Subject: more old stones
Date: Mar 10, 2001 @ 02:15
Author: michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
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>I don't remember the stone , but the traditional costumes, cattle exchange,
>and lots of gaudily dressed American tourists wth chewing gum and outrageous
>accents, marvelling at a country having 'history'. ;-)
>Brendan
>
>
>>From: michael donner <m@...>
>>Reply-To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
>>To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
>>Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bidasoa-Txingudi
>>Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 06:11:12 -0500
>>
>>well then
>>were they making a point about the age of the stone
>>
>>or the circumstances of its placement
>>
>>or what if anything else was said about the stone per se
>>
>>m
>>
>>
>>
>> >Aha! This tourist attraction was shown in the Pyrenees episode of
>> >"frontiers", the BBC programme.
>> >Brendan
>> >
>> >
>> >>From: Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>
>> >>Reply-To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
>> >>To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
>> >>Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bidasoa-Txingudi
>> >>Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 09:41:11 +0100
>> >>
>> >>michael donner wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > great
>> >> > thank you again
>> >> > & i will keep working on the treaty text link
>> >> >
>> >> > also
>> >> > neither my french nor eyesight are very good
>> >> > but are you talking about the same st martin stone as referred to in
>> >> > http://www.esj-lille.fr/atelier/explo/EPOQUE/NEP_06.HTM
>> >> >
>> >> > perhaps i only misconstrued the meaning of the date 1375 in relation
>>to
>> >>the
>> >> > stone depicted
>> >> > but i also cant recall any of eefs that look anything like this
>> >> >
>> >> > m
>> >>
>> >>Yes, they're talking about the same stone here, but I will check with
>>the
>> >>photograph I made and with
>> >>other sources, because there seems to be a difference between the stone
>>in
>> >>the picture on that site
>> >>and border stone 262. In the 1856 treaty it says about stone 262:
>> >>
>> >>"At 530 metres of the previous sign, on the pass and at one metre of St.
>> >>Martins stone which is 640
>> >>metres east of the summit of L»ch» and 1260 metres west of the Arlas
>>peak."
>> >>
>> >>The St. Martins stone is probably a very old one, but in 1856 they
>> >>obviously decided to put another
>> >>marker beside it.
>> >>
>> >>The treaty between the two valley was concluded in 1375. A payment of
>>three
>> >>cows is made to the
>> >>Roncal/Erronkari valley, for the right of the Bar»tounais to let their
>> >>cattle graze on Roncalese
>> >>territory. The payment is made each year on July 13th. In the article it
>> >>says that they have turned
>> >>it into a veritable touristical highlight, attracting some 3000
>>visitors.
>> >>
>> >>Now for the scan of that little map, I ask you to be a little more
>>patient
>> >>still, because of some
>> >>technical problems (I made the scan, but there's obviously something
>>wrong
>> >>with it, as my browser
>> >>crashes when I try to open it...). But it's coming, I promise you.
>> >>
>> >>Peter
>> >>
>> >
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