Subject: Vatican Radio - again
Date: Apr 26, 2001 @ 20:13
Author: Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
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--- In BoundaryPoint@y..., granthutchison@c... wrote:
> Arif:
> >Since I started the virtual enclave debate, I feel I
> >should say something. I never actually included the
> >Vatican enclaves as true virtual enclaves, as I am not
> >sure what the Italian position on the areas is.
> The Lateran Treaty certainly makes a clear distinction between the
> Vatican and these other properties: it uses words
> like "sovereignty", "dominion" and "jurisdiction" for the Vatican,
> but "ownership", "management" and "administration" for the other
> sites. It also says that such sites have the "immunity granted by
> international law to the headquarters of the diplomatic agents of
> foreign states".
> I'm conflicted about this: the above pretty clearly makes the
> external sites rather poor virtual enclaves analoguous to foreign
> embassies; but nowhere (in the Treaty or outside it) have I found
any
> clear statement of how the external sites are treated in any way
> differently from the Vatican itself.
> I suppose the problem may simply be that "sovereignty" doesn't
really
> achieve its full meaning when applied to the Vatican, which is
> basically a few large buildings full of staff, so that there is no
> real room for contrast between the "sovereign" Vatican and
> the "extraterritorial" Papal Villa. Or is there some subtlety in
> international law which means that if Italy grants sovereignty to
the
> Vatican it can never legally backtrack, whereas it can legally
> rescind the assignment of lesser concepts like ownership and
> administration?
>
> Another problem I'm mildly surprised by is my difficulty in finding
a
> current, authoritative list of the Vatican's extraterritorial
> holdings. Some sources say "10 buildings in Rome", some say "13".
But
> I've certainly accumulated more candidates than that, and the
Lateran
> Treaty includes sites that I haven't seen listed elsewhere (as well
> as making non-specific references to various other buildings). The
> waters are muddied farther by the fact that places like the
Gregorian
> University and the Oriental Institute, granted tax-exemption but
not
> extraterritoriality in the Lateran Treaty, are sometimes referred
to
> as if they were extraterritorial.
>
> Grant