According to the Naval Intelligence Handbook for Luxemburg, Sept 1944, at
Vianden "the German frontier ceases to follow the left bank of the Our".
Which suggests a codominion on the river.
also, on the moselle, bartge teansport of gypsum and limestone had its costs
borne jointly, while care of the banks was the responsibility of each state.
More ambiguous, but with no specific mention of frontiers, apart from at
Vianden, it is possible the codominion existed before the war.
BW
>From: "Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>
>Reply-To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
>To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: delu condo
>Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 20:55:18 -0000
>
>I just had yet another look at Wolfgang's documents, and it is clear
>from those that:
>1. At the time of the fixing of the boundary, there _was_ no
>condominium. It is explicitly stated that the boundary is formed by
>the main channel of the boundary rivers, and that all islands therein
>are either Dutch or Prussian territory according to their position in
>relation to the main channel. The little sketches show this, too.
>Thus, the condo is of later date. A peculiar thing is, by the way,
>that 1:20k Luxembourgish maps do show the condo, but 1:25k German
>(topo!) maps I've seen draw the border in the middle of the river(s).
>2. The Emmerich protocols dealt with the boundary between Prussia and
>the part of the Netherlands which was the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg.
>Which means it didn't concern the boundary between Prussia and other
>parts of the Netherlands. But it probably _did_ concern the Rippach
>boundary, as it was the northernmost border of the G.D. of
>Luxembourg, and to the north was at that time Prussia (now it is
>Belgium).
>3. There were placed boundary markers: A) One per number when it was
>a land boundary (i.e. Vianden), B) Two when they were on both sides
>of the river, and C) Three at river mouths, where the tributary was
>also a boundary river: At the mouth of the Sauer, and at the mouth of
>the Our. But there are _also_ three markers at the mouth of the
>Rippach!!
>
>A question: when the condominium was formed (when was this, by the
>way?), did all the islands in the boundary rivers automatically
>belong to it? Or are they de or lu exclaves in condominial waters
>nowadays? In other words: are there dry parts in the condominium
>(apart from the small dam at Apach/Perl/Schengen, and the extended
>bridgeheads, like the one with the tourist info building at
>Keppeshausen, these things possibly being man-made and therefore more
>recent than these islands)?
>
>I still would very much welcome a detailed map of the bedelu "thing",
>like Wolfgang provided for the defrlu one (btw, I know I still owe
>you some pictures of that spot, but as they are slides, I'll first
>have to have them made into photographs, and than scan them. But I've
>not forgotten about them, you'll see them). My guts say it would be
>ridiculous that the Rippach would be a condominium, but for now all
>the evidence I've seen suggests otherwise. These three stones at
>bedelu are intriguing. They used to be "Abzielsteine" (Targeting
>stones?), but that is from the time there was no condo, and the
>boundary was spot in the middle of the two (and here three) stones.
>
>And finally: those stones have dilapidated a fair deal since the time
>the photographs I've seen now have been taken. Perhaps not the stones
>themselves, but the vegetation and dead wood at these places don't
>suggest the three states care a lot.
>
>Peter S.
>
>--- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "Michael Donner" <barbaria_longa@h...>
>wrote:
> > jesper
> > it is my guess that there are actually 2 delu condo areas
> > one running north from defrlu almost up to vianden
> > & the other running north from just above vianden to bedelu
> > & that both defrlu & bedelu are actually trilines not tripoints
> > m
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