Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Ile de la Conference<br/>
Date: Mar 14, 2001 @ 03:37<br/>
Author: michael donner (michael donner &lt;m@...&gt;)<br/>
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<div id="ygrps-yiv-959222320">first  thanx for the tactful hint  peter<br/>
as all these franco spanish condo tripoints could be called frfrspsp only<br/>
in my fractured isofips<br/>
  a coinage as adulterated as punctology itself<br/>
& of course they should all be changed to esesfrfr in the kings iso<br/>
tho the suffixes 1 2 3 & 4 can still probably continue to serve pro tem<br/>
to indicate the generally ascending &or eastward progression of the 4 such<br/>
points you have turned up so far<br/>
of which i take it we were talking here about number 3 in the line<br/>
<br/>
your observations themselves are a little puzzling to me tho because i<br/>
thought you had indicated earlier that the all dry or upper condo is the<br/>
island itself<br/>
  or is coterminous with the island<br/>
& also that the international boundary is defined in such a way as to meet<br/>
this condo boundary precisely at the upstream & downstream extremities of<br/>
the island<br/>
  or at least to make a sort of wedge out of it  i think you said<br/>
<br/>
your map in <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.egroups.com/message/boundarypoint/1481">http://www.egroups.com/message/boundarypoint/1481</a> makes this<br/>
pretty clear too<br/>
if it can be believed<br/>
<br/>
perhaps i have only imagined some of these details<br/>
but all together they are what led me to predict that the 2 ile de la<br/>
conference tripoints at least would be easy to put a finger on<br/>
<br/>
& your pic in message 1703<br/>
<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.originepyrenees.com/images_mag/ile.jpg">http://www.originepyrenees.com/images_mag/ile.jpg</a><br/>
now that i compare it to the map<br/>
appears to give a very good view indeed of tripoint esesfrfr3 at left<br/>
  as well as a pretty fair view of tripoint esesfrfr4 at right<br/>
<br/>
however if the international boundary does cleave invariably to a thalweg<br/>
or thalwegs<br/>
as you now seem to be indicating<br/>
then it couldnt & wouldnt even touch the island<br/>
& if it does describe the center line of the river invariably<br/>
as you may also mean<br/>
then it could only strike the island by chance if indeed it did so at all<br/>
& would thus in just about every possible case not produce the neat results<br/>
i had envisioned<br/>
& on which i based the guesses made both above & below<br/>
<br/>
your guess that it might be off frame at left would place it within the river<br/>
where i was least expecting it  based on the above info<br/>
  & moreover you seem to be talking about 3 thalwegs here in all<br/>
    as if to indicate this is a river confluence rather than an ordinary island<br/>
      & i know there was some reference made to changes in the river but<br/>
but perhaps you can straighten me out here again too<br/>
<br/>
m<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<blockquote><span title="qreply"> &gt;<br/>
&gt;Ile de la Conference: you&#39;re looking eastwards. So the point towards<br/>
&gt;you is the westernmost point (frfreses[number]). Still, it being at<br/>
&gt;the meeting point of the center lines (or thalwegs) of the two<br/>
&gt;branches of the Bidasoa and the center line/thalweg of the<br/>
&gt;continuation of that river, it might be that it is just beyond this<br/>
&gt;picture at your left.<br/>
&gt;<br/>
&gt;Peter S.<br/>
&gt;<br/>
&gt;--- In BoundaryPoint@y..., michael donner &lt;m@d...&gt; wrote:<br/>
&gt;<br/>
&gt; evidently our first close look here at either frfrspsp3 or<br/>
&gt;frfrspsp4<br/>
&gt;&gt; as i cant tell which end of the ile de conference this is<br/>
&gt;&gt;<br/>
&gt;&gt; m </span></blockquote></div>