Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Largest enclave
Date: Mar 14, 2001 @ 12:53
Author: David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
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Peter (and others), I agree exactly with this. Especially the part where
inland waters or truly sovereign territorial seas can cleave a clave,
that for 'clave purposes they are no different from land. Whereas
international waters are neutral territory and thus e.g. Ceuta and Melila
are just fragments, not exclaves of Spain.

If we allow inland waters or sovereign territorial seas to isolate claves,
then every island is an exclave, 100,000+ exclaves in Finland alone!
Islands in the ocean more than 24 miles offshore would be fragments with
this definition, but still not claves.

David

On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Peter Smaardijk wrote:

> My opinion (and I stress it is just that): dry land, which includes internal water (Campione,
> Malawi), and possibly (although I would go a long way with what Brendan says about this) territorial
> water. But international water - no way (or rather: then there _is_ a way to get in/out of a clave).
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> But you wouldn't expect a dictionary to go at such lenghts just to describe claves.....
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> Peter S.
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> michael donner wrote:
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> > >
> > >In short: claves should always be surrounded by dry land.
> >
> > wow
> > i wasnt expecting this conclusion either
> >
> > evidently you dont want to consider campione
> > or the malawi mozambique pair
> > or any of the spanish moroccan bunch
> > as either true enclaves or true exclaves
> >
> > but that could be a result of the dutch etymology you mention below
> > which seems entirely different from the french lock & key image
> > so no wonder we dont entirely agree
> >
> > which after all is fine too
> >
> > i see also that everyone is coming at this from a different pet interest
> > so all the more reason to differ
> >
> > but just so you know
> > tho i enjoy it all
> > my own greatest motivation is to dig up the tripoint gold that will be
> > found deposited along the boundaries only of nonenclavic exclaves
> > so that distinction at least is most important to me
> >
> > m
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