Subject: Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] bzgtmx
Date: Oct 30, 2006 @ 00:06
Author: aletheia kallos (aletheia kallos <aletheiak@yahoo.com>)
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> I wonder if it should not be placed a little SW ofhttp://www.sre.gob.mx/cilasur/Assets/Images/informe2003.pdf
> your cloud. If you look
> at Google Earth again, you clearly see the BZMX and
> MXGT vistas.
>
> This document
>
> indicated vista as the border.____________________________________________________________________________________
>
> Jesper
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> vegne af aletheia kallos
> Sendt: 3. oktober 2006 09:32
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> Emne: [BoundaryPoint] bzgtmx
>
>
>
> but
> to continue with the deliberations about where the
> next stop should be
> there is an additional difficulty awaiting us in
> bulgaria
> that wouldnt at all be awaiting us in belize
> unless we slow down & defer bulgaria long enough for
> the iso folks to finally catch up & tell us what to
> call the inherited former bgcsro & bgcsmk tripoints
>
> i mean now that the former serbia & montenegro aka
> cs
> has become serbia & montengro individually
> but with their obligatory new digraphs still
> unannounced
> & indeed so long delayed that we cant be sure theyll
> ever be announced
>
> & tho we have already visited several erstwhile cs
> tripoints fairly comfortably
> by both noting their transformations & nicknaming
> them
> in isofips
> even while awaiting their actually proper names to
> be
> given in pure iso
> & tho we could certainly do so again & again if
> necessary since all the nicknames are already known
> &
> in use
> at least by me
> nevertheless
> any delay in reaching bulgaria will reduce
> accordingly
> our chances of having to extemporize in isofips
> there
> at all
> by the time we do get there
> should the iso folks finally announce the new
> digraphs
> in the interim
>
> so there you have at least another good reason to
> keep
> slowing down
>
> if not to divert immediately to belize
>
> nor is there any really good reason not to detour in
> this way now
> since we have already done so for the similarly
> overlooked bfbjne
>
> & so
> tho i can tell you belize is not entirely without
> her
> own problems
> the resulting attached tripoint stretching diagram
> for
> bzgtmx is based on the known geocoords for the new
> marker position
> or at least the precisely known longitude &
> approximate latitude
> which tho not yet the legally agreed position is
> fairly inescapable
>
> & the formerly supposed position
> aka gtmx marker 107
> is about 200 meters due west
> or roughly a quarter of the length of the stretching
> line shown here
>
> & this extract from message 11319 explains
> everything
> > > > there are actually 2 known markers there
> > > >
> > > > the formerly but wrongly presumptive one
> > > > known as the vertice de aguas turbias
> > > > is probably 190 to 205 meters due west of the
> new one
> > > > & is actually now considered the first border
> marker on gtmx
> > > >
> > > > & this newly presumptive one
> > > > which has already been acknowledged by all 3
> countries
> > > > but awaits long overdue ratifications in an
> uncertain process
> > > > gives guatemala the extra sliver all agree she
> deserves
> > > >
> > > > neither one has ever been the legal tripoint
> tho
> >
> > > both markers are more or less exactly at north
> lat
> 17 deg 49 min
> > >
> > > the old marker
> > > is at west long 89 deg 09 min 06 sec & 749
> thousandths
> > > datum presumably nad27
> > > per united states state dept in ibs number 159
> > >
> > > & the new marker
> > > is at west long 89 deg 09 min 00 sec & 283
> thousandths
> > > datum presumably wgs84
> > > per belizean concession above & joint resurvey
> made in 2001
> > >
> > > if these longitudes are expressed in the same
> datum
> > > then the distance between them would be 190
> meters
>
> &
> before leaving belize
> it is probably a good idea also to at least mention
> the also not yet legally agreed but similarly
> putative
> bzgthn territorial sea tripoint
> if only to suggest that it & the few others of the
> maritime persuasion that are scattered around the
> world can most easily be picked up all at once after
> all the continental world class tripoints have been
> completed
> since none of these salty ones are included in the
> borderbase tour anyway
> & might otherwise create a lot of gratuitous
> confusion
> & difficulty
>
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