good
i like the symbolism too
& am guessing it was this specific misstep by descheemaeker onto the ile de
la conference condo & out of line with his own hyperboundary definition
that led you & us initially to believe the island had esesfrfr condo
tripoints on its tips
a valuable reflection if true
m
>
>--- In BoundaryPoint@y..., michael donner <m@d...> wrote:
>> wait peter
>> notwithstanding descheemaeker & the basques on this hyper boundary
>> didnt you conclude in message 1740 that the ile de la conference
>dry condo
>> territory was entirely enclaved in wet spanish territory
>> & thus didnt & doesnt interrupt the esfr boundary at all
>> as does the wet esfr condo territory in the bay below it
>>
>> i thought you were right about that then & still do
>
>Yes, I still think this is the situation.
>
>> & wonder what really is meant by hyper in this context
>> if not just the fact that true boundary islets naturally present a
>kind of
>> supersized monumentation
>
>It was meant to mean exactly that. And nothing more should be read
>into it. It was the symbolism I was pointing at.
>
>>
>> m
>
>Peter S.
>
>>
>>
>> >
>> >It looks like there are three types of boundary divided islands at
>> >stake here:
>> >
>> >1. (the bigger islands) There were settlements at different points,
>> >from where sovereignty was extended until a boundary was formed/had
>> >to be drawn.
>> >2. The boundary was already there, drawn without knowledge of what
>> >was in the way, and an island happened to be in the way so it was
>cut
>> >in two
>> >3. The island was purposely used as a boundary marker.
>> >
>> >The last type is the 'Scandinavian' one, by the looks of it. It is,
>> >however, somewhat similar to the Ile de la Conference, which is a
>> >condominium, but is also some sort of a hyper-boundary marker on
>the
>> >esfr boundary. It is explicitely characterised like this by
>> >Descheemaeker, and truly a monument to Spanish-French co-operation.
>> >Although Basque people would think otherwise, I guess. But they can
>> >continue to view it as a monument that keeps North and South
>together.
>> >
>> >Peter S.
>> >
>> >--- In BoundaryPoint@y..., Arif Samad <fHoiberg@y...> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Brendan, Thank you for the research. I guess
>> >> Goretty disappeared as an enclave at some time. I
>> >> have not been able to find the 1991 census handbook,
>> >> so you are definitely more current.
>> >> I should have rephrased my question on divided
>> >> islands. I noticed there are other islands that are
>> >> divided, but the big islands mentioned were divided
>> >> with full knowledge of colonial consequences. They
>> >> are big islands that had to be divided as different
>> >> groups were in control of parts before the islands
>> >> were eventually divided and the division couldn't be
>> >> circumvented. Only US-Canada and Scandinavian borders
>> >> seem to divide tiny islands that could easily be
>> >> circumnavigated by the boundary lines. I wonder why
>> >> that is. Mike's explanation makes a lot of sense
>> >> though. Then again, all of them could just be
>> >> mistakes.
>> >> Brendan, don't you have the points for Baarle?
>> >> Maybe you could create excel charts of the small
>> >> enclaves in Baarle like ones done for Cyprus.
>> >> Arif
>> >>
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