thanxx to wolfgang & peter for again advancing this so nicely
it is great to be part of a group effort
also here is a photo of the our area in between the condos
http://www.engineering.uiowa.edu/~cfd/gallery/images/hyd24
best i can tell
all luxembourg but with germany probably visible in the distance at right
it was captioned reservoir & dam nearby vianden
so it is probably the bassin inferieure facing north toward dedelulun
aka delu monument 47
at a position i think you are calling the promontory
which is thus probably situated just around the river bend to the right
most likely at the foot of the hill that rises at upper right center
& therefore presumably within the frame but hidden behind the left bank here
btw i have tried but still cant date this dam
tho a possible twin on the sauer dates from the 1960s
but since i am still pdf blind
tho luckily not for much longer
as a newer computer has recently reached here
& will soon be installed
any further clues about any of these new pdf data would still be enormously
appreciated at this late date
& i realize this is asking a lot as usual
so please excuse it
but while i am being such a beggar
how about a swatch of your map too peter
at all events
what i mainly still dont understand here
tho i agree you are wise to be happy in any case
is first why you are so lightly throwing your feudal guess out the window
& what you are discarding of it & with it
because i liked most if not all of it & what went with it
& i also wonder what if anything your doing this has to do with whether the
condo arrangement predated the 1816 monumentation &or treaty
but again this is all probably owing to my working in the dark
btw i understood this treaty was agreed in december of 1815
or are we talking about 2 different documents also
& finally
once we get the numbering straight
& regardless of whether the delu monuments might be paired anywhere
along the length of the condos
do you not agree with my guess that there will only be single monuments
marking both dedelulun & dedelulus
that is to say
19 & 47 or whatever you call them may be twinned or paired with mates on
the right bank as i believe you have indicated
but both the dedelulu twins here should turn out to be marked on their spots
by a single monument in each case
standing on the left bank only in each case
i mean
the lines between them & any right bank mates are dedelu lines rather than
dedelulu lines
but this may just be a matter of clarification rather than disagreement
anyway
please do keep dishing what you can & will
m
>
>Great stuff, Wolfgang. So, if I understand correctly, the Vianden
>land boundary is marked since 1816. It could have existed before that
>date, of course, but for now I'm happy to throw my feudal guess out
>of the window. Some other considerations here, then.
>
>Still, on my map, it is already at bdy. stone no. 19 the fun starts,
>whereas in your document you mention 26. On my map, no. 19 is at the
>river, nos. 20 and 21 at the road border crossing of the road
>Vianden - Roth an der Our, no. 24 is near something called "Les Trois
>Vierges", and nos. 25 to 31 are all around an area called Wëngerdelt.
>Is the numbering on my map wrong?
>
>No. 47 is a pair, I think, as can be seen on the map in your
>document. It is at the promontory. That one is the real tripoint, I
>think (dedelulu). The no. 47 on the right bank is "merely" a boundary
>mark on the delulu border, and of course the marker (together with
>its brother) as to where the condo starts again.
>
>Interesting is also the myriad of auxiliary border stones
>(Zwischengrenzsteine) in the bdy. stone no. 47 area.
>
>Another thing is that apart from 1816 and 1984, there is a 1930
>agreement as well, although that seems to be the formalisation of the
>situation already in existence. In 1984, something was changed.
>Something had to be changed anyway after the building of the dam
>which formed the lake.
>
>You are obviously in possession of a very interesting publication
>here, Wolfgang. Does it say anything at all on the origins of the
>Vianden border?
>
>Peter S.
>
>--- In BoundaryPoint@y..., Gartner Wolfgang <WGartner@k...> wrote:
>> hi, enclosed you will find some infos about boundary-stones on DE -
>LU
>> borderline.
>>
>> <<DELU.PDF>>
>>
>> Wolfgang Gärtner
>> c/o Carl Kliem GmbH
>> An der Hauptwache 7
>> D 60313 Frankfurt am Main
>> Telefon 49-69-9201622
>> Fax 49-69-92016312
>> Email mailto:wgartner@k...
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