No dry
twin at the southeast corner. Only the one error.
jack
by
jove
right you are jack
hahahah
& topozone makes it
look like tishomingo is claiming only up to the end of
its usgs quad &
no farther
hahaha
so we appear to have our first renegade interstate
county &or its botched
but enhanced wet tripoint here
very
nice
& yikes
there is likely to be a dry twin of it also at the
southeast corner of that
quad
hahah
>
michael, From the tripoint go about 9 miles upstream
(southeast)
>along Lauderdale, AL - Tishamingo, MS counties
to where the AL-MS
>line heads south. Now note the county markings
south on the AL-MS line
>and east on the Lauderdale-Colbert county
line. They've got a Tishimingo
>label over in AL.
jack
> -----Original Message-----From: michael
donner
>[mailto:m@...]Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001
7:55 PMTo:
>BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.comSubject:
RE: [BoundaryPoint] nsw sa vic &
>almstnjack
> that is oddyou seem to be referring to the fragment brendan
was
> talking about just upinside the mouth of bear creek therebut
i am not
> positive you arenor that i even see the errorit only
seems to me
> that the 25k map so clearly labels the counties
rightthere on the
> fragment that the 100k map seems
oblivious of them
> bycomparisonbut i think it is more of an
illusion than it is a
> real mistakesince maps generally assume
the reader will associate counties
> with thestates they are in
& vice versabut maybe i still
> havent found the place you
mean& i suppose there is a possibility
> one or the other of
these 1984 maps arereflecting a boundary change made
> subsequent
to the 1976 bus&ss descriptionsso i wonder if you can
> help
me to see it better if i did miss itmpsalso
> please forgive the
errors i introduced on page vi of your bookas you
> probably also
realize by nowi meant wellbut as i recently
> learnedcrown waters
can indeed be provincial just as well as
> federalonly we still
dont know for sure yet exactly which are
>
which> Michael, For an
> interesting
sidenote to your discussion on almstn,>go southeast,
> upriver,
from the tripoint. Note the map labelling
>
error>where Tishamingo County, MS meets Colbert County, AL.
> There is a>section of the 1:100000 map where
both
> Tishamingo and Colbert are applied>to the same
area. The
> 1:25000 map does not have this error. Jack
> -----Original
> Message-----From: michael donner
(by way of
> jane>capellaro
<j@...>)
>
[mailto:m@...]Sent: Tuesday,>April 17, 2001
>
2:36 PMTo:
>
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.comSubject:>[BoundaryPoint] nsw sa vic
&
> almstngood of you to> dish these data &
map brendanthey
> really are worth> savoringthis is
pickwick tva dam lake 1937it
> looks like the> usgs
rightly feels responsible for preserving the
> memoryof these
boundary> making river banksbut couldnt quite
> finish
the job at the mouth of yellow> creekwhere we are left
to
> deduce how your six 4pole chains aka 396 feet> fit
inupriver of
> the invisible creek confluence & visible
mstn> linebut i have
> checked it out & you are
rightalso my own> further digging
> has just revealed a
very simple & very dumbsolution to> the
> whole
problembus&ss says the code of alabama saysaltn runs>
>
westward along the southern boundary of tncrossing the tennessee>
> river & then peculiarly but>
> verbatim& on to second intersection
>
> of said river by said
linethe
> original> intention of & reason for this
reference to the
> secondintersection was> obviously
owing to the fact that the
> tennessee rivercrosses the
35th> parallel twice first
> near algatn
& again at almstnbut> the wording can also be
>
perversely read in this case to refer only tothe> second or
lower
> of these two crossingswhere the second intersection of
the> river
> by the line could then only meanthe left or
western banksince>
> the first intersection of the river by
the line there could only>
> haveoccurred at its right or
eastern bankof course i>
> know every place a
shape is intersected by a line
> there> arereally two
line intersections both occurring
> along the outline
of> the shapebut i doubt this geometric
> construction
was ever intended by> anyone& so i would guess
> that
it was only the happenchance of such> a perversereading
that
> has more than anything else encouraged the altn>
boundary
> tocontinue westward across the river & then
for lack
> of> any better clue toscamper up the
left bank to almstn
> without> disturbance or serious
objectionfrom anyone but mein
> any> caseattached below
is a pic of our trusty local informant
> & pilot>
horace yearberturning about on the tristate
> pointwith the
camera> pointing northwest to the rather impressive
>
lake house ofloretta> lynn closest resident
to
> almstnwhich stands very near the> first yellow creek
left bank
> benchmark on the topobut for my> moneyalmstn
is not so much a
> point as a gap or hole in> realitymps
to davidbear creek &
> the fragment are> farther up
the tennessee riverjust where the
> alms survey line comes
up> from the south>>Interesting.
> Both the TnMs
and TnAl> lines were menat to be at the
>
35th>parallel. But the Ms leg was defined> "from a point
on
> the west bank of the>Tennessee River four
six-pole> chains
> south, or above Yellow Creek...
and>then ran west. This line
> was> slightly south of
the 35th. IN Al, the estimate>of where
> the 35th was>
was made near Elk River, in the middle of the
> AlTn>line. It
was then> run east and west of thatp oint, but
> has a
slight angling>to the NW and> SE, such that it is
south
> of the 35th at the Ga border, and>north of>
the 35th at the Ms
> border.>So instead of the two lines of
southern Tn> meeting at
> the 35th, the Ms part>is a
little south and the Al part al>
> ittle norht, fo a total
error of about>a mil,e north south. Given
> that> the
west bank of the Tn form the AlMs line>to the south,
>
continuing the> line along the bank north seems
>
reasonable,>rather than drawing a> straight line. A
line
> diagonally across the river fomr>one bank to
the> other would
> also seem logical, if out of keeping
with NS and>EW> american
> lines, though looking again
at themap, it would have been>
> more>NS than the current
line following the river slightly W
> of> N.>>So
who defined this 1 mile extra leg, and when? Is
> it>
statuted?>>That theriver here has been dammed (when?)
>
means the> line is no longer on a>bank, and created a
little
> fragment of Al on the> Ms side of the line
south>from Bear Ck,
> which was once no doubt all>
land, and not
> lake.>>Interesitng that the USGS maps show
the> original
> river banks down
the>middleof
>the >lake.>>http://www.topozone.com/map.aspz=16&n=3870203&e=389129&size=l&symsho
>w=n>>>BW>>
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