heres to lost sleep
& all dreams postponed
but it is also wonderful to be roused into seeing that time zones in the
usa at least have always been rather flakey things at best
constantly shifting about in response to a great variety of local needs
rather than strictly regional ones alone
while answering also to many different ideas of daylight savings
of metro area limits
etc
hence the common expressions fast time & slow time around all the margins
& also to be reminded that attention to time everywhere is generally
focussed on a presumed lack of it
which does not in fact exist
m
>
>I did know of one case, but then I thought of checking it in an atlas
>as well...
>
>It is not the first time here at BoundaryPoint that I ask something,
>and then find the answer myself afterwards after all.
>
>Still, nice to know it makes some of you smile. I just hope you don't
>lose any sleep over it.
>
>Peter S.
>
>--- In BoundaryPoint@y..., michael donner <m@d...> wrote:
>> hahahaha
>> first you amaze & delight us by saying you know of only one case
>> keeping us up half the night marvelling at your precious rarity
>>
>> then you amaze & delight us again by rattling off 7 more cases
>> keeping us up half the morning marvelling at your prodigious
>abundance
>> & proving that at boundarypoint at least
>> you c a n eat your cake & have it too
>>
>> m
>>
>> >
>> >In my US atlas (some promotional one, issued by an insurance
>company,
>> >but the small print say it is Rand McNally, 1997), I have found
>these
>> >cases where a time zone boundary cuts through a county:
>> >
>> >Alaska:
>> >I'm not sure about the division of Alaska (is it into counties?),
>but
>> >part of the Aleutian islands is in the Hawaii-Aleutian TZ. The rest
>> >is in the Alaska TZ.
>> >
>> >Florida:
>> >Gulf county (Central & Eastern)
>> >
>> >Idaho:
>> >Idaho county (Mountain & Pacific). It looks like the boundary is
>the
>> >Salmon river here.
>> >On my map, a small north-western part of Lemhi county is also in
>the
>> >Pacific TZ, but this could be either a bit of inaccuracy on the
>part
>> >of Rand McNally, or there is simply no one living in that part. Or
>> >both.
>> >
>> >Nebraska:
>> >Cherry county (Mountain & Central)
>> >
>> >North Dakota:
>> >McKenzie, Dunn, Morton, Sioux counties (Mountain & Central)
>> >For part of the boundary through McKenzie and Dunn counties, the
>> >Little Missouri river is used. Morton county is split to keep
>Mandan
>> >on the same time as Bismarck, or so it seems. In Sioux, it is the
>> >town of Fort Yates that somehow wanted to have the same time as the
>> >folks on the other side of the Missouri.
>> >
>> >Oregon:
>> >The only county not entirely in the Pacific TZ is Malheur county
>> >(Mountain TZ). But the southernmost part of it _is_ in the Pacific
>> >TZ! It is the part in which my atlas places the town of McDermitt
>(on
>> >the California border).
>> >
>> >South Dakota:
>> >Stanley and Jones counties (Mountain & Central)
>> >
>> >Texas:
>> >the only parts of Texas not in Central but Mountain TZ are El Paso
>> >and Hudspeth counties entirely, and the part of Culberson county
>Pine
>> >Springs is in. So this last county is split, time-wise.
>> >
>> >How are these time zone boundaries signposted in the US? "You are
>now
>> >entering the Eastern Time Zone"? Not unlike Berlin... ;-)
>> >
>> >Peter S.
>> >
>> >--- In BoundaryPoint@y..., michael donner <m@d...> wrote:
>> >> nice hole in reality peter
>> >> which i chanced to visit recently
>> >> while en route from alflga to shore dinner in apalachicola
>> >> but unwittingly since i am normally oblivious of time
>> >>
>> >> several different versions of truth are alleged
>> >>
>> >> besides brendans mcnallys
>> >> <<http://www.fla-usa.com/counties/Gulf_county.html>
>>http://www.fla-usa.com/counties/Gulf_county.html>
>> >><http://www.fla-usa.com/counties/Gulf_county.html>
>>http://www.fla-usa.com/counties/Gulf_county.html dated 1999
>> >> shows the time boundary leaving within central zone most of the
>> >community
>> >> of overstreet as well as the unlabelled area to its east possibly
>> >named
>> >> dalkeith
>> >> but leaving white city & beacon hill entirely within eastern time
>> >>
>> >> & my 1996 aaa road atlas also leaves white city & beacon hill
>> >entirely eastern
>> >> & dalkeith mostly eastern but differently so & overstreet
>entirely
>> >central
>> >>
>> >> & my 1980 gousha road atlas shows beacon hill & white city mostly
>> >in central
>> >> & overstreet & dalkeith entirely in central
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> so until we find some official definition of the boundary
>> >> which actually doesnt seem very intent on cleaving to highways
>386
>> >or 71
>> >> & which doesnt seem to have any incorporated towns here to hug
>> >either
>> >> it is looking like pure guesswork & happenchance
>> >>
>> >> but to try to answer your most interesting & middle question
>anyway
>> >> none of these places has more than 1 zip code assigned to it
>> >> & in fact they may all share post offices with single numbers
>> >> since several come up empty
>> >> so i think zippable time zoning probably isnt ready for this area
>> >yet
>> >> but fantastic idea anyway
>> >>
>> >> maybe oz is ready for zip primed time tho
>> >>
>> >> m
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >according to my recent )undated) rand mcnally atlas, the time
>zone
>> >boundary
>> >> >follows Apalachicola R from Lake seminole to the head of an
>inlet
>> >N of Bay
>> >> >city. The Franklin scounty line detours to the west of this a
>> >little south
>> >> >of sumatra. As the county is mainly swamp as shown in the
>atlas, i
>> >guess the
>> >> >line was drawn way before White City and the 71 were formed? The
>> >zone line
>> >> >goes through White City it seems to me.
>> >> >
>> >> >In Australia, Broken hill is on SA time, not NSW time.
>> >> >Tweed Heads, the southern end of the gold coast is in NSW which
>> >has summer
>> >> >time while none of Qld does, so in summer, this creates some
>> >hiccoughs for
>> >> >getting kids to school, going to work etc.
>> >> >Apart from Broken Hill, the zones follow state lines.
>> >> >BW
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >>From: "Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@y...>
>> >> >>Reply-To: BoundaryPoint@y...
>> >> >>To: BoundaryPoint@y...
>> >> >>Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Time zone boundaries
>> >> >>Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 20:15:09 -0000
>> >> >>
>> >> >>In my old job, I was once asked if it is possible in the United
>> >> >>States to say in which time zone an address is located from the
>> >state
>> >> >>or county it is in. Normally, this is possible, since time zone
>> >> >>boundaries normally coincide with state boundaries, and when
>not,
>> >> >>then with county boundaries. I know of one case, however, where
>> >the
>> >> >>time zone boundary runs straight through a county: Gulf county
>in
>> >> >>Florida (and we all know Florida is in two time zones since the
>> >> >>presidential elections, don't we). My question is: how is this
>> >> >>boundary defined? Is there some quarternary (sub-county)
>boundary
>> >> >>that is used as time zone boundary here? Can you tell, for
>> >example,
>> >> >>the time zone from the ZIP code of an address?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>I read somewhere that for election purposes only, as the
>opening
>> >and
>> >> >>closing time of the ballot boxes has to be the same throughout
>a
>> >> >>county (at least in Florida, that is), Gulf county uses the
>same
>> >time
>> >> >>throughout the county. So in one part the voting starts at 6
>a.m.,
>> >> >>and in the other part at 7 a.m.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>The splitting up, time-wise, of Gulf co., has to do with the
>> >railway
>> >> >>that runs through it (if I recall correctly). After all, the
>whole
>> >> >>implementation of the time zone system was really initiated by
>the
>> >> >>railways in the 19th century.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Are there any other cases like this in the US? Or in other
>> >countries?
>> >> >>There must be.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Peter S.
>> >
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