Subject: Re: Enclave thesis
Date: Apr 12, 2002 @ 23:25
Author: acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
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--- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "lnadybal" <lnadybal@c...> wrote:
> Sorry...
>
> I was commenting on the phrase in the message I responded to which
> found curious, which was:
>
> " nice to have this reassembly of many basic clave ideas tho i
> couldnt quite see how the author figured the experience would be of
> value to the entire world".
>
> "Reassembly". Was that meant as a synonym for "rehash" - in the
face
> of the poster's apology if the posting contained old news?
>
> I guess I was trying to say it was immaterial that one couldn't
figure
> out why the author figured the experience would be of value to the
> whole world. But, if it feels good to imagine what it might be
like
> if the whole world though our mutual topics were central to the
> universe, well.... go for it!
>
> At the same time I was trying to prompt others to get interested in
> reporting a little more on the human side of exclaves in contrast
to
> "reassemblies" of classifications, geopolicitial peculiarities and
> border descriptions. I wasn't soliciting (or wasn't trying to
> solicit) free reading material or tell the world what I liked.
I'll
> consider taking umbrage that you thought that. I was only trying
to
> broaden this board by distributing an idea for a topic or range of
> topics that would lend more depth to the variety of subject matter
> undelying the basic purpose of this message board.
>
> That's all.
>
> LN
>
>
>
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "acroorca2002" <orc@o...> wrote:
> > well it is nice to hear what you wish & enjoy len
> >
> > yet being of value to the entire world wasnt immaterial to the
> author
> > who expressly wished & claimed it for his thesis
> > & it is perhaps the best idea in the paper
> > so i was following that part with the greatest interest
> > for it certainly feels good to imagine that anyone or anything
could
> > be of value to the entire world
> > & indeed to wish that for oneself & ones action
> > so if anyone did understand better what the author meant in this
> > regard i would still like to rehear your idea of this thesis
> > which has frankly eluded me
> > thats all
> > whether it is immaterial for you or not
> > m
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "lnadybal" <lnadybal@c...> wrote:
> > > Greetings,
> > >
> > > Mr. Vinokurov's document made interesting reading. I think it
is
> > > useful for anyone in the world who needs a primer on how to
> catalog
> > > things. It is rich in upper level assessments, but like so
many
> > other
> > > writings on enclaves, it doesn't dealve into the "nitty-gritty"
of
> > > people's lives in them. For instance, if you live in an
exclave,
> > and
> > > have to call an ambulance, can it come from the adjacent
country?
> > Who
> > > pays the bill and how, in the case of medical insurance
carriers.
> > > Does an exclave resident need a work permit to work in the
> adjacent
> > > country? If Dutch tanks rolled in and occupied a farmfield in
> > Baarle
> > > that belonged to Belgium, would Belgium be allowed to violate
the
> > NL -
> > > B border to help it's exclave? I experienced two such
incidents,
> > one
> > > in Baarle - where a neighbor called the police to turn down the
> > volume
> > > of a crowd at a party a couple of doors away - the other house
was
> > in
> > > a foreign country - the police department that was called
couldn't
> > do
> > > anything once they arrived and found the house wasn't in their
> > > country. In Buesingen, I once tried to use US military gas
> coupons
> > at
> > > the Esso station - the coupons are good at any Esso and BP
station
> > in
> > > Germany - but not at the one in Busingen. Why? Because, gas
in
> > > Busingen is priced in Swiss currency, taxed at German rates in
the
> > > Swiss Franc equivalent, and the gas station's source of supply
is
> > > Swiss.
> > >
> > > Im not levying a criticism of Mr. Vinokurov's work by my
message,
> > just
> > > wishing someone would write up local stories like those from
> > exclaves
> > > they've visited - to get depth on the subject rather than high
> > level
> > > catgorizations of what exclaves are in ever varying
compilations
> of
> > > words that basically repeat the same subject matter.
> > >
> > > Mr. Vinokurov's work did expose a couple new situations I'll
have
> > fun
> > > getting into, and for that I am grateful he wrote his piece and
> > that
> > > someone here posted it. Whether it matters to the world at
large
> > is
> > > immaterial.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > LN
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "acroorca2002" <orc@o...> wrote:
> > > > nice to have this reassembly of many basic clave ideas tho i
> > couldnt
> > > > quite see how the author figured the experience would be of
> value
> > to
> > > > the entire world
> > > >
> > > > also i was interested to see that he cited catudal but
evidently
> > > > demurred from using the pene word when semi & quasi were
clearly
> > > > better
> > > >
> > > > m
> > > >
> > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "ps1966nl" <smaardijk@y...> wrote:
> > > > > It's new news to me.
> > > > >
> > > > > Of course, this is from the Albertina, i.e. Kaliningrad
State
> > > > > University. K'grad Russians are more than preoccupied with
> > their
> > > > > status. "Enclave" for them means being the poorest of all
> > Baltic
> > > > > states...
> > > > >
> > > > > Peter S.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@y..., Ernst Stavro Blofeld
> > <blofeld_es@y...>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Have y'all seen this?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://rationality.albertina.ru/arcs.phtml?arc=14
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My apologies if it is old news...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mats