Subject: Re: daily caus line
Date: Nov 10, 2003 @ 12:58
Author: Michael Kaufman ("Michael Kaufman" <mikekaufman79@...>)
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--- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, michael donner <m@d...> wrote:
> in view of the lingering uncertainties about the status of many
canadian
> american tripoints some comprehensive reassessment of them is long
overdue
>
> & yet such a try will surely also be premature in relation to the
> additional new information that is imminently expected
>
> but ongoing revision is likely to be necessary for a long time to
come anyway
> so no harm & hopefully some benefit in the following full
inspection tour
> which already contains many new observations & surprises since
yesterday
>
> i confess i have been trying to ignore this topic & have kept my
head in
> the sand about it for as long as possible because it has been very
> inconvenient & i know some parts of it or even all of it is not
> particularly palatable to several of us but it already seems like
the cat
> is out of the bag with nothing for us to do about it but face up to
> whatever we find the truth to be here
>
>
>
> international trisubdivisional points of the united states & canada
> progressing generally westward from atlantic to pacific & northward
to arctic
>
> confirmed
> 01 cameus canada maine united states
> at 3 mile limit in grand manan channel
> approx 1 mi se of 44n7958 x 66w9428
> no known visits
>
> confirmed
> 02 camenb
> or camenbs canada maine new brunswick south
> at navigational & tidal head of st croix river
> between calais me & st stephen nb
> formerly named crmenb
> in midstream at tip of white water
> class c visit recorded
>
> doubtful
> 0a camenbn canada maine new brunswick north
> at n terminus of menb survey line
> where it meets r bank of st john river at mlw
> between grand falls nb & hamlin me
> & very near ne corner of me
> grand falls just below probably disqualify it
> by ruling out federal waters
>
> probable
> 03 menbqc maine new brunswick quebec
> in beau lake of st francis river
> where nbqc survey line meets caus survey line
> falls below probably do qualify it
> by ruling out federal waters
> class c or b visit recorded
>
> excluded
> 00 canbqc canada new brunswick quebec
> not intl but possibly a 33rd internal canadian
> at w terminus of nbqc survey line
> where it meets l bank of beau lake
> falls below probably disqualify it tho
> by ruling out federal waters
> class c or b visit attributed
>
> doubtful
> 0b cameqc canada maine quebec
> at ne terminus of meqc survey line
> where it meets r bank of st francis river
> falls below probably disqualify it tho
> by ruling out federal waters
>
> confirmed
> 04 menhqc maine new hampshire quebec
> dry
> class a visit recorded
>
> confirmed
> 05 nhqcvt new hampshire quebec vermont
> in halls stream unnavigable
> class b visit recorded
>
> probable
> 06 caqcvt canada quebec vermont
> at w terminus of qcvt survey line
> where it meets r bank of richelieu river
> nw of alburg vt
> navigation extended by the chambly canal
> class d visit known
>
> probable
> 07 canyvt canada new york vermont
> where caus survey line meets nyvt boundary end
> in middle of lake champlain of richelieu river
> navigation extended by the chambly canal
> class d visit recorded
>
> probable
> 08 canyqce canada new york quebec east
> at e terminus of nyqc survey line
> where it meets l bank of richelieu river
> ne of rouses point ny
> navigation extended by the chambly canal
> class d visit known
>
> probable
> 09 canyqcw canada new york quebec west
> at w terminus of nyqc survey line
> where it meets r bank of st lawrence river
> at akwesasne mohawk capital st regis qc
> class c visit recorded
>
> excluded
> 00 nyonqc new york ontario quebec
> once thought to exist in mid st lawrence
> probably precluded by federal waters
>
> excluded
> 00 canyone canada new york quebec east
> precluded by federal waters
>
> probable
> 10 canyonn canada new york ontario north
> at r bank of mouth of niagara river
> unnavigable from falls to mouth
> unexpected location
> class d visit known
>
> uncertain
> 11 canyons canada new york ontario south
> at r bank of head of niagara river
> or its end of navigation above falls
> unexpected & uncertain location
> no known visits
>
> probable
> 12 canypa canada new york pennsylvania
> in east central lake erie
> formerly construed as nyonpa
> no known visits
>
> probable
> 13 caohpa canada ohio pennsylvania
> near middle of lake erie
> formerly construed as ohonpa
> no known visits
>
> probable
> 14 camioh canada michigan ohio
> in western lake erie
> formerly construed as miohon
> no known visits
>
> probable
> 15 camimn canada michigan minnesota
> in western lake superior
> formerly construed as mimnon
> no known visits
>
> excluded
> 00 mbmnon manitoba minnesota ontario
> once thought to exist at mnn
> very probably precluded by federal waters
> & effectively replaced by 16 cambmne
>
> excluded
> but
> definite
> 00 cambon canada manitoba ontario
> at head of navigation in northwest inlet creek
> very probable 33rd or 34th internal canadian tripoint
>
> probable
> 16 cambmne canada manitoba minnesota east
> at n terminus of meridional mbmn survey line
> where it meets r bank of northwest inlet creek
> no known visits
>
> probable
> 17 cambmnw canada manitoba minnesota west
> at w terminus of parallel mbmn survey line
> where it meets r bank of red river
> presuming navigability
> no known visits
>
> probable
> 18 camnnd canada minnesota north dakota
> where mnnd boundary meets caus boundary
> presuming navigability
> formerly construed mbmnnd
> no known visits
>
> probable
> 19 cambnd canada manitoba north dakota
> at e terminus of mbnd survey line
> where it meets l bank of red river
> presuming navigability
> no known visits
>
> confirmed
> 20 mbndsk manitoba north dakota saskatchewan
> dry
> probably visited & photographed
>
> confirmed
> 21 mtndsk montana north dakota saskatchewan
> dry
> probably visited & photographed
>
> confirmed
> 22 abmtsk alberta montana saskatchewan
> dry
> probably visited & photographed
>
> confirmed
> 23 abbcmt alberta british columbia montana
> dry & remote
> possibly visited & photographed
>
> confirmed
> 24 bcidmt british columbia idaho montana
> dry
> probably visited & photographed
>
> confirmed
> 25 bcidwa british columbia idaho washington
> dry
> probably visited & photographed
>
> doubtful
> 00 bccawae british columbia canada washington east &
> 00 bccawaw west
> 00 &or any similar possibilities
> if a river like the columbia is navigable at caus
>
> confirmed
> 26 bccawae british columbia canada washington east
> at easternmost coastal transit of bcwa survey line
> between white rock bc & blaine wa
> no known recorded visits
>
> probable
> 27 causwa1 canada united states washington easternmost
> at 3 mile limit west of blaine wa
> no known visits
>
> probable
> 28 causwa2 canada united states washington second
> at 3 mile limit east of point roberts
> no known visits
>
> confirmed
> 29 bccawam british columbia canada washington middle
> at median coastal transit of bcwa survey line
> at east side of point roberts
> no known recorded visits
>
> confirmed
> 30 bccawaw british columbia canada washington west
> at westernmost coastal transit of bcwa survey line
> at west side of point roberts
> no known recorded visits
>
> probable
> 31 causwa3 canada united states washington third
> at 3 mile limit west of point roberts
> no known visits
>
> probable
> 32 causwa4 canada united states washington fourth
> at 3 mile limit nw of patos island
> no known visits
>
> probable
> 33 causwa5 canada united states washington fifth
> at 3 mile limit nw of waldron island
> no known visits
>
> probable
> 34 causwa6 canada united states washington sixth
> at 3 mile limit ne of stuart island
> no known visits
>
> probable
> 35 causwa7 canada united states washington seventh
> at 3 mile limit sw of pike pt on san juan island
> no known visits
>
> disputed
> 36 akcaus1 alaska canada united states first
> at 3 mile limit sw of cape muzon on dali island
> only if canadian claim is sustained
>
> disputed
> 37 akcaus2 alaska canada united states second
> at 3 mile limit east of cape muzon on dali island
> only if canadian claim is sustained
>
> disputed
> 38 akcaus3 alaska canada united states third
> at 3 mile limit sw of cape chacon on prince of wales
island
> only if canadian claim is sustained
>
> disputed
> 39 akcaus4 alaska canada united states fourth
> at 3 mile limit se of cape chacon on prince of wales
island
> only if canadian claim is sustained
>
> disputed
> but
> probable
> 40 akcaus5 alaska canada united states fifth
> at 3 mile limit sw of the lord islands
> exact position depending on which claim is sustained
> note
> to complicate things even further in this vicinity
> there are 2 water areas claimed neither by canada nor the united
states
> yet situated partly or entirely within 3nm of alaska
> so additional strange tripoints could result
>
> disputed &
> unlikely
> 00 akcaus6 alaska canada united states sixth
> 00 akcaus7 seventh
> at 3 mile limit se of lord islands
> only if american claim is sustained & 3nm limit is
reached
> both of which contingencies are in doubt
>
> disputed
> 00 akcaus8 alaska canada united states eighth
> at 3 mile limit sw of garnet pt on kanagunut island
> only if american claim is sustained
>
> disputed
> 00 akcaus9 alaska canada united states ninth
> at 3 mile limit se of garnet pt on kanagunut island
> only if american claim is sustained
>
> note
> while 40akcaus5 above seems inevitable whatever the outcome
> & similarly 46akcaus10 below
> regarding the other 8 numbered akcaus tripoints above
> generally either akcaus1&2&3&4 or akcaus6&7&8&9 will be sustained
> but of these perhaps only akcaus8&9 will ultimately survive
> producing a possible reduction of 2 points in the total count
>
>
> probable
> 41 akbccas alaska british columbia canada south
> near head of portland canal
> between hyder ak & stewart bc
> no known visits
>
> probable
> 42 akbccam alaska british columbia canada middle
> at left side of tarr inlet west of haines ak
> where glacier has receded admitting new coastal waters
> no known visits
>
> probable
> 43 akbccan alaska british columbia canada north
> at right side of tarr inlet west of haines ak
> where glacier has receded admitting new coastal waters
> no known visits
>
> confirmed
> 44 akbcyt alaska british columbia yukon territory
> at w terminus of bcyt survey line
> where it meets the caus boundary
> dry point on glacier
> no known visits
>
> doubtful
> 00 akcayts alaska canada yukon territory south &
> 00 akcaytn north
> 00 &or any similar possibilities
> if a river like the yukon is navigable at caus
>
> confirmed
> 45 akcayt alaska canada yukon territory
> at n terminus of akyt survey line
> where it meets beaufort sea
> just east of gordon ak
> no known visits
>
> confirmed
> 46 akcaus10 alaska canada united states ninth
> at 3 mile limit north or nne of gordon ak
> depending on which claim is sustained
> no known visits
>
>
> thus 46 now seems the most probable caus line total
> but it is still far from certain
> with probably 10 to 14 visits already accomplished
>
>
> at the same time 12 remains the most probable total of mexican
american
> international trisubdivisional points
> comprising the 8 literal tristate points normally cited
> plus 2 mexican federal beach points
> & 2 american federal waters points
>
>
> in addition this exercise has resulted in the unexpected discovery
of 1 or
> 2 new domestic canadian tripoints associated with & very near the
caus
> boundary
> a fact which may bring the total of this set up to 33 or 34
>
>
> thus updated nafta supertotals are
> ca 34 internal
> caus 46 international
> us 83 internal
> mxus 12 international
> mx internal
> maybe next but what a challenge that will be