Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
Date: Jun 07, 2001 @ 01:15
Author: Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
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>From: "Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>_________________________________________________________________________
>Reply-To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
>To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
>Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 12:05:43 -0000
>
>Some things are not entirely clear to me, though:
>1. What is a traffic island (purely a language thing)? Is it the
>parking lot due east of Fringshaus?
>2. Why is this spot so special then? Was it any different from the
>area south-east of it at any time?
>
>Btw: The road is the Bundesstrasse 258, meaning it is maintained by
>Federal services (L means Landstrasse, K means Kreisstrasse, meaning
>they are under Fed. Land and District services, respectively). This
>road has been named N (=Nationalstrasse) 258 in Belgium, without
>changing the number. So B258 in de, and N258 in be. As you say, the
>road is maintained by Germany. A situation not unlike Dutch road N274
>in Germany. I don't know whether this road also has a German
>designation.
>
>Peter S.
>
>--- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@h...> wrote:
> > The road junction from Roetgen (west) Monschau (south) and
> > Lammersdorf(east).
> > The blank southern area is Belgium proper, the north with the
>details, the
> > larger of the two roegten enclaves.
> > The roads west and eats are German to their edges, then Belgium
>kicks in.
> > The traffic island is on top of a hill, so the railway, Belgian,
>winds
> > around the hill to the far north, via Lammersdorf then south to
>Monschau.
> >
> > according to the US Geographers "International Boundary Study No7,
>June 30
> > 1961 Belgium-Germany Boundary":
> > "Before 1949 the three roads had been in Germany while the
>territory on all
> > sides was under Belgian administration. In 1949 the roads were
>provisionally
> > transferred to Belgium. The 1958 solution saw the cession of
>Belgian
> > territory north of the roads and the return of the two east west
>segments to
> > Germany. In turn Germany ceded the north south stretch of highway
>to
> > Belgium."
> > ...
> > "Since Article 7 of the Bonnb Convention on Relations provides that
>the
> > final determination of the boundaries of Germany must await a peace
> > settlement of the whole of Germany, these frontier arrangements are
> > necessarily provisional."
> >
> > Treaties covering the tripoint to enclaves area are:
> >
> > Treaty of Vienna 9 June 1815. In effect 1816-1919 and 1940-45.
>Basic line of
> > boundary.
> >
> > Boundary Treaty, Prussia and Netherlands, 26 June 1816. Detailed
> > delimitation of Congress of Vienna treaty boundary.
> >
> > Treaty of London, 19 April 1839. Belgian independence.
> >
> > Treaty of Versailles, 28 June 1919.Articles 31-35 detached Moresnet
>and
> > eupen-Malmedy fomr Germany.
> >
> > Report of the Belgian-German Boundary Demarcation Commission,
>Aachen 6 Nov
> > 1922. Very detailed technical report was published in Moniteur
>Belge, the
> > Belgian govt gazette, 7 March 1925 as an annex to the law
>incorporating the
> > lands into the Belgian provincial structure.
> >
> > Treaty between Be and De, Aachen 10 May 1935. Two small parcels of
>land,
> > 1.7sq km ceded by Belgium allowing extension of Aachen freight
>yards.
> >
> > Report of the Western German Frontier Demarcation Commission -
>Southern
> > Group- Belgian-German Frontier, Arlon (Belgium)9 Sept 1949
> > 7 parcels of German land provisionally placed under Belgian
>administration.
> > 20sq km, 500 inhabitants.
> >
> > Treaty between the FRG and the Kingdom of Belgium concerning
>rectification
> > of the German-Belgian boundary and other questions, Brussels, 24
>Sept 1956.
> > While the 1949 changes had reduced/eliminated some problems of
>border admin,
> > customs control, communications and stream polluting, they had
>created
> > others. This treaty sought a compromise.
> >
> > BW
> >
> >
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