david
this is the second time you have posted this
& now i ask again
what do you suppose is meant here by the sentence
german holds no unambiguous opinion
it may matter
because i may have dreamt it
but i am pretty sure gideon at least pinpoints the exact position of atchde within lake constance
& several of the major zoomable maps also agree with gideon about this position & arrangement of the 3 convergent boundaries within the lake
m
>From: David Mark >Reply-To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com >To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: DELU condo origins (fwd) >Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:51:35 -0400 (EDT) > > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:34:40 -0400 >From: Barry Smith >To: David Mark >Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: DELU condo origins (fwd) > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:22:13 -0000 > >From: David Birch > >Reply-To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com > >To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: DELU condo origins > > > >I thought about the Ger-Aut condominium question and I recalled > >reading something some time ago about the status of Lake Constance > >(Bodensee). Is it true that the lake is a condominium of Germany, > >Austria and Switzerland? I've just done a search but the only thing > >of relevance I can find is this page (in German): > > > >http://www.seespiegel.de/artikel/nummer07/9806_002.htm > > > >As far as I can see there is a condominium, but it's only recognised > >by Germany and Austria. Is this correct? > > >That is correct. The Swiss want to establish a boundary which partitions >the lake, the Germans and Austrians want to establish a condominium, but >the three of them have never been able to agree to the point where a border >treaty could be signed. I have a bundle of literature on this, if you wish, >but it's nearly all in German. Here are some translations of passages I >made for Brendan: > > > >Borders between states usually run down the middle of water bodies. A >special case is the German-Luxemburg border in the rivers Sauer and Our. >The bed and banks stand in a condominium of the two states. This means that >both states have sovereignty over the whole rive. > >Vielfach verlaufen Staatsgrenzen in Seen und Fl�ssen. Meist verlaufen diese >Grenzen in der Mitte der Gew�sser. Eine Besonderheit bildet der Verlauf der >deutsch-luxemburgischen Grenze in den Fl�ssen Sauer und Our. Flussbett und >Uferb�schung stehen im Kondominium beider Staaten. Dies bedeutet, dass >beide Staaten die Souver�nit�t �ber den ganzen Fluss haben. > >Unclarity reigns in relation to Lake Constance. While Lake �berling belongs >completely to Germany, the course of the border in the rest of Lake >Constance is unclear. While Switzerland holds the view that the border runs >through the middle of the Lake, Austria is of the opinion that the lake >stands in condominium of all the states on its banks. German holds no >unambiguous opinion. Legel questions pertaining to ship transport and >fishing are regulated in separate treaties. > > >Unklarheit herrscht im Bodensee. W�hrend der �berlingersee ganz zu >Deutschland geh�rt, ist der Grenzverlauf im �brigen Bodensee unklar. >W�hrend die Schweiz der Ansicht ist, die Grenze verlaufe in der Mitte des >Sees, ist �sterreich der Meinung, dass der See im Kondominium aller >Uferstaaten stehe. Deutschland vertritt keine eindeutige Meinung. Die >rechtlichen Fragen der Schifffahrt und Fischerei sind mit separaten >Vertr�gen geregelt. > >Here too disputes arise. One concerns a boat house which was moored in two >states, another concerns the rights to fish in the Bay of Bregenz. In >relation to the latter an Austrian family was of the opinion that it alone >had the right to fish in broad portions of the bay. This however was >accepted neither by the Austrian courts not by the organs and courts of the >other states. > >Aber auch hier kommt es zu Querelen. Einmal ging es um ein Bootshaus, das >in zwei Staaten stand, das andere Mal geht es um die Fischereirechte in der >Bregenzerbucht. Dort vertritt eine �sterreichische Fischerfamilie die >Ansicht, sie habe das alleinige Fischereirecht in weiten Teilen der Bucht. >Dies wird aber weder von den �sterreichischen Gerichten noch von den >Beh�rden und Gerichten der anderen Staaten anerkannt. (Grenzen erkennen - >Grenzen setzen? 1995, S. 94) > >http://www.mms-spiess.ch/Inhalt.htm > >Grenzen erkennen - Grenzen setzen? Vortr��ge im Sommersemester 1994. >Heidelberger Verlagsanstalt, 1995 > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >