Subject: Re: chnmtx chnmso aznmso
Date: Jan 06, 2004 @ 01:44
Author: acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
Prev Post in Topic Next [All Posts]
Prev Post in Time Next
> Mike,bp
>
> I'm going to select some salient points and insert my responses:
>
> You wrote:
>
> > & there may be but neednt be any amateurish approximations
> > as you have suggested elsewhere
> >
> > i think true amateurism
> > the kind we are for & about in our precision try pointing here at
> > wouldnt settle for an approximation if an exactitude wereavailable
> >think of
> > so maybe that means there is some difference in what you & i
> > as doing something for the love of ithave the
> > but thats ok too
>
> Oh, I'm all for the maximum possible precision. Whenever we don't
> resources available for absolute precision, we must approximate asprecisely as
> possible.well this was not what my point was about
> the IBWC and SOCTUS or of surveying in general can be brought tobear in
> refining our approximations. In other words, we can try to thinkhow they would
> think. Of course, if you happen to be within an easy visit to thesupreme
> headquarters of the IBWC (US Section), then you have the advantageof access to
> information necessary to attain precision.Treaty,
>
> > > That would be the correct definition of MXUS per the 1970
> > since theapply the
> > > boundary is the living middle of the channel.
> >
> > wait
> > doesnt the treaty finally say mxus is whatever the ibwc says it is
> >
> > thats what we finally have to salute here
> > dont you agree
>
> Well, the IBWC is empowered to determine the "normal flows" and to
> treaty's specifications to the landscape. It is also directed bythe treaty to
> do surveys of the river boundaries as frequently as it considersjustifiable,
> but at least every ten years, and to record the position of theboundaries as
> they then exist on maps or aerial photo mosaics. It is these thatyou should
> ask to see. They are likely published by the IBWC, and might beavailable for
> purchase at minimal cost.yes yes exactly & finally
>letter of
> > > > it would be tantamount to the marijuana passport i myself have
> > > > been wanting to create also
> > >
> > > Now, don't get too confident!
> >
> > why
> > what do you mean
>
> I simply meant that you shouldn't overestimate the power of a
> introduction from the IBWC to the Border Patrol.the
>
> > interesting
> > you can see all the way to marker 102 on the topo
> > & 3 unnumbered markers beyond it
> > presumably 103 & 104 & 105
> > but then the nmtx ceases to look geodetic & just seems to follow
> > present midchannelverdict
> > perhaps as per the courts specs
> > but this is still just a guess til we actually see the masters
>of the
> What we are missing is the Court's 1931 confirmation of the report
> Commissioner who did the survey that the Court ordered done inpursuance of the
> Special Master's detailed map. It is presumably that Commissionerwho set the
> 105 monuments. The Special Master had reported prior to theCourt's 1927
> decision, which we do have. In it, the Court found, "In theterritory in
> dispute the Rio Grande flows southwardly through a plain ofalluvial and sandy
> bottom land, composed largely of detritus, and bordered on the eastand west by
> ranges of hills. The valley is about four miles wide at thenorthern end and
> narrows gradually to a canyon or gorge at the southern end."yes & it is apparently the reliability of this gorge rather than any
>flood and move
> The court went on to explain that the shallow river would often
> around all over the plain of detritus. At the very southern end ofthe boundary
> stretch, however, the river did not move around in the gorge. Theshort gorge
> segment of the boundary was not in dispute in the case. Thus, itwould have
> been addressed by neither the Special Master nor the Commissioner.The boundary
> through the gorge is the middle of the channel as frozen in 1850,but since the
> river can't move much there, nobody has ever been bothered by thelack of
> precision. This would be the section of the river below yourpresumed monument
> 105, passing under the two railroad bridges and on to MXUS.by the IBWC
>
> Thus, the position of CHNMTX is defined by two vectors determined
> and one that has been frozen since 1850, but never preciselydemarcated in a
> formal way.
>
> Lowell G. McManus
> Leesville, Louisiana, USA