I think an Ortsteil of Bremen municipality is called Stadtbremisches
Überseehafengebiet Bremerhaven. The "Bremerhaven" here is just part
of the name of this Bremen city quarter.
It is not part of the "suburb" of Bremen; that doesn't exist. It is
part of the city of Bremen. And two cities, Bremen and Bremerhaven,
make up the federal land Bremen.
Or are we on two different wavelengths now?
Peter S.
--- In
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@c...>
wrote:
> Stadtgemeinde Bremerhaven sowie zum Ortsteil
> Stadtbremisches Überseehafengebiet Bremerhaven der Stadtgemeinde
> Bremen gehörenden Wasserflächen der Weser.
>
>
> Let's analyze this: You werote that it says "zum Ortsteil
> Stadtbremisches Überseehafengebiet Bremerhaven.." it doesn't
say "zum
> Ortsteil Stadtbremisches Überseehafengebiet Bremen".
> Even in English you wrote "'Ortsteil' (=town section)
Stadtbremisches
> Überseehafengebiet Bremerhaven of the city-municipality of Bremen."
> I interpret that to mean that Bremerhaven suburb called
> "Stadtbremisches Überseehafengebiet" and the suburb Bremen's water
> surfaces of the Weser" belong to the coastal waters.
>
> I don't see how you get out of it that Stadtbremisches
> Überseehafengebiet could unquestionably be a part of the suburb of
> Bremen. I think the two make up an inseparable "Staatstadt" made of
> two perhaps autonomously administered parts of one city.
>
> Len
>
>
>
>
>
> [As coastal waters in the
> context of this law are meant those waters of the Weser river that
> belong to the city-municipality of Bremerhaven and those that belong
> to the "Ortsteil" (=town section) Stadtbremisches Überseehafengebiet
> Bremerhaven of the city-municipality of Bremen.
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Smaardijk"
> <smaardijk@y...> wrote:
> > This is how I understand it: the federal land Bremen is made up
of
> > two cities/municipalities (=Stadtgemeinde): Bremen and
Bremerhaven.
> > The part nowadays called "Stadtbremisches Überseehafengebiet" is
part
> > of Stadtgemeinde Bremen. I would say this is a third level
exclave.
> > Fehrmoor is, on the other hand, a second level exclave, because
it is
> > surrounded by Lower Saxony.
> >
> > Maybe there is a permit office in Bremerhaven, just the people
> > in "Stadtbremisches Überseehafengebiet" have to apply for a
permit in
> > their own municipality, i.e. Bremen proper.
> >
> > Peter S.
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "L. A. Nadybal"
<lnadybal@c...>
> > wrote:
> > > Something's strange in this discussion.
> > >
> > > Hansastadt Bremen is made up of two pieces, Bremen and
Bremerhaven.
> > > Bremerhaven translated is "Harbor of Bremen". On the surface,
I
> > think
> > > we are involved in discussing city with two parts (stadtteile),
a
> > land
> > > (state) that is in two parts and corporate harbor area
(state/land
> > or
> > > possibly even city owned and operated), all at the same time
without
> > > discerning between them.
> > >
> > > "Stadtbremisches Überseehafengebiet" translates as "City of
Bremen's
> > > Overseas Harbor District". Hamburg has similar, a part of the
> > harbor
> > > for domestic traffic and a section for imports (outside of the
> > customs
> > > zone).
> > >
> > > Are we really talking about a "third level exclave/enclave"
here, or
> > > only about a part of town in the northern section. It may be
that
> > in
> > > the "City of Bremen's Overseas Harbor District" there's no
permit
> > > office for residence permits, visas, etc., and that is in some
other
> > > part of town - like in downtown Bremen or somewhere 100km
> > away.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Len Nadybal
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Schulz"
<23568@g...>
> > wrote:
> > > > very nice map from 1942:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.wesermuen.de/WESERMUENDE-Karte.html
> > > >
> > > > fehrmoor can be seen also!
> > > >
> > > > regards , chris
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Peter Smaardijk
> > > > To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:35 PM
> > > > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: third level exclave bremen
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Great stuff, and it hasn't been discussed before I think.
> > > > By the way, in this attached map you can see the Fehrmoor
> > exclave in
> > > > its entirety! An extra bonus!
> > > >
> > > > Peter S.
> > > >
> > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Schulz"
> > <23568@g...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > dont know, if this was discussed before.
> > > > > in bremerhaven there is a part of the city,
> > called "Stadtbremisches
> > > > Überseehafengebiet", that belongs to the city of Bremen, 50
km
> > in the
> > > > south.
> > > > >
> > > > > i found a radio-spot about it. unfortunately its in
german.
> > > > > for the non-german-speaking guys:
> > > > > it describes, why and how in 1938 this part of
bremerhaven
> > became
> > > > part of the city of bremen.
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
http://stream.radiobremen.de/ramgen/media/rbton/bremeneins/chronik/at2
> > > > 0030330.rm
> > > > >
> > > > > another detail for the german-speaking guys:
> > > > > http://www.bremerhaven.de/stadt/aemter/vpol/einreise.html
> > > > > its about the situation for people, working on ships that
> > come to
> > > > the "Stadtbremisches Überseehafengebiet". if these guys try
to
> > > > arrange things about there papers in germany. they have to
go
> > to
> > > > bremen.
> > > > >
> > > > > regards, chris
> > > >
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