Subject: more old stones
Date: Mar 10, 2001 @ 02:15
Author: michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
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thanxxx brendan for all these & other recent essential data


so the austrian stones upon the benl line may date from as early as 1740 if
the supposed margaret turns out to be maria theresa
or perhaps as early as 1713 if the part about the lady doesnt actually
figure in the monumentation

or have i misunderstood somewhere

& i dont know why americans would want to act that way about these because
we have an original tri colonial stone from 1731 in walking distance of my
house


this one was found btw by brian
who also has some other data about international european boundary
monuments some decades older than it
but in storage at the corner corner
which i will try to come up with by rebrowsing for them if it cant be unlocked


looks like an entertaining chase shaping up in any case

m


>I don't remember the stone , but the traditional costumes, cattle exchange,
>and lots of gaudily dressed American tourists wth chewing gum and outrageous
>accents, marvelling at a country having 'history'. ;-)
>Brendan
>
>
>>From: michael donner <m@...>
>>Reply-To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
>>To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
>>Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bidasoa-Txingudi
>>Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 06:11:12 -0500
>>
>>well then
>>were they making a point about the age of the stone
>>
>>or the circumstances of its placement
>>
>>or what if anything else was said about the stone per se
>>
>>m
>>
>>
>>
>> >Aha! This tourist attraction was shown in the Pyrenees episode of
>> >"frontiers", the BBC programme.
>> >Brendan
>> >
>> >
>> >>From: Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>
>> >>Reply-To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
>> >>To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
>> >>Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bidasoa-Txingudi
>> >>Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 09:41:11 +0100
>> >>
>> >>michael donner wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > great
>> >> > thank you again
>> >> > & i will keep working on the treaty text link
>> >> >
>> >> > also
>> >> > neither my french nor eyesight are very good
>> >> > but are you talking about the same st martin stone as referred to in
>> >> > http://www.esj-lille.fr/atelier/explo/EPOQUE/NEP_06.HTM
>> >> >
>> >> > perhaps i only misconstrued the meaning of the date 1375 in relation
>>to
>> >>the
>> >> > stone depicted
>> >> > but i also cant recall any of eefs that look anything like this
>> >> >
>> >> > m
>> >>
>> >>Yes, they're talking about the same stone here, but I will check with
>>the
>> >>photograph I made and with
>> >>other sources, because there seems to be a difference between the stone
>>in
>> >>the picture on that site
>> >>and border stone 262. In the 1856 treaty it says about stone 262:
>> >>
>> >>"At 530 metres of the previous sign, on the pass and at one metre of St.
>> >>Martins stone which is 640
>> >>metres east of the summit of L»ch» and 1260 metres west of the Arlas
>>peak."
>> >>
>> >>The St. Martins stone is probably a very old one, but in 1856 they
>> >>obviously decided to put another
>> >>marker beside it.
>> >>
>> >>The treaty between the two valley was concluded in 1375. A payment of
>>three
>> >>cows is made to the
>> >>Roncal/Erronkari valley, for the right of the Bar»tounais to let their
>> >>cattle graze on Roncalese
>> >>territory. The payment is made each year on July 13th. In the article it
>> >>says that they have turned
>> >>it into a veritable touristical highlight, attracting some 3000
>>visitors.
>> >>
>> >>Now for the scan of that little map, I ask you to be a little more
>>patient
>> >>still, because of some
>> >>technical problems (I made the scan, but there's obviously something
>>wrong
>> >>with it, as my browser
>> >>crashes when I try to open it...). But it's coming, I promise you.
>> >>
>> >>Peter
>> >>
>> >
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