Subject: RE: [BoundaryPoint] nsw sa vic & almstn
Date: Apr 19, 2001 @ 02:22
Author: Jack Parsell ("Jack Parsell" <jparsell@...>)
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michael,
From the tripoint go about 9 miles upstream (southeast) along  Lauderdale, AL - Tishamingo, MS
counties to where the AL-MS line heads south. Now note the county markings south on the AL-MS
line and east on the Lauderdale-Colbert county line.  They've got a Tishimingo label over in AL.
jack
-----Original Message-----
From: michael donner [mailto:m@...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 7:55 PM
To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [BoundaryPoint] nsw sa vic & almstn

jack  that is odd

you seem to be referring to the fragment brendan was talking about just up
inside the mouth of bear creek there
but i am not positive you are
nor that i even see the error

it only seems to me that the 25k map so clearly labels the counties right
there on the fragment  that the 100k map seems oblivious of them by
comparison

but i think it is more of an illusion than it is a real mistake
since maps generally assume the reader will associate counties with the
states they are in & vice versa

but maybe i still havent found the place you mean

& i suppose there is a possibility one or the other of these 1984 maps are
reflecting a boundary change made subsequent to the 1976 bus&ss descriptions

so i wonder if you can help me to see it better if i did miss it

m


ps
also please forgive the errors i introduced on page vi of your book
as you probably also realize by now

i meant well

but as i recently learned
crown waters can indeed be provincial just as well as federal

only we still dont know for sure yet exactly which are which



>    Michael,  For an  interesting sidenote to your discussion on almstn,
>go southeast, upriver, from  the tripoint. Note  the map labelling error
>where Tishamingo County, MS meets Colbert County,  AL.  There is  a
>section of the 1:100000 map  where both Tishamingo and Colbert are applied
>to  the same area. The  1:25000 map does not have this error. Jack
>   -----Original Message-----From: michael donner (by way of    jane
>capellaro <j@...>)    [mailto:m@...]Sent: Tuesday,
>April 17, 2001 2:36    PMTo: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.comSubject:
>[BoundaryPoint] nsw sa vic & almstngood of you to
>  dish these data & map  brendanthey really are worth
>  savoringthis is pickwick tva dam lake 1937it looks like the
>  usgs rightly feels responsible for preserving the memoryof these boundary
>  making river banksbut couldnt quite finish the job at the mouth of yellow
>  creekwhere we are left to deduce how your six 4pole chains aka 396 feet
>  fit inupriver of the invisible creek confluence & visible mstn
>  linebut i have checked it out & you are rightalso my own
>  further digging has just revealed a very simple & very dumbsolution to
>  the whole problembus&ss says the code of alabama saysaltn runs
>  westward along the southern boundary of tncrossing the tennessee
>  river   & then  peculiarly  but
>  verbatim&  on  to  second  intersection
>  of  said  river  by  said  linethe original
>  intention of & reason for this reference to the secondintersection was
>  obviously owing to the fact that the tennessee rivercrosses the 35th
>  parallel twice   first near algatn & again at almstnbut
>  the wording can also be perversely read in this case to refer only tothe
>  second or lower of these two crossingswhere the second intersection of the
>  river by the line could then only meanthe left or western banksince
>  the first intersection of the river by the line there could only
>  haveoccurred at its right or eastern bankof course  i
>  know  every place a shape is intersected by a line  there
>  arereally two line intersections  both occurring along the outline of
>  the shapebut i doubt this geometric construction was ever intended by
>  anyone& so i would guess that it was only the happenchance of such
>  a perversereading that has more than anything else encouraged the altn
>  boundary tocontinue westward across the river & then  for lack of
>  any better clue  toscamper up the left bank to almstn without
>  disturbance or serious objectionfrom anyone but mein any
>  caseattached below is a pic of our trusty local informant & pilot
>  horace yearberturning about on the tristate pointwith the camera
>  pointing northwest to the rather impressive lake house ofloretta
>  lynn   closest resident to almstnwhich stands very near the
>  first yellow creek left bank benchmark on the topobut for my
>  moneyalmstn is not so much a point as a gap or hole in
>  realitymps to davidbear creek & the fragment are
>  farther up the tennessee riverjust where the alms survey line comes up
>  from the south>>Interesting. Both the TnMs and TnAl
>  lines were menat to be at the 35th>parallel. But the Ms leg was defined
>  "from a point on the west bank of the>Tennessee River four six-pole
>  chains south, or above Yellow Creek... and>then ran west. This line was
>  slightly south of the 35th. IN Al, the estimate>of where the 35th was
>  was made near Elk River, in the middle of the AlTn>line. It was then
>  run east and west of thatp oint, but has a slight angling>to the NW and
>  SE, such that it is south of the 35th at the Ga border, and>north of
>  the 35th at the Ms border.>So instead of the two lines of southern Tn
>  meeting at the 35th, the Ms part>is a little south and the Al part al
>  ittle norht, fo a total error of about>a mil,e north south. Given that
>  the west bank of the Tn form the AlMs line>to the south, continuing the
>  line along the bank north seems reasonable,>rather than drawing a
>  straight line. A line diagonally across the river fomr>one bank to the
>  other would also seem logical, if out of keeping with NS and>EW
>  american lines, though looking again at themap, it would have been
>  more>NS than the current line following the river slightly W of
>  N.>>So who defined this 1 mile extra leg, and when? Is it
>  statuted?>>That theriver here has been dammed (when?) means the
>  line is no longer on a>bank, and created a little fragment of Al on the
>  Ms side of the line south>from Bear Ck, which was once no doubt all
>  land, and not lake.>>Interesitng that the USGS maps show the
>  original river banks down the>middleof the 
>lake.>>http://www.topozone.com/map.aspz=16&n=3870203&e=389129&size=l&symshow=n>
>>BW>
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