Subject: Re: Armenian/Azeri enclaves<br/>
Date: May 18, 2001 @ 09:13<br/>
Author: Peter Smaardijk (&quot;Peter Smaardijk&quot; &lt;smaardijk@...&gt;)<br/>
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<div id="ygrps-yiv-285297620">Brilliant maps! Pity the maps don&#39;t always adjoin. And some things <br/>
fall off, for example half of the Armenian enclave Artsvashen. So the <br/>
Azeri enclaves in Armenia are called (from n. to s.) Upper Askipara, <br/>
Azatamut, and Tigranashen (with a village Kyarki in it). This last <br/>
one belongs to Nakhichevan.<br/>
<br/>
It is with the Nagornyy Karabakh maps the problems start. See my <br/>
message 2187:<br/>
<br/>
A I can find<br/>
B is nowhere to be found<br/>
C I can find<br/>
D is not one but two enclaves! (D1 and D2)<br/>
E is nowhere to be found<br/>
F I can find<br/>
And I think I can find a very tiny one (NK territory in Azerbaijan <br/>
proper) on the Khachinchay river (roughly in between Agdam and <br/>
Vanklu). (BTW, I am using my Soviet map here again, because my <br/>
Armenian is somewhat non-existent. This means these names are <br/>
transcribed from Russian, and possibly renamed altogether). You can <br/>
see it at the extreme lower edge of map section S. Is it an enclave <br/>
or a map makers mistake? Let&#39;s call it enclave G for the moment.<br/>
<br/>
Furthermore, there is some boundary anomaly on the northern edge of <br/>
NK (map section S). It looks like the boundary is double here! What <br/>
is the area in between, then?<br/>
<br/>
And finally, the occupied territory north of NK is on these maps <br/>
already incorporated into NK. It is the area around Shaumyanovsk. In <br/>
map section T this can be seen very well: the border is the one with <br/>
pink, but for some length it is a dash-dot line. This is the new one. <br/>
The old one had dashes with little transversal extensions at each end <br/>
of a dash (I hope I describe it in a way you understand it...). Some <br/>
stretch of old boundary, without the pink, can still be seen. <br/>
Needless to say that this new boundary isn&#39;t recognised (except, <br/>
perhaps, by Armenia), just as the NK republic itself isn&#39;t recognised <br/>
either.<br/>
<br/>
A nice feature is that you can clearly see the numbered boundary <br/>
markers on the old soviet border!<br/>
<br/>
Peter S.<br/>
<br/>
<blockquote><span title="qreply"> --- In BoundaryPoint@y..., rpalmber@a... wrote:<br/>
&gt; Addendum:<br/>
&gt; Last year&#39;s version is more easily accessible<br/>
&gt; <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.cilicia.com/armo5_brady.html">http://www.cilicia.com/armo5_brady.html</a><br/>
&gt; and the name is Kiesling, not Riesling (sorry!).<br/>
&gt; Rolf (again)<br/>
&gt; <br/>
&gt; <br/>
&gt; &gt;Hi everyone.<br/>
&gt; &gt;<br/>
&gt; &gt;Brady Riesling&#39;s site on Rediscoveing Armenia<br/>
&gt; &gt;(updated regularly)<br/>
&gt; &gt;<br/>
&gt; &gt;<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.arminco.com/embusa/brady.htm">http://www.arminco.com/embusa/brady.htm</a><br/>
&gt; &gt;<br/>
&gt; &gt;has nice large-scale maps & info on the Armenian/Azeri enclaves.<br/>
&gt; &gt;<br/>
&gt; &gt;Rolf<br/>
&gt; &gt;<br/>
&gt; &gt;<br/>
&gt; &gt;<br/>
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