who me

i might fall off

craning my neck anyway
m

>
>A picture is at <http://www.tourist-info-vianden.lu/promenade.JPG>
>http://www.tourist-info-vianden.lu/promenade.JPG .
>The tripoint no. 47 is just behind the head of the person in red
>(step aside, will you). A nice picture of the condominium, in other
>words.
>
>Peter S.
>
>--- In BoundaryPoint@y..., michael donner <m@d...> wrote:
>> thanxx to wolfgang & peter for again advancing this so nicely
>>
>> it is great to be part of a group effort
>>
>>
>> also here is a photo of the our area in between the condos
>> <http://www.engineering.uiowa.edu/~cfd/gallery/images/hyd24>
>>http://www.engineering.uiowa.edu/~cfd/gallery/images/hyd24
>> best i can tell
>> all luxembourg but with germany probably visible in the distance at
>right
>>
>> it was captioned reservoir & dam nearby vianden
>> so it is probably the bassin inferieure facing north toward
>dedelulun
>> aka delu monument 47
>> at a position i think you are calling the promontory
>> which is thus probably situated just around the river bend to the
>right
>> most likely at the foot of the hill that rises at upper right center
>> & therefore presumably within the frame but hidden behind the left
>bank here
>>
>> btw i have tried but still cant date this dam
>> tho a possible twin on the sauer dates from the 1960s
>>
>>
>>
>> but since i am still pdf blind
>> tho luckily not for much longer
>> as a newer computer has recently reached here
>> & will soon be installed
>> any further clues about any of these new pdf data would still be
>enormously
>> appreciated at this late date
>>
>> & i realize this is asking a lot as usual
>> so please excuse it
>> but while i am being such a beggar
>> how about a swatch of your map too peter
>>
>>
>> at all events
>> what i mainly still dont understand here
>> tho i agree you are wise to be happy in any case
>> is first why you are so lightly throwing your feudal guess out
>the window
>> & what you are discarding of it & with it
>> because i liked most if not all of it & what went with it
>>
>> & i also wonder what if anything your doing this has to do with
>whether the
>> condo arrangement predated the 1816 monumentation &or treaty
>> but again this is all probably owing to my working in the dark
>>
>> btw i understood this treaty was agreed in december of 1815
>> or are we talking about 2 different documents also
>>
>>
>> & finally
>> once we get the numbering straight
>> & regardless of whether the delu monuments might be paired
>anywhere
>> along the length of the condos
>> do you not agree with my guess that there will only be single
>monuments
>> marking both dedelulun & dedelulus
>>
>> that is to say
>> 19 & 47 or whatever you call them may be twinned or paired with
>mates on
>> the right bank as i believe you have indicated
>> but both the dedelulu twins here should turn out to be marked on
>their spots
>> by a single monument in each case
>> standing on the left bank only in each case
>>
>> i mean
>> the lines between them & any right bank mates are dedelu lines
>rather than
>> dedelulu lines
>>
>> but this may just be a matter of clarification rather than
>disagreement
>>
>> anyway
>> please do keep dishing what you can & will
>>
>> m
>>
>>
>> >
>> >Great stuff, Wolfgang. So, if I understand correctly, the Vianden
>> >land boundary is marked since 1816. It could have existed before
>that
>> >date, of course, but for now I'm happy to throw my feudal guess out
>> >of the window. Some other considerations here, then.
>> >
>> >Still, on my map, it is already at bdy. stone no. 19 the fun
>starts,
>> >whereas in your document you mention 26. On my map, no. 19 is at
>the
>> >river, nos. 20 and 21 at the road border crossing of the road
>> >Vianden - Roth an der Our, no. 24 is near something called "Les
>Trois
>> >Vierges", and nos. 25 to 31 are all around an area called
>Wëngerdelt.
>> >Is the numbering on my map wrong?
>> >
>> >No. 47 is a pair, I think, as can be seen on the map in your
>> >document. It is at the promontory. That one is the real tripoint, I
>> >think (dedelulu). The no. 47 on the right bank is "merely" a
>boundary
>> >mark on the delulu border, and of course the marker (together with
>> >its brother) as to where the condo starts again.
>> >
>> >Interesting is also the myriad of auxiliary border stones
>> >(Zwischengrenzsteine) in the bdy. stone no. 47 area.
>> >
>> >Another thing is that apart from 1816 and 1984, there is a 1930
>> >agreement as well, although that seems to be the formalisation of
>the
>> >situation already in existence. In 1984, something was changed.
>> >Something had to be changed anyway after the building of the dam
>> >which formed the lake.
>> >
>> >You are obviously in possession of a very interesting publication
>> >here, Wolfgang. Does it say anything at all on the origins of the
>> >Vianden border?
>> >
>> >Peter S.
>> >
>> >--- In BoundaryPoint@y..., Gartner Wolfgang <WGartner@k...> wrote:
>> >> hi, enclosed you will find some infos about boundary-stones on
>DE -
>> >LU
>> >> borderline.
>> >>
>> >> <<DELU.PDF>>
>> >>
>> >> Wolfgang Gärtner
>> >> c/o Carl Kliem GmbH
>> >> An der Hauptwache 7
>> >> D 60313 Frankfurt am Main
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>> >> Fax 49-69-92016312
>> >> Email mailto:wgartner@k...
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