Subject: the good news from gideons jerusalem bible<br/>
Date: Oct 14, 2000 @ 03:16<br/>
Author: michael donner (michael donner &lt;m@...&gt;)<br/>
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<div id="ygrps-yiv-1643422587">or some highlights anyway<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
first<br/>
& just to make 2 wrongs into a right<br/>
  because we can<br/>
here is a serenade to jespers early suggestion & first ever nomination of a<br/>
mountain peak tripoint<br/>
in message 117<br/>
namely tp egypt libya sudan<br/>
which you may recall my poor atlas led me to call doubtful in message 150<br/>
& a good atlas even flatly disallowed in message 662<br/>
but well jesper it now seems you were right the first time about this mt<br/>
uweinat<br/>
for  according to gideon  its summit is in fact the tp<br/>
bravo<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
second<br/>
& just to extend further our celebration of peak tripoints<br/>
  by giving more examples to search for pix of<br/>
gideon actually provides a worldwide list of them<br/>
the first assemblage of any kind of tri country points i have ever seen<br/>
anywhere<br/>
  apart from our own tries<br/>
& this in itself is an extra cause to celebrate<br/>
<br/>
so without further ado<br/>
  except to note that  china kyrgyzstan tajikistan  is not among the peak tps<br/>
      oops  so much for the roof of the world<br/>
    but happily it is the westernmost point of china<br/>
  & that the book is full of stuff like this<br/>
    our first known tri country point extremity<br/>
score about 20 tp peaks  named as follows<br/>
<br/>
afghanistan china pakistan<br/>
  an unnamed peak or 2 to choose from<br/>
<br/>
afghanistan china tajikistan<br/>
  povalo shveykovski<br/>
<br/>
afghanistan iran pakistan<br/>
  kuh i malik siah<br/>
<br/>
argentina bolivia chile<br/>
  zapaleri<br/>
<br/>
austria czech republic germany<br/>
  plockenstein<br/>
<br/>
austria italy slovenia<br/>
  patzen peak on mt forno or petzen pec on mt ofen<br/>
<br/>
austria italy switzerland<br/>
  piz lad<br/>
<br/>
austria liechtenstein switzerland<br/>
  near but probably not precisely at naafkopf peak<br/>
<br/>
bosnia croatia serbia<br/>
  orijen<br/>
<br/>
brazil guyana venezuela<br/>
  roraima<br/>
<br/>
bulgaria greece macedonia<br/>
  tumba or beles or pole<br/>
<br/>
china india nepal<br/>
  jongsong<br/>
<br/>
china kazakhstan russia<br/>
  kuytun<br/>
<br/>
egypt libya sudan<br/>
  uweinat<br/>
<br/>
el salvador guatemala honduras<br/>
  montecristo<br/>
<br/>
france italy switzerland<br/>
  dolent<br/>
<br/>
guinea ivory coast liberia<br/>
  neun<br/>
<br/>
iraq jordan saudi arabia<br/>
  anaiza<br/>
<br/>
israel lebanon syria<br/>
  hermon<br/>
<br/>
poland slovakia ukraine<br/>
  kremenec<br/>
<br/>
rwanda uganda zaire<br/>
  sabinio<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
third<br/>
& just because it seems so outrageous in light of where we have been since<br/>
message 84<br/>
gideon says there is indeed a tp austria germany switzerland in the<br/>
southeastern section of lake constance 2 miles north of the swiss town of<br/>
alten rhein<br/>
  & mapquest shows it there too  i might add<br/>
<br/>
this seems to correspond very well with the equidistant point or median<br/>
line junction point we were groping for in message 153<br/>
<br/>
now whether gideon is reporting a fact here or simply taking matters into<br/>
his own hands<br/>
  as i proposed we do for purposes of dropping a commemorative buoy<br/>
is anyones guess<br/>
but the caveat by martin in message 754 about eventual outcomes often<br/>
differing from assumptive maritime equidistant tripoints would seem to be<br/>
well taken here in lake constance as well<br/>
<br/>
in any case the question remains<br/>
does gideon know something we & barry dont<br/>
or should we continue to rely on barry about that hole or triarea there<br/>
<br/>
similarly<br/>
gideon says there is indeed also a tp belgium germany holland in the main<br/>
navigation channel or thalweg of the our river<br/>
& mentions no our river condominium between germany & luxemburg<br/>
nor any between germany & belgium<br/>
so he sees no triline or trijoint<br/>
as was also suggested by barry in message 293<br/>
but just an ordinary bedelu tp after all<br/>
as i believe peter sensibly favors also<br/>
<br/>
these data & others mentioned below suggest to me that gideon may have<br/>
occasionally simplified matters in the interest of expediency<br/>
which i gather barry by contrast had no need or reason to do<br/>
<br/>
for i still think barry may well be right & gideon therefore incorrect<br/>
about both of these atchde & bedelu situations<br/>
but perhaps barry or someone can source or clarify these matters further<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
fourth  & really most exciting for me<br/>
  apart from the above lingering uncertainties<br/>
gideon basically agrees with all our tri country point assumptions &<br/>
conclusions in message 597 right down to the western sahara & the de facto<br/>
tripoints on cyprus<br/>
  except<br/>
he repeatedly asserts the existence of the botswana namibia zambia zimbabwe<br/>
quadripoint while scarcely whispering that it is actually in dispute<br/>
<br/>
nor would i demur about this additional apparent simplification of his<br/>
since his encyclopedic authority could very well stand to advance the<br/>
maxipoint candidacy of this prospective bwnazmzw point that i too have so<br/>
fondly promoted<br/>
<br/>
but since i have more recently seen on cspan tv the botswana ambassador to<br/>
the united nations say there is still a disagreement about whether his<br/>
country shares with zambia only a common point or a common boundary<br/>
i continue to think it best as well as most diplomatic to follow brownlie<br/>
in his uncertainty here also<br/>
& at least continue to allow for the probability of a short botswana zambia<br/>
boundary between 2 tripoints rather than a bwnazmzw quadripoint only<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
fifth<br/>
gideon gives no support for the 1375 french spanish boundary agreement &<br/>
monument reported recently here but holds the line there at no earlier than<br/>
1659<br/>
while he does claim andorras 1278 boundaries are the oldest extant in the<br/>
world<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
finally<br/>
the book is full of other goodies  as brendan promised<br/>
like a list of named boundaries that includes red lines & green lines &<br/>
blue lines & even 1 violet line<br/>
plus many great maps & photos<br/>
& it will probably keep me gleaning additional tripoint data for some time<br/>
to come<br/>
which i will endeavor to assemble & report eventually<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
resubmerging<br/>
m<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
the encyclopedia of international boundaries<br/>
by gideon biger  with ibru<br/>
facts on file 1995<br/>
jerusalem<br/>
<br/>
good book</div>