A picture is at
http://www.tourist-info-vianden.lu/promenade.JPG .
The tripoint no. 47 is just behind the head of the person in red
(step aside, will you). A nice picture of the condominium, in other
words.
Peter S.
--- In BoundaryPoint@y..., michael donner <m@d...> wrote:
> thanxx to wolfgang & peter for again advancing this so nicely
>
> it is great to be part of a group effort
>
>
> also here is a photo of the our area in between the condos
> http://www.engineering.uiowa.edu/~cfd/gallery/images/hyd24
> best i can tell
> all luxembourg but with germany probably visible in the distance at
right
>
> it was captioned reservoir & dam nearby vianden
> so it is probably the bassin inferieure facing north toward
dedelulun
> aka delu monument 47
> at a position i think you are calling the promontory
> which is thus probably situated just around the river bend to the
right
> most likely at the foot of the hill that rises at upper right center
> & therefore presumably within the frame but hidden behind the left
bank here
>
> btw i have tried but still cant date this dam
> tho a possible twin on the sauer dates from the 1960s
>
>
>
> but since i am still pdf blind
> tho luckily not for much longer
> as a newer computer has recently reached here
> & will soon be installed
> any further clues about any of these new pdf data would still be
enormously
> appreciated at this late date
>
> & i realize this is asking a lot as usual
> so please excuse it
> but while i am being such a beggar
> how about a swatch of your map too peter
>
>
> at all events
> what i mainly still dont understand here
> tho i agree you are wise to be happy in any case
> is first why you are so lightly throwing your feudal guess out
the window
> & what you are discarding of it & with it
> because i liked most if not all of it & what went with it
>
> & i also wonder what if anything your doing this has to do with
whether the
> condo arrangement predated the 1816 monumentation &or treaty
> but again this is all probably owing to my working in the dark
>
> btw i understood this treaty was agreed in december of 1815
> or are we talking about 2 different documents also
>
>
> & finally
> once we get the numbering straight
> & regardless of whether the delu monuments might be paired
anywhere
> along the length of the condos
> do you not agree with my guess that there will only be single
monuments
> marking both dedelulun & dedelulus
>
> that is to say
> 19 & 47 or whatever you call them may be twinned or paired with
mates on
> the right bank as i believe you have indicated
> but both the dedelulu twins here should turn out to be marked on
their spots
> by a single monument in each case
> standing on the left bank only in each case
>
> i mean
> the lines between them & any right bank mates are dedelu lines
rather than
> dedelulu lines
>
> but this may just be a matter of clarification rather than
disagreement
>
> anyway
> please do keep dishing what you can & will
>
> m
>
>
> >
> >Great stuff, Wolfgang. So, if I understand correctly, the Vianden
> >land boundary is marked since 1816. It could have existed before
that
> >date, of course, but for now I'm happy to throw my feudal guess out
> >of the window. Some other considerations here, then.
> >
> >Still, on my map, it is already at bdy. stone no. 19 the fun
starts,
> >whereas in your document you mention 26. On my map, no. 19 is at
the
> >river, nos. 20 and 21 at the road border crossing of the road
> >Vianden - Roth an der Our, no. 24 is near something called "Les
Trois
> >Vierges", and nos. 25 to 31 are all around an area called
Wëngerdelt.
> >Is the numbering on my map wrong?
> >
> >No. 47 is a pair, I think, as can be seen on the map in your
> >document. It is at the promontory. That one is the real tripoint, I
> >think (dedelulu). The no. 47 on the right bank is "merely" a
boundary
> >mark on the delulu border, and of course the marker (together with
> >its brother) as to where the condo starts again.
> >
> >Interesting is also the myriad of auxiliary border stones
> >(Zwischengrenzsteine) in the bdy. stone no. 47 area.
> >
> >Another thing is that apart from 1816 and 1984, there is a 1930
> >agreement as well, although that seems to be the formalisation of
the
> >situation already in existence. In 1984, something was changed.
> >Something had to be changed anyway after the building of the dam
> >which formed the lake.
> >
> >You are obviously in possession of a very interesting publication
> >here, Wolfgang. Does it say anything at all on the origins of the
> >Vianden border?
> >
> >Peter S.
> >
> >--- In BoundaryPoint@y..., Gartner Wolfgang <WGartner@k...> wrote:
> >> hi, enclosed you will find some infos about boundary-stones on
DE -
> >LU
> >> borderline.
> >>
> >> <<DELU.PDF>>
> >>
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