Subject: Re: divided islands-an answer
Date: Apr 28, 2001 @ 14:49
Author: Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
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That is exactly what they are. See messages 1936, 1948 (the link to
Statens Kartverk) and 1952.

The symbolism of good neighbourhood Peter H. mentions is another sign
we are not dealing with a boundary drawn without knowing what is in
the way. It is interesting to read in the Descheemaeker article that
at first, the Scandinavian solution was considered for the Ile de la
Conference, actually dividing the island between Spain and France,
but that in the end the condominium solution was chosen, because this
was seen to be a continuation of the de facto situation, where the
island was used for international conferences and similar meetings
for which you need ground that is more or less 'neutral'.

So the Ile de la Conference can be considered a very big boundary
marker, in function similar to the St. Martins Stone (also a place
where international treaties are concluded or renewed).

A real symbol not only of the dividing nature of boundaries, but also
of being good neighbours.

And another thing: "conflicts over ownership make no sense", like
Peter H. said, says a lot about the Scandinavians themselves; more
often you hear retorics about "not one inch of the holy ground of our
fathers will be yielded" in the rest of the world!

Peter S.

--- In BoundaryPoint@y..., David Mark <dmark@g...> wrote:
> Are the divided islands in Scandanavia TURNING POINTS in the
boundaries?
> With the precise turning point at the peak or center of the
island? If
> so, Peter's boundary marker theory seems obviously correct.
>
> But if the boundary is a straight line cutting the island, it can be
> hardly anything other than a co-incidence.
>
> Islands cut by boundaries can be expected anywhere that a fiat
boundary,
> drawn on a map without knowing the details on the ground, crosses a
region
> that contains islands. Lakes with islands are relatively rare on a
global
> scale, most of them are in glaciated areas: Scandanavia and Canada
and the
> former Soviet Union. Fiat boundaries should divide islands by chance
> mainly in those regions.
>
> David
>
> On Sat, 28 Apr 2001, Peter Hering wrote:
>
> > Hi Arif,
> > concerning divided islands in Scandinavia,
> > this is my guess:
> > 1- they act as boundary markers - easy to
> > see, instead of buoys...
> > 2- since most of Scandinavian border regions
> > are inhabited by only very few people,
> > conflicts over ownership make no sense...
> > 3- they symbolize good neighbourhood!
> >
> > Anyway, Jesper and I are planning a short
> > 2 day expedition to the southern part of the
> > SeNo border and plant BoundaryPoint's flag
> > on these islands - wanna come...?!?
> > Regards - good weekend
> > Peter H.
> >
> > -------Original Message-------
> >
> > From: Arif Samad
> > Date: Friday, April 27, 2001 23:49:57
> > To: BoundaryPoint@y...
> > Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Indian mess - French to blame?
> >
> > Brendan, Thank you for the research. I guess
> > Goretty disappeared as an enclave at some time. I
> > have not been able to find the 1991 census handbook,
> > so you are definitely more current.
> > I should have rephrased my question on divided
> > islands. I noticed there are other islands that are
> > divided, but the big islands mentioned were divided
> > with full knowledge of colonial consequences. They
> > are big islands that had to be divided as different
> > groups were in control of parts before the islands
> > were eventually divided and the division couldn't be
> > circumvented. Only US-Canada and Scandinavian borders
> > seem to divide tiny islands that could easily be
> > circumnavigated by the boundary lines. I wonder why
> > that is. Mike's explanation makes a lot of sense
> > though. Then again, all of them could just be
> > mistakes.
> > Brendan, don't you have the points for Baarle?
> > Maybe you could create excel charts of the small
> > enclaves in Baarle like ones done for Cyprus.
> > Arif
> >
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