dear david & barry too
for a long time now i have been in great respect of all these maps
& thanx to your work on them i even fancied at one point that i could put
my finger on all 22 units of belgium within holland & all 7 units of
holland within belgium within holland not to mention the simpler unit of
holland within belgium & that i could clearly identify at least 1 boundary
cross amongst them all
& the more i have studied the military map in particular the more
impeccably faithful it seems to me to be
probably even down to & beyond the millimeter at scale
or presumably the 10 meter interval in reality
so when i see any perceptible offset at all on this map between boundary
lines carefully centered on the cross symbols i find it hard to maintain
my belief in the possibility of their actual continuity or contiguity on
the ground
your item number 2 david was previously my great & frankly my only real hope
til i looked at it again just now & noticed a small jog in it
which indeed seems to me now possibly to disqualify even this the leading
candidate
however since i believe i have seen a photo of a cobblestone cross at baarle
i am able to suspend my suspension of belief in at least this best hope
but the even greater offsets or displacements of the cross centerlines that
occur in your items number 1 & 3 make it very hard for me to entertain a
hope that these might prove to be simple boundary intersections also
i am certainly very grateful to you for effectively raising in my mind the
worldwide total of binational quadripoint candidates to as many as 5 now
with these 2 new additions
yet i am also still hoping to come up with more definition & confirmation
than we presently have
because from what we have seen & heard so far the true world total of the
binational quadripoints or simple boundary insections or whatever we call
them could still turn out to be any number from 0 to 5
or so it seems to me now
fortunately nothing of any practical consequence even for us dilettantes
hinges on the outcome
but it is still a wonderful line of pursuit so thank you both again
m
>We ordered an excellent detailed Baarle map, 1:10,000 I think. Scanning
>was not really an option so we digitized all the borders and produced maps
>with a GIS that are shown on
>http://wings.buffalo.edu/philosophy/faculty/smith/baarle.htm. The third
>one shows all the enclaves, and the Dutch enclaves between them, but only
>a few roads. The map linked to Barry's Baarle web site, the URL
>http://wings.buffalo.edu/philosophy/faculty/smith/baarle/baarlemap.html
>posted earlier, shows detail down to the houses.
>
>Michael, as far as binational quadripoints, I count 2 rather definite,
>one more likely. A little difficult to point them out on
>http://wings.buffalo.edu/philosophy/faculty/smith/baarle/baarlemap.html
>But here goes:
>
>1. Just northwest of the B in "Baarle-Nassau
>2. Just north of the word "Rethse"
>3. probably another just northeast of 2, half way between the words
>"Rethse" and "Kap"
>
>David
>
>On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen wrote:
>
>>
>> Well studying Peter's Baarle map shows enclaves inside enclaves. It is a
>>pity that we won¥'t be able to scan his stuff on Sunday, so we can share
>>it with you.
>>
>> Jesper
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>
>> To: <BoundaryPoint@egroups.com>
>> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 5:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] binational quadripoints
>>
>>
>> >
>> > When I went to Bangladesh, a friend from the
>> > boundaries database I am on showed maps (1:62500) of
>> > the Bangladesh-India enclave area. A possible
>> > intersecting border (Binational quadripoints?) shows
>> > up on one of the maps. Obviously better maps would
>> > completely clear it up. However, both countries
>> > consider it a disputed area and do not publish
>> > detailed maps. For those interested, one of the maps
>> > also show an Indian enclave within a Bangladeshi
>> > enclave within an Indian enclave. If true, it will be
>> > the only enclave within an enclave within one in the
>> > world. I would like to visit the area next time I go
>> > to my home country as it is only 10-20 miles from my
>> > mother's birthplace. I will try to get maps from my
>> > friends, though I don't know how that will help as I
>> > don't have a scanner.
>> > I have seen non-detailed maps where the tongue in
>> > Jungholz is shown wider than it is for cartographic
>> > simplicity. Could the 10-20 meter tongue as shown on
>> > maps be cartographic simplicity? I have no idea what
>> > to call those points. I actually thought most
>> > boundary-makers would be smart to get rid of such
>> > cartographic curiosities.
>> >
>> >
>> > --- michael donner <m@...> wrote:
>> > > welcome dear old friend & multibenefactor
>> > >
>> > > & what magnificent new gift tidings you bring from
>> > > the east
>> > >
>> > > that elusive third item
>> > > i had a hunch it had to be there somewhere
>> > > in our now charmed ensemble of
>> > > well how shall we consider them
>> > >
>> > > for it is a beautiful & subtle question you raise
>> > >
>> > > & what to properly call them
>> > > for they could be the coolest thing on earth
>> > > & deserve the coolest possible name
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > now that you do mention it
>> > > it might actually be a mistake to consider them
>> > > quadripoints
>> > > or multipoints at all
>> > > if they are the result of a simple line intersection
>> > > as at baarle
>> > >
>> > > but the jungholz thing at least struck me not as an
>> > > x intersection but
>> > > rather as a type k junction of at least 2 & perhaps
>> > > 4 true line terminals
>> > > if i recall correctly
>> > > for i wish i could find a true map
>> > >
>> > > so i believe we can consider & proclaim 2 distinct
>> > > types of these thingies
>> > > probably needing different names
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > perhaps mobius points is a witty & catchy enough
>> > > name for the true cruciforms
>> > >
>> > > & davids droll suggestion wusfripoints works for
>> > > me for the freeforms
>> > > in my makeshift cockabebble language
>> > > so i would seriously propose it
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > also i am wondering
>> > > does the india bangladesh example belong to one of
>> > > these 2 types
>> > > & can you show it off to us in any way
>> > >
>> > > & i am finally also wondering about how you are
>> > > considering & calling them too
>> > > because i know you are the master of this game
>> > >
>> > > m
>> > >
>> >
>> >
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