ON the Monschauer Land Rurseengebeit Wanderkarte (1:25k) by the
Nordrhein-Westfalen Landesvermessungsamt, the road from Roetgen to Monschau
is the B258, labelled in 2 places, but neither on the stretch of road in
Belgium.
The eastern road from the island to Lammersdorf is the L114,.
BW
>From: "Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>
>Reply-To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
>To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
>Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 16:48:19 -0000
>
>A good lesson for me not to believe everything on maps (and
>subsequently post something here): the road is Bundesstrasse 258. On
>the Belgian topo maps I have, all German Bundesstrassen, that should
>have the letter B, get the letter N (like in Belgium) instead. Which
>is absolutely wrong.
>
>(N-numbers in the two hundreds in Belgium are found in Brussels and
>both Belgian provinces of Brabant).
>
>So it is even more like the Dutch N274 than I thought.
>
>Peter S.
>
>--- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@y...> wrote:
> > Btw: The road is the Bundesstrasse 258, meaning it is maintained by
> > Federal services (L means Landstrasse, K means Kreisstrasse,
>meaning
> > they are under Fed. Land and District services, respectively). This
> > road has been named N (=Nationalstrasse) 258 in Belgium, without
> > changing the number. So B258 in de, and N258 in be. As you say, the
> > road is maintained by Germany. A situation not unlike Dutch road
>N274
> > in Germany. I don't know whether this road also has a German
> > designation.
> >
> > Peter S.
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@h...> wrote:
> > > The road junction from Roetgen (west) Monschau (south) and
> > > Lammersdorf(east).
> > > The blank southern area is Belgium proper, the north with the
> > details, the
> > > larger of the two roegten enclaves.
> > > The roads west and eats are German to their edges, then Belgium
> > kicks in.
> > > The traffic island is on top of a hill, so the railway, Belgian,
> > winds
> > > around the hill to the far north, via Lammersdorf then south to
> > Monschau.
> > >
> > > according to the US Geographers "International Boundary Study
>No7,
> > June 30
> > > 1961 Belgium-Germany Boundary":
> > > "Before 1949 the three roads had been in Germany while the
> > territory on all
> > > sides was under Belgian administration. In 1949 the roads were
> > provisionally
> > > transferred to Belgium. The 1958 solution saw the cession of
> > Belgian
> > > territory north of the roads and the return of the two east west
> > segments to
> > > Germany. In turn Germany ceded the north south stretch of highway
> > to
> > > Belgium."
> > > ...
> > > "Since Article 7 of the Bonnb Convention on Relations provides
>that
> > the
> > > final determination of the boundaries of Germany must await a
>peace
> > > settlement of the whole of Germany, these frontier arrangements
>are
> > > necessarily provisional."
> > >
> > > Treaties covering the tripoint to enclaves area are:
> > >
> > > Treaty of Vienna 9 June 1815. In effect 1816-1919 and 1940-45.
> > Basic line of
> > > boundary.
> > >
> > > Boundary Treaty, Prussia and Netherlands, 26 June 1816. Detailed
> > > delimitation of Congress of Vienna treaty boundary.
> > >
> > > Treaty of London, 19 April 1839. Belgian independence.
> > >
> > > Treaty of Versailles, 28 June 1919.Articles 31-35 detached
>Moresnet
> > and
> > > eupen-Malmedy fomr Germany.
> > >
> > > Report of the Belgian-German Boundary Demarcation Commission,
> > Aachen 6 Nov
> > > 1922. Very detailed technical report was published in Moniteur
> > Belge, the
> > > Belgian govt gazette, 7 March 1925 as an annex to the law
> > incorporating the
> > > lands into the Belgian provincial structure.
> > >
> > > Treaty between Be and De, Aachen 10 May 1935. Two small parcels
>of
> > land,
> > > 1.7sq km ceded by Belgium allowing extension of Aachen freight
> > yards.
> > >
> > > Report of the Western German Frontier Demarcation Commission -
> > Southern
> > > Group- Belgian-German Frontier, Arlon (Belgium)9 Sept 1949
> > > 7 parcels of German land provisionally placed under Belgian
> > administration.
> > > 20sq km, 500 inhabitants.
> > >
> > > Treaty between the FRG and the Kingdom of Belgium concerning
> > rectification
> > > of the German-Belgian boundary and other questions, Brussels, 24
> > Sept 1956.
> > > While the 1949 changes had reduced/eliminated some problems of
> > border admin,
> > > customs control, communications and stream polluting, they had
> > created
> > > others. This treaty sought a compromise.
> > >
> > > BW
> > >
> > >
> >
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