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BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Karolis B."
<kbajoraz@y...> wrote:
>
> >
> > This is a question that constantly teases me, too.
> > That is, how can buildings straddle international
> > borders? How do such situations come into existence?
> >
> > I can think of some explanations myself:
> >
> > - Lower level bordes get upgraded to international
> > borders through some process. There is of course no
> > real need to inhibit building across, say, a county
> > border.
>
> Even so, it's usually much lower than the national government
that
> issues permits or designs parcels. Even if it was the national
> authority it wouldn't make a parcel across two or three
counties. And
> newly moved borders make sure to follow existing parcel
borders. It's
> relatively easy to just get two adjacent parcels on both sides.
But
> what about building permit? You must design a full house, they
won't
> issue you with a permit for a half-house. And in any case, whyt
the
> heck would you want your house to be in two countries. It
seems to me
> that misconseption about the border's location (ignorance) is
the
> only thing that might lead to it. Spare also for stiff border
> treaties, which establish the border unmovably before
checking out
> the existing situation in reality. Like RUUA, if RU was ever to
agree
> to a treaty, I'm sure will go out and see wher ethe border falls
and
> if any changes are needed.
>
> Mike, look, this is what I'm saying. The border in SU, like
RUUA,
> might've been nothing in reality, but it sure was precise on the
map!
> So the Ukranian SSR Ministry of Interior (MoI) Production
Marketing
> Department (PMD) wants to open a butchery. A nomenclaturist
from MoI
> PMD goes to Kharkiv Rayon Municipality and says, "look, I'm
building
> a butchery in Larkiv (bordercity) on Lenin St.". Municipality clerk
> says "fine then, go to the MoI Land Resources Department
(LRD) and
> get yourself a parcel". MoiPMD clerk goes to LRD clerk to get a
> parcel. There is no way the LRD ckerk will draw him up a
birepublican
> parcel because he, a UkrSSR land resources specialist, only
has
> UkrSSR maps to draw on and his authority is only in UkrSSR
only, and
> not in RSFSR anyway!
yes karolis i believe i understood you the first time too
but we have seen no evidence that soviet ruua was at all precise
all we have really seen so far is a stylized depiction of the
administrative cleavage
on inadequately scaled maps
a more precise map delineation may exist
but we have been led not to expect any such precision here
& a close reading of all the data suggests to me that your soviet
slaughterhouse was neither of ukrainian origination nor ever
approved in 2 republics
as i think you are coming around to realizing here above too
by your amusingly impossible example & your acceptance of
misconception as the more probable cause
for i imagine you are really agreeing that it is much more likely
that the slaughterhouse was planned & made all in one piece
no muss no fuss
by the predominantly russian soviets
to service the entire surrounding areas of both russia & ukraine
& accordingly
i am continuing to speculate
it has always reflected a shared interest & ownership
but was & remains under russian management
& my guess is
if it really has been chopped into 2 parts as reported
then this was done by locals rather than internationally as such
& not by a survey party but by ecomonists trying to express
geometrically the relative percentages of controlling interest
or by butchers throwing cleavers at a wall
or by some equally bizarre happenchance
also i thought len gave great general answers to matss great
general question
but they are probably not applicable to this specific & apparently
highly peculiar situation