Subject: RE: [BoundaryPoint] updated description of everyones land
Date: Jan 12, 2001 @ 03:32
Author: michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
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>thanX mats
>i dig it that you dig it
>
>& i will ask jc to scan & hang some maps when she gets home
>as i am a total barbarian to modernity
>
>but yes they are distantly separated islands
>& yet it is also much like st martin
>
>
>& on boundaries it is always best to begin with st martin
>for he is the patron of them & innkeepers & drunks
>
>& i used to sleep on the freakin beach there man
>
>
>but to digress further still
>so as to come round the other side of the question
>st martin is actually a part or really 2 parts of 2 larger exclaves
>comprising several islands of france & the netherlands
>& embracing st barts on the one side
> where they are co exclave of guadeloupe & martinique exclave of france
>& saba & statius on the other side
> where they are co exclave of netherlands antilles exclave of holland
>
>it is an amazing pair of second generation twins
>& worth a trip to pcl
>tho i cant find any map showing any lines in the water
>so you will have to let your mind do the swimming here
>
>& it is worth noting that these are not only a nicely mated pair of exclaves
>but they also reside in a cluster of 4 such including ones of the united
>kingdom & united states
>& are part of a large nexus of maritime territories legally connecting them
>to the american continents
>
>there may even be a legal quadrinational point lurking in here
>with st kitts & antigua
>
>
>in the cases of the double exclaves or binational enclaves i mentioned
>these are all much more remote island groups
>whose presumptive 200nm of territorial waters links them only to the waters
>of their siamese twin clave
>& by clave i do mean both exclave & enclave here
>
>
>there is no coadministration in these cases
>& there is even a legal line in the water between france & australia
>hence legal tripoints where its ends meet everyones land
>
>
>all 18 such holes in everyones land
>by whatever description
>extend at least 400nm or 461 statute miles in every direction
>& grow much larger when compounded into twins or greater multiples of
>island groups
>but are still recognizable as roundish holes
>
>think of it as a golf course just for us giants
>
>m
>
>>Michael,
>>
>>Double exclaves? Binational enclaves? What
>>wonderful and intriguing concepts!
>>Thank you for this most interesting report.
>>
>>Please forgive my ignorance but are the pairs of
>>11 and 12 separate islands, or are they St Martin-
>>cases, i. e. divided islands? Or maybe even
>>co-administered islands?
>>
>>You wouldn't have a scanned map or two to post,
>>would you?
>>
>>Mats
>>
>>> in the eyes of enclave lovers a conspicuous omission from the
>>> inventory
>>> posted here below
>>> which would perhaps be unforgiveable not to correct immediately
>>> is the fact that the major maritime area of everyones land
>>> namely the area indicated as 1b below
>>> is interrupted no fewer than 18 times by a total of 20
>>> insular exclaves
>>> with associated territorial waters of 10 countries as follows
>>>
>>> atlantic ocean
>>> 1 ascension united kingdom
>>> 2 azores portugal
>>> 3 bermuda united kingdom
>>> 4 bouvet norway
>>> 5 st helena united kingdom
>>> 6 south georgia &c united kingdom
>>> 7 trinidade brazil
>>> 8 tristan da cunha united kingdom
>>>
>>> indian ocean
>>> 9 amsterdam france
>>> 10 cocos & keeling australia
>>> 11 crozet & pr edward france & south africa double
>>> 12 kerguelen & mcdonald france & australia double
>>>
>>> pacific ocean
>>> 13 clipperton france
>>> 14 easter island etc chile
>>> 15 hawaii to midway united states
>>> 16 johnson atoll united states
>>> 17 minami tori shima japan
>>> 18 san ambrosio & felix chile
>>>
>>> not all islands but only the remotest ones produce such holes
>>>
>>> notably none of the holes is occupied by an independent country
>>> & 2 of them as indicated contain double exclaves or
>>> binational enclaves
>>> such as probably occur nowhere else in the world
>>> & which resemble siamese twins on a map
>>>
>>> m
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> >further study of relevant works by prescott & blake points
>>> in the direction
>>> >of an omnisovereign or common human heritage preserve area
>>> of the planet
>>> >comprising
>>> >1 the leading or metropolitan or homeland zone consisting of
>>> > a all antarctica plus
>>> > b the vast adjacent contiguous area of high seas
>>> > in the indian & pacific & atlantic oceans
>>> > extending as far north as greenland
>>> >2 its 15 all oceanic exclaves or coclaves comprising
>>> > a 1 leading & 2 lesser arctic exclaves
>>> > b 2 minor gulf of mexico exclaves &
>>> > c 10 mostly minor pacific exclaves
>>> >totalling 16 units of sea area
>>> >with the overwhelmingly major one adjoining the only land area
>>> >in a combined territory far larger than any other in the world
>>> >
>>> >its hottest points
>>> >besides the south & north poles
>>> >will include the roughly 130 supranational tripoints
>>> > where international boundaries meet the omnisovereign area
>>> >with the great majority falling along the perimeter of the major unit
>>> >
>>> >additionally
>>> >the 161 continental tri country points
>>> > plus an approximately equal number of maritime ones
>>> >from which the idea of everyones land was spawned
>>> >may continue to be recognized as overseas points of enduring interest
>>> >
>>> >by thus recognizing all the remotest outlands as the homeland
>>> >& turning the known world inside out as it were
>>> >we may actually be turning the world upside down again
>>> >& so finally setting it aright with the south pole on top
>>> >
>>> >m
>>> >
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