Subject: daily caus line<br/>
Date: Sep 09, 2000 @ 17:22<br/>
Author: michael donner (michael donner &lt;m@...&gt;)<br/>
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<div id="ygrps-yiv-1983976794">in view of the lingering uncertainties about the status of many canadian<br/>
american tripoints  some comprehensive reassessment of them is long overdue<br/>
<br/>
& yet such a try will surely also be premature in relation to the<br/>
additional new information that is imminently expected<br/>
<br/>
but ongoing revision is likely to be necessary for a long time to come anyway<br/>
so no harm  & hopefully some benefit  in the following full inspection tour<br/>
which already contains many new observations & surprises since yesterday<br/>
<br/>
i confess i have been trying to ignore this topic & have kept my head in<br/>
the sand about it for as long as possible because it has been very<br/>
inconvenient & i know some parts of it or even all of it is not<br/>
particularly palatable to several of us  but it already seems like the cat<br/>
is out of the bag  with nothing for us to do about it but face up to<br/>
whatever we find the truth to be here<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
international trisubdivisional points of the united states & canada<br/>
progressing generally westward from atlantic to pacific & northward to arctic<br/>
<br/>
confirmed<br/>
01 cameus   canada maine united states<br/>
            at 3 mile limit in grand manan channel<br/>
            approx 1 mi se of 44n7958 x 66w9428<br/>
            no known visits<br/>
<br/>
confirmed<br/>
02 camenb<br/>
or camenbs  canada maine new brunswick  south<br/>
            at navigational & tidal head of st croix river<br/>
            between calais me & st stephen nb<br/>
            formerly named crmenb<br/>
            in midstream at tip of white water<br/>
            class c visit recorded<br/>
<br/>
doubtful<br/>
0a camenbn  canada maine new brunswick north<br/>
            at n terminus of menb survey line<br/>
              where it meets r bank of st john river at mlw<br/>
            between grand falls nb & hamlin me<br/>
              & very near ne corner of me<br/>
            grand falls just below probably disqualify it<br/>
              by ruling out federal waters<br/>
<br/>
probable<br/>
03 menbqc   maine new brunswick quebec<br/>
            in beau lake of st francis river<br/>
              where nbqc survey line meets caus survey line<br/>
            falls below probably do qualify it<br/>
              by ruling out federal waters<br/>
            class c or b visit recorded<br/>
<br/>
excluded<br/>
00 canbqc   canada new brunswick quebec<br/>
            not intl but possibly a 33rd internal canadian<br/>
            at w terminus of nbqc survey line<br/>
              where it meets l bank of beau lake<br/>
            falls below probably disqualify it tho<br/>
              by ruling out federal waters<br/>
            class c or b visit attributed<br/>
<br/>
doubtful<br/>
0b cameqc   canada maine quebec<br/>
            at ne terminus of meqc survey line<br/>
              where it meets r bank of st francis river<br/>
            falls below probably disqualify it tho<br/>
              by ruling out federal waters<br/>
<br/>
confirmed<br/>
04 menhqc   maine new hampshire quebec<br/>
            dry<br/>
            class a visit recorded<br/>
<br/>
confirmed<br/>
05 nhqcvt   new hampshire quebec vermont<br/>
            in halls stream  unnavigable<br/>
            class b visit recorded<br/>
<br/>
probable<br/>
06 caqcvt   canada quebec vermont<br/>
            at w terminus of qcvt survey line<br/>
              where it meets r bank of richelieu river<br/>
            nw of alburg vt<br/>
            navigation extended by the chambly canal<br/>
            class d visit known<br/>
<br/>
probable<br/>
07 canyvt   canada new york vermont<br/>
            where caus survey line meets nyvt boundary end<br/>
            in middle of lake champlain of richelieu river<br/>
            navigation extended by the chambly canal<br/>
            class d visit recorded<br/>
<br/>
probable<br/>
08 canyqce  canada new york quebec  east<br/>
            at e terminus of nyqc survey line<br/>
              where it meets l bank of richelieu river<br/>
            ne of rouses point ny<br/>
            navigation extended by the chambly canal<br/>
            class d visit known<br/>
<br/>
probable<br/>
09 canyqcw  canada new york quebec  west<br/>
            at w terminus of nyqc survey line<br/>
              where it meets r bank of st lawrence river<br/>
            at akwesasne mohawk capital st regis qc<br/>
            class c visit recorded<br/>
<br/>
excluded<br/>
00 nyonqc   new york ontario quebec<br/>
            once thought to exist in mid st lawrence<br/>
              probably precluded by federal waters<br/>
<br/>
excluded<br/>
00 canyone  canada new york quebec  east<br/>
            precluded by federal waters<br/>
<br/>
probable<br/>
10 canyonn  canada new york ontario  north<br/>
            at r bank of mouth of niagara river<br/>
              unnavigable from falls to mouth<br/>
            unexpected location<br/>
            class d visit known<br/>
<br/>
uncertain<br/>
11 canyons  canada new york ontario  south<br/>
            at r bank of head of niagara river<br/>
              or its end of navigation above falls<br/>
            unexpected & uncertain location<br/>
            no known visits<br/>
<br/>
probable<br/>
12 canypa   canada new york pennsylvania<br/>
            in east central lake erie<br/>
            formerly construed as nyonpa<br/>
            no known visits<br/>
<br/>
probable<br/>
13 caohpa   canada ohio pennsylvania<br/>
            near middle of lake erie<br/>
            formerly construed as ohonpa<br/>
            no known visits<br/>
<br/>
probable<br/>
14 camioh   canada michigan ohio<br/>
            in western lake erie<br/>
            formerly construed as miohon<br/>
            no known visits<br/>
<br/>
probable<br/>
15 camimn   canada michigan minnesota<br/>
            in western lake superior<br/>
            formerly construed as mimnon<br/>
            no known visits<br/>
<br/>
excluded<br/>
00 mbmnon   manitoba minnesota ontario<br/>
            once thought to exist at mnn<br/>
              very probably precluded by federal waters<br/>
              & effectively replaced by 16 cambmne<br/>
<br/>
excluded<br/>
but<br/>
definite<br/>
00 cambon   canada manitoba ontario<br/>
            at head of navigation in northwest inlet creek<br/>
            very probable 33rd or 34th internal canadian tripoint<br/>
<br/>
probable<br/>
16 cambmne  canada manitoba minnesota  east<br/>
            at n terminus of meridional mbmn survey line<br/>
              where it meets r bank of northwest inlet creek<br/>
            no known visits<br/>
<br/>
probable<br/>
17 cambmnw  canada manitoba minnesota  west<br/>
            at w terminus of parallel mbmn survey line<br/>
              where it meets r bank of red river<br/>
            presuming navigability<br/>
            no known visits<br/>
<br/>
probable<br/>
18 camnnd   canada minnesota north dakota<br/>
            where mnnd boundary meets caus boundary<br/>
            presuming navigability<br/>
            formerly construed mbmnnd<br/>
            no known visits<br/>
<br/>
probable<br/>
19 cambnd   canada manitoba north dakota<br/>
            at e terminus of mbnd survey line<br/>
              where it meets l bank of red river<br/>
            presuming navigability<br/>
            no known visits<br/>
<br/>
confirmed<br/>
20 mbndsk   manitoba north dakota saskatchewan<br/>
            dry<br/>
            probably visited & photographed<br/>
<br/>
confirmed<br/>
21 mtndsk   montana north dakota saskatchewan<br/>
            dry<br/>
            probably visited & photographed<br/>
<br/>
confirmed<br/>
22 abmtsk   alberta montana saskatchewan<br/>
            dry<br/>
            probably visited & photographed<br/>
<br/>
confirmed<br/>
23 abbcmt   alberta british columbia montana<br/>
            dry & remote<br/>
            possibly visited & photographed<br/>
<br/>
confirmed<br/>
24 bcidmt   british columbia idaho montana<br/>
            dry<br/>
            probably visited & photographed<br/>
<br/>
confirmed<br/>
25 bcidwa   british columbia idaho washington<br/>
            dry<br/>
            probably visited & photographed<br/>
<br/>
doubtful<br/>
00 bccawae  british columbia canada washington  east &<br/>
00 bccawaw                                      west<br/>
00 &or any similar possibilities<br/>
            if a river like the columbia is navigable at caus<br/>
<br/>
confirmed<br/>
26 bccawae  british columbia canada washington  east<br/>
            at easternmost coastal transit of bcwa survey line<br/>
              between white rock bc & blaine wa<br/>
            no known recorded visits<br/>
<br/>
probable<br/>
27 causwa1  canada united states washington  easternmost<br/>
            at 3 mile limit west of blaine wa<br/>
            no known visits<br/>
<br/>
probable<br/>
28 causwa2  canada united states washington  second<br/>
            at 3 mile limit east of point roberts<br/>
            no known visits<br/>
<br/>
confirmed<br/>
29 bccawam  british columbia canada washington  middle<br/>
            at median coastal transit of bcwa survey line<br/>
              at east side of point roberts<br/>
            no known recorded visits<br/>
<br/>
confirmed<br/>
30 bccawaw  british columbia canada washington  west<br/>
            at westernmost coastal transit of bcwa survey line<br/>
              at west side of point roberts<br/>
            no known recorded visits<br/>
<br/>
probable<br/>
31 causwa3  canada united states washington  third<br/>
            at 3 mile limit west of point roberts<br/>
            no known visits<br/>
<br/>
probable<br/>
32 causwa4  canada united states washington  fourth<br/>
            at 3 mile limit nw of patos island<br/>
            no known visits<br/>
<br/>
probable<br/>
33 causwa5  canada united states washington  fifth<br/>
            at 3 mile limit nw of waldron island<br/>
            no known visits<br/>
<br/>
probable<br/>
34 causwa6  canada united states washington  sixth<br/>
            at 3 mile limit ne of stuart island<br/>
            no known visits<br/>
<br/>
probable<br/>
35 causwa7  canada united states washington  seventh<br/>
            at 3 mile limit sw of pike pt on san juan island<br/>
            no known visits<br/>
<br/>
disputed<br/>
36 akcaus1  alaska canada united states  first<br/>
            at 3 mile limit sw of cape muzon on dali island<br/>
            only if canadian claim is sustained<br/>
<br/>
disputed<br/>
37 akcaus2  alaska canada united states  second<br/>
            at 3 mile limit east of cape muzon on dali island<br/>
            only if canadian claim is sustained<br/>
<br/>
disputed<br/>
38 akcaus3  alaska canada united states  third<br/>
            at 3 mile limit sw of cape chacon on prince of wales island<br/>
            only if canadian claim is sustained<br/>
<br/>
disputed<br/>
39 akcaus4  alaska canada united states  fourth<br/>
            at 3 mile limit se of cape chacon on prince of wales island<br/>
            only if canadian claim is sustained<br/>
<br/>
disputed<br/>
but<br/>
probable<br/>
40 akcaus5  alaska canada united states  fifth<br/>
            at 3 mile limit sw of the lord islands<br/>
              exact position depending on which claim is sustained<br/>
note<br/>
to complicate things even further in this vicinity<br/>
there are 2 water areas claimed neither by canada nor the united states<br/>
yet situated partly or entirely within 3nm of alaska<br/>
so additional strange tripoints could result<br/>
<br/>
disputed &<br/>
unlikely<br/>
00 akcaus6  alaska canada united states  sixth<br/>
00 akcaus7                               seventh<br/>
            at 3 mile limit se of lord islands<br/>
            only if american claim is sustained & 3nm limit is reached<br/>
              both of which contingencies are in doubt<br/>
<br/>
disputed<br/>
00 akcaus8  alaska canada united states  eighth<br/>
            at 3 mile limit sw of garnet pt on kanagunut island<br/>
            only if american claim is sustained<br/>
<br/>
disputed<br/>
00 akcaus9  alaska canada united states  ninth<br/>
            at 3 mile limit se of garnet pt on kanagunut island<br/>
            only if american claim is sustained<br/>
<br/>
note<br/>
while 40akcaus5 above seems inevitable whatever the outcome<br/>
& similarly 46akcaus10 below<br/>
regarding the other 8 numbered akcaus tripoints above<br/>
generally either akcaus1&2&3&4 or akcaus6&7&8&9 will be sustained<br/>
  but of these perhaps only akcaus8&9 will ultimately survive<br/>
  producing a possible reduction of 2 points in the total count<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
probable<br/>
41 akbccas  alaska british columbia canada  south<br/>
            near head of portland canal<br/>
              between hyder ak & stewart bc<br/>
            no known visits<br/>
<br/>
probable<br/>
42 akbccam  alaska british columbia canada  middle<br/>
            at left side of tarr inlet west of haines ak<br/>
              where glacier has receded admitting new coastal waters<br/>
            no known visits<br/>
<br/>
probable<br/>
43 akbccan  alaska british columbia canada  north<br/>
            at right side of tarr inlet west of haines ak<br/>
              where glacier has receded admitting new coastal waters<br/>
            no known visits<br/>
<br/>
confirmed<br/>
44 akbcyt   alaska british columbia yukon territory<br/>
            at w terminus of bcyt survey line<br/>
              where it meets the caus boundary<br/>
            dry point on glacier<br/>
            no known visits<br/>
<br/>
doubtful<br/>
00 akcayts  alaska canada yukon territory  south &<br/>
00 akcaytn                                 north<br/>
00 &or any similar possibilities<br/>
            if a river like the yukon is navigable at caus<br/>
<br/>
confirmed<br/>
45 akcayt   alaska canada yukon territory<br/>
            at n terminus of akyt survey line<br/>
              where it meets beaufort sea<br/>
            just east of gordon ak<br/>
            no known visits<br/>
<br/>
confirmed<br/>
46 akcaus10 alaska canada united states  ninth<br/>
            at 3  mile limit north or nne of gordon ak<br/>
              depending on which claim is sustained<br/>
            no known visits<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
thus 46 now seems the most probable caus line total<br/>
  but it is still far from certain<br/>
with probably 10 to 14 visits already accomplished<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
at the same time 12 remains the most probable total of mexican american<br/>
international trisubdivisional points<br/>
comprising the 8 literal tristate points normally cited<br/>
plus 2 mexican federal beach points<br/>
& 2 american federal waters points<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
in addition this exercise has resulted in the unexpected discovery of 1 or<br/>
2 new domestic canadian tripoints associated with & very near the caus<br/>
boundary<br/>
a fact which may bring the total of this set up to 33 or 34<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
thus updated nafta supertotals are<br/>
ca   34 internal<br/>
caus 46 international<br/>
us   83 internal<br/>
mxus 12 international<br/>
mx      internal<br/>
          maybe next  but what a challenge that will be</div>