welcome home prodigal one
i figured you would be out there in the field somewhere celebrating &
reconnoitering
we are exuberating to get the whole scoop on bedelu & anything else you
will be dishing
of course that includes the aa too as first pal
m
>
>Hi again,
>
>For all of you wondering where I was last week: I was enjoying a
>short holiday. And photographs I have made, too. Let's hope they've
>turned out well, because I have made some you all would like to see.
>But I'm not going to give anything away yet, though... I dread the
>moment I get a message from the photo lab that they have lost my
>pictures.
>
>One thing I will tell you though: I have visited bedelu. Looked at it
>from all angles. And the possible condominium is tiny. I mean TINY.
>Basically, it is a concrete dam, dividing the channel up to the ship
>lock and the one leading from the weir. On the western side of it
>there is a small strip of something which would in dry times probably
>be some land, but was nothing but some trees standing in the water
>the time I was visiting (about four days ago). Yes, I photographed
>the spot.
>
>--- In BoundaryPoint@y..., michael donner <m@d...> wrote:
>> still working in the dark for lack of an 1815 treaty of vienna text
>> & still clueless also about any later international agreements that
>could
>> have affected the river condo or condos originally created then
>>
>> but a lucky catch at
>> <http://www.luxembourg.co.uk/fish_border.html>
>>http://www.luxembourg.co.uk/fish_border.html
>> makes the delu river condo on the moselle at schengen aka defrlu
>> which several members have already pointed out with pix & maps
>> seem likely to continue northward
>> first all the way down the moselle to wasserbillig
>> & from there all the way up the tributary river sauer to wallendorf
>> & finally all the way up its tributary river the our to bedelu
>> except in this last case for a very short stretch around vianden
>where the
>> delu boundary leaves the river our
>>
>> this single detour breaks the possible river condo territory into
>two
>> separate pieces
>> & may produce a pair of riparian condo tripoints in the process
>> one just southeast & the other just north of vianden
>>
>> these newly noticed possibilities
>> added to the earlier observation of a condo & tricountry line at
>defrlu
>> rather than an ordinary tri country point
>> & the pursuant supposition of a similar condo area & triline at
>bedelu
>> complete in prospect now the condominial & punctological survey of
>delu
>>
>> also tho only in passing
>> & just to promote all the tri country points of luxembourg
>equally
>> the locatienet zoomable map seems to indicate befrlu is high & dry
>> rather than riverine as previously thought
>>
>>
>>
>> but proceeding generally northward from luxembourg
>> to reexamine the bede boundary also for any sign of river condos
>> the multimap zoomable site indicates bede leaves the river our
>> just as delu did at vianden
>> but not only once in this case
>> at the point previously noticed 700 meters above bedelu
>> but also after another brief reunion a few km farther upstream
>> & thus it too may produce 2 distinct areas of bede river condo
>> & with them
>> besides the triline already observed at bedelu
>> & its companion riparian condo tripoint previously deduced
>> a pair of newly guessed riparian tripoints at the ends of the upper
>condo
>> all of which together likewise prospectively complete the
>condominial &
>> punctological survey of bede
>>
>>
>> & finally reaching holland
>> a search of the denl was not as productive as the delu & bede
>boundaries
>> turning up only 1 potential river condo within the formerly
>prussian sector
>> namely along a short reach of the rhine
>>
>> but the only maps found so far all depict this as a midriver
>boundary
>> & moreover the treatment of this area in 1815 or afterwards might
>easily
>> have differed from the treatment of the moselle & its tributaries
>> so a denl condo seems far less likely than any of the above
>possibilities
>> tho not yet entirely out of the question
>>
>> a still more dubious hanoverian possibility also exists
>> along a river or canal possibly named zijl
>> but i mention it only to complete the survey
>
>Although me too, I would be surprised to find the denl boundary
>waters to be condominia, I can say that there are much more of these.
>The most important one is, indeed, the river Rhine. The river you
>mention I think is the Westerwoldsche Aa, which flows into the
>Dollard sea branch at a hamlet called Nieuwe Statenzijl. The boundary
>runs along the eastern bank between boundary stone 197-I (north of
>Nieuweschans) and boundary stone 202-I (I think, but I can't make it
>out precisely on my 1:50k map, it could be 202-II or -III, too) just
>south of Nieuwe Statenzijl. There it leaves the bank and goes dry and
>eastwards. The northernmost boundary stone of denl is 203-II. I
>happen to have made a picture of it one and a half year ago. It is
>very unimposing: a very low stone on top of the dike, just behind a
>fence (that prevents Dutch sheep from wandering off to German soil,
>just as well in these foot & mouth infected times).
>>
>>
>>
>> thus in summary
>> leaving aside the 2 unlikely denl condos & their 4 unlikely
>tripoints
>> there are a total of 2 likely delu & 2 likely bede condos
>> along with their associated 2 likely trilines at defrlu & bedelu
>> each of these spanning an unmatched pair of bookend tripoints
>> plus a total of 5 likely simple condo tripoints separate from the
>trilines
>>
>>
>> treaty texts &or better maps are the indispensable next steps
>> if further progress is to be made here
>>
>> m
>
>
>Peter S.
>
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