whoops
i just read some more fine print at this site
& it seems a subscription still costs 3 grand a year
with no absolute guarantee of completeness or correctness
& a computed tripoint error margin of up to 20nm
they do say they show all claims to the spratly islands etc tho
so that at least is a very encouraging indication
but perhaps the best plan is still to lay back on the eez tps for at least
a few more years until the data harden up & cheapen down
as it seems to me they must continue to do
still the present good news appears to be that
given enough money & energy & time
a complete & fairly accurate survey of all actual & hypothetical tps is
already becoming quite possible
m
>Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 12:27:35 -0500
>To: boundarypoint@egroups.com
>From: michael donner <m@...>
>Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Okino-tori Shima/Parece Vela
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>well peter at least yours was a relatively small bubble that burst here
>
>this incredible new site has me bouncing completely off the wall because
>it actually revives the 200 point trial balloon i originally floated way
>back in message 247 & then recently unfloated in message 1786 because i
>wrongly concluded that the data necessary to complete the try would be too
>expensive & elusive in my lifetime
>
>but the level of sheer detail that is promised in this site
>by the pakistan sample for example
>& by the ability of projecting hypothetical median lines with precision
>etc
>actually fulfills the wish i expressed in 247 & abandoned in 1786
>hahahahaha
>
>
>indeed from what they are already showing here
>it probably only remains to see whether their gis system can sort out the
>spratly islands & a few other notable messes
>& we will have our global register of actual & putative tripoints
> both the territorial ones & the eez ones
>complete & up to date
>
>m
>
>
>>>From: Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>>
>>
>>On the site of the world map ( <http://www.maritimeboundaries.com/>
>>http://www.maritimeboundaries.com/ ) some very enlightening documents
>>can be found. Especially the doc on median lines, and the various other
>>ones under 'Publications'.
>>
>>For example, I can now see that my previous hypothesis in msg. 1745 is a
>>false one. The bay will in
>>that case be closed off by the baseline (see the ESRI paper on
>><http://www.maritimeboundaries.com/> http://www.maritimeboundaries.com/ ,
>>fig. 2).
>>
>>Peter S.
>>
>>michael donner wrote:
>>
>>> good to see all these puffy balloons again
>>> especially that worldwide version in the next message
>>> & really cranking up for the first time on line now
>>> as it all looks like a page right out of prescott
>>> & it reminds me that there really are all those eez tps everywhere 3
>>> balloons meet
>>> & also that we still have uncounted dozens of them to look forward to
>>> perhaps after we exhaust the territorial tps
>>> & it most especially reminds that a revised description of the sovereign
>>> territory of everyones land is now overdue expressly to incorporate the
>>> previously overlooked seabed underlying all eezs
>>> or in other words everywhere to within 12nm of dry land
>>> except antarctica of course whose lands & waters are already everyones
>>> anyway
>>> if i am not mistaken
>>>
>>> also this map agrees pretty well with prescott plus your additions peter
>>> except he indicates a jpkr joint zone in the east china sea south of korea
>>> & west of kyushu
>>> which this map shows as entirely japanese eez
>>> & it could have tripointing implications
>>>
>>> noteworthy also is that the light blue hole entirely surrounded by japanese
>>> eezs of both colors is evidently entirely everyones land
>>> including the bed & bedding & the water & air columns
>>>
>>> but it is not an exclave as i previously thought
>>> nor are any of the other 17 of these holes i have called exclaves
>>> & which you can now see on the worldwide map
>>> forgive me mats
>>> since they are all connected to metro everyones land by everyones seabed
>>>
>>> indeed everyones land like everyone ourselves is now one
>>>
>>> or nearly so
>>> since there must be a few places like the black sea i think
>>> where it is cut off by a turkey or a similar situation
>>>
>>> again everyone please feel free to correct any mistakes in all this
>>> as it is only my best guess so far
>>>
>>> m
>>>
>>> >
>>> ><<http://www.vill.ogasawara.tokyo.jp/200kairi.htm>
>>>http://www.vill.ogasawara.tokyo.jp/200kairi.htm>
>>> ><http://www.vill.ogasawara.tokyo.jp/200kairi.htm>
>>>http://www.vill.ogasawara.tokyo.jp/200kairi.htm
>>> >
>>> >You don't have to know Japanese to see the implications of tiny rocks on
>>> >your EEZ. The only thing I
>>> >can read on this map is 200. Presumably the nautical miles. Okino-tori
>>> >Shima is in the green area at
>>> >the centre-bottom of the map, touching the central green and the dark blue
>>> >areas.
>>> >The site is about the Ogasawara or Bonin Islands. The green areas are
>>> >probably the EEZ around these
>>> >islands. The one on the right is around Marcus Isl.
>>> >
>>> >Note also that the Northern Territories a.k.a the Southern Kuriles are
>>> >incorporated in Japan on this
>>> >map. So are the Senkaku group, and the same probably goes for Tok-do
>>> >a.k.a. Liancourt. All of this
>>> >is disputed between Japan and other countries....
>>> >
>>> >Peter S.
>>> >
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