Thanks Peter S.

found it!!!

Tomorrow I'll scan the article

on U Sabotu....there's a nice pic-

ture in it...!

Regards

Peter H.

-------Original Message-------

From: Peter Smaardijk

Date: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 16:03:47

To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Iron Curtian stories: Sidonie

Sidonie is just north-east of road 57 from Brumov-Bylnice (cz) to
Dubnica nad Vahom (Vahom with acute accent on a) (sk). The road is
doubled by a railway, and there is the railway station Vlarsky
Prusmyk (acutes on vowels in Vlarsky, small circle on u in Prusmyk)
just inside cz territory. The sk village on the other side of the
border on road 57 is Rybniky (acute on i). The main road to Sidonie
runs from road 57 in a north-easterly direction through the valley of
the little stream that used to be the boundary (and possibly still
is, but that we don't know yet). First you get to a tiny hamlet
called Vlarka (acute on first a), then to Sidonie, which
administratively is a city quarter, belonging to the city of Brumov-
Bylnice. The road from road 57 to the centre of Sidonie is 3,5 km
long, and continues another kilometre after that. Then it stops (some
dirt track continues into Slovakia, on my map). The co-ordinates of
Sidonie are 18d05m east, 49d03m north (appr.).

A picture of the border at Vlarsky prusmyk (which means Vlara pass,
the Vlara (acute on first a) being the river, of which the Sidonie
stream is a tributary), can be seen at
http://grumpy.fm.vse.cz/www/sakko/fotky/800x600/s1v.jpg . It looks
like the fence on the picture is part of the bridge over this little
stream, but I can't be sure, of course.

Peter S.

--- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "Peter Hering" <hering@m...> wrote:

>

Peter S.,

> that's a very interesting link about
> the

exchange of territory between

> SK and CZ ! As a matter of fact,

> do have an article - in Danish - about
> this village U

Sabotu, where most

> people were angry about the drawing
> of

the new boundary line after the

> peaceful "divorce"...
> So,

it looks like things have been

> settled to the satisfaction of

the

> local people there, but Peter :
> where is

Sidonie????

> PS: I'll bring along this article
> to Baarle in

Sept. !!!

> Regards
> Peter H.
>
>

-------Original Message-------

>
> From: Peter

Smaardijk

> Date: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 11:16:55
> To:

BoundaryPoint@y...

> Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Iron Curtian

stories: Sidonie

>
> After some searching, I found that the

exchange of Sidonie/U Sabotu

> took place on July 25, 1997:
> http://www.fss.muni.cz/projekty/stisk/issues/stisk_10_98/ . In
> English:

http://www.rferl.org/newsline/1997/07/3-CEE/cee-
280797.html .

>
> So in my opinion, it would be strange to find the boundary still

> the middle of the village, in that small stream. Perhaps this

chapter

> 3 is a bit old?
>
> Peter S.
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "Peter Smaardijk"

<smaardijk@y...> wrote:

> > In chapter 3, the story of

Sidonie comes up, with the czsk
boundary

> > running through

the village. But then it looks like the treaty of

> > 1994 (see

msg. 1665) was not executed, or this article is older

> than
> > it says here (1999). Acc. to the news item referred to in

msg.

> 1665,
> > the entire village was awarded to the

Czech rep.; Slovakia got
the

> > village U Sabotu. Still,

not having read the actual text of the

> > treaty, nothing's for

sure here yet.

> >
> > On my map (1:100000 road atlas,

1997), I can't make out whether
the

> > boundary follows the

main road of the village or the stream that

> runs
> >

through the village. In both cases the boundary does run straight

> > through the village. The main road crosses the stream a number of
> > times (Sidonie is a long village, along this stream, in a

hilly,

> not
> > to say mountainous, area).
> >
> > A couple of years ago I passed the village by train here and

was

> > checked by border control officers of both countries at

the
Vlarsky

> > Prusmyk (Vlarsky with acute accents on the

vowels, Prusmyk with a

> > small circle on top of the u) railway

station. If only I'd known

> > then, I would have taken a look

there.

> >
> > Peter S.
> >
> > ---

In BoundaryPoint@y..., "Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen"

> >

<jesniel@i...> wrote:

> > >

http://latimes.qpass.com/news/nation/reports/curtain/

>
>
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