Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Exclaves
Date: Aug 10, 2001 @ 01:08
Author: Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
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The russian 200k maps I have seen give the names (transliterated by me) as,
north to south, Ukhary-Askipara, Barkhudarly, Bashkend and Kiarky.

BW


>From: "Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>
>Reply-To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
>To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Exclaves
>Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 18:57:03 -0000
>
> > I am looking for information regarding two Azerbaijani exclaves in
> > northern Armenia called Yukhari Askipara and Barkhudarly (or
>Azatamut
> > or maybe even different). I have searched the internet but can't
>find
> > anything. I would like to know the real names (before and after
> > Armenian occupation), how many people lived here and when were they
> > occupied.
>
>The Azerbaijani names of these enclaves involve special Azeri
>characters. They are spelt:
>
>Barxudarl[dotless i]
>Yuxar[dotless i] [Schwa]skipara
>
>When these characters aren't available, [dotless i] may be replaced by
>i or (at the end of a word) y. The character [schwa] is an inverted
>lower case e, and it is replaced by � (UN recommended) or ya. The
>sound now rendered as x in Azeri used to be transliterated as k or kh.
>so part of your problem is the number of different ways these
>placenames can be rendered. Try searching for:
>
>Barxudarli, Barkudarli, Barkhudarli, Barxudarly,
>Barkudarly, Barkhudarly, Barxudali, Barkudali, Barkhudali, Barxudaly,
>Barkudaly, Barkhudaly
>
>The permutations are even more ridiculous for your other enclave, so
>I'd suggest looking at just:
>
>�skipara, Askipara
>
>I've received hits on a majority of these in the past. (Yuxari just
>means "upper" in Azeri - there's a "lower" Askipara as well,
>situated in Azerbaijan proper.)
>
>Both of these enclaves were occupied by Armenia in the first half of
>1992, after the start of the Nagorno-Karabakh war, and precipitating
>the tit-for-tat Azeri occupation of the Armenian exclave of Artsvashen
>in August 1992.
>
>The maps at the link Rolf gives are great, and have a scale marked on
>them that allows an eyeball estimate of area: Barxudarli ~20 sq. km.,
>Yuxari Askipara ~40 sq. km.
>
>As far as I know, neither enclave has changed its name since
>occupation. The southern Azeri exclave in Armenia used to be called
>K[schwa]rki (K�rki, Kyarki), and changed to Tigranashen in 1990,
>*before* independence and war, so I'm not sure if this new name is
>Armenian-imposed or Azeri in origin - both countries have many
>placenames ending in -shen.
>
>Although some folk in this group disagree with me, I'm sure Azatamut
>is *not* the same place as Barxudarli. The GEOnet name server data for
>Azerbaijan locate Barxudarli at 40 59 36 N 45 13 31 E. The data for
>Armenia give Azatamut at 40 58 33 N 45 11 53 E, a couple of
>kilometres to the SW. If you do a web search for Azatamut, you'll find
>it's a pretty solidly Armenian town, with election results, a dialing
>code and a campaign to attract foreign industry. So I reckon it lies
>outside the Barxudarli enclave. Certainly it's a different town.
>
>Grant
>


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