Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Largest enclave
Date: Mar 12, 2001 @ 23:57
Author: Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
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Take the examples of Azerbaijan which has true enclaves in Armenia, as well
as the larger FRAGMENT of Nakhichevan between Armenia., Turkey and Iran.
An enclave is the extreme example of fragmentation, which is a continuum of
possibilities from a tombolo like Mont St Michel, which is barely
disconnected from France (only twice daily at high tide), all the way to
proper enclave at the other end.
The point is access and power of negotiating equality.
A true Azeri enclave in Armenia is in trouble if Armenia closes the borders.
Armenia has totaL CONTROL OVER ACCESS TO OR FOMR THE ENCLAVE. End of story.
But Nakhichevan has options. If Armenia is nasty, it can turn to Iran and or
Turkey for access. Thus it is a better negotiating position and therefore
less likely to suffer fomr political strangulation or an overbearing
neighbour.
Thus Lesotho is in a worsep osition than Nepal or bhutan which can turn to
China for access if India gets nasty, though the situation there has been
the other way around since 1949.
Switzerland has many more options again.
And this is where coastline comes in. Coast allows access that no one else
can block except by war. Thus Kaliningrad is not an enclave. It is a coastal
fragment, topologically the same as Alaska.

when there is a difference in levle of political unit, things get more
tricky. fragments of Belgian provinces ajoining other provinces and the
INTERNATIONAL border make a typology more difficult. But as the
international border is of higher order, and more impenetrable than an
internal prtovincial bnorder, that might influence our take on this
situation.

I hadn't considered those before. But I would call them fragements, as they
are still Belgian as opposed to Dutch.

Brendan


>From: peter.smaardijk@...
>Reply-To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
>To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Largest enclave
>Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 23:02:33 -0000
>
>Oops... I meant Brendan of course. Sorry
>
>Peter S.
>
>--- In BoundaryPoint@y..., peter.smaardijk@a... wrote:
> > Martin,
> >
> > Why is it so important that the exclave is surrounded by only one
> > other unit? In other words, why can't the municipality of Voeren in
> > Belgium be an exclave of Flanders? That it isn't an enclave, I can
> > see. But it is an exclave (in my humble opinion) to Flanders. For
>the
> > Flemish it is of little importance that it is wedged between the
> > Netherlands and Wallonia.
> >
> > I'm taking this secundary level example to make my point, because I
> > can't think of an international one right now. But I hope you
> > understand what I mean.
> >
> > Peter S.
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@h...> wrote:
> > > No. No claves, ex or en.
> > > The mainland bit i would call a fragment of the island, as the
> > island has
> > > the larger population and more importantly the capital. The
> > mainland is
> > > larger in area, but still a fragment, as it is peripheral.
> > > ***********
> > > David pulled me up on a fine point:
> > > an enclave or exclave must be surrounded entirely by one other
>unit.
> > > An enclave is inside you and an exclave is a PIECE of you inside
> > someome
> > > else.
> > > Eq. Guinea is and has neither of these.
>

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