The B258 is explicitely labelled N258 within Belgium on a Belgian
1:100000 topo map. Hence my mistake.
These 1:100000 maps are extremely sloppy, to my experience,
especially regarding the boundary. This is not only a matter of
scale. The smallest enclave is not only not shown (which can be a
matter of scale), but also is the normal boundary depicted absolutely
wrong. The same goes for the border along Bundesstrasse 258 and the
road to Lammersdorf.
Peter S.
--- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@h...> wrote:
> Belgian topo 1:10 000 43/8 Nord uses the German 1:25000 info in
black and
> white for the German parts of the map and very detailed colour
Belgian
> mapping for the Belgian parts. The B258 is not labelled within
Belgium.
>
> BW
>
>
> >From: "Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@y...>
> >Reply-To: BoundaryPoint@y...
> >To: BoundaryPoint@y...
> >Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
> >Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 16:48:19 -0000
> >
> >A good lesson for me not to believe everything on maps (and
> >subsequently post something here): the road is Bundesstrasse 258.
On
> >the Belgian topo maps I have, all German Bundesstrassen, that
should
> >have the letter B, get the letter N (like in Belgium) instead.
Which
> >is absolutely wrong.
> >
> >(N-numbers in the two hundreds in Belgium are found in Brussels and
> >both Belgian provinces of Brabant).
> >
> >So it is even more like the Dutch N274 than I thought.
> >
> >Peter S.
> >
> >--- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@y...>
wrote:
> > > Btw: The road is the Bundesstrasse 258, meaning it is
maintained by
> > > Federal services (L means Landstrasse, K means Kreisstrasse,
> >meaning
> > > they are under Fed. Land and District services, respectively).
This
> > > road has been named N (=Nationalstrasse) 258 in Belgium, without
> > > changing the number. So B258 in de, and N258 in be. As you say,
the
> > > road is maintained by Germany. A situation not unlike Dutch road
> >N274
> > > in Germany. I don't know whether this road also has a German
> > > designation.
> > >
> > > Peter S.
> > >
> > > --- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@h...> wrote:
> > > > The road junction from Roetgen (west) Monschau (south) and
> > > > Lammersdorf(east).
> > > > The blank southern area is Belgium proper, the north with the
> > > details, the
> > > > larger of the two roegten enclaves.
> > > > The roads west and eats are German to their edges, then
Belgium
> > > kicks in.
> > > > The traffic island is on top of a hill, so the railway,
Belgian,
> > > winds
> > > > around the hill to the far north, via Lammersdorf then south
to
> > > Monschau.
> > > >
> > > > according to the US Geographers "International Boundary Study
> >No7,
> > > June 30
> > > > 1961 Belgium-Germany Boundary":
> > > > "Before 1949 the three roads had been in Germany while the
> > > territory on all
> > > > sides was under Belgian administration. In 1949 the roads were
> > > provisionally
> > > > transferred to Belgium. The 1958 solution saw the cession of
> > > Belgian
> > > > territory north of the roads and the return of the two east
west
> > > segments to
> > > > Germany. In turn Germany ceded the north south stretch of
highway
> > > to
> > > > Belgium."
> > > > ...
> > > > "Since Article 7 of the Bonnb Convention on Relations provides
> >that
> > > the
> > > > final determination of the boundaries of Germany must await a
> >peace
> > > > settlement of the whole of Germany, these frontier
arrangements
> >are
> > > > necessarily provisional."
> > > >
> > > > Treaties covering the tripoint to enclaves area are:
> > > >
> > > > Treaty of Vienna 9 June 1815. In effect 1816-1919 and 1940-45.
> > > Basic line of
> > > > boundary.
> > > >
> > > > Boundary Treaty, Prussia and Netherlands, 26 June 1816.
Detailed
> > > > delimitation of Congress of Vienna treaty boundary.
> > > >
> > > > Treaty of London, 19 April 1839. Belgian independence.
> > > >
> > > > Treaty of Versailles, 28 June 1919.Articles 31-35 detached
> >Moresnet
> > > and
> > > > eupen-Malmedy fomr Germany.
> > > >
> > > > Report of the Belgian-German Boundary Demarcation Commission,
> > > Aachen 6 Nov
> > > > 1922. Very detailed technical report was published in Moniteur
> > > Belge, the
> > > > Belgian govt gazette, 7 March 1925 as an annex to the law
> > > incorporating the
> > > > lands into the Belgian provincial structure.
> > > >
> > > > Treaty between Be and De, Aachen 10 May 1935. Two small
parcels
> >of
> > > land,
> > > > 1.7sq km ceded by Belgium allowing extension of Aachen freight
> > > yards.
> > > >
> > > > Report of the Western German Frontier Demarcation Commission -
> > > Southern
> > > > Group- Belgian-German Frontier, Arlon (Belgium)9 Sept 1949
> > > > 7 parcels of German land provisionally placed under Belgian
> > > administration.
> > > > 20sq km, 500 inhabitants.
> > > >
> > > > Treaty between the FRG and the Kingdom of Belgium concerning
> > > rectification
> > > > of the German-Belgian boundary and other questions, Brussels,
24
> > > Sept 1956.
> > > > While the 1949 changes had reduced/eliminated some problems of
> > > border admin,
> > > > customs control, communications and stream polluting, they had
> > > created
> > > > others. This treaty sought a compromise.
> > > >
> > > > BW
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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