Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is reportedly undelineated & definitely elusive
Date: Sep 03, 2006 @ 22:13
Author: Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...>)
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----- Original Message -----
From: "aletheia kallos" <aletheiak@...>
To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is reportedly undelineated &
definitely elusive
> not sure about the etymology nor the degree of
> generality
> but chink is evidently at least the local probably
> kazak or russian name for any edge of this crumbly
> ustyurt plateau of which this kaplankyr spur is a part
> & the word is sometimes translated as
> abrupt seashore
> or abrupt border
>
> here is a picture of a nearby but probably different
> chink
> with a resident skink i think
> http://www.atyrau-city.kz/KCS/Book1/012.jpg
> or perhaps it is the same chink but a different spur
> named mangystau in this case
> but in any case a few hundred km to the northwest of
> kztmuz
> & in fact at the opposite shoulder of the same plateau
>
> http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/mapcenter/map.aspx?TextLatitude=39.45&TextLongitude=-98.907&TextAltitude=0&TextSelectedEntity=39070&SearchEnc=false&MapStyle=Comprehensive&MapSize=Medium&MapStyleSelectedIndex=0&searchTextMap=mangystau&MapStylesList=Comprehensive&ZoomOnMapClickCheck=on
>
> what astonished or perhaps rather amused me so much
> about this claim of a nondelineated tripoint was
> first
> tripoints arent supposed to be delineated because they
> arent linear
> & second
> this particular one appears to lie at the convergence
> of 3 perfectly geodetic border line segments
> all of them seemingly very clearly delimited since
> soviet times & now reportedly fully delineated if not
> also demarcated
>
> but now that you mention it
> crumbly vertical ground can present a special problem
> for monumentation
> & perhaps it is only this that our possibly
> misinformed or careless informant had in mind
> if anything
>
> --- "Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...> wrote:
>
>> Exactly. The NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC ATLAS OF THE WORLD
>> shows this and the other similar oblong area to the
>> southeast as a basin below sea level called "Chink
>> Kaplankyr." I suspect that "Chink" might be cognate
>> with the English "chink" (crack) or "sink" (low
>> area) via some common Proto-Indo-European etymon.
>>
>> Lowell G. McManus
>> Leesville, Louisiana, USA
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase
>> To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 7:56 AM
>> Subject: SV: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is
>> reportedly undelineated & definitely elusive
>>
>>
>> What do you make of this
>>
> http://maps.google.com/?ll=41.307729,55.994568&spn=0.089619,0.159645&t=k
>> ? saltlake perhaps?
>>
>> That could explain why it's hard to delimit the
>> place and perhaps even mark it.
>>
>> Jesper
>> --
>> Borderbase - your online guide to international
>> borders and tripoints
>> http://www.nicolette.dk/borderbase
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Fra: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
>> [mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com] På vegne af
>> aletheia kallos
>> Sendt: 31. august 2006 15:23
>> Til: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
>> Emne: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is reportedly
>> undelineated & definitely elusive
>>
>>
>>
>>
> http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2006/08/295991D6-AB19-4C80-93B4-A5859F110120.html
>> but what could this mean
>> for kzuz is reportedly fully delimited & likely
>> even
>> marked by now per
>>
>>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/11250
>> while on tmuz all border questions were reportedly
>> settled years ago
>>
>>
> http://www.newscentralasia.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=638
>> & demarcation is supposedly well under way there
>> too
>>
>>
> http://www.newscentralasia.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1059
>>
>> reference map
>> http://www.dntours.com/map.htm
>> from
>> http://www.dntours.com/dashoguz/kaplankyr.htm
>>
>> kztmuz is in the chink kaplankyr
>> which is the southernmost spur of the ustyurt
>> plateau
>>
>>
> http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/mapcenter/map.aspx?TextLatitude=38.3893924187585&TextLongitude=39.4382328526111&TextAltitude=8&TextSelectedEntity=9241499&SearchEnc=false&MapStyle=Comprehensive&MapSize=Medium&MapStyleSelectedIndex=0&searchTextMap=ustyurt&MapStylesList=Comprehensive&ZoomOnMapClickCheck=on&ResultsListbox=38.3893924187585%3B39.4382328526111%3B8%3B9241499%3BHazar+%5BKavak%5D%2C+Elaz??%2C+Turkey%3BMedium%3BComprehensive
>>
>> the best if not the only known tour of the area
>> http://stantours.com/tm_syl_ee_kap.html
>> gets to within 100 km of the target
>> at chagyl & kyzyl kaya or gyzylgaya on day 3
>> & again at lake sarakamysh & kaplankyr national
>> park
>> on day 7
>>
>>
> http://enrin.grida.no/biodiv/biodiv/national/turkmen/htmfiles/mapres.htm
>
>
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