The IBRU at Durham has the Pyrenees prog fomr "Frontiers", and a copy of the
book (essays, close to the scripts, from each frontier narrator, with
photos). You can probably find the book at www.bibliofind.com
Brendan
>From: "Doug Murray" <dmurray@...>
>Reply-To: BoundaryPoint@egroups.com
>To: BoundaryPoint@egroups.com
>Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Belize-Guatemala Border (updated with fixed
>link)
>Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 21:33:56 -0000
>
>I wish I were replying from Belize, but in actual fact home is
>Vancouver, BC. I'm the guy that created the Point Roberts,
>WA/Tsawassen BC site. Anyway...
>
>I was in Mexico, Belize and Guatemala last December/January. I hope
>to be back by the time this year ends as well.
>
>I've got pictures of the BZ-MX border just south of Chetumal, MX.
>With luck, they will appear at:
>http://photos.yahoo.com/dougmurray85
>THEN select album "Belize Bits."
>There is also a small map of the border area.
>Another map is at:
>http://www.ecologic.org/belize.htm
>
>Unfortunately, I have no information on the tri-point of Mexico-
>Belize-Guatemala. I have a friend in Belize City -- I'll see if
>there is any info from down there. Is there access from Mexico?
>
>As I am a television producer (and border freak), I think next year's
>Euro-boundary journey as mentioned here would be a great video
>project!!
>
>Regarding television: the BBC did a short documentary series
>called "Frontiers" a few years ago. Does anyone have this in NTSC?
>
>More info on the Canada-US border can be found in a book
>called "Walking the Line" by Marian Botsford Fraser. Its available
>through chapter.ca .
>
>That's it for now!
>
>Doug
>
>
>
>--- In BoundaryPoint@egroups.com, michael donner <m@d...> wrote:
> > good lord doug
> > this is multi fantastic news
> >
> > & many welcomes to you in any case
> >
> > the mention of the aguas turbias terminus at the belize guatemala
>mexico
> > tri country point especially intrigues me
> > as this point is my present best shot at a personal tri country
>target
> > & the closest such tripoint to the united states
> > as well as the focal point of the detail map under glass on my
>personal
> > smoking table
> >
> > so i cant help wondering if you are posting from belize
> > &or do you have any knowledge of this point
> >
> > best regards
> > m
> >
> >
> >
> > > Some interesting events surrounding the Belize/Guatemala
>border...
> > >The first 3 stories from Belize's "The Reporter" newspaper. The
>final one
> > >from Channel 5 Belize Television. ***Milestone agreement for
>Belize
> > >and GuatemalaThe Organization of American State Permanent Council
>this
> > >week approved aresolution, proposed by delegations from both
>Guatemala
> > >and Belize forfurther confidence-building measures over the
>ongoing
> > >territorial dispute.Assad Shoman, Senior Ambassador with
>ministerial rank
> > >represented Belizeduring a session of the OAS Permanent Council
>held on
> > >Wednesday, November8, at the OAS headquarters in Washington
> > >D.C.Representing Guatemala was its foreign minister Gabriel
>(Orellana
> > >Rojas.Both men signed an agreement to adopt a comprehensive set
> > >ofconfidence-building measures to avoid further incidents between
>the
> > >twocountries.OAS Secretary General Cesar Gaviria, congratulated
>both
> > >countries for themilestone agreement their delegation has reached
>so far
> > >in their quest fora peaceful settlement over the dispute." This
>is a very
> > >significant step that clears the way for the negotiationson the
>substance
> > >of the differendum to be addressed in a climate of
>mutualconfidence and
> > >tranquility for both governments and for the people livingin the
>area. It
> > >faithfully reflects the commitment of both parties to theprocess
>and
> > >their will for peace," Secretary General Gaviria said.Based on the
> > >proposal, the OAS went ahead and approved a resolution
>thatsupports the
> > >process of negotiation. It has also established a special fundto
>support
> > >the negotiation by financing the costs of the work of the panelof
> > >facilitators in the dialogue." The decision of the Permanent
>Council
> > >underlines the commitment of theOAS to continue promoting and
>supporting
> > >the peaceful resolution ofdisputes between member states," Gaviria
> > >said.***BDF in morale crisisCommandant designate dismisses
>internal
> > >gripesGuatemala's continuous unfounded claim to Belizean soil
>along with
> > >reportsof serious tension among its ranks, is causing great
>concern for
> > >the menand women in the Belize Defence Force."We are suffering in
> > >silence. There is a serious situation that we have todeal with
>from the
> > >outside, as well as serious internal problems thatcontinue to go
> > >unnoticed with-in the BDF," said one of two high ranking
>BDFofficers and a
> > >private who Reporter interviewed this week."Our soldiers are
>sitting on a
> > >time bomb. There is frustration anddisappointment on a day-to-day
>basis.
> > >There will come a point when oursoldiers, out of frustration, will
>show
> > >absolutely no respect to us at thesenior level, and unfortunately
>nothing
> > >is being done to address theseproblems," expressed a calm but
>serious top
> > >BDF officer.The tension, they said, became even more intense
>after the
> > >apprehension byGuatemalan soldiers, of three of their soldiers and
>a
> > >police officer inFebruary of this year. "Border patrols were
>suspended
> > >after the apprehension of the four securitypersonnel. After these
>men were
> > >freed on bail in Guatemala, they jumpedbail and returned to
>Belize. The
> > >decision to have them jump bail, couldescalate into serious impact
>on our
> > >soldiers who are patrolling theBelize/Guatemalan borderline."Our
>soldiers
> > >are patrolling in fear, as a result of this situation. Theyare
>greatly
> > >concerned that should they come across a platoon of
>Guatemalansoldiers,
> > >which numbers forty strong and who are well equipped
>withammunition, it
> > >is likely that they could be easily overpowered and takeninto
>Guatemala,
> > >with the high possibility of being charged and jailed," onetop
>official
> > >said.Commandant designate of the BDF, Colonel Cedrick Borland,
>refuted
> > >theseallegations and painted a rosier picture of what he
>described as
> > >progressin the BDF. He conceded that there exist certain threats
>along
> > >the borderline.Colonel Borland said that the training which the
>soldiers
> > >go throughrequires them to achieve a certain level of readiness.
>He said
> > >that thereis a refresher's course that soldiers participate in,
>and this
> > >keeps themup with certain standard."Our soldiers have been
>trained to
> > >deal with these situations and trainingis a continuous process to
>ensure
> > >that our soldiers are kept in the higheststandard," Col. Borland
>said.The
> > >soldiers meanwhile expressed concern that they have been placed in
> > >ahostile environment.And with the lack of necessary technical
>support,
> > >due to limited resources,no systematic plans are in place should
>they
> > >encounter a situation with theaggressive Guatemalan
>military."There is
> > >only one vehicle in operation for the BDF base in Toledo.
>AtTreetop,
> > >there are eight of us, and another group are out on patrol.
>Howare we
> > >going to be assisted should an incident or accident occur if
>thatonly
> > >vehicle is not available? There is not even a backup system in
>place,"one
> > >explained.Col. Borland refuted this claim, stating that there are
>two
> > >vehiclesavailable at Fairweather Camp.Another problem cited is
>the lack
> > >of communication in the BDF. Soldierssaid they are rarely
>informed of new
> > >developments in the BDF. "We usuallyhear of these developments
>through
> > >the media. We were never informed of theappointment of a new
>commandant.
> > >We were never told that the Guatemalanswere very upset over the
>removal
> > >of the flag from Santa Rosa," one of thetop official said.As to
>the
> > >removal of the flag from the school in Santa Rosa, the
>soldierssaid that
> > >they had to remove the flag during nighttime, when the
>villagerswere
> > >already in their homes.One soldier says that just recently they
>came
> > >across an illegal Guatemalansettlement in an area known as
>Retiro, in the
> > >Cayo district. When theyapproached the settlers and informed them
>that
> > >they have to return toGuatemala, the settlers told them boldly
>that they
> > >were not moving, unlessthey are told by the Guatemalan military
>to do so.
> > >"These settlers arestill there," he said.The soldiers also
>complained of
> > >living in deplorable conditions and of thedisrespect shown them
>by the
> > >Ministry of National Security.Col. Borland was more optimism in
>the BDF,
> > >and said that there is goodcommunication within the BDF. He said
>that
> > >much improvement has been takingplace at the Fairweather Camp and
>the two
> > >observation posts in the ToledoDistrict.****A Big Thing!Guatemala
>claims
> > >Belize disrespectful of her flagGuatemala is making a big thing
>over the
> > >actions of the BDF in taking downa Guatemalan flag which was
>being flown
> > >at an illegal settlement withinBelizean borders.The Guatemalan
> > >squatters were told to leave and the flag was removed. Itwas later
> > >delivered over to the Guatemalan Embassy in Belize City.The
>Prensa Libre
> > >newspaper of Sunday, November 5 reports what happenedlater.
>President
> > >Portillo organized a Flag Tribute ceremony with militaryguard of
>honour
> > >and senior members of the government, including ForeignMinister
> > >Orellana.The dignitaries at the ceremony included the Presidents
>of the
> > >Judiciaryand the Legislature, Hugo Maul Figueroa and Efrain Rios
>Montt.
> > >The flag wasturned over to the Minister of Defence, Juan de Dios
>Estrada,
> > >whosubsequently delivered it to the Minister of Education, Mario
> > >Torres.Torres is to attend a flag-raising ceremony at the opening
>of the
> > >newschool year (2001) for students of Santa Rosa School in Peten.
>The
> > >ceremonyis to be accompanied by a 21-gun salute.Orellana said
>during a
> > >speech he made on this occasion that it was sheerinsanity to
>pretend to
> > >stain the honour of the Guatemalan flag.He said that Guatemala was
> > >sending a message to Belize and to the worldthat Guatemala would
>defend
> > >her homeland ("su tierra y su hogar")!Orellana added: "The
>government of
> > >Belize realized the error it hadcommitted, and in response to the
>just
> > >Guatemalan protest, had returnedthe patriotic
>symbol."Ambassador Jorge
> > >Skinner Klee made a special trip from Belize to take theflag back
>to
> > >Guatemala. He handed it over to President Alfonso Portillo.The
>elaborate
> > >ceremony was held at the Guatemalan Air Force base in
> > >thecapital.Ambassador Skinner Klee also took the opportunity
>while in
> > >Guatemala toreport that his Embassy in Belize had received a bomb
>threat.
> > >He said alsothat the consulate in Belize had been the target
>of "criminal
> > >acts", namelyrobberies involving the property of Guatemalan
>diplomats.The
> > >Prensa Libre notes that Guatemala is claiming 12.272 square
>kilometersof
> > >land from Belize.It provided no details as to what part of the
>country
> > >the Guatemalans now want.Prensa Libre reported also that during
>the last
> > >three years, incursions bythe Belize military have intensified
>against
> > >settlements in the provinceof Peten.***From Channel 5: Details
>released
> > >of Belize-Guatemala agreement
> > >More details have become available on the agreement signed
>Wednesday
> > >between Belize and Guatemala. The twelve point document, signed
>at OAS
> > >headquarters in Washington D.C., deals solely with confidence
>building
> > >measures that will be undertaken by both countries along their
>common
> > >border.
> > >Article one lays the groundwork by stipulating that the measures
>outlined
> > >in the document are temporary for the purpose of easing tensions
>and do
> > >not prejudice any claims to sovereignty by either country over any
> > >territory, now or in the future.
> > >Article two states that unless extended by mutual agreement, these
> > >measures expire on August thirty-first, 2001.
> > >Article three, while noting one and two, specifies recognition of
>what is
> > >called an "adjacency line." Coincidentally, this adjacency line
>exactly
> > >follows the traditional borderline from Gracias a Dios in the
>south to
> > >Garbutt's Falls and Aguas Turbias in the north. Use of the line,
>however,
> > >does not imply that it represents an international boundary.
> > >Under article four, the parties agree to identify all existing
>markers and
> > >survey the line. They will also identify all settlements within one
> > >kilometre on each side.
> > >Article five specifies that this two kilometre wide swath of land
>shall be
> > >called the "adjacency zone."
> > >Article six, the real meat of the agreement, deals with how things
>will be
> > >run in the adjacency zone, namely: all settlements which existed
>in the
> > >zone as of October first of this year shall remain undisturbed,
>save for
> > >marijuana farms. Those settlements established after October
>first and
> > >lie east of the line may be removed by the Belize Government,
>using a set
> > >procedure. All settlers in the zone prior to October first will be
> > >identified and their nationality documented. Any Guatemalans
>residing on
> > >the Belize side of the line and any Belizeans on the Guatemalan
>side will
> > >be issued a license to stay and are bound to respect the laws of
>the
> > >country on the particular side of the line where they reside.
> > >Additionally, Guatemala will undertake a campaign to dissuade its
> > >citizens from settling to the east of the adjacency line, and at
>the same
> > >time the two countries' military forces will co-ordinate their
>activities
> > >in the area.
> > >Articles seven through eleven obligate the two countries to promote
> > >community contacts across the line, facilitate traffic and meet
>regularly
> > >to avoid conflicts. These measures will include the prevention of
> > >incidents, which could cause tension, and the formulation of
>plans for a
> > >response to natural disasters.
> > >Finally, article twelve asks the parties to monitor the confidence
> > >building measures and work together to resolve any problems. If
>that
> > >proves difficult, then any contentious issues should be referred
>to the
> > >two facilitators who may, if they wish, ask the OAS to appoint a
> > >fact-finding mission.
> > >The facilitator for Belize is Sir Shridath Ramphal, while
>Guatemala has
> > >appointed Paul Reichler. The agreement was signed in Washington,
>D.C. by
> > >Belizean Ambassador Assad Shoman and Guatemalan Foreign Minister
>Gabriel
> > >Orellana.
> > >
> > >Cheers!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Doug
> > >
> > >
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