Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] a tangent about americas forgotten exclaves
Date: Aug 22, 2000 @ 18:15
Author: David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
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By a May 26 1998 ruling of the US Supreme Court, Ellis Island is now
divided between two states. New York retains only about 5 acres (including
the main building) and New Jersey getting the remainder of the 27.5 acre
island. See
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/news/nation-world/html98/altscoa_052698.html
So there is now a dry-land exclave of NY within NJ, although I do not know
whether the NY portion of Ellis Island touches the shore. Basically, I
think that the Supreme Court award the land that was the original Ellis
Island to NY, but all the landfill around that original island to NJ.
Making it further interesting, the Federal Government of the US owns the
entire island. For more on the story, also see
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/law/jan-june98/ellis_1-12.html

David
dmark@...

On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, michael donner wrote:

> thanxx to information provided by boundarypoint member arif samad &
> http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=40.6973&lon=-74.041&s=50&size=s
> it is now possible to glimpse online a pair of smaller yet still great new
> york classmates of the kentucky bend exclave observed by david in message
> 216
>
> the statue of liberty monument & historic immigration hub have made liberty
> & ellis islands famous as outlying islands of the state & county & city of
> new york
>
> but they are actually situated quite far from the rest of new york & indeed
> lie just off the new jersey shore of the broad hudson estuary
>
> the map while for some reason not actually depicting them as exclaves
> does at least make it clear from the position of the njny interstate
> boundary that both islands lie within the territorial waters of new jersey
>
> being thus embedded within nj qualifies these exclaves as true enclaves as well
>
> & they are it seems the only such entirely reciprocal discontinuities of
> the united states
>
> in this regard they are unlike the kentucky bend exclave
> which is not an enclave because not surrounded by any other single state
> as you can also see on the detail map at
> http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat+36.5058&lon=-89.4344&s=200&size=s
>
>
> still it is noteworthy that the separation of kentucky bend from the rest
> of kentucky is what gave rise to the 2 extra tristate points there
> which that exclave appears to rest upon or between
> unlike liberty or ellis island which have & need no tripoints to sustain them
>
> & it is possible to see in these 2 distinct types of fully surrounded
> exclaves the general rule for such areas
> namely that the fully reciprocal or enclavic type of exclave does not
> produce any tripoints
> while the nonreciprocal or nonenclavic type normally produces an extra pair
> of tripoints
>
> also notably
> it was almost precisely between these 2 extra kentucky bend or lower kymotn
> tripoints & thus all around the exclave itself that the mississippi river
> was reported to have run backwards during the great new madrid earthquakes
> of 1811
>
> so it really is difficult to say which member of the grand american exclave
> triad is the most illustrious
> whether forgotten or not
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