New territory
       ... with its ... right so it is hard to see how this ax could ever be deftly wielded at bp the best hope for it namely trimunicipal points within aaland would
       Feb 21, 2004 @ 17:02 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13277. Re: Is this a ARCL border marker?
       possibly just possibly for here is a stylistically similar one http://www.bhc.edu/academics/science/harwoodr/rhweb/Chile2001/Tierra/I mages/D038-0272.jpg &
       Feb 21, 2004 @ 17:33 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13278. Musandam (was: Verena Hof & other enclaves)
       HH, I knew about the Musandam and Madha areas. Did not know that al-Khasab is the main town in Musandam. Thanks for your information. /Chris ... From:
       Feb 21, 2004 @ 20:14 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
13279. Point Province
       http://www.mcc.gouv.qc.ca/pamu/champs/archeo/partenai/richelie.htm#photo2 Hi, its in french and about province point. here another map:
       Feb 22, 2004 @ 02:00 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
13280. Re: [BoundaryPoint] nice scan of western qalacha
       http://www.home.pages.at/maxifant/Frames/mittelasien.htm its no. T1 on the map, originally posted by peter smaardijk. regards, chris ... From: Jesper Nielsen
       Feb 22, 2004 @ 02:07 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
13281. chfrit
       http://www.runaway.de/bilderkaunertal.htm
       Feb 22, 2004 @ 14:38 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13282. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Saatse EERU
       Here s a sneaky shot: You can see the RU bordermarker as we head up the road in a SE direction, I believe. ...
       Feb 22, 2004 @ 16:30 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
13283. Re: [BoundaryPoint] chfrit
       Should br atchit ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Cc: Peter Hering Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 3:38 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint]
       Feb 22, 2004 @ 16:32 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13284. Tripoint tracking tool
       Borderbase is obviously my border portal. But Borderbase was also meant as a supplement to BoundaryPoint and a way to organize the links and information we
       Feb 22, 2004 @ 16:52 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13285. Re: Tripoint tracking tool
       beautiful jesper this is exactly what we have been needing for our tripoint collection ever since day 1 really but especially ever since my last feeble tally
       Feb 22, 2004 @ 18:41 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13286. CN-NP-solid ground
       http://classic.mountainzone.com/everest/99/north/photos/2-91.html Jesper
       Feb 22, 2004 @ 20:12 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13287. Re: Tripoint tracking tool
       ... supplemented by ... tripoints ... & so in what format would you like these forgotten pix of forgotten tripoints to be resubmitted to your attention &
       Feb 22, 2004 @ 22:57 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13288. Re: chfrit
       this is apparently the piz lad summit & the cross again but we still dont see the tripoint itself & havent seen a pic of the marker since wolfgang first
       Feb 22, 2004 @ 23:13 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13289. Re: Tripoint tracking tool
       other additions i am not sure how to submit bwnazmzw pic in message 7414 for bwnazm &or bwzmzw according to your system & cdrwug pic in message 822 is a likely
       Feb 23, 2004 @ 00:55 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13290. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: chfrit
       Well, in just 6 months we will be there. Jesper ... but we still dont see the tripoint itself & havent seen a pic of the marker since wolfgang first flashed it
       Feb 23, 2004 @ 07:18 - jesniel@image.dk (jesniel@...)
13291. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Saatse EERU
       http://www.zone.ee/setomaa/63/asjatund.html Wonen on the picture have three passports. Two of them look like Russian/Soviet, and a blue one is Estonian. I
       Feb 23, 2004 @ 12:35 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@...>)
13292. Re: chfrit
       yes that is absolutely glorious & of course the we is all of us here at bp at least vicariously thanx to pete but i gather you must also mean we in the flesh
       Feb 23, 2004 @ 14:09 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13293. Re: Saatse EERU
       ... like Russian/Soviet, and a blue one is Estonian. I don t know what is text about, cause I can t speak estonian. Maybe someone can help? ... i still cant
       Feb 23, 2004 @ 14:43 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13294. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: chfrit
       Yes, me too. Rolf and Doug haven t signed up yet. Jesper ... From: m06079 To: Sent: Monday,
       Feb 23, 2004 @ 19:16 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13295. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Tripoint tracking tool
       There isn t a bwnazmzw entry. I guess sumitting can be done under the other entries. Jesper ... From: m06079 To:
       Feb 23, 2004 @ 19:16 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13296. New Govt Webpage - Pacific Islands
       Pay this site a visit - it s got wonderful updated information about disputed islands, sovereignty issues, histories and ongoing claims. It has photos and
       Feb 23, 2004 @ 21:19 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
13297. Re: Tripoint tracking tool
       ... MORE than beautiful - it s just superb - and a big, big applaus for Mr. Jesperson !!! A great site, established by my own technical king - as you know,
       Feb 24, 2004 @ 11:10 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
13298. Re: Tripoint tracking tool
       ... yes indeed & more than superb for both of these sites are just divine http://www.geocities.com/mafiapetedk indeed i propose we enshrine what you have so
       Feb 24, 2004 @ 13:49 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13299. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Tripoint tracking tool
       I agree... a huge around of applause to Mr. Jesperson! ...
       Feb 24, 2004 @ 15:03 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
13300. topozone upgrade permits federal maritime tripointing down to degminsecs
       actually several pleasant surprises this morning at topozone first the long awaited topos of puerto rico & the virgin islands are finally being filled in & are
       Feb 24, 2004 @ 16:58 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13301. Last of the Berlin Exclaves
       Does anyone know of any better maps of the two exclaves on the left? I know the large one survived until 1988 but the smaller one disappeared in the 70s. We ve
       Feb 24, 2004 @ 18:41 - John Kelly ("John Kelly" <johnkelly@astralvoyager.com>)
13302. A Page From allAfrica.com
       ... SENDPAGE SERVICE -- ALLAFRICA.COM The following page link has been sent to you by one of our readers. AllAfrica offers this facility as a service to our
       Feb 24, 2004 @ 21:18 - moc.il@li.com (moc.il@...)
13303. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Last of the Berlin Exclaves
       look at http://www.arminweist.de/36020exe.htm and http://www.arminweist.de/37000get.htm#probex (as posted by Ernst Stavro Blofeld before ;-)) regards, chris
       Feb 24, 2004 @ 22:52 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
13304. Re: topozone upgrade permits federal maritime tripointing down to degminsecs
       ... finally being ... feature there to ... purported ... desired ... second of ... 100 feet of ... be ... fortunately however i just realized an objective test
       Feb 25, 2004 @ 02:59 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13305. Pronunciations needed - GBBE
       Hello all: I am ready to record the voice tracks for my radio piece on the Great Baltic Border Expedition. Before I do, I want to make sure I get the
       Feb 25, 2004 @ 17:28 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
13306. Re: Is this a ARCL border marker?
       ... http://www.bhc.edu/academics/science/harwoodr/rhweb/Chile2001/Tierra/I ... I don t think it is. Since the author is walking the Lago Roca trail, I think he
       Feb 25, 2004 @ 17:52 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13307. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Pronunciations needed - GBBE
       Your pronouncination is good. I don t know gulf name, but lake is called Pihkva in Estonian (Peeh-kvah) or Pskovskoe (Pskh-off-s-khoe).
       Feb 25, 2004 @ 18:03 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@...>)
13308. Welcome to Finland
       http://gabriel.ircnet.ee/soome2003/s03_soomepiir.jpg
       Feb 25, 2004 @ 18:25 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@...>)
13309. Re: Is this a ARCL border marker?
       Cf. http://tinyurl.com/2xfkn . The sign might have been hung in the marker by some hiker.. Peter S. ... ...
       Feb 25, 2004 @ 18:57 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13310. Re: Is this a ARCL border marker?
       ... ... http://www.bhc.edu/academics/science/harwoodr/rhweb/Chile2001/ Tierra/I ... world ... lake ... great catch & handsome map besides
       Feb 25, 2004 @ 19:10 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13311. Re: Welcome to Finland
       ... http://groups.yahoo.com/search?query=Finland i moused if a nobody amenable to hotel bane may do bona fide suomi
       Feb 25, 2004 @ 20:43 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13312. Re: Is this a ARCL border marker?
       ... I don t know, but XXVI seems to be in dispute, or was in dispute, acc. to http://www.unrc.edu.ar/hielos/hist_n.htm ( Los 24 puntos sin demarcación son:
       Feb 25, 2004 @ 22:19 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13313. Re: Is this a ARCL border marker?
       ... ... dispute, ... puntos sin ... Beagle ... puzzles ... again both right & nice & yes of the 24 unmarked points this hito 26 is the
       Feb 25, 2004 @ 23:51 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13314. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: chfrit
       It could be one of the two peaks, each with its one cross, at 2808 m. ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only
       Feb 26, 2004 @ 00:58 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13315. Re: chfrit
       not sure where you are getting this idea from petes map at the end of the photos section shows a single peak at 2808m tho i suppose there could be a twin just
       Feb 26, 2004 @ 02:02 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13316. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: chfrit
       No no no. Look again. From the TP going south along CH-IT, you will see a cross and 2808 mark. There is a small triangle just below the cross, just in IT.
       Feb 26, 2004 @ 04:26 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13317. atchit wasnt chfrit
       ... ahh ok now i see it hiding in the pink snow rather than off frame very nice twin peaks indeed & yes possibly real twin crosses on them too but the one or
       Feb 26, 2004 @ 05:22 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13318. Re: [BoundaryPoint] atchit wasnt chfrit
       Just pointing out that it could be one of two summits with crosses. Wait but haven t we seen a pic of the tripoint? I remember seeing it, and I think fairly
       Feb 26, 2004 @ 05:33 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13319. Re: atchit wasnt chfrit
       ... what could be 1 of 2 summits with crosses you must mean you were pointing out that the cross in the pic could be standing on either summit well ok yes for
       Feb 26, 2004 @ 06:16 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13320. Re: topozone upgrade permits federal maritime tripointing down to degminsecs
       theres an insertion about a third of the way down the page ... the ... within ... will ... were ... 20 ... carefully ... critical ... whoooops thats oranges &
       Feb 26, 2004 @ 06:55 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13321. Re: atchit wasnt chfrit
       ... http://www.regina-thiele.de/nauders.htm (halfway down, where it says der Grenzstein im Dreiländereck); or even better:
       Feb 26, 2004 @ 10:46 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13322. karabakh enclaves
       hi, in message 2187 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/2187 peter posted a list of enclaves in and around nagorno-karabakh. he told us about 6
       Feb 26, 2004 @ 11:33 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@gmx.de>)
13323. Re: [BoundaryPoint] karabakh enclaves
       ups, i have to correct myself, the tiny one is outside karabakh in azeri territory, so we have in total 3 karabakhian enclaves and 5 azeri enclaves in
       Feb 26, 2004 @ 11:53 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
13324. Re: New territory -> AX (or FI2AL) extremities
       FI2ALe, FI2ALh, FI2ALn, FI2ALs, and FI2ALw are mentioned in http://www.asub.aland.fi/pdf/Statistik1999.pdf , paragraph 1.2: FI2ALn: Storklyndan, Brändö
       Feb 26, 2004 @ 14:01 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13325. New tripoints in future?
       Everyone has heard abuot Chechen Republic of Ichkeria or Kurdistan. But do you konw where is Sanjak, Acheh or Nuxalk? UNPO (Unrepresented Nations and Peoples
       Feb 26, 2004 @ 14:22 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@...>)
13326. Re: New territory -> AX (or FI2AL) extremities
       hahahahaha youve done it again maestro comix & it is hard to know what to call this novel offering of yours for our new ax &or old al i think it is actually a
       Feb 26, 2004 @ 15:22 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13327. Re: New tripoints in future?
       ... Kurdistan. But do you konw where is Sanjak, Acheh or Nuxalk? yes we do now thanx UNPO (Unrepresented Nations and Peoples Organisation) organizes over 50
       Feb 26, 2004 @ 15:54 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13328. Re: atchit wasnt chfrit
       ... wrote: thanx & glad i asked as these are better than the ones that were lost possibly even our first human visit here in class a but
       Feb 26, 2004 @ 16:09 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13329. Re: atchit wasnt chfrit
       ... attained ... Not without climbing the cross, and even then it s going to be an awkward thing to do. http://www.alpine-wandergruppe.de/naaf22.jpg is the
       Feb 26, 2004 @ 16:51 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13330. Re: atchit wasnt chfrit
       ... ... Also: http://www.qsl.net/ok1mcs/2003/obr_hb0/TN_P8020114.JPG http://www.qsl.net/ok1mcs/2003/obr_hb0/Naafkopf2570.jpg and
       Feb 26, 2004 @ 17:05 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13331. Re: atchit wasnt chfrit
       ... reached in ... an ... summit, and I ... three ... ahh many thanxxx for all this excellent news for you have fairly demonstrated that only the topmost
       Feb 26, 2004 @ 19:01 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13332. correction atchlis was atchit wasnt chfrit but no new text
       
       Feb 26, 2004 @ 19:10 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13333. Re: atchit wasnt chfrit
       I agree the cross maybe atchlis, but i have a reasonable doubt. See the links below: http://my.rpbrady.com/latest/collection17/p14.htm
       Feb 26, 2004 @ 19:19 - marcelmiquel@correu.vilaweb.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
13334. Re: atchit wasnt chfrit
       The cairn looks like to be right next to the cross: http://www.qsl.net/ok1mcs/2003/obr_hb0/TN_P8020093.JPG Peter S.
       Feb 26, 2004 @ 19:27 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13335. Re: atchit wasnt chfrit -> Lost cairn?
       ... Congo (Brazzaville) - Congo (Kinshasa) - Sudan? I don t think there is such a tripoint... What cairn do you mean then, and why is/was it lost? Peter S.
       Feb 26, 2004 @ 20:17 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13336. Re: atchit wasnt chfrit -> Lost cairn?
       good catch & i am glad you asked as it is evidently lost in more ways than i thought hahaha but cdcfsd is what i shouldve said as in kinshasa caf sudan i
       Feb 26, 2004 @ 21:37 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13337. the z axis from bedenl to ctmany to atchlis & beyond
       dont necessarily try this stunt at your own home tripoint but i did promise in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/12953 to report on my
       Feb 27, 2004 @ 02:48 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@hotmail.com>)
13338. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Pronunciations needed - GBBE
       Thanks! Doug
       Feb 27, 2004 @ 03:47 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
13339. Tripointing News?
       http://tinyurl.com/3bud9 Greetings, A. Kallos
       Feb 27, 2004 @ 14:42 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
13340. SV: [BoundaryPoint] karabakh enclaves
       Hi, I have copied your map (az-map-detail-sm.jpg) (I hope this is ok?) and marked the enclaves from Peter s list, however I am not entierly sure I am correct.
       Feb 27, 2004 @ 15:01 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@swipnet.se>)
13341. New address
       Please change my address to jparsell@twcny.rr.com My old address jparsell@northnet.org will become inactive shortly. Thank you, Jack Parsell ... Outgoing
       Feb 27, 2004 @ 15:25 - jparsell ("jparsell" <jparsell@...>)
13342. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] karabakh enclaves
       Insertions below. Christian Berghänel wrote: I have copied your map (az-map-detail-sm.jpg) (I hope this is ok?) and marked the enclaves from Peter s list,
       Feb 27, 2004 @ 15:51 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13343. Re: Tripointing News?
       welcome a k & nice stuff it appears at least a bbgytt eez tripoint may well hang in the balance over all this
       Feb 27, 2004 @ 17:09 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13344. Re: karabakh enclaves
       Hi, Chris (and others secondarily), Members who can t receive BPt messages by email, and who read them from the webpages, can t benefit from the attachments,
       Feb 27, 2004 @ 18:28 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
13345. Re: karabakh enclaves
       ... then ... On Gmane the attachments can be seen (although at this very moment I can t reach them, but earlier today I could - I too don t receive BP messages
       Feb 27, 2004 @ 19:09 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13346. Re: karabakh enclaves
       ... ... Yahoo ... I ... BP ... E.g. http://article.gmane.org/gmane.culture.discuss.boundary-point/2845 Peter S.
       Feb 27, 2004 @ 19:14 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13347. Re: Tripointing News?
       Thanks. It s a very close call though. Their equidistance tripoint appears to fall at almost exactly 200 nautical miles!
       Feb 27, 2004 @ 19:40 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
13348. Re: Tripointing News?
       The feeling in Surinam seems to be that Guyana is trying to separate the maritime boundary dispute from that in the Courantyne river (Thalweg vs. left bank
       Feb 27, 2004 @ 21:56 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13349. Festive inauguration of tripoint
       The inauguration of the German municipal tripoint Zuzenhausen - Eschelbronn - Daisbach (part of Waibstadt town) (Baden-Wuerttemberg): http://tinyurl.com/3hzfd
       Feb 27, 2004 @ 23:21 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13350. Re: karabakh enclaves
       Thanks for the link. I ll have to explore what I can do with that. LN
       Feb 28, 2004 @ 00:23 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
13351. Re: Festive inauguration of tripoint
       but why did they wait 654 years to inaugurate it at that rate the bp 2004 inaugural tour for example which was necessarily & duly completed between the calends
       Feb 28, 2004 @ 09:58 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13352. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: karabakh enclaves
       Hi Peter, what an interesting service. are all BP-messages accessible by gmane and if yes how? i tried to find some other messages but failed (shame on me...)
       Feb 28, 2004 @ 10:15 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
13353. Re: karabakh enclaves
       time for a reality check all these supposed claves are long since history if anything at all & the whole situation is going nowhere fast not even back to
       Feb 28, 2004 @ 10:45 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13354. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: karabakh enclaves
       hi michael, i m aware of the more or less historic aspect of this karabakh region, but for me not only enclaves, that exist today, are of interest, but also
       Feb 28, 2004 @ 11:03 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
13355. Re: karabakh enclaves
       well chris as you know you are perfectly welcome to be off topic as well as off the present & off the wall for that matter since we are supposed to be slightly
       Feb 28, 2004 @ 13:37 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13356. Re: Tripointing News?
       Interesting fork in the road there! Also, today s news of the secret bbgy EEZ agreement appears to confirm that a bbgytt EEZ tripoint must emerge too.
       Feb 28, 2004 @ 17:10 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
13357. Re: Tripointing News?
       wow looks like an eez condo taking shape all right tho probably not the first of its kind but that certainly means there are at least 2 triareas at play in all
       Feb 28, 2004 @ 19:43 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13358. Re: karabakh enclaves
       Hi, Chris. We might as well save what little spacee Yahoo gives us in the photo library, and promote that the images are on gmane - as long as they are
       Feb 29, 2004 @ 01:01 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
13359. Re: karabakh enclaves
       ...yeah! And someday these could blow up into a big international event, and because we explored it and turned them inside out, we ll be the only collection of
       Feb 29, 2004 @ 01:08 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
13360. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Festive inauguration of old TP Baden, Wuertemberg, Hohenzollern
       Still an festive inauguration of the boundarystone museum at the old German tripoin the states Wuertemberg, Baden, Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen was 2002 in the
       Feb 29, 2004 @ 07:44 - udomet@gmx.de (udomet@...)
13361. Re: Festive inauguration of old TP Baden, Wuertemberg, Hohenzollern
       what a treat thanx & it also got me going to see your map indicate this ghost de2bahowu tristate conjunction produced not only the single tripoint featured at
       Feb 29, 2004 @ 14:23 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13362. Re: bbgytt, ?bbgdttvc, ...
       We report. You decide. http://www.barbadosadvocate.com/NewViewNewsleft.cfm?Record=16708 http://www.barbadosadvocate.com/NewViewNewsleft.cfm?Record=16685
       Feb 29, 2004 @ 16:31 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
13363. Correction: Re: bbgytt, ?bbgdttvc, ...
       ... http://www.barbadosadvocate.com/NewViewNewsleft.cfm?Record=1 6708 ... http://www.barbadosadvocate.com/NewViewNewsleft.cfm?Record=1 6685 ...
       Feb 29, 2004 @ 16:51 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
13364. Correction: Re: bbgytt, ?bbgdttvc, ...
       thanx theia fair & balanced & be sure to keep keeping us posted but are you bajan or tobagonian & how do you pronounce that ...
       Feb 29, 2004 @ 17:29 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13365. Correction: Re: bbgytt, ?bbgdttvc, ...
       Nah! . . . Yuh jokin, meh boy!! : ) ... http://www.barbadosadvocate.com/NewViewNewsleft.cfm?Recor ...
       Feb 29, 2004 @ 21:44 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
13366. Re: Is this a CHNP border marker?
       zeroing in on cninnpw here http://www.liveindia.com/kailash/9zf-lipu-lakh-daraa.jpg http://www.liveindia.com/kailash/9zf-lipu-lakh-daraa2.jpg & btcninw too
       Mar 01, 2004 @ 05:22 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13367. article on divided railway line BY-LT
       Dear BP members, attached pls find two scans of an article, written by BP member Artur Kroc in the Polish railway magazine Nowe Sygnaly (new signals), on the
       Mar 01, 2004 @ 09:00 - Peter Hering (Peter Hering <hering@mail.dk>)
13368. articles to be added to the photo section..
       Sorry, forgot (again) to mention that the article will be added to the photo section of BP... all yours Mafiapetedk de bedste hilsener best regards mit
       Mar 01, 2004 @ 09:02 - Peter Hering (Peter Hering <hering@...>)
13369. Re: bbgytt, ?bbgdttvc, ...
       test match ... decide.http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_sports?id =12467332 http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=42022
       Mar 01, 2004 @ 12:30 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13370. Re: bbgytt, ?bbgdttvc, ...
       ... decide.http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_sports?id ... http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=42022 It s a match all right.
       Mar 01, 2004 @ 14:11 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
13371. possible NH enclave in VT
       This is the synopsis of an audio-only story on this morning s National Public Radio US news page. There s no text. ... Tired of high property taxes, residents
       Mar 01, 2004 @ 15:41 - laika899 ("laika899" <laika899@...>)
13372. Re: [BoundaryPoint] possible NH enclave in VT
       http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=1724870 the direct link to the story regards, chris ... From: laika899 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent:
       Mar 01, 2004 @ 17:01 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
13373. Re: [BoundaryPoint] possible NH enclave in VT
       http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=1724870 the direct link to the story regards, chris ... From: laika899 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent:
       Mar 01, 2004 @ 17:01 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
13374. Re: [BoundaryPoint] possible NH enclave in VT
       http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=1724870 the direkt link regards, chris ... From: laika899 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March
       Mar 01, 2004 @ 17:01 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
13375. Re: bbgytt, ?bbgdttvc, ...
       ... decide.http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_sports?id ... http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=42022 ... well yes it moves the
       Mar 01, 2004 @ 18:36 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13376. MDUA no. 1
       This is the closest thing to MDROUAn I ve ever seen: a brand new MDUA marker no. 0001, between Criva and Mamalyga. If my knowledge of Romanian doesn t deceive
       Mar 01, 2004 @ 20:44 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13377. Re: Festive inauguration of old TP Baden, Wuertemberg, Hohenzollern
       ... well after careful study these are now stretching out into something more like 1850de2bahowu1945 or maybe bahowu should be called baprwu since hohenzollern
       Mar 02, 2004 @ 04:55 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13378. Re: [BoundaryPoint] MDUA no. 1
       Topomap for illustration: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu:8085/x-ussr/100k/M-35-138.jpg Jesper ... From: Peter Smaardijk To:
       Mar 02, 2004 @ 17:55 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13379. Re: MDUA no. 1
       according to this http://www.uanews.tv/archives/rferl/ukraine/ua66a.htm the commission was exactly on schedule there at mdrouan & is expected to reemerge on
       Mar 02, 2004 @ 18:40 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13380. Re: MDUA no. 1
       ... This article isn t entirely correct on other issues, though: the transfer of 100 and 1000 km2 from UA to MD can t be true: that s too huge. Maybe square
       Mar 02, 2004 @ 19:24 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13381. Re: MDUA no. 1
       ... Which the article mentions further on (I should ve read it to the end...). And it is mentioned in the agreement (
       Mar 02, 2004 @ 21:28 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13382. Re: MDUA no. 1
       ... hahaha well no matter for maybe we can still trust that boundary commission to emerge from the bushes at mdrouas & plant the final rock there on exactly
       Mar 02, 2004 @ 22:10 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13383. Killington VT votes for secession
       Killington Votes to Join New Hampshire 1 hour, 48 minutes ago By TIM McCAHILL, Associated Press Writer KILLINGTON, Vt. - Voting with a thunderous aye,
       Mar 02, 2004 @ 22:20 - laika899 ("laika899" <laika899@...>)
13384. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: atchit wasnt chfrit -> Lost cairn?
       Is this the original photo of AT-CH-IT that was lost? And it looks as if the AT-IT border take a slight turn to the left before hitting the tp. If the tp is
       Mar 02, 2004 @ 22:23 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@yahoo.com>)
13385. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: atchit wasnt chfrit -> Lost cairn?
       I think I can explain the apparent 1-cm offset in the ATIT line on the top of the stone. It is a spurious effect of lighting. The lines are carved as deep
       Mar 03, 2004 @ 00:57 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13386. EEZ Tripoint scramble reaches gyttve
       http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_politics?id=15586852 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re
       Mar 03, 2004 @ 01:37 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
13387. Re: MDUA no. 1
       ... All the text mentions about them is: Art. 4 The meeting points of the state boundaries of the Ukraine, the Republic of Moldavia, and Romania will be
       Mar 03, 2004 @ 09:21 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13388. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: MDUA no. 1
       See also msg # 11315 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/11315 Peter Smaardijk knows Russian, I suppose, so maybe he can translate article
       Mar 03, 2004 @ 12:51 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@...>)
13389. Re: MDUA no. 1
       ... Nice to be reminded of my own words - which I had completely forgotten about... ... Not really about the tripoint, but rather about the tripoint area and
       Mar 03, 2004 @ 13:36 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13390. BYUARU
       Do you know something about BYUARU tripoint? On map http://sunsite.berkeley.edu:8085/x-ussr/100k/N-36-136.jpg it s called as Kurgan Druzby (=freedom
       Mar 03, 2004 @ 13:41 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@...>)
13391. Re: BYUARU
       ... easy reachable. But Russians called also tp BYLVRU Kurgan Druzby , and it s difficult to find BYUARU. if you alphabetize the codes things are always
       Mar 03, 2004 @ 13:50 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13392. Re: BYUARU
       ... reachable. But Russians called also tp BYLVRU Kurgan Druzby , and ... That is it! But... A Kurgan druzby can be found at BYLVRU and at BYRUUA. Maybe
       Mar 03, 2004 @ 13:54 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13393. Re: MDUA no. 1
       ... visible ... the ... point markers; ... but as ... boundary ... this is peculiar for one thing we know these tripoints are quite wet so it is technically
       Mar 03, 2004 @ 15:23 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13394. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BYUARU
       This is the best picture so far. Here is the picture list http://www.nicolette.dk/borderbase/tpplinks.php?cid=11&nid=144&tid=118&orientation= Jesper ... From:
       Mar 03, 2004 @ 18:30 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13395. Interesting story from News24
       More news at www.news24.com Read the story online: http://www.news24.com/News24/Africa/News/0,,2-11-1447_1492889,00.html Sent by: Message: nigeria joins djeret
       Mar 03, 2004 @ 20:19 - moc.il@li.com (moc.il@...)
13396. Re: Interesting story from News24
       How exemplary! Also http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=9957&Cr=&Cr1 = is interesting as an actual example of dialog. But what s happening with
       Mar 03, 2004 @ 21:17 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
13397. Re: BYUARU
       Here you have some more: http://belta.press.net.by/files/pic.php?id=529&db=2 http://www.bryanskobl.ru/~pab/pressa/klimovo/n20030701.htm Peter S. ...
       Mar 03, 2004 @ 21:38 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13398. Border Story - CAUS Point Robert's
       A girl from Point Roberts, WA found a sneaky way to smuggle drugs -- us the school bus that crosses two international boundaries... here s the text:
       Mar 03, 2004 @ 18:03 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
13399. Border Story - CAUS Point Roberts Drug Smuggler
       A girl from Point Roberts, WA found a sneaky way to smuggle drugs -- us the school bus that crosses two international boundaries... here s the text:
       Mar 03, 2004 @ 22:55 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
13400. Re: BYUARU
       also message 9854 for excellent pix plus a link to background info on ruua in general which effectively confirms what this map shows for it indicates that the
       Mar 04, 2004 @ 02:03 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13401. Re: AMAZGE
       ... the ... of the ... people of ... slogan from ... correctly, ... I ... i.e. mound of ... as ... located on middle of Rhine river, but on the shore!
       Mar 04, 2004 @ 02:15 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13402. Italian regional enclaves
       I got this message from Andy Room, and I thought it would be of interest to some of you. Rolf - - - - -
       Mar 04, 2004 @ 05:50 - Rolf Palmberg (Rolf Palmberg <rpalmber@...>)
13403. Camila
       Empty
       Mar 04, 2004 @ 09:15 - eefberns@dds.nl (eefberns@dds.nl)
13404. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Camila
       Hi , can you confirm, that this message is from you, before my computer explodes? thanks, chris ... From: eefberns@dds.nl To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
       Mar 04, 2004 @ 09:13 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
13405. Re: BYUARU
       ... I am still not convinced, since I ve read a decree issued by the Byelorussian government on the talks to be held between BY, RU, and UA about the tripoint
       Mar 04, 2004 @ 09:40 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13406. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Camila (virus inside)
       Don t touch the attachment. There s a virus inside. ... From: chris schulz To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 5:13 PM Subject:
       Mar 04, 2004 @ 11:43 - Richard Lam ("Richard Lam" <richardlam11@...>)
13407. Re: BYUARU
       ... have ... RU, and ... http://pravo2000.by.ru/baza10/d09206.htm ). ... looking forward to hearing anything further you may learn about this placement or
       Mar 04, 2004 @ 12:50 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13408. Re: Border Story - CAUS Point Roberts Drug Smuggler
       ... a thneaky way to thmuggle how dathdardly drugs -- us ... here s the ... hahahaha sneaky way to smuggle some more border woe into bp twice too hahahahaha
       Mar 04, 2004 @ 14:13 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13409. Re: Border Story - CAUS Point Roberts Drug Smuggler
       ... too ... distress ... Hmm! Right! That feels fine! So i canvassed Cannabis in an etymological dictionary to see how human she is too. : ) And here is the
       Mar 04, 2004 @ 17:00 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
13410. caprivi strip
       does the caprivi strip of namibia touch zimbabwe?
       Mar 04, 2004 @ 19:43 - raedwulf16 ("raedwulf16" <raedwulf16@...>)
13411. Strange section chit border
       This section looks strange - like african borders - like made by ruler...
       Mar 04, 2004 @ 21:07 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@interia.pl>)
13412. Re: [BoundaryPoint] caprivi strip
       That is a very good question to which a definitive answer has been elusive. Hanging in the balance is the existence of a possible four-nation multipoint.
       Mar 04, 2004 @ 22:44 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13413. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Strange section chit border
       Thats right, as i know its result of special interests of switzerland. the shown situation is from val di lei.
       Mar 04, 2004 @ 23:16 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
13414. RE: [BoundaryPoint] caprivi strip
       MapQuest, a very unofficial source of course, shows it missing my one mile. ... From: Lowell G. McManus [mailto:mcmanus71496@msn.com] Sent: Thursday, March 04,
       Mar 05, 2004 @ 00:18 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
13415. Re: Border Story - CAUS Point Roberts Drug Smuggler
       ... smuggle ... family ... commingled ... yes yes thanx absolutely this is exactly what i believe is the truth of this matter & i couldnt have put it better
       Mar 05, 2004 @ 02:12 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13416. RE: [BoundaryPoint] caprivi strip
       the answer in a nutshell is maybe sometimes but if you want more of an explanation please see http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/13195 which
       Mar 05, 2004 @ 02:04 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@hotmail.com>)
13417. RE: [BoundaryPoint] caprivi strip ii
       2nd & 3rd spread of encyclopedia article are attached with 4th & 5th still to follow no additions to text ...
       Mar 05, 2004 @ 02:43 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@hotmail.com>)
13418. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Border Story - CAUS Point Roberts Drug Smuggler
       There is so much BC bud that the local police forces bust 1000 (!) grow operations a year. Expensive homes are turned into little pot growing factories.
       Mar 05, 2004 @ 03:22 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
13419. RE: [BoundaryPoint] caprivi strip iii
       last 2 spreads are attached no additions to text ... _________________________________________________________________ Frustrated with dial-up? Lightning-fast
       Mar 05, 2004 @ 02:59 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@hotmail.com>)
13420. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: atchit wasnt chfrit -> Lost cairn?
       Yes indeed. I didn t notice this at all before, but now that you point it out I can see there is defitinely no dogleg at all: the lines are straight. Looking
       Mar 05, 2004 @ 04:46 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@yahoo.com>)
13421. Re: Strange section chit border
       Note also that it is a municipal exclave of Innerferrera. Cf. http://www.innerferrera.ch/innerferrera/geschichte.html (mentions a territory exchange with Italy
       Mar 05, 2004 @ 08:34 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13422. Re: Strange section chit border
       ... (mentions ... ... (german) ... this wall ... whatever) ... by ... straight looking sections of borders are actually fairly common everywhere
       Mar 05, 2004 @ 15:00 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13423. Re: atchit wasnt chfrit -> Lost cairn?
       congrats on both of you for bringing us to this new level the millimetric level of punctological refinement the question of what happens to a tripoint when its
       Mar 05, 2004 @ 16:59 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13424. Re: Border Story - CAUS Point Roberts Drug Smuggler
       ... 1000 (!) ... pot ... #1 ... province. ... perhaps but no problem hahaha it may also mean medical grade as prescribed for patients who can only handle 1
       Mar 05, 2004 @ 18:08 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13425. new moves in djeret try
       yesterday military dialogue upgraded to weekly frequency http://allafrica.com/stories/200403050065.html with many other interesting details but the statement
       Mar 05, 2004 @ 19:19 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13426. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Strange section chit border
       Which leads to the question of which manmade segments are NOT straight. The only thing that comes to my mind is the DE-PA Arc (or Arcs). Are there any world
       Mar 05, 2004 @ 22:14 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13427. Re: Strange section chit border
       some international borders in africa include arcs of circles usually around oases i was also thinking there might be some borders that have been delineated by
       Mar 05, 2004 @ 23:08 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13428. Re: Strange section chit border
       All international borders are manmade , aren t they? Straight ones are the exceptions. Most borders have components that are short segments, but its rare
       Mar 05, 2004 @ 23:43 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
13429. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Strange section chit border
       Well, this is a technicality, but... Any parallel of latitude, or any other line of constant bearing that is not a meridian of longitude, is not straight.
       Mar 06, 2004 @ 00:11 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13430. Re: Strange section chit border
       ... why do you ask did anybody say or even imply they werent ... exceptions to what & what do you mean by straight ... whatsoever ... every border stone is
       Mar 06, 2004 @ 02:55 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13431. Re: Strange section chit border
       well it is not only a technicality but a change of topic artur began by remarking about borders which on a map look like they were made by a ruler after the
       Mar 06, 2004 @ 02:57 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13432. Re: Strange section chit border
       ... wrote, in reaction to Len s question All international borders are manmade , aren t they? , ... Assuming that the inquiry wasn t academic, here s why:
       Mar 06, 2004 @ 05:37 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
13433. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Strange section chit border
       Yes, but I think the Equator would be the exception to this rule. Of course this is assuming the earth is a perfect sphere. But we know that it is just an
       Mar 06, 2004 @ 07:53 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13434. Re: Strange section chit border
       & if you can distinguish these apples from these oranges you can have either or both of them but please understand that they are 2 entirely different fruits
       Mar 06, 2004 @ 13:23 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13435. Re: Strange section chit border
       & if you hadnt clipped what he wrote & the prior messages he was responding to you could see even now by just scrolling down that he didnt mean what you think
       Mar 06, 2004 @ 13:33 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13436. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Strange section chit border
       You are correct. The Equator is the only parallel of latitude that is also a great circle. I thought of that after writing my message, but didn t want to
       Mar 06, 2004 @ 14:53 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13437. Jungholz - final find on quadripoint!!!
       Dear BP members - just received an email from Herr Tauscher in Jungholz, he did some research on our painted cross on the summit of Sorgschrofen and he now
       Mar 06, 2004 @ 15:56 - Peter Hering (Peter Hering <hering@...>)
13438. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Jungholz - final find on quadripoint!!!
       ... From: Peter Hering To: BoundaryPoint gruppen Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 4:56 PM Subject:
       Mar 06, 2004 @ 16:17 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
13439. Re: caprivi strip - Yes Zimbabwe touches Caprivi
       ... Yes, it does. I just received this input from Namibia today: Namibia is meeting Zimbabwe only at a point at the confluence of the Zambezi and Chobe
       Mar 06, 2004 @ 16:36 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
13440. moldova
       Does the Republic of Moldova border on the Black Sea..or is it prevented from doing so by Ukraine?
       Mar 06, 2004 @ 17:48 - raedwulf16 ("raedwulf16" <raedwulf16@...>)
13441. Re: [BoundaryPoint] moldova
       This is as far as Moldivia reaches: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu:8085/x-ussr/100k/L-36-049.jpg Did they change the border around the transit road? Jesper
       Mar 06, 2004 @ 17:57 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13442. perejil ;-)
       http://www.geocities.com/perejil_leyla/ Interesting news... ;-) regards, chris
       Mar 06, 2004 @ 18:48 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
13443. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: caprivi strip - Yes Zimbabwe touches Caprivi
       ... I do not concur. In my view there is overwhelming statistical circumstantial evidence that the four countries do not meet at one point. Please see the
       Mar 06, 2004 @ 18:47 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
13444. Re: caprivi strip - Yes Zimbabwe touches Caprivi
       ... . This is, to my knowledge, the only point in ... Only one? I think, that another one is maritime quadripoint: Nauru, Solomon Islands, Tuvalu and
       Mar 06, 2004 @ 21:34 - Artur Kroc ("Artur Kroc" <kroc@...>)
13445. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Strange section chit border
       Well, the arc around St Peter is not a straight line but a boundary of Vatican City and Italy. Arif __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo!
       Mar 06, 2004 @ 23:57 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
13446. Re: [BoundaryPoint] moldova
       As my current ukrainian road atlas shows, they still have the border there is it was in 1982. In fact, the Ukrainians set up a customs station right after the
       Mar 07, 2004 @ 00:10 - Petter Brabec (=?iso-8859-1?q?Petter=20Brabec?= <pete2784west@...>)
13447. Re: caprivi strip - Yes Zimbabwe touches Caprivi
       ... not even 1 for sure artur the above title & local informant to the contrary notwithstanding as i mentioned in messages 13416 & 13417 & 13419 to which the
       Mar 07, 2004 @ 00:22 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13448. Re: Strange section chit border
       good show & just the rare example i was looking for of a nonstraight linear manmade feature delineating a border & thus effectively marking it too
       Mar 07, 2004 @ 00:33 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13449. Re: caprivi strip - Yes Zimbabwe touches Caprivi
       ... thanx for noticing ... right or nearly right as there are some additional weird circumstances including of course the 4th convergent the thalweg of the
       Mar 07, 2004 @ 01:06 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13450. oops Re: caprivi strip - Yes Zimbabwe touches Caprivi
       hopefully a correction of the maritime boundaries address in text below http://www.maritimeboundaries.com ... ... attached ... up ... an
       Mar 07, 2004 @ 01:30 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13451. Re: Jungholz - final find on quadripoint!!!
       beauty pete & jesper so does everyone agree that the quadripoint must fall in the center of the cross depicted on this marker even tho it isnt quite centered
       Mar 07, 2004 @ 02:11 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13452. Re: Strange section chit border
       aw lets compound the technicality anyway just to make sure we really are correct for are you absolutely sure the equator is a parallel of latitude my
       Mar 07, 2004 @ 03:01 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13453. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Jungholz - final find on quadripoint!!!
       X marks the spot! Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: m06079 To: Sent:
       Mar 07, 2004 @ 03:06 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13454. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Strange section chit border
       Okay, I can see all your semantic points, but... Since you say that the Equator has no latitude, does the Greenwich Line have no longitude? What about that
       Mar 07, 2004 @ 03:21 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13455. Re: Strange section chit border
       ... well good as semantic does after all mean pertaining to the actual meaning of things & semantics are often dismissed as if they ran counter to good sense
       Mar 07, 2004 @ 05:27 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13456. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Strange section chit border
       Please understand that my calling your points semantic was not meant to disparage them in the least (as some commonly use that word). Semantics and
       Mar 07, 2004 @ 07:22 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13457. Re: Jungholz - final find on quadripoint!!!
       http://article.gmane.org/gmane.culture.discuss.boundary-point/2941 if you don t receive BP messages by e-mail. Peter, what is K.T. on the map? And how should
       Mar 07, 2004 @ 11:41 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13458. Re: Strange section chit border
       ... not meant to ... word). Semantics and ... much can be learned. ... latitude and ... to the artificial ... axis through them are ... for the sake of ...
       Mar 07, 2004 @ 14:28 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13459. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Jungholz - final find on quadripoint!!!
       I think that the KT-markers are also some sort of geodetic reference points, just like the Vermessungssteine. The purpose of a reference point is to establish
       Mar 07, 2004 @ 15:05 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
13460. FW: signing up the group
       ... welcome george thats all of us including you now we are the owners of everyones land too ... thanx for being here & for all these impressions & ideas in
       Mar 07, 2004 @ 15:06 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
13461. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Strange section chit border
       Using either of the tropics or polar circles as a place from which to measure latitude would cause significant difficulties as these locations vary (over a
       Mar 07, 2004 @ 16:32 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13462. moldova -ukraine border
       apparently still in flux??? 21.11.2000 00:00 MSK Ukrainian-Moldovan border to split village in half UKRAINE, ODESSA. On November 21, residents in the village
       Mar 07, 2004 @ 19:29 - raedwulf16 ("raedwulf16" <raedwulf16@...>)
13463. Re: moldova -ukraine border
       A.D. 2000 See various postings reporting on the situation after this date. Peter S. ... Palanka ... a ... that ... to ... village ... meeting
       Mar 07, 2004 @ 21:03 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13464. dzlyne algeria libya niger class d
       second pic http://www.solarpapst.de/sahara/seite%201.htm feast your eyes on the ridge line but dont expect a marker per
       Mar 08, 2004 @ 00:07 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13465. dzlytn class e but with a 2 arc bonus
       the dzlytn tripoint algeria libya tunisia is believed to fall about 2km south of fort saint tunisia so this view of the fort could well be the view from the
       Mar 08, 2004 @ 01:29 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13466. Re: dzlytn class e but with a 2 arc bonus
       that second supposed oasis is actually an archeological site called hassi el mislane & the spec for the arc is a 1km radius as compared with that of the dzlytn
       Mar 08, 2004 @ 02:13 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13467. Nice map of the Piney, Manitoba - Pinecreek, Minnesota airport on CAUS
       http://www.wingsoverminnesota.com/planning/airports/pinecreek.gif
       Mar 08, 2004 @ 09:02 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
13468. Bar divided betw. US + CA
       Hello all, I ve just added a picture to the photo section of BP: taken in Ft. Covington - border Québec/NY. Wouldn t it be nice to have a real party here??
       Mar 08, 2004 @ 14:27 - Peter Hering (Peter Hering <hering@...>)
13469. Re: Bar divided betw. US + CA
       i would bring my trusty jug of old crow without even thinking about it would you make that cigar a british colombian bazuco
       Mar 08, 2004 @ 15:42 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13470. Fw: Nachtrag Sorgschrofen
       attached pls find an additional email from Herr Tauscher, with a very beautiful and informative picture of the Sorg- schrofen mountaintop, clearly visible
       Mar 08, 2004 @ 16:39 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
13471. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Jungholz - final find on quadripoint!!!
       Do you have a photo with the borders added graphically? Jesper ... From: Ernst Stavro Blofeld To:
       Mar 08, 2004 @ 16:42 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13472. etkeso ethiopia kenya somalia class e
       the tripoint airport at mandera kenya seems a good place to land http://www.wapf.com/world/HKMA.html but we dont even know exactly where to look for this
       Mar 08, 2004 @ 16:48 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13473. Asia-Europe
       http://parovoz.com/gallery/europa-asia.jpg http://www.brooksgreen.net/Siberia/Yekaterinburg.htm
       Mar 08, 2004 @ 17:24 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13474. DMZ model
       http://debrisson.free.fr/images/coree/zone.jpg
       Mar 08, 2004 @ 17:25 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13475. eglysd improved but still class d
       a most impressive & indeed the best known aerial view of jebel uweinat http://www.lpi.usra.edu/publications/slidesets/geology/sgeo/slide_14.html & a
       Mar 08, 2004 @ 20:07 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13476. Re: Interesting story from News24
       but now eritrea axes nigeria too http://allafrica.com/stories/200403080466.html ... http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=9957&Cr=&Cr1
       Mar 08, 2004 @ 21:09 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13477. Re: [BoundaryPoint] DMZ model
       Which DMZ? Where is this? ... --
       Mar 08, 2004 @ 23:52 - John Kelly ("John Kelly" <johnkelly@...>)
13478. afirtm class d or e
       the 5th of these late victorian engravings shows russian & british commissioners at the location of the first boundary post of the original gbru but now aftm
       Mar 09, 2004 @ 01:02 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13479. Re: DMZ model
       tripoint denmark myanmar zambia
       Mar 09, 2004 @ 01:05 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13480. Re: Asia-Europe
       is there an africa asia europe tripoint lurking somewhere perhaps an eez trijunction maybe somewhere in the eastern mediterranean cyprus egypt israel might do
       Mar 09, 2004 @ 01:21 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13481. Re: [BoundaryPoint] DMZ model
       It s the one between the two Koreas. The work coree in the URL is French for Korea. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: John Kelly
       Mar 09, 2004 @ 01:32 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13482. Büsingen gets new, illuminated border markers
       I just posted a photo in the BPt-Büsingen photo folder of workmen lifting the new oversized, illuminated (it lights up at night!!) border marker into place on
       Mar 09, 2004 @ 02:43 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
13483. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Asia-Europe
       Search Google Images for Asia Europe border for quite a few photos of the obelisks. For a Soviet-style marker see
       Mar 09, 2004 @ 05:15 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13484. quadripoint in the Pacific- No!
       No. These lines, often reproduced in atlases are simply to show which islands belong to which political units. They are not boundaries with any legal standing.
       Mar 09, 2004 @ 08:41 - bwhyte@unimelb.edu.au (bwhyte@...)
13485. Jungholz - additional info on markers!
       It seems like we NEVER ever get finished with this great place... * Peter S. and Ernest B. - I just got an email from Herr Tauscher with some news that might
       Mar 09, 2004 @ 10:33 - Peter Hering (Peter Hering <hering@...>)
13486. Re: Jungholz - additional info on markers!
       ... place... ... Tauscher ... borderfreaks ... mountain ... all in boss & happily we still do have somewhere to go & grow here for you have called the game on
       Mar 09, 2004 @ 14:14 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13487. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Asia-Europe
       The distinction is rather artificial. The National Geographic Society delimits the continents on its Europe and Asia whole-continent political maps with this
       Mar 09, 2004 @ 15:31 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13488. Increased checks at CHDE -- Swiss wonder why?
       The story: http://www.nzz.ch/2004/03/09/english/page-synd4774512.html The GCEBE visited several CHDE crossings in 2001 -- including Basel on September 11th.
       Mar 09, 2004 @ 18:40 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
13489. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Jungholz - additional info on markers!
       A short resume please.... Jesper ..................... all in boss & happily we still do have somewhere to go & grow here for you have called the game on our
       Mar 09, 2004 @ 18:52 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13490. Re: Asia-Europe
       ... yes & of course we have been here many times before too over the years in endless variety & yet never from a sufficiently multiple perspective to actually
       Mar 09, 2004 @ 19:13 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13491. Re: Asia-Europe
       ... I suppose one could think of the triple divide between watersheds as being a tripoint of seas on land. For its waterlogged counterpart of continents in the
       Mar 09, 2004 @ 20:50 - adamnvillani ("adamnvillani" <avillani@...>)
13492. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Asia-Europe
       ... Is Europe not more of cultural concept rather than a geographical entity in its own right? Is there anything that makes it geographically distinct from
       Mar 09, 2004 @ 20:54 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
13493. Re: Jungholz - additional info on markers!
       you bet a short resume & i apologize once again if things are not always as simple here as we may have liked them to be for after all we are often talking
       Mar 09, 2004 @ 21:56 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13494. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Jungholz - additional info on markers!
       short ... From: m06079 To: Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 10:56 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re:
       Mar 09, 2004 @ 21:58 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13495. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Jungholz - additional info on markers!
       well. It s very simple in my terms: x marks the spot. Jesper ... From: m06079 To: Sent: Tuesday,
       Mar 09, 2004 @ 22:01 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13496. Re: Jungholz - additional info on markers!
       Two insertions below from me, Michael, and I won t be clipping things away because I understood that you don t like that. Peter S. ... I don t think it is that
       Mar 09, 2004 @ 22:19 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13497. Re: Jungholz - additional info on markers!
       ok 4 u objective truth for me please if possible ... markers! ... here ... to ... markers ... centimetric ... imagine ... actually ... what ... actually ...
       Mar 09, 2004 @ 22:22 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13498. Re: Jungholz - additional info on markers!
       ... things ... yikes & thanx but thats not my point it has nothing to do with what i like it is just that particularly in view of our specific interests & our
       Mar 09, 2004 @ 23:02 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13499. Re: Asia-Europe
       i am under the impression perhaps utterly unfounded that the supposed europe asia boundary runs by & large tho obviously not entirely along a sort of what we
       Mar 09, 2004 @ 23:15 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13500. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Bar divided betw. US + CA
       We are definitely due for a Great North American Border Expedition (though, Mexico would not be included this time). Highlights: Stewart BC-Hyder AK ( a
       Mar 10, 2004 @ 00:07 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
13501. Re: Asia-Europe
       ... I guessed correctly. That s a great list, but you can drop Timor from Indonesia s control now. Adam
       Mar 10, 2004 @ 00:12 - adamnvillani ("adamnvillani" <avillani@...>)
13502. Re: Asia-Europe
       thanx very much & i enjoyed both your trivia questions du jour too in message 13491 indeed for me they sufficed to redeem this entire latest episode of
       Mar 10, 2004 @ 01:22 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13503. kofi blasts ethiopia & eritrea for lackluster tripointing
       a busy day but no actual movement he blames eritrea for axing his special envoy axworthy & blames ethiopia for delaying the djeret try in the first place then
       Mar 10, 2004 @ 02:59 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13504. How far is it?
       We discussed some time back the maximum distance that any two places on earth could be from one another. This site claims to deliver the distances between two
       Mar 10, 2004 @ 04:28 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
13505. Re: [BoundaryPoint] How far is it?
       There is another similar service from the US Department of Agriculture at http://www.wcrl.ars.usda.gov/cec/java/lat-long.htm . Lowell G. McManus Leesville,
       Mar 10, 2004 @ 05:30 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13506. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Bar divided betw. US + CA
       Nice job. I have been constructing (made it several months ago and added here and there) my own list - very similar to yours. Though there are a few
       Mar 10, 2004 @ 06:31 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13507. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Bar divided betw. US + CA
       I can t believe I missed Haskell, Beebe, & Canusa... and lunch with the Hurtibuse s! And dinner at Hoagie s Pizza in Newport, Vermont.
       Mar 10, 2004 @ 06:42 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
13508. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Asia-Europe
       I have examined the map that you linked below as well as the aerial photos, and I do not think you are mistaken. I estimate that between two and three acres
       Mar 10, 2004 @ 07:11 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13509. border puzzle
       I came across this puzzle, sorry if this is boring . Plane crash A plane crashes on the border of France and Spain. Where are the survivors buried? answer pan
       Mar 10, 2004 @ 07:56 - Bill Burke ("Bill Burke" <billb@...>)
13510. Re: Asia-Europe
       ... Hmm, it looks like you could be right. Some time ago I had inspected much of the SC/NC border trying to find any land that drained to the Mississippi, but
       Mar 10, 2004 @ 10:13 - adamnvillani ("adamnvillani" <avillani@...>)
13511. Re: How far is it?
       really i dont remember that & it is an interesting question as well as a challenging try pointing quest perhaps even 2 of each since the farthest pair of
       Mar 10, 2004 @ 14:31 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13512. Re: Asia-Europe
       ok then & how about reloading the question as a multiple choice too from which of these states couldnt you pee thru mardi gras south carolina new york michigan
       Mar 10, 2004 @ 14:40 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13513. Re: Bar divided betw. US + CA
       nice lists all & if we are really going to do the full 2week great north american border expedition without mexico but with a bazuco then lets at least
       Mar 10, 2004 @ 15:10 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13514. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: How far is it?
       If one wanted to determine the two tripoints that are farthest apart, one should first determine which few pairs are the most likely candidates based on their
       Mar 10, 2004 @ 16:49 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13515. Re: Asia-Europe
       Further trivia: the west end of that same straight line that cuts off the 2 or 3 acres of South Carolina that drain to the Tennessee from North Carolina is
       Mar 10, 2004 @ 18:37 - adamnvillani ("adamnvillani" <avillani@...>)
13516. Re: How far is it?
       in bp terms you have improved as well as redeemed what was only a try pointing quest by turning it into an actual tripointing quest moreover your upgraded
       Mar 10, 2004 @ 18:41 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13517. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: How far is it?
       I know which two tps are the closest (not counting the bwnazazw mess) Jesper ... From: Lowell G. McManus To: Boundary Point
       Mar 10, 2004 @ 19:46 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13518. Border marker: MNRU
       http://brewal.free.fr/2_Tuva/tuva_fr_7.htm Are the Russians really using single border markers here, or are we only seing part of the demarcation? Jesper
       Mar 10, 2004 @ 21:14 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13519. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: How far is it?
       I seem to have misconstrued the original quest as pertaining to tripoints. If it pertained to [just] points, then I think that the two points farthest apart
       Mar 10, 2004 @ 21:18 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13520. Internal MY tp
       http://www.mountainsbeyond.net/events/FYCYongBelar/YongBelar40.htm
       Mar 10, 2004 @ 21:51 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13521. St. Stephen, NB - Calais, ME
       CBC Television in Canada (and on Newsworld International in the USA) is broadcasting its main national news broadcast from St. Stephen, NB - Calais, ME. The
       Mar 10, 2004 @ 22:51 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13522. gancsc was RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Asia-Europe
       ... correct but now you too have graduated from trivia to actual tripointing & your 2 ellicott rocks are among at least 4 that are still called by this name
       Mar 10, 2004 @ 23:13 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@hotmail.com>)
13523. Re: How far is it?
       ... to tripoints. ... farthest ... equatorial ... level. The bulging ... advantages of ... peak and its Sumatran ... good thinking i also realized the
       Mar 11, 2004 @ 02:00 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13524. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: How far is it?
       The two AT-CH-LIs? ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com
       Mar 11, 2004 @ 03:22 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13525. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bar divided betw. US + CA
       Hmm some of those I think would have to be precluded due to practicality. And the Binational tps would be more a subject of another trip I think. ...
       Mar 11, 2004 @ 03:40 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13526. Re: Border marker: MNRU
       it could be that there is no mongolian companion marker because mongolia disputes the alignment of this border http://www.cdi.org/russia/7022-10.cfm ... are we
       Mar 11, 2004 @ 03:44 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13527. oops corrected url Re: Border marker: MNRU
       ... the above should work now
       Mar 11, 2004 @ 04:42 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13528. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: How far is it?
       Insertions below between lines marked thus: +++++++++ ... From: m06079 To: Sent: Wednesday,
       Mar 11, 2004 @ 05:15 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13529. Re: Bar divided betw. US + CA
       hahaha hey it wouldnt be impractical to just remember them would it hahaha as if an alaska to new brunswick motor tour could actually be done in the same 2
       Mar 11, 2004 @ 05:27 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13530. Re: How far is it?
       great thanx i get it so we should drop the circumferential pursuit because even if we could determine the exact longitudes of the longest meridional circuit
       Mar 11, 2004 @ 06:20 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13531. Re: How far is it?
       using grants coords in message 11495 & the great circle calculator atchlin to atchlis is just under 15 miles & adesfre to adesfrw is just over 16 miles but
       Mar 11, 2004 @ 06:28 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13532. Re: How far is it?
       AMAZTR & AZIRTR ? Peter S.
       Mar 11, 2004 @ 07:52 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13533. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: How far is it?
       Yes! ... From: Peter Smaardijk To: Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 8:52 AM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re:
       Mar 11, 2004 @ 08:59 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13534. Re: How far is it?
       doh 5 miles no wonder the jury was still out ... ... answers
       Mar 11, 2004 @ 11:42 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13535. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: How far is it?
       Yes! We have achieved perfect agreement and understanding. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: acroorca2002 To:
       Mar 11, 2004 @ 16:12 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13536. Re: How far is it?
       ok in morning light it looks like we can proceed further already even without having to look for much more topographic detail because all the highest
       Mar 11, 2004 @ 16:14 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13537. daman diu
       Am I mistaken in thinking that there is a third somewhat smaller part of this union territory (Daman Diu) somewhere to the south on India s west coast? I
       Mar 11, 2004 @ 19:54 - raedwulf16 ("raedwulf16" <raedwulf16@...>)
13538. Re: How far is it?
       cayambe topo with pix http://www.igepn.edu.ec/varios/productos/Cayambe.gif show the volcano cone with the summit on its west side so the presumably singular
       Mar 11, 2004 @ 21:03 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13539. Re: daman diu
       ... smaller ... south on ... do you mean mistaken in thinking that there is or mistaken in thinking that there was but this may settle everything on all the
       Mar 11, 2004 @ 21:20 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13540. Re: daman diu
       Hi Thanks for the swift response..What I am looking for would be more current than historical..I know that Goa- Daman and Diu were all one political entity
       Mar 11, 2004 @ 22:30 - raedwulf16 ("raedwulf16" <raedwulf16@...>)
13541. Re: daman diu
       ok i had a feeling you might have been looking either for the mentioned former detached inland section of diu called nagar haveli or else for the also
       Mar 12, 2004 @ 00:18 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13542. Re: caprivi strip - Yes Zimbabwe touches Caprivi
       ... ... meeting ... Chobe ... (Namibia, ... which is ... hahahahahahaha you must have been joking len for didnt you know locals dont or
       Mar 12, 2004 @ 01:42 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13543. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: How far is it?
       Congratulations on the thoroughness of your research. I can give you a more accurate equatorial diameter for the earth at sea level. WGS84/NAD/83/GRS80 puts
       Mar 12, 2004 @ 02:50 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13544. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: daman diu
       I am looking at a beautiful map of Southern Asia by the National Geographic Society, dated 1981. It shows Anjidiv Island immediately off the coast of the
       Mar 12, 2004 @ 03:18 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13545. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: caprivi strip - Yes Zimbabwe touches Caprivi
       Regarding locals we know already from various expeditions it is true. But I recently saw a French produced border tv series, called Frontieres were this
       Mar 12, 2004 @ 12:37 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13546. Re: How far is it?
       highest & deepest thanxx lowell for this further advancement & for all your extremely fine guidance & being in this quest & indeed for this confirmation of
       Mar 12, 2004 @ 14:01 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13547. webcam border PL/D
       here is the webcam htpp://www.altstadtbruecke.de (old town brigde) beetwen Görlitz/D and Zgorzelec/PL over Neisse -- +++ NEU bei GMX und erstmalig in
       Mar 12, 2004 @ 15:21 - udomet@gmx.de (udomet@...)
13548. Re: How far is it?
       & a big oops must now be inserted because after reading these slightly strange but highly pertinent pages
       Mar 12, 2004 @ 17:16 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13549. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: How far is it?
       Mike, You re going to have to hang by on my every nuance for a while longer. My well pump is down, and I have a lot of work to do today to fix it. I ll hope
       Mar 12, 2004 @ 17:20 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13550. Re: How far is it?
       on still further afterthought lowell & anyone else i could easily have confused a square for a square root almost anywhere in all that math thus at least
       Mar 12, 2004 @ 17:59 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13551. where & how far are the farthest places continued
       ok i am back again already from both ecuador & sumatra with several chunks of good news on the how far is it front first & unexpectedly we appear to have
       Mar 12, 2004 @ 21:35 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13552. Re: How far is it?
       excuuuuse me lowell you were not silent but quite explicit here in the following extract & by one possible reading of it you do indeed appear to agree cotopaxi
       Mar 12, 2004 @ 23:02 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13553. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: daman diu
       Anjediv Island does happen to be part of Goa. It remains with Goa still last I checked. Originally Goa was an union territory later becoming a state. Daman
       Mar 13, 2004 @ 00:34 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
13554. Goa and Anjediva
       Daman and Diu consist of Daman, Diu and, as part of Diuu, a small detached piece of territory a few miles east of Diu island. Goa, formerly part of
       Mar 13, 2004 @ 01:36 - bwhyte@unimelb.edu.au (bwhyte@...)
13555. Re: [BoundaryPoint] where & how far are the farthest places continued
       I don t have any time for complex maths now, since my household is over 32 hours without running water, and it will be mid-morning tomorrow at best when I can
       Mar 13, 2004 @ 06:15 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13556. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: How far is it?
       Let me explain my last two IFs this way: If the rate were constant, 477 m per degree would negate the claims of peaks not pretty darn close to the Equator.
       Mar 13, 2004 @ 06:29 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13557. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: How far is it?
       email reply test: does this work? ok i am back again already from both ecuador & sumatra with several chunks of good news on the how far is it front first &
       Mar 13, 2004 @ 06:37 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13558. Re: Bar divided betw. US + CA
       Hmm 10,000 seems an awful high estimate. Closer to 6,000 I think. But regardless it seems Gold Rush is not the park I was looking for as that borders on BC,
       Mar 13, 2004 @ 07:39 - Michael Kaufman ("Michael Kaufman" <mikekaufman79@...>)
13559. Re: Bar divided betw. US + CA
       yes awful high especially if you move gold rush park from skagway to practically anywhere else since that alone could save you over 2000 miles of driving &
       Mar 13, 2004 @ 13:06 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13560. Re: How far is it?
       ... youve done it maestro by clipping from the bottom to make room for your addition on the top your message 13557 reached 80 scroll clicks tall while my
       Mar 13, 2004 @ 13:16 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13561. Re: where & how far are the farthest places continued
       ... household is over 32 hours yikes thats pretty complex already but this & your following message are generally reassuring of my hunch & sense that cayambe
       Mar 13, 2004 @ 13:29 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13562. Re: where & how far are the farthest places continued
       it turns out there isnt much more at my local library either but i did see in the times atlas there that our primary ground zero in sumatra appears to fall in
       Mar 13, 2004 @ 18:24 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13563. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: where & how far are the farthest places continued
       I do agree that The Ends of the Earth is a completely appropriate name for these special places, since no other two points on the planet are farther apart.
       Mar 13, 2004 @ 20:58 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13564. Re: where & how far are the farthest places continued
       ... appropriate name for ... are farther apart. ... and pleasure the ... tripoint-related material ... hahahaha thank you thank you & dont you think the
       Mar 13, 2004 @ 21:59 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13565. Re: How far is it?
       ... the ... however my 13550 contained 84kb & your 13557 for some reason arrived with only 39 kb of it so you must have really fluffed it up to get so much
       Mar 13, 2004 @ 22:21 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13566. united nations extend djeret try 6 more months
       http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=10055&Cr=ethiopia&Cr1=eritrea _________________________________________________________________ Find things fast
       Mar 13, 2004 @ 22:39 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13567. ctmari commissioners start cranking tuesday
       & theyre calling for a win win http://www.thewesterlysun.com/articles/2004/03/11/news/news1.txt
       Mar 13, 2004 @ 22:58 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13568. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bar divided betw. US + CA
       No way. Blaine, WA to Campobello Is. is just over 4000 by Mapquest, taking into account all of the stops. Adding a segment of Skagway to Blaine adds 1500
       Mar 13, 2004 @ 23:56 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13569. Re: Bar divided betw. US + CA
       haha well it is true i was high in the andes thank goodness but what you are now actually saying here mike at minimum namely beginning from beaver creek of all
       Mar 14, 2004 @ 01:35 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13570. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bar divided betw. US + CA
       I was speaking concerning the stops I had in my list. And there are quite a few national car chains within range of the beginning and ending points. It s only
       Mar 14, 2004 @ 03:18 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13571. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: How far is it?
       It must have clipped automatically, as I didn t erase anything. I just added my test line plus your text from the message you started in a new thread. I
       Mar 14, 2004 @ 03:51 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13572. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bar divided betw. US + CA
       This sounds like a great trip! Let me find a 1968 VW Van...
       Mar 14, 2004 @ 07:51 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
13573. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bar divided betw. US + CA
       Border Expedition experience tells us that planning doesn t mean beans to borderfreaks. I m sure expedition mastermind Peter Hering must shake his head at us
       Mar 14, 2004 @ 08:03 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
13574. Re: Bar divided betw. US + CA + GNABE ?why not?
       No, I m not shaking my head...:-) I m just having fun...and would LOVE to see YOU guys organizing it !!! WHY NOT?!!! Remember dear GCEBE, GEEBE and GBBE mates,
       Mar 14, 2004 @ 08:33 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
13575. interesting pictures
       Hi, I found on the page: http://www.klub-karpacki.org/galeria/index.html very interesting pictures from Rumanian-Ukrainian border:
       Mar 14, 2004 @ 08:56 - Boguslaw A. Tomaszewski ("Boguslaw A. Tomaszewski" <bogus.a.t@...>)
13576. Re: interesting pictures
       ... http://www.klub-karpacki.org/galeria/index.html very interesting pictures from Rumanian-Ukrainian border:
       Mar 14, 2004 @ 14:26 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13577. Re: Bar divided betw. US + CA
       ah but mike for the sheer pleasure of disagreeing with me you are now changing not only what i said but what you said too if you start from vancouver you cant
       Mar 14, 2004 @ 14:43 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13578. Re: where & how far are the farthest places continued
       ok so i will move forward tomorrow by phoning a major map supply house in north carolina where i could get lucky enough to acquire both the correct ecuadorean
       Mar 14, 2004 @ 17:35 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13579. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bar divided betw. US + CA
       No, no! My route is not a route at all -- merely my experience in driving across this great Dominion. Any route taken would hug the border -- though in most
       Mar 14, 2004 @ 18:21 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
13580. Re: [BoundaryPoint] interesting pictures
       Boguslaw: Great pictures! Thanks! Doug ...
       Mar 14, 2004 @ 19:09 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
13581. Re: where & how far are the farthest places continued
       of course i couldnt wait til tomorrow to order the topos but managed to do so online already today i think despite some anomalies at the suppliers website in
       Mar 14, 2004 @ 22:57 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13582. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bar divided betw. US + CA
       No. I am not changing what I am saying here, nor what you said. And I am not disagreeing with you for the sake of pleasure. I am disagreeing with you for
       Mar 14, 2004 @ 23:14 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13583. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bar divided betw. US + CA + GNABE ?why not?
       Me too. I agree it might be best to wait a little bit for this adventure, especially since we are booked through 2005 anyway! ...
       Mar 14, 2004 @ 23:20 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13584. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bar divided betw. US + CA
       Heh heh heh. My cousin once had an orange microbus from the early 70s that he bought for like $500. Unfortunately, I don t think it s around anymore. ...
       Mar 14, 2004 @ 23:29 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13585. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bar divided betw. US + CA
       The faux-hippies have them here. Perhaps we could borrow one!
       Mar 15, 2004 @ 03:18 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
13586. Re: Bar divided betw. US + CA
       well whatever you may or may not have changed fortunately it is all still here below to check & if you really do want to know the truth then why not spell out
       Mar 15, 2004 @ 04:24 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13587. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bar divided betw. US + CA + GNABE ?why not?
       You re right on many counts, Peter. And, of course, we all appreciate your hard work organizing. GCEBE, GEEBE, GBBE and the upcoming 2005 version -- Thanks!
       Mar 15, 2004 @ 04:55 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
13588. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bar divided betw. US + CA
       You are either not reading what I am writing or are not understanding it. MY MILEAGE IS NOT FLY-BY MILEAGE BUT IS ROAD DISTANCE CALCULATED VIA MAPQUEST. STOP
       Mar 15, 2004 @ 08:19 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13589. itinerary for the US-CA exped.???!!
       Well, it s quite amusing to see the consequences of a harmless new idea...the GNAB+BE (Great North American Border (AND Beer) Expedition - thanks Doug!!!
       Mar 15, 2004 @ 10:48 - Peter Hering (Peter Hering <hering@...>)
13590. Re: Bar divided betw. US + CA
       ok i thought you were including all of peters & dougs stops too which are also given below indeed all your suggestions below presupposed & were stacked upon
       Mar 15, 2004 @ 13:15 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13591. Re: where & how far are the farthest places continued
       the antipodal topo order has now been confirmed & the ends of the earth will indeed be coming soon to a try pointing arena near you ... page ... more ... that
       Mar 15, 2004 @ 17:33 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13592. Nice site on European Borders
       Lots of great information and photos from divided towns and villages in Europe: http://www.euborder.soton.ac.uk/commun01.html Cheers! Doug
       Mar 15, 2004 @ 17:59 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
13593. Gorizia, Italy - Nova Gorica, Slovenia
       With the coming of EU expansion, more and more fences are falling. Case in point, Gorizia - Nova Gorica. http://tinyurl.com/2lax9 Cheers! Doug
       Mar 15, 2004 @ 18:03 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
13594. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gorizia, Italy - Nova Gorica, Slovenia
       http://www.aeroklub-edvardrusjan.si/gorizia%20(it).JPG ... From: Doug Murray To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 7:03 PM Subject:
       Mar 15, 2004 @ 18:52 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13595. a funny thing keeps happening on the way to menhus
       this one ought to spawn a whole new menh border commission &or supreme court culmination http://www.seacoastonline.com/news/03152004/news/5417.htm & put an end
       Mar 15, 2004 @ 19:31 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13596. Re: interesting pictures
       ... ++++++++ The former (ghost) tripoint is/was situated about 197 km SE from the present PL-UA-SK tp. on Krzemieniec/Kremenaros. But on the West from this tp
       Mar 15, 2004 @ 20:14 - Boguslaw T. ("Boguslaw T." <bogus.a.t@...>)
13597. encore daman diu
       Thanks again for your efforts on my behalf...A close look at the India map in the Hammond Citation atlas (revised 2003) clearly shows the island of
       Mar 15, 2004 @ 21:06 - raedwulf16 ("raedwulf16" <raedwulf16@...>)
13598. Re: [BoundaryPoint] a funny thing keeps happening on the way to menhus
       I hope that this does lead to a clarification of MENHUS, but I don t think the fellow has much of a chance with his tax case. I have a 1977 Official Highway
       Mar 15, 2004 @ 21:11 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13599. Re: interesting pictures
       thanx & more applause for this truth too & of course i should have known you guys would move the tripoints around there at every opportunity ... interesting
       Mar 16, 2004 @ 00:08 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13600. Re: a funny thing keeps happening on the way to menhus
       ah so already plumbed your well to a happy ending too i trust & to review & summarize what else of relevance we have been seeing here on menh in recent years 1
       Mar 16, 2004 @ 00:51 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13601. united nations cornered by ethiopia & eritrea
       normal living breaks out as new quasi permanent dmz jells tin soldier military meetings proceed apace security & logistical concerns now routinely expressed &
       Mar 16, 2004 @ 01:12 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13602. yikes another ad hoc police condo reported
       & paint this one international but hopefully just apocryphal http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/connelly/164850_joel15.html a possibly amusing ramble along the
       Mar 16, 2004 @ 03:22 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13603. Re: united nations cornered by ethiopia & eritrea
       But then what do you make of this: http://www.news24.com/News24/Africa/News/0,,2-11-1447_149 8575,00.html ? Fair and balanced, theia
       Mar 16, 2004 @ 14:34 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
13604. Re: united nations cornered by ethiopia & eritrea
       wow nice going goddess a completely positive news source in fact allow me to play it again in case anyone missed it http://tinyurl.com/2wb6n i will have to
       Mar 16, 2004 @ 16:42 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13605. pianosa island and pianosa island
       hi just for fun,,,does anyone know why there are two islands in Italy...one off the east coast and one off the west coast with the same name.. PIANOSA???
       Mar 16, 2004 @ 20:34 - raedwulf16 ("raedwulf16" <raedwulf16@...>)
13606. Re: pianosa island and pianosa island
       ... what do you mean by why likely they are both just flat islands close enough to italy to have each been named flat island in the italian language of the
       Mar 16, 2004 @ 23:07 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13607. Re: a funny thing keeps happening on the way to menhus
       http://www.seacoastonline.com/news/03162004/news/5522.htm ... head ... 1977 ... the ... http://www.seacoastonline.com/news/03152004/news/5417.htm ... harbor
       Mar 16, 2004 @ 23:40 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13608. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: interesting pictures
       Boguslaw: Ok so the old Czechoslovakian-Polish-Romanian tp on Stoh is now on the Romania-Ukraine boundary. And the 1927 Polish-Romanian markers - do these now
       Mar 17, 2004 @ 03:51 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13609. Re: interesting pictures
       ... http://www.klub-karpacki.org/galeria/4.phpgrupa=UA/KARPMARM ... http://www.klub-karpacki.org/galeria/4.phpgrupa=UA/KARPMARM ...
       Mar 17, 2004 @ 14:45 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13610. Re: a funny thing keeps happening on the way to menhus
       the legal briefs behind the tax revolt bravura http://supct.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/130ORIG.ZS.html & tho the usgs topo does indeed place seavey island
       Mar 17, 2004 @ 17:30 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13611. quarter of a million clavers face eviction
       but are all these stats really correct http://nation.ittefaq.com/artman/publish/article_7593.shtml yikes this could mean most of the clave population of the
       Mar 17, 2004 @ 19:10 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13612. change in e-mail address
       I have tried several times to get my e-mail address changed in your records. Mail is still coming to me at jparsell@northnet.org The new address is
       Mar 17, 2004 @ 19:36 - jparsell ("jparsell" <jparsell@...>)
13613. OT: new CY flag
       http://www.trncpresidency.org/press/news/new_country_new_flag.htm
       Mar 17, 2004 @ 21:21 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13614. Re: OT: new CY flag
       do you mean to tell us the new cyprus still isnt flying the flag of the old testament yet ... http://www.trncpresidency.org/press/news/new_country_new_fla
       Mar 17, 2004 @ 22:42 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13615. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: OT: new CY flag
       OT means off topic ... From: m06079 To: Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 11:42 PM Subject:
       Mar 17, 2004 @ 22:44 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13616. Border controls return to Portugal
       http://www.voanews.com/article.cfm?objectID=586AAD07-F73F-4802- A10AEBA0178E5AD1
       Mar 17, 2004 @ 22:51 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
13617. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: a funny thing keeps happening on the way to menhus
       I agree that the boundary through Portsmouth Harbor in the wide mouth of the Piscataqua River lacks proper demarcation, but any fair interpretation of the 1740
       Mar 17, 2004 @ 23:42 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13618. Re: a funny thing keeps happening on the way to menhus
       excellent analysis & of course it was multi wishfully thought from the start here too ... wide mouth of the ... interpretation of the ... the naval base on ...
       Mar 18, 2004 @ 01:02 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13619. Re: encore daman diu
       I posted to the photos library extracts from old Portuguese-Goa Era maps showing Diu, a slice of Goa with the small island of Angediva south of it, off the
       Mar 18, 2004 @ 02:32 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
13620. Re: On the trail of the Garner speech
       As detailed in my January post below, I requested from my Congressman a copy of the congressional speech cited in footnote 62a on page 171 of BUS&SS-1964 as
       Mar 18, 2004 @ 02:34 - lowellgmcmanus ("lowellgmcmanus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13621. Re: Bar divided betw. US + CA + GNABE ?why not?
       Not including Alaska, it is possible to cover the Can-Am border in two weeks. I have driven from Sudbury, Ontario, Canada to Vancouver, BC via the northern US
       Mar 18, 2004 @ 04:43 - xachary04 ("xachary04" <xachary04@...>)
13622. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: encore daman diu
       On my 1981 NGS map of India, the larger part of the inland portion of Damao is shown as a separate small Indian entity called Dadra and Nagar Haveli. The
       Mar 18, 2004 @ 06:58 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13623. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bar divided betw. US + CA
       Why did you think that? Your original claim was directed at me. You told me that I was pushing 10,000 miles. I m not discounting anyone else s stops. All I
       Mar 18, 2004 @ 07:21 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13624. Re: Bar divided betw. US + CA
       first of all mike nothing is more important than that you feel good so for starters please leave your problems & your shouting somewhere else & be sure to come
       Mar 18, 2004 @ 14:31 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13625. Re: On the trail of the Garner speech
       but wait i dont get your sadness either this news just prolongs the pleasure of your questing doesnt it so happily we still have somewhere to go & grow on this
       Mar 18, 2004 @ 15:00 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13626. Re: Gorizia, Italy - Nova Gorica, Slovenia
       ... falling. Case in point, Gorizia - Nova Gorica. ... Now I have reactivated my account and problems should disappear! Some aerial pictures from Nova Gorica
       Mar 18, 2004 @ 15:48 - Artur Kroc ("Artur Kroc" <kroc@...>)
13627. plde border near Nowe Warpno/Altwarp
       Here are some aerial pictures plde border. Photos #1 and #3 are showing a little island. Two peninsulas belong to polish community of Nowe Warpno, and the next
       Mar 18, 2004 @ 15:54 - Artur Kroc ("Artur Kroc" <kroc@...>)
13628. Re: plde border near Nowe Warpno/Altwarp
       ... of ... z_city_id=0&katalog=n14_&max_katalog=n14_&x_obr=687&y_obr=1287&x_15=87 ... Pictures are here:
       Mar 18, 2004 @ 15:58 - Artur Kroc ("Artur Kroc" <kroc@...>)
13629. Divided island of Marketin
       http://www.gwardak.com/albild3.htm Market Reef This is hard to reach rocky island long 340 meter and 80 m. wide. It lies lonely on Aland Sea, about 13 miles
       Mar 18, 2004 @ 16:34 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@...>)
13630. Re: a funny thing keeps happening on the way to menhus
       well & maybe i will nibble a quibble with you here too just to keep things light for tho the confusions are similar your njny had previously been definitely
       Mar 18, 2004 @ 17:06 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13631. Re: Gorizia, Italy - Nova Gorica, Slovenia
       ... ... Slovenia ... are ... disappear! well said ... well said well said & our little piggies have already been to market too
       Mar 18, 2004 @ 17:20 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13632. Lost Border Dawg
       Reason #1 for a leash: http://tinyurl.com/3xlsq Doug
       Mar 18, 2004 @ 17:35 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
13633. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Divided island of Marketin
       It s always nice to bring up old topics, especially with the new people joining the group. The Märket map site had moved, but I was lucky to find it again:
       Mar 18, 2004 @ 18:34 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13634. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: plde border near Nowe Warpno/Altwarp
       If you click on photo 3, you get this enlargement: http://www.szczecin.tvp.pl/parawpolske/lotnicze/nowe_warpno3.jpg In it, you can see that the island is
       Mar 18, 2004 @ 19:01 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13635. Re: [BoundaryPoint] plde border near Nowe Warpno/Altwarp
       Polish. Jesper ... From: Artur Kroc To: Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 4:54 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint]
       Mar 18, 2004 @ 19:04 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
13636. Re: plde border near Nowe Warpno/Altwarp
       Looks like an error. See http://tinyurl.com/2qm2q (Altwarp Harbour). Peter S. ... by a ... community ... This ...
       Mar 18, 2004 @ 19:47 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13637. Re: pianosa island and pianosa island
       Thanks.that makes perfect sense to me ..although I do maintain that no place should have the same name as another place(to avoid possible confusion) but I
       Mar 18, 2004 @ 19:49 - raedwulf16 ("raedwulf16" <raedwulf16@...>)
13638. Re: plde border near Nowe Warpno/Altwarp
       And a picture of that harbour: http://tinyurl.com/3cayk Peter S. ... shore ... are ... german. ...
       Mar 18, 2004 @ 19:55 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13639. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: plde border near Nowe Warpno/Altwarp
       Are there any online sites with topographic maps of PLDE showing markers? Jesper ... From: Peter Smaardijk To:
       Mar 18, 2004 @ 19:56 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13640. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: plde border near Nowe Warpno/Altwarp
       There is something going out there from the coast. ... From: Peter Smaardijk To: Sent: Thursday, March
       Mar 18, 2004 @ 19:58 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13641. anjediv again
       Hi.. This is a reply to my query about Anjediv sent from a guy who lives in Goa ..Perhaps he is in a good position to know..I will next attempt to contact
       Mar 18, 2004 @ 20:20 - raedwulf16 ("raedwulf16" <raedwulf16@...>)
13642. Re: Lost Border Dawg
       ... yikes dont they know some dogs like to eat dope obviously this one found & wolfed the entire stash & cant stand up for days & dont they know any other
       Mar 18, 2004 @ 21:14 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13643. Re: plde border near Nowe Warpno/Altwarp
       ... markers? ... Harbour). ... shore ... Warpno/Altwarp ... ... are ... german. ...
       Mar 18, 2004 @ 22:18 - Artur Kroc ("Artur Kroc" <kroc@...>)
13644. Re: Lost Border Dawg
       ... yikes dont they know some dawgs like to eat dope this one obviously found & wolfed that entire stash & now cant stand up for days & dont they know they
       Mar 18, 2004 @ 19:18 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13645. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: a funny thing keeps happening on the way to menhus
       I have inserted my thoughts at appropriate places below: Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: acroorca2002 To:
       Mar 18, 2004 @ 23:58 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13646. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: encore daman diu
       Dadra and Nagar Haveli is a separate Union Territory. The two areas used to be identified as the inland enclaves of Daman in old publications. There is the
       Mar 19, 2004 @ 02:09 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
13647. Re: [BoundaryPoint] anjediv again
       Your correspondent Godfrey is co-author of a 2002 web page giving a good history of Anjediv Island and the threat to a very pretty 500-year old Christian
       Mar 19, 2004 @ 02:16 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13648. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: plde border near Nowe Warpno/Altwarp
       Peter, Perhaps the breakwater is newer than the map and your photo. Clearly, the map was made since the reunification of Germany, but the breakwater could be
       Mar 19, 2004 @ 03:02 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13649. Re: a funny thing keeps happening on the way to menhus
       just one insertion below ... the way to menhus ... nj ... NJNY. My ... bureaucratic indifference ... the Ellis Island ... there ... been ... delineation ...
       Mar 19, 2004 @ 03:51 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13650. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: a funny thing keeps happening on the way to menhus
       You might be right to call what I was calling a delimitation a refinement of the King s vague delineation instead. Regardless of what one calls it, I was
       Mar 19, 2004 @ 05:48 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13651. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: pianosa island and pianosa island
       Hm, in my hometown we have four ice-cream shops. three of them are called Venezia ... Regards, Chris ... From: raedwulf16 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
       Mar 19, 2004 @ 07:19 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
13652. Re: a funny thing keeps happening on the way to menhus
       yikes who might be right to call what who was calling what a what hahahaha & i cant recall the last time time you used the word delimitation not in this thread
       Mar 19, 2004 @ 14:03 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13653. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: a funny thing keeps happening on the way to menhus
       Please let me apologize and plead insomnia! I wrote my reply too late at night, when I should have gone on to bed and written it in the morning. I meant
       Mar 19, 2004 @ 15:47 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13654. Re: plde border near Nowe Warpno/Altwarp
       Yes, that could be true. But I still think that there is more chance of there being no breakwater. See the site from which the map was taken:
       Mar 19, 2004 @ 16:09 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13655. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: plde border near Nowe Warpno/Altwarp
       There is clearly something connecting the nearest points of the German shore and the island on the aerial photo. On the same site where you found the map,
       Mar 19, 2004 @ 16:53 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13656. Re: plde border near Nowe Warpno/Altwarp
       Apparently, Kahlenberg does have a Polish name: Łysa Wyspa (German name: Bald mountain; Polish name: Bald island). It is mentioned at
       Mar 19, 2004 @ 16:58 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13657. Re: plde border near Nowe Warpno/Altwarp
       In English: http://eucc.szc.pl/eng/podgrodzie.htm (without the pictures, though). Peter S. ... (German ... can t ... this ... other ... very ... you ... a ...
       Mar 19, 2004 @ 18:38 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13658. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Asia-Europe
       At the back of my Polish Road atlas are 1 : 4 300 000 maps covering all of Europe, Middle East and Causasus. They have drawn the border line between Europe and
       Mar 19, 2004 @ 19:59 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13659. Re: a funny thing keeps happening on the way to menhus
       ok all your points are well taken & i do think you are right & i agree we have probably milked this for all it is worth til later in the month anyway & i will
       Mar 19, 2004 @ 20:30 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13660. New type of Boundary - page 1
       Here is an interesting concept, an environmental boundary. Sorry I couldn t figure out how to scan two pages into one e-mail, so the rest of the article will
       Mar 20, 2004 @ 02:36 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@twcny.rr.com>)
13661. New type of boundary - page 2
       Here is the rest of the article.
       Mar 20, 2004 @ 02:38 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@twcny.rr.com>)
13662. A new type of boundary
       I just checked on BoundaryPoint and apparently the attachments did not go through. For those interested, the article is from the April, 2004 issue of OUTSIDE
       Mar 20, 2004 @ 03:04 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
13663. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bar divided betw. US + CA
       Again, you misread and miscomprehend me. Where did I put a 2 week limit on anything? Please point this out as I never put this limit there. For some odd
       Mar 20, 2004 @ 07:25 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13664. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Lost Border Dawg
       Reason #2 for a leash: Coming off the ferry in Poland on the GBBE, upon exiting of the customs area... ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?
       Mar 20, 2004 @ 07:28 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13665. Re: [BoundaryPoint] A new type of boundary
       Jack: The attachments came through to me via email with no problem. Hope all is well! Doug
       Mar 20, 2004 @ 08:14 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
13666. Re: A new type of boundary
       beautiful jack we read you loud & clear & cant imagine a better case of redemption anywhere anytime must be a global extremity & boundary point combined ...
       Mar 20, 2004 @ 12:18 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13667. Re: Bar divided betw. US + CA cannot stand
       hahahahahahaha ok you absolutely win mike hahahahaha i couldnt stuff another byte in & had to cut from the bottom in order to even answer hahahaha so not only
       Mar 20, 2004 @ 14:06 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13668. Discreet BYRU monument
       http://www.wrower.pl/rozne/waldek/granica-bialorosku-ukrainska.jpg And what is this? http://www.pogranec.narod.ru/granica.jpg Jesper
       Mar 20, 2004 @ 14:14 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13669. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Discreet BYRU monument
       The second link looks like a bunch of soldiers duck hunting on the boundary between the Soviet Union and Finland. :-) Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana,
       Mar 20, 2004 @ 14:53 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13670. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Discreet BYRU monument
       Ahh, I was fooled by the cyrillic letters. It was trying to think of something more internal USSR-ish. But was doesn t it say Suomi then? Jesper ... From:
       Mar 20, 2004 @ 14:57 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13671. Re: Discreet BYRU monument
       ... http://www.wrower.pl/rozne/waldek/granica-bialorosku-ukrainska .jpg ... modest unobtrusive lacking ostentation or pretension having a judicious reserve or
       Mar 20, 2004 @ 15:05 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13672. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Discreet BYRU monument
       Where did you find that poem? Just like when I went to schoool, poems made little sence to me. ... From: m06079 To:
       Mar 20, 2004 @ 15:10 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13673. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Asia-Europe
       Can anybody translate the plaque? http://kmbosch.bei.t-online.de/granica_Azija-Evropa.jpg ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent:
       Mar 20, 2004 @ 15:28 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13674. Unknown border
       Found this on the net: http://kni.ae.krakow.pl/~acid/paul/jpg/granica.jpg There is no html there to back up the picture. Any guessed of where it could be,
       Mar 20, 2004 @ 15:33 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13675. Re: Discreet BYRU monument
       thanx your question created it our first bp answer poem distinctive marker you have there too ... me. ...
       Mar 20, 2004 @ 15:36 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13676. Re: Asia-Europe
       The geographical marker Europe - Asia was erected in 1837 on the slope of Berezovaja hill (413 m.), the highest point on the Siberian trail, crossing the
       Mar 20, 2004 @ 16:25 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13677. Re: Asia-Europe
       & it continues true even today that the ural ridge is a natural boundary as well as the most objective available continental divide of the subjective eurasian
       Mar 20, 2004 @ 17:10 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13678. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Discreet BYRU monument
       What it says is FNNLYANDNYA in Cyrillic lettering. There is something very melodramatic about the photo. It looks like an event staged for the camera. The
       Mar 20, 2004 @ 17:27 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13679. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Unknown border
       That is the Syrian flag painted vertically at the guard house near the center of the photo. Curiously, the power lines on the right side of the road continue
       Mar 20, 2004 @ 17:45 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13680. Where is Szumska on PLSU?
       Close to PLSKUA, right? http://www.idn.org.pl/medykon/wolyn/krzemieniecki/83.htm http://www.idn.org.pl/medykon/wolyn/krzemieniecki/84.htm Jesper
       Mar 20, 2004 @ 21:16 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13681. DERU
       http://www.ipn.gov.pl/aktual_17wrzesien39.html
       Mar 20, 2004 @ 21:23 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13682. watershed landmark try pointing improvement announced
       http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint
       Mar 20, 2004 @ 21:28 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13683. ATHUSK/CZPLSK/ATCZSK border maps
       http://www.atlaskrajiny.sk/sk/myimages/2_sub_2.jpg
       Mar 20, 2004 @ 21:34 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13684. Cancellation of subscribership
       To Whom It May Concern: Try as I might, I have been, thus far, unsuccessful in cancelling *membership* in the BoundaryPoints Yahoo Groups. I have followed, to
       Mar 20, 2004 @ 22:01 - Carl Schubbe ("Carl Schubbe" <turtle5003@...>)
13685. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bar divided betw. US + CA
       Dear Mr. Kaufman: Please help me out here. I cannot understand why so often BoundaryPoint members appear to become *pissed off* toward other members. I can t
       Mar 20, 2004 @ 22:11 - Carl Schubbe ("Carl Schubbe" <turtle5003@...>)
13686. Re: Cancellation of subscribership
       thank you friend & farewell i believe i can remove you but have never dared to try this delicate maneuver except as an april fools joke but will try to do this
       Mar 20, 2004 @ 22:18 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13687. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Cancellation of subscribership
       Thankyou so very much....and happy trails to you, sir Carl Schubbe ... From: m06079 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 2:18 PM
       Mar 20, 2004 @ 22:16 - Carl Schubbe ("Carl Schubbe" <turtle5003@...>)
13688. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bar divided betw. US + CA
       Did any of these zones join for a tripoint? Jesper
       Mar 20, 2004 @ 22:21 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13689. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bar divided betw. US + CA
       Dear Mr. Nielsen, I haven t the foggiest notion of what consititutes a tripoint unless it is a place (as in Sophocles Oedipus Rex where three roads meet and
       Mar 20, 2004 @ 22:23 - Carl Schubbe ("Carl Schubbe" <turtle5003@...>)
13690. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bar divided betw. US + CA
       It s actually a very interesting question, which I would like to know the answer to myself. I am not strong withjin Berlin, but there are quite some Berlin
       Mar 20, 2004 @ 22:33 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13691. Re: Bar divided betw. US + CA
       my dear turtle & i would beg you stay at least long enough to read this except i believe i have successfully turned off your email while not daring to revoke
       Mar 20, 2004 @ 22:53 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13692. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bar divided betw. US + CA cannot stand
       Ok well at least you seem to be understanding me better, and I understanding you better. I do enjoy reading your try pointing and tripointing accounts. I
       Mar 20, 2004 @ 23:27 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13693. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bar divided betw. US + CA
       Dear m06079 Thankyou for your kind words and help. I had absolutely *no idea* how much conversation went on amongst the members of BoundaryPoint! I shall,
       Mar 20, 2004 @ 23:29 - Carl Schubbe ("Carl Schubbe" <turtle5003@...>)
13694. Re: Bar divided betw. US + CA
       excellent carl & i have a feeling our sharpshooters will be zeroing in on your question about the occupation zone conjunctions before very much longer now that
       Mar 21, 2004 @ 00:01 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13695. Baarle on Deutsche Welle's European Journal
       I was watching Deutsche Welle s European Journal on a local PBS station when they started a story on Baarle. Gave a good overview of the situation of the town
       Mar 21, 2004 @ 01:14 - Andrew T. Patton (Andrew T. Patton <andrew@...>)
13696. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bar divided betw. US + CA
       I think people use you said, he said, I said, to shed light on what is currently being said. Not so much for pissing off but more for coming to
       Mar 21, 2004 @ 01:35 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13697. Re: Bar divided betw. US + CA cannot stand
       ... yes yes made it worth our going thru the ceiling didnt it I do enjoy ... thank you mike that is gratification personified I ... is that gnastp as in nasty
       Mar 21, 2004 @ 02:44 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13698. Re: Bar divided betw. US + CA
       you are right because you are here mike but here or anywhere anyone who gets pissed off does so at their own risk & expense it is not part of the program here
       Mar 21, 2004 @ 03:23 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13699. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bar divided betw. US + CA
       Exactly true; truly exact. ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time.
       Mar 21, 2004 @ 04:33 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13700. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Discreet BYRU monument --> BYUA
       The first photo is BY-UA, not RU. Also the writing in the middle translates to Freindship and Brotherhood. Any guess if it is a witness mark or the
       Mar 21, 2004 @ 04:47 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13701. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Where is Szumska on PLSU?
       Today, this area lies entirely in Ukraine about 160 km east of L´viv (or Lwów or Lemberg). Szumska is situated 35 km east from the town of Kremenec (or
       Mar 21, 2004 @ 08:43 - Petter Brabec (=?iso-8859-1?q?Petter=20Brabec?= <pete2784west@...>)
13702. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Discreet BYRU monument
       Again, as is the case of the border of Ukraine, the border between Finland and the Soviet Union has moved several times between 1917 and 1945. To me, the
       Mar 21, 2004 @ 09:15 - Petter Brabec (=?iso-8859-1?q?Petter=20Brabec?= <pete2784west@...>)
13703. Re: watershed landmark try pointing improvement announced
       a further improvement has since been made not by me but i think everything is still true
       Mar 21, 2004 @ 12:27 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13704. only known prior end of earth claim
       end singular so we will need to find both ends to definitively improve on this http://www.americanpresidents.org/classroom/05guide2.asp for the full quote &
       Mar 21, 2004 @ 13:57 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13705. Another nice historic photo
       http://www.novekralicko.cz/1002/images/cara.jpg
       Mar 21, 2004 @ 18:52 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13706. Re: Another nice historic photo
       ... yes & i especially like both clowns with the signs growing out of their heads which dates it clearly before the advent of lightbulbs or thought balloons
       Mar 21, 2004 @ 19:17 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13707. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Digest Number 1377 Where is Szumsk on PL-SU
       Hello, the town Szumsk is 26 km E from Kremenec/Krzemieniec on the river Wiljia, about 26°xx E 50°yy N, now in Ukraine. Boguslaw
       Mar 21, 2004 @ 20:48 - Boguslaw A. Tomaszewski ("Boguslaw A. Tomaszewski" <bogus.a.t@...>)
13708. worlds oldest living thing improvement try afoot
       a friend who directs the harvard arboretum dropped by at cream hill today on his way to yucca valley where he will try to find the worlds oldest living thing
       Mar 22, 2004 @ 00:02 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
13709. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: plde border near Nowe Warpno/Altwarp
       Yes, name of this island in polish is Lysa Wyspa which means Bald island - implicitly treeless island.
       Mar 22, 2004 @ 13:13 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@...>)
13710. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Unknown border
       See picture index: http://kni.ae.krakow.pl/~acid/paul/jpg/ names of pictures are Syrian
       Mar 22, 2004 @ 13:20 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@...>)
13711. Re: Where is Szumska on PLSU?
       The name is Szumsk in Polish (Szumska is the genetive case). A postwar Soviet map: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu:8085/x-ussr/100k/M-35-065.jpg (bearing the
       Mar 22, 2004 @ 13:40 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13712. Re: DERU
       http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/7004
       Mar 22, 2004 @ 13:54 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13713. New Berlin Wall Map
       Hi group, months ago several people here asked if there was a map which showed detail= s of the physical layout of the Berlin wall. Answer then was that the
       Mar 22, 2004 @ 14:08 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <listen@...>)
13714. Re: watershed landmark try pointing improvements announced
       several additional truly great advancements are now up on our bp home page detailing more precisely than ever the truth of who we are & why we are here ...
       Mar 22, 2004 @ 14:20 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13715. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Where is Szumska on PLSU?
       Mas pravdu. Kdyz jsem to cetl v polstine tak vidim jasne, ze se jedna o genitiv. Jesper to ale napsal tak jak to cetl, aniz by se zamyslel nad pady. You re
       Mar 22, 2004 @ 14:21 - Petter Brabec (=?iso-8859-1?q?Petter=20Brabec?= <pete2784west@...>)
13716. tripoints & sector boundaries Berlin, was: Bar divided betw. US + CA
       Regarding tripoints: Yes there were two. 1. SU/FR/UK sectors, near the port Nordhafen in the canal Spandauer Schiffahrtskanal 2. SU/UK/US sectors, at
       Mar 22, 2004 @ 14:56 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <listen@...>)
13717. Re: worlds oldest living thing improvement try afoot
       & what does this oldest living thing have in common with the worlds tallest living thing & the worlds largest living thing as well as the worlds oldest tree
       Mar 22, 2004 @ 15:02 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13718. worlds biggest bore & longest free ride
       http://www.bbc.co.uk/gloucestershire/focus/community/content/archive/severn.shtml guinness claims the mentioned chinese exemplar once reached 200 miles but an
       Mar 23, 2004 @ 01:19 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13719. Re: worlds biggest bore & longest free ride
       And you are a breath of fresh air too! The New York Times article claims the record pororoca ride has reached 34 minutes and 10 seconds! The article also
       Mar 23, 2004 @ 01:50 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
13720. will cnnp renewal on thursday advance our cninnpe & cninnpw tries
       http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-03/22/content_1378682.htm reports cnin & all 95 of its markers are soon to be under review
       Mar 23, 2004 @ 02:08 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13721. Re: will cnnp renewal on thursday advance our cninnpe & cninnpw tries
       ... http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-03/22/content_1378682 .htm ... http://www.law.fsu.edu/library/collection/LimitsinSeas/IBS050.pdf ...
       Mar 23, 2004 @ 02:55 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13722. eritrea axes axworthy again in favor of immediate djeret try
       http://allafrica.com/stories/200403220092.html she also distinctly appears to be returning kofis diplomatic full court press by pressing his forces mimetically
       Mar 23, 2004 @ 04:58 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13723. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: worlds oldest living thing improvement try afoot
       They are all on the West Coast of the United States. Tallest living thing is the Mendocino Tree in Ukiah, CA: 367.5 ft tall Largest: 2200 acre honey mushroom
       Mar 23, 2004 @ 07:25 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13724. Old tripoint, now in Poland
       A picture of an old tripoint marker in Poland, near the villages of Prostki and Bogusze (SE of E³k): http://www.castlesofpoland.com/prusy/elkdzis_po030.htm .
       Mar 23, 2004 @ 10:45 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13725. Boundary Commission Needs $12m to Demarcate Nigeria/Cameroon Border
       Boundary Commission Needs $12m to Demarcate Nigeria/Cameroon Border http://allafrica.com/stories/200403220871.html
       Mar 23, 2004 @ 13:09 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@...>)
13726. Re: Boundary Commission Needs $12m to Demarcate Nigeria/Cameroon Border
       ... Nigeria/Cameroon Border ... their problem is cmneng doesnt exist thats right there is no niger side to the cameroon nigeria boundary must be another report
       Mar 23, 2004 @ 13:28 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13727. Re: Old tripoint, now in Poland
       ... Acc. to the ... an ... marker on ... Prussia, later ... when there ... yesss radical absolutist extremist fundamentalist trypointing is back in town & it
       Mar 23, 2004 @ 14:17 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13728. Re: Old tripoint, now in Poland
       ... of ... That looks like the Vistula to me... ... Yes, that one shows the tripoint. Peter S.
       Mar 23, 2004 @ 14:32 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13729. Re: Old tripoint, now in Poland
       ... ... villages ... is ... Mazovia ... decades ... http://historymedren.about.com/library/atlas/natmapbalt1563.htm ... so the 1550 map
       Mar 23, 2004 @ 15:21 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13730. Re: worlds oldest living thing improvement try afoot
       bravo my alter e guy for you have outdone me again your answer here is what enigmatologists call a cook a correct solution other than the intended one &
       Mar 23, 2004 @ 15:21 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13731. Re: tripoints & sector boundaries Berlin, was: Bar divided betw. US + CA
       ok wolfie is that you i knew you would come thru for this so we are really talking 1945frgbsu1991 on the one hand & 1945gbsuus1972 plus 1972gbsuus1991 on the
       Mar 23, 2004 @ 16:34 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13732. Re: tripoints & sector boundaries Berlin, was: Bar divided betw. US + CA
       I m not sure, but it looks like the other sectoral tripoint was moved as well following a boundary change involving a small parcel of land along the Kieler
       Mar 23, 2004 @ 17:11 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13733. Re: ATHUSK/CZPLSK/ATCZSK border maps
       ... these are lovely & i wish their 2 remaining sister diagrams will arrive soon too of course atczsk is the greatest charmer having been selected as point 2
       Mar 23, 2004 @ 17:37 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13734. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Old tripoint, now in Poland
       I think, this photo is taken from North, that is from the Prussian side. To the left on the wall, there is a Lithuainian white knight coat-of-arms, to the
       Mar 23, 2004 @ 18:17 - Petter Brabec (=?iso-8859-1?q?Petter=20Brabec?= <pete2784west@...>)
13735. Re: Old tripoint, now in Poland
       thats exciting petter you seem to be indicating it might be possible to recite the long chronological list of the turns of fortune of this particular tripoint
       Mar 23, 2004 @ 18:48 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13736. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ATHUSK/CZPLSK/ATCZSK border maps
       I have already written to the site authors requesting a better quality map, plus the other tripoints. Still wating patiently. I am very interested in seeing
       Mar 23, 2004 @ 21:28 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
13737. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ATHUSK/CZPLSK/ATCZSK border maps
       I think they are roads/paths. Old iron curtain patrol paths. Jesper
       Mar 23, 2004 @ 21:36 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13738. tp mouse finally roars for fair eez tps at auidtpe & auidtpw
       http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2004/s1072085.htm news flash http://www.etan.org/news/2003a/11bound.htm background & good links
       Mar 24, 2004 @ 01:10 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13739. Re: ATHUSK/CZPLSK/ATCZSK border maps
       ... quality map, ... scale, as I too ... person. ... blue arrow shows the ... was taken. ... ground ... map. Looks ... have known this ... crew is ... Mike
       Mar 24, 2004 @ 02:14 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13740. ends of the earth delayed at least 4 weeks
       after expecting overnight delivery for the past 8 days i finally phoned the map supply place in north carolina again & learned both topos will not exactly be
       Mar 24, 2004 @ 02:38 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13741. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ATHUSK/CZPLSK/ATCZSK border maps
       I think the 1st three pics are CZ instead of SK. Because the Sk monument was across the larger of the 2 streams and all by itself. Picture 2 - the small marker
       Mar 24, 2004 @ 06:01 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13742. Re: [BoundaryPoint] tp mouse finally roars for fair eez tps at auidtpe & auidtpw
       E. Timor is TP or TL? http://www.iso.org/iso/en/prods-services/iso3166ma/02iso-3166-code-lists/list-en1.html says TL
       Mar 24, 2004 @ 06:10 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13743. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: worlds oldest living thing improvement try afoot
       Ah ha - so they are all in CA. Most massive: General Sherman tree, Sequoia National Park, CA: trunk alone weighs approx. 1400 tons and trunk volume is 52,500
       Mar 24, 2004 @ 07:04 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13744. Re: tp mouse finally roars for fair eez tps at auidtpe & auidtpw
       TL http://tinyurl.com/2c9fo Peter S. ... lists/list-en1.html
       Mar 24, 2004 @ 08:11 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13745. Re: tp mouse finally roars for fair eez tps at auidtpe & auidtpw
       thanxx auidtle & auidtlw easier to say & remember a whittle & a whittle ooh but will we need a new tripoint mousecot too ...
       Mar 24, 2004 @ 13:04 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13746. Re: worlds oldest living thing improvement try afoot
       right well done again so maybe the best puzzle or trivia question that could be whittled from all this is what do the oldest & tallest & most massive living
       Mar 24, 2004 @ 13:51 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13747. Re: ATHUSK/CZPLSK/ATCZSK border maps
       what are the positively known facts however few they may be no matter & can anyone give us any graphical help to grasp just these & only these facts for
       Mar 24, 2004 @ 15:02 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13748. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ATHUSK/CZPLSK/ATCZSK border maps
       Hallo, at this link, in Czech, the locals explain how the process of setting up the monoliths around the tripoint went, all the necessary measures and other
       Mar 24, 2004 @ 17:56 - Petter Brabec (=?iso-8859-1?q?Petter=20Brabec?= <pete2784west@...>)
13749. Re: ATHUSK/CZPLSK/ATCZSK border maps
       http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/6091 Peter S. (acting as Pepijn H. ;-)) ... of setting up the monoliths around the tripoint went, all the
       Mar 24, 2004 @ 19:54 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13750. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ATHUSK/CZPLSK/ATCZSK border maps
       Nice translation job and it spares me a job : ). But even you can see, that some pretty important sentences about distances and geometrical facts are left out
       Mar 24, 2004 @ 20:52 - Petter Brabec (=?iso-8859-1?q?Petter=20Brabec?= <pete2784west@...>)
13751. Re: ATHUSK/CZPLSK/ATCZSK border maps
       if the text & translation & my reading of it are all correct then the 3 obelisks define a circle with the tripoint at its center & the faces with the emblems
       Mar 24, 2004 @ 21:34 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13752. Re: ATHUSK/CZPLSK/ATCZSK border maps
       also does anyone know if the creek or creeks here are part of the scene just by chance or if 1 or more of the boundary delineations actually follow it or them
       Mar 25, 2004 @ 00:20 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13753. Spain Portugal divided lamppost/flagpole
       ES-PT: Looks like a divided lamppost or flagpole. http://www.uni-bayreuth.de/departments/didgeo/bildergross/grenze.jpg __________________________________ Do
       Mar 25, 2004 @ 06:03 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13754. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Spain Portugal divided lamppost/flagpole
       Cool! Let s start a site showing Objects divided by borders . Rolf
       Mar 25, 2004 @ 06:08 - Rolf Palmberg (Rolf Palmberg <rpalmber@...>)
13755. Brazil-Guyana-Venezuela Tripoint (BR-GY-VE)
       BRGYVE: http://www.fulldayturismo.com/show/pics_gb.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on
       Mar 25, 2004 @ 06:24 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13756. Re: Spain Portugal divided lamppost/flagpole
       Sounds good! ... bayreuth.de/departments/didgeo/bildergross/grenze.jpg http://www.uni- bayreuth.de/departments/didgeo/bildergross/grenze.jpg ... l ...
       Mar 25, 2004 @ 06:39 - Michael Kaufman ("Michael Kaufman" <mikekaufman79@...>)
13757. Re: Brazil-Guyana-Venezuela Tripoint (BR-GY-VE)
       Doh! I was just was looking for additional pictures of this tp and found that the link I posted is already on BorderBase! Well a virtual revisit for those who
       Mar 25, 2004 @ 06:44 - Michael Kaufman ("Michael Kaufman" <mikekaufman79@...>)
13758. [BoundaryPoint] Re: Spain Portugal divided lamppost/flagpole
       This post appears to be wholly Portugese to me. The line on the road turns and there is a yellow line on the kerb from the Portugese side that reaches to the
       Mar 25, 2004 @ 10:55 - bramwellhayes@doctors.org.uk (<bramwellhayes@...>)
13759. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Spain Portugal divided lamppost/flagpole
       It looks wholly Portugese to me. The line on the road turns and the yellow mark on the kerb seems to include the whole of the post in Portugal.
       Mar 25, 2004 @ 18:37 - bramwellhayes@doctors.org.uk (<bramwellhayes@...>)
13760. Re: Spain Portugal divided lamppost/flagpole
       sounds great rolf & mike but it is actually too late to start it since we already are it http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint yes thats right & whatever
       Mar 25, 2004 @ 13:04 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13761. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ATHUSK/CZPLSK/ATCZSK border maps
       ok jesper thanx i just got this & took a second look at everything & basically i am encouraged that both you & rolf appear to be indicating wet prospective
       Mar 25, 2004 @ 14:36 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13762. Springtime on INPK, of all places
       Their funny Cricket Diplomacy: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/13375 still ongoing, has already blossomed into a comprehensive boundary
       Mar 25, 2004 @ 15:30 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
13763. Re: tp mouse finally roars for fair eez tps at auidtle & auidtlw
       crunch time for the tp mouse http://tinyurl.com/32rcz you aint heard nothin yet ... http://www.iso.org/iso/en/prods-services/iso3166ma/02iso-3166
       Mar 25, 2004 @ 16:01 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13764. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Spain Portugal divided lamppost/flagpole
       Do border freaks count?
       Mar 25, 2004 @ 17:42 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
13765. Taiwan Mum as China & Japan Contest a CNJPTW Dispute
       http://tinyurl.com/2qvnc Of course there is no tripoint here, and there are far grander multi-country squabbles -- possibly involving up to 6 countries, I
       Mar 25, 2004 @ 19:01 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
13766. Meanwhile -- over at RUUK...
       NEW island surfaced in disputed border area with Ukraine ITAR-TASS - Moscow,Russia Every morning a Ukrainian border guard patrol scrutinises the island to make
       Mar 25, 2004 @ 20:32 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
13767. senkaku or diaoyu
       Hi! Who has sovereignty over the Senkaku Islands aka : Diaoyutai
       Mar 25, 2004 @ 19:58 - raedwulf16 ("raedwulf16" <raedwulf16@...>)
13768. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Spain Portugal divided lamppost/flagpole
       Interesting point here. We have seen many times though where one country has paved or painted over their border into the other country. I have seen several
       Mar 25, 2004 @ 22:30 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13769. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ATHUSK/CZPLSK/ATCZSK border maps
       I just want to apologize for making such a post and not verifying before pressing send. Mike is offcourse right. Picture 5, is still not showing any border as
       Mar 25, 2004 @ 22:41 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13770. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ATHUSK/CZPLSK/ATCZSK border maps
       Enclosed picture taking from creek junction/tp proposed spot looking east along PLSK. Jesper ... From: m06079 To:
       Mar 25, 2004 @ 22:57 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
13771. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ATHUSK/CZPLSK/ATCZSK border maps
       I remember in the area there were some direct markers and some indirect markers of the same style (white with red hat). ...
       Mar 25, 2004 @ 22:33 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13772. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ATHUSK/CZPLSK/ATCZSK border maps
       Was there ice cream in the hat? ...
       Mar 25, 2004 @ 23:25 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
13773. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ATHUSK/CZPLSK/ATCZSK border maps
       Here is my sketch from the GEEBE. The x s mark the border. The 3 squares are direct CZ-PL markers. CZ-PL goes through a tiny little creek (creek not depicted
       Mar 25, 2004 @ 23:30 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@yahoo.com>)
13774. Re: ATHUSK/CZPLSK/ATCZSK border maps
       thanx mike now what i still dont understand is how jesper & you or rolf or anyone else decided where to place their particular version of the tripoint it seems
       Mar 26, 2004 @ 00:23 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13775. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ATHUSK/CZPLSK/ATCZSK border maps
       Do the boundary agreements specify one or both of the streams as the boundaries, or do the lines just happen to meet in a stream bed? Lowell G. McManus
       Mar 26, 2004 @ 00:35 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13776. Re: ATHUSK/CZPLSK/ATCZSK border maps
       i dont believe we absolutely know yet if indeed either of these propositions is true but i may have missed something ... streams as the boundaries, ... border
       Mar 26, 2004 @ 00:42 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13777. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ATHUSK/CZPLSK/ATCZSK border maps
       Heh - nice pic. But I think it is good to show just how deep that little gorge was - just how steep the sides of the walls are. Yahoo is taking forever to
       Mar 26, 2004 @ 03:19 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13778. Re: senkaku or diaoyu
       ... sovereignty is still claimed by all 3 china & japan & taiwan http://www-ibru.dur.ac.uk/docs/senkaku.html as for who actually has sovereignty tho i suppose
       Mar 25, 2004 @ 22:08 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13779. Re: ATHUSK/CZPLSK/ATCZSK border maps
       Jesper - I agree - I think you have the situation correct regarding picture 5. Witness marker on the SK side. ... before ... monument
       Mar 26, 2004 @ 03:58 - Michael Kaufman ("Michael Kaufman" <mikekaufman79@...>)
13780. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ATHUSK/CZPLSK/ATCZSK border maps
       You guys really managed to confuse me for a couple of days, but Mike s sketch helped me revisualise the scene and yes, my pic #5 therefore cannot be the PlSk
       Mar 26, 2004 @ 05:49 - Rolf Palmberg (Rolf Palmberg <rpalmber@...>)
13781. Re: ATHUSK/CZPLSK/ATCZSK border maps
       thats ok rolf your version may still be correct & i still dont think we can be sure of much yet even with the maps indeed if anybody is sure of anything at all
       Mar 26, 2004 @ 07:35 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13782. Re: ATHUSK/CZPLSK/ATCZSK border maps
       True, but I found out that the Czech website was altered after Pepijn made this translation, so he can t be blamed (check the old text on
       Mar 26, 2004 @ 12:16 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13783. Re: ATHUSK/CZPLSK/ATCZSK border maps
       ok thanx & wonderful to see the progressive ideas & tries of a fellow seeker too & i do assume these new improved data are indeed at least more nearly correct
       Mar 26, 2004 @ 14:42 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13784. Re: ATHUSK/CZPLSK/ATCZSK border maps
       also the texts of the agreements are evidently available online for any further corroboration anyone might want please i mean if anyone wants to just check
       Mar 26, 2004 @ 14:51 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13785. CADK Boundary Dispute
       This was posed on the National Post (a national Canadian paper) website: Tiny icy island is ours, determined Danes say Denmark s ambassador to Canada said he
       Mar 26, 2004 @ 15:26 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
13786. Re: ATHUSK/CZPLSK/ATCZSK border maps
       The CZSK boundary agreement is at http://www.podnikame.cz/zakony9597/index.php3?co=Z1997246 , but what we need is the protocol, mentioned in this agreement,
       Mar 26, 2004 @ 16:54 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13787. Re: ATHUSK/CZPLSK/ATCZSK border maps
       which may mean the true road to the true czplsk now loops back thru bratislava or at least thru a phonebooth perhaps to pursue the sources of the slovakian
       Mar 26, 2004 @ 18:05 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13788. rhode island crows claim of halting connecticutie invasion
       http://www.abc6.com/article.php?ID=4836 the true ctmari etc never really was in much doubt tho
       Mar 26, 2004 @ 18:30 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13789. Czech stones of all kinds
       4th picture at http://jove.free.prohosting.com/nemec/luzicke.shtml is a tripoint stone, by the looks of it on CZDE. Near the Elbe river I think. Can anyone
       Mar 26, 2004 @ 18:58 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13790. Re: Czech stones of all kinds
       ATCZDE now and then: http://www.stara-sumava.cz/trojmezensko/vad/vad01.htm Peter S. ... is ... old ... confirm
       Mar 26, 2004 @ 19:08 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13791. Re: Czech stones of all kinds
       why the makeover what is the shape of the top face is it a single curvy surface or a composite of flat surfaces or if neither then what kind of an arrangement
       Mar 26, 2004 @ 21:11 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13792. CADK Border Dispute -- National Post Scans
       Here are the scans from the Friday, March 26 issue of the National Post... Cheers! Doug Perhaps the Danes and Canadians can settle this issue over a pint of
       Mar 27, 2004 @ 06:44 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
13793. Re: ATHUSK/CZPLSK/ATCZSK border maps
       yes i agree but given the difficulty of exact measurement on steep terrain anyway my guess is we can already find the truest available czplsk by just
       Mar 27, 2004 @ 16:41 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13794. Canada Gets Uppity!
       Look what the Danes have unleased! Squadrons of Canucks patrolling the north and yelling This is our snow, back off! http://tinyurl.com/2ao8z Happy weekend,
       Mar 27, 2004 @ 16:44 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
13795. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Canada Gets Uppity!
       That should be unleashed ... apparently my spell-check has the weekend off.
       Mar 27, 2004 @ 16:46 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
13796. Re: Canada Gets Uppity!
       just snow blindness comes with the hubris of claiming the north pole ... the weekend ... Canucks patrolling
       Mar 27, 2004 @ 17:34 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13797. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Czech stones of all kinds
       ... Well, pic 3 were made from CZ-site the border crossing Hrensko, river is the Elbe, over there the river Elbe you can see the German village Schöna
       Mar 27, 2004 @ 22:06 - udomet@gmx.de (udomet@...)
13798. first myth border monument found
       http://www.malaysiagis.com/gis_in_malaysia/news/news_article44.cfm but is it truly the oldest myth marker or merely the first one we have found a photo of
       Mar 28, 2004 @ 01:35 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
13799. IE-UK Republic Smokers forced to Northern Ireland
       The Irish Republic (home of my people!) is about to institute a major smoking ban in all public places including... PUBS! For those in the one town, a puff in
       Mar 28, 2004 @ 08:23 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
13800. Re: IE-UK Republic Smokers forced to Northern Ireland
       I especially like the quote about sitting down for your first pint ... (underscore first ). Yep, they re my people all right! Bill ... major ... be ... I
       Mar 28, 2004 @ 12:29 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <wjhanrahan@...>)
13801. Re: first myth border monument found
       in morning light it turns out this golok or myth river is aka kolok & should be added to the short list of ambidirectional rivers in
       Mar 28, 2004 @ 15:29 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13802. Two suggestions for a better forum
       Hello All. I m pretty much a lurker here - I post only very occasionally. Because BP isn t my main focus, I ve elected to receive the list s messages via a
       Mar 28, 2004 @ 17:09 - Dave Patton [DCP] ("Dave Patton [DCP]" <dpatton@...>)
13803. New island surfaced in disputed border area with Ukraine
       http://www.itar-tass.com/eng/level2.html?NewsID=607858&PageNum=0 http://www.itar-tass.com/eng/level2.html?NewsID=612078&PageNum=0
       Mar 28, 2004 @ 18:02 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@...>)
13804. Re: Two suggestions for a better forum
       ... hi & thanx i do & shall & glad to hear from you again & would like to second your second suggestion here below first as it is an excellent idea in its own
       Mar 28, 2004 @ 18:57 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13805. Re: Two suggestions for a better forum
       ok & shortening up as much as possible now again since i agree this is really important ... first ... any ... & imo this vitally important fact really should
       Mar 28, 2004 @ 19:15 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13806. Re: Czech stones of all kinds
       ... http://jove.free.prohosting.com/nemec/luzicke.shtml is ... I ... river is ... (border ... hiking), ... Bahnhof ... german town ... border ... were made in
       Mar 28, 2004 @ 20:19 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13807. caus declared neglected & ibc tiny & overwhelmed
       http://www.boston.com/dailynews/088/region/Report_Tiny_agency_falling_beh:.shtml _________________________________________________________________ Find a
       Mar 28, 2004 @ 20:31 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
13808. New Subject - Gwadur
       I found a recent philatelic reference to Gwadur - and it s having been purchased by Pakistan in 1958. THe reason it is of interest, is that it was one of
       Mar 28, 2004 @ 23:54 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
13809. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New Subject - Gwadur
       Gwadur is a port in southwestern Pakistan. It was a coastal enclave belonging to the Sultan of Muscat between 1797 and 1958, when it was offered for sale. The
       Mar 29, 2004 @ 00:22 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13810. CA-US Boundary Maintenance Problems
       Report: Tiny agency falling behind on border maintenance By David Sharp, Associated Press, 3/28/2004 12:30 PORTLAND, Maine (AP) A tiny agency responsible for
       Mar 29, 2004 @ 03:27 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
13811. Re: first myth border monument found
       Strange - I thought Internet URLs were case INsensitive. The link to 2315 does not work for me. However when I capitalize the b and p in boundarypoint and
       Mar 29, 2004 @ 03:36 - Michael Kaufman ("Michael Kaufman" <mikekaufman79@...>)
13812. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: first myth border monument found
       Internet URL s are case-insensitive through the end of the domain name. Beyond that, the folder and file names are case-sensitive if the site is hosted on a
       Mar 29, 2004 @ 03:53 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13813. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: first myth border monument found
       Ah ha. Ok that makes sense now. Thanks. Mike ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time.
       Mar 29, 2004 @ 04:04 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13814. Re: New Subject - Gwadur
       gwadur tasks a tru dawg http://members.blackplanet.com/Tru-Dawg ... enclave belonging ... offered for sale. ... from the UK, ... having been ... is that ...
       Mar 29, 2004 @ 04:09 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13815. Re: first myth border monument found
       aha & thanx from me too & which reminds me that the mentioned aa river of france is not unique as are all the others in this list but is actually one of
       Mar 29, 2004 @ 04:30 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13816. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New Subject - Gwadur
       hi len, can it be, that you are talking about gwadar? http://www.home.pages.at/maxifant/Frames/gwadar.htm regards, chris ... From: L. A. Nadybal To:
       Mar 29, 2004 @ 11:54 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
13817. oz timor gas squeeze a done deal but for the roaring
       http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/03/29/1080412293754.html _________________________________________________________________ Get reliable access on MSN 9
       Mar 29, 2004 @ 12:39 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
13818. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New Subject - Gwadur
       That s the same place. It s spelled both ways. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: chris schulz To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent:
       Mar 29, 2004 @ 13:31 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13819. Re: Gorizia, Italy - Nova Gorica, Slovenia
       ... ... And below an interesting article: http://washingtontimes.com/world/20040327-104712-1476r.htm
       Mar 29, 2004 @ 13:45 - Artur Kroc ("Artur Kroc" <kroc@...>)
13820. Re: New Subject - Gwadur
       Well, we are talking here about http://www.home.pages.at/maxifant/Frames/gwadar.htm - Gwadar, Gwadur, Guadar - it s all the same actually in different
       Mar 29, 2004 @ 14:35 - Joachim Duester ("Joachim Duester" <jduester@...>)
13821. Re: Gorizia, Italy - Nova Gorica, Slovenia
       wow so will this residual itsi boreder check on the itsi peoples til 2007 be fairly typical among the eu25 countries or will it be fairly exceptional yikes i
       Mar 29, 2004 @ 15:47 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13822. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: New Subject - Gwadur
       What I posted came from http://www.dawn.com/2001/01/22/ebr5.htm , a feature on Gwadur in DAWN, the leading English-language newspaper in Pakistan. Different
       Mar 29, 2004 @ 16:12 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13823. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gorizia, Italy - Nova Gorica, Slovenia
       ... Only the EU countries in the Schengen Agreement do not have border controls between each other. This currently only excludes the UK and Ireland (although
       Mar 29, 2004 @ 16:32 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
13824. Re: Gorizia, Italy - Nova Gorica, Slovenia
       thanx kevin so i can now refine my questions as follows tho i realize they are still rather large & complicated which tricountry points of europe are already
       Mar 29, 2004 @ 19:14 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13825. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Gorizia, Italy - Nova Gorica, Slovenia
       Mike, ... I ll leave it to the cataloguers to give you the definitive list of tripoints, but the Schengen countries will for now remain Austria, Belgium,
       Mar 29, 2004 @ 20:55 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
13826. Re: Gorizia, Italy - Nova Gorica, Slovenia
       ... Austria, Belgium, ... Luxembourg, ... Sweden. ... date has ... ok but no matter because even so it appears there are already 23 tricountry points situated
       Mar 30, 2004 @ 01:37 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13827. Re: New Subject - Gwadur
       Yep, that s obviously it. Thanks for the link. Now I see that there was a overseas Pakistan post office inside the exclave of Oman before it lost its
       Mar 30, 2004 @ 01:57 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
13828. Re: rhode island crows claim of halting connecticutie invasion
       ... but when word of the halt finally reaches connecticut some minor reductions in the area of the smallest state are indeed still being contemplated there
       Mar 30, 2004 @ 03:20 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13829. Re: New Subject - Gwadur / Gwadar / Gawadur
       Thanks a lot for providing the link for that interesting article in DAWN about Gwadur - a place that Pakistan wanted so badly and apparently neglegted so much
       Mar 30, 2004 @ 06:13 - Joachim Duester ("Joachim Duester" <jduester@...>)
13830. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: New Subject - Gwadur / Gwadar / Gawadur
       http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/july27/fp2.asp some information about actual development around gwadur regards, chris ... From: Joachim Duester To:
       Mar 30, 2004 @ 07:09 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
13831. gwadar
       The Omanis owned the peninsula, but the boundary between British Baluchistan and Omani Gwadar was never defined, as it s all desert inland. The Sultan did not
       Mar 30, 2004 @ 07:24 - bwhyte@unimelb.edu.au (bwhyte@...)
13832. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gorizia, Italy - Nova Gorica, Slovenia
       ... With difficulty... hence all the complaints from the countries with, how shall we say, less enlightened attitudes ;-) In theory, Schengen countries can
       Mar 30, 2004 @ 14:01 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
13833. Re: gwadar
       ... British Baluchistan and Omani Gwadar was never defined, as it s all desert inland. ... etc as suggested on this list... rather he had to be persuaded to. I
       Mar 30, 2004 @ 16:19 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13834. CADK - Hans Ø Dispute
       More in today s National Post: http://tinyurl.com/37gng Is there any coverage of this issue in the Danish press? Cheers! Doug
       Mar 30, 2004 @ 17:05 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
13835. gwadar gaff
       many apologies for accidentally including an entire digest in my post! It will not happen again. Brendan
       Mar 30, 2004 @ 23:09 - bwhyte@unimelb.edu.au (bwhyte@...)
13836. RE: Two suggestions for a better forum
       I wholeheartedly endorse Dave s plea for BP members to delete unnecessary text from previous messages from their postings (BP 13802). Far from assisting the
       Mar 31, 2004 @ 08:27 - Martin Pratt ("Martin Pratt" <m.a.pratt@...>)
13837. Re: Two suggestions for a better forum
       dear martin ... ok i do & shall but especially in responding to you since i know you do prefer it indeed it is the least i could do ... except the ... wish to
       Mar 31, 2004 @ 14:43 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13838. Re: CADK - Hans Ø Dispute
       ... WELL....! No, not really...this issue seems to be more of enter- tainment character than of any real political value...! :-)) WHO cares...? One island more
       Mar 31, 2004 @ 15:28 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
13839. Re: CADK - Hans Ø Dispute
       http://www.berlingske.dk/indland/artikel:aid=424670/ Translation I will leave to the pros (the professional Danes that is). Peter S.
       Mar 31, 2004 @ 15:40 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13840. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CADK - Hans Ø Dispute
       Peter: I shall join you for a pint in CPH this summer -- and we shall solve this dispute ourselves. You take half, and I ll take half. And we ll form our own
       Mar 31, 2004 @ 18:20 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
13841. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CADK - Hans Ø Dispute
       There is more on the dispute in the national papers. Most of the coverage is in the National Post, which has a decidedly Liberal bent. The online contents
       Mar 31, 2004 @ 18:10 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
13842. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re:_CADK_-_Hans_Ø_Dispute
       ... Just for the records: I do not share this meek, indeed traitorous, attitude of my fellow Scandinavian towards the vile Canadians. If the conflict over this
       Mar 31, 2004 @ 18:24 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
13843. connecticut confirms her eastward advance has been halted
       but it appears little rhody could still shrink slightly in places where 13 old rocks have been lost
       Mar 31, 2004 @ 21:02 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
13844. Re: CADK - Hans Ø Dispute
       this is already such a beautiful montage i wish the clippophiles will overlook my replaying it almost entire as the stackophiles rejoice in my topping it off
       Mar 31, 2004 @ 23:43 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13845. Re: gwadar gaff
       ... Could the organizer(s) of this mailing list please impose a limit (e.g., 5 or 10 kBytes) on the size of message that can be posted to the list? This will
       Apr 01, 2004 @ 00:29 - Ross Finlayson (Ross Finlayson <finlayson@...>)
13846. Re: [BoundaryPoint] RE: Two suggestions for a better forum
       I think I have seen Mike use cap and punc several times here - as a matter of fact I think we all have! ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?
       Apr 01, 2004 @ 01:59 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13847. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CADK - Hans Ø Dispute
       ... The only map that I have that shows Hans Island is Microsoft STREETS & TRIPS, which contains the notice This data includes information taken with
       Apr 01, 2004 @ 02:49 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13848. Re: gwadar gaff
       Yahoo s software doesn t include a setting for message sizes. The only option would be to switch to a moderated list, which I really don t want to do. Bill
       Apr 01, 2004 @ 04:46 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <wjhanrahan@...>)
13849. Re: rhode island crows claim of halting connecticutie invasion
       http://www.thewesterlysun.com/articles/2004/03/31/news/news4.txt
       Apr 01, 2004 @ 09:15 - Artur Kroc ("Artur Kroc" <kroc@...>)
13850. Re: Czech stones of all kinds
       One of Czech stone markers is seen below: http://www.trojmezi.cz/obrazky/17/0/1/1/C115/opona1.jpg You can see czech lion and date: 1765. On another picture:
       Apr 01, 2004 @ 13:29 - Artur Kroc ("Artur Kroc" <kroc@...>)
13851. atczde was Re: Czech stones of all kinds
       artur thanxxxx very much both for the triple view which i think does pretty much resolve everything important here & also for the dog pic taken from slightly
       Apr 01, 2004 @ 15:37 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13852. Re: Czech stones of all kinds
       ... I visited 2001-2003 often the border CZ-D (Bavaria and Saxony) and made many pics and films. First since 1920 CZ and Ö to set borderstones in agreement
       Apr 01, 2004 @ 17:24 - udomet@gmx.de (udomet@...)
13853. A Page From allAfrica.com
       ... SENDPAGE SERVICE -- ALLAFRICA.COM The following page link has been sent to you by one of our readers. AllAfrica offers this facility as a service to our
       Apr 01, 2004 @ 17:42 - moc.il@li.com (moc.il@...)
13854. Re: connecticut confirms her eastward advance has been halted
       rhode island announces the 1930s disk markers will indeed again be ignored http://tinyurl.com/2z8t8 & if this is confirmed by connecticut as expected then
       Apr 01, 2004 @ 19:26 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13855. Re: CADK - Hans Ø Dispute
       thanx & which allows me to complete my puzzle as follows assuming hans island has just appeared from nowhere which btw it really seems to have done since cadk
       Apr 01, 2004 @ 21:51 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13856. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re:_CADK_-_Hans_Ø_Dispute
       Canada gov t map showing border going to North Pole. NWT-Nunavut boundary also goes to pole. But the map shows the Canadian borders going beyond its own EEZ.
       Apr 01, 2004 @ 22:32 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13857. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Czech stones of all kinds
       The picture in http://platon.cbvk.cz/kniha/priloha/sonnl.php is actually also ATCZDE. B for Bayern. Not seen is CS on Czech side. -Mike ...
       Apr 01, 2004 @ 23:18 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13858. Re: Czech stones of all kinds
       i dont understand how there can be 2 atczde rocks at once or are you indicating something else by this ...
       Apr 02, 2004 @ 00:58 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13859. Re:_CADK_-_Hans_Ø_Dispute
       ... extracts from nicholsons 1979 canadian border bible senator pascal poirier speaking in the canadian senate on 20 feb 1907 moved that the time had come for
       Apr 02, 2004 @ 01:03 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13860. Re: Czech stones of all kinds
       Something else - not at once; one was after the other. The current stone for ATCZDE is very new (put up in 1993). This is the stone pictured in these two
       Apr 02, 2004 @ 03:27 - Michael Kaufman ("Michael Kaufman" <mikekaufman79@...>)
13861. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re:_CADK_-_Hans_Ø_Disp ute
       To me, these Canadian pie slices running to the North Pole are as bogus as the Polynesian polygons shown on some maps. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana,
       Apr 02, 2004 @ 04:40 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13862. Re: Czech stones of all kinds -->ATCZDE
       You can see the 1993 date clearly here: http://www.pf.jcu.cz/others/okoli/prir/trojmez.htm (from BP message 1796) Also, Tripoint drunks, incl. ATCZDE (the
       Apr 02, 2004 @ 04:53 - Michael Kaufman ("Michael Kaufman" <mikekaufman79@...>)
13863. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re:_CADK_-_Hans_Ø _Dispute
       I think it s great the North Pole is in Canada! Nyah! Nyah! Hands of Hans!! ;)
       Apr 02, 2004 @ 05:43 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
13864. atcsde & atczde were Re: Czech stones of all kinds
       nice thanx & i would add not pointedly but generally that just because someone does use caps & spots doesnt necessarily guarantee their writings are
       Apr 02, 2004 @ 15:13 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13865. Re:_CADK_-_Hans_Ø_Dispute
       ... whaddayamean hands of hans hans of our freakin boogers i should say ... hook & curtain
       Apr 02, 2004 @ 15:35 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13866. Re: Czech stones - Tp ATCZDE
       Concerning this tripoint: Mike K. is right, in 1993 a new, larger monument was placed here... AND, your European tripoint ambassador PH plans to visit this tp
       Apr 02, 2004 @ 16:35 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
13867. News from Atimes Online
       cnin tripoint 6pack talks impact inpk kashmir etc good red herring From : moc.il@li.com Read This News ::
       Apr 02, 2004 @ 16:45 - moc.il@li.com (<moc.il@...>)
13868. excellent red herring
       how cnin tripoint 6pack talks have led to inpk kashmir etc etc http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/FD03Df04.html
       Apr 02, 2004 @ 17:06 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13869. Hans Ø dispute article in Danish paper today!!
       Dear BPs... I guess we re all curious about how this conflict develops....I suggest Doug M. and Peter H. should be given the authority to settle this matter in
       Apr 02, 2004 @ 17:01 - Peter Hering (Peter Hering <hering@...>)
13870. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Czech stones of all kinds
       Well, you are making some interesting statements. Some of them need more elucidation, some of them need correction. Czechoslovakia, as a independent state did
       Apr 02, 2004 @ 17:41 - Petter Brabec (=?iso-8859-1?q?Petter=20Brabec?= <pete2784west@...>)
13871. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Czech stones of all kinds -->ATCZDE
       ... Dreisessel/Tristolicnik isnt the TP AT-CZ-DE. Dreisessel/Tristolicnik-Nove udoli/Neuthal is the border crossing Nr. 41 (only pedestrian) between DE an CZ.
       Apr 02, 2004 @ 18:27 - udo metz ("udo metz" <udomet@...>)
13872. Re: Czech stones of all kinds -->ATCZDE
       I have seen this funny picture a couple of times now, and the rhyme going with it. I think it s hilarious. But I do think that the spot depicted is ATCZDE
       Apr 02, 2004 @ 20:37 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13873. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Czech stones of all kinds -->ATCZDE
       Sorry, is the border crossing Nr. 43 -- +++ NEU bei GMX und erstmalig in Deutschland: TÜV-geprüfter Virenschutz +++ 100% Virenerkennung nach Wildlist. Infos:
       Apr 02, 2004 @ 19:43 - udomet@gmx.de (udomet@...)
13874. Re: Czech stones of all kinds -->ATCZDE
       ... rhyme ... with ... is an ... mountain ... See ... around ... BorderPointEmail ... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/6282 ... armchairs)??
       Apr 03, 2004 @ 01:45 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13875. Re: Czech stones of all kinds
       Yes, except of course CS on the atcsde stone. Unless someone tried to get rid of the S for a short period of time until the new marker was erected. (If the
       Apr 03, 2004 @ 01:37 - Michael Kaufman ("Michael Kaufman" <mikekaufman79@...>)
13876. Re: Czech stones of all kinds
       Yes, except of course CS on the atcsde stone. Unless someone tried to get rid of the S for a short period of time until the new marker was erected. (If the
       Apr 03, 2004 @ 01:36 - Michael Kaufman ("Michael Kaufman" <mikekaufman79@...>)
13877. Re: Czech stones of all kinds
       Why this message came through Times two I have no clue Very strange from Yahoo! ... it ... need ... border ... just ... territorial ... very ... that ... of
       Apr 03, 2004 @ 03:20 - Michael Kaufman ("Michael Kaufman" <mikekaufman79@...>)
13878. Gwadur / Gwadar / Gawadur - an Joachim - Postal Records
       I d appreciate knowing more about the postal arrangements, if you could research that - for instance: a. what currency was used in Gwadur and what in
       Apr 03, 2004 @ 03:35 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
13879. timorous tp mousecot silent all week
       fresh roar by proxy only & not for the timid reader http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_6119.shtml but could this have been the source of the
       Apr 03, 2004 @ 06:29 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13880. Re: Gwadur / Gwadar / Gawadur - an Joachim - Postal Records
       also what colors & breeds are the dawg & how many fleas did it have or any other help anyone can be also if it is not too much of a lurch approx or exactly
       Apr 03, 2004 @ 08:43 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13881. Re: connecticut confirms her eastward advance has been halted
       bonus laff du jour with iva crider lionized again in all news fit to blare http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/03/nyregion/03border.html ... even ... anyway ... 0
       Apr 03, 2004 @ 16:53 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13882. Re: Two suggestions for a better forum
       Thank you all for all these truly beautiful offerings. I have been greatly enjoying my new memberships to both your boundary groups, as well as reviewing both
       Apr 03, 2004 @ 18:39 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
13883. Doug and Borders on the radio again!
       I was interviewed and told the story of nearly being arrested on BYPL. That story, and other border stories will air tonight, Saturday April 3 on CBC Radio 2
       Apr 03, 2004 @ 20:29 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
13884. Re: Two suggestions for a better forum
       thank you goddess for this vote of confidence & i dont think it possible to actually make the whole world or even anyone at all do anything since we are all
       Apr 03, 2004 @ 23:28 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13885. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Two suggestions for a better forum
       Stopping and laughing in multiple at the TRUTH and BEAUTY of it all!!! ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web
       Apr 03, 2004 @ 23:40 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13886. 04:04:04 04/04/04
       04:04:04 A.M. EDT, 04/04/04 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway
       Apr 04, 2004 @ 08:04 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13887. Re: 04:04:04 04/04/04
       Clicked a few seconds late, but Yahoo seems to be 4-5 seconds behind anyway. ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K
       Apr 04, 2004 @ 08:08 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13888. Re: 04:04:04 04/04/04
       is that it or are we still waiting for the 4th shoe to drop
       Apr 04, 2004 @ 14:17 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13889. Re: Gwadur / Gwadar / Gawadur - an Joachim - Postal Records
       very funny
       Apr 04, 2004 @ 15:50 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
13890. renewed european djeret try looping back thru asmara & ababa
       http://www.biddho.com/portal/article4380.html innovative approach with irish luck leveraged by dutch doubling
       Apr 04, 2004 @ 17:26 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13891. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Czech stones of all kinds
       U tri panu On the road crossing is situated a triangle stone marker, where in 1680 borders of three countries met. Initilas mean owners of these countries.
       Apr 04, 2004 @ 20:17 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@...>)
13892. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Czech stones of all kinds
       Which countries are which? ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway
       Apr 04, 2004 @ 20:39 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13893. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: 04:04:04 04/04/04
       Ask the PL border guard near BYPL! ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway
       Apr 04, 2004 @ 21:04 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13894. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Czech stones of all kinds
       You are correct. I ve been reffering to the stones set up between 1920-22. Also improtant to mention, where it has not been necessary to set up a new stone,
       Apr 04, 2004 @ 21:05 - Petter Brabec (=?iso-8859-1?q?Petter=20Brabec?= <pete2784west@...>)
13895. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Czech stones of all kinds
       Tripoint of former times, but only on landowners level, situated some 4 km south of the Czech-German border. Such stones, I believe, are to be found in the
       Apr 04, 2004 @ 21:13 - Petter Brabec (=?iso-8859-1?q?Petter=20Brabec?= <pete2784west@...>)
13896. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Czech stones of all kinds
       I think it s interesting to see o many of these stone still are around. And new borders carved into old stones. We saw one at the very beginning of this
       Apr 04, 2004 @ 21:19 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
13897. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Czech stones of all kinds
       I m answering you about the last reference to the ATCZDE area. What a nice sequence of pics ! The first picture from 1910 is from the time of Austrian empire.
       Apr 04, 2004 @ 21:50 - Petter Brabec (=?iso-8859-1?q?Petter=20Brabec?= <pete2784west@...>)
13898. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re:_CADK_-_Hans_Ø _Dispute
       Vile? We re *so* misunderstood. ;) Hands off Hans! Doug ...
       Apr 05, 2004 @ 01:55 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
13899. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 04:04:04 04/04/04
       Would you call the timing on this a fourgone conclusion ? ... From: Michael Kaufman To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 4:04 AM
       Apr 05, 2004 @ 02:12 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
13900. Re: Czech stones of all kinds
       http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/1780 for a link to the German text. Peter S. ... 1680 borders of three countries met. Initilas mean
       Apr 05, 2004 @ 08:11 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13901. CEBT - next Europ. border expedition in August!
       To all BP members: this is a notification that a new file has been added to the file section of BP: The CEBT (Central European Border Trip) will take place
       Apr 05, 2004 @ 08:41 - Peter Hering (Peter Hering <hering@...>)
13902. Re: [BoundaryPoint] german road between D and CZ about PL
       The map of the new german road between D an CZ about PL near TP CZ/D/PL. http://www.mdr.de/nachrichten/sachsen/1307991.html
       Apr 05, 2004 @ 17:00 - udomet@gmx.de (udomet@...)
13903. Dreiländereck CZ/D/PL
       Guten Abend Harry, Guten Abend Eberhard, der Link hat nichts mit Grenzsteinen zu tun, es handelt sich aber um eine neue Straße die von D über PL nach CZ
       Apr 05, 2004 @ 18:59 - udomet@gmx.de (udomet@...)
13904. brilliant irish dutch luck doubling strategy revealed
       tricky european shortcut to djeret is evidently the brainchild of the dutch cooperation minister & the brawnchild of the irish foreign minister
       Apr 05, 2004 @ 17:27 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13905. canada.com Story
       Dear boundarypoint@egroups.com, Your friend moc.il@li.com thought you might be interested in this canada.com story: Messiness of border sparks security fears
       Apr 05, 2004 @ 17:38 - moc.il@li.com (moc.il@...)
13906. Re: 04:04:04 04/04/04
       yes fourgone as well as ever so nearly foursquare by my own standards of kibitzing no question the first shot was a dead ringer or maybe even 3 dead ringers &
       Apr 05, 2004 @ 22:03 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13907. Re: Gwadur / Gwadar / Gawadur - an Joachim - Postal Records
       thanx len me too a n d postal coding is all i deconnote yet on no cedilla sign i do clatsop
       Apr 05, 2004 @ 22:46 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13908. Re: CEBT - next Europ. border expedition in August!
       ahh pete i just got to a computer where i could finally read this doc beauuuuutiful & your 40404 must be the missing 4th horseshoe ringer too also i missed
       Apr 05, 2004 @ 23:22 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13909. land use in Baarle
       I have obtained a copy of map H from the 1842 Belgium-Netherlands boundary treaty, which shows a small rectification of the main boundary between Castelre and
       Apr 05, 2004 @ 23:23 - bwhyte@unimelb.edu.au (bwhyte@...)
13910. Re: brilliant irish dutch luck doubling strategy revealed
       some additional poignant as well as corroborative details http://www.biddho.com/portal/article4388.html this is beginning to look like a real breakthru can
       Apr 05, 2004 @ 23:32 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13911. Re: land use in Baarle
       yes a grove of cabbage trees or broccolis in dutch or perhaps brussels sprouts in belgian ... Belgium-Netherlands boundary treaty, which shows a small
       Apr 06, 2004 @ 00:58 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13912. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CEBT - next Europ. border expedition in August!
       My appearance on CBC Radio was no more than me recalling the incident when we ventured from Poland into Belarus without permission. The incident in question:
       Apr 06, 2004 @ 01:46 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
13913. Re: CEBT - next Europ. border expedition in August!
       ... the incident ... permission. well it may only have been one small step for us beepers but it was still a giant step for everyones land let me explain below
       Apr 06, 2004 @ 03:54 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13914. Re: land use in Baarle
       Probably chene , not cheue . Peter S. ... boundary treaty, which shows a small rectification of the main boundary between Castelre and Wortel (Baarle-Nassau
       Apr 06, 2004 @ 07:05 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13915. Re: brilliant irish dutch luck doubling strategy revealed
       & from china yet comes confirmation ababa has learned asmara may not find axworthy worth axing after all & of the imminent arrival of europe in ababa with her
       Apr 06, 2004 @ 03:01 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13916. Baarle's oak trees
       Yes, it must be chene, so bois de chene = oak woods/forest. Though rechecking the original map, it is most definitely a u and not an n, comparing it with other
       Apr 06, 2004 @ 23:34 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
13917. eritrea will talk to axworthy but not about border ruling
       http://www.voanews.com/article.cfm?objectID=AA5F3E33-6F9B-48EE-AAF350AF0C358099 _________________________________________________________________ Free up your
       Apr 07, 2004 @ 00:33 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
13918. euros already flowing for djeret & eretsd tries
       new irish chump change is graciously accepted in asmara & ababa http://www.politics.ie/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=4373 but the designated
       Apr 07, 2004 @ 14:24 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13919. vatican tidbit
       did you know that although the Holy See(Vatican City State) is a sovereign entity apart from Italy,those world famous columns out front are partly in Rome!!?
       Apr 07, 2004 @ 19:26 - raedwulf16 ("raedwulf16" <raedwulf16@...>)
13920. New Iron Curtain
       Get ready for a steady stream of reports on the New Iron Curtain... coming to a country near you May 1. Here s an article from The Moscow Times. Note the
       Apr 08, 2004 @ 01:19 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
13921. Re: vatican tidbit
       ... http://www.globalgeografia.com/europa/index_scv.htm ff. The columns: http://www.globalgeografia.com/europa/vaticano/fig03a.jpg and
       Apr 08, 2004 @ 10:18 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13922. Re: euros already flowing for djeret & eretsd tries
       bbc confirms asmara will host axworthy as lubricator & expediter with bonus ibru map as europe & ababa are silent a third day
       Apr 08, 2004 @ 16:31 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13923. vatican
       here is some more about the extra territorial passessions of the vatican. the second url contains the list. Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 11:15:25 +0200 To:
       Apr 08, 2004 @ 18:51 - raedwulf16 ("raedwulf16" <raedwulf16@...>)
13924. Re: Strange section chit border
       oops the new pix in todays message 13921 show the itva border itself following the straight outer edges of the column bases rather than the general arc of the
       Apr 08, 2004 @ 21:26 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13925. Re: vatican tidbit
       ... Not in the middle of the colonnade; it s just that those columns that stick out are in Italy. See http://www.globalgeografia.com/europa/index_scv.htm ff.
       Apr 08, 2004 @ 11:52 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13926. vatican columns
       Molte grazie,Peter S. for your prompt and exhaustive reply to my query! I am deeply in your debt for both the professional info and for the opportunity to read
       Apr 08, 2004 @ 18:43 - raedwulf16 ("raedwulf16" <raedwulf16@...>)
13927. GBBE
       My article on the GBBE was published today. It is not meant to be a serious article on boundaries, rather, a goofy story about our trip. I hope you like it!
       Apr 09, 2004 @ 02:50 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
13928. Re: vatican tidbit
       ... wrote: Also can anyone provide me ... For a map and names (except for the transmitting station which is missing) and the separate pieces at Castelgondolfo,
       Apr 09, 2004 @ 03:09 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
13929. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: vatican tidbit
       Whoa! Have they changed the boundary??? I have the 1981 National Geographic Atlas of the World that has almost the same map as the 1996 version that you have
       Apr 09, 2004 @ 04:00 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13930. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Strange section chit border
       If you re looking for a nonstraight linear manmade feature delineating a border, I think a good example would be the artificially relocated and channelized
       Apr 08, 2004 @ 23:09 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13931. Re: [BoundaryPoint] GBBE
       Great story, Doug! I think you should join Lonely Planet s excellent bunch of travel writers! Rolf
       Apr 09, 2004 @ 08:17 - Rolf Palmberg (Rolf Palmberg <rpalmber@...>)
13932. Even more Czech stones
       http://smircikrize.euweb.cz/Hr_Kameny/Hranicni_Kameny.html Peter S.
       Apr 09, 2004 @ 10:40 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13933. Re: Strange section chit border
       ... delineating a ... relocated and ... not sure there is any calling for a full blown quest here yet for one thing i dont know if the graphics we just saw
       Apr 09, 2004 @ 18:04 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13934. Re: Gwadur / Gwadar / Gawadur - an Joachim - Postal Records
       What?
       Apr 10, 2004 @ 00:17 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
13935. Re: vatican tidbit
       Sounds like an inaccurate map - when you wrote ...leaves both the Teutonic College (the L-shaped building between the Audience Hall and the Basilica) and the
       Apr 10, 2004 @ 00:25 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
13936. Re: Gwadur / Gwadar / Gawadur - an Joachim - Postal Records
       do you mean what does this new pal mean well i admit i was hoping it would turn out to mean something hahahaha & it is indeed a great stroke of luck whenever
       Apr 10, 2004 @ 04:03 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13937. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Strange section chit border
       I, too, would love to know exactly how the Lateran Treaty of 1929 delimited the boundary along and about the colonnade. The MXUS boundary in the Rio Grande s
       Apr 10, 2004 @ 04:10 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13938. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: vatican tidbit
       Len, The map in the CIA s World Factbook at http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/vt.html shows the boundary hugging the colonnade and leaving
       Apr 10, 2004 @ 04:35 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13939. Re: Strange section chit border
       ... 1929 delimited the ... natural middle of the ... segments, the ... lines and ... points . The ... a radius of ... underwater boundary, & yes this would be
       Apr 10, 2004 @ 13:56 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13940. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Strange section chit border
       See my four insertions below. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: acroorca2002 To: Sent:
       Apr 10, 2004 @ 17:26 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13941. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Even more Czech stones
       Out of all borderstone (hranièní kameny) pictures, the white-painted borderstone with the coat-of-arms of the Lindenfels nobility from 1754 is to my
       Apr 10, 2004 @ 18:02 - Petter Brabec (=?iso-8859-1?q?Petter=20Brabec?= <pete2784west@...>)
13942. Re: Strange section chit border
       4 insertions too ... McManus ... the ... straight ... coordinate ... with ... the artificial ... construction of said ... sovereignty (by IBWC ... Thus,
       Apr 10, 2004 @ 20:22 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13943. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Strange section chit border
       I will reply without inserting. I think that the jumble below probably inhibits communication. The closest thing to a manmade feature that marks the boundary
       Apr 10, 2004 @ 22:00 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13944. Re: worlds oldest living thing improvement try afoot
       the friend i mentioned at the beginning & bottom of this thread dropped by again at cream hill today on his return from visiting the worlds supposedly oldest
       Apr 10, 2004 @ 23:24 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13945. Re: Strange section chit border
       ... probably inhibits ... true enough as i wasnt really looking for a closest thing anyway but only for a real cigar i mean in case the vatican cigar likewise
       Apr 11, 2004 @ 04:05 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13946. Re: GBBE
       yes & thanxx to both of you & all the others who are so faithfully reporting our gospel of borders as playthings & laugh objects & i must say your serious
       Apr 11, 2004 @ 13:39 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13947. Re: [BoundaryPoint] land use in Baarle
       I actually travelled through Castelre last week. My wife got the idea of taking an Easter Holiday to Benelux and Paris. We did all borders with BE NL and LU
       Apr 11, 2004 @ 13:49 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13948. Re: [BoundaryPoint] GBBE
       Thanks, Rolf! Can you call them for me? Hahaha. You probably have the record for the most number of times a borderfreak has had thier name in a Lonely Planet
       Apr 11, 2004 @ 16:30 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
13949. manmade feature borders was Re: Strange section chit border
       ... 1929 delimited the ... well if i understand the italian rightly in http://www.globalgeografia.com/europa/scv1.htm the delimitation is primarily indicated
       Apr 12, 2004 @ 00:34 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13950. manmade feature borders was Re: Strange section chit border
       for a complete & possibly better but still problematic english rendering of the possibly critical italian text or subtext please see part 1 article 3 here
       Apr 12, 2004 @ 16:28 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13951. Re: land use in Baarle
       welcome back & i figured your silence meant you were afield too but yikes does this mean you bring a fresh try for the baarle border cross ... Paris. ...
       Apr 12, 2004 @ 18:32 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13952. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: land use in Baarle
       No, I thought about the X, but it was strictly a family holiday, with accidental border incidents. Except a BEFR expedition that my local BE host took me on.
       Apr 12, 2004 @ 18:38 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13953. Jesper's holiday
       Well here is my short account: Day 1 (04.04.04): DK(ferry)DE- NL- BE- NL- Baarle (coffie break) - NL- BE (Poperinge) Day 2: BEFR expedition with local,
       Apr 12, 2004 @ 20:12 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13954. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Strange section chit border
       ... I can accept the figure/feature distinction, so we are in agreement. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA
       Apr 12, 2004 @ 20:21 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13955. manmade feature borders was Re: Strange section chit border
       & now comes an official vatican version http://tinyurl.com/3gjob not only depicting these twin itva segments faithfully following some apparently curving
       Apr 12, 2004 @ 22:11 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13956. Re: Jesper's holiday
       ... (Poperinge) ... female friend ... many photos ... customs officer, I go along. His friend is writing book about BE border markers, and gets my address...
       Apr 12, 2004 @ 22:55 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13957. Re: [BoundaryPoint] manmade feature borders was Re: Strange section chit border
       ... Remember back in 1981, when a Turkish prison escapee shot Pope John Paul II in St. Peter s Square? I remember that it was reported at the time that he was
       Apr 13, 2004 @ 00:43 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13958. Re: [BoundaryPoint] manmade feature borders was Re: Strange section chit border
       Mike, ... If you will go to the map on the official Vatican site at http://tinyurl.com/3gjob , you will see the plan of the steps in front of the Basilica.
       Apr 13, 2004 @ 05:30 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13959. Conference on Borders
       
       Apr 13, 2004 @ 06:37 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
13960. Re: Jesper's holiday -> Paris
       ... three Paris arrondisements 9, 10 and 18. I only figured that out late, but here is a photo : http://www.r- flux.com/paris.visit/paris.snap.07.html.
       Apr 13, 2004 @ 08:08 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13961. Re: Jesper's holiday -> Paris
       And while we re at it: The approx. locations of the three tertiary French tripoints of Paris: 75-92-93: http://tinyurl.com/2olm4 75-93-94:
       Apr 13, 2004 @ 08:27 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13962. manmade feature borders was Re: Strange section chit border
       good on this & your previous message too but as i realized & indicated when i first brought this http://tinyurl.com/3gjob the fix is in & all the steps & other
       Apr 13, 2004 @ 13:45 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13963. Re: [BoundaryPoint] manmade feature borders was Re: Strange section chit border
       ... That is my assumption, as well. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA
       Apr 13, 2004 @ 15:02 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13964. manmade feature borders was etc
       heres one that shows a curving cobblestone & pavement edge with some sort of stanchions that might be border markers
       Apr 13, 2004 @ 15:27 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13965. Re: [BoundaryPoint] manmade feature borders was Re: Strange section chit border
       A February 10, 2004, press release from the Vatican Information Service, citing the following day as the 75th anniversary of the Lateran Treaty says, Vatican
       Apr 13, 2004 @ 15:48 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13966. Child Named For IL-KY-MO Trifinium
       I watched the 1951 movie version of Show Boat today. The romantic lead character, Magnolia Ravenal, named her daughter Kim. The name Kim was chosen as an
       Apr 13, 2004 @ 17:48 - spookymike@aol.com (spookymike@...)
13967. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Jesper's holiday -> Paris
       Links give You are not authorized to view this page ... From: Peter Smaardijk To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 10:27 AM Subject:
       Apr 13, 2004 @ 18:34 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13968. manmade feature borders was etc etc
       nice & since the vatican herself says so then thats practically qed for http://www.globalgeografia.com/europa/vaticano/fig03a.jpg which evidently shows this
       Apr 13, 2004 @ 18:35 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13969. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Jesper's holiday -> Paris
       Departement numbers: 75: Ville de Paris 92: Hauts-de-Seine 93: Seine-Saint-Denis 94: Val-de-Marne Are they the ones used on license plates as well? jesper
       Apr 13, 2004 @ 18:35 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13970. Re: Jesper's holiday -> Paris
       ... Yes. Peter S.
       Apr 13, 2004 @ 18:41 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13971. Paris
       The links worked for a while... strange. OK, we ll do it another way. White lines and scribblings are mine, of course. And these lines are approximate... I
       Apr 13, 2004 @ 18:45 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
13972. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Child Named For IL-KY-MO Trifinium
       A little farther downriver and it could have been a boy -- TIM. Good thing she wasn t born on an Ohio Riverboat at the West Virginia-Ohio-Pennsylvania
       Apr 13, 2004 @ 19:39 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
13973. ilkymo show boat
       the boat in the attached pic shows ilkymo or kim to the best of my ability the view faces east & downriver from the observation deck in fort defiance state
       Apr 13, 2004 @ 20:25 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@hotmail.com>)
13974. timorese mouse uproarious in africa
       as semiannual oz talks are set to resume again in dili next week our mousie finally breaks her stunned silence of several weeks by roaring again at last in
       Apr 13, 2004 @ 21:53 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13975. Re: timorese mouse uproarious in africa
       & word finally comes that the mouse will not be ratifying the deal & that the investors are pressing her as their stock price actually rises for no apparent
       Apr 13, 2004 @ 22:15 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13976. Re: [BoundaryPoint] manmade feature borders was etc
       ... In the photo at http://tinyurl.com/38lub and in the left drawing in Figura 8 on page 6 of the PDF at http://tinyurl.com/2mhxw you can see that the steps
       Apr 14, 2004 @ 01:31 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13977. Re: vatican tidbit
       I just posted in the photos library three photos - two of the map of the Vatican from the Lateran Treaty - showing the triangular discrepancy between the
       Apr 14, 2004 @ 02:58 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
13978. my vatican credo so far
       first thanxxx to all who inspired & contributed to this detailed investigation which has certainly already occasioned one of our richest beepy hours yet &
       Apr 14, 2004 @ 20:59 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
13979. Re: vatican tidbit
       peter ... ... a ... out ... not in ... the author evidently bases this conclusion on too literal a reading of the treaty maps which are so
       Apr 15, 2004 @ 01:17 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13980. Headline - East Timorese call Howard a gas thief
       Dear bp, m wants you to know about this story on http://www.theage.com.au. Personal Message: dili roaring in earnest as oz showdown nears with apologies from
       Apr 15, 2004 @ 10:59 - m (m <moc.il@...>)
13981. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: vatican tidbit
       ... But then there is Paul VI s audience hall on the itva border which by some accounts appear to be a divided building, indeed intricatelly so.
       Apr 15, 2004 @ 20:02 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
13982. Re: vatican tidbit
       ... ok i confess i dont know the full story of this delicious mess http://www.globalgeografia.com/europa/vaticano/fig04.jpg & i guess it must have been a
       Apr 16, 2004 @ 00:54 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13983. Re: [BoundaryPoint] my vatican credo so far
       ... If we go back to the web site from which the two pics with the overlaid boundary lines came, we find many additional photos and the whole voluminous
       Apr 16, 2004 @ 05:00 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13984. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: vatican tidbit
       ... I believe that the border hasn t changed (much) since the construction of this building. Instead, I believe that one part of the building, about a fourth,
       Apr 16, 2004 @ 05:37 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
13985. Re: my vatican credo so far
       please look for several insertions ... outside ... inner edges ... stairs along ... overlaid boundary ... voluminous history of ... Italo-Vatican Technical ...
       Apr 16, 2004 @ 16:38 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13986. Re: vatican tidbit
       please look for insertions ... right & i believe it depends on what you mean by much ... well considerable misunderstanding anyway as we do so confuse apples &
       Apr 16, 2004 @ 18:51 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13987. BEFR (holiday)
       Attached a few photos from my holiday Baarle: My wife with symbolic border marker in Baarle. The border markers is the one to the left. BEFR1: Dvided road. BE
       Apr 16, 2004 @ 19:04 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
13988. Re: BEFR (holiday)
       Hi Jesper, Could you tell me (us) where exactly you have taken these photographs (on BEFR)? I have taken photographs of some old 1819 N-F boundary markers as
       Apr 16, 2004 @ 21:33 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13989. ATDE Jungholz-style marker
       http://home.zonnet.nl/mourmeer/grens-schneibstein.jpg Somewhere near Berchtesgaden. Is the border going through the cross here as well? Is this type of border
       Apr 16, 2004 @ 22:08 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
13990. passetto divided by international gate
       This email has been sent to you by m. They sent the following message: apparent qed that the passetto is a divided structure mats & the one i guessed but is it
       Apr 16, 2004 @ 23:07 - moc.il@li.com (moc.il@...)
13991. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: my vatican credo so far
       Regarding the photos at http://www.globalgeografia.com/europa/vaticano/fig03b.jpg and http://www.globalgeografia.com/europa/vaticano/fig03a.jpg , ... Please
       Apr 17, 2004 @ 05:36 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@msn.com>)
13992. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: vatican tidbit
       ... Yes, this is the feature I was referring to. As you are no doubt aware the passetto is a kind of airy covered and arched not-so-secret passageway that
       Apr 17, 2004 @ 06:03 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
13993. Re: vatican tidbit
       ... thanx very nice on both of us & of course it is a divided structure only because there is no way of not dividing it as for the other divided structure
       Apr 17, 2004 @ 07:58 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13994. 2 vatican footnotes
       first just to tie down a tangential loose end some pix i previously overlooked clearly showing that the outer steps of the basic colonnade if ever there were
       Apr 17, 2004 @ 08:10 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
13995. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: BEFR (holiday)
       BEFR1: Divided road. Facing E I am stading in the road cross at Cassel SE of divided town of Abele BEFR2: N-F marker, in Oost-Cappel BEFR3: Taken at one of the
       Apr 17, 2004 @ 08:17 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
13996. Re: my vatican credo so far
       ... steps ... propylaeum ... colonnade s terminal ... square by Jorgen ... http://www.qedata.se/bilder/panoramor/petersplatsen.jpg ). okayyy i have just
       Apr 17, 2004 @ 10:19 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
13997. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 2 vatican footnotes
       Mike, I agree with everything you have written below except your second paragraph, which I have already refuted in my message 13991, as you have noted.
       Apr 17, 2004 @ 15:16 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13998. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: my vatican credo so far
       Mike, My attachment that eluded you was nothing more than 20 KB snipped out of the wonderful 1.6 MB panorama at
       Apr 17, 2004 @ 15:44 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
13999. special to pal martin & company
       http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/04/17/editorial_cathryn.html i britannic niceness enact etc an essene cincinnati rbi
       Apr 17, 2004 @ 17:52 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
14000. Re: 2 vatican footnotes
       lowell ... second paragraph, ... have noted. yes & thanx for all the aiding & abetting in the ongoing improvement of my & our belief structures ... by Bernini,
       Apr 17, 2004 @ 21:38 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14001. Re: my vatican credo so far
       this is inconclusive to my eyes as well as obviated by my belief that itva follows the marble to cobble interface wherever that line may lie & lead at least as
       Apr 17, 2004 @ 22:19 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14002. Bernini's propylaea
       For whatever it s worth, you can see from all of the following photos that there are no steps in the propylaea:
       Apr 17, 2004 @ 22:55 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14003. btcn bitchin ideal
       http://www.kuenselonline.com/article.php?sid=3969 this must be border heaven too
       Apr 17, 2004 @ 23:27 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14004. Re: Bernini's propylaea
       it is worth a good deal to my belief provided your conclusion applies only to the inner propylaea for as you & the pix also indicate the outer propylaea which
       Apr 17, 2004 @ 23:57 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14005. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bernini's propylaea
       All true. The outer propylaea remain a mystery. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: acroorca2002 To:
       Apr 18, 2004 @ 00:12 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14006. Re: 2 vatican footnotes
       ... boundary, ... begin at ... de-Italianize it. ... I did a Google translation on the what I think is the same two page article. Maybe it will save you some
       Apr 18, 2004 @ 03:15 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
14007. more ctri follies tomorrow
       http://www.thewesterlysun.com/articles/2004/04/17/news/news2.txt _________________________________________________________________ From must-see cities to the
       Apr 18, 2004 @ 14:29 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
14008. Büsingen gets smaller
       The following article tells us about coming boundary adjustments at CHDE, including Büsingen giving up land.
       Apr 18, 2004 @ 20:37 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
14009. Marker on Ellicott's line
       Michael, is this one of the spots you visited when you were down there?
       Apr 19, 2004 @ 00:04 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
14010. Re: Marker on Ellicott's line
       nice new find jack & i have surely blown right past there many times & must have missed it narrowly during my earliest mound tries in this area circa 1998 as
       Apr 19, 2004 @ 15:15 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14011. mouse offers to pay tab for talks
       actually all hell is breaking loose http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,9329312%255E28737,00.html
       Apr 19, 2004 @ 17:33 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
14012. Vatican boundary faith
       Here is my declaration of faith as to the boundaries of Vatican City State. Links to images below. On the photo I have tried to fill in with a yellow pen what
       Apr 19, 2004 @ 18:29 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
14013. Re: Vatican boundary faith
       ... i understand why you believe the audience hall is divided by itva nor would i disagree even if the vatican herself appears to disagree in
       Apr 19, 2004 @ 22:53 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14014. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CEBT - next Europ. border expedition in August!
       Yes, this BYPL shoe incident was indeed what I was alluding to with the 4th message (13893) in the of the 4 s thread. I was going to make a try for 16:04:04,
       Apr 19, 2004 @ 23:02 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14015. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Vatican boundary faith
       ... The iron gate that marks the boundary on the Passetto is on the Vatican side of the archway through which the street passes. Therefore, there is no
       Apr 20, 2004 @ 00:55 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14016. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Child Named For IL-KY-MO Trifinium
       I like a lot of the placenames around this tripoint: Alfalfa Center, Future City, Olive Branch, Blandville, and the incomparable Monkey s Eyebrow. Also take a
       Apr 20, 2004 @ 02:22 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@yahoo.com>)
14017. [BoundaryPoint] Re: Vatican boundary faith
       ... I find reason to believe that Dr Aebischer says so in his article at http://www.globalgeografia.com/europa/index_scv.htm, although I must confess that I
       Apr 20, 2004 @ 07:28 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
14018. Re: Vatican boundary faith
       you may be right about the iron gate as i dont actually know where it is in relation to the arches in the street & btw would like to know if you can say how
       Apr 20, 2004 @ 10:36 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14019. Re: Child Named For IL-KY-MO Trifinium
       ... of course i once went looking this community or former community it was supposedly named after the round grassy ridgetop that overlooks it there is still a
       Apr 20, 2004 @ 10:55 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14020. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Vatican boundary faith
       I could be wrong about that. My statement was based solely on http://www.globalgeografia.com/europa/vaticano/fig13.jpg and accompanying text. The photo shows
       Apr 20, 2004 @ 13:23 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14021. Re: Vatican boundary faith
       hahaha its ok i didnt mean to inquisition you but do my eyes deceive me or have you planted the maraschino on our official vatican dejurcto map claim sundae
       Apr 20, 2004 @ 14:42 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14022. Fw: Boundary Studies
       ... From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 5:33 PM Subject: Re: Boundary Studies ... in International Boundary
       Apr 20, 2004 @ 19:35 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14023. Vietnamese Adventurers Heading for the Spratly Islands Today
       http://www.brunei-online.com/bb/tue/apr20w11.htm
       Apr 20, 2004 @ 20:00 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14024. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Vatican boundary faith
       ... Another nice view of this intriguing area can be found on the second picture of http://members.aol.com/Sokamoto31/vaticano2.htm
       Apr 20, 2004 @ 21:44 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
14025. Double sign
       Does anybody know where this double sign is? http://free.pages.at/micge/saarlandtag/schengen_f.htm Jesper
       Apr 20, 2004 @ 22:14 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14026. DEFRLU
       from the air http://www.deufralux.de/Wege/rundwanderweg4.htm Jesper
       Apr 20, 2004 @ 22:16 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14027. more italian translation
       the artificially enhanced italian pony continues below from where it last trotted off in message 13994 come a richiamare le prime versioni della delimitazione
       Apr 21, 2004 @ 00:35 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
14028. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Vatican boundary faith
       I fully agree, now, that the iron gate is just west of the Via del Mascherino. The double arches that allow the Via Porta Angelica through the Passetto are
       Apr 21, 2004 @ 02:42 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14029. Re: [BoundaryPoint] more italian translation
       ... Thank you for this thorough translation. Is the matter settled now? I wish I was certain. It seems that Dr Aebischer and Dr la Colla disagree on the
       Apr 21, 2004 @ 10:17 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
14030. BEFR, October, 2001 - I
       Inspired by Jesper s pictures of BEFR, I have dug up some old pictures I took myself some 2 1/2 years ago of that border. Maybe you remember my visit to Groot
       Apr 21, 2004 @ 11:40 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
14031. BEFR, October, 2001 - II
       And some more pics: 1. The border on the canal Veurne-Dunkirk. The border crosses the canal, then follows the small ditch to the north. I m standing on the
       Apr 21, 2004 @ 11:42 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
14032. Re: BEFR, October, 2001 - II
       I forgot to mention the village names... Groot Moerhof is located in the municipalities of Ghyvelde/Gijvelde (F) and De Panne (B). The Maerestraat and
       Apr 21, 2004 @ 13:22 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
14033. Re: more italian translation
       please look for several insertions ... youre welcome & i believe we can be certain that whatever the ultimate truth of the many still unresolved details the
       Apr 21, 2004 @ 15:47 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14034. Re: Vatican boundary faith
       haha bravo i cant even slip you a red herring any more ... Mascherino. ... the Passetto are ... www.geocities.com/Paris/Arc/5319/roma-c7.htm , ... Note the
       Apr 21, 2004 @ 16:04 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14035. Tunnels Under the U.S.-Mexico Border
       http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=1842750
       Apr 21, 2004 @ 17:19 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@...>)
14036. BEDEFR, BEFR & DEFRLU
       In the Versailles Treaty after World War I, Alsace-Lorraine was given back to FR Does anybody know if the pre WW1 DEFR goes along the present Alsace-Lorraine
       Apr 21, 2004 @ 18:36 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14037. Re: BEDEFR, BEFR & DEFRLU
       ... given back ... Lorraine ... from the ... indication of ... There wasn t a BEDEFR. It was another DEFRLU then, between Hussigny- Godbrange (F), Redingen
       Apr 21, 2004 @ 18:46 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
14038. Old DEFRLU map
       Pinched it from a website (can t remember which one now) Peter S. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital
       Apr 21, 2004 @ 18:48 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
14039. Re: BEDEFR, BEFR & DEFRLU
       ... to check ... it says ... here has to ... No. The border is older. Remember that Alsace-Lorraine was annexed to Germany only from 1871 to 1919. Before that,
       Apr 21, 2004 @ 18:59 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
14040. Re: Old DEFRLU map
       ... Found it again: http://usisli.free.fr/Historiquex.html
       Apr 21, 2004 @ 19:46 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
14041. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Old DEFRLU map
       and there is a marker! ... From: Peter Smaardijk To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 9:46 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Old
       Apr 21, 2004 @ 19:56 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14042. Re: Old DEFRLU map
       Sure there is. Just as there are two numbering sequences on DENL, there are two as well on FRLU. At this old tripoint, the numbering starts again. Peter S. ...
       Apr 21, 2004 @ 20:15 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
14043. Current LUFRDE border
       Well, here goes for my first posting (having been hiding in the shrubs for a year). I see that the interest in Luxembourg s borders has picked up again, so
       Apr 21, 2004 @ 20:33 - Ali John Baker (Ali John Baker <AliJohnBaker@Email.Com>)
14044. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Current LUFRDE border
       It s my one favourite tripoints, because of the technically with the condominium and three three country island. I posted an arial shot just yesterday. The
       Apr 21, 2004 @ 21:14 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
14045. Manila Asks Hanoi to Explain Spratly Joyride
       http://www.inq7.net/brk/2004/apr/21/brkpol_17-1.htm But there has been no word from this BNCNMYPHTWVN-trying party of 100 since they left continental Vietnam
       Apr 21, 2004 @ 21:33 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14046. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Manila Asks Hanoi to Explain Spratly Joyride
       What do you mean?? Cyprus is by the way also claimed by three countries, and how about Borneo? Jesper Besides the DEFRLU 3-country island, which however is not
       Apr 21, 2004 @ 21:42 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14047. Re: Manila Asks Hanoi to Explain Spratly Joyride
       ... thanx very nice & allow me to just correct the following message number since that is where it all began ...
       Apr 21, 2004 @ 21:43 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
14048. Re: Manila Asks Hanoi to Explain Spratly Joyride
       she is talking about islands that are claimed in their entirety by more than 2 countries it is true that parts of cyprus & of borneo & of the befrlu island are
       Apr 21, 2004 @ 21:57 - m06079 ("m06079" <barbaria_longa@...>)
14049. Re: Manila Asks Hanoi to Explain Spratly Joyride
       the paracel islands too are claimed by 3 countries namely cntwvn but are occupied only by china & since china & taiwan & vietnam all likewise claim all the
       Apr 21, 2004 @ 23:27 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14050. Possible BNCNMYTWVN 5-Country Reef and Obelisk
       As mentioned, there may well be as many as a dozen individual Spratly Islands that are claimed by four countries. But, though not all the claims are crystal
       Apr 22, 2004 @ 14:08 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14051. Re: Current LUFRDE border
       By the way, I think we don t have a good BEFRLU map after the boundary correction treaty between France and Luxemburg two years ago apr. . marcel ... again,
       Apr 22, 2004 @ 15:00 - marcelmiquelcat ("marcelmiquelcat" <marcelmiquel@...>)
14052. Re: Manila Asks Hanoi to Explain Spratly Joyride
       ... There is also the Pratas (Dongsha) Islands which are much closer to the Chinese mainland which are occupied by Taiwan. There was a report from 2000 which
       Apr 22, 2004 @ 17:35 - Henry Hirose ("Henry Hirose" <silentcity@...>)
14053. Re: Manila Asks Hanoi to Explain Spratly Joyride
       henry welcome back & yikes does this mean you are already out of africa as eagerly anticipated in messages 13195 & 13449 some comments inserted below too ...
       Apr 22, 2004 @ 18:37 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14054. BH enclave in YU???
       I have found something like an enclave in Yugoslavia. It s Bosnia s village Sastavci in Yugoslavia.
       Apr 22, 2004 @ 20:09 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@interia.pl>)
14055. A Page From allAfrica.com
       ... SENDPAGE SERVICE -- ALLAFRICA.COM The following page link has been sent to you by one of our readers. AllAfrica offers this facility as a service to our
       Apr 22, 2004 @ 21:12 - moc.il@li.com (moc.il@...)
14056. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BH enclave in YU???
       How old is the map? Jesper ... From: Artur Kroc To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 10:09 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] BH enclave
       Apr 22, 2004 @ 20:28 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14057. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BH enclave in YU???
       Thanks, Artur. I ve seen it too, probably on the same map. It s the same map you and I bought in Croatia in 2002, Jesper. I asked about this possible enclave
       Apr 23, 2004 @ 05:05 - Rolf Palmberg (Rolf Palmberg <rpalmber@...>)
14058. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BH enclave in YU???
       I have no memory of this issue and don t think I have a map like this. Time for retirement? Jesper ... From: Rolf Palmberg To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
       Apr 23, 2004 @ 05:23 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14059. Re: BH enclave in YU???
       ... I didn t remember it, but a search in the archives revealed that your memory is better than mine... I had found an article on the internet about it, and
       Apr 23, 2004 @ 07:55 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
14060. Re: BH enclave in YU???
       In case someone is fluent in Serbian: http://tinyurl.com/yq28k was the article that I had found back then. http://tinyurl.com/33rj5 & http://tinyurl.com/2thsd
       Apr 23, 2004 @ 09:11 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
14061. semiannual autl talks broke off abruptly if quietly tuesday
       but mouse is finally heard to roar again today on time delay http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s1093912.htm
       Apr 23, 2004 @ 12:00 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14062. Re: semiannual autl talks broke off abruptly if quietly tuesday
       ... . . . shaking the bowels of the entire neighborhood. http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,57 44,9366075%255E1702,00.html
       Apr 23, 2004 @ 15:46 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14063. meanwhile back in kerch
       http://www.deepikaglobal.com/ENG4_sub.asp?ccode=ENG4&newscode=50927 http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2004/04/e04ab8d8-3f54-4627-8704-555357bdd69a.html
       Apr 24, 2004 @ 00:43 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
14064. Where are file attachments?
       Can someone give me the URL for the site many of you use to view the messages with the attachments not deleted as at Yahoo? Thanks Len Nadybal
       Apr 24, 2004 @ 03:40 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
14065. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Where are file attachments?
       http://news.gmane.org/gmane.culture.discuss.boundary-point ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints
       Apr 24, 2004 @ 05:56 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14066. tea planting provocation in bdin clearcut ends in standoff
       but just a typically surreal morning in the neighborhood http://nation.ittefaq.com/artman/publish/article_8582.shtml
       Apr 24, 2004 @ 18:31 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14067. cadk looking increasingly surreal too
       hans island on the cusp of global warming & the euroamerican rift etc etc http://www.heise.de/tp/english/inhalt/co/17186/1.html but the claim of this writer
       Apr 24, 2004 @ 19:36 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14068. Hungarian southern tripoints
       Since the time Yugoslavia disintegrated, Hungary s got two new neighbours at the southern border. Does anyone of you know what is the situation about the
       Apr 25, 2004 @ 11:00 - pete2784west ("pete2784west" <pete2784west@...>)
14069. Re: Hungarian southern tripoints
       ... new ... what is ... Are ... dispute ... your ... them... i believe that the uncertainty & vagueness about both of these tripoints hrhusi & cshrhu or
       Apr 25, 2004 @ 13:31 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14070. ozzy calls roar a sympathy ploy
       http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/04/25/1082831425373.html _________________________________________________________________ Test your ‘Travel Quotient’
       Apr 25, 2004 @ 14:24 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
14071. Yahoo! News Story - World Photos - AP
       Doug Murray (doug@borderfilms.com) has sent you a news article. (Email address has not been verified.) Personal message: China-North Korea border stream. World
       Apr 25, 2004 @ 16:13 - Yahoo! News (Yahoo! News <doug@...>)
14072. Re: Yahoo! News Story - World Photos - AP
       ... Great snap! So they must call out for Chinese like everyone else! But how much of the 8 million Tons of food aid comes like this? A.K.
       Apr 25, 2004 @ 16:20 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14073. TV from CY bufferzone
       DK s DR1 today sent nice shots from Nicosia airport right inside the bufferzone. The programme can be seen here:
       Apr 25, 2004 @ 17:57 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14074. Re: BH enclave in YU???
       I recall that when the Bosnia war was ongoing, and the U. S. had the parties in Dayton, Ohio for a peace conference, the Defense Department set up a video
       Apr 26, 2004 @ 02:31 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
14075. depa arc & an impressive try
       http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A42125-2004Apr25.html but the claim of a complete border rock tour of delaware overlooks the lutetia penn stone
       Apr 26, 2004 @ 11:48 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
14076. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: BH enclave in YU???
       I am in posession of Croatian & Bosnian road atlas in 1:300 000 published by Milan Krleza in Croatia, being actually a map production of Feyrtag & Berndt in
       Apr 26, 2004 @ 11:49 - Petter Brabec (=?iso-8859-1?q?Petter=20Brabec?= <pete2784west@...>)
14077. dk2
       The DK government has proposed the below change from counties to regions: http://www.jp.dk/indland/artikel:aiid=2384994:fid=9652:img=0/ This would mean to more
       Apr 26, 2004 @ 12:00 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14078. Fwd: [BoundaryPoint] BH enclave in YU???
       My sister, (she studied Serbian) tried translate these articles. Problem is a land (sqare of this area is 120 km2.) which traditionally belongs to BiH but lies
       Apr 27, 2004 @ 11:03 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@interia.pl>)
14079. Re: Fwd: [BoundaryPoint] BH enclave in YU???
       http://www.mail-archive.com/sin@antic.org/msg06993.html Nedeljni Telegraf otkriva kako ce se menjati drzavna granica SCG sa BiH = Weekly Telegraph reveals
       Apr 27, 2004 @ 13:05 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
14080. Re: Fwd: [BoundaryPoint] BH enclave in YU???
       Another one: http://www.reporter.co.yu/rep97/0028.htm ... became ... the
       Apr 27, 2004 @ 13:34 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
14081. East Timor accuses Australia of robbery in sea border dispute
       http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_asiapacific/view/82145/1/.html
       Apr 28, 2004 @ 13:26 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@...>)
14082. joyriders will enhance spratly capers with airplanes
       first word of safe & triumphant return to vietnamese mainland by maiden spratly expedition includes promise of more & better by spring plus news of diplomatic
       Apr 28, 2004 @ 14:23 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
14083. 2 hours to beginning..
       of first European mini border expedition: DEPL: Route: DK- PL- DE- DK Jesper
       Apr 28, 2004 @ 14:27 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14084. Re: 2 hours to beginning..
       Aha! The Akvavit-Wódka-Schnaps Tour! Have fun! Peter
       Apr 28, 2004 @ 14:42 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
14085. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: 2 hours to beginning..
       No Øl-Piwo-Bier? Have a great journey... I m there in spirit (even though I ll soon be flying from Calgary to Vancouver today). Doug ...
       Apr 28, 2004 @ 15:31 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
14086. Interstate Mullet Toss
       Here s an amusing border event... the Flora-Bama bar on the alfl border sponsors an annual mullet toss, where people toss a fish from one state to the other.
       Apr 29, 2004 @ 00:39 - adamnvillani ("adamnvillani" <avillani@...>)
14087. Re: Interstate Mullet Toss
       ... alfl ... fish ... confirm ... the florabama bar is entirely in florida but it does abut the alfl line so the delineation suggested on its marquee is
       Apr 29, 2004 @ 02:47 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14088. Re: 2 hours to beginning..
       Indeed...and be sure to post some pics and a short synopsis of the trip when you return! ... be ... ... Service.
       Apr 29, 2004 @ 06:37 - Michael Kaufman ("Michael Kaufman" <mikekaufman79@...>)
14089. divers caught smuggling air
       http://www.borderlandnews.com/stories/borderland/20040429-111535.shtml _________________________________________________________________ Watch LIVE baseball
       Apr 29, 2004 @ 12:10 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
14090. Poeppel corner incorrect?
       NT/SA/Qld tripoint contoversy! http://www.simpsondesert.fl.net.au/myths/ Brendan
       Apr 29, 2004 @ 23:58 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
14091. magical mystery tour taken away
       http://www.nogalesinternational.com/articles/2004/04/29/news/news2.txt _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking
       Apr 30, 2004 @ 03:15 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
14092. IBWC and IBC meet
       Yesterday (Thursday), at a hotel in San Antonio, Texas, the Mexican and US commissioners of the 115-year-old International Boundary and Water Commission and
       Apr 30, 2004 @ 13:46 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14093. Re: [BoundaryPoint] dk2
       Jesper, ... What is the rationale behind this? In addition, how old is the current arrangement? Regards, Kevin Meynell
       Apr 30, 2004 @ 19:33 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
14094. great shot of Armenia/Iran
       Picture #25, below http://www.vaa.fak12.uni-muenchen.de/Armenia/2001/Armenia-2001.html
       Apr 30, 2004 @ 19:45 - Emmet C Tuohy ("Emmet C Tuohy" <ectuohy@...>)
14095. Doug's Latest Radio Piece: This Saturday
       My latest piece will be on CBC Radio One Definitely Not The Opera Between 2-3pm LOCAL time anywhere in Canada (except NFLD) Saturday May 1 It s about shortwave
       Apr 30, 2004 @ 20:13 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
14096. Re: [BoundaryPoint] dk2
       Last reform was in 1970 The regions only responsibility should be health, which the counties previously had. Detailed region map
       Apr 30, 2004 @ 20:23 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14097. Re: Poeppel corner incorrect?
       ... FYI, Poeppel Corner is (very close to) a Degree Confluence: Ross.
       Apr 30, 2004 @ 23:20 - Ross Finlayson (Ross Finlayson <finlayson@...>)
14098. Re: [BoundaryPoint] dk2
       Jesper, ... Thanks for that. Do people in Denmark particularly identify with the counties, or are they merely units of local government? Cheers, Kevin Meynell
       Apr 30, 2004 @ 23:56 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
14099. East Timor/Australia
       Forwarded article by eminent lawyer. Brendan
       May 01, 2004 @ 01:43 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
14100. Re: [BoundaryPoint] dk2
       Kevin, No, people don t identify themselves at all with counties or municipalities. When asking strangers where they are from I have never heard anybody say
       May 01, 2004 @ 14:15 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14101. Gibraltar and Cyprus photos
       It s been a long while since I posted anything here, but there are finally some thumbnails for my Cyprus and Gibraltar photos. For many of the photos, look at
       May 01, 2004 @ 21:45 - nfhodder ("nfhodder" <lists@...>)
14102. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gibraltar and Cyprus photos
       Great shots! But I miss some captions. Especially where the pix where taken. Jesper ... From: nfhodder To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May
       May 01, 2004 @ 22:27 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14103. Kazungula quadrapoint initial report
       ... Sorry for my late reply. Yes I am back from Africa and I have several pics from the alleged quadrapoint. Here are my brief thoughts. Mind you all I
       May 02, 2004 @ 09:11 - Henry Hirose ("Henry Hirose" <silentcity@...>)
14104. CYPRUS-PYLA
       German TV-News on sunday, an UN-commission will to inspect PYLA next week and give the UN proposals about the Turkish inhabitants of the village (probable
       May 03, 2004 @ 19:07 - udomet@gmx.de (udomet@...)
14105. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CYPRUS-PYLA
       Good point. Is the residents and businesses in the buffer zone considdered EU? Jesper ... From: To: Sent:
       May 03, 2004 @ 19:54 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14106. Re: Verena Hof & other enclaves
       ... file/enclaves.htm ... Switzerland. Anyone who can ... The mystery is solved here: http://www.stuttgarter-
       May 03, 2004 @ 20:17 - P. Joost Lemmens ("P. Joost Lemmens" <joostik@...>)
14107. VAN
       BPers, I know it s minutia by BP standards, but I attempted to locate VAN this weekend - the northernmost point in the Commonwealth of Virginia, USA. I must
       May 04, 2004 @ 01:01 - Brendan ("Brendan" <pit.hokie@...>)
14108. verena hof
       
       May 04, 2004 @ 07:50 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
14109. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CYPRUS-PYLA
       ... Yes, German tv means this. Udo -- NEU : GMX Internet.FreeDSL Ab sofort DSL-Tarif ohne Grundgebühr: http://www.gmx.net/dsl
       May 04, 2004 @ 19:00 - udomet@gmx.de (udomet@...)
14110. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CYPRUS-PYLA
       And the Turkish shops and residnets? Jesper ... From: To: Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 9:00 PM Subject: Re:
       May 04, 2004 @ 19:16 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14111. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CYPRUS-PYLA
       ... This will the UN to decide to the visit of the UN-commission (the UN has the sorrow, that the greek inhabitants of Pyla don`t live together with the
       May 04, 2004 @ 21:05 - udo metz ("udo metz" <udomet@...>)
14112. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CYPRUS-PYLA
       http://www.rnw.nl/hotspots/html/cyp040426.html Adriaan van der Meer: EU delegation head in Cyprus (photo: European Union) Troubles for Brussels But this also
       May 05, 2004 @ 17:39 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14113. Just couple of shots from pre EU DEPL-expedition
       Just couple of shots from pre EU DEPL-expedition Jesper
       May 05, 2004 @ 18:35 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
14114. First small steps towards...
       a new border and two tripoints? http://www.turks.us/article.php?story=20040501175628508 Jesper
       May 05, 2004 @ 19:25 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14115. Re: Just couple of shots from pre EU DEPL-expedition
       Very nice!
       May 06, 2004 @ 05:17 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
14116. drelandenpunt belgium netherlands germany
       Following a recent visit, (photos to come) I would like some more information ( have there been previous measages regarding this interesting tri-point?). I
       May 06, 2004 @ 07:39 - Bill Burke ("Bill Burke" <billb@...>)
14117. Whoops! EU Errors!
       http://news.excite.com/odd/article/id/401799%7Coddlyenough%7C05-06- 2004::09:47%7Creuters.html or http://tinyurl.com/2ejlt Doug
       May 06, 2004 @ 16:27 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
14118. namibia-botswana
       here are the details http://www.lawschool.cornell.edu/library/cijwww/icjwww/idocket/ibona/ ibonaJudgments/ibona_ijudgment_19991213.htm
       May 06, 2004 @ 18:28 - raedwulf16 ("raedwulf16" <raedwulf16@...>)
14119. Re: [BoundaryPoint] drelandenpunt belgium netherlands germany
       Yes, that unnamed division of land is Moresnet. Cees Damen provides detailed information about Moresnet on www.moresnet.nl Jannis Deeleman specialises in
       May 07, 2004 @ 05:51 - Eef Berns ("Eef Berns" <eefberns@...>)
14120. 2 pics from DEPL mini expedition
       Dear BP members- attached pls find two pics from our recent mini expedition to DEPL - the northern dry sector of this (now very calm!) border... I will also
       May 07, 2004 @ 08:56 - Peter Hering (Peter Hering <hering@mail.dk>)
14121. Re: drelandenpunt belgium netherlands germany
       I think that there was talk here at BP of BEDENL being a quintipoint for a short period of time, when Neutral Moresnet was still not incorporated into Belgium,
       May 07, 2004 @ 18:31 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
14122. Re: [BoundaryPoint] drelandenpunt belgium netherlands germany
       A good site at: http://home.hccnet.nl/c.damen/engels/index_en.htm See the Photo album section for many current pictures and see the Pictures and postcard
       May 07, 2004 @ 20:50 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14123. Re: [BoundaryPoint] drelandenpunt belgium netherlands germany
       Oops - this is acutally the same site as http://www.moresnet.nl/ which Eef just recently posted too. ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win
       May 07, 2004 @ 20:57 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14124. Re: drelandenpunt belgium netherlands germany
       ... quintipoint ... areas ... this ... yes i think you may be referring to message 813 where there is a try at a full chronology of bedenl as well as a link to
       May 09, 2004 @ 21:17 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14125. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: drelandenpunt belgium netherlands germany
       I like the tp railway too. I think Jack Parsell spotted it during GCEBE. http://home.hccnet.nl/c.damen/images/landkaart/landkaart_stip.jpg Jesper ... From:
       May 09, 2004 @ 21:22 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14126. Re: drelandenpunt belgium netherlands germany
       thats funny do you mean you spotted traces of a railway on the ground here or just the apparent alignment as suggested by this map i believe the bedenl rock
       May 10, 2004 @ 00:40 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14127. Re: First small steps towards...
       ... indeed not just this one de facto recognition of the turkish parts of cyprus consider the special recognition & assistance from europe herself of which
       May 10, 2004 @ 00:44 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14128. Re: Kazungula quadrapoint initial report
       ... wonderful please show & tell us all you can at your earliest convenience meanwhile i will add some new thoughts too Here are my brief ... detailed ... well
       May 10, 2004 @ 11:44 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14129. Re: [BoundaryPoint] First small steps towards...
       ... The UK offer to relinquish parts of the SBAs was conditional on the UN plan being accepted by both the Greek and Turkish communities before Cyprus acceded
       May 10, 2004 @ 11:46 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
14130. Re: East Timor/Australia
       thanx & in fairness & balance there were at least 2 rebuttals in that forum by other eminent lawyers one of which pointed out that east timor has a continental
       May 10, 2004 @ 13:42 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14131. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: drelandenpunt belgium netherlands germany
       The maps at http://tinyurl.com/2dl45 and http://tinyurl.com/2kuru show that the railroad is/was in a tunnel passing just south of the tripoint. Lowell G.
       May 10, 2004 @ 15:27 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14132. Re: drelandenpunt belgium netherlands germany
       I can confirm this, having a 1:25k topomap of the area. The distance to the tunnel is about 80 m. A nice picture of the Belgian side of the railway:
       May 10, 2004 @ 15:49 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
14133. Re: drelandenpunt belgium netherlands germany
       yesss a subway & close enough to a tripoint railway to shake the ground anyway yet still no split level tripoint to compare with algatn a real cigar tho for
       May 10, 2004 @ 19:54 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14134. Re: Czech stones of all kinds -->ATCZDE
       ... Dreisessel, ... is ... do ... Mountain ... pedestrian) ... about ... situated ... http://www.umweltministerium.bayern.de/bereiche/entwick/grenz ...
       May 10, 2004 @ 21:46 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14135. Re: namibia-botswana
       ... http://www.lawschool.cornell.edu/library/cijwww/icjwww/idocket/i bona/ ... this otherwise elusive sedudu island or mud flat is shown in relation to the
       May 10, 2004 @ 22:09 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14136. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: drelandenpunt belgium netherlands germany
       Okay, I ll ask. What s so split-level about the Nickajack Corner (ALGATN)? Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: acroorca2002
       May 10, 2004 @ 22:59 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14137. Re: VAN
       nice try & i too meant to visit van in my van in message 12318 but owing to a cold snap i actually only visited its twin terminal point at the southeast end of
       May 11, 2004 @ 00:17 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14138. Re: drelandenpunt belgium netherlands germany
       thanx good question algatn upon nickajack can be visited twice b o t h on terra firma on a shoulder of nickajack mountain where there is a loose & possibly
       May 11, 2004 @ 01:46 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14139. djeret try is weirding out bigtime
       http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3703175.stm
       May 11, 2004 @ 10:21 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14140. 1703 ctri dispute now on roadmap to peace by 2006
       a plan to end our local dumb & dumber squabble is beginning to make some sense at last but the critical 13 missing 1840 rocks are still not explicity addressed
       May 11, 2004 @ 10:53 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
14141. St Martin Boundary Monument
       All, I m not sure whether it s been posted before, but here s a picture of the Boundary Monument where Sint Maarten (Netherlands) and St Martin (France) meet
       May 11, 2004 @ 11:17 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@meynell.com>)
14142. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: drelandenpunt belgium netherlands germany
       Thank you, Mike. Very interesting. I had no idea that there was a cavern under there. No, I don t think that GPS would work underground. Lowell G. McManus
       May 11, 2004 @ 13:52 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14143. Re: drelandenpunt belgium netherlands germany
       ok then i think the best we can hope to do for lower algatn if any is to tie one end of a 2400 foot line to the middle of the grate on the cave entrance & the
       May 12, 2004 @ 15:38 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14144. Re: drelandenpunt belgium netherlands germany
       http://www.cdc.net/~rling/rescues/nickajk.htm indicates tva has cave map & ability to control water level if we dont want to wait for a drought ...
       May 12, 2004 @ 17:36 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14145. 6 new pics from DEPL added to the photo section..
       This is to inform you that 6 photographs from our recent mini expedition to the Polish-German border have been added to the photo section of BP... enjoy. *
       May 12, 2004 @ 21:03 - Peter Hering (Peter Hering <hering@...>)
14146. ozzie nuns join mouse roar
       http://www.cathnews.com/news/405/65.php with wicked new detail map background http://www.stbedes.melb.catholic.edu.au/home/br
       May 13, 2004 @ 01:30 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14147. morning follies
       denmark marries oz while back on the road to djeret ethiopian cowgirl blasts marshall usa for scolding her rustling posse
       May 15, 2004 @ 13:45 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
14148. fresh roars
       http://www.greenleft.org.au/back/2004/582/582p28.htm both recent & imminent http://www.timorseajustice.org with cartoons & transcript of recent tv show
       May 16, 2004 @ 21:08 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14149. is bzgtmx back in play
       after first spacing out & then repudiating the recent bzgt agreement guatemala has evidently woken up again & is even acting like something could happen at a
       May 16, 2004 @ 22:12 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
14150. an epic farce for all beepers
       if you liked the adventures of mason & dixon or ellicott etc or would just like to know how the metric system & modern science arose from a fantastic
       May 16, 2004 @ 23:54 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14151. BP known Iraq?
       http://www.ryano.net/iraq/?744727
       May 17, 2004 @ 10:17 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@...>)
14152. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BP known Iraq?
       Artur Great classis link! Thanks Jesper ... From: Artur Kroc To: Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 12:17 PM
       May 17, 2004 @ 16:58 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14153. Divided townon EGIL: Rafah
       http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/world/8418788.htm?1c http://www.reliefweb.int/hic-opt/refmap/rafah.jpg
       May 17, 2004 @ 20:13 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14154. BTCN talks
       http://www.kuenselonline.com/article.php?sid=3969
       May 17, 2004 @ 20:39 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14155. nam converts spratly military airstrip to joyriding
       http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3714627.stm taiwan pursuing bliss there too http://publish.gio.gov.tw/FCJ/current/04051481.html everyone will be
       May 18, 2004 @ 01:56 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14156. Re: BTCN talks
       ... it has been bitchin border heaven here since message 14003 but for a moment there i thought they were already reporting the successful conclusion of yet
       May 18, 2004 @ 19:26 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14157. statue of liberty..in new york or new jersey?
       I have seen many conflicting reports about the location of the Statue of Liberty. Is it in New York or in New Jersey? Can someone clarify that issue for
       May 18, 2004 @ 21:12 - raedwulf16 ("raedwulf16" <raedwulf16@...>)
14158. Re: statue of liberty..in new york or new jersey?
       ... someone ... liberty island on which it stands is an exclave of ny enclaved within nj so the statue of liberty is in ny
       May 18, 2004 @ 22:06 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14159. AT-DE divided mine - deepest boundary marker?
       http://pramhus.com/AUSTRIA/salt_mines_at_hallein_this_is_a_.htm It is hard to tell if there is a marker here. The photographer put a white line indicating
       May 19, 2004 @ 05:42 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14160. SC high, SC low - storytelling adventurer
       http://www.greatstoryteller.com/top.htm Nice and brief account plus class a pic of SC high (which apparently is on the NC-SC border). -Mike
       May 19, 2004 @ 05:28 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14161. Re: AT-DE divided mine - deepest boundary marker?
       ... http://tinyurl.com/3apad http://www.salzburg.gv.at/ul200301_34.pdf (Part of Grenzfälle series in Unser Land journal; search for Grenzfälle at the
       May 19, 2004 @ 07:55 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
14162. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BP known Iraq?
       Picture is a hoax, claimes DK military: http://ekstrabladet.dk/VisArtikel.iasp?PageID=249702 Jesper ... From: Artur Kroc To:
       May 19, 2004 @ 17:26 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14163. Re: BP known Iraq?-- it's called a JOKE
       Do we have to spell it out? Make your own version here: http://www.ryano.net/iraq/
       May 19, 2004 @ 18:02 - P. Joost Lemmens ("P. Joost Lemmens" <joostik@...>)
14164. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: BP known Iraq?-- it's called a JOKE
       For the computer literate: http://www.churchsigngenerator.com/ Church Sign Generator How did you do that? Good question. First, I took one of the signs from my
       May 19, 2004 @ 18:09 - John J. Kelly ("John J. Kelly" <johnkelly@...>)
14165. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Divided town on EGIL: Rafah
       Maybe there is no de facto Egypt-Palestine border`? http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/040513/481/jrl12105131950 Jesper ... Borderbase - your
       May 19, 2004 @ 19:51 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14166. ozzie monks join nuns in mouse uproar
       http://www.cathnews.com/news/405/105.php
       May 19, 2004 @ 23:08 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14167. Re: AT-DE divided mine - deepest boundary marker?
       I didn t read into the German articles about the borders in the mine tunnels, but tunnels led me to think about the road and rail tunnels that cross borders.
       May 19, 2004 @ 23:50 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
14168. oxfam joins mouse roar
       http://www9.sbs.com.au/theworldnews/region.php?id=85448®ion=7 _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with
       May 20, 2004 @ 00:03 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
14169. spratly joyriding showdown could come tomorrow
       http://www.brunei-online.com/bb/wed/may19w17.htm _________________________________________________________________ Stop worrying about overloading your inbox -
       May 20, 2004 @ 00:34 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
14170. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: BP known Iraq?-- it's called a JOKE
       You mean making something like this? ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains – Claim yours for only $14.70/year
       May 20, 2004 @ 08:54 - Asher Samuels (Asher Samuels <asher972@yahoo.com>)
14171. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: AT-DE divided mine - deepest boundary marker?
       The Túnel Internacional Cristo Redentor ( photo at http://es.geocities.com/viajesnx650/cristo.html ) on a highway under the ARCL (Argentina-Chile) boundary in
       May 20, 2004 @ 17:27 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14172. Troops at bicdrw?
       http://allafrica.com/stories/200404260328.html
       May 20, 2004 @ 20:31 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14173. EU and the Green Line
       http://www.delcyp.cec.eu.int/en/news/GREENLINE.doc
       May 20, 2004 @ 21:00 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14174. Re: Troops at bicdrw?
       ... i would guess in answer only wishfully thought ones if any for tho it is true all 3 bicdrw countries are named in the article & tho even the birw & cdrw
       May 21, 2004 @ 21:28 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14175. ARBRPY
       http://www.brazzil.com/2004/html/articles/may04/p144may04.htm
       May 23, 2004 @ 16:14 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14176. heroically resurrected idpg folk markers bite dust again
       http://www.thenational.com.pg/0524/nation2.htm
       May 23, 2004 @ 23:27 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14177. Re: ARBRPY
       ... http://www.brazzil.com/2004/html/articles/may04/p144may04.htm hahahahaha again this arbrpy triple frontier wretchedness is indeed a b o u t 3 or more
       May 23, 2004 @ 23:43 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14178. are joint border posts myth or reality
       http://www.utusan.com.my/utusan/content.asp?y=2004&dt=0524&pub=Utusan_Express&sec=Home_News&pg=hn_10.htm
       May 24, 2004 @ 01:15 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
14179. egiljo
       class e http://rcs43.urz.tu-dresden.de/~english3/israel/index1.html
       May 24, 2004 @ 21:07 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14180. gnlrsl class e
       http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/450357.stm http://home.worldonline.dk/jesniel/border/african_tripoints.htm#gnlrsl
       May 24, 2004 @ 21:19 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14181. amazge condo?
       http://www.transcend.org/CAUCASIA.HTM http://sunsite.berkeley.edu:8085/azerbaijan/100k/K-38-103.jpg
       May 24, 2004 @ 21:29 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14182. Re: egiljo
       ... aha class e very nice & so will you actually be trying for your point in this case as for example by perhaps locating or guesstimating it visually
       May 25, 2004 @ 00:21 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14183. Re: [BoundaryPoint] amazge condo?
       About the purple border lines on the topomap. You can see them deviating slightly from the black boundary lines on AZGE and on AMAZ almost right up to the
       May 25, 2004 @ 00:29 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14184. chdefr spectacular aerial photos
       Hello, I think it wasn t posted here before. See: http://www.portofbasel.ch/de/aktuell/bildarchiv/kleinhueningen/ KH01.html and specially next pages of photos
       May 25, 2004 @ 15:41 - marcelmiquelcat ("marcelmiquelcat" <marcelmiquel@...>)
14185. campobello
       ADVERTISEMENT Border hassles create gulf between stranded Canadian island and United States Mon May 24, 3:14 PM ET CHRIS MORRIS CAMPOBELLO ISLAND, N.B. (CP) -
       May 25, 2004 @ 17:40 - raedwulf16 ("raedwulf16" <raedwulf16@...>)
14186. campobello map
       http://www.cobscookbay.com/map-cbay.gif
       May 25, 2004 @ 18:20 - raedwulf16 ("raedwulf16" <raedwulf16@...>)
14187. Tripoints
       From the start this group was meant to be a multipointing group. North Americans do not have that many international multipoints and so they like to focus more
       May 25, 2004 @ 20:03 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14188. Re: [BoundaryPoint] campobello
       http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=44.86056&lon=-66.98472 regards, chris ... From: raedwulf16 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004
       May 25, 2004 @ 20:02 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
14189. Re: Tripoints
       ... also love: divided houses, enclaves, misplaced border markers, etc. ... Any of you may wish to add your experiences about people living on either side of a
       May 26, 2004 @ 00:06 - xachary04 ("xachary04" <xachary04@...>)
14190. Re: [BoundaryPoint] campobello
       Perhaps our Canadian friends would like to trade Campobello Island for Point Roberts. (Just kidding!) Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA
       May 26, 2004 @ 00:58 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14191. Re: campobello
       Once again Lowell liberal come lately Mcmanus thinks President Bush-league has nothing to do but lazily cruise through the internet and jokingly read his
       May 26, 2004 @ 01:11 - kontikipaul ("kontikipaul" <contikipaul@...>)
14192. Spratly Islands
       Article from the economist: Nothing new but hope for some settlement. IN THE Spratly Islands, tourism is war by other means. In March, Taiwan, one of six
       May 26, 2004 @ 01:28 - kontikipaul ("kontikipaul" <contikipaul@...>)
14193. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: campobello
       1. It was a joke! It was also clearly labeled as such. Somebody needs to get a sense of humor. 2. The Campobello residents who spoke to the journalist who
       May 26, 2004 @ 02:59 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14194. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: campobello
       For a group that is focused on something as political as boundaries, there is a surprising (and welcome) lack of flaming and bitching and complaining. And
       May 26, 2004 @ 03:16 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
14195. Re: egiljo
       ... zone ... several of these pix do look promising but i just figured out that the tripoint would not be nearly as visible from eilat israel as it would be
       May 26, 2004 @ 04:10 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14196. Re: [BoundaryPoint] campobello
       ... I m not sure how bringing border anomalies to the attention of this group makes one a liberal or otherwise, but it is interesting to note the different
       May 26, 2004 @ 13:14 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
14197. Surprisingly KPKR Rises to the Level of ERET
       http://www.guardian.co.uk/korea/article/0,2763,1225279,00.html
       May 26, 2004 @ 15:25 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14198. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: AT-DE divided mine - deepest boundary marker?
       Nice. Especially if this is marked in the tunnel. Looks as if the Mt. Blanc tunnel may be the one, at least of what we have found. And for lowest marked
       May 26, 2004 @ 21:55 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14199. Re: [BoundaryPoint] campobello
       I like things the way they are!! But a BorderFreak meeting in either spot would be nice... Doug ... ... ... Doug Murray Productions
       May 27, 2004 @ 00:13 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
14200. Re: AT-DE divided mine - deepest boundary marker?
       ... http://www.rkauto.com.br/xtz750/images/dentro_do_tunel.jpg just where i was awakened to prepare for chilean immigrations on the overnight bus from buenos
       May 27, 2004 @ 03:22 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14201. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Tripoints
       Personally I find these interesing, too. You cannot have the one without the other. Just liking points because they are just points is great and I like that,
       May 27, 2004 @ 17:52 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14202. esteemed governor of yap routine commended to mouse by roar deafened ozzie
       http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,9677164%5E17301,00.html _________________________________________________________________ MSN
       May 27, 2004 @ 18:49 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
14203. martin & voa tv join djeret try
       http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040527/dcth059_1.html
       May 27, 2004 @ 23:41 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14204. recreational geographics from geographical recreations
       finding a new london here in new england on a new thames river leads me to wonder if there are any similarly complex series of geographical recreations to be
       May 28, 2004 @ 05:25 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14205. oz roars back message 14099 verbatim neglecting 14130 rebuttal
       http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,9684824%255E28737,00.html _________________________________________________________________ Get
       May 28, 2004 @ 16:19 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
14206. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: AT-DE divided mine - deepest boundary marker?
       Ah yes, forgot about that sign you reported at Death Valley, but I enjoyed rereading the tale of this caper. Have we discussed or tried to find the tripoints
       May 28, 2004 @ 16:51 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14207. Re: AT-DE divided mine - deepest boundary marker?
       thanx these were all peak experiences for me too i believe we may have visited the highest tricountry point recently was it cninnpe on jonsang peak at 24500
       May 28, 2004 @ 19:18 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14208. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: AT-DE divided mine - deepest boundary marker?
       Until and unless the Palestinians acquire statehood, the Dead Sea is out of the running for the lowest tripoint, because only two sovereignties are involved.
       May 28, 2004 @ 19:56 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14209. Re: AT-DE divided mine - deepest boundary marker?
       very nice if they ever do pull de facto iljosy down from the golan heights & restore it to the so called de jure iljosy position as shown here
       May 29, 2004 @ 00:31 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14210. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: AT-DE divided mine - deepest boundary marker?
       I thought also about Baarle - the boundary cross. I was hoping maybe this might be below sea level. But, http://fjtraining.wldillon.com/altguide.htm has
       May 29, 2004 @ 02:59 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14211. sawanabori of the thames continued
       so proceeding from message 14204 & despite the difficulty of the visual evaluation we probably guessed correctly at norwich that the west fork or yantic river
       May 29, 2004 @ 03:45 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
14212. fresh rockall farce
       http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2004/05/29/bocon29.xml&sSheet=/arts/2004/05/29/ixartright.html trust me it keeps giving right to the end
       May 29, 2004 @ 04:29 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
14213. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: AT-DE divided mine - deepest boundary marker?
       I think we re out of luck in North America. The sea level contour in the Imperial Valley misses the tripoint between the California counties of Imperial,
       May 29, 2004 @ 05:00 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14214. everyonese wetbeach shot down by friendly fonts
       or kinetic connecticut etiquette goes to washington http://www.thesunlink.com/redesign/2004-05-29/local/20040529484453.shtml al jabeepers spinning the border
       May 29, 2004 @ 13:09 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
14215. Saudi- Yemeni and Eritrea - Ethiopia border demarcations
       http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/040528/2004052816.html http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L2472434.htm
       May 29, 2004 @ 15:31 - Artur Kroc ("Artur Kroc" <kroc@...>)
14216. Re: martin & voa tv join djeret try
       ... Way to go, Martin! Probably just my equipment, but I haven t succeeded yet in catching the VOA video stream... Would a transcript, or any highlights, be
       May 29, 2004 @ 17:21 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14217. sawanabori of the thames shetucket & on up the creek without a bucket continued
       when last we stalled for further meditation at the foot of message 14211 you probably recall we were just below willimantic at the head of the shetucket
       May 29, 2004 @ 21:00 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
14218. thames shetucket willimantic middle sawmill moulton source try afoot
       the rest stop at stafford springs in message 14217 has already been productive first it afforded an actual look at middle river which is the left fork & at
       May 30, 2004 @ 05:05 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
14219. 1815 ncsc obelisk try by scuba
       http://www.charlotte.com/mld/observer/news/local/states/south_carolina/counties/york/8796795.htm
       May 30, 2004 @ 12:41 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
14220. Stone sunk in lake may help draw state line
       This Story has been sent to you by : moc.il@li.com Stone sunk in lake may help draw state lineAround 1815, a stone monument was erected on the west bank of the
       May 30, 2004 @ 13:18 - moc.il@li.com (moc.il@...)
14221. cosmos triples up on thames sawanabori bet
       the culminating moment of truth on sawmill &or moulton hill brooks i set for early tuesday morning in the previous installment message 14218 was not arbitrary
       May 30, 2004 @ 19:16 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
14222. BYLTLV...
       on Official website of the State Border Guard Service of the Republic of Lithuania: http://www.pasienis.lt/index.html It appears on top left corner. You may
       May 30, 2004 @ 19:37 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14223. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BYLTLV...
       And usefull links: http://www.pasienis.lt/links/index.htm ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 9:37 PM
       May 30, 2004 @ 19:38 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14224. Re: BYLTLV...
       ... there picture is random chosen. I have been refreshing the page until I got fed up, but no tripoint. Then I had a look at the source code; the tripoint is
       May 30, 2004 @ 19:42 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
14225. Re: BYLTLV...
       Scottish border police??? The (Scottish) Borders is the name of a Scottish area, not the boundaries of Scotland... Peter S. ... as there picture is random
       May 30, 2004 @ 19:47 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
14226. Re: [BoundaryPoint] campobello
       Finaly a sensible message. Map if somebody was wondering http://tinyurl.com/3dneu Jesper ... From: Doug Murray To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent:
       May 30, 2004 @ 20:30 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14227. Re: [BoundaryPoint] campobello
       and topo http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=44.86056&lon=-66.98472 ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 10:30
       May 30, 2004 @ 20:39 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14228. divided village RUUA: Uspenkaja
       Hi I found a article (written by Kevin O-Flynn, Moscow Times, translated in to Danish) from 2001 about a divided village on RUUA with divided houses and
       May 30, 2004 @ 20:57 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14229. Re: campobello
       really what did you find so sensible or final about it ... Campobello Island for Point ... of Service. ... work. Please use doug@b... or dougmurray@m... ...
       May 30, 2004 @ 21:02 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14230. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: campobello
       Stop arguing about politics and have a border freak meating at Point Bob ot Campobello instead :-) ... From: acroorca2002 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
       May 30, 2004 @ 21:12 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14231. Re: divided village RUUA: Uspenkaja
       ... translated in to Danish) from 2001 about a divided village on RUUA with divided houses and properties. It s called Uspenkaja. The article also describe a
       May 30, 2004 @ 21:17 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
14232. Eilat
       I would fancy a holliday to Eilat, which would mean new border crossings for me: EGIL and ILJO, and a class e EGILJO, and JOSA does not seem too far away. On
       May 30, 2004 @ 21:19 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14233. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: divided village RUUA: Uspenkaja
       Exactly. Excellent work! The Danish title is however: Galskab på grænsen - Madness on the border. Jesper ... From: Peter Smaardijk To:
       May 30, 2004 @ 21:22 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14234. Re: divided village RUUA: Uspenkaja
       Another article (in Russian) mentions the house of the Dobronogovs, saying that the toilet and the kitchen are in the Ukraine. The rest is in Russia....
       May 30, 2004 @ 21:32 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
14235. Congestion charging?
       http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/antenna/congestion/141.asp
       May 30, 2004 @ 21:46 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14236. spratly joyriding security goes global
       http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=31962
       May 30, 2004 @ 21:59 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14237. Re: Eilat
       ... seem too far away. ... (http://www.nicolette.dk/hitlist/borderhitlist1.php) ... JOSA has not been done. ... good question ibs number 60 explains the entire
       May 30, 2004 @ 22:55 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14238. Re: Eilat
       here are some earnest egjosy tries probably class e just off frame to the right http://www.asergeev.com/pictures/archives/compress/2002/267/ 37.htm possibly
       May 30, 2004 @ 23:20 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14239. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: BYLTLV...
       ... The police force is actually known as Lothian and Borders and covers the area of the Borders unitary district, plus the four unitary districts around
       May 31, 2004 @ 09:55 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
14240. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Eilat
       There s supposedly a ferry between Egypt and Jordan that should get one close to EGILJO. Let me know when you re coming - I ll drive on down and join you.
       May 31, 2004 @ 10:30 - Asher Samuels (Asher Samuels <asher972@...>)
14241. eureka traditional japanese sawanobori
       have been seeking this confirmation for at least 10 years yesss http://www.geocities.co.jp/Outdoors/3063/mitani.htm
       May 31, 2004 @ 14:01 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14242. Re: eureka traditional japanese sawanobori
       http://images.google.com/images?q=sawanabori connects quite a full range of stream climbing experiences from flat waters thru vertical falls all under the
       May 31, 2004 @ 15:45 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14243. Re: eureka traditional japanese sawanobori
       ... You must mean: http://images.google.com/images?q=sawanobori ... Climbing . . . a stream or rapids which run in the valley of the steep mountains,
       May 31, 2004 @ 16:05 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14244. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: eureka traditional japanese sawanobori
       I find a Japanese site that translates it as shower climbing. A web search on the word finds that it is also a Japanese surname. I find a movie director, a
       May 31, 2004 @ 16:56 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14245. Sawanobori of the Calcasieu
       During the time between the Louisiana Purchase of 1803 and the Adams-de Onís Treaty of 1819, the location of the boundary between American Louisiana and
       Jun 01, 2004 @ 01:23 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14246. Re: Sawanobori of the Calcasieu
       brilliant as well as lovely as well as very lucky to find such ideal conditions for so piquant & boundarypointed a shower climb so close to home i should add
       Jun 01, 2004 @ 13:35 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14247. Re: Sawanobori of the Calcasieu
       brilliant as well as lovely as well as very lucky to find such ideal conditions for so piquant & boundarypointed a shower climb so close to home i should add
       Jun 01, 2004 @ 13:37 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14248. the sky opened up on our sawanabori
       thanx again lowell & theia too i like them both an online japanese english dictionary agrees nobori means ascent while incidentally denying nabori means
       Jun 01, 2004 @ 15:37 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
14249. Four seasons quadropoints
       Sounds like a pizza, doesn t it? Well, have you wondered where you can stand in four seasons at the same time? Probably not. Well here is the answer: 1) On the
       Jun 01, 2004 @ 16:16 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14250. Re: Four seasons quadropoints
       nice square pie you twirl maestro & the good news is some maps indicate there may be a fifth slice or topping in borneo looking not too difficult of access
       Jun 01, 2004 @ 18:38 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14251. historic kpkr talks could order seafood condo or clave islet platter tomorrow
       http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2004/06/02/200406020006.asp _________________________________________________________________ Stop worrying
       Jun 01, 2004 @ 19:00 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
14252. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Four seasons quadropoints
       Why do you think Borneo has a timezone boundary? ... From: acroorca2002 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 8:38 PM Subject:
       Jun 01, 2004 @ 19:02 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14253. machias seal
       http://www.coastguides.com/r6/r6.html?http% 3A//www.coastguides.com/r6/6.45MachiasSeal.html http://home.comcast.net/~sacnin/images/map3.jpg
       Jun 01, 2004 @ 19:05 - raedwulf16 ("raedwulf16" <raedwulf16@...>)
14254. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Four seasons quadropoints
       It wouldn t be on June 1; it would be at the precise clock time on June 20 or 21, whenever the equinox is. The official start of the new season is the precise
       Jun 01, 2004 @ 19:08 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
14255. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Four seasons quadropoints
       Well, in Denmark is has always been on June 1. June 20 or 21 is the longest day. Jesper ... From: Flynn, Kevin To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent:
       Jun 01, 2004 @ 19:48 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14256. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Four seasons quadropoints
       Must be a political choice, then. But the actual change to winter or summer is determined by the earth and the sun, at the precise second when the sun is
       Jun 01, 2004 @ 20:21 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
14257. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Four seasons quadropoints
       Really? The seasons are fixed on the calendar like that? Here in the Great White North we follow the sun... So is today the first day of spring in Denmark?
       Jun 01, 2004 @ 22:53 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
14258. Re: Four seasons quadropoints
       hey all you misspeakers including myself yikes these convergences of quadriseasonality actually occur at the moment points of both solstices a n d of both
       Jun 02, 2004 @ 00:32 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14259. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Sawanobori of the Calcasieu
       Mike, Thanks for the compliment! I once made a map of the neutral zone, but I haven t been able to find it today. If I don t find it in a day or two, I ll redo
       Jun 02, 2004 @ 01:59 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14260. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Four seasons quadropoints
       Yesterday 1st day of Summer 1 Sep = fall 1 Dec = winter 1 March = spring Jesper ... From: Doug Murray To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June
       Jun 02, 2004 @ 04:46 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14261. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Four seasons quadropoints
       Any other countries do it this way? I ve never heard of it before. What comes after two days of rain in Vancouver? Monday! Hahaha.... ... Doug Murray
       Jun 02, 2004 @ 06:13 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
14262. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Four seasons quadropoints
       Finns do as the Danes do (at least in this respect :-)) rolf
       Jun 02, 2004 @ 06:26 - Rolf Palmberg (Rolf Palmberg <rpalmber@...>)
14263. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Four seasons quadropoints
       It is commonly termed meteorological summer or winter, spring, autumn. http://www.colby.edu/sts/st215/3.2view/sld005.htm Aussies use these meteorological
       Jun 02, 2004 @ 06:43 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14264. Sastavci (BH enclave in Serbia)
       So what was decided on this? Rudi has sent me some xeroxes of maps, and I looked at our map holdings. WW2 1:100,000 maps of Yugoslavia show Sastavci and all
       Jun 02, 2004 @ 06:57 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
14265. Re: Sastavci (BH enclave in Serbia)
       ... WW2.... Some Serbian articles on the enclave mention that the situation is a relic from the time it was the ATTR border. Peter S.
       Jun 02, 2004 @ 07:08 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
14266. thames try continues but haltingly
       had to suspend the sawanabori performance temporarily yesterday despite a most propitious soaking rain & another free ride almost to the exact neighborhood
       Jun 02, 2004 @ 11:54 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
14267. Re: Sastavci (BH enclave in Serbia)
       ... a ... ... for example in the most recent article that I have found (May 12) ( http://tinyurl.com/2apth ). Also there: another map! :-)) (Caption: The
       Jun 02, 2004 @ 12:45 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
14268. Sastavci
       ... I do not believe this without further evidence (I am not aware of any mention of such an enclave in Hertslett s opus The Map of Europe by Treaty for
       Jun 02, 2004 @ 23:30 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
14269. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Four seasons quadropoints
       Wait but at 12:30 AM Colombian time, both Colombia and Brazil would be on the same date. And Brazil would have to be summer/winter with Colombia as
       Jun 03, 2004 @ 05:38 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14270. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Four seasons quadropoints
       How could these pizzas occur at all points on the Equator? Unless the pizza you speak of is of the two-slice variety. Since the sun will reach the tropic at
       Jun 03, 2004 @ 05:48 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14271. Re: Four seasons quadropoints
       tho their exact times vary from season to season & year to year each of the 4 moments of planetary seasonal progression that occurs in the course of each
       Jun 03, 2004 @ 12:51 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14272. Re: Sastavci
       ... any ... by ... early 20th ... maps ... Nor, for what it is worth, can I see any mention of this area in The Exclave Problem of Western Europe by Honoré
       Jun 03, 2004 @ 19:24 - Eric Thompson ("Eric Thompson" <ej.thompson@...>)
14273. thames headstream choice still hanging
       returning yesterday to state line pond i failed again to reach the elusive mouth of sawmill brook as the neighborhood was too swampy to just slog on over to it
       Jun 03, 2004 @ 21:44 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
14274. Re: Sastavci (BH enclave in Serbia)
       As a former UN peacekeeper in Sarajevo for 2 years there were hundreds of enclaves littered around former Yugoslavia. Republika Srpska (serb republic) is an
       Jun 04, 2004 @ 00:22 - kontikipaul ("kontikipaul" <contikipaul@...>)
14275. Re: machias seal island
       -Well researched Raedwulf16 Machias Seal Island falls into a rare conflict between Canada and the USA. Canada has a part time manned lighthouse on the island
       Jun 04, 2004 @ 00:28 - kontikipaul ("kontikipaul" <contikipaul@...>)
14276. Re: Sastavci
       Eric- the only thing is the Catudal book was published in the 70 s. When Yugoslavia was one single country. The country, after the death of Tito and communism
       Jun 04, 2004 @ 00:38 - kontikipaul ("kontikipaul" <contikipaul@...>)
14278. Sastavci
       ... Let me clarify: an enclave is a part of one country (or other political unit) **totally** surrounded by another. It is not an ethnic enclave , nor a part
       Jun 04, 2004 @ 02:01 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
14279. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Sastavci
       Hi, Does someone know current border arrangement in: 1. Russian exclave of the Kaliningrad after Poland and Lithuania (the surrounding countries) joined the EU
       Jun 04, 2004 @ 07:35 - Regio da cruz Salu (=?iso-8859-1?q?Regio=20da=20cruz=20Salu?= <regiodacruzs@...>)
14280. Ceremony at India-Pakistan border
       Found an article about an unusual ceremony which is held every sunset at th= e border town of Wagah. Enjoy. =) Parade of pride In Wagah on the India-Pakistan
       Jun 04, 2004 @ 16:30 - Andy Lim ("Andy Lim" <andylkl@...>)
14281. thames source try advances
       all the state line pond watershed maps were finally printed & carefully penciled up this morning to within an acceptable margin of error provided the
       Jun 05, 2004 @ 00:06 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
14282. mouse would accept hush money
       http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=9699
       Jun 05, 2004 @ 00:23 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14283. aocg & euru was Re: Sastavci
       hi gio not sure exactly what you mean by current border arrangement but details of the angola congo brazzaville border alignment & markers documents etc as of
       Jun 05, 2004 @ 01:21 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14284. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BH enclave in YU???
       No retirement! Ok I remember buying a map of the region but it must have been different from Rolf s. The map I have shows no enclave. Here is a scan. ...
       Jun 05, 2004 @ 19:29 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@yahoo.com>)
14285. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Sawanobori of the Calcasieu
       Since there was an expression of doubt from a certain quarter regarding the veracity of my assertions of a de facto military neutral zone between American
       Jun 05, 2004 @ 23:26 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14286. TP: Italy-Trieste-Yugoslavia
       Does anyone knoe exactly where is was? http://alphabetilately.com/AMG/map-vg.JPG http://www.istrians.com/istria/maps/historic/images/1946_trieste-zone-b780.jpg
       Jun 06, 2004 @ 13:12 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14287. thames sawanabori doubles back today
       with the benefit of further reflection the superiority of sawmill brook over its unnamed rival at state line pond by a margin estimated yesterday at 22 percent
       Jun 06, 2004 @ 13:38 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
14288. Campobello-type islands
       Inspired by the lively discussion over the past couple of weeks: Does anyone know of any other Campobello-type islands, defined as islands of a continental
       Jun 06, 2004 @ 19:48 - geoh88 ("geoh88" <geoh88@...>)
14289. Re: Campobello-type islands
       nice question if i am reading the map right then sjaelland & falster & lolland & any other islands connected to them tho of course all connected to one another
       Jun 06, 2004 @ 23:30 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14290. Re: the sky opened up on our sawanabori
       Completing the flying heron triplet: The day after you posted this, my local newspaper ran a front page article on blue herons with a large photo. Apparently
       Jun 07, 2004 @ 01:04 - Michael Kaufman ("Michael Kaufman" <mikekaufman79@...>)
14291. surprising conclusion of thames sawanabori
       thanx to another coincidental errand that practically delivered me to the target area again some 2 hours from home i returned once again to the upper end of
       Jun 07, 2004 @ 01:42 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
14292. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Campobello-type islands
       hahaha Sjælland is not connected to Sweden, but Peberholmen is, and then Amager before Sjælland. Funen is also stuck on Sjælland and then connected to
       Jun 07, 2004 @ 04:53 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14293. Re: [BoundaryPoint] fresh rockall farce
       That it does, especially with the Sealand reference. And for good measure: 4 quadripoints by my count. ...
       Jun 07, 2004 @ 05:57 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14294. bachelors of pointing all
       if you get the feeling bp has been a real education for all the time & research & drinking you have invested here well today you are right as well as
       Jun 07, 2004 @ 14:59 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14295. oz timor uproar in crescendo
       all hell is breaking loose as time pressures increase on both sides
       Jun 07, 2004 @ 15:33 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
14296. Re: bachelors of pointing all
       What a glorious day to be wearing a tassel! As someone who may not qualify for a bachelors of pointing degree, but who over the past year or so has scurried
       Jun 07, 2004 @ 16:50 - geoh88 ("geoh88" <geoh88@...>)
14297. Re: Campobello-type islands
       Jesper, you inspired me to Google Peberholmen, which is not even in the 4-kajillion-entry index of the gigantic 2003 eleventh edition of The Times
       Jun 07, 2004 @ 18:31 - geoh88 ("geoh88" <geoh88@...>)
14298. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Campobello-type islands
       This is all very interesting. Jesper, can you tell us why the bridge between Denmark and Sweden was not built between Helsingør and Helsingborg where the
       Jun 07, 2004 @ 19:23 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14299. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Campobello-type islands
       As a matter of fact, that s what alot of people ask around here, too. The bridge has never really been a succes, as most people travelling to Sweden travel up
       Jun 07, 2004 @ 19:44 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14300. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Campobello-type islands
       Here is nice areal photo of the artificial island called Peberholm and not Peberholmen. Sorry, my mistake. http://www.taarnbynet.dk/oeresund.htm Jesper ...
       Jun 07, 2004 @ 19:58 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14301. Re: bachelors of pointing all
       thanx pal for these stunning remarks wonderful that so many of us could converge for such a happy occasion & if anyone is ever too puzzled about anything here
       Jun 07, 2004 @ 22:17 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14302. Re: Campobello-type islands
       ... wow i see no lack in it geoh but only the virtue of having elicited such weird answers since i rather doubt any more exact campobello mates will be found
       Jun 07, 2004 @ 22:27 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14303. Re: Campobello-type islands
       ... You doubt that out of the 130+ adjacent continental coastal maritime boundaries that we cannot find even one more Campobello clone??? ... Not my intention
       Jun 08, 2004 @ 00:39 - geoh88 ("geoh88" <geoh88@...>)
14304. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Campobello-type islands
       heres a nice explanation of the project around peberholm (or Pepparholm). http://www.ub.es/medame/oresund1.html regards, chris ... From: Jesper Nielsen To:
       Jun 08, 2004 @ 01:25 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
14305. Re: Campobello-type islands
       ... maritime ... clone??? well it is just that such a thing would most likely have been reported here already if it actually existed the present & recent
       Jun 08, 2004 @ 01:58 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14306. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Campobello-type islands
       First official royal border meeting on the Oresundsbro: http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/0007/01/pompa.html Jesper ... From: chris schulz To:
       Jun 08, 2004 @ 06:18 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14307. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Campobello-type islands
       ... It would consider that it s effectively a separate country/state, particularly since there are immigration controls between the UK and Gibraltar. It s
       Jun 08, 2004 @ 07:13 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
14308. taiwan daring to fully inflate its national territory
       http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2004/06/02/2003157898
       Jun 08, 2004 @ 19:03 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14309. Re: Gibraltar
       Kevin, thanks for the recap. Just reinforces the status of Gibraltar as the worst geopolitical pimple on the face of the earth since Hong Kong and Macao became
       Jun 08, 2004 @ 22:14 - geoh88 ("geoh88" <geoh88@...>)
14310. Re: Campobello-type islands
       ... Why not Britain? See my reply to Kevin Maynell, subject: Gibraltar. Why not Penon? Because it s not an island. ... I hope so.
       Jun 08, 2004 @ 22:27 - geoh88 ("geoh88" <geoh88@...>)
14311. Re: Campobello-type islands
       ... ahh i see no pimples allowed is that it well ok it was your quest ... again clearly sometimes it is an island or i wouldnt have mentioned it the causeway
       Jun 08, 2004 @ 23:41 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14312. Nations within countries
       Peers, This may be slightly off topic, and if you find it to be just please ignore. I am curious of the status of certain native-american communities. Could
       Jun 09, 2004 @ 11:21 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
14313. Re: Nations within countries
       ... off what topic , and if you find it to ... of course it is just & ok if i do but why ... yes ... i believe about 560 tribes have been legally recognized as
       Jun 09, 2004 @ 13:04 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14314. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Nations within countries
       How many bottles of alcohol would you drink per day if you were a native Indian in the USA? Can you imagine how it feels to live in an occupied country? ...
       Jun 09, 2004 @ 13:28 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
14315. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gibraltar
       ... The Gibraltar situation is by no means unique within the EU. The Canary Islands (ES), Ceuta (ES), Melilla (ES), Aaland Islands (FI), Guadeloupe (FR),
       Jun 09, 2004 @ 13:44 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
14316. Re: Nations within countries
       hey welcome back dear stranger & some of my best drinking buddies are indians peyote buddies too & of course i can imagine since i have lived on several
       Jun 09, 2004 @ 13:57 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14317. they sure act like indians
       attached hopefully are news of the current week in the local indian wars now well into their 4th century of progress with our resident nimby tribe just minutes
       Jun 09, 2004 @ 14:36 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@hotmail.com>)
14318. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gibraltar
       ... I have long been of the opinion that external territories/dependencies should be identified by their specific ISO 3166-1 entry for geopolitical/geophysical
       Jun 09, 2004 @ 14:56 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
14319. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Nations within countries
       Ernst, As Mike has already told you, the situation varies widely among the different Amerindian sovereignties. The larger ones tend to denominate themselves
       Jun 09, 2004 @ 15:51 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14320. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Nations within countries
       I ve had some of the same questions. My mother is 1/32 Cherokee, which I believe allows her to be recognized by the US government as a Cherokee if she chose
       Jun 09, 2004 @ 16:09 - Eric Choate (Eric Choate <choatune@...>)
14321. Re: they sure act like indians
       yikes & apologies for the bum scans but anyway here are the skinnies with lots of grist for several of your questions mats first tho positioned second on
       Jun 09, 2004 @ 16:32 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14322. Re: Nations within countries
       ... yes & of course the matter of exactly who recognizes exactly who for exactly what purposes does vary widely ... thats jeddito visited in real time in
       Jun 09, 2004 @ 16:48 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14323. Re: Gibraltar
       i agree with & appreciate your ongoing effort to parse as well as keep everything straight for us especially where our beloved diglyphs are concerned but i
       Jun 09, 2004 @ 17:20 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14324. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Nations within countries
       Eric, Is your Cherokee descent from Oklahoma or the East? The Oklahoma Cherokee require only descent (not a particular fraction) from an enrolled member in
       Jun 09, 2004 @ 18:07 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14325. Re: Nations within countries
       ... You have already received several responses to these questions. What hasn t been mentioned yet is that (at least here in the Southwestern part of the USA)
       Jun 09, 2004 @ 18:28 - geoh88 ("geoh88" <geoh88@...>)
14326. bird droppings
       Some of the territories administered by the USA were acquired under the Guano Act.I have read the act,and I have seen numerous references;however,I can not
       Jun 09, 2004 @ 19:51 - raedwulf16 ("raedwulf16" <raedwulf16@...>)
14327. Old intra-soviet enclaves - who knows more?
       I have just seen in an old soviet world atlas (1954) some enclaves of soviet republics that I didn t know of before, and that I have never seen on any other
       Jun 09, 2004 @ 20:01 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
14328. Re: bird droppings
       Funny you should ask. Last week I spent several days reading The Great Guano Rush by Jimmy M. Skaggs (St. Martin s Press, New York, 1994), trying to answer
       Jun 09, 2004 @ 20:26 - geoh88 ("geoh88" <geoh88@...>)
14329. Re: bird droppings
       geoh88, Thanks.I really do appreciate your efforts!! --- In ... under ... islands ... for ... list? ...
       Jun 09, 2004 @ 20:36 - raedwulf16 ("raedwulf16" <raedwulf16@...>)
14330. Re: taiwan daring to fully inflate its national territory
       Just an amazing number of exceptionally obviously ridiculous misstatements of geographical and political facts : Spratlys 70 km north of Hong Kong??????? Next
       Jun 09, 2004 @ 21:13 - geoh88 ("geoh88" <geoh88@...>)
14331. maritime tripoints
       I remember a recent reference to a list of maritime tripoints contained in a message from long ago. I m going (more) nuts trying to find it. Can anyone help me
       Jun 09, 2004 @ 21:31 - geoh88 ("geoh88" <geoh88@...>)
14332. competing "Factbooks"
       Does anyone know of any government besides the USA which publishes (either online or on paper) anything equivalent to the CIA World Factbook; the essence being
       Jun 09, 2004 @ 21:51 - geoh88 ("geoh88" <geoh88@...>)
14333. Re: maritime tripoints
       ... the best census of the eez tripoints both actual & theoretical tho not technically a list is in the bp file entitled international boundaries xls where as
       Jun 09, 2004 @ 23:18 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14334. Re: taiwan daring to fully inflate its national territory
       right & glad someone is paying attention too but i cant answer your island question other than to confirm it with this map
       Jun 09, 2004 @ 23:47 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14335. Re: maritime tripoints
       Thanks for the quick reply and the useful xrefs. I ll be checking these out as time permits. ... 6415 ... ones
       Jun 10, 2004 @ 00:44 - geoh88 ("geoh88" <geoh88@...>)
14336. Re: competing "Factbooks"
       ... i dont think anything else like the cia factbook exists let alone on so grand a scale & under such constant revision but again that is only because nothing
       Jun 10, 2004 @ 00:46 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14337. Soviet enclaves
       Peter, I have seen these too in early editions of Atlas Mira, the Soviet world atlas. They appear to have disappeared in the 50s. I think there were fairly
       Jun 10, 2004 @ 01:04 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
14338. Re: bird droppings
       Guano islands: here goes. I don t have a scanner, so I can t give you the whole appendix. It s pages 230-236. The Great Guano Rush Jimmy M. Skaggs St. Martin s
       Jun 10, 2004 @ 01:43 - geoh88 ("geoh88" <geoh88@...>)
14339. Re: Nations within countries
       Really small recognized tribes are called Pueblos - a third form of nation . Pueblos have the same status as recognized tribes; the ones I have had
       Jun 10, 2004 @ 03:10 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
14340. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: bird droppings
       ¡Bravo! Superb work, Geoh88! Worthy of the acclaim of the BP masses! Two very small corrections: Bajo Nuevo (Petrel) is claimed by Jamaica, not Colombia.
       Jun 10, 2004 @ 04:06 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14341. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Nations within countries
       Yes, you are correct about pueblos. There are also a few modifiers used with tribe in the name of some groups. The Kickapoo Traditional Tribe of Texas is
       Jun 10, 2004 @ 05:06 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14342. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Nations within countries
       ... There was an interesting feature on Indian gambling in the December 16, 2002 issue of Time magazine. This appears to be available online, although it s pay
       Jun 10, 2004 @ 08:30 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
14343. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gibraltar
       ... IMO, you have to separate the realm from the political units. The Virgin Islands are demonstratively American, but not an integral part of the United
       Jun 10, 2004 @ 12:29 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
14344. Re: Interstate Mullet Toss
       & here at last delivering after 40 days & 40 nights on message 14087 http://www.garringer.net/foam/archives/images/Flora-Bamma.gif is a pic of the alleyway
       Jun 10, 2004 @ 12:43 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14345. Re: Gibraltar
       ... hahahaha well you brits may account however you like for your british virgins & your british gibraltar & your entire british realm & all its variegated
       Jun 10, 2004 @ 13:30 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14346. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Gibraltar
       ... While the contortions of the EU as to what and where their various rules do and do not apply are quite amusing to us Americans, we have our own
       Jun 10, 2004 @ 15:03 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14347. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gibraltar
       Lowell/Mike, ... And it becomes harder to understand when people consider the various appendages to be a single political unit. ... My point exactly. It could
       Jun 10, 2004 @ 15:42 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
14348. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gibraltar
       Lowell/Mike, ... One thing I forget to add, although I appreciate we re starting to get off-topic here... The fundamental reason that many of the European
       Jun 10, 2004 @ 16:00 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
14349. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gibraltar
       Kevin, I agree completely that what is integral or not in various countries is for the various countries to determine. Let each make it s own rules. That is
       Jun 10, 2004 @ 16:32 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14350. unmee wings it still optimizing djeret try
       our creative trypointing stalwarts take a break to administer some drought relief & report in we are optimistic because we are here
       Jun 10, 2004 @ 16:35 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14351. Mouse Roars Today on Wall St.
       http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2004/06/10/ financial0858EDT0034.DTL
       Jun 10, 2004 @ 16:59 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14352. Re: Gibraltar
       ... kevin &al you know full well there is no longer any topic here that we could start to get off of or onto it is true we used to have a topic & it was a
       Jun 10, 2004 @ 18:08 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14353. Re: bird droppings
       what a very special work you have done...thank you so much...muchas,muchas gracias ...raedwulf --- In ... pulled ... count, ...
       Jun 10, 2004 @ 19:52 - raedwulf16 ("raedwulf16" <raedwulf16@...>)
14354. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Gibraltar
       Somehow I doubt the post office would be unable to deliver mail to the proper places even with Republic of Palau. CIA and State give the mailing address of
       Jun 10, 2004 @ 20:02 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14355. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Gibraltar
       For the USPS position, go to http://www.usps.com/zip4/citytown.htm , enter the zip code 96940, and click Submit. I think first-class mail would get there no
       Jun 10, 2004 @ 20:25 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14356. Re: bird droppings
       Thanks for the bravo and the corrections. But mainly thanks for the link to Cartage; I had never stumbled across it. ... masses! ... Jamaica, not ... claimed
       Jun 10, 2004 @ 21:33 - geoh88 ("geoh88" <geoh88@...>)
14357. Re: competing "Factbooks"
       ... any ... If you take the table of contents of the Factbook, and eliminate the few listings for the oceans and the world, you re left with an alphabetical
       Jun 10, 2004 @ 22:06 - geoh88 ("geoh88" <geoh88@...>)
14358. Re: Gibraltar
       ... for ... the ... Amen, brother.
       Jun 10, 2004 @ 22:08 - geoh88 ("geoh88" <geoh88@...>)
14359. Re: Gibraltar
       ... names Amen again.
       Jun 10, 2004 @ 22:11 - geoh88 ("geoh88" <geoh88@...>)
14360. Re: Gibraltar
       ... various rules ... various ... Especially when little heed is paid to where the BOUNDARIES are which geographically separate what may or may not be
       Jun 10, 2004 @ 22:18 - geoh88 ("geoh88" <geoh88@...>)
14361. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: bird droppings
       It should be noted that the Cartage site is not up-to-date on Palmyra. The Fullard-Leo family, which had owned Palmyra since 1922, sold it to The Nature
       Jun 10, 2004 @ 22:51 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14362. Re: Gibraltar
       hahahaha et tu theia off the map & the wall you are but how did you learn to talk like this too next thing everyone will be doing it & i will have to start
       Jun 11, 2004 @ 03:13 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
14363. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Gibraltar
       Unacceptable does not mean that mail won t be delivered. What it means is that it does not match the default name for that city/state combination. You will
       Jun 11, 2004 @ 06:18 - Asher Samuels (Asher Samuels <asher972@...>)
14364. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Gibraltar
       That is almost correct. There is an acceptable default city name for each individual zip code, however there are often other names that are acceptable as well
       Jun 11, 2004 @ 06:43 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14365. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gibraltar
       ... I was under the illusion that boundaries exist because political units exist. If those are misunderstood, then the boundaries are equally likely to be
       Jun 11, 2004 @ 13:56 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
14366. Re: Gibraltar
       ... But my dear Master of Illusion & Doctor of Misunderstanding ... ... what makes you suppose they are needed for anything
       Jun 11, 2004 @ 20:37 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14367. mouse roar put down to poverty & ignorance
       but downer takes a header still laboring under delusion 14099 uncorrected by 14130 http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200406/s1130389.htm
       Jun 11, 2004 @ 21:12 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14368. additional resources?
       Noticing that the files area is well over 90% full, I m wondering if there is some other area of BP that I ve missed which contains files which had to be
       Jun 11, 2004 @ 21:49 - geoh88 ("geoh88" <geoh88@...>)
14369. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gibraltar
       Saint-Martin is part of Guadeloupe, an overseas department of France. Yet the area (1780 sq km) is not included in France (547,030 sq km) - it even notes this
       Jun 11, 2004 @ 22:30 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14370. Re: [BoundaryPoint] additional resources?
       No, not since the beginning, but since September 2003 (and also from July 2000 to April 2001): http://news.gmane.org/gmane.culture.discuss.boundary-point ...
       Jun 11, 2004 @ 22:43 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14371. Tripoints and Tripointers and Tripointees
       Starting as least as far back as message 11645 (I didn t go back farther) and continuing right up to the past few days, there has been discussion of proper
       Jun 11, 2004 @ 23:25 - geoh88 ("geoh88" <geoh88@...>)
14372. Re: additional resources?
       the question was about the files area the files per se are believed to be complete to date & never diminished gmane is just a partial rescue system for lost
       Jun 12, 2004 @ 03:08 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14373. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: additional resources?
       Yes but I believe the lack of ample storage space in the files section has led to more sharing of files via message attachments. At least on my end, I don t
       Jun 12, 2004 @ 04:01 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14374. Re: Tripoints and Tripointers and Tripointees
       geoh there are too many questions here to answer all at once & more mistaken assumptions about us with all due respect than may ever be corrected but i will
       Jun 12, 2004 @ 06:46 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14375. Re: egiljo
       from msg 14195 of 26 may ... & by careful plotting & measurement on the best available map http://sunsite.berkeley.edu:8085/israel/50k/08-36-094-4.jpg the
       Jun 13, 2004 @ 03:02 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14376. Re: Tripoints and Tripointers and Tripointees
       also geoh since you are advancing backward so well may i also suggest simultaneously backing forward because these minutes of the first week of proceedings
       Jun 13, 2004 @ 14:01 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14377. lammth golden triangle tripoint revisited
       the laos myanmar thailand tripoint lammth at the confluence of the mekong & nam kok rivers somewhere alongside the village of sob ruak thailand
       Jun 13, 2004 @ 22:42 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
14378. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Five Corners, ME times three
       Traffic nightmare...but looks like fun! Ring of rings! :) ... http://www.armin-grewe.com/holiday/wiltshire/swindon-roundabout.htm ...
       Jun 15, 2004 @ 03:56 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14379. [No Subject]
       
       Jun 15, 2004 @ 17:29 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14380. Re: Five Corners, ME times three
       ... fun for sure & while it may have been for some a nightmare for me it was a perfect wet dream since having once again invoked my guiding principle of when
       Jun 15, 2004 @ 17:29 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14381. Re: [BoundaryPoint] (unknown)
       Yes, it is unknown if yahoo, who effective today upgraded free users mailbox capacities to a whopping 100 megabytes, will carry this generosity over to yahoo
       Jun 15, 2004 @ 23:10 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14382. Re: (unknown)
       ... well i guess one way for this to become known is for us to test the message stacking capacity again & compare our result against the last time we tried it
       Jun 16, 2004 @ 01:58 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14383. Re: (unknown)
       ... ok well fortunately i do have something somewhat pertinent that i can add to this multidimensional try which it is worth noting already embraces magic
       Jun 16, 2004 @ 17:00 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14384. cninmm was Re: (unknown) etc
       ... for cnlamm ... time ... http://www.nexus.net/~911gfx/vietnam/maps/nf47-12/nf47_12c.ht ml ... nan la ho ... other laos ...
       Jun 16, 2004 @ 21:08 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14385. cninmm was Re: (unknown) etc
       some corrections may be in order before continuing to stack this & fresh pointing is more fun than retesting our capacity anyway but first the present try in a
       Jun 17, 2004 @ 03:11 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14386. What tripoints to visit in Europe for the next after the next expedition
       Hopefully, not a wild idea... what about a Great Balkan Border Expedition? With all the divisions of the former Yugoslavia, I counted 8 tripoints, and if you
       Jun 17, 2004 @ 19:03 - pete2784west ("pete2784west" <pete2784west@...>)
14387. Re: What tripoints to visit in Europe for the next after the next expedition
       ... Well, sure - why not...?! However, the GSEEBE next May will visit some of these tripoints...the itinerary will be brought to every- body s attention
       Jun 17, 2004 @ 19:56 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
14388. eritrea introduces new tactic to advance djeret try
       in another brilliant stroke of mirror image diplomacy a runoff channel has been installed by asmara to divert the axworthy back channel without actually axing
       Jun 17, 2004 @ 22:13 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14389. Re: What tripoints to visit in Europe for the next after the next expedition
       bravo boss & we are counting on you as usual for your exemplary collaboration & extreme cooperation who are the players this year ... visit ... getting
       Jun 17, 2004 @ 22:30 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14390. bwnazmzw bridge dream now 25 years old
       as a companion bridge is dedicated on the nazm border just up the zambezi from bwnazmzw some clues about what might be taking so long at kazungula
       Jun 18, 2004 @ 13:25 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14391. Re: [BoundaryPoint] bwnazmzw bridge dream now 25 years old
       Didn t someone on BP just go there?? Where are the pictures? Jesper ... From: aletheiak To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 3:25 PM
       Jun 18, 2004 @ 15:52 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14392. CZDE ?
       CZDE was before the fall of communism two borders: a CZ-EDE and a CZ-WDE. And pre-WW2 there were no borders there, right? So I asume they were demarcated
       Jun 18, 2004 @ 16:17 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14393. Re: CZDE ?
       ... CZ-WDE. ... own system. ... and two types of demarcation? ... You probably mean GDR-FRG when you say that before WW2 there was no border (before 1938, CZDE
       Jun 18, 2004 @ 18:41 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
14394. Re: CZDE ?
       ... CZ-EDE and a CZ-WDE. ... it looks like they were there then too by & large & it seems the changes made during ww2 didnt outlive the war & that the postwar
       Jun 18, 2004 @ 18:50 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14395. Re: bwnazmzw bridge dream now 25 years old
       yes thats henry & grant but they keep disappearing ... years old ... up ... bridge ... of Service.
       Jun 18, 2004 @ 18:52 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14396. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CZDE ?
       Or here: http://www.e-dovolena.cz/clanky/200310_tiptrojmezi.html Possible CEBT destination. Jesper ... From: aletheiak To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent:
       Jun 18, 2004 @ 19:19 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14397. Re: CZDE ?
       ... I ve been there, and I m sure some other BP members have been there as well. I have posted some links to pictures of it before, but can t remember when and
       Jun 18, 2004 @ 19:23 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
14398. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CZDE ?
       From 1938-1945 Sudetenland was part of Germany (http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Sudetenland), so the CS-DE pre WW2 had to be different to the post WW2 CS-WDE
       Jun 18, 2004 @ 19:32 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14399. Re: CZDE ?
       ... (http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Sudetenland), so the CS-DE pre WW2 had to be different to the post WW2 CS-WDE & CS-EDE. ... I could image a double
       Jun 18, 2004 @ 19:37 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
14400. Re: CZDE ?
       ... ... remember ... These were messages 6778 and 6779. The links were http://mujweb.atlas.cz/www/CaCua/CaCuaPhotos.htm , click on podzimní
       Jun 18, 2004 @ 20:15 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
14401. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CZDE ?
       Looks like and old CD maker changed to S. Do you know the excact location of the tp? Jesper ... From: Peter Smaardijk To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent:
       Jun 18, 2004 @ 20:48 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14402. Re: CZDE ? -> post 1938
       ... ... WW2 ... But this is another interesting subject, Jesper. How was the CZDE border defined after Munich 1938? Of course, this border
       Jun 18, 2004 @ 20:49 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
14403. Re: CZDE ?
       ... See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/6780 ... Yes. In the middle of the brook, in between the markers at
       Jun 18, 2004 @ 20:52 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
14404. Re: CZDE ?
       ... ... The old link isn t operative anymore. The old situation can be seen at http://www.peper.privat.t-online.de/bike1.html By the way, I
       Jun 18, 2004 @ 21:07 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
14405. Re: CZDE ?
       Another link: http://www.grenzerinnerungen.de/dreilaendereck.htm Peter S
       Jun 18, 2004 @ 21:29 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
14406. Re: eritrea introduces new tactic to advance djeret try
       important clarifications http://www.eritreadaily.net/news/article0618041.htm
       Jun 18, 2004 @ 21:46 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14407. Games across border
       http://www.euborder.soton.ac.uk/commun02a.htm Divided town of Gorizia-Nova Gorica (ITSI) Jesper
       Jun 19, 2004 @ 12:45 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14408. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CZDE ?
       I have the modest honor to say that I have been to the place last year in June and took some pictures of the former tripoint CS-GDR-FRG. I have posted two of
       Jun 19, 2004 @ 14:05 - Petter Brabec (=?iso-8859-1?q?Petter=20Brabec?= <pete2784west@...>)
14409. Campobello Island
       We are heading into the final stretch of an election campaign in Canada. Here is a story from the Globe and Mail about Campobello Island, NB. Canadians with
       Jun 19, 2004 @ 17:07 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
14410. Re: Campobello Island
       meanwhile to hear the other shoe drop http://tinyurl.com/2rng3 http://topozone.com/map.asp?lat=26.05583&lon=-97.88972 for starters & then zoom out to see the
       Jun 20, 2004 @ 10:43 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14411. Re: CZDE ?
       thanx petter & i agree ghost pointing is a modest honor but remember you were also visiting the living binational tristate point czde2babosa & theres nothing
       Jun 20, 2004 @ 14:56 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14412. Re: Games across border
       so where are the games do you mean like fun & games & playing stuff like this http://www.namco.co.jp/asobi/index-e.html
       Jun 20, 2004 @ 15:17 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14413. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BH enclave in YU???
       http://tinyurl.com/2uays its not of very excellent quality, but at least a second source. regards, chris ... From: Michael Kaufman To:
       Jun 20, 2004 @ 15:46 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
14414. Hans Island: soon a CAGL dispute?
       http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20040620/lf_afp/greenland_denmark_anniversary_040620221605
       Jun 22, 2004 @ 05:19 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14415. DKITSE dispute
       http://www.foxsportsworld.com/content/view?contentId=2504426 hope it will be settled tonight! Jesper
       Jun 22, 2004 @ 05:27 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14416. tripoints mentioned in the news
       http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?c=4&t=1&id=7128 also the world affairs yearbook of china mentioned in the above article is evidently what geoh was
       Jun 22, 2004 @ 06:38 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14417. but how could tides change a border
       http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2004/s1137965.htm but http://www.law.fsu.edu/library/collection/LimitsinSeas/IBS164.pdf says the border has been well
       Jun 22, 2004 @ 17:58 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14418. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Campobello Island
       Now the Horcon Tract, Rio Rico is completely part of Mexico - 1970 treaty. http://www.ibwc.state.gov/wad/rioproj.htm #5 paragraph 3 ...
       Jun 22, 2004 @ 20:06 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14419. Re: tripoints mentioned in the news
       Thanks for the heads up regarding World Affairs Yearbook of China. It certainly may be possible that it has what I was asking about in message 14332, but I
       Jun 22, 2004 @ 23:06 - geoh88 ("geoh88" <geoh88@...>)
14420. Re: tripoints mentioned in the news
       youre welcome & i think the difficulty in googling even any faint references to this book must be owing to the fact that it & they are all in chinese but
       Jun 23, 2004 @ 02:30 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14421. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CZDE ?
       Topo of CSDEeDEw: http://tinyurl.com/yrnbp Jesper ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 6:17 PM Subject:
       Jun 23, 2004 @ 04:39 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14422. Re: tripoints mentioned in the news
       ... this ... book ... Currently working link to the multi-lingual site of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the People s Republic of China
       Jun 23, 2004 @ 18:42 - geoh88 ("geoh88" <geoh88@...>)
14423. Re: [BoundaryPoint] cninmm was Re: (unknown) etc
       I rob on, a Wasp bar of E-fact ensues, use US net cafe for a BP sawanobori. Meaning: I continue my pilfering ways, and one of my victims is graphic designer
       Jun 24, 2004 @ 00:55 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14424. Re: [BoundaryPoint] cninmm was Re: (unknown) etc
       url minus ). http://www.designdirectory.co.uk/graphics2/efact.htm ... (http://www.designdirectory.co.uk/graphics2/efact.htm). ...
       Jun 24, 2004 @ 01:37 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14425. unknown again was cninmm was Re: (unknown) etc
       ahh very tastefully done as usual maestro & i was so hoping i wouldnt have to stack it all by myself too yet according to my calculations we are still only
       Jun 24, 2004 @ 06:02 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14426. Re: Yahoo!
       
       Jun 24, 2004 @ 08:11 - Rpalmber ("Rpalmber" <rpalmber@abo.fi>)
14427. Re: Yahoo! - VIRUS - Don't open Rolfs Mail!
       Hi, dont open Rolfs Mail, the attachment seems to be Virus Bagle.Z Regards, Chris ... From: Rpalmber To: BoundaryPoint Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 10:11 AM
       Jun 24, 2004 @ 10:00 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
14428. unknown again was cninmm was Re: (unknown) etc
       & still hearing no objection to our lengthy excursion yet mike i cant help wondering out loud anyway re this your latest essay in literary multidimensional
       Jun 24, 2004 @ 16:53 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14429. elusive virgin etkesd is ogled by scholars too
       the fabulous tripoint of ethiopia with kenya & sudan formerly situated on the north shore of a vanishing lake rudolf & so now lost in a salt flat somewhere
       Jun 24, 2004 @ 22:15 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
14430. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Campobello Island
       Now the Horcon Tract, Rio Rico is completely part of Mexico - 1970 treaty. http://www.ibwc.state.gov/wad/rioproj.htm #5 paragraph 3 ...
       Jun 25, 2004 @ 03:58 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14431. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Campobello Island
       Now the Horcon Tract, Rio Rico is completely part of Mexico - 1970 treaty. http://www.ibwc.state.gov/wad/rioproj.htm #5 paragraph 3 ...
       Jun 25, 2004 @ 03:58 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14432. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Campobello Island
       Now the Horcon Tract, Rio Rico is completely part of Mexico - 1970 treaty. http://www.ibwc.state.gov/wad/rioproj.htm #5 paragraph 3 ...
       Jun 25, 2004 @ 03:59 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14433. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Campobello Island
       Now the Horcon Tract, Rio Rico is completely part of Mexico - 1970 treaty. http://www.ibwc.state.gov/wad/rioproj.htm #5 paragraph 3 ...
       Jun 25, 2004 @ 04:04 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14434. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Campobello Island
       Now the Horcon Tract, Rio Rico is completely part of Mexico - 1970 treaty. http://www.ibwc.state.gov/wad/rioproj.htm #5 paragraph 3 ...
       Jun 25, 2004 @ 04:24 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14435. Oops!
       Sorry about that. But prior attempts at the email post were unsuccessful. Surprised to see that it came through here so many times as my mail kept giving me
       Jun 25, 2004 @ 04:35 - Michael Kaufman ("Michael Kaufman" <mikekaufman79@...>)
14436. Re: Oops!
       yikes but your message 14418 landed perfectly several days ago btw the reason topozone still thinks rio rico is in texas notwithstanding all your valiant
       Jun 25, 2004 @ 10:18 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14437. Hidden message
       
       Jun 25, 2004 @ 17:18 - Rpalmber ("Rpalmber" <rpalmber@abo.fi>)
14438. Tripoint Bulgaria-Turkey-Greece
       I have just received a Bulgarian road atlas with a scale 1:200 000. On the map, it seems that the tripoint is located either on a little island in hte middle
       Jun 25, 2004 @ 18:08 - pete2784west ("pete2784west" <pete2784west@...>)
14439. Re: Tripoint Bulgaria-Turkey-Greece
       exciting indeed when last heard from in message 1450 bggrtr is supposed to be in the middle of this river aka maritsa possibly on the thalweg & is witnessed on
       Jun 25, 2004 @ 19:11 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14440. congressional djeret try advances as mugabe is called in too
       http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-06/26/content_1547810.htm but is this to blunt or duck kofis axworthy maneuver or is it something else again meanwhile
       Jun 25, 2004 @ 20:04 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
14441. Re: Tripoint Bulgaria-Turkey-Greece
       We hope to see a scan of this map very soon! This is a map posted here previously. It s from the zone close to the tripoint:
       Jun 25, 2004 @ 20:20 - marcelmiquelcat ("marcelmiquelcat" <marcelmiquel@...>)
14442. new spratly emcee needed
       http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/FF26Ae02.html includes some other previously unreported developments too
       Jun 25, 2004 @ 20:24 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14443. kofi himself will join djeret try in asmara next week
       no mention of his special envoy axworthy tho nor of the new eritrean special envoy to the special envoy http://www.eritreadaily.net/news/article0625043.htm but
       Jun 26, 2004 @ 11:26 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14444. yesss bc bud is moving east at last
       http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/duluthsuperior/news/local/9018783.htm __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB
       Jun 26, 2004 @ 11:40 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
14445. bggrtr try continues
       the foto at lower left http://home.cestovatel.cz/bart/02turecko/foto_a.php3 is evidently the turkish side of the kapikule border gate mentioned in message 1450
       Jun 26, 2004 @ 13:39 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
14446. Re:ALMKYU
       titled above & appended below is message 8599 of 10jan03 from our resident macedonian border official & therefore as authoritative an opinion as can be & tho
       Jun 26, 2004 @ 17:07 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14447. Re: elusive virgin etkesd is ogled by scholars too
       ... Ëîó Ñàíä Õèëî, Lou Sand Khilo, which doesn t mean anything in Russian so may be just a local name.
       Jun 26, 2004 @ 18:22 - P. Joost Lemmens ("P. Joost Lemmens" <joostik@...>)
14448. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re:ALMKYU
       keudya-eh-preftet and pogr. post. sherupa essentially meaning the Sherupa frontier post / frontier guard building ...
       Jun 26, 2004 @ 18:45 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14449. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: elusive virgin etkesd is ogled by scholars too
       http://mapy.mk.cvut.cz/data/Afrika-Africa/Sudan-Etiopie_100k/jpeg_files/02-36-36.jpg ... From: P. Joost Lemmens To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent:
       Jun 26, 2004 @ 18:54 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14450. Libyan tps
       DZLYTN: http://mapy.mk.cvut.cz/data/Libie-Libya/english/map1-11.jpg DZLYNE & LYNETD: http://mapy.mk.cvut.cz/data/Libie-Libya/english/map1-31.jpg LYSDTD &
       Jun 26, 2004 @ 20:04 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14451. BYPLRU map with surprise
       Do with know anything about the enclave? Jesper
       Jun 26, 2004 @ 20:27 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
14452. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BYPLRU map with surprise
       Oone of the countries must be the Ukraine. There s no BYPLRU tripoint because theres no PLRU border in the East, only in the North with a tripoint RULTPL. So I
       Jun 26, 2004 @ 21:48 - Alqaszar ("Alqaszar" <alqaszar@...>)
14454. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BYPLRU map with surprise
       Sorry, for my mistake. It s offcourse BYRUUA. Jesper ... From: Alqaszar To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 11:48 PM Subject: Re:
       Jun 26, 2004 @ 21:56 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14455. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BYPLRU map with surprise
       On Rolf Palmberg s ENCLAVES OF THE WORLD page at http://www.vasa.abo.fi/users/rpalmber/enclaves.htm it says: The two-village Russian exclave of
       Jun 27, 2004 @ 01:01 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14456. Re: [BoundaryPoint] unknown again was cninmm was Re: (unknown) etc
       heh heh I use the commas for a couple of reasons. I didn t like the way the semicolons looked (as in the stark separations they caused). Also, if you put in
       Jun 27, 2004 @ 06:37 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14457. unknown again was cninmm was Re: (unknown) etc
       hahaha & good thing i asked if i understood it right hahaha for as usual i did assume i was the implied subject of your pals & so now at last their true
       Jun 27, 2004 @ 15:07 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14458. Re: Thanks :)
       
       Jun 27, 2004 @ 18:16 - Rpalmber ("Rpalmber" <rpalmber@abo.fi>)
14459. unknown again was cninmm was Re: (unknown) etc
       http://www.elbaramalho.com.br/ela/fotos/foto36_gr.jpg oh la marable was i ere i saw elba ramalho http://www.jazzozieri.com/LaranceMarable.htm on another hand
       Jun 27, 2004 @ 22:05 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14460. Forum notify
       
       Jun 27, 2004 @ 23:34 - Rpalmber ("Rpalmber" <rpalmber@abo.fi>)
14461. RE: Protected message
       
       Jun 28, 2004 @ 08:19 - Rpalmber ("Rpalmber" <rpalmber@abo.fi>)
14462. Re: BYPLRU map with surprise (turns out to be San'kovo-Medvež'e)
       That s the one! Cf. the map at Jan s site: http://geosite.jankrogh.com/sankova_medvezhe.htm Peter S. ... in Belarus, halfway between the Belarussian city of
       Jun 28, 2004 @ 08:20 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
14463. Re: BYPLRU map with surprise (turns out to be San'kovo-Medvez 'e)
       so then was it a surprise not to recognize the clave or the tripoint glad to see rolf playing a more active role in the group lately too he shares the world
       Jun 28, 2004 @ 14:00 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14464. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CZDE ? -> post 1938
       ... border of the Sudetenland? On the base of existing internal Czech borders perhaps? No. On the basis of the treaty of Munich 1938 Hitler made a census.
       Jun 28, 2004 @ 18:37 - Joseph Hornykewycz ("Joseph Hornykewycz" <joseph.hornykewycz@...>)
14465. Re: CZDE ? -> post 1938
       OK, thanks. But still on the basis of the lowest-level internal boundaries then, of course, because you can t speak of villages with a certain percentage of
       Jun 28, 2004 @ 17:01 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
14466. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CZDE ? -> post 1938
       As a matter of fact, during that census a lot of czechs declared themselves as germanophone, because they expected benefits from belonging to the 3. Reich. As
       Jun 28, 2004 @ 19:18 - Joseph Hornykewycz ("Joseph Hornykewycz" <joseph.hornykewycz@...>)
14467. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CZDE ? -> post 1938
       §5 of the Munich Pact: The international commission referred to in paragraph 3 will determine the territories in which a plebiscite is to be held. These
       Jun 28, 2004 @ 19:39 - Joseph Hornykewycz ("Joseph Hornykewycz" <joseph.hornykewycz@...>)
14468. Re: CZDE ? -> post 1938
       Do I interpret this text right in that there are territories that are handed over to Germany without a plebiscite, and other territories, mentioned in par. 5,
       Jun 28, 2004 @ 17:44 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
14469. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CZDE ? -> post 1938
       Generally the plebiscite was held everywhere (with a few exceptions eg. Prague). Municipalities with less than 50% Germanophones which lay within a territory
       Jun 28, 2004 @ 20:21 - Joseph Hornykewycz ("Joseph Hornykewycz" <joseph.hornykewycz@...>)
14470. Rolf
       Rolf has asked me to tell you that he is not responsible for the virus sent - someone is using his address to distribute virus to the group. It appears to be
       Jun 28, 2004 @ 19:51 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14471. Re: CZDE ? -> post 1938
       ... eg. ... territory ... part of the ... the ... be very, ... concerning ... I understand. ... the ... I am very interested. If you would take the trouble to
       Jun 28, 2004 @ 20:29 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
14472. Re: [BoundaryPoint] unknown again was cninmm was Re: (unknown) etc
       Remarkable Elba Kramer: http://www.jambase.com/search.asp?bandID=20737 They ll be jammin starting in Jacksonville come January. For a pic of a Remarkable Elba
       Jun 29, 2004 @ 03:47 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14473. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CZDE ? -> post 1938
       ... Ok. A friend of mine wrote his master thesis about this topic, he has tons of material. Before the Munich Pact France financed the construction of hundreds
       Jun 29, 2004 @ 09:11 - Joseph Hornykewycz ("Joseph Hornykewycz" <joseph.hornykewycz@...>)
14474. Re: [BoundaryPoint] unknown again was cninmm was Re: (unknown) etc
       well this will be a definitive test then mike because my yahoo mailbox had already called it 93kb even before i began the present superimposition & no addition
       Jun 29, 2004 @ 15:00 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
14475. real bjneng try afoot
       imminent complete renovation of bjng promises earnest bjneng try http://www.afrol.com/articles/13474
       Jun 29, 2004 @ 16:37 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
14476. Re: Rolf
       ... virus sent - someone is using his address to distribute virus to the group. It appears to be sent from SONY.COM, whom I have notified of this abuse. ...
       Jun 29, 2004 @ 17:19 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14477. unknown again was cninmm was Re: (unknown) etc
       hahaha ok as you see below my new worlds record try got truncated from around 100kb down to about 12kb hahaha & youd think they would at least let me set a new
       Jun 29, 2004 @ 17:49 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14478. principled cnin tripoint 6pak talks enshrined
       http://www.tajanews.com/noqnews/nnqview.php?ArtID=4017
       Jun 29, 2004 @ 18:13 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14479. unknown again was cninmm was Re: (unknown) etc
       ... http://www.internationalboundarycommission.org/ibcpg2.htm visited by bp members in messages 496 & 3362
       Jun 29, 2004 @ 19:05 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14480. Possible tp secret
       This site contains many topomaps with possible tps like those I posted with Libya. http://mapy.mk.cvut.cz/news.htm Unfortunately the downloads are extremely
       Jun 29, 2004 @ 19:54 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14481. Divided building (DEFR) near DEFRLU
       This map http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/files/delu/DEFRLUBEDELU.PDF (last page) reveals apparenly that the small house between the last DEFR
       Jun 29, 2004 @ 20:08 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14482. Re: Divided building (DEFR) near DEFRLU
       well i realize how much you like divided objects & your link reminds me this delu river condo includes probably several to many islands on which we have been
       Jun 29, 2004 @ 20:50 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14483. SAOMYE demarcated?
       http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/040528/2004052816.html Jesper
       Jun 29, 2004 @ 21:18 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14484. Re: Possible tp secret
       i have a request too but it isnt about tripoints yikes i just got so excited to realize there are soviet topos of benin on which the dozen newfound bjng border
       Jun 29, 2004 @ 21:19 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14485. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Possible tp secrets
       Where do you see these arcs? Jesper ... From: aletheiak To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 11:19 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re:
       Jun 29, 2004 @ 21:28 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14486. FINOSE
       Rolf Palmberg has announced that he (and his wife) circumnavigated the FINOSE tripoint on 22 June 2004. Congrats Rolf, another one for you! The trip took 7,5
       Jun 29, 2004 @ 21:48 - Harry ten Veen (Harry ten Veen <h.ten.veen@...>)
14487. Re: SAOMYE demarcated?
       this may have been announced prematurely in message 8006 ... http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/040528/200405281 6.html
       Jun 29, 2004 @ 22:03 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14488. Re: FINOSE
       yesss bravissimos & no wonder the cosmos was heralding his triumph to us this gains rolf full & unqualified possession of our world class gold medal at 27
       Jun 29, 2004 @ 22:10 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14489. Re: Possible tp secrets
       they are mentioned in elaborate detail between the bottom of page 8 & the bottom of page 11 in
       Jun 29, 2004 @ 22:22 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14490. The Supremes declare Guantanamo to be U.S. territory 'till abandoned
       The Supreme Court website now has the decision posted in the case of the Guantanamo captives who have been held incommunicado there as the administration tried
       Jun 29, 2004 @ 22:23 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
14491. Re: The Supremes declare Guantanamo to be U.S. territory 'till abandoned
       please dont be fooled about what we supposedly see there is only one sovereignty & we all partake fully in it all this shading of sovereignty is a fiction & a
       Jun 29, 2004 @ 23:39 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14492. Re: [BoundaryPoint] FINOSE
       Congrats Rolf!! Pictures????? ... A bad day in television is still better than a good day in a cubicle.
       Jun 30, 2004 @ 00:47 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
14493. Four or five new enclaves?
       I don t think we ve discussed any of this before, but has enyone heard of or studied the border complexities between Chile, Bolivia and Peru? I came across a
       Jun 30, 2004 @ 03:58 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
14494. Re: Divided building (DEFR) near DEFRLU
       Maybe it s just me, but I don t see it, Jesper. The little squares are the border markers as far as I know, and the grey rectangle (a building) stops short of
       Jun 30, 2004 @ 09:11 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
14495. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Divided building (DEFR) near DEFRLU
       Building is the left most on this picture: http://www.vasa.abo.fi/users/rpalmber/FLG1.jpg See also attachments. Jesper ... From: Peter Smaardijk To:
       Jun 30, 2004 @ 18:10 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
14496. eelvru posts decimated by termites & beavers
       & more http://www.tol.cz/look/TOL/article.tpl?IdLanguage=1&IdPublication=4&NrIssue=71&NrSection=2&NrArticle=12312 __________________________________ Do you
       Jun 30, 2004 @ 18:37 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
14497. Re: [BoundaryPoint] eelvru posts decimated by termites & beavers
       Funny, It was writing to Rolf about EELVRU as I ran over an article about tps he wrote before GCEBE. He concluded the article saying EELVRU is expected to get
       Jun 30, 2004 @ 18:51 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14498. Re: Divided building (DEFR) near DEFRLU
       So maybe you re right! Time for a re-visit, then... Peter ... squares ... (a ... Keppeshausen ... area ... ...
       Jun 30, 2004 @ 19:15 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
14499. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Four or five new enclaves?
       Len, At http://tinyurl.com/34msm [find within that long page Boliviamar ] there s a Peruvian proposal for modernizing the 1992 agreements with Bolivia
       Jun 30, 2004 @ 22:53 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14500. Re: Peru/Bolivia/Chile
       ... I have a 1964 1:200,000 map of Ilo, a small town in Southern Peru. I d need to know what the beach used to be called to determine how close it is to Ilo
       Jul 01, 2004 @ 01:09 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
14501. Re: [BoundaryPoint] real bjneng try afoot
       Other 1st order arcs: MXUS Rio Grande, probably ITVA, and maybe DZLY near DZLYTN. I think there were more (maybe involving Niger) but could not find the
       Jul 01, 2004 @ 06:33 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14502. Tripoint AUT/SLO/IT
       Hi, I just uploaded an old photography (1930?) from the AUT/SLO/IT Tripoint: http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/groups/g_1947897/Iron+Curtain/tripoint.jpg?
       Jul 01, 2004 @ 12:09 - joseph_h001 ("joseph_h001" <joseph.hornykewycz@...>)
14503. Re: real bjneng try afoot
       ... right & i think very probably at least 2 dzly arcs including the one incorporating dzlytn rather than just near dzlytn per message 13466 &
       Jul 01, 2004 @ 14:26 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14504. Re: Tripoint AUT/SLO/IT
       evidently not in photos or files section yet could you check the url again please ... AUT/SLO/IT ...
       Jul 01, 2004 @ 14:35 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14505. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Tripoint AUT/SLO/IT
       Photos - Iron Curtain - tripoint.jpg ... Von: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com An: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Betreff:
       Jul 01, 2004 @ 17:18 - Joseph Hornykewycz ("Joseph Hornykewycz" <joseph.hornykewycz@...>)
14506. Re: eelvru posts decimated by termites & beavers
       well then maybe the beavers will be marking the tripoint with a dam built from all the posts so busy they are making their dams with kits too & youd think the
       Jul 01, 2004 @ 15:49 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14507. almost a quadrapoint...
       Hi, when taking a look at a tele-atlas of the Austrian/German border near the DE/AUT/CZ tripoint I saw something that look like an enclave or so (first
       Jul 01, 2004 @ 18:19 - Joseph Hornykewycz ("Joseph Hornykewycz" <joseph.hornykewycz@...>)
14508. Re: almost a quadrapoint...
       It is a meander of the Grosse Muehl river, which forms the border here. Peter S. ... near the ... (first ... you can ... Meters apart
       Jul 01, 2004 @ 16:31 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
14509. cnvn details & an extra autl roar
       cnvn divide passes hainan but stops short of the paracels http://www.vnagency.com.vn/NewsA.asp?LANGUAGE_ID=2&CATEGORY_ID=29&NEWS_ID=106778 oz looking better
       Jul 01, 2004 @ 16:46 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
14510. Re: but how could tides change a border
       ... http://www.law.fsu.edu/library/collection/LimitsinSeas/IBS164.pdf ... established ... high ... such ... there was http://www.iranmania.com/news/010704k.asp
       Jul 01, 2004 @ 17:00 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14511. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: SAOMYE demarcated?
       From the German survey company For the Main Border Point defining the dreilendereck I can tell you, that there was first the end of the border Saudi-Oman,
       Jul 01, 2004 @ 18:10 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14512. Re: real bjneng try afoot
       & just to try for completeness it looks like there may be yet another border arc on neng not far from bjneng with a radius of 100 miles so probably the largest
       Jul 01, 2004 @ 21:07 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14513. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Divided building (DEFR) near DEFRLU
       It was where we talked with a man about the lock. There was also a Magnum sign... Wasn t this where we found this marker as well:
       Jul 01, 2004 @ 23:02 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
14514. Old CSPL markers in UA; old internal DE marker in PL
       We ve seen them before, but they seem to be very popular: http://tinyurl.com/2xjus http://maluch.elka.pw.edu.pl/zdjatka/Czarn93/gorg.jpg
       Jul 01, 2004 @ 23:07 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
14515. Re: Divided building (DEFR) near DEFRLU
       ... a ... That looks very much like old DENE no. 1. I vaguely remember seeing it here, but I m not sure... Peter S.
       Jul 01, 2004 @ 23:09 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
14516. Re: Divided building (DEFR) near DEFRLU
       ... A what? ... Not Germany of course. Prussia-Netherlands, I mean. Peter S
       Jul 01, 2004 @ 23:14 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
14517. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Divided building (DEFR) near DEFRLU
       A sign for Magnum Ice Cream. ... ... ... A bad day in television is still better than a good day in a cubicle.
       Jul 01, 2004 @ 23:23 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
14518. Re: [BoundaryPoint] real bjneng try afoot
       Not sure, but isn t there some (at least one arc) in the border of Senegal and Gambia. As far as I thought, the Easternmost point is directly east of the
       Jul 01, 2004 @ 23:29 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
14519. world class border arc census was Re: real bjneng try afoot
       arif i too believed in this arc report about easternmost gmsn & may even have been responsible for starting the rumor about it but i have been unable to
       Jul 02, 2004 @ 01:23 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14520. world class border arc census was Re: real bjneng try afoot
       correction the source of the gambia is even above senegal in guinea actually but you know what i mean ... it ... sides ... all ... bulge ... this ... 2
       Jul 02, 2004 @ 01:32 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14521. Re: Four or five new enclaves?
       I located the correponding postage stamp issue from Peru commemorating the treaty, which is inscribed Encuentro Presidencial Bolivia Peru en Ilo . What does
       Jul 02, 2004 @ 02:33 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
14522. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Four or five new enclaves?
       Bolivia had a seacoast until it and Perú lost the War of the Pacific (1879-1883) to Chile. The boundaries in that desert region had been poorly defined until
       Jul 02, 2004 @ 04:02 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14523. Bored of US & Euro posts??
       here s some internal borders in cuba. 1st photo - going from the city of havana into the province of havana (city is it s own entity, like DC in US). this is
       Jul 02, 2004 @ 04:11 - Victor Cantore (Victor Cantore <drpotatoes@yahoo.com>)
14524. bonus border
       internal mex border nayrit - jalisco & welcome signs again great quality photos! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more
       Jul 02, 2004 @ 04:14 - Victor Cantore (Victor Cantore <drpotatoes@yahoo.com>)
14525. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Bored of US & Euro posts??
       Very nice, especially with the Cuban flag hanging from the rear view mirror! When were you there? Doug ... ... ... A bad day in
       Jul 02, 2004 @ 07:47 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
14526. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Four or five new enclaves?
       Hi, i think its like the czech free trade harbour at moldauhafen in hamburg inside the main free trade harbour. regards, chris ... From: L. A. Nadybal To:
       Jul 02, 2004 @ 07:50 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
14527. Re: MDUA no. 1
       ... MDUA ... Its Ukrainian twin can be seen at http://www.2000.cv.ua/2003/05/44 . Peter S.
       Jul 02, 2004 @ 11:05 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
14528. Re: [BoundaryPoint] world class border arc census was Re: real bjneng try afoot
       Actually, I got the Senegambia information in a book that I made a photocopy from, but I have no idea what book it is (hey, it was a big page filled with
       Jul 02, 2004 @ 23:10 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
14529. world class border arc census was Re: real bjneng try afoot
       Maybe between 1889 and 1904: (...) when the boundaries were settled by the agreement of the 10th of August 1889 with France, Great Britain was able to secure
       Jul 02, 2004 @ 23:36 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
14530. New Canada USA Photo Directory
       Hi every one! I just created a new Canada USA Border Photo Directory. I have uploaded some photos showing divided buildings and streets. Come back once in a
       Jul 03, 2004 @ 04:01 - François Descôteaux (=?iso-8859-1?B?RnJhbudvaXMgRGVzY/R0ZWF1eA==?= <ve2ogh@...>)
14531. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Bored of US & Euro posts??
       hi doug, i was there june14 - june21, a whole week in paradise! that is, if communism can be considered paradise!?! At least the people are very nice and
       Jul 03, 2004 @ 04:53 - Victor Cantore (Victor Cantore <drpotatoes@...>)
14532. FINOSE report
       It s good to be back again! Thanks Jesper for solving my virus problem and thanks everybody, especially Michael, for moral support. Yes, I visited FINOSE
       Jul 03, 2004 @ 06:23 - Rolf Palmberg LI ("Rolf Palmberg LI" <rpalmber@...>)
14533. Point Roberts, WA in National Geographic - AUG 04
       I am pleased to report that Pt. Roberts, Washington, USA will be featured at the ZipUSA stroy the August 2004 edition of National Geographic. I was involved
       Jul 03, 2004 @ 15:07 - maracssi ("maracssi" <jlgo@...>)
14534. Pt. Roberts - Nat'l Geographic Link
       http://seabed.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/match_vote.tmpl? issue_id=20040701&cover_index=3 (very bottom of the page)
       Jul 03, 2004 @ 15:18 - maracssi ("maracssi" <jlgo@...>)
14535. Various exotic border markers
       some may be novelties CNHK: http://www.mainframe.org/photos/asia/hkborder1.jpg CRNI: http://www.ticotimes.net/dailyarchive/2003_07/Week5/07_30_03.htm KETZ:
       Jul 03, 2004 @ 18:21 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14536. UZBEK FAMILY FINDS ITSELF SUDDENLY STRADDLING TURKMEN BORDE
       http://www.eurasianet.org/departments/insight/articles/pp062004.shtml
       Jul 03, 2004 @ 18:29 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14537. boss man himself in asmara to revive djeret try
       http://www.arabtimesonline.com/arabtimes/breakingnews/view.asp?msgID=6429 kofi annan naif ok this bunny keeps right on tripointing tho regardless of dead
       Jul 03, 2004 @ 22:12 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
14538. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New Canada USA Photo Directory
       Cannot find it. URL? Jesper ... From: François Descôteaux To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 6:01 AM Subject: [BoundaryPoint]
       Jul 03, 2004 @ 22:46 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14539. Re: Pt. Roberts - Nat'l Geographic Link
       Short description! Can t wait till the issue comes out so we can read the article. As for the viewers cover choices, Karen Kasmauski s entry is trailing by
       Jul 04, 2004 @ 02:59 - Michael Kaufman ("Michael Kaufman" <mikekaufman79@...>)
14540. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New Canada USA Photo Directory
       Jesper, François s photos are at http://tinyurl.com/3adto . Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: Jesper Nielsen To:
       Jul 04, 2004 @ 04:01 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14541. Re: SAOMYE demarcated?
       If I remember correctly, the Oman s treaty with Saudi-Arabia on their common border dates back to 1990 while the OMN-YEM treaty was concluded in 1992 and is
       Jul 04, 2004 @ 12:16 - Joachim Duester ("Joachim Duester" <jduester@...>)
14542. yikes is this article correct
       http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/07/04/1088879362647.html?oneclick=true is it true that the united nations has declared the 1989 auid timor gap treaty
       Jul 04, 2004 @ 16:06 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
14543. Barak enclave reconnected with Kyrgyzia
       http://www.eurasianet.org/departments/business/articles/eav052504.shtml Brendan
       Jul 04, 2004 @ 23:33 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
14544. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New Canada USA Photo Directory
       François - Where (and what) is the building near marker 644? Also did you notice the small road disk 554 W right in the sidewalk in front of the
       Jul 05, 2004 @ 06:07 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@yahoo.com>)
14545. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New Canada USA Photo Directory
       Michael, The monument 644 is facing a cottage along the Richelieu river that flows in Lake Champlain. Actualy it s the very last monument in Vermont before
       Jul 05, 2004 @ 13:57 - François Descôteaux (=?iso-8859-1?B?RnJhbudvaXMgRGVzY/R0ZWF1eA==?= <ve2ogh@...>)
14546. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New Canada USA Photo Directory
       I m very surprised that Québec has allowed that Vermont sign to remain where it is. Perhaps the workers for Transports Québec are as much dolts as are those
       Jul 05, 2004 @ 15:01 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14547. Mason-Dixon
       http://www.observer-reporter.com/280905355485062.bsp http://freespace.virgin.net/john.cletheroe/usa_can/usa/mas_dix.htm
       Jul 05, 2004 @ 19:26 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14548. Re: New Canada USA Photo Directory
       wow i am surprised your teachers even know the most ignorant people in their society ... to remain where it ... dolts as are those ... up highway signs
       Jul 05, 2004 @ 22:19 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14549. Re: Mason-Dixon
       ... http://freespace.virgin.net/john.cletheroe/usa_can/usa/mas_dix.h tm i would suggest caution if you are accepting or presenting these as factual especially
       Jul 05, 2004 @ 22:28 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14550. Re: SAOMYE demarcated?
       ... and ... OMN-ARE, ... it is just that it often takes time for people to catch up on the news & to finally get things right especially if they arent
       Jul 05, 2004 @ 23:05 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14551. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New Canada USA Photo Directory
       Ok so 644 is here: http://topozone.com/map.asp?z=18&n=4985203.00014532&e=631274.000006037&datum=nad83 I ll send you 2 pics plus this one from inside the brick
       Jul 06, 2004 @ 00:38 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@yahoo.com>)
14552. Re: FINOSE report
       ... standing ovation continues & especially for your caring enough about our original topic & main game to emerge at length as the leading expert & player &
       Jul 06, 2004 @ 00:57 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14553. FW: [roadgeek] NC/SC State Line being Re-surveyed
       From the roadheek list... ... From: Adam Prince [mailto:aprince4@nc.rr.com] Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 11:32 PM To: seroads@yahoogroups.com Cc:
       Jul 06, 2004 @ 11:49 - Brendan ("Brendan" <pit.hokie@...>)
14554. Re: Mason-Dixon
       fresh tripoint try du jour us2mdpa3bacayo involving many missing & displaced rocks & most significantly a lost 1841 tripoint position on the mason dixon line
       Jul 06, 2004 @ 12:23 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14555. US Quadro mystery
       http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/0626clay26.html
       Jul 06, 2004 @ 16:39 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14556. RE: [BoundaryPoint] US Quadro mystery
       I don t believe the article is correct when it states that the large bronze marker wasn t placed at Four Corners until 1992. My first visit there (of three)
       Jul 06, 2004 @ 16:57 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
14557. Info re BCIDWA and BCIDMT tripoints
       ... - has anyone visited BCIDWA or BCIDMT, and if so, is the visit info online? - if there have been no visits, is there info online that documents the
       Jul 06, 2004 @ 18:06 - Dave Patton [DCP] ("Dave Patton [DCP]" <dpatton@...>)
14558. Re: US Quadro mystery
       you are right that the slab was there when you visited in 1992 since it dates from 1962 per bus&ss however the copper disk on which the quadripoint is now
       Jul 06, 2004 @ 21:45 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14559. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: US Quadro mystery
       So basically, in 1992 there was a new marker placed. Then I disagree with the article that Four Corners didn t really take off until then, because all of the
       Jul 06, 2004 @ 22:04 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
14560. Re: US Quadro mystery
       yes thats another mistake the article makes at the time of my first visit there in the 1960s the federally constructed slab monument was already there but
       Jul 06, 2004 @ 22:47 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14561. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Info re BCIDWA and BCIDMT tripoints
       We often classify tries like this (5 degrees of success): In the files section: BP.Classes.txt ... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/6843 ...
       Jul 06, 2004 @ 23:10 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14562. ZEEBI and ZOTEBI - Bolivia/Peru
       In pursuing further about the Bolivian beach in Peru, I learned, based on my rudimentary understanding of Spanish and with a little help from Google s
       Jul 06, 2004 @ 23:41 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
14563. Re: [BoundaryPoint] world class border arc census was Re: real bjneng try afoot
       1. DZLYTN http://www.manntaylor.com/FtSaintM.jpg (this could be DZLY and LYTN or just DZLY as per msg. 13465) 2. DZLY
       Jul 07, 2004 @ 01:19 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14564. Re: Divided building (DEFR) near DEFRLU
       If the condo border on the DE side is where the river meets the cement cliff-like sidewalls, then what about the LU side of the river? The DELU-LU boder
       Jul 07, 2004 @ 02:45 - Michael Kaufman ("Michael Kaufman" <mikekaufman79@...>)
14565. Re: Info re BCIDWA and BCIDMT tripoints
       both of these tripoints are still believed to be virgins & as topozone indicates neither is believed to be marked except perhaps as speculated by brian in
       Jul 07, 2004 @ 05:58 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14566. world class border arc census was Re: real bjneng try afoot
       please look for several insertions ... correct & we still dont know which is true so you are right to keep counting it or them as either 1 or 2 borders but
       Jul 07, 2004 @ 13:21 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14567. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Divided building (DEFR) near DEFRLU
       It s a good observasion. I vaguely remember it being disussed before, either on BP or at GCEBE. Are all DELU-LU markers (and the binational marker(s) around
       Jul 07, 2004 @ 15:54 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14568. Book??
       I have to by something from amazon.co.uk and would like to buy extra now that I am shopping there anyway. Can anybody recommend a book about border? It should
       Jul 07, 2004 @ 18:32 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14569. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Book??
       I quite liked The Wall - The People s Story by Christopher Hilton. And there is Stasiland by Anna Funder (though that is less about borders) Of course,
       Jul 07, 2004 @ 18:44 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
14570. Baarle: Latest
       Hello All: I am doing a short article on Baarle for a local newspaper. I was in Baarle a couple of years ago, and have been following any news about it here
       Jul 07, 2004 @ 18:47 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
14571. US--Four Corners
       I visited Four Corners in March, 1962. Access involved driving many miles on a gravel road that paralleled the under-construction, now existent paved road.
       Jul 07, 2004 @ 21:25 - spookymike@aol.com (spookymike@...)
14572. Re: Divided building (DEFR) near DEFRLU
       I think that the condominium is formed by the entire river between Luxembourg and Germany, i.e. two stretches, limited by four straight lines across the river,
       Jul 07, 2004 @ 21:38 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
14573. Re: [BoundaryPoint] world class border arc census was Re: real bjneng try afoot
       ... I find that there are no less than nine arcs in the channelized segments of the Rio Grande portion of the MXUS boundary. The channel relocation maps
       Jul 07, 2004 @ 21:38 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14574. RE: [BoundaryPoint] US--Four Corners
       Interesting background on that road to Four Corners (current US-160) here: http://www.mesalek.com/colo/r160-179.html#us164 After reading the US 164 history,
       Jul 07, 2004 @ 22:14 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
14575. Re: [BoundaryPoint] US--Four Corners
       When I visited the Four Corners in July 1990, I approached from Colorado. As most of you know, US 160 goes from Colorado across less than one mile of New
       Jul 07, 2004 @ 23:34 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14576. RE: [BoundaryPoint] US--Four Corners
       Why is there a monument on this topo map labeled Four Corners that is located on hilltop clearly in Colorado and not at the four corners? It s labeled
       Jul 07, 2004 @ 23:45 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
14577. Re: [BoundaryPoint] US--Four Corners
       I think so. That might also be the name of the hill. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: Flynn, Kevin To:
       Jul 08, 2004 @ 00:08 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14578. please lang
       excuse sa lahat ng geog1 under prof gaillard: tuesday & friday 11:30-1:00, paki send naman sa silverjean87@yahoo.com ung address ng pinagpostan ng pictures
       Jul 08, 2004 @ 09:29 - silverjean87 ("silverjean87" <silverjean87@...>)
14579. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Digest Number 1480
       In a message dated 7/8/04 4:14:20 AM, BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com writes:
       Jul 08, 2004 @ 12:42 - spookymike@aol.com (spookymike@...)
14580. Re: Digest Number 1480
       ... benchmark ... what are these data sheets can you show one you can find also cant triangles indicate triangulation network points too ... AZ NM, which for
       Jul 08, 2004 @ 14:01 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14581. Re: please lang
       welcome jean & tx for the heads up our lang is usu eng w diglyphs mostly iso in alpha order is prof gaillard your leader please send naman asap ... address ng
       Jul 08, 2004 @ 14:24 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14582. Re: Divided building (DEFR) near DEFRLU
       ... between ... straight ... is ... therefore ... border was ... markers ... important ... witness ... that ... thalweg), ... border ... accurately, ... and on
       Jul 08, 2004 @ 16:10 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14583. Re: Baarle: Latest
       ... was in ... news about it ... The ... congrats & indeed a search for baarle at google news reveals that nothing at all has happened there for at least the
       Jul 08, 2004 @ 16:15 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14584. Re: Info re BCIDWA and BCIDMT tripoints
       aha re bcidwa on closer eamination bus&ss reveals the original 1873 survey team which set the 177 idwa markers was forced to stop work a mile short of the
       Jul 08, 2004 @ 17:30 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14585. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Divided building (DEFR) near DEFRLU
       I drove along the DELU condo in april and so no other islands than small plots of land. But I wonder if someone owns this land, and if it s government
       Jul 08, 2004 @ 18:15 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14586. Re: Divided building (DEFR) near DEFRLU
       exactly & the river condo is the joint territory & property of both governments so i would imagine any islands in it are also unless someone could have bought
       Jul 08, 2004 @ 19:48 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14587. Re: Divided building (DEFR) near DEFRLU
       E.g. this one: http://www.luxalbum.com/communes/echternach/mompach/moesdorf.htm Peter S.
       Jul 08, 2004 @ 19:52 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
14588. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Divided building (DEFR) near DEFRLU
       Local German land no much help: http://www.webgis-schule.de/website/rlp/ ... From: aletheiak To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004
       Jul 08, 2004 @ 20:01 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14589. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Divided building (DEFR) near DEFRLU
       Map of DELU island 1:20000 ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re:
       Jul 08, 2004 @ 20:26 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
14590. Re: Baarle: Latest
       About the only thing I can think of is that you no longer get asked if you want to pay with Dutch or Belgian currency... But maybe it has affected the local
       Jul 08, 2004 @ 23:28 - Ali John Baker ("Ali John Baker" <AliJohnBaker@...>)
14591. Baarle and books
       Thanks to all of you my book is out of print. I hope to do a second edition (slightly updated & without the typographical errors!) later this year... For those
       Jul 09, 2004 @ 00:04 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
14592. Re: Baarle: Latest
       It would also be interesting to know from which post office in town one gets the better deal in Euros when mailing letters. Len Nadybal
       Jul 09, 2004 @ 00:12 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
14593. Re: Baarle: Latest
       why would it be interesting http://www.atms.ch/rates ... town ... asked if ... has ... no longer ... I was ... news ... recently. The
       Jul 09, 2004 @ 03:05 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14594. Re: Baarle and books
       ... second edition ... year... ... interested congrats on your success too & again why why might knowing french or dutch interest anyone in getting hold of an
       Jul 09, 2004 @ 03:30 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14595. Re: Divided building (DEFR) near DEFRLU
       excellent thanx this is the most promising lead so far both in terms of the size of the island & the population density of the neighborhood it even looks like
       Jul 09, 2004 @ 03:47 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14596. Re: Divided building (DEFR) near DEFRLU
       yikes this may show a structure but i cant be sure http://www.luxalbum.com/communes/echternach/mompach/aero -moersdorf.com ... of ...
       Jul 09, 2004 @ 04:05 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14597. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Digest Number 1481
       In a message dated 7/9/04 4:12:17 AM, BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com writes: Data sheets describe
       Jul 09, 2004 @ 11:10 - spookymike@aol.com (spookymike@...)
14598. Re: Digest Number 1481
       wow thanx ... placed by other ... approach. You ll find a ... means. Here are ... http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/FORMS_PROCESSING-cgi-bin/recvy_e ntry_www.prl ...
       Jul 09, 2004 @ 15:32 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14599. Re: Info re BCIDWA and BCIDMT tripoints
       & 2 more ahas but re bcidmt this time for again on closer examination of bus&ss all 92 markers of the original 1898 survey of northernmost idmt also prove to
       Jul 09, 2004 @ 19:48 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14600. Re: Baarle: Latest
       Because its one of few places in the world where two national postal administrations compete with one another. It s the only town where the same money is used
       Jul 10, 2004 @ 00:10 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
14601. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Divided building (DEFR) near DEFRLU
       I would think that any such islands inhabited at the creation of the condominium would have been excluded from the condominium and would have remained in one
       Jul 10, 2004 @ 00:58 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14602. Re: Divided building (DEFR) near DEFRLU
       not sure what you mean by such or by would have but in any case do you mean you would still think so even after having read the mentioned messages 3324 & 3312
       Jul 10, 2004 @ 04:06 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14603. Re: Baarle: Latest
       doesnt the situation you are describing prevail in every border area thruout the combined schengen & euro regions & what conclusions about the relative cost of
       Jul 10, 2004 @ 05:43 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14604. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Divided building (DEFR) near DEFRLU
       Please see my three insertions below. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: aletheiak To:
       Jul 10, 2004 @ 14:55 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14605. Re: Baarle: Latest
       See? Look at all that I learned by being interested in the post office. LN
       Jul 10, 2004 @ 17:07 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
14606. Map sites
       Over the last year or so, I have prepared a list of many map sites on the internet, so here are some of them. I haven t been able to find any great mapping
       Jul 10, 2004 @ 18:18 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
14607. question for dave or anyone
       has anyone ever found a stream confluence anywhere that is situated at integral degrees of both latitude & longitude by any standard datum
       Jul 11, 2004 @ 14:21 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14608. Re: Baarle: Latest
       hahahaha seriously tho can you add any tripoints on postage stamps to the 3 we already think we may have found bedenl dzlytn cdrwug ... office. ... border ...
       Jul 11, 2004 @ 14:29 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14609. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Map sites
       ... Arif, Thank you for these excellent references. Anytime you feel like it, please quote some more from your collection. Does anyone have any references to
       Jul 11, 2004 @ 16:24 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
14610. Fwd: baarle books
       thanx doctor for your fair answers which i have hopefully rescued & attached below since i meant to inquire more generally & very much appreciate that our bp
       Jul 11, 2004 @ 17:22 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
14611. DK postcode tps
       There is only one dry DK postcode first digit tp: http://www.postdanmark.dk/iis/postdanmark/om_post_danmark/landkort/landkort_start.htm and I live in 2640
       Jul 11, 2004 @ 21:11 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14612. FINOSE report part 1: golf
       Pls find a handful of pix from the divided Finnish-Swedish golf course at http://www.vasa.abo.fi/users/rpalmber/BordersGolf.htm Rolf
       Jul 12, 2004 @ 07:17 - Rolf Palmberg (Rolf Palmberg <rpalmber@...>)
14613. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Baarle: Latest
       Yes, i know one, you can see it at http://www.home.pages.at/maxifant/Frames/nachitschewan.jpg it shows the exklave of nachitschewan and the enclave of karki.
       Jul 12, 2004 @ 08:38 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
14614. Re: [BoundaryPoint] FINOSE report part 1: golf
       Great! No border marker close ups? Jesper ... From: Rolf Palmberg To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 9:17 AM Subject:
       Jul 12, 2004 @ 11:37 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14615. Re: Baarle: Latest
       ok nice stuff chris & tho i meant our tripoint stamp collection of 3 items to date was of actual scenes of tripoints illustrated on the stamps including an
       Jul 12, 2004 @ 14:46 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14616. Re: [BoundaryPoint] question for dave or anyone
       ... I presume you are asking because then there would be a confluence at the confluence ? I don t recall any such visit, but I ll ask the other regional
       Jul 12, 2004 @ 15:33 - Dave Patton [DCP] ("Dave Patton [DCP]" <dpatton@...>)
14617. Re: question for dave or anyone
       ... well yes i am asking that & perhaps more since i am actually hoping not just for 1 such stream confluence at a degree confluence but for an ensemble or
       Jul 12, 2004 @ 19:26 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14618. Re: question for dave or anyone
       ... is ... confluence ... newly ... marks ... a ... somehow ... along ... namesake ... partings ... anodes ... oops again corrected url here below
       Jul 12, 2004 @ 19:33 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14619. bwnazmzw bridge loan application in the news
       on an otherwise quiet news day in the world of multipointing comes word that bank financing for our quadripoint bridge dream is about to be discussed in
       Jul 12, 2004 @ 21:50 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
14620. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Baarle: Latest
       hi, yes, here is a stamp from lens collection, showing cabinda http://exclave.info/Current/Cabinda/CabindaOnaStamp.jpg regards, chris ... From: aletheiak To:
       Jul 13, 2004 @ 03:19 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
14621. Re: [BoundaryPoint] question for dave or anyone
       This Two Ocean Creek illustrates one of the several unexpected situations that can arise when using drainage divides as boundaries. Divides are seldom as
       Jul 13, 2004 @ 04:03 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14622. Boundary quote
       In my political geography professor s class syllabus from 1977, I find this quote about boundaries and points: For it is the break effected in space that
       Jul 13, 2004 @ 04:27 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14623. Re: [BoundaryPoint] world class border arc census was Re: real bjneng try afoot
       BJNG - Ok by my count I get 10: Under Alignment section - 26, 33, 35, 42, 44, 47, 53, 55, 57, 60 Which are the other one or two? Also: On
       Jul 13, 2004 @ 04:56 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14624. Re: [BoundaryPoint] world class border arc census was Re: real bjneng try afoot
       Is the map for the four acrs in digital format? It would be nice to see these to compare them to the map for the five El Paso/Ciudad Juárez arcs which you
       Jul 13, 2004 @ 05:30 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14625. Fwd: baarle books
       In an effort to lighten up electic fence enthusiasts and inject some play & levity, we can move from electirc fence books to electric fence wavs: Don t whiz on
       Jul 13, 2004 @ 06:08 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@yahoo.com>)
14626. Re; Map sites
       Great stuff! Thank you. I ve taken several maps and ortophotos from many tripoints. And I ve been surprised by this ortophoto: is atchlin a wet or a land
       Jul 13, 2004 @ 08:17 - marcelmiquel@correu.vilaweb.com (<marcelmiquel@correu.vilaweb.com>)
14627. Re: Re; Map sites -> ATCHLIn
       ... My guess: when the weather is dry over a long enough period, so is the tripoint. Peter S.
       Jul 13, 2004 @ 07:40 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
14628. Re: Re; Map sites -> ATCHLIn
       As far as i can see on htt://www.austrianmap.at the tripoint is in the river - so Peter will be right, when its dry enough its a landpoint. www.austrianmap.at
       Jul 13, 2004 @ 07:53 - Thomas Pieler ("Thomas Pieler" <thomas_pieler@...>)
14629. Fences
       I learned a while ago that there are three kinds of people in this world: For some people, an explanation is sufficient. For other people, a demonstration is
       Jul 13, 2004 @ 08:52 - Asher Samuels (Asher Samuels <asher972@...>)
14630. Re: Re; Map sites -> ATCHLIn
       ... Or, maybe not. According to the boundary treaty, the border in the Rhine is formed by the centre line between the high water dikes between CHLI2GRSGBA and
       Jul 13, 2004 @ 11:02 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
14631. Re: Boundary quote
       hey i read that book too & must say your teachers are looking like the most ignorant people in their society again for their & your quote here is not about
       Jul 13, 2004 @ 13:43 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14632. Helen Bray is out of the office.
       I will be out of the office starting 12/07/2004 and will not return until 16/08/2004. I will be checking this mail box occasionally. If you need urgent
       Jul 13, 2004 @ 14:02 - Helen Bray ("Helen Bray" <bray@...>)
14633. world class border arc census was Re: real bjneng try afoot
       as mentioned i couldnt be sure & on closer examination i still cant because the text occasionally varies its formulaic description of the arcs from one example
       Jul 13, 2004 @ 15:27 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14634. Re: Baarle: Latest
       right & that is one of the presumably common situations i anticipated but a stamp map of say cabinda alone without showing the rest of angola if such a purely
       Jul 13, 2004 @ 15:59 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14635. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Boundary quote
       Mike, I knew that the quote was from THE SACRED AND THE PROFANE. So did my professor, who (for his expertise in the resolution of boundary issues) was the
       Jul 13, 2004 @ 19:29 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14636. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fences
       Ha so true! I think many of us BP folks would fall in the third class of people - the fence-whizzers, at least figuratively. Take FINORU, for example. The
       Jul 13, 2004 @ 21:13 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14637. Re: [BoundaryPoint] world class border arc census was Re: real bjneng try afoot
       The maps from the MXUS Treaty of 1970 showing four arcs are at a scale of 1:20,000 on three long sheets, each about one foot by three feet. They are
       Jul 13, 2004 @ 21:15 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14638. Re: Baarle: Latest
       Here are a pair of tripoints for andorra-spain-france http://exclave.info/current/ceuta/stamps/autonomousstatesmapss.jpg There are at least two Andorra stamps
       Jul 14, 2004 @ 04:13 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
14639. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Baarle: Latest
       It appears from the stamp that Naxcivan/Nakhichevan is autonomous enough governmentally from the rest of Azerbaijan to have its own autonomous postal agency.
       Jul 14, 2004 @ 05:03 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14640. Re: [BoundaryPoint] FINOSE report part 1: golf
       sorry jesper, i found no border markers - and i should know by now what they look like. the same applies to the suspension bridge i told you about earlier. no
       Jul 14, 2004 @ 10:32 - Rolf Palmberg LI ("Rolf Palmberg LI" <rpalmber@...>)
14641. Re: Baarle: Latest
       ahh thank you & you are absolutely right for those are tripoints on that map stamp but i guess you missed the 3 earlier stamp findings of which this latest
       Jul 14, 2004 @ 18:31 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14642. Re: Boundary quote
       ... my professor, ... the first ... Science. wow lowell i am really glad for you both & ... multidimensionality of ... you might ... no need to be sorry nor
       Jul 14, 2004 @ 18:11 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14643. Re: [BoundaryPoint] world class border arc census was Re: real bjneng try afoot
       Thanks for these maps: For 1. Is the arc the one which faces north with the HUA of CHIHUAHUA under it and the S of TEXAS above it? Or the tighter one
       Jul 15, 2004 @ 03:55 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14644. Re: Baarle: Latest
       That stamp was issued in error and was withdrawn from sale shortly after issue. It was replaced by another of exactly the same design but with the correct
       Jul 15, 2004 @ 03:17 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
14645. Re: [BoundaryPoint] world class border arc census was Re: real bjneng try afoot
       MANH state line - while the border approximately follows the Merrimack at some general distance offset ( http://ma.water.usgs.gov/basins/merrimack.htm ), it is
       Jul 15, 2004 @ 05:39 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14646. world class border arc census was Re: real bjneng try afoot
       Oops, this is just the border of Salisbury Beach State Reservation. http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?
       Jul 15, 2004 @ 05:54 - Michael Kaufman ("Michael Kaufman" <mikekaufman79@...>)
14647. world class border arc census was Re: real bjneng try afoot
       dont know how much of your observation & query string the ensuing oops was meant to obviate but maybe the following inserts will still illuminate or levitate
       Jul 15, 2004 @ 14:41 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14648. Re: [BoundaryPoint] world class border arc census was Re: real bjneng try afoot
       Michael, See my insertions below. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: Michael Kaufman To:
       Jul 15, 2004 @ 15:04 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14649. Re: Boundary quote
       or just check out a synopsis for starters http://www.csun.edu/~rcummings/sacred.html great stuff for anyone wondering what we might really be effecting
       Jul 15, 2004 @ 17:03 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14650. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Boundary quote
       See! It does relate to what we do here. :-) My professor would have agreed with you fully. That s precisely why he interjected the Eliade quote into a study
       Jul 15, 2004 @ 19:36 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14651. Re: [BoundaryPoint] world class border arc census was Re: real bjneng try afoot
       Ok thanks. In http://tinyurl.com/5ppgp how come the border hits both river banks? Isn t it supposed to be the median line in the river? Also in the same map,
       Jul 16, 2004 @ 05:33 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14652. Re: [BoundaryPoint] world class border arc census was Re: real bjneng try afoot
       Ok, and with GM-SN - is this also monumented, or is it threoretically a point-by-point offset? I find no IBS study for this boundary. How far is the offset
       Jul 16, 2004 @ 06:35 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14653. wording
       Peers, I would appreciate if our english-speaking friends could comment on the following: We frequently use the word pene-exclave in the approximate meaning of
       Jul 16, 2004 @ 11:28 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
14654. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       On GCEBE Fran tried to reach the tp island . According to the line on the last marker before the tp, the island was not hosting the tripoint. The CEBT-team
       Jul 16, 2004 @ 14:05 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14655. Re: [BoundaryPoint] world class border arc census was Re: real bjneng try afoot
       Michael, The 1970 treaty provided for several artificial channel relocations and the placement of the boundary into their specified middle lines upon their
       Jul 16, 2004 @ 14:26 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14656. Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       ... was not hosting the tripoint. ... requests we should carry out there? ... yes now that we are confident that the thalweg marks both chli & atch could you
       Jul 16, 2004 @ 15:04 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14657. Re: wording
       ... i feel great about it in any language & since you probably also recall our previous endlessly unresolved discussions of clave terms & realize that even
       Jul 16, 2004 @ 15:47 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14658. world class border arc census was Re: real bjneng try afoot
       ... i seem to recall brownlie indicating it was monumented I find no IBS ... 10 kilometers ... 3 miles Is there historical ... what do you mean i could drag
       Jul 16, 2004 @ 16:14 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14659. Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       For the last stretch of ATLI towards ATCHLIn see http://tinyurl.com/4jeut The last markers are 135 and 136. Peter S. ... island ... bank ... needed
       Jul 16, 2004 @ 16:14 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
14660. Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       ... 136 looks like to be a targeting marker on the Swiss bank... Peter S.
       Jul 16, 2004 @ 16:21 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
14661. Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       I forgot to say: for the full text, click on Geltende Fassung (includes co-ordinates for all border markers).
       Jul 16, 2004 @ 16:31 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
14662. Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       even better thanx & which also raises the question for checking whatever the actual marker numbers prove to be is the tripoint correctly positioned on the
       Jul 16, 2004 @ 16:36 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14663. Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       ... atli ... anyway The border is defined to be geradlinig (in a straight line) from marker 134 to 135 (54 metres), and geradlinig from 135 to 136 (160
       Jul 16, 2004 @ 16:40 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
14664. Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       ... (160 ... thanx again & i also determined by comparing & crunching the geocoords you just provided that markers 136 & 135 & 134 are indeed in very
       Jul 16, 2004 @ 17:20 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14665. Re: Boundary quote
       ... aha but only because we actually do do it only because we actually recognize & gather round & celebrate & enshrine & quest after & dance about these
       Jul 16, 2004 @ 18:23 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14666. Re: [BoundaryPoint] world class border arc census was Re: real bjneng try afoot
       From the specific to the general... Normally, when there is accretion, that deposited land becomes part of the territory to which it is deposited. If
       Jul 16, 2004 @ 22:08 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14667. Re: [BoundaryPoint] world class border arc census was Re: real bjneng try afoot
       About MA-NH - I was wondering if it was originally monumented or if it were specified as 3 miles from the thalweg or north (or south) bank or median line. If
       Jul 16, 2004 @ 22:38 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14668. Re: [BoundaryPoint] world class border arc census was Re: real bjneng try afoot
       Summarized from BUS&SS: After several less than clear colonial grants, the two colonies found themselves at odds over their two boundaries (Maine then being
       Jul 17, 2004 @ 02:26 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14669. world class border arc census was Re: real bjneng try afoot
       ... found themselves ... Massachusetts). ... ordered ... met at Hampton ... three miles ... Ocean, and ending ... from thence, ... colonies) with ... and if
       Jul 17, 2004 @ 15:18 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14670. world class border arc census was Re: real bjneng try afoot
       ... is that if or if as in whether or or only or or or or in any case no original border is originally monumented a delineation or delimitation evidently
       Jul 17, 2004 @ 15:49 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14671. world class border arc census was Re: real bjneng try afoot
       ... it might also follow a high or low water line on a bank for example it all depends of course on how the border has been defined If there is an ... we
       Jul 17, 2004 @ 16:00 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14672. Re: Info re BCIDWA and BCIDMT tripoints
       ... Here is some info, direct from someone I know at the USGS: ========================================================== Both items are out-of-print. You
       Jul 17, 2004 @ 22:29 - Dave Patton [DCP] ("Dave Patton [DCP]" <dpatton@...>)
14673. WSJ: center of Europe
       The Wall Street Journal July 14, 2004 PAGE ONE Journey to the Center Of Europe Involves Many a Wrong Turn Mr. Xoma Marks the Spot In Ukraine, but Lithuania May
       Jul 18, 2004 @ 02:07 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
14674. Re: AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CZDE ? -> post 1938
       I know, I´m late in giving answer to this, but to the case. The border has been created most likely by catastre area of the village in question, the one
       Jul 18, 2004 @ 17:37 - Petter Brabec (=?iso-8859-1?q?Petter=20Brabec?= <pete2784west@...>)
14675. Re: Info re BCIDWA and BCIDMT tripoints
       major congrats dave especially as bcidwa was looking far more challenging than bcidmt in terms of remoteness & physical difficulty not to mention in terms of
       Jul 18, 2004 @ 17:38 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14676. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       What happened to 136? http://www.geocities.com/mafiapetedk/tpatchfl1.html 134 is missing too. Jesper ... From: Peter Smaardijk To:
       Jul 18, 2004 @ 21:32 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14677. Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       precisely my point in message 14664 which of course trumps everything previously tried or requested unless you can find either marker 134 or marker 136 & use
       Jul 18, 2004 @ 22:43 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14678. 4th scuba try for ncsc turnpoint is still class e
       but a still better equipped 5th & supposedly final try is yet to come
       Jul 19, 2004 @ 00:04 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
14679. cnin tripoint 6pak talks to resume next monday ipse dixit
       http://www.indiaexpress.com/news/world/20040718-0.html
       Jul 19, 2004 @ 00:17 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14680. cnin tripoint 6pak talks to resume next monday ipse dixit
       http://www.indiaexpress.com/news/world/20040718-0.html
       Jul 19, 2004 @ 00:21 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14681. file under projected kytnva dream state try
       http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/18/magazine/18DREAMS.html?th kytnva being the only known tripoint one could stretch out upon for the necessary nap &or even
       Jul 19, 2004 @ 02:08 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
14682. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 4th scuba try for ncsc turnpoint is still class e
       Why a NONtripointing stitch? York, Gaston, Mecklenburg counties coming together. ...
       Jul 19, 2004 @ 02:49 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14683. Re: 4th scuba try for ncsc turnpoint is still class e
       because the stitch doesnt appear to have been necessary for these 3 counties to meet at a single point & it seems they would still have met at the same point
       Jul 19, 2004 @ 03:59 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14684. axworthy evidently gets axed again
       as kofis new djeret try is rejected by asmara http://www.eritreadaily.net/news/article71904.htm
       Jul 19, 2004 @ 17:48 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14685. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       ... I think I can see it. See red circle on attached picture from Peter. M __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you
       Jul 19, 2004 @ 19:28 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@yahoo.com>)
14686. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Info re BCIDWA and BCIDMT tripoints
       ... This group s visit class categories are so fuzzy that I don t think I can say with any certainty. However, I think you ll see when I write up my visit
       Jul 20, 2004 @ 01:12 - Dave Patton [DCP] ("Dave Patton [DCP]" <dpatton@...>)
14687. Point Roberts, WA in National Geographic is out now
       http://magma.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0408/feature7/
       Jul 20, 2004 @ 02:22 - maracssi ("maracssi" <jlgo@...>)
14688. Re: Info re BCIDWA and BCIDMT tripoints
       ... bcidmt ... if you think they are fuzzy at all then maybe you just havent fully understood them yet they are actually quite simple rigorous distinct &
       Jul 20, 2004 @ 05:20 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14689. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       Would they place a ATFL marker in CH? Doubt it. But we can check. Jesper ... From: Ernst Stavro Blofeld To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July
       Jul 20, 2004 @ 09:25 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14690. Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       yes yes yes it is common practice to mark river tripoints this way & the geocoordinate data brought by peter vouch that precisely this is the case here or at
       Jul 20, 2004 @ 15:11 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14691. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       Why are we using FL ? I assume that you refer to Liechtenstein, but the ISO country code list at
       Jul 20, 2004 @ 15:58 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14692. Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       fl is for furstentum or fuerstentum liechtenstein which is liechtenstinian for principality of liechtenstein jesper knows li is also for liechtenstein but he
       Jul 20, 2004 @ 17:57 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14693. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       See my insertions below. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: aletheiak To: Sent:
       Jul 20, 2004 @ 19:44 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14694. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       I have never seen any boundary marker on third part land. Examples? Jesper ... From: aletheiak To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004
       Jul 20, 2004 @ 20:45 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14695. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       ... FL is the designator for Liechtenstein according to the UN Conventions on Road Traffic. It s therefore included on the ISO 3166 reserved list so that it
       Jul 20, 2004 @ 21:41 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
14696. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       ... Btw, United States abbreviated in french is EU (Etats Unis). EU is also, as y all know, the english abbreviation of the union that the french (sometimes
       Jul 20, 2004 @ 22:20 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
14697. Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       bedelu defrlu cnkpru possibly other postsoviets etc ... precisely ... with ... too ... the 3 ... correct ... first ... a ... Terms ... of Service.
       Jul 20, 2004 @ 23:28 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14698. Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       Yes and in German, the abbreviation is VS - technically. Although USA is official there and elsewhere in Europe for both European auto ovals and European
       Jul 21, 2004 @ 00:19 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
14699. Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       ... ISO ... abbreviating boundaries and ... yes i am sure this was deliberately slightly strange bp behavior by jesper since he recognizes atchlin & atchlis
       Jul 21, 2004 @ 00:45 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14700. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       Double your pleasure, double your fun In Spanish it s often los EEUU (or EE.UU or E.E.U.U.) for Estados Unidos. ...
       Jul 21, 2004 @ 02:23 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14701. Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       mats was right in the first place & still is even after eu has been doubled & redoubled however if at first we dont succeed &or are caught stealing second then
       Jul 21, 2004 @ 04:14 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14702. south lebanon
       http://almashriq.hiof.no/lebanon/900/910/912/maps/mot-maps/english-map/eng-l07.html hi everyone, here is something from the lebanon-israel-border. what do we
       Jul 21, 2004 @ 11:34 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
14703. Re: [BoundaryPoint] south lebanon
       okay, its just another border, between israel and syria, with part of golan. i just wondered because of the color... regards, chris ... From: chris schulz To:
       Jul 21, 2004 @ 11:40 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
14704. pene enclave in eastern lebanon
       hi, just foud this in lebanon, close to baalbeck regards, chris
       Jul 21, 2004 @ 12:08 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@gmx.de>)
14705. Re: south lebanon
       right the tripoint is what we have been calling de jure illbsy & the uncolored crossed line marks the beginning of the golan heights aka de facto israel within
       Jul 21, 2004 @ 13:50 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14706. mousie roars for kiwi now as ozzie poohpoohs on
       http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2004/s1158569.htm http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200407/s1158952.htm http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2004/s1159016.htm
       Jul 21, 2004 @ 14:16 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14707. Unknown situation Irland-Northern-Irland
       hi, does anyone knows this situation? http://tinyurl.com/4b8gp i add a scan of it, that shows, what i mean. my question is about the street and if the border
       Jul 21, 2004 @ 18:49 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@gmx.de>)
14708. Re: [BoundaryPoint] south lebanon
       It looks like the dotted black line is the pre-June 1967 border between Israel and Syria. ...
       Jul 21, 2004 @ 19:33 - Asher Samuels (Asher Samuels <asher972@...>)
14709. Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
       This is a theoretical question, just out of curiosity, but may not be hypothetical. By treaty, the Cananda/USA border along the 49th parallel is defined by
       Jul 21, 2004 @ 20:38 - Dave Patton [DCP] ("Dave Patton [DCP]" <dpatton@...>)
14710. Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
       very interesting i dont think any stateless land is actually created by it tho rather i believe idwa must continue effectively due north the extra half inch or
       Jul 21, 2004 @ 21:10 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14711. Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
       were you actually able to sight along the caus line from marker 195 to marker 194 across the face of the 1909 idwa terminal marker that must be about 850 feet
       Jul 21, 2004 @ 21:32 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14712. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
       I agree that no non-state land was created when the CAUS boundary was moved from the theoretical 49th parallel to straight line segments between intervisible
       Jul 21, 2004 @ 22:38 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14713. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Unknown situation Irland-Northern-Irland
       I grew up in Ireland so I can give my perspective here. The border most likely goes through the middle of the road. Also the roads there are usually only one
       Jul 21, 2004 @ 23:19 - John J. Kelly ("John J. Kelly" <johnkelly@...>)
14714. More Map Sites + Re: [BoundaryPoint] Unknown situation Irland-Northern-Irland
       Interesting how the Ireland queries came the day before I leave for Ireland. Not that I will have any time to visit interesting border areas. For a map site
       Jul 22, 2004 @ 01:16 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
14715. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
       but is the boundary defined as straight line great circle arcs or straight lines on flat maps. great circle arcs mean the tripoint would be north of the
       Jul 22, 2004 @ 01:31 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14716. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
       BUS&SS says, of the Treaty with Great Britain, 1925 : Article II of the treaty made the lines between monuments established under the treaty of 1908 on the
       Jul 22, 2004 @ 03:05 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14717. Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
       caus runs along the straight sight lines from one caus marker to the next caus marker & these lines always appear as straight lines on flat maps but tho they
       Jul 22, 2004 @ 03:57 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14718. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Info re BCIDWA and BCIDMT tripoints
       but if the tripoint hadnt been marked by any monument as is the case with few dry but most wet points for example Which wet tps ARE directly marked with a
       Jul 22, 2004 @ 05:22 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14719. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
       ... No - that s impossible given the terrain in the area. ... Information from a conversation with a surveyor who, in part, is using information from the old
       Jul 22, 2004 @ 05:36 - Dave Patton [DCP] ("Dave Patton [DCP]" <dpatton@...>)
14720. Re: Info re BCIDWA and BCIDMT tripoints
       technically the markers of marked wetpoints would have to be submerged as njnypa occasionally is for example or submerged as well as buried as manhvt usually
       Jul 22, 2004 @ 06:02 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14721. Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
       ok i was imagining you actually had a sight line or else actually performed great circle distance computations based on the published or empirically determined
       Jul 22, 2004 @ 07:13 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14722. Exclaves of the World Quiz
       http://www.funtrivia.com/quizdetails.cfm?quiz=167134 Enjoy
       Jul 22, 2004 @ 10:54 - Asher Samuels ("Asher Samuels" <asher972@...>)
14723. Re: Exclaves of the World Quiz
       check out their border quiz too they actually succeeded in blundering twice on a single question could a multipointing quiz be far behind
       Jul 22, 2004 @ 14:02 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14724. Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
       dave i also just realized your best guessed position for true bcidwa of about half an inch north of disk center if i have understood everything right is still
       Jul 22, 2004 @ 14:27 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14725. Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
       ahh but heres something better we can still do for true bcidwa without waiting for bulletin 466 since we realize the point we are seeking lies by definition at
       Jul 22, 2004 @ 16:33 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14726. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       BEDELU: On BE bank: indirect BEDE marker 1 On DE bank: indirect BEDE marker 1 On LU bank: indirect DELU marker 52 DEFRLU: Two markers, One marking DEFR, just
       Jul 22, 2004 @ 19:29 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14727. 4 south african kibitzers on class e djeret try reup another year
       a sign kofi blinked again i dont know how he manages to keep such a naif ok straight face for as the world community keeps threatening to pull the plug on our
       Jul 22, 2004 @ 19:37 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
14728. Central European Border Trip
       As Peter Hering announced in February, CEBT will take place in August, the 7th to 167th. Highlights will be Jungholz, ATCHLIS, ATCHLIN, ATCHDE, CSDDDE and
       Jul 22, 2004 @ 19:41 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14729. Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       article 3 in message 12459 ... discussed it earlier), another marker on LU bank (as far as I remember no visable markings) ... among ... the ... visit to ...
       Jul 22, 2004 @ 19:54 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14730. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Exclaves of the World Quiz
       Tripoint Guru by Rolf? http://www.vasa.abo.fi/users/rpalmber/EFLtripoints.htm J ... From: aletheiak To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 22,
       Jul 22, 2004 @ 19:59 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14731. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Central European Border Trip
       ... Yes, I have a request if it is not too much trouble. The treaty defining the border of Campione d Italia mentions (if I remember correctly) 17 border
       Jul 22, 2004 @ 20:25 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
14732. Re: Central European Border Trip
       ... in August, the 7th to 167th. ... CSDDDE and ATCHIT. ... ITSI, divided railway station Bayerish Eisenstein CZDE, Campione de Italia CHIT and Samnaun (CHAT).
       Jul 22, 2004 @ 20:27 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14733. ROUA
       Couple of nice border pix, with a marker. I figure they are ROUA, right? http://www.macalik.cz/rum.htm Jesper
       Jul 22, 2004 @ 20:32 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14734. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Central European Border Trip
       ... Ahem, actually, there is another thing, too... Border marker I (one) of the Jungholz circumference is indirect, and labelled I Ö in the defining
       Jul 22, 2004 @ 20:35 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
14735. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Central European Border Trip
       Oh ATCHDE should have been ATCZDE. But it possible we complete ATCHDE as we might visit where ATDE enters the lake. The two other lake terminus we did on
       Jul 22, 2004 @ 20:36 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14736. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ROUA
       And what border marks this fence? http://acid.wz.cz/7/Cundr%20na%20Vranove/Cundr%20na%20Vranove.htm Jesper ... From: Jesper Nielsen To:
       Jul 22, 2004 @ 20:42 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14737. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ROUA
       http://www.aldebaran.cz/actions/2001_africa/report.html ZAZW Berlin copy? Jesper ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday,
       Jul 22, 2004 @ 20:45 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14738. Re: More Map Sites + Re: Unknown situation Irland-Northern-Irland
       Very interesting map sites, Arif. Confronted the Atchlin map from Liechtestein site previously posted here with the austria and switzerland ones, we can see
       Jul 22, 2004 @ 22:04 - marcelmiquel@correu.vilaweb.com (<marcelmiquel@correu.vilaweb.com>)
14739. Re: Central European Border Trip
       well the 3 lake termini are not equidistant from the most putative atchde tripoint position but it is just that 3 median lines proceeding into the lake from
       Jul 22, 2004 @ 21:07 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14740. More Map Sites + Re: Unknown situation Irland-Northern-Irland
       which bank of the river do they all show atchlin to be on we already think we know from treaty texts that the thalweg is correct so maybe the thalweg just
       Jul 22, 2004 @ 21:28 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14741. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Central European Border Trip
       Could one of you pick me up in Deep Cove? I ll be standing by the bus stop, looking wistfully east, feeling sad that I cannot be there. Sometimes living on
       Jul 23, 2004 @ 00:36 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
14742. Re: Central European Border Trip
       yes gladly a sad pick me up from a real drag on a bad day in a deep cove is better than cheers that cannot be there in a wistful cubicle by the bus stop ...
       Jul 23, 2004 @ 02:12 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14743. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Central European Border Trip
       My count is at 14, and all 4 of the tripoints will be new for me (this is not true for Peter and Jesper). ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!?
       Jul 23, 2004 @ 04:05 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14744. Afg-Pak border crossing photo
       http://www.gems-afghan.com/cgi-bin/aslides.pl?9&8
       Jul 23, 2004 @ 06:17 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
14745. more Afg-Pak and Khyber Pass
       http://www.gems-afghan.com/cgi-bin/aslides.pl?10&8 http://www.gems-afghan.com/cgi-bin/aslides.pl?10&5 http://www.gems-afghan.com/cgi-bin/aslides.pl?10&6
       Jul 23, 2004 @ 06:22 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
14746. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ROUA
       HUSK? http://www.iarelative.com/v.htm http://www.iarelative.com/nm3411.htm ... http://acid.wz.cz/7/Cundr%20na%20Vranove/Cundr%20na%20Vranove.htm ...
       Jul 23, 2004 @ 06:32 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14747. bw&zm schmooze arab bank & nip nip donor for bwnazmzw bridge
       price tag is looking like 460 million pula thats 101 mellowbucks at todays exchange rate
       Jul 23, 2004 @ 15:01 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
14748. visitation of virgin bjneng presumably class a
       http://www.news24.com/News24/Africa/News/0,,2-11-1447_1561979,00.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo! s next ad
       Jul 23, 2004 @ 15:10 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
14749. Re: Central European Border Trip
       right so you will round out our elite half dozen to have eaten an entire golf course of them
       Jul 23, 2004 @ 15:39 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14750. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Central European Border Trip
       Now that we also will do a class a on ATCZDE, do I not go past Rolf? Jesper ... From: aletheiak To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004
       Jul 23, 2004 @ 18:24 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14751. ATCHLIN was Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       See attached alignment from 135 to 133 (by the signs at the hill). Could 134 be there by the people? Jesper ... From: aletheiak To:
       Jul 23, 2004 @ 19:45 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
14752. Spanish Map Site
       Actually, if you look in the catalog in the Spanish map site and download the program image web server, you can click on individual parts of a overview map
       Jul 23, 2004 @ 19:50 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
14753. Re: Central European Border Trip
       aha & of course you are right so the corrected projected standings & medals of our olympians with their anticipated total numbers of tricountry points tried
       Jul 23, 2004 @ 20:18 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14754. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Central European Border Trip
       This means I will have to move heaven and earth to reclaim a tie for 3rd spot. A free ticket to Europe in 2 weeks would be a start. But doubtful. More likely:
       Jul 23, 2004 @ 20:21 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
14755. Re: Central European Border Trip
       ... tie for 3rd spot. ... doubtful. ... nice tries doug but no amount of additional trying for bzgtmx will increase your total count of tricountry points tried
       Jul 23, 2004 @ 21:10 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14756. Re: ATCHLIN was Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       hmm are you sure of the right direction had you not said it this way i would have guessed this shot was just the opposite alignment which is to say f r o m 133
       Jul 23, 2004 @ 21:59 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14757. Re: ATCHLIN was Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       oops never mind about my alignment question & clearly you were right to say it this way as 133 is round on top & looks different from 134 & 135 & 136 which are
       Jul 23, 2004 @ 22:27 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14758. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ATCHLIN was Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       aha yes i just spotted the people they are so tiny yes relatively speaking by or near the people there but following the line on top of the monument in the
       Jul 23, 2004 @ 22:42 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
14759. Border situation in Ferghana Valley
       I am here forwarding a news report dealing with the border situation in Ferghana Valley. I have got the report from the oxiana newsgroup. Best wishes,
       Jul 23, 2004 @ 23:35 - Christian Berghänel (=?UTF-8?Q?Christian_Bergh=C3=A4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
14760. Ohio not part of US until 1803
       Anyone want to comment on this item: Ohio signed up to join the US in 1803, but was not formally admitted by Congress until 7 August 1953, retroactive to 1803!
       Jul 24, 2004 @ 02:14 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
14761. dont know where this is going but
       of possible if peripheral interest as any tripoints in it are only implicit http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/25/books/chapters/0725-1st-ferguson.html
       Jul 24, 2004 @ 14:41 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
14762. Re: [BoundaryPoint] dont know where this is going but
       aha here is where it was going or came from http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/25/books/review/25GADDISL.html?pagewanted=1&8bl doh apologies for any overstretch
       Jul 24, 2004 @ 14:59 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
14763. For your Information
       Hi Friends, Check out this is web store at www.RecreationSky.com . It is a store that is tailored for people interested in and involved in recreation
       Jul 24, 2004 @ 19:47 - Peter Powell ("Peter Powell" <imaque_ltd@...>)
14764. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ATCHLIN was Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       Yes. The 135 s alignment is not good if it was meant to hit 134 or 133. Jesper ... From: aletheia kallos To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July
       Jul 24, 2004 @ 20:22 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14765. Fw: [BoundaryPoint] Border situation in Ferghana Valley
       I just bought a 1:1 750 000 map of the region, please see the scan. Dispite the poor scale, I am keen to scan other areas of the map, it has many tripoints.
       Jul 24, 2004 @ 20:21 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
14766. Re: [BoundaryPoint] For your Information
       ... Well, if you are Peter Powell , you should be disclosing that you are the owner of that website. Furthermore, most people would consider your email as
       Jul 24, 2004 @ 20:09 - Dave Patton [DCP] ("Dave Patton [DCP]" <dpatton@...>)
14767. Re: [BoundaryPoint] For your Information
       http://www.whois.com/nonssl/WhoisLookup.aspx?dnl=recreationsky.com ... From: Dave Patton [DCP] To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004
       Jul 24, 2004 @ 20:58 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14768. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Ohio not part of US until 1803
       The most honest thing that can be said about this is that Ohio became a state around 1803, but the Congress left it slightly ambiguous as to the exact date of
       Jul 24, 2004 @ 21:44 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14769. Weolcome to Europe
       http://www.kuljetusnelio.fi/present/russia.htm
       Jul 24, 2004 @ 21:47 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14770. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Spanish Map Site
       Are you sure you can see the 1:25000 maps? I tried with no luck with Gibraltar and the African fragments. Jesper ... From: Arif Samad To:
       Jul 24, 2004 @ 22:32 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14771. Re: ATCHLIN was Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       whoops it appears from what you say that you may still have your lines slightly crossed so let me review just to make sure you will have them straight in the
       Jul 24, 2004 @ 22:59 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14772. Re: ATCHLIN was Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       further crunching of the geocoords of all 4 markers reveals 134 is only about 5 or 6 mm off the alignment of 135 & 136 but 133 is about 5 or 6 cm off the
       Jul 25, 2004 @ 06:04 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14773. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ROUA
       None. This is a signaling fence, a barbed wire with electricity in it, and some towers for surveing movement from above. On the other side of the fence is
       Jul 25, 2004 @ 13:12 - Petter Brabec (=?iso-8859-1?q?Petter=20Brabec?= <pete2784west@...>)
14774. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ROUA
       Yes, today. In 1984 between Soviet Union and Romania, in 1944 between Hungary and Romania, in 1934 between Czechoslovakia and Romania, in 1914 as a single
       Jul 25, 2004 @ 14:01 - Petter Brabec (=?iso-8859-1?q?Petter=20Brabec?= <pete2784west@...>)
14775. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ATCHLIN was Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       You are not getting the point. You cannot trust lines on top of a border marker. Jesper ... From: aletheiak To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday,
       Jul 25, 2004 @ 14:16 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14776. mouse gas roar freaks ozzie election & stalls tripoint talks
       http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/07/25/australia.timor.gas.reut/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check
       Jul 25, 2004 @ 14:31 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
14777. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Central European Border Trip
       I have been to ATCZDE last year in July. Hope, you ll get a nice weather. Petter Jesper Nielsen wrote: Now that we also will do a class a on
       Jul 25, 2004 @ 14:32 - Petter Brabec (=?iso-8859-1?q?Petter=20Brabec?= <pete2784west@...>)
14778. dragon signals bumpy ride for cnin tripoint 6pak talks
       but why so now just as progress looks so easy http://sify.com/news/othernews/fullstory.php?id=13529144 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo!
       Jul 25, 2004 @ 14:54 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
14779. Re: ATCHLIN was Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       what point am i not getting i agree with this which is why this whole discussion began with a request to check marker 135 for frost heaving or other aberration
       Jul 25, 2004 @ 15:05 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14780. Re: Central European Border Trip
       also please note in this olympic event the class of the try is considered irrelevant it is only the fact of the try that is counted if we kept track of
       Jul 25, 2004 @ 15:41 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14781. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Central European Border Trip
       I would prefer to have these catagories: A. Visiting, touching, circling a dry tp monument B. Close dry spot near wet tripoint with no marking C. Reasonable
       Jul 25, 2004 @ 16:06 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14782. Administrative divisions in Prague
       CEBT is starting from Prague, and I was wondering if any of you know the administrative divisions in Prague. Fun to do a Prague adm tp! Jesper
       Jul 25, 2004 @ 16:10 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14783. Re: Central European Border Trip
       thats fine you have them as i say use all the steroids you want but in my view each of these categories you prefer includes a compromise or copout from a
       Jul 25, 2004 @ 17:36 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14784. DEPL Iron curtian
       Attached two photos taken few days before PL joined EU. They show a border strip on PL land, so PL wanted to keep people leaving PL. But why? In cold war time
       Jul 25, 2004 @ 19:51 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
14785. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Administrative divisions in Prague
       Jesper & tp bros., happy hunting! I have come from Prague last week. This is no difficult task, although I have never even consider it as an option! If you buy
       Jul 25, 2004 @ 20:07 - Petter Brabec (=?iso-8859-1?q?Petter=20Brabec?= <pete2784west@...>)
14786. New abbreviations on some eastern european markers
       Attached photo from a YU border marker changed from SFRJ to SRJ. SFRJ = Socijalistièka Federativna Republika Jugoslavija so after the break up they removed
       Jul 25, 2004 @ 20:25 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
14787. Re: [BoundaryPoint] DEPL Iron curtian
       It might have been the other way. In the old days, the GDR regime had much stricter policy on traveling abroad. The citizens of GDR could travel freely,
       Jul 25, 2004 @ 20:32 - Petter Brabec (=?iso-8859-1?q?Petter=20Brabec?= <pete2784west@...>)
14788. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New abbreviations on some eastern european markers
       Yes, they will have to. Yugoslavias name today is in fact Serbia and Montenegro or Srbija i Crna Gora. So from SFRJ to SRJ to SCG? :-) Petter Jesper Nielsen
       Jul 25, 2004 @ 20:40 - Petter Brabec (=?iso-8859-1?q?Petter=20Brabec?= <pete2784west@...>)
14789. Re: [BoundaryPoint] DEPL Iron curtian
       I know, from the old days, that all the borders in the Eastern Bloc were closed off. In fact, I remember crossing from Poland - DDR at night and the border was
       Jul 25, 2004 @ 22:09 - John J. Kelly ("John J. Kelly" <johnkelly@...>)
14790. Benin-Nigeria boundary modification
       Anyone know any more about this? Brendan
       Jul 25, 2004 @ 23:21 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
14791. Belg-Neth electric fence 1915-18
       An article on smuggling on the Belgian-Dutch boundary with a photo of the electric fence the Germans built along it in WW1. Site in Dutch.
       Jul 25, 2004 @ 23:41 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
14792. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Administrative divisions in Prague
       My link site has map links for Prague. They might have detailed enough maps for the Prague tripoints. I would have added the exact link if I had any time in
       Jul 26, 2004 @ 08:54 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
14793. Re: [BoundaryPoint] DEPL Iron curtian
       Road and railway bordercrossings in the communist regimes were guarded especially good, but by far not as tightly as the Iron Curtain. The Soviet Union and
       Jul 26, 2004 @ 09:29 - Petter Brabec (=?iso-8859-1?q?Petter=20Brabec?= <pete2784west@...>)
14794. alignments & desires
       there are always those who thrive when masses are dying of sickness there are always those who thrive economically when economic decline seems to be the order
       Jul 26, 2004 @ 17:28 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
14795. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       Looks like a bush to me. See attachment. Jesper ... From: Ernst Stavro Blofeld To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 9:28 PM Subject:
       Jul 26, 2004 @ 18:18 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
14796. Help : Baarle in road atlas
       Hi I am trying to make a border presentation, and I am looking for a good map of the BENL showing Baarle. What I search is sort of a road atlas map with most
       Jul 26, 2004 @ 18:06 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14797. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       ... Aha! But I ran the picture through some highly sophisticated satellite image analysis software that we have here at my top secret work. It clearly
       Jul 26, 2004 @ 18:55 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@yahoo.com>)
14798. new adesfrw pic
       http://www.lamuntanya.com/zones/pir_est/paginespirest/ pir2002_cim_del_Medacorba_(2926m).htm marcel ... Aquest missatge ha estat enviat des del servei de
       Jul 26, 2004 @ 21:16 - marcelmiquel@correu.vilaweb.com (<marcelmiquel@...>)
14799. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       How far is 135 from 136? Jesper ... From: Ernst Stavro Blofeld To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 8:55 PM Subject: Re:
       Jul 26, 2004 @ 20:13 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14800. Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       159 meters & 982 millimeters why ... of Service.
       Jul 26, 2004 @ 21:13 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14801. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       then it cannot be the one on the other bank... ... From: aletheiak To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 11:13 PM Subject:
       Jul 26, 2004 @ 21:16 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14802. Re: new adesfrw pic
       can you refresh my memory were we expecting to find a marker there or just the bare summit
       Jul 26, 2004 @ 21:16 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14803. Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       what do you mean all indications are that 135 & 136 are a pair of riverbank sighting rocks ... Terms ... of Service.
       Jul 26, 2004 @ 21:29 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14804. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       ... Are you quite sure? I am afraid I don t have a good topomap of the area, but I have attached a scan from the area where the southern border of LI enters
       Jul 26, 2004 @ 21:49 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@yahoo.com>)
14805. Extraterritorial marker at Buesingen
       The recent discussion of a border marker on the CH-bank at ATCHLIN made me take a second look at the situation at Buesingen, which is similar in that the
       Jul 26, 2004 @ 22:07 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@yahoo.com>)
14806. Border news - Kazakhstan-Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan-Uzbekistan
       Forwarding some of today s news from RFE/RL. Best wishes, ______________________________ Christian Berghänel Sweden christian.berghanel@swipnet.se ... From:
       Jul 26, 2004 @ 22:52 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
14807. Re: Extraterritorial marker at Buesingen
       Are you certain it s extraterritorial (i.e., is a border marker under German extraterritorial administration) or just a remnant now owned by the Swiss, that
       Jul 26, 2004 @ 23:04 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
14808. Re: Extraterritorial marker at Buesingen
       ... there are several privately owned tristate points in the usa ... right as recently mentioned this is common practice ... there are several tristate markers
       Jul 26, 2004 @ 23:10 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14809. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       Maybe it seems too long of a distance to fit the picture? I would not have guessed 160 meters would be the distance between the red circle and marker 135. (I
       Jul 26, 2004 @ 23:53 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14810. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New abbreviations on some eastern european markers
       This is the marker near HRHUYU. It is taken from disputed territory of Croatia-Yugoslavia, looking into Hungary where Jesper is. ...
       Jul 27, 2004 @ 01:19 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14811. Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       theres a lot you can tell without having been there nor does having been there necessarily mean you can tell thanx to everything we have learned but especially
       Jul 27, 2004 @ 01:43 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14812. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       I agree it is reasonable after seeing these 3 pics. If the true sight line can be found (135-136), that would be better than 135-134. So I hope we see 136
       Jul 27, 2004 @ 02:00 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14813. Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       exactly but as mentioned 136 is only millimetrically better than 134 & 134 is only centimetrically better than 133 & the line on top of 135 alone is of unknown
       Jul 27, 2004 @ 03:50 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14814. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border news - Kazakhstan-Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan-Uzbekistan
       http://eng.gateway.kg/batken The mentioned Batken Oblast is newly created (1999) and thus not on many maps you will find on the internet. Batken Oblast is the
       Jul 27, 2004 @ 04:48 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14815. Re: Central European Border Trip
       Jesper & Peter & Mike I wish you the best of luck on your new tripoint trip, and although I am of course a little, well, very, envious, I intend to reconquer
       Jul 27, 2004 @ 06:06 - Rolf Palmberg ("Rolf Palmberg" <rpalmber@...>)
14816. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Extraterritorial marker at Buesingen
       ... Yes, I agree it is probably not extraterritorial in the ordinary sense, but is is certainly located outside ( extra ) the territory that it helps limit.
       Jul 27, 2004 @ 06:50 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
14817. Visit to BCIDWA (and 49N 117W)
       I ve posted the narrative and photos detailing my recent visit to the British Columbia/Idaho/Washington (BCIDWA) tripoint and 49N 117W degree confluence on the
       Jul 27, 2004 @ 07:44 - Dave Patton [DCP] ("Dave Patton [DCP]" <dpatton@...>)
14818. Re: Visit to BCIDWA (and 49N 117W)
       ... http://www.confluence.org/confluence.php?lat=49&lon=-117&visi t=4 ... me too as there are several difficulties here beyond my ability to resolve first tho
       Jul 27, 2004 @ 10:33 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14819. Re: Visit to BCIDWA (and 49N 117W)
       never mind i figured out what was wrong the correct monument numbers are 194 & 195 not 195 & 196 dohhh back to the cruncher & i will report in again with real
       Jul 27, 2004 @ 14:53 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14820. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Visit to BCIDWA (and 49N 117W)
       ... We were slashdotted yesterday(i.e. someone posted an article about the DCP on slashdot.org), which has caused higher than normal server loads. ... Of
       Jul 27, 2004 @ 15:58 - Dave Patton [DCP] ("Dave Patton [DCP]" <dpatton@...>)
14821. Re: Visit to BCIDWA (and 49N 117W)
       ok it is an even better conundrum now that i presumably have the right data again & only part of the difficulty lies in how many significant digits to trust
       Jul 27, 2004 @ 16:11 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14822. Re: Extraterritorial marker at Buesingen
       I have an image of one or two.... I ll dig them out and email them to you. Len
       Jul 27, 2004 @ 16:22 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
14823. Re: Visit to BCIDWA (and 49N 117W)
       ... si ... article ... than ... yes thanx more below ... the ... for this reason i did also use the nad27 & convert them to nad83 myself & derive an extra
       Jul 27, 2004 @ 16:27 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14824. Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       ... this has finally arrived in good form & it led me back to http://www.ris.bka.gv.at/taweb-cgi/taweb where distances as well as intermediate markers are
       Jul 27, 2004 @ 18:23 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14825. cn&in finish 17th round of 6pak talks
       http://www.politinfo.com/articles/article_2004_07_27_3610.html http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=51837
       Jul 27, 2004 @ 17:24 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
14826. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Extraterritorial marker at Buesingen
       ... From: aletheiak To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 1:10 AM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Extraterritorial marker at Buesingen
       Jul 27, 2004 @ 19:02 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14827. ATCHLIN topomap
       Not much new. But perhaps somethig about distance. Jesper
       Jul 27, 2004 @ 19:11 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
14828. Re: Extraterritorial marker at Buesingen
       ... PROVEN UNFOUNDED. I DIDN T VERIFY THE ASIAN ONE YET. NO PROOF OF COMMON PRACTISE YET. what are you shouting at trust me if you still dont see keep looking
       Jul 27, 2004 @ 19:38 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14829. Papers Please
       Canadian border officials demand proof of job: http://tinyurl.com/5p9va Cheers! Doug Doug Murray Productions/Border Films sounds+images+words North Vancouver,
       Jul 27, 2004 @ 19:50 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
14830. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ATCHLIN topomap
       ... that is very useful tho because if correct & accurate it reconfirms the idea that 136 stands atop the embankment & this makes a lot of sense too since it
       Jul 27, 2004 @ 19:53 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
14831. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Extraterritorial marker at Buesingen
       Evidence : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/14726 Jesper ... From: aletheiak To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004
       Jul 27, 2004 @ 19:59 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14832. Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       what evidence do you mean i have already answered this with chapter & verse in messages 14729 & 12459 it is marker number 2 there why not read that text but
       Jul 27, 2004 @ 22:12 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14833. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Visit to BCIDWA (and 49N 117W)
       ... What method/software are you using for your calculations? ... Because unless you know the datum used to express coordinates, you don t really know the
       Jul 28, 2004 @ 02:05 - Dave Patton [DCP] ("Dave Patton [DCP]" <dpatton@...>)
14834. Re: Visit to BCIDWA (and 49N 117W)
       ... sit=4 ... 2 ... i dont know how it is done but i just use this online converter http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/nadcon.prl which is presumably to nad27
       Jul 28, 2004 @ 04:05 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14835. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Visit to BCIDWA (and 49N 117W)
       What is the authority of the GLO / General Land Office? All the info we have seen talks about the 1909 USGS marker. Whether we can verify the center of the
       Jul 28, 2004 @ 04:08 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14836. River boundaries
       Greetings BoundaryPoint folks, I m new to the group, and have been having great fun browsing the past messages and the items in the file repository. I
       Jul 28, 2004 @ 04:37 - Clive Dawson (Clive Dawson <cdawson4@...>)
14837. Re: [BoundaryPoint] River boundaries
       Clive, Welcome among us! The best source of authoritative boundary descriptions is BOUNDARIES OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE SEVERAL STATES [BUS&SS] by Franklin
       Jul 28, 2004 @ 05:57 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14838. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Visit to BCIDWA (and 49N 117W)
       The Congress created the General Land Office in 1812 in the Department of the Treasury to oversee the disposition of federal lands. In 1946, the GLO was
       Jul 28, 2004 @ 06:35 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14839. Tripoint rating or classes
       Obviously, one can find tripoints just about at any level. Are you members of this group having some standard of tripoint classes. I would compare it to
       Jul 28, 2004 @ 06:58 - Petter Brabec (=?iso-8859-1?q?Petter=20Brabec?= <pete2784west@...>)
14840. Re: new adesfrw pic
       Yes, we have another pic with a sort of stone monument. It s possible that the monument is behind the photographer: the group of alpinists seems to stay on a
       Jul 28, 2004 @ 08:01 - marcelmiquelcat ("marcelmiquelcat" <marcelmiquel@...>)
14841. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: new adesfrw pic
       which photo, cannot look at them all _____ From: marcelmiquelcat [mailto:marcelmiquel@correu.vilaweb.com] Sent: 28 July 2004 09:02 To:
       Jul 28, 2004 @ 08:30 - Bill Burke ("Bill Burke" <billb@...>)
14842. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: new adesfrw pic
       sorry, found it, I must be blind _____ From: Bill Burke Sent: 28 July 2004 09:31 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: new adesfrw
       Jul 28, 2004 @ 08:37 - Bill Burke ("Bill Burke" <billb@...>)
14843. ADESFRW-tripoint conquered!
       On july 20th I succeeded in climbing Pic de Médecourbe, the ADESFRW-tripoint. After carefully traversing snowfields en doing some rock climbing, I finally
       Jul 28, 2004 @ 11:36 - eefberns@grenspalen.nl (<eefberns@grenspalen.nl>)
14844. Tripoint BG-TR-GR
       After a while, here comes the scan of the map I had obtained couple of months ago. Anybody having any closer information or pics from the area? Ny versjon av
       Jul 28, 2004 @ 15:24 - Petter Brabec (=?iso-8859-1?q?Petter=20Brabec?= <pete2784west@yahoo.no>)
14845. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ADESFRW-tripoint conquered!
       bravissimos & kudissimos eef positively our most demanding & dramatic culmination to date is that a cairn marker there or what exactly do you have a close pic
       Jul 28, 2004 @ 15:24 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
14846. Re: Tripoint BG-TR-GR
       thanx for delivering tho so you are probably aware of messages 14445 & 14439 & 1450 where this point is also identified as bggrtr nothing more has been
       Jul 28, 2004 @ 16:02 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14847. Re: Tripoint rating or classes
       ... it, just there where the exact tripoint is? again you are mixing 2 questions at once for how close one can get we have been using an abcde scale but
       Jul 28, 2004 @ 17:19 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14848. Re: River boundaries
       please look for various inserts ... same here ... BOUNDARIES OF THE ... Franklin K. Van Zandt. The ... Survey Professional ... at the UT ... version of the
       Jul 28, 2004 @ 18:44 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14849. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       OK. We will solve this dispute in a few weeks. Anyway, looked at the video I took at ATCHLIN during GCEBE, and there were a bm# 134. I also shoot several
       Jul 28, 2004 @ 18:56 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14850. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: River boundaries
       ... A few others and I were assisting Brian with the proofreading and correcting of his OCR scans. I think that work is all done. Brian, can you elaborate?
       Jul 28, 2004 @ 19:06 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14851. Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       ok good & we know 134 is virtually as fine as 136 so you have very effectively made your point i dont understand dispute ... and there were a bm# 134. I also
       Jul 28, 2004 @ 19:07 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14852. Re: Visit to BCIDWA (and 49N 117W)
       ... they do appear in 1925 to have observed & scrupulously imitated the meridian of the state line as marked in 1909 because that is precisely the separation
       Jul 28, 2004 @ 20:22 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14853. Re: Visit to BCIDWA (and 49N 117W)
       whooops a crossing of the eyeballs & slip of the tongue corrected below please read eastward for westward & vice versa ... imitated ... boise ... please cross
       Jul 28, 2004 @ 20:33 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14854. river boundaries
       Clive, The Murray River is entirely in NSW. The boundary with Victoria is at the top of the left (ie southern) bank, which may be some distance inland and
       Jul 28, 2004 @ 23:28 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
14855. Re: Divided building (DEFR) near DEFRLU
       Hmm link not working. Is it an aerial photograph of the map Peter brought up? ... A
       Jul 29, 2004 @ 01:03 - Michael Kaufman ("Michael Kaufman" <mikekaufman79@...>)
14856. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Divided building (DEFR) near DEFRLU
       not really a pic of the map which it rather confounds on this detail but certainly of the same island maybe they just need an url change tho after all this
       Jul 29, 2004 @ 03:34 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
14857. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Divided building (DEFR) near DEFRLU
       ok now. wont be going there this time, but maybe in a subsequent trip. ... http://www.luxalbum.com/communes/echternach/mompach/aero-moersdorf.htm ...
       Jul 29, 2004 @ 04:30 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14858. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Divided building (DEFR) near DEFRLU
       hmm wonder what that light colored area is on the right side of the island... ... http://www.luxalbum.com/communes/echternach/mompach/aero-moersdorf.htm ...
       Jul 29, 2004 @ 04:36 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14859. Re: Divided building (DEFR) near DEFRLU
       looks like cleared land & 1 or 2 small structures ... http://www.luxalbum.com/communes/echternach/mompach/aero -moersdorf.htm ...
       Jul 29, 2004 @ 05:05 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14860. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Tripoint rating or classes
       MINE INSERTIONS WITH CAPITAL LETTERS FOLLOW BELOW.. ... members of this group having some standard of tripoint classes. thanx for this & all these interesting
       Jul 29, 2004 @ 07:08 - Petter Brabec (=?iso-8859-1?q?Petter=20Brabec?= <pete2784west@...>)
14861. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ADESFRW-tripoint conquered!
       On the summit was a stone cairn with a iron pole stuck in it. The French topo-map indicates a border marker at the site. I didn t see anything else then this
       Jul 29, 2004 @ 07:13 - eefberns@grenspalen.nl (<eefberns@...>)
14862. Re: ADESFRW-tripoint conquered!
       ... The French ... anything else ... climbed this ... indeed the 2 of you have truly earned & won this point for yourselves & us but is this pole the tall thin
       Jul 29, 2004 @ 14:50 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14863. Re: Tripoint rating or classes
       ... EXACTLY MEAN HERE? ... class a means you absolutely got it & this is normally applied only to marked tripoints where typically you could put your fingertip
       Jul 29, 2004 @ 16:07 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14864. Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
       What exactly is the political status of the UN.Has the land alloted it in NYC been surrendered to the UN as an entity separate from the USA..or is the space
       Jul 29, 2004 @ 18:26 - raedwulf16 ("raedwulf16" <raedwulf16@...>)
14865. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
       I do not know the precise status of the property as to land ownership or to the UN s tenure upon it, but its political status is somewhat analogous to that of
       Jul 29, 2004 @ 18:43 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14866. Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
       the united nations itself calls the entire 18 acres an international zone & describes it as a condo belonging to all 191 of its members
       Jul 29, 2004 @ 21:46 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14867. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
       I must say that the UN site does not use the word condominium, but calls its 18 acres an international zone belonging to all Member States. This begs the
       Jul 29, 2004 @ 23:28 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14868. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Divided building (DEFR) near DEFRLU
       yeah...the small one to the right could be a border monument. I think the French/Spanish condo island Konpantzia (Ile-des-faisans, Isla de los faisanes) has a
       Jul 30, 2004 @ 00:30 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14869. Canada USA Border photo directory
       I am back from my vacations and I have started to upload more images of monuments and splitted houses along the border. Can you see that guy at the pic nic
       Jul 30, 2004 @ 03:16 - François Descôteaux (=?iso-8859-1?B?RnJhbudvaXMgRGVzY/R0ZWF1eA==?= <ve2ogh@...>)
14870. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
       Lowell- Thanks for these quotes. I see what you say about east of the Rockies. But then for the section west of the Rockies: The line so defined and laid
       Jul 30, 2004 @ 05:02 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14871. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Tripoint rating or classes
       Okay, so if the tripoint is a few kilometers away, but has a pole clearly marking the location, does that count as a class c or a class d? I m thinking of the
       Jul 30, 2004 @ 05:09 - Asher Samuels (Asher Samuels <asher972@...>)
14872. Re: Tripoint rating or classes
       good tough question the hairline between class c & class d is the hardest to shave & you have offered an especially difficult borderline case of it here
       Jul 30, 2004 @ 07:04 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14873. Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
       the bible also says the 1908 gbus treaty described caus in 8 sections & provided for the appointment of a joint commission to recover or restore previously
       Jul 30, 2004 @ 08:02 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14874. Re: Divided building (DEFR) near DEFRLU
       i dont know why there would be a marker on an island in the middle of the delu condo do you & i dont recall an actual border marker in the esfr condo either
       Jul 30, 2004 @ 08:12 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14875. Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
       well then i must say it was i who chose the word condo the informal word for condominium to informally describe this situation of joint rule or ownership of
       Jul 30, 2004 @ 08:30 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14876. Dictionary over border-related expressions
       I have been making some research on how you say some fairly often used words related to borders (in this group), but with no apparent luck. The easiest word to
       Jul 30, 2004 @ 08:43 - pete2784west ("pete2784west" <pete2784west@...>)
14877. Re: Canada USA Border photo directory
       ... images ... see that ... not yet where is he He is the highest person (in latitute)in ... have ... ok but say where to a collection of highest persons is
       Jul 30, 2004 @ 08:43 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14878. Re: Dictionary over border-related expressions
       for borders etc you are on your own but for tripoints you have messages 11178 & 11323 to build on ... fairly often ... apparent ... spanish. It ... files
       Jul 30, 2004 @ 08:54 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14879. Re: Canada USA Border photo directory
       ... images ... have ... Francois...Great set of photos...I gather some are taken near Estcourt Station and Rock Island, but I m not sure about the rest...I
       Jul 30, 2004 @ 14:06 - clynnog2002 ("clynnog2002" <clynnog@...>)
14880. Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
       Interesting that the obvious, the District of Columbia, hasn t been mentioned in this context. Concerning D.C., has any group member ever visited the northern
       Jul 30, 2004 @ 14:28 - spookymike@aol.com (spookymike@...)
14881. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
       The original documents almost always clarify the commentaries. The 1925 treaty details the situation remaining from 1908 in the segment east of the Rockies,
       Jul 30, 2004 @ 16:31 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14882. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoint rating or classes
       ... Is there any formal definition of multipoint type as well? For example, you have international points, state points, county points (which could be at the
       Jul 30, 2004 @ 16:37 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
14883. Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
       happily many intertwingles below ... been mentioned ... actually there is a fleeting mention of it deep in message 14866 ... northern DC-MD-VA ... yes but i
       Jul 30, 2004 @ 17:51 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14884. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Canada USA Border photo directory
       What is the title/marker number of the picture with the beer drinker? ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about
       Jul 30, 2004 @ 22:23 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14885. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Divided building (DEFR) near DEFRLU
       I think it s a cast-off French Provincial chest of drawers deposited there by the last flood. ... Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From:
       Jul 30, 2004 @ 23:52 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14886. Re: Tripoint rating or classes
       ... example, you ... could be at ... so on.. not sure i understand all of what you are looking for kevin but appreciate the opportunity to try to clarify some
       Jul 31, 2004 @ 00:08 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14887. Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
       important correction inserted ... 14866 ... this guess was a blunder by me i now realize but it only underscores the importance of the matthews & nelson data
       Jul 31, 2004 @ 01:16 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14888. Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
       ... commentaries. good point & why consult the bible if you can read god so can you dish up the 1908 text like that too ... the segment east of ... of the text
       Jul 31, 2004 @ 01:46 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14889. Four suggestions for this group
       As a participant in this group, who only occasionaly makes postings, but who does at least look at the subject line of all postings(I receive them by email),
       Jul 31, 2004 @ 02:24 - Dave Patton [DCP] ("Dave Patton [DCP]" <dpatton@...>)
14890. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
       I have found the 1908 treaty since writing my message below. It is at http://www.lexum.umontreal.ca/ca_us/en/cus.1908.299.en.html . All Canado-american
       Jul 31, 2004 @ 03:03 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14891. Asian boundarycross
       Sorry, no new finding - just a question. The boundary cross in Asian is between enclaves, right? So Jungholz is the only boundary cross involiving mainland?
       Jul 31, 2004 @ 10:23 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14892. Re: ADESFRW-tripoint conquered!
       Congratulations, Eef. We await for more photos. marcel ... French ... anything else ... this ... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/grenspalen/
       Jul 31, 2004 @ 12:54 - marcelmiquelcat ("marcelmiquelcat" <marcelmiquel@...>)
14893. Re: Canada USA Border photo directory
       Hi, For those of you who are wondering where to find the highest person in Maine drinking beer click on Photos then on the Canada USA Border directory. Look at
       Jul 31, 2004 @ 13:21 - François Descôteaux (=?iso-8859-1?B?RnJhbudvaXMgRGVzY/R0ZWF1eA==?= <ve2ogh@...>)
14894. Re: Asian boundarycross
       ... silly i am finding this new question fascinating tho & novelty & originality are in themselves a finding as well as a high value imo but assuming you mean
       Jul 31, 2004 @ 14:03 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14895. Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
       ok thanx so now that we have heard them all the gods do say both that there really were 2 slightly different regimes in effect on opposite sides of the rocky
       Jul 31, 2004 @ 14:22 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14896. Re: Divided building (DEFR) near DEFRLU
       Another photo. No signs of buildings there. http://www.mullerthal.lu/dbs/avoir/showpic.php?filename=7- 02.jpg&picid=110&lang=en marcel
       Jul 31, 2004 @ 14:43 - marcelmiquelcat ("marcelmiquelcat" <marcelmiquel@...>)
14897. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Divided building (DEFR) near DEFRLU
       A nice one! I was driving on that road in April, wonder why I didn t spot that :-( Unfurtuntely, I don t have a 1:20 000 og just that area. Jesper ... From:
       Jul 31, 2004 @ 15:08 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14898. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Tripoint rating or classes
       So what class is it, if the monument is so large you cannot climb on it, you can only touch it, or walk around it in a few seconds. PLSKUA would be that kind -
       Jul 31, 2004 @ 15:27 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14899. Re: Four suggestions for this group
       thanxxxx dave & i think all these excellent suggestions certainly would make it easier for the shallowly involved to read the messages but i would not
       Jul 31, 2004 @ 15:30 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14900. Re: Tripoint rating or classes
       ... climb on it, you can only touch it, or walk around it in a few seconds. ... http://www.nicolette.dk/borderbase/tripoint.php?c1=114&c2=124
       Jul 31, 2004 @ 15:47 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14901. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Four suggestions for this group
       ... I don t have the time to do it. ... Anyone who uses services such as Tinyurl should always provide the full URL as well. The problem with using things such
       Jul 31, 2004 @ 15:50 - Dave Patton [DCP] ("Dave Patton [DCP]" <dpatton@...>)
14902. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Tripoint rating or classes
       As far as I remember, nobody had a look at the top. It s taller than these pics suggest. Yes, it IS about monument, or markers: this is normally applied only
       Jul 31, 2004 @ 15:57 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14903. Re: Tripoint rating or classes
       ... than these pics suggest. great for that means we still have somewhere to go & grow here fantastic indeed it looks just like atchlis is looking in a way
       Jul 31, 2004 @ 16:28 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14904. details of 17th cnin stall emerge
       procedural snafus & more http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20040809&fname=China+%28F%29&sid=1&pn=1 includes maps of unresolved tripoints
       Jul 31, 2004 @ 20:52 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
14905. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Asian boundarycross
       Enclaves H1 and H2 make the point with Dutch territory...and Very close to another one H1 and H6
       Aug 01, 2004 @ 04:25 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14906. Re: Asian boundarycross
       right & this map reconfirms that the baarle border cross does not in jespers terms here below involve belgian mainland in the way the jungholz cross does
       Aug 01, 2004 @ 13:28 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14907. just down the thalweg from caus2camenb
       a french canadian plymouth rock but yikes it is in the usa http://www.2theadvocate.com/stories/080104/lif_cover2001.shtml
       Aug 01, 2004 @ 14:18 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
14908. mason & dixon stone setting reenactment
       another quaint excursion in the news http://www.delawareonline.com/newsjournal/local/2004/08/01dividinglinedra.html
       Aug 01, 2004 @ 14:38 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
14909. Baarle is wonderfull
       It was just looking at the map Michael just sent the link to: http://www.grenspalen.nl/archief/baarle-map%20met%20enclave-aanduidingen-center.jpg Isn t Baarle
       Aug 01, 2004 @ 17:47 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14910. Re: Visit to BCIDWA (and 49N 117W)
       dave just to sum up now as much as possible & then suspend the try until we can do better ... the ... right & since no news is good news i am even more
       Aug 01, 2004 @ 19:58 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14911. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Visit to BCIDWA (and 49N 117W)
       ... I m still waiting. The person I emailed has been out of the office. I spoke to the secretary of the commissioner last week, and she is going to try and get
       Aug 01, 2004 @ 20:39 - Dave Patton [DCP] ("Dave Patton [DCP]" <dpatton@...>)
14912. Re: Visit to BCIDWA (and 49N 117W)
       ... thats ok it isnt absolutely necessary to check this any more for if it had been nad27 canada the known 5 meter northsouth offset from nad27 conus would
       Aug 01, 2004 @ 22:29 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14913. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Visit to BCIDWA (and 49N 117W)
       ... No, the best way, at least from the East, would be to follow the gravel road past the turnoff I took to get to BCIDWA, and along until it ends near the
       Aug 01, 2004 @ 23:52 - Dave Patton [DCP] ("Dave Patton [DCP]" <dpatton@...>)
14914. Point intersections
       I haven t got my book to hand, but I recall the boundary cross being between Bangladesh proper and one of its enclaves in India Thus it is like Jungholz:
       Aug 02, 2004 @ 00:03 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
14915. Re: Visit to BCIDWA (and 49N 117W)
       very well we appear to be in complete agreement so i too will indulge myself a wish i had done that also but in this case i can fulfill the wish immediately
       Aug 02, 2004 @ 02:50 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14916. RE: Four suggestions for this group
       As another newcomer, I go along with Dave. Of all the groups/lists/etc. to which I subscribe, this one has some of the most interesting discussions, but is the
       Aug 02, 2004 @ 05:05 - Ron McConnell ("Ron McConnell" <rcmcc@...>)
14917. ME-NB-QC
       was wet but now on shore of island? http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=19&n=5238603.00017414&e=496066&datum=nad83 but then compare with the mapquest attachment
       Aug 02, 2004 @ 06:46 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@yahoo.com>)
14918. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Dictionary over border-related expressions
       Thanks. I checked them. There s definitely a start. I will make more research and try to find out more about how to say tripoint in many other languages.
       Aug 02, 2004 @ 08:23 - Petter Brabec (=?iso-8859-1?q?Petter=20Brabec?= <pete2784west@...>)
14919. german border book
       German speakers may be interested to locate a copy of the following book which has some nice border pictures of the GDR-DDR border. I can t comment on the text
       Aug 02, 2004 @ 10:40 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
14920. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ME-NB-QC
       ... http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=19&n=5238603.00017414&e=496066&datum=nad83 ... the only known & best imaginable visit class b as in basically been
       Aug 02, 2004 @ 12:50 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
14921. Re: Dictionary over border-related expressions
       wonderful petter i salute & pet you too for you have chosen a path & a quest with heart & this research will surely sit on the top shelf of any faq pantheon we
       Aug 02, 2004 @ 13:37 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14922. Re: Four suggestions for this group
       welcome ron & thanx ... good he is a good star to emulate & follow ... exactly precisely multipunctissimally so please hold that thought ... i do not think
       Aug 02, 2004 @ 14:51 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14923. Re: ME-NB-QC
       but do you ask because it has been reported dry or has someone recently missed it or what ... http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=19&n=5238603.00017414
       Aug 02, 2004 @ 17:14 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14924. Re: german border book
       ... following book ... me neither but could it just mean the german german border subtitle an analysis of the spatial geographic effects & consequences & of
       Aug 02, 2004 @ 17:56 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14925. Re: ME-NB-QC
       ahaha it was i who recently missed your mapquest attachment but you realize mapquest is notoriously unreliable especially for remote areas ...
       Aug 02, 2004 @ 18:39 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14926. 4. European border expedition sets sail on Saturday!
       I proudly announce the departure of the fourth European border expedition - the CEBT (Central Europ. Border Trip) on SAT, Aug.7. On this very day four brave
       Aug 02, 2004 @ 21:19 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
14927. Re: 4. European border expedition sets sail on Saturday!
       ... Aug.7. ... uploaded ... very tastefully done boss & welcome carsten & bon voyage all 4 this is the cebt file you so 4squarely created in april correct so
       Aug 02, 2004 @ 22:16 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14928. Canada USA Border directory
       Good day all! I have uploaded some more images in my Canada USA Border directory showing some monuments near Hemmingford which is the QUEBEC/NY border.
       Aug 03, 2004 @ 00:48 - François Descôteaux (=?iso-8859-1?B?RnJhbudvaXMgRGVzY/R0ZWF1eA==?= <ve2ogh@...>)
14929. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: german border book
       If you re interested in DDR-Westberlin issues, check out this site. It s about the disconnected S-Bahn railway lines around Berlin. Includes former border and
       Aug 03, 2004 @ 01:29 - John J. Kelly ("John J. Kelly" <johnkelly@...>)
14930. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
       The line so laid down has to do with what is marked on the charts and agreed to by the commissioners. Ok, borderline nitpicking here but it never says
       Aug 03, 2004 @ 03:14 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14931. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ME-NB-QC
       Yep, I know mapquest is not authoritative, but I didn t think it would have depicted an entire island that isn t there. It depicts the tripoint on the shore
       Aug 03, 2004 @ 03:43 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14932. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
       It is the 1925 treaty that specifies a series of right or straight lines joining adjacent monuments ... in lieu of the definition ... quoted in Article VI of
       Aug 03, 2004 @ 05:02 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14933. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
       ... http://www.internationalboundarycommission.org/treaties.htm In 1925, a further treaty made minor adjustments in the boundary line at Grand Manan Channel,
       Aug 03, 2004 @ 05:06 - Dave Patton [DCP] ("Dave Patton [DCP]" <dpatton@...>)
14934. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ME-NB-QC
       Unlike the MXUS river boundaries, which accrete and avulse with the rivers, the CAUS waterway boundaries were frozen long ago. Thus, they do not necessarily
       Aug 03, 2004 @ 05:17 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14935. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
       Ok reading your and Dave s responses, I realize I may not have been clear. I completely agree with the fact that the 1925 treaty changed the Eastern section
       Aug 03, 2004 @ 06:14 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14936. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ME-NB-QC
       Ah so they did freeze the boundaries on CA-US - very interesting, I didn t realize that. So there are probably quite a few of these places where pieces of CA
       Aug 03, 2004 @ 06:24 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14937. Re: ME-NB-QC
       i agree with all of this except your novel idea that mxus or any other boundary for that matter accretes &or avulses & likewise your pet notion expressed or
       Aug 03, 2004 @ 07:23 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14938. Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
       i could understand nitpicking for a multipointing try indeed i wouldnt have it any other way than nitpicking but what would be the point of borderline
       Aug 03, 2004 @ 08:02 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14939. Re: [BoundaryPoint] german border book
       Germans, in general, have their inner boundary as a quite well-researched theme, and there are really many, many publications on the subject with many pics.
       Aug 03, 2004 @ 12:53 - Petter Brabec (=?iso-8859-1?q?Petter=20Brabec?= <pete2784west@...>)
14940. Re: ME-NB-QC
       ... a great many islands to be sure plus probably not quite so many of what you have just shown & called pene enclaves but these are generally or only on
       Aug 03, 2004 @ 16:11 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14941. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ME-NB-QC
       Okay, I will confess that the rivers and boundary to not themselves accrete and avulse. Rather, they move by processes of accretion and events of avulsion.
       Aug 03, 2004 @ 16:25 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14942. Re: ME-NB-QC
       ... themselves accrete and ... events of avulsion. To ... convenient but ... meant. please i didnt & still dont understand which is why i raised the question
       Aug 03, 2004 @ 17:23 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14943. Re: ME-NB-QC
       in lowellspeak so far as i know only iqir could be said to accrete & avulse ... notion ... not ... shall ... the ... year. ... flood, ... the ... streams ...
       Aug 03, 2004 @ 17:54 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14944. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ME-NB-QC
       so the really staggering question here is does iqir ichor mean the shatt al arab is really the blood of the gods ... === message truncated ===
       Aug 03, 2004 @ 18:03 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
14945. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
       I think that the essential difference between the situations along the 49th parallel east and west of the Rocky Mountains was this: Pursuant to the Treaty of
       Aug 03, 2004 @ 17:59 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14946. Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
       thanxx to both of you for picking this intrinsically interesting nit regardless of its irrelevancy to multipointing since in fairness something on the order of
       Aug 03, 2004 @ 18:48 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14947. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       Do we know what RM as in RM Granitstein means? Jesper ... From: Peter Smaardijk To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 6:40 PM
       Aug 03, 2004 @ 18:50 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14948. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ME-NB-QC
       Some people do not understand because they do not wish to understand. You are correct that the boundary does not change solely and immediately because of an
       Aug 03, 2004 @ 18:53 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14949. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
       The 1925 treaty tells us that the maximum width of the average sliver was four inches, and the maximum width of the largest one was 21.6 inches. That should
       Aug 03, 2004 @ 19:15 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14950. Re: ME-NB-QC
       ... understand. ... immediately because ... non-intent to ... change in ... typical boundary ... to say that ... both accretion and ... changed requires ...
       Aug 03, 2004 @ 19:34 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14951. Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       we could guess since rm apparently applies only to the mysterious 136 which we believe determines the absolute truth of atchlin of course with the help of the
       Aug 03, 2004 @ 20:58 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14952. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       How about Remotemarkierung ? Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: aletheiak To: Sent:
       Aug 03, 2004 @ 23:29 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14953. Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       jah markierung for marker i think you may be richten about that rather than marker for marker marker probably doesnt mean the right kind of marker anyway but i
       Aug 04, 2004 @ 00:42 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14954. they wake up on the wrong side of the bed when it rains
       the solution not markers but dams http://allafrica.com/stories/200408030903.html according to http://www.law.fsu.edu/library/collection/LimitsinSeas/IBS037.pdf
       Aug 04, 2004 @ 01:31 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
14955. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       Nein! I was not joking. The only German that I know comes from Google Language Tools. :-) That is where I got Remotemarkierung as the German translation
       Aug 04, 2004 @ 01:51 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
14956. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Benin-Nigeria boundary modification
       Yes - message 14748 which is this link: http://www.news24.com/News24/Africa/News/0,,2-11-1447_1561979,00.html In this news24.com story, it says 7 of Benin s
       Aug 04, 2004 @ 05:25 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14957. Re: [BoundaryPoint] visitation of virgin bjneng presumably class a
       Perhaps this changes the number of arcs in the border arc census, which, for me at least, is stalled until I can find an html version of the IBS pdf or until
       Aug 04, 2004 @ 05:30 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14958. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       ... I believe this to be generally correct, although the exact meaning might be Richtungsmarkierung , Referenzmarkierung or something like that. If you look
       Aug 04, 2004 @ 08:31 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
14959. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Divided building (DEFR) near DEFRLU
       ... Peers, There *could* be remnants of earlier border markers on some islands, but this is extremely unlikely. At the demarcation almost 200 years ago some
       Aug 04, 2004 @ 09:22 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@yahoo.com>)
14960. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Divided building (DEFR) near DEFRLU
       with you loud & clear my fellow beer & peer some kibitzes are inserted & appended ... yes i am definitely interested in these data & anything else you can dish
       Aug 04, 2004 @ 15:34 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
14961. Re: visitation of virgin bjneng presumably class a
       ... well you are in luck then because the google pdf to html conversion is not only excellent in itself but even highlights your search terms for example
       Aug 04, 2004 @ 16:10 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14962. Re: Benin-Nigeria boundary modification
       just following the original newsbreak here at bp on 23 july i recall the int boundaries list also broke a summary or fragment of this info via a different
       Aug 04, 2004 @ 16:34 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14963. Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
       great thanx i feel you must be right one way or the other so can you also decipher or translate the text in message 14924
       Aug 04, 2004 @ 16:39 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14964. SV: [BoundaryPoint] BH enclave in YU???
       Here s yet another source for this area. While visiting Montenegro earlier this summer I bought a map of Serbia-Montenegro & Rebublika Srpska (in
       Aug 04, 2004 @ 17:30 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@swipnet.se>)
14965. Re: german border book
       ... Translation has been requested. I believe the title says something like: The German-German Border: An analysis of its spatial consequences and of
       Aug 04, 2004 @ 17:43 - blofeld_es ("blofeld_es" <blofeld_es@...>)
14966. dcmdvan & mdvawv was Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
       special to spooky please look for further developments inserted far below ... correct ... nelson ... tripoint ... water ... to ... source so i have ordered
       Aug 04, 2004 @ 19:50 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14967. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Baarle is wonderfull
       How many times do you cross the border going by rail from BE proper, passing Baarle, into NL proper: 9 times is my guess. Jesper ... From: Jesper Nielsen To:
       Aug 04, 2004 @ 20:55 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14968. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Benin-Nigeria boundary modification
       From news24.com: The committee confirmed that there are seven Beninois villages being administered by Nigeria and three Nigerian villages presently under the
       Aug 04, 2004 @ 21:44 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14969. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Benin-Nigeria boundary modification
       Nigeria, Benin re-draw border 23/07/2004 07:45 - (SA) Print article email story Abuja - Nigeria and its neighbour Benin on Thursday amicably resolved a
       Aug 04, 2004 @ 21:45 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14970. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: visitation of virgin bjneng presumably class a
       Ok yes this does work good. But still it might not make any difference if they redid the entire border. All of the arcs might have been eliminated. ...
       Aug 04, 2004 @ 21:53 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14971. Re: visitation of virgin bjneng presumably class a
       the original article you just beamed up again may be in contradiction with itself or at least it challenges my credulity for it indicates that the border
       Aug 05, 2004 @ 00:07 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14972. arcs were Re: visitation of virgin bjneng presumably class e
       however i think we can probably save your ass from further analysis here by simply recapping our improved world class border arc count very generally & glibly
       Aug 05, 2004 @ 00:45 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14973. Re: Benin-Nigeria boundary modification
       Last week, I was in a training class in D. C. also attended by a Nigerian government official; we spoke of the border adjustment. He said it stems from a
       Aug 05, 2004 @ 02:57 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
14974. Re: german border book
       My German wife says that s about as close as you can get. LN
       Aug 05, 2004 @ 03:01 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
14975. Re: Benin-Nigeria boundary modification
       your local informant & definitizable uncertainty notwithstanding the icj benin nigeria case still wont be decided for a long time yet & involves only river &
       Aug 05, 2004 @ 04:01 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14976. Re: Benin-Nigeria boundary modification
       bloops i need to correct myself too ... yet ... this is the benin niger case not the benin nigeria case there is no benin nigeria case but all the following is
       Aug 05, 2004 @ 04:13 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14977. Re: [BoundaryPoint] world class border arc census was Re: real bjneng try afoot
       36. No since the border only runs on a tangent to the circumference and then again a straight line in 37. It never runs along the circumference and there is no
       Aug 05, 2004 @ 04:17 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14978. Re: [BoundaryPoint] world class border arc census was Re: real bjneng try afoot
       Updated arc count: 1. DZLYTN http://www.manntaylor.com/FtSaintM.jpg (this could be DZLY and LYTN or just DZLY as per msg. 13465) 2. DZLY
       Aug 05, 2004 @ 05:01 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14979. world class border arc census was Re: real bjneng try afoot
       right & all as previously noticed & noted but still no clear explanation of why the arcs or circumferences which the border doesnt follow are even mentioned in
       Aug 05, 2004 @ 05:10 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14980. Re: [BoundaryPoint] world class border arc census was Re: real bjneng try afoot
       I think it s just a matter of practicality. The circles are used only in regards to specific tangent lines. It is easier to do this since the circles are
       Aug 05, 2004 @ 05:41 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14981. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Baarle is wonderfull
       When I looked in my road atlas of Belgium, I found additional enclaves closer to the belgian border. Are there any pictures of those? Petter Jesper Nielsen
       Aug 05, 2004 @ 10:00 - Petter Brabec (=?iso-8859-1?q?Petter=20Brabec?= <pete2784west@...>)
14982. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Baarle is wonderfull
       Yes, I made pictures of three Baarle-enclaves to the south, they re attached: - N8 with indication of the border, seen from south-west - H20 with indication of
       Aug 05, 2004 @ 11:17 - eefberns@grenspalen.nl (<eefberns@grenspalen.nl>)
14983. world class border arc census was Re: real bjneng try afoot
       thanx this goes a long way toward solving the mystery i think for at least it clearly states the greater part of it why are radial distances used at all here
       Aug 05, 2004 @ 15:30 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14984. Re: Four suggestions for this group
       found on the cutting room floor but taken to heart ... & ron i owe this apology for saving the above line from my replay of your earnest offering & am glad to
       Aug 05, 2004 @ 17:01 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14985. Re: [BoundaryPoint] world class border arc census was Re: real bjneng try afoot
       what mystery? the text is clear and not complicated. ... http://home.worldonline.dk/jesniel/border/african_tripoints.htm#d ...
       Aug 05, 2004 @ 18:26 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14986. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Four suggestions for this group
       How is an & upper or lower case? It just is what it is, an ampersand. ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail -
       Aug 05, 2004 @ 18:29 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14987. cases of ampersands
       ... good question & both are true originally when the ampersand was the 27th letter of the alphabet it was only lower case probabably because it was considered
       Aug 05, 2004 @ 21:41 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14988. world class border arc census was Re: real bjneng try afoot
       oh ok i didnt realize you actually understood it all can you diagram the 3 non border arcs for me then maybe that will show me why they are necessary ...
       Aug 05, 2004 @ 21:52 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14989. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Baarle is wonderfull
       On http://ontology.buffalo.edu/smith/baarle.htm it says under the 1843 section: Most of them lie about five km beyond the Belgian border, but there is also a
       Aug 05, 2004 @ 22:04 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
14990. Re: Baarle is wonderfull
       message 8430 may shed some light & laughter on this query --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Jesper Nielsen wrote: On
       Aug 05, 2004 @ 22:19 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14991. Re: Baarle is wonderfull
       beautiful border cross coverage eef do you know if there is a closeup of the h1h2 pipe stem or do you recall any further details or particulars of or about
       Aug 05, 2004 @ 22:32 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14992. Re: Benin-Nigeria boundary modification
       Notwithstanding everything, it sounds like it. LN
       Aug 06, 2004 @ 00:09 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
14993. inpk cricket thaw reaches divided glacier
       http://www.spacewar.com/2004/040805132331.6ggzswro.html look for further meltdown toward cninpk
       Aug 06, 2004 @ 00:11 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14994. Re: Benin-Nigeria boundary modification
       hahahahaha yep no matter what the meaning of it is ... notwithstanding ... yet ... at all ... by a ... court if ...
       Aug 06, 2004 @ 00:18 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
14995. Re: Baarle is wonderfull
       There are four Belgian pieces outside of town to the SW, and one Dutch one in Belgium proper south of the main B-NL border. Sorry, no photos though. I once
       Aug 06, 2004 @ 00:19 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
14996. Re: Baarle is wonderfull
       I m happy to see someone has photos... I have posted two maps in the Baarle album in the group s photo section. One shows sections of a larger Belgian military
       Aug 06, 2004 @ 00:42 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
14997. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Visit to BCIDWA (and 49N 117W)
       ... I have spoken to both the Canadian Commissioner and Deputy Commissioner of the IBC: - neither one was aware that there are variations of NAD27 - neither
       Aug 06, 2004 @ 02:40 - Dave Patton [DCP] ("Dave Patton [DCP]" <dpatton@...>)
14998. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Baarle is wonderfull
       I believe the only instance of an enclave in an enclave in an enclave is in Cooch-Behar. Eef has a complete set of maps on his site at
       Aug 06, 2004 @ 04:44 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
14999. Re: [BoundaryPoint] cases of ampersands
       roar & hahaha Ampersand is really evolved speak for and per se and or rather & per se and. Sub the English for the Latin and you get & by itself and.
       Aug 06, 2004 @ 05:09 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15000. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Baarle is wonderfull
       What is the proper pronunciation of Baarle ? Thanks, Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA
       Aug 06, 2004 @ 05:11 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15001. Re: [BoundaryPoint] world class border arc census was Re: real bjneng try afoot
       Wait rereading I think I see what you re saying. Ok well we would need to get some good maps for this, but it is certainly doable. ...
       Aug 06, 2004 @ 05:21 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15002. Re: Visit to BCIDWA (and 49N 117W)
       since both the canadian commissioner & deputy never heard of nad27canada & since nad27 unqualified is the same as nad27conus i feel even more confident now
       Aug 06, 2004 @ 07:44 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15003. world class border arc census was Re: real bjneng try afoot
       hahahahaha well as i say i think it would be more doable to match all the beacons to the alignments & just see whats left over than to actually find any good
       Aug 06, 2004 @ 08:22 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15004. Re: Baarle is wonderfull
       barr luh
       Aug 06, 2004 @ 08:38 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15005. Re: Baarle is wonderfull
       
       Aug 06, 2004 @ 08:59 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15006. Re: Baarle is wonderfull
       ... proper, passing Baarle, into NL proper: 9 times is my guess. ... The railway has been dismantled and largely turned into a cycling path (still called the
       Aug 06, 2004 @ 12:07 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15007. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Baarle is wonderfull
       Perhaps a very obvious answer, but I would like to know how you get the number of the message with the topic others are quering about? I mean, I myself have
       Aug 06, 2004 @ 12:31 - Petter Brabec (=?iso-8859-1?q?Petter=20Brabec?= <pete2784west@...>)
15008. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Tripoint rating or classes
       ... EXACTLY MEAN HERE? ... class a means you absolutely got it & this is normally applied only to marked tripoints where typically you could put your fingertip
       Aug 06, 2004 @ 13:00 - Petter Brabec (=?iso-8859-1?q?Petter=20Brabec?= <pete2784west@...>)
15009. Re: Tripoint rating or classes
       ... not sure if this is the old query or a request for more specificity by supposedly objective here i mean the endeavor has been to isolate all possible or
       Aug 06, 2004 @ 15:25 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15010. search & enjoy
       ... you get the number of the message with the topic others are quering about? I mean, I myself have asked many questions that have been already discussed in
       Aug 06, 2004 @ 16:24 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15011. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Baarle is wonderfull
       Thank you! That would have been my guess, but I was not sure by any means. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: aletheiak
       Aug 06, 2004 @ 16:28 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15012. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Tripoint rating or classes
       why right index finger and left eye (as opposed to left finger right eye)? And who was the Baltic sitter? I dont think it could have been part of GBBE since 3
       Aug 06, 2004 @ 20:10 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15013. Re: Tripoint rating or classes
       if you are struggling & clambering up to reach a tripoint at the pinnacle of some tall monument or other object maybe standing on top of your car or someones
       Aug 06, 2004 @ 22:45 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15014. More Map sites and Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Baarle is wonderfull
       The pages http://www.gisvlaanderen.be/geo-vlaanderen/erfgoed/landschappen.html of Flanders and http://gis.provant.be/geoloket/site_topo/viewer.htm of Antwerp
       Aug 07, 2004 @ 04:25 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
15015. Re: More Map sites and Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Baarle is wonderfull
       ... Arif, sorry I need to ask, but would you please post the address of your website again? M __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and
       Aug 07, 2004 @ 08:34 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
15016. Re.: Search & enjoy
       Hi, if you have joined the BoundayPoint Yahoo group then at the bottom of the main window you have a search archive possibility. Hope this helps. KR Laszlo
       Aug 07, 2004 @ 11:17 - lacomaco ("lacomaco" <finance@...>)
15017. Re: Re.: Search & enjoy
       ... bottom of ... welcome & thanxxx laszlo x you can also order up any specific message number at the bottom of the message board
       Aug 07, 2004 @ 12:02 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15018. More Map sites and Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Baarle is wonderfull
       let me answer for arif since he is in the field now that his website is our third link here http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/links or go direct
       Aug 07, 2004 @ 12:08 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15019. more preliminaries to an eventual cninpk try
       http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle.asp?xfile=data/comment/2004/August/comment_August7.xml§ion=comment
       Aug 07, 2004 @ 12:26 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
15020. More Map sites and Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Baarle is wonderfull
       excuse me i meant you can go direct here http://members.aol.com/marismits/geography.htm
       Aug 07, 2004 @ 12:30 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15021. yikes another correction Re: Tripoint rating or classes
       ... position ... compare ... general ... clearly silly of me to be all corrections & no eraser but obviously more deeply is actually more clearly clearly i was
       Aug 07, 2004 @ 13:12 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15022. Re: dcmdvan & mdvawv was Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
       In a message dated 8/5/04 6:15:28 AM, BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com writes:
       Aug 07, 2004 @ 21:51 - spookymike@aol.com (spookymike@...)
15023. dcmdvan & mdvawv was Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
       well i expect to be drifting south thru that neighborhood around the middle of october with the foliage peak & then returning northbound again around cherry
       Aug 08, 2004 @ 00:14 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15024. cebt under sail today
       today also coincidently these words about truth were posted from a nonphysical source everything that you activate in your vibration becomes a truth you can
       Aug 08, 2004 @ 14:26 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15025. Indonesia - East Timor
       From the August 5th 2004 isse of the Far Eastern Economic Review: Jakarta and Dili Near to Border Pact
       Aug 08, 2004 @ 14:55 - lacomaco ("lacomaco" <finance@...>)
15026. Re: Baarle is wonderfull
       the reason i ask for as much detail as possible is that a slightly previous visitor described the marker at that time as a stake pillar
       Aug 08, 2004 @ 17:25 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15027. Re: Indonesia - East Timor
       when access requires filling out a registration form please consider reproducing the text or giving a working member name & password if you can easily do so
       Aug 08, 2004 @ 17:58 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15028. Introducing RecreationSky.com
       Hi Friends, Check out this is web store at www.RecreationSky.com . It is a store that is tailored for people interested in and involved in recreation
       Aug 08, 2004 @ 20:23 - Peter Powell ("Peter Powell" <imaque_ltd@...>)
15029. DCMDVAN via Potomac Heritage Trail
       The description of the Potomac Heitage Trail at http://www.washdc.org/trail8.html says that west of the Chain Bridge, the trail is located beneath the high
       Aug 08, 2004 @ 22:16 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
15030. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Baarle is wonderfull
       Attached a detail of Baarle H1-H2 (quadripoint)bordermarker, being asked for. It seems an ordinary steel pipe. If this pipe has any official status is unclear.
       Aug 08, 2004 @ 22:15 - eefberns@grenspalen.nl (<eefberns@grenspalen.nl>)
15031. Re: DCMDVAN via Potomac Heritage Trail
       i saw that in the trail blurb & on the topo too & figured it must be so even tho the trail is named for the river & even tho it sounds & looks fully 500 feet
       Aug 08, 2004 @ 23:50 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15032. Re: Baarle is wonderfull
       thanx eef it doesnt look too terribly official does it no inscriptions evident just sledge marks i think of course the proof of the pudding could begin
       Aug 09, 2004 @ 00:22 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15033. Re: DCMDVAN via Potomac Heritage Trail
       If you will go to the extreme close-up April 2002 Urban Areas color aerial photo at http://tinyurl.com/3kko5 , you will see the area of the tripoint. These
       Aug 09, 2004 @ 05:59 - lowellgmcmanus ("lowellgmcmanus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15035. Greetings from Jungholz
       Dear BPs Greetings from CEBT team Yesterday will visited CSDDDE and offcourse some points along CZDE. Todays plan is quadropoint in Jungholz. Pozor! Peter,
       Aug 09, 2004 @ 07:07 - jesniel@image.dk (jesniel@...)
15036. Re: DCMDVAN via Potomac Heritage Trail
       insertions ahead ... yes great source thanx ... of ... be ... between ... it is almost undoubtedly parallel to arfa but most probably at a short remove from it
       Aug 09, 2004 @ 13:38 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15037. Re: DCMDVAN via Potomac Heritage Trail
       further observations the potomac heritage trail detour avoids an unknown number of obstacles at river level in the mile or so between the mouth of pimmit run &
       Aug 09, 2004 @ 14:31 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15038. Swedish-Norweigan border (pictures)
       I am enclosing 4 pictures from the border between Sweden and Norway. The pictures are originally from 2002. The pictures are in poor quality, because I have
       Aug 09, 2004 @ 17:32 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@swipnet.se>)
15039. Ferghana (border pictures)
       At http://enews.ferghana.ru/detail.php?id=466 there are 26 photos from the Kyrgyz-Uzbekh border in the Ferghana Valley, and some text about the situation. Best
       Aug 09, 2004 @ 22:22 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
15040. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Ferghana (border pictures)
       http://campus.queens.edu/faculty/jannr/old%20core/stans/kantunnerstan0006.JPG ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more
       Aug 09, 2004 @ 22:59 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
15041. baarle H1/H2 quadripoint
       The pipe has no official status. It simply tells the farmers where the point is when they plant and harvest their fields (the field around the pipe usually
       Aug 10, 2004 @ 00:09 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
15042. Re: DCMDVAN via Potomac Heritage Trail
       I think the high resolution aerial photo shows another high-end house under construction. Most of the light-colored area is the lot and the house sits at the
       Aug 10, 2004 @ 01:26 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
15043. Map sites and Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: DCMDVAN via Potomac Heritage Trail
       Guys...Sorry to burst the bubble, but according to both the Fairfax and Arlington GIS sites, the boundary is not on the walls of the complex. GIS sites can be
       Aug 10, 2004 @ 02:28 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
15044. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: DCMDVAN via Potomac Heritage Trail
       The Arlington County Department of Real Estate Assessments has EVERYTHING on the web, including details on all addresses lots, structures, appraisals, and
       Aug 10, 2004 @ 05:56 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15045. Re: Map sites and Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: DCMDVAN via Potomac Heritage Trail
       Wow! I guess Arif and I passed each other in cyberspace without even knowing it! Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: Arif Samad
       Aug 10, 2004 @ 05:59 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15046. Re: baarle H1/H2 quadripoint
       aha ok thanks just as i suspected & since the marker isnt official then how do we know if it actually marks the quadripoint or if it actually mismarks it the
       Aug 10, 2004 @ 08:04 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15047. Re: baarle H1/H2 quadripoint
       According to the text on Eef s page (the protocol of 1841), there were two parcels of land (nos. 119 and 120 of section F, De Reth ), that were reported as
       Aug 10, 2004 @ 08:54 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15048. Re: DCMDVAN via Potomac Heritage Trail
       ... has EVERYTHING on the ... appraisals, and ... fine couple of ... because it s ... development ... something called ... Pennsylvania Avenue NW, ... from the
       Aug 10, 2004 @ 10:02 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15049. Re: baarle H1/H2 quadripoint
       ... Reth ), ... Baarle-Hertog ... Baarle-Hertog ... on ... Gemeente ; ... then ... thanx very much peter & i got this far all right but then couldnt find the
       Aug 10, 2004 @ 10:34 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15050. Re: baarle H1/H2 quadripoint
       ... It is under Gevonden resulaten ( Found results ), bottom right of the screen. ... You can t get co-ordinates from that map. This is the original 1:2500
       Aug 10, 2004 @ 10:43 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15051. Re: baarle H1/H2 quadripoint
       ok thanxx for both & my browser isnt reading gevonden resulaten but no matter since the direction of hot pursuit has clearly turned toward the cadastre himself
       Aug 10, 2004 @ 15:24 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15052. Re: baarle H1/H2 quadripoint
       ... ResulTaten (sorry for the typo). ... Another way of getting to that map is to zoom in on Baarle by clicking on the initial map, until you see small circles
       Aug 10, 2004 @ 15:43 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15053. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: DCMDVAN via Potomac Heritage Trail
       See three (numbered) insertions below. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: aletheiak To:
       Aug 10, 2004 @ 16:05 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15054. Re: DCMDVAN via Potomac Heritage Trail
       great great great & please look for 3 from me too ... Trail ... McManus ... Assessments ... spent a ... steps, ... to ... block ... corporation ... have ...
       Aug 10, 2004 @ 17:08 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15055. Re: DCMDVAN via Potomac Heritage Trail & baarle quadripoint
       special to lowell & peter from the library ... as ... ok i see it now & it is indeed a substantial improvement over my previous try & it even shows me how i
       Aug 10, 2004 @ 19:01 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15056. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: DCMDVAN via Potomac Heritage Trail & baarle quadripoint
       I m glad to have been of help. Where were you looking the last time you were there? Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: aletheiak
       Aug 10, 2004 @ 21:19 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15057. Re: DCMDVAN via Potomac Heritage Trail & baarle quadripoint
       it looks like i was centering my search maybe 10 or 15 yards too far upstream due mainly to the unexpected mismatch of the property line & county line & i
       Aug 10, 2004 @ 21:55 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15058. meanwhile back on the djeret try
       eritrea makes peace offering at least toward unmee by reopening a vital supply route http://www.eritreadaily.net/news/article81004.htm longtime observers may
       Aug 10, 2004 @ 23:04 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15059. Baarle coordinates.
       Thanks for the maps Peter, nice! There were many divided parcels at Baarle, see for example the map in the back of the ICJ court case records. The coordinates
       Aug 10, 2004 @ 23:58 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
15060. Re: Baarle coordinates.
       ... pp17565-17594, in both ... Nederlanden ... ok thanx & if one just wanted to know the coordinates of the border cross or in other words just for the point
       Aug 11, 2004 @ 02:03 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15061. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: DCMDVAN via Potomac Heritage Trail & baarle quadripoint
       I keep looking at the Fairfax County aerial photo and the Urban Areas photo on Terraserver. I think that the best way to find the boundary below the bluff
       Aug 11, 2004 @ 02:59 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15062. Re: DCMDVAN via Potomac Heritage Trail & baarle quadripoint
       exactly & i also have the same rocks in profile in my river level pix with very substantial agreement of many other features too so even assuming some slight
       Aug 11, 2004 @ 04:01 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15063. yikes done deal on auidtle & auidtlw promised for xmas
       http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2004/s1174360.htm just in the nick of now or never too __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x
       Aug 11, 2004 @ 12:55 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
15064. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Baarle coordinates.
       ... Do you know the full name of the article, and/or the complete page range? I think I can order a copy of the article from my university library, but we d
       Aug 11, 2004 @ 16:49 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
15065. Re: Baarle coordinates.
       great thanx i would pay the freight for the megapoint but not for every turnpoint in baarle in fact i would pay only to learn the megapoint a reward whether it
       Aug 11, 2004 @ 17:25 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15066. hints of bwzw disconnect over bwnazmzw bridge
       a few days old & maybe not worth noticing anyway http://www.gov.bw/cgi-bin/news.cgi?d=20040806&i=Parliament_approves_taxation_order but multipartite agreement
       Aug 11, 2004 @ 17:25 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
15067. Re: DCMDVAN via Potomac Heritage Trail & baarle quadripoint
       I was thinking along the same lines and went looking for some existing photos of that stretch of river. Here is a decent starting point:
       Aug 11, 2004 @ 20:19 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
15068. Re: DCMDVAN via Potomac Heritage Trail & baarle quadripoint
       good shooting from the looks of this pic you could well be at or near true dcmdvan also my scanning is taking longer than expected but i should soon be able to
       Aug 11, 2004 @ 21:37 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15069. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Extraterritorial marker at Buesingen
       hi, i will send pictures of the here shown street, that leeds to the restaurant close to the rhine-river. one can see marker nr. 5 on the fotos and a street,
       Aug 11, 2004 @ 21:50 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
15070. FINOSE report part 2
       I have (finally) developed my remaining pix from the FINOSE trip, so please find a handful of them showing the suspension border bridge at
       Aug 12, 2004 @ 05:33 - Rolf Palmberg (Rolf Palmberg <rpalmber@...>)
15071. Re: Baarle coordinates.
       ... The full name of the article and or the publishing date in the Tractatenblad would be useful, too. I think I can get hold of it in my university library.
       Aug 12, 2004 @ 09:45 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15072. Re: FINOSE report part 2
       ... nicely done rolf in the waning hours or yikes is it the afterglow already of your all too brief global trypointing supremacy since i think peter & jesper
       Aug 12, 2004 @ 09:49 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15073. Re: Baarle coordinates.
       Hi, the convention is available online, in Dutch and French. I have tried finding a direct link, but was not able to do so you ll have to try this: 1) Go to
       Aug 12, 2004 @ 11:13 - Anton Zeilinger ("Anton Zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
15074. Re: Baarle coordinates.
       ... which ... results. ... on ... are ... Thanks! So turning point no. 5109 is the quadripoint. Peter
       Aug 12, 2004 @ 11:39 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15075. Re: Baarle coordinates.
       Hopefully this works: tinyurl.com/3ogfe Peter ... you ll ... click
       Aug 12, 2004 @ 12:05 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15076. Re: Baarle coordinates.
       The co-ordinates are part of this protocol (art. M5.5), but were not included in the online version for technical reasons, it says here. They can be found in
       Aug 12, 2004 @ 12:51 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15077. Re: Baarle coordinates.
       ... not ... here. ... 26-06- ... 1843, no ... the ... annexed ... and ... according to ... place ... would, ... enclave ... the ... beautifully done maestro so
       Aug 12, 2004 @ 13:57 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15078. Re: DCMDVAN via Potomac Heritage Trail & baarle quadripoint
       ... by boat ... for ... even in drought make that a kayak rather than any boat per se & you will still need to wing & pray furiously these so called little
       Aug 12, 2004 @ 17:47 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15079. dcmdvan panorama hopefully attached
       Note: forwarded message attached. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers!
       Aug 12, 2004 @ 17:54 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
15080. Re: DCMDVAN via Potomac Heritage Trail & baarle quadripoint
       I was using the term boat in a generic way and of course a kayak would be the most appropriate species of boat. My thinking was to slide into the low-water
       Aug 12, 2004 @ 18:18 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
15081. some new autl particulars emerge
       http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/08/12/1092102594577.html?oneclick=true looks like the mouse roar was worth 3 billion out of the 8 billion that were in
       Aug 12, 2004 @ 18:18 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
15082. Fwd: dcmdvan
       after close study of all the available data if i could add the dcmd&arfa alignment to this pic i would draw it fat to reflect the lingering uncertainty so it
       Aug 12, 2004 @ 21:22 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
15083. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Digest Number 1515
       No, I used the Moniteur Belge and translated the text from the French for my new book. I don t have the Tractatenblad reference. But that s the full 30pages of
       Aug 13, 2004 @ 02:24 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
15084. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: FINOSE report part 2
       ... From: aletheiak Reply-To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:49:09 -0000 ... Hi. It s some sort of comprimise
       Aug 13, 2004 @ 06:05 - Rolf Palmberg LI ("Rolf Palmberg LI" <rpalmber@...>)
15085. a bit old & off yet still fresh
       with apologies as i cant help wondering are these the germanies kissing here or just the berlins
       Aug 13, 2004 @ 14:50 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
15086. Re: a bit old & off yet still fresh
       Well, those two blokes snogging which are depicted on the wall are former Soviet and GDR leaders Brezhniev and Honecker, if that was your question... If you
       Aug 13, 2004 @ 17:01 - Anton Zeilinger ("Anton Zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
15087. Re: a bit old & off yet still fresh
       hahahaah thank you anton so it was only the easterns kissing eastern germany & the eastern bloc & they were werent actually kissing hello but goodbye yikes how
       Aug 14, 2004 @ 14:20 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15088. mdvawv try advancing again too
       tho all my previous mdvawv tries have sought the low water line as most recently reported in message 12309 i have been persuaded since message 12419 that low
       Aug 14, 2004 @ 15:50 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15089. Re: mdvawv try advancing again too
       & just for the record & posterity the official vawv surveyor told me that the geocoords for the official vawv terminal point or in other words for the point i
       Aug 16, 2004 @ 22:45 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15090. andorra-tripoints webpage updated
       Some weeks ago I visited (again) both Andorra-tripoints. New pictures including panorama s to be seen at two separate pages on the Andorra-tripoints-page at
       Aug 17, 2004 @ 07:46 - eefberns@grenspalen.nl (<eefberns@...>)
15091. Re: andorra-tripoints webpage updated
       breathtaking presentations eef & state of the art in every way thank you for setting a bp standard to emulate about adesfre from the evidence you present i
       Aug 17, 2004 @ 15:08 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15092. Re: mdvawv try advancing again too
       aletheiak says, ... true mdvawv are in nad83 nlat 39d19m16s80205 x wlong 77d43m10s14059 What are the other lat/long values? I didn t find them in a search
       Aug 17, 2004 @ 15:44 - Ron McConnell ("Ron McConnell" <rcmcc@...>)
15093. Re: mdvawv try advancing again too
       ... no you are right i have never divulged them publicly before & thanx very much indeed for your interest & experience here in fact i am especially gratified
       Aug 17, 2004 @ 17:55 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15094. Uzbek-Kyrgyz border incl. Sokh and Shohimardon enclaves
       ... Best wishes, ______________________________ Christian Berghänel Kungälv, Sweden christian.berghanel@swipnet.se
       Aug 17, 2004 @ 20:56 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
15095. Albanian-Macedonian border.
       ... Best wishes, ______________________________ Christian Berghänel Sweden christian.berghanel@swipnet.se
       Aug 17, 2004 @ 21:11 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
15096. Moldovan-Transdniester border
       Here is a piece of news from the Moldovan (proper) - Transdniester border ... Best wishes, ______________________________ Christian Berghänel Sweden
       Aug 17, 2004 @ 21:13 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
15097. 18th round of cnin tripoint 6pak talks next month
       but dont expect any more tripointing news since only trade issues are on the fast track there http://www.sunnetwork.org/news/national/national.asp?id=17905
       Aug 18, 2004 @ 11:58 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
15098. Re: 18th round of cnin tripoint 6pak talks next month
       talking about tripointing news has anyone heard anything from our stalwart expeditioners lately ...
       Aug 18, 2004 @ 14:48 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15099. Re: mdvawv try advancing again too
       OK, short answer: (1) N 39º 19 16.80205 W 77º 43 10.14059 (2) N 39º 19 16.17539 W 77º 43 10.75219 Vincenty inverse algorithm distance results:
       Aug 18, 2004 @ 16:03 - Ron McConnell ("Ron McConnell" <rcmcc@...>)
15100. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: 18th round of cnin tripoint 6pak talks next month
       We will give full report when either the people who did the African quadropoint will show their pictures or you buy a new keyboard with a SHIFT-key Jesper ...
       Aug 18, 2004 @ 16:49 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15101. Re: mdvawv try advancing again too
       thanx very much indeed ron & not only for the confirmations but it is also great to know we have all this precision power available now when necessary what
       Aug 18, 2004 @ 20:40 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15102. CEBT is over - what a trip!
       Dear BP members - good times pass by so quickly - after 9 days of hard border- work we (Jesper N., Mike K. and I) proudly announce the con- clusion of the
       Aug 18, 2004 @ 21:00 - Peter Hering (Peter Hering <hering@...>)
15103. RE: mdvawv try advancing again too
       UPDATE: (1) N 39º 19 16.80205 W 77º 43 10.14059 (2) N 39º 19 16.17539 W 77º 43 10.75219 I said, I now notice a slight difference in the gcb
       Aug 19, 2004 @ 05:48 - Ron McConnell ("Ron McConnell" <rcmcc@...>)
15104. empty btcn ritual confirmed
       the attachment was message 14156 dated 18may04 & now comes word of a projected 18th round of btcn talks http://tinyurl.com/67uhs to match the 18th round of
       Aug 19, 2004 @ 08:33 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15105. caus security fantasy upgraded
       http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2004/08/18/589675-cp.html yet another improvement in the american defense of the longest undefended border in the world
       Aug 19, 2004 @ 09:39 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
15106. Re: 18th round of cnin tripoint 6pak talks next month
       hahahaha welcome back all nice going & coming & i wish henry would give that bwnazmzw report already too ... African quadropoint will show their pictures ...
       Aug 19, 2004 @ 10:06 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15107. Re: mdvawv try advancing again too
       beautiful doc ... great education for me thanx i should only add in clarification that your first waypoint was merely spoken to me by the surveyor after some
       Aug 19, 2004 @ 15:34 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15108. Re: Interesting geography in switzerland & My soliloquy
       Just picking up on an old discussion here (Arif and Chris discussed this strange border situation in Switzerland): The border between the cantons of Vaud
       Aug 19, 2004 @ 16:32 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15109. Re: Interesting geography in switzerland & My soliloquy
       lovely but to be sure you guys need real texts now maybe the swiss constitution or something refers to them for there could well be some sense to this peculiar
       Aug 19, 2004 @ 17:04 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15110. CEBT: Class A
       File names reveal where pictures are taken. Jesper ... Borderbase - your online guide to international borders http://www.nicolette.dk/borderbase
       Aug 19, 2004 @ 19:03 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
15111. ATCHLIN
       The discussed marker 136 on CH side of Rhein bank. All sides said S by the way, and is NOT placed where Mats sugested earlier. The poor quality is due to
       Aug 19, 2004 @ 19:08 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
15112. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Interesting geography in switzerland & My soliloquy
       hi, it reminds me on the situation of the most western part of hamburg - neuwerk and schahörn. a strech of water belongs to this hamburg region. this can be
       Aug 19, 2004 @ 21:09 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
15113. Re: ATCHLIN
       ... sugested earlier. ... communication, no seriously! offcourse i should but i do seem to have communicated pretty well to you guys too at least for class a
       Aug 19, 2004 @ 21:55 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15114. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ATCHLIN
       ... here it is http://www.webindia123.com/news/showdetails.asp?id=45906&cat=Asia & please understand i still think there is a good chance you are right about
       Aug 19, 2004 @ 22:09 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
15115. Re: mdvawv try advancing again too
       aletheiak says, what error range of gps readings are you able to obtain in the field I keep the error reading on. The best I ve ever seen is 7 feet.
       Aug 20, 2004 @ 00:40 - Ron McConnell ("Ron McConnell" <rcmcc@...>)
15116. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Interesting geography in switzerland & My soliloquy
       Actually, in the case of the tiny bit of beach of Hamburg, the trick-playing map is 1:25000 one. The 1:25000 map in LGN website takes out everything that is
       Aug 20, 2004 @ 02:37 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
15117. Re: mdvawv try advancing again too
       ron ... yes this one is a beauty too & possibly unique for being enclosed as well as special for being flat enough to sleep on as well as our only federally
       Aug 20, 2004 @ 06:15 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15118. Re: Interesting geography in switzerland & My soliloquy
       It might be even stranger: at the Vaud site, you can select Plan d ensemble or Donnees cadastrales . I think the Vaud territory is coloured, but the CH2BEFR
       Aug 20, 2004 @ 08:23 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15119. Re: mdvawv try advancing again too
       aletheiak says, the distance between them i have given in feet & inches etc. was merely computed by me using simple arithmetic ... Demonstrating that for
       Aug 20, 2004 @ 13:56 - Ron McConnell ("Ron McConnell" <rcmcc@...>)
15120. Re: mdvawv try advancing again too
       ... yikes i am thinking of returning there around then also to try for the worlds first tristate nap so if you should find someone sleeping on the point by all
       Aug 20, 2004 @ 18:24 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15121. Re: Interesting geography in switzerland & My soliloquy
       A further clue to the situation: http://tinyurl.com/58l3j (a PDF file) Peter ... Canal ... that
       Aug 20, 2004 @ 18:29 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15122. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ATCHLIN
       Mike There is no need for you to dress up as spiderman (or any other of your identities) and climb the Jungholz mountains as a giant bug with your
       Aug 20, 2004 @ 19:01 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15123. [BoundaryPoint] Jungholz boundary cross, was: ATCHLIN
       ... This is a very interesting question; i. e. is the boundary cross really at the center of the X-mark in the 110-rock on top of Sorgschrofen? As I see it,
       Aug 20, 2004 @ 19:57 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
15124. Re: Jungholz boundary cross, was: ATCHLIN
       thank you maestro you are thoughtful as well as careful about all these several distinct considerations & what you recognize as an obsessive urge for precision
       Aug 20, 2004 @ 22:11 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15125. Re: ATCHLIN
       ... other of your identities) and climb the Jungholz mountains as a giant bug with your non-scientific $1 k-mart measure tape. hahahahaha hahahahahaha ahhh
       Aug 20, 2004 @ 22:52 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15126. Re: meanwhile back on the djeret try
       & now ethiopia reciprocates with its own peace offering but also directed only toward the peace keepers
       Aug 20, 2004 @ 23:10 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15127. Re: [BoundaryPoint] FINOSE report part 2
       Nice pics, Rolf. http://www.vasa.abo.fi/users/rpalmber/Peera2.jpg I hope they are not overestimating the weight limit on this bridge as the people at a certain
       Aug 21, 2004 @ 02:01 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15128. Re: Jungholz boundary cross, was: ATCHLIN
       We know the coat of paint has been added but I dont think it would have been possible for the x to move since it is chisled into the rock. Is there an
       Aug 21, 2004 @ 04:40 - Michael Kaufman ("Michael Kaufman" <mikekaufman79@...>)
15129. Re: Jungholz boundary cross, was: ATCHLIN
       thanx mike reaching for the new thought living on the leading edge my concern was not really with the paint job & i understand the cross is chiseled into the
       Aug 21, 2004 @ 14:40 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15132. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: more re jungholz boundary cross
       ... The deleted prohibited item can be viewed legitimately at http://tinyurl.com/4nd6a in the INT-BOUNDARIES archives.
       Aug 21, 2004 @ 16:09 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15133. Re: more re jungholz boundary cross
       thank you sahib & very tastefully done
       Aug 21, 2004 @ 17:03 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15134. Confine
       is the Italien word for border. Figured that out during CEBT. Great word for google and this pops up: http://195.78.195.198/med/photo-gallery/Marocco/index.asp
       Aug 21, 2004 @ 21:16 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15135. Confine: CHIT-Campione
       ... Indeed! And look what else pops up: http://www.globalgeografia.com/italia/campione_italia1.htm M __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and
       Aug 21, 2004 @ 22:04 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
15136. Re: Confine
       possibly close to the ehmr border but probably not quite there yet because the caption seems to indicate only that this track which does indeed cross the
       Aug 22, 2004 @ 00:31 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15137. farthest offcourse official border markers ever reported
       but first exactly how far off course would you believe http://tinyurl.com/49cal
       Aug 22, 2004 @ 01:06 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15138. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Confine: CHIT-Campione
       ... http://www.globalgeografia.com/italia/campione_italia1.htm Did you notice that there are apparently reference markers on the western shore of Lake Lugano,
       Aug 22, 2004 @ 09:37 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
15139. france joins djeret try
       on an otherwise quiet day in the world of multipointing http://www.eritreadaily.net/news/article821042.htm news analysis of course in formerly french colonial
       Aug 22, 2004 @ 21:24 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15140. Re: mdvawv try advancing again too
       I mentioned that I was checking out transformations between latitude & longitude in NAD-27 and NAD-83, etc.. Below is a quote that came up with a google search
       Aug 23, 2004 @ 05:07 - Ron McConnell ("Ron McConnell" <rcmcc@...>)
15141. Re: mdvawv try advancing again too
       ...
       Aug 23, 2004 @ 13:09 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15142. complete inventory of divided towns on caus & other goodies
       including 2 new potential champs for the border crossing hit list http://www.minotdailynews.com/news/story/0823202004_new23news1.asp the article neglects to
       Aug 23, 2004 @ 17:46 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
15143. Re: [BoundaryPoint] complete inventory of divided towns on caus & other goodies
       Calling Thunder Bay, ON and Grand Portage, MN a divided town is a huge stretch -- at least 50km of rocks and trees separate the two! I know -- I ve dead
       Aug 23, 2004 @ 18:21 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
15144. Re: complete inventory of divided towns on caus & other goodies
       haha i figured this would smoke out a deadheading border freak & good to hear from you matey presumably liveheaded border freaks on your trajectory would have
       Aug 23, 2004 @ 19:08 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15145. Re: [BoundaryPoint] farthest offcourse official border markers ever reported
       Thanks for this golden nugget of boundary truth as foreshadowed by the tinyurl extension. ... _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000
       Aug 23, 2004 @ 19:08 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15146. Re: farthest offcourse official border markers ever reported
       you are welcome you must mean my california 49er quite the cosmic complement
       Aug 23, 2004 @ 20:05 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15147. Point Roberts fallout
       Canadians living next to Point Bob have their collective knickers in a knot regarding the National Geographic article on 98201. And, it seems, Point Bob
       Aug 23, 2004 @ 20:31 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
15148. Re: [BoundaryPoint] complete inventory of divided towns on caus & other goodies
       Everything anyone ever wanted to know about Portal/North Portal can be found at on nine web pages beginning at http://www.portalnd.org/ . Lowell G. McManus
       Aug 23, 2004 @ 22:21 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15149. Canada USA Border Photo Directory
       Hi folks Once more I traveled along the 45th parallel in the past few weeks and I am back with more splited buildings. If you look at the 535D and 535E series
       Aug 25, 2004 @ 02:17 - François Descôteaux (=?iso-8859-1?B?RnJhbudvaXMgRGVzY/R0ZWF1eA==?= <ve2ogh@...>)
15150. pics from divided city of Gorizia/IT-Nova Gorica/SI
       Dear BP friends... one of the highlights of the CEBT - to me - was our visit to the divided city of Gorizia-Italy - Nova Gorica/Slovenia. I ve uploaded 4 pics
       Aug 25, 2004 @ 08:13 - Peter Hering (Peter Hering <hering@...>)
15151. Re: pics from divided city of Gorizia/IT-Nova Gorica/SI
       ... of the railw. st. was removed - and an open area with new markers ... city...The plaza in front of the railw.st. - that lies completely on SI-soil, is
       Aug 25, 2004 @ 09:01 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15152. Re: pics from divided city of Gorizia/IT-Nova Gorica/SI
       ... front ... way ... reports ... on ... The missing link between fence and no fence (i.e. demolition of fence ) at
       Aug 25, 2004 @ 09:57 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15153. Re: pics from divided city of Gorizia/IT-Nova Gorica/SI
       Hi, as far as I know Slovenia is not yet part of the Schengen agreement, so only customs checks were abolished on May 1st. Immigration control should work
       Aug 25, 2004 @ 17:20 - lacomaco ("lacomaco" <finance@...>)
15154. yikes geocoords reported not just trumping but retiring border markers
       last 3 paragraphs for the nutshell http://www.seacoastonline.com/news/08252004/news/33955.htm so does this mean all hard working border markers everywhere will
       Aug 25, 2004 @ 18:30 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
15155. DEDK commission
       Every 10 years (on the year ending on 4) the DEDK must have a commission. This time it took place on 23nd and 24nd August. To see the news spot, do this: go to
       Aug 25, 2004 @ 18:41 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15156. Re: [BoundaryPoint] DEDK commission
       An even better clip: mms://mms-vod.media.tele.dk/tv2vod/vod//14302.wmv Jesper ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday,
       Aug 25, 2004 @ 19:12 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15157. nam flaunts new spratly tour strip
       joyriding plan advances into teeth of dragon http://www.cnn.com/2004/TRAVEL/08/24/bt.spratly.vietnam.reut _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1
       Aug 25, 2004 @ 20:42 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
15158. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Point Roberts fallout
       If the full original Nat. Geog. article was available online, this might actually be put into better context. I will see if the library has a scanner tomorrow
       Aug 25, 2004 @ 21:47 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15159. Re: [BoundaryPoint] DEDK commission
       Disregard my question about the video. I am only now catching up with my mails. Yawn Doug ... A bad day in television is still better than a good day in a
       Aug 26, 2004 @ 01:28 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
15160. Sastavci enclave
       Just in from the Serbian embassy in Canberra. Brendan Questions about enclaves of Serbia and Montenegro Agreement ON state borders between Serbia and
       Aug 26, 2004 @ 06:23 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
15161. djeret try in global perspective
       but hope the writer is wrong http://www.newstatesman.com/site.php3?newTemplate=NSArticle_NS&newDisplayURN=200408300016 __________________________________ Do
       Aug 26, 2004 @ 10:18 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
15162. A new cross border bicycle route along entire DEDK will open 2005
       http://www.rejsernu.dk/shownews.php?id=1333 Jesper
       Aug 26, 2004 @ 18:13 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15163. This would never have happened at SKUA
       http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040826/ap_on_fe_st/nature_calls_charge_3 Jesper
       Aug 26, 2004 @ 18:40 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15164. Re: nam flaunts new spratly tour strip
       dragon belches back http://www.abc.net.au/ra/newstories/RANewsStories_1186112.ht m
       Aug 26, 2004 @ 18:46 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15165. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: nam flaunts new spratly tour strip
       unfazed hanoi temporizes with subtlety http://www.vnagency.com.vn/NewsA.asp?LANGUAGE_ID=2&CATEGORY_ID=29&NEWS_ID=115326 ...
       Aug 27, 2004 @ 02:32 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
15166. Re: farthest offcourse official border markers ever reported
       with cosmic kisses & jokes too for exclamation points http://tinyurl.com/5vmge
       Aug 27, 2004 @ 12:39 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15167. question about shelves & median lines
       http://washingtontimes.com/world/20040826-094057-6923r.htm for some reason doesnt recite the 3 billion dollar amount of the reported auidtle & auidtlw
       Aug 27, 2004 @ 13:50 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15168. The Earth According to WGS 84
       For those fine grain calculations of distances that aletheiak has shown that simple calculations work just fine for short distances, it s worthwhile
       Aug 27, 2004 @ 14:43 - Ron McConnell ("Ron McConnell" <rcmcc@...>)
15169. Re: nam flaunts new spratly tour strip
       confirmation of stand down & further details but will leaving the flight plans indefinite appease the dragon
       Aug 28, 2004 @ 01:16 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15170. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Canada USA Border Photo Directory
       Nice pics...but is there no longer an international pool table here? Is it still even a hotel? Here is a pic:
       Aug 28, 2004 @ 02:43 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15171. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Point Roberts fallout
       Article part 1 and 2 out of 4 (sorry for large file sizes, but I couldn t get them smaller without sacrificing readability...) ...
       Aug 28, 2004 @ 04:42 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@yahoo.com>)
15172. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Point Roberts fallout
       Parts 3 and 4 of 4. ... http://www.delta-optimist.com/issues04/084104/news/084104nn2.html ... _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000
       Aug 28, 2004 @ 04:49 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@yahoo.com>)
15173. Tri-pointing page
       Do we know this fella? http://www.public.asu.edu/%7Eredsall/home.html Jesper
       Aug 28, 2004 @ 14:57 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15174. Bhutan border
       http://www.catmando.com/windhorse/facts.htm Can anybody figure out if it s with China or with India? Jesper
       Aug 28, 2004 @ 15:06 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15175. Re: Bhutan border
       doesnt look remote or high enough to be btcn & there are far more btin crossings than btcn crossings anyway as well as far more btin traffic etc so btin is by
       Aug 28, 2004 @ 16:20 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15176. Re: Tri-pointing page
       whattt somebody is actually on point for a change yikes but does not exist at this location oh well i do agree with his count of 65 points in all tho except he
       Aug 28, 2004 @ 16:36 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15177. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Tri-pointing page
       what do you mean by i would like to see his pages tho ? I see them J ... From: aletheiak To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004
       Aug 28, 2004 @ 16:48 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15178. Borderbase updated
       I have updated Borderbase (http://www.nicolette.dk/borderbase) with pictures from CEBT and Rolf s trip to FINOSE. From my secret behind the scene page you
       Aug 28, 2004 @ 17:16 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15179. Yemen-Saudi agreement
       http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=2&article_id=6175
       Aug 28, 2004 @ 17:43 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15180. Re: Tri-pointing page
       ... when i click on the green tripoint circles on his map page as instructed i only get a default page that says you have encountered a not found error etc etc
       Aug 28, 2004 @ 17:55 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15181. Divided villages and houses on Bangladesh and India
       http://southasia.oneworld.net/article/view/90034/1/
       Aug 28, 2004 @ 17:59 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15182. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Tri-pointing page
       I found only one that had a bad link, try some of the others ... From: aletheiak To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 7:55 PM
       Aug 28, 2004 @ 17:59 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15183. Re: Tri-pointing page
       now thats funny i get the same default for all 15 tripoints your good luck must be due to your clean living but anyway what do they look like ... Terms ... of
       Aug 28, 2004 @ 18:04 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15184. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Tri-pointing page
       here is one http://www.public.asu.edu/~redsall/triplepoints/july2004/11.htm try the previous and next links J ... From: aletheiak To:
       Aug 28, 2004 @ 18:13 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15185. CERN
       Giving out ATCHLIS on CEBT we travlled west and passed CERN on CHFR, which off course was fence off. Here is a map of the divided organisation:
       Aug 28, 2004 @ 18:15 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15186. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CERN
       http://www.geneva.ch/map/default.cfm?X=492590&Y=121136&Scale=10000 ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004
       Aug 28, 2004 @ 18:53 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15187. Tripoint postcard
       http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ky/county/bell/photos/postcards/tristate.jpg Where? Jesper
       Aug 28, 2004 @ 21:08 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15188. dry FINOSE - sort of
       http://www.mv.helsinki.fi/home/jehrnste/englanti/ENkuvagalleria/talvi/talvi5.htm
       Aug 28, 2004 @ 21:14 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15189. Re: Tripoint postcard
       kytnva in a previous incarnation ... http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ky/county/bell/photos/postcards/trist ate.jpg
       Aug 28, 2004 @ 21:27 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15190. Class a at atczde ?
       http://synnejvyssiho.wz.cz/galerie/galerie/hluboka/photos/photo_18.html
       Aug 28, 2004 @ 21:28 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15191. Re: dry FINOSE - sort of
       would still like to see a tight shot of the top of the marker like the one mike took at atczde we still dont know what either of these actual tripoints looks
       Aug 28, 2004 @ 21:33 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15192. Re: Tri-pointing page
       thanx for persevering it was worth it many great memories here all 13 tripoints shown in fact but of course without gps 4wd seadoo etc etc ... Nielsen ...
       Aug 28, 2004 @ 21:44 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15193. Re: Tri-pointing page
       but especially w i t h o u t topozone yikes & often without any maps at all but just dead reckoning refined only by personal trial & error for i was also
       Aug 29, 2004 @ 14:15 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15194. a miss is as good as a mile
       this otherwise interesting & satisfying local news feature about the stargazers stone & depa arc & the original mason dixon line etc etc
       Aug 29, 2004 @ 15:28 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
15195. Grumpiness over bordermarkers (India-Pakistan)
       From the Can t-We-Just-Get-Along file: http://www.keralaonline.com/ nationalnews.asp?folder=Headlines&file=1_8243.xml or http://tinyurl.com/3uk87 Cheers! Doug
       Aug 29, 2004 @ 16:24 - doug@dougmurrayproductions.com (doug@...)
15196. Re: Bhutan border
       There are no BT-China border crossings. The border has been sealed for over 20 years. Previously there were crossings north of Drugyel Dzong into the Chumbi
       Aug 29, 2004 @ 16:41 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
15197. Re: Grumpiness over bordermarkers (India-Pakistan)
       no need to impute real grumpiness here tho for it is just the accumulated burden of history continuing to play itself out almost mechanically as it were after
       Aug 29, 2004 @ 19:02 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15198. Re: Bhutan border
       you must be right len you are a local arent you http://www.bhutannewsonline.com/bhutan_china.html & http://www.kuenselonline.com/assembly/boundary.php indicate
       Aug 29, 2004 @ 23:05 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15199. yes just the usual over bordermarkers (India-Pakistan)
       but at least they are reported burning the midnight oil together http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_30-8-200 4_pg1_3 ... along ... the ...
       Aug 29, 2004 @ 23:59 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15200. Re: yes just the usual over bordermarkers (India-Pakistan)
       all this of course being on the way to an eventual cninpk try however circuitous & often impassable the route http://www.paktribune.com/news/index.php?id=75610
       Aug 30, 2004 @ 21:45 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15201. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: yes just the usual over bordermarkers (India-Pakistan)
       & now the bigger picture from the same cant we just get along file http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_31-8-2004_pg1_6 where the missing
       Aug 31, 2004 @ 13:12 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
15202. Sheebaa Farms: ILLBSY
       http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/763504.stm
       Aug 31, 2004 @ 21:07 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15203. Western Espoo
       The western city boundary of Espoo (a city west of Helsinki) features a very narrow needle-like appendage. I found an on-line map of Espoo and one can zoom in
       Sep 01, 2004 @ 00:08 - Craig ("Craig" <trehala@...>)
15204. LAMMTH "Golden" Tripoint
       http://reidar.homestead.com/files/fetha59.htm
       Sep 01, 2004 @ 10:43 - Artur Kroc ("Artur Kroc" <kroc@...>)
15205. Re: LAMMTH "Golden" Tripoint
       Also: http://www.yvonne.dds.nl/thailandreis/imagepages/thailand111p.html http://tinyurl.com/3scvq Peter
       Sep 01, 2004 @ 11:29 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15206. Re: LAMMTH "Golden" Tripoint
       wow thats easily our best lammth panorama as well as our clearest shot at the actual tripoint position yet all in one pic to put your finger on this position &
       Sep 01, 2004 @ 12:43 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15207. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Sheebaa Farms: ILLBSY
       ... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/763504.stm yes the shebaa news looked rather bleak in 2000 yet only a couple of weeks ago the complete joy of
       Sep 01, 2004 @ 13:43 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
15208. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Western Espoo
       From the aerial photo, it appears not to conform to any surface features, but rather cuts across some woods and a meadow in a valley bottom. Perhaps its
       Sep 01, 2004 @ 14:47 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15209. Re: Canada USA Border Photo Directory
       Michael No unfortunatly the place was closed down. No more outside sign or pool room. If you go on corbis.com and you search for Dundee Quebec you will see
       Sep 01, 2004 @ 15:25 - François Descôteaux (=?iso-8859-1?B?RnJhbudvaXMgRGVzY/R0ZWF1eA==?= <ve2ogh@...>)
15210. Re: Western Espoo
       precious find & nice question craig & seeing as nobody has offered any cartological explanation yet for this mindboggling proruption comprising not just a
       Sep 01, 2004 @ 15:37 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15211. Re: Canada USA Border Photo Directory
       ... sign or ... Quebec ... drinking ... closed ... the ... why do you say that why do you even think sad much better to think the future only happy & fortunate
       Sep 01, 2004 @ 15:41 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15212. Re: LAMMTH "Golden" Tripoint
       Maps of the area at http://tinyurl.com/3z9gm & http://tinyurl.com/4lp3f Peter
       Sep 01, 2004 @ 16:19 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15213. Old french and italian border postcards
       238 old french border postcards: http://lou.gabel.free.fr/index.htm a lot of old postcards of Saint Louis / San Luigi french-italian border (more links on the
       Sep 01, 2004 @ 17:42 - quadernet (quadernet <quadernet@...>)
15214. Hi everyone! I'm the tri-pointer from Arizona with the website...
       All (particularly Jesper and Bill H.), I m so pleased that you all found me (and that I found you) - I m sorry about the dead links - I think I have the
       Sep 01, 2004 @ 18:15 - robedsall ("robedsall" <robedsall@...>)
15215. Re: Old french and italian border postcards
       quadernet ... triangle sculpted in the rock of the maritime alps that marks exactly the border between france and italy fascinated me deeply. I understood I
       Sep 01, 2004 @ 21:51 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15216. Re: Hi everyone! I'm the tri-pointer from Arizona with the website...
       welcome rob & standing ovations on all your many tripoint visits & tries or at least i think i have finally caught them all now very enjoyable presentations
       Sep 01, 2004 @ 23:25 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15217. Re: Old french and italian border postcards
       ... Yes. Réchésy on the FR side (Terr. de Belfort, Franche-Comté), Pfetterhouse (Pfetterhausen in German) on the former DE side (Upper- Alsace,
       Sep 02, 2004 @ 07:35 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15218. Re: Old french and italian border postcards -> Old CHDEFR
       ... (with ... See also http://www.gms-reisen.ch/heft_45a.htm (picture and short explanation).
       Sep 02, 2004 @ 07:52 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15219. Re: Old french and italian border postcards -> Old CHDEFR
       thank you thank you these appear to validate my every surmise right down to the location of the tripoint wouldnt you agree centered atop the tallest rock now
       Sep 02, 2004 @ 12:17 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15220. more on the way to cninpk
       http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_asiapacific/view/104518/1/.html anyway nobody said real trypointing would be easy apparently another inpk test match
       Sep 02, 2004 @ 12:48 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
15221. more on the way to cninpk
       http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_asiapacific/view/104518/1/.html anyway nobody said real trypointing would be easy apparently another inpk test match
       Sep 02, 2004 @ 12:46 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
15222. Re: question about shelves & median lines
       http://tinyurl.com/6qlfx by a contrarian legal flack sheds some light on this question & updates the autl situation as the december deadline looms with the
       Sep 02, 2004 @ 21:28 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15223. pandominium reigns as spratly mutual restraint pact unravels
       http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/FI04Ad04.html
       Sep 03, 2004 @ 14:00 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15224. special to rob
       continuing to enjoy your many reports & responding again below to your request for comments some of which will admittedly be silly but hopefully they get
       Sep 03, 2004 @ 17:24 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15225. Re: more on the way to cninpk
       ... http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_asiapacific/view/1 04518/1/.html ... with apologies for having inadvertently double posted the above even before
       Sep 03, 2004 @ 18:48 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15226. Stamp of Nachitschewan
       Hi, heres a link from ebay germany for all of you, that are interested in stamps,...
       Sep 03, 2004 @ 18:56 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
15227. rebuffed djeret try spokesman still officially optimistic
       http://www.eritreadaily.net/news/article2004903.htm
       Sep 03, 2004 @ 19:43 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15228. Re: special to rob
       Re: IANESD A jet-ski is not necessary for IANESD. You can either put in a canoe at the public park about a mile upstream on the left bank of the Big Sioux and
       Sep 04, 2004 @ 01:26 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
15229. Re: special to rob
       ... canoe yikes i didnt say or mean the jetboat is necessary here but it is a nice easy charter they give you from the municipal dock & a kayak i would believe
       Sep 04, 2004 @ 03:10 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15230. Re: Canada USA Border Photo Directory
       Dear aletheiak what makes me saddest is the fact that you replied the way you did. Divided buildings between Canada and America are rare and unique. They are
       Sep 04, 2004 @ 04:39 - François Descôteaux (=?iso-8859-1?B?RnJhbudvaXMgRGVzY/R0ZWF1eA==?= <ve2ogh@...>)
15231. Re: [BoundaryPoint] special to rob
       2 TPs a few millimeters apart? ... http://www.public.asu.edu/~redsall/triplepoints/june2004/5.htm ... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/12409
       Sep 04, 2004 @ 04:52 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15232. 2 different tripoint positions a few mm apart
       ... http://www.public.asu.edu/~redsall/triplepoints/june2004/19.htm ... focusing closely on the 2 different die stamps that appear in the approximate center of
       Sep 04, 2004 @ 11:11 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15233. Re: Canada USA Border Photo Directory
       yikes francois i only tried to cheer you up because we know happy goes lucky & we know our thoughts are so creatively powerful even if it didnt already feel
       Sep 04, 2004 @ 11:51 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15234. Re: pandominium reigns as spratly mutual restraint pact unravels
       ... de facto multidominium gains momentum in military dimension http://tinyurl.com/659b5 aka http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/asia/story/0,4386,270894,00.ht ml
       Sep 04, 2004 @ 13:50 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15235. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 2 different tripoint positions a few mm apart
       The dimple in the middle of the bronze disc is the actual intended tripoint. The surveyor would have aligned it as precisely as possible with the point of his
       Sep 04, 2004 @ 14:26 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15236. Re: Possible BNCNMYTWVN 5-Country Reef and Obelisk
       so our magnificent sunken quinticountry obelisk along with all the other sunken treasure & beauty of louisa reef & of our beloved everyones land in general
       Sep 04, 2004 @ 14:46 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15237. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Possible BNCNMYTWVN 5-Country Reef and Obelisk
       Do we know the origin of this obelisk? Is it perhaps a memorial to those shipwrecked on the reef? Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From:
       Sep 04, 2004 @ 16:59 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15238. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Tripoint rating or classes
       Yes but that is LT-PL-RU. I remember thinking we were unsure that the marker was the tripoint. I don t think this was ever resolved since the GBBE. ...
       Sep 04, 2004 @ 18:10 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15239. Re: Possible BNCNMYTWVN 5-Country Reef and Obelisk
       i think more likely than a memorial would be someones idea of a territorial marker functioning perhaps much like a boundary monument only without any boundary
       Sep 04, 2004 @ 19:15 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15240. Re: Tripoint rating or classes
       yes & i see at border base that this slightly tilted obeliskoid doesnt really have an apex point but a small square flat top on it fortunately for the sitter
       Sep 04, 2004 @ 19:36 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15241. 3 more giant steps toward cninpk taken this weekend
       auspicious start & gains reported with hi level continuation expected at united nations meeting in new york later this month
       Sep 04, 2004 @ 20:09 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
15242. Re: 3 more giant steps toward cninpk taken this weekend
       oops juicy but faulty third link now stands corrected ... http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_asiapacific/view/1 04920/1/.html ...
       Sep 04, 2004 @ 20:15 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15243. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Possible BNCNMYTWVN 5-Country Reef and Obelisk
       On the page at http://www.panagadivers.com/Diving/Reefs.htm , there are 1993 and 2003 photos of the obelisk, and there s a 2002 photo at
       Sep 04, 2004 @ 21:25 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15244. Re: Possible BNCNMYTWVN 5-Country Reef and Obelisk
       & the height to breadth ratio of the tapered part of the obelisk has apparently diminished substantially between 1993 & 2003 lending a hair more credence to
       Sep 04, 2004 @ 22:41 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15245. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Possible BNCNMYTWVN 5-Country Reef and Obelisk
       I d like to see what the inscriptions are (or at least an account of what is written on the marker). I wonder if a country s name has been removed while
       Sep 04, 2004 @ 22:45 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15246. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 2 different tripoint positions a few mm apart
       Ok I see what you say; I interpreted your text as meaning two different tripoints positions. ...
       Sep 04, 2004 @ 23:28 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15247. Re: special to rob
       You said a jetboat is recommended for IANESD. Sorry for extending your meaning to necessary. However, I wouldn t even recommend a jetboat because it is
       Sep 05, 2004 @ 01:07 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
15248. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Possible BNCNMYTWVN 5-Country Reef and Obelisk
       A web site at http://www.mir.com.my/potpourri/places/mpwong/destination/louisa/ says of Louisa Reef, The navigation beacon at its southwest point is now
       Sep 05, 2004 @ 01:32 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15249. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Possible BNCNMYTWVN 5-Country Reef and Obelisk
       You are correct. I read the date wrong and didn t even notice the date on the shirt. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: Michael Kaufman
       Sep 05, 2004 @ 01:36 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15250. enclaves on stamps
       Another Nakhichevan issue on ebay, showing Kiarky. AND the seller is in Lithuania!
       Sep 05, 2004 @ 01:41 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
15251. Canada USA Border Photo Directory
       Hi folk, I finaly uploaded a few more pictures of divided buildings in the Rock Island/Derby Line area. Look at the 552A series for a nice Vitorian house
       Sep 05, 2004 @ 03:01 - François Descôteaux (=?iso-8859-1?B?RnJhbudvaXMgRGVzY/R0ZWF1eA==?= <ve2ogh@...>)
15252. Re: special to brian & all aspiring missouri canoeists
       well before finally settling on the jetboat i did indeed launch my canoe into the big sioux just as you recommend from a picnic area not far above its mouth
       Sep 05, 2004 @ 03:35 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15253. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Point Roberts fallout
       Ok, I m guessing you ve most probably been here more than any one else given how close it is to you. Thus I ask: what is Tsawwassen like in reality??? It
       Sep 05, 2004 @ 03:44 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15254. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Point Roberts fallout
       Good Question, Mike! Tsawwassen is typical suburbia. Lots of homes, trees, kids, parks... and commercial areas along the main drag - 56th Street. Of course,
       Sep 05, 2004 @ 04:16 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
15255. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Point Roberts fallout
       And, yes, I need to learn how to spell TSAWWASSEN! Delta is so much easier... ... A bad day in television is still better than a good day in a cubicle.
       Sep 05, 2004 @ 04:31 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
15256. Re: special to brian & all aspiring missouri canoeists
       well buddy in morning light i see all this was a bit extreme even for me to say maximalist absolutist radical fundamentalist extremist that i am but you see
       Sep 05, 2004 @ 14:03 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15257. Re: pandominium reigns as spratly mutual restraint pact unravels
       & the multidominium word has already practically been uttered http://news.inq7.net/breaking/index.php?index=1&story_id=9085 ... dimension ...
       Sep 05, 2004 @ 16:50 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15258. inpk foreign ministers reported holding hands on first date
       camaraderie & optimism mark 8 step advance toward cninpk http://www.paktribune.com/news/index.php?id=76233
       Sep 06, 2004 @ 01:17 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15259. nes saw was tsawwassen
       several days of pondering the proper spelling & multidimensional meaning of the true & original tsawwassen have led me into the land of cuddly monsters &
       Sep 06, 2004 @ 15:45 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
15260. inpk talks end in modest gains toward cninpk
       short form http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/uncomp/articleshow/841037.cms or better http://www.deepikaglobal.com/latestnews.asp?ncode=19846 &
       Sep 06, 2004 @ 16:12 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
15261. ***Labor Day Quiz***
       Hi folks, Today is Labor Day, at least in Canada and USA. Most of all aren t going to work, so I thought I could make you work a little bit, by solving an
       Sep 06, 2004 @ 17:42 - François Descôteaux (=?iso-8859-1?B?RnJhbudvaXMgRGVzY/R0ZWF1eA==?= <ve2ogh@...>)
15262. Re: Possible BNCNMYTWVN 5-Country Reef and Obelisk
       well no need to postulate a greater mystery in order to solve a lesser one & i think a single 5country obelisk in the sea is plenty for the time being the so
       Sep 06, 2004 @ 18:47 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15263. Re: ***Labor Day Quiz***
       looks just like the statue of champlain between the parliament building & the river in ottawa & that isnt anywheres near caus so fortunately i must disqualify
       Sep 06, 2004 @ 20:09 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15264. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Possible BNCNMYTWVN 5-Country Reef and Obelisk
       Each theory is as good as the other. Do we know for fact that the lighthouse or navigation beacon was Malaysian, or is that theory too? Lowell G. McManus
       Sep 07, 2004 @ 03:50 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15265. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ***Labor Day Quiz***
       If I am the spacemaster referred to below, I can explain as follows: In the past, I have been able to conserve greatly the available space in the BP Photos
       Sep 07, 2004 @ 04:51 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15266. Re: Possible BNCNMYTWVN 5-Country Reef and Obelisk
       yes we have had this report at least since message 14049 when i still imagined she was only a 4country reef see under louisa in alphabetical list of spratlys
       Sep 07, 2004 @ 13:55 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15267. Re: ***Labor Day Quiz***
       yes maestro & we are grateful for this & all your endeavors to maximize the overall spaciness of our experience here at the same time in a growing everyones
       Sep 07, 2004 @ 15:56 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15268. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Possible BNCNMYTWVN 5-Country Reef and Obelisk
       Why not 6 country with Philippines? ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we.
       Sep 08, 2004 @ 03:41 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15269. Re: [BoundaryPoint] enclaves on stamps
       Is Kyarki part of Nakhichevan or is it a separate Azerbaijani exclave? I m guessing yes due to the close proximity, but would like to know for sure. Thanks
       Sep 08, 2004 @ 04:56 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15270. Re: Possible BNCNMYTWVN 5-Country Reef and Obelisk
       tho the philippines do claim several of the spratly islands & tho all 6 bncnmyphtwvn countries claim at least 1 spratly each the philippines dont claim louisa
       Sep 08, 2004 @ 05:05 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15271. Re: enclaves on stamps
       politically kyarki is part of the nakhichevan autonomous republic but of course topologically both kyarki & the greater chunk of nakhichevan are exclaves of
       Sep 08, 2004 @ 05:38 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15272. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
       Ok cool. But we have 6 total exclaves, not 4. So it must be the 4 others which are non-Nakhichevan instead of 2.
       Sep 08, 2004 @ 05:49 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15273. Re: enclaves on stamps
       yes of course if these 2 extra crumbs still really exist but what makes you all think so other than an old soviet map ...
       Sep 08, 2004 @ 07:05 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15274. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
       http://home.pages.at/maxifant/Frames/armenien.htm http://home.pages.at/maxifant/Frames/karabakh.htm here you may find additional maps. regards, chris ... From:
       Sep 08, 2004 @ 09:19 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
15275. Decimal digits for Latitude and Longitude: 0.001" Lat/Long
       In working on a question our Dave Patton posted on the comp.info.gis and sci.geo.cartography netnews groups about the US-Canada border monuments # 194 and #
       Sep 08, 2004 @ 14:33 - Ron McConnell ("Ron McConnell" <rcmcc@...>)
15276. Re: enclaves on stamps
       thanx chris it is unclear if any of these people are credentialed in clavoscopy but regarding the 2 extra quasiclaves or maybeclaves that i just questioned not
       Sep 08, 2004 @ 15:01 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15277. Re: Decimal digits for Latitude and Longitude: 0.001" Lat/Long
       ... well first do you mean the plaque itself & if so then what point upon it or do you mean the coords expressed on the plaque that refer to the center of the
       Sep 08, 2004 @ 15:15 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15278. Re: inpk talks end in modest gains toward cninpk
       more details emerge short form http://www.indolink.com/displayArticleS.php?id=090804053818 in depth http://sify.com/news/othernews/fullstory.php?id=13562559
       Sep 08, 2004 @ 17:13 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15279. Ireland-NI border pics
       Hi Folks, I ve been hibernating for several months finishing up a couple of new books, but I ve been reading the goings-on of BoundaryPoint. I was on business
       Sep 08, 2004 @ 17:35 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
15280. scholar corroborates true algatn is nickajack cave
       & other morsels about alabama & her corners including almstn & alw http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/news/1094635000144060.xml
       Sep 08, 2004 @ 17:40 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
15281. another Ireland pic
       This picture is looking over the bridge. The small stream is on the right, and the fence is on the Republic s side of the stream. There s a private home just
       Sep 08, 2004 @ 17:39 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
15282. Ireland pics
       Just to the northeast of the road I just sent pictures of they re building a new residential subdivision immediately on both sides of the border. Again, about
       Sep 08, 2004 @ 17:49 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
15283. Re: inpk talks end in modest gains toward cninpk
       oops bum url is now corrected in text below ... http://www.indolink.com/displayArticleS.php?id=090804053818 ...
       Sep 08, 2004 @ 17:55 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15284. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Ireland-NI border pics
       http://www.home.pages.at/maxifant/Frames/drumully.htm hi dallen, i updated this page about special border-situations along the irish/northern-irish border.
       Sep 08, 2004 @ 18:25 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
15285. indonesia thinks 8 neighbors could nibble 12 more islands
       you thought you had fun with hanso http://www.thejakartapost.com/detailheadlines.asp?fileid=20040909.B04&irec=12 __________________________________ Do you
       Sep 08, 2004 @ 20:58 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
15286. how to determine distance from line?
       SUBJECT WAS: Decimal digits for Latitude and Longitude: 0.001 Lat/Long aletheiak asks, could you show more details of your computations? Be careful what
       Sep 09, 2004 @ 04:54 - Ron McConnell ("Ron McConnell" <rcmcc@...>)
15287. Re: how to determine distance from line?
       ... bravo this is just what i wanted thanx & please look for my comments inserted below ... sci.geo.cartography ...
       Sep 09, 2004 @ 08:23 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15288. Re: indonesia thinks 8 neighbors could nibble 12 more islands
       ... fileid=20040909.B04&irec=12 Miangas again? I thought that that was settled in 1928 by the Permanent Court of Arbitration. The island was disputed between
       Sep 09, 2004 @ 08:48 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15289. RE: how to determine distance from line?
       _IF_ my calculation of a point _somewhere_ on the LSAW #5 plaque being 0.024 sec lat or 7.473 cm = 2.942 in. due south of the #194 to #195 line of sight (great
       Sep 09, 2004 @ 14:28 - Ron McConnell ("Ron McConnell" <rcmcc@...>)
15290. Re: indonesia thinks 8 neighbors could nibble 12 more islands
       ... between the ... Netherlands. ... good catch i thought it sounded a little hysterical & like they were wanting an even dozen just for effect anyway but how
       Sep 09, 2004 @ 14:28 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15291. Cadastral Survey
       This reads like a pro version of BoundaryPoint. :) ========================================= Cadastral Survey - preservation and retracement of the Public Land
       Sep 09, 2004 @ 14:37 - Ron McConnell ("Ron McConnell" <rcmcc@...>)
15292. Re: how to determine distance from line?
       ron yikes does this mean you missed or disregarded message 15287 we do think we know who might know indeed we think we know for dave has already asked & been
       Sep 09, 2004 @ 14:46 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15293. sea change or just a gut check coming for djeret try
       http://allafrica.com/stories/200409090345.html
       Sep 09, 2004 @ 15:58 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15294. Re: indonesia thinks 8 neighbors could nibble 12 more islands
       ah but here is what is really eating the koreas & koreans http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200409/2004091 00007.html
       Sep 09, 2004 @ 16:15 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15295. oldest reported border post
       among other small rewards http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040908/NEWS/40908001/0/FRONTPAGE __________________________________ Do you
       Sep 09, 2004 @ 16:35 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
15296. International tunnels
       http://home.no.net/lotsberg/data/international.html
       Sep 09, 2004 @ 19:39 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15297. Re: Cadastral Survey
       hey thats our jerry wahls site last heard from in message 1072 important contributor tho especially message 735 ... work, ... thrown in.
       Sep 09, 2004 @ 19:45 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15298. kofi annan naif okays 6 more months of static djeret try
       the fix is in & it doesnt look like a sea change http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=11878&Cr=ethiopia&Cr1=eritrea & paragraph 40 in
       Sep 09, 2004 @ 20:19 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
15299. Inner DE pene
       http://www.siue.edu/GEOGRAPHY/ONLINE/German_border/border1/002.htm
       Sep 09, 2004 @ 20:32 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15300. Re: Inner DE pene
       Great to put the FKK (=nudist) beach right next to the commies. Gives the border patrols something to watch... Peter
       Sep 09, 2004 @ 20:42 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15301. vietnam says humph to cnph spratly condo
       http://news.inq7.net/breaking/index.php?index=1&story_id=10019 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other
       Sep 09, 2004 @ 20:51 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
15302. Re: Inner DE pene
       Cf. http://www.taz.de/pt/2003/07/26/a0203.nf/text about the watch tower at this place (called Priwall): Vor allem aber observierten sie den davor gelegenen
       Sep 09, 2004 @ 20:53 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15303. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Inner DE pene
       http://www.priwall.net/ a nice airphoto ... From: Peter Smaardijk To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 10:53 PM Subject:
       Sep 09, 2004 @ 21:01 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
15304. Kyrgyz Premier Claims Uzbek Enclave Is Kyrgyz Land
       http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2004/09/5ff98294-e066-4f21-ae54-ba527070ba0c.html
       Sep 09, 2004 @ 21:06 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15305. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Inner DE pene
       http://images.google.de/images?hl=de&lr=&ie=UTF-8&q=+site:www.lostplaces.de+Priwall hm, maybe some interesting photos, site is under construction ... From:
       Sep 09, 2004 @ 21:08 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
15306. Dispute near gnlrsl
       http://allafrica.com/stories/200409071433.html http://home.worldonline.dk/jesniel/border/african_tripoints.htm#gnlrsl
       Sep 09, 2004 @ 21:15 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15307. Story about Canada/USA border on TV
       It s too late now , but just in case anyone taped it, or in case it shows up somewhere down the road, there was a story on Canada s Global TV show Global
       Sep 09, 2004 @ 21:45 - Dave Patton [DCP] ("Dave Patton [DCP]" <dpatton@...>)
15308. Re: Inner DE pene
       to be sure we need zoomables --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, chris schulz wrote:
       Sep 09, 2004 @ 23:03 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15309. RE: how to determine distance from line? [BoundaryPoint] 1542
       ...daves report roughly midway down the page Ah. A key message I apparently overlooked while out of town. That answers some
       Sep 10, 2004 @ 04:08 - Ron McConnell ("Ron McConnell" <rcmcc@...>)
15310. RE: how to determine distance from line? [BoundaryPoint] 1542
       William Shanks calculated pi to 707 places by hand in 1873-74, but made an error from the 527th place forward. The error wasn t found until 1945. The Hall of
       Sep 10, 2004 @ 04:20 - Ron McConnell ("Ron McConnell" <rcmcc@...>)
15311. Re: how to determine distance from line? [BoundaryPoint] 1542
       ok many thanxxx again ron for all these gratifying corroborations i believe we are in complete synch now too & your scrutiny has been instrumental in helping
       Sep 10, 2004 @ 07:26 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15312. djeret try on the receding horizon this morning
       pal isaias i on the free press http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3644630.stm & pal kofis naif ok on the case but going nowhere
       Sep 10, 2004 @ 14:29 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
15313. RE: how to determine distance from line? [BoundaryPoint] 1542
       At least they didn t have to redo the whole thing. Did a real old Windows calculator have it incorrectly as 3.141592818? Mine (from Win ME) gives me pi as
       Sep 10, 2004 @ 21:06 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15314. sounds like pi row mania at bwnazmzw today too
       http://allafrica.com/stories/200409091048.html
       Sep 10, 2004 @ 21:35 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15315. Re: vietnam says humph to cnph spratly condo
       ... http://news.inq7.net/breaking/index.php?index=1&story_id=1001 9 & philippines assures vietnam cnph joint venture is not really a condo or anything yet but
       Sep 10, 2004 @ 21:56 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15316. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Possible BNCNMYTWVN 5-Country Reef and Obelisk
       The map in the link says nothing about Taiwan and Louisa Reef as far as I can see. And it looks like it falls outside the Vietnam Petroleum Block Claim. On
       Sep 11, 2004 @ 01:21 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15317. Re: Possible BNCNMYTWVN 5-Country Reef and Obelisk
       ... true but taiwan claims all the spratlys with no known exceptions just as do china & vietnam so i have assumed each of their claims includes louisa reef &
       Sep 11, 2004 @ 02:45 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15318. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Possible BNCNMYTWVN 5-Country Reef and Obelisk
       I agree that the map at http://cat.middlebury.edu/southchinasea/macand/ shows Louisa Reef outside the Vietnamese claim, but not outside the Taiwanese claim.
       Sep 11, 2004 @ 03:02 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15319. Re: Possible BNCNMYTWVN 5-Country Reef and Obelisk
       so i still think i was right to say louisa reef with 5 claimants is the hottest real estate on earth tho not necessarily the hottest real estate under the sea
       Sep 11, 2004 @ 03:29 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15320. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Possible BNCNMYTWVN 5-Country Reef and Obelisk
       Ok, if CN, VN, and TW claim all of the islands and water then that makes sense. So a 5-country-claimed reef. And then we do have that small piece of ocean as
       Sep 11, 2004 @ 03:44 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15321. Re: Possible BNCNMYTWVN 5-Country Reef and Obelisk
       right if it exists & whatever it means this is a 6country quadrilateral rather than a 6country pentagon & thus it has only 24 countrysides rather than 30 oops
       Sep 11, 2004 @ 04:04 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15322. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
       Why would 14183 suggest that? ... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3495&i ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo!
       Sep 11, 2004 @ 05:25 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15323. Re: enclaves on stamps
       because it indicates that the depiction of the clave borders in black on this map dates from the first printing in 1976 & that for whatever reason these claves
       Sep 11, 2004 @ 07:26 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15324. Re: Possible BNCNMYTWVN 5-Country Reef and Obelisk
       on this map the putative sexicountry claim area has a different shape http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/images/schinasea.jpg but note here also the differences
       Sep 11, 2004 @ 16:14 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15325. Re: Possible BNCNMYTWVN 5-Country Reef and Obelisk
       i should have mentioned this is a cia map circa 2002 but hard to find so possibly disavowed later & i dont know whether to prefer the fresher & coarser cia
       Sep 11, 2004 @ 19:27 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15326. special to ron & dave & everyone
       well doc & dave &al i think i have finally done it extracted the ultimate computational truth out of bcidwa thanxxx also to you all but it is still in rather
       Sep 12, 2004 @ 02:46 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
15327. Re: special to ron & dave & everyone
       bum url hopefully corrected now in text below apologies it is an interesting question tho no other inserts ...
       Sep 12, 2004 @ 03:00 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15328. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Possible BNCNMYTWVN 5-Country Reef and Obelisk
       It looks to me like (on this map) barely both NW and SE corners are cut off making it a five sided figure. But if this is the case it can t be a polygon since
       Sep 12, 2004 @ 03:01 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15329. Re: Possible BNCNMYTWVN 5-Country Reef and Obelisk
       good thanx for the confirmation but all of the 5 sides of this pentagon are technically arcs & polygons can be arcuate as well as rectilinear as well as mixed
       Sep 12, 2004 @ 03:07 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15330. Re: [BoundaryPoint] special to ron & dave & everyone
       Not 16:1. You can t do math with odds very well. Think in terms of probabilities. I m assuming you figured a 1/5 chance for each of the two digits to be
       Sep 12, 2004 @ 03:55 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15331. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
       The fact that they were left alone and no purple annotations were made to them should tell you they continued unchanged. Just like everything else with no
       Sep 12, 2004 @ 04:36 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15332. Re: special to ron & dave & everyone
       ok good news & just the help i needed & sought therefore please see my further improvements inserted below ... ah but thanx to you i think i can now provided
       Sep 12, 2004 @ 06:21 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15333. Re: enclaves on stamps
       ... not necessarily if the claves were discontinued their borders couldnt & wouldnt have been redrawn but only eliminated or forgotten would the mapmakers have
       Sep 12, 2004 @ 06:43 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15334. Re: special to ron & dave & everyone
       ok mike no need to respond after all i can answer my own questions now as follows the fact that both geocoords on the plaque end in 0 or 5 means there is a 96
       Sep 12, 2004 @ 07:37 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15335. far from cninpk another major inpk breakthru is reported
       the pivotal sir creek estuary straddles the inpk land & sea border http://www.tribuneindia.com/2004/20040912/main1.htm
       Sep 12, 2004 @ 12:02 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15336. IL border marker
       http://www.dioezese-linz.at/einrichtungen/sion/websites/d/jerusalem/aisenberg/good_bad_and_ugly_d.htm
       Sep 12, 2004 @ 13:42 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15337. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Ireland-NI border pics
       So there were no blue EU signs at the borders. Also no ordinary, non-EU signs announcing the countries? Jesper ... From: Dallen Timothy To:
       Sep 12, 2004 @ 14:12 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15338. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
       ... I the addition of a purple overprint was the only means of revision available, the cartographers would likely have added a text notation in purple that
       Sep 12, 2004 @ 14:18 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15339. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Ireland-NI border pics
       Here are examples: http://facweb.furman.edu/~dstanford/fte2/ire0.jpg http://www.frankkl.de/Trips/Ireland/Ireland_3_3/Welcome_to_ireland.jpg Jesper ... From:
       Sep 12, 2004 @ 14:30 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15340. Re: enclaves on stamps
       thanx good idea specifically & good for the aspiring clavoscopist to be so diligent in any case but one cant presume the cartographers knew anything other than
       Sep 12, 2004 @ 14:56 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15341. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Ireland-NI border pics
       None at all anywhere on that border. Apparently both sides are trying to reduce the significance of the border altogether in terms of everyday living, driving,
       Sep 12, 2004 @ 16:35 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
15342. Re: IL border marker
       evidently marking 1949iljo1967 aka the green line today as distinct from say 1994iljo2004 etc ...
       Sep 12, 2004 @ 16:58 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15343. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
       You need to read what I wrote - I said purple ANNOTATIONS. If something changed it would have been noted on the map just like the other things that changed -
       Sep 12, 2004 @ 19:59 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15344. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Ireland-NI border pics
       Back in the 80s the British govt. erected roadblocks on most of the border crossings and had checkpoints on others. You could walk across anytime but not
       Sep 12, 2004 @ 20:08 - John J. Kelly ("John J. Kelly" <johnkelly@...>)
15345. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
       By the same token, the tripoint could have moved...maybe the cartogrophers just didn t know about it. The AMAZGE tripoint could have moved (or even ceased to
       Sep 12, 2004 @ 20:16 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15346. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Ireland-NI border pics
       How about pics of county border markers (which of course serve as country markers)? ...
       Sep 12, 2004 @ 20:20 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15347. Website with border pictures
       http://www.arct.cam.ac.uk/islandvulnerability/borders.html Do we know this site already? Peter
       Sep 12, 2004 @ 20:52 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15348. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Website with border pictures
       I think. I am linking to it from Borderbase. Jesper ... From: Peter Smaardijk To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 10:52 PM
       Sep 12, 2004 @ 21:00 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15349. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Ireland-NI border pics
       There is a book about the Irish border with many pictures of such in. Jesper ... From: John J. Kelly To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September
       Sep 12, 2004 @ 21:01 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15350. Re: enclaves on stamps
       exactly you have finally hit it in your afterword here maestro & the tripoints sometimes do indeed move about etc so we only know for sure what was supposedly
       Sep 12, 2004 @ 21:02 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15351. Re: Ireland-NI border pics
       There is one at http://www.collectionspicturelibrary.com/eulster.html About half way down. Peter ... across ... take a ... trying to ... everyday ... Irish ...
       Sep 12, 2004 @ 21:17 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15352. Re: Ireland-NI border pics
       ... so I can ... thats ok pal you are a border giant in your own time & all those who cant swim should just run for the chandelier & inspired further by my
       Sep 12, 2004 @ 21:31 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15353. Re: Ireland-NI border pics
       Another two: http://sinnfein.org/bmgii/road.jpeg http://www.qub.ac.uk/cibr/WorkingPapers01.htm Peter ... http://www.collectionspicturelibrary.com/eulster.html
       Sep 12, 2004 @ 23:01 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15354. NAZM marker (and BWNA bridge)
       At http://www.klausdierks.com/Namibia_Photos/Namibia_Caprivi.htm . The marker ( S.W. Afrika - N. Rhodesia ) is at the 7th row of pictures. The bridge (at
       Sep 12, 2004 @ 23:38 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15355. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Ireland-NI border pics
       I ve found a few pictures of these blockades on Google Images, but none of these exist anywhere we could see on the border last month. Also, there were no
       Sep 13, 2004 @ 00:24 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
15356. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Ireland-NI border pics
       The county markers we encountered were all simply welcome signs and all were at least 100 meters inside each country. Dallen ... From: Michael Kaufman
       Sep 13, 2004 @ 00:26 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
15357. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Ireland-NI border pics
       Jesper, There aren t any of these kinds of signs left. DJT ... From: Jesper Nielsen [mailto:jesniel@image.dk] Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 7:30 AM To:
       Sep 13, 2004 @ 00:30 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
15358. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
       It s not a fantasy, it s common sense. The maps and borders were thoroughly done over in 1978. The claves were left as they were. You can t just assume
       Sep 13, 2004 @ 02:03 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15359. Re: enclaves on stamps
       ah but now you appear to be deliberately misunderstanding as well as deliberately misrepresenting what i actually said & did my questioning what you believe &
       Sep 13, 2004 @ 05:34 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15360. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
       Mike. Since you never write as a grown up, people misunderstand what you write. Period. Jesper ah but now you appear to be deliberately misunderstanding as
       Sep 13, 2004 @ 05:43 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15361. Re: enclaves on stamps
       aha so that is what i never do aha i was wondering what i never do too well that explains everything thank you old boy ... what you write. Period. ... as
       Sep 13, 2004 @ 06:07 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15362. RE: special to ron & dave
       aletheiak says, ...the length of a minute of latitude at the 49th parallel as 1853meters plus 508mm & borrowing directly ...
       Sep 13, 2004 @ 13:53 - Ron McConnell ("Ron McConnell" <rcmcc@...>)
15363. Re: special to ron & dave
       bravissimos maestro we are counting on you & of course your point500 outshoots my point508 as your finer instruments prove because mine were farther out of
       Sep 13, 2004 @ 15:24 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15364. Re: special to ron & dave
       now i am getting really out of order here doc not only because you are still catching up but also because we have not yet established whether there is even any
       Sep 13, 2004 @ 19:10 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15365. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
       I am not delusional. I am not misrepresenting what you say. You are just ignoring what you actually DID say. You refuse to read what I wrote or answer the
       Sep 14, 2004 @ 00:21 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15366. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: special to ron & dave
       I hope y all realize that while you re lost in all these maths, any competent surveyor with a transit and a rod man could locate BCIDWA with sufficient
       Sep 14, 2004 @ 02:22 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15367. Re: enclaves on stamps
       Map stamps are usually issued to press border claims - it takes too much deliberate work in creating a stamp showing an exclave for the reasoning human being
       Sep 14, 2004 @ 02:30 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
15368. More Ireland pics
       1) Picture 007 is looking from the North into the Republic over a small bridge. See the small county welcome sign on the left side of the road. 2)
       Sep 14, 2004 @ 02:49 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
15369. Re: [BoundaryPoint] More Ireland pics
       This IEUK boundary ranks right up there with ITVA for being stealth! I think both countries are striving for political correctness to the point of
       Sep 14, 2004 @ 03:52 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15370. Welcome to UK
       Has anybody ever seen a blue EU UK sign, or a less formal Welcome to UK/GB sign anywhere? Perhaps at the ports or airports? Nothing to report at the UK bases
       Sep 14, 2004 @ 05:12 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15371. Re: special to ron & dave
       yikes what makes yall think we are lost in anything but anyway please bust anything you know is lost or wrong directly no need to strut or pussyfoot around
       Sep 14, 2004 @ 05:23 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15372. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
       Before interleaving my responses...when you say map stamps, do you mean the purple ink-stamped update on the 2 year old (in 1978) topomap or do you mean
       Sep 14, 2004 @ 05:42 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15373. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Welcome to UK
       THE ONLY SIGNS TO INDICATE YOU ARE IN THE UK ARE DRIVE OF THE LEFT SIGNS IN fRENCH AND gERMAN. tHERE ARE SIGNS TO INDICATE ENTERING AND LEAVING WALES AND
       Sep 14, 2004 @ 06:38 - Bill Burke ("Bill Burke" <billb@...>)
15374. Re: enclaves on stamps
       ok len you cant be blamed for thinking we were talking about enclaves on stamps because the message title still does say enclaves on stamps even now oops but
       Sep 14, 2004 @ 06:38 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15375. Re: More Ireland pics
       ... wrote: (...) ... That must be the main reason for not putting up Welcome to N.I. or Welcome to the R.o.I. -signs. The Welcome to France or Welcome to
       Sep 14, 2004 @ 07:04 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15376. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Welcome to UK
       Jesper, ... You re not likely to see Welcome to the UK signs because neither places are part of the UK. In addition, the Cyprus SBAs are not part of the EU.
       Sep 14, 2004 @ 07:31 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
15377. Re: [BoundaryPoint] More Ireland pics
       Lowell, ... Any attempts to visibly demarcate the border would inevitably not go down well with nationalist communities on either side of the border. People
       Sep 14, 2004 @ 08:14 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
15378. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
       hi, here is a little map with the tiny enclaves. and here again the link to the discussed site: http://www.home.pages.at/maxifant/Frames/armenien.htm i wrote
       Sep 14, 2004 @ 08:38 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@gmx.de>)
15379. What is the UK? was: Welcome to UK
       ... Peers, I have some silly questions. Which entities make up the United Kingdom? Which make up Great Britain ? And how about the Commonwealth ? For
       Sep 14, 2004 @ 12:45 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
15380. RE: [BoundaryPoint] What is the UK? was: Welcome to UK
       A cynical Englishman s view is that we are called Great Britain when we win and England when we lose at sport. Other Britons from Wales, Northern Ireland and
       Sep 14, 2004 @ 12:56 - Bill Burke ("Bill Burke" <billb@...>)
15381. Re: What is the UK? was: Welcome to UK
       well i dont know if the silliness of these answers quite measures up to that of your questions sire but the format is delightfully handy
       Sep 14, 2004 @ 13:59 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15382. Re: enclaves on stamps
       well put maestro another reason i thought you might have had for saying whether they have ever functioned as claves is unknown is that at the only time they
       Sep 14, 2004 @ 14:10 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15383. Re: More Ireland pics
       ... stealth! I think both countries are striving for political correctness to the point of irresponsible dereliction. A stranger could easily not know what
       Sep 14, 2004 @ 14:49 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15384. Re: enclaves on stamps
       oh ohh i thought it was mike who found them anyway he seems well enough invested in them to have caught the ground floor at least but look how 1 or both of
       Sep 14, 2004 @ 15:44 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15385. Re: [BoundaryPoint] What is the UK?
       ... England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland form the United Kingdom. Jersey, Guernsey and the Isle of Man are Crown Dependencies and are not part of the
       Sep 14, 2004 @ 16:01 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
15386. Re: What is the UK?
       Now, with Cyprus joining the EU on May 1st 2004 can we be sure that SBAs are not part (not members) of the EU? Laszlo Kiss Budapest - Hungary ... Kingdom. ...
       Sep 14, 2004 @ 17:42 - lacomaco ("lacomaco" <finance@...>)
15387. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: What is the UK?
       Yes, I read it somewhere. I will look for documentation. Jesper ... From: lacomaco To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 7:42 PM
       Sep 14, 2004 @ 17:58 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15388. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
       Anytime you can t justify or back up your wild claims, you get caught up in semantic nit-picking, whining and avoiding the topic at hand. Instead of this why
       Sep 14, 2004 @ 18:25 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15389. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
       But of course the Kentucky bend or Liberty Island are no less claves, just because of a lack of people or physical demarcation etc. ...
       Sep 14, 2004 @ 18:32 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15390. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: What is the UK?
       http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/EU%20special%20territories ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 14,
       Sep 14, 2004 @ 18:36 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15391. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
       Is there evidence you have which would make you believe that the two enclaves south of Tatli no longer exist? The latest topomap brought to this group shows
       Sep 14, 2004 @ 18:38 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15392. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: What is the UK? was: Welcome to UK
       Why isn t there a name for the entire empire? Jesper ... From: aletheiak To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 3:59 PM Subject:
       Sep 14, 2004 @ 18:59 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15393. Non EU-euro coins
       A little off topic, but has anybody ever seen VA, SM or MC Euro-coins?
       Sep 14, 2004 @ 19:15 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15394. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Non EU-euro coins
       Remain offtopic, here is a nice site on the off topic http://www.eurocoins.co.uk/index.html Jesper ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
       Sep 14, 2004 @ 19:20 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15395. Kokkina
       I haven t heard of Kokkina/Erenköy since I visited this website a few minutes ago, but I take the liberty to assume the enclave still exist. I know mentioning
       Sep 14, 2004 @ 19:43 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15396. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: special to ron & dave
       See my several insertions below, the last one being the long one. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: aletheiak To:
       Sep 14, 2004 @ 19:41 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15397. djeret fiasco lease is renewed as expected
       & axworthy is back on the chopping block too http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=11914&Cr=ethiopia&Cr1=eritrea __________________________________ Do
       Sep 14, 2004 @ 19:45 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
15398. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Non EU-euro coins
       I saw a piece on television when the Vatican euro coins were about to come out. Italy was minting them for the Vatican. Euros from other countries were going
       Sep 14, 2004 @ 20:30 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15399. India-Bangladesh
       India-Bangladesh has been updated http://www.nicolette.dk/borderbase/border.php?c1=10&c2=66 Is this a border marker next to the yellow sign at the left side of
       Sep 14, 2004 @ 20:37 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15400. Re: special to ron & dave
       happily several more insertions too ... one. ... mean lost in the ... of lost in ... from being ... thanx pal & i cant forgive you because i never faulted
       Sep 14, 2004 @ 21:52 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15401. Re: enclaves on stamps
       Very well put. Yes, to answer a question put long ago , I did mean postage. LN
       Sep 15, 2004 @ 00:45 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
15402. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Non EU-euro coins (and Irish Border)
       Recently, while on a trip to Dublin, I passed the shop window for the Republican Sinn Fein party. (The political wing of the IRA - or a splinter group
       Sep 15, 2004 @ 02:24 - John J. Kelly ("John J. Kelly" <johnkelly@...>)
15403. Re: enclaves on stamps
       ... fair question & i must answer no not any hard or direct evidence that would make me believe that but the fact that the countries involved have been at war
       Sep 15, 2004 @ 02:29 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15404. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
       When I first read your post, I didn t think you meant postage, but the overlay/update. And I was perplexed because it seemed to me like you were making both
       Sep 15, 2004 @ 03:48 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15405. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
       Again, maybe if you didn t absolutely ignore messgaes 15388 and 15365, you would have seen me quote the specific passage of yours correctly. Once more here
       Sep 15, 2004 @ 05:09 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15406. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Kokkina
       ... It was certainly still there when I was in Cyprus last year. The area was heavily guarded by UN troops, and it wasn t possible to enter. I managed to take
       Sep 15, 2004 @ 07:43 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
15407. Re: [BoundaryPoint] What is the UK?
       ... Good question. The term United Kingdom and Colonies used to be used, but that fell out of use when the crown colonies were transformed into dependent
       Sep 15, 2004 @ 08:15 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
15408. mouse uproar in crescendo again
       http://www.eubusiness.com/afp/040915104220.f1bv3cly
       Sep 15, 2004 @ 15:38 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15409. Re: Yahoo!
       
       Sep 15, 2004 @ 19:59 - Eefberns ("Eefberns" <eefberns@grenspalen.nl>)
15410. Tripoint in Bulgarian
       Hi fellas Anybody that know the Bulgarian word for tripoint? Did we ever collect the tripoint dictionary? Jesper
       Sep 15, 2004 @ 19:14 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15411. GSEBE: BGCSMK
       BGCSMK should only be 2 km walk from the road (http://gorna_carsija.tripod.com/november/id24.html), but I cannot make sence of it. Anybody? Jesper
       Sep 15, 2004 @ 19:46 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15412. Is this GRTR terminus?
       http://www.aneta.gr/cfdocs/gr/evros_delta_1.htm
       Sep 15, 2004 @ 20:22 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15413. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Is this GRTR terminus?
       Or maybe even BGGRTR? ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 10:22 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Is this
       Sep 15, 2004 @ 20:23 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15414. BGCSRO map and perhaps photo?
       http://www.lov-negotin.org.yu/loviste/mapa.htm http://www.vranofca.com/
       Sep 15, 2004 @ 20:59 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15415. Re: Is this GRTR terminus?
       being evidently in the evros estuary all 4 pix are likely on or near grtr but much closer to the land sea interface than to bggrtr as i believe the text
       Sep 15, 2004 @ 21:03 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15416. Re: BGCSRO map and perhaps photo?
       why do you think so because they are dancing perhaps near a river or have you learned the bulgarian word for tripoint already
       Sep 15, 2004 @ 21:13 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15417. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: BGCSRO map and perhaps photo?
       Well, I have seen 26 tps already and I have a feeling. That s all. J ... From: aletheiak To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004
       Sep 15, 2004 @ 21:15 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15418. Re: GSEBE: BGCSMK
       ... (http://gorna_carsija.tripod.com/november/id24.html), but I cannot make sence of it. ... being pols they could have been airlifted to the gradiste border
       Sep 15, 2004 @ 21:38 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15419. Re: GSEBE: BGCSMK
       ... but it could be closer from the dead end at krstov dal which you can see after zooming in once more hard to tell which is closer or better
       Sep 15, 2004 @ 21:47 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15420. eritea to canada of all places on djeret try
       still refusing to see axworthy in asmara eritrea honors him by showing up in ottawa
       Sep 15, 2004 @ 22:10 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
15421. Re: enclaves on stamps
       ... a clave in particular namely nagorno karabakh...???? Nagorno has never been a political enclave - never anything more more than an ethnic one coalesced
       Sep 16, 2004 @ 01:12 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
15422. Re: enclaves on stamps
       so many question marks so imperceptible a question so delirious a rant but here you can see the 4 more or less de jure azerbaijan political exclaves & the 1
       Sep 16, 2004 @ 02:00 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15423. Re: Kokkina
       Is Kokkina really an enclave [exclave]? That would, it seems to me, depend on who exercizes sovereignty over the water off the coast to the open sea. LN ...
       Sep 16, 2004 @ 02:07 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
15424. Re: Kokkina
       kokkina is really a de facto political exclave but because there is no agreement between cyprus proper & turkish cyprus delimiting their respective seas as
       Sep 16, 2004 @ 02:25 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15425. Re: enclaves on stamps
       You know, we could get some Azeri and Armenian stamps, put them on envelopes, address the envelopes to ourselves, and then send them inside envelopes we d send
       Sep 16, 2004 @ 02:30 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
15426. Re: Kokkina
       It may be knowable if the Turks support the town only by sea - I can t imagine the UN is allowing military transports across it s surrounding sector. If we
       Sep 16, 2004 @ 02:34 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
15427. Re: enclaves on stamps
       good thinking maestro of course we would need someone like mike or peter who can write cyrillic but i would pay the postage due for the tatli maybeclaves ...
       Sep 16, 2004 @ 02:35 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15428. Re: Kokkina
       beyond the coastal baselines every innocently passing ship in the night exercises de facto sovereignty over its immediate vicinity as well as de jure
       Sep 16, 2004 @ 02:39 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15429. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
       Mike, this doesn t really seem delirious or imperceptible. Nice job on finding a small scale map which of course couldn t show any other claves whether or not
       Sep 16, 2004 @ 05:17 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15430. more tri-points on my page... more to come soon
       Hi folks - just thought you d be interested in looking at a few more tri-points I ve managed to post to my web site as the new semester has gotten underway.
       Sep 16, 2004 @ 06:36 - robedsall ("robedsall" <robedsall@...>)
15431. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoint in Bulgarian
       In Czech language is tripoint called trojmezi , in German language it is Dreilandereck I am including picture of Czech/German/Austrian Tripoint
       Sep 16, 2004 @ 07:26 - Jana Novotná (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Jana=20Novotn=E1?= <jana-tv@seznam.cz>)
15432. cooch behar
       Hi, just looked for cooch behar and found the following link: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu:8085/india/250k/ng45_8.jpg unfortunately there are shown only a few
       Oct 16, 2004 @ 09:46 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
15433. Re: GSEBE: BGCSMK
       On the attached map it seems to exist a sort of mountain road very close to the tp. marcel ... Aquest missatge ha estat enviat des del servei de correu
       Sep 16, 2004 @ 13:39 - marcelmiquel@correu.vilaweb.com (<marcelmiquel@correu.vilaweb.com>)
15434. Re: enclaves on stamps
       yes good thinking & all 3 of your question marks are valid so we write our question to them in russky since they may indeed still understand it bravo or at
       Sep 16, 2004 @ 14:00 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15435. Re: more tri-points on my page... more to come soon
       gorgeous dude you must really be smokin now keep up the great play & entertainment btw that inmioh disk is under the removable top plate just like coksok ...
       Sep 16, 2004 @ 14:38 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15436. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoint in Bulgarian
       hi nice thanx was that your personal visit did you notice what the top looks like from above ... name==?us-ascii?Q?trojmezi=5Fmale=2Ejpg?=
       Sep 16, 2004 @ 15:41 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
15437. Re: yes just the usual over bordermarkers (India-Pakistan)
       & now look how far we have come here in only 18 days http://www.webindia123.com/news/showdetails.asp?id=48079& cat=India along with everything else that has
       Sep 16, 2004 @ 16:35 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15438. Re: yes just the usual over bordermarkers (India-Pakistan)
       & yes evidently it does indeed lead here to getting along yes http://www.navhindtimes.com/stories.php?part=news&Story_ID= 091614 & i think any possible
       Sep 16, 2004 @ 16:54 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15439. Flora-Bama bar--ALFL
       In reporting the aftermath of Hurricane Ivan, Fox News Channel has just interviewed a Mobile radio talk show hostess who had evacuated from her home in the
       Sep 16, 2004 @ 18:13 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15440. Re: Flora-Bama bar--ALFL
       yikes & wow that means our sight line on alflus is gone too a giant setback for marine punctology tho its position at the 3mile limit could still be creditably
       Sep 16, 2004 @ 20:11 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15441. Re: cooch behar
       what ragged borders you have there they look like beached former thalwegs in the news today too http://tinyurl.com/4fzgv a bdin thaw seems to follow from the
       Sep 16, 2004 @ 20:39 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15442. Re: enclaves on stamps
       I can write cyrillic - I just need someone who knows in what order the letters go. LN
       Sep 17, 2004 @ 00:28 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
15443. Re: Kokkina
       No agree. When a ship is in someone s territorial waters it s surrounding sovereignty is zero. Even the insides are not sovereign - the captain may be
       Sep 17, 2004 @ 00:32 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
15444. Re: enclaves on stamps
       French is the international language of the world s postal services. I recommande you use it. LN
       Sep 17, 2004 @ 00:36 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
15445. Re: enclaves on stamps
       great because i already know that & indeed it is just the opposite of yiddish i am pretty sure they all keep right when they drive tho & i think toilets flush
       Sep 17, 2004 @ 00:39 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15446. Tex-Mex border pix - listen up, Lowell.
       I don t know if anyone exposed this official Texas website before. Super aerials of the border. http://bordercross.tamu.edu/plans_docs/railroads_bridges.stm LN
       Sep 17, 2004 @ 00:39 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
15447. Re: enclaves on stamps
       good so then with cyrillic if not also russian plus english & now french we will have created a true rosetta stone & true polyphony too & i can write at least
       Sep 17, 2004 @ 01:05 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15448. Re: Kokkina
       ... yes but de facto everybody makes way for it unless they are nuts they even avoid the propellers aft & below & if they are much smaller they avoid the wakes
       Sep 17, 2004 @ 01:15 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15449. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
       Where would you write? Still needs more specificity in terms of addressing. Call it a postal expedition perhaps. There may be a real expedtion there in a
       Sep 17, 2004 @ 01:26 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15450. Re: Tex-Mex border pix - listen up, Lowell.
       never before exposed the hottie is http://bordercross.tamu.edu/plans_docs/bridges/lcsb.jpg with binational tristate points situated a short distance off frame
       Sep 17, 2004 @ 01:27 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15451. Re: enclaves on stamps
       ok mike this feels much better to me yet again thank you & wouldnt you know i actually had to cut off the bottom of your message again just now in order to add
       Sep 17, 2004 @ 02:05 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15452. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tex-Mex border pix - listen up, Lowell.
       This is great stuff! Thanks, Len! Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: L. A. Nadybal To:
       Sep 17, 2004 @ 02:57 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15453. Re: enclaves on stamps
       ... yes it is & please excuse the unavoidable interruption above & i have cut off the entire bottom of the message now so we have plenty of room to grow it
       Sep 17, 2004 @ 03:37 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15454. Tex-Mex bridge error and a new tripoint photo!
       Whoa! There s a serious geographical error at http://tinyurl.com/6bwgj on this Tex-Mex border bridge pics site. The two railroad bridges in this photo are not
       Sep 17, 2004 @ 05:27 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15455. Re: Tex-Mex bridge error and a new tripoint photo!
       good catch & correct photo analysis so obviously this qualifies as a hottie too the high speed chase cum chnmtx visit reported in messages 12634 & 12635 began
       Sep 17, 2004 @ 06:46 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15456. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Tex-Mex bridge error and a new tripoint photo!
       Thanks. What is the nature of the private road bridge below the rail bridges? It must exist to access the industrial premises on the New Mexico bank between
       Sep 17, 2004 @ 13:36 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15457. divided unions anyone
       http://tinyurl.com/5d63p http://topozone.com/map.asp?z=19&n=4614099&e=262870
       Sep 17, 2004 @ 14:21 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15458. Re: Tex-Mex bridge error and a new tripoint photo!
       right again & tho i am not positive who owns & posts it private my guess would be the brick & tile manufactory that dots both nmtx banks for miles i had also
       Sep 17, 2004 @ 15:08 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15459. Re: enclaves on stamps
       corrections ... the rayon of tatli is not qazax but agstafa with seat of government likely in the city of agstafa but perhaps better than any letter we could
       Sep 17, 2004 @ 16:27 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15460. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
       The Universal Postal Union has the official addressing standards of all nations on the web in English. You will find postal addressing standards for Armenia
       Sep 17, 2004 @ 18:39 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15461. BM or sign
       Is this an official border marker or a sign? http://www.svenbugarski.de/travel/South%20America/Bolivien/Bolivien.html Jesper
       Sep 17, 2004 @ 21:15 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15462. Re: BM or sign
       ... 20America/Bolivien/Bolivien.html ... I don t know, but the thing in the background might be a marker. Compare:
       Sep 17, 2004 @ 21:42 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15463. Re: BM or sign
       ... ... And some more: http://www.difrol.cl/0111.htm (CLPE) http://www.coronadelinca.com.ar/trav_volcancito.htm (ARCL)
       Sep 17, 2004 @ 21:59 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15464. Re: BM or sign
       ... marker. ... http://www.region.com.ar/pehuenche/randonee/2003/fotos.htm ... also the flat square stone in the foreground at the feet of the people slouching
       Sep 17, 2004 @ 22:21 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15465. Re: BM or sign
       ... Yes, that is possible, but the stone would be an intermediate marker. Cf. http://www.ciberutem.cl/Directores/LIMITES-CHILE_BOLIVIA.pdf (at the bottom of
       Sep 17, 2004 @ 22:29 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15466. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: BM or sign
       Yes, we ve seen these steel tower boundary markers (like the one in the background) before along the limits of Chile. The post for the sign in the foreground
       Sep 17, 2004 @ 22:39 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15467. Re: enclaves on stamps
       in view of what the recent agstafa link says about the demise of the bigger claves in that neighborhood why seek the smaller ones now in any language it
       Sep 17, 2004 @ 23:03 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15468. Re: enclaves on stamps
       confirmation of the demise of karki paragraph number 4 in http://bisnis.doc.gov/bisnis/country/981203az.htm
       Sep 17, 2004 @ 23:09 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15469. Re: enclaves on stamps
       ... Yes, that happened on January 13, 1990, according to the website of the embassy of Azerbaijan in China ( http://www.azerbembassy.org.cn/rus/back_chron.html
       Sep 17, 2004 @ 23:36 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15470. Re: enclaves on stamps
       you can have your opinion & i dont mean to be argumentative but in fact de facto always trumps de jure everywhere & normally a new de jure will emerge from a
       Sep 18, 2004 @ 00:21 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15471. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: BM or sign
       Have we seen this BOCLPE before? ... http://www.region.com.ar/pehuenche/randonee/2003/fotos.htm ...
       Sep 18, 2004 @ 01:54 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15472. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: BM or sign
       http://ea.gmcsa.net/2001/12-Diciembre/20011202/Informe/Diciembre/inf011202a.html & http://volare.tercera.cl/archivo/Nro.107-1998.29.11/09.JPG where the
       Sep 18, 2004 @ 03:16 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
15473. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: BM or sign
       Nice pics. ... http://ea.gmcsa.net/2001/12-Diciembre/20011202/Informe/Diciembre/inf011202a.html ... http://volare.tercera.cl/archivo/Nro.107-1998.29.11/09.JPG
       Sep 18, 2004 @ 04:38 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15474. Re: BM or sign
       Another one at http://tinyurl.com/68h4h Peter ... Diciembre/20011202/Informe/Diciembre/inf011202a.html ... ~- ... ~-
       Sep 18, 2004 @ 11:06 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15475. Re: enclaves on stamps
       ... Thanks. You can have yours, too. ... front ... direction I agree. Especially with your words normally , rarely . (By the way, the fact that de jure is
       Sep 18, 2004 @ 11:13 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15476. Re: enclaves on stamps
       well put all people or at least normal people do sensibly prefer de jure to de facto & just as sensibly prefer de facto to an active military front in that
       Sep 18, 2004 @ 14:16 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15477. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: BM or sign
       ... For those who don t read Spanish, part of the text is worth translating: For more than 50 years, between 10 in the morning and two in afternoon every
       Sep 18, 2004 @ 14:29 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15478. Re: BM or sign
       ... afternoon every ... Chile, Perú, and ... monolith painted ... the Chileans ... Bolivians of Charaña ... household appliances, ... customs police ...
       Sep 18, 2004 @ 14:41 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15479. is this just some pettiness or a real dispute over mdrouas etc
       http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-09/18/content_1994373.htm http://www.law.fsu.edu/library/collection/LimitsinSeas/IBS043.pdf says rosu at least was the
       Sep 18, 2004 @ 14:47 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
15480. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: BM or sign
       Yikes! [as some would say] You re right. I should have read more both above and below. I was in a hurry and read only what I though related to the weekly
       Sep 18, 2004 @ 16:20 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15481. Re: BM or sign
       ... one in the ... you & peter are both right to mention matching examples of chilean border markers in this connection but the distinctive steel tower style
       Sep 18, 2004 @ 21:56 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15482. Re: enclaves on stamps
       ... international ... thats true tho what i meant by reconstituted is not just continued in a new format for that seems common enough but actually brought back
       Sep 18, 2004 @ 22:05 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15483. Re: BM or sign
       ... not necessarily for you are right too & your sentiment is right on unless realities completely measure up to your standards best to ignore them if you
       Sep 18, 2004 @ 22:27 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15484. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: BM or sign
       Now we ve seen all three sides of the monument! How many South American TPs have been visited live by BPers? National tripoint visits by us first-hand seem to
       Sep 18, 2004 @ 23:34 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15485. in pleasant surprise bd&in agree to swap claves etc
       http://www.aljazeerah.info/News%20archives/2004%20News%20archives/September/18n/Dhaka,%20Delhi%20Agree%20Steps%20to%20Boost%20Contacts.htm
       Sep 18, 2004 @ 23:57 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
15486. fresh insights on the road to cninpk
       http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/855883.cms _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today!
       Sep 19, 2004 @ 00:01 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
15487. Re: BM or sign
       only mafia pete has come close enough to the notorious triple frontier at arbrpy to have actually seen a south american tripoint while i have also grazed that
       Sep 19, 2004 @ 00:11 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15488. Re: Tex-Mex bridge error and a new tripoint photo!
       My visit to the CHNMTX tripoint last month ended with a polite but serious suggestion by the border guard who found me poking around the business parking lot
       Sep 19, 2004 @ 00:14 - robedsall ("robedsall" <robedsall@...>)
15489. Re: Tex-Mex bridge error and a new tripoint photo!
       ... wrote: I ll try ... a ... and ... have ... i realize it keeps getting crazier down there but until very recently i have always just acted
       Sep 19, 2004 @ 00:51 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15490. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
       (Not trimming anything.) But we will have to see about what happens as soon as I send this message. There were further experiments I wanted to perform using
       Sep 19, 2004 @ 01:58 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15491. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
       Ok this makes sense about maybeclaves. But about the tripoints - you re saying a multipoint can move around but presumtively still exist as long as the
       Sep 19, 2004 @ 02:41 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15492. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Tex-Mex bridge error and a new tripoint photo!
       Rob, I ve never been to El Paso, so I can t give any first-hand advice. It seems that contacting the Border Patrol as a professor should work. That big green
       Sep 19, 2004 @ 03:05 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15493. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
       hi, maybe you can think of seborga. but i dot know about the status of seborga. here you will find information: www.seborga.net my problem with this: they dont
       Sep 19, 2004 @ 08:04 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
15494. Re: enclaves on stamps
       of course you are right & a spectacular catch it is tho any such perturbations as you describe in that particular area would be immediately sensed & noted by
       Sep 19, 2004 @ 14:04 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15495. Re: enclaves on stamps
       lovely one & to think i once toodled right past it unawares & it would indeed qualify as reconstituted if it ever was or is in future recognized as independent
       Sep 19, 2004 @ 14:41 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15496. Re: enclaves on stamps
       nor is this assessment contradicted by the palindrological analysis reported in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/6389 ... deliberately ...
       Sep 19, 2004 @ 17:24 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15497. mouse to oz for tripoint talks under xmas deal deadline
       http://www.abc.net.au/ra/newstories/RANewsStories_1202625.htm __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free
       Sep 20, 2004 @ 00:34 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
15498. MXUS international rail tunnel collapses
       A brush fire last week that started in Mexico and spread into the USA has done significant damage to four miles of railway. Most importantly, the fire burned
       Sep 20, 2004 @ 01:19 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15499. Re: [BoundaryPoint] MXUS international rail tunnel collapses
       ... good work & fair play & to redeem & multicap our topic of demises be they florabaman mxous or clavic with a veritable whats wrong with this picture bonanza
       Sep 20, 2004 @ 14:52 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
15500. Re: MXUS international rail tunnel collapses
       http://pw1.netcom.com/~wparsons/FireSpdr.html Peter ... USA has done ... fire burned ... tunnel between the ... and 28.5 ... At the ... those of
       Sep 20, 2004 @ 15:13 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15501. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: MXUS international rail tunnel collapses
       Peter, Thanks. This is very interesting. I have sent the URL to my Mexican railway group. The web site of the Pacific Southwest Railway Museum, which runs
       Sep 20, 2004 @ 18:38 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15502. Bosnia-herz / croatia / Serbia-mont tripoints
       Do you remember if we know this protocol? http://www.mfa.gov.yu/Policy/Bilaterala/Bosnia/activities_e/031003_e.h tml PROTOCOL ON BORDER POINTS BETWEEN
       Sep 20, 2004 @ 18:47 - marcelmiquelcat ("marcelmiquelcat" <marcelmiquel@...>)
15503. Re: Bosnia-herz / croatia / Serbia-mont tripoints
       i dont know but doesnt this just confirm both bacshrn & bacshrs as expected one just east of brcko & the other just east of dubrovnik ...
       Sep 20, 2004 @ 19:17 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15504. more sports & sky limit must mean cninpk is closer
       note this soaring inpk analysis comes from bd yet http://nation.ittefaq.com/artman/publish/article_12492.shtml __________________________________ Do you
       Sep 20, 2004 @ 19:41 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
15505. more Ireland pics
       Here are a few more pictures from Ireland. Pic 17b-This is looking west on the UK-EI border on a small bridge. Pic 18b-Looking the opposite direction. Pic
       Sep 20, 2004 @ 20:10 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
15506. more Ireland pics
       Ok, let s try this again. Here are a few more pictures from Ireland. Pic 17b-This is looking west on the UK-EI border on a small bridge. Pic 18b-Looking the
       Sep 20, 2004 @ 20:11 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
15507. Baarle history?
       I had the chance to look through Ewan Anderson s book International boundaries today (http://tinyurl.com/5x8jc) Looking up BENL I found this to my surprise:
       Sep 20, 2004 @ 21:32 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15508. Photo Gallery: 'Marking out the Kazak-Uzbek border'
       Photo Gallery: Marking out the Kazak-Uzbek border Gallery of 20 pictures from border areas affected by ongoing demarcation of the frontier. Link:
       Sep 20, 2004 @ 21:34 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
15509. Re: Baarle history?
       ... International boundaries today (http://tinyurl.com/5x8jc) this was previewed in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/1344 ... makes a
       Sep 20, 2004 @ 22:15 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15510. My two cents on AMAZ enclaves
       There was such a hue and cry over the AMAZ enclaves over the last two weeks or so that I probably should have e-mailed earlier. But I am lazy and here is what
       Sep 21, 2004 @ 01:41 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
15511. Re: My two cents on AMAZ enclaves
       ... fresh armenian map http://www.gov.am/enversion/regional_7/regional.htm azeri testimonies you may have missed http://www.travel-images.com/az-agstafa.html
       Sep 21, 2004 @ 04:24 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15512. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
       will comment on all this soon when more time ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage!
       Sep 21, 2004 @ 22:40 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15513. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoint in Bulgarian
       No Bulgarian so far as I know. So far what we have (These are taken from some BP emails with several additions. I don t know if these have been verified for
       Sep 21, 2004 @ 22:48 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15514. mathews & nelson arrive with several surprises
       the long elusive & then long awaited mathews & nelson 1928 mdva report once believed indispensable for determining true mdvawv & later believed indispensable
       Sep 22, 2004 @ 01:06 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15515. Re: enclaves on stamps
       With the Anschluß of Austria by Germany, Jungholz disappeared as the two countries became one; and then, after WWII, it reappeared. Now don t go splitting
       Sep 22, 2004 @ 02:09 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
15516. Re: enclaves on stamps
       still i must concede that is an extremely nice pene example & indeed our closest thing to a real example yet so it shouldnt just be dismissed out of hand even
       Sep 22, 2004 @ 02:18 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15517. Re: [BoundaryPoint] mathews & nelson arrive with several surprises
       The Supreme Court decision is at http://tinyurl.com/3vrql , and it does indeed place MDWV at the low-water mark on the south bank of the Potomac, on the same
       Sep 22, 2004 @ 04:11 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15518. Re: Tripoint in Bulgarian
       Bulgarian: trigranichna tochka (or trigranichnata tochka with definite article - the tripoint ) Peter
       Sep 22, 2004 @ 08:38 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15519. Re: Tripoint in Bulgarian (FI & SE added)
       Finnish: kolmen valtakunnan rajapyykki Swedish: treriksröse rolf ... Finnish: kolmen valtakunnan rajapyykki Swedish: treriksröse rolf At 08:38 22.9.2004
       Sep 22, 2004 @ 08:57 - Rolf Palmberg (Rolf Palmberg <rpalmber@...>)
15520. Re: mathews & nelson arrive with several surprises
       thanx & this only keeps getting more delicious for tho it is true that the vawv convergent at mdvawv was originally a drainage divide or to be more exact a
       Sep 22, 2004 @ 13:18 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15521. oops cmng imitates eret
       as you probably knew if you have been following the recent cmng judgment & territorial transfers nigeria after having proudly offered herself & cameroon last
       Sep 22, 2004 @ 13:47 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15522. Some thoughts on claves
       I wish to make a few codifications of the obvious, then state something that I have newly realized about enclaves. As nature abhors a vacuum, political
       Sep 22, 2004 @ 18:22 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15523. Re: DCMDVAN via Potomac Heritage Trail
       ... for ... i can certainly understand the wisdom of praying for drought here & this site has again proved useful & i think will continue to be most
       Sep 22, 2004 @ 19:12 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15524. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: My two cents on AMAZ enclaves
       ... All to often, maps are nothing more than propaganda. One must consider the source. I remember entering the Peruvian pavilion at the 1984 New Orleans
       Sep 22, 2004 @ 19:46 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15525. Re: Some thoughts on claves
       ... something that I ... enclave. I need not ... engendered by their ... unilaterally or ... claves do or do not ... for only ... places under siege are
       Sep 22, 2004 @ 19:58 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15526. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
       We have another one like Jungholz: Oecussi - East Timor, although this is not completely surrounded. Regards, Chris ... From: L. A. Nadybal To:
       Sep 12, 2004 @ 20:52 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
15527. Re: enclaves on stamps
       ... Did Jungholz really disappear? The boundaries around Jungholz were no longer international ones - but that goes for all of ATDE. Dit Jungholz become part
       Sep 22, 2004 @ 20:59 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15528. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: mathews & nelson arrive with several surprises
       Please see my two insertions below. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: aletheiak To:
       Sep 22, 2004 @ 21:34 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15529. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Some thoughts on claves
       ... I would say that national-level enclaves were promoted from sub- national enclaves when the larger entity you talk about was divided. It only explains
       Sep 22, 2004 @ 21:36 - Pepijn Hendriks ("Pepijn Hendriks" <yahoo@...>)
15530. Re: enclaves on stamps
       huh in what way is oecussi like jungholz i dont get it but i do get & agree with peters recent comment even jungholz didnt actually die & get resurrected
       Sep 22, 2004 @ 21:44 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15531. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Some thoughts on claves
       ... You are correct, but I did not say that ALL enclaves result from the division of larger entities, but that most modern ones do. I suppose that West Berlin
       Sep 22, 2004 @ 21:51 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15532. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
       Hm, maybe im wrong, but wasnt it like indonesia occupied east timor and treated it as being a part of indonesia (or even worse)? And in this context one could
       Sep 12, 2004 @ 22:07 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
15533. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Some thoughts on claves
       True. They are promoted to the national level from whatever previous sub-national origin. I carefully spoke of them as artifacts of division. Lowell G.
       Sep 22, 2004 @ 22:08 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15534. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: My two cents on AMAZ enclaves
       For us and most who read the whole thread we could tell that Mike D. was the Mike that Arif meant. But for the Turtle-ian pop-ins it might be best to
       Sep 22, 2004 @ 22:12 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15535. Re: Some thoughts on claves
       nor do i think you did say that but i responded as i did by way of exception because you kept saying the claves only exist to such extent & that they only
       Sep 22, 2004 @ 22:20 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15536. Re: mathews & nelson arrive with several surprises
       & my 2 too please ... several surprises ... originally ... 1998 ... the ... involved in this ... him again to ask why ... i already did & he said it was
       Sep 22, 2004 @ 22:27 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15537. Re: My two cents on AMAZ enclaves
       yikes is our mind still clouded again tomorrow we thought we will already take care of that yesterday now mike thinks this must be me & i think it must be arif
       Sep 22, 2004 @ 22:49 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15538. Re: My two cents on AMAZ enclaves
       mike the armenian government map of armenia is working again for me now good luck
       Sep 23, 2004 @ 00:03 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15539. Re: Some thoughts on claves
       But it was tolerated to the extent that they did not resume active fighting. They might not have liked it, but they did tolerate it enough not to engage in
       Sep 23, 2004 @ 00:32 - mikekaufman79 ("mikekaufman79" <mikekaufman79@...>)
15540. Re: Some thoughts on claves
       whatever specific case you mean by it your statement is probably true if they have stopped fighting there & havent resumed but false so long as they are still
       Sep 23, 2004 @ 00:46 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15541. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Some thoughts on claves
       I was speaking of East German toleration of West Berlin. ... _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today!
       Sep 23, 2004 @ 00:54 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15542. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Some thoughts on claves
       Okay. I see what you mean. My pronouncement only to such extent and for only so long as they are tolerated was perhaps a bit overdrawn and did not take
       Sep 23, 2004 @ 00:56 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15543. Re: My two cents on AMAZ enclaves
       I just meant based on what he was saying he meant Mike to mean you. But of course on a larger scale it was to both of us, and then on a larger scale to all
       Sep 23, 2004 @ 00:59 - mikekaufman79 ("mikekaufman79" <mikekaufman79@...>)
15544. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Some thoughts on claves
       Degrees of tolerance and intolerance are relative. They only tried to starve the people of West Berlin. The reason they didn t succeed is because they were
       Sep 23, 2004 @ 00:59 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15545. Re: enclaves on stamps
       Pene-enclave can mean almost an enclave in the sense of the boundary lines almost come to a close but then widen back out. It can also mean almost an enclave,
       Sep 23, 2004 @ 01:34 - mikekaufman79 ("mikekaufman79" <mikekaufman79@...>)
15546. Re: My two cents on AMAZ enclaves
       actually i have previously absented myself from all the clouds while granting any to those who may desire them & i do in fact prefer to be clear by design &
       Sep 23, 2004 @ 01:38 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15547. Re: enclaves on stamps
       Good point - it disappeared as an international level enclave, but was still an exclave of Land Tirol. Len
       Sep 23, 2004 @ 01:55 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
15548. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
       If I understand what you re saying, I agree. From my point of view, Jungholz is an enclave. That single infinitely small point that connects Jungholz with the
       Sep 23, 2004 @ 01:55 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15549. Re: enclaves on stamps
       Disappearing, reappearing and disappearing again is not as rare as you might think if you are willing to go back in history to exclaves no longer in existence
       Sep 23, 2004 @ 01:58 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
15550. Re: enclaves on stamps
       You wrote: From the second interpretation, it is a pene-enclave as it is not possible to reach Jungholz via the rest of Austria without ever leaving Austria.
       Sep 23, 2004 @ 02:03 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
15551. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
       but no living thing satisfies this qualification. for if it were only one point wide, it would have not matter at all. ... __________________________________
       Sep 23, 2004 @ 02:08 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15552. Re: enclaves on stamps
       ... boundary ... also ... this & its various other ambiguities are why i avoid using that word myself ... lines ... the ... much an ... pene- ... yes of course
       Sep 23, 2004 @ 02:11 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15553. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
       This is what I mean by pene-enclave in the second sense. ... _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today!
       Sep 23, 2004 @ 02:14 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15554. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
       First you talked of a pene example. Which could mean pene-enclave example as well as almost an example. So this is how it relates. Second, when I speak of
       Sep 23, 2004 @ 02:27 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15555. Re: enclaves on stamps
       strut your stuff len we are still looking for a first example of a resurrected dead clave it could have died again or many times no problem & it could be
       Sep 23, 2004 @ 02:29 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15556. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Some thoughts on claves
       Yes but knowing the consequences, they tolerated the clave enough not to attempt to obliterate it. Now of course tolerance has degrees. But when intolerance
       Sep 23, 2004 @ 02:35 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15557. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
       ... You had to know that this was coming: What if Jungholz were separated from the rest of Austria by one foot of intervening German territory? You could
       Sep 23, 2004 @ 03:58 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15558. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Tripoint
       Macedonian : tromegja Mile Milenkoski, ... _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2
       Sep 23, 2004 @ 06:12 - Mile Milenkoski ("Mile Milenkoski" <mmilenkoski@...>)
15559. Re: enclaves on stamps
       No, Jungholz was actually absorbed into the surrounding Reichsgau (Garmisch-Partenkirchen, I think, but I would have to look it up), and it was not part of the
       Sep 23, 2004 @ 08:02 - Anton Zeilinger ("Anton Zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
15560. Re: enclaves on stamps
       ... other, and ... other, just as ... German ... step across the ... atoms are ... of us ... boundary with ... a foot or a ... It just has ... I fully agree!
       Sep 23, 2004 @ 08:11 - Anton Zeilinger ("Anton Zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
15561. Re: Baarle history?
       ... boundaries today (http://tinyurl.com/5x8jc) ... a further series of loops, utilizing short lengths of tributary including an adjustment (1995) to
       Sep 23, 2004 @ 08:14 - Anton Zeilinger ("Anton Zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
15562. Re: enclaves on stamps
       You re right! See http://www.verfassungen.de/de/de33-45/oesterreich38-5.htm (art.1, point 5) Peter ... and ... quadripoint... ... ... but was
       Sep 23, 2004 @ 08:15 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15563. Re: enclaves on stamps
       ... Sorry, not South Africa, obviously, but Zambia. Also, please read: ... and thus no common boundary between Botswana and Zambia as well as Namibia and
       Sep 23, 2004 @ 09:47 - Anton Zeilinger ("Anton Zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
15564. RE: [BoundaryPoint] divided unions anyone
       there is also a divided church on the massachusetts-rhode island border. i believe blackstone, ma. but, i forget the r.i. town. i have been to the church, long
       Sep 23, 2004 @ 12:23 - Beckett, Bob ("Beckett, Bob" <bob.beckett@...>)
15565. Re: enclaves on stamps
       sharp shooting maestro & the closest thing yet reported to a truly resurrected truly dead true clave indeed the closest thing imaginable on all counts & thus
       Sep 23, 2004 @ 12:32 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15566. asmara pouts & brussels sprouts for djeret
       http://www.sudantribune.com/article.php3?id_article=5595 http://www.sudantribune.com/article.php3?id_article=5601
       Sep 23, 2004 @ 14:28 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15567. dcmdvan & mdvawv retries continued
       so to sum up & then proceed the best available & indeed authoritative positions if not of these 2 tripoints themselves then at least of the low water marks
       Sep 23, 2004 @ 19:49 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
15568. Lots of fun on DZNE
       http://tinyurl.com/5ceyc Peter
       Sep 23, 2004 @ 20:17 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15569. Re: [BoundaryPoint] dcmdvan & mdvawv retries continued
       I d love to be there, but I can t get away. I think it s good to carry forward any and all notions of how to extend VAWV to the tripoint. Sometimes, there s
       Sep 23, 2004 @ 22:43 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15570. Re: enclaves on stamps
       If you can cut something so thin that it has only one side, you can get it across the point from Junholz to mutterland Austria. The thing that goes across the
       Sep 23, 2004 @ 23:34 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
15571. Re: enclaves on stamps
       Is the point a place where there is true joint sovereignty? LN
       Sep 23, 2004 @ 23:36 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
15572. Re: enclaves on stamps
       I just came across a reference to this, too. At first blush, I think you are right...it may have fully disappeared for awhile. LN ... quadripoint... ...
       Sep 24, 2004 @ 01:02 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
15573. Timely article about IE (ROI?)-UK
       Just came across this: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/story.jsp?story=564814 Cheers! Doug ... A bad day in television is still better than a good day
       Sep 24, 2004 @ 01:30 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
15574. Re: enclaves on stamps - struttin
       ... OK smarty pants - here goes: this is Nr. 1. The Comtat Venaissin is limited by the rivers Rhône and Durance and the Mount Ventoux. It is named after its
       Sep 24, 2004 @ 01:49 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
15575. Re: enclaves on stamps - struttin
       nice try arty pants but what is your source for the claims of actual demises in 1663 & 1668 & 1768 there were invasions for sure & possibly even military
       Sep 24, 2004 @ 05:28 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15576. Re: enclaves on stamps
       you think he is right about what he says it did not disappear but continued to exist ... Reichsgau ... up), and ... its ... did still ... ...
       Sep 24, 2004 @ 05:32 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15577. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
       Yes but there is no such thing, living or not, that you could actually cut that thin. One molecule wide, one atom wide, one proton wide, one electron wide,
       Sep 24, 2004 @ 05:39 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15578. Re: enclaves on stamps
       all multipoints are points of true joint sovereignty but they are just points rather than actually places they are located in places & they are often even
       Sep 24, 2004 @ 05:39 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15579. RE: Timely article about IE (ROI?)-UK
       Doug, This doesn t surprise me, as there was no sign at all that there was any law enforcement, border patrol, customs, immigration, or even interested parties
       Sep 24, 2004 @ 05:41 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
15580. Re: dcmdvan & mdvawv retries continued
       ... extend VAWV to ... look to make ... courthouse land books of ... thanx & yes i am aware that a copy of the survey presently in my hands has also been
       Sep 24, 2004 @ 06:04 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15581. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Timely article about IE (ROI?)-UK
       ... How is this different to the borders between Schengen countries? The UK and the ROI operate a common travel area, so there doesn t need to be immigration
       Sep 24, 2004 @ 08:43 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
15582. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoint in Bulgarian
       I have gathered just a few: czech: trojmezí slovak: trojmedzie polish: trójgraniczny szczyt or trójstyk slovenian: tromeje serbian or croatian: tromedje or
       Sep 24, 2004 @ 09:42 - Petter Brabec (Petter Brabec <pete2784west@...>)
15583. Re: enclaves on stamps - struttin
       often attacked but never sacked evidently because the papal palace itself was impregnable http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avignon#Avignon_under_the_Popes ... 1663
       Sep 24, 2004 @ 11:25 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15584. Re: Timely article about IE (ROI?)-UK
       well nobody claimed it would be relevant or meaningful but only timely & crimely & anyway how could anyone get into anything except by crossing its border what
       Sep 24, 2004 @ 11:55 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15585. where the canadian border meets the land
       of course pt bob & pt blaine & their 3 bccawa tripoints are what is meant here & it is good to remember all the canadian federal waters tripoints tho the
       Sep 24, 2004 @ 12:55 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15586. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: dcmdvan & mdvawv retries continued
       You have the survey in-hand. Good. If the end of the line on the river bank is unmonumented, but merely an extrapolation of two other monumented points, is
       Sep 24, 2004 @ 14:16 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15587. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Timely article about IE (ROI?)-UK
       ... If that s their choice, they shouldn t be surprised that the border attracts various misconduct. They have invited it, so they shouldn t complain. When
       Sep 24, 2004 @ 15:09 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15588. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Extraterritorial marker at Buesingen
       hi, i made some pictures from the situation between marker 4 and 6. there is an interesting situation. on the map it looks like there is just one street. this
       Sep 24, 2004 @ 14:59 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
15589. DCMDVAN
       Yes, I have a GPS, in fact I have two. The older one is a battery hog and weighs a ton, but it is often more accurate than the newer instrument. Will bring
       Sep 24, 2004 @ 15:52 - spookymike@aol.com (spookymike@...)
15590. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Timely article about IE (ROI?)-UK
       & anyway how could anyone get into anything except by crossing its border I thought the same thing. For of course one needs to cross a border to get into
       Sep 24, 2004 @ 18:26 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15591. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Timely article about IE (ROI?)-UK
       Lowell, ... I honestly didn t understand the point the article was trying to make. The UK and the ROI, plus the Channel Isles and the Isle of Man operate a
       Sep 24, 2004 @ 19:30 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
15592. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Timely article about IE (ROI?)-UK
       I am aware that Ireland had some remaining governmental ties to the UK between 1921 and the establishment of the republic in 1949. My statement that its
       Sep 24, 2004 @ 20:29 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15593. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Timely article about IE (ROI?)-UK
       Lowell, ... They are now, but legally they weren t before 1931. Australia, Canada, South Africa and Ireland originally only had dominion status and retained
       Sep 24, 2004 @ 22:07 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
15594. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
       Whoah! ha ha yes indeed - in a trigonometric sence a point is the 0th dimension. And yes of course nothing of any physical substance can pass from Jungolz to
       Sep 24, 2004 @ 22:31 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15595. Re: DCMDVAN
       ... hog and ... instrument. Will ... fantastic my doppleganger we will double our fun & maybe our accuracy too ... 7, on a county ... that Sunday or ... work,
       Sep 24, 2004 @ 22:44 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15596. Re: dcmdvan & mdvawv retries continued
       ... merely an ... reason to believe ... not to extend ... yes i think the reasons to believe it are that this point is actually specified as the terminal point
       Sep 24, 2004 @ 23:04 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15597. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Timely article about IE (ROI?)-UK
       Kevin, I don t think we have any disagreement. I said separate nations, not independent. The independence of Canada and Australia were undoubtedly
       Sep 24, 2004 @ 23:13 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15598. Re: Timely article about IE (ROI?)-UK
       ... countries? The UK and ... to be ... attracts ... complain. When ... legitimate ... this case even ... didnt ... separate nation from ... agitation.
       Sep 25, 2004 @ 02:01 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15599. Re: enclaves on stamps
       There is a physical non-living form called a mobius strip that has only one side. Admittedly, it has two edges which might cause us difficulty, but it really
       Sep 25, 2004 @ 02:48 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
15600. Re: enclaves on stamps - struttin
       I ll have to dig a little for my source, but I have it. I believe three three pieces were separate - Avignon perhaps wasn t sacked, but the other two
       Sep 25, 2004 @ 02:51 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
15601. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
       The Möbius strip is still made up of substance that occupies space. Therefore, it can t pass through an infinitely small point. The unique loop of the
       Sep 25, 2004 @ 03:31 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15602. Re: enclaves on stamps - struttin
       your source could have been the same as the fotw site which appears to claim the same 4 demises for papal avignon as you did however misguidedly for
       Sep 25, 2004 @ 14:06 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15603. can anyone find cninpk
       http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/south_asia/03/kashmir_future/html/3.stm _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online
       Sep 25, 2004 @ 14:39 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
15604. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Timely article about IE (ROI?)-UK
       ... Just because one believes in exactitude, does mean that one necessarily believes in the righteousness of why things are the way they are. Howeever, borders
       Sep 25, 2004 @ 18:15 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
15605. Re: enclaves on stamps - struttin
       I first heard of the place in my philatelic exploits, and later found that the papal exclave had its own coins. There is a book about them, Les monnaies du
       Sep 26, 2004 @ 02:29 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
15606. Re: enclaves on stamps - struttin
       I found the right notes.... Here s the book that described the disappearance and re-emergences: Histoire des reunions temporaires d Avignon et du Comtat
       Sep 26, 2004 @ 02:46 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
15607. Enclaves in Ferghana Valley
       Here s a story about mainly the Shakhimardan region (incl rumours that the territory was lost by a Kyrgyz official in a card game with an Uzbek colleague!).
       Sep 26, 2004 @ 16:34 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
15608. Re: enclaves on stamps - struttin
       len these accounts & descriptions of supposed disappearances & reemergences of at least something or other & all your other exploits & suppositions & beliefs
       Sep 26, 2004 @ 16:36 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15609. Re: Timely article about IE (ROI?)-UK
       ... tendentious ... untrue ... necessarily ... are. Howeever, ... some ... relevant to ... aha & what was the topic at hand crime as i recall yes that was it
       Sep 26, 2004 @ 16:47 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15610. Re: dcmdvan & mdvawv retries continued
       further developments in the chase or chases an inconvenient but inescapable new fact has emerged the mdvawv latitude given at the corner corner would place the
       Sep 26, 2004 @ 18:38 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15611. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: dcmdvan & mdvawv retries continued
       There is an article on the survey of the VAWV boundary between Loudoun and Jefferson counties in PROFESSIONAL SURVEYOR magazine at
       Sep 26, 2004 @ 21:18 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15612. Re: dcmdvan & mdvawv retries continued
       yes kevins my man & tho i agree his excellent report does not directly address the question of the tripoint it certainly provides a new clue that could well
       Sep 26, 2004 @ 23:07 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15613. Re: enclaves on stamps - struttin
       ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avignon#Avignon_under_the_Popes & here is why http://www.ib.hu-berlin.de/~wumsta/Milkau/169-2.jpg yikes & this
       Sep 27, 2004 @ 00:28 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15614. Re: enclaves on stamps - struttin
       This is going to be a long to simmer back, burner kind of research. I ve only got my notes and some faded thremal paper photocopies... and I m not about to
       Sep 27, 2004 @ 02:26 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
15615. Re: enclaves on stamps - struttin
       ok arty pants convinced yet too catholic encyclopedia citing your own source to the contrary notwithstanding well then go for it or rather i mean sit on it ...
       Sep 27, 2004 @ 03:56 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15616. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: dcmdvan & mdvawv retries continued
       Please see my two insertions below. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: aletheiak To:
       Sep 27, 2004 @ 03:58 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15617. not really Re: enclaves on stamps
       whoah is right should we not think second dimension as much as first or zeroth & if not then why not the question if there really ever was a question is after
       Sep 27, 2004 @ 03:59 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15618. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: dcmdvan & mdvawv retries continued
       ... From: aletheiak To: Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 6:07 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: dcmdvan &
       Sep 27, 2004 @ 03:37 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15619. Re: dcmdvan & mdvawv retries continued
       ... continued ... the ... tripoint ... boundary ... my ... both ... off ... right but we need to know the actual bearing along this segment of the border which
       Sep 27, 2004 @ 04:03 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15620. Re: Enclaves in Ferghana Valley
       Chonkara (or Chongara) is the enclave in between Sokh and the Uzbek mainland. Tashdobo I don t know, but it could be the one close to the border, NNW of
       Sep 27, 2004 @ 09:01 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15621. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Enclaves in Ferghana Valley
       Hi, here are scans of Chongara and the other small one, but the second is not named with something similar to tashdobo. regards, chris ... From: Peter
       Sep 27, 2004 @ 09:47 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@gmx.de>)
15622. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Enclaves in Ferghana Valley
       I once found the names Qalacha and Khalmion for the tiny territories located north of Sokh and north-west of Shakhimardan respectively. Are these wrong or
       Sep 27, 2004 @ 09:52 - Rolf Palmberg (Rolf Palmberg <rpalmber@...>)
15623. Re: Enclaves in Ferghana Valley
       I really don t know. Rolf, what are your sources for these names? Chon-Kara (as it is spelled on the map - see Chris s message) is indeed the same enclave as
       Sep 27, 2004 @ 10:07 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15624. Re: asmara pouts & brussels sprouts for djeret
       our try is reported alive & living in the hague but the brussels sprouts could easily have been a chimera
       Sep 27, 2004 @ 12:00 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15625. greater bwzazw enshrined to wisdom & glory
       http://www.thestar.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=129&fArticleId=2239649 as in http://home.worldonline.dk/jesniel/border/african_tripoints.htm#bwzazw can anyone
       Sep 27, 2004 @ 12:29 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
15626. Re: Enclaves in Ferghana Valley
       ... Possibly this source: http://eng.gateway.kg/batken ? Peter
       Sep 27, 2004 @ 17:52 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15627. Last of Ireland pics
       Ok, attached is a 1:60000 topo map of the Drummully enclave area (sorry about spelling errors). The border is marked the same on the three spots we stopped at
       Sep 27, 2004 @ 22:56 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
15628. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Last of Ireland pics
       Hi Dallen, thank you for the pics, there is a third situation at Annaghray, south of the big enklave. On your map its between L43A, L43 C and L31. I marked
       Sep 28, 2004 @ 03:55 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
15629. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Enclaves in Ferghana Valley
       Yes Peter, I think you re right. I am bad at remembering my sources. Brendan Whyte (in his Esquimo) calls them (Western) Qalacha and Dzhangail respectively,
       Sep 28, 2004 @ 04:50 - Rolf Palmberg (Rolf Palmberg <rpalmber@...>)
15630. Re: greater bwzazw enshrined to wisdom & glory
       at last & following many previously elusive tries as well dating back to at least 5972 & 8532 bp the supposed confluence where the supposed tripoint lurks
       Sep 28, 2004 @ 13:39 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15631. Re: dcmdvan & mdvawv retries continued
       just got off the phone with kevin again & the vawv legal description is already on its way to cream hill & he too is now actively pondering the question of
       Sep 28, 2004 @ 15:37 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15632. yikes bdin looking like mr rogers neighborhood already namdc
       but for an understandable as well as very mild border crime hangover http://nation.ittefaq.com/artman/publish/article_12727.shtml yikes namdc no apparent
       Sep 28, 2004 @ 18:48 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15633. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Enclaves in Ferghana Valley
       Thanks for all your suggestions about this. I have now dropped some questions about this to the oxiana -group from where I found this report in the first
       Sep 28, 2004 @ 20:55 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
15634. Re: asmara pouts & brussels sprouts for djeret
       in yet another exclusive from khartoum axworthy is reported back in ababa for talks http://www.sudantribune.com/article.php3?id_article=5706 but will he even
       Sep 29, 2004 @ 03:24 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15635. Re: dcmdvan & mdvawv retries continued
       staggering news the vawv legal description which has just arrived by email & is nothing but a metes & bounds description of the survey indicates unquestionably
       Sep 29, 2004 @ 05:08 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15636. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Enclaves in Ferghana Valley
       Hi, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/9363 here peter told us about where to find barak. i add a little scan of the region. regards, chris
       Sep 29, 2004 @ 05:32 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@gmx.de>)
15637. Re: dcmdvan & mdvawv retries continued
       an unexpected bonus document entitled vawv boundary survey project report was also enclosed in the same email its introduction indicates the surveyor was
       Sep 29, 2004 @ 06:32 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15638. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Enclaves in Ferghana Valley
       Thanks. I browsed some of those messages from last year about Barak, I was part of the discussion myself. I have seen the map you posted. However it would be
       Sep 29, 2004 @ 15:26 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
15639. Re: asmara pouts & brussels sprouts for djeret
       all right south africa has chimed in this morning too so it is only a coexclusive now with axworthy in the role of bewildered insurance adjustor in ababa
       Sep 29, 2004 @ 16:49 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15640. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: dcmdvan & mdvawv retries continued
       For what it s worth, a metadata document dated February 10, 2000, from the Virginia Office of Mapping and Geographic Information is quoted on the Loudoun
       Sep 29, 2004 @ 16:42 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15641. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: dcmdvan & mdvawv retries continued
       After much searching, I have found many lay references to the mean low-water mark as the Potomac River boundary between Maryland and Virginia, but I have
       Sep 29, 2004 @ 18:44 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15642. Re: dcmdvan & mdvawv retries continued
       worth a good deal as probable source of the mysterious word m e a n in the legal description & for suggesting virginia state government as the metasource &
       Sep 29, 2004 @ 18:53 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15643. Re: dcmdvan & mdvawv retries continued
       yes & i think all these data only further substantiate an exclusively maritime application for the term mean low water mark & thus its utter confusion &
       Sep 29, 2004 @ 21:04 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15644. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: dcmdvan & mdvawv retries continued
       I agree with your judgment that the term mean is irrelevant at MDVAWV. Unless some legal basis emerges for the word mean, the notion likely comes from the
       Sep 29, 2004 @ 23:17 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15645. Re: dcmdvan & mdvawv retries continued
       ... MDVAWV. Unless ... likely comes from the ... The statute is ... those not. Had ... could have been ... commonly but not always or everywhere universally
       Sep 30, 2004 @ 15:27 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15646. mouse deal stalls again at 11th hour amid political uproar in oz
       http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,10932796%255E643,00.html http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3050319a6026,00.html
       Sep 30, 2004 @ 21:39 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
15647. mdvawv & dcmdvan implode a bit
       slightly unsettling news still no word from kevin but in the meantime subject to confirmation next week on the paper topo a measurement i just made at topozone
       Oct 01, 2004 @ 04:04 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15648. Re: dcmdvan & mdvawv retries continued
       & worth a good deal yet again in view of all the subsequent discoveries & revelations at least for laughs & yet maybe for the real tries too because the claim
       Oct 01, 2004 @ 21:53 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15649. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: dcmdvan & mdvawv retries continued
       ... ..but I should say that the Congress consented to the Black-Jenkins Award of 1877 on March 3, 1879. See http://www.virginiaplaces.org/pdf/mdvaappd.pdf .
       Oct 02, 2004 @ 00:15 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15650. Re: dcmdvan & mdvawv retries continued
       ... congress of ... oops then maybe i was moving too fast too what i meant was all of the 3 convergents to mdvawv all of which this vawv survey & its
       Oct 02, 2004 @ 01:16 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15651. china&india now friends forever across divided heaps of stones
       http://www.123bharath.com/news/index.php?action=fullnews&id=24838 the new acceptance by china of this formerly disputed cnin location very close to the indian
       Oct 02, 2004 @ 14:25 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
15652. former absk postal condo
       toward the bottom of http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20041002/ALBERTA02/TPNational/Canada can we get a cancellation on this
       Oct 02, 2004 @ 14:43 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
15653. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Last of Ireland pics
       Did the metal plates have any markings or inscriptions of any kind? Looks like on a few there were big X s. -Mike ... name=Ireland-NI-Border-012s.jpg ...
       Oct 02, 2004 @ 18:08 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15654. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Last of Ireland pics
       Yes, they have a double X on each one, I assume indicating that the borderline ran through the X s center crosspoint. Dallen ... From: Michael Kaufman
       Oct 02, 2004 @ 23:16 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
15655. Russian jurisdiction over Tajik border to Afghanistan.
       The following news from RFE/RL on September 27 and 30 tells about the status of the Tajik-Afghan border. Does this mean that Russia and Afghanistan share
       Oct 03, 2004 @ 10:21 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
15656. List of enclaves
       I don t know if this has been reported before but... At http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Enclave I found an interesting article/list of enclaves. It
       Oct 03, 2004 @ 11:07 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
15657. Re: Russian jurisdiction over Tajik border to Afghanistan.
       ... tells about the status of the Tajik-Afghan border. Does this mean that Russia and Afghanistan share border allthough they re not neighbours? hardly more
       Oct 03, 2004 @ 13:19 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15658. Re: List of enclaves
       nice to see them again but funny to find them still believing in discredited cia intelligence about the amaz claves well they can be forgiven since they
       Oct 03, 2004 @ 13:52 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15659. Forum notify
       
       Oct 03, 2004 @ 21:05 - Eefberns ("Eefberns" <eefberns@grenspalen.nl>)
15660. mdvawv & dcmdvan deliriums continued
       so lets say kevin never calls me back on this mdvawv question & i wouldnt blame him nor pursue him if he doesnt since this otherwise inconsequential lapse in
       Oct 03, 2004 @ 20:49 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15661. Border tourism conference, China, July 2005.
       http://www.geog.nau.edu/igust/China2005/index.html Dr Brendan Whyte Assistant Map Curator ERC Library University of Melbourne Vic 3010 AUSTRALIA
       Oct 04, 2004 @ 02:33 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
15662. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border tourism conference, China, July 2005.
       Who s going?! ... Doug ... ... ... A bad day in television is still better than a good day in a cubicle.
       Oct 04, 2004 @ 06:59 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
15663. Re: Border tourism conference, China, July 2005.
       not just going we should offer a trypointing seminar or even a border freaking & claving seminar but could we get our abstracts together by the march 15
       Oct 04, 2004 @ 12:50 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15664. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Border tourism conference, China, July 2005.
       I m attending as an invited keynote speaker, but I m not sure how interesting it ll be-a bunch of dry academics, most of whom don t know much about borders
       Oct 04, 2004 @ 17:28 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
15665. Re: [BoundaryPoint] More Ireland pics
       and the obvious http://www.writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/88/frost-mending.html ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail
       Oct 04, 2004 @ 19:53 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15666. Born Again Enclaves
       After a lapse of a few days, here, for your revived consideration, is a presentation of another enclave that went away and came back. you didn t like the
       Oct 05, 2004 @ 04:00 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
15667. Re: Born Again Enclaves
       ... is ... you ... one? ... officials ... as ... of ... Great ... Hsinan. ... of ... Balmoral) ... to ... inconsistent ... Kowloon ... to ... area ... provide
       Oct 05, 2004 @ 16:48 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15668. Re: More Ireland pics
       obvious since http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/15383 but something there is that likes your style
       Oct 05, 2004 @ 17:00 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15669. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: More Ireland pics
       hahaha yes positivity is a good thing ... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/15383 ...
       Oct 05, 2004 @ 19:12 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15670. Re: Born Again Enclaves
       There is no black and white - even Büsingen, a pure enclave/exclave if ever there was one was occupied during the aftermath of WWII, today it is under Swiss
       Oct 05, 2004 @ 23:38 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
15671. Feet in the USA. two of them
       Two definitions of a foot in the USA 1. standard ( international ) foot = 0.3048 meters 2. U.S. survey foot = 1200/3937 meters = 0.3048006096012 m
       Oct 06, 2004 @ 14:02 - Ron McConnell ("Ron McConnell" <rcmcc@...>)
15672. Re: Feet in the USA. two of them
       thanx this may explain part of the slight discrepancy i recently observed between the length of the vawv terminal segment as reported by the surveyor using
       Oct 06, 2004 @ 15:57 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15673. Re: More Ireland pics
       yes right on & so much so that i may even have to start signing my name again so people can tell us apart m
       Oct 06, 2004 @ 16:27 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15674. Re: Born Again Enclaves
       ... aha good point & even the amaz claves must have been permeable in some ways because even active military fronts are porous good point & clave borders are
       Oct 06, 2004 @ 17:00 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15675. Bangladesh pillar?
       ... No, I believe it is a road distance marker. At the NW corner of Bangladesh was a similar 2-sided stone with distances to Dhaka and the far SE point
       Oct 06, 2004 @ 23:12 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
15676. Cooch Behar
       ... Look at the compilation info in the bottom left: compiled form 1930s half-inch mapping (British). These maps did show more enclaves [The british mapped
       Oct 06, 2004 @ 23:22 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
15677. Cooch Behar
       ... Yes, some of them were. Esp around the easternmost of the three Bangladeshi prongs sticking north into India s chickenneck. This is confirmed by 1800s and
       Oct 06, 2004 @ 23:24 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
15678. Re: Feet in the USA. two of them
       ... aletheiak says, ...this may explain part of the slight discrepancy i recently observed between the length of the vawv terminal segment as reported by
       Oct 07, 2004 @ 13:48 - Ron McConnell ("Ron McConnell" <rcmcc@...>)
15679. spratly multidominium advanced
       http://publish.gio.gov.tw/FCJ/current/04100862.html & legalities are thought unlikely to come into play in creating it yikes
       Oct 07, 2004 @ 14:51 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15680. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Feet in the USA. two of them --> NIST error???
       http://ts.nist.gov/ts/htdocs/230/235/appxc/appxc.htm#1 Ok look at this: 2. TABLES OF U.S. UNITS OF MEASUREMENT In these tables where foot or mile is
       Oct 07, 2004 @ 20:19 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15681. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Feet in the USA. two of them --> NIST error???
       Try mixing US, English and metric as we do here in Canada! I think its on the citizenship test. Temperatures in celsius, body weight in pounds, height in feet
       Oct 07, 2004 @ 21:05 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
15682. Brendan's Big Book of Baarle
       My work on Baarle is now available for purchase (just in time for Christmas)! Whyte, B.R., (2004) En territoire Belge et a quarante centimetres de la
       Oct 08, 2004 @ 00:02 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
15683. Re: Feet in the USA. two of them --> NIST error???
       Michael Kaufman writes, ... Hmmmm... Looks like a fishy deal. At least we both seem to be seeing it the same way. Maybe you should drop them a note. Maybe
       Oct 08, 2004 @ 01:25 - Ron McConnell ("Ron McConnell" <rcmcc@...>)
15684. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Russian jurisdiction over Tajik border to Afghanistan.
       I heard this explained on TV back at the time of the Coalition war against the Taliban regime. It seems that Tajikistan had lacked the resources to guard its
       Oct 08, 2004 @ 02:05 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15685. Re: Russian jurisdiction over Tajik border to Afghanistan.
       The guarding of the Tajik-Afghan border by Russian border guards is in accordance with the Tajik-Russian treaty of May, 25, 1993, On Friendship, Co-operation,
       Oct 08, 2004 @ 08:47 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15686. cornwall plain ct
       down from cream hill this morning & out onto the trypointing arena again at last after a lull of many months am endeavoring for starters to catch & ride the
       Oct 08, 2004 @ 15:28 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15687. Film about Steinstücken
       http://www.rbb-online.de/_/fernsehen/teaser_jsp/key=teaser_1168088.html it will be on the 11.11.2004 at 01.10h (is this time a joke?) Regards, chris
       Oct 08, 2004 @ 15:35 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
15688. Israel-Egypt border post near Taba, Egypt (2001 file)
       ... A bad day in television is still better than a good day in a cubicle.
       Oct 08, 2004 @ 16:07 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
15689. port jervis ny
       couldnt blow thru here in full bliss without revisiting njnypa the access route thru the cemetery is completely paved & quite smooth now so you can really fly
       Oct 08, 2004 @ 19:37 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15690. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Film about Steinstücken
       I had a friend translate the listing for the film: Steinstuecken is an island that belonged West Berlin but was in the middle of the area of Potsdam - or
       Oct 08, 2004 @ 21:55 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
15691. Re: Film about Steinstücken
       Who will boradcast it? I gtet German TV here in Washington DC by sattelite, and ZDF is available on line. I ll tape it and distribute DvDs if someone can tell
       Oct 09, 2004 @ 00:58 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
15692. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Film about Steinstücken
       Hi, its called rbb, this is Radio Berlin Brandenburg. In Germany there is beside private TV-stations a network of state owned TV-/ Radio-stations. Every land
       Oct 09, 2004 @ 03:40 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
15693. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Feet in the USA. two of them --> NIST error???
       Sent them an email but haven t heard back as of yet. When they get back to me I ll let everybody know what they say. ...
       Oct 09, 2004 @ 06:00 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15694. frederick md
       fresh virgin multipoint today class a http://topozone.com/map.asp?lat=39.72417&lon=-77.47167 where the mason dixon line crosses the blue ridge tho i only just
       Oct 09, 2004 @ 16:04 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15695. Re: Born Again Enclaves
       & i think what you have proved in effect len by simply observing that there is neither clave black nor clave white but only a wide array of clave grays is that
       Oct 09, 2004 @ 16:55 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15696. Re: [BoundaryPoint] frederick md
       How do we know that the tripoint is correct and the topomap border/tripoint position is wrong (as opposed to the topo depicted tripoint being correct and the
       Oct 09, 2004 @ 19:20 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15697. Re: [BoundaryPoint] frederick md
       At http://tinyurl.com/5jpd4 there is an 18-page PDF of a technical study of water availability in the Monocacy River watershed, which lies east of the Blue
       Oct 09, 2004 @ 19:23 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15698. Full Page NY Times Spread Includes CT-NY-MA Marker
       The New York Times Travel Section on Friday, Oct. 8, devoted more than a full page to Connecticut s highest point Mount Frissell and the Taconic Trail. It
       Oct 09, 2004 @ 20:07 - Roger_Rowlett ("Roger_Rowlett" <roger.rowlett@...>)
15699. Re: Born Again Enclaves
       You are descending into a personal abyss. It s all very real - it only depends on who you are, on what side of the fence you sit and what your paradigm is. You
       Oct 10, 2004 @ 01:42 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
15700. Re: Film about Steinstücken
       Hi, Chris and thanks for the details. RBB offers to tape the sending for a fee - it is also doing a show on Dreilinden, which was the old autobahn crossing
       Oct 10, 2004 @ 01:52 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
15701. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Sastavci enclave
       Hm, maybe little old message from June 2004, but anyway interesting: http://www.tfeagle.army.mil/tfeno/Feature_Story.asp?Article=75444 regards, Chris ... From:
       Oct 10, 2004 @ 13:12 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
15702. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Sastavci enclave
       Interesting yes, though it s from January, not June. ... http://www.tfeagle.army.mil/tfeno/Feature_Story.asp?Article=75444 ... _______________________________
       Oct 11, 2004 @ 02:51 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15703. Re: [BoundaryPoint] frederick md
       In the map in the pdf - is the left edge of the purple area supposed to be the ridge? If it is it goes straight north. But the USGS ridge line and supposed
       Oct 11, 2004 @ 05:06 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15704. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Sastavci enclave
       Okay, i see, i thought it the way, dates are written in cental europe... thanks, regards, chris ... From: Michael Kaufman To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
       Oct 11, 2004 @ 05:09 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
15705. Update on MXUS rail tunnel fire
       You will find at http://www.sdrm.org/events/tecate/fire.html an update with photos of the aftermath of the September 13 fire that damaged the only
       Oct 11, 2004 @ 02:46 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15706. was Re: frederick md now shepherdstown wv
       yes the tripoint marker did very effectively announce itself as the mdpa3frfrwa tripoint by naming both maryland counties in full on their respective sides of
       Oct 11, 2004 @ 13:20 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15707. was Re: frederick md now martinsburg wv
       yes thanx & there are of course many slight divagations of the various state & county boundaries from the true blue ridge not only here around frfrwa the
       Oct 11, 2004 @ 14:44 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15708. Re: Full Page NY Times Spread Includes CT-NY-MA Marker
       welcome roger & thanx ctmany & the greater ctmany area must rank among the loveliest of our great american tristates & i say that not just because i live about
       Oct 11, 2004 @ 15:23 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15709. Re: Born Again Enclaves
       ... ahhh then please forgive me len as i hadnt meant to enter your inner space ... of ... where a ... to ... be recognized . ... Galloway, ... exactly ...
       Oct 11, 2004 @ 15:27 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15710. Re: [BoundaryPoint] frederick md
       The different colored areas of the PDF map (dark purple, green, yellow, blue) represent different geologies within the watershed. The light purple lines are
       Oct 11, 2004 @ 16:39 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15711. dcmdvan retried
       since mike whose idea it originally was had to postpone our dcmdvan try i too put it off mentally & headed directly for the blue ridge instead especially as
       Oct 11, 2004 @ 17:06 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15712. Re: [BoundaryPoint] frederick md
       I have finally found Mike s message from Shepherdstown quoting his round-topped rock. He is right, and the USGS is wrong. That s typical. Lowell G. McManus
       Oct 11, 2004 @ 17:07 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15713. Re: [BoundaryPoint] frederick md
       Yes that looks right. Even looking at the last 2 contours before the tripoint, the supposed county line does not even look perpendicular to those contours -
       Oct 11, 2004 @ 19:36 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15714. Re: dcmdvan retried
       adding to the bottom ... frederick ... dcmdvan ... hues ... places ... access ... from ... ok mike &al i see i will have to make a still longer story even
       Oct 11, 2004 @ 19:41 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15715. Re: [BoundaryPoint] KYTNVA was Re: frederick md now martinsburg wv
       What now about KYTNVA? Didn t we think the National Park Service screwed up (intentionally) in making the arrow heading west? Now maybe it is the USGS who
       Oct 11, 2004 @ 20:05 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@yahoo.com>)
15716. mdvawv retried too
       continuing yesterday after some much needed refreshment i headed immediately up to mdvawv where i recovered marker 30a again with no problem & tried to measure
       Oct 11, 2004 @ 20:16 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15717. DCMDVAN
       Congrats to Mike D. on his valiant effort in the wilds of the Potomac gorge. I look forward to joining him on another try after the vegetation dies off for the
       Oct 11, 2004 @ 20:36 - spookymike@aol.com (spookymike@...)
15718. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: dcmdvan retried
       It was owned by Alan I. Kay of the VA Commonwealth Transportation Board during the early to mid 1990s. http://tinyurl.com/5vf87 (Scroll halfway down the page
       Oct 11, 2004 @ 20:40 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15719. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: dcmdvan retried
       ... The Fairfax County Department of Tax Administration shows 700 Chain Bridge Road, McLean, belonging to William E. Conway, Jr. and Joanne B. [Barkett]
       Oct 11, 2004 @ 20:50 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15720. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Missing letters - mdvawv retried too
       In this message you write: a slightly ed corona bottle What is the adjective that ends in ed? this is how it looks in my email. (on the bp archive the
       Oct 11, 2004 @ 20:53 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15721. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: dcmdvan retried
       Do you know if this was the individual who purchased it in 1999 for $17.5 million? Can you tell from the records if there have been more additions or
       Oct 11, 2004 @ 21:24 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15722. Re: [BoundaryPoint] GSEBE: BGCSMK
       Attached 1:100 000 map Would the tp be at former BGYU marker #109? Jesper ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: doug@borderfilms.com ; Rolf Palmberg ; Peter Hering ;
       Oct 11, 2004 @ 21:46 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
15723. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BGCSRO map and perhaps photo?
       Topomap in any case. Jesper PS Funny direction of the BGRO if you can trust the map ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday,
       Oct 11, 2004 @ 21:53 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
15724. BGGRMK
       Nice chicken neck there. Jesper
       Oct 11, 2004 @ 21:59 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
15725. Re: Missing letters - mdvawv retried too
       back in martinsburg again now following an exciting vawv2beclfrje asterisk swim about which more below but your puzzle might be solved by a guard on this
       Oct 11, 2004 @ 23:30 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15726. Re: dcmdvan retried
       thank you all of you i am highly honored ... Chain Bridge Road, ... [Barkett] Conway. ... Group, a private ... lead equity ... investments, ... capital ...
       Oct 11, 2004 @ 23:31 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15727. Re: DCMDVAN
       hahahahaha & now that i know the way we could sneak in thru the front gate too if we felt happy enough ... Potomac gorge. ... dies off ... if we get ... book
       Oct 11, 2004 @ 23:36 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15728. KYTNVA was Re: frederick md now martinsburg wv
       good thinking & maybe someone can find evidence of this as we have for vawv3jelo & md3frwa for tho i am a little busy myself now i would be most interested in
       Oct 11, 2004 @ 23:46 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15729. Re: frederick md
       ... round-topped ... thanx very much for this pal & i was most interested in all your research but especially the part about trying to figure out how far north
       Oct 11, 2004 @ 23:54 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15730. Re: Missing letters - mdvawv retried too
       footnote to the asterisk http://topozone.com/map.asp?lat=39.26444&lon=-78.03333 & it was message 12317
       Oct 12, 2004 @ 00:06 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15731. Re: Missing letters - mdvawv retried too
       what 3 disappearing s from last year & btw i must have been right since the word i used to describe this guard was also erased by it but think tums backwards
       Oct 12, 2004 @ 00:23 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15732. Re: BGCSRO map and perhaps photo?
       ... help of course i dont trust the map but i dont get the joke yet either the dancers keep looking better tho i agree ... of Service.
       Oct 12, 2004 @ 00:32 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15733. Taba query
       This is slightly off topic but I thought this was the best place to ask the question. In the newspaper articles I read on the terrorist attacks, they always
       Oct 12, 2004 @ 01:04 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
15734. World Map Database
       This World Map Database (link below in message) was just announced on map_authors@yahoogroups.com and should be of interest to many in BoundaryPoint. It s
       Oct 12, 2004 @ 01:48 - Ron McConnell ("Ron McConnell" <rcmcc@...>)
15735. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Taba query
       If you will go to http://www.goredsea.com/EN_taba.aspx and click on the Street Map image toward the lower right, you will get a Macromedia Flash map of Taba.
       Oct 12, 2004 @ 04:03 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15736. Re: GSEBE: BGCSMK
       In an article on the extremal points of Bulgaria (BGn, BGw, etc.)(I posted it here before), it was said that the tripoint was located exactly at BGw (
       Oct 12, 2004 @ 06:57 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15737. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Taba query
       The northernmost hotel was Hotel Hilton in Taba (the former disputed area); the other two were in two different resorts further south, in Egyptian Sinai
       Oct 12, 2004 @ 07:06 - Rolf Palmberg (Rolf Palmberg <rpalmber@...>)
15738. Re: GSEBE: BGCSMK
       Also, for what it s worth, map24 confirms that the tripoint is near the area of markers 106 and 107, rather than near marker 109 (I m a bit surprised to see
       Oct 12, 2004 @ 07:19 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15739. ALCSMK
       http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/EART/albania/50k/11-34-78-1.jpg Marker no. 24, at 2095.0 m. a.s.l. (Albanian name: Keulja-e-Priftit (I think); a border guard
       Oct 12, 2004 @ 08:00 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15740. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Taba query
       The Taba Hilton is in the formerly disputed area. If it weren t for the hotel (which used to be the Sonesta), the issue would have been resolved much sooner.
       Oct 12, 2004 @ 09:25 - Asher Samuels (Asher Samuels <asher972@...>)
15741. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Taba query
       Are you sure that the Taba Hilton used to be the Sonesta? Sonesta still has a resort there. See http://www.sonesta.com/egypt_taba/ . Did they sell the one
       Oct 12, 2004 @ 13:31 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15742. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Taba query
       I double-checked the info. The Hilton used to be the Aviya Sonesta hotel. It seems that the new Sonesta is a newer hotel. Asher ...
       Oct 12, 2004 @ 15:23 - Asher Samuels (Asher Samuels <asher972@...>)
15743. winchester va
       ok new state town library & computer so i assume i can now reveal the answers to the previous quiz were cracked prickers & smut guard & in the interval i
       Oct 12, 2004 @ 17:51 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15744. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Taba query
       Bridges list - do you mean on IE-UK only? ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish.
       Oct 12, 2004 @ 19:12 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15745. Re: [BoundaryPoint] winchester va
       Good to see you are at a free computer. I have not heard of this smutguard type of thing before. But now I can understand the three missing coeds. (If the
       Oct 12, 2004 @ 19:56 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15746. Re: [BoundaryPoint] winchester va
       Sorry couldn t resist :) Really though the three missing coeds were in message 12424. 1st in your message, second in my message you were replying to, 3rd in
       Oct 12, 2004 @ 20:05 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15747. front royal va
       all faculties presumably working here now mike but the 3 missing coeds are still barely escaping me also ever since winchester i have been devoting myself in
       Oct 12, 2004 @ 20:57 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15748. Re: [BoundaryPoint] winchester va
       LOL! Can t you just imagine a committee of feminist librarians sitting around trying to compile a list of disfavored words to ban from their computers!
       Oct 12, 2004 @ 21:01 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15749. Re: [BoundaryPoint] front royal va
       Mike, USGS maps show scattered dwellings within .4 mi. of the Clarke-Fauquier-Warren tripoint. According to Microsoft Streets and Trips, they are on roads
       Oct 12, 2004 @ 22:11 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15750. Re: front royal va
       good thanx & i have also since learned by trial & error & lots of needless wrong turns etc that my impasse at interstate 66 was purely imaginary since a
       Oct 12, 2004 @ 23:44 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15751. Re: Born Again Enclaves
       There s room for more than one down here. Welcome. LN
       Oct 13, 2004 @ 04:43 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
15752. BM Ridge
       Read Mike Donner s report of his search for BM Ridge with interest. I visited BM Ridge, in my quest to reach the Morgan County WV highpoint, back in 2000.
       Oct 13, 2004 @ 07:55 - spookymike@aol.com (spookymike@...)
15753. Re: front royal va
       daybreak & i was already on the fire trail & soon pulled in at the right parking area i thought it was still in warren county where it says overlook on the
       Oct 13, 2004 @ 16:08 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15754. Re: front royal va
       remained lost & quite puzzled for a long time made a few tries & probes since i was only a couple hundred yards from civilization then finally had to ask my
       Oct 13, 2004 @ 16:58 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15755. Re: front royal va
       back in front royal yet again so i will keep stacking on the same message but have already bagged the 6th straight pearl again not far away namely farawa or
       Oct 13, 2004 @ 19:15 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15756. Re: BM Ridge
       ... interest. I ... highpoint, back in 2000. ... website ... into the ... park, bear left ... bear left ... drive a decent ... the two ... heading north. ...
       Oct 13, 2004 @ 19:32 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15757. Re: winchester va
       yes i am titillated by all this too oops can i say that in virginia but it is good to know that such filters & guards are even available for what if someone
       Oct 13, 2004 @ 20:02 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15758. Re: BM Ridge
       ... wrote:
       Oct 13, 2004 @ 20:59 - nj55er ("nj55er" <spookymike@...>)
15759. VA Tri-County Points and County Highpoints
       For Mike Donner: I missed your message, I believe when I went outside to retrieve empty garbage pails. Here s some info on the county tripoint you just
       Oct 14, 2004 @ 15:58 - spookymike@aol.com (spookymike@...)
15760. Re: BM Ridge
       ahhh thanx & even tho the boulder cairn top marks the morgan county highpoint that you were seeking what i was actually seeking if we can believe the usgs topo
       Oct 14, 2004 @ 16:15 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15761. Re: VA Tri-County Points and County Highpoints
       please look for inserts ... outside to ... as some ... your ... 3440+ ft. aha yesss but which of the 3 tits ... marked ... Skyline ... on the ... yup been
       Oct 14, 2004 @ 16:25 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15762. Berlin map
       I and others have asked for Berlin maps showing both wall and border. I have found one in the book Die Berliner Mauer by Thomas Flemming. See attachment for
       Oct 14, 2004 @ 18:19 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
15763. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Berlin map
       Great map. It would be nice to see all of Berlin. ... A bad day in television is still better than a good day in a cubicle.
       Oct 14, 2004 @ 18:33 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
15764. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Berlin map
       ... What is the black line east of the Pariser Platz? It is *not* the wall, the Pariser Platz was only barred from the east, the wall, of course was west of
       Oct 14, 2004 @ 18:49 - Manfred Haertel, DB3HM ("Manfred Haertel, DB3HM" <Manfred.Haertel@...>)
15765. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Berlin map
       Is that not the internal wall... where there was either a second wall or an area that was restricted. As I recall the Brandenburger Tor was off limits to
       Oct 14, 2004 @ 19:59 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
15766. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Berlin map
       GSZ: Grenzsicherungszaun HSiM: Hinterlandssicherungsmauer ... From: Manfred Haertel, DB3HM To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004
       Oct 14, 2004 @ 20:31 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15767. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Berlin map
       Are we here http://www.wall-berlin.org/cadre/chine11.jpg looking from west into east? How far could the easterners get to the tor? Jesper ... From: Manfred
       Oct 14, 2004 @ 20:36 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15768. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Berlin map
       ... Yes, absolutely. ... They could get to where the black line east of the Pariser Platz is on your excellent map. Your are right in naming it the
       Oct 14, 2004 @ 21:19 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@yahoo.com>)
15769. harrisonburg va Re: VA Tri-County Points and County Highpoints
       ... well ... on ... bump, ... ridge, ... the ... directly ... SSW ... at ... cairn ... & i did indeed try it next scouring the ridge for a hundred yards in
       Oct 14, 2004 @ 22:08 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15770. Re: Berlin map
       ... wrote: (...) ... (...) The three are at http://www.dailysoft.com/berlinwall/maps/index_de.htm (last three maps) Peter
       Oct 15, 2004 @ 08:45 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15771. OH Quadricounty Point
       I visited the Hancock-Henry-Putnam-Wood OH quadripoint on 9/13/04. This a four-way junction of country roads, with the Oakdale Church at the NE corner. I
       Oct 15, 2004 @ 12:22 - spookymike@aol.com (spookymike@...)
15772. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Berlin map
       Are there any pictures of the famous DDR triangles that was left on the western side of the wall? http://www.dailysoft.com/berlinwall/maps/berlinkarten_04.htm
       Oct 15, 2004 @ 17:08 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15773. Re: Berlin map
       On the Lenné triangle: http://www.pohl-projekt.de/G_M_L/g_m_lenne001.htm I would like to see some pictures of the vegetable garden of Osman Kalin behind St.
       Oct 15, 2004 @ 17:26 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15774. harrisonburg va still
       just reprovisioning & relaxing etc in this good old town while the weather clears but i cant help noticing there are still 3 more pearls to be had up on the
       Oct 15, 2004 @ 17:49 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15775. Re: frederick md
       ... yellow, blue) ... purple lines are ... watershed. ... The map shows ... deviates eastward ... state boundary. ... into ... state boundary, ... boundary.
       Oct 15, 2004 @ 18:10 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15776. Re: OH Quadricounty Point
       hard to tell the true location of such a megapoint from the topo i mean even if we could trust the topo it could well be at the road centerline crossing but it
       Oct 15, 2004 @ 20:47 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15777. Re: OH Quadricounty Point
       ... state (Mike S.): Here s my report from the visit to the other OH 4-county point: Ohio Four Corners, Cuyahoga/Geauga/Portage/Summit Counties 8/18/00 From
       Oct 16, 2004 @ 00:07 - nj55er ("nj55er" <spookymike@...>)
15778. Re: [BoundaryPoint] harrisonburg va still
       Mike, I think the biggest reason for the lack of marked tripoints up there on the ridge is probably the prevalence of federal and state land ownership. This
       Oct 16, 2004 @ 03:33 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15779. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: frederick md
       Encarta Encyclopedia says of the Blue Ridge: The northern terminus of the range is generally defined as a point near Harpers Ferry, West Virginia, but some
       Oct 16, 2004 @ 04:16 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15780. staunton va
       thanxx lowell & extreme congrats mike am on a timed computer or would add detail more later for that the 11th pearl algrro was easily the best so far there was
       Oct 16, 2004 @ 16:07 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15781. Cooch Behar
       http://www.telegraphindia.com/1040920/asp/bengal/story_3779565.asp
       Oct 16, 2004 @ 18:33 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15782. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Berlin map
       Ok so if looking at the wall, we look from West to East...and I am assuming the metal fence marks the approximate border. So these pics are on the West side
       Oct 16, 2004 @ 22:20 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15783. neutral zone
       According to current US Joint Operations Graphics maps, the division of the Neutral zone between Iraq and Saudi Arabia was not ,as might be expected, along its
       Oct 17, 2004 @ 02:01 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
15784. Re: [BoundaryPoint] neutral zone
       Do we know if the Western terminal point of this 1981 Saudi-Iraq boundary segment goes from the former Saudi-Iraqi-Neutral West tripoint? Or could it be off
       Oct 17, 2004 @ 06:50 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15785. Re: Berlin map
       The story in English is told at http://www.berlintoronto.com/maindirectory.htm (search for Wolfgang Ritter). Peter
       Oct 17, 2004 @ 10:42 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15786. GTHNSV map
       http://www.oas.org/usde/publications/Unit/oea13s/p25.GIF
       Oct 17, 2004 @ 17:50 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15787. Re: [BoundaryPoint] GTHNSV map
       Thanks! I am searching too... ... A bad day in television is still better than a good day in a cubicle.
       Oct 17, 2004 @ 18:16 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
15788. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Berlin map
       Great story! Thanks, Peter! Doug ... ... ... A bad day in television is still better than a good day in a cubicle.
       Oct 17, 2004 @ 18:39 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
15789. now salem va Re: harrisonburg va still
       ... there on the ... ownership. This ... and their ... taxes. That s ... i share this good thought & theory which is supported by the findings of county line
       Oct 17, 2004 @ 18:48 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15790. Re: OH Quadricounty Point
       ... crossings ... of ... got ... i believe 20 of the 50 states have no quadricounty points at all or rather no tertiary megapoints as in message 547 which
       Oct 17, 2004 @ 19:37 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15791. Re: GTHNSV map
       ... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/11045 when you nearly blobbed north america & in which nearly all the important links are still alive
       Oct 17, 2004 @ 20:01 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15792. Re: neutral zone
       we dont & wont know til we see the next map to the west of this one assuming seeing a map equates to knowing hahahaha but if you can extend all 3 lines to the
       Oct 17, 2004 @ 20:31 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15793. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Berlin map
       Cool! Thanks. Good find. -Mike ... http://www.stthomas-berlin.de/bilder/images/003-kircheMauer.jpg ...
       Oct 17, 2004 @ 20:37 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15794. Re: Berlin map
       Some time ago, I copied some stories on the Lenné triangle from the internet. All those links are dead now, but I have translated one of those stories into
       Oct 18, 2004 @ 13:42 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15795. salem va still
       well it turns out i just got an email from jc on cream hill saying kevin the mdvawv surveyor has been trying to phone me back along with some groovy sounding
       Oct 18, 2004 @ 14:27 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15796. Re: Berlin map
       what a prodigious lot of bittersweet work by you peter i trust you are fine anyway do take care tho as our amplifiers & reflectors are set on high here you
       Oct 18, 2004 @ 15:05 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15797. wishing you all well from tazewell va
       what do i mean by that http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=taze & well is well make no mistake & you probably already know where i am headed with
       Oct 19, 2004 @ 20:57 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15798. actually tazewell rhymes with dazzle
       this & many other lovelies emerged last night as i checked into their unique local pub here expressly in order to marvel at the redsox one more time &
       Oct 20, 2004 @ 14:52 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15799. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Berlin map
       ... The original page can still be read at . -Pepijn
       Oct 20, 2004 @ 18:24 - Pepijn Hendriks ("Pepijn Hendriks" <yahoo@...>)
15800. LLivia
       http://www.amigosdelciclismo.com/rutas/catalunya/girona/llivia/home.htm
       Oct 20, 2004 @ 19:31 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15801. Spain in Africa
       Attached scan from ES atlas of Spanish territories in Africa. Scale 1:100 000. Note buildings or villages in the Neutral Zone. As a side note, the atlas showed
       Oct 20, 2004 @ 19:44 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
15802. the southernmost point of west virginia aka wvs tried today
       http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=17&n=4117447&e=439800&datum=nad83 it didnt require a multipoint nor even a living clave or dead wall of any kind to get me
       Oct 20, 2004 @ 20:50 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15803. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Berlin map
       Are you sure the link is correct? - I can not get it to work even after adding in the stuff from the second line. ...
       Oct 20, 2004 @ 22:46 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15804. Re: [BoundaryPoint] the southernmost point of west virginia aka wvs tried today
       This jpg is not working for me. Maybe it is my internet? But things seem two be working fine except for two links - this one and the last one I sent about.
       Oct 20, 2004 @ 22:58 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15805. Re: [BoundaryPoint] the southernmost point of west virginia aka wvs tried today
       Earlier today, the URL came up empty, even when properly pasted together. Now, however, it s working for me. Here s a TinyURL for it:
       Oct 20, 2004 @ 23:32 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15806. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Berlin map
       Works for me. Jesper ... Are you sure the link is correct? - I can not get it to work even after adding in the stuff from the second line. ...
       Oct 21, 2004 @ 06:39 - jesniel@image.dk (jesniel@...)
15807. Re: Berlin map
       Mike, what you do is you go to http://www.archive.org/ and enter the dead link there. If you are lucky (and in this particular case, you are:-)), they keep a
       Oct 21, 2004 @ 08:38 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15808. The clocks of Baarle
       A comment from a purchaser of my Baarle book raises a point I had not ... So, does anyone know if Baarle operated under Belgian or Dutch time before the Second
       Oct 21, 2004 @ 08:38 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
15809. kzuz & cnvn
       http://english1.people.com.cn/200410/09/eng20041009_159438.html http://www.inform.kz/txt/showarticle.php?lang=eng&id=95077 ... Startuj z INTERIA.PL!!!
       Oct 21, 2004 @ 09:39 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@...>)
15810. Re: The clocks of Baarle
       ... not ... time. ... called Amsterdam ... may have ... (Societe ... Baarle, ... 20 ... the ... before ... Probably Belgian time in Baarle-Hertog, and Dutch
       Oct 21, 2004 @ 09:40 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15811. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Berlin map
       6149_lese.htm you need to add this, then it will work, regards, chris ... From: Peter Smaardijk To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 21,
       Oct 21, 2004 @ 10:37 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
15812. lebanon va
       kytnva is again the earnest trajectory du jour in morning fog it remains a question tho whether slippery leaves over mud will complicate the sometimes diagonal
       Oct 21, 2004 @ 14:33 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15813. big stone gap va
       ron in august ... & conversely i had to actually come here one day too but it looks like the music festival may have already been october 9 marching bands if
       Oct 21, 2004 @ 17:19 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15814. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: The clocks of Baarle
       Hi Peter, thats reallly nice, would be interesting to find something about alexotas bridge in kaunas, that crosses the nemunas / njemen river, that was from
       Oct 21, 2004 @ 17:44 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
15815. pennington gap va
       just jotting a jot & penning an ounce to express the gap as fully as possible here but for a while there i was beginning to think my recent wvs visit actually
       Oct 21, 2004 @ 18:33 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15816. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Berlin map
       Yes it is working today, but did not work for me yesterday when I tried it a couple of times. ...
       Oct 21, 2004 @ 20:09 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15817. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Berlin map
       Yep - got it. And thanks for the translation of this! What is the area like today? -Mike ...
       Oct 21, 2004 @ 20:15 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15818. harrogate tn
       tried valiantly to fall asleep with my head pillowed on kytnva & spine along tnva for 3 hours this afternoon during my favorite nap time yet too figuring
       Oct 22, 2004 @ 00:27 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15819. the bridge of a fortnight
       ... that crosses the nemunas / njemen river, that was from the third division of poland not only the german-russian border until world war I, but also the
       Oct 22, 2004 @ 00:37 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
15820. Re: [BoundaryPoint] harrogate tn
       The 1903 doings of the Supremes were in Tennessee v. Virginia at 190 U.S. 64 ( http://tinyurl.com/4wx86 ). The decree confirms a remarking of the 1802 survey
       Oct 22, 2004 @ 04:58 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15821. Sharing this with you at BoundaryPoint, amazing weightloss product
       EAT WHAT YOU WANT! LOSE WEIGHT SAFE AND FAST! NO EXERCISE - NO DANGEROUS DIETS - NO DRUGS! 100% Natural and Maximum Strength Fat Binder!!! Fatblast X-treme is
       Oct 22, 2004 @ 07:26 - 40KilosLighter (40KilosLighter <gilberto.staunton4174@...>)
15822. Re: Berlin map
       Beyond recognition, is all I can say. It has become part of the huge Potsdamer Platzurban development area. Lots of high rise buildings.
       Oct 22, 2004 @ 08:11 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15823. Re: harrogate tn
       thanx & i had a feeling you would find it by the time i could get back to this computer in the morning but was mistaken to expect it to shed light on kyva &or
       Oct 22, 2004 @ 16:03 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15824. mdvawv busted again
       finally managed to reach kevin vaughn the vawv3jelo surveyor for my mdvawv followup question & since he couldnt qualify his specific water mark & vawv terminal
       Oct 22, 2004 @ 16:56 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15825. Re: [BoundaryPoint] mdvawv busted again
       Boundary Pointers obviously care more about the precise location of MDVAWV than do Maryland, Virginia, or West Virginia. Since there s no taxable property
       Oct 22, 2004 @ 18:10 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15826. somerset ky Re: [BoundaryPoint] mdvawv busted again
       Lowell G. McManus wrote: (I m not suggesting anything, Mike! LOL) thanx for all your other input lowell & i am suggesting as i
       Oct 22, 2004 @ 21:45 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
15827. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: OH Quadricounty Point
       Re Michael s comment regarding Ohio quad county points, there is an additional quad point that Ohio shares with Indiana. Butler - Hamilton counties in OH and
       Oct 23, 2004 @ 00:09 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
15828. campbellsville ky Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: OH Quadricounty Point
       bravo jack & all the best in your new reality & when you do get the chance i would love to try to assemble all the probable interstate quadricounty points &
       Oct 23, 2004 @ 13:45 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
15829. hodgenville was campbellsville ky Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: OH Quadricounty Point
       well on further reflection i am not sure they are all rounded up yet it is possible that a cleanup & assemblage of the data in messages 547 8651 8655 8659 8660
       Oct 23, 2004 @ 15:44 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15830. Re: campbellsville ky Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: OH Quadricounty Point
       ... This is a very interesting project! A quick look shows that my own state has only one intrastate quadriparish point (in western Lake Pontchartrain), but,
       Oct 23, 2004 @ 17:00 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@msn.com>)
15831. Re: hodgenville was campbellsville ky Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: OH Quadricounty Point
       Wow! I didn t realize that the work, or so much of it, was already done. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: aletheiak
       Oct 23, 2004 @ 17:18 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15832. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Digest Number 1588
       In a message dated 10/23/04 2:41:54 PM, Jack Parsell writes:
       Oct 23, 2004 @ 19:07 - spookymike@aol.com (spookymike@...)
15833. Re: hodgenville was campbellsville ky Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: OH Quadricounty Point
       After reviewing the messages listed in the message below, I should explain why I discount the quadripoint supposedly formed by Bossier and Caddo Parishes,
       Oct 23, 2004 @ 21:26 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@msn.com>)
15834. mt carmel illinois Re: hodgenville was campbellsville ky Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: OH Quadricounty Point
       nice going on all counts lowell & this is why i have been thinking of all the supposed & proposed megapoints as probabilities so far rather than confirmed
       Oct 23, 2004 @ 22:18 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
15835. Texas county quadripoints
       Mike D.: I decided to perform an experiment by independently evaluating Texas for county quadripoints. I have consulted a number of detailed map sources and
       Oct 24, 2004 @ 02:53 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@msn.com>)
15836. Odd boundary alignment through Jefferson County airport splits jurisdictions, hangars
       Why doesn t this show on topozone? http://www.peninsuladailynews.com/sited/story/html/176301 Jesper
       Oct 24, 2004 @ 09:10 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15838. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cooch Behar
       More stories http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=608161§ion=news ... From: Jesper Nielsen To:
       Oct 24, 2004 @ 10:41 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15839. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Odd boundary alignment through Jefferson County airport splits jurisdictions, hangars
       The USGS topo maps don t show the boundaries of such relatively insignificant and changeable entities as fire districts, school districts, road districts,
       Oct 24, 2004 @ 14:18 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15840. mt vernon il Re: Texas county quadripoints
       beautifully done maestro nor can i account for any of my data in message 547 at this point but i trust & salute all your obviously more advanced results here &
       Oct 24, 2004 @ 20:13 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15841. Fw: AFCNPK photo
       A visitor to Borderbase has just supplied me with this scan of AFCNPK. The place looks very remote
       Oct 24, 2004 @ 21:19 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
15842. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fw: AFCNPK photo
       Perhaps it is not the real tripoint. I would think it would be 1 (or a really high number) if it were. Any agreements/treaties found? ...
       Oct 24, 2004 @ 21:35 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15843. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fw: AFCNPK photo
       The pass must be Chillinji Pass which is further west, and it may be AFPK marker 2. Jesper ... From: Michael Kaufman To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent:
       Oct 24, 2004 @ 21:41 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15844. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fw: AFCNPK photo
       ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 11:41 PM Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fw: AFCNPK photo The pass must
       Oct 24, 2004 @ 21:48 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
15845. Re: [BoundaryPoint] mt vernon il Re: Texas county quadripoints
       When I checked TX a couple of years ago for quad-counties I came up with 33 dry and 1 wet. Haven t gotten as far as the T s on a recheck but will try to get
       Oct 25, 2004 @ 02:13 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
15846. Re: [BoundaryPoint] mt vernon il Re: Texas county quadripoints
       Jack, Just let us know when you get to the T s. I have a fair number of Texas maps and other resources in my personal collection. Obviously, you have one
       Oct 25, 2004 @ 02:37 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15847. nashville il
       just to add a cherry to the top of my confusion sunday while being ushered out of the library in mt vernon after the previous garbled post i noticed on the
       Oct 25, 2004 @ 17:44 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15848. Re: Fw: AFCNPK photo
       are you sure the tripoint you are just missing there isnt afcntj rather than afcnpk because our old friend povalo shveikovski on the map you flashed has been
       Oct 25, 2004 @ 18:11 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15849. mt vernon il Re: Texas county quadripoints
       possibly jacks total count of 34 & my total count of 33 may indicate that your total count of 32 misses 1 or 2 which however doesnt address the question of
       Oct 25, 2004 @ 18:28 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15850. Re: Fw: AFCNPK photo
       ... has ... & ... oops forget this part as i just realized it is wrong but i think the previous part is still intact ... 102.jpg ... -- ... Terms
       Oct 25, 2004 @ 18:33 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15851. Re: Fw: AFCNPK photo
       whooops now i see 2 tripoints on the 1 map so please forget everything ... pakistan ... it ... --
       Oct 25, 2004 @ 18:45 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15852. waterloo il
       visited the kaskaskia fragment of illinois on the west bank of the mississippi this afternoon to get the whole picture order it up at topozone & then zoom out
       Oct 26, 2004 @ 00:18 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15853. Radio Monte Carlo enclave
       Hi, does anyone know about better maps, that show the exclave/enclave of radio monte carlo close to Roumoules? I add a scan, where one can see a mark of the
       Oct 26, 2004 @ 09:54 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@gmx.de>)
15854. Re: Radio Monte Carlo enclave
       I don t, but I wouldn t call this an exclave/enclave. This is on French soil. RMC used to be the national radio of Monaco, but nowadays it is privatised
       Oct 26, 2004 @ 10:51 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15855. Re: Radio Monte Carlo enclave
       I was not entirely accurate. The true facts: http://tdfint.iside.net/article/articleview/2277/1/1589/ Peter
       Oct 26, 2004 @ 11:01 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15856. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Radio Monte Carlo enclave
       Hi Peter, i found it on wikipedia. they call it an enclave, so i did. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roumoules thanks for your advice, chris ... From: Peter
       Oct 26, 2004 @ 11:05 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
15857. Re: Radio Monte Carlo enclave
       I like Wikipedia too, but it has its dangers. Quality control seems not fully developed. They acknowledge this themselves:
       Oct 26, 2004 @ 11:13 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15858. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Radio Monte Carlo enclave
       Hello, I am new to the group. En/exclaves are territories owned by another country in the sense that they form part of the parent state territory. Otherwise
       Oct 26, 2004 @ 13:11 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
15859. Re: Radio Monte Carlo enclave
       Hi Wolfgang, ... another ... territory. ... are ... Castelgandolfo ... d Auvergne owned ... MONT AGEL ... Yes, but the owner of the transmission centres is
       Oct 26, 2004 @ 13:23 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15860. extraterritoriality
       I beg to differ from Wolfgang s defininition of eytraterritoriality. A distinction has to be made between sovereignty over territory (which is a matter of
       Oct 26, 2004 @ 14:30 - Joachim Duester ("Joachim Duester" <jduester@...>)
15861. Re: extraterritoriality
       OK, thanks. So what _is_ extraterritoriality exactly, and where can it be found (the various Vatican buildings in and around Rome, probably - but are there
       Oct 26, 2004 @ 14:42 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15862. Re: extraterritoriality
       I would have preferred to check a legal dictionary first, but off-hand I would define I would define extraterritoriality as the state of being exempt from
       Oct 26, 2004 @ 15:17 - Joachim Duester ("Joachim Duester" <jduester@...>)
15863. Re: extraterritoriality
       thank you very much indeed joachim & what a relief to learn at length that this entire topic which we have tried so hard to understand for so long is basically
       Oct 26, 2004 @ 15:49 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15864. AW: [BoundaryPoint] extraterritoriality
       Aha. Always ready to learn something new. Joachim, can you then please give examples of extraterritorial pieces of land, say, somewhere in Europe? And examples
       Oct 26, 2004 @ 15:56 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
15865. Re: [BoundaryPoint] extraterritoriality
       I agree. Sometimes small diplomatic missions do not even have grounds, but are merely rooms or suites of rooms rented on the upper floors of commercial
       Oct 26, 2004 @ 15:55 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15866. Re: extraterritoriality
       yes & it sounds like all of these are again not really cases of extraterritoriality whatever that word is supposed to mean but rather individual & very
       Oct 26, 2004 @ 16:07 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15867. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Radio Monte Carlo enclave
       Many national radio services operate transmitters on foreign soil in order to better cover the world. None of this implies enclaves or extraterritoriality.
       Oct 26, 2004 @ 16:22 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15868. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: extraterritoriality
       What about SMOM in Rome? regards, Chris ... From: Peter Smaardijk To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 4:42 PM Subject:
       Oct 26, 2004 @ 16:44 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
15869. Re: extraterritoriality
       Lowell G McManus has given some examples (Guantanamo Bay Naval Station in Cuba and the former Canal Zone in Panama, and many of the non-domestic military
       Oct 26, 2004 @ 17:31 - Joachim Duester ("Joachim Duester" <jduester@...>)
15870. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Radio Monte Carlo enclave
       ... Of course the only remedy for incorrect information in Wikipedia (in any language) is to correct such information whenever you happen to stumble across
       Oct 26, 2004 @ 17:37 - Pepijn Hendriks ("Pepijn Hendriks" <yahoo@...>)
15871. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: extraterritoriality
       Apart from leased military bases and other facilities, extraterritoriality has little to do with territory (else it would be territoriality), but rather with
       Oct 26, 2004 @ 17:46 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15872. Re: extraterritoriality
       ... wrote: (...) ... sense ... outdated ... Yes, that may be true, but the term extraterritoriality is still used nowadays in contexts that do
       Oct 26, 2004 @ 18:13 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15873. Re: extraterritoriality
       ... more ... to ... law ... all ... could ... to ... entities ... current ... aha exactly ... aha exactly ... aha exactly yet again whereby heads of state, ...
       Oct 26, 2004 @ 18:46 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15874. Re: extraterritoriality
       so i think it is time we recognized that guantanamo isnt really extraterritorial territory of the usa but normal territorial territory of the usa & no matter
       Oct 26, 2004 @ 18:56 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15875. Re: extraterritoriality
       ... used ... that ... the ... well the particular form of leverage that the vatican appears to enjoy over italy may indeed be the only remaining sense in which
       Oct 26, 2004 @ 19:21 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15876. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: extraterritoriality
       Regardless of what kind of US jurisdiction applies there, both the USA and Cuba consider Guantanamo to be Cuban sovereign territory, and the US Treasury
       Oct 26, 2004 @ 19:49 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15877. Once again: Extraterritoriality
       Dear fans of nonsense, somehow I feel sorry for having stirred you up with the discussion on extraterritoriality . Has anybody of you already put an eye on
       Oct 26, 2004 @ 19:54 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
15878. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: extraterritoriality
       SMOM, to my knowledge and my interpretation, is fiction. It is the representation of a government that no longer exists since Napoleon has expelled it from
       Oct 26, 2004 @ 19:55 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
15879. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: extraterritoriality
       SMOM has nothing to do with the modern state of Malta. It has not been a sovereign state for ages, but it is recognized as a sovereign non-state entity
       Oct 26, 2004 @ 21:48 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15880. st louis mo
       finally found the mouth of the big mo at ilmo3mascsl ok the tricounty point of madison il & sts charles & louis mo a good clean class d at a few hundred feet
       Oct 27, 2004 @ 00:02 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15881. Extraterritoriality
       I think this has to be considered in a different light - under the concept of shared sovereignty. There are shades of sharing. The most perfect example of
       Oct 27, 2004 @ 01:17 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
15882. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: extraterritoriality
       Hi, the difference between SMOM and Seborga in my opinion is, that the extraterritorial rights of the buildings of SMOM in Via Condotti and Piazza dei
       Oct 27, 2004 @ 03:24 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
15883. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: extraterritoriality
       Hi, Seborga to my knowledge is not accepted as an nation or country by any other nation worldwide, although they can show, that according to treaties they
       Oct 27, 2004 @ 03:58 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
15884. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: extraterritoriality
       Hi, as to boundaries of the Principality of Seborga , the only semi-useful map I could retrieve so far was the one exhibited at the entrance to the village.
       Oct 27, 2004 @ 06:51 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
15885. What is EU??
       Did I send this link before? http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Special_member_state_territories_and_their_relations_with_the_EU Jesper
       Oct 27, 2004 @ 09:32 - jesniel@image.dk (jesniel@...)
15886. Book about Berlin Wall on Ebay Germany
       http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2278102852&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT Hi, for those of you, who are interested in the early times of the
       Oct 27, 2004 @ 13:04 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
15887. Re: extraterritoriality
       no need to put too fine a point on the fictitious concept of sovereignty nor the even more fictitious concept of extraterritoriality whether at guantanamo or
       Oct 27, 2004 @ 17:21 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15888. snuck in
       dont know if you saw me just miss catching a foul ball behind the redsox dugout last night but after watching 8 innings of the game on a tv in a very sedate
       Oct 27, 2004 @ 17:36 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15889. Re: [BoundaryPoint] snuck in
       Bring a bp sign or somesuch with you Triplet might be hard - plate, mound, but how to reach the cf fence? security move in from bullpens? bring your best
       Oct 27, 2004 @ 20:48 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15890. Re: [BoundaryPoint] snuck in
       And the measure tape off course! Which super hero suit did Jane iron for you this time, Donner? ... From: Michael Kaufman To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
       Oct 27, 2004 @ 20:53 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15891. Re: snuck in
       you may be right about the top of that wall mike i was thinking i would just hang out over it from the bleachers but there may actually be a seating gap there
       Oct 27, 2004 @ 22:30 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15892. servitudes/extraterritoriality.
       Any enclave manifests by its very existence a cause of a certain degree of extraterritoriality or rather dilution of sovereignty to the host state. By
       Oct 27, 2004 @ 23:49 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
15893. Re: servitudes/extraterritoriality.
       Hi. Servitudes - is that the term used down under ? Here in the US, at least, we call these real property access conditions easements . I guess we call it
       Oct 28, 2004 @ 00:03 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
15894. Russia-China disputed islands
       I don t know if this has been reported to the list before. /Christian ... From: RFE/RL List Manager To:
       Oct 27, 2004 @ 21:43 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
15895. Re: extraterritoriality
       ... And also (this may be another subject): if some legislation of state A doesn t apply because of extraterritoriality, and this isn t filled in by the
       Oct 28, 2004 @ 02:16 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
15896. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: servitudes/extraterritoriality.
       They re called servitudes here in Louisiana. Our codified civil law is based on the Code Napoleon, not the precedents of the English Common Law like the
       Oct 28, 2004 @ 03:45 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15897. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: extraterritoriality
       Yes. We were in Samnaun this summer on the CEBT. And we left the customs free area to the rest of Switzerland with no customs checks. ...
       Oct 28, 2004 @ 07:15 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15898. Re: Russia-China disputed islands
       No, it s new here. Thanks! I knew an agreement was reached, but I couldn t find the outcome. According to this report, one island has been divided. I would
       Oct 28, 2004 @ 07:51 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15899. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: servitudes/extraterritoriality.
       The term we use in Germany: Dienstbarkeit . It sounds like a translation of servitude . Wolfgang ... Von: L. A. Nadybal [mailto:lnadybal@comcast.net]
       Oct 28, 2004 @ 08:10 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
15900. o my or troy mo
       my easement for purposes of reaching the apex of marker 402 last night was indeed via the left center field bleachers which do in fact afford easy access to
       Oct 28, 2004 @ 17:02 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15901. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Russia-China disputed islands
       Thanks for the maps. Great! Here are some more news to this: RADIO FREE EUROPE/RADIO LIBERTY, PRAGUE, CZECH REPUBLIC
       Oct 28, 2004 @ 18:38 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
15902. sidney ia
       have just been decompressing from all the recent loony eclipse fun etc in st louis by dead reckoning toward the greater iamone area here on back roads which
       Oct 29, 2004 @ 18:07 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15903. Re: [BoundaryPoint] sidney ia
       I m afraid that Iowa s claim to have cornered the non-Chinese market on loessial hills is quite a provincially myopic overstatement! Loess is a light brown to
       Oct 29, 2004 @ 22:18 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15904. servitudes
       Servitude is the legal term for a concession of rights. Easement is the land over which access is granted to enable the enclave owner to reach his property
       Oct 30, 2004 @ 01:07 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
15905. Philadelphia route or Philadephi Route
       The Philadephi Route (corridor / buffer zone) is a strip of land between Egypt http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3959183.stm
       Oct 30, 2004 @ 16:02 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15906. Re: Philadelphia route or Philadephi Route
       map http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-+Obstacle+to+Peace/Terror+Groups/Weapon+Smuggling+Tunnels+in+Rafah+May+2004.htm?DisplayMode=print ... From: Jesper
       Oct 30, 2004 @ 16:07 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15907. kearney ne Re: sidney ia
       very interesting thanx & no need to be afraid so long as you dont blow reality too far out of proportion & even then no problem really either since even a
       Oct 30, 2004 @ 16:49 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15908. kearney ne Re: sidney ia
       & not just to recite the cone on cone history promised below but to add a few more essential messages relating to the collection of quadricounty points which i
       Oct 30, 2004 @ 17:23 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15909. 1 end of the earth has arrived on cream hill
       apparently only the ecuadorean topo so far more info to come as it is being looked into thanx for your continued patience ... Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail
       Oct 30, 2004 @ 17:44 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
15910. Re: [BoundaryPoint] kearney ne Re: sidney ia
       The statutory description of the boundaries of Perkins County (Nebraska Revised Statutes 22-168) indicate that CONE CONE is not even a tripoint, much less a
       Oct 30, 2004 @ 21:39 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15911. Re: servitudes
       Is servitude a CONcession of rights (meaning the owner still has them concurrently while they are given over for use by another until recalled or abandoned )
       Oct 30, 2004 @ 22:46 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
15912. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: servitudes
       oo good question!!! ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses.
       Oct 31, 2004 @ 03:23 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15913. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: servitudes
       I think that the answer to Len s question is yes. I have selected some excerpts from the Louisiana Civil Code regarding predial servitudes between landowners
       Oct 31, 2004 @ 05:05 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15914. power to the enclaves!
       http://www.thedailystar.net/2004/06/17/d40617070171.htm Brendan
       Oct 31, 2004 @ 05:09 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
15915. Cyprus TP attempted
       I revisited Cyprus last month and attempted a tp visit, the CYUKUNE. However, I am sure I blew it. I arrived to UK on the white road comming from the bottom of
       Oct 31, 2004 @ 15:21 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
15916. Brendans second thesis
       Peers, I received Brendans second thesis, the one about Baarle, the other day. I have now studied parts of the beautifully bound full A4-size book, and must
       Oct 31, 2004 @ 16:26 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
15917. fort collins co Re: [BoundaryPoint] kearney ne Re: sidney ia
       well that is interesting & here i am on a 20minute computer so i may have to respond in chunks & lurching insertions but the findings on the site were equally
       Oct 31, 2004 @ 22:58 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
15918. Re: Brendans second thesis
       ... does that also go for any nonserious or even emphatically frivolous boundarypointer who may still be left here obeying not gravity at all but only the law
       Oct 31, 2004 @ 23:39 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15919. Re: [BoundaryPoint] kearney ne Re: sidney ia
       say by halving the empirical width of the road beds diagonally across the intersection or by employing some other still more definitive test if possible --
       Nov 01, 2004 @ 00:57 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15920. Re: [BoundaryPoint] kearney ne Re: sidney ia
       just out of curiosity - what is/are this/these nonphysical source(s) of information you quote? ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo!
       Nov 01, 2004 @ 01:37 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15921. Re: servitudes
       ... Yes, what?? Do you want chocolate, vanilla or strawberry? Yes CON-current or gone forever - like, ceded?? Tnx Len
       Nov 01, 2004 @ 03:56 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
15922. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: servitudes
       ... I ll take one of each, please. I m sorry for the confusion. Actually, what I meant was, Yes, CONcurrent. Even though the dominant estate has a right
       Nov 01, 2004 @ 04:13 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15923. Odd border area - Croatia - Bosnia
       In pouring over a map of the Croatian coast, I noticed an odd bit of Bosnia sticking into Croatia. It occurs about 45km due north of Knin, Croatia - and just
       Nov 01, 2004 @ 08:09 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
15924. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Brendans second thesis
       Dear Ernst Stavro, as a newcomer to the group, can you please tell me who Brendan is? I have great interest buying the Baarle thesis, if it provides more to
       Nov 01, 2004 @ 13:38 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
15925. vernal ut re kearney ne Re: sidney ia
       good point so any empirical solution will likely yield not a single particular point but perhaps only a silly millimeter of truth but now that i have seen
       Nov 01, 2004 @ 17:38 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15926. kearney ne Re: sidney ia
       i am glad you are curious mike & will tell you whatever i truly can about them as i understand it they are a group of nonphysical entities communicating thru a
       Nov 01, 2004 @ 17:52 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15927. Re: AW: [BoundaryPoint] Brendans second thesis
       ... Dr Brendan Whyte is a scholar based in Melbourne, Australia I believe, who occasionally contributes to our discussions here at BoundaryPoint. His doctoral
       Nov 01, 2004 @ 19:39 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
15928. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Odd border area - Croatia - Bosnia
       So how wide is the thing? What are the squares with the flag? Jesper ... From: Doug Murray To: boundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004
       Nov 01, 2004 @ 20:52 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15929. this must be roosevelt ut
       i knew i was entering the duchesne county library but had to check topozone to find out what town this is since i didnt want to make noise by asking anyone in
       Nov 01, 2004 @ 21:15 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15930. AW: AW: [BoundaryPoint] Brendans second thesis
       Any info I have myself about Baarle? I do have a self-written article that runs about 100 pages, with pics and maps, all stolen from the web. My interest,
       Nov 01, 2004 @ 21:23 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
15931. Re: AW: [BoundaryPoint] Brendans second thesis
       Didn t the last disputed enclave got sorted out when they cleared out the mess a few years ago? Jesper ... From: Wolfgang Schaub To:
       Nov 01, 2004 @ 21:42 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15932. coalville ut
       not ready to say cockadoodle doo yet but my present try is indeed confirmed as wysw on utwy ever since i realized this will complete my all corners tour of
       Nov 02, 2004 @ 00:41 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15933. Re: [BoundaryPoint] vernal ut re kearney ne Re: sidney ia
       [By popular demand, Lowell now points his TextoPunctoScope to the purported Butler, Polk, Seward, York quadripoint in Nebraska.] The Nebraska Revised Statutes
       Nov 02, 2004 @ 05:31 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15934. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Odd border area - Croatia - Bosnia
       The thing appears very narrow... like maybe the width of a river or a road or rail right away. The box with a flag is not defined in the the maps legend
       Nov 02, 2004 @ 15:11 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
15935. Re: [BoundaryPoint] vernal ut re kearney ne Re: sidney ia
       In addition to Lowell s well defined quad-point in Nebraska, there are four others on the 6th Principal Meridian in Nebraska one of which is shared with Kansas
       Nov 02, 2004 @ 15:27 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
15936. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Brendans second thesis
       ... article that ... I d really, really like to read that. Would you consider sharing it, please? I believe there are no longer any disputed areas between the
       Nov 02, 2004 @ 16:30 - blofeld_es ("blofeld_es" <blofeld_es@...>)
15937. Spiro-Quadripoints
       All of you sure know the Jungholz enclave, surrounded by Germany and bound to Austria via a quadripoint on top of Sorgschrofen. This is unique in that it is
       Nov 02, 2004 @ 17:25 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
15938. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Spiro-Quadripoints
       I don t really understand what you mean. The Jungholz situation IS just TWO countries. Can you draw a simple map? Jesper ... From: Wolfgang Schaub To:
       Nov 02, 2004 @ 17:35 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15939. Re: Odd border area - Croatia - Bosnia
       ... of ... Croatian ... Another map at http://exclave.info/anomalies/yugo-vennbahn.jpg (Len reported the same situation in msg. 12110) Peter
       Nov 02, 2004 @ 17:36 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15940. coalville ut again
       not just to add trumpet flourishes & drumrolls but because all this & more really happened realizing only in the wee hours this morning that any authentic
       Nov 02, 2004 @ 17:51 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15941. Re: Spiro-Quadripoints
       if i understand you correctly it is rare but not really unique another one occurs in baarle & a third in bengal we have been calling these border crosses there
       Nov 02, 2004 @ 18:00 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15942. vernal ut re kearney ne Re: sidney ia
       thanx & best wishes for many more textopunctoscopies presumably this means the road centerline intersection i hit with my big toe with your new hi tech state
       Nov 02, 2004 @ 18:07 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15943. The end of BoundaryPoint as we knew it
       ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: doug@borderfilms.com Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 7:44 PM Subject: The end of BoundaryPoint Dear fellow border freaks Since
       Nov 02, 2004 @ 18:31 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
15944. Re: [BoundaryPoint] vernal ut re kearney ne Re: sidney ia
       Textopunctoscopy is not going to work everywhere. Actually, Nebraska is in the minority of states in having its county boundary legislation included in its
       Nov 02, 2004 @ 18:51 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
15945. Re: [BoundaryPoint] The end of BoundaryPoint as we knew it
       i dont understand what is your problem nobody said everyones land is necessarily for everybody all the time & you know perfectly well you can keep changing the
       Nov 02, 2004 @ 20:19 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
15946. coalville ut one last time
       well wouldnt you know my fulfillment was just around the next corner for i had allowed some new road construction & other red herrings to throw me for a loop
       Nov 02, 2004 @ 20:56 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15947. Re: The end of BoundaryPoint as we knew it
       What s the problem? The problem is that losing one s friends and acquaintances is one of the greatest losses... they are losses that can t be replaced with
       Nov 03, 2004 @ 00:01 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
15948. Re: AW: Brendans second thesis ---> ADDRESS, Ordering Info
       Brendan s original message with all info you will need to get a copy of the book: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/15682 (BP Message 15682)
       Nov 03, 2004 @ 00:12 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15949. Re: Odd border area - Croatia - Bosnia
       Those are the bunkers that surrendered. ... LN
       Nov 03, 2004 @ 02:45 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
15950. Büsingen Post Office article
       From the Schaffhauser Bock newspaper: The only post office in Germany offering Swiss postal services. http://www.bockonline.ch/archiv/2003/13/Letzte.html LN
       Nov 03, 2004 @ 02:52 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
15951. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Spiro-Quadripoints
       Yes 3: Junholz, Cooch Behar (India-Bangladesh), and Baarle. And the Baarle one is (if I am remembering this correctly) the only one that involves all enclaves
       Nov 03, 2004 @ 03:01 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15952. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Brendans second thesis
       No problem. I can strip off the pictures and maps - to make it manageable. What remains is written in German. Would that be acceptable? There is a danger,
       Nov 03, 2004 @ 06:00 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
15953. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Spiro-Quadripoints
       Thanks for clarifying this. My language (spiro...) comes from chemistry, the subject I graduated in. A spiro binding occurs in organic molecules where a ring
       Nov 03, 2004 @ 09:18 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
15954. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Spiro-Quadripoints
       Attached the map. Wolfgang ... Von: Jesper Nielsen [mailto:jesniel@image.dk] Gesendet: Dienstag, 2. November 2004 18:36 An: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
       Nov 03, 2004 @ 09:18 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@cro-contracts.com>)
15955. AW: [BoundaryPoint] The end of BoundaryPoint as we knew it
       Don t worry, please. Old contributors go, new ones come. Even if we remain silent, we listen to the wind blowing. I appreciate the group as being one that
       Nov 03, 2004 @ 09:18 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
15956. Re: AW: [BoundaryPoint] Brendans second thesis
       ... Jawohl. ... Thank you for sharing. Your comment makes me more curious. Now I just *have* to read your article! M __________________________________ Do you
       Nov 03, 2004 @ 13:50 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
15957. Re: Odd border area - Croatia - Bosnia
       No, the flag would be white :-) But seriously, a quick search on the internet reveals that F&B use this symbol for hotels, inns, or mountain refuges. Which may
       Nov 03, 2004 @ 16:02 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15958. twin falls id
       twin falls gives only a 30 minute internet courtesy so i will make the best & most of it as always i have read all your recent messages & rather than thinking
       Nov 03, 2004 @ 17:42 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15959. Re: AW: [BoundaryPoint] Spiro-Quadripoints
       Don t have PowerPoint. Here s a nice topomap of Jungholz: (see attachment) ... name=Stepwise Specialisation of Quadripoints.ppt
       Nov 03, 2004 @ 20:38 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@yahoo.com>)
15960. spiral bindings
       ... 2 Belgian enclaves, H1 and H2, and the Dutch mainland. This is about 100m east of Visiweg Jungholz is two mainlands and one enclave. The Cooch Behar case
       Nov 03, 2004 @ 22:49 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
15961. Baarle's last enclave.
       There was, until 1995, a field in the west of Baarle-Nassua commune of which a third was claimed by Belgium per the communal minute and map of the 1830s/40s.
       Nov 03, 2004 @ 23:08 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
15962. Croat/Bosnian anomaly
       Len, can you give me the bibiiographic details of this map? Title, date/edition, company, scale, ISBN etc? Unlike the 1:250,000 Freytag-Berndt map of Bosnia
       Nov 03, 2004 @ 23:15 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
15963. the dearly departed
       I didn t know that they had gone... I hope they are still lurking. There is enough useful info to keep me here, although I do get frustrated at those who feel
       Nov 03, 2004 @ 23:20 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
15964. nampa mama i am a mapman Re: d&b fountainhead try results
       just ducking back into western civ one last time here so as to get the best available maps & weather report this time & also to report in that the try will
       Nov 03, 2004 @ 23:40 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15965. Re: the dearly departed
       ... frustrated i agree brendan but forget the very last part you cant afford it & there are no victims anyway except of their own ignorance of cosmic law like
       Nov 04, 2004 @ 00:00 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15966. Re: spiral bindings
       ... the Baarle ... involves all ... about 100m ... two ... the ... joined ... ahh yesss indeed this is the one we have been supposing & clambering for more
       Nov 04, 2004 @ 00:19 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15967. Re: The end of BoundaryPoint as we knew it
       hey glad to have you wolfgang & since they are still not kicking me off this computer let me introduce jack & mike to you too your american highpointer
       Nov 04, 2004 @ 00:27 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15968. vernal ut re kearney ne Re: sidney ia
       ... yes i figured that but i thought to give you credit for everywhere anyway so it might at least become true or more true than now Actually, Nebraska is in
       Nov 04, 2004 @ 00:49 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15969. Re: Croat/Bosnian anomaly
       Hi. No immediate time - but will look and send details tomorrow Thurs. Len ... scans of ... which ... boundary?
       Nov 04, 2004 @ 03:54 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
15970. Kyarki Exclave now Tigranashen
       Anyone cover this before? Apparently Kyarki is no more... or its there and changed names. From travelog http://www.virtualarmenia.am/ararat/bn/p9b49.htm
       Nov 04, 2004 @ 04:03 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
15971. Re: Kyarki Exclave now Tigranashen
       ... Yes. See msg. 6916. Click on the link and then on back , and you ll get to the page that you found. ... It s there and changed names. Peter
       Nov 04, 2004 @ 08:25 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15972. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: The end of BoundaryPoint as we knew it
       Love to have a poet in the group. Inspiring me in my writings about other kinds of points: The highest ones. When all lines converge towards the ultimate top
       Nov 04, 2004 @ 10:39 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
15973. Re: AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: The end of BoundaryPoint as we knew it
       ... Hrm.. ... example, is the meaning of the ... Sorgschrofen in Jungholz. Peter Hering would be able to answer this, but I recently learned he does not log on
       Nov 04, 2004 @ 17:27 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@yahoo.com>)
15974. Freistaat Flaschenhals
       Hello all, it appears to me I misuse you in the attempt
       Nov 04, 2004 @ 20:23 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
15975. Freistaat Flaschenhals
       Hello all, it appears to me I misuse you in the attempt to solve all my problems. Here I have a new question: look at www.freistaat-flaschenhals.de and you
       Nov 04, 2004 @ 21:12 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@cro-contracts.com>)
15976. Enclave problems (Belarus-Lithuania, Bangladesh-India & Kyrgyzstan-Uzbekistan)
       Im forwarding this message, originating from the oxiana-list . /Christian Berghänel, Sweden ... From: Bruno De Cordier To:
       Nov 04, 2004 @ 22:31 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
15977. Re: [BoundaryPoint] The end of BoundaryPoint as we knew it
       Just like that line you always hear about college, BP is like a buffet; you can pick and choose what you want... Intersting topics - read and maybe
       Nov 04, 2004 @ 23:40 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15978. Re: [BoundaryPoint] The end of BoundaryPoint as we knew it
       As for Jan, I don t know what has happened to him. I sent him an email over a month ago in regards to 2 statistical tripointing errors he had on his webpage,
       Nov 04, 2004 @ 23:48 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15979. Re: [BoundaryPoint] spiral bindings
       Yes, you are of course correct in this. The Baarle uniqueness for a binational quadripoint I was trying to remember was that it was: Country A mainland + 2
       Nov 04, 2004 @ 23:55 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15980. burns oregon was nampa mama i am a mapman Re: d&b fountainhead try results
       78 solitary miles from the last gas station aka burns junction & 52 miles off the pavement along the foot of 65 mile long steens mtn an awesome stretch of
       Nov 05, 2004 @ 01:03 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15981. Re: Kyarki Exclave now Tigranashen
       Who does it belong to under its new name? Official Armenian school district records show that election polling stations are set up at one or more schools in
       Nov 05, 2004 @ 04:49 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
15982. Re: Kyarki Exclave now Tigranashen
       The enclave has been occupied by Armenia and is now part of the republic of Armenia or a part of the republic of Azerbaijan that is under Armenian occupation,
       Nov 05, 2004 @ 08:02 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
15983. eugene or Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Kyarki Exclave now Tigranashen
       yes & this was also covered in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/15476 btw wellborn greetings from the university of oregon library a part of
       Nov 05, 2004 @ 19:46 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
15984. Re: spiral bindings
       yes unique for being 2 country b enclaves but only if you somehow dismiss the truly singular & exquisitely precious if also comically lopsided butterfly of
       Nov 05, 2004 @ 20:31 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15985. the beginning of bp as we want it Re: The end of BoundaryPoint as we knew it
       i say leave them alone & theyll come home wagging their trifunnybums behind them alternatively as he is a sensitive fellow why doesnt someone just give him a
       Nov 05, 2004 @ 21:57 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15986. Re: [BoundaryPoint] the beginning of bp as we want it Re: The end of BoundaryPoint as we knew it
       yahoo IBRG is no more! (and hasnt been for maybe over 6 months now) ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page.
       Nov 05, 2004 @ 22:18 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
15987. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: spiral bindings
       Let us imagine the two-b-enclave butterfly (Papilio belgicus biclavicis, subspecies Baarle) would begin flying: the right wing a muddy-greenish maize field,
       Nov 05, 2004 @ 22:20 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
15988. Re: spiral bindings
       hahahahaha hahahahahaha man i just got off the phone with my bc bud supplier in anacortes & the newest crop is reported to be especially fine & ready so that
       Nov 05, 2004 @ 23:18 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15989. good thinking
       & good resultant idea & desire & creation by you mike indeed take it all the way down or up to message 1 if you or anyone likes of course skipping lightly over
       Nov 05, 2004 @ 23:33 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15990. Re: Enclave problems (Belarus-Lithuania, Bangladesh-India & Kyrgyzstan-Uzbekistan)
       ... face numerous hurdles ... ooh great hahahahaha truly of all these i think only the improper roads might be at all unsettling to me personally tho i would
       Nov 05, 2004 @ 23:49 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15991. Re: Freistaat Flaschenhals
       i realize you are only joking wolfgang thank goodness but all misuse is self misuse & we do recognize & solve puzzles ok but problems belong somewhere else
       Nov 06, 2004 @ 00:02 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15992. [BoundaryPoint] Re: The end of BoundaryPoint as we knew it
       as place taker mats as well as a placeholder here in your own right would you also take a tape measure next time you visit the place to either confirm or bust
       Nov 06, 2004 @ 00:14 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15993. Re: The end of BoundaryPoint as we knew it
       ... do you mean his problem or your problem on reflection i dont think either of you really has a problem but were both just having a little folly with the
       Nov 06, 2004 @ 00:49 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15994. Re: Cyprus TP attempted
       ... comming from the bottom of the map to the corridor road.I turned right and then first right. I stopped where the road turned into dirt, and walked east.
       Nov 06, 2004 @ 01:37 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15995. Re: Philadelphia route or Philadephi Route
       ... tho i have cut it i dont blame anyone for offering stuff like this here even if i havent yet understood what there is to like about it let alone square or
       Nov 06, 2004 @ 02:13 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15996. Re: Extraterritoriality
       ... actual sovereignty or divinity for it is all the same thing inheres in every individual human being as well as in all that is & not just in rulers &or
       Nov 06, 2004 @ 02:46 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
15997. In between tri and quadri
       Has anybody of you cast an eye on the Vaalserberg already? Netherland s highest mountain and - today - a tripoint: BEDENL. Historically, it started as
       Nov 06, 2004 @ 08:41 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
15998. press-release: Linguistic border page Belgium/France
       Some of you might already have noticed that the `linguistic border homepage about Belgium and Northern France is not available anymore. This was not a hostile
       Nov 06, 2004 @ 08:47 - kahbeh2000 ("kahbeh2000" <kahbeh@...>)
15999. Re: In between tri and quadri
       hello, thanks for the informative information. I have been to the Vaalserberg quite a few times alone and with (border-)friends, and I have taken quite a
       Nov 06, 2004 @ 08:52 - kahbeh2000 ("kahbeh2000" <kahbeh@...>)
16000. Language
       Dear all, creative as I was I introduced the term Spiro binding , stolen from chemistry. Spiral binding is something else - what you do to brochures and
       Nov 06, 2004 @ 08:41 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16001. Re: [BoundaryPoint] press-release: Linguistic border page Belgium/France
       ... Using the Wayback Machine at , it is still possible to access older versions of the site, using its old addresses: -
       Nov 06, 2004 @ 10:29 - Pepijn Hendriks ("Pepijn Hendriks" <yahoo@...>)
16002. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: In between tri and quadri
       You are right, I should have put continental before Netherlands . Have been on Mt. Scenery as part of my mountain bagging programme in January this year.
       Nov 06, 2004 @ 13:54 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16003. Re: In between tri and quadri
       has any body of us yikes but it is scarcely strange at all that you should be singing your first tricountry point praises to fair bedenl as her ready
       Nov 06, 2004 @ 20:13 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16004. special to mafia pete
       dear boss as i promised to get back to you by next month at the latest about our prospective cocreation of a boundarypointing van in europe for my own &
       Nov 06, 2004 @ 21:04 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16005. Re: The end of BoundaryPoint as we knew it
       ... other ... & i should probably add since jack is likely too busy moving just now to return salute that he is not only a true king of the united states but
       Nov 06, 2004 @ 21:54 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16006. Re: Freistaat Flaschenhals
       ... problems. ... and you ... Versailles ... forces; a ... Bridgeheads were ... around Koblenz ... shown in ... but such a touch is not actually shown on your
       Nov 06, 2004 @ 22:58 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16007. bwnazmzw bridge advances but as just a bwzmzw or yikes only a bwzm bridge
       http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=84&art_id=qw1099404901598B251 the actual placement of the bridge in relation to the actual configuration of
       Nov 06, 2004 @ 23:17 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16008. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Freistaat Flaschenhals
       Never heard of this situation before...but I ll toss a few back with jolly beer-drinking lions any day! ... name=Flaschenhals.doc
       Nov 07, 2004 @ 06:27 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
16009. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Perloja, Lithuania - Former Freistaat Flaschenhals
       Hi, there was something similar in Lithuania, very simital time, at Perloja. They had their Republika Perloja for nearly 5 years as a special situation between
       Nov 07, 2004 @ 10:01 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
16010. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Freistaat Flaschenhals
       hi, when i looked for pictures of Flaschenhals at google, i found this funny thing: http://www.miba.de/spezial/spezial/58/72.htm regards, chris ... From:
       Nov 07, 2004 @ 10:05 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
16011. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Freistaat Flaschenhals
       The sketchy map I had shown is just too unprecise. I am searching for a contemporary larger scale map. Modern maps no longer refer to the former bridgeheads
       Nov 07, 2004 @ 10:50 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16012. florence or Re: Another Nice Four County Monument
       multipointing news past & present 1 year ago from mike ... one in ... & 3 years ago from jack http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/4277 ok guys
       Nov 07, 2004 @ 22:52 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16013. Zambia-Zimbabwe boundary resolution?
       Reported from elsewhere
       Nov 08, 2004 @ 04:43 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
16014. The highest point in Italy
       I see my Flaschenhals question remains unanswered. Here is the next one: When you ask people on the road in Italy what their highest mountain is many will not
       Nov 08, 2004 @ 16:11 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16015. florence or Re: Another Nice Four County Monument
       & i only just realized what a humongous blob is involved here if i win oregon by visiting clcotiwa i can claim the adjacent megapoint vacancies too & their
       Nov 08, 2004 @ 18:39 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16016. Re: Zambia-Zimbabwe boundary resolution?
       i see elsewhere running generally about a day behind us here ... African ... carried a ... dispute, ... dispute in
       Nov 08, 2004 @ 18:42 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16017. Re: The highest point in Italy
       ... er i think it is mine that remain unanswered what basis is there for supposing any tangency or overlap & what basis is there for supposing any normal
       Nov 08, 2004 @ 18:57 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16018. special to doug
       are you still up for puffing up under the peace arch i could bring the washington bc bud to bc if you would bring the bc bc bud to washington & we could
       Nov 08, 2004 @ 19:06 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16019. yachats or rostah cay
       made swift replay of the heights overlooking cape perpetua where i used to think i had to stay forever for now i know i can also always return too ahh what a
       Nov 08, 2004 @ 21:37 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16020. Re: yachats or rostah cay
       ... up ... oops excuse me please dallen that last one should have been http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/3850 beeps
       Nov 08, 2004 @ 21:48 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16021. flaschenhals
       ... the ... exclave i mean of course a merely practical exclave as opposed to a fully topological one however alternatively in view of the prevailing
       Nov 08, 2004 @ 22:02 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16022. Re: Freistaat Flaschenhals
       Hello, Under Files I have posted a small excerpt from the map Mitteleuroppa nach dem 1. Weltkrieg [Central Europe after the 1. World War]; Grosser
       Nov 08, 2004 @ 22:10 - P. Joost Lemmens ("P. Joost Lemmens" <joostik@...>)
16023. Re: Freistaat Flaschenhals
       joost nice so were these thin red striped territories being within neither the french nor american orbits yet behind the allied front somewhat of both or
       Nov 08, 2004 @ 22:42 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16024. Re: Perloja, Lithuania
       ... Perloja. ... situation between the polish occupied Eastern part of Lithuania around Vilnius and the free and independent Lithuania with at tis time
       Nov 08, 2004 @ 22:47 - P. Joost Lemmens ("P. Joost Lemmens" <joostik@...>)
16025. runup to clcotiwa & mt st helens
       from the looks & sounds of the current info beginning at http://www.fs.fed.us/gpnf/volcanocams/msh it appears we may get a puff or 2 on the first pass & can
       Nov 08, 2004 @ 23:04 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16026. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Freistaat Flaschenhals
       Thanks to Joost! A bit more clarity now. So the Flaschenhals was really a bottleneck and not entirely occluded. Still I will find out in March next year how
       Nov 09, 2004 @ 08:37 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16027. Berlin - where was the wall? - Quiz
       Hi, Where was the wall in Berlin? can you figure it out? http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/0,1518,325484,00.html Regards, Chris (Interesting to see,
       Nov 09, 2004 @ 11:46 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
16028. yikes special to doug again with apologies to all
       apologies doug & all but i was actually so foolish as to irrevocably delete unread your offlist email response to my acceptance of your invitation to the peace
       Nov 09, 2004 @ 18:54 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16029. Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes special to doug again with apologies to all
       When do you expect to be in Peace Arch range? Any plans for a pint in Point Bob? Doug ... Doug Murray Productions/Border Films sounds+images+words North
       Nov 09, 2004 @ 19:19 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
16030. Re: yikes special to doug again with apologies to all
       depends on how my stop in anacortes goes possibly in a day or 2 or a few but soon would be honored to enjoy point bob with you if you could get me there from
       Nov 09, 2004 @ 23:23 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16031. Freistaat Flaschenhals
       http://www.omnimap.com/cgi-bin/omni/graphic.pl?images/klett/k-1910.jpg This is a lovely, detailed and huge wall map (2x2.5m, 1:600,000, for US$299, that shows
       Nov 10, 2004 @ 00:13 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
16032. Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes special to doug again with apologies to all
       ... I have seen a brand of cheese called Tillamook or Tillamook [something or other]. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA
       Nov 10, 2004 @ 02:15 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16033. Llívia ortophotos 1:5000
       I ve re-visited the web www.icc.es and there are excellent new colour ortophotos 1:5000 from Llívia. You can access clicking ( english version ): products-
       Nov 10, 2004 @ 08:36 - marcelmiquel ("marcelmiquel" <marcelmiquel@correu.mesvilaweb.com>)
16034. shelton wa
       another hurried post to try to explain the previous hurried posts first doug i believe i am all clear in anacortes tonite & am indeed fixating now on arriving
       Nov 10, 2004 @ 18:31 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16035. Re: [BoundaryPoint] shelton wa [Special to M Donner]
       I am working 11/11 from 0600 until 1500. I can zip down after that... you can ring me on my mobile at 604.728.1407 or email as usual. Cheers! Doug ... Doug
       Nov 10, 2004 @ 18:36 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
16036. Re: [BoundaryPoint] shelton wa
       NEVADA TEXTOPUNCTOSCOPY REPORT In specifying the boundaries of Washoe County, Nevada Revised Statutes (NRS 243.340) refers to the county boundary monument
       Nov 10, 2004 @ 21:46 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16037. Japanese enclave etc website
       
       Nov 10, 2004 @ 22:08 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
16038. special to martin Fwd: Re: Zambia-Zimbabwe boundary?/ICJ President Shi's 59th UNGA State ment
       the hopefully attached forward of a recent ibru list message implicates you in fresh bwnazmzw research heretofore unreported at bp would you kindly either give
       Nov 10, 2004 @ 22:40 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16039. Re: shelton wa [Special to M Donner]
       ok thanx i will call too i see topozone doesnt actually indicate the location of the peace arch per se within the mile or so of borderfront of peace arch park
       Nov 10, 2004 @ 23:09 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16040. Re: shelton wa
       many thanx well done & all duly noted for an early summary globbing of nevada & adjacent empty places ... Statutes (NRS ... County, Lyon ... (megapoint). ...
       Nov 10, 2004 @ 23:13 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16041. Alfaristan - a blackhole for tourists
       If you go to www.eril.4mg.com you will find yourself on the official site of the Independent Monarchy of the Presidential Republic of Alfaristan . Never heard
       Nov 11, 2004 @ 14:03 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16042. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Alfaristan - a blackhole for tourists
       http://worldatlas.com/aatlas/infopage/highlow.htm ... if
       Nov 11, 2004 @ 14:16 - jesniel@image.dk (jesniel@...)
16043. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Highest point in Italy
       Thank you for the list. Essentially it is a useful guide for the collector. However, not to my surprise, it contains the usual errors, that repeat itself
       Nov 11, 2004 @ 15:15 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16044. RE: AW: [BoundaryPoint] Highest point in Italy
       Defining highest point is really not a simple task. This describes the DK situation which involves history, emotions, definition, opinion and new discoveries.
       Nov 11, 2004 @ 15:46 - jesniel@image.dk (jesniel@...)
16045. AW: AW: [BoundaryPoint] Highest point in Denmark
       Thank you Jesper. I had known about the 6 cm difference, and when visiting Ejer Bavnejoj I decided to simply also visit Yding Skovhoj. What I definitely will
       Nov 11, 2004 @ 16:37 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16046. Re: AW: [BoundaryPoint] Highest point in Denmark
       Did you read the whole story? Including Møllehøj? Jesper ... From: Wolfgang Schaub To:
       Nov 11, 2004 @ 17:07 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16047. AW: AW: [BoundaryPoint] Highest point in Denmark
       Oh yes. For Møllehøj, however, I know only the quote of 171 m. Not precise enough. Do you know better? I have to admit I was NOT on Møllehøj s summit.
       Nov 11, 2004 @ 17:46 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16048. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: shelton wa [Special to M Donner]
       Special to Mike: I have poor mobile reception at work... but I am set to zip down to the Peace Arch after work (3pm ish). There is a little Washington State
       Nov 11, 2004 @ 17:52 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
16049. Re: AW: [BoundaryPoint] Highest point in Denmark
       I have also done Bavne and Yding, but not Møllehøj. I brought foreign visitors to Ejer Bavnehøj and asked them what they thought it was. They had no ideas
       Nov 11, 2004 @ 18:47 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16050. Re: [BoundaryPoint] special to martin Fwd: Re: Zambia-Zimbabwe boundary?/ICJ President Shi's 59th UNGA State ment
       If anyone wants to read/re-read Brownlie: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.culture.discuss.boundary-point/2919
       Nov 11, 2004 @ 21:42 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
16051. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: shelton wa [Special to M Donner]
       If you guys let everyone know exactly when you will be there, perhaps we can all see you on the webcam for the (assumably) first ever live visual internet
       Nov 11, 2004 @ 21:58 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
16052. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Japanese enclave etc website
       Hmm. I get an error message when I use the altavista site to translate: Error decoding translated text. We re sorry we ve encountered an error with your
       Nov 11, 2004 @ 22:05 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
16053. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: shelton wa [Special to M Donner]
       I am leaving downtown Vancouver now (2:21 pacific time). I should be at the Arch around 3 - 3:15pm pacific. I ll be dressed in jeans and either a black
       Nov 11, 2004 @ 22:25 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
16054. Doug Murray + Mike Donner spotted at Peace Arch on webcam!
       Attaching screencaps below :) 1, 2, 3 and then I drew red arrows on each pointing out our fine BP-ers: 1A, 2A, 3A. 1, 2, 3 in this mail...1A, 2A, 3A in next
       Nov 12, 2004 @ 00:15 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@yahoo.com>)
16055. Peace Arch screencaps part 2: 1A, 2A, 3A
       1A, 2A, 3A...enjoy! -Mike ... If you guys let everyone know exactly when you will be there, perhaps we can all see you on the webcam for the (assumably) first
       Nov 12, 2004 @ 00:18 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@yahoo.com>)
16056. DM meets MD at USCA (BCWA) 11-11-04
       Apologies for the file size. If anyone would like to see larger shots or other shots of the area, let me know and I will send them direct. These photos were
       Nov 12, 2004 @ 03:35 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
16057. RE: [BoundaryPoint] DM meets MD at USCA (BCWA) 11-11-04
       How nice to see the faces behind the voices . Rather like characters from radio programmes, one pictures people differently. From their writings , I imagined
       Nov 12, 2004 @ 09:29 - Bill Burke ("Bill Burke" <billb@...>)
16058. Attachments
       Apologies if this seems a silly question, but how can I view attachments when they are marked as not stored ? Thanks Andrew
       Nov 12, 2004 @ 15:01 - rogart10 ("rogart10" <rogart10@...>)
16059. bellingham wa Re: Attachments
       ... not a silly but a good question andrew which will perhaps one day be permanently answered on our home page but in fact the easiest way to view attachments
       Nov 12, 2004 @ 19:02 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16060. EUe
       I am going to watch this movie with Dr. Lim. Peter Hering tomorrow: http://www.strandfilm.com/Projekte/Die%20Mitte/sf_Mitte_engl.htm, moire links at
       Nov 12, 2004 @ 19:17 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16061. Site changes
       
       Nov 12, 2004 @ 19:45 - Eefberns ("Eefberns" <eefberns@grenspalen.nl>)
16062. AW: [BoundaryPoint] The easternmost point in Europe
       You touch an interesting question: Where are the eastern boundaries of Europe? How do we define Europe? 1) Geographically? Ural, Caucasus, Bosporus? And what
       Nov 12, 2004 @ 20:48 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16063. Re: [BoundaryPoint] DM meets MD at USCA (BCWA) 11-11-04
       Good idea! I ve placed a photo of me at http://www.mexlist.com/bp/lgm.jpg . Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: Bill Burke To:
       Nov 12, 2004 @ 20:46 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16064. ferndale wa
       as my new position also reveals i have zigzagged back north after having slid farther south or maybe more accurately have just backslid a bit but the cause is
       Nov 12, 2004 @ 20:54 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16065. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Special to MD from DM re: PR, AK, ETC
       MD: I think that 2 days to blast up to Hyder/Stewart would cheat us on really being able to see the place. I would live to spend time talking to residents and
       Nov 12, 2004 @ 21:06 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
16066. Re: AW: [BoundaryPoint] The easternmost point in Europe
       Wolfgang, ... I thought Europe was relatively well-defined geographically. The problem is that political boundaries cross the geographical ones. ... So do
       Nov 12, 2004 @ 21:27 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
16067. Re: [BoundaryPoint] The easternmost point in Europe
       To me a continent is an entirely physical, non political unit. And off course Europe is not really a continent, Euroasia is. Anyway, my Polish road atlas has a
       Nov 12, 2004 @ 22:03 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16068. 49th parallel and the Cananda/USA border
       FYI: I ve just added a few stats to the Notes section of the Canada page on the Degree Confluence Project website:
       Nov 13, 2004 @ 01:15 - Dave Patton [DCP] ("Dave Patton [DCP]" <dpatton@...>)
16069. Re: Japanese enclave etc website
       I got that, too. Try it on Google by searching for the webpage by the complete URL - you should get a prompt Translate this page? - see what happens. I ll be
       Nov 13, 2004 @ 02:39 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
16070. Re: Japanese enclave etc website
       Also, open the Japanese page, and you ll see the titles of each page to which it links, in English (or at least Latin character transliteration), at the bottom
       Nov 13, 2004 @ 02:41 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
16071. Re: [BoundaryPoint] The easternmost point in Europe
       I must disagree as to the location of the eastern point of Europe. If the Ural Mountains make up part of the delimitation, the eastern point of Europe would
       Nov 13, 2004 @ 03:54 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16072. Re: Japanese Easy Translation
       There s the word English right at the upper center of the Japanese language page - translation made easy.... works like a charm. LN
       Nov 13, 2004 @ 04:27 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
16073. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Attachments
       http://article.gmane.org/gmane.culture.discuss.boundary-point/5549 ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page.
       Nov 13, 2004 @ 07:07 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
16074. Re: [BoundaryPoint] The easternmost point in Europe
       Hey someone is stealing the marker! http://www.strandfilm.com/images/Mitte1.jpg ... http://www.strandfilm.com/Projekte/Die%20Mitte/sf_Mitte_engl.htm, ...
       Nov 13, 2004 @ 07:26 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
16075. Group Members Photos was Re: [BoundaryPoint] DM meets MD at USCA (BCWA) 11-11-04
       There is an area in the group: go to BP, then photos, then BP Member Photos. Oops suppose I should upload one there too at some point. ...
       Nov 13, 2004 @ 07:34 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
16076. Re: [BoundaryPoint] The easternmost point in Europe
       No, he is just moving it after reading BoundaryPoint. Jesper ... From: Michael Kaufman To: Sent:
       Nov 13, 2004 @ 07:45 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16077. Re: Group Members Photos was Re: [BoundaryPoint] DM meets MD at USCA (BCWA) 11-11-04
       My photo is here: http://profiles.yahoo.com/jesniel But you have so sign into BP first. Jesper ... From: Michael Kaufman To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
       Nov 13, 2004 @ 07:52 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16078. salkum wa was bellingham wa Re: Attachments
       ... indicated ... that ... indeed & thanx to mikes message 16073 i can now revise the conversion factor from the above estimate of 10496 up to exactly 10507 as
       Nov 13, 2004 @ 18:59 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16079. Enclaves
       http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2004/11/e1e7b110-e5e5-4219-b4a4-6d6ed6d5f875.html
       Nov 14, 2004 @ 16:02 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16080. Re: German Exclave in the Vatican
       Hi, just to update the links: the Teutonic Order Link is still working, the article of the Ohlsdorf Cemetary about Campo Santo Teutonico now can be found at
       Nov 14, 2004 @ 17:26 - max23568 ("max23568" <23568@...>)
16081. Re: [BoundaryPoint] The easternmost point in Europe
       ... From: Lowell G. McManus To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] The easternmost point in
       Nov 14, 2004 @ 18:09 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@aaahawk.com>)
16082. Fw: Vatikan
       Hi, from a mail, i got: its about a book from 1929, where Nuntius Pacelli published the complete Lateran treaty with all maps, signed by Mussolini. The writer
       Nov 14, 2004 @ 19:55 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
16083. Re: [BoundaryPoint] The easternmost point in Europe
       Yes, exactly. That would be the easternmost point on what the National Geographic Society shows on its maps as the traditional line of distinction between
       Nov 14, 2004 @ 20:14 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16084. newport or
       having spent a most impressive night of dreaming & day of puffing up with helen in fact just long enough to put up this ode do to her if thats what it is puff
       Nov 14, 2004 @ 22:40 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16085. Re: [BoundaryPoint] The easternmost point in Europe
       What does Nat. grog. society say about N/S Americas. Again you could say same thing that it is all one. But I am thinking they have determined it on basis of
       Nov 14, 2004 @ 22:45 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
16086. Re: [BoundaryPoint] The easternmost point in Europe
       Clearly I meant Geog not grog...though I d love to join a national grog society. as a matter of fact I think I ll go establish one right now yippee who s
       Nov 14, 2004 @ 22:51 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
16087. Re: [BoundaryPoint] The end of BoundaryPoint as we knew it
       Yep, obviously, it has been ages ago. For my part, I ve got to take care of my three children, the latest born about two months ago. So I visit and read a lot
       Nov 14, 2004 @ 23:23 - Petter Brabec (Petter Brabec <pete2784west@...>)
16088. Re: [BoundaryPoint] The easternmost point in Europe
       While the NGS has often furnished its maps of Europe and Asia with a green line separating the two, I have never seen them do the same for the two Americas or
       Nov 15, 2004 @ 00:14 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16089. Re: [BoundaryPoint] The easternmost point in Europe
       ... From: Lowell G. McManus To: Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint]
       Nov 15, 2004 @ 01:12 - John Seeliger ("John Seeliger" <jseelige@...>)
16090. BorderFilms Store Announcement
       It s official! After a weekend of scanning and and tweaking, I d like to announce that I ve opened a small online store featuring my borderland photography,
       Nov 15, 2004 @ 05:46 - doug@dougmurrayproductions.com (doug@...)
16091. Re: [BoundaryPoint] The easternmost point in Europe
       maybe at the canal? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_America North America s only land connection is to South America at the narrow Isthmus of Panama.
       Nov 15, 2004 @ 05:56 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
16092. Re: BorderFilms Store Announcement
       ... that ... photography, ... I ve taken a look at the calendar, and it contains sooo many great pics from - to us - well known places..memories!!! My sincere
       Nov 15, 2004 @ 08:07 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
16093. Re: [BoundaryPoint] The easternmost point in Europe
       I was totally wrong earlier tonight when I wrote that the first break between the Americas, given sufficient rise in sea level, would be at the approximate
       Nov 15, 2004 @ 08:25 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16094. Borders of Russia
       Dear all, As you know, my interest is mountains, specifically the highest of ech European country. Often borders run across summits, so I also expect this to
       Nov 15, 2004 @ 10:32 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16095. AW: [BoundaryPoint] The easternmost point in Europe
       Given sufficient rise in sea level : What a nice concept! Given sufficient rise in sea level I would - virtually - be the winner, having been on top of Cerro
       Nov 15, 2004 @ 10:33 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16096. Re: [BoundaryPoint] The easternmost point in Europe
       Sea level fluctuates within a normal range of a few hundred feet over time. Sea level was 450 feet lower than it is now during the most recent ice age just a
       Nov 15, 2004 @ 16:34 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16097. AW: [BoundaryPoint] The easternmost point in Europe
       O dear! Will this mean the Chinese will flood America, just walk across? Like their ancestors have done, 40k years ago? I see the Clash of civilization
       Nov 15, 2004 @ 18:28 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16098. waldport or Re: The easternmost point in Europe
       ... a green line ... Americas or ... unacceptable limit ... Panamá from ... boundary. ... would be even ... limit should be ... the isthmus. ... masses if sea
       Nov 15, 2004 @ 18:48 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16099. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BorderFilms Store Announcement
       fb Doug! Some pictures look familiar ..... I hope you will sell a lot of those items. When can we order a film on, lets say, a central European border
       Nov 15, 2004 @ 19:31 - Harry ten Veen (Harry ten Veen <h.ten.veen@...>)
16100. Re: Re: [BoundaryPoint] The easternmost point in Europe
       ... I would suggest the middle of the Panama Canal as the effective boundary now. (Interesting tidbit -- Construction of the Panama Canal was completed 70
       Nov 15, 2004 @ 22:10 - Andrew T. Patton (Andrew T. Patton <andrew@AndrewPatton.com>)
16101. Russia begins handover of Tajik-Afghan border
       More on the Tajik-Afghan border. /Christian Berghänel, Sweden ... From: RFE/RL List Manager To: Sent:
       Nov 15, 2004 @ 22:20 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
16102. yachats or rostah cay Re: [BoundaryPoint] The easternmost point in Europe
       nice one andrew at the crosshairs of the americas hahahahaha looks like an inca pyramid there too i love it not to mention that the original & main bridge over
       Nov 15, 2004 @ 23:22 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16103. yachats or rostah cay Re: [BoundaryPoint] The easternmost point in Europe
       oddly enough the head of the rogue looks like a place called boundary springs http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=43.06639&lon=-122.22917 cant get away from
       Nov 15, 2004 @ 23:42 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16104. Re: AW: [BoundaryPoint] The easternmost point in Europe
       In such big flooding, wouldn t much of Europe disappear too? Yikes! And I have quite a few more tripoints still to visit! ...
       Nov 16, 2004 @ 06:02 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
16105. pal slap Re: yachats or rostah cay Re: [BoundaryPoint] The easternmost point in Europe
       No gut Panama nap, Tug on. Like, don t strip this admittedly somewhat factitious Panamanian bicontinental bridge dream of its most mythical elements.
       Nov 16, 2004 @ 06:45 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
16106. AW: AW: [BoundaryPoint] The easternmost point in Europe
       Flooding is REALLY happening - against George W. Bush s perception. Check DVR90 in google, and history , and you will come to sites that explain why Denmark
       Nov 16, 2004 @ 07:52 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16107. What is a continent?
       Before we discuss borders of continents we should better decide - once and forever - what a continent really is. I have checked encyclopedias, beginning with
       Nov 16, 2004 @ 07:51 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16108. Re: AW: [BoundaryPoint] The easternmost point in Europe
       Most remaining tps are in the mountains, so wait, it will probably be easier. By boat rather than food. Jesper ... In such big flooding, wouldn t much of
       Nov 16, 2004 @ 14:57 - jesniel@image.dk (jesniel@...)
16109. Great pictures of KZUZ
       http://www.iwpr.net/index.pl?centasia_kazuzbek_border.html
       Nov 16, 2004 @ 17:30 - Emmet C Tuohy ("Emmet C Tuohy" <ectuohy@...>)
16110. yachats or still
       in case anyone is still interested in mere miniexpeditioning i am calling in well again today from somewhere on america while enjoying a brief sandcastling &
       Nov 16, 2004 @ 20:08 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16111. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Russia begins handover of Tajik-Afghan border
       Why wasn t it handed over when they became independent? Jesper ... From: Christian Berghänel To: BoundaryPoint Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 11:20 PM
       Nov 16, 2004 @ 20:04 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16112. Re: AW: AW: [BoundaryPoint] The easternmost point in Europe
       Of course that would never suffice; too bad about those who wish for natural disasters... ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My
       Nov 16, 2004 @ 21:01 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
16113. Re: AW: AW: [BoundaryPoint] The easternmost point in Europe
       Rather too good about those who don t. ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com
       Nov 16, 2004 @ 21:05 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
16114. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Russia begins handover of Tajik-Afghan border
       Please see: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/15655 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/15657
       Nov 16, 2004 @ 21:20 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
16115. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Great pictures of KZUZ
       Hey I remember that http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/15508 ... http://www.iwpr.net/index.pl?centasia_kazuzbek_border.html ...
       Nov 16, 2004 @ 21:31 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
16116. pal slap Re: yachats or rostah cay Re: [BoundaryPoint] The easternmost point in Europe
       is there a subject or a verb or anything in here for starters whether express or implied with pals a little syntax outslaps a load of explanation or at least
       Nov 16, 2004 @ 23:20 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16117. Re: pal slap Re: yachats or rostah cay Re: [BoundaryPoint] The easternmost point in Europe
       ..but isn t the Suez Canal at sea level? My sources say so. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: aletheiak To:
       Nov 17, 2004 @ 00:42 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16118. Re: yachats or rostah cay Re: [BoundaryPoint] The easternmost point in Europe
       that s the rogue head of the Rogue I think the real head must be up the Muir, not the nominal Rogue
       Nov 17, 2004 @ 00:52 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
16119. Re: yachats or rostah cay Re: [BoundaryPoint] The easternmost point in Europe
       And please do reports on the vortex if your travels take you there And the subject was an implied general you ...
       Nov 17, 2004 @ 00:59 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
16120. AW: pal slap Re: yachats or rostah cay Re: [BoundaryPoint] The easternmost point in Europe
       Happy to learn we Euros have nothing in common with Africa - the Suez canal saves us. However, there is a tunnel underneath. You just need to pay one Egyptian
       Nov 17, 2004 @ 06:37 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16121. yachats or rostah cay Re: [BoundaryPoint] The easternmost point in Europe
       yachats or still its rostah cay hotdang too beautiful a beach day to leave yet & thanx for the muir probability mike i am paying attention for at least it
       Nov 17, 2004 @ 21:35 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16122. GSEEBE expedition itinerary in file section of BP!
       This is to inform you that the itinerary for next year s GSEEBE Great South Eastern Europ. Border Exped. has been added into the file section of BP... any
       Nov 17, 2004 @ 22:27 - Peter Hering (Peter Hering <hering@...>)
16123. yachats or rostah cay Re: [BoundaryPoint] The easternmost point in Europe
       hey if having a sea level canal did make you incontinent ahem or should i say excreted you from your former continent just to tidy up the previous euphemism &
       Nov 17, 2004 @ 23:56 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16124. Anniversary of incontinence
       The Suez Canal opened 135 years ago today, November 17, 1869. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA
       Nov 18, 2004 @ 02:33 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16125. RE: Text message
       
       Nov 18, 2004 @ 18:08 - Eefberns ("Eefberns" <eefberns@grenspalen.nl>)
16126. waldport or Re: GSEEBE expedition itinerary in file section of BP!
       beauty pete i just ate the whole thing this morning & it looks like all the world class leaders will be cranking well into their 30s of tricountry points by
       Nov 18, 2004 @ 18:56 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16127. Re: Anniversary of incontinence
       shit that means we missed the 86ing by a perfect 49 years & yikes thats almost exactly as prefigured & contained in your 71496 too yikes is that actually your
       Nov 18, 2004 @ 19:29 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16128. Udmurtskaya Respublika
       Where is the autonomous RSFR Udmurtskaya Respublika gone? On a pre-1990 atlas I have seen her last. The atlas of THE TIMES of 2003 does not show her anymore;
       Nov 18, 2004 @ 19:57 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16129. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Anniversary of incontinence
       71496 was the zip code for my post office box when I got the e-mail address. MSN automatically suggested my surname with a three digit number attached, so I
       Nov 18, 2004 @ 20:02 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16130. yachats or again
       of course my rogue sawanabori will be artificial & less than superficial & indeed merely pontificial in that it will only try to make every bridge roughly 3
       Nov 18, 2004 @ 23:08 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16131. bill burke at germany/belguim/netherlands tri point
       Following my e mail re Mike and Doug photos, I include myself at this famous tripoint. As Neutral Morenet,runs from this point, was this the only four
       Nov 19, 2004 @ 08:10 - Bill Burke ("Bill Burke" <billb@lvstc.org.uk>)
16132. Re: [BoundaryPoint] bill burke at germany/belguim/netherlands tri point
       hi, a picture of me in campione: http://www.home.pages.at/maxifant/Frames/cam-map.jpg hm, im on the left side... regards, chris ... From: Bill Burke To:
       Nov 19, 2004 @ 09:22 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
16133. RE: SA(4.2)=> Re: [BoundaryPoint] bill burke at germany/belguim/netherlands tri point
       CHRIS, YOU MUST BE THE INVISABLE MAN, ALL I GET IS A MAP!!! ________________________________ From: chris schulz [mailto:23568@gmx.de] Sent: 19 November 2004
       Nov 19, 2004 @ 10:22 - Bill Burke ("Bill Burke" <billb@...>)
16134. Re: SA(4.2)=> Re: [BoundaryPoint] bill burke at germany/belguim/netherlands tri point
       yes, the glass is like a mirror, so i can be seen very fine (is this the right expression in this context?), holding my camera, wearing a white shirt. my size
       Nov 19, 2004 @ 11:00 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
16135. oops important multipointing corrections Re: yachats or again
       ... silly of me to have forgotten us2wv3grprtu already aka the grant preston tucker tricounty point of west virginia at the fairfax stone & potomac headspring
       Nov 19, 2004 @ 18:34 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16136. cay to shining key liftoff set for this weekend
       can now report that the sawanabori of the rogue will indeed begin this sunday with toe twinkle tries at both dimples of its mouth in the pacific near gold
       Nov 19, 2004 @ 19:37 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16137. Border X-files
       BY border marker to the right But whats the thing to the left? Jesper
       Nov 19, 2004 @ 22:10 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
16138. Re: What is a continent?
       ... thinking. funny you should say this since i know for some of us the very pursuit of multidimensional reality itself already revolutionizes thinking but do
       Nov 19, 2004 @ 22:41 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16139. Re: [BoundaryPoint] GSEEBE expedition itinerary in file section of BP!
       Right, now how come you re leaving out tripoints like BG-MK-SR/MN, AL-MK-SR/MN or the southern CR-BiH-SR/MN. To me, they are on the more or less same route. I
       Nov 20, 2004 @ 00:14 - Petter Brabec (Petter Brabec <pete2784west@...>)
16140. yachats or yet another hurrah & a fresh start too
       directly following this posting i will be concluding my endless high preparations here at perpetua haute prep & will in fact be taking leave at last of this my
       Nov 20, 2004 @ 18:42 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16141. gold beach or
       have already visited both dimples of the rogue mouth & of course crossed the first bridge too but this the only library in many miles will be closing in
       Nov 21, 2004 @ 00:42 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16142. Re: Udmurtskaya Respublika
       not really our strong suit not even of our russian experts frankly but gwillim law has a site & periodical that faithfully keeps track of & updates such things
       Nov 21, 2004 @ 00:53 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16143. cantact info was Re: [BoundaryPoint] cay to shining key liftoff set for this weekend
       Mike if you want to reach Martin - here is his email (see link). I would also like to see what research was made on this front.
       Nov 21, 2004 @ 01:19 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
16144. Re: GSEEBE expedition itinerary in file section of BP!
       Easy, Petter. If we had TWO more weeks - and more money - we would of course attack all these tripoints en route...BUT: Since border spotting keeps all of us
       Nov 21, 2004 @ 09:01 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
16145. yikes gold hill again
       made the second bridge near lobster creek around mile 10 at dusk last night & had another moment of truth do i continue onward & upward & thus invent nocturnal
       Nov 21, 2004 @ 16:42 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16146. India-Pakistan border
       Nice story on India-Pakistan: http://www.frontlineonnet.com/fl1819/18191290.htm Doug ... Be sure to visit the BorderFilmsStore!
       Nov 23, 2004 @ 05:18 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
16147. Andy of HoboTraveler.com Enters
       Hello, I am Andy of HoboTraveler.com I have been traveling for 8 years and am presently trying to learn how to go from Morocco to Egypt by land though
       Nov 23, 2004 @ 14:15 - Andy HoboTraveler.com ("Andy HoboTraveler.com" <hoboontheroad@...>)
16150. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Andy of HoboTraveler.com Enters
       TRAVEL to South America or Asia... Europe is not the best place to learn how to think internationally. This statement of yours has aroused my interest. Write
       Nov 23, 2004 @ 14:50 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16151. Reason for Entenpfuhl
       Hello fans, This will be my last question for a while, and the most difficult: What is the reason for the Entenpfuhl enclave? Some of you will know it is the
       Nov 23, 2004 @ 15:44 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16152. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Andy of HoboTraveler.com Enters
       About international thinking / Living: Here is a link to an edition of the german journal international living about enclaves (in a tax context):
       Nov 23, 2004 @ 16:08 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
16153. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Andy of HoboTraveler.com Enters
       What our new friend Andy of HoboTraveler.com believes international thinking is, is shown in his fundamental in-depth analysis of Europe, taken from his
       Nov 23, 2004 @ 17:32 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16154. Andy / Morroco to Egypt by Land
       Hello, Maybe I am on the wrong list, but I am hoping this is a newsletter about the research of border, fronteras, or how two countries meet or do not meet. I
       Nov 23, 2004 @ 17:49 - Andy HoboTraveler.com ("Andy HoboTraveler.com" <hoboontheroad@...>)
16155. winnemucca nv Re: Andy / Morroco to Egypt by Land
       hi andy you are fine it is just that we were originally & for a long time a multipointing society & used to actually report on our mini expeditions to places
       Nov 23, 2004 @ 21:02 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16156. carson city nv
       tried the calystwa tertiary quadripoint aka carson independent city with lyon & storey & washoe counties in the wee hours last night without a map at around
       Nov 24, 2004 @ 16:48 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16157. Re: carson city nv
       walked miles & luckily hitchhiked some rather than drive the worst part again & finally had to bushwhack & scramble straight up for it but undoubtedly found
       Nov 24, 2004 @ 20:41 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16158. Vennbahn enclaves
       My understanding of this is that Belgium wanted the railway and all land in between. Germany didn t want to give up any land. After long arguments and
       Nov 24, 2004 @ 22:13 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
16159. African border crossings.
       I recommend investing in a travel guide such as Lonely Planet s North Africa or Africa titles for details on visas/borders. Otherwise check with embassies
       Nov 24, 2004 @ 22:19 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
16160. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Vennbahn enclaves
       Pretty good, Brendan. With the uninhabited/inhabited distinction I am coming closer to the solution, but you are right: The minutes of the negotiations would
       Nov 25, 2004 @ 07:10 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16161. RE: AW: [BoundaryPoint] Vennbahn enclaves
       Have anybody in this group ever found minutes of negotations of border treaties? I have tried with the DEDK 1920 border, but have only found archives of
       Nov 25, 2004 @ 08:07 - jesniel@image.dk (jesniel@...)
16162. Andy reference African border crossings.
       Hello, I was hoping this newsletter was a specialist on borders, I seem to be in the wrong letter. I am very familiar with the Thontree, used while I waz in
       Nov 25, 2004 @ 10:18 - Andy HoboTraveler.com ("Andy HoboTraveler.com" <hoboontheroad@...>)
16163. Softree freeware "Terrain Tools" map maker
       This freeware map making program may be interest to some. Has anyone tried this? (I could have missed a discussion here.) Terrain
       Nov 25, 2004 @ 12:17 - Ron McConnell ("Ron McConnell" <rcmcc@...>)
16164. NH quintpoint was Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: carson city nv
       Nice And you remind me of a quest of a couple of yrs. ago when I sought out a point which to this day I am not sure if I made class A or E (but it was one of
       Nov 25, 2004 @ 18:52 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
16165. Another new border book
       ... Thomas Lundén s On the boundary. About humans at the end of territory , 232 pages ISBN 91-89315-42-1 has been published by Sodertorn University
       Nov 26, 2004 @ 02:22 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
16166. Minutes & records
       Belgium and Netherlands found some minutes of meetings regarding Baarle from the 1840s boundary commission. These were presented at the ICJ case in the late
       Nov 26, 2004 @ 02:40 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
16167. [Fwd: other geographical questions]
       Go morgen fra DK - er der nogen der gider/gillar svare vores Liverpool ven...? :-) go weekend ! Pjotr de bedste hilsener best regards mit freundlichen
       Nov 26, 2004 @ 05:03 - Peter Hering (Peter Hering <hering@...>)
16168. Re: [Fwd: other geographical questions]
       Sorry this mail being sent in some exotic language..:-) is there anybody willing to answer Daniel from Liverpool? thanks! Peter H. ... which I ... point in ...
       Nov 26, 2004 @ 05:36 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
16169. st george ut Re: [Fwd: other geographical questions]
       yes willing pete but not yet really able to communicate normally so please continue to bear with me indeed today i am more or less out there with andy of
       Nov 26, 2004 @ 17:59 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16170. Zoomable picture N-S Korea
       http://www.space.com/php/multimedia/zoomviewer/index.php?display_img=panmunjon Does anybody have the knowledge to identify the building with the famous border
       Nov 28, 2004 @ 13:59 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16171. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Zoomable picture N-S Korea
       I can t see the zoomable picture due to bandwidth issues, but there are maps of Panmunjom at http://www.lifeinkorea.com/Images/dmz/pmj095.jpg and
       Nov 28, 2004 @ 14:27 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16172. flagstaff az
       my approach to azconmut thru sunny zion & snowy bryce & the wilds of southern utah including some pretty hairy stream fords on the already muddy burr trail &
       Nov 28, 2004 @ 20:33 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16173. [Fwd: A New Country]
       New Seeland has been born. It s on a ship. See the article attached (through Gmane - or email me for a copy if you can t get to Gmane. Season s Greetings to
       Nov 28, 2004 @ 17:22 - lnadybal (lnadybal <lnadybal@...>)
16174. Geography questions
       ... I would guess chile: long and thin, with lots of coastal islands. But any island archipelago country (indonesia? philippines, kiribati) would do well.
       Nov 28, 2004 @ 22:43 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
16175. Re: [Fwd: other geographical questions]
       ... yes pete & finally a real opportunity to do so too tho i am actually answering him from northern arizona university & at a free computer yet which i just
       Nov 28, 2004 @ 22:46 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16176. Re: Geography questions
       what fun to come in 3 minutes apart after 2 days answering all the same questions & i agree with all you say except as noted below ... kiribati) would ...
       Nov 28, 2004 @ 22:56 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16177. Re: Andy reference African border crossings.
       well goodbye then andy & be sure to come back when you can especially with any tripointing reports from out there in africa or asia it is not every day that we
       Nov 28, 2004 @ 23:14 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16178. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Geography questions
       I ll be the first to admit this is a rather pedantic point, but wouldn t the coastline to square root of area ratio be a better metric since it is
       Nov 29, 2004 @ 05:42 - Eric Choate (Eric Choate <choatune@...>)
16179. Re: Zoomable picture N-S Korea
       ... famous border through table? ...
       Nov 29, 2004 @ 13:31 - nj55er ("nj55er" <spookymike@...>)
16180. wickenburg az
       must report i blew off the sedona anodes vortexes tries in progressive stages last night as i slid down from flagstaff toward phoenix 1 rest area at a time
       Nov 29, 2004 @ 18:02 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16181. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Zoomable picture N-S Korea
       How far into N Korea in the bulding are you allowed to walk? Jesper ... From: nj55er To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 2:31 PM
       Nov 29, 2004 @ 20:09 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16182. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Zoomable picture N-S Korea
       i was there in the early 1990s. the border bisects each building with about 10 x 10 area on each side of the line. at least when i was there, one was free to
       Nov 29, 2004 @ 20:51 - Beckett, Bob ("Beckett, Bob" <bob.beckett@...>)
16183. Villalibre sin Jurisdicción
       Hello all, On my travels through the Galician mountains I came to the town of Ponferrada. A few kilometres southwest of Ponferrada - I could not believe my own
       Nov 29, 2004 @ 20:42 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16184. Re: Villalibre sin Jurisdicción
       You mean Villalibre DE LA Juriscicción ... http://www.cerespain.com/priaranza_del_bierzo.html
       Nov 29, 2004 @ 23:58 - quadernet ("quadernet" <quadernet@...>)
16185. Re: Villalibre sin Jurisdicción
       You mean Villalibre de la Jurisdicción ? http://www.cerespain.com/priaranza_del_bierzo.html
       Nov 30, 2004 @ 00:07 - quadernet ("quadernet" <quadernet@...>)
16186. Re: Zoomable picture N-S Korea
       The microphone cables go right on the border. The flags at both end of the table are on the border. One flag on one end is on a pole deliberately slightly
       Nov 30, 2004 @ 00:39 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
16187. Exclave in Africa
       Have we covered a Portuguese place called Ajuda in Dahomey? I was reviewing Catudal s Stainstuecken book and came across a footnote mentioning it. Len
       Nov 30, 2004 @ 00:44 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
16188. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Exclave in Africa
       Hi Len, http://www.home.pages.at/maxifant/Frames/Jo%E3o-Baptista-de-Ajuda.htm it was annexed by Dahomey/Benin in 1961, but Portugal accepted this only in 1985.
       Nov 30, 2004 @ 04:23 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@gmx.de>)
16189. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Villalibre sin Jurisdicción
       First, muchas gracias. Yes, you are right: de la , not sin . Anyway, the meaning is the same. And still there is no explanation for the name: ?Porque no
       Nov 30, 2004 @ 08:51 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16190. New international tp?
       The Ukraine province of Donetsk may want to go independent: http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2004/11/30/012.html That would make a new European tripoint,
       Nov 30, 2004 @ 18:54 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16191. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New international tp?
       Not neccessarily, they may choose to go into the union with Russia! Petter Jesper Nielsen wrote: The Ukraine province of Donetsk may want to
       Nov 30, 2004 @ 21:46 - Petter Brabec (Petter Brabec <pete2784west@...>)
16192. Re: Villalibre sin Jurisdicción
       I suppose that free is about the town, not about the jurisdiction. So, the correct translation would be free town into the jurisdiction , and not town free
       Nov 30, 2004 @ 23:04 - marcelmiquelcat ("marcelmiquelcat" <marcelmiquel@...>)
16193. Ouidah
       I have a 1MB scan of the city, showing the fort, from a recent 1:25,000 map. Email me separately if you want me to send it to you. ... Brendan Whyte
       Dec 01, 2004 @ 01:51 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
16194. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Villalibre sin Jurisdicción
       The proper translation of the Spanish is Freetown of the Jurisdiction, not Town Free of the Jurisdiction. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ...
       Dec 01, 2004 @ 03:49 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16195. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Villalibre sin Jurisdicción
       Marcel and Lowell: Thank you for the correct translation. On the one side you are absolutely right and what you say sounds perfectly reasonable, on the other
       Dec 01, 2004 @ 08:30 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16196. cornered & now buckeye az
       youve just enjoyed my successive blown tries to send messages from the jeddito & hopiland claves & likewise my latest vortex nonvisit to the sedona anodes so
       Dec 01, 2004 @ 21:25 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16197. Ajuda - Cabinda & Neutral Zone
       I just posted three photos to the Neutral Zones and new Africa Enclaves folders in the BPt Photos accumulation - a. Photo of the Portuguese fort at Ajuda,
       Dec 02, 2004 @ 01:23 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
16198. Re: [BoundaryPoint] cornered & now buckeye az
       The reason for the name of Salome, Arizona, can be found at http://www.azoutback.com/salome.htm . Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA
       Dec 02, 2004 @ 03:04 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16199. mesa az Re: cornered & now buckeye az
       thanx good links too & i must also report in morning light or actually afternoon light by now that it is not necessarily so easy to stop trying so i will
       Dec 02, 2004 @ 19:54 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16200. chandler az
       fantastic news just heard from rob & we are discussing an aznmso & yikes even a chnmso try it is just talk so far as i think the border dogs must be pretty
       Dec 03, 2004 @ 17:35 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16201. chnmso
       surprisingly both the 24k & 100k scale usgs topos at topozone both dated 1983 show a mxus2chnmso tristate point about 12 miles east of aznmso between features
       Dec 03, 2004 @ 18:21 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16202. buckeye az again Re: chnmso & aznmso aka aznmmex
       while i have inadvertently but actually circled phoenix more email has come evidently from rob &or an associate offlist again but of considerable multipointing
       Dec 04, 2004 @ 17:32 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16203. Site on border stations
       http://www.bueker.net/trainspotting/stations.php
       Dec 04, 2004 @ 17:57 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16204. Re: [BoundaryPoint] chnmso
       Mike, I have good news and bad news. The good news is that all of my older Mexican maps agree with your specified location for the CHNMSO tripoint, and there
       Dec 04, 2004 @ 18:46 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16205. Re: chnmso
       ahh lowell but it is all great news really for one thing i had already surmised as much as you have demonstrated as you probably realized also from previous
       Dec 04, 2004 @ 21:23 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16206. litchfield park az
       haha well in fact i am not out of time this time nor apparently anywheres near it but the 5 bucks i just paid to play here evidently keeps working for me all
       Dec 04, 2004 @ 22:11 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16207. Re: Exclave in Africa
       ... not yet but how would we cover it & what with looks like it had united jewish appeal either way tho but how did the footnote cover it i mean just for
       Dec 04, 2004 @ 22:44 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16208. Re: Villalibre sin Jurisdicción
       ... absolutely ... have my ... may have ... to the ... never give up ah yes wolfgang i am glad you have mentioned this again as it reminds me to remind you not
       Dec 04, 2004 @ 23:31 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16209. Re: Exclave in Africa
       ... I don t know. Got any suggestions? Think outside the box. ... Too near fetched to be understood. Pls clarify. ... It didn t cover it. As I wrote, it
       Dec 05, 2004 @ 00:15 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
16210. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Villalibre sin Jurisdicción
       Dear Aletheiak, as far as Villalibre with or without jurisdiction goes, I have written a perfect Spanish 3-sentence letter in the meantime to the Muy estimado
       Dec 05, 2004 @ 08:51 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16211. Re: Exclave in Africa
       ... ... well actually i was doing just that len & hoped youd see it too without further suggestion for i if not we have in fact now already
       Dec 05, 2004 @ 20:36 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16212. Re: AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Villalibre sin Jurisdicción
       Wolfgang Schaub wrote: Dear Aletheiak, extracts for emphasis if I ever manage to publish part of my stories - I have now 65
       Dec 05, 2004 @ 21:14 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16213. surprise
       no joke surprise arizona is really the name of this place but whats this http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=12&n=3764749&e=284452&datum=nad83 & please zoom out
       Dec 05, 2004 @ 22:27 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16214. Re: [BoundaryPoint] surprise
       Mike D., La Paz County (according to its official web site at http://www.co.la-paz.az.us/ ) was formed on January 1, 1983. It was part of Yuma County prior to
       Dec 06, 2004 @ 00:36 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16215. Re: [BoundaryPoint] surprise
       When I wrote about double printing of the red township numbers, I meant section numbers. As soon as I awoke this morning, this error came to mind. I ve
       Dec 06, 2004 @ 13:35 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16216. Re: surprise
       ... meant ... known how ... it s ... was part of ... monuments shown on ... boundary. It is a ... the same cut ... line. Proof ... numbers 31 ... vintage,
       Dec 06, 2004 @ 16:48 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16217. borders with left lane and right lane traffic
       hello, did we ever treat the subject of borders where they drive on the opposite of the road, and I mean dry borders ? I found a list where this is the case:
       Dec 06, 2004 @ 20:15 - kahbeh2000 ("kahbeh2000" <kahbeh@...>)
16218. borders with left lane and right lane traffic (II)
       hello again, on another note, not everyone is traeting us border-freaks as serious, pls. see the autentic dialog that I copied from a newsgroup related site:
       Dec 06, 2004 @ 20:17 - kahbeh2000 ("kahbeh2000" <kahbeh@...>)
16219. Re: [BoundaryPoint] borders with left lane and right lane traffic
       I think the problem here is that these may not busy borders. Perhaps except HK-China. Others? Jesper ... From: kahbeh2000 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
       Dec 06, 2004 @ 20:49 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16220. AW: [BoundaryPoint] borders with left lane and right lane traffic (II)
       Had we not had the Fuehrer, Austria still would drive on the left hand s side. This was one of the benefits Adolf brought to this part of the world in 1938.
       Dec 06, 2004 @ 20:49 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16221. Re: [BoundaryPoint] borders with left lane and right lane traffic
       The monumental, definitive, and exhaustive resource on this topic is found at http://www.brianlucas.ca/roadside/ . Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA
       Dec 06, 2004 @ 23:14 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16222. Re: borders with left lane and right lane traffic
       ... hi yes we did treat it early on if thats what we did with it http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/506 where be sure to click on the link
       Dec 07, 2004 @ 02:59 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16223. Re: borders with left lane and right lane traffic (II)
       Imagine the chaos on the Rossfeldstr which passes over the D-A (or is it the D-Ö) border above Berchtesgaden four times in a couple of km. Imagine the fight
       Dec 07, 2004 @ 03:31 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
16224. fresh algatn report by new players on a 7 point roll
       http://www.network54.com/Forum/thread?forumid=3897&messageid=1095860422 ... Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more.
       Dec 07, 2004 @ 03:42 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16225. Re: borders with left lane and right lane traffic
       The list includes Bhutan-China - there are no motorable roads between the two, only paths. It is illegal to cross that border - and at 20,000 feet elevation
       Dec 07, 2004 @ 03:44 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
16226. Re: [BoundaryPoint] fresh algatn report by new players on a 7 point roll
       The link does not work. Can you double-check it, please? Thanks. Lowell ... From: aletheia kallos To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 06,
       Dec 07, 2004 @ 03:45 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16227. Re: fresh algatn report by new players on a 7 point roll
       yikes it still works even now here in surprise but i think the roads must be dry enough now too for me to make at least a probe toward lamaya if only to get a
       Dec 07, 2004 @ 17:32 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16228. rule of the road
       ... but the US forces NZers to drive on the right in the Ross Dependency, because their research base has more vehicles than the NZ base... As for HK-China,
       Dec 07, 2004 @ 23:20 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
16229. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: fresh algatn report by new players on a 7 point roll
       Yes, it works now from here too, but it didn t last night. Ah, the vicissitudes of the web! We actually have roadrunners here in western Louisiana! They beep
       Dec 07, 2004 @ 23:51 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16230. Re: rule of the road
       Is that the reason the public was given in NZ? Here I heard it was that the U.S. didn t recognize any sovereign claims in Antarctica, ergo, no road rules,
       Dec 08, 2004 @ 00:15 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
16231. Re: AW: [BoundaryPoint] borders with left lane and right lane traffic (II)
       Does anyone know when and why the U.S. switched (if it switched at all) from riding on the left to riding on the right. I can only assume that the U.S. once
       Dec 08, 2004 @ 00:55 - DougS78864@aol.com (DougS78864@...)
16232. Re: fresh algatn report by new players on a 7 point roll
       haha well i had a beepin day all day tho i have only a few minutes to begin to tell you about it from here in wickenburg but in a nutshell as far as i can & to
       Dec 08, 2004 @ 01:52 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16233. Re: AW: [BoundaryPoint] borders with left lane and right lane traffic (II)
       The site at http://www.brianlucas.ca/roadside/ has some comments and speculation on this question. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From:
       Dec 08, 2004 @ 03:41 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16234. lamaya etc was Re: fresh algatn report by new players on a 7 point roll
       ok back in surprise already but before continuing i should insert for location & orientation to the eagle eye
       Dec 08, 2004 @ 03:51 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16235. Re: [BoundaryPoint] rule of the road
       Brendan, ... Surely as the US does not recognise any territorial claims in Antarctica, then they would not recognise New Zealand s jurisdiction in such matters
       Dec 08, 2004 @ 10:08 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
16236. lamaya etc part 3 was Re: fresh algatn report by new players on a 7 point roll
       & what a rush to find santa himself visiting the surprise library this morning in the middle of my report & to be cosmically forced by the overflow crowd into
       Dec 08, 2004 @ 19:17 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16237. Re: AW: [BoundaryPoint] borders with left lane and right lane traffic (II)
       Another web site with an explanation about the U.S. and right-hand driving. http://users.pandora.be/worldstandards/driving%20on%20the%20left.htm
       Dec 08, 2004 @ 21:02 - Len Levin (Len Levin <levinlen@...>)
16238. Re: [BoundaryPoint] lamaya etc conclusion was Re: fresh algatn report by new players on a 7 point roll
       all right i can save this text now in case i am rebooted again so i trust this will definitely be the final episode after the discovery of the probable double
       Dec 08, 2004 @ 21:32 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16239. US imposes its rules in Ross Dependency
       ... That s the reason i read in a recent (journalistic) article. ... But they re happy to use Ross Dependency stamps to send mail home...
       Dec 08, 2004 @ 22:14 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
16240. Re: [BoundaryPoint] lamaya etc conclusion was Re: fresh algatn report by new players on a 7 point roll
       ... I concur in part and dissent in part. (I ve always wanted to say that!) Arizona Revised Statutes specify the boundary between La Paz County and its
       Dec 08, 2004 @ 23:28 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16241. lamaya etc conclusion was Re: fresh algatn report by new players on a 7 point roll
       comments hastily inserted as the library is closing ... have initialized ... border marking sense ... marker ... set exactly on the 34th parallel ... that!)
       Dec 09, 2004 @ 03:49 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16242. Re: [BoundaryPoint] lamaya etc conclusion was Re: fresh algatn report by new players on a 7 point roll
       Please see my five numbered insertions below. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: aletheiak To:
       Dec 09, 2004 @ 05:28 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16243. Administrative levels
       Can anyone help Tsering? If so email him direct. Thanks Brendan
       Dec 09, 2004 @ 06:22 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
16244. Re: [BoundaryPoint] lamaya etc conclusion was Re: fresh algatn report by new players on a 7 point roll
       Lowell G. McManus wrote: Please see my five numbered insertions below. done & please see my several lettered ones too now somewhat
       Dec 09, 2004 @ 20:01 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16245. Map of Verenahof
       I just stumbled upon this map where the former exclave Verenahof in Switzerland near Büsingen is visible (just).
       Dec 09, 2004 @ 22:01 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
16246. Re: Map of Verenahof
       ... ahh thank goodness you are ok then & if it is so visible then why & how did you stumble upon it & where the heck is it anyway or did you want us to stumble
       Dec 09, 2004 @ 22:41 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16247. border prayers & double standard claims denied between chocolate & vanilla areas
       http://allafrica.com/stories/200412090359.html
       Dec 09, 2004 @ 23:23 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16248. more peculiar maricopa & atwood survey findings
       my ongoing try for a first arizona tricounty point visit class a has settled on & continues to focus on maricopa county because of her relatively high
       Dec 10, 2004 @ 03:11 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16249. Re: [BoundaryPoint] lamaya etc conclusion was Re: fresh algatn report by new players on a 7 point roll
       Mike D., Rather than further clutter the below with insertions, I will reply up here with responses lettered according to your lettered insertions. A. I m
       Dec 10, 2004 @ 03:30 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16250. Re: [BoundaryPoint] more peculiar maricopa & atwood survey findings
       Yikes! I was unaware of the possibly Atwoodian jog. I ll check it out. As for the lack of any Atwood monuments, their absence on the USGS maps does not prove
       Dec 10, 2004 @ 03:51 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16251. Re: [BoundaryPoint] more peculiar maricopa & atwood survey findings
       The wording of the statutes don t allow for any offset at Maricopa-Pima-Yuma: Commencing at a point where the meridian line one hundred thirteen degrees
       Dec 10, 2004 @ 05:00 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16252. lamaya etc conclusion was Re: fresh algatn report by new players on a 7 point roll
       ... you thought initially that the Initial Monument might have been Atwood s initial point. I though that you understood it to be Thompson s, and that s why
       Dec 10, 2004 @ 20:44 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16253. correction re lamaya etc conclusion was Re: fresh algatn report
       ... that ... issues ... to- ... monuments ... atwood ... 1924 ... establish ... rocks ... was ... Maria ... that ... miles ... of ... is ... boundary ... oops
       Dec 10, 2004 @ 20:58 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16254. Re: [BoundaryPoint] lamaya etc conclusion was Re: fresh algatn report by new players on a 7 point roll
       We re never going to solve these mysteries. Possible explanations are the best we can do. I ve given some, and so have you. Either, both, or neither of us
       Dec 10, 2004 @ 22:44 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16255. another correction re lamaya etc conclusion was Re: fresh algatn report
       ... lasted ... out ... in ... north- ... statutory ... and ... whereof ... to ... these ... other ... and ... their ... Swilling ... revision ... It ...
       Dec 10, 2004 @ 23:24 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16256. Principal Meridian Project
       Hello, My name is John Shankland and I have an interest in the principal meridians of the United States and other land surveying points in the world. I found
       Dec 11, 2004 @ 17:17 - Shankland(Train) ("Shankland\(Train\)" <shankland@...>)
16257. Re: Principal Meridian Project
       wonderful stuff john thank you & best wishes & i can & will chime in on 3 or 4 more of these points if you like tho not in the format you are asking for & i
       Dec 11, 2004 @ 18:13 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16258. Fwd: Re: Please fwd to bp (tried
       Note: forwarded message attached. ... Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. 9788860210@vtext.com wrote: Please fwd to bp (tried
       Dec 11, 2004 @ 18:15 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16259. Changes at the SMOM
       Linn s Stamp News (Sydney, Ohio) reports in its Nov 29 edition that the SMOM has signed a 10-year postal agreement with Italy that takes effect on January 1,
       Dec 11, 2004 @ 18:58 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
16260. prescott az
       seeking more data on the 1918 atwood 113d20m survey by means of which to resolve the outstanding mysteries of the initial monument near lamaya & of the jog
       Dec 12, 2004 @ 00:14 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16261. Arizona West of the Colorado River
       I have now looked at Yahoo maps and mapquest and they both showed the same thing... part of Arizona near Yuma is west of the Colorado River. Here is a map:
       Dec 12, 2004 @ 04:51 - deutsche_kilr ("deutsche_kilr" <deutsche_kilr@...>)
16262. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Arizona West of the Colorado River
       The current AZCA boundary has been reduced to a series of stepped surveyed lines across a former Colorado River meander about four miles in diameter called
       Dec 12, 2004 @ 07:30 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16263. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Changes at the SMOM
       Greetings back and thanks for the news. But one question remains for me, stupid, Euro: What is VPP mail? I have searched for VPP in Google and have produced
       Dec 12, 2004 @ 10:27 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16264. Once again: Seborga
       On the top of Seborga s highest peak, the Monte Carparo, over which also the border runs between Seborga and the neighboring community to the East, I found a
       Dec 12, 2004 @ 10:40 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@cro-contracts.com>)
16265. RGS-IBG 2005 conference session call for papers
       
       Dec 12, 2004 @ 22:57 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
16266. Cooch Behar and Baarle enclave books
       My book on the cooch Behar enclave Waiting for the Esquimo has been reprinted due to popular demand. (and includes an updated 22pp addenda including the full
       Dec 13, 2004 @ 00:06 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
16267. sedona az
       additional reflections on atwood 1918 a likely reason he evidently placed markers only between mapiyu & lamaya or in other words only along the maricopa border
       Dec 13, 2004 @ 00:11 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16268. Re: Arizona West of the Colorado River
       also i just noticed this month that there is a bit of transcolorado arizona near cibola south of ehrenberg ... surveyed lines ... diameter called The ... as
       Dec 13, 2004 @ 00:20 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16269. Re: [BoundaryPoint] sedona az
       ... According to the Sedona Historical Society web site at http://www.sedonamuseum.org/sedona.html , when Sedona Miller Schnebly was born in 1877 in Gorin,
       Dec 13, 2004 @ 01:02 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16270. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Arizona West of the Colorado River
       That s the result of a channelization that artificially relocated the river eastward but not the boundary. There s also a natural meander cut-off just north
       Dec 13, 2004 @ 01:12 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16271. AW: [BoundaryPoint] sedona az
       No idea what the name Sedona means . No idea either. But Schnebly has a meaning: The little neb. Somehow, you Anglosaxons have lost the sch in front of neb,
       Dec 13, 2004 @ 08:49 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16272. Re: [BoundaryPoint] sedona az
       For other American Anglophones who are as confused as I was: With three university degrees, I had no clue as to what a neb was until I looked it up. It
       Dec 13, 2004 @ 14:18 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16273. AW: [BoundaryPoint] sedona az
       I used neb to indicate that we are all speaking dialects of the same language: Sch - nab - el, Sch - neb - ly, the little Schnabel, the Schnaeblein, better
       Dec 13, 2004 @ 15:54 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16274. paleo lamaya initial monument & mapiyu corner cases closed i think
       aha it turns out there actually was a yuma county vs maricopa county 1918 border suit so the accumulated puzzle pieces now strongly suggest that it was the
       Dec 13, 2004 @ 21:35 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16275. sedona az free public library now
       have completed my first peeks at all 4 purportedly major sedona vortexes all are at spectacular locations that fill you with wonder & delight anyway & theres
       Dec 13, 2004 @ 23:02 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16276. Re: Arizona West of the Colorado River
       but the rechannelization is not really transcoloradan is it whereas the natural avulsion truly is ... the river ... off just ... transcolorado
       Dec 13, 2004 @ 23:12 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16277. Re: Once again: Seborga
       as our resident expert on seborga & philology etc should you now or ever be able to shed any light the question of whether there is any basis in fact for the
       Dec 13, 2004 @ 23:20 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16278. Re: sedona az
       ... etc & you are surprised you are so confused & clueless despite having so much conventional learning to flaunt & trust is that what you mean
       Dec 14, 2004 @ 00:54 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16279. Re: sedona az free public library now
       whoops neither of these x marks the spot tries actually worked this female one should be at the most protruding point of the belly ... & this balancing one
       Dec 14, 2004 @ 01:12 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16280. Re: [BoundaryPoint] paleo lamaya initial monument & mapiyu corner cases closed i think
       Great digging, Mike! I agree with almost all of your conclusions, particularly your new interpretation of the Initial Monument having been Atwood s--in
       Dec 14, 2004 @ 01:25 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16281. alethejak
       Who are you?
       Dec 14, 2004 @ 07:00 - deutsche_kilr ("deutsche_kilr" <deutsche_kilr@...>)
16282. Mlini: Disputed hamlets HRSI
       Does anybody have a detailed map showing the disputed area: http://www.aimpress.ch/dyn/trae/archive/data/200012/01231-002-trae-lju.htm Jesper
       Dec 14, 2004 @ 17:53 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16283. Re: paleo lamaya initial monument & mapiyu corner cases closed i think
       thanx tho thats why i say as has been widely presumed for all the statutes you keep citing actually say is 113d20m as defined by the atwood survey etc which
       Dec 14, 2004 @ 17:53 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16284. Re: alethejak
       ... do you mean me aletheia kallos i am the roadrunner goddess of truth & beauty mike donner sometimes channels me whos yourself pal
       Dec 14, 2004 @ 18:09 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16285. Re: alethejak
       Yeah, sorry about that. My hands were wet, so naturally my right finger slipped. I mean, why are smuggling drugs over the border and living in a cave and
       Dec 14, 2004 @ 18:16 - deutsche_kilr ("deutsche_kilr" <deutsche_kilr@...>)
16286. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: paleo lamaya initial monument & mapiyu corner cases closed i think
       In this business, any interpretation is tentative (to one degree or another), pending the receipt of better data. Your conclusions regarding a virtual-only
       Dec 14, 2004 @ 18:30 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16287. Re: paleo lamaya initial monument & mapiyu corner cases closed i think
       but clearly on piyu either usgs mapping in all 3 scales as recently as 1990 is wrong or the latest revision of the arizona revised statutes is wrong but come
       Dec 14, 2004 @ 18:53 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16288. Re: Changes at the SMOM
       i see smom deified moms also http://www.un.org/womenwatch/daw/followup/beijing+5stat/statements/ma lt9.htm or maybe moms deified smom as well ... takes ... for
       Dec 14, 2004 @ 19:03 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16289. Re: Principal Meridian Project
       well john i just had a chance to dig up jacks & my bp messages on the salt lake & 6th principal meridians at least just for starters & they are
       Dec 14, 2004 @ 19:42 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16290. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Once again: Seborga
       Never heard. Please elucidate... Cast more light into the Seborgan darkness, please! Wolfgang ... Von: aletheiak [mailto:aletheiak@yahoo.com] Gesendet:
       Dec 14, 2004 @ 22:32 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16291. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: alethejak
       deutsche_kilr wrote: Yeah, sorry about that. My hands were wet, so naturally my right finger slipped. I mean, why are smuggling
       Dec 15, 2004 @ 00:15 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16292. Re: alethejak
       OK, let s just focus on one question at a time... do you smuggle drugs from Mex? ... and ... a cave & going to different libraries are existential
       Dec 15, 2004 @ 00:24 - deutsche_kilr ("deutsche_kilr" <deutsche_kilr@...>)
16293. Re: Once again: Seborga
       it is extremely rare & marvelous when a place name in any form spontaneously produces a complete reversal sentence in english or any other language & once such
       Dec 15, 2004 @ 00:49 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16294. GPS MAPPING COMES OF AGE
       From the gps-mapping group Ron McC. ... From: Ericpg [mailto:ericpg@gps-mapping.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 7:07 PM To: gps-mapping@yahoogroups.com
       Dec 15, 2004 @ 03:10 - Ron McConnell ("Ron McConnell" <rcmcc@...>)
16295. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: paleo lamaya initial monument & mapiyu corner cases closed i think
       I agree. One thing that we don t know is the date of the latest revision of the statutes relating to the Pima-Yuma boundary. They might have been revised
       Dec 15, 2004 @ 05:44 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16296. Re: alethejak
       Right... I usually don t complain about off-topic conversations and regard more or less everything having to do with boundaries and territorial questions as
       Dec 15, 2004 @ 11:02 - Anton Zeilinger ("Anton Zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
16297. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Udmurtskaya Respublika
       http://www.udm.ru/geograph.html ... ___________________________________________________________ Win a castle for NYE with your mates and Yahoo! Messenger
       Dec 15, 2004 @ 12:14 - Chai Lim (Chai Lim <lusatia@...>)
16298. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: alethejak
       thanks for your clear words, Anton. its the same, i thought, when i read the unacceptable mail of mr or mrs deutsche_kilr. if you are interested in stuff like
       Dec 15, 2004 @ 14:09 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
16299. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: alethejak
       I agree with Anton. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: Anton Zeilinger To:
       Dec 15, 2004 @ 15:37 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16300. Re: alethejak
       well my friend you have been called on this by several of our fellow members here & i say to them all as well as to you good point first things first why do
       Dec 15, 2004 @ 17:43 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16301. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Once again: Seborga
       Got it! ... Von: aletheiak [mailto:aletheiak@yahoo.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. Dezember 2004 01:50 An: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Betreff: [BoundaryPoint]
       Dec 15, 2004 @ 20:29 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16302. Sedonia - Schnebly
       We had cast an eye on Mrs. Sedonia Schnebly, and I had claimed she came from Switzerland - just because all those -ly are Swiss family names. There is a town
       Dec 15, 2004 @ 20:29 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16303. Mlini Slovene/Croat dishwasher (pa-)lather all washed up.
       From a Slovenian atlas: Atlas Slovenije , Lubljana, 1986, covering the country at 1:50,000 Note that there are TWO hamlets called Mlini shown, both on the
       Dec 15, 2004 @ 22:52 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@unimelb.edu.au>)
16304. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Sedonia - Schnebly
       It s a good theory, Wolfgang, but there is just one problem: Before she married Theodore Carlton Schnebly, her maiden name was Sedona Arabella Miller. Also,
       Dec 16, 2004 @ 00:55 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16305. Re: Sedonia - Schnebly
       so sedona schnebly had met her match & became the sitting woman of sitten how perfectly balanced just like my cosmic encounter with the md lady at the male
       Dec 16, 2004 @ 01:13 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16306. last best hope for an arizona tricounty needle in the haystack
       http://topozone.com/map.asp?z=12&n=3597453&e=386743 a new mini expedition sets out tomorrow for kaka ventana & mapipi with this topo in hand
       Dec 16, 2004 @ 02:07 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16307. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Sedonia - Schnebly
       How profane a solution to the mystery! All the Schnebly fantasy vanished, and this right before Chtistmas!! Wolfgang ... Von: Lowell G. McManus
       Dec 16, 2004 @ 08:45 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16308. Re: alethejak
       ... hahaha here it comes now ... good because theres really no topic here at bp my friend we only used to have a topic & it was multipointing indeed we used to
       Dec 16, 2004 @ 16:53 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16309. casa grande az kaka ventana & mapipi tries
       so devoid of signposts & directionals is the papago reservation that my first try for kaka went awry i thought in ventana or in a place i took to be ventana at
       Dec 17, 2004 @ 02:16 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16310. Re: [BoundaryPoint] casa grande az kaka ventana & mapipi tries
       ... The prevailing philosophy must be: Anyone who has any business going already knows the way. By the way, don t the Papago now call themselves and their
       Dec 17, 2004 @ 03:12 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16311. Aerial photos of Switzerland
       http://www.sanday.ch/ You can view aerial photos of any section ch border. Choose Luftbild from bottom menu. And have a joy! ... Najlepsze auto, najlepsze
       Dec 17, 2004 @ 13:15 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@...>)
16312. Re: casa grande az kaka ventana & mapipi tries
       ... going already knows the way. ... reservation Tohono O odham ? That s how it appears on all of my modern maps. ... indeed i was hastening to add just as
       Dec 17, 2004 @ 18:56 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16313. Re: Principal Meridian Project
       your coverage of the gila & salt river meridian & an arriving cool front have inspired me to come out of retirement & head downtown tonite both to stay warm &
       Dec 17, 2004 @ 22:47 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16314. litchfield park az
       the gila & salt river meridian initial point was visited by half moonlight last night tho i noted it is not really necessary to actually see the mountain one
       Dec 18, 2004 @ 16:59 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16315. Symbols on Seborga's Mt. Carparo
       Some days ago I raised the question what the symbols might mean on top of a rock on Seborga s highest mountain, Mt. Carparo (see attached). The solution is
       Dec 18, 2004 @ 21:10 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@cro-contracts.com>)
16316. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Principal Meridian Project
       Hi, Thanks for the references, however unfortunately yahoo has dropped all attachments to emails so the pictures are no longer there. I have somewhat of a
       Dec 19, 2004 @ 13:41 - Shankland(Train) ("Shankland\(Train\)" <shankland@...>)
16317. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Principal Meridian Project
       your coverage of the gila & salt river meridian & an arriving cool front have inspired me to come out of retirement & head downtown tonite both to stay warm &
       Dec 19, 2004 @ 13:43 - Shankland(Train) ("Shankland\(Train\)" <shankland@...>)
16318. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Principal Meridian Project
       Base Line Avenue in Apache Junction runs along the Gila and Salt River Base Line. Meridian Drive runs along the Maricopa-Pinal county boundary northward from
       Dec 19, 2004 @ 14:58 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16319. Re: [BoundaryPoint] borders with left lane and right lane traffic
       Here is an example of a left/right drive border. Note the sign: http://www.palinstravels.co.uk/photogallery.php?id=898 Jesper ... From: kahbeh2000 To:
       Dec 19, 2004 @ 19:50 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16320. Liechtenstein tripoints
       Some shots & maps from li tripoints (from www.sanday.ch) ... Najlepsze auto, najlepsze moto... http://link.interia.pl/f1841
       Dec 19, 2004 @ 20:49 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@interia.pl>)
16321. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Liechtenstein tripoints
       bravo artur thats our best atchlis visit ever it even looks like the photographer was standing or hovering directly above the target which we believe is
       Dec 20, 2004 @ 16:27 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16322. surprise az again Re: Principal Meridian Project
       ... area ... yes class a as subsequently reported in message 16314 & i can tell you it felt very much as it actually looks at your website in broad daylight
       Dec 20, 2004 @ 17:45 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16323. did i put you all to sleep
       silly of me but i am still on mini expedition as you know & even this late into the season yikes & from all appearances willy nilly yet holy moly but i just
       Dec 21, 2004 @ 17:48 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16324. Seborga medieval bordermark
       I have refined my petroglyph sketch taken on Monte Carparo (attached). Discussion with an expert has revealed it is a bordermark of 1338 or before. And the
       Dec 21, 2004 @ 18:05 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@cro-contracts.com>)
16325. Les Martelottes & Merry Christmas
       Switzerland again... It looks like house (farm) called Les Martelottes can by reachable only from Switzerland. Lengthwise Swiss borders you may often face
       Dec 21, 2004 @ 19:42 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@interia.pl>)
16326. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Les Martelottes & Merry Christmas
       It looks like... How about the way leading into the forest? There is too much shadow, and in the darkness we won t see anything. Light us a Christmas candle,
       Dec 21, 2004 @ 21:23 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16327. Re: Seborga medieval bordermark
       if he really is an expert as well as correct & the border really is a real border then that is an impressively early date for a working border marker for leads
       Dec 21, 2004 @ 22:48 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16328. laveen az
       laveen branch library marks the 5th maricopa county public library i have posted from & this places maricopa which flatly bills itself as americas best county
       Dec 21, 2004 @ 23:39 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16329. Re: Les Martelottes & Merry Christmas
       he doesnt much understand english but in fairness i didnt understand this either so can you elucidate your meaning first & so maybe he will be able to also all
       Dec 21, 2004 @ 23:47 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16330. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Les Martelottes & Merry Christmas
       No problem understanding Artur. If you need me as a translator, pay me 1 buck per minute, please. Do I understand YOUR English better? Artur, go on. Wolfgang
       Dec 22, 2004 @ 03:28 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16331. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Seborga medieval bordermark
       Well, the difference to the Pedra Dreta in Llívia (and possibly to the other stones alluded to) is that it became a border marker later, in a secondary or
       Dec 22, 2004 @ 06:33 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16332. Re: alethejak
       Dear Mike, ... Well, in my humble opinion this has to be differentiated a bit. I think most people - I would venture to say, the overwhelming majority, i.e.
       Dec 22, 2004 @ 08:55 - Anton Zeilinger ("Anton Zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
16333. Re: alethejak
       ... your humble venture in saying this is actually producing an untruth tho anton i have always said that if you dont want to talk about multipointing which
       Dec 22, 2004 @ 17:31 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16334. litchfield park az was Re: laveen az
       ... i have posted from ... county florida & continuing to drift back down the valley a half step ahead of mother nature i am reminded by this next branch of
       Dec 22, 2004 @ 18:43 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16335. buckeye az was Re: Les Martelottes & Merry Christmas
       ... pay me 1 ... hahahahaha what made you think i need you as a translator hahahahahaha you must be overwhelmed by the season & the greetings & everything
       Dec 22, 2004 @ 19:52 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16336. gila bend az 1 more time
       & still maricopa county but i do like being able to report in on my changing position especially in relation to that er glowing beacon now the northernmost
       Dec 22, 2004 @ 21:55 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16337. Enclave maps
       I think I want to let people know of more mapping web pages I have listed on my page http://members.aol.com/marismits/EurLinks.htm of European Maps. You
       Dec 23, 2004 @ 02:52 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
16338. Re: alethejak
       ... ...Point is singular. Multi... isn t three only. Any point about boundaries is welcome. Have a care. LN
       Dec 23, 2004 @ 04:10 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
16339. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: alethejak
       ... ...Point is singular. Multi... isn t three only. Any point about boundaries is welcome. Have a care. LN thank you for welcoming any point about
       Dec 23, 2004 @ 17:59 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16340. no mxus for xmus after all but its ajo ho
       got about halfway from gila bend to yuma last night or as far as dateland in fact tho i didnt land a date & slept fitfully besides on my plan of continuing
       Dec 23, 2004 @ 19:08 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16341. Re: borders with left lane and right lane traffic
       Thailand-Laos: traffic crossing the Friendship Bridge from Nongkhai (Thailand) keeps to the left in both directions. The Laos border post is on the left-hand
       Dec 23, 2004 @ 18:09 - kszephyr ("kszephyr" <kszephyr@...>)
16342. Re: [BoundaryPoint] no mxus for xmus after all but its ajo ho
       The BODAHOMA quadripoint that you have chosen for your goal is unmonumented and in the midst of a farm field. See http://tinyurl.com/3rx7s on TerraServer and
       Dec 23, 2004 @ 22:34 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16343. ajo az
       just wanted to let you know the magical mystery mini expedition has advanced this far in good form & expects to be splitting xmus between the little town of er
       Dec 23, 2004 @ 21:49 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16344. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ajo az
       Merry XMUS (Merry Isthmus?) to you MD... enjoy your travels! Doug ... ...
       Dec 24, 2004 @ 19:36 - doug@dougmurrayproductions.com (doug@...)
16345. arrowhead az Re: no mxus for xmus after all but its ajo ho
       thanx doug & lowell too very interesting but does unmonumented necessarily mean unmarked & how then do they mark or even know the county lines there anyway let
       Dec 25, 2004 @ 00:50 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16346. Christmas Greetings
       Looking out the window from the corner of Main and 2nd in Vancouver.... on Christmas Day. All the best! Doug
       Dec 25, 2004 @ 19:08 - doug@dougmurrayproductions.com (doug@dougmurrayproductions.com)
16347. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fwd: Re: Please fwd to bp (tried
       Ha! thanks for welcoming my cell phone. With limited internet access, it is hard to get the topos from topozone and I was in Seattle on the way back to
       Dec 26, 2004 @ 02:22 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
16348. Re: AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Villalibre sin Jurisdicción
       Yes why dwell on it at all and bring it to BP. terrorist developing sympathy with terror - all garbage, junk, nothingness, nada...Why even think of such
       Dec 26, 2004 @ 03:23 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
16349. Re: [BoundaryPoint] arrowhead az Re: no mxus for xmus after all but its ajo ho
       ... I was using unmonumented to mean unmarked. It would be difficult for any physical mark to survive in a plowed farm field. There might be signage on
       Dec 26, 2004 @ 05:09 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16350. Re: [BoundaryPoint] arrowhead az Re: no mxus for xmus after all but its ajo ho
       Lowell G. McManus wrote: ... I was using unmonumented to mean unmarked. It would be difficult for any physical mark to survive in
       Dec 26, 2004 @ 20:54 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16351. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fwd: Re: Please fwd to bp (tried
       Michael Kaufman wrote: Ha! thanks for welcoming my cell phone. hahaha i welcome everything that hums more goodies below With limited
       Dec 26, 2004 @ 21:54 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16352. re topic forgotten but speakers still warmly remembered
       Michael Kaufman wrote: Yes why dwell on it at all and bring it to BP yikes i just cut my own beautiful words here & still more of
       Dec 26, 2004 @ 22:34 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16353. Re: [BoundaryPoint] arrowhead az Re: no mxus for xmus after all but its ajo ho
       Mike, I m basing my statement on the lack of a monument at the quadripoint in question on: (1) no monument indicated on USGS topo; and (2) the 1991 aerial
       Dec 26, 2004 @ 22:34 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16354. arrowhead az Re: no mxus for xmus after all but its ajo ho
       inserts hurriedly ... quadripoint in question on: (1) no monument indicated on USGS topo; as you know this in itself is neither here nor there ... harvested
       Dec 26, 2004 @ 23:00 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16355. arrowhead az Re: no mxus for xmus after all but its ajo ho
       new computer & more inserts less hurriedly ... week ... much ... site. ... survey. ... the ... about ... impossible. ... broadband ... second ... 125.7 ... ok
       Dec 26, 2004 @ 23:11 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16356. arrowhead az Re: no mxus for xmus after all but its ajo ho
       lowell ... on- ... for ... ok i finally got thru there but the bigger drawback is that the contents of each file are fragmented into thousands & thousands of
       Dec 26, 2004 @ 23:43 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16357. Re: [BoundaryPoint] arrowhead az Re: no mxus for xmus after all but its ajo ho
       Mike D., Okay, I ll consider myself severely chastised, but I was only trying to help you. In my initial pronouncement on the Borden-Dawson-Howard-Martin
       Dec 27, 2004 @ 01:28 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16358. Purportedly marked Texas tertiary quadripoints
       Mike D., In the late 1980 s, the Cartographics Laboratory of the Department of Geography in the College of Geosciences at Texas A&M University produced an
       Dec 27, 2004 @ 06:49 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@msn.com>)
16359. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Purportedly marked Texas tertiary quadripoints
       Here is the correct attachment. The one on the earlier message lacked one red dot. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA
       Dec 27, 2004 @ 06:56 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@msn.com>)
16360. topic forgotten
       Yes why dwell on it at all and bring it to BP? What do highpoints have in common with boundarypoints? Boundary - border - frontier - limit. In boundarypoints a
       Dec 27, 2004 @ 08:41 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16361. 2005 bp inaugural tour
       http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?t=2&s=14&x=169&y=1087&z=14&w=1&qs=%7cgoldthwaite%7ctx%7c hopefully gets you to the start of the only known highway
       Dec 27, 2004 @ 18:47 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16362. Re: [BoundaryPoint] arrowhead az Re: no mxus for xmus after all but its ajo ho
       insertions at leisure Lowell G. McManus wrote: Mike D., Okay, I ll consider myself severely chastised yikes hahahaha but why i was
       Dec 27, 2004 @ 18:47 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16363. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Purportedly marked Texas tertiary quadripoints
       ok beauuuuty i just printed it & devoured all your notes will navigate by it & them & am on the road as soon as i post this arcapora & bahaknth & codikimo are
       Dec 27, 2004 @ 18:48 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16364. Re: [BoundaryPoint] topic forgotten
       Wolfgang Schaub wrote: Yes why dwell on it at all and bring it to BP? What do highpoints have in common with
       Dec 27, 2004 @ 18:49 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16365. AW: [BoundaryPoint] topic forgotten
       Who said unfortunate ? None of us is unfortunate. Sorry for this twist, that may have made you misunderstand me. We just have to accept our obscene decadence
       Dec 27, 2004 @ 20:21 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16366. superior az Re: AW: [BoundaryPoint] topic forgotten
       Wolfgang Schaub wrote:Who said unfortunate ? i think you did wolfgang in your previous message entitled topic forgotten
       Dec 27, 2004 @ 22:56 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16367. arrowhead az Re: no mxus for xmus after all but its ajo ho
       have been laughing especially at this part of our misunderstanding much of the way from surprise to superior ... several members ... anyway. If I ...
       Dec 27, 2004 @ 23:57 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16368. socorro nm Re: Purportedly marked Texas tertiary quadripoints
       hahahahaha i was so looking forward to delivering multidimensional help to bp from socorro here in the land of enchantment yet that i was positively stunned at
       Dec 28, 2004 @ 19:02 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16369. amarillo follirama
       there is so much folly in the amarillo public library that i have deified it into a theme park which is to say i only have a very few minutes left now to
       Dec 29, 2004 @ 16:13 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16370. arcapora is ours
       that armstrong carson potter randall quadricounty point virgin beauty & prima donna megapoint of the texas tertiary was successfully visited earlier today
       Dec 29, 2004 @ 19:47 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16371. Re: [BoundaryPoint] arcapora is ours
       Congratulations on your success! I was glad to be of help. Your next two triangulation station quadripoints are shown by USGS as nicely monumented, so maybe
       Dec 29, 2004 @ 22:37 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16372. Do some good!!
       Hello all -- Normally, I would never do this. But, after working at CBC News all week, I have had to write countless stories and look at hours of footage of
       Dec 30, 2004 @ 00:42 - doug@dougmurrayproductions.com (doug@...)
16373. Vennbahn
       Watch a new website - www.vennbahn-museum.de. The Vennbahn tourist train operating club found a place to set up a museum now that the trains can t run. They
       Dec 30, 2004 @ 04:34 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
16374. yikes haskell library Re: Do some good!!
       ... hi doug & thanx from haskell tx for your good intentions & wishes which i have nevertheless cut yikes & not because i wish to disallow your work in our
       Dec 30, 2004 @ 17:50 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16375. still haskell & possibly last posts of 2004 bee pee Re: [BoundaryPoint] arcapora is ours
       thanx again & again you are with me here you know well you all are actually & so next i blasted off again from the plainview library as i think it was then
       Dec 30, 2004 @ 20:40 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16376. still haskell tx & likely last post of 2004 bp Re: arcapora & crgaluly are ours
       star point 4 codikimo by moonlight & flashlight i estimated from my roads of texas map measurements to be a tenth of a mile west of the road center at the coki
       Dec 30, 2004 @ 21:34 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16377. Re: still haskell & possibly last posts of 2004 bee pee Re: [BoundaryPoint] arcapora is ours
       Mike, I do feel like I m there with you, and I m enjoying the trip. Having seen the aerial of CRFLHALU, I m not entirely sure from your description that you
       Dec 30, 2004 @ 22:53 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16378. abilene tx Re: still haskell & possibly last posts of 2004 bee pee Re: [BoundaryPoint] arcapora is ours
       ok i do hear you but i spoke with aerial pix very much in view in that case so i dont actually see what you mean here the road shown arriving from the south on
       Dec 31, 2004 @ 01:59 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16379. Re: abilene tx Re: still haskell & possibly last posts of 2004 bee pee Re: [BoundaryPoint] arcapora is ours
       My semi doubts about CRFLHALU were based on your non-mention of the now-overgrown diagonal road that shows so prominently on the topo and somewhat on the
       Dec 31, 2004 @ 04:13 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16380. pensacola fl Re: abilene tx Re: still haskell & possibly last posts of 2004 bee pee Re: [BoundaryPoint] arcapora is ours
       interesting & those 30 foot road allowances were at first pure speculation or perhaps just intuition by me & many states away from there now i just had a look
       Jan 02, 2005 @ 23:46 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16381. Border splits smokers in divided town (Canada)
       Just wrote this story for CBC.ca (the internet arm of the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation): LLOYDMINSTER (Alberta/Saskatchewan) ? Some business owners on the
       Jan 03, 2005 @ 18:10 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
16382. blountstown fl Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border splits smokers in divided town (Canada)
       good gags for them but do they care w h a t you smoke on the smoking side they may need a separate british columbian enclave there in lloydminster too so yikes
       Jan 03, 2005 @ 20:14 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16383. border crossings and rules of road
       I have just returned to Thailand after 10 days in Laos. Crossed into Vientiane by Friendship Bridge. Traffic drives on the left (ie Thai rules) acoss the
       Jan 04, 2005 @ 02:19 - bwhyte@unimelb.edu.au (bwhyte@...)
16384. Re: [BoundaryPoint] border crossings and rules of road
       Brendan, I am amazed that you missed the blue on white Tow Away Zone sign on the Singapore side of the causeway immediately after our border. It is the first
       Jan 04, 2005 @ 11:48 - Richard Lam ("Richard Lam" <richardlam11@...>)
16385. Re: [BoundaryPoint] border crossings and rules of road
       Beautiful account, Brendan. Hope you will share photos as well. Jesper ... From: bwhyte@unimelb.edu.au To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January
       Jan 04, 2005 @ 17:16 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16386. crystal river fl
       back in my regular oracular stream & seat now here in crystal ball gazing country along the special strip where federal routes 19&98 commingle for a while &
       Jan 04, 2005 @ 17:24 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16387. Tripoint Deutsches Reich - Schweiz - Österreich 1927
       Hallo everybody and Happy New Year! Now to the point. I happened to come across an old road map which covers Germany as it looked liked in 1927. Then, the
       Jan 04, 2005 @ 20:33 - pete2784west ("pete2784west" <pete2784west@...>)
16388. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoint Deutsches Reich - Schweiz - Österreich 1927
       thanxx petter for the wishes & the tripoint smack on the right dimple of the upper rhein mouth very nice but i dont think it ever has been discussed here
       Jan 04, 2005 @ 23:33 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16389. Re: border crossings and rules of road
       yes i concur with my colleague here about your roads scholarship brendan & especially appreciate the fresh field report while on the road itself also as
       Jan 04, 2005 @ 23:50 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16390. Re: border crossings and rules of road
       ... on the Singapore side of the causeway immediately after our border. It is the first Singapore traffic sign as you leave Malaysia. There is actaully a
       Jan 05, 2005 @ 00:27 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16391. Re: Tripoint Deutsches Reich - Schweiz - Österreich 1927
       Hello, as far as I know there never was any boundary change in Lake Constance, the position of any line or even the qualification of the whole lake as a
       Jan 05, 2005 @ 08:42 - Anton Zeilinger ("Anton Zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
16392. Re: border crossings and rules of road
       Malaysia and Singapore signed a territorial sea boundary agreement in 1995 which provided geographical coordinates for a boundary originally established in
       Jan 05, 2005 @ 10:16 - Martin Pratt ("Martin Pratt" <m.a.pratt@...>)
16393. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: border crossings and rules of road
       Dear Sir, ... Its partly in jest. ... the selat johor is somehow less definite as a whole than the idsy maritime boundary also shown here in the singapore
       Jan 05, 2005 @ 11:45 - Richard Lam ("Richard Lam" <richardlam11@...>)
16394. Re: border crossings and rules of road
       yikes 11 meters seems scarcely enough clearance for the minimum necessary 2 lanes of car traffic & pedestrian walkway etc if there were only a single span but
       Jan 05, 2005 @ 16:23 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16395. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: border crossings and rules of road
       Are there not also a railway and two water pipelines on the Singapore-Johore Causeway, in addition to the roadway and any footpath? Does the specificity of the
       Jan 05, 2005 @ 18:20 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16396. Yugoslavia-Italy-Trieste
       On GSEEBE we might visit the ghost tp of Yugoslavia-Italy-Trieste. Howeve, it has not been easy to confirm if the tp is the same as Slovenia-Proviene of
       Jan 05, 2005 @ 21:16 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16397. idmysge & idmysgw were Re: border crossings and rules of road
       ... this recent paper http://www.fig.net/pub/jakarta/papers/ts_09/ts_09_3_hanifa_etal.pdf appears to indicate idsg is incomplete in the critical areas with
       Jan 05, 2005 @ 22:29 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16398. Re: Yugoslavia-Italy-Trieste
       ... Slovenia-Proviene of Gorizia-Province of Triste. ... Trieste replied. Not with an answer, but with links... in Italian. ... i would pay attention to the
       Jan 05, 2005 @ 23:53 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16399. Re: Tripoint Deutsches Reich - Schweiz - Österreich 1927
       ... However, during the Anschluß period, the Germans and the Swiss must have come to an arrangement that regulated at what point people fleeing to
       Jan 06, 2005 @ 01:41 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
16400. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Yugoslavia-Italy-Trieste
       The only thing I can contribute, as a mountain climber: On the top of Monte Cocusso / Kokos - with a v on the s to pronounce it Kokosh - you will find a
       Jan 06, 2005 @ 09:37 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16401. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Tripoint Deutsches Reich - Sch weiz - Österreich 1927
       Under www.eda.admin.ch/intagr/g/foreign and www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr you find a collection of all international treaties that Switzerland has entered. By no
       Jan 06, 2005 @ 09:37 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16402. idmysge & idmysgw were Re: border crossings and rules of road
       The agreed IDMY, IDSG and MYSG boundaries all stop well short of the equidistance tripoints both east and west of Singapore. Moreover, none of the relevant
       Jan 06, 2005 @ 09:56 - Martin Pratt ("Martin Pratt" <m.a.pratt@...>)
16403. Re: Tripoint Deutsches Reich - Schweiz - �sterreich 1927
       ... That s a good point! Nevertheless I would believe that any such arrangements were purely practical in nature. The Swiss were not exactly welcoming to
       Jan 06, 2005 @ 10:22 - Anton Zeilinger ("Anton Zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
16404. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: border crossings and rules of road
       Besides the road, there is a pedestrian footpath, as well as water pipes and railway line on the causeway. The Second Link is a vehicle - traffic only bridge.
       Jan 06, 2005 @ 11:13 - Richard Lam ("Richard Lam" <richardlam11@...>)
16405. Re: [BoundaryPoint] idmysge & idmysgw were Re: border crossings and rules of road
       many thanx martin it is always a treat to hear from you & i will be saving up & looking out for the new volume but before i would actually press on for the
       Jan 06, 2005 @ 17:20 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16406. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Tripoint Deutsches Reich - Schweiz - �sterreich 1927
       Anton Zeilinger wrote In the National Library here in Vienna there are one or two works on the legal status of Lake Constance;
       Jan 06, 2005 @ 17:27 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16407. whooops & apologies & more Re: [BoundaryPoint] idmysge & idmysgw were Re: border crossings and rules of road
       on further reflection i do respectfully withdraw the attached question & requests for tho the suggested procedure might make sense &or even be fun in other
       Jan 06, 2005 @ 21:56 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16408. Re: Tripoint Deutsches Reich - Schweiz - �sterreich 1927
       I d really like to hear about the results of that reading, too. I have half a dozen maps, from all three countries, showing a tripoint border on the eastern
       Jan 07, 2005 @ 01:11 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
16409. To whom does the Lake of Constance belong?
       Why do we make our lives so difficult? The answer to all our problems is provided by Professor Bosch from Tuebingen, the King of United Cosmos World . To
       Jan 07, 2005 @ 08:14 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16410. Re: [BoundaryPoint] To whom does the Lake of Constance belong?
       yep, mr. h.m. king marduk I. (as his name is now) is really active in finding unclear situations. you can find his newest finding (helgoland) and his view of
       Jan 07, 2005 @ 12:26 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
16411. AW: [BoundaryPoint] To whom does the Lake of Constance belong?
       I wouldn t know what is unclear with Helgoland: It was transferred from the U.K. to the Deutsche Reich, and treaties to that effect exist. Isn t that enough?
       Jan 07, 2005 @ 14:18 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16412. crystal river Re: AW: [BoundaryPoint] To whom does the Lake of Constance belong?
       Wolfgang Schaub wrote: Can t we, in order to become kings ourselves, not occupy at least our borderpoints? Size of our
       Jan 07, 2005 @ 15:02 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16413. Re: [BoundaryPoint] To whom does the Lake of Constance belong?
       we have encountered this man before & i get the sense all this may be tangential to multipointing & atchde anyway so it is really no problem at all but in
       Jan 07, 2005 @ 15:17 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16414. crystal river Re: [BoundaryPoint] To whom does the Lake of Constance belong?
       Wolfgang Schaub wrote: Why do we make our lives so difficult? The answer to all our problems is you are joking again of
       Jan 07, 2005 @ 15:25 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16415. Re: border crossings and rules of road
       ... Singapore-Johore ... what a fantastic oratorical flourish upon my mere etcetera hahahahaha & why do i keep getting the feeling you think bp is a debating
       Jan 07, 2005 @ 16:35 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16416. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: border crossings and rules of road
       Oh, Mike, I wasn t debating you! As you admit, I was merely expounding on your etcetera and thereby echoing and reinforcing your incredulity that everything
       Jan 07, 2005 @ 17:18 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16417. King Marduk's view of the Lake of Constance
       The issue is: King Marduk sees the CH-D border run on the south shore of the lake. If the adjacent Swiss canton now expands into the lake - as has happened -
       Jan 07, 2005 @ 18:40 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16418. Re: Tripoint Deutsches Reich - Schweiz - �sterreich 1927
       Hi, I went to the National Library today; I did not have much time so I only skimmed through one of the books, a Master s thesis (Klocker, Gernot : Die
       Jan 07, 2005 @ 19:26 - Anton Zeilinger ("Anton Zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
16419. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: border crossings and rules of road
       Lowell G. McManus wrote: Oh, Mike, I wasn t debating you! As you admit hahahahahaha of course you werent debating me silly hahahahaha
       Jan 07, 2005 @ 21:30 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16420. Re: [BoundaryPoint] King Marduk's view of the Lake of Constance
       Wolfgang Schaub wrote: PS: King Marduk is a true King of Nonsense - if we had similar ambitions we would rapidly become
       Jan 07, 2005 @ 21:38 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16421. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Tripoint Deutsches Reich - Schweiz - �sterreich 1927
       good going & please keep on it we need actual evidence of actual agreements before we can comfortably suspend our belief that only the default principle of
       Jan 07, 2005 @ 21:43 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16422. Re: Tripoint Deutsches Reich - Schweiz - �sterreich 1927
       Bravo to you Anton! I have found yet another map from even earlier times. The military survey map of Austria - Hungary from 1910 depicts again what I already
       Jan 07, 2005 @ 23:30 - pete2784west ("pete2784west" <pete2784west@...>)
16423. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Tripoint Deutsches Reich - Schweiz - �sterreich 1927
       & will everyone by all means please get as excited as you like while also bearing in mind that seeing borders & tripoints indicated on maps &or even described
       Jan 08, 2005 @ 15:19 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16424. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Tripoint Deutsches Reich - Schweiz - o?=sterreich 1927
       Although the Internet usually provides a mixture of gaga and truth I have consulted Google with Grenzverlauf and Bodensee - course of boundary and lake
       Jan 08, 2005 @ 17:50 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16425. 92 Kazakhstani families have to relocate after demarcation
       http://www.inform.kz/txt/showarticle.php?lang=eng&id=106472
       Jan 08, 2005 @ 20:37 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16426. Re: Tripoint Deutsches Reich - Schweiz - o?=sterreich 1927
       The MWSt doc is great! The court gives leads to other sources, especially with respect to the status of shared sovereignty areas/ condominiums. Mmmmm - good
       Jan 08, 2005 @ 20:48 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
16427. Re: Tripoint Deutsches Reich - Schweiz - o?=sterreich 1927
       Hallo! Now, this is really getting good! Cool document you ve got there! Now, correct, since 1648 there is no official border going through the lake, however,
       Jan 08, 2005 @ 23:40 - pete2784west ("pete2784west" <pete2784west@...>)
16428. Austria vs. the rest of the world in the Bodensee?
       I can see now why Austria favors the condominium philosophy - it would provide them a greater share of the lake. But we still don t know which philosophy
       Jan 09, 2005 @ 09:37 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16430. Nice multipoint shot
       http://astro.uchicago.edu/cara/vtour/pole/poles/97marker.jpg From this site: http://astro.uchicago.edu/cara/vtour/pole/poles/ Jesper
       Jan 09, 2005 @ 19:54 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16431. bwnazmzw update
       the new resource was gratefully received from martin this morning which basically reported all the major boundary developments of 2003 with some promise of
       Jan 10, 2005 @ 17:54 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16432. Re: Nice multipoint shot
       it is certainly a nice shot & a nice site as well but exactly what do you mean by multipoint i suppose the fact that a commonly named point like the south pole
       Jan 10, 2005 @ 19:59 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16433. Re: Tripoint Deutsches Reich - Schweiz - o?=sterreich 1927
       ... true but these were already mentioned & anticipated in message 293 & they are not nor do they amount to comprehensive border or tripoint agreements nor do
       Jan 10, 2005 @ 20:28 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16434. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Austria vs. the rest of the world in the Bodensee?
       Wolfgang Schaub wrote: I can see now why Austria favors the condominium philosophy - it would provide them a greater share
       Jan 10, 2005 @ 21:00 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16435. Re: Tripoint Deutsches Reich - Schweiz - �sterreich 1927
       ... wrote: Plus, legal arrangements entered ... true but do you mean the international court of justice & is there really such a case
       Jan 10, 2005 @ 21:25 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16436. Re: Tripoint Deutsches Reich - Schweiz - �sterreich 1927
       but it is interesting & i think highly ironical that there is a single grand loophole to the general principle that i believe you have otherwise correctly
       Jan 11, 2005 @ 16:15 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16437. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Tripoint Deutsches Reich - Sch weiz - �sterreich 1927
       I think that the distinction is somewhat different from the one that Mike finds below. The post-colonial permanence of boundaries agreed upon by colonial
       Jan 11, 2005 @ 16:36 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16438. Neutral Zone at Gibraltar
       http://www.gibnet.com/texts/neutral.htm hi jesper, dont really remember your question, but i think, this is the anwer to it and also the following foto of
       Jan 13, 2005 @ 16:38 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
16439. Re: Austria vs. the rest of the world in the Bodensee?
       ... We d perhaps want to know that in order to learn from history. Some of the members live for the past - which isn t right or wrong - so get used to it
       Jan 11, 2005 @ 17:07 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
16440. Re: Austria vs. the rest of the world in the Bodensee?
       yes i understand thats why you might want to know that len but i still dont see why we would want to know that for what you call history & the past is in my
       Jan 11, 2005 @ 18:12 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16441. Re: 92 Kazakhstani families etc
       ok i admit it i still cant look but i am curious about you what did you like about it
       Jan 11, 2005 @ 18:25 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16442. Re: Tripoint Deutsches Reich - Schweiz - �sterreich 1927
       interesting but why get so complicated as to introduce this compound abstraction of perceived sovereignty when it is simply that the spoils always go to the
       Jan 11, 2005 @ 18:43 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16443. trypointing special on mirror twins this week
       it appears an approaching cold front will actually be pushing the cay to shining key 86ing prohibition tour all the way down into the real keys by the weekend
       Jan 11, 2005 @ 21:01 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16444. Re: Nice multipoint shot
       well maestro i can only interpret your silence to mean that you were indeed conscious of all the belowmentioned possibilities & thus that your multiple
       Jan 11, 2005 @ 21:58 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16445. splitsville & route 86
       yikes did i put you all to sleep again well i did me too apparently for i just realized the 86th anniversary of the ratification of prohibition will be coming
       Jan 12, 2005 @ 15:53 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16446. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Austria vs. the rest of the world in the Bodensee?
       I dare to comment it by the sheer fact, that whether we like it or not, when we deal with boundaries, there is always a history. Changes in whereabouts of the
       Jan 13, 2005 @ 11:59 - Petter Brabec (Petter Brabec <pete2784west@...>)
16447. Re: Austria vs. the rest of the world in the Bodensee?
       ... and boundaries, because then I would like to know. ... BoundaryPoint absolutely does *NOT* forbid discussion about the history of tripoints and boundaries.
       Jan 13, 2005 @ 12:27 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <w1wh@...>)
16448. key largo fl Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Austria vs. the rest of the world in the Bodensee?
       ... and boundaries, because then I would like to know. ... BoundaryPoint absolutely does *NOT* forbid discussion about the history of tripoints and boundaries.
       Jan 13, 2005 @ 18:21 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16449. Re: Austria vs. the rest of the world in the Bodensee?
       please look for several inserts ... not, when we deal with boundaries, there is always a history. Changes in whereabouts of the tripoints and new borders are a
       Jan 13, 2005 @ 18:40 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16450. Boundaries and Highpoints
       Sorry folks, I have another question that is kind of off-topic. (Those of you who feel they cannot tolerate this better don t go on reading) As you may know,
       Jan 13, 2005 @ 19:47 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16451. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Boundaries and Highpoints
       Wolfgang, ... Should colonies and protectorates in particular be considered integral parts of the parent state? This isn t just an historical issue either as
       Jan 13, 2005 @ 20:03 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
16452. islamorada Fwd: Gouranga
       Note: forwarded message attached. did this come in your mailbox too stylistic evidence might have suggested it was a virus worm yet in tone it seems rather
       Jan 13, 2005 @ 20:10 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16453. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Boundaries and Highpoints
       I would suggest they would not be a part of the parent state. It seems absurd to say the highest point in Germany is in Africa.
       Jan 13, 2005 @ 20:15 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
16454. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Boundaries and Highpoints
       Dear Kevins, I said if I consider colonies as parts... Of course, you are perfectly right, colonies are NOT part. BUT: For the purpose of my question, could
       Jan 13, 2005 @ 20:58 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16455. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Boundaries and Highpoints
       & may i compliment you wolfgang on the delicacy of your question while also underscoring a few highlights Wolfgang Schaub
       Jan 13, 2005 @ 21:28 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16456. filling in the blanks of the imminent & culminating gaga gala
       so it seems that with both january 16th & 21st being such important dates in the respective histories of prohibition & 86ing the celebration of allowing is
       Jan 14, 2005 @ 18:59 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16457. marathon key
       just because it is hard for me to pass an open library without beeping in i will report gratuitously at this point that marathon is basically no longer in the
       Jan 14, 2005 @ 21:40 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16458. big pine key
       mig torch has been reached & is ready to party tonite indeed there is evidence that prodigious amounts of beer & wine have been consumed there since the last
       Jan 15, 2005 @ 15:34 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16459. KZRU
       Strange how the Kazahs (and perhaps the Russians) associate demarction borders with ploughing. http://www.interfax.com/com?item=Kaz&pg=0&id=5784471&req= Is
       Jan 15, 2005 @ 18:44 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16460. marathon key again
       running out of time almost before i have begun thanx in part to a hilarious exchange i have just had with wolfgang offlist concerning in part my bscuus eez
       Jan 15, 2005 @ 19:36 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16461. Freistaat Flaschenhals
       This Saturday was a brilliant sun-shiny winter day, perfect for field studies in the Freistaat Flaschenhals. First I inspected a contemporary map presented
       Jan 15, 2005 @ 19:54 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16462. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Freistaat Flaschenhals
       Wolfgang Schaub wrote: This Saturday was a brilliant sun-shiny winter day, perfect for field studies in the Freistaat
       Jan 15, 2005 @ 20:59 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16463. Strovilia, and two more defacto tripoints (visited)
       Previously we have discussed the enclave of Strovilia in Cyprus, but had problems identifying the place on maps. The Cyprus UN buffer zone boundaries are
       Jan 15, 2005 @ 21:18 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
16464. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Strovilia, and two more defacto tripoints (visited)
       Jesper Nielsen wrote:Previously we have discussed the enclave of Strovilia in Cyprus, but had problems identifying the place on maps. The
       Jan 15, 2005 @ 22:21 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16465. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Strovilia, and two more defacto tripoints (visited)
       Dejure as in all three parties agree on the exact spot? Or dejure as in all three parties recognize one another? In the first case then there will be several
       Jan 16, 2005 @ 01:23 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16466. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Freistaat Flaschenhals
       I should have better thought twice: There was no tripoint at all. (Take it as a test to ckeck your alertness) Virtual to me would be a tripoint that is
       Jan 16, 2005 @ 08:46 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16467. Canadian radio documentary on Calais, ME, St. Stephen border
       CBC Radio in the Maritimes ran a documentary this morning about the border between Canada and the U.S. at St. Stephen/Calais. It ran for 30 minutes and
       Jan 16, 2005 @ 13:27 - Brent ("Brent" <btaylor@...>)
16468. key west Re: AW: [BoundaryPoint] Freistaat Flaschenhals
       thanx wolfgang it makes perfect sense now also jesper usually for dejure there is diplomatic recognition & explicit tripartite agreement with ratifications etc
       Jan 16, 2005 @ 19:54 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16469. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Strovilia, and two more defacto tripoints (visited)
       also jesper usually for dejure there is diplomatic recognition & explicit tripartite agreement with ratifications etc but you know dejure is just a more
       Jan 16, 2005 @ 20:03 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16470. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Strovilia, and two more defacto tripoints (visited)
       Hi Jesper, thank you very much for this clarification, i really wondered, where this Strovilia could be, because i could find some articles, but no clear
       Jan 19, 2005 @ 09:18 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@gmx.de>)
16471. German Book about the inner-german border - Fw: Buch-Vorst ellung Roman »Grenzland«
       Hi folks, today i got a message from someone, who published a book about the german-german border, where he used to work as a soldier for nearly two years. so
       Jan 19, 2005 @ 09:27 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@gmx.de>)
16472. big pine key & they are coming to mig torch
       incredibly i chanced to hit 2 more radio stations this morning with a single chat right next door to the internet cafe here so the word is definitely out now
       Jan 17, 2005 @ 15:13 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16473. Re: [BoundaryPoint] German Book about the inner-g erman border - Fw: Buch-Vorstellung Roman »Gren zland«
       This book is also getting good reviews. I plan to buy it very soon! http://www.brianrose.com/lostborder.htm Doug ...
       Jan 17, 2005 @ 20:28 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
16474. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Strovilia, and two more defacto tripoints (visited)
       I had trouble finding Strovilia as well. The map points at the wrong place. So I had to go there myself. Supermarked on ESBA side said Strovilia. The UN liason
       Jan 17, 2005 @ 20:36 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16475. India Pakistan early times
       hi jesper, im looking for pakistan/india division in 1947 and i get i mind, that you once posted a link or map showing part of now indian gujarat beeing part
       Jan 18, 2005 @ 12:43 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
16476. big pine key on day 3 of allowance riot
       repaired directly to mig torch following previous post & when no guests arrived after several hours i wrote in large letters with red masking tape on my bumper
       Jan 18, 2005 @ 18:30 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16477. Re: [BoundaryPoint] India Pakistan early times
       Chris, It wasn t the whole of Gujarat, but a part of it that was claimed by Pakistan. In an opposite case from Kashmir, Junagadh was was led by a muslim ruler
       Jan 19, 2005 @ 05:04 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
16478. Gujarat
       Junagardh, a princely state made up of at least 2 fragments on the Gujarat coast (and contianing an enclave of another state that joined India) toyed (or
       Jan 19, 2005 @ 12:48 - bwhyte@unimelb.edu.au (bwhyte@...)
16479. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Digest Number 1673
       Junagardh, a princely state made up of at least 2 fragments on the Gujarat coast (and contianing an enclave of another state that joined India) toyed (or
       Jan 19, 2005 @ 12:48 - bwhyte@unimelb.edu.au (bwhyte@...)
16480. on party day 4 of 6 the multidimensional riot try is already class a
       with still zero guests for all of day 3 an hour before sunset yesterday yet already independently happy regardless of the facts on the ground i withdrew a
       Jan 19, 2005 @ 17:06 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16481. Re: Strovilia, and two more defacto tripoints (visited)
       ... agreement with ratifications etc ... anyway ... confections deserve the name of dejure ... well ok but you say in
       Jan 20, 2005 @ 18:30 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16482. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Strovilia, and two more defacto tripoints (visited)
       UNFICYP made the cease fire line agreement, which both greeks and turks agreed on. So UNFICYP must have closed of the line, and cleverly used the already
       Jan 20, 2005 @ 18:53 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16483. day 5 & still running without batteries
       well the grand finale of the 6day allowance party is already practically in view night 6 namely tomorrow evening which will mark the completion of 86 days & 86
       Jan 20, 2005 @ 19:00 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16484. Re: Strovilia, and two more defacto tripoints (visited)
       well yes we know all this but you were asking about the actual tripoints between 1974 & 2000 werent you & whether they exist or count or what they even were
       Jan 20, 2005 @ 19:13 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16485. high points
       ... But Australia s is on a tiny island in the Southern Ocean... It is a little known fact that the highest point on Australian Territory is actually Mawson s
       Jan 21, 2005 @ 01:11 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
16486. RE: [BoundaryPoint] high points
       Hi. I think the distinction I was making was that when someone says What s the highest point in Germany? they mean right there in the country. I wouldn t
       Jan 21, 2005 @ 01:33 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
16487. high points
       But would you discount the northern Territory and the Australian Capital territory because they are territories like the Heard and MacDonald Island Territory
       Jan 21, 2005 @ 03:03 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
16488. RE: [BoundaryPoint] high points
       ... Obviously not; they are political subdivisions that are *on* the Australian continent. Heald isn t. It s a tiny island thousands of miles away from
       Jan 21, 2005 @ 04:08 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
16489. Re: high points
       But that view couldn t be held consistently. For instance, lets assume for a moment that the highest point in France was on Guadeloupe. That would only apply
       Jan 21, 2005 @ 04:19 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
16490. High points
       You all seem to hit the point: High points are flexible, depending upon our political definitions. And more: As much as I concur TODAY that the highest point
       Jan 21, 2005 @ 08:07 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16491. 86ing update & Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Strovilia, and two more defacto tripoints (visited)
       & if the strovilia clave was not occupied by any forces between 1974 & 2000 but was simply an air bubble or vacuum sustained by an armistice status quo until
       Jan 21, 2005 @ 16:51 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16492. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: high points
       Your outline makes my point of view entirely consistent, rather than inconsistent. If Guadeloupe is corporately a fully participant entity in the nation-state,
       Jan 21, 2005 @ 17:53 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
16493. RE: [BoundaryPoint] High points
       I would suggest that yes, it was also the view then. German possessions in Africa were never considered to be part of the nation of German, but simply
       Jan 21, 2005 @ 17:55 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
16494. Re: 86ing update & Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Strovilia, and two more defacto tripoints (visited)
       All of the island of Cyprus, except the SBAs, are formally The Republic of Cyprus as includes greek and turkish cypriots. After years of civil war Turkey
       Jan 21, 2005 @ 18:42 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16495. AW: [BoundaryPoint] High points
       All agreed. Remember, however, the issue was the question, rather, when the Meruberg (and the Karisimbi) became de facto and de jure part of Deutsch-Ostafrika,
       Jan 21, 2005 @ 20:02 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16496. Re: High points
       That may have been the original question, but it perhaps couldn t have been asked or be taken seriously - if we say occupied territory is in or becomes an
       Jan 22, 2005 @ 03:01 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
16497. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: High points
       It couldn t have been taken seriously if the U.S. sector of Berlin was a part of the U.S. ? This is, I am sorry, just a semantic issue. There was much of
       Jan 22, 2005 @ 09:08 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16498. Re: 86ing update & Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Strovilia, and two more defacto tripoints (visited)
       thanx jesper very interesting & as far as semi de jure is concerned &or hemi or demi or quasi or pene or pseudo or crypto etc etc de jure for that matter i
       Jan 22, 2005 @ 16:18 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16499. Re: [BoundaryPoint] KZRU
       http://en.rian.ru/rian/index.cfm?prd_id=160&msg_id=5314235&startrow=1&date=2005-01-17&do_alert=0 There has been much talk about the issue, but we are
       Jan 22, 2005 @ 19:32 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16500. Re: [BoundaryPoint] KZRU
       Sort of a Schengen type border there: http://www.tass.ru/eng/level2.html?NewsID=1650536&PageNum=0 Jesper ... From: Jesper Nielsen To:
       Jan 22, 2005 @ 19:41 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16501. Re: [BoundaryPoint] KZRU
       and yet there will be a demarcation commission: http://www.interfax.ru/e/B/0/28.html?id_issue=10740359 ... From: Jesper Nielsen To:
       Jan 22, 2005 @ 19:59 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16502. Point Roberts Drug Smuggling
       More news concerning the high school students who were smuggling drugs from Point Roberts through Canada to the mainland USA.
       Jan 25, 2005 @ 18:26 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
16503. Re: [BoundaryPoint] KZRU
       strange i just gave a pretty hitchhiker from kazakhstan a ride from big pine to summerland tho i was admittedly going in the opposite direction when i spotted
       Jan 25, 2005 @ 18:29 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16504. Hello, Gutentag, Bonjour, Konnichiwa....
       Hello, I m a new member of this group - it looks pretty tight-knight so I thought I should introduce myself. My name s Dominic, currently living in Birmingham
       Jan 25, 2005 @ 19:41 - sdrawkcabdom ("sdrawkcabdom" <sdrawkcab8@...>)
16505. Bolivian Province Seeks Greater Autonomy
       Bolivian Province Seeks Greater Autonomy Wed Jan 26, 3:35 AM ET World - AP Latin America By KEVIN GRAY, Associated Press Writer SANTA CRUZ, Bolivia - Across
       Jan 27, 2005 @ 19:45 - raedwulf16 ("raedwulf16" <raedwulf16@...>)
16506. Interesting CNINPK tri-triangle map
       http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/kashmir_disputed_2002.jpg
       Jan 28, 2005 @ 23:15 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16507. Map site
       http://snack.p.lodz.pl/~bogmilka/sp6nvk/Mapy/strony_map/maps_maps.htm has nice maps of Märket Reef, Gibraltar, divided island by Bahrain etc. Jesper
       Jan 28, 2005 @ 23:35 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16508. News in Cambodia
       From the Cambodia Daily, wed 12 Jan 2005, p13 Provincial Officials to Mark Borders Clearly by Thet Sambath Battambang and Banteay Meanchey provincial
       Jan 29, 2005 @ 03:27 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
16509. Re: Hello, Gutentag, Bonjour, Konnichiwa....
       ... currently ... freak. ... site is ... many ... Anyway, ... well soon ... well dominic since there are no drawbacks to talking backwards you are in fact
       Jan 29, 2005 @ 22:16 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16510. Re: News in Cambodia
       ... agreed Saturday to ... prevent land ... Tuesday. ... district and ... that has been ... taking ... seemingly elementary dear doctor yet it also seems to me
       Jan 29, 2005 @ 22:34 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16511. Re: Map site
       ... http://snack.p.lodz.pl/~bogmilka/sp6nvk/Mapy/strony_map/maps _maps.htm ... Bahrain etc. ... this new supposedly divided island by bahrain appears to have
       Jan 30, 2005 @ 01:46 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16512. testing with apologies & no message text
       
       Jan 30, 2005 @ 03:55 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16513. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Map site
       The correct URL of the 1980 Bahrain map is: http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/bahrain.html . By compounded, I assume (from your reference to Ellis Island) that
       Jan 30, 2005 @ 04:01 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16514. Re: Point Roberts Drug Smuggling
       ... smuggling drugs ... aplocal_story.asp?category=6420&slug=WA%20Principal%20C harged ... yikes & just as my own ounce of this truly incomparable bc bud that
       Jan 30, 2005 @ 04:27 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16515. Re: Map site
       oops & thanx & yes i mean enlarged by addition of fill or by backfilling as i finally also said & i may be able to translate for whatever help that might be to
       Jan 30, 2005 @ 05:36 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16516. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Map site
       Ooops! I goofed the URL too, although I did get us to the PCL s Bahrain map index page. A direct link to the 1980 map is http://tinyurl.com/6pjvk . Yes, you
       Jan 30, 2005 @ 06:20 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16517. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Map site
       ok good but i dont yet find all the confirmation you say we do & the impression i am getting from all of this taken together is that only the saudi border post
       Jan 30, 2005 @ 16:11 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16518. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Map site
       but i should probably add in clarification that the only point that interested me very much in all of this mess was just whether the 1958 bhsa treaty
       Jan 30, 2005 @ 17:26 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16519. Re: Map site
       & i just noticed the following paragraph of the agreement also names & similarly nicks the next island to the north along the bhsa line lubainah al kabirah but
       Jan 30, 2005 @ 17:54 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16520. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Map site
       The complete Google cache of the extinct French page can be viewed at http://tinyurl.com/6w37l . Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From:
       Jan 30, 2005 @ 21:01 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16521. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Map site
       For an explanation of why these two nicks are in the 1958 agreement (but not how they came to be nicks rather than some other form of delimitation), see
       Jan 30, 2005 @ 21:27 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16522. ends of the earth update & outstanding questions
       the definitive ecuadorean half of the long awaited supposedly overnight delivery to cream hill of topographic depictions of the literally farthest flung pair
       Jan 30, 2005 @ 23:10 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16523. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ends of the earth update & outstanding questions
       Media reports in the aftermath of the earthquake/tsunami said that Sumatra had moved laterally some 50 feet. If the lowland Sumatran antipode is flat enough,
       Jan 31, 2005 @ 00:43 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16524. Kaprivi Tripoint
       I just came across a US State Department Boundary study from 1972, which give the following about there actually being a tripoint between Namibia-RSA-Botswana
       Jan 31, 2005 @ 01:52 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
16525. Walvis Bay Boundary Pillars
       A State Department boundary study from 1972 provides the following about the final borders that existed around the Walvis Bay exclave of RSA: The alignment of
       Jan 31, 2005 @ 01:54 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
16526. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ends of the earth update & outstanding questions
       good thinking & so that means until sumatra gets her topos updated or until we actually visit cayambe with hi tech gps & also experimentally determine the
       Jan 31, 2005 @ 16:24 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16527. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Kaprivi Tripoint
       len there was no irresolution nor ever even any doubt about this bwnaza tripoint http://home.worldonline.dk/jesniel/border/african_tripoints.htm#bwnaza rather
       Jan 31, 2005 @ 16:54 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16528. Border Croatia - Montenegro
       Here s a picture taken from Croatia into Montenegro. The Croatian border control is to the right of the police car. The Montenegrin border control is at the
       Jan 31, 2005 @ 22:22 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@swipnet.se>)
16529. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border Croatia - Montenegro
       Christian: The border expedition will be travelling through Skopje -- perhaps a pint with borderfreaks Jesper, Rolf, Peter, Harry, Mike, Ann, and Doug? Cheers!
       Jan 31, 2005 @ 22:33 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
16530. Re: Walvis Bay Boundary Pillars
       ok thats ibs123 too page 5 now but what is your point here or what do you find remarkable in this that you would like us all to regard ... following ...
       Jan 31, 2005 @ 22:46 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16531. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border Croatia - Montenegro
       yesss the 7 regulars bravo may i buy & you will be surrounded by 4 virgins alcsmk algrmk bgcsgr & bgcsmk ... Here s a picture taken from Croatia into
       Jan 31, 2005 @ 22:59 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16532. Border expedition (was: Border Croatia - Montenegro)
       I m sure I ll have time for a pint i Skopje. Visiting the 4 virigns are of course also interesting for me, but I can t promise anything... When will you freaks
       Jan 31, 2005 @ 23:38 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
16533. Re: KZRU
       ... http://en.rian.ru/rian/index.cfm?prd_id=160&msg_id=5314235&s tartrow=1&date=2005-01-17&do_alert=0 ... discussing delimitation, not demarcation. There will
       Feb 01, 2005 @ 02:21 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16534. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: KZRU
       It was my impression that broken borders referred to those with broken or plowed ground--as was common on many iron-curtain frontiers as a means of detecting
       Feb 01, 2005 @ 05:02 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16535. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border Croatia - Montenegro
       Hello, I never send a message on this group. I am french and I don t speak english very well that s why .... But today, showing the photo of Christian, I
       Feb 01, 2005 @ 09:44 - Romain HODAPP (Romain HODAPP <romain_hodapp@...>)
16536. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Border Croatia - Montenegro
       Hallo et bonjour Romain, Il n y a personne qui nous préscrit la langue en laquelle nous sommes expecté de parler ici. Il seulement faut écrire en francais -
       Feb 01, 2005 @ 11:44 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16537. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border Croatia - Montenegro
       welcome romain & thanx for the very nice presentation the green island or ile verte group & the canada france border have long fascinated us too among the
       Feb 01, 2005 @ 16:34 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16538. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: KZRU
       well it sure sounds crazy enough to be true even if still hard to imagine on an intrasoviet border such as this one was but if such a practice is or was as
       Feb 01, 2005 @ 17:05 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16539. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: KZRU
       I don t mean to imply that this intrasoviet border was plowed during Soviet times, but rather now that the two post-Soviet nations are talking demarcation,
       Feb 01, 2005 @ 17:29 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16540. Anglo-Scottish Border Images
       I ve put up lots of photos of the eastern-most section of the border. If you want to look: http://www.geocities.com/sdrawkcabdom/Scottish- Border.html -
       Feb 01, 2005 @ 19:26 - sdrawkcabdom ("sdrawkcabdom" <sdrawkcab8@...>)
16541. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Border Croatia - Montenegro
       Hello and welcome Romain! I do not often sent messages to this group either, partly because English is not my first language. However - thank you for your
       Feb 01, 2005 @ 23:01 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
16542. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: KZRU
       ok but then why would these countries want to reassure their peoples that something will not be done to them here on kzru now that has never been done to them
       Feb 01, 2005 @ 23:39 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16543. Re: Walvis Bay Boundary Pillars
       No point . No like you to regard No need for a comment in response to every little message. Messages only posted for the record - if it is in the record
       Feb 02, 2005 @ 00:15 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
16544. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Anglo-Scottish Border Images
       thanx dominic very interesting do you have any idea how likely scottish independence actually is now also can you provide any more info on this other
       Feb 02, 2005 @ 00:23 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16545. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Green Island Ile Verte SPM
       Bonjour et merci pour votre bienvenue. Effectivement, le sujet de l Ile verte a existé. J ai pu trouver dans ces liens de bonnes informations. Comme j ai un
       Feb 02, 2005 @ 10:35 - Romain HODAPP (Romain HODAPP <romain_hodapp@...>)
16546. Re: Green Island Ile Verte SPM
       ... ces liens de bonnes informations. Comme j ai un bon logiciel pour le SIG, je vais essayer de faire une carte de cette frontière maritime. Peut-être une
       Feb 02, 2005 @ 15:10 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16547. afcnpk pic fallout was Re: Anglo-Scottish Border Images
       ok i believe i may have resolved this question about the purported afcnpk pic as follows since we know afcnpk is a mountain peak tripoint from both the topo &
       Feb 02, 2005 @ 16:41 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16548. Re: [BoundaryPoint] afcnpk pic fallout was Re: Anglo-Scottish Border Images
       ooops all 3 urls hopefully corrected in text below ... http://www.law.fsu.edu/library/collection/LimitsinSeas/IBS089.pdf ...
       Feb 02, 2005 @ 16:49 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16549. afcnpk pic fallout was Re: Anglo-Scottish Border Images
       The image was taken form a harback book called Pakistan which covers all aspects of the country. There was no elaboration on that image, so I took it at face
       Feb 02, 2005 @ 20:50 - sdrawkcabdom ("sdrawkcabdom" <sdrawkcab8@...>)
16550. Re: [BoundaryPoint] afcnpk pic fallout was Re: Anglo-Scottish Border Images
       Attchment: Kilik pass with AFCNPK Jesper ... From: aletheiak To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 5:41 PM Subject:
       Feb 02, 2005 @ 21:41 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
16551. Re: [BoundaryPoint] afcnpk pic fallout was Re: Anglo-Scottish Border Images
       yikes i dont believe chillinji & kilik are the same pass & i dont yet see why chillinji even entered the discussion in the first place in
       Feb 02, 2005 @ 23:44 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16552. Seborga's currency
       If you go to the Universal Currency Converter http://www.xe.com/ucc/full.shtml you will find Seborga s Luigino currency listed alongside all other national
       Feb 03, 2005 @ 02:46 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
16553. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Seborga's currency
       I miss SMOM s Scudi and Grani on the list... as well as the Cuckoos of the Independent State of Cuckfield and Lundy s Puffins. And why not the old European
       Feb 03, 2005 @ 08:16 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16554. AW: [BoundaryPoint] afcnpk pic fallout was Re: Anglo-Scottish Border Images
       You all seem to fall victim of the Western belief that a boundary is always a defined legal confine. In the East, as well as in the Soviet-influenced zones,
       Feb 03, 2005 @ 08:16 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16555. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Seborga's currency
       It could be in there as a copyright trap. ... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
       Feb 03, 2005 @ 12:33 - Asher Samuels (Asher Samuels <asher972@...>)
16556. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Seborga's currency
       There is other nonsense in the Universal Currency Converter : They speak of a Vatican Lira (obsolete). To my knowledge this was always the Italian Lira, as it
       Feb 03, 2005 @ 13:19 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16557. Re: AW: [BoundaryPoint] afcnpk pic fallout was Re: Anglo-Scottish Border Images
       aha interesting thank you & it is certainly true that boundaries in our modern sense did not develop until comparatively er modern times but what exactly do
       Feb 03, 2005 @ 15:07 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16558. Re: [BoundaryPoint] aAnglo-Scottish Border Images
       ... Maybe in 25 years, but extremely unlikely in the next 10 I d say. 10-20% of the population is hardly overwhelming support for independence, and furthermore
       Feb 03, 2005 @ 18:03 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
16559. Bordermarkers as monuments
       Just two examples: 1) The East: If you walk from Simikot / Humla District, Western Nepal, upwards in the valley of the Humla Karnali Goshi, you will, after a
       Feb 03, 2005 @ 19:54 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16560. Re: Bordermarkers as monuments
       indeed wolfgang bordermarkers a r e monuments & they are also ordinarily called boundary monuments i liked your explanation of unbroken too tho it is actually
       Feb 03, 2005 @ 20:28 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16561. afcnpk pic fallout was Re: Anglo-Scottish Border Images
       ... & all the while it was all here at the bottom of page 5 of the cnpk ibs study http://www.law.fsu.edu/library/collection/LimitsinSeas/IBS085.pdf so to sum
       Feb 03, 2005 @ 23:57 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16562. outstanding question from nov 12 message 16066
       ... good one the need exists probably o n l y because for most purposes the world is too big to comprehend or too unwieldy to handle all at once & in a single
       Feb 04, 2005 @ 00:55 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16563. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bordermarkers as monuments
       I claim bordermarkers are d o c u m e n t s normally . If they are monuments, something is wrong in the self-understanding of the nation who places them. But
       Feb 04, 2005 @ 07:23 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16564. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bordermarkers as monuments
       I think that you fall victim to the English language. The American Heritage College Dictionary gives this as one of the definitions of monument : 5. An
       Feb 04, 2005 @ 15:41 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16565. Re: AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bordermarkers as monuments
       if you fall or are a victim of anything wolfgang & let me say i dont believe you or any of us is then it is a victimhood only in & of your own belief a belief
       Feb 04, 2005 @ 16:55 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16566. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bordermarkers as monuments
       Agree. Wonder if the Brits share this view. Never too late to learn... Wolfgang ... Von: Lowell G. McManus [mailto:mcmanus71496@msn.com] Gesendet: Freitag, 4.
       Feb 04, 2005 @ 17:32 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16567. Re: AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bordermarkers as monuments
       Lighten up, Mike. Wolfgang used the term fall victim in quotes to indicate that he meant it in only the figurative sense. I meant it the same way in my
       Feb 04, 2005 @ 17:58 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16568. [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bordermarkers as monuments
       ... ok blitzen here at your service ... he meant it in ... response. Surely no ... my point is surely one can & indeed must be literally victimized by a view
       Feb 04, 2005 @ 19:53 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16569. daily breeze
       http://www.dailybreeze.com/news/regstate/articles/1233277.html disregarding the flagrant misstatement of fact in the lede paragraph the elusive smugglers gulch
       Feb 05, 2005 @ 16:21 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16570. GSEEBE: BGGRTR
       Attached closeup of tp topomap + satellite image. (The satellite image was provided to me by recent Turkish BP member, thanks). Looking in regular road maps
       Feb 05, 2005 @ 16:42 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
16571. Re: [BoundaryPoint] daily breeze
       Actually, the elusive Smuggler Gulch is located west of there, about 2¼ miles from the beach, as can be seen at http://tinyurl.com/6ky6k . It is the
       Feb 05, 2005 @ 19:07 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16572. Re: [BoundaryPoint] daily breeze
       wow & thanx that literally explains everything ... http://www.dailybreeze.com/news/regstate/articles/1233277.html ...
       Feb 06, 2005 @ 02:50 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16573. Re: [BoundaryPoint] GSEEBE: BGGRTR
       yikes i dont believe you will be bored in any case but you must read page 7 of the study that goes with your ibs map
       Feb 06, 2005 @ 02:54 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16574. Re: Seborga's currency
       The Vatican had its own Lira - it issued its own coins (albeit some produced by the Italian state mint). With the Euro, the Vatican has, from the European
       Feb 06, 2005 @ 04:44 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
16575. Re: [BoundaryPoint] daily breeze
       I try. It s nice to be appreciated! Attached is a scan of the pertinent part of the IBWC map annexed to the 1970 treaty, showing the boundary through the
       Feb 06, 2005 @ 05:06 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@msn.com>)
16576. Re: [BoundaryPoint] GSEEBE: BGGRTR
       Hm.... Interesting. But what explains the visible border lines on the satellite image? Was the border redrawn? Jesper ... From: aletheia kallos To:
       Feb 06, 2005 @ 08:01 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16577. International Date Line marker
       http://www.confluence.org/photo.php?visitid=6783&pic=ALL
       Feb 06, 2005 @ 08:50 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16578. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Seborga's currency
       Formally, you are right in a way, Len, as always. By the same token, the universal currency converter should then distinguish between a German and a French
       Feb 06, 2005 @ 09:56 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16579. Re: [BoundaryPoint] GSEEBE: BGGRTR
       If I understand correctly (of which I am not certain) the north-south line across the island is the BGTR boundary. If the tripoint is in the channel south of
       Feb 06, 2005 @ 14:39 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16580. Re: [BoundaryPoint] International Date Line marker
       ... Yes, that s one of the Special Visits we have on our website: http://www.confluence.org/special.php -- Dave Patton Canadian Coordinator, Degree
       Feb 06, 2005 @ 16:23 - Dave Patton [DCP] ("Dave Patton [DCP]" <dpatton@...>)
16581. Re: [BoundaryPoint] GSEEBE: BGGRTR
       It s an 1978 Russian map. The satellite image is taken from this site http://www.sieurasia.com/english/html/eng_index.htm (click archive online, also thanks to
       Feb 06, 2005 @ 16:35 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
16582. Re: [BoundaryPoint] GSEEBE: BGGRTR
       please look for insertions below ... yes the image doesnt lie but ones interpretation of anything one sees is always subject to confirmation & indeed please
       Feb 06, 2005 @ 16:44 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16583. Re: [BoundaryPoint] International Date Line marker
       can you clarify this i had the impression that the international date line & the 180 longitude line are not necessarily coincident everywhere & that they arent
       Feb 06, 2005 @ 16:53 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16584. Re: [BoundaryPoint] International Date Line marker
       The text on the site explains it. Jesper ... From: aletheia kallos To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 5:53 PM Subject: Re:
       Feb 06, 2005 @ 16:57 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16585. Re: [BoundaryPoint] International Date Line marker
       ... I guess this is only the 180th Meridian, but *not* the International Date Line, which does *not* touch dry land, as far as I am informed. Both are not
       Feb 06, 2005 @ 17:03 - Manfred Haertel, DB3HM ("Manfred Haertel, DB3HM" <Manfred.Haertel@...>)
16586. Re: [BoundaryPoint] GSEEBE: BGGRTR
       ... As we all know you are linguistic challenged, I should have anticipated that you missed the s the message. Boring as in less exciting. Offcourse all
       Feb 06, 2005 @ 17:10 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16587. Re: AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Seborga's currency
       ... hahahaha formally you are right in a way as always wolfgang hahahahaha but this is not really off topic at all as you know our topic is multipointing or
       Feb 06, 2005 @ 17:17 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16588. GhTP: Italy-Trieste-Yugoslavia
       Attach 1:50 000 topo map of FTITYU. As far as I can work out from other maps, the tp must have been at the big bend between marker 65 and 66. * Did they
       Feb 06, 2005 @ 21:19 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
16589. Namibia-Zambia
       Hi, heres a picture from the Namibian-Zambian border. Its very close to the Victoria Falls. We are on a bridge across the Zambesi. The Falls are to the left
       Feb 06, 2005 @ 21:48 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@gmx.de>)
16590. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Namibia-Zambia
       Did you take it? Jesper ... From: chris schulz To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 10:48 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint]
       Feb 06, 2005 @ 21:54 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16591. tp map: BGCSRO
       1:50 000 Jesper
       Feb 06, 2005 @ 21:59 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
16592. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Namibia-Zambia
       no, but my mother was there last autumn and a friend took it. when she showed me the fotos of her trip i copied this foto. chris a----- Original Message -----
       Feb 06, 2005 @ 22:11 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
16593. Tp: BGCSMK
       Peter Smaardijk established in a previous BP message that BGCSMK = BGw. Jesper
       Feb 06, 2005 @ 22:42 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
16594. kavak the island near bggrtr per ibs 41
       this recent news report http://www.government.bg/English/Priorities/ForeignPolicy/2005-01-29/2150.html describes the area &or island in the maritsa near bggrtr
       Feb 06, 2005 @ 22:44 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16595. TP: BGGRMK
       Map 1:50 000 Funny part of BG. Jesper
       Feb 06, 2005 @ 23:00 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
16596. Re: GhTP: Italy-Trieste-Yugoslavia
       ... been at the big bend between marker 65 and 66. ... remember trieste was not actually split but was just an abortive condo or supposedly neutral area that
       Feb 06, 2005 @ 23:24 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16597. Re: [BoundaryPoint] TP: BGGRMK
       wow that is funny looking so where do you think the tripoint is ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So
       Feb 06, 2005 @ 23:35 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16598. Re: [BoundaryPoint] TP: BGGRMK
       Mount Tumba at the buttom of the L shape BG. No 1. Jesper http://www.lib.byu.edu/~rdh/wwi/1918p/neuilly.html
       Feb 06, 2005 @ 23:48 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16599. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Bordermarkers as monuments
       Wolfgang, ... I think I ve lost the original point of this thread, but my dictionary (OED) states that a monument is anything enduring that serves to
       Feb 07, 2005 @ 08:34 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
16600. Re: [BoundaryPoint] TP: BGGRMK
       ok then here possibly are our first glimpses of it http://www.soros.org.mk/konkurs/080/MPB-siteovi/belasica.htm tho the stated elevation is too high for mt
       Feb 07, 2005 @ 14:03 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16601. Photo tripoint SLO I A
       Hello, To continue, a new page with some photos of last summer on the tripoint Italia / Slovenia / Austria http://www.geocities.com/romain_hodapp/SLO.html Bye
       Feb 07, 2005 @ 14:48 - Romain HODAPP (Romain HODAPP <romain_hodapp@...>)
16602. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Bordermarkers as monuments
       ... hahahahaha good one ... indeed but i dont believe there is any real difference between the standard british & american usages of the term boundary monument
       Feb 07, 2005 @ 15:03 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16603. Re: daily breeze
       ... indeed & it is nice to appreciate also in fact i sometimes like to go on a rampage of it aggressively looking for something to prize in everything it is a
       Feb 07, 2005 @ 17:14 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16604. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: GhTP: Italy-Trieste-Yugoslavia
       Trieste not actually split ? De jure perhaps so, de facto it was very much split right from the beginning: Zone A developed in quite a different fashion than
       Feb 07, 2005 @ 20:04 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16605. Re: GhTP: Italy-Trieste-Yugoslavia
       yes nice & this fits everything we have previously seen plus i modified my demarcation guess here below to 1975 or later as soon as i realized that is the year
       Feb 07, 2005 @ 21:54 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16606. Re: [BoundaryPoint] tp map: BGCSRO
       ... normally i would not mention something like this since i have no personal aversion myself to pursuing bliss thru even toxic & nuclear waste dumps if they
       Feb 07, 2005 @ 23:09 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16607. Re: Seborga's currency
       In further researching the subject of National Euros vs. A Single Euro used by all, I came across what may, I hope, be interesting surprises for readers.
       Feb 08, 2005 @ 01:50 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
16608. Non-Euro States
       UPDATE: At a. , in my last message, I should have included Monaco. At b(3), Vatican, another document from the EC made note that the Vatican more recently
       Feb 08, 2005 @ 03:07 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
16609. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Non-Euro States
       See http://www.eurocoins.co.uk/andorra.html for patterns for future Andorran euros. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA
       Feb 08, 2005 @ 04:06 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16610. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Seborga's currency
       My conclusions about all of this are that the Euros authorized by Europe (Munzrecht, in German)) are national Euros , in that they are issued by countries
       Feb 08, 2005 @ 06:15 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16611. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Non-Euro States
       Neither do I know of any Andorra agreement, nor of any Andorra Euro coins yet. Wolfgang ... Von: L. A. Nadybal [mailto:lnadybal@comcast.net] Gesendet:
       Feb 08, 2005 @ 06:15 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16612. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Non-Euro States
       One of the Co-Princeps of Andorra, the bishop Joan Marti Alanis de Urgell, ruling since 1971, was clever enough to issue Andorra gold coins in 1994, in the
       Feb 08, 2005 @ 06:15 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16613. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Seborga's currency
       With the exception of gold coins, coins issued by San Marino had the same shape, size and composition as coins circulating in Italy. This was not so
       Feb 08, 2005 @ 09:42 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16614. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Non-Euro States
       As usual: The catholics cannot get enough - always more, more, more! ... Von: L. A. Nadybal [mailto:lnadybal@comcast.net] Gesendet: Dienstag, 8. Februar 2005
       Feb 08, 2005 @ 09:42 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16615. Re: AW: [BoundaryPoint] Non-Euro States
       It s their rights ? no ? Everybody need money in our world. Wolfgang Schaub wrote:As usual: The catholics cannot get enough
       Feb 08, 2005 @ 10:24 - Romain HODAPP (Romain HODAPP <romain_hodapp@...>)
16616. AW: AW: [BoundaryPoint] Non-Euro States
       I prefer to stick to the bible. ... Von: Romain HODAPP [mailto:romain_hodapp@yahoo.fr] Gesendet: Dienstag, 8. Februar 2005 11:24 An:
       Feb 08, 2005 @ 10:54 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16617. Re: AW: AW: [BoundaryPoint] Non-Euro States
       The bible, the maintenance of the churches, of the priests... are not done by miracle! The State of the Vatican is double: at the same time the spiritual
       Feb 08, 2005 @ 11:14 - Romain HODAPP (Romain HODAPP <romain_hodapp@...>)
16618. AW: AW: AW: [BoundaryPoint] Non-Euro States
       Nothing abnormal? ... Von: Romain HODAPP [mailto:romain_hodapp@yahoo.fr] Gesendet: Dienstag, 8. Februar 2005 12:14 An: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Betreff:
       Feb 08, 2005 @ 11:56 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16619. Re: AW: AW: AW: [BoundaryPoint] Non-Euro States
       yes and what ??? Wolfgang Schaub wrote:Nothing abnormal? ... Von: Romain HODAPP [mailto:romain_hodapp@yahoo.fr] Gesendet:
       Feb 08, 2005 @ 12:01 - Romain HODAPP (Romain HODAPP <romain_hodapp@...>)
16620. Re: Green Island Ile Verte SPM
       Hello, And the result ... is updated on the page http://www.geocities.com/romain_hodapp/Ile-verte.html Right or wrong ??? Romain ... dans
       Feb 08, 2005 @ 14:31 - romain_hodapp ("romain_hodapp" <romain_hodapp@...>)
16621. Re: Green Island Ile Verte SPM
       ... please see one insert below ... ... logiciel ... frontière ... but this says the southwesternmost islet of the group & that has been our
       Feb 08, 2005 @ 14:51 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16622. Re: Green Island Ile Verte SPM
       oh ok i see now you are taking both the stated coords & this map at their word ok that is interesting now so i think the only way to resolve the apparent
       Feb 08, 2005 @ 15:17 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16623. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Green Island Ile Verte SPM
       I am also agree with you. I think that you are right. But it is confused. I have updated my page with a red line :
       Feb 08, 2005 @ 15:49 - Romain HODAPP (Romain HODAPP <romain_hodapp@...>)
16624. Re: Green Island Ile Verte SPM
       thank you & i believe we are in complete agreement now however provisional & of course the most delicious outstanding question for which we also need this
       Feb 08, 2005 @ 16:08 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16625. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Green Island Ile Verte SPM
       This is all very exciting. I have tried without luck to get some information concerning the SPM-NFLD boundary from the Canadian gov t. I will try again... If,
       Feb 08, 2005 @ 19:02 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
16626. Re: Green Island Ile Verte SPM
       doug when you went to the map store mentioned in 8256 & 8264 did you ask for canadian hydrographic service charts 4490 & 405 & if not could you try again & ask
       Feb 08, 2005 @ 19:57 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16627. the border hole that eats zambia
       http://allafrica.com/stories/200502080419.html http://allafrica.com/stories/200502040272.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail -
       Feb 08, 2005 @ 20:39 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16628. daily breeze was aw aw aw non euro states
       romain ... hahahahaha hahahahahaha well you seem to have silenced him with that one my friend hahaha & somewhat earlier the former wolfgang ... Instead of ...
       Feb 09, 2005 @ 13:39 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16629. yikes bp sparking new arc follies
       http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/10850653.htm?1c
       Feb 09, 2005 @ 14:03 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16630. Re: Namibia-Zambia
       you must mean zambia zimbabwe then rather than namibia which does not extend below the mouth of the chobe at bwnazm or bwnazmzw so presumably this bridge
       Feb 09, 2005 @ 14:58 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16631. Re: International Date Line marker
       i agree completely with manfred in http://egroups.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/16585 the text of this marker which is actually an advertisement for a nearby
       Feb 09, 2005 @ 15:32 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16632. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Namibia-Zambia
       you are right, my mother visited namibia. from there they visited victoria falls. i was wrong in the opinion, that this must be a border to namibia, but she
       Feb 09, 2005 @ 16:49 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
16633. Re: Green Island Ile Verte SPM
       & more to the point doug i should take this opportunity to introduce you to romain as the one who brought ile verte to our attention in the first place back in
       Feb 09, 2005 @ 18:01 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16634. Re: Photo tripoint SLO I A
       nice presentation & good to see you since i am still a tricountry point virgin myself i am hoping one of our several actual visitors to this point will comment
       Feb 09, 2005 @ 18:21 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16635. Re: Namibia-Zambia
       well then if she traveled by river from namibia to victoria falls then she must have passed directly thru the bwnazmzw quadripoint or quadriarea at the chobe
       Feb 09, 2005 @ 18:42 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16636. Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes bp sparking new arc follies
       have to sign up. Please copy and paste text. Jesper ... From: aletheiak To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 3:03 PM Subject:
       Feb 09, 2005 @ 19:50 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16637. Re: [BoundaryPoint] tp map: BGCSRO
       I wouldn t worry Nobody will do a class A, just a class river bank - BG side. Jesper ... From: aletheia kallos To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday,
       Feb 09, 2005 @ 19:53 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16638. Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes bp sparking new arc follies
       right you are my apologies & thats funny because it worked before but anyway it was an impartial pennsylvania view of the matter & no loss really since here
       Feb 10, 2005 @ 00:02 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16639. Re: [BoundaryPoint] tp map: BGCSRO
       excellent since unworried i am sure youll be fine in any case it also occurs to me in such cases to try to buy a ride on something that would normally carry
       Feb 10, 2005 @ 00:34 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16640. Re: Seborga's currency
       I m responding to only the first of many messages I ve seen from you thus far... Re: National Euros of the others: they all have the right to issue Euro
       Feb 10, 2005 @ 00:46 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
16641. Re: Non-Euro States
       He issued a lot of lead, nickel, copper and other coins , too. I call them nothing more than medals - they never had any circulating value. LN ... Urgell, ...
       Feb 10, 2005 @ 00:55 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
16642. Re: daily breeze was aw aw aw non euro states
       ... item returned for insufficient funs What? We don t have enough fun? I thought we were flush with it. I give us more credit. LN
       Feb 10, 2005 @ 01:00 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
16643. Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes bp sparking new arc follies
       I read the article this morning without any registration required. Later in the day, when Jesper posted, I tried it again, and registration was demanded!
       Feb 10, 2005 @ 02:24 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16644. aerial photos tp Belg/Deu/Neder
       http://www.trois-frontieres.be marcel
       Feb 10, 2005 @ 08:56 - marcelmiquelcat ("marcelmiquelcat" <marcelmiquel@...>)
16645. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Photo tripoint SLO I A
       ... double thanks !! ... ok !! what is the rule for encode it ? ... If someone want a better and bigger picture(s), I can send him(her) individually (about 300
       Feb 10, 2005 @ 10:50 - Romain HODAPP (Romain HODAPP <romain_hodapp@...>)
16646. Russia Extremes (and relation to 180 Meridien)
       I m a lurker in this group. But I was curious if anybody has the exact coordinates for the geographic extremes for Russia since it straddles the 180 Meridien.
       Feb 10, 2005 @ 13:22 - Roger_Rowlett ("Roger_Rowlett" <roger.rowlett@...>)
16647. condo delu
       Please, read the art. 2(2), of the 1984 condominium treaty. Are these pieces of land enclaves or I have misundertood that? http://tinyurl.com/6sxjo ( page 539
       Feb 10, 2005 @ 14:55 - marcelmiquelcat ("marcelmiquelcat" <marcelmiquel@...>)
16648. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: daily breeze was aw aw aw non euro states
       ... hahahaha good one youre hired our new central banker now about that loan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get
       Feb 10, 2005 @ 15:02 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16649. Re: condo delu
       i dont see them yet in either case but do you mean article 1 paragraph 2 page 539 or article 2 paragraph 2 page 540
       Feb 10, 2005 @ 15:18 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16650. Re: condo delu
       sorry, article 2 paragraph 2 page 540 ( cf. the paragraph 1 ) If there are not enclaves, Wwhy did they specially mention these small pieces of land, one
       Feb 10, 2005 @ 15:31 - marcelmiquelcat ("marcelmiquelcat" <marcelmiquel@...>)
16651. Re: Russia Extremes (and relation to 180 Meridien)
       the map at the end of this official but as yet unratified treaty http://russia.shaps.hawaii.edu/fp/us/agree.html gives west longitude 168deg 58min 37sec as wet
       Feb 10, 2005 @ 15:51 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16652. Re: condo delu
       ok thanx i see now but it seems to me that if they are using the words droit & gauche here to refer to the banks of the rivers in the same way as we do in
       Feb 10, 2005 @ 16:29 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16653. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: condo delu
       It is really hard to understand even in french and for a French !!! They refer to maps in annex 1, 2 and 4. I tried to see something on www.viamichelin.fr and
       Feb 10, 2005 @ 16:39 - Romain HODAPP (Romain HODAPP <romain_hodapp@yahoo.fr>)
16654. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Photo tripoint SLO I A
       romain ... well it isnt really a rule but a sometime habit & a big help in searching bp to just alphabetize the official 2 letter country codes ... indeed yes
       Feb 10, 2005 @ 17:38 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16655. Re: condo delu
       ... yes & these annexes will settle any remaining question directly but in the meantime would you not agree that droit & gauche here must refer to the banks of
       Feb 10, 2005 @ 18:26 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16656. Murder on a Border
       This may sound a bit pedantic, but I ve been wondering what would happen if a killer placed the corpse on an actual border. Say it was on a straight line
       Feb 10, 2005 @ 18:59 - sdrawkcabdom ("sdrawkcabdom" <sdrawkcab8@...>)
16657. BGGRTR
       Well, these three map sites: map24.com, mapquest.com and multimap seem to agree on a trisland. See attachments. A Turkish news story
       Feb 10, 2005 @ 20:11 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
16658. CNMNRUE picture
       http://www.canonfans.com/digest/6/27514120221.htm Jesper
       Feb 10, 2005 @ 20:13 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16659. GRTR
       Photo http://www.jerusalem-pedibus.net/site_fr/index_fr.html?page=/site_fr/im_pages/ptu01_fr.html Same signs used in TRNC in Cyprus. Jesper
       Feb 10, 2005 @ 20:27 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16660. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Murder on a Border
       Does anyone remember the results of the case (old!) where some guy was chasing another guy and the guy in back shot the guy in front. The problem was that the
       Feb 10, 2005 @ 20:28 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
16661. Re: BGGRTR
       agreed nice situation too & it warrants further investigation & an open mind since there could be something more recent than the ibs that we dont yet know
       Feb 10, 2005 @ 20:33 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16662. Re: CNMNRUE picture
       bravissimos & standing ovations our first world class virgin pic find in perhaps years but what does it say & how did you identify her could this be from our
       Feb 10, 2005 @ 20:45 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16663. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CNMNRUE picture
       Sent to me/Borderbase from a non BP member in NZ. Jesper ... From: aletheiak To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 9:45 PM
       Feb 10, 2005 @ 20:49 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16664. Re: Russia Extremes (and relation to 180 Meridien)
       Thanks that was exactly what I was looking for. Most people probably think the 180 dateline meridian passes between Russia and the U.S. between the Diomede
       Feb 10, 2005 @ 20:53 - Roger_Rowlett ("Roger_Rowlett" <roger.rowlett@...>)
16665. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Murder on a Border
       The Oetzi case perhaps may provide guidance...? The corpse was secured by Austrians, but lies in an Italian museum now, after some legal hassle. Wolfgang ...
       Feb 10, 2005 @ 21:02 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16666. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Murder on a Border
       Not a murder but: There was a guy in Berlin named John Runnings who regularly lay on the dividing line at Checkpoint Charlie and tried to get the East German
       Feb 10, 2005 @ 21:31 - John J. Kelly ("John J. Kelly" <johnkelly@...>)
16667. Re: AW: [BoundaryPoint] Murder on a Border
       An even better conundrum: What would happen if a murder took place at a tri-point? The killer in country A shoots victim, who is in country B and the body
       Feb 10, 2005 @ 21:34 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
16668. Re: Russia Extremes (and relation to 180 Meridien)
       roger i can confirm from my 250k scale radar image mosaic map of the rat islands a personal favorite of mine btw that semisopochnoi island is less than 10
       Feb 10, 2005 @ 21:33 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16669. Re: CNMNRUE picture
       do you know what it says or how it was identified as such ... of Service.
       Feb 10, 2005 @ 21:38 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16670. inspiration on a Border
       ... hahaha but very nice indeed john & apologizing for it not being a murder too hahahahaha hahahahahaha you droll fellow you daring to change the topic on us
       Feb 10, 2005 @ 21:46 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16671. Re: CNMNRUE picture
       ahh no need to answer my questions after all for certainly this elevated platform on stilts fits well with the bogs & salt marshes that were reported to be in
       Feb 10, 2005 @ 22:09 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16672. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Murder on a Border
       Doesn t matter where the murder was committed. Being murdered is not a crime. Firing the weapon is the crime. John ... ===== You only get one chance on this
       Feb 10, 2005 @ 22:10 - Seymour Dupa (Seymour Dupa <grumpy_44134@...>)
16673. you are the creator of all
       you are the creator of all that occurs in all of your life experience you create your physical life experience through your thoughts literally every thought
       Feb 10, 2005 @ 22:24 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16674. murder on border
       About 1970 there was a case between NSW and Victoria. A chap in Victoria (Reid or Read) )took a gun and shot someone fishing on the Murray river bank, in order
       Feb 10, 2005 @ 22:47 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
16675. Re: Russia Extremes (and relation to 180 Meridien)
       ok our latest exchange crossed in the mail but no matter my great circle arc calculation between the stated degminsec coords for dry rue & wet rue is 1029
       Feb 10, 2005 @ 22:54 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16676. RE: Murder on a Border
       Speaking of Murder on a Border... Some of you in the USA may be aware that a little piece of land connected to New Jersey extends out into the Delaware River
       Feb 10, 2005 @ 23:05 - Ron McConnell ("Ron McConnell" <rcmcc@...>)
16677. Re: Russia Extremes (and relation to 180 Meridian)
       Interesting thread. Speaking of great circle calculators, I have a freeware great circle/geodesic calculator, GCGC, on my web site below. GCGC has been
       Feb 10, 2005 @ 23:08 - Ron McConnell ("Ron McConnell" <rcmcc@...>)
16678. killcohook & more on a border
       ron ... indeed this was mentioned as recently as this morning in 16638 & there is a similar but smaller & less well known piece of delaware connected to new
       Feb 10, 2005 @ 23:47 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16679. Re: killcohook & more on a border
       interestingly this lesser bit of rive gauche delaware was not the direct result of such an avulsion as killcohook was nor could accretion ever create any left
       Feb 11, 2005 @ 01:14 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16680. Re: killcohook & more on a border
       more on both these dry denj tongues in messages 1525 & 10071 & 10078 ... of ... to ... that ... nuclear ... wet ... jersey
       Feb 11, 2005 @ 01:30 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16681. Re: killcohook & more on a border
       also message 605 toward the end & i know i get a bit carried away here but it is an interesting one too ... result ...
       Feb 11, 2005 @ 01:57 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16682. maps.google.com
       If you want to take a look at the next great thing take a look at: http://maps.google.com It currently only works for the Lower 48 of the U.S. but Google is
       Feb 11, 2005 @ 02:36 - Roger_Rowlett ("Roger_Rowlett" <roger.rowlett@...>)
16683. Re: [BoundaryPoint] maps.google.com
       It s a pretty amazing interface. And they cover Canada too... except highway numbers are shown as being U.S. Interstates. CAUS is somewhat accurate -- in
       Feb 11, 2005 @ 03:00 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
16684. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Russia Extremes (and relation to 180 Meridien)
       I know that by easternmost and westernmost, you (both Roger and Mike) are referring to the most highly numbered east and west longitudes, but that is an
       Feb 11, 2005 @ 04:29 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16685. RE: [BoundaryPoint] maps.google.com
       I have found some pretty bizarre results from it, however, when it can t locate a place. I typed in a defunct town in Colorado for which I was trying to
       Feb 11, 2005 @ 05:53 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
16686. Re: [BoundaryPoint] maps.google.com
       Kevin, As an experiment, I typed in garfield co , and it gave me ten businesses and public offices in Kansas and Oklahoma, centered around Coffeyville,
       Feb 11, 2005 @ 06:52 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16687. Literature
       For those of you who wish to add a little culture to your hobby: „Alle Schranken sind bloß des Übersteigens wegen da.“ - All borders are only made to
       Feb 11, 2005 @ 08:52 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16688. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CNMNRUE picture
       Website is from an expedition to the China-Russia-Mongolia tripoint. The railway checkpoint showing PRC and USSR gates is at Manzhouli, Inner Mongolia
       Feb 11, 2005 @ 13:06 - Richard Lam ("Richard Lam" <richardlam11@...>)
16689. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Literature
       good morning lovely thanx ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less.
       Feb 11, 2005 @ 13:11 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16690. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Russia Extremes (and relation to 180 Meridien)
       zzzzz zzzzz zzzzz ... zzzzz aha then you may only be dreaming we are asleep so try pinching yourself first ... hahaha well excuuuuuse us at the same time it is
       Feb 11, 2005 @ 13:54 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16691. RE: killcohook & more on a border
       aletheiak says, indeed this was mentioned as recently as this morning in 16638 [and more] Ah! I should pay more attention. I ll check back. Thanks for the
       Feb 11, 2005 @ 16:55 - Ron McConnell ("Ron McConnell" <rcmcc@...>)
16692. RE: [BoundaryPoint] maps.google.com
       Thanks. Now why wouldn t it find Garfield CO in the first place? The same search on Mapquest brings it right up. ... From: Lowell G. McManus
       Feb 11, 2005 @ 17:23 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
16693. Re: killcohook & more on a border
       doc ... ever after i look like homer simpson on one of his brighter days ... makes perfect sense & all together a great fit
       Feb 11, 2005 @ 17:45 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16694. Re: killcohook & less
       ... dohhh i think like him on one of his brighter days too for if the dirt really came from dredging the shipping channel as we both believe is likely then of
       Feb 11, 2005 @ 21:44 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16695. killcohook & still less
       ... of ... to ... that ... & here is some already in item 4 of http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=2 95&invol=694 the 7th numbered
       Feb 11, 2005 @ 22:59 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16696. possible explanation for undermeasurement of 12mile arc
       ... http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=2 ... http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=2 ... extending the new
       Feb 12, 2005 @ 12:42 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16697. meanwhile denj follies advance
       http://www.courierpostonline.com/news/southjersey/m021205b.htm __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage.
       Feb 12, 2005 @ 12:50 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16698. yikes more bits of left bank delaware found
       closer examination of the jersey shore within the 12mile circle has turned up at least half a dozen additional tongues of transdelawarean delaware all
       Feb 12, 2005 @ 16:20 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16699. Re: [BoundaryPoint] possible explanation for undermeasurement of 12mile arc
       I m trying to find the time to delve into the legal history of this short arc segment in an effort to understand its apparent undermeasurement, but in the
       Feb 12, 2005 @ 18:05 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16700. Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes more bits of left bank delaware found
       According to Microsoft Streets & Trips, the street running onto the first of these from the south-southeast is named Ferry Road. This suggests that the
       Feb 12, 2005 @ 18:45 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16701. Is this a BDIN border marker?
       http://www.ubphotos.com/pics/tripura/06_04_04_Tripura02 (http://www.ubphotos.com/home/index.php?lang=l1&catID=6) Jesper
       Feb 13, 2005 @ 10:55 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16702. DDR boundary site (in German)
       Here is an excellent link about the East German border: http://www.passkontrolle-ddr.de/ Enjoy! Doug (I bet it s even better if you can read German!)
       Feb 13, 2005 @ 17:05 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
16703. Re: yikes more bits of left bank delaware found
       The boundaries on these maps don t seem to be very accurate - so I wouldn t put any stock in someone saying their showing a jetty built out from the NJ shore
       Feb 13, 2005 @ 17:32 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
16704. AW: [BoundaryPoint] DDR boundary site (in German)
       The link is excellent, indeed; it describes, however, only one aspect: travelling to and from West Berlin to the Federal Republic. At least six more aspects
       Feb 13, 2005 @ 18:15 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16705. Re: [BoundaryPoint] possible explanation for undermeasurement of 12mile arc
       ... fantastic & when you can please read or reread first of all that the center point of the undermeasured 1934 arc is stated in the same 1935 supreme court
       Feb 13, 2005 @ 19:26 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16706. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: yikes more bits of left bank delaware found
       ... good point not just here but practically always & we can always hope for better maps too & one more insert below - so I ...
       Feb 13, 2005 @ 20:07 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16707. Re: AW: [BoundaryPoint] DDR boundary site (in German)
       ... hahahahahaha is that just your funny way of putting things again or do you really believe they shouldnt be forgotten & if so then why not but in the
       Feb 13, 2005 @ 20:29 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16708. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: yikes more bits of left bank delaware found
       After reading Len s message, and before reaching Mike s answer, I consulted a large map in my collection that was issued by the DC government in 1976. I was
       Feb 13, 2005 @ 21:19 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16709. Re: yikes more bits of left bank delaware found
       thanxx your complements & specific aspersion dispersions are all very well taken indeed tho i am still accepting of lens aspersions here generally ... answer,
       Feb 13, 2005 @ 22:09 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16710. Re: Is this a BDIN border marker?
       it looks & almost feels like it must be & yet i appreciate you are right to put it as a question til confirmed but i bet arif &or brendan must have seen some
       Feb 13, 2005 @ 22:16 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16711. Re: [BoundaryPoint] possible explanation for undermeasurement of 12mile arc
       Okay. If the Supremes specified the courthouse spire as the center point, then we re back to square one. I ll be glad to contact Mr. Schenck this week to pose
       Feb 13, 2005 @ 23:43 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16712. Re: [BoundaryPoint] possible explanation for undermeasurement of 12mile arc
       I ve read what the Supremes had to say in 1934 and 1935, and I ve written to Mr. Schenck in Delaware. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA
       Feb 14, 2005 @ 04:25 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16713. BD-IN marker
       Yes. It will say Bangladesh on the other side, and presumably be numbered. There will probably be stones painted white with a number and an arrow in black next
       Feb 14, 2005 @ 09:13 - bwhyte@unimelb.edu.au (bwhyte@...)
16714. a paper on enclaves and exclaves
       If you re not already familiar with this paper, please take a look. It provides a summary of many things: http://www.vinokurov.info/downloads/enclaves.pdf Rolf
       Feb 14, 2005 @ 11:30 - Rolf Palmberg ("Rolf Palmberg" <rpalmber@...>)
16715. Re: a paper on enclaves and exclaves
       ... indeed good to see so many of our original ideas & coinages & findings & old friends both human & clavic here & look at how far the author has come in less
       Feb 14, 2005 @ 13:33 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16716. Re: [BoundaryPoint] possible explanation for undermeasurement of 12mile arc
       ... great for if this sandy schenck of yours is the same person as my earlier contact william s schenck then he was apparently unaware of or at least not
       Feb 14, 2005 @ 14:42 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16717. Re: [BoundaryPoint] possible explanation for undermeasurement of 12mile arc
       Yes, he is William S. Sandy Schenck. Learn about him and see his picture at http://www.udel.edu/dgs/DGS/Staff/wss.html . He s a hard-rock geologist, not a
       Feb 14, 2005 @ 16:46 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16718. Re: [BoundaryPoint] possible explanation for undermeasurement of 12mile arc
       good show so we can hold the missing & also very significant 180th delaware border stone in reserve then too for this info suggests sandy will be better for
       Feb 14, 2005 @ 18:32 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16719. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: BGGRTR
       I wonder what happened there in 98-11? http://www.boundaries.com/ibm_idx.htm Jesper ... From: aletheiak To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday,
       Feb 14, 2005 @ 21:29 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16720. BGGRTR picture
       Well here it is http://www.edirneninsesi.com/haber.php?subaction=showfull&id=1108220958&archive=&start_from=&ucat=3& Tripoint dance looks possible, if tp is
       Feb 15, 2005 @ 10:58 - jesniel@image.dk (jesniel@...)
16721. AW: [BoundaryPoint] BGGRTR picture
       The headline says: Turkish-Bulgarian and Greek Friendship Island The story with the 2-2.5 metres is disappointingly easy: They found it useful to set up
       Feb 15, 2005 @ 11:57 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16722. AW: [BoundaryPoint] BGGRTR picture
       ...translating the PG with Respublika Bulgaria, using the cyrillic P for R and the b for B. ... Von: jesniel@tiscali.dk [mailto:jesniel@tiscali.dk]Im Auftrag
       Feb 15, 2005 @ 12:12 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16723. Re: BGGRTR picture
       http://www.translation-guide.com/free_online_translators.php? from=Bulgarian&to=English an on-line bulgarian-to-english traslator . You can only understand
       Feb 15, 2005 @ 14:01 - marcelmiquelcat ("marcelmiquelcat" <marcelmiquel@...>)
16724. Re: AW: [BoundaryPoint] BGGRTR picture
       bravos jesper & wolfgang & marcel & please do try to glean as much more data from the text as you can since this is not yet a clear bggrtr but so far only a
       Feb 15, 2005 @ 14:10 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16725. frnl reconstruction underway on st martin
       http://www.thedailyherald.com/news/daily/h230/wall230.html this strikes me as remarkable in view of how elusive we have found this boundary to be & also in
       Feb 15, 2005 @ 14:33 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16726. delaware fires back
       http://www.delawareonline.com/newsjournal/local/2005/02/15delawarefiresba.html yikes the 1934 & 1935 supreme court decisions are under review by nj now too
       Feb 15, 2005 @ 15:18 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16727. AW: [BoundaryPoint] BGGRTR picture
       Kavak, by the way, means poplar . No wonder, taken the moist ground. Give me some days, and I will have translated everything - provided we have no native
       Feb 15, 2005 @ 15:42 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16728. Re: possible explanation for undermeasurement of 12mile arc
       Lowell says, William S. Sandy Schenck ...he s apparently the State of Delaware s go-to guy on its boundaries. I recall someone else in DE being involved,
       Feb 15, 2005 @ 16:13 - Ron McConnell ("Ron McConnell" <rcmcc@...>)
16729. Re: [BoundaryPoint] delaware fires back
       There are, of course two questions at issue between Delaware and New Jersey. One is whether Delaware should or should not allow the construction of the pier
       Feb 15, 2005 @ 16:52 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16730. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: possible explanation for undermeasurement of 12mile arc
       ... hahaha & good idea & overall number too for nj guru or the closest thing to it i would nominate our rich castagna whom the supreme court used & who was
       Feb 15, 2005 @ 17:00 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16731. Re: delaware fires back
       wowwww hahahahaha & that covers the fudge job forever too hahahahahaha for it means nobody ever including ourselves now can legally discuss & dispute the
       Feb 15, 2005 @ 17:27 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16732. Lovers Swap Valentines at Border Gap
       Lovers Swap Valentines at Border Gap Tue Feb 15, 8:36 AM ET By Tim Gaynor MEXICALI, Mexico (Reuters) - Star-crossed lovers clasped hands, kissed and exchanged
       Feb 15, 2005 @ 19:02 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <w1wh@...>)
16733. meanwhile just to keep delaware arcing
       fortunately we already have a legal delaware arc topic to pursue alongside our now illegal one in case anyone is squeamish or wants some cover namely the
       Feb 15, 2005 @ 20:00 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16734. Re: AW: [BoundaryPoint] BGGRTR picture
       A reliable friend of me, claims this document confirms a tripoint on the island. 85 m2 of the island is Greek.
       Feb 15, 2005 @ 22:05 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16735. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BGGRTR picture
       hey anything is possible ibs to the contrary notwithstanding since bggrtr could have been subsequently revised too perhaps even in november 1998 per that
       Feb 15, 2005 @ 22:28 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16736. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BGGRTR picture
       Summary of the Turkish page (edirneninsesi) about the decleration of Bulgarian Consul to Edirne: 1/2 of the Island belongs to Turkey, 1/4 to BU and 1/4 to GR.
       Feb 15, 2005 @ 23:43 - Border Line (Border Line <borderln@...>)
16737. Re: one final mystery among the delaware arcs
       digging this message 12321 out of the archive has also rattled my brain enough to completely reconstruct the puzzle & then also to recall that tho i cant put
       Feb 16, 2005 @ 00:34 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16738. Re: one final mystery among the delaware arcs
       er sheepishly something must be not quite right here hahahaha for i am getting equally bizarre readings on several different great circle distance calculators
       Feb 16, 2005 @ 02:42 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16739. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: one final mystery among the delaware arcs
       ok having slept on this i am pretty sure now that it is just some sort of java anomaly due to the silly old browser i am using dohhh even tho it seemed to be
       Feb 16, 2005 @ 12:59 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16740. The greater picture
       After looking too much towards the past I felt I should look a bit into the future now. Following your discussions on intra-U.S. boundaries I begin to wonder
       Feb 16, 2005 @ 13:01 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16741. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BGGRTR picture
       welcome volkan & thanx this makes it sound like there is already a good chance that there will at least be something special & multilateral there on kavak
       Feb 16, 2005 @ 13:32 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16742. RE: [BoundaryPoint] The greater picture
       Hi Wolfgang, Interesting thought but I doubt that it could ever happen. The constitution etc was very adamant and the feelings very strong to maintain the
       Feb 16, 2005 @ 13:42 - Shankland(Train) ("Shankland\(Train\)" <shankland@...>)
16743. state & federal waters & their tripoints under review
       this article reveals that all state territorial waters & thus all 18 or 20 federal waters tripoints are presently under active review by the feds
       Feb 16, 2005 @ 14:12 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16744. Re: possible explanation ... -> Donald M. Mulcare
       Following up.. A google search for Donald M. Mulcare who in 1996 described himself as NGS Advisor to Maryland donald.mulcare@alumni.umw.edu Listed as:
       Feb 16, 2005 @ 15:26 - Ron McConnell ("Ron McConnell" <rcmcc@...>)
16745. Sandy Schenck Speaks!
       Below is the reply sent early this morning by Mr. William S. Schenck of the Delaware Geological Survey in answer to my inquiry regarding the under-measurement
       Feb 16, 2005 @ 15:34 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16746. AW: [BoundaryPoint] The greater picture
       Hi John, Maybe you did not get the point, John: Nothing against states as such: I had proposed 6 typical ones to replace the 50 odd. I remember having
       Feb 16, 2005 @ 15:55 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16747. Re: [BoundaryPoint] The greater picture
       Wolfgang, Yes, this kind of talk from a foreigner (particularly a European) has the potential to rub patriotic Americans the wrong way, but I accept your
       Feb 16, 2005 @ 17:58 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16748. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Sandy Schenck Speaks!
       nice going & please look for several specific comments inserted ... great & now everyone can see what a must read this article is for any of these arc
       Feb 16, 2005 @ 18:01 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16749. Re: AW: [BoundaryPoint] The greater picture
       Thanks for the history of the Laender. I had been wondering if they were holdovers from the various entities that united to form Germany or not. Is there a
       Feb 16, 2005 @ 18:47 - Eric Choate (Eric Choate <choatune@...>)
16750. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Sandy Schenck Speaks!
       Not to argue, but I would more nearly believe the theory of a bizarre projection of the compound curve than I do the theory of reverse discrimination to
       Feb 16, 2005 @ 18:45 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16751. Re: Sandy Schenck Speaks!
       ... bizarre projection ... really hahaha even after reading in the 1935 supreme court decision that the common arc of a common circle centered on the common
       Feb 16, 2005 @ 19:10 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16752. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: delaware fires back
       I think we re all safe so long as we seek the Court s reasoning without disputing their finding. By the way, Delaware was similarly enjoined vis-à-vis New
       Feb 15, 2005 @ 18:34 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16753. Re: delaware fires back
       hahahahaha & just when i find something i really would like to dispute at last but of course we are all safe in any case so long as we are having fun ...
       Feb 16, 2005 @ 19:28 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16754. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: delaware fires back
       yikes i have to correct myself i would not really like to dispute even this supreme idiocy & i wouldnt even like to dispute the idea that i cant legally
       Feb 16, 2005 @ 20:29 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16755. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BGGRTR picture
       My reliable friend tells me the BG document says this: Island in Maritsa becomes example of Balkan co-operation (2004-11-25) http:/focus-news.net// Island in
       Feb 16, 2005 @ 20:35 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16756. AW: [BoundaryPoint] The greater picture
       Lowell and Eric, Thank you so much for the effort you took in responding. Excellent reasoning. No need to challenge anything you say. Comparing the U.S. and
       Feb 16, 2005 @ 20:56 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16757. Re: BGGRTR picture
       well the newspaper may well be right about everything it does after all agree with that old soviet map even as everything it reports still sounds so purely
       Feb 16, 2005 @ 21:10 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16758. todays sunbeam
       curiously the dispute seems to have quieted down overnite into business & government as usual so maybe they all just noticed the futility of it too &or the
       Feb 16, 2005 @ 21:55 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16759. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: BGGRTR picture
       To build a facility sounds good but from the point of realistic view, considering the 3 customs on a small island soft soil for instruction overflood risk
       Feb 16, 2005 @ 23:23 - Border Line (Border Line <borderln@...>)
16760. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: possible explanation for undermeasurement of 12mile arc
       Still no word from Mr. Schenck. Whatever the reason is for the under-measurement of this particular arc of the twelve-mile circle, it seems purposeful. We
       Feb 15, 2005 @ 18:26 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16761. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Sandy Schenck Speaks!
       Please see insertions at two places below. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: aletheiak To:
       Feb 17, 2005 @ 05:45 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16762. Re: [BoundaryPoint] The greater picture
       Wolfgang wrote: Within Europe, I would feel, the French system would suit my personal taste best: Strong central government, plus a multitude of Départements
       Feb 17, 2005 @ 05:59 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16763. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: possible explanation for undermeasurement of 12mile arc
       I have just now received from BP this Wednesday night this message that I posted Tuesday afternoon. Of course, we HAVE heard from Mr. Schenck by now, etc.,
       Feb 17, 2005 @ 05:08 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16764. Re: AW: [BoundaryPoint] The greater picture
       ... I can t comment on all of these, but I can say that the Swiss cantons are probably the most autonomous, followed by the Australian states. The American
       Feb 17, 2005 @ 06:44 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16765. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: BGGRTR picture
       The locals know already very well which mechanisms lead to release of European money. Any friendship declaration at the periphery makes the Brussels
       Feb 17, 2005 @ 09:35 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16766. GERU Border at the Darial Gorge
       Travelling from Vladikavkaz to Tbilisi on the historical Georgian Military Road one has to cross the RU-GE border in the Darial Gorge, as shown on the Soviet
       Feb 17, 2005 @ 11:44 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16767. Re: AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: BGGRTR picture
       yes & all these fairly obvious clashing realities you recite here & the still more pertinent & telling considerations brought by volkan in 16766 which you may
       Feb 17, 2005 @ 14:37 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16768. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Sandy Schenck Speaks!
       inserts galore ... ok but what is all this about & with emphasis added yet for i dont yet follow your er argument or distinction or point or whatever it is you
       Feb 17, 2005 @ 16:05 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16769. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: possible explanation for undermeasurement of 12mile arc
       ... good please see below ... yes indeed literally far fetched & it would require a new original blunder in the 1893 demarcation to be compounded by this new
       Feb 17, 2005 @ 17:10 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16770. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Sandy Schenck Speaks!
       We ve been brainstorming some very far-fetched theories in an attempt to explain the irrational mess that the Supremes created by their gross
       Feb 17, 2005 @ 17:33 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16771. Re: Sandy Schenck Speaks!
       what do you mean by wrangling ... an attempt to ... gross ... see it in print. I m ... you posted. ... wrangling until we have
       Feb 17, 2005 @ 17:44 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16772. Re: Sandy Schenck Speaks!
       ... their ... keep ... or maybe you just mean you yourself would probably thank me to stop reminding you when the evidence we do already have makes your
       Feb 17, 2005 @ 19:00 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16773. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Sandy Schenck Speaks!
       What you re doing now! :-) ... From: aletheiak To: Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 11:44 AM Subject:
       Feb 17, 2005 @ 22:39 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16774. Re: Sandy Schenck Speaks!
       hahahahaha you either need a new dictionary or a new smile
       Feb 17, 2005 @ 22:59 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16775. Access to Special Masters' reports
       Reports of Special Masters in all US federal courts are covered by this rule: _____ Federal Rules of Civil Procedure Rule 53 -- Masters (e) Report. (1)
       Feb 18, 2005 @ 02:08 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16776. German-Czech Border Change
       Last week, the German government published the law that placed into effect the negotiated recitification of the border with the Czech republic at the border
       Feb 18, 2005 @ 03:24 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
16777. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Sandy Schenck Speaks!
       See one insertion. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: aletheiak To: Sent: Thursday,
       Feb 17, 2005 @ 23:08 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16778. Re: German-Czech Border Change
       very nice indeed many times over & well worth the searching out as this handsomely depicted boundary line was exactly rectified not only in the sense of being
       Feb 18, 2005 @ 13:33 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16779. Re: Sandy Schenck Speaks!
       ... McManus ... theories in ... we ... me to ... Artificial ... excuse me but i think your problem here since i know i have no problem myself is that all your
       Feb 18, 2005 @ 14:10 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16780. Re: Access to Special Masters' reports
       ... upon the matters ... required to make ... them forth in the ... and serve ... a jury, ... shall file with ... and the original ... the master shall ...
       Feb 18, 2005 @ 14:18 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16781. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Sandy Schenck Speaks!
       Mike D., ... So, do you suppose that the northern boundary of Tennesee is a single, unbroken line along 36° 30 ? No, that s a delimitation. The boundary as
       Feb 18, 2005 @ 16:20 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16782. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Access to Special Masters' reports
       All other Special Masters reports in state boundary cases that we have needed but never had are in the same Record Group 267.3.3, filed by case. You might go
       Feb 18, 2005 @ 16:28 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16783. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Sandy Schenck Speaks!
       ... hahahahaha hahahahahaha ahhh you have such a delicate way of putting things maestro & i am glad it came out this way but you are in the present case not
       Feb 18, 2005 @ 18:43 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16784. Re: Access to Special Masters' reports
       ... we have needed ... case. You might go ... hahahaha ha hahaha i feel your delicate touch again here er can you recall which ones we still need
       Feb 18, 2005 @ 18:47 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16785. kashmirs got a ticket to ride
       http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2005/feb/19/yehey/opinion/20050219opi6.html when roads are opened destiny comes closer yehey
       Feb 18, 2005 @ 19:12 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16786. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Access to Special Masters' reports
       Two insertions. ... From: aletheiak To: Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 12:47 PM Subject:
       Feb 18, 2005 @ 19:30 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16787. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Sandy Schenck Speaks!
       Okay, fine. I never said that I d done the math. I don t think anybody in present company has but you. I was only brainstorming suggestions in an attempt to
       Feb 18, 2005 @ 19:05 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16788. National Land Survey Organizations and Mapping Agencies, links to
       I could have missed it, but I don t recall seeing this list of links to National Land Survey Organizations and Mapping Agencies mentioned on the group in the
       Feb 18, 2005 @ 19:54 - Ron McConnell ("Ron McConnell" <rcmcc@...>)
16789. Historical Map Online Collection, David Rumsey
       Don’t recall this being mentioned either. Historical Map Online Collection, David Rumsey ... 11,000 maps online. The
       Feb 18, 2005 @ 19:59 - Ron McConnell ("Ron McConnell" <rcmcc@...>)
16790. Re: Sandy Schenck Speaks!
       most importantly thanx for the exquisite shading of the cherry blossoms in the companion piece for i certainly do love your companionship in all this lunacy
       Feb 18, 2005 @ 20:27 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16791. Thanks
       I will be leaving this group soon as the volume of email is too much for me to handle. I wanted to say goodbye and thank you for your help with the Principal
       Feb 18, 2005 @ 20:39 - Shankland(Train) ("Shankland\(Train\)" <shankland@...>)
16792. Re: Thanks
       hey thank you too tom & farewell if you must go all your contributions have been well appreciated nor was the tongue lashing you got from our self styled agent
       Feb 18, 2005 @ 20:52 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16793. Re: Thanks
       oops & yikes i do mean you john ... the
       Feb 18, 2005 @ 21:00 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16794. Re: one final mystery among the delaware arcs bites the dust leaving only 2 now
       you may remember the attached mess from a few days ago as message 16739 & tho i am still being entertained by the suspected java anomaly i do at least have it
       Feb 18, 2005 @ 22:48 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16795. first of this years 4 possible bp augural days blows thru
       the certain expectation & eager anticipation of today february 18th mentioned & explained in the 2005 bp inaugural tour final report one scroll click down in
       Feb 19, 2005 @ 00:58 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16796. Re: [BoundaryPoint] German-Czech Border Change
       I think the map went missing. Can you submit again, thanks? Jesper ... From: L. A. Nadybal To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005
       Feb 19, 2005 @ 14:47 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16797. Re: German-Czech Border Change
       in photos look under deutsche & see last item in that file ... placed into ... of Service.
       Feb 19, 2005 @ 15:28 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16798. Lewis and Clark "map" - Rubes comic
       This Rubes comic strip today struck my fancy and seems almost on-topic. :) Cheers, Ron
       Feb 19, 2005 @ 16:46 - Ron McConnell ("Ron McConnell" <rcmcc@...>)
16799. Border Change Map & UN Treaty Series
       1. Sorry for not saying in what folder I stuck the border change map. 2. To make up for it, here s a link to the website of a firm that is doing business in
       Feb 19, 2005 @ 17:32 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
16800. further delaware circlings & musings
       tho mason&dixon themselves didnt actually create any of the delaware arc sectors from scratch bus&ss indicates they did at least mark in 1765 the original demd
       Feb 19, 2005 @ 23:12 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16801. Re: Lewis and Clark "map" - Rubes comic
       hahahahaha ahhh good one always did confuse mason&dixon with lewis&clark anyway & i only just got it this morning too after rereading 16800 hahahaha & the
       Feb 20, 2005 @ 14:48 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16802. kashmir bus fulfilling dreams already in expectation of april 7 startup
       http://south-asia.news.designerz.com/villagers-expect-business-boom-from-trans-kashmir-bus.html?d20050220 stay tuned to this one
       Feb 20, 2005 @ 15:14 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16803. borderline tax zoning chaos advances
       http://www.siouxcityjournal.com/articles/2005/02/20/news_business/local/a972afd43bdf9a0b86256fad001c0ebe.txt longwinded but gets funnier as it goes
       Feb 20, 2005 @ 15:39 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16804. AW: [BoundaryPoint] borderline tax zoning chaos advances
       Lowell: This is the sort of stuff that made me (Euro) feel recently a simple border reform could help saving a lot of transaction costs, in the terminology of
       Feb 20, 2005 @ 20:01 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16805. United Arab Emirate - Qatar border: Does it exist?
       Sorry if this ahs been raised before, but there is much conflicting information on the question of whether the UAE and Qatar border or each other. The
       Feb 20, 2005 @ 20:35 - sdrawkcabdom ("sdrawkcabdom" <sdrawkcab8@...>)
16806. Re: United Arab Emirate - Qatar border: Does it exist?
       good perennial question dom for which no apology is necessary & tho the key link is already dead & i cant remember what it said hahaha i think message 11423
       Feb 20, 2005 @ 21:47 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16807. further reflections on the sandy schenck data
       excerpts from the original message with miscellaneous notes added ... the ... crossing of the Delaware ... found at this direct ... Pennsylvania 12-Mile ... i
       Feb 21, 2005 @ 00:22 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16808. Steinstuecken
       I finally have been able to digitize my slides of enclaves, and the first results are posted - in photos in the Steinstuecken folder. The first photo is almost
       Feb 21, 2005 @ 05:54 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
16809. rubbish in links-section
       hi, maybe someone can delete the offtopic links in te links-section, thanks
       Feb 21, 2005 @ 06:31 - max23568 ("max23568" <23568@...>)
16810. Re: [BoundaryPoint] rubbish in links-section
       Done! Thanks for the suggestion. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: max23568 To: Sent:
       Feb 21, 2005 @ 06:59 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16811. RE: [BoundaryPoint] German-Czech Border Change
       ________________________________ From: Jesper Nielsen [mailto:jesniel@image.dk] Sent: 19 February 2005 14:47 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re:
       Feb 21, 2005 @ 07:54 - Bill Burke ("Bill Burke" <billb@...>)
16812. WG: [BoundaryPoint] BGGRTR picture - Translated
       The full translation of the Edirne article as follows: The Island of Friendship on the border of Greece, Turkey and Bulgaria The Bulgarian General consul
       Feb 21, 2005 @ 11:31 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16813. Re: WG: [BoundaryPoint] BGGRTR picture - Translated
       bravo that sounds like hard data & a reliable expectation what fun & the fact that the bulgarian government of all parties is acknowledging a dry tripoint &or
       Feb 21, 2005 @ 13:33 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16814. Re: United Arab Emirate - Qatar border: Does it exist?
       thnaks for the link(s). I was wondering though if there s a way to search the site s archives at once, rather than having to go through the tedious process of
       Feb 21, 2005 @ 15:28 - sdrawkcabdom ("sdrawkcabdom" <sdrawkcab8@...>)
16815. Re: United Arab Emirate - Qatar border: Does it exist?
       well i am glad you asked because i have been noticing a vast improvement in our searchability recently sometimes our hand pump seach engine still does take up
       Feb 21, 2005 @ 15:58 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16816. new support for old denj guesses
       excerpts from last week with new findings added lowell ... well it seems you may not have been completely off the wall here even if you were off the map in
       Feb 21, 2005 @ 16:37 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16817. some perspectives on the center points
       1830 view of new castle waterfront suggests it had broader tidal flats than exist today upon which a thorofare evidently ran
       Feb 21, 2005 @ 18:33 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16818. Re: United Arab Emirate - Qatar border: Does it exist?
       You can do a Google search of the messages archived, here, too. Just put in a search term, then narrow the search to @Yahoo or similar or ... AND Boundary
       Feb 21, 2005 @ 19:14 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
16819. Re: United Arab Emirate - Qatar border: Does it exist?
       yes good point & if google isnt nearly so exhaustive as the bp search engine can be neither is it at all exhausting & since there are so many cross references
       Feb 21, 2005 @ 19:33 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16820. correction Re: some perspectives on the center points
       on the topo the court house is actually directly across the street to the east of the building labeled city hall & its longitude is actually about 2 seconds
       Feb 21, 2005 @ 19:54 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16821. more guesses about the depa arc direction & foreshortening
       sandy schencks stated belief that the original 1701 depa arc survey must have traveled from west to east because the 1892 markers that recapitulate it increase
       Feb 22, 2005 @ 02:11 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16822. Re: borderline tax zoning chaos advances
       http://www.sierratimes.com/05/02/21/state51.htm ... recently a simple ... the ... learn to win. ...
       Feb 22, 2005 @ 02:18 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16823. ha alaska claiming 150mile proruption of 3nm state waters
       http://www.news-miner.com/Stories/0,1413,113~7244~2725762,00.html http://www.kaktovik.com/anwr_map.jpg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The
       Feb 22, 2005 @ 13:09 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16824. muzaffarabad joyride freaks pandit
       http://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=13676310 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn
       Feb 22, 2005 @ 13:39 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16825. Applicable law in the D-L-Condominium
       We had a thread recently about juridicial questions re: the Luxembourg-German condominiums on the Moselle, Our and Sauer rivers. I found the time now to study
       Feb 22, 2005 @ 14:39 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16826. words beeped in from nonphysical today only but saved
       if you are to be the joyful beings that you intended to be as you emerged into these bodies it is necessary for you to understand that what you seek is harmony
       Feb 22, 2005 @ 15:35 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16827. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ha alaska claiming 150mile proruption of 3nm state waters
       Why is this a claim and a proruption ? It s the normal 3-nm fringe of state waters that almost all states have. The fact that the land on-shore is
       Feb 22, 2005 @ 15:26 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16828. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ha alaska claiming 150mile proruption of 3nm state waters
       http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=000&invol=84ORIG for further background & here the claim or title is being proclaimed publicly by
       Feb 22, 2005 @ 16:19 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16829. Re: ha alaska claiming 150mile proruption of 3nm state waters
       ... er actually my hair beats that so i guess it is really the extreme length alone that i am marveling at rather than the ratio ... many but not even most &
       Feb 22, 2005 @ 16:35 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16830. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ha alaska claiming 150mile proruption of 3nm state waters
       Okay. I see what you re saying. The 3-nm state ownership of and jurisdiction over its waters are entirely normal per the Submerged Lands Act. The wildlife
       Feb 22, 2005 @ 17:21 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16831. Re: IQSYTR
       this was a couple of years ago ... ... but on second thought since all 3 of the pertinent ibs numbers for iqsytr namely 27 & 100 & 163 place the
       Feb 22, 2005 @ 19:05 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16832. Prevlaka
       http://www.un.int/croatia/statement/doc/doc_011299.htm
       Feb 22, 2005 @ 20:48 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16833. List of treaties
       http://www.un.org/Depts/los/LEGISLATIONANDTREATIES/PDFFILES/TREATIES/
       Feb 22, 2005 @ 21:13 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16834. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ha alaska claiming 150mile proruption of 3nm state waters
       http://conlaw.usatoday.findlaw.com/supreme_court/briefs/orig_128/orig_128.mar2004.rpt.pdf delicious ...
       Feb 23, 2005 @ 01:03 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16835. Re: List of treaties - really "law of the sea" treaties
       Jesper s list leads to texts of maritime treaties. Intersting stuff there. LN
       Feb 23, 2005 @ 02:19 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
16836. Buesingen again - opportunity to live there.
       A superb 4-family house in Büsingen is offered for sale for under 400,000 Euros! - See Ebay lot number 4353424854. A lot more for your money than you can get
       Feb 23, 2005 @ 02:21 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
16837. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Buesingen again - opportunity to live there.
       Du ye speak a my languige? You may RESIDE in Buesingen, but before you LIVE there, you must invest a bit more into local dialect courses and habitual
       Feb 23, 2005 @ 10:06 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16838. Re: ha alaska claiming 150mile proruption of 3nm state waters
       our first special masters report too & it is currently before the court i neglected to mention a superfine job & it bodes well for our denj quest too of
       Feb 23, 2005 @ 15:18 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16839. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ha alaska claiming 150mile proruption of 3nm state waters
       For those of us on extreme narrowband who can t download 357 PDF pages, can you briefly summarize what it says regarding the state waters off the federal
       Feb 23, 2005 @ 16:09 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16840. Despite new technology, U. S. Border Patrol overwhelmed
       Despite new technology, Border Patrol overwhelmed By Mimi Hall, USA TODAY Across an expanse of desert where nothing marks the Mexican border but a flimsy line
       Feb 23, 2005 @ 16:24 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <w1wh@...>)
16841. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ha alaska claiming 150mile proruption of 3nm state waters
       oops i had no idea you were still so very backward thinking myself our technological derriere til now but will consider you & therefore us all in this light in
       Feb 23, 2005 @ 17:42 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16842. Re: IQSYTR
       This tripoint is not as important in my view - it s Kurdistan rather than three different countries.
       Feb 23, 2005 @ 18:30 - sdrawkcabdom ("sdrawkcabdom" <sdrawkcab8@...>)
16843. maps & views of canadian ghost coast on tarr inlet fjord
       1961 http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=2&S=14&Z=8&X=119&Y=2046&W=1&qs=%7ctarr+inlet%7c%7c 1979
       Feb 23, 2005 @ 19:06 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16844. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ha alaska claiming 150mile proruption of 3nm state waters
       Thanks for the summary. I have a fast computer, but I live in a very rural area where no DSL or cable reaches. My telephone dial-up connection is extremely
       Feb 23, 2005 @ 19:19 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16845. pal wolfgang no laff off a long nag flow
       ... must invest a ... entire ... away. Will ... gruetsi! ... zzzzz zzzzz yikes you must have put our mr nadybal to sleep again too hahahahaha w o l f g a n
       Feb 23, 2005 @ 21:42 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16846. Re: IQSYTR
       thats an interesting point whether one agrees with it or not & it might also be fun to look for iqsytr classmates in similarly integral tricountry areas around
       Feb 23, 2005 @ 22:43 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16847. Re: Buesingen again - opportunity to live there.
       Ja. Ich habe 24 Jahre in Deutschland hinter mir. Büsingen wurde mir gut gefallen. Gruetsi is a Swiss breakfast cereal, isn t it? Or a berry dessert? Or is it
       Feb 24, 2005 @ 00:54 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
16848. Re: pal wolfgang no laff off a long nag flow
       No, no.... I m here n awake. Lüüt aaaahh! LN
       Feb 24, 2005 @ 01:24 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
16849. Re: maps & views of canadian ghost coast on tarr inlet fjord
       & of course any coast on the edge of actuality like this would be intrinsically interesting enough but canadian federal maritime territorial law throws in a
       Feb 24, 2005 @ 01:43 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16850. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: IQSYTR
       There should be several situations in Africa that are analogous to IRSYTR/Kurdistan. The current international boundaries there are largely relicts of the
       Feb 24, 2005 @ 01:51 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16851. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Buesingen again - opportunity to live there.
       Ha, Len, chaasch Schwyzerduetsch woll fei schwaetza! Noemme es no nyetig a dytsche Pass z haa! Alsofort chaasch choemme! Merci vielmoole mittenand, Wolfgang
       Feb 24, 2005 @ 09:47 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16852. oz on chair begs roaring mendicant mouse for more creativity
       rectification of auidtle & auidtlw & all autl may now be postponed half a century no kidding these are 2 hot items
       Feb 24, 2005 @ 13:36 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16853. eupen and malmedy
       These two areas with Moresnet were transfered to Belguim in 1920 . Why was Eupen, a largely German speaking area transferred across? The TREATY OF VERSAILLES
       Feb 24, 2005 @ 13:53 - Bill Burke ("Bill Burke" <billb@...>)
16854. RE: [BoundaryPoint] eupen and malmedy
       The winners of WW1 wanted to make DE weak so they would not make war again. Taking land from DE was also a way to punnish DE for the war. In the case of DE-DK
       Feb 24, 2005 @ 14:04 - jesniel@image.dk (jesniel@...)
16855. Re: IQSYTR
       good point & it practically smithereens the whole exercise into finding a kurdistan or bantustan or what have you behind every bush yet such little regard for
       Feb 24, 2005 @ 14:11 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16856. Re: eupen and malmedy
       for exactly why this german speaking area was finally transferred to belgium in 1921 or so please see 2 scroll clicks down in
       Feb 24, 2005 @ 14:43 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16857. Re: eupen and malmedy
       well you know it is widespread if not general opinion everywhere to not think much of foreign elements call it racism or barbarophobia or merely ethnocentrism
       Feb 24, 2005 @ 16:30 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16858. AW: [BoundaryPoint] eupen and malmedy
       Bill: Just a biased opinion (since I am German): Germany had lost WWI - not exactly on the battlefield, but we were the first to simply give up the fighting
       Feb 24, 2005 @ 16:39 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16859. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: eupen and malmedy
       There are offcourse DE and DK minorities left on both side of the border and they function quite well. But in many parts of the world minorities within a
       Feb 24, 2005 @ 16:48 - jesniel@image.dk (jesniel@...)
16860. RE: [BoundaryPoint] eupen and malmedy
       A SECOND QUESTION IS DO THE LOCAL PEOPLE NOW WISH TO BE PART OF GERMANY OR STAY AS THEY ARE? ALSO WHAT ABOUT POOR OLD MORESNET, DON T THEY WISH THAT THEY WERE
       Feb 24, 2005 @ 16:53 - Bill Burke ("Bill Burke" <billb@...>)
16861. Re: eupen and malmedy
       The German Speaking Community of Belgium has a autonomous standing according to the two other language groups of Belgium (Flemish & French). The Belgian
       Feb 24, 2005 @ 17:58 - Sascha ("Sascha" <alqaszar@...>)
16862. AW: [BoundaryPoint] eupen and malmedy
       As far as I can tell, the vast majority of people in ALL Europe do not wish to see borders changed - for a simple reason: We all have settled with the
       Feb 24, 2005 @ 18:13 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16863. RE: [BoundaryPoint] eupen and malmedy
       ... my guess is that by & large like most other eu europeans they would just like to be able to forget all these crazy accidents of history now & keep the
       Feb 24, 2005 @ 20:48 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16864. Re: AW: [BoundaryPoint] eupen and malmedy
       Wolfgang, ... The difficulty is defining European identity whatever that is. I know people who seriously believe that countries with orthodox traditions such
       Feb 25, 2005 @ 15:20 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
16865. RE: [BoundaryPoint] eupen and malmedy
       ... There are still nationalist grievances bubbling away in some parts, although there s no doubt that an generally improved economic situation and granting of
       Feb 25, 2005 @ 15:28 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
16866. the cape muzon nick & the living caus dispute at 54 forty
       first the zoomed in topo at the scene of the nick http://topozone.com/map.asp?lat=54.66778&lon=-132.68889 southernmost dry point of southeast alaska & southern
       Feb 25, 2005 @ 17:21 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16867. Re: IQSYTR
       I can see that it s still interesting to check these places out, despite thier inauthenticity , if you will. It s just that Kurdistan is a special case,
       Feb 25, 2005 @ 19:04 - sdrawkcabdom ("sdrawkcabdom" <sdrawkcab8@...>)
16868. Re: eupen and malmedy
       It would be interesting to see what would happen in the event of Belgium breaking into two seperate countries - Flanders and Wallonia. Would the Germans of the
       Feb 25, 2005 @ 19:20 - sdrawkcabdom ("sdrawkcabdom" <sdrawkcab8@...>)
16869. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: IQSYTR
       Happy tp hunting This should be a good entry point for all 5 of them. http://www.nicolette.dk/borderbase/country.php?country=69 Jesper ... From: sdrawkcabdom
       Feb 25, 2005 @ 19:26 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16870. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: IQSYTR
       yes it should be but i believe except for satellite views our combined bb & bp cupboards are actually bare once again of the requested tripoint images in all 5
       Feb 25, 2005 @ 23:34 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16871. Re: Buesingen again - opportunity to live there.
       Aaachh! Sooo fleisig bin ich wiederum nicht! Len ... nyetig a ... there. ... the entire ... there. ... for your ... lower ... Service.
       Feb 26, 2005 @ 00:48 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
16872. Re: eupen and malmedy
       excuse me dom but could you say a little more specifically what rings your bells about these suggested inquiries or exercises all of which frankly strike me
       Feb 26, 2005 @ 01:06 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16873. Re: oz on chair begs roaring mendicant mouse for more creativity
       oops make that a full century now hahaha i kid you not http://www.abc.net.au/correspondents/content/2004/s1311233.ht m but what do you suppose ambit claim
       Feb 26, 2005 @ 01:24 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16874. Re: [BoundaryPoint] eupen and malmedy
       I have another question regarding the border between Belgium and Germany in that area. Can anyone tell me if the town of Neu-Moresnet (or Preußisch- Moresnet)
       Feb 26, 2005 @ 01:41 - Pepijn Hendriks ("Pepijn Hendriks" <yahoo@...>)
16875. Re: the cape muzon nick & the living caus dispute at 54 forty
       another interesting aspect of this disagreement is that although much of it involves overlapping claims the specific conflicting interpretations of the
       Feb 26, 2005 @ 02:06 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16876. AW: AW: [BoundaryPoint] eupen and malmedy
       Kevin, you hit exactly the point: What is European identity? Do we define Europe geographically, politically, religiously, ethnically, or what? I would have
       Feb 26, 2005 @ 11:51 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16877. AW: [BoundaryPoint] eupen and malmedy
       Article 35 refers. The new border was to be set unter Beruecksichtigung der wirtschaftlichen Lage und der Verkehrswege = with a view on the economical
       Feb 26, 2005 @ 11:51 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16878. Re: eupen and malmedy
       ... I do not see why the EU necessarily has to be restricted to Europe at all, if countries that fit the desired criteria (whatever that is) wish to join. In
       Feb 26, 2005 @ 16:58 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
16879. Re: AW: AW: [BoundaryPoint] eupen and malmedy
       ahhh but dont you see divine gnagflow you are already a fantastic success & not really a failure at all for it only depends on which way you look at yourself &
       Feb 26, 2005 @ 17:01 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16880. Re: AW: [BoundaryPoint] eupen and malmedy
       ... Right! The treaty text I was consulting left out articles 35-39, and I didn t notice. ... Did the commission publish a report or were the commission s
       Feb 26, 2005 @ 17:18 - Pepijn Hendriks ("Pepijn Hendriks" <yahoo@...>)
16881. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: eupen and malmedy
       ... hahahaha ahh maestro & we rarely disagree about whats on point here but since you did express something you would actually like then you must know you are
       Feb 26, 2005 @ 18:39 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16882. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: eupen and malmedy
       I do not see why the EU necessarily has to be restricted to Europe at all,... As long as it calls itself European Union I would wish to know what Europe is.
       Feb 26, 2005 @ 19:48 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16883. Re: AW: [BoundaryPoint] eupen and malmedy
       ... Errr.. what about Guadeloupe, Martinique, St Martin, Guiana and Reunion, with possibly Bonaire, Sint Eustatius and Saba soon to be added? Even Cyprus is
       Feb 26, 2005 @ 20:39 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
16884. bwnazmzw bridge bids closing in 3 weeks
       http://zambia.usembassy.gov/zambia/birct021605.html
       Feb 26, 2005 @ 22:45 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16885. AW: AW: [BoundaryPoint] eupen and malmedy
       Kevin, You are just underlining the point. Some may be part of Europe politically (Guadeloupe, Martinique), others culturally (Cyprus in a way...), but not
       Feb 27, 2005 @ 07:11 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16886. AW: AW: [BoundaryPoint] eupen and malmedy
       Pepijn, The article below is taken from the WWW and explains how the dealings went in the case of the Vennbahn and related issues. The final protocol of the
       Feb 27, 2005 @ 07:11 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16887. Re: [BoundaryPoint] eupen and malmedy
       hahahahaha hahahahaha bravo bravo transforming what was formerly only the second or third largest peninsula of afroeurasia into the true heart & central bank
       Feb 27, 2005 @ 15:52 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16888. In The Field
       I was in the field Saturday, 2/26, to visit the Atlantic-Burlington-Camden County, NJ, trifinium (ABC). This is one of the very few NJ tri-county points shown
       Feb 27, 2005 @ 15:57 - spookymike@aol.com (spookymike@...)
16889. Re: eupen and malmedy
       but in fact which is she the 2nd or the 3rd clearly africa is the first but is siberia even a peninsula & if so then where would her neck be apparently she has
       Feb 27, 2005 @ 16:20 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16890. Re: In The Field
       nice going mike very fresh report & good to hear from you our first nj tricounty point too er is that 1 down & 21 to go ... Atlantic-Burlington-Camden ...
       Feb 27, 2005 @ 16:32 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16891. Re: eupen and malmedy
       this peninsula professor at least http://www2.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/europegeog.htm acknowledges & even acclaims the european peninsula as the peninsula of
       Feb 27, 2005 @ 18:24 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16892. europe v siberia was Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: eupen and malmedy
       since the best available opinion on the true extent of the siberian peninsula is still not yet available i have contented myself for the moment with getting
       Feb 27, 2005 @ 20:08 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16893. AW: europe v siberia was Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: eupen and malmedy
       When you talk of Siberia , are you aware that in Russian minds Siberia does NOT extend to the Pacific? That province is called Far East. So, from a political
       Feb 27, 2005 @ 20:34 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16894. Re: In The Field
       ... ****** Actually, have done two other south Jersey tri-county points in recent weeks, but both are at road junctions with no markings other than
       Feb 27, 2005 @ 20:43 - nj55er ("nj55er" <spookymike@...>)
16895. 'Do-able' borders
       I ve compiled a list of borders which are (theoretically) do-able , ie. they are short enough that they can be completely covered, surveyed and photographed
       Feb 27, 2005 @ 20:47 - sdrawkcabdom ("sdrawkcabdom" <sdrawkcab8@...>)
16896. Re: 'Do-able' borders
       I missed out a couple of obvious ones: EUROPE Spain - Gibraltar (UK) (1.2 km/0.7 miles) AFRICA Morocco - Ceuta (Spain) (6.3 km/3.9 miles) Morocco - Melilla
       Feb 27, 2005 @ 20:53 - sdrawkcabdom ("sdrawkcabdom" <sdrawkcab8@...>)
16897. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 'Do-able' borders
       ... You could add Spain - Gibraltar (1.2 km/0.75 miles) ... What about Morocco - Ceuta (Spain) and Morocco - Melilla (Spain)? Regards, Kevin Meynell
       Feb 27, 2005 @ 20:55 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
16898. Re: 'Do-able' borders
       hahahahaha he is pretty swift tho & allows only 5 minutes for corrections & you were 2 minutes late kevin hahahaha but seriously nice plays in every case while
       Feb 27, 2005 @ 21:23 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16899. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: 'Do-able' borders
       ... Well that s the question I guess. In the case of Sint Maarten/St Martin, the border crosses a lagoon, so you d need both walking boots and a boat to survey
       Feb 27, 2005 @ 21:37 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
16900. Re: In The Field
       ... ... points ... markings other ... changes. At some ... thanx wonderful & you must know the word trivial just means 3way so it simply
       Feb 27, 2005 @ 21:44 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16901. Berubari update
       ... For maps and discussion of the issue, see my book Waiting for the Esquimo The CPWD is the Central Public Works Dept, who are building the border fence
       Feb 27, 2005 @ 21:52 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
16902. europe v siberia was Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: eupen and malmedy
       thanx the judges werent aware of that but happily am now hahaha & so how important it truly was for the european crowd to have stayed in the game hahahahaha
       Feb 27, 2005 @ 22:22 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16903. Re: europe v siberia was Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: eupen and malmedy
       Since you asked for opinions, I opine that a peninsula should at least appear to protrude from a main body of land. Thus, my vote for the neck of the
       Feb 27, 2005 @ 23:17 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16904. europe v siberia was Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: eupen and malmedy
       ... at least appear to ... i agree with all your findings below & also find your above opinion so agreeable that i have decided to rethink the entire olympic
       Feb 28, 2005 @ 01:56 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16905. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: In The Field
       on closer examination the nj tricounty picture does indeed look both 22ish & exceedingly moist http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/maps/new_jersey_map.html with
       Feb 28, 2005 @ 02:58 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16906. Re: 'Do-able' borders
       Here are a couple for consideration: Djibouti - Somalia Djibouti - Eritrea Israel - Syria Afghanistan - China (real short) Haiti - Dom. Rep Niger - Togo Libya
       Feb 28, 2005 @ 05:34 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
16907. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: 'Do-able' borders
       I, Peter and Hans Peter thought we could do DEDK (68 km) in a weekend, but we have now spent 5-6 days on it and still not completed. Some markers are hard to
       Feb 28, 2005 @ 07:23 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16908. AW: [BoundaryPoint] 'Do-able' borders
       Liechtenstein - Austria and parts of Liechtenstein - Switzerland: This requires serious rock climbing. Anybody interested joining me? Will probably turn out to
       Feb 28, 2005 @ 08:41 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16909. RE: [BoundaryPoint] 'Do-able' borders
       PERSONALLY, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN A BORDER THAT WENT THROUGH A BAR. I AM SURE FELLOW BORDER FREAKS WOULD BE INTERESTED IN JOINING ME ON SUCH A QUEST. DOES
       Feb 28, 2005 @ 08:51 - Bill Burke ("Bill Burke" <billb@...>)
16910. RE: [BoundaryPoint] 'Do-able' borders
       SORRY THIRST NOT THRIST ________________________________ From: Bill Burke [mailto:billb@lvstc.org.uk] Sent: 28 February 2005 08:51 To:
       Feb 28, 2005 @ 08:59 - Bill Burke ("Bill Burke" <billb@...>)
16911. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: 'Do-able' borders
       Regarding ILSY: The de-facto border area is one of the most heavily-mined areas in the world (or so I was told in the army) and Israeli maps don t mark the
       Feb 28, 2005 @ 11:02 - Asher Samuels (Asher Samuels <asher972@...>)
16912. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: eupen and malmedy
       
       Feb 28, 2005 @ 12:23 - Romain Hodapp (Romain Hodapp <romain_hodapp@...>)
16913. FRENCH FLEMISH TOWNS AND VILLAGES
       I I also notice in the area of France around Dunkirk, there are a number of towns and villages with flemish names. Do these people wish to be part of France
       Feb 28, 2005 @ 13:27 - Bill Burke ("Bill Burke" <billb@...>)
16914. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: eupen and malmedy
       ... frisians & frisian is the language most closely related to english ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want -
       Feb 28, 2005 @ 13:29 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16915. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: 'Do-able' borders
       yes indeed nothing like a dash of realism from those who have actually undertaken such a project but i hope all our border totality aspirants will not be put
       Feb 28, 2005 @ 14:03 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16916. Re: In The Field
       Mike: See my comments below regarding dry/wet status of NJ triples, and further below regarding triviality. Also, I count 28 tri-county points shared with NY,
       Feb 28, 2005 @ 18:48 - nj55er ("nj55er" <spookymike@...>)
16917. left v right lobe was europe v siberia & eupen and malmedy
       aletheiak &al ... into ... basic ... & while i find i am not equipped to make a definitive judgment of the comparative land areas of these 2 peninsular lobes i
       Feb 28, 2005 @ 19:42 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16918. AW: [BoundaryPoint] left v right lobe was europe v siberia & eupen and malmedy
       Jetzt hat er voll abgehoben... ... Von: aletheiak [mailto:aletheiak@yahoo.com] Gesendet: Montag, 28. Februar 2005 20:42 An: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
       Feb 28, 2005 @ 20:19 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16919. Re: left v right lobe was europe v siberia & eupen and malmedy
       bloooops for i find i must recall the medals again & fire the judges or at least ask the winning lobes to stand by for another possible reversal of the
       Feb 28, 2005 @ 22:32 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16920. Re: In The Field
       nice observations all & i can even underscore your main point with this report of a wet njnypa visit too tho the underwater photo has been lost
       Feb 28, 2005 @ 23:24 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16921. MXUS Border Tunnel Discovered
       Border Tunnel Discovered In Upscale Neighborhood Mon Feb 28, 7:06 PM ET Federal authorities from San Diego are investigating a border tunnel discovered by
       Mar 01, 2005 @ 11:20 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <w1wh@...>)
16922. Re: [BoundaryPoint] MXUS Border Tunnel Discovered
       hahahaha & youd think these authorities would just follow the freakin thing & see where it leads hahahahaha but arrant bounders they are & not very keen as
       Mar 01, 2005 @ 14:04 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16923. fresh diagnostic anatomy of the mouse anyway
       a few bits up front about the borders & oecussi etc http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/RWB.NSF/db900SID/KHII-6A33UX?OpenDocument but note especially the twisted words
       Mar 01, 2005 @ 15:14 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16924. Re: left v right lobe was europe v siberia & eupen and malmedy
       & upon further scrutiny & just to throw the peninsula olympics entirely up in the air once again i am finding that the definitional requirement that there be a
       Mar 01, 2005 @ 18:34 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16925. GSEEBE: BGCSMK
       It s has earlier been surgested that BGCSMK=BGw, but this map suggests otherwise: http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/macedonia/maps/macmap_009.jpg This site
       Mar 01, 2005 @ 19:32 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16926. List of sovereign states
       I am sure many of you find this interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries Jesper
       Mar 01, 2005 @ 20:40 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16927. Jerusalem
       http://sunsite.berkeley.edu:8085/israel/50k/08-36-011-3.jpg Can anybody tell if these boundaries still excist, as shown on the map. And what they represent. I
       Mar 01, 2005 @ 21:04 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16928. widest isthmus measured but largest peninsula still elusive
       some slight additional progress has been made toward determining the worlds largest peninsula for starters the coords of the termini of its isthmus also
       Mar 01, 2005 @ 22:50 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16929. Re: [BoundaryPoint] widest isthmus measured but largest peninsula still elusive
       The best practical visualization of any great circle on a map is to stretch a string between the two terminal points on the surface of a globe. Most folks
       Mar 02, 2005 @ 00:39 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16930. Re: widest isthmus measured but largest peninsula still elusive
       good thinking thank you so all i need to find now is a big enough & good enough & new enough globe since i already own the string & some additional number
       Mar 02, 2005 @ 01:13 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16931. Re: GSEEBE: BGCSMK
       in my view that earlier suggestion which was actually quite unequivocal & punctilious & included detailed corroborations
       Mar 02, 2005 @ 01:31 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16932. mxus2azso to gain 529 new loose cannons next month
       http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/3/12005g.asp
       Mar 02, 2005 @ 01:40 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16933. Re: List of sovereign states
       Also interesting, a list of entities that ever issued stamps at any time since stamps were issued (ever hear of Nossi Be ??) - Go to Zillionsofstamps.com and
       Mar 02, 2005 @ 04:14 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
16934. Re: Jerusalem
       If the Arab states ever convince Israel to pull back to the 1949 borders, we d have these no-man s-lands again that are between the marked lines on that map.
       Mar 02, 2005 @ 04:25 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
16935. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Jerusalem
       1. The lines seem to be the pre-June 1967 borders. Do they still exist? Not that I can tell in the field. 2. PAMOT is the Cyrillic spelling of Ramot - a
       Mar 02, 2005 @ 05:48 - Asher Samuels (Asher Samuels <asher972@...>)
16936. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Jerusalem
       What are the most visuable signs of these boundaries in and near Jerusalem? Jesper ... From: Asher Samuels To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday,
       Mar 02, 2005 @ 09:03 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16937. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Jerusalem
       Within Jerusalem? No signs marked. You can tell if you re moving from an Arab to a Jewish neighborhood or vice-versa, but no checkpoints, markers, etc.
       Mar 02, 2005 @ 09:09 - Asher Samuels (Asher Samuels <asher972@...>)
16938. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Jerusalem
       And if you cross/visit the border off-road? Jesper ... From: Asher Samuels To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 10:09 AM Subject:
       Mar 02, 2005 @ 10:04 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16939. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Jerusalem
       Going to/from Jerusalem to the north, south, east? For now, there s no real indication. Once the security fence goes up, it will be quite noticable. ...
       Mar 02, 2005 @ 12:23 - Asher Samuels (Asher Samuels <asher972@...>)
16940. oz & us strip mouse of security to animate upcoming talks
       ok here comes part one of the more creativity scenario http://us.f418.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?YY=66604 __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo! s
       Mar 02, 2005 @ 14:48 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16941. pursuant to daily breeze 2 san diegos sign on
       http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20050302-9999-6m2debris.html as last heard from in http://egroups.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/16572
       Mar 02, 2005 @ 15:06 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16942. Re: Jerusalem
       ... hahahahaha we d have these no-man s-lands again that are between the ... cease ... been ... wait complex cough cough & what do you mean by we again len
       Mar 02, 2005 @ 15:47 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16943. DK has a new offical DKh
       http://www.jp.dk/indland/artikel:aiid=2917296:img=0/
       Mar 02, 2005 @ 16:52 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16944. split towns under fire on za2gano
       http://allafrica.com/stories/200503020316.html http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/africa/south_africa.jpg __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo! s
       Mar 02, 2005 @ 18:17 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16945. AW: [BoundaryPoint] DK has a new offical DKh
       Now I have to go there again! Wolfgang ... Von: Jesper Nielsen [mailto:jesniel@image.dk] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. März 2005 17:53 An:
       Mar 02, 2005 @ 19:27 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
16946. Re: Jerusalem
       Comparing maps of the wall v the no mans lands, the wall isn t following the confines of the no mans lands at all. LN ... no real ... moving from an ...
       Mar 03, 2005 @ 00:35 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
16947. worlds narrowest 2timing place reconsidering its ways
       http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/newssentinel/11022218.htm __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo! s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments
       Mar 03, 2005 @ 00:46 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16948. Re: Jerusalem
       The lines on the Soviet map at http://sunsite.berkeley.edu:8085/israel/50k/08-36-011-3.jpg represent the limits of Israeli and Jordanian territorial control
       Mar 03, 2005 @ 11:30 - Martin Pratt ("Martin Pratt" <m.a.pratt@...>)
16949. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Jerusalem
       thanx that was great & here is the url again in case anyone missed it http://tinyurl.com/5nbzq & i think these commentators are myopic too because
       Mar 03, 2005 @ 16:28 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16950. Another airport on the border?
       http://www.albawaba.com/en/countries/Jordan/180825
       Mar 03, 2005 @ 18:39 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16951. Cyprus Green Line photos
       Here is a photo series for those interested in Cyprus Green Line photos:
       Mar 03, 2005 @ 18:41 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16952. Swiss enclaves in Liechtenstein and Suvarov?
       Hi everybody. I came across some curiousities the other day while reading the Wikipedia entry for Switzerland: ([ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland
       Mar 03, 2005 @ 23:01 - Øystein Hagerup ("=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=D8ystein_?= Hagerup" <oysteinha@...>)
16953. Re: Jerusalem
       Super details. Narrows down the Soviet map extremely well. Thanks LN
       Mar 04, 2005 @ 01:46 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
16954. Re: Swiss enclaves in Liechtenstein and Suvarov?
       welcome oystein nice finds & the smaller ones are news to us here anyway but for that reason & also just because they are so small it seems likely that they
       Mar 04, 2005 @ 01:58 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16955. Re: 'Do-able' borders
       ... THAT WENT THROUGH A BAR. I AM SURE FELLOW BORDER FREAKS WOULD BE INTERESTED IN JOINING ME ON SUCH A QUEST. DOES SUCH A BORDER EXIST. I BELIEVE ONE DOES
       Mar 04, 2005 @ 02:19 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16956. baby named for border patrol agent who er captured it
       http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/newssentinel/11045134.htm
       Mar 04, 2005 @ 02:36 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16957. Re: Swiss enclaves in Liechtenstein and Suvarov?
       Dear Øystein, I concur with aletheiak that the Russian monument and the Swiss- Liechtenstein thingy are not enclaves, i.e. they are not under the exclusive
       Mar 04, 2005 @ 08:40 - Anton Zeilinger ("Anton Zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
16958. Re: Swiss enclaves in Liechtenstein and Suvarov?
       anton ... guess this ... Liechtenstein, to ... access and (I ... soil, ... aha you must be right maestro good thinking
       Mar 04, 2005 @ 16:51 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16959. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Swiss enclaves in Liechtenstein and Suvarov?
       hi, you can find a little more about suworow at www.home.pages.at/maxifant/Frames/suworow.htm and i suppose, the other little thing is a well, close to the
       Mar 04, 2005 @ 17:22 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
16960. inpk joyride an instant sellout as cricket craze returns too
       http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?storyID=7810988&type=topNews http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?storyID=7805429&type=topNews
       Mar 04, 2005 @ 17:54 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16961. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Swiss enclaves in Liechtenstein and Suvarov?
       Our Kaliningrad friend Evgeny Vinokurov mentions this Suvorov monument in Switzerland in his vast treatise on the theories of enclaves and exclaves at ...
       Mar 04, 2005 @ 17:55 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16962. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Swiss enclaves in Liechtenstein and Suvarov?
       I like the suggestion on the web page that the provision was written into the 1948 boundary convention to guarantee the long-established access to this
       Mar 04, 2005 @ 18:33 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16963. Re: Swiss enclaves in Liechtenstein and Suvarov?
       Lowell, ... into the 1948 boundary convention to guarantee the long-established access to this Liechtenstein spring by the neighboring Swiss cows. Since the
       Mar 04, 2005 @ 19:01 - Anton Zeilinger ("Anton Zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
16964. mood in inpk cricket city beautiful too
       http://cities.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=119993 __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo! s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100
       Mar 04, 2005 @ 21:39 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16965. Re: Swiss enclaves in Liechtenstein and Suvarov?
       So then the Wikipedia entry here is simply wrong? Speaking of previous posted discussions. When I use the search archive function, it seems like it only
       Mar 04, 2005 @ 22:08 - ohagerup ("ohagerup" <oysteinha@...>)
16966. Re: Swiss enclaves in Liechtenstein and Suvarov?
       ... well not so simply but complicatedly wrong anyway since the author confounds &or compounds 2 entirely different categories of things that a more
       Mar 04, 2005 @ 22:49 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16967. azut under fire as polygamy dodge & ksmo in meltdown
       http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/0304B1-talker04.html http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/local/11045699.htm
       Mar 04, 2005 @ 23:07 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16968. worlds largest peninsula try resumes in earnest today
       have finally found a way to get out & down from my hibernatorium here on top of ice cream hill in order to search the surrounding countryside for the globe
       Mar 05, 2005 @ 15:34 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16969. worlds largest peninsula try continued
       second trial balance in thousands of square kilometers or ksk on the left pan of the scales all of africa 30065 plus all of conventional europe 9938 less 15
       Mar 05, 2005 @ 19:11 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16970. sounds like cmng demarcation is coming but very slowly
       http://www.a2mediagroup.com/?c=154&a=1690&sid=9c6e55ba6530cc8efd25cc55e099cdaf __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo! s 10th Birthday! Yahoo!
       Mar 05, 2005 @ 19:26 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16971. worlds largest peninsula try complete for now
       ok having just scoped out the guinness website it is now clear that they just dont keep records of this worlds largest ilk there at all & thus cannot even be
       Mar 05, 2005 @ 22:18 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16972. swiss/russian enclave?
       ... Any enclave whether of landed property between individuals or sovereign territory between countries automatically by its very existence implies a servitude
       Mar 06, 2005 @ 00:51 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
16973. Re: [BoundaryPoint] worlds largest peninsula try complete for now
       ... [I ve deleted the rest because I m changing the topic a lot.] Where is the world s largest tripoint monument? Could there be a more fit topic for BP?
       Mar 06, 2005 @ 01:07 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
16974. worlds largest tripoint monument try was something else
       http://home.worldonline.dk/jesniel/border/african_tripoints.htm#cfcdsd but the impressive black&white photo which i found in an old border book is just a dead
       Mar 06, 2005 @ 01:27 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16975. Re: [BoundaryPoint] worlds largest tripoint monument try was something else
       er & for the more fit topic for bp would you believe a worlds deepest & most awesome chasm cum paradise try
       Mar 06, 2005 @ 02:33 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16976. idmy disagreement area now looking almost condominial
       http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_asiapacific/view/135892/1/.html __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo! s 10th Birthday! Yahoo!
       Mar 06, 2005 @ 14:07 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16977. nomadic sand papagos lost for a century now get a rezzie too
       http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/0306sandpapago.html __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo! s 10th Birthday! Yahoo!
       Mar 06, 2005 @ 14:24 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16978. mxus april folly loose cannons gain their own loose cannons
       http://www.newkerala.com/news-daily/news/features.php?action=fullnews&id=80868 __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo! s 10th Birthday! Yahoo!
       Mar 06, 2005 @ 14:30 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16979. Re: azut under fire as polygamy dodge
       & 50 or 70 wives could lose their husband there soon http://www.azdailysun.com/non_sec/nav_includes/story.cfm?stor yID=104596 ...
       Mar 06, 2005 @ 17:41 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16980. gate crashing uproar expected at autl er talks tomorrow
       http://seven.com.au/news/topstories/167268
       Mar 06, 2005 @ 18:08 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16981. ozzie autl offer is reportedly unchanged since last rejected
       & the mouse pinch still amounts to 5 billion according to my recollections & math but lots of other & harder news from canberra too
       Mar 07, 2005 @ 14:11 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16982. id&my agree to talk about overlapping claims too
       such a lively day in the neighborhood http://tvnz.co.nz/view/news_world_story_skin/478004%3fformat=html __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo! s
       Mar 07, 2005 @ 14:39 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16983. Re: azut under fire as polygamy dodge
       yikes all rise for the polygamous azut judge http://www.nylawyer.com/news/05/03/030705l.html & since this is his bailiwick of hildale in washington county utah
       Mar 07, 2005 @ 15:17 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16984. underlying inpk cricket & kashmir joyride hydraulics
       http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/03/07/news/edbow.html with news update & sports analysis http://www.eians.com/stories/2005/03/07/07cha.shtml
       Mar 07, 2005 @ 18:22 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16985. inpk kiss may have gone over the line
       http://www.indiadaily.com/breaking_news/27201.asp but maybe not as match fever mounts http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4326977.stm
       Mar 07, 2005 @ 19:33 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16986. kurdistan no problem but would you believe turkmeneli too
       the prospective country that looks like a sausage http://ad.debka.com/pictures_e/Kurdistan.jpg full particulars http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=996
       Mar 07, 2005 @ 19:07 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16987. East Berlin border posts
       Hi all, this might be off-topic, but I was making a bet with a lady about the border crossings between East and West Berlin before 1989. If I lose, I have to
       Mar 08, 2005 @ 13:24 - lacomaco ("lacomaco" <finance@...>)
16988. inpk cricket opening day results
       http://www.webindia123.com/news/showdetails.asp?id=71615&n_date=20050308&cat=Sports __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo! s 10th Birthday! Yahoo!
       Mar 08, 2005 @ 13:53 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16989. Re: [BoundaryPoint] inpk cricket opening day results
       Wouldn t a cricket pitch that straddles the India and Pakistan border border be interesting? The logistics of actually running it could be a nightmare, but
       Mar 08, 2005 @ 19:46 - Eric Choate (Eric Choate <choatune@...>)
16990. Fw: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CNMNRUE picture
       What about the fences, the 275 etc? Jesper ... From: Richard Lam To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 2:06 PM Subject: Re:
       Mar 08, 2005 @ 19:47 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16991. Re: [BoundaryPoint] inpk cricket opening day results
       There is a soccer field that straddles the Belize-Guatemala border near Arenal. I have some poorly labelled photos here:
       Mar 08, 2005 @ 20:35 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
16992. Re: [BoundaryPoint] inpk cricket opening day results
       ... only ... hahahaha good one ... a bzgt soccer field in message 9814 & an interstate gym in a school on inoh i think & perhaps a few others have been
       Mar 08, 2005 @ 20:39 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16993. Ghost tp
       http://www.geocities.com/jugendzeit_ostpr/weichselgrenze2.html
       Mar 08, 2005 @ 21:40 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16994. ATCHIT pic
       http://www.carsten-wasow.de/muestair/tour_24.html
       Mar 08, 2005 @ 21:36 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
16995. Re: [BoundaryPoint] inpk cricket opening day results
       ... The Deva Stadium, home of Chester City Football Club straddles the English/Welsh border. http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/park/yfh45/chester.htm Cheers,
       Mar 08, 2005 @ 23:14 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
16996. Re: Ghost tp
       ... http://www.geocities.com/jugendzeit_ostpr/weichselgrenze2.html thats strange since according to this site
       Mar 09, 2005 @ 02:09 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
16997. Re: East Berlin border posts
       I think you owe a lady a meal. I have a map of E Berlin from the DDR side, and it lists crossing points, and doesn t have Alexanderplatz listed. I have a news
       Mar 09, 2005 @ 03:27 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
16998. rhapsodic union now reported in match
       http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4330299.stm http://usa.cricinfo.com/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/CRICKET_NEWS/2005/MAR/199898_INDPAK2004-05_08MAR2005.html
       Mar 08, 2005 @ 18:13 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
16999. Re: Ghost tp
       A reliable friend sent me this link of the topomap: http://www.chem.univ.gda.pl/~tomek/image/sztum1931.jpg Jesper
       Mar 09, 2005 @ 09:47 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
17000. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CNMNRUE picture
       The website says that the border fence was installed on the Chinese side to prevent the entry of illegal immigrants (north Koreans) and Mongolians who would
       Mar 09, 2005 @ 12:32 - Richard Lam ("Richard Lam" <richardlam11@...>)
17001. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Ghost tp
       wow beauty & it evidently indicates a dry tripoint marked by depl monument 241 the very rock in the 5th pic from the bottom of the sabaoth link yikes which i
       Mar 09, 2005 @ 14:23 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17002. autl talks end quietly with agreement to resume sooner than later
       http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/ap/2005/03/09/ap1871777.html __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo! s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100
       Mar 09, 2005 @ 14:46 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17003. meanwhile back in kashmir
       http://www.webindia123.com/news/showdetails.asp?id=71875&cat=Asia
       Mar 09, 2005 @ 15:20 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17004. Re: Ghost tp
       Is this the same bordermarker? http://www.zollgeschichte.de/monatskarten/01_00.htm marcel
       Mar 09, 2005 @ 15:57 - marcelmiquelcat ("marcelmiquelcat" <marcelmiquel@...>)
17005. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Ghost tp
       Yes, also according to the German text. Jesper ... From: marcelmiquelcat To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 4:57 PM Subject:
       Mar 09, 2005 @ 16:23 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
17006. Re: Ghost tp
       but impossible according to my eyes since your f002 had a post directly beside it & a different setting & your fd was on the same face as your number clearly
       Mar 09, 2005 @ 17:21 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17007. nice videos
       Specially numbers 1, 3, 8 and 12 http://www.mdr.de/sachsenspiegel/service/1310758.html marcel
       Mar 09, 2005 @ 17:47 - marcelmiquelcat ("marcelmiquelcat" <marcelmiquel@...>)
17008. singh sends musharraf requested invite to inpk cricket meet
       perceptive piece with fresh news http://www.kashar.net/compleat.asp?id=1372 & of course all of this excitement is directly on the way to an eventual cninpk try
       Mar 09, 2005 @ 19:18 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17009. surprise uproar from id greens now about otherwise diminuendo try for auidtl tripoints
       http://afr.com/articles/2005/03/10/1110417602455.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!
       Mar 10, 2005 @ 13:34 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17010. nmtx follies now comprehensive from nmoktx to chnmtx
       http://www.woai.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=859219F3-320C-41F0-BAC1-F4CF01F22920 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports -
       Mar 10, 2005 @ 14:09 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17011. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Jerusalem
       Also thanks from me. What kind of access is there to these Noman s lands? http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/we.html Jesper ... From: L. A.
       Mar 11, 2005 @ 12:19 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
17012. franco siamese twins
       the unusual pra vihaar or preah vihear situation on khth near khlath reported in the attached message 12902 evidently has a similarly dramatic but less famous
       Mar 11, 2005 @ 22:43 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17013. oldest known word for a tripoint marker
       continuing to build upon message 15582 which lists the word for tripoint in many languages heres a hindu archeological & philological website
       Mar 12, 2005 @ 00:25 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17014. feds may join denj follies as de reviews bp application while deriding jersey justice
       http://www.delawareonline.com/newsjournal/local/2005/03/12minnertellsnjto.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try
       Mar 12, 2005 @ 15:04 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17015. Working Paper | Mapping the Global Future: Report of the National Intelligence Council's 2020 Project
       Dear bp, A friend or colleague thought this would be of interest to you: Mapping the Global Future: Report of the National Intelligence Council s 2020 Project
       Mar 12, 2005 @ 17:12 - aletheiak@yahoo.com (aletheiak@...)
17016. inpk reported fading & other fine observations
       http://www.keralanext.com/news/indexread.asp?id=147820 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
       Mar 12, 2005 @ 17:30 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17017. more amazing tales & news from inpk
       http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=66346&spf=true __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new
       Mar 12, 2005 @ 21:29 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17018. TX proposes "free-for-all brawl" with NM over land
       The Commissioner of the General Land Office of the State of Texas has proposed a free-for-all brawl between the Senates of the two states over the lost land
       Mar 13, 2005 @ 01:30 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17019. Enclave on Malawi-Zambia border?
       I posted a small portion of a map of the area w. of Llongwe, Malawi in the photos library here(not in any folder) - it appears that there is detached piece of
       Mar 13, 2005 @ 02:32 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
17020. Island Maps - Off Africa
       There is a collection of maps of Africa at this site, mostly CIA sourced, but many odd items of small islands (European possessions), etc., I d not seen
       Mar 13, 2005 @ 02:37 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
17021. Historical Map portfolio
       Super work of one cartographer. http://www.historyonmaps.com/Main.html LN
       Mar 13, 2005 @ 03:21 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
17022. Re: Enclave on Malawi-Zambia border?
       it isnt really detached & there isnt really a lake there but this is just a very poor map & yes we do have a slightly better map linked in
       Mar 13, 2005 @ 03:48 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17023. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Enclave on Malawi-Zambia border?
       My maps (National Geographic Society and Microsoft Streets & Trips) show this as a penenclave, but attached to the rest of Zambia. The MWZM (Malawi-Zambia)
       Mar 13, 2005 @ 03:48 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17024. Re: Island Maps - Off Africa
       http://egroups.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/16507 ... possessions), ... http://snack.p.lodz.pl/~bogmilka/sp6nvk/Mapy/strony_map/strona
       Mar 13, 2005 @ 03:54 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17025. Re: inpk cricket opening day results
       athletic stadium purportedly straddling international border http://ussoccerplayers.com/latest_soccer_news/467171.html
       Mar 13, 2005 @ 04:12 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17026. san francisco perambulation
       http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/03/13/PKG8JAG05K292.DTL
       Mar 13, 2005 @ 16:21 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17027. oops corrected url for san francisco perambulation
       ... http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/03/13/PKG8JAGO5K292.DTL ...
       Mar 13, 2005 @ 16:25 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17028. Re: TX proposes "free-for-all brawl" with NM over land
       I have an article with several links on my americasroof blog on this: http://americasroof.com/wp/archives/2005/03/13/new-mexico-sues-texas/ The upshot is that
       Mar 14, 2005 @ 03:40 - Roger_Rowlett ("Roger_Rowlett" <roger.rowlett@...>)
17029. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: TX proposes "free-for-all brawl" with NM over land
       By even considering any suit on this issue, New Mexico is engaging in a total waste of time, money, and breath. The reasons go far beyond the doctrine that
       Mar 14, 2005 @ 04:31 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17030. inside or outside?
       See the attached photo from yesterday, published today on several newspapers. Do you remember an interesting discussion here not long ago? marcel
       Mar 14, 2005 @ 13:51 - marcelmiquel ("marcelmiquel" <marcelmiquel@correu.mesvilaweb.com>)
17031. Re: [BoundaryPoint] inside or outside?
       nice one & clearly the pope was still outside the vatican when this pic was taken just as his car was turning into his er driveway since the outer edge of the
       Mar 14, 2005 @ 14:39 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17032. nmtx laffs & a serious question about high points
       thanx roger & thats a great site you have there too i would only add about nmoktx that it is indeed much closer to the 103rd meridian than txnw is & may well
       Mar 14, 2005 @ 16:15 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17033. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: TX proposes "free-for-all brawl" with NM over land
       The reason nmtx then turns east at the northern line of tx for three miles until it reaches the ok n/s line is that north of tx, the 103rd meridian is the ok
       Mar 14, 2005 @ 17:11 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
17034. Re: TX proposes "free-for-all brawl" with NM over land
       Kevin: The Oklahoma panhandle is more or less the 103rd meredian (although the tristate marker is off by a few feet as Altheia noted). The photos on my page
       Mar 14, 2005 @ 17:50 - Roger_Rowlett ("Roger_Rowlett" <roger.rowlett@...>)
17035. Re: nmtx laffs & a serious question about high points
       Altheia: Thanks for the nice comments. Anyway several years ago I set up a page on the highest points of Europe based on a version of the CIA Factbook and
       Mar 14, 2005 @ 18:01 - Roger_Rowlett ("Roger_Rowlett" <roger.rowlett@...>)
17036. Re: TX proposes "free-for-all brawl" with NM over land
       Sorry for the correction, I meant to say there is benchmark further east of the tristate marker and closer to the meridian. ... the ... interesting ... this
       Mar 14, 2005 @ 18:04 - Roger_Rowlett ("Roger_Rowlett" <roger.rowlett@...>)
17037. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: TX proposes "free-for-all brawl" with NM over land
       Yes. NMTX is 103° as surveyed by Clark in 1859, and NMOK is the Cimarron Meridian (nominally103°, but still imperfect) as surveyed by Chaney and Smith of
       Mar 14, 2005 @ 18:19 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17038. Re: TX proposes "free-for-all brawl" with NM over land
       yes right roger & there are indeed several more of the same style due north of the tristate marker along the nmok state line & yes this nmoktx marker & other
       Mar 14, 2005 @ 21:12 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17039. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: nmtx laffs & a serious question about high points
       thanx this goes a good ways toward the desired end since i think we can safely rule europe out entirely at least based on your data here & perhaps you could
       Mar 14, 2005 @ 21:26 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17040. STOP Sign in Northern New Jersey
       For reasons unknown to me, the Borough of Sussex, in Sussex County, New Jersey, is octagonally shaped. As with many other NJ boroughs, towns, etc., it is
       Mar 14, 2005 @ 23:07 - spookymike@aol.com (spookymike@...)
17041. security council renews semiannual lease & chidings on djeret try
       http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N14527355.htm __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
       Mar 14, 2005 @ 23:09 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17042. Re: STOP Sign in Northern New Jersey
       handsome & fascinating find mike & tho further info on this municipality is elusive its absence from a 1903 topo indicates it is relatively recent & thus
       Mar 15, 2005 @ 02:16 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17043. yikes menh joins nmtx & denj in first known simultaneous multifolly try
       http://www.seacoastonline.com/news/03152005/news/69897.htm __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources
       Mar 15, 2005 @ 14:24 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17044. bdin live ammo hydraulic slap fight subsides into diplomacy
       today http://www.expressnewsline.com/phpnews2.php?action=fullnews&showcomments=1&id=205 last week
       Mar 15, 2005 @ 15:35 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17045. yikes nm senate unanimous about nmtx follies despite antifrivolity law
       http://rismedia.com/index.php/article/articleview/9622/1/1/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources
       Mar 15, 2005 @ 15:47 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17046. Re: Ghost tp
       The 241 marker ( photo 8 ) http://www.allgaeu-ausfluege.de/alpindreilaendereck.htm marcel
       Mar 15, 2005 @ 18:36 - marcelmiquelcat ("marcelmiquelcat" <marcelmiquel@...>)
17047. Re: STOP Sign in Northern New Jersey
       http://tinyurl.com/59fvv narrows the difference between the longest & shortest sides of the octagon to perhaps as little as 125 feet or only about 6 percent &
       Mar 15, 2005 @ 19:11 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17048. Re: Ghost tp
       yikes but whats this must be the wrong link for all i can figure so please confirm or correct ... ... setting ... f001 ...
       Mar 15, 2005 @ 19:14 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17049. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: STOP Sign in Northern New Jersey
       I just talked to the borough clerk s office and the woman told me that neither she, nor the mayor, nor anyone in the office at the moment has any idea why
       Mar 15, 2005 @ 19:21 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
17050. A quint-point/pent-point!
       see for yourself: http://www.tc.umn.edu/~terre011/nevparish.GIF Not exactly proper, but it s probably about as close as we ll ever get. Nevis is part of the
       Mar 15, 2005 @ 19:29 - sdrawkcabdom ("sdrawkcabdom" <sdrawkcab8@...>)
17051. Re: STOP Sign in Northern New Jersey
       hahahahaha nice play were they surprised or amused or anything & how about the library ... me that ... moment has any ... Jersey ... of ... general ... formed
       Mar 15, 2005 @ 19:32 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17052. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: STOP Sign in Northern New Jersey
       I may make a few more calls... but the woman who answered the phone seemed dumbfounded when I asked her if she or any local history buff there could tell me
       Mar 15, 2005 @ 19:36 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
17053. Re: A quint-point/pent-point!
       ... http://www.tc.umn.edu/~terre011/nevparish.GIF ... Caribbean. ... but ... for more on this point please see
       Mar 15, 2005 @ 19:55 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17054. Re: Ghost tp
       Ooops! Sorry, the link was wrong. The correct one is: http://tinyurl.com/4a643 Can somebody traslate the link I ve previously posted? I think it s an internal
       Mar 15, 2005 @ 21:01 - marcelmiquelcat ("marcelmiquelcat" <marcelmiquel@...>)
17055. Re: A quint-point/pent-point!
       By the way, two excellent pics from this multipoint marker: http://www.polioliitto.com/poliolehti3-04/Suolle4.jpg
       Mar 15, 2005 @ 21:36 - marcelmiquelcat ("marcelmiquelcat" <marcelmiquel@...>)
17056. Re: Jerusalem
       ... Despite significant physical changes to the urban landscape of Jerusalem since 1967, it s still possible to follow the routes of the two pre-67 front lines
       Mar 15, 2005 @ 21:58 - Martin Pratt ("Martin Pratt" <m.a.pratt@...>)
17057. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Ghost tp
       I don t know where it is, but several locations from the text and signs appear on this map http://tinyurl.com/5j9wq Both i DE and AT. Jesper ... From:
       Mar 15, 2005 @ 22:17 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
17058. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Ghost tp
       aha no problem of course & right on 241 this new ghost you bring tho may have been the augsburg bavaria tirol tricountry stone of 1785 thru the early 1800s if
       Mar 15, 2005 @ 22:37 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17059. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Ghost tp
       a now slightly more educated guess is not really a ghost nor actually all within germany oops but a surviving working atde rock between the german state of
       Mar 16, 2005 @ 00:42 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17060. Re: inside or outside?
       In my humble opinion, all occupants in the official vehicle are on Vatican soil, regardless of where the vehicle is physically located.
       Mar 16, 2005 @ 07:23 - glenbowman2 ("glenbowman2" <glenbowman2@...>)
17061. Re: Ghost tp
       Hi, Do you mean this one: http://www.allgaeu-ausfluege.de/alpindreilaendereck.htm If yes, it says on the wooden sign: Tripoint (or literally
       Mar 16, 2005 @ 14:45 - Anton Zeilinger ("Anton Zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
17062. Re: inside or outside?
       ... That may be the practical result, but it is not correct from a legal point of view. A vehicle is never per se sovereign soil of any state; if it is used by
       Mar 16, 2005 @ 14:53 - Anton Zeilinger ("Anton Zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
17063. Re: Ghost tp
       bravo youve split my arrow ... site ... the ... border ... (probably ... it s ... ... marcelmiquelcat ... f002 ... thats ... danzig ...
       Mar 16, 2005 @ 15:13 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17064. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: inside or outside?
       welcome glen & beautiful idea i also intuit that not only the popes vehicle or that of the chief of any other sovereign state but indeed everyones vehicle is
       Mar 16, 2005 @ 15:13 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17065. river condo authority joins denj follies
       it gets better as it goes http://www.nj.com/news/sunbeam/index.ssf?/base/news-2/1110964814215190.xml __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo!
       Mar 16, 2005 @ 15:36 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17066. RE: [BoundaryPoint] river condo authority joins denj follies
       Why do the NJ politicians keep referring to this boundary as an anomaly when it has been known since it was set up? I used to work in Gloucester County NJ
       Mar 16, 2005 @ 18:20 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
17067. Re: [BoundaryPoint] river condo authority joins denj follies
       You are entirely correct. This is an anomaly only in New Jersey s experience. It is no different in theory from the numerous other river bank boundaries
       Mar 16, 2005 @ 20:19 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17068. Re: river condo authority joins denj follies
       ... anomaly ... Gloucester ... principle from ... true but this particular example may only be an encouragement to the nj pols since the supremes have so
       Mar 16, 2005 @ 20:23 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17069. Re: river condo authority joins denj follies
       ... anomaly ... Gloucester ... principle from ... true but this particular example may only be an encouragement to the nj pols since the supremes have so
       Mar 16, 2005 @ 20:23 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17070. RE: [BoundaryPoint] river condo authority joins denj follies
       As a former New Jerseyan I can testify to the inferiority complexes its inhabitants seem to acquire with regard to NYC and Philadelphia, but picking on
       Mar 16, 2005 @ 20:29 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
17071. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: river condo authority joins denj follies
       ... I believe this is correct. What was the Duke of York s purpose, when conveying the Three Lower Counties (Delaware) to Penn, in insisting that Penn s
       Mar 16, 2005 @ 20:34 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
17072. Re: STOP Sign in Northern New Jersey
       I discussed this with a veteran reporter at the NJ Herald in Sussex County. She called me back today and said they ran a story once about the issue. The town
       Mar 16, 2005 @ 21:16 - flynnrmn ("flynnrmn" <flynnk@...>)
17073. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: river condo authority joins denj follies
       ... In 1651, Peter Stuyvesant established Fort Casimir (now New Castle) for the Dutch West India Company. In 1664, the Duke of York received the lands lost by
       Mar 16, 2005 @ 23:02 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17074. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: river condo authority joins denj follies
       ... Hmmmm. If the Duke established that Penn s boundary was to be twelve miles distance Northwards of New Castle Towne, then what is the basis for
       Mar 16, 2005 @ 23:13 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
17075. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: river condo authority joins denj follies
       King Charles II, not his brother the Duke, made Penn s original Pennsylvania boundary twelve miles distance Northwards of New Castle Towne. When they did
       Mar 16, 2005 @ 23:34 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17076. Re: river condo authority joins denj follies
       kevin ... ground? well monumented or marked on the ground is what demarcation generally means but yes to answer the excellent question you must have meant the
       Mar 17, 2005 @ 00:20 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17077. Re: river condo authority joins denj follies
       ... deed ... however i also just noticed at topozone that almost the entire 1687 line from tidewater all the way to the raritan terminus continues to function
       Mar 17, 2005 @ 01:16 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17078. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: river condo authority joins denj follies
       ... ..and if one ISN T ever found, what it the oldest known working rock in America? Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA
       Mar 17, 2005 @ 01:31 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17079. oldest known working rocks in america
       http://www.hampton.lib.nh.us/hampton/history/boundrock.htm says this 1656 or 1657 or 1659 town line rock which however has evidently worked only intermittently
       Mar 17, 2005 @ 02:52 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17080. Re: river condo authority joins denj follies
       ... Pennsylvania ... Towne. ... separate deeds of ... front of me now, ... twelve-mile circle, ... southward. The first ... at the north end ... denj follies
       Mar 17, 2005 @ 06:00 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17081. Re: [BoundaryPoint] river condo authority joins denj follies
       Has anyone else notice that New Jersey gets upset when Delaware claims that pier or extension off the New Jersey bank of the Delaware River is part of
       Mar 17, 2005 @ 08:00 - Asher Samuels (Asher Samuels <asher972@...>)
17082. Re: Ghost tp
       ... I guess so... I hadn t yet read your reply when I wrote mine. Oh well - but at least we came to the same conclusion. Cheerio, Anton ... different ... depl
       Mar 17, 2005 @ 09:43 - Anton Zeilinger ("Anton Zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
17083. Re: [BoundaryPoint] river condo authority joins denj follies
       well both of these objects of neighborly desire are after all on the jersey side of the respective estuary but you know how cranky states & countries do
       Mar 17, 2005 @ 14:16 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17084. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Ghost tp
       understood & i meant it as a supreme compliment & spent most of yesterday searching for the incredibly elusive detail map that would confirm our guess scouring
       Mar 17, 2005 @ 14:31 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17085. Re: [BoundaryPoint] river condo authority joins denj follies
       ... even municipalities naturally act this way a good case in point & a nice legal study too in the news today
       Mar 17, 2005 @ 14:46 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17086. Re: river condo authority joins denj follies
       oops url corrected in text at end ... http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050317/NE WS16/503170373
       Mar 17, 2005 @ 14:55 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17087. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: river condo authority joins denj follies
       whooops lets play that one again & i promise it is a neat article if we can get it ...
       Mar 17, 2005 @ 15:01 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17088. Fox ridicules U.S.-Mexican border walls
       Fox ridicules U.S.-Mexican border walls (UPI) Mexican President Vicente Fox has denounced border walls the United States is building to stem illegal
       Mar 17, 2005 @ 16:46 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <w1wh@...>)
17089. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: river condo authority joins denj follies
       ... No, that isn t what I thought. Some docs I was perusing online in the archives talked about the extension of the circle over to the low water mark, and not
       Mar 17, 2005 @ 16:57 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
17090. arc swings was denj follies etc
       toon town imagery ahead not for sensitive minds ... oh ok & thats to be expected but i am glad i got this extravagant thought out here because i once hoped to
       Mar 17, 2005 @ 19:05 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17091. meanwhile back at aztxut up to 10000 mormon fundamentalists
       http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/news/nation/11161192.htm __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less.
       Mar 17, 2005 @ 21:59 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17092. azut pluralist police condo under fire now too
       http://www.azdailysun.com/non_sec/nav_includes/story.cfm?storyID=105195 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page
       Mar 17, 2005 @ 22:07 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17093. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: river condo authority joins denj follies
       Yes. The analogy between the Delaware portion of Artificial Island and the New Jersey portion of Ellis Island is almost perfect. When a boundary is in place
       Mar 17, 2005 @ 22:51 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17094. Re: [BoundaryPoint] arc swings was denj follies etc
       ... Excellent! However, be sure to look in the National Archives, not the Library of Congress. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA
       Mar 17, 2005 @ 22:57 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17095. Re: [BoundaryPoint] arc swings was denj follies etc
       oops & thanx & here is an opportunity to feast on the prehistory of the formation of the depa arc from as early as 1673 yikes as an original & still inchoate
       Mar 17, 2005 @ 23:40 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17096. 1687ejwj1702 marker prospects
       Note: forwarded message attached. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!
       Mar 18, 2005 @ 01:49 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17097. RE: Sussex Borough, NJ = "Stop Sign" = octagon
       this from doc yesterday setting off a side flurry with kevin & mike also reporting additional sussex plays in progress & the bright new idea of trying to
       Mar 18, 2005 @ 02:18 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17098. de all set to reject bp appeal as nj bids to jam condo
       & a few other tidbits of news & background on denj http://www.nj.com/news/bridgeton/index.ssf?/base/news-2/111114122654210.xml
       Mar 18, 2005 @ 14:55 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17099. Herzegovina
       Where are the boundaries of Herzegovina? Jesper
       Mar 18, 2005 @ 17:55 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
17100. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: 'Do-able' borders
       I kow a border (Hessen - Baden) that goes through a bakery. Not exactly a bar, but maybe you ll get a drink in the nearby Gasthaus. Wolfgang ... Von: aletheiak
       Mar 18, 2005 @ 18:19 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
17101. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Herzegovina
       ... nice question http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herzegovina suggests 3 different herzegovinas all centered around mostar but with borders unclear & oft disputed
       Mar 18, 2005 @ 18:36 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17102. Re: Herzegovina
       Herzegovina is roughly the southern 1/3 of Bosnia+Herzegovina, though without any status except emotional (a bit like like Irish provinceds. I ve an inkling
       Mar 18, 2005 @ 18:41 - sdrawkcabdom ("sdrawkcabdom" <sdrawkcab8@...>)
17103. Coors beer
       All, I recently watched the film Smokey and the Bandit again (after many years) and was reminded of the plot which is about a supposedly-illegal shipment of
       Mar 18, 2005 @ 19:05 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
17104. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Coors beer
       It was a marketing decision by Coors Brewing Co., which at the time was a regional brewer. The eastern line, if I recall correctly, was Kansas City. I did a
       Mar 18, 2005 @ 19:14 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
17105. Re: Coors beer
       I remember working a right-of-way project in the Bluefield, WV area in the mid-70 s. Bluefield, WV borders Bluefield, VA and I remember that we found a small
       Mar 18, 2005 @ 19:51 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <w1wh@...>)
17106. Q, the divided island on GRTR
       Where is the divided island, Q mentioned on page 7 of http://www.law.fsu.edu/library/collection/LimitsinSeas/IBS041.pdf
       Mar 18, 2005 @ 21:10 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
17107. Re: Q, the divided island on GRTR
       on the map you provide in your second link the island q is of course too small to be shown but it must be situated pretty close to the town of elcili near the
       Mar 18, 2005 @ 21:45 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17108. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Q, the divided island on GRTR
       Enclosed satellite images south of Edirne. Jesper ... From: aletheiak To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 10:45 PM Subject:
       Mar 18, 2005 @ 21:54 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
17109. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Q, the divided island on GRTR
       which reminds me as i believe we may still be without absolute confirmation of any tripoint island today i noticed a fairly persuasive mention of what could be
       Mar 18, 2005 @ 22:26 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17110. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Q, the divided island on GRTR
       edirne itself is about 10km upriver from where the border kicks back into the maritsa & elcili & q are about 40km downriver from edirne so unless you have some
       Mar 18, 2005 @ 22:36 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17111. Re: Q, the divided island on GRTR
       if you go to http://www.locatienet.nl & give elcili for plaats in the ik wil naar box & change nederland to turkije & click on toon karte the toon town map
       Mar 18, 2005 @ 23:08 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17112. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Q, the divided island on GRTR
       Furthe south ... From: aletheiak To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 12:08 AM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Q, the divided island
       Mar 18, 2005 @ 23:32 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
17113. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Q, the divided island on GRTR
       this is almost definitely the right frame for i recognize both the elcili area near the top & the great bend area around pithion at the bottom & so your
       Mar 19, 2005 @ 01:08 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17114. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Q, the divided island on GRTR
       on further reflection all the maps i have seen agree about the railroad & there is not likely to be another railroad crossing than this one & it is not so
       Mar 19, 2005 @ 02:53 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17115. AW: [BoundaryPoint] East Berlin border posts
       Hi Laszlo, Sorry, I am a latecomer - due to holiday absence. Although being German, I am NOT an expert, but three things are sure: 1) There was no border
       Mar 19, 2005 @ 06:48 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
17116. Borders through inns
       Hasn t there been a guy recently who wanted to see borders run through bars? Here is more of that stuff:
       Mar 19, 2005 @ 13:28 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
17117. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Borders through inns
       yes youve got him here but where do you mean by here ... http://www.zollgeschichte.de/index.html?monatskarten/01_00.htm ... __________________________________
       Mar 19, 2005 @ 14:18 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17118. AW: [BoundaryPoint] inside or outside?
       Well observed. But there is no travertine - it s a more profane material, sorry to say. The Catholic Church is crazy for money, and wouldn t waste it for
       Mar 19, 2005 @ 20:38 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
17119. Interesting parts of the Cornish border
       The border between Cornwall and England (Devon county) runs mostly along the Tamar river, except at the northern part. However, there are two areas that are on
       Mar 19, 2005 @ 20:41 - sdrawkcabdom ("sdrawkcabdom" <sdrawkcab8@...>)
17120. Re: inside or outside?
       thank you http://egroups.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/13965 & it is possible that all they mean by travertine is that this cheap stuff came from the tiber
       Mar 19, 2005 @ 22:49 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17121. Re: Borders through inns
       or if you dont understand what i mean by where do you mean by here then what do you mean by that stuff ...
       Mar 19, 2005 @ 22:51 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17122. EGIL bm
       http://pro.corbis.com/popup/Enlargement.aspx?mediauids={a240c8eb-03cc-4748-beed-f38cf02a8178}|{ffffffff-ffff-ffff-ffff-ffffffffffff}&qsPageNo=3&fdid=&Area=Sear
       Mar 19, 2005 @ 23:13 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
17123. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Interesting parts of the Cornish border
       ... It depends what you mean by taken . Cornwall was granted to Earl Moreton by William the Conqueror after he invaded England, although parts of it had
       Mar 19, 2005 @ 23:14 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
17124. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Coors beer
       Kevin ... So it wasn t actually a legal prohibition? Regards, Kevin Meynell
       Mar 19, 2005 @ 23:16 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
17125. Re: [BoundaryPoint] inside or outside?
       The travertine pavement strip connecting the two arms of the colonnade was part of the 1667 design by Gianlorenzo Bernini. It was not put there as a boundary
       Mar 20, 2005 @ 02:48 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17126. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Coors beer
       It was not any kind of legal prohibition. In fact, some federal agency (Federal Trade Commission?) finally said that the company s restriction of distribution
       Mar 20, 2005 @ 04:04 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17127. huge but forgotten ghost clave rediscovered 1732gb2sc1763
       it is well known that south carolina once believed she owned a long narrow stripe of western lands that extended her territory by half again its present
       Mar 20, 2005 @ 05:05 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17128. Re: [BoundaryPoint] huge but forgotten ghost clave rediscovered 1732gb2sc1763
       Bravo! Truly a forgotten one! Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: aletheia kallos To:
       Mar 20, 2005 @ 05:36 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17129. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Coors beer
       ... a ... Correct.
       Mar 20, 2005 @ 06:28 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
17130. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Borders through inns
       Sorry, I meant Wirtshäuser Eine Besonderheit wurde gelegentlich auf Ansichtskarten, insbesondere um die Jahrhundertwende dokumentiert. Es gab - da es viele
       Mar 20, 2005 @ 08:30 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
17131. Re: huge but forgotten ghost clave rediscovered 1732gb2sc1763
       thanx & oops forgot it again but for the afterglow of star 28 so deep in the heart of them both for encore i could try to nail the de facto quaker catholic
       Mar 20, 2005 @ 13:44 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17132. Re: Coors beer
       nice ones all of you & it reminds me of the beer distribution tripoint they used to have out there in those golden days of yesteryear cohaol for coors hamms
       Mar 20, 2005 @ 13:50 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17133. Re: EGIL bm
       on the whole i would rather be in philadelphi a where eagles shit on payday
       Mar 20, 2005 @ 14:45 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17134. Re: inside or outside?
       ... material, ... waste it ... Aren t generalisations and simplifications just wonderful? They make it easy to conceal profound prejudices by using seemingly
       Mar 20, 2005 @ 22:49 - Anton Zeilinger ("Anton Zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
17135. Baarle
       Dear All, On Saturday I was unexpectedly left with half a day to spend in Brussels and decided to spend it wisely, so I rented a car and drove up to Baarle. It
       Mar 20, 2005 @ 23:26 - Anton Florian Zeilinger ("Anton Florian Zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@hotmail.com>)
17136. Re: [BoundaryPoint] huge but forgotten ghost clave rediscovered 1732gb2sc1763
       Mike, I d like to have you briefly expound on the true head of the Altamaha River, if you have ascertained it by any sawanobori on maps. The pertinent wording
       Mar 21, 2005 @ 06:11 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17137. Re: [BoundaryPoint] huge but forgotten ghost clave rediscovered 1732gb2sc1763
       sharp shooting lowell & an exquisitely beautiful question about which however i cant be too brief since as you see my use of the terms southernmost source etc
       Mar 21, 2005 @ 16:46 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17138. Re: [BoundaryPoint] huge but forgotten ghost clave rediscovered 1732gb2sc1763
       Good job! Thanks. I agree that no one likely performed such an 18th-century sawanobori. It s just an academic question for our enjoyment today and to make the
       Mar 21, 2005 @ 17:25 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17139. Re: VA Northernmost Point
       wow thanx great find mike & why not respond on list as i know there are others who are interested or could help the thing that is really remarkable about these
       Mar 21, 2005 @ 17:38 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17140. Re: Borders through inns
       Don t know about a border going thru an inn, but how about a high school built on a state border (Ohio/Indiana) and two time zones? John ... through bars?
       Mar 21, 2005 @ 17:46 - grumpy_44134 ("grumpy_44134" <grumpy_44134@...>)
17141. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Borders through inns
       The INOH line isn t a time zone boundary, even though IN doesn t observe EDT. So from April to early October, the IN side of the INOH line remains on EST,
       Mar 21, 2005 @ 18:03 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
17142. Re: Borders through inns
       college corner if you dial it up on topozone you can even see the school union school the gym is on the state line the flag flies only on the ohio side tho ...
       Mar 21, 2005 @ 18:24 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17143. VAN
       Below are e-mails exchanged between the two Mikes. I had recently reviewed the USGS datga sheet for the benchmark that looks to mark the northernmost point of
       Mar 21, 2005 @ 21:50 - spookymike@aol.com (spookymike@...)
17144. Twins within twins
       If the defacto state Transdniestrie even with the own currency (http://www.giervalk.bravepages.com/Transdniestria/transdniestria.htm) ever becomes dejure we
       Mar 21, 2005 @ 22:12 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
17145. Re: Twins within twins
       beauuuty in any case tho of course both nepal & bhutan intervene like this on cnin we think ... (http://www.giervalk.bravepages.com/Transdniestria/transdniestr
       Mar 21, 2005 @ 23:07 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17146. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Borders through inns
       cal neva resort. the california-nevada border goes through the resort s pool. ... From: grumpy_44134 [mailto:grumpy_44134@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, March 21,
       Mar 22, 2005 @ 08:27 - Beckett, Bob ("Beckett, Bob" <bob.beckett@...>)
17147. Re: Twins within twins
       actually i am surprised no one has called apples to oranges on me for this one yet or at least bananas to monkeys so i will call them on myself since the
       Mar 22, 2005 @ 09:57 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17148. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Borders through inns
       http://www.lyndonirwin.com/ccorner3.htm ... From: aletheiak [mailto:aletheiak@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 1:24 PM To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
       Mar 22, 2005 @ 11:10 - Beckett, Bob ("Beckett, Bob" <bob.beckett@...>)
17149. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Borders through inns
       MessageAt www.mexlist.com/bp/tavern.jpg , you will find the State Line Tavern between Eagleton, Arkansas, and Page, Oklahoma. The left door is in Arkansas,
       Mar 22, 2005 @ 16:38 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17150. Re: Borders through inns
       i am surprised they didnt take advantage of the opportunity to spell the i u o on the gym floor upside down instead or rather facing south as o u i today
       Mar 22, 2005 @ 17:11 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17151. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Borders through inns
       Does that mean that bar is governed by 2 different sets of liquor laws? John ... You only get one chance on this merry-go-round. But if you do it right, once
       Mar 22, 2005 @ 17:54 - Seymour Dupa (Seymour Dupa <grumpy_44134@...>)
17152. another spring break on inpk
       http://planetguru.com/Articles/ArticleDetail.aspx?ChannelId=Politics&ArticleId=12116 but if anyone wants a break from this topic anyway then also captured &
       Mar 22, 2005 @ 17:58 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17153. Re: Borders through inns
       ... http://egroups.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/12140
       Mar 22, 2005 @ 19:21 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17154. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Borders through inns
       Two different sets of alcohol-control laws are the reason for its existence. Polk County, Arkansas, is dry. (For our non-American friends, that means that
       Mar 22, 2005 @ 19:11 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17155. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Borders through inns
       With my slow connection, it was simpler to rewrite an explanation than to search out the former one at
       Mar 22, 2005 @ 19:45 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17156. Re: Q, the divided island on GRTR
       further & better confirmation at http://multimap.com where you can point & click your way right to island q for there it is shown to be exactly the length &
       Mar 22, 2005 @ 20:01 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17157. Indoor border marker
       I must admit I haven t followed the divided inn thread, yet I was inspired. Enclosed an indoor border marker on CZDE at the divided railway station at
       Mar 22, 2005 @ 20:37 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
17158. New MXUS bridge downstream of El PasoJuárez
       Here is a news article on a planned new bridge on the Rio Grande/Río Bravo del Norte between Tornillo, Texas, and Guadalupe Bravos, Chihuahua, which has just
       Mar 22, 2005 @ 23:52 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17159. Re: Q, the divided island on GRTR
       ok i have checked the text of the treaty of lausanne of 1923 & there is nothing about these bridges in it so the ibs analysts got their info about the bridges
       Mar 23, 2005 @ 00:32 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17160. Re: Indoor border marker
       well of course kytnva & tho washington dc isnt actually subdivided legally centered directly beneath the capitol dome on the rotunda floor is the conventional
       Mar 23, 2005 @ 02:50 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17161. Disputed islands nip Toyota's profits
       http://tinyurl.com/4db38
       Mar 23, 2005 @ 03:09 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17162. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Disputed islands nip Toyota's profits
       There was a piece on one of the Discovery Channels the other day about this island. Underwater archaeologists might have found some remains of Kublai Khan s
       Mar 23, 2005 @ 03:42 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
17163. Border markers 4 sail
       Dear all, Has anybody already tried eBay to purchase representative border markers? It s high time for us to consider establishing an online outlet for border
       Mar 23, 2005 @ 11:20 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
17164. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border markers 4 sail
       Hi Wolfgang, you mean, if this business will succeed, we could go for a sailing-trip ? ;-) Chris ... From: Wolfgang Schaub To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
       Mar 23, 2005 @ 11:34 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
17165. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Border markers 4 sail
       Yeah! you ll find me in http://www.therockalltimes.co.uk/rockall-ho/2005-team.html Wolfgang ... Von: chris schulz [mailto:23568@gmx.de] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23.
       Mar 23, 2005 @ 12:02 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
17166. he nips a toyota spin eh pal
       & on the same divine wind comes actual news from the world of multipointing http://sg.biz.yahoo.com/050323/15/3rg2u.html namely fresh intelligence that the
       Mar 23, 2005 @ 14:47 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17167. Re: Border markers 4 sail
       haha good set up & charitable play promoting self & mental health could dinkum sands be far behind pic 37 on page 19 of 91
       Mar 23, 2005 @ 15:49 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17168. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Indoor border marker
       I have not followed most of the threads. Jesper are you sure this is a bm? What does DB stands for? About anywhere else: Off course we know the semi-official
       Mar 23, 2005 @ 21:55 - Harry ten Veen (Harry ten Veen <h.ten.veen@...>)
17169. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Indoor border marker
       Harry Off course it its a real border marker. DB is Deutchland/Bayern. I don t remember any markers in Baarle. Only the symbolic one on the square. Do you have
       Mar 23, 2005 @ 22:08 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
17170. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Indoor border marker
       More pictures from the divided railway station: http://www.speaker.cz/koukni_2.htm Note the marker on the door step and by the rails. Jesper ... From: Jesper
       Mar 23, 2005 @ 22:17 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
17171. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Indoor border marker
       Hi Jesper, My first thought was DB=Deutsche Bundesbahn. Sorry. I ment the semi-official striping in the Biergrens and the shop Beter Bed in Baarle. On second
       Mar 23, 2005 @ 22:32 - Harry ten Veen (Harry ten Veen <h.ten.veen@...>)
17172. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Indoor border marker
       In this case, I think DB really means Deutsche (Bundes)Bahn . Look at the marker on the perron, there s DB on the one and the logo of the Czech railway
       Mar 23, 2005 @ 22:41 - Alqaszar ("Alqaszar" <alqaszar@...>)
17173. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Indoor border marker
       off course i have not followed most of the threads either but this bm tower looks perfect for indoor bm hermits
       Mar 24, 2005 @ 00:07 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17174. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Indoor border marker
       I am to lazy to scan anything now, but here is the last Deutche Bahn marker before the tp with Austria:
       Mar 24, 2005 @ 00:21 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
17175. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Indoor border marker
       Beautifull. Nice one. Jesper ... From: aletheia kallos To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 1:07 AM Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint]
       Mar 24, 2005 @ 00:26 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
17176. us2pa3caclin once a real cherry tree
       http://www.pips.psu.edu/lesson1/PLHS-9.html http://topozone.com/map.asp?lat=40.72639&lon=-78.80694 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo!
       Mar 24, 2005 @ 01:17 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17177. Point Roberts in the News
       From Sunday s Washington Post A Free Lunch Could Be Costly Frederick Gilliland was on the run from the scores of investors who contended he had scammed them of
       Mar 24, 2005 @ 00:49 - Andrew T. Patton (Andrew T. Patton <andrew@...>)
17178. another purported tripoint island us2tn3vawawh
       with eye witness accounts http://www.rootsweb.com/~tvanbur/1crouch.html but again the usgs topo doesnt quite show it
       Mar 24, 2005 @ 01:55 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17179. oops url corrected now Re: another purported tripoint island us2tn3vawawh
       
       Mar 24, 2005 @ 02:09 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17180. Luxembourg stamp pictures Condo
       Luxembourg recently assumed presidency of the European Union, and its post office issued a set of four stamps in January to commemorate the event in January .
       Mar 24, 2005 @ 03:58 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
17181. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Border markers 4 sail
       I was sure you would comment this, Mike. You don t fail to comment anything. Different from me, this time, at least, you produced something heavily digestible
       Mar 24, 2005 @ 10:13 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
17182. 3 years noted since last move in 31 year bdin clave swap chess
       http://pib.nic.in/release/release.asp?relid=8152 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard.
       Mar 24, 2005 @ 14:11 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17183. Re: Border markers 4 sail
       indeed & thank you too wolfgang for so trusting & enjoying the sheer bulk of my success yet i must also say in fairness you are exceedingly generous in your
       Mar 24, 2005 @ 14:56 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17184. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Indoor border marker
       There is a Big Y Supermarket in Massachusetts that is on the line between two towns - Hadley & Amherst. There is a line in the floor that traverses the entire
       Mar 24, 2005 @ 18:48 - Len Levin (Len Levin <levinlen@...>)
17185. Re: Indoor border marker
       Another Massachusetts example is the supermarket on the line between the towns of Plymouth and Kingston...the town line is marked through the store by a black
       Mar 24, 2005 @ 19:32 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <w1wh@...>)
17186. mxus april fools vigilantes & air force taking heavy fire
       http://www.sitnews.us/0305news/032405/032405_shns_minman.html http://www.newkerala.com/news-daily/news/features.php?action=fullnews&id=89949
       Mar 24, 2005 @ 22:34 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17187. Re: Indoor border marker
       & proceeding from mass town line supermarketing to mass town line super megapointing i see the claim is made about halfway down the page in
       Mar 25, 2005 @ 00:33 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17188. Re: Indoor border marker
       here it looks like only a few original town lines really converged http://www.oldmapsetc.com/barnstablewallmap.jpg ... barnstable ... 9 ... beyond
       Mar 25, 2005 @ 15:26 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17189. florabama bar & alfl mullet toss rise again
       http://www.theplainsman.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/03/25/4241efd548607 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new
       Mar 25, 2005 @ 19:27 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17190. Re: Indoor border marker
       thanx it is evidently at the slight westward bump of hungary about 8km wsw of koszeg or about 96km due south of vienna & 6km due north of rechnitz austria ...
       Mar 25, 2005 @ 20:51 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17191. Olivença discussion list
       Yahoo list about Olivença, a Portuguese territory illegaly occupied by Spain : http://br.groups.yahoo.com/group/olivenca/ ... Information about the
       Mar 25, 2005 @ 23:51 - quadernet (quadernet <quadernet@...>)
17192. Fwd: So you think you know your 'Borders Of The World'?? This is fun
       Here s a test of your geography skills... www.sheppardsoftware.com/country_europe_G2_drag-drop.html My results: 37 out of 44 Av error: 55 miles Pct. Correct:
       Mar 26, 2005 @ 02:03 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
17193. New joint admin over German rivers
       First off, I d like to say I m not too pleased with the new display of message titles in Yahoo now. I vote for going back to the former. I just learned from
       Mar 26, 2005 @ 02:06 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
17194. Re: Fwd: So you think you know your 'Borders Of The World'?? This is fun
       Great link, thanks a lot! I just wasted lots of time playing it! ;-) Have you tried the Einstein level? That s really challenging; you only get the form of the
       Mar 26, 2005 @ 08:58 - Anton Zeilinger ("Anton Zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
17195. Re: New joint admin over German rivers
       ... indeed you are entirely off for you would have to be too pleased to like to say youre not
       Mar 26, 2005 @ 14:31 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17196. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fwd: So you think you know your 'Borders Of The World'?? This is fun
       That was fun. I got 44 out of 44! Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: Doug Murray To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 25,
       Mar 26, 2005 @ 16:25 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17197. 1000 mxus foolgilantes waitlist 20 but call for more air power
       http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/mld/ledgerenquirer/news/local/11238709.htm __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new
       Mar 26, 2005 @ 21:01 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17198. fiancee of detained border guard marries pot instead
       http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_27-3-2005_pg9_6 & related stories it is also your right to know __________________________________ Do you
       Mar 26, 2005 @ 21:44 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17199. chfr contraband classic redux
       http://www.maconareaonline.com/news.asp?id=10262
       Mar 26, 2005 @ 22:25 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17200. Re: Indoor border marker
       first lets see if this works http://multimap.com/map/browse.cgi? client=public&X=1829500&Y=5968500&width=500&height=300&gride=&gridn=&srec=0
       Mar 26, 2005 @ 23:23 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17201. ok this should work now Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Indoor border marker
       http://multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?client=public&X=1829500&Y=5968500&width=500&height=300&gride=&gridn=&srec=0&coordsys=mercator&db=w3&addr1=&addr2=&addr3=&pc=
       Mar 26, 2005 @ 23:31 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17202. wysw pic culminating 7point mormon tour of utah
       facing south on utwy last november as reported in real time http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/15946
       Mar 27, 2005 @ 01:14 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
17203. "Halt! Zollgrenze!"
       Remembering my earliest montain-climbing days when I was 8 years old: Around the Kleine Walsertal, back in 1952, there have been signposts marking the customs
       Mar 27, 2005 @ 07:37 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
17204. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fwd: So you think you know your 'Borders Of The World'?? This is fun
       If you think this is fun, try : you can test your knowledge of topography against other online players. :-) (On Europe and the world,
       Mar 27, 2005 @ 12:11 - Pepijn Hendriks ("Pepijn Hendriks" <yahoo@...>)
17205. inpk joyriders to change buses at border bridge ceremony
       & other tidbits as countdown to blastoff proceeds in mud & chaos http://www.newkerala.com/news-daily/news/features.php?action=fullnews&id=90841 test your
       Mar 27, 2005 @ 13:47 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17206. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fwd: So you think you know your 'Borders Of The World'?? This is fun
       The Americas are difficult for Europeans, and Europe is difficult for Americans. We usually think of European nations as being very old, while the Americas
       Mar 27, 2005 @ 15:14 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17207. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Fwd: So you think you know your 'Borders Of The World'?? This is fun
       Rhetorical questions deserve rhetorical answers. Terminology: Nations are different from countries . The old vanished DDR always wanted to be a nation and
       Mar 27, 2005 @ 16:11 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
17208. divided factory ; region of the tp befrlu ; indoor border
       Hello, Return from a promenade near the border of the south of Luxembourg. 2 interestring places : - a divided factory (Belgium and Luxembourg). No photos :
       Mar 27, 2005 @ 19:28 - Romain HODAPP ("Romain HODAPP" <romain_hodapp@yahoo.fr>)
17209. srinagar bus inaugural snowballs into stadium event
       while companion muzaffarabad departure prepares for earlier start http://www.keralanext.com/news/index.asp?id=164779&pg=1 & another recent report from the
       Mar 28, 2005 @ 13:42 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17210. Re: divided factory ; region of the tp befrlu ; indoor border
       did you try for the befrlu tripoint itself &or do you have an idea of its exact location as this is another one about which there remains some uncertainty or
       Mar 28, 2005 @ 15:48 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17211. Re: Fwd: So you think you know your 'Borders Of The World'?? This is fun
       & australia is very easy for africans & antarctica is a cinch for asians as well as islanders & boat people among others if any whom we may know or even just
       Mar 28, 2005 @ 17:59 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17212. Re: [BoundaryPoint] divided factory ; region of the tp befrlu ; indoor border
       What a great place to work. My attached 1:10 000 BE map (dated 1988), shows the factory was extended into BE. Jesper ... From: Romain HODAPP To:
       Mar 28, 2005 @ 18:45 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
17213. Re: divided factory ; region of the tp befrlu ; indoor border
       Hello, I don t know why, but this message doesn t appear at gmane.org and so, I can t see the maps attached to it. Could someone reload the files again? Thank
       Mar 28, 2005 @ 20:36 - marcelmiquelcat ("marcelmiquelcat" <marcelmiquel@...>)
17214. assam complains of encroachment by 4 of her 7 neighbor states
       news report with hard data in hectares except in one case for some reason in bighas
       Mar 28, 2005 @ 22:00 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17215. Re: assam complains of encroachment by 4 of her 7 neighbor states
       actually it is looking like tin means only 3 in bengali http://www.virtualbangladesh.com/bd_phrases.html dohh figure that so at tin bigha you are apparently
       Mar 28, 2005 @ 23:36 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17216. pak cricket star divulges secret marriage to indian
       & crowd goes wild http://news.independent.co.uk/world/asia/story.jsp?story=624461 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try
       Mar 29, 2005 @ 01:15 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17217. Tin
       I think I mentioned that oddity already, as this fact always did bother me. Tin does means three and not ten, but Tin Bigha is close to ten or eleven bighas.
       Mar 29, 2005 @ 01:41 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
17218. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: divided factory ; region of the tp befrlu ; indoor border
       It is done by a personnal message Romain ----- Original Message ----- From: marcelmiquelcat To:
       Mar 29, 2005 @ 08:00 - Romain HODAPP ("Romain HODAPP" <romain_hodapp@...>)
17219. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: divided factory ; region of the tp befrlu ; indoor border
       
       Mar 29, 2005 @ 08:13 - Romain HODAPP ("Romain HODAPP" <romain_hodapp@...>)
17220. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New joint admin over German rivers
       On this section of the river, between Grossbliederstroff (F) et Kleinblietersdorf (D), I read that it s existing a small island (who appears only at low
       Mar 29, 2005 @ 08:23 - Romain HODAPP ("Romain HODAPP" <romain_hodapp@...>)
17221. Re: [BoundaryPoint] So you think you know your 'Borders Of The World'??
       ... Not if one included the (overlapping) territorial claims there! Cheers, Kevin Meynell
       Mar 29, 2005 @ 11:04 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
17222. Re: divided factory ; region of the tp befrlu ; indoor border
       We need the map attached to the 2002 france/luxemburg treaty that possibly changed the tripoint: Décret n° 2002-1188 du 12 septembre 2002 portant publication
       Mar 29, 2005 @ 12:54 - marcelmiquelcat ("marcelmiquelcat" <marcelmiquel@...>)
17223. maps representing the delu condominium ... on line !!!
       Hi, I don t remember if the following link came from a message of the BP yahoogroups, but on the link below :
       Mar 29, 2005 @ 13:22 - Romain HODAPP ("Romain HODAPP" <romain_hodapp@yahoo.fr>)
17224. Re: So you think you know your 'Borders Of The World'??
       haha but finding such a one in asia who still actually includes & believes in them will be the trick or finding anyone of the northern persuasion anywhere who
       Mar 29, 2005 @ 14:19 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17225. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: divided factory ; region of the tp befrlu ; indoor border
       good point for we couldnt do better than that & should certainly keep trying to find it but in the meantime we do have this interesting if inconclusive befrlu
       Mar 29, 2005 @ 15:07 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17226. Re: [BoundaryPoint] So you think you know your 'Borders Of The World'??
       ... Yes, but if the claims were ever reactivated/recognised, that would presumably create the ultimate multipoint? There would appear to be at least six
       Mar 29, 2005 @ 15:10 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
17227. Re: So you think you know your 'Borders Of The World'??
       true for it is even now a ghost sexinational hendecapoint arauclfrgbnz1959 with not just 1 but 2 slices of everyones land thrown in since the norwegian claim
       Mar 29, 2005 @ 15:49 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17228. Re: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fwd: So you think you know your 'Borders Of The World'?? This is fun
       43/44 :( My efficiency: 98% I missed Malta... Lowell G. McManus napisa³(a): That was fun. I got 44 out of 44! Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA
       Mar 29, 2005 @ 17:04 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@...>)
17229. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fwd: So you think you know your 'Borders Of The World'?? This is fun
       ... smile handsome not bad for an afroeurasian
       Mar 30, 2005 @ 12:48 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17230. followup to msg17085 re cranky municipalities
       these 2 are getting downright hysterical http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050330/NEWS16/503300359/-1/NEWS __________________________________
       Mar 30, 2005 @ 18:39 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17231. axworthy suggests talking & resuming djeret try concurrently
       as envisioned in message 11868 i suppose & he challenges mother canada in particular to take the initiative now
       Mar 30, 2005 @ 21:18 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17232. closing in on cninpk along both cnin & inpk at once via mauritius
       singh readies catchy new song for when wen arrives april 9 which goes we cant change borders but in a globalized world borders dont matter
       Mar 30, 2005 @ 22:06 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17233. Re: [BoundaryPoint] followup to msg17085 re cranky municipalities
       A profound and near-universal truth about boundaries was spoken by Lucas County Auditor Larry Kaczala in the article: People don t get interested in who owns
       Mar 30, 2005 @ 22:17 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17234. Re: followup to msg17085 re cranky municipalities
       of course every bit of it is about economics every bit of it without exception everything about politics is about economics everything about religion is about
       Mar 30, 2005 @ 22:45 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17235. Re: followup to msg17085 re cranky municipalities
       & indeed enough federal tax credits have been found to blow the whole tempest away http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050331/NEWS16/503310382
       Mar 31, 2005 @ 13:20 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17236. nepal hitches a ride on kashmir bus opening
       among other fascinating news http://www.kntimes.com/final/large35.asp?status=100&newsid=413
       Mar 31, 2005 @ 13:55 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17237. huge lost my2kepi twin was 1869gbth1909 rock
       http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2005/3/31/nation/10554291&sec=nation but can anyone find its mate now or even just bukit panchor the supposed
       Mar 31, 2005 @ 14:33 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
17238. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Indoor border marker
       Eef Berns mentioned another (semi-official) indoor border marker to me. See http://www.grenspalen.nl/archief-denl/gp-depruis-nl-228-238.html, find marker 232
       Mar 31, 2005 @ 21:40 - Harry ten Veen (Harry ten Veen <h.ten.veen@...>)
17239. american acre in runnymeade uk
       http://melinlondon.typepad.com/photos/runnymead_and_windsor/ I have seen reference to this acre being deeded to the USA by the UK, but i forget the history of
       Mar 31, 2005 @ 22:15 - raedwulf16 ("raedwulf16" <raedwulf16@...>)
17240. Re: wysw pic culminating 7point mormon tour of utah
       & seeing as one good tour deserves an even better one http://www.sltrib.com/outdoors/ci_2631545 indeed the first of its kind that i have found to claim full
       Mar 31, 2005 @ 22:39 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17241. Re: american acre in runnymeade uk
       http://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/places/runnymede/history.html pretty well answers your first question under 1965 & it would be tacky for the usa to actually
       Mar 31, 2005 @ 22:54 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17242. more jersey jokes
       http://ydr.com/story/mike/63577/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Personals - Better first dates. More second dates.
       Mar 31, 2005 @ 23:05 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17243. Re: american acre in runnymeade uk
       There s a big difference between ceded and only deeded . The USA owns a lot of property around the world over which it isn t the sovereign. I recall the
       Apr 01, 2005 @ 02:21 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
17244. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Indoor border marker
       In what kind of building is this marker located? Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: Harry ten Veen To:
       Apr 01, 2005 @ 02:38 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17245. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: american acre in runnymeade uk
       I agree with Len. The USA is landowner of that acre, not sovereign. There s a small parcel of land down the road from me that s owned by the State of
       Apr 01, 2005 @ 03:21 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17246. Re: [BoundaryPoint] wysw pic culminating 7point mormon tour of utah
       ... Hmmm.. I drove through there last month. Due to limited time and the primary goal of visiting the Grand Canyon, the boundary/multipoint opportunities
       Apr 01, 2005 @ 10:52 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
17247. culminating 7point mormon tour of utah
       yes azut was never very popular with the locals when the mormons arrived in deseret aka greater salt lake in 1847 this whole area was still legally mexico as
       Apr 01, 2005 @ 13:35 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17248. multi mouse roars du jour
       http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2005/s1336219.htm
       Apr 01, 2005 @ 14:40 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17249. hopefully corrected multi mouse roars du jour
       ... http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2005/s1336219.htm ...
       Apr 01, 2005 @ 14:46 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17250. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Indoor border marker
       Translation please. Is the corner the official border point 232? Where is the marker? Jesper ... From: Lowell G. McManus To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
       Apr 01, 2005 @ 15:23 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
17251. surprisingly few show up for border folly showdown
       http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/news/040105_nw_showdown.html __________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger Show us what our next emoticon should look like.
       Apr 01, 2005 @ 21:10 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17252. surprisingly many show up to cover bus inaugural
       http://www.deepikaglobal.com/ENG3_sub.asp?catcode=&subcatcode=&newscode=98056 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page
       Apr 01, 2005 @ 21:58 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17253. Re: [BoundaryPoint] culminating 7point mormon tour of utah
       ... There were small signs indicating that one was entering Arizona, but these were little more than the signs that announce townships (pop. 50 etc..). I don t
       Apr 01, 2005 @ 22:42 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
17254. DE-L Condo Tripoints
       I took time to follow the entire route of the two parts of the condominium from the Luxembourg map site, and found that to the north of Vianden, in the
       Apr 02, 2005 @ 00:53 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
17255. border rows multiplying in russia
       http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20050401-034155-1835r.htm all 18 of the mentioned republics oblasts krays okrugs etc sometimes with slightly different
       Apr 02, 2005 @ 01:39 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17256. brahmin pundit on delicacy & global import of cninpk try etc
       http://washingtontimes.com/world/20050401-112015-4549r.htm __________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger Show us what our next emoticon should look like.
       Apr 02, 2005 @ 14:15 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17257. same master & try but in zen translation
       http://www.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/geted.pl5?eo20050402bc.htm fascinating i wonder if he has a different version for every world capital
       Apr 02, 2005 @ 14:43 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17258. mxus high noon begins monday for perhaps 170 showdowners
       http://edition.cnn.com/2005/US/04/02/border.volunteers.ap/ but who would even think of trying to sneak past them all now yikes what with all this advance
       Apr 02, 2005 @ 16:15 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17259. Re: DE-L Condo Tripoints
       ... funny i immediately took the same trip myself & found the aerial pix even better than the topos for spotting islands but you must also recall our previous
       Apr 02, 2005 @ 17:16 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17260. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Indoor border marker
       The situation is in Kerkrade (NL) Herzogenrath (DE). Border marker 232 has disappeared, as a new office building was placed right on the border. The turn in
       Apr 02, 2005 @ 20:08 - Harry ten Veen (Harry ten Veen <h.ten.veen@...>)
17261. aztec dancers & drummers welcome minutemen to tombstone & mxus
       http://www.douglasdispatch.com/articles/2005/04/02/news/01_minuteman%20protest.txt but will these newcomers usually think of mexico as an old nation yet
       Apr 03, 2005 @ 00:35 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17262. Tin Bigha
       The original area the corridor was formed in was called Tin Bigha, I believe, rather than the corridor being 3 bighas in extent. ... Dr Brendan Whyte Assistant
       Apr 03, 2005 @ 04:24 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
17263. pe.com article from m
       m [barbaria_longa@hotmail.com] has sent you a story from pe.com. (Page at: http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stories/PE_News_Local_D_minute03.fa4f.html)
       Apr 03, 2005 @ 14:18 - barbaria_longa@hotmail.com (barbaria_longa@...)
17264. Re: Tin Bigha
       ... all perhaps true except i dont recall that earlier mention nor would it have been unfortunate even if he had known then or did know now my own guess still
       Apr 03, 2005 @ 15:45 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17265. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Tin Bigha
       here is another guess even more in line with arifs since 3bigha is also just another way of saying an acre as suggested by the data given here & elsewhere ive
       Apr 03, 2005 @ 17:44 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17266. Re: DE-L Condo Tripoints
       It seems to be just as you say, the way I read the German version of the treaty that revised the old one. I was suprised to learn that this condo has existed
       Apr 04, 2005 @ 02:13 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
17267. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: DE-L Condo Tripoints
       Does this condo have an official name (in German or French)? Or may be two, since there are two parts? Rolf ... From: L. A. Nadybal
       Apr 04, 2005 @ 04:50 - Rolf Palmberg LI ("Rolf Palmberg LI" <rpalmber@...>)
17268. Homelands in South Africa
       http://www.scafrica.com/images/SA-All.jpg Does anyone know about the todays status of the homelands in South Africa? Do they still exist? Regards, Chris
       Apr 04, 2005 @ 07:47 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
17269. search for old message - border bar in US
       Hi to all, we had once the info about a bar, where you had to buy your drink on one site of the border, cross the border inside the bar to drink it in the
       Apr 04, 2005 @ 08:03 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
17270. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Homelands in South Africa
       No, gone with apartheid. Jesper ... http://www.scafrica.com/images/SA-All.jpg
       Apr 04, 2005 @ 08:08 - jesniel@image.dk (jesniel@...)
17271. Tin Bigha redux
       ... You misunderstand Prof. Elahi s article. 1952 was the date of the first proposals for exchange of enclaves. It was only post 1971 that the Berubari affair
       Apr 04, 2005 @ 10:42 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
17272. on the road to sussex etc
       jc & i are headed for the sussex octagon as soon as i post this & should thus be arriving there in a couple of hours or so in case anyone wants to rendezvous
       Apr 04, 2005 @ 11:35 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17273. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tin Bigha redux
       wait i think you may have misunderstood too the acre was envisioned & mentioned if not from 1952 then from the late 1950s at the latest ...
       Apr 04, 2005 @ 11:38 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17274. Re: [BoundaryPoint] search for old message - border bar in US
       Yes. Go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/12140 . Contact me off the group if you need any more information. Lowell G. McManus Leesville,
       Apr 04, 2005 @ 14:55 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17275. sussex nj
       this message gratefully dedicated to all who have come before on this topic especially mike & kevin & doc jc & i visited the northeast & southwest & north
       Apr 04, 2005 @ 17:35 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17276. Re: DE-L Condo Tripoints
       ... between ... i dont know what to make of that it seems to me the condo must grow & shrink with the river & unless a dry spot is an island rather than
       Apr 04, 2005 @ 17:46 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17277. Destination for next GEBE :)
       Here s a picture presenting a great challenge for bordertrailers: a CHCZPL tripoint. Maybe it would be a target for summer trip? :))) ... Startuj z INTERIA.PL!
       Apr 04, 2005 @ 19:33 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@interia.pl>)
17278. Sikkim settled
       http://www.newkerala.com/news-daily/news/features.php?action=fullnews&id=92696
       Apr 04, 2005 @ 20:55 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
17279. pennington nj
       well we just made 3 equally elusive tries for a 1687 ejwj rock along the old province line tho jc did spot a very nice 1971 monument on the roadside
       Apr 04, 2005 @ 23:39 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17280. new castle de
       made a third & finally successful foto try & it is a monumental beauty of the missing letitia penn stone on depa most recently muffed in message 12253 early
       Apr 05, 2005 @ 16:12 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17281. RE: [BoundaryPoint] new castle de
       & the ladies were xeroxing their hearts out there for us this morning including a replacement for my lost perry article etc etc etc i couldnt quite bring
       Apr 05, 2005 @ 16:28 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
17282. General Suvorov in Switzerland
       Thanks L.A.Nadybal....The USA ... sovereign. I do agree with your foregoing statement(made in reply to my query about the american acre at Runnymeade)... and
       Apr 05, 2005 @ 17:23 - raedwulf16 ("raedwulf16" <raedwulf16@...>)
17283. Tin Bigha redux
       ... You mean the earliest. but no, the acre was not even a glint in Nehru s eye then. The post 1947 proposals were always for full exchange of enclaves. This
       Apr 05, 2005 @ 23:17 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
17284. Re: [BoundaryPoint] General Suvorov in Switzerland
       At http://www.abmc.gov/ar03-39.htm , you will find a list of the 24 cemeteries maintained on foreign soil by the American Battle Monuments Commission. They
       Apr 06, 2005 @ 05:25 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17285. washington dc re Tin Bigha redux
       hahahaha well i realize you might bury us all in the gory details & there may well be some confusion &or disagreement about when the original acre mentioned by
       Apr 06, 2005 @ 14:43 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17286. washington dc still RE: [BoundaryPoint] new castle de etc
       Flynn, Kevin wrote:& the ladies were xeroxing their hearts out there for us this morning including a replacement for my lost
       Apr 06, 2005 @ 20:25 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17287. First expedition for the year
       A quick DEDK with Peter, Hans Peter and a potential new freak called Steen. Targets are both stretches of each side the Møllehus/Aventoft crossing, the
       Apr 06, 2005 @ 20:31 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
17288. Re: [BoundaryPoint] First expedition for the year
       Tomorrow 7 April offcourse. One month before GSEEBE. Jesper ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 10:31 PM
       Apr 06, 2005 @ 20:32 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
17289. Re: Homelands in South Africa
       No, but I believe one can still use their postage stamps to mail letters from anywhere in South Africa. There was once a cut off date, which got extended and
       Apr 07, 2005 @ 01:43 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
17290. Re: General Suvorov in Switzerland
       And I believe the Barro Colorado island in Panama is also U.S. property - it s presently administered by the Smithsonian Institution. There is also a small
       Apr 07, 2005 @ 01:48 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
17291. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: General Suvorov in Switzerland
       The Corozal American Cemetery and Memorial in Panamá is listed among those at the link that I gave below. The cemetery s own web page is at
       Apr 07, 2005 @ 02:14 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17292. Re: [BoundaryPoint] U.S. External Territories list
       Hello, it is a very nice thread this one. I would like to know which are ALL the External Territories of USA, I know only few far islands in Pacific Ocean and
       Apr 07, 2005 @ 04:16 - fabio ("fabio" <fabiov@...>)
17293. library of congress
       the 1934 denj special masters report i just found in the supreme court library refers to a l905 denj pact with maps i am now seeking here across the street
       Apr 07, 2005 @ 15:07 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17294. while waiting for my personal researcher to find my stuff
       subject to interruption let me just add some miscellaneous highlights first that i xeroxed the entire 90 pages of the special masters report since it was so
       Apr 07, 2005 @ 15:25 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17295. Re: [BoundaryPoint] U.S. External Territories list
       The territory of the United States consists of: 1. the 50 states of the Union 2. the District of Columbia 3. one Incorporated Territory: Palmyra American law
       Apr 07, 2005 @ 16:05 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17296. Re: [BoundaryPoint] U.S. External Territories list
       Thanks a lot Lowell, everything is clear now! Bye Fabio ... From: Lowell G. McManus To: Sent:
       Apr 07, 2005 @ 16:09 - fabio ("fabio" <fabiov@...>)
17297. library of congress
       still waiting for my researchers re the denj arc no maps have yet been found associated with the 1905 denj compact that the special master based his
       Apr 07, 2005 @ 16:57 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17298. Re: [BoundaryPoint] U.S. External Territories list
       ... I should correct this. What I meant was that there are no remaining disputed island possessions (such as the former guano islands), apart from any that
       Apr 07, 2005 @ 17:03 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17299. Re: [BoundaryPoint] library of congress
       Good work! If you should strike out on the 1905 DENJ compact maps at the Library of Congress, perhaps they can be found in the state archives at Dover or
       Apr 07, 2005 @ 17:24 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17300. INPK buses roll despite terror attacks
       http://tinyurl.com/49qqe
       Apr 07, 2005 @ 17:41 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17301. Re: library of congress
       yes but i am not even sure any more that the maps are in the 1905 compact they could be in the 1907 etc etc but meanwhile my ongoing play & joyride have
       Apr 07, 2005 @ 19:21 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17302. & now the adams building for the trifecta
       ok it looks like they may have the hodgkins report here in the adams building i mean for the ghost arc rock positions we will know in half an hour while i
       Apr 07, 2005 @ 20:32 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17303. back at the national archives
       rereading the special masters report last night i found pointed reference to 3 particular defense exhibits of usgs maps produced subsequent to the 1905 denj
       Apr 08, 2005 @ 16:51 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17304. signing off from dc
       one last scouring of the denj special masters report & referenced map exhibits has yielded nothing further & thus completes my careful review of all the
       Apr 08, 2005 @ 20:06 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17305. Re: DE-L Condo Tripoints
       Yeah, but I would expect the winner to do exactly what happened after WW II in Versailles - we ain t gonna share the river with you, anymore . LN also about
       Apr 09, 2005 @ 03:31 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
17306. Re: U.S. External Territories list
       Fabio, how many years ago did you see a big American airport and where was it? To my knowledge, there are no U.S. bases in foreign countries anymore that are
       Apr 09, 2005 @ 03:40 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
17307. yikes winchester va & another half try for van
       while preparing to leave dc yesterday eastward & northward i added to the previously mentioned 5 point itinerary a point on demd near sharptown md a bit
       Apr 09, 2005 @ 16:07 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17308. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: U.S. External Territories list
       Hello Len, I went in 2001 to make a trip, by private bus, from Marrakesh to some interesting towns of Morocco. The tour was through Fes, Meknes, Rabat and
       Apr 10, 2005 @ 11:58 - fabio ("fabio" <fabiov@...>)
17309. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: U.S. External Territories list
       What you saw might have been the former US Air Force operation at Sidi Slimane Air Base, Morocco during the 1950 s and 1960 s. Read about it at
       Apr 11, 2005 @ 00:12 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17310. Probe Faults System for Monitoring U.S. Borders
       Probe Faults System for Monitoring U.S. Borders By John Mintz Washington Post Staff Writer Monday, April 11, 2005; Page A01 A critical network of cameras and
       Apr 11, 2005 @ 13:02 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <w1wh@...>)
17311. FW: [roadgeek] Online maps of Mexican Municipios?
       BP folks, Don t meant to cross lists here, but a guy from another list I am on is requesting information that some of you might be able to help him with. I m
       Apr 11, 2005 @ 14:41 - Brendan ("Brendan" <pit.hokie@...>)
17312. Re: [BoundaryPoint] FW: [roadgeek] Online maps of Mexican Municipios?
       ... He might try contacting the folks at BiciMapas: http://www.bicimapas.com.mx/ to see if they have such information, or know where it can be obtained. --
       Apr 11, 2005 @ 14:54 - Dave Patton [DCP] ("Dave Patton [DCP]" <dpatton@...>)
17313. india & the penns & the indians are declared the winners
       http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4433159.stm with a pic of the twice repainted kashmir border bridge etc also tho i never did reach the nanticoke river at
       Apr 11, 2005 @ 15:07 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17314. Re: U.S. External Territories list
       this of course is the conventional list found in standard reference sources but in reality the list of actually external sovereign territories of the usa is
       Apr 11, 2005 @ 19:47 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17315. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: U.S. External Territories list
       Interesting. However, I should point out that Louisiana and Washington have subsequently been proven to be contiguous after all--the Chandeleur Islands and
       Apr 11, 2005 @ 20:23 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17316. Re: U.S. External Territories list
       interesting tho i too should point out for whomever is interested in pointing things out that i have already pointed out once today that the original crude try
       Apr 11, 2005 @ 21:03 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17317. Re: [BoundaryPoint] FW: [roadgeek] Online maps of Mexican Municipios?
       The Mexican federal constitution requires the states to organize themselves into municipios as the sole unit of local government. As you have gathered, they
       Apr 11, 2005 @ 21:46 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17318. oops florabama bar must rise again literally but mullet toss goes on
       http://www.wbir.com/liveatfive/laf.aspx?storyid=24828
       Apr 11, 2005 @ 21:48 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17319. Re: FW: [roadgeek] Online maps of Mexican Municipios?
       ... on is requesting information ... Hi! I m actually the guy he s referring to. I m actually an occasional lurker over here on this group. I ll take a
       Apr 11, 2005 @ 21:54 - adamnvillani ("adamnvillani" <avillani@...>)
17320. Re: FW: [roadgeek] Online maps of Mexican Municipios?
       ... Interesting... so the pueblos and ejidos and such don t have their own governments? ... infrastructure maps of each of the 31 states and the Distrito
       Apr 11, 2005 @ 22:06 - adamnvillani ("adamnvillani" <avillani@...>)
17321. Re: U.S. External Territories list
       ... So how did Palmyra become an Incorporated Territory, when none of the other various Pacific islands did? Also I think some of the dispute on this group as
       Apr 11, 2005 @ 22:23 - adamnvillani ("adamnvillani" <avillani@...>)
17322. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: U.S. External Territories list
       I agree. I wasn t disparaging your four-year-old work. My concern was for Fabio or anyone else who might possibly use some help in the updating and
       Apr 11, 2005 @ 22:29 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17323. Re: U.S. External Territories list
       thanx tho you know my inputs here are all play & never work nor do i care when they are disparaged but do feel free to make all the work & snippets you like of
       Apr 11, 2005 @ 22:48 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17324. Re: U.S. External Territories list
       http://www.answers.com/topic/incorporated-territory also i believe if you go back & read carefully you will see there was never any dispute neither about what
       Apr 11, 2005 @ 23:11 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17325. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: U.S. External Territories list
       On April 15, 1862, Captain Zenas Bent and Mr. Johnson Wilkinson, both subjects of the Kingdom of Hawaii, landed in Palmyra and took possession of the atoll
       Apr 11, 2005 @ 23:23 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17326. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: U.S. External Territories list
       I agree as to the two elucidations. It was a matter of whether external meant jurisdictionally or geographically. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana,
       Apr 11, 2005 @ 23:33 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17327. Re: FW: [roadgeek] Online maps of Mexican Municipios?
       -....... this may not get you the maps you need,,,, but will give you an accurate list of municipios in each estado http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico
       Apr 11, 2005 @ 23:42 - raedwulf16 ("raedwulf16" <raedwulf16@...>)
17328. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: FW: [roadgeek] Online maps of Mexican Municipios?
       A pueblo (or población) is just a populated place or settlement. An ejido is a parcel of agricultural land cooperatively-held by its residents. An ejido, as
       Apr 12, 2005 @ 00:17 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17329. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: FW: [roadgeek] Online maps of Mexican Municipios?
       Mexican municipios typically have functions such as: local streets and roads, the local police, some say in the public schools, and most other
       Apr 12, 2005 @ 00:27 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17330. Re: U.S. External Territories list
       true enough but it was also a matter of giving the whole answer to the question actually asked as it always is here at bp but especially was in this case which
       Apr 12, 2005 @ 05:11 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17331. Re: [BoundaryPoint] U.S. External Territories list
       Lowell, ... What was the reason for separating Palmyra from Hawaii at the time of statehood? Furthermore, assuming that the whole of Hawaii was previously an
       Apr 12, 2005 @ 09:35 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
17332. Re: U.S. External Territories list
       as mentioned in the link to message 17324 incorporation is not reversible which means once incorporated always incorporated even if uninhabited but in fact not
       Apr 12, 2005 @ 12:50 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17333. Re: U.S. External Territories list
       oops forgot your other question evidently palmyra became disorganized when hawaii became a state in 1959
       Apr 12, 2005 @ 13:10 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17334. photo & mystery of letitia penn arc tripoint stone
       still trying to learn more about the distinguished monument pictured in the first of these attachments it is the only known surviving tripoint marker on the
       Apr 12, 2005 @ 15:22 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
17335. Re: U.S. External Territories list
       ... Or perhaps one could say that upon statehood all of the organization of Hawaii just sort of left Palmyra behind. Palmyra was never organized separately
       Apr 12, 2005 @ 20:34 - adamnvillani ("adamnvillani" <avillani@...>)
17336. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: U.S. External Territories list
       An interesting counter claim to the U.S. ownership of Wake Island can be found at http://www.enenkio.org/wq.htm Doug Sheer ... From: aletheiak
       Apr 12, 2005 @ 21:34 - DougS78864@aol.com (DougS78864@...)
17337. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: U.S. External Territories list
       You are correct that Palmyra has never been organized separately from Hawaii (or anywhere else). There have been other examples in which less than a complete
       Apr 12, 2005 @ 22:49 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17338. dimples of the delaware 1876 reported missing by 1983
       the worlds only known pair of legally monumented river mouth corners are just about history after scarcely a century of lip service & their demise may have
       Apr 12, 2005 @ 23:34 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17339. SA/Vic boundary book
       A new book of interest to boundaryphiles: The Disputed Country, Australia s lost border, the bizarre story of Australia s first surveyed border and the
       Apr 12, 2005 @ 23:20 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
17340. pic of octagonal gazebo at center of sussex stop sign boundary
       attached is a photo of the likely core & model of the entire construction being visited by its discoveress against a backdrop of the tri state actors theatre
       Apr 13, 2005 @ 01:04 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
17341. 2nd of this years 4 bp augural days was quietly a capital success
       visiting us almost unnoticed last friday april 8 the second of the years 4 possible bp augural days was nevertheless sighted upon finer crosshairs than even
       Apr 13, 2005 @ 16:05 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17342. yikes another resident expert bites the dust
       just got the callback from the delaware circle boundary expert emeritus in officio at the old new castle county court house museum who admitted he already has
       Apr 13, 2005 @ 20:23 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17343. Mismanagement, corruption charged at US IBWC
       A report by the Inspector General of the US Department of State suggests gross mismanagement and corruption at the US Section of the International Boundary and
       Apr 13, 2005 @ 21:03 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17344. several truly great sussex red herrings
       before reluctantly concluding that at least several if not all 8 vertices of the sussex octagon were probably & are now certainly unmonumented in any
       Apr 13, 2005 @ 22:16 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
17345. RE: [BoundaryPoint] several truly great sussex red herrings
       A truck hand brake? Only in Jersey. Perhaps it marks Jimmy Hoffa s final resting place.
       Apr 13, 2005 @ 22:36 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
17346. RE: [BoundaryPoint] several truly great sussex red herrings
       nahh dat was eass joisey but dis here is wess joisey & wasnt you de one who aksed http://www.answers.com/topic/east-jersey but anyway the attached 20th century
       Apr 13, 2005 @ 23:10 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
17347. can you find 9 counties that have more than 1 tristate point
       given that there are about 3143 counties etc in the usa but only about 62 tristate points the overwhelming majority of counties must be devoid of tristate
       Apr 14, 2005 @ 03:52 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17348. Re: [BoundaryPoint] U.S. External Territories list
       ... After laborious digging, I have found the explanation in the words of a Senator in a government report. I will write it up at length for you tomorrow
       Apr 14, 2005 @ 05:19 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17349. Re: can you find 9 counties that have more than 1 tristate point
       SPOILERS! For all my attempts here, I ll separate my guesses into what I can think of Top of My Head vs. After Consulting a Reference. ... about 62 tristate
       Apr 14, 2005 @ 07:17 - adamnvillani ("adamnvillani" <avillani@...>)
17350. [BoundaryPoint] British External Terrritories and French ones!
       Thanks everyody for the detailed and useful information on U.S. External Territories. It would be nice to discover if and which are the DISPUTED islands
       Apr 14, 2005 @ 10:14 - fabio ("fabio" <fabiov@...>)
17351. Re: [BoundaryPoint] British External Terrritories and French ones!
       Fabio, ... There are two categories of external territory - British Crown Dependency and British Overseas Territory. The Crown Dependencies are the Bailiwick
       Apr 14, 2005 @ 12:42 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
17352. Re: [BoundaryPoint] British External Terrritories and French ones!
       ... With respect to the French External territories, there are more or less three types - Overseas Departments (Départements d outre-mer), Territorial
       Apr 14, 2005 @ 13:16 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
17353. Re: British External Terrritories and French ones!
       ... you are welcome fabio most of our apparent erudition comes rather cheaply tho since many standard reference sources answer all such questions in the
       Apr 14, 2005 @ 14:09 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17354. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: can you find 9 counties that have more than 1 tristate point
       nicely done both tomh & acar & you must have meant to say all 3 kymotn tripoints & yes azcanv is unmarked tho it does have 6 witness rocks sooo best i can tell
       Apr 14, 2005 @ 14:10 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17355. usa ..canada disputes
       these will be helpful in regard to disputes between canada and the usa http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_areas_dispute d_by_the_United_States _and_Canada
       Apr 14, 2005 @ 14:19 - raedwulf16 ("raedwulf16" <raedwulf16@...>)
17356. Islands in dispute between USA and others
       ... The CIA World Factbook lists: 1. Machias Seal Island and North Rock are disputed with Canada as part of maritime boundary disputes over the waters around
       Apr 14, 2005 @ 14:54 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17357. Re: [BoundaryPoint] British External Terrritories and French ones!
       ... The CIA Factbook is a fairly decent reference, but it does contain inaccuracies and omissions. For example, it makes no mention of any of the national
       Apr 14, 2005 @ 15:04 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
17358. Japanese cross prefectural consolidation
       On Feb. 13, 2005 the first changes in Japanese prefectural boundaries in over 40 years took place. Yamaguchi-mura (village) was detached from Nagano
       Apr 14, 2005 @ 15:43 - Henry Hirose ("Henry Hirose" <silentcity@...>)
17359. AW: [BoundaryPoint] British External Terrritories and French ones!
       Plus: it lists international conflicts that exist only in the fantasy of some and are of historical interest: Olivenza - between Portugal and Spain. Wolfgang
       Apr 14, 2005 @ 16:18 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
17360. capitals or administrative centers for small places
       I have noticed that the CIA and other compilers of geographical knowledge often dodge the bullit when it comes to giving the names of the capitals of smaller
       Apr 14, 2005 @ 16:57 - raedwulf16 ("raedwulf16" <raedwulf16@...>)
17361. Re: [BoundaryPoint] U.S. External Territories list
       As we have already seen, Palmyra had been part of the Kingdom, Republic, and Territory of Hawaii, but the Hawaii Statehood Act of 1959 specifically excluded it
       Apr 14, 2005 @ 19:47 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17362. palmyra :a brief history "excerpted from wikipedia.com"
       History Palmyra was first sighted in 1798 by American sea captain, Edmund Fanning of Stonington, Connecticut, while his ship the Betsy was in transit to Asia,
       Apr 14, 2005 @ 22:36 - raedwulf16 ("raedwulf16" <raedwulf16@...>)
17363. Re: [BoundaryPoint] capitals or administrative centers for small places
       I think that the CIA s reasons for giving the capitals of the Marshall Islands, the Northern Marianas, and American Samoa as they do is because those are the
       Apr 14, 2005 @ 22:48 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17364. yesss fresh multipointing try today
       just made half a dozen approaches from all different directions but without even getting very close at all yet to my objective which was & still is the
       Apr 15, 2005 @ 01:37 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
17365. Re: British External Terrritories and French ones!
       Interesting list - We could find the definitive lists for all these countries in the UPU guides to world post offices, but they charge a lot of money for it.
       Apr 15, 2005 @ 02:36 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
17366. Re: British External Terrritories and French ones!
       That was about the nicest way I ve ever seen anyone tell someone else to do their own looking up . That is not meant sarcastically or to be criticism. We
       Apr 15, 2005 @ 02:41 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
17367. Re: capitals or administrative centers for small places
       Oooh, you touched on post offices - now you re in my bailiwick. The CIA doesn t mention these because the post offices in the Marshalls, Palau, and the other
       Apr 15, 2005 @ 02:51 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
17368. Re: [BoundaryPoint] British External Terrritories and French ones!
       Hi, I m new to this group. Here s my own list of US territories: U.S. Insular Areas: 1. American Samoa (Pago Pago) 2. Baker Island and Howland Island 3.
       Apr 15, 2005 @ 04:41 - Seÿffffe1n O'Connell (=?iso-8859-1?q?Se=FFffffe1n=20O'Connell?= <gleannmaghair@...>)
17369. Re: [BoundaryPoint] British External Terrritories and French ones!
       Len, ... As far as I know, the Falklands no longer has any dependencies. South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands were formerly administered as Falklands
       Apr 15, 2005 @ 07:38 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
17370. Re: [BoundaryPoint] British External Territories and French ones!
       ... There are officially a single territory, although the three main islands are separated by hundreds of miles of ocean. ... Rockall is not a territory, but
       Apr 15, 2005 @ 07:57 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
17371. Re: [BoundaryPoint] External Terrritories and Rose island stamps and other phantoms
       Thanks Sean and all the others kind guys who answered to my questions! I am happy to have found a great and live group with kind people. Just to put on the
       Apr 15, 2005 @ 09:47 - fabio ("fabio" <fabiov@...>)
17372. AW: [BoundaryPoint] British External Territories and French ones!
       Rockall: I thought it had been made part of Inverness-shire, instead. Wolfgang ... Von: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com]Im
       Apr 15, 2005 @ 10:27 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
17373. Re: AW: [BoundaryPoint] British External Territories and French ones!
       Wolfgang, ... That is a former county which no longer exists (at least from a local government point of view). Rockall was formerly part of Inverness-shire,
       Apr 15, 2005 @ 10:47 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
17374. AW: AW: [BoundaryPoint] British External Territories and French ones!
       Kevin: Good to know for me, should I ever reach that place... See http://www.therockalltimes.co.uk/rockall-ho/2005-team.html - you ll see me as part of the
       Apr 15, 2005 @ 12:41 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
17375. Re: AW: [BoundaryPoint] British External Territories and French ones!
       WOW Wolfgang, will you participate to the Rockall expedition? Look at the end of this Italian page: http://www.cifr.it/forum46.html you may see a postcard of
       Apr 15, 2005 @ 14:15 - fabio ("fabio" <fabiov@...>)
17376. Re: British External Terrritories and French ones!
       thanx len tho my actual point may have escaped in all this niceness which is not at all to tell anyone off of anything but rather to reinvite everyone on to
       Apr 15, 2005 @ 15:49 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17377. CNINNP fixed?
       http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=68186 http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/sikkim.jpg
       Apr 15, 2005 @ 18:44 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
17378. Re: CNINNP fixed?
       presumably you mean cninnpe rather than cninnpw so the answer is yes & no for it is evidently fixed only insofar as cnnp is concerned & is still unmarked even
       Apr 15, 2005 @ 21:35 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17379. Re: British External Territories and French ones!
       Wolfgang, ... Being an occasional reader of the Rockall Times, I had noticed that you joined the landing party. Good luck - I ve only been out as far as St
       Apr 15, 2005 @ 21:59 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
17380. Re: [BoundaryPoint] British External Territories and French ones!
       Hi Kevin, That s the kind of input that I wanted. Could you please send me a list of all 13 retained sites in Cyprus(which are in addition to the two SBAs)??
       Apr 16, 2005 @ 00:38 - Seÿffffe1n O'Connell (=?iso-8859-1?q?Se=FFffffe1n=20O'Connell?= <gleannmaghair@...>)
17381. Re: Japanese cross prefectural consolidation
       this remarkable location may be found on the border between prefectures 9 & 26 about a quarter of the way up from prefecture 1 to prefecture 43
       Apr 16, 2005 @ 01:34 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17382. Re: British External Terrritories and French ones!
       ... yikes but why is all that so unfortunate i would have thought having somewhere left to go & grow on ones quest would be a compound blessing in fact wouldnt
       Apr 16, 2005 @ 05:05 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17383. Re: Islands in dispute between USA and others
       ... & many other sources add variously tho i dont know what to believe 4 bajo nuevo bank aka petrel island or islands & 5 serranilla bank naming in both cases
       Apr 16, 2005 @ 05:20 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17384. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: capitals or administrative centers for small places
       Thanks, for the update, Len. You re obviously more current on the postal affairs of the three Freely Associated States (Marshalls, Micronesia, and Palau) than
       Apr 16, 2005 @ 05:28 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17385. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Islands in dispute between USA and others
       Serranilla Bank: “Colombia has not directly claimed Serranilla Bank but is on record as considering the bank a part of the Providence Archipelago in the
       Apr 16, 2005 @ 05:59 - Seÿffffe1n O'Connell (=?iso-8859-1?q?Se=FFffffe1n=20O'Connell?= <gleannmaghair@...>)
17386. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Islands in dispute between USA and others
       The questions of Bajo Nuevo and Serranilla Banks have been substantially resolved, especially as far as the USA is concerned. They were covered in the same
       Apr 16, 2005 @ 06:16 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17387. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Islands in dispute between USA and others
       well as i say i dont know but i do see martin mentions both of them here in 2001
       Apr 16, 2005 @ 13:13 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17388. more cricket diplomacy & bussing today toward a potential cninpk
       http://pakistantimes.net/2005/04/16/top.htm note while the cnin convergent of course also appears to be firming up now inpk is still by far the more
       Apr 16, 2005 @ 15:03 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17389. civilian mxus patrols gain surprising momentum & acceptance
       http://www.wpherald.com/North_America/storyview.php?StoryID=20050416-103527-3721r __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with
       Apr 16, 2005 @ 15:16 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17390. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Islands in dispute between USA and others
       No, I have not seen the treaty. I based my statement on two web sites that said that Serranilla and Bajo Nuevo were covered by the treaty along with the
       Apr 16, 2005 @ 16:35 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17391. Seranilla and Bajo Nuevo
       I have found old quotes on the web from former versions of the CIA World Factbook and the Office of Insular Affairs web site that contrast with the current
       Apr 16, 2005 @ 18:09 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17392. Re: [BoundaryPoint] British External Territories and French ones!
       ... See message 13408 for a listing... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/13048 Regards, Kevin Meynell
       Apr 16, 2005 @ 19:11 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
17393. Re: Islands in dispute between USA and others
       ... yikes & on the basis of such thin fare as this you had concluded for us an especially substantial resolution & even risked your reputation as a know it all
       Apr 16, 2005 @ 19:14 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17394. postal far offering is a sign i ref for a flat sop Re: capitals etc
       ... hahahahaha ahh such exquisite posturing over whatt but here have some more stamps with your cancellations hahaha & how about some perforations too or a
       Apr 16, 2005 @ 19:20 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17395. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Islands in dispute between USA and others
       ... Before receiving your question above, I have just sent an e-mail inquiry to Nikolau Pula, Director of the Office of Insular affairs. After setting out the
       Apr 16, 2005 @ 20:01 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17396. Re: Islands in dispute between USA and others
       good thinking since why bother bush when this may suffice to settle it & will be fun in any case as i think we may well have stumbled on at least 1
       Apr 16, 2005 @ 20:59 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17397. 7 rabbi cricket exegesis from kashmir
       http://www.greaterkashmir.com/full_story.asp?ItemID=3188&cat=11 & other fresh tea leaves du jour http://www.timesofoman.com/newsdetails.asp?newsid=14119
       Apr 16, 2005 @ 23:01 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17398. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Islands in dispute between USA and others
       Here s an interesting paper about the Machias Seal Island dispute: http://www.siue.edu/GEOGRAPHY/ONLINE/Schmidt.htm Seán O Connell ... good thinking since why
       Apr 17, 2005 @ 01:47 - Seÿffffe1n O'Connell (=?iso-8859-1?q?Se=FFffffe1n=20O'Connell?= <gleannmaghair@...>)
17399. Re: [BoundaryPoint] British External Territories and French ones!
       Thanks Kevin. Best, Sean ... sites in Cyprus(which ... See message 13408 for a listing... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/13048 Regards,
       Apr 17, 2005 @ 01:50 - Seÿffffe1n O'Connell (=?iso-8859-1?q?Se=FFffffe1n=20O'Connell?= <gleannmaghair@...>)
17400. Re: Japanese cross prefectural consolidation
       ... prefectures 9 & 26 ... http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/japan_divisions.j pg ... You are correct in this assumption. I double checked
       Apr 17, 2005 @ 01:55 - Henry Hirose ("Henry Hirose" <silentcity@...>)
17401. postal far offering is a sign i ref for a flat sop Re: capitals etc
       May the others forgive me... but... Too bad you ve chosen to stay ignorant on these scores. At least among your message s inconsequential verbiage you admit my
       Apr 17, 2005 @ 02:18 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
17402. Re: British External Territories and French ones!
       ... islands ... While this may now be legally true, administratively the two former dependencies are virtually on their own. Ascension and Tristan both have as
       Apr 17, 2005 @ 02:19 - Henry Hirose ("Henry Hirose" <silentcity@...>)
17403. Re: capitals or administrative centers for small places
       ... postal ... Micronesia, and Palau) ... their post ... any case, ... (that the CIA is ... names of the ... RE: Above. True, they were USPS, but the premise
       Apr 17, 2005 @ 02:41 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
17404. Re: Japanese cross prefectural consolidation
       ... ahh beauuuuty henry & some of these rocks look most ancient indeed even 8th century could be the oldest set of tripoint rocks in the world waiting for us
       Apr 17, 2005 @ 03:13 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17405. postal far offering is a sign i ref for a flat sop
       hahahahaha forgive him others for he knows not what he doos & len come on i am pleased & interested enough to personally reward your efforts with my fully
       Apr 17, 2005 @ 03:36 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17406. Re: Japanese cross prefectural consolidation
       & let me just take the opportunity to add that the location of this lovely first encounter with a japanese prefectural tripoint saitama tokyo yamanashi or
       Apr 17, 2005 @ 04:57 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17407. Re: [BoundaryPoint] British External Territories and French ones!
       ... It is certainly a curious arrangement, and no doubt done for administrative convenience because the same ship supplies all three islands. In the case of
       Apr 17, 2005 @ 09:20 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
17408. Re: British External Territories and French ones!
       ... former ... administrative ... the case ... (although ... the other ... While it used to be more true to say that RMS St. Helena served Tristan Da Cunha,
       Apr 17, 2005 @ 12:01 - Henry Hirose ("Henry Hirose" <silentcity@...>)
17409. egmwsh berkshire tripoint try resumes
       episode 2 of the complete runaround & standoff recently begun & reported in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/17364 started up with a
       Apr 17, 2005 @ 12:19 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17410. berkshire tripoint try instalment 3
       continuing from the beginning made in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/17364 & followed with
       Apr 17, 2005 @ 22:28 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17411. preliminary annotated punctoscopy of japan
       still based on inadequate maps & uncertain collection techniques & assuming the cia is wrong to indicate any maritime tripoints at all since national
       Apr 18, 2005 @ 02:48 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17412. Re: Japanese cross prefectural consolidation
       ... I need to make a correction. What i thought was a tripoint marker, the bottom pic, is yet another tirangulation point marker. So in all my searches, I
       Apr 18, 2005 @ 05:26 - Henry Hirose ("Henry Hirose" <silentcity@...>)
17413. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: French territorries
       Hi, First, different websites : The Ministry of the overseas where you can find some basic informations : http://www.outre-mer.gouv.fr/outremer/front
       Apr 15, 2005 @ 18:26 - Romain HODAPP ("Romain HODAPP" <romain_hodapp@...>)
17414. Re: [BoundaryPoint] French territorries
       Romain, ... As I understand it, all French territories get to vote in European elections, even if they are not actually part of the EU. Regards, Kevin Meynell
       Apr 18, 2005 @ 09:12 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
17415. somewhat corrected preliminary annotated punctoscopy of japan
       as satoya bites the dust how about nashya 26 nagano 38 shizuoka 47 yamanashi http://white.matsue-ct.ac.jp/home/fujii/mount/aino.html
       Apr 18, 2005 @ 12:03 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17416. Re: somewhat corrected preliminary annotated punctoscopy of japan
       ... This peak, Ainodake, is a bit off from the tripoint. See this map: http://map.yahoo.co.jp/pl? nl=35.38.28.631&el=138.13.18.526&la=1&fi=1&sc=5 Ainodake is
       Apr 18, 2005 @ 17:11 - Henry Hirose ("Henry Hirose" <silentcity@...>)
17417. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: somewhat corrected preliminary annotated punctoscopy of japan
       ... http://white.matsue-ct.ac.jp/home/fujii/mount/aino.html ... aha great thanx nice zoomable too & many new leads & thoughts here as well like what do you
       Apr 18, 2005 @ 19:34 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17418. egmosh is ours
       a stunning success class a on the heels of messages 17410 17409 17364 play by play summary follows returned to berkshire school this morning & proceeded
       Apr 18, 2005 @ 23:30 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
17419. Re: British External Territories and French ones!
       I think Ascension is seeking residents to build up a tax base now that the US NASA base closed. LN ... administrative ... case ... (although ... other ...
       Apr 19, 2005 @ 03:24 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
17420. Re: [BoundaryPoint] French territorries
       I really don t know ! This is just for Saint-Pierre-et-Miquelon (I have a friend who lives on these islands). For the DOM : they will vote, but for TOM, I
       Apr 18, 2005 @ 18:35 - Romain HODAPP ("Romain HODAPP" <romain_hodapp@...>)
17421. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: British External Territories and French ones!
       About St Helena. Do you know that there is a small french territory on this island : the Napoleon s house and the garden. It was given for present to France.
       Apr 18, 2005 @ 19:20 - Romain HODAPP ("Romain HODAPP" <romain_hodapp@...>)
17422. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: British External Territories and French ones!
       So it is an enclave !!! Not necessarily so, Romain. The French Republic also owns a small piece of land around the memorial commemorating Latour d Auvergne s
       Apr 19, 2005 @ 07:24 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
17423. mikuni additions to prefectural punctoscopy of japan
       cribbing from the zoomable map links provided by this site in vertical column 6 thanx to henry http://www.glin.jp/nam/mikuni.html it looks like as many as 17
       Apr 19, 2005 @ 07:25 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17424. Re: British External Territories and French ones!
       but is it really an enclave or just a piece of real estate owned by france
       Apr 19, 2005 @ 07:21 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17425. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: British External Territories and French ones!
       I m supposing you are right. I wrote it to see reactions on the group. May be more on this link : http://www.sainthelena.gov.sh/tourism/museums2.html I don t
       Apr 19, 2005 @ 08:21 - Romain HODAPP ("Romain HODAPP" <romain_hodapp@...>)
17426. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: British External Territories and French ones!
       http://geosciences.ou.edu/~bweaver/Ascension/longwood.htm this link too Romain
       Apr 19, 2005 @ 08:26 - Romain HODAPP ("Romain HODAPP" <romain_hodapp@...>)
17427. Re: British External Territories and French ones!
       reactions hahaha well then youve made your point by getting a rise out of our self styled provocateur himself hahaha but he must have fallen asleep perhaps
       Apr 19, 2005 @ 11:47 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17428. jpru ripe for settlement that could split kunashiri & or etorofu
       http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Japan/GD20Dh03.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search.
       Apr 19, 2005 @ 12:12 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17429. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: British External Territories and French ones!
       One for our multidimensional spiritualist-dude: A nice collection of historical tripoints and boundary markers of all sorts can be found in front of the
       Apr 19, 2005 @ 12:26 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
17430. us2armo3bamaoz etc renovated
       http://www.nwanews.com/story.php?paper=adg§ion=News&storyid=113953 red center cross marks one of the mentioned section corners
       Apr 19, 2005 @ 12:30 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17431. Re: British External Territories and French ones!
       hahaha thats the spirit but where is it
       Apr 19, 2005 @ 12:41 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17432. idmy sebatik reportedly demarcated by mangos & coconuts exclamation point
       http://www.dailyexpress.com.my/news.cfm?NewsID=33996 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000
       Apr 19, 2005 @ 12:45 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17433. fresh denj follies
       http://www.nj.com/columns/gloucester/jimsix/index.ssf?/base/columns-0/1113898517252080.xml but for the fishy ending which i would gladly replace a la la la la
       Apr 19, 2005 @ 14:15 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17434. azut dodge fleeing to caus while dreaming of azcotxut
       http://rockymountainnews.com/drmn/state/article/0,1299,DRMN_21_3710660,00.html http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/0418Polygamy18.html
       Apr 19, 2005 @ 14:15 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17435. btw the earthly omnipoint try is looking permanently elusive
       & even a small fraction of 1 percent of the way down toward the global universal point at the supposed center of the earth underpinning our entire worldly
       Apr 19, 2005 @ 16:11 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17436. eggrsh & maybe grnesh too
       hills to the east & bottoms to the west make approaching from north or south look best
       Apr 19, 2005 @ 17:07 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17437. eggrsh squared & grnesh cubed
       yess & yesss is the short of it & the medium is everyone performed class a euphorically at first & in the end ecstatically & the long form with complete box
       Apr 20, 2005 @ 01:58 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17438. us2ma3be4grnesh literally nailed
       & she fully deserves the long shorthand for giving me such a good runaround but frankly never resisted enough for me to even consider stopping & of course i
       Apr 20, 2005 @ 05:10 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17439. Re: British External Territories and French ones!
       ... understand better than me. I visited both places, Longwood and Napoleon s first tomb, and got brief local explanations. I think they were simply French
       Apr 20, 2005 @ 06:14 - Henry Hirose ("Henry Hirose" <silentcity@...>)
17440. Re: somewhat corrected preliminary annotated punctoscopy of japan
       ... nl=35.38.25.136&el=138.13.20.508&la=1&fi=1&sc=4 ... If you zoom out you will see that two of them are different order subdivisions. So this isn t a real
       Apr 20, 2005 @ 06:25 - Henry Hirose ("Henry Hirose" <silentcity@...>)
17441. Japanese provincial map
       I ve found a map of the old provinces of Japan: http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%94%BB%E5%83%8F:Japan_prov_map.png This should help anyone trying to construct
       Apr 20, 2005 @ 06:32 - Henry Hirose ("Henry Hirose" <silentcity@...>)
17442. enhanced preliminary annotated punctoscopy of japan
       thanx henry i would be almost nowhere without your help on all this ... well i see what you mean tho it is delicious for extreme try pointing ... sources. whew
       Apr 20, 2005 @ 13:21 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17443. 4th & 5th bumpshire tries possibly on tap for today
       next following east & north along the very short grne line comes grmone with the new element mo in this case standing for monterey & tho she sounds dirty she
       Apr 20, 2005 @ 14:11 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17444. berkshires now complete to the 5th power with pix attached
       & now yessss & yesssss grmone was an easy & good looking undressed rock once i pulled off her dirty pink headband erected in 1853 as i later learned by the
       Apr 20, 2005 @ 22:48 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
17445. tall monesa pic & a tall order for coming tries
       first let me just add the monesa pic to complete the first 5 for 5 all class a & remember in this case it is the pic & not the rock that is slouching so please
       Apr 21, 2005 @ 00:24 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
17446. interim report
       4 down & 2 to go with 2 hours of daylight left to go
       Apr 21, 2005 @ 21:35 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17447. sexipopper elusive but quintipopper class a
       short form yessssss yesssssss yessssssss but out of order yesssssssss yessssssssss & the last probably very close twice but not yet found indeed it has been
       Apr 22, 2005 @ 01:54 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
17448. highlights of sexipopper try continued
       oops fell asleep there myself but to continue & recap with benefit of morning light probably the most critical moment of the day yesterday occurred just where
       Apr 22, 2005 @ 14:08 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
17449. bear with me for conclusion of sexipopper try
       so anyway heres lelewa the bear not lelewa the tripoint attached & when i got too close to her before spotting the cub directly above us in the tree she
       Apr 22, 2005 @ 16:13 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
17450. tripointing royal solos on finose joyride
       http://www.helsinginsanomat.fi/english/article/1101979233706 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has
       Apr 22, 2005 @ 18:03 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17452. Winter program concluded - off to summer!
       In my highpointing program I have done this year, in chronological sequence, the highest points of Freistaat Flaschenhals , Madeira, the Sorbic country,
       Apr 23, 2005 @ 10:01 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
17453. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Winter program concluded - off to summer!
       thanxx very much indeed maestro both for voting with your feet & for these good wishes to ours having enjoyed some of both the hi & the tri pointing programs
       Apr 23, 2005 @ 14:04 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17454. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Winter program concluded - off to summer!
       !! And border pictures of course !! & bring us a fresh tripoint if you would & can
       Apr 23, 2005 @ 14:57 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
17455. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Winter program concluded - off to summer!
       You are absolutely right. Normally I do not conquer a mountain. The concept of collecting them, one by one, following a list, is bad enough in itself. It
       Apr 23, 2005 @ 15:55 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
17456. BGRO-BS
       Could last picture be terminus of BGRO going into the Black Sea? http://www.fototur.com/tours.php3?a1=666 Jesper
       Apr 23, 2005 @ 16:46 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
17457. Sonora and Tamaulipas
       I have found lists and maps of the Mexican municipios (counties) into which all estados(states) in Mexico are divided...however, I am having some difficulty
       Apr 23, 2005 @ 16:48 - raedwulf16 ("raedwulf16" <raedwulf16@...>)
17458. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Sonora and Tamaulipas
       The municipios of Tamaulipas bear the names of their seats (cabeceras). The addresses of the municipal presidencies are found at
       Apr 23, 2005 @ 17:49 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17459. Re: Sonora and Tamaulipas
       double barreled bulls eyes presumably speaking of which may i assume we have heard nothing at all yet from bush & company after a full week of consultations on
       Apr 23, 2005 @ 19:32 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17460. Re: BGRO-BS
       do you have a topo to check it against what besides the expression last resort gives you this notion
       Apr 23, 2005 @ 19:36 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17461. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: BGRO-BS
       Sorry. No topos. Was thinking of investing while buying maps for GSEEBE, but EUR25 was too much. Vama Veche is last RO village before BG, last resort and
       Apr 23, 2005 @ 19:52 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
17462. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Sonora and Tamaulipas
       ... It appears that they are still deep in consultations. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA
       Apr 23, 2005 @ 20:41 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17463. sexipopper aftermath
       in all the excitement yesterday i neglected to report a few extreme highlights in connection with the following rather understated culmination which i will now
       Apr 23, 2005 @ 21:53 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17464. Re: Sonora and Tamaulipas
       ... i think that may be a tribute to what a humdinger of a question it is that we have raised
       Apr 23, 2005 @ 21:55 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17465. Re: [BoundaryPoint] sexipopper aftermath
       ... I thought for a minute that you were talking about the bear, before I realized that you were talking about a tripoint rock. Lowell G. McManus Leesville,
       Apr 23, 2005 @ 22:20 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17466. Re: BGRO-BS
       good spotting i think you must be right & i wonder if this therefore makes it a multipoint by the laws of either or both of those countries as it would if it
       Apr 23, 2005 @ 22:26 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17467. lelewa to lelest to grlest full stop
       a comparison of the lee lenox washington triarea topo http://topozone.com/map.asp?z=18&n=4691730&e=645318&s=50&size=l&datum=nad83&layer=DRG25 with the lelewa
       Apr 24, 2005 @ 14:26 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
17468. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: BGRO-BS
       Personally I like to bag these border terminus points, too. On the expeditions we have already visited some: DEPL, LTRU, LTLV, EERU. DEDKw and DEDKe I have
       Apr 24, 2005 @ 15:01 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
17469. re program concluded etc
       thanx & from this some other distinctions arise for the hi & the multi to consider ... for the multi there may be no bad at all & indeed much fun & therefore
       Apr 24, 2005 @ 16:12 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17470. is this 1 out of 80 claim true
       http://www.greenleft.org.au/back/2005/624/624p2.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best
       Apr 24, 2005 @ 16:48 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17471. Re: BGRO-BS
       well i hadnt even looked into bulgaria or romania let alone confirmed any of the others youve also mentioned but if any of them follows the canadian model for
       Apr 24, 2005 @ 20:36 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17474. florabama mullets fly despite reversals
       http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8&scoring=d&q=%22state+line%22&sa=N&start=0 alflus in plain sight is ignored as usual
       Apr 25, 2005 @ 12:24 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17475. mxus2camxus becomes maquiladora tripoint as us2caus makee la dora now too
       http://www.newz.in/large35.asp?catid=25&number=6874 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best
       Apr 25, 2005 @ 12:45 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17476. Re: mxus2camxus becomes maquiladora tripoint as us2caus makee la dora now too
       hmm but doesnt this rather mean the trijunction of elmxus where the 12nm territorial seas of mexico & those of the usa meet everyones land & thus not really
       Apr 25, 2005 @ 13:07 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17477. cabeceras
       Muchas gracias a mi amigo Lowell...Thanks to you, I was able to find exactly what I needed to know..Just for info ..Most of the municipios of Sonora have the
       Apr 25, 2005 @ 15:32 - raedwulf16 ("raedwulf16" <raedwulf16@...>)
17478. yikes more quality bs on bug row but still no tripoint in sight
       http://www.eubusiness.com/afp/050425100201.kte528nc __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best
       Apr 25, 2005 @ 16:25 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17479. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: mxus2camxus becomes maquiladora tripoint as us2caus makee la dora now too
       I wondered that too. The Indian journalists who wrote the article wouldn t be expected to know the difference. Still, THE BOSTON GLOBE covers the story in
       Apr 25, 2005 @ 16:40 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17480. Re: mxus2camxus becomes maquiladora tripoint as us2caus makee la dora now too
       haha not me for i am satisfied that there is more than enough confusion there to go around already & that they will need to keep clear of anywhere they expect
       Apr 25, 2005 @ 17:26 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17481. Re: [BoundaryPoint] cabeceras
       De nada. Here is what I ve learned about Cajeme/Ciudad Obregón: The municipio was created in 1927. The following year, Álvaro Obregón, a Sonora native who
       Apr 25, 2005 @ 17:36 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17482. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: mxus2camxus becomes maquiladora tripoint as us2caus makee la dora now too
       I remember back before gambling boats were allowed to ply many American waterways, some foreign-flagged gambling ships tried to offer cruises to nowhere.
       Apr 25, 2005 @ 17:49 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17483. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: BGRO-BS
       I really don t care about territorial water in this connection. What I am counting (on my personal unscientific list) is the end of land borders. So how a
       Apr 25, 2005 @ 20:01 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
17484. all bologna & no tripoints
       http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/04/25/smuggled.bologna/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best
       Apr 25, 2005 @ 20:09 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17485. Re: BGRO-BS
       ... terminus is wet, like DEDKe, and even more yikes DENL. er could you rephrase the question
       Apr 25, 2005 @ 20:15 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17486. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: BGRO-BS
       I know the term end of land border is weak, especially when the end of the line is wet like a river or a bay. DEDKe is wet, but DENL is even more wet. Where
       Apr 25, 2005 @ 20:19 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
17487. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: BGRO-BS
       A pity we missed BENL during the GCEBE........ I personally scored that one and DENL Harry ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent:
       Apr 25, 2005 @ 20:53 - Harry ten Veen (Harry ten Veen <h.ten.veen@...>)
17488. [No Subject]
       Dette er en MMS besked den kan ikke besvares. Se beskeden
       Apr 25, 2005 @ 21:01 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
17489. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: BGRO-BS
       Harry, Where would you say DENL ends? Jesper ... From: Harry ten Veen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 10:53 PM Subject: Re:
       Apr 25, 2005 @ 21:13 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
17490. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: BGRO-BS
       I would say. There where the border on the mainland touches the seafront. So I don t count any islands. (like Sylt and Romo at DEDKw) Adn I do not count shores
       Apr 25, 2005 @ 21:18 - Harry ten Veen (Harry ten Veen <h.ten.veen@...>)
17491. Re: BGRO-BS
       ahhh ok now i see what you are really asking but first please understand that whether you or your collection considers a particular border to be a land border
       Apr 25, 2005 @ 21:23 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17492. Any of you boys did this?
       de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreil%C3%A4ndereck
       Apr 25, 2005 @ 21:42 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
17493. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Any of you boys did this?
       could have been the cdrwug boys http://allafrica.com/stories/200504251192.html ... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of
       Apr 25, 2005 @ 22:00 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17494. angediva revisited
       July 11, 2004 -Travesty appears to have been partially reversed The Travesty at Anjediva! UPDATE: July 11, 2004 From: godfrey gonsalves
       Apr 26, 2005 @ 14:34 - raedwulf16 ("raedwulf16" <raedwulf16@...>)
17495. French Properties on St Helena
       I received this from the French conservator of the French properties on St. Helena about their status: With reference to your message, I confirm the
       Apr 26, 2005 @ 23:37 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
17496. Caprivi - Did we resolve the quadpoint question?
       I cam across the geographer report from the State Department where he refers to there being a single point. Anyone interested? I ll paste the text here if
       Apr 26, 2005 @ 23:40 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
17497. Re: [BoundaryPoint] French Properties on St Helena
       wow, thats great, i found the following: http://www.sainthelena.gov.sh/tourism/museums2.html a map:
       Apr 27, 2005 @ 05:10 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
17498. anele hts etc Re: [BoundaryPoint] French Properties on St Helena
       ... http://www.sthelenatourism.com/downloads/map-sthelenaisland.jpg beautiful map chris can anyone identify anele hts the heights where napoleon is said to
       Apr 27, 2005 @ 14:05 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
17499. anele hts etc Re: [BoundaryPoint] French Properties on St Helena
       aha eureka for clearly the name of the lady should be lelnwa since that takes only 6 letters & goes nicely with helena too
       Apr 27, 2005 @ 14:23 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17500. another enhanced lelnwa diagram try
       hopefully attached this time is the corrected schematic from the border bible that will hopefully lead to the lee lenox washington tripoint on the 7th try this
       Apr 27, 2005 @ 14:59 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
17501. Re: Any of you boys did this?
       ... but a fresh report claims they never left their home in uganda http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L27644423.htm
       Apr 27, 2005 @ 18:46 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17502. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Caprivi - Did we resolve the quadpoint question?
       Len I am interested. Jesper ... From: L. A. Nadybal To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 1:40 AM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Caprivi
       Apr 27, 2005 @ 19:55 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
17503. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Caprivi - Did we resolve the quadpoint question?
       ibs030 zmzw 1964 ibs123 nazm 1972 ibs148 bwzw 1974 all mention it differently but the data in our african tripoints page are from brownlie 1979 who includes
       Apr 27, 2005 @ 21:09 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17504. Re: [BoundaryPoint] French Properties on St Helena
       Embassies do not have extraterritorial status. According to the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations (1961), what they do in fact enjoy is the
       Apr 28, 2005 @ 05:48 - Seÿffffe1n O'Connell (=?iso-8859-1?q?Se=FFffffe1n=20O'Connell?= <gleannmaghair@...>)
17505. Re: Swiss enclaves in Liechtenstein and Suvarov?
       Dear Lowell, thanks for pointing a mistake. The Suvorov monument was transferred under Russian sovereignty in order not to undermine the Swiss neutrality (and
       Apr 28, 2005 @ 09:07 - Evgeny Vinokurov ("Evgeny Vinokurov" <evgeny@...>)
17506. Stats on enclaves and exclaves
       Dear BP members, after being a passive reader of the forum for three years I want to join the club. I am working on enclaves and exclaves trying to come up
       Apr 28, 2005 @ 09:23 - Evgeny Vinokurov ("Evgeny Vinokurov" <evgeny@...>)
17507. RE: {spam?}SA(3.8)=> [BoundaryPoint] Stats on enclaves and exclaves
       unable to open your link ________________________________ From: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Evgeny
       Apr 28, 2005 @ 09:36 - Bill Burke ("Bill Burke" <billb@...>)
17508. Re: {spam?}SA(3.8)=> [BoundaryPoint] Stats on enclaves and exclaves
       sorry, try without the dot www.vinokurov.info/enclaves.htm then to the second file, Tables... Evgeny
       Apr 28, 2005 @ 10:13 - Evgeny Vinokurov ("Evgeny Vinokurov" <evgeny@...>)
17509. Re: {spam?}SA(3.8)=> [BoundaryPoint] Stats on enclaves and exclaves
       There was a little fault: only delete the . at the end. http://www.vinokurov.info/enclaves.htm regards, chris ... From: Bill Burke To:
       Apr 28, 2005 @ 10:29 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
17510. boundry monument
       How do I find the RI/MA/CN boundry monument?
       Apr 28, 2005 @ 13:16 - motorcyclebrothers ("motorcyclebrothers" <brianmcgann@...>)
17511. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Stats on enclaves and exclaves
       welcome evgeny we have been following & enjoying your quest since message 6179 & the clavers have generally been embedded here since message 661 nor would we
       Apr 28, 2005 @ 13:38 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17512. Re: [BoundaryPoint] boundry monument
       welcome brothers http://www.bjbsoftware.com/corners/pointdetail.php3?point=20 ... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of
       Apr 28, 2005 @ 13:41 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17513. Re: Stats on enclaves and exclaves
       Dear Evgeny, For Llívia, you can find all the stats about economics, population, social activities... at http://www.idescat.net/en/ Select your town and
       Apr 28, 2005 @ 15:11 - marcelmiquelcat ("marcelmiquelcat" <marcelmiquel@...>)
17514. Re: Stats on enclaves and exclaves
       Thanks! I do not know Spanish so I will not understand the thesis but the stats that you advised me to consult are OK.
       Apr 28, 2005 @ 15:33 - Evgeny Vinokurov ("Evgeny Vinokurov" <evgeny@...>)
17515. yikes aleggr elusive now too
       tho perfectly content to wait for may day the date ordained by the tree for my improved 7th try at lelnwa aka the former lelewa it was still hard for me to
       Apr 28, 2005 @ 20:40 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17516. eelvru & bylvru still technically elusive
       http://www.tass.ru/eng/level2.html?NewsID=1986116 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best
       Apr 28, 2005 @ 22:23 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17517. auidtle & auidtlw tries reportedly postponed 50 or 60 years
       http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=8345141 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam?
       Apr 29, 2005 @ 12:48 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17518. hoosiers in tears vote for dst but leave time zone border to feds
       clock tripointing in indiana will soon be history http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050429/NEWS02/504290498/1006/NEWS01
       Apr 29, 2005 @ 13:54 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17519. would moby trifinium be overplaying a dry point
       while scarcely able to wait for my personally designated return date with october mountain this sunday i of course couldnt help wondering in the meantime how
       Apr 30, 2005 @ 01:46 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17520. aged all at talladega
       even the florabamalike predecessor mullets were looking positively sedate in this purported time travel zone change of twilight zone proportions
       Apr 30, 2005 @ 13:22 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17521. Re: [BoundaryPoint] aged all at talladega
       How do I get directions to the MA/RI/CN border? ... From: aletheia kallos To: Sent: Saturday, April 30,
       Apr 30, 2005 @ 13:47 - Brian McGann ("Brian McGann" <brianmcgann@...>)
17522. Re: [BoundaryPoint] aged all at talladega
       hey brian some of your brothers were just here too apparently asking the same question but if you mean the massachusetts rhode island connecticut tristate
       Apr 30, 2005 @ 15:33 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17523. Re: French Properties on St Helena
       good point followed by a deafening silence for i am a little surprised our extraterritoriality mavens havent responded nor even gasped out loud yet for the
       Apr 30, 2005 @ 16:15 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17524. multibanger prospects looking up Re: Islands in dispute between USA and others
       hmm 2 weeks now & i still think it was a good idea you asked even if just to gauge the possible degree of bewilderment caused by the question & when i checked
       Apr 30, 2005 @ 20:50 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17525. Re: [BoundaryPoint] multibanger prospects looking up Re: Islands in dispute between USA and others
       ... From: aletheiak To: Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 3:50 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] multibanger
       Apr 30, 2005 @ 23:09 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17526. Old Insular Affairs verbiage unearthed!
       ... While browsing my hard drive today, I found that on April 20, 1998, I saved quite a lot of text from the Insular Affairs web site as it then existed! The
       Apr 30, 2005 @ 23:48 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17527. Re: [BoundaryPoint] aged all at talladega
       Thank you. Brian ... From: aletheia kallos To: Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 11:33 AM Subject: Re:
       Apr 30, 2005 @ 23:58 - Brian McGann ("Brian McGann" <brianmcgann@...>)
17528. multibanger prospects soar further Re: Old Insular Affairs verbiage unearthed!
       ... huh i dont think so in either case but what would the difference be but anyway do you still have your original letter to the oia from a couple of weeks ago
       May 01, 2005 @ 02:25 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17529. Re: [BoundaryPoint] multibanger prospects soar further Re: Old Insular Affairs verbiage unearthed!
       ... Yes, I do: ... From: Lowell G. McManus To: Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 2:46 PM Subject: Serranilla
       May 01, 2005 @ 02:55 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17530. Balkan Trip
       I plan to travel from Ljubljana, Zagreb, and the Dalmatian coast to Montenegro next month. I would like to discover,and visit/cross, new borders, enclaves
       May 01, 2005 @ 04:27 - Seÿffffe1n O'Connell (=?iso-8859-1?q?Se=FFffffe1n=20O'Connell?= <gleannmaghair@...>)
17531. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Balkan Trip
       the southerly tripoint twin of bosnia & croatia with serbia montenegro aka bacshrs is still virgin & lies only a few km off your intended route
       May 01, 2005 @ 11:59 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17532. Re: Balkan Trip
       however the second map has the countries mixed up so dont mind that ... client=public&X=2050000&Y=5225000&width=500&height=300&gride=&gridn=&srec=0
       May 01, 2005 @ 12:05 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17533. Re: [BoundaryPoint] multibanger prospects soar further Re: Old Insular Affairs verbiage unearthed!
       ok thanx how would the following be with you dear president bush may i invite your primary attention to the attached letter from my friend & your fellow
       May 01, 2005 @ 13:00 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17534. Re: [BoundaryPoint] multibanger prospects soar further Re: Old Insular Affairs verbiage unearthed!
       That s fine by me--except that I m not yet an adoptive Texan. I ve always resided in Louisiana. I plan to reside in Texas in the indeterminate future. Lowell
       May 01, 2005 @ 13:52 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17535. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: French Properties on St Helena
       aletheiak writes:
       May 01, 2005 @ 17:36 - Henry Hirose ("Henry Hirose" <silentcity@...>)
17536. Database of Japanese prefectural disputes
       I found a website, in Japanese, listing all existing cases of territorial disputes between Japanese prefectures.
       May 01, 2005 @ 17:48 - Henry Hirose ("Henry Hirose" <silentcity@...>)
17537. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Balkan Trip
       From: Seÿffffe1n O Connell ... I ve got some travel tips. Croatian wine makes good buys. They re good and high quality for their
       May 01, 2005 @ 18:09 - Henry Hirose ("Henry Hirose" <silentcity@...>)
17538. New physical demarcation of Syria-Iraq border
       It seems that the line in the sand that is the Syria-Iraqi border is now being physically marked with a berm by helpful American troops:
       May 01, 2005 @ 18:56 - sdrawkcabdom ("sdrawkcabdom" <sdrawkcab8@...>)
17539. yugoslav yomping
       Apart form the Bosnian corridor to the sea and the fragments section of Croatia that the corridor created, the formerly Italian enclave of Zara on the
       May 01, 2005 @ 23:10 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
17540. may day on october mountain etc
       the first attachment is a photo of me by jc as i appeared earlier today for my cosmic date with a tree & for an ensuing 7th try for lelnwa the lee lenox
       May 02, 2005 @ 01:26 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
17541. multibanger prospects soar further Re: Old Insular Affairs verbiage unearthed!
       ok thanx & i will of course be glad to remove the erroneous part
       May 02, 2005 @ 01:45 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17542. Re: French Properties on St Helena
       There is such a thing as extraterritoriality - Until 1990, there was a fence around a piece of property (I estimate about four to five acres/hectares), in
       May 02, 2005 @ 02:20 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
17543. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: French Properties on St Helena
       Very interesting! ...but what was the purpose of this American-hosted Soviet presence in Frankfurt? Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: L.
       May 02, 2005 @ 03:11 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17544. Re: French Properties on St Helena
       whatever this lovely parcel was it was a military emplacement from beginning to end & a superimposition of de facto reality upon & within a preexisting state
       May 02, 2005 @ 12:58 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17545. status of serranilla & bajo nuevo banks & their exclusive economic zone
       dear president bush may i invite your direct attention to the following recent letter from my friend lowell mcmanus to the office of insular affairs regarding
       May 02, 2005 @ 16:54 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17546. Re: Database of Japanese prefectural disputes
       ... interesting do you know if any might involve the location of a tripoint
       May 02, 2005 @ 17:15 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17547. Re: yugoslav yomping
       ... nice idea that bacs2cgrssp & a plausible candidate for next new world class tripoint as well bacgsp some day perhaps in fact i cant think of a likelier
       May 02, 2005 @ 18:09 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17548. minutemen multiplying & implying tripoint coverage now too
       http://www.insightmag.com/news/2005/05/02/National/Mexico.Border.Watch.Expands-945875.shtml __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?
       May 02, 2005 @ 18:23 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17549. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: French Properties on St Helena
       Len is undoubtedly correct about what the sign said, but I agree with Mike that the word extraterritorial hardly fits--except perhaps in the sense that it
       May 02, 2005 @ 20:47 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17550. Re: French Properties on St Helena
       ... but territorial extraterritoriality if ever there was any was extinguished by the vienna treaty of 1961... WRONG. ...and you have no proof of the
       May 02, 2005 @ 22:42 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
17551. Re: French Properties on St Helena
       ... what specifically is wrong other than your standard truncation miscomprehension misapplication & obfuscation of what i actually said & meant & of course i
       May 03, 2005 @ 00:11 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17552. yikes solomonic ethnic cleansing sounds loverly
       heres some nonstandard english to savor if you ever do have a dispute http://www.solomonstarnews.com/drupal-4.4.1/?q=node/view/2336
       May 03, 2005 @ 00:32 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17553. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: French Properties on St Helena
       Len, Thanks for the great explanation of the purpose of the place--whatever it was or should have been called. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA
       May 03, 2005 @ 02:27 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17554. Re: French Properties on St Helena
       ... & of course the germans played no part in any of these militarily occupied locations for the simple reason that they were under military occupation the
       May 03, 2005 @ 03:44 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
17555. Re: French Properties on St Helena
       Welcome. It didn t really have a name - other than the Russian kaserne in Niederrad. When I was stationed in Frankfurt, we were told to not visit the place,
       May 03, 2005 @ 03:48 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
17556. Re: French Properties on St Helena
       well ok but knowing len to the extent that i do i would go so far as to agree that he may well be correct about what the sign said if that is all you really
       May 03, 2005 @ 04:07 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17557. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: French Properties on St Helena
       By whatever it was or should have been called, I was referring only to the name on the sign: Extraterritoriales Gebiet, which seems to have sparked some
       May 03, 2005 @ 05:18 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17558. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Database of Japanese prefectural disputes
       From: aletheiak ... territorial ... of ... I checked and there are no tripoints among the disputed areas. HH
       May 03, 2005 @ 11:17 - Henry Hirose ("Henry Hirose" <silentcity@...>)
17559. Re: French Properties on St Helena
       ... ok but can an area even be territorial in normal english without also being either redundant or confusing or just plain amusing let alone specially
       May 03, 2005 @ 15:23 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17560. cock a doodle doo is definitely for trypointers
       just had the good fortune to discover in my own home a comfortably readable copy of the above melville short story that you may recall i first caught wind &
       May 03, 2005 @ 16:05 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17561. caus buffalo shuffles droll scam prank
       http://www.wgrz.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=28221 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the
       May 03, 2005 @ 22:46 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17562. temporarily temporal enclaves...
       So are you saying it was a temporal enclave , that is, an enclave in time, and not just space. The surrounding lands moved chronologically forward, and it
       May 04, 2005 @ 00:58 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
17563. Solomon vacationing
       Anyone spot the incongruity of the article on ethnic cleansing next to this ad: Holiday in the Solomons Next holiday come to the Solomon Islands. Topical
       May 04, 2005 @ 01:07 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
17564. Re: Solomon vacationing
       just looks like a couple of tripoint markers to me
       May 04, 2005 @ 01:20 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17565. Re: temporarily temporal enclaves...
       yeah & i think the same freakin thing happened to the green zone today they just formed a whole new government around it
       May 04, 2005 @ 01:21 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17566. Lowell - Extraterritoriales Gebiet
       It isn t a redundant phrase - Extraterritorial means the same as it does in English - the es is only a grammatical suffix. Gebiet is not solely territory
       May 04, 2005 @ 02:49 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
17567. Re: French Properties on St Helena
       The sign was really so big because the German was repeated in English on the bottom half. ... ... only to the ... have sparked some ...
       May 04, 2005 @ 02:50 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
17568. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: yugoslav yomping
       Many thanks to all who provided me with useful Yugo travel tips. Before going to Yugoslavia (i.e. this coming Sunday), I will also be going to Malta for three
       May 04, 2005 @ 05:01 - Seÿffffe1n O'Connell (=?iso-8859-1?q?Se=FFffffe1n=20O'Connell?= <gleannmaghair@...>)
17569. yesss more semantic antics
       again in normal english usage there were of course the 4 substantive & specific occupation zones in germany namely the fr & gb & su & us sectors but to call an
       May 04, 2005 @ 14:54 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17570. Re: [BoundaryPoint] yesss more semantic antics
       not that risking unusual usages or new terms etc is a bad idea either so long as the user anticipates & accepts responsibility for any miscomprehension like i
       May 04, 2005 @ 15:53 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17571. maltipointing
       youre welcome & i was also excited for you to learn just now that malta is divided into 3 major parts or regions since that would theoretically mean you could
       May 04, 2005 @ 17:02 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17572. Re: [BoundaryPoint] maltipointing
       oops some or all of that may have been outdated info for it now appears there may be officially 6 or 7 districts & 31 localities
       May 04, 2005 @ 19:11 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17573. india & pakistan set to begin relaxing toward cninpk in 3 weeks
       meanwhile high above jammu & kashmir & the cricket pitch http://www.turks.us/article.php?story=2005050414184510
       May 04, 2005 @ 19:46 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17574. axworthy in ottawa & yamamoto in dc press on with djeret try
       as a questionable election approaches in ethiopia our old tripointing friends are busy again http://www.mysan.de/article96776.html in which among less
       May 04, 2005 @ 22:40 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17575. record breaking 7pop try is afoot today
       grmoty grlety & aleggr are up for retries http://www.berkshireweb.com/themap/index.html plus algrwe grstwe ristwe & lerist from scratch aiming in any case to
       May 05, 2005 @ 11:24 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17576. modest success but far from a record breaker
       aeeoooo in a word or in more detail here again but on a single map frame now since they are less than a mile & a half apart are grlety situated to the
       May 06, 2005 @ 00:35 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
17577. End of Occupation of Germany - 50th Anniv. today
       The German post office issued a commemorative stamp today (5.5.05) honoring the Treaties of Paris which ended the allied occupation statute and returned
       May 06, 2005 @ 03:12 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
17578. Maine passes Indiana at boundary of time warp?
       As Indiana exits the time warp, it just might meet Maine going in the opposite direction: http://www.wlbz2.com/newscenter/article.asp?id=22428 Lowell G.
       May 06, 2005 @ 03:43 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17579. Re: [BoundaryPoint] End of Occupation of Germany - 50th Anniv. today
       Franco, la Germania ha emesso un francobollo commemorativo sul tarttato di Parigi per il 50 anniversario della fine dell occupazione alleata (5 maggio 1955).
       May 06, 2005 @ 04:43 - fabio ("fabio" <fabiov@fastwebnet.it>)
17580. Herings Eight
       Herings Eight is on the brink for a new Great Border Expedition. By tomorrow all eight have arrived in Vienna for the Great Eastern European Border Expedition
       May 06, 2005 @ 08:57 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
17581. Re: Herings Eight
       ... Expedition covering 14 countries in Balkan. ... yesss our truly multi great 8 the 7 he bees & a she bee geebe i presume are back in heringtown again &
       May 06, 2005 @ 15:06 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17582. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Herings Eight
       It s a real win for all. I m already there mentally. ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses.
       May 06, 2005 @ 15:57 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
17583. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Herings Eight
       It s a GSEEBE off course: Great Southern European Border Expedition. 15 countries: AT, SK. HU, RO, CS, RO, BG, GR, TR, MK, AL, HR, BA, SI and IT. Jesper ...
       May 06, 2005 @ 16:09 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
17584. Re: Herings Eight
       hey my long lost alter eguy what do you get if you cross a border freak with a litter bug http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=25&sid=515116
       May 06, 2005 @ 16:33 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17585. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Herings Eight
       I have arrived in Vienna. I flew over many borders on my way from Vancouver. But the only stamp I received in my passport was at the airport. Welcome to
       May 06, 2005 @ 19:09 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
17586. Re: Herings Eight
       thats profound anne ive esoterised a desire to see vienna
       May 07, 2005 @ 01:49 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17587. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Herings Eight
       no stamps for me yet I m in Paris CDG I looked for border between terminal 2B and 2D but there is space between them on to VIE in 1.5 hours Mike ... Yahoo!
       May 07, 2005 @ 05:54 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
17588. algrmk bacshrs bgcsmk bgcsro bggrtr
       ok it sounds like you are all really closing in now on the borders & stamps & just to set the stage for what is to come i believe the last time the full gseebe
       May 07, 2005 @ 12:23 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17589. GSEEBE participants arrive in Vienna
       Saturday May 7th: The group has arrived in Vienna. First order of business: food! _DSC0762
       May 07, 2005 @ 12:58 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
17590. Re: [BoundaryPoint] GSEEBE participants arrive in Vienna
       well that exoterises those desires very nicely indeed thank you doug & belles appetites & i figure you must be the 7th party holding the camera there but
       May 07, 2005 @ 14:12 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17591. [No Subject]
       Dette er en MMS besked den kan ikke besvares. Se beskeden
       May 08, 2005 @ 10:17 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
17593. Re: Lowell - Extraterritoriales Gebiet
       Hello, Funnily enough, the word extraterritorial does not really exist in German, the correct word would be exterritorial , which translates as the English
       May 09, 2005 @ 12:34 - Anton Zeilinger ("Anton Zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
17594. trying next for a score of 20 & a semblance of order
       the next 4 tripoint tries in this neck of the woods all of which are planned ambitiously for today monday will undertake to bring the total berkshire try score
       May 09, 2005 @ 13:13 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17595. Re: Lowell - Extraterritoriales Gebiet
       if it doesnt exist then how can you presume to translate it hahahahaha & i would buy extraterritorial waters for example in english but only if territorial
       May 09, 2005 @ 13:24 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17596. Re: Lowell - Extraterritoriales Gebiet
       Hi, of course I know that my message would attract some rambling from ... Haha, extremely hilarious. I ve had better laughs - but then again, I m probably not
       May 09, 2005 @ 14:50 - Anton Zeilinger ("Anton Zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
17605. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Lowell - Extraterritoriales Gebiet
       Hello Anton, when you say: Sometimes various BP members wonder why we lose members and why old members seem to disappear. I venture to say that one reason may
       May 09, 2005 @ 20:33 - fabio ("fabio" <fabiov@...>)
17606. Re: [BoundaryPoint] (unknown)
       Why do you send the same picture 12 times? Regards, Chris ... From: Jesper Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 8:27 PM
       May 09, 2005 @ 20:29 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@gmx.de>)
17607. Re: [BoundaryPoint] (unknown)
       obviously just a mistake & oversight by someone probably other than jesper who i imagine is bouncing these off a third party as in the past very grateful to
       May 09, 2005 @ 21:33 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17608. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Lowell - Extraterritoriales Gebiet
       ... ahh thanx for being so sweet & considerate yourself & i will endeavor to intertwingle lightly with you some more here below ... my friend you began by
       May 09, 2005 @ 23:12 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17609. Re: Lowell - Extraterritoriales Gebiet
       welcome & thank you fabio i wish you would do whatever would solve all your problems as well as bring you more fun & if you can skip or improve on anything
       May 10, 2005 @ 00:04 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17610. another good day afield brings berkshire try count up to 21
       yes thats right i promised 4 but then surprised even myself by trying 5 yet delivered only 2 class a so in a nutshell the new score is 15 completed & 6 elusive
       May 10, 2005 @ 03:36 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
17611. Re: (unknown)
       & i am only guessing as usual but i am finding it hard to believe that the group has returned to this point for a whole new try just because the name of
       May 10, 2005 @ 04:23 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17612. Re: (unknown)
       or heres an improved guess if he did do it deliberately 8 times then it was to honor all 8 members of the dance company
       May 10, 2005 @ 14:39 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17614. [No Subject]
       oops that makes 9 in all so perhaps it is an extra encore for the entire dancing & joyriding entourage as a whole or maybe it just means 1 for the road & thus
       May 10, 2005 @ 18:14 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17615. Re: [BoundaryPoint] (unknown) Explanation?
       Friends, I think Jesper is treating us to a near-first-hand experience of the victories of our brave. I think he is using his cellphone to take pictures, and
       May 10, 2005 @ 21:14 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
17616. surprise wetpoint near halfway throws entire berkshire ensemble into question
       with the southernmost 20 berkshire town tripoints already fully tried http://www.berkshireweb.com/themap/index.html the overall coverage is now proceeding
       May 10, 2005 @ 22:47 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17617. oops corrected map Re: surprise wetpoint
       ... http://topozone.com/map.asp?z=18&n=4694244&e=657097&s=25&size=l&datum=nad83&layer=DRG25 ...
       May 10, 2005 @ 22:59 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17618. possible meanings of exterritoriality & or extraterritoriality etc
       http://us.f418.mail.yahoo.com/ym/login?.rand=72qk7fa37qdp7 note that territorial inviolability is indeed mentioned in connection with exterritoriality & or
       May 11, 2005 @ 16:02 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17619. Re: possible meanings of exterritoriality & or extraterritoriality etc
       oops heres the link i meant http://www.bartleby.com/65/ex/extrater.html
       May 11, 2005 @ 16:05 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17620. some fun bedfellows i just met while try pointing
       http://www.pinr.com/index.php quite a feast here relating to many tripointing venues but just try an hors d oeuvre or 2 i think you may like them
       May 11, 2005 @ 20:23 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17621. Re: (unknown) Explanation?
       yes i certainly agree & it is good to hear from you too my friend as we just sit around here kibitzing & hanging in expectation of their any word these our
       May 11, 2005 @ 21:26 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17622. Re: Lowell - Extraterritoriales Gebiet
       ... ok i dont my friend & i do love to ridicule false pretensions but i dont attack people & when you can come out & play again & get beyond your distaste if
       May 11, 2005 @ 22:00 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17623. New on Guantanamo
       The U.S. Navy Public Affairs Office there has a website. A couple of items were new and of interest (at least to me): 1) the US had two leased territories in
       May 12, 2005 @ 01:44 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
17624. Re: New on Guantanamo
       ahh but youve got some fine old wines in new bottles there matey & one piece of news indeed in terms of eating your cake & having it too guantanamo now seems
       May 12, 2005 @ 02:39 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17625. Mr A
       God, I thought I was the only one who hated being rated with hahahas. What a relief. Six has - what an honor (or honour)! Anton - Unlike Mr. A s broken
       May 12, 2005 @ 02:42 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
17626. Re: Mr A
       hahaha ... hahahaha your English is such ... haha ahh
       May 12, 2005 @ 02:51 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17627. Re: Mr A
       hey i just looked that up in the dictionary hahaha http://dict.leo.org/? lp=ende&lang=en&searchLoc=0&cmpType=relaxed&relink=on§Hdr=on&spellToler=s
       May 12, 2005 @ 03:16 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17628. Re: New on Guantanamo
       but seriously again len maybe it is also high time i wrote to bush about this now too so if you would be good enough to assemble the actual conflicting
       May 12, 2005 @ 07:50 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17629. [No Subject]
       Dette er en MMS besked den kan ikke besvares. Se beskeden
       May 12, 2005 @ 13:36 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
17713. bravissimos maestros
       ... do/LegacyLogin? account=1774&sender=4550930256&recipient=1774&password=g9ssfq&v=sonofon ... & all right already that is sounding like an elusive but
       May 12, 2005 @ 14:22 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17735. seriously tho maybe we should pull their plug if we can
       it could be costing somebody big bucks if not ... do/LegacyLogin? account=1774&sender=4550930256&recipient=1774&password=g9ssfq&v=sonofon
       May 12, 2005 @ 14:31 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17745. Re: [BoundaryPoint] bravissimos maestros
       Dont you think, my question was correct? Regards, chris ... From: aletheiak To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 4:22 PM Subject:
       May 12, 2005 @ 14:48 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
17746. Re: bravissimos maestros
       absolutely hahahahaha but what do we do now ... mms.sonofon.dk/ ... neighborhood ... --
       May 12, 2005 @ 14:51 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17747. Re: bravissimos maestros
       hahahahaha hahahahahaha hahahahahahaha ahhhhh it seems to be subsiding now the man did say flood stage tho hahahaha so there you have truth in trying &
       May 12, 2005 @ 15:02 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17748. Re: [BoundaryPoint] seriously tho maybe we should pull their plug if we can
       I have deleted from the archives all but the first of these duplicate messages from Jesper, which totaled 109, I think! That will prevent their distribution
       May 12, 2005 @ 15:03 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17749. Re: seriously tho maybe we should pull their plug if we can
       ahhh thank goodness & thank you maestro too i wish youd have left at least a few tho hahahahaha but i am glad fabio at least had the prescience to dodge that
       May 12, 2005 @ 15:13 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17750. Re: seriously tho maybe we should pull their plug if we can
       in fact i am almost sure that that wasnt jesper talking at all for most of those 109 messages but my alter e guy mike impersonating him while trying to set a
       May 12, 2005 @ 16:01 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17751. aftermath of multiple world record prodigies
       this humongous 109 message multiplication of course far outstrips the previous world record of 9 that was set earlier in the tour but the 84 messages in a row
       May 12, 2005 @ 23:51 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17752. a wagering pool for the next new tripoint & or country
       pursuing the recently proposed idea of creating a parimutual betting pool for predicting the next world class tripoint to be born & acknowledging the
       May 12, 2005 @ 23:52 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17753. RE: {spam?}SA(5.5)=> [BoundaryPoint] (unknown)
       is it me or jesper? I have received this e mail 110 times ! ________________________________ From: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
       May 13, 2005 @ 06:47 - Bill Burke ("Bill Burke" <billb@lvstc.org.uk>)
17754. Ancient border
       This has no doubt been discussed before, but anyway.... I was wondering about ancient borders, and the degree to which they were marked/demarcated in some way.
       May 13, 2005 @ 18:32 - sdrawkcabdom ("sdrawkcabdom" <sdrawkcab8@...>)
17755. Re: Looking for UK boundary info...
       Hiya, for good maps of the UK check out www.multimap.com where you can get Irish, Scottish, Welsh and Cornish border maps (plus some aerial images) You can get
       May 13, 2005 @ 18:44 - sdrawkcabdom ("sdrawkcabdom" <sdrawkcab8@...>)
17756. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Looking for UK boundary info...
       http://www.home.pages.at/maxifant/Frames/drumully.htm its about the irish border and related to clave-like situations. regards, chris ... From: sdrawkcabdom
       May 13, 2005 @ 20:32 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
17757. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Ancient border
       a march is or was originally a tract of land bordering on 2 countries in this sense march & margin & frontier & buffer zone are all more or less synonymous &
       May 13, 2005 @ 23:44 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17758. Re: Looking for UK boundary info...
       ahh but that message number 8 was a golden oldie indeed & you should be commended for trying to catch up from scratch at this late date if thats what you were
       May 14, 2005 @ 01:12 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17759. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Looking for UK boundary info...
       If you are just looking for maps, you can check my link site. It should have maps of Ireland and UK. I believe some of those map sites are governmental
       May 14, 2005 @ 03:34 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
17760. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Ancient border
       ... An example of an American Indian frontier maker was recorded by Pierre le Moyne, Sieur d Iberville on March 17, 1699. As he ascended the lower Mississippi
       May 14, 2005 @ 04:39 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17761. Re: Ancient border
       also 12237 & 12243 but for an actual boundary demarcation in the sense in which this term is technically used today i think a verbal or especially a textual
       May 14, 2005 @ 12:50 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17762. Hammerfest or?
       Hello! I post this query here, hoping not to bore anybody. In a trivial pursuit query there is written that the town Hammerfest in Norway is the upper most
       May 14, 2005 @ 16:15 - fabio ("fabio" <fabiov@...>)
17763. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Hammerfest or?
       ... Its one of these questions similar to What is the tallest building in the world? . It depends on how you define it. I ve just got back from Longyearbyen
       May 14, 2005 @ 17:29 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
17764. Re: Hammerfest or?
       ... the world? ... building in the ... I totally agree. Here is one usable definition: What is the northernmost year round settlement? By this definition,
       May 14, 2005 @ 17:43 - Henry Hirose ("Henry Hirose" <silentcity@...>)
17765. Re: Hammerfest or? - correction
       Looking over my past post, I see that this section wasn t written clearly so I will reword it: What is the southernmost year round civilian settlement? The
       May 14, 2005 @ 17:46 - Henry Hirose ("Henry Hirose" <silentcity@...>)
17766. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Hammerfest or?
       Clearly: Longyearbyen, the capital of Svalbard and seat of a Norwegian Sysselman. Wolfgang ... Von: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
       May 14, 2005 @ 19:29 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
17767. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Hammerfest or?
       I would vote for Alert as the most northerly settlement. A military base is the functional equivalent of a company town--not different from mining towns,
       May 14, 2005 @ 21:33 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17768. Re: Hammerfest or?
       ... Hammerfest in ... its post ... than ... or in ... not necessarily we since it is you who are asking the question only when you decide what you yourself
       May 15, 2005 @ 00:01 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17769. Re: Hammerfest or?
       ... world? ... in the ... not necessarily it would be good if fabio would define it but even if he didnt we could still answer impeccably for the full range of
       May 15, 2005 @ 00:07 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17770. Re: Hammerfest or?
       ... all fine but there is not yet any warrant to specify any of these the question belongs only to fabio unless you intend to ask some new questions which then
       May 15, 2005 @ 00:14 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17771. new salem mass
       Note: forwarded message attached. ... Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page 1 retry & 2 new berkshire tripoint tries were made today with an overall result
       May 15, 2005 @ 00:49 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17772. Re: AW: [BoundaryPoint] Hammerfest or?
       ok & welcome back btw but how can the answer be clear when the question isnt yet Wolfgang Schaub wrote: Clearly:
       May 15, 2005 @ 00:52 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17773. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Hammerfest or?
       leaving aside the question of upper or uppermost you can vote all you want but the quest for which help was asked is so far only & all about town
       May 15, 2005 @ 01:02 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17774. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Hammerfest or?
       The question is: What is a town . Alert, Nord, Kaffeklubben etc. are settlements, but do not really sound like towns in the European sense of the word. A
       May 15, 2005 @ 08:38 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
17775. AW: AW: [BoundaryPoint] Hammerfest or?
       The question was for a town. Hence it was clear. Wolfgang ... Von: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von aletheia
       May 15, 2005 @ 08:38 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
17776. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Hammerfest or?
       Thanks to all of you! It is a pleasure to read different contributions to our discussion. Also a bit of criticism is helpful to arise a deeper discussion. On
       May 15, 2005 @ 12:05 - fabio ("fabio" <fabiov@...>)
17777. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Hammerfest or?
       That must be a very European notion that governmental authority is required to make a town a town. Perhaps it is more American and republican to say that the
       May 15, 2005 @ 14:38 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17778. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Hammerfest or?
       yes Lowell, I agree with you. It is hard to make difference between town or village . So in my latest post I asked 8 queries about village with the meaning
       May 15, 2005 @ 16:24 - fabio ("fabio" <fabiov@...>)
17779. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Hammerfest or?
       The uppermost northern town of continental Europe, in my view, would be Honningsvag on the island where the North Cape is on - which in turn is NOT the
       May 15, 2005 @ 17:34 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
17780. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Hammerfest or?
       I will provide my proposed answers for the Americas: 1. Nuwuk, Alaska, USA (on Point Barrow about 9 mi. NE of Barrow) 2. Alert, Nunavut, Canada 3. Point
       May 15, 2005 @ 20:23 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17781. a moment of trypointing truth in the berkshires
       hapiri or the hancock pittsfield richmond tripoint http://www.berkshireweb.com/themap/index.html which you may recall unexpectedly turned up looking very
       May 16, 2005 @ 00:43 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
17782. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Hammerfest or?
       ... hahaha well i cant speak for your european english sense of the word town http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/17774 which you posted
       May 16, 2005 @ 01:39 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17783. Re: Hammerfest or?
       hahahahaha ok so let me get this straight now fabio based on your clarifications here below as well as in
       May 16, 2005 @ 14:23 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17784. the promised reports from hipewi & dahiwa
       while i take a few days to recover from our recent 7try weekend in the berkshires & also to prepare to revisit pittsfield for the necessary border bible
       May 16, 2005 @ 22:30 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
17785. the dahiwa report at length
       thats the dalton hinsdale washington tripoint as shown here http://www.berkshireweb.com/themap/index.html & here
       May 17, 2005 @ 03:43 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
17786. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Hammerfest or?
       ... From: Lowell G. McManus To: Boundary Point Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Hammerfest or? I will provide my proposed
       May 17, 2005 @ 07:07 - fabio ("fabio" <fabiov@...>)
17787. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Hammerfest or?
       Thanks to Henry, Wolfgang and Lowell I can report few answers to my questions on the northernmost points and southernmost points of each Continent. There is
       May 17, 2005 @ 07:31 - fabio ("fabio" <fabiov@...>)
17788. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Hammerfest or?
       Forget Ny-Aalesund, Fabio. It is no longer inhabited, abandoned due to lack of profit with coal mining, just runis of houses and a few lorries, containers etc.
       May 17, 2005 @ 09:08 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
17789. Re: AW: [BoundaryPoint] Hammerfest or?
       ... hahaha exactly & you raise the rafters here because you put your finger precisely on the multipunctilious but still elusive point that is actually being
       May 17, 2005 @ 15:22 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17790. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Hammerfest or?
       Wolfgang wrote: And Greenland would politically be Europe, geographically America, and culturally: Asia? (The Inuit) That is correct, but we are discussing
       May 17, 2005 @ 15:29 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17791. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Hammerfest or?
       fabio ... also http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/1017 ... exactly exactly ... exactly & there is no clear answer & thats why it is so funny
       May 17, 2005 @ 15:52 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17792. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Hammerfest or?
       Fabio, ... If you re talking about geographical extremes then it makes sense to use geographic definitions. The UN definitions are not perfect, but provide a
       May 17, 2005 @ 16:47 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
17793. Re: Hammerfest or?
       hahaha yes reasonable but only a reasonably political basis rather than a reasonably geographical basis as you promote & imply if not claim for them for they
       May 17, 2005 @ 17:21 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17794. fresh tripoint creation intelligence report
       todays pinr intelligence http://www.pinr.com/report.php?ac=view_report&report_id=300&language_id=1 backed up by
       May 17, 2005 @ 17:46 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17795. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Hammerfest or?
       ... I don t see the point(s) in arbitrarily dividing the world into continents in the first place (unless you just have Afroeurasia, the Americas, Australia
       May 17, 2005 @ 18:22 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
17796. Re: Hammerfest or?
       hahahahaha more or less exactly & you know where i stand on that one namely 1 afroeurasia 2 america 3 antarctica emphatically 4 australia & of course why stop
       May 17, 2005 @ 19:05 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17797. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Hammerfest or?
       All such attempts at dividing the world into artificial regions are subject to poor definition and contradiction. Take, for instance, the once-common but
       May 17, 2005 @ 20:40 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17798. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Hammerfest or?
       There is another example: Central & Eastern Europe, loosely termed CEE. As it seems this term was born in 1989 when the iron curtain was lifted, and while all
       May 17, 2005 @ 20:52 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
17799. Re: Hammerfest or?
       yikes but hasnt it already been settled europe is the 3rd largest peninsula of afroeurasia or something i was also amused today to find as few as 227 google
       May 17, 2005 @ 21:16 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17800. Baltic pointers?
       Do we have any boundary pointers living in Finland, Estonia or Latvia? Brendan
       May 18, 2005 @ 00:05 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
17801. Re: Baltic pointers?
       ... rolf
       May 18, 2005 @ 00:12 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17802. Re: Baltic pointers?
       ... & of course he is presumed to be living not in the baltics but the balkans at the moment nor is finland necessarily either
       May 18, 2005 @ 14:25 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17803. yikes eelvru a tad less slippery tho Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Baltic pointers?
       shaping up somewhat already this morning http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2005/05/8c4dff69-a0b7-49e9-a3f1-fecb60401165.html ...
       May 18, 2005 @ 17:08 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17804. Re: Baltic pointers?
       but if you mean to include all 9 or 10 or 11 greater baltic countries then our baltic pointers are legion amounting perhaps to the greater part of our
       May 19, 2005 @ 00:45 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17805. loaded for bear again today
       the bearkshire tripoint ensemble try will resume today as soon as the great bearrington library opens where i will proceed with my border bible consultations
       May 19, 2005 @ 12:10 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17806. berkshire perfection try still lives
       hapiri or the hancock pittsfield richmond tripoint http://www.berkshireweb.com/themap/index.html which you may recall was the unexpected wetpoint & potential
       May 20, 2005 @ 05:35 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
17807. mwmzzm & mwtzzm revisited
       news report mw & zm will spend millions to upgrade their leaky watershed border http://english.people.com.cn/200505/20/eng20050520_185934.html the tripoints
       May 20, 2005 @ 14:10 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17808. full score card of berkshire dry points & wet point still to come
       with 18 links completed & 9 still pending as of the present intermission following are the 17 that remain untried they are numbered 28 thru 44 just to complete
       May 21, 2005 @ 23:23 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17809. A few images!
       From the GSEEBE: Border Freaks in Albania at Albania-Macedonia near Sveti Naum, Macedonia. Albania-Macedonia (showing old YU markings) at Sveti Naum. Reverse
       May 22, 2005 @ 16:02 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
17810. Back from GSEEBE (and sorry)
       GSEEBE is over. I am sorry the MMS forwarding causes such a huge problem. I was informed of it while in Turkey, but it was apperently an error from my mail
       May 22, 2005 @ 16:32 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
17811. Re: Back from GSEEBE (and sorry)
       welcome back & no problem it was fun in fact seeing the danube in flood
       May 22, 2005 @ 16:40 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17812. Re: [BoundaryPoint] (unknown)
       Yikes! Many chins!
       May 22, 2005 @ 17:04 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
17813. Re: [BoundaryPoint] A few images!
       giddyup...Albanistan rules in Cinncinatistan right now...had a nice 25 minute massage in the Brookstone massage chair - much needed after being in transit 18+
       May 22, 2005 @ 21:22 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
17814. Russia-Estonia border treaty
       This month s Estonian-Russian boundary treaty is available (except the boundary description and map!!) at
       May 22, 2005 @ 23:51 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
17815. Re: Russia-Estonia border treaty
       whats this mention in article 4 about a separate eelvru treaty it is surprising because theres no lvru treaty yet & wasnt any eeru treaty til this week but can
       May 23, 2005 @ 00:20 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17816. still grasping for eelvru Re: Russia-Estonia border treaty
       there is reportedly a 1997 eelvru tripoint agreement http://www.boundaries.com/ibm_idx.htm & the apparently authoritative location of this tripoint in 2003 is
       May 23, 2005 @ 17:58 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17817. Russia-Estonia
       http://www.vm.ee/est/kat_475/5445.html Agreement about R between the Estonian republic and the Russian Federation about the differentiation of sea spaces in
       May 23, 2005 @ 23:37 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
17818. Russia-Estonia maritime boundary
       [excuse previous posting: I hit send instead of insert ] Three Russian-Estonian treaties at http://www.vm.ee/est/kat_475/5445.html First treaty: maritime
       May 23, 2005 @ 23:52 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
17819. Russia-Estonia land boundary treaty: appendix 1: description
       Three Russian-Estonian treaties at http://www.vm.ee/est/kat_475/5445.html 9. mai 2005 Piirilepped Venemaaga Eesti Vabariigi ja Vene Föderatsiooni vaheline
       May 24, 2005 @ 01:00 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
17820. Re: Russia-Estonia land boundary treaty: appendix 1: description
       thanx & this also seems to indicate the middle rather than the thalweg of the pededze but we are still left guessing about the location til we see either the
       May 24, 2005 @ 01:27 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17821. but can anyone shed any more light on the mysterious tripoint treaty
       this additional windfall from the ibru eeru reverberations this morning http://www.vm.ee/eng/kat_176/1180.html is most curious of all for if there really was a
       May 24, 2005 @ 14:28 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17822. fresh cninpk try is for indira col rather than karakoram pass
       news report http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1375562,001300270001.htm maps & background
       May 25, 2005 @ 14:42 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17823. Russian pene-enclave of Dubki in Estonia
       As I feared, Babelfish had confused the translation by duplicating partial sentences and not translating other partial sentences. A careful effort has
       May 26, 2005 @ 02:28 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
17824. Re: Russian pene-enclave of Dubki in Estonia
       hahaha hahaha as you feared as you feared indeed because you feared the one who fears something the most is the one who has it most activated in their
       May 26, 2005 @ 13:26 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17825. another caus2bccawae peach
       & you can almost see the tripoint just off frame at left http://www.skagitvalleyherald.com/articles/2005/05/26/recreation/rec03.txt which is of course
       May 26, 2005 @ 23:16 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17826. hope springs eternal for khlath
       after false expectations of a 27 hole tripoint golf course here in message 5528 & a near visit reported in 12957 & finally an actual sighting on a map in 14382
       May 26, 2005 @ 23:46 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17827. Recent Book on Kooch Bihar
       For those interested in the history of Cooch Behar, this is the authoritative work. Originally in Bengali, it was intended to publish 2 volumes, but only the
       May 27, 2005 @ 01:15 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
17828. possible cninpk compromise location reported
       fresh news report http://in.rediff.com/news/2005/may/27siachen.htm mentions a novel yet highly plausible probability for the eventual cninpk tripoint position
       May 27, 2005 @ 12:40 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17829. oops cninpk try suspended
       http://southasia.net/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=364 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources
       May 27, 2005 @ 14:16 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17830. Re: another caus2bccawae peach
       Here is a small map of the Peace Arch International Park: http://www.peacearchpark.org/peacearch.htm other small maps at:
       May 27, 2005 @ 15:29 - Sean OConnell ("Sean OConnell" <gleannmaghair@...>)
17831. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: another caus2bccawae peach
       ahoy there matey & welcome home i presume did you happen to bump into our other resident vancouverian & friends at the bacshrs tripoint i was hoping you would
       May 27, 2005 @ 16:19 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17832. particulars of cninpk try
       http://www.ipsnews.net/africa/interna.asp?idnews=28859
       May 28, 2005 @ 11:10 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17833. particulars of lnpiri try etc
       resumed the berkshire perfection ensemble try this morning after a weeklong hiatus by returning for another go at lnpiri aka the lenox pittsfield richmond
       May 28, 2005 @ 23:09 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
17834. Dibba on the UAE/Sultanate of Oman border (ARE/OMN) - aerial map with boundaries
       There is an eBay lot which comes along with a nice aerial map of Dibba. Dibba is an Omani settlement situated on the Gulf of Oman. It is divided into three
       May 30, 2005 @ 11:04 - Joachim Duester ("Joachim Duester" <jduester@...>)
17835. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Dibba on the UAE/Sultanate of Oman border (ARE/OMN) - aerial map with boundaries
       thanx nice map & possibly even the best we have yet seen in that it indicates such a clear & indeed pointy aeom2fumush tripoint you may recall we have been
       May 30, 2005 @ 13:55 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17836. ukraine & company shaking russia down on transdniestria & kerch etc
       fascinating news http://english.pravda.ru/world/20/92/370/15565_Ukraine.html advancing various emergent tripoint probabilities
       May 31, 2005 @ 13:17 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17837. a couple of fun articles
       especially for anyone trying to predict new countries or their tripoints the territorial covenant international society & the stabilization of boundaries
       May 31, 2005 @ 13:18 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17838. 3 cheers for gseebe Re: algrmk bacshrs bgcsmk bgcsro bggrtr
       tries for the above titled 5 tripoint virgins were anticipated as of message 17588 which is reproduced almost in full here below along with these early rushes
       May 31, 2005 @ 17:14 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17839. Free Map Scale Calculator
       Anyone who wants a free map scale finder software - let me know off line, and I ll send it as an attachment to an email. It is made available by Oxford
       Jun 05, 2005 @ 18:28 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
17840. Fw: Alaska Submerged Lands Case
       ... From: Dunlap, William Prof. To: Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 6:03 PM Subject: Alaska
       Jun 07, 2005 @ 00:15 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17841. Russian Lease in Kasakhstan
       German TV ran a program over the weekend about the Russian lease of the Kosmodrom at Baikonur. Have we discussed this before? Anyone seen the treaty?
       Jun 07, 2005 @ 00:48 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
17842. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Russian Lease in Kasakhstan
       Although I haven t seen the agreement, the situation doesn t seem much different from that of vestigial Russian military facilities in a number of other former
       Jun 07, 2005 @ 03:37 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17843. Captain Cooks Monument
       http://www.turtle-tracks.org/issue41/i41_5.html Did we talk about this before? Has Anyone more information about it? Regards, Chris
       Jun 07, 2005 @ 06:18 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
17844. 5 cheers for the bp quinquennial
       quintessential 5star salutes to all megapointers everywhere on this the fifth anniversary of boundarypoint created at 0741 hours on 7 june 2000 by our
       Jun 07, 2005 @ 11:41 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17845. 2 maps show aftmuz on tripoint island
       http://www.aims.org.af/maps/topomaps_bg/PJ42-09.pdf
       Jun 07, 2005 @ 11:44 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17846. new bdin clave swap talks could clarify border cross or crosses
       hope springs eternal again this month following another 2year hiatus
       Jun 07, 2005 @ 13:54 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17847. Re: Russian Lease in Kasakhstan
       I find a big difference. A leased territory is very different from either a fully sovereign base or a base operated under a status of forces agreement.
       Jun 08, 2005 @ 03:07 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
17848. 4th class enclaves
       Thought this might interest some of you, although I must admit that there is no trypointing (whatever that is) or multipointing involved, so it s off-topic
       Jun 08, 2005 @ 12:41 - Anton Zeilinger ("Anton Zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
17849. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 4th class enclaves
       ... trypointing (whatever that is) hahaha ahh welcome back mate & glad you finally asked trypointing as we have been using it here is trying to understand
       Jun 08, 2005 @ 14:20 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17850. Vatican
       The new pope legislates on an extra-territorial area: The Lateran Treaty of 1929 and subsequent Agreements between the Holy See and Italy recognize that the
       Jun 08, 2005 @ 15:20 - Anton Zeilinger ("Anton Zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
17851. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Russian Lease in Kasakhstan
       I have been able to glean the following regarding the Baikonur Cosmodrome: The huge cosmodrome covers 6,717 square kilometers of land located 370 km southwest
       Jun 08, 2005 @ 15:44 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17852. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Vatican
       ... hahahahh & since this is your main point & your main try here you will be our god of shameful pointlessness or at least our holy father of it
       Jun 08, 2005 @ 15:45 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17853. Re: Russian Lease in Kasakhstan
       does it say anything about extraterrestrial rights this is a great topic for alienplace & foreignmatter too btw 2 great new discussion groups for people who
       Jun 08, 2005 @ 16:05 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17854. kashmir noses past kurdistan but bolivia is closing fast
       fresh news item http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle.asp?xfile=data/subcontinent/2005/June/subcontinent_June298.xml§ion=subcontinent&col= & just the
       Jun 08, 2005 @ 19:28 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17855. but santa cruz tarija beni prado etc all gain on kashmir now too
       http://www.granma.cu/ingles/2005/junio/mier8/24boliv-i.html note the full quintipartition of bolivia as described above would mean 8 new tricountry points in
       Jun 08, 2005 @ 20:54 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17856. skipping the united nations could be a fast track to free kashmir
       late news after 57 years http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L0832482.htm & for a possible read on the local mood there
       Jun 08, 2005 @ 22:21 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17857. 7 oil fields in bolivia seized by indians
       http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/06/09/news/bolivia.php yikes these guarani are the freakin lowland indians too the uplanders or aymara are the ones who are
       Jun 08, 2005 @ 23:53 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17858. MCFR(w)
       Does anybody here know where excactly MCFR hits the sea at it s western land terminus? Jesper
       Jun 09, 2005 @ 21:46 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
17859. Re: [BoundaryPoint] MCFR(w)
       how exactly this link gives 2 slightly different maps if you click on the pdf link in it too
       Jun 09, 2005 @ 23:18 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17860. zero hour in bolivia
       what to watch for http://narcosphere.narconews.com/story/2005/6/9/84257/46598 latest reports http://narcosphere.narconews.com/story/2005/6/9/1841/31035
       Jun 10, 2005 @ 00:27 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17861. Re: MCFR(w)
       According to the 1984 Maritime Delimitation Agreement the western maritime boundary begins at 43¢ª 43 32.9 North, 7¢ª 25 10.5 East. I assume that s
       Jun 10, 2005 @ 07:57 - Anton Zeilinger ("Anton Zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
17862. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: MCFR(w)
       that is first rate trypointing by you & a sensible presumption as well which this best available map http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/europe/monaco.jpg
       Jun 10, 2005 @ 11:56 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17863. first american indian government in centuries is imminent
       http://narcosphere.narconews.com/ now looking like elections within a few months will lead to an indian majority & nationalized energy sector causing eastern
       Jun 10, 2005 @ 13:40 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17864. santa cruz independence referendum set for august
       fresh news report http://www.metronews.ca/reuters_international.asp?id=77830 & in the event of secession santa cruz would of course inherit the present bobrpy
       Jun 10, 2005 @ 22:58 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17865. btcnine try now likely on fast track
       news report http://www.kuenselonline.com/article.php?sid=5592 appears to indicate bhutan is pressing india for demarcation of the btcnine tripoint which
       Jun 11, 2005 @ 15:33 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17866. much trypointing today but about no tripoint in particular yet
       found this news item this morning http://washingtontimes.com/specialreport/20050612-123835-3711r.htm which i nearly reported under the title cadkru & caruus
       Jun 12, 2005 @ 15:07 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17867. mzzazw animal kingdom gets border post
       http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx?articleid=243010&area=/breaking_news/breaking_news__national/ suggesting some possibility of tripointing by the heads of
       Jun 12, 2005 @ 15:58 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17868. pm visit to siachen recalls cninpk triarea park proposal too
       http://www.telegraphindia.com/1050614/asp/nation/story_4865292.asp http://www.navhindtimes.com/stories.php?part=news&Story_ID=06144 more on the mzzazw triarea
       Jun 14, 2005 @ 00:49 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17869. oddsmaking update for new tripoint sweeps
       fresh bolivia analysis especially http://www.pinr.com/report.php?ac=view_report&report_id=314&language_id=1 as well as
       Jun 14, 2005 @ 14:51 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17870. Bulgaria-Greece-Turkey
       I am almost finished sorting through my 3000+ images. But here is a sample: Bulgaria - Greece - Turkey taken on May 12, 2005 during the GSEEBE. More to come.
       Jun 14, 2005 @ 21:27 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
17871. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Bulgaria-Greece-Turkey
       yesss i love you man what can you tell us about the location or any other particulars ... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?
       Jun 14, 2005 @ 21:44 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17872. Re: Bulgaria-Greece-Turkey & more
       well in the meantime here are some bggrtr particulars http://www.vasa.abo.fi/users/rpalmber/BordersBGT.htm as well as a photographic upgrade from class c to
       Jun 15, 2005 @ 23:08 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17873. Bubbleland (Kentucky)
       Most of you must certainly know about this already, but this is kind of interesting anyway: http://www.motelmag.com/articles/bubbleland.html
       Jun 16, 2005 @ 17:17 - Seÿffffe1n O'Connell (=?iso-8859-1?q?Se=FFffffe1n=20O'Connell?= <gleannmaghair@...>)
17874. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Bubbleland (Kentucky)
       yes indeed an old favorite here along with its 3 associated kymotn tristate points among messages are 8754 8757 8759 2388 4318 4760 many others pix available
       Jun 16, 2005 @ 18:13 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17875. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Bubbleland (Kentucky)
       If they wanted to find the Bubblelanders, they should go to Bubbleland, not to New Madrid. I ve never been there, but a search of the aerial photos and
       Jun 16, 2005 @ 18:45 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17876. pix of into & from Re: [BoundaryPoint] Bubbleland (Kentucky)
       explained in messages below ... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection
       Jun 16, 2005 @ 18:55 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
17877. SV: pix of into & from Re: [BoundaryPoint] Bubbleland (Kentucky)
       Who is the eDude? _____ Fra: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com] På vegne af aletheia kallos Sendt: 16. juni 2005 20:55 Til:
       Jun 16, 2005 @ 21:52 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
17878. SV: pix of into & from Re: [BoundaryPoint] Bubbleland (Kentucky)
       the bubblemaster
       Jun 16, 2005 @ 23:22 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17879. Re: SV: pix of into & from Re: [BoundaryPoint] Bubbleland (Kentucky)
       eDude?
       Jun 17, 2005 @ 02:13 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
17880. SV: pix of into & from Re: [BoundaryPoint] Bubbleland (Kentucky)
       oh were you talking to me
       Jun 17, 2005 @ 16:29 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17881. SV: pix of into & from Re: [BoundaryPoint] Bubbleland (Kentucky)
       The eDude on the photo with the sign…. _____ Fra: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com] På vegne af aletheiak Sendt: 17. juni
       Jun 17, 2005 @ 19:00 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
17882. Re: SV: pix of into & from Re: [BoundaryPoint] Bubbleland (Kentucky)
       yes the bubblemaster is the edude pal & just to prove it here he is again with his friend the bubble dog as reported in real time in
       Jun 17, 2005 @ 20:14 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
17883. Azeri / Armenian exclaves gone
       I visited a Borders bookstore today, and found a detailed map in a travel guide about Armenia showing territory lost between Armenia and Azerbaijan in the last
       Jun 19, 2005 @ 03:50 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
17884. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Azeri / Armenian exclaves gone
       yes recently & i cant believe you dont recall yukhari askipara & barkhudali as well as artsvashen http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/15511
       Jun 19, 2005 @ 05:03 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17885. us2ksne3gamapa4balimiri found class a
       news item about a first guide meridian point recovery http://www.journalstar.com/articles/2005/06/19/local/doc42b4cec333d24004829907.txt &
       Jun 19, 2005 @ 07:20 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17886. but yikes are khlath & khlavn even tied down yet
       news http://www.theage.com.au/news/World/Cambodia-calls-inquiry-on-shifting-border/2005/06/19/1119119721828.html?oneclick=true
       Jun 19, 2005 @ 16:40 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17887. Re: new bdin clave swap talks could clarify border cross or crosses
       ... cu_no=2&item_no=39214&version=1&template_id=44&parent_id=24 but as the rendezvous nears the accumulation of more pressing issues over the past 2 years of
       Jun 19, 2005 @ 21:29 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17888. Armenia/Azerbaijan
       Len, Can we get bibliographic details of this map and guide? They may be defacto occupied, but not de jure... just like the Indo-China border. ... Brendan
       Jun 20, 2005 @ 00:05 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
17889. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Armenia/Azerbaijan
       what do you mean by may be defacto occupied there is no maybe about it they a r e de facto occupied plain & simple for de facto simply means in reality or fact
       Jun 20, 2005 @ 04:16 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17890. aeqasa resolution appears imminent
       news reports http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle.asp?xfile=data/theuae/2005/June/theuae_June570.xml§ion=theuae
       Jun 20, 2005 @ 05:48 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17891. revised world class trypointing leaders board
       thanx to some recent clarifications from rolf it is now possible to update the personal grand totals of all the known world leaders in tricountry points tried
       Jun 20, 2005 @ 17:11 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17892. Austria-Italy-Slovenia
       Another nugget from the GSEEBE... A re-visit to AUIYSL on the peak of Mt. Pec... near Villach. In the first image, the camera is in Slovenia, pointing towards
       Jun 20, 2005 @ 19:08 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
17893. Re: Azeri / Armenian exclaves gone
       I do that because I love to hear the sound of your voice as you ask me why I do that, because I m getting old and don t remember if we ever discussed it before
       Jun 21, 2005 @ 03:29 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
17894. Re: Armenia/Azerbaijan
       I ll have to make a trip back to the bookstore... I scanned a rough b/w image of part of the map from the book with my battery powered, pencil-sized scanner,
       Jun 21, 2005 @ 03:42 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
17895. Website?
       Hi Len, what happened to your Website www.exclave.info? I cant reach it. Regards, Chris
       Jun 21, 2005 @ 08:51 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
17896. RE: {spam?}SA(3.1)=> [BoundaryPoint] Website?
       ME TOO! ________________________________ From: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of chris schulz Sent: 21 June
       Jun 21, 2005 @ 08:59 - Bill Burke ("Bill Burke" <billb@...>)
17897. eelvru coming into focus
       latest bizarre news http://www.russiajournal.com/news/cnews-article.shtml?nd=48388 with this peculiar report of the oddly accelerated estonian ratification
       Jun 21, 2005 @ 14:22 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17898. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Azeri / Armenian exclaves gone
       hahahahaha ahh i see you dont remember but you do recall very nice & you fool your boss & your boredom just like you would fool us hahaha & you are pleased &
       Jun 21, 2005 @ 14:42 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17899. The greater is our triumph the smaller we realize we are
       Dear all, Ultra mare usque nusquam - out in the cruel North Atlantic lies a tiny speck of granite: Rockall, the most isolated island in the world - no other
       Jun 21, 2005 @ 14:45 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@cro-contracts.com>)
17900. AW: [BoundaryPoint] The greater is our triumph the smaller we realize we are
       The more intelligent ones among you will note my mail below had nothing to do with boundaries, and yet: IT HAS, indeed. On Rockall they were not only no
       Jun 21, 2005 @ 15:46 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
17901. Re: [BoundaryPoint] The greater is our triumph the smaller we realize we are
       bravo at least you are voting with your feet whatever you are doing & a spectacular pic it is too but what is that silhouette atop the gob ...
       Jun 21, 2005 @ 16:07 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17902. moldova maintains nominal hold on transdniestria for now
       news http://jamestown.org/edm/article.php?article_id=2369913 so no new country nor any new tricountry points can be expected to be widely recognized here at
       Jun 21, 2005 @ 16:32 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17903. WG: [BoundaryPoint] The greater is our triumph the smaller we realize we are
       The silhouette is an amateur radio antenna from the Greenpeace conquest 1979. I attach 3 recent pictures of our happening: 102 shows the new antenna, 095 me on
       Jun 21, 2005 @ 17:02 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@cro-contracts.com>)
17904. Re: WG: [BoundaryPoint] The greater is our triumph the smaller we realize we are
       hahaha wow is that guano on the potty or what hahaha freakin gulls couldnt hit a real target if they sat on it hahahaha musta been a slippery climb tho
       Jun 21, 2005 @ 17:54 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17905. after 2year wait no bdin clave swaps let alone boundary cross data
       fairly detailed account of proceedings ignores nitty gritty as expected
       Jun 21, 2005 @ 18:33 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17906. AW: WG: [BoundaryPoint] The greater is our triumph the smaller we realize we are
       Yes, guano. Slippery: Yes, but only when wet. We had dry conditions - lucky as we were. (In winter and in bad weather in general waves bang at the west face
       Jun 21, 2005 @ 18:41 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
17907. Re: [BoundaryPoint] The greater is our triumph the smaller we realize we are
       Congrats Wolfgang!!! Why didn t you announce, then we could have had a sked...... go to my homepage http://home.planet.nl/~veenhh/ under DX-Summit, enter
       Jun 21, 2005 @ 18:44 - Harry ten Veen (Harry ten Veen <h.ten.veen@...>)
17908. on myth tho off message topic point set & match
       http://www.bangkokpost.com/News/22Jun2005_news16.php __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour:
       Jun 21, 2005 @ 19:08 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17909. Re: Website?
       I got a new credit card and forgot to tell the server owners. It should be up tomorrow (Wed). Funny, nobody ever said a word about it until it wasn t
       Jun 22, 2005 @ 02:53 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
17910. Re: eelvru coming into focus
       oops evidently there is still a real impasse http://www.gateway2russia.com/st/art_278632.php
       Jun 22, 2005 @ 03:58 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17911. Berlin aerial views
       Hi all, on www.ausderluft.de i got two nice shot, that i want to share with you. Regards, Chris
       Jun 22, 2005 @ 06:40 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@gmx.de>)
17912. WG: Greetings from the Republic of Gulating
       Already do we have our first diplomatic recognition! Long live the ties between Republikken Gulating and the People s Republic of Rockall! Wolfgang PS:
       Jun 22, 2005 @ 11:38 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@cro-contracts.com>)
17913. bdin talks stall clave swaps & hopes of boundary cross data
       detailed bdin proceedings http://news.webindia123.com/news/showdetails.asp?id=90622&n_date=20050622&cat=India do after all indicate some agreement about a fast
       Jun 22, 2005 @ 19:22 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17914. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: MCFR(w)
       I would place the border where the dot is on this photo Jesper _____ Fra: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com] På vegne af
       Jun 22, 2005 @ 20:17 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
17915. satellite images of the world
       For detailed satellite images of the world, and extra high detail for many cities, go to http://maps.google.com/maps and click on satellite in the top right
       Jun 22, 2005 @ 23:36 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
17916. Re: [BoundaryPoint] satellite images of the world
       ... & hilarious if you take a look at massachusetts for then you realize the supposed deforestation is just image splicing that follows the borders there for
       Jun 23, 2005 @ 00:35 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17917. Re: MCFR(w)
       ... aha i see how exactly & thats certainly not approximate dry frmcw btw but mcfrw properly so called thank you for it isnt the approximate westernmost point
       Jun 23, 2005 @ 16:57 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17918. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: MCFR(w)
       Just for the sake of saying something, in the logorrhoic mode that seems appropriate here: The westernmost point of Monaco (dry) is identical to Monaco s
       Jun 23, 2005 @ 17:32 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
17919. particulars of latest eelvru fiasco
       http://jamestown.org/edm/article.php?article_id=2369931 note too how in the baltics at least the vestigial soviet administrative borders are not generally
       Jun 23, 2005 @ 17:34 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17920. bwnazmzw
       Very nice satellite image: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=-17.811456,25.224609
       Jun 23, 2005 @ 18:00 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
17921. Re: [BoundaryPoint] bwnazmzw
       beautiful you can even see how the present ferry & future bridge cross the zambezi more or less exactly at the chobe thalweg junction at what seems or is
       Jun 23, 2005 @ 18:25 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17922. Re: AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: MCFR(w)
       nice so do you mean mch & mcw & frmch & frmcw are all in reality a single point perhaps the point shown right here as mcsw too
       Jun 23, 2005 @ 18:31 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17923. Re: bwnazmzw
       best known map is linked at bottom of http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/11575 ... -17.811456,25.224609&spn=0.256119,0.334053&t
       Jun 23, 2005 @ 19:08 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17924. AW: AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: MCFR(w)
       YES precisely so. The address is: Villa Frontière, 24, Chemin des Révoires. The W corner of the villa property forms the right angle that the border takes
       Jun 23, 2005 @ 19:26 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
17925. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: MCFR(w)
       Should be FRMC(w) offcourse. By the brackets I mean western land border terminus. If you like the invention we can stick to it. As we have discussed earlier, I
       Jun 23, 2005 @ 19:31 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
17926. ATHUSK
       Beautifull close up http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=48.007089,17.160408&spn=0.008004,0.010439&t=k &hl=en
       Jun 23, 2005 @ 20:27 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
17927. ETKESO try
       http://www.craftskills.biz/wind-sites-mandera.htm http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=3.964005,41.878338&spn=0.128059,0.167027&z=4& t=k&hl=en
       Jun 23, 2005 @ 20:45 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
17928. SV: AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: MCFR(w)
       French GIS: http://www.geomapguide.com/diren/nature.mwf?LayersViewWidth=200
       Jun 23, 2005 @ 20:59 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
17929. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ETKESO try
       nice going & in fact our best etkeso try to date less than 10 km from mandera & less than 5km from the nearest road junction
       Jun 23, 2005 @ 21:41 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17930. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: MCFR(w)
       ... ahh aha off course of course & not at all necessarily if you would allow for the reversal code to denote the fishy part just saying frmcw whether you use
       Jun 23, 2005 @ 21:46 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17931. Re: ATHUSK
       can you make out the rock or the approximate location i havent yet been able to spot even the largest known tripoint monument from space cdcfsd ...
       Jun 23, 2005 @ 21:54 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17932. mch was [BoundaryPoint] Re: MCFR(w)
       ahh well i still cant either see or visualize this too well yet but forgetting about mcw & mcsw & frmcw & frmcsw for the moment let alone mcfrw are you
       Jun 23, 2005 @ 22:47 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17933. WG: mch was [BoundaryPoint] Re: MCFR(w)
       Manmade objects don t count. So the MCH is in the garden of the villa, 162 m high. right in the corner where the border comes up the stairs of the French
       Jun 24, 2005 @ 07:36 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@cro-contracts.com>)
17934. likely frmch was mch was [BoundaryPoint] Re: MCFR(w)
       ... hahahaha well excuse us for being here but they certainly do count at bp which is itself very substantially manmade as are all of us here & no matter that
       Jun 24, 2005 @ 15:38 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17935. AW: likely frmch was mch was [BoundaryPoint] Re: MCFR(w)
       It is quite hot at your place, I understand. ... Von: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von aletheia kallos
       Jun 24, 2005 @ 16:28 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
17936. Re: AW: likely frmch was mch was [BoundaryPoint] Re: MCFR(w)
       hahahaha here on top of cream hill you mean well roughly warmish mid to hi 70s & lovely really hows it over there ...
       Jun 24, 2005 @ 17:20 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17937. get crazy for a mwtzzm try
       tripointers dance til dawn fine travelog including an eye witness account of a thanksgiving party for 300 evidently held at the malawi tanzania zambia tripoint
       Jun 24, 2005 @ 21:47 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17938. Indian enclave satellite images
       The ancient ruins forming part of the India-Bangladesh boundary near the enclaves.
       Jun 25, 2005 @ 04:51 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
17939. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Indian enclave satellite images
       Hi, here is campione: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=35.019608,33.896942&spn=0.186081,0.261955&t=k&hl=en and here büsingen:
       Jun 25, 2005 @ 07:20 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
17940. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Indian enclave satellite images
       Am I the only person for whom these satellite images don t work? I have a great computer, but a slow dial-up connection. The images only partially load. If
       Jun 25, 2005 @ 13:57 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17941. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Indian enclave satellite images
       ... ahh but no matter as they are way pointless too so relax while you chill & since you are mainly interested in the usa anyway i can tell you the terraserver
       Jun 25, 2005 @ 15:17 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17942. Kaliningrad
       German TV just broadcast a two part series about this Russian exclave. Anyone who would like a DvD of the two one hour programs can email me for details. I ll
       Jun 25, 2005 @ 15:49 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
17943. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Kaliningrad
       Many DVD drives in computers will also play PAL Region 1 (North America) DVDs. Sometimes you need to run a wee program to turn your drive (in the case of
       Jun 25, 2005 @ 16:07 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
17944. btcnine & btcninw tries updated
       news report http://www.kuenselonline.com/article.php?sid=5652 appears to confirm that the btcn convergents to btcnine & btcninw are indeed farther along than
       Jun 25, 2005 @ 16:19 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17945. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Indian enclave satellite images
       ... The population density in rural Connecticut is considerably higher than in rural Louisiana. In fact, the 2000 population density of your county was 198
       Jun 25, 2005 @ 20:08 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17946. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Indian enclave satellite images
       ... hahahaha ahh good one hahaha but but but in connecticut we dont really use the county system hahaha & our parishes are only in church the towns here are
       Jun 25, 2005 @ 20:48 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17947. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Indian enclave satellite images
       Mike, I m aware that your Connecticut counties are non-functional (purely decorative?), but I thought it more appropriate to compare my parish to your county
       Jun 26, 2005 @ 01:19 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17948. breakaway zulia seems much darker horse than santa cruz et al
       news http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=37231 http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0506/S00188.htm map to visualize the prospective covezu tripoint
       Jun 26, 2005 @ 05:24 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17949. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Indian enclave satellite images
       They are all CY _____ Fra: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com] På vegne af chris schulz Sendt: 25. juni 2005 09:20 Til:
       Jun 26, 2005 @ 15:31 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
17950. Bhutan enclaves
       Dear members, Though I didn t post for a long time, I noticed something strange in an old article. Keesing s World Events reports the following: August 1961
       Jun 26, 2005 @ 15:44 - Lucas ("Lucas" <lucas_v1@...>)
17951. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] Indian enclave satellite images
       hahaha finally comes a multidimensional seeker courageous enough to observe all naked emperors dress alike ... ll=35.019608,33.896942&spn=0.186081,0.261955&t=
       Jun 26, 2005 @ 16:10 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17952. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Bhutan enclaves
       great to hear from you lucas this great news however long in coming positively fantastic development those are remote & sparse areas that could well have
       Jun 26, 2005 @ 16:52 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17953. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Bhutan enclaves
       I think, Len once mentioned something about it. How about you, Len? Can you remember, what you heard / read about these enclaves? Regards, Chris ... From:
       Jun 26, 2005 @ 19:05 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
17954. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Bhutan enclaves
       it is true there were some ghost btcn clave claims in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/6930 & yikes even a living btnp clave claim there too
       Jun 26, 2005 @ 19:47 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17955. caor chaos
       at least one good laugh here eventually http://ktla.trb.com/news/local/la-me-bordertown26jun26,0,384101.story?coll=ktla-news-1 tho it is hard to tell from the
       Jun 26, 2005 @ 21:15 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17956. shocking new official inpk map but can anyone confirm or find it
       http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=49514 reminiscent of the 1 or 2 previous online territorial concessions of sikkim to india by china & perhaps
       Jun 26, 2005 @ 22:38 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17957. google satellite images
       Chris, your links all point to Cyprus. When you get the satellite image you want on the screen, click link to this page in the top right of the screen. This
       Jun 27, 2005 @ 01:51 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
17958. Re: shocking new official inpk map but can anyone confirm or find it
       here it is http://pwd.delhigovt.nic.in/index2.htm but just looking like an old dumb mistake i wonder how long it will take them to correct it now
       Jun 27, 2005 @ 03:05 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17959. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: shocking new official inpk map but can anyone confirm or find it
       ... Not long! Less than two hours later, the page has only Page Under Renovation in large black type on a white background. Lowell G. McManus Leesville,
       Jun 27, 2005 @ 04:48 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17960. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: shocking new official inpk map but can anyone confirm or find it
       This morning, there is no hint of a map on the main page at that URL. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: Lowell G. McManus
       Jun 27, 2005 @ 13:03 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17961. Bhutan again
       Dear members, Thanks for the timely response. Here is what I could find more: Despite its long isolation, Bhutan was the object of several foreign invasions
       Jun 27, 2005 @ 14:35 - Lucas ("Lucas" <lucas_v1@...>)
17962. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Bhutan enclaves
       Hi Mike, thanks for your search, but one more thing i want to add: it seems to me, that you are happy about the fact, that there were no real hard data in
       Jun 27, 2005 @ 14:56 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
17963. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Bhutan enclaves
       no problem here chris & i am in fact independently happy so if there really is a problem which i rather doubt anyway then maybe it is your problem but at least
       Jun 27, 2005 @ 17:19 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17964. possible shangri la megapoint sighting bt2mopesazh
       http://www.amicusfoundation.org/amicus-2/about-bhutan/bhutan-map.htm in the southeast there is a near or actual quadridistrict point of mongar pemagatshel
       Jun 27, 2005 @ 19:24 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17965. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Bhutan enclaves
       ... Well, i wont say anything like this, all i want to remind you is e.g. your explorings about the ellis island or the report about your trip to the nj-dw
       Jun 27, 2005 @ 19:54 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
17966. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Bhutan enclaves
       ... hahaha ok my friend then you could say anything you like ... http://www.home.pages.at/maxifant/Frames/us-fragments.htm ahh nice thank you it is a pleasure
       Jun 27, 2005 @ 21:52 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17967. 2 independent maps show btcninw upon or very near a road
       http://encarta.msn.com/map_701511047/Bhutan.html
       Jun 27, 2005 @ 22:43 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17968. enclaves in Tibet
       My book on Cooch Behar (p423-4) has an appendix with information on the Bhutan and Sikkim enclaves in Tibet (see below, you can buy copies from the links at
       Jun 27, 2005 @ 23:55 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
17969. Re: [BoundaryPoint] enclaves in Tibet
       thanx nice so if i understand you correctly your answer to the original question do any btcn claves still exist is no not a chance & thats pretty much as we
       Jun 28, 2005 @ 02:56 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17970. cdrwug gorilla baby named for mount sabyinyo tripoint peak
       nice pic & good news http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8375352/ http://home.worldonline.dk/jesniel/border/african_tripoints.htm#cdrwug & this newfound alternative
       Jun 28, 2005 @ 03:37 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17971. Bhutan Exclaves in Tibet
       Thanks Chris... here is what I dreamt up about the subject: a. There were seven Bhutanese exclaves. b. Their names were: - Taharen (also: Darchen / Tarchen
       Jun 28, 2005 @ 04:40 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
17972. Monkey gets BEDELU wrong
       http://www.monkeytravel.org/eu.html But any other data on the unclaimed land? Jesper
       Jun 28, 2005 @ 05:15 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
17973. Re: Bhutan Exclaves in Tibet
       hard to follow all your dreaming & claiming as usual but are you not saying that all you can really confirm once again are just more & more dead claves &
       Jun 28, 2005 @ 05:31 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17974. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Bhutan enclaves
       ... you re welcome - hm, i want to ask, do we have a special search-tool for boundary point? i think, i remember something like this, and your answers to
       Jun 28, 2005 @ 00:32 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
17975. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Bhutan Exclaves in Tibet
       Darchen! Unbelievable! Never had I thought that I was in a Bhutanese exclave when I circled around Mt Kailash in September 1994. Darchen consisted - at that
       Jun 28, 2005 @ 06:43 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
17976. Re: AW: [BoundaryPoint] Bhutan Exclaves in Tibet
       yes unbelievable because you were not in fact in a bhutanese exclave but only in a former bhutanese exclave even at the time you were there nor is it true that
       Jun 28, 2005 @ 12:03 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17977. Helen Bray is out of the office.
       I will be out of the office starting 28/06/2005 and will not return until 14/07/2005. If you need urgent assistance, please contact Marienette Abadilla at 1
       Jun 28, 2005 @ 14:00 - Helen Bray ("Helen Bray" <bray@...>)
17978. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Bhutan enclaves
       ... yes great question thanx & our internal bp search engine is a bit tricky but entirely viable indeed it is a most rewarding cosmic response & cocreation in
       Jun 28, 2005 @ 15:00 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17979. Re: Helen Bray is out of the office.
       ... thank you helen & good going & bring us back a multipoint try if feasible from wherever you do go
       Jun 28, 2005 @ 16:47 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17980. Re: Monkey gets BEDELU wrong
       hahahahahaha hahahahahahaha ahhhh talk about following suit hahahaha etc all night & morning a perfect monkey see monkey do & clearly our best joke try ever
       Jun 28, 2005 @ 17:01 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17981. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Monkey gets BEDELU wrong
       I would place my money on bogus, but Monkey has a story to back up his claim. Monkey could be partially right, but do we actually know if the condo markers are
       Jun 28, 2005 @ 17:49 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
17982. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Monkey gets BEDELU wrong
       My guess would be that any no-man s land is bogus. Perhaps the story told by the monkey is inspired by a cession of land by the three nations to the EU or
       Jun 28, 2005 @ 18:23 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
17983. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Monkey gets BEDELU wrong
       Class A? http://www.unitas-rhenania.de/bildergalerie/westwallss01.html _____ Fra: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com] På
       Jun 28, 2005 @ 17:57 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
17984. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Monkey gets BEDELU wrong
       ... aha good point & after having looked at it again every which way i have come to believe that the condo territory actually expands & contracts with the
       Jun 28, 2005 @ 19:16 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17985. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Monkey gets BEDELU wrong
       hahaha delightfully refreshing & perhaps the best we have yet seen here but i would say it is class a only if they are actually lining up & enacting the
       Jun 28, 2005 @ 19:29 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17986. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Monkey gets BEDELU wrong
       I think the “waterfall” is the one behind Peter here and visible in all three pictures: http://www.nicolette.dk/borderbase/tripoint.php?c1=12
       Jun 28, 2005 @ 19:43 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
17987. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Monkey gets BEDELU wrong
       You all seem to miss the point: Monkey does not aim for absolute truth, but rather for the gag . Monkeys write monkey-like, they do not write like
       Jun 28, 2005 @ 19:51 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
17988. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Monkey gets BEDELU wrong
       right thats what i figured they are lined up perpendicular to the triline having perhaps no clue of its or the condos existence & the photographer is standing
       Jun 28, 2005 @ 19:54 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17989. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Monkey gets BEDELU wrong
       Define ”all” _____ Fra: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com] På vegne af Wolfgang Schaub Sendt: 28. juni 2005 21:52 Til:
       Jun 28, 2005 @ 19:59 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
17990. kofi nudges bigs again to revisit & resume forgotten djeret try
       http://allafrica.com/stories/200506280655.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
       Jun 28, 2005 @ 20:52 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17991. From ForeignPolicy.com: The Failed States Index
       - AN ARTICLE FOR YOU, FROM WWW.FOREIGNPOLICY.COM - Dear all beepers, m (aletheiak@yahoo.com) has forwarded this article to you from www.foreignpolicy.com, your
       Jun 28, 2005 @ 22:09 - m ("m" <aletheiak@...>)
17992. Re: Bhutan Exclaves in Tibet
       Sorry you don t have the talent to follow... The government of Bhutan abandoned the exclaves. Period. RE: Kalimong - You have to do a little research on your
       Jun 29, 2005 @ 02:12 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
17993. Re: Bhutan Exclaves in Tibet
       You weren t - it was gone by then. Best I can do for you was that you were in a former Bhutanese exclave. Or, if you are a purist, and consider that it still
       Jun 29, 2005 @ 02:16 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
17994. Re: Bhutan Exclaves in Tibet
       hahahaha & so silly of you to be sorry hahaha & a dead clave purist now yet too hahahahaha hahahahahaha ahhh hahaha for perhaps they arent really dead but only
       Jun 29, 2005 @ 04:44 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17995. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bhutan Exclaves in Tibet
       Having been there as such is enough. ... Von: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von L. A. Nadybal Gesendet:
       Jun 29, 2005 @ 06:20 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
17996. Re: aeqasa resolution appears imminent
       er maybe not so fast but this new bridge project will flush out the true tripoint
       Jun 29, 2005 @ 11:40 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
17997. second level enclaves germany (hesse niedersachsen)
       ... I got information about the first case close to bursfelde in my guestbook, its a part of niedersachsen inside hessen. its north of Hannoversch Münden,
       Jun 29, 2005 @ 11:43 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
17998. Re: [BoundaryPoint] second level enclaves germany (hesse niedersachsen)
       the apparent wacko multipoints i mean are first a wet pair at lower right here in your bottom frame http://www.8ung.at/enklaven/Frames/bursfelde4_kragenhof.jpg
       Jun 29, 2005 @ 12:24 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
17999. SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Monkey gets BEDELU wrong
       Attached DELU tp maps. 1) Monument not an no-man’s-land exclave 2) Border markers are indirect Jesper _____ Fra: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
       Jun 29, 2005 @ 19:33 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
18000. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ATHUSK
       Even closer http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=48.007089,17.160408&spn=0.007604,0.009917&t=k &hl=en TP is located in a sculpture park. Largest white rock is tp
       Jun 29, 2005 @ 20:41 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18001. UKESW
       http://www.nicholashodder.com/galleries/gibraltar/Spanish%20beach%20next%20t o%20border%20(west).jpg
       Jun 29, 2005 @ 20:59 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18002. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ATHUSK
       well of course i dont know but it seems to me that the largest white dot here
       Jun 29, 2005 @ 22:08 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18003. SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Monkey gets BEDELU wrong
       nice & the coloration of the schematics seems to support my guess that the condo areas expand & contract with the rivers themselves also i see the triline is
       Jun 29, 2005 @ 23:15 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18004. Re: Bhutan Exclaves in Tibet
       Did you take any pictures? I d love to see what the place looked like. Len ... the wall ... Lhasa, ... located ... of Mt. ... Bhutan, ... According to ... a
       Jun 30, 2005 @ 00:33 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
18005. re [BoundaryPoint] UKESW & kyohwv too
       well it is a pic of the border base area for sure so i would agree with gbesw or ukesw if you prefer & tho it evidently also includes the true dry esgbw point
       Jun 30, 2005 @ 01:24 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
18006. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bhutan Exclaves in Tibet
       darchen indeed survives in pages & pages of pix & maps
       Jun 30, 2005 @ 02:09 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18007. Baarle - Border rectification
       Anyone see this before? LN International Herald Tribune Thursday, November 2, 1995 Belgium is a bit larger today, at the Netherlands expense. A meadow smaller
       Jun 30, 2005 @ 03:18 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
18008. Re: Baarle - Border rectification
       yes everyone has even the cow that came with it too http://ontology.buffalo.edu/smith/baarle.htm see under problems or opportunities
       Jun 30, 2005 @ 03:42 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18009. Israel's Berlin Wall - more readin' material
       Enclaves in the West Bank: The nightmare comes true index: Most recent articles | Uri Avnery | apartheid | closures | separation wall | settlements/settlers
       Jun 30, 2005 @ 04:04 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
18010. Lets vote -- how many is "eveyrone"?
       
       Jun 30, 2005 @ 04:08 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
18011. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Israel's Berlin Wall - more readin' material
       ... may all your dreams come true len but please take your nightmares somewhere else as bp is really only a fun house & we not only pursue happiness here but
       Jun 30, 2005 @ 04:49 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18012. border controls suspended for greater cdrwug residents
       http://www.newvision.co.ug/D/8/13/442070 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
       Jun 30, 2005 @ 05:08 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18013. SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ATHUSK
       You are quite right. Identifying the right dot is not that easy. The peculiar object is my GPS. I don’t think I have ever seen a top shot, but as far as I
       Jun 30, 2005 @ 05:44 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18014. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Baarle - Border rectification
       Uh, no. Not everyone has. Please do not speak for everyone. Cheers, Doug (a small member of everyone, who has not seen everything)
       Jun 30, 2005 @ 05:49 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
18015. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Israel's Berlin Wall - more readin' material
       For me it was really interesting to read, i dont agree with you, mike, i cant understand and accept, why you attac len again and again and stop your fun and
       Jun 30, 2005 @ 06:13 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
18016. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bhutan Exclaves in Tibet
       Good grief, yes, the toilet. Well, however.... while the upper right picture shows exactly what is still in my memory of the hotel , except that the
       Jun 30, 2005 @ 06:30 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
18017. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bhutan Exclaves in Tibet
       Len: Pictures: yes, I do have. But they are buried in a photo album and at the time there were no digicams. Also, the crassest scenes I could not take pictures
       Jun 30, 2005 @ 06:30 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
18018. Puzzle
       For those of you who haven t anything better to do: How many tripoints has a soccer field if marked according to FIFA rules?
       Jun 30, 2005 @ 07:38 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
18019. Re: [BoundaryPoint] UKESW & kyohwv too
       ... or even giesw! Regards, Kevin Meynell
       Jun 30, 2005 @ 11:03 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
18020. Re: [BoundaryPoint] UKESW & kyohwv too
       yes certainly giesw & heres a toast to greater iso literacy & bp code growth in general & i love it when you talk dirty anyway man but this distinction will
       Jun 30, 2005 @ 13:28 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18021. Re: Bhutan Exclaves in Tibet
       haha well so much for tourism & have you seen how acutourism can refine people
       Jun 30, 2005 @ 14:10 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18022. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Baarle - Border rectification
       hahahahaha well doug i do reserve the right to speak for everyone & be wrong but in this case i wasnt speaking for everyone at all i was merely speaking of &
       Jun 30, 2005 @ 15:25 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18023. BoundaryPoint=Apolitical
       May I say that I agree completely with Mike. Len s e-mail basically regurgitates a political rant, which if debated on its merits could lead to a long, nasty
       Jun 30, 2005 @ 15:29 - spookymike@aol.com (spookymike@...)
18024. RE: [BoundaryPoint] BoundaryPoint=Apolitical
       hear, hear! ... May I say that I agree completely with Mike. Len s e-mail basically regurgitates a political rant, which if debated on its merits could lead
       Jun 30, 2005 @ 16:22 - Seÿffffe1n O'Connell (=?iso-8859-1?q?Se=FFffffe1n=20O'Connell?= <gleannmaghair@...>)
18025. RE: [BoundaryPoint] BoundaryPoint=Apolitical
       i think everyone excluding no one has really said it all so far & thank you all sincerely for it & to chris i would add you dont need to understand or accept
       Jun 30, 2005 @ 17:52 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18026. Re: Puzzle
       ... hahaha well now that everyone is snoring peacefully again i finally dont have anything better to do but dont you think your puzzle should come with a
       Jun 30, 2005 @ 18:29 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18027. Dubki: Eesti - Rossija!
       I shall leave tomorrow to visit the baltic republics(EE, LV, LT). I am very corious about Dubki exclaves: can i find any informations(i think there are only 2
       Jun 30, 2005 @ 19:41 - humdrum85 ("humdrum85" <humdrum85@...>)
18028. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Dubki: Eesti - Rossija!
       There is not much to see from EE side: http://www.vasa.abo.fi/users/rpalmber/BordersDubki.htm The first stop sign (see photo) is for private property, not the
       Jun 30, 2005 @ 19:47 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18029. SV: [BoundaryPoint] BoundaryPoint=Apolitical
       To stay on the Palestine issue: It’s amazing how clear the Gaza strip border is: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=31.300306,34.250908
       Jun 30, 2005 @ 20:25 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18030. Dubki Images
       Here are some pictures from Dubki, taken on the Great Baltic Border Expedition in 2003. Cheers! Doug F1000019 - EE road (closed) leading to Dubki border area.
       Jun 30, 2005 @ 20:35 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
18031. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] Dubki: Eesti - Rossija!
       bon voyage & welcome we have dozens of dubki morsels for you in our search engine especially messages 17823 & 8225 & when you get there you will be in fairly
       Jun 30, 2005 @ 20:35 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18032. BYRUUA
       Is that the TP monument visible at the crossroad? http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=52.111330,31.781645
       Jun 30, 2005 @ 20:50 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18033. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] BoundaryPoint=Apolitical
       ...
       Jun 30, 2005 @ 21:01 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18034. Re: BYRUUA
       i think the great kurgan druzby marker probably is situated right there at the road trijunction & tho some have doubted that it is the real tripoint marker i
       Jun 30, 2005 @ 21:46 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18035. Hidden Europe issue 3: enclaves etc
       Issue 3 of this interesting magazine is now out, and features articles on enclaves, and the Ile de Faisans amongst others. Available for purchase, or viewable
       Jul 01, 2005 @ 00:03 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
18036. 22nd Belgian enclave
       ... It wasn t an error , it was known since the 1830s that a third of the field was Belgian, but not which third... And the enclave had been international
       Jul 01, 2005 @ 00:10 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
18037. aeqasa resolution becoming a pivotal point in gulf realignments
       http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle.asp?xfile=data/theuae/2005/July/theuae_July4.xml§ion=theuae&col=
       Jul 01, 2005 @ 04:52 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18038. Puzzle
       From: aletheiak Date: Thu Jun 30, 2005 8:29 pm Well now, how many tripoints has a soccer field when marked according to FIFA regulations?
       Jul 01, 2005 @ 09:27 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
18039. Re: Hidden Europe issue 3: enclaves etc
       ... hahahaha yikes but what makes you say that you know how sensitive some of us are about being spoken for hahaha whether rightly or wrongly & only one
       Jul 01, 2005 @ 11:06 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18040. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Puzzle
       hahaha who or what do you mean is wrong i would never have said 28 tripoints anyway for the diagram i provided only you could have seen anything as nonexistent
       Jul 01, 2005 @ 11:25 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18041. Re: [BoundaryPoint] aeqasa resolution becoming a pivotal point in gulf realignments
       in morning light this is actually quite stunning news note how the de jure aeqa delineation is projected seaward from the mentioned khour al adeed shown on
       Jul 01, 2005 @ 13:48 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18042. BYRUUA
       Another ground image of Belarus-Russia-Ukraine: http://www.ravnenie-na-pobedu.ru/regions/32/region/friendshipb.jpg Any border monuments here, or are they all
       Jul 01, 2005 @ 17:09 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
18043. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BYRUUA
       i believe only the byruua monument in your first link is a true tripoint marker or true border marker of any kind tho it is peculiar in apparently only
       Jul 01, 2005 @ 19:07 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18044. a honey thing happened on the way to iamone
       http://mdc.mo.gov/conmag/1997/01/50.htm starts slow but flows trust me & not to be outdone http://iagenweb.org/history/moi/moi25.htm & similarly but
       Jul 01, 2005 @ 21:44 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
18045. Sohk
       Old news ? http://enews.ferghana.ru/detail.php?id=26126126126.541,1347,6007071 Jesper
       Jul 02, 2005 @ 16:16 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18046. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Sohk
       multiple choice question or essay question if you prefer whats new about district conflict & or clave misery or what do you like about it or what did you like
       Jul 02, 2005 @ 21:31 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18047. Happy Birthday Kaliningrad!
       Doesn t look a day over 749! http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4645447.stm Pic from Sovetsk (or Sovietsk or Tilsit) looking towards Lithuania. Cheers! Doug
       Jul 03, 2005 @ 03:12 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
18048. dalapi & dahiwi of the berkshires
       after another & far longer intermission the berkshire perfection ensemble try which was last heard from 5 weeks ago in message 17833 when 19 out of the 44
       Jul 03, 2005 @ 03:28 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
18049. iailmo & the original halfbreed tract
       tho not quite the southernmost point of iowa the iailmo tristate point at the mouth of the des moines river shown here at lower right
       Jul 03, 2005 @ 03:31 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
18050. yesss cnlavn finally got laid saturday
       http://en.chinabroadcast.cn/2238/2005-7-3/158@253643.htm first tried http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/9805 best known detail
       Jul 03, 2005 @ 12:37 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18051. reintroducing flal the former dry alfls aka florabama with a truly fishy bouillabaisse
       http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050703/FEATURES05/507030315 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired
       Jul 03, 2005 @ 13:06 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18052. Re: yesss cnlavn finally got laid saturday
       more details on the erection itself http://english1.people.com.cn:80/200507/04/eng20050704_193998.html so add this new transliteration of the mountain name in
       Jul 04, 2005 @ 13:30 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18053. Pondicherry - Transfer to India
       The 50th anniversary of the assimilation of Pondicherry - the former French Establissment in India comprised of about 13 scattered exclaves a la Boputhatswana,
       Jul 04, 2005 @ 13:30 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
18054. Re: Pondicherry - Transfer to India
       hahahahaha a dead issue celebrating 50 years of a dead issue hahaha & shouting de facto in plain english too for anyone who still doesnt get that part either
       Jul 04, 2005 @ 15:54 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18055. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Pondicherry - Transfer to India
       good Bye Chris ... From: aletheiak To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 5:54 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Pondicherry - Transfer to
       Jul 04, 2005 @ 16:09 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
18056. Proposal
       Anonymity seduces to childish behavior, an observation that can be made in all open forums. Could we agree - among ourselves - that we mark our postings with a
       Jul 04, 2005 @ 16:33 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
18057. Re: Proposal
       hahahaha right lets appoint you & len the arbiters of whats relevant hahahahaha
       Jul 04, 2005 @ 18:39 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18058. U.S.-Canada Border Leaves Many Jittery
       U.S.-Canada Border Leaves Many Jittery By BETH DUFF-BROWN and PAULINE ARRILLAGA The Associated Press Monday, July 4, 2005; 1:43 PM ON THE U.S.-CANADA BORDER --
       Jul 04, 2005 @ 19:14 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <w1wh@...>)
18059. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Proposal
       You got it, indeed. Thanks for your understanding. Wolfgang ... Von: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von
       Jul 04, 2005 @ 19:23 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
18060. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Proposal
       This is a classic example of a stupid e-mail note full of unuseful information which are only a waste of time...: it is time to stop Mr. AHAHAHAHAHAH ...
       Jul 04, 2005 @ 19:43 - fabio ("fabio" <fabiov@...>)
18061. Point Roberts, WA
       Has anyone noticed Point Roberts, WA (west of Blaine)? You can only drive to it by going thru Canada first.
       Jul 04, 2005 @ 19:50 - grumpy_44134 ("grumpy_44134" <grumpy_44134@...>)
18062. Re: U.S.-Canada Border Leaves Many Jittery
       ... every what was that really all she wrote well then to answer the one question still hanging how do you feel secure by thinking happy thoughts of course &
       Jul 04, 2005 @ 19:56 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18063. Re: Point Roberts, WA
       ... yes i would say everyone has perhaps even including doug this time
       Jul 04, 2005 @ 20:07 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18064. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Point Roberts, WA
       I can see it from my backyard. Any questions?
       Jul 04, 2005 @ 20:14 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
18065. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Point Roberts, WA
       Just wondering why the powers-to-be didn t jog the border to make it Canadian? ... You only get one chance on this merry-go-round. But if you do it right,
       Jul 04, 2005 @ 20:20 - Seymour Dupa (Seymour Dupa <grumpy_44134@...>)
18066. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Point Roberts, WA
       Ah! Here s some good concise information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_Roberts And some info and photos I posted long ago:
       Jul 04, 2005 @ 20:38 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
18067. Re: Point Roberts, WA
       yes good concise info but does it answer the question actually asked which was why didnt the powers jog the border so as to make point roberts canadian & one
       Jul 04, 2005 @ 23:53 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18068. NJ-NY-PA
       I revisited NJNYPA on July 4. I had always wondered about the apparent discrepancy between the placement of tri-state rock on bedrock at the tip of the
       Jul 05, 2005 @ 22:39 - spookymike@aol.com (spookymike@...)
18069. Re: [BoundaryPoint] NJ-NY-PA
       nice one mike & we do indeed have a long history here with njnypa but i am glad to see the trying & the pointing are so alive & well there for in fact we have
       Jul 06, 2005 @ 01:31 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
18070. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Pondicherry - Transfer to India
       Here is a map of the area that I photographed from an old French atlas. http://images.enclaves.org/india/Pondichery.jpg M ...
       Jul 06, 2005 @ 07:47 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
18071. Re: NJ-NY-PA
       & since the nypa convergent of the trifinial diagram on the tri states rock is so flatly contradicted by the presumably authoritative text of the nearby
       Jul 06, 2005 @ 13:58 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18072. RE: NJ-NY-PA
       spookymike@aol.com writes, I revisited NJNYPA on July 4. ... Trifinium:
       Jul 06, 2005 @ 14:34 - Ron McConnell ("Ron McConnell" <rcmcc@...>)
18073. Re: NJNYPA
       Mike, thanks for the reference to msg #283. I knew there was no way this one hadn t been discussed before. It was indeed very neat to get out onto dry NJPA.
       Jul 06, 2005 @ 15:57 - spookymike@aol.com (spookymike@...)
18074. Re: NJNYPA
       hahahaha nice one our multidimensional pursuit turns the normal circulation on its ear & it is really we all who should be thanking you for inspiring this very
       Jul 06, 2005 @ 18:19 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18075. SV: ITFRS
       _____ Fra: Jesper Nielsen [mailto:jesniel@image.dk] Sendt: 6. juli 2005 07:24 Til: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Emne: ITFRS
       Jul 07, 2005 @ 05:38 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18076. Re: SV: ITFRS
       since there is no corresponding itfrn bouillabaisse prospect at the opposite end of frit nor any clear indication yet of the actual dry frits point itself
       Jul 07, 2005 @ 07:51 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18077. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: SV: ITFRS
       According to my 1:25 000 topomap the smaå peninsula is divided (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=43.784412,7.530066
       Jul 07, 2005 @ 18:30 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18078. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: SV: ITFRS
       ...
       Jul 08, 2005 @ 01:03 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
18079. bigs set to boogie again monday on djeret try
       http://www.eritreadaily.net/News0705/article200507081.htm ____________________________________________________ Sell on Yahoo! Auctions � no fees. Bid on great
       Jul 08, 2005 @ 17:01 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18080. ca2nyonqc tripoint police force emerging
       http://www.indiancountry.com/content.cfm?id=1096411202 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the
       Jul 08, 2005 @ 17:10 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18081. Re: ca2nyonqc tripoint police force emerging
       oops of course thats caus2nyonqc
       Jul 08, 2005 @ 17:26 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18082. Geocaching book
       A new book on Geocaching that may be of interest especially to our American members. http://www.press.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/hfs.cgi/00/167769.ctl US$29.95 in
       Jul 09, 2005 @ 02:30 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
18083. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Geocaching book
       yes indeed & these attachments show the local canvor monument with cow skull treasure & its concretely geocached tripoint being reached for by one of our
       Jul 09, 2005 @ 04:24 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
18084. mxus2bccamx aka usmxw being renovated
       http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/tijuana/20050709-9999-7m9borfence.html __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports
       Jul 09, 2005 @ 13:04 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18085. Romania & Ukraine
       Here, http://www.icj-cij.org/icjwww/idocket/iru/iruframe.htm the Application button leads to the official application on the maritime case between Romania and
       Jul 10, 2005 @ 12:17 - Lucas ("Lucas" <lucas_v1@...>)
18086. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Romania & Ukraine
       thanx lucas not sure what point you are referring to if any but if you mean the buoy & or geoposition mentioned on page 58 then these do indeed appear to refer
       Jul 10, 2005 @ 14:37 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18087. Cambodia refuses to reopen border monument
       http://www.lostinthailand.com/thailand-news/thailand-74.html http://www.camnet.com.kh/cambodia.daily/selected_features/temple.htm
       Jul 11, 2005 @ 19:16 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18088. Map: LAKHVN
       http://www.cambodiacic.org/map/USAF%20Bombing/Rotanak-Kiri-8.jpg Confusing though Jesper -- Borderbase - your online guide to international borders and
       Jul 11, 2005 @ 19:18 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18089. MAP: KHKLATH
       Emne: Map: KHKLATH http://www.cambodiacic.org/map/USAF%20Bombing/Preah-Vihear-6.jpg
       Jul 11, 2005 @ 19:25 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18090. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cambodia refuses to reopen border monument
       it was reported reopened on june 22 & yes it was brendan who reported one in 17012 if you mean one visit to the site btw khlath & khlavn summaries are in 17826
       Jul 11, 2005 @ 21:08 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18091. bigs looking lackadaisical again on umpteenth djeret try
       http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/RWB.NSF/db900SID/HMYT-6E7PHB?OpenDocument http://www.eritreadaily.net/News0705/article200507113.htm
       Jul 11, 2005 @ 21:40 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18092. are these arbrpy maneuvers prelude to a bolivian intervention
       they had been predicted http://www.plenglish.com/article.asp?ID=%7B42AD11D9-A013-4A48-8E00-F0E9A55879AA%7D&language=EN in any case the new tricountry point
       Jul 11, 2005 @ 22:08 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18093. may a rare news report from boring bnmy excuse lack of tripoint
       where just having a brew is nigh on smuggling if not impossible http://www.brudirect.com/DailyInfo/News/Archive/July05/120705/nite02.htm i wonder if they use
       Jul 12, 2005 @ 00:10 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18094. but just to give bornean trypointing a fair chance too
       tho borneo is by far the worlds largest multicountry island not counting america & afroeurasia of course tho i am not sure why not she is nevertheless
       Jul 12, 2005 @ 01:11 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18095. Rockall first day covers now on sale
       Dear Fabio, just to let you know that the Rockall stamps, placed on first-day covers and stamped - genuinely posted from Rockall!! - are now for sale at
       Jul 12, 2005 @ 07:18 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@cro-contracts.com>)
18096. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Rockall first day covers now on sale
       hahaha & just to let you know dear wolfgang in case you sailed past our true first day page covering it http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint
       Jul 12, 2005 @ 13:35 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18097. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Rockall first day covers now on sale
       Sorry for breaking into your monopoly for nonsense. BoundaryPoint is an ... open discussion list for ... slightly strange individuals who are interested in
       Jul 12, 2005 @ 15:45 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
18098. Re: Rockall first day covers now on sale
       hahahaha better silly than sorry i would venture to say especially about nonsense & who or what were you meaning to help into what orbit hahahahaha
       Jul 12, 2005 @ 17:04 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18099. BORDERpoint is launched!
       I have launched a new Yahoo! discussion group called BORDERpoint. The reasons should be obvious. Please join us for discussions of a border related nature.
       Jul 12, 2005 @ 17:24 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
18100. Re: Rockall first day covers now on sale
       & btw your poetry is sublime no kidding & this is already heaven right here too you know but it is simply not true that rockall is claimed by any countries
       Jul 12, 2005 @ 17:31 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18101. Re: BORDERpoint is launched!
       thanx & good thinking it is just what we need
       Jul 12, 2005 @ 17:37 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18102. Thai-Cambodia
       http://www.cambodiacic.org/map/USAF%20Bombing/Otdar-Mean-Chey-3.jpg The temple is on the small Thai salient immediately NW of the three red squares at the top
       Jul 13, 2005 @ 00:48 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
18103. Thai-Cambodian maps
       The temple is in the white square numbered 5 along the northern border. The tripoint with Thai/Lao is in white 6. The Viet/Lao/Cambodian tripoint is of course
       Jul 13, 2005 @ 00:54 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
18104. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Thai-Cambodia
       oops wrong image evidently the map with the 3 squares on it is the one just to the east of this one which jesper does indeed appear to have gotten right the
       Jul 13, 2005 @ 02:17 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18105. cadkes gusher try shaping up on gysr
       http://www.gnn.tv/articles/1528/Oil_Fuels_Suriname_Guyana_Border_Clash ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make
       Jul 13, 2005 @ 13:24 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18106. Re: Rockall first day covers now on sale
       aha indeed i must have finally grasped your point wolfgang if by no mans land all you really mean is everyones land for we have been making this slight but
       Jul 13, 2005 @ 17:01 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18107. Re: mzzazw animal kingdom gets border post
       yikes new tripoint accessible border crossing is already set to open next month http://allafrica.com/stories/200507130698.html updating 17867 here below &
       Jul 13, 2005 @ 18:04 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18108. ahh but isnt life a dream already on the murray at au2nesovi
       http://www.ecotrek.com.au/listings/19.html of course you still have to paddle or roll your own but ever more merrily & gently downstream with cross traffic so
       Jul 13, 2005 @ 23:13 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18109. way silly tale of atitsi is at least a first known tripointing folklore
       http://www.o-cerkno.ng.edus.si/ucilnica/en/mostovi.htm of the mentioned bridges most na soci is at bottom center
       Jul 14, 2005 @ 00:44 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18110. AW: [BoundaryPoint] way silly tale of atitsi is at least a first known tripointing folklore
       what fear is is power less . If I applied this in my mountaineering I wouldn t be alive anymore. Wolfgang ... Von: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
       Jul 14, 2005 @ 06:18 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
18111. Re: AW: [BoundaryPoint] way silly tale of atitsi is at least a first known tripointing folklore
       thanx good point clearly what was meant there in that context & by the word fear in english most generally is a groundless mental alarm or disquiet or paranoia
       Jul 14, 2005 @ 13:06 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18112. lets see if this new dynamic linkage works
       the good taste & good info & good behaviour of our static free contingent all enjoyed a brief respite this morning in
       Jul 14, 2005 @ 13:48 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18113. bjbfne & bjneng was Re: [BoundaryPoint] lets see if this new dynamic linkage works
       & this news which was originally overlooked at the original bp all day yesterday for its apparent lack of multipointing implications & for which we should thus
       Jul 14, 2005 @ 14:23 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18114. dnestr separatist tripoint prospects still dark horses
       http://www.kommersant.com/page.asp?id=590766 http://www.gateway2russia.com/st/art_280131.php http://en.rian.ru/russia/20050714/40910396.html
       Jul 14, 2005 @ 19:43 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18115. Re: [BoundaryPoint] dnestr separatist tripoint prospects still dark horses
       aha this clarifies that the moldovan elegance was indeed added to the ukrainian plan before it was served up to russia
       Jul 14, 2005 @ 20:27 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18116. chiapas separatist & other tripoint probabilities in a nutshell
       no need to subscribe to this tho it looks interesting https://ssl.tnr.com/p/docsub.mhtml?i=w050704&s=stavans070605 for there is fresh word from the horses
       Jul 15, 2005 @ 06:24 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18117. Re: chiapas separatist & other tripoint probabilities in a nutshell
       oops heres the summary i neglected to link http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0507/S00109.htm
       Jul 15, 2005 @ 06:28 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18118. chiapas tripoint odds spike at 7 to 1 as general red high alert is suspended
       new paradigm military maneuvers feature show of real power by first sounding the retreat & then immediately retracting & retreating from the retreat & emerging
       Jul 15, 2005 @ 17:14 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18119. santa cruz tripoint prospects surge toward august 12 showdown
       important handicapping data from a few days ago just noticed today http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0507/S00128.htm for the skinny but prospective bettors may
       Jul 16, 2005 @ 00:24 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18120. why it is so hard to predict when or where the chiapas tripoints will fall
       awesome good if slightly hard read http://www.anarkismo.net/newswire.php?story_id=749 suggesting that the present de facto country shown here in gray
       Jul 16, 2005 @ 15:49 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18121. CNLAVN monument errected
       http://english.people.com.cn/200507/04/eng20050704_193998.html Boundary tablet erected at China-Vietnam-Laos juncture font size ZoomIn
       Jul 16, 2005 @ 23:17 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
18122. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CNLAVN monument errected
       thanx see also http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/18052 likewise http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/17886 ...
       Jul 16, 2005 @ 23:26 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18123. SV: [BoundaryPoint] CNLAVN monument errected
       More words to search for: http://www.vnagency.com.vn/newsA.asp?LANGUAGE_ID=2
       Jul 16, 2005 @ 23:26 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
18124. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] CNLAVN monument errected
       ...
       Jul 16, 2005 @ 23:47 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18125. Re: particular mexican spots
       over 2 years ago in message 10294 ... & here at last is the harder evidence indicating john & his mental map were indeed correct & that there is in fact no
       Jul 17, 2005 @ 13:48 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18126. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: particular mexican spots
       The detailed Mexican state maps at http://dgp.sct.gob.mx/index.php?id=440 (extremely huge PDF files of federal maps) and
       Jul 17, 2005 @ 15:02 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
18127. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] CNLAVN monument errected
       ... LANGUAGE_ID=2&CATEGORY_ID=29&NEWS_ID=1 ... yesss here it is undoubtedly http://www.ciren.gov.vn/images/news_img/moc_14-7.jpg thanx
       Jul 17, 2005 @ 17:38 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18128. valiant but totally rummy cnin2jahiti try class e
       the objective is the 6800m summit of mount gya which marks the international tripoint where the indian states of himachal pradesh & jammu & kashmir meet the
       Jul 17, 2005 @ 19:23 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18129. Border postcards
       A former Danish border guard who has written several books on DEDK has asked me if any of you guys would be interested in selling or exchanging border
       Jul 17, 2005 @ 19:37 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18130. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border postcards
       dear jesper & other borderpointers still happily tuned in here at good old bp too thanx for the border postcards as well as for visiting & or ccing us here on
       Jul 17, 2005 @ 22:19 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18131. innp2mesiwe class d or e
       possibly http://www.questhimalaya.com/images/440-kz-phalut.jpg http://www.travelsandtales.com/singalila19.html another international second order summit
       Jul 17, 2005 @ 23:15 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18132. Re: [BoundaryPoint] innp2mesiwe class d or e
       this late victorian depiction of the 3 components of the former innpsi & present mesiwe tripoint in 3 different colors makes it at least plausible as a world
       Jul 18, 2005 @ 00:32 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18133. the also elusive sikkim ghost twin btin2sasiwe Re: innp2mesiwe class d or e
       just to round off this sikkim thought while all the maps are still out at the opposite end of the sikkim west bengal border is btin2sasiwe where this now
       Jul 18, 2005 @ 07:18 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18134. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CNLAVN monument errected
       Dear Aletheia Kallos: I am Hanh Tran would like to thank you for these valuable messages as I am very interested in the China-Vietnam and Laos border issues in
       Jul 18, 2005 @ 18:44 - viettrade.net ("viettrade.net" <viettrade_net@...>)
18135. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CNLAVN monument errected
       thanx pal glad to hear from you we really owe the discovery of the tripoint monument photo to our separatist friends in residence at borderpoint especially for
       Jul 18, 2005 @ 19:19 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18136. more news from the great american separatist tripoint derby
       dont despair on the chiapas tripoint prospects til youve read & savored both of the following fresh items
       Jul 18, 2005 @ 20:46 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18137. slight improvement in map of parrots beak tip aka khlavn
       http://www.rjsmith.com/tri-border-area-hcmt.html generally trumps in both scale & clarity http://www.nexus.net/~911gfx/vietnam/maps/nd48-08/nd48_08c.html from
       Jul 18, 2005 @ 22:20 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18138. Re: slight improvement in map of parrots beak tip aka khlavn
       ... oops again silly of me as this of course refers only to khlath which is another interesting tripoint we are still seeking in your area we actually have no
       Jul 18, 2005 @ 22:28 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18139. jamaican megapoint prospect reported by arif
       http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/americas/jamaica_pol_2002.jpg clarendon manchester st ann & trelawny quadriparish point apparent jm2clmasatr
       Jul 19, 2005 @ 08:29 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18140. Re: more news from the great american separatist tripoint derby
       continuing with recent analyses ... further corroboration of the fix http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_19182.shtml with the important
       Jul 19, 2005 @ 18:51 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18141. shoot a tax vacuum is busted at us2nc3momora
       someone had a good thing going here til now but the mo & mo tax collectors have finally noticed that momora is flapping in the breeze & have called for a fresh
       Jul 20, 2005 @ 15:10 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18142. kurdistan feeling more oats today in new country tripoint derby
       recent reports of kurdish developments in turkey as well as syria & iran topped by todays news of unprecedented iraqi kurdish demands for territorial
       Jul 21, 2005 @ 14:45 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18143. Cyprus - SBA Maritime Boundaries
       I just posted in photos a smalll version of the map of the nautical boundaries that the US State Department created according to input from the British,
       Jul 22, 2005 @ 02:44 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
18144. Tripointers Ahoi! - US-Venezuela-NethAnt border
       I came across an analysis of this maritime border treaty of Mar 28, 1978. It says the US-Venezuela border starts at the tripoint between the US, Venezuela
       Jul 22, 2005 @ 03:19 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
18145. Two maritime tripoints 2 miles apart
       In the photo library I posted a copy of a chart attached to a US-GB treaty delimiting the US-GB border in the Caribbean, showing ONLY the two mile stretch of
       Jul 22, 2005 @ 03:37 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
18146. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tripointers Ahoi! - US-Venezuela-NethAnt border
       ... ahoi & thanx very nice evidently from http://www.law.fsu.edu/library/collection/LimitsinSeas/LS091.pdf which conveys more or less the same impression
       Jul 22, 2005 @ 18:44 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18147. Re: Cyprus - SBA Maritime Boundaries
       ... yes as you have somewhat correctly recalled the power station was believed to have no maritime component when last reported
       Jul 23, 2005 @ 11:30 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18148. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Cyprus - SBA Maritime Boundaries
       but just to at least consider the multipoints implied by your offering i believe there are 4 in all or 1 tripoint upon each of your 4 cygb maritime projections
       Jul 23, 2005 @ 13:05 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18149. answer to extra credit question
       ... answer gbus2aivgvi or rather gbus2aiusvg more strictly speaking for greatest extra credit with ai being anguilla vg british virgins & vi american virgins
       Jul 23, 2005 @ 13:29 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18150. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Cyprus - SBA Maritime Boundaries
       While I understand the concept of your everyones land, I think it inappropriate to apply the term land to what is not land, but rather sea. The largest
       Jul 23, 2005 @ 20:26 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
18151. everyones land was Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Cyprus - SBA Maritime Boundaries
       thanx several good points land is indeed not the same as water but all territory be it land or water or variable on the surface is solid land at base in fact
       Jul 23, 2005 @ 22:10 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18152. Re: everyones land was Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Cyprus - SBA Maritime Boundaries
       Good reply. Thanks for the discussion of your points. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: aletheia kallos To:
       Jul 24, 2005 @ 01:56 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
18153. Re: Tripointers Ahoi! - US-Venezuela-NethAnt border
       I wouldn t take credit for discovering a tripoint that was written down in some publication. After a negative experience trying to be a rummager at the UN
       Jul 23, 2005 @ 00:27 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
18154. everyones land was Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Cyprus - SBA Maritime Boundaries
       Everyone s? How about landlocked countries? What sovereign interest in the high seas could have accrued to them over time? The high seas would have to be an
       Jul 24, 2005 @ 03:04 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
18155. Re: everyones land was Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Cyprus - SBA Maritime Boundaries
       I ve got to agree with the philosophy and the logic. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: L. A. Nadybal To:
       Jul 24, 2005 @ 05:04 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
18156. Re: everyones land was Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Cyprus - SBA Maritime Boundaries
       my dear dears lowell len & probably others when you think only countries & not people are sovereign you forget the most important thing your personal
       Jul 24, 2005 @ 12:24 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18157. but then what is sovereignty
       awfully good philosophical nutshell http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/sovereignty/ which surprised me by leading in the end to an eminently sensible catholic
       Jul 25, 2005 @ 15:42 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18158. re everyones land
       some slight corrections i see now that the high seas northward of 60 south latitude have actually been de jure everyones land only since 1994 when unclos began
       Jul 25, 2005 @ 21:24 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18159. italy san marino secondary tripoint quartet reported & now sighted
       another truly fab 4 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/borderpoint/message/43 & here are 2 of them 500 meters apart
       Jul 26, 2005 @ 16:12 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18160. yikes recent multiplication of hans island dispute is multiplying
       probably erroneous but unqualified & uncorrected reports recently posted to the normally reliable int boundaries list & borderpoint are now being reiterated
       Jul 27, 2005 @ 13:15 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18161. correction in view of inukshuk as territorial marker
       & the official erection of the inukshuk monument on hans island may be the most significant news of the entire episode since it qualifies the place as inuit or
       Jul 27, 2005 @ 15:55 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18162. Hello all!
       Dear readers, First, thanks for all the Bhutan answers. I ve been a member of this group for some years now, but I haven t posted a lot, mostly because I
       Jul 28, 2005 @ 16:26 - Lucas ("Lucas" <lucas_v1@...>)
18163. Fletcher Ice Island
       Dear members, Here is something which I couldn t find one mention of using the search engine. If you already talked about it, then sorry: This is a quotation
       Jul 28, 2005 @ 16:53 - Lucas ("Lucas" <lucas_v1@...>)
18164. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fletcher Ice Island
       aha very nice another lost chunk of everyones ice both fletcher & his melting island are believed to have retired in 1983 when he reportedly predicted she
       Jul 28, 2005 @ 18:09 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18165. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fletcher Ice Island
       ... Is there not a concept in the law that a person in the high seas or on an unclaimed island is subject to the jurisdiction of the nation whose vessel or
       Jul 28, 2005 @ 20:12 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
18166. Re: Hello all!
       indeed & heres a fresh surprise btcn encore http://www.newindpress.com/NewsItems.asp? ID=IEH20050728135508&Page=H&Title=Top+Stories&Topic=0 it isnt clear but
       Jul 28, 2005 @ 21:55 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18167. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Hello all!
       oops heres another try at that url http://www.newindpress.com/NewsItems.asp?ID=IEH20050728135508&Page=H&Title=Top+Stories&Topic=0 ...
       Jul 28, 2005 @ 22:05 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18168. Re: [BoundaryPoint] answer to extra credit question
       ... Because they are different territories that may potentially be split (through independence or otherwise) in future. Furthermore, there needs to be clarity
       Jul 29, 2005 @ 09:11 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
18169. Re: [BoundaryPoint] answer to extra credit question
       yes this much is more or less obvious & tho it doesnt answer the actual extra credit question http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/18149 it is
       Jul 29, 2005 @ 12:32 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18170. re high seas jurisdiction
       ... sounds fishy to me also highly uneveryonese i believe there was some principle of this sort affecting the recently announced high tech maquiladoras in high
       Jul 29, 2005 @ 14:25 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18171. Re: [BoundaryPoint] answer to extra credit question
       ... Please remember that the USA has never parceled out its EEZ among the several states, much less the territories. Beyond the 3nm line (or the three-league
       Jul 29, 2005 @ 14:36 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
18172. Re: answer to extra credit question
       haha you so politely make it sound like i forgot the only thing actually needing to be remembered in this picture tho is the 3 league limits of puerto rico but
       Jul 29, 2005 @ 15:16 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18173. Re: [BoundaryPoint] answer to extra credit question
       ... The treaty with the US may only have been signed in 1993, but presumably the terms were negotiated for some time before that. The concept of EEZs was only
       Jul 29, 2005 @ 17:52 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
18174. everyones land was Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Cyprus - SBA Maritime Boundaries
       I ve read in several places that the UN headquarters in New York is international territory. Is this really true? Did the US cede sovereignty of that parcel to
       Jul 29, 2005 @ 19:39 - adamnvillani ("adamnvillani" <avillani@...>)
18175. Re: answer to extra credit question
       yes & tho these gbus negotiations actually began in 1980 or the same year anguilla got divorced from st kitts nevis the unclos regime of which this treaty is
       Jul 29, 2005 @ 20:15 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18176. everyones land was Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Cyprus - SBA Maritime Boundaries
       http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_headquarters has the distinction of claiming both that the site of united nations headquarters is united states territory &
       Jul 29, 2005 @ 20:43 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18177. Re: [BoundaryPoint] answer to extra credit question
       ... The future status of Anguilla had largely been negotiated by 1980, but it took until 1982 for the constitutional order to actually be passed by the Privy
       Jul 29, 2005 @ 20:35 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
18178. Re: everyones land
       ... As a matter of interest, what was there before the UN headquarters was built? Regards, Kevin Meynell
       Jul 29, 2005 @ 21:13 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
18179. [No Subject]
       This just in: Inuit, expats, foreigners weigh in as Canada-Denmark Internet war goes global By Alexander Panetta OTTAWA (CP) -- An Internet war between Canada
       Jul 29, 2005 @ 21:18 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
18180. Re: everyones land was Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Cyprus - SBA Maritime Boundaries
       Adam, It is fishy! See it debunked in BP message 14867 at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/14867 . Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana,
       Jul 29, 2005 @ 23:40 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
18181. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: everyones land
       It was 18 acres of private property belonging to many Americans. It was taken under eminent domain by the US federal government and sold to the UN. Lowell G.
       Jul 30, 2005 @ 02:00 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
18182. everyones land was Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Cyprus - SBA Maritime Boundaries
       If you read the US-UN HQ agreement (treaty), you ll see the grounds are still under US sovereignty. It s like the Panama Canal Zone situation was - the UN
       Jul 30, 2005 @ 13:51 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
18183. Re: answer to extra credit question
       Thought the following news report might interest those of you who have been musing on the boundaries of the BVI recently. I have actually been staying in the
       Jul 31, 2005 @ 19:07 - Martin Pratt ("Martin Pratt" <m.a.pratt@...>)
18184. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: answer to extra credit question
       sharp shooting & to the point there martin as well as on the spot so the aiusvg tripoint that was created internationally in the 1980gbus1994 treaty was based
       Jul 31, 2005 @ 20:24 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18185. Re: answer to extra credit question
       ... I haven t yet seen the text of the agreement but I d be surprised if it didn t confirm the provisional tripoint. I ll chase it up when I get back to the UK
       Jul 31, 2005 @ 23:02 - Martin Pratt ("Martin Pratt" <m.a.pratt@...>)
18186. last best hope of sudan reunion vanishes in kesdug area
       http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/07/31/international/i174658D11.DTL http://www.sudantribune.com/article.php3?id_article=10867
       Aug 01, 2005 @ 02:51 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18187. more about btcn if not the btcnin tripoints
       & here are some slight additional clarifications regarding the otherwise still quite mystifying btcn situation tho not necessarily any further details about
       Aug 01, 2005 @ 15:50 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18188. putumayo still a long shot even tho already isolated de facto
       fresh report http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4733923.stm going off at 9 to 1 odds in the new country & tripoint derby an independent putumayo however
       Aug 01, 2005 @ 23:36 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18189. more primo guerrilla theater from your friendly chiapas tripoints
       http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0802/p01s04-woam.html chuckles & betting odds holding steady tho __________________________________________________ Do You
       Aug 02, 2005 @ 18:09 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18190. late btcnin furor hosed by king
       http://www.ptinews.com/pti%5Cptisite.nsf/0/3FD87A4B10E89BF16525705100585F14?OpenDocument __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?
       Aug 02, 2005 @ 19:07 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18191. Canada-USA survey marker
       While waiting in line half way across the bridge between Campobello Island, New Brunswick and Lubec, Maine, I was able to walk to the exact border line between
       Aug 03, 2005 @ 02:39 - Brent ("Brent" <btaylor@...>)
18192. Corporation/company land enjoying sovereign status??
       Are there companies/corporations that have sovereign or quasi-sovereign status over a territory? (e.g. the United Fruit Company in Colombia or Shell in
       Aug 03, 2005 @ 07:06 - Seÿffffe1n O'Connell (=?iso-8859-1?q?Se=FFffffe1n=20O'Connell?= <gleannmaghair@...>)
18193. Re: Canada-USA survey marker
       welcome brent fortunately we now have a special fraternal site where all info relating to international borders & any objects found upon them is particularly
       Aug 03, 2005 @ 13:13 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18194. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Corporation/company land enjoying sovereign status??
       thanx sean & or seyffffe1n the idea of quasi sovereignty immediately calls the most important question what among all our multipointing & what in general
       Aug 03, 2005 @ 15:58 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18195. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Corporation/company land enjoying sovereign status??
       While not quite on the level that you suggest, there are some very curious public entities in Florida. As an accommodation to the building of Walt Disney
       Aug 03, 2005 @ 16:48 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
18196. tripoint albania montenegro kosovo as in serbia aka alcs2almoko
       tho it isnt clear if this party of 40 border peepers will be making a try for the tripoint itself this week nor if their advance photo is class d or e
       Aug 03, 2005 @ 20:54 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18197. Corporation/company land enjoying sovereign status??
       ... Maybe not anymore but Hudson Bay Co and East India Co, once did. There were many other Royal charter companies of French, British, Dutch (ie VOC), Danish
       Aug 04, 2005 @ 00:14 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
18198. Re: Corporation/company land enjoying sovereign status??
       ... and notably Portuguese, too (in Mozambique with a separate firm in Cabinda). LN ... quasi-sovereign ... There were
       Aug 04, 2005 @ 03:02 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
18199. Re: last best hope of sudan reunion vanishes in kesdug area
       http://www.pinr.com/report.php?ac=view_report&report_id=340&language_id=1 suggests the initial interpretation of events attached below was right on tho the
       Aug 04, 2005 @ 10:51 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18200. fresh tries afoot
       oops i just realized my previous post may seem a danse macabre but i am pleased to cover it with this living news of my imminent departure sans flotation for
       Aug 04, 2005 @ 13:06 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18201. Dear Aletheiak
       Dear Aletheiak: Please be more specific. Is it that you want the pages that the message/address(es) indicates and/or links to? Sincerely, HT P.S. I m sorry for
       Aug 04, 2005 @ 22:30 - viettrade.net ("viettrade.net" <viettrade_net@...>)
18202. Liechtenstein and Büsingen
       Bien di Boundary Point Amitgs ed Amitgas I have just returned from a month-long holiday in Switzerland where I sequestered myself in a Graubünden valley,
       Aug 05, 2005 @ 15:18 - Craig ("Craig" <trehala@...>)
18203. winooski vt
       once truly at large & on the loose finding the internet at all just to post the fresh report of ones adventures can be way more challenging than finding any
       Aug 05, 2005 @ 18:35 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18204. Re: Dear Aletheiak
       ok thanx hanh anything that you find particularly interesting would be fine but the most important thing to all of us here would be the tripoints whether of
       Aug 05, 2005 @ 19:11 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18205. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Liechtenstein and Büsingen
       Thank you for this interesting report from one of our most favored areas. I believe that boundary stone nr 1 at the southwest corner of LI is actually on the
       Aug 05, 2005 @ 20:42 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
18206. fresh tripoint tries continued from grand isle vt
       well we pored over all the metes & bounds & our limited mental maps all day & half the night & tried to reconstruct a clear image of the trijunction if any
       Aug 06, 2005 @ 15:32 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18207. unexpectedly cream hill again
       so to continue i drifted off from grand isle yesterday overland http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=18&n=4954487&e=637909&s=250&size=l&datum=nad83&layer=DRG100
       Aug 07, 2005 @ 16:19 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18208. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Liechtenstein and Büsingen
       yes indeed mats & craig too & where there is a stone number 2 there is almost always a stone number 1 & often even a stone number 0 also please consider at
       Aug 07, 2005 @ 18:00 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18209. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Digest Number 1871
       In a message dated 8/7/05 1:51:14 PM, BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com writes: Hey Mike,
       Aug 07, 2005 @ 18:26 - spookymike@aol.com (spookymike@...)
18210. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Digest Number 1871
       thanx mike enjoyed your reports & admired your entire cohp amusement park nice going i see you were under a mile from my grand isle place too literally
       Aug 07, 2005 @ 19:42 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18211. buesingen
       Yes it is an enclave. The land on each side of the river gets half the river that it fronts. Thus where the two banks are Swiss, the entire river is Swiss.
       Aug 07, 2005 @ 23:38 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
18212. news flash egilps oddsgiving in swan dive
       are you ready for the worlds first tripoint triborder crossing
       Aug 08, 2005 @ 19:32 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18213. news flash egilps oddsgiving in swan dive
       are you ready for the worlds first tripoint triborder crossing
       Aug 08, 2005 @ 19:30 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18214. bggrtr swims again
       http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=51016 & btw did anyone ever learn whether the bggrtr marker on kavak island there actually marks the legal tripoint or
       Aug 09, 2005 @ 15:39 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18215. cninmm aka inne class d or e
       http://bameduniya.tripod.com/NENWphotos/index.album?i=22 http://bameduniya.tripod.com/NENWphotos/index.album?i=21
       Aug 09, 2005 @ 21:06 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18216. marcos emerges from jungle after 4 years for another victory tour
       impact on any chiapas independence & new tripoint prospects etc is imponderable but http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N06265652.htm
       Aug 10, 2005 @ 03:39 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18217. 1656 bound rock with ghost tripoint claim & perhaps beyond
       still attending to some funny business here on cream hill this week but am preparing to make a pilgrimage next week to the oldest surely confirmed working
       Aug 10, 2005 @ 22:34 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18218. Not an enclave but a small part of the swiss territory - M aienbühl, east of Basel, Basel Stadt Kanton
       Hello all ! Just some picture about a small part aof the swiss territory. It s not an enclave but it is a great place and an pleasant ballad. Photo were taken
       Aug 11, 2005 @ 11:02 - Romain HODAPP ("Romain HODAPP" <romain_hodapp@yahoo.fr>)
18219. the ongoing quest for the oldest working rock in america
       so with the new hampshirean bound rock pretty well dated to 1657 or 1656 the question remains where in america is the purportedly older working boundary marker
       Aug 11, 2005 @ 16:04 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18220. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Not an enclave but a small part of the swiss territory - Maienbühl, east of Basel, Basel Stadt Kanton
       bravo romain multidimensionally nice play & right on the kisser ... Symphorien;Longeville-lès-Metz;Moselle;F-57050;LORRAINE ...
       Aug 11, 2005 @ 16:04 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18221. atchlis
       romain about your plans to visit the southerly austria liechtenstein switzerland tripoint mentioned in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/borderpoint/message/73
       Aug 11, 2005 @ 18:02 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18222. Re: [BoundaryPoint] atchlis
       Hi aletheia ! Thanks for your indications. I hope I will have time to go in september. I will finish my studies abouth the 15th of september and then I will
       Aug 12, 2005 @ 08:51 - Romain HODAPP ("Romain HODAPP" <romain_hodapp@...>)
18223. why are girlfriend smugglers ordered to stay with their mothers
       http://www.bangornews.com/news/templates/?a=118084 this irrelevant if curious item & question might be more pertinent at borderpoint than here at boundarypoint
       Aug 13, 2005 @ 15:01 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18224. Re: news flash egilps or eggzil oddsgiving in swan dive
       another curious news item here not at all confirming the previous one about a projected egilps triborder crossing but suggesting rather that an egps or eggz
       Aug 13, 2005 @ 15:55 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18225. stunningly close if elusive gnlrsl try at borderpoint tonite
       http://groups.yahoo.com/group/borderpoint/message/75 & 76 advances play by reaching the makona river for the first time & is certainly roaming about within the
       Aug 14, 2005 @ 00:10 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18226. at large again
       ok jc & i are on the road down cream hill as soon as i post this aiming first to visit probably the oldest working rocks in america which were recently
       Aug 14, 2005 @ 08:21 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18227. liberty me
       visited both the oldest working rock in america candidates yesterday at the plymouth plantation boundary with massachusetts bay colony we were on the oldest
       Aug 15, 2005 @ 15:31 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18228. Jack Parsell
       Hi all: I m looking for Jack s current email. Or Jack... if you re reading this, can you drop me a line? Cheers! Doug
       Aug 16, 2005 @ 17:21 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
18229. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Jack Parsell
       Hi Doug, Current address is jparsell@twcny.rr.com I have been following all of your adventures and wishing I could have been with you. Regards, Jack ...
       Aug 16, 2005 @ 21:56 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
18230. brooksville me
       my favorite seafood stand hereabouts is situated at the fantastic reversing falls of the bagaduce river & i was amazed to notice just yesterday after many
       Aug 17, 2005 @ 15:56 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18231. blue hill me
       yesterdays try for the tripoint of the towns of blue hill & penobscot & sedgwick fell shy of the mark owing to intervening private property & an impatient
       Aug 18, 2005 @ 21:30 - m donner ("m donner" <maxivan82@...>)
18232. millerton ny
       more silly business at cream hill has unexpectedly blown us back to the greater ctmany tristate area again but not before our second pass at blpese in maine
       Aug 20, 2005 @ 17:25 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18233. canaan ct
       for reasons too complicated & irrelevant to mention my triumphal return from blue hill to cream hill has now been delayed til at least saturday so i must
       Aug 22, 2005 @ 22:04 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18234. Madha, Nahwa, and Musandam peninsula
       Hello, does anybody know how exactly the enclaves of Madha and Nahwa as well as the Musandam peninsula coastal enclave emerged around 1969-1971? What were the
       Aug 23, 2005 @ 10:36 - Evgeny Vinokurov ("Evgeny Vinokurov" <evgeny@...>)
18235. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Madha, Nahwa, and Musandam peninsula
       Some info. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madha Jesper _____ Fra: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com] På vegne af Evgeny
       Aug 23, 2005 @ 15:42 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18236. an extreme lapse of trypointing technique & other reflections
       tho i realized full well even while still present in the menh turnpoint vicinity on saturday that there were sufficient indications in the bible for me to test
       Aug 23, 2005 @ 15:55 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18237. Hello Boundary Pointers!!
       Having just discovered this list and joined up I thought I should introduce myself. I have been fascinated by boundaries and borders, especially oddities like
       Aug 23, 2005 @ 18:55 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18238. Where is this German exclave in Belgium?
       At http://www.borderlandtv.com/german_enclave_example.jpg Doug Murray shows a very nice map - I have been trying to figure out where this is by looking at
       Aug 23, 2005 @ 19:26 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18239. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Where is this German exclave in Belgium?
       Our good friend Jan Krogh has lots of info on his site: http://home.no.net/enklaver/vennbahn.htm Welcome! Doug
       Aug 23, 2005 @ 22:09 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
18240. Detailed Vennbahn maps - German exclaves in B
       They re at exclave.info - look under Vennbahn http://exclave.info/current/vennbahn/vennbahnRR.html LN ... Murray ... this is
       Aug 24, 2005 @ 00:27 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
18241. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Detailed Vennbahn maps - German exclaves in B
       Thank you to both Doug and LN These are perfect Cheers Hugh _____ From: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of L. A.
       Aug 24, 2005 @ 02:07 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18242. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Hello Boundary Pointers!!
       Be advised, A3 Koln-Frankfurt, is notorius for staus (traffic jams). Might want to consider not travelling during morning or evening rush hour times. Hugh
       Aug 24, 2005 @ 06:54 - Glen Bowman (Glen Bowman <glenbowman2@...>)
18243. Re: Where is this German exclave in Belgium?
       PLEASE NOTICE - GEOSITE IS NOW ON http://geosite.jankrogh.com and the Vennbahn article is now on http://geosite.jankrogh.com/vennbahn.htm The home.no site is
       Aug 24, 2005 @ 11:32 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
18244. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Hello Boundary Pointers!!
       Thanks Glen Since I would be traversing this route early-mid afternoon hopefully this would not be too bad. OTOH would I be better offf taking the A61, A60 and
       Aug 24, 2005 @ 11:40 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18245. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Where is this German exclave in Belgium?
       Thanks Jan Does anyone happen to know which road is passing under the railway in the picture at http://exclave.info/current/vennbahn/vennbahn-pene.jpg -
       Aug 24, 2005 @ 11:59 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18246. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Where is this German exclave in Belgium?
       I do believe that is Doug and Jesper on the bridge in Belgium. And the little red van of the GCEBE expedition (ah... memories... ) below in Germany. Almost 4
       Aug 24, 2005 @ 14:36 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
18247. Dubki forever
       Hello everybody, There was a question whether Dubki, the Russian enclave in Estonia, had not been dealt with by the recent Russian-Estonian border treaty. I
       Aug 24, 2005 @ 15:10 - Evgeny Vinokurov ("Evgeny Vinokurov" <evgeny@...>)
18248. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Where is this German exclave in Belgium
       Hugh, see the attached map, derived from a 1:50.000-map. Vriendelijke groet, Eef Berns ... websites: - de grenspalen van Nederland: www.grenspalen.nl -
       Aug 24, 2005 @ 16:51 - eefberns@grenspalen.nl (<eefberns@grenspalen.nl>)
18249. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Where is this German exclave in Belgium?
       I wish I had been there :) Do you remember exactly where on the railway line that bridge lies? The reason this picture interests me so much is that it has
       Aug 24, 2005 @ 18:29 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18250. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Where is this German exclave in Belgium?
       Should be at Mützenich ( http://geosite.jankrogh.com/enklaver/vennbahn/muetzenich.jpg), but as
       Aug 24, 2005 @ 20:31 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18251. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Where is this German exclave in Belgium?
       Thanks Jesper Having done some more poking around I suspect it is the same as here http://tinyurl.com/97ywp - there are a number of photos taken from the
       Aug 24, 2005 @ 20:48 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18252. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Where is this German exclave in Belgium?
       Does look familiar. But access to the bridge was easier from the western side of the bridge. Jesper _____ Fra: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
       Aug 24, 2005 @ 20:58 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18253. Re: Hello Boundary Pointers!!
       welcome hugh your interest in multipointing tho extremely rare in the world at large is greatly appreciated here at bp where tripoints & tripointing are not at
       Aug 25, 2005 @ 14:41 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18254. yikes another disabled copter narrowly misses a tripoint landing
       the attached recent report of a near bulls eye at kesdug is now matched by this probably even closer & much luckier one from greater azbcca
       Aug 26, 2005 @ 13:27 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18255. New Mexico governor seeks to raze Mexican border town
       From Silver City Sun-News Richardson to press for razing of Las Chepas By By Louie Gilot and Walter Rubel/For the Sun-News Aug 23, 2005, 12:01 am New Mexico
       Aug 26, 2005 @ 16:48 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <w1wh@...>)
18256. millerton ny again
       cream hill being still occupied by its owners my homecoming there will be further delayed til at least monday so the fresh trypointing pix i have been
       Aug 27, 2005 @ 15:06 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18257. oldest working rocks in america
       back on cream hill at last so attached herewith are the long promised pix first a partial view of bound rock the natural rock that marks the seabrook & hampton
       Aug 29, 2005 @ 02:18 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
18258. menh turnpoint at head of salmon falls river
       more pix from recent outing first is menh marker 1 near the left bank of the salmon falls river covered by my dog eared copy of the bus&ss bible & marking
       Aug 29, 2005 @ 02:20 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
18259. Fwd: everyones land
       this critical evaluation of everyones land from our valued lurker deserwest arrived in my mailbox recently while i was afield my comments are added at the end
       Aug 29, 2005 @ 16:55 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18260. first known legal entry into usa at a tripoint namely mxus2bccamx
       http://www.freenewmexican.com/news/31869.html human cannonball overflight photo looks to be more or less exactly where the mexican federal maritime & littoral
       Aug 30, 2005 @ 01:02 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18261. Re: Where is this German exclave in Belgium?
       This goes back to the discussions we had earlier this year about sovereignty always or not always being vertical, extending to the heavens and to the center of
       Aug 30, 2005 @ 01:48 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
18262. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Where is this German exclave in Belgium?
       So when does the border change direction? The air below the bridge or at the bridge? Jesper _____ Fra: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
       Aug 30, 2005 @ 05:15 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18263. Questions Re: first known legal entry into usa at a tripoint ..., etc.
       Hi! I am new here, and on the borderpoint list. So maybe that s why I don t see how this human cannonball can be flying over a tripoint. What kind of a
       Aug 30, 2005 @ 15:27 - jimvandura ("jimvandura" <jimvandura@...>)
18264. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Questions Re: first known legal entry into usa at a tripoint ..., etc.
       The tripoint perspective of the human cannonball story relates (vaguely) to the fact that the several states of the Mexican union stop somewhere around or
       Aug 30, 2005 @ 16:25 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
18265. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Questions Re: first known legal entry into usa at a tripoint ..., etc.
       Lowell: How did you make out in the hurricane? The pictures are frightening! Cheers! Doug
       Aug 30, 2005 @ 16:28 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
18266. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Questions Re: first known legal entry into usa at a tripoint ..., etc.
       Doug, Thanks for your concern. I m fine. I m on the western edge of Louisiana next to Texas. It was a pleasantly breezy day here, partly cloudy with no rain.
       Aug 30, 2005 @ 16:51 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
18267. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Questions Re: first known legal entry into usa at a tripoint ..., etc.
       ... thanx for answering this so well in general tho it is not at all vaguely but precisely 20 meters above the visible high tide line where the nominally
       Aug 30, 2005 @ 18:12 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18268. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Questions Re: first known legal entry into usa at a tripoint ..., etc.
       Thanks, Mike, for the specifics on the Mexican Federal Zone. I intentionally left the vagaries vague in my description because I didn t know the exact
       Aug 30, 2005 @ 19:59 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
18269. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Questions Re: first known legal entry into usa at a tripoint ..., etc.
       Mike D., Can you tell us precisely where in Mexican law is the specification of the boundary 20 meters inland of the high-tide line, and the extinction of
       Aug 30, 2005 @ 21:40 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
18270. Questions Re: first known legal entry into usa at a tripoint ..., etc.
       ... article 4 here http://portal.semarnat.gob.mx/marco_juridico/reglamentos/mar.shtml ... article 27 here http://www.ordenjuridico.gob.mx/Constitucion/cn16.pdf
       Aug 30, 2005 @ 22:59 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18271. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Where is this German exclave in Belgium?
       Nobody I ve ever contacted in towns in the area knows. The treaty says the track bed - how deep does that go? To a depth immediately below the rocks laying
       Aug 31, 2005 @ 02:50 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
18272. tripoint issues in maritime boundary delimitation
       http://eprints.law.duke.edu/archive/00001122/01/Int l_Maritime_Boundaries_3305_(2005).pdf __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?
       Aug 31, 2005 @ 10:47 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18273. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Where is this German exclave in Belgium?
       So please bear with me while I summarise some of the input I have received from this wonderfully interesting group of people, whom I am glad to have discovered
       Aug 31, 2005 @ 13:40 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18274. an historical account of the creation of the north african tripoints
       http://arabworld.nitle.org/texts.php?module_id=4&reading_id=119&print=1 ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make
       Aug 31, 2005 @ 16:11 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18275. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Questions Re: first known legal entry into usa at a tripoint ..., etc.
       I have studied the portions of the Mexican Constitution and the 1991 legislation regarding the Federal Maritime Land Zone. Thanks, Mike, for the specific
       Aug 31, 2005 @ 16:46 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
18276. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Questions Re: first known legal entry into usa at a tripoint ..., etc.
       you may be right lowell & the site is down at the moment so i cant check the text but what i think this law really says or at least really means is the federal
       Aug 31, 2005 @ 18:56 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18277. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Questions Re: first known legal entry into usa at a tripoint ..., etc.
       Good questions! I rather suspect that the boundary between the state jurisdictions and the federal sea is as vague as are many of the boundaries between
       Aug 31, 2005 @ 19:40 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
18278. Questions Re: first known legal entry into usa at a tripoint ..., etc.
       hahahaha if you think the mexicans are vague get a load of the papua new guineans http://www.thenational.com.pg/0901/column6.htm
       Sep 01, 2005 @ 00:41 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18279. Re: Where is this German exclave in Belgium?
       Dear Hugh, Glad you enjoy our company. De jure, we don t have answers. I have the treaty, and by the end of the first week of Sept, I ll try to email you
       Sep 01, 2005 @ 00:57 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
18280. algrmk is reportedly marked by a white buoy
       first known tripoint visit by olympic torch relay & first known visit highlighted by fireworks display too
       Sep 01, 2005 @ 02:15 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18281. Re: [BoundaryPoint] algrmk is reportedly marked by a white buoy
       was this buoy your doing mile as promised in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/825 & do you have that photo for us or is this it here
       Sep 01, 2005 @ 02:36 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18282. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Where is this German exclave in Belgium?
       It’s true that road surface change can be a good indicator of a boundary, but as you say sharing or outsourcing does happen. But we have also seen signs,
       Sep 01, 2005 @ 05:22 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18283. SV: [BoundaryPoint] algrmk is reportedly marked by a white buoy
       The photo is taken from the last MK village http://sunsite.berkeley.edu:8085/albania/50k/11-34-114-2.jpg So even ALMK is far. Jesper _____ Fra:
       Sep 01, 2005 @ 05:27 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18284. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] algrmk is reportedly marked by a white buoy
       aha thanx so that would be konsko or hopefully the shore or point just to its northeast all still some 10 km nne of algrmk & the white buoy your pic is
       Sep 01, 2005 @ 15:36 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18285. Re: Dubki forever but eelvru still slippery
       well it is academic now http://www.tass.ru/eng/level2.html?NewsID=2371653&PageNum=0 seeing as nothing has changed & nothing has been nor will have been
       Sep 01, 2005 @ 17:43 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18286. SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] algrmk is reportedly marked by a white buoy
       The closeup photo is actually taken further north and before reaching the shore. It’s is just zoomed in. Another GSEEBE has no be undertaken sometime in the
       Sep 02, 2005 @ 05:17 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18287. Re: SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] algrmk is reportedly marked by a white buoy
       ... ok but you realize it is the wrong angle & not the changed distance or zoom factor that makes this one a closeup miss rather than a closeup hit it is just
       Sep 02, 2005 @ 10:38 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18288. eggzil tripoint border crossing plan advances
       last 5 paragraphs http://www.startribune.com/stories/484/5593025.html ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it
       Sep 02, 2005 @ 10:47 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18289. re latest on hr tps bacshrn bacshrs cshuru & hrhusi
       http://groups.yahoo.com/group/borderpoint/message/151 hahahahaha may have little interest to anybody but me & boundarypoint you mean & please let us have ccs
       Sep 02, 2005 @ 17:27 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18290. berkshire perfection ensemble try resumes tonite
       another continuation of my try to visit all 44 of the municipal tripoints of berkshire county massachusetts that began with message 17364 & has continued
       Sep 02, 2005 @ 23:39 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18291. fresh berkshire tripointing report part 1
       for anyone who is in a hurry the short form for this & my following messages is that over the past 2 full days of fairly exhausting play i only managed to eke
       Sep 05, 2005 @ 02:29 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18292. fresh berkshire tripointing report part 2
       reference map again http://www.berkshireweb.com/themap/index.html the next point in the sequence was chdawi or cheshire dalton windsor
       Sep 05, 2005 @ 15:18 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18293. why mah or part 3
       after waking up in the church parking lot in adams mass yesterday still weary & stiff & a bit roughed up by all the previous days veggies i wondered while
       Sep 05, 2005 @ 21:09 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
18294. no longer so fresh berkshire tripointing report conclusion
       so while celebrating my attainment of half perfection twice on sunday high within the lightbulb tower on mount greylock by trying to choose the top hoozits on
       Sep 06, 2005 @ 15:02 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18295. CSHURO-close up
       With and without hat -- Borderbase - your online guide to international borders and tripoints http://www.nicolette.dk/borderbase
       Sep 07, 2005 @ 21:26 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
18296. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CSHURO-close up
       ... er what hat would that be such a mystery hmm the 2 pix do make the top face look slightly different tho so does this mean you actually dismantled the
       Sep 07, 2005 @ 23:54 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18297. Anyone read Arabic?
       If anyone can read Arabic, please contact me privately. I need three words read from a photograph. Thanks, Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA
       Sep 08, 2005 @ 03:14 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
18298. arbrpy improvement
       http://www.isabm.com/crossings.jpg ______________________________________________________ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.
       Sep 09, 2005 @ 01:28 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18299. us2pa3cehumi aka trico point center huntingdon mifflin
       http://www4.esm.psu.edu/ames/prsp_march16th/images/P3162107.JPG from http://www4.esm.psu.edu/ames/prsp_march16th/
       Sep 09, 2005 @ 02:17 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18300. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CSHURO-close up
       This monument is a 3-sided pyramid. Groeten en suc6 Harry ten Veen ... From: aletheia kallos
       Sep 09, 2005 @ 20:12 - Harry ten Veen (Harry ten Veen <h.ten.veen@...>)
18301. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CSHURO-close up
       thanx harry i eventually realized this too when rolfs excellent pic was added at borderpoint but glad to hear from you & great to have this clarification in
       Sep 09, 2005 @ 21:45 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18302. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CSHURO-close up
       Hi, i think that what Jesper refers to is the tile on top of the monument. It is laying loose on top, probably because the cement was of a bad quality. So it
       Sep 10, 2005 @ 11:57 - Harry ten Veen (Harry ten Veen <h.ten.veen@...>)
18303. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CSHURO-close up
       aha great thanx & what a fine discovery so i think the left pic shows the true tripoint cshuro at or near the small dark spot in the center
       Sep 10, 2005 @ 12:53 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18304. & archaeo becomes neo as us2nc3grwawi returns 8000 feet ene
       news item http://www.wilsondaily.com/Wil_region/Local_News/291350553596685.php the triangle & tripoint displacement can be easily visualized here
       Sep 10, 2005 @ 13:29 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18305. Re: [BoundaryPoint] & archaeo becomes neo as us2nc3grwawi returns 8000 feet ene
       ... http://www.wilsondaily.com/Wil_region/Local_News/291350553596685.php ...
       Sep 10, 2005 @ 14:32 - jim van dura (jim van dura <jimvandura@...>)
18306. Re: [BoundaryPoint] & archaeo becomes neo as us2nc3grwawi returns 8000 feet ene
       In fact, it seems to me, your whole premise is wrong, too. As I visualize this -- whatever the fate of the bridge and the other points I have raised -- the
       Sep 10, 2005 @ 16:04 - jim van dura (jim van dura <jimvandura@...>)
18307. Re: [BoundaryPoint] & archaeo becomes neo as us2nc3grwawi returns 8000 feet ene
       jimmy my dear van you are looking absolutely right on all counts i do agree & will call the county manager first thing monday morning to find out what has
       Sep 10, 2005 @ 16:19 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18308. Re: [BoundaryPoint] & archaeo becomes neo as us2nc3grwawi returns 8000 feet ene
       ... er I didn t but it was Detroit! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection
       Sep 10, 2005 @ 16:23 - jim van dura (jim van dura <jimvandura@...>)
18309. Re: [BoundaryPoint] & archaeo becomes neo as us2nc3grwawi returns 8000 feet ene
       Here s the statute affirming the plat of the resurvey: www.ncga.state.nc.us/Sessions/2005/Bills/House/HTML/H476v3.html . The new boundary is the centerline of
       Sep 10, 2005 @ 17:12 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
18310. Re: & archaeo becomes neo as us2nc3grwawi returns 8000 feet ene
       thanxx great find & great question both so together you guys are already sharpshooting to the 4th power on this one i cant fail to call the county now maybe
       Sep 10, 2005 @ 18:27 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18311. Iron Curtain still present in Europe
       I just read this article on Telepolis: http://www.heise.de/tp/r4/artikel/20/20910/1.html
       Sep 11, 2005 @ 18:10 - Michael Kallweitt ("Michael Kallweitt" <m.kallweitt@...>)
18312. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Iron Curtain still present in Europe
       My banner at Borderbase ( http://www.nicolette.dk/borderbase) is from Szelmenc or Slemence. Search Slemence on google and
       Sep 11, 2005 @ 18:51 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18313. Re: Iron Curtain still present in Europe
       ... welcome michael & besides borderbase may i suggest ccing our companion group borderpoint http://groups.yahoo.com/group/borderpoint on this & any other
       Sep 11, 2005 @ 19:00 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18314. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Iron Curtain still present in Europe
       ... Would it be correct that only 7 tripoints of all these surviving countries will be included in this new Iron Curtain Trail?
       Sep 11, 2005 @ 19:30 - jim van dura (jim van dura <jimvandura@...>)
18315. Re: Iron Curtain still present in Europe
       ... it may well be correct or incorrect jim but the projected route of the trail that is mentioned here is in any case purely fantastic & not clearly
       Sep 11, 2005 @ 23:43 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18316. Llívia Enclave - 2005-09-10 - trip report now available
       You can visit http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/Llivia/ - or http://tinyurl.com/9sjth for short - if you want my trip report on the Llívia
       Sep 12, 2005 @ 12:45 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18317. could a definitive cnkzru & marker be far behind
       fresh news item http://www.inform.kz/txt/showarticle.php?lang=eng&id=136100 indeed little to nothing has even been whispered of this historically elusive
       Sep 12, 2005 @ 12:54 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18318. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Llívia Enclave - 2005-09-10 - trip report now available
       thanx hugh for including boundarypoint on this fresh report from the field while trypointing in spain i am elated to see you not only voting with your feet but
       Sep 12, 2005 @ 13:20 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18319. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Llívia Enclave - 2005-09-10 - tr ip report now available
       You re right - I meant to say esoteric Now - the BoundaryPoint description says: BoundaryPoint is an international open discussion list for pointers and
       Sep 12, 2005 @ 14:13 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18320. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Llívia Enclave - 2005-09-10 - trip report now available
       thanx again hugh you are quite right & i am glad you mentioned our good old bp description which is admittedly far more confusing than it needs to be mainly
       Sep 12, 2005 @ 17:13 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18321. RE: [borderpoint] Re: Spanish provincial tripoint marker... or not
       Hello Peter and Jimmy I have visited this tripoint and you can find the results of my visit documented at http://tinyurl.com/baglc I have copied this to
       Sep 12, 2005 @ 17:37 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18322. [No Subject]
       BACSHRN treaty map -- Borderbase - your online guide to international borders and tripoints http://www.nicolette.dk/borderbase
       Sep 12, 2005 @ 17:54 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
18323. Re: [BoundaryPoint] RE: [borderpoint] Re: Spanish provincial tripoint marker... or not
       Beautifully done, Hugh! We thought there might be two mojones, and here you have brought us a third! Nice to see they have no sense of direction too! But did
       Sep 12, 2005 @ 18:42 - jim van dura (jim van dura <jimvandura@...>)
18324. awesome baby thanx
       do you imagine point t stands for thalweg & what would the trifinial diagram look like i still cant figure out which country is where yet ...
       Sep 12, 2005 @ 19:01 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18325. RE: [BoundaryPoint] RE: [borderpoint] Re: Spanish provincial tripoint marker... or not
       The mojon I photoed is the same one that is pictured at http://www.albaiges.com/historia/historiatresreyes.htm so I don t quite understand the comment about
       Sep 12, 2005 @ 18:56 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18326. SV: [BoundaryPoint] awesome baby thanx
       T stands for Tromeda (tripoint) _____ Fra: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com] På vegne af aletheia kallos Sendt: 12.
       Sep 12, 2005 @ 19:26 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18327. RE: [BoundaryPoint] RE: [borderpoint] Re: Spanish provincial tripoint marker... or not
       bravissimos & vivas from me too hugh & i agree you must have arcala the second one right & that jimmy is confused but i also agree with him about arcllo the
       Sep 12, 2005 @ 19:46 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18328. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] awesome baby thanx
       haha well i figured that might have gone without saying but was just wondering if the thalweg was specified in the treaty & or by this letter choice insofar as
       Sep 12, 2005 @ 21:04 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18329. RE: [BoundaryPoint] RE: [borderpoint] Re: Spanish provincial tripoint marker... or not
       ... necessarily mean that the legal position of the tripoint adjacent to the railway & shown on the best available & current official maps has also been
       Sep 12, 2005 @ 23:49 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18330. RE: [BoundaryPoint] RE: [borderpoint] Re: Spanish provincial tripoint marker... or not
       understood but official map evidence generally trumps all other data unless it is proved wrong by onsite investigation or by better official data such as the
       Sep 13, 2005 @ 00:34 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18331. Re: news flash egilps or eggzil oddsgiving in swan dive
       & still diving or soaring as the case may be http://about.upi.com/products/upi_scitech/UPI-20050912-044713-8421R odds against an independent gaza becoming the
       Sep 13, 2005 @ 00:46 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18332. RE: [BoundaryPoint] RE: [borderpoint] Re: Spanish provincial tripoint marker... or not
       I think you just said the same as what I said when I said When I reached the appropriate spot on the road I searched around for any kind of marker some
       Sep 13, 2005 @ 05:10 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18333. RE: [BoundaryPoint] RE: [borderpoint] Re: Spanish provincial tripoint marker... or not
       ... whoops misunderstanding in process for i didnt mean some distance in either direction generally but rather specifically in accordance with this best
       Sep 13, 2005 @ 12:45 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18334. Re: Map of Estcourt
       Hello, I just created a Yahoo! Group on Estcourt Station, Maine. There is i topo map there. http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/estcourt_station I went there a
       Sep 13, 2005 @ 14:22 - David ("David " <dav2z@...>)
18335. Re: Map of Estcourt
       great idea thanx & please let our international border lovers at the yahoo borderpoint group know of this too
       Sep 13, 2005 @ 14:28 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18336. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Map of Estcourt
       Great job, David! And do come visit us at BorderPoint. Doug ... Doug Murray Productions/Border Films sounds+images+words Vancouver, BC Canada +1.604.728.1407
       Sep 13, 2005 @ 15:32 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
18337. Re: Map of Estcourt
       A so particular place deserves its own group! After lots of research on the net for text, pictures, and even a visit there, the group was ready for set up...
       Sep 13, 2005 @ 16:03 - David ("David " <dav2z@...>)
18338. BACSHRs document
       BACSHRs tripoint document + BACSHRs map bought from HR in 2002. -- Borderbase - your online guide to international borders and tripoints
       Sep 13, 2005 @ 19:08 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
18339. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BACSHRs document
       still they are state of the art here now & very nice to have both in their own right & for comparison indeed they have just helped me notice on the similar map
       Sep 13, 2005 @ 20:23 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18340. djeret try leader calls the rest of the party pathetic
       on an otherwise slow news day in the world of global multipointing comes this shocking remark
       Sep 14, 2005 @ 16:36 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18341. cninpk try leader by contrast offers breakthrough proposal
       would accept satpix in lieu of deal breaking troop position maps http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1491683,00050001.htm
       Sep 14, 2005 @ 17:24 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18342. [borderpoint] Re: Spanish provincial tripoint marker... or not
       & let me add speaking to hugh & everyone else who has helped with these lovely tries i have just caught up with this addition to them at our better half aka bp
       Sep 14, 2005 @ 20:19 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18343. cnin tripoint 6pack try advances dramatically
       we have heard all this fuss before http://indiamonitor.com/news/readNews.jsp?ni=8682 but now a complete resolution of all 3 sectors of cnin is moving at the
       Sep 15, 2005 @ 14:07 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18344. Re: [BoundaryPoint] us2pa3cehumi aka trico point center huntingdon mifflin
       In a message dated 9/9/05 5:01:31 PM, BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com writes:
       Sep 15, 2005 @ 21:07 - spookymike@aol.com (spookymike@...)
18345. Some tripoints, borders and geocaches
       There is now a record available of my trip yesterday where I visited some tripoints, the Vennbahn and some other border crossings, found 5 geocaches in 5
       Sep 15, 2005 @ 21:32 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18346. Re: Some tripoints, borders and geocaches
       nice thanx & what a goose it is to see such authoritative looking yet actually mistaken guidance to the alleged bedelu tripoint which we have previously
       Sep 15, 2005 @ 22:21 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18347. Re: [BoundaryPoint] us2pa3cehumi aka trico point center huntingdon mifflin
       interesting one mike & easily visualized by just panning east once in fact it looks like your mifflin highpoint is even closer to another tripoint than this
       Sep 16, 2005 @ 00:26 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18348. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Some tripoints, borders and geocaches
       er - I think I said BEDELU was a triline actually _____ From: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of aletheiak Sent:
       Sep 16, 2005 @ 00:42 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18349. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Some tripoints, borders and geocaches
       yes i am sure you did & thats very good but this presentation of bedelu as a single tripoint is hilariously wrong
       Sep 16, 2005 @ 05:53 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18350. bedelu corrections
       ... & so was my sydlexic analysis of the triline made while under its spell for the true triline is just the reverse or mirror image of what i said here below
       Sep 16, 2005 @ 07:03 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18351. RE: [BoundaryPoint] bedelu corrections
       The nominal (or virtual ) BEDELU tripoint midstream is there to fool the uninititated who do not have the benefit of enjoying the company of those on this
       Sep 16, 2005 @ 12:16 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18352. RE: [BoundaryPoint] bedelu corrections
       Bear in mind that on German topomaps a conventional midriver border is shown as well. Jesper ... the uninititated who do not have the benefit of enjoying the
       Sep 16, 2005 @ 12:58 - jesniel@image.dk (jesniel@...)
18353. RE: [BoundaryPoint] bedelu corrections
       I think it s all a conspiracy :) :) ... From: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jesniel@image.dk Sent: Friday,
       Sep 16, 2005 @ 13:09 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18354. RE: [BoundaryPoint] bedelu corrections
       haha & even we who have our company are often fooled which is what makes our peculiar pursuit such endless fun & always building & improving for example
       Sep 16, 2005 @ 13:34 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18355. eggzil try & 3way border cross plan in chaos with egil wide open
       http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5282858,00.html http://www.cjp.org/content_display.html?ArticleID=163278
       Sep 16, 2005 @ 14:24 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18356. latest american try updates
       just the highlights from cream hill we havent had anything nearly so glamorous going on lately in the world of tripointing on this side of the pond as you all
       Sep 16, 2005 @ 18:59 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18357. well here is something american this week after all
       http://www.newsocialist.org/index.php?id=476 which i offer not so much because it mentions arbrpy since that is fairly perfunctory but because of its bearing
       Sep 16, 2005 @ 20:10 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18358. hot coksok pursuit in progress for 3 years yet still elusive
       shades of the cshuro huroyu hat & in fairness these are geocachers rather than tripoint cachers
       Sep 17, 2005 @ 14:36 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18359. Re: [borderpoint] Various border documents for my 7 year honeymoon trip
       ... Why? Who said signing a treaty makes a country happy? ... As you say, there are no ESMO border agreements. And that means theirs are de facto, rather than
       Sep 17, 2005 @ 19:06 - jim van dura (jim van dura <jimvandura@...>)
18360. allegedly punctilious gnlrsl visit celebrated with animal sacrifices & feasting
       vows of solidarity too http://www.usaid.gov/sl/sl_democracy/news/050420_kissisinkoindu/ 5th paragraph
       Sep 18, 2005 @ 03:15 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18361. RE: [BoundaryPoint] hot coksok pursuit in progress for 3 years yet still elusive
       I won t even try to defend my fellow geocachers when it comes to issues of tripoints since I doubt many, if any, appreciate some of the finer points of
       Sep 18, 2005 @ 03:36 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18362. highly plausible iljosy photo try tho still of unknown accuracy
       http://www.worldisround.com/articles/16078/photo11.html this is the de jure aka pre1967 position & so really only a ghost topo
       Sep 18, 2005 @ 04:16 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18363. Re: hot coksok pursuit in progress for 3 years yet still elusive
       well i appreciate your comments & no defense is warranted since there was no offense nor actually even any mistake but just a lot of fun for all concerned nor
       Sep 18, 2005 @ 05:24 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18364. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: [borderpoint] Various border documents for my 7 year honeymoon trip
       _____ Fra: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com] På vegne af jim van dura Sendt: 17. september 2005 21:06 Til:
       Sep 18, 2005 @ 07:53 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18365. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: [borderpoint] Various border documents for my 7 year honeymoon trip
       dear jesper nice going ... exactly what makes a country is an armed gang & what makes a border or frontier is 2 armed gangs in a standoff by contrast what
       Sep 18, 2005 @ 14:15 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18366. do these qualify as tripointing nuts
       of the class e persuasion to be sure http://www.tradeforum.org/news/fullstory.php/aid/768/Can_a_Nut_Save_the_Rainforest_.html or are they just greater bobrpe
       Sep 18, 2005 @ 16:46 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18367. Re: algrmk is reportedly marked by a white buoy
       ... relay_date=27%2F7%2F2004 It s curious to find such a photogenic and euphoric (phosphoric?) event has left no photographic trace on the Internet ... But
       Sep 18, 2005 @ 20:16 - jimvandura ("jimvandura" <jimvandura@...>)
18368. Re: algrmk is reportedly marked by a white buoy
       nice this could be the torch arriving there now http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/a/c/acc159/underwater.jpg ... Olympian
       Sep 19, 2005 @ 01:11 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18369. tripointing & sawanabori fans take note
       this awesome question has hit the dock at the ibru list this morning http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A2=ind0509&L=int-boundaries&T=0&F=&S=&P=1030 so
       Sep 19, 2005 @ 14:15 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18370. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Digest Number 1906
       In a message dated 9/16/05 4:42:09 PM, BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com writes:
       Sep 19, 2005 @ 14:28 - spookymike@aol.com (spookymike@...)
18371. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Digest Number 1906
       ahh beauty mike thanxxx blanca peak aka us2co3alcohu aka alh coh huh http://topozone.com/map.asp?z=13&n=4159066&e=457146&s=50&size=l&datum=nad83&layer=DRG25
       Sep 19, 2005 @ 16:52 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18372. punctilious try for kytnva includes everything but the raindrops
       http://www.ajfroggie.com/pics/cumberland-gap/#tri & especially http://www.ajfroggie.com/pics/cumberland-gap/trail25.jpg topo
       Sep 19, 2005 @ 17:51 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18373. punctilious yet corny coksne report
       http://www.kansasphototour.com/neksco.htm one of only 3 tristate points in the usa with a guest register which btw contains some very funny remarks mainly
       Sep 20, 2005 @ 15:21 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18374. RE: [BoundaryPoint] punctilious yet corny coksne report
       What are the other two tristate points in the USA that have a guest register? ... l&datum=nad83&layer=DRG25 but for a decent map be sure to email or phone
       Sep 20, 2005 @ 16:46 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
18375. 3 tristate guest registers
       flynn ... have a guest register? kytnva as just mentioned can average 23 visitors a day coksne here might get about 23 in a good month & nesdwy perhaps only 23
       Sep 20, 2005 @ 17:20 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
18376. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 3 tristate guest registers
       oops i mean kevin wrong attachment too yikes but correct now ... __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors Choice 2005
       Sep 20, 2005 @ 20:34 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
18377. RE: [BoundaryPoint] 3 tristate guest registers
       Thanks. that helps. Does that man have a stone torso?
       Sep 20, 2005 @ 20:47 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
18378. RE: [BoundaryPoint] 3 tristate guest registers
       haha yes he is a monumental tripointer ... http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/WkiolB/TM ... __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC
       Sep 20, 2005 @ 21:07 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18379. cnmnruw at last class a
       http://www.mongoliantravel.com/westernmongolia.asp http://www.mongoliatrekking.com/tavanbogd_climbing_mongolia.html
       Sep 21, 2005 @ 02:06 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18380. SV: [BoundaryPoint] cnmnruw at last class a
       What makes you think it’s class a? _____ Fra: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com] På vegne af aletheia kallos Sendt: 21.
       Sep 21, 2005 @ 06:23 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18381. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] cnmnruw at last class a
       you are right to question this call & maybe i should only have said purportedly or ostensibly class a rather than claiming it so flatly & absolutely as i have
       Sep 21, 2005 @ 13:33 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18382. Hans I: was SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] cnmnruw at last class a
       This morning I followed up on my similar letter to the Danish Foreign Minister, and got a reply an hour later. I am not sure if the reply was to the initial
       Sep 21, 2005 @ 14:32 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18383. israel recognizes gaza as a country de facto & thus eggzil too
       http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L21615989.htm could the usa et al be far behind odds dive again to 1 to 10 against but i will waive the 40day spot for
       Sep 21, 2005 @ 14:51 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18384. European trifinia visits
       http://vote.sparklit.com/web_poll.spark/773285 I don t know that this inquiry was took up here, cause there s only 17 votes.
       Sep 22, 2005 @ 14:48 - Artur Kroc ("Artur Kroc" <kroc@...>)
18385. Re: [BoundaryPoint] European trifinia visits
       lovely find artur & on stylistic evidence i would guess one of our members is indeed responsible for it but i agree it is curious that the list is incomplete
       Sep 22, 2005 @ 15:33 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18386. Re: European trifinia visits
       aha perhaps i have found a solution to the puzzle after all perhaps the listmaker intended & began to list all 44 & may even have done so but was expectedly
       Sep 22, 2005 @ 16:02 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18387. great american boundary point multiplex
       http://topozone.com/map.asp?z=11&n=5194527&e=527319&s=24&size=s&datum=nad83&layer=DRG25
       Sep 22, 2005 @ 21:17 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18388. RE: [BoundaryPoint] great american boundary point multiplex
       Only ones in the world? Really? http://gorp.away.com/gorp/location/canada/cach2.htm - Since it takes a day to get in, and a day to get out, you should plan on
       Sep 23, 2005 @ 03:48 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18389. SV: [BoundaryPoint] great american boundary point multiplex
       I prefer the DKGEUS triarea: http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=32.28444&lon=-81.72417 _____ Fra: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
       Sep 23, 2005 @ 05:49 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18390. still greater american boundary point multiplex
       haha nope not really they were only the only known ones http://topozone.com/map.asp?z=15&n=5351807&e=650588&s=100&size=s&datum=nad83&layer=DRG100 thanx not
       Sep 23, 2005 @ 11:47 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18391. Re: cnin tripoint 6pack try advances dramatically
       could monday be the long awaited breakthru day http://news.webindia123.com/news/showdetails.asp?id=119160&cat=Asia
       Sep 23, 2005 @ 12:05 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18392. israel says eggzil tripoint border crossing will open next week
       but palestinians try officially opening eggz or egil anyway at rafah whichever it really is now while still not acknowledging their independence
       Sep 23, 2005 @ 12:23 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18393. FW: Japanese help
       Searching the archives for info on Japanese tripoints in preparation for my upcoming visit to Japan in November and possible attempts on some of these I found
       Sep 23, 2005 @ 13:45 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18394. Re: [BoundaryPoint] FW: Japanese help
       thanx nice & i can also tell you now that a careful search by our local resident informant henry hirose has uncovered no interest whatsoever in any of these 44
       Sep 23, 2005 @ 15:10 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18395. RE: [BoundaryPoint] FW: Japanese help
       Where Goto-san says city/town he has confirmed to me that this can also be place so no need to be confused by his phrasing here (not that anyone was, of
       Sep 23, 2005 @ 15:38 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18396. egil eggz from ridiculous to sublime
       the burning question of the day namely whether the now official rafah border crossing is still egil or already eggz inspired an omen quest by google image
       Sep 23, 2005 @ 16:10 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18397. surprise answer to nc3grwawi puzzle & the bigger mystery it poses
       the puzzle in a nutshell til now as you may recall it developed thru the message sequence below was by what route does the new greene wilson county line that
       Sep 24, 2005 @ 21:35 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
18398. Re: [BoundaryPoint] surprise answer to nc3grwawi puzzle & the bigger mystery it poses
       whoops i just realized the area really was ceded from wilson to greene rather than vice versa as i supposed & misstated below so please subtract 1 yikes but it
       Sep 24, 2005 @ 22:02 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18399. Re: surprise answer to nc3grwawi puzzle & the bigger mystery it poses
       this only keeps getting more intriguing for it appears wayne county has no idea she has lost her northeast corner if indeed she has lost it as this official
       Sep 25, 2005 @ 13:42 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18400. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] great american boundary point multiplex
       haha dkgeus i just noticed that would that be ge as in gee whiz or great european caucasian georgia being ge but american georgia ga oddly enough your & our
       Sep 25, 2005 @ 16:34 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18401. Re: cnin tripoint 6pack try advances dramatically
       a more level headed assessment from experts on both sides doesnt expect much at all tho http://www.indiadaily.com/breaking_news/46366.asp actually a reuters
       Sep 25, 2005 @ 17:04 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18402. SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] great american boundary point multiplex
       Which url links are non-clickable? Jesper also btw are you aware your url links havent been clickable lately but need to be hand cobbled maybe thats just on
       Sep 25, 2005 @ 18:25 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18403. RE: SV: [BoundaryPoint] great american boundary point multiplex
       I ve noticed that any URL link in the text of Jesper s e-mails are not clickable. Recent ones are in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/18389
       Sep 25, 2005 @ 18:33 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18404. RE: SV: [BoundaryPoint] great american boundary point multiplex
       & let me add the url that most rewarded my extra participation came just now in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/borderpoint/message/225 which seems to indicate
       Sep 25, 2005 @ 20:32 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18405. Intro
       Hello everyone, I m Mike from Toronto, Ontario, Canada. I will be in Europe two weeks from now. I ll be flying to Frankfurt, then travelling to the Czech
       Sep 26, 2005 @ 04:28 - xachary04 ("xachary04" <xachary04@...>)
18406. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Intro
       welcome mike just what we need another canadian & another mike your projected itinerary sounds delicious we have observations & requests for all 4 czech
       Sep 26, 2005 @ 13:19 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18407. Re: Intro
       Hi Mike, I don t think I can make it to all of the tri-points. Hopefully I ll make it to two of them--czdepl and possibly czplsk. I do want to see that patch
       Sep 26, 2005 @ 15:28 - xachary04 ("xachary04" <xachary04@...>)
18408. Border Controls far away from the border
       Perhaps some of you can help me. I understand that on the Mexican side of the USMX border, the Mexicans do another customs and immigration check 10-20 km south
       Sep 26, 2005 @ 15:39 - xachary04 ("xachary04" <xachary04@...>)
18409. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Intro
       Welcome Michael ... provinces/territories. Most of the provinces seem to be lined up like dominoes. There are several tri-points among the Canadian
       Sep 26, 2005 @ 15:57 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@our-own-home.com>)
18410. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Intro
       great mike & keep us all with you as you go for all the best czdepl & czplsk have already been rather carefully visited yet they both leave us with some slight
       Sep 26, 2005 @ 19:20 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18411. canadian multipointing review
       yikes hugh i agree can the author of this wikipedia article be found & queried about her grounds for the shocking & indeed dubious assertion here that our
       Sep 26, 2005 @ 20:24 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18412. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Border Controls far away from the border
       I have never experienced it on the FRCH. I have seen checkpoints far (not 10-20 km) in mountainous areas in the Balkans, also also in western Europe were the
       Sep 26, 2005 @ 21:06 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18413. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Border Controls far away from the border
       ADFR on the N22 is about 3-4 km from the border inside France near the junction with the N320. Means that the long queues returning from their duty free
       Sep 26, 2005 @ 21:27 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18414. 7th elusive try for us2ma3be4hapiri calls for yet another
       halftime intermission enthusiasts at least will rejoice to learn i still havent bagged the single wet & probably most demanding 23rd berkshire tripoint & thus
       Sep 26, 2005 @ 22:16 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
18415. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border Controls far away from the border
       The PRC conducts its CIQ formalities in Tashkurgan, 130km from its common border with Pakistan. Richard Lam ... From: xachary04 To:
       Sep 27, 2005 @ 11:09 - Richard Lam ("Richard Lam" <richardlam11@...>)
18416. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border Controls far away from the border
       What do PRC and CIQ mean? and what are the reasons for the 130? Mountain pass? Jesper ... border with Pakistan. Richard Lam ... From: xachary04 To:
       Sep 27, 2005 @ 12:08 - jesniel@image.dk (jesniel@...)
18417. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border Controls far away from the border
       jesper urls still not clicking in case it helps the following lines were lifted entire from your latest try in
       Sep 27, 2005 @ 13:49 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18418. big bopper will reportedly try bdin2chmitr
       http://www.newkerala.com/news.php?action=fullnews&id=26419 i hope he has a better map than this tho for khatlang bop at the chittagong mizoram tripura tripoint
       Sep 27, 2005 @ 14:19 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18419. cnin tripoint 6pack talks continuing into second overtime period
       despite low expectations of many experts they are still jammin in beijing
       Sep 27, 2005 @ 21:08 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18420. cnin tripoint 6pack talks continuing into second overtime period
       despite low expectations of many experts they are still jammin in beijing
       Sep 27, 2005 @ 17:09 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18421. source of wikipedia assertion that mbnunwsk is not a single point
       A MapQuest map has been sent to you by aletheiak@yahoo.com. some people will believe anything they see on a map To view your map, click on this link or cut and
       Sep 28, 2005 @ 00:28 - aletheiak@yahoo.com (aletheiak@...)
18422. Re: big bopper will reportedly try bdin2chmitr
       well he claims or is at least reported to have paid a call on the boundary trijunction http://news.webindia123.com/news/showdetails.asp?id=123468&cat=India but
       Sep 28, 2005 @ 14:05 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18423. Fwd: Re: a second international boundary marker within the usa
       on an otherwise slow day in the world of multipointing & miscellaneous international border enthusiasms too i am happy to be able to contribute the appended
       Sep 28, 2005 @ 17:01 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18424. grwawi the grand finale i think
       the grwawi story thus far in brief http://article.gmane.org/gmane.culture.discuss.boundary-point/7724 & so i called the surveyor in southern pines nc who
       Sep 28, 2005 @ 21:50 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18425. will 3rd somaliland vote be a charm for her recognition
       sheesh what does a country have to do to get a little respect http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/IRIN/36286d5aa60c630decae149e3ab6f1d6.htm the location
       Sep 29, 2005 @ 16:57 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18426. yikes long trumpeted bwnazmzw bridge is still but a pipe dream
       http://www.gov.bw/cgi-bin/news.cgi?d=20050907&i=Botswana_Zambia_to_spend_over_P372m_on_bridge __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine
       Sep 29, 2005 @ 22:52 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18427. long stalled eretsd try via djeret & eret gets a shortcut via beijing & etsd
       http://news.africast.com/africastv/article.php?newsID=56585 http://home.worldonline.dk/jesniel/border/african_tripoints.htm#eretsd where note etkesd too could
       Sep 30, 2005 @ 15:05 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18428. khlavn gets a resident veterinarian i kid you not
       http://vietnamnews.vnagency.com.vn/showarticle.php?num=05POL300905 & of course this real news is buried in the 16th paragraph but we may still be grateful for
       Sep 30, 2005 @ 16:36 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18429. proposals to privatize eggzil crossing & split it into egil & ilgz etc
       novel 3way border post situation engenders some fresh thinking including a studied avoidance of the exact tripoint herself
       Sep 30, 2005 @ 18:41 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18430. Re: cninpk try leader offers breakthrough proposal
       but it still looks like a nonstarter at the bargaining table & so only a chimerical breakthru for tripointing here on inpk
       Oct 01, 2005 @ 14:33 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18431. Lowell McManus checking in
       This is the first opportunity that I ve had to post in the aftermath of Hurricane Rita. I have returned from eight days in the Dark Ages. Crews borrowed from
       Oct 01, 2005 @ 15:14 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
18432. Re: Lowell McManus checking in
       great welcomes nothing could be finer than to have you back & almost more presciently than previously guessed in message 18423 tho i shouldve known it was the
       Oct 01, 2005 @ 15:49 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18433. determined hapiri retry is a gathering
       it is looking like thursday may be the day for the next hapiri revisit jc is already in the process of rounding up an inflatable raft & pump & a metal detector
       Oct 02, 2005 @ 15:04 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18434. bggrtr remonumented
       http://www.sofiaecho.com/article/new-pyramid/id_11871/catid_5 can anyone find a pic of this new marker __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC
       Oct 03, 2005 @ 02:27 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18435. SV: [BoundaryPoint] bggrtr remonumented
       My guess is CSHURO style. The IBRG team was asked for advice on the matter on site in May. Jesper _____ Fra: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
       Oct 03, 2005 @ 05:01 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18436. new BGGRTR monument
       http://www.kesananaliz.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=155
       Oct 03, 2005 @ 09:20 - jesniel@image.dk (jesniel@...)
18437. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] bggrtr remonumented
       well ok but cshuro is marked by a ziggurat topped by an obeliskoid whereas the new bggrtr monument thanx to the partial pic youve found is still looking almost
       Oct 03, 2005 @ 12:04 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18438. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] bggrtr remonumented
       I have various TR treaty maps of the tp that I can scan. ... well ok but cshuro is marked by a ziggurat topped by an obeliskoid whereas the new bggrtr
       Oct 03, 2005 @ 13:01 - jesniel@image.dk (jesniel@...)
18439. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] bggrtr remonumented
       yes please would love to eat em ... groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint ...   ... BoundaryPoint BoundaryPoint ...
       Oct 03, 2005 @ 14:14 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18440. Of North Carolina and Mexico
       I m still catching up on old posts from during my long hurricane-induced electrical outage. Mike D s conversations with the North Carolina authorities give us
       Oct 03, 2005 @ 14:34 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
18441. re your kind reply
       thank you friend i have actually mentioned this twice before to local enthusiasts tho only on the louisiana side of the line hitherto where i have found the
       Oct 03, 2005 @ 14:14 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18442. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Lowell McManus checking in
       I could be interested in attending the rescheduled, hurricane-delayed rededication of the 1841 RTUS boundary monument by the Sons of the Republic of Texas.
       Oct 03, 2005 @ 15:57 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
18443. ellicott mound prospects in louisiana
       now that i have shot my mouth off about louisiana still having some 18th century earthen mounds on the lams state line that were once esus international
       Oct 03, 2005 @ 16:34 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18444. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ellicott mound prospects in louisiana
       I don t know of any 1799 Ellicott mounds on LAMS, but I ve never been a huge student of that particular one of my state s boundary segments. If he left one
       Oct 03, 2005 @ 17:28 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
18445. Re: [BoundaryPoint] re your kind reply
       After my last visit to the monument in 2003, I parroted in message 11215 the nearby Louisiana historical marker s claim that it is the only international
       Oct 03, 2005 @ 18:17 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
18446. grwawi Re: Of North Carolina and Mexico
       thanx & glad to have your input but i guess i just need more sensible proof for such a supposedly content knee creak my mystification is best exaggerated when
       Oct 03, 2005 @ 18:40 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18447. Re: ellicott mound prospects in louisiana
       ok fantastic & please feel entirely free to be the first to bail me out of my predicament most of my 17 topozone generated prospects are in the felicianas but
       Oct 03, 2005 @ 19:20 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18448. SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] bggrtr remonumented
       http://www.geocities.com/jesniel/ Maps are not dated, which could have been nice. Last photo show a 320 which we passed on the causeway to Kavak. Jesper _____
       Oct 03, 2005 @ 21:28 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18449. Re: SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] bggrtr remonumented
       delicious many thanxxx & they give me a bright new idea for regardless of the various map dates they do all together reiterate & underscore the already well
       Oct 03, 2005 @ 22:57 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18450. & please allow me to correct myself in the meantime
       in case any of this matters to you david as much as it does to me let me just add one last state namely georgia to the short list appended to make it a full
       Oct 04, 2005 @ 17:43 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18451. Fwd: Re: & please allow me to correct myself in the meantime
       Note: forwarded message attached. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Thanks for your
       Oct 04, 2005 @ 18:57 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18452. SV: SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] bggrtr remonumented
       Yeah, some things are odd. Pro: Our monument is definitively a tripoint monument since it has the three flags, but could still be symbolic The three flags are
       Oct 04, 2005 @ 19:55 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18453. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ellicott mound prospects in louisiana
       Thanks. I ll look at the topos and see prospects look most likely. I might wait until the leaves are off before mounting an expedition, but maybe not. In your
       Oct 04, 2005 @ 21:53 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
18454. Re: SV: SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] bggrtr remonumented
       thanx nice please see inserts ... right & i agree it is still unclear if the true tripoint is on the new 3flag marker just as it was unclear if the true
       Oct 05, 2005 @ 00:13 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18455. Re: ellicott mound prospects in louisiana
       bravo & vis tecum & no need to try for the oldest surviving one really even if it is closest to where you are as well as closest to a known tripoint & likely
       Oct 05, 2005 @ 14:29 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18456. not another tsunami call but perhaps a slight global warming
       the ancient ones here may remember our most recent tsunami call http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/11143 & especially its happy aftermath
       Oct 05, 2005 @ 16:47 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18457. postponement Re: determined hapiri retry is a gathering
       since jc can no longer make it tomorrow this party has to be postponed until at least the weekend in case that also makes it better for anyone else but the
       Oct 05, 2005 @ 18:57 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18458. Re: SV: SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] bggrtr remonumented
       ... 14th item here http://www.livre-rare-book.com/Matieres/dd/1616n.html not that i would pay the 45 euros but it means theres hope of finding one in a library
       Oct 05, 2005 @ 19:29 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18459. promise of siachen endgame by january renews cninpk try hopes
       http://www.asianage.com/main.asp?layout=2&cat1=5&cat2=154&newsid=184986&RF=DefaultMain http://www.onlinenews.com.pk/details.php?id=87898
       Oct 05, 2005 @ 21:37 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18460. SV: SV: SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] bggrtr remonumented
       The Greek side mau be the key to the issue. I have in wain been looking for greek news on the tp, including greek name of Kavak. Here is cut and paste for the
       Oct 05, 2005 @ 22:04 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18461. re bggrtr
       jesper the following line from your latest message i couldnt understand Here is cut and paste for the three countries:
       Oct 05, 2005 @ 22:23 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18462. Re: [BoundaryPoint] re bggrtr
       Jesper s message came through loud and clear here in all of it Greek alphabetical glory. If it didn t for you, it might be because he sends in the Unicode
       Oct 05, 2005 @ 23:12 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
18463. egypt will join eggzil tripoint crossing to make it at least an egil
       http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/BCE7FE48-D17C-45E1-B6A4-ACED0758A132.htm __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors Choice
       Oct 05, 2005 @ 23:24 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18464. RE: [BoundaryPoint] re bggrtr
       You need an e-mail program that reads HTML formatted e-mails because these are not standard ASCII characters. :) _____ From: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
       Oct 05, 2005 @ 23:10 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18465. Re: re bggrtr
       aha thanx bougaria tourkia ellas very nice but now what do we do with it to try to get to greek kavak
       Oct 05, 2005 @ 23:32 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18466. Barak, enclave of Kyrgyzstan within Uzbekistan
       http://www.irinnews.org/print.asp?ReportID=49345
       Oct 06, 2005 @ 01:42 - kszephyr ("kszephyr" <kszephyr@...>)
18467. Re: Barak, enclave of Kyrgyzstan within Uzbekistan
       ... hi again long time no hear & thanx for thinking of us with this amusing item even while we are not at all committed to problems here but only to puzzles at
       Oct 06, 2005 @ 02:24 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18468. Mile mounds on LATX (1841 RTUS)
       There are maps of the 1841 survey of the boundary between the USA and the Republic of Texas in the library of the American Philosophical Society in
       Oct 06, 2005 @ 04:44 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
18469. exact south sudan separatist tripoints now foreseeable in 2009
       notwithstanding the many pitfalls inherent in deep crystal ball gazing first an expert opinion
       Oct 06, 2005 @ 05:40 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18470. Re: Mile mounds on LATX (1841 RTUS)
       right these are the ones mentioned by david in 18451 & by his promotional article in 18423 & by bus&ss too but it sounds like they are not nearly so grand &
       Oct 06, 2005 @ 06:31 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18471. Re: exact south sudan separatist tripoints now foreseeable in 2009
       ok this is getting interesting here is not only legal confirmation of the 2 future tripoints i had til now only surmised to whatever extent this future may be
       Oct 06, 2005 @ 16:19 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18472. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: re bggrtr
       Very late last night I fed google with the three words to look for a local Greek angle of the tp. And I figured the Greek version of “Kavak” would be the
       Oct 06, 2005 @ 17:57 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18473. djeret try accumulating exclamation points & question marks
       http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L06439336.htm __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
       Oct 06, 2005 @ 18:20 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18474. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: re bggrtr
       lovely thanx & heres a try for the greek word for poplar which you may recall is what kavak means in turkish & or bulgarian
       Oct 06, 2005 @ 19:02 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18475. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: re bggrtr
       & the e with the hat is an eta oops & actually it is looking like aigeiros & leuke are the 2 most probable ones ...
       Oct 06, 2005 @ 19:08 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18476. SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: re bggrtr
       It’s interesting that I cannot find a single Greek reference to bggrtr. I would have thought that any combination of Greece, Turkey, Bulgaria, Kavak, Evros,
       Oct 06, 2005 @ 20:53 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18477. SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: re bggrtr
       http://www.mathra.gr/article.php?id=1570: The minister Macedonia of - Thrace Mr Nikos Tsjartsjw nis, Tuesday 19/7/05 and hour 12 the midday, will represent the
       Oct 06, 2005 @ 21:09 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18478. SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: re bggrtr
       well maybe we are getting smarter slowly tho for example here the new monument is described as symbolic so i have to wonder couldnt that mean only symbolic &
       Oct 06, 2005 @ 22:03 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18479. these could be the most telling & interesting 2 points
       ... yes the vista & all the maps are extremely persuasive but did you perhaps follow this vista to its western or upstream end for if true bggrtr is truly on
       Oct 07, 2005 @ 14:37 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18480. electromagnetic hapiri retry is rescheduled for tomorrow
       jc is still trying to wheedle the metal detector from her brother evidently it is his favorite toy but everything else is set & we have a blinking green light
       Oct 07, 2005 @ 15:11 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18481. SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: re bggrtr
       Attached photo is what we saw. Southern shore of Kavak, GRTR, looking SE - away from the potential tp. Due to the overgrown nature we unable to see indirect
       Oct 07, 2005 @ 16:33 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
18482. SV: [BoundaryPoint] these could be the most telling & interesting 2 points
       If the IBS paper did not confuse us from the start, we would all have been convinced BGGRTR was the marker we saw on the island. But after seeing the TR maps
       Oct 07, 2005 @ 17:07 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18483. SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: re bggrtr
       ok & were you able to tell when you were facing due south from there if you were peering toward & or actually looking at island a or in other words the smaller
       Oct 07, 2005 @ 17:35 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18484. bggrtr
       Just added more maps/photos to http://www.geocities.com/jesniel/ Google maps shows Kavak much larger (yes the very big island right in the center). It’s very
       Oct 07, 2005 @ 17:39 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18485. SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: re bggrtr
       It’s too hard to tell iwhat we saw through the bushes. Could be mainland or island, but judging from vista on satellite photo
       Oct 07, 2005 @ 17:44 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18486. Re: SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: re bggrtr
       I will post all my images soon. Just trying to create a page of that. Doug ... Doug Murray Productions/Border Films sounds+images+words Vancouver, BC Canada
       Oct 07, 2005 @ 18:05 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
18487. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] these could be the most telling & interesting 2 points
       ... i understand that is very telling ... i perfectly understand all that is very persuasive too ... hmm not necessarily nor do i think it is necessary to be
       Oct 07, 2005 @ 18:30 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18488. Re: bggrtr
       ... it is also very likely that everything keeps shifting around here & no more reason to believe your eyes about a satpic whether dated or undated which btw
       Oct 07, 2005 @ 19:17 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18489. yikes another african multipoint bridge begging for spare change
       the environmental impact could be academic too http://allafrica.com/stories/200510070442.html but call it the mztz2cdmtns answer to the bwnazmzw wannabe bridge
       Oct 07, 2005 @ 19:52 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18490. Re: [BoundaryPoint] electromagnetic hapiri retry is rescheduled for tomorrow
       ... In Mexico, a blinking green light is one that is about to turn yellow, then red. ..but, you re not in Mexico. :-) Good trying! Lowell G. McManus
       Oct 07, 2005 @ 19:55 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
18491. Re: [BoundaryPoint] electromagnetic hapiri retry is rescheduled for tomorrow
       haha thanx amigo do you suppose my berkshire perfection try would slow down & stop in mexico then before actually bagging this & all the 44 class a or would i
       Oct 07, 2005 @ 20:42 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18492. Re: djeret try accumulating exclamation points & question marks
       full briefing actually dreams of a djeret rock & envisions the try as doable in 2 weeks but
       Oct 07, 2005 @ 21:07 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18493. odds scramble as kosovo tripoint final status talks grow imminent
       http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/mld/myrtlebeachonline/news/world/12844847.htm i believe this is almost certain to lead to kocevar independence & unexpectedly
       Oct 07, 2005 @ 22:30 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18494. Re: electromagnetic hapiri retry is rescheduled for tomorrow
       & just because it is fun to continue to reflect on all this while waiting expectantly for doug to hang his bggrtr pix as well as spacing out my departure into
       Oct 08, 2005 @ 01:41 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18495. RE: [BoundaryPoint] electromagnetic hapiri retry is rescheduled for tomorrow
       ...and at each stage of which progression you drive faster and faster through the intersection so as to minimise the chances of getting hit - or at least you
       Oct 08, 2005 @ 02:53 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18496. sensitive assessment of the state of the cninpk try via inpk
       http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_8-10-2005_pg7_26 __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors Choice 2005
       Oct 08, 2005 @ 03:33 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18497. bzgtmx try may be reviving in earnest after 3 year siesta
       guatemala who alone had been dragging her feet is now saying we are at a good juncture in negotiations there are good intentions good will to move ahead to
       Oct 08, 2005 @ 04:35 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18498. electromagnetic hapiri retry calls manana again
       
       Oct 08, 2005 @ 12:32 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18499. Re: electromagnetic hapiri retry calls manana again
       oops that was an inadvertent premature ejaculation silly of me but the point was this crescendoing hapiri wet dream has had to be prolonged yet again but i
       Oct 08, 2005 @ 12:51 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18500. blinking green light nutshells
       third item here entitled mixed signals http://www.laboratorium.net/archives/2001_01.html illuminates the berkshirean version brilliantly & also distinguishes
       Oct 08, 2005 @ 16:37 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18501. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: electromagnetic hapiri retry calls manana again
       Not sure about Japan (maybe I ll find out next month - I m currently working feverishly to obtain detailed topo maps off the internet - 3000x3000 pixels at a
       Oct 08, 2005 @ 17:34 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18502. Re: electromagnetic hapiri retry calls manana again
       haha very nice indeed & you will not only be ravishing another virgin country for us but introducing the long awaited & indispensable third part of our multi
       Oct 08, 2005 @ 19:09 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18503. busting my favorite bggrtr hypothesis
       trying to imagine some legal basis for the dry bggrtr position on kavak island you all know & love til now i had been supposing it could have been explained by
       Oct 08, 2005 @ 19:49 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18504. Re: ellicott mound prospects in louisiana
       lowell i just realized from a discussion found a bit more than halfway down this page http://robertoreg.blogspot.com/2003_07_20_robertoreg_archive.html that
       Oct 09, 2005 @ 04:16 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18505. Re: djeret try accumulating exclamation points & question marks
       interesting analysis by a favorite kibitzer michela wrong http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L09567089.htm & it is finally drying out a bit here so i am
       Oct 09, 2005 @ 12:05 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18506. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ellicott mound prospects in louisiana
       Thanks for the tip. I read somewhere during the past week that Ellicott s original mounds were 15 feet square, three feet high, and had a charred wooden post
       Oct 09, 2005 @ 14:34 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
18507. Re: ellicott mound prospects in louisiana
       wow that was lucky & it will prolong the fun too i had a fantastic good time myself today on the approximately 8th or 10th earnest hapiri try but must report
       Oct 09, 2005 @ 17:39 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18508. europe in the can
       just by way of timely review is it true we have collectively collected the following visit tries & levels adesfre a&a adesfrw a alcsmk z algrmk d hypothetical
       Oct 10, 2005 @ 01:13 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18509. SV: [BoundaryPoint] europe in the can
       Some cs and yu confusion _____ Fra: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com] På vegne af aletheia kallos Sendt: 10. oktober 2005
       Oct 10, 2005 @ 06:43 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18510. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] europe in the can
       whoops & thanx corrected hrhuyu to cshrhu dohh & rearranged as necessary below still a question about byplua classification tho anything else ... revised list
       Oct 10, 2005 @ 12:01 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18511. the ongoing liquidation of the state of everyones ice
       see how our 5 eez tripoints are running toward the pole as we speak & note also on this great map how the exploitation rights to the north pole itself are now
       Oct 10, 2005 @ 14:07 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18512. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] europe in the can
       also jesper i should probably change plskua from class e to at least class c in view of your third image here
       Oct 10, 2005 @ 16:02 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18513. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] europe in the can
       excuse me again the report of this valiant firsthand try is here http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/6968 so the byplua visit description has
       Oct 10, 2005 @ 16:37 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18514. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] europe in the can
       i mean 35 tried in the flesh plus 6 virtually leaving only 3 still totally virgin ... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/6968 ...
       Oct 10, 2005 @ 16:44 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18515. Re: khlavn gets a resident veterinarian i kid you not
       natch thats the illustrious parrots beak first immunized & soon to be immortalized by parliamentary ratifications
       Oct 11, 2005 @ 00:07 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18516. The Journal of Andrew Ellicott
       I went to Natchitoches today to access Ellicott s journal in the Watson Library at Northwestern State University of Louisiana. NSU does indeed have two
       Oct 11, 2005 @ 01:40 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
18517. Re: The Journal of Andrew Ellicott
       yikes its another natch for 3 in a row natch i multi touches so keep us abreast of your touches also the following may not be an easy question to answer but it
       Oct 11, 2005 @ 12:52 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18518. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: The Journal of Andrew Ellicott
       ok we have a hit already on the latter question at beautiful flga2bachwa in the okefenokee
       Oct 11, 2005 @ 13:17 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18519. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: The Journal of Andrew Ellicott
       i believe this is the only one in georgia too of all the hundreds of mounds he left & with its confirmation if only by this remote historical marker
       Oct 11, 2005 @ 14:09 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18520. djeret try prognosis blinking red
       from michela wrong again too http://www.pinr.com/report.php?ac=view_report&report_id=380&language_id=1 __________________________________ Yahoo! Music
       Oct 11, 2005 @ 21:52 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18521. nyqcvt & nhqcvt making a bid for the world class this month
       on an otherwise quiet news day in the world of global multipointing get ready for the vermont independence convention in halloween drag
       Oct 12, 2005 @ 23:20 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18522. Hans Island
       Anybody interested travelling in a group to Hans Island? Candidates write to Wolfgang.Schaub@cro-contracts.com, explaining their motivation (mine is
       Oct 13, 2005 @ 08:18 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
18523. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Hans Island
       hi man! where is hans island ? I m from iasi ,romania adrian. Wolfgang Schaub wrote: Anybody interested travelling in a
       Oct 13, 2005 @ 11:19 - adrian podoleanu (adrian podoleanu <trardsvel@...>)
18524. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Hans Island
       hahaha & thanx for thinking of us again with your latest imaginary multipointing try but of course you were right or at least closer to send this question
       Oct 13, 2005 @ 11:24 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18525. move over khlath for new emerald triangle named ca3humetr
       http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20051013/ts_usatoday/drugagentscantkeepupwithpotgrowers%3B_ylt%3DAsSzPor94X4JNrfC7UvWIvV34T0D%3B_ylu%3DX3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN
       Oct 13, 2005 @ 12:20 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18526. Re: Hans Island
       hi adrian hans island is interesting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Island & since it is effectively a time share beach condominium all the way down to the
       Oct 13, 2005 @ 14:31 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18527. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Barak, enclave of Kyrgyzstan within Uzbekistan
       ... Could somebody point to a digitalized map, preferably large scale, showing the exact location of Barak? Thank you. Daniel
       Oct 13, 2005 @ 13:00 - Daniel Balland (Daniel Balland <Daniel.Balland@...>)
18528. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Barak, enclave of Kyrgyzstan within Uzbekistan
       hi nice question nor is this the first time barak has eluded us but if your article is correct in stating that it is less than an hours drive northwest of osh
       Oct 13, 2005 @ 23:13 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18529. Barak on maps
       I ve not yet managed to find a map on which it is shown. It does not feature on Soviet 1:500,000 sheet (K-43-B), and I do not have the 1:200,000 or 1:100,000
       Oct 14, 2005 @ 01:06 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
18530. Re: Barak on maps
       why is digitalized wanted could well be the harder part of the question
       Oct 14, 2005 @ 01:15 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18531. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: The Journal of Andrew Ellicott
       Since Yahoo Groups has been keeping many of our posts in ethereal storage for about two days and then delivering them profoundly out of chronological order, I
       Oct 14, 2005 @ 05:25 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
18532. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Barak on maps
       We had something, that nearly showed it. http://www.freewebtown.com/malcik/Frames/barak-det.jpg Barak will be somewhere northwest of the red circle on the
       Oct 14, 2005 @ 12:01 - chris ("chris" <wertkauf@...>)
18533. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: The Journal of Andrew Ellicott
       ... no matter just a timely frivol in message 18517 seeing as messages 18515 & 18516 both began with natch ... ok but be aware that ellicotts measurements &
       Oct 14, 2005 @ 14:10 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18534. Re: Barak on maps
       you are right chris this is the best we have ever seen aktash in your red circle is the name of the larger commune barak belongs to & i withdraw my earlier
       Oct 14, 2005 @ 15:32 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18535. slight correction Re: The Journal of Andrew Ellicott
       ... well yes & no as i see 381 is given as the number of the mounds & i can estimate 395 or 400 as the number of miles so we are looking at something more on
       Oct 14, 2005 @ 20:53 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18536. Re: [BoundaryPoint] slight correction Re: The Journal of Andrew Ellicott
       I did not photocopy Ellicott s strip maps all the way to the Chattahoochee, but I did copy them all the way to the Pearl. His first encounter with the Pearl
       Oct 14, 2005 @ 22:40 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
18537. slight correction Re: The Journal of Andrew Ellicott
       yikes do you mean you think he didnt skip the streams & other obstacles before the pearl but did skip them after it
       Oct 14, 2005 @ 23:55 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18538. transnistrian separatist tripoint chances nosedive into obscurity
       http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article319713.ece __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
       Oct 15, 2005 @ 00:22 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18539. Re: [BoundaryPoint] slight correction Re: The Journal of Andrew Ellicott
       All I know is that the measurements match from point D to the Pearl. You say that they don t east of the Pearl. The Pearl is the first river worthy of the
       Oct 15, 2005 @ 01:05 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
18540. slight correction Re: The Journal of Andrew Ellicott
       ... & you can forget the rest since it doesnt concern lams anyway so dont mind that whole interruption but then whats next
       Oct 15, 2005 @ 02:23 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18541. Re: oldest working rocks in america
       aha could this be the long missing but not forgotten oldest working rock in america http://www.historyofredding.com/HRGeorgetown.htm purportedly 1645 rest
       Oct 15, 2005 @ 03:27 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18542. oldest working rock in america apparent
       & happily she continues to serve as a tripoint for the present towns of redding & weston & wilton
       Oct 15, 2005 @ 04:26 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18543. a first canadian tertiary found ca2ns3diqush at least
       speaking of boundary rock thats digby queens & shelburne 1899 http://museum.gov.ns.ca/mikmaq/mp0348.htm http://museum.gov.ns.ca/mikmaq/mp0349.htm 1929
       Oct 15, 2005 @ 05:17 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18544. oldest working rock in america candidate looks good up close
       the surprising discovery on the internet last night of a new candidate for oldest working rock in america got me cranking first thing this morning & down
       Oct 16, 2005 @ 00:47 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18545. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: The Journal of Andrew Ellicott
       Please see my insertions below. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: aletheia kallos To:
       Oct 16, 2005 @ 04:35 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
18546. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: The Journal of Andrew Ellicott
       ... bravo in general & a specific hurrah below ... haha as always ... great thinking & certainly worth checking on the ground who knows we may even get another
       Oct 16, 2005 @ 12:48 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18547. djeret try update looking dim from angola but with a glimmer
       http://www.angolapress-angop.ao/noticia-e.asp?ID=383617 aha for doesnt this latest ethiopian twist into we are not selective as to who to meet or how to meet &
       Oct 16, 2005 @ 13:45 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18548. wild but valiant & picturesque cninnpw try
       this article identifies one of the cninnp tripoints by the name kalipani http://newsblaze.com/story/20051016115058nnnn.nb/newsblaze/TOPSTORY/Top-Story.html
       Oct 16, 2005 @ 21:19 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18549. Re: wild but valiant & picturesque cninnpw try
       another account of a try to reach kalipani http://www.blog.com.np/?p=661 which however was interrupted & prevented by maoist guerrillas nevertheless confirms a
       Oct 17, 2005 @ 17:27 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18550. ctmany tripoint dance etc
       http://theseoultimes.com/ST/?url=/ST/db/read.php?idx=1094 but the explanation given by the perambulator for why the name of connecticut is not engraved on the
       Oct 17, 2005 @ 23:31 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18551. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: The Journal of Andrew Ellicott
       Again, please see my insertions below. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: aletheia kallos To:
       Oct 18, 2005 @ 02:19 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
18552. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: The Journal of Andrew Ellicott
       ... i understand & anticipated or followed your entire explanation without surprise or even a hiccup except i dont see why the intersections or junctions of
       Oct 18, 2005 @ 07:36 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18553. djeret try is unstuck but takes at least 18 giant steps backward
       http://news.ft.com/cms/s/37d444f2-3f74-11da-932f-00000e2511c8.html __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page!
       Oct 18, 2005 @ 07:43 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18554. perceived likelihood of a breakaway somaliland tripoint grows
       http://www.pinr.com/report.php?ac=view_report&report_id=383&language_id=1 yum but where they would put it is still a mystery __________________________________
       Oct 18, 2005 @ 14:22 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18555. Re: Boundary Rock
       wow brent many thanxxx & please see my comments below ... again extreme thanxxx for both filling me in & saving me a lot of steps my hardest questions now are
       Oct 18, 2005 @ 19:58 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18556. oldest working rock in america candidate still problematic
       to add to my initial excitement & findings just posted here by bcc it turns out my new friend & local informant brent actually lives not in the boundary rock
       Oct 18, 2005 @ 21:59 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
18557. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: The Journal of Andrew Ellicott
       Please see my insertions below. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: aletheia kallos To:
       Oct 19, 2005 @ 04:05 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
18558. djeret lead party nitty gritty in a nutshell is more yanks & laffs
       more fascinating reading than usual too http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/RWB.NSF/db900SID/EVOD-6HBD38?OpenDocument __________________________________ Yahoo! Music
       Oct 19, 2005 @ 13:08 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18559. Re: The Journal of Andrew Ellicott
       lowell ... well i certainly dont know yet either but since i am most intrigued by the possibilities of ellicott mound multipoints i have projected your range
       Oct 19, 2005 @ 20:40 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18560. Re: The Journal of Andrew Ellicott
       oh & getting back to the question of the oldest surviving mound i am glad it is looking like you will have easy access to the flood plain where all these
       Oct 19, 2005 @ 21:09 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18561. bigs mull djeret try debacle
       http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=16287&Cr=eritrea&Cr1= __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors Choice 2005
       Oct 19, 2005 @ 22:55 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18562. hi ho its hapiri ho again
       on a cool & creamy morning jc & i are off to hapiri in a moment legendary sunken tripoint of the berkshires with inflatable raft metal detector probing rod
       Oct 20, 2005 @ 11:55 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18563. hapiri visited without doubt but we still have somewhere to go
       the summary report of our full day of play retrying us2ma3be4hapiri is our previous best try of a fairly uncertain class c visit within stone throwing range
       Oct 20, 2005 @ 23:06 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
18564. hapiri geocoords but why
       owing to a crush of other events this morning i scarcely resumed the hapiri try again before noon when i finally succeeded in extracting from the usgs topo the
       Oct 21, 2005 @ 17:13 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18565. RE: [BoundaryPoint] hapiri geocoords but why
       Even with precise coordinates and a WAAS enabled GPSr you will not get closer than about 10m accuracy. Just try standing in one spot with the GPSr and watch it
       Oct 21, 2005 @ 18:04 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18566. RE: [BoundaryPoint] hapiri geocoords but why
       haha & thanx very much hugh for this substantial corroboration of my overall impression of gps tech & i assume you are talking about most commercial civilian
       Oct 21, 2005 @ 21:08 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18567. RE: [BoundaryPoint] hapiri geocoords but why
       I very much doubt that any civilian would have anything more accurate than what I described and it seems unlikely to me even for military personnel. As I
       Oct 21, 2005 @ 21:58 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18568. RE: [BoundaryPoint] hapiri geocoords but why
       all very interesting but i still have to wonder what of our friends the surveyors who routinely give gps generated latitudes & longitudes in degminsec plus 5
       Oct 21, 2005 @ 23:26 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18569. Re: [borderpoint] Quadripoints?
       Hi! The Great African Quadriplex of BWNAZMZW is not clearly defined as a single geodetic point the way the Boundary Crosses at Baarle (BENLBENL) and Jungholz
       Oct 22, 2005 @ 06:18 - jim van dura (jim van dura <jimvandura@...>)
18570. bwnazmzw
       besides including this firsthand corroboration by henry of jims view http://groups.yahoo.com/group/borderpoint/message/266 i would like to show the satpic
       Oct 22, 2005 @ 16:54 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18571. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: The Journal of Andrew Ellicott
       I have heard from John Shankland of the Principal Meridian Project, who confirms that the initial points of the Washington Meridian and the St. Helena Meridian
       Oct 22, 2005 @ 20:40 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
18572. Re: [BoundaryPoint] bwnazmzw
       ok back again to add but the thing that is so good & revolutionary about jims view here http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/18569 & which i
       Oct 22, 2005 @ 20:41 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18573. Re: [BoundaryPoint] bwnazmzw
       Isn t it amazing how some of us seem to care more about the precise relationship of the boundaries of these four nations than do the four nations themselves?
       Oct 22, 2005 @ 20:57 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
18574. SV: [BoundaryPoint] bwnazmzw
       I think many governments could learn a lot from us ;-) Jesper _____ Fra: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com] På vegne af
       Oct 22, 2005 @ 21:08 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18575. Re: The Journal of Andrew Ellicott
       yikes good going & hardly sad or unfortunate but only more fascinating & challenging now for one thing it means your hypothesis was anticipated by & worthy of
       Oct 22, 2005 @ 21:51 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18576. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] bwnazmzw
       haha well i think it was wolfgang who first noticed & audibly suggested that we might actually be developing a whole new way of thinking & being here at bp
       Oct 23, 2005 @ 11:10 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18577. Order of Malta [book excerpt]
       Dear members, As I ve promised, I ll come up with everything I find interesting or useful from my Faculty textbooks. So here it is, an exceprt from Public
       Oct 23, 2005 @ 11:20 - Lucas ("Lucas" <lucas_v1@...>)
18578. SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] bwnazmzw
       I will get my pix on Wednesday and have plans to make a page with photos and maps. I may write a small (undocumented) report (at Borderpoint) before then.
       Oct 23, 2005 @ 11:24 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18579. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Order of Malta [book excerpt]
       thanx cool stuff imagine what tripoints they must have there with no territory & no citizens to look for them & what a great health plan too ...
       Oct 23, 2005 @ 12:09 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18580. Re: bwnazmzw
       well i realized you were just wagging as usual with this quizzical comment since you know or at least it has already been reported here that namibia & botswana
       Oct 24, 2005 @ 14:29 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18581. djeret try keeps weirding out
       http://za.today.reuters.com/news/NewsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2005-10-24T142845Z_01_BAN452164_RTRIDST_0_OZATP-ERITREA-ETHIOPIA-20051024.XML
       Oct 24, 2005 @ 15:27 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18582. China-Afghanistan
       China and Afghanistan share a relatively small common border. Has anyone seen a picture of the border crossing? Just after the U.S. went into Afghanistan I
       Oct 24, 2005 @ 17:09 - Kirk ("Kirk" <kirkman123@...>)
18583. SV: [BoundaryPoint] China-Afghanistan
       It’s surely a high altitude border crossing. http://sunsite.berkeley.edu:8085/tajikistan/100k/10-43-101.jpg + attachment Can it really be so busy? Biger’s
       Oct 24, 2005 @ 17:32 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
18584. SV: [BoundaryPoint] China-Afghanistan
       Poor photo, could be anywhere http://english.people.com.cn/english/200110/09/eng20011009_81862.html Jesper _____ Fra: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
       Oct 24, 2005 @ 17:42 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18585. China-Afghan
       That photo is on the China-Pakistan boundary (click on the photo for a lareger version and caption). There is no sealed road at the Afghan boundary I am sure!
       Oct 25, 2005 @ 00:38 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
18586. Re: [BoundaryPoint] China-Afghan
       right & according to this http://www.iwpr.net/archive/arr/arr_200210_32_3_eng.txt there was not yet any road crossing as of 2002 but only a solitary bulldozer
       Oct 25, 2005 @ 04:39 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18587. Re: [BoundaryPoint] China-Afghanistan
       According to the Google cache of this website:
       Oct 25, 2005 @ 11:23 - Richard Lam ("Richard Lam" <richardlam11@...>)
18588. Re: China-Afghanistan with pink alert
       thanx richard our regular tashkurgan man thats a real breakthru here 7 official & or unofficial mountain passes at least hence much more than previously
       Oct 25, 2005 @ 15:02 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18589. in further pursuit of afcnpk or maybe afcnjk before we get there
       geology quickens geography & softens history while advancing the try for this elusive trifinium on a nameless pamir
       Oct 25, 2005 @ 16:36 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18590. better link here Re: [BoundaryPoint] in further pursuit of afcnpk or maybe afcnjk before we get there
       apologies if that was doa & heres a hopefully better link to the same article http://www.wpherald.com/storyview.php?StoryID=20051025-121015-6209r ...
       Oct 25, 2005 @ 16:45 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18591. RE: [BoundaryPoint] in further pursuit of afcnpk or maybe afcnjk before we get there
       Page not found :( :( _____ From: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of aletheia kallos Sent: Tuesday, October 25,
       Oct 25, 2005 @ 16:46 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18592. Re: in further pursuit of afcnpk or maybe afcnjk before we get there
       yikes but do these 2 unsmiling faces mean both pages were unfound ... t=ms&k=Boundary+scan&w1=Boundary+scan&w2=Bound ...
       Oct 25, 2005 @ 17:04 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18593. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: in further pursuit of afcnpk or maybe afcnjk before we get there
       The replacement link you sent while I was composing and sending my unsmiles worked just fine - thanks :) :) _____ From: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
       Oct 25, 2005 @ 17:12 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18594. better link here Re: [BoundaryPoint] in further pursuit of afcnpk or maybe afcnjk before we get there
       & i should probably add to forestall any needless confusion as well as to report some actual confusion that the afcnpk trifinium falls most likely not at the
       Oct 25, 2005 @ 20:50 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18595. but yikes afcntj looks to be off peak now too
       this soviet topo shows the former afcnsu which is now afcntj 20 meters lower than & several hundred meters away from the peak of mt povalo shveikovski
       Oct 25, 2005 @ 21:42 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18596. AW: [BoundaryPoint] but yikes afcntj looks to be off peak now too
       What is the truth here ? You allude to a common feature of Soviet - and also modern Russian management of bordes/boundaries: Nobody knows for sure. In
       Oct 26, 2005 @ 10:45 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
18597. DEPLCZ
       I am in Europe. Last week, I made it to the DEPLCZ tripoint. I first saw the tripoint in Zittau DE. After getting my Canadian passport stamped at Zittau DE,
       Oct 26, 2005 @ 10:55 - xachary04 ("xachary04" <xachary04@...>)
18598. Re: but yikes afcntj looks to be off peak now too
       thanx for your kind wishes wolfgang tho i have to note the rest of your response is oranges to my apples as i was asking about the fully accepted common
       Oct 26, 2005 @ 12:03 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18599. Re: DEPLCZ
       bravo mike the relatively dry conditions make it sound like you must have come closer to the actual tripoint than anyone has ever reported here before & we
       Oct 26, 2005 @ 12:04 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18600. Re: but yikes afcntj looks to be off peak now too
       aha i think i may have answered my own question in morning light much to my satisfaction for i believe it is true that all 3 treaties mentioning this tripoint
       Oct 26, 2005 @ 13:01 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18601. djeret try keeps warping off the map
       http://allafrica.com/stories/200510260006.html http://www.cnn.com/2005/TRAVEL/10/26/eritrea.tourism.reut/
       Oct 26, 2005 @ 13:53 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18602. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: but yikes afcntj looks to be off peak now too
       The relevance was relating to your unusual seriousness with which you referred to Soviet maps. As I skip 99% of your stories, you are well invited to skip
       Oct 26, 2005 @ 14:40 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
18603. Re: but yikes afcntj looks to be off peak now too
       hahahaaah but we use the best available maps all the time my dear mumble bumblish
       Oct 26, 2005 @ 14:53 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18604. Re: DEPLCZ
       I was right there. That creek between Poland and the Czech Republic was completely dry. There is a nice bike trail that is on the Czech side that runs
       Oct 26, 2005 @ 17:15 - xachary04 ("xachary04" <xachary04@...>)
18605. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: but yikes afcntj looks to be off peak now too
       Heisenberg s Uncertainty Principle prevails here. To locate a tripoint in a non-demarcated situation, together with rather unspecific treaties, and markers
       Oct 26, 2005 @ 17:27 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
18606. Re: but yikes afcntj looks to be off peak now too
       thank you doctor we have reason to believe it may actually be monumented tho if you noticed
       Oct 26, 2005 @ 17:37 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18607. Re: DEPLCZ
       thank you again mike for the freshness & immediacy of this first hand experience to inspire & devour reports like this is why i am here at bp
       Oct 26, 2005 @ 17:42 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18608. Re: but yikes afcntj looks to be off peak now too
       & the 2 reasons that we have to believe afcntj may actually be monumented are first the topo itself here
       Oct 26, 2005 @ 20:00 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18609. bigs move to snuff eret crisis by forcing immediate djeret try
       http://www.sudantribune.com/article.php3?id_article=12280 __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click.
       Oct 27, 2005 @ 11:38 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18610. RE: [BoundaryPoint] bigs move to snuff eret crisis by forcing immediate djeret try
       Who is bigs ? When is s/he going to visit the tripoint ? _____ From: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
       Oct 27, 2005 @ 11:54 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18611. Re: bigs move to snuff eret crisis by forcing immediate djeret try
       the bigs are the united nations security council in shorthand sort of like the supremes etc only different
       Oct 27, 2005 @ 12:01 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18612. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: bigs move to snuff eret crisis by forcing immediate djeret try
       ... ...but their hair isn t so interesting and I don t think they can sing very well :) _____ From: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
       Oct 27, 2005 @ 12:08 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18613. Re: bigs move to snuff eret crisis by forcing immediate djeret try
       hahaha & they had big wigs too
       Oct 27, 2005 @ 12:22 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18614. China - Afghanistan
       Some resource in Chinese on the subject Boundary treaty between PRC and the Kingdom of Afghanistan signed in 1963
       Oct 27, 2005 @ 12:40 - Richard Lam ("Richard Lam" <richardlam11@...>)
18615. Re: bigs move to snuff eret crisis by forcing immediate djeret try
       oops i missed your other part the when of the tripoint visit the plan since 2000 has been to proceed as immediately as possible to mark in a simultaneous &
       Oct 27, 2005 @ 12:50 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18616. Re: [BoundaryPoint] China - Afghanistan
       thanx very much richard for all of this & please see my inserted comment & question below ... http://www.fmprc.gov.cn/chn/wjb/zzjg/yzs/gjlb/1206/1207/t5466.htm
       Oct 27, 2005 @ 14:39 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18617. [No Subject]
       Colleagues: The 2006 version of my annual border calendar is done. It features images from Baarle, several tripoints, and a selection of European (and one
       Oct 27, 2005 @ 18:05 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
18618. Re: [BoundaryPoint] China - Afghanistan
       Hi, Pls see my inserts in blue ... From: aletheia kallos To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 10:39 PM Subject: Re:
       Oct 28, 2005 @ 02:17 - Richard Lam ("Richard Lam" <richardlam11@...>)
18619. gone fishing for vermont secession & associated new tripoints
       will be cruising to montpelier by moonlight later tonight up the ethan allen highway in fact to the vermont independence convention in the freakin state house
       Oct 28, 2005 @ 06:26 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18620. Re: China-Afghan boundary
       A little more info from a colleague updating the 1963 treaty. ..demarcation was carried out in 1964 and that the surveyors prepared a map and it was attached
       Oct 28, 2005 @ 07:25 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
18621. RE: [BoundaryPoint] gone fishing for vermont secession & associated new tripoints
       If you are going to treat vt as independent I suppose there is a question as to whether these really are the only tricountry points in america north of
       Oct 28, 2005 @ 12:08 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18622. Re: [BoundaryPoint] gone fishing for vermont secession & associated new tripoints
       While many of the Indian tribes and nations of the USA and Canada have various degrees of internal sovereignty recognized by the respective American and
       Oct 28, 2005 @ 17:53 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
18623. RE: [BoundaryPoint] gone fishing for vermont secession & associated new tripoints
       well i really havent treated vermont as independent yet but did help pass 2 resolutions very much to that end earlier today along with a couple hundred other
       Oct 29, 2005 @ 06:29 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18624. morning rushes
       http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051029/NEWS/510290372/1002 __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors Choice
       Oct 29, 2005 @ 14:10 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18625. Re: [BoundaryPoint] gone fishing for vermont secession & associated new tripoints
       ... all fronts for dealing with whites & not intrinsic to their nation as such so much for technicality but i wouldnt try to tell the mohawks they arent one
       Oct 29, 2005 @ 18:49 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18626. a few miscellaneous highlights from yesterday & pix of tripoints
       since it was all so overwhelming as well as peripheral to our topic i wont try to tell a whole story tho i was among the first to arrive & last to leave
       Oct 29, 2005 @ 20:31 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
18627. AW: [BoundaryPoint] a few miscellaneous highlights from yesterday & pix of tripoints
       This is what I long waited for. How can a nation consisting of 50 or so states continue to exist for so long in this world of boredom!? There MUST be somebody
       Oct 30, 2005 @ 06:01 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
18628. Re: a few miscellaneous highlights from yesterday & pix of tripoints
       thanx & we are in solidarity then as we proceed in our riotous escapade each standing up as an independency & a law unto self & no longer even needing to make
       Oct 30, 2005 @ 14:39 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18629. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: a few miscellaneous highlights from yesterday & pix of tripoints
       There´s only one answer to that: 42 ! There´s only one answer to that: 42 !
       Oct 30, 2005 @ 14:49 - Roger McCutcheon ("Roger McCutcheon" <rogerdwmac@...>)
18630. Re: a few miscellaneous highlights from yesterday & pix of tripoints
       ... laffs & thanx & welcomes & glad i googled to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meaning_of_life about 3 quarters of the way down the page under humorous
       Oct 30, 2005 @ 15:13 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18631. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: a few miscellaneous highlights from yesterday & pix of tripoints
       Thanks for that very useful link Aletheiak (if that is indeed your name): no doubt you realized that I put 42 in those parentheses so that it would not
       Oct 30, 2005 @ 15:38 - Roger McCutcheon ("Roger McCutcheon" <rogerdwmac@...>)
18632. Re: China - Afghanistan
       thanx again richard & i didnt mean to space this out in all the recent excitement but i have fairly positively identified your tokmansu pass as the tegermensu
       Oct 30, 2005 @ 17:50 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18633. Re: bigs move to snuff eret crisis by forcing immediate djeret try
       & here are some of the fascinating particulars of both the when & the how of the djeret try as well as the presumably ensuing eretsd try
       Oct 30, 2005 @ 19:36 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18634. China-Afghanistan
       It seems that many years ago National Geographic had an expedition traverse the Wakhan Valley of Afghanistan, and entered China via an established road,
       Oct 30, 2005 @ 21:58 - Kirk ("Kirk" <kirkman123@...>)
18635. Re: China-Afghanistan
       ... yes all the data we have seen here strongly suggest all 7 or more afcn passes are still ungraded pack trails but with a good deal of traffic on them
       Oct 31, 2005 @ 13:43 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18636. Re: italy san marino secondary tripoint quartet reported & now sighted
       bravo jesper as reported last night at bp cubed http://www.geocities.com/jesniel/itsm/p9.htm a fairly considered reaching & showing off of 1 of these 4 &
       Oct 31, 2005 @ 15:32 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18637. eritrea nails bigs for goldbricking on djeret try as they ponder new resolve
       http://allafrica.com/stories/200510310110.html __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
       Oct 31, 2005 @ 16:06 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18638. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: italy san marino secondary tripoint quartet reported & now sighted
       itsm2chermhe I believe _____ Fra: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com] På vegne af aletheiak Sendt: 31. oktober 2005 16:32
       Oct 31, 2005 @ 17:03 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18639. Re: a few miscellaneous highlights from yesterday & pix of tripoints
       ... realized that I put 42 in those parentheses so that it would not appear as 42! , i.e. factorial 42 which is of course approximately 1.405 times 10 to
       Oct 31, 2005 @ 17:47 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18640. Re: Boundary Rock
       ... great news my friend after some initial reticence followed by a long delay the fairfield historical society just called me back to confirm they would be
       Oct 31, 2005 @ 18:12 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18641. SMh
       This is my interpretation of SMh. But hard to determine on this place were this castle seems to grow on the mountain. I was also inside the tower of
       Oct 31, 2005 @ 19:08 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
18642. AW: [BoundaryPoint] SMh
       Well, well, nice picture, but... Could it be that the highest man in SM was on the OTHER tower? I was unable years ago to find somebody in SM who could
       Oct 31, 2005 @ 20:50 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
18643. Re: [BoundaryPoint] SMh
       I hoped to find such answers in my copy of The Hammod World Atlas, a 1989 paperback version of which I obtained from Newsweek, and which contains such useful
       Oct 31, 2005 @ 21:04 - Roger McCutcheon ("Roger McCutcheon" <rogerdwmac@...>)
18644. Re: SMh
       may i say i find your itsm2chermhe call far more credible than this smh claim or try for of course castles do grow on mountains just as lightning rods or tv
       Oct 31, 2005 @ 22:02 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18645. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: SMh
       I appreciate your thoughts well. But since all we do is nonsense anyway, it does not matter how non-sensical we are in our hobbies. Greetings to all
       Nov 01, 2005 @ 08:50 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
18646. AW: [BoundaryPoint] SMh
       Usually such compendiums are utterly wrong in tricky questions such as highest points of Vatican or SM as you say, but also Italy, for example. I wonder whet
       Nov 01, 2005 @ 08:50 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
18647. Re: [BoundaryPoint] SMh
       According to the Hammond World Atlas the highest poit of Italy is Dufourspitze (4.634 metres) which sounds a bit Germanic, presumably because it´s on the
       Nov 01, 2005 @ 10:49 - Roger McCutcheon ("Roger McCutcheon" <rogerdwmac@...>)
18648. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: China-Afghanistan
       It appears that such a trip would not be a simple undertaking. Chinese websites says that researchers who have been near the area say that the area is
       Nov 01, 2005 @ 12:17 - Richard Lam ("Richard Lam" <richardlam11@...>)
18649. AW: [BoundaryPoint] SMh
       As expected. Totally wrong. The summit of Dufourspitze is the highest point in Switzerland, and a purely Swiss summit, although the Italian border is only 150
       Nov 01, 2005 @ 13:07 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
18650. Re: [BoundaryPoint] SMh
       The highest point in Italy is near the summit of Mont Blanc (Monte Bianco), on the border of Italy, France, and Switzerland; the peak, located in France, is
       Nov 01, 2005 @ 13:24 - Barry Arnold ("Barry Arnold" <barry_432@...>)
18651. Re: [BoundaryPoint] SMh
       The Hammond Atlas does also give Dufourspitze as the highest point in Italy: as for Vatican City, San Marino and Monaco the only statistics offered are for
       Nov 01, 2005 @ 13:41 - Roger McCutcheon ("Roger McCutcheon" <rogerdwmac@...>)
18652. Re: SMh
       well i appreciate your greetings wolfgang & the fact that you so sensibly appreciate my thoughts too or at least these particular thoughts even if you dont
       Nov 01, 2005 @ 14:06 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18653. Re: [BoundaryPoint] SMh
       Here is some relevant information from Le Petit Larousse: ROSE (mont), massif des Alpes partagé entre la Suisse et l´Italie; 4.634 m à la pointe Dufour.
       Nov 01, 2005 @ 14:47 - Roger McCutcheon ("Roger McCutcheon" <rogerdwmac@...>)
18654. Words, words, words!
       I learned a new one today, thanks to Countdown on the UK´s Cannel 4 television, which is relevant to us: ubiety : the state of being in a definite place
       Nov 01, 2005 @ 16:13 - Roger McCutcheon ("Roger McCutcheon" <rogerdwmac@...>)
18655. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: SMh
       More nonsense, cast into words. ... Von: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von aletheiak Gesendet: Dienstag, 1.
       Nov 01, 2005 @ 16:30 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
18656. Re: "More nonsense, cast into words."
       Wolfgang, Did you just join the group? We ve been enduring these interminable abominations already for the longest time. Todd ... From: Wolfgang Schaub
       Nov 01, 2005 @ 16:35 - Shandelman, Todd ("Shandelman, Todd" <todd.shandelman@...>)
18657. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Words, words, words!
       yes, everyone has to be somewhere ________________________________ From: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
       Nov 01, 2005 @ 16:48 - Bill Burke ("Bill Burke" <billb@...>)
18658. Re: "More nonsense, cast into words."
       hahahahaha remember this golden oldie todd http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/3977 hahahahahaha ahhhh thank you ... Auftrag von aletheiak ...
       Nov 01, 2005 @ 17:21 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18659. Re: SMh
       hahaha relevant to what ... Alpes partagé entre la Suisse et l´Italie; 4.634 m à la pointe Dufour. DUFOUR (pointe), point culminant du massif du
       Nov 01, 2005 @ 17:45 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18660. Re: [BoundaryPoint] SMh
       I thought I´d better check again; I don´t like to leave matters of such import uninvestigated, and as it´s not covenient for me to go to Mont Blanc tonight
       Nov 01, 2005 @ 19:47 - Roger McCutcheon ("Roger McCutcheon" <rogerdwmac@...>)
18661. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Words, words, words!
       Still have to photograph the border between nowhere and somewhere, and between here an there. Jesper _____ Fra: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
       Nov 01, 2005 @ 19:56 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18662. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Words, words, words!
       re: the boundary between here and there and nowhere and somewhere, is that a four-pointer? Good luck finding it: it may not be clearly marked, but do let us
       Nov 01, 2005 @ 20:57 - Roger McCutcheon ("Roger McCutcheon" <rogerdwmac@...>)
18663. Re: [BoundaryPoint] SMh
       Hi, after reading previous postings about highest points in small countries, I found an internet link that you all might want to check out. Of course, it may
       Nov 01, 2005 @ 20:59 - Hill TK (Hill TK <wackytaz7@...>)
18664. Re: Words, words, words!
       thanx for thinking of a multipoint ... pointer? Good luck finding it: it may not be clearly marked, but do let us know if you do! Roger.
       Nov 01, 2005 @ 21:08 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18665. eritrea keeps blasting bigs for their feckless djeret try
       even as they are stalling or deliberating the continuation in new york http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N01122377.htm
       Nov 01, 2005 @ 21:28 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18666. AW: [BoundaryPoint] SMh
       15 minutes from the summit of Mt Blanc over to the Mt Blanc de Courmayeur: this must be a record runner who is able to do this in 15 minutes! So I gather the
       Nov 02, 2005 @ 06:16 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
18667. Re: [BoundaryPoint] SMh (Mont Blanc)
       For what it´s worth I consulted a French road atlas (1:1,250,000) by L Institut Géographique National which does show Mont Blanc (4807m) smack on the border
       Nov 02, 2005 @ 07:22 - Roger McCutcheon ("Roger McCutcheon" <rogerdwmac@...>)
18668. ITh
       Perhaps some of these interactive maps announced on Arif s beautiful collection may help us solve the ITh issue. http://members.aol.com/marismits/EurLinks.htm
       Nov 02, 2005 @ 08:29 - jesniel@image.dk (jesniel@...)
18669. AW: [BoundaryPoint] SMh
       Again, too inaccurate for my purpose: San Marino: Monte Titano is the overall name for 3 summits, 2 of which compete for the highest point Andorra and Vatican:
       Nov 02, 2005 @ 08:33 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
18670. Re: [BoundaryPoint] SMh (Mont Blanc)
       ... Of more relevance to us ... & thanx roger for referring to an actual multipoint since relevance & authenticity are highly valued here at bp as i am
       Nov 02, 2005 @ 08:52 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18671. Re: ITh
       hahaha goofing off again are you well i would never hire you to work for me hahaha just kidding off course hey but what if i did pay you to create a bogus
       Nov 02, 2005 @ 09:12 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18672. AW: [BoundaryPoint] SMh (Mont Blanc)
       The scale of course is much too large. You need at least a map 1 : 100,000 (findable in the web). The distance between Mt Blanc summit and Mt Blanc de
       Nov 02, 2005 @ 09:18 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
18673. chfrit was Re: [BoundaryPoint] SMh (Mont Blanc)
       ok now we at least have it in view http://www.nigelspencer.co.uk/web-pages/by-country/the-alps-pages/alps-dolent.htm & happily theres more to climb on top of
       Nov 02, 2005 @ 09:23 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18674. just out from multidimensional reality todays special web offering
       & of course awesome on the money as usual cubed so i have taken the rare liberty of inserting & transliterating the english text into my regular barbarian with
       Nov 02, 2005 @ 13:13 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18675. bolivian breakaway tripoint probabilities continue in crisis mode
       fast moving updates http://narcosphere.narconews.com/story/2005/11/1/224616/332 http://narcosphere.narconews.com/story/2005/10/31/75433/213
       Nov 02, 2005 @ 22:41 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18676. still unresolved bigs dispatch japanese ambassador to djeret try
       http://news.monstersandcritics.com/africa/article_1059333.php/U.N._warns_of_escalating_conflict_on_Ethiopia-Eritrea_border __________________________________
       Nov 03, 2005 @ 00:44 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18677. thailand-myanmar
       Hi folks, I crossed lots of borders this summer but haven t had a lot of time to post pictures. I ve attached two here-the first is a reference marker on the
       Nov 03, 2005 @ 04:42 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
18678. picture 2
       This is the sign explaining the reference marker. Dr. Dallen J. Timothy School of Community Resources and Development PO Box
       Nov 03, 2005 @ 04:45 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
18679. my new border website
       I m in the process of creating a place on my Website for border pictures. It s not up and running yet, but I ve got lots to upload. Look for it soon, as I ll
       Nov 03, 2005 @ 04:56 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
18680. one more time
       Don t know what happened to the last email...I m in the process of creating a place on my Website for border pictures. It s not up and running yet, but I ve
       Nov 03, 2005 @ 04:58 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
18681. RE: [BoundaryPoint] one more time
       Dallen The site does not appear to work. Jesper CET 08:45 am ... creating a place on my Website for border pictures. It s not up and running yet, but I ve got
       Nov 03, 2005 @ 07:46 - jesniel@image.dk (jesniel@...)
18682. Re: [BoundaryPoint] thailand-myanmar
       handsome rock & insignia dallen how far from the lammth confluence tripoint is it & please be sure to let us here & particularly the borderpoint group
       Nov 03, 2005 @ 11:43 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18683. Extremum
       This is not a Boundary Point point, but as I think geographical extrema are also of interest, this one has just come to my attention: the highest village in
       Nov 03, 2005 @ 12:56 - Roger McCutcheon ("Roger McCutcheon" <rogerdwmac@...>)
18684. Re: Extremum
       true an extremum is not a natural bp point but i agree it & extrema in general are nice & as recently observed this village could easily become an authentic
       Nov 03, 2005 @ 13:42 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18685. RE: [BoundaryPoint] thailand-myanmar
       It s about 100 meters or less from the tripoint. ________________________________ From: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com on behalf of aletheia kallos Sent: Thu
       Nov 03, 2005 @ 14:48 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
18686. RE: [BoundaryPoint] thailand-myanmar
       wonderful you may thus actually be reporting the closest known visit to date can you place yourself & this rock in any of the panoramic views of the confluence
       Nov 03, 2005 @ 17:31 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18687. RE: [BoundaryPoint] thailand-myanmar
       Actually I was within three meters of the exact tripoint on a Mekong River boat. I ll post more pictures on my new website over the next week or so. Dallen ...
       Nov 03, 2005 @ 18:06 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
18688. new border pictures
       Hi, I ve started putting up pictures on the following URL: http://www.public.asu.edu/%7Edtimoth/borderindex.htm Have fun with them. I ll post many more over
       Nov 03, 2005 @ 19:11 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
18689. Re: thailand-myanmar
       fantastic i can scarcely wait & from what you have said so far i am gathering that the rock & sign you have already shown are situated just above the right or
       Nov 03, 2005 @ 19:18 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18690. SV: [BoundaryPoint] new border pictures
       Beautiful beatiful. Comments and questions later Jesper _____ Fra: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com] På vegne af Dallen
       Nov 03, 2005 @ 19:26 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18691. djeret try deteriorates further as united nations resolution stalls
       http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5390000,00.html
       Nov 03, 2005 @ 19:47 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18692. big photo but new purported djeret try envoy claims limited role
       yikes apparently he wont even be consulting with the parties but only looking in on the peace keepers to see how they are managing
       Nov 04, 2005 @ 02:16 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18693. Re: odds scramble as kosovo tripoint final status talks grow imminent
       & a month later all the more imminent & likely http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L02522438.htm so call an independent kosovo & the prospective kosovo
       Nov 04, 2005 @ 17:38 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18694. SV: [BoundaryPoint] new border pictures
       Looking at the China-Myanmar pictures there seem to be no ”Nix Photo” rules there. Example
       Nov 04, 2005 @ 21:48 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18695. RE: [BoundaryPoint] new border pictures
       Well, the main stone by the road and arch (where all our group members are standing), and the arch itself, is clearly a popular spot with tourists to take
       Nov 04, 2005 @ 22:05 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
18696. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] new border pictures
       ... whattt
       Nov 04, 2005 @ 22:05 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18697. Two Japanese Tripoints visited
       Really they were rather disappointing though - and only able to do class b visits even though one was dry and, according to the best topos I can find (from
       Nov 05, 2005 @ 13:56 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18698. Re: Two Japanese Tripoints visited
       well i am not disappointed hugh & dont see why anyone need be you bring us our premier japanese tries & some original findings so nice going we already had
       Nov 05, 2005 @ 17:21 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18699. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: odds scramble as kosovo tripoint final status talks grow imminent
       You didn t post anything yesterday, Aletheiak. Anything wrong with you? Not even talking to yourself? W. ... Von: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
       Nov 06, 2005 @ 04:28 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
18700. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Two Japanese Tripoints visited
       Pictures now available at http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/Japan_2005-11-05/ - a.k.a. http://tinyurl.com/cjadj Enjoy _____ From:
       Nov 06, 2005 @ 07:51 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18701. Fw: field trip please
       I think some of us are taking ourselves a bit too seriously: I hope this will serve as an antidote! Subject: TR: field trip please strange happenings...
       Nov 06, 2005 @ 12:04 - Roger McCutcheon ("Roger McCutcheon" <rogerdwmac@...>)
18702. Re: odds scramble as kosovo tripoint final status talks grow imminent
       haha you must have been slighted or backed up by the yahoo email server again gnagflow wonder why it isnt repaying you 100 percent for all your multipointing
       Nov 06, 2005 @ 13:02 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18703. Re: Fw: field trip please
       haha that may be roger & i cant speak for some of us or even for more than 1 of us truly but i do know many of us are at least in earnest about our chosen
       Nov 06, 2005 @ 13:31 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18704. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Two Japanese Tripoints visited
       ahhhh what a pleasure hugh & many thanxxx for bringing all this so deftly into our living rooms this is the very state of our art here & exactly why i have
       Nov 06, 2005 @ 14:56 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18705. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Two Japanese Tripoints visited
       I think you are correct in your analysis of the actual locations vis à vis the photos. I walked up and down that road both sides looking carefully for any
       Nov 06, 2005 @ 22:45 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18706. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Two Japanese Tripoints visited
       ... thanx this thoro searching activity is all i really meant by scour tho actually cleaning the target area too has recovered more than 1 lost marker good
       Nov 06, 2005 @ 23:25 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18707. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Two Japanese Tripoints visited
       ... We ll see what happens this coming weekend. I have a conference in Tokyo all week but hope to get away on Friday early and head down to the west of the
       Nov 06, 2005 @ 23:35 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18708. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Two Japanese Tripoints visited
       Words, words, words (Hamlet). For the record Scour is one of those odd words which has several completely different senses, e.g.: vi - to range about,
       Nov 07, 2005 @ 05:58 - Roger McCutcheon ("Roger McCutcheon" <rogerdwmac@...>)
18709. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Two Japanese Tripoints visited
       Just having fun - I can imagine getting really serious and scrubbing the ground vigorously in hot pursuit of a marker too :) _____ From:
       Nov 07, 2005 @ 06:07 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18710. 7 of 15 german tristate points line up on new green bike route
       fresh report on german portion of projected iron curtain bike path http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,1765430,00.html doesnt mention the bikes or the
       Nov 07, 2005 @ 13:54 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18711. oshima on djeret try detail now shuttling from ababa to asmara
       better not take the helicopter tho http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=16470&Cr=ethiopia&Cr1=eritrea otherwise looking exactly like the late axworthy
       Nov 07, 2005 @ 23:04 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18712. Zittau
       I m back in Canada after four weeks in Europe. I uploaded my pictures to my computer. I just need to figure how to show pictures of Zittau, Snezka, and Cesky
       Nov 08, 2005 @ 14:21 - xachary04 ("xachary04" <xachary04@...>)
18713. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Zittau
       for your tripointing pix just attach them to yahoo emails like this one & send them here to bp where they will surely be well received as emails & archived as
       Nov 08, 2005 @ 14:54 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18714. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Zittau
       Are you crazy? Not all of us want to sit here for hours waiting until all the pics are sucked in! ... Von: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
       Nov 08, 2005 @ 15:31 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
18715. Re: Zittau
       i didnt imagine many tripointing pix perhaps all 3 or 4 attached to a single message but i would love to be wrong & so overwhelmed by them now that you mention
       Nov 08, 2005 @ 15:57 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18716. Re: Zittau
       What I will do is take the best picture samples, make them smaller and compress the files. For those of you who want larger pictures, perhaps you could email
       Nov 08, 2005 @ 16:22 - xachary04 ("xachary04" <xachary04@...>)
18717. Re: Zittau
       thats fine if necessary but you can attach up to 10 mb of pix to a yahoo message if you have the same service as in the usa
       Nov 08, 2005 @ 17:12 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18718. Re: Zittau
       ... who me haha whaddaya mean http://dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=8954&CatID=19
       Nov 08, 2005 @ 17:52 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18719. SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] new border pictures
       Isn’t this you on the far left, Mike?
       Nov 08, 2005 @ 20:14 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18720. Re: SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] new border pictures
       yeah ok thats me all right but what could i have been doing there so thinly disguised & hundreds of miles from any tripoint ...
       Nov 08, 2005 @ 21:01 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18721. special djeret try envoy from bigs is scarcely received in asmara
       http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=16487&Cr=ethiopia&Cr1=eritrea __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in
       Nov 08, 2005 @ 22:28 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18722. Llivia bordermarkers project completed
       Surf to http://www.grenspalen.nl/llivia/llivia-in-english.html Vriendelijke groet, Eef Berns ... websites: - de grenspalen van Nederland: www.grenspalen.nl -
       Nov 08, 2005 @ 22:56 - eefberns@grenspalen.nl (<eefberns@...>)
18723. RE: [borderpoint] Llivia bordermarkers project completed
       Eef Please feel free to use any of my photos at http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/Llivia/ if you want to display aspects of any of the markers
       Nov 09, 2005 @ 00:58 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18724. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Llivia bordermarkers project completed
       exquisitely done as usual eef & thanx to your fine detail maps & other data i was able to determine that at least 3 & likely as many as 6 of these 45 rocks
       Nov 09, 2005 @ 01:06 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18725. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Llivia bordermarkers project completed
       correction since the spanish province of girona is actually contained within the autonomous community of catalonia http://statoids.com/ues.html & since the
       Nov 09, 2005 @ 01:47 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18726. lots more border pics
       I just added many new pictures to my border site today. Please have a nice time looking. I ve got a lot in paper and old slide form, which I still need to scan
       Nov 09, 2005 @ 02:08 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
18727. Re: Llivia bordermarkers project completed
       ok eef i believe i have them all now thanx to your maps & this list http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerdanya#French_side as follows at marker 1 llivia with ur &
       Nov 09, 2005 @ 02:47 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18728. Re: [BoundaryPoint] lots more border pics
       judging from the ripples on the surface of the water the living thalweg junction tripoint is probably very near the lower right corner of this pic
       Nov 09, 2005 @ 03:25 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18729. Re: Llivia bordermarkers project completed
       & i am so exuberant about all these 45 trypoints & 7 tripoints eef that i would gladly keep searching & scouring for your 3 missing rocks but particularly for
       Nov 09, 2005 @ 14:36 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18730. actually djeret try leader oshima left them laughing in asmara
       http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/RWB.NSF/db900SID/KHII-6HY9MC?OpenDocument __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors Choice 2005
       Nov 09, 2005 @ 15:07 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18731. stalled djeret try cuts next from asmara to new york
       on an otherwise quiet news day in the world of multipointing http://www.eritreadaily.net/News1105/article200511102.htm __________________________________
       Nov 10, 2005 @ 15:34 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18732. clean break predicted for kosovo with no new tripoints foreseen
       other new balkanization & tripoints could result tho http://www.kosovo.com/news/archive/2005/November_11/1.html __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail
       Nov 11, 2005 @ 13:46 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18733. us2ca3alamel
       http://www.kirkwood.com/summer/kwlegacy1.html & there does appear to be a tricounty building indicated on the topo
       Nov 12, 2005 @ 15:32 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18734. us2nc3avbumc
       http://averymuseum.com/famous_louise.htm & tho the topo doesnt show a 3county structure in this case http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=35.95917&lon=-81.94306
       Nov 12, 2005 @ 16:03 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18735. us2mo3bocast
       http://thecaperock.com/articles/2002/05/county-lines/ whooops http://topozone.com/map.asp?z=16&n=4112845&e=245247&s=24&size=l&datum=nad83&layer=DRG25
       Nov 12, 2005 @ 16:05 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18736. Kyoto-Mie-Nara
       Watch out for my report on this Japanese prefectural tripoint visit sometime in the next 24 hours when I manage to get the web page up - off for another day s
       Nov 12, 2005 @ 21:53 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18737. Re: [BoundaryPoint] us2nc3avbumc
       Haha! I didn t believe your BOCAST prank for a moment, but wouldn t this CTNYRI pub really meld the AVBUMC and ALAMEL crawl try?
       Nov 12, 2005 @ 22:59 - jim van dura (jim van dura <jimvandura@...>)
18738. test (ignore)
       
       Nov 12, 2005 @ 23:14 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
18739. Re: [BoundaryPoint] us2nc3avbumc
       ah but your supposed ctnyri tripoint pub is looking purely fictitious too matey while my avbumc & alamel are at least still looking like a real pub crawl i
       Nov 12, 2005 @ 23:22 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
18740. VS: Old tp photo
       _____ Fra: Jesper Nielsen [mailto:jesniel@image.dk] Sendt: 13. november 2005 00:20 Til: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Emne: Old tp photo
       Nov 13, 2005 @ 01:31 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18741. Re: [BoundaryPoint] VS: Old tp photo
       hmm interesting so would this be bysnth then as in bavaria saxony thuringia http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/europe/germany.jpg probably not more likely one of
       Nov 13, 2005 @ 02:34 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18742. Re: VS: Old tp photo
       somewhat better map http://www.ieg-maps.uni-mainz.de/gif/71th_a4.htm confirms the only 2 likely locations for bavaria coburg meinengen tripoints but i find the
       Nov 13, 2005 @ 14:45 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18743. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: VS: Old tp photo
       Part of what was Thuringia yesterday belongs to Bavaria today. Examples: Coburg and Ostheim are Bavarian today. Some of the border corrections happened as a
       Nov 13, 2005 @ 15:04 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
18744. Re: VS: Old tp photo
       thanx confirming these must be tripoint ghosts only & i now realize possibly not even state line rocks any more either yikes so do these new facts on the
       Nov 13, 2005 @ 15:37 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18745. Unqualified success at Kanagawa-Shizuoka-Yamanashi
       Found and confirmed after sunset so all done in the dark - will post (flash) photos later - traffic awful so took 5 hours to reach my hotel afterwards - need
       Nov 13, 2005 @ 16:52 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18746. es2ascbcl
       pico tesorero http://www.smburgaleses.com/galeria/Picos%20de%20Europa/paginas/picos08.htm
       Nov 13, 2005 @ 22:03 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18747. AW: [BoundaryPoint] es2ascbcl
       The buzón shown in http://www.madejuno.com/veronica/tesorero.htm certainly is NOT a tripoint marker. As far as I can remember from my climb in 1967 there is
       Nov 14, 2005 @ 08:27 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
18748. Re: AW: [BoundaryPoint] es2ascbcl
       yes indeed your peak experience is well noted but info presented on the internet is often wrong we realize even when the writer isnt trying to obfuscate or
       Nov 14, 2005 @ 13:21 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18749. sudan breakup foreseen by 2011 suggests unsc failure by design
       the details arent very interesting frankly so you may prefer to skip lightly down to the conclusion anyway
       Nov 14, 2005 @ 14:48 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18750. Re: Unqualified success at Kanagawa-Shizuoka-Yamanashi
       well perhaps i should have said something corny about your finding a knszyn tripoint in the middle of japan there had it only been august just to get you going
       Nov 14, 2005 @ 16:31 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18751. for Brendan Whyte
       Hi Brendan, have you changed you email address at the university? My email has failed to get through. Evgeny
       Nov 15, 2005 @ 11:09 - Evgeny Vinokurov ("Evgeny Vinokurov" <evgeny@...>)
18752. theory of enclaves and exclaves
       Hello everybody, if you are interested in enclaves and exclaves, I have just uploaded a new version of the Theory of enclaves at my website,
       Nov 15, 2005 @ 13:35 - Evgeny Vinokurov ("Evgeny Vinokurov" <evgeny@...>)
18753. Re: theory of enclaves and exclaves
       hi & thanx & congrats evgeny & please be sure to report this new development to our international border section also at
       Nov 15, 2005 @ 14:53 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18754. still looking like an eggzil tripoint border post at kerem shalom
       http://english.wafa.ps/body.asp?id=4602 http://english.people.com.cn/200511/15/eng20051115_221451.html but how the tripoint itself will factor into this
       Nov 15, 2005 @ 17:48 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18755. My last 3 Japanese Tripoints
       Report is now available at http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/Japan_2005-11-12_to_2005-11-1 4/ - a.k.a. http://tinyurl.com/9gzsz This covers my
       Nov 15, 2005 @ 18:35 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18756. Re: [BoundaryPoint] My last 3 Japanese Tripoints
       great thanx hugh for all these wonderful rare treats not just from a new country but more like a whole nother world i am sure we are all looking forward to
       Nov 15, 2005 @ 19:33 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18757. Re: [BoundaryPoint] still looking like an eggzil tripoint border post at kerem shalom
       Regarding Palestinians, what passport do they hold? Would a Palestinian living in Jerusalem carry an Israeli passport, or would they be effectively stateless?
       Nov 15, 2005 @ 21:35 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
18758. SV: [BoundaryPoint] still looking like an eggzil tripoint border post at kerem shalom
       I am not sure. But I have often heard Palestinian refugees referred to as ”Stateless Palestinians”. Jesper _____ Fra: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
       Nov 15, 2005 @ 21:53 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18759. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] still looking like an eggzil tripoint border post at kerem shalom
       all palestinians whether from gaza or the west bank or even living in israel proper or outside all the above are palestinian citizens all right provided they
       Nov 15, 2005 @ 23:25 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18760. Re: [BoundaryPoint] still looking like an eggzil tripoint border post at kerem shalom
       Most Arabs living in Israel proper are full citizens of the State of Israel, entitled to Israeli passports. They make up almost 20 percent of the population.
       Nov 16, 2005 @ 04:53 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
18761. Re: [BoundaryPoint] still looking like an eggzil tripoint border post at kerem shalom
       It is the Palestinian refugees in other Arab countries (beyond Israel proper or the Palestinian Authority Areas) that are often stateless. Lowell G. McManus
       Nov 16, 2005 @ 04:56 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
18762. RE: [BoundaryPoint] us2mo3bocast
       That was great - internal law enforcement juristictions - I am sure it would be the same in the english counties. ...
       Nov 16, 2005 @ 16:27 - Barry Arnold ("Barry Arnold" <barry_432@...>)
18763. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] still looking like an eggzil tripoint border post at kerem shalom
       first thanx to lowell for the further elucidations & i must correct or rather improve upon myself also regarding not only eggzil but all 3 prospective
       Nov 16, 2005 @ 16:42 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18764. judea & samaria tripoints was re still looking like an eggzil tripoint border post etc
       here is a vague assertion that the judea samaria line runs generally from jerusalem to the dead sea
       Nov 16, 2005 @ 19:38 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18765. oops was judea & samaria tripoints was re still looking like an eggzil tripoint border post etc
       apologies & please disregard previous tripoint quest request if you havent already for here is a still vaguer yet somehow trustier assertion that the boundary
       Nov 16, 2005 @ 21:27 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18766. Re: [BoundaryPoint] oops was judea & samaria tripoints was re still looking like an eggzil tripoint border post etc
       There is a wealth of Israeli maps, ancient, historic, recent, and current, at http://tinyurl.com/bvrnt on the State of Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs web
       Nov 16, 2005 @ 22:48 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
18767. new russia belarus union could scratch bylvru & byruua from world class by next year
       as well as reinvent byltlv byltpl & byplua http://www.pinr.com/report.php?ac=view_report&report_id=399&language_id=1 not to mention what would also happen to
       Nov 16, 2005 @ 23:20 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18768. Re: [BoundaryPoint] new russia belarus union could scratch bylvru & byruua from world class by next year
       ... How about All the Russias or at least Both the Russias ? Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA
       Nov 17, 2005 @ 00:09 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
18769. Louisiana wants seaward boundary make-over
       Striking while the iron is hot and sympathy is running in their favor, Louisiana politicians are poised to ask the US Congress to extend the state s seaward
       Nov 17, 2005 @ 00:38 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
18770. Re: [BoundaryPoint] oops was judea & samaria tripoints was re still looking like an eggzil tripoint border post etc
       ahh thanx again its always livelier when you are active & of course i scarfed them all but was most grateful to see here the highly pertinent confirmation
       Nov 17, 2005 @ 00:50 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18771. Re: Louisiana wants seaward boundary make-over
       hahaha well i guess that could conceivably lead to a 6mile relocation of latxus anyway hahaha but not of lamsus as i bet you also immediately realized i mean
       Nov 17, 2005 @ 01:06 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18772. Re: My last 3 Japanese Tripoints
       now hugh about fsibtc again at the bottom of http://tinyurl.com/9gzsz i have still not been able to get completely clear you say there is a viewing tower at
       Nov 17, 2005 @ 03:18 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18773. RE: [BoundaryPoint] us2mo3bocast
       thanx pal & i trust it is just as true of real ones as of fictional for we have seen so many accounts of such chaos as this at administrative borders
       Nov 17, 2005 @ 03:38 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18774. AW: [BoundaryPoint] new russia belarus union could scratch bylvru & byruua from world class by next year
       No need changing names. Look at P.R.China and Hong Kong: One country, two systems. Or P.R.China and Taiwan: One country with a temporarily disloyal province.
       Nov 17, 2005 @ 06:22 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
18775. analysts say either side would have to be crazy to skip the djeret try in favor of a war
       but considering the ethiopian regime could use a political out not to mention a geographical seaport eritrea in particular is looking far crazier than say any
       Nov 17, 2005 @ 13:29 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18776. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: My last 3 Japanese Tripoints
       OK - let me try to set the stage a bit better. The tower you see in my photograph is not a viewing tower as far as I can tell - it looks more like a
       Nov 17, 2005 @ 13:30 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18777. on the long haul to cninpk a clear sea change at last & at least for inpk
       where in past years human nature could manage to arrange only an occasional cricket match & earlier this year only a rare & halting joyride to muzaffarabad
       Nov 17, 2005 @ 13:42 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18778. Re: [BoundaryPoint] new russia belarus union could scratch bylvru & byruua from world class by next year
       Since Taiwan was never part of the People s Republic of China, how can it be a temporarily disloyal province ? That is the communist fiction. The Republic
       Nov 17, 2005 @ 15:18 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
18779. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: My last 3 Japanese Tripoints
       thanx i immediately understood or even anticipated all this as i had already dropped my class d guess myself last night as soon as i realized there just isnt
       Nov 17, 2005 @ 16:06 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18780. Re: new russia belarus union could scratch bylvru & byruua from world class by next year
       good point also tho i realize it is not your intended point all people are actually already free & permanently so free to undertake even emprisonment or
       Nov 17, 2005 @ 16:14 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18781. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: My last 3 Japanese Tripoints
       I believe at least 5 are wet - notably: Gifu Mie Aichi Nagano Aichi Shizuoka Tochigi Saitama Ibaraki Ibaraki Saitama Chiba Saitama Tokyo Chiba One I would
       Nov 17, 2005 @ 16:29 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18782. AW: [BoundaryPoint] new russia belarus union could scratch bylvru & byruua from world class by next year
       Sorry, this is NOT communist fiction. Culturally Taiwan has always been part of China and will silently unite with the P.R. once living conditions in both
       Nov 17, 2005 @ 16:47 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
18783. Re: My last 3 Japanese Tripoints
       actually i have already done most of that exercise for the reader at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/17423 possibly the very email you
       Nov 17, 2005 @ 17:04 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18784. Re: [BoundaryPoint] new russia belarus union could scratch bylvru & byruua from world class by next year
       Typical European view of reality! ... From: Wolfgang Schaub To: Sent: Thursday, November
       Nov 17, 2005 @ 17:07 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
18785. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: My last 3 Japanese Tripoints
       Attached is a scan of the relevant page from the Kodansha bilingual Japanese atlas showing the possible maritime tripoints. I ll figure out the correct topos
       Nov 17, 2005 @ 17:19 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@our-own-home.com>)
18786. AW: [BoundaryPoint] new russia belarus union could scratch bylvru & byruua from world class by next year
       Bush: US supports one-China policy Copied in from Reuters (2005-11-17) KYOTO, Japan - US President George W. Bush reiterated on Wednesday that Washington
       Nov 17, 2005 @ 17:39 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
18787. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: My last 3 Japanese Tripoints
       OK- watchizu does not show maritime boundaries. However Yahoo does as follows Yamaguchi-Hiroshima-Ehime - http://map.yahoo.co.jp/pl?nl=34.00.00
       Nov 17, 2005 @ 17:41 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18788. Re: new russia belarus union could scratch bylvru & byruua from world class by next year
       ... haha & thanx for it & all your recent snossel gnagflow really have you ever thought of becoming a rehcaet hahaha youre a larutan at it & it might lend your
       Nov 17, 2005 @ 17:49 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18789. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: My last 3 Japanese Tripoints
       ok i agree you have 4 good prospects there & have advanced the overall punctoscopy to at least 48 probabilities anyway ...
       Nov 17, 2005 @ 18:05 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18790. Re: [BoundaryPoint] new russia belarus union could scratch bylvru & byruua from world class by next year
       I think that you misinterpret the US One China policy. It is purposely very vague. The PRC claims Taiwan, but the ROC claims the mainland as well. It is
       Nov 17, 2005 @ 18:34 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
18791. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: new russia belarus union could scratch bylvru & byruua from world class by next year
       YOU were the one starting this niminy-piminy nincompoop with Belarus! hahaha ... Von: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com]Im
       Nov 17, 2005 @ 19:11 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
18792. AW: [BoundaryPoint] new russia belarus union could scratch bylvru & byruua from world class by next year
       Did I ever give reason to believe that I misinterpreted something? Nothing of what you see as typical European was said. In your overheated brain you appear
       Nov 17, 2005 @ 19:11 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
18793. Re: new russia belarus union could scratch bylvru & byruua from world class by next year
       ah yes thank you snossel i was talking about our mutually agreed topic tho wasnt i & special to hugh i am already half way to a revised punctoscopy of japan in
       Nov 17, 2005 @ 19:26 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18794. revised prefectural punctoscopy of japan thanxx again especially to hugh & henry
       major insertions into previous roundup are fairly obvious from their missing carets tho some other additions & corrections are just quiety added now too ... &
       Nov 17, 2005 @ 22:21 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18795. mxus2bccamx redux
       from the folks who brought you this favorite tripointing hightopper http://www.insite05.org/index.php? now comes the more pedestrian version
       Nov 17, 2005 @ 23:12 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18796. bigs predict new djeret try resolve in new york before thanxgiving break
       http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID=2005-11-18T002908Z_01_MCC801720_RTRUKOC_0_UK-ERITREA-ETHIOPIA-UN.xml&archived=False &
       Nov 18, 2005 @ 13:28 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18797. RE: [BoundaryPoint] revised prefectural punctoscopy of japan thanxx again especially to hugh & henry
       Thanks A couple of addtional details/clarifications that might help those interested enough to wade through this 1. are or were also provincial tripoint
       Nov 18, 2005 @ 13:32 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18798. further revisions in prefectural punctoscopy of japan
       ahh ok then i guess i should not have assumed you were aware of http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/17440 which happily forestalls or retires a
       Nov 18, 2005 @ 14:16 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18799. Re: further revisions in prefectural punctoscopy of japan
       & yes i still dont clearly discern & know & perhaps you or your native informants can say if the word mikuni continues to refer to prefectural & all tripoints
       Nov 18, 2005 @ 16:05 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18800. great pix of these pointing shoes here now Re: mxus2bccamx redux
       http://www.nbc4.com/news/5355595/detail.html close up slide show reveals every lovely detail including mxus2bccamx map
       Nov 18, 2005 @ 17:44 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18801. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Louisiana wants seaward boundary make-over
       Yes, I noted the inaccuracies. That s about the speed of our Louisiana politicians: Clueless! If this were to be successfully sold in Washington as hurricane
       Nov 18, 2005 @ 21:37 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
18802. Re: Louisiana wants seaward boundary make-over
       right good point about al & ms hahaha they in particular deserve alms if anyone does so lamsus really could go out with latxus these 6 extra miles after all
       Nov 19, 2005 @ 00:03 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18803. Re: Louisiana wants seaward boundary make-over
       but wait here comes tropical storm gamma yet http://www.newkerala.com/news.php?action=fullnews&id=54944 so some other states & tripoints could still qualify
       Nov 19, 2005 @ 02:22 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18804. Border encyclopedias now online
       African boundaries: http://books.google.com/books?hl=en
       Nov 19, 2005 @ 11:33 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18805. DK 2nd and 3 division
       From 2007 is not settled, and new mayors has been appointed. The new DK2007 map is here http://www.nyekommuner.dk/index.php?ID=46
       Nov 19, 2005 @ 11:47 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18806. Re: My last 3 Japanese Tripoints
       also worth bearing in mind hugh tho i havent been able to access your kodansha scan of the 4 maritime tripoint prospects & cant say if googlemaps for japan
       Nov 19, 2005 @ 13:40 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18807. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: My last 3 Japanese Tripoints
       That is what I meant when I said which may require some research and debate as to whether they qualify as genuine tripoints On the Kodansha map the sea there
       Nov 19, 2005 @ 14:03 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18808. Re: DK 2nd and 3 division
       fantastic a whole new world to explore right outside your door & quite a few shapely ones too there eh & can we complete the new punctoscopy already or do we
       Nov 19, 2005 @ 14:49 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18809. Re: My last 3 Japanese Tripoints
       haha yes well i dont think debate is ever required tho these points might ultimately be rightly characterized as legally definite or as legal but indefinite or
       Nov 19, 2005 @ 15:34 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18810. Re: Louisiana wants seaward boundary make-over
       whew & it may still be a little early to say for sure but it is now looking like georgia & the carolinas & beyond have dodged a bullet
       Nov 19, 2005 @ 20:57 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18811. stunning new footbridge enhances & advances cninpk or cnjk try
       http://en.chinabroadcast.cn/2239/2005-11-19/64@283072.htm __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page!
       Nov 19, 2005 @ 22:10 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18812. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Louisiana wants seaward boundary make-over
       ... Thanks for your support! Write to your Senators and Representative. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA
       Nov 20, 2005 @ 02:59 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
18813. A philister's opinion
       We had a posting recently about political developments in Kosovo, with speculations added about the number of tripoints possibly emerging soon. I may be
       Nov 20, 2005 @ 08:33 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
18814. Interesting Website for the German/Polish/Czech Tripoint Area
       You may have come across this website but if not it has some interesting photos from the tripoint area: http://svconsult.de/ Barry
       Nov 20, 2005 @ 13:05 - Barry Arnold ("Barry Arnold" <barry_432@...>)
18815. Muskauer Park / Park Muzakowski
       The Muskauer Park is on the border between Germany & Poland and there has recently been a bridge built linking the 2 sides which have been seperated since
       Nov 20, 2005 @ 13:55 - Barry Arnold ("Barry Arnold" <barry_432@hotmail.co.uk>)
18816. Re: Interesting Website for the German/Polish/Czech Tripoint Area
       nice area & border pixx & 2 posts in a row so perhaps more are still coming but did a view or some other data of the actual tripoint elude me or is it just not
       Nov 20, 2005 @ 14:33 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18817. Re: A philister's opinion
       btw we call that a philistine in regular barbarian dear snossel & i smell your sizzle but wheres the beef
       Nov 20, 2005 @ 14:50 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18818. Re: Louisiana wants seaward boundary make-over
       thanx pal tho i never participate directly in democracy i find it flirts with being a tyranny of the majority or of the latest usurpation of the supposed
       Nov 20, 2005 @ 14:53 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18819. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Muskauer Park / Park Muzakowski
       A model of cross border co-operation : Even more so is the game that Prince Pueckler-Muskau, the former owner of the park, played with Machbuba, an Ethiopian
       Nov 20, 2005 @ 16:07 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
18820. mmth2khmhsh is identified in news as bp8 in mae aw & a try is immediately mounted
       http://www.shanland.org/articles/general/2005/News-10-2-11-05 http://www.thailine.com/thailand/english/north-e/hongsorn/ausflug1-e.html
       Nov 20, 2005 @ 16:42 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18821. Re: [BoundaryPoint] theory of enclaves and exclaves
       Hi Evgeny, I just read your Chapter 2 and want to add some little things. First of all i want to ask you, if you can link my site www.enklave.de.vu instead of
       Nov 20, 2005 @ 16:48 - Arne Schulz ("Arne Schulz" <wertkauf@...>)
18822. Re: theory of enclaves and exclaves
       chris welcome back & thanx for this review of lots of good old times here even if they were & are again misdirected to this our multipointing site please note
       Nov 20, 2005 @ 17:36 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18823. a tripointing puzzle joke
       excuse my intrusion into your sunday evening if it is that because i have this amusing tale about a divided house & a border change running thru it
       Nov 21, 2005 @ 00:14 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18824. Re: [BoundaryPoint] a tripointing puzzle joke
       No intrusion at all. The article focuses on the Campbells, of the newly divided house, but they are unlisted. It also mentions their neighbors on Solomon Run
       Nov 21, 2005 @ 01:50 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
18825. Re: [BoundaryPoint] a tripointing puzzle joke
       haha thanx nice play & very revealing for if as the article seems to indicate only a single new geodesic segment has resulted from the survey correction which
       Nov 21, 2005 @ 04:17 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18826. Re: [BoundaryPoint] a tripointing puzzle joke
       Wasn t that nice of the journalist to include the name of the surveyor and the town in which to find him? Of course, the business about two houses this way and
       Nov 21, 2005 @ 06:55 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
18827. Re: a tripointing puzzle joke
       yes very nice & what you add about the possibility of folk allocation may be true but the official town of richland map & the usgs topo do at least agree on
       Nov 21, 2005 @ 10:25 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18828. WG: Old tp photo
       Can anybody READ what is written on the left board: Achtung Lebensgefahr Wirkungsbereich ... Minen ? What kind of mines? Without consulting the link I would
       Nov 21, 2005 @ 10:51 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
18829. Re: WG: Old tp photo
       Achtung Lebensgefahr Wirkungsbereich sowjetzonaler Minen Rough translation: Attention! Mortal danger! operating area of mines of the soviet zone (i.e. the
       Nov 21, 2005 @ 14:18 - Anton Zeilinger ("Anton Zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
18830. Re: [BoundaryPoint] WG: Old tp photo
       ... thanx very much indeed for at least playing lip service to real multipointing here since thats what we have been about here since day one & i think you are
       Nov 21, 2005 @ 14:37 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18831. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: WG: Old tp photo
       welcome back my dear silent sufferer or rather rare complainer as you sometimes like to call yourself but youll have to make a lot more noise than this to get
       Nov 21, 2005 @ 14:58 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18832. Re: VS: Old tp photo
       but i agree & reagree this ghost of a tripoint is definitely worth the candle if you guys can possibly coax & find her out especially as you are in the
       Nov 21, 2005 @ 16:02 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18833. Re: VS: Old tp photo
       & double your pleasure while youre at it if you dont mind & bring both these bacome tripoint ghosts back home alive or as alive as possible comparison of dated
       Nov 21, 2005 @ 16:58 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18834. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: theory of enclaves and exclaves
       Hi Michael, it was a fault, i wanted to post this directly to Yewgeni, but missed to change the mail-adress. Sorry. Regards, Chris ... -- 10 GB Mailbox, 100
       Nov 21, 2005 @ 18:00 - chris ("chris" <wertkauf@...>)
18835. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: theory of enclaves and exclaves
       thanx i love you babe ... http://www.freewebtown.com/malcik/Frames/province.htm ... http://www.freewebtown.com/malcik/Frames/campobello.htm ...
       Nov 21, 2005 @ 18:09 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18836. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: WG: Old tp photo
       Danke! Wolfgang PS: Anton, haben Sie zufällig Bilder der alten Zollgrenze des Kleinwalsertals? Darauf stand: Halt! Zollgrenze! oder so ähnlich. Wäre eine
       Nov 21, 2005 @ 18:54 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
18837. AW: [BoundaryPoint] WG: Old tp photo
       I had been told recently that it is philistine rather than philister , or was it pharisee ? Can t remember my blab of yesterday. But one thing I know for
       Nov 21, 2005 @ 18:54 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
18838. Re: AW: [BoundaryPoint] WG: Old tp photo
       unexpurgated delight & intertwingling ahead ... haha thats ok we realize youre not responsible here ... what says thank you & not thanx i dont follow you yet
       Nov 21, 2005 @ 20:09 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18839. 1806 bavaria coburg meinengen tripoint now looking like de2byth near plesten
       wolfgang & or anyone else who is trying to get this let me try to be clearer because i believe there has been a breakthru now please compare the 2 tricolor
       Nov 22, 2005 @ 01:36 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18840. Re: 1806 bavaria coburg meinengen tripoint now looking like de2byth near plesten
       oops the encarta still needs to be zoomed in but it works ok thanx ... TextLatitude=39.45&TextLongitude=
       Nov 22, 2005 @ 01:45 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18841. Re: a tripointing puzzle joke
       well lowell i never did phone in today & am off to sleep on it again now so i guess it must be a longer than usual moment of truth in trypointing i did compare
       Nov 22, 2005 @ 04:45 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18842. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: a tripointing puzzle joke
       I think that 400 feet is fairly accurate for the house on the west side of the road near the red dot in the road produced by TerraServer from the Rentons
       Nov 22, 2005 @ 05:29 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
18843. AW: [BoundaryPoint] 1806 bavaria coburg meinengen tripoint now looking like de2byth near plesten
       Thank you for the stimulation. Like always, we just need a kick in the ass. Before even consulting the additional maps suggested, I agree giving more credit to
       Nov 22, 2005 @ 10:16 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
18844. Re: AW: [BoundaryPoint] 1806 bavaria coburg meinengen tripoint now looking like de2byth near plesten
       bravissimos maestro & i am reading you blitzen und donner these days & if i may continue to follow your or really jespers lead up this fantastic tripoint
       Nov 22, 2005 @ 13:50 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18845. AW: AW: [BoundaryPoint] 1806 bavaria coburg meinengen tripoint now looking like de2byth near plesten
       The Landkreise? Seems an easy one: CO = Coburg, KC = Kronach, SON = Sonneberg. This all without going at
       Nov 22, 2005 @ 14:43 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
18846. Re: AW: AW: [BoundaryPoint] 1806 bavaria coburg meinengen tripoint now looking like de2byth near plesten
       haha i almost knew it wouldnt work hahaha so ok just go here if you would http://www.mappy.co.uk & at top center type plesten for place & select germany for
       Nov 22, 2005 @ 15:14 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18847. AW: AW: AW: [BoundaryPoint] 1806 bavaria coburg meinengen tripoint now looking like de2byth near plesten
       Glad to hear my session on this Earth has not fully expired . So I dare a second time: Got it. The next issue pops up: Mappy.co.uk has got the roads
       Nov 22, 2005 @ 16:43 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
18848. cokrso or cokrsn do you suppose was Re: AW: AW: [BoundaryPoint] 1806 bavaria coburg meinengen tripoint now looking like de2byth near plesten
       & to save you another map that wont work in the top field here http://www.viamichelin.co.uk/viamichelin/gbr/tpl/hme/MaHomePage.htm please type plesten & pick
       Nov 22, 2005 @ 17:40 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18849. Re: a tripointing puzzle joke
       intertwingling coming up please thanx ... yes i want to believe this in fact i want to believe it is set way back from the road & that their bedroom is way in
       Nov 22, 2005 @ 18:21 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18850. AW: cokrso or cokrsn do you suppose was Re: AW: AW: [BoundaryPoint] 1806 bavaria coburg meinengen tripoint now looking like de2byth near plesten
       Do you HAVE to take diglyphs? Why not simply use the abbreviations that you find on car license plates - that also may be easier comprehensible. SON stands for
       Nov 22, 2005 @ 18:42 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
18851. cokrso or cokrsn do you suppose was Re: AW: AW: [BoundaryPoint] 1806 bavaria coburg meinengen tripoint now looking like de2byth near plesten
       ... not really but we have found them 50 percent more efficient than triglyphs & with hendecaglyphs etc already rampant we hardly want more but less bang for
       Nov 22, 2005 @ 19:36 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18852. condo tripoints was south sudan separatist tripoints now foreseeable in 2009
       this was message 18471 of about 6 weeks ago seeking a map of the territory & especially the tripoints of the new sudanese north south condo of the 9 ngok dinka
       Nov 22, 2005 @ 22:31 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18853. Re: condo tripoints was south sudan separatist tripoints now foreseeable in 2009
       whooops correction is necessary in morning light tho the celebration can continue since a closer examination of the dim geocoordinates on this map
       Nov 23, 2005 @ 16:56 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18854. bigs said to be readying article 41 sanctions to compel immediate djeret try
       http://www.news24.com/News24/Africa/News/0,,2-11-1447_1839092,00.html but do they really believe they can force people to go tripointing or is this just more
       Nov 23, 2005 @ 17:52 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18855. Re: a tripointing puzzle joke
       aw shucks forget it unless you have just disappeared for the holidays like everyone else since this sort of thing seems to be a commonplace on us2pa4
       Nov 23, 2005 @ 19:12 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18856. bosnia cohering along federation lines plus 11 as yet unknown subdivisions
       http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/23/international/europe/23bosnia.html?th&emc=th news article reiterates an earlier suggestion that kosovo cant flake off whole
       Nov 23, 2005 @ 19:15 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18857. bigs order djeret try now & kofi to report results in 40 days
       http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/20051123-1106-eritrea-ethiopia-un. http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/RWB.NSF/db900SID/HMYT-6JEQCM?OpenDocument
       Nov 23, 2005 @ 23:37 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18858. Re: Louisiana wants seaward boundary make-over
       yikes but heres tropical storm delta now too http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/11/23/ts.delta.reut/ so hold that tripoint promotion caucus open a little
       Nov 24, 2005 @ 00:47 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18859. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: a tripointing puzzle joke
       If the Renton home were set back from the road, it could be all the way back near the mapped line, so that a small revision would switch it. Lots of country
       Nov 24, 2005 @ 02:20 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
18860. Re: a tripointing puzzle joke
       great thanx & agreed that it is more likely that 2 or more lost intermediate adri marks have been found to transform the single continuous northmost adri
       Nov 24, 2005 @ 08:56 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18861. Re: could a definitive cnkzru & marker be far behind
       answer no not far behind now per http://www.gateway2russia.com/st/art_288468.php btw i believe the claim made in the article that kzru is the longest land
       Nov 24, 2005 @ 09:12 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18862. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: a tripointing puzzle joke
       The development is the hardest part to explain, unless the developer was wrong as to both the mapped line and the newly recovered line. Here s the language
       Nov 24, 2005 @ 17:33 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
18863. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: could a definitive cnkzru & marker be far behind
       ... Either that or the Russians are still claiming Alaska! :-) Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA
       Nov 24, 2005 @ 17:36 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
18864. eritrea defies & flames bigs for slobbery on djeret try
       http://za.today.reuters.com/news/NewsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2005-11-24T165618Z_01_ALL461005_RTRIDST_0_OZATP-ERITREA-ETHIOPIA-REACTION-20051124.XML
       Nov 24, 2005 @ 17:42 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18865. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: could a definitive cnkzru & marker be far behind
       Just as long as Khazakstan keeps its hands off NWT and BC.... Enjoy your turkey..... _____ From: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
       Nov 24, 2005 @ 17:50 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18866. Re: a tripointing puzzle joke
       true which is how i figured 30 odd of his acres had shifted towns & that his layout is therefore still totally enigmatic & inexplicable but anyway no problem
       Nov 24, 2005 @ 18:47 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18867. djeret try boppers thrash cordially as expected in nairobi
       http://www.thecouriermail.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,17369845%255E1702,00.html __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors
       Nov 25, 2005 @ 19:24 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18868. adcori was once part of adcocreari quintipoint
       1907 topo http://historical.maptech.com/getImage.cfm?fname=john07se.jpg&state=PA shows the townships of croyle & east taylor also converging with adams
       Nov 25, 2005 @ 23:05 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18869. Re: adcori was once part of adcocreari quintipoint
       yikes & mirabile dictu i just realized the name of this ghostly point adcocreari is however improbably a perfect latinism with the perfectly apt meaning of to
       Nov 26, 2005 @ 06:45 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18870. eggz opens for people as eggzil tripoint crossing is still promised for goods
       indeed gaza is looking almost like a regular country now
       Nov 26, 2005 @ 13:33 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18871. ILLBSY and Sheena Farms
       News story http://www.kuna.net.kw/home/story.aspx?Language=en&DSNO=790297 Map http://sunsite.berkeley.edu:8085/israel/50k/09-36-108-1.jpg Info
       Nov 26, 2005 @ 22:31 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18872. Jordanian island in Israel
       Does anyone have information about the Island of Peace , which is said to be territorially under the sovereignty of Jordan but is located in Israel? It is
       Nov 26, 2005 @ 23:01 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
18873. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Jordanian island in Israel
       Are you planning to visit the Sheeba Farms, too? Pls see my latest post. Jesper _____ Fra: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com]
       Nov 26, 2005 @ 23:03 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18874. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Jordanian island in Israel
       Perhaps some of these topos may prove useful. http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/EART/israel/israel50k.html Jesper _____ Fra: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
       Nov 26, 2005 @ 23:06 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18875. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Jordanian island in Israel
       http://www.photozion.com/Stock/pictureitem.asp?picture_cd=AA3293 _____ Fra: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com] På vegne af
       Nov 26, 2005 @ 23:15 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18876. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Jordanian island in Israel
       http://www.gemsinisrael.com/e_article000015747.htm _____ Fra: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com] På vegne af Jesper Nielsen
       Nov 26, 2005 @ 23:18 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18877. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Jordanian island in Israel
       So around here somewhere http://sunsite.berkeley.edu:8085/israel/50k/09-36-120-3.jpg _____ Fra: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
       Nov 26, 2005 @ 23:25 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18878. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Jordanian island in Israel
       ________________________________ Thanks, Jesper. Or could it be around the Jordan River meanders in this topo:
       Nov 26, 2005 @ 23:35 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
18879. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Jordanian island in Israel
       No rather here http://sunsite.berkeley.edu:8085/israel/50k/09-36-132-1.jpg By 239? Jesper _____ Fra: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
       Nov 26, 2005 @ 23:35 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18880. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Jordanian island in Israel
       Yes, I agree. Hard to figure out where Jordan hits the Yarmuk. Sound like a fantastic trips – I look very much forward to hearing facts – and hope they
       Nov 26, 2005 @ 23:39 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18881. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Jordanian island in Israel
       Border Adjustments - Three areas on the border between Jordan and Israel necessitated Israeli withdrawals as follows: Out of 381 km2 claimed by Jordan south of
       Nov 26, 2005 @ 23:43 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18882. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] Jordanian island in Israel
       yes & happily i can again confirm you are again right that the shebaa or shabaa etc farms tho not far from the old or de jure illbsy tripoint actually have
       Nov 27, 2005 @ 00:26 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18883. illbsy & iljosy was shebaa & Jordanian island in Israel etc
       in fact both the de facto illbsy & the de facto iljosy are trilines rather than tripoints strictly speaking insofar as the undof deployment area is there
       Nov 27, 2005 @ 01:10 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18884. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ILLBSY and Sheena Farms
       My boss s son is stationed up there. I ll try to find out details. By the way, Yediot Achronot, one of the major papers here, had an interesting article a
       Nov 27, 2005 @ 06:12 - Asher Samuels (Asher Samuels <asher972@...>)
18885. update on status of djeret try
       djeret was legally defined in 2002 by the eebc as eret point 41 60 miles inland from the seacoast http://www.un.org/NewLinks/eebcarbitration/EEBC-Decision.pdf
       Nov 27, 2005 @ 14:57 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18886. noli spell epsilon
       or hold that eleemosynary tripoint promotion caucus one more time as tropical storm delta hangs a surpise right & heads for africa
       Nov 28, 2005 @ 14:04 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18887. Re: more about btcn if not the btcnin tripoints
       & not to worry after all for it turns out the recent concern about btcn stability & the extra uncertainty it caused regarding the already totally mysterious
       Nov 29, 2005 @ 14:37 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18888. cnmnrue & cnmnruw should soon at last be equally class a
       of the projected 1513 new cnmn border markers announced today http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-11/30/content_499235.htm we have reason to believe
       Nov 30, 2005 @ 11:21 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18889. yank to addis on djeret status
       fresh moves today http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/RWB.NSF/db900SID/EVOD-6JMK82?OpenDocument one multipointing analyst predicts a show of both hand holding & arm
       Nov 30, 2005 @ 17:43 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18890. colombia would close darien gap pronto but for stick in the mud panama
       fresh today & potentially very exciting news for all american connectivity http://www.bnamericas.com/story.jsp?sector=5¬icia=337174&idioma=I which i hastily
       Nov 30, 2005 @ 22:12 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18891. Israel's northern border
       http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3150322,00.html Unfortunately, I haven t been able to find an English translation of it. ... Yahoo! DSL Something to
       Dec 01, 2005 @ 07:30 - Asher Samuels (Asher Samuels <asher972@...>)
18892. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Israel's northern border
       ... http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3150322,00.html ... thats ok pal no problem & maybe you can just tell us if any tripoints are mentioned or implied
       Dec 01, 2005 @ 15:44 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18893. Re: yank to addis on djeret status
       & it looks like someone is already listening to reason now too http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/RWB.NSF/db900SID/EVOD-6JNK59?OpenDocument with troop withdrawals
       Dec 01, 2005 @ 15:58 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18894. Japan - "Mikuni" - meaning and use
       Just following up on the disucssions earlier on the meaning and use of the Japanese word Mikuni ( $B;0(B $B9q(B ) - literally meaning 3 countries. I
       Dec 01, 2005 @ 16:13 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18895. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Japan - "Mikuni" - meaning and use
       thanx for following thru on http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/18797 etc with this interesting addition which was indeed very much worth
       Dec 01, 2005 @ 17:53 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18896. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Japan - "Mikuni" - meaning and use
       ... Well - I wasn t actually about to wade into the river to collect a class-a on Ibaraki-Saitama-Tochigi - it seemed a bit deep - hehehe In Japanese, as in
       Dec 01, 2005 @ 18:48 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18897. Re: Japan - "Mikuni" - meaning and use
       ... Saitama-Tochigi - it seemed a bit deep - hehehe haha yes & doing that would still only have been a class b visit anyway at finest unless you found the
       Dec 01, 2005 @ 19:24 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18898. Many new border and tripoint markers for 2009
       http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=167920 -- Borderbase - your online guide to international borders and tripoints
       Dec 02, 2005 @ 12:55 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18899. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Many new border and tripoint markers for 2009
       hahaha & thanx for this extremely fishy & titillating report & also for at least mentioning a magic word too & may i add in the same hilarious spirit because i
       Dec 02, 2005 @ 14:31 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18900. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Many new border and tripoint markers for 2009
       Generally demarcation is confused with delimiting, but in this story they do seem to mean physical border demarcation. Jesper _____ Fra:
       Dec 02, 2005 @ 14:37 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18901. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] Many new border and tripoint markers for 2009
       thanx when this article begins by saying all countries are required to submit to the united nations before 2009 their maritime border demarcation it is already
       Dec 02, 2005 @ 15:46 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18902. SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] Many new border and tripoint markers for 2009
       ” However, problems could arise when fishermen ventured too far out to sea where there were no physical boundary markers, he said.” _____ Fra:
       Dec 02, 2005 @ 16:07 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18903. Re: SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] Many new border and tripoint markers for 2009
       true it says that but then how do you get from there to even a single tripoint marker let alone many ...
       Dec 02, 2005 @ 16:16 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18904. SV: SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] Many new border and tripoint markers for 2009
       My imagination _____ Fra: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com] På vegne af aletheia kallos Sendt: 2. december 2005 17:17 Til:
       Dec 02, 2005 @ 16:19 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
18905. Re: SV: SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] Many new border and tripoint markers for 2009
       haha good thats the spirit ... ary+waters&w3=Boundary+waters&w4=Inca+trail&w5=Trail+of+painted+ponies&w6=Tr ...
       Dec 02, 2005 @ 16:25 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18906. cninnpw confirmed blowing in wind but better try made
       fortunately on an otherwise slow news day in the world of multipointing it turns out i did initially miss the real tripointing import of this news bulletin
       Dec 02, 2005 @ 17:20 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18907. policy call for full gaza independence now is made in new york
       so as predicted eggzil alone without any west bank tripoints is looking more nearly real & more imminently world class with every passing day
       Dec 02, 2005 @ 18:10 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18908. Re: yikes long trumpeted bwnazmzw bridge is still but a pipe dream
       but now another 2 months later there is at least a bwzm buddies agreement for it http://www.gov.bw/cgi-bin/news.cgi?
       Dec 03, 2005 @ 03:15 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18909. do we sound as goofy to them as they sound to me
       a highpointer asks his fellow highpointers about bp multipointers
       Dec 03, 2005 @ 23:17 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18910. special congrats may be in order for czdepl improvement
       it is impossible to gauge midstream for sure without seeing the near bank in frame but the 2nd & closest of the 7 fresh czdepl pix just filed at borderpoint by
       Dec 04, 2005 @ 10:13 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18911. Re: noli spell epsilon
       & yes now she not only lives but defies all prediction by living on into multiple overtime
       Dec 04, 2005 @ 18:04 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18912. Re: yank to addis on djeret status
       & in the meantime with basically no news still being good news this brilliant analysis & policy call from asmara spells out simultaneous forced checkmates in
       Dec 04, 2005 @ 23:21 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18913. Re: special congrats may be in order for czdepl improvement
       I added photo 17a in BorderPoint Photos for a closer shot of the imaginary tripoint in the middle of the river. Hopefully, this photo will help determine the
       Dec 05, 2005 @ 07:50 - xachary04 ("xachary04" <xachary04@...>)
18914. Re: special congrats may be in order for czdepl improvement
       I notice that there are differences between my 2005 photos and those taken by the GCEBE in 2001. The Polish side of the tripoint is cleared of trees. The
       Dec 05, 2005 @ 08:28 - xachary04 ("xachary04" <xachary04@...>)
18915. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: special congrats may be in order for czdepl improvement
       bravo mike & thanx i think what is clear now with benefit of your pic 17a is that when you shot 19a you were either zooming & or more likely practically
       Dec 05, 2005 @ 16:21 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18916. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: special congrats may be in order for czdepl improvement
       Walking through the Neisse is technically possible (not so nice in winter, but certainly in summer), as many migrator-refugees have demonstrated while the
       Dec 05, 2005 @ 17:55 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
18917. Re: condo tripoints was south sudan separatist tripoints now foreseeable in 2009
       whooops again & we may have to tone down that condo celebration a little yet after all as well as conceivably accelerate the timing for the south sudan
       Dec 05, 2005 @ 20:22 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18918. BoundaryPoint Store
       Check out the new BoundaryPoint Store at: http://www.cafepress.com/boundarypointst (or go to the Links section) for select items with the BP logo.
       Dec 06, 2005 @ 00:49 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <w1wh@...>)
18919. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: special congrats may be in order for czdepl improvement
       Just curious - given the uncertainty about the exact location expressed in your analysis, Mike, how would you determine/measure success when you say i can
       Dec 06, 2005 @ 15:01 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18920. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: special congrats may be in order for czdepl improvement
       Since the CAUS international boundary in the St. Lawrence River is reduced to straight lines and turning points, the New York-Ontario-Québec tripoint should
       Dec 06, 2005 @ 15:58 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
18921. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: special congrats may be in order for czdepl improvement
       wowww & thanxxx hugh for these 2 beautiful questions & concluding delicacy intertwingling ahead ... of course with most any amphibious or class b try which btw
       Dec 06, 2005 @ 17:27 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18922. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: special congrats may be in order for czdepl improvement
       lowell you may well know better about louisiana & or in general & i hope you do but the difficulty with your florida example & perhaps all of these you mention
       Dec 06, 2005 @ 20:35 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18923. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: special congrats may be in order for czdepl improvement
       So if you know that you are correct to within one sq. ft and, assuming that your torso covers more than one square foot, you could just lie down on the ground
       Dec 06, 2005 @ 21:04 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18924. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: special congrats may be in order for czdepl improvement
       Thanks - these are most helpful responses _____ From: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of aletheia kallos Sent:
       Dec 06, 2005 @ 21:08 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18925. Re: special congrats may be in order for czdepl improvement
       Hi Hugh, I don t believe I was the person who stated that I was successful in reaching the tripoint. I think Aletheia mentioned my success. In fact, I did
       Dec 06, 2005 @ 22:11 - xachary04 ("xachary04" <xachary04@...>)
18926. Re: special congrats may be in order for czdepl improvement
       another nice subltety & subtle nicety there but i think what you are most likely describing is just the best imaginable class b visit as in really really
       Dec 06, 2005 @ 22:12 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18927. Re: special congrats may be in order for czdepl improvement
       
       Dec 06, 2005 @ 22:15 - xachary04 ("xachary04" <xachary04@...>)
18928. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: special congrats may be in order for czdepl improvement
       Thanks Mike - I just realised that you probably don t realise that aletheiak is actually the handle of another Mike so it was to that Mike I that I was
       Dec 06, 2005 @ 22:26 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18929. Re: special congrats may be in order for czdepl improvement
       yes & in fairness to you mike i really do believe you equalled or surpassed our most successful visit to date here in a category which we have been calling
       Dec 06, 2005 @ 22:28 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18930. Boundary Line Maine - New Brunswick
       Here is an interesting old item about the Maine - New Brunswick boundary. Clipping of the Day Border Wars The Ohio Repository (Canton, Ohio), 06 December
       Dec 06, 2005 @ 23:38 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@twcny.rr.com>)
18931. putatively absolute visit to unmarked mountaintop tripoint escapes
       ... yikes clumsily said in retrospect hahahaha but you probably saw what i meant anyway which is basically just making some pointed gesture of touching the
       Dec 07, 2005 @ 00:58 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18932. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Boundary Line Maine - New Brunswick
       nice one jack to celebrate the eve of our bp 5 & a half year anniversary & evidently the prelude to the webster ashburton treaty of 1842 too per bus&ss pp16f
       Dec 07, 2005 @ 03:13 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18933. is ksmook tristate pothole slated for a much needed makeover
       at least some fresh mapping if not newfound old mapping has been filed for it in jefferson city http://www.digitalburg.com/artman/publish/article_694.shtml so
       Dec 07, 2005 @ 03:18 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18934. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: special congrats may be in order for czdepl improvement
       Mike D., I understand what you are saying, but I think you and I just interpreted Hugh s second-paragraph question differently. Oh, I don t know that there was
       Dec 07, 2005 @ 04:28 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
18935. another djeret meltdown was Re: yank to addis etc
       but yikes eritrea doesnt see or cant believe this apparently simple forced mate at djeret & goes now for new complications instead by pressing her initiative &
       Dec 07, 2005 @ 10:36 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18936. nyonqc location was Re: special congrats may be in order for czdepl improvement
       agreed & no biggie in any case but a really interesting upshot of all this is the following pair of more detailed & reliable looking maps of nyonqc than i have
       Dec 07, 2005 @ 11:43 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18937. RE: [BoundaryPoint] nyonqc location was Re: special congrats may be in order for czdepl improvement
       I would be very sceptical of placing much/any reliance on that map for detailed and highly precise navigation purposes. There is no evidence that it is the
       Dec 07, 2005 @ 15:13 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@our-own-home.com>)
18938. RE: [BoundaryPoint] nyonqc location was Re: special congrats may be in order for czdepl improvement
       agreed that skepticism is always a good idea & i can add from some experience especially so for this nyonqc baby & for indian & third world mapping in general
       Dec 07, 2005 @ 17:45 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18939. RE: [BoundaryPoint] nyonqc location was Re: special congrats may be in order for czdepl improvement
       OOPS - forgot the attachment Unfortunately I have been unable to obtain the relevant USGS quad from http://datagateway.nrcs.usda.gov since o44074h6 is cut off
       Dec 07, 2005 @ 18:31 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@our-own-home.com>)
18940. RE: [BoundaryPoint] nyonqc location was Re: special congrats may be in order for czdepl improvement
       oops but hold everything please this lost ellicott rock is causing some upheavals in my measurements & computations & skepticism of my own results so i have
       Dec 07, 2005 @ 18:34 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18941. RE: [BoundaryPoint] nyonqc location was Re: special congrats may be in order for czdepl improvement
       Unfortunately I have been unable to obtain the relevant USGS quad from http://datagateway.nrcs.usda.gov since o44074h6 is cut off at 45 deg N (see attached)
       Dec 07, 2005 @ 18:27 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18942. nyonqc location was Re: special congrats may be in order for czdepl improvement
       still running out of the house but at this point i have far more confidence in your official canadian caus & nyonqc depictions than any other both of the usgs
       Dec 07, 2005 @ 19:06 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18943. RE: [BoundaryPoint] nyonqc location was Re: special congrats may be in order for czdepl improvement
       OK - found a collared version which extends north a bit - see attached. It is hard to tell exactly what this map is saying since there does appear to be a
       Dec 07, 2005 @ 19:14 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@our-own-home.com>)
18944. RE: [BoundaryPoint] nyonqc location was Re: special congrats may be in order for czdepl improvement
       yikes haha ok but this is the same map i began from in the middle of http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/18922 which has long since been
       Dec 08, 2005 @ 00:01 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18945. another djeret meltdown was Re: yank to addis etc
       multipointing tryhards may still not be ready to believe that this is really going down but http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-1915266,00.html reactions
       Dec 08, 2005 @ 01:11 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18946. nyonqc location was Re: special congrats may be in order for czdepl improvement
       & at the same time lets carry another hypothesis which is that canada is right naturally enough about nyonqc in principle but that the usa is right about caus
       Dec 08, 2005 @ 02:52 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18947. RE: [BoundaryPoint] nyonqc location was Re: special congrats may be in order for czdepl improvement
       I would like to determine, from copies of treaties, legislation or whatever, the exact line of the ONQC border. I had no success in find this online earlier
       Dec 08, 2005 @ 06:13 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18948. reconsidered & simplified nyonqc guess & try in progress
       the cursor cross on this map marks the approximate target point http://topozone.com/map.asp?z=18&n=4983535&e=526129&s=24&size=l&u=6&datum=nad83&layer=DRG25
       Dec 08, 2005 @ 06:13 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18949. nyonqc location was Re: special congrats may be in order for czdepl improvement
       funny how we landed a minute apart & let me just insert these comments this time as it is getting late ... great me too & a good place to begin was the
       Dec 08, 2005 @ 06:56 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18950. another djeret meltdown was Re: yank to addis etc
       yikes again & heres what happening in washington & turtle bay already http://www.allamericanpatriots.com/m-news+article+storyid-13737.html ... djeret ...
       Dec 08, 2005 @ 07:14 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18951. but strange silence from horses mouth on parrots beak at khlavn
       yo hanh are you there heres one for you an odd detail in all this nice & detailed & even somewhat official khvn news
       Dec 08, 2005 @ 15:43 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18952. Balkan borders
       Yahoo! Photos Hi, While spending 5 months in Skopje, Macedonia (January to June this year) I had the chance to cross a lot of borders. Unfortunately I didn t
       Dec 08, 2005 @ 17:01 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
18953. nyonqc continuation from czdepl
       a few more aftertones of course i didnt mean crown waters included all sweet waters but certainly at least these most flagrantly navigable ones & i now surmise
       Dec 08, 2005 @ 17:32 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18954. Re: Balkan borders
       thanx are you suggesting you happily tried or luckily chanced on a multipoint ... chance to cross a lot of borders. Unfortunately I didn t manage to join
       Dec 08, 2005 @ 17:35 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18955. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Balkan borders
       you re welcome no, i didn t tried, nor by chance luckily or unluckily stumbled over any tripoints or any other multipoints many of the tripoints are quite
       Dec 08, 2005 @ 17:54 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
18956. Re: nyonqc continuation from czdepl
       or yikes it could still just be that some time between 1959 when the seaway was cut & the date of your canadian topo which was what btw cartographic convention
       Dec 08, 2005 @ 18:52 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18957. please stand by for kyle hipsley improvising on nyonqc
       united states ibc head commissioner schornack has very successfully redirected my or rather our inquiry to acting commissioner kyle hipsley to whom i have also
       Dec 08, 2005 @ 19:32 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18958. Re: please stand by for kyle hipsley improvising on nyonqc
       while we are waiting i can tell you that on the way to fully understanding my questions commissioner hipsley has already told me about the great water boundary
       Dec 08, 2005 @ 20:13 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18959. highly successful even if still fudgy class d nyonqc visit pic
       for your ongoing delectation while we are still waiting for the main event in the determination of true nyonqc as night falls quietly in dc & ct here is a
       Dec 08, 2005 @ 23:43 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
18960. So, is this what CNLAMM almost looks like?
       My apologies for inadvertently mistitling as well as initially misdirecting to BorderPoint alone the attached earlier post, when I intended it mainly for
       Dec 09, 2005 @ 02:54 - jim van dura (jim van dura <jimvandura@...>)
18961. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: please stand by for kyle hipsley improvising on nyonqc
       Very cool - I ve been in transit from Vancouver back to Toronto all day with barely enough room for my knees on the plane let alone a laptop to do any playing
       Dec 09, 2005 @ 03:18 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18962. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: nyonqc continuation from czdepl
       Cdn topo was dated 2000 _____ From: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of aletheiak Sent: Thursday, December 08,
       Dec 09, 2005 @ 03:21 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18963. Re: please stand by for kyle hipsley improvising on nyonqc
       thanx we are the coolest beepin thing in the world baby multidimensional pursuit of bliss cubed as well as happily ever after & this 40 minute errand at the
       Dec 09, 2005 @ 04:09 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18964. Re: So, is this what CNLAMM almost looks like?
       very nice indeed jimi & since boten is 29 & muangsing 35 as you can really relate to if you make the effort to zoom to the western half of cnla at encarta here
       Dec 09, 2005 @ 05:30 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18965. sanction threats multiply on djeret try as bigs rake eritrea for er nonuniversality & incommunality
       http://www.eritreadaily.net/News1205/article200512090.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the
       Dec 09, 2005 @ 05:45 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18966. afwerki tonsilar virtuosity comes just as alkatiri quits as chief roaring mouse
       having added at least 50 years to our auidtle & auidtlw tries with his no longer recent bellowings http://www.todayonline.com/articles/89222.asp it already
       Dec 09, 2005 @ 17:13 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18967. somaliland puntland thaw advances a breakaway tripoint but where exactly
       tho the territorial outcome is still unclear nevertheless complete prisoner exchanges between somaliland & puntland in the past week
       Dec 10, 2005 @ 18:48 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18968. What's going on up at Demarcation Point?
       Whilst using Google s new (free) map/satellite image service, I came across a very strange depictions of the area where the Yukon Territories/Alaska boundary
       Dec 10, 2005 @ 18:58 - sdrawkcabdom ("sdrawkcabdom" <sdrawkcab8@...>)
18969. Re: What's going on up at Demarcation Point?
       yes just a nice mistake these are actually very crude maps so any little slip of the stylus & anything is possible
       Dec 10, 2005 @ 19:03 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18970. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: What's going on up at Demarcation Point?
       an interesting thing tho about the tripoint you are trying to put your finger on there where dry caus reaches the low tide line & perhaps pauses to catch its
       Dec 10, 2005 @ 21:09 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
18971. Re: [BoundaryPoint] somaliland puntland thaw advances a breakaway tripoint but where exactly
       with the help of this better map http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/africa/djibouti_1968.jpg i have now managed to whittle the guess down to about n8d22m x e46d04m
       Dec 10, 2005 @ 21:10 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18972. re cninnpw confirmed blowing in wind but better try made
       yikes last week as you may recall from the attached nepal was claiming china had nibbled off 75 sq km of the kalapani area adjoining & including their western
       Dec 10, 2005 @ 23:58 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18973. new mouse roar is rated loud ok but panned as weak & tame overall
       with zero day & the showdown on the latest djeret try expected to unfold under a full moon for maximum anticipated lunacy & with the countdown & shoutup to
       Dec 11, 2005 @ 16:21 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18974. a few real tripoint prediction data found among crystal ball results
       & not that it was very appetizing to plow thru all their dizzying betting scenarios so i do apologize to that extent for even presenting this stuff but combing
       Dec 11, 2005 @ 21:18 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18975. turtle bay envoy to counting mouse reaches asmara on day minus 3
       hi ho hi ho a monday to friday diplomatic work week has never looked so fascinating
       Dec 12, 2005 @ 13:46 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18976. & brussels sprouts extra envoy to reach horn a day late if not a euro short again
       ... http://www.nieuwsbank.nl/_payment/order/782570440/en/2005/12/12/r019.htm ... ok here it is at least playing lip service or maybe even really acting like an
       Dec 12, 2005 @ 17:08 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18977. All quiet on the IBC front?
       No news is - well - no news I guess. In the interim, here are the US and Canadian maps of the NYONQC area with key points on each marked with flags at
       Dec 12, 2005 @ 20:39 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
18978. All quiet on the IBC front? - RESEND with ATTACHMENTS
       No news is - well - no news I guess. In the interim, here are the US and Canadian maps of the NYONQC area with key points on each marked with flags at
       Dec 12, 2005 @ 20:41 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@our-own-home.com>)
18979. Re: [BoundaryPoint] All quiet on the IBC front? - RESEND with ATTACHMENTS
       thanxx & yes indeed still no return call tho the commish did confidently promise it & fully expected to clear everything up & satisfy our inquiry on both caus
       Dec 12, 2005 @ 22:32 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18980. some hot new caus data & attendant guesses on the way to nyonqc
       ok i have just found the apparent sources of the nad83 marker & turnpoint coords in http://www.internationalboundarycommission.org/coordinates/SECT-J-83.txt &
       Dec 13, 2005 @ 03:39 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18981. Re: some hot new caus data & attendant guesses on the way to nyonqc
       in morning light a slight retrenchment is warranted of my expectation expressed here below last night of nailing nyonqc possibly even down to the correct
       Dec 13, 2005 @ 14:16 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18982. turtle bay envoys reach asmara on day minus 2 but find nobody home
       http://www.news24.com/News24/Africa/News/0,,2-11-1447_1850127,00.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo!
       Dec 13, 2005 @ 14:28 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18983. west blinks as djeret players prepare to leave eritrea on time yet stay close
       loud mouse isnt talking but just counting down http://www.eritreadaily.net/News1205/article200512130.htm __________________________________________________ Do
       Dec 13, 2005 @ 14:45 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18984. west admits indecision on next djeret move as mouse stuffing & blink are confirmed
       http://za.today.reuters.com/news/NewsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2005-12-13T141012Z_01_ALL351059_RTRIDST_0_OZATP-ERITREA-ETHIOPIA-20051213.XML
       Dec 13, 2005 @ 17:09 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18985. envoy still cooling heels in asmara as bigs huddle again in ny
       at midweek of its gala fifth anniversary blowout & in fact already day minus 1 & roaring down to the expulsion of all western peacekeeping from eritrea by late
       Dec 14, 2005 @ 14:42 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18986. bigs agree to accept the unacceptable inevitable & consider what to call it
       http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/africa/12/14/eritrea.reut/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the
       Dec 14, 2005 @ 19:44 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18987. bigs call partial retreat temporary as yank suggests quitting try
       http://ca.today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=domesticNews&storyID=2005-12-14T194047Z_01_YUE470733_RTRIDST_0_CANADA-ERITREA-ETHIOPIA-UN-COL.XML&archiv
       Dec 14, 2005 @ 20:06 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18988. flummoxed yank gives bigs 7 days to call ethiopia for stuffing djeret try
       http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/RWB.NSF/db900SID/HMYT-6K3TTF?OpenDocument __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo!
       Dec 14, 2005 @ 22:56 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18989. on zero day bigs bail in dismay but save face by pulling a few nonwesterners too
       invoking temporary safety precautions etc etc owing to charter violations etc etc yank wont be taking dictation from mouse
       Dec 15, 2005 @ 14:36 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18990. west quits asmara in confusion as envoy still waits for mouse on walkabout
       http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/RWB.NSF/db900SID/KOCA-6K4J4W?OpenDocument __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo!
       Dec 15, 2005 @ 16:04 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18991. ignored envoy follows rest of west from eritrea as bigs rethink djeret try
       crossroads week becomes crisis month http://www.metronews.ca/reuters_national.asp?id=116190
       Dec 16, 2005 @ 14:19 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18992. lord triesman ignored by mouse reportedly will play only ababa tomorrow
       west is evidently all out as well as locked out of asmara http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/IRIN/1b8fc265089b131f75fc4b01d34bd744.htm but meet our new
       Dec 16, 2005 @ 16:02 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18993. triesman in addis for djeret restart try encounters local political meltdown too
       http://news.monstersandcritics.com/africa/article_1069420.php/African_European_officials_concerned_about_Ethiopia_border_moves
       Dec 17, 2005 @ 13:56 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18994. triesman pounds addis but only blames asmara for supposedly solid red light
       http://www.sudantribune.com/article.php3?id_article=13105 evidently unaware italian envoy was well received in eritrea this week
       Dec 18, 2005 @ 14:16 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18995. evidence for canuck river borders & thus likely nyonqc at midchannel
       not quite a smoking gun yet for nyonqc herself but there is evidence of a canadian legal tradition of midchannel borders both interprovincial & subdivisional
       Dec 18, 2005 @ 14:26 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18996. Re: evidence for canuck river borders & thus likely nyonqc at midchannel
       which boils down to or means in summary a bit presumptively but i think still very sensibly at this point that armed only with the expected authoritative ibc
       Dec 18, 2005 @ 19:09 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18997. Re: DK 2nd and 3 division
       well i have finally been able to learn thanx to mapquest here http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?
       Dec 18, 2005 @ 21:32 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
18998. no real news but mouse roars djeret try betrayal caused expulsions
       http://www.int.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=68&art_id=qw1134988561700B263 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of
       Dec 19, 2005 @ 13:46 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
18999. BYPLUA was Re: [borderpoint] Polish borders
       ... HI! There may be other reasons it s hard to find too. According to both this old Soviet map: http://sunsite.berkeley.edu:8085/x-ussr/100k/M-34-024.jpg and
       Dec 20, 2005 @ 01:52 - jim van dura (jim van dura <jimvandura@...>)
19000. byplua
       nice going peter & jimi & i see parts of the canal are still visible by satpic here
       Dec 20, 2005 @ 02:42 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19001. Re: [BoundaryPoint] byplua
       also according to the cia http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/bo.html apparently the tripoint specs given in the 1998 belarus text in message
       Dec 20, 2005 @ 14:42 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19002. pic of cdcfsd worlds largest tripoint monument is back on line
       here pictured in the photo attachment & so archived again at last & i trust for good this time thanx to our stalwart crossfiling system at gmane here
       Dec 20, 2005 @ 21:00 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19003. Cooch Behar thesis online
       My thesis on the Cooch Behar enclaves is now online as a pdf file. http://eprints.unimelb.edu.au/archive/00001314/01/brendan%5Fwhyte.pdf Standard copyright
       Dec 21, 2005 @ 10:18 - Brendan Richard Whyte ("Brendan Richard Whyte" <bwhyte@...>)
19004. A Christmas gift for Aletheiak
       Dear all, Christmas - the feast of love. All-encompassing. Aletheiak was the most fervent contributor this year. Furious. He deserves our Christmas gift. But
       Dec 21, 2005 @ 12:20 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
19005. RE: [BoundaryPoint] A Christmas gift for Aletheiak
       So what s the point? ________________________________ From: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Wolfgang Schaub
       Dec 21, 2005 @ 12:26 - Bill Burke ("Bill Burke" <billb@...>)
19006. Re: A Christmas gift for Aletheiak
       thanx nice question & the answer & the point here as everywhere is self fulfillment of course but especially here at bp where we have so consciously &
       Dec 21, 2005 @ 13:40 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19007. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cooch Behar thesis online
       my humble but extremest & most multiple thanxxx & congrats maestro this is far better & grander context than we could ever have imagined not only for fully
       Dec 21, 2005 @ 14:56 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19008. 1877 boundary monument stolen
       www.swtimes.com/articles/2005/12/21/news/news04.txt Many of you will remember this 1877 Arkansas/Choctaw Nation boundary monument from my photos at:
       Dec 21, 2005 @ 17:02 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19009. RE: [BoundaryPoint] A Christmas gift for Aletheiak
       That we should tri. ... From: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Bill Burke Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005
       Dec 21, 2005 @ 17:05 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
19010. Re: 1877 boundary monument stolen
       hahahaha who us hahaha & you were the last boundary enthusiast we saw with it alive anyway werent you hmmm but happily no multipoints were injured in the
       Dec 21, 2005 @ 17:38 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19011. AW: [BoundaryPoint] 1877 boundary monument stolen
       Ah, fuck... This is the gift I wanted to make to Aletheiak. Now it s too late... ... Von: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
       Dec 21, 2005 @ 18:15 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
19012. solstice point try
       apparently my computer has been running 12 or 13 minutes slow lately so the present timed try is going to have to be only a best guess in any case & who knows
       Dec 21, 2005 @ 18:35 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19013. surprise wild card is dealt by eritrea ethiopia claims court
       far more than anyone would ever want to know about stuff they wouldnt want to look at anyway but it could affect the djeret try so you may want to be just
       Dec 21, 2005 @ 20:19 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19014. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: 1877 boundary monument stolen
       I hope that there s no connection between the stolen monument and Christmas gift threads. aletheiak wrote: hahahaha who us hahaha &
       Dec 22, 2005 @ 06:10 - Asher Samuels (Asher Samuels <asher972@...>)
19015. cooch behar quadripoints
       
       Dec 22, 2005 @ 20:24 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@mscc.huji.ac.il>)
19016. Re: [BoundaryPoint] cooch behar quadripoints
       thanx pal & i am looking forward to that but this is already an enormous holiday treat & labor of love to even get a crumb off the table of & i want you to
       Dec 22, 2005 @ 15:02 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19017. awesome new djeret try already class dddd yet so close you can taste it
       http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/RWB.NSF/db900SID/DPAS-6KBJJC?OpenDocument __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo!
       Dec 22, 2005 @ 15:36 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19018. but yikes now ethiopia has maxxed up the recent eecc ruling
       of course yet no doubt a surprise to the icg 3d diplomatic peace map makers http://allafrica.com/stories/200512220077.html so what now note bigs have evidently
       Dec 22, 2005 @ 16:00 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19019. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Spanish provincial tripoint marker... or not
       Revisiting these two Spanish tripoints from the comfort of my computer and the internet I have a lot more information to share now. Regrettably this means that
       Dec 22, 2005 @ 16:04 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
19020. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Spanish provincial tripoint marker... or not
       nicely done hugh & good to at least have their names correct now too & especially to have no regret about doubling back for a retry or even several retries if
       Dec 22, 2005 @ 17:48 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19021. Re: cooch behar quadripoints
       ok i have just had yet another surfeiting on this delectable cooch behar bull elephant seal & can now proudly report my esquimauxs eye has located your
       Dec 22, 2005 @ 19:38 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19022. regulation play ends in scoreless tie on djeret try ultimatum & continues into overtime
       bigs will be pleased to count any further try made during the coming 10 day reporting period
       Dec 23, 2005 @ 14:51 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19023. Re: regulation play ends in scoreless tie on djeret try ultimatum & continues into overtime
       oops hahaha i didnt mean ibc but icg obviously still have kyle the ibc commish on my mind for the nyonqc try ...
       Dec 23, 2005 @ 14:57 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19024. Helen Bray is out of the office.
       I will be out of the office starting 23/12/2005 and will not return until 11/01/2006. If you need urgent assistance, please contact Vladimir Bessarabov, 1 212
       Dec 24, 2005 @ 00:54 - Helen Bray ("Helen Bray" <bray@...>)
19025. Re: A Christmas gift for Aletheiak
       hahaha & thanxxx kevin for this brilliant convergency worthy of all 3 magi at once & thus not only an authentic try & a real shot on our multidimensional bp
       Dec 24, 2005 @ 15:21 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19026. fairly sensible analysis of the state of the djeret try
       & a corroboration that there really is good reason for high hopes of success now http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/ethiopi/articles/20051224.aspx
       Dec 24, 2005 @ 15:26 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19027. Re: BoundaryPoint Store
       ... & a special salute to our collective host & pilot & indeed to our owner i mean you bill thanxxx awesome er can i buy us back now indeed i am very pleased
       Dec 24, 2005 @ 16:45 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19028. eelvru question seems to be settling out
       a comment in this fresh report of the working lvru border agreement http://www.baltictimes.com/hot1.php?art_id=14315 implies latvia will be pleased to accept
       Dec 24, 2005 @ 20:02 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19029. CAUS2QCVT? and the Eleemosynary Zones
       http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051225/NEWS/512250328/1016/FEATURES07
       Dec 25, 2005 @ 14:01 - jim van dura (jim van dura <jimvandura@...>)
19030. Holiday Greetings
       Thanks to everyone who has been sharing and exchanging their thoughts, research, info, humour and time. You all have made this and Borderpoint more
       Dec 25, 2005 @ 16:11 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
19031. Re: Cooch Behar thesis online
       You all had no idea what you had been missing all this time. If you had bought the book rather than wait for the free movie , I think you would have helped
       Dec 25, 2005 @ 16:19 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
19032. bordercross phenom was Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Cooch Behar thesis online
       thanx len i certainly agree about the claves & appreciate that that is your main interest there too but in fact we had all this quadripoint data from brendan
       Dec 25, 2005 @ 20:25 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19033. yikes could njpa be a condo & thus njnypa & denjpa trilines rather than tripoints
       you may recall spooky mikes recent revisit to njnypa & his illustrated question about it http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/18068 which
       Dec 27, 2005 @ 07:01 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19034. record bp hitting streak ends at 113 days in a row
       yesterday while i was immersed in the delaware seeking evidence of a lost njpa condo & trilines the stroke of midnight slipped by unnoticed on the message
       Dec 27, 2005 @ 16:50 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19035. AW: [BoundaryPoint] record bp hitting streak ends at 113 days in a row
       You so nicely describe your own failure: You did not post anything in the continuum of bawling. No war breaking out, creating new tripoints? Not even the
       Dec 27, 2005 @ 17:02 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
19036. Re: AW: [BoundaryPoint] record bp hitting streak ends at 113 days in a row
       whooops hahaha excuse me for it is 115 days in a row now actually thanx to jimi & heres wishing you still more success & gain too ...
       Dec 27, 2005 @ 18:16 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19037. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: A Christmas gift for Aletheiak
       I think you must have someone else in mind. I am not perplexed, nor do I belittle anyone. I will accept your apology as a belated holiday gift! ;-)
       Dec 27, 2005 @ 18:47 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@...>)
19038. Re: A Christmas gift for Aletheiak
       yikes of course i did have someone else in mind but i did mean yours was a gift worthy of all 3 magi be multiple & fructify
       Dec 27, 2005 @ 20:12 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19039. Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes could njpa be a condo & thus njnypa & denjpa trilines rather than tripoints
       With reference to the the July 6, 2005 message, you can refresh your memory by going to Brian Butler s site, www.bjbsoftware.com/corners and clicking on
       Dec 28, 2005 @ 01:51 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
19040. Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes could njpa be a condo & thus njnypa & denjpa trilines rather than tripoints
       thanx pal tho i keep jack parsells book here with me in the flesh at all times & of course it is a big help as usual in this case it says the big monument says
       Dec 28, 2005 @ 14:55 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19041. Re: yikes could njpa be a condo & thus njnypa & denjpa trilines rather than tripoints
       bloops i see i transposed east & west in one passage of the earlier version of this message but i trust you knew what i meant anyway here it is corrected below
       Dec 28, 2005 @ 15:18 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19042. my2knphpk tripoint peak flagged after commissioner gets lost in jungle
       thats kelantan pahang perak http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=173173 http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/malaysia_adm98.jpg
       Dec 28, 2005 @ 15:43 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19043. Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes could njpa be a condo & thus njnypa & denjpa trilines rather than tripoints
       Do we know the year that the Tri State Rock was installed? Assuming that it and the witness monument are not contemporary, the laborious explanation on the
       Dec 28, 2005 @ 23:19 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19044. Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes could njpa be a condo & thus njnypa & denjpa trilines rather than tripoints
       the 2 rocks look & act & probably are at least roughly contemporary but dont rule out the possibility that the tri states monument properly so called &
       Dec 29, 2005 @ 01:21 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19045. Re: my2knphpk tripoint peak flagged after commissioner gets lost in jungle
       & not a tripoint photo but at least a poignant shot of the lost commish & his rescuers http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Thursday/National/20051229081218/
       Dec 29, 2005 @ 01:29 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19046. brits advise suspending all nonessential cfsdtd visit tries at this time
       http://www.harolddoan.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=7560 http://home.worldonline.dk/jesniel/border/african_tripoints.htm#cftdsd description from
       Dec 29, 2005 @ 03:18 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19047. Re: brits advise suspending all nonessential cfsdtd visit tries at this time
       aha here luckily before we do suspend the try is at least the closest known village named moro chad which you can see at encarta is situated about 20 km nw of
       Dec 29, 2005 @ 03:37 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19048. Re: yikes could njpa be a condo & thus njnypa & denjpa trilines rather than tripoints
       this admittedly imperfect njnypa map depiction dating from perhaps as early as 1884 & possibly revised as late as 1906 http://docs.unh.edu/NY/prtj08sw.jpg
       Dec 29, 2005 @ 16:04 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19049. pic showing njnypa disk has no trifinial die agram on it
       http://img.groundspeak.com/benchmark/lg/1ccfedbd-8cb5-45ad-be9c-21b272354856.jpg
       Dec 29, 2005 @ 18:00 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19050. stunning legal doc both clarifies & confuses both njnypa & nyonqc
       this statutory description of ny state boundaries from the ny state consolidated laws http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/nycodes/c111/a4.html naturally enough has
       Dec 30, 2005 @ 05:09 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19051. scudders & other wing dams wont be busting the njpa condo guess
       happily the 19th century dam at scudders falls has long since collapsed http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=40.266658,-74.853137&spn=0.003881,0.006972&t=h&hl=en
       Dec 30, 2005 @ 14:56 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19052. njpa condo & trilines looking even more real now
       this 1852 federal case especially on pages 90 & 94 & 96 http://www.justia.us/us/55/80/case.html makes it clear njpa was a full river condo except for the
       Dec 30, 2005 @ 20:30 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19053. yikes hold that eleemosynary tripoint promotion caucus one more time
       its tropical storm zeta http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIADSAAT+shtml/301605.shtml? extremest ever __________________________________ Yahoo! for Good -
       Dec 30, 2005 @ 21:14 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19054. zeta takes aim at connecticut landfall by early february
       http://www.gameshout.com/news/122005/article2221.htm go marius go njnyus but whod a thunk ctnyri in the big leagues & can they even extend a legal tripoint
       Dec 31, 2005 @ 15:21 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19055. njnypa if possible & a little beyond
       & doesnt the peculiar assertion in http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/nycodes/c111/a4.html that the njnypa tri state monument is marked by a crow foot rather
       Jan 01, 2006 @ 14:01 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19056. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
       Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File :
       Jan 01, 2006 @ 23:00 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com (BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com )
19057. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
       Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File :
       Jan 01, 2006 @ 23:01 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com (BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com )
19058. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
       Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File :
       Jan 01, 2006 @ 23:03 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com (BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com )
19059. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
       Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File :
       Jan 01, 2006 @ 23:06 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com (BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com )
19060. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
       Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File :
       Jan 01, 2006 @ 23:33 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com (BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com )
19061. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
       Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File :
       Jan 01, 2006 @ 23:36 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com (BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com )
19062. pix of hopefully corrected njnypa marker & 2006 inaugural tour
       of course the inaugural report first pennsylvania state route 2006 aka log tavern road in dingmans township pennsylvania was selected for this years bp
       Jan 02, 2006 @ 01:42 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19063. Four pointer
       I have a paperback version of The Hammond World Atlas (1989) which was a gift with a Newsweek subscription, and which has large scale maps of each of the
       Jan 02, 2006 @ 09:44 - Roger McCutcheon ("Roger McCutcheon" <rogerdwmac@...>)
19064. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Four pointer
       reading you loud & clear roger thanx & would only add since i neglected to mention chant realty was a most prominent sign yesterday on route 2006
       Jan 02, 2006 @ 16:37 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19065. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Four pointer
       but if wikipedia can be believed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Corners_Monument then the quadripoint depiction remained unchanged & unrenovated as recently
       Jan 02, 2006 @ 18:24 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19066. eggzil worlds first alleged tripoint border crossing opens for business today
       http://www.newkerala.com/news.php?action=fullnews&id=77798 still looking for a map or floorplan of the crossing area in relation to the trijunction & tripoint
       Jan 02, 2006 @ 19:30 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19067. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Four pointer
       If you will go to http://tinyurl.com/cstge (page four of the eight-page PDF) and to http://tinyurl.com/c2fjj , you can read about the groundbreaking ceremony
       Jan 02, 2006 @ 22:54 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19068. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Four pointer
       aha & what fun for it now seems clear they werent really breaking the ground there at all but only ceremonially rearranging the sand in an imported sandbox
       Jan 03, 2006 @ 01:42 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19069. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Four pointer
       Great fun - I wish though that when writeups such as the Wikipedia one give Lat and Long they would say what reference datum they are using. Without that
       Jan 03, 2006 @ 03:19 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
19070. Re: Four pointer
       thanx & good point tho in cases like these where the technical savvy of the source cant be taken for granted i think you just have to guess they mean nad83 on
       Jan 03, 2006 @ 06:44 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19071. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Four pointer
       The latitude of that particular point was presumably intended at the time to be dead on 37 degrees North, but when I zoom in as closely as possible on the
       Jan 03, 2006 @ 07:02 - Roger McCutcheon ("Roger McCutcheon" <rogerdwmac@...>)
19072. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Four pointer
       As I can see you cannot trust Google Earth 100% when it comes to positions and borders. 0 doesn t even hit Greenwich Observatory
       Jan 03, 2006 @ 08:33 - jesniel@image.dk (jesniel@...)
19073. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Four pointer
       I went to maximum magnification on Google Earth and found that it did indeed show zero longitude as being about three quarters of the way to the far side of
       Jan 03, 2006 @ 11:20 - Roger McCutcheon ("Roger McCutcheon" <rogerdwmac@...>)
19074. mouse roars again as bigs review their options if any
       http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/RWB.NSF/db900SID/DPAS-6KPKND?OpenDocument __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL � Something to write home about.
       Jan 03, 2006 @ 17:25 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19075. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Four pointer
       Take a look here where the difference between WGS84 and various other observations is documented at various locations along the prime meridian
       Jan 03, 2006 @ 21:07 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
19076. kofi tells bigs no djeret option is perfect
       http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=17079&Cr=Ethiopia&Cr1=Eritrea __________________________________ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year.
       Jan 03, 2006 @ 21:21 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19077. ok but why or what are we looking for
       
       Jan 03, 2006 @ 21:45 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19078. EGLYSD class b
       Thanks to the unknown visitor to Borderbase, who submitted the entry http://www.confluence.org/confluence.php?lat=22
       Jan 03, 2006 @ 21:49 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
19079. RE: [BoundaryPoint] ok but why or what are we looking for
       Each entry made records the actual WGS84 coordinates displayed on a GPSr device that is positioned at a physical marker which is marking the Prime Meridian.
       Jan 03, 2006 @ 22:00 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
19080. Re: EGLYSD class b
       wow nicely done & a pleasure to see the shots back on goal & the discussion back on target again & since all 3 ibs numbers 10 & 18 & 61 join brownlie in
       Jan 03, 2006 @ 22:57 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19081. Re: ok but why or what are we looking for
       ok thanx i get it but i am also still trying to figure out if there is anything useful for trypointing in these conversations that is somehow still eluding me
       Jan 04, 2006 @ 02:19 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19082. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ok but why or what are we looking for
       If you recall the start of this thread (which has change titles a few times now) it was the Lat and Long information provided for the US state quadripoint
       Jan 04, 2006 @ 03:29 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
19083. Re: ok but why or what are we looking for
       indeed it might be loveliest if these conversations inspired someone to recall to mind or more likely & even better yet to create for the first time ever such
       Jan 04, 2006 @ 03:33 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19084. Re: ok but why or what are we looking for
       i agree eglysd being unmarked would have been another good point to try this hit or miss experiment upon which i have just described in a crossing post for
       Jan 04, 2006 @ 03:48 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19085. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ok but why or what are we looking for
       I d like to comment on this. Even at the present state of the art, you cannot expect a hand held GPS to get you to an exact set of coordinates. It will get
       Jan 04, 2006 @ 04:08 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
19086. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ok but why or what are we looking for
       exactly my point jack thanx & i think either datum would do it there at idmtwy today too ... __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL –
       Jan 04, 2006 @ 04:17 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19087. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ok but why or what are we looking for
       I think we are in somewhat violent agreement. But, as I mentioned, some datums (e.g. Tokyo datum) can be up to 200m off from WGS84 which could put you too far
       Jan 04, 2006 @ 04:38 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
19088. Re: ok but why or what are we looking for
       violent what hahaha all you need to dispel the misconception that datum doesnt matter is to actually & preferably nonviolently find a tripoint where the datum
       Jan 04, 2006 @ 05:45 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19089. njpa line in river is looking real so territorial condo & trilines & a dry njnypa arent
       from the nj state archives comes word today that court decisions dated 1876 & 1956 respectively have held that the boundary line between pennsylvania & new
       Jan 04, 2006 @ 17:51 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19090. ellis island supreme rich castagna is flabbergasted by njnypa & denj niceties alike
       have just excitedly communicated both our entire njnypa enigma down to the latest wrinkle & our recent dwarf denj arc conundrum to rich casagna whom you may
       Jan 04, 2006 @ 21:20 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19091. CDCFCG topomap improvement
       http://users.skynet.be/chst/fronti2.jpg Jesper -- Borderbase - your online guide to international borders and tripoints http://www.nicolette.dk/borderbase
       Jan 04, 2006 @ 21:29 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
19092. nyonqc datum shift try by computation & other thoughts
       the promised help hugh by chance in the immediate nyonqc area a shift in datum from nad27 to nad83 or vice versa produces a surface displacement of just under
       Jan 05, 2006 @ 00:12 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19093. Re: EGLYSD class b
       there is no mention in any of the relevant ibs numbers that the 1925 italian egyptian agreement establishing this tripoint or the 1934 italo british egyptian
       Jan 05, 2006 @ 01:33 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19094. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: EGLYSD class b
       ... definitely won t be WGS84 since that was not in use until 1984 (hence the 84 in its name). I suspect that the Egypt 1907 Datum might have been used - but
       Jan 05, 2006 @ 02:54 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
19095. sounds like just flipflopping the tsz & bailing could win slow at turtle bay
       but not really friday as wrongly suggested here http://www.telegraphindia.com/1060105/asp/nation/story_5681601.asp since not even monday as rightly indicated
       Jan 05, 2006 @ 02:59 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19096. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: EGLYSD class b
       nice stuff thanx & please look for quite a few inserts ahead ... hahaha you certainly may disallow me & i knew dat about 84 but i dont infer wgs84 should be
       Jan 05, 2006 @ 04:51 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19097. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: EGLYSD class b
       While the EGLYSD tripoint has almost certainly never been surveyed according to any datum whatsoever, it seems likely that other segments of the EGLY
       Jan 05, 2006 @ 05:44 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19098. Re: EGLYSD class b
       & a very sweet dream indeed as well as a brilliant analysis & synthesis dear doctor but off the top of my head egsd even in the wadi halfa nile salient was
       Jan 05, 2006 @ 06:56 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19099. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: EGLYSD class b
       & in daylight this keeps looking funnier for what i didnt realize last night is that the only 2 available border segments that we can use for implementing your
       Jan 05, 2006 @ 17:23 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19100. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: EGLYSD class b
       Could this be EGSD demarcation? http://www.confluence.org/photo.php?visitid=11575 &pic=ALL Who
       Jan 05, 2006 @ 18:19 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
19101. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: EGLYSD class b
       Oh good - those pictures reappeared - they weren t there the other day so I wrote to the confluence.org coordinator for that region and that seems to have
       Jan 05, 2006 @ 19:15 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
19102. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: EGLYSD class b
       Aha - here is the description of how confluence.org deal with confluences on borders (http://www.confluence.org/infoconf.php#owner). It appears that this
       Jan 05, 2006 @ 19:47 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
19103. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: EGLYSD class b
       most probably just an entering or welcome to sudan sort of sign since it just says the sudan in arabic on the north side there is no known egds demarcation &
       Jan 05, 2006 @ 20:00 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19104. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: EGLYSD class b
       A quick googling did not find new material on EGSD demarcation, but I found this: http://www.fao.org/ag/locusts/oldsite/EGYSUD/show4/P1.htm. But doesn’t the
       Jan 05, 2006 @ 20:44 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
19105. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: EGLYSD class b
       ... true but please see below to help clarify what our discussion actually was or is about ... why a shame ... why would you like that ...
       Jan 05, 2006 @ 21:06 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19106. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: EGLYSD class b
       ... funny i did too but why do you bring it in ... yes it says the sudan with the definite article written in the 2 arabic words as sudan pronounced ahss sudan
       Jan 05, 2006 @ 21:20 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19107. turtle tonsiled kofi warns mouse to pipe down in 26 days or else
       & youll have to wait til almost the antepenultimate paragraph to hear it http://www.metimes.com/articles/normal.php?StoryID=20060105-113632-4819r but we djeret
       Jan 05, 2006 @ 22:10 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19108. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: EGLYSD class b
       I looked through the slide show on that site, and I haven t seen a sign yet! Where is it? Thanks, Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From:
       Jan 05, 2006 @ 23:43 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19109. Re: EGLYSD class b
       having also examined all these pix carefully myself earlier & on further reflection too & unless jesper wakes up to answer us directly i think you must be
       Jan 06, 2006 @ 00:51 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19110. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: EGLYSD class b
       There are two sites that Jesper pointed us to. The sign was here http://www.confluence.org/photo.php?visitid=11575
       Jan 06, 2006 @ 01:55 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
19111. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: EGLYSD class b
       Pictures 1 and 3 show a different side from picture 7 - apart from the leftmost character, which is the same on both sides, the words look to be completely
       Jan 06, 2006 @ 02:04 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
19112. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: EGLYSD class b
       right you are thanx the sudan a n d egypt ... ...
       Jan 06, 2006 @ 02:20 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19113. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: EGLYSD class b
       ... Actually I figured out that they were looking for desert locusts which just happen to inhabit the border region. _____ From: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
       Jan 06, 2006 @ 02:28 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
19114. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: EGLYSD class b
       ... ... so far so obvious but marked by what & how is of course the question just as not all signs
       Jan 06, 2006 @ 03:11 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19115. Re: EGLYSD class b
       oops & good i didnt mean to be gratuitously critical ... t=ms&k=Photographs&w1=Photographs&w2=Boundary& ... t=ms&k=Boundary&w1=Photographs&w2=Boundary&w3= ...
       Jan 06, 2006 @ 03:12 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19116. 2 more small steps for man toward an imminent nyonqc splashdown
       thinking the american ibc commissioner kyle hipsley in dc had fallen asleep on our question i phoned his canadian counterpart al arseneault in ottawa with the
       Jan 06, 2006 @ 18:49 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19117. Re: 2 more small steps for man toward an imminent nyonqc splashdown
       btw in case you noticed it & wondered that was an unintentional confusion of al & kyle just now owing probably to the head spinning effects but it is now
       Jan 06, 2006 @ 20:47 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19118. 19th djeret update by trymaster sir lauterpacht hisself a hole in one
       cut directly to antepenultimate page this time & then be sure to read a little backwards too as busumuru k turtle tonsils is sounding mighty mellow here as
       Jan 06, 2006 @ 22:05 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19119. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: EGLYSD class b
       According to my Egyptian neighbour the leftmost most symbol is interpreted as follows - the circle represents the number 5 and the dot a 0, thus together they
       Jan 07, 2006 @ 02:49 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
19120. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: EGLYSD class b
       no i didnt say al sudan but as sudan which i still say & er figured you guys already knew how to read arabic numerals but now that you mention it maybe this is
       Jan 07, 2006 @ 03:58 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19121. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: EGLYSD class b
       So, the south-facing side says Sudan and the north-facing one says Egypt. That seems more consistent with a border marker than with a sign for the
       Jan 07, 2006 @ 04:31 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19122. eglysd afterglow but isnt there more
       also with thanx again to jesper both for starting it all as well as for asking but but isnt there more & to hugh for pointing out that indeed there is more &
       Jan 07, 2006 @ 05:01 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19123. Re: EGLYSD class b
       or a shortcut to the guide & travel agent anyone http://www.comeseeegypt.com/midland.htm ... er how do you figure that
       Jan 07, 2006 @ 05:42 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19124. Re: EGLYSD class b
       ... oh ok right picture 3 good point
       Jan 07, 2006 @ 05:55 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19125. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: EGLYSD class b
       Actually, I used the shadows. Photo 3 shows the shady side of the marker. The members of the expedition face into the sun for the camera in photo 7. Lowell
       Jan 07, 2006 @ 06:11 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19126. please hold off on mohamed as i just wrote him myself
       
       Jan 07, 2006 @ 13:38 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19127. still tense but much nicer & quieter now along eret toward djeret
       interesting news summary & distillation of kofis fat report i posted yesterday
       Jan 07, 2006 @ 19:02 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19128. yikes it looks like there may have been a 1992 egsd border agreement etc
       but so far only this beguiling whiff http://www.ethiopians.com/abay/engin.html & a fishy one it could well be at that since egsd border relations actually
       Jan 07, 2006 @ 23:17 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19129. Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes it looks like there may have been a 1992 egsd border agreement etc
       nope & oops for evidently the 1992 was only a typo for 1929 as i only just realized so the 1934 tripartite agreement keeps looking better ...
       Jan 07, 2006 @ 23:53 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19130. Re: CDCFCG topomap improvement
       ... hahaha an improvement on what unless you just mean that the good old colonial era was better than the present or perhaps it is that you are subtly inviting
       Jan 08, 2006 @ 19:13 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19131. IRPKs
       http://mapy.mk.cvut.cz/data/Centr._Asia/Topo%20maps_500k/G-41-V.jpg -- Borderbase - your online guide to international borders and tripoints
       Jan 08, 2006 @ 22:03 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
19132. speculative but very plausible double hit on 22x27 egsd sign & more
       on page 12 of this 2005 european union document http://europa.eu.int/comm/world/ enp/pdf/country/egypt_cr_0503.pdf it says of egypt as follows border
       Jan 08, 2006 @ 22:35 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19133. Re: [BoundaryPoint] IRPKs
       ... http://mapy.mk.cvut.cz/data/Centr._Asia/Topo%20maps_500k/G-41-V.jpg ... savory bouillabaisse there & it leads with a few zigzags to afirpk too for bp here
       Jan 08, 2006 @ 22:56 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19134. afirtm
       http://mapy.mk.cvut.cz/data/Centr._Asia/Topo%20maps_500k/I-41-A.jpg __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL � Something to write home about. Just
       Jan 08, 2006 @ 23:49 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19135. Re: [BoundaryPoint] speculative but very plausible double hit on 22x27 egsd sign & more
       The Egyptian military officer that was required to accompany the confluencing party on its adventure into the wilderness might very well have been from this
       Jan 09, 2006 @ 02:44 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19136. Some nice new pics from ATHUSK
       See http://tinyurl.com/84xfo
       Jan 09, 2006 @ 03:45 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
19137. eglysd datum spec try apparently dies yet could revive by technicality
       no sooner than i dove back into the treaty collection at turtle bay did i realize the game was up on the eglysd datum identifcation try as previously proposed
       Jan 09, 2006 @ 03:46 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19138. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Some nice new pics from ATHUSK
       Here s some old ATHUSK snaps... From 2001 (GCEBE): http://www.flickr.com/photos/borderfilms/83446088/ And 2002 (GEEBE):
       Jan 09, 2006 @ 04:01 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
19139. Re: [BoundaryPoint] eglysd datum spec try apparently dies yet could revive by technicality
       Your proposal for using whatever is the datum (however elusive) of the demarcated segments of EGLY for undemarcated LYSD and EGLYSD seems entirely reasonable
       Jan 09, 2006 @ 05:08 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19140. Re: Some nice new pics from ATHUSK
       nicely done people & i still cant be sure from this distance but i have the growing sense with athusk that the main rock has been dilapidating ever so vaguely
       Jan 09, 2006 @ 16:35 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19141. the apparent way to eglysd
       yes i am very glad to hear this from you the inventor of the method & there is further encouragement for our madness in the fact that the only known egly
       Jan 09, 2006 @ 19:09 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19142. mouse roars again at kofis new ultimatum with 3 weeks left on clock
       still a pretty horrible din if just to keep jacking her hard won but still tiny leverage til the last possible moment but it sounds like she could yet be
       Jan 09, 2006 @ 20:35 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19143. & yesss the yanks are coming to the djeret try just like in the real movie
       http://www.sudantribune.com/article.php3?id_article=13461 yikes i cant believe it yet but lets follow the bouncing ball anyway & see where it goes
       Jan 09, 2006 @ 20:40 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19144. report from turtle bay suggests yanks didnt jump but were pushed out front
       http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=17121&Cr=&Cr1= perhaps as part of a multiple but quiet & slow initiative by the flummoxed bigs proceeding in
       Jan 09, 2006 @ 22:13 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19145. new djeret trymaster is a she with a retired marine general as first kibitzer
       & reuters pic of her fares noticeably better in africa than did cnns of bolton http://www.sudantribune.com/article.php3?id_article=13466 i can scarcely wait
       Jan 10, 2006 @ 00:27 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19146. a second new egsd sign is reported much closer to eglysd
       for the surprising report of it click on jebel uweinat at left here http://www.fjexpeditions.com/frameset/geography.htm & skip directly if you can to the next
       Jan 10, 2006 @ 03:52 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19147. newfound history of 1925 egit treaty helps focus eglysd datum search
       the focal point of this interesting history of the events leading up to the creation of what is today egly http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2000/510/chrncls.htm is
       Jan 10, 2006 @ 23:24 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19148. but why suppose an eglysd datum has ever been stated or even can be synthesized
       yikes i have been so gulled into thinking we are dealing with a set of normal boundaries here at eglysd & that they will be behaving like any others like for
       Jan 11, 2006 @ 03:25 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19149. Re: but why suppose an eglysd datum has ever been stated or even can be synthesized
       aha & far better we just ask the egypt border force if it happens to have gps era survey data on this southernmost egly marker at any level of exactitude &
       Jan 11, 2006 @ 03:36 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19150. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: but why suppose an eglysd datum has ever been stated or even can be synthesized
       While you re corresponding with them, couldn t you just ask if there is an official datum for the delimited but undemarcated portions of the EGLY boundary and
       Jan 11, 2006 @ 05:32 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19151. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: but why suppose an eglysd datum has ever been stated or even can be synthesized
       thanxx i appreciate the question no less than the critical review behind it but first with regard to the egsd signs all indications thus far are that they date
       Jan 11, 2006 @ 16:06 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19152. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: but why suppose an eglysd datum has ever been stated or even can be synthesized
       ... displacement both potentially & typically i believe is in the longitude rather than the latitude
       Jan 11, 2006 @ 16:42 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
19153. Re: but why suppose an eglysd datum has ever been stated or even can be synthesized
       thank you thank hugh huge thanxx & hugs & a few intertwingles follow ... you are right a general statement cant be made if you drag the exceedingly anomalous &
       Jan 11, 2006 @ 18:04 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19154. Re: but why suppose an eglysd datum has ever been stated or even can be synthesized
       & actually this whole excursion into datum shifts will prove unnecessary if we can get our southernmost egly rock coords in wgs84 in which case the latitudinal
       Jan 11, 2006 @ 18:44 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19155. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: but why suppose an eglysd datum has ever been stated or even can be synthesized
       Boiling it down to actual numbers: Points defined using the datums typically used in Egypt are approximately 130m meridianally distant and 117m lattitudinally
       Jan 11, 2006 @ 18:50 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
19156. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: but why suppose an eglysd datum has ever been stated or even can be synthesized
       Not necessarily - different datums do not give rise to absolutely parallel lines of longitude and lattitude when compared with each other. They are generally
       Jan 11, 2006 @ 18:57 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
19157. Re: but why suppose an eglysd datum has ever been stated or even can be synthesized
       in this you are both absolutely correct & right on point as well for if we found the southernmost egly rock to be 10 meters off the wgs84 25th meridian then
       Jan 11, 2006 @ 19:11 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19158. mood euphoric in djeret advance party as arrival of la exigente nears
       report card from the eret front line is straight aces as far as the eye can see in all directions & many encouraging words & signs for us trypointers too
       Jan 11, 2006 @ 23:26 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19159. Oil rig or lighthouse in int'l waters
       Does anyone know of any oil rigs, lighthouses, or other man-made territories in international waters (i.e. outside of the 12-mile territorial limit of
       Jan 12, 2006 @ 03:49 - Seÿffffe1n O'Connell (=?iso-8859-1?q?Se=FFffffe1n=20O'Connell?= <gleannmaghair@...>)
19160. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Oil rig or lighthouse in int'l waters
       The Gulf of Mexico is full of oil rigs beyond the territorial seas (but within the exclusive economic zones of the USA and Mexico, of course). Since they are
       Jan 12, 2006 @ 04:04 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19161. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Oil rig or lighthouse in int'l waters
       Off the Outer Banks in North Carolina, there are two lighthouses that were built on modified towers normally used for oil rigs that are more than 12 miles from
       Jan 12, 2006 @ 05:55 - Eric Choate (Eric Choate <choatune@...>)
19162. RE : Re: [BoundaryPoint] Oil rig or lighthouse in int'l waters
       Thanks Lowell, Thanks Eric, Much appreciated, ...anybody else know about any others?? Also, here s one that s been bugging me for a while, and that has
       Jan 12, 2006 @ 07:19 - Seÿffffe1n O'Connell (=?iso-8859-1?q?Se=FFffffe1n=20O'Connell?= <gleannmaghair@...>)
19163. Re: RE : Re: [BoundaryPoint] Oil rig or lighthouse in int'l waters
       actually none of these boxes are really boundaries sean nor accordingly do they produce any real boundary multipoints nor btw could they or the subjects of
       Jan 12, 2006 @ 14:50 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19164. Re: RE : Re: [BoundaryPoint] Oil rig or lighthouse in int'l waters
       an even better place to get reliable info on boundaries if that is all you want is the list of the international boundary research unit of the university of
       Jan 12, 2006 @ 16:03 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19165. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Oil rig or lighthouse in int'l waters
       ... Yes, it could. Landfill, jetties, piers, artificial islands, etc. all generate territorial seas. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA
       Jan 12, 2006 @ 18:27 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19166. Re: but why suppose an eglysd datum has ever been stated or even can be synthesized
       hugh & lowell & anyone else who is still following the bouncing ball & eglysd tripoint try i have just ordered up uconns copy of brownlie again which usually
       Jan 12, 2006 @ 20:35 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19167. Brownlie on Africa
       Of course if you have USD109.95 to spare there is this copy available - http://tinyurl.com/8wdhd - don t all rush now - only one left at that price (the other
       Jan 12, 2006 @ 20:53 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
19168. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Brownlie on Africa
       Or here s one for only USD 52.50 - http://tinyurl.com/7broe _____ From: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Hugh
       Jan 12, 2006 @ 21:09 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
19169. previous roaring mouse now a multibillionaire as present one slacks off too
       bp oldtimers will recall the late ruckus of our former raging tripointer mouse timor leste over the ultimate positioning of the auidtle & auidtlw eez tripoints
       Jan 12, 2006 @ 22:22 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19170. RE : Re: [BoundaryPoint] Oil rig or lighthouse in int'l waters
       Artificial islands, installations and structures do not possess the status of islands. They have no territorial sea of their own, and their presence does not
       Jan 12, 2006 @ 22:33 - Seÿffffe1n O'Connell (=?iso-8859-1?q?Se=FFffffe1n=20O'Connell?= <gleannmaghair@...>)
19171. Re: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Oil rig or lighthouse in int'l waters
       Norman J. G. Pounds in POLITICAL GEOGRAPHY (New York: McGraw-Hill, 1972): The coastline is continually changing under the influence of both natural processes
       Jan 12, 2006 @ 23:06 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19172. RE : Re: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Oil rig or lighthouse in int'l waters
       Yes, point taken. I think you re right; that UNCLOS article seems to refer only to artificial structures, which are in int l waters. Cheers, Sean Btw, I
       Jan 12, 2006 @ 23:46 - Seÿffffe1n O'Connell (=?iso-8859-1?q?Se=FFffffe1n=20O'Connell?= <gleannmaghair@...>)
19173. yanks get final token roar & signal back proposed routing for djeret try
       all good news i take it http://www.eritreadaily.net/News2006/article200601123.htm & note the sequence mentioned not by accident i think asmara before addis
       Jan 13, 2006 @ 00:46 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19174. RE: RE : Re: [BoundaryPoint] Oil rig or lighthouse in int'l waters
       I would have thought land fill that extended the natural coastline of a country would have the effect of extending the territorial limit. ...
       Jan 13, 2006 @ 10:30 - Barry Arnold ("Barry Arnold" <barry_432@...>)
19175. reality check
       yes indeed barry you are quite right of course & yet at the same time let me take this opportunity to say & not at all pointedly to you yourself but in general
       Jan 13, 2006 @ 16:51 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19176. whooops hahaha myself Re: reality check
       just walked up to the hilltop here & realized there so had to come running back down to correct or add here with all due credit & honor to all of you & us
       Jan 13, 2006 @ 18:46 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19177. jendayi to begin djeret try via monrovia monday & then straight to eret front line
       at public debut she reports she will first celebrate ellens presidential inaugural with laura & condi http://www.voanews.com/english/2006-01-13-voa61.cfm &
       Jan 13, 2006 @ 21:04 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19178. syria-turkey
       Hi folks, I just got back last night from a trip to the Middle East. I had the fortunate experience of crossing over the Turkey-Syria border and the
       Jan 14, 2006 @ 01:34 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
19179. CN GIS
       This Chinese GIS site http://nfgis.nsdi.gov.cn/nfgis/chinese/mapFrame.htm was found on Arif s wonderfull GIS collection page
       Jan 14, 2006 @ 14:31 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
19180. CNMNRUW
       I am not sure if this has already been disgussed, but as always old things can always be brought forward. Looking at the attached map of cnmnruw, I was
       Jan 14, 2006 @ 15:02 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
19181. Re: syria-turkey
       ... crossing over the Turkey-Syria border and the Syria-Lebanon border. It was fascinating, and I ll be posting some pictures on my Website next week.
       Jan 14, 2006 @ 15:29 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19182. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CNMNRUW
       yes always good to keep coming back for improvements wherever they are still possible & i see our class a link here has expired besides
       Jan 14, 2006 @ 15:53 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19183. jendayi fixating on eret pets mouse & will scold puss if she gets to addis
       big if too http://www.eritreadaily.net/News2006/article200601141.htm indeed she is making such a broadway production out of inspecting the boundary itself that
       Jan 14, 2006 @ 19:37 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19184. Flickr Boundarypoint Photos Group
       I took the liberty to set up a Flickr Boundary point group if you wanted to post pictures with your posts. http://flickr.com/groups/boundarypoint/ I strongly
       Jan 15, 2006 @ 05:33 - Roger_Rowlett ("Roger_Rowlett" <roger.rowlett@...>)
19185. Tripoint picture: BZGTMX
       Hello All: I think I have found a picture of the Belize-Guatemala-Mexico tripoint. The following PDF discusses work along the Mexico-Guatemala border and has a
       Jan 15, 2006 @ 09:36 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
19186. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoint picture: BZGTMX
       That s it! Notice how monument 107 on page 17 is much larger and of different design than the standard GTMX monuments. From the two photos, we can say that it
       Jan 15, 2006 @ 17:05 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19187. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoint picture: BZGTMX
       awesome doug thanx great stuff & for some reason i have so far been able to reach only your first & most telling pdf link regarding gtmx monument 107 so i am
       Jan 15, 2006 @ 17:30 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19188. Re: Flickr Boundarypoint Photos Group
       thanx very much indeed roger & isnt the little logo pic you have adopted there at upper left the ctmany marker with the conn inscription just barely scratched
       Jan 15, 2006 @ 17:54 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19189. Russian/Soviet demarcation at tripoint
       The Soviet Union seems to get things their way at border demarcation: NORU: http://www.nicolette.dk/borderbase/border.php?c1=118
       Jan 15, 2006 @ 18:45 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
19190. Nice pic
       ..but surely not tp: http://ktv.ff.cuni.cz/gallery/1068313012_17_trojmezi.jpg Inspite of title - probably near ATCZDE Jesper -- Borderbase - your online guide
       Jan 15, 2006 @ 19:44 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
19191. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoint picture: BZGTMX
       ... i would say not that thats it necessarily but that that now marks a position that was at least formerly & widely believed to be it ... my guess about this
       Jan 15, 2006 @ 19:49 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19192. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Russian/Soviet demarcation at tripoint
       aha i see youve been busy very nice the question of style is interesting as well as complicated but obviously the styles of markers always have far more to do
       Jan 15, 2006 @ 20:13 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19193. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoint picture: BZGTMX
       See my several insertions below. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: aletheia kallos To:
       Jan 15, 2006 @ 23:13 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19194. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoint picture: BZGTMX
       doug another reason this bzgtmx commission pdf you bring is a remarkable document even if it doesnt mention a bzgtmx tripoint let alone the truest available
       Jan 15, 2006 @ 23:37 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19195. Re: Tripoint picture: BZGTMX
       good we are in full sync now except or maybe just to further elaborate what you are identifying as plaques are perhaps not what this commission or i would call
       Jan 16, 2006 @ 00:53 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19196. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoint picture: BZGTMX
       I just Googled Comisión Internacional de Límites y Aguas México-Guatemala-Belice and got 138 hits. I don t have time to check them out, but the commission
       Jan 16, 2006 @ 00:55 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19197. Re: Tripoint picture: BZGTMX
       thanx i see the hits all right but they are all evidently casual nominal & obscure for our purposes as i dont see any other references to demarcations & this
       Jan 16, 2006 @ 01:23 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19198. are ghana & nigeria dreaming about bjghng & bjghtg or is veridian wrong
       for claims of these 2 new to me eez tripoints please read between the fascinating lines & eez claims in this fresh news report
       Jan 16, 2006 @ 02:10 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19199. previous roaring mouse is declared the loser for quitting too soon & cheap
       this analysis says the real importance of auidtle & auidtlw location location location for timor leste was traded away by our previous hungry mouse for what is
       Jan 16, 2006 @ 13:47 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19200. & top analysts critique present roaring mouse performance
       http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=68731&version=1&template_id=46&parent_id=26 meanwhile jendayi en route to the horn has
       Jan 16, 2006 @ 16:26 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19201. Five Slovakia tripoints
       In case this hasn t been noticed here before, this is a link to the Slovakia government border administration website - it has a map and photos of all the
       Jan 17, 2006 @ 03:10 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
19202. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Five Slovakia tripoints
       nice as well as fresh & well aimed & it appears to reconfirm with this pic http://www.civil.gov.sk/OSH/new/triplex.jpg the dilapidation of the athusk rock &
       Jan 17, 2006 @ 15:14 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19203. jendayi slips off the radar after queen of africa inaugural on king day
       for a hint of how high she must be flying toward her djeret try http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/17/international/africa/17liberia.html?th&emc=th & we already
       Jan 17, 2006 @ 16:12 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19204. oops
       http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4621880.stm what now she is still in the air __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam?
       Jan 17, 2006 @ 18:10 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19205. No mention of
       AMGETR and AMAZGE http://eng.primenewsonline.com/?c=121 &a=5437 Jesper -- Borderbase - your online guide to
       Jan 17, 2006 @ 18:28 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
19206. VS: [BoundaryPoint] Russian/Soviet demarcation at tripoint
       MDUA evidence thanks to unknown contributor to Borderbase: http://www.ingeocad.md/?link=2 &limb=en Jesper _____ Fra:
       Jan 17, 2006 @ 18:29 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
19207. Re: VS: [BoundaryPoint] Russian/Soviet demarcation at tripoint
       jesper i realize you may well have a very loose view of what a tripoint is & also perhaps of what the meaning of at is but even so let me add just to relate
       Jan 17, 2006 @ 19:44 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19208. SV: VS: [BoundaryPoint] Russian/Soviet demarcation at tripoint
       I think I will just stick to Borderpoint instead,. Jesper _____ Fra: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com] På vegne af
       Jan 17, 2006 @ 20:58 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
19209. Re: SV: VS: [BoundaryPoint] Russian/Soviet demarcation at tripoint
       haha dont be silly what if you really do see a tripoint ... t=ms&k=Photographs&w1=Photographs&w2=Boundary& ... t=ms&k=Boundary&w1=Photographs&w2=Boundary&w3=
       Jan 17, 2006 @ 21:55 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19210. Re: [BoundaryPoint] oops
       yes oops all right but not a show stopper yanks maintain while frankly extemporizing http://www9.sbs.com.au/theworldnews/region.php?id=126888®ion=5
       Jan 18, 2006 @ 00:25 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19211. mouse bars jendayi & roars again for immediate djeret try
       http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N18227122.htm ... Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind
       Jan 19, 2006 @ 00:08 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19212. The point of the Durand Line
       I think it s been asked before, but here s a question about the Durand Line (Pak - Afg). Every website/article about this border always says something along
       Jan 19, 2006 @ 13:17 - sdrawkcabdom ("sdrawkcabdom" <sdrawkcab8@...>)
19213. somewhat subdued yanks finally reach horn on djeret try
       http://news.monstersandcritics.com/africa/article_1077460.php/US_delegation_in_Ethiopia_to_seek_end_to_Eritrea_border_dispute
       Jan 19, 2006 @ 15:44 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19214. Re: [BoundaryPoint] The point of the Durand Line
       borders are scratched across the hearts of men by strangers with a calm judicious pen & in this case it certainly does appear to have worked to divide & rule
       Jan 19, 2006 @ 15:38 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19215. aeqasa dispute flares again
       http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/templateC05.php?CID=2431 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has
       Jan 19, 2006 @ 19:33 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19216. resend Re: jendayi reportedly reaches eret & will pounce on puss tomorrow
       apologies if this lands twice as an earlier try is lost in space ...
       Jan 19, 2006 @ 19:54 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19217. jendayi reportedly reaches eret & will pounce on puss tomorrow
       fluffing up her itinerary & agenda she bounds into & out of addis & makes no mention of her djeret try yet but
       Jan 19, 2006 @ 18:54 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19218. Tripoint Area
       Being relatively new to this world of tripointing I will bag my first 3 tripoints this year. The first two will be achieved in May when I will be in Riga and
       Jan 20, 2006 @ 18:10 - Barry Arnold ("Barry Arnold" <barry_432@...>)
19219. Re: Tripoint Area
       bravo barry & not necessarily so old hat in the case of the eelvru tripoint at least if that is one of the 3 you mean but please do confirm that i am not
       Jan 20, 2006 @ 18:34 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19220. Tripoint Area
       I am not sure if I will make that one Estonia - Latvia - Russia- although I will welcome any advice in case I do. I thought to head east from Riga and see the
       Jan 20, 2006 @ 19:43 - Barry Arnold ("Barry Arnold" <barry_432@...>)
19221. & in the meantime too let me just ramble a bit about whats current
       first barry & everyone before returning to these most interesting new developments in latvia please be aware i have suspended the latest djeret try until
       Jan 20, 2006 @ 20:11 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19222. djeret try slips into red so please ignore & suspend with my apologies
       http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/africa/01/20/ethiopia.clashes.ap/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo!
       Jan 20, 2006 @ 15:39 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19223. Re: Tripoint Area
       ok good this crossed my latest post but just fyi as well as to help you search bp for anything you might ever want in fact no one can be sure about the correct
       Jan 20, 2006 @ 21:06 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19224. New Site
       Just wanted to mention that I do not update my AOL site anymore but update my link site at http://geographiccuriosities.freeservers.com/Links.htm and so please
       Jan 20, 2006 @ 20:40 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
19225. RE: [BoundaryPoint] New Site
       Thanks - looks useful. One thing I notice is that the charttiff sites you list for the USA charge you money for what the USDA provides for free via
       Jan 20, 2006 @ 22:58 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
19226. original tripoint crossing at eggzil to open monday for real
       heard it on the grapevine http://www.israelnn.com/news.php3?id=97025 & would still love to see the trifinial diagram in relation to this novel 3way border
       Jan 21, 2006 @ 00:41 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19227. more ramblings if i can
       first & just a further confirmation in todays news from the horn that the commotion in addis ababa overwhelming the late djeret try is now being trumped itself
       Jan 21, 2006 @ 17:29 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19228. jendayi appears to just tell meles its happening but result is unclear
       http://news.monstersandcritics.com/africa/article_1078113.php/US_delegation_meets_Ethiopian_leader_about_Eritrea_border_dispute
       Jan 21, 2006 @ 20:24 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19229. why jendayi has such a big problem in khartoum tomorrow etc
       indeed this smith prof has flunked her in advance http://www.sudantribune.com/article.php3?id_article=13675 remarkably for the same behavior pattern as the
       Jan 22, 2006 @ 00:23 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19230. Re: [borderpoint] GTHNSV, GTSV, HNSV or nothing?
       Yes, I would guess it is the view of GTHNSV from the tower! Or in other words, this same marker:
       Jan 22, 2006 @ 01:10 - jim van dura (jim van dura <jimvandura@...>)
19231. valiant cmgagq try remains oddly & narrowly class e
       the little city of ebebiyin in equatorial guinea is less than a kilometer from cmgagq the tripoint with cameroun & gabon
       Jan 22, 2006 @ 03:00 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19232. chinese internal boundaries
       New atlas of administrative divisions published www.chinaview.cn 2006-01-06 22:58:46
       Jan 22, 2006 @ 08:36 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <bwhyte@...>)
19233. Cooch Behar map
       The missing map has been added to the online version of my book on Cooch Behar enclaves. http://eprints.unimelb.edu.au/archive/00001443/ You may need to
       Jan 22, 2006 @ 08:45 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <bwhyte@...>)
19234. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cooch Behar map
       ... ok thanx again & believe it or not this easy result has eluded me so far but before i try again just in case it is a fools errand for my purposes maybe you
       Jan 22, 2006 @ 15:48 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19235. Re: baltic tripoints
       Hi Bendan, Thank you for this really useful advice - I will heed your advice carefully. Looking at Rolf s photos on the border zone website I assume that
       Jan 22, 2006 @ 20:07 - Barry Arnold ("Barry Arnold" <barry_432@...>)
19236. Re: quad points in Cooch Behar.
       ... one is mentioned in Hartley s boundary commission report of Rangpur/Cooch Behar, included as an appendix 1-17 to the text. See PArt V, para 2. on p300 of
       Jan 23, 2006 @ 08:53 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <bwhyte@...>)
19237. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: quad points in Cooch Behar.
       thanxxx doc this is just what i needed to hear for of course it is better to read the author than the book especially as we are lucky enough to have you in the
       Jan 23, 2006 @ 13:28 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19238. Re: somaliland puntland thaw advances a breakaway tripoint but where exactly
       hmm & when exactly too http://www.pinr.com/report.php?ac=view_report&report_id=425&language_id=1 for since this one is looking like another indefinite stall
       Jan 23, 2006 @ 16:21 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19239. mouse roars one more time at bogus djeret try
       http://www.eritreadaily.net/News2006/article200601233.htm & while you have your ears plugged i can tell you khartoum is all a din now too btw so where to next
       Jan 24, 2006 @ 02:57 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19240. Secretive Cooch behar quads
       ... I would think the 1930s report is still secret , as it was when i tried to view it in 2000. The wheels of openness grind slowly in the subcontinent, if at
       Jan 24, 2006 @ 06:40 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <bwhyte@...>)
19241. Re: Secretive Cooch behar quads
       great thanx again brendan for after 5 years of our trying here to fill in the global punctoscopy of this most treasured phenomenon namely the world class
       Jan 24, 2006 @ 16:16 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19242. jendayi hails african union credibility at khartoum despite djeret debacle
       http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/RWB.NSF/db900SID/VBOL-6LCJCD?OpenDocument toward an explanation of this apparently contradictory treatment & prognosis by doctor
       Jan 24, 2006 @ 16:25 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19243. bp tripoint meltdown risk put off probably for years
       the news we have long been expecting http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060124/NEWS/601240371/1006 for the general location of this
       Jan 24, 2006 @ 23:00 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19244. khartoum report bwnazmzw bridge funded by botswana & japan
       we have heard it before both on again & off again but this new word could well mean 2006 will be the year of the quadripoint bridge at kazungula
       Jan 25, 2006 @ 00:47 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19245. first hint of an eventual cdrwug monument etc
       it is purely academic both here at bp & among the gorillas in the mist since the bare natural summit of mount sabinyo already marks the cdrwug tripoint just
       Jan 25, 2006 @ 21:48 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19246. toward calling the question on illbsy
       in tomorrows news today http://www.asianews.it/view.php?l=en&art=5223 lebanon wants syria to properly demarcate their common border which you will recall was
       Jan 26, 2006 @ 17:36 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19247. Re: [borderpoint] 1:55 000 map of ETKESO
       Nice one! And (it took me a while to finally see it, but) I agree it does at least appear to be a wet tripoint there (just as Brownlie and the International
       Jan 26, 2006 @ 22:41 - jim van dura (jim van dura <jimvandura@...>)
19248. a first earnest but probably elusive cfcgcm try
       http://zoltantakacs.com/zt/er/water/album.php?idx=1 & i dont know what to make of this gps reading since it does seem to be quite a bit off here when compared
       Jan 27, 2006 @ 19:16 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19249. Re: [BoundaryPoint] a first earnest but probably elusive cfcgcm try
       But Bwana, what you are suggesting is that these folks most probably did pass directly through the CFCGCM tripoint as they navigated down the Sangha thalweg!
       Jan 29, 2006 @ 03:46 - jim van dura (jim van dura <jimvandura@...>)
19250. Re: [BoundaryPoint] a first earnest but probably elusive cfcgcm try
       ahh jimi you point hound for of course you are right but it is just that up til now we have been specially distinguishing this singular moment of conscious
       Jan 29, 2006 @ 04:08 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19251. roaring mouse clarifies plaint & adjusts aim from ny to dc
       indeed as relayed softly from nairobi via turtle bay
       Jan 30, 2006 @ 20:42 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19252. Re: BZNAZMZW
       Hi! As was recently explained too briefly here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/borderpoint/message/265 . . . and in more detail here:
       Jan 31, 2006 @ 01:19 - jim van dura (jim van dura <jimvandura@...>)
19253. Re: [borderpoint] CHFRIT class a?
       Hi! I think what was most probably meant by no mistake as to the highest point on this mountain is the crown of Christ s head. And, as was also previously
       Jan 31, 2006 @ 02:46 - jim van dura (jim van dura <jimvandura@...>)
19254. Re: [borderpoint] GNGWSN
       Nice call, Bwana! And the Dutch do say they got close. You can squeeze a bit more detail out of both Multimap and (better yet) Encarta:
       Jan 31, 2006 @ 14:58 - jim van dura (jim van dura <jimvandura@...>)
19255. aocdcg
       aocdcg the cabinda exclave tripoint angola congo republic congo democratic republic approx s lat 4d 39m & e long 13d 6m
       Jan 31, 2006 @ 15:36 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19256. Re: GNCILR
       Wow! Nice! But I would guess Class E in both cases. And I know I am not out of school here because I have just traced the entire previous try at BoundaryPoint
       Feb 01, 2006 @ 02:49 - jim van dura (jim van dura <jimvandura@...>)
19257. Re: bwzazw ?
       Another stunning pic, and certainly the right general area again, and every reason to believe it really is a tri-country photo, but of course for the
       Feb 01, 2006 @ 03:14 - jim van dura (jim van dura <jimvandura@...>)
19258. aocdzm
       aocdzm formerly begbpt angola congo democratic zambia
       Feb 01, 2006 @ 14:33 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19259. Re: GMANE - was Re: GNGWSN
       Good work, men! That should take care of everything. Now let me just try this lost attachment again. What is our Gmane access address, I mean like this one
       Feb 01, 2006 @ 20:35 - jim van dura (jim van dura <jimvandura@yahoo.com>)
19260. brownlie reaches cream hill for my birthday
       this among other delights eventually since i get a whole month with him you may recall the question that provoked his recall from the uconn library was but why
       Feb 01, 2006 @ 23:21 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19261. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 2 very different articles about Canadian/US border
       U.S. wants to build fences at Canadian border Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:19:18 -0800 Related Headline U.S. wants to build fences at Canadian border Asset H06658
       Feb 02, 2006 @ 02:37 - d3vb0y@aol.com (d3vb0y@...)
19262. 1997 Belg-Ger treaty
       Does anyone have copies of the 5 maps to accompany UN treaty 29007, concerning the rectification of the German-Belgian frontier in the area of the regularized
       Feb 02, 2006 @ 09:48 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
19263. RE: [BoundaryPoint] 1997 Belg-Ger treaty
       Malmedy? ________________________________ From: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Brendan Whyte Sent: 02
       Feb 02, 2006 @ 09:50 - Bill Burke ("Bill Burke" <billb@...>)
19264. aonazm
       aonazm the other caprivi tripoint angola namibia zambia
       Feb 02, 2006 @ 14:09 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19265. Re: 1997 Belg-Ger treaty
       good catch bill but i think this must be the hebrew spelling we are getting now & welcome to the middle east brendan could you happen to find the 1928 atlas of
       Feb 02, 2006 @ 14:18 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19266. Re: 2 very different articles about Canadian/US border
       welcome d3vb0y how do you pronounce that ... about ... Canada ... Los ... down
       Feb 02, 2006 @ 14:20 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19267. bfbjne
       bfbjne at the w of the niger tricountry national park burkina faso benin niger
       Feb 02, 2006 @ 17:46 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19268. Re: AEQASA?
       dear me just up at bp cubed http://groups.yahoo.com/group/borderpoint/message/482 We knew this much: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/19215
       Feb 03, 2006 @ 01:09 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19269. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: 2 very different articles about Canadian/US border
       In a message dated 2/2/06 9:22:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, aletheiak@yahoo.com writes: welcome d3vb0y how do you pronounce that Thanks. It s
       Feb 03, 2006 @ 01:19 - d3vb0y@aol.com (d3vb0y@...)
19270. Re: 2 very different articles about Canadian/US border
       ... thanx i love it & your second article was outrageous too
       Feb 03, 2006 @ 01:30 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19271. bfbjtg
       bfbjtg in the oti savanna burkina faso benin togo
       Feb 03, 2006 @ 13:20 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19272. Re: bfbjtg
       oops the following comment by brownlie was overlooked the first time around ibs 128 states bjtg is undemarcated except by rivers since the 1912 defr
       Feb 03, 2006 @ 21:44 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19273. Helen Bray is out of the office.
       I will be out of the office starting 03/02/2006 and will not return until 28/02/2006. If you need urgent assistance, please contact Geraldine Velandria, 1 212
       Feb 04, 2006 @ 03:02 - Helen Bray ("Helen Bray" <bray@...>)
19274. bfcigh
       bfcigh on the black volta burkina faso cote divoire ghana
       Feb 04, 2006 @ 03:46 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19275. bfciml
       bfciml in the upper leraba basin burkina faso cote divoire mali
       Feb 04, 2006 @ 15:46 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19276. bfghtg
       bfghtg at the tip of the northwest togo proruption burkina faso ghana togo zoomable map
       Feb 05, 2006 @ 14:01 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19277. Re: bfghtg
       Bwana, excuse this interruption in your proruption (as I trust it will be spoof rather than just poof) but it seems to me we haven t even reached the real
       Feb 05, 2006 @ 15:06 - jimvandura ("jimvandura" <jimvandura@...>)
19278. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: bfghtg
       er well yes you must be right jim hahaha north by northwest anyway thank you & here they are already http://www.ethnologue.org/14/show_language.asp?code=BIB
       Feb 05, 2006 @ 16:53 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19279. Re: [borderpoint] IQKWSA map and the Neutral Zone
       Hi! Realizing the Neutral Zone is long gone, but still hoping to actually see the promised tripoint, I followed the link to your tripoint guide, where I found
       Feb 06, 2006 @ 06:24 - jim van dura (jim van dura <jimvandura@...>)
19280. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: [borderpoint] IQKWSA map and the Neutral Zone
       nice play jimi & jesper as it looks like you really have found all the sharpest available instruments & tho further improvement may well be possible from here
       Feb 06, 2006 @ 14:22 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19281. bfmlne
       bfmlne still just a square kilometer or so of sahel burkina faso mali niger
       Feb 06, 2006 @ 14:28 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19282. bicdrw
       bicdrw the belgian colonial tripoint burundi congo democratic rwanda
       Feb 07, 2006 @ 13:07 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19283. kofi reminds bigs of 6 ways to skirt rule of law & djeret try
       deja vu again at turtle bay http://www.andnetwork.com/app?service=direct/0/Home/$StorySummary.$DirectLink$2&sp=l16540 as recent lightweight try by jendayi is
       Feb 07, 2006 @ 13:57 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19284. bicdtz
       bicdtz in northern lake tanganyika burundi congo democratic tanzania
       Feb 08, 2006 @ 13:28 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19285. bolton calls conclave to fake another djeret try while unmee clock runs down
       http://news.aol.com/topnews/articles?id=n20060208145509990007
       Feb 09, 2006 @ 13:13 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19286. birwtz
       birwtz the german colonial tripoint burundi rwanda tanzania
       Feb 09, 2006 @ 13:19 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19287. Europe-Asia Boundary "within" Russian Federation
       Which of Russia s 88 Subjects Republics Krays Oblasts etc ,are generally accepted as being in Europe and how many are in Asia? And...are there any
       Feb 13, 2006 @ 19:43 - raedwulf16 ("raedwulf16" <raedwulf16@...>)
19288. Re: Europe-Asia Boundary "within" Russian Federation
       since the orenburg oblast is generally accepted as being in both europe & asia a total of about 32 & a half subjects are in asia & thus the balance of about 55
       Feb 13, 2006 @ 21:39 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19289. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Europe-Asia Boundary "within" Russian Federation
       But Komissar, I see here: http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/l/lewis-myth.html?_r=1&oref=slogin . . . that Europe and Asia are myths, no less than the nation
       Feb 14, 2006 @ 14:55 - jim van dura (jim van dura <jimvandura@...>)
19290. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Europe-Asia Boundary "within" Russian Federation
       true enough jimi for it is all equally silly i agree but what is most real about these nation states & or oblasts etc is their individual states of mind or
       Feb 14, 2006 @ 16:40 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19291. BZGT talks begin... again
       Some resolution to the Belize-Guatemala border dispute may be in the offing. http://tinyurl.com/9hprh Cheers! Doug* * -- Doug Murray Productions/Border Films
       Feb 16, 2006 @ 05:56 - Doug Murray/Border Films (Doug Murray/Border Films <doug@...>)
19292. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BZGT talks begin... again
       & thanx again too an easement & eez gift to guatemala was already mapped out in 2002 http://www.belize.gov.bz/features/proposals/maps.html & didnt & wouldnt
       Feb 16, 2006 @ 14:57 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19293. hot cskomk etc news from vienna
       in brief they all survived round 1 & took a break http://www.zaman.com/?bl=hotnews&alt=&trh=20060221&hn=30016
       Feb 21, 2006 @ 18:52 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19294. Fwd: Unable to deliver your message
       hahaha well it looks like jimi & mmvi have both been canned from borderpoint tho it is unclear yet whether it was for taste or content or behaviour or
       Feb 22, 2006 @ 00:11 - jim van dura (jim van dura <jimvandura@...>)
19295. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fwd: Unable to deliver your message
       Too bad, Mr. Multiple Personalities.... Many people have left Boundary Point for the safe harbour of Border Point for one reason: YOU! There is no reason that
       Feb 22, 2006 @ 04:43 - Doug Murray/Border Films (Doug Murray/Border Films <doug@...>)
19296. able was unable etc
       whats too bad doug or bad at all i dont get it you are welcome to disallow me anywhere anytime indeed be multiple & fructify yourself if you wish & be safe in
       Feb 22, 2006 @ 07:36 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19297. border point
       Please let me know have to join the above group, I am finding the current general output from our group is disappointing ________________________________ From:
       Feb 22, 2006 @ 08:04 - Bill Burke ("Bill Burke" <billb@...>)
19298. point roberts
       http://www.pointrobertschamber.com/border.shtml
       Feb 22, 2006 @ 08:13 - Bill Burke ("Bill Burke" <billb@...>)
19299. Re: [BoundaryPoint] point roberts
       I was particularly pleased to see this because of my strange fascination with enclaves and exclaves. Roger & out.
       Feb 22, 2006 @ 09:38 - Roger McCutcheon ("Roger McCutcheon" <rogerdwmac@...>)
19300. Re: border point
       http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Borderpoint/ Then click on Sign up at the top of the page. A. ... Murray/Border ... Border ... post ...
       Feb 22, 2006 @ 10:08 - Anton Zeilinger ("Anton Zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
19301. Re: point roberts
       ... hey dont go out on us now roger it is just starting to get really interesting here for you are once again clearly talking about & pointing at something
       Feb 22, 2006 @ 14:35 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19302. RE: [BoundaryPoint] border point
       Bill, I agree with your sentiments here - what the hell is going on?! ... _________________________________________________________________ Be the first to
       Feb 22, 2006 @ 17:08 - Barry Arnold ("Barry Arnold" <barry_432@...>)
19303. RE: [BoundaryPoint] border point
       See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_sock_puppet and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll In other words generally anti-social behaviour has been
       Feb 22, 2006 @ 17:19 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
19304. Re: border point
       wow & glad you have returned here hugh especially after promising not to but what makes you think anti i would certainly agree to slightly strange and perhaps
       Feb 22, 2006 @ 19:48 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19305. RE: [BoundaryPoint] border point
       My first suggestion for those people who don t want to read Mike s ramblings is simply to delete them. Should they feel the need to take stronger actions, set
       Feb 22, 2006 @ 20:01 - Asher Samuels (Asher Samuels <asher972@...>)
19306. Re: border point
       hahahahaha thank you my true brother in trying ... to delete them. ... in Microsoft Outlook, or whatever mechanism the mail client of choice needs to block
       Feb 22, 2006 @ 20:12 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19307. new cskomk tripoint could be born not just unmarked but undelineated
       in fresh komk news brussels defers to new york http://www.inf.gov.mk/english/arhiva/prikaz.asp?kategorija_id=1&sodrzina_id=6549 while pristina & skopje dont
       Feb 23, 2006 @ 20:10 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19308. Re: [BoundaryPoint] new cskomk tripoint could be born not just unmarked but undelineated
       The ISO codes KO, KS, and KV are all currently unassigned and unreserved. Montenegro won t be MO, which is assigned to the Macao Special Administrative Region
       Feb 23, 2006 @ 21:53 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19309. Re: [BoundaryPoint] new cskomk tripoint could be born not just unmarked but undelineated
       But Boss, how could you delineate a tripoint anyway? Hahaha! Wouldn t you rather have to depunctate it? Also, since the cee part of CS stands for Crna Gora
       Feb 23, 2006 @ 22:06 - jim van dura (jim van dura <jimvandura@...>)
19310. Re: [BoundaryPoint] new cskomk tripoint could be born not just unmarked but undelineated
       ... From: aletheia kallos To: Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 9:10 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] new
       Feb 23, 2006 @ 22:37 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
19311. Re: [BoundaryPoint] new cskomk tripoint could be born not just unmarked but undelineated
       As soon as any new country name passes muster at the UN, the ISO asks the government of the country what code it wants. After the country responds, the
       Feb 23, 2006 @ 23:55 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19312. Re: new cskomk tripoint could be born not just unmarked but undelineated
       aha & thanx christian for such a strong precedence & preference of ks is really a bit of a show stopper on the try for the objectively true kosovo diglyph or
       Feb 24, 2006 @ 00:35 - jimvandura ("jimvandura" <jimvandura@...>)
19313. Re: new cskomk tripoint could be born not just unmarked but undelineated
       ... not only would she very likely want & undoubtedly get one but she probably couldnt keep cs even if she had wanted to since iso codes from predecessor
       Feb 24, 2006 @ 05:32 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19314. voice of turtle bay is heard in the lands of djeret & eretsd
       just in directly from our dear & historic year in residence mmvi aka duomiliaetsex to many of you who however hasnt yet applied for direct membership at this
       Feb 24, 2006 @ 14:58 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19315. yanks also promoting today a new or rather first actual afpk agreement
       no mention of afirpk or afcnpk or their third parties tho http://www.azadiradio.org/en/news/2006/02/81350A51-7069-4F64-8760-B9E3829BF7D1.ASP nor do i suppose
       Feb 24, 2006 @ 17:19 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19316. Re: voice of turtle bay is heard in the lands of djeret & eretsd
       What does this crap mean?! That s it. I m outta here. See you over at BorderPoint where people make sense and don t reply to comments made by themselves to
       Feb 24, 2006 @ 20:03 - Doug ("Doug" <doug@...>)
19317. Re: voice of turtle bay is heard in the lands of djeret & eretsd
       oh ok doug my apologies if you feel you must leave on my account i guess you would have had to be following this djeret try & cartoon strip right along as well
       Feb 24, 2006 @ 20:58 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19318. turtle has spoken again reconvening djeret try to london next month
       http://www.swisspolitics.org/en/news/index.php?section=int&page=news_inhalt&news_id=6502876 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?
       Feb 24, 2006 @ 21:34 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19319. more details of todays watershed moment in the history of the rule of law
       http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=17611&Cr=ethiopia&Cr1=eritrea http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2006/sc8651.doc.htm ladies & gentlemen i give you
       Feb 24, 2006 @ 22:34 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19320. Re: [BoundaryPoint] turtle has spoken again reconvening djeret try to london next month
       Alright, I know turtles were a lot more talkative when Solomon was writing his song, but what s all this stuff about?! Roger.
       Feb 25, 2006 @ 09:49 - Roger McCutcheon ("Roger McCutcheon" <rogerdwmac@...>)
19321. Re: [BoundaryPoint] turtle has spoken again reconvening djeret try to london next month
       ... hahaha thanx nice observation & nice question this and the several other news items recently & also not so recently offered here under necessarily
       Feb 25, 2006 @ 13:30 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19322. can anyone confirm or bust this sexipoint prospect at worlds end
       text claims 3 towns & 3 district wards & possibly 2 different county council wards as well for it isnt clear what is within what all vaguely converge at
       Feb 25, 2006 @ 19:09 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19323. new game & meditation for equidistance lovers
       highly esthetic & exhilarating exercise of multiconvergency & levitation skills http://www.ferryhalim.com/orisinal/g3/bugs.htm
       Feb 25, 2006 @ 21:51 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19324. Re: Europe-Asia Boundary "within" Russian Federation
       Thanks Mssrs Kallos and Van Dura for your timely assistance to me re. Russia..I have since found other maps that confirm what y all said...I also read the
       Feb 26, 2006 @ 03:47 - raedwulf16 ("raedwulf16" <raedwulf16@...>)
19325. Crimea
       I am told that the Autonomous Republic of Crimea is subdivided for administrative purposes into 14 statoids ... regions etc.I have the names of the
       Feb 26, 2006 @ 04:18 - raedwulf16 ("raedwulf16" <raedwulf16@...>)
19326. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Crimea
       The State Statistics Committee of Ukraine calls the 14 subdivisions of Crimea districts in English. Their boundaries might be those shown in pink on the
       Feb 26, 2006 @ 05:34 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19327. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Europe-Asia Boundary "within" Russian Federation
       hahahahaha hahahahahaha ahhhh many thanxxxx xxxx xxxx xxxx etc yourselves our dear raedwulves foursquarely from jimi & mmvi & me & all our other personalities
       Feb 26, 2006 @ 12:05 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19328. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Crimea
       this question is very likely not nearly so difficult as it may seem since each of your 14 rayons is recognizably named for its largest city aha the guantanamo
       Feb 26, 2006 @ 14:37 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19329. this au2nsqlsa visit pic rates a rare multiple class a
       http://www.confluence.org/photo.php?visitid=3887&pic=2 not just because several people are on point at once but are lit up too actually it looks like someone
       Feb 26, 2006 @ 14:53 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19330. Re: Crimea
       a n d after several additional hours of extreme play i am exceedingly pleased to be able to report back in that i have finally seen the light of your finding
       Feb 26, 2006 @ 22:03 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19331. Re: Crimea
       that link was working nicely for me earlier tho the zoomability is kaputskiy at the moment but if anyone would like to pioneer a complete punctoscopy of the
       Feb 27, 2006 @ 03:26 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19332. Guantanmao not Sevastopol
       If you want an analogy Vladyvostok is much more correct.... Sevastopol is a booming/dirty city much unlike the former
       Feb 27, 2006 @ 08:52 - Toni ("Toni" <amickiewicz@...>)
19333. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Guantanmao not Sevastopol
       welcome toni interesting point & of course most analogies do eventually go pop if overinflated & i would agree guantanamo does indeed seem to have more in
       Feb 27, 2006 @ 13:25 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19334. Re: Guantanmao not Sevastopol
       aha for it has just been pointed out to me that kots are slavic etc tomcats aha for semantic closure as well as for extra silliness if wanted & for added
       Feb 27, 2006 @ 16:32 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19335. could this scruffy tomcat mop on vidal be called katso in quotes
       http://www.cnn.com/STYLE/9802/26/vidal.sassoon/link.vidal.sassoon.jpg & so fairly require a little pomade i would for then everything falls easily & perfectly
       Feb 27, 2006 @ 17:19 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19336. mouse roars refusal to meet eebc in london but yes to direct djeret try
       http://www.shabait.com/staging/publish/article_004629.html http://www.eritreadaily.net/News0206/article0206272.htm
       Feb 27, 2006 @ 22:01 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19337. Fw: [INT-BOUNDARIES] Limits in the Seas
       ... From: robert smith To: INT-BOUNDARIES@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 9:04 AM Subject: [INT-BOUNDARIES] Limits in the Seas To all: as one
       Feb 28, 2006 @ 16:11 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19338. if gitmo & either sevastopol or vladivostok then how not big gib too
       but dear raedwulves & toni or tonis & everyone else of any numerical & or analogical persuasion or persuasions whatsoever we here too have just ventured out on
       Feb 28, 2006 @ 17:22 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19339. Re: [BoundaryPoint] if gitmo & either sevastopol or vladivostok then how not big gib too
       she does rather look like a ratlar bighting herself tho http://www.dotcom.gi/map/wholemap.htm come to mention it ...
       Feb 28, 2006 @ 19:14 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19340. no gibraltar comedian is a sinai democrat larbig on
       or in case ratlar bights dont tickle your isth a professor of painlessness named wolfgang larbig http://www.mp.uni-tuebingen.de/mp/index.php?id=97 & an unknown
       Mar 01, 2006 @ 16:37 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19341. summary of analogic palindromic surrogate multipointing try to date
       so our ballooning imperial forward base analogy hypothesis for thats what i have come to suppose is meant pending further word from its originators raedwulf &
       Mar 01, 2006 @ 20:07 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19342. yikes dark horse breakaway tw & tripoints could yet close fast to win at turtle bay
       surprise long shot could now easily outstrip kosovo & montenegro & gaza & all other oft mentioned independence & new tripoint prospects
       Mar 01, 2006 @ 21:01 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19343. espt road surface
       How pavement can change when crossing the border? Sometimes border is unvisible, but not in this case... ... Kliknij po wiecej!
       Mar 02, 2006 @ 09:55 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@interia.pl>)
19344. Re: [BoundaryPoint] espt road surface
       I was surprised to see the border between Spain and Portugal being so clearly defined, but even more surprised that that information came from Poland!
       Mar 02, 2006 @ 10:37 - Roger McCutcheon ("Roger McCutcheon" <rogerdwmac@...>)
19345. Re: [BoundaryPoint] espt road surface
       well ok guys but pavement changes dont really define a border let alone define it clearly nor do they necessarily nor even usually mark it tho they do
       Mar 02, 2006 @ 15:09 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19346. Re: re cninnpw confirmed blowing in wind but better try made
       & now comes this pointed reminder from india that the legal cninnpw tripoint really isnt in any doubt http://pib.nic.in/release/release.asp?relid=16087 ...
       Mar 02, 2006 @ 15:51 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19347. Re: yikes dark horse breakaway tw & tripoints could yet close fast to win at turtle bay
       admittedly these would only be notional or hypothetical equidistance tripoints at first & presumably all 3 cnjptw jpphtw & cnphtw clockwise from noon would be
       Mar 02, 2006 @ 17:02 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19348. Re: [BoundaryPoint] espt road surface
       Yes, come to BORDERpoint. We d love to have you. ... -- Doug Murray Productions/Border Films sounds+images+words Vancouver, BC Canada Voice: +1.604.728.1407
       Mar 02, 2006 @ 20:55 - Doug Murray/Border Films (Doug Murray/Border Films <doug@...>)
19349. Re: [BoundaryPoint] espt road surface
       ahh thank goodness you are still here doug & still trying to understand for we are delighted to still have you here multipointing with us too ...
       Mar 02, 2006 @ 21:26 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19350. further on this special back to artur roger doug &al via esplpt
       assuming this is understandable which i do & that i may therefore have fairly won your fair attention again i just want to take another opportunity to
       Mar 03, 2006 @ 15:04 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19351. EUROPEAN ENCLAVES INCLUDING BAARLE -BBC TALK
       An interesting talk with a lady from Baarle.
       Mar 03, 2006 @ 15:49 - Bill Burke ("Bill Burke" <billb@lvstc.org.uk>)
19352. european enclaves alternative access
       http://www.bbc.tv/radio4/excessbaggage/index_20040501.shtml
       Mar 03, 2006 @ 16:01 - Bill Burke ("Bill Burke" <billb@...>)
19353. Re: mouse roars refusal to meet eebc in london but yes to direct djeret try
       but now she relents & reconsiders & inquires & may attend after all if she can be sure the try is authentic
       Mar 03, 2006 @ 16:20 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19354. Re: EUROPEAN ENCLAVES INCLUDING BAARLE -BBC TALK
       thanx for thinking of us bill tho i havent been able to catch it in either location did they mention the quadripoint
       Mar 03, 2006 @ 16:30 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19355. RE: {spam?}SA3.0=> [BoundaryPoint] Re: EUROPEAN ENCLAVES INCLUDING BAARLE -BBC TALK
       no but no 19 loveren is mentioned ________________________________ From: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
       Mar 03, 2006 @ 16:36 - Bill Burke ("Bill Burke" <billb@...>)
19356. {spam?}SA3.0=> [BoundaryPoint] Re: EUROPEAN ENCLAVES INCLUDING BAARLE -BBC TALK
       oh ok whats that & why do you like it
       Mar 03, 2006 @ 16:41 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19357. RE: {spam?}SA3.0=> [BoundaryPoint] Re: EUROPEAN ENCLAVES INCLUDING BAARLE -BBC TALK
       House with 2 numbers, dutch a 2, belgian 19, I think, border down thw middle of the entrance. I believe that this has been mention in earlier correpondence
       Mar 03, 2006 @ 16:48 - Bill Burke ("Bill Burke" <billb@...>)
19358. RE: {spam?}SA3.0=> [BoundaryPoint] Re: EUROPEAN ENCLAVES INCLUDING BAARLE -BBC TALK
       http://www.amaliavansolms.org/en/history.html ...
       Mar 03, 2006 @ 16:59 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19359. RE: {spam?}SA3.0=> [BoundaryPoint] Re: EUROPEAN ENCLAVES INCLUDING BAARLE -BBC TALK
       whatttttttttttttttt complete silence after 16 question marks & a timely high noon delivery i believe it was a foursquare quest tho & not really spam as you
       Mar 03, 2006 @ 18:02 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19360. sometime eggzil terminal reported not open nor ready for normal use yet
       new tripoint crossing is still not expected to come fully on line until later this year fresh news report indicates toward end of page 1
       Mar 04, 2006 @ 14:24 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19361. bjneng
       bjneng benin niger nigeria
       Mar 05, 2006 @ 21:19 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19362. mx2cmqryu dispute flares again but crazier than ever
       fresh news report http://www2.eluniversal.com.mx/pls/impreso/web_columnas_sup.detalle?var=29246 dispute was previously discussed tho the tripoint was misnamed
       Mar 06, 2006 @ 14:55 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19363. Re: [BoundaryPoint] mx2cmqryu dispute flares again but crazier than ever
       Thanks for this juicy morsel of news on one of the most complex and baffling boundary situations in North America! I have reviewed your and my old posts on
       Mar 06, 2006 @ 18:57 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19364. Re: more details of todays watershed moment in the history of the rule of law
       notwithstanding some initial ruckus from the mouse to the contrary as also subsequently reported in message 19336 last month & then retracted in 19353 on
       Mar 06, 2006 @ 19:08 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19365. Re: [BoundaryPoint] mx2cmqryu dispute flares again but crazier than ever
       thanx & glad you dig it too but tho your maps arent working for me i dont find the mention of garbutts falls you saw there so surprising this map shows
       Mar 06, 2006 @ 21:12 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19366. Re: [BoundaryPoint] mx2cmqryu dispute flares again but crazier than ever
       The article from EL UNIVERSAL on this state boundary dispute told us that the Mexican Constitution had been amended in December to provide that such disputes
       Mar 07, 2006 @ 04:55 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19367. special to eef & jannis & or any other beneluxuriants
       having just luxuriated once again throughout your entire well known monumental treasury of benl from bedenl to the sea & your similarly comprehensive belu
       Mar 07, 2006 @ 14:42 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19368. Re: [BoundaryPoint] mx2cmqryu dispute flares again but crazier than ever
       In addition to the state boundary disputes in the Yucatán Peninsula, the EL UNIVERSAL article also mentioned existing boundary disputes: (1) between the
       Mar 08, 2006 @ 18:52 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19369. Re: [BoundaryPoint] mx2cmqryu dispute flares again but crazier than ever
       funny as described here only the zacatecas disputes stand a chance of involving another multipoint like cmqryu namely dunaza or janaza i believe if any but i
       Mar 08, 2006 @ 19:43 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19370. Re: [BoundaryPoint] mx2cmqryu dispute flares again but crazier than ever
       But Ingeniero, the Nayarit-Zacatecas state line is so vanishingly short in any case (...indeed I can t find it anywhere) that the likelihood must actually be
       Mar 08, 2006 @ 20:29 - jim van dura (jim van dura <jimvandura@...>)
19371. Re: [BoundaryPoint] mx2cmqryu dispute flares again but crazier than ever
       ahh subcomandante right you are as ever encarta which is the best i can do shows naza to be only about 5 km long & all in what looks like a single geodetic
       Mar 08, 2006 @ 20:54 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19372. Re: [BoundaryPoint] mx2cmqryu dispute flares again but crazier than ever
       I agree. I have maps that show the length of the Nayarit-Zacatecas boundary as short as one apparent quadripoint meeting of geodesics with Durango and Jalisco
       Mar 08, 2006 @ 22:15 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19373. kofi reports & calls again for direct djeret try now
       http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=17737&Cr=eritrea&Cr1=ethiopia __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam?
       Mar 08, 2006 @ 22:20 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19374. de facto transdnistria & breakaway tripoint prospects under challenge
       http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2006/03/09/014.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the
       Mar 08, 2006 @ 22:21 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19375. djeret try is all set to resume tomorrow in london but will mouse attend
       http://www.eitb24.com/portal/eitb24/noticia/en/international-news/meeting-over-border-dispute-eritrea-says-no-need-for-talks-with-e?itemId=D17911&cl=%2Feitb24%
       Mar 09, 2006 @ 13:57 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19376. yesss mouse will attend eebc djeret try restart in london tomorrow
       http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/RWB.NSF/db900SID/ACIO-6MQJC2?OpenDocument __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo!
       Mar 09, 2006 @ 14:47 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19377. original official 1855 chnmtx map etc in mxus review
       http://www.ilw.com/articles/2006,0310-dear.shtm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
       Mar 09, 2006 @ 23:31 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19378. no details yet but eebc & djeret try have reconvened today in london
       a potentially huge event & breakthru http://www.isn.ethz.ch/news/sw/details.cfm?ID=15061 with more news expected by tomorrow
       Mar 10, 2006 @ 13:47 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19379. moscow resisting squeeze by brussels &al from transnistrian quasikaliningrad
       de facto tiraspol regime & its prospective breakaway tripoints may not just fall into dustbin of history without a whimper
       Mar 10, 2006 @ 14:42 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19380. what fun but will they even notice aocdzm bwnazmzw & mzzmzw
       http://www.wheels24.co.za/Wheels24/4x4/0,,1369-1395_1895893,00.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo!
       Mar 10, 2006 @ 15:02 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19381. Re: 2 very different articles about Canadian/US border
       well at least the serious one has bit the dust http://www.caledonianrecord.com/pages/top_news/story/9e2e9849c but the following one is still alive & laughing
       Mar 10, 2006 @ 15:46 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19382. Helen Bray is out of the office.
       I will be out of the office starting 10/03/2006 and will not return until 20/03/2006. If you need urgent assistance, please contact Geraldine Velandria, 1 212
       Mar 11, 2006 @ 03:02 - Helen Bray ("Helen Bray" <bray@...>)
19383. small step toward djeret hailed as major achievement
       http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4798072.stm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
       Mar 12, 2006 @ 00:53 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19384. is boclpe up for review or exactly how will bolivia get out to sea
       fresh news report http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/03/12/wchile12.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/03/12/ixworld.html 1881 map shows bolivia with
       Mar 12, 2006 @ 01:29 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19385. Re: Helen Bray is out of the office.
       ... will not return until ... Geraldine Velandria, 1 212 ... nice going again dear lady & glad to see your outings multiply & indeed grow more frequent
       Mar 12, 2006 @ 14:55 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19386. microstates and independence
       In the current conversations, you may be interested to locate copies of Sir Harry Luke In the margin of history published 1933, reprinted by Books for
       Mar 13, 2006 @ 10:59 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
19387. Re: microstates and independence
       brendan the conversations you must be thinking of arent actually taking place & wouldnt likely be taking place any longer here at boundarypoint indeed nearly
       Mar 13, 2006 @ 17:13 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19388. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: microstates and independence
       And, Brendan, please come to BorderPoint where you re free to discuss anything border related. Not much point discussing anything here as it is quickly shot
       Mar 13, 2006 @ 17:58 - Doug Murray/Border Films (Doug Murray/Border Films <doug@...>)
19389. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: microstates and independence
       yes doug be multiple & fructify now youve got it for thats what multidimensional pursuit of happiness is all about & glad you are still with us for it here too
       Mar 13, 2006 @ 19:09 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19390. kofi & everyone cheers as djeret try advances
       http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/africa/03/13/ethiopia.eritrea.reut/ http://www.eritreadaily.net/News0306/article0306132.htm well we havent heard directly
       Mar 13, 2006 @ 19:16 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19391. Re: kofi & everyone cheers as djeret try advances
       ... whooops but here at length is ethiopia singing a familiar tune & via china yet http://english.people.com.cn/200603/14/eng20060314_250340.html so it remains
       Mar 14, 2006 @ 02:04 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
19392. microstates and such
       ... there s an 8mile gap between the Egyptian border at Taba and the Hejaz border south of Aqaba, but an interesting history of the town is recounted,
       Mar 14, 2006 @ 06:55 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
19393. egiljo & egjosa was Re: [BoundaryPoint] microstates and such
       ... thanx for understanding & if you will click on this cropped pic so as to extend the view to the right side of the frame or in other words a bit farther to
       Mar 14, 2006 @ 15:55 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19394. Re: kofi & everyone cheers as djeret try advances
       more whoops as eritrea reacts http://www.eritreadaily.net/News0306/article0306141.htm
       Mar 14, 2006 @ 16:00 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19395. more fresh djeret try fallout
       http://www.sudantribune.com/article.php3?id_article=14536 http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/africa/03/14/ethiopia.eritrea.reut/
       Mar 14, 2006 @ 17:32 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19396. was bggrtr remonumented & now washed away again too
       & the new tripoint marker if not the entire flood prone tripoint marker island if they really are tripartite & if they survived the previous flood are now
       Mar 14, 2006 @ 17:58 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19397. normally semiannual unmee renewal fakes quarterly & goes monthly
       http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=17795&Cr=UNMEE&Cr1= http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/RWB.NSF/db900SID/HMYT-6MVNPY?OpenDocument
       Mar 14, 2006 @ 20:10 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19398. Re: egiljo & egjosa was Re: [BoundaryPoint] microstates and such
       ... http://www.asergeev.com/pictures/archives/compress/2002/267/08.htm ... http://www.asergeev.com/pictures/archives/compress/2002/267/33.htm ...
       Mar 14, 2006 @ 21:50 - jim van dura (jim van dura <jimvandura@...>)
19399. egiljo & egjosa was Re: [BoundaryPoint] microstates and such
       ... a ... http://www.asergeev.com/pictures/archives/compress/2002/267/08.htm ... egiljo ... http://www.asergeev.com/pictures/archives/compress/2002/267/33.htm
       Mar 15, 2006 @ 17:24 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19400. was hot cskomk etc news from vienna but hotter from london now
       2 more giant steps forward for kosovo & tripoint creation in general & in particular for her new breakaway tripoint of cskomk or csksmk if you prefer for we
       Mar 16, 2006 @ 15:24 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19401. more details emerge of ongoing rejected & rerejected djeret try
       http://www.eritreadaily.net/News0306/article0306162.htm you may recall the mentioned rejected commissioner fulford as the 4star marine general who accompanied
       Mar 16, 2006 @ 19:07 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19402. 10th century tripoint stone that grew a village
       http://www.netconstructors.co.uk/magicalplaces/places/devon/copston.htm map & a bit more info here in both cases toward the bottom
       Mar 17, 2006 @ 20:35 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19403. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 10th century tripoint stone that grew a village
       I am puzzled by the coordinates mentioned: that part of Devon is around 51 North, 4 degrees West.
       Mar 17, 2006 @ 21:31 - Roger McCutcheon ("Roger McCutcheon" <rogerdwmac@...>)
19404. Re: 10th century tripoint stone that grew a village
       ... thanx roger & you are certainly right about the coords so i too am puzzled by not finding any others mentioned anywhere in all this that you might have
       Mar 17, 2006 @ 23:23 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19405. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: 10th century tripoint stone that grew a village
       ... Yes, I too agree with the whole idea of puzzlement, and thank you all many times over for this hearty cosmic joke -- and lets never again think of such a
       Mar 18, 2006 @ 18:27 - jim van dura (jim van dura <jimvandura@...>)
19406. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: 10th century tripoint stone that grew a village
       ... thanx pals & you are a man & a van after my own heart i would only add that i am indeed nuts about both hasc & gwillim because it & he in one swell foop
       Mar 19, 2006 @ 14:25 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19407. report eggzil tripoint crossing is really only egil plus gzil
       1 or 2 scroll clicks down http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/news/world/14137567.htm & palestinians reject it evidently fearing it could replace rather than
       Mar 19, 2006 @ 17:01 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19408. Re: report eggzil tripoint crossing is really only egil plus gzil
       but yikes now comes a new agreement to open eggzil crossing for real tomorrow http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/93-03192006-628856.html so hopefully we
       Mar 19, 2006 @ 22:03 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19409. are shabaa farms just near or actually at the illbsy triline & or tripoint
       recent report from lebanon http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L18730732.htm & more detail here
       Mar 19, 2006 @ 22:52 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19410. our loose yellow rock pinpoint algatn guess is professionally confirmed
       except they missed the trifinial tee diagram we saw chiseled in the rock thru all the paint http://www.profsurv.com/newpsm/archive.php?issue=86&article=1215
       Mar 20, 2006 @ 18:34 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19411. 7000 tons of multidimensional food are crossing eggzil today
       http://www.cjp.org/content_display.html?ArticleID=179306 we still dont know if they will pass directly over the exact tripoint tho or if not then just how
       Mar 22, 2006 @ 15:08 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19412. Re: are shabaa farms just near or actually at the illbsy triline & or tripoint
       nothing definitive yet but according to the seemingly well informed source in post 27 here
       Mar 23, 2006 @ 13:35 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19413. turtle calls for lbsy clarification in shabaa illbsy triarea
       short form http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1139395668297&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull more detail
       Mar 24, 2006 @ 12:57 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19414. lost pic of algatn trifinial tee is back on line
       oops just realized this only known pic was lost in the last yahoo tsunami so here it is again as an email attachment & for the gmane archive too along with a
       Mar 25, 2006 @ 06:18 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19415. cninpk try advances as siachen withdrawal agreement is reported near
       http://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/Display_news.asp?section=World_News&subsection=Pakistan+%26+Sub-Continent&month=March2006&file=World_News2006032671856.xml of
       Mar 26, 2006 @ 05:35 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19416. Re: French territorries
       I confirm to you that Mayotte uses the Euro. Xavier ... id=outremer/decouvrir_outre_mer ... french ... is disputed ... and ... metropolitan ... monument ...
       Mar 31, 2006 @ 01:02 - XML ("XML" <x.maillard@...>)
19417. Re: French territorries
       Yes because all the referendum is a French election, not a European one (for Members of European Parl.) so all the French territories will vote, as they do
       Mar 31, 2006 @ 01:17 - XML ("XML" <x.maillard@...>)
19418. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: French territorries (Outre-Mer)
       It is worth pointing out that the Carribean/Antilles island of Saint-Martin has the only land border between France and the Netherlands! Roger.
       Mar 31, 2006 @ 07:47 - Roger McCutcheon ("Roger McCutcheon" <rogerdwmac@...>)
19419. Fw: A washingtonpost.com article from: rogerdwmac@terra.es
       As a matter of interest, the Spanish town on the border wit Gibraltar is called La Línea de la Concepcíon. Subject: A washingtonpost.com article from:
       Mar 31, 2006 @ 11:05 - Roger McCutcheon ("Roger McCutcheon" <rogerdwmac@...>)
19420. Re: French territorries (Outre-Mer)
       ... yes it is & does thanx & a fittingly redoubled welcome & salute to xavier too for his double barreled sharpshooting since answering any 2 questions well or
       Mar 31, 2006 @ 14:12 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19421. dont count breakaway transnistria tripoints out yet
       fresh report http://www.tass.ru/eng/level2.html?NewsID=5554732&PageNum=0 reference map shows them both
       Mar 31, 2006 @ 14:45 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19422. European Union Regions
       I am trying to research the regions of the EU.However,I seem to be having difficulty finding a complete and authoritative list of them.The best one I have
       Mar 31, 2006 @ 22:59 - raedwulf16 ("raedwulf16" <raedwulf16@...>)
19423. Re: [BoundaryPoint] European Union Regions
       ... i too have seen several conflicting collections & totals of these suggesting there just may not be a single authoritative version & of course you realize
       Apr 01, 2006 @ 01:03 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19424. mouse quietly appears to unlock djeret stalemate
       unmee swan song is joined by another cob http://www.sudantribune.com/article.php3?id_article=14819 tho the article is of course misinformed at the end about
       Apr 01, 2006 @ 14:04 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19425. irish trypointing song immortalizes ie2ldrnwh
       http://www.sheepstealers.com/artman/publish/article_8.shtml zoomable
       Apr 02, 2006 @ 03:46 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19426. fresh tripoint tries are afoot
       you may well have been wondering just what kind of a multipointing society bp really is or even could be now that april fools have arrived in earnest without
       Apr 02, 2006 @ 03:50 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19427. Emailing: 122.jpg: The western end of the French/Spanish border
       This picture is found by Googling Hendaye, which I did to investigate L Île des Faisans which is policed alternately for half of each year by France and
       Apr 02, 2006 @ 22:05 - Roger McCutcheon ("Roger McCutcheon" <rogerdwmac@terra.es>)
19428. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Digest Number 2088
       ... Lest you think no one is trying, I spent Friday, March 31 visiting eight county highpoints in Virginia. Two of those were at tri-county points. One of the
       Apr 02, 2006 @ 22:45 - spookymike@aol.com (spookymike@...)
19429. Re: fresh tripoint tries are afoot
       well everything went more or less as expected & predicted except the reservoir was so low that we could see the stream bed & didnt have to guess very hard
       Apr 02, 2006 @ 22:47 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19430. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Digest Number 2088
       bravos mike & thanx very interesting here is our earlier however improbable clfawa try all in one message co starring lowell if you will follow the thread in
       Apr 02, 2006 @ 23:41 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19431. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Emailing: 122.jpg: The western end of the French/Spanish border
       yes thanx some old friends here too http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/1554 etc & normally the point where a land or river border meets the
       Apr 03, 2006 @ 00:19 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19432. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: fresh tripoint tries are afoot
       ... One minute after I last drank from a rivulet, I discovered a decomposing possum 40 feet upstream in said rivulet. I don t drink from rivulets
       Apr 03, 2006 @ 00:35 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19433. Re: fresh tripoint tries are afoot
       thanx i understand but this one was a particularly delicious multidimensional fount suitable for elves you can be sure the laughing waters of hahali & btw i
       Apr 03, 2006 @ 01:23 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19434. Re: Digest Number 2088
       Mike: Our bootprints definitely overlapped, and that now explains the mysterious vibrations I felt when prowling the area. The Skyline Drive is indeed a
       Apr 03, 2006 @ 11:23 - nj55er ("nj55er" <spookymike@...>)
19435. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Digest Number 2088
       haha nice ones matey & as a natural born nova caesarian i fully appreciate & even revere your aspirations for tricounty point completedness thruout & round
       Apr 03, 2006 @ 18:22 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19436. but yikes is this a ga3bagwhaja quadricounty island
       http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/gwinnett/stories/0403GWXmulberry.html
       Apr 03, 2006 @ 19:11 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19437. When 4 counties converge
       *Please note, the sender s email address has not been verified. apologies for unexpected membership hurdle for quadripoint island which this emailed version
       Apr 03, 2006 @ 19:55 - aletheiak@yahoo.com (aletheiak@...)
19438. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Digest Number 2089
       ... Walkin the walk is ultimately what it s all about. I love doing the mapping and research, but putting a foot on the spot or finding that benchmark that
       Apr 03, 2006 @ 21:18 - spookymike@aol.com (spookymike@...)
19439. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Digest Number 2089
       ... Mike: I have a good buddy who lives in Smyrna, GA. He s primarily a highpointer, but also has got the BP bug. He and I visited Kentucky Corner SW of
       Apr 03, 2006 @ 21:33 - spookymike@aol.com (spookymike@...)
19440. Re: [BoundaryPoint] When 4 counties converge: marching through Georgia.
       According to my Newsweek Atlas, Gwinnett and Jackson counties are not contiguous, but there is a four-pointer at or near Bogart with Jackson, Barrow, Clarke
       Apr 03, 2006 @ 21:54 - Roger McCutcheon ("Roger McCutcheon" <rogerdwmac@...>)
19441. Re: When 4 counties converge: marching through Georgia.
       ... hahaha well roger if you have begun to doubt the infallibility of your newsweek atlas then you must already be doing something extremely right yourself but
       Apr 04, 2006 @ 00:33 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19442. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Digest Number 2089
       ... thanx thats beautiful mike we are all probably more in jack parsells bootprints to be fair & not just because i have been doing most of mine in moccasins &
       Apr 04, 2006 @ 00:42 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19443. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Digest Number 2089
       ... http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/gwinnett/stories/0403GWXmulberry.html ...
       Apr 04, 2006 @ 00:51 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19444. Re: Digest Number 2089
       ... z=17&n=3779871&e=240142&s=25&size=l&datum=nad83& ... aha i seem to have partly figured it out in my dreams you must mean kytnva & the east end of the
       Apr 04, 2006 @ 13:25 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19445. rogers march thru georgia advances
       excuse me roger if i may clean my clocks on this as well as make another try at the topo link in your honor for it wasnt babocloc you discovered but bacljaoc
       Apr 04, 2006 @ 17:45 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19446. Re: [BoundaryPoint] rogers march thru georgia advances
       Thanks Aletheia, but I did not say that Bogart was a county: only that those four counties appeared to be contiguous at or near it, which is just what you are
       Apr 04, 2006 @ 18:05 - Roger McCutcheon ("Roger McCutcheon" <rogerdwmac@...>)
19447. fitful djeret try could resume or die in london april 28th
       http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N04398037.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the
       Apr 04, 2006 @ 18:19 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19448. is pa3albewa also a 4fihahain quadripoint or just a staggered 4fihain
       freakish situation ahead marker & multiple visitation class a http://www.gribblenation.com/swparoads/oct99swpa.html zoomable map illustrating the puzzle
       Apr 04, 2006 @ 21:00 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19449. mystery solved us2pa3albewa4fihainro
       oops just realized it is actually robinson township coming up from the south in washington county with its border running along raccoon creek so there is only
       Apr 04, 2006 @ 21:20 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19450. Re: Kentucky Corner (AKA KY SE)
       So, the identity of state YV is a mystery? That s stone-fingers for TN, as surmised. I have no clue what the other line that runs into KY Corner marker
       Apr 04, 2006 @ 23:56 - spookymike@aol.com (spookymike@...)
19451. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Kentucky Corner (AKA KY SE)
       thanx neat that pretty much answers everything & i am fairly well satisfied now too that the marker you found atop the boulder either dates from or is a later
       Apr 05, 2006 @ 02:05 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19452. nile source try cum rwtzug visit is a puzzling success
       hot news of completion of corrected sawanabori of the nile http://www.itn.co.uk/news/index_2068754.html presumably including a careful rwtzug visit but with a
       Apr 05, 2006 @ 15:09 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19453. Re: [BoundaryPoint] nile source try cum rwtzug visit is a puzzling success
       other reports reaffirm nyungwe forest is right being at the head of the rukarara branch of a tributary of the kagera
       Apr 05, 2006 @ 16:01 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19454. Re: [BoundaryPoint] nile source try cum rwtzug visit is a puzzling success
       & then following my own advice & retracing the nile headstream shown on encarta in the nyungwe forest back down river toward lake victoria i realized the
       Apr 05, 2006 @ 19:29 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19455. is bhcs medjurecje clave connected to montenegro breakaway tripoint
       fresh report of previously unheard of clave http://www.setimes.com/cocoon/setimes/xhtml/en_GB/features/setimes/features/2006/04/05/feature-02 or shouldnt i be
       Apr 05, 2006 @ 21:49 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19456. yikes an exhaustive multipunctoscopy of cambridgeshire
       truly awesome http://www.blanchflower.org/tripoints/index.html be sure to click on everything too __________________________________________________ Do You
       Apr 06, 2006 @ 15:26 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19457. hah mt boardman megapoint was won in 1990 with better stealth
       http://www.climber.org/TripReports/1990/2.html as requested in 2003 & fluffed in 2001 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/12323 etc
       Apr 07, 2006 @ 00:41 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19458. md3cafrhomo the extra sharp sawanabori megapoint
       8th item from top http://www.trainweb.org/oldmainline/oml9.htm but another & frankly more credible source says the quadpoint & headspring are marked by an
       Apr 07, 2006 @ 11:44 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19459. readable 5 day ozark trip to an unreadable mook3demcot marker
       actually it is a bonus lost tripoint just off the more familiar trypointing byway of route 43 that so handily bridges the nearby tristate points we already
       Apr 07, 2006 @ 22:43 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19460. Re: [BoundaryPoint] readable 5 day ozark trip to an unreadable mook3demcot marker
       Interesting. Thanks. KSMOOK and ARMOOK were my second and third state tripoints, long before I even knew that other people were similarly inclined to visit
       Apr 08, 2006 @ 02:05 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19461. Re: [BoundaryPoint] readable 5 day ozark trip to an unreadable mook3demcot marker
       wow nice find http://topozone.com/map.asp?z=15&n=4067404&e=404736&s=50&size=l&datum=nad83&layer=DRG25 & this one too appears to be a centerline arrow splitter
       Apr 08, 2006 @ 02:39 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19462. Re: [BoundaryPoint] readable 5 day ozark trip to an unreadable mook3demcot marker
       Please see my insertions below. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: aletheia kallos To:
       Apr 08, 2006 @ 05:00 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19463. Re: [BoundaryPoint] readable 5 day ozark trip to an unreadable mook3demcot marker
       just discovered this latest makeover & relatively fresh visit to ksmook http://www.bjbsoftware.com/corners/pointdetail.php3?point=46 with unusual & rather
       Apr 08, 2006 @ 13:52 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19464. Re: [BoundaryPoint] readable 5 day ozark trip to an unreadable mook3demcot marker
       Please note on your TopoZone map a hand-written center line symbol (superimposed cL) with an arrow pointing to MO 76 between your red crosshairs and the actual
       Apr 08, 2006 @ 15:11 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19465. Re: readable 5 day ozark trip to an unreadable mook3demcot marker
       nice & likely one i agree from the looks of the drafting as well worth actually going there to examine the paint stripe now i still think we should distinguish
       Apr 08, 2006 @ 16:04 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19466. stunning samdobong kr2cbgbkb triprovincial point is 1 of 3
       & the marker looks to be a more challenging climb than the mountain http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?bicode=130000&biid=2005031896698 shown by a black
       Apr 09, 2006 @ 03:34 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19467. asmara roars yanks in cahoots with addis only fake djeret try again
       in runup to april 28 london eebc showdown
       Apr 10, 2006 @ 17:17 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19468. visitors from 7 countries converge inexplicably upon cfsdtd
       http://www.angolapress-angop.ao/noticia-e.asp?ID=431719 you may recall nonessential visitation of this supposedly unmarked & probably wet central african
       Apr 10, 2006 @ 19:49 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19469. Re: asmara roars yanks in cahoots with addis only fake djeret try again
       aha this must be what she is so exercised about http://news.ft.com/cms/s/fbb2252c-c8f6-11da-b642-0000779e2340.html sounds like not just the yanks but all the
       Apr 11, 2006 @ 14:40 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19470. korean samdobongs continued
       more findings are added below within & following the original report ... than ... http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?bicode=130000&biid=2005031896698
       Apr 11, 2006 @ 21:36 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19471. & the next new world class breakaway tripoints will be
       of course one can never predict anything in the balkans but latest reports suggest the montenegro prospects have regained the lead & the kosovo candidates are
       Apr 13, 2006 @ 13:49 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19472. bigs back djeret try 1 more month calling mayday final deadline
       http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N13208868.htm & come to think of it now the april 28 eebc meeting would be the perfect moment for eritrea to announce
       Apr 13, 2006 @ 16:57 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19473. nm-tx-chih
       howdy folks not posted in a loooong while. a few months back i was fortunate enough to visit the new mexico/texas/chihuahua, mexico tripoint at el paso, tx.
       Apr 17, 2006 @ 04:35 - Victor Cantore (Victor Cantore <drpotatoes@yahoo.com>)
19474. Re: [BoundaryPoint] nm-tx-chih
       nicely done doctor & glad to hear from you anyone not receiving emails can see your pix at http://article.gmane.org/gmane.culture.discuss.boundary-point/8800 &
       Apr 17, 2006 @ 12:30 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19475. asmara audibly rejects final may day deadline
       assails addis & bigs & especially yanks for bogus djeret try as usual http://www.sudantribune.com/article.php3?id_article=15137 but again dont rule out a
       Apr 19, 2006 @ 02:23 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19476. virgin bdinmm reportedly gets access road & official visit
       but no particulars are given of the tripoint itself http://www.newslink.in/2006/04/17/gov-returns-from-longest-state-tour-yet so evidently this is not a very
       Apr 20, 2006 @ 01:39 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19477. the distinguished fr2il3yv4ra5ra6gahesh & a common fr2ceil3elyv rock
       http://perso.wanadoo.fr/st-hilarion/curiosites-05.htm of course the tripoint rock is the little slouching one at upper right & its 3 constituent municipalities
       Apr 20, 2006 @ 20:26 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19478. down under
       http://www.ga.gov.au/education/facts/dimensions/borders.htm
       Apr 20, 2006 @ 21:55 - raedwulf16 ("raedwulf16" <raedwulf16@...>)
19479. Re: [BoundaryPoint] down under
       ... http://www.ga.gov.au/education/facts/dimensions/borders.htm thanx this site has actually been twisting our minds since message 1016 tho the address has
       Apr 21, 2006 @ 04:47 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19480. pol vows to walk caus from virgin aznmso to chnmtx this month
       http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0421borderwalk21-ON.html & may we presume a visit to virgin chnmso will be included too
       Apr 21, 2006 @ 20:06 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19481. Re: [BoundaryPoint] down under
       ... http://www.ga.gov.au/education/facts/dimensions/borders.htm ... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/19329 ...
       Apr 21, 2006 @ 21:27 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19482. cnmnruw is confirmed at the nairamdal peak of tavan bogd
       http://www.conservationink.org/altai1screen.pdf includes a map improvement settling the earlier outstanding question of which of the 5 peaks is the right one
       Apr 22, 2006 @ 03:14 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19483. Biking the border
       I found an interesting article while surfing the web few minutes ago, written by an american national who biked along the border of Holland, around the whole
       Apr 23, 2006 @ 09:12 - Collectors Target ("Collectors Target" <malte.aronsson@...>)
19484. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Biking the border
       welcome malte & thanx nice stuff & i didnt read every word as i was getting a fair dose so could well have missed the answer to my main point of curiosity but
       Apr 23, 2006 @ 17:14 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19485. modern territorial & boundary practices date to roman or earlier times
       & it seems tripoints were even indicated indirectly back then too such as by groups of 3 trees
       Apr 26, 2006 @ 02:02 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19486. first reported tries for internal lithuanian tripoints
       could use some help with the lithuanian political geography & language but this page appears to report a try for the combined kaunas siauliu taurage tricounty
       Apr 26, 2006 @ 15:35 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19487. Re: modern territorial & boundary practices date to roman or earlier times
       but roman tripoints got priority & were quite literally exaggerated by mounds for direct demarcation full trot
       Apr 27, 2006 @ 14:58 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19488. tomorrows djeret try spaced out or blown off for unknown reasons
       http://www.eitb24.com/portal/eitb24/noticia/en/international-news/border-dispute-ethiopia-wants-eritrea-to-accept-negotiations-as-s?itemId=D27806&cl=%2Feitb24%
       Apr 27, 2006 @ 18:34 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19489. ballon d alsace summit is said to be fr2alfclo3hrtbvg
       there are only a couple of dozen top level or regional tripoints in france from among the several scores of departmental or subregional ones & as this map
       May 01, 2006 @ 02:16 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19490. atde2bytrvo
       the pillar at lower left is identified as the binational tristate marker of bavaria with tyrol & vorarlberg
       May 01, 2006 @ 13:00 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19491. still an honorary or free caus pass on the main drag to mbmnon
       http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/anderson.cooper.360/blog/2006/05/border-checkpoint-relies-on-honor.html cursory location of post http://topozone.com/map.asp?
       May 03, 2006 @ 14:22 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19492. aznmso & chnmso virgins ignored by pol trek
       cinco de mayo & evidently nearing the halfway point http://www.pfeffer-for-senate.org/walk_the_line_new.html this supposedly complete mexico new mexico border
       May 05, 2006 @ 16:05 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19493. maxi hiker free at last draws bead on cnmnruw & cnkzru next
       http://www.politicalgateway.com/news/read/11635 projected route http://goliath.mail2web.com/Route/stage7.asp but he may have to repeat the ruus crossing first
       May 07, 2006 @ 01:21 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19494. southernmost major tripoint arcl2aimasc elusive at close range
       this nonpeak but high andean tripoint of the argentinian province of santa cruz with the chilean regions of aisen & magallanes for short is possibly mapped
       May 09, 2006 @ 15:38 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19495. northernmost major tripoint isnt just elusive but evanescent
       if you thought the southernmost major tripoint in the world was hard to find just wait til you see or rather dont see the northernmost one for tho the
       May 11, 2006 @ 03:01 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19496. out looking for us2ctny3duli4amkesh
       seeing the first bright skies in days here on cream hill in west cornwall i am inspired to sally forth today on extra dewy grass for some fresh try & as i
       May 13, 2006 @ 16:01 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19497. Re: out looking for us2ctny3duli4amkesh
       in a nutshell the prize was elusive & i am still recuperating a day later but the full report & retry plan may be of some interest so i will proceed with that
       May 15, 2006 @ 02:15 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19498. Concluding unfinished business
       Although I had not planned further posting to this list there was a small bit of unfinished business (see
       May 15, 2006 @ 08:32 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
19499. Concluding unfinished business - in case you are not subscribed to boundarypoint
       The following is the text of the e-mail I just sent to the boundarypoint list: ============================ Although I had not planned further posting to this
       May 15, 2006 @ 08:34 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
19500. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Concluding unfinished business
       bravos hugh i knew you could get it & am glad you keep returning for improvements too & of course i am especially delighted to see my own remote & lowtech
       May 15, 2006 @ 16:16 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19501. Re: tomorrows djeret try spaced out or blown off for unknown reasons
       the reason ultimately given was that the eebc trymaster sir elihu lauterpacht was indisposed & the meeting was quietly rescheduled to may 17 or day after
       May 15, 2006 @ 16:17 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19502. Re: out looking for us2ctny3duli4amkesh
       Mike: Nice writeup. I entered the coords of the marker you were seeking on the USGS benchmark site (http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/ds_radius.prl) using a
       May 15, 2006 @ 17:03 - spookymike@aol.com (spookymike@...)
19503. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: out looking for us2ctny3duli4amkesh
       many thanxxx mike glad you liked it & am encouraged by your interesting convergence of dates there too i guess the whole neighborhood got a burst of
       May 16, 2006 @ 11:09 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19504. djeret try ultimatums & unmee mandate extended 2 more weeks
       just as i was wondering out loud & posting yesterdays report on this the bigs were wrapping it up in under 2 minutes at turtle bay
       May 16, 2006 @ 11:19 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19505. tricorner knob us2nctn3hasesw volunteered for most remote point
       http://www.wate.com/Global/story.asp?S=1938648 http://topozone.com/map.asp?z=17&n=3952535&e=296039&s=25&size=l&datum=nad83&layer=DRG25 moreover the veggies are
       May 16, 2006 @ 20:27 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19506. us2pa3belesc
       class c pic & visit for starters http://hometown.aol.com/kargardner/myhomepage/atas23.html & class a with resident rattler
       May 17, 2006 @ 03:36 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19507. Need this info!
       Could you let me know the name of the situation of an enclave within an enclave within an enclave in India-Bangladesh? 3 degrees. IMNaanu
       May 17, 2006 @ 11:59 - I M Naanu ("I M Naanu" <imnaanu@...>)
19508. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Need this info!
       hi naanu if you really just want the name & situation i can serve you that much http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/4380
       May 17, 2006 @ 14:52 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19509. todays djeret try reportedly on target in london
       & trash talking continues as high noon approaches http://www.turkishweekly.net/news.php?id=31951 but go sir elihu baby
       May 17, 2006 @ 15:07 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19510. out for retries of amkesh & ctny marker 24
       but actually in reverse order since the latter may be a show stopper especially seeing as i havent yet procured gps anyway have also realized they both might
       May 17, 2006 @ 15:34 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19511. Re: need this info.
       an enclave within an enclave within an enclave I call a counter-counter-enclave. An enclave in an enclave is simply a counter-enclave. Brendan in Germany.
       May 17, 2006 @ 17:22 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <bwhyte@...>)
19512. epic of amkesh book iv no relation to gilgamesh
       so i hit the library to make the topo prints foolishly neglecting to copy the amkesh aerial pic as well & soon pulled in at the farmhouse shown just northwest
       May 18, 2006 @ 04:15 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19513. highly regarded prognosticator declares iraq breakup imminent
       just fyi so far since there is no suggestion of exactly where the fragmentation lines or the new tripoints might actually fall & it is also still anyones guess
       May 18, 2006 @ 04:19 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19514. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: need this info.
       thanx & glad you were able to get back for this question & now that i see your answer i think you have interpreted it correctly while i mistook the actual
       May 18, 2006 @ 05:00 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19515. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: need this info.
       Why not claves (en- or ex-) of the second and third degrees? Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: aletheia kallos To:
       May 18, 2006 @ 14:12 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19516. Re: need this info.
       in fact brendan realizing your clavologists passion for aiding & abetting & improving the lot of enclaved peoples everywhere & being in full sunlight today for
       May 18, 2006 @ 14:13 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19517. Re: Tricorner Knob
       Here s a link to a report of a Tricorner Knob summit ascent: http://www.mountainzone.com/weekendjournal/html/smokies_2.html And an excerpt from the report:
       May 18, 2006 @ 15:15 - spookymike@aol.com (spookymike@...)
19518. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Digest Number 2112
       Mike, if you check the Topozone map, the 1674 spot elevation just northeast along the county line is one of the two candidates for the highest point of Lehigh
       May 18, 2006 @ 15:29 - spookymike@aol.com (spookymike@...)
19519. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Tricorner Knob
       wow thanx & much happier to have such telling confirmation of my surmise & to make that 1 known report now but yikes they seem to believe the tricorner only a
       May 18, 2006 @ 15:53 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19520. Re: Digest Number 2112
       well i dont think a miss is really embarrassing even when i am intending a hit but only empowering of more & better deliciousness & still more gratifying
       May 18, 2006 @ 17:10 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19521. german customs\borders film TOMORROW FRI 19!!
       Those of you in Germany may like to watch WDR III, on Friday 19 May, probably at 20:15 to see a film called Die Strundige Grenye, about the German customs
       May 18, 2006 @ 18:59 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <bwhyte@...>)
19522. Re: german customs\borders film TOMORROW FRI 19!!
       what does that symbolic multiple iii or lll stand for
       May 18, 2006 @ 19:15 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19523. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: german customs\borders film TOMORROW FRI 19!!
       3 ... From: aletheiak To: Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 9:15 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: german
       May 18, 2006 @ 19:32 - Chris Schulz ("Chris Schulz" <wertkauf@...>)
19524. a resounding but unexplained oops at todays djeret try in london
       http://www.sudantribune.com/article.php3?id_article=15737 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the
       May 18, 2006 @ 19:39 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19525. Re: german customs\borders film TOMORROW FRI 19!!
       hi good so does that mean 3 as in this is the third program in the series or that this is the 3rd incarnation of the wdr or does wdr not in fact refer to the
       May 18, 2006 @ 19:53 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19526. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: german customs\borders film TOMORROW FRI 19!!
       Hi Michael, we in Germany have Public Television. Every land like bavaria or hesse has its own station. They all cooperate and build the
       May 18, 2006 @ 20:23 - Chris Schulz ("Chris Schulz" <wertkauf@...>)
19527. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: german customs\borders film TOMORROW FRI 19!!
       oh ok thanx chris very nice tv stations & even programs with territory & multipoints in this case de2heninw & henwrp & for the latter at least we are able to
       May 18, 2006 @ 20:59 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19528. de2heninw in fairyland yet
       thanx to the recent thread begun by brendan & explained by chris i was inspired to pursue the virgin heninw myself last night as far as bad karlshafen in the
       May 19, 2006 @ 13:17 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19529. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: german customs\borders film TOMORROW FRI 19!!
       It is simply the TV channel - http://www.wdr.de/tv/ - nothing more complex ... _________________________________________________________________ Are you using
       May 20, 2006 @ 06:39 - Barry Arnold ("Barry Arnold" <barry_432@...>)
19530. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: german customs\borders film TOMORROW FRI 19!!
       ahh but a tv channel with tripoints attached that is worthy of our watching here at bp mute button optional ...
       May 20, 2006 @ 10:39 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19531. djeret try & rule of law are reportedly kaput in london
       as scene shifts again to turtle bay for half measured makeover http://www.sudantribune.com/article.php3?id_article=15770
       May 20, 2006 @ 11:53 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19532. customs museum
       I visited the Zoll Museum outside AAchen today; they have a boundary pillar from the temporary border the Dutch advanced into Germany from 1949 unitl the mid
       May 21, 2006 @ 18:07 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <bwhyte@...>)
19533. breakaway montenegro tripoints are looking like the winners
       margin of victory if any is razor thin tho in race to turtle bay & official result of photo finish wont be known til morning
       May 21, 2006 @ 22:35 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19534. re customs museum
       ... have a boundary pillar from the ... from 1949 unitl the mid 1950s; ... in Hamburg. ... well youve stumped us good this time doctor for the multipointing
       May 22, 2006 @ 20:02 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19535. montenegro independent in 2 wks should reach turtle bay in 4 mos
       http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1103AP_Montenegro_Whats_Next.html it aint over til its over but her 2 new tripoints as previously identified & detailed
       May 22, 2006 @ 20:03 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19536. oops world class status for montenegro tripoints not yet a done deal
       & with kosovo thus encouraged some major powers fear runaway secessionism worldwide
       May 23, 2006 @ 12:32 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19537. mouse roars class e unthinkable as yanks & bigs fluff djeret try
       http://www.bakutoday.net/view.php?d=21397 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
       May 24, 2006 @ 21:19 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19539. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Human-buttons
       welcome sam & miles of smiles & thanx great idea of course politically we here at bp are very well & carefully balanced & indeed effectively neutral or rather
       May 26, 2006 @ 00:39 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19540. State GIS links
       This post below from the comp.infosystems.gis group looks to be of interest here. Cheers, Ron McConnell I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I
       May 27, 2006 @ 13:17 - Ronald C. McConnell ("Ronald C. McConnell" <rcmcc@...>)
19541. Re: [BoundaryPoint] State GIS links
       well the blog was of interest here on cream hill at least doc as i am rather fond of the animaniacs & was glad to sample the cadastral sources too just to see
       May 28, 2006 @ 00:09 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19542. improbably djeret try may be both suspended & downsized at once
       some new jockeying for position is evident & all parties appear willing & ready to cooperate but for the others
       May 28, 2006 @ 02:36 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19543. Re: ellicott mound prospects in louisiana was bp msgs 18443ff
       hi robert & thanx glad you are onto us & our quest & to learn of these potential resources which quite a few of us would love to see if you should find them
       May 28, 2006 @ 14:51 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19544. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ellicott mound prospects in louisiana was bp msgs 18443ff
       As the resident Louisiana resident here, I ll second the notion. If we can get enough information, I will go over there to LAMS and bring us back some photos.
       May 28, 2006 @ 18:31 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19545. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ellicott mound prospects in louisiana was bp msgs 18443ff
       well lowell since this adventure was already proposed & begun by you in 18444ff & cheered & abetted by me in 18447ff i dont know what i can add to it now while
       May 28, 2006 @ 22:05 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19546. oops ellicott mound location program a closely guarded secret
       also just in from robert register You should also know that Greg guards his Ellicott Mound GPS Location Program like it was the Family Jewels. There s a lot
       May 28, 2006 @ 23:03 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19547. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ellicott mound prospects in louisiana was bp msgs 18443ff
       Thanks, Mike, for the Ellicott article. My message this afternoon was to cheer Robert on in his efforts to get us what he has on Ellicott s mounds along LAMS.
       May 29, 2006 @ 00:21 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19548. Fwd: A Suggestion Concerning Pitching This Project
       Note: forwarded message attached. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection
       May 29, 2006 @ 00:37 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19549. ellicott mound multipointing continued & hyperextended
       well seconding your own seconding i should say & nice to see how one of our favorite spinoff sites has fructified too & yes my reference to 18443ff definitely
       May 29, 2006 @ 15:25 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19550. preliminary punctoscopy of austria
       the 9 states of austria produce only 5 internal tristate points of which styria figures in all but 1 reference map
       May 29, 2006 @ 23:22 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19551. Re: ellicott mound prospects in louisiana
       robert we have trolled the vast internet for any trace of these doings as youve described them below & came up empty on first pass at least & have no idea what
       May 30, 2006 @ 13:54 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19552. eu paralyzed near vienna at brink of world class
       so dont begin devaluing your european tricountry points into mere tristate or tristatoid points just yet
       May 30, 2006 @ 15:39 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19553. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ellicott mound prospects in louisiana
       Let s see what Robert can produce; but if he doesn t, then I am prepared to pursue the purported report on Ellicott s mounds from the State Land Office in
       May 30, 2006 @ 16:10 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19554. sudan condo tripoints remain unratified & primed for breakaway
       http://www.irinnews.org/report.asp?ReportID=53607&SelectRegion=East_Africa&SelectCountry=SUDAN & smacking of another eret just looking for a place to happen
       May 30, 2006 @ 16:13 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19555. djeret try reportedly set to resume in london june 17th
       as yanks urge peacekeeping cuts in purported push for demarcation http://www.sudantribune.com/article.php3?id_article=15939 & since the latest unmee mandate
       May 31, 2006 @ 12:36 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19556. on the way to caspian azirkzrutm multipoints & or condo if any
       fresh great game update with analysis http://www.pinr.com/report.php?ac=view_report&report_id=499&language_id=1
       May 31, 2006 @ 13:50 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19557. Reuters.com - US tightens security on New England-Canada border - Wed May 31, 2006 02:09 PM ET
       Roger McCutcheon (rogerdwmac@terra.es) has sent you this article. Personal message: A sad reflection! Reuters.com - US tightens security on New England-Canada
       May 31, 2006 @ 19:44 - rogerdwmac@terra.es (rogerdwmac@...)
19558. Re: Reuters.com - US tightens security on New England-Canada border - Wed May 31, 2006 02:09 PM ET
       but cheer up doc as this doesnt concern us here anyway bp is for boundary points of a tristate or multipoint nature & anyone happy go lucky enough to be
       May 31, 2006 @ 20:06 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19559. working late bigs compromise on new mandate for djeret try
       unmee force & term cuts are decided unanimously at eleventh hour http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/RWB.NSF/db900SID/KHII-6QC2ZP?OpenDocument but leading goldbricker
       Jun 01, 2006 @ 03:29 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19560. 2 or 3 more semiclave border crosses found in switzerland a la jungholz
       but with a difference since each of these cantonal proruptions is pinched by 2 other cantons rather than 1 other country indeed the confirmed pair are b o t h
       Jun 02, 2006 @ 15:56 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19561. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 2 or 3 more semiclave border crosses found in switzerland a la jungholz
       Mike, You really should check my page out. I have had the two boundary crosses on my website for the last three years. Arif
       Jun 02, 2006 @ 17:23 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
19562. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 2 or 3 more semiclave border crosses found in switzerland a la jungholz
       thanx i will which page ... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
       Jun 02, 2006 @ 18:38 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19563. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 2 or 3 more semiclave border crosses found in switzerland a la jungholz
       ...and here the scans of those points: http://tinyurl.com/n6nj7 http://tinyurl.com/nsjog (part of www.enklave.de.vu) Chris ... From: Arif Samad
       Jun 02, 2006 @ 18:52 - Chris Schulz ("Chris Schulz" <wertkauf@...>)
19564. Re: 2 or 3 more semiclave border crosses found in switzerland a la jungholz
       thanxx much better too & explains why i was enjoying so much dejavu in these supposed discoveries & arifs fine page just rediscovered in new format is
       Jun 02, 2006 @ 19:52 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19565. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: 2 or 3 more semiclave border crosses found in switzerland a la jungholz
       Okay, so we need a site of my project, you can find all the enclaves inside switzerland at http://home.pages.at/maxifant/Frames/schweiz.htm and a map of
       Jun 02, 2006 @ 21:28 - Chris Schulz ("Chris Schulz" <wertkauf@...>)
19566. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: 2 or 3 more semiclave border crosses found in switzerland a la jungholz
       ahh beautiful in more ways than one so do you believe you have the full punctoscopy & clavoscopy there i dont believe i can add a thing to your collection at
       Jun 02, 2006 @ 22:41 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19567. Google Earth/Maps at Borderbase
       I have added support for Google Earth and Google Maps for all international tripoints at Borderbase. On the index page is also a download for all tripoints at
       Jun 03, 2006 @ 09:32 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@...>)
19568. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Google Earth/Maps at Borderbase
       very tastefully done maestro zeroing in by spacing out i will be interested to see all the improvements this adds but in the meantime can you or anyone suggest
       Jun 03, 2006 @ 14:07 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19569. yanks feign disappointment & frustration at their own fluffed djeret try
       adopting all the ethiopian excuses verbatim now voa report calls for normalizing political relations before demarcation as if that were the only reasonable
       Jun 03, 2006 @ 14:20 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19570. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Google Earth/Maps at Borderbase
       Not sure if Google Earth (http://earth.google.com) runs on a mac. AFCNPK may be somewhere in the background, certainly not the monument. Jesper -- Borderbase -
       Jun 03, 2006 @ 23:55 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@...>)
19571. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] Google Earth/Maps at Borderbase
       ok & thanx for the guidance but as i have observed before since we know afcnpk is a mountain peak tripoint from both your topo there & more pointedly page 3 of
       Jun 04, 2006 @ 02:02 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19572. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] Google Earth/Maps at Borderbase
       & let me repeat & clarify the offer & or suggestion of the input youve requested for borderbase is after all the worlds grandest & most savory multipointing
       Jun 04, 2006 @ 14:03 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19573. Re: breakaway montenegro tripoints are looking like the winners
       but the race to turtle bay cant actually be won until the general assembly reconvenes in the fall & tho no other contenders have emerged from the pack or seem
       Jun 04, 2006 @ 14:42 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19574. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: breakaway montenegro tripoints are looking like the winners
       Putin can decry separatist territorial pretenses all he wishes (as well he probably should from his point of view), but the independence of Montenegro is
       Jun 04, 2006 @ 20:19 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19575. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: breakaway montenegro tripoints are looking like the winners
       thanx all good points which further inform & hedge my handicapping assessment that practically anything could still happen on the way to turtle bay & of course
       Jun 04, 2006 @ 23:37 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19576. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: breakaway montenegro tripoints are looking like the winners
       Those are all good points. However, you gave odds on a race to Turtle Bay. That is the only reason that I discussed the rebalkanization of the Balkans in such
       Jun 05, 2006 @ 03:00 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19577. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: breakaway montenegro tripoints are looking like the winners
       yes indeed & without implying that i disagree either but as i too have already observed in many ways defining membership in the world class as nothing more nor
       Jun 05, 2006 @ 13:59 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19578. seoul floats expansive new jpkpkr position
       http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/200606/kt2006060517254810160.htm & i can understand how there could be a blue & a red & a green line in the above map & that
       Jun 05, 2006 @ 15:49 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19579. breakaway somaliland tripoints gaining in race to turtle bay
       http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/06/05/news/somali.php & note especially last few paragraphs http://mathaba.net/0_index.shtml?x=538081 & note last paragraph
       Jun 06, 2006 @ 01:35 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19580. Serbia does it too!
       Fox News Channel has just showed video of a ceremony today in Belgrade in which the Serbia and Montenegro flag was lowered for the last time and the Serbian
       Jun 06, 2006 @ 20:45 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19581. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Serbia does it too!
       ok so new iso digraph guesses anyone how about sp or ss for serbia & me for montenegro & will these have to wait for september in turtle bay too somaliland has
       Jun 06, 2006 @ 21:59 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19582. Re: Serbia does it too!
       oops me is already reserved for western sahara
       Jun 06, 2006 @ 22:08 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19583. eggzil update
       http://www.metimes.com/articles/normal.php?StoryID=20060606-030310-5052r in which the striking phrase at the point where israels border meets those of egypt &
       Jun 07, 2006 @ 00:59 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19584. SV: [BoundaryPoint] eggzil update
       aka egilps http://www.iso.org/iso/en/prods-services/iso3166ma/02iso-3166-code-lists/lis t-en1.html#lr -- Borderbase - your online guide to international
       Jun 07, 2006 @ 05:20 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@...>)
19585. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] eggzil update
       yes thanx eggzil & egilps are perhaps equally odd & premature & pretentious & tho egil2gzhdss may be a technically better name for this tripoint as explained
       Jun 07, 2006 @ 13:37 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19586. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] eggzil update
       And the voice of the Turtle(Bay) is heard in our land.... ! Not only is eggzil more mnemonic than egil2gzhdss , it s also a whole lot easier to say!
       Jun 07, 2006 @ 13:53 - Roger McCutcheon ("Roger McCutcheon" <rogerdwmac@...>)
19587. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] eggzil update
       haha good point roger one could hardly even imagine saying egil2gzhdss eagle to gas heads come in gas heads another advantage of eggzil tho was suggested here
       Jun 07, 2006 @ 15:29 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19588. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] eggzil update
       Thanks Aletheia: très drôle, and I appreciate the neat segue into over easy! Eggzaktly right! Roger & out.
       Jun 07, 2006 @ 17:58 - Roger McCutcheon ("Roger McCutcheon" <rogerdwmac@...>)
19589. an apparent nose2janontvb binational quadripoint
       http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/mapcenter/map.aspx?TextLatitude=65.12293718827908&TextLongitude=14.335205399293429&TextAltitude=10&TextSelectedEntity=34
       Jun 08, 2006 @ 18:39 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19590. rounding out the preliminary punctoscopy of south africa
       reference map http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/africa/south_africa_pol_2005.jpg all we knew for sure about the 5 south african tricountry points namely bwnaza
       Jun 09, 2006 @ 17:59 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19591. BYRUUA?
       UA: http://www.flickr.com/photos/captain-k/22574738/ BY: http://www.flickr.com/photos/captain-k/22574739/in/photostream/ RU:
       Jun 09, 2006 @ 20:26 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@...>)
19592. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BYRUUA?
       well they are undoubtedly authentic pix of the greater byruua triarea most probably within a very few hundred meters of ground zero so it is curious that these
       Jun 09, 2006 @ 23:05 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19593. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ellicott mound prospects in louisiana
       ... I m sending my inquiry to Baton Rouge. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA
       Jun 10, 2006 @ 11:56 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19594. golito try afoot & ahead
       in honor of the world cup i am off to try for a golito specifically the us2ct3li4golito trimunicipal point where the connecticut towns of goshen & litchfield
       Jun 10, 2006 @ 16:14 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19595. golito was indeed too easy but i made the most of it
       the 2 legged omens were spectacular first a pheasant soon followed by turkeys then a great blue heron & a pair of geese with 6 goslings all very near or
       Jun 10, 2006 @ 22:36 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19596. breakaway tripoint prospects advance as somaliland is saluted in mogadishu
       last 2 paragraphs here http://www.afrol.com/articles/19824 but the whole interview isnt bad either as peace breaks out with seemingly good chances for local
       Jun 11, 2006 @ 16:25 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19597. Do you want earn 5,000 Dollars earning per weak???
       Do you want earn 5,000 Dollars earning per weak??? From the online hyip, investment, and other money making programs. Then be more cautious before you invest
       Jun 12, 2006 @ 14:03 - Eric Yepao (Eric Yepao <eric_yepao44@...>)
19598. Did you like to Earn Upto Million dollars from hyip programs?
       Did you like to Earn Upto Million dollars from hyip programs? Is it possible to do it? but it’s up to the professional programmers or good business making
       Jun 12, 2006 @ 19:40 - Eric Yepao (Eric Yepao <eric_yepao44@...>)
19599. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Do you want earn 5,000 Dollars earning per weak???
       welcome aj & or eric actually we are here at boundarypoint just for the fun of the multipointing tries as our group description also explains
       Jun 12, 2006 @ 17:28 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19600. re byruua
       & if you allow for the fact that the russian road must have been modernized & straightened fairly recently & also for the fact that this sloppily registered
       Jun 13, 2006 @ 03:20 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19601. re was bggrtr remonumented & now washed away again too
       the following excerpt from http://www.byegm.gov.tr/YAYINLARIMIZ/newspot/2005/may-jun/n15.htm which is dated last spring reveals that the new bggrtr marker if
       Jun 13, 2006 @ 05:18 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19602. welcome to Oz (& NZ)
       just got back from down under and snapped a few shots of interest. First one is going into the Bay of Plenty region from Waikato in New Zealand. Their regions
       Jun 13, 2006 @ 04:55 - Victor Cantore (Victor Cantore <drpotatoes@yahoo.com>)
19603. Re: [BoundaryPoint] welcome to Oz (& NZ)
       good work then victor & a nice play as well indeed our first actual try from new zealand here is a brief summary of the subdivisional mess they have there
       Jun 13, 2006 @ 14:09 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19604. nz2bpgihb aka maungapohatu try continued
       actually it turns out maungapohatu is a named summit point after all which accordingly must stand out from the ridge line in the pix & which is clearly
       Jun 14, 2006 @ 02:44 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19605. far out cnkgkz try
       spotted in the morning news http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2006-06/14/content_4695909.htm the general locality for the mentioned mt tomur on cnkg aka pobeda
       Jun 14, 2006 @ 16:33 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19606. djeret retry slated for tomorrow but attendance is uncertain
       http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/RWB.NSF/db900SID/ABES-6QRPVU?OpenDocument __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo!
       Jun 14, 2006 @ 19:47 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19607. djeret try at the hague fluffs out again into mutual calls of perfidy
       with no resumption in sight http://www.irinnews.org/report.asp?ReportID=53960&SelectRegion=Horn_of_Africa&SelectCountry=ETHIOPIA-ERITREA
       Jun 15, 2006 @ 15:47 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19608. acknowledging djeret try is in crisis eebc makes call to bullpen
       http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/5084252.stm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
       Jun 15, 2006 @ 19:47 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19609. soviet topos of the 6 prospective cnin tripoints
       some are a bit challenging to spot & all are of course still subject to dispute proceeding from east to west cninmm
       Jun 16, 2006 @ 01:49 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19610. struggle for punt could precipitate question of somaliland breakaway tripoint
       if not a breakaway punt tripoint also & indeed first http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/africa/06/16/somalia.islamists.reut/
       Jun 16, 2006 @ 13:01 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19611. punt secession tripoint becoming a real issue too
       more details from puntland http://somalinet.com/news/world/English/2903 reference map http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/africa/somalia_pol02.jpg puntland
       Jun 16, 2006 @ 13:30 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19612. around the horn triple play yesss as yanks are called for fluffing djeret try
       http://za.today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2006-06-16T131837Z_01_ALL647862_RTRIDST_0_OZATP-ERITREA-ETHIOPIA-20060616.XML
       Jun 16, 2006 @ 14:24 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19613. Re: [BoundaryPoint] around the horn triple play yesss as yanks are called for fluffing djeret try
       What s this about djeret, Boss? Don t you mean D. Jeter? --Djimi
       Jun 16, 2006 @ 22:59 - jim van dura (jim van dura <jimvandura@...>)
19614. breakaway somaliland tripoint prospects advance with yank promotion
       http://www.voanews.com/english/Africa/2006-06-16-voa37.cfm background but probably more than you really wanted to know
       Jun 17, 2006 @ 14:27 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19615. does this mean bwnazmzw bridge is finally funded or still begging
       http://www.gov.bw/cgi-bin/news.cgi?d=20060616&i=Govt_sets_aside_P34m_for_Kazungula_Bridge __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?
       Jun 17, 2006 @ 22:22 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19616. Re: [BoundaryPoint] does this mean bwnazmzw bridge is finally funded or still begging
       If the bridge structure is supposed to cost P410.9m, and the border control facilities are supposed to cost P178.5m, then the government appropriation of P34m
       Jun 17, 2006 @ 23:30 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19617. Re: does this mean bwnazmzw bridge is finally funded or still begging
       yes i agree it doesnt make much sense in this form & suspect an even more garbled transmission than is already apparent from the obvious typos etc but we have
       Jun 18, 2006 @ 02:28 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19618. new somali tripoints on hold for duration of world cup at least
       & thank goodness they are still watching there contrary to earlier reports http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/19/world/africa/19somalia.html?th&emc=th & this
       Jun 19, 2006 @ 14:27 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19619. fresh trypointing developments on the horn
       some fascinating connections between the djeret & breakaway tries
       Jun 20, 2006 @ 18:59 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19620. "Island" between France and Germany
       Hi everyone, A few years ago I read about a sandy bank (not exactly a island but rather a small isle that only appears at low water) located in the middle of
       Jun 20, 2006 @ 20:27 - XML ("XML" <x.maillard@...>)
19621. Re: [BoundaryPoint] "Island" between France and Germany
       I don t know about this particular spot, but if you look up Scheibenhard or Lauterbourg you ll be in that general area! Roger & out.
       Jun 20, 2006 @ 20:50 - Roger McCutcheon ("Roger McCutcheon" <rogerdwmac@...>)
19622. Re: [BoundaryPoint] "Island" between France and Germany
       hi xavier disappearing islands are quite common so even assuming this one is on defr & indeed even in the lauter exactly as you suppose still unless you can
       Jun 20, 2006 @ 23:21 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19623. another prospective binational quadrisecondary point or 2
       the better looking one is arbo2jyposatr by name if true where the argentinian provinces of jujuy & salta appear to meet the bolivian departments of potosi &
       Jun 21, 2006 @ 22:41 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19624. elusive ghost triparish point appears to be in cemetery
       no mention of a marker nor any clear indication of where the exact tripoint lies or lay but here is a good read on it
       Jun 22, 2006 @ 14:55 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19625. azkzru found very near the middle of the caspian sea
       news item number 22 here filed in late 2004 http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/epic/internet/inimr-ri.nsf/en/gr122221e.html pinpoints the azerbaijan kazakhstan russia
       Jun 23, 2006 @ 12:01 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19626. bobrpy still only wishful thinking but maybe getting closer
       presumptive class e photo & general impression of the neighborhood http://www.derekhudson.com/pho/par/p_par/par19.htm but could still be as much as 5 or 10 km
       Jun 24, 2006 @ 13:18 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19627. us2ut3damosa aka modasa
       double class a pic http://img.geocaching.com/cache/77192_600.jpg from http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?wp=GCGC40 view to the east from the
       Jun 25, 2006 @ 13:10 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19628. laorospo aka bp ground zero designated the american dream
       yikes http://www.floridatravelgroup.com/locations.htm & it may just be a realtor waxing typically poetic here but a bp search on the mentioned laorospo
       Jun 26, 2006 @ 01:20 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19629. does this mean anything about the 6 cnin tripoints
       for 8 rounds now of the latest series of cnin border talks following 2 equally inconclusive series of 8 & 14 rounds before them & so in fact 30 rounds & 40
       Jun 26, 2006 @ 20:21 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19630. bwnazmzw bridge delay is again attributed to border dispute
       public blurb of restricted article by african news dimension Zim, Botswana and Zambia in border dispute 20 June 2006 (Tuesday) 12:25 An ambitious regional
       Jun 28, 2006 @ 21:54 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19631. breakaway montenegro tripoints win race to turtle bay
       http://www.upi.com/InternationalIntelligence/view.php?StoryID=20060628-062201-1489r http://english.ohmynews.com/ArticleView/article_view.asp?no=301917&rel_no=1
       Jun 30, 2006 @ 04:38 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19632. us2tn3vawawh barely class d or e
       http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnvanbur/1crouch.html tennessee counties map http://www.hometownlocator.com/StateMap.cfm?StateCode=TN detail map
       Jul 01, 2006 @ 16:58 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19633. class c pix of ee2plvgvr most likely
       http://img.geocaching.com/cache/40081_400.jpg http://img.geocaching.com/cache/40081_500.jpg from http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=40081 but
       Jul 02, 2006 @ 16:06 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19634. Re: "Island" between France and Germany
       Hi ... Well, obviously. Some local people in that area - yet which area is the question - made fun of it so I was interested in finding where it was. ... Sure.
       Jul 02, 2006 @ 21:44 - XML ("XML" <x.maillard@...>)
19635. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: "Island" between France and Germany
       ... yes great point thanx it appears to have been a major tripoint since 1815 & even what could be called a tricountry point until 1870 or 1871 unless i am
       Jul 03, 2006 @ 02:46 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19636. more qualifications about easternmost france
       the following recent comments may indeed have been too free & thus may need to be corrected or at least hedged a bit which i have tried to do just beneath them
       Jul 03, 2006 @ 11:06 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19637. Re: [BoundaryPoint] more qualifications about easternmost france
       but regardless of whether or how the nationality of the matthew & hunter group is ever finally resolved there does appear to be one more island east of the
       Jul 03, 2006 @ 17:25 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19638. easternmost france one last time
       ok xavier i believe i can finally settle the intriguing & difficult question of absolute extremest fre the easternmost point of france it is indeed in active
       Jul 04, 2006 @ 16:01 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19639. No eggzil border dance
       One of my co-workers just finished up a week of reserve duty at Kerem Shalom with the IDF liason unit. I asked him about the corssing, and he explained that,
       Jul 05, 2006 @ 07:26 - Asher Samuels ("Asher Samuels" <asher972@...>)
19640. Re: [BoundaryPoint] No eggzil border dance
       bravo in this case it is an honor to just know someone who knows someone who has been there next time you see him would you ask for his impression of the
       Jul 05, 2006 @ 15:15 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19641. us2mi3muneoc very probably class d
       in this southward facing highway scene http://www.gribblenation.net/michigan/photos/shields/ds-m120sb_b86_m82eb.jpg look for the pair of red blinkers that are
       Jul 05, 2006 @ 16:13 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19642. China - North Korea and Russia Tripoint
       Hello, I have found with interest (on Google earth) the North Korea, Russia and China tripoint - one that I would imagine is rather difficult to visit! Here
       Jul 05, 2006 @ 21:22 - benofford ("benofford" <benofford@...>)
19643. Re: China - North Korea and Russia Tripoint
       I left out the link to the rail bridge pic. Here it is; http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/photos/view/fa19?b=3 ... Russia ... to ... that ... see
       Jul 05, 2006 @ 21:27 - benofford ("benofford" <benofford@...>)
19644. SV: [BoundaryPoint] China - North Korea and Russia Tripoint
       http://nicolette.dk/borderbase/tripoint.php?c1=30
       Jul 05, 2006 @ 21:25 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@...>)
19645. Re: [BoundaryPoint] China - North Korea and Russia Tripoint
       welcome ben we havent been there yet but have collected quite a few pix & maps of the area & markers & even this probably legal description of the trijunction
       Jul 05, 2006 @ 23:31 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19646. correction Re: [BoundaryPoint] China - North Korea and Russia Tripoint
       whooops my sydlexia is evidently acting up again for i have just realized i got the condominium exactly reversed & the triline along with it what i meant &
       Jul 06, 2006 @ 02:28 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19647. correction Re: [BoundaryPoint] China - North Korea and Russia Tripoint
       Thanks for that! I have managed to get the map and Google aligned so I have a better understanding of what is where! I believe there is a train from
       Jul 06, 2006 @ 17:57 - benofford ("benofford" <benofford@...>)
19648. another correction Re: [BoundaryPoint] China - North Korea and Russia Tripoint
       ... thanx for understanding it does appear to be the only kpru railway as well as the only kpru bridge & i believe kim likes to sneak into russia this way
       Jul 06, 2006 @ 19:55 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19649. stone of divisions at ei2colemuul a first century quadripoint
       actually a prehistoric thru 5th or 6th century quadripoint but described as such by ptolemy in 82ad http://www.philipcoppens.com/uisneach.html
       Jul 07, 2006 @ 03:11 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19650. horn tripoint tries remain in high suspense & ramify
       as djeret try stalemate impacts on fluid somali breakaway tripoint tries http://www.pinr.com/report.php?ac=view_report&report_id=522&language_id=1 note how
       Jul 07, 2006 @ 11:18 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19651. formerly dcw but now only us2va3arfafcw class d
       last pic here http://www.howderfamily.com/travel/dc-1.html shows the marker of the more westerly of the 2 tripoints formed by arlington & fairfax counties with
       Jul 08, 2006 @ 10:02 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19652. Re: easternmost france one last time
       ... AFAIK French Overseas currently include: - Collectivités d Outre-Mer (overseas territories: Corsica, Mayotte, Saint-Pierre-&-Miquelon), with some local
       Jul 08, 2006 @ 11:36 - XML ("XML" <x.maillard@...>)
19653. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: easternmost france one last time
       thanx very nice france is a fun country to try for the extremities of it is certainly farther flung than russia maybe even than the usa & or uk too hmm but how
       Jul 08, 2006 @ 19:53 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19654. & the land of extremest extremities is
       perhaps not so simple to determine but it does very much appear to be france for if all claims are allowed & how else to measure extremity than to allow the
       Jul 09, 2006 @ 03:11 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19655. Green Island Ile Verte St.Pierre-Miquelon cafr
       Hi Aletheiak, hi Doug: Did you eventually find where does the CANADA-FRANCE border or sea boundary sea exaclty pass through the Green Island (Ile Verte) and
       Jul 10, 2006 @ 18:06 - XML ("XML" <x.maillard@...>)
19656. Tripoint Tries
       I thought I would announce my first tripoint attempts which will occur in the next three weeks: BEDENL & CZDEPL. Also will be spending some time in the Tatra
       Jul 10, 2006 @ 18:50 - Barry Arnold ("Barry Arnold" <barry_432@...>)
19657. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoint Tries
       I was there in 1961, and went on a raft trip down the Dunajec river from Czorsztyn to Szczawnica (both Polish villages) where for part of the way the right
       Jul 10, 2006 @ 19:16 - Roger ("Roger" <rogerdwmac@...>)
19658. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoint Tries
       For some of my pics of CZPLSK see http://tinyurl.com/n3zrz - I took a whole lot more but haven t had time to properly make them available yet. _____ From:
       Jul 10, 2006 @ 20:15 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
19659. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Green Island Ile Verte St.Pierre-Miquelon cafr
       indeed xavier we would love to see any or all the maps you mention but the best map we have actually seen to date is i believe
       Jul 10, 2006 @ 20:04 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19660. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoint Tries
       bravo barry & i believe we still have somewhere to go & grow with czdepl at least so if the river isnt too dangerously high there when you go & if you do dare
       Jul 10, 2006 @ 20:57 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19661. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoint Tries
       interesting is this your doing http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=e79c7d27-1384-4627-aa01-f654f8e53d2f&IID=06a469e9-c0c6-40a6-8b6e-f3b7652a35bd & if
       Jul 10, 2006 @ 22:04 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19662. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoint Tries
       sounds nice & with such flotation you might have passed directly across the tripoint tho i dont yet see what tripoint you mean by there ...
       Jul 10, 2006 @ 22:10 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19663. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoint Tries
       Yes - I took that photo (and all the others on that page). Pure speculation - but on the ground it is clearly evident that this is at the confluence of two
       Jul 10, 2006 @ 22:16 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
19664. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoint Tries
       no not conclusive but thats promising especially if we can find legal basis for all 3 stream boundaries in text or maps etc so i will be looking out for this
       Jul 10, 2006 @ 22:24 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19665. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Green Island Ile Verte St.Pierre-Miquelon cafr
       yikes i just realized this is indeed just the map you first asked for per the notation in the lower right hand corner so i dont imagine any of the others will
       Jul 10, 2006 @ 22:31 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19666. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoint Tries
       OK - fullsize pics of the visit now uploaded at http://tinyurl.com/z2f9d _____ From: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com] On
       Jul 11, 2006 @ 00:19 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
19667. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoint Tries
       notably no support in your map for the stream junction hypothesis nor in several slightly better zoomable maps i have found either nor btw can i recall seeing
       Jul 11, 2006 @ 02:58 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19668. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoint Tries
       Re: Aletheia s query; there was no tripoint involved in my recollection of that place where the Dunajec River forms the border between Poland and Slovakia, nor
       Jul 11, 2006 @ 03:01 - Roger ("Roger" <rogerdwmac@...>)
19669. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoint Tries
       Looks like same tripoint stick as in 2002: http://www.nicolette.dk/borderbase/tripoint.php?c1=36
       Jul 11, 2006 @ 05:22 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@...>)
19670. exact czplsk
       evidently this is or repeats the 1995 tripoint demarcation text http://www.volny.cz/obec.hrcava/trojmezi.html of which the following is a partial but essential
       Jul 11, 2006 @ 09:13 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19671. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoint Tries
       It s slightly to the left of centre in
       Jul 11, 2006 @ 11:39 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
19672. RE: [BoundaryPoint] exact czplsk
       It would be very hard, if not impossible to eyeball due to the density of the trees in the area. The suggested tripoint location is not directly visible from
       Jul 11, 2006 @ 13:00 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
19673. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoint Tries
       http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/CZPLSK/DSCN2105.jpg is downstream of the
       Jul 11, 2006 @ 13:00 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
19674. re exact czplsk
       thanx to all for the continuing input & now i would venture to take these official measurements even further in support of the proposed visual alignments as
       Jul 11, 2006 @ 13:55 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19675. Re: aeqasa dispute flares again
       fresh gas on top of oil & bridge blowouts http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601085&sid=aAOihfi_EGug&refer=europe ... also
       Jul 11, 2006 @ 14:58 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19676. Re: Green Island / Ile Verte (St.Pierre-Miquelon NFLD) cafr
       Hi everybody, Regarding the CAFR SPM/NFLD boundary, here is my point of view: 1. OK, It does exist a wet boundary. 2. It does exist (yet theorical since it is
       Jul 11, 2006 @ 18:11 - XML ("XML" <x.maillard@...>)
19677. czplsk practically found
       if you would look again at this pic of the cz & pl obelisks http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/CZPLSK/DSCN2103.jpg & realize that the official
       Jul 11, 2006 @ 19:43 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19678. RE: [BoundaryPoint] czplsk practically found
       The stream confluence is approximately equidistant from the CZ and PL obelisks. You can t really tell that from any of the photos but you can if you go there
       Jul 11, 2006 @ 19:52 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
19679. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Green Island / Ile Verte (St.Pierre-Miquelon NFLD) cafr
       Xavier asked: 3. Does island in the 1972-official Agreement ( île , in the official French version of that Agreement) deal with any rock, or only with real
       Jul 11, 2006 @ 20:02 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19680. RE: [BoundaryPoint] czplsk practically found
       thanx how far would you guess it is from them & how far from the sk obelisk ... ...
       Jul 11, 2006 @ 20:37 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19681. RE: [BoundaryPoint] czplsk practically found
       OK - http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/CZPLSK/DSCN2098.jpg is taken from very close to the stream confluence and
       Jul 11, 2006 @ 20:58 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
19682. RE: [BoundaryPoint] czplsk practically found
       thanx again & bravos i think we may be moving toward a coalescence of both hypotheses tho i confess i am still a bit surprised by your distance estimates so
       Jul 11, 2006 @ 21:43 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19683. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Green Island / Ile Verte (St.Pierre-Miquelon NFLD) cafr
       ... here is one place where we may differ for i dont see that the boundary actually follows any shoreline but rather consists only of geodesic line segments
       Jul 11, 2006 @ 22:46 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19684. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoint Tries
       No tripoint in this area - it is the river that forms the border between Poland & Slovakia http://www.vysoketatry.org/leisure/rafting.gif ...
       Jul 12, 2006 @ 05:07 - Barry Arnold ("Barry Arnold" <barry_432@...>)
19685. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoint Tries
       thanx & yes true no major tripoint in this area tho the tri koruny or 3 crowns peak sounds highly auspicious http://www.region.sk/pieniny.html & we know that
       Jul 12, 2006 @ 13:19 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19686. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoint Tries
       Those Three Crowns are in fact in Poland ( Trzy Korony ): the search engine will refer you to them in either spelling, offer a choice of languages, and show
       Jul 12, 2006 @ 13:53 - Roger ("Roger" <rogerdwmac@...>)
19687. Re: Tripoint Tries
       ... yes i knew that & also that its 3 crowns refer to its own 3 peaks rather than to 3 realms or jurisdictions which is why i said they only sound auspicious
       Jul 12, 2006 @ 14:27 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19688. Re: Green Island / Ile Verte (St.Pierre-Miquelon NFLD) cafr
       Hello, OK for a normal high tide rock is an island . ... That s correct. You are right, there is no boundary shore at all, but only a shore point (actually
       Jul 12, 2006 @ 16:13 - XML ("XML" <x.maillard@...>)
19689. Re: Map site
       ... either ... Well, just to correct this above-quoted 2004 reply you wrote: actually it is not Ile Verte (Green Island, the biggest island, with the Canadian
       Jul 12, 2006 @ 17:45 - XML ("XML" <x.maillard@...>)
19690. Re: Île Verte
       Hi again, As I suggested about the channel in my last message I just sent to BP today evening, here we are : Utrecht Treaty: Le Roi de la Grande-Bretagne, en
       Jul 12, 2006 @ 17:36 - XML ("XML" <x.maillard@...>)
19691. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Green Island / Ile Verte (St.Pierre-Miquelon NFLD) cafr
       ... yes & i realize this is silly but the one that apparently has no name is nevertheless called repeatedly the southwesternmost island of the little green
       Jul 12, 2006 @ 20:37 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19692. Re: Green Island / Ile Verte (St.Pierre-Miquelon NFLD) cafr
       I am sorry, among the mistakes I made while typing my messages, I wrote: Well, just to correct this above-quoted 2004 reply you wrote: actually it is not Ile
       Jul 13, 2006 @ 00:47 - XML ("XML" <x.maillard@...>)
19693. Re: Green Island / Ile Verte (St.Pierre-Miquelon NFLD) cafr
       ... with ... it ... thats perfectly all right my friend i enjoy the citation & recitation anyway & it is clear we can never be specific enough in these foggy
       Jul 13, 2006 @ 15:32 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19694. does this outcome affect bgroua or rotrua
       http://www.kyivpost.com/nation/24789 http://w2.vliz.be/vmdcdata/marbound/geointerface.php?Line_ID=367 & if so then which ... How low will we go? Check out
       Jul 13, 2006 @ 16:56 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19695. special to xavier
       ... oops just remembered martin garcia too which has the added virtue of being in salt or at least brackish water rather than sweet hence more like what you
       Jul 14, 2006 @ 11:17 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19696. tri or quadriparish mystery rock gb2do3tewe4chdrmo if not chdreamo
       http://www.dartmoor-crosses.org.uk/fingle_boundary.jpg showing a large dt on its north face & lifted from http://www.dartmoor-crosses.org.uk/fingle_bridge.htm
       Jul 14, 2006 @ 13:19 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19697. RE: [BoundaryPoint] tri or quadriparish mystery rock gb2do3tewe4chdrmo if not chdreamo
       Better map found here - http://tinyurl.com/hxcq2 _____ From: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of aletheia kallos
       Jul 14, 2006 @ 13:48 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
19698. RE: [BoundaryPoint] tri or quadriparish mystery rock gb2do3tewe4chdrmo if not chdreamo
       thanx better in what sense are you zeroing in on anything in particular ... ...
       Jul 14, 2006 @ 13:56 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19699. RE: [BoundaryPoint] tri or quadriparish mystery rock gb2do3tewe4chdrmo if not chdreamo
       More detailed and topographical - encarta appears not to be zoomable very far. Actually UK Ordnance Survey maps at 1:50,000 are available for the whole of
       Jul 14, 2006 @ 15:24 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
19700. RE: [BoundaryPoint] tri or quadriparish mystery rock gb2do3tewe4chdrmo if not chdreamo
       thanx again & i do realize encarta isnt as zoomable as these but it was ideal in showing all 4 localities involved in the chdreamo question within a single
       Jul 14, 2006 @ 16:18 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19701. RE: [BoundaryPoint] tri or quadriparish mystery rock gb2do3tewe4chdrmo if not chdreamo
       ... the municipal boundary depictions on these ordnance survey maps http://tinyurl.com/pl272 _____ From:
       Jul 14, 2006 @ 16:53 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
19702. RE: [BoundaryPoint] tri or quadriparish mystery rock gb2do3tewe4chdrmo if not chdreamo
       See also Review of Historic Parishes of England and Wales: An Electronic Map of Boundaries before 1850 with a Gazetteer and Metadata -
       Jul 14, 2006 @ 17:03 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
19703. RE: [BoundaryPoint] tri or quadriparish mystery rock gb2do3tewe4chdrmo if not chdreamo
       indeed & this too http://www.transportdirect.info/Web/OSLegend/50kRasterLegend.pdf but no parishes evidently a dead issue ...
       Jul 14, 2006 @ 17:16 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19704. oops gb2do3tewd4chdrmo etc is a ghost & an anachronism
       ok i havent exactly solved the mystery but have at least realized a few things first of all it appears triparish points may have moved around a bit over the
       Jul 15, 2006 @ 01:29 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19705. Re: bwnazmzw bridge delay is again attributed to border dispute
       yet this recent update filed from harare makes no mention of any such hangup there http://allafrica.com/stories/200607110044.html still it seems significant
       Jul 15, 2006 @ 12:55 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19706. bdin border cross or crosses may be at risk in clave swap talks
       news long overdue yet probably still premature too http://www.irna.ir/en/news/view/menu-234/0607162391185605.htm
       Jul 16, 2006 @ 17:40 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19707. bdin clave swap commission decides to peek in & speed up this year
       http://www.zeenews.com/articles.asp?rep=2&aid=309642&sid=NAT&ssid= but clearly the continuing existences of our still elusive & indeed virgin bdinbdin boundary
       Jul 17, 2006 @ 13:34 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19708. aha bd was only pressing for an uninterrupted tinbigha corridor
       presumably by introducing some sort of a sealed viaduct that would permanently open the intermittent border crossing & put an end to the exotic corner tripoint
       Jul 17, 2006 @ 19:56 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19709. yikes a top level english megapoint virgin gb2cmlinarl
       cambridgeshire lincolnshire northamptonshire rutland quadricounty you may have to squint a bit to see all 4 major state lines converging here
       Jul 18, 2006 @ 13:13 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19710. correction Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes a top level english megapoint virgin gb2cmlinarl
       oops make that just beside the railway underpass just before the exit ramp & not within the jug handle at all but a few hundred meters west of it so maybe not
       Jul 18, 2006 @ 13:47 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19711. Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes a top level english megapoint virgin gb2cmlinarl
       Interesting as they may be, county boundaries in England hardly qualify as major state lines ! Roger & out.
       Jul 18, 2006 @ 14:20 - Roger ("Roger" <rogerdwmac@...>)
19712. class d pic of the gb2cmlinarl quadricounty point may help
       this aerial view has the railway & stream underpass just left of center
       Jul 18, 2006 @ 14:40 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19713. Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes a top level english megapoint virgin gb2cmlinarl
       aha thanx & of course you are right for i ignored the countries in great britain such as england & scotland etc which indeed are more major than the counties
       Jul 18, 2006 @ 15:23 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19714. special to roger re cmlinarl
       ... these or to rephrase the question are the county boundaries not the most major lines of state that exist in england & or isnt the unique cmlinarl
       Jul 19, 2006 @ 14:27 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19715. Re: [BoundaryPoint] special to roger re cmlinarl
       From the topo map, it looks as though the county boundary has been altered in modern times to conform to the northeast margin of the A-1 expressway s
       Jul 19, 2006 @ 15:57 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19716. but more urgently is this really cmlinarl at all or rather linapbrl
       nice observation by lowell & heres the topo again to help see it & what follows
       Jul 19, 2006 @ 18:42 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19717. or are these perhaps the most major english state lines
       http://www.gos.gov.uk/national/ but gwillim for one doesnt even mention the regions as being anything http://statoids.com/ugb.html
       Jul 19, 2006 @ 19:13 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19718. breakaway somaliland tripoint chances improve
       as baidoa becomes de facto exclave of ethiopia & secessionist puntland tripoint prospects remain unclear
       Jul 20, 2006 @ 15:27 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19719. faux druid 1859 tri shire point witness cromlich
       http://www.megalithic.co.uk/article.php?sid=5255 but the very nearby gloucestershire somerset wiltshire tripoint per se aka gcsmwl or gb2en3gcsmwl in full
       Jul 20, 2006 @ 15:55 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19720. Re: [BoundaryPoint] faux druid 1859 tri shire point witness cromlich
       ahh but heres a pic possibly including the possibly not directly marked tripoint position in the roadway at or slightly beyond the lower left corner
       Jul 20, 2006 @ 16:23 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19721. breakaway kosovo tripoint favorites appear to lag
       http://www.b92.net/eng/news/in_focus.php?id=91 http://www.b92.net/eng/insight/in_depth.php?id=92 long heralded to reach turtle bay & the world class in 2006 &
       Jul 22, 2006 @ 17:07 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19722. haha someone doesnt consider tertiary quadripoints particularly interesting
       but this recent quadripoint compilation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadripoint nevertheless appears to be sourced close to bp & tho correctly incorporating
       Jul 26, 2006 @ 15:43 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19723. was cornish quadriparish ghost rock arthurian round table
       http://writeonlymemory.net/photo-album/britain/England/Penwith%20Peninsula/Four%20Parish%20Stone/tn/IMG_2168.JPG.html excerpted from
       Jul 27, 2006 @ 21:22 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19724. Re: [BoundaryPoint] was cornish quadriparish ghost rock arthurian round table
       thanx to various other named landmarks the description given a few paragraphs from the end of this tour http://www.celticway.org/penwithround.htm would appear
       Jul 28, 2006 @ 12:56 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19725. mzzmzw pic from colonial era is still best available
       http://www.nrzam.org.uk/Site%20Resources/NRPhotoBook/Feira.jpg from http://www.nrzam.org.uk/NRPhotobook/northern_rhodesiaLeft.htm & if as the above text claims
       Jul 28, 2006 @ 16:15 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19726. multiple chfrit try anyone
       or if too busy then skip directly to item 37 http://www.papillondesalpes.com/1concdo.htm it is unclear tho how successful this multipointing try if any
       Jul 30, 2006 @ 15:38 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19727. Re: [BoundaryPoint] multiple chfrit try anyone
       Ah, I see we re looking for new boundaries to cross!
       Jul 30, 2006 @ 16:35 - Roger ("Roger" <rogerdwmac@...>)
19728. My visit to Campione d'Italia
       Buon Giorno! It s been a long time since I posted a message to BoundaryPoint, and now that I have been home for a few days from my trip to Switzerland, I
       Jul 30, 2006 @ 16:59 - Craig ("Craig" <trehala@...>)
19729. Re: [BoundaryPoint] My visit to Campione d'Italia
       nice to have you back so alive craig & we do indeed routinely risk life & limb here at bp for the multipoints such as chfrit but you are the first to multiply
       Jul 30, 2006 @ 19:49 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19730. Re: [BoundaryPoint] My visit to Campione d'Italia
       ... It does have at least one minor tripoint, however. On the page at http://campione.enclaves.org/ , please see the left photo under Marker 14, which is
       Jul 30, 2006 @ 20:12 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19731. Re: [BoundaryPoint] My visit to Campione d'Italia
       sharp shooting maestro for thats the international quaternary tripoint of chit2lmti3colg4arbica youve found there thus obviating any need to find a more
       Jul 30, 2006 @ 20:32 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19732. Re: [BoundaryPoint] My visit to Campione d'Italia
       in fact & in all fairness to craig of mississauga & with extra honors to lowell of leesville too for not overplaying this point it was already clear from
       Jul 30, 2006 @ 23:10 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19733. Re: [BoundaryPoint] My visit to Campione d'Italia
       for example if mapquest here can be believed
       Jul 31, 2006 @ 00:49 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19734. Re: [BoundaryPoint] My visit to Campione d'Italia
       If you will go to http://campione.enclaves.org/ and view the second page of the Elfer Anstand of the 1861 treaty that delimits the boundary, you will find in
       Jul 31, 2006 @ 02:56 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19735. angle Inlet
       Not sure where this was from, but it was posted today to a maps list. Brendan
       Jul 31, 2006 @ 07:44 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
19736. Re: [BoundaryPoint] My visit to Campione d'Italia
       yes nice with you loud & clear & yet even having all this fully clarified the tripoint situation itself still isnt crystal clear all indications are that the
       Jul 31, 2006 @ 07:12 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19737. Re: [BoundaryPoint] angle Inlet
       if youre asking then i can tell you it was from the grand forks herald http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandforks/15155717.htm but as usual the relevant mbmnon
       Jul 31, 2006 @ 07:23 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19738. Re: [BoundaryPoint] My visit to Campione d'Italia
       Please see my four insertions below: Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: aletheia kallos To:
       Jul 31, 2006 @ 15:18 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19739. Re: angle Inlet
       but i think where it may really have been from is this true primer of the extraordinary preconception & gestation of mbmnon
       Jul 31, 2006 @ 15:42 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19740. Re: [BoundaryPoint] My visit to Campione d'Italia
       ... Yes, I agree. The tripoint is most likely at the brook bottom. Yes, the plank is part of an international footbridge. Below is the italian text from
       Jul 31, 2006 @ 19:35 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
19741. Re: My visit to Campione d'Italia
       Ref: and to my surprise they informed me that the lakeside border did not begin until just between the second house and the church. In other words, it was
       Jul 31, 2006 @ 23:32 - Dieter Langenecker ("Dieter Langenecker" <dlmm@...>)
19742. Re: [BoundaryPoint] My visit to Campione d'Italia
       thanx very much mats all wonderfully clarifying tho for some reason i cant access the de bruin pdf caption texts nevertheless what i can see there plus all the
       Jul 31, 2006 @ 23:49 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19743. Re: [BoundaryPoint] My visit to Campione d'Italia
       Mike, The de Bruin photos of markers 1 and 2 do not show the area of the tripoint. Rock 1 is at the base of a cliff. The photographer had to lean out and get
       Aug 01, 2006 @ 01:35 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19744. Re: [BoundaryPoint] My visit to Campione d'Italia
       again i am flying pdf text blind here so i am grateful for all your help but this best available arcalu map
       Aug 01, 2006 @ 03:25 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19745. Re: [BoundaryPoint] My visit to Campione d'Italia
       I had wondered how rock 1 could mark the actual boundary if it is so obviously on the Swiss bank of the brook. Still, the rock has I on one side and S on
       Aug 01, 2006 @ 05:45 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19746. Re: [BoundaryPoint] My visit to Campione d'Italia
       This is what the Elfter Anstand says about the northernmost part of the border: Das kleine, Valle del Molino di Campio genannte Flüsschen, bildet di
       Aug 01, 2006 @ 08:29 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
19747. Re: [BoundaryPoint] My visit to Campione d'Italia
       More fumblings in the dark: Look again at http://www.globalgeografia.com/italia/img/campione_fig05a.jpg Doesn t it look like the international border between
       Aug 01, 2006 @ 08:55 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
19748. Re: [BoundaryPoint] My visit to Campione d'Italia
       Hi everyone, little offtopic, but does anyone of you knows something about the people, living in the houses close to Sassi del Cane: Mitra di S.Ambrogio and
       Aug 01, 2006 @ 09:05 - Chris Schulz ("Chris Schulz" <wertkauf@...>)
19749. Re: [BoundaryPoint] My visit to Campione d'Italia
       thanx again mats & i think it is clear now that tho chit follows the right bank of the creek from marker 1 down to the creek mouth nevertheless the
       Aug 01, 2006 @ 13:39 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19750. Re: My visit to Campione d'Italia
       thats perfectly ok chris being on topic isnt nearly so important as knowing what the topic is just as paying lip service to direct border context isnt nearly
       Aug 01, 2006 @ 14:32 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19751. arbica & arcalu Re: My visit to Campione d'Italia
       ... poignant comment regardless of what this ultimately measurable distance proves to be if anyone can ever get down into the gorge & eyeball across the brook
       Aug 01, 2006 @ 15:18 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19752. correction Re: angle Inlet
       ... er not for a more careful reading of the article has persuaded me that they werent marking this great tripoint & northwest angle extremity at all but
       Aug 01, 2006 @ 21:27 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19753. still no photo but fine art is found of virgin caus birth tripoint
       probably few members will recall this observation from message 9636 regarding the state of play of the first point ever marked on caus aka
       Aug 02, 2006 @ 17:39 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19754. nomenclatural fixes re fine art virgin caus birth marker tripoint
       ... from ... line ... http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=19&n=5088360&e=594329&size=l&datum=nad83 ... named ... preceded ...
       Aug 03, 2006 @ 16:43 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19755. 3 lords stone
       according to http://www.nicholasrhea.co.uk/yorkshire/crosses.html & http://www.dalesman.co.uk/walks/cringlemoor.htm there is a 3 lords stone in north yorkshire
       Aug 04, 2006 @ 02:23 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19756. oddly no quadrifarthing but a marked trifarthing point or 2
       http://www.glyphweb.com/Arda/t/threefarthingstone.html map http://www.douglas.eckhart.btinternet.co.uk/maps-the-shire-01.jpg & the following history with
       Aug 04, 2006 @ 14:21 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19757. lilla cross marked a medieval quadriparish point too
       a second ghost multipoint marker just discovered hiding in plain sight within yesterdays moorland crosses offering
       Aug 04, 2006 @ 20:43 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19758. tripoint tree produced leaves of different colors in each county
       In early days, a large tree bearing leaves that were three shades of green was called the Corner Tree as it stood at the geographical point where the three
       Aug 05, 2006 @ 14:37 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19759. Re: [BoundaryPoint] tripoint tree produced leaves of different colors in each county
       Methinks somebody had a colorful imagination. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: aletheia kallos To:
       Aug 05, 2006 @ 15:32 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19760. Re: [BoundaryPoint] tripoint tree produced leaves of different colors in each county
       hahahaha yes that plus the 3 different bourbons on the pub crawl ... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo!
       Aug 05, 2006 @ 15:48 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19761. likely roman quintipoint fountain was razed by il duce
       situated in front of the colosseum where 5 of the 14 regions of rome created by caesar augustus in 7 bc are thought to have converged
       Aug 06, 2006 @ 14:15 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19762. Re: [BoundaryPoint] likely roman quintipoint fountain was razed by il duce
       the quintipoint isnt necessarily easy to spot on this map http://efts.lib.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/eos/eos_page.pl?DPI=100&callnum=DG16.P72&ident=394 but you can
       Aug 06, 2006 @ 19:39 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19763. ghost cherokee creek osage tripoint marker
       http://www.tulsapreservationcommission.org/owenp1.htm from http://www.tulsapreservationcommission.org/owen_park.htm the original 1825 tripoint was actually
       Aug 07, 2006 @ 15:38 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19764. breakaway tripoint handicapping help found for race to turtle bay
       this fascinating site doesnt actually try to locate the future tripoints but only assesses the probabilities of the prospective breakaway countries that would
       Aug 07, 2006 @ 19:22 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19765. BE-DE: Smallest Vennbahn enclave
       I have uploaded to the files area an Excel spreadsheet with the measurement data for the smallest Vennbahn enclave. Basically it is a series of measurements
       Aug 08, 2006 @ 14:12 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
19766. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BE-DE: Smallest Vennbahn enclave
       brendan thanx for thinking of us with all these puzzling data but when you ask is it useful or interesting i have to wonder with you useful or interesting for
       Aug 08, 2006 @ 14:18 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19767. high point of png mt wilhelm is a leading tripoint too
       it is not easy to pinpoint but the high point of papua new guinea & the most prominent internal tripoint of that country as formed by chimbu & madang & western
       Aug 08, 2006 @ 14:24 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19768. BE-DE: Smallest Vennbahn enclave
       I have updated the file to include area calculations, which I have explained in the file. I hope you can follow them. The figure I get agrees with German
       Aug 09, 2006 @ 09:08 - amcirclevp ("amcirclevp" <bwhyte@...>)
19769. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BE-DE: Smallest Vennbahn enclave
       well i cant follow because i cant open the xls file but no matter because i at least understand you are appreciating & celebrating something & thats the
       Aug 09, 2006 @ 19:56 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19770. seven marken point / zevenmarkenpoint / septipoint
       This might be of interest to some of you: no tripoints nor quadripoints; I finally added a septipoint to my website. Ik heb een zevenmarkenpunt aan mij website
       Aug 11, 2006 @ 20:19 - Harry ten Veen (Harry ten Veen <h.ten.veen@...>)
19771. Re: [BoundaryPoint] seven marken point / zevenmarkenpoint / septipoint
       harry this is very interesting because meeting points of greater than fivefold complexity are of course extremely rare in fact we have only seen one such case
       Aug 12, 2006 @ 00:41 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19772. ambazania does claim bakassi & is aka southern cameroons
       apologies if the following reposting is a duplication but the first 2 tries havent arrived at bp yet ...
       Aug 12, 2006 @ 00:56 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19773. Re: [BoundaryPoint] seven marken point / zevenmarkenpoint / septipoint
       Mike, It is clear that the seven marken point does not exist anymore. My information comes from an information sign near the stone and an article in Waardeel
       Aug 12, 2006 @ 09:18 - Harry ten Veen (Harry ten Veen <h.ten.veen@...>)
19774. Re: [BoundaryPoint] seven marken point / zevenmarkenpoint / septipoint
       thanx harry beautiful & i agree this conjunction is indeed looking quite sevenfold there now at least in some time frame perhaps not very far remote from 1832
       Aug 12, 2006 @ 15:12 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19775. flags & tripoints of bakassi & or ambazania afloat for real
       fresh reports http://www.tribune.com.ng/14082006/news/news3.html http://www.unpo.org/article.php?id=4930
       Aug 13, 2006 @ 23:10 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19776. philippine municipal octapoint a new world leader
       no fewer than 8 municipalities of albay province in the bicol region or number v 35 here
       Aug 14, 2006 @ 02:15 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19777. Re: breakaway tripoint handicapping help found for race to turtle bay
       & successfully predicting the occurrence & location of breakaway tripoints looks fairly simplistic compared to foretelling some less definitive sorts of events
       Aug 14, 2006 @ 18:01 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19778. Writing a boundary guidebook to MASS.
       Currently, I m still on the Cape towns. I ve covered Bourne,Sandwich,Falmouth,Mashpee,Barnstable,Yarmouth,Dennis,Brewster,Cha tham, and Orleans. As of right
       Aug 14, 2006 @ 19:32 - peter_creedon ("peter_creedon" <peter_creedon@...>)
19779. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Writing a boundary guidebook to MASS.
       bravissimos peter from a nearly massachusan nantuckophile connecticutie fantastic project youve got there when you reach berkshire county let me know as i am
       Aug 14, 2006 @ 20:36 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19780. newfound philippine octapoint misqualified by its discoverer etc
       i see here our local encyclopedist has made a mere octosecondary point out of his & our fantastic new philippine octaquaternary finding
       Aug 15, 2006 @ 07:05 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19781. Re: Writing a boundary guidebook to MASS.
       ... Bourne,Sandwich,Falmouth,Mashpee,Barnstable,Yarmouth,Dennis,Brewster,C ha ... Speaking of Town Tri-points, Maine is riddled with them. There are even some
       Aug 15, 2006 @ 17:20 - peter_creedon ("peter_creedon" <peter_creedon@...>)
19782. Link to my forum is up
       It s called New England Boundary Hikers. Check it out, join, don t join, it doesn t matter.
       Aug 15, 2006 @ 20:45 - peter_creedon ("peter_creedon" <peter_creedon@...>)
19783. possibly unique international quadrimunicipal point
       ... them. There are ... well yes since just about everywhere is riddled with town tripoints but you are right on about maine being fairly riddled with quad
       Aug 17, 2006 @ 00:02 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19784. Re: narrowest sliver slice bested again
       you may recall 3 & a half years ago jack set a new record for the narrowest known territorial sliver slice in the world at about 6 degrees of arc
       Aug 17, 2006 @ 00:39 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19785. is independent bakassi tripoint subsumed by greater ambazanian one
       fresh clue from http://www.thisdayonline.com/nview.php?id=55766 Meanwhile the Southern Cameroons Peoples Organisation (SCAPO) yesterday threw its weight behind
       Aug 17, 2006 @ 22:00 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19786. oops ctmany knockoff neglects to include marker
       http://www.answers.com/topic/ny-ma-ct-tripoint-marker-jpg ineptly lifted from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:NY-MA-CT_Tripoint_Marker.JPG but maybe it is
       Aug 18, 2006 @ 11:51 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19787. earliest known pic of azconmut & a request for the latest
       this one evidently even predates the 1912 az & nm statehood accessions http://www.ancestral.com/cultures/north_america/navajo.html so i suppose it is still
       Aug 20, 2006 @ 22:59 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19788. CZDEPL Tripoint
       My first tripoint visit - photos are accessible http://www.flickr.com/photos/barry_432/ I walked from the official road crossing point along the river to the
       Aug 21, 2006 @ 09:20 - Barry Arnold ("Barry Arnold" <barry_432@...>)
19789. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CZDEPL Tripoint
       very tastefully done barry & it looks like this bird you have caught here so very near the terra firma extremity of the czech republic
       Aug 21, 2006 @ 12:09 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19790. Historic Tripoint: Russia / Germany / Austria-Hungary
       The September 2006 issue of hidden europe magazine has an article on the art of bagging tripoints. The tripoint and quadripoint examples it includes are
       Aug 21, 2006 @ 16:46 - Nicky Gardner ("Nicky Gardner" <nicky@...>)
19791. BEDENL Visit
       I have uploaded some images from my recent visit. I was not prepared for all the people at the open air park, it was very busy but I guess borders should bring
       Aug 21, 2006 @ 17:18 - Barry Arnold ("Barry Arnold" <barry_432@...>)
19792. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Historic Tripoint: Russia / Germany / Austria-Hungary
       welcome nicky & thanx for all the great news tho i got only as far as this tantalizing teaser page
       Aug 21, 2006 @ 17:55 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19793. Re: CZDEPL Tripoint
       A lovely pic! Just at the point where the bird now stands, surveying the multi-national view, the then German Chancellor (Herr Schröder) met with the Heads of
       Aug 21, 2006 @ 18:29 - Nicky Gardner ("Nicky Gardner" <nicky@...>)
19794. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CZDEPL Tripoint
       aha interesting & in view of that you may enjoy parts of this rather mixed up trisovereign pointing discussion
       Aug 21, 2006 @ 21:06 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19795. first known alcsmk visit photo claim
       actually or allegedly thats albania & macedonia with serbia as in kosovo http://www.flickr.com/photos/haxhinexha/80916669/in/set-72057594070509277/ per the
       Aug 22, 2006 @ 04:12 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19796. Re: CZDEPL Tripoint
       Interesting comments. Thanks. You ask: but how close did these 3 heads of state you saw there or any of the other celebrants then come to actually reaching
       Aug 22, 2006 @ 07:11 - Nicky Gardner ("Nicky Gardner" <nicky@...>)
19797. Re: Historic Tripoint: Russia / Germany / Austria-Hungary
       Thanks for your comments Aletheia, and particularly for all those links to historic BoundaryPoint threads and other material. In truth, I m only now browsing
       Aug 22, 2006 @ 07:39 - Nicky Gardner ("Nicky Gardner" <nicky@...>)
19798. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CZDEPL Tripoint
       Yes I remember reading about that - apparently local planning laws did allow for the bridges to stay up any longer. Having visited the area there are several
       Aug 22, 2006 @ 09:55 - Barry Arnold ("Barry Arnold" <barry_432@...>)
19799. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CZDEPL Tripoint
       I liked the birds position in the picture as well. The position of the tripoint is clearer now that the bushes that I have seen in other pictures has been
       Aug 22, 2006 @ 10:02 - Barry Arnold ("Barry Arnold" <barry_432@...>)
19800. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CZDEPL Tripoint
       more wonderful news nicky & great thanx as well as congrats for confirming this more advanced state of play for czdepl than previously reported nor can i
       Aug 22, 2006 @ 13:10 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19801. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Historic Tripoint: Russia / Germany / Austria-Hungary
       very nice indeed thanx again & looking forward to more particulars on all these topics as they become available tho many quadriconvergencies or prospective
       Aug 22, 2006 @ 13:34 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19802. BOCLPE
       Google has improved their images over the BOCLPE area, and I believe I have spotted the actual tripoint monument from space. On
       Aug 22, 2006 @ 19:21 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@...>)
19803. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BOCLPE
       sharp shooting there hombre & do hold on to these pix as they are evidently all that remain alive of the several to many we have previously found of this
       Aug 22, 2006 @ 20:56 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19804. unusual town tripoint rock graces 3town parish with divided pew
       this photo of frazers rock aka the great rock
       Aug 23, 2006 @ 09:34 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19805. Re: BEDENL Visit
       quite right barry as you see borders are indeed very much meant to separate people nor is that our doing nor happily even our concern but multipoints &
       Aug 25, 2006 @ 15:02 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19806. wiki finds our finnish septimunicipal octapoint is really octamunicipal
       revisiting the young & growing wikipedia quadripoint page keeps paying dividends http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadripoint for it now appears they have
       Aug 25, 2006 @ 16:59 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19807. improved pic of fi2ls3vs4lmtu5aumamynopotuvayl anyway
       http://kuhis2002.tripod.com/kuhis/kuhankuono.jpg might the metal spikes protruding from the surrounding platform perhaps mark the various municipal borders
       Aug 25, 2006 @ 18:48 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19808. finnish octapoint maps seem to confirm spikes in photo
       zoomable http://opaskartta.turku.fi/index_eng.htm where using the left panel pan up to the octapoint depicted at top center of the right panel & then zoom in
       Aug 26, 2006 @ 02:49 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19809. growing stalemate on horn advances breakaway tripoint prospects
       the somalia situation may still seem & be highly unstable & quite fluid but there is now some serious question as to where if anywhere it can proceed from here
       Aug 26, 2006 @ 03:16 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19810. bw & zm chiefs to harare for 3way bwnazmzw bridge talks
       http://allafrica.com/stories/200608250571.html does the conspicuous absence of namibia suggest the span location will be some distance downriver from the
       Aug 26, 2006 @ 22:35 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19811. re growing stalemate on horn advances breakaway tripoint prospects
       my apologies for unwittingly sending this subsequently restricted link http://www.stratfor.com/products/premium/read_article.php?id=273644&selected=Analyses
       Aug 27, 2006 @ 21:58 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19812. teetering cantilever tripoint rock
       wanting to get out of the house but not too far out on a rainy sunday morning & feeling the rustiness of not having made a real multipoint try in the flesh
       Aug 27, 2006 @ 22:56 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19813. Re: [BoundaryPoint] first known alcsmk visit photo claim
       ... If you will view the photo at http://tinyurl.com/m9pmt , you will see that he was hugging his own right knee. Both men were lying back on the ground in
       Aug 28, 2006 @ 03:34 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19814. Re: [BoundaryPoint] first known alcsmk visit photo claim
       thanx good one & if you will review the entire message youve taken this lede from http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/19795 which continues but
       Aug 28, 2006 @ 07:15 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19815. Re: finnish octapoint maps seem to confirm spikes in photo
       This seems to be the octapoint marker itself: http://www.luontoon.fi/page.asp?Section=3102 The text is in Swedish and is about the tracks in the Kurjenrahka
       Aug 28, 2006 @ 07:32 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
19816. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: finnish octapoint maps seem to confirm spikes in photo
       great thanx & mutual congrats jan for this photo is a distinct improvement in the state of play here & fairly qed on the above titled surmise in showing off no
       Aug 28, 2006 @ 12:54 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19817. Re: [BoundaryPoint] first known alcsmk visit photo claim
       Yes, I already knew that you agreed at the level of speculative probability. I was merely furnishing the proof. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA
       Aug 28, 2006 @ 17:07 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19818. Re: is independent bakassi tripoint subsumed by greater ambazanian one
       with apologies if duplicated by arrival of lost original Note: forwarded message attached. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?
       Aug 28, 2006 @ 22:57 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19819. english quad was Re: Historic Tripoint: Russia / Germany / Austria-Hungary
       nicky still very much looking forward to your coming issue i just realized for some reason i neglected to mention this earlier
       Aug 28, 2006 @ 23:34 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19820. Re: bw & zm chiefs to harare for 3way bwnazmzw bridge talks
       yes & yes for the absence of namibia from the talks does mean a lower location etc http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/5295078.stm but how about these hitherto
       Aug 29, 2006 @ 14:00 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19821. 5th try on this bakassi ambazania post may set new record
       & since none of the previous 4 tries included below have yet arrived heres still another but this time on a form borrowed from the message board aha since that
       Aug 29, 2006 @ 15:04 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19822. several municipal multipoints under review on fise
       http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Joint+border+survey+between+Finland+and+Sweden+in+progress/1135221286410 & as you can see with the help of these fine zoomable
       Aug 30, 2006 @ 02:44 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19823. dispute over southernmost major tripoint in the world
       fresh report http://www.mercopress.com/Detalle.asp?NUM=8642 this recalls http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/19494 in which if you zoom in on
       Aug 30, 2006 @ 13:22 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19824. potential breakaway somaliland tripoint aggressively promoted
       hot today http://www.unpo.org/article.php?id=5282 http://www.unpo.org/article.php?id=5283 http://www.unpo.org/article.php?id=5259 evidently in light of the
       Aug 30, 2006 @ 14:10 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19825. That enigmatic English quadripoint
       Alethiak You kindly posted the pointers to the Blanchflower website yesterday re that enigmatic English quadripoint. No, curiously that wasn t where I found
       Aug 30, 2006 @ 16:25 - Nicky Gardner ("Nicky Gardner" <nicky@...>)
19826. Re: [BoundaryPoint] That enigmatic English quadripoint
       thanx nicky glad you are back & so pleasingly mobile too & not at all sure i understand this grid reference system yet & still guessing the quadripoint if any
       Aug 30, 2006 @ 19:24 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19827. erstwhile bwnazmzw now bwzmzw could yet become just a zmzw bridge
       buried at the end of this latest kazungula bridge report from harare http://allafrica.com/stories/200608300836.html The parties will construct the bridge on
       Aug 30, 2006 @ 23:58 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19828. yikes kztmuz is reportedly undelineated & definitely elusive
       http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2006/08/295991D6-AB19-4C80-93B4-A5859F110120.html but what could this mean for kzuz is reportedly fully delimited & likely
       Aug 31, 2006 @ 13:23 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19829. sool backlash suggests tripoint flux by punt growth may fizzle
       http://www.sudantribune.com/spip.php?article17341 so notwithstanding what looked like an easily done deal along ethnic lines last december
       Aug 31, 2006 @ 13:24 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19830. SV: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is reportedly undelineated & definitely elusive
       What do you make of this http://maps.google.com/?ll=41.307729,55.994568
       Sep 03, 2006 @ 12:56 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@...>)
19831. Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is reportedly undelineated & definitely elusive
       Exactly. The NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC ATLAS OF THE WORLD shows this and the other similar oblong area to the southeast as a basin below sea level called Chink
       Sep 03, 2006 @ 14:30 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19832. Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is reportedly undelineated & definitely elusive
       not sure about the etymology nor the degree of generality but chink is evidently at least the local probably kazak or russian name for any edge of this crumbly
       Sep 03, 2006 @ 17:16 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19833. Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is reportedly undelineated & definitely elusive
       There s a different NASA satellite view of the tripoint on Windows Live Local at http://tinyurl.com/lw7uy . This one shows depression along the Chink
       Sep 03, 2006 @ 22:13 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19834. Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is reportedly undelineated & definitely elusive
       sounds interesting but is this tinyurl working normally it quickly redirects my browser to
       Sep 03, 2006 @ 23:22 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19835. Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is reportedly undelineated & definitely elusive
       Both of the Live Local links in your reply work for me. I m not clear on what you re getting when you go to them. Apparently, though, one must be logged in
       Sep 04, 2006 @ 00:56 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19836. Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is reportedly undelineated & definitely elusive
       ... great i still get nothing or rather to be perfectly clear i get a blank white screen both normally & also when i try to go via my hotmail account which for
       Sep 04, 2006 @ 07:14 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19837. Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is reportedly undelineated & definitely elusive
       but it is clear as well as credible when i zoom encarta all the way in for topography & boundaries
       Sep 04, 2006 @ 14:35 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19838. Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is reportedly undelineated & definitely elusive
       or better yet since the google satpic ultimately gives much more detailed topo isography than the encarta map provided it is aimed & centered correctly as it
       Sep 04, 2006 @ 16:33 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19839. Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is reportedly undelineated & definitely elusive
       I agree that there is quite an escarpment there, and the name Chink Kaplankyr might well refer to it rather than the depression at its foot in which the
       Sep 04, 2006 @ 19:24 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@wildblue.net>)
19840. Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is reportedly undelineated & definitely elusive
       beautiful thanx great fun & please look for a few inserts below ... if you will survey the usages of chink say in this local ustyurt sampling
       Sep 04, 2006 @ 20:59 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19841. Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is reportedly undelineated & definitely elusive
       Your and my estimations of the tripoint location are quite close. What makes you think, though, that this is on a fairly steep gradient, when the darkness
       Sep 04, 2006 @ 20:37 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19842. Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is reportedly undelineated & definitely elusive
       ... yes it is reassuring to know our guesses are this close at least horizontally but my reading of the satpic combined with what i have seen of surface photos
       Sep 04, 2006 @ 23:30 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19843. Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is reportedly undelineated & definitely elusive
       Yes, we surely could use one of those old Soviet maps. I looked for one also, but struck out. My statement about the location of the tripoint according to
       Sep 05, 2006 @ 02:13 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19844. Re: yikes kztmuz is reportedly undelineated & definitely elusive
       ok nice so if live local is any more reliable in its border depictions than our famously unreliable google is then your tripoint position guess would tend to
       Sep 05, 2006 @ 02:57 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19845. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: yikes kztmuz is reportedly undelineated & definitely elusive
       Despite whatever degree of spuriousness in the precision, it s the best that we ve got for now. Yes, I agree that we are both probably close enough to call it
       Sep 05, 2006 @ 03:53 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19846. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: yikes kztmuz is reportedly undelineated & definitely elusive
       well ok but actually kzuz is now purported to be fully demarcated per footnote 6 here http://www.asiaquarterly.com/content/view/28 as was expected in this post
       Sep 05, 2006 @ 13:32 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19847. Re: That enigmatic English quadripoint
       Alethiak Sorry, I really misled you there. I meant to type 100 metres east of the Sean Blanchflower point of 019057. Not 1000 metres. In the article I gave the
       Sep 05, 2006 @ 14:52 - Nicky Gardner ("Nicky Gardner" <nicky@...>)
19848. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: yikes kztmuz is reportedly undelineated & definitely elusive
       At http://tinyurl.com/el8e2 are similar deltaic formations on a mudflat inlet of the Caspian Sea on the middle part of the Turkmen coast. Lowell G. McManus
       Sep 05, 2006 @ 15:33 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19849. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: That enigmatic English quadripoint
       great thanx nicky & all clear as well & we are necessarily splitting hairs here for which i do apologize in the normal world yet it is among our greatest
       Sep 05, 2006 @ 16:01 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19850. SV: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is reportedly undelineated & definitely elusive
       For those who know how to operate Google Earth: Please turn on terrain, tilt the image and find the area flat. I find Google Earth quite reliable for terrains.
       Sep 05, 2006 @ 18:12 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@...>)
19851. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is reportedly undelineated & definitely elusive
       sounds great what does turn on terrain mean or how do you do that or better yet could you just beam up the result for this position ...
       Sep 05, 2006 @ 18:31 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19852. SV: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is reportedly undelineated & definitely elusive
       Attached various maps of KZTMUZ. Jesper -- Borderbase - your online guide to international borders and tripoints http://www.nicolette.dk/borderbase _____ Fra:
       Sep 05, 2006 @ 18:34 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@nicolette.dk>)
19853. SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is reportedly undelineated & definitely elusive
       No fancy results of terrain (or 3d) to show as the entire areas is very flat. The tripoint itself is at water level at 0m and the surroundings do no go higher
       Sep 05, 2006 @ 18:47 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@...>)
19854. Re: SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is reportedly undelineated & definitely elusive
       wow thanxx jesper for this fantastic new toy & for the recent attachments too electrifying all i would still caution anyone tho who thinks they actually see
       Sep 05, 2006 @ 20:36 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19855. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is reportedly undelineated & definitely elusive
       Jesper, Thanks very much for the three PDF maps of the area and the referral to Google Earth. When Google Earth debuted, I tried it, but it did not work for
       Sep 05, 2006 @ 21:15 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19856. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is reportedly undelineated & definitely elusive
       as you say could not be very much higher please be aware the map if it can be believed shows the tripoint 2 distinct levels above the normal water level of the
       Sep 05, 2006 @ 21:37 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19857. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is reportedly undelineated & definitely elusive
       I have gone to Jesper s source, zoomed in, and captured a clearer version for our interpretation. It is attached. First, the contours are in feet, not meters.
       Sep 05, 2006 @ 23:02 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@wildblue.net>)
19858. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is reportedly undelineated & definitely elusive
       agreed about all of the following except i would still say the tripoint is not necessarily within altho at least partly surrounded by your relatively flat
       Sep 05, 2006 @ 23:29 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19859. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is reportedly undelineated & definitely elusive
       & come to think of it i keep liking my sloping natural arrowhead chink shoulder guess better when i try to think of how this outlandish location might have
       Sep 06, 2006 @ 01:09 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19860. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is reportedly undelineated & definitely elusive
       examples of maps depicting kztmuz not as a completely arbitrary cardinal tee junction such as might fall indiscrimately anywhere but as a slightly more wye
       Sep 06, 2006 @ 15:02 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19861. 2nd posting of lost kztmuz sequel hopefully not duplicated
       ok never mind i figured it out & it seems to me that my arrowhead elevation situated about 200m west of the dubiously indicated tripoint position is indeed
       Sep 06, 2006 @ 18:26 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19862. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is reportedly undelineated & definitely elusive
       ok never mind i figured it out & it seems to me that my arrowhead elevation situated about 200m west of the dubiously indicated tripoint position is indeed
       Sep 06, 2006 @ 17:36 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19863. SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is reportedly undelineated & definitely elusive
       Terrain box is checked - good At the dashboard you must have noticed the key pad with arrows and the red dot, go right and you see the rotate right and tilt
       Sep 06, 2006 @ 17:56 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@...>)
19864. afcntj on google earth
       ... the ridge lines & water divides ... everywhere ... of povalo shveikovski http://mapy.mk.cvut.cz/data/Centr._Asia/Topo%20maps_500k/J-43-V.jpg for this
       Sep 08, 2006 @ 02:08 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19865. afcnpk on google earth
       again a ridge junction tripoint is indicated both in the treaties & on the soviet topos http://mapy.mk.cvut.cz/data/Centr._Asia/Topo%20maps_500k/J-43-V.jpg &
       Sep 08, 2006 @ 03:10 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19866. afirpk on google earth
       per the treaties & soviet topos this tripoint is evidently on the highest summit of the kuh i malik siah massif
       Sep 08, 2006 @ 04:15 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19867. slight correction Re: afcnpk on google earth
       not a change in my estimated tripoint position but since i just figured out how to measure horizontal distances at google earth by using the last item under
       Sep 08, 2006 @ 10:37 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19868. ok this is looking good but still just a test
       one more improvement the attachment if it works shows my corrected afcnpk tripoint position on the ridge junction it is marked by a small red square at the end
       Sep 08, 2006 @ 12:39 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19869. afcnpk test was a success so continuing with afcntj & afirpk etc
       this especially nice afcnpk result at the gmane archive http://article.gmane.org/gmane.culture.discuss.boundary-point/9194 has the image & explanation all on a
       Sep 08, 2006 @ 13:48 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19870. afirtm on google earth
       this one is a little more difficult because the hari rud river keeps moving about as it carries both afir & irtm along its thalweg per the treaties or ibs
       Sep 08, 2006 @ 15:36 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19871. aftjuz on google earth
       continuing to follow our borderbase google earth guide to the next tripoint on the tour once again we are led specifically to the thalweg by the old afsu
       Sep 09, 2006 @ 20:20 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19872. aftmuz on google earth
       groundhog day yet again at the next stop on the way down the amu darya where the thalweg again survives from the afsu treaty to carry in this case both aftm &
       Sep 10, 2006 @ 02:37 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19873. SV: [BoundaryPoint] afcntj on google earth
       That 1:500 000 map is no good help. I have placed the pushpin on the ridge junction. I don t know what it was doing on the side in the first place. I suspect
       Sep 10, 2006 @ 14:51 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@...>)
19874. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] afcntj on google earth
       you are right & here is the better map for both afcntj & afcnpk http://sunsite.berkeley.edu:8085/tajikistan/100k/10-43-102.jpg so please file it twice at
       Sep 10, 2006 @ 15:38 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19875. SV: [BoundaryPoint] afcnpk test was a success so continuing with afcntj & afirpk etc
       AFCNPK adjusted for next GE update. I wishI had noted my reasons for placing it there.... Totally off mark. Jesper -- Borderbase - your online guide to
       Sep 10, 2006 @ 15:43 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@nicolette.dk>)
19876. SV: [BoundaryPoint] afcnpk test was a success so continuing with afcntj & afirpk etc
       Once again for AFIRPK my tp pushpin is way off. There is no other explanation that GE did some ajustments. Good we get theese corrected. Thanks for the help.
       Sep 10, 2006 @ 16:18 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@...>)
19877. algrmk on google earth
       http://sunsite.berkeley.edu:8085/albania/50k/11-34-114-2.jpg indicates geocoords of about n lat 40d51m21s & e long 20d59m03s or as indicated by the little red
       Sep 10, 2006 @ 16:34 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19878. alcsmk
       the apparently authoritative tripoint position has been identified by mile milenkoski our sometime resident macedonian border pro as being the old alyu marker
       Sep 10, 2006 @ 16:38 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19879. SV: [BoundaryPoint] alcsmk
       It s obvious I picked the wrong peak. -- Borderbase - your online guide to international borders and tripoints http://www.nicolette.dk/borderbase _____ Fra:
       Sep 10, 2006 @ 17:23 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@...>)
19880. Re: [BoundaryPoint] algrmk on google earth
       I m not sure what you mean with the left red square. However, as the map from berkely indicates, the small island north-west of the right red square is indeed
       Sep 10, 2006 @ 17:37 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
19881. Re: algrmk on google earth
       thanx correct & there are indeed 2 little red squares on this & all my other tripoint stretching diagrams one is always planted at the erroneous border
       Sep 10, 2006 @ 18:07 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19882. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: algrmk on google earth
       Thanks for your clearification my friend. Now I understand. /Christian ... From: aletheiak To: Sent:
       Sep 10, 2006 @ 18:26 - Christian Berghänel (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Bergh=E4nel?= <christian.berghanel@...>)
19883. dzlyne
       this probably unmarked tripoint is placed by brownlie on a ridge line as specified by a 1919 frit understanding & is believed by the ibs to be situated at n
       Sep 10, 2006 @ 18:53 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19884. dzlytn
       since this tripoint is in dispute 2 or more different positions up to 2 km apart are possible but based on a 1970 lytn delimitation brownlie & ibs 121 at least
       Sep 10, 2006 @ 19:52 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19885. dzmlmr
       jesper no better position can be suggested for the pushpin than exactly where you have placed it at exactly n25 x w4d50m since thats what the treaties do say
       Sep 10, 2006 @ 19:56 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19886. dzmlne
       the following summary of brownlie was lifted from message 975 ... demarcation of all 3 ... century by french colonial ... & this suggests jesper has preferred
       Sep 10, 2006 @ 21:41 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19887. Re: [BoundaryPoint] dzmlne
       Mike D., Those of us who have been acquainted with you for a few years know without doubt that you are enjoying the heck out of this global tripoint tour via
       Sep 10, 2006 @ 23:51 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19888. Re: [BoundaryPoint] dzmlne
       haha what dismal knee he said but i thought everyone wanted to learn the code & talk the walk like this so naturally & mnemonically & i know it wouldnt kill me
       Sep 11, 2006 @ 03:10 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19889. Re: [BoundaryPoint] dzmlne
       I think that I probably speak for more than just myself when I say that some of us don t have time to research the title of each new episode to see whether we
       Sep 11, 2006 @ 03:31 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19890. dzehmr but really just a slight retraction re dzmlmr
       continuing with the next stop on jespers grand tour if you wish & reviewing brownlie for it the conventional location of dzehmr based on colonial
       Sep 11, 2006 @ 05:18 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19891. AW: [BoundaryPoint] alcsmk
       After you have screened all the world s tripoints from the air you might think of digging holes underneath each tripoint, so that we may enjoy views from below
       Sep 11, 2006 @ 05:36 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
19892. Re: AW: [BoundaryPoint] alcsmk
       hahaha spoken like a true climber ... http://sunsite.berkeley.edu:8085/albania/50k/11-34-78-1.jpg ...
       Sep 11, 2006 @ 12:24 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19893. yikes but backwards ho again to dzehmr for a true gemmer
       first the necessary codes dz algeria eh western sahara mr mauritania ma morocco ml mali ad andorra es spain fr france e east then the reference map
       Sep 11, 2006 @ 15:27 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19894. Tp marker?
       http://caceres.com.br/index.php?id=13 &sid=30&cod=40 -- Borderbase - your online guide to international
       Sep 11, 2006 @ 19:08 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@...>)
19895. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tp marker?
       yes & a sawanabori or river source point too so a more than nice find in fact it says this marker was installed in 2003 at a new judicially decided position
       Sep 11, 2006 @ 20:20 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19896. the andorra tripoints
       the eastern tripoint aka adesfre is said to be in some dispute or uncertainty but the most credible sources including eef all seem to agree in placing it at
       Sep 11, 2006 @ 22:42 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19897. montenegro now mj & serbia rb but yikes what was this yi
       last item here seems to have quietly answered our prayers months ago
       Sep 12, 2006 @ 00:59 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19898. Re: [BoundaryPoint] montenegro now mj & serbia rb but yikes what was this yi
       These new FIPS codes aren t necessarily what the ISO will eventually assign to Montenegro and to Serbia (separately). In fact, RB is indeterminately
       Sep 12, 2006 @ 02:37 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19899. Re: [BoundaryPoint] montenegro now mj & serbia rb but yikes what was this yi
       oops & yikes you are quite right hold everything or at least take it all with a heavy dose of salt exactly & glad you are still paying attention yi for yikes &
       Sep 12, 2006 @ 02:55 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19900. yikes our tripoint tour blew a stop & hangs a surprise left now too
       tripointing enthusiasts among us if thats not redundant who may have been enjoying as i have the seemingly tidy alphabeticity of our borderbase based google
       Sep 12, 2006 @ 03:23 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19901. good morning & so whither our great world class trypointing tour next
       hmm no preferences expressed i mean about the cshrhu aka hrhurb vs angola question that arose last night well ok then pals i think i myself will prefer to just
       Sep 12, 2006 @ 14:53 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19902. SV: [BoundaryPoint] yikes our tripoint tour blew a stop & hangs a surprise left now too
       I need to fix Serbia and Momtenegro a few places, but hope to get back to that some stage soon. -- Borderbase - your online guide to international borders and
       Sep 12, 2006 @ 19:44 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@...>)
19903. SV: [BoundaryPoint] montenegro now mj & serbia rb but yikes what was this yi
       Why is ISO anyway taking so long? -- Borderbase - your online guide to international borders and tripoints http://www.nicolette.dk/borderbase _____ Fra:
       Sep 12, 2006 @ 19:43 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@...>)
19904. SV: [BoundaryPoint] good morning & so whither our great world class trypointing tour next
       I find the HR version more interesting, and so I picked it. Jesper -- Borderbase - your online guide to international borders and tripoints
       Sep 12, 2006 @ 19:47 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@nicolette.dk>)
19905. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] good morning & so whither our great world class trypointing tour next
       thats what i figured too & maybe our final result would be best to show both or all 3 probable positions or whatever we find is still true by the time we get
       Sep 12, 2006 @ 20:45 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19906. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] montenegro now mj & serbia rb but yikes what was this yi
       my guess is a combination of local politics at turtle bay on top of the embarrassing fact that all the really good & mnemonic digraphs are unavailable because
       Sep 12, 2006 @ 20:49 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19907. aocdcg the cabinda tripoint
       the attached satpic shows my best guessed aocdcg position at the intersection of the chiloango river & a low ridge named in the original 1901 frpt agreement as
       Sep 12, 2006 @ 20:59 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19908. a nitpicky point at aocdzm
       because the ibs gives a pair of tripoint coords down to tenths of a second or roughly 3 meter accuracy in this rare case only one of which oddly enough is
       Sep 13, 2006 @ 02:14 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19909. aonazm where alpha & omega apocopate a pleonasm
       this monumented tripoint position is rendered so precisely in a 1964 aozm report that it is incomprehensible without a reference datum the following
       Sep 13, 2006 @ 02:37 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19910. report aeqasa disputants have reset their snooze alarm zzzzz
       http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=reutersEdge&storyID=2006-09-12T113227Z_01_L06736979_RTRUKOC_0_US-ENERGY-GULF-BORDERS.xml for previous wake
       Sep 13, 2006 @ 11:52 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19911. arbocl still looking fat because zapaleri summit is elusive
       satpic attached with best guessed tripoint stretching diagram as usual but the difficulties here are far greater than usual for one thing a contour examination
       Sep 13, 2006 @ 14:26 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19912. arbopy
       this tripoint is legally locked in where the rio pilcomayo thalweg crosses the meridian of w long 62d37m19s but of course the thalweg must wiggle around a bit
       Sep 13, 2006 @ 20:15 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19913. arbrpy & arbruy but not necessarily in that order
       judging from the differences in color of the rivers iguacu & parana as seen on the google earth satpic i believe the arbrpy tripoint at their thalweg junction
       Sep 14, 2006 @ 13:44 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19914. Re: [BoundaryPoint] montenegro now mj & serbia rb but yikes what was this yi
       Jesper, As soon as any new country name is recognized by the UN, the ISO asks the government of the country what code it wants. After the country responds,
       Sep 15, 2006 @ 02:55 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19915. amazge
       http://sunsite.berkeley.edu:8085/azerbaijan/100k/K-38-103.jpg authoritatively depicts this inherited tripoint on a ridge line about a kilometer southwest of a
       Sep 15, 2006 @ 03:26 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19916. amazire
       http://sunsite.berkeley.edu:8085/azerbaijan/100k/J-38-046.jpg authoritatively shows this tripoint at the intersection of a ridge line which is the amaz
       Sep 15, 2006 @ 17:34 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19917. but lo amazge amazire & now amazirw with amaztr & amgetr to go
       wondering as we began armenia a couple of tripoints ago if anyone would be amazed enough at amazge to even utter gee seeing as we arrived so abruptly &
       Sep 15, 2006 @ 20:00 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19918. amaztr
       http://sunsite.berkeley.edu:8085/azerbaijan/100k/J-38-006.jpg authoritatively even if not very clearly seems to depict the tripoint at the intersection of a
       Sep 15, 2006 @ 23:05 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19919. amgetr
       happily it turns out thanx to yet another lucky rediscovery i am getter of the amgetr map too http://sunsite.berkeley.edu:8085/x-ussr/100k/K-38-099.jpg tho you
       Sep 15, 2006 @ 23:38 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19920. atczde if not also atchde but dont forget atczsk in between
       it was easy to decide atczde comes before atchde alphabetically as soon as i realized that that is in fact the order observed by the magically mysterious
       Sep 16, 2006 @ 03:36 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19921. questions to atczsk
       clearly the tripoint is where the thaya joins the morava atcz is thaya czsk upper morava atsk lower morava but not having seen any of the treaties i dont know
       Sep 17, 2006 @ 14:17 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19922. Proposed boundaries for division of Texas, 1850's
       Some of us study ghost boundaries and their tripoints, but here is an interesting study in stillborn boundaries and tripoints. In 1853, Frederick Law Olmsted
       Sep 17, 2006 @ 23:09 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@wildblue.net>)
19923. Re: is independent bakassi tripoint subsumed by greater ambazanian one
       or more explicitly http://www.unpo.org/article.php?id=5227 http://www.tribune.com.ng/11082006/politics.html with a not fully satisfactory explanation
       Aug 28, 2006 @ 14:01 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19924. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: is independent bakassi tripoint subsumed by greater ambazanian one
       would you believe a fourth try & thanx for your patience & or indulgence in the event of any actual multiplication ...
       Aug 29, 2006 @ 11:48 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19925. Re: SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is reportedly undelineated & definitely elusive
       thanx again got it & have been playing with it all day very nice indeed & you already realize these border depictions cant be trusted at all except as spurious
       Sep 07, 2006 @ 03:28 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19926. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: is independent bakassi tripoint subsumed by greater ambazanian one
       ... it was not hahaha oops again so lets try this one more time if you wont mind ...
       Aug 28, 2006 @ 23:51 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19927. copy of another lost message that may yet arrive in duplicate
       responding to jesper & the google earth tripoint positions ... (http://66.77.122.13/International/Country.aspx?Country=Bulgaria ...
       Sep 07, 2006 @ 10:32 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19928. hmm should i make another retry
       following is a third try to post the following begun yesterday thus attaining a rare bp multihood already today tho not nearly a bp record yet i am also
       Sep 07, 2006 @ 13:26 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19929. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Proposed boundaries for division of Texas, 1850's
       nice try tex & er free scope of expression & evidently just what was needed to shake loose my following half dozen messages which had been lost in the ether
       Sep 18, 2006 @ 04:06 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19930. athusk
       this is my most hesitant try of the tour so far because i realize jesper has actually visited this place & i havent so what right do i have to second guess his
       Sep 18, 2006 @ 04:20 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19931. athusi
       this is another tripoint that is hidden by woods on the satpic & i havent found a decent detail map of it yet either but from the looks of the michelin
       Sep 18, 2006 @ 15:18 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19932. atitsi
       the well known tripoint marker at least looks like it may stand upon the exact summit point of mt forno http://www.vasa.abo.fi/users/rpalmber/SAI8.jpg & the
       Sep 18, 2006 @ 19:35 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19933. atchit
       the attached satpic cum tripoint stretching diagram is based on several pretty good maps
       Sep 19, 2006 @ 00:31 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19934. atchlin & atchlis complete the austrian 9
       the attached tripoint stretching diagram for atchlin is based on an excellent austrian zoomable map with a better aerial photo than the satpic provided by
       Sep 19, 2006 @ 15:27 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19935. & azgeru & azirtr complete the azerbaijan 6 & the letter a
       azgeru http://sunsite.berkeley.edu:8085/azerbaijan/100k/K-38-081.jpg azirtr http://sunsite.berkeley.edu:8085/azerbaijan/100k/J-38-018.jpg so both of the
       Sep 19, 2006 @ 19:46 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19936. de facto canada denmark tartupaluk tripoints north & south
       that would be cadktan & cadktas in normal beepyese http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=3ee12855-0a73-4399-82ab-3bb28eb586af or points 123
       Sep 19, 2006 @ 23:38 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19937. probably us2iamn3alho4iojenee
       it was difficult at first to figure out what tripoint if any is marked by this first & oldest marker on the iamn state line
       Sep 19, 2006 @ 23:38 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19938. ahh possibly lost again at bdinmm we are
       this one is perhaps more difficult than most the ibs says the inmm convergent runs along a drainage divide & the encarta depiction strongly suggests the
       Sep 20, 2006 @ 15:02 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19939. Armin Weist
       Hi, does anybody of you mirrored the site of Armin Weist about the Berlin enclaves and exclaves? He died not very long ago, so his site disappeared. You can
       Sep 21, 2006 @ 20:59 - Chris Schulz ("Chris Schulz" <wertkauf@...>)
19940. byltlv
       best known map http://www.angelfire.com/blues/riba/map/llbma1.jpg accordingly best guessed position on the attached google earth tripoint stretching diagram
       Sep 21, 2006 @ 22:28 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19941. bylvru
       best known map & presumably correct extrapolation http://geosite.jankrogh.com/borders/bylvru/bylvru_map.htm so the attached tripoint stretching diagram
       Sep 21, 2006 @ 22:46 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19942. byltpl
       best known map http://geosite.jankrogh.com/images/byltpl_map.jpg again compliments of jan & tripoint correcting diagram based on it is attached
       Sep 21, 2006 @ 23:02 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19943. byplua
       http://sunsite.berkeley.edu:8085/x-ussr/100k/M-34-024.jpg attached tripoint stretching diagram shows midriver position opposite south bank of defunct canal
       Sep 21, 2006 @ 23:16 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19944. byruua
       http://sunsite.berkeley.edu:8085/x-ussr/100k/N-36-136.jpg the attached tripont stretching diagram is fairly gratuitous because it essentially replicates
       Sep 21, 2006 @ 23:27 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19945. stretching the quest for a real stretchable latex tripoint to stretch
       this fresh news item about an imminent neutral ground cleanup party http://www.2theadvocate.com/features/travel/4201376.html jogged my memory back to this
       Sep 22, 2006 @ 16:52 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19946. Re: [BoundaryPoint] stretching the quest for a real stretchable latex tripoint to stretch
       The map that I promised was a map of the 1806-1819 de facto Neutral Ground, worked out as a practical solution between the American and Spanish military
       Sep 22, 2006 @ 20:40 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19947. Re: stretching the quest for a real stretchable latex tripoint to stretch
       well ok i am very glad i asked then even if i seem to you driven when i am only mildly & playfully curious & might never have thought of this long forgotten
       Sep 23, 2006 @ 01:12 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19948. befrlu
       attached tripoint stretching diagram follows michelin & mapy zoomables as well as http://www.aive.be/cartotheque/consultpash/sbh/carte_pdf/42_43.pdf but
       Sep 23, 2006 @ 01:14 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19949. bedelu triline
       in this special case the short white line overlay on the attached google earth satpic is n o t the usual tripoint stretching diagram instead this line overlay
       Sep 23, 2006 @ 01:41 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19950. bedenl
       almost didnt attach a tripoint stretching diagram here since i basically agree with the borderbase pushpin position but if anything i would move it very
       Sep 23, 2006 @ 01:46 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19951. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: stretching the quest for a real stretchable latex tripoint to stretch
       I think that we are making great progress here. Please see my insertions below. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: aletheia kallos
       Sep 23, 2006 @ 05:43 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19952. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: stretching the quest for a real stretchable latex tripoint to stretch
       yikes lowell my question now as always is indeed just about the tripoint & i am often amazed & amused at how you keep losing track of or overlooking or
       Sep 23, 2006 @ 09:13 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19953. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: stretching the quest for a real stretchable latex tripoint to stretch
       Please see my insertions. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: aletheia kallos To:
       Sep 23, 2006 @ 20:33 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19954. bfbjne a show stopper of sorts
       after belgium the alphabetically next country name in english on the world class tour is benin aka bj in iso & tho bfbjtg has been marked by a borderbase
       Sep 23, 2006 @ 22:33 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19955. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: stretching the quest for a real stretchable latex tripoint to stretch
       ok great so with this explanation & blessing from you i am happy to buy the map at the bottom of haggard & to then renew the search for this at least notional
       Sep 23, 2006 @ 22:26 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19956. bjneng
       yikes the recent judicial change from median line to thalweg http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/19361 seems easily perceptible in the attached
       Sep 23, 2006 @ 22:45 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19957. bfbjtg
       best available dope http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/19272 resulting in the attached best guessed tripoint stretching diagram
       Sep 23, 2006 @ 22:44 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19958. bjneng with the attachment attached this time oops
       yikes the recent judicial change from median line to thalweg http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/19361 seems easily perceptible in the attached
       Sep 23, 2006 @ 23:18 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19959. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: stretching the quest for a real stretchable latex tripoint to stretch
       Great! Using your arbitrary center for Bayou Pierre Lake, I put my notional tripoint about one-half to three-quarters of a mile southwest of yours, on the
       Sep 24, 2006 @ 00:19 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19960. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: stretching the quest for a real stretchable latex tripoint to stretch
       See the first paragraph at http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/presiden/sou/jeffmes6.htm for President Thomas Jefferson to the Congress on the Bayou Pierre
       Sep 24, 2006 @ 01:07 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19961. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: stretching the quest for a real stretchable latex tripoint to stretch
       thats comforting & i would like to learn your method of getting there too even as i clownishly extemporized my own landing at the airport runway crossing for i
       Sep 24, 2006 @ 06:05 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19962. notional la latex tex tripoint in the home stretch
       here is my revised best guessed position http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=32.06898&lon=-93.76212&size=l&u=4&datum=nad27&layer=DRG for most sensible
       Sep 24, 2006 @ 16:50 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19963. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: stretching the quest for a real stretchable latex tripoint to stretch
       I found my notional tripoint south of the airport by using a one-foot ruler and a map on which Bayou Pierre Lake and the 32° x 94° confluence are eleven
       Sep 24, 2006 @ 19:49 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19964. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: stretching the quest for a real stretchable latex tripoint to stretch
       ok great i have been lost along the mcmahon line all afternoon trying to stretch out de facto notional btcnine for prime time too but thanxx for all these
       Sep 24, 2006 @ 22:59 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19965. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: stretching the quest for a real stretchable latex tripoint to stretch
       & finally please find attached first a next & probably last best guessed full depiction of the north boundary or closing line of the latex neutral ground
       Sep 25, 2006 @ 00:12 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19966. extra disputed btcnine
       the tripoint location depends first on whether you believe india or china about who legally owns the indian state of arunachal pradesh as you can see here
       Sep 25, 2006 @ 01:39 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19967. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: stretching the quest for a real stretchable latex tripoint to stretch
       Please see my two insertions below. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: aletheia kallos To:
       Sep 25, 2006 @ 01:49 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19968. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: stretching the quest for a real stretchable latex tripoint to stretch
       hahaha ok but this better be good i am prepared to move the northeast corner one more time at most but this time you are going to have to tell me exactly where
       Sep 25, 2006 @ 02:33 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19969. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: stretching the quest for a real stretchable latex tripoint to stretch
       The Bayou Pierre settlement [BP] is the hamlet now known as Carmel. It is located at 250 feet of elevation, well up into the hills, about two miles west of
       Sep 25, 2006 @ 03:58 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19970. btcninw
       believable but insufficiently detailed cia map http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/sikkim.jpg sufficiently detailed but unbelievable soviet map
       Sep 25, 2006 @ 03:57 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19971. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: stretching the quest for a real stretchable latex tripoint to stretch
       hahaha & no wonder it took you so long to get ready with all that extra erudition you had to pack in but you have at least shown that the west bank of bayou
       Sep 25, 2006 @ 06:27 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19972. bobrpy
       there is good authority for the midstream borderbase pushpin position http://www.info.lncc.br/wrmkkk/bo3dd.html & if the 3 convergent borders were known to
       Sep 25, 2006 @ 15:26 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19973. czech tripoints
       At page mapy.cz you can see several nice aerial pictures, which are covering goodly part of country. Here some samples: atczsk tp: http://tiny.pl/7s9p czplsk
       Sep 25, 2006 @ 18:00 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@...>)
19974. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: stretching the quest for a real stretchable latex tripoint to stretch
       Please see my insertions below. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: aletheia kallos To:
       Sep 26, 2006 @ 00:43 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
19975. Re: [BoundaryPoint] czech tripoints
       thanx artur this is clearer than google earth & fun to operate too still it wont quite pinpoint or confirm the elusive czplsk tripoint for example so if you
       Sep 26, 2006 @ 01:13 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19976. Re: stretching the quest for a real stretchable latex tripoint to stretch
       ... hahahaha thank you thank you indeed pack point or cook i like to distinguish the erudite pot from the extra
       Sep 26, 2006 @ 01:35 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19977. bobrpe
       jesper in addition to thanking you yet again for bringing us this magnificent new google earth toy the value of which has only grown in my estimation with the
       Sep 26, 2006 @ 02:18 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19978. boclpe
       the probably correct monumented tripoint position is indicated by the little red square in the attached tripoint stretching diagram as based on & recollected
       Sep 26, 2006 @ 11:36 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19979. SV: [BoundaryPoint] boclpe
       Yes. Images over BOCLPE was improved on GE s images on August 28 as per http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/postlist.php?Cat=0
       Sep 26, 2006 @ 12:03 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@...>)
19980. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] boclpe
       thanx great & by all means please do correct or improve upon everything you can my feelers cant be hurt indeed zeroing in on & finding the actual tripoint is
       Sep 26, 2006 @ 12:40 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19981. SV: [BoundaryPoint] arbocl still looking fat because zapaleri summit is elusive
       My placemark is strangely placed on the slope of the hill. I guess GE may have adjusted the terrain. I will adjust accordingly. I wonder if this is actually
       Sep 26, 2006 @ 12:48 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@...>)
19982. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] arbocl still looking fat because zapaleri summit is elusive
       yikes but is he the name of the marker or do you mean he as in here or he as in hehe or just he as in he my transsexagenarian eye makes him out as a tent he is
       Sep 26, 2006 @ 13:51 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19983. SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] arbocl still looking fat because zapaleri summit is elusive
       In front of tent. He=is -- Borderbase - your online guide to international borders and tripoints http://www.nicolette.dk/borderbase _____ Fra:
       Sep 26, 2006 @ 13:57 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@...>)
19984. Re: SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] arbocl still looking fat because zapaleri summit is elusive
       whattt he equals is in latin & this is latin america but i do see a light triangular form now in front of the tent so you are wondering if this form isnt the
       Sep 26, 2006 @ 15:02 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19985. SV: [BoundaryPoint] atczde if not also atchde but dont forget atczsk in between
       This difficult ATCZDE is based on personal visit and location in a clearing. Jesper -- Borderbase - your online guide to international borders and tripoints
       Sep 26, 2006 @ 15:08 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@...>)
19986. Re: SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] arbocl still looking fat because zapaleri summit is elusive
       i can now confirm the location of the photo showing the tent & triangular form is out of the arbocl ballpark since this ballpark is entirely puna like as
       Sep 26, 2006 @ 15:43 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19987. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] atczde if not also atchde but dont forget atczsk in between
       yes & this is a case where arturs new czech satpix are much clearer than the google earth & indeed actually show some clearings so have a better look for the
       Sep 26, 2006 @ 15:59 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19988. atczde retry
       this is a little silly of me since you have already been there in the flesh jesper but using the trusty looking czech map overlay & satpic in combination &
       Sep 26, 2006 @ 18:00 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19989. SV: [BoundaryPoint] atczde retry
       Sure. I reached the same conclussion after visiting the cz site. Jesper -- Borderbase - your online guide to international borders and tripoints
       Sep 26, 2006 @ 18:28 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@...>)
19990. the erstwhile bacshrn & bacshrs if not bahrrb & bahrmj now in isofips
       & thats bosnia croatia serbia today in the first instance & bosnia croatia montenegro today in the second in plain barbarian english & for the former i have
       Sep 26, 2006 @ 20:53 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19991. Andorra tripoint
       at red dot on http://www.degulesider.dk/vbw/kort/resultat.do?x=539399
       Sep 27, 2006 @ 17:44 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@...>)
19992. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Andorra tripoint
       What is an Andorra tripoint doing in the middle of Denmark? Roger & out.
       Sep 27, 2006 @ 18:08 - Roger ("Roger" <rogerdwmac@...>)
19993. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Andorra tripoint
       tis a puzzlement are you guiding us to something like is someone resting at this place & youd like us to tell you who it is or would you say again what you do
       Sep 27, 2006 @ 18:25 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19994. darkest africa in a better light
       well the tour did arrive in bwanaland this morning as promised & of course zoomed straight in to our great bwana zoom zoo the bwnazmzw quadripoint or
       Sep 27, 2006 @ 19:50 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
19995. bwnaza & bwzazw
       the bwnaza pushpin looks perfect just where the left bank of the dry nossob river bed crosses the 20th meridian as indicated by the longitude registry at
       Sep 27, 2006 @ 20:09 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19996. Re: Andorra tripoint
       aha haha great puzzle joke but you may have to crane your neck & squint a little to get it http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/p/m/a6937/
       Sep 27, 2006 @ 23:25 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
19997. back to bwnazmzw or rather bwnazm & bwzmzw
       the white line overlay with the 2 little red squares at the ends on the attached google earth satpic is not a standard tripoint stretching diagram at all this
       Sep 27, 2006 @ 23:58 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19998. bogus djeret try up for another illegal stalemate renewal
       & today bwanas & bibis tho we were expected back in brazil the tour takes another surprise screeching left turn over to djeret or rather over to turtle bay
       Sep 28, 2006 @ 16:05 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
19999. SV: [BoundaryPoint] athusk
       Yes. ATHUSK is strangely very hard. The image is very good, and there are so many clues. Inspite of two visits, plenty of photos and a video I am still not
       Sep 28, 2006 @ 20:03 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@nicolette.dk>)
20000. SV: [BoundaryPoint] atitsi
       Even though I believe the tp is the summit I have not placed the pin at the summit according to GE, as I believe GE got the terrain wrong. Compare the light
       Sep 28, 2006 @ 20:25 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@...>)
20001. SV: [BoundaryPoint] atchit
       Thanks for the wonderfull zoomable map from AT. Even though been there, good tools is neccessary at the poor image tps. However I believe the tp should be at
       Sep 28, 2006 @ 20:38 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@...>)
20002. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] athusk
       ok thanx what direction is the camera facing in this new pic in view of your new guess & pending your answer to the above i am beginning to think the tripoint
       Sep 28, 2006 @ 21:07 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20003. SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] athusk
       Facing Hungary. Hard to tell, too many rocks. Jesper -- Borderbase - your online guide to international borders and tripoints
       Sep 28, 2006 @ 21:17 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@...>)
20004. SV: [BoundaryPoint] ahh possibly lost again at bdinmm we are
       Amazing to find so high resolution in this area. Best available map at http://sunsite.berkeley.edu:8085/india/250k/nf46_10.jpg Jesper -- Borderbase - your
       Sep 28, 2006 @ 22:03 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@...>)
20005. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] atitsi
       yes i can certainly understand & agree if you dont trust the google earth mouse probe altitude values per se nor the exact geocoord registry nor the obviously
       Sep 28, 2006 @ 22:06 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
20006. SV: [BoundaryPoint] byltlv
       U may like this too. 1:10 000 -- Borderbase - your online guide to international borders and tripoints http://www.nicolette.dk/borderbase _____ Fra:
       Sep 28, 2006 @ 22:13 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@nicolette.dk>)
20007. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] atchit
       ok great i can go for that a lot easier than where the pushpin now is ...
       Sep 28, 2006 @ 22:19 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20008. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] ahh possibly lost again at bdinmm we are
       bravo it certainly is & it seems to confirm the tripoint is on the ridge line & perhaps even at a ridge trijunction for i cant be sure about that owing to the
       Sep 28, 2006 @ 23:20 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
20009. BEFRLU
       BEFRLU from new angle http://lb.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr%C3%A4il%C3%A4nnereck -- Borderbase - your online guide to international borders and tripoints
       Sep 29, 2006 @ 10:00 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@...>)
20010. SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] atitsi
       http://www.kranjska-gora.si/index.php?i=305 - last image - click on it. Nice 360 degree panorma. The tp rock is
       Sep 29, 2006 @ 10:16 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@...>)
20011. Re: SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] atitsi
       what a treat many thanxxx now i hardly even have to go to europe in 2008 as last promised & i also see we do very much agree here that the tripoint is at the
       Sep 29, 2006 @ 15:45 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20012. SV: [BoundaryPoint] byltpl
       My pin is based on personal visit. The light line is offcourse the vista, and I interpret the dark area as the river. But it s hard to tell what is what as
       Sep 29, 2006 @ 15:59 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@...>)
20013. SV: [BoundaryPoint] befrlu
       Without a higher resolution it s difficult to figure out what s going on there. Attached better map. Jesper -- Borderbase - your online guide to international
       Sep 29, 2006 @ 16:23 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@nicolette.dk>)
20014. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BEFRLU
       bravo again this is a new state of play here if i am not mistaken http://lb.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:3LännereckRodange01.jpg or at least it is for me for if i
       Sep 29, 2006 @ 16:50 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20015. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] byltpl
       well i think i can tell the river in this enlargement as a light area http://article.gmane.org/gmane.culture.discuss.boundary-point/9268 because it perfectly
       Sep 29, 2006 @ 17:18 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20016. SV: [BoundaryPoint] BEFRLU
       I agree, satpic too unclear. On GCEBE 2001 we had much discussion of the actual tripoint, as Peter s map showed BEFR parallel with the stream. Parallel with
       Sep 29, 2006 @ 19:23 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@...>)
20017. SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] byltpl
       There may actually we a slight bend http://www.vasa.abo.fi/users/rpalmber/BLP7.jpg Jesper -- Borderbase - your online guide to international borders and
       Sep 29, 2006 @ 19:48 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@...>)
20018. SV: [BoundaryPoint] bedelu triline
       No. The triline goes accross the entire river. Jesper -- Borderbase - your online guide to international borders and tripoints
       Sep 29, 2006 @ 19:57 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@nicolette.dk>)
20019. SV: [BoundaryPoint] bedenl
       May even have to move it further south. Look how close it stands to the tower: http://home.concepts.nl/~menkveld/rhome/valkenburg/valkenburg.html Jesper --
       Sep 29, 2006 @ 20:11 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@...>)
20020. Re: SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] byltpl
       aha yes indeed eureka for this wonderful pic certainly seems to show that the bypl clearcut centerline boundary deviates slightly to the east here as it
       Sep 29, 2006 @ 20:37 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20021. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] BEFRLU
       great i will of course stand by for any further clarifications from europe but looking on from this side of the pond & so long as we still havent seen any of
       Sep 29, 2006 @ 20:39 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20022. RE: [BoundaryPoint] bedelu triline
       No - for once I agree with Mike :) The east half of the line is only dedelu (which then turns and continues down down the east bank for some kms) - be doesn t
       Sep 29, 2006 @ 20:51 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
20023. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] bedelu triline
       hahahaha excuuuse me the condo goes across the river all right which is probably what you were thinking & meant but the triline does not go across the whole
       Sep 29, 2006 @ 20:51 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20024. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] atitsi
       Jesper wrote: Strangely on second last 360 degree panorama Tromeja photo along ITSI (you see the last markers) at
       Sep 29, 2006 @ 21:42 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@wildblue.net>)
20025. brcope
       back to brazil to pick up its 5 remaining & northernmost tripoints on top of the 4 more southerly ones already bagged alphabetically with argentina & bolivia
       Sep 29, 2006 @ 23:21 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
20026. Re: bogus djeret try up for another illegal stalemate renewal
       this time a 4 month renewal was decided upon with new threats added rather than the usual 6 or 3 month renewal with the regular old threats
       Sep 29, 2006 @ 23:19 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
20027. brcove
       per the ibs & according to the various treaties cited by them the tripoint falls on the thalweg of the rio negro near the great rock of cucui & just southeast
       Sep 30, 2006 @ 05:28 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
20028. SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] BEFRLU
       I think Harry argument was something in line with it being the wrong marker on the wrong territory. If the confluence is the tp, the marker is in BE, so if the
       Sep 30, 2006 @ 14:56 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@...>)
20029. SV: SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] byltpl
       The last BYPL marker is seen in between the two national markers at?
       Sep 30, 2006 @ 14:48 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@...>)
20030. just testing to probe server anomaly so feel free to ignore or multiply
       if this message arrives at bp any time soon please expect 4 others that have been lost in ether since this morning which i will now simply repost with revived
       Sep 30, 2006 @ 21:53 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20031. SV: [BoundaryPoint] bfbjne a show stopper of sorts
       This one is missing in the bulk by error. My guess is found here: http://nicolette.dk/borderbase/tripoint.php?c1=14
       Sep 30, 2006 @ 23:32 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@nicolette.dk>)
20032. Re: SV: SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] byltpl
       aha you must mean the almost invisible little gray boxy thing & in that case i should think this marker in conjunction with the larger concrete marker at the
       Sep 30, 2006 @ 18:12 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20033. SV: [BoundaryPoint] bfbjtg
       Best available online map Jesper -- Borderbase - your online guide to international borders and tripoints http://www.nicolette.dk/borderbase _____ Fra:
       Sep 30, 2006 @ 23:46 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@nicolette.dk>)
20034. SV: [BoundaryPoint] bjneng
       No attachment here. Jesper -- Borderbase - your online guide to international borders and tripoints http://www.nicolette.dk/borderbase _____ Fra:
       Sep 30, 2006 @ 23:52 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@...>)
20035. Re: SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] BEFRLU
       i agree it looks like a belu marker to me also & i too place it in belgian territory since it is in the crotch between the befr & belu streams but what it is
       Sep 30, 2006 @ 17:22 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20036. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] bjneng
       oops right you are here it is again for a third try or rather attached at last for the first time i hope & for my part as i notice some of my lost messages are
       Oct 01, 2006 @ 02:54 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
20037. brfrsr aka brgfsr & while in suriname brgysr too but lotsa luck
       http://www.sam.usace.army.mil/en/wra/ Suriname/Suriname%20GroundWaterMap.pdf shows the disputed positions for both of the suriname tripoints as well as a
       Sep 30, 2006 @ 18:53 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
20038. Re: bedelu triline
       hahaha thanx for carrying that torch hugh i agree with jesper tho too in morning light in his apparent objection to my attempted triline depiction as it is
       Sep 30, 2006 @ 14:53 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
20039. SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: bedelu triline
       No. Keep your first guess. Offcourse you and Hugh are right. The stream is very narrow here, and what looks like water is shadow. Jesper -- Borderbase - your
       Oct 01, 2006 @ 08:35 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@...>)
20040. SV: SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] BEFRLU
       No other markers were found. But it was an awfull wet day, and we were tired after a week on the road. It s a very accessable place in central Europe so I am
       Oct 01, 2006 @ 08:32 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@...>)
20041. SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] bjneng
       Greenwich/geocord issue http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/showthreaded.php/Cat/0/Number/30500/page/0/vc/1 _____ Fra: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
       Oct 01, 2006 @ 11:28 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@...>)
20042. Re: SV: SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] BEFRLU
       well harry seems to have found at least part of another marker possibly the second of a pair of belu terminal mates
       Oct 01, 2006 @ 13:19 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20043. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] Re: bedelu triline
       hahaha you are so emphatic when you say no but i see of course you are right this time too ...
       Oct 01, 2006 @ 15:34 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20044. google earth coord accuracy was Re: SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] bjneng etc
       ok thanx & i have just belatedly done my own homework on this too & have indeed found google earth quite reliable & sharp this time say to within about 10
       Oct 01, 2006 @ 15:31 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20045. SV: google earth coord accuracy was Re: SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] bjneng etc
       But on the other hand I do believe that Google Earth hads ajusted some images since version 1 of my GE tripoint list. Some of the Asian ones were to way off my
       Oct 01, 2006 @ 15:44 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@...>)
20046. Re: SV: SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] BEFRLU
       Hello. On the detailed map that Jesper provided some time ago, border markers are shown as circles. At the Dreilaennereck it says: Bnes 1. That means Bornes 1,
       Oct 01, 2006 @ 15:37 - Harry ten Veen (Harry ten Veen <h.ten.veen@...>)
20047. SV: SV: SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] BEFRLU
       Thanks Harry, Nice to see that LU now has place a red tp monument.(http://www.grenspalen.com/gp-belux-001beide-20060210-jd.jpg) Jesper -- Borderbase - your
       Oct 01, 2006 @ 15:54 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@...>)
20048. SV: SV: SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] BEFRLU
       Attachment from French GIS site and linking to LU http://www.gismosel.lu/moselims/map/LuxMap.asp?MapPan=true
       Oct 01, 2006 @ 16:03 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@nicolette.dk>)
20049. SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] bjneng
       http://nicolette.dk/borderbase/tripoint.php?c1=14&c2=22&c3=104&orientation is not
       Oct 01, 2006 @ 16:54 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@...>)
20050. Re: google earth coord accuracy was Re: SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] bjneng etc
       For what it s worth, I pointed out to Google Earth a mistake in its delineation of the Irish border, which has since been corrected. Roger & out.
       Oct 01, 2006 @ 18:29 - Roger ("Roger" <rogerdwmac@...>)
20051. google earth coord accuracy was Re: SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] bjneng etc
       haha maybe we should send them all the tripoint stretching diagrams too then yikes would it be that easy
       Oct 01, 2006 @ 19:18 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
20052. Re: [BoundaryPoint] brfrsr aka brgfsr & while in suriname brgysr too but lotsa luck
       first so you can at least see what i mean about these 5 major surinamese multipoints or probabilities http://tinyurl.com/em5x6 & then because this is a
       Oct 01, 2006 @ 20:16 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
20053. bfbjne was crosswired to Re: SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] bjneng
       ok got it thanx but would still drop the tripoint 5 or 6 hundred meters downriver or northeast
       Oct 01, 2006 @ 20:43 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20054. SV: google earth coord accuracy was Re: SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] bjneng etc
       The problem is I guess there is no supplier of border line data. -- Borderbase - your online guide to international borders and tripoints
       Oct 01, 2006 @ 21:11 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@...>)
20055. brgyve
       tho it is technically somewhat disputed by venezuela http://www.law.fsu.edu/library/collection/LimitsinSeas/maps/bs21.html the generally accepted tripoint
       Oct 01, 2006 @ 21:59 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
20056. still slowing up on the way to bulgaria for the former bgcsro etc
       on the heels of such gratifying completion of brazil at brgyve last nite i was just noticing & realizing this morning we have only bulgaria & burkina faso &
       Oct 02, 2006 @ 16:01 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20057. Re: SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] BEFRLU
       ... ago, border markers are shown as circles. ... Bornes 1, also Border markers #1. So there are more than one, probably two markers. ... together, the one
       Oct 02, 2006 @ 18:10 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20058. bzgtmx
       but to continue with the deliberations about where the next stop should be there is an additional difficulty awaiting us in bulgaria that wouldnt at all be
       Oct 03, 2006 @ 07:31 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
20059. yikes new serbia & montenegro iso codes have indeed finally been announced
       serbia rs montengro me http://www.iso.org/iso/fr/prods-services/iso3166ma/03updates-on-iso-3166/nlv12-div.html so it was very much worth slowing down for them
       Oct 03, 2006 @ 08:24 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20060. bggrmk
       so returning to the preset itinerary & to english alphabetical orderliness we reach bulgaria at last & in fact bggrmk first the quite decent even if slightly
       Oct 03, 2006 @ 16:51 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
20061. bggrtr
       many of the best maps & even a satpic http://www.geocities.com/jesniel/ & much other received wisdom besides all seem to conspire to place the tripoint in the
       Oct 03, 2006 @ 18:30 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
20062. SV: [BoundaryPoint] yikes new serbia & montenegro iso codes have indeed finally been announced
       Guess I cannot wait much longer to update Borderbase on this issue.... -- Borderbase - your online guide to international borders and tripoints
       Oct 03, 2006 @ 21:41 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@...>)
20063. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] yikes new serbia & montenegro iso codes have indeed finally been announced
       well if you do go to the effort of adding montenegro & serbia & subtracting serbia & montenegro then how about taking the opportunity to also add bahrain &
       Oct 03, 2006 @ 23:22 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20064. ok now lets hear it for the new bgrors & bgmkrs
       since the existing pushpin already seems to nail it as well as possible on the danube thalweg opposite the timok confluence no tripoint stretching diagram is
       Oct 03, 2006 @ 23:25 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
20065. Border Volleyball
       http://wholphindvd.com/ Check it out, pretty funny thing :)
       Oct 04, 2006 @ 12:09 - wolffeuer88 ("wolffeuer88" <michaelnelson@...>)
20066. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border Volleyball
       welcome michael & great thanx nice stuff & since the volleyball court appears to be situated about 20 meters above the high tide line i do believe all the
       Oct 04, 2006 @ 13:03 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20067. bfcigh could try an iso buffs eye
       but in anglo at least the hardest to see of its 3 component digraphs is no doubt the ci indicating cote d ivoire & since we just finished bulgaria yesterday
       Oct 04, 2006 @ 23:36 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
20068. bfciml bfghtg bfmlne & on to burundi
       the bfciml pushpin correction of the google earth tripoint depiction is well within the broad confluence area of the danboro & zagoundouba rivers tho the
       Oct 06, 2006 @ 14:26 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
20069. bicdrw bicdtz birwtz & we are out of bees or are we
       if you are reading this you probably already realize it is the umpteenth in an ongoing & more or less alphabetical series comprising the boundarypoint
       Oct 07, 2006 @ 18:31 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
20070. bamers
       for this the second of the pair of new montenegro & serbia tripoints after almers which you may recall was covered more or less in order under the temporary
       Oct 10, 2006 @ 14:03 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
20071. the belgaum cyberstrike & potential in2gakamh tripoint dispute explained
       http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/stories/20061020005313100.htm http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/stories/20061020004913300.htm more detailed map of the entire
       Oct 10, 2006 @ 21:58 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20072. SV: [BoundaryPoint] bamers
       Please note that Borderbase is now updated with the division of CS and two new tps GE pushpins are placed too. Have a look at
       Oct 11, 2006 @ 05:27 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@...>)
20073. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] bamers
       thanx & i do appreciate your agreement with my almers position but cant imagine how you arrived at your bamers pushpin which seems to me gratuitously far
       Oct 11, 2006 @ 12:32 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20074. funny to see a cnlavn agreement following demarcation
       fresh report today http://www.chinapost.com.tw/asiapacific/detail.asp?ID=92524&GRP=C you may recall this photo of the tripartite marker that was installed over
       Oct 11, 2006 @ 12:45 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20075. khlath
       best known map http://www.nexus.net/~911gfx/vietnam/maps/nd48-07/nd48_07e.html confirms the ibs description of this trijunction at a pass on the preah or
       Oct 11, 2006 @ 19:31 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
20076. khlavn at the tip of the parrots beak
       best known topo http://www.rjsmith.com/tri-border-area-hcmt.html tends to confirm the ibs assessment that the tripoint is most likely at a ridge junction tho
       Oct 11, 2006 @ 20:28 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
20077. France-Luxembourg border rail crash
       Yesterday morning there was a fatal train crash in France near the border with Luxembourg which sadly involved the deaths of at least 5 people. A set of
       Oct 12, 2006 @ 08:01 - David Birch ("David Birch" <strataflorida@...>)
20078. Re: [BoundaryPoint] France-Luxembourg
       hello again david & i trust the passing years have treated you well your admittedly sad offering may be about a border but happily borders are not our topic
       Oct 12, 2006 @ 13:19 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20079. cfcmtd
       well this may be a bit confusing for newcomers & inattentive oldtimers so i will tell you we have most recently finished cambodia & are now proceeding with
       Oct 12, 2006 @ 14:57 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
20080. Re: [BoundaryPoint] France-Luxembourg
       It seems to me that Aletheia s ramblings about death are a lot further off topic than an interesting contribution about a simple border, even if, as Hamlet
       Oct 12, 2006 @ 16:26 - Roger ("Roger" <rogerdwmac@...>)
20081. Re: France-Luxembourg
       ... hahaha thanx roger & you realize i was only trying to alleviate the purported tragedy of it all but you also know our agreed topic isnt & never was simple
       Oct 12, 2006 @ 16:38 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
20082. cfcgcm
       since central african republic cf precedes chad td & congo cg in english this next tripoint is located in the river sangha presumably at the thalweg according
       Oct 12, 2006 @ 17:43 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
20083. Ramblings
       It seems to me that Aletheia s ramblings about death are a lot further off topic than an interesting contribution about a simple border was , If, as Hamlet
       Jul 10, 2006 @ 02:21 - Roger McCutcheon ("Roger McCutcheon" <rogerdwmac@...>)
20084. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: France-Luxembourg
       Fair enough, Aletheia, but you just seemed just a bit too precious about the introduction of a Border item: I am glad to belong to BorderPoint as well as
       Oct 10, 2006 @ 20:36 - Roger McCutcheon ("Roger McCutcheon" <rogerdwmac@...>)
20085. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: France-Luxembourg
       ... yes & thank goodness for the several nice border places like that too which help us here at bp to maintain our slightly strange & too precious but earnest
       Oct 12, 2006 @ 23:06 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20086. Czech Leased Territory in German then Polish Stettin
       I just came in to report on a subject previously addressed here that was left un-ended. Those of you who remember Wolfgang Schaub might be happy to hear he
       Oct 13, 2006 @ 02:17 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
20087. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: France-Luxembourg
       Here at bp ? But both Boundary and Border groups (freaks?) have equal rights to those initials, as of course does British Petroleum. Roger & out.
       Oct 11, 2006 @ 04:56 - Roger McCutcheon ("Roger McCutcheon" <rogerdwmac@...>)
20088. Re: Czech Leased Territory in German then Polish Stettin
       yikes but are you sure you just came back in to the right place len for i think you may either be confused about or disregardful of our topic & us again seeing
       Oct 13, 2006 @ 05:42 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
20089. cmngtd
       this tripoint in southwestern lake chad was fixed by the 2002 icj cameroun nigeria ruling at n lat 13d05m00s & e long 14d04m59s9999 so the attached tripoint
       Oct 13, 2006 @ 05:44 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
20090. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: France-Luxembourg
       eggzactly again roger & over easy again too but british petroleum at least wont notice us aping them in small as it were nor would we be emulating or
       Oct 13, 2006 @ 14:22 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20091. cgcmga & cmgagq complete the cameroun 5
       per brownlie & the ibs cgcmga is located at the intersection of the river ayina with north latitude 2d 10m 20s & specifically on the thalweg if discernible but
       Oct 13, 2006 @ 21:35 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
20092. Re: Czech Leased Territory in German then Polish Stettin
       I m rarely confused and almost never lost. I m always disregardful of everything contained in your atrocious wordiness, however, so you might consider
       Oct 14, 2006 @ 04:05 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
20093. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: something or other
       hahaha but did you think i was complaining hahahaha on the contrary len it is you who are complaining of my atrocity hahahahaha as well as not paying attention
       Oct 14, 2006 @ 06:52 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20094. cfsdtd
       you will probably recognize or be able to guess correctly the 3 constituent countries from their digraphs & other clues by now & tho the geoposition of this
       Oct 14, 2006 @ 19:08 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
20095. Re: something or other
       Did I think you were complaining? Yes, and in a most belittling way. I also thought, rightly so, that you were once again demonstrating your lack of people
       Oct 15, 2006 @ 01:20 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
20096. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: something or other
       hahahahaha you are the consummate victim of all my atrocities hahahahahaha ... === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do
       Oct 15, 2006 @ 01:32 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20097. cdcfcg
       country name identifications & best available zoomable
       Oct 15, 2006 @ 02:37 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
20098. Re: Ramblings
       & more over easy again roger so far as i know anyway here at bp meaning here at boundarypoint is the worlds first & oldest usage of that term or phrase having
       Oct 15, 2006 @ 14:56 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20099. oops 20th century usage of here at bp was actually divided into here & at bp
       the full & undivided expression here at bp was first used here at bp in 2001 tho bp was written in full caps in that instance
       Oct 15, 2006 @ 19:59 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20100. Re: something or other
       The more hahas you spew, the more evident your retreat is and the more grandiose your self denial. Trouble is, it isn t funny, because I m not your only
       Oct 16, 2006 @ 00:18 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
20101. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: something or other
       thanx it was all pointless anyway which was until now my only point & i was just having too much fun with you so rest easy but there really are no victims of
       Oct 16, 2006 @ 13:34 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20102. & cdcfsd concludes the central african republic
       so we come again to my personal favorite tripoint & likely the grandest tripoint marker in the entire world class which was pictured & fully explained here at
       Oct 16, 2006 @ 23:26 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20103. & lynetd lysdtd & nengtd complete the chad 6
       both lynetd & lysdtd were fixed by colonial convention at integral or half degrees of latitude & longitude as detailed here per brownlie
       Oct 18, 2006 @ 00:07 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
20104. just a guess but escaped sniffer dog may be trying for bcidmt
       fresh scent http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=2580030 & as the attached stylized depiction of his former leash indicates eddies last reported position on
       Oct 18, 2006 @ 13:32 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
20105. Re: [BoundaryPoint] just a guess but escaped sniffer dog may be trying for bcidmt
       From the veggies in the background, I tend to doubt the Associated Press s assertion that the photo of Eddie was taken in Montana. I suggest, rather, Texas,
       Oct 18, 2006 @ 14:37 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
20106. asmara firmly reoccupies tsz making eebc eret delineation de facto front ier
       unmee becoming totally irrelevant http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx?articleid=287065&area=/breaking_news/breaking_news__africa/ thus the djeret & eretsd
       Oct 18, 2006 @ 14:54 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20107. Re: just a guess but escaped sniffer dog may be trying for bcidmt
       aha & thanx i am flattered especially if i was actually caught stretching the point of bp & please imagine my spotless return smiley inserted here but of
       Oct 18, 2006 @ 15:13 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
20108. the final dozen chinese tripoints begins with but a single step
       of course china leads the world by far in world class tripoints with 16 & even after afcnpk afcntj btcnine & btcninw which were already visited on this tour in
       Oct 19, 2006 @ 17:24 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
20109. Re: just a guess but escaped sniffer dog may be trying for bcidmt
       good news but it turns out eddie is just a sniffer & not a tripoint stretching dog after all
       Oct 19, 2006 @ 17:34 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
20110. Updates at Border Crossing Hitlist
       As you probably know Serbia&Montenegro split into two seperate countries in June 2006. The Hitlist is now updated is this matter. According to the rule Old
       Oct 19, 2006 @ 21:01 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@...>)
20111. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Updates at Border Crossing Hitlist
       yes & as you also probably know tho it evidently does bear repeating for anyone who is still confused or who may have become confused since the last time it
       Oct 20, 2006 @ 00:02 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20112. Joke?
       I do not understand this group. All you seem to do is argue about content, write funny and the same person posts almost all the messages (or most of them). Sad
       Oct 20, 2006 @ 00:17 - borisinamerica ("borisinamerica" <borisinamerica@...>)
20113. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Joke?
       welcome boris & yes if you dont understand & are sad & bored besides then you must need a joke be multiple & fructify ...
       Oct 20, 2006 @ 03:55 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20114. cninnpe
       on jongsang peak at over 24500 feet above sea level cninnpe is the highest tripoint in the world best available maps
       Oct 20, 2006 @ 04:58 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
20115. Re: Joke?
       Hi Boris, you ve summed up quite nicely the destructive effects of a single person s actions, who suddenly decided that BoundaryPoint would be about a single
       Oct 20, 2006 @ 11:42 - Anton Zeilinger ("Anton Zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
20116. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Joke?
       thanx anton good idea & it is true that members may discuss anything they like here at bp tho i believe these curious notions of destruction & blasting are
       Oct 20, 2006 @ 13:41 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20117. Re: Joke?
       Dear Mike, I hope you will excuse if I do not reply to your usual eloquent soliloquy. We all know that you are the smartest person on earth and it would be
       Oct 20, 2006 @ 15:04 - Anton Zeilinger ("Anton Zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
20118. cninnpw
       best available maps appear to agree http://mapy.mk.cvut.cz/data/Centr._Asia/Topo%20maps_500k/H-44-B.jpg
       Oct 20, 2006 @ 15:20 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
20119. Thank you
       Thank you Anton. I will sign up with the other group. I doubt there will be anything that will be posted here of any value that doesn t take a secret decoder
       Oct 20, 2006 @ 15:33 - borisinamerica ("borisinamerica" <borisinamerica@...>)
20120. Re: Joke?
       hahahahaha bravissimos maestro elegantissimo thank you sincerely you are my dear & already old & divine friend & we are indeed friends so you get to own my
       Oct 20, 2006 @ 15:35 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20121. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Joke?
       I thought it was truthful (or sincere) and beautiful - hence Aletheia Kallos (Greek: Truth/Sincerity Beauty ) - two of the virtues of style promulgated by
       Oct 20, 2006 @ 15:36 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
20122. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Joke?
       wow that blows me away too so thank you as well my friend for this has taken me completely by delightful surprise
       Oct 20, 2006 @ 16:04 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20123. cninpk
       the provisional cnpk terminus & conventionally depicted cninpk position which is favored by pakistan is shown here as a tricolor trijunction at karakoram pass
       Oct 20, 2006 @ 23:47 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
20124. correction Re: cninpk
       apologies if this needed a secret decoder ring smiley but happily most of you are already quite at home with my sydlexia & other foibles in any case it is just
       Oct 21, 2006 @ 14:03 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
20125. cnkgkz
       second best available map http://mapy.mk.cvut.cz/data/Centr._Asia/Topo%20maps_500k/K-44A.jpg & best available map
       Oct 21, 2006 @ 17:24 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
20126. clarification Re: [BoundaryPoint] cnkgkz
       tho this doesnt change the basic tripoint positional identification below nor at all resolve or illuminate the 1000 meter elevation discrepancy i have in fact
       Oct 21, 2006 @ 17:51 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20127. btcnine position could be on agenda at cnin talks next month
       recent news reports http://www.thestatesman.net/page.news.php?clid=1&theme=&usrsess=1&id=133863 http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?id=13582&t=1&c=1
       Oct 22, 2006 @ 18:39 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
20128. Re: just a guess but escaped sniffer dog may be trying for bcidmt
       ... not a tripoint stretching dog after all ... http://www.greatfallstribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061019/NEWS01/61019006/1002 ...
       Oct 22, 2006 @ 18:38 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20129. cnkzru
       best available map not just for cnkzru but for cnmnruw too http://mapy.mk.cvut.cz/data/Rusko-Russia/Altaj/Topo_maps_200k/M-45/M-45-XXVIII.jpg so it may take
       Oct 23, 2006 @ 00:22 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
20130. cnkgtj
       best available map http://sunsite.berkeley.edu:8085/tajikistan/100k/10-43-016.jpg indicates the tripoint is at the summit of zarya vostoka peak & here is a
       Oct 23, 2006 @ 18:52 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
20131. atitsi once more
       http://gis.ktn.gv.at/atlas/(pioncm2454sipo45cfpn5qim)/print.aspx?dest=PDF (next click PDF erzeugen ) Here is aerial picture of atitsi tripoint. Austria
       Oct 23, 2006 @ 21:55 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@...>)
20132. [BoundaryPoint] atitsi once once more
       Link mentioned beneath doesn t work well, So I m attaching picture as pdf file sorry for size Artur_plb
       Oct 23, 2006 @ 22:29 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@interia.pl>)
20133. Re: atitsi once once more
       thanx artur this is doubly nice because the much clearer photo than google earth combined with the best mapping we have yet seen for this point make it easy to
       Oct 24, 2006 @ 00:33 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
20134. cnkpru triline
       best available map http://sunsite.berkeley.edu:8085/korea/200k/11-52-17.jpg indicates trijunction is in river about 510 meters above railway bridge centerline
       Oct 24, 2006 @ 15:05 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20135. is this a megapoint in its own rite
       fresh report from turtle mountain http://www.bismarcktribune.com/articles/2006/10/24/news/state/122736.txt referring in part to
       Oct 24, 2006 @ 15:48 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20136. cnlamm
       best known map http://www.nexus.net/~911gfx/vietnam/maps/nf47-12/nf47_12c.html shows the tripoint at lower left at the dark black dashed line tee junction in
       Oct 25, 2006 @ 00:23 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
20137. byltlv party guess confirmed by ibru
       http://www.dur.ac.uk/ibru/news/ibru_news/?itemno=4824
       Oct 25, 2006 @ 13:31 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20138. first known map of hnnisv tridominium & its trilines & tripoint
       interesting new sketch map of the gulf of fonseca http://www.laprensa.com.sv/nacion/Las%20aguas%20en%20condominio.pdf found in this fresh report of a disputed
       Oct 25, 2006 @ 15:14 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20139. Re: [BoundaryPoint] first known map of hnnisv tridominium & its trilines & tripoint
       The lobe of the Gulf of Fonseca that begins at the kilometer scale and north arrow runs about 20 miles southeastward and has an average width of about eight
       Oct 25, 2006 @ 17:24 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
20140. Re: [BoundaryPoint] first known map of hnnisv tridominium & its trilines & tripoint
       thanx i am much obliged as well as much inclined to agree & not just because i like the idea of making a fresh triarea discovery & thus getting 2 tridominia
       Oct 25, 2006 @ 20:04 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20141. cnlavn
       best available map http://www.nexus.net/~911gfx/vietnam/maps/nf48-05/nf48_05a.html on which the tripoint at khoanglaxan peak aka shicengdashan mountain is
       Oct 26, 2006 @ 16:45 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
20142. cnmnrue & cnmnruw complete the china 16 as well as the mongolia 2
       well loved cnmnrue marker http://www.photofans.cn/uploads200206/20020817050636018.jpg is lost in salt marshes at the northeast edge of the mongolian plain with
       Oct 27, 2006 @ 01:06 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
20143. coecpe
       the ibs version of the text of the 1942 ecpe treaty aka the rio protocol gives the following delimitation of the ecpe terminal sector culminating in the ecpe
       Oct 27, 2006 @ 05:17 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
20144. Re: [BoundaryPoint] first known map of hnnisv tridominium & its trilines & tripoint
       After an examination of your new-found PDF file, I must change my earlier opinion that the central portion of the southeastern lobe of the gulf constitutes a
       Oct 28, 2006 @ 04:41 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
20145. Re: [BoundaryPoint] first known map of hnnisv tridominium & its trilines & tripoint
       wow yes thanx again & understood & agreed again up to a point but still i hesitate to abandon the idea of the inner tridominial area the unseen 1900 hnni
       Oct 28, 2006 @ 13:45 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20146. Re: [BoundaryPoint] first known map of hnnisv tridominium & its trilines & tripoint
       my apologies as my email service seems to have truncated the all important map oops & yikes so here it is again in case anyone else was trying to follow this
       Oct 28, 2006 @ 14:21 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20147. back to hrhurs the former cshrhu if not also hrhurb
       alphabetically it is necessary to reinsert here into our grand tour a tripoint whose name has changed to hrhurs since we first encountered it out of order last
       Oct 28, 2006 @ 23:22 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
20148. Re: [BoundaryPoint] first known map of hnnisv tridominium & its trilines & tripoint
       When I wrote of an inner sinus within the gulf s southeastern lobe that was surrounded by the littoral belts of Honduras and Nicaragua, I was not looking at
       Oct 29, 2006 @ 15:21 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
20149. seemingly some real hrhurs news at last
       finally comes a hrhurs map i would seriously entertain saluting on the last page here
       Oct 29, 2006 @ 16:34 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
20150. Re: [BoundaryPoint] first known map of hnnisv tridominium & its trilines & tripoint
       ok good so assuming if you would for now that the 1900 agreement delimits hnni in the gulf only within the 3nm belt we would have as a result no hnnisv
       Oct 29, 2006 @ 18:41 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20151. Re: [BoundaryPoint] first known map of hnnisv tridominium & its trilines & tripoint
       yikes but no for here is the 1900 hnni text verbatim per the ibs http://www.law.fsu.edu/library/collection/LimitsinSeas/IBS036.pdf In the various applicable
       Oct 29, 2006 @ 20:54 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20152. BP has a new owner
       Good afternoon, Bill Hanrahan founded BoundaryPoint on June 7, 2000. He has been the group owner since. On Friday, he asked me to assume ownership and
       Oct 29, 2006 @ 21:48 - boundary_point_owner ("boundary_point_owner" <BP-owner@...>)
20153. SV: [BoundaryPoint] bzgtmx
       I wonder if it should not be placed a little SW of your cloud. If you look at Google Earth again, you clearly see the BZMX and MXGT vistas. This document
       Oct 29, 2006 @ 22:03 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@...>)
20154. CAUS hiking trail at NH/Quebec
       I ve recently read that a relatively short hiking trail straddles CAUS at the Route 3 customs posts on the New Hampshire/Quebec border. Has anyone reading
       Oct 29, 2006 @ 22:26 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <w1wh@...>)
20155. Re: [BoundaryPoint] seemingly some real hrhurs news at last
       also it appears from this admittedly funky looking map http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ae/Krajina_ethnic_map.jpg which comes from this possibly
       Oct 29, 2006 @ 22:26 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20160. Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] bzgtmx
       yes thanx nice going for i do see both traces now when i pan farther out but only the gtmx vista is actually relevant to the new bzgtmx position whereas the
       Oct 30, 2006 @ 00:06 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
20162. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CAUS hiking trail at NH/Quebec
       tho i have been there i never noticed the trail but could this be it http://www.cohostrail.org/sentiers.html if so the mentioned boundary pond aka mountain
       Oct 30, 2006 @ 02:10 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20163. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CAUS hiking trail at NH/Quebec
       Bill, I wonder how old that trail is? I was there with my wife about 10 years ago and hiked in from Old Canaan Rd. (Rt. 253) on the boundary east to Halls
       Oct 30, 2006 @ 01:56 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
20164. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CAUS hiking trail at NH/Quebec
       Jack, That s probably another one I have to put on my must do list...I definitely want to get to Hall s Stream. The one I was thinking of was supposed to be
       Oct 30, 2006 @ 03:34 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <wjhanrahan@...>)
20165. hrhusi
       this is evidently another one that remains in dispute but between croatia & slovenia in this case nor have i turned up any hard data on either version moreover
       Oct 30, 2006 @ 04:55 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
20171. brgysr & brgyve disputes nearing conciliation
       http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/cgi-script/csArticles/articles/000039/003990.htm
       Oct 30, 2006 @ 17:09 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20172. Re: [BoundaryPoint] first known map of hnnisv tridominium & its trilines & tripoint
       ¡Bravisisimo! You ve reached as a far as text will go on this matter. Only a map would do better. I agree completely with your analysis. Lowell G. McManus
       Oct 30, 2006 @ 18:54 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
20173. Re: CAUS hiking trail at NH/Quebec
       I think that s the one...thanks Mike. Hopefully I can report a visit before too long. Bill ...
       Oct 31, 2006 @ 00:50 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <wjhanrahan@...>)
20175. El Salvador-Honduras boundary monument
       At http://www.elsalvador.com/noticias/2006/04/19/nacional/nac8.asp is an April 2006 article in Spanish about demarcation of the land boundary between El
       Oct 31, 2006 @ 05:22 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
20177. new pictures posted
       Hi Folks, I m not sure if any of you are interested in border pictures (JUST KIDDING!), but I ve just posted lots more pictures on my Website, which can be
       Oct 31, 2006 @ 22:29 - Dallen Timothy ("Dallen Timothy" <dtimothy@...>)
20178. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CAUS hiking trail at NH/Quebec
       great i am with you in spirit at the very least & am left wondering if this trail isnt just the caus clearcut between route 3 & menhqc
       Oct 31, 2006 @ 22:40 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20179. Re: [BoundaryPoint] new pictures posted
       haha good one dallen i just want to thank & salute you tho for this most distinct & thus best known shot of atchlin ever posted here if i may play it again
       Oct 31, 2006 @ 23:30 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20180. RE: [BoundaryPoint] new pictures posted
       Mike, I did put my finger in the river. Does that count? I thought you d enjoy the two tripoint tries. Dallen ________________________________ From:
       Nov 01, 2006 @ 00:09 - Dallen Timothy ("Dallen Timothy" <dtimothy@...>)
20181. RE: [BoundaryPoint] new pictures posted
       yes it certainly counts & not only as a less distant class d for state of the try but as a new state of play as well making you a true world leader at atchlin
       Nov 01, 2006 @ 00:46 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20182. NH-ME Broken border bridge
       http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2006111010173
       Nov 01, 2006 @ 16:15 - Beckett, Bob ("Beckett, Bob" <bob.beckett@...>)
20183. Re: CAUS hiking trail at NH/Quebec
       Mike, Judging from what I had read from a previous source (which I wish I could remember), I don t think that the trail is the vista per se, but rather
       Nov 02, 2006 @ 15:27 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <wjhanrahan@...>)
20184. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: CAUS hiking trail at NH/Quebec
       yes that is looking correct at google earth where i captured the attached glimpse centered arbitrarily but not inappropriately on the cocofr tripoint 3 or 4
       Nov 03, 2006 @ 03:32 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
20185. Tripoint in Basel (CH), the french side
       ... and some pictures of a marker of the german/swiss border .... on the french territory. This is at the CH-D-F tripoint on the Rhin/Rhein river
       Nov 04, 2006 @ 14:54 - Romain HODAPP ("Romain HODAPP" <romain_hodapp@...>)
20186. Former tripoint. Switzerland, France, Germany
       Hello, Some pictures of the former CH-D-F tripoint. http://romain.hodapp.free.fr/border/3puiss.htm Romain
       Nov 04, 2006 @ 14:51 - Romain HODAPP ("Romain HODAPP" <romain_hodapp@...>)
20187. strangely silent was Re: CAUS hiking trail at NH/Quebec
       ... here ... to ... tripoint ... http://www.internationalboundarycommission.org/coordinates/SECT-H-83.txt ... here ...
       Nov 04, 2006 @ 14:57 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
20188. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Former tripoint. Switzerland, France, Germany
       thanxx romain very nice 2 chdefr for the price of 1 but it appears this de jure 1871chdefr1919 tripoint again served as the de facto 1940chdefr1944 tripoint as
       Nov 05, 2006 @ 01:09 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20191. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Former tripoint. Switzerland, France, Germany
       Thank you ! ... From: aletheia kallos To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 2:09 AM Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Former tripoint.
       Nov 05, 2006 @ 15:11 - Romain HODAPP ("Romain HODAPP" <romain_hodapp@...>)
20192. Guess the location of this photo
       Which border crossing is this picture of? http://local.live.com/default.aspx? v=2&cp=rgzsyy8sqzp9&style=o&lvl=2&scene=4691190
       Nov 05, 2006 @ 18:43 - clynnog2002 ("clynnog2002" <clynnog@...>)
20193. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Former tripoint. Switzerland, France, Germany
       wonderful & thanxx again for multiplying & enhancing the chase in all directions the coding is just a silly indulgence of mine since i like funny talking &
       Nov 05, 2006 @ 18:44 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20195. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Guess the location of this photo
       Fort Covington, NY area (CAUS)? Bill ... -- Reply to: bill@billhanrahan.com www.billhanrahan.com
       Nov 05, 2006 @ 22:32 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <wjhanrahan@...>)
20196. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Guess the location of this photo
       The only picture I see on that link is a map of the British Isles! Roger & out.
       Nov 05, 2006 @ 22:57 - Roger McCutcheon ("Roger McCutcheon" <rogerdwmac@...>)
20198. chdefr before 1871
       oops pardon my dumb mistake for romain actually said ... F ... which of course means he was talking about a former defrlu position rather than the former
       Nov 06, 2006 @ 01:08 - aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@...>)
20200. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Guess the location of this photo
       same situation ________________________________ From: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Roger McCutcheon Sent:
       Nov 06, 2006 @ 08:23 - Bill Burke ("Bill Burke" <billb@...>)
20201. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Guess the location of this photo
       It is the border crossing at Fort Covington NY into Quebec. I think the problem some of you have been having with how it displays when you click on the link is
       Nov 06, 2006 @ 16:20 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@rockymountainnews.com>)
20204. Re: Guess the location of this photo
       ... Bill is correct as the picture was taken of Fort Covington, NY. I never realized the level of pedantry that goes in through this Yahoo Group. What I am
       Nov 06, 2006 @ 20:16 - clynnog2002 ("clynnog2002" <clynnog@...>)
20207. His own private international bridge
       On another group to which I belong, the following was posted about a boat tour in the Thousand Islands along the CAUS boundary: _____ One of the interesting
       Nov 06, 2006 @ 23:53 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
20209. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Guess the location of this photo
       Still having problems, can some print out the full correct link. ________________________________ From: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
       Nov 07, 2006 @ 07:57 - Bill Burke ("Bill Burke" <billb@...>)
20211. Re: [BoundaryPoint] His own private international bridge
       Yes, I have seen it many times while on tour boat trips in the Thousand Islands,and each time the tour boat guide gave the same story, plus, that it is the
       Nov 07, 2006 @ 04:00 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
20212. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Guess the location of this photo
       This is it: http://tinyurl.com/y6fo5t . ... From: Bill Burke To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 1:57 AM Subject: RE:
       Nov 07, 2006 @ 14:01 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
20213. RE : Re: [BoundaryPoint] His own private international bridge
       Never visit it, but with your description, what do you think of that :
       Nov 07, 2006 @ 15:07 - Romain HODAPP (Romain HODAPP <romain_hodapp@...>)
20215. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Guess the location of this photo
       I shortened it. Try this: http://tinyurl.com/yhwlre ________________________________ From: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Bill Burke Sent: Tue
       Nov 07, 2006 @ 17:03 - Flynn, Kevin ("Flynn, Kevin" <flynnk@rockymountainnews.com>)
20217. US Border Patrol on rails
       At http://www.cgrp.us/images/2006-09-01_013.JPG is a photo of a US Border Patrol vehicle equipped to run on rails. The photo was taken at Campo, California.
       Nov 11, 2006 @ 23:10 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
20218. Bordervisit: Northwest Angle, Minnesota, USA - The Report
       Hello all: On Monday I was finally able to visit the Northwest Angle of Minnesota. In case you re not familiar, the Northwest Angle is a piece of the USA
       Nov 14, 2006 @ 17:02 - Doug Murray/Border Films (Doug Murray/Border Films <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
20219. Re: [borderpoint] Bordervisit: Northwest Angle, Minnesota, USA - The Report ** WORKING VIDEO LINK**
       Try this link for the Northwest Angle video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_Am_CsekNg or *http://tinyurl.com/y2vkc6 *Cheers! * Doug * ... -- Doug Murray
       Nov 14, 2006 @ 17:45 - Doug Murray/Border Films (Doug Murray/Border Films <doug@...>)
20220. Northwest Angle videos
       I ve added more videos and I ll cut and paste the YouTube URLs in the hopes that they won t break. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehr-3-HETuQ
       Nov 14, 2006 @ 18:08 - Doug Murray/Border Films (Doug Murray/Border Films <doug@...>)
20221. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: [borderpoint] Bordervisit: Northwest Angle, Minnesota, USA - The Report ** WORKING VIDEO LINK**
       Cool - apparently I was the 1,000,000th visitor (what are the chances of that?) and I have won a free laptop (participation required). ;) Hopefully we ll start
       Nov 14, 2006 @ 19:07 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
20222. Monkey business on the border.
       Congo Rwanda Uganda harmonize transborder gorilla fees after one side goes ape. And it s not peanuts either.
       Nov 16, 2006 @ 04:50 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <bwhyte@...>)
20223. Dispute about ancient monastery divided by azge border
       Hi, here s some informations about talks concerning control of ancient monastery s teritory.
       Nov 17, 2006 @ 23:58 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@...>)
20224. tripoint visit today
       Hi Folks, I had the fortune today to visit the tripoint of Albania, Macedonia (, and Greece. We took a boat to the exact spot in Lake Prespa, which is marked
       Nov 21, 2006 @ 17:32 - Dallen Timothy ("Dallen Timothy" <dtimothy@...>)
20225. Re: [BoundaryPoint] tripoint visit today
       Wow! The GSEEBE crew only saw it from shore... looking forward to the pictures!! Cheers and congrats! Doug
       Nov 21, 2006 @ 17:51 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
20226. new tripoint photos
       Hi Folks, Here are two pictures of the tripoint of Greece, Albania, and Macedonia (or as the Greeks like to call it so-called Macedonia ). In the second
       Dec 01, 2006 @ 21:53 - Dallen Timothy ("Dallen Timothy" <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
20227. SV: [BoundaryPoint] new tripoint photos
       This is world class, Dr Dallen! Congratulations! Jesper -- Borderbase - your online guide to international borders and tripoints
       Dec 01, 2006 @ 22:16 - Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase ("Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase" <jesper@...>)
20228. Re: new tripoint photos
       Bravo Dallen! The pressure is on for pix of the two tripoints in Ghana! Cheers! Doug
       Dec 03, 2006 @ 21:21 - Doug ("Doug" <doug@...>)
20229. Mexican berm buries MSUX boundary mounment
       http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/news/state/16156418.htm
       Dec 03, 2006 @ 23:15 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
20230. Ser-Bul border train station
       From a travel industry email list. Brendan Serbia and Bulgaria share border train station David Browne eTN Europe Serbia and Bulgaria have begun an unusual
       Dec 15, 2006 @ 08:42 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <bwhyte@...>)
20231. Map collection for sale
       I am selling my personal collection of 98 road maps, priced to move. Included are oil company maps, official state maps, AAA maps, and miscellaneous maps.
       Dec 16, 2006 @ 17:07 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
20232. Geography Cup Challenge, UK vs. USA
       British and American contestants are invited to participate in the on-line 2006 Geography Cup Challenge at any time through December 31. You must register
       Dec 26, 2006 @ 16:38 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
20233. Border cross from ski of slope Kanin(SLO), to ski slope of Sella Nevea (IT)
       Hello! Slovenia is not a member of schengen. Can I cross the border from the ski slope of Kanin, through the Prevala valley, to Sella Nevea? Or it can be done
       Dec 26, 2006 @ 22:54 - holo_tron ("holo_tron" <holotron@...>)
20234. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border cross from ski of slope Kanin(SLO), to ski slope of Sella Nevea (IT)
       I hope that someone in this group has answers to your questions. If not, ask the Kanin resort at kanin@siol.net , the Slovenian embassy in Budapest at
       Dec 27, 2006 @ 00:20 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
20235. Re: Border cross from ski of slope Kanin(SLO), to ski slope of Sella Nevea (IT)
       Hello, to answer your various questions (no guarantee for accuracy and legal ... Not yet, but maybe soon? It WILL join the Euro zone in 5 days, though... ...
       Dec 27, 2006 @ 09:37 - Anton Zeilinger ("Anton Zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
20236. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Border cross from ski of slope Kanin(SLO), to ski slope of Sella Nevea (IT)
       Hello, to solve your problem, you should study this page (unfortunately in Slovene) http://www.policija.si/si/organiziranost/uup/meja/prehodi.html There s
       Dec 29, 2006 @ 14:33 - Artur Kroc (Artur Kroc <kroc@...>)
20237. Livingstone Island and Cataract island on Victoria Falls
       hello, I am asking your help. If you go to this page of my web site http://www.cifr.it/forum78.html#livingstoneancora you could see a picture of the small
       Dec 30, 2006 @ 14:19 - fabiov ("fabiov" <fabiov@...>)
20238. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Livingstone Island and Cataract island on Victoria Falls
       There are good aerial photos in the Victoria Falls article of Wikipedia at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_falls . Lowell G. McManus Leesville,
       Dec 31, 2006 @ 03:03 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
20239. BZMX being renegotiated--maybe
       At http://www.amandala.com.bz:80/index.php?id=5289 is a Belizean newspaper article that reports surprising and contradictory statements from Mexican and
       Jan 06, 2007 @ 05:13 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
20240. Hello!
       I want to give a quick introduction of myself to this group, it definitely is in line with my interests, and I am sure I ll enjoy being a member. I guess I ve
       Jan 17, 2007 @ 22:29 - dhkendall ("dhkendall" <david@...>)
20241. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Hello!
       Hi David Welcome to this group. Borders are a lot of fun aren t they. Doesn t matter how close or far afield they are from home. Hope you enjoy the chit chat
       Jan 18, 2007 @ 13:39 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
20242. Re: Hello!
       Thanks, Hugh, for the welcome! I m wondering first of all where the FAQ is, this group is for sure in need of one! (i ve been lurking for a little while
       Jan 18, 2007 @ 15:32 - dhkendall ("dhkendall" <david@...>)
20244. Re: Hello!
       Hi Everyone, Just though I should take a moment to introduce myself. I have been a both a geography fan, a map fan, and a road geek since I was a child. Of
       Jan 28, 2007 @ 08:30 - Daryl ("Daryl" <westerndbrown@...>)
20249. Re: Bordervisit: Northwest Angle, Minnesota, USA - The Report
       ... Minnesota. [...] ... drove ... About ... houses), I ... but in ... a ... turns ... (Apologies, btw, to the group, who first read this about 2 or 3 months
       Jan 30, 2007 @ 15:54 - dhkendall ("dhkendall" <david@...>)
20252. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bordervisit: Northwest Angle, Minnesota, USA - The Report
       I appreciate all the comments on my NW Angle visit. As some of you know, I am now in Ghana, Africa... specifically Takoradi. I m living here for the next 8+
       Jan 30, 2007 @ 16:04 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
20257. US-MX
       I checked out the Humphrey book again. It s EXCELLENT...full of fantastic pictures of US-MX in 1892 and again in 1985. The pictures in this book, together with
       Feb 01, 2007 @ 04:58 - Dallen Timothy ("Dallen Timothy" <dtimothy@...>)
20258. Re: [BoundaryPoint] US-MX
       Maybe the fence in some of the photos is not an American fence, but a Mexican fence--perhaps belonging to a rancher to control his livestock. Lowell G. McManus
       Feb 01, 2007 @ 05:48 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
20264. Baltic States Tripoints
       There is a remote possibility that I will be able to visit the Baltic states Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia for a few days near the end of next month. I have
       Feb 02, 2007 @ 17:44 - Hugh Wallis ("Hugh Wallis" <hugh@...>)
20265. Re: Hello!
       Hi, I stumbled across this group by chance today! I have always had a fascination for all things to do with borders, extremities, and curious geographical
       Feb 03, 2007 @ 13:37 - Richard Williams ("Richard Williams" <red_sprite@...>)
20266. Tourém, Portugal
       In my earlier mailing about this village I got the two countries involved inverted: I should have written north of this Portuguese village near the Spanish
       Feb 03, 2007 @ 20:11 - Roger McCutcheon ("Roger McCutcheon" <rogerdwmac@...>)
20267. Tourém, Spain.
       Someone brought this location to my attention, although frustratingly I cannot now find the relevant mail. However, north of this Spanish village near the
       Feb 03, 2007 @ 19:36 - Roger McCutcheon ("Roger McCutcheon" <rogerdwmac@...>)