It is the border crossing of road 57. Somewhere at this point, the
road to Sidonie branches off.
Somewhere to the right, but behind the photographer, the (Czech)
railway station of Vlarsky prusmyk is located (the railway runs on
the right side of the road.
The sign says:
Slovenska republika (acute on last a of Slovenska)=Slovak republic
Trenciansky kraj (caron on c)=province of Trencin (caron on c, acute
on i)
Peter S.
--- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "Peter Hering" <hering@m...> wrote:
> Yes, Peter, it certainly looks like a boundary
> marker, many of them - especially the new
> ones (and this MUST be a very new one)
> are painted red on top...(my experience...)
> Have tried to locate this border crossing,
> but in vain...any help.?.
> must be between Cz and Sk - but where?
> Difficult to read the sign below "Slovenska
> Republika" , btw: Slovakia's official name
> must be one of the reasons why so many
> people can't distinguish between Slovenia
> and Slovakia...
> Best regards
> Peter H.
> (scan and some translation of border article on
> "U Sabotu" to follow later (am a bit busy...)
> Pjotr
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Peter Smaardijk
> Date: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 22:53:50
> To: BoundaryPoint@y...
> Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Iron Curtian stories: Sidonie
>
> I'm looking forward to it. I can get along with Danish, with a
> dictionary and some guess-work ;-)
>
> BTW, regarding
> http://grumpy.fm.vse.cz/www/sakko/fotky/800x600/s1v.jpg : is that a
> border marker I see there behind the fence (the little stone with
> some red)? It certainly looks like one!
>
> Peter S.
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "Peter Hering" <hering@m...> wrote:
> > Thanks Peter S.
> > found it!!!
> > Tomorrow I'll scan the article
> > on U Sabotu....there's a nice pic-
> > ture in it...!
> > Regards
> > Peter H.
> >
> > -------Original Message-------
> >
> > From: Peter Smaardijk
> > Date: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 16:03:47
> > To: BoundaryPoint@y...
> > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Iron Curtian stories: Sidonie
> >
> > Sidonie is just north-east of road 57 from Brumov-Bylnice (cz) to
> > Dubnica nad Vahom (Vahom with acute accent on a) (sk). The road
is
> > doubled by a railway, and there is the railway station Vlarsky
> > Prusmyk (acutes on vowels in Vlarsky, small circle on u in
Prusmyk)
> > just inside cz territory. The sk village on the other side of the
> > border on road 57 is Rybniky (acute on i). The main road to
Sidonie
> > runs from road 57 in a north-easterly direction through the
valley
> of
> > the little stream that used to be the boundary (and possibly
still
> > is, but that we don't know yet). First you get to a tiny hamlet
> > called Vlarka (acute on first a), then to Sidonie, which
> > administratively is a city quarter, belonging to the city of
Brumov-
> > Bylnice. The road from road 57 to the centre of Sidonie is 3,5 km
> > long, and continues another kilometre after that. Then it stops
> (some
> > dirt track continues into Slovakia, on my map). The co-ordinates
of
> > Sidonie are 18d05m east, 49d03m north (appr.).
> >
> > A picture of the border at Vlarsky prusmyk (which means Vlara
pass,
> > the Vlara (acute on first a) being the river, of which the
Sidonie
> > stream is a tributary), can be seen at
> > http://grumpy.fm.vse.cz/www/sakko/fotky/800x600/s1v.jpg . It
looks
> > like the fence on the picture is part of the bridge over this
> little
> > stream, but I can't be sure, of course.
> >
> > Peter S.
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "Peter Hering" <hering@m...> wrote:
> > > Peter S.,
> > > that's a very interesting link about
> > > the exchange of territory between
> > > SK and CZ ! As a matter of fact, I
> > > do have an article - in Danish - about
> > > this village U Sabotu, where most
> > > people were angry about the drawing
> > > of the new boundary line after the
> > > peaceful "divorce"...
> > > So, it looks like things have been
> > > settled to the satisfaction of the
> > > local people there, but Peter :
> > > where is Sidonie????
> > > PS: I'll bring along this article
> > > to Baarle in Sept. !!!
> > > Regards
> > > Peter H.
> > >
> > > -------Original Message-------
> > >
> > > From: Peter Smaardijk
> > > Date: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 11:16:55
> > > To: BoundaryPoint@y...
> > > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Iron Curtian stories: Sidonie
> > >
> > > After some searching, I found that the exchange of Sidonie/U
> Sabotu
> > > took place on July 25, 1997:
> > > http://www.fss.muni.cz/projekty/stisk/issues/stisk_10_98/ . In
> > > English: http://www.rferl.org/newsline/1997/07/3-CEE/cee-
> > 280797.html .
> > >
> > > So in my opinion, it would be strange to find the boundary
still
> in
> > > the middle of the village, in that small stream. Perhaps this
> > chapter
> > > 3 is a bit old?
> > >
> > > Peter S.
> > >
> > > --- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@y...>
> wrote:
> > > > In chapter 3, the story of Sidonie comes up, with the czsk
> > boundary
> > > > running through the village. But then it looks like the
treaty
> of
> > > > 1994 (see msg. 1665) was not executed, or this article is
older
> > > than
> > > > it says here (1999). Acc. to the news item referred to in
msg.
> > > 1665,
> > > > the entire village was awarded to the Czech rep.; Slovakia
got
> > the
> > > > village U Sabotu. Still, not having read the actual text of
the
> > > > treaty, nothing's for sure here yet.
> > > >
> > > > On my map (1:100000 road atlas, 1997), I can't make out
whether
> > the
> > > > boundary follows the main road of the village or the stream
> that
> > > runs
> > > > through the village. In both cases the boundary does run
> straight
> > > > through the village. The main road crosses the stream a
number
> of
> > > > times (Sidonie is a long village, along this stream, in a
> hilly,
> > > not
> > > > to say mountainous, area).
> > > >
> > > > A couple of years ago I passed the village by train here and
> was
> > > > checked by border control officers of both countries at the
> > Vlarsky
> > > > Prusmyk (Vlarsky with acute accents on the vowels, Prusmyk
with
> a
> > > > small circle on top of the u) railway station. If only I'd
> known
> > > > then, I would have taken a look there.
> > > >
> > > > Peter S.
> > > >
> > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen"
> > > > <jesniel@i...> wrote:
> > > > > http://latimes.qpass.com/news/nation/reports/curtain/
> > >
> > >
> > >
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