Hi Mike,
that's nice stuff really !!! Very interesting indeed! On my next trip to
Spain I'll most certainly visit that border monument - it must without
doubt qualify ´to be one of the oldest.
Re. border markers between Spain and France: two years ago on my
way back to Denmark from Basque country - Bilbao I crossed the
Fr-Sp border east of Irun at a very small place : no indication whatsoever
about crossing from one country to another - except from the way the
highway was paved...- un amigo de mi corazón told me that this was not
accidental. Because of the very strong Basque separatist movement both
governments don't dare to put of signs saying Spain or France because
these would inevitably be removed within a very short amount of time by the
separatists who do not recognize this border...!
Have a nice weekend !
Peter
----- Original Message -----
From: michael donner <m@...>
To: <boundarypoint@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 7:42 AM
Subject: [BoundaryPoint] 2 candidates for oldest boundary monument in the world
> most boundary scholars agree that the modern system of negotiated &
> monumented international boundaries dates only from about the treaty of
> westphalia in 1648 following the thirty years war
>
> however http://www.esj-lille.fr/atelier/explo/EPOQUE/NEP_06.HTM shows a
> photo & tells the story in french of a 1375 boundary monument on the french
> spanish border in the pyrenees that is said to have been the focal point of
> an annual ceremony of friendship held without fail ever since this monument
> was first installed according the terms of the treaty of roncal
>
> it is known today as monument 262 or saint martins stone
> in honor of the patron of boundary stones
> as also of drunks & innkeepers
>
>
> but there may also be an even older boundary marker on the other side of france
>
> http://republicaine-lorrain.fr/tourisme/bitche/breintenstein.htm shows a
> photo & tells also in french of a prehistoric druidic monument still
> standing on or near the present alsace lorraine subdivisional boundary
>
> it was renovated with christian art in 1787
> after which it became known as the rock of the 12 apostles or of the 3 peters
>
> apparently it has marked intermittently in its different guises a shifting
> international frontier during many centuries
>
>
>
> please let me know of any other candidates you may be aware of too
>
> m
>
>
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