brendan
please dont blame david or anyone for my persistent pursuit
i realize it may be offputting to some but i mean well
& am having a good time
& not at anyones expense
i know people have been living with approximations of these boundaries
& in a way folk boundaries may be more official than official ones
so in that sense the stake in the cornfield cant be improved upon
& i believe you when you say it is probably pretty accurate besides
especially as it felt & seemed fine to you
but still
since you also seem to be indicating that there are no intervisible
monuments available for chalk stringing or cross eyeballing the point
i would like to lay a very expensive gps receiver on that stake
& compare its experimentally determined position to your legally fixed coords
down to what was it hundredths or thousandths of a second
which frankly i missed the last time you gave them
because i didnt think they would be as necessary as i now realize they are
so perhaps you or someone can come up with them again
& in that way at least i will learn what part of the stake
which appears to be at least several inches square on top
this exceedingly rare & precious point is actually situated on
or perhaps the whole stake will prove to be a few inches off the mark
& i would just like to know & touch where the legal crossing point is
right down to the silly millimeter
just like that dimple on the schley taylor cross
which was 2 orders of magnitude less important
thats all
i realize you are coming from a different place than this
& i respect that too
m
>
>There are NO monuments for the enclaves, neither along the main border
>between posts 214 and 215.
>In 1843 the border commission gave up trying to sort out Baarle and relied
>on an earlier plot by plot determination of ownership that the mayor's had
>drawn up for tax purposes.
>IN 1974 the 2 countries finally decided enough was enough, and they defined
>the missing section of the main border, BUT SPECIFICALLY NOT THE ENCLAVES.
>They delimited the border that was missed out in 1843, which was that
>between posts 214 and 215 on either side of Baarle commune.
>The new delimitation follows ditches and small creeks and canals mainly, so
>didn't really need posts, and they specifically decided for cost and other
>reasons not to monument it.
>In 1995 they got around to delimiting the enclaves. For reasons of costs AND
>that the border goes through buildings (including one woodshed where it
>makes 3, count them, 3 near-rightangle turns), they did not monument it. But
>they did write up every turning point, all 959 of them, including the
>coordinates in both natrional grids down to the nearest cm.
>David has the 1:10k Dutch maps of the area, so I can't figure out how he
>couldn't work out the quad point given i posted both nation's coords for
>this point a few messages ago...
>So, they drew up the border exactly, but as for 150 years and more people
>had been living with approximations of it in their brains, and so had
>'ground rules' to deal with it, there was no need for exact monuments.
>Givemn the field that the quad is in the middle of has owners for the
>different parts, they need to know how far they can sow or reap. Hence
>someone stuck a pole in the ground to show where to harvest up to.
>It is probably pretty accurate. It seemed fine to me.
>
>Likewise the other border lines in the villag,e inside and ouside buildings,
>are probably pretty accurate, but are not official.
>
>Currently the councils are sticking down metal catseye-like discs in roads
>and pavements to show toursits the border. Agian, unofficial, but if they
>are going to market the place as having a weird border, they need to have a
>visible weird border to show. Thus the discs.
>
>I was also told there would be a model of the village erected outside the
>church (Belgian) with buttonsd to push which would elevate each enclave!
>Cool, huh!? This is meant to be ready in 2001. Likewise the road disks are
>geing put down as a programme of road resealing is completed, and it was
>only partial when i was there in Oct 2000.
>Should be completed 2001 i was told.
>
>B
>
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