thank you very much indeed martin
today is a huge day in our tricountry point rainbow chase
for we have arrived with this post from you at a reasonably confident
closure of the books on the first bp world class tp census
indeed with the benefit of these new data we can now see that the books
were actually already closed last december by rolf when he rounded up the
last stray maverick continental tp
as reported at that time in
http://www.egroups.com/message/boundarypoint/1086
moreover or rather moreunder while holding the maximum count at the 161
level reported there & then we could & perhaps should now reduce our
quasiofficial enumeration even further
by striking from that roster the many tps mostly in africa & asia that also
remain unconfirmed by the necessary boundary agreements
& striking likewise all those with any other technical irregularities such
the bedelu & defrlu dipunctitrilines
or others for which there are precedents or agreements but without the
specificity needed to precisely determine the point
etc
etc
& indeed we might in that way abort or retard another few dozen very
prospective tps
yet somehow it doesnt feel quite right or necessary to do or undo that much
just yet
first because i dont think we even have access to all the data that would
be necessary to accomplish the task
& also since we all know we are winging it anyway & just doing the best we
can until we can do better
so apart from that cavil i think we may have reached something closely
resembling truth here
happily too we can now be looking out for any signs of the development of
the worlds first maritime tps
just as we have been trying to anticipate new continental ones
& what a relief to realize now that we probably only have to keep an eye
out to sea for the 6 you consider at all likely
as compared with the 160 to 200 i was until recently expecting
more tangentially still
about the prospects in the gulf of aqaba
that too was my blunder rather than just a typo
to connect israel with saudi arabia i mean
yet it points up the gaping absence a quadricountry point in this world
now that moresnet is no more
& not to mention the demise of arauclfrgbnz
for wouldnt the improbable qp egiljosa make a perfectly lovely first lady
of the maritime era
not that i really believe these 4 countries will soon be capable or
desirous of going so far out of their way to accomplish such a powerful
cocreation
but anyway & as a final footnote to our completed tp census
i would guess again that the foremost & greatest hope for the restoration
of quadrinational pointhood to our world still lies with that much more
hypothetical & potential cocreation qp bwnazmzw
i even saw the botswanan ambassador to the united nations admit on cspan tv
a few years ago that his country does have a possible quadrinational point
& if botswana is saying that
then i believe all that would be necessary for bwnazmzw to materialize in
reality would be for botswana to introduce namibia to zimbabwe
whether zambia really cares to attend or not
& now that we know you have some pretty informed sources whispering in your ear
& also since another recent icj case
namely kasikili sedudu
could have had a bearing on any potential bwnazmzw accord
i am wondering whether there might have been any recent movement on this
front that you may also be aware of
or what your view might be of pointedly planting such a query in the right
places or even just kicking some economic or ecologic ass & making it happen
for dont they realize the potential that exists in precisely that location
for joint venturing with an authentic quadrinational bwana zoom zoo
safari theme park & riverboat gambling casino
of course with the grand roulette wheel centered on the qp
i swoon
m
>
>Michael,
>
>Given that you were probably working with pretty small-scale charts, I
>applaud your list of potential territorial sea tripoints. The only omission
>I spotted was Croatia-Italy-Slovenia, and I'm sure you meant
>EGYPT-Jordan-Saudi Arabia rather than Israel-Jordan-Saudi Arabia....
>
>However, using some of the sources I am fortunate to have available here in
>Durham, I am afraid that I am going to have to raise doubts about five of
>the tripoints on your list:
>
>1) Using equidistance lines, the Kuwait-Iran-Iraq tripoint lies a couple of
>miles beyond the territorial sea limits of the three countries (although it
>is still a potential continental shelf/EEZ tripoint).
>
>2) Using equidistance lines, the France-Netherlands territorial sea boundary
>off St Martin would not meet the France UK boundary between St Martin and
>Anguilla, so I fear there is no possibility of a tripoint here.
>
>3, 4, 5) The potential El Salvador-Honduras-Nicaragua,
>Belize-Guatemala-Honduras, and Indonesia-Malaysia-Singapore tripoints all
>trip up over the use of 3 nautical mile territorial sea limits. In due
>course, Singapore and Belize may extend their claimed territorial sea limits
>to 12 nautical miles, thereby creating the possibility of tripoints.
>However, the prospects for a tripoint between El Salvador, Honduras and
>Nicaragua seem remote, as the jurisidctional regime in the Gulf of Fonseca
>(3-mile territorial seas and joint sovereignty beyond) was laid down by the
>International Court of Justice in 1993.
>
>So territorial sea tripoints are rare beasts indeed. As yet, none has been
>confirmed in a formal boundary agreement.
>
>m a r t i n
>
>
>--- In BoundaryPoint@y..., michael donner <m@d...> wrote:
>> please confirm or rule out any of the following maritime tri country point
>> guesses that you can
>> &or please add to the list if you can
>>
>> any positive findings will be combined with the list of the 161
>continental
>> tri country points that have been previously identified
>>
>> exact legal coords win a prize
>>
>> bahrain qatar saudi arabia
>>
>> belize guatemala honduras
>>
>> djibouti eritrea yemen
>>
>> egypt israel jordan
>>
>> el salvador honduras nicaragua
>>
>> france netherlands united kingdom
>> between anguilla & st martin
>>
>> indonesia malaysia singapore
>>
>> iran iraq kuwait
>>
>> israel jordan saudi arabia
>>
>> qatar saudi arabia united arab emirates
>>
>> & finally the spratly islands mess involving up to 6 countries
>> for which there are perhaps dozens of possible tripoint permutations
>> & about which any informed estimates or guesses would be appreciated
>>
>> remember
>> the name of the game is now 12 nautical miles
>> which means about 14 statute miles
>>
>> so in order to produce real full bodied tricountry trisovereign points
>> meaning the kind we are used to acknowledging on dry land
>> &or in fresh water
>> & not merely the highly dilute sort of trieez or trisovereignrights points
>> which i have until yesterday been swallowing & mistaking for the real
>mccoy
>> these maritime sovereign territorial boundary trijunctions
>> if indeed there are any
>> must occur at positions that lie within 12nm of dry lands belonging to all
>> 3 participating countries
>>
>> of course to then qualify as actual & not merely potential
>> any suitably close & thus potentially convergent international boundaries
>> must also have been fully negotiated by the countries who share them
>>
>> for tho equidistance is a broadly recognized principle of fairness
>> it does not in itself carry the force of an international treaty
>>
>> so there are really two questions lurking behind each item
>>
>> are lands of the 3 countries close enough to even produce a tripoint
>> &
>> have the countries actually established an authoritative position for that
>point yet
>>
>> m
>
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