Subject: a tangent about americas forgotten exclaves<br/>
Date: Aug 21, 2000 @ 18:10<br/>
Author: michael donner (michael donner &lt;m@...&gt;)<br/>
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<div id="ygrps-yiv-205401516">thanxx to information provided by boundarypoint member arif samad &<br/>
<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=40.6973&lon=-74.041&s=50&size=s">http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=40.6973&lon=-74.041&s=50&size=s</a><br/>
it is now possible to glimpse online a pair of smaller yet still great new<br/>
york classmates of the kentucky bend exclave observed by david in message<br/>
216<br/>
<br/>
the statue of liberty monument & historic immigration hub have made liberty<br/>
& ellis islands famous as outlying islands of the state & county & city of<br/>
new york<br/>
<br/>
but they are actually situated quite far from the rest of new york & indeed<br/>
lie just off the new jersey shore of the broad hudson estuary<br/>
<br/>
the map  while for some reason not actually depicting them as exclaves<br/>
does at least make it clear from the position of the njny interstate<br/>
boundary that both islands lie within the territorial waters of new jersey<br/>
<br/>
being thus embedded within nj qualifies these exclaves as true enclaves as well<br/>
<br/>
& they are it seems the only such entirely reciprocal discontinuities of<br/>
the united states<br/>
<br/>
in this regard they are unlike the kentucky bend exclave<br/>
which is not an enclave because not surrounded by any other single state<br/>
as you can also see on the detail map at<br/>
<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat+36.5058&lon=-89.4344&s=200&size=s">http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat+36.5058&lon=-89.4344&s=200&size=s</a><br/>
<br/>
<br/>
still it is noteworthy that the separation of kentucky bend from the rest<br/>
of kentucky is what gave rise to the 2 extra tristate points there<br/>
  which that exclave appears to rest upon or between<br/>
unlike liberty or ellis island  which have & need no tripoints to sustain them<br/>
<br/>
& it is possible to see in these 2 distinct types of fully surrounded<br/>
exclaves the general rule for such areas<br/>
namely that the fully reciprocal or enclavic type of exclave does not<br/>
produce any tripoints<br/>
while the nonreciprocal or nonenclavic type normally produces an extra pair<br/>
of tripoints<br/>
<br/>
also notably<br/>
it was almost precisely between these 2 extra kentucky bend or lower kymotn<br/>
tripoints  & thus all around the exclave itself  that the mississippi river<br/>
was reported to have run backwards during the great new madrid earthquakes<br/>
of 1811<br/>
<br/>
so it really is difficult to say which member of the grand american exclave<br/>
triad is the most illustrious<br/>
whether forgotten or not</div>