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  1. Welcome!
    Welcome to the BoundaryPoint! Hope to see some good discussions about our common obsession! Bill Hanrahan
    Jun 07, 2000 @ 11:41 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  2. Nice Work
    Thanks for starting this forum. I think it will be a good one. I noticed that the address for the Corner Corner is incorrect. It shows my email address
    Jun 07, 2000 @ 12:23 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  3. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Nice Work
    Sounds good Brian. Sorry about the incorrect URL...I ll correct that right away. Bill ... From: bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com [mailto:bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com]
    Jun 07, 2000 @ 13:25 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  4. testing
    hi all just wanted to test & toast the new facility & to be present for day 1 the image posted at http://www.angelfire.com/md2/polystate3/mickey.jpg has been
    Jun 08, 2000 @ 03:34 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  5. RE: [BoundaryPoint] testing
    Mike, thanks for that one...I ll be on the lookout for more of them in the Kissimmee area! Bill ... From: michael donner [mailto:m@discovernet.net] Sent:
    Jun 08, 2000 @ 12:22 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  6. "Boundaries of the United States and the Several States" - USGS
    For those new to pointing and bounding , the following is an excellent resource which was originally referred to me by Mike Donner: Boundaries of the United
    Jun 08, 2000 @ 12:45 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  7. More on the boundary "bible"
    More info on the boundary bible as passed along from Mike Donner (thanks as usual, Michael!): ...I just learned the bible is momentarily out of print. The
    Jun 08, 2000 @ 17:25 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  8. Looking for UK boundary info...
    Does anyone have any information sources (monographs, books, photos, maps) of UK boundary demarcation on the national level (i.e., England/Scotland/Wales and
    Jun 08, 2000 @ 17:27 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  9. New links
    Please check out the new links in the, well, Links section. Please feel free to add your own, especially links to boundary corner sites.
    Jun 08, 2000 @ 20:58 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  10. list of multinational points
    hail new members & we would love to hear from you all for a list of the world class or multinational points i have been trying to make for several years
    Jun 09, 2000 @ 18:47 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  11. Re: list of multinational points
    OK, I ve got to ask...what is bcwazazi ? (I m assuming that it s a new Canada/US quadpoint as a result of the new territries, but I can t make it fit. I m
    Jun 10, 2000 @ 14:35 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  12. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: list of multinational points
    hahahaha already a funhouse mirror owing mainly to my terrible shorthand but let me explain first in order to simplify & codify the names of the multipoints
    Jun 10, 2000 @ 16:29 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  13. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: list of multinational points
    Re: the new Canadian territories...I remember Nunavit but for some reason, couldn t come up with it at the time...just a sign of old age. (I actually
    Jun 10, 2000 @ 16:44 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  14. Re: list of multinational points
    Just as an aside, I note that http://www.state.gov/www/regions/independent_states.html list Canada as having no long-form name . Whatever happened to the
    Jun 10, 2000 @ 16:49 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  15. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: list of multinational points
    The website www.nunavut.com is an excellent resource for information about Nunavut, the newest Canadian territory. The actual
    Jun 10, 2000 @ 17:22 - Tom Edwards (GEOGRAPHER) ("Tom Edwards (GEOGRAPHER)" <tomedw@...>)
  16. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: list of multinational points
    What is the source of supposed standard 2-letter codes for countries? David
    Jun 10, 2000 @ 19:37 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  17. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: list of multinational points
    The 2-letter country codes that appear on the State Dept s list below are the 2-letter codes from the FIPS 10-4 standard used in the US Government (Federal
    Jun 10, 2000 @ 19:49 - Tom Edwards (GEOGRAPHER) ("Tom Edwards (GEOGRAPHER)" <tomedw@...>)
  18. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: list of multinational points
    wow & thanxx for both the q & a so for purposes of giving the best possible names to the multinational points do you agree it seems more propitious to ignore
    Jun 10, 2000 @ 20:54 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  19. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: list of multinational points
    If I were creating names for boundary turning points based on 2-letter abbreviations, I would adopt the ISO standard over FIPS (particularly for sharing such
    Jun 10, 2000 @ 21:01 - Tom Edwards (GEOGRAPHER) ("Tom Edwards (GEOGRAPHER)" <tomedw@...>)
  20. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: list of multinational points
    thank you again tom these pages are helpful as well as interesting when i find a complete & easy to read tabulation of the iso diglyphs i think i will not
    Jun 10, 2000 @ 23:07 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  21. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: list of multinational points
    Thank you. What a great resource! Bill ... From: Tom Edwards (GEOGRAPHER) [mailto:tomedw@microsoft.com] Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 1:22 PM To:
    Jun 11, 2000 @ 00:32 - Jane Hanrahan ("Jane Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  22. New poll for BoundaryPoint
    Enter your vote today! Check out the new poll for the BoundaryPoint group: Anonymous poll: What is your primary involvement with regard to geopolitical
    Jun 11, 2000 @ 02:56 - BoundaryPoint@egroups.com (BoundaryPoint@egroups.com )
  23. naming the multinational points
    the iso diglyph list is looking pretty good at http://www.din.de/gremien/nas/nabd/iso3166ma/codlstp1/en_listp1.html & i would have just moved forward right
    Jun 11, 2000 @ 13:25 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  24. Re: [BoundaryPoint] naming the multinational points
    Sorry if, as a newcomer to this list, I am out of touch, but why not PRONOUNCE and use the full names of the countires involved?? The 6-letter codes are handy
    Jun 11, 2000 @ 13:48 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  25. Re: [BoundaryPoint] naming the multinational points
    david you are right & thanx for being here m
    Jun 11, 2000 @ 14:08 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  26. Corners
    Hi This is my first mail to the group. Does anyone have information on the corner of France/Switzerland/Germany? It should be within the city of Basel, but so
    Jun 11, 2000 @ 15:04 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  27. Re: [BoundaryPoint] naming the multinational points
    another good idea or several & have no fear on my account as i dont think i have any issues in that regard i suppose i lied by even filling in the poll form &
    Jun 11, 2000 @ 15:08 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  28. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Corners
    Jesper, unfortunately, I don t have any info on those points,but will be following any responses with interest. Just wanted to thank you for posting your site
    Jun 11, 2000 @ 15:05 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  29. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Corners
    hey jesper i wish i could help you as well as you have me but all i can say at this point is that i am pretty sure i have seen an ibru land boundary roster
    Jun 11, 2000 @ 19:37 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  30. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Corners
    jesper mapquest dot com which is usually pretty fair to good for zeroing in on the multipoints but not absolutely reliable shows the france germany switzerland
    Jun 11, 2000 @ 21:15 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  31. question for brian in our state of the art lab
    dude the foregoing poignancies do make it seem that both frgmsz & chksmgrs are now knocking for admission into the world class at least i would like to have &
    Jun 11, 2000 @ 21:52 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  32. [No Subject]
    dear fellow pointers & bounders come to think more about it a simple photo collection of the multinational points might make a nice issue or first issue & a
    Jun 12, 2000 @ 14:53 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  33. France-Germany-Switzerland
    I found a nice interactive map of Basel on the internet at http://stadtplan.bsonline.ch/karte.cfm?PosX=4166&PosY=833&ParaZoom=1000&Jump=4 it clearly shows the
    Jun 12, 2000 @ 15:41 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  34. Re: [BoundaryPoint] France-Germany-Switzerland
    ... p=4 ... I would have been very proud of have a tripoint in my city, but Basel doesn t seem interested in promoting the point. I have checked out several
    Jun 12, 2000 @ 15:53 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  35. Re: [BoundaryPoint] France-Germany-Switzerland
    ... thanxx lets keep zeroing in on this one then a prize for the first photo an award for the first visit m
    Jun 12, 2000 @ 18:07 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  36. Re: [BoundaryPoint] France-Germany-Switzerland
    Peter Hering (a member of this group) tells me that he actually has a photo of the spot. Jesper
    Jun 12, 2000 @ 18:24 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  37. Re: [BoundaryPoint] France-Germany-Switzerland
    yess
    Jun 12, 2000 @ 18:37 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  38. Re: [BoundaryPoint] France-Germany-Switzerland
    but can get to a scanner before late this month ... From: michael donner To: BoundaryPoint@egroups.com Date:
    Jun 12, 2000 @ 18:34 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  39. Re: [BoundaryPoint] France-Germany-Switzerland
    well thats great m
    Jun 12, 2000 @ 19:12 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  40. Re: Corners
    Hey, I ll pay extra for that room! Jesper, if you want to pass along your friend s e-mail address, we can invite himto join the group. Bill
    Jun 11, 2000 @ 17:55 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  41. France-Germany-Switzerland
    Hi, I should probably introduce myself. My name is Robert Kerr, and I am a Doctoral candidate at the University of Oregon studying political geography. I have
    Jun 12, 2000 @ 20:30 - Robert Kerr ("Robert Kerr" <kerrrm@...>)
  42. RE: [BoundaryPoint] France-Germany-Switzerland
    I forgot to ask...can anyone translate the German? Bill ... From: Robert Kerr [mailto:kerrrm@darkwing.uoregon.edu] Sent: Monday, June 12, 2000 4:30 PM To:
    Jun 12, 2000 @ 20:58 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  43. RE: [BoundaryPoint] France-Germany-Switzerland
    Rob, thanks for that information...and it s great to have you here. Given that the actual tripoint is in the Rhine (in mid channel?), that s some witness sign!
    Jun 12, 2000 @ 20:57 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  44. RE: [BoundaryPoint] France-Germany-Switzerland
    from altavista.com...somewhat disjointed...but... Tja, that asked certainly themselves already many. If one regards this object however somewhat more near,
    Jun 12, 2000 @ 21:05 - Beckett, Bob ("Beckett, Bob" <Bob.Beckett@...>)
  45. RE: [BoundaryPoint] France-Germany-Switzerland
    Danke! (That didn t take long!)
    Jun 12, 2000 @ 21:11 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  46. Re: [BoundaryPoint] France-Germany-Switzerland
    welcome & thanx robert & everyone this is looking like the real stuff i have a hunch the man & woman facing left are looking to the point any greater truth on
    Jun 12, 2000 @ 21:26 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  47. Re: [BoundaryPoint] France-Germany-Switzerland
    correction it now appears we may already have a winner i couldnt beam davids map up on my primitive computer but after studying the mapquest serving for basel
    Jun 13, 2000 @ 00:05 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  48. hey
    hey you up yet wake up awready man you mean you been sleepin here on the frgm quai all frgm nite without a frgmap or a frgmgps no frgm boats anywhere in sight
    Jun 13, 2000 @ 13:03 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  49. Introduction
    Hello, all members of BoundaryGroup. I d like to introduce myself: Peter Hering, residing in a little Copenhagen suburb: Olstykke. I ve always been mad about
    Jun 13, 2000 @ 15:01 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  50. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Introduction
    truly awesome thank you & welcome peter i wash your feet baby can you or anyone tell me the exact geocoordinates of the france germany switzerland point m
    Jun 13, 2000 @ 15:20 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  51. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Introduction
    Hi guys I feel very lucky to stay so close to Peter. I look forward to seeing is photos. But I think he is right, we are not many. One thing that annoys me is
    Jun 13, 2000 @ 16:20 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  52. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Introduction
    there is a small town (among many, i presume) that straddles the usa-canada border. it is called estcourt station. the border actually runs through a a number
    Jun 13, 2000 @ 16:25 - Beckett, Bob ("Beckett, Bob" <Bob.Beckett@...>)
  53. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Introduction
    re: In my quest for borders I have checked out travel guide books (also on Basel). It s shocking to read loads of books on Rome, and still being uncertain on
    Jun 13, 2000 @ 16:32 - Beckett, Bob ("Beckett, Bob" <Bob.Beckett@...>)
  54. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Introduction
    Jesper, I found the lack of available internet information about the IE/GB border itself to be a surprise. It s hard to believe that a boundary this
    Jun 13, 2000 @ 16:47 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  55. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Introduction
    Peter, welcome...and thank you very much for that information! (Out of curiosity, is the border marked inside the room?) Have a great holiday! Bill ... From:
    Jun 13, 2000 @ 16:49 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  56. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border Pictures
    I appreciate that for a military reason photographing a border could be illegal, but I never though finding pictures of borders were so hard. I have been to
    Jun 13, 2000 @ 17:52 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  57. Hotel Franco-Suisse
    I d like to draw your attention to a place called La Cure on the Swiss/French border. For all border freaks it must be the ultimate dream spending a night in
    Jun 13, 2000 @ 18:02 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  58. IE/GB
    Just tell me if I am to much, but I really enjoy this group. I found this on mapquest on te IE/GB border : http://home.worldonline.dk/~jesniel/IE-GB-gif I
    Jun 13, 2000 @ 18:07 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  59. RE: [BoundaryPoint] IE/GB
    I tried the link, but it didn t work...( page could not be found )... (Thanks for trying!) Bill ... From: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen [mailto:jesniel@image.dk]
    Jun 13, 2000 @ 18:17 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  60. Re: [BoundaryPoint] IE/GB
    Sorry Should be http://home.worldonline.dk/~jesniel/IE-GB.gif Jesper I tried the link, but it didn t work...( page could not be found )... (Thanks for trying!)
    Jun 13, 2000 @ 18:27 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  61. RE: [BoundaryPoint] IE/GB
    That one worked! I think the IE/GB border was only finalized in about 1925 or so. However, it presumably follows the borders ofthe respective counties...the
    Jun 13, 2000 @ 18:29 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  62. Re: [BoundaryPoint] IE/GB
    yes you are to much & i rejoice every time i see your names downloading m
    Jun 13, 2000 @ 18:40 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  63. dear mom
    well here we are already on day 5 of our trip lounging carelessly on a beautiful wharf along the rhine in basel in the shadow of an exquisite trinational
    Jun 13, 2000 @ 20:57 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  64. Map of Estcourt
    A topo map showing Estcourt Maine can be found here . The dashed line running
    Jun 13, 2000 @ 21:06 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  65. Let's Try the Hyperlink Again
    The Estcourt map is at: http://www.realmbuilder.com/tristate/MapDetail.asp?MapID=236 BJB
    Jun 13, 2000 @ 21:08 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  66. Meaningful Subject Titles
    May I suggest that we start using meaningful subject titles? I think it would add a lot to the value of the message lists and would also make it easier to
    Jun 13, 2000 @ 22:17 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  67. you certainly may frgmsz chdefr
    do you mean like this m
    Jun 13, 2000 @ 22:35 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  68. Not Really
    ... think
    Jun 14, 2000 @ 01:54 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  69. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Not Really
    1 ok then what do you mean 2 perhaps something more like this 3 btw thanx for the fast direct answer 4 excuse me excuse me ladies & gentlemen yess it is my
    Jun 14, 2000 @ 07:02 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  70. re. IE/GB
    Greetings. I have posted in the list s files section the text of a short article from the International Boundaries Research Unit s Boundary & Security
    Jun 14, 2000 @ 11:44 - m.a.pratt@durham.ac.uk (m.a.pratt@...)
  71. RE: [BoundaryPoint] you certainly may frgmsz chdefr
    Yeah, but the classic is chickmugger. ... From: michael donner [mailto:m@discovernet.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 6:36 PM To: BoundaryPoint@egroups.com
    Jun 14, 2000 @ 11:53 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  72. RE: [BoundaryPoint] re. IE/GB
    Thank you Martin...this is just what I was looking for. Bill ... From: m.a.pratt@durham.ac.uk [mailto:m.a.pratt@durham.ac.uk] Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000
    Jun 14, 2000 @ 11:54 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  73. RE: [BoundaryPoint] re. IE/GB
    m a r t i n m a r t i n s a i n t m a r t i n i should say major easy rider of the international boundaries research unit probably a homeboy to everyone on
    Jun 14, 2000 @ 12:42 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  74. Derby Line
    Here s another interesting straddle: http://www.pbpub.com/haskell.htm BJB ... usa-canada ... through a a ... the line ... now, nobody ... borders ... (that s
    Jun 14, 2000 @ 15:10 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  75. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Derby Line
    I visited Derby Line in the late seventies (long before I ever thought to put anything down in writing, unfortunately). In addition to the library, several
    Jun 14, 2000 @ 15:46 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  76. RE: [BoundaryPoint] you certainly may frgmsz chdefr
    well i realize i am too fond of them all but the meaning i meant to convey by the above subject title was first to answer the question clearly & emphatically
    Jun 14, 2000 @ 17:16 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  77. Re: Map of Estcourt
    Check out: http://www.destinationmaine.com/winter/estcourt/estphoto.htm forEstcourt info. Bill
    Jun 14, 2000 @ 19:09 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  78. Sleeper
    Another idea would be to sleep in France while your mistress sleeps next to you in Switzerland and your wife sleeps back in the US. BJB ... now, nobody has
    Jun 14, 2000 @ 21:23 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  79. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Sleeper
    ... hahahahaha meanwhile back in the usa at the colorado kansas nebraska tri state point a comment in the guest register there under 2 names broke the mann act
    Jun 15, 2000 @ 05:19 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  80. day 7
    gentlepointers good morning again it must be about day 9 by now the most wonderful thing happened again during the night it was reported that hrh the first
    Jun 15, 2000 @ 10:58 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  81. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Sleeper
    Just make sure you know where all the egress points are. Bill ... From: Brian Butler [mailto:bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 5:24 PM
    Jun 15, 2000 @ 11:48 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  82. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Sleeper
    ha haha hahahahahahahaa
    Jun 15, 2000 @ 11:58 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  83. Austria-Germany-Switzerland
    ... Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:20:45 +0200 From: Barry Smith To: David Mark Subject: 100th Oddity? Lake
    Jun 15, 2000 @ 13:21 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  84. vas ist das
    vas ist das vas tagen ist das ist das donnerstag guten morgen you helpen sie me please danka danka danka ah no ist basil but bozzle ah si i mean da psst hey
    Jun 15, 2000 @ 13:22 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  85. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Austria-Germany-Switzerland
    yess yess thank you dude i kiss your butt
    Jun 15, 2000 @ 13:24 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  86. code77 tlingit frgmsz chdefr +++ anglo us2ctmany caus2menbqc nt
    nt no text but elucidations2 1 us2ctmany is unauthorized code for ctmany or the connecticut massachusetts new york tri state point of the united states 2
    Jun 16, 2000 @ 04:00 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  87. code88 code88 all heaven has broken loose
    ... gregg your gang of harley dry pointers rumble on among the very most welcome & beloved to me personally of all the gathering multitudes now still pouring &
    Jun 16, 2000 @ 20:32 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  88. Calendar function suggestion
    If anyone is planning a field expedition, I d encourage you to use the group s Calendar function to let the group know about the planned trip,points to be
    Jun 16, 2000 @ 21:01 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  89. Re: FW: Whoops...message #87
    ... bill i have no idea how to answer you except to come out of the closet or the rain or whatever it is i am in hopefully intermittently communicado while on
    Jun 17, 2000 @ 01:40 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  90. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: FW: Whoops...message #87
    OK...have a good hunt...be safe. B ... From: michael donner [mailto:m@discovernet.net] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2000 9:40 PM To: BoundaryPoint@egroups.com
    Jun 17, 2000 @ 01:39 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  91. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: FW: Whoops...message #87
    thanx thanx & remember gang you are always safe when you are having fun mick
    Jun 17, 2000 @ 02:13 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  92. Re: re. IE/GB
    For anyone interested in the books that Martin refers to, I finally located Bad Blood from a UK bookseller; total cost plus shipping is GBP 8.50. (It
    Jun 17, 2000 @ 15:08 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  93. Jack Parsell's "Tri State Corners In The United States" available direct
    Fellow pointers, Great news...our very own Jack Parsell s book, Tri State Corners in the United States is available directly from the author for $7.50
    Jun 17, 2000 @ 16:34 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  94. Quiet
    Hi Just because I am a bit quiet the last days - sorry - all discussion seams to cease. I will return badly soon. Jesper
    Jun 18, 2000 @ 16:38 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  95. Have Suggestion re: Message Posting
    It looks like the Boundary Point site is off to a good start. I finished reading the archive today and enjoyed it. I would like to make one suggestion about
    Jun 18, 2000 @ 19:57 - gbutler@ix.netcom.com (gbutler@...)
  96. Scanners for Pointers
    I m a diehard 35mm man for field work but would like to purchase a good scanner in order to share some of my photo material with the digital world. So far, my
    Jun 18, 2000 @ 20:12 - gbutler@ix.netcom.com (gbutler@...)
  97. Re: code88 code88 all heaven has broken loose
    Thank you for the warm personal welcome. I look forward to being a productive member of the forum. This is the type of venue you had been hoping for, I think.
    Jun 18, 2000 @ 22:11 - gbutler@ix.netcom.com (gbutler@...)
  98. Live report from Mike Donner on the road...
    I received a live telephone report tonight from our own court jester, Mike Donner, who as of this writing is on the road in Deer Isle, Maine. Mike was heading
    Jun 18, 2000 @ 22:54 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  99. Re: Live report from Mike Donner on the road...
    Go Mike Go...! When (if) you get to the Castaway Lounge, north on Joe Batt s Arm, tell em I sent you. They re pretty good folk. Check out the back window and
    Jun 19, 2000 @ 00:37 - gbutler@ix.netcom.com (gbutler@...)
  100. Re: Jack Parsell's "Tri State Corners In The United States" available direct
    I agree, Mr. Parsell s book is an invaluable tool. Get one and keep it in your saddlebag next to your topos, Pub 909 and extra film, especially if you get near
    Jun 19, 2000 @ 10:33 - gbutler@ix.netcom.com (gbutler@...)
  101. About Wheels, Then I Lurk
    The amount of joy in travel across land seems to be inversely proportional to the number of wheels you use. I have doubled my pleasure by motor-bicycling
    Jun 19, 2000 @ 10:50 - gbutler@ix.netcom.com (gbutler@...)
  102. RE: [BoundaryPoint] About Wheels, Then I Lurk
    Tried ballooning...while you can t divide by zero, you also can t steer effectively either. I prefer to travel without using wheels...except at the very start
    Jun 19, 2000 @ 11:28 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  103. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Quiet
    hahahahaha man i have been looking all over basel for you say what ... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your
    Jun 19, 2000 @ 12:43 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  104. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: code88 code88 all heaven has broken loose
    right it must have been the black hole ... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN
    Jun 19, 2000 @ 12:45 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  105. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Live report from Mike Donner on the road...
    hahahahaha yeehaw indeed ... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at
    Jun 19, 2000 @ 12:47 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  106. RE: [BoundaryPoint] About Wheels, Then I Lurk
    agreed could water wings be far behind ... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN
    Jun 19, 2000 @ 12:49 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  107. dear mom 2
    st stephen new brunswick canada & all is swell love m ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail
    Jun 19, 2000 @ 12:53 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  108. code77 jewish holliston ringalevio class a
    jewish lord holliston hisself class e chinese takeout class a strange flavored chicken at china ting brian tlingit menbqc no freeakin canoe anglo ca2nfnuqc
    Jun 19, 2000 @ 12:58 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  109. excommunicado on the planes of serendippity
    excoimmunicado 1 no cell phone 2 no lap top 3no vcr camcorder or webcam 4to tape recorder 5no rolling papers the planes of serendipity 1st no very clear plan
    Jun 19, 2000 @ 13:02 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  110. Re: naming the multinational points
    ... [I m a newbie so I apologize if this has already been covered or solved] I think this system will leave a handful of ambiguities. I can think of 4 off the
    Jun 19, 2000 @ 16:30 - rhall@quadritek.com (rhall@...)
  111. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: naming the multinational points
    dear randy thank you very much for this help toward 2 of my desires namely both determining & naming the multipoints i also like the directional suffixes you
    Jun 20, 2000 @ 17:56 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  112. dear mom 3
    port aux basques newfoundland & all is swell love m ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from
    Jun 20, 2000 @ 17:58 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  113. code77 jewish ca2crnbnsn
    several probable firsts were recorded yesterday at or near a point commonly called irwins point situated in the municipality of baie verte new brunswick canada
    Jun 20, 2000 @ 18:09 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  114. apologies for class designations of visits to multipoints etc
    i realize i neglected to give this information earlier class a absolutely been there class b been there pretty well usually the best one can do for unmarked
    Jun 20, 2000 @ 18:35 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  115. Tripoint Egypt-Libya-Sudan
    Just getting back to the tripoints! Accordin to my map the tripoint is the mountain J. Uwienat. Being a very straight border one could speculate the tripoint
    Jun 20, 2000 @ 19:32 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  116. Re: dear mom 3
    You are getting closer to Joe Batt s Arm! Check your map. It s on an island on the north coast of Newfoundland, near Dildo Run (no joke). ...
    Jun 21, 2000 @ 16:44 - gbutler@ix.netcom.com (gbutler@...)
  117. crnfqcs or crown fix has been sighted
    lanse au clair labrador still looking for a decent map but just took a class d photo of the crownwaters newfoundland&labrador quebec tripoint with iceberg also
    Jun 22, 2000 @ 18:04 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  118. Why Joe Batt's Arm Is Important
    Joe Batt was a scoundrel. A pirate, no less. As punishment he was marooned on the north shore of Fogo island. The year is not important. This was considered a
    Jun 24, 2000 @ 08:41 - gbutler@ix.netcom.com (gbutler@...)
  119. Tripoint Norway-Sweden-Finland
    Hi Why is the debate again not alive? Anyway, I will just point out that I have a link to the finose tripoint on my site, which is not found on Corner Corner.
    Jun 24, 2000 @ 16:52 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  120. Denmark - Sweden
    Next weekend Copenhagen becomes a border town. They are opening the bridge between Copenhagen, DK- Malmö, SE Jesper
    Jun 24, 2000 @ 17:10 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  121. Ukraine-Hungary-Slovakia
    Is the Basel tripoint the only build on tripoint? I am wondering if the Ukraine-Hungary-Slovakia is a bit simular? Lets investigate? Are there any build on
    Jun 24, 2000 @ 17:23 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  122. Velkommen hjem
    Hej Peter Velkommen hjem. Håber du ikke er alr for deprimeret efter de rødhvides indsats. Jeg vil gerne se alle de billeder du har af grænser. I denne uge
    Jun 26, 2000 @ 18:42 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  123. BoundaryPoint-subscribe@egroups.com

    Jun 27, 2000 @ 01:11 - han@cori.ac.vn (han@...)
  124. [No Subject]
    BoundaryPoint-subscribe@egroups.com
    Jun 27, 2000 @ 01:10 - han@cori.ac.vn (han@...)
  125. Re: About Wheels, Then I Lurk
    Bill, thanks for the uplifting thought. Hey, what about a personal derigible that you COULD steer? That would be getting pretty damned close to division by
    Jun 27, 2000 @ 03:57 - gbutler@ix.netcom.com (gbutler@...)
  126. The beauty of euro-points (from an amero-eurist???)
    They (the euro points and borders) change about every twenty-to-fifty years. There are more fresh dead bodies (and many old ones too) at every point. There are
    Jun 27, 2000 @ 04:43 - gbutler@ix.netcom.com (gbutler@...)
  127. crnfqcs or rather crnfpqs etc
    a second try on thursday at the crown waters newfoundland&labrador quebec south tripoint was closely attended by 3 bounding leviathans but our photo proved to
    Jun 27, 2000 @ 16:14 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  128. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: About Wheels, Then I Lurk
    I d be all for it if I could get some speed up on the damn thing, but then again, parking can be somewhat of a problem...a ground crew of one usually gets
    Jun 27, 2000 @ 21:42 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  129. Re: crnfqcs or rather crnfpqs etc
    In my way of thinking, getting to the literal end of the road qualifies as a point in itself. Go Mike and Jane, go! BH
    Jun 28, 2000 @ 00:57 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  130. nfnuqc or nfnupq or whatever continued
    the attempt at a newfoundland&labrador nunavut quebec tripoint promised earlier was in fact just a droll feint as readers of the corner corner pages under
    Jun 27, 2000 @ 16:24 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  131. crown waters new brunswick nova scotia south or crnbnss
    the second thursday of the chdefr tlingit was spent in blissful approach of ca2crnbnss at a point situated in one of the far reaches of the bay of fundy here
    Jun 30, 2000 @ 14:08 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  132. caus2crmenb & crmeus
    unscheduled bonus tries following the recent relative success at crnbnss aka crown bonuses have since been accomplished at the international intersecondary
    Jul 03, 2000 @ 14:11 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  133. Re: Logos, No Photos
    ... hahaha & thanx i noticed the angelfire has phosphorized everything at boundarypoint too i was going to say damn but i gotta believe it is for the better
    Jul 04, 2000 @ 18:54 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  134. Re: crnfqcs or rather crnfpqs etc

    Jul 05, 2000 @ 05:52 - mick donner ("mick donner" <m@...>)
  135. Re: Velkommen hjem
    ... . wrote: Hej Peter Velkommen hjem. Håber du ikke er alr for deprimeret = efter de rødhvides indsats. Jeg vil gerne se alle de billeder du har af
    Jul 05, 2000 @ 06:21 - mick donner ("mick donner" <m@...>)
  136. Re: Ukraine-Hungary-Slovakia

    Jul 05, 2000 @ 07:27 - mick donner ("mick donner" <m@...>)
  137. Re: Tripoint Norway-Sweden-Finland

    Jul 05, 2000 @ 07:49 - mick donner ("mick donner" <m@...>)
  138. apologies
    gentle people i have just noticed my recent atrocious handiwork obviously i havent mastered the controls yet anyone needing a translation of my last few posts
    Jul 05, 2000 @ 08:01 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  139. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: crnfqcs or rather crnfpqs etc
    Welcome home Mike and Jane...you guys do good work! BH
    Jul 05, 2000 @ 12:18 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  140. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Velkommen hjem
    Sorry E-mail was meant for Peter and not the group. I went ex-border hunting last weekend. I went quite south in Jutland and tried to find the Danish-German
    Jul 05, 2000 @ 18:25 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  141. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Ukraine-Hungary-Slovakia
    ... wrote: Is the Basel tripoint the only build on tripoint? I am wondering if the Ukraine-Hungary-Slovakia is a bit simular? Lets
    Jul 05, 2000 @ 18:28 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  142. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Tripoint Norway-Sweden-Finland
    for this beauty of a finose photo it is probably our first photo of an actual trinational pointreceived to date at boundarypointalso it is very curious that
    Jul 05, 2000 @ 18:34 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  143. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: crnfqcs or rather crnfpqs etc
    ... thanx pal it feels fine to us2 but i dont know if its really woyld class yet so this afternoon i am actually not napping at all but only lurking here in
    Jul 06, 2000 @ 04:00 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  144. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Velkommen hjem
    ghost boundaries are too kewl duud i have been chasing a couple of local ones myself for some years now without any so called success they are the mileposts of
    Jul 06, 2000 @ 04:00 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  145. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Ukraine-Hungary-Slovakia
    ahh i see we might say metro area tripoints fascinating question too as there are a great many tristate areas or tristates commonly referred to here new york
    Jul 06, 2000 @ 04:00 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  146. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Tripoint Norway-Sweden-Finland
    glad to explain & i do apologize again for my overcompression i would like to collect & cocreate with anyone else who is interested a file or perhaps
    Jul 06, 2000 @ 04:00 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  147. Re: Why Joe Batt's Arm Is Important
    gregg i salute your earlier request by snipping it but this scribbling of yours was truly one the funniest things i have seen lately i am in tears again
    Jul 06, 2000 @ 04:00 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  148. Re: Tripoint Egypt-Libya-Sudan
    i know trinational mountain peaks are not rare but my own unreliable map places this uwaynat peak on the libya sudan boundary perhaps 40km south of the
    Jul 06, 2000 @ 04:00 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  149. Re: naming the multinational points
    randy you & others have persuaded me about iso3166 & i could only think of the andorra & liechtenstein & swaziland tripoint pairs without looking at a map tho
    Jul 06, 2000 @ 04:01 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  150. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Jack Parsell's "Tri State Corners In The United States" available direct
    & i would like to add to your & greggs subsequent appreciatiation that without jacks book i could not have bagged ksmook if indeed i did bag it because the
    Jul 06, 2000 @ 04:01 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  151. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Austria-Germany-Switzerland
    david &or barry &or anyone else this is too intriguing for me to just let it lie there do you suppose anything can be said about the nationality of any part or
    Jul 06, 2000 @ 04:01 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  152. ksmook marker
    As i recall the pin was in the center of the road and centered on the tower. Also, in 1991 there was a tall pole supported by guy wires marking the pin.
    Jul 06, 2000 @ 05:37 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
  153. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Tripoint Norway-Sweden-Finland
    Hi David, the webmaster of http://www.mapping.com told me that there might excist a book on European tripoints. I will run through my old mails to see more. I
    Jul 06, 2000 @ 18:19 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  154. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Ukraine-Hungary-Slovakia
    Being a European I find international tripoints alot more interesting that national. But I guess living in the North America international tripoints are very
    Jul 06, 2000 @ 18:23 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  155. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Tripoint Norway-Sweden-Finland
    Jesper, no it s not dead...tomorrow is our first month s anniversary. We re just getting started! Bill
    Jul 06, 2000 @ 18:34 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  156. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: naming the multinational points
    ... Indeed. ... Indeed. ... Indeed. ... Look to the place that named a race... -- randy the mapsurfer
    Jul 06, 2000 @ 18:46 - rhall@quadritek.com (rhall@...)
  157. multinational or national
    i agree with you jesper tho i havent visited a single multinational point yet everyone can have a world class adventure pointing anywhere on any level but the
    Jul 07, 2000 @ 01:22 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  158. multinational pairs etc
    great i like the interplay & you have jogged my memory but my only map of the caucasus shows just the soviet union there with subdivisions unreadable still i
    Jul 07, 2000 @ 01:24 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  159. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ksmook marker
    thank you sir this is very good news indeed for it means i can upgrade my personal scorecard on this point without even having to leave the house from a rather
    Jul 07, 2000 @ 12:31 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  160. fry day at friggumses chowdifer
    quick chat at the entrance with basil tlingit especially see chief chef turtle yesterday frog today tomorrow the world but its bozzle you honkey the fleas are
    Jul 07, 2000 @ 15:09 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  161. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: naming the multinational points
    How about Singapore?
    Jul 07, 2000 @ 17:44 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  162. Re: [BoundaryPoint] multinational or national
    ... Me too, I never visited a tripoint myself. I have been to three continents, but actually only passed a few borders, and most as a child, and before I got
    Jul 07, 2000 @ 17:58 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  163. Re: [BoundaryPoint] multinational pairs etc
    I like the idea of making Corner Corner the full source of all multinational tripoints. There are still a lot missing, and I think we can all make Corner
    Jul 07, 2000 @ 18:09 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  164. Old email from Davis Smith
    Does anyone know this: I seem to recall a story in a magazine or newspaper about somebody who went looking for places where three or four countries meet. I
    Jul 07, 2000 @ 18:22 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  165. RE: [BoundaryPoint] multinational or national
    Jesper: Yes, when you cross the US/Mexico line at Tijuana, the actual boundary line on the main highway is marked by a series of orange/white stripes painted
    Jul 07, 2000 @ 19:19 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  166. fry day continued
    the hot crispy orange bird with scallion has flown very well & the frogs are so grateful none croaked well i dont honestly know what they appreciate or know
    Jul 07, 2000 @ 19:29 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  167. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: naming the multinational points
    hey nice call either way i mean i am not sure if you mean for multinational pairs or metro areas or both but i think you are probably at least doubly right &
    Jul 07, 2000 @ 19:57 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  168. Congratulations
    Congratulations on one months of border talk. Anyway here is my ICQ number 24611271, hope you will keep in touch and that you will submit your ICQ no as well.
    Jul 07, 2000 @ 20:06 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  169. Re: [BoundaryPoint] multinational pairs etc
    ... Somewhere to the north of the peacock throne An ancient enemy divides its rivals home In this place methinks its best To seek what s indeed weirder than
    Jul 07, 2000 @ 21:00 - rhall@quadritek.com (rhall@...)
  170. dedk
    Here is a page on the German-Danish border http://www.acu.dk/lejrskoler/F.025.html The last photo show a boundary marker (don t know the meaning though - Peter
    Jul 07, 2000 @ 21:17 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  171. RE: [BoundaryPoint] dedk
    Nice one! Jesper, can we put the link on the BP link page? Also, could you provide an English translation of the captions? Bill
    Jul 07, 2000 @ 21:56 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  172. fry day ends but party has only just begun
    well i realized after my fry day continued post of earlier today that jesper had already answered several of the questions i was raising in it so i thank you
    Jul 08, 2000 @ 05:06 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  173. Re: [BoundaryPoint] multinational or national
    ... hahahahaha hahahahaha man you are to much another virgin with a small pecker & i thought you great danes were all alike ... hey me too but i hitchhiked to
    Jul 08, 2000 @ 06:39 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  174. Re: [BoundaryPoint] multinational pairs etc
    ... great i do too assuming brian wants & can handle the increased load because it will soon be a flood i think ... absolutely ... a little of both i would
    Jul 08, 2000 @ 07:10 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  175. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Old email from Davis Smith
    ... truly awesome i want to believe i want to believe a first euro nt to dovetail with jacks yankee gospel yeehaw evoe & a hearty welcome to david who was also
    Jul 08, 2000 @ 07:22 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  176. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Congratulations
    thank you my brother & husband & congratulations to you & to all of us foregathered here in what may already be or soon become the worlds largest marriage we
    Jul 08, 2000 @ 07:31 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  177. Re: [BoundaryPoint] multinational pairs etc
    ... ahh of course it is armenia that has the pair of azeri irani tripoints but isnt there an azeri pair or something like that also i admit i am a little
    Jul 08, 2000 @ 08:33 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  178. dayo
    day ay ay yo daylight come chow defer frig gumses day is a day is a day is a day is a day ay ay yo daylight come & me wanna go zone 4 oclock humor going on 5
    Jul 08, 2000 @ 09:13 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  179. zzzzz nt well a gnat
    & then i dreamt it was wens day evening somewhere east of hawaii while somewhere west the moslems were already rejoicing in the sabbath & totally allah akbar
    Jul 09, 2000 @ 13:47 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  180. 4 crows & a squirrel
    back at the apartment in the morning after coffee i decide to walk over to chowdifer central to see if i can find any trace of the nant & the gnat & to see
    Jul 09, 2000 @ 16:28 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  181. goodspeed men & men be quick
    real word from the water beetles & rumor of red ants as well have been trickling into the chowdifer all week to the effect that brian who was last heard from
    Jul 09, 2000 @ 17:47 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  182. denmark & the singaporean twins idmysge & idmysgw
    jesper i trust i didnt scare you off with the ravings of my danish nor the passions of my barbarian patriotism & i am also glad in your momentary absence to
    Jul 09, 2000 @ 23:13 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  183. fry out is off
    patience friends jespers & my emails are both presently fried hence the silence maybe we should tone down the party a tad but its back to the pole & friggumses
    Jul 10, 2000 @ 14:03 - m@discovernet.net (m@...)
  184. Re: [BoundaryPoint] denmark & the singaporean twins idmysge & idmysgw
    ... Dunno about Singapore but I ll admit I didn t think about islands. One could wonder about any weirdnesses in all those Pacific Island groups. There s at
    Jul 10, 2000 @ 16:34 - rhall@quadritek.com (rhall@...)
  185. Re: denmark & the singaporean twins idmysge & idmysgw

    Jul 10, 2000 @ 19:48 - mick donner ("mick donner" <m@...>)
  186. testing something like your regular mike donner
    actually this is not jane at all but just mike using her computer & email again thanxx to all for your understanding as i have been scrambling to unfry my own
    Jul 10, 2000 @ 23:31 - jane capellaro (jane capellaro <j@...>)
  187. trinational point twins list in progress
    confirmed adesfre & adesfrw andorra france spain amazire & amazirw armenia azerbaijan iran atchlin & atchlis austria liechtenstein switzerland btcnine &
    Jul 11, 2000 @ 00:11 - jane capellaro (jane capellaro <j@...>)
  188. Re: [BoundaryPoint] trinational point twins list in progress
    ... My wall map of the world shows this is a triplet, although I have yet to confirm on a more detailed map. ... I think if you grant some of these, then you
    Jul 11, 2000 @ 13:44 - rhall@quadritek.com (rhall@...)
  189. Re: [BoundaryPoint] trinational point twins list in progress
    thanxxx janey & randy & all first revise follows look for uncaretted insertions ... bahryun & bahryus bosnia croatia yugoslavia ... & possibly compound ...
    Jul 11, 2000 @ 14:25 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  190. Re: [BoundaryPoint] trinational point twins list in progress
    ... If we have an imminent category, need we an unimminent category, or would it be better to avoid anything that can be misconstrued as a political view
    Jul 11, 2000 @ 15:02 - rhall@quadritek.com (rhall@...)
  191. Re: [BoundaryPoint] trinational point twins list in progress
    now you have me completely stumped randy & i am only guessing at your meaning here i assume you are saying tp for east timor & that you are questioning the
    Jul 11, 2000 @ 16:38 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  192. Re: [BoundaryPoint] trinational point twins list in progress
    great search there jesper & greater still to have you back i have been wondering too where is our multinationally greatest dane & sib peter who promised to
    Jul 11, 2000 @ 16:41 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  193. Re: [BoundaryPoint] trinational point twins list in progress
    One expected yu s southernmost component to have its own iso code. tp had its iso code long before at least some people thought perhaps it should; that is what
    Jul 11, 2000 @ 19:38 - rhall@quadritek.com (rhall@...)
  194. Re: [BoundaryPoint] trinational point twins list in progress
    hahahahaha ahh thank you randy & no i wasnt confused just stumped i do feel fairly confident tho that i understand you better now & also that you mean by
    Jul 11, 2000 @ 22:46 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  195. an unexpected visit from woody woodpecker
    during this evenings promenade au frgmsz janey added she would call bozzle woody & after the mosquitoeses ate us a while & the spiderses lurked & the bunny ran
    Jul 12, 2000 @ 00:24 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  196. Re: [BoundaryPoint] trinational point twins list in progress
    well then your anglo numero uno pilgrimage to our global treasury & treasuror & frankly treasure holds channel 1 on my screen & i am thrilled also to realize
    Jul 12, 2000 @ 13:11 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  197. Re: [BoundaryPoint] trinational point twins list in progress
    second revise following owes much & is dedicated to the mapsurfer i love look for uncaretted insertions ... eminent imminent immanent ... more confirmations &
    Jul 12, 2000 @ 15:29 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  198. akcause & akcausw & caus2nyonqc & perhaps more
    as i have been intimating lately & mumbling out loud i am currently gathering data & seeking especially any detail maps of the akwesasne mohawk reservations of
    Jul 12, 2000 @ 16:10 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  199. Re: [BoundaryPoint] trinational point twins list in progress
    ... Traveler s Century Club ... Soviet Union; if I recall correctly ... The best sitcom (besides perhaps Seinfeld) ever made which always started with that
    Jul 12, 2000 @ 21:19 - rhall@quadritek.com (rhall@...)
  200. Re: akcause & akcausw & caus2nyonqc & perhaps more
    subsequent findings on the above subjects including corrections to the original message repeated at bottom first thanx to the following official mohawk maps
    Jul 13, 2000 @ 00:18 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  201. Another yarn about JB's Arm
    Joe Batt s Arm is the farthest north I ever went on a company tab (no lie). Why would a company send me (or anyone) there? Because there are circuits to be
    Jul 13, 2000 @ 03:58 - gbutler@ix.netcom.com (gbutler@...)
  202. ok great
    you actually do sound & check out great to this md my friend of course with a few expletives deleted to protect the innocent & hopefully not betray any
    Jul 13, 2000 @ 11:53 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  203. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Another yarn about JB's Arm
    hahahahaha hahahahaha major victuals for thought here too gregg hey can you imagine the navy van was mistaken there for a victuals truck newfy for roadside
    Jul 13, 2000 @ 13:07 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  204. Re: [BoundaryPoint] trinational point twins list in progress
    ... this rewarded my quick browse especially to see others nearly as geo wingo as ourselves in fact we should let them know about us in case they ever do get
    Jul 13, 2000 @ 14:18 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  205. Re: [BoundaryPoint] trinational point twins list in progress
    ... Sorry, their list has 307, not 331 as reported earlier. -- randy the mapsurfer
    Jul 13, 2000 @ 21:06 - rhall@quadritek.com (rhall@...)
  206. RE: [BoundaryPoint] ok great
    I wouldn t take the on the FAA for love or money. When the time comes for Okeechobee, I can help with the fixed wing (either me or a friend, depending on the
    Jul 14, 2000 @ 12:01 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  207. off the record
    dear goctor dumby oops i mean doctor gumby of course & i didnt intend to mutilate but only to fondle you it is so good to hear from you again after all this
    Jul 14, 2000 @ 16:46 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  208. Re: [BoundaryPoint] trinational point twins list in progress
    third revise follows the most major changes are owing to discontinuation of some of the more fantastic notions & also to a recent realization that countries
    Jul 14, 2000 @ 19:57 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  209. Re: ok great
    hahahahaha hahahahahaha i know but dont you think okeechobee will need water wings or vertical landing bill sometimes you remind me of donald duck man if you
    Jul 14, 2000 @ 21:14 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  210. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ok great
    Water wings or vertical landing if you want to get right to the spot on the surface...if you want to fly over the spot that s a different matter I guess. Quack
    Jul 14, 2000 @ 21:18 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  211. Hi - I am back
    Dear group, I returned from my soccer trip to Holland and Belgium 10 days ago, an experience not to be missed... Very soon I ll call myself the owner of a
    Jul 15, 2000 @ 16:04 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  212. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Hi - I am back
    Peter, Congratulations on a great trip! I for one am eagerly awaiting the photos! Regarding Point Roberts: check out the Links section on the BoundaryPoint
    Jul 15, 2000 @ 22:31 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  213. Thanks Bill...
    Hi Bill, thank you so much for your immediate reply... yes, I think our group is pretty much alive!! Jesper came by yesterday and we had a long discussion on
    Jul 16, 2000 @ 12:25 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  214. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Thanks Bill...
    ... The basic point is that the European powers often negotiated boundaries without knowing the local geography. Or when the new USofA negotiated about the
    Jul 16, 2000 @ 12:58 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  215. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Hi - I am back
    welcome back in excelsis peter & bless you for atczhu our first original multinational pure gold in 213 messages i think i am not speaking out of school when i
    Jul 18, 2000 @ 03:22 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  216. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Thanks Bill...
    & specifically re the pt roberts & nw angle exclaves or enclaves uncannily i chanced to make visits also yesterday within or very close to all 3 of the
    Jul 18, 2000 @ 03:23 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  217. pix at last & last words on crown waters for now
    as promised photos of the recent crown waters quintipop are now hanging at http://www.angelfire.com/md2/polystate with a few more words hopefully not too
    Jul 18, 2000 @ 05:13 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  218. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Thanks Bill...
    I don t think these should be considered enclaves or exclaves, since the political units in question are connected through territorial waters under state and
    Jul 18, 2000 @ 16:50 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  219. Tripoints in Europe - and thanks...
    Hi everybody - first of all thank you David for your comprehensive info on map drawing policy in the last century - and thanks Michael for your encouraging
    Jul 18, 2000 @ 18:31 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  220. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Thanks Bill...
    thanx david & you are absolutely right i was using these words only in their most crude & indeed ignorant senses while groping for truer words yet each new
    Jul 18, 2000 @ 22:02 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  221. first attempted hexapopper in history
    early sunday morning jane & i were heading wnw from mt mansfield vt & back again toward the international mohawk aka akwesasne reservation for a new
    Jul 19, 2000 @ 21:17 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  222. octopopper
    ... peter interested is hardly the word fascinated magnetized & compelled would be more accurate in my case so i send you many big thanxx both for dreaming &
    Jul 20, 2000 @ 06:54 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  223. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoints in Europe - and thanks...
    ... all wonderful indeed peter we all count on our host for everything here & thanx for these wonderful hints of what must be things to come but will you tell
    Jul 20, 2000 @ 13:54 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  224. maritime multinationals
    i have finally figured out or at least i think it is true that jrv prescotts 1985 book re international maritime boundaries plus periodic united nations unclos
    Jul 20, 2000 @ 15:25 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  225. Sv: [BoundaryPoint] maritime multinationals
    Hi Michael, thanks for your comments on my count of Europ. Tps. Indeed, it s a matter of interpretation - should Tps in water be part of the count...! In this
    Jul 21, 2000 @ 18:37 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  226. gcebe & tps in h2o etc
    yesterday peter wrote in http://www.egroups.com/message/BoundaryPoint/227 ... wonderful my friend & thank you & thanx especially for acknowledging us all
    Jul 22, 2000 @ 11:23 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  227. Tp Switzerl.-Germany-France near Basel
    Hi Michael, thanks for your nice remarks they warmed my heart... The promised list on Tps in Europe is under construction , it will be submitted
    Jul 23, 2000 @ 14:08 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  228. Tripoints in Europe
    Tripoints in Europe a- Northern EUR: d- Eastern EUR: 1 - Finland / Norway / Russia 21- Estonia /
    Jul 23, 2000 @ 18:43 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  229. Tripoints in Europe - 2 , sorry!
    Sorry, but the last 4 lines in my mail got lost: c - South West. Europe: 19- Andorra / France / Spain (2 !) 41- Albania / Greece / Macedonia 42-
    Jul 23, 2000 @ 18:47 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  230. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoints in Europe
    nice work peter this is truly huge to behold & contemplate & we are now well on our way to covering the whole world my most pleasant surprise was to see a pair
    Jul 24, 2000 @ 08:52 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  231. nyqcvt plus nyonqc & other mohawks
    pix from last sundays 6 tripoint tour of mohawk land etc along the real canadian american frontier are hanging now at
    Jul 24, 2000 @ 08:55 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  232. excuuuuse me
    peter i have just realized you are absolutely right about moldova having a pair of dry twin tps with romania & ukraine please forgive my stupidity best m the
    Jul 24, 2000 @ 21:54 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  233. Re: [BoundaryPoint] trinational point twins list in progress
    fourth revise follows only one new pair here so please look for the single uncaretted insertion dedicated to peter who just quietly pointed out this not very
    Jul 24, 2000 @ 22:14 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  234. Re: [BoundaryPoint] excuuuuse me
    additional correction since both of the twin tps moldova romania ukraine are probably situated in rivers i wish i had not called them dry for i think
    Jul 25, 2000 @ 13:16 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  235. Tps Moldova-Ukraine-Romania
    Hi Michael, concerning this Tp: The river Prut forms the entire border between Moldova and Romania. The northern Tp is very close to a Moldovian town called
    Jul 25, 2000 @ 14:09 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  236. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Great Central Europ. Border Expedition 2001
    Warning everbody!! Peter s document has a virus! Jesper
    Jul 26, 2000 @ 10:31 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  237. warning - virus !?!
    Hi everybody, as Jesper told you - the attachment to my last mail probably contains a virus - don t ask me how, don t ask me why...I ll be running a new
    Jul 26, 2000 @ 11:19 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  238. now it's ok - file scanned + cleaned !!!
    Hi everybody - I just had my harddisc cleaned - yes, there was a virus (ethan?) in some of my files. Had to run the mcafee-anti-virus programme - so now my PC
    Jul 26, 2000 @ 13:12 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
  239. Re: warning - virus !?!
    ... contains a virus - ... virus programme very soon - apparently my Norton AntiVirus didn t help...! ... The original message (#238) with the suspected
    Jul 26, 2000 @ 13:49 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  240. RE: [BoundaryPoint] now it's ok - file scanned + cleaned !!!
    Peter, nice job!!! (I ve also taken the liberty of uploading the itinerary - in MS Word 97 format - to the files section.) Bill
    Jul 26, 2000 @ 13:58 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  241. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Great Central Europ. Border Expedition 2001
    another fantastic job peter i am impressed & excited btw i find attachments & files like this hard to receive & read with my primitive equipment but it is
    Jul 27, 2000 @ 01:55 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  242. to Bill and Michael
    Thanks, Bill for your message, I think it s just perfect that our GCEBE is now visible on our site s file. Michael, did you solve your attachment - reading
    Jul 27, 2000 @ 18:59 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  243. Re: [BoundaryPoint] trinational point twins list in progress
    fifth & likely final revise for a while follows lots of news here indeed nearly a doubling of the previous roster thanx to the totally awesome prescott book i
    Jul 28, 2000 @ 16:05 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  244. maritime tps actual & probable & improbable per prescott 1985 etc
    following is a first & still very rough list of the maritime tps another case in point of standing on the shoulders of giants unless indicated as actualities
    Jul 28, 2000 @ 18:49 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  245. some nice links - and an internat. quadruplet-point !
    Hi everybody - by surfing around last night I found two very exiting sites that might interest you all: 1- The university of Tuebingen/Germany did some
    Jul 29, 2000 @ 16:36 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  246. Re: [BoundaryPoint] some nice links - and an internat. quadruplet-point !
    thanxx peter for both of these delightful items the twin towns are fantastic & beautiful & the question about the quadripoints is quite wonderful too but
    Jul 30, 2000 @ 05:14 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  247. Tripoint Austria/Germany/Switzerland in Lake Constance
    I just read an interesting article on this tp, written by a Swiss lady, Frau Marianne Spiess - on: www.mms-spiess.ch on borders, border drawing problems etc.
    Jul 31, 2000 @ 16:59 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  248. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoint Austria/Germany/Switzerland in Lake Constance
    peter this is wonderful news from atchde in fact i would call it mind boggling to staggering tell me if i am all wet but it appears to me switzerland sensibly
    Jul 31, 2000 @ 20:54 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  249. was atchde plus bwnazmzw then ctmany next idmtwy
    you are welcome peter glad you like bwnazmzw & long may it & we live twin lakes connecticut is a tiny village also known as taconic ct 06079 where i used to
    Jul 31, 2000 @ 20:55 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  250. progress or retrogress reports on convocations previously crowed
    gentlebounders 1 happily the chdefr or basle tlingit & award & prize were promoted last week for the gcebe is alive & well & likely to visit this point in
    Jul 31, 2000 @ 21:55 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  251. topozone.com
    www.topozone.com pretty much takes care of topographic map needs for the US. The coverage is complete and you can t beat the free price.
    Aug 01, 2000 @ 01:21 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  252. Re: [BoundaryPoint] topozone.com
    that is incredible brian i have long been wishing for this but it is far better than i could ever have imagined so how did you manage to pull it off great to
    Aug 01, 2000 @ 02:22 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  253. Re: topozone.com
    I didn t have anything to do with creating the site. Someone told me about it and then I read something about it in the local newspaper. It is a pretty nifty
    Aug 01, 2000 @ 11:26 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  254. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: topozone.com
    Brian, what are the minimum contour intervals in the Topo! CD-ROM? Bill
    Aug 01, 2000 @ 11:35 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  255. Thanks Michael - from Peter
    Hi Michael, thanks for your comments on my research on Tp atchge ! I find the non-existence of valid agreements on how to divide the lake confusing myself -
    Aug 01, 2000 @ 21:13 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  256. Re: topozone.com
    The contour interval varies because the maps on Topo! are actual high resolution scans of the paper topo maps. In most locations the contour interval is 10
    Aug 01, 2000 @ 22:27 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  257. Dogs and Bogs
    Tomorrow morning Gregg and I (with large dogs) are driving up to northern Maine to begin attempts on five points as follows: 1. Northermost point in Maine -
    Aug 01, 2000 @ 22:47 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  258. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: topozone.com
    Thanks..the reason I asked is that I need 5-10 intervals here in Florida as is typical on the paper maps. I had tried Topo USA by Delorme, but I think that
    Aug 01, 2000 @ 22:50 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  259. Michael Donner's address
    I just got back from the Highpointers convention in Hawaii and found message about Michael s impending trip to idmtwy. Also found in my land mail copies of
    Aug 02, 2000 @ 02:06 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
  260. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Thanks Michael - from Peter
    ... you are most welcome peter & i agree nothing but the truth indeed i am so glad you said that for truth is all everyone would salute & this really is
    Aug 02, 2000 @ 05:06 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  261. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Michael Donner's address
    that is wonderful jack i didnt realize you are a high pointer too fantastic you must have really enjoyed ctmany & the ct hi pt being only a quarter of a mile
    Aug 02, 2000 @ 05:06 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  262. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Dogs and Bogs
    yess another quinti go men go dogs go men men be nimble menbqc yess hmm mes & nhe sound positively delightful too yess mes yess mes nhe nhe nhe nhe nhe nhe
    Aug 02, 2000 @ 05:06 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  263. us2ohpawv & the 3 great lakes virgins
    just wanting to add to my preliminary report on idmtwy that i have also just selected her 4 journeymate points & all of these are really ducky too like it
    Aug 02, 2000 @ 05:06 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  264. Hi - I am also back
    Hi I am back now, got a brand new computer. I hope I have been missed. I do have a lot of catching up to be done. Jesper
    Aug 02, 2000 @ 21:19 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  265. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Hi - I am also back
    nice going jesper or rather nice returning & congrats on your new machine peter kept us posted so we knew you were really there just out of sight a little
    Aug 03, 2000 @ 01:47 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  266. men mee mes & mew
    now that our men brian & gregg are probably well on their way north to men men meaning here the northernmost point of maine & on their way east also to mee
    Aug 03, 2000 @ 02:14 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  267. To Brian & Gregg - safe trip a. lots of border pictures..!
    Hi Brian & Gregg, most interesting to read about your trip north..! Especially Estcourt Station is one of my favourits, I ll visit this village for sure on my
    Aug 03, 2000 @ 07:12 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  268. Re: [BoundaryPoint] men mee mes & mew
    I had once heard that there are 5 unresolved boundry disputes between US and CA, with at least one or two of them involving ME. I have never had the
    Aug 03, 2000 @ 12:57 - rhall@quadritek.com (rhall@...)
  269. Re: [BoundaryPoint] men mee mes & mew
    hey randy great one too i am cribbing from a 1997 ibru bulletin by david h gray which seems to indicate canada did then have 5 maritime disputes 1 of them
    Aug 03, 2000 @ 14:21 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  270. nhe & mes & menhus extra
    i just noticed bus&ss p61 says a redefined menh interstate compact line thru the isles of shoals was awaiting supreme court consent when that book went to
    Aug 03, 2000 @ 18:18 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  271. menhus manhus marius & 15 more
    the search for menhus if not also for mes & nhe has led me to ask the new hampshire state library online reference department about the menh interstate
    Aug 04, 2000 @ 06:44 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  272. Re: [BoundaryPoint] menhus manhus marius & 15 more
    It s time for me to contribute a bit Here s a link: http://search.corbis.com/default.asp?q=boundary+marker&v=1&s=boundary+marker&image1.x=9&image1.y=4 Jesper
    Aug 04, 2000 @ 12:26 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  273. Re: [BoundaryPoint] menhus manhus marius & 15 more
    hahahaha a big mac of a 4 bagger too thank you jesper i was craving a spot of rock myself hey i think i ate one of those already urp & i like the way you
    Aug 04, 2000 @ 15:40 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  274. China-Kyrgyzstan-Tajikistan Tripoint Agreed
    Legal experts from the three countries have reportedly agreed in principle on the location where their boundaries meet. The official treaty will be signed at
    Aug 04, 2000 @ 19:48 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  275. Re: [BoundaryPoint] China-Kyrgyzstan-Tajikistan Tripoint Agreed
    another nice catch jesper i think you have brought us to the roof of the world now & the tripoint itself could well be among the loftiest of the premier class
    Aug 05, 2000 @ 02:29 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  276. nyrius njnyus denjus & the chase continues
    still flushed with yesterdays success at marius i continued cruising southwest down the atlantic seaboard this morning on the magic carpet express setting my
    Aug 05, 2000 @ 02:31 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  277. Re: [BoundaryPoint] nyrius njnyus denjus & the chase continuesI think USGS would say that they are no AUTHORITIES on the positions of legal boundaries. Frankly, I am surprised that they even bother to put on the "
    I think USGS would say that they are no AUTHORITIES on the positions of legal boundaries. Frankly, I am surprised that they even bother to put on the 3 mile
    Aug 05, 2000 @ 13:00 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  278. Re: [BoundaryPoint] nyrius njnyus denjus & the chase continuesI think USGS would say that they are no AUTHORITIES on the positions of legal boundaries. Frankly, I am surprised that they even bother to put on the "
    ... indeed they have told me they are no authorities themselves but then added inexplicably except in the case of west virginia mainly tho i think they are
    Aug 05, 2000 @ 16:04 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  279. maritime boundary between new hampshire & maine
    david said good question someone should check a law library if they are interested thanx my friend hows this for a dumb start excuse me again back soon
    Aug 05, 2000 @ 16:50 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  280. Re: [BoundaryPoint] nyrius njnyus denjus & the chase continuesI think USGS would say that they are no AUTHORITIES on the positions of legal boundaries. Frankly, I am surprised that they even bother to put on the "
    ... well idmtwy is legend & it may even have been i who first farted over it idaho montana wyoming njnypa is more subtle new jersey new york pennsylvania but
    Aug 05, 2000 @ 16:50 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  281. the american coastal honor guard or the 18 u s marines
    well you know how i have been enthusing so down & across & up the coasts of my country lately & it has really been a wild tear thanx to brian & gregg & the
    Aug 05, 2000 @ 23:37 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  282. Re: [BoundaryPoint] the american coastal honor guard or the 18 u s marines
    ... I count 61 sets of 3 or more states (not counting DC) that share at least one common point. 1 set is the set of 4 states that meet at the Four Corners 1
    Aug 05, 2000 @ 23:50 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  283. Maine Trip Report
    Gregg and I are back from our expedition. We successfully visited the northernmost point in Maine at Estcourt, the Maine - New Brunswick - Québec tri-point,
    Aug 06, 2000 @ 01:45 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  284. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Maine Trip Report
    What a great trip! Congratulations...I m envious..can t wait to see the photos! Bill
    Aug 06, 2000 @ 01:58 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  285. Re: the american coastal honor guard or the 18 u s marines
    Mike, I m glad you are interested in researching all the details of these 3-mile-out-to-sea points but I think you are buffing a turd. BJB
    Aug 06, 2000 @ 02:03 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  286. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: the american coastal honor guard or the 18 u s marines
    ... hahahahaha hahahahaha thank you my friend hahahaha & who did you say would swim for it in the buff hahaha thank you thank you that was an enormously
    Aug 06, 2000 @ 04:22 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  287. Re: [BoundaryPoint] the american coastal honor guard or the 18 u s marines
    another interesting & very substantial agreement david & i think we benefit greatly also from having these 2 different viewpoints in fact i so appreciate what
    Aug 06, 2000 @ 04:27 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  288. political week in america rainbow on your trypointing dial
    87 lunatic fringe very good 86 ultra radical all wet 83 liberal ahhh violets 65 moderate what me worry 61 conservative ahhh roses 30
    Aug 06, 2000 @ 15:18 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  289. Re: [BoundaryPoint] the american coastal honor guard or the 18 u s marines
    ... Personally I only find the points interesting if there are three or more regions or partitions AT THE SAME LEVEL in the political hierarchy come together.
    Aug 06, 2000 @ 15:56 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  290. Germany and Luxemburg overlap (fwd)
    ... Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 12:35:31 +0200 From: Barry Smith To: David Mark Subject: Germany and Luxemburg
    Aug 06, 2000 @ 16:04 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  291. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Preliminary MENBQC Photo
    bad link ... From: Brian Butler To: Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 8:10 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint]
    Aug 06, 2000 @ 18:13 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  292. Preliminary MENBQC Photo
    I have posted a preliminary photo of the Maine - New Brunswick - Quebec tri-point monument at http://www.bjbsoftware.com/tristate/photo/menbqccone.html.
    Aug 06, 2000 @ 18:16 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  293. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Germany and Luxemburg overlap (fwd)
    another bolt of bliss from barry smith who is this angel of ours anyway david i hope he realizes how much he is appreciated around here can you or he say what
    Aug 06, 2000 @ 19:27 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  294. continued haply ever after
    ... i am multi glad you said that because it is good to learn your interests & tastes & it confirms & encourages my own subjective impressions & assessments
    Aug 06, 2000 @ 19:28 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  295. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Preliminary MENBQC Photo
    It works if you remove the period at the end (at least it did for me). Re: the photo...it s finger lickin good. Bill ... From: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen
    Aug 06, 2000 @ 20:23 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  296. RE: [BoundaryPoint] political week in america rainbow on your trypointing dial
    hahahaha! Very good, Mick! ... From: michael donner [mailto:m@discovernet.net] Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 11:18 AM To: BoundaryPoint@egroups.com Subject:
    Aug 06, 2000 @ 20:24 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  297. Re: [BoundaryPoint] continued haply ever after
    ... As a first cut I d find someone who has loaded up international boundaries in a geographic information system, and then get a listing of all the nodes .
    Aug 06, 2000 @ 20:34 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  298. Re: [BoundaryPoint] continued haply ever after
    ... California - Baja California - Arizona Baja California - Arizona - Sonora Arizona - Sonora - New Mexico Sonora - New Mexico - Chihuahua New Mexico -
    Aug 06, 2000 @ 20:45 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  299. Re: [BoundaryPoint] continued haply ever after
    ... Sticking to my same level principle, the only tri-Province points that Canada may have are wet ones in the Gulf of St. Lawrence or the Cabot Strait. And
    Aug 06, 2000 @ 21:19 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  300. grad students 1st approximation of tri country pts
    yess yesss high fives all around this is better than a fondest dream david i trust it will be a wet one too please keep us posted huge thanX m
    Aug 06, 2000 @ 22:30 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  301. RE: [BoundaryPoint] political week in america rainbow on your trypointing dial
    ... thanx bill very good to see you laughing regularly here again m
    Aug 06, 2000 @ 22:33 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  302. RE: [BoundaryPoint] political week in america rainbow on your trypointing dial
    Glad to be back...it seems I ve got a lot of reading to catch up on. B
    Aug 06, 2000 @ 22:27 - Jane Hanrahan ("Jane Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  303. canadian tripoints
    david earlier today ... well i think we can safely rule these out since they would require allocating or breaking the queens waters just mentioning which is
    Aug 06, 2000 @ 23:01 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  304. RE: [BoundaryPoint] political week in america rainbow on your trypointing dial
    hahahaha well that is largely my doing but it truly is all optional & sort of like background music if anything m
    Aug 06, 2000 @ 23:07 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  305. state rummy maine connecticut utah
    an earlier try at a state cardinal meld or news tour in this case encompassing the state of connecticut was made by jane & me mostly last year it is reported
    Aug 07, 2000 @ 01:11 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  306. Re: state rummy maine connecticut utah
    Maybe he lives nearby with his 7 wives and 42 children. BJB
    Aug 07, 2000 @ 13:51 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  307. news tour gap at cts or southernmost connecticut
    haha the 7 wives had 7 cats too i think http://www.topozone/com/map.asp?lat=40.9715&lon=-73.63&size=s&s=50 shows distance a bit under 2 nautical miles south
    Aug 07, 2000 @ 14:50 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  308. Re: [BoundaryPoint] some nice links - and an internat. quadruplet-point !
    Hi Peter Nice pictures of the new borders in the new East. I remember once a programme on tv of the border split of Czechoslovakia, but have not been able to
    Aug 07, 2000 @ 15:49 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  309. St Martin/St. Maarten
    I have found some info on what I think is the smallest border on an island. http://www.image.dk/~jesniel/border/stmartin.htm Jesper
    Aug 07, 2000 @ 17:09 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  310. Re: [BoundaryPoint] St Martin/St. Maarten
    ... yes & what a paradisal abode for the boundary patron that monument was really more a freakin pyramid too nice reach jesper & i think a righteous moment
    Aug 07, 2000 @ 18:25 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  311. Corner Corner Construction
    Over the couple of months I will be substantially rebuilding the Corner Corner site because it will be moving to a new server with different capabilities.
    Aug 07, 2000 @ 20:09 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  312. Corner Corner Construction Link Correction
    Sorry for the bad link to the Corner Corner. It contained a typographical error. It should have been: http://www.realmbuilder.com/tristate BJB
    Aug 07, 2000 @ 20:12 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  313. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Corner Corner Construction Link Correction
    On the technical side, I could appreciate some meta tags, so we could get the site registered in search engines. And perhaps get more boundary friends. Jesper
    Aug 07, 2000 @ 21:40 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  314. Quick GIS list of MultiCountry points
    Emil Boasson is a PhD student here at Buffalo geography, who is from Iceland. He obtained this draft list of multi-country points using a GIS. He found
    Aug 07, 2000 @ 23:23 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  315. Re: Quick list (fwd)
    ... Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 19:39:19 -0400 From: Emil Boasson To: David Mark Subject: Re: Quick list There are
    Aug 07, 2000 @ 23:35 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  316. Re: [BoundaryPoint] some nice links - and an internat. quadruplet-point !
    ... I have it in my notes that Namibia s Caprivi Strip ALMOST reaches a four-country point with Botswana, Zambia, and Zimbabwe. Clockwise around the possible
    Aug 08, 2000 @ 01:30 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  317. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Corner Corner Construction
    wonderful news & presents all around brian & it is beginning to feel like we are really on the move now with developments like this on top of everything else
    Aug 08, 2000 @ 02:36 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  318. Re: [BoundaryPoint] some nice links - and an internat. quadruplet-point !
    dear david & emil 165 thanxx & more for this whole enormous contribution & advance i am sincerely staggered by it with very best wishes m about the quadripoint
    Aug 08, 2000 @ 02:37 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  319. Re: Quick GIS list of MultiCountry points
    oops misdirected previously
    Aug 08, 2000 @ 04:20 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  320. Re: Quick GIS list of MultiCountry points
    from david offlist still i think this is very good news to share ... ok beautiful here is the question then ignoring 3mile & 3league data in this case because
    Aug 08, 2000 @ 14:50 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  321. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Quick GIS list of MultiCountry points
    well it does appear then that emil & peter in messages 230 & 231 agree completely about europe after the 4 sets of twins there are factored in & i know emil
    Aug 08, 2000 @ 19:03 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  322. Europ. tripoints + Lake Constance
    Hello everybody, thanks David for your quick list, supplied by Emil. Compared to my own list, sent to the group on July 23 (tripoints in Europe) a few remarks:
    Aug 08, 2000 @ 19:50 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  323. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Europ. tripoints + Lake Constance
    oh no hahahahaha & i was counting on you peter but i say the more the merrier & no matter anyway as i am counting on you once again & delighted you are back
    Aug 08, 2000 @ 22:29 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  324. Re: Quick GIS list of MultiCountry Points
    a further check of the quick gis list against some maps of asia & africa indicates we are not quite as close as i had imagined to getting a complete draft list
    Aug 09, 2000 @ 04:49 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  325. question for peter
    good morning sire & sires & dames what do you think of barry smiths bedelu tripoint line or joints & what are you counting it or them as also his brilliant
    Aug 09, 2000 @ 14:04 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  326. Tp BeDeLu - reply to Michael
    Dear Michael, thanks for your inquiry about the Tp BeDeLu (I m about to learn the abbrevs...- you see...): In my humble opinion this point - or pair of joint
    Aug 09, 2000 @ 14:58 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  327. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tp BeDeLu - reply to Michael
    multi awesome once again master ... awesome how you have increased them ... imho you have nothing to be humble about tho ... very very well in fact we may
    Aug 09, 2000 @ 16:07 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  328. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tp BeDeLu - reply to Michael
    The normal positional accuracy of topographic maps is often considered to be about 0.5 mm (1/50 inch), and so a 1:25,000 scale map can show positions only to
    Aug 09, 2000 @ 16:42 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  329. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tp BeDeLu - reply to Michael
    ... indeed that illuminates & enhances no more than 1 point on any normal map to represent this 1 &or perhaps these 2 & 3 points on the earth indeed these 1
    Aug 09, 2000 @ 17:53 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  330. notice the following material is highly optional & not rec
    ommended for insensitive audiences interim report on new hampshire state library promise to answer any reasonable question within a week for probably less than
    Aug 09, 2000 @ 21:55 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  331. MENBQC Photos Posted
    Photos of our expedition to the Maine - New Brunswick - Quebec tripoint are now posted on the Corner Corner at
    Aug 10, 2000 @ 13:06 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  332. MEN Photos Posted
    Photos of our visit to the northermost point in Maine are posted on the Corner Corner at http://www.realmbuilder.com/tristate/PointDetail.asp?PointID=250
    Aug 10, 2000 @ 13:07 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  333. photos devoured
    brian thanx for the pix & good to be here again i am wondering if you happen to also have a view from quoddy head facing east southeast toward grandma nan
    Aug 10, 2000 @ 15:20 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  334. isles of shoals off again
    i mean postponed again not on the road again shucks because the ferry island is a private religious community uh oh no pets allowed either oh no & the
    Aug 10, 2000 @ 16:02 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  335. Re: MEE Photos Not Developed Yet
    brian offline earlier today ... mermaids & gentle jellies i trust i am within school to share the above good news with you because i know how darned bashful
    Aug 10, 2000 @ 20:54 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  336. Corner Corner Offline
    The Corner Corner has moved to a new server with new capabilities. The site will be down for a while and will re-emerge as a [hopefully] improved version. The
    Aug 11, 2000 @ 15:33 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  337. questions for the amazing one
    & while we are waiting for mee to be properly disposed of only in toon town of course & not seriously i believe according to the rules of kibbitzing &
    Aug 11, 2000 @ 18:47 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  338. message from hrh jack the 1st king for life of us2
    friend roamers & countrypersons this is going to need several instalments but i will take leave to transcribe at length first from jacks letter to me for
    Aug 11, 2000 @ 21:18 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  339. about the enclosures from jack
    ... this casts a whole new light on the try for the point of beginning & anyone pursuing this point or topic really should read all 12 pages what they say in a
    Aug 12, 2000 @ 07:04 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  340. Estcourt station,Me. again and again...
    Thanks to Brian + Gregg for their most interesting report on their trip north - and the nice pictures...! I shall most certainly visit that place on my next
    Aug 12, 2000 @ 08:55 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  341. Re: Estcourt station,Me. again and again...
    This part of the boundary line between Canada and the United States was established in 1842 by the Treaty of Washington. The houses in question are certainly
    Aug 12, 2000 @ 12:17 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  342. Re: questions for the amazing one
    As is often the case, Mike, I have no idea what you are trying to say.
    Aug 12, 2000 @ 12:22 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  343. brass pin at ksmook
    For micheal, and others who are interested, here are pictures taken June 1991 at ksmook. You are familiar with the stone cairn which is also shown in 1999
    Aug 12, 2000 @ 14:32 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@gisco.net>)
  344. Southernmost point in US
    Here is one that nobody has mentioned so far. South Cape (Ka Loe) is at the extreme southern tip of the big island. The only town in that vicinity is Naalehu
    Aug 12, 2000 @ 15:34 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@gisco.net>)
  345. good day all
    yes i agree with you brian in this case i too admittedly was still groping for what i was trying to say when peters & jacks blockbusters began to arrive
    Aug 12, 2000 @ 17:22 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  346. Re: [BoundaryPoint] brass pin at ksmook
    hahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha this is the best one yet jack hahahahaha i have been waiting to see the pix til now or wouldve been back sooner & i will have
    Aug 12, 2000 @ 21:46 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  347. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Southernmost point in US
    ... who uss ... awe right we got uss & we got use youse yess jack i tink we gotta go for dose alaskan cards now too for your news tour yesss if i may offer
    Aug 12, 2000 @ 23:12 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  348. Corner Corner Silent
    By now the Internet routers are aware of the Corner Corner s new IP address (but same domain name). You will note that the site has been severely truncated.
    Aug 13, 2000 @ 01:50 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  349. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Estcourt station,Me. again and again...
    glad to re escort & station you both again & again i could not rightly follow or place you tho nor is it absolutely necessary to clarify but i thought the link
    Aug 13, 2000 @ 03:55 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  350. http://www.angelfire.com/md2/polystate2/index4.html nant
    na no analysis nt no text
    Aug 13, 2000 @ 03:57 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  351. oops link is in text
    http://www.angelfire.com/md2/polystate2/index4.html
    Aug 13, 2000 @ 04:02 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  352. Yemen-Saudi Frontier
    hot dahm saint lawrence of arabia mohawks
    Aug 13, 2000 @ 14:48 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  353. 4coner pt link in text below
    http://www.angelfire.com/md/onner/index2.html see you later out to play m
    Aug 13, 2000 @ 16:00 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  354. Jerusalem
    Perhaps Jerusalem (and Israel) is worth a visit for the BoundaryFreak. http://cliffie.nosc.mil/~NATLAS/Cities/Jerusalem.jpg Spot any tripoints? Jesper
    Aug 13, 2000 @ 19:07 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  355. Re: Jerusalem
    I didn t see any tri-points on your map, but for some major boundary definitions in this vicinity check out Joshua 10 - Joshua 22. But I don t know if they
    Aug 14, 2000 @ 01:17 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  356. Re: Estcourt station,Me. again and again...
    I think construction on the boundary is probably regulated to the point of prohibition. The boundary environs you mention on the Mohawk reservation sound
    Aug 14, 2000 @ 01:22 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  357. Re: 4coner pt link in text below
    Nice cones, Jane.
    Aug 14, 2000 @ 01:25 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  358. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Jerusalem
    hahahahaha yes jesper you have done it again hahaha this map makes it look like spratly islanders vacationing in baarle came over to the holey land for swiss
    Aug 14, 2000 @ 04:40 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  359. St. Maarten
    Just another link to St. Martin/St Maarten http://www.st-maarten.com/home.html Jesper ... From: Jack Parsell To: Bill Hanrahan Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000
    Aug 14, 2000 @ 13:07 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  360. Re: [BoundaryPoint] St. Maarten
    just indeed jesper for what a freakin nother map this is & story juxtaposing wonderland & paradise yet & with a jerusalem hearty joke for tri country as if the
    Aug 14, 2000 @ 16:18 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  361. gcebe - reply to Michael
    Dear Michael, thanks for your encouraging words about next year s expedition. As I stated before, the itinerary sent to the group was purely ment as a rough
    Aug 14, 2000 @ 20:52 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  362. Three or four Countries 161 node
    Trying again. Had not confirmed to egroups. originally setny Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 21:12:15 -0400 To: BoundaryPoint@egroups.com Dear all Thank you all for
    Aug 14, 2000 @ 21:47 - Emil Boasson (Emil Boasson <eb3@...>)
  363. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Three or four Countries 161 node
    dear emil a very warm welcome back & thanxx for taking the trouble to join the group in earnest too & for your persistent efforts on our behalf it is very
    Aug 15, 2000 @ 04:43 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  364. Re: [BoundaryPoint] gcebe - reply to Michael
    various recent sovereign threads ... thank you my liege by night & by day do we also adore the many mansions of your & our multicountrydom indeed ours is no
    Aug 15, 2000 @ 18:21 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  365. Tri-Country Nodes
    For your enjoyment I have posted several maps with the Tri-Country Nodes on this site: http://www.geog.buffalo.edu/~eb3/Tri/World.html The site also includes
    Aug 15, 2000 @ 22:44 - Emil Boasson (Emil Boasson <eb3@...>)
  366. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tri-Country Nodes
    very nice pointing indeed emil so thanxx & kudos to you & to david also for getting this going it is great to see at last & so vividly the overall
    Aug 16, 2000 @ 13:47 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  367. Update and correction
    Dear all, David with his sharp eye has pointed out a mistake in the URL I gave you yesterday. The correct one with access to several frames is:
    Aug 16, 2000 @ 14:48 - Emil Boasson (Emil Boasson <eb3@...>)
  368. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Estcourt station,Me. again and again...
    this goes back a few days to a question i was asking brian about whether he thought the caus international boundary commission was being disingenuous in
    Aug 16, 2000 @ 22:57 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  369. the gis & the akcauses & a question for bill
    ye gads i realize from the resounding silence that my recent endeavor to be at cause rather than merely at effect in the game of amassing tri country gold may
    Aug 17, 2000 @ 14:02 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  370. great job, Emil - thanks !
    Great job, Emil - I enjoy your work - could a count on you for next year s GCEBE - would be great...! Peter
    Aug 17, 2000 @ 14:55 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  371. questions for jack & peter
    as pontiff max of canada it was of course no problem for me to liberate my mohawks unilaterally so in canadian everyones land that is already a simple fact of
    Aug 17, 2000 @ 17:15 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  372. Sv: [BoundaryPoint] questions for jack & peter
    All the confirmation and blessings you wish my son Peter ... From: michael donner To: Sent: Thursday, August
    Aug 17, 2000 @ 18:53 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  373. first 2 gold dots at least
    hahahahahahahaha ahhh hahahaha so it will be written & so it will be done & the mohawks will have their pair of golden dots or do you think they should be
    Aug 18, 2000 @ 18:18 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  374. Re: [BoundaryPoint] first 2 gold dots at least
    Is this the Caribbean counterpart for Peter s French/Swiss hotel? Jesper http://www2.gobeach.com/sxmvillas/arcadia.htm
    Aug 19, 2000 @ 18:21 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  375. Cyprus
    Cyprus border http://www.nicosia.org.cy/line.htm Jesper
    Aug 19, 2000 @ 19:45 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  376. Unknown border
    Can anyone identify this border Peter - the expert? http://198.174.169.200/unicycling/btdt/border.jpg
    Aug 19, 2000 @ 22:19 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  377. a gold dot moves about 3500 feet
    whoops it now appears from the usgs topo at http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=45.0008&lon=-74.5603&s=25&size=m i was mistaken last month to conclude that the
    Aug 20, 2000 @ 13:49 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  378. st martin unicycles & more
    multi thanxxx to jesper for yesterdays tri boundary treat especially the unicycles & the extra blast of paradise the map in the previous st martin link
    Aug 20, 2000 @ 13:58 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  379. gcebe
    this mornings contraband run has helped me to face & fess up to the following realities in relation to gcebe i realize now my enthusiasm may have been more an
    Aug 20, 2000 @ 14:29 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  380. another cancellation & continuation
    only the semicenturial conflagration of the west could have stopped me from presenting myself to the forest service at idmtwy for the necessary gate key & that
    Aug 20, 2000 @ 15:02 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  381. Sv: [BoundaryPoint] Unknown border
    Well, shouldn t be that difficult: the sign clearly says Staatsgrenze , an expression only used by the Austrians. Topography taken into consideration, this
    Aug 20, 2000 @ 15:02 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  382. Sv: [BoundaryPoint] gcebe
    Dear Michael, I just read your mail and must admit that I m really confused ! What has contraband to do with your possible participation in the GCEBE...?
    Aug 20, 2000 @ 15:07 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  383. Re: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] gcebe
    dear peter thank you i just mean i can foresee at each of the numerous customs searches we & our luggage & vehicle will inevitably endure i would be subject
    Aug 20, 2000 @ 17:57 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  384. Documents?
    Dear Boundaries Members: Greetings from Vietnam Thank you very much for the course of contacts you have been maintaining for my organization. I would like to
    Aug 21, 2000 @ 02:39 - han@cori.ac.vn (han@...)
  385. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Documents?
    dear pho hoang han thank you for this interesting question which i imagine you may have intended to direct also or especially to the international
    Aug 21, 2000 @ 13:25 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  386. a tangent about americas forgotten exclaves
    thanxx to information provided by boundarypoint member arif samad & http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=40.6973&lon=-74.041&s=50&size=s it is now possible to
    Aug 21, 2000 @ 18:10 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  387. Sv: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] gcebe
    Dear Michael, thanks for your mail. I m still a bit confused, please enlighten me about your reasons for withdrawing from our expedition at this early
    Aug 21, 2000 @ 18:40 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  388. Re: Sv: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] gcebe
    If I remember Peter Herring is one of the best Sherry type of vine and made in Danmark. There are several Western European Countries not communist countries
    Aug 21, 2000 @ 19:08 - Emil Boasson (Emil Boasson <eb3@...>)
  389. Re: Sv: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] gcebe
    I would like to contribute to the border control issue. A colleague of mine returned from the yearly European car holiday - driving all the way from Denmark to
    Aug 21, 2000 @ 19:26 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  390. Re: Sv: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] gcebe
    ... And you better bring your passport if you are traveling to li (unless arriving from ch), but I didn t need anything to enter gl from is or to enter is from
    Aug 21, 2000 @ 19:28 - rhall@quadritek.com (rhall@...)
  391. Re: Sv: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] gcebe
    thanxxxx again peter & now emil & jesper & randy too for whatever the outcome it is a great pleasure to be raising so much dust about this or anything
    Aug 21, 2000 @ 22:00 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  392. Re: Sv: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] gcebe
    ... This stirs up the Icelanders national pride. Usually we would like to keep our feet in two boats, as the Chines say. One one occasion we sense we are
    Aug 21, 2000 @ 22:27 - Emil Boasson (Emil Boasson <eb3@...>)
  393. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Documents?
    Dear Mr. Donnor Thank you very much for you thoughtfull advice, i will try my best to keep contact and ofcourse to sharethings woith our members. Thank you han
    Aug 24, 2000 @ 01:41 - han@cori.ac.vn (han@...)
  394. Sv: Sv: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] gcebe
    Dear Emil, thanks for reminding me of the resemblance of my name and the Sherry. Some facts: Peter Heering is a Liqueur made of cherries and is spelt with a
    Aug 22, 2000 @ 09:43 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  395. Peter Heering
    Kære Peter Thanks for correcting my spelling of Peter Heering. I guess that discussion on that excellent liqueur is a bit out of point and beyond the
    Aug 22, 2000 @ 13:51 - Emil Boasson (Emil Boasson <eb3@...>)
  396. Cutting Through the Crap
    I believe Mike is asking the question Will anyone be concerned if I try to carry illegal drugs across national boundaries during the GCEBE? Mike, pardon me
    Aug 22, 2000 @ 15:28 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  397. Re: Sv: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] gcebe
    hey you guys ecstatic to see you so beside the point & yourselves indeed the point & the pointer are one so anything we can learn about one another is very
    Aug 22, 2000 @ 17:07 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  398. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cutting Through the Crap
    thank you my wizard i wish i had said that & you are permanently pardoned for anything m
    Aug 22, 2000 @ 17:08 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  399. Sv: [BoundaryPoint] Peter Heering
    Kære Emil, jeg havde helt overset at du - naturligvis - også taler dansk. In exchange for my explaining the somehow confusing realities about the Heerings
    Aug 22, 2000 @ 18:10 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  400. Re: [BoundaryPoint] a tangent about americas forgotten exclaves
    By a May 26 1998 ruling of the US Supreme Court, Ellis Island is now divided between two states. New York retains only about 5 acres (including the main
    Aug 22, 2000 @ 18:15 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  401. Re: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] Peter Heering
    You mentioned North cape, and I have a question: ... Why would you call North Cape the Northernmost point of Continental Europe , since it is on an island??
    Aug 22, 2000 @ 19:42 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  402. Re: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] Peter Heering
    i agree if i may butt in so the true 7 continents of the world mateys are in size places 1 afroeurasia 2 america 3 antarctica 4 australia 5 greenland 6 new
    Aug 22, 2000 @ 20:15 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  403. Re: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] Peter Heering
    You are right my name is not highly Nordic, but my ancestors arrived around 1100 years ago from Norway and Ireland. Some of them were rather religious and
    Aug 22, 2000 @ 20:56 - Emil Boasson (Emil Boasson <eb3@...>)
  404. Re: [BoundaryPoint] a tangent about americas forgotten exclaves
    another delicious one david & so 1 of our 3 great exclave bubbles has a st martins line now too & probably both entire islands are entirely federal besides
    Aug 22, 2000 @ 21:18 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  405. hey ive got to tell you
    just because we have a gusher going here lately too there was an incredibly interesting oilpatch memo that just blew thru ibru ooh i hope you guys keep that up
    Aug 22, 2000 @ 21:54 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  406. Re: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] Peter Heering
    & so the only real trans ultracontinental superpowers still standing in the world are again in size places 1 australia 2 denmark 3 indonesia
    Aug 22, 2000 @ 22:26 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  407. Sv: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] Peter Heering
    Dear Mark, thanks for your mail. Technically you re right, absolutely - because the North Cape is situated on Magerøya (øya meens island in Norwegian). -
    Aug 23, 2000 @ 08:17 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  408. the truth first about st martin
    http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=48.995&lon=-100.21&size=s&s=25 shows 2 international islands smaller than st martin the westerly of these is the smallest
    Aug 23, 2000 @ 15:43 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  409. how much truth can we stand
    the true continents & their owners continued the exercise of determining the true continents & their controlling countries which was so well begun yesterday
    Aug 23, 2000 @ 16:46 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  410. Re: [BoundaryPoint] the truth first about st martin
    Michael That is a very great map. That eastern island looks extremely interesting. I would like to see a closer look at the island. I wonder if there any
    Aug 23, 2000 @ 17:10 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  411. Re: [BoundaryPoint] the truth first about st martin
    How about the border on the island between Namibia-Zimbabwe-Zambia-Botswana? J
    Aug 23, 2000 @ 17:14 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  412. continents
    No one here is going to redefine the continents. I still think it is a more interesting question to find out the boundries of the actual ones. Questions like
    Aug 23, 2000 @ 18:01 - rhall@quadritek.com (rhall@...)
  413. Re: [BoundaryPoint] the truth first about st martin
    thanx jesper glad you like it ... the topo shows monuments 706 & 707 off to either side of the lake & the ibc monument list at
    Aug 23, 2000 @ 21:43 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  414. Re: [BoundaryPoint] continents
    good man i just wanted to know what they really tasted like urrp i didnt mean to redefine them i am sure columbia still owns new york & i know i wasnt neat on
    Aug 23, 2000 @ 23:29 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  415. Quebec/Vermont Island/Peninsula Boundaries
    I found the following maps on my CD-ROM: http://www.realmbuilder.com/tristate/ProvinceIsland.html shows the island in Lake Memphemagog that Mike mentioned.
    Aug 24, 2000 @ 15:03 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  416. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Quebec/Vermont Island/Peninsula Boundaries
    wonderful cherries on the sundaes brian i am pretty sure that yours is the elusive correct island too while my guess for jesper was very probably off here we
    Aug 24, 2000 @ 17:19 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  417. US tripoints on Corner Corner
    Great tripoint shots on Corner Corner A pity they are so tiny though. Anybody we know on the photos? I would also like to more explanations, for some of them
    Aug 24, 2000 @ 18:07 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  418. Scandinavian border islands
    I had no luck finding the Scandinavian border island, but I think a found another one. Go to http://www.hvor.no and search for mosvikøya in sted. Jesper
    Aug 24, 2000 @ 19:55 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  419. Re: US tripoints on Corner Corner
    ... I decided to put up some thumbnail photos while I am working on the site. Sorry for the small size, but anything bigger would create a huge download
    Aug 24, 2000 @ 20:00 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  420. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: US tripoints on Corner Corner
    ... I thought you had a beard (from the photo posted to the egroups-site) Do you have an (online) photo of Mike?! Jesper
    Aug 24, 2000 @ 20:14 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  421. Re: [BoundaryPoint] continents
    randy just wanting to add i really did appreciate your many questions even tho i probably cant really answer most of them & enjoyed the adventures behind them
    Aug 25, 2000 @ 01:40 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  422. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: US tripoints on Corner Corner
    glad to chirp in here too ... yes i was already under arrest as a suspicious character there in the uptight blufftop community of east dubuque illinois when
    Aug 25, 2000 @ 01:42 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  423. Re: US tripoints on Corner Corner
    ... the ... access ... site) ... I do have a beard sometimes (like now). I just added names to the photos that show people or animals. Unfortunately, knowing
    Aug 25, 2000 @ 02:52 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  424. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: US tripoints on Corner Corner
    the unknown good looking person at aznvut is red rogers father of the mormon mind meld there he is a pilgrim in progress but he is back again & looking even
    Aug 25, 2000 @ 11:00 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  425. Re: US tripoints on Corner Corner
    Photo captions updated to include Red Rogers. BJB
    Aug 25, 2000 @ 12:36 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  426. Jack Parsell's Book On-Line
    Jack Parsell s excellent book, Tri-state Corners in the United States is now available on-line in PDF format at the Corner Corner
    Aug 25, 2000 @ 20:53 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  427. michael donner
    I am starting to view Mike as somebody like bigfoot. There is something mysterious about him - he is always writing in non-capital letters, and the only first
    Aug 26, 2000 @ 14:03 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  428. St. Marten and ruler borders
    Thanks for the follow up on St Martin and the border island. I was positively surprised to realize that even Scandinavia have these small border islands. Peter
    Aug 26, 2000 @ 14:19 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  429. Hisön, International islands
    I found this http://www.brastad.nu/Pages/Restext.htm looking for the split island Hison or Hisön. This site is about a school expedition along the NO-SE
    Aug 26, 2000 @ 15:41 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  430. Lake Constance - at last !
    Hi everybody! Remember our concern about Lake Constance... it wasn t quite clear wether this tripoint GeSuAt was officially recognised... Now I have officiaL
    Aug 27, 2000 @ 18:46 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  431. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
    Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File :
    Aug 28, 2000 @ 12:49 - BoundaryPoint@egroups.com ( <BoundaryPoint@egroups.com>)
  432. laorospo: The Blue Dot Mystery
    laorospo: The Blue Dot Mystery has been uploaded to the FILES section and is available for download. Although on a tertiary (county) level, laorospo is the
    Aug 28, 2000 @ 12:54 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  433. Re: Hisön, International islands
    ... I have contacted the two Swedish municipalities, and they both confirm an administrative tripoint. Can you beat that in N-America? Jesper
    Aug 28, 2000 @ 19:10 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  434. hey poignant ones
    first multi mega salutes & thanxxx to jack & brian & bill & jesper & peter for the many recent great gifts & developments serious as well as humorous i will
    Sep 05, 2000 @ 00:01 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  435. Re: Fwd: [BoundaryPoint] Re: His–n , International islands
    ... i dont think we can that is positively awesome an insular international or first class trisubdivisional point i know the much larger islands of
    Sep 05, 2000 @ 19:59 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  436. enormously entertained
    ... hahahahaha that is too much i admit i wear a size 12 or 13 shoe if i ever wear any & would you believe harry is my father but that is hugely funny &
    Sep 05, 2000 @ 20:00 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  437. Michael's journeys
    Congratulations on getting at least close to where we think the original marker at ohpawv was located. I have been there twice and the second time gave up
    Sep 06, 2000 @ 05:01 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
  438. Re: Fwd: [BoundaryPoint] Lake Constance - at last !
    ... peter right on & nice work to even contemplate all these wonderfully creative possibilities so lets keep this ball rolling now i have been trying to
    Sep 06, 2000 @ 07:06 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  439. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Michael's journeys
    from jack ... thank you my liege it was our second try there too the management even gave us free run of the place this time rather than the more usual
    Sep 06, 2000 @ 09:43 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  440. Re: Fwd: [BoundaryPoint] laorospo: The Blue Dot Mystery
    ... thanx bill this was great for me to relive in any sequence even while unsure if i got all the text or if you included pix because of my lame file download
    Sep 06, 2000 @ 09:45 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  441. Re: Fwd: [BoundaryPoint] laorospo: The Blue Dot Mystery
    Mike, it s great to have you back...however brief your trip! I know we re all eagerly awaiting the pictures! Speaking of photos, I had intended to post the
    Sep 06, 2000 @ 10:52 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  442. laorospo 1

    Sep 06, 2000 @ 11:02 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@kua.net>)
  443. FW: laorospo 2

    Sep 06, 2000 @ 11:02 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@kua.net>)
  444. FW: laorospo 3

    Sep 06, 2000 @ 11:03 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@kua.net>)
  445. laorospo 4

    Sep 06, 2000 @ 11:03 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@kua.net>)
  446. laorospo 5

    Sep 06, 2000 @ 11:04 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@kua.net>)
  447. laorospo 6

    Sep 06, 2000 @ 11:04 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@kua.net>)
  448. laorospo 7

    Sep 06, 2000 @ 11:05 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@kua.net>)
  449. laorospo 8

    Sep 06, 2000 @ 11:05 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@kua.net>)
  450. laorospo 9

    Sep 06, 2000 @ 11:06 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@kua.net>)
  451. laorospo 10

    Sep 06, 2000 @ 11:06 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@kua.net>)
  452. laorospo photos
    The individual photos of laorospo (tertiary quadpoint of four Florida counties) refer to the Blue Dot Mystery file posted in the files section. The photo
    Sep 06, 2000 @ 11:18 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  453. Monaco
    Does anyone know greater maps of Monaco than this? http://www.tripprep.com/destina/destina_maps/political/121_political.html Jesper
    Sep 06, 2000 @ 20:00 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  454. Re: Fwd: [BoundaryPoint] laorospo: The Blue Dot Mystery
    thanxx my fellow character jane is already blissfully at play with the pictures so something should be happening soon & i have a feeling everyone is saying
    Sep 07, 2000 @ 19:34 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  455. Re: Book
    ... no i only got an official photocopy of the 1954 edition & wonder if your query after 1964 wasnt really doing double duty because if you do know of anything
    Sep 07, 2000 @ 19:35 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  456. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Monaco
    ... certainly no handsomer nor more intriguing than this but you got me wanting to see again the topless bathing beauties on the beach & the curved facade of
    Sep 07, 2000 @ 19:35 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  457. Re: Fwd: [BoundaryPoint] laorospo: The Blue Dot Mystery
    Wonderfully summarized! (But now I m curious about the supposed IBRU gaffe...!!)
    Sep 08, 2000 @ 01:17 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  458. Re: Book
    I had always assumed that the Manitoba-Saskatchewan
    Sep 08, 2000 @ 01:28 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  459. Re: Book
    ... ahh thanx i will follow up on that date ... a rare case where i am not sure i understand you for tho i dont pretend to grasp all this new nicholson data
    Sep 08, 2000 @ 05:00 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  460. Re: Fwd: [BoundaryPoint] laorospo: The Blue Dot Mystery
    ... thanxx mlord well you know when you learned of the corner corner thru ibru it was as a result of a link given there by a generally appreciative gentleman
    Sep 08, 2000 @ 05:00 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  461. the book
    hahahahaha wait the joke is on me i just learned the boundaries of canada 1954 has no 1964 update but a much enlarged & improved 1979 edition that may still be
    Sep 08, 2000 @ 15:07 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  462. early nypa rushes
    mice roar at http://www.angelfire.com/md2/polystate4/index.html & jump page
    Sep 08, 2000 @ 18:01 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  463. Re: [BoundaryPoint] early nypa rushes
    Still haven t seen that close up shot of mike though :-) Jesper ... From: michael donner To: Sent: Friday,
    Sep 08, 2000 @ 18:12 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  464. Cyprus
    I was here (not my photo though) http://www.hellas.org/cyprus/images/cyfrou-1.jpg This is were Greek Cyprus stops. You climp up the stairs, the wall is the
    Sep 08, 2000 @ 20:27 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  465. New border link found
    http://garnet.acns.fsu.edu/~phensel/territory.html enjoy - jesper
    Sep 08, 2000 @ 20:29 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  466. I did it again
    I found another photographed tripoint on the net!! FINORU http://www.pasvik-cafe.no/images600/galleriet/roysa.jpg http://www.pasvik-cafe.no/treriksroysa.htm
    Sep 09, 2000 @ 12:18 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  467. FINORU
    Just a little detail of the FINORU point: not only do three countrys meet, also three time zones!! Jesper
    Sep 09, 2000 @ 12:22 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  468. FINOSE
    Another angle of the old FINOSE-point Jesper
    Sep 09, 2000 @ 12:23 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  469. Re: [BoundaryPoint] I did it again
    ... you certainly did & what a fineroo so out of a total of about 160 continental trinationals this pushes our collection well into the teens i believe for
    Sep 09, 2000 @ 17:19 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  470. Re: [BoundaryPoint] FINOSE
    ... did you mean to link to something here i love to hear you talking in iso anyway
    Sep 09, 2000 @ 17:20 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  471. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New border link found
    ... haha overload achieved & we are swimming in it now thanx to you
    Sep 09, 2000 @ 17:20 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  472. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cyprus
    jesper ... yes it was just dont touch & go there for years but then it all seems to have hardened up like crazy glue while nobody was noticing on this map
    Sep 09, 2000 @ 17:20 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  473. Re: [BoundaryPoint] early nypa rushes
    ... hahaha we are married only a few weeks & you keep asking for head already ok ok but i am not responsible this one of me wearing my quadripointing head goes
    Sep 09, 2000 @ 17:21 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  474. daily caus line
    in view of the lingering uncertainties about the status of many canadian american tripoints some comprehensive reassessment of them is long overdue & yet such
    Sep 09, 2000 @ 17:22 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  475. Re: [BoundaryPoint] early nypa rushes
    Link doesn t work JN ... From: michael donner To: Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2000 7:21 PM Subject: Re:
    Sep 09, 2000 @ 17:22 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  476. Re: [BoundaryPoint] FINOSE
    Sorry http://www.fagmed.uit.no/~royal/bilder-html/bilder-m-html/07m.html Jesper
    Sep 09, 2000 @ 17:23 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  477. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cyprus
    I haven t been able to find a good Cyprus map online. I have a much better one, that I will bring to Peter one day to scan, so we can post it for the group.
    Sep 09, 2000 @ 17:26 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  478. RE: [BoundaryPoint] early nypa rushes
    Ha ha! We love ya, Mick! we are married only a few weeks & you keep asking for head already ok ok but i am not responsible this one of me wearing my
    Sep 09, 2000 @ 18:19 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  479. Re: [BoundaryPoint] early nypa rushes
    ... whoops please try me again at http://www.mohawk.net/~barbaria/md2.gif m
    Sep 09, 2000 @ 18:41 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  480. Re: [BoundaryPoint] FINOSE
    positively stunning & deserves to be made into the first tri country jigsaw puzzle also it is now clear this is our first confirmed marked wet point tho very
    Sep 09, 2000 @ 19:08 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  481. RE: [BoundaryPoint] early nypa rushes
    ... i should have signed it msasquatch
    Sep 09, 2000 @ 21:24 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  482. more nafta fare
    my fellow naftafarians please engorge a moment if you would on the delicate pastels shapes lines & points of
    Sep 09, 2000 @ 22:46 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  483. Photo essay web site on select CAUS border points
    Photo essay web site on select CAUS border points: http://www.geocities.com/jidanni/1994us_can_border.htm
    Sep 10, 2000 @ 06:17 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  484. File - Tijuana crossing.jpg
    File : Tijuana crossing.jpg Description : Tijuana border crossing
    Sep 10, 2000 @ 08:03 - BoundaryPoint@egroups.com (BoundaryPoint@egroups.com )
  485. Re: [BoundaryPoint] more nafta fare
    Interesting border line between 14 and 32! Jesper ... From: michael donner To: Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000
    Sep 10, 2000 @ 14:31 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  486. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: FINORU
    Bill, Yes the link is under e-mail named I did it again , but I will post it again for you: http://www.pasvik-cafe.no/images600/galleriet/roysa.jpg
    Sep 10, 2000 @ 14:35 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  487. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: FINORU
    Thanks Jesper...I had subsequently found it after I had posted the message. I d bet that that FINORU wasn t too accessible a few years back! Bill
    Sep 10, 2000 @ 16:21 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  488. San Marino
    http://www.inthenet.sm/geografia.htm
    Sep 10, 2000 @ 19:20 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  489. Re: [BoundaryPoint] San Marino
    from jesper ... ahh very nice that makes the world cup independent country swallowing totals as follows italy 2 south africa 1
    Sep 10, 2000 @ 22:42 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  490. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Photo essay web site on select CAUS border points
    ... delicious of you to send out for chinese too some beauties here & lets not forget to add these mbndsk & mtndsk tripoint photos to the corner corner when we
    Sep 10, 2000 @ 22:42 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  491. Re: [BoundaryPoint] more nafta fare
    ... y ... it almost crosses itself there are actually several necks or waists of these states jalisco & zacatecas each only a few miles wide but i think none
    Sep 10, 2000 @ 22:43 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  492. Re: [BoundaryPoint] File - Tijuana crossing.jpg
    ... thanx bill for this timely help getting back into mexico & indeed at just the right point to begin our comprehensive inspection tour of the major mexican
    Sep 10, 2000 @ 22:43 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  493. mexico & nafta supertotals
    entonces mis amigos there were a few delightful surprises last night south of the border mainly the following 1 mexico does appear on closer examination to
    Sep 10, 2000 @ 22:43 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  494. RE: [BoundaryPoint] File - Tijuana crossing.jpg
    I m not sure why that one came up...it was actually posted quite a while ago...I guess the software must like that shot. ... From: michael donner
    Sep 10, 2000 @ 23:03 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  495. RE: [BoundaryPoint] File - Tijuana crossing.jpg
    oh no hahahahaha thats too much well it sure was a big help to me & i was wanting a do over on this one too ... Re: [BoundaryPoint] File - Tijuana
    Sep 11, 2000 @ 00:13 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  496. backwards home run with rain delay
    under the title polystates or whatever composed this time by jc are the balance of the pix of all 3 bases of our nypa & ohpawv trip at
    Sep 11, 2000 @ 02:51 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  497. Mike's photograph - congrats !
    Hi again - hopefully all of you have had a great weekend.. Mike - at last .... a picture of the one and only Michael - congratulations - four Mikes in one
    Sep 11, 2000 @ 10:03 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  498. meanwhile back at the world class
    good god peter it is really you at last thank you i broke up with my wife so i dont know if she can yet awesome news about the imminent doubling of our tri
    Sep 11, 2000 @ 14:56 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  499. BorderPictures
    Hello Friends I have added a few border-picture-links to http://www.image.dk/~jesniel/border/border.htm Look for Andorra, Denmark and Azerbaijan. I admit the
    Sep 11, 2000 @ 19:18 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  500. Left hand driving
    Apologies for bringing up a subject little to do with boundaries. But in case it has interesting, here it is:
    Sep 11, 2000 @ 20:23 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  501. Fw: my mini photo essay on finding boundary monuments on the US / CAN border
    sorry to bore, but incase you mailing list members didnt know: Dan Jacobson ¼¶¼g©ó¶l¥ó news:... ... So ... I m ... i did
    Sep 11, 2000 @ 22:23 - Dan Jacobson=¿n¤¦¥§ ("Dan Jacobson=¿n¤¦¥§" <jidanni@...>)
  502. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fw: my mini photo essay on finding boundary monuments on the US / CAN border
    welcome dan & wife & thanxx for showing up & with pix & promo yet fantastic to meet up with you you havent & indeed cant bore us on this topic we have been
    Sep 11, 2000 @ 23:40 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  503. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Left hand driving
    It might have little to do with boundaries, but it s fascinating stuff...it must appeal to the pointer-bounder brain...a variant on the left and right brain
    Sep 12, 2000 @ 00:05 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  504. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Fw: my mini photo essay on finding boundary monuments on the US / CAN border
    Well said, Mike. Dan, I think your expedition is right up our collective alley! Bill
    Sep 12, 2000 @ 00:08 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  505. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BorderPictures
    jesper andorra & azerbaijan links need a fix but was that your bust i saw in a new dedk link also i like your map very much as is while understanding your
    Sep 12, 2000 @ 05:15 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  506. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Left hand driving
    excursions & tangents as interesting as this one are widely enjoyed here so no need to ever hesitate or apologize about such borderline calls if we were always
    Sep 12, 2000 @ 05:16 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  507. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: US tripoints on Corner Corner
    hi again you may recall the repeat message attached below & its hilarious photo link skyjackings by angelfire which jc & i have just restored in the body of
    Sep 12, 2000 @ 05:16 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  508. Lake Constance - pending, not forgotten..
    Hello everybody, no, Mike, I haven t forgotten the Lake Constance problem at all... quite frankly, I feel we ve reached a point where there can t be made any
    Sep 12, 2000 @ 09:30 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  509. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Lake Constance - pending, not forgotten..
    thanx peter on balance this is great news indeed you are cordially invited one & all to visit & stay with us in connecticut at that time or any time we can
    Sep 12, 2000 @ 16:33 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  510. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BorderPictures
    Sorry about the broken links. As a bonus I have added an Arabian one. Jesper ... From: michael donner To: Sent:
    Sep 12, 2000 @ 17:55 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  511. Recent Adventures
    Here s New York South: http://www.realmbuilder.com/tristate/pointdetail.php3?point=263 Here s Maine East:
    Sep 12, 2000 @ 18:01 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  512. Re: [BoundaryPoint] San Marino
    Having a South African wife, I would like to bring a interesting comment here. In the SA passport is a map of southern Africa, with the Republic of South
    Sep 12, 2000 @ 19:41 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  513. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Recent Adventures
    all nys ones mee friends & a gorgeous new format & look for the corner corner brian major congrats but especially pleased to see your enthusiasm for dumps &
    Sep 12, 2000 @ 20:18 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  514. Re: [BoundaryPoint] San Marino
    ... haha hahahaa hahaha that is the funniest question i ever heard hahahahaha so may i conclude we have not been taking the lovely name of nicolette in vain
    Sep 12, 2000 @ 20:17 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  515. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BorderPictures
    all 3 new sets enjoyed in great condition thanxxx many gorgeous pix well worth the wait
    Sep 12, 2000 @ 20:17 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  516. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Fw: my mini photo essay on finding boundary monuments on the US / CAN border
    thank you bill & dan i would like to compliment you also on all the fine squiggles you have managed to work into your address handle i wonder if there is a
    Sep 12, 2000 @ 20:18 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  517. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Left hand driving
    ... stuff...it must appeal to the pointer-bounder brain...a variant on the ... scary, dudes, to know what else we have in common... my full investigaion of l/r
    Sep 12, 2000 @ 22:04 - Dan Jacobson=¿n¤¦¥§ ("Dan Jacobson=¿n¤¦¥§" <jidanni@...>)
  518. New Jersey East
    One more for the road: http://www.realmbuilder.com/tristate/pointdetail.php3?point=264 BJB
    Sep 12, 2000 @ 22:05 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  519. RE: [BoundaryPoint] New Jersey East
    Re: The Corner Corner...beautiful site design.
    Sep 12, 2000 @ 22:42 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  520. binational quadripoints
    to confirm both instances of international boundaries actually touching or crossing themselves as previously suggested 1 belgium holland at
    Sep 12, 2000 @ 23:44 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  521. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New Jersey East
    ... wait dont go yet handsome you do appear to have reached the northeast corner of continental & dry new jersey as well as the only albeit oft forgotten
    Sep 13, 2000 @ 01:54 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  522. Re: New Jersey East
    Well, I was strongly influenced by the fact that the other projections are west of the northeast corner of NJ. This is the case according to close measurement
    Sep 13, 2000 @ 02:31 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  523. Connecticut - Massachusetts - Rhode Island
    http://www.realmbuilder.com/tristate/pointdetail.php3?point=20 BJB
    Sep 13, 2000 @ 02:36 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  524. Massachusetts - New Hampshire - Vermont
    Check out the Parsell chapter link and the ruverlow data link http://www.realmbuilder.com/tristate/pointdetail.php3?point=53 BJB
    Sep 13, 2000 @ 02:37 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  525. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Connecticut - Massachusetts - Rhode Island
    Note that the photo of Mike was carefully timed at dusk so as to help shield his face from local law enforcement...
    Sep 13, 2000 @ 02:50 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  526. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Connecticut - Massachusetts - Rhode Island
    ... haha you know me pal & it says right there i took it tho it was a polaroid too
    Sep 13, 2000 @ 04:04 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  527. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: New Jersey East
    ahh very neat no tidal bore here i have passed thru the spot & down & up those cliffs in youthful bliss & ignorance certainly never saw nor imagined station
    Sep 13, 2000 @ 04:04 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  528. Re: New Jersey East
    I realized I had a couple more pictures of the NJE shoreline area. One faces south and the other faces west. The southward facing photo shows some rocks I
    Sep 13, 2000 @ 17:54 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  529. Tides at Tarrytown
    It turns out there is a 3.5 foot tidal range at Tarrytown and I have cleverly updated the NJE page at
    Sep 13, 2000 @ 18:08 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  530. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: New Jersey East
    awesome thank you for your devotion to truth that was worth the outage by the same token wyo & colo must have their cards as surveyed in microreality or dont
    Sep 13, 2000 @ 19:02 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  531. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: New Jersey East
    awesome thank you for your devotion to truth that was worth the outage by the same token wyo & colo must have their cards as surveyed in microreality or dont
    Sep 13, 2000 @ 20:02 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  532. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: New Jersey East
    perhaps i have again not made myself clear & perhaps it is not terribly important either inasmuch as cardinal pointing is really just a diversion anyway from
    Sep 14, 2000 @ 00:21 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  533. Re: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
    ... The Baarle examples look like read self-interscting or figure-8 international border points, binational quadripoints is a good term. ... If you click to
    Sep 14, 2000 @ 01:12 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  534. Re: New Jersey East
    You were loud and clear. I agree that every straight boundary punctuated with nodes is probably not straight but segmented, with a particular node more
    Sep 14, 2000 @ 01:20 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  535. Re: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
    thanx david & great to hear from you you are right about the inaccuracy of the mapquest map so please bear with me while i search again for a better map or
    Sep 14, 2000 @ 03:13 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  536. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: New Jersey East
    ... nicely put ... that is beautiful too & you can count on pontiff max to mentally supply the word dry for you whenever appropriate & the canada dry whenever
    Sep 14, 2000 @ 04:25 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  537. Re: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
    Besides the two points mentioned earlier where boundaries cross each other between Germany-Austria and Belgium-Netherlands, there is a third such point between
    Sep 14, 2000 @ 14:56 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  538. Re: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
    welcome dear old friend & multibenefactor & what magnificent new gift tidings you bring from the east that elusive third item i had a hunch it had to be there
    Sep 14, 2000 @ 18:00 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  539. probable tertiary megapoints of the united states
    the following list in progress is a state by state summary of complex subdivisional conjunctions within the individual & collective united states including
    Sep 14, 2000 @ 18:07 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  540. I saw the l-r driving list and am certain I was the original creator before I left the net back in '92...
    hello l-r driving list maintainer, hello, I saw the l-r driving list [table] and am certain I was the original creator before I left the net back in 92... not
    Sep 14, 2000 @ 18:04 - Dan Jacobson=¿n¤¦¥§ ("Dan Jacobson=¿n¤¦¥§" <jidanni@...>)
  541. Re: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
    this is my third try to post this & i apologize for the disrupted sequence or duplication ... awesome baby you know i scarcely can wait especially hoping for
    Sep 14, 2000 @ 18:37 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  542. Re: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
    this is my second try to post this & i apologize for the busted sequence ... awesome baby you know i scarcely can wait especially hoping for any witness of
    Sep 14, 2000 @ 18:31 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  543. RE: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
    Message to Peter re: Baarle maps and photos: Bring it on! Bill ... From: michael donner [mailto:m@discovernet.net] Sent: Thursday, September 14,
    Sep 14, 2000 @ 19:30 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  544. Sv: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
    Hi David, re: Jungholz, AT: thanks for your research on this phantastic geographical blowhole - or gap. I just received my topo- map on Jungholz (1:25.000).
    Sep 14, 2000 @ 19:29 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  545. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fw: my mini photo essay on finding boundary monuments on the US / CAN border
    Dan, It is really a great site. I like particulary the comments on the pictures showing where the border actually go. Sometime I find a link to my
    Sep 14, 2000 @ 19:37 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  546. Re: probable tertiary megapoints of the united states
    why mega?
    Sep 14, 2000 @ 19:37 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  547. Re: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
    I mail this before, but the mail don t appear so I try again. About the binational quadripoints in Baarle we better ask Peter. He has shown me great maps and
    Sep 14, 2000 @ 19:39 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  548. State Boundary Monument Data Base
    Anybody seen this before? Jesper http://www.rdms.udel.edu/dgs/boundary.html
    Sep 14, 2000 @ 19:52 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  549. Quiz
    Where is this? http://www.travelfacts.com/tfacts/htm/sxm/monu.htm Jesper
    Sep 14, 2000 @ 19:56 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  550. St. Martin
    Can anybody make this work? I cannot. Jesper http://www.stmartinstmaarten.com/pano/LowlandsBM.html
    Sep 14, 2000 @ 20:05 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  551. Re: [BoundaryPoint] St. Martin
    Works fine on iMac. I guess that you need to install QuickTime from Apple, is also available for PC. Then it does not work on my NT, is missing some
    Sep 14, 2000 @ 20:34 - Emil Boasson (Emil Boasson <eb3@...>)
  552. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Quiz
    I * think * it may be a border monument on St. Martin marking the French/Dutch border. Bill ... From: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen [mailto:jesniel@image.dk]
    Sep 14, 2000 @ 21:08 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  553. Re: State Boundary Monument Data Base
    This link was on the old Corner Corner and I ll probably put it back on the new one. Also, Mike just mentioned this database in reference to the kinks in the
    Sep 14, 2000 @ 23:31 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  554. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: probable tertiary megapoints of the united states
    from brian earlier ... in a word whimsy but your question tho short deserves better than a glib answer for it is actually a mega question & i thank you for
    Sep 15, 2000 @ 04:14 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  555. Re: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
    i have also found the egroups mail reception unreliable since the recent outage so may i suggest checking back an hour or so after each posting that you send
    Sep 15, 2000 @ 05:02 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  556. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Quiz
    ... nice call bill you had the answer before i even saw the question was it all the steps we noticed in message 314 that tipped you the change in perspective
    Sep 15, 2000 @ 05:04 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  557. Re: probable tertiary megapoints of the united states
    Point taken. I am accustomed to seeing mega used as a prefix usually meaning a million or more specifically 2 to the 20th power or 1,048,576 as in
    Sep 15, 2000 @ 10:52 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  558. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Quiz
    Actually, I had seen that photo before on the web. Bill
    Sep 15, 2000 @ 11:48 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  559. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: probable tertiary megapoints of the united states
    you betcha hahaha giga always makes me laugh & your use of mega never occurred to me because i am so computer dumb hahaha honest to goodness still i rightly
    Sep 15, 2000 @ 14:36 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  560. jungholz gig
    look david peter arif jesper & perhaps everyone else as well i owe you all a gigapology about jungholz it is not like me to be so multimistaken
    Sep 15, 2000 @ 14:53 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  561. Re: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
    When I went to Bangladesh, a friend from the boundaries database I am on showed maps (1:62500) of the Bangladesh-India enclave area. A possible intersecting
    Sep 15, 2000 @ 15:17 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  562. Re: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
    Michael, I accidentally send the previous e-mail just to you, I think. If I didn t send the e-mail to the list and if you feel it would be justified in going
    Sep 15, 2000 @ 15:18 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  563. Re: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
    Well studying Peter s Baarle map shows enclaves inside enclaves. It is a pity that we won´ t be able to scan his stuff on Sunday, so we can share it with you.
    Sep 15, 2000 @ 19:11 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  564. Mittelberg
    We have all been talking Jungholz, but so far nobody has mentioned Mittelberg, Austria. Mittelberg is not a traditional enclave, but rather a psysical enclave.
    Sep 15, 2000 @ 19:28 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  565. Link
    http://www.steane.com/egtre/xings/crossings.htm Perhaps an interesting link. Jesper
    Sep 15, 2000 @ 19:39 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  566. Re: [BoundaryPoint] border intersections
    from arif ... wonderful i sensed it might be there & i agree with you the term binational quadripoints is questionable since intersecting borders are clearly
    Sep 15, 2000 @ 19:56 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  567. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Link
    ... quote persons from outside the eu countries have to carry a passport & are supposed to report to border officials if they can find them hahahahahahahaha
    Sep 15, 2000 @ 20:54 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  568. Re: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
    We ordered an excellent detailed Baarle map, 1:10,000 I think. Scanning was not really an option so we digitized all the borders and produced maps with a GIS
    Sep 16, 2000 @ 01:30 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  569. Re: Link
    Not just in Europe. When Gregg and I crossed from Canada into the US at Estcourt Station, Maine there appeared to be nobody at the US Customs house (which I
    Sep 16, 2000 @ 01:52 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  570. Re: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
    dear david & barry too for a long time now i have been in great respect of all these maps & thanx to your work on them i even fancied at one point that i
    Sep 16, 2000 @ 05:03 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  571. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Link
    you are the amazing ones brian this is gorgeous stuff multi kudos ... i wonder was she la txus the last marine
    Sep 16, 2000 @ 16:58 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  572. more jack than me
    jack came back in late last night via usmails regular camel & we are still celebrating here now some words as directly as possible from him get on Boundary
    Sep 16, 2000 @ 17:48 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  573. correction
    recently under why mega i misspoke in naming coksok as the tristate point with the busiest guest register averaging a visitor a day but coksok actually has
    Sep 16, 2000 @ 19:58 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  574. Multimap
    I found this map-maker http://www.multimap.com It is very fast. Jesper
    Sep 16, 2000 @ 20:26 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  575. Re: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
    Ok, about the Jungholz area being a border-intersection point, I am hoping that one exists and as I have too often seen cartographic inaccuracy for simplicity,
    Sep 17, 2000 @ 05:56 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  576. Re: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
    thank you very much indeed arif for these several advancements or really breakthroughs in areas of great interest to us i am so excited by all this info i
    Sep 17, 2000 @ 09:26 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  577. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Multimap
    ... multi useful too & i think it wins for zoom detail outside the united states & especially in the third world btw i was wondering about your hison topo
    Sep 17, 2000 @ 09:45 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  578. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Multimap
    I had thought about that Mike, but I didn t want to complicate the issue with two identities. Since I m receiving the e-mails OK, I should probably just wait
    Sep 17, 2000 @ 13:38 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  579. welcome to my new homepage - Peter from DK
    Hello everybody- this is a very special day for me---- Jesper helped me install my very first homepage - we started it with a nice picture of Baarle - enjoy
    Sep 17, 2000 @ 15:14 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  580. My own homepage - better than ever...
    Try me - I m so proud, thanks Jesper for your help.. http://www.geocities.com/mafiapetedk/ Peter
    Sep 17, 2000 @ 16:09 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  581. Re: [BoundaryPoint] My own homepage - better than ever...
    ... inside the park grand slam you elegant discriminating divinity junkies & theres still nobody out in the top of the first
    Sep 17, 2000 @ 18:42 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  582. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Multimap
    actually i think everything was fixed overnight last night btw i have had no problems no problems with a double or multi identity here created during previous
    Sep 17, 2000 @ 19:09 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  583. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Multimap
    Nope, my problem is still there. I think you may have misunderstood me Mike: (1) I absolutely agree...the list should be as open as possible. Any exclusion
    Sep 17, 2000 @ 19:14 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  584. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Multimap
    ok bill beautiful i hear & dig you so evidently it is egroups wording alone that suggests there may be such an option while there really isnt & perhaps i being
    Sep 17, 2000 @ 19:59 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  585. Re: [BoundaryPoint] St. Martin
    According to the webmaster of the below site, this pano-shot is taken on top of the border monument. http://www.stmartinstmaarten.com/pano/LowlandsBM.html and
    Sep 18, 2000 @ 06:08 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  586. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Multimap
    I did find a Hison topo, and I did also post the link! He it is again http://www.frilufts.se/goteborg/orange/leder/bohusled/bohus9.html You will also find a
    Sep 18, 2000 @ 09:32 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  587. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Multimap
    ... thank you again jesper now i remember it must have been that perky bohus leden character who put me up to it we must beg him to join our group but i was
    Sep 18, 2000 @ 18:31 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  588. Re: [BoundaryPoint] St. Martin
    ... surprised such a shifty boundary line is marked in only 3 places i am & wonder how that works also i used your new multi map to check out a few other
    Sep 18, 2000 @ 18:32 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  589. worldwide inventory of tri country points in progress
    following is a first careful try at rounding up all the tri country points in the world all the continental points at least are listed here by name in one
    Sep 19, 2000 @ 05:00 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  590. MT/ND/SK tripoint (photo by Dan Jacobson)
    In Dan Jacobson s photo of the MT/ND/SK tripoint (http://www.geocities.com/jidanni/images/19940721skndmt.jpg), the old U.S. Customs warning sign appears (to
    Sep 19, 2000 @ 15:58 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  591. multi bonus
    thanxx for your comments off list i am encouraged to add an unexpected train of consequences & bonuses arising from the tri country inventory is first doing it
    Sep 20, 2000 @ 03:34 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  592. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Digest Number 88
    Thanks for this list. I will create that category on the Corner Corner and add all of these points to it. My Corner Corner activities have slowed down due to
    Sep 20, 2000 @ 11:28 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  593. Pennsylvaina - East
    September 17, 2000 - The easternmost point in Pennsylvania is on the west bank of the Delaware River about 800 meters northeast of the New Jersey - New York -
    Sep 20, 2000 @ 11:29 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  594. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Pennsylvaina - East
    brilliant & gorgeous of you to even see & then take the opportunity to bag this point too i for one passed right by it last month & never even imagined it
    Sep 20, 2000 @ 16:12 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  595. busmans holiday
    quiet one today tho isnt it i mean when the laughter occasionally subsides of course but just to prolong this our third longest consecutive day streak in
    Sep 21, 2000 @ 17:25 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  596. Re: busmans holiday
    I have had my eye on VTW for a while myself. It really is strange about the 30 or so mile discrepancy between dry VTW and wet VTW. A similar thing occurs at
    Sep 21, 2000 @ 23:09 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  597. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: busmans holiday
    from brian ... yes very cool when the supposed counterparts are out of all relation to each other that is another reason why i am hoping you will create a
    Sep 22, 2000 @ 05:36 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  598. Re: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints and others
    As I have previously mentioned, the intersecting borders between Bangladesh and India could be hard to confirm as India and Bangladesh does not supply
    Sep 22, 2000 @ 14:40 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  599. Re: [BoundaryPoint] busmans holiday
    Oops, meant to ask something but forgot. Exactly where is the two legs of DENJ arcs and the leg of DEMD arcs. Obviosuly, I know of the DEPA arc and I have
    Sep 22, 2000 @ 14:48 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  600. Re: [BoundaryPoint] busmans holiday
    ... There are many jogs that are too small to show up on the scales that that one shows up on, depending on how you wish to define jog (see some western
    Sep 22, 2000 @ 15:10 - rhall@quadritek.com (rhall@...)
  601. Re: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints and others
    Hello Arif Great to have you in the group. Borders seems alot more uncertain outside Europe and N America. Good maps show boundary markers. Peter showed me an
    Sep 22, 2000 @ 17:09 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  602. US CA
    Hello http://www.adin.org/webcam/ Can anyone spot the border?? I can t Jesper
    Sep 22, 2000 @ 18:56 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  603. Tripoint photo posted
    Please visit Peter the Great s updated homepage on http://www.geocities.com/mafiapetedk and see the latest tripoint photo on the net. Enjoy Jesper
    Sep 22, 2000 @ 19:05 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  604. RE: [BoundaryPoint] US CA
    It s the river in the background. Bill ... From: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen [mailto:jesniel@image.dk] Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 2:56 PM To:
    Sep 22, 2000 @ 19:10 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  605. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoint photo posted
    yesss solid gold at last major congrats & thanxx to both of you for breaking thru with this baby & what a stark beauty she is looks like 2 thirds iron curtain
    Sep 22, 2000 @ 20:08 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  606. dizzy again
    thank you arif for these soaring eagles eye views you have again given us & i will return with great delight to these several fantastic new topics but first
    Sep 22, 2000 @ 20:08 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  607. Re: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints and others
    this entire message is a continuous mind blower & i will only grasp at the few straws that i can intermittently below ... this is totally unbelievably crazy &
    Sep 22, 2000 @ 21:19 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  608. depa arc & wedge
    randy to arif so i shouldnt necessarily butt in but ... indeed please forgive the interruption but are you sure of this i have a historical diagram in front
    Sep 23, 2000 @ 00:56 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  609. Border pic Cuban-US border
    If you thought the US only had two neighbours look here http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6625/misc/ http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6625/misc/neg.jpg Jesper
    Sep 23, 2000 @ 20:30 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  610. Busiest border crossing in the world: San Ysidro/Tijuana
    The busiest border crossing in the world: San Ysidro, California, USA / Tijuana, Baja Californa Norte, Mexico: http://www.dot.ca.gov/dist11/border/sypoe.html
    Sep 23, 2000 @ 23:24 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  611. Too bad this mailing list cant be a newsgroup [yet]
    news grops of possible interest to boundary heads: alt.planning.urban,alt.real-estate,comp.infosystems.gis,misc.transport.road
    Sep 24, 2000 @ 01:27 - Dan Jacobson=¿n¤¦¥§ ("Dan Jacobson=¿n¤¦¥§" <jidanni@...>)
  612. attempt to visualize tin bigha scheme
    so arif can you say do you imagine a layout something like this for the alternating bdin inbd joint zone at tin bigha ... bd in ... / / _ _ _
    Sep 24, 2000 @ 03:22 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  613. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border pic Cuban-US border
    nice one jesper i have long been curious what this forgotten land boundary actually looks like & i think most cubans & americans wouldnt even acknowledge it
    Sep 24, 2000 @ 03:48 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  614. Re: Too bad this mailing list cant be a newsgroup [yet]
    I like the paragraph on your web site describing your difficulties getting into Canada as a hitchhiker. I had a similar experience in 1973 in Buffalo, NY.
    Sep 24, 2000 @ 03:45 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  615. Muddy Waters
    The link at http://ny.usgs.gov/rt/pub/01434000_o_232017.gif shows some high-water marks for the Delaware River in the vicinity of NJNYPA. It looks like the
    Sep 24, 2000 @ 03:54 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  616. delaware cards
    because the delaware boundary monuments website seems to almost volunteer the data for an easy cardinal extremities tour of that state i continued with such a
    Sep 24, 2000 @ 04:56 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  617. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Muddy Waters
    please be careful about spending eternity at algatn since theres probably a cave under it & we might fall thru but no matter as we will already be dead by then
    Sep 24, 2000 @ 05:01 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  618. multi salutes
    fellow pointer bounders dry wet & amphibious first a hearty welcome to the many new members who have been pulling in recently please feel free to lurk or
    Sep 24, 2000 @ 17:07 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  619. Sv: [BoundaryPoint] multi salutes
    Thanks Mike for your encouraging words and salutes. I m working at my homepage in order to improve it - fighting all these nasty technical harassments... My
    Sep 24, 2000 @ 19:55 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  620. Alaska lowpoint
    Back in July I had an e-mail from a Steve Gruhn who brought to my attention that Nunavakanuk Lake in the Yukon Delta is 4 feet below sea level. I just got
    Sep 24, 2000 @ 08:27 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@gisco.net>)
  621. Re: multi salutes
    ... on a ... Also, our monthly message count for September now exceeds counts for previous months...with one week to go before month end!
    Sep 24, 2000 @ 22:25 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  622. Idaho-Montana-Wyoming
    I ve been going through pictures to select a few which may be helpful to anyone who aspires to visit some of the more difficult locations. Here are a couple
    Sep 25, 2000 @ 02:41 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@gisco.net>)
  623. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Alaska lowpoint
    ... indeed jack it is good to have somewhere to go & i see you have been leaving skid marks all over the extreme altitudes table on page 174 of our common
    Sep 25, 2000 @ 07:41 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  624. i agree
    ... it is much better to talk about what you prefer my rock & you seem to be acting from inspiration in this as well so i drink to you extravagant success
    Sep 25, 2000 @ 07:41 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  625. off the dashboard
    ... yeehaw full throttle & see what she can do now no drunk driving this week ok
    Sep 25, 2000 @ 07:41 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  626. Re: [BoundaryPoint] attempt to visualize tin bigha scheme
    Oops. If I gave somebody an idea that Tin Bigha lies in an intersecting border point, I am sorry. Tin Bigha isn t THAT interesting. India __ | ... India
    Sep 25, 2000 @ 14:44 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  627. Re: [BoundaryPoint] attempt to visualize tin bigha scheme
    ahh i see it was only my runaway miscomprehension heck of a pipe dream tho still the intermittent corridor that actually exists is mighty fine too & evidently
    Sep 25, 2000 @ 17:25 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  628. canadian boundary bible found still in print
    ordering info for the reportedly much improved & enlarged 1979 revise is at http://www.mcgill.ca/mqup/cupress/nicholsc.htm under the simplified title of the
    Sep 26, 2000 @ 19:42 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  629. Korean border
    Note the green table http://www.kwp.org/html/nk/fences.htm Jesper
    Sep 26, 2000 @ 19:56 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  630. canada cointinued
    i should probably add for your full loonies & toonies worth that i learned the brand new 21 year old canadian information in my previous message thanx to penny
    Sep 26, 2000 @ 21:03 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  631. tin bigha tangent query
    arif it may be impossible to ask or answer but let me try to ask anyway from all you have said i gather that the tin bigha corridor is not just a rare sort of
    Sep 26, 2000 @ 23:44 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  632. Re: [BoundaryPoint] tin bigha tangent query
    What I am going to say is without any proof or experience in my part, but mostly hearsay and deductions from Indian behavior. Tin Bigha, the changing
    Sep 27, 2000 @ 03:13 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  633. Pre-EU customs enforcement in Baarle
    Please excuse this if it s been discussed already...I ve wondered what the customs enforcement situation was like in Baarle prior to the EU. Peter or Jesper?
    Sep 27, 2000 @ 03:23 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  634. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Korean border
    to all, i have sat at the green table...on both sides of the border. i was on a business trip to seoul with a free weekend. it was in 1991. i called the uso
    Sep 27, 2000 @ 12:51 - Beckett, Bob ("Beckett, Bob" <Bob.Beckett@...>)
  635. Re: depa arc & wedge
    The following comment was taken from the sci.engr.surveying newsgroup: Having grown up in DE, the center of the curved border is the state house in New Castle
    Sep 27, 2000 @ 21:38 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  636. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: depa arc & wedge
    nice catch bill the lady is essentially correct tho slightly fantastical around the edges what she means by the state house in new castle is actually the
    Sep 28, 2000 @ 05:27 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  637. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: depa arc & wedge
    As always, you ve done your homework, Mike! I ll take the liberty of forwarding the bulk of your gem to her...I had invited her to join the group with no
    Sep 28, 2000 @ 09:41 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  638. County exclaves and fragments
    Thank you, Michael, for that county exclave I have never seen before. I was looking at the map and noticed the exclave even before I got the chance to finish
    Sep 28, 2000 @ 16:48 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  639. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: depa arc & wedge
    ... thanx bill home is where the feet are especially for us bigfoots ... gorgeous we need more over the top like her & it appears we are almost off the
    Sep 28, 2000 @ 20:31 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  640. Re: [BoundaryPoint] County exclaves and fragments
    ... you are most welcome arif & i am not a bit surprised your eagle eye works that way too for i gather we are training to be some kind of very high fliers
    Sep 28, 2000 @ 20:33 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  641. Re: [BoundaryPoint] tin bigha tangent query
    ... hahahahaha much inner laughter between a gong & the sound of one hand clapping very nice one i wonder also if we couldnt put all these enclaves &
    Sep 28, 2000 @ 21:28 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  642. Re: [BoundaryPoint] County exclaves and fragments
    Ok, Duh, the Boston enclaves were easy to remember, but I forgot them. Anyway, since there are only two enclaves in the Boston area and nine in the Denver
    Sep 29, 2000 @ 04:19 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  643. Sv: [BoundaryPoint] Pre-EU customs enforcement in Baarle
    Dear Bill, sorry for not answering that question before, but I ve been very busy (and I still am..) in the past two weeks. That affects my socalled homepage
    Sep 29, 2000 @ 09:25 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  644. Re: [BoundaryPoint] County exclaves and fragments
    ... Isn t an embassy an exclave of its parent country? Perhaps one could find weird multipoints in certain city blocks, even 3 dimensional multipoints! Just
    Sep 29, 2000 @ 11:58 - rhall@quadritek.com (rhall@...)
  645. Re: [BoundaryPoint] County exclaves and fragments
    from arif ... more exotic dreamscapes please lead the way ... i confess i am quite unawares all thruout this area & dont even quite know whats involved could
    Sep 29, 2000 @ 21:34 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  646. Re: [BoundaryPoint] County exclaves and fragments
    ... are you kidding that is a gorgeous point thank you very much indeed especially as we are sworn to truth here so the really authentic multipoint & exclave
    Sep 30, 2000 @ 00:48 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  647. mason dixon line fantasy
    note the following subject matter may not be appropriate for mature audiences & nobody was seriously asking for it besides but i would like to float the idea
    Sep 30, 2000 @ 03:18 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  648. Re: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] Pre-EU customs enforcement in Baarle
    peter let me say thanx in bills absence because i know he will dig it too this is most interesting & great revelation about eu development also about your web
    Sep 30, 2000 @ 17:56 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  649. bloat
    I have substantially bloated http://www.geocities.com/jidanni/1994us_can_border.htm It seems us boundary types are a mature crowd... I m 40 myself, therefore
    Sep 30, 2000 @ 19:15 - Dan Jacobson=¿n¤¦¥§ ("Dan Jacobson=¿n¤¦¥§" <jidanni@...>)
  650. Re: [BoundaryPoint] County exclaves and fragments
    Hi Arif Do you know where this is exactly? Can you give us more details? Jesper
    Sep 30, 2000 @ 19:38 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  651. Re: [BoundaryPoint] County exclaves and fragments
    What is officially or technically the status of an embassy, consulate and even an embassadors residence? Jesper
    Sep 30, 2000 @ 19:54 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  652. Re: [BoundaryPoint] bloat
    bloat a tao lb pal you fit fine here & it will never be vain i realize now also that your 3 or 4 or 5 international tripoints visited on the canadian border
    Oct 01, 2000 @ 00:22 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  653. Re: Corners
    Brendan Whyte, enclave analyst, Geography Dept, University of Melbourne, Australia here. Just joined up. ... No, there is a short section of Rus/Chi
    Oct 01, 2000 @ 16:21 - brwhyte@hotmail.com (brwhyte@...)
  654. Re: Tripoint Egypt-Libya-Sudan
    No, according to the Times atlas of the world (2000 edition), your mountain is about 10 miles SE of the tripoint which appears to be on lines of lat and long,
    Oct 01, 2000 @ 16:36 - brwhyte@hotmail.com (brwhyte@...)
  655. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Corners
    welcome sir we are thrilled to see you ... major thanx never heard of it just what we need still thinking about your delicious questions too m
    Oct 01, 2000 @ 16:46 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  656. Re: [BoundaryPoint] b l o a t
    ... your fully manifested ref to boundarypoint there continues to make us out as slightly strange tho i note our own main page has just dropped this essential
    Oct 01, 2000 @ 16:47 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  657. Re: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
    Interesting, I have the German and austrian 1:25 000 sheets, and both seem to show a quadripoint form memory (i am out of the country at present). I have also
    Oct 01, 2000 @ 17:22 - brwhyte@hotmail.com (brwhyte@...)
  658. Re: tin bigha tangent query
    These enclaves are my PHD thesis. Give me until mid2001 to write it up and I can send (sell! ;-) ) you a copy. Brendan Whyte
    Oct 01, 2000 @ 17:34 - brwhyte@hotmail.com (brwhyte@...)
  659. Re: tin bigha tangent query
    These enclaves are my PHD thesis. Give me until mid2001 to write it up and I can send (sell! ;-) ) you a copy. Brendan Whyte
    Oct 01, 2000 @ 17:34 - brwhyte@hotmail.com (brwhyte@...)
  660. Re: Pre-EU customs enforcement in Baarle
    ... I believe the Benelux customs union post-war was in force. PreWar however, there were problems. If you read Dutch, buy De Belgische Enclaves in Nederland
    Oct 01, 2000 @ 17:38 - brwhyte@hotmail.com (brwhyte@...)
  661. Re: County exclaves and fragments
    ... in or ... There ARE two Malawian islands enclaves inside Mozambiquean lake waters in Lake Nyasa/Malawi. sort of like st Pierre et Miquelon are enclaved in
    Oct 01, 2000 @ 17:43 - brwhyte@hotmail.com (brwhyte@...)
  662. Re: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] Pre-EU customs enforcement in Baarle
    In WW1, when Belgium was inveded and Netherlands remained neutral, Baarle-Duc was the only part of Belgium unoccupied by the Germans. So the allies stuck a
    Oct 01, 2000 @ 17:47 - brwhyte@hotmail.com (brwhyte@...)
  663. Re: County exclaves and fragments
    Find Aachen, Germany in your atlas. Find the belgian town of Eupen, 10 miles to the south. Now head east. Just across the border back in germany is Rotgen, and
    Oct 01, 2000 @ 17:56 - brwhyte@hotmail.com (brwhyte@...)
  664. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Corners
    ... Gideon Biger s Encyclopedia of International ... gideons bible will set us back 125 simoleons at amazon but can you tell me is he on top of the maritime
    Oct 01, 2000 @ 19:41 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  665. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: County exclaves and fragments
    Hello Brydan Thanks for joining our group and for giving such great informartion. On my search for great German-maps I found http://www.map24.com Jesper ...
    Oct 01, 2000 @ 19:42 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  666. Re: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
    brendan what a multi cross now you are holding the center piece of a mythic quintet of such crosses that we are now daring to suppose actually exists in
    Oct 01, 2000 @ 20:02 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  667. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Digest Number 99
    ... at age 12 or so I declared my room to be the sovereign country of Dansland, and had my own flag, etc. I like the daily wrap-up feature of egroups. makes
    Oct 01, 2000 @ 20:11 - Dan Jacobson=¿n¤¦¥§ ("Dan Jacobson=¿n¤¦¥§" <jidanni@...>)
  668. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Digest Number 99
    ... your sovereignty is still saluted here sire even your divinity if you like it is not a matter of tolerance what i really wonder is how the girls like tom
    Oct 01, 2000 @ 21:26 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  669. [BoundaryPoint] Re: County exclaves and fragments
    Welcome, Brendan. As you are the master of enclave information, I may just have to retire now. And when you do start selling your thesis (Heck, I would buy
    Oct 01, 2000 @ 22:36 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  670. Re: [BoundaryPoint] County exclaves and fragments
    ... this really deserves the attention of one of our talmudic schoilars but & i swear i am just filling in until we get one but it seems to me all these
    Oct 01, 2000 @ 23:16 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  671. Re: [BoundaryPoint] County exclaves and fragments
    Hej Jeg hedder ikke Sherif. Torben ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail
    Oct 02, 2000 @ 08:17 - Torben Nielsen ("Torben Nielsen" <torbenmn@...>)
  672. Book references
    ... No, nothing maritime, just terrestrial. It lists, alphabetically, every land boundary with a description of where it goes. It is not, however, a catalogue
    Oct 03, 2000 @ 02:01 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  673. Re: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
    I haven t been to Jungholz, but am heading to Baarle shortly, so will be able to rpeort later this year. As for Bengal, hard to tell. Many boundary pillars in
    Oct 03, 2000 @ 02:17 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  674. Re: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
    I haven t been to Jungholz, but am heading to Baarle shortly, so will be able to rpeort later this year. As for Bengal, hard to tell. Many boundary pillars in
    Oct 03, 2000 @ 02:20 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  675. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: County exclaves and fragments
    Yep, embassies are not saovereign enclaves, but just extraterritorial pieces, and as they can move by the embassy buying or selling land, they are much less
    Oct 03, 2000 @ 02:24 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  676. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Book references
    thanx very much brendan this is all great to know & much of it dizzying besides i think our inventory of the continental tri country points may already be
    Oct 02, 2000 @ 19:40 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  677. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: County exclaves and fragments
    from arif to brendan yesterday ... excuse me but you better not we are counting on you too some good news below also ... you can include me in on that too &
    Oct 02, 2000 @ 20:04 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  678. Re: [BoundaryPoint] County exclaves and fragments
    hej ikke sherif torben hvad betyder det m
    Oct 02, 2000 @ 20:05 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  679. Re: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
    fantastic may our quest be with you matey vis tecum
    Oct 02, 2000 @ 20:20 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  680. Re: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
    On Jungholz topomap http://www.geocities.com/mafiapetedk/jungholz.jpg there seems to be a small gateway around 10-20 meters from Austria to Jungholz.
    Oct 02, 2000 @ 20:26 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  681. Re: County exclaves and fragments
    but I did not shoot no deputy. ... ______________________________________________________________________ ... http://www.hotmail.com.
    Oct 02, 2000 @ 20:40 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  682. Re: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
    further musings inspired by brendan ... wonderful it sounds like a job for our bp amphibious dreamscape recovery unit ... excellent we will be all earholes &
    Oct 03, 2000 @ 02:23 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  683. Re: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
    ... this checkered reservation of the agua caliente indians at palm springs is well worth the peek on topozone also the statement about it on their tribal home
    Oct 03, 2000 @ 08:20 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  684. new files with pix downloaded....
    Hello everybody, Jesper s advice and my own fight against my PC s traps finally lead us to results: more files on my - provisional - homepage with a lot of
    Oct 03, 2000 @ 17:17 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  685. Re: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
    Because the talk went to Indian reservations, I wanted to mention something. Before the English came into the Indian subcontinent, the area had many fiefdoms,
    Oct 03, 2000 @ 16:45 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  686. Re: [BoundaryPoint] new files with pix downloaded....
    what are you great danes on freakin strike or something no euros & not even a link any more gone shadow boxing well how do we get some of that gelt m
    Oct 03, 2000 @ 17:09 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  687. Re: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
    arif thank you for this pure samadhi upon the indian reservations it clarifies a great deal that was formerly strange about this whole area of the world in a
    Oct 03, 2000 @ 20:31 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  688. Re: [BoundaryPoint] new files with pix downloaded....
    Hello guys I just helped out Peter with his links. Should work now. Please note that there are no relations between Michael and Donna (Peter s dog on the DEDK
    Oct 03, 2000 @ 20:29 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  689. RE: [BoundaryPoint] new files with pix downloaded....
    Yeah, but that dog * would * have been arrested if it had been with Mike... ... From: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen [mailto:jesniel@image.dk] Sent: Tuesday,
    Oct 03, 2000 @ 22:41 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  690. Re: [BoundaryPoint] new files with pix downloaded....
    ... ohh no hahahahahaa i will officially deny it too but i could swear someone said she was his dancing reindeer well i am only beginning to learn scandinavian
    Oct 04, 2000 @ 07:33 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  691. Re: Still strange!
    thanx bill glad to see we are back at full strength & to know you have been representing us so well also as ambassador to the sky say i am wondering if you
    Oct 04, 2000 @ 07:33 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  692. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Book references
    Biger doesn t list tripoints, but just gives a brief overview of each country, then an alphabetically arranged description of the border, like which mountians
    Oct 05, 2000 @ 00:31 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  693. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Still strange!
    I ve heard that too, but I didn t spot anything unusual at all...no unexplained compass deviations, etc. A Bermuda Triangle it wasn t.... say i am
    Oct 04, 2000 @ 09:49 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  694. FW: canadian topographic maps sorry non online state exposed
    dudes, i also posted to sci.geo.satelite-nav etc. ... From: Ed McNierney [mailto:Ed@topozone.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 3:03 AM To: Dan
    Oct 04, 2000 @ 15:52 - Dan Jacobson=??? ("Dan Jacobson=???" <jidanni@...>)
  695. New tp-picture: Tp Switzerland-Germany-France near Basel
    Hello everybody, today s contribution to our great group: Tripoint GeFrCh - pictures. Enjoy Peter www.geocities.com/mafiapetedk/tpgefrch.jpg
    Oct 04, 2000 @ 17:16 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  696. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New tp-picture: Tp Switzerland-Germany-France near Basel
    congrats & thanx peter this is another multi prize winner i believe the actual tri country point is in your lower pic just beyond the long thin dark area in
    Oct 04, 2000 @ 19:55 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  697. Re: [BoundaryPoint] FW: canadian topographic maps sorry non online state exposed
    nice bag man it is great to hear from this leader creator & no apology necessary you also must tell us p l e a s e how do we get to these other group addresses
    Oct 04, 2000 @ 21:17 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  698. zoomable olympics continued
    following judicial review & drug testing the zoomable island of britain as presented in schematic down to 10000x magnification at the http://www.multimap.com
    Oct 05, 2000 @ 01:21 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  699. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New tp-picture: Tp Switzerland-Germany-France near Basel
    Ok, maybe I lost the train of messages that told me, but I am just curious in knowing exactly where the tripoint lies. The map I copied from www.swissgeo.ch
    Oct 05, 2000 @ 04:42 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@yahoo.com>)
  700. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New tp-picture: Tp Switzerland-Germany-France near Basel
    dear arif thanxxes as well as congratses first because after further drug testing the judges if they could still stand up would award you the gold on behalf of
    Oct 05, 2000 @ 08:59 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  701. sedk boundary on new oeresund bridge - 2 pix
    Hello border folks, I d like everybody to indulge in Europe s newest boundary line - the boundary between Sweden and Denmark on the Oeresundbridge that opened
    Oct 05, 2000 @ 18:33 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  702. Addition to my mail a minute ago
    Sorry folks I just forgot to give you the exact location on the web: www.geocities.com/mafiapetedk/dkseborderoeresundbridge.jpg P. Mike, thanks for your
    Oct 05, 2000 @ 18:35 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  703. Re: [BoundaryPoint] sedk boundary on new oeresund bridge - 2 pix
    Just an addition. Here is a map http://www.oresundskonsortiet.se/graphics/us/maps/dredgingmap.gif B-rgds Jesper ... From: Peter Hering To:
    Oct 05, 2000 @ 18:18 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  704. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Addition to my mail a minute ago
    gorgeous pete & jesper oer the sound here with you now this must really be the bridge to the 21st century m
    Oct 05, 2000 @ 20:22 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  705. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Book references
    thank you again brendan an interlibrary loan is on the way this is almost too exciting now m
    Oct 05, 2000 @ 20:43 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  706. zoomable olympics update
    after further drug testing it now appears to the judges arif wins gold for liechtenstein as well as silver for switzerland while brian has bronze now to
    Oct 05, 2000 @ 22:21 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  707. real indian reservations are round of bound
    http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=40.037&lon=-82.4366&s=25&size=s like their tps m
    Oct 06, 2000 @ 02:10 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  708. Jungholz - here we go !!!
    Hi everybody - at last - the Jungholz mystery is solved !!! Just got an e-mail from the Tourism office in Jungholz - they are looking forward to welcoming the
    Oct 06, 2000 @ 12:39 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  709. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Jungholz - here we go !!!
    yesss this is truly fantastic bottoms up & i see we are raising a chaser at int boundaries list today also so thanxx & cheers again to you & martin too m
    Oct 06, 2000 @ 17:13 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  710. Fw: new land boundary?
    ... From: Gary Jeffress To: Martin Pratt ; Int-Boundaries Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 5:36 PM Subject: Re: new land boundary? Martin, A tried and tested
    Oct 06, 2000 @ 18:52 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  711. Re: [BoundaryPoint] new files with pix downloaded....
    Regarding the Rudbøl pictures posted by Peter I have set up maps of the area on http://www.image.dk/~jesniel/border/rudboel.htm They are found on
    Oct 06, 2000 @ 19:11 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  712. Nicosia Green Line
    Spot the Green line on http://www.terraserver.com/image.asp?S=11&T=100&X=60&Y=88&Z=479&W=2 Jesper
    Oct 06, 2000 @ 19:43 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  713. Re: [BoundaryPoint] new files with pix downloaded....
    beautiful jesper couldnt connect to the danish zoom mother lode yet today but the judges are glad to take your word & sample & have just said no to drug
    Oct 06, 2000 @ 20:02 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  714. Re: [BoundaryPoint] new files with pix downloaded....
    http://www.degulesider.dk and http://www.krak.dk also have Danish zoomable maps. They even have a link to other international maps at
    Oct 06, 2000 @ 20:05 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  715. international shoreline projections update
    the topozone serving dan provided for the easternmost reach of the 49th parallel sector of the caus international boundary situated in muskeg bay of sw lake of
    Oct 07, 2000 @ 01:31 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  716. Tongues and maps
    Yeah, the tongues of land jutting out into another countries are pretty common. I am sure there are many if we look at maps of countries in detail. I was
    Oct 07, 2000 @ 04:39 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  717. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tongues and maps
    agreed i think i will just continue to concentrate on multipoints especially the world class & various other real elites & rarities & relax about all the rest
    Oct 07, 2000 @ 14:13 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  718. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tongues and maps
    About tongues, I still collect them, even though they are not as rare as most other things. However, I do not look for them. If one shows up looking at a
    Oct 07, 2000 @ 18:40 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  719. roundup of great circle boundaries in the united states
    recycled from previous messages 1 newark ohio ceremonial precinct radius about 600 ft prehistoric earthen mound & ditch all but complete circle fast topo link
    Oct 08, 2000 @ 03:40 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  720. 2 candidates for oldest boundary monument in the world
    most boundary scholars agree that the modern system of negotiated & monumented international boundaries dates only from about the treaty of westphalia in 1648
    Oct 08, 2000 @ 06:42 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  721. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 2 candidates for oldest boundary monument in the world
    The second URL does not work. I think Peter never found any boundary markers between France-Spain (and Andorra). Jesper ... From: michael donner
    Oct 08, 2000 @ 08:51 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  722. Jungholz - e-mail for Brendan from Peter
    Dear Brendan, Here s the mail you were asking for - in my humble opinion an answer from the official tourist office on site must almost be regarded as the
    Oct 08, 2000 @ 10:56 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
  723. Sv: [BoundaryPoint] 2 candidates for oldest boundary monument in the world
    Hi Mike, that s nice stuff really !!! Very interesting indeed! On my next trip to Spain I ll most certainly visit that border monument - it must without doubt
    Oct 08, 2000 @ 11:07 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  724. New tp - picture: Belgium-Luxemburg-Germany
    Hello everybody, I m thinking of my group night and day - so this is today s catch: Tp Germany-Belgium-Luxemburg. Peter s pictures taken about 7 years ago
    Oct 08, 2000 @ 11:24 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  725. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New tp - picture: Belgium-Luxemburg-Germany
    Hello Peter Is it a wet or dry tripoint? Jesper ... From: Peter Hering To: BoundaryPoint@egroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 1:24 PM Subject:
    Oct 08, 2000 @ 16:39 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  726. Canadian Four Corners
    Just to knock your socks off: http://www.realmbuilder.com/tristate/cfc.html BJB
    Oct 08, 2000 @ 17:42 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  727. Re: roundup of great circle boundaries in the united states
    I wish you would come up with alternative nomenclature for circular boundaries since the term great circle has particular meaning in the navigational,
    Oct 08, 2000 @ 17:51 - jwahl@qubicle.com (jwahl@...)
  728. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Canadian Four Corners
    I think we just hit the mother lode! ... From: Brian Butler [mailto:bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com] Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 1:43 PM To:
    Oct 08, 2000 @ 19:06 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  729. Re: roundup of great circle boundaries in the united states
    Is the zero mile stone also called the Key of Keys? If so, here are a couple of pictures Gregg Butler took of it.
    Oct 08, 2000 @ 20:12 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  730. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 2 candidates for oldest boundary monument in the world
    ... thanx & oops happily tho this baby is worth a second take with full drum roll so i have corrected the url in the text below enjoy i mean i think it really
    Oct 09, 2000 @ 03:34 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  731. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Jungholz - e-mail for Brendan from Peter
    excuse me but boy am i glad you guys are on this case whatever the outcome m
    Oct 09, 2000 @ 03:35 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  732. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New tp - picture: Belgium-Luxemburg-Germany
    hi pete & thanxx for all these rousing messages & great successes it is divine of you to own & stand for the group now in more ways than just possessing all
    Oct 09, 2000 @ 03:35 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  733. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Canadian Four Corners
    thank you big daddy much better without them anyway but will you tell us the story too max
    Oct 09, 2000 @ 03:35 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  734. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: great roundup of circle boundaries in the united states
    dear jerry welcome & thanxx for these several excellent additions of course you are right & i am happy to comply i only meant circle boundaries that are great
    Oct 09, 2000 @ 03:35 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  735. really big tri country point photo i hope
    just a test to see if you can receive unjammed this link http://www.angelfire.com/md2/polystate3/congo.JPG to an antique photo of what is today the tri country
    Oct 09, 2000 @ 06:08 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  736. Sv: [BoundaryPoint] New tp - picture: Belgium-Luxemburg-Germany
    Re: Tp BeLuGe - it s a wet one (as shown on the black/white picture): where the Ribbach - creek that forms the border between Be + Lu empties into the Our
    Oct 09, 2000 @ 18:49 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  737. Two new tripoints - and Baarle pix !!!
    Hello from Oelstykke/Denmark (Oelstykke means Beerpiece...!!!) Only 11 months left to our GCEBE...! I put two new tripoints on my homepage: 1 - tp
    Oct 09, 2000 @ 20:07 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  738. Re: great roundup of circle boundaries in the united states
    There is always a great circle route between two points on a sphere (the great circle is the intersection of the sphere and the plane defined by the two points
    Oct 09, 2000 @ 19:15 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  739. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Two new tripoints - and Baarle pix !!!
    Hi I took the liberty to update Peters homepage with the links. Did you ever see a picture of Pete? Take a look at the Baarle monument. Jesper ... From: Peter
    Oct 09, 2000 @ 19:59 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  740. Re: [BoundaryPoint] really big tri country point photo i hope
    http://www.angelfire.com/md2/polystate3/index3.html is now working
    Oct 09, 2000 @ 20:07 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  741. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Two new tripoints - and Baarle pix !!!
    where is this emperors new clothes or not i gotta see this m
    Oct 09, 2000 @ 20:59 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  742. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: great roundup of circle boundaries in the united states
    it is amusing to follow up & observe without at all contradicting jerry that the relocation of the naval observatory from the foggy bottom location which lies
    Oct 10, 2000 @ 08:32 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  743. forgotten links - Peter's sorry..!
    Sorry folks, yesterday I forgot to inform you about the three new links .. 1- Tp Argentina-Brazil-Paraguay: www.geocities.com/mafiapetedk/tpargbrapar.jpg 2-
    Oct 10, 2000 @ 11:06 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  744. Re: [BoundaryPoint] gotten links
    thank goodness you are clothed & hairy mlord very tastefully done indeed argentina brazil paraguay is a multi success in particular as it brings our
    Oct 10, 2000 @ 17:57 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  745. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: great roundup of circle boundaries in the united states
    very clever mon papa & you would not be trying to pull a fast one on pontiff max of canada now would you but it is a good story even if not the one we asked
    Oct 10, 2000 @ 18:35 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  746. maritime tri country points
    i recently had & therefore we also now have an extremely interesting message from our resident boundary rock martin regarding the elusive marine half of the
    Oct 10, 2000 @ 19:20 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  747. transequatorial baptism
    our recent messages about great circle boundaries as well as our first crossover au grand tour into the southern hemisphere for arbrpa & iguazu have drawn my
    Oct 11, 2000 @ 00:50 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  748. equatorial boundary update
    still havent found a decent provincial map of gabon nor of indonesia really but it is now looking as tho gabon may well contain a dry land interprovincial
    Oct 11, 2000 @ 05:43 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  749. meanwhile back in europe
    so having made a couple of passes across & around the equator our progressive party is now back in the northern hemisphere where we are still or again
    Oct 11, 2000 @ 18:03 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  750. Other side of the world
    idea: probably already said by me, but antipodes are fun too: find say the capitol building of the country on the exact oposite side of the world to you and
    Oct 12, 2000 @ 04:04 - ¿n¤¦¥§ ("¿n¤¦¥§"<jidanni@...>)
  751. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Other side of the world
    this is neat dan & quite a challenge to miss the indian ocean in my case but hey with you in china we can dig ourselves together proverbially too actually i
    Oct 12, 2000 @ 07:16 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  752. more brazilian tps
    further search of the brazilian site mentioned yesterday turned up photos of 2 additional tri country points the 9th & 10th to be collected here
    Oct 12, 2000 @ 07:16 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  753. key of keys was Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: roundup of great circle boundaries in the united states
    i would like to understand this better too bible p91f says zero mile stone pertains to a supposed nationwide system of numbered milestones radiating in all
    Oct 12, 2000 @ 19:30 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  754. hello out there in geography land
    & i think we are on solid ground with that tautology the above salute from a friend i couldnt help but relay to you m
    Oct 12, 2000 @ 21:21 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  755. tp elsalvador guatemala honduras
    a possible very distant photographic glimpse plus a good deal of essential information for visitors about this probably westernmost tri country point in the
    Oct 12, 2000 @ 22:30 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  756. tp brazil guyana venezuela
    http://www.inkas.com/venezuela_tours/03_exploring_roraima.html probably shows the point itself but i cant put my finger on it presumably at the summit once
    Oct 12, 2000 @ 23:04 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  757. tp laos myanmar thailand
    i think jesper may have been the first to draw our attention to this point or site in a previous millennium or incarnation
    Oct 12, 2000 @ 23:52 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  758. ermm... Taiwan, not China
    ... ermm... Taiwan, not China. Don t be fooled by R.O.C. blather by the government here. -- null ... ©_¼¯¹q¤l«H½c¡E·¾³q¤ß¥@¬É
    Oct 13, 2000 @ 12:46 - ¿n¤¦¥§ ("¿n¤¦¥§"<jidanni@...>)
  759. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ermm... Taiwan, not China
    thank you dan glad to get straight with you m taking a break now as gideons bigger bible has arrived
    Oct 13, 2000 @ 15:58 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  760. Re: [BoundaryPoint] tp elsalvador guatemala honduras
    Congrats to Michael for perhaps finding a pic of the tripoint. I my self have been chasing this one. An apparently famous spot, but nobody bothered to bring
    Oct 13, 2000 @ 18:06 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  761. Re: [BoundaryPoint] tp brazil guyana venezuela
    Tripoint markers seems to be popular in South America. And impressive too - again noone took out their camera at this point. The borders of Asia seems quite
    Oct 13, 2000 @ 18:14 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  762. the good news from gideons jerusalem bible
    or some highlights anyway first & just to make 2 wrongs into a right because we can here is a serenade to jespers early suggestion & first ever nomination of a
    Oct 14, 2000 @ 03:16 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  763. Re: [BoundaryPoint] the good news from gideons jerusalem bible
    Hi Mike Congrats on getting hold of the Gideon book. Where did you get it? I search my local library and they told me there were only one copy of the book in
    Oct 14, 2000 @ 09:03 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  764. third world tps was Re: [BoundaryPoint] tp brazil guyana venezuela
    gideon says there are some african boundaries for which no international agreement has been publicized & others for which none even exists he also makes it
    Oct 15, 2000 @ 06:18 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  765. Re: [BoundaryPoint] the good news from gideons jerusalem bible
    jesper it must have been a godsend first i found 3 or 4 copies listed in the connecticut interlibrary database & i ordered it but no willing lender emerged
    Oct 15, 2000 @ 06:18 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  766. more from gideon
    following are the assembled clues from gideon to all 39 tps of countries that begin with the letter a or roughly a quarter of the entire tp inventory i am
    Oct 15, 2000 @ 06:18 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  767. great roundup of circle boundaries goes global
    frankly it was a bit disturbing to find no fewer than 5 olympic rings in the united states last week but not a single additional example of a circle boundary
    Oct 15, 2000 @ 06:19 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  768. Re: [BoundaryPoint] tp elsalvador guatemala honduras
    thanx jesper i admit this may win a prize for cheapo extraordinaire the most ridiculous foto claim in history & still pretty good for a cloud forest too but
    Oct 15, 2000 @ 06:19 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  769. Gideon - a dream comes true...- Peter calls Mike..
    Dear Mike, re: Gideon - the real bible. I envy you for holding this beauty in your arms...! Would you please inform me about the exact title and editor once
    Oct 16, 2000 @ 08:56 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  770. India Pakistan
    India begins fencing border JAMMU (occupied), Sept 21: India has begun fencing sections of its international border with Pakistan to block infiltration of
    Oct 16, 2000 @ 18:44 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  771. Border crossing
    This might be at interest: http://www.jetcity.com/~suebee/45.shtml Jesper
    Oct 16, 2000 @ 19:08 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  772. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon - a dream comes true...- Peter calls Mike..
    thank you peter the encyclopedia of international boundaries by gideon biger in collaboration with the international boundaries research unit university of
    Oct 16, 2000 @ 21:02 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  773. tp egypt libya sudan
    read the caption first for some reason at http://www.to-scorpio.com/earth0122b.htm then click on the 2nd photo in the left column & then look for the mountain
    Oct 17, 2000 @ 02:27 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  774. slightly better uweinat shots
    http://fjexpeditions.virtualave.net/page5.html
    Oct 17, 2000 @ 02:58 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  775. tp laos myanmar thailand improved photo
    http://search.corbis.com/default.asp?s=golden+triangle&l=golden+triangle&b=3&v=1 &a=3&p=6&r=36&m=1 another resource originally pointed out by jesper if i
    Oct 17, 2000 @ 17:27 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  776. tp france italy switzerland
    gideon seems to indicate dolent peak is the tripoint http://search.corbis.com/default.asp?q=dolent&v=1&s=dolent&image1.x=9&image1.y=1 0 for a choice of viewing
    Oct 17, 2000 @ 17:50 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  777. tp belgium germany holland aka bedenl
    the present bedenl point was between 1919 & 1922 actually a ... & if you zoom in on bedenl at mapquest you will see a municipal boundary also converging upon
    Oct 17, 2000 @ 18:32 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  778. New border pix added
    I have added a few new border pix - sorry if it to crowded. Check out the statusbar at the left-bottom for the link. Added are Afghanistan-Pakistan, China-Hong
    Oct 17, 2000 @ 19:42 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  779. 2 tps in one pic
    thanx jesper for the new pix while probing your map for the link points of which i have only managed to check the chpk pic so far i discovered also your space
    Oct 18, 2000 @ 00:14 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  780. tp austria italy slovenia
    petzen or pec peak on mt forno aka mt ofen at or near which the tp is situated according to gideon is evidently the snowcap at right of center in
    Oct 18, 2000 @ 05:00 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  781. Sv: [BoundaryPoint] tp austria italy slovenia
    Hi Mike, interesting picture, lots of snow - I hate wintertime, I d rather be in Australia swimming amongst dolphins... Sorry Mike, but this picture of
    Oct 18, 2000 @ 17:07 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  782. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 2 tps in one pic
    Here is some reading stuff for Lake Chad tripoint
    Oct 18, 2000 @ 17:20 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  783. Maps on disputed boundary China-Russia
    http://www.lib.utexas.edu/Libs/PCL/Map_collection/middle_east_and_asia/China_USSR_E_88.jpg
    Oct 18, 2000 @ 18:03 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  784. Re: [BoundaryPoint] tp belgium germany holland aka bedenl
    Actually it was a quadripoint from 1815-1918. Moresnet was in dispute between Prussia and Holland afteer the Congress of Vienna and so became a neutral zone
    Oct 19, 2000 @ 06:26 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  785. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 2 tps in one pic
    jesper thanx this case didnt really affect either of the lake chad tps since they were beyond the icj mandate as the court itself explained in chapter 4 still
    Oct 18, 2000 @ 19:59 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  786. Re: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] tp austria italy slovenia
    thanx pete & i certainly agree with you & the dolphins for the play is the thing here too & you know i am only in this for the fun of it & wouldnt deign to
    Oct 18, 2000 @ 19:58 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  787. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Maps on disputed boundary China-Russia
    hard to tell but this may very slightly affect the position of tp china mongolia russia east m
    Oct 18, 2000 @ 20:17 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  788. Re: [BoundaryPoint] tp belgium germany holland aka bedenl
    thank you brendan these are the data i wanted fantastic m
    Oct 18, 2000 @ 20:03 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  789. Gideon
    Hello Mike Can you post details of the boundary marking of San Marino, Monaco, Liechtenstein, Andorra and Lesotho? Jesper
    Oct 18, 2000 @ 20:21 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  790. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon
    gladly tho for san marino & monaco & andorra he doesnt mention boundary markings at all but does show a pic of a road sign entering monte carlo liechtenstein
    Oct 18, 2000 @ 22:16 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  791. Sv: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] tp austria italy slovenia
    Dear Mike, thanks for your quick reply on this tp. I admit, the whole matter is a bit confusing - but I think I know what happened: Our Tp is on Mt. Forno -
    Oct 19, 2000 @ 11:09 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  792. Re: Sv: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] tp austria italy slovenia
    ahhh i see thank you the 1509m agreement between your topo & gideon confirms you are both right there & talking about the same peak & as
    Oct 19, 2000 @ 16:44 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  793. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon
    Hi Mike Thanks for the info. What does he have on ZA tripoints? Jesper ... From: michael donner To: Sent:
    Oct 19, 2000 @ 20:51 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  794. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon
    Peter sent me an e-mail regarding the borders I requested of Mike. He told me: *according to topomap Au-FL have 100-110 boundary markers *CH-FL border
    Oct 19, 2000 @ 21:01 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  795. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon
    welcome jesper trusting you are talking iso here za for south africa rather than fips za for zambia & i love it when you do either again not much from gideon
    Oct 19, 2000 @ 23:44 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  796. tp france italy switzerland possible improvement
    sobered by my recent missed try at petzen & unable to rule out a similar or dissimilar mishap here at the other end of the frit boundary i am still encouraged
    Oct 20, 2000 @ 03:20 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  797. Gideon on Jungholz
    Does Giddy mention Jungholz? Jesper
    Oct 20, 2000 @ 13:00 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  798. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon
    welcome to you too Gideon-Mike What does Gideon say on Russia-China-N Korea? Cyprus tripoints? Jesper
    Oct 20, 2000 @ 13:14 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  799. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon
    ... Is mpundweni spelled correctly? Cannot find it Jesper
    Oct 20, 2000 @ 13:14 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  800. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon on Jungholz
    gid question but not a peep from him on this he is well within his editorial license to simplify here in any case yet his silence may lend a bit more credence
    Oct 20, 2000 @ 18:00 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  801. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon
    ... smiles & guffaws from the mike donner ... in 2 places he says tp is in tumen river about 12 mi or 19 km from its mouth specifying the middle of the river
    Oct 20, 2000 @ 19:01 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  802. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon
    yes he spells mpundweni this way twice capitalizing it & the word beacon too which he changes to pillar in another place which leads me to believe it may
    Oct 20, 2000 @ 19:34 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  803. My page
    So Michael mentioned a few weeks ago that we should have a web page for all the county enclaves and intersecting borders we were collecting. So I thought
    Oct 21, 2000 @ 00:12 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  804. Re: [BoundaryPoint] My page
    magnificent job arif it is wonderful to see all these birds of a feather actually flocking together as if with a single mind will look for your weekly novelty
    Oct 21, 2000 @ 08:27 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  805. Re: [BoundaryPoint] tp belgium germany holland aka bedenl
    http://home.hccnet.nl/c.damen/images/landkaart/landkaart_stip.jpg gives a nice outline map of neutral moresnet & shows how it used to meet the bedenl point in
    Oct 21, 2000 @ 08:27 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  806. Possible tripoint picture
    Unconfirmed wet tripoint photo on Albania-Macedonia-Greece http://www.markopolo.com/in_coming/makedonija/ezera/lake-prespa.htm Jesper
    Oct 22, 2000 @ 12:02 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  807. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 2 tps in one pic
    Mike, thanks for the comment on the satllite photos. I agreed that they are not ideal, but they are a fine solution until a more precise photo is found.
    Oct 22, 2000 @ 12:17 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  808. Gideo on Israel
    Hi Mike Whats does Giddy then say on Israel boundary + tps. Jesper
    Oct 22, 2000 @ 12:35 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  809. BorderPictures
    I have added a few pics: NOSEFI ARBRPY and a special : Ceuta-Morocco http://www.image.dk/~jesniel/border/border.htm Jesper
    Oct 22, 2000 @ 12:59 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  810. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Possible tripoint picture
    bravissimo jesper i believe you have succeeded here with a point i have tried & only dreamt of finding a multimap zoom gives a great ride into here & helps
    Oct 22, 2000 @ 18:13 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  811. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 2 tps in one pic
    wonderful lets go for it then in fact it will probably be easy to assemble the full collection if everything is gis digitized as i imagine & this could then be
    Oct 22, 2000 @ 18:25 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  812. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gideo on Israel
    he gives about 8 large pages of mostly historical details on the boundaries usually mentions they are marked when dry & of course gives nothing definitive
    Oct 22, 2000 @ 19:01 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  813. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Possible tripoint picture
    Hi Mike Here is a nice tripoint map of Lake Prespa (Albania-Macedonia-Greece) http://www.f1.net.au/users/igortoni/lakespre.html Jesper
    Oct 22, 2000 @ 19:04 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  814. possibly the first tp on a stamp
    the peak behind the mountain gorillas on this rwandan postage stamp http://www.pibburns.com/cryptost/rwan363.jpg stands a good chance of being mount sabinyo or
    Oct 22, 2000 @ 19:18 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  815. Topomap of DK
    http://kort.jubii.dk now seems to be working again - zoom into the border, and then get a an arial shot too. Jesper
    Oct 22, 2000 @ 19:17 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  816. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Possible tripoint picture
    hi jesper fantastic confirmation you can even see the tripoint & the island at the same time here now m
    Oct 22, 2000 @ 21:15 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  817. Tripoint MK-AL-GR
    Hallo everybody, Floating border mark on the tripartite border point among Republic of Macedonia, Republic of Albania and Republic of Greece, has never been
    Oct 23, 2000 @ 08:01 - Mile Milenkoski ("Mile Milenkoski" <mmilenkoski@...>)
  818. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoint MK-AL-GR
    Hello Mile Great link there. Do you have any photos of the other Macedonian tripoints or boundary markers. Best regards Jesper ... From: Mile Milenkoski
    Oct 23, 2000 @ 20:23 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  819. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoint MK-AL-GR
    ... 1000 additional welcomes mile if we may prolong the red carpet for you are the first public official to join us & thanxx & kudos to you & dr talevski for
    Oct 24, 2000 @ 03:24 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  820. tp macedonia albania greece
    photo of golem grad or veliki grad the island in lake prespa just northeast of the algrmk tripoint & the closest dry land to the point posted at
    Oct 24, 2000 @ 06:54 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  821. Rabbit holes
    Mike, Here are pictures of three holes in the ground. Actually, the hole is gone at the first one, ks-mo-ok tripoint. Joyce didn t wet her pants. That s a
    Oct 26, 2000 @ 03:10 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@gisco.net>)
  822. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Rabbit holes
    welcome home & thanks jack your update on ksmook suggests to me we are all probably correct here at least joyce seems to be standing just where i remember the
    Oct 26, 2000 @ 08:31 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  823. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Rabbit holes continued
    also jack you have raised a marvelous coinsidence of topics here as well as of lines & points for on your journey well devoted to rabbit hole renewal &
    Oct 26, 2000 @ 20:33 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  824. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon on Jungholz
    ... I got the following fomr a colleague just after your message: i haven t been there, but i have it first hand from the person responsible in the austrian
    Oct 29, 2000 @ 05:50 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  825. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon on Jungholz
    brendan multi wonderful news & congrats to you & us especially for this our first visit to a tri country point in real time & extra good of you to make it just
    Oct 28, 2000 @ 16:13 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  826. Re: [BoundaryPoint] tp belgium germany holland aka bedenl
    no, no ,no, what i meant was, accordingf to Versailles, Moresnet was integrated into Belgium along with Epen/Malmedy (subject to a plebiscite where those NOT
    Oct 29, 2000 @ 05:58 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  827. out for a news tour of the first state
    & some other fascinating delaware points then down the blue ridge etc on a leaf peak stretch back soon m
    Oct 28, 2000 @ 19:06 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  828. Sv: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon on Jungholz
    Hi Brendan and Jesper, Jungholz again and again: Personally I do not see any contradiction in terms on this matter: Let s assume there s a geometric point on
    Oct 29, 2000 @ 12:15 - Peter & Marianne Hering ("Peter & Marianne Hering" <hering@...>)
  829. The Iron Curtain
    http://www.brianrose.com/lostborder.htm
    Nov 01, 2000 @ 19:56 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  830. Web pages
    I have created a link page and added a few map sites there. Unfortunately, I still do not have a tripoint site. I didn t find an all-encompassing US or world
    Nov 01, 2000 @ 20:13 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  831. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Digest Number 116
    Dudes, I need to be alone... Naw, ha ha, it s just that I can t keep up with my mailbox... You see I m an importaint player in the stupid romanization
    Nov 02, 2000 @ 15:11 - Dan Jacobson=¿n¤¦¥§ ("Dan Jacobson=¿n¤¦¥§" <jidanni@...>)
  832. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Digest Number 116
    Dan, just a suggestion, but you can change your e-mail options from the main page to digest (one multiple e-mail per day, or no e-mail, which lets you stay
    Nov 02, 2000 @ 15:36 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  833. Where is this
    Hi Group Where is this: Please help http://search.gallery.yahoo.com/search/corbis_id?p=cid%3A11270124 Jesper
    Nov 04, 2000 @ 21:01 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  834. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Where is this
    Here is another one: http://search.gallery.yahoo.com/search/corbis_id?p=cid%3A11448328 Jesper ... From: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen To:
    Nov 04, 2000 @ 21:03 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  835. Hong Kong - CHina
    We think the HK-China border is heavily guarded, well have a look: http://www.btinternet.com/~purplesafari/gtej/20000522/ Jesper
    Nov 04, 2000 @ 22:09 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  836. Did anybody know this?
    http://www.dallasnews.com/travel/canada/25677_border.html Jesper
    Nov 04, 2000 @ 22:16 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  837. An airport ON the border
    http://partners.nytimes.com/library/travel/practical/pt990110.html Jesper
    Nov 04, 2000 @ 23:21 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  838. Benin-Burkino Faso-Niger tripoint
    no picture, but http://www.wcmc.org.uk/protected_areas/data/wh/ w -np.htm Jesper
    Nov 04, 2000 @ 23:22 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  839. Jungholz connection is a point
    ... Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 16:39:57 +0100 From: Andrew U. Frank To: David Mark Subject: RE:
    Nov 06, 2000 @ 15:54 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  840. Is this gate the border?
    http://search.gallery.yahoo.com/search/corbis_id?p=cid%3A10763599 Jesper
    Nov 06, 2000 @ 21:10 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  841. Fredag
    Hej Peter Hvornår skal vi ses på fredag? Mvh Jesper
    Nov 07, 2000 @ 19:22 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  842. Re: [BoundaryPoint] An airport ON the border
    I want to point out after Peter telling me and doing some research (today the airport sent me a nice map with the tripoint of Basel), that the airport is not
    Nov 09, 2000 @ 19:24 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  843. Tibet border
    Tibet bordering what country? http://community.webshots.com/photo/3304079/3324482xqHWrfChRQ Jesper
    Nov 09, 2000 @ 21:33 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  844. Border and Frontiers
    Just wandering if you are also tired of searching for borders and getting dogs, and searching for frontiers and getting cars? ;-) Jesper
    Nov 09, 2000 @ 21:39 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  845. France and ?
    http://community.webshots.com/photo/1798878/1904832zemfbTNGbZ
    Nov 09, 2000 @ 22:02 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  846. KL-PJ Border
    http://community.webshots.com/photo/5201425/5842570YSeBfadBDi Sorry where?? Jesper
    Nov 09, 2000 @ 21:17 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  847. Re: [BoundaryPoint] An airport ON the border
    It is interesting and worth checking out the airport site. http://www.euroairport.com/pages/infos/index_infos_e.html is the site. There are two plans of
    Nov 09, 2000 @ 23:21 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  848. Belize-Guatemala Border
    Some interesting events surrounding the Belize/Guatemala border... The first 3 stories from Belize s The Reporter newspaper. The final one from Channel 5
    Nov 10, 2000 @ 17:40 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug_murray@...>)
  849. New great border site
    I and Peter just surfed on this great border site Unfortunately it is in Dutch and German, but it has great links and information for border freaks. Jesper
    Nov 10, 2000 @ 19:08 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  850. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New great border site
    Is there anybody who could possibly translate the website to me? It is at moments like this, I wished I took German in college. ...
    Nov 11, 2000 @ 04:50 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  851. Re: [BoundaryPoint] translator
    ... From: Arif Samad Reply-To: BoundaryPoint@egroups.com Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 20:50:46 -0800 (PST) ... Hi. For a surprisingly good
    Nov 11, 2000 @ 08:46 - Rolf Palmberg LI ("Rolf Palmberg LI" <rpalmber@...>)
  852. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New great border site
    Go to http://world.altavista.com/ and type in the URL or the web page you wish to translate, select the language pair. The translations are bad, often very
    Nov 11, 2000 @ 14:00 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  853. Re: Fwd: [BoundaryPoint] Web pages
    thanx arif this is wonderful so georgia now leads the entire rest of the world in circle towns by a revised vote count of 2 to 0 i would like to call for
    Nov 11, 2000 @ 16:26 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  854. Re: Fwd: Re: [BoundaryPoint] tp belgium germany holland aka bedenl
    ok brendan beautiful visitation report & glad to have these corrections & multi negations from which i gather you mean you would end the multipoint chronology
    Nov 11, 2000 @ 16:28 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  855. Re: Fwd: [BoundaryPoint] Web pages
    I started from Plains, working eastward, on the TIGER map server, and immediately found two more circular cities, different radii and almost tangent to each
    Nov 11, 2000 @ 17:53 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  856. Re: Tibet border
    hej answer is nepal m so do i get a prize
    Nov 11, 2000 @ 20:03 - moc.il@li.com (moc.il@...)
  857. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Tibet border
    Hej m P already gave me the answer. And there is no silver medal. Jesper ... From: To: Sent: Saturday, November 11,
    Nov 11, 2000 @ 20:06 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  858. Re: Fwd: [BoundaryPoint] Web pages
    michael, good intuition that there might be more circular towns in Georgia USA! Circular city limits in Georgia: Leslie De Soto Plains Smithville (incomplete
    Nov 11, 2000 @ 20:20 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  859. Re: Fwd: [BoundaryPoint] Web pages
    ... bired is a combination of bored and tired ... :-)
    Nov 11, 2000 @ 20:27 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  860. Re: KL-PJ Border
    well i shouldnt tell you if you dont give prizes but i think kl stands for kuala lumpur & pj petaling jaya which i believe are actually noncontiguous secondary
    Nov 11, 2000 @ 20:35 - moc.il@li.com (moc.il@...)
  861. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: KL-PJ Border
    On this one I rested my case when I realized in was not an international boundary. jesper ... From: To: Sent:
    Nov 11, 2000 @ 20:36 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  862. Re: Fwd: [BoundaryPoint] Web pages
    awesome david many thanxx m but what do you think explains all this swiss cheese moonscape occurring only in georgia
    Nov 11, 2000 @ 20:39 - moc.il@li.com (moc.il@...)
  863. breaking news
    not yet fully recounted but at least you can see the full monumental tour of the cardinal extremities of delaware at
    Nov 11, 2000 @ 20:49 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  864. Re: Fwd: [BoundaryPoint] Web pages
    Ok, I did not think about checking Census maps to find out if there were circular towns. Then again, I thought it would be weird that Georgia would be the
    Nov 11, 2000 @ 21:29 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  865. Re: Fwd: [BoundaryPoint] Web pages
    yeah but did you just see daley & christopher in the naval observatory circle m
    Nov 11, 2000 @ 22:00 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  866. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Belize-Guatemala Border
    good lord doug this is multi fantastic news & many welcomes to you in any case the mention of the aguas turbias terminus at the belize guatemala mexico tri
    Nov 11, 2000 @ 22:01 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  867. Re: Fwd: [BoundaryPoint] Web pages
    I would suspect a state law facoring them. Rules for county and local government are set by each state. It seems very rational once you think about it, that
    Nov 11, 2000 @ 22:54 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  868. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Benin-Burkino Faso-Niger tripoint
    good catch jesper better than a picture in a way & this article also seems to give us at the apparently southernmost point of the park our first up to the
    Nov 12, 2000 @ 00:06 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  869. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Jungholz connection is a point
    here we go indeed this makes it conclusive at 3 unquestionable votes for a point as opposed to 1 or 2 unquestionable votes against a point i think but i forget
    Nov 12, 2000 @ 01:01 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  870. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New great border site
    great stuff here dudes also can anyone say if there is any info about any multipoints lurking amidst all these words & pix excuse me for asking but my dutch is
    Nov 12, 2000 @ 03:12 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  871. Re: [BoundaryPoint] France and ?
    hmmm very interesting since they were evidently en route at the time from denmark to metz & later proceeded toward verdun & calais &c this almost has to be
    Nov 12, 2000 @ 03:35 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  872. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New great border site
    Try www.babelfish.com, or any of the other online translation engineS: cut and paste the text into the translation site, sfor a workable if not masterful
    Nov 12, 2000 @ 19:37 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  873. Re: Fwd: Re: [BoundaryPoint] tp belgium germany holland aka bedenl
    What about the south pole, for 2 Aussie bits, a NZ bit, a French one, a Brit one (or Chilean or Agentinian), and the unclaimed/Norwegian bit. That s 6, with 2
    Nov 12, 2000 @ 19:47 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  874. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Jungholz connection is a point
    This one is really bother Peter alot, and he is chasing the truth with zeal. So the last word is not said in this matter yet. For the new people, here is a
    Nov 12, 2000 @ 15:05 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  875. Re: [BoundaryPoint] France and ?
    You get a prize, but I m afraid we don t send overseas. Peter s guess is Spain judging on the flat house, not Andorra as he says there is only one way to get
    Nov 12, 2000 @ 15:08 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  876. Re: [BoundaryPoint] France and ?
    Most of the Spain-France crossings have much steeper topography than that, including the one closest to the Mediterranean. So I was guessing it must be up in
    Nov 12, 2000 @ 15:26 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  877. Re: [BoundaryPoint] France and ?
    I will try to write to the man who posted the photo. So far I did not manage to get hold of any e-mail address from his site. Jesper ... From: David Mark
    Nov 12, 2000 @ 15:45 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  878. Sv: [BoundaryPoint] France and ?
    Yes Mark, you re right (again) in principle - but France and Spain do have a few crossings close to the Mediterranean where the topography looks like the one
    Nov 12, 2000 @ 19:15 - Peter & Marianne Hering ("Peter & Marianne Hering" <hering@...>)
  879. Re: [BoundaryPoint] France and ?
    jesper that may not be necessary instead just click back into the original website below & then click trace the photographers dated itinerary since this
    Nov 12, 2000 @ 21:14 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  880. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Belize-Guatemala Border
    Your link creates this error msg: You have reached a restricted area. Please return to Yahoo! Photos. Jesper ... From: Doug Murray
    Nov 12, 2000 @ 21:19 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  881. Re: Belize-Guatemala Border
    Argh! Ok, here is a link that works: http://photos.yahoo.com/dougmurray85 and then select the BELIZE BITS album. ... hope ... MX. ... year s ... NTSC? ...
    Nov 12, 2000 @ 21:31 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
  882. Re: Belize-Guatemala Border (updated with fixed link)
    I wish I were replying from Belize, but in actual fact home is Vancouver, BC. I m the guy that created the Point Roberts, WA/Tsawassen BC site. Anyway... I
    Nov 12, 2000 @ 21:33 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
  883. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Belize-Guatemala Border (updated with fixed link)
    The IBRU at Durham has the Pyrenees prog fomr Frontiers , and a copy of the book (essays, close to the scripts, from each frontier narrator, with photos). You
    Nov 13, 2000 @ 14:57 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  884. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Jungholz connection is a point
    There is a file in the Public Record Office in London on Jungholz and Kleinweisertal (sp?) nearby, when they were in the British sector of austria post-war.
    Nov 13, 2000 @ 15:08 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  885. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Belize-Guatemala Border
    wow that is still better news also my detail map of the bzgtmx region made in vancouver btw shows that the access from mexico is probably worst evidently
    Nov 12, 2000 @ 23:23 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  886. Re: [BoundaryPoint] tp belgium germany holland aka bedenl
    yes that is my favorite simpsons moment of all time & jane & i caught it on tv just as we returned home following our failed attempt to drop a buoy at the
    Nov 13, 2000 @ 00:50 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  887. RE: circular cities in georgia??? (fwd)
    many circular city limits in South carolina as well! Go to http://tiger.census.gov/cgi-bin/mapbrowse-tbl/ scroll down to the botton, and search for Estill, SC
    Nov 13, 2000 @ 13:53 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  888. Re: circular cities in georgia??? (fwd)
    I have put Lynn s attachments up on the web at http://www.geog.buffalo.edu/~dmark/circles.html instead of emailing them as attachments. David ... Date: Mon, 13
    Nov 13, 2000 @ 16:34 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  889. GCEBE-sept.01 - video
    Hi Doug, thanks for your mail - yes, that would be a phantastic idea making a video of this trip which must be the very first of its kind... - count me in -
    Nov 13, 2000 @ 17:41 - Peter & Marianne Hering ("Peter & Marianne Hering" <hering@...>)
  890. Re: [BoundaryPoint] GCEBE-sept.01 - video
    Peter: The planning begins... Walking the Line is available via www.chapters.ca a retail bookseller in this part of the Empire. Do a search of the title, and
    Nov 13, 2000 @ 18:14 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dougmurray@...>)
  891. Re: [BoundaryPoint] RE: circular cities in georgia??? (fwd)
    great news & research david & cool use of this nice toy too so do you think circle towns is a national thing or only a bubba thing or what perhaps it just
    Nov 13, 2000 @ 18:47 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  892. This is not a border post
    Sorry for posting off topic, but I would like to share this one with my American friends in case they did not know.
    Nov 13, 2000 @ 20:49 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  893. Re: Delaware
    hey bill how are you digging the florida game awesome baby & i just spoke to captain terry & reserved his bass boat to do glhemaokpa on inauguration day
    Nov 14, 2000 @ 00:09 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  894. Circular cities
    Thanks to David and Lynn we have an explanation of the why and how. For those who want to quickly look at some of these in AL, GA, NC and SC I recommend Road
    Nov 14, 2000 @ 04:13 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
  895. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Circular cities
    hey jack i think we should hand count but sheesh i already certified it georgia 250 approx sc 125 approx nc 67 al 36 florida 1 m
    Nov 14, 2000 @ 14:32 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  896. laorospo lives too
    just saw polk county chime in on the new count mick
    Nov 14, 2000 @ 15:12 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  897. Zoomable map
    Just found these zoomable maps France: http://www.imaps.com Austria: http://www.netwing.at/austria/index_e.html (was down) Jesper
    Nov 14, 2000 @ 19:20 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  898. Celebration time - Jungholz mystery solved (I hope...)
    Hello everybody, this is the moment I ve been waiting for - frankly this tiny Alpine village of Jungholz has caused a lot of headache, and is the reason why my
    Nov 14, 2000 @ 20:04 - Peter & Marianne Hering ("Peter & Marianne Hering" <hering@...>)
  899. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Zoomable map
    Should be France: http://www.ismap.com Jesper ... From: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@egroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 8:20 PM
    Nov 14, 2000 @ 20:21 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  900. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Celebration time - Jungholz mystery solved (I hope...)
    Peter...hoist one for me! Bill
    Nov 14, 2000 @ 20:34 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  901. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Celebration time - Jungholz mystery solved (I hope...)
    This agrees with my Austrian informant Andrew Frank of the Technical University of Vienna, so I think we have a result. The Jungholz region touches the
    Nov 14, 2000 @ 21:04 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  902. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Circular cities
    ... Boy, if we can t count 125 circles on a map accurately, no wonder they re having problems in Florida! ;-)
    Nov 15, 2000 @ 14:25 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  903. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Celebration time - Jungholz mystery solved (I hope...)
    Fantanstic! A bottle of Jaegermeister for the man, please waiter. That s the info I needed. I was under the impression the cross was on the point itself, but
    Nov 15, 2000 @ 15:38 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  904. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Circular cities
    It s circular logic. ... From: Brendan Whyte [mailto:brwhyte@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 9:25 AM To: BoundaryPoint@egroups.com Subject: Re:
    Nov 15, 2000 @ 05:29 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  905. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Circular cities
    yes i agree & one would think in a round circa 2000 we could be more exact than a round 300 votes m
    Nov 15, 2000 @ 12:42 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  906. Gideon's book
    Hi Michael Can you give me info on the borders of Ceuta & Melilla, Brunei and St Martin from Gideons Bible? Jesper
    Nov 15, 2000 @ 19:06 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  907. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon's book
    will gladly check it at the high school when my truck is fixed or when jane goes there to teach unless brendan can beat me to the punch & answer first in the
    Nov 15, 2000 @ 23:33 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  908. excuuuse me
    i only meant a coup that is judaeo military not a military coup that is jewish indeed there is no thought of any military coup success only m
    Nov 16, 2000 @ 14:57 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  909. florida megapoints
    all the tv networks are flashing the county map of florida several times per hour now & my own gaze of course keeps levitating to the maxipoint & indeed all
    Nov 16, 2000 @ 15:02 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  910. [BoundaryPoint] breaking news
    in the interests of finality & accuracy & fairness there is really no reason to even wait for friday nite nor the impending judaeo military coup in absentia
    Nov 16, 2000 @ 14:52 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  911. another question for william s schenck
    dear mr schenck thanxx for your response & again for http://www.udel.edu/dgs/pub/info6.html among all the other delaware state boundary monument facilities in
    Nov 16, 2000 @ 20:29 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  912. I know I shouldn't add to all the junk email, but this is funny!
    NOTICE OF REVOCATION OF INDEPENDENCE To the citizens of the United States of America, In the light of your failure to elect a President of the USA and thus to
    Nov 16, 2000 @ 20:46 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug_murray@...>)
  913. Re: [BoundaryPoint] I know I shouldn't add to all the junk email, but this is funny!
    hahahaha but does this mean we lose our coastal & navigable waters to the crown too just like canada duh well nothing doing in that case because it would cost
    Nov 17, 2000 @ 00:02 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  914. Re: New great border site
    Hello, I m the maker of this Border site that features views of the Dutch- German (and Belgian border) As it shows views of the border of Holland, Germany and
    Nov 17, 2000 @ 20:26 - kahbeh@hotmail.com (kahbeh@...)
  915. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: New great border site
    welcome bernd glad you share our interest too & funny how we all seem to be concentrating on the belgian dutch german tripoint about how far from there are you
    Nov 18, 2000 @ 21:50 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  916. great roundup of perfect circle boundaries
    on closer examination the overwhelming majority of the hundreds of circle cities depicted by the atlas of georgia & referred to in message 899 have evaporated
    Nov 18, 2000 @ 21:50 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  917. Re: New great border site
    Hello, the good thing about Holland and Belgium is that those countries are rather small, even for European standard. I m in Southern Holland Province, 20
    Nov 19, 2000 @ 08:17 - kahbeh@hotmail.com (kahbeh@...)
  918. BORDER SITE now available in english
    hello, what to do when the weather is bad and it s raining cats and dogs? Right: translate an entire internet site into English. So my border site of the
    Nov 19, 2000 @ 18:58 - kahbeh@hotmail.com (kahbeh@...)
  919. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BORDER SITE now available in english
    Bernd Link 15,16,17 are bad. Jesper ... From: To: Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 7:58 PM Subject:
    Nov 19, 2000 @ 19:28 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  920. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BORDER SITE now available in english
    Hi Bernd Where does the border run behind the boundary marker on this one? http://members.tripod.lycos.nl/grenze/grens04.JPG Jesper ... From:
    Nov 19, 2000 @ 19:46 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  921. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: New great border site
    ah so you must be somewhere around rotterdam excellent i just doubled back to your strange & wonderful site while trying to zero in further on your whereabouts
    Nov 19, 2000 @ 20:45 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  922. Boundary marker site
    http://abbott.ccm.emr.ca/ibc/ibcmarks.htm
    Nov 20, 2000 @ 21:54 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  923. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Digest Number 142
    hahahaha jesper you are such a kidder glad you are with us in north america now max
    Nov 21, 2000 @ 17:14 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  924. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Digest Number 142
    Hi max I don t see the joke. Jesper ... From: michael donner To: Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 6:14 PM
    Nov 21, 2000 @ 19:48 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  925. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon's book
    This is really hard to say, but I actually underestimated Gideon. Gideon in his book actually mentions there is an enclave within Madha named Nahwa and I did
    Nov 22, 2000 @ 00:22 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  926. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Digest Number 142
    oh ok i only thought you were jesting because your ibc link had already appeared twice before in our egroups links section & i imagined you were also aware of
    Nov 22, 2000 @ 02:41 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  927. Jungholz maps
    I have 2 scans of my Jungholz maps available: 1:50 000 Austrian sheet 84 Jungholz dated 1988 (tho German info on it is 1993!) and 1:25 000 German sheet 8428
    Nov 23, 2000 @ 04:43 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  928. Re: binational quadripoints
    would much like to see your jungholz maps brendan if you would send them to j@discovernet.net thanx m & it was fun to retrace this thread did you learn
    Nov 23, 2000 @ 14:32 - moc.il@li.com (moc.il@...)
  929. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon's book
    fascinating so it is evidently not yet possible to say for sure which is the shortest international boundary in the world my vote or rather guess would be for
    Nov 23, 2000 @ 17:08 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  930. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon's book
    ... I get BoundaryPoint messages by email, there are never message numbers and I only keep a few, references to previous messages by number doesn t work
    Nov 23, 2000 @ 17:22 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  931. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon's book
    excellent anything for a giddy would this format work better for you http://www.egroups.com/message/boundarypoint/917 m
    Nov 23, 2000 @ 19:47 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  932. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Jungholz maps
    Hello Brendan I think we all would like to see these Jungholz-maps. Cannot you post them on a site? If you don t have a site to post on get one free. At
    Nov 23, 2000 @ 19:42 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  933. Geneve
    Just discovered Geneve is a great place for border freaks. The city is growing beyound the border to France which surrounds Geneve. And Geneve is only
    Nov 23, 2000 @ 19:48 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  934. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Geneve
    ... From: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@egroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 8:48 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Geneve Just discovered
    Nov 23, 2000 @ 19:52 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
  935. a fourth consecutive north american megapoint is likely
    the discovery earlier this year of a mexican quadristate point counterpart of the azconmut 4corners point of the united states & also of the new canadian
    Nov 23, 2000 @ 23:02 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  936. Jungholz: 1:50 000 Austrian
    Due to popular demand, here goes! 1:50 000 Austrian sheet 84 Jungholz dated 1988 Brendan
    Nov 24, 2000 @ 00:25 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
  937. Jungholz scans 1:50k & 1:25k
    Aha! Discovered how to convert them to jpg, and so they are small enough to send. Austrian 1:50k German 1:25k Brendan
    Nov 24, 2000 @ 01:11 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
  938. Sv: [BoundaryPoint] Jungholz scans 1:50k & 1:25k
    Dear Brendan, thanks for your Jungholz maps - what s wrong with mine...? It s been available for a couple of months now on:
    Nov 24, 2000 @ 09:55 - Peter & Marianne Hering ("Peter & Marianne Hering" <hering@...>)
  939. partition of lake nicaragua is still uncertain
    hopes of finding a second order quintipoint in lake nicaragua have been encouraged by the recent discovery that various islands in the lake are definitely
    Nov 26, 2000 @ 03:15 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  940. potential new quadripoint countries
    unconfirmed discoveries accidentally made while searching for megapoint lakes peruvian quadridepartmental point hulosauc huanuco loreto san martin ucayali
    Nov 26, 2000 @ 03:16 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  941. Re: New great border site
    Hello, and yes, correct: There are two towns in Germany with the same name Frankfurt: One is in central Germany called Frankfurt on the Maine river where all
    Nov 26, 2000 @ 08:24 - kahbeh@hotmail.com (kahbeh@...)
  942. Re: Geneve
    hello, the Swiss border is one of the most bizarre ones it goes back and forth and up and down and takes a bow here and there: In addition to Geneva check out
    Nov 26, 2000 @ 08:28 - kahbeh@hotmail.com (kahbeh@...)
  943. Re: BORDER SITE now available in english
    Hello, they were, I did not translate them in my marathon last weekend, I uploaded them this morning, the English version should work now, too. regards Bernd
    Nov 26, 2000 @ 08:31 - kahbeh@hotmail.com (kahbeh@...)
  944. Re: BORDER SITE now available in english
    Inside the little red brick house are black-white photos dispalyed showing a two metre high fence, where now the little round stones are, as the road has been
    Nov 26, 2000 @ 08:34 - kahbeh@hotmail.com (kahbeh@...)
  945. Countries within Italy
    Has anybody ever told you that there are two countries within Italy? Well, they are not telling the truth. No seriously - it is not the truth! Infact there are
    Nov 26, 2000 @ 20:24 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  946. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Countries within Italy
    You forgot the Sovereign Military order of Malta, at Via Condotti 68, Rome, which is recognised as sovereign in international law and diplomatically by over 70
    Nov 26, 2000 @ 22:29 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  947. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: New great border site
    thank you again bernd & please understand i was just making fun of our american lingo which does indeed often say dutch for deutsche congrats also on being
    Nov 28, 2000 @ 04:26 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  948. hopes for a quintisecondary point are waning
    http://www.bidsnet.com.ni/On_line_dir/Nic%20Deptos1.GIF confirms the departmental distribution of the islands in lake nicaragua as previously noticed &
    Nov 28, 2000 @ 05:11 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  949. Re: [BoundaryPoint] hopes for a quintisecondary point are waning
    ... No. each coastal nation will , as per international law, use negotiated equidistance lines out to sea from the extrewmity of their land boundaries, and
    Nov 28, 2000 @ 21:40 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  950. Re: [BoundaryPoint] hopes for a quintisecondary point are waning
    ... glad to have your reaction but again i wonder do you mean no they could not conceivably do so for i did just conceive of it on the other hand i would
    Nov 29, 2000 @ 02:58 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  951. Weird Estonian boundary, enclaves and multipoints.
    An interesting portion of the Estonia/Russia boundary taken from 1:50 000 Estonian maps. Anyone been there? Northern sheet 1979, southern 1990 [yes, I know the
    Nov 29, 2000 @ 03:05 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  952. Sv: [BoundaryPoint] Re: New great border site
    Dear Mike, thanks for your comments on the actual state of member visits to tripoints - you re right about things rather going slowly at this time - b u t : I
    Nov 29, 2000 @ 08:16 - Peter & Marianne Hering ("Peter & Marianne Hering" <hering@...>)
  953. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon's book
    hi jesper & thanx for your patience the short stories are ceuta & melilla borders date from mid 19th c treaties land boundaries are 8 & 10km respectively &
    Nov 29, 2000 @ 17:10 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  954. tri country point visits
    hey pete & thank you again too for i certainly am looking forward to the gcebe & am fully committed to it whether i attend personally or not as previously
    Nov 29, 2000 @ 19:21 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  955. Tripoints
    I was lend some great articles from Peter (you will get them back soon) written by our friend Rolf Palmberg (maybe we could translate and post, Rolf?). He
    Nov 29, 2000 @ 19:21 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  956. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoints
    great news you guys i wish i had known of this request when i was at the high school this morning looking at gideon duh but perhaps arif or david or brendan
    Nov 29, 2000 @ 20:58 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  957. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoints
    Mike Thanks for mailing!! Please give us some samples of Brownlie s. I am interested (who isn t ? Our wives?) in African tripoints that are definate and
    Nov 29, 2000 @ 20:54 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  958. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Weird Estonian boundary, enclaves and multipoints.
    Great maps there Brendan. I must admit it takes some concentration to look at borders around these new eastern states. It s like a crazy puzzle. Jesper ...
    Nov 29, 2000 @ 20:57 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  959. brownlie on tp algeria libya niger
    no evidence of a definitive tripoint monument but ordinary ground marking is perhaps impracticable in the prevailing conditions which may involve shifting
    Nov 29, 2000 @ 23:04 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  960. brownlie on tp algeria libya tunisia
    in several places brownlie says & gideon incidentally agrees the definitive tripoint marker is situated at boundary mark 220 of the 1911 franco turkish
    Nov 30, 2000 @ 03:26 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  961. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoints
    ... No problem. And thanks for your nice wordings. Rolf
    Nov 30, 2000 @ 07:34 - rpalmber@abo.fi (rpalmber@...)
  962. brownlie on tp algeria mauritania western sahara
    this one is especially problematic there are some indications that pillar 40 of the 1956 franco spanish boundary commission may serve as the definitive
    Dec 01, 2000 @ 21:23 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  963. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoints
    jesper & friends on tp belarus latvia lithuania gideon says it is 25km south of daugavpils latvia & 25km east of zarasai lithuania & also east of the vilnius
    Dec 01, 2000 @ 21:22 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  964. brownlie on tp algeria mali niger
    tripoint is not exactly fixed owing to a lack of demarcation of all 3 convergent boundaries & is a matter of some doubt tho it is marked on maps it was
    Dec 01, 2000 @ 21:22 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  965. brownlie on tp algeria mali mauritania
    there was evidently no definitive tripoint marker as of 1979 nor were any of the 3 convergent boundaries demarcated but the tripoint is indicated clearly on
    Dec 01, 2000 @ 21:22 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  966. brownlie on tp algeria morocco western sahara
    this one is problematic too there are some clues that pillar 41 of the 1956 franco spanish boundary commission may serve as the definitive tripoint marker but
    Dec 01, 2000 @ 21:23 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  967. brownlie on tp angola congo congo democratic republic
    this is the cabinda exclave tripoint it lies at a natural line intersection where the chiloango river thalweg runs past the ridge of heights that mark the
    Dec 01, 2000 @ 21:23 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  968. brownlie on tp angola congo democratic republic zambia
    incredibly the tripoint position is left in some doubt despite the fact that all 3 of the convergent boundaries are demarcated & despite the additional fact
    Dec 01, 2000 @ 21:23 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  969. Llivia
    Great to find border freaks online Maybe someone is interested in the link http://www.llivia.com Jesper
    Dec 01, 2000 @ 21:17 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  970. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon's book
    A few things to answer both Mike and Jesper - First of all, the nearest place where I have seen the Gideon book is a library four blocks away. It s only
    Dec 02, 2000 @ 00:05 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  971. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon's book
    many beauties here arif ... happily i was able to borrow the hi school copy again til wednesday so fire away til then anyone ... this is fantastic how long do
    Dec 02, 2000 @ 16:47 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  972. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Llivia
    ... great freakin language they have there too & nice map right down to the tennis courts it even looks like there may be a second order exclave in the gray
    Dec 02, 2000 @ 16:48 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  973. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Weird Estonian boundary, enclaves and multipoints.
    something dreamlike about all those russky maps like one might expect to find only sand castles or fictional characters there maybe better in the imagination
    Dec 02, 2000 @ 16:48 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  974. brownlie on tp angola namibia zambia
    definitive tripoint since 1964 is marked by a 1931 provisional beacon designated either as number 9 in the westward series demarcating the namibia zambia
    Dec 02, 2000 @ 16:49 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  975. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Llivia
    ... The little picture on http://www.llivia.com/access.htm seems to confirm my recollection from my visit to Llivia, that there is quite a bit of farmland
    Dec 02, 2000 @ 18:38 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  976. up-date language border site
    Goodmorning, can inform everyone that the December-update just took place on the Strange border site Section 11 - Essen and surroundings are now-online
    Dec 03, 2000 @ 07:54 - kahbeh@hotmail.com (kahbeh@...)
  977. African tripoints
    Mike Thanks for the hard work on the African tripoints. I have decided that since you work so hard and quick I will post your notes on
    Dec 03, 2000 @ 18:26 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  978. Re: [BoundaryPoint] African tripoints
    awesome as usual jesper & for me it was only hard & quick play very grateful m ps south africa is coming soon
    Dec 03, 2000 @ 21:20 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  979. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Llivia
    you must be right david it was just too fantastical anyway & mapquest & multimap also tend to confirm your view glad to know you have really been there too m
    Dec 03, 2000 @ 21:21 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  980. Re: [BoundaryPoint] up-date language border site
    beauteous bernd & wonderful that you are multi strange now too at first we had a slight strangeness ourselves here but our original one seems to have gotten
    Dec 03, 2000 @ 21:21 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  981. THE ULTIMATE BOUNDARY QUIZ OF THE MILLENNIUM
    highest salutes to brendan & martin for these multi quantum leaps into frivolity wishing i had a clue m
    Dec 03, 2000 @ 21:22 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  982. chad presidential election pregnant
    president of this developing country is elected by direct popular vote to serve 5 year terms if no candidate receives at least half the total vote the 2
    Dec 03, 2000 @ 21:22 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  983. benin burkina faso niger
    tripoint was not precisely fixed as of 1979 but is situated in the mekrou river at about n lat 11d 54m 15s & e long 2d 25m 10s it was formerly a vague french
    Dec 03, 2000 @ 21:23 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  984. botswana namibia south africa
    tripoint is where left bank of nossob river crosses e long 20d exactly as demarcated between 1898 & 1903 by anglo german commission & is at about s lat 24d 40m
    Dec 03, 2000 @ 21:24 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  985. benin burkina faso togo
    tripoint is probably unmarked on the ground tho it lies at a junction of 3 straight line boundaries at point 109 of the 1912 franco german delimitation in n
    Dec 03, 2000 @ 21:23 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  986. benin niger nigeria
    tripoint is fixed on median line of river niger per 1906 anglo french agreement about 3km north of a cairn at the madekale tuandi lolo road junction at that
    Dec 03, 2000 @ 21:23 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  987. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Llivia
    David is correct. The location maps show the enclave to be a crescent shape, with the town at one end, and the castle on the hill above the town. There are no
    Dec 03, 2000 @ 23:01 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  988. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Llivia
    I have been to Baarle, Llivia, Gibraltar, Andorra, Point Roberts, San Marino, seen Asia from a US village, Africa from Europe-- but I have never been to an
    Dec 03, 2000 @ 23:06 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  989. Llivia and Jervis Bay
    The following (hopefully attached!) scans are from: Puigcerda,sheet 217, 1:50 000, Spain (I can t read the publishers info, but the only date given is 1949,
    Dec 04, 2000 @ 01:04 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
  990. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Llivia and Jervis Bay
    cool maps & adventures brendan & congrats to you & us all on message 1000 you must be our millennium specialist anyway does this map mean to indicate
    Dec 05, 2000 @ 02:25 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  991. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Llivia
    wow so does this mean you saw continental russia from little diomede that is extremely cool if so hats off & earmuffs too africa from europe gibraltar well ok
    Dec 05, 2000 @ 02:25 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  992. botswana namibia zambia
    the following analysis is actually a slight simplification of brownlie since there is much too much detail to repeat it is unresolved whether the easternmost
    Dec 05, 2000 @ 02:26 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  993. botswana south africa zimbabwe
    tripoint situated at confluence of rivers shashi & limpopo but there is no agreement on its precise location by my very rough guess s lat 22d 30m e long 29d
    Dec 05, 2000 @ 02:26 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  994. botswana zambia zimbabwe & maybe namibia
    the basic tripoint is fixed at the thalweg junction of the chobe & zambezi rivers & it also represents both the westernmost point of zimbabwe & the
    Dec 05, 2000 @ 02:26 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  995. burkina faso ghana ivory coast
    tripoint on thalweg of black volta at approx n lat 9d 29m 30s & very approx w long 2d 40m no witness mark map evidence only
    Dec 05, 2000 @ 02:26 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  996. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Llivia and Jervis Bay
    Oz tripoints are all wqell demarcated, and are sources of tourism for $WDers, as three are in the middle of nowhere. One is the site of a pub: The Corner
    Dec 05, 2000 @ 02:36 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  997. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Llivia and Jervis Bay
    Oz tripoints are all well demarcated, and are sources of tourism for 4WDers, as three are in the middle of nowhere. One is the site of a pub: The Corner
    Dec 05, 2000 @ 02:37 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  998. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Llivia
    ... Actually, from the little town of Gambell, Alaska, at the western end of Saint Lawrence Island, looking across to the snowy mountains of the Chukotsky
    Dec 05, 2000 @ 04:05 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  999. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Llivia
    I am also a tripoint virgin, but I also want to boast!! I have been to the southern most point of Africa. This is the non-political tripoint where Africa
    Dec 05, 2000 @ 19:52 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1000. Gideon
    Hi Mike Thanks for the letter - I got it yesterday. It was awesome to get a taste of Gideon. I tried to get the University Library in Aalborg to lend it out to
    Dec 05, 2000 @ 19:58 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1001. Re: extreme points
    I totally agree with you. Greenland is NOT Europe! North Cape is NOT mainland Europe. Jesper ... From: David Mark To: Jesper &
    Dec 05, 2000 @ 21:32 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1002. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: extreme points
    I and had one foot on each side of the GMT time. I have never forgiven the map makers for making the GMT+Equator a wet point. I told myself at Cape Agulhas: of
    Dec 05, 2000 @ 21:36 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1003. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Llivia
    On the maps I would like to add that I find http://maps.expedia.com much better than Mapquest. Mapquest make very wide borders and it can be hard to see what s
    Dec 06, 2000 @ 19:56 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1004. Jervis Bay
    Arif points out that Beecroft Pen doesn t show up as Jervis Bat Terr on some maps. This is certianly true of the new Wollongong Special 1:250 000 topo
    Dec 07, 2000 @ 00:35 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
  1005. Jervis Bay maps and Oz borders
    For info on Austrlaia s state borders, see: however, the 32km length of the JBT seems strange... http://www.auslig.gov.au/facts/borders.htm Maps of Jervis bay
    Dec 07, 2000 @ 00:58 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1006. continental extremities we have seen
    thanxx to all for boasting so what were you waiting for now anybody please help fill in &or correct this first world news try africa n cap blanc
    Dec 07, 2000 @ 04:12 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1007. burkina faso ghana togo
    the tripoint is defined as pillar 148 of the 1930 anglo french demarcation & is situated on the river kulutamsi at approx n lat 11d 08m 13s w long 0d 08m 09s
    Dec 07, 2000 @ 04:13 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1008. burkina faso ivory coast mali
    tripoint is at confluence of rivers bani & leraba but whether at thalweg or median line junction is in doubt as there is no documentation or agreement but only
    Dec 07, 2000 @ 04:13 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1009. burkina faso mali niger
    tripoint not fixed with certainty tho it is indicated hypothetically & approximately on various maps at about n lat 14d 59m 30s e long 0d 13m 30s
    Dec 07, 2000 @ 04:14 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1010. burundi congo democratic republic rwanda
    tripoint expressly fixed by 1949 ordonnance at confluence of rivers luhwa & rusizi presumed by u s state dept to be at thalweg junction very roughly s lat 2d
    Dec 07, 2000 @ 04:14 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1011. burundi congo democratic republic tanzania
    on median line of lake tanganyika which however has not been determined precisely at approx s lat 4d 27m & very roughly e long 29d 30m
    Dec 07, 2000 @ 04:14 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1012. burundi rwanda tanzania
    tripoint at thalweg junction of rivers mwibu & kagera very roughly s lat 2d 30m e long 30d 30m
    Dec 07, 2000 @ 04:14 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1013. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon
    jesper you are most welcome any time happily the new absentee ballots are coming from martin county tonite i should say martin & palm beach are the ma & pa of
    Dec 07, 2000 @ 04:34 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1014. Re: [BoundaryPoint] continental extremities we have seen
    Byron Bay is easy: you park and walk a few hundred metres. Been there. Cape York is drivable, but you need a good car and lots of insurance! Wilson s Prom is a
    Dec 07, 2000 @ 22:10 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1015. antipodes day
    june 7 unbirthday greetings to us all & a special serenade to founding father bill upon the attainment of our first boundarypoint calendrical antipodes
    Dec 08, 2000 @ 03:59 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1016. Sv: [BoundaryPoint] continental extremities we have seen
    Good morning everybody, and thankx mike for your effort on this matter... that s quite interesting: contin. extremities...yeah! I ve been to the following
    Dec 08, 2000 @ 08:04 - Peter & Marianne Hering ("Peter & Marianne Hering" <hering@...>)
  1017. Re: FW: Important eGroups Moderator News
    bill this is so awesome i trust you meant all us yahoos of the all parties party & hope yahoos wide array of web functionality will include a webcam torch to
    Dec 08, 2000 @ 15:49 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1018. Re: [BoundaryPoint] continental extremities we have seen
    yeay pete yeay brendan at least 4 cheers apiece & see below ... this is very interesting & reminds me of how key west proclaims itself americas island paradise
    Dec 08, 2000 @ 16:19 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1019. Center of Europe
    Anyone else want to have a go on where the center of Europe is? Jesper
    Dec 08, 2000 @ 17:52 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1020. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Center of Europe
    As far as I know, the midpoint of the rectangle drawn with the four extreme meridians is generally considered the center of a certain place. It should be what
    Dec 08, 2000 @ 22:30 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  1021. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Center of Europe
    Mike s method only works for rectangles. If we want the centroid of the land area of Europe, we need to divide the continent into small, regularly-shaped
    Dec 08, 2000 @ 23:36 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  1022. Re: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] continental extremities we have seen
    ... never been to Asia at all ... road, no hike to the tip.) ... tip of the point because it is a military fort; Peter, did you get to the south side of the
    Dec 09, 2000 @ 00:23 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  1023. RE: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] continental extremities we have seen
    I ve just realized that I need to get out more! ... From: David Mark [mailto:dmark@geog.buffalo.edu] Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 7:24 PM To:
    Dec 09, 2000 @ 00:53 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  1024. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Center of Europe
    That s fine for small areas, or near the equator, but positively biased for continental masses, especially those near the poles, as latitude diminishes as you
    Dec 09, 2000 @ 01:25 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1025. Re: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] continental extremities we have seen
    ok david i withdraw my nomination of you from cape dezhnev & cape prince of wales as it was only my wishful thinking that you might have glimpsed them from
    Dec 09, 2000 @ 05:19 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1026. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Center of Europe
    right this must be how to do it so do you know what the correct answer would be by this method or rather can you at least venture a wild guess at it as i
    Dec 09, 2000 @ 05:21 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1027. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Center of Europe
    right of course but i still intuit or imagine minsk is about right or maybe it is pinsk i was figuring the eurasian divide runs thru the dardanelles etc to
    Dec 09, 2000 @ 06:05 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1028. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Center of Europe
    The www.auslig.gov.au site has a page of facts on Austrlaia s geography (which i posted last week with regards to state borders), including 5 different methods
    Dec 09, 2000 @ 01:18 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1029. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Center of Europe
    Rolf Palmberg has a very good article (among others) on the Center of Europe , which I want to translate for you. Unfortunately the copy I took at work I
    Dec 09, 2000 @ 08:42 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1030. Israel maps
    Israel maps can be seen at http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/search.asp?results-1 Jesper
    Dec 09, 2000 @ 10:07 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1031. Sv: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] continental extremities we have seen
    No, frankly, David I didn t - or couldn t (?) Anyway, I enjoyed the view over to Africa!! Shall scan a picture soon !! Btw: I was wrong about the southernmost
    Dec 09, 2000 @ 10:27 - Peter & Marianne Hering ("Peter & Marianne Hering" <hering@...>)
  1032. Re: Sv: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] continental extremities we have seen
    amigo i am so glad you said this & we do get credit for everything heaven is just like that m bridges & tunnels must have equal rights too
    Dec 09, 2000 @ 16:49 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1033. intl tripts etc
    david was saying recently about binational tripoints ... true which is why i would reserve international to mean only binational tho i realize international
    Dec 09, 2000 @ 16:51 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1034. RE: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] continental extremities we have seen
    ... good one bill we will be down to get you in a taxi baby m
    Dec 09, 2000 @ 19:03 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1035. RE: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] continental extremities we have seen
    That ll be good Mike...I ve got cabin fever...and I can t count anymore! ... From: michael donner [mailto:m@discovernet.net] Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2000
    Dec 09, 2000 @ 21:40 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  1036. Geographic centers
    The discussion re how to find the center of an area reminded me of the attached article from the Lyons, KS paper which somebody sent to me a long time ago.
    Dec 10, 2000 @ 04:46 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@gisco.net>)
  1037. Attachment to message 1047
    Sorry, I got it upside down! Jack
    Dec 10, 2000 @ 04:54 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
  1038. extreme points - pix - have a nice Sunday!!!
    Holà amigos de las fronteras - listening to Christmal carols and thinking of my boundary mates I decided to scan a few pix - 2 from Europe s westernmost point
    Dec 10, 2000 @ 13:20 - Peter & Marianne Hering ("Peter & Marianne Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
  1039. Africa - here we come...
    Here s the promised pic from Tarifa - enjoy Pete
    Dec 10, 2000 @ 13:21 - Peter & Marianne Hering ("Peter & Marianne Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
  1040. Sv: Sv: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] continental extremities we have seen
    Thankx Mike, you ve just turned an ordinary Sunday into a day of joy and glory!!! Enjoy the pix from Europe s ex-points.. Pete ... From: michael donner
    Dec 10, 2000 @ 14:00 - Peter & Marianne Hering ("Peter & Marianne Hering" <hering@...>)
  1041. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Attachment to message 1047
    are you kiddin jack the day eureka lost it the world was upside down we must be at cause here m
    Dec 10, 2000 @ 16:12 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1042. but couldnt the world already be upside down
    seriously does anyone know if western civ had arisen in the south rather than the north wouldnt our maps now be upside down & wouldnt all compasses point south
    Dec 10, 2000 @ 18:15 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1043. Re: [BoundaryPoint] but couldnt the world already be upside down
    I would like to make a point on maps, too. As we know a flat map gives problems (like finding a center). But most maps are are also centered on Europe, meaning
    Dec 10, 2000 @ 18:32 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1044. sovereign news cycle tour
    just heard the latest analysis on cnn a bush lieberman by default administration is now a growing probability of course i predicted this months ago but then
    Dec 10, 2000 @ 21:02 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1045. Re: [BoundaryPoint] but couldnt the world already be upside down
    The basic deep cultural tradition of western civilization placed east at the top of the map, which is the natural *ORIENTATION* when one faces the rising
    Dec 10, 2000 @ 22:22 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  1046. would you believe geographical center of the world
    http://www.mars-news.de/pyramiden sheds light beauty & links on geographical centers including yesss a new candidate for global maxipoint iskenderun turkey n
    Dec 11, 2000 @ 15:49 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1047. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Geographic centers
    dear jack this one really is from oz & i dont mean down under i have been trying to read & think about it for days how could the geographic center keep
    Dec 12, 2000 @ 15:31 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1048. Border pictues
    A travellers border pictures found at http://www.geocities.com/deancassady_2000/bordershtmlv2.html Whether it interest you or not is up to you. Jesper
    Dec 12, 2000 @ 19:46 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1049. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border pictues
    thanx jesper tho i had no choice about being interested since this was the same route i thumbed & same taste i had on my own all american mystical majesty
    Dec 13, 2000 @ 18:13 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1050. brownlie on african tripoints grand finale
    to complete the set of 59 african tripoints the 36 additions to the 23 individually posted between messages 970 & 1023 & assembled thanx again to jesper at
    Dec 13, 2000 @ 18:36 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1051. Re: [BoundaryPoint] brownlie on african tripoints grand finale
    All African tripoints have now been added to http://www.image.dk/~jesniel/border/african_tripoints.htm If you have comments or additions, they are offcourse
    Dec 13, 2000 @ 21:05 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1052. Re: [BoundaryPoint] brownlie on african tripoints grand finale
    ... yes wonderful these 59 africans alone make up 37 percent of the world total of 160 continental tricountry points so we are already well on our way to
    Dec 14, 2000 @ 07:21 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1053. aussie maritime interstate boundary
    hey arif congrats on getting your man in the white house & it sure was a great election night while it lasted i confess i was still hoping for a bush
    Dec 14, 2000 @ 17:48 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1054. exclavic tripoints & bicontinental countries etc
    our recent imaginary visit to the cabinda tricountry point has pointed up the existence of a whole distinguished fraternity of these angola congo congo
    Dec 14, 2000 @ 18:53 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1055. Peter Hering's Border Pictures
    Dear Fellow members On behalf of Peter Hering I am very proud to announce that his Border Pictures site is now completed (well hopefully it will never be) and
    Dec 14, 2000 @ 21:41 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1056. Re: Peter Hering's Border Pictures
    A superb site..congratulations to both of you! I really enjoy this site. Bill
    Dec 15, 2000 @ 05:43 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  1057. As nutty as you guys...
    Here is another group of geographically inspired people who do things as nutty as the people on this group. http://www.confluence.org/ lurker, surveyor jerry
    Dec 15, 2000 @ 16:04 - jwahl@qubicle.com (jwahl@...)
  1058. Re: [BoundaryPoint] As nutty as you guys...
    This is actual interesting, but I my opinion not so fantastic as tripoints. At tripoints things really happen: change of language, time, car registration
    Dec 15, 2000 @ 16:21 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1059. My border pictures
    Being jalous at Peter posting his great photos I decided that I wanted one of my own. Thanks to Peter for scanning my poor collection of border and extreme
    Dec 15, 2000 @ 19:54 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1060. Ghana-Burkina Faso
    Here is a mention of a Ghana-Burkina Faso boundary marker - I have no clue why he took no photos!! http://www.confluence.org/gh/all/n11w001/index.html Jesper
    Dec 15, 2000 @ 20:35 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1061. Re: [BoundaryPoint] As nutty as you guys...
    hey jerry good to hear from you & i agree these guys are inspired & inspiring but not nearly so nutty as us wish they would reserve the term confluence for
    Dec 15, 2000 @ 21:29 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1062. Re: [BoundaryPoint] aussie maritime interstate boundary
    Just because I supported Bush did not mean I did not actually hoped for a Bush-Lieberman presidency. That would have rocked. Still, I am happy that the
    Dec 15, 2000 @ 22:17 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  1063. Re: [BoundaryPoint] aussie maritime interstate boundary etc
    well look at the bright side at least nothing is going to happen for 4 more years we have far too many laws already anyway & maybe when they find they cant add
    Dec 16, 2000 @ 04:31 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1064. last update of the century
    Hello, getting tired of me advertising for my border site? Well, there has just been the last update for the old millenium and you can t afford to miss this:
    Dec 16, 2000 @ 07:56 - kahbeh@hotmail.com (kahbeh@...)
  1065. Fwd: last update of the century
    oh ja, I forgot the URL: For those who didn t save it: http://members.tripodnet.nl/grenze regards BK ... Hello, getting tired of me advertising for my border
    Dec 16, 2000 @ 08:01 - kahbeh@hotmail.com (kahbeh@...)
  1066. multithanxxx
    much enjoyed the several recent eye feasts by bernd & jesper & peter & thank you all again for the thoughts & the ease of visiting too m was particularly
    Dec 16, 2000 @ 19:23 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1067. Sudan border
    Arif is mentioning the odd facts about Sudan s borders with Egypt and Kenya on http://members.aol.com/marismits/WeirdGeo.htm, that there is an administrative
    Dec 17, 2000 @ 09:18 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1068. ozzy tripoints
    the australian border & zoomable site mentioned by arif http://www.auslig.gov.au/facts/borders.htm# is multi rewarding & makes it clear there are no official
    Dec 17, 2000 @ 18:21 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1069. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Sudan border
    ... brownlie 1979 agrees with arif & gives particulars about tribal raids & customary grazing lands etc & actually indicates more than just 2 certain versions
    Dec 17, 2000 @ 20:29 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1070. geographic centers & ozzy tripoints cont
    an interesting jump page http://www.auslig.gov.au/facts/centre.htm at the site mentioned by brendan & arif gives 5 different methods for determining geographic
    Dec 18, 2000 @ 21:56 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1071. Re: [BoundaryPoint] geographic centers & ozzy tripoints cont
    ... This was my understanding, that it says :this is the harbour for ACT and is outside NSW control. Note that the land boundary is defined as the
    Dec 18, 2000 @ 22:36 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1072. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ozzy tripoints cont
    beautifully done mate this is looking like breakthrough country now more comments & questions mixed in below m ... understood that the harbor & indeed
    Dec 19, 2000 @ 06:18 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1073. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ozzy tripoints cont
    There are a couple of books to check: Prescotts Maritmie boundaries of Australia and an earlier title (late 60s) on Queensland and NSW maritime boundaries.
    Dec 19, 2000 @ 07:32 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1074. Re: tripoints
    dear rolf major congrats & thanx both for trying & indeed for finding this the lost tripoint of central asia aka chkzrs cnkzru your discovery raises the asian
    Dec 19, 2000 @ 18:05 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1075. worldwide inventory of tri country points in progress
    gratefully dedicated to rolf here is a second careful try at rounding up all the continental tri country points in the world succeeding message 597 the main
    Dec 19, 2000 @ 18:10 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1076. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ozzy tripoints cont
    ... thanx ordered & awaiting delivery btw can you suggest any other regional land boundary bibles that might compare with brownlie and an earlier title (late
    Dec 19, 2000 @ 19:26 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1077. Point Roberts
    Here is a real delicious one http://www.pointrobertsusa.com/ Jesper
    Dec 19, 2000 @ 21:17 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1078. Border post
    Dear fellow border friends I have posted something about borders on about.com and got some responses. Some nices ones too.
    Dec 19, 2000 @ 21:19 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1079. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ozzy tripoints
    I want to mention quite a few mostly separate things. First of all, quite a few countries in the world probably have all territorial waters belonging to a
    Dec 19, 2000 @ 23:25 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  1080. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ozzy tripoints cont
    ... Prescotts Map of mianland Asia by Treaty and his Frontiers of Asia and Southeast Asia , both Melbourne University Press, mid 1970s. The former has the
    Dec 19, 2000 @ 23:31 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1081. cool runnings was Re: [BoundaryPoint] ozzy tripoints
    arif observed ... nice shootin podnuh & quite a treat after that llivia fiasco looks just like some local indian art too ... at first i didnt see what you
    Dec 20, 2000 @ 05:32 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1082. national maritime territory was Re: [BoundaryPoint] ozzy tripoints
    arif mentioned ... right most all i would guess & have found 4 different standards so far united states individual states extend outward from coast 3 nautical
    Dec 20, 2000 @ 05:33 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1083. regional bibles was Re: [BoundaryPoint] ozzy tripoints cont
    much obliged again brendan these will power us a long way toward our goal of worldwide coverage m ... hahaha i appreciate this ... hahaha i trust you are
    Dec 20, 2000 @ 05:34 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1084. worldwide census of secondary multipoints
    add a country or a category if you like &or improve however possible m types of point composition megapoints homogeneous inclusive amphibious
    Dec 20, 2000 @ 05:34 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1085. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Point Roberts
    Did you notice the gas prices are in both currencies, but the unit of measure is the Litre. I dare say that Point Roberts, WA is the only location in all of
    Dec 21, 2000 @ 03:09 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug_murray@...>)
  1086. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Point Roberts
    hey doug cool while right across the line from st regis quebec which is the exact opposite of the pt roberts situation you may not get a liter in hogansburg
    Dec 21, 2000 @ 04:56 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1087. is the magnetic north pole painting itself into a corner
    when the magnetic north pole was reached for the first time in 1831 its geoposition was found to be about n lat 70 & w long 97 during the balance of the 19th
    Dec 21, 2000 @ 04:58 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1088. yikes true north pole shifts position too
    no one is surprised any more when the magnetic north pole jumps around the canadian arctic but i just saw some new data on tv which seem to indicate that the
    Dec 21, 2000 @ 05:00 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1089. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Point Roberts
    We still get good old fashioned mileage. Canada is a mix of the best of both systems. Human height in feet. Human weight in pounds. Distance in km. Weather
    Dec 21, 2000 @ 05:00 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug_murray@...>)
  1090. Cross border golf
    http://www.helsinki-hs.net/thisweek/44111999.html Jesper
    Dec 21, 2000 @ 07:28 - Jesper & NIcolette Nielsen ("Jesper & NIcolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1091. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cross border golf
    The border there is also a time zone boundary, so the Lonely Planet guide pointed out a whole where, just before midnight in mid summer you can tee off and hit
    Dec 21, 2000 @ 14:59 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  1092. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cross border golf
    well these are diffrent strokes you can even hit a single straight shot from today thru tomorrow & back into today if the stroke of midnight falls between the
    Dec 21, 2000 @ 18:58 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1093. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Cross border golf
    there are two other such golf courses one borders maine and new brunswick http://www.intellis.net/avcc/ the other borders north dakota and manitoba. i believe
    Dec 21, 2000 @ 19:17 - Beckett, Bob ("Beckett, Bob" <Bob.Beckett@...>)
  1094. Peter Hering sent you a Yahoo! Greeting
    Surprise! You ve just received a Yahoo! Greeting from Peter Hering (hering@mail.tele.dk)! To view this greeting card, click on the following Web address at
    Dec 21, 2000 @ 17:40 - hering@mail.tele.dk (hering@...)
  1095. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cross border golf
    Here is a map of the bordertowns Haparanda, SE and Tornio, FI where the golf course is. http://www.haparanda.se/maps/charts/Haparanda_Torne%E5_B.jpg
    Dec 21, 2000 @ 19:50 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1096. Cross border golf
    Here is a map of the bordertowns Haparanda, SE and Tornio, FI where the golf course is. http://www.haparanda.se/maps/charts/Haparanda_Torne%E5_B.jpg Notice how
    Dec 21, 2000 @ 19:51 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1097. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cross border golf
    Admid it was dissapointed - there is no peninsula, but an island. Close up map: http://www.haparanda.se/maps/charts/Green_Zoone_B.jpg Jesper
    Dec 21, 2000 @ 19:55 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1098. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Cross border golf
    nice wedge bob & glad you dropped in with it so including jespers latest 3 holes in 1 & i know peter has carded a beauty now too our party must already be
    Dec 21, 2000 @ 21:21 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1099. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Cross border golf
    well maybe i just got carried away again & 9 holes of international solstitial time traveling polystate boomerang golf may actually have been plenty for one
    Dec 22, 2000 @ 03:30 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1100. florida star breaking news again
    our imminent inaugural visit & commemorative buoy drop at the 5 point star junction of okeechobee with palm beach & martin counties etc of recent electoral
    Dec 23, 2000 @ 03:25 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1101. RE: [BoundaryPoint] florida star breaking news again
    Mike, this is indeed good news...and impressive! Certainly, it will be a good old buoy for Lake Okeechobee! (Thanks again, Kate!) Bill
    Dec 23, 2000 @ 06:49 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  1102. Festivus Greetings
    My apologies if this is the second time you ve received this... it just means 2 Christmas wishes instead of one! Have a great Christmas (or whatever you
    Dec 23, 2000 @ 18:14 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug_murray@...>)
  1103. Re: [BoundaryPoint] florida star breaking news again
    Ok, since when is Great Salt Lake and Lake Iliamna not greater than lake Okeechobee? And if you are counting interesting boundarywise, then lake Okeechobee
    Dec 24, 2000 @ 04:14 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  1104. Re: [BoundaryPoint] florida star breaking news again
    hahaha & thanx we can use all the luck we can get great salt has always been great & is actually more than twice as great as okeechobee so perhaps i can squirm
    Dec 24, 2000 @ 07:47 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1105. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Festivus Greetings
    thanx man glad for the extra company too i think everyone else must be out of town actually i was going to try to wake you up at 7 tomorrow just to find out
    Dec 25, 2000 @ 06:06 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1106. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Festivus Greetings
    8:33am, Christmas morning. I am gazing out the kitchen window in a southerly direction. A BC Ferry cuts across Howe Sound. Rain is falling, heavily. It is
    Dec 25, 2000 @ 16:39 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug_murray@...>)
  1107. partial eclipse diary cont
    good one doug will try to keep it up 1100am have been trying to watch the show supposedly start in montreal on cnn thru a hole in my paper plate but without
    Dec 25, 2000 @ 17:22 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1108. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Festivus Greetings
    Oh yeah, I m on Gambier Island... off the British Columbia coast... just north of Bowen Island, NW of Vancouver. Not a tri-point in sight! ... From: Doug
    Dec 25, 2000 @ 17:39 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug_murray@...>)
  1109. Re: [BoundaryPoint] partial eclipse diary cont
    And here is a video capture from Vancouver -- looking west. At eclipse time. ... From: michael donner To: boundarypoint@egroups.com Sent: Monday, December 25,
    Dec 25, 2000 @ 17:42 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug_murray@...>)
  1110. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Festivus Greetings
    excellent absence makes the mental pointing fonder & stronger can see you on my map now so how does the howe sound bc ferry sound in the rain it is bright
    Dec 25, 2000 @ 19:10 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1111. Tripoints - personal account Peter Hering
    Hello everybody, in order to reach a conclusion on the group s conquest of int l tripoints - requested by Mike - here s my personal record: Tp s visited in
    Dec 26, 2000 @ 18:35 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  1112. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoints - personal account Peter Hering
    pedro mi piedra i wash your feet again for these baby & sometimes the minds eye is better than the camera anyway with no personal holdings of any kind in asia
    Dec 27, 2000 @ 02:45 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1113. tri country points actually or virtually visited by us
    this update of the list is to honor & include the 3 most recent reports by peter & also incorporates a few other improvements since the previous update in
    Dec 28, 2000 @ 05:30 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1114. RE: [BoundaryPoint] florida star breaking news again
    ... hey bill & arif too it keeps getting better first of all i just learned iliamna actually means great lake or great ice oops so maybe i can slide out of
    Dec 29, 2000 @ 04:10 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1115. Geographic anomalies
    Colleagues, Please be advised that this message is fairly long. If I voilate some list-etiquette because of this, please let me know and it won t be repeated.
    Dec 29, 2000 @ 18:53 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
  1116. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Geographic anomalies
    welcome mats we are the geographic anomalies & glad you are enjoying & could join us i think our resident enclavologist brendan may be out of town because he
    Dec 29, 2000 @ 21:59 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1117. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Geographic anomalies
    No, I am not away, but because of Ramadan, when prayer time just increases a little, I had less time to research and provide input. Also, visitation of
    Dec 30, 2000 @ 00:57 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  1118. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Geographic anomalies
    excellent arif grateful for any time with you & thanx for promoting onlist responses too as i believe we are all interested in these also glad to see you are
    Dec 30, 2000 @ 04:04 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1119. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Geographic anomalies
    Very good answers Arif. Glad to listen to an expert, and not just the crackers like the rest of us. ... I am currenly working on a Boundary Club site in
    Dec 30, 2000 @ 09:41 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1120. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Geographic anomalies
    Here is a map of Gibraltar with the Neutral Zone http://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/vandiest/images/Gibraltar.jpg Jesper
    Dec 30, 2000 @ 09:43 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1121. Indian enclaves
    Arif, Please tell on where to look for the enclaves in India. I found a topomap-site for the country. http://www.mapsofindia.com Jesper
    Dec 30, 2000 @ 13:43 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1122. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Geographic anomalies
    Colleagues, Thank you for the warm welcome to your community. What oceans of exptertise y all expose! Arif, I have some questions for you. If you can find any
    Dec 30, 2000 @ 16:07 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
  1123. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Geographic anomalies
    arif & mats earlier ... yes this is a little strange perhaps a new wrinkle since my 1997 info which left me pretty sure it was a full department as it was also
    Dec 30, 2000 @ 18:03 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1124. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Indian enclaves
    Jesper - The maps of India site does not show the enclaves, but as an approximate area, go to the district map of West Bengal, find Cooch Behar. It is near
    Dec 30, 2000 @ 18:34 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  1125. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Indian enclaves
    thanx yes i agree about france in the second case & in the first what are those little enclaves they do show just there at koch bihar of both types i think i
    Dec 30, 2000 @ 19:37 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1126. st pierre fully pedigreed as ghost wannabee enclave
    columbia encyclopedia indicates st pierre & miq was a full overseas department of the french republic til eec required its reclassification to territorial
    Dec 30, 2000 @ 20:34 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1127. Re: Baarle, was: Geographic anomalies
    ... My Dutch, Flemisch or whatever it is, is not so good, but this is what the Baarle tourist brochure says. Maybe Bernd can help us out. Midden in
    Dec 30, 2000 @ 21:15 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1128. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Baarle, was: Geographic anomalies
    ... This is all correct, as far as I know. But the Dutch exclave I was referring to earlier is situated within *mainland* Belgium. Please give me some time to
    Dec 30, 2000 @ 21:30 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
  1129. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Baarle, was: Geographic anomalies
    Hello Mats There is a small Dutch enclave (a field) just S of the border, just a little NW of Ginhoven. Well Mats - I would be pleased to tell you that you are
    Dec 30, 2000 @ 21:39 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1130. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Geographic anomalies
    Maybe I have a radical position here, but I have never understood at all why this group seems to have such a fetish about land. To be, and exclave or enclave
    Dec 30, 2000 @ 21:52 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  1131. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Baarle, was: Geographic anomalies
    ... i am living in the only state of the usa with real ghost exclaves & both were bigger than what remains of it today m
    Dec 30, 2000 @ 22:40 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1132. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Geographic anomalies
    i like your position david it is actually most inclusive & reasonable as well as elegantly simple but maybe i am prejudiced in your favor since my fetish has
    Dec 30, 2000 @ 22:40 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1133. Historic geographic anomalies
    Colleagues, There are some scanned maps at http://www.geocities.com/exclaves (But there is nothing else there, I m afraid. No time to create a site...) Please
    Dec 30, 2000 @ 22:42 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
  1134. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Historic geographic anomalies
    raves & thanx mats for this phantasmagorical tour de force m
    Dec 31, 2000 @ 01:07 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1135. Ghost exclave?
    ... What is a ghost exclave, and which state would that be, please? Mats
    Dec 31, 2000 @ 02:39 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
  1136. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Ghost exclave?
    oops glad you asked ghost is basically just a short way of saying historic or no longer extant but i like to say it also because it brings things back to life
    Dec 31, 2000 @ 05:43 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1137. Swe-Den marker on bridge
    ... No, unfortunately I have not seen it. The picture on the above mentioned site is very good. It makes you want to touch it, to stroke it, doesn t it? :) But
    Dec 31, 2000 @ 09:22 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
  1138. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Swe-Den marker on bridge
    Hej Mats The photo was taken by one of Peter s friends as he walked on the Øresundsbro on these days before the offical opening. As it is now I guess your
    Dec 31, 2000 @ 12:29 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1139. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Historic geographic anomalies
    I would like to ad a few comments. They may not get you further to the truth. ... I have just translated and posted an article on the NI border at
    Dec 31, 2000 @ 16:29 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1140. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Historic geographic anomalies
    ... How do you define this category? ... Was Porkkala formerly part of some nation-state other than Finland? (I was just there, birdwatching, in June 2000, and
    Dec 31, 2000 @ 21:13 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  1141. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Historic geographic anomalies
    david cool all our available vikings may already be out celebrating porkkala was leased by the finns to the russkies as a naval base in 1944 for 50 years but
    Dec 31, 2000 @ 23:59 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1142. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Swe-Den marker on bridge
    hej maybe they made it so small because they dont want anyone to even slow down for it or to notice it at all in the present but only in the past & on special
    Jan 01, 2001 @ 00:11 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1143. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Historic geographic anomalies
    ... thats nuthin man look what they did to western sahara completely lost it in a sandstorm & heres more truth & power to your ad maybe we could even repay
    Jan 01, 2001 @ 00:14 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1144. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Historic geographic anomalies
    Guys, I am sorry I haven t been able to put the Berlin exclaves online. We are having the New Year s party, and I am afraid I will end up losing or some kids
    Jan 01, 2001 @ 01:28 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  1145. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Historic geographic anomalies
    Thanks. But leasing land does not (in my opinion) transfer sovereignty, so I do not think a leased patch of land would be an enclave or exclave. It is still an
    Jan 01, 2001 @ 02:54 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  1146. ghost busters was Re: [BoundaryPoint] Historic geographic anomalies
    arif ... it is true that 6 maybe 7 of the original colonies legally reached the pacific at some time albeit with several in mutual as well as international
    Jan 01, 2001 @ 03:29 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1147. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Historic geographic anomalies
    right this must be another distinct kind of pseudo or quasi ghost btw i dont think any of these are really anomalies either there are 2 possibilities
    Jan 01, 2001 @ 03:34 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1148. the future is here
    ok anyone west of here wanting to hear from the future this is it & it is us welcome & good night m
    Jan 01, 2001 @ 05:23 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1149. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Historic geographic anomalies
    Well Mike I wrote to the webmaster of newafrica.com (the only address I could find on the site, the e-mail bounced back saying the guy s inbox was to full.
    Jan 01, 2001 @ 20:27 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1150. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Historic geographic anomalies
    ... I haven t really thought of how to define historic geographic anomalies, but let me try right away: Because they are historic they should be gone, in one
    Jan 01, 2001 @ 20:49 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
  1151. Dutch exclave
    Where is that Dutch exclave? Are we talking about the piece of land attached to Belgium where the town of Terneuzen is? Jesper ... From: Mats Hessman
    Jan 01, 2001 @ 20:58 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1152. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Dutch exclave
    ... It s a tiny spot of Dutch soil, less than 500x300 meters. The nearest Belgian village is Vossenberg Ginhoven just west of Zondereigen. The exclave itself
    Jan 01, 2001 @ 21:15 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
  1153. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Dutch exclave
    That is the small field we are all talking about. Unfortunately there are no demarcation for the field. Peter lend me a map of that region 1:25000 and it s
    Jan 01, 2001 @ 22:11 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1154. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Historic geographic anomalies
    Mike - I thought Georgia interrupted South Carolina s march to Pacific, so thought it was an exclave. But, as I have mentioned, I did not get to look at the
    Jan 01, 2001 @ 22:27 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  1155. an apparent apparition was RE: [BoundaryPoint] Historic geographic anomalies
    dear arif glad you pursed this as it is interesting ... the boundary between ma & ny was controversial from early times & was not agreed upon in any sense til
    Jan 02, 2001 @ 02:14 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1156. boundary crosses was RE: [BoundaryPoint] Historic geographic anomalies
    dear mats ... actually we have reason to hope it is not unique for it may prove to be 1 of perhaps 5 similar international boundary crosses aka binational
    Jan 02, 2001 @ 02:18 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1157. millennium pass was Re: [BoundaryPoint] Historic geographic anomalies
    thanx & good news jesper that was uncannily fine tuning by both of us to complete the millennium pass by snail mail on a sunday yes the yellow paper was
    Jan 02, 2001 @ 02:20 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1158. Quadripoints in Baarle
    Michael, ... This is intriguing! After reading your message I took out my touristic map of Baarle, which is unfortunately not very accurate (which is proven by
    Jan 02, 2001 @ 07:44 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
  1159. boundary-tripoints in europe
    hallo, after reading more than 1000 interesting messages in your group I would like to send you a zipped file of my GEBC papers. Hope that
    Jan 02, 2001 @ 12:22 - Gartner Wolfgang (Gartner Wolfgang <WGartner@kliem.de>)
  1160. Re: [BoundaryPoint] boundary-tripoints in europe
    Hello Wolfgang Thanks for joining our group and adding such great contributions. What is your relation to Peter the Great? Do you have any if these photos on a
    Jan 02, 2001 @ 16:29 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1161. Re: [BoundaryPoint] boundary-tripoints in europe
    gartner gartner we are silent only because we are speechless thank you for finally arriving we wash your feet & your entire village i just had to take a
    Jan 02, 2001 @ 16:41 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1162. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Quadripoints in Baarle
    I have a tourist Baarle Map 1:8300. It s named plattegrond from 1999. The Belgium part is hatched. I see the triangle and inverted U-shape. As I see the map
    Jan 02, 2001 @ 20:29 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1163. Re: [BoundaryPoint] boundary-tripoints in europe
    This is a great border site!!! I have a question for Wolfgang: I would like to follow the border on the pictures. How do I see where the border line goes? Do
    Jan 02, 2001 @ 20:32 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1164. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Quadripoints in Baarle
    ... Are you quite sure? I think I am looking at the same map. Mine is 1:8300 and the Belgian fragments are hatched in a red (hard-to-read) color. On my map the
    Jan 02, 2001 @ 21:04 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
  1165. How many borders can you cross in 2½ km?
    I would like to add a comments to my 9 times in 2½ km crossing mail. I know of a place between Holland and Germany called Heringsbosch (Peter is of course the
    Jan 02, 2001 @ 21:09 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
  1166. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Quadripoints in Baarle
    Mats according to my (Peters) 1:8300 Baarle map all of the pink main road is hatched. Donkerstraat looks also to be all Belgium apart from a tiny part of the
    Jan 02, 2001 @ 21:20 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1167. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Quadripoints in Baarle
    Jesper, The print date of my map is 1995. Since your map is newer, I suppose it should contain the best information. Too bad... Here is a (bad-quality
    Jan 02, 2001 @ 21:33 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
  1168. Conn/Maine border.
    Go to Connecticut State Library faq page at: http://www.cslnet.ctstateu.edu/faq.htm and read about border jog. Also a discussion there about the panhandle
    Jan 02, 2001 @ 23:17 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1169. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Geographic anomalies
    I am doing a thesis on enclaves, so know all the cases fairly well. An enclave must be 100% surrounded by another country, so most of your examples are
    Jan 02, 2001 @ 23:29 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1170. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Indian enclaves
    This one gives you an idea:
    Jan 02, 2001 @ 23:42 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1171. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Quadripoints in Baarle
    ... The 1:25 000 of each country are the best. I have 1:10 000 from each, but these arel ittle more than enlargements, with thicker lines and no more detail
    Jan 03, 2001 @ 00:03 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1172. reeling
    fellow punctophiles a dizzying delight to see such varied & multi ringed circuses firing fat ladies from the cannons all at once i dont know where to run first
    Jan 03, 2001 @ 00:38 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1173. tripoints etc.
    hi everybody I can t believe your quick responses to my little summary of tripoints in Europe. At the moment I am really only interested in historical
    Jan 03, 2001 @ 12:45 - Gartner Wolfgang (Gartner Wolfgang <WGartner@kliem.de>)
  1174. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Historic geographic anomalies
    ... No, the Cypriot bases are Brit sovereign terriroty. All cyprus was British until 1960. Some (ie 99%) was made independent as the Rep of Cyprus. The rest
    Jan 02, 2001 @ 23:57 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1175. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Geographic anomalies
    ... Where can I find Robinson s journal articles, please? What journal or journals would that be? Mats
    Jan 03, 2001 @ 16:05 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
  1176. boundary crosses
    hi brendan congrats to you & our other members on the extreme bounding quiz i gather from the answers you are fairly convinced there is 1 & only 1 boundary
    Jan 03, 2001 @ 17:06 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1177. Re: [BoundaryPoint] tripoints etc.
    hi wolfgang what fun to fly directly from 214 to 369 & will just have to imagine the rest for now also i apologize for not mentioning it sooner but i for one
    Jan 03, 2001 @ 17:07 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1178. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Indian enclaves
    Thanks for info. Link do not work - here is a better one: http://www.mapsofindia.com/maps/westbengal/railways/kochbihar.htm Jesper ... From: Brendan Whyte
    Jan 03, 2001 @ 19:05 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1179. Baarle Bi-Quadropoint
    Brendan wrote in quiz answers:: The other case is in Baarle. Demarcation of the Baarle enclaves in 1995 finally created another 2-country quadripoint in the
    Jan 03, 2001 @ 21:32 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1180. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Quadripoints in Baarle
    Mats, I agree your map looks good, mine has the road belonging to BE. I don t if they are just unaccurate or things have changed. Jesper ... From: Mats
    Jan 03, 2001 @ 21:36 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1181. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Geographic anomalies
    Robinson, GWS, West Bertlin, the geography of an exclave Geographical Reveiw, v43 1953 pp540-57 Catudal, HM, Berlin s New Boundaries , Cahiers de Geographie
    Jan 03, 2001 @ 22:28 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1182. Re: [BoundaryPoint] boundary crosses
    I have the maps, I have done the site inspection and interviewed the guilty. There is only one quadpoint in Baarle, The others are VERY near to it, connections
    Jan 03, 2001 @ 22:35 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1183. Re: [BoundaryPoint] boundary crosses
    thanx brendan as always 2 or 3 of these in the world is plenty come to think of it is there a photo available of this one m
    Jan 04, 2001 @ 01:01 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1184. enclaves
    Here are scans of Swiss topo sheet 2511 scale 1:25 000 Schaffhausen und Umgebung , 1988 showing Buesingen Irish topo sheet 27, 1:50 000 Upper Lough Erne
    Jan 04, 2001 @ 06:47 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
  1185. Baarle
    Here are scans of the relative positions and numbering of the various Baarle enclaves, in 3 parts. The grid crosses are the Dutch 1km grid line intersections.
    Jan 04, 2001 @ 06:49 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
  1186. Baarle details
    Here are scans of the quadripoint and the various other near misses , with slight connections or slight missed connections, taken in general fomr Dutch
    Jan 04, 2001 @ 06:52 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
  1187. message 1188
    From: michael donner Date: Wed Jan 3, 2001 5:07pm Subject: Re: tripoints etc. now the file produced als an
    Jan 04, 2001 @ 09:05 - Gartner Wolfgang (Gartner Wolfgang <WGartner@kliem.de>)
  1188. Re: [BoundaryPoint] message 1188
    So it means there isn t really a France-Germany-Luxembourg tripoint as the river (plus the two river peninsulars) are joined Lux-Ger?! Can you access the river
    Jan 13, 2001 @ 09:36 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1189. Tripoints - account Peter H.
    Hello everybody - felice anno nuovo - happy New Year - ein glückliches Neues Jahr - bonne anné - godt nytaar !!! I d like to add another tp to my collection,
    Jan 04, 2001 @ 14:09 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  1190. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Baarle Bi-Quadropoint
    ... If the farmers let you! It is a single field all around, but owned (or cropped?) by different farmers (relatives of each other). When I was there in
    Jan 03, 2001 @ 22:46 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1191. major tri country eruption
    gartner wolfgang or wolfgang gartner thanx your excellency dont know how you get in without signing up or down but i do admire it & salute you in all
    Jan 04, 2001 @ 17:25 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1192. boundary crosses
    multi thanx & kudos brendan just to keep the boundary crosses hott while looking forward to a photo what about the cobblestone cross was i just imagining that
    Jan 04, 2001 @ 17:31 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1193. is it not true
    i may have missed something but i have the impression now all 4 of our non virgins began with lovely bedenl m
    Jan 04, 2001 @ 17:47 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1194. re ozzy tripoints cont
    australias maritime boundaries by jrv prescott has just arrived & has pretty well busted my recent surmise about there being as many as 20 ozzy tripoints the
    Jan 04, 2001 @ 17:51 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1195. hard tri country data playing hard to get
    jesper nice to see y&our pages turn up on the int boundaries list prospects of extracting additional tripoint data from regional bibles as was recently done
    Jan 04, 2001 @ 17:54 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1196. ok heres a taste
    afghanistan iran turkmenistan in zulfikar pass not a true pass but a cleft in the side of the canyon of the hari rud tripoint is on right or east bank of heri
    Jan 04, 2001 @ 18:05 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1197. Re: [BoundaryPoint] hard tri country data playing hard to get
    Today I located Brownlie in the Royal Danish Library. I was supprised to see how small and compact it was, but I liked it alot. I bought a 20-copy card and
    Jan 13, 2001 @ 19:44 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1198. Re: [BoundaryPoint] hard tri country data playing hard to get
    yes bernd & arif & rolf & everyone who showed up there recently good to remember everyone brownlie is pure honey too m well worth the hour also but nothing
    Jan 04, 2001 @ 20:26 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1199. Neutral Zones and joint land
    Are there only three neutral zones? Next to Gibraltar, Ceuta and Melilla! Who administers them? UN? Are you lawless there? The river Mosel have an island which
    Jan 13, 2001 @ 21:29 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1200. notes from maritime boundaries & ocean resources 1987
    coincidentally in a partial answer to jesper about neutral zones this book indicates 5 or 6 different types of what it calls joint zones misc other notes it
    Jan 04, 2001 @ 22:22 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1201. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Neutral Zones and joint land
    About the neutral zones:   I, too, seek information on the NZ:s close to Ceuta and Melilla. Incidentally, Rezette s book on the spanish enclaves is available
    Jan 04, 2001 @ 22:33 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
  1202. chapter 5 limits of the area beyond national jurisdiction
    unclos 1982 provided first comprehensive demarcation & separation of the seabed into 2 major zones namely the areas within & beyond the limits of national
    Jan 04, 2001 @ 23:14 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1203. new world class tripoint total
    the significance of the previous message in terms of the global world class tripoint total is that it adds some 130 new members to the existing rosters
    Jan 04, 2001 @ 23:35 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1204. hot dog shit
    it even appears in chapter 6 by hance smith that a new category has been born into the sea use management organization classification system by which we can
    Jan 05, 2001 @ 00:16 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1205. ch 14 defining the indefinable
    subtitled antarctic maritime boundaries by gerard j mangone the land part of everyones land antarctica is greater in area than brazil canada or us & twice as
    Jan 05, 2001 @ 02:48 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1206. ch 15 beyond the bounds
    last chapter subtitled a consideration of local govt limits in the coastal zone of england & wales by joyce e halliday the jurisdiction of local govt tends to
    Jan 05, 2001 @ 03:36 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1207. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Neutral Zones and joint land
    Alexander MElamid wrote an article in a geography journal in the 1950s about neutral zones: Geographical Reveiw, v45, 1955, p359-74. The economic geography of
    Jan 04, 2001 @ 23:35 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1208. Exclave in Chile?
    Colleages, Is there (or was there) a Peruvian exclave in Chile? Excerpt from http://www.boundaries.com/ibm_idx.htm : CHILE-PERU 96-01, Tensions Crest along the
    Jan 05, 2001 @ 18:09 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
  1209. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Exclave in Chile?
    dont know but doubt it is sovereign territory never encountered it locally anyway they could mean an exclave in some other sense tho you may still be able ride
    Jan 05, 2001 @ 21:42 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1210. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Exclave in Chile?
    I haven t seen the aerticle in question, but i suspect it is a bonded warehouse or something at Arica, or some other customs or govt-owned land, and not
    Jan 06, 2001 @ 01:38 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1211. iii kings day
    today 6 jan 3 kings day aka the epiphany or 13th day or eastern xmas stands to be a royally big point in time for multipointers of all stripes so god save
    Jan 06, 2001 @ 15:46 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1212. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Neutral Zones and joint land
    Brendan - Yes, I kind of messed up when I mentioned the Cypriot bases with Guantanamo, Porkkala and the Chinese territories. What I meant was that like
    Jan 06, 2001 @ 21:40 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  1213. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Neutral Zones and joint land
    At the end of the quiz answers I gave the address. I have 3 copies spare. Or Just write to the author, and request a copy of Rule of Jungle , his booklet on
    Jan 07, 2001 @ 05:57 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1214. Re: boundary-tripoints in europe
    hello, I m back from my holidays (X-mas and New Year, too. Still wishing you all ALL THE BEST for the new year 2001!! I have been to the suggested site at
    Jan 07, 2001 @ 07:55 - kahbeh@hotmail.com (kahbeh@...)
  1215. Re: boundary-tripoints in europe
    hello, I m back from my holidays (X-mas and New Year, too. Still wishing you all ALL THE BEST for the new year 2001!! I have been to the suggested site at
    Jan 07, 2001 @ 07:56 - kahbeh@hotmail.com (kahbeh@...)
  1216. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: boundary-tripoints in europe
    Hello Bernd There is an e-mail link on the front page of the site Jesper ... From: To: Sent: Sunday, January
    Jan 07, 2001 @ 14:28 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1217. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: boundary-tripoints in europe
    About http://home.wanadoo.nl/~eefberns/index.html There are more to the site than the marker pictures. Hopefully we can have it in English shortly. I like
    Jan 07, 2001 @ 14:39 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1218. Territories and tripoints
    ... The war memorial, would that be the Neue Wache , where East-German soldiers stood guard on West- Berlin territory? Does anybody have more information on
    Jan 07, 2001 @ 15:35 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
  1219. Fragments
    Will anybody please define fragtments again vs. enclaves and exclaves! Jesper
    Jan 07, 2001 @ 15:41 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1220. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Territories and tripoints
    Dear Mats, The memorial in Berlin was the Soviet War Memorial in the Bezirk (District) Tiergarten. There were Soviet soldiers on guard, and frequently Soviet
    Jan 07, 2001 @ 16:23 - tardis (tardis <tardis@...-net.de>)
  1221. Border Brazil-Uruguay divides town into two...
    Hello everybody - by surfing around I found a site I d like to recommend to all borderfreaks...: it s about the Brazilian borders - these borders are -
    Jan 07, 2001 @ 16:54 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  1222. Sv: [BoundaryPoint] message 1188
    Dear Jesper, as a matter of fact I am in possession of a German topo map from this area: 6504 Perl. 1:25.000 According to the map (I ll scan it one of these
    Jan 07, 2001 @ 17:15 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  1223. Berlin was memorial, was: [BoundaryPoint] Territories and tripoi nts
    ... Bernhard, Thanks for the information! I have a weak memory of a war memorial on the northern side of Str des 17 Junis, not far from Brandenburger Tor, but
    Jan 07, 2001 @ 17:35 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
  1224. Re: [BoundaryPoint] message 1188
    Hello Peter Thanks for your reply. I asked the question for the attached document from Wolfgang. In the document is an attached photo and map 1:10000of the
    Jan 07, 2001 @ 17:51 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
  1225. Re: [BoundaryPoint] message 1188
    wow jesper thanx this is actually the first i have seen of gartners zipped tricountry photos what a beauty & with a joint zone too if you can & would relay
    Jan 07, 2001 @ 19:11 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1226. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Territories and tripoints
    mats asked ... right wet & dry continentals & maritimes too but these are all wet ... yes there are such but not this one according to gideon ... right these &
    Jan 07, 2001 @ 19:11 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1227. neutral zones & joint zones or condos
    just winging it here but at least from a multisovereign & multipointing perspective it is good to make a distinction between neutral zones & joint zones this
    Jan 07, 2001 @ 19:12 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1228. Re: [BoundaryPoint] message 1188
    Hello mike How come you did not see the tripoint when you saw the stamps? Jesper ... From: michael donner To:
    Jan 07, 2001 @ 19:21 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1229. Re: [BoundaryPoint] message 1188
    Anyway, stamps, tripoints or not Here is the post converted to a Web File: http://home.worldonline.dk/~jesniel/border/BorderPointemail.htm Jesper ... From:
    Jan 07, 2001 @ 19:39 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1230. Re: [BoundaryPoint] neutral zones & joint zones or condos
    Mike - I didn t actually try to intimitate that neutral zones and joint zones or condominiums are the same. Neutral zones are much rarer if any truly exists.
    Jan 07, 2001 @ 20:59 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  1231. Re: [BoundaryPoint] message 1188
    saw only the text about the stamps but hadnt seen the stamps themselves nor any of these pix til you showed them so thank you again jesper this is wonderful
    Jan 07, 2001 @ 22:30 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1232. Re: [BoundaryPoint] neutral zones & joint zones or condos
    hi arif ... no i understand & didnt mean to pin that on you i do think joint & condo zones are essentially identical for tri pointing purposes tho ... right
    Jan 07, 2001 @ 22:30 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1233. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Territories and tripoints
    See Catudal s various works on Berlin in the 1970s: Exclave Problem of Western Europe Steinstucken, a study in cold war politics and several booklets and
    Jan 07, 2001 @ 23:33 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1234. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fragments
    This is the subject of an unpublished paper of mine: A fragment is any discontinuous/discontiguous part of a territorial unit (county/ state/ country/
    Jan 07, 2001 @ 23:40 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1235. Sv: [BoundaryPoint] Fragments
    Hello Brendan, your comments on the terms enclave and exclave are interesting and I do agree with you that most people do not know the linguistic
    Jan 08, 2001 @ 09:41 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  1236. Tp map FraGerLux
    Hello everybody, attached pls find the promised scan of topo map from the tp-area FraGerLux. According to this map (published 1971) there s only one tripoint
    Jan 08, 2001 @ 10:34 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
  1237. various responses
    hello all & thanxx for all the great new topics & angles of which i can only hope to touch on a few peter major congrats on conceiving the south american gcebe
    Jan 08, 2001 @ 17:37 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1238. Re: Berlin was memorial, was: [BoundaryPoint] Territories and tripoi nts
    Dear Mats, ... It surely is. I enclose a small scan of the central Berlin city map, showing Strasse des 17. Juni west of Brandenburg Gate. The Ehrenmal is,
    Jan 08, 2001 @ 17:46 - tardis (tardis <tardis@hannover.sgh-net.de>)
  1239. hey
    how about a page or site devoted to tri country points & enclaves etc depicted on postage stamps m & then we could remind & persuade the national govts of the
    Jan 08, 2001 @ 19:09 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1240. Re: Berlin was memorial, was: [BoundaryPoint] Territories and tripoi nts
    ... excuse me but isnt a weak memory of a war memorial the best kind a few well meaning but futile individuals only made the memorial in the first place
    Jan 08, 2001 @ 19:31 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1241. Re: Berlin was memorial, was: [BoundaryPoint] Territories and tripoi nts
    excuse me again dear bernhard & mats as i was carried away i meant to say i am glad you are here with us in this & your interests & contributions & wishes are
    Jan 08, 2001 @ 19:51 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1242. RE: Berlin was memorial, was: [BoundaryPoint] Territories and tr ipoi nts
    hear, hear..
    Jan 08, 2001 @ 20:20 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
  1243. Re: [BoundaryPoint] message 1188
    Mike, Don t know why your atchit looks weird. I have made a new try at http://home.worldonline.dk/~jesniel/border/atchit.htm Jesper ... From: michael donner
    Jan 08, 2001 @ 20:25 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1244. Re: [BoundaryPoint] various responses
    Peter is a great friend of mine, but on this one I will disagree until proved wrong. Both map and photo show a condomination. The map do however also show sort
    Jan 08, 2001 @ 20:29 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1245. Fw: Your site
    Eef Berns is the creater of the site with the Dutch markers (http://home.wanadoo.nl/~eefberns/index.html), that Wolfgang told us about. Eef: We look forward to
    Jan 08, 2001 @ 21:35 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1246. Re: [BoundaryPoint] message 1188
    hahahaha must have lost everything but its edge this does the trick beautifully thanx absolutely gorgeous new danish site you slung up there too m
    Jan 08, 2001 @ 22:51 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1247. Re: [BoundaryPoint] hey
    Matin Ira Glassner s book systematic Political Geography has illustrations of stamps of various enclaves, boundaries and countries in it. BTW, I just checked
    Jan 08, 2001 @ 23:33 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1248. tri country points actually or virtually visited by us
    this update & simplification of message 1124 incorporates various corrections but especially honors the 3 most recent finds &or reports by gartner & peter with
    Jan 09, 2001 @ 04:13 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1249. Re: [BoundaryPoint] hey
    thanx once again brendan we are on the case ... haha right you are eskimos too i daresay & your joke leads me to try for a simpler & more natural & therefore
    Jan 09, 2001 @ 04:16 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1250. Re: [BoundaryPoint] hey
    Baarle enclaves are numbered separatley in the 1995 treaty if they are truly separate or, in the case of one, joined only by a point to another. Those that are
    Jan 09, 2001 @ 06:26 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1251. boundary crosses again was Re: [BoundaryPoint] hey
    ... very interesting indeed ... so buttressed both by legal precedent & practical reality we may say that jungholz is a true enclave & a true exclave & not
    Jan 09, 2001 @ 09:14 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1252. "Condo" Lux-Ger proved to be correct!!!
    Hello, after studying pages after pages of official documents concerning this border I proudly report this: Yes, since 1816 - the year of the first written
    Jan 09, 2001 @ 15:17 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  1253. Oman map scanned - with 2 exclaves !!
    Hello again, for those interested in exclaves/enclaves I found a map of Oman, a country I visited two years ago (most fascinating...!). Attached pls find the
    Jan 09, 2001 @ 15:25 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
  1254. Re: [BoundaryPoint] "Condo" Lux-Ger proved to be correct!!!
    thank you my lord we are all proud i think of these twin confirmations of dipunctitrilines at both bedelu & defrlu & also of the new hint you bring of the
    Jan 09, 2001 @ 16:45 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1255. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Oman map scanned - with 2 exclaves !!
    thanxx twice again my liege for the map & easy access now is dibba in madha or at bottom center or where is dibba in this scheme m
    Jan 09, 2001 @ 16:45 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1256. stamps again was Re: [BoundaryPoint] hey
    of course even better than stamps with tri country points on them but probably beyond the pale of hope for at least the foreseeable future would be tri country
    Jan 09, 2001 @ 17:53 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1257. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Oman map scanned - with 2 exclaves !!
    Dibba is the white dot at the bottom of Musandam peninsula in Peter s map. I believe it is called Daba in the map, but the print is too small for me to be
    Jan 09, 2001 @ 18:22 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  1258. Re: [BoundaryPoint] "Condo" Lux-Ger proved to be correct!!!
    it is also fascinating to follow the expanding thread of this mental thalweg into a fully manifested thought area from the first call by barry in message 296 m
    Jan 09, 2001 @ 19:02 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1259. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Oman map scanned - with 2 exclaves !!
    ahh to a more beautiful daba dibba is there a better map anywhere m &or any map of the bengal boundary cross candidate
    Jan 09, 2001 @ 19:05 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1260. Anybody seen this?
    http://www.choisser.com/gallery/places.html Even a reference to corner corner Jesper
    Jan 09, 2001 @ 20:08 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1261. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Anybody seen this?
    several very nice presentations here looks like they are working up to a quintipoint too there is even a hidden & probably unsuspected bipolar international
    Jan 10, 2001 @ 00:06 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1262. the political geography of the oceans
    jrv prescott 1975 seminal poetic elegant little tome includes survey of lit nice place to dive in also noteworthy for possible tri pointing applications are
    Jan 10, 2001 @ 00:07 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1263. Sv: [BoundaryPoint] "Condo" Lux-Ger proved to be correct!!!
    I m very sorry - but I think we should credit Wolfgang (Gartner) for this final access to the truth about the GerLux condo - he supplied me with all the
    Jan 10, 2001 @ 08:09 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  1264. Re: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] "Condo" Lux-Ger proved to be correct!!!
    excellent my lords & thanxx again to you both the revisit also allowed me to grasp for the first time that the dipunctitriline situations at defrlu & bedelu
    Jan 10, 2001 @ 15:36 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1265. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Anybody seen this?
    oops nearly missed this too also in the same photo where the fence line projection approaches the horizon line 3nm out in the ocean is the tripoint where
    Jan 10, 2001 @ 15:43 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1266. Kaukasus map scanned - excl./encl. to be enjoyed...
    Buenos dias, amigos de la frontera...! A friend of mine recently visited the Kaukasus area - quite an unstable region with a lot of occasional fighting going
    Jan 10, 2001 @ 16:44 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
  1267. state of the enclave art
    hola chicos rolf & arifs combined collection of enclaves accessible now thru the top link of our top link is looking like the cream of the claves in the world
    Jan 10, 2001 @ 18:01 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1268. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Kaukasus map scanned - excl./encl. to be enjoyed...
    ... are you kiddin pete this is gorgeous gcebe is multicontinental baby there will be no stopping us now m
    Jan 10, 2001 @ 19:23 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1269. updated description of everyones land
    further study of relevant works by prescott & blake points in the direction of an omnisovereign or common human heritage preserve area of the planet comprising
    Jan 10, 2001 @ 22:07 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1270. Re: [BoundaryPoint] updated description of everyones land
    in the eyes of enclave lovers a conspicuous omission from the inventory posted here below which would perhaps be unforgiveable not to correct immediately is
    Jan 11, 2001 @ 07:49 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1271. RE: [BoundaryPoint] updated description of everyones land
    Michael, Double exclaves? Binational enclaves? What wonderful and intriguing concepts! Thank you for this most interesting report. Please forgive my ignorance
    Jan 11, 2001 @ 08:28 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
  1272. RE: [BoundaryPoint] updated description of everyones land
    thanX mats i dig it that you dig it & i will ask jc to scan & hang some maps when she gets home as i am a total barbarian to modernity but yes they are
    Jan 11, 2001 @ 17:37 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1273. worlds extremest claves
    ridiculous to consider this since it is evidently their diminutive offspringlike cuteness that most endears the claves to us but the quest for the largest
    Jan 11, 2001 @ 20:13 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1274. testing code77 anglo tallahassee
    hey bill this is just a pretest of my new state of the art mobile quasicommunications system we will be out for chinese in the amphibious unit with the waning
    Jan 11, 2001 @ 21:13 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1275. Germanic links
    Colleagues, For those of you who don t hesitate to read foreign languages: http://www.zollgeschichte.de/ http://www.mms-spiess.ch/Inhalt.htm Mats
    Jan 11, 2001 @ 21:38 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
  1276. Historic quadripoint
    Just another pass-time: http://home.hccnet.nl/c.damen/engels/index_en.htm
    Jan 11, 2001 @ 21:47 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
  1277. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Historic quadripoint
    nice one & depending on definition & reading of history there is reason to believe this point may have briefly been a quintipoint a trinational or
    Jan 12, 2001 @ 02:29 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1278. RE: [BoundaryPoint] updated description of everyones land
    mats it wont be so easy for you to find all 16 separate units of everyones land on this map in darkest gray as it will be to find all 18 holes within it in
    Jan 12, 2001 @ 03:32 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1279. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Historic quadripoint
    Excellent find... facinating reading. Perhaps another stop on the GCEBE?! Doug ... _________________________________________________________________ Get your
    Jan 12, 2001 @ 05:43 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
  1280. An Expedia.com Map from Jesper
    Message from Jesper: Ever seen this devided island. Check also http://edc.usgs.gov/earthshots/slow/LakeChad/LakeChadmap.jpeg Jesper Here is the link to your
    Jan 12, 2001 @ 14:56 - maps@expedia.com (maps@...)
  1281. Singapore
    According to Gideon (yes - I have the only Gideon in Denmark in my hands) Singapore have no land boundaries. Any comments on that?? Anyway I think Gideon is a
    Jan 12, 2001 @ 21:00 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1282. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Singapore
    there is a causeway from singapore to malaysia with an unused and detoriating guard post. there is a pavement change at the guard station...which i presume is
    Jan 12, 2001 @ 22:20 - Beckett, Bob ("Beckett, Bob" <Bob.Beckett@...>)
  1283. From the news
    Friday January 12 6:56 PM ET India, China Discuss Shared Boundary NEW DELHI, India (AP) - India and China will address a long-standing dispute over a shared
    Jan 13, 2001 @ 08:27 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1284. Where is this?
    http://store.corbis.com/prodconfig/image_details.asp?navid=top25&imageid=10043443
    Jan 13, 2001 @ 21:28 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1285. More on the china-india border dispute
    Saturday January 13 5:37 AM ET Official: China OK With India By HEMA SHUKLA, Associated Press Writer NEW DELHI, India (AP) - China harbors no ill will toward
    Jan 14, 2001 @ 08:34 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1286. Sv: [BoundaryPoint] Where is this?
    Difficult to see details...but: the boundary marker states: Treaty of Versailles 1918, and F/D (France/Deutschland...)??? My guess... Peter ... From: Jesper &
    Jan 14, 2001 @ 13:37 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  1287. Important notice conc. GCEBE !
    Important notice concerning this year s GCEBE: Dear fellow boundary freaks: More than 7 months before our GCEBE I ve given the tour a lot of consideration and
    Jan 14, 2001 @ 14:45 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
  1288. The Gibraltar Neutral Zone
    Well guys Here is the story of that zone http://www.gibnet.com/texts/neutral.htm Jesper
    Jan 14, 2001 @ 18:37 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1289. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Important notice conc. GCEBE !
    Some comments from someone who wants to come, but probably won t have the $ to do so... - How long is the drove fomr Copenhagen to Czech... seems a LONG way.
    Jan 14, 2001 @ 23:12 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1290. Gibraltar Neutral Zone
    I have posted a few comments I got on the Neutral Zone http://home.worldonline.dk/~jesniel/border/gibespneuzon.htm Jesper
    Jan 15, 2001 @ 19:28 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1291. kings day again
    seeing kings day come up yet again today in america & florida & crystal river where i am lucky enough to be posting this from probably the only public library
    Jan 16, 2001 @ 00:11 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1292. Border Point Message No 1295

    Jan 16, 2001 @ 10:17 - Gartner Wolfgang (Gartner Wolfgang <WGartner@kliem.de>)
  1293. Revised itinerary GCEBE - 2nd edition
    Dear fellow border freaks - attached pls find revised itinerary for the GCEBE - I found some minor mistakes and added the approx. km s driven per day ! Regards
    Jan 16, 2001 @ 13:07 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  1294. forgot the attachment-sorry - here it comes

    Jan 16, 2001 @ 13:09 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
  1295. Sv: [BoundaryPoint] Important notice conc. GCEBE !
    Hello Brendan, thanks for your comments, most interesting... conc. lack of cash... well I know it s a long way, not only to Tipperary,. but from Aussie as well
    Jan 16, 2001 @ 13:44 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  1296. border markers France-Spain
    I did a lot of walking in the Pyrenees, following the long distance -coast to coast- path GR10. There s a line of border markers on the mountain ridges. I
    Jan 16, 2001 @ 16:28 - Eef Berns ("Eef Berns" <eefberns@...>)
  1297. special to eef & gartner & peter
    welcome at last eef we have been enjoying your site & expecting you http://www.egroups.com/message/boundarypoint/728 leads to one interesting pyreenean
    Jan 17, 2001 @ 01:18 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1298. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
    Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File :
    Jan 16, 2001 @ 20:22 - BoundaryPoint@egroups.com ( <BoundaryPoint@egroups.com>)
  1299. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border Point Message No 1295
    Nice pictures. I presume SFR Jugoslavia and SR Slovenia mean Soviet (Former) Republic of Jugoslavia and Soviet Republic of Slovenia ? ;-) ...
    Jan 16, 2001 @ 22:10 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1300. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border Point Message No 1295
    Nice pictures. I presume SFR Jugoslavia and SR Slovenia mean Soviet (Former) Republic of Jugoslavia and Soviet Republic of Slovenia ? ;-) Brendan ...
    Jan 16, 2001 @ 22:10 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1301. Re: [BoundaryPoint] border markers France-Spain
    After researching the case of Llivia, I can field this one: After the Treaty of the Pyrenees defined the boundary between France and Spain in 1659, the border
    Jan 16, 2001 @ 22:20 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1302. Additional info asked border markers Fr-Sp
    Brendan, thanks a lot for your answer. But can you (or someone else) tell me in addition: - what is the case of Llivia ? - more bibliographic data of Parry s
    Jan 17, 2001 @ 11:04 - Eef Berns ("Eef Berns" <eefberns@...>)
  1303. Re: border markers France-Spain
    is there any info here about the andorra tripoints m ... and ... as the ... and went ... treaty ... andorra ... Mediterranean ... positions of ... Treaty ...
    Jan 17, 2001 @ 15:44 - mick donner ("mick donner" <m@...>)
  1304. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
    Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File :
    Jan 17, 2001 @ 21:24 - BoundaryPoint@egroups.com ( <BoundaryPoint@egroups.com>)
  1305. Lake Okeechobee quinticounty attempt now scheduled for Feb. 3, 2001
    The long awaited attempt to mark the quinticounty point (the convergence of five Florida counties in Lake Okeechobee in south Florida: Okeechobee, Glades,
    Jan 17, 2001 @ 21:32 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  1306. Fwd: Lake Okeechobee So Low a 92-Foot Yacht Ran Aground
    great news bill now maybe we can get a ride with jack rice at slims fish camp stay tuned for inauguration day back on the case m ...
    Jan 17, 2001 @ 23:18 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1307. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: border markers France-Spain
    Each of the three sections of the border demarcated was the result of 2 treaties, one on methods and the second giving the actual monument location
    Jan 17, 2001 @ 23:58 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1308. Mexico and USA Agree to Divide Unclaimed Area in Gulf of Mexico
    Mexico, U.S. Agree to Divide Unclaimed Area in Gulf of Mexico The Associated Press MEXICO CITY (AP) - Mexico and the United States signed an agreement to
    Jan 18, 2001 @ 12:22 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  1309. Re: border markers France-Spain
    great thanx also can you tell if the 1659 & later treaties & inventories include or ignore the 1375 stone & earlier stones i ask because i believe this
    Jan 18, 2001 @ 19:45 - mick donner ("mick donner" <m@...>)
  1310. Borders and Maps
    I have four things to say and/or ask. So here it goes. I read a book on micronations that the border between France and Spain is defined in a certain way so
    Jan 19, 2001 @ 00:11 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@yahoo.com>)
  1311. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Additional info asked border markers Fr-Sp
    I study enclaves, so Llivia is one of several case-studies for my research. This is an expression meaning examples , and does not imply legal court-cases!
    Jan 17, 2001 @ 23:50 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1312. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: border markers France-Spain
    Don t know about the 1375 stone. My research has been onLlivia, and that didn t beomce an enclave until 1659. The Pyrenees have been a border for centuries in
    Jan 19, 2001 @ 04:43 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1313. the gchobee has been booked for travel
    the greatly coincident heart of okeechobee buoy emplacement expedition is now positively scheduled to embark weather permitting on saturday the 3rd of february
    Jan 19, 2001 @ 15:36 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1314. special to arif & brendan
    again i apologize for the tight style but i do thank you both emphatically for your recent posts which i am looking forward to checking out in greater detail
    Jan 19, 2001 @ 15:41 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1315. RE: [BoundaryPoint] the gchobee has been booked for travel
    btw i inadvertently pocketed your pen That s OK Mick...I ve got your scale! Bill _________________________________________________________________ Get your
    Jan 19, 2001 @ 18:52 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  1316. have a nice weekend with Gary...
    One of my favorites: Gary Larson - enjoy.. and have a nice weekend... Pete
    Jan 20, 2001 @ 11:44 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
  1317. Turkey-Iran-Iraq
    Hello freaks Can anybody inform me on what Gideon say on tp Turkey-Iran-Iraq? Is it marked? I recall something about marker 99. Thanks Jesper
    Jan 20, 2001 @ 15:00 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1318. laorospo
    bill i just realized since laorospo like all the other multicounty points in florida is defined in terms of corner points in the public land system what you
    Jan 20, 2001 @ 17:47 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1319. DRC-Tan-Zam
    Is this old news? Copied from http://www.matadi.com/ Democratic Republic of the Congo-Tanzania-Zambia tripoint in Lake Tanganyika may no longer be indefinite
    Jan 20, 2001 @ 20:00 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1320. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Important notice conc. GCEBE !
    If I didn t reply earlier, I will now. I m in! With at least one video camera. This is going to be a hoot! Doug (the TV guy) ...
    Jan 20, 2001 @ 23:12 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
  1321. RE: [BoundaryPoint] laorospo
    Mick, I agree. However, I ve often found that finding township or section corner monuments on the ground are also frequently difficult... Bill ... From:
    Jan 21, 2001 @ 20:14 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  1322. Re: have a nice weekend with Gary...
    hahahahaha hahaha m but wait then who really lost who finally an attachment i got
    Jan 22, 2001 @ 15:53 - mick donner ("mick donner" <m@...>)
  1323. Re: DRC-Tan-Zam
    nice find jesper lets add to our african tripoints page m ... Tanganyika may no longer be indefinite since it has been informally reported that the indefinite
    Jan 22, 2001 @ 15:54 - mick donner ("mick donner" <m@...>)
  1324. Re: laorospo
    right & i also realized there is no uniformity in section corner pins still it may be a help btw i went looking for codamo last week collier dade monroe
    Jan 22, 2001 @ 15:57 - mick donner ("mick donner" <m@...>)
  1325. source of glhemaokpa almost found
    the leading candidate for global maxipoint has now been traced virtually all the way back to its conceptual source a microfilm search of local newspapers last
    Jan 22, 2001 @ 16:17 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1326. Re: Borders and Maps
    ... indeed arif i just checked it out & this list is already beautifully realized at your site ... right again i have crossed this bridge many times without
    Jan 23, 2001 @ 00:14 - mick donner ("mick donner" <m@...>)
  1327. Re: Important notice conc. GCEBE !
    good show doug the master must still be away or i think he would certainly have blessed your camera adderie meanwhile if you would get your sweet ass down to
    Jan 23, 2001 @ 18:06 - mick donner ("mick donner" <m@...>)
  1328. Re: Mexico and USA Agree to Divide Unclaimed Area in Gulf of Mexico
    interesting also was it my imagination or arent there really 2 donut holes out there & are these the same or different from the 2 omnisovereign holes of human
    Jan 23, 2001 @ 18:17 - mick donner ("mick donner" <m@...>)
  1329. why laorospo is important
    laorospo part 1 members nonplussed or puzzled by bills & my interest in florida multipointing deserve a fuller explanation of its importance beginning at the
    Jan 24, 2001 @ 02:49 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1330. International Boundaries by Ewan W Anderson
    Does anyone know of this book? Is it better than Gideon? International Boundaries - An Atlas of Frontiers - (buy from Amazon.com) ~ Advanced orders being
    Jan 23, 2001 @ 20:21 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1331. RE: [BoundaryPoint] why laorospo is important
    Nice explanation of the reasoning behind our madness, Mike! Bill PS: Messages 447 through 456 contain relevant photos of laorospo. Also see larospo.doc in
    Jan 24, 2001 @ 00:34 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  1332. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Important notice conc. GCEBE !
    Actually, I will be in America next weekend. (Not much of a challenge, as the 49th is but 40 minutes to the south). But this time, I ll be in New York City.
    Jan 24, 2001 @ 07:19 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
  1333. Re: International Boundaries by Ewan W Anderson
    Ewan Anderson is a professor in the Centre for Middle Eastern and Islamic Studies at the University of Durham and a former associate of the International
    Jan 24, 2001 @ 10:10 - Martin Pratt ("Martin Pratt" <m.a.pratt@...>)
  1334. Re: Mexico and USA Agree to Divide Unclaimed Area in Gulf of Mexico
    The agreement divided the continental shelf of both doughnut holes in the Gulf of Mexico but the water column above the seabed in both areas remains part of
    Jan 24, 2001 @ 10:13 - Martin Pratt ("Martin Pratt" <m.a.pratt@...>)
  1335. Re: Mexico and USA Agree to Divide Unclaimed Area in Gulf of Mexico
    much obliged martin & you are as always highly illuminating & never boring so if i may summarize &or extrapolate it does appear from all this that we may well
    Jan 24, 2001 @ 19:01 - mick donner ("mick donner" <m@...>)
  1336. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Borders and Maps
    Hmm, Mike, I am hoping you actually took some pictures of the Panamanian bridge, because it would be somewhat disheartening to know somebody drove through a
    Jan 25, 2001 @ 06:19 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  1337. GCEBE - dates fixed !
    Hello everybody interested in the GCEBE : Day 1 (arrival Copenhagen) will be Thursday Sept. 6 ! Day 10 and 11 (end of trip): Saturday/Sunday Sept. 15/16 !
    Jan 25, 2001 @ 11:08 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
  1338. Message 1347 From: Arif Samad Date: Thu Jan 25, 2001 6:19am
    hi, there is a treaty between France and Suisse dated 1953, 1956, 1979. I can send the text (without a Map) to you, but the hole text is in German. Abkommen
    Jan 25, 2001 @ 15:07 - Gartner Wolfgang (Gartner Wolfgang <WGartner@...>)
  1339. Re: Important notice conc. GCEBE !
    well anyway doug it sure felt good in the consideration & i do understand the 2 or 3 potomac tripoints are all rather interesting the most southerly or
    Jan 25, 2001 @ 15:16 - mick donner ("mick donner" <m@...>)
  1340. Re: Borders and Maps
    haha well i deliberately only brought my mental camera on that trip so i can tell you it was called the bridge of the americas in those days i guess because
    Jan 25, 2001 @ 18:55 - mick donner ("mick donner" <m@...>)
  1341. Re: GCEBE - dates fixed !
    excellent peter now i hope you will let me buy at least the initial or terminal round of drinks also i finally found a library where i could discern your
    Jan 25, 2001 @ 19:06 - mick donner ("mick donner" <m@...>)
  1342. laorospo part 3
    dry multipoints are generally pretty easy to find because they are usually monumented especially if they are of major importance but laorospo tho probably
    Jan 25, 2001 @ 19:19 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1343. Re: [BoundaryPoint] GCEBE - dates fixed !
    Maybe a picnic, where the border runs through the table. Half the table could serve Belgian food (waffles? chocolate?) and the other side could hold Dutch
    Jan 26, 2001 @ 05:39 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
  1344. Cyprus agreement
    http://www.kypros.org/Constitution/cons2.html Jesper
    Jan 26, 2001 @ 20:05 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1345. laorospo part 4 or 5
    now where was i oh yes dumbing myself down great fun for this reason i have never owned a gps nor even a compass & often like to make a first try without a map
    Jan 26, 2001 @ 22:52 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1346. Peter Hering's Border Pictures
    JN Entertainment proudly presents a Peter Hering home page ... http://www.geocities.com/mafiapetedk/ has been updated. Jesper
    Jan 27, 2001 @ 07:50 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1347. BRD - DDR query
    Colleagues, Joining this list was one of my best moves in recent years. I d like to thank you all for the wealth of information provided here and for
    Jan 27, 2001 @ 11:04 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
  1348. Best topomap scanned
    and posted at http://www.scanmaps.dk/butik/produkter/4cm.php3 Jesper
    Jan 27, 2001 @ 16:46 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1349. Sv: [BoundaryPoint] BRD - DDR query
    Dear Mats, thanks for kind remarks about our group ! Yes, we all get lots of information and news all the time, much of it quite new and exciting... Re. your
    Jan 27, 2001 @ 18:38 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  1350. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Message 1347 From: Arif Samad Date: Thu Jan 25, 2001 6:19am
    Try the UN Treaty Series, which should be held by any decent library. It has indexes every 50 volumes or so (large red paperback volumes most recently,
    Jan 28, 2001 @ 01:09 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1351. Re: [BoundaryPoint] GCEBE - dates fixed !
    Whicxh reminds me... Besides the 5 enclaves along the Belg-German border near monschau, there was another some way south, much closer to Lux, west of a small
    Jan 28, 2001 @ 01:30 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1352. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Best topomap scanned
    The full reference for the article by Prof Book is: Angerdorf och Exklav - två företeelser inom den berlinska geografin. _Acta Wexionensia_ volume1 #4,
    Jan 28, 2001 @ 02:27 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1353. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Best topomap scanned
    ok, the accents didn t come out: The a in tva has a small circle above it, and the o on foreteelser has 2 dots above it Brendan ...
    Jan 28, 2001 @ 02:39 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1354. Re: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] BRD - DDR query
    hello, compared to the good old times (which were not good by the way) most of the border is gone. However if you take highway A24 from Hamburg to Berlin,
    Jan 28, 2001 @ 08:51 - kahbeh@hotmail.com (kahbeh@...)
  1355. to doug with ps to all
    doug your exuberance is appreciated so no need to wait til september to keep dosing us with it the benl doubly stressed desserts could easily become a bedenl
    Jan 28, 2001 @ 03:47 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1356. GCEBE-map and reminder...
    Ave - dear boundary mates...! Just a little reminder - please let me know about your possible participation in the GCEBE! before Jan. 31... no commitments
    Jan 28, 2001 @ 14:41 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
  1357. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
    Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File :
    Jan 28, 2001 @ 14:57 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com ( <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>)
  1358. to Arif Samad Message 1347
    enclosed the text file Wolfgang Gärtner c/o Carl Kliem GmbH An der Hauptwache 7 D 60313 Frankfurt am Main Telefon 49-69-9201622 Fax
    Jan 29, 2001 @ 08:41 - Gartner Wolfgang (Gartner Wolfgang <WGartner@kliem.de>)
  1359. laorospo part 11
    now if you will indulge me 1 final but essential preambulation before coming to the point once something has been discovered or actualized well then it is
    Jan 29, 2001 @ 16:51 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1360. Ex-exclave in belgium.
    The following scan of the ex-enclave (disappeared 28 august 1958 in accordance with 24 Sept 1956 treaty of Brussels) is fomr Belgian 1:25 000 topo map 56/7-8,
    Jan 30, 2001 @ 04:36 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
  1361. laorospo part 2b
    the night we failed to meet last year i was intending to try laorospo & to invite bill to meet me there when that didnt happen bill tried it himself a few
    Jan 30, 2001 @ 19:45 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1362. Bangladesh-India enclaves
    I was looking at the Bangladeshi maps I have and it seems that I may have actually taken a Rickshaw over an Indian enclave about thirteen years ago before I
    Jan 30, 2001 @ 22:32 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  1363. RE: [BoundaryPoint] GCEBE-map and reminder...
    Peter, I am thinking very seriously about joining you on the trip. Also I may be able to get a friend to come also. Jack ... From: Peter Hering
    Jan 31, 2001 @ 19:23 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@gisco.net>)
  1364. glhemaokpa coordinates
    Mick, it just occured to me that I don t have the coordinates for glhemaokpa, and I can t seem to lay my hands on the appropriate quad (which I know I have
    Feb 01, 2001 @ 02:30 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  1365. RE: [BoundaryPoint] glhemaokpa coordinates
    Just happen to have them handy. N26d 57m 32s W80d 53m 08s by Delorme N26d 57m 31s W80d 53m 07s by Topozone Hope you both have a great time finding it. Jack
    Feb 01, 2001 @ 03:43 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
  1366. Sv: [BoundaryPoint] border markers France-Spain
    Dear Eef, very interesting indeed! According to all info we have on this border it should be one of the oldest untouched borderlines in the world! And very
    Feb 01, 2001 @ 10:35 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  1367. RE: [BoundaryPoint] glhemaokpa coordinates
    Thanks, Jack! A full report will be forthcoming! Bill
    Feb 01, 2001 @ 10:57 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  1368. Re: [BoundaryPoint] glhemaokpa coordinates
    thanx bill got the quad & from it probably the best possible coords tho one never knows dont mind the front blowing thru today & tomorrow it still looks like a
    Feb 01, 2001 @ 23:37 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1369. RE: [BoundaryPoint] glhemaokpa coordinates
    thanx jack may the farce be with us m ... Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
    Feb 01, 2001 @ 15:45 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1370. RE: [BoundaryPoint] glhemaokpa coordinates
    OK thanks Mike. I plan on leaving the house about 6:30 AM on Saturday to get down there...let me know if there are any changes! Cell: 407-973-8031 Home:
    Feb 01, 2001 @ 16:54 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  1371. RE: [BoundaryPoint] glhemaokpa coordinates
    excellent bill will call some time tomorrow with update also i should tell people that when bill says cell he means it part of our unique bond is that we both
    Feb 01, 2001 @ 21:20 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1372. RE: [BoundaryPoint] glhemaokpa coordinates
    I have fond memories of my college years, but that isn t one of em! Bill ... From: Michael Donner [mailto:m@discovernet.net] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001
    Feb 01, 2001 @ 22:42 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  1373. Re: [BoundaryPoint] border markers France-Spain
    Dear Peter Your wish fulfilled: my pictures of pyreneean border markers te be seen on: http://home.wanadoo.nl/~eefberns/index.html (click on Pyreneeën in the
    Feb 02, 2001 @ 13:52 - Eef Berns ("Eef Berns" <eefberns@...>)
  1374. Re: border markers France-Spain
    Great pictures, Eef...thanks very much for the post....keep them coming! Bill
    Feb 02, 2001 @ 20:56 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  1375. Re: border markers France-Spain
    Great pictures, Eef...thanks very much for the post. Please keep them coming! Bill
    Feb 02, 2001 @ 20:58 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  1376. RE: [BoundaryPoint] glhemaokpa coordinates
    this is too much jack last time i would have made idmtwy if i had realized soon enough that you were the man to listen to there but missed by 700 feet this
    Feb 01, 2001 @ 21:34 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1377. monroe county quintipopper
    key largo public library must be the flagship of the 5 keys to the internet in monroe county we have a magnetic bookplate on our dashboard with all their
    Feb 01, 2001 @ 22:41 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1378. Cyprus
    Nice map http://www.undp.org/missions/cyprus/unficyp.gif Note ..the Kokkina-enclave, which is actually a double enclave as there is an UN-buffer zone enclave
    Feb 03, 2001 @ 20:23 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1379. Clickable site
    I thought this clickable site was pretty cool just for the zoomworthiness of it. http://ngis2.statkart.no/norgesglasset/default.html Arif
    Feb 04, 2001 @ 07:35 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  1380. glhemaokpa wet megapoint crowned!
    Well, it finally happened! After months of discussion and planning, glhemaokpa, the world s megapoint, a wetpoint conjuction of five counties in Florida s
    Feb 04, 2001 @ 13:40 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  1381. Re: [BoundaryPoint] glhemaokpa wet megapoint crowned!
    Goshdarnit guys (sorry for using profanity), but Lake Okeechobee is third. You are either forgetting that Lake Michigan is completely in United States or that
    Feb 05, 2001 @ 00:24 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  1382. RE: [BoundaryPoint] glhemaokpa wet megapoint crowned!
    Thanks Arif...make the second largest in the the lower 48! (I believe its area is actually 730 square miles). I had considered Lake Michigan, but not
    Feb 05, 2001 @ 00:47 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  1383. glhemaokpa
    meanwhile back in key largo thanxx to jane & bill & captain tom hardiman & bo son devin we have our quintipopper class a the first in history a wet
    Feb 05, 2001 @ 15:31 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1384. Re: [BoundaryPoint] glhemaokpa wet megapoint crowned!
    islamorada thanx arif for some reason i think of you a lot here & you certainly were with us there in bills defense i will say again iliamna means great lake
    Feb 05, 2001 @ 17:17 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1385. Re: [BoundaryPoint] glhemaokpa wet megapoint crowned!
    bill let me just say i did sort of design the buoy but jane aka jc is the artist of it & people do just as often call me mr capellaro after her & we are both
    Feb 05, 2001 @ 17:29 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1386. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cyprus
    gorgeous map jesper can you put your finger on the 4 de facto tripoints not sure i can yet m ... Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at
    Feb 05, 2001 @ 17:32 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1387. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cyprus
    SW circle: Greek-UK-UN NW circle: Turkish-UN-UK E circle: appears to be a Turkish-UK-UN Jesper ... From: Michael Donner To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent:
    Feb 05, 2001 @ 18:57 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
  1388. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
    Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File :
    Feb 05, 2001 @ 20:13 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com ( <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>)
  1389. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
    Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File :
    Feb 05, 2001 @ 20:16 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com ( <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>)
  1390. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
    Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File :
    Feb 05, 2001 @ 20:18 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com ( <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>)
  1391. glhemaokpa wet megapoint expedition photos
    Photos attached of glhemaokpa wet megapoint expedition (conjunction of Glades, Hendry, Martin, Okeechobee and Palm Beach counties in Florida s Lake
    Feb 05, 2001 @ 20:52 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@kua.net>)
  1392. Where is Chong?
    Anybody?? Please help. http://community.webshots.com/photo/460083/460107 Jesper
    Feb 05, 2001 @ 21:15 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1393. margins of error
    marathon again for possibly the first reported multi library day in history & if anyone was wondering it is not possible to do a quintilibrary day at all on a
    Feb 06, 2001 @ 05:22 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1394. glhemaokpa margin of error
    Recap from Mike s previous posting regarding glhemaokpa margin of error: our 2 gps receivers were not fully synchronized & actually disagreed in the end by a
    Feb 05, 2001 @ 22:26 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  1395. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cyprus
    Thanks Jesper for a nice map of Cyprus, but there is one oddity: it s the first one I ve seen that combines the main UN buffer zone (going through the island)
    Feb 06, 2001 @ 06:30 - rpalmber@abo.fi (rpalmber@...)
  1396. Re: [BoundaryPoint] glhemaokpa margin of error
    right bill & thanx for filling this in just right the fifth & hopefully last source of error is that the 20 foot buoy mooring in under 8 feet of water gives
    Feb 07, 2001 @ 00:00 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1397. Re: Cyprus
    If you liked the Cyprus map that Jesper found, I recommend the UN Cartographic Section web site at http://www.un.org/Depts/Cartographic/english/htmain.htm It
    Feb 06, 2001 @ 17:05 - m.a.pratt@durham.ac.uk (m.a.pratt@...)
  1398. Fw: Province Island
    ... From: Josh Calder To: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 5:31 AM Subject: Province
    Feb 06, 2001 @ 18:41 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1399. Neutral-Moresnet
    Some Informations to DEBENL and Neutral-Moresnet. Aerticle from Aachener Nachrichten 3.2.2001 Wolfgang Gärtner c/o Carl Kliem GmbH An der
    Feb 07, 2001 @ 15:38 - Gartner Wolfgang (Gartner Wolfgang <WGartner@kliem.de>)
  1400. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cyprus
    right rolf i have been pinning my hopes for the 4 de facto tripoints only on the strength of http:// www.lib.utexas.edu/Libs/PCL/
    Feb 07, 2001 @ 16:42 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1401. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Cyprus
    You know what? I have had the UN site on my links page for a long time. You should check it out. I have added a few links over the last few days. There is
    Feb 07, 2001 @ 23:46 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  1402. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cyprus
    Hi everybody (especially Michael) There are no physical boundary markers btw Cypriot and British territories on Cyprus, neither for the Dhekelia nor Akrotiri
    Feb 08, 2001 @ 06:49 - Rolf Palmberg LI ("Rolf Palmberg LI" <rpalmber@...>)
  1403. Iguazu tripoint map
    http://www.solartours.com/Destinations/Argentina/Iguazu/Iguazu2000-MAP.htm
    Feb 09, 2001 @ 11:50 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1404. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cyprus
    major thanx rolf & pleasantly surprised to have these firsthand accounts so i guess it means there may be hope of actually finding markers for the turkish pair
    Feb 09, 2001 @ 16:16 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1405. Lake Prespa
    http://www.virtualtourist.com/.107800/article/163/3/?s=231697750&xx@lo9281107800 tp Greece-Macedeonia-Albania
    Feb 09, 2001 @ 17:10 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1406. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cyprus
    Zoomable map of Nicosia, Cyprus http://www.traveltocyprus.com.cy/nicosia/ ... From: Michael Donner To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February
    Feb 09, 2001 @ 17:46 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1407. ATITSK
    http://www.3laendereck.at/
    Feb 09, 2001 @ 18:11 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1408. Hjælp
    Hej Peter http://www.gtc.cz/images/foto/p_cizov.htm Kan du placere denne? at cz? jesper
    Feb 09, 2001 @ 20:23 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1409. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Cyprus
    these canal zone maps seem to indicate that panama was never actually severed into 2 halves by the canal zone but that the zone was actually a hole completely
    Feb 10, 2001 @ 04:59 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1410. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Cyprus
    I have no idea whether PCZ was a hole within Panama or not, but on land it seems like PCZ divides Panama in two. It is possible PCZ boundaries on water was
    Feb 10, 2001 @ 06:45 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@yahoo.com>)
  1411. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ATITSK
    do they give a photo or other tripoint info there the only thing i understood was donnerstag m ... Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at
    Feb 10, 2001 @ 23:54 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1412. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Lake Prespa
    this is very pertinent i think the mentioned island agios achileios may be the one just northeast of where mile will be dropping his buoy m ... Get your FREE
    Feb 10, 2001 @ 23:56 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1413. Border Pictures Update
    Dear Colleagues The long waited update of Border Pictures have now taken place: The URLs are: http://www.image.dk/~jesniel/border/border.htm and
    Feb 11, 2001 @ 21:58 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1414. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Border Pictures Update
    Jesper, what a great job! This is impressive...a very nice resource! I really appreciate the work that went into this. Bill ... From: Jesper & Nicolette
    Feb 11, 2001 @ 23:36 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  1415. hahimapo quadpoint: "Have machete, will travel"
    Michael, Having sufficiently recovered from sunburn, hypothermia and near drowning, I m ready to do it again. The weekend of March 3-4 also looks like my best
    Feb 12, 2001 @ 05:31 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  1416. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border Pictures Update
    Jesper, Great job, excellent resource, nice design. vriendelijke groet, Eef Berns ... websites: - de grenspalen van Nederland: (border markers of the
    Feb 12, 2001 @ 08:57 - Eef Berns ("Eef Berns" <eefberns@...>)
  1417. Border Pictures
    Dear colleagues using Netscape Sorry for the bug in Border Pictures. It has now been corrected. And thanks for all the nice words. Best regards Jesper Nielsen
    Feb 12, 2001 @ 20:34 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1418. Fw: Encyclopedia of international boundaries
    Hi BoundaryPointers! Can you believe it. I got an e-mail from Gideon himself. Ask me if I was flattered??? Jesper ... From: Prof. Gedeon Biger
    Feb 12, 2001 @ 20:35 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1419. Additional glhemaokpa photos from Lake Okeechobee
    Additional photos from the 2/3/01 glhemaokpa wet megapoint expedition on Lake Okeechobee...
    Feb 12, 2001 @ 22:21 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@kua.net>)
  1420. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ATITSK
    jesper the joke must have been on me atitsk or the austria italy slovakia tripoint doesnt exist atitsi or the austria italy slovenia tripoint must be what this
    Feb 13, 2001 @ 17:56 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1421. Re: hahimapo quadpoint: "Have machete, will travel"
    ok bill i may get there sooner not sure yet no paper map the topozone 25k scale is probably just as good in this case my printed copy of it shows the road
    Feb 13, 2001 @ 18:35 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1422. hahimapo location
    hahimapo - location of intended another Florida four county point in early March by Mike Donner and Bill Hanrahan. Should be relatively easy access except for
    Feb 14, 2001 @ 04:06 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  1423. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ATITSK
    Mike There are also no kangaroos in Austria either. Sorry, but I messed up Slovakia with Slovenia. Jesper ... From: Michael Donner To:
    Feb 14, 2001 @ 05:42 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1424. RE: [BoundaryPoint] hahimapo location
    Bill, looks like a real short hike. Hope you find it snake-free. Has anybody made a compilation of all of the quad-county points in the US? I have started on
    Feb 14, 2001 @ 14:32 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
  1425. RE: [BoundaryPoint] hahimapo location
    It should be a short hike Jack, but I wasn t kidding about the snakes. About two years ago, I was bitten by a snake not too far from that location when I was
    Feb 14, 2001 @ 14:39 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  1426. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fw: Encyclopedia of international boundaries
    this is incredibly good news maybe we can pick his brain & vast experience now for some more particulars on our weak or uncertain points like atchde bedelu the
    Feb 14, 2001 @ 23:11 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1427. RE: [BoundaryPoint] hahimapo location
    http://www.egroups.com/message/boundarypoint/547 is a pretty good first or second try at compiling all the tertiary megapoints of the usa including
    Feb 14, 2001 @ 23:22 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1428. Norwegian border site
    http://www.hum.uit.no/a/schimanski/grenser/grenselenker.htm
    Feb 14, 2001 @ 16:43 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1429. Quadropoint
    Great Central Asian Border Expedition http://www.virtualtourist.com/m/.58964/694/?s=981097750 But what is the border gate? Jesper
    Feb 14, 2001 @ 22:25 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1430. disappearing messages
    Is anyone else losing the text of the messages from Michael Donner? I receive list correspondence in digest form, and for all Mike s messages over the last
    Feb 15, 2001 @ 09:51 - m.a.pratt@durham.ac.uk (m.a.pratt@...)
  1431. RE: [BoundaryPoint] disappearing messages
    Martin, I suspect that this may have something to do with the digest format, as I ve seen this appear on other lists...but I haven t been able to isolate the
    Feb 15, 2001 @ 11:36 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  1432. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Quadropoint
    my guess is that this probably refers to the pair of very close tripoints where kazakhstan & mongolia almost meet but are cut off by china & russia which do
    Feb 15, 2001 @ 15:51 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1433. RE: [BoundaryPoint] disappearing messages
    thank you both for pointing this out & indeed for caring i find i cant receive me in the digest either but can do so at the bp website so perhaps you would
    Feb 15, 2001 @ 16:00 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1434. more about the local points
    still thinking about the dangerous & uncertain bahamas cuba usa tripoint which must lie about 50 miles south of here here again being marathon at the moment &
    Feb 16, 2001 @ 23:34 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1435. Urumqi border
    Hello guys Can anybody enlighten me what border this fella here is talking about http://www.virtualtourist.com/m/.58964/694/?s=508497750 He himself has not
    Feb 16, 2001 @ 19:30 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1436. Re: [BoundaryPoint] more about the local points
    am really thinking now of taking a plane ride to photograph the bscuus or bahamas cuba usa tripoint from a safe enough distance so as not to provoke the cuban
    Feb 17, 2001 @ 20:30 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1437. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Urumqi border
    hej http://www.goldenbridge.net/SRG3.htm an interesting site in itself makes it clear that urumqi & turpan as well as the taklamakan desert far to their south
    Feb 18, 2001 @ 04:53 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1438. Dangerous tripoint
    Since some of you (particulary Mike) has a challenge with some national multipoints here is another challenge on European ground. It s a point I discovered
    Feb 17, 2001 @ 21:17 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1439. on bggrtr
    EDIRNE, Aug 5 (A.A) - Hamdi Sedefci, the Mayor of Edirne, proposed on Wednesday to establish a Free Zone at the Kapikule Border Gate and in a place where
    Feb 17, 2001 @ 21:39 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1440. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Urumqi border
    He says the wall and gate are in the mioddle of the Taklamakan. That is entirely within Xinjiang (Sinkiang) province in China s NW, so from that descriptino
    Feb 18, 2001 @ 01:23 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1441. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Dangerous tripoint
    Coolangatta airport on the Gold Coast has its runway half in Qld and half in NSW. Only a few roads cross the border, and none are reidential subdivisions, for
    Feb 18, 2001 @ 01:31 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1442. Re: Border rivers
    Well I am looking for a list where the river = border. LIke Danube forming the border of Bulgaria-Romania, but also the Orange River which forms the border of
    Feb 18, 2001 @ 13:30 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1443. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Border rivers
    The border around Baarle between pillars 214 and 215 (ie the main border, not the enclave) followed drainage ditches and canals etc for most of its length.
    Feb 18, 2001 @ 22:34 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1444. Fwd: Pool In Hinnom Valley (Jerusalem)
    Can anyone help this chap? ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at
    Feb 18, 2001 @ 22:46 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1445. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Border rivers
    Thanks for your help. I was just hoping someone had done the job already. Jesper ... From: Brendan Whyte To:
    Feb 18, 2001 @ 22:47 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1446. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Border rivers
    Using maps of Kaliningrad at 1:500 000 and 1:200 000, the village of Osmre-Bardo is at 20d59 E 54d21 N and staddles a river called Smroo[?]a Barytska, which
    Feb 19, 2001 @ 04:42 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1447. 1,000 feet over glhemaokpa...
    Attached are a few photos of my 2-18-01 re-visit to glhemaokpa...plus 1,000 feet. Unfortunately, relatively high winds kept me from descending below 1,000
    Feb 19, 2001 @ 18:34 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@kua.net>)
  1448. Re: Border rivers
    Hello, I signed up to BoundaryPoint a couple of weeks ago. I m very interested in all kinds of boundary stuff, like enclaves, weird boundaries, etc. I thought
    Feb 20, 2001 @ 08:00 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1449. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Border rivers
    welcome peter & highest regards especially for the quality of your analysis m ... Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Hello, I
    Feb 21, 2001 @ 00:06 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1450. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Dangerous tripoint
    glad to have you back in strength brendan & jesper you seem to have discovered another floating or at least aeronautic tertiary or quaternary multipoint for
    Feb 21, 2001 @ 01:01 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1451. Re: [BoundaryPoint] on bggrtr
    awesome baby another arising of everyones land looking for a place to happen m i hope mile of macedonia is tuned in too as this is in his neighborhood ... Get
    Feb 21, 2001 @ 01:07 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1452. florida multipointing schedule
    dear bill this schedule idea is half in jest because i actually prefer not to be on schedule tho i do trust we still have a solid green light for hahimapo the
    Feb 20, 2001 @ 17:30 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1453. RE: [BoundaryPoint] florida multipointing schedule
    Mike, I can t do it this coming weekend, but the weekend of March 3-4 is still solid green. Also, I ve been thinking about your US/Cuba/Bahamas tri-point.
    Feb 20, 2001 @ 19:30 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  1454. Great awesome news
    My new friend Peter Smaardijk have just send me some great links, and I am very excited to share it would you. First of all we have a NEW tripoint photo at
    Feb 20, 2001 @ 20:58 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1455. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Great awesome news
    yesss tripoint number 26 i think but which one is it the third from the left on the bottom m ... Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at
    Feb 20, 2001 @ 21:26 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1456. RE: [BoundaryPoint] florida multipointing schedule
    ok i will probably be working my way up to there then by the mentioned routing also my exuberant congrats posted earlier today seem not to have arrived yet at
    Feb 20, 2001 @ 21:33 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1457. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Great awesome news
    yep ... From: Michael Donner To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Great awesome news yesss
    Feb 20, 2001 @ 21:40 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1458. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Great awesome news
    & congrats on doing the hexaglyphs just so for both plskua & bggrtr m ... Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
    Feb 20, 2001 @ 21:46 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1459. RE: [BoundaryPoint] florida multipointing schedule
    btw locals here are evidently a lot more scared of how the united states air force might react to any uncontrolled or otherwise irregular reentry than of
    Feb 20, 2001 @ 22:01 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  1460. US/Bahamas/Cuba tripoint
    As depicted in the Miami [aeronautical] sectional chart, the common Air Defense Identification Zones for the US/Bahamas and Cuba don t intersect. At least
    Feb 20, 2001 @ 22:27 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@kua.net>)
  1461. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 1,000 feet over glhemaokpa...
    truly awesome bill this must be the cherry on top of the banana split hats off m ... Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
    Feb 20, 2001 @ 16:11 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1462. Alis Translation Solutions.htm
    Alis Translation Solutions
    Feb 21, 2001 @ 04:34 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
  1463. RE: [BoundaryPoint] 1,000 feet over glhemaokpa...
    I just wish I could have reported seeing the buoy, Mike! Bill
    Feb 21, 2001 @ 11:44 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  1464. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Alis Translation Solutions.htm
    hi jack it appears the body of this message may have been skyjacked or has otherwise eluded some members can you fill in or elaborate further best m ... Get
    Feb 21, 2001 @ 23:38 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1465. laorospo case closed at last
    bill you were right to make a long story short florida statutes chapter 177 section 031 paragraphs 13 & 15 & other laws i have been reading lately make it
    Feb 21, 2001 @ 23:56 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1466. Re: [BoundaryPoint] disappearing messages
    dear m a r t i n glad to report unlike the camping & loitering police of late the punctuation police have again narrowly escaped me for as a try pointer i do
    Feb 21, 2001 @ 16:22 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1467. RE: [BoundaryPoint] laorospo case closed at last
    That s great news Mike! If that s the case, can we generally assume that all Florida quad (and tri, I suppose) points are marked similarly? Do you think
    Feb 21, 2001 @ 19:05 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  1468. Border Joke
    The Michaels family owned a small farm in Canada, just yards away from the North Dakota border. For generations, their land had been the subject of a minor
    Feb 22, 2001 @ 00:12 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  1469. Re: Great awesome news
    Thanks for welcoming me. Let me explain about the plskua tripoint (see, I already know the notation). It is, indeed, the third picture from the left, bottom
    Feb 22, 2001 @ 08:30 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1470. Ile de la Conférence
    At http://www.multimania.com/nivelle/ile.html , as you already know, there is a picture of the Franco-Spanish condominium Ile de la Conférence. This tiny
    Feb 22, 2001 @ 13:10 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@and.com>)
  1471. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Ile de la Conférence
    another very nice one peter the photo in the link & the published map give reason to expect a pair of condominial tripoints at the ends of the island namely fr
    Feb 22, 2001 @ 15:45 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1472. RE: [BoundaryPoint] laorospo case closed at last
    yes all the many multipoints defined by section corner ought to conform to this legal standard but i think all the others not defined in such a way including
    Feb 22, 2001 @ 16:02 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1473. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Ile de la Conférence
    What I wanted to say was that there is some confusion about the name of the island. Ile de la Conférence is the small one, Ile des Faisans the big one that
    Feb 22, 2001 @ 16:05 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
  1474. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Ile de la Conférence
    Hello Peter Thanks for all your contribution, but I am very interested where you are based etc. Would you in any case be interested in GCEBE2001? Jesper ...
    Feb 22, 2001 @ 17:21 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1475. RE: [BoundaryPoint] laorospo case closed at last
    OK thanks Mike...please keep me posted if you would...I hope we can do hahimapo, but it ll still be there down the road . B ... From: Michael Donner
    Feb 22, 2001 @ 21:04 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  1476. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Ile de la Conférence
    According to the BBC documentary series frontiers , both the book and TV series, the islands (Conference) is administered for 6months by each country, which
    Feb 22, 2001 @ 23:15 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1477. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Ile de la Conférence
    ... The problem was which country was going to take people to court that commit an offense on the island. The following information is entirely based on the
    Feb 23, 2001 @ 08:24 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
  1478. RE: [BoundaryPoint] laorospo case closed at last with ps to peter s
    okeechobee city okee dokee bill we spent last evening & night by the port mayaca lock & the lake was a sheet of glass had we embarked then the whole round trip
    Feb 23, 2001 @ 15:41 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1479. a good day in the field
    crystal river first multi apologies about the multi aberrated data i have been posting lately it must be my new prescription & i will try to clear everything
    Feb 24, 2001 @ 18:46 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1480. RE: [BoundaryPoint] a good day in the field
    Mike, it sounds like your day was busier than mine...congratulations on your discoveries and research anyway. Yes, I m not surprised at the conditions you
    Feb 24, 2001 @ 20:11 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  1481. BBC's Frontiers
    This book / video is very hard to hold of. Do anybody know how to get it? Jesper
    Feb 24, 2001 @ 22:00 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1482. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BBC's Frontiers
    A quick search on www.bibliofind.com using title = frontiers and other words = BBC brings up a number of copies from US$6 to US$20. Brendan ...
    Feb 25, 2001 @ 05:09 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1483. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BBC's Frontiers
    There is a copy at IBRU, Durham. Else check online secondhand bookshops. Brendan ... _________________________________________________________________________
    Feb 25, 2001 @ 05:07 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1484. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BBC's Frontiers
    And the video? Jesper ... From: Brendan Whyte To: Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 6:09 AM Subject: Re:
    Feb 25, 2001 @ 18:38 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1485. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BBC's Frontiers
    Video probably available fomr BBC shops in UK??? May be in public library or universityl ibraries for rent/loan. I am not aware of online 2ndhand video
    Feb 26, 2001 @ 01:09 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1486. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BBC's Frontiers
    I have the book. I did a web search using used/rare book search engines and located a used copy in a small Ontario, Canada town. I sent them $15, and lo and
    Feb 25, 2001 @ 00:34 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
  1487. RE: [BoundaryPoint] a good day in the field
    thanx bill to be continued next trip of course or sooner also i was hoping we could lay your gps & a metal detector on the alflga tri state point this time as
    Feb 26, 2001 @ 15:28 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1488. Re: [BoundaryPoint] boundary-tripoints in europe
    Hello Gartner What is the name of the island on LUX-GER-FRA border? Staus??? Apach Jesper ... From: Gartner Wolfgang To:
    Feb 26, 2001 @ 22:26 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1489. hypothetical situation
    Does anyone know of any place in the world where a political boundary exactly follows a contour line for a substantial distance (excluding shorelines of
    Feb 27, 2001 @ 03:00 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  1490. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BBC's Frontiers
    what is the meaning of this pal also are these books & videos expressly about boundaries if so is there any coverage of tripoints any connection with your own
    Feb 26, 2001 @ 23:03 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1491. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BBC's Frontiers
    Michael: PAL as in format. Its NTSC (never twice the same colour) in North America, PAL (Perfect at Last -or- Picture Always Lousy) and SECAM (System
    Feb 27, 2001 @ 04:44 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
  1492. Re: [BoundaryPoint] hypothetical situation
    I am not sure if any exists right now, but I read about two cases where the boundary followed a lake-level at a certain time which happened to become contour
    Feb 27, 2001 @ 06:34 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  1493. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BBC's Frontiers
    PAL is the non-US tv system. NTSC is what you Yanks use, which used to be a haslsle, but now most videos will accept and play both coherently. No tripoint
    Feb 27, 2001 @ 09:59 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1494. Re: [BoundaryPoint] hypothetical situation
    Southwest National Park in Tas., and possibly others in Australia follow contours 50m above lake levels. I THINK Cradle Mtn national park might too. How about
    Feb 27, 2001 @ 09:44 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1495. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BBC's Frontiers
    thanxX doug & brendan the loony for you doug will come by usmails regular camel etc & in that case i must express brendan at least a toony for delivering so
    Feb 27, 2001 @ 18:04 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1496. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BBC's Frontiers
    You are correct with the currency tidbits. But, Canada has also introduced a new $10 bill. It is very European (Dutch) and purple (as it was). A new 5 is to
    Feb 27, 2001 @ 18:42 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
  1497. Re: [BoundaryPoint] hypothetical situation
    arif that marion taylor boundary cross situation sounded interesting enough to consider investigating on my way thru georgia this week so i just checked that
    Feb 27, 2001 @ 19:05 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1498. Re: [BoundaryPoint] boundary-tripoints in europe
    Hello everyone! As I remeber: Apach is in FRA; Schengen is in LUX and Perl is in GER. I can t help you further with the name of the island. Enclosed is a
    Feb 27, 2001 @ 19:58 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <h.ten.veen@tref.nl>)
  1499. Re: [BoundaryPoint] hypothetical situation
    Mike The Taylor-Marion boundary cross I thought of exists, only it was my mistake on the fact that the cross does not involve Marion County at all. I found
    Feb 27, 2001 @ 23:38 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  1500. Re: [BoundaryPoint] hypothetical situation
    For Brooks/Lowndes fragment, go to: http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=17&n=3391550&e=277175&s=50
    Feb 28, 2001 @ 00:20 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1501. Re: [BoundaryPoint] hypothetical situation
    ... Many boundaries follow drainage divides or watershed boundaries. the possibility that a contour would form part of a divide is vanishingly small. David
    Feb 28, 2001 @ 00:23 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  1502. maps within maps
    Look at the lake in the centre of this map of Geelong, Vic, Australia. What do you notice? Anyone know of any other examples of maps within maps? Brendan
    Feb 28, 2001 @ 00:30 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
  1503. Re: [BoundaryPoint] hypothetical situation
    David, I never meant to sound like saying that continental divide is a contour line. I just thought it was interesting as a boundary line. There are many
    Feb 28, 2001 @ 00:36 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  1504. DELU your Message No. 1499
    I take a look to the special-border maps (scaled 1:5000). The islands in river Sauer and Our are completly unnamed. Mostly in documents from 1818 they are
    Feb 28, 2001 @ 12:03 - Gartner Wolfgang (Gartner Wolfgang <WGartner@...>)
  1505. Re: [BoundaryPoint] hypothetical situation
    For Baldwin/Hancock, Ga fragment, go to: http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=17&n=3672657&e=293685 You d think someone would rejig the boundary, eh? Brendan
    Feb 28, 2001 @ 00:24 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1506. Re: [BoundaryPoint] hypothetical situation
    On http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=17&n=3672657&e=293685, I cannot see what is being refered to as a fragment or a jig -- the only line that looks like a
    Feb 28, 2001 @ 13:53 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  1507. Re: [BoundaryPoint] hypothetical situation
    that cross alone is so gorgeous to actually see on a map like in the middle of georgia man so now we have jungholz & baarle & maybe bengal with world class
    Feb 28, 2001 @ 18:21 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1508. Re: [BoundaryPoint] hypothetical situation
    The boundary is a straight line, and probably made sense in days of yore. Since the creation of the lake by damming a river, the boundary cuts through the lake
    Feb 28, 2001 @ 22:33 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1509. Re: [BoundaryPoint] hypothetical situation
    In Georgia, I personally am fond of the weird shape of Ware county. I d like to know the history of countyr formation in this area. It is a pene-enclave down
    Feb 27, 2001 @ 23:07 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1510. Re: [BoundaryPoint] hypothetical situation
    Very interesting that you consider a perfectly straight line to be jiggy! I have never understood at all why any of the BoundaryPoint people think it is odd
    Feb 28, 2001 @ 23:27 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  1511. Re: [BoundaryPoint] hypothetical situation
    Just my two cents - the tongues of lands jutting out caused by water boundaries in county levels are interesting, though not as interesting as true enclaves
    Mar 01, 2001 @ 07:18 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  1512. Pagiriai
    Does anybody know if the Pagiriai enclave (a small piece of Lithuania inside Belarus) still exists? I can find it in my (rather old) Soviet atlas, but not on a
    Mar 01, 2001 @ 14:25 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
  1513. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Pagiriai
    Hello Peter S., Peter H. calling...: concerning this Lithuanian exclave: I just checked my (Hungarian) road map on the Baltic states, scale 1:850.000, bought
    Mar 01, 2001 @ 14:38 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  1514. delaware tongues
    very neat analysis of this intriguing esthetic nuance arif having visited both the delaware tongues i can tell you the upper one at killcohook was created by
    Mar 01, 2001 @ 14:48 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1515. Re: [BoundaryPoint] hypothetical situation
    another nice esthetic analysis david i believe i agree with you & arif & brendan here in feeling it is the oddity that jacks the interest level rather than
    Mar 01, 2001 @ 15:21 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1516. Re: [BoundaryPoint] maps within maps
    that one is a beauty on many levels mate indeed i hope we can find it some mates m ... _________________________________________________________________ Get
    Feb 28, 2001 @ 18:02 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1517. Pagiriai and San'kovo-Medvezh'e
    After a more thorough search on the internet, I have come up with an article in the Belorussian newspaper Vecherniy Minsk, which appeared in 1996 (I couldn t
    Mar 02, 2001 @ 08:59 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@and.com>)
  1518. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Pagiriai and San'kovo-Medvezh'e
    Thanks Peter for your valuable info on the enclaves. This is the first time I ve heard the name of the Russian one. Thanks for the translation as well. Rolf
    Mar 02, 2001 @ 09:17 - rpalmber@abo.fi (rpalmber@...)
  1519. Sokh, Vorukh, and others
    There are three enclaves in Kyrgyzstan that I know of by name: Sokh, Shakhimardan (both Uzbek), and Vorukh (Tadzhik). On some maps I can find another enclave
    Mar 02, 2001 @ 11:56 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
  1520. new kind of hat trick
    dublin georgia with timely assists from brendan & arif & david comprehensive visits were made yesterday at the brooks county georgia exclave & at the plains
    Mar 03, 2001 @ 02:36 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <m@...>)
  1521. Re: [BoundaryPoint] maps within maps
    Where is the woulds largest map? In Denmark of course: http://www.visitverdenskortet.dk/ Jesper ... From: Michael Donner To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
    Mar 02, 2001 @ 20:05 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1522. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Sokh, Vorukh, and others
    There are 7 enclaves in Central asia: 4 Uzbek in Kirgizia: Sokh and shakimardan are the two big ones, and each has a very small one between it and the Uzbek
    Mar 03, 2001 @ 00:45 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1523. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Sokh, Vorukh, and others
    ... No, as in my previous post, there are 7 total, 6 in Kyrgizia (4 Uzbeki and 2 Tajiki) and 1 Tajiki in Uzbek. The article makes this clear too. ... This is
    Mar 03, 2001 @ 01:28 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1524. Ada Island
    Can anybody help to locate this island? http://store.corbis.com/search/about_pic.asp?navid=decorate/prints&imageid=10783847&alphaimageid= Jesper
    Mar 04, 2001 @ 22:11 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1525. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Ada Island
    It may be Croatia, but i doubt it s Albania. Croatia borders SloveniaBosnia and Montenegro along the coast, and Serbia, and hungary inland. It doesn t look
    Mar 04, 2001 @ 23:03 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1526. Re: [BoundaryPoint] maps within maps
    Sometimes those semi-porn sites I trawl give me more than I expect! This site about nudist beaches in Yugoslavia has a photo of 2 chaps and canoes near the
    Mar 04, 2001 @ 23:10 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1527. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Sokh, Vorukh, and others
    Thank you Brendan for the clarification. ... You are quite right. I should have read it with more attention. ... Wouldn t be the first example of a prime
    Mar 05, 2001 @ 08:08 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@and.com>)
  1528. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Ada Island
    Certainly not Albania-Croatia...! (there is no such border...!?!) My best guess is Croatia(the sign is - most probably - in Croatian!)-Montenegro
    Mar 05, 2001 @ 08:15 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  1529. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Sokh, Vorukh, and others
    That s the boys! got em all. Soviet maps from late 50s show Sokh was still connected to the rest of Uzbekistan. It seems to have been the last to be created,
    Mar 05, 2001 @ 09:10 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1530. schley taylor georgia boundary cross & clave
    well the amphibious unit actually splashed down in a swamp on saturday in south carolina thus delaying our return home somewhat but no matter for here are the
    Mar 05, 2001 @ 15:58 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1531. Re: [BoundaryPoint] schley taylor georgia boundary cross & clave
    Mike, Thank you for your exhaustive report on the recently found boundary cross. By any chance, did you check the Tiger Census maps of Taylor county to notice
    Mar 05, 2001 @ 17:35 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  1532. Re: [BoundaryPoint] schley taylor georgia boundary cross & clave
    ahhh not yet that promises some even more interesting research & search & discovery especially as the usual authorities differ m
    Mar 05, 2001 @ 19:23 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1533. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Ada Island
    Ada found
    Mar 05, 2001 @ 20:46 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1534. brooks county georgia exclave
    this is the one also recently pointed out & mapped in by brendan in http://www.egroups.com/message/boundarypoint/1520 so how could i just drive right by &
    Mar 05, 2001 @ 21:32 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1535. Re: [BoundaryPoint] brooks county georgia exclave
    correction that was the more easterly ellicott florida line not his 31st parallel line farther west m this is the one also recently pointed out & mapped
    Mar 05, 2001 @ 21:46 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1536. Re: [BoundaryPoint] schley taylor georgia boundary cross & clave
    IN terms of nomenclature, while in Tasmania recently, I noticed old French maps didn t call the Tasman peninsula in SE Tas a peninsula, but rather a
    Mar 05, 2001 @ 23:10 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1537. Re: Ada Island
    Ada is a deltaic island of about 4 km sq at the extreme south end of the Croatian coast. I believe it was once a swimming beach, and may still be. Its name
    Mar 06, 2001 @ 01:21 - Josh Calder (Josh Calder <jcalder@...>)
  1538. Ada correction
    I wasn t paying enough attention -- Ada Island is at the extreme south end of the Montenegrin coast, so the proper caption should be Yugoslav - Albanian
    Mar 06, 2001 @ 01:36 - Josh Calder (Josh Calder <jcalder@...>)
  1539. plains georgia circle boundary & others
    having slept thurs nite in a peanut field just east of plains we reached the boundary of this possibly most famous little circular city a veritable jimmy
    Mar 06, 2001 @ 02:09 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1540. Re: [BoundaryPoint] schley taylor georgia boundary cross & clave
    ok arif i have finally located on the tiger server a long horizontal shape & a stepstair shape directly below it both of them along the river border at
    Mar 06, 2001 @ 02:25 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1541. Re: [BoundaryPoint] schley taylor georgia boundary cross & clave
    I think this must be error in the Tiger map server. Have a look at the scanned USGS Reynold s quad on
    Mar 06, 2001 @ 03:27 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  1542. Baarle-enclaves : interesting pictures
    Appetizer for de GCEBE-ers: on http://kartoweb.itc.nl/kt/kt-online/nr4_text.htm you will see near the end of this page two pictures taken in Baarle-Nassau. One
    Mar 06, 2001 @ 06:00 - Eef Berns ("Eef Berns" <eefberns@...>)
  1543. Bidasoa-Txingudi
    Some pictures of the French-Spanish border at http://www.bidasoa-txingudi.com/ing/pres/pe1.htm The last picture, although it doesn t say it, is the Ile de la
    Mar 06, 2001 @ 13:30 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
  1544. Bidasoa/Txingudi 2
    Correction: the boundary is not a municipal one. I don t know what it is. Anyway, good maps are available from
    Mar 06, 2001 @ 14:18 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
  1545. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Bidasoa-Txingudi
    very interesting as usual peter & it looks like you may have turned up another condominial tripoint or 2 here so i am curious to know when you say much of the
    Mar 06, 2001 @ 20:51 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1546. Myanmar - Thailand
    Is this a Thai-Myanmar border post? Jesper http://www.umphanghill.com/rm1.html
    Mar 06, 2001 @ 20:52 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1547. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Baarle-enclaves : interesting pictures
    succulent morsels indeed eef that map & pic make me want to press on for an extra boundary cross in baarle because i once saw a photo on the internet very
    Mar 06, 2001 @ 21:25 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1548. Re: Myanmar - Thailand
    If it s any border, then it s certainly that one. The resort is very close to that boundary. Just look at http://www.waveconcepts.com/4winds/thai/raft.html .
    Mar 06, 2001 @ 21:19 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1549. Re: Myanmar - Thailand
    Here s your answer: http://www.umphanghill.com/picture2.html The photograph s called Thai-Myanmar . Peter S.
    Mar 06, 2001 @ 21:36 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1550. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Myanmar - Thailand
    It looks remarkably like the freindship bridge and border checks on the Thai-Burmese border a few km west of Mae Sot halfway up the border. I went there in
    Mar 06, 2001 @ 22:50 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1551. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Baarle-enclaves : interesting pictures
    My reply to the original post has been delayed by the email gremlins. There is only one cross, in the middle of a corn field. There are many jigs in the
    Mar 06, 2001 @ 22:59 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1552. Baarle post resent
    The main border in this area was delimited in 1974. To mark the occasion, the conical pillar seen in the photo in front of the church was erected. On one side
    Mar 06, 2001 @ 23:01 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1553. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Baarle-enclaves : interesting pictures
    thanxx for both of these tours de force brendan these map identifications & pix are just the ones requested in
    Mar 07, 2001 @ 00:32 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1554. New international island
    Spending some time yesterday with Peter H and Rolf P (the first border freak meeting in Copenhagen) Rolf told me about an international island between Sweden
    Mar 07, 2001 @ 06:31 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1555. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Baarle-enclaves : interesting pictures
    The main border in this area was delimited in 1974. To mark the occasion, the conical pillar seen in the photo in front of the church was erected. On one side
    Mar 06, 2001 @ 07:30 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1556. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Baarle-enclaves : interesting pictures
    Thanks Eef, very interesting indeed! A true appetizer ! See you in half a year! Peter H. ... From: Eef Berns Date: Tuesday, March 06, 2001
    Mar 07, 2001 @ 11:39 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  1557. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New international island
    There s a political statement if there ever was one! ... The island s name is Märket. As I remember it been told: the lighthouse s toilet is in Finland.
    Mar 07, 2001 @ 11:52 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  1558. Re: Bidasoa-Txingudi
    ... or 2 here ... all levels ... I d say the last one. There is no mentioning anywhere of the seabed. ... condos ... I don t, but I wouldn t be surprised if
    Mar 07, 2001 @ 16:20 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1559. Language "enclaves" in Switzerland
    Hello! You can find a map of languages used in Switzerland at http://www.eye.ch/swissgen/chspra.jpg . This map is interesting, because the map shows three
    Mar 07, 2001 @ 19:01 - Manfred Haertel (Manfred Haertel <Manfred.Haertel@...>)
  1560. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bidasoa-Txingudi
    peter this news & your reporting are both absolutely fantastic & your hot pursuit here amply fulfills my fondest wish for our group which has now truly become
    Mar 07, 2001 @ 20:15 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1561. Re: Bidasoa-Txingudi
    For the link: try this one: http://www.doc.diplomatie.fr/BASIS/pacte/webext/bilat/DDW?W% 3DTOUSTI+PH+WORDS+%27Figuier%27+AND+TOUSDATE+%3C+%2701.01.1960%
    Mar 07, 2001 @ 20:41 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1562. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bidasoa-Txingudi
    great thank you again & i will keep working on the treaty text link also neither my french nor eyesight are very good but are you talking about the same st
    Mar 07, 2001 @ 22:20 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1563. Map in a map
    There is a new national museum in Canberra, opening on sunday. TV coverage featured a quick glimpse of a pool outside the museum, that had an irregular edge
    Mar 08, 2001 @ 06:32 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1564. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bidasoa-Txingudi
    ... Yes, they re talking about the same stone here, but I will check with the photograph I made and with other sources, because there seems to be a difference
    Mar 08, 2001 @ 08:41 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
  1565. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bidasoa-Txingudi
    Aha! This tourist attraction was shown in the Pyrenees episode of frontiers , the BBC programme. Brendan ...
    Mar 08, 2001 @ 09:00 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1566. The scan of the Baie du Figuier
    ... or at least, that s what I hope. It seems to be a browser problem. Netscape can give troubles viewing this image. If you still experience problems, I ll
    Mar 08, 2001 @ 09:52 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@and.com>)
  1567. Baie du Figuier and Bidassoa convention 1959
    The location of the pdf file is : http://www.doc.diplomatie.fr/BASIS/pacte/webext/bilat/DDD/19590092.pdf Peter S.
    Mar 08, 2001 @ 09:57 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
  1568. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Language "enclaves" in Switzerland
    Hello, I was happy to find your forum : I had always thought that my fascination for enclaves and boundaries was a mild form of eccentricity better kept
    Mar 08, 2001 @ 15:20 - Alexandre Mauron (Alexandre Mauron <alexandre.mauron@...>)
  1569. Re: Language "enclaves" in Switzerland
    Thanks Alex for the information. By the way, I am interested in linguistical borders and enclaves as much as in the international ones. These boundaries are
    Mar 08, 2001 @ 15:42 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1570. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Language "enclaves" in Switzerland
    Sorry! The link should be: http://www.snl.ch/dhs/externe/protect/sprached.html Peter S.
    Mar 08, 2001 @ 15:45 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
  1571. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Language "enclaves" in Switzerland
    Thanks, I ll look it up. When I have more time, I will also check one of the political enclaves in the Vaud-Fribourg-Berne areas, a village called Clavaleyres
    Mar 08, 2001 @ 16:14 - Alexandre Mauron (Alexandre Mauron <alexandre.mauron@...>)
  1572. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Language "enclaves" in Switzerland (fwd)
    Greetings! ... Besides the interesting topical discussion on language boundaries, the key issue that we are dealing here with, is the one of SCALE. A key
    Mar 08, 2001 @ 16:46 - . s a r a . (". s a r a ." <sara@...>)
  1573. Re: Language "enclaves" in Switzerland (fwd)
    Thank you for the info. There are three Germanophone enclaves in the middle of Francophone territory (allbe it very small ones), and this is fascinating news
    Mar 08, 2001 @ 17:40 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1574. Smallest cantonal enclave in Switzerland
    Or at least, that s what it says in http://www.rva.ch/archiv/990721.html . It is the monastery Grimmenstein, which is an enclave of Appenzell-Innerrhoden
    Mar 08, 2001 @ 18:08 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1575. Re: Language "enclaves" in Switzerland (fwd)
    I found some information on the village of Chatelat (in the Dictionnaire Historique de la Suisse, http://www.snl.ch/dhs/externe/protect/textes/fF405.html). It
    Mar 08, 2001 @ 19:20 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1576. Re: Language "enclaves" in Switzerland
    On Clavaleyres: http://www.snl.ch/dhs/externe/protect/textes/fF391.html So Germanophone there. Peter S. ... one of ... called ... Fribourg ... not sure. ...
    Mar 08, 2001 @ 19:29 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1577. summary of frsp condo tripoints
    peter & all what a beautiful mess we have discovered here while also surely reaching a new high water mark in punctological pursuit tho there may still be more
    Mar 08, 2001 @ 19:57 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1578. st martins stone
    peter recently confirmed ... which raises the questions is the older mark technically supplanted & replaced by the newer or are the markers cumulative meaning
    Mar 08, 2001 @ 20:14 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1579. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Map in a map
    that is the wettest dreamscape i ever heard of m & how did the freakin popes line ever make it to australia
    Mar 08, 2001 @ 20:51 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1580. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Smallest cantonal enclave in Switzerland
    Sorry about still not adding Switzerland local enclaves in my web page. The Swiss enclaves are pretty fascinating. Kloster Grimmenstein is the smallest
    Mar 08, 2001 @ 21:02 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  1581. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Map in a map
    Ok, so what I am going to mention are not truly maps witin maps, but I thought it would be interesting nonetheless. In Queens, near the world fair site of
    Mar 08, 2001 @ 21:11 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  1582. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Smallest cantonal enclave in Switzerland
    no reason not to discuss anything that appeals strongly to anyone here we are all equally arrant bounders arent we m actually to be fair we yanks led by arif
    Mar 08, 2001 @ 21:25 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1583. Re: Map in a map
    In a book I have there is a picture of the 2nd map you mention, Arif. It is a truly big map of New York state. The photograph shows a lot of people walking
    Mar 08, 2001 @ 21:21 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1584. Saint Martin Stone
    My memory has played a bit of a trick on me. I have just looked at the slide I made of the St. Martin stone, and it is the very same as that on the picture at
    Mar 08, 2001 @ 22:11 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1585. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Saint Martin Stone
    ... ahh a bit of a trick on me too so i am psyched to see the picture but for now it seems that the stone i have been calling st martins really is number 262
    Mar 09, 2001 @ 01:10 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1586. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Saint Martin Stone
    ... Well, I know of a particularly nice one on the Dutch-Belgian border. Of course this is also doubled by a boundary marker of the standard type, but it is
    Mar 09, 2001 @ 07:46 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
  1587. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Saint Martin Stone
    ... Confirmed: I just found a tiny picture of one of the Austrian border stones, with a standard Dutch one in the background. It says here that there are
    Mar 09, 2001 @ 08:05 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
  1588. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Saint Martin Stone
    peter what a beauty nice shooting moreover i found 2 margarets of austria & both are even earlier than 18th c one d1611 & the other d1530 & another fascinating
    Mar 09, 2001 @ 11:10 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1589. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bidasoa-Txingudi
    well then were they making a point about the age of the stone or the circumstances of its placement or what if anything else was said about the stone per se m
    Mar 09, 2001 @ 11:11 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1590. Re: Bidasoa-Txingudi
    On this site:http://ecole.wanadoo.fr/baretous.64.louis/lajunte.htm , there is another picture of the stone. The number 262 can be clearly seen. The metal disc
    Mar 09, 2001 @ 11:55 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1591. Austrian boundary stones - Overslag
    Most fascinating to learn that there still exist old boundary stones dating back to empress Maria Theresia (she reigned the Austrian empire 1740-80)in other
    Mar 09, 2001 @ 15:52 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  1592. Re: Austrian boundary stones - Overslag
    In that case... Just a little appetizer: http://www.euronet.nl/users/in005814/webfoto-groot/overslag-gr.jpg This is from my own little web site. It is in
    Mar 09, 2001 @ 17:05 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1593. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Austrian boundary stones - Overslag
    Thanks Peter for the link with the most fascinating picture - it s obvious that one of the horses is Belgian, the other Dutch !!! Any other border pix on your
    Mar 09, 2001 @ 18:08 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  1594. oldest rock candidates
    thanxx to both peters for this very interesting & illuminating sequence if it is a bit of a letdown to see the 1375 oldest stone prospect busted it certainly
    Mar 09, 2001 @ 20:28 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1595. Tp photo AtCzSk + news on GCEBE!
    Hello everybody, great to learn that our group is expanding and so much alive!!! Just received some touristic material from the border town of Hohenau/March
    Mar 09, 2001 @ 20:45 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
  1596. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Map in a map
    http://kort.jubii.dk/scripts/map.asp?MAP_IMAGE_WIDTH=500&MAP_IMAGE_HEIGHT=250&MAP_CURRENT_X=9%2C64136188946334&MAP_CURRENT_Y=56%2C5904495265083&MAP_ZOOM_LEVEL=
    Mar 09, 2001 @ 21:43 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1597. Re: Map in a map
    It took a bit of copying and pasting but.. Yes, the northern part seems to have to elect another municipality council than the southern one. Long live world
    Mar 09, 2001 @ 23:24 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1598. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tp photo AtCzSk + news on GCEBE!
    multi gorgeous pete king of kings & be assured i am already drinking to all of this your new tripoint find is so mega idyllic & so just in the direction i
    Mar 10, 2001 @ 00:21 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1599. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Saint Martin Stone
    Belgium was the austrian netherlands from the end of the war of Spanish Succession (c.1713) to the French invasion and conquest in 1792. Brendan ...
    Mar 10, 2001 @ 00:24 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1600. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Saint Martin Stone
    Probably means Maria Theresa of austria? c.1740- Brendan ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free
    Mar 10, 2001 @ 00:26 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1601. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bidasoa-Txingudi
    I don t remember the stone , but the traditional costumes, cattle exchange, and lots of gaudily dressed American tourists wth chewing gum and outrageous
    Mar 10, 2001 @ 00:27 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1602. more old stones
    thanxxx brendan for all these & other recent essential data so the austrian stones upon the benl line may date from as early as 1740 if the supposed margaret
    Mar 10, 2001 @ 02:15 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1603. tri country points actually or virtually visited by us
    this update of message 1259 aka the list of lists especially honors the 2 most recent finds &or reports by both of our wonderful peters with notable assistance
    Mar 10, 2001 @ 03:06 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1604. Re: [BoundaryPoint] source of glhemaokpa almost found
    ... What about the South Pole? David
    Mar 10, 2001 @ 03:09 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  1605. Re: [BoundaryPoint] source of glhemaokpa almost found
    well it is my understanding that the highly conflicted & essentially unreal sexinational hendecapoint arauclfrgbnz did exist there at the south pole until the
    Mar 10, 2001 @ 04:38 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1606. revised summary of frsp condo tripoints
    please overlook my chasing my own tail here for it is all in good fun but i have taken another close look at the seemingly excellent yet disturbingly
    Mar 10, 2001 @ 05:46 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1607. Re: New international island
    ... border freak meeting in Copenhagen) Rolf told me about an international island between Sweden and Aalands Islands (a dependency of Finland). ... Aland
    Mar 10, 2001 @ 16:00 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
  1608. another old stone
    http://ecole.nevache.free.fr/PageUniq/frontier.htm looking & feeling like early 18th century at the latest this former intl bdy mon is apparently still
    Mar 10, 2001 @ 16:41 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1609. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Map in a map
    hey would you guys clue some of the rest of us in on this one you look like you are having too much fun here something metaphoric going on i think m
    Mar 10, 2001 @ 16:41 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1610. a north polar candidacy too
    the question of whether the south pole is still a functioning multipoint almost automatically also begs the question of whether the north pole is or has ever
    Mar 10, 2001 @ 19:23 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1611. Re: Map in a map
    According to this map, the biggest tourist attraction of Denmark (apart from Tivoli and Legoland, of course), that is mentioned in msg. 1532 by Jesper, was put
    Mar 10, 2001 @ 20:03 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1612. A former tripoint: chdefr
    When the Alsace was still part of Germany, the tripoint between Switzerland, Germany, and France was near the village of Pfetterhouse (at that time probably
    Mar 10, 2001 @ 20:41 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1613. Re: [BoundaryPoint] A former tripoint: chdefr
    very nice a paleochdefr i think the number of extant ghost tripoint monuments must be rather small since they appear to invite confusion & irredentism it also
    Mar 10, 2001 @ 23:47 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1614. Middle of the World
    There is a great monument, Mitad del Mundo , (Middle of the World), in Ecuador: http://ute.edu.ec/~mjativa/ce/mitadmundo.html Stand with one foot in the
    Mar 11, 2001 @ 01:29 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  1615. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Middle of the World
    very nice & given equatorial realities there is not likely to be a grander such monument anywhere i think i may have passed it once too on a crowded bus
    Mar 11, 2001 @ 02:29 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1616. a 1727 claim
    also apparently not far from the several just mentioned alsatians possibly from somewhere in moselle lorraine comes this bizarre yet still somewhat plausible
    Mar 11, 2001 @ 02:30 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1617. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Middle of the World
    ... But they are all out in the deep ocean. Greenwich itself has I guess a similar status to Mitad del Mundo-- special on one coordinate but not on the other.
    Mar 11, 2001 @ 02:36 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  1618. oldest working rock in the usa probably 1731
    http://www.angelfire.com/md2/polystate3/index4.html shows what is almost undoubtedly the original ctmany tricolonial monument referred to on pp 70 & 73 of
    Mar 11, 2001 @ 04:38 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1619. Re: [BoundaryPoint] oldest working rock in the usa probably 1731
    Mike, doesn t that black dot on the top of the old ctmany monument resemble the infamous laorospo blue dot? Bill ... From: michael donner
    Mar 11, 2001 @ 04:34 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  1620. Re: [BoundaryPoint] oldest working rock in the usa probably 1731
    ... hahaha well i dont know laorospo was orange by the time i got there but there is a possibility of a center dimple here the old rocks are just so rough hewn
    Mar 11, 2001 @ 05:43 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1621. Re: [BoundaryPoint] oldest working rock in the usa probably 1731
    So were we! B
    Mar 11, 2001 @ 05:38 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  1622. Links
    hello, some (hopefully) interesting surf tips: The Dutch Borderland museum in Dinxperlo, Holland has a nice site on the web at http://www.grenslandmuseum.nl
    Mar 11, 2001 @ 06:19 - kahbeh@hotmail.com (kahbeh@...)
  1623. Re: A former tripoint: chdefr
    The other Alsatian rock is on the border of Alsace and Lorraine. Since for the last century and a half these two lands always went together in traveling back &
    Mar 11, 2001 @ 12:21 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1624. Re: a 1727 claim
    No int. boundary marker, since it s in between Alsace and Lorraine once more, it s French territory all around nowadays. Still on the departemental border,
    Mar 11, 2001 @ 12:35 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1625. Re: Links
    A very nice Dutch site. Although I m Dutch, it is new to me.... It says here that in Dinxperlo there is still a boundary stone from 1766 there. It was part of
    Mar 11, 2001 @ 12:54 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1626. south pole
    Chile includes part of Antarctica according to Chile: http://www.meteochile.cl/pronostico.html
    Mar 11, 2001 @ 14:39 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  1627. Largest enclave
    Which is the largest enclave in relations to the main area? How about Equatorial Guninea? http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ek.html If the
    Mar 11, 2001 @ 15:48 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1628. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Largest enclave
    you feast us on some delicious & mind altering questions here jesper for first in the case of equatorial guinea tho far separated by the bight of biafra the 2
    Mar 11, 2001 @ 18:46 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1629. Re: [BoundaryPoint] south pole
    & oz even more emphatically includes part of antarctica according to oz per the govt site brendan has already provided & perhaps likewise some of the other
    Mar 11, 2001 @ 19:03 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1630. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: a 1727 claim
    valuable new data here peter in questing for the oldstone anything resembling a menhir gets all my attention since it is so likely to be mentioned in the
    Mar 11, 2001 @ 19:19 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1631. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: A former tripoint: chdefr
    i love anachronistic grotesqueries like atderu but this is delightful news also about my own favorite candidate for rock of ages for you have confirmed what i
    Mar 11, 2001 @ 19:36 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1632. Old tp AtGeRu near Myslowice/PL
    Thanks for the interesting link, Peter S. ! Although the picture is a bit unclear, it gives an overall impression of this old tri- point - Trójkatem Trzech
    Mar 11, 2001 @ 19:30 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  1633. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Old tp AtGeRu near Myslowice/PL
    your multi imperial point is made in large by http://dalmatia.net/belmonte/20th_century/a1914eu.gif a page from an online historical atlas with index at
    Mar 11, 2001 @ 21:07 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1634. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Largest enclave
    & another question i believe you have asked here jesper but you may or may not actually have meant could be the richest one of all namely which enclave i s
    Mar 11, 2001 @ 23:10 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1635. equators and such
    The main N-S highway in Sumatra also has the line painted on it and a small arch over the road. Tourist buses stop there for photos, but no major monument. The
    Mar 11, 2001 @ 23:21 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1636. Re: [BoundaryPoint] south pole
    At one point Argentina moved int s capital to Antarctica to shore up its claim. Symbolic only. I don t think the MPs wanted to leave their cozy B.Aries
    Mar 11, 2001 @ 23:23 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1637. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Largest enclave
    No. Enclaves have to be totally surrounded by one other entity. Eq.G. s mainland is coastal and borders two other countries on land. However, it is an
    Mar 11, 2001 @ 23:26 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1638. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Largest enclave
    Lesotho is not an enclave either. An enclave must be PART of a larger entity. It is an ENCLAVED STATE, which differes from an ENCLAVE, as is made clear by
    Mar 11, 2001 @ 23:34 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1639. museum map
    Here is an image of the mapping dreamscape at the new Canberra museum. Photo from The Age, Sat 10/3/01, p13. North is pointing to the lower left of the
    Mar 12, 2001 @ 00:12 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <b.whyte@pgrad.unimelb.edu.au>)
  1640. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Largest enclave
    ... Brendan, you have no authority to say this!! Neither does Catalud. I can state that Lesotho definitely IS an enclave, and Michael just said that, so now it
    Mar 12, 2001 @ 00:22 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  1641. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Quadripoints in Baarle
    I bet that no international boundaries in an around the Baarles have changed in the last few hundred years. Differences between maps will be due to error in
    Mar 12, 2001 @ 00:52 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  1642. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Middle of the World
    The main N-S highway in Sumatra also has the line painted on it and a small arch over the road. Tourist buses stop there for photos, but no major monument. The
    Mar 11, 2001 @ 02:09 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1643. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Quadripoints in Baarle
    wowwoooo i would like more light in this area too especially the quadripointing implications because i believe i recall brendan mentioning a rather recent new
    Mar 12, 2001 @ 01:51 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1644. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Quadripoints in Baarle
    As stated previously, there is only ONE quadripoint in Baarle, as evidenced by the Treaty of 1995 which finally determined the boundaries of the enclaves, and
    Mar 12, 2001 @ 03:06 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1645. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Largest enclave
    i have a map by prescott that shows the 2 apparent fragments of equatorial guinea to be connected by maritime territory & thus not to really be fragments at
    Mar 12, 2001 @ 05:11 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1646. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Largest enclave
    I think the martimie terr is an EEZ, and not territorial sea. Which means a foreign naval presence can move through it. But the point of rragments is that they
    Mar 12, 2001 @ 05:25 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1647. Re: [BoundaryPoint] south pole
    of course it wouldnt matter if they really did move their capital to antarctica legally they just wouldnt have it in their country any more the worlds first
    Mar 12, 2001 @ 06:28 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1648. Re: [BoundaryPoint] museum map
    looks fantastic i wonder if they deliberately made it from an east timorese point of view also how did they deliver on the popes line promise like did it have
    Mar 12, 2001 @ 06:53 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1649. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Largest enclave
    this is good stuff brendan & the distinctions are useful are you saying then that you think equatorial guinea does have an exclave as the question was about
    Mar 12, 2001 @ 07:07 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1650. Re: [BoundaryPoint] south pole
    On the subjects of entities having their capital outside of the territory: Chandigarh in India is a union territory, but also (or really: for reason of being)
    Mar 12, 2001 @ 08:01 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
  1651. Message 1636 of 1659 From: peter.smaardijk@a... Date: Sun Mar 11, 2001 12:54pm
    Subj. Dinxperlo Grenslandmuseum. They should have left these stones alone, all the more because in 1963 the pre-1949 situation was restored. Anyway, there s
    Mar 12, 2001 @ 10:42 - Gartner Wolfgang (Gartner Wolfgang <WGartner@...>)
  1652. Mystery conc. Tp AtCzSk!
    Hello everybody, conc. this Tp AtCzSk there s a mystery to be solved: 1- my touristic map of Hohenau/March, scale 1:10.000 indicates the proper con- fluence of
    Mar 12, 2001 @ 12:06 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
  1653. Re: Mystery conc. Tp AtCzSk!
    Well, in 1993 there was at least talk of shifting the boundary towards the already shifted river, according to
    Mar 12, 2001 @ 12:26 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1654. Re: Mystery conc. Tp AtCzSk!
    The regulation of the Morava river bed WAS followed by a boundary change, according to http://www.cuni.cz/carolina/archive-en/Carolina-E-No-102.txt.en (2nd
    Mar 12, 2001 @ 13:43 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1655. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Mystery conc. Tp AtCzSk!
    Thank you so much, Peter - for your instant reply and findings !!! Good work - btw: why don t you attend our boundary freak meeting in your own part of Baarle:
    Mar 12, 2001 @ 14:00 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  1656. Re: Old tp AtGeRu near Myslowice/PL
    Another, still unclear, picture of the situation in the 19th century (an old postcard) can be found here: http://www.most.org.pl/ok/minireze.html Quite a lot
    Mar 12, 2001 @ 15:08 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1657. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Mystery conc. Tp AtCzSk!
    bravos pedros for the superfine pointing at this great distance gcebe lives now in addition there may still remain an infinitesimally delicate question about
    Mar 12, 2001 @ 16:55 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1658. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Old tp AtGeRu near Myslowice/PL
    wow did i see a mystic triangulation with preternatural atmosphera iasu there or does my reading lack polish m
    Mar 12, 2001 @ 17:14 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1659. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Message 1636 of 1659 From: peter.smaardijk@a... Date: Sun Mar 11, 2001 12:54pm
    extreme thanx & congrats wolfgang & gartner as you guys seem to be talking here about the oldest known major working rock in europe & possibly in the entire
    Mar 12, 2001 @ 17:53 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1660. Re: Old tp AtGeRu near Myslowice/PL
    At first I thought it was my English, but when I had another look at the website I must conclude that it s definitely your Polish... After the picture they go
    Mar 12, 2001 @ 17:47 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1661. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Quadripoints in Baarle
    good brendan i didnt mean to provoke all that reassembly but it was quite valuable my only lingering question really was whether any former boundary crosses
    Mar 12, 2001 @ 18:31 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1662. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Old tp AtGeRu near Myslowice/PL
    ahahahaha you put a lot of good english on that one peter m
    Mar 12, 2001 @ 19:04 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1663. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Largest enclave
    in norman nicholson 1979 the boundaries of the canadian confederation i just saw the 1959 intl conf on the law of the sea gave all coastal countries exclusive
    Mar 12, 2001 @ 22:50 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1664. Re: [BoundaryPoint] museum map
    There wasn t a pope s line this end of the world, only in the atlantic, so i m not sure how that fits in. I hope to have more deatils when i can get a
    Mar 12, 2001 @ 22:42 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1665. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Largest enclave
    No. No claves, ex or en. The mainland bit i would call a fragment of the island, as the island has the larger population and more importantly the capital. The
    Mar 12, 2001 @ 22:50 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1666. Re: [BoundaryPoint] south pole
    The capital of Bechuanaland was Mafeking outside of that colony and inside S.Africa. When it became independent as Botswana, they had to rapidly construct a
    Mar 12, 2001 @ 22:55 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1667. Re: Largest enclave
    Martin, Why is it so important that the exclave is surrounded by only one other unit? In other words, why can t the municipality of Voeren in Belgium be an
    Mar 12, 2001 @ 23:00 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1668. Re: Largest enclave
    Oops... I meant Brendan of course. Sorry Peter S. ... the ... unit.
    Mar 12, 2001 @ 23:02 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1669. Re: south pole
    I know the (uninhabited) island of Clipperton falls under the French governor of French Polynesia, and the Scattered islands (in between Madagascar and
    Mar 12, 2001 @ 23:06 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1670. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Largest enclave
    Take the examples of Azerbaijan which has true enclaves in Armenia, as well as the larger FRAGMENT of Nakhichevan between Armenia., Turkey and Iran. An enclave
    Mar 12, 2001 @ 23:57 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1671. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Largest enclave
    ... Mont St. Michel is *****NOT***** disconnected from France at high tide, and was not disconnected from France even before the causeway was built, because
    Mar 13, 2001 @ 00:31 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  1672. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Largest enclave
    ... Ok, bad example. Use Lindisfarne instead: no causeway. But you get the point, there is a continuum of discontinuity from islands near the shore, all the
    Mar 13, 2001 @ 01:14 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1673. Baarle
    Ok, you asked for it. Here are two maps of Baarle village, one with roads, one without. Of the 30 enclaves, H1 to H22 are Belgian, N1 to N8 Dutch. The village
    Mar 13, 2001 @ 02:01 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
  1674. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Baarle
    ... indeed we did ask & ask again because you promised it in message 1201 in the midst of the most intense sequence of sustained collective try pointing
    Mar 13, 2001 @ 03:08 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1675. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Largest enclave
    thank you brendan also for this partial concession to my ordinary pedestrian usage of the clave words but neither my dogeared american heritage dictionary nor
    Mar 13, 2001 @ 03:10 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1676. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Largest enclave
    thats ok i am sure we would all love to hear from martin on this or any other topic & i too should have meant peter & wolfgang when i actually said gartner a
    Mar 13, 2001 @ 03:51 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1677. Re: [BoundaryPoint] south pole
    my 1997 almanac says biot is or are uninhabited so there are probably no governors there ditto for all the former falkland island dependencies btw m
    Mar 13, 2001 @ 04:00 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1678. Baarle photos
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    Mar 13, 2001 @ 04:05 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
  1679. baarle photos description
    I sent the photos and description earlier today, but sometimes my posts have never turnedup. Apologies if the original one comes through later... 5 photos have
    Mar 13, 2001 @ 04:32 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1680. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Baarle photos
    there it is folks the humble marker in the corn field one of the 2 or 3 most distinctive boundary points on the planet & the culmination of a magnificent
    Mar 13, 2001 @ 04:49 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1681. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Baarle photos
    ... iT S A HEAVY LOOKING PIECE OF PIPE from memory. Just osmething someone stuck into the ground so that when the combine goes through the corner is visible.
    Mar 13, 2001 @ 04:53 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1682. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Baarle photos
    neat so the marker is likely to have been just a very diligent guess by somebody & the quadripoint position itself may still actually be subject to an even
    Mar 13, 2001 @ 05:18 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1683. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Largest enclave
    ... My understanding of -claves runs along the same lines. Just to add to the discussion - and I m open for arguments to the contrary: I think there are three
    Mar 13, 2001 @ 07:48 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
  1684. Re: [BoundaryPoint] south pole
    ... Diego Garcia is formally a part of BIOT. It is a joint British-US Navy support facility. There are normally about 1700 British and US military personnel
    Mar 13, 2001 @ 08:12 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
  1685. Re: museum map
    Are you sure there wasn t a pope s line in Australia? As far as I know, according to the Tordesillas treaty a line was drawn somewhere near 50 deg. west long.
    Mar 13, 2001 @ 08:31 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1686. maritime sovereignty and jurisdiction
    There seems to be some confusion among members of the group concerning the nature and extent of state sovereignty and jurisdiction offshore. I hope the
    Mar 13, 2001 @ 09:59 - m.a.pratt@durham.ac.uk (m.a.pratt@...)
  1687. DENL pictures from Dinxpeerlo

    Mar 13, 2001 @ 10:15 - Gartner Wolfgang (Gartner Wolfgang <WGartner@kliem.de>)
  1688. DENL pictures from Dinxpeerlo
    Part two with picture 11-26
    Mar 13, 2001 @ 10:16 - Gartner Wolfgang (Gartner Wolfgang <WGartner@kliem.de>)
  1689. Re: DENL pictures from Dinxpeerlo
    Thanks Wolfgang, These pictures are truly gorgeous! It does mean, I presume, that more than one is left then? Or possibly the Dutch removed all but one from
    Mar 13, 2001 @ 10:22 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1690. Re: [BoundaryPoint] DENL pictures from Dinxpeerlo
    Just to know which side s what: The Gueldrian coat-of-arms: http://www.bng.nl/ngw/g/gelderla.htm The Muenster coat-of-arms:
    Mar 13, 2001 @ 10:28 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
  1691. Re: baarle photos description
    ... manager had agreed.
    Mar 13, 2001 @ 12:14 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  1692. Old tp atderu/Ile de la Conference/qp bedenl+Moresnet
    A very nice site about the old tp atderu: http://www.zollgeschichte.de/monatskarten/11_98.htm To continue: click on Dreikaiserreichsecke. Lots of old
    Mar 13, 2001 @ 14:55 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
  1693. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Largest enclave
    thanxx to peter & especially to martin for the further clave & sovereignty elucidations & i am glad to learn equatorial guinea is truly exclavic nicholsons
    Mar 13, 2001 @ 15:10 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1694. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Largest enclave
    another couple of refinements here for another couple of fascinating lists those of the topologically equivalent exclave bedfellows please add french guiana &
    Mar 13, 2001 @ 15:15 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1695. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Largest enclave
    ... I wonder if you can call Eq. Guinea exclavic. Is the island completely detached from the continental part? I would say not, because in order to go from the
    Mar 13, 2001 @ 15:10 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
  1696. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Largest enclave
    ... Jungholz meets one part of the definition ( 100% surrounded by another unit ) but not the other ( separated from that unit ). I do not at all like the
    Mar 13, 2001 @ 15:08 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  1697. National Post Story
    Dear BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Your friend dmurray@stockphotosonline.com thought you might be interested in this National Post story: Newfoundland, Nova
    Mar 13, 2001 @ 16:32 - dmurray@franticfilms.com (<dmurray@...>)
  1698. Story in the St. John's, NF Telegram
    Nova Scotia comes out swinging 3/13/01 By Stephen Bornais Special to The Telegram-Fredericton Nova Scotia says it is going for a first round knockout in its
    Mar 13, 2001 @ 16:47 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
  1699. Re: [BoundaryPoint] National Post Story
    And one more, from the Halifax, NS http://www.herald.ns.ca/cgi-bin/home/loadmain?2001/03/13+226.raw Doug
    Mar 13, 2001 @ 16:52 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
  1700. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Largest enclave
    whole hearted agreement here peter & i was especially glad to see your recognition of every mans land while now that we definitely have a lady present i
    Mar 13, 2001 @ 17:39 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1701. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: museum map
    brilliant this must be the explanation m
    Mar 13, 2001 @ 17:40 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1702. Re: [BoundaryPoint] maritime sovereignty and jurisdiction
    would st pierre & miquelon meet the strict definition you mention below m i mean while we are out here between nova scotia & newfoundland with doug
    Mar 13, 2001 @ 17:47 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1703. Re: [BoundaryPoint] DENL pictures from Dinxpeerlo
    utterly staggering rocks gartner the dated examples from 1766 & yikes even 1753 in pix 8 & 9 are the oldest i have ever seen dated unless you can confirm that
    Mar 13, 2001 @ 18:01 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1704. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Old tp atderu/Ile de la Conference/qp bedenl+Moresnet
    the ghost multi imperial point makes an even stronger impression on me when i realize that not only all 3 empires but indeed all 3 of their successor
    Mar 13, 2001 @ 18:12 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1705. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Largest enclave
    yes i agree & i see you have also anticipated my hole card point here too the overseas classes both the insular & the continental of so called claves dont at
    Mar 13, 2001 @ 18:22 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1706. Re: [BoundaryPoint] DENL pictures from Dinxpeerlo
    another question might be whether the word renovatum in pix 8 & 9 means the monument itself was a 1753 renewal & replacement of an earlier monument or means
    Mar 13, 2001 @ 19:36 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1707. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: baarle photos description
    As Denmark is joining Schengen is a few weeks, one issue has come up: You must bring a medicine certificate as you cross to another Schengen country. The
    Mar 13, 2001 @ 20:35 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1708. Re: Old tp atderu/Ile de la Conference/qp bedenl+Moresnet
    Ile de la Conference: you re looking eastwards. So the point towards you is the westernmost point (frfreses[number]). Still, it being at the meeting point of
    Mar 13, 2001 @ 22:19 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1709. Re: Largest enclave
    In short: claves should always be surrounded by dry land. We might expand this notion, and include territorial waters as well (inland waters (like rivers) are
    Mar 13, 2001 @ 22:36 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1710. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: museum map
    No, until Magellan no one knew the world was round, so couldn t draw a line on the other side. Remember longitude was a damn difficult thing to calculate for
    Mar 13, 2001 @ 22:38 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1711. Pope Line/ Oz tps
    No, until Magellan no one knew the world was round, so couldn t draw a line on the other side. Remember longitude was a damn difficult thing to calculate for
    Mar 13, 2001 @ 22:38 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1712. Re: [BoundaryPoint] maritime sovereignty and jurisdiction
    ... Thanks Martin. Enclaves are most useful when considered for areas of equal/similar sovereignty, ie EITHER internal units OR nations, OR EEZs/Highseas, etc.
    Mar 13, 2001 @ 22:47 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1713. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: baarle photos description
    you will have to buy my thesis when it is finished... There are two policement, one fomr each country, both offiecedi n the same room in the Belgian town hall
    Mar 13, 2001 @ 23:00 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1714. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: baarle photos description
    I d love too! Send us all the details when it s done! Thanks Brendan...I find those real world
    Mar 13, 2001 @ 23:11 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  1715. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Largest enclave
    ... In this case 100% surrounded by another unit does NOT equate to separated. Singularity! The 100% surrounded part means not more than one neighbour (ie
    Mar 13, 2001 @ 23:19 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1716. baarle monumentation
    There are NO monuments for the enclaves, neither along the main border between posts 214 and 215. In 1843 the border commission gave up trying to sort out
    Mar 13, 2001 @ 23:29 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1717. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: baarle photos description
    Before the EU there was... BENELUX. I think that helpd solve a lot of problems for Baarle, and EU is on top of that. Other W.Europe countries only have EU, so
    Mar 13, 2001 @ 23:33 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1718. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Largest enclave
    Even if one has some form of sovereignty over territorial waters, the difference with soil is that if I lean over a border fence and dig a hole in your country
    Mar 13, 2001 @ 23:38 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1719. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Largest enclave
    ... Not land locked-- land is irrelevant to the fiat objects we are dealing with here. But land-plus-12-mile-limit-locked. If one can reach international
    Mar 13, 2001 @ 23:40 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  1720. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Largest enclave
    But the major thing about fragments of nay type is ACCESS Anyone can pass through your terr. seas without permission. BUT they can t pass through your land
    Mar 13, 2001 @ 23:57 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1721. Front page and centre!
    From today s The AGE, Wed 14/3/01 The geographic centre of Victoria. Also known as h because it s the middle of nowhere ! or the Bracks of Beyond! (Steve
    Mar 14, 2001 @ 01:10 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
  1722. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Pope Line/ Oz tps
    It was widely known in ancient Greek time that the Earth was spherical, and Columbus certainly knew it, and on the other hand Magellan really didn t
    Mar 14, 2001 @ 02:04 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  1723. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Ile de la Conference
    first thanx for the tactful hint peter as all these franco spanish condo tripoints could be called frfrspsp only in my fractured isofips a coinage as
    Mar 14, 2001 @ 03:37 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1724. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Largest enclave
    ... wow i wasnt expecting this conclusion either evidently you dont want to consider campione or the malawi mozambique pair or any of the spanish moroccan
    Mar 14, 2001 @ 04:01 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1725. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: museum map
    according to my cheap encyclopedia there were 2 tordesillas lines both of them explicitly bipolar circles that of the 1493 papal bull set the line 100 leagues
    Mar 14, 2001 @ 04:30 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1726. Re: [BoundaryPoint] maritime sovereignty and jurisdiction
    a very telling point here by brendan so lets not mix oranges & apples any more from where the sun now stands i will no longer mention eez tripoints in the same
    Mar 14, 2001 @ 04:47 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1727. Re: [BoundaryPoint] baarle monumentation
    brendan please dont blame david or anyone for my persistent pursuit i realize it may be offputting to some but i mean well & am having a good time & not at
    Mar 14, 2001 @ 05:47 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1728. [BoundaryPoint] Re: baarle photos description
    ... I hereby order one copy, preferrably signed by the author, to be delivered when available. Cost is of no importance... :) Thanks for sharing all this,
    Mar 14, 2001 @ 08:30 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
  1729. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Ile de la Conference
    I think it s _you_ who s straightening _me_ out now, Michael. I was looking at the Descheemaeker map in my msg. 1481, but according to all the written stuff I
    Mar 14, 2001 @ 08:45 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
  1730. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Largest enclave
    My opinion (and I stress it is just that): dry land, which includes internal water (Campione, Malawi), and possibly (although I would go a long way with what
    Mar 14, 2001 @ 08:51 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
  1731. territorial sea enclaves
    Although the maritime areas pertaining to St Pierre & Miquelon and the Channel Islands are both surrounded by the maritime zones of another state, neither s
    Mar 14, 2001 @ 09:09 - Martin Pratt ("Martin Pratt" <m.a.pratt@...>)
  1732. Re: Largest enclave
    ... intervening ... sure on ... Is this standing international jurisdiction? If it is, I can think of countries that couldn t care less. I think of the major
    Mar 14, 2001 @ 09:37 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1733. Belgian lower order claves
    ... There are two exclaves (I would say)/fragments (you would say) I know of: the municipality of Voeren and the municipality of Comines-Warneton. They are not
    Mar 14, 2001 @ 10:03 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
  1734. Re: [BoundaryPoint] maritime sovereignty and jurisdiction
    But this is strange. The width of the band of territorial waters is the same from the islands as from the shore, I would think. The terr. waters of such an
    Mar 14, 2001 @ 10:09 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
  1735. Re: [BoundaryPoint] DENL pictures from Dinxpeerlo
    Note that the coat-of-arms of pictures 1 and 2 are different and not Gueldrian/Muenster ones! I will try to find out what they represent. Peter S.
    Mar 14, 2001 @ 10:31 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
  1736. Re: [BoundaryPoint] DENL pictures from Dinxpeerlo
    Your first picture, with no. 1 (862), I can now, with the help of your pdf file and a good map (Dutch topo map 1:25k), positively identify as the old tripoint
    Mar 14, 2001 @ 11:54 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
  1737. Re: [BoundaryPoint] DENL pictures from Dinxpeerlo
    I think (but Wolfgang, I d appreciate it if you can confirm or deny this) that picture 2 is the back of picture 1. The coat-of-arms on picture 2 is definitely
    Mar 14, 2001 @ 11:59 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
  1738. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Largest enclave
    Peter (and others), I agree exactly with this. Especially the part where inland waters or truly sovereign territorial seas can cleave a clave, that for clave
    Mar 14, 2001 @ 12:53 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  1739. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Baarle photos
    There are NO monuments for the enclaves, neither along the main border between posts 214 and 215. In 1843 the border commission gave up trying to sort out
    Mar 13, 2001 @ 06:59 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1740. Re: DENL pictures from Dinxpeerlo
    I have found an answer on the question on the coat of arms in foto 1. My source is the book Grenspalen in Nederland, T. Brouwer, Zutphen 1978. I will do my
    Mar 14, 2001 @ 15:36 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
  1741. Baarle photos
    Here are 5 photos of interesting places in Baarle. 1&2)The border runs through the bottle shop at H1/M3 and a furniture warehouse at H1/N5. They have marked
    Mar 13, 2001 @ 02:19 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
  1742. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: DENL pictures from Dinxpeerlo
    Good bit of research, thanks for that! So the stone is actually triangular. Pity it s not near me, otherwise I d visit it straight away and take a picture of
    Mar 14, 2001 @ 15:48 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
  1743. Jungholz
    Jungholz is connected to the rest of Austria by a single point. That is alrady established. On the other hand Germany is also connected with herself at that
    Mar 14, 2001 @ 20:38 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1744. Re: Jungholz
    You are pushing it a bit, Jesper! I could now start talking about singularities and mathematics and what have you, but I d prefer to look at it more
    Mar 14, 2001 @ 20:46 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1745. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Jungholz
    No one can own a point because a point occupies zero area or volume, and has no room for even one atom. On the corner connection, such as Colorado-Arizona or
    Mar 14, 2001 @ 20:46 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  1746. Front page and centre!
    From today s Melbourne AGE, Wed 14/3/01 The geographic centre of Victoria. Also known as h because it s the middle of nowhere ! or the Bracks of Beyond!
    Mar 13, 2001 @ 23:48 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1747. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: DENL pictures from Dinxpeerlo
    multi congrats to wolfgang & harry & peter on these extraordinary findings & collaborations i am so glad you are all here & able to do all this yeoman work or
    Mar 14, 2001 @ 22:33 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1748. Re: [BoundaryPoint] territorial sea enclaves
    a very remarkable & timely set of geographical & legal circumstances i would add & with the box seats you bring to us & us to history in the making m
    Mar 14, 2001 @ 22:34 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1749. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Largest enclave
    i would expect a good dictionary to go at such lengths just to describe claves & i think that is one very good reason why we have all been writing it mclaves
    Mar 14, 2001 @ 22:34 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1750. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Ile de la Conference
    ok wonderful that confirms & fills in a good deal & no problem about the tripuncticides i figure i killed at least 150 tps myself out in the ocean yesterday
    Mar 14, 2001 @ 22:35 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1751. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Belgian lower order claves
    cant answer the question but it reminds me from what you reveal below it seems the municipalities of the brussels region are technically on the same level as
    Mar 14, 2001 @ 22:36 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1752. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Largest enclave
    Lakes are part of one s territory, water and lakebed. Thus the Swiss are able to prevent Itlaian armed personell (police or military) from boating to Campione
    Mar 14, 2001 @ 22:52 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1753. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Largest enclave
    Any enclave, if recognised as foreign by the host state, as a consequence of that recognition must be endowed with the foreign sovereingty which necessitates
    Mar 14, 2001 @ 23:01 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1754. Re: [BoundaryPoint] maritime sovereignty and jurisdiction
    From the sketch maps, the Terr waters of some of the islands closed into a point which met the high seas. Thus there was a point connection with high seas for
    Mar 14, 2001 @ 23:06 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1755. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Jungholz
    ... Right So if Germany is connected is then Jungholz disconnected ie an enclave? ... No. BOTH are connected there, and yet both disconnected. That is why
    Mar 14, 2001 @ 23:22 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1756. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Jungholz
    i have been toying with a different approach to this question clearly countries are 3 dimensional objects & are therefore real or what i would rather call
    Mar 15, 2001 @ 04:44 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1757. checklist of possibly real maritime tri country points
    please confirm or rule out any of the following maritime tri country point guesses that you can &or please add to the list if you can any positive findings
    Mar 15, 2001 @ 04:45 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1758. Garden of Australian Dreams
    The garden from above B _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at
    Mar 15, 2001 @ 08:36 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
  1759. Message 1698/99 DENL at Dinxperlo
    Got the following list with some explanation s from grenslandmuseum at Dinxperlo Pic 01 Drielandstein mit Wappen von Bommen-Bernd Pic 02 Drielandstein bei
    Mar 15, 2001 @ 09:01 - Gartner Wolfgang (Gartner Wolfgang <WGartner@...>)
  1760. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Belgian lower order claves
    In Belgium, it s a remnant of the past. When Belgium was a unitary and not a federal state, it was simple: you had provinces and municipalities. There was (and
    Mar 15, 2001 @ 09:16 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
  1761. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Message 1698/99 DENL at Dinxperlo
    Thanks. That confirms it once more. Nice to know that bishop Bernhard van Galen is in actual fact Bommen Berend (Bombs Bernard). He is known by this nickname
    Mar 15, 2001 @ 09:43 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
  1762. re: territorial sea enclaves
    Michael, Given that you were probably working with pretty small-scale charts, I applaud your list of potential territorial sea tripoints. The only omission I
    Mar 15, 2001 @ 09:54 - Martin Pratt ("Martin Pratt" <m.a.pratt@...>)
  1763. Re: Message 1698/99 DENL at Dinxperlo
    For a little map when it was still Netherlands/Muenster/Bentheim: http://members.tripod.lycos.nl/robertscholtenahs/geschied.htm . It is the first map you see.
    Mar 15, 2001 @ 10:19 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1764. The Bosnian coast
    If territorial waters are exactly the same thing as dry land, then Croatia is a normal continuous country. But is Bosnia & Herzegovina landlocked? The point is
    Mar 15, 2001 @ 10:36 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
  1765. Another old stone
    Another fairly old stone can be seen at http://www.natur.cuni.cz/~kuhn/gallery2.html (Old boundary stone from 1672 north of Polesí near Rynoltice). I ve
    Mar 15, 2001 @ 12:37 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
  1766. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Another old stone
    How about the photo of the frontier path between the rock of Krkavcí kameny near Dolní Svetlá and the Luz hill with the modern monument? Would this mark
    Mar 15, 2001 @ 12:44 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  1767. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Another old stone

    Mar 15, 2001 @ 12:53 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
  1768. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Garden of Australian Dreams
    multi congrats to all the peoples of australia & of the entire world for reaching the day when fusions & rediffusions like this one of multi dimensional
    Mar 15, 2001 @ 16:41 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1769. Re: Another old stone
    FAB = Franz Anton Berka, one of the three lords whose seigneuries met at the tripoint that you can see at: http://www.luzicke-hory.cz/tourist8.html#Utri . At
    Mar 15, 2001 @ 17:31 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1770. Re: Jungholz
    I like this little philosophical reflection of yours, Michael. I agree that boundaries, and singularities all the more, are removed from reality. They exist,
    Mar 15, 2001 @ 17:49 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1771. philosophical reflections on borders
    A manmade line on the ground - necessary, yes, in order to prevent misunderstandings and chaos... the line itself shouldn t - in my opinion - be regarded as a
    Mar 15, 2001 @ 18:07 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  1772. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Another old stone
    Thanks Pet ... From: Peter Smaardijk To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Another old stone I
    Mar 15, 2001 @ 20:16 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  1773. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Another old stone
    Thanks Peter...(disregard that initial reply...I was having keyboard problems!)....now I m wondering if that frontier porch crosses the border more or less
    Mar 15, 2001 @ 20:18 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  1774. Re: Another old stone
    Alas.... The building is no more. According to http://www.luzicke- hory.cz/tourist6.html#Luz , the building burned to the ground in 1946. The circumstances of
    Mar 15, 2001 @ 20:40 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1775. Re: [BoundaryPoint] re: territorial sea enclaves
    thank you very much indeed martin today is a huge day in our tricountry point rainbow chase for we have arrived with this post from you at a reasonably
    Mar 15, 2001 @ 21:33 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1776. TP?
    http://multimedia.alltheweb.com/cgi-bin/search?offset=1&exec=search&cat=cat_image&query=dreilandereck&if_all=on&it_all=on&vf_all=on&vc_all=on&af_all=on&ac_all=
    Mar 15, 2001 @ 22:06 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1777. Re: TP?
    What is meant is tp atczde. Pity the link doesn t work (with me). Peter S. ... offset=1&exec=search&cat=cat_image&query=dreilandereck&if_all=on&it_al
    Mar 15, 2001 @ 22:14 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1778. Re: [BoundaryPoint] baarle monumentation
    ... I have the coordinates in the Dutch and Belgian national grids to the nearest cm. The Dutch cadaster admits that the on the ground accuracy is probably to
    Mar 15, 2001 @ 22:58 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1779. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Another old stone
    truly fab pet & i say that as one who just watched his fierce old tomcat expire but it is eloquent testimony to what a long way we have come baby even just
    Mar 16, 2001 @ 01:04 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1780. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Jungholz
    i more than agree with this peter & would only add that boundaries as we know them today & a fortiori their boundaries aka the tps appear to mark the very
    Mar 16, 2001 @ 02:09 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1781. Re: [BoundaryPoint] philosophical reflections on borders
    other peter speaking here ... hear hear m
    Mar 16, 2001 @ 02:18 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1782. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: TP?
    if you go to http://www.egroups.com/message/boundarypoint/1787 & then click on the link provided there & then scroll down to the bottom where it says results
    Mar 16, 2001 @ 02:33 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1783. Re: [BoundaryPoint] baarle monumentation
    hey thats cool for i believe it means we could conceivably hit a 10cm square in september just like the ones at laorospo & schley taylor without much more
    Mar 16, 2001 @ 03:06 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1784. Re: [BoundaryPoint] The Bosnian coast
    the bosnian navy could then at least have the pleasure of inviting the navies of the worlds 40 truly landlocked countries to come over & play in its bathtub m
    Mar 16, 2001 @ 03:20 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1785. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: TP?
    It s a fine one. You can see it better at: http://www.pf.jcu.cz/others/okoli/prir/trojmez.htm Peter S.
    Mar 16, 2001 @ 08:17 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
  1786. Pictures Ile de la Conférence and St. Martins Stone
    OK, I promised it, and finally they re there. Pics 1, 2, 3: looking towards the east. Pic 4: The monument (taken with a zoom lense) Pic 5: looking westwards
    Mar 16, 2001 @ 08:26 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@and.com>)
  1787. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Another old stone
    I m absolutely positive that there are older ones than those we have found up to now. Lots of these will probably have been moved, or they are still there and
    Mar 16, 2001 @ 09:05 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
  1788. Re: Ile de la Conference
    A nice but small picture of Donostia Airport Runway (with in the background Hendaye-Plage) at: http://www.bidasoacongress.com/euskera/home/bidtxin.htm . The
    Mar 16, 2001 @ 10:29 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1789. Former Dutch provincial enclave
    In an old school atlas (Beekman & Schuiling, 1927), I found to my astonishment that there used to be an enclave of the province of Drenthe in the province of
    Mar 16, 2001 @ 15:37 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@and.com>)
  1790. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Another old stone
    wonderful & heres wishing we may get to eat at least some of these alive tho they would be rich even as sausage in america one often finds the predecessor
    Mar 16, 2001 @ 15:47 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1791. Boundaries at sea
    I understand that the main interest of this group lies with land boundaries, and as an expansion of it, 12 nm terr. sea ones. But the EEZ ones are sometimes
    Mar 16, 2001 @ 17:54 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1792. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Former Dutch provincial enclave
    Peter, what a nice discovery!!! You must know, I live about 15 km to the NNE of Dingstede in the city of Steenwijk! A pitty it is dark already, otherwise I
    Mar 16, 2001 @ 19:19 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <h.ten.veen@...>)
  1793. Re: [BoundaryPoint] baarle monumentation
    I have the Dutch Topo coordinates in my GPS. Here an instruction can be found: http://www.d-d-s.nl/rd-grid.htm Does that solve your problem? gl Harry ten Veen
    Mar 16, 2001 @ 19:51 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <h.ten.veen@...>)
  1794. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Boundaries at sea
    fascinating & it almost makes me regret backing away from the eez tps for after all sovereign rights tps are no less real as tps than sovereign territorial
    Mar 16, 2001 @ 20:18 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1795. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: DENL pictures from Dinxpeerlo
    More questions and answers to our quest. My source is the book Grenspalen in Nederland, T. Brouwer, Zutphen 1978. Any other interesting stones in that book
    Mar 16, 2001 @ 20:12 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <h.ten.veen@tref.nl>)
  1796. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: DENL pictures from Dinxpeerlo
    way to go harry it looks like you do have a real winner here i mean i would say these quests are all different olympic events & we have many sorts of
    Mar 16, 2001 @ 20:55 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1797. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Ile de la Conference
    my guess is that the length of the piers or jetties per se will not affect the position of the tripoint which ought to fall in any case at the midpoint between
    Mar 16, 2001 @ 21:10 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1798. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: TP?
    also can you tell if the obelisk at the bottom of the jump page http://www.pf.jcu.cz/others/okoli/prir/plesne.htm has anything to do with the tripoint m
    Mar 16, 2001 @ 21:14 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1799. Re: TP?
    No. According to the web site (if I understand it well, because my Czech is not very good) it is a monument dedicated to the painter Adalbert Stifter. After
    Mar 16, 2001 @ 21:32 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1800. Re: Sweden-Norway islands
    Dals-Ed kommun was kind enough to send me a large packet of material, including the 1:25,000 Tresticklan Nationalpark Karta, which shows the islands of Sodra
    Mar 16, 2001 @ 22:04 - Josh Calder (Josh Calder <jcalder@...>)
  1801. Re: Former Dutch provincial enclave
    Another map can be seen at http://hagen.let.rug.nl/~s0165964/drenthe.html . Dingstede is at no. 13. BTW: This is a site about a border dispute between the
    Mar 16, 2001 @ 23:05 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1802. "Living Islands"
    While on the subject of boundaries across islands: Islands can not only appear and dissappear, they can also move! The island of Schiermonnikoog, like all
    Mar 16, 2001 @ 23:22 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1803. tourism in enclaves
    A professor from Arizona, Timothy Dallen, has written a number of academic articles on borders and tourism, and has a book coming out from Routledge in London
    Mar 16, 2001 @ 23:50 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1804. toward happier obelisks
    well thanx for running down that obelisk peter & i do apologize for the horrendously bad query it was the resemblance between hoogstift & stifter that got me
    Mar 17, 2001 @ 02:03 - jane capellaro (jane capellaro <j@discovernet.net>)
  1805. Re: [BoundaryPoint] toward happier obelisks
    i just realized also that there are some extremely thin but still real obelisks in many places along the caus & mxus lines &
    Mar 17, 2001 @ 02:48 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1806. oldest continuously working rock in the world
    it seems that the stretch of the denl line from denekamp to hardenberg which was identified by harry as the locale of the 1558 working rocks per brouwers
    Mar 17, 2001 @ 05:20 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1807. Re: [BoundaryPoint] toward happier obelisks
    It reminds me of the inmioh tp. I wonder how many tripoints are located in the middle of a working road? Bill ... From: michael donner To:
    Mar 17, 2001 @ 13:43 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  1808. Re: [BoundaryPoint] toward happier obelisks
    ... glad you asked that bill since it is really a megamultiquestion all rolled up into one & i can only speak of the usa tps with any confidence so there may
    Mar 17, 2001 @ 15:53 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1809. Re: [BoundaryPoint] toward happier obelisks
    Apparently, more than I had thought Mike! I was originally thinking more or less on the centerline , but you bring up variations I hadn t thought of. Bill
    Mar 17, 2001 @ 16:42 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  1810. For St. Patrick's Day: Ireland's "Bitter Border"
    Ireland s Bitter Border ...fitting for St. Patrick s Day. http://www.msnbc.com/news/536604.asp Bill St. Patrick drove the snakes out of Ireland...that s why
    Mar 17, 2001 @ 17:44 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@kua.net>)
  1811. Re: toward happier obelisks
    Well, not exactly an obelisk, but this is the centre of the Dutch triangulation grid as used by the cadaster and the topographical service:
    Mar 17, 2001 @ 21:07 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1812. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: toward happier obelisks
    what a beautiful & imposing construction this is it fairly suggests the idea of a national cadastral cathedral & a receptacle for a real point of reference to
    Mar 17, 2001 @ 22:55 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1813. Re: [BoundaryPoint] territorial sea enclaves
    martin it was a thrill to see the bahrain qatar icj announcement reported earlier today on the int boundaries list & i think all our members here must have
    Mar 17, 2001 @ 23:09 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1814. Re: [BoundaryPoint] For St. Patrick's Day: Ireland's "Bitter Border"
    ... hahahahaha hahahahahaha ah but i see they still have a few comedians there too m elk city kansas is a snaky tickle
    Mar 18, 2001 @ 00:28 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1815. Re: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
    ... way back in message 681 ... & indeed we did look into this in subsequent messages as many will recall & i do intend to visit the area literally later this
    Mar 18, 2001 @ 02:09 - barbaria_longa@hotmail.com (barbaria_longa@...)
  1816. LLHHPP
    Question for the dutch out there: In a treaty i came across the letters LLHHPP being used to signify the Dutch government in the 1700s, ie the States General.
    Mar 17, 2001 @ 04:07 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1817. gendered reflections on borders
    ... THAT s illegal :) ... Keep him in Baarle-Hertog someone... the Belgian part of the village doesn t allow the sex shop and private video booths that occur
    Mar 15, 2001 @ 22:39 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1818. Leurs Hauts Puissants
    Question for the dutch out there: In a treaty i came across the letters LLHHPP being used to signify the Dutch government in the 1700s, ie the States General.
    Mar 15, 2001 @ 22:36 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1819. Re: [BoundaryPoint] LLHHPP
    their left hand pages their left handed pages er no their left handed pitchers well then how about their lofty horse players their light horsepowers their
    Mar 18, 2001 @ 14:17 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1820. Re: [BoundaryPoint] maritime sovereignty and jurisdiction
    Peter, I think you are exactly correct, which is why such territorial sea enclaves are so rare, perhaps totally non-existent. The 12-mile french territorial
    Mar 18, 2001 @ 14:14 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  1821. Re: [BoundaryPoint] maritime sovereignty and jurisdiction
    i agree too & that is precisely why the outcome of this past fridays icj decision is so potentially groundbreaking er i mean such a potential watershed
    Mar 18, 2001 @ 16:19 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1822. Re: maritime sovereignty and jurisdiction
    I can only think of cases where there is already an area of territorial waters defined, but then some sort of an exception is made for the sovereignty of an
    Mar 18, 2001 @ 17:39 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1823. Re: LLHHPP
    I know in Dutch the members of the Estates General were generally referred to as the Hoogmogende Heren der Staten-Generaal . How to translate Hoogmogende
    Mar 18, 2001 @ 17:43 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1824. Re: toward happier obelisks
    Yeah, you caught me out. It is an old church tower. Still, it brings you back to the early days, when high spires were needed in order to see your next point.
    Mar 18, 2001 @ 17:55 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1825. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: maritime sovereignty and jurisdiction
    seems right to me also i just went back over the summary of the icj judgment tho i didnt read all the dissents etc & could easily have misunderstood what i did
    Mar 18, 2001 @ 19:46 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1826. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: LLHHPP
    seems right to me again & i actually tried this point m
    Mar 18, 2001 @ 20:18 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1827. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Former Dutch provincial enclave
    DINGSTEDE VISITED. Warning: Don t read this if you only like short messages! On saterday I was in the city of Utrecht and visited some (old-)bookshops. In a
    Mar 18, 2001 @ 20:27 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <h.ten.veen@...>)
  1828. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: toward happier obelisks
    seems right yet again here in our own first state also from the 17th or 18th century til the present the new castle county court house spire has been the
    Mar 18, 2001 @ 21:44 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1829. Re: Former Dutch provincial enclave
    Brilliant. I m looking forward to the pics. It is indeed Hesselinge on that old map. Those long s es can be a bit misleading. I happened to look in a Staphorst
    Mar 18, 2001 @ 21:58 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1830. Re: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
    Best place to check is the De Lorme state atlases, that for the westerrn states now have a centerfold showing land ownership by colur, so chequerboard
    Mar 19, 2001 @ 00:00 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1831. the canadian secondary points aka ca2 etc
    just finished nicholsons 1979 edition of the canadian boundary bible & for anyone who has only seen the 1954 edition i can at least report the following
    Mar 19, 2001 @ 01:16 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1832. Parisian enclave?
    The city of Paris (which is a departement in it s own right) owns the source of the river Seine. It was bought in the 19th century. I wonder whether it s only
    Mar 19, 2001 @ 13:05 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
  1833. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Parisian enclave?
    If you are interested in french territorial oddities, this is a good site to browse: http://communes.quid.fr/WEB/GEOPHYS/FR/Q016430.HTM Mats ...
    Mar 19, 2001 @ 13:19 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
  1834. Re: [BoundaryPoint] the canadian secondary points aka ca2 etc
    erratum in the penultimate thought below beginning with the word finally please substitute & possibly a few similar ones but minus the glacier where
    Mar 19, 2001 @ 13:39 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1835. Confusion Ile de la Conférence/Ile des Faisans
    Just note that in the Ile de la Conférence/Ile des Faisans item, where they try to shed some light on the confusion, they explain this confusion wrong, in my
    Mar 19, 2001 @ 13:35 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
  1836. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Parisian enclave?
    ahh wonderful you guys the source of a nations river & a complete survey of its political geoddity so i wonder what are the pointing implications of the
    Mar 19, 2001 @ 14:18 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1837. River sources
    Just some pics to start this pursuit: http://home.freeuk.net/elloughton13/sources.htm Peter S.
    Mar 19, 2001 @ 14:20 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
  1838. Thames - source and ... boundary marker!
    Following the Thames downstream, you will find an actual boundary marker! So what is the boundary then? It is, apparently, the boundary between the tidal and
    Mar 19, 2001 @ 14:26 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
  1839. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Thames - source and ... boundary marker!
    another first for you bring us here in a single click the only known river national or otherwise but of course it is a truly national one having both a
    Mar 19, 2001 @ 15:28 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1840. Re: [BoundaryPoint] River sources
    the game of pursuing rivers to their sources was first described by shultheiss as a traditional japanese ritual or art or sport & he even gave it the name
    Mar 19, 2001 @ 15:48 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1841. Re: [BoundaryPoint] River sources
    ... I know. Great Britain and the Netherlands were at it, and now Guyana and Surinam (Although fun is not the operative word here). The Corantyne should be
    Mar 19, 2001 @ 15:52 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
  1842. Re: [BoundaryPoint] River sources
    these links actually do seem fairly typical of the dissertations & meditations one can have with oneself alone while slogging up a particularly testy
    Mar 19, 2001 @ 21:37 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1843. potomac source
    on the question of which is the american national river the mississippi was looking solid for gold here until the missouri branch of the mississippi showed
    Mar 19, 2001 @ 21:39 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1844. river sources
    the first 2 pix attached below are of the true source of the true potomac & the last one is of the so called source of the so called mississippi m Love, Jane
    Mar 19, 2001 @ 21:47 - jane capellaro (jane capellaro <j@discovernet.net>)
  1845. namibian islands
    My messages always get delayed several days before posting in the last week or two. Anyone else having this problem?? Anyway, on with the important stuff: No,
    Mar 19, 2001 @ 23:00 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1846. Re: Sv: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
    the only one of these i do have is ne aka nebraska so i imagine you must mean nv for nevada & sheesh thats 50 simoleons worth of books but if anyone has any
    Mar 19, 2001 @ 23:14 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1847. Re: [BoundaryPoint] maritime sovereignty and jurisdiction
    No, i don t think so. The islands were only just offshore. Namibia will include them within her baselines and so claim 12nm from the islands. S.Africa included
    Mar 19, 2001 @ 00:06 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1848. Re: [BoundaryPoint] maritime sovereignty and jurisdiction
    I still don t see it. In that case, from the Namibian perspective, these islands are Namibian (they are included within the base line). So no South-African
    Mar 20, 2001 @ 08:05 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
  1849. Okino-tori Shima/Parece Vela
    http://www.vill.ogasawara.tokyo.jp/200kairi.htm You don t have to know Japanese to see the implications of tiny rocks on your EEZ. The only thing I can read on
    Mar 20, 2001 @ 11:20 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
  1850. Maritime boundaries
    A nice map at: http://www.maritimeboundaries.com/graphics/large_gmbd.jpg On EEZ s:
    Mar 20, 2001 @ 12:51 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
  1851. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Okino-tori Shima/Parece Vela
    good to see all these puffy balloons again especially that worldwide version in the next message & really cranking up for the first time on line now as it all
    Mar 20, 2001 @ 14:27 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1852. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Okino-tori Shima/Parece Vela
    On the site of the world map ( http://www.maritimeboundaries.com/ ) some very enlightening documents can be found. Especially the doc on median lines, and the
    Mar 20, 2001 @ 14:33 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
  1853. Re: Fwd: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Okino-tori Shima/Parece Vela
    well peter at least yours was a relatively small bubble that burst here this incredible new site has me bouncing completely off the wall because it actually
    Mar 20, 2001 @ 17:27 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1854. Re: Fwd: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Okino-tori Shima/Parece Vela
    whoops i just read some more fine print at this site & it seems a subscription still costs 3 grand a year with no absolute guarantee of completeness or
    Mar 20, 2001 @ 20:31 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1855. Fwd: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Okino-tori Shima/Parece Vela
    Yes, $3000, but... As they themselves say: (Median line document, page 4) Median line: published as interim boundary pending multilateral agreement; serves as
    Mar 20, 2001 @ 21:58 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1856. Re: [BoundaryPoint] maritime sovereignty and jurisdiction
    Exactly, this was the problem. Just like S.Afr claimed Walvis Bay for 4 years, 1990-94, then finally gave it back. The islands were also a source of
    Mar 20, 2001 @ 22:26 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1857. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Okino-tori Shima/Parece Vela
    You can translate Japanese to English at www.babelfish.altavista.com either type in the page to be translated or copy and paste the text itself. Brendan ...
    Mar 20, 2001 @ 22:28 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1858. Bits and Pieces
    I will be touching on a few subjects. First of all, have you guys checked up on the size of Zubara and associated land that Bahrain claimed on Qatar on map 2.
    Mar 20, 2001 @ 22:42 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  1859. Re: maritime sovereignty and jurisdiction
    Boudewijn Büch (Eilanden, 8th reprint of the 2nd., improved ed., 1996) talks about his pursuits to find any information on this geographic oddity. The name of
    Mar 21, 2001 @ 09:53 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1860. Re: Okino-tori Shima/Parece Vela
    Thanks a lot, Brendan! It works. Peter S. ... itself. ... rocks on ... tori ... dark blue ... are ... are ... do a.k.a. ...
    Mar 21, 2001 @ 10:10 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1861. Re: Bits and Pieces
    ... It came as a surprise to me. The situation in Arabia is almost ... Could you elaborate on that? ... Well, the churches and offices of the Holy See outside
    Mar 21, 2001 @ 13:34 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1862. Re: Qatar and Saudi Arabia sign boundary agreement
    i havent seen these new maps yet but doesnt this news plus last fridays icj news mean we are now 2 thirds of the way to our first actual maritime tricountry
    Mar 21, 2001 @ 14:01 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1863. Vatican 'semi-enclaves' in Italy
    In 1951, the transmitters of Radio Vatican were granted extraterritoriality, just as all those churches and other buildings that were mentioned in the 1929
    Mar 21, 2001 @ 13:56 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1864. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Okino-tori Shima/Parece Vela
    it must be your energy flow now peter i couldnt budge it like brendan sometimes not being able to get in for 2 days or me losing my cookies etc all the time &
    Mar 21, 2001 @ 14:16 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1865. Re: Okino-tori Shima/Parece Vela
    OK, I will copy/paste it here (the relevant part that is): 1 / 3 of our national 200 nautical mile waters occupies the Ogasawara archipelago which The
    Mar 21, 2001 @ 14:14 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1866. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Okino-tori Shima/Parece Vela
    hahahahaha hahahahahahahaa ahhh m
    Mar 21, 2001 @ 14:34 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1867. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Vatican 'semi-enclaves' in Italy
    it is not really fair to call the recent electromagnetic emissions of the vatican pollution like everyone else they have every right & indeed are right to
    Mar 21, 2001 @ 14:56 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1868. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Vatican 'semi-enclaves' in Italy
    I d guess that their electromagnetic emissions prior to the 20th century were fairly limited though. Bill
    Mar 21, 2001 @ 15:55 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  1869. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Vatican 'semi-enclaves' in Italy
    hahaha well i dont argue this hahaha i mean its ok as far as it goes m
    Mar 21, 2001 @ 17:32 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1870. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Vatican 'semi-enclaves' in Italy
    What the hell is this Yahoo! Groups Sponsor tag next to my signature? Not my idea, gang! Bill ... From: michael donner To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
    Mar 21, 2001 @ 17:34 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  1871. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Vatican 'semi-enclaves' in Italy
    it means you are the host baby a most awesome role & you do it well m
    Mar 21, 2001 @ 17:55 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1872. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Vatican 'semi-enclaves' in Italy
    Uneasy is he that wears the crown (or however it goes...) Bill ... From: michael donner To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001
    Mar 21, 2001 @ 17:51 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  1873. Re: Vatican 'semi-enclaves' in Italy
    Yes, and back then, they certainly didn t have problems like these: Mr Bordon [Italian Environment Minister] said electric lights in homes near the site come
    Mar 21, 2001 @ 18:04 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1874. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Thames - source and ... boundary marker!
    There was a good TV programme on the Thames recentlyhere, a British documentary, following the river from its source to the sea. The chap went to the source
    Mar 20, 2001 @ 01:51 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1875. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Thames - source and ... boundary marker!
    Brendan, is that term intentionally wikan ? (Maybe meaning Wiccan ?) How about wicked ? I need to know the correct fantasy I should be employing here.
    Mar 21, 2001 @ 18:20 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  1876. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Vatican 'semi-enclaves' in Italy
    The kitchen would be the LEAST of my problems. Bill ... From: peter.smaardijk@and.com To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 1:04 PM
    Mar 21, 2001 @ 18:30 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  1877. exclaves restored to everyones land
    great ones bill this morning i was blaming turkey & specifically the bosporus &or the dardanelles for being so narrow as to separate the black sea exclave of
    Mar 21, 2001 @ 19:11 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1878. Re: [BoundaryPoint] exclaves restored to everyones land
    er forget the white sea since that is a russian close but there could be scads more good ones off the coasts of asia m
    Mar 21, 2001 @ 20:08 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1879. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Thames - source and ... boundary marker!
    wiccan women, wicker men... ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at
    Mar 21, 2001 @ 23:44 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1880. parisian enclave?
    I checked French topo sheet #29, at 1:100 000 (Serie Verte) and although the source and St Germain-sur-Seine are marked, there is no indication of Paris City
    Mar 22, 2001 @ 02:14 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1881. exclaves of everyones land revised
    bottlenecks apparently narrower than 24nm apparently qualify the following international seas to contain exclaves of everyones land in the numbers indicated 3
    Mar 22, 2001 @ 03:31 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1882. RE: [BoundaryPoint] toward happier obelisks
    Michael, Did you peruse any of the other locations on the ksphototour site? Check #48 Southwest Three Corner Monument and you will find that four feet under
    Mar 22, 2001 @ 03:35 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
  1883. Re: [BoundaryPoint] exclaves of everyones land revised
    Most of these are *fragments*, not exclaves, as they are bordered by more than one country. BW ...
    Mar 22, 2001 @ 05:16 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1884. Re: exclaves of everyones land revised
    Dixit Brendan. I still disagree. Enclave is not the same as exclave. I think. My opinion. Peter S. ... more ... following ... numbers ... invited ... point
    Mar 22, 2001 @ 08:37 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1885. Spanish territory on/off Moroccan coast
    The territories that are well known: Ceuta and Melilla The territories that are less well known (but the members of this group of course do know these names):
    Mar 22, 2001 @ 09:29 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1886. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Parisian enclave?
    I checked French topo sheet #29, at 1:100 000 (Serie Verte) and although the source and St Germain-sur-Seine are marked, there is no indication of Paris City
    Mar 21, 2001 @ 03:06 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1887. Re: parisian enclave?
    Yes, I ve seen that map too. It seems to indicate that the source is in the municipality of Poncey-sur-l Ignon. A 1:25k map will be more precise, of course.
    Mar 22, 2001 @ 15:38 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1888. RE: [BoundaryPoint] toward happier obelisks
    wonderful reports from our inner kingdom of oz jack this is why you are king for the life of us2 it never occurred to me to use this resource this way you
    Mar 22, 2001 @ 16:08 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1889. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: exclaves of everyones land revised
    ahaha hahahaa sed quid cockabebbel dudes they are all fragments because they are all bordered by more than 1 country just like mclaves dictionry & brendan said
    Mar 22, 2001 @ 17:33 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1890. Re: exclaves of everyones land revised
    ... the really wonderful news for me & i think for everyone here is that ... multilateral ... hadnt both ... talking ... Well, I am from that same country
    Mar 22, 2001 @ 17:37 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1891. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: exclaves of everyones land revised
    precisely right of both of hugo & peter & continued below ... precisely right of both of you hugo & peter which is why i have scrupled so punctiliously to set
    Mar 22, 2001 @ 18:46 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1892. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Spanish territory on/off Moroccan coast
    Perejil was shown as Spanish territories in the two atlases I have from the 1950s. That is not the case now, even in a spanish encyclopedia atlas I have seen.
    Mar 22, 2001 @ 22:38 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@yahoo.com>)
  1893. Fw: Happier obelisks
    ... From: Jack Parsell To: Michael Donner Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 9:44 PM Subject: Happier obelisks Mike, Re message 1815, here are some pictures of the
    Mar 23, 2001 @ 02:50 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@gisco.net>)
  1894. Fw: Great Salt Lake Meridian
    ... From: Jack Parsell To: Michael Donner Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 5:07 PM Subject: Great Salt Lake Meridian After skiing up in the mountains near Salt
    Mar 23, 2001 @ 02:52 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@gisco.net>)
  1895. Another old Basque stone
    At http://www.geocities.com/ostadar.geo/o960211_g.htm , boundary marker no. 56 can be seen. The place is called Trois-Bornes (three markers) in French, and
    Mar 23, 2001 @ 09:47 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
  1896. Another old Basque stone
    ... marker no. 56 can be seen. The ... (three boundaries) in Basque. ... found that there is a triangular ... inscriptions on the two Spanish ... .... and has
    Mar 23, 2001 @ 09:52 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1897. Another happy obelisk
    This time on the European-Asian boundary, on the banks of the river Ural in Orenburg, Russia: http://www.osu.ru/~bvv/foto/orenburg/15.jpg Not really ON the
    Mar 23, 2001 @ 12:00 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
  1898. Another source
    The source of the river Elbe/Labe in the Czech rep.: http://home.t-online.de/home/Kleinbusfahrten/431.htm The 26 coats-of-arms are those of the 26 largest
    Mar 23, 2001 @ 14:20 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1899. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fw: Great Salt Lake Meridian
    thanx & salutes jack for this first reported instance of a point of origin both truly cadastral & truly cathedral if amersfoort proves to have been a splice
    Mar 23, 2001 @ 15:44 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1900. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Another source
    maybe not just another source but our first binational mythopoeic source since both germans & czechs might wish to acknowledge it as such these are
    Mar 23, 2001 @ 15:53 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1901. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Another old Basque stone
    this was most peculiar peter first both instalments somehow escaped delivery to me by email then i think i do see 3 stones rather than the 2 you see & none
    Mar 23, 2001 @ 16:22 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1902. breaking news
    well i cant keep a secret but its a good one just discovered that snake bill & brian have had several pretty surprises in wait for us at
    Mar 23, 2001 @ 16:44 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1903. Enclaves
    Michael, I don t recall any mention of Carter Lake, IA which is almost completely surrounded by Omaha, NE. Apparently the river changed its course and left
    Mar 23, 2001 @ 23:01 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@gisco.net>)
  1904. public land surveys have a boundary cross too
    http://www.ca.blm.gov/cadastral/meridian.html is a map of the entire united states public land survey system showing all the various areas covered by it & the
    Mar 24, 2001 @ 00:18 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1905. carter lake
    nice one jack it points up the fact that these oxbow backwater corners are almost as common along the missouri as they are along the mississippi but maybe not
    Mar 24, 2001 @ 01:25 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1906. Re: carter lake
    ... oops ksmone is 2 tps downriver from carter lake in the morning light m
    Mar 24, 2001 @ 13:01 - barbaria_longa@hotmail.com (barbaria_longa@...)
  1907. official wine
    Does BoundaryPoint have an official wine yet? If not, I nominate Enclave des Papes , a Cotes du Rhone that also says Domaine des Grands Devers on the label.
    Mar 24, 2001 @ 19:34 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  1908. Re: [BoundaryPoint] official wine
    mustve been pretty freakin good david & the jury are of course still out & i admit enclaves didnt sound so juicy as endives for winemaking at first but i would
    Mar 25, 2001 @ 13:41 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1909. its about official wine
    http://www.nativeweb.org/pages/legal/sovereignty.html presents american indian & other nonwestern views of sovereignty & territory even elucidating the islamic
    Mar 25, 2001 @ 14:17 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1910. Islamic Sovereignty
    Oops, I never did answer what I meant by the Islamic (Middle Eastern, specifically) view of sovereignty I mentioned in a previous e-mail of mine. Like all
    Mar 25, 2001 @ 18:09 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  1911. Re: official wine
    The Enclave des Papes is one of the five departemental enclaves in France, that Arif mentions on his web site (I think there are no more, leaving the Seine
    Mar 25, 2001 @ 19:21 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1912. finally: Austrian boundary stones - Overslag
    It took a while but here they are: two pictures of Austrian border markers near Overslag in the south-west of the Netherlands, taken in 1995. vriendelijke
    Mar 25, 2001 @ 19:53 - Eef Berns ("Eef Berns" <eefberns@dds.nl>)
  1913. 4 more crosses found at capitan grande
    thanx arif for the insight into islamic sovereignty that is very illuminating & indeed exciting to see how the common wealth is maintained & circulated in some
    Mar 25, 2001 @ 20:02 - michael donner by way of jane capellaro (michael donner <m@discovernet.net> (by way of jane capellaro <j@discovernet.net>))
  1914. Re: [BoundaryPoint] official wine
    The Biergrenz in Baarle sells miniature bottles of spirits with their name and a picture of the borderpillar next to the B-Hertog church of St Remi on it. I am
    Mar 25, 2001 @ 01:02 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1915. agua caliente review nets 5 more crosses
    a recent careful second try at diagramming the territory of the incredible agua caliente indian reservation in & around palm springs california that first &
    Mar 26, 2001 @ 02:22 - michael donner by way of jane capellaro (michael donner <m@discovernet.net> (by way of jane capellaro <j@discovernet.net>))
  1916. Contest "old border-monuments"
    attached i show you one of my oldest border-monument in Germany -dated 1360- and some explanations. This stone divides in present no legal borderline.
    Mar 26, 2001 @ 06:09 - Gartner Wolfgang (Gartner Wolfgang <WGartner@kliem.de>)
  1917. Oldest boundary marker ;-))
    A nice boundary marker of the Roman Empire, on the boundary Gaul - Germania, can be seen at http://websites.ntl.com/~ewan.villiers/sf3.htm Peter S.
    Mar 26, 2001 @ 08:06 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1918. pala mission reservation art
    the attached art shows 2 versions of the pala mission reservation territory in pala california as reported in detail yesterday in message 1920 the
    Mar 26, 2001 @ 12:47 - michael donner by way of jane capellaro (michael donner <m@discovernet.net> (by way of jane capellaro <j@discovernet.net>))
  1919. reflexions
    wow that last magic mushroom & peyote digest & indeed all our wild 1920s to be exact really made my head spin thank you the smokinest news on the reservation
    Mar 26, 2001 @ 15:06 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1920. Re: reflexions
    ... Rüsselsheim am Main Heutiger Standort: Festungsmuseum der Stadt Rüsselsheim Text: (Lapid)e indicitur, quanto
    Mar 26, 2001 @ 18:26 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1921. 1360 by wolfgang
    thank you peter so it sounds as tho what you are all feasting your eyes on there is the earliest known boundary monument still in existence anywhere whether
    Mar 26, 2001 @ 19:59 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1922. santa rosa reservation art
    cubist blanket with smoke puffs also 3 dots in sign language speechless m Love, Jane
    Mar 26, 2001 @ 21:32 - jane capellaro (jane capellaro <j@discovernet.net>)
  1923. second & probably last checkerboard reservation found
    after several fairly interesting near misses a reasonably good companion has finally been found for the checkerboard reservation in palm springs this new one
    Mar 27, 2001 @ 04:39 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1924. Re: reflexions
    ... Nassau..... It was, of course, not placed THERE (in the museum) by Frederick of N., but on it s original location (as you probably already guessed). Just
    Mar 27, 2001 @ 07:51 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1925. NoSe border islands - map!
    Hello everybody, attached you ll find a map of Tresticklan National Park , a park situated close to the border between No+Se - interesting to see the two
    Mar 27, 2001 @ 13:44 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
  1926. Re: [BoundaryPoint] NoSe border islands - map!
    ... border islets are very interesting & enjoyable especially if monumented & anyway i think we would follow you guys wherever you point your nose at least
    Mar 27, 2001 @ 18:33 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1927. checkerboard art & making a tribe whole again
    the latest talk of making the torres martinez checkerboard tribe whole again seeing as 17 of its 43 boundary crosses became inundated 100 years ago owing to a
    Mar 27, 2001 @ 22:11 - michael donner by way of jane capellaro (michael donner <m@discovernet.net> (by way of jane capellaro <j@discovernet.net>))
  1928. Re: [BoundaryPoint] checkerboard art & making a tribe whole again
    The bill ALLOWS them to purchase land? Why can t they purchase it normally? B _________________________________________________________________________ Get
    Mar 27, 2001 @ 23:53 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1929. Ruesselsheim Boundary-Stone dated 1360
    Sorry, but I prefer .pdf-files for presenting my formatted documents, which i wrote in MS-Office-Word XP. An ACROBAT-READER is available free for everyone.
    Mar 28, 2001 @ 05:40 - Gartner Wolfgang (Gartner Wolfgang <WGartner@kliem.de>)
  1930. Re: NoSe border islands - map!
    Peter H., Can you tell me which dashed line the international boundary actually is? The straight one that is really dashed, or the dotted line running from one
    Mar 28, 2001 @ 06:56 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1931. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: NoSe border islands - map!
    I would guess the highest point on each islet, to ensure intervisibility of markers, and while splitting the islands seems a little funny, it does make it easy
    Mar 28, 2001 @ 08:18 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1932. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: NoSe border islands - map!
    Hi Peter S., good questions: the actual boundary line is in fact the dotted line that runs in a straight direction thru the lake Södra Boksjön touching -
    Mar 28, 2001 @ 08:48 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  1933. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Ruesselsheim Boundary-Stone dated 1360
    thank you very much indeed wolfgang & it is i who should apologize for the technical backwardness these pix are absolutely staggering to see tho exquisite
    Mar 28, 2001 @ 14:27 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1934. Re: [BoundaryPoint] checkerboard art & making a tribe whole again
    ... good question & frankly i had just assumed this was the simple result of their normal status of dispossession both economic & civil but it seems their
    Mar 28, 2001 @ 15:19 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1935. Re: [BoundaryPoint] checkerboard art & making a tribe whole again
    excuse me the cahuilla black & white creation story link should have been http://www4.hmc.edu:8001/humanities/indigenous/Cahuilla.htm & is heartily recommended
    Mar 28, 2001 @ 15:46 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1936. Tripoint BeGeNe: informationcentre
    In a Dutch newspaper (Volkskrant, 24-03-2001) there was an article of Rudi Rotthier on the tripoint BeGeNe. Most important and new information (to me at least)
    Mar 28, 2001 @ 21:49 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <h.ten.veen@...>)
  1937. Two sites
    I would like to mention two map sites, one each for the last two threads of mailings. Firstly, the site http://www.gdsc.bia.gov/districts/ is good for indian
    Mar 28, 2001 @ 23:23 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  1938. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoint BeGeNe: informationcentre
    I had to look up Belvedere in my dictionary. He means of course the viewing tower, the Tour Badouin (sp?) just inside the Belgian angle at the tripoint. When I
    Mar 29, 2001 @ 00:19 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1939. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Two sites
    thanx arif this is just the site i was hoping would exist but couldnt find & what a shock to see all the many new scattershot land areas & all the resulting
    Mar 29, 2001 @ 02:52 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1940. zeroing in on breintenstein
    the exact locality of the stone of the 12 apostles mentioned & shown in message 1642 is evidently too tiny to appear on most maps but you can get an idea of
    Mar 29, 2001 @ 02:53 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1941. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Two sites
    Here are your three extremely zoomed-in divided islands, from the site. I just made a screen dump and cropped the pictures (don t tell Statens Kartverk I did
    Mar 29, 2001 @ 07:29 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@and.com>)
  1942. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoint BeGeNe: informationcentre
    The salient can be seen at the bottom of
    Mar 29, 2001 @ 08:14 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
  1943. Re: zeroing in on breintenstein
    At this site: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/mairie.wingen-moder/1_patrim.htm (site of the municipality of Wingen-sur-Moder), there is talk of three stones:
    Mar 29, 2001 @ 09:00 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1944. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: zeroing in on breintenstein
    back to the roman ages would indeed be interesting dear asterix especially since interprovincial boundaries were generally just the domesticated successors of
    Mar 29, 2001 @ 16:20 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1945. good fellow rock
    http://ecole.nevache.free.fr/PageUniq/frontier.htm shows another handsome old international rock evidently still functioning as a french interregional
    Mar 29, 2001 @ 20:51 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1946. 30 days to find a frbr stone but why
    http://www.m6.fr/emissions/impossible/guyane.htm & 4 jump pages with possible video stream describe a 30 day expedition to recover an apparently ordinary frbr
    Mar 29, 2001 @ 22:26 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1947. Re: [BoundaryPoint] good fellow rock
    There are still people who would like to restore that pretty border stone to international service: http://notre.savoie.free.fr/ Peter S.
    Mar 30, 2001 @ 07:44 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
  1948. Boundary stone France-Savoy/Piemont
    http://clubdescentcols.multimania.com/centcols/libre_service/col_des_rochil= les.htm The thing is apparently numbered (no. 92)! It s sitting on the Seuil des
    Mar 30, 2001 @ 08:32 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1949. Re: [BoundaryPoint] good fellow rock
    good fellow bringing just the perfect next part of the story twice again both here below & at the col these important historical details push the possible
    Mar 30, 2001 @ 15:28 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1950. Lithuanian disenclavement
    I have official confirmation of the removal of the Lithuanian enclave of Pagiriai in Belarus from the Lithuanian Foreign Ministry. Could someone post this to
    Mar 29, 2001 @ 00:42 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1951. final indian checkerboard & cross counts
    after further experimentation & checking against state topo index maps & also against individual topo quads i can report that the zoomable indian reservation
    Mar 30, 2001 @ 20:03 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1952. Re: final indian checkerboard & cross counts
    I ve been following this quest for a while now, and not knowing a lot about Indian reservations and regulations concerning these, I am getting a bit curious
    Mar 30, 2001 @ 21:20 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1953. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: final indian checkerboard & cross counts
    well it is a hard question but i think the few true checkerboard reservations actually were an original invention of president grant tho possibly an
    Mar 30, 2001 @ 23:36 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1954. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: final indian checkerboard & cross counts
    From what I understand, when the railroads were built west in the 1800s, the govt granted the lands for so many miles either side of the tracks to the railroad
    Mar 31, 2001 @ 02:15 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1955. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 30 days to find a frbr stone but why
    So, it s not just the Brasilian farmers and McDonalds but also the French army who fell Amazon rainforest. An interesting alliance: McDonalds and the French! B
    Mar 30, 2001 @ 00:27 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1956. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 30 days to find a frbr stone but why
    ... a mcdalliance hey but at least we are talkin french here m er do you mean that whole trip was just for lumbering
    Mar 31, 2001 @ 13:37 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1957. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: final indian checkerboard & cross counts
    brendan please your point about the illegal cuban commie druglords is well made & well taken but ... the railroad checkerboard grants included rights to any
    Mar 31, 2001 @ 14:29 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1958. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Lithuanian disenclavement
    also brendan &or especially anyone who can i have tried to repost this interesting word from you for you but i evidently lack the necessary cookies so it
    Mar 31, 2001 @ 15:32 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1959. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoint BeGeNe: informationcentre
    The railway line goes into a tunnel at the beginning of the word Geusenweg, but misses the tripoint as it tunnels under the hill towards Belgium. Almost the
    Mar 29, 2001 @ 12:00 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1960. Tp Mocam-Zimb-S Afr
    Aka Crooks Corner No picture I am afraid, but according to a new book I bougt on the Kruger Park there is a monument. The book also states that in the old days
    Mar 31, 2001 @ 19:53 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1961. Poss TP
    http://www.mandela.de/suedafrika/mbuzini/mbuzinihtm.htm
    Mar 31, 2001 @ 21:02 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1962. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tp Mocam-Zimb-S Afr
    ok we must be closing in on this one now as of message 1062 we were still under the impression that it was unmarked or even under water but now it seems there
    Mar 31, 2001 @ 23:27 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1963. Re: [BoundaryPoint] final indian checkerboard & cross counts
    When I supplied the Indian Reservation web page, I never meant it to be the final authority on the reservations, but more as a counterpoint to Delorme and
    Mar 31, 2001 @ 19:25 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  1964. Austrlaian state borders: SA/Vic
    Pictures of pillars along a survey of the 36th parallel in Vic to the SA border, and some info on the border.
    Apr 01, 2001 @ 02:19 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1965. atchlin & lin & lil
    photo at http://www.unterland.li/state/ruggell.htm faces north down the rhine valley from the northernmost community in liechtenstein toward the northerly twin
    Apr 01, 2001 @ 13:22 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1966. a narrowly close bccwwa trio try
    the towers in the first & last photos here by doug http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Cabana/9282/pointroberts2.html actually mark or very narrowly miss but
    Apr 01, 2001 @ 15:12 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1967. Re: [BoundaryPoint] final indian checkerboard & cross counts
    hey thats ok arif we knew the data were suspicious from the start the zoom toy itself is the auspicious & delicious part i doubt there are anywheres near 880
    Apr 01, 2001 @ 15:31 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1968. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tp Mocam-Zimb-S Afr
    He is an account of a safari firm : Although we have been to Crooks Corner many times I regret to say that we do not have a picture. The closest one can get
    Apr 01, 2001 @ 16:20 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1969. An Expedia.com Map from Jesper Nielsen
    Message from Jesper Nielsen: TP Moc-SAf-Zim (N) Here is the link to your map:
    Apr 01, 2001 @ 16:43 - maps@expedia.com (maps@...)
  1970. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tp Mocam-Zimb-S Afr
    nice going jesper it looks like we will get there now with sheer intent m
    Apr 01, 2001 @ 17:13 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1971. atchlis & perhaps lih if not also lise
    http://liechtensteinfl.tripod.com/page6.html completes our whirlwind tour of the tripoints of liechtenstein again from a safe distance as it homes in somewhat
    Apr 01, 2001 @ 17:14 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1972. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tp Mocam-Zimb-S Afr
    I am planning a GSABE ( Great Southern African Border Expedition this X-mas with my wife, covering RSA, Mozambique, Swaziland and Lesotho. Crooks Corner may
    Apr 01, 2001 @ 17:35 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1973. Fw: Crooks Corner
    ... From: Mario Anthes To: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 9:03 PM Subject: Re: Crooks Corner Hello Jesper, the only picture of Crooks
    Apr 01, 2001 @ 19:24 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
  1974. Fw: Crooks Corner
    ... From: Mario Anthes To: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 9:33 PM Subject: Re: Crooks Corner Hello Jesper, You can use the picture for
    Apr 01, 2001 @ 19:37 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  1975. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fw: Crooks Corner
    ... thats ok we can spend the nite here & press on in the morning if south africa is on the right & zimbabwe on the left as mario says then this is probably
    Apr 01, 2001 @ 22:31 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1976. Re: [BoundaryPoint] a narrowly close bccwwa trio try
    It s called undefended, but I m positive the border guards have guns. They were certainly unwilling for me to leave my bag at the guardhouse while I looked
    Apr 01, 2001 @ 23:45 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1977. Re: [BoundaryPoint] atchlis & perhaps lih if not also lise
    Michael, Are you sure you re looking at Naafkopf? The name of the picture implies you re looking at Malbun village. I have a 1:50k map of the area here, and I
    Apr 02, 2001 @ 07:11 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
  1978. Re: [BoundaryPoint] atchlis & perhaps lih if not also lise
    By the way, Naafkopf is not the highest point in Liechtenstein. It is 2570 m, but I found one higher on the map I have here: Grauspitz, on the atli border,
    Apr 02, 2001 @ 07:25 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
  1979. Re: atchlis & perhaps lih if not also lise
    ... I mean the chli border of course... Anyway, a picture of the Naafkopf can be found at http://meineseite.i-one.at/nenzingerhimmel/bilder/album/Naaf.jpg This
    Apr 02, 2001 @ 08:35 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1980. Claving fun in Liechtenstein
    It s not that they like to keep it simple in Liechtenstein. Just look at the municipality boundaries! http://www.unterland.li/state/territory.htm Peter S.
    Apr 02, 2001 @ 08:53 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
  1981. tripoint atchlin
    I am pretty certain that you are looking right at the tripoint on this picture: http://www.leemann.li/ecards2/pc5-1.htm You can click on the picture to get to
    Apr 02, 2001 @ 09:40 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
  1982. Re: tripoint atchlin
    No, not quite... Sorry for that. The tripoint is just behind the photographer. Peter S.
    Apr 02, 2001 @ 10:00 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1983. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Claving fun in Liechtenstein
    The map is also published in Martin IRa Glasner s Systematic political geography , an introductory fiurst year text with great photos and maps. A must-have.
    Apr 02, 2001 @ 10:36 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  1984. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: tripoint atchlin
    ... finally something in all this i can agree with absolutely peter but i would add that these tripoint vista pix & all your other additions to our
    Apr 02, 2001 @ 16:52 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1985. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fw: Crooks Corner
    ahh jesper i do appear to have left you in the lurch here for in the morning light your map in message 1971 which seems generally pretty good confounds what
    Apr 02, 2001 @ 17:11 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1986. Re: [BoundaryPoint] a narrowly close bccwwa trio try
    right & thats why i say nominally both sides have in fact repeatedly & vigorously defended this border against me m
    Apr 02, 2001 @ 18:31 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1987. Re: tripoint atchlin
    ... Yes, this is Steg. Just as no. 6 is Malbun. Like I said, I have a map of the area (1:50000) and I can recognise the houses and road pattern. ... The lift
    Apr 02, 2001 @ 19:03 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1988. Pfaelzer Huette
    ... can also be seen at http://194.183.128.147/international/map/d/50.htm & http://194.183.128.147/international/map/d/51.htm . At this site, also many
    Apr 02, 2001 @ 19:45 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1989. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: tripoint atchlin
    hahaha ok i will be glad to see this for i think you must be right especially if you are sure you have the proof m
    Apr 02, 2001 @ 20:05 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1990. Your Mail-It URL
    Welcome on www.swissgeo.ch! This Mail was sent to you by m@discovernet.net via the Mail-It service from http://www.swissgeo.ch. His message is the following:
    Apr 02, 2001 @ 23:39 - m@discovernet.net (m@...)
  1991. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Your Mail-It URL
    Yes, it works. Yesterday I looked at this site also, but couldn t zoom in somehow. Now I can. Just compare picture no. 6 with the Malbun area and with the
    Apr 03, 2001 @ 07:23 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
  1992. Dreilaenderspitze
    A secundary (but spectacular) tripoint: Vorarlberg (at), Tyrol (at), and Graubuenden (ch).
    Apr 03, 2001 @ 10:32 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
  1993. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: tripoint atchlin
    ... you can save yourself this task peter as i am convinced you are right & gratified also that my french was at least more reliable than the testimony of our
    Apr 03, 2001 @ 11:36 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1994. Re: Dreilaenderspitze
    nice going our first such outside north america m
    Apr 03, 2001 @ 11:33 - barbaria_longa@hotmail.com (barbaria_longa@...)
  1995. whats wrong with this picture part 3
    this fairly recent & informative article on the state of the cnin line the only triple international boundary in the world
    Apr 03, 2001 @ 19:13 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1996. another gysr gusher
    the guyana suriname boundary dispute has been under discussion in english for some months now at http://www.surinamenet.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000023.html etc by
    Apr 04, 2001 @ 00:38 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  1997. Re: another gysr gusher
    I have actually taken the trouble to read through all this, and although it is informative in some ways, I find it ridiculous to see Surinamese and
    Apr 04, 2001 @ 09:04 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  1998. More about obelisks
    I noticed a discussion about a month ago regarding obelisk monuments. I believe Mike mentioned the CTMARI tri-point monument, but I don t think this qualifies
    Apr 04, 2001 @ 23:57 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  1999. Let's try obelisks again
    Sorry for the bad link in my previous message. Let s try it again: I noticed a discussion about a month ago regarding obelisk monuments. I believe Mike
    Apr 05, 2001 @ 00:00 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  2000. Re: [BoundaryPoint] More about obelisks
    brian great to see you guys & the corner corner looking so fine too it is true that obelisks are usually tapered & what you think qualifies certainly matters
    Apr 05, 2001 @ 01:55 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2001. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tp Mocam-Zimb-S Afr
    jesper my earlier response to this seems to have gone astray but i just want to repeat how glad i am to hear this news as it promises to be our first real
    Apr 05, 2001 @ 01:56 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2002. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Dreilaenderspitze
    another reason to celebrate posted a few days ago from the bp website but evidently also not received this is our first unamerican binational tripoint & i
    Apr 05, 2001 @ 01:56 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2003. indian crosses revisited
    picked up the delorme new mexico atlas today & was able to confirm about 220 indian boundary crosses in it so a national grand total of over 800 remains likely
    Apr 05, 2001 @ 03:40 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2004. Re: [BoundaryPoint] More about obelisks
    Evidently this is a linguistic phenomenon. The Merriam-Webster s Collegiate Dictionary definition is an upright 4-sided usually monolithic pillar that
    Apr 05, 2001 @ 12:39 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  2005. Re: [BoundaryPoint] More about obelisks
    excellent so you may but neednt necessarily disqualify your local pride ctmari the only tri state obelisk yet confirmed or imagined anywhere in the world m
    Apr 05, 2001 @ 16:01 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2006. Re: [BoundaryPoint] More about obelisks
    What about MANHVT, MENHQC, and MDPAWV, to name a few? BJB ... From: michael donner To: Sent: Thursday,
    Apr 05, 2001 @ 16:16 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  2007. Re: [BoundaryPoint] More about obelisks
    yes i think these must all fit your definition i hope you can show them off m
    Apr 05, 2001 @ 17:26 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2008. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: another gysr gusher
    peter all good points such ridiculousness makes the navajo look golden by comparison to just salute the four directions & piss on azconmut at their daily
    Apr 05, 2001 @ 21:23 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2009. Re: [BoundaryPoint] More about obelisks
    well brian i imagined you would be following thru with more pix because i think people might like to see what you are talking about & it is actually quite
    Apr 06, 2001 @ 06:30 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2010. 'Boundary-Making'
    I discovered today that Stephen B. Jones classic 1945 book Boundary-Making: A Handbook for Statesmen, Treaty Editors and Boundary Commissioners has been
    Apr 06, 2001 @ 10:27 - Martin Pratt ("Martin Pratt" <m.a.pratt@...>)
  2011. tricountry points actually or virtually visited by us
    this update of message 1614 etc adds our 4 newest tricountry point pix all of them rather distant & uncertain but still most welcome with special honors again
    Apr 07, 2001 @ 01:06 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2012. still happier yet
    the connection of obelisks with boundaries may seem fortuitous yet both arise from & express the singular idea of sovereignty according to
    Apr 07, 2001 @ 14:38 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2013. suspected bede & denl river condos & tps updated
    some little headway has been gained since the last report about & request for help with finding or ruling out the possible denl & bede river condos to match
    Apr 07, 2001 @ 16:37 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2014. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 'Boundary-Making'
    martin this is a most major & indeed causal work i believe for example the following attachment copied from it shows the now familiar looking but in 1945
    Apr 07, 2001 @ 22:04 - jane capellaro (jane capellaro <j@discovernet.net>)
  2015. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 'Boundary-Making'
    oops i meant to say here the michigan wisconsin or miwi boundary rather than the illinois michigan or ilmi boundary m ilmi has actually never been
    Apr 08, 2001 @ 01:39 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2016. Nice link to TpAtChLiN!
    Hello everybody, a nice picture from the Tp-area AtChLi N can be found on: www.unterland.li/state/ruggell.htm must be very close to GCEBE s tp no. 6 to be
    Apr 08, 2001 @ 08:19 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  2017. search for germany benelux river condos advances
    still working in the dark for lack of an 1815 treaty of vienna text & still clueless also about any later international agreements that could have affected the
    Apr 08, 2001 @ 23:09 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2018. Northwest Angle
    A pene-enclave in Minnesota, NW Angle threatened to join Canada c. 19 March 1998. An interesting article on tourism thewrectogewther with a photo of a
    Apr 10, 2001 @ 00:39 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2019. Northwest Angle 2 enclaves and map
    Northwest angle used to have several enclaves in its NW arm of Lake of the Woods, that were removed in 1925. A map of the issues is on p137 of Stephen B.
    Apr 10, 2001 @ 00:42 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2020. 2 new Tripoints in Europe this year?
    As you probably know, there will be held a referendum in Montenegro later this month about their continuous marriage with the remainder of Yugoslavia
    Apr 10, 2001 @ 08:26 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  2021. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 'Boundary-Making'
    oops yet again as i got both the wrong book & author for that map of the median line on lake michigan in message 2025 & sincerely apologize for the confusion
    Apr 10, 2001 @ 10:24 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2022. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Northwest Angle 2 enclaves and map
    bus&ss indicates that the point adopted in 1925 for the new north limit of the usa in the lake of the woods displaced it northward from swampland into open
    Apr 10, 2001 @ 17:28 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2023. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Northwest Angle 2 enclaves and map
    Navigable waters in Canada appear to be defined much more narrowly: Navigable Waters Protection Act: navigable water includes a canal and any other body of
    Apr 10, 2001 @ 21:48 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  2024. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Northwest Angle 2 enclaves and map
    thanx david this is quite helpful in several ways tho i think the wording you mention here from section 2 doesnt narrow the definition of navigable waters at
    Apr 11, 2001 @ 00:45 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2025. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 2 new Tripoints in Europe this year?
    thanxx for the greetings & the tidings peter i confess this news had actually escaped my notice til now since montenegro has been threatening to secede like
    Apr 11, 2001 @ 22:26 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2026. Re: Northwest Angle 2 enclaves and map
    Interestingly, the official Canadian topo map (15 x 30 , Berry Point) covering the Northwest Angle clearly marks an Ontario-Minnesota boundary running up the
    Apr 11, 2001 @ 23:19 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  2027. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Northwest Angle 2 enclaves and map
    We need to be very careful not to confuse jurisdiction with sovereignty or ownership. The Canadian government has jurisdiction and sovereignty , I believe,
    Apr 11, 2001 @ 23:46 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  2028. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Northwest Angle 2 enclaves and map
    Yes, I agree about being careful with jurisdiction vs. sovereignty. In fact I had been contemplating this issue myself. I just checked the USGS Beau Lake, ME
    Apr 12, 2001 @ 00:36 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  2029. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Northwest Angle 2 enclaves and map
    I personally don t think there are Federal waters inland in Canada. It is my understanding that Provincial fishing regulations apply once one gets upstream of
    Apr 12, 2001 @ 01:00 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  2030. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Northwest Angle 2 enclaves and map
    following are extracts from the boundaries of the canadian federation nicholson 1979 pp2ff by sovereignty is meant the authority of the state to have control
    Apr 12, 2001 @ 04:59 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2031. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Northwest Angle 2 enclaves and map
    Unfortunately, the federative points thus produced are, to me, completely unsatisfying. And it appears they are unsatisfying to North American
    Apr 12, 2001 @ 13:17 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  2032. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Northwest Angle 2 enclaves and map
    brian this news from you is both very fortunate & satisfying for me & i believe also for us as a whole since we all obviously place such a high value on
    Apr 12, 2001 @ 14:37 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2033. legends in our own minds
    those who access the group via http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint have probably noticed the new short form there of our descriptive identity
    Apr 12, 2001 @ 17:44 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2034. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Northwest Angle 2 enclaves and map
    ... Speak for yourself! I am a Canadian, and for 3 years I was a colleague of Norman Nicholson as professors at the University of Western Ontario (me a young
    Apr 12, 2001 @ 21:51 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  2035. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Northwest Angle 2 enclaves and map
    I wonder if my disk will hold the anticipated reply. BJB ... From: David Mark To: Sent: Thursday,
    Apr 12, 2001 @ 22:43 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  2036. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Northwest Angle 2 enclaves and map
    hahahah try this brian hahaha david wow enormous fun to learn all this about you & no wonder i hold you & nicholson in the same high regard but i gather you
    Apr 12, 2001 @ 23:25 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2037. ok then here are some new questions
    & a fresh start just to lighten up how many major internal multipoints does anyone think canada truly has & how many major multipoints on the caus boundary in
    Apr 12, 2001 @ 23:43 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2038. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ok then here are some new questions
    ... None. There is no place in Canada where three (or more) Provinces come together. (Exception might be a wet NB NS PEI.) Also no place where three or more
    Apr 12, 2001 @ 23:52 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  2039. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ok then here are some new questions
    4 and 18: MBNTNUSK, ABNTSK, ABBCNT, BCNTYT MENBQC, MENHQC, NHQCVT, NYQCVT, NYONQC, NYONPA, OHONPA, MIOHON, MIMNON, MBMNON, MBMNND, MBNDSK, MTNDSK, ABMTSK,
    Apr 13, 2001 @ 00:15 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  2040. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ok then here are some new questions
    I might add a few more but salt water might be shaky ground. BJB ... From: michael donner To: Sent:
    Apr 13, 2001 @ 00:17 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  2041. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Northwest Angle 2 enclaves and map
    parts of the oceans and seas can be classified as inland waters in the sense that 3-mile and 12-mile limits do not apply. An example is Hudsons Bay, which
    Apr 13, 2001 @ 00:20 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  2042. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ok then here are some new questions
    well david since you are asking as well as putting things this way i would say that the difference in legal status among the 10 provinces & the 3 normally
    Apr 13, 2001 @ 06:40 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2043. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Northwest Angle 2 enclaves and map
    i have searched again for inland waters but i can only offer again the 3 excerpts below under pages 74 & 84 for the closest i believe nicholson ever comes to
    Apr 13, 2001 @ 06:41 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2044. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Northwest Angle 2 enclaves and map
    To put an aussie spin on this, I saw a new 1:250 000 map of an area along the Great Aussie Bight in SA/WA, and a national park on the edge of the nullabor is
    Apr 12, 2001 @ 23:15 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2045. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Northwest Angle 2 enclaves and map
    And for fifty thousand dollars, a nullabor is which of the following: 1. A boring story about nothing 2. An infinitesimally small drill bit 3. A salt-water
    Apr 13, 2001 @ 20:16 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  2046. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Northwest Angle 2 enclaves and map
    nul arbor means no trees in ungrammatical Latin, right?
    Apr 13, 2001 @ 22:35 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  2047. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Northwest Angle 2 enclaves and map
    sort of it is evidently a contraction of nulla arbor meaning no tree m
    Apr 13, 2001 @ 22:53 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2048. revised canada & caus guesses
    http://realtor.mls.ca/london/MNR/fact_sheet_ls2.htm in the section entitled what are crown lands surprised me by implying that crown may mean not only the
    Apr 13, 2001 @ 22:54 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2049. Re: [BoundaryPoint] revised canada & caus guesses
    This sounds good, and reasonable. BJB ... From: michael donner To: Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 6:54 PM
    Apr 13, 2001 @ 23:39 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  2050. Re: [BoundaryPoint] revised canada & caus guesses
    ... Michael, At the northern end of Labrador lies Killinek Island. The eastern half of that island is part of the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador; the
    Apr 14, 2001 @ 00:32 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  2051. Re: [BoundaryPoint] revised canada & caus guesses
    great question david answer follows below ... i counted them as 3 of the 10 mixed status coastal federal waters tripoints because i have not found any
    Apr 14, 2001 @ 04:00 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2052. Re: [BoundaryPoint] revised canada & caus guesses
    When I was birding at Churchill, Manitoba, several times in the early 1980s, the conventional wisdom among birders, including local professional guides, was
    Apr 14, 2001 @ 11:39 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  2053. Re: [BoundaryPoint] revised canada & caus guesses
    Crown lands are those not in private hands, basically. They are held on behalf of the crown by the govt. In austrlaia this is at state level mainly. For
    Apr 14, 2001 @ 01:15 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2054. Re: [BoundaryPoint] revised canada & caus guesses
    ahh local informants wrong as usual my own understanding or misunderstanding is all the islands & even low tide projections of hudson bay are nunavut all
    Apr 14, 2001 @ 18:45 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2055. Re: [BoundaryPoint] revised canada & caus guesses
    thanx pal & basking in the appreciation i am astonished to realize my caus job is still not complete after all for i have neglected to find or even imagine
    Apr 14, 2001 @ 18:45 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2056. Re: [BoundaryPoint] revised canada & caus guesses
    right very nice crown lands & perhaps even inland crown waters but canadian territorial seas must be different & american territorial seas are different again
    Apr 14, 2001 @ 18:56 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2057. first try at a complete punctoscopy of canada
    assuming the federal waters territory is real & includes all canadian territorial seas & estuaries as far as the mean low tide line & also assuming there are
    Apr 15, 2001 @ 14:46 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2058. outrageously off topic correction
    ... Can t be 4, because Rob Al Lun is an anagram of nullabor. Palindromes read the same back and formt, ie Napoleon s motto: Able was I ere I saw Elba or The
    Apr 14, 2001 @ 01:05 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2059. Historical pict. of DeDkBorder
    Denmark joined the Schengen - agreement 3 weeks ago. This mile- stone on the way to more European unity means no more border controls = open borders within
    Apr 16, 2001 @ 07:32 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
  2060. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Historical pict. of DeDkBorder
    Thanks Peter To follow up on Peter s message I am proud to annouce that I visted the DEDK border myself Saturday. Photos will be developed and posted in the
    Apr 16, 2001 @ 07:48 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2061. Re: [BoundaryPoint] outrageously off topic correction
    good correction & maybe not so far off topic since real palindromes are diplomatic texts of a sort producing lines with precisely fixed terminals & a
    Apr 16, 2001 @ 10:11 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2062. Re: [BoundaryPoint] first try at a complete punctoscopy of canada
    Because it was tax season here, the computer was needed for tax preparation and I was thus lax at e-mailing or updating my page for the last month. It should
    Apr 16, 2001 @ 16:53 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  2063. unsubscribe me

    Apr 16, 2001 @ 17:00 - Shandelman, Todd ("Shandelman, Todd" <todd.shandelman@...>)
  2064. Re: search for germany benelux river condos advances
    Hi again, For all of you wondering where I was last week: I was enjoying a short holiday. And photographs I have made, too. Let s hope they ve turned out well,
    Apr 16, 2001 @ 20:24 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  2065. Re: Dreilaenderspitze
    There are more though, and we have them, we just don t know we do. The Flemish-Walloon border touches the Netherlands three times: at boundary markers 14 (on
    Apr 16, 2001 @ 21:12 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  2066. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Northwest Angle 2 enclaves and map
    ... A large plate of wallaby stew and a round of applause to our winner folks. B _________________________________________________________________________ Get
    Apr 14, 2001 @ 01:09 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2067. Re: [BoundaryPoint] first try at a complete punctoscopy of canada
    glad you are back arif & thanx for thinking this thru with me & yes i see jesper & peter just got back too wonderful obviously arguing interests us less than
    Apr 16, 2001 @ 23:31 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2068. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: search for germany benelux river condos advances
    welcome home prodigal one i figured you would be out there in the field somewhere celebrating & reconnoitering we are exuberating to get the whole scoop on
    Apr 17, 2001 @ 00:04 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2069. Re: [BoundaryPoint] outrageously off topic correction
    That s strange, I thought ron al lun WAS nullabor backwards, spaces notwithstanding. BJB ... From: Brendan Whyte To:
    Apr 17, 2001 @ 00:11 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  2070. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: search for germany benelux river condos advances
    Did you get to the nearby ex-enclave of Germany weestr of Belialf on the way? I am dying to know what the picnic firniture made of boundary stones looks like.
    Apr 17, 2001 @ 00:54 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2071. Re: [BoundaryPoint] first try at a complete punctoscopy of canada
    Unwieldy was precisely the argument the Victorian high court judge used against the idea that the top of the left bank of the murray is the NSW/Victorian
    Apr 17, 2001 @ 00:47 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2072. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Dreilaenderspitze
    first of all peter i just realized your visiting another tri country point or line whichever it is means you may already have the second greatest accumulation
    Apr 17, 2001 @ 03:30 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2073. Re: [BoundaryPoint] first try at a complete punctoscopy of canada
    good luck we have a practically identical situation at almstn except it seems to have been answered by fiat here a left bank alms line has simply been extended
    Apr 17, 2001 @ 03:47 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2074. Re: [BoundaryPoint] first try at a complete punctoscopy of canada
    Interesting. Both the TnMs and TnAl lines were menat to be at the 35th parallel. But the Ms leg was defined from a point on the west bank of the Tennessee
    Apr 17, 2001 @ 05:15 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2075. Re: [BoundaryPoint] first try at a complete punctoscopy of canada
    Interesting. Both the TnMs and TnAl lines were menat to be at the 35th parallel. But the Ms leg was defined from a point on the west bank of the Tennessee
    Apr 17, 2001 @ 05:18 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2076. Re: [BoundaryPoint] first try at a complete punctoscopy of canada
    ... Sorry, but I cannot find the fragment that you are refering to on these maps. I also cannot find Bear Creek
    Apr 17, 2001 @ 17:38 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  2077. nsw sa vic & almstn
    good of you to dish these data & map brendan they really are worth savoring this is pickwick tva dam lake 1937 it looks like the usgs rightly feels
    Apr 17, 2001 @ 18:36 - michael donner by way of jane capellaro (michael donner <m@discovernet.net> (by way of jane capellaro <j@discovernet.net>))
  2078. Re: When does an ICJ decision take effect?
    you have probably already seen the ibru exchange above & following about the new bahrain qatar boundary decided by the icj as well as the map behind it at
    Apr 17, 2001 @ 21:08 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2079. retraction of message 2089
    whoops upon further review the situation is much more complicated than i thought & i was much too casual & glib for starters the operative map is number 7
    Apr 18, 2001 @ 06:27 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2080. Nullarbor Plain in Aussie - pix
    Hello everybody, referring to discussions about the word Nullarbor a lot of good memories crossed my mind.... attached you ll find two pictures from that
    Apr 18, 2001 @ 08:18 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
  2081. Re: Bits and Pieces
    A virtual territory (probably not an enclave) in the way Arif describes it is the Mundatwald, a forest in Germany, just over the border from the French town
    Apr 18, 2001 @ 08:29 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  2082. Re: search for germany benelux river condos advances
    Alas, no. It completely slipped my mind. And I wasn t far off, too. But I keep it in mind, since it s not so far from the Netherlands, and I m bound to visit
    Apr 18, 2001 @ 10:44 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  2083. Re: search for germany benelux river condos advances
    ... could ... where the ... two ... It looks like you re right. I have a 1:20k map here of the Vianden area, and the points where the border leaves the river
    Apr 18, 2001 @ 14:07 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  2084. Re: search for germany benelux river condos advances
    ... of ... banks, ... following ... was ... Normally, ... unless ... ..... this new border agreement is most probably that of 1984, as reported by Peter H. way
    Apr 18, 2001 @ 17:46 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  2085. RE: [BoundaryPoint] nsw sa vic & almstn
    Michael, For an interesting sidenote to your discussion on almstn, go southeast, upriver, from the tripoint. Note the map labelling error where Tishamingo
    Apr 18, 2001 @ 17:47 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
  2086. Iron curtain book
    Just found the book All Along the Wall and Watchtowers by Oliver August. It s a road trip journal along the old intra-German border in 1999. It looks
    Apr 18, 2001 @ 19:20 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
  2087. US-Mexico border pictures and stuff
    Some stuff to look at: http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/7070/fences.htm -- Shoot like a pro? Now sell like a pro! www.stockphotosonline.com
    Apr 18, 2001 @ 19:50 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
  2088. Re: Iron curtain book
    I have a beautiful little book called Freie Stadt zwischen Stacheldraht? , published in 1959 by the Federal Ministry of Joint- German Affairs
    Apr 18, 2001 @ 20:04 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  2089. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Iron curtain book
    I can think of two interesting ones: Heinz Knobloch, Michael Richter, Thomas Wenzel: Geisterbahnhöfe, Westlinien unter Ostberlin , Ch. Links Verlag, Berlin,
    Apr 18, 2001 @ 20:28 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
  2090. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: search for germany benelux river condos advances
    profuse thanxxx peter this all feels great & i agree about monuments 19 & 47 for now i can envision them marking dedelulu condo tripoints on the left bank of
    Apr 18, 2001 @ 22:18 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2091. RE: [BoundaryPoint] nsw sa vic & almstn
    jack that is odd you seem to be referring to the fragment brendan was talking about just up inside the mouth of bear creek there but i am not positive you are
    Apr 18, 2001 @ 23:54 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2092. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Historical pict. of DeDkBorder
    peter great pix this one makes me wonder too whether the schengen loop of the european union shouldnt already be considered as a single country or if not yet
    Apr 19, 2001 @ 00:21 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2093. RE: [BoundaryPoint] nsw sa vic & almstn
    michael, ... AL - Tishamingo, MS counties to where the AL-MS line heads south. Now note the county markings south on the AL-MS line and east on the
    Apr 19, 2001 @ 02:22 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
  2094. Re: search for germany benelux river condos advances
    In http://www.salomonia.com/Bundesrecht/verlauf_gemeinsame_staatsgrenzeG/verlauf_gemeinsame_staatsgrenze-text.htm (the law that puts the 1984 treaty into
    Apr 19, 2001 @ 10:12 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  2095. RE: [BoundaryPoint] nsw sa vic & almstn
    by jove right you are jack hahahah & topozone makes it look like tishomingo is claiming only up to the end of its usgs quad & no farther hahaha so we appear
    Apr 19, 2001 @ 14:05 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2096. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: search for germany benelux river condos advances
    great this is hot & it sure looks like you have caught the territorial changes in mid air for whatever grundstuecken may actually mean it could well have
    Apr 19, 2001 @ 16:09 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2097. Re: search for germany benelux river condos advances
    ... air ... parcels ... new reality ... resist it ... I didn t think of this possibility yet, but it sounds very reasonable. But the Grundstuecken may well be
    Apr 20, 2001 @ 07:50 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
  2098. closing the gap at tp bahrain qatar saudi arabia aka bhqasa
    the recent wrong guess at a maritime & islamic law tricountry point based on bhqa icj maps 2 & 7 linked in message 2090 has at least had the beneficial
    Apr 20, 2001 @ 13:33 - michael donner by way of jane capellaro (michael donner <m@discovernet.net> (by way of jane capellaro <j@discovernet.net>))
  2099. 8 canadian majors still uncertain
    silly of me to leave this dangling but i am still dangling myself over whether there is or is not an interprovincial tongue of land aka fragment in the usage
    Apr 20, 2001 @ 15:15 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2100. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: search for germany benelux river condos advances
    peter & al heading out to play but just want to say yess i was hoping for a castle & even saw a possible beauty of one around vianden on line but couldnt pin
    Apr 20, 2001 @ 16:10 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2101. RE: [BoundaryPoint] nsw sa vic & almstn
    No dry twin at the southeast corner. Only the one error. jack ... From: michael donner [mailto:m@discovernet.net] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 10:06 AM To:
    Apr 20, 2001 @ 19:55 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
  2102. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Iron curtain book
    The Ugly Frontier by david shears published: chatto and windus, London, 1971. photos, diagrams, maps. Includes a fantastic photo of the west berlin schoolboy
    Apr 21, 2001 @ 23:35 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2103. vianden castle found but on wrong bank
    http://luxembourg.co.uk/pics/vianden_water.jpg places vianden castle squarely above the right bank of the river ours & thus on the wrong bank for it to have
    Apr 22, 2001 @ 00:03 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2104. CA-US Boundary marker and Manitoba-MN-ND tripoint
    Michael, A long time ago I promised these pictures and finally got around to get prints made from the slides. The obelisk is 2 miles N of Pembina, ND via an
    Apr 22, 2001 @ 01:08 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@gisco.net>)
  2105. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bits and Pieces
    The 1998(?) treaty between Ecuador and Peru over their disputed boundary gave to Ecuador a small cemetery in Peru where Ecuadorian soldiers were buried who
    Apr 22, 2001 @ 01:39 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2106. Re: [BoundaryPoint] CA-US Boundary marker and Manitoba-MN-ND tripoint
    nice one jack this is our earliest known visit to a caus tripoint or any binational tripoint & no matter that it was made for a different reason also i really
    Apr 22, 2001 @ 02:25 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2107. interprovincial tongue of land now looking unlikely
    a hoped for internal canadian version of point roberts & 2 more potential crown waters tripoints with it at the north end of the onpq boundary in the james bay
    Apr 22, 2001 @ 03:35 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2108. Danish-German border expedition 2001
    I am please to inform you that my latest border expedition has been posted on http://www.geocities.com/graenser Jesper
    Apr 22, 2001 @ 10:23 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2109. Re: vianden castle found but on wrong bank
    Yes I knew that, but I was rather thinking of the castle being in the middle of some sort of a military defined area (e.g. the area a cannon can cover from the
    Apr 22, 2001 @ 11:04 - smaardijk@yahoo.com (smaardijk@...)
  2110. bear creek - TN/AL
    From: David Mark Reply-To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] first try at a
    Apr 22, 2001 @ 23:01 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2111. bavarian 50k maps online
    T check out junholz and other places in bavaria, go to http://212.34.74.183/TK50_Online_blva/index.html there is a scrollable overview map on the left, and the
    Apr 22, 2001 @ 00:16 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2112. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Danish-German border expedition 2001
    jesper this is a great pleasure not only your travels & comments themselves but the fine presentation too & especially the new danish boundary freaks site
    Apr 23, 2001 @ 01:52 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2113. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: vianden castle found but on wrong bank
    peter that is a perceptive & comprehensive guess by you which i would like to add on to as it would make the entire seignory into the cherry & it only
    Apr 23, 2001 @ 01:52 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2114. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Danish-German border expedition 2001
    Michael, I think it will be many many years before Europe will be one country. Even if the signs are there, our nations go way back. In fact I don t think
    Apr 23, 2001 @ 04:48 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2115. DEKU no. 47
    hi, enclosed you will find some infos about boundary-stones on DE - LU borderline. Wolfgang Gärtner c/o Carl Kliem GmbH An der Hauptwache 7 D
    Apr 23, 2001 @ 05:29 - Gartner Wolfgang (Gartner Wolfgang <WGartner@kliem.de>)
  2116. Re: DEKU no. 47
    Great stuff, Wolfgang. So, if I understand correctly, the Vianden land boundary is marked since 1816. It could have existed before that date, of course, but
    Apr 23, 2001 @ 08:01 - smaardijk@yahoo.com (smaardijk@...)
  2117. Re: Bits and Pieces
    In 1984, through the exchange of diplomatic notes, the question was settled. The Mundatwald was declared to be under German sovereignty, but French property,
    Apr 23, 2001 @ 11:08 - smaardijk@yahoo.com (smaardijk@...)
  2118. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: DEKU no. 47
    thanxx to wolfgang & peter for again advancing this so nicely it is great to be part of a group effort also here is a photo of the our area in between the
    Apr 23, 2001 @ 18:02 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2119. Enclaves
    Hi everyone: I m new to this group, so please forgive my efforts to come up to speed. I ve been interested in enclaves for the last ten years, ever since
    Apr 23, 2001 @ 19:17 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
  2120. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Enclaves
    Grant, soulmate, I have procured a map of the Sultanate of Oman (from www.omnimap.com, by the way), which, apart from having Folding Instructions on the back
    Apr 23, 2001 @ 19:44 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
  2121. Re: [BoundaryPoint] first try at a complete punctoscopy of canada
    ... Whoops. Try http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=16&n=3861385&e=399715&size=m The state boundary follows the Tennessee river, then heads W of S formthe mouth
    Apr 21, 2001 @ 23:07 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2122. 1:5000 map of Jungholz. Help!
    I wrote to the Bavarian map people, enquiring about their 1:5000 maps, in the hope that a very loarge scale map would be interesting for the Jungholz
    Apr 22, 2001 @ 01:14 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
  2123. second try at a complete punctoscopy of canada
    same as first try but with the following improvements confirming several of the earlier risky assumptions in message 2068 & closing out all known potential
    Apr 24, 2001 @ 04:00 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2124. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Enclaves
    ... The map is labelled Map of the Sultanate of Oman, scale 1:1.300.000 and is printed in march 1996, and published by the National Survey Authority of Oman
    Apr 24, 2001 @ 07:22 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
  2125. Re: DEKU no. 47
    The dam+reservoir dates back to 1954-1964 ( http://www.eifelfuehrer.de/V/Vianden.html ). The photo at
    Apr 24, 2001 @ 08:06 - smaardijk@yahoo.com (smaardijk@...)
  2126. Re: DEKU no. 47
    ... I m not sure myself either. What I know that there was a Dutch- Prussian boundary treaty known as the Treaty of Aachen, dated 1816 (all the work probably
    Apr 24, 2001 @ 08:10 - smaardijk@yahoo.com (smaardijk@...)
  2127. Re: DEKU no. 47
    A picture is at http://www.tourist-info-vianden.lu/promenade.JPG . The tripoint no. 47 is just behind the head of the person in red (step aside, will you). A
    Apr 24, 2001 @ 08:27 - smaardijk@yahoo.com (smaardijk@...)
  2128. Re: Enclaves
    For the extraterritorial parts of the Holy See, see (no pun intended) the Lateran treaty at http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/treaty.htm , especially articles
    Apr 24, 2001 @ 08:38 - smaardijk@yahoo.com (smaardijk@...)
  2129. Re: [BoundaryPoint] nsw sa vic & almstn
    So we have a line running along the river bank and one (ALTn running along 35 paralell sort of. They turn out not to intersect as described. What to do? Extend
    Apr 21, 2001 @ 23:11 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2130. Re: DEKU no. 47
    ... In http://www.virtual-institute.de/de/prax1996/pr96_5.cfm , there is talk of two Prussian-Dutch boundary treaties: 1. The treaty of Aachen, June 26, 1816
    Apr 24, 2001 @ 13:18 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2131. Re: [BoundaryPoint] 1:5000 map of Jungholz. Help!
    The fire brigade is on the way, Brendan! Very interesting link indeed, I just left their very comprehensive site - a bit wiser: almost all Bavarian
    Apr 24, 2001 @ 14:54 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  2132. Re: [BoundaryPoint] nsw sa vic & almstn
    ... yes yes yes the boundary that made itself or perhaps others less enthusiastic would call it a boundary by default yet it mightnt have done this if ms
    Apr 24, 2001 @ 15:06 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2133. RE: [BoundaryPoint] 1:5000 map of Jungholz. Help!
    Peter, ... Can you tell us exactly how you go about to look at one of the 1:5.000 Digitale Flurkarten ? I don t seem to be able to find my way around the huge
    Apr 24, 2001 @ 15:09 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
  2134. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: DEKU no. 47
    much obliged for all these responses peter & please relax about the scanning as my curiosity is purely idyll & i dont really mind being in the dark & what a
    Apr 24, 2001 @ 16:47 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2135. RE: [BoundaryPoint] 1:5000 map of Jungholz. Help!
    Sorry Mats, I didn t express myself properly (maybe I just wished it was the case) but: You re able to buy almost all Bavarian topomaps and 1:5.000 catastr.
    Apr 24, 2001 @ 16:38 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  2136. RE: [BoundaryPoint] 1:5000 map of Jungholz. Help!
    While enjoying myself on the Bavarian map-site, i took the opportunity of compiling this mosaic of the Jungholz-area:
    Apr 24, 2001 @ 16:45 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
  2137. Enclaves
    Thanks everyone for your information. I guess I m still having trouble with this: if Italy says it has no territorial claim to an area, and the Vatican runs
    Apr 24, 2001 @ 18:54 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
  2138. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Enclaves
    it only differs in that llivia is also an exclave of spain while the holy see is legally only an exclave of god m
    Apr 24, 2001 @ 19:23 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2139. RE: [BoundaryPoint] 1:5000 map of Jungholz. Help!
    thats ok mate i see you have been right on so far about montenegro but i am more than curious if you or anyone can say when do you think any actual west
    Apr 24, 2001 @ 19:25 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2140. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Enclaves
    Hi Grant & thanks for your comment. ... The Dhekelia Power Station is there, alright, but since I ve listed only enclaves that are also exclaves I haven t
    Apr 24, 2001 @ 19:24 - Rolf Palmberg LI ("Rolf Palmberg LI" <rpalmber@...>)
  2141. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: DEKU no. 47
    who me i might fall off craning my neck anyway m
    Apr 24, 2001 @ 19:38 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2142. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Enclaves
    Rolf, I have never heard of the Dhekelia Power Plant. Where is it excactly and how big is the area. And did you go there? Can you also tell us the story of
    Apr 24, 2001 @ 20:07 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2143. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Enclaves
    what yahoo may it help you &or others to know that the bp website search engine does work haltingly well but has to be pulled along by retyping the search word
    Apr 24, 2001 @ 20:33 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2144. Re: Enclaves
    ... exclave! By gad you re right. For some reason I just assumed that a tiny enclave around a power station wouldn t connect to the coast. But I ve just found:
    Apr 24, 2001 @ 20:56 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
  2145. dedelulun possibly even in plain view
    well i finally did get a peek at wolfgangs dedelulun pic thanxx again to the kindness & persistence of mats & you are correct as usual peter that delu
    Apr 25, 2001 @ 00:34 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2146. Re: first try at a complete punctoscopy of canada
    I especially like the mess the USGS made of the county names on the map at http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=16&n=3861385&e=399715&size=m. BJB ... of canada
    Apr 25, 2001 @ 01:39 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  2147. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Enclaves
    ... There are 4. The two villages and two areas around the powerstation, divided by a British road. One is on the coast, so it technically not an enclave, BUT
    Apr 25, 2001 @ 04:17 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2148. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Enclaves
    Oops. My answer is still ok, but there was a very annoying typo in ... Rolf ... From: granthutchison@cs.com Reply-To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue,
    Apr 25, 2001 @ 05:43 - Rolf Palmberg LI ("Rolf Palmberg LI" <rpalmber@...>)
  2149. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Enclaves
    Brendan s info about two areas around the powerstation is new to me - thanks! Does this show on any map? Rolf ... From: Brendan Whyte
    Apr 25, 2001 @ 05:49 - Rolf Palmberg LI ("Rolf Palmberg LI" <rpalmber@...>)
  2150. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Enclaves
    Hi Jesper ... It s clearly shown on most maps (on the coast), but I have to admit I know very little about it. And no, I haven t been there, just passed the
    Apr 25, 2001 @ 07:27 - rpalmber@abo.fi (rpalmber@...)
  2151. RE: [BoundaryPoint] dedelulun possibly even in plain view
    ... Colleagues, By chance i found the article Recent Changes in the Benelux-German Boundary , Lewis M Alexander, The Geographical Rewiew (don t know year and
    Apr 25, 2001 @ 07:44 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
  2152. Re: dedelulun possibly even in plain view
    A most interesting map, Mats. Although it has nothing to do with the condominia/Vianden boundary issue, it is the first time I see evidence of the war repair
    Apr 25, 2001 @ 08:06 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2153. [No Subject]
    Finally, the (rather large, sorry for that) scan of the Vianden bridgehead. It is a bit blurry at the bottom, because that s where the thing was folded. At the
    Apr 25, 2001 @ 08:52 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
  2154. delu river condo summary etc
    thanx again mats all 4 pages received now & thanx to peter too for the gorgeous map i only wondered about kammerwald because i saw it for the first time last
    Apr 25, 2001 @ 10:19 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2155. Indian mess - French to blame?
    India is not known for its simple boundary solutions, but the boundaries of Pondicherry are a bit of a mess, acc. to
    Apr 25, 2001 @ 14:58 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2156. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Indian mess - French to blame?
    a fine mess peter & a nice map of it under the general category of background info i have come to the conclusion that in reality no one is to blame for this
    Apr 25, 2001 @ 16:19 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2157. Map and ortophoto
    Colleagues, if you go to http://stadtplan.bsonline.ch you will find a map and ortophotos of Basel. Enclosed is an area that should be of some interest.
    Apr 25, 2001 @ 16:54 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@lpa.se>)
  2158. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Map and ortophoto
    Mats Great picture! Where did you find it? I would like to link to it from borderpictures.com. It s actually an interesting tripoint as the border line of chfr
    Apr 25, 2001 @ 18:33 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2159. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Enclaves
    Rolf, Märket is real a great story. Do you know if the numbers on the map is marked on the ground? Jesper ... From: To:
    Apr 25, 2001 @ 19:07 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2160. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Map and ortophoto
    this is a perfect flying dream mats just to be sure everyone can get it http://stadtplan.bsonline.ch/karte.cfm?PosX=4416&PosY=1083&ParaZoom=500&Jump=4&Z
    Apr 25, 2001 @ 20:00 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2161. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Indian mess - French to blame?
    While India demanded the return of foreign enclaves to the motherland in 1950s and 60s, those of Pakistan in India have sat awaiting India s ratification
    Apr 26, 2001 @ 00:18 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2162. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Indian mess - French to blame?
    Since I started the virtual enclave debate, I feel I should say something. I never actually included the Vatican enclaves as true virtual enclaves, as I am
    Apr 26, 2001 @ 03:18 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  2163. Re: Indian mess - French to blame?
    Thank you Brendan for that lengthy and informative reply on Indian affairs great and small. If the Indians are lucky and willing to accept something from an
    Apr 26, 2001 @ 08:29 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2164. DELU
    now enclosed as MS Word-file i present some additional information s in german language. You will find an explanantion for the several treaty-dates 1815, 1816,
    Apr 26, 2001 @ 13:38 - Gartner Wolfgang (Gartner Wolfgang <WGartner@kliem.de>)
  2165. international islands
    arif recently asked ... only an idea but no proof in allocations involving bodies of water & the islands within them the principle of equitability seems to
    Apr 26, 2001 @ 13:54 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2166. Re: [BoundaryPoint] DELU
    much obliged wolfgang since i was at least able to receive the german text in this attachment & am puzzling thru it now while really just beginning to learn
    Apr 26, 2001 @ 14:49 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2167. Re: DELU
    Thank you, Wolfgang. Very valuable information indeed. Still, it not only answers questions, but creates some new ones, too: 1. All islands in the boundary
    Apr 26, 2001 @ 14:44 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2168. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: dedelulun possibly even in plain view
    There were Belgian claims as well. They changed the boundaries of the alnd around the Vennbahn enclaves in the 1950s. BW ...
    Apr 25, 2001 @ 10:09 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2169. Re: Indian mess - French to blame?
    ... The Lateran Treaty certainly makes a clear distinction between the Vatican and these other properties: it uses words like sovereignty , dominion and
    Apr 26, 2001 @ 18:50 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
  2170. Re: dedelulun possibly even in plain view
    You re quite right. It can be seen at http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/vor50/0,1518,19056,00.html (the area near Monschau). The map is clickable. The article is
    Apr 26, 2001 @ 19:36 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2171. Vatican Radio - again
    The list of extraterritorial areas was apparently changed at least once, in 1951 (the radio transmitters were added to the list), acc. to
    Apr 26, 2001 @ 20:13 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2172. Re: Vatican Radio - again
    ... Still, it s pretty odd - it is, for instance, very easy to find out a list of British Overseas Territories or US dependencies, and the status of these
    Apr 26, 2001 @ 21:15 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
  2173. vatican sovereignty
    grant you were saying here to arif that sovereignty doesnt really achieve its full meaning when applied to the vatican & i understand what you meant too but i
    Apr 27, 2001 @ 00:51 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2174. belize guatemala mexico tricountry point update
    following upon the initial reports by doug in message 857 about this the closest tricountry point to canada & the usa some new bzgtmx leavenings & monumental
    Apr 27, 2001 @ 01:46 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2175. graph of cyprus
    Attached is an excel graph of the gridrefs given for the boundary around enclaves 2 and 2a in Cyprus. Note that in places the boundary follows roads or fences,
    Apr 27, 2001 @ 03:05 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
  2176. Re: Enclaves
    ... Can you or Peter H. tell me where to find it? shows two additional enclaves that ... Kirs ... image ... the ... K ... In my old Soviet atlas (1987), I can
    Apr 27, 2001 @ 11:57 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2177. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Enclaves
    ... peter smaardijk wrote ... are you kiddin pal it is both punctological & cockabebble in the extreme & better silly than sorry for i dont know russko & can
    Apr 27, 2001 @ 13:46 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2178. Re: [BoundaryPoint] graph of cyprus
    still blind on this brendan but i too wish you would do it for the other claves as this bodes well for the punctoscopy of the whole island so far we only
    Apr 27, 2001 @ 16:29 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2179. Re: Enclaves
    ... I only know it from Peter s uploaded image, I m afraid. ... of ... town ... of ... Lovely! This ties in with Brendan s estimate of about 6 enclaves in N.K.
    Apr 27, 2001 @ 16:47 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
  2180. Re: vatican sovereignty
    ... the ... Hmm. So I guess if *god* doesn t want me to have a list of extraterritorial possessions of the Vatican I m in deep trouble. Grant
    Apr 27, 2001 @ 16:52 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
  2181. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: vatican sovereignty
    ... haha i wouldnt imagine so m
    Apr 27, 2001 @ 17:57 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2182. Re: [BoundaryPoint] belize guatemala mexico tricountry point update
    apologies to the other mike donners for reciting myself so much but this bzgtmx situation is really part of a much larger batter & tho it still has a good way
    Apr 27, 2001 @ 17:58 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2183. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Caucasus map info!
    Sorry for the delay, but here s the info on my Caucasus map, bought a couple of months ago in Vienna: Edited by: Freytag & Berndt (Austrian cartographers), a
    Apr 27, 2001 @ 19:19 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  2184. Oman/UAE
    If someone really, really would like to know more about the Oman/UAE border, the litterature mentioned on this link might be a place to start:
    Apr 27, 2001 @ 20:20 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
  2185. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Indian mess - French to blame?
    The lovely full colour map of calcutta in the rear of the 1991 census handbook (series 26, part xiiA and xiiB, Calcutta Metropolitan District, Town directory
    Apr 26, 2001 @ 10:36 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2186. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Indian mess - French to blame?
    Brendan, Thank you for the research. I guess Goretty disappeared as an enclave at some time. I have not been able to find the 1991 census handbook, so you
    Apr 27, 2001 @ 21:49 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  2187. Erlengrund Exclave entrance photo
    Have a look at this: http://www.dieberlinermauer.de/berlinwallhome/wall25/wall25.html Doug -- Shoot like a pro? Now sell like a pro! www.stockphotosonline.com
    Apr 27, 2001 @ 22:22 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
  2188. Re: Indian mess - French to blame?
    It looks like there are three types of boundary divided islands at stake here: 1. (the bigger islands) There were settlements at different points, from where
    Apr 27, 2001 @ 23:28 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2189. Re: belize guatemala mexico tricountry point update
    ... both the ... Hollering The Marowini/Marouini triangle was awarded to the Netherlands through arbitration by the emperor of Russia in 1891, but it looks
    Apr 28, 2001 @ 00:18 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2190. Re: Caucasus map info!
    ... Thanks for this. Some time, would you be able to check the name of the town in the enclave in the NW of Nagorno-Karabakh for me, please? On the scan it
    Apr 28, 2001 @ 00:29 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
  2191. brfrsr & brgysr from bzgtmx
    ahh thanx peter so in this case suriname seems to have a rather good case despite the fact that brazil also places this tripoint to surinames detriment much
    Apr 28, 2001 @ 02:17 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2192. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Oman/UAE
    ... of course & especially since aeomsa is there the only aeom tricountry point if we are still not counting everyones land as a country but since aeomsa seems
    Apr 28, 2001 @ 02:17 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2193. hyper boundaries
    wait peter notwithstanding descheemaeker & the basques on this hyper boundary didnt you conclude in message 1740 that the ile de la conference dry condo
    Apr 28, 2001 @ 02:17 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2194. boundary islets
    arif is right here ... some of my best explanations are mistakes m
    Apr 28, 2001 @ 02:16 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2195. Cyrpus maps
    As usual, anything I post turns up 2-7 days late. SO as you have the graph of the points in the treaty, here are the besic texts of the boundaries in the
    Apr 28, 2001 @ 03:46 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
  2196. Namibian islands
    Another delayed mail reposted. sorry about the duplication, but the seocond one often comes through before the first. Does anyoner else have this problem???
    Apr 28, 2001 @ 03:49 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
  2197. Re: [BoundaryPoint] divided islands-an answer
    Hi Arif, concerning divided islands in Scandinavia, this is my guess: 1- they act as boundary markers - easy to see, instead of buoys... 2- since most of
    Apr 28, 2001 @ 06:48 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  2198. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Caucasus map info!
    Hi Grant - here it comes: the name of this enclave in Nagorno Karabakh is spelt: Agbadan ! Peter ... From: granthutchison@cs.com Date: Saturday, April 28, 2001
    Apr 28, 2001 @ 06:56 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  2199. Re: hyper boundaries
    ... dry condo ... Yes, I still think this is the situation. ... kind of ... It was meant to mean exactly that. And nothing more should be read into it. It was
    Apr 28, 2001 @ 10:51 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2200. Re: [BoundaryPoint] divided islands-an answer
    Are the divided islands in Scandanavia TURNING POINTS in the boundaries? With the precise turning point at the peak or center of the island? If so, Peter s
    Apr 28, 2001 @ 11:31 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  2201. Re: [BoundaryPoint] divided islands-an answer
    bravo for our most coherent & sensible analysis to date on this or any other topic m
    Apr 28, 2001 @ 14:02 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2202. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: hyper boundaries
    good i like the symbolism too & am guessing it was this specific misstep by descheemaeker onto the ile de la conference condo & out of line with his own
    Apr 28, 2001 @ 14:12 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2203. Re: [BoundaryPoint] divided islands-an answer
    of course of course we are with you what does the flag look like m
    Apr 28, 2001 @ 14:16 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2204. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Namibian islands
    hahahahaha absolutely gorgeous 200nm guano slicks mate incredible about what you have been calling your problem i would say it is actually a benefit to you &
    Apr 28, 2001 @ 14:32 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2205. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cyrpus maps
    excellent pinprick accuracy thats new & nice now can you shine this laser on the tripoints m
    Apr 28, 2001 @ 14:36 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2206. Re: divided islands-an answer
    That is exactly what they are. See messages 1936, 1948 (the link to Statens Kartverk) and 1952. The symbolism of good neighbourhood Peter H. mentions is
    Apr 28, 2001 @ 14:49 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2207. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: divided islands-an answer
    exactly peter but here is the part of your or probably rather descheemaekers symbolism i still dont get i understand that the condo island functions as a
    Apr 28, 2001 @ 15:57 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2208. Re: divided islands-an answer
    The Ile de la Conference being an enclaved condominium is really an assumption I made on the basis of the fact the boundary in the Bidasoa river is defined as
    Apr 28, 2001 @ 16:07 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2209. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: divided islands-an answer
    excellent neighborhood peter your assumption still seems correct to me with no contrary evidence having surfaced & unless an official map or further
    Apr 28, 2001 @ 17:38 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2210. Triple land-locking
    Here s a random thought that has just come to me. I think there are probably only two triple land-locked territories in the world - areas from which you can t
    Apr 28, 2001 @ 21:11 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
  2211. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Triple land-locking
    yess 2222 m
    Apr 28, 2001 @ 22:15 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2212. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Triple land-locking
    That would seem right. Not counting Nagorno or Palestinian west bank, Tibet, or SMOM: triple-landlocked: 0 countries, 1 enclave, one counter-counter-enclave. =
    Apr 29, 2001 @ 01:52 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2213. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Triple land-locking
    standing ovation recreational geographics have arrived my only question is about your approx 200 unlandlocked countries as i had thought there were only about
    Apr 29, 2001 @ 02:48 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2214. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Triple land-locking
    whoops, i get 196, inc taiwan but not palestine. So 150odd unlandlocked. I must have been thinking of political entities, including offshore dependencies.
    Apr 29, 2001 @ 04:03 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2215. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Triple land-locking
    Hello Brendan, Is this the first time Hutt River Province is mentioned in any serious international law context? Or have I missed something? Brendan, as you
    Apr 29, 2001 @ 05:56 - Bernhard (Bernhard <tardis@...-net.de>)
  2216. namibian islands
    Here s the map of the Namibian islands claimed by South Africa probably until 1994 when it ceded Walvis Bay. From Lynn berat, 1990, Walvis Bay Decolonisation
    Apr 27, 2001 @ 02:23 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
  2217. how many countries in the world
    brendan recently ... thanx presumably this includes hutt & 3 others since most almanacs & similar refs say 192 namely the 189 members of the united nations
    Apr 29, 2001 @ 14:02 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2218. Re: [BoundaryPoint] namibian islands
    the attachment in message 2207 is better & this is worth a double take anyway m
    Apr 29, 2001 @ 14:06 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2219. mental maps by heart link
    http://www.mapping.com is mill for the grist & good thought for food m
    Apr 29, 2001 @ 15:00 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2220. Re: Triple land-locking
    ... Cyprus [1 ... own] ... Presumably the Indian and Bangladeshi enclaves should be in there, too? A bit of subtraction using your figures gives me 107 Indian
    Apr 29, 2001 @ 15:30 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
  2221. Re: how many countries in the world
    ... I was surprised to see the UK (my native soil) credited with only 191 in this list. I checked out the link on the Countries by Heart site you mention,
    Apr 29, 2001 @ 23:48 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
  2222. Re: [BoundaryPoint] how many countries in the world
    I got my count of a website, that listed countries of the world, so I may have miscounted. Are places like Tuvalu and andoraa UN members? How about cook
    Apr 30, 2001 @ 01:02 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2223. Cyprus enclaves. I count 4.
    Here s the maps I have of the Cyprus enclaves in UKSB areas. These are form the UN Treaty Series, v382. They are originally 1:100 000. There is a 1km grid
    Apr 27, 2001 @ 02:51 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
  2224. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Triple land-locking
    ... There is great confusion over the number of Indi-Bangla enclaves. From my research it appears there were 130 INdian and 95 Bangla enclaves c.1960 (when
    Apr 30, 2001 @ 01:30 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2225. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: how many countries in the world
    yes thanx grant & i trust you are right as it was just that a browse of search results turned up all these numbers at random from various sources of unknown
    Apr 30, 2001 @ 01:46 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2226. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cyprus enclaves. I count 4.
    the attachments in this message & 2227 dont seem to be working properly also i noticed they contain only 1k maybe this is connected with that other anomaly you
    Apr 30, 2001 @ 01:56 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2227. clave census etc
    brendan your recent mention of the sealess coastal enclave on cyprus & your reference to offshore dependencies in the followup message raise several old & new
    Apr 30, 2001 @ 02:01 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2228. Re: [BoundaryPoint] clave census etc
    I think we would need to have some sory of poll or vote on the issues of terminology, since I seem to disagree with Brendan on a lot of this and I feel that my
    Apr 30, 2001 @ 11:11 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  2229. first try at a complete clavoscopy of the usa
    as mentioned have been trying to answer some clave questions myself lately taking the usa as an example & this is a very crude try for lack of the right
    Apr 30, 2001 @ 11:51 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2230. Re: [BoundaryPoint] clave census etc
    great thank you & i would wish everyone to be comfortable & at home with this too like for me the debate isnt secondary but third or fourth to the striving
    Apr 30, 2001 @ 13:21 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2231. Re: how many countries in the world
    ... They are. Lots of out-of-the-way Pacific and Central African nations turn up among the U.N. 189. ... They re self-governing in free association with New
    Apr 30, 2001 @ 14:41 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
  2232. Re: how many countries in the world
    ... count Oops, sorry - it s just that the mental maps site gives various how- many-countries links, including one for 191 countries recognised by the U.K. I
    Apr 30, 2001 @ 14:45 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
  2233. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: how many countries in the world
    perfectly all right & glad to see you jumping around with me m
    Apr 30, 2001 @ 15:27 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2234. Re: clave census etc
    ... issues of ... and I ... what to ... OK. Here s a fool (ie someone who is only guessing the meaning of mereotopological ) who is prepared to rush in where
    Apr 30, 2001 @ 22:12 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
  2235. Re: [BoundaryPoint] clave census etc
    I think land/water is a reasonable divide. Rivers and lakes are often used as boundaries, for the obvious reason that they provide an obvious and natural
    May 01, 2001 @ 00:43 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2236. Re: [BoundaryPoint] clave census etc
    If water makes an exclave, then every island is an exclave. 10,000 exclaves in Minnesota, 100,000 in Manitoba, even more in Finland... Exclaves are extremely
    May 01, 2001 @ 01:00 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  2237. Re: [BoundaryPoint] clave census etc
    Exactly! a state with many islands is less than ideal for administration purposes, of course if most of the islands are tiny and uninhabited, there is less of
    May 01, 2001 @ 01:18 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2238. Re: [BoundaryPoint] clave census etc
    ... But Brendan, you must recognize that this is just your personal opinion!! There is no logic that supports you claim. In counter, I can claim that it
    May 01, 2001 @ 01:32 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  2239. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Triple land-locking
    Whoops. In single landlocked I forgot 200 normal enclaves at cooch Behar. Problem is, the offical lists give as enclaves individual villages, several of which
    Apr 29, 2001 @ 02:09 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2240. Fiat boundaries
    Which international boundaries are 100% fiat, meaning 100% straight? On the map I see: Morocco-Western Sahara Algeria-Mauretania Western Sahara-Algeria
    May 01, 2001 @ 05:45 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2241. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fiat boundaries
    in practical reality probably none of them since surveys have generally wandered a bit not to mention the earth curvature like even the famous colorado &
    May 01, 2001 @ 09:22 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2242. ok so where are we
    congrats all around on a propitious beginning so far we have one mereotopology of claves based on political boundaries alone & another based on the boundaries
    May 01, 2001 @ 09:22 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2243. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: clave census etc
    recently granted ... very allowing of you good chap still preferring to use words at least somewhat according to their meaning & since they do reflect &
    May 01, 2001 @ 09:23 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2244. Fly river
    Thinking about the subject of straight borders, something that I have wondered about for a long time came up again. The island of New Guinea is divided by a
    May 01, 2001 @ 09:26 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2245. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fly river
    Victor Prescott s book should have the details. you can buy copies from him. Email j.prescott@geography.unimelb.edu.au and ask for his Map of Mainland Asia by
    May 01, 2001 @ 11:08 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2246. Re: Fly river
    I should have searched more thoroughly first and asked then. The boundary treaty (an astonishingly short one, but then again this boundary is not too
    May 01, 2001 @ 12:20 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2247. Re: [BoundaryPoint] clave census etc
    First, the cyprus maps came out ok for me on the first but not second post. How about the rest of you? I will repost if necessary. As there are somewhere in
    Apr 30, 2001 @ 03:12 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2248. Please Take Advantage of the Files Section!
    Just a suggestion, but it would be great if individuals posting maps and photos as attachments *ALSO* take advantage of the BoundaryPoint s FILES function by
    May 01, 2001 @ 13:08 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  2249. Re: [BoundaryPoint] clave census etc
    all swell & many thanx your states as living objects here is a leading edge thought & inviting to enlarge upon m
    May 01, 2001 @ 15:28 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2250. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Fly river
    peter are you kiddin it is good to see you anyway ... do you mean the guessing wasnt as much fun as the searching or the discovering & what a rare treat
    May 01, 2001 @ 15:50 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2251. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fly river
    Sorry to inform you of this, but the Papua New Guinea-Indonesia boundary is not completely straight even when you discount Fly River. Yes, there are two
    May 01, 2001 @ 16:16 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  2252. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fly river
    ... no problem pet good for a dab of contrast value & we love rehabilitating everything here as it happens my own life was once actually saved by devils
    May 01, 2001 @ 16:18 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2253. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Triple land-locking
    No, i was just noting that the count of countries is subjective: Palestine, Taiwan, Tibet, Seeland ,Hutt River, East Timor, SMOM... it all depends on your
    Apr 29, 2001 @ 08:00 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2254. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Please Take Advantage of the Files Section!
    Then again, I tried doing just that this morning, and it didn t work...go figure. Bill ... From: Bill Hanrahan To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday,
    May 01, 2001 @ 16:11 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  2255. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Please Take Advantage of the Files Section!
    good to hear from you bill good idea too also my pleasure to report to you & wishfully all of you via this double bank shot try that my previous 3 messages
    May 01, 2001 @ 18:02 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2256. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Fly river
    peter are you kiddin it is good to see you anyway ... do you mean the guessing wasnt as much fun as the searching or the discovering & what a rare treat
    May 01, 2001 @ 18:07 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2257. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fly river
    ... no problem pet good for a dab of contrast value & we love rehabilitating everything here as it happens my own life was once actually saved by devils
    May 01, 2001 @ 18:08 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2258. Re: [BoundaryPoint] clave census etc
    all swell & many thanx your states as living objects here is a leading edge thought & inviting to enlarge upon m
    May 01, 2001 @ 18:06 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2259. Re: ok so where are we
    Country count Michael, if it helps, I ve attached a list of the 192 core countries that seem to have the most wide-spread recognition. Any tripoint survey
    May 01, 2001 @ 19:38 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
  2260. all systems now blinking green
    good to hear from you bill good idea too the pause function is now clearing effectively also my pleasure to report to you & wishfully all of you via this
    May 01, 2001 @ 18:35 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2261. Re: ok so where are we (correction)
    Oops. Of course, This, I think, is the only land-surface boundary between country and dependency should have read This, I think, is the only land-surface
    May 01, 2001 @ 20:08 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
  2262. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Please Take Advantage of the Files Section!
    ... i figger its our collective energy flow just swooping around the planet & sometimes leaving apparent gaps which one can feel lucky to find & occupy for as
    May 01, 2001 @ 22:00 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2263. Re: Fly river
    Don t be sorry, Arif. I don t like straight boundaries more than other ones, and anyway, there is more of a story to it when it is not a perfectly straight
    May 01, 2001 @ 21:29 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2264. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fly river
    Sorry, Frontiers of Asian and southeast Asia. which covers Afghanistan through to Indonesia-Australian and PNg-Austrlaian boundaries. Map of Mainland Asia
    May 02, 2001 @ 00:00 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2265. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Fly river
    (HMS Fly). I wonder what the ship was named after... It was probablty small, and black ,and darted about annoying Her Majesty s enemies, landing in their ice
    May 02, 2001 @ 00:12 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2266. clave typology & inventory in process
    nice going grant this consensus census & most nearly official inventory of the sovereign countries of the world certainly does move things along it isnt &
    May 02, 2001 @ 05:02 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2267. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Fly river
    the 2 sovereign divas themselves actually boogie forth in plain view ... Yep, nothing worse than flopping your full power on the table in front of other
    May 02, 2001 @ 00:19 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2268. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fiat boundaries
    jesper this question is more fascinating & playful than i first realized & your list might be increased by the following tho i am not sure about several of
    May 02, 2001 @ 06:03 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2269. Re: Fly river
    Thanks a lot, Brendan! Not only have you answered the question why the Fly became a boundary (headhunters have always been a problem in this area, and
    May 02, 2001 @ 06:45 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2270. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fiat boundaries
    ahh now i think i see what you really meant a single sector straight line boundary with no deliberate deflections a much more special category than i
    May 02, 2001 @ 13:48 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2271. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fiat boundaries
    & jesper of these 5 or 3 singular fiat boundaries we have found your chad nigeria line is probably the truest & purest in the world by virtue of being totally
    May 02, 2001 @ 16:43 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2272. Re: Fiat boundaries
    ... single ... Not deflected, but Lake Chad being a very salty one with fluctuating amounts of water (+salt) in it, there are possibly (also fluctuating)
    May 02, 2001 @ 17:41 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2273. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fiat boundaries
    The Nigeria-Chad boundary is a funny fish! And so is Lake Chad - on some maps the boundary is entirely wet, on some it is half wet, on some it cut islands, and
    May 02, 2001 @ 19:27 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2274. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fiat boundaries
    slight retrenchment from previous exuberance since both of the tripoints defining the wet singular fiat chad nigeria boundary are legally indefinite & have
    May 02, 2001 @ 19:50 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2275. Re: clave typology & inventory in process
    ... will bite ... That tripoint is well worth keeping on the back burner, however, since the U.N. are still pushing in a low key sort of way for the
    May 02, 2001 @ 16:31 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
  2276. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Fiat boundaries
    peter mentioned ... actually it is now a completely dry line as recent photos clearly show in http://www.afrol.com/Categories/Environment/env062_lake_chad.htm
    May 02, 2001 @ 22:38 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2277. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fiat boundaries
    sounds interesting fill us in further if or when you can m The Nigeria-Chad boundary is a funny fish! And so is Lake Chad - on some maps the boundary
    May 02, 2001 @ 22:42 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2278. Re: ok so where are we
    ... frontier ... fractal ... Oh, and of course there s the ever-popular option f): Ethnic cleansing. Grant
    May 02, 2001 @ 16:34 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
  2279. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fiat boundaries
    By the way, fiat boundaries don t have to be straight lines. Fiat boundaries are any boundaries that are located where they are because some authority declared
    May 02, 2001 @ 22:45 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  2280. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: ok so where are we
    ... I think the 111 and 51 are 1st and THIRD order, but exclude 2nd order. The figures are often listed as EXCHAGEABLE enclaves, which is first and third order
    May 02, 2001 @ 23:55 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2281. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Fiat boundaries
    Interesting about Iraq-Jordan. My newest atlas show a straight line, but expedia.com shows a zig zag. Is the caus border between Point Roberts and Lake Wood
    May 03, 2001 @ 05:35 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2282. Re: Fiat boundaries
    I wonder, since those boundaries were never defined, whether the states that were adjacent to the lake when it was still a lake and not a puddle, now want
    May 03, 2001 @ 08:07 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2283. Re: Fiat boundaries
    It just occured to me: if the countries could decide that each of it has to be bordering on the lake as long as it s there, then a real quadripoint will emerge
    May 03, 2001 @ 08:12 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2284. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fiat boundaries
    of course you are right as usual david & it makes me want to exchange the term singular fiat boundaries for which we have now most probably affirmed in
    May 03, 2001 @ 16:22 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2285. apparently normal again
    woke up this morning without my brendan waves who has them now instant m
    May 03, 2001 @ 16:29 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2286. caus straight or irregular
    actually brian has filed the ultimate dissertation on this topic but it would take a search or a chase goose to get us back to it i think one basic point of
    May 03, 2001 @ 17:13 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2287. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Fiat boundaries
    nice thinking tho now would you apply your powers to bwnazmzw too where we do stand a snowballs chance in chad m
    May 03, 2001 @ 17:17 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2288. Re: [BoundaryPoint] caus straight or irregular
    The CA-US border (Lake of the Woods to Point Robers) consists of a number of straight segments between boundary markers, it is sometimes as far as 1/4 mile
    May 03, 2001 @ 17:37 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  2289. Re: [BoundaryPoint] caus straight or irregular
    That rises a few questions: 1) Is the CA-US border (Lake of the Woods to Point Roberts) the 49th parallel and the markers wrong? Do the local know the actual
    May 03, 2001 @ 20:09 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2290. Re: caus straight or irregular
    You mean that along loxodromes the magnetic north is in exactly the same direction, or do you mean true north? I thought it was true north, actually, but I m
    May 03, 2001 @ 20:33 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2291. defrlu
    I think this is another defrlu hit. http://www.jv.dk/vis_stor_billed_1.asp?idnr=GBL30MEK.1 Jesper
    May 03, 2001 @ 20:56 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2292. Re: [BoundaryPoint] caus straight or irregular
    http://www.geocan.nrcan.gc.ca/ibc/coordinates/SECT-M-83.txt offers a fully illuminated & enjoyable ride west to east from which i was able to extrapolate the
    May 04, 2001 @ 00:19 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2293. new caus questions
    jesper ... the markers mark the true border & most locals probably know that the markers are a bit off the 49th parallel because the original surveys many
    May 04, 2001 @ 00:22 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2294. loxodromes
    ... me too but me too ... would that be the oblate ellipsoid thingie might affect great circle measurements on the order of 1 percent or maybe 1 tenth of a
    May 04, 2001 @ 00:38 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2295. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: caus straight or irregular
    ... True north. A loxodrome by definition maintains the same angle relative to true north. ... Earth is approximately an oblate spheroid, i.e. flattened
    May 04, 2001 @ 00:56 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  2296. Re: [BoundaryPoint] defrlu
    yes & i think i can see that dedelufr delufr delufrlu dipunctitriline there with my minds eye running off across the island & river between the 2 bridges &
    May 04, 2001 @ 01:13 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2297. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Fly river
    Yes, what i meant was it was easier for the Fly to be on the border, and so the whole of the river was then accessible for British subjects to enter and follow
    May 04, 2001 @ 04:48 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2298. Re: [BoundaryPoint] caus straight or irregular
    ... No, the markers are on the 49th, but because the 49th is not a great circle, it is not a straight line itself, but a curve concave north. So to overcome
    May 04, 2001 @ 08:15 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2299. Re: defrlu
    Not quite. The bridge in the background is a new motorway bridge that hasn t been finished yet. You can see a very small tip of the suspected dry condo at the
    May 04, 2001 @ 09:15 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2300. glenelg river etc
    so from what you indicate brendan it appears the glenelg actually does run in both directions how many rivers are there that can back up such a preposterous
    May 04, 2001 @ 15:04 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2301. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: defrlu
    right another nice catch the only boundaries in frame are delulu & dedelu running the full length of the near & far banks respectively no part of the
    May 04, 2001 @ 15:05 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2302. Re: [BoundaryPoint] caus straight or irregular
    according to the ibc data there are only 9 monuments anywhere in this series lying anywhere within 5 feet of the true 49th parallel 420 492 493 494 581 878 879
    May 04, 2001 @ 15:04 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2303. Re: [BoundaryPoint] glenelg river etc
    From a careful re-reading of Brendan s posting I don t see why you think the river flows in both directions. Brendan DESCRIBED it starting at the mouth and
    May 04, 2001 @ 15:17 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  2304. Re: [BoundaryPoint] glenelg river etc
    you are right it was only because i was rereading it in both directions other rivers & streams of this rare type appear to include aa france afa
    May 04, 2001 @ 16:42 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2305. Old dedk border
    Last photo og http://www.graenseregionsyd.dk/htm/5-turisme.htm show old dedk border before 1920 with boundary marker. Jesper
    May 04, 2001 @ 19:18 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2306. Re: [BoundaryPoint] caus straight or irregular
    It s interesting that demarcation actually changes the border. I guess the same will happen to eg Egypt-Libya in due time. What does the caus treaty say in any
    May 04, 2001 @ 19:18 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2307. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Fiat boundaries
    ... Define straight . Especially on a sphere. The only stright line on a sphere occurs on a great circle. A line following any parallel apart fomr the equator
    May 02, 2001 @ 00:50 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2308. Re: glenelg river etc
    ... Ha! What a marvellous list! Did you compile it yourself (and if so, how?), or did you find it somewhere? Smiling broadly, Grant
    May 04, 2001 @ 19:39 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
  2309. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tp Mocam-Zimb-S Afr N
    http://www.mandela.de/suedafrika/mbuzini/mbuzinihtm.htm Post from the witness: Hi there! Yes, that is the triple point, but it isa a long time ago, that I
    May 04, 2001 @ 20:12 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2310. how the fly got its name
    i know many of you have been wanting an answer to the question of how the fly river got its name the source could have been my old unreliable world atlas which
    May 05, 2001 @ 03:24 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
  2311. Re: how the fly got its name
    oops having some technical difficulties with the attachment trying it again now m
    May 04, 2001 @ 20:39 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2312. one last try
    oh well you probably know what i mean anyway m
    May 04, 2001 @ 20:48 - jane capellaro (jane capellaro <j@discovernet.net>)
  2313. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: glenelg river etc
    thanx pal yes i did just put it together now mostly from memory but several of the more obscure items i found only in the palindromicon by jeff grant word
    May 04, 2001 @ 21:10 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2314. Re: [BoundaryPoint] caus straight or irregular
    jesper It s interesting that demarcation actually changes the border. yes indeed now that you mention it a cogent & original observation I guess the
    May 04, 2001 @ 21:47 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2315. Re: one last try
    Yeah I can imagine (Rand McNallies knees-up that is). I used to work at a geographical data company like that. Until they went bust (one month ago that was.
    May 04, 2001 @ 21:38 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2316. brgyve
    http://www.hory.applet.cz/venezuela/ven_ror3_e.html
    May 04, 2001 @ 21:49 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2317. "just" a US tripoint
    http://www.tchgrey.com/Travel/NA/NY/PortJervis.html
    May 04, 2001 @ 21:52 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2318. planted in my mailbox

    May 04, 2001 @ 22:05 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2319. Re: Fiat boundaries
    I suspect that in a lot of cases, the principle of the boundary lay- out is specified in a treaty (like the 49 deg. line ), but the actual demarcation is left
    May 04, 2001 @ 21:56 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2320. Re: brgyve
    The reason for Venezuela to be such spoil-sports can be found here: http://www.guyanaguide.com/border/joseph.html Peter S.
    May 04, 2001 @ 22:02 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2321. Unknown
    CZ???? http://www.mariz.cz/eng/main.htm
    May 04, 2001 @ 22:05 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2322. Re: Unknown
    The village of Mariz (caron on r and z, acute on i) can be found near the Czech town of Slavonice (w.s.w. of it ), on the atcz border. Why it should be a
    May 04, 2001 @ 22:12 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2323. Re: [BoundaryPoint] "just" a US tripoint
    That was the first tri-state point I visited. When we finally got there, there was a fisherman sitting in all three states, i.e., sitting on the marker. He
    May 04, 2001 @ 22:44 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  2324. Re: caus straight or irregular
    Re Peter s point about approximations to the shape of the earth. The sphere is a first approximation. After that come various second approximations, all oblate
    May 04, 2001 @ 22:52 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
  2325. Re: [BoundaryPoint] brgyve
    well the bp daily digest has just arrived here & i must say that was our best & most riotous free for all to date & finest happy hour imo dozens of messages
    May 05, 2001 @ 02:54 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2326. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Fiat boundaries
    couldnt follow the dutch so well but it strikes me as very curious that areas subject to the accumulation of sand dunes would be specially marked by such low
    May 05, 2001 @ 02:54 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2327. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Unknown
    awfully sensible guess tho conceiving it as the double ghost tricountry point atbohe as well as the single ghost binational tripoint atcz2boheni the ni btw
    May 05, 2001 @ 13:23 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2328. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Unknown Tp!
    Peter S. - yes, maybe a wild guess - but a good one, as well !!! I just checked it out - one of the most valuable books in my collection is an old Allgemeiner
    May 05, 2001 @ 13:26 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  2329. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: caus straight or irregular
    exquisitely done maestro can you also say which of the 3 choices gps survey technology adopts & whether this points to a most consensual usage or is it
    May 05, 2001 @ 13:51 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2330. Re: Fiat boundaries
    I too think that this is strange. But some stones have metal rods planted on them, 1.20 m long, with a small sign on top, on which probably used to be a
    May 05, 2001 @ 13:57 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2331. m@d dam
    rivers running in both directions redoubled by water over the dam in all 4 as promised m
    May 05, 2001 @ 14:14 - jane capellaro (jane capellaro <j@discovernet.net>)
  2332. Re: caus straight or irregular
    ... The basis for GPS is the WGS84 ellipsoid. But my (rather elderly) GPS receiver provides conversion to many local mapping systems, based on many
    May 05, 2001 @ 14:21 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
  2333. Re: [BoundaryPoint] "just" a US tripoint
    may all our tripointing be so poignant & just for us & everyone with the pointed exception of ctmari of course could you believe that goulash tho musta been
    May 05, 2001 @ 17:13 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2334. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tp Mocam-Zimb-S Afr N
    from what all your presumably nonlocal informants & specifically your sun god witness & the photo captions say it seems likely that you have mzszzan within the
    May 05, 2001 @ 19:15 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2335. how many model earths & how much do they vary
    ok major thanx again grant so i am still not sure i have understood everything yet but it appears there may actually be 4 distinct levels of accuracy
    May 05, 2001 @ 20:03 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2336. Re: [BoundaryPoint] planted in my mailbox
    That s only the tip of the iceberg in our fair dominion. Try this one on for size: Ontario privacy commissioner denounces mail opening
    May 05, 2001 @ 20:00 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
  2337. Re: [BoundaryPoint] planted in my mailbox
    hahaha but you know canada is actually the civilized & better half of our continent at least you guys are officially & explicitly committed to privacy there &
    May 05, 2001 @ 21:20 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2338. Re: how many model earths & how much do they vary
    ... Actually only three - spheroid and ellipsoid are interchangeable terms, the first being a little antique. In the U.K. we had until recently the
    May 05, 2001 @ 21:14 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
  2339. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: how many model earths & how much do they vary
    beauty grant i am very pleased with both of us curiously my old unreliable dictionary that i like to keep next to my old unreliable atlas was misleading me by
    May 06, 2001 @ 00:01 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2340. Re: how many model earths & how much do they vary
    ... my old ... particular ... one of ... sections ... True enough. It s just that all the reference ellipsoids used here are oblate ellipsoids of rotation
    May 06, 2001 @ 00:46 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
  2341. UK zoomable map
    http://www.ordsvy.gov.uk/ has a nice zommable map function. Zoom into the IEUK border. Jesper
    May 06, 2001 @ 16:31 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2342. April update
    http://www.borderpictures.com has been trimmed. I few broken links are gone (sorry!!) and some added. Jesper
    May 06, 2001 @ 19:42 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2343. Enclave access
    Musing on the freedom of access to some enclaves: Busingen, Madha, Campione, Llivia, Baarle, through which one can drive or walk without hindrance. Access to
    May 07, 2001 @ 00:38 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
  2344. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Enclave access
    The Cooch Behar enclaves are freely accessible, you can just wlak in, but if one asks for official permission, one runs into the bureaucracy. Neither countyr
    May 07, 2001 @ 02:27 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2345. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Enclave access
    Hi Grant, the two Cypriot villages are very easy to visit, as there are no borders whatsoever between British and Cypriot territories - for someone actually
    May 07, 2001 @ 05:27 - rpalmber@abo.fi (rpalmber@...)
  2346. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tp Mocam-Zimb-S Afr N
    I have had no problem buying topo maps ofmr south africe. Write to them by normal mail and they will send you their catalogue and they take visa, so it is easy
    May 05, 2001 @ 10:06 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2347. Old boundary marker
    Not a photograph, but a painting of an old boundary marker of the empire of Alexander the Great near Kabul. I wonder whether it s still there, or that it has
    May 08, 2001 @ 16:21 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2348. global clave census in progress
    since we now have good reason to expect accurate bengal clave counts later this year from brendan & since we are not aware of any other outstanding de jure
    May 08, 2001 @ 22:05 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2349. accommodation in Baarle
    For those of you going on the tripoint tour in September, may I recommend the following accommodation options: IF stopping at the Vennbahn enclaves, there is a
    May 09, 2001 @ 02:08 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2350. accommodation in Baarle
    For those of you going on the tripoint tour in September, may I recommend the following accommodation options: IF stopping at the Vennbahn enclaves, there is a
    May 09, 2001 @ 02:09 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2351. accommodation in Baarle
    For those of you going on the tripoint tour in September, may I recommend the following accommodation options: IF stopping at the Vennbahn enclaves, there is a
    May 09, 2001 @ 02:09 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2352. accommodation in Baarle
    For those of you going on the tripoint tour in September, may I recommend the following accommodation options: IF stopping at the Vennbahn enclaves, there is a
    May 09, 2001 @ 02:10 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2353. chdefr
    http://www.imasy.org/~kei-aso/mov/drei.mov
    May 09, 2001 @ 04:56 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2354. Re: global clave census in progress
    In this story the figure 12 nautical miles is constantly mentioned, but I think it has to be mentioned too that this is not just 12 nm from the coast line; it
    May 09, 2001 @ 06:49 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2355. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: global clave census in progress
    The problem with Gibraltar is Spain doesn t recognize it. And Morocco doesn t recognize Ceuta. So whose waters are there is a moot point. See O Reilly, 1994
    May 09, 2001 @ 07:25 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2356. Re: global clave census in progress
    ... azerbaijan ... According to my old Soviet atlas, Rolf is right. One of these Azeri enclaves belongs to Nakhichevan. Still, since this map is not very
    May 09, 2001 @ 07:39 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2357. Re: global clave census in progress
    This problem with Gibraltar being British and Ceuta Spanish doesn t help matters, that s true. But I was really wondering whether in narrow, but important sea
    May 09, 2001 @ 07:50 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2358. Re: global clave census in progress
    Peter: Straits used for international navigation get a whole section of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea to themselves (see Part III of the
    May 09, 2001 @ 12:43 - Martin Pratt ("Martin Pratt" <m.a.pratt@...>)
  2359. Passing foreign territory
    Thanks Martin! So Ceuta and Spain could very well be linked by Spanish territorial sea. You mentioning the fact that the states adjoining the Strait of
    May 09, 2001 @ 13:40 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2360. Re: [BoundaryPoint] accommodation in Baarle-thanks Brendan!
    Thanks Brendan for your concern regarding accomodation-but everything has been taken care of in the mean- time... found a hotel in Baarle-H. just a few hundred
    May 09, 2001 @ 13:58 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  2361. Re: global clave census in progress
    I guess I feel unhappy with using the 12nm limit, simply because it does chop up island groups that *feel* contiguous - Michael s 14 bits of the Coral Sea
    May 09, 2001 @ 17:16 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
  2362. Re: global clave census in progress
    I can understand completely your unease, Grant. But to expand the thing from the terr. waters to EEZ s is really expanding the notion in order to feel more at
    May 09, 2001 @ 17:38 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2363. Re: global clave census in progress
    ... The flip side is that we shouldn t make ourselves uneasy in order to hang on to a maritime/terrestrial analogy that s far from perfect. And there are
    May 09, 2001 @ 19:55 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
  2364. re conclave in process
    thank you all for the many excellent clave thoughts & i would like to proceed however & whenever possible tho i will soon be going out to play for a few weeks
    May 10, 2001 @ 05:49 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2365. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: global clave census in progress
    thanx for these & your other comments peter all good points 12nm from coasts & baselines as claimed should probably be the standard i agree rather than
    May 10, 2001 @ 05:50 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2366. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: global clave census in progress
    martin was saying ... & this is the only peg we have to hang our analytic hat on in this area but it ought to be sufficient both for this area & generally tho
    May 10, 2001 @ 05:52 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2367. Re: [BoundaryPoint] chdefr
    couldnt access can you describe it m
    May 10, 2001 @ 05:52 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2368. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: how many model earths & how much do they vary
    would have said so sooner but was distracted this was a perfect conclusion to a perfect extended lesson for me & i hope everyone got so much out of it all as i
    May 10, 2001 @ 05:53 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2369. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Old boundary marker
    at last a mate worthy of breintenstein are there any other infos or guesses available m
    May 10, 2001 @ 05:53 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2370. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Passing foreign territory
    interesting as usual peter another example occurs on interstate highway 684 which crosses the westernmost corner of connecticut without affording any direct
    May 10, 2001 @ 05:54 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2371. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Passing foreign territory
    ... According to the map in O Reilly they are. ... [...etc] Agreements over roads/rail are different to at sea, because at sea it is international law that
    May 10, 2001 @ 00:34 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2372. Re: Passing foreign territory
    ... it is ... passage. I am sorry if I have given you the impression that I thought it wasn t different. I understand very well that it is. ... and roads ...
    May 10, 2001 @ 07:42 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2373. Re: Passing foreign territory
    ... I suspect that this name applies to all of the Czech territory around the city of Sluknov (caron on S). ... This description is not accurate. The short
    May 10, 2001 @ 07:59 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2374. Re: Passing foreign territory
    Michael, do you recall if I-684 is marked as such? I drove it years ago, but can t remember if the boundary was marked at each end. Bill
    May 10, 2001 @ 10:59 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  2375. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Passing foreign territory
    this title sounds like we have been eating track again but it is a funny mile or so of it there i used to drive the whole stretch regularly in fact ever
    May 10, 2001 @ 15:12 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2376. oz breakthroughs
    too speechless to harp on the 7 hitherto unmentioned but clearly authentic ozzie exclave enclaves in papua which so stunned me earlier this week i was also
    May 10, 2001 @ 15:47 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2377. claves as bubbles
    this is probably not the first single clave erected into a web page but it may be the first called bubbleland http://motelmag.com/articles/bubbleland.html i
    May 10, 2001 @ 15:58 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2378. Time zone boundaries
    In my old job, I was once asked if it is possible in the United States to say in which time zone an address is located from the state or county it is in.
    May 10, 2001 @ 20:15 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2379. Re: Time zone boundaries
    Just found an article about Gulf county s time warp: http://www.newsherald.com/archive/gulf/td070298.htm . On the little map, White City is sitting right on
    May 10, 2001 @ 20:27 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2380. World 200nm EEZ survey
    Since I seem to be the champion of the 200nm Exclusive Economic Zone territorial limit, I thought I d revisit Michael s posting 1281, and provide what
    May 10, 2001 @ 22:17 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
  2381. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Time zone boundaries
    according to my recent )undated) rand mcnally atlas, the time zone boundary follows Apalachicola R from Lake seminole to the head of an inlet N of Bay city.
    May 11, 2001 @ 02:22 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2382. gulf county
    Looking at the De Lorme Atals, the Intracoastal waterway would seem to be the spot chosen for the line. It and the swamp around it isolated the south of Gulf
    May 11, 2001 @ 04:30 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2383. Re: [BoundaryPoint] World 200nm EEZ survey
    beautifully done once again grant i am your greatest fan in this even if i have turned my attention to the 12nm limits for actually the 2 versions of reality
    May 11, 2001 @ 07:09 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2384. more about clave counting
    thanx again to grant now the 12nmers will have to play catch up so everyone please do feel free to run or not to run with any or all of this counting
    May 11, 2001 @ 07:10 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2385. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Time zone boundaries
    nice hole in reality peter which i chanced to visit recently while en route from alflga to shore dinner in apalachicola but unwittingly since i am normally
    May 11, 2001 @ 07:11 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2386. Thanks
    Hello Mats Thanks alot for the great material. So far I have only scanned through it, and I look forward to seeing you in June. I have plenty of questions for
    May 11, 2001 @ 10:06 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2387. Re: Time zone boundaries
    In my US atlas (some promotional one, issued by an insurance company, but the small print say it is Rand McNally, 1997), I have found these cases where a time
    May 11, 2001 @ 10:50 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2388. Re: gulf county
    ... to be ... the south ... to the ... unrailed, seems ... Florida. ... slightly ... the ... I think the waterway is the most logical choice, too. Rand McNally
    May 11, 2001 @ 11:12 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2389. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Time zone boundaries
    hahahaha first you amaze & delight us by saying you know of only one case keeping us up half the night marvelling at your precious rarity then you amaze &
    May 11, 2001 @ 13:38 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2390. Re: Time zone boundaries
    I did know of one case, but then I thought of checking it in an atlas as well... It is not the first time here at BoundaryPoint that I ask something, and then
    May 11, 2001 @ 13:46 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2391. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Time zone boundaries
    heres to lost sleep & all dreams postponed but it is also wonderful to be roused into seeing that time zones in the usa at least have always been rather flakey
    May 11, 2001 @ 16:53 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2392. iqkwsa
    http://www.lava.net/~fstop/egypt.html Yes, I know it is a satellite shot, but the borders are amazingly clear. Jesper
    May 11, 2001 @ 17:49 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2393. testing etc
    just testing the new facilities pardon i didnt get that iqkwsa shot from outer space either except maybe if it landed a few countries short also it turns out
    May 11, 2001 @ 19:35 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
  2394. Re: testing etc
    ... What do you mean? ... Me neither.. Jesper, please, be more precise (is it the right url?). This should be the old quadripoint iqkwsa+neutral, I guess. ...
    May 11, 2001 @ 21:28 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2395. Re: World 200nm EEZ survey
    ... Ah but. Peter just wrote how as soon as he posts a question here, he finds the answer for himself. Preserving the 12nm/200nm symmetry you ve just delighted
    May 11, 2001 @ 23:19 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
  2396. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: testing etc
    peter s ... that message came via a hotmail hookup i have which bill has just upgraded & now this one is via the usual email thus improving communication
    May 12, 2001 @ 00:33 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2397. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: World 200nm EEZ survey
    right in both the 12nm & the 200nm descriptions we have mostly only theoretical models or perhaps presumptive ones which in any case are usually incomplete &
    May 12, 2001 @ 00:48 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2398. Re: World 200nm EEZ survey
    Are you sure France only claims the full 200 nm EEZ around Kerguelen? According to the French Overseas Department (see http://www.outre-
    May 12, 2001 @ 13:47 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2399. Re: World 200nm EEZ survey
    ... Kerguelen? Not at all - that s why I said calls into question , not makes it wrong . The French site isn t entirely specific, but the default
    May 12, 2001 @ 17:53 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
  2400. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: World 200nm EEZ survey
    peter & grant but also everyone else let me add too about these points & more generally how gratifying & inspiring it is to be joined in such hot pursuit &
    May 12, 2001 @ 23:08 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2401. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Time zone boundaries
    I have asked many academics and received no answer, but this group always seems to have answers, so here goes: if there were no such thing as an hour, what is
    May 12, 2001 @ 23:49 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  2402. sawanabori rocks wet or dry
    not a question about a low tide elevation but an appreciation & enhancement of the allegedly ancient japanese or possibly just fantastic art & sport &
    May 12, 2001 @ 23:58 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2403. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Time zone boundaries
    Lloydminster is a town half in Almerta (Canada) and half in Saskatchewan, that straddles a time-zone boundary as well as a Provincial boundary. In the summer,
    May 12, 2001 @ 23:52 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  2404. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Time zone boundaries
    actually the romans divided only the day & the dial into 12 hours just as they divided the year & the zodiac into 12 months so it is really their dozen
    May 13, 2001 @ 02:45 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2405. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Time zone boundaries
    china has only one time zone, but is the same width as the lower 48. This causes problems during exams in Urumuchi when the locals there have to get up in the
    May 13, 2001 @ 03:44 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2406. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Time zone boundaries
    there was an article in a geog jounral some time back about that city. and its problems and advantages. do you know it? BW ...
    May 13, 2001 @ 03:45 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2407. boundary mon
    just saw the british ambassador to the usa on cspan saying the architectural statue of churchill outside the british embassy in washington is distinguished by
    May 13, 2001 @ 13:22 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2408. Cyprus revisited
    http://www.qsl.net/5b4fl/zc4fl.htm On this amateur-radio related site is a clickable map of Cyprus. It shows an enclave formed by the UN buffer zone. I expect
    May 13, 2001 @ 20:24 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <h.ten.veen@...>)
  2409. RE: [BoundaryPoint] sawanabori rocks wet or dry
    Michael, Is your definition of the true source the highest point from which water is continuously flowing or the longest distance from the mouth to the most
    May 13, 2001 @ 20:54 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
  2410. Re: Cyprus revisited
    ... Turkish ... I think you re talking about the little section of coast surrounded by the UN buffer zone (west of the main Turkish zone)? It contains about
    May 13, 2001 @ 21:01 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
  2411. Re: World 200nm EEZ survey
    ... ends Absolutely. Having arrived late and spent time rummaging in the archive of this group, I m acutely aware of how much information is stored there, but
    May 13, 2001 @ 21:26 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@cs.com)
  2412. RE: [BoundaryPoint] sawanabori rocks wet or dry
    many thanx jack & huge congrats to us both for agreeing perfectly on both best & second best guesses as it was no easy job but even more wonderful to learn of
    May 13, 2001 @ 23:36 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2413. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: World 200nm EEZ survey
    grant ... are you kiddin you know we cant get too much of this stuff ... that is why i like to give an old message number whenever i can which is feeble but
    May 14, 2001 @ 00:04 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2414. Bronx,Lloydminster, Vernon,Kaskaskia...
    Ex Libris Meam: Some interesting professional geographers writing on quasi-enclaves (buildings and property split by municipal boundaries), a saingle urban
    May 14, 2001 @ 00:29 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2415. njnyus by qe2
    jack ... oops i was mistaken about nyrius as it will be hidden both by montauk point & darkness but if you are interested & if you do depart on time & the
    May 14, 2001 @ 02:04 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2416. Re: World 200nm EEZ survey
    I agree with Grant that the CIA World Factbook is generally reliable on jurisdictional issues, but I too am puzzled as to why it states that the French EEZ in
    May 14, 2001 @ 08:23 - Martin Pratt ("Martin Pratt" <m.a.pratt@...>)
  2417. RE: [BoundaryPoint] njnyus by qe2
    michael, can you give me approx coordinates for njnyus? Hopefully we will set sail enough before dark to be able to see something. I tried to send a map of
    May 14, 2001 @ 14:05 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
  2418. RE: [BoundaryPoint] njnyus by qe2
    jack thank you very much & delighted we can be together this way on our distant journeys i think elephants & other giants do this too with ultrasound & such
    May 14, 2001 @ 16:05 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2419. Contient marker
    http://www.trailblazer-guides.com/books/transsib/index.html?http%3A//www.trailblazer-guides.com/books/transsib/reading.html
    May 14, 2001 @ 19:36 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2420. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Contient marker
    interesting what they call an obelisk out there but it is well designed for its use as a line monument rather than as a pointy point monument btw jesper some
    May 14, 2001 @ 20:32 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2421. Re: Contient marker
    ... 3A//www.trailblazer-guides.com/books/transsib/reading.html Ah, the only border monument mentioned in this group that I ve actually visited. I hung out of
    May 14, 2001 @ 22:13 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
  2422. illinois counties
    http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilcumber/ilctybnd/ilall.htm BW _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail
    May 14, 2001 @ 23:59 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2423. RE: [BoundaryPoint] njnyus by qe2
    Michael, Do I understand correctly that the njnyus point is at the intersection of the nj-ny line and the red line at the edge of block 492. If so I got
    May 15, 2001 @ 04:40 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
  2424. RE: [BoundaryPoint] njnyus by qe2
    jack ... yes the red line is the 3 nautical mile line aka the outer limit of state territorial waters since 1953 as discussed in bus&ss pp 44 thru 47
    May 15, 2001 @ 06:14 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2425. Re: [BoundaryPoint] illinois counties
    quite a treat brendan i think there may be a few other states fully worked up like this florida for one & i trust everyone knows the canadian territorial
    May 15, 2001 @ 06:47 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2426. Re: Contient marker
    Another fine Europe-Asia boundary marker. Nice one. This boundary is intriguing: it is a continent boundary, but there are sections of it that don t coincide
    May 15, 2001 @ 10:39 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2427. Re: World 200nm EEZ survey
    ... contribution ... Is this a temporary problem, or would you like me to e-mail you a tab- delimited file? Grant
    May 15, 2001 @ 12:54 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
  2428. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Contient marker
    gorgeous stuff peter this is our finest happy hour wonderful to see how a presumably all natural boundary still had to be diligently searched out & agreed
    May 15, 2001 @ 13:30 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2429. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: World 200nm EEZ survey
    grant no problem i just cant see or download stuff like this yet i see you also just posted a file to the group tho again without actually seeing it fantastic
    May 15, 2001 @ 13:29 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2430. Topozone Discrepancies
    Anyone using www.topozone.com to acquire GPS coordinates should be aware that they are using a mixture of NAD27 and NAD83 UTM coordinates, but there is no way
    May 15, 2001 @ 14:15 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  2431. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Topozone Discrepancies
    cool this is almost exactly the difference between jacks & my njnyus coords since i used topozone only to measure distances but usgs source materials to pin
    May 15, 2001 @ 14:44 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2432. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Topozone Discrepancies
    Thanks Bryan. It will be interesting to see what their response will be. I ve also been relying on Topozone on the job... Bill ... [www.debticated.com]
    May 15, 2001 @ 18:00 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  2433. Re: Topozone Discrepancies
    There is more to this problem - a 200 meter discrepancy is too large to be accounted for by a change from NAD27 to NAD83 alone. Also, the problem seems to be
    May 15, 2001 @ 18:17 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  2434. Re: Topozone Discrepancies
    See message 2444, but basically I think you will be OK if you use only the geocoordinates and not the UTM coordinates displayed by topozone. BJB ... will ...
    May 15, 2001 @ 18:19 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  2435. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Contient marker
    The link of msg 2403 iqkwsa should be: http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/newsletter/html_Mir/human.html while 2364 of chdefr is a 360 degress shot of the tp. Jesper ...
    May 15, 2001 @ 19:33 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2436. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Continent marker
    The Asia-Europe boundary markers come as a huge surprise to me. I have always thought that the Ural mountain boundary was just a broad undefined aproximate
    May 15, 2001 @ 20:09 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2437. This From Topozone
    I received the following reply from topozone regarding the UTM coordinate problem. I take it they have not looked at too many USGS ... Brian - I will look
    May 15, 2001 @ 20:18 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  2438. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Contient marker
    thank you thank you it is a little hard to call but the iqkwsa point does appear to lie in the small oilpatch area touching the left margin in line with the
    May 15, 2001 @ 21:38 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2439. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Topozone Discrepancies
    Good to hear...in most cases (depending on terrain) resolution to the nearest second generally suffices for me anyway. Bill ... [www.debticated.com]
    May 15, 2001 @ 21:35 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  2440. Re: Topozone Discrepancies
    Since you are in Florida, I have to ask - what terrain? BJB ... the ... should be ... relied on ... up ... the ... datum ... Service.
    May 15, 2001 @ 21:42 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  2441. Re: Topozone Discrepancies
    This whole coordinate issue may turn out to be a problem with my [older unit] GPS. I ll let you know. BJB ... the ... should be ... relied on ... up ... the
    May 15, 2001 @ 21:43 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  2442. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Continent marker
    i like to think the 2 great canals form the 2 great divides of the 4 great continents not that europe & australia & antarctica are not great mind you but i
    May 15, 2001 @ 21:55 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2443. Re: Continent marker
    With continental boundaries, sometimes the natural ones are adhered to. Natural means: according to animals, plants etc. occurring in one or another continent.
    May 15, 2001 @ 22:06 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2444. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Topozone Discrepancies
    hey we climbed lake okeechobee didnt we http://home.wanadoo.nl/~eefberns/gp-frsp400-achterkant.jpg was the actual background as i recall isnt that right bill
    May 15, 2001 @ 22:29 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2445. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Continent marker
    peter ... indeed we should all get a piece of your action so it might also be a good idea to have as many bicontinental countries as possible in which we could
    May 15, 2001 @ 23:38 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2446. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Continent marker
    ... Asia-Africa: political: Egypt/Israel and Gaza/Egypt boundary. Or for a nicer physical line, the suez canal which leaves Sinai in Asia. Or seeing Sinai is
    May 15, 2001 @ 23:57 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2447. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Continent marker
    Someone wrote a book recently The Myth of Continents or somesuch.Anyone read it? I think his argument was that we look at a map and think continents but in
    May 16, 2001 @ 00:02 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2448. Re: Continent marker
    My friend Ginge, who is even now attempting to climb the highest mountain in every country in Africa, ran into a peculiar hazard of the Africa/Asia divide -
    May 16, 2001 @ 00:21 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
  2449. Re: Topozone Discrepancies
    Ah, yes. I see you rely on the most recent USGS maps. BJB ... use ... by ... response ... They ... Arc ... ended ... Using ... 6166:N/A=55 ... Yahoo! ...
    May 16, 2001 @ 00:34 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  2450. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Topozone Discrepancies
    Terrain in Florida is suprisingly varied, but it s a matter of scale. Compare the rolling horse farms in the Ocala area with the Everglades or the Kissimmee
    May 16, 2001 @ 01:09 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  2451. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Continent marker
    brendan ... i like your entire analysis & would only diddle tho not quarrel over this last point since clearly you are right in meaning that the darien gap as
    May 16, 2001 @ 03:15 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2452. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Continent marker
    Wallace came up with an evolutionary theory contemporary to Darwin. He was working in the dutch East Indies, and dicovered a massive and abrupt line of species
    May 16, 2001 @ 06:54 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2453. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Continent marker
    grant sounds like our kind of guy to be sure i wonder if jack has ever bumped into him up there & it seems like ginge may even have hit a few mountain peak
    May 16, 2001 @ 16:19 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2454. 2 more united states trifederal points posited in caribbean
    the world of american try pointing was rocked this morning by the probable discovery of the nations first trimaritime twins prusvin & prusvis the 84th & 85th
    May 16, 2001 @ 16:20 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2455. Laurel Massage (Not)
    Mike, after reading this I guess I ll skip the laurel massage: http://www.fs.fed.us/ipnf/eco/yourforest/poisonousplants/mtnlaurel.htm l BJB
    May 16, 2001 @ 17:59 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  2456. Laurel Massage (Not) (Again)
    What the L . Yahoo didn t include the final L in my last message, thus rendering my URL urlsless. Here is it again, hopefully in a usable form:
    May 16, 2001 @ 18:02 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  2457. re mountain laurels etc
    perhaps i should explain that last in joke by my friend here for he & i were once so hot on the trail of ctmany & cth & masw & maw a fairly tight cluster of
    May 16, 2001 @ 19:51 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2458. Continent tp
    Just playing with the thought: EU-AS-AF: level with ISLB-border/Antalaya (is Rodos Asia or Europe?!) No other I guess, perhaps AN-AF-SA Jesper
    May 16, 2001 @ 20:09 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2459. Is Cyprus Europe or Asia
    When I was in Cyprus, I regarded it as Europe. The guide even made os go to Cape Greco the most south-eastern corner of Europe. But flying home it stroke me,
    May 16, 2001 @ 20:10 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2460. Do continental names matter?
    What about Israel, she is part of and has won the European Song Contest. Greenland shares a King with Denmark, but that does not make Greenland part of EC.
    May 16, 2001 @ 21:28 - Emi Boass (Emi Boass <eb3@...>)
  2461. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Is Cyprus Europe or Asia
    Excuse me for bringing this mess into this group.... but, When I refer to my Radio-amateurs handbook I find: Cyprus = AS (Asia) (it is recognised as one
    May 16, 2001 @ 22:15 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <h.ten.veen@...>)
  2462. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Is Cyprus Europe or Asia
    Harry, it s not trivial at all! Bill (KA1KF/4) - DXCC
    May 16, 2001 @ 22:33 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  2463. Lake maps
    To follow up the Australia shaped lake in Geelong, the North End pond/pool in Canberra and the world lake in Denmark, Taman Mini, a national-integrationist
    May 17, 2001 @ 02:04 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <b.whyte@...>)
  2464. Re: Do continental names matter?
    Continental names don t matter more or less than anything else discussed here, I guess. ... Contest. And plays in all kinds of European sports leagues. Israel
    May 17, 2001 @ 07:55 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2465. Re: Is Cyprus Europe or Asia
    ... No, the more the merrier. ... Yes. I think Azeri is the adjective. But I could be wrong, because it could be the adjective to the people. And that includes
    May 17, 2001 @ 08:13 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2466. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Do continental names matter?
    Andorra shares a president with France, but isn t in the EC either. Does that mean it s not european? I don t think it enters eurovision either! SEATO included
    May 17, 2001 @ 09:48 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2467. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Is Cyprus Europe or Asia
    ... That s British irony. Something to do with the habits of Britain s continental neighbours of urinating in the street and therefore being in-continent .
    May 17, 2001 @ 09:55 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2468. Re: Do continental names matter?
    It is, more often than not, a question of some political decisions. French Guyana is definitely part of France proper, being a DOM (overseas department). So
    May 17, 2001 @ 10:09 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2469. More holes in the world EEZ
    See this site for three holes in New Zealand s complicated EEZ, including one tiny one created by the juxtaposition of the Kermadecs EEZ and the indentation in
    May 17, 2001 @ 11:02 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <grant.l.hutchison@...>)
  2470. Re: More holes in the world EEZ
    What I do find strange, however, is that the EEZ boundary around the Kermadecs is not interrupted. I can t see from this map whether the Kermadec EEZ actually
    May 17, 2001 @ 11:35 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2471. Re: More holes in the world EEZ
    ... Right enough. I ve been puzzled by other maps of the same area that also leave the boundary uninterrupted - up to now I ve been thinking this was due to
    May 17, 2001 @ 11:57 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <grant.l.hutchison@...>)
  2472. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Is Cyprus Europe or Asia
    ... & even if it were trivial a word which began like us by meaning to say just 3way as in trijunction or tripointing etc etc it would still be right at
    May 17, 2001 @ 14:11 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
  2473. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Time zone boundaries
    another similar situation exists in college corner, ohio and west college corner, indiana. the new york times had an article on these towns a few years ago,
    May 17, 2001 @ 14:38 - Beckett, Bob ("Beckett, Bob" <Bob.Beckett@...>)
  2474. What was the Kamp van Zeist?
    Following the Lockerbie bombing, the two suspects were eventually tried at the Kamp van Zeist location in the Netherlands. In many publications, it is said
    May 17, 2001 @ 15:33 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2475. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Is Cyprus Europe or Asia
    Peter: ... According to the DXCC-list the entity Italy includes Pantelleria. Ceuta & Melilla (AF) is a separate entity. Likewise Spain (EU), Belearic Is. (EU),
    May 17, 2001 @ 18:34 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <h.ten.veen@...>)
  2476. Re: Is Cyprus Europe or Asia
    ... Belearic Is. (EU), Canary Is. (AF) are seperate entities. ... Can you tell me where La Nube is? This is the first time I hear of it, and I can t find it in
    May 17, 2001 @ 20:35 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2477. Re: Is Cyprus Europe or Asia
    ... I have it from a list of many, many Spanish islands. It is refered to as Isla de la Nube (Alboran). So it should be near Alboran !? ... UK. ... No, No..
    May 17, 2001 @ 21:45 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
  2478. Re: What was the Kamp van Zeist?
    Peter, I have a web page saved on my PC, a fact sheet of Ministerie van Justitie. I would have attached it if my mail was working correctly. (this is typed on
    May 17, 2001 @ 22:00 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
  2479. Re: Do continental names matter?
    ... I m reminded of my father s story of a very English officer he knew in the Royal Air Force during WWII. He used to say: *Everything* matters, but nothing
    May 17, 2001 @ 23:33 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
  2480. Re: [BoundaryPoint] More holes in the world EEZ
    There are 2 interesting NZ stamps in this regard. One 20c one came out in the mid 70s, showing the EEZ. It shows the 2 holes in the mid and south sections, and
    May 18, 2001 @ 00:19 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2481. Re: [BoundaryPoint] What was the Kamp van Zeist?
    I suspect it was temporarily extraterritorial. If someone had bombed it, i beht the netherlands and not the Scots would have been the ones to declare war. And
    May 18, 2001 @ 00:29 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2482. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: What was the Kamp van Zeist?
    http://www.minjust.nl/a_beleid/fact/cfact8.htm it s in Dutch though. :( BW ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get
    May 18, 2001 @ 00:37 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2483. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Armenian/Azeri enclaves
    Hi everyone. Brady Riesling s site on Rediscoveing Armenia (updated regularly) http://www.arminco.com/embusa/brady.htm has nice large-scale maps & info on the
    May 18, 2001 @ 05:27 - rpalmber@abo.fi (rpalmber@...)
  2484. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Armenian/Azeri enclaves
    Addendum: Last year s version is more easily accessible http://www.cilicia.com/armo5_brady.html and the name is Kiesling, not Riesling (sorry!). Rolf (again)
    May 18, 2001 @ 05:33 - rpalmber@abo.fi (rpalmber@...)
  2485. Re: Is Cyprus Europe or Asia
    ... OK, OK. I will stop making jokes or being cynical. Peter S.
    May 18, 2001 @ 08:04 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2486. Re: What was the Kamp van Zeist?
    I ve found it. I think I will be able to make a little translation of it, so Brendan can read it too (and others). What I haven t found is your web site,
    May 18, 2001 @ 08:06 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2487. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Is Cyprus Europe or Asia
    And what about the greek island of Rhodos!! Asia or Europe? Jesper
    May 18, 2001 @ 08:07 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2488. Re: Armenian/Azeri enclaves
    Brilliant maps! Pity the maps don t always adjoin. And some things fall off, for example half of the Armenian enclave Artsvashen. So the Azeri enclaves in
    May 18, 2001 @ 09:13 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2489. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Armenian/Azeri enclaves
    I cannot prove this, but I am now convinced that the name Azatamut is not in fact the name of the enclave (although on the map it s written in the middle of
    May 18, 2001 @ 09:24 - rpalmber@abo.fi (rpalmber@...)
  2490. Re: What was the Kamp van Zeist?
    This is the translation [between square brackets: my comments]: Ministry of Justice Fact Sheet April 4, 1999 The Lockerbie court case To get out of a deadlock
    May 18, 2001 @ 11:21 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2491. Re: Armenian/Azeri enclaves
    I can t prove anything either, but it could well be that this enclave has an Armenian and an Azeri name. Remember that the enclave is under Armenian
    May 18, 2001 @ 11:34 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2492. Re: Armenian/Azeri enclaves
    Now I m convinced it is the same enclave. This Armenian fellow has printed the Armenian names (in latin letters) on top of a Russian map. But underneath
    May 18, 2001 @ 11:40 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2493. Re: Armenian/Azeri enclaves
    ... I ve seen at least one atlas that applies the name Azatamut to the town just east of the enclave (which looks to be called Aigehovit on the Armenian maps.)
    May 18, 2001 @ 13:13 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <grant.l.hutchison@...>)
  2494. More about the Kermadecs
    The Kermadecs are certainly interesting. Looking at the New Zealand EEZ map, I think we can be sure the southern boundary of the Kermadec EEZ is based on
    May 18, 2001 @ 18:38 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
  2495. Rockall
    I m not going to try to recalculate the Kermadec story (although I hope there s a high sea enclave there), because I do not have the means for that within
    May 18, 2001 @ 18:57 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2496. Re: What was the Kamp van Zeist?
    ... of ... Here is the English version; sorry Peter for your translating efforts; http://www.minjust.nl:8080/a_beleid/fact/cfact8.htm I am hesitating about
    May 18, 2001 @ 19:10 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
  2497. Re: Is Cyprus Europe or Asia
    ... Dxcc has 4 (four) Greek entities; all in EU: Greece, Mount Athos, Dodecanese (includes Rhodos) and Crete. gl Harry ten Veen
    May 18, 2001 @ 19:14 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
  2498. Re: What was the Kamp van Zeist?
    ... Not at all. Nice to see I didn t make too bad a job of it. ... BoundaryPoint ... So it s us keeping you from the real work then... ... Sounds interesting
    May 18, 2001 @ 19:58 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2499. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: What was the Kamp van Zeist?
    ... From: Peter Smaardijk To: Sent: vrijdag 18 mei 2001 21:58 Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: What was the
    May 18, 2001 @ 21:06 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <h.ten.veen@...>)
  2500. Custom-hedges in India
    This information comes from a Dutch TV-magazine in which the author Boudewijn Büch wrote a little article on the subject Custom-hedges in India .....
    May 19, 2001 @ 10:13 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
  2501. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Armenian/Azeri enclaves
    I found this info on Brady Kiesling s Rediscovering Armenia site (1999 version): Tigranashen, until 1990 the Azerbaijani enclave of Kyarki, is now inhabited
    May 19, 2001 @ 15:43 - Rolf Palmberg LI ("Rolf Palmberg LI" <rpalmber@...>)
  2502. sawanabori satori
    blue ridge va our wet ascent of the shenandoah is now complete we couldnt even have come close without your help jack even with help it was incredibly
    May 21, 2001 @ 21:06 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
  2503. Border Pictures
    BorderPictures (http://home.worldonline.dk/~jesniel/border/border.htm) has been updated. I have focussed on Asian borders. Jesper
    Apr 21, 2002 @ 20:36 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2504. Let’s all be careful out there! (Virus protection)
    On a discussion list for list managers at the moment, there is some discussion of viruses getting to list manager s respective groups. Most of those discussing
    May 22, 2001 @ 10:58 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  2505. Re: Let’s all be careful out there! (Virus protection)
    Do you think a well-advertised, on-line hanging would be a deterrent? ... Most of ... the group ... the ... file ... it. My ... list ... regular ... carry on
    May 22, 2001 @ 14:13 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  2506. Moving a Border to Wed Rich and Poor Towns--From the NYTimes
    This URL leads to a story in today s New York Times about a plan to shift the Nevada-Utah boundary to unite two very different desert towns.
    May 22, 2001 @ 17:42 - Dunlap, William by way of Bill Hanrahan ("Dunlap, William" <hanrahan@...> (by way of Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>))
  2507. Re: Rockall
    ... the ... Beautiful. Thanks for this! But I think the hilarity must be shared with this picture of the Chinese inhabiting one of the islands in the
    May 22, 2001 @ 18:39 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
  2508. nothin much
    monticello ky passed right by nctnva & kytnva yesterday without looking just a nice day for driving today looking forward to doing 100 percent of ky highway
    May 22, 2001 @ 19:09 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
  2509. Re: nothin much
    Mike, where do you find Internet connections, public libraries? BJB
    May 22, 2001 @ 19:38 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  2510. Border markers
    Do you spot any border markers here? http://www.pardoes.nildram.co.uk/pages/tmb99pix.htm Jesper
    Apr 23, 2002 @ 05:37 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2511. GCEBE ??
    http://www.theotherside.co.uk/tm-heritage/visit/visit-maubeuge-douane.htm
    Apr 23, 2002 @ 05:40 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2512. "Parting the Waters" - article on using GPS to map US/Mexico boundary
    The May 2001 issue of GPS World has an interesting (to techies, anyway) four page article on the use of differential GPS data in mapping coastal boundaries
    May 23, 2001 @ 17:01 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  2513. west kentucky disjunctions
    mayfield ky the kentucky bend exclave bubble is the least of it here west kentucky has a longstanding habit of falling apart first there are the 2 major rivers
    May 23, 2001 @ 18:20 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
  2514. New member says hi!
    Gosh, I thought I was the only person interested in enclaves! (and exclaves)... I m fascinated by those bits of countries that arn t where you expect. I know
    May 24, 2001 @ 14:38 - michaelstride@hotmail.com (michaelstride@...)
  2515. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New member says hi!
    Michael, welcome to the group! Don t worry about being out of order ...we re about as informal if it gets! Bill
    May 24, 2001 @ 14:47 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  2516. welcome michael
    poplar bluff mo nice stuff you got there pal i hope some of our clave clan can field it properly & another michael is just what we needed we are just hitting
    May 24, 2001 @ 22:46 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
  2517. Thanks Bill, Michael...
    thanks for your kind welcome. Much appreciated. I racked my brain about the Jugoslav hotel room in London deal, came up with this old news item. London /
    May 24, 2001 @ 16:31 - michaelstride@hotmail.com (michaelstride@...)
  2518. Re: New member says hi!
    Hi Michael. The stuff you come up with suits this group perfectly. This is precisely the off beat things we occupy ourselves with. ... Sounds like Vimy. There
    May 24, 2001 @ 19:08 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2519. engrossed
    eminence mo why because i can just did mo hwy 106 end to end & am now working on hwy 38 too it is a little out of the way but will make my first even gross m
    May 24, 2001 @ 20:41 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
  2520. correction
    marshfield mo oops must have been too engrossed during previous message obviously hadnt yet completed hwy 106 nor begun hwy 38 at eminence mo but have done so
    May 25, 2001 @ 00:27 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
  2521. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New member says hi!
    From the Melbourne Age, 14 MArch 2001 p10. Yugoslav pretender given his citizenship London. In an emotional ceremony in the room where he was born, Crown
    May 25, 2001 @ 01:07 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2522. Re: correction
    To where are you bound and what is the theme? BJB
    May 25, 2001 @ 01:35 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  2523. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New member says hi!
    ... Let me add the Badischer Bahnhof railway station in Basel, Switzerland to the list of strange enclaves . This is something like a German railway station
    May 25, 2001 @ 18:03 - Manfred Haertel (Manfred Haertel <Manfred.Haertel@...>)
  2524. bound for where & what theme
    coffeeville ks thanxx for the qqs brian we are bound for elk city ks at the moment as in elk city kansas is a snaky tickle but after that is anyones guess the
    May 26, 2001 @ 02:03 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
  2525. bound for where & what theme
    coffeeville ks thanxx for the qqs brian we are bound for elk city ks at the moment as in elk city kansas is a snaky tickle but after that is anyones guess the
    May 25, 2001 @ 19:03 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
  2526. Re: New member says hi!
    I thought there was, apart from Basel Bad. Bf. I already knew about and which you mention here, another station in Basle, this time belonging to the SNCF
    May 25, 2001 @ 20:36 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2527. Please ignore this message
    Please ignore this message. I am sending it as a test. BJB
    May 26, 2001 @ 01:27 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  2528. Re: Please ignore this message
    ... Of course I couldn t. I had to click on it. Reminds me (in some strange only half-logical way) of the book I found containing a slip of paper that read
    May 26, 2001 @ 16:31 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
  2529. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Please ignore this message
    And by clicking on it you have created a cascade of messages that will ultimately require its own forum. BJB ... From: Grant Hutchison To:
    May 26, 2001 @ 18:04 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  2530. Recent DEMDPA Excursion
    My recent expedition to DEMDPA and related points is recorded at http://www.bjbsoftware.com/corners/pointdetail.php3?point=24. BJB
    May 26, 2001 @ 18:07 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  2531. info on GCEBE - article by Rolf Palmberg
    Dear fellow boundary freaks, about a month ago Rolf Palmberg wrote an article on this year s big bang - the GCEBE expedition - in the Finnish newspaper Vasa
    May 27, 2001 @ 08:54 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
  2532. Re: [BoundaryPoint] info on GCEBE - article by Rolf Palmberg
    Wow, great article. BJB ... From: Peter Hering To: BoundaryPoint@egroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 4:54 AM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] info on GCEBE -
    May 27, 2001 @ 11:46 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  2533. Dutch-German boundary conflict
    The denl boundary is still undecided in the Dollard-Eems area, which is leading to a conflict at the moment. I have translated three articles for you, and
    May 27, 2001 @ 13:18 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2534. Dutch-German boundary conflict (2)
    Just for orientation: this is a little (not very good, I agree) map I got from a nl government pdf file. Orange is nl, purple is de, grey is the area about
    May 27, 2001 @ 18:48 - Peter Smaardijk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Smaardijk?= <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
  2535. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Dutch-German boundary conflict (2)
    Peter, I have also looked into this matter. All my Dutch topo-maps only show the straight borderline towards Emden and don t give the border in the Eems. I
    May 27, 2001 @ 20:33 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <h.ten.veen@...>)
  2536. Border signal
    Just travelled the dkse border this weekend, a very wet one aprt from the bridge. Anyway we were on the boat between Elsinore (Helsingør) - Helsingborg.
    May 28, 2001 @ 03:59 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2537. Re: Dutch-German boundary conflict (2)
    The straight line in the Dollard looks like being already agreed upon, at least the southern part of it. The northern part is dubious, because it cuts in two
    May 28, 2001 @ 06:17 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2538. Re: Border signal
    I once heard that Swedish passengers traveling to Denmark were at one time forced to buy a return ticket, because otherwise they would use up all of their
    May 28, 2001 @ 06:20 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2539. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Border signal
    Peter, Does not sound like a true story. The dkse border is quite open, apart from the water of course. Having stayed in Sweden I have travelled to Denmark
    May 28, 2001 @ 06:29 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2540. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Border signal
    Well, Peter - that could very well have been a true story, but it must have been many, many years ago.... Today prices for booze are high, even in DK... so
    May 28, 2001 @ 08:18 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  2541. GCEBE 2001
    Hello GCEBE2001 now has it s own site: http://www.geocities.com/graenser/gcebe/ Jesper
    May 28, 2001 @ 08:37 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2542. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Border signal
    Ha ha! On the chunnel train from London to Paris/Brussels, a day-return ticket is substantially cheaper than a one way. So backpackers are tempted to buy a day
    May 28, 2001 @ 08:51 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2543. Re: Dutch-German boundary conflict (2)
    Peter, I think you might be mistaking about the borderline on that map. In my opinion that dashed line shows the shiproute of the ferry between Emden en
    May 28, 2001 @ 09:02 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <h.ten.veen@...>)
  2544. Re: Dutch-German boundary conflict (2)
    Most definitely not, Harry. The border shows up as a line of plusses, yellow-bordered. The ferry is there, too, but is shown as a single dashed line with a
    May 28, 2001 @ 09:15 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2545. Iron Curtian stories
    http://latimes.qpass.com/news/nation/reports/curtain/
    May 28, 2001 @ 20:34 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2546. french exclaves in Germany
    Beeing interested in french history, I once heard about small french exclaves in Germany, esp. military monuments from the napoleonic wars. Must be situated in
    May 29, 2001 @ 08:10 - Pierre ("Pierre" <fallyx@...>)
  2547. Re: Iron Curtian stories: Sidonie
    In chapter 3, the story of Sidonie comes up, with the czsk boundary running through the village. But then it looks like the treaty of 1994 (see msg. 1665) was
    May 29, 2001 @ 08:49 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2548. Re: Iron Curtian stories: Sidonie
    After some searching, I found that the exchange of Sidonie/U Sabotu took place on July 25, 1997: http://www.fss.muni.cz/projekty/stisk/issues/stisk_10_98/ . In
    May 29, 2001 @ 09:16 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2549. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Iron Curtian stories: Sidonie
    Peter S., that s a very interesting link about the exchange of territory between SK and CZ ! As a matter of fact, I do have an article - in Danish - about this
    May 29, 2001 @ 13:53 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  2550. Re: Iron Curtian stories: Sidonie
    Sidonie is just north-east of road 57 from Brumov-Bylnice (cz) to Dubnica nad Vahom (Vahom with acute accent on a) (sk). The road is doubled by a railway, and
    May 29, 2001 @ 14:03 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2551. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Iron Curtian stories: Sidonie
    Thanks Peter S. found it!!! Tomorrow I ll scan the article on U Sabotu....there s a nice pic- ture in it...! Regards Peter H. ... From: Peter Smaardijk Date:
    May 29, 2001 @ 14:27 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  2552. coksok crypt opened
    taos nm the crypt at coksok has been found & opened probably for the first time in 10 years & contains a usgs copper disk going wild for awhile happy bp
    May 29, 2001 @ 23:32 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
  2553. Re: Iron Curtian stories: Sidonie
    I m looking forward to it. I can get along with Danish, with a dictionary and some guess-work ;-) BTW, regarding
    May 29, 2001 @ 20:53 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2554. more about coksok
    santa fe nm there was also a cup in the crypt so i took it too the coksok cup a tall plastic soft drink cup in about 10 years of sand & mold etc then i put the
    May 29, 2001 @ 21:28 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
  2555. Re: [BoundaryPoint] more about coksok
    coksok cup, indeed, you point jockey. BJB ... From: Michael Donner To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 9:28 PM Subject:
    May 29, 2001 @ 21:47 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  2556. Re: [BoundaryPoint] coksok crypt opened
    coksok? I ve seen those for sale in countries with cold winters... ;-) BW _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your
    May 30, 2001 @ 00:44 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2557. U. S. Supreme Court Settles the Issue: Shipyard Is in Maine, Not New Hampshire
    Supreme Court Settles the Issue: Shipyard Is in Maine, Not New Hampshire By Ann S. Kim Associated Press Writer KITTERY, Maine (AP) - The U.S. Supreme Court
    May 30, 2001 @ 01:28 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  2558. Re: [BoundaryPoint] coksok crypt opened
    A couple of years ago Mike and I conjectured about the COKSOK Woolen Condom Company, whose products are made from the finest fleece of ARLAMS
    May 30, 2001 @ 03:13 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  2559. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Iron Curtian stories: Sidonie
    Yes, Peter, it certainly looks like a boundary marker, many of them - especially the new ones (and this MUST be a very new one) are painted red on top...(my
    May 30, 2001 @ 11:15 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  2560. Re: Iron Curtian stories: Sidonie
    It is the border crossing of road 57. Somewhere at this point, the road to Sidonie branches off. Somewhere to the right, but behind the photographer, the
    May 30, 2001 @ 12:32 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2561. Re: U. S. Supreme Court Settles the Issue: Shipyard Is in Maine, Not New Hampshire
    So, the difference with the muslim approach is: Muslim: You tax them, so you rule the place too US: First you rule the place, then you tax them A difference in
    May 30, 2001 @ 12:52 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2562. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: U. S. Supreme Court Settles the Issue: Shipyard Is in Maine, Not New Hampshire
    And, one of the mainstays of the original American Revolution was No taxation without representation! Hmmm.... Bill
    May 30, 2001 @ 16:47 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  2563. CzechSlovakborder at U Sabotu
    Here s the promised scan of an article in Politiken , one of DK s leading news- papers... - sorry for the bad quality, but attached you ll find some of the
    May 30, 2001 @ 17:33 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
  2564. Slovakian border
    with who? http://personal4.iddeo.es/747/gale_alpes_uk.html Peter or Peter? Jesper
    May 30, 2001 @ 20:52 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2565. new member introduction
    Hello Everyone, My name is Dallen Timothy (yes Timothy is the last name), and I am a professor at Arizona State University. I have spent the past 15 years
    May 30, 2001 @ 21:05 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
  2566. Re: [BoundaryPoint] new member introduction
    new member introductionHello Dallen Welcome to the group. I am pretty sure you can contribute alot. I am maintaining a border pictures site at
    May 30, 2001 @ 21:17 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2567. Re: [BoundaryPoint] new member introduction
    Hi Dallen...welcome to the group! We re very glad you found us, and I hope you enjoy it. I laughed when I read how you thought you were the only border
    May 30, 2001 @ 21:19 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  2568. RE: [BoundaryPoint] new member introduction
    Hi Jesper, You re welcome to use some of my shots for the site. I m going to begin emailing some pictures tonight. Cheers, Dallen ... From: Jesper & Nicolette
    May 30, 2001 @ 21:21 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
  2569. RE: [BoundaryPoint] new member introduction
    Hi Bill, Great to hear from you. I m glad to be in the group too. ASU East, huh? I live over by there, but I work at the main campus. Arizona s a great
    May 30, 2001 @ 21:25 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
  2570. Re: Slovakian border
    Where do you see Slovakia then? (there is something I don t get, silly me...) Peter S. - In BoundaryPoint@y..., Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen
    May 31, 2001 @ 01:05 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2571. DENL northernmost bordermarker Message 2548 etc
    Hello, Some official Informations about boundarystone 203 are attached Wolfgang Gärtner Friedrich Ebert Strasse 32 65824 Schwalbach am Taunus
    May 31, 2001 @ 04:27 - Wolfgang Gärtner (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Wolfgang_G=E4rtner?= <wgartner@arcormail.de>)
  2572. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Slovakian border
    I found it om alltheweb.com just saying this is the Slovakian border . This is something I see a lot which is actually nonsence as there must be another
    May 31, 2001 @ 05:11 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2573. Set your clocks back... one hour.
    According to the official US time site (that s chronology, not the weekly magazine), the Hopi reservation in Arizona is not only a political enclave within the
    May 31, 2001 @ 10:51 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2574. Caribbean 200nm EEZ overview
    I m still ploughing my lonely 200nm furrow out here. I ve been messing around with the GTOPO30 database recently, which lets me generate maps of fixed-width
    May 31, 2001 @ 18:40 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@cs.com)
  2575. Re: Caribbean 200nm EEZ overview
    Just be aware that this 200 nm principle is exactly that, a principle. Some remarks: 1. It is 200 nm from the baseline, not from the coast. This probably won t
    Jun 01, 2001 @ 08:54 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2576. Re: Caribbean 200nm EEZ overview
    ... Much less impact, of course, at the 200nm level than at 12nm, since the baseline has to be quite long before it begins to show a serious effect at the
    Jun 01, 2001 @ 15:58 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <grant.l.hutchison@...>)
  2577. jeddito
    cedar city ut visited the jeddito navajo clave in hopiland all set within greater navajoland & found this little pocket affluent both by hopi & normal navajo
    Jun 01, 2001 @ 16:56 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
  2578. map of everyones land
    grant havent been able to see your latest extreme play yet but am rejoicing in it & tho i would love to see the north polar view please bear in mind also that
    Jun 01, 2001 @ 17:14 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
  2579. Bosnia Border Photos
    Hi Everyone, Here are two photos I took last month on the Croatia-Bosnia border. Photo 1) On the right side of the road there is a white pole with blue and
    Jun 01, 2001 @ 17:57 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
  2580. SMOM Photos
    Hi Again, hopefully you won t get sick of me sending pictures to you all. I have several hundred on borders, enclaves, and mini microstates that I don t mind
    Jun 01, 2001 @ 18:12 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
  2581. RE: [BoundaryPoint] SMOM Photos
    ... Dallen, please keep the pictures coming! I especially look forward to your enclave pictures. Thanks for sharing! Mats
    Jun 01, 2001 @ 18:20 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
  2582. Re: [BoundaryPoint] SMOM Photos
    Keep em coming! It s motivation for me to post some Spain/Portugal and Bosnia/Croatia (Between Karlovac, Croatia and Velika Kladusa, BiH) and more US/Canadian
    Jun 01, 2001 @ 18:23 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
  2583. and more pics
    Oh, Ok, here s another bunch of photos (Vatican-Italy and Ghana-Togo) before I head for home to do some real work. Photo 1) I took this two weeks ago. I
    Jun 01, 2001 @ 18:39 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
  2584. Re: [BoundaryPoint] SMOM Photos
    Dallen, please keep them coming...this is what we all live for! Doug...have you been holding out!? :-) Bill
    Jun 01, 2001 @ 19:00 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  2585. Re: [BoundaryPoint] and more pics
    This is the first time I ve ever come across a good real world description of this part of the Vatican/Italy border (other than dry references from the
    Jun 01, 2001 @ 19:04 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  2586. DEMDPA Notes
    The true DEMDPA tri-point monument says P-P-M-M-1849 and has a disk on top saying MDP and showing an arrow pointing toward the MDP monument. The MDP
    Jun 01, 2001 @ 19:50 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  2587. black mountains behind us & gcebe ahead
    beaver ut we just crossed the black mountains with no problem they sounded & looked bad but werent got stopped for blowing a stop sign real bad in minersville
    Jun 01, 2001 @ 20:33 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
  2588. Interesting Border story (Estonia/Russia).
    Unfortunately, the picture showing Russian guards patrolling their side of the river isn t on the website. But the story is here:
    Jun 01, 2001 @ 20:46 - Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline ("Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline" <dmurray@...>)
  2589. US-Canada photos
    In my looking at the archived messages, I remember seeing that someone sent in my Canada picture number 1, but not the inside of the library. Photo 1) This
    Jun 01, 2001 @ 21:04 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
  2590. more US-Canada shots
    Hi, In the last message, I didn t mean to write that someone had sent in MY picture to the group. I meant to write a picture like my photo number 1. Sorry
    Jun 01, 2001 @ 21:15 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
  2591. last of the border photos
    Ok, the last two border pics for this week. I hope I haven t overloaded anyone s system!! Photo 9) International Peace Garden--US/Canada Photo 10) Same place.
    Jun 01, 2001 @ 21:20 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
  2592. Re: [BoundaryPoint] more US-Canada shots
    Dallen, thanks for the Derby Line/Rock Island shots! I think I ve mentioned this before, but I ve misplaced an old photo (early 70s) of a former girlfriend
    Jun 01, 2001 @ 21:33 - Jane Hanrahan (Jane Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  2593. Re: [BoundaryPoint] black mountains behind us & gcebe ahead - reply to Mike...!
    Hello Mike-keep on moving, it s the real life being on the road (that s what Jack Kerouac told us many years ago- and it s still the truth and nothing but....)
    Jun 02, 2001 @ 08:01 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  2594. Article on Opera House in Derby Line/Vt.
    Thanks Dallan, for these most interesting pictures from Derby Line/Vt, where the world-famous Haskell Free Library plus the Opera House straddles the
    Jun 02, 2001 @ 08:15 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  2595. Dallen's pictures
    Dallen, Thanks for all the great pictures. As I have said earlier I would very much like to put my pictures on my borderpictures site. Since you have also
    Jun 02, 2001 @ 11:40 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2596. Re: [BoundaryPoint] DENL northernmost bordermarker Message 2548 etc
    Wolfgang, thank s for this interesting info and maps. Always good stuff you submit! What is your source, anything on the internet, did you visit archives or
    Jun 02, 2001 @ 10:38 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <h.ten.veen@...>)
  2597. Re: [BoundaryPoint] french exclaves in Germany
    My sister is home from college and she plans on using her PC unit as much as she can as a CD-rewritable drive is in her PC. Unfortunately most of my stuff is
    Jun 02, 2001 @ 18:08 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  2598. Law and Order on the border (TV show)
    Dallen s recent great photos of the Derby Line/Rock Island area got me thinking about a recent episode of the TV program Law and Order which was broadcast here
    Jun 02, 2001 @ 18:13 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  2599. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Law and Order on the border (TV show)
    I don t know of a building but I have been transferred , as you say, across a bridge from Canada to the US. I ve told this story here before but the summary
    Jun 02, 2001 @ 19:06 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  2600. Vermont Circumnavigation
    Strange that the topic of Derby Line came up recently. I am planning a circumnavigation of Vermont in the next few weeks to try out some camping gear and an
    Jun 02, 2001 @ 19:12 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  2601. NZ EEZ
    I ve turned my computer on the complicated EEZ territory around New Zealand, by way of testing its accuracy. The three high seas enclaves turn out nicely.
    Jun 02, 2001 @ 20:22 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@cs.com)
  2602. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Vermont Circumnavigation
    Brian, I think I know which island and peninsula you are talking about. The peninsula, by official definition, is another pene-exclave--one of several--along
    Jun 02, 2001 @ 20:48 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
  2603. Neum
    You don t look for a just day or so on your computer, and you get a real avalanche of beautiful pictures! Brilliant stuff, Dallen. The Croatian/Bosnian border
    Jun 02, 2001 @ 20:55 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2604. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Vermont Circumnavigation
    Brian, nice pics of Estcourt. I was there about three years ago, and as far as I can remember there were only about 4.5 houses on the US side of the village,
    Jun 02, 2001 @ 21:01 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
  2605. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Law and Order on the border (TV show)
    This reminds me of the story I heard about individual Beatles being unwanted in either Canada or US and consequently they had to meet in a building on the
    Jun 02, 2001 @ 21:04 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  2606. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Law and Order on the border (TV show)
    There are several (at least 15) buildings directly on the US-Canada border, but they are all east of the Great Lakes, with the exception of the Peace Chapel at
    Jun 02, 2001 @ 21:14 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
  2607. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Law and Order on the border (TV show)
    I had also heard something about shared customs facilities. There were some problems... at one, the bathroom is in Canada and the US border patrol agents
    Jun 02, 2001 @ 21:29 - Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline ("Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline" <dmurray@...>)
  2608. question
    Is there a word limit on these messages, because half of my paragraphs are being chopped off? Dallen
    Jun 02, 2001 @ 21:27 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
  2609. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Law and Order on the border (TV show)
    There are several (at least 15) buildings directly on the US-Canada border, but they are all east of the Great Lakes, with the exception of the Peace Chapel at
    Jun 02, 2001 @ 21:28 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
  2610. More on shared buildings
    It s not an urban myth... according to document from last year, there are 3 such operations under construction/built. They are in: • Sweetgrass,
    Jun 02, 2001 @ 21:38 - Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline ("Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline" <dmurray@...>)
  2611. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Law and Order on the border (TV show)
    US Immigration denied entry to a US citizen?!?!?! (I don t doubt your story Brian, it s their actions that are incredulous). Bill
    Jun 02, 2001 @ 21:40 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  2612. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Law and Order on the border (TV show)
    That s true what Bill mentioned. By law the US immigration service (and customs for that matter) cannot deny entry of US citizens into the United States. I
    Jun 02, 2001 @ 21:46 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
  2613. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Law and Order on the border (TV show)
    Yes, it s true...it happened in the very same Haskell Library (in Derby Line/Rock Island) that Dallen talked about...in the 70s I think. Bill
    Jun 02, 2001 @ 21:46 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  2614. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Law and Order on the border (TV show)
    I haven t heard of any such construction, but I noticed on a visit that the US Customs facility in Nogales, AZ was built immediately adjacent to the US/Mexico
    Jun 02, 2001 @ 21:49 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  2615. Re: [BoundaryPoint] question
    No, there shouldn t be!! Bill
    Jun 02, 2001 @ 21:50 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  2616. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Law and Order on the border (TV show)
    The dual citizenship status is quite interesting! I looked into that awhile back, because three of my four grandparents were born in Canada...unfortunately, I
    Jun 02, 2001 @ 21:55 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  2617. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Law and Order on the border (TV show)
    That s right Bill. As soon as I get the film developed, I ll post some interesting shots of the US-Mexico border. The boundary fence (wall in some places) is
    Jun 02, 2001 @ 21:58 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
  2618. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Law and Order on the border (TV show)
    Bill, The official status right now of dual citizenship for US citizens is that the US gvt does not recognize dual citizenships at all. They don t prohibit
    Jun 02, 2001 @ 22:10 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
  2619. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Law and Order on the border (TV show)
    Oh yeah, the other part of this is that, according to law, if you have dual citizenship, you must always declare only your US citizenship upon entering the
    Jun 02, 2001 @ 22:12 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
  2620. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Law and Order on the border (TV show)
    ... I thought a US citizen would lose his or her citizenship by serving in the armed forces of some other country. David
    Jun 02, 2001 @ 22:18 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  2621. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Law and Order on the border (TV show)
    Fascinating stuff! I ve visited Nogales about a half dozen times. I seem to remember the fence being fairly accurately lined up with the monuments in the
    Jun 02, 2001 @ 22:15 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  2622. Switzerland-Liechtenstein
    Hi, As I was looking back through the archived messages awhile back, it seems like someone was making the argument that the Switzerland-Liechtenstein border is
    Jun 02, 2001 @ 22:17 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
  2623. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Law and Order on the border (TV show)
    Actually David, you re right. There is a possibility of a US citizen losing citizenship if he/she serves in a foreign military. This is done on a case by
    Jun 02, 2001 @ 22:22 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
  2624. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Law and Order on the border (TV show)
    Thanks Dallen...you summed it up far better than I! Bill
    Jun 02, 2001 @ 22:21 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  2625. US-Mexico
    Bill, next time you re in Arizona, stop by and we ll head for the border! I was in Douglas this past Monday and Tuesday at some meetings on both sides of the
    Jun 02, 2001 @ 22:32 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
  2626. shared buildings-US/Canada
    Thanks for sending this joint government website. I guess the joint border structures are coming true after all. It looks like only the one in Yukon/Alaska
    Jun 02, 2001 @ 22:42 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
  2627. Re: [BoundaryPoint] US-Mexico
    I m going to take you up on that!! I had read about the horse race before, but was unaware of the 40 year interval...I think I have a better chance of seeing
    Jun 02, 2001 @ 22:40 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  2628. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Vermont Circumnavigation
    RE: [BoundaryPoint] Vermont CircumnavigationThe island is named Province Island and the peninsula is named Province Point! BJB ... From: Dallen Timothy To:
    Jun 02, 2001 @ 22:37 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  2629. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Vermont Circumnavigation
    RE: [BoundaryPoint] Vermont CircumnavigationYour recollection is correct. I did not see the sign on the house but I did notice the convenience store/house.
    Jun 02, 2001 @ 22:38 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  2630. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Law and Order on the border (TV show)
    Yes, this was in the opera house in Derby Line. One of the Beatles was supposed to be a fugitive from justice in the US on a drug charge, possession of
    Jun 02, 2001 @ 22:40 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  2631. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Law and Order on the border (TV show)
    Delayed more than denied, basically just early 70 s-style cop vs. kid stuff. BJB ... From: Bill Hanrahan To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday,
    Jun 02, 2001 @ 22:43 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  2632. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Law and Order on the border (TV show)
    Oh yeah, I ve played that game...! Bill
    Jun 02, 2001 @ 22:49 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  2633. Re: [BoundaryPoint] US-Mexico
    Moose are not so lucky on the Maine/Québec border. A couple of years ago my brother Gregg and I visited the Maine - New Hampshire - Québec tri-point and the
    Jun 02, 2001 @ 22:57 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  2634. Live Free Or Die
    Correction. Maine has nothing to do with the moose story since the salt blocks, trough, and tree stands are near the New Hampshire - Québec boundary.
    Jun 02, 2001 @ 23:01 - Brian J. Butler ("Brian J. Butler" <bjbutler@...>)
  2635. Maritime Boundaries
    ... You obviously know a fair amount about Okino Tori Shima / Parece Vela - I ve found it difficult to discover anything about the place. What s the
    Jun 02, 2001 @ 22:59 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
  2636. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Article on Opera House in Derby Line/Vt.
    Thanks Peter for this excellent article. I hadn t read it, so it is very informative. Dallen ... From: Peter Hering [mailto:hering@mail.tele.dk] Sent:
    Jun 02, 2001 @ 23:40 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
  2637. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Live Free Or Die
    Live salt free or die. Bill ... Live salt free or die. Bill At 07:01 PM 6/2/01, you wrote: Correction. Maine has nothing to do with the moose story since
    Jun 03, 2001 @ 00:29 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  2638. RE: [BoundaryPoint] and more pics
    dallen, i also say keep them coming. seeing your photos has made this saturday-night-in-tokyo-with-my-family-back-in-new-hampshire more bearable. btw, any
    Jun 03, 2001 @ 01:10 - Beckett, Bob ("Beckett, Bob" <Bob.Beckett@...>)
  2639. international bridge
    Hi Bob, Good to hear from you. I know the feeling about being far away from family. It gets tiring. I do have a picture of the world s shortest
    Jun 03, 2001 @ 01:57 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
  2640. Re: [BoundaryPoint] NZ EEZ
    The Bounty islands were named for the ship of Bligh fame, not for their insular abundancy. They are a bird sanctuary. Permission is needed to land, and
    Jun 03, 2001 @ 02:04 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2641. Re: [BoundaryPoint] dual citizens
    Australia allows dual citizens for those from other countries coming to Australia, but revokes the citizenship of those obtaining other citizenships. Thus a
    Jun 03, 2001 @ 02:23 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2642. Re: [BoundaryPoint] dual citizens
    ... This is true not only for Baarle but for the whole EU since some years. Anybody having a passport of one EU member state may vote in the muncipal elections
    Jun 03, 2001 @ 06:45 - Manfred Haertel (Manfred Haertel <Manfred.Haertel@...>)
  2643. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Neum
    Glad you enjoyed the pictures Peter. My sense is that Bosnia is sealocked, as you suggest, because there is no straightline path to the open sea; too many
    Jun 02, 2001 @ 21:25 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
  2644. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Switzerland-Liechtenstein
    Hello Dallen, I think I was the someone you were referring to about the demarcation of the Liechtenstein-Swiss border. My mentioning of the lack of boundary
    Jun 03, 2001 @ 08:28 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  2645. European boundaries-some statistics
    Hello border freaks, I m quite a lucky man at the moment, since I succeeded in getting the bible from my local library: The Encyclopedia of Intern l
    Jun 03, 2001 @ 08:37 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
  2646. [No Subject]

    Jun 03, 2001 @ 15:43 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2647. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
    Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File :
    Jun 03, 2001 @ 18:13 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com ( <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>)
  2648. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Switzerland-Liechtenstein
    Hi Peter, Thanks for clarifying this. I think I was using a 1960s topo map, but maybe I am wrong. My own explorations of the southern border were in 1995.
    Jun 03, 2001 @ 18:58 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
  2649. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Switzerland-Liechtenstein
    Dear Dallen Your attachment did not work, please try again. Jesper ... From: Dallen Timothy To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001
    Jun 03, 2001 @ 19:41 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2650. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Switzerland-Liechtenstein
    There is a nice picture of this border on BorderPictures. Jesper ... From: Dallen Timothy To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 8:58
    Jun 03, 2001 @ 21:00 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2651. articles
    Hi, Maybe some of you have already read these articles, but if any of you have access to academic journals, these two are amazing articles loaded with pictures
    Jun 03, 2001 @ 23:04 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
  2652. Picture from Bosnia
    This photograph was taken in the spring of 1997 near a former Yugoslav airbase that had been destroyed. The file size is tiny, I know. I ll try to find the
    Jun 04, 2001 @ 00:21 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
  2653. Re: [BoundaryPoint] dual citizens
    ... What about if you don t live there but you own a house there? Surely a non-resident landowner gets a say in the municipality that charges him rates? Also,
    Jun 04, 2001 @ 01:21 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2654. Re: articles
    1679! That would be the oldest marker any of us have found in the US. I did find what appears to be an original (1731) marker at the former Connecticut -
    Jun 04, 2001 @ 01:47 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  2655. Re: dual citizens
    In Massachusetts you cannot vote in town elections or participate in town meetings (the official form of government in many towns) unless you are a registered
    Jun 04, 2001 @ 01:50 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  2656. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: articles
    Any US or major foreign university library would have this highly regarded journal. BW ...
    Jun 04, 2001 @ 02:54 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2657. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: dual citizens
    Nothing like democracy! Sort of like residents and even US citizens in Washington DC who had fewer rights than citizens in the 50 states because DC was not a
    Jun 04, 2001 @ 02:58 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2658. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: articles
    The 1679 date is only approx. from my memory. I ll have to look it up in my notes, but I m pretty sure it s from the 1600s sometime, but it could be the early
    Jun 04, 2001 @ 03:23 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
  2659. NZ EEZ etc
    I m afraid I have some bad news for Grant - according to official New Zealand charts (NZ 223F and 224F) the mooted high seas enclave between the EEZs generated
    Jun 04, 2001 @ 11:21 - Martin Pratt ("Martin Pratt" <m.a.pratt@durham.ac.uk>)
  2660. List of boundaries in the Americas
    Step 1 - Europe, next step The Americas... here it is... the list on American boundaries based on Gideon Biger s bible . Enjoy Peter H.
    Jun 04, 2001 @ 11:40 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
  2661. List on Amer.bound. - query+cry for help!
    Hello again, forgot to tell you this: as you ll see in the list, there s a questionmark after the last boundary - the shortest one - between the French and
    Jun 04, 2001 @ 11:44 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  2662. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
    Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File :
    Jun 04, 2001 @ 11:49 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com ( <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>)
  2663. Re: [BoundaryPoint] thanks to Martin!!+CIA
    Thanks Martin for this phantastic link, what should we do without the CIA??? Here I was working, sweating and swearing at my computer, and suddenly theCIA
    Jun 04, 2001 @ 11:58 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  2664. Re: NZ EEZ etc
    ... Curses and thanks in equal proportions! This, of course, fits with what Brendan s stamp was telling me all along. (Though I d guess a bit of artistic
    Jun 04, 2001 @ 13:03 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <grant.l.hutchison@...>)
  2665. Re: Thanks to Martin!!+CIA
    ... Maybe both? Many boundaries (especially those defined by watersheds or ridgelines) are fractal - so, like coastlines, their measured length would depend on
    Jun 04, 2001 @ 13:11 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <grant.l.hutchison@...>)
  2666. Message 2607, 2.6.2001 DENL
    Hi, In this case i got the Dutch - German treaty from the German “Institut für Geodäsie” in Berlin/Frankfurt. Take a look on www.ifag.de. The older
    Jun 04, 2001 @ 13:30 - Wolfgang Gärtner (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Wolfgang_G=E4rtner?= <wgartner@...>)
  2667. more Ghana/Togo/Benin Pics
    Here are a few more pictures from West Africa taken in March-April 2001. 1) The Togo-Ghana border from the Ghana side. The small blue building is the Ghana
    Jun 04, 2001 @ 17:36 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
  2668. more US-Canada odds and ends
    Hi Again, I found some more US-Canada pics that might be of interest, although as I said before, most of my collection is in slides. 1) This house lies on the
    Jun 04, 2001 @ 17:52 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
  2669. misc. border shots
    Here are a few other mixed border shots that might be interesting. 1) The Kuwait-Saudi Arabia border crossing. This picture was taken during the Gulf War in
    Jun 04, 2001 @ 18:02 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
  2670. secret pass etc
    tonopah nv found & cleared secret pass yesterday up near elko & i see you guys are pretty good yourselves like my mailbox is terminally clogged but i needed to
    Jun 04, 2001 @ 19:38 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
  2671. Re: [BoundaryPoint] more US-Canada odds and ends
    Dallen thanks again for the great shots. The arrow shot has me double intrigued...I m a private pilot, but have never seen any reference to the arrow in any
    Jun 04, 2001 @ 19:59 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  2672. Re: [BoundaryPoint] more US-Canada odds and ends
    Dallen is that a small white (non standard monument) to the right of the road? Bill
    Jun 04, 2001 @ 20:08 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  2673. RE: [BoundaryPoint] more US-Canada odds and ends
    Bill, I m not aware of any other such arrows on the border. This trail of them might be a place-specific arrangement. Does anyone know of any other such
    Jun 04, 2001 @ 20:28 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
  2674. RE: [BoundaryPoint] more US-Canada odds and ends
    No it s just a rock. There s a stone monument behind me down the hill by immigration and then further west past the arrow about a half mile or so is a metal
    Jun 04, 2001 @ 20:44 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
  2675. Re: Thanks to Martin!!+CIA
    I d like to get someone s opinion on this (someone, that is, someone that knows how these things work out legally). Is it true that, when a border treaty says
    Jun 04, 2001 @ 21:01 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2676. RE: [BoundaryPoint] more US-Canada odds and ends
    Yeah, I guess sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and a rock is just a rock! Bill
    Jun 04, 2001 @ 21:03 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  2677. RE: [BoundaryPoint] more US-Canada odds and ends
    Do you remember the name of that particular airport? Scobey Airport (Scobey, MT) or Piney Pinecreek Border Airport (Pinecreek, MN) come to mind as likely
    Jun 04, 2001 @ 21:00 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  2678. Re: [BoundaryPoint] more US-Canada odds and ends
    Other Intermational Airports would be: Geneva Gibraltar Jesper ... From: Bill Hanrahan To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 11:00 PM
    Jun 04, 2001 @ 21:28 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2679. Re: more US-Canada odds and ends
    How about Donostia/San Sebastian airport at Hondarribia/Fuenterrabia? There is even an international (esfr) treaty about the fact that every plane that leaves
    Jun 04, 2001 @ 21:53 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2680. Airports near boundaries
    This one is pretty close. I drove past this one on the way to ME-NB- QC. It looks like you might easily cross into Canadian airspace on takeoff with winds
    Jun 04, 2001 @ 22:03 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  2681. Duh, and here's the missing link
    ... Airport ... to mind ... border ... actually ... Municipal ... memory ... of the ... avoid a ...
    Jun 04, 2001 @ 22:05 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  2682. Hondarribiako nazioarteko aireportua (H. int'l airport)
    A reminder: the first link in msg. 1799 Peter S. ... Hondarribia/Fuenterrabia? ... other ... lot ... Barcelona, ... runway ... come ... only) ... Municipal ...
    Jun 04, 2001 @ 22:14 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2683. Interesting link: photos of Norway/Russia border
    http://www.specialoperations.com/Foreign/Norway/Borderguards/Grensekompaniet_Photos1.htm
    Jun 05, 2001 @ 03:25 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
  2684. BeDeNe
    Here is a nice German 1:25k map of our favourite tript. For those going on the September point-crawl, may I suggest taking the road from Aachen that heads west
    Jun 05, 2001 @ 04:57 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
  2685. Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
    1:5000 mapping of the roetgen enclaves is available fomr the Nordrhein-Westphalian survey office. Unfortunately they don t take credit cards (Europeans are
    Jun 05, 2001 @ 05:28 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
  2686. last 2 enclave scans
    BW _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
    Jun 05, 2001 @ 05:32 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
  2687. 4th enclave scan
    Didn t seem to work in the 2nd msg... BW _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN
    Jun 05, 2001 @ 05:40 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
  2688. Märket
    This is the best site I have found on Märket so far. This is the first time I have seen Märket on a map. http://www.dx.to/oj0_1.htm Jesper
    Jun 05, 2001 @ 10:24 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2689. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
    The very thick black dashes mark the international border, correct? Which continues between the heavy marks along the thin line. ... Just to be certain I
    Jun 05, 2001 @ 13:12 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  2690. [No Subject]
    Some interesting data on West Berlin exclaves: http://members.aol.com/marismits/Berlin.htm Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping!
    Jun 05, 2001 @ 13:30 - michaelsimmons@altavista.com (michaelsimmons@...)
  2691. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BeDeNe
    Sorry to be dense here, but I don t follow. I see one prominent border on the scanned map, running southeast-northwest and with boundary markers 1021,
    Jun 05, 2001 @ 13:36 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  2692. Re: [BoundaryPoint] (unknown)
    What are or were they exclaves of? And into? David
    Jun 05, 2001 @ 13:38 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  2693. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
    Thansk for these scanned maps. This is so far the most complicated borders I have seen so far, but I guess also the most perculiar. If you thought Chile as a
    Jun 05, 2001 @ 14:20 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2694. Re: BeDeNe
    ... border on ... markers ... that the ... I think Drei Steine is the tripoint, although there aren t three stones there, but at benl boundary marker no. 1.
    Jun 05, 2001 @ 15:00 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2695. Re: (unknown)
    These are former W. Berlin enclaves in the G.D.R. Peter S.
    Jun 05, 2001 @ 15:01 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2696. Re: Maritime Boundaries - Okino-tori Shima revisited
    The things I know about Okino-tori Shima are from a book by Boudewijn Büch, Het ijspaleis , the third in a series called Eilanden ( Islands ), Amsterdam,
    Jun 05, 2001 @ 15:07 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2697. Okino-tori Shima pictures
    ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free
    Jun 05, 2001 @ 15:11 - Peter Smaardijk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Smaardijk?= <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
  2698. Canadian Time Zone oddities - link
    Lots of maps and stuff on Canadian time zone oddities: http://www.canadiangeographic.ca/SO98/geomap.htm Doug
    Jun 05, 2001 @ 17:04 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
  2699. River sources and Okino-tori-shima
    Some time back I remember Michael trying to establish the coordinates of a river source (though I now can t find the orginal posting). The files at the USGS
    Jun 05, 2001 @ 17:21 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
  2700. Re: [BoundaryPoint] (unknown)
    I created the Berlin exclave website for Mats as an info on the size of the Berlin exclaves. They were all parts of West Berlin surrounded by rest of Germany,
    Jun 05, 2001 @ 19:03 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  2701. more fluff
    elko nv nearing completion now of our whirlwind tour of nevada including the whirlwind valley we have devoured a succession of empty dreamscapes on casino
    Jun 05, 2001 @ 19:45 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
  2702. Question for Japanese speaking
    Is this a border picture? http://www.parkcity.ne.jp/~tomato/3guyanas/g-setsumei6.html Jesper
    Jun 05, 2001 @ 20:12 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2703. Re: Question for Japanese speaking
    You can get (sort of) a translation at babelfish.altavista.com (without the www.!). If you enter the url of the site you want to ... * Guyanese joint republic
    Jun 05, 2001 @ 20:48 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2704. Re: Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
    ... second of the ... Germans ... parking ... hotel/small ... Right, I think I know where this is - the road coming in from the left and leaving towards
    Jun 05, 2001 @ 21:12 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
  2705. Re: [BoundaryPoint] (unknown)
    Enclaves OF the said allied secotrs IN East Germany. As the note on the page says, this is no more than is contianed in Catudal s book Steinstuecken, a study
    Jun 06, 2001 @ 01:28 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2706. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BeDeNe
    Yes, the BeNe border is much less obvious than the DeNe and BeDe borders, and does indeed folow the Gp/Ga stones. The dreistein is the tripoint. The BeNe
    Jun 06, 2001 @ 01:41 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2707. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
    ... Yes. ... Yes. A single house and a few small fields. A local road runs along the east side, with the Vennbahn Belgian railway in front of that and Germany
    Jun 06, 2001 @ 02:17 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2708. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
    The road junction from Roetgen (west) Monschau (south) and Lammersdorf(east). The blank southern area is Belgium proper, the north with the details, the larger
    Jun 06, 2001 @ 02:50 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2709. Re: BeDeNe
    ... borders, ... A small note on this: On Dutch maps, boundary markers are normally indicated by the letters Gp or Gs. Gp means grenspaal. These are, when on
    Jun 06, 2001 @ 09:31 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2710. Site on boundary markers Sluis/Aardenburg
    A very nice site on the boundary markers of the Sluis-Aardenburg municipality, in the extreme south-western corner of the Netherlands. Especially the triplet
    Jun 06, 2001 @ 10:56 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2711. Re: [BoundaryPoint] dual citizens
    In the US, even a resident land-owner like me gets no say in local elections if not a US Citizen. Canada changed to that system back in the 1970s. In the
    Jun 06, 2001 @ 12:02 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  2712. Re: Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
    Some things are not entirely clear to me, though: 1. What is a traffic island (purely a language thing)? Is it the parking lot due east of Fringshaus? 2. Why
    Jun 06, 2001 @ 12:05 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2713. Re: Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
    A good lesson for me not to believe everything on maps (and subsequently post something here): the road is Bundesstrasse 258. On the Belgian topo maps I have,
    Jun 06, 2001 @ 16:48 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2714. Iron Curtain
    Are there any Iron Curtain remains? Maybe kept for symbolic reasons? Jesper
    Jun 06, 2001 @ 20:45 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2715. Fw: Border Line
    I wonder what else I could have meant?!?! :-) ... From: USAoffice To: Jesper Nielsen Sent: Wednesday, June
    Jun 06, 2001 @ 20:47 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2716. Re: [BoundaryPoint] dual citizens
    So what happens if (a purely technical question) a small municpality, say Rolling hills in Los Angeles, has ONLY foreign (non-US citien) landowners? Unlikely,
    Jun 07, 2001 @ 01:06 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2717. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
    A traffic island is a small area in the middle of an intersection that is out of bounds to traffic. Like the circle of land the Arc de Triomphe is on in the
    Jun 07, 2001 @ 01:15 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2718. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
    ON the Monschauer Land Rurseengebeit Wanderkarte (1:25k) by the Nordrhein-Westfalen Landesvermessungsamt, the road from Roetgen to Monschau is the B258,
    Jun 07, 2001 @ 01:23 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2719. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
    Belgian topo 1:10 000 43/8 Nord uses the German 1:25000 info in black and white for the German parts of the map and very detailed colour Belgian mapping for
    Jun 07, 2001 @ 01:27 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2720. Re: [BoundaryPoint] dual citizens
    You don t have to be a land owner in the US or Canada to vote-- just a citizen. Are there any countries where you must be a landowner to vote? Anyway, if in a
    Jun 07, 2001 @ 01:35 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  2721. Re: Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
    The B258 is explicitely labelled N258 within Belgium on a Belgian 1:100000 topo map. Hence my mistake. These 1:100000 maps are extremely sloppy, to my
    Jun 07, 2001 @ 06:07 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2722. Re: Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
    So my misunderstanding here is narrowed down to me not knowing what a traffic island is. Now I do, for which a profound thank you, and of course I now also
    Jun 07, 2001 @ 06:16 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2723. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
    Your right, my 1989 edition of sheet 113 at 1:100 000 does label all the German roads as N, not B. the smallest enclave won t show at this scale. On the 1:50
    Jun 07, 2001 @ 10:27 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2724. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Iron Curtain
    Jesper, There are many segments of the Iron Curtain being preserved in Germany for heritage/tourism purposes. In Berlin, city officials have painted a red
    Jun 06, 2001 @ 23:18 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
  2725. enclave maps
    The German DGK5 maps are photocopies because (according to Landes... Nordrhein-Westfalen), they only make proper copies when there is demand for at least 70
    Jun 07, 2001 @ 11:22 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2726. New poll for BoundaryPoint
    Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the BoundaryPoint group: The group list software provides an option for footers to be automatically
    Jun 07, 2001 @ 11:29 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com (BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com )
  2727. Happy Birthday, BoundaryPoint!
    BoundaryPoint is one year old today! Thanks to all BP participants who have made BoundaryPoint a great source for border fans from all over. Your
    Jun 07, 2001 @ 11:34 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  2728. Poll question on footers
    Judging from the appearance of the suggested footer content in the poll, the actual proposed footer format (as it would appear appended to posts) should be
    Jun 07, 2001 @ 11:40 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  2729. Re: Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
    Yes, but to draw the main border WEST of the railway at Entenpfuhl (i.e. near the smallest enclave), so that part of the Vennbahn ends up in Germany, is just
    Jun 07, 2001 @ 13:17 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2730. Happy birthday, BoundaryPoint!!!
    In case you shouldn t know: BoundaryPoint s e-mail group was founded exactly one year ago, on June 7, 2000!!! What a phantastic initiative it was, Bill and
    Jun 07, 2001 @ 14:39 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  2731. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Happy birthday, BoundaryPoint!!!
    Mmmm... Birthday Cake and Scotch! (A nice Bowmore, anyone?) Further to the GCEBE: I was contacted by CBC Radio (Canada s public broadcaster) and they want to
    Jun 07, 2001 @ 15:24 - Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline ("Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline" <dmurray@...>)
  2732. a 1 point bonus for chickening out & other tales
    ontario or bp bp bithday party special from the road runners beep beep we made adobe pass ok on nv hwy 225 but couldnt eat the whole road & chickened out of
    Jun 07, 2001 @ 18:21 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
  2733. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Happy Birthday, BoundaryPoint!
    I can t believe this is true. This is the second best thing that happened to me on the net. The best? Well, meeting my wife. Jesper ... From: Bill Hanrahan
    Jun 07, 2001 @ 19:13 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2734. Remember this one?
    Peter S. ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free
    Jun 07, 2001 @ 21:10 - Peter Smaardijk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Smaardijk?= <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
  2735. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Happy Birthday, BoundaryPoint!
    Mighty compliments indeed! Thank you for all of your contributions here Jesper...you re a big part of it. Bill
    Jun 08, 2001 @ 01:36 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  2736. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Remember this one?
    Very nice Peter! And now let me expose my ignorance...is that a working monument I should know? Bill
    Jun 08, 2001 @ 01:44 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  2737. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Happy birthday, BoundaryPoint!!!
    Peter, I honestly hope to take you up on that one day! Bill
    Jun 08, 2001 @ 01:47 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  2738. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Happy birthday, BoundaryPoint!!!
    Good deal, Doug! Keep us posted! Bill
    Jun 08, 2001 @ 01:47 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  2739. south african tripoints
    For those interested in South African and Swazi tripoints, you can order 1:50 000 topographic maps with a credit card from the South African survey dept. They
    Jun 08, 2001 @ 02:10 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2740. Re: [BoundaryPoint] south african tripoints
    In my experience that are not so keen on credit cards (http://w3sli.wcape.gov.za/). To those who were excited about it, well my Great Southern African Border
    Jun 08, 2001 @ 03:43 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2741. Re: [BoundaryPoint] south african tripoints
    They SAY they don t take credit cards, but I emailed them anyway and they are happy to take them. Never believe everything you read on the internet! I was
    Jun 08, 2001 @ 04:48 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2742. Re: Remember this one?
    It is the top of the Breitenstein, that started its life in the dark ages before the Roman Empire, and started its life at BoundaryPoint in message 1624. I
    Jun 08, 2001 @ 08:44 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2743. BO logo on grup home page
    A stylized logo of a boundary monument has been added to BP s main page (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint). The graphic is also available in GIF
    Jun 08, 2001 @ 10:45 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  2744. Re: BO logo on grup home page
    Bill, not to nitpick, but do you have the original image (i.e., the larger one that was used to make this small one)? If so, e-mail it to me. I think I can
    Jun 08, 2001 @ 15:13 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  2745. the morning after & the party lives
    driftwood library lincoln city or great party all & major thanx again to all parties for being here very droll & gorgeous of you peter especially to bring the
    Jun 09, 2001 @ 01:01 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
  2746. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Happy Birthday, BoundaryPoint!
    Happy Birthday, BoundaryPointers! Many returns. An e-card via e-mail to an e-group. (hope this works) gl Harry ten Veen This is the text I wanted to send to
    Jun 08, 2001 @ 22:32 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <h.ten.veen@...>)
  2747. update border-site
    hello, latest up-date on the Border Site: pictures of Hungarian Komarom and Slovakian Komarno now online (No. 20), as well as 5 pictures of Hungarian border
    Jun 09, 2001 @ 04:41 - kahbeh@hotmail.com (kahbeh@...)
  2748. Re: Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
    hello, maybe old news: but the Belgian railway Vennbahn which runs thru German territory has an internet site on www.vennbahn.de regards Bernd ... the ...
    Jun 09, 2001 @ 04:44 - kahbeh@hotmail.com (kahbeh@...)
  2749. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
    Can anyone identify the crossing and say where this is in the map. Or just tell what part is BE and what part is DE. Jesper ... From: To:
    Jun 09, 2001 @ 12:46 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2750. Re: [BoundaryPoint] thanks to Martin!!+CIA
    How is the BEDE and BENL borders measured? Incuding the realway border (which should make it much longer) and Baarle? Jesper ... From: Peter Hering To:
    Jun 09, 2001 @ 12:48 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2751. Great CAUS border story
    http://www.outtakes.com/45th/45th6.html
    Jun 09, 2001 @ 16:52 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2752. Canada or Mexico
    http://ens.lycos.com/ens/pics8/borderstation.jpg
    Jun 09, 2001 @ 17:13 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2753. just more multi stuff
    newport or harry that was a great multi e idea anyway & jesper we are right with you too crossed the 45th parallel at least twice the other day the most
    Jun 09, 2001 @ 17:40 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
  2754. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Canada or Mexico
    Jesper, It would be easier to tell if we could see some car registration plates. However, my guess is Mexico. Most of the Canadian s crossing don t look like
    Jun 09, 2001 @ 17:57 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
  2755. An Indian Ocean high seas enclave
    Attached is an EEZ rendering of the Indian Ocean north-east of Madagascar, with one nice high seas enclave I m prepared to hang my hat on, and another tiny
    Jun 09, 2001 @ 23:53 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@cs.com)
  2756. Re: Canada or Mexico
    Judging by the cowboy hat and drug-sniffing dog, I would say this is a Mexico/US border crossing. It looks identical to the one at Tijuana, but maybe others
    Jun 10, 2001 @ 01:13 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  2757. New member - in Lithuania
    For some weeks I have had the great pleasure subscribing to the Boundary Point list. I was told about it by Mr Rolf Palmberg, who has learned me much about
    Jun 10, 2001 @ 17:08 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <Jan@...>)
  2758. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New member - in Lithuania
    Jan, thank you for the good thoughts...I m certainly glad you ve found BoundaryPoint! With your permission, I would like to list your site on BP s links and
    Jun 10, 2001 @ 17:56 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  2759. RE: [BoundaryPoint] New member - in Lithuania
    Thanks, Bill! Thanks for your comments. Certainly you must list my page! Jan ... From: Bill Hanrahan [mailto:hanrahan@kua.net] Sent: 10. juni 2001 19.57 To:
    Jun 10, 2001 @ 18:00 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <Jan@...>)
  2760. FW: [BoundaryPoint] New member - in Lithuania
    ...sorry my terrible English... I meant to say - Certainly you MAY list my page! Jan ... From: Jan Krogh [mailto:Jan@Krogh.com] Sent: 10. juni 2001 20.00 To:
    Jun 10, 2001 @ 18:57 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
  2761. RE: [BoundaryPoint] New member - in Lithuania
    Will do...thanks Jan! Bill
    Jun 10, 2001 @ 19:18 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  2762. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New member - in Lithuania
    Jan, Greetings and welcome! Your enclave page is excellent. I m the guy who did the Point Roberts page. I m a 38 year old television producer who lives in
    Jun 10, 2001 @ 19:31 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
  2763. Re: FW: [BoundaryPoint] New member - in Lithuania
    I understood fully Jan! Your English is considerably better than my Norwegian or Lithuanian! Thank you also for putting the BP link on your page as well.
    Jun 10, 2001 @ 19:34 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  2764. Re: New member - in Lithuania
    Hi Jan, Of course you are most welcome to our little discussion spot on the web. I am especially glad that someone from Lithuania has joined us. A couple of
    Jun 10, 2001 @ 20:31 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2765. Narva/Ivangorod - Valga/Valka
    Doug, Thanks so much! Great to hear that you too are here! I enjoyed the Point Roberts page, especially how detailed you made it. Nothing was left to wonder
    Jun 10, 2001 @ 20:29 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
  2766. ongoing & upcoming tries
    florence or welcome jan & nice going grant tho i cant receive either of your sends here yet still it is very civilized in oregon with libraries even open on
    Jun 10, 2001 @ 22:56 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
  2767. Re: ongoing & upcoming tries
    Regarding ORW: This area is a real fractal mess, with the definition of ORW apparently depending on the map scale. I agree that the Cape Blanco headland is a
    Jun 11, 2001 @ 00:33 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  2768. Limitless
    Here is a picture of the boat I mentioned in my last post: http://www.dispatch.com/news/newsfea99/july99/mike16fea.html Come to think of it, this might make a
    Jun 11, 2001 @ 00:38 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  2769. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
    On the bilder ie pictures, page on http://www.vennbahn.de/ There is another photo 4 from the bottom of the page, looking down the road towards the rail line
    Jun 11, 2001 @ 01:33 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2770. Lithuanian enclave
    Jan, greetings from a fellow enclave nut in Australia. Nice maps on your site. I too am confused by the name you gave the Lithuanian enclavei n Belaurs, as ny
    Jun 11, 2001 @ 02:06 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2771. Lithuanian enclave2
    Jan, The following is from the LIETUVOS RESPUBLIKOS UZSIENIO REIKALU MINISTERIJA VALSTYBES SIENOS DELIMITAVIMO IR DEMARKAVIMO KOMISIJA or in English MINISTRY
    Jun 11, 2001 @ 02:12 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2772. Estonian-Russian border
    Hi everyone! My name is Andres, 23-years old estonian and I joined today to this group. Some days earlier I sent to Peter Hering an e-mail concerning the
    Jun 11, 2001 @ 08:27 - andreslb2000@yahoo.co.uk (andreslb2000@...)
  2773. BorderPictures
    I am now on my African update. However I came across this great USMX gallery http://shoko.calarts.edu/old/AlejandroRosas/boundary/archive_one.html Jesper
    Jun 11, 2001 @ 19:42 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2774. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BorderPictures
    Good one, Jesper! I ll place it in the Bookmarks (links) section. Bill
    Jun 11, 2001 @ 21:09 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  2775. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Estonian-Russian border
    Andres, an especially warm welcome to our first Estonian in the group! On an unrelated topic...have you ever heard of the late Paul Saagpakk who passed away in
    Jun 11, 2001 @ 21:36 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  2776. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Estonian-Russian border
    Tere, kuidas käsi käib, Andres! Greetings from Vilnius. Great to have a fellow Balt in the group. Welcome to the list! I am a 36 old Norwegian living down
    Jun 11, 2001 @ 22:47 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <Jan@...>)
  2777. Adutiskes
    Hi Peter Thanks for very interesting postings! What you are writing about Adutiškes is more or less what I know, too. We were there, I think around 96, and
    Jun 11, 2001 @ 22:46 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <Jan@Krogh.com>)
  2778. westernmost oregon
    gold beach or good pointing at orw this morning on & around cape blanco photographed absolute orw from the clifftop first more or less marked by a passing
    Jun 11, 2001 @ 23:02 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
  2779. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Lithuanian enclave
    Brendan, Pagiriai is the official Lithuanian name of the farm. The name I used was the local Russian name, as most villagers in this area are of Slavic origin
    Jun 11, 2001 @ 23:12 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <Jan@Krogh.com>)
  2780. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Lithuanian enclave
    Brendan, Pagiriai is the official Lithuanian name of the farm. The name I used was the local Russian name, as most villagers in this area are of Slavic origin
    Jun 11, 2001 @ 23:13 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <Jan@Krogh.com>)
  2781. Driving on the right
    Talking of driving on the right hand side, there is only one public street in the UK where you can do this. Where? In the heart of London: the Savoy hotel
    Jun 12, 2001 @ 01:14 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2782. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Driving on the right
    Brendan, are you aware of any land borders between countries which drive on opposite sides of the road, thereby requiring a changeover at the border? Bill
    Jun 12, 2001 @ 01:17 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  2783. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Driving on the right
    Of course! This was a question in my quiz to the international boundaries list, last Christmas that got posted to this list about the same time. For best
    Jun 12, 2001 @ 01:56 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2784. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Driving on the right
    Fascinating...the number far exceeds what I expected! I vaguely remember some discussion of same, but I guess I must have been daydreaming. Thanks for
    Jun 12, 2001 @ 02:59 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  2785. FW: [BoundaryPoint] Estonian-Russian border
    I forgot to underline that this about 5 km road, west of the Swedish Kvarnbergsvattnet lake at Gäddede town in Middle Sweden, at this time of course did was
    Jun 12, 2001 @ 05:45 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <Jan@...>)
  2786. Africanboundaries-statistics
    Dear fellow boundary freaks, attached pls find the latest statistics on boundary lines from all over the world: African boundaries - ranking, length of
    Jun 12, 2001 @ 07:25 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
  2787. Gideon Biger
    Thanks, Peter for your boundaries statistics! How to buy the Gideon Biger - on internet? (In this country it is not yet possible to order this kind of books at
    Jun 12, 2001 @ 08:14 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <Jan@...>)
  2788. driving on the right. How to practice
    For all those who regularly drive on the left, here is my tip for practising dring on the right in France Belgium and especially Italy. 1) Buy a computer
    Jun 12, 2001 @ 10:51 - michaelstride@hotmail.com (michaelstride@...)
  2789. Number of roads_ Answer
    The answer is none! They are ALL streets, avenues etc, but no roads. The City is a seperatly defined area with its own police force and boundaries.
    Jun 12, 2001 @ 10:57 - michaelstride@hotmail.com (michaelstride@...)
  2790. Re: Number of roads_ Answer
    Alright... And the capital of Britain is not the City of London but the City of Westminster then, housing both Parliament and the Queen? And no, the capital of
    Jun 12, 2001 @ 11:10 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2791. Re: Adutiskes
    Beautiful pictures Jan! The Byelorussian village is probably called Kruki. This is the name I found in the Moskovskie novosti article, although I couldn t find
    Jun 12, 2001 @ 11:16 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2792. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon Biger
    Yes, indeed, Jan - The Bible can be bought through Internet bookstores .. as far as I re- member it s quite a heavy price, appr. 100US! you d have to pay...
    Jun 12, 2001 @ 12:22 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  2793. capital city info for Peter
    Well, I checked my databases for legislation that defines London, or indeed the City of Westminster as the Capital and drew a blank (Im a lawyer). As I m
    Jun 12, 2001 @ 14:51 - michaelstride@hotmail.com (michaelstride@...)
  2794. Re: [BoundaryPoint] capital city info for Peter
    South Africa is also a bit funny here, with three capitals: Pretoria - Administrative Capital Cape Town - Legislative Capital Bloemfontein - Judicial Capital
    Jun 12, 2001 @ 15:22 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2795. caorus to oruswa
    coos bay or good to get all those road rules straight at last as we dodge logging trucks smiling of course nothing much new here either but i did learn the
    Jun 12, 2001 @ 17:59 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
  2796. re message 2797
    peter hi could the difference between your 2 sources regarding the length of the boundary between the 2 congos be that one of them has overlooked cabinda just
    Jun 12, 2001 @ 18:26 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
  2797. Re: [BoundaryPoint] re message 2797
    Well, Mike, the Cabinda border with Congo is only 201 km and the southern part of C. which neighbors DR Congo 225 km... so that can t be the explanation...nice
    Jun 12, 2001 @ 18:53 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  2798. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Custom-hedges in India
    I found some information myself; using an UK-version of AltaVista. And, no surprise, Roy Moxham has his own place in cyberspace: http://www.roymoxham.com/ here
    Jun 12, 2001 @ 20:47 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <h.ten.veen@...>)
  2799. Re: Custom-hedges in India
    The only boundary hedge I know is Ef Hupster Hagiy ( http://www.spok.demon.nl/grenzeno.htm ). I just wonder where Tweehuysen got his idea from... [For all you
    Jun 12, 2001 @ 22:00 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2800. Re: capital city info for Peter
    Apart from Amsterdam being the constitutionally defined capital of the Netherlands, it is the only city that is called city as well, by virtue of the former
    Jun 12, 2001 @ 22:24 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2801. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon Biger
    ... But of course, you only have one land boundary! BW _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail
    Jun 13, 2001 @ 01:18 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2802. Re: [BoundaryPoint] capital city info for Peter
    Liie Bolivia and South Africa, the Netherlands has two capitals, de jure and de facto. Being so small, the dutch case is perhaps unsurprising. The other two
    Jun 13, 2001 @ 01:24 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2803. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Custom-hedges in India
    There are several second hand copies available at bookshops at www.abebooks.com. Or go to amazon, Barnes and Noble etc. I asked at our uni bookshop here and
    Jun 13, 2001 @ 01:28 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2804. Re: capital city info for Peter
    Bhutan used to have two capitals too: one for the summer (Thimbu) and one in wintertime (Punakha). This meant that the entire royal court, and all state civil
    Jun 13, 2001 @ 06:38 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2805. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon Biger - reply to BW+query!
    Well, Brendan, I guess you re right, DK most certainly deserves no more than one copy... having only one boundary line... Btw: there might be a chance for the
    Jun 13, 2001 @ 09:38 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  2806. Re: capital city info for Peter-europe question
    Of course, (but in no way comprable to Bhutan) the European Parliament moves from Bruxelles to Strasbourg from time to time. This is not to escape the heat
    Jun 13, 2001 @ 09:44 - michaelstride@hotmail.com (michaelstride@...)
  2807. Re: Gideon Biger - reply to BW+query!
    Not Brendan but me (Peter S) responding. See Brendans message 1371 + the attached map. The Belgian railway in Germany ran near the spot called Hemmeres
    Jun 13, 2001 @ 10:01 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2808. US-Mexico photos
    I took these pictures last week. 1) This picture shows that the US-Mexico border fence is actually inside the United States by about one meter. The actual
    Jun 13, 2001 @ 16:58 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
  2809. the rest
    Here are the rest of the pics to go with the commentary.
    Jun 13, 2001 @ 17:37 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
  2810. US-Mexico and citizenship
    These pictures remind me of a recent discussion I had with a US Immigration supervisor about citizenship. In theory, given the fact that the fence is three
    Jun 13, 2001 @ 18:02 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
  2811. Re: US-Mexico and citizenship - walls & borders
    This reminds me of something I brought up here some time ago. I was arguing that some boundary markers are actually walls, like the Berlin wall. I think it was
    Jun 13, 2001 @ 18:53 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2812. Your Corbis e-card from a friend
    Hello! You have received a FREE Corbis e-card from Jesper Nielsen. To pick up your e-card, click: http://ecard.corbis.com/c.asp?c=dPUTdyH1843316 If that
    Jun 13, 2001 @ 19:34 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2813. all the above
    yachats or pronounced yah hots meaning a passion for affirmation i would guess first public library visited where you just help yourself to the internet as if
    Jun 13, 2001 @ 19:58 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
  2814. Re: [BoundaryPoint] all the above
    michael donner : first public library visited where you just help yourself to the internet as if it were a free pay phone Sounds like Denmark....... Jesper
    Jun 13, 2001 @ 20:08 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2815. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Your Corbis e-card from a friend
    Tried to sent another eCard, but I cannot spell Boundary, so here is the link http://ecard.corbis.com/c.asp?c=gbUMWfr1843387 Jesper
    Jun 13, 2001 @ 20:20 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2816. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Your Corbis e-card from a friend
    A good guess would be that the border is actually precisely where the sign is, i. e. the white line probably constitutes the border. I base this on pictures of
    Jun 13, 2001 @ 20:34 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
  2817. Re: [BoundaryPoint] US-Mexico photos
    Dallen, thank you!!! I ve been anxiously waiting for these! The gap indicating US territory between the monument and the fence reminds me of several that I
    Jun 13, 2001 @ 20:58 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  2818. RE: [BoundaryPoint] US-Mexico photos
    Bill, I was thinking that the brackets on the one monument were for a fence line--maybe at one time the fence was actually attached to the the boundary marker
    Jun 13, 2001 @ 21:04 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
  2819. RE: [BoundaryPoint] US-Mexico photos
    Come to think of it, you re probably right Dallen...I guess a good example would be the large monument near the beach in the Imperial Beach-Tijuana area: from
    Jun 13, 2001 @ 21:19 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  2820. RE: [BoundaryPoint] US-Mexico photos
    That s correct, and I think it s only one of the very few (if there are any others) where the fence is precisely on the border. I haven t been to that poin
    Jun 13, 2001 @ 21:25 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
  2821. Re: US-Mexico and citizenship
    I m not a constitutional lawyer (I don t even play one on TV), but I can see why this raises some interesting federal-state questions. Presumably, the US INS
    Jun 13, 2001 @ 22:35 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  2822. Sokh enclave from Jan's site
    Jan: Great maps! On the map of the Chon-Gara Uzbek enclave, there is great detail of the larger Sokh enclave, too, showing many more towns/villages than I
    Jun 13, 2001 @ 22:51 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
  2823. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: US-Mexico and citizenship
    I agree Bill. In the case of the Arizona Department of Transportation, you are absolutely correct. If pavement is any indicator of legal limits, which it is,
    Jun 13, 2001 @ 23:08 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
  2824. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: US-Mexico and citizenship
    Just another case of the locals being smarter than the Feds! Bill
    Jun 13, 2001 @ 23:39 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  2825. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon Biger - reply to BW+query!
    The German hamlet is Hemmeres. 1.5km south alongthe German-Belgian boundary form the E42/A60 freeway, or 8km SSE of St Vith, Belgium, and 8km SofW of Bleialf,
    Jun 14, 2001 @ 00:26 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2826. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: US-Mexico and citizenship - walls & borders
    Hadrian s wall, Antoinine Wall... And the longest fence in the world, the austrlaian vermin fences (anti rabbit and anti-dongo) which follow sttate boundaries
    Jun 14, 2001 @ 00:40 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2827. RE: [BoundaryPoint] US-Mexico photos
    The fence India is building along its 4000km Bangladesh border is 125m back fomr the zero line , as an early agreement denied the use of a 250m buffer zone
    Jun 14, 2001 @ 00:46 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2828. RE: [BoundaryPoint] US-Mexico photos
    The monument at tijunana near the beach and bull ring has the fence attached to either side of it. BW ...
    Jun 14, 2001 @ 00:47 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2829. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon Biger - reply to BW+query!
    Brendan, in a similar (but off topic) vein, there s a funny story from the aviation world about an exchange between air traffic controllers in Sydney and a 747
    Jun 14, 2001 @ 01:13 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  2830. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon Biger - reply to BW+query!
    ... I must protest! From June 2000 Denmark is entitled to another copy of Biger. Take a look at the non-wet boundary marker on Peter s own site (!) at
    Jun 14, 2001 @ 05:19 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
  2831. Re: Gideon Biger - reply to BW+query!
    Is this a land border? A sea border? Or an air space border? A border on a bridge is peculiar... If it is within the 12 nm zone of both countries, I would say
    Jun 14, 2001 @ 09:31 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2832. Re: US-Mexico photos
    Not very nice, I agree, but the alternative would be that the zone is completely off limits. I recall that prior to WW2, France evacuated everyone who was
    Jun 14, 2001 @ 09:36 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2833. Estonian-Latvian border
    Hallo! As Jan found a map about Estonian-Latvian border in Valga, I would like to add an internet site about the picture of the border:
    Jun 14, 2001 @ 12:22 - andreslb2000@yahoo.co.uk (andreslb2000@...)
  2834. BoNaZaZi near-miss
    Looking at my map last night, I realised something terrible. In a week s time I ll pass within a few km of the out-of-focus Botswana/Namibia/Zambia/Zimbabwe
    Jun 14, 2001 @ 12:31 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <grant.l.hutchison@...>)
  2835. Estonian maps
    Andres, as you are the only Estonian here at BoundaryPoint (that I m aware of, anyway), I would like to ask you something: Can you tell me and us all what is
    Jun 14, 2001 @ 12:44 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2836. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BoNaZaZi near-miss
    I thought there was still a dispute about whether it is a quadripoint or two nearby tri-points, and if two tri-points, which two. Has it been solidly resolved
    Jun 14, 2001 @ 13:11 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  2837. Re: BoNaZaZi near-miss
    ... or ... Sorry, I ve caused confusion - I was actually making reference to this dispute, and flagging it by putting quadripoint in quotes. A while back
    Jun 14, 2001 @ 13:43 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <grant.l.hutchison@...>)
  2838. Estonian map
    Thanks Peter, for that question, Yes, those are Estonian-Russian and Estonian-Latvian disputes: Map no 1 Merepiir Narva Lahel - the green line indicates
    Jun 14, 2001 @ 13:47 - andreslb2000@yahoo.co.uk (andreslb2000@...)
  2839. Re: Estonian map
    Great stuff, Andres, thank you! You say that the Duma is possibly not going to ratify the new boundary. But does Estonia agree? After all, this would mean that
    Jun 14, 2001 @ 14:14 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2840. Estonia map
    Peter! Some days ago I sent to Peter Hering by post an exact Estonian map consisting of those absurd places like Dubki, Sesniki etc. I hope he will scan it.
    Jun 14, 2001 @ 14:57 - andreslb2000@yahoo.co.uk (andreslb2000@...)
  2841. Re: Estonia map
    The Human rights issue would be the requirement that all Estonian citizens at least speak the national language, I gather? The whole thing doesn t surprise
    Jun 14, 2001 @ 15:13 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2842. Berlin exclaves revisited: Erlengrund, Fichtewiese
    Colleagues, On a recent trip to Germany I had the opportunity to spend a day on exclave archeology in Berlin. As you are all doubtless aware, and as has been
    Jun 14, 2001 @ 17:21 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
  2843. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Berlin exclaves revisited: Erlengrund, Fichte wiese
    Excellent pictures Mats! ... From: Mats Hessman [mailto:Mats@lpa.se] Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 10:21 AM To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Subject:
    Jun 14, 2001 @ 17:57 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
  2844. East-West Germany Border Diagram
    Hi Everyone, Mats pictures of the old enclave locations and the border itself got me thinking about this diagram that I ve attached here. It shows in great
    Jun 14, 2001 @ 18:13 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
  2845. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Gideon Biger - reply to BW+query!
    Thanks Brendan, for your words of comfort about Biger countries... And thanks, too, for the exact description of the location of our (sorry!) picnic table,
    Jun 14, 2001 @ 19:20 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  2846. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BoNaZaZi near-miss
    Well Grant, I d say it would be a terrible miss in either way...! Peter H. ... From: Grant Hutchison Date: Thursday, June 14, 2001 14:32:01 To:
    Jun 14, 2001 @ 19:25 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  2847. Welcome to Savienibas Street!
    That little street in Valga/Valka is really a special case! The Estonians that live on this street in Latvia, 35 in all, must be one of the smallest ethnical
    Jun 14, 2001 @ 19:39 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2848. Boundary lines Sweden-Denmark + Singap/Malaysia
    Very interesting subject, Mats! Quite recently, Jesper and I had a discussion on this topic: are boundaries on bridges to be seen as land boundaries.. it goes
    Jun 14, 2001 @ 19:59 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  2849. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Boundary lines Sweden-Denmark + Singap/Malays ia
    And then there is the case with borders in tunnels under the sea, and I can think of only one; France - UK. If we think there are only two categories, land
    Jun 14, 2001 @ 20:20 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
  2850. bwana zoom zoo ho
    yachats grant bro you will be making the first known try in history at bwnazmzw aka bwnazm plus bwzmzw so you will be hailed as a conquering hero here & i
    Jun 14, 2001 @ 20:24 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
  2851. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Boundary lines Sweden-Denmark + Singap/Malays ia
    Speaking of tunnel borders: Does anyone know if any borders within tunnels are marker`? Jesper ... From: Mats Hessman To:
    Jun 14, 2001 @ 20:26 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2852. UsCa border pix
    As a supplement to Dallen s great Us-Ca border pictures, I ll add another one (not on my home- page): Boundary UsA - Canada betw. Alberta/Montana US H way 17
    Jun 14, 2001 @ 20:32 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
  2853. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Boundary lines Sweden-Denmark + Singap/Malays ia
    The US-Canada border is clearly marked inside the tunnel that runs between Detroit and Windsor under the Detroit River. Dallen ... From: Jesper & Nicolette
    Jun 14, 2001 @ 20:26 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
  2854. RE: [BoundaryPoint] UsCa border pix
    Peter, this is definitely one of the most scenic border crossing on the US-Canada border! I m heading back up there next month to Waterton Glacier to do some
    Jun 14, 2001 @ 20:32 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
  2855. Re: bwana zoom zoo ho
    ... Ah, if only I were taking the fabled Kazungula ferry ... No, we ll be travelling in much less style, bouncing along the dirt road between Vic Falls (Zim)
    Jun 14, 2001 @ 21:31 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
  2856. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Boundary lines Sweden-Denmark + Singap/Malays ia
    ... There is a piece of the Canada-US border in a tunnel under a navigable river near Detroit. That s close, right? David
    Jun 15, 2001 @ 00:09 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  2857. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Gideon Biger - reply to BW+query!
    I would not count a bridge or causeway as a land boundary, any more than the chunnel. Thus Singapore is an island, as is Bahrain, and Denmark has one land
    Jun 15, 2001 @ 00:55 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2858. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Estonian maps
    On the third map, note the coastal fragment of Estonia surrounded by Russia at the south end of the lake. BW ...
    Jun 15, 2001 @ 01:05 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2859. Re: [BoundaryPoint] BoNaZaZi near-miss
    Still unresolved to my knowledge. BW ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN
    Jun 15, 2001 @ 01:06 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2860. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Gideon Biger - reply to BW+query!
    Personally, I would count a tunnel as a land boundary-- why not? (Not a bridge, and I m not sure about a causeway.) It is now 1 to 1, what do the rest of you
    Jun 15, 2001 @ 01:12 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  2861. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Boundary lines Sweden-Denmark + Singap/Malays ia
    The various Spanish-French and Italian-French road tunnels are marked I m sure. I was near Aldwich tube station in London last year, and at one nasty road
    Jun 15, 2001 @ 01:29 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2862. Re: Boundary lines Sweden-Denmark + Singap/Malays ia
    I don t think there is a London Underground station called Aldwych. The closest one would be Temple. This is near the London/Westminster border. This border is
    Jun 15, 2001 @ 05:59 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2863. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Boundary lines Sweden-Denmark + Singap/Malays ia
    Peter There was a station called Aldwych. It look gone on the latest online map, but it was a funny peek hour line between Aldwych and Holborn. Jesper ...
    Jun 15, 2001 @ 06:11 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2864. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Boundary lines Sweden-Denmark + Singap/Malays ia
    http://www.starfury.demon.co.uk/uground/aldwych_tour.html ... From: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen To: Sent:
    Jun 15, 2001 @ 06:18 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2865. Re: Gideon Biger - reply to BW+query!
    Mmm... there we go again (you re going to keep the scores, David?). My (personal, needless to say) opinion is that the border in the tunnel depends entirely on
    Jun 15, 2001 @ 06:21 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2866. Re: Boundary lines Sweden-Denmark + Singap/Malays ia
    You re completely right. I d say the boundary then is either London/Westminster or London/Camden (Holborn sta. is in Camden). Peter S. ... Singap/Malays ia ...
    Jun 15, 2001 @ 06:29 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2867. Re: Estonian maps
    I don t see it. You don t mean Dubki? Because that is a piece of Russia surrounded by Estonia. And you can see it on the 3rd map. Peter S. ... by Russia ...
    Jun 15, 2001 @ 06:41 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2868. Artif. islands, landfills, and their effect on 12 nm
    Acc. to UNCLOS, art. 11: For the purpose of delimiting the territorial sea, the outermost permanent harbour works which form an integral part of the harbour
    Jun 15, 2001 @ 07:18 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2869. London underground and Russian pene-enclave
    You re right. Me shooting my keyboard off again. and about Aldwych. I meant Aldgate, at the eastern edge of the Circle Line. Sorry. I ll have to dig out the
    Jun 15, 2001 @ 09:26 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2870. Re: London underground and Russian pene-enclave
    Aha. In that case, it could be the boundary London/Tower Hamlets. Nice you mention all these metro things. I m a big fan of these. I just wrote an article on
    Jun 15, 2001 @ 10:32 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2871. Re: Berlin exclaves revisited: Erlengrund, Fichtewiese
    Lovely pictures, Mats. Seen in the light of what has been said here about fences/walls vs. boundaries, it is peculiar to see that Erlengrund has been kept
    Jun 15, 2001 @ 12:00 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2872. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Berlin exclaves revisited: Erlengrund, Fi chtewiese
    ... I have noticed this as well. I think that the dotted line on the map either is not correct or refers to an earlier situation. Mats
    Jun 15, 2001 @ 12:06 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
  2873. Re: Gideon Biger - reply to BW+query!
    Another related issue involves extreme points with man-made extensions. The southernmost point in New Jersey is ambiguous. There are two breakwaters extending
    Jun 15, 2001 @ 15:27 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  2874. Re: Gideon Biger - reply to BW+query!
    I see the URL was split so here is is again: http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?z=18&e=505638&n=4308632&s=25&size=s BJB ... few ... and ... David?). ... the ...
    Jun 15, 2001 @ 15:29 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  2875. multi message du jour
    yachats still thinking we might stay here forever & join the resident pod we visited the nearby cape perpetua parapet yesterday for what is rightly billed as
    Jun 15, 2001 @ 21:08 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
  2876. Estonia-Russia borderpix from Andres
    Dear boundary freaks, attached pls find three pictures from the Estonian-Russian border, taken by Andres, our new member from Estonia, in August last year.
    Jun 16, 2001 @ 13:56 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
  2877. Estonia-Russia border pict.+explanation
    here s pict. no. 3 - plus the maps P.Hering
    Jun 16, 2001 @ 13:58 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
  2878. Re: Estonia-Russia borderpix from Andres
    Very interesting, but I believe this is lesson 2 in boundary seduction. Jane clearly set the standard at New Mexico - Oklahoma - Texas, as shown at this link:
    Jun 16, 2001 @ 16:23 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  2879. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Estonia-Russia borderpix from Andres
    Hmmm...this could be the beginning of the pointers and bounders equivalent of the Mile High Club . Bill
    Jun 16, 2001 @ 16:38 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  2880. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
    I am not quite sure if I have misunderstood something or not, but I can only copy four present enclaves in Roetgen/Monschau. At the enclosed be_ty03,jpg file:
    Jun 16, 2001 @ 18:28 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@yahoo.no>)
  2881. mxus to caus bicyclist reaches here & other tales
    yachats until further notice finally bagged our point of er oregonian oregano last night & it was worth the wait our host here is the only black person in this
    Jun 17, 2001 @ 01:52 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
  2882. excuse me
    oops meant to say no one need ever be afraid now what have i done m Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
    Jun 16, 2001 @ 19:04 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
  2883. Re: [BoundaryPoint] excuse me
    That s OK, Mike...the sentiments are true and appreciated. Bill
    Jun 16, 2001 @ 21:29 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  2884. NMOKTX
    And here I was at the same spot as Jane... http://www.geog.buffalo.edu/~dmark/tristate/NMOKTX02.jpg Not as good a pose, I admit. (See also
    Jun 16, 2001 @ 23:28 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  2885. Re: mxus to caus bicyclist reaches here & other tales
    I was aware of the pointlessness of the point in the photo but thought it would injure the joke if I added an asterisk. BJB
    Jun 16, 2001 @ 23:47 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  2886. NMOKTX Question
    Maybe Jack, Mike, or David can answer this: Is the true NMOKTX monument shown at the cross-hair location on the following topo map?
    Jun 17, 2001 @ 00:01 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  2887. Re: [BoundaryPoint] NMOKTX Question
    Dear BJButler, The monument I photographed and was photographed with, a concrete post some 8 inches across, shown on
    Jun 17, 2001 @ 00:21 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  2888. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
    You have the two at Roetgen, correct, then the tiny one (#3), then on your map, what is shown as a large #3 with a bottleneck and a bulbous southern end is
    Jun 17, 2001 @ 02:14 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2889. Re: NMOKTX Question
    Messages 2764 and 2893 imply that the monument you are photographed with, which, as you say, is the same one JC was photographed with, is not the real NMOKTX
    Jun 17, 2001 @ 03:03 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  2890. Re: [BoundaryPoint] NMOKTX Question
    David s description of his route to the monument, and the location of the monument is exactly the way we found it, so I too am perplexed by the questioning
    Jun 17, 2001 @ 03:25 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
  2891. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
    Thank you, Brendan, very much for clearing up this question. Maybe you can help me with a correct mapping of the Reichenstein area where the two enclaves, #4
    Jun 17, 2001 @ 08:26 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <Jan@Krogh.com>)
  2892. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Sokh enclave from Jan's site
    Grant, Thank you for your comments. I am sorry that I renamed the Sokh enclave. In next update I will give it back it s truely name. My reason was that I
    Jun 17, 2001 @ 10:02 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <Jan@...>)
  2893. A treat in BP
    I am very proud to present what I think is a treat on BorderPictures. Look in the Africa section for Burkina-Ghana. Enjoy! Jesper ... From: Jan Krogh To:
    Jun 17, 2001 @ 12:06 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2894. Re: [BoundaryPoint] NMOKTX Question
    BJButler s reference to message 2764 explains why there is a question. ... But from my experience, my map reading, and Jack s message below, it seems to me
    Jun 17, 2001 @ 13:01 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  2895. Re: NMOKTX Question
    It does sound like Mike s recent visit was to some other marker. Having not been there yet, I could not reconcile his report with the map and/or David/Jack s
    Jun 17, 2001 @ 15:26 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  2896. about the nmoktx flap
    newport or just for the sunday open library internet fix & happy fathers day to all you bp fathers out there first of all i apologize again to members who
    Jun 18, 2001 @ 03:58 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
  2897. Re: [BoundaryPoint] about the nmoktx flap
    Michael, are you REALLY claiming that the monument in http://www.bjbsoftware.com/corners/photos/NMOKTXJane.jpg is not the same as the monument in
    Jun 17, 2001 @ 21:38 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  2898. Re: about the nmoktx flap
    Hahaha. And away we go! BJB ... everybody is ... pseudonmoktx ... king jacks ... only just ... visit
    Jun 17, 2001 @ 21:50 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  2899. Re: about the nmoktx flap
    Mike, how far is the stone s throw nwn? BJB ... from ... ourselves ... review ... brian ... playful
    Jun 18, 2001 @ 00:26 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  2900. Re: about the nmoktx flap
    Make that wnw - itchy typing fingers. BJB ... that
    Jun 18, 2001 @ 00:27 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  2901. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: about the nmoktx flap
    And how big was the stone?
    Jun 18, 2001 @ 00:30 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  2902. Roetgen-Monschau
    In the following emails I include scans of an overall map of the post-1945 changes along the Bel-Ger border, from the International Boundary Study No7, June
    Jun 18, 2001 @ 02:11 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
  2903. Roetgen-Monschau 2
    _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
    Jun 18, 2001 @ 02:13 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
  2904. quadpoint RuChMoKa
    This is my first time on the group. Is this a true Quadpoint or not, I can t tell on my maps. ThankYou Randy Finder
    Jun 18, 2001 @ 02:24 - Randy Finder ("Randy Finder" <naraht@...>)
  2905. Cooch Behar
    This scan is the sketch map of enclaves along the India-Bangladesh boundary from an article by R.Banerjee, the Commissioner of the Presidency division of West
    Jun 18, 2001 @ 02:26 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
  2906. Re: [BoundaryPoint] quadpoint RuChMoKa
    No, it s two tri points, about 35miles apart. Thus russia has 2 boundary segments with China. Brendan Whyte ...
    Jun 18, 2001 @ 02:30 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2907. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Cooch Behar
    Brendan, Thank you for sharing your knowledge an wonderful maps, as seen recently with the Cooch Behar and Monschau/Roetgen-maps. The Cooch Behar map was
    Jun 18, 2001 @ 05:40 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
  2908. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: London underground and Russian pene-enclave
    The underground issue is a bid off-topic. Perhaps we should make a new group. Just to brag a little bit: I was employed by London Transport in 1988-1990. Had a
    Jun 18, 2001 @ 05:49 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2909. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Cooch Behar
    Brendan, Where is the counter-counter-exclave, please? There is one, isn t there? Mats ... [..cut..]
    Jun 18, 2001 @ 07:29 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
  2910. Re: London underground and Russian pene-enclave
    ... new group. Perhaps we should. ... 1988-1990. Had a free travel pass and did all sorts of things like seeing all stations. ... atlas of London, go check the
    Jun 18, 2001 @ 09:23 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2911. Re: quadpoint RuChMoKa
    According to a Russian article I have, the eastern part of the Chinese-Russian border is 4195 km 220 m long, and the western part 56 km 575 m. By the way: the
    Jun 18, 2001 @ 09:33 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2912. Re: Roetgen-Monschau 2
    There is a very peculiar situation to be seen on the scan Monschau1: the road L106 near a farm I think is called Hatzevenn: a German corridor in Belgium. For
    Jun 18, 2001 @ 09:38 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2913. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Cooch Behar
    Pink #51 inside green 19 inside pink 42/43/47 complex. ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free
    Jun 18, 2001 @ 10:53 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2914. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Roetgen-Monschau 2
    Yes, I don t know what the story is here. from bieng there, the signs on the road imply the road is Belgian. The boundary stones do too. That the end of this
    Jun 18, 2001 @ 11:08 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2915. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: London underground and Russian pene-enclave
    Yes, I do mean Epping Forest and Enfield, and even Waltham Forest and Enfield. My map is a London Streetfinder of 1994. Jesper ... From: Peter Smaardijk
    Jun 18, 2001 @ 12:55 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2916. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Cooch Behar
    ... Thanks. I took the liberty of pasting togehter the two map- segments from Cooch Behar that Brendan posted earlier today, into a complete map. The file is
    Jun 18, 2001 @ 13:02 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
  2917. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Cooch Behar
    Mats and Brendan, Thank you very much, both of you. I would very much like to make a link to this file from my page! Jan
    Jun 18, 2001 @ 15:25 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
  2918. Border tv series... cross your fingers!
    Hello all: Just finished attending the Banff Television Festival in Banff, Alberta (I m still in Calgary). I was there to meet the people that make, buy,
    Jun 18, 2001 @ 16:36 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
  2919. Re: [BoundaryPoint] excuse me
    Hello all: Just finished attending the Banff Television Festival in Banff, Alberta (I m still in Calgary). I was there to meet the people that make, buy,
    Jun 18, 2001 @ 16:36 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
  2920. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border tv series... cross your fingers!
    Very interesting Doug! While not a documentary, this reminded me of a syndicated western series called Bordertown which was about a fictional old west town
    Jun 18, 2001 @ 18:00 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  2921. Frederiksberg-Copenhagen
    Arif has been so kind to mention me on his site, so I have been testing out my new Polariod 320 digital camera. I have put up a site on the
    Jun 18, 2001 @ 20:25 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2922. Re: Border tv series... cross your fingers!
    What is the intended audience? BJB ... Alberta ... programming. ... individual ... twist? ... thinking ... IN-PK ... when ... would ... town.
    Jun 18, 2001 @ 20:41 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  2923. nmoktx & columbia mouths
    longview wa bagged a good 3nm photo of oruswa this morning from the beach near ilwaco wa then made an also good & much closer photo of absolute orn & another
    Jun 18, 2001 @ 21:56 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
  2924. Re: nmoktx & columbia mouths
    ... ilwaco wa ... great ... sawanabori ... of its ... the army ... exactly ... pair ... deliberate ... alike
    Jun 18, 2001 @ 23:36 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  2925. Re: nmoktx & columbia mouths
    Unfortunately your explanation of the NMOKTX problem is not helpful because we still don t know anything about where the real NMOKTX monument is relative to
    Jun 18, 2001 @ 23:41 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  2926. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Border tv series... cross your fingers!
    The audience is multi-national. I see the series being done in English, then translated into other languages. The target person would be someone with an
    Jun 18, 2001 @ 23:45 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>)
  2927. Re: Border tv series... cross your fingers!
    I asked because I think there are two main camps among boundary people and it shows in the type of boundary points they are interested in. The first and
    Jun 19, 2001 @ 00:25 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  2928. Re: [BoundaryPoint] excuse me
    Could be Taba, on the Egyptian red sea coast. Do you REALLY want to go to Kashimir? Could be very interesting... the wire, the electric fence, the
    Jun 19, 2001 @ 00:40 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2929. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: nmoktx & columbia mouths
    ... I am fairly sure that Michael is CLAIMING that monument photographed with Jane is ersatz, but the one with me is the real one. I.e., that there are (at
    Jun 19, 2001 @ 04:10 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  2930. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Border tv series... cross your fingers!
    Great news Doug! I m sure one of the targets of a new series could be the boundary line bisecting the hotel at the Swiss-French border at La Cure- a
    Jun 19, 2001 @ 08:05 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  2931. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Border tv series... cross your fingers!
    Hello Brian, interesting theory - but: I certainly belong to both categories of yours, and I know several other people who are mad about borders having both
    Jun 19, 2001 @ 08:26 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  2932. Re: Border tv series... cross your fingers!
    No doubt. Even the boundary between these groups is fuzzy. BJB ... bisect ... and ... getting ... their ... so ... http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
    Jun 19, 2001 @ 16:44 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  2933. more fluff but not entirely pointless
    longview wa no we didnt stay in longview this long for the view but slept on fluff in a poplar plantation & returned for the email special to bwana hutchison
    Jun 19, 2001 @ 17:28 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
  2934. ongoing search for fantastic or real boundary crosses
    brendan enjoyed your bengal clave maps can you point to the area or exact location of the supposed boundary cross & randy welcome your question was a good one
    Jun 19, 2001 @ 17:51 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
  2935. Re: more fluff but not entirely pointless
    I ll just go. Good bye. BJB ... goose
    Jun 19, 2001 @ 19:58 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  2936. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border tv series... cross your fingers!
    I look forward to hearing more about the project. I ll just share my interest and some ideas. Well for me my interest in borders comes from that very thin line
    Jun 19, 2001 @ 20:52 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2937. Re: [BoundaryPoint] ongoing search for fantastic or real boundary crosses
    Good point. The possible quadpoint is the Patgram salient on the south, green #35 on the north, with Mathabhanga district on the east and west side According
    Jun 20, 2001 @ 01:03 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2938. old English enclaves
    English and Welsh counties and parishes used to be as fragmented as any other European country s. They were exchanged or eliminated in a series of reforms
    Jun 20, 2001 @ 01:51 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
  2939. Cooch Behar map (again)
    As Brendan sent me his original tif-scans, I have put togehter, once again, a complete Cooch Behar map. The quality in the details is slightly better this
    Jun 20, 2001 @ 07:17 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <Mats@...>)
  2940. Treviño troubles
    Last Sunday, the Association of Basque schools of Araba/Álava province, one of the three provinces that make up the Basque Autonomous Community, held its
    Jun 20, 2001 @ 12:52 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2941. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Border tv series... cross your fingers!
    I have heard such a story, but about a village at the Israeli/Lebanese border. (It might be another story.) Jan ... From: Doug Murray
    Jun 20, 2001 @ 13:26 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
  2942. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Adutiskes
    Peter, It might me Kruki, but I cannot confirm it. Attaching a picture file of the 1:130.000 Rytu Lietuvos ežeru labirinto turistinis žemelapis (East
    Jun 20, 2001 @ 13:25 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <Jan@Krogh.com>)
  2943. ZH boundaries - for those that understand Dutch...
    A very nice site about the history of the boundaries of the Dutch province of South Holland (the one I live in) can be found at
    Jun 20, 2001 @ 16:56 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2944. Update on African boundaries-statistics
    Conc. African boundaries: Remember, Gideon Biger and CIA Fact Book didn t agree on the length of the boundary line between Congo - DR Congo. This mystery has
    Jun 20, 2001 @ 18:13 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  2945. New statistics on Asian boundaries!
    Dear fellow b.freaks- a new list - containing statistics on Asian boundaries - has been added to BP s file section - (that s the last one...-enjoy) Peter H.
    Jun 20, 2001 @ 18:15 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  2946. Re: quadpoint RuChMoKa
    ... boundary ... Thank You. ... not, ... ______________________________________________________________________ ... http://www.hotmail.com.
    Jun 20, 2001 @ 19:02 - Randy Finder ("Randy Finder" <naraht@...>)
  2947. NM-OK-TX
    After checking my photos taken in 1990 of the NM-OK-TX marker my conclusion is that it is the same one as shown in David s photo and the one with Jane. So,
    Jun 21, 2001 @ 02:22 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
  2948. NJ-NY-US
    When we set sail May 19 on the QE2 I had hopes of getting close enough to NJ-NY-US to get a picture close to the point. By the time we got out of New York
    Jun 21, 2001 @ 02:22 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
  2949. Really Abitrary Points
    Jack s recent mention of the Greenwich meridian reminded me of an idea I had a while back for another class of points - intersections of important lines of
    Jun 21, 2001 @ 12:24 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  2950. Re: NM-OK-TX
    We really don t know if Mike is on a different frequency. Maybe the scrambled output is confusing us. BJB
    Jun 21, 2001 @ 12:26 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  2951. South Africa
    Deaspite predictions to the contrary, the nice South African map people do take credit cards, and their seamil service takes 2 weeks! enclosed are scans of the
    Jun 21, 2001 @ 12:34 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
  2952. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Really Abitrary Points
    That is indeed an interesting thought Brian! There are already some people active! see: http://www.confluence.org/index.php Btw. In the city of Utrecht (the
    Jun 21, 2001 @ 13:47 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <h.ten.veen@...>)
  2953. Re: Really Abitrary Points
    Interesting about Utrecht time. In the US there was no standardization of time zones until railroad travel made it necessary. Generally each city had its own
    Jun 21, 2001 @ 15:01 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  2954. Re: Really Abitrary Points
    I just checked the Confluence web site at http://www.confluence.org/index.php Wow! That is exactly the idea I was thinking about. The only problem I have
    Jun 21, 2001 @ 15:07 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  2955. various multipointing responses
    tualatin or pronounced twah luh tin mats nice going on the possible boundary cross identifications is there any more info available yet on these jack your
    Jun 22, 2001 @ 00:20 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
  2956. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Border tv series... cross your fingers!
    I will do some checking. Thanks for the input! Doug Murray sounds+images+words Vancouver, BC ... From: Jan Krogh Date: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 06:30:16 AM
    Jun 21, 2001 @ 18:17 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
  2957. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Really Abitrary Points
    I have some meridian links in my favorites collection. Maybe an idea for someone to make an website with all these kind of links ??? The French meridean:
    Jun 21, 2001 @ 19:00 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <h.ten.veen@...>)
  2958. Re: Really Abitrary Points
    Watersheds hav also interested me, especially watershed tri-points. These would be the points where a drop of rain would be split into three droplets destined
    Jun 21, 2001 @ 20:32 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  2959. Re: Really Abitrary Points
    Is anyone familiar with this site: http://terra.geo.orst.edu/users/tfdd/ ? In casu watersheds: http://terra.geo.orst.edu/users/tfdd/register/index.html . Peter
    Jun 21, 2001 @ 21:06 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2960. Another Weird Hobby
    How about this? http://www.geocaching.com/ BJB
    Jun 21, 2001 @ 22:00 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  2961. More Border Pictures
    I have just published a new border picture page on http://www.litauen-nytt.org/jan/borders.htm Jan
    Jun 21, 2001 @ 22:05 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
  2962. RE: [BoundaryPoint] More Border Pictures
    Jan, great pictures!!! Dallen ... From: Jan Krogh [mailto:jakro64@yahoo.no] Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 3:06 PM To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Subject:
    Jun 21, 2001 @ 22:12 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
  2963. Re: NM-OK-TX
    My guess is they buried the Clark Monument right under the spot where it stood. On a recent trip to Delaware and Maryland I discovered that there is an
    Jun 21, 2001 @ 23:41 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  2964. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Another Weird Hobby
    More on Geocaching: http://120seconds.com/index.cfm?movie=483 Doug Murray sounds+images+words Vancouver, BC ... From: bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com Date: Thursday,
    Jun 22, 2001 @ 00:11 - Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline ("Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline" <dmurray@...>)
  2965. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Really Abitrary Points
    I have a 1941 National Geographic map of the Indian Ocean which shown local time zones in each country, not hours or half hour differences form Greenwish, but
    Jun 22, 2001 @ 00:13 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2966. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border tv series... cross your fingers!
    Great ideas... wow. Thanks for the workload! The researching begins. Next step is to find some development money so I can research and pay the bills! Doug
    Jun 22, 2001 @ 00:34 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
  2967. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border tv series... cross your fingers!
    ... This gives me an opportunity to introduce myself as a new member of this fascinating group. I am very much of a beginning border tourist. This might be
    Jun 22, 2001 @ 10:11 - Pepijn Hendriks ("Pepijn Hendriks" <pepijnh@...>)
  2968. gfsr boundary
    Getting back to an old issue, because I found out I have been hideously misinforming you all... The gfsr boundary was always defined as the Marowijne/Maroni
    Jun 22, 2001 @ 11:01 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2969. Re: Border tv series... cross your fingers!
    ... that ... meters or ... the ... driveway. ... Denmark, ... This also gives me an opportunity to introduce myself as a new member! I live in England where I
    Jun 22, 2001 @ 12:42 - David Birch ("David Birch" <dbirch@...>)
  2970. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Border tv series... cross your fingers!
    Welcome David, to BoundaryPoint! Jan Vilnius, Lithuania http://www.litauen-nytt.org/jan/enklaver.htm http://www.litauen-nytt.org/jan/borders.htm
    Jun 22, 2001 @ 15:40 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
  2971. Flintshire exclaves
    David, welcome to BoundaryPoint...it s great to have you here! Could you possibly elaborate on the Flintshire exclaves? Bill
    Jun 22, 2001 @ 16:52 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  2972. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Flintshire exclaves
    Sorry to interfere (again), but I have a nice map that explains the situation. Green is Flintshire, except the part at the bottom of the scan (this is a part
    Jun 22, 2001 @ 19:48 - Peter Smaardijk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Smaardijk?= <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
  2973. Flintshire -2
    I think something went wrong. Attempt #2 at Flintshire Peter S. ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free
    Jun 22, 2001 @ 20:04 - Peter Smaardijk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Smaardijk?= <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
  2974. Re: Really Arbitrary Points
    ... Yes, I have seen the Tropic of Cancer marked on a highway north of San Jose del Cabo (southern Baja California, Mexico). I imagine that it s marked in
    Jun 22, 2001 @ 20:22 - Ross Finlayson (Ross Finlayson <finlayson@...>)
  2975. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Flintshire exclaves
    OK, thanks Peter. I was wondering if the exclaves were on a county level or national level (i.e., Wales/England). That explains it. Bill
    Jun 22, 2001 @ 20:25 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  2976. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Flintshire -2
    What jurisdictions do the larger unlabeled areas depict? Bill
    Jun 22, 2001 @ 20:27 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  2977. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Really Arbitrary Points
    in vermont (usa) the 45th parallel is marked on the interstate highway. just south of the border station. bob beckett hollis, new hampshire ...
    Jun 22, 2001 @ 20:37 - Beckett, Bob ("Beckett, Bob" <Bob.Beckett@...>)
  2978. Re: Flintshire -2
    The England - Wales boundary is the black line that is a bit thicker than the others. In Wales you see: Green - upper left: part of Anglesey Green - centre (3
    Jun 22, 2001 @ 20:47 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2979. Re: Really Arbitrary Points
    It is also marked in Maine. I think I have seen it on Route 1. There is a monument and a plaque that says something about being halfway to the north pole .
    Jun 22, 2001 @ 21:51 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  2980. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Really Arbitrary Points
    I ve also seen it marked on U.S. 1 in the vicinity of Perry, Maine. Bill Hanrahan
    Jun 23, 2001 @ 00:03 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  2981. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Really Arbitrary Points
    And if it wasn t halfway to the North Pole, it wouldn t be the 45th parallel (Northern Hemisphere of course) in the first place. Bill
    Jun 23, 2001 @ 00:18 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  2982. All 5 South African tripoints
    Did anyone get the south african tripoint maps i posted? One message from Michael had a reference to them, but I never got a copy of the mail in my own box.
    Jun 23, 2001 @ 06:45 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  2983. Maps of BeDe encl.area Monschau+Roetgen
    Attached you ll find two maps: Monschau and Roetgen in the very heart of the Be-Ge enclave area - Be. railway line (Vennbahn) runs through these two towns,
    Jun 23, 2001 @ 08:50 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
  2984. HuSk border picture Danube river
    As supplement to Bernd Kueck s nice pictures from the Hu-Sk border towns of Komárno / Sk - Kómarom / Hu there s another picture taken by me in 1992. Taken
    Jun 23, 2001 @ 08:56 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
  2985. Re: [BoundaryPoint] All 5 South African tripoints
    Hi Brendan Yes, we got them. Thanks Jesper ... From: Brendan Whyte To: Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001
    Jun 23, 2001 @ 09:09 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2986. Re: Roetgen-Monschau 2
    Another thing that caught my eye on the Vennbahn scans (1:50k) sent by Brendan: the boundary markers on the normal bede border have a designation that is
    Jun 23, 2001 @ 10:11 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2987. Re: Roetgen-Monschau 2
    ... I forgot to mention another such point; ... the ... runs ... the ... 663 ... There is, of course, another municipal and community boundary across the
    Jun 23, 2001 @ 10:31 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2988. Vennbahn link
    On the history of the Vennbahn: http://www.rinbad.demon.co.uk/be_venn.htm Peter S.
    Jun 23, 2001 @ 12:49 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2989. Roetgen
    Attached the Roetgen Vennbahn part. (From the official Roetgen municipality home page http://www.roetgen.de ) According to this map Roetgen1 + Roetgen2
    Jun 23, 2001 @ 17:10 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@yahoo.no>)
  2990. Re: Roetgen
    The map looks like the same as Peter H. s map he got from Mats. By the way, the Monschau municipal site has a map that looks like to be the same as Peter H. s
    Jun 23, 2001 @ 19:40 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  2991. Enclaves
    This is a question for the enclave capasities we have in our group. Which is the smallest enclave in the world? And if it is not in Europe, which one is the
    Jun 24, 2001 @ 13:47 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2992. Cyprus topomaps
    Brendan, the map expert! How detailed can you get Cyprus maps, and do they show borders? Jesper
    Jun 24, 2001 @ 13:50 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2993. Fw: [BoundaryPoint] Baarle details
    I have problems searching in the archive at Boundary Point (I am the only one?), so I will instead post this map of Brendan, s from Baarle. Spending last week
    Jun 24, 2001 @ 14:01 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
  2994. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Roetgen
    Thanks, Peter, for clearing that question up! I do have the copies of Brendan s excellent maps, but I started to wonder if maybe the border line has been
    Jun 24, 2001 @ 14:50 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
  2995. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Enclaves
    I think it must be one of the Baarle enclaves...? Are they btw already numbered like the Cooch Behars? Jan
    Jun 24, 2001 @ 14:50 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
  2996. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Enclaves
    For me it is difficult to judge without exact scales on my maps, but this enclave between Tommel and Gierlese straat is one of the smallest in Baarle. There is
    Jun 24, 2001 @ 15:04 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@yahoo.no>)
  2997. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Baarle details
    Great map, Jesper! Thanks. Jan
    Jun 24, 2001 @ 15:04 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
  2998. Diomede town
    Just found a picture from Diomede town, Little Diomede (US) in the Bering strait. (Yes, it is populated by nativs inuits and have schools. In winter, people
    Jun 24, 2001 @ 15:32 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@yahoo.no>)
  2999. An Expedia.com Map from Jesper Nielsen
    Message from Jesper Nielsen: I don t visa s are used on the island. Here is the link to your map:
    Jun 24, 2001 @ 16:34 - maps@expedia.com (maps@...)
  3000. Re: Enclaves
    The Loveren one is notoriously small. I have two maps of Baarle- Nassau/Hertog that don t show this one at all, and one that shows it as one that has been
    Jun 24, 2001 @ 21:02 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  3001. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Diomede town
    ... It probably is the only USA/RUS border (that can be crossed on foot!) Altough ...... there are people that crossed the border from Canada to Russia or was
    Jun 24, 2001 @ 21:05 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <h.ten.veen@...>)
  3002. RE: [BoundaryPoint] An Expedia.com Map from Jesper Nielsen
    Thanks, Jesper for the map! It was new for me. Here are some good Diomede links: http://www.bssd.org/Pages/schools/sites/DIO/diomede.htm
    Jun 24, 2001 @ 21:46 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
  3003. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Enclaves
    Thanks for comments, Peter! Attached is an excerpt of the the Military Map of Baarle from 1962 (military.jpg) showing the Loveren one. But according to the
    Jun 24, 2001 @ 22:06 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@yahoo.no>)
  3004. misc
    driftwood library lincoln city or again apparently there is another wave of brendans waves going around judging from a recent report from arif & i think it may
    Jun 24, 2001 @ 22:33 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
  3005. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Enclaves
    Now I am commenting myself ;-) In the archive I found Brendans answer on this... Jan ... Ok, you asked for it. Here are two maps of Baarle village, one with
    Jun 24, 2001 @ 22:46 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
  3006. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Roetgen-Monschau 2
    Monschau station has the word Monschau written on the end of the building itself, while the platform sign, much more recent, and presumably erected by the
    Jun 24, 2001 @ 23:52 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  3007. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Roetgen
    Yes it is. I have seen the original 1:5000 maps from the boundary commission of 1920. There are 5 enclaves (now). Being a torusit map, this one is wrong. At
    Jun 25, 2001 @ 00:15 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  3008. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Enclaves
    Off the top of my head: the Vennbahn can be measured off the scans I posted. One of the maps has a scale on it. As for small enclaves, in India, the smallest
    Jun 25, 2001 @ 00:26 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  3009. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cyprus topomaps
    ! have some 1:10 000 maps, long out of print, and they do not show borders. But they were the maps the border treaty referred to, so it should be possible to
    Jun 25, 2001 @ 00:28 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  3010. Re: Fw: [BoundaryPoint] Baarle details
    The house is the larger building directly below it (north is to the left in this map, so below is west). The two buildings on the boundary are old shed, one
    Jun 25, 2001 @ 00:32 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  3011. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Enclaves
    yes, the treaty (in Belgisch Staatsblad/Moniteur Belge of 26/6/96) numbers them, as do many official maps. H1 to H22 for Belgian ones, N1 to N8 for Dutch.
    Jun 25, 2001 @ 00:36 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  3012. baarle areas
    Number Area (ha) Perimeter (km) # Turning Pts H 1 153.6448 12.911 353* H 2 2.4116 0.655 16* H 3 0.3428 0.295 4 H 4 1.4760 0.727 14 H 5 0.9245 0.535 6 H
    Jun 25, 2001 @ 00:46 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  3013. Vennbahn area and municipal maps
    The smallest (3rd) Vennbahn enclave is 1.65ha, 16500square metres, or equal to a sqaure 130m on a side. It is thus over 10 times larger than the smallest
    Jun 25, 2001 @ 04:11 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
  3014. baarle woodshed
    Attached are 3 photos of the Baarle boundary of H16 that Peter liked. One is the farmhouse with one of the sh3eds visible in the background. It is taken from
    Jun 25, 2001 @ 04:15 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
  3015. Roetgen enclave isthmus
    Attached are three photos of the narrow nech between Roetgen enclaves 1 and 2. They join up if you cut and paste them. I am standing on the railline where it
    Jun 25, 2001 @ 04:19 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  3016. Roetgen enclave isthmus
    Attached are three photos of the narrow nech between Roetgen enclaves 1 and 2. They join up if you cut and paste them. I am standing on the railline where it
    Jun 25, 2001 @ 04:21 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
  3017. Great Hedge of India
    I have just finished reading this book. A fun, easy-to-read account of Moxham s attempts over three years or so to find any re manatso f the hedge in India,
    Jun 25, 2001 @ 04:24 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  3018. Re: Vennbahn area and municipal maps
    So, judging from the 1973 map, the part of the Vennbahn that forms the two Monschau enclaves belongs to Robertville municipality in its entirety. The municipal
    Jun 25, 2001 @ 08:06 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  3019. Steinstücken - DDR counter exclave? (1/1)
    I hope somebody can please answer a question which has been puzzling me for the past 24 years! I still have the 1977 edition of the FalkPlan streetmap of
    Jun 25, 2001 @ 08:28 - dbirch@cix.compulink.co.uk (dbirch@...)
  3020. Re: Steinstücken - DDR counter exclave? (1/1)
    Many apologies that those two map attachments didn t work - I seem to be unable to send attachments to this group. (What do I need to do to allow me to do
    Jun 25, 2001 @ 08:51 - David Birch ("David Birch" <dbirch@...>)
  3021. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Steinstücken - DDR counter exclave? (1/1)
    According to Catudal s book, which has a cadastral map of Steinstucken inside the cover, the boundary before the road was made W.German, was, form the NW of
    Jun 25, 2001 @ 09:10 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  3022. Re: Steinstücken - DDR counter exclave? (1/1)
    So you re saying that the Stahnsdorfer Strasse in between the Teltower Strasse and the Bernhard-Beyer-Strasse was GDR territory, and the jig isn t there. It
    Jun 25, 2001 @ 09:34 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  3023. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Steinstücken - DDR counter e xclave? (1/1)
    David, you *should* be able to attach files via your normal email. Are you posting via the web site or via your direct email? Bill ... From: David Birch
    Jun 25, 2001 @ 08:45 - Jane Hanrahan ("Jane Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  3024. Re: Steinstücken - DDR counter exclave? (1/1)
    ... Are you ... Hi Bill, I tried to send the attachment via direct e-mail, but I think the problem could be that my ISP only allows me to send files using
    Jun 25, 2001 @ 11:00 - David Birch ("David Birch" <dbirch@...>)
  3025. Re: misc
    Mike, sorry to here about the navy van. Is the new one, perhaps, redder? BJB ... navy van as ... trimming ... everyones ice ... rather than ... since fish ...
    Jun 25, 2001 @ 12:08 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  3026. Re: misc
    I hope you were able to nurse the navy van to 307703, asymmetrical tenths notwithstanding. BJB ... navy van as ... trimming ... everyones ice ... rather than
    Jun 25, 2001 @ 12:12 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  3027. Re: Steinstücken - DDR counter exclave? (1/1)
    I just took this book on Steinstuecken by Catudal out of the Leiden University Library. The little map of the enclave is clear. But I wonder whether some other
    Jun 25, 2001 @ 13:56 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  3028. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Steinstücken - DDR counter exclave? (1/1)
    OK, go to the web site and look on the menu on the left side of the screen. To post mail, click on Post (it appears underneath Messages . To post files
    Jun 25, 2001 @ 16:35 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  3029. Baarle Military Map
    Members will be familiar with the Baarle Military Map discussed previously. A good quality scan was also provided some time ago, I believe, though I do not
    Jun 25, 2001 @ 17:38 - Bernhard (Bernhard <tardis@...-net.de>)
  3030. Re: Baarle Military Map
    It looks like a regular 1:25k Belgian topo map to me. Why it is called a military map I don t know. Probably because at the time the National Geographical
    Jun 25, 2001 @ 18:09 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  3031. Berlin exclaves revisited, Bottcherberg
    ... I had the opportunity briefly to visit the Bottcherberg-area just the other week. Here is an excerpt from a cadastral map of Berlin, Stadtplan von Berlin,
    Jun 25, 2001 @ 19:35 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <blofeld_es@...>)
  3032. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Baarle Military Map
    Dear Peter, thank you for the prompt reply. ... I used the designation military map as it is used by others on the Internet. ... If you do go there, perhaps
    Jun 25, 2001 @ 19:48 - Bernhard (Bernhard <tardis@...-net.de>)
  3033. Re: Berlin exclaves revisited, Bottcherberg
    Thanks Mats! These pictures are absolutely stunning! And I must say these enclaves are the silliest ones I ve ever seen. They could be the smallest enclaves
    Jun 25, 2001 @ 19:51 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  3034. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Steinstücken - DDR counter exclave? (1/1)
    The two files were attachet to the mail for sure; they are 368 and 158 kB in size. The real problem is that they are not in the normal jpg-format. gl Harry
    Jun 25, 2001 @ 20:41 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <h.ten.veen@...>)
  3035. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Steinstücken - DDR counter exclave? (1/1)
    Good point...thanks for catching that Harry. Bill
    Jun 25, 2001 @ 20:56 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  3036. our mxus to caus coasting biker advances to lincoln city
    yachats or again & until further notice hey i just got a message that bjbutler unsubscribed i trust it is an error have no regret for old navy tho brian it
    Jun 25, 2001 @ 22:38 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
  3037. Re: [BoundaryPoint] our mxus to caus coasting biker advances to lincoln city
    Holliston, MA I did unsubscribe, but only briefly and only my alter ego was affected. I had created a new me on Hotmail for upcoming road work but got the
    Jun 25, 2001 @ 23:48 - Brian Butler ("Brian Butler" <bjbsoftware@...>)
  3038. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Steinstücken - DDR counter exclave? ( 1/1)
    Here s a picture of a fallen tower near Steinstucken. The last selection on this page: http://www.mindspring.com/~kiernan/wall_scenes.html Doug ... From:
    Jun 26, 2001 @ 00:03 - Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline ("Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline" <dmurray@...>)
  3039. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Steinstücken - DDR counter exclave? (1/1)
    A map of the bochterberg enclaves can be found in Book Angerdorf och exclave , Acta Wexionensia, serie 1:4, 1984. I will endeavour to scan it. And catudal s
    Jun 26, 2001 @ 00:48 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  3040. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Baarle Military Map
    I first saw the map scan three years ago, but I can t remember who sent it to me. I believe the Belgian IGN was the IGM (Militaire, later National) until
    Jun 26, 2001 @ 01:12 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  3041. Re: [BoundaryPoint] our mxus to caus coasting biker advances to lincoln city
    Mike, condolences on old navy, but congrats on the new yacht. Any special paint job in mind? I think Brian re-subscribed with an on the road address tho.
    Jun 26, 2001 @ 01:12 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  3042. Small summer quiz
    Which three countries have three tripoints? Jesper
    Jun 26, 2001 @ 05:32 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  3043. Boundary definition
    How is the term watershed defined in contrary to the term bank/shore? Jesper
    Jun 26, 2001 @ 06:00 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  3044. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Small summer quiz
    Belgium, Italy, Slovenia, Albnia if Montenegro is a separate country, Bosnia if Montenegro isn t, Lithuania. Georgia, Paraguay, Colombia, Pakistan... more than
    Jun 26, 2001 @ 06:00 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  3045. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Small summer quiz
    Perhaps I did! I am looking for triple tripoints, just as there are doubles: ATCHFL, MZSWZA. Jesper ... From: Brendan Whyte To:
    Jun 26, 2001 @ 06:06 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  3046. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Boundary definition
    Shore is the immediate vicinity of the sea (the beach and perhaps some distance inland, the distance being relative. Bank is the vertical or high-gradient wall
    Jun 26, 2001 @ 06:06 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  3047. Mostar in BosniaHercegovina
    Usually borders in Europe are peaceful places, but there are exceptions to the rule: I found this picture of Mostar, the divided city in Bosnia in the Danish
    Jun 26, 2001 @ 08:20 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
  3048. Steinstuecken map in Catudal
    ... and two pictures, one of the border crossing from West Berlin into the GDR, towards Steinstuecken, and another of a Vopo patrol near this border crossing.
    Jun 26, 2001 @ 09:28 - Peter Smaardijk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Smaardijk?= <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
  3049. "Freie Stadt" zwischen Stacheldraht? - 2
    Some more from the said book Peter S. ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at
    Jun 26, 2001 @ 09:35 - Peter Smaardijk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Smaardijk?= <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
  3050. Test - please ignore
    This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose
    Jun 26, 2001 @ 09:35 - David Birch (David Birch <david.birch@...>)
  3051. Re: Steinstücken - DDR counter exclave? (1/1)
    ... 158 kB ... Thanks to Bill and Harry for their help! However I still appear to be unable to post attachments properly - in future I ll just put scans in the
    Jun 26, 2001 @ 09:46 - David Birch ("David Birch" <dbirch@...>)
  3052. In the vicinity of Steinstuecken
    Another very curious part of West Berlin was Albrechts Teerofen. A motorway that for a very short stretch crosses WB territory, re- enters the GDR, and then
    Jun 26, 2001 @ 11:52 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  3053. Re: In the vicinity of Steinstuecken
    ... the ... That leads me nicely to the next map I ve posted to the files area! It s the south-western corner of a 1977 map published by the Berlin Transport
    Jun 26, 2001 @ 13:06 - David Birch ("David Birch" <dbirch@...>)
  3054. Re: In the vicinity of Steinstuecken
    ... attention ... at ... was ... It is not really the middle of nowhere. It is at the edge of the Potsdam city quarter Am Stern. Anyway, I think that the main
    Jun 26, 2001 @ 15:44 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  3055. Re: Baarle Military Map
    ... or how to ... The Belgian maps are 13,50 guilders. The Dutch ones (also 1:25k topo) are 16 guilders. Because both have shortcomings, I thought I d buy them
    Jun 26, 2001 @ 16:00 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  3056. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Mostar in BosniaHercegovina
    I ve thrown up some pics I took in Bosnia in 97... a few from the Bihac pocket down to Sarajevo. (I really need to fix my site). Have a look at:
    Jun 26, 2001 @ 16:27 - Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline ("Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline" <dmurray@...>)
  3057. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Baarle Military Map
    Hello Peter, thank you for the info. The prices sound civil to me. I ll try to get them online. That is, unless I find a decent map shop here in Hannover. All
    Jun 26, 2001 @ 19:54 - Bernhard (Bernhard <tardis@...-net.de>)
  3058. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Baarle Military Map
    Hello Brendan, Thanks for the information. Yes, I recall a message from you some time ago, detailing the maps and their availability. I shall have a look at
    Jun 26, 2001 @ 19:54 - Bernhard (Bernhard <tardis@...-net.de>)
  3059. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Frederiksberg-Copenhagen
    Here is a surround picture of the boundary
    Jun 26, 2001 @ 21:07 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  3060. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Baarle Military Map
    ... also ... regarding ... Keep in mind that those maps 1:10.000 are only available in grey printing. They serve mainly technical purposes. I am not sure, but
    Jun 26, 2001 @ 21:32 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <h.ten.veen@...>)
  3061. Re: Baarle Military Map
    ... be on that ... It is not. The De Withagen enclave is WSW of the village of Ulicoten, and just W of North of the hamlet of Oude Strumpt. If you buy Belgian
    Jun 26, 2001 @ 21:39 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  3062. "Freie Stadt" - 2 A
    One of my pictures refuses to be displayed. I hope I am the only one experiencing this. But perhaps not, so I am reposting it now. It is such a nice one, after
    Jun 26, 2001 @ 21:49 - Peter Smaardijk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Smaardijk?= <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
  3063. Re: [BoundaryPoint] "Freie Stadt" - 2 A
    ... No problems here Peter! Indeed they are nice; both of them! gl Harry ten Veen
    Jun 26, 2001 @ 21:58 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <h.ten.veen@...>)
  3064. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Baarle Military Map
    ... But in the wrong place, and 4x too large! It is not the square of forest it is marked on. On the NE side of what is shown as Withhagen are two rectangular
    Jun 27, 2001 @ 00:59 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  3065. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Baarle Military Map
    ... Exactly the same information as the 1:25 000 maps, but in black and white, not colour, so details such as cultivated fields vs pasture, shown by yellow and
    Jun 27, 2001 @ 01:18 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  3066. Re: Baarle Military Map
    ... fields, one ... withagen, which ... words the ... on the map ... Thank you for that information. The Topografische Dienst should be very ashamed of itself.
    Jun 27, 2001 @ 07:04 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  3067. Upcoming down time
    The Yahoo Groups site (BoundaryPoint s parent site) will be down Thursday, June 28th, from 0300-0500 GMT. During this time, the web site will be unavailable,
    Jun 27, 2001 @ 10:13 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  3068. De Withagen
    I found this little map, that, as far as I can see, depicts the enclave maybe not entirely correctly (it is just a little route description), but a lot better
    Jun 27, 2001 @ 13:42 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  3069. Re: Baarle Military Map
    ... Brendan, I think I already found them. H12 is the tiny northernmost one; H18 is not so tiny and near Gorpeind hamlet. ... S ... on ... By this I meant the
    Jun 27, 2001 @ 14:49 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  3070. just the essentials for now
    to crib from another bill bill i feel & share your congrats so thanxx but why would you condole & for what or whom ahh of course with lord holliston perhaps i
    Jun 28, 2001 @ 01:33 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
  3071. brendan ties all time bp record
    while some of them are still hanging on the current message board i just want to point out that the recent wave of 12 straight consecutive messages in a row by
    Jun 28, 2001 @ 02:32 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
  3072. Re: [BoundaryPoint] just the essentials for now
    ... I have a feeling this is going to be interesting...
    Jun 27, 2001 @ 19:20 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  3073. MXUS: Rio Grande down to a trickle
    Jun 27, 2001 The Once-Mighty Rio Grande Is Just a Pathetic Trickle by the Time It Reaches the Gulf of Mexico By Lynn Brezosky Associated Press Writer BOCA
    Jun 27, 2001 @ 21:06 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  3074. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Baarle Military Map
    ... Those are them. ... Along the Merkske, east to west. H21 isNW of Baarlebrug in the chickenneck , H20 to the west of the Ginhoven road, and H19 to the
    Jun 27, 2001 @ 23:53 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  3075. Dubki
    I have just bought Estonian 1:20 000 map 55.31 Rosna , which features Dubki. It is US$8 fomr the Estonian survey dept. The map leaves Russia almost blank, and
    Jun 28, 2001 @ 03:07 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
  3076. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Dubki
    What happened to boundary marker 528? Do you have the Valga map too? Jesper ... From: Brendan Whyte To:
    Jun 28, 2001 @ 06:06 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  3077. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Dubki
    Only the south eastern boundary is available in 1:20 000 maps. Valga is available in 1:50 000, which are satellite photos maps overlaid with colour. The
    Jun 28, 2001 @ 06:46 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  3078. Re: Dubki
    Concerning Dupki village, I have nothing to add - maybe we have to control this place next year if Peter Hering will organize the trip into the Baltic States.
    Jun 28, 2001 @ 07:43 - andreslb2000@yahoo.co.uk (andreslb2000@...)
  3079. [BIRDWG05] NM-AZ border in Guadalupe Canyon has moved (fwd)
    An interesting boundry message from a birding list. Guadalupe Canyon is at the Mexico - New Mexico - Arizona tri-point and a popular birding spot. Most
    Jun 28, 2001 @ 16:06 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  3080. Re: [BoundaryPoint] [BIRDWG05] NM-AZ border in Guadalupe Canyon has moved (fwd)
    David, maybe you should find a hobby in spotting other animals. What about dogs? May I suggest the Border Colly? ;-) gl Harry ten Veen ... From: David Mark
    Jun 28, 2001 @ 21:17 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <h.ten.veen@...>)
  3081. BoNaZaZi - crumbs only
    Well, what can I tell you? I was close, but got no view of the grail itself. Shooting through on the bus on a tight sched linking the Zambian eclipse and a few
    Jun 28, 2001 @ 22:10 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
  3082. Re: Boundary definition
    ... some ... Reminds me that the southern Cypriot power station enclave has its sea border defined by mean low water, with British territory beyond that.
    Jun 28, 2001 @ 23:18 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
  3083. New Member - What a thrill
    Boundry Folks, What a thrill to find you!! For years I have been fascinated by borders and enclaves. As a kid, I hunted down geopolitical anomalies in the
    Jun 29, 2001 @ 01:41 - SanFrancisco Coins (SanFrancisco Coins <sanfrancoins@...>)
  3084. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New Member - What a thrill
    Jonathan, welcome...you came to the right place! It s always a pleasure to hear from fellow boundary freaks...as you can see, you re not alone! Bill Hanrahan
    Jun 29, 2001 @ 02:04 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  3085. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New Member - What a thrill
    Ok. This is bad news, but my computer is badly stricken by a virus (due to my stupidity, no less), so I can t update my web page nor send anything from the
    Jun 29, 2001 @ 03:17 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  3086. Re: [BoundaryPoint] New Member - What a thrill
    ... Boy, does that one ever hit home! Arif, sorry to hear about your computer woes. Bill
    Jun 29, 2001 @ 11:19 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  3087. Changing URL
    Hello folks, At the same time as updating my homepage, I am moving! You may now find me on http://home.no.net/enklaver/ (Not yet fully completed, but...) Jan
    Jun 29, 2001 @ 13:53 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@...>)
  3088. Re: New Member - What a thrill
    Jonathan: Welcome! You asked about the origins of Baarle. There s a nice little potted history at the following URL:
    Jun 29, 2001 @ 15:56 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
  3089. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Changing URL
    Jan, so noted! I ll change the URL reference on BP. Bill W4/KA1KF
    Jun 29, 2001 @ 18:07 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  3090. Re: New Member - What a thrill
    Grant and Others, Thanks for the welcome and excellent explanation of Baarle. I m sure I ll have more questions for you folks but I ll sit back and just read
    Jun 29, 2001 @ 18:18 - sanfrancoins@yahoo.com (sanfrancoins@...)
  3091. bonazazi
    welcome back & hail grant for these unprecedentedly great advances in our knowledge of this prospective but elusive global maxipoint sincerely m Get your FREE
    Jun 29, 2001 @ 19:36 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
  3092. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Diomede town
    ... From: Harry ten Veen To: Sent: zondag 24 juni 2001 23:05 ... the ... ice ... I have to correct
    Jun 29, 2001 @ 19:47 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <h.ten.veen@...>)
  3093. Lake of the Woods, MN (USA/Canada)
    I ve mention here of Point Roberts on the US/Canada boarder but I aven t seen any mention here of Lake of the Woods, that bit of Minnesota that is only
    Jun 29, 2001 @ 22:05 - sanfrancoins@yahoo.com (sanfrancoins@...)
  3094. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Lake of the Woods, MN (USA/Canada)
    Also, try Dan Jacobson s site for some Lake of the Woods photos (www.geocities.com/jidanni/1994us_can_border.htm). Bill
    Jun 29, 2001 @ 22:25 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  3095. dubki
    A reply from the Estonia survey dept says for post 528, it is correctly located but the control line drawn incorrectly links 527 to 529 without taking in 528.
    Jun 30, 2001 @ 02:54 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  3096. A load of Baarle
    ... 1198 to be exact. A copy of the deed is shown in Breckelmans, 1965, Belgische Enclaves in Nederland , a Dutch book on the history of Baarle. The deed is
    Jun 30, 2001 @ 03:11 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  3097. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Lake of the Woods, MN (USA/Canada)
    Map and info in p136-8 of Stephen B Jones, Boundary-making a handbook for statesmen, treaty editors and boundary commissioners , Carnedige Endowment for
    Jun 30, 2001 @ 03:26 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  3098. Re: [BoundaryPoint] A load of Baarle
    ... Brendan, thank you for that information! I have a book Eerste Poolse Pantserdivisie in Nederland by Thom Peeters. In that book is also a little chapter
    Jun 30, 2001 @ 10:03 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <h.ten.veen@...>)
  3099. The Tagesspiegel on Berlin border anomalies
    Looking for more information on the Böttcherberg exclaves, I stumbled upon an interesting article from the Berlin daily newspaper _Der Tagesspiegel_. It
    Jun 30, 2001 @ 10:20 - Pepijn Hendriks ("Pepijn Hendriks" <pepijnh@...>)
  3100. Kerkrade border pillar
    During my trip to Kerkrade/Herzogenrath two weeks ago, I had a picture taken from me standing at the Kerkrade-sign at the border. Underneath this sign there
    Jun 30, 2001 @ 13:54 - Pepijn Hendriks ("Pepijn Hendriks" <pepijnh@...>)
  3101. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Kerkrade border pillar
    Yes, Pepijn - would be nice seeing the actual photograph taken at the border- usually auxiliary border markers are labelled a, b, c and so on, so it doesn t
    Jun 30, 2001 @ 14:26 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  3102. more maxipointing thoughts
    grant your fresh bonazazi findings & thoughts are still reverberating around the world whether a new global maxipoint will ever actually emerge in that area
    Jun 30, 2001 @ 20:10 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
  3103. Re: more maxipointing thoughts
    Michael: Maybe braiding is the wrong word, conjuring up a myriad separate streams. These are big wide powerful rivers, and what I was seeing was numerous
    Jun 30, 2001 @ 23:35 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
  3104. Re: [BoundaryPoint] more maxipointing thoughts
    Sorry to dissapoint, Michael, but it was a South Africa, Namibia Botswana point. Not Zambia. I used ZA for Zuid Afrika as the two letter abbreviation. I think
    Jul 01, 2001 @ 01:13 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  3105. Poll results for BoundaryPoint
    The following BoundaryPoint poll is now closed. Here are the final results: POLL QUESTION: The group list software provides an option for footers to be
    Jul 01, 2001 @ 07:15 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com (BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com )
  3106. Can you trust Gideon?
    Here are some cites from Gideon Biger s Encyclopedia of International Boundaries: Norway-Sweden: It (the boundary) was never demarcated...
    Jul 01, 2001 @ 07:25 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  3107. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: more maxipointing thoughts
    Thanks Grant, for your refreshing view on these abbreviations - BoNaZaZi sounds great!! Peter H. ... From: Grant Hutchison Date: Sunday, July 01, 2001 01:35:43
    Jul 01, 2001 @ 07:53 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  3108. New boundary term
    Looking through Gideon I have come up with a new term: FoCoBAWFA meaning Former Colonial Boundary Adopted Without Formal Agreement The FocoBAWFAs are very
    Jul 01, 2001 @ 08:48 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  3109. Saturday Headine in Vancouver...
    Imagine my surprise this morning. I suppose I need to learn a new anthem!
    Jul 01, 2001 @ 09:04 - Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline ("Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline" <dmurray@stockphotosonline.com>)
  3110. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Saturday Headine in Vancouver...
    What about us, then?! BoundaryPoint will have to close down. Yankees go home! ;-) Jan ... From: Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline
    Jul 01, 2001 @ 09:57 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@yahoo.no>)
  3111. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Can you trust Gideon?
    Hi Jesper, ... demarcated... There is a bordermarker BE/LU on my website at http://leden.tref.nl/~veenhh/borderland/europa/lx-on.htm gl Harry ten Veen
    Jul 01, 2001 @ 10:18 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <h.ten.veen@...>)
  3112. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Poll results for BoundaryPoint
    The Nays have it. Status quo it is! Bill
    Jul 01, 2001 @ 16:11 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  3113. Re: Saturday Headine in Vancouver...
    Doug, what was the caption directly under the photo? Bill ... anthem!
    Jul 01, 2001 @ 16:22 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  3114. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Saturday Headine in Vancouver...
    On a positive note, it would mean the end of smuggling cheap shoes back to Canada. And less hassles when running down to Seattle to catch a baseball game. Go
    Jul 01, 2001 @ 16:27 - Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline ("Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline" <dmurray@...>)
  3115. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Saturday Headine in Vancouver...
    Bill: It read: Paul Cellucci, the U.S. Ambassador to Canada, meets the press in Ottawa yesterday. While not interested in a European Union style agreement,
    Jul 01, 2001 @ 16:33 - Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline ("Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline" <dmurray@...>)
  3116. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Saturday Headine in Vancouver...
    Thanks Doug...I was wondering if that was Cellucci (former governor of my home state of Massachusetts). Bill
    Jul 01, 2001 @ 16:55 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  3117. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Kerkrade border pillar
    Pepijn, it s indeed an official bordermarker. In this case there are 3 auxiliary bordermarkers between 232 en 233 (232a, 232b and 232c) helping to demarcate
    Jul 01, 2001 @ 21:22 - Eef Berns ("Eef Berns" <eefberns@...>)
  3118. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Kerkrade border pillar
    ... I just had the picture scanned. I have enlarged that part of the picture with the pillar number and put it in the upper righthand corner. The building I ve
    Jul 01, 2001 @ 21:43 - Pepijn Hendriks ("Pepijn Hendriks" <pepijnh@bigfoot.com>)
  3119. Re: more maxipointing thoughts
    I too think the best would be to use the ISO codes. But in order to be both as brief and as unequivocally correct as possible, ISO-2 would be preferable, I
    Jul 02, 2001 @ 09:12 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  3120. Re: Kerkrade border pillar
    I have a map of the area: a (rather old) 1:25000 topo map (sheet 69E Heerlen), published in 1989. I ll post a scan of the area right away. But it looks like
    Jul 02, 2001 @ 09:33 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  3121. Scan Kerkrade
    This is the scan. 232A seems to be just a shade north of 232 proper. The small road leading off Nieuwstraat in a northernly direction into the Netherlands is
    Jul 02, 2001 @ 09:40 - Peter Smaardijk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Smaardijk?= <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
  3122. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Kerkrade border pillar
    Peter Smaardijk wrote: Thanks for the scan. ... I guess they did. Schlimm, schlimm. ;-) ... Okay, here s my reconstruction, largely
    Jul 02, 2001 @ 11:31 - Pepijn Hendriks ("Pepijn Hendriks" <pepijnh@...>)
  3123. Re: Kerkrade border pillar
    Judging from the map, the border runs along the southern edge of Nieuwstraat (the part between the bifurcation and bdy. marker 232). So the houses on the south
    Jul 02, 2001 @ 12:11 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  3124. Re: Equator road sign position accuracy
    Newsgroups: sci.geo.satellite-nav,sci.engr.surveying,misc.transport.road,sci.astro,rec.travel.misc ... Neville Hi Morton Neville We have a similar mark here
    Jul 02, 2001 @ 15:48 - Dan Jacobson (Dan Jacobson <jidanni@...>)
  3125. RE: [BoundaryPoint] BoNaZaZi - crumbs only
    According to this map I found some time ago on the net, it should be about 2,4 km from Zimbabwe to Namibia (measured on the screen). I also found some map
    Jul 03, 2001 @ 09:53 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@yahoo.no>)
  3126. borderpictureNoSefrom1965
    Attached you ll find a picture of mine that I found in an old album - it shows BP member Peter H. 36 years ago on the Swedish side of the boundary bridge
    Jul 03, 2001 @ 19:36 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
  3127. once more - this time jpg-file - sorry!
    Sorry ! Pete
    Jul 03, 2001 @ 19:46 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
  3128. misc
    welcome back dan now would you please return the strangeness that was mysteriously shanghaied from our main page to taiwan the first time you quoted it notice
    Jul 03, 2001 @ 19:57 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
  3129. Estonian-Latvian border
    Nice summer to everybody! Today I have noticed a picture about Estonian-Latvian border in a newspaper Eesti Ekspress . It is in the internet site:
    Jul 05, 2001 @ 08:16 - andreslb2000@yahoo.co.uk (andreslb2000@...)
  3130. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Estonian-Latvian border
    Most interesting picture, Andres - thank you! Would you be able to tell the exact location of that bordermarker?? - looks like Valga/Valka to me...! All the
    Jul 05, 2001 @ 14:08 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  3131. UNEP
    It is quit in BP. Everybody on holliday? http://gridg.grid.unep.ch/datasets/gnv-data.html click on Boundaries I found this link recently but I could not spend
    Jul 05, 2001 @ 21:24 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <h.ten.veen@...>)
  3132. Yahoo! News Story - Associated Press Photo
    Doug Murray (doug@dougmurrayproductions.com) has sent you a news article Personal message: A border shot! Associated Press Photo
    Jul 06, 2001 @ 00:41 - Yahoo! News (Yahoo! News <refertofriend@...>)
  3133. Yahoo! News Story - Associated Press Photo
    Doug (dmurray@dougmurrayproductions.com) has sent you a news article Personal message: Associated Press Photo
    Jul 06, 2001 @ 00:42 - Yahoo! News (Yahoo! News <refertofriend@...>)
  3134. Yahoo! News Story - Associated Press Photo
    Doug (dmurray@dougmurrayproductions.com) has sent you a news article Personal message: How would this change the marking of the border? Associated Press Photo
    Jul 06, 2001 @ 00:43 - Yahoo! News (Yahoo! News <refertofriend@...>)
  3135. Crossborder cooperation
    Dear friends, Hereby, I am very pleased to communicate to you the address of a web site dedicated to CROSSBORDER COOPERATION (information, literature, links
    Jul 06, 2001 @ 07:08 - Xavier.Munyoz@terrassa.org (Xavier.Munyoz@...)
  3136. Bring out the picknick stuff!
    Last weekend I made a little trip to the south (south of the Netherlands, that is, and more precisely the Ardennes and Eifel regions). With me I took my little
    Jul 06, 2001 @ 09:48 - Peter Smaardijk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Smaardijk?= <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
  3137. Spanish enclave in France
    Hello fhoiberg! You have to add in your http://members.aol.com/marismits/geography.htm, another enclave in the french-spanish border region at the Pyrennees:
    Jul 06, 2001 @ 10:43 - Xavier Munyoz Torrent (Xavier Munyoz Torrent <Xavier.Munyoz@...>)
  3138. Dry and wet parts of delu
    The second series of three starts with the border crossing between Roth an der Our (D) and Vianden (L). The boundary marker next to the Luxembourg shield is
    Jul 06, 2001 @ 10:47 - Peter Smaardijk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Smaardijk?= <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
  3139. delu bridges
    The first picture is of the Alfred-Toepfer-Bruecke at Weilerbach across the Sauer. The boundary marker you see is the German one of the no. 15 boundary marker
    Jul 06, 2001 @ 11:21 - Peter Smaardijk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Smaardijk?= <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
  3140. Tourist info on both sides of the border
    These pictures are from the bridge between Keppeshausen (D) and Stolzembourg (L) across the Our. On the German bridgehead, there is a little building, that
    Jul 06, 2001 @ 11:56 - Peter Smaardijk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Smaardijk?= <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
  3141. bedelu question marks
    This is the bedelu tripoint. Not really a tripoint, because in this area Belgium, Germany, Luxemburg, and the Luxembourgo-German condominium meet. I still
    Jul 06, 2001 @ 12:40 - Peter Smaardijk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Smaardijk?= <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
  3142. RE: [BoundaryPoint] bedelu question marks
    Peter,   I am thrilled by your condominium pictures. Thanks for sharing them and the information to go with them.   I have some questions to you and others:
    Jul 06, 2001 @ 13:05 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <blofeld_es@...>)
  3143. Rueckschlag and Fringshaus
    These three are the last for now. The first two pictures concern the smallest of the Vennbahn exclaves, the one called Rueckschlag, near Entenpfuhl. The first
    Jul 06, 2001 @ 13:25 - Peter Smaardijk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Smaardijk?= <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
  3144. Re: Tourist info on both sides of the border
    ... I didn t realise it when I was there, but I just found out that Keppeshausen was the smallest municipality of Federal Germany in 1982, when it had just six
    Jul 06, 2001 @ 13:50 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  3145. Re: bedelu question marks
    Peter H. s site also contains some pictures of the tripoint, when the vegetation at this place was somewhat less. See
    Jul 06, 2001 @ 16:48 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  3146. Hemmeres picnic tabel - Peter S! grats!
    Hello Peter S., I was so happy finding your pictures from the German hamlet Hemmeres - I ve been trying to get the relevant info on their location from the
    Jul 06, 2001 @ 19:24 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  3147. Re: BoNaZaZi - crumbs only
    My mail keeps disappearing. Belatedly - this dry-land boundary between Botswana and Zambia on Jan s map is one I ve seen before, in DeLorme s Global Explorer.
    Jul 07, 2001 @ 00:33 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
  3148. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: BoNaZaZi - crumbs only
    I have no problems to see Grant s objections. Some of us should take contact with some locals in this area. During my search I found several jungle holiday
    Jul 07, 2001 @ 14:10 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <Jan@...>)
  3149. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Really Arbitrary Points
    The Tropic of Cancer is also marked on a main highway south of Brownsville /Matamoros (TX/MX) on the way toward Tampico, at least it was in 1977. The Tropic of
    Jul 07, 2001 @ 17:33 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  3150. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Really Arbitrary Points
    Technically, of course, the 45th parallel is not precisely half way between the equator and the pole. It would be if the earth were a sphere. But since the
    Jul 07, 2001 @ 17:43 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  3151. bedelu triline etc
    nice going peter & continued good luck pinning down the last of the 6 delu condo tripoints i think you must have nailed both vianden tripoints cold & it looks
    Jul 08, 2001 @ 01:37 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
  3152. Re: Really Arbitrary Points
    David, how do you define vertical ? Surely not gravitationally because variations in rock density, elevation, and even geometrical latitude would produce
    Jul 07, 2001 @ 20:59 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  3153. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Really Arbitrary Points
    You may be right, vertical may be defined by an ellipsoid approximating the geoid. I am sticking to my point that the degree of latitude varies systematically,
    Jul 07, 2001 @ 21:24 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  3154. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Small summer quiz
    Are you looking for a set of three countries such that they share three separate tri points? For US states, the answer would be KYMOTN: Mississippi River
    Jul 07, 2001 @ 22:32 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  3155. Re: Really Arbitrary Points
    Agreed. BJB ... approximating ... varies ... defined ... geometrical ... within ... earth s ... way ... were a ... but ... solid ... plane ... angle ...
    Jul 08, 2001 @ 01:03 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  3156. You'd be livid if you knew what you're being charged.
    Don t bend over and back into their bank vault anymore! Pay ONLY 4.9 cents per minute! With service as good or better than you re getting now...Guaranteed!
    Jul 08, 2001 @ 13:05 - LowestRates@hotmail.com (LowestRates@...)
  3157. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: bedelu question marks
    Peter Great photos. Are there anyway we can check out wether Our is a condominium. It would be nice to know before we are there at GCEBE. Is there any chance
    Jul 08, 2001 @ 14:35 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  3158. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Small summer quiz
    Well, the triple tripoints are: Armenia-Azerbaijan-Iran Jesper ... From: David Mark To: Sent:
    Jul 08, 2001 @ 14:40 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  3159. Re: [BoundaryPoint] All 5 South African tripoints
    Hi Brendan They are great maps, but studying them I feel a bit turned off. I don t see a single marked tp. Perhaps ZaNaBo, but it s hard to read anything from
    Jul 08, 2001 @ 15:24 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  3160. Re: Small summer quiz
    The two tp s amazir i can see on a map, but not the third one. Remember Nakhichevan is linked to Turkey by a small corridor. Peter S. ... three ... ATCHFL,
    Jul 08, 2001 @ 17:45 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  3161. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Small summer quiz
    You are right. I belive Gidoen is here talking of three triponts. Can anyody verify. Jesper ... From: Peter Smaardijk To:
    Jul 08, 2001 @ 17:51 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  3162. Re: Hemmeres picnic tabel - Peter S! grats!
    No, it s not hard to find, and easily reachable from bedelu. This is how you drive: From bedelu, go to Ouren, continue all the way to Weweler (sometimes
    Jul 08, 2001 @ 17:56 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  3163. Re: bedelu triline etc
    I didn t really find the Vianden tripoints. As for the southern one, this probably is boundary marker no. 19, on the east bank of the Our. And the northern one
    Jul 08, 2001 @ 18:01 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  3164. Re: Small summer quiz
    I can also only think of a national one: the exclave of the Côte-d Or departement in France (village of Ménessaire) causes the departements Côte-d Or,
    Jul 08, 2001 @ 18:10 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  3165. Re: bedelu question marks
    The Our is indeed a condominium, judging by the little border shields on the bridges there (Stolzembourg/Keppeshausen). At least for the delu part. As for bede
    Jul 08, 2001 @ 18:16 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  3166. The az-tr corridor
    Just to remind you, I took this little map from the Encarta World Atlas and added some names (the enclave is Kyarki). Peter S.
    Jul 08, 2001 @ 18:21 - Peter Smaardijk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Smaardijk?= <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
  3167. Crossborder Cooperation - New Yahoo!Group
    Dear friends, This is to invite to you to take part in the new Yahoo! Messages group (just created) on CROSSBORDER COOPERATION, a free, esasy-to- use, digital
    Jul 08, 2001 @ 18:49 - Xavier.Munyoz@terrassa.org (Xavier.Munyoz@...)
  3168. DELU
    According to Wolfgang map in message http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/1170 a delu condominium starts at the defrlu triline heading north on
    Jul 08, 2001 @ 19:55 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  3169. delu condo
    jesper it is my guess that there are actually 2 delu condo areas one running north from defrlu almost up to vianden & the other running north from just above
    Jul 08, 2001 @ 20:28 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
  3170. Re: delu condo
    I just had yet another look at Wolfgang s documents, and it is clear from those that: 1. At the time of the fixing of the boundary, there _was_ no condominium.
    Jul 08, 2001 @ 20:55 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  3171. Great site for boundary and mapaholics
    http://www.uni-mainz.de/FB/Geo/Geologie/GeoSurv.html
    Jul 08, 2001 @ 21:04 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  3172. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Small summer quiz
    I only see two. One in the SW of Azerbaijan proper, one in the SE of Nakhichevan fragment. At the other end of Nakhichevan, Iran links to turkey and then to
    Jul 09, 2001 @ 00:30 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  3173. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: delu condo
    According to the Naval Intelligence Handbook for Luxemburg, Sept 1944, at Vianden the German frontier ceases to follow the left bank of the Our . Which
    Jul 09, 2001 @ 01:03 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  3174. Berlin Wall photo site
    Being new to this group I m not sure if this site (which has several hundred photos of the Wall) has been mentioned before, but I ll post the address anyway:
    Jul 09, 2001 @ 08:11 - David Birch ("David Birch" <dbirch@...>)
  3175. Re: Berlin Wall photo site
    Not to my knowledge. It s really a beautiful site. Thanks for mentioning it. I knew there were not only borders signs in German, English, French and/or
    Jul 09, 2001 @ 08:36 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  3176. Another source
    ... of a river. This time the Moselle (the one of condominium fame). The first picture at this website is the source of this river. Together with the end of
    Jul 09, 2001 @ 18:28 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  3177. Namibia-Botswana
    Just want to let you know there is a great map of the Namibia-Botswana border at
    Jul 09, 2001 @ 19:36 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  3178. Cameroon/Central African Rep. border - expert advice needed!
    Border folk, I need any help you can offer. I m looking for detail on the border between Cameroon and the Central African Republic. Biger describes this as
    Jul 09, 2001 @ 19:39 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
  3179. a few more stray bonazazi bwnazmzw bcwazazi thoughts
    unconvinced by those maps that show bwnazm fully formed & on the left bank of the zambezi yet & lacking any maps as credible as brownlies & still wanting
    Jul 10, 2001 @ 05:03 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
  3180. S.Africa & Lux
    Rechecked the S.Africa maps. Of its five tripoints, only ZaNaBo has a monument on it. Three others are in rivers, so do not, although Crooks Corner for
    Jul 10, 2001 @ 00:16 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  3181. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cameroon/Central African Rep. border - expert advice needed!
    Brownlie is your man for African boundaries. Check out his book in your local university library. BW ...
    Jul 10, 2001 @ 00:18 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  3182. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Berlin Wall photo site
    If you search under Zehlendorf, you can see some pictures with the caption Bottcheborg exclave or the like. Can anybody draw a boundary there. Arif ...
    Jul 10, 2001 @ 04:58 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  3183. Re: Berlin Wall photo site
    What is meant is a GDR exclave. The word exclave is used wrongfully here. The picture showes the road to the exclave , so it can be compared to the
    Jul 10, 2001 @ 08:21 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  3184. Re: S.Africa & Lux
    ... northern end ... an island ... suspect so ... exactly in ... There is a boundary marker in Schengen, on the west bank of the Moselle, at the point where
    Jul 10, 2001 @ 08:35 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  3185. Another Am Boettcherberg picture
    ... so not of the exclaves, to be sure. My guess is we re looking south (towards the Wannseestrasse), and the GDR pene-exclave is to our left.
    Jul 10, 2001 @ 09:28 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  3186. The last picture was from this nice site
    http://www.kupfernagel.de/ Peter S.
    Jul 10, 2001 @ 09:33 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  3187. Spam messages
    As you know, it has always been BoundaryPoint s intent to keep membership and posting privileges as open as possible. Within the past month or so however, two
    Jul 10, 2001 @ 13:01 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  3188. Boundary Markers for Washington DC
    The Washington Post today (7/10/01) had a long article on the boundary markers for Washington DC that were placed at the time of George Washington, one per
    Jul 10, 2001 @ 17:33 - Randy Finder ("Randy Finder" <naraht@...>)
  3189. Significant Boundary disputes
    I m looking for *significant* boundary disputes in the world right now. This being roughly defined as where more than 5% of what one country claims as its area
    Jul 10, 2001 @ 18:13 - Randy Finder ("Randy Finder" <naraht@...>)
  3190. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Significant Boundary disputes
    Hello Randy, The obvious cases I could think of off the top of my head are: Venezuela claiming a large slice of Guyana Irland have just withdrawn their claim
    Jul 10, 2001 @ 18:25 - Bernhard (Bernhard <tardis@...-net.de>)
  3191. Re: Boundary Markers for Washington DC
    Following is a URL for the story that Randy mentions: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A37940-2001Jul9.html Nice one...thanks Randy! Bill
    Jul 10, 2001 @ 20:30 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  3192. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Spam messages
    Bill, thank you for your spam protection! but .... A few minutes ago a mail of mine was rejected, because the email address used to send the message was not
    Jul 10, 2001 @ 20:57 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
  3193. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Significant Boundary disputes
    What about Kashmir (India/Pakistan); Certainly not 5%: and recently abandoned Panama Canal Zone. Malvinas/Falkland (Argentina/UK) [I think South Georgia was/is
    Jul 10, 2001 @ 20:59 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
  3194. more thinking about trilines & the quadriarea etc
    trilines are of course not monolithic like tripoints but are actually of dipolar constitution like a stick with 2 ends their terminal points have different
    Jul 10, 2001 @ 21:28 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
  3195. Re: more thinking about trilines &c/Significant Boundary disputes
    ... wrote: the trick & real test of the power of everyones land will come in defrocking the exclusively divine rights of kings scam that still underlies
    Jul 10, 2001 @ 21:50 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  3196. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Spam messages
    Thank you Harry...that s just the kind of feedback I was looking for. Please keep me advised if you continue to have bounced emails. A possible alternative
    Jul 11, 2001 @ 00:11 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  3197. Hard and Soft Bounces (was Re: Spam messages)
    Here s what Yahoo!Groups has to say about bouncing messages: What is the difference between hard bounce and soft bounce ? Yahoo! Groups organizes bounces
    Jul 11, 2001 @ 00:21 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  3198. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Spam messages
    For clarification, spam and bounced emails are of course, two separate issues. When I refer to moderating posts as a last resort, it would be for the
    Jul 11, 2001 @ 00:25 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  3199. Re: Spam messages
    I think spam goes with the territory. I suggest we just ignore it. It will probably stay at a tolerable level. If we really want to escape, we should start a
    Jul 11, 2001 @ 02:00 - bjbutler@bjbsoftware.com (bjbutler@...)
  3200. Re: more thinking about trilines &c/Significant Boundary disputes
    ... There are only ~44 signatories to the Antarctic Treaty, of whom ~27 maintain bases in the Antarctic. I suspect places like the Central African Republic
    Jul 11, 2001 @ 16:24 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
  3201. Tp-story India-Bagladesh-Myanmar
    http://www.tehelka.com/investigation/previous/in102400armsbazaar1.htm
    Jul 11, 2001 @ 21:38 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  3202. Re: [BoundaryPoint] brgyve
    Another angle: http://www.guyanaca.com/shape_guyana.html Jesper ... From: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 04,
    Jul 11, 2001 @ 21:50 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  3203. Re: Parisian enclave?
    I heard about this one as well, that the City of Paris owned the source of the Seine River. Apparently Baron Hausmann, who re-built Paris in the 19th century,
    Jul 11, 2001 @ 23:27 - sanfrancoins@yahoo.com (sanfrancoins@...)
  3204. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Parisian enclave?
    If you look at administrative maps of China, the cities there often have enclaves way out in the country, because that is the site of a coal mine or other
    Jul 12, 2001 @ 01:25 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  3205. RE: Significant Boundary disputes
    I am not sure that the significance of a dispute is necessarily related to the size of the area at stake. For example, I would say that the Eritrea-Ethiopia
    Jul 12, 2001 @ 11:40 - Martin Pratt ("Martin Pratt" <m.a.pratt@...>)
  3206. DELU condo input
    I asked the Landesvermessungsamt of Rheinland-Pfalz about the delu condominium. Below is the answer I received. Mats ... The Landesamt für Vermessung und
    Jul 12, 2001 @ 18:17 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <blofeld_es@...>)
  3207. Luxembourg's borders - the truth
    I have been in contact with the Luxembourg survey office and they are tellig me: * all the rivers wich define the boundaries beetween Luxembourg and Germany
    Jul 12, 2001 @ 18:22 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
  3208. Live Cams at the US-Canada Border
    Just discovered a couple of live web cameras pointing north to the US-Canada border (WA-BC). Have a peek here:
    Jul 12, 2001 @ 18:24 - Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline ("Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline" <dmurray@...>)
  3209. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: London underground and Russian pene-enclave
    Peter A bid late, but here are scanned maps of the local border in NW London Jesper ... From: Peter Smaardijk To:
    Jul 12, 2001 @ 18:50 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
  3210. Greenland's continental shelf
    In an article the Danish newspaper Politiken published early this month, Denmark wants to do continental shelf survey in 2003. They want to claim the North
    Jul 12, 2001 @ 19:06 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  3211. neutraal moresnet en Baarle Nassau/Hertog
    Hallo, Wie kan mij meer vertellen over het vierlandenpunt Nederland-Belgie- Duitsland en Neutraal Moresnet. Ik weet veel over de enclaves van Baarle
    Jul 12, 2001 @ 19:23 - leovandenend@hetnet.nl (leovandenend@...)
  3212. Re: [BoundaryPoint] neutraal moresnet en Baarle Nassau/Hertog
    Dag Leo, Er is een hele goede site over Neutraal Moresnet: http://home.hccnet.nl/c.damen/ daar vind je vast veel antwoord op je vragen! Before posting to much
    Jul 12, 2001 @ 21:06 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
  3213. [No Subject]
    I just came across some interesting papers relating to borders and their issues. Lots of summer reading here! http://www.indepsocres.spb.ru/7e.htm Doug Murray
    Jul 12, 2001 @ 22:16 - Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline ("Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline" <dmurray@...>)
  3214. Yahoo! Canada Maps and Driving Directions
    Doug Murray (dmurray@stockphotosonline.com) has sent you a Yahoo! Canada Map Personal message: I just got this map as directions to a party this weekend. I ll
    Jul 12, 2001 @ 23:16 - Yahoo! Canada Maps (Yahoo! Canada Maps <dmurray@...>)
  3215. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Yahoo! Canada Maps and Driving Directions
    Don t forget to tell us about the party...! Bill ... Don t forget to tell us about the party...! Bill At 07:16 PM 7/12/01, you wrote: Doug Murray
    Jul 13, 2001 @ 00:53 - Bill Hanrahan (Bill Hanrahan <hanrahan@...>)
  3216. the real nmoktx
    i finally had time to scan this, here is the real nmoktx according to jane Love, Jane
    Jul 13, 2001 @ 02:24 - jane capellaro (jane capellaro <j@discovernet.net>)
  3217. Re: [BoundaryPoint] the real nmoktx
    Which way is the vehicle headed? If it s heading west then it is the same marker shown in my book, and it is the spot marked on the topo map. Jack ... From:
    Jul 13, 2001 @ 02:59 - Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
  3218. Re: [BoundaryPoint] the real nmoktx
    Jane, any idea when this photo was taken? When I went there March 31 1997, there was a witness post with a metal sign right next to what I am 99.9% certain
    Jul 13, 2001 @ 14:26 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  3219. Another high seas enclave
    Attached is another map generated from GTOPO30, with some additional islands inserted by hand. It shows what I ve previously called the North Fiji Basin
    Jul 13, 2001 @ 21:29 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@cs.com)
  3220. Re: last reply
    This is my second and last e-mail to this group, the truck was headed west, I don t know much more than that and will not answer any more questions, I am just
    Jul 14, 2001 @ 10:39 - j@discovernet.net (j@...)
  3221. Luxembourg border sum up
    Luxembourg is bordering three countries: Belgium (be), Germany (de), France (fr) - delu is a wet condominium except where the border becomes dry at the detour
    Jul 14, 2001 @ 18:15 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  3222. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Luxembourg border sum up
    ... What about fr frsp sp (x2) at Ile de la Conference? Mats
    Jul 14, 2001 @ 18:23 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <blofeld_es@...>)
  3223. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Luxembourg border sum up
    Offcourse! Do we have any good maps of the southern binational tp at Vianden? Jesper ... From: Mats Hessman To:
    Jul 14, 2001 @ 18:26 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  3224. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Greenland's continental shelf
    Here is the map. ... From: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen To: Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 9:06 PM Subject:
    Jul 14, 2001 @ 21:53 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
  3225. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Luxembourg border sum up
    Not yet, but they ll arrive in Denmark soon, I hope - just asked for detailed maps on the Vianden area in Lux. - have a nice Sunday everybody... Pete ... From:
    Jul 15, 2001 @ 08:34 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  3226. something else - for a change!
    No folks, this is no boundary marker, but something that must be regarded being close by = family: a trigonometric point on the Greek island of Naxos on the
    Jul 15, 2001 @ 09:10 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  3227. Great Jungholzmap
    I got this very accurate map of the Jungholz area around Sorgschrofen mountain from Mats - thank you Mats! Scale must be something like 1:5.000! Notice that
    Jul 15, 2001 @ 15:34 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
  3228. here's the attachment - sorry!

    Jul 15, 2001 @ 09:11 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@mail.tele.dk>)
  3229. another miscellany but best i can for now
    nice going jc david look in this new nmoktx picture again & i am 99 percent sure you will see the sign you are seeking between jc & the navy van & okayyy
    Jul 16, 2001 @ 04:45 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
  3230. Re: [BoundaryPoint] another miscellany but best i can for now
    ... But if the cement post with the benchmark did not move between 1997 and 2001, then the witness post metal sign moved about 2-3 meters north and rotated
    Jul 15, 2001 @ 22:03 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  3231. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Great Jungholzmap
    Can Matts or Peter please give me/us full details of the map? I presume it is a Bavarian 1:5,000 map? sheet number/name? BW ...
    Jul 15, 2001 @ 23:37 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  3232. Re: more thinking about trilines &c/Significant Boundary disputes
    ... Until it turns out that it might give them a voice in some international conference, where they can use it to obtain something which is completely
    Jul 16, 2001 @ 10:29 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  3233. Re: brgyve
    Just bear in mind that this guyanaca site might be a bit biassed... I ve seen other ones at guyanaca that definitely were. To be sure, I haven t seen anything
    Jul 16, 2001 @ 10:32 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  3234. Re: Parisian enclave?
    In Spain, some municipalities that are in a valley, also have parts high up in the mountains, sometimes very far from the village. This probably is because the
    Jul 16, 2001 @ 10:35 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  3235. Re: Luxembourg's borders - the truth
    Great! This was bound to be the most likely outcome, but now that it s confirmed, I won t have to lie awake anymore at night ;-) Does anyone know when the
    Jul 16, 2001 @ 10:39 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  3236. Re: London underground and Russian pene-enclave
    Thanks. I see what you mean. No such boundary fun on my map, though. So maybe the boundary was rectified after your map was published, or my map is wrong.
    Jul 16, 2001 @ 10:41 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  3237. Re: [BoundaryPoint] another miscellany but best i can for now
    ... 90 percent sure i dont remember which of the several near misses this was but why do you care m Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at
    Jul 16, 2001 @ 18:12 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
  3238. Fwd: Changes of Internal Boundaries
    Can anyone help this man? ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at
    Jul 17, 2001 @ 01:16 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  3239. Fwd: Re: Changes of Internal Boundaries
    ... Anyone seen this book? Any good? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail
    Jul 17, 2001 @ 01:17 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  3240. Steinstuecken and the ghost counter enclave
    I am still wondering about the Steinstücken possible counter-enclave question. A couple of days ago, I was in Berlin, and I visited Steinstücken. I have
    Jul 17, 2001 @ 12:56 - Peter Smaardijk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Smaardijk?= <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
  3241. Fwd: Re: Changes of Internal Boundaries
    I haven t seen it, but take a look at this man s home page: http://www.mindspring.com/~gwil/ Peter S. ... Administrative ...
    Jul 17, 2001 @ 13:08 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  3242. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Great Jungholzmap
    Hello Brendan, here s the info I got from Mats: map no.: SW 28-37.15 part of Bayerische Flurkarte ... a good link might be: www.geodaten.bayern.de regards
    Jul 17, 2001 @ 19:56 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  3243. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
    Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File :
    Jul 18, 2001 @ 16:35 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com ( <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>)
  3244. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
    Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File : /delu.htm
    Jul 18, 2001 @ 17:32 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com ( <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>)
  3245. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
    Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File :
    Jul 18, 2001 @ 17:50 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com ( <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>)
  3246. New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
    Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the BoundaryPoint group. File :
    Jul 18, 2001 @ 18:38 - BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com ( <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>)
  3247. delu maps
    3 maps of delu scanned and uploaded to files section on BoundaryPoint. Please note that just south of bedelu is a condominium island. There is also one NE of
    Jul 18, 2001 @ 19:04 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  3248. Re: Steinstuecken and the ghost counter enclave
    I d be interested to know how maintenance work was carried out on the railway line which ran through Steinstücken. Was the short section through West Berlin
    Jul 18, 2001 @ 20:06 - David Birch ("David Birch" <dbirch@...>)
  3249. Re: [BoundaryPoint] delu maps
    I can t get it working Jesper. What could I do wrong? gl Harry ten Veen ... From: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen To:
    Jul 18, 2001 @ 21:29 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
  3250. Re: [BoundaryPoint] delu maps
    Harry, Go here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/files look for bedelu.jpg, defrlu.jpg and dedelulu.jpg Jesper ... From: Harry ten Veen To:
    Jul 18, 2001 @ 21:53 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  3251. Map wanted
    I don t know if we have seen this island before or not, but I think I found another small divided island on Norwegian border. This island is near the tripoint
    Jul 18, 2001 @ 22:54 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  3252. Re: [BoundaryPoint] another miscellany but best i can for now
    Well, if there really are two (or more) near-identical, 3-foot-tall, metal-jacketed concrete posts with benchmarks on top in the general area of NMOKTX, then I
    Jul 19, 2001 @ 02:41 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  3253. Re: [BoundaryPoint] another miscellany but best i can for now
    thank you i feel better then i am 80 percent sure the earlier pic posted was of the pseudonmoktx wholly within new mexico as distinct from the several other
    Jul 19, 2001 @ 03:46 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
  3254. Fwd: Border dispute (Cameroon/CAR)
    Someone asked about the Maeroon/CAR border. So I asked a Cameroonian friend. Who passed on this recent news item. As far as he knows, the colonial boundaries,
    Jul 19, 2001 @ 04:51 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  3255. Tourism in Dahagram-Angarpota enclave
    The following tour was advertised on a AAA website: http://www.aaa.com.au/server/guestbook/server.cgi?tmpl=tourism BANGLADESH IS REALLY BEAUTIFUL TOURIST PLACE
    Jul 19, 2001 @ 06:07 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  3256. Re: New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
    It strikes me that the border between lu and delu between the no. 47 boundary marker pair is not straight, but bent! Does it mean that the borders leave the
    Jul 19, 2001 @ 08:51 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  3257. Re: Steinstuecken and the ghost counter enclave
    ... the ... East ... from ... No. The workers came from East Germany. This was not only the case in Steinstuecken, but also in West Berlin proper. Although the
    Jul 19, 2001 @ 09:10 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  3258. Bdy. markers 12 and 13 on noru
    Answer to msg. 3266 of Arif Peter S. ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at
    Jul 19, 2001 @ 10:23 - Peter Smaardijk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Smaardijk?= <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
  3259. DELU condo origins
    Friends, I have procured a copy of the Grenzvermessung Deutschland-Luxemburg from the Landesvermessungsamt of Rheinland-Pfalz. I don t know if this is old
    Jul 19, 2001 @ 13:49 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <blofeld_es@...>)
  3260. Re: DELU condo origins
    This comes as a surprise to me, because acc. to a document posted by Wolfgang some time ago (msg. 2175), the Emmericher Protokoll (Sept. 23, 1818) states:
    Jul 19, 2001 @ 14:18 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  3261. East Berlin Border Guard map fragments
    Three of them can bee seen at http://www.dailysoft.com/berlinwall/maps/index_de.htm The famous Lenné Triangle can be seen on the Reichstag/Potsdamer Platz map
    Jul 19, 2001 @ 14:28 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  3262. Another river condominium?
    Acc. to http://www.internationalwaterlaw.org/RegionalDocs/Parana2.htm Peter S.
    Jul 19, 2001 @ 14:47 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  3263. Re: [BoundaryPoint] East Berlin Border Guard map fragments
    Love to see the whole map! I wonder if it can be found anywhere? Doug ... From: Peter Smaardijk Date: Thursday, July 19, 2001 07:28:47 AM To:
    Jul 19, 2001 @ 16:01 - Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline ("Doug Murray, StockPhotosOnline" <dmurray@...>)
  3264. Re: [BoundaryPoint] DELU condo origins
    ... Does it contain the the southern Vianden binational tripoints? If it does please post it. ... Is the book(?) defining the dondominium border? Water edge?
    Jul 19, 2001 @ 17:27 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  3265. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
    You are right But I think it requires a better map to see if it s just a drawing error. Jesper ... From: Peter Smaardijk To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
    Jul 19, 2001 @ 19:19 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  3266. RE: [BoundaryPoint] DELU condo origins
    ... No. There are example maps in the back, but none of them show any of the tripoints/lines in any detail. ... Yes, I think it defines the condominium border.
    Jul 19, 2001 @ 19:30 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <blofeld_es@...>)
  3267. Re: East Berlin Border Guard map fragments
    Acc. to the site, the source is the Berliner Mauer Archiv, and one Hagen Koch. He is one of the two writers of the book Die Berliner Mauer (also mentioned on
    Jul 19, 2001 @ 19:42 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  3268. Re: [BoundaryPoint] DELU condo origins
    Hej Mats, thanks for your most interesting info on DeLu! Conc. possible condominiunms between Austria and Germany: NO, not to my knowledge, never heard of...-
    Jul 19, 2001 @ 19:58 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  3269. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: East Berlin Border Guard map fragments
    On East Berlin Border Guard map fragments: I expect all the maps can be seen in the Bundesarchiv in Freiburg, where all the material from the former
    Jul 19, 2001 @ 19:56 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <blofeld_es@...>)
  3270. Re: Fwd: Border dispute (Cameroon/CAR)
    ... That was me - belated thanks for your previous reply, and for the news item. I ve ordered Brownlie on an interlibrary loan from my local Uni. The one thing
    Jul 19, 2001 @ 22:15 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
  3271. Re: [BoundaryPoint] DELU condo origins
    The comparison of Ger-Aut was referring to when? 1816? Post ww2? post 1990? Before WW1, Germany has a long border with Austro-Hungary. Perhaps the referecne is
    Jul 20, 2001 @ 00:13 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  3272. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: DELU condo origins
    If it dates fomr 1816, then this year is the 185th anniversary. Oppotunity for a toast with a blend of German and Luxemburg moselle eines during the September
    Jul 20, 2001 @ 00:16 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  3273. IndPak & IndBang & tourism
    Particularly for Dallen if he s still with us: For a nice photo of two ceremonial border guards at the border crossing of India-Pakistan, and a description of
    Jul 20, 2001 @ 04:14 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  3274. Re: DELU condo origins
    I thought about the Ger-Aut condominium question and I recalled reading something some time ago about the status of Lake Constance (Bodensee). Is it true that
    Jul 20, 2001 @ 10:22 - David Birch ("David Birch" <dbirch@...>)
  3275. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: DELU condo origins (fwd)
    ... Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:34:40 -0400 From: Barry Smith To: David Mark Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re:
    Jul 20, 2001 @ 15:51 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  3276. Border delimination
    Political Frontiers and Boundaries , page 74: There have been cases where letters of place names shown on a nominated map has been used as a turning point.
    Jul 20, 2001 @ 20:57 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  3277. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border delimination
    I d be very interested find out about these! Does anyone recall the 1943 film Five Graves to Cairo ? Set in north Africa during World War II, if I recall
    Jul 20, 2001 @ 23:02 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  3278. delu condo
    Just a picture of the de-delu-lu! Jesper http://www.mosel-reisefuehrer.de/palzem.htm
    Jul 21, 2001 @ 15:56 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  3279. Current Steinstuecken map
    Hello! I found a Steinst�cken online map at
    Jul 21, 2001 @ 17:11 - Manfred Haertel (Manfred Haertel <Manfred.Haertel@...>)
  3280. Re: [BoundaryPoint] delu condo
    do you mean one of the dedelulu tripoint twins dedelulun & dedelulus i doubt that or just somewhere within delu or the defrlu area or triline or what exactly m
    Jul 21, 2001 @ 17:21 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
  3281. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: DELU condo origins (fwd)
    david this is the second time you have posted this & now i ask again what do you suppose is meant here by the sentence german holds no unambiguous opinion it
    Jul 22, 2001 @ 02:00 - Michael Donner ("Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@...>)
  3282. Re: [BoundaryPoint] delu condo
    Just along delu. J ... From: Michael Donner To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] delu condo do
    Jul 22, 2001 @ 07:18 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  3283. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: New file uploaded to BoundaryPoint
    Not according to Wolfgang s map. I have created a delu folder under files at Boundary Point. It containes the tripoint map and Wolfgang s documents that we
    Jul 22, 2001 @ 12:02 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  3284. The Moselle N of Vianden?
    If wonder if button photo of http://www.cybercruises.com/kdearlydiscnov99.htm is showing Bivels N of Vianden? Jesper
    Jul 22, 2001 @ 14:56 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  3285. where would you locate a country?
    Hello, all: I am writing a book and would love your help. I am looking for a real, unihabited but habitable locale anywhere in the world where 10,000,000+
    Jul 23, 2001 @ 04:10 - Maisel (Maisel <amaisel@...>)
  3286. Border picture on the money
    Hi everybody, I have not mentioned earlier (of course due to my absent mindedness) that on Estonian five kroons you can see the Estonian-Russian border
    Jul 23, 2001 @ 08:19 - andreslb2000@yahoo.co.uk (andreslb2000@...)
  3287. Re: The Moselle N of Vianden?
    It is the river Our that flows at Bivels. And anyway, no through shipping there, because of the dam (there is no lock). Or are you talking about another
    Jul 23, 2001 @ 08:55 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  3288. Old pictures of benl
    http://www.chez.com/hbindels/pics_oldies/fr_gmm.jpg & http://www.chez.com/hbindels/pics_oldies/beusd_front.jpg Peter S.
    Jul 23, 2001 @ 09:31 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  3289. Re: Old pictures of benl
    Doesn t seem to work. Try http://www.chez.com/hbindels/index.htm , and work your way through the site to the pictures. Peter S.
    Jul 23, 2001 @ 09:34 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  3290. Re: The Moselle N of Vianden?
    I think it the River Saar Pierre
    Jul 23, 2001 @ 13:40 - Pierre ("Pierre" <fallyx@...>)
  3291. Re: The Moselle N of Vianden?
    ... I think it is teh river Saar. Pierre
    Jul 23, 2001 @ 13:41 - Pierre ("Pierre" <fallyx@...>)
  3292. 3302/The Moselle N of Vianden
    I think it is the river Saar. Pierre
    Jul 23, 2001 @ 13:48 - Pierre ("Pierre" <fallyx@...>)
  3293. Re: The Moselle N of Vianden?
    I think it is the river Saar Pierre
    Jul 23, 2001 @ 13:51 - Pierre ("Pierre" <fallyx@...>)
  3294. The Moselle N of Vianden?
    I think it is the river Saar Pierre
    Jul 23, 2001 @ 13:55 - Pierre ("Pierre" <fallyx@...>)
  3295. Re 3302/Mosell N of Vianden?
    Sorry, I message must be corrigated: It is definitly the Moselle, a view from Calmond near the village of Bremm Pierre
    Jul 23, 2001 @ 14:26 - Pierre ("Pierre" <fallyx@...>)
  3296. Re: Border picture on the money
    Some story! In Russia the sky was dark because it was evening!! ;-)) I know of problems caused by maps on stamps: The Irish Free State issued stamps depicting
    Jul 23, 2001 @ 20:18 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  3297. DELU condo research
    Colleagues, Based on the Grenzvermessung Deutschland-Luxemburg... it seems possible to throw forward the following postulates: The delu condominuim seems to
    Jul 23, 2001 @ 19:21 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <blofeld_es@...>)
  3298. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border picture on the money
    ... Not a border picture, but the 10 DEM (Deutsche Mark/German Mark) from 1991 showing Carl Friedrich Gauss, has on the back side a sextant (I assume) and a
    Jul 23, 2001 @ 21:50 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
  3299. Re: [BoundaryPoint] DELU condo research
    IF it DOES come from the 1815 Vienna treaty, remember that Moresnet did too, because of the inability to reach any other compromise between Neth and Prussia.
    Jul 24, 2001 @ 00:05 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  3300. Re: [BoundaryPoint] DELU condo research
    Thanks alot maps I am starting to feel very well equipted for delu for GCEBE. But we still are out of a 1:10000 map of the binational tripoints S of Vianden.
    Jul 24, 2001 @ 05:59 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  3301. Re: [BoundaryPoint] DELU condo research
    Sorry Mats I meant Thanks alot Mats It s just that I am a mapaholic. Jesper ... From: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent:
    Jul 24, 2001 @ 06:02 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  3302. Re: DELU condo research
    Thanks Mats. I find your postulates very convincing. Until we find out something else, of course. What strikes me is your guess that at one time a wet
    Jul 24, 2001 @ 13:37 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  3303. Re: Border picture on the money/Neuwerk
    For Neuwerk, see http://www.hamburg.de/Behoerden/Umweltbehoerde/duawww/dea8/26fa_75ee.h tm . A map is at
    Jul 24, 2001 @ 13:41 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  3304. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Border picture on the money/Neuwerk
    Thank you Peter, I am in possess of the original map 1:7.500. It is a fact that indeed a little piece of the coast of Niedersachsen also belongs to the Freie
    Jul 24, 2001 @ 22:05 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
  3305. Moving river borders
    We (well, Peter S and I) had some discussion a while back about riverine borders - whether if the river shifted its course the border stayed put or moved with
    Jul 24, 2001 @ 22:21 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
  3306. Brownlie's African Boundaries
    I have a copy of Brownlie on loan from the university for the next month. If anyone wants me to look anything up for them, let me know. I ll happily transcribe
    Jul 24, 2001 @ 22:21 - granthutchison@cs.com (granthutchison@...)
  3307. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Border picture on the money/Neuwerk
    Harry, I have questions on the Hamburg/Niedersachsen border. You might have noticed my messages from a long time ago when I unfortunately received no
    Jul 24, 2001 @ 22:38 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  3308. The Hispaniola postage stamp
    Haiti and the Dominican republic almost went to war over these stamps: http://members.tripod.com/claghorn1p/Dominican/index.htm Peter S.
    Jul 25, 2001 @ 09:35 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  3309. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: DELU condo research
    The Grenzvermessung Deutschland-Luxemburg is a truly remarkble book. (It even has a large friendly map printed on the cover :). Here is what is has to say on
    Jul 25, 2001 @ 12:58 - Mats Hessman (Mats Hessman <blofeld_es@...>)
  3310. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: DELU condo research
    Thanks Mats, for your most interesting and breathtaking remarks on the condo areas... of course, mate, we wouldn t dare coming home without having taken a
    Jul 25, 2001 @ 14:31 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  3311. Re: Another river condominium?
    This looks like being a real condominium. See http://www.dams.org/submissions/sub_sp_filho_en.htm : ITAIPU Binacional. This binational entity was formally
    Jul 25, 2001 @ 21:13 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  3312. Re: Border picture on the money/Neuwerk
    Some additional information (history) can be found at: http://www.hamburg.de/StadtPol/stats/neuwerk/welcome.htm . Fascinating to learn the place is inhabited
    Jul 25, 2001 @ 21:37 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardi