Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Largest enclave
Date: Mar 12, 2001 @ 22:50
Author: michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
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in norman nicholson 1979
the boundaries of the canadian confederation
i just saw
the 1959 intl conf on the law of the sea gave all coastal countries
exclusive rights to their adjacent seabed as far offshore as the 200 meter
isobath
tho the waters & air above were not included in that exclusivity
as i believe you also were indicating below brendan

this new land area beneath the sea
he says & i quote
gave canada an increase of one seventh its total land area


i also seem to recall that subsequent unclos agreements have extended or
potentiated at least some of these offshore national seabed rights in some
cases out to a distance of 200 nautical miles or more from the coasts


but in any case the portion of the bed of the bight of biafra lying between
the 2 fragments of equatorial guinea
& between any potential camerounian & sao tome principian interruption
would certainly appear to qualify as an equatorial guinean land area
at least in nicholsons terms
even by the original & most modest seabed apportionment of 1959

& this area would thus appear to have territorially connected the 2 dry
land fragments of equatorial guinea
& in fact to have foreclosed any possibility of national discontiguity or
exclavity occurring there
nearly a decade before this odd country came into being in 1968


i could be wrong
but that is what i think the prescott map really shows & means
in relation to this clave question

m


>this is good stuff brendan
>& the distinctions are useful
>
>are you saying then that you think equatorial guinea does have an exclave
>as the question was about claves rather than fragments
>
>m
>
>
>
>>
>>I think the martimie terr is an EEZ, and not territorial sea.
>>Which means a foreign naval presence can move through it.
>>But the point of rragments is that they disrupt normal administration and
>>travel and trade etc because there is a rupture of foreign territory or sea
>>or lake or unbridged river.
>>The greater this is in width, the harder the administration.
>>
>>Even in territorial sea, someone can come in and suck up the water, and you
>>can't do anything about it. But if someone comes on to your land and starts
>>digging holes you can.
>>
>>Holes of high seas within an EEZ create administrative problems as ANYONE
>>must be given access to those holes, which allows them to fish illegally in
>>your waters on the way through, and it is harder to manage stocks of fish
>>etc because of that free-fishing hole.
>>
>>Once islands like Denmark's are connected by bridges, the administration
>>problems begin to disappear.
>>B
>>
>>
>>>From: michael donner <m@...>
>>>Reply-To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
>>>To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
>>>Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Largest enclave
>>>Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 00:11:27 -0500
>>>
>>>i have a map by prescott that shows the 2 apparent fragments of equatorial
>>>guinea to be connected by maritime territory & thus not to really be
>>>fragments at all
>>>at least no more than sjaelland & continental denmark are fragments
>>>nor than any offshore island within the territorial waters of denmark or
>>>any other country is a fragment
>>>
>>>m
>>>
>>>by contrast i would say the danish island of bornholm is a true fragment
>>>because in this special case foreign maritime territory does cut it off
>>>completely from the rest of danish territory
>>>
>>>or have i missed your point
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> >No. Enclaves have to be totally surrounded by one other entity. Eq.G.'s
>>> >mainland is coastal and borders two other countries on land.
>>> >However, it is an interesting FRAGMENT, as although larger in area, and
>>> >'mainland', it is smaller in population than Rio Muni island, AND it does
>>> >not have the capital.
>>> >Other examples are:
>>> >Malasia, where E.Malaysia is larger, but has smaller pop and not the
>>>capital
>>> >Samoa, where the smaller island has the larger popn and the capital
>>> >Pakistan 1947-1971, where the western part was larger and had the
>>>capital,
>>> >but the East had more population.
>>> >Denmark, where the capital is on an island, not the larger mainland.
>>> >
>>> >Brendan
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>From: "Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>
>>> >>Reply-To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
>>> >>To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
>>> >>Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Largest enclave
>>> >>Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 16:48:13 +0100
>>> >>
>>> >>Which is the largest enclave in relations to the main area?
>>> >>
>>> >>How about Equatorial Guninea?
>>> >>
>>> >><<http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ek.html>
>>>http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ek.html>
>>> >><http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ek.html>
>>>http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ek.html
>>> >>
>>> >>If the capital is on an island so far from the main land is then the
>>>main
>>> >>land an enclave?
>>> >>
>>> >>Jesper
>>> >>
>>> >
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