Subject: Re: Divided building (DEFR) near DEFRLU
Date: Jul 10, 2004 @ 04:06
Author: aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
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> I would think that any such islands inhabited at the creation ofthe condominium would have been excluded from the
>near DEFRLU
> Lowell G. McManus
> Leesville, Louisiana, USA
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jesper Nielsen
> To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 1:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Divided building (DEFR)
>than small plots of land.
>
> I drove along the DELU condo in april and so no other islands
>government property, and which government?
> But I wonder if someone owns this land, and if it's
>DEFRLU
> Jesper
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: aletheiak
> To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 6:10 PM
> Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Divided building (DEFR) near
>four
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Smaardijk"
> <smaardijk@y...> wrote:
> > I think that the condominium is formed by the entire river
> between
> > Luxembourg and Germany, i.e. two stretches, limited by
> straightborder
> > lines across the river, and the respective river banks. A
> iswas
> > normally first defined, then marked. The markers were
> therefore
> > placed after it was known where the border was. And that
> border was
> > the river bank. Now it is a bit impractical to place border
> markers
> > half in the water, half on the land, and anyway, the border
> > formed by a natural linear feature, namely the river bank.Some
> > border markers were placed, but only at more or lessthe
> important
> > places, like bridges and confluences. And at the termini of
> > condominia, of course. So these markers are bound to berivers
> witness
> > markers. By the way, there are lots of examples of border
> thatthe
> > have the border in the middle of the stream (mostly the
> thalweg),
> > with border markers on both sides that equally don't mark
> borderbridges
> > exactly.
> >
> > But there are markings that do mark the actual border
> accurately,
> > nevertheless. For instance the round metal plates on
> and onbridgehead.
> > the former customs house at the Keppeshausen
> But thesethey
> > are places where manmade features cross into the
> condominium, and the
> > border was probably already fixed at that time.
> >
> > But the border stones alongside the Mosel, Sauer, and Our
> are, I
> > think, not exactly on the border, with the exception of the
> > binational tripoint markers north and south of Vianden. But
> arefind
> > not on the tripoints DEDELULU - they are just on DELU.
> >
> > Peter S.
> >
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jesper Nielsen"
> <jesniel@i...>
> > wrote:
> > > It's a good observasion. I vaguely remember it being
> disussed
> > before, either on BP or at GCEBE.
> > >
> > > Are all DELU-LU markers (and the binational marker(s)
> around
> > Vianden) just witness markers?
> > >
> > > There should be a similar map of the northern binational
> tripoint
> > somwhere (or perhaps I can find it in my files). We couldn't
> anymarker
> > southern binational tripoint markers at Vianden.
> > >
> > > Have anybody been close to the northern binational
> to seenear
> > the inscription?
> > >
> > > Jesper
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Michael Kaufman
> > > To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 4:45 AM
> > > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Divided building (DEFR)
> DEFRLUmeets
> > >
> > >
> > > If the condo border on the DE side is where the river
> theof
> > > cement cliff-like sidewalls, then what about the LU side
> theDELU-FR-LU
> > > river? The DELU-LU boder proceeds from the
> tripointmonument.
> > and
> > > then makes a turn to the right when it reaches a
> Butland is
> > the
> > > monument is on land. Does this mean some of the
> condo3312
> > > territory? Or is the monument a witness marker for the
> triline?
>
>
> just for the record
> this question was first answered by peter in message 3151
>
> & it was then first asked by jesper in message 3236
>
> & finally mats promised to answer it in message 3281
>
>
> but while seeking these original messages just to check my
> sanity
> i also chanced again on mats equally excellent messages
> & 3324Terms of Service.
> in which he reported
> among many other choice details
> the existence of 15 still extant condo islands
>
> real condo land territory
>
> places where living or native condoites might be sought
>
> if indeed there are any such joint people living anywhere
> since the demise of moresnet
>
>
> so
> since the defrlu island has been found to be uninhabited
> can anyone identify or locate any of the remaining 14 delu
> islands
>
>
>
>
>
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