Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] a tangent about americas forgotten exclaves
Date: Aug 22, 2000 @ 18:15
Author: David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
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On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, michael donner wrote:
> thanxx to information provided by boundarypoint member arif samad &
> http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=40.6973&lon=-74.041&s=50&size=s
> it is now possible to glimpse online a pair of smaller yet still great new
> york classmates of the kentucky bend exclave observed by david in message
> 216
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> the statue of liberty monument & historic immigration hub have made liberty
> & ellis islands famous as outlying islands of the state & county & city of
> new york
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> but they are actually situated quite far from the rest of new york & indeed
> lie just off the new jersey shore of the broad hudson estuary
>
> the map while for some reason not actually depicting them as exclaves
> does at least make it clear from the position of the njny interstate
> boundary that both islands lie within the territorial waters of new jersey
>
> being thus embedded within nj qualifies these exclaves as true enclaves as well
>
> & they are it seems the only such entirely reciprocal discontinuities of
> the united states
>
> in this regard they are unlike the kentucky bend exclave
> which is not an enclave because not surrounded by any other single state
> as you can also see on the detail map at
> http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat+36.5058&lon=-89.4344&s=200&size=s
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> still it is noteworthy that the separation of kentucky bend from the rest
> of kentucky is what gave rise to the 2 extra tristate points there
> which that exclave appears to rest upon or between
> unlike liberty or ellis island which have & need no tripoints to sustain them
>
> & it is possible to see in these 2 distinct types of fully surrounded
> exclaves the general rule for such areas
> namely that the fully reciprocal or enclavic type of exclave does not
> produce any tripoints
> while the nonreciprocal or nonenclavic type normally produces an extra pair
> of tripoints
>
> also notably
> it was almost precisely between these 2 extra kentucky bend or lower kymotn
> tripoints & thus all around the exclave itself that the mississippi river
> was reported to have run backwards during the great new madrid earthquakes
> of 1811
>
> so it really is difficult to say which member of the grand american exclave
> triad is the most illustrious
> whether forgotten or not
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