yes that is my favorite simpsons moment of all time
& jane & i caught it on tv just as we returned home following our failed
attempt to drop a buoy at the glhemaokpa quintipoint this past spring
we were staggered to see the cartoon art exactly match the diagram jane had
drawn on the buoy
we are still saving this buoy for a retry this winter together with bill
as for the south pole sexipoint aka arauclfrgbnz
this was discussed toward the bottom of message 249
but basically i think it is just an unresolved ghost point
since the 1959 antarctic treaty essentially neutralized it
& i would agree it was never an ordinary sexipoint anyway but actually a
sexinational hendecapoint in passive dispute
the center of an irregular 6 topping pizza with 11 unequal slices
distributed as follows
1 missing norwegian slice of no mans or everyones land
2 au
3 aufr
4 au
5 nz
6 missing nonnorwegian slice of no mans or everyones land
7 cl
8 clgb
9 arclgb
10 argb
11 gb
so it seems to me that as a maxipoint arauclfrgbnz is magnificent &
historic & the coolest ever
but glhemaokpa has the virtue of being alive & well in florida
m
>
>What about the south pole, for 2 Aussie bits, a NZ bit, a French one, a Brit
>one (or Chilean or Agentinian), and the unclaimed/Norwegian bit. That's 6,
>with 2 overlapping claims...
>
>I presume you've seen the Simpson's episode where they all hold hands at
>'5-corners' where 5 US states meet...
>
>Brendan
>
>
>>From: michael donner <m@...>
>>Reply-To: BoundaryPoint@egroups.com
>>To: boundarypoint@egroups.com
>>Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [BoundaryPoint] tp belgium germany holland aka bedenl
>>Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 12:28:08 -0400
>>
>>ok brendan
>>beautiful visitation report
>>
>>& glad to have these corrections & multi negations
>>from which i gather you mean you would end the multipoint chronology
>>attempted below with the treaty of versailles itself in 1919 rather than
>>continue it to 1977
>>& that the bedenl tripoint actually reached its present configuration no
>>later than versailles itself
>>since both moresnet & eupenmalmedy effectively became belgium at that time
>>regardless of the bogus plebiscite & bogus ratification & the subsequent
>>reorganizations you mentioned
>>
>>that is fine with me
>>nor do i regret the loss of this putative ghost quintipoint in any case
>>since i believe its removal from consideration leaves on the quinti level
>>besides an also recently defunct quintiadministrative point of a certain
>>pacific archipelago whose name i forget
>>only the actual quinticounty point of lake okeechobee
>>aka usfl3glhemaokpa
>>still in the running for global maxipoint
>>
>>i mean it is no longer any contest at all so far as i can tell
>>
>>glhemaokpa simply is the global maxipoint designate
>>
>>& i probably dont have to remind anyone here that the pa of glhemaokpa is
>>none other than palm beach county
>>
>>so if anyone was wanting more of a recount there we would have to also
>>recount glades & hendry & martin & okeechobee counties too within the
>>global meltdown epicenter
>>
>>m
>>
>>
>>
>> >>From: "Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>
>> >
>> >no, no ,no,
>> >what i meant was, accordingf to Versailles, Moresnet was integrated into
>> >Belgium along with Epen/Malmedy (subject to a plebiscite where those NOT
>> >wanting to be Belgianised could sign a register in public in front of
>> >Belgian police. some free vote! Funnily enough, few did so.
>> >So 1921 (or 22?) it was all confirmed, belgium having admined the area in
>> >the meantime.
>> >Moresnet became a Belgiuan commune then, and it was not until the
>>municipal
>> >reoganisation of 1977 that commune Moresnet was joined to other communes
>>to
>> >make a new, larger commune. Neutral Moresnet disappeared in 1918/9 at
>> >Versailles.
>> >Apparently the border stones still exist and thesre is a wlkaing trail
>> >around them. The day i was there (yesterday) there was a hunt on in the
>> >forest making up much of the old Neut Moresnet, so it was offlimits
>>because
>> >of Belgian idiots running riot with red jackets and shotguns.
>> >So for a while the Belgian border was more dangerous to me than the
>>Indian
>> >border!
>> >
>> >Brendan
>> >
>> >
>> >>From: michael donner <m@...>
>> >>Reply-To: BoundaryPoint@egroups.com
>> >>To: boundarypoint@egroups.com
>> >>Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] tp belgium germany holland aka bedenl
>> >>Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 04:27:40 -0400
>> >>
>> >><<http://home.hccnet.nl/c.damen/images/landkaart/landkaart_stip.jpg>
>>http://home.hccnet.nl/c.damen/images/landkaart/landkaart_stip.jpg>
>> >><http://home.hccnet.nl/c.damen/images/landkaart/landkaart_stip.jpg>
>>http://home.hccnet.nl/c.damen/images/landkaart/landkaart_stip.jpg gives
>>a
>> >>nice outline map of neutral moresnet & shows how it used to meet the
>>bedenl
>> >>point in at least a quadripoint
>> >>
>> >>note
>> >> netherlands is at upper left
>> >> germany is at upper right
>> >> old belgium is to the left of the blue dot area
>> >> moresnet or kelmis is within the blue dot area
>> >> eupen malmedy is to the right of the blue dot area
>> >>
>> >>upon further study
>> >>i believe this bedenl point may also have been not just a legal
>>quadripoint
>> >>but fully a legal quintipoint between 1919 & 1922
>> >>still only trinational in composition but quintipartite in form
>> >>when the 2 distinct but adjacent & convergent expatriated zones are
>> >>considered along with & separate from the 3 countries themselves
>> >>
>> >>based on the info from brendan below & gideon & other sources
>> >>the chronology of the development of the point seems to be
>> >>1815 tripoint moresnet netherlands prussia north
>> >>1839 quadripoint belgium moresnet netherlands prussia
>> >>1871 quadripoint belgium germany moresnet netherlands
>> >>1919 quintipoint belgium eupen&malmedy germany moresnet netherlands
>> >>1922 quadripoint belgium germany kelmis netherlands
>> >>1940 1945 intermezzo
>> >>1945 quadripoint belgium germany kelmis netherlands resumes
>> >>1977 tripoint belgium germany netherlands
>> >>
>> >>the trickiest part occurs between the treaty of versailles in 1919 & the
>> >>belated belgian confirmation to the league of nations in 1922 that the
>> >>confirmational plebiscite mandated for eupen malmedy in 1920 was in fact
>> >>completed
>> >>
>> >>if the moresnet or kelmis area was not fully integrated into belgium
>>until
>> >>1977 as mentioned below
>> >>but remained until then & except during world war 2 an international
>>rather
>> >>than an exclusively belgian entity & territory
>> >> the terms of the treaty of versailles to the contrary notwithstanding
>> >>& if eupen malmedy was also not fully & legally integrated into belgium
>> >>until after the league of nations confirmed the plebiscite in 1922
>> >>then bedenl was a legal quintipoint between 1919 & 1922
>> >>& still a legal quadripoint as recently as 1977
>> >> or i am deceived
>> >>
>> >>m
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >thank you brendan
>> >> >
>> >> >these are the data i wanted
>> >> >
>> >> >fantastic
>> >> >
>> >> >m
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Actually it was a quadripoint from 1815-1918.
>> >> >>Moresnet was in dispute between Prussia and Holland afteer the
>>Congress
>> >>of
>> >> >>Vienna and so became a neutral zone between them (it contianed a
>> >>valuable
>> >> >>zinc mine).
>> >> >>In 1830 Belgium became indep, and Moresnet became a Belg/Prussian
>> >>neutral
>> >> >>zone, but still connected to Netherlands by a single point.
>> >> >>1918 treaty of Versailles, Belgium was awarded Eupen in Prussia (to
>>be
>> >> >>affirmed by a 'plebiscite'in 1920) and so apart fomr the point,
>>Moresnet
>> >>was
>> >> >>now totally surrounded by Belgium (still it met Neth and Germany at
>>the
>> >> >>point), so it was given to Belgium too.
>> >> >>In 1977 Moresnet commune was amalgamated with nearby commeunes, so
>>the
>> >>shape
>> >> >>of it has changed only recently. 1815-1977 it existed as an
>> >>international
>> >> >>entity or a commune (called Kelmis by the Belgians).
>> >> >>Brendan
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>From: michael donner <m@...>
>> >> >>>Reply-To: BoundaryPoint@egroups.com
>> >> >>>To: BoundaryPoint@egroups.com
>> >> >>>Subject: [BoundaryPoint] tp belgium germany holland aka bedenl
>> >> >>>Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:32:31 -0400
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>the present bedenl point was between 1919 & 1922 actually a
>> >> >>> >trinational quadripoint with a binational bede neutral zone
>> >> >>> >& the conjunction as a whole was therefore topologically identical
>>to
>> >>the
>> >> >>> >other suspected similarly defunct example which arif is on the
>>track
>> >>of
>> >> >>>at
>> >> >>> >present day tp iraq kuwait saudi arabia
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>& if you zoom in on bedenl at mapquest
>> >> >>>you will see a municipal boundary also converging upon it from the
>>ssw
>> >> >>>which in fact formerly separated the bede neutral zone from belgium
>> >> >>>& thus for a few years promoted this tp into a trinational
>>quadripoint
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>m