Subject: Re: Steinstücken - DDR counter exclave? (1/1)
Date: Jun 25, 2001 @ 09:34
Author: Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
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So you're saying that the Stahnsdorfer Strasse in between the
Teltower Strasse and the Bernhard-Beyer-Strasse was GDR territory,
and the jig isn't there. It doesn't look like that on this map. So
I'd say an error, not a printing one, but a cartographic one.

I have a post-Wende Berlin map, so I don't know whether the Federal
Land-boundary here completely corresponds to the old situation. But
there is a jig there, too. On the westernmost part of the
Stahnsdorfer Str., the boundary runs slightly more to the south, so
perhaps a couple of metres south of the southern edge of this street.
After the jig, to the east, the boundary precisely follows the
southern street edge. This "jig" is at exactly the same location as
on David's map, but the difference is that the boundary doesn't cross
over to the other side of the street.

This could, of course, be a boundary rectification made after the
reunification of Germany.

The situation at where it says "Neu-Babelsberg" is the location of
the former three Boettcherberg enclaves. I have never seen a map of
these (at this time, they didn't exist anymore). How did they look?

Lastly: I hope Falk will stop making maps with this stupid
projection, distorting everything at the edges, and making it
necessary to put in these "1000 m"-arrows.

Peter S.

--- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@h...> wrote:
> According to Catudal's book, which has a cadastral map of
Steinstucken
> inside the cover, the boundary before the road was made W.German,
was, form
> the NW of Steinstucken, along Stahnsdorfer (the southern edge of
the road)
> to the railway (which is in a cutting here), and down the western
side of
> the cutting, then cutting east across the railway line, and the
road
> Bernhard-Beyer-Str, to the NE corner of the enclave. I suspect when
they
> made the access road to the enclave West Berliner territory, that
the
> railline was not included (you can see this on your map) so that
the
> northern 100m of rail line in your map shown by your phathom
enclaver is
> actuall East German. Thus you phanthom enclave is actually a
salient of East
> German territory into Steinstucken, being the rail line cutting.
> So you are right and wrong.
> You are right that there is no counter-enclave here. You are wrong
in that
> it is not a printing error so much as that the boundary line in red
along
> Stahnsdorfer Str fomr the west does not make a jig at Teltower Str,
but goes
> straight her, then, headed south down the west bank of the rail
cutting,
> across the rail line, then, post 1974, north up the east bank, and
along the
> access road to mainland WestbBerlin. The other boundary line comes
down the
> east side of the access road and Bernhard-Beyer-str, then heads
east to
> circumnavigate the eastern side of the enclave.
>
> No counter enclave, but a salient of East Gemrna railway into the
> enx-enclave, after the addition of Bernhard-Beyer-Str and access
road
> connection to West Berlin post-1974.
>
> BW
>
>
> >From: "David Birch" <dbirch@c...>
> >Reply-To: BoundaryPoint@y...
> >To: BoundaryPoint@y...
> >Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Steinstücken - DDR counter exclave?
(1/1)
> >Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 08:51:59 -0000
> >
> >Many apologies that those two map attachments didn't work - I seem
to
> >be unable to send attachments to this group. (What do I need to do
to
> >allow me to do this? Yahoo Groups Help is useless!) In the meantime
> >I've posted the two maps to the files area.
> >
> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/files/falkberlin1.jpg
> >
> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/files/falkberlin2.jpg
> >
> >
> >David
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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