Subject: Re: Jerusalem
Date: Mar 15, 2005 @ 21:58
Author: Martin Pratt ("Martin Pratt" <m.a.pratt@...>)
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> What kind of access is there to these Noman's lands?

Despite significant physical changes to the urban landscape of
Jerusalem since 1967, it's still possible to follow the routes of the
two pre-67 front lines in the city - and explore the area between them
- on foot for most of their course. There are generally no greater
restrictions on movement in Jerusalem than in any other city, but it
is important to remember that local people may rather more wary of
strangers 'snooping around' than in other places. There's actually
very little evidence of the lines on the ground today apart from a few
fragments of wall and some fence posts. However, if you can get hold
of a copy of Norman Gosenfeld's PhD thesis 'The Spatial Division of
Jerusalem, 1948-1967', you could have quite a lot of fun trying to
figure out what happened where during the armistice period. And at the
end of a long day, the Borderline restaurant in East Jerusalem is a
perfect place to unwind!

Access to the old Armistice Demarcation Lines outside Jerusalem is
much more problematic, and I wouldn't recommend even thinking about
trying to visit them at the moment unless you can find a knowledgable
local guide who is aware of the risks involved.

m a r t i n


> http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/we.html
>
> Jesper

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: L. A. Nadybal
> To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 2:46 AM
> Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Jerusalem
>
> Super details. Narrows down the Soviet map extremely well.
> Thanks
> LN
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Pratt" <m.a.pratt@d...>
> wrote:
> > The lines on the Soviet map at
> > http://sunsite.berkeley.edu:8085/israel/50k/08-36-011-3.jpg
represent
> > the limits of Israeli and Jordanian territorial control under the
> > General Armistice Agreement (GAA) of April 1949; these lines were
> > described as Armistice Demarcation Lines (ADLs). A couple of
weeks after
> > the GAA was signed, the military commanders of the Israeli and
Jordanian
> > armies proposed closing the gap between the two lines in and around
> > Jerusalem and establishing a single ADL. The proposal was
implemented to
> > the northwest and southwest of Jerusalem, but the King of Jordan
refused
> > to authorise the establishment of a single line through Jerusalem
> > itself.
> >
> > So the Soviet map shows the ADLs only as they existed between 3
and 25
> > April 1949, except between northings 15 and 22 (approx) where the
> > original double GAA lines plus no-man's land remained in place until
> > June 1967. Israel subsequently annexed East Jerusalem and the
ADLs are
> > virtually (but not completely) invisible on the ground today.
However,
> > while they may be relict boundaries de facto, they still of
considerable
> > significance de jure, most notably in the context of UN Security
Council
> > Resolution 242 - which many commentators believe makes Israel's
> > occupation of any territory it did not hold before 4 June 1967
illegal
> > under international law.
> >
> > For an indication of where the ADLs were located following the April
> > 1949 revision discussed above, see http://tinyurl.com/5nbzq.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > m a r t i n