You were loud and clear. I agree that every "straight" boundary
punctuated with nodes is probably not straight but segmented, with a
particular node more NEWSworthy than the others.
I might point out that I am only interested in dry cardinals (i.e.
that's how I'm defining them). It makes sense to try for exact tri-
points because how could you rightly claim a visit if you only set
foot in one or two of the states? But since cardinals belong to only
one state (or sometimes two I suppose) it seems sufficient to visit
the NEWSiest point of dry land.
BJB
--- In BoundaryPoint@egroups.com, michael donner <m@d...> wrote:
> perhaps i have again not made myself clear
>
> & perhaps it is not terribly important either
> inasmuch as cardinal pointing is really just a diversion anyway
from our
> primary focus of multipointing
> but such an amusing diversion that it may truly warrant another try
to explain
>
> what i meant below is that even cardinally oriented boundaries like
those
> of colorado or wyoming
> which might normally draw our pointing attentions only to their
corners
> still have in addition subtle but real cardinal extremes of
survey drift
>
> & the oldest examples of this as in new england are often quite
unsubtle
>
> the connecticut east & north points for example are so exaggerated
that
> they even appear to the naked eye as slight projections on any half
decent
> map
>
> the precise monument positions on probably every such survey
boundary are
> all recorded somewhere
> sometimes down to ten thousandths of a second or fractions of a
centimeter
> & these data are even beginning to reach the web
>
> the state of delaware for example has such an advanced monument
> identification program & such a neat southern boundary as to fairly
beg for
> an immediate test analysis
>
> the sector map at http://www.rdms.udel.edu/dgr/boundaryMap.html
leads in a
> few steps to precise geocoordinates for all 36 candidate monuments
along
> the delaware south line from dese to desw for the southernmost
point in
> delaware
>
> you can try all 36 & do the simple comparison exercise for yourself
> but i can tell you that the monument described at
> http://www.rdms.udel.edu/dgs/boundary/ID6.html is the easy winner
by about
> 2 meters over the nearest challenger monument for the delaware
south point
> at precisely 38degrees 27minutes 03seconds81561
>
> & tho there is only a slightly perceptible overall curvature of the
> delaware south line & no projection of this point upon it is
visible with
> the naked eye des can nevertheless be found & reached with the
additional
> help of http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=38.4531&lon=-
75.1335&size=s&s=25
>
> the correct monument is directly above the letter d in sandpit
>
>
> now if you think that is a pointless point to make you are right
> & that is why i have added it very pointedly to my short list
> & am really intrigued by it now perhaps precisely because it is so
ridiculous
> & by the many others of this sort
>
> after all there is not yet a single known instance of a perfectly
executed
> cardinal meld or news tour of any state
> so why write off all these wonderful dry land chances with real
stones to
> visit without at least checking them out first
>
> m
>
>
> >by the same token
> >wyo & colo must have their cards as surveyed in microreality
> >or dont you agree
> >
> >>I realized I had a couple more pictures of the NJE shoreline
area.
> >>One faces south and the other faces west. The southward facing
photo
> >>shows some rocks I would estimate to be 150 feet downstream from
> >>NJNE. The smokestacks of the Yonkers power plant are
> >>directly in line with them and 3.17 miles distant. The line runs
> >>2.61 degrees east of south. The photo caught part of the flat
> >>boulder adjacent to NJNE so I seem to have been leaning against
it or
> >>at least standing very close to it. Doing the trigonometry, we
get
> >>150sin(2.61) or 6.83 feet as the distance east the rocks are from
the
> >>camera position. So if was standing more than 6.83 feet shoreward
of
> >>NJNE then it must be promoted to NJE. If less, then I at least
have
> >>a picture of NJE taken from NJNE. If equal then it's a draw and
New
> >>Jersey must be placed in the same category as Wyoming or Colorado,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>BJB