The Our is indeed a condominium, judging by the little border shields
on the bridges there (Stolzembourg/Keppeshausen). At least for the
delu part. As for bede parts, and belu boundary waters, I agree with
Michael that the occurrence of condominia there is, in my opinion,
highly unlikely (though I have been wrong (many times) before).
I'm sorry I won't be able to meet you there on the GCEBE. But I'll
meet all of you in Baarle N/H, of that you can be sure.
And I'm definitely not an expert. Experts dig in libraries and pester
cadaster civil servants with questions. I don't do things like that.
I just like to indulge in border questions as a care-free amateur.
Peter S.
--- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen"
<jesniel@i...> wrote:
> Peter
>
> Great photos. Are there anyway we can check out wether Our is a
condominium. It would be nice to know before we are there at GCEBE.
>
> Is there any chance you could meet us along this borderarea. You
seam like a real expert.
>
> If bedelu is not a tripoint, can you call it a tri-line?
>
> Jesper
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@y...>
> To: <BoundaryPoint@y...>
> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 6:48 PM
> Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: bedelu question marks
>
>
> Peter H.'s site also contains some pictures of the tripoint, when
the
> vegetation at this place was somewhat less. See
> http://www.geocities.com/mafiapetedk/eurtp.html . The German
boundary
> marker has B|L at the side facing the Our. This would suggest that
> there is no belu condominium. Also, the L marker can be seen, but
> this is definitely the marker on the Belgium side! The German
shield
> has been removed, just as all such shields seem to be removed.
>
> Another picture of the tripoint can be seen at
> http://www.eastbelgium.com/reuland-
ouren/nl/sehensw/ourendrei.html ,
> 2nd picture.
>
> As for the questions: I don't have good maps of the area. To know
how
> the boundaries are situated here probably requires maps at a very
big
> scale. 1:25k maps probably won't do the trick.
>
> Peter S.
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@y..., Mats Hessman <blofeld_es@y...> wrote:
> > Peter,
> >
> > I am thrilled by your condominium pictures. Thanks for sharing
> > them and the information to go with them.
> >
> > I have some questions to you and others:
> >
> > 1. Could anyone share a good map scan of the
> > delu condominium areas, please? And perhaps Peter's
> > proposed belu condominium?
> >
> > 2. Does the group know of any other condominium
> > bordermarkers elsewhere in the world of the D/DL-kind that
> > Peter has shown us in his pictures?
> >
> > Mats
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Peter Smaardijk [mailto:smaardijk@y...]
> > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 14:41
> > To: BoundaryPoint
> > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] bedelu question marks
> >
> >
> > This is the bedelu tripoint. Not really a tripoint, because in
this
> > area Belgium, Germany, Luxemburg, and the Luxembourgo-German
> > condominium meet. I still don't know whether the Rippach, or
> Reibaach,
> > i.e. the small stream that is the belu boundary and which enters
the
> > Our at this point, is a condominium as well, because it used to
be
> the
> > continuation of the Prussian-Dutch border (the Belgian territory
> here
> > was part of Prussia) when the borders were drawn. So that could
be a
> > Belgo-Luxembourgish condominium! On the other hand, it is such a
> small
> > stream (and when I visited it no more than a pathetic trickle),
> that it
> > would surprise me to find its waters to be a condominium.
> >
> > The first picture is taken from Germany. The bridge is between
> Belgium
> > and Germany. You can see the boundary marker on the German side
in
> the
> > foreground. The Rippach enters the Our between the bridge and the
> tree
> > on the left, although you can't see much of it because of the
> > vegetation and dead wood that has been accumulated here.
> >
> > The second picture gives a closer look of the Rippach. It is
taken
> from
> > the bridge. On the left is the Luxembourg marker, and on the
extreme
> > right/bottom of the picture the one in Belgium can be seen. The
one
> in
> > Luxembourg is marked B and has a right angle on top. The one in
> Belgium
> > is marked L and has some very obscure lines (four lines, as I
> recall,
> > but I can't make it out on the picture) on top of it.
> >
> > The third and fourth pictures are close-ups of the B and L
markers.
> The
> > L marker (the one in Belgium) I photographed from the spot where
> the B
> > marker (in Luxembourg) is, so across the Rippach.
> >
> > I would really like to know how all boundaries are situated in
this
> > bedelu area. I can't figure it out from what I've seen on the
> ground.
> > Are there others that have ideas or even facts about this?
> >
> > Peter S.
> >
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