Subject: neutral zones  & joint zones or condos<br/>
Date: Jan 07, 2001 @ 19:12<br/>
Author: michael donner (michael donner &lt;m@...&gt;)<br/>
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<div id="ygrps-yiv-241810098">just winging it here<br/>
but at least from a multisovereign & multipointing perspective<br/>
it is good to make a distinction between neutral zones & joint zones<br/>
<br/>
this is because sharing & closing a territory are really 2 different things<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
when a territory is truly neutral<br/>
  meaning not both but neither of 2 sovereignties is sovereign there<br/>
it can scarcely be said to be bisovereign<br/>
nor sovereign at all  for that matter<br/>
<br/>
of course it is not absolutely nonsovereign<br/>
since its closure is the result of a bilateral agreement about lands having<br/>
no other claimants than the 2 parties<br/>
& neither is it omnisovereign in the way that all the remote human heritage<br/>
preserves are<br/>
<br/>
it does appear more a case of nonsovereignty than bisovereignty tho<br/>
because  by contrast<br/>
when a territory is jointly used & enjoyed rather than mutually disregarded<br/>
it is only then fully & actually bisovereign<br/>
<br/>
& it is bisovereign in the same sense that an international boundary is<br/>
bisovereign<br/>
yet more tangibly so in view of the increase in dimensionality here<br/>
  progressing from joint line to joint area<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
the multisovereign ramifications of this distinction are interesting<br/>
<br/>
any point upon or portion of the boundary of a true joint zone met by a<br/>
third sovereign territory becomes operationally multisovereign<br/>
<br/>
thus it is possible to graduate as it were from tripoints to trilines<br/>
<br/>
& we may already have a few of these in the luxembourg area at least<br/>
  where river condominiums are believed to occur<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
but where neutral zones meet a third sovereign territory<br/>
the opportunity for attaining linear multisovereignty<br/>
  if it exists at all in reality<br/>
does not seem nearly so clear<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
happily for multisovereignty enthusiasts<br/>
neutral zones seem to be more a thing of the past<br/>
being much more akin to the old fashioned frontiers & no mans lands<br/>
while joint zones are generally more modern & extant<br/>
<br/>
blake in 1987 remarks<br/>
a highly significant feature of the world map is the emergence of zones of<br/>
joint economic exploitation<br/>
generally in response to disagreements over boundary delimitation<br/>
& he lists 5 successful types of joint zones & only 1 successful type of<br/>
neutral or restricted zone<br/>
<br/>
clearly joint zones are in the ascendancy in all regards<br/>
<br/>
m<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
the attainment of 3rd dimensional or areal multisovereignty<br/>
in tri areas etc<br/>
  as distinct from omnisovereignty<br/>
tho thought to exist uniquely in lake constance<br/>
seems to have been foreclosed there by gideon<br/>
so there appears to be no clear example of this type yet<br/>
while the triarea search goes on as ever<br/>
<br/>
however it doesnt feel so urgent a quest any longer<br/>
now that omnisovereign territory has been discovered</div>